IRC log for #maemo on 20090602

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`00:26.49`	`Noma`	`does anybody know if Despotify has been ported to maemo?`
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`00:29.03`	`Noma`	`apparently yes`
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`00:30.04`	`Zakkm`	`Noma: http://unntaket.net/gspotify/ <-- need premium though apparently`
`00:30.32`	`Noma`	`Yep, just found it myself also:)`
`00:31.48`	`Noma`	`if it works well, the premium account is not a problem - that amount of music "in my pocket" for 9,90e/month sounds good`
`00:32.06`	`Zakkm`	`you'd still need wifi though`
`00:32.16`	`Zakkm`	`your better off with vagalume for free? :P`
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`00:32.56`	`Noma`	`bluetooth+3g on phone:)`
`00:33.09`	`Noma`	`what's vagalume?:)`
`00:33.10`	`Zakkm`	`heh 3g is expensive`
`00:33.19`	`Zakkm`	`vagalume is a nice gtk player on the tablet.. uses last.fm`
`00:33.23`	`Zakkm`	`which is free`
`00:33.37`	`Noma`	`well, 10e/month for unlimited 3g ain't that expensive from my point of view :p`
`00:33.44`	`Noma`	`sounds interesting`
`00:33.53`	`Zakkm`	`wow`
`00:33.55`	`Zakkm`	`where do you live?`
`00:34.01`	`Zakkm`	`and that allows tethering to nokia?`
`00:34.10`	`Noma`	`Finland`
`00:34.24`	`Noma`	`yep`
`00:34.40`	`Zakkm`	`cool`
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`00:36.16`	`Noma`	`E71 and N810 work very well together anyway, N810 is always immediately connected to internet when in range with E71:)`
`00:36.41`	`Zakkm`	`wow`
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`00:42.07`	`hub`	`Noma: for 10EUR we get 1MB here`
`00:42.23`	`Zakkm`	`you get about 200mb with that here`
`00:42.32`	`Zakkm`	`10eur a month`
`00:42.40`	`Zakkm`	`and im in toronto, canada -.-`
`00:42.57`	`hub`	`Zakkm: that's what I meant`
`00:43.19`	`Zakkm`	`its ridicious`
`00:43.25`	`hub`	`it is monopoly`
`00:43.56`	`Zakkm`	`have a friend that pays like 70-80euro and he gets like 5gb`
`00:43.59`	`Noma`	`normal price for 384kbps speed with unlimited data is 9,90e/month in finland with every operator`
`00:44.15`	`Zakkm`	`i wonder if lcuk uses that :P`
`00:44.25`	`Noma`	`unlimited speed and unlimited data is like 30e/month`
`00:45.08`	`Noma`	`but i've managed to get over 1mbps speeds with that 384kbps also, their limiters are not working very well :p`
`00:46.53`	`hub`	`here it cost you $60 for a 6GB plan and that requires you to have "bought" the locked phone`
`00:47.42`	`hub`	`and because they are a monopoly there is no choice`
`00:47.47`	`Noma`	`how much do the not-mobile broadbands cost there?`
`00:48.17`	`hub`	`45$ for 4Mbit ADSL with caps`
`00:48.23`	`hub`	`from 60 to 200GB`
`00:48.30`	`hub`	`and very bad service`
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`00:48.38`	`Zakkm`	`hub: where are you living?`
`00:48.39`	`hub`	`(ADSL is controlled by another monopoly)`
`00:48.42`	`hub`	`Zakkm: in canada`
`00:48.47`	`Zakkm`	`where abouts?`
`00:48.56`	`hub`	`Zakkm: how does that matter?`
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`00:49.09`	`Zakkm`	`nunavut has very different internet than edmonton :P`
`00:49.16`	`hub`	`it is the same cross-country`
`00:49.20`	`Noma`	`I've got 30Mbit adsl with no caps and i pay 40e/month for that`
`00:49.25`	`Zakkm`	`:O`
`00:49.27`	`Zakkm`	`30mbit`
`00:49.32`	`Zakkm`	`30!`
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`00:49.42`	`Zakkm`	`i have 3mbit at home :)`
`00:49.47`	`Zakkm`	`with 60gb a monnth cap`
`00:49.50`	`hub`	`Zakkm: neither. I'd not live in Texas or in the frakkin' middle of nowhere`
`00:49.56`	`lcuk`	`Zakkm, i dont live in finland`
`00:49.58`	`hub`	`Zakkm: thanks to Bell`
`00:50.04`	`Zakkm`	`lcuk: where do you live?`
`00:50.08`	`lcuk`	`england`
`00:50.10`	`Zakkm`	`ohh`
`00:50.13`	`Zakkm`	`whos in finland then?`
`00:50.23`	`hub`	`even england has a better service than here`
`00:50.30`	`Zakkm`	`england has amazing service :)`
`00:50.34`	`hub`	`and they don't seem to be lucky with BT`
`00:50.45`	`lcuk`	`nokia.* employees (ok a few exceptions lol)`
`00:50.52`	`Zakkm`	`lcuk: you know if you switch your user agent to sfari, your suppose to get free wifi in the uk?`
`00:51.14`	`lcuk`	`not in my neighbourhood i wont`
`00:51.33`	`Zakkm`	`ah`
`00:51.38`	`Zakkm`	`its suppose to be highly over-the-air though`
`00:51.59`	`lcuk`	`yeah wifi has that property`
`00:54.15`	`Noma`	`a friend of mine has 100/100Mbit connection at home for just 25e/month`
`00:54.38`	`lcuk`	`i have 55mbit wifi at home for free`
`00:54.45`	`lcuk`	`connecting to the internet costs more tho`
`00:55.08`	`Noma`	`:)`
`00:55.24`	`Zakkm`	`55mbit!?`
`00:55.26`	`Zakkm`	`how you guys so lucky`
`00:55.31`	`Zakkm`	`i only have 3mbit`
`00:55.48`	`lcuk`	`i dont know how fast the internet connection is`
`00:56.02`	`lcuk`	`i think its 50`
`00:56.04`	`Noma`	`www.speedtest.net is good for finding that out`
`00:56.17`	`Zakkm`	`thats bad`
`00:56.53`	`luke-jr`	`Zakkm: that sucks`
`00:56.53`	`lcuk`	`anyway gnite`
`00:57.02`	`luke-jr`	`even in the USA, which has crap for broadband, we have 12mbit for $45/mo`
`00:57.21`	`Zakkm`	`well we only pay like $20 a month mind you`
`00:57.28`	`Zakkm`	`lcuk: 12quid? :P`
`00:57.57`	`Zakkm`	`but yeah its not so bad, it lets me download what i want`
`00:58.01`	`hub`	`luke-jr: canada is badly influenced by the southern neighbour`
`00:58.12`	`Zakkm`	`nooo ;p`
`00:58.15`	`Zakkm`	`theres no influence :D`
`00:58.19`	`luke-jr`	`Canada is simply a lost cause in general`
`00:58.33`	`Zakkm`	`luke-jr: what are you talking about, do you live here?`
`00:58.36`	`hub`	`Zakkm: there is, all the bad things`
`00:58.43`	`luke-jr`	`Zakkm: I wouldn't live there if you paid me`
`00:58.49`	`Zakkm`	`Canada???`
`00:58.52`	`luke-jr`	`as terrible as the USA is, Canada is worse`
`00:58.54`	`Zakkm`	`you'd rather live in the US?`
`00:58.55`	`hub`	`Zakkm: including the cons, the corporate monopolies. etc`
`00:59.07`	`Zakkm`	`i would never want to live in the US right now`
`00:59.10`	`hub`	`luke-jr: at least canada does not treat their visitors like criminals`
`00:59.22`	`hub`	`luke-jr: and at least try to take care of their people`
`00:59.29`	`Zakkm`	`the recession has destroyed the US`
`00:59.33`	`luke-jr`	`Canada will put people in jail for speaking out against perversion`
`00:59.37`	`Zakkm`	`all my US buddies are screwed right now looking for work`
`00:59.38`	`hub`	`Zakkm: like it didn't hurt here`
`00:59.50`	`hub`	`Zakkm: same here mind you`
`00:59.58`	`hub`	`Zakkm: unless you work for the govt`
`01:00.07`	`luke-jr`	`bbl`
`01:00.15`	`hub`	`luke-jr: ahah. and the US execute people`
`01:00.29`	`\|R`	`heh`
`01:00.33`	`luke-jr`	`hub: not nearly enough`
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`01:00.39`	`hub`	`that's fortunately something they didn't pick here`
`01:00.40`	`Zakkm`	`i have to goto philidephia in august, and i fear for my life when i go there`
`01:00.57`	`hub`	`Zakkm: why do you go then?`
`01:01.07`	`Zakkm`	`cause i have to visit someone`
`01:01.15`	`hub`	`"have to"?`
`01:01.20`	`Zakkm`	`hah`
`01:01.22`	`Zakkm`	`want to / have to..`
`01:01.35`	`hub`	`then don't complain if you made the choice`
`01:01.37`	`Noma`	`but both US and Canada have at least one priviledge compared to Finland - you don't have to watch NHL games in the middle of the night :p`
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`01:01.48`	`Zakkm`	`im making the choice, but it doesnt mean im not scared`
`01:01.52`	`Zakkm`	`?`
`01:01.57`	`Zakkm`	`i have never seen a NHL game in my entire life`
`01:02.02`	`hub`	`Noma: given the lenght of Finland's nights, it is not a reference`
`01:02.02`	`Zakkm`	`i dont even know how to play`
`01:02.03`	`\|R`	`lucky you`
`01:02.07`	`\|R`	`:)`
`01:02.15`	`\|R`	`I'm in Montreal, it's hard to escape hockey fever`
`01:02.20`	`Zakkm`	`:D`
`01:02.23`	`Zakkm`	`i was there in march :D`
`01:02.27`	`Zakkm`	`sweet 18th birthday hah`
`01:02.28`	`hub`	`Noma: and FWIW, it is usually night when they start`
`01:02.32`	`Zakkm`	`can legally drink there :p`
`01:02.37`	`Zakkm`	`went to some sick ass casino too`
`01:02.39`	`hub`	`\|R: it is gold season now for you`
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`01:02.47`	`Noma`	`hub: it's 4 am now here, and it's very bright outside :p`
`01:02.57`	`Zakkm`	`heh i love that :P`
`01:03.02`	`\|R`	`hub: Gold season? :)`
`01:03.06`	`Zakkm`	`i always wanted 24/7 of darkness :D`
`01:03.16`	`hub`	`\|R: oops, I meant GOLF`
`01:03.28`	`\|R`	`Zakkm: yeah, it's pretty funny to meet americans in bars at 18 killing their brain and brafing in the street Ã 20h`
`01:03.28`	`hub`	`\|R: what they do after being finished with hocker`
`01:03.31`	`\|R`	`s/Ã /at/ ;P`
`01:03.46`	`\|R`	`haha :)`
`01:03.50`	`Zakkm`	`yeah my two brothers took me, one of them knew the area well though, my other never been`
`01:04.00`	`Zakkm`	`im not american, im canadian :P`
`01:04.01`	`Zakkm`	`im in toronto`
`01:04.07`	`hub`	`Zakkm: see, you even pick up the "american way" of "drinking age"`
`01:04.09`	`Zakkm`	`american is a insult :P`
`01:04.14`	`\|R`	`Zakkm: it's 19 there right?`
`01:04.17`	`Zakkm`	`yeah`
`01:04.22`	`Zakkm`	`18 in quebec, 19 in ontario :D`
`01:04.25`	`\|R`	`hehe :)`
`01:04.25`	`hub`	`\|R: and they have to go to a beer store`
`01:04.34`	`hub`	`I just go to the gas station`
`01:04.37`	`Zakkm`	`yeah`
`01:04.42`	`hub`	`(when I have money)`
`01:04.45`	`Zakkm`	`heh`
`01:04.48`	`\|R`	`hub: in ontario?`
`01:04.49`	`Zakkm`	`i have friends and such :P`
`01:04.51`	`\|R`	`hehe, not in quebec :)`
`01:04.52`	`Zakkm`	`yeah`
`01:04.58`	`Zakkm`	`in ontario, its only 3 stores you can get beer ;p`
`01:04.59`	`hub`	`\|R: beer store, in ontario`
`01:05.00`	`\|R`	`but fuck do we pay taxes!`
`01:05.10`	`Zakkm`	`in montreal, you can get everywhereee`
`01:05.12`	`hub`	`\|R: if Quebec had to go through beer store, nobody would drink`
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`01:05.16`	`\|R`	`when i go to europe and you get 1.5L sangria bottle for 2E... here it's 20$`
`01:05.30`	`\|R`	`haha :)`
`01:05.35`	`Zakkm`	`heh`
`01:05.38`	`Zakkm`	`cheap alcohol`
`01:05.38`	`hub`	`\|R: don't get me started`
`01:05.48`	`Zakkm`	`usually a bottle here is like $1.20 ?`
`01:05.49`	`Noma`	`\|R: that depends on country:)`
`01:05.56`	`\|R`	`Noma: yeah i know :)`
`01:06.01`	`Zakkm`	`also have to think about money and such`
`01:06.06`	`Zakkm`	`wages, living expenses and such`
`01:06.35`	`\|R`	`i've got family in .fr and .cz and there it's quite cheap (as well in spain and germany i think)`
`01:06.50`	`Zakkm`	`dont drink that much to make it matter`
`01:07.21`	`Noma`	`we were once on a school trip to poland, and our one night bar budget was the same as average students one month income`
`01:07.29`	`Noma`	`in poland`
`01:07.46`	`Zakkm`	`heh expensive :P`
`01:07.52`	`\|R`	`Are you in Helsinki?`
`01:07.56`	`Noma`	`nope, in Tampere`
`01:08.10`	`\|R`	`Haven't been north yet in europe, next time... :)`
`01:08.13`	`Noma`	`Zakkm: a pint of beer costs like 0,4 euros there`
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`01:08.29`	`Noma`	`or at least it did four years ago`
`01:08.35`	`hub`	`Prague with cheap beer... mmmm`
`01:08.40`	`hub`	`that was awesome`
`01:08.41`	`\|R`	`yeah, 1$ per pint :)`
`01:08.46`	`hub`	`exactly`
`01:08.53`	`hub`	`had a team meeting there in 2007`
`01:09.09`	`\|R`	`I'm going 3 weeks this summer (among other places) and, yeah, woohoo! ;)`
`01:09.14`	`Noma`	`in Finland it's 2,5e at cheapest`
`01:09.35`	`\|R`	`in Montreal, for a pint, uhm... 5$ ?`
`01:09.50`	`\|R`	`(at best, usually more around 6)`
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`01:11.19`	`Zakkm`	`you guys saying bar or buying for home?`
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`01:11.39`	`\|R`	`bars`
`01:11.48`	`\|R`	`home is around 1-1.5$/bottle`
`01:11.59`	`\|R`	`unless you go extravaganza of course :)`
`01:12.00`	`Zakkm`	`;o`
`01:12.13`	`Zakkm`	`pint = big glass right?`
`01:12.17`	`\|R`	`0.5L`
`01:12.20`	`Zakkm`	`like theres bottle then pint?`
`01:12.25`	`\|R`	`bottle = 341 ml`
`01:12.26`	`Zakkm`	`sorry im new at this`
`01:12.29`	`Noma`	`for home it's about 1e/0,33l bottle in finland`
`01:12.32`	`Zakkm`	`ahh`
`01:12.36`	`Zakkm`	`maybe $2.99 here?`
`01:12.40`	`\|R`	`33cl for europeans :P`
`01:12.49`	`hub`	`\|R: 22$ for a 24`
`01:12.56`	`Zakkm`	`that just means ayou guys drink more eh?`
`01:12.58`	`\|R`	`(we have stupid units here, it's metric but based on deprecated imperial standards (/me ducks))`
`01:13.13`	`hub`	`\|R: that because of the americans`
`01:13.18`	`hub`	`\|R: they can'`
`01:13.25`	`\|R`	`yeah, or the english, depending how far you go back :)`
`01:13.29`	`hub`	`\|R: the can't re-learn it`
`01:13.41`	`Zakkm`	`so you guys drink alot?`
`01:13.49`	`\|R`	`when i can :P`
`01:13.54`	`\|R`	`hehe, it all depends ;)`
`01:14.02`	`hub`	`\|R: no. it is still somewhat mapped in the american units because of uniformisation of containers and products`
`01:14.14`	`\|R`	`hub: yep`
`01:14.15`	`hub`	`\|R: officially canada use A4 paper. but nobody sells it...`
`01:14.33`	`Zakkm`	`a4 = 8.5x11 ?`
`01:14.43`	`\|R`	`well, they use it for government paper in quebec i think and for legal papers (lawyers)`
`01:14.46`	`\|R`	`8.5x14`
`01:14.50`	`Zakkm`	`eww`
`01:14.51`	`\|R`	`but you can buy it anywhere`
`01:14.53`	`Zakkm`	`nobody uses that`
`01:15.03`	`\|R`	`FutureShop or BureauEnGros has them`
`01:15.04`	`Zakkm`	`8.5x11 = everythingg`
`01:15.09`	`Zakkm`	`you can get bigger of course`
`01:15.11`	`Zakkm`	`but you dont see it`
`01:15.12`	`\|R`	`it's the european standard`
`01:15.14`	`Noma`	`in finland a4 is everywhere`
`01:15.31`	`Noma`	`if you want any other size, you really have to search`
`01:15.32`	`\|R`	`which actually is a lot more intelligently conceived`
`01:15.36`	`Zakkm`	`like obviously if you go paper shopping you will see it.. but if someone hands you a flyer, or you get a sheet in school... its ALWAYS 8.5x11`
`01:15.38`	`\|R`	`A3 = 2 * A4`
`01:15.40`	`hub`	`no`
`01:15.40`	`hub`	`A4 = 210x297mm`
`01:15.40`	`hub`	`A3 is 420x297`
`01:15.40`	`hub`	`and so on`
`01:15.40`	`hub`	`A0 is one square meter`
`01:15.40`	`hub`	`with the same ratio in demensions`
`01:15.46`	`\|R`	`A2 = 2 * A3`
`01:15.47`	`\|R`	`etc`
`01:15.48`	`hub`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_216`
`01:16.00`	`hub`	`\|R: it is an ISO standard`
`01:16.06`	`Noma`	`1:sqrt(2) is the width/length ratio`
`01:16.12`	`Zakkm`	`yeahhh A4 = 8.5x11 pretty much`
`01:16.17`	`Noma`	`of the A4 -paper`
`01:16.21`	`hub`	`\|R: legal is not A4`
`01:16.24`	`Noma`	`and all that standard papers`
`01:16.26`	`hub`	`legal is a long letter`
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`01:16.34`	`hub`	`Zakkm: no.`
`01:16.42`	`hub`	`Zakkm: A4 is NOT the same size`
`01:16.51`	`Zakkm`	`says 8.3x11.7`
`01:16.59`	`Zakkm`	`thats the closet ;p`
`01:17.03`	`\|R`	`uhm oops`
`01:17.07`	`Noma`	`A4 is 210x297mm`
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`01:17.31`	`Noma`	`8.3x11.7 in inches`
`01:17.44`	`hub`	`Zakkm: closest does not mean the same`
`01:17.54`	`hub`	`Zakkm: try to feed that to your printer`
`01:17.59`	`hub`	`PC Load Letter`
`01:18.19`	`\|R`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:A_size_illustration2_with_letter_and_legal.svg`
`01:19.14`	`Firebird`	`:O what consumer grade printer accepts A0`
`01:19.56`	`\|R`	`big plotters i guess hehe`
`01:20.27`	`hub`	`Firebird: none. people use A4 :-)`
`01:20.34`	`hub`	`some support A3`
`01:20.43`	`Firebird`	`I'd love to do poster printing at home`
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`02:08.45`	`wsuetholz`	`Every so often the desktop disappears, is this a known issue with the current release?`
`02:08.55`	`Zakkm`	`release of what?`
`02:09.31`	`wsuetholz`	`Maemo OS2008`
`02:09.41`	`Zakkm`	`it disappears?`
`02:09.43`	`Zakkm`	`43-7?`
`02:10.34`	`wsuetholz`	`Yes the icons on the left disappear and the task switcher doesn't work`
`02:12.09`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`where does it go?`
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`02:12.41`	`wsuetholz`	`Think it's 43-7 if thats the latest from Nokia`
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`02:24.08`	`GeneralAntilles`	`wsuetholz, desktop crash.`
`02:24.20`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Either one of the applets you're using it is bringing it down or you're using a Bluetooth keyboard`
`02:26.13`	`Zakkm`	`GeneralAntilles: bluetooth keyboards kill it, wouldnt that defeat the purpose?`
`02:26.28`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Zakkm, only rarely upon reconnect.`
`02:26.40`	`Zakkm`	`thats terrible`
`02:26.48`	`Zakkm`	`and i was thinking of geting a bt one too`
`02:28.56`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Meh`
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`02:34.05`	`Zakkm`	`GeneralAntilles: i hatee n800 osk, well more than all other devices but i purely love physical keyboards and i need for school`
`02:34.58`	`hub`	`Zakkm: that's why I use a Thinkpad: the keyboard`
`02:39.54`	`luke-jr`	`I miss the Zaurus keyboard :<`
`02:40.18`	`hub`	`I have a N800 and I get furstrated everytime`
`02:40.39`	`hub`	`and no brownie point for whoever decided to surround the screen with a bezel`
`02:40.45`	`hub`	`bevel I mean`
`02:45.12`	`ljp`	`protects the screen from scratches`
`02:46.24`	`hub`	`and protect the fingers from touching the edges`
`02:46.26`	`hub`	`....`
`02:46.37`	`hub`	`making the finger keyboard unusable`
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`02:48.13`	`Firebird`	`isn't the small keyboard the stylus keyboard and not the finger keyboard?`
`02:48.29`	`Firebird`	`the fullscreen finger keyboard is totally usable with the bevel`
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`02:49.45`	`Zakkm`	`stylus keyboard sucks, finger is aweseome, but i cant use it for long`
`02:49.48`	`Zakkm`	`some strange OCD :P`
`02:52.49`	`hub`	`Firebird: it is not for me`
`02:53.01`	`hub`	`Firebird: but obviously you don't have my fingers`
`02:53.28`	`hub`	`also most of the action could be done with fingers`
`02:53.35`	`hub`	`including closing windows...`
`02:53.39`	`hub`	`if the bevel wasn't here`
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`03:54.41`	`hub`	`how do you guys type text with the laptop keyboard in the SDK Xephyr session...`
`03:55.03`	`hub`	`<RETURN> is eaten by the input method...`
`03:56.45`	`Macer`	`in vietnam they based victory on the body count ratio :)`
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`04:16.09`	`mib_6a047i`	`i want to devolop handwriting recognization.if i use c++,how should i do. is there anybody who can give me a tip?`
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`04:23.23`	`Zakkm`	`mib_6a047i: handwriting recognization is done on the tablet itself`
`04:23.41`	`Zakkm`	`what would the app exactly do?`
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`05:20.21`	`zakkm`	`:( i cant remember my maemo talk account password ;p`
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`05:38.51`	`LiraNuna`	`zakkm, try 123456`
`05:42.48`	`skibur`	`is ubuntu on the N800 fast?`
`05:43.46`	`mib_6a047i`	`zakkm,do you have handwritting recognization sample?`
`05:44.37`	`mib_6a047i`	`it only have vitural keyboard.`
`05:45.16`	`zakkm`	`LiraNuna: wow i havent seen you in awhile`
`05:45.33`	`hub`	`skibur: why would you want to run ubuntu on the N800`
`05:45.38`	`zakkm`	`mib_6a047i: you click on the arrow in right corner, and change to handwritten`
`05:45.48`	`LiraNuna`	`zakkm, yeah I'm rather busy lately`
`05:46.00`	`zakkm`	`hub: you will have full access to ubuntu repositories, rather than just maemo.. which is alot larger`
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`05:46.29`	`hub`	`zakkm: but you don't even have the space to install them`
`05:46.34`	`hub`	`zakkm: so no point`
`05:46.37`	`skibur`	`trying something different`
`05:46.48`	`skibur`	`I have diablo and Debian`
`05:46.49`	`zakkm`	`hub: of course you do?`
`05:47.07`	`zakkm`	`hub: n800 you can have like 64gb?`
`05:47.36`	`mib_6a047i`	`maybe i shoud have a look`
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`05:48.20`	`zakkm`	`mib_6a047i: when the virtual keyboard pops up, you can switch to handwritten`
`05:49.21`	`hub`	`zakkm: was that a question?`
`05:49.23`	`zakkm`	`skibur: deblet?`
`05:49.38`	`zakkm`	`yeah its a question by what do you mean by "you dont even have the space to install them" ?`
`05:49.53`	`skibur`	`easy deb`
`05:49.59`	`skibur`	`with Lxde`
`05:50.10`	`zakkm`	`heh thats quite slow method :p`
`05:50.46`	`zakkm`	`skibur: you could dualboot and have mer, and install lxde in mer ;p`
`05:51.12`	`skibur`	`mer?`
`05:51.18`	`zakkm`	`never heard of it?`
`05:51.21`	`skibur`	`nope`
`05:51.22`	`zakkm`	`~mer`
`05:51.23`	`infobot`	`[mer] http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer`
`05:51.28`	`zakkm`	`cool it worked`
`05:51.44`	`skibur`	`i have clone, imaged, on my tablet`
`05:51.45`	`LiraNuna`	`http://pastie.org/497505`
`05:51.46`	`skibur`	`ok`
`05:51.49`	`zakkm`	`its like this alternate distro to maemo . .unofficial`
`05:51.51`	`LiraNuna`	`anyone cares to read proof?`
`05:51.54`	`mib_6a047i`	`zakkm,thanks for your reply,but i don't see the arrow and switch to handwritting`
`05:52.02`	`skibur`	`thanks zakkm`
`05:52.04`	`zakkm`	`kk onesec mib ill get my tablet`
`05:52.07`	`skibur`	`checking...`
`05:52.39`	`mib_6a047i`	`do you have image about it?`
`05:52.57`	`zakkm`	`okay mib`
`05:53.02`	`zakkm`	`you have stylus keyboard up right?`
`05:53.16`	`zakkm`	`mib_6a047i: you have stylus keyboard up?`
`05:54.47`	`zakkm`	`mib_6a047i: at the bottom left is an arrow pointing at a book you click it - input method - handwritting`
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`05:55.43`	`mib_6a047i`	`do you mean there is an arrow on the vitural keyboard?`
`05:55.57`	`zakkm`	`yeah`
`05:55.59`	`zakkm`	`bottom left`
`05:56.06`	`zakkm`	`arrow going left and a piece of paper icon`
`05:56.25`	`zakkm`	`you click it, input method -handwirtting`
`05:56.55`	`mib_6a047i`	`i see it`
`05:57.52`	`LiraNuna`	`http://liranuna.com/junk/IMG_0692.JPG`
`05:58.57`	`zakkm`	`LiraNuna: is that echo? :P`
`05:58.57`	`zakkm`	`you leave it default?`
`05:59.22`	`mib_6a047i`	`thanks for your help`
`05:59.35`	`LiraNuna`	`zakkm, I like how it looks :(`
`05:59.48`	`zakkm`	`echo wide scrollbars or normal?`
`05:59.52`	`mib_6a047i`	`maybe i have more problems`
`06:00.08`	`LiraNuna`	`also, that's NOT _MY_ default`
`06:00.12`	`LiraNuna`	`I got the wimax edition`
`06:00.19`	`LiraNuna`	`it uses Ilona as default`
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`06:00.31`	`zakkm`	`llona?`
`06:00.45`	`LiraNuna`	`wimax's version`
`06:00.50`	`LiraNuna`	`same as echo but orange`
`06:00.51`	`qwerty12_N800`	`Eurgh. that red version of echo?`
`06:00.58`	`LiraNuna`	`orange`
`06:00.58`	`zakkm`	`never heard of it`
`06:01.02`	`LiraNuna`	`it's wimax only`
`06:01.07`	`zakkm`	`apparently not`
`06:01.12`	`zakkm`	`well its in repository`
`06:01.15`	`qwerty12_N800`	`Hmm, I remember iliona to be red`
`06:01.18`	`zakkm`	`hidden from application manager apparently`
`06:01.34`	`zakkm`	`been looking for a new theme`
`06:01.36`	`LiraNuna`	`it's orange.`
`06:01.47`	`zakkm`	`theres a new hildon-theme-borgh but i dont like it ;p`
`06:01.51`	`zakkm`	`its like the Lcars ones`
`06:02.22`	`zakkm`	`is therelike hidden ones , on like maemo garage or something`
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`06:03.04`	`zakkm`	`LiraNuna: sweet got it installed :D`
`06:03.37`	`LiraNuna`	`zakkm, Ilona?`
`06:03.41`	`zakkm`	`yeah`
`06:03.44`	`LiraNuna`	`ah`
`06:03.47`	`zakkm`	`its accessible from apt-get ;p`
`06:03.52`	`LiraNuna`	`hehe`
`06:03.58`	`zakkm`	`oh pfft`
`06:04.02`	`zakkm`	`its just orange instead of blue`
`06:04.22`	`LiraNuna`	`I said ...`
`06:04.25`	`LiraNuna`	`<LiraNuna> same as echo but orange`
`06:04.33`	`LiraNuna`	`also there's a new background image`
`06:04.49`	`zakkm`	`staying with tritanium i guess then`
`06:05.55`	`LiraNuna`	`pix?`
`06:06.15`	`zakkm`	`?`
`06:06.21`	`LiraNuna`	`any pictures?`
`06:06.26`	`qwerty12_N800`	`Nokia put out a valentine theme once.. probably where I got red from`
`06:06.30`	`zakkm`	`http://synthesize.us/images/1/12/Tritanium_home.png`
`06:06.48`	`zakkm`	`http://synthesize.us/images/4/49/Tritanium_file2.png`
`06:06.53`	`zakkm`	`LiraNuna: you never seen it?`
`06:07.03`	`LiraNuna`	`no, I got my N810WE for like, 3 weeks now`
`06:07.03`	`zakkm`	`qwerty12_N800: heh, how long you been using maemo?`
`06:07.23`	`zakkm`	`what did you have before that?`
`06:07.48`	`qwerty12_N800`	`about a year and some months, and I had a pocket pc before the N800 :)`
`06:08.00`	`luke-jr`	`LiraNuna: shoulda just got a N810 normal`
`06:08.08`	`LiraNuna`	`luke-jr, it was free`
`06:08.14`	`luke-jr`	`I don't see any chance of WE being supported`
`06:08.23`	`luke-jr`	`even N810 support is spotty`
`06:08.27`	`LiraNuna`	`yeah :(`
`06:08.31`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`is it?`
`06:08.33`	`LiraNuna`	`it was free, so oh well`
`06:08.33`	`skibur`	`nice`
`06:08.38`	`zakkm`	`howd you get it free?`
`06:08.40`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`what are the spots?`
`06:08.49`	`skibur`	`mer, how long does it take to install?`
`06:08.53`	`LiraNuna`	`zakkm, long story..`
`06:08.58`	`luke-jr`	`CutMeOwnThroat: keyboard and GPS right now`
`06:09.13`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`keyboard seems fine to me...`
`06:09.28`	`luke-jr`	`CutMeOwnThroat: you're using a Linux that isn't over 2 years old?`
`06:09.32`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`but I noticed no software to use the camera (except the phone-stuff) was installed`
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`06:10.00`	`zakkm`	`CutMeOwnThroat: you install camera.. from repostitories`
`06:10.11`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`but it's based on a distribution that's far > 10 years :)`
`06:10.34`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`zakkm, yeah, I did... those seemed prone to crashing, though`
`06:10.44`	`luke-jr`	`N810 keyboard doesn't work usably in 2.6.30`
`06:11.01`	`luke-jr`	`and nobody with the know-how to fix it has a N810 as far as I can tell`
`06:11.08`	`qwerty12_N800`	`CutMeOwnThroat: use liqbase - works awesome for the camera`
`06:11.30`	`zakkm`	`why'd lcuk make the camera tiled in liqbase?`
`06:11.36`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`luke-jr, the keyboard needs a special kernel-module?`
`06:11.47`	`luke-jr`	`CutMeOwnThroat: it has its own driver, yes`
`06:11.57`	`qwerty12_N800`	`zakkm: no idea but the picture isn't tiled`
`06:11.58`	`luke-jr`	`pretty ugly code, actually`
`06:11.59`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`qwerty12_N800, will have a look...`
`06:12.17`	`LiraNuna`	`anyone cares to proof read? http://pastie.org/497505`
`06:12.27`	`LiraNuna`	`I still need the scratchbox2 part :/`
`06:12.27`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`luke-jr, any reason to go away from the 2.6.21 kernel, though?`
`06:12.34`	`luke-jr`	`CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, plenty`
`06:12.36`	`zakkm`	`LiraNuna: i tried, link doesnt work though?`
`06:12.39`	`luke-jr`	`working wifi, sound, etc`
`06:12.42`	`LiraNuna`	`zakkm, which link?`
`06:12.45`	`luke-jr`	`and 2.6.21 is ANCIENT`
`06:12.52`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`eh!`
`06:12.53`	`zakkm`	`LiraNuna: pastie one`
`06:12.59`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`I still got a server that runs 2.4.X`
`06:13.00`	`LiraNuna`	`works here?`
`06:13.03`	`LiraNuna`	`just used it`
`06:13.06`	`zakkm`	`pastie itself doesnt work for me?`
`06:13.06`	`luke-jr`	`CutMeOwnThroat: that's insane`
`06:13.09`	`zakkm`	`could you pastebin it? :P`
`06:13.12`	`LiraNuna`	`uh sure`
`06:13.18`	`luke-jr`	`does 2.4.x even get security patches still?`
`06:13.20`	`zakkm`	`sorry, i swear its not loading`
`06:13.35`	`LiraNuna`	`http://pastebin.com/m5f2999e4 for those whore can't use pastie`
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`06:13.41`	`zakkm`	`here we go :D`
`06:14.14`	`LiraNuna`	`I'm currently following this guide and canadian cross compiling GCC for windows from Linux :D`
`06:14.28`	`zakkm`	`LiraNuna: development for maemo has stopped, except maemo 5... and mer doesnt use scratchbox`
`06:14.38`	`LiraNuna`	`(oh`
`06:14.42`	`LiraNuna`	`what does mer use?`
`06:14.48`	`LiraNuna`	`as in, how does development go?`
`06:14.49`	`zakkm`	`opensuse build service`
`06:14.54`	`LiraNuna`	`what about debug`
`06:14.55`	`luke-jr`	`LiraNuna: this is what I meant by no support :p`
`06:15.04`	`LiraNuna`	`luke-jr, I know :(`
`06:15.10`	`zakkm`	`no idea, but its scratchbox-free`
`06:15.25`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`dunno if it gets security updates... it's actually already updated but not rebooted`
`06:15.27`	`LiraNuna`	`if I can document it, I'd love to help being the SDK maintainer`
`06:15.57`	`qwerty12_N800`	`LiraNuna: I've done packages for Mer just using the X terminal`
`06:16.18`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`luke-jr, and what's the problem with gps - same?`
`06:16.25`	`qwerty12_N800`	`err.. the normal way of doing it`
`06:16.39`	`luke-jr`	`CutMeOwnThroat: no, much worse`
`06:16.49`	`luke-jr`	`CutMeOwnThroat: GPS has basically no real support at all`
`06:17.06`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`I mean ... same in the sense that the driver didn't get adapted to 2.6.30`
`06:17.07`	`luke-jr`	`Maemo used an ugly Maemo-specific blob`
`06:17.17`	`luke-jr`	`on the kernel side, GPS is a mere UART`
`06:18.15`	`luke-jr`	`oh`
`06:18.21`	`luke-jr`	`microphone doesn't seem to work in 2.6.30 either`
`06:18.33`	`luke-jr`	`but it didn't really work in 2.6.21 either`
`06:18.41`	`zakkm`	`luke-jr: how goes gentoo? :P`
`06:18.55`	`luke-jr`	`zakkm: kdelibs is being a jerk`
`06:19.18`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`ah, I remember`
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`06:19.31`	`zakkm`	`kdelibs.. that would take foreverr to compile`
`06:19.49`	`luke-jr`	`zakkm: when it fails inside qemu and runs out of memory linking on the tablet... yes`
`06:19.50`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`what was the problem with the micro in 2.6.21?`
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`06:20.00`	`luke-jr`	`CutMeOwnThroat: audio in 2.6.21 was just screwed in general`
`06:20.12`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`I only once tried to phone someone.. and yes, they had problems hearing me... but I thought it was just the wireless`
`06:20.15`	`luke-jr`	`no idea how Maemo used it, it doesn't work with normal ALSA`
`06:20.35`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`don't think I ever used the micro at any other time`
`06:20.37`	`zakkm`	`luke-jr: you should check maemo sdk ;p`
`06:20.44`	`luke-jr`	`why`
`06:20.48`	`zakkm`	`CutMeOwnThroat: the mic on it is perfect, ive found`
`06:20.56`	`zakkm`	`n800 here`
`06:21.03`	`luke-jr`	`zakkm: N800 has a different mic`
`06:21.08`	`luke-jr`	`or at least different setup for it`
`06:21.16`	`zakkm`	`than n810?`
`06:21.24`	`luke-jr`	`yeah`
`06:21.32`	`zakkm`	`ah`
`06:21.33`	`luke-jr`	`N810 mic is on the bottom edge`
`06:21.38`	`luke-jr`	`N800 mic is on the top`
`06:21.51`	`zakkm`	`lol`
`06:22.00`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`that's not a "different mic" as such, though`
`06:22.19`	`luke-jr`	`CutMeOwnThroat: presumably there was a reason to move it?`
`06:22.22`	`zakkm`	`it depends on chipset, and whether theres physical stuff blocking it making it weaker`
`06:22.31`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`oh, but actually now that you say that, I think I finally found the micro hole`
`06:22.47`	`luke-jr`	`hehe`
`06:22.49`	`qwerty12_N800`	`luke-jr: ah, but you've got sound - N800 driver was removed iirc because it needs an update. I'd be happy to hear if that's not the case anymore...`
`06:22.50`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`well, that IS a weird place to have it`
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`06:23.11`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`it's underneath that little metal stand?`
`06:23.23`	`luke-jr`	`CutMeOwnThroat: also, as qwerty12_N800 just confirmed, N800 and N810 use different drivers`
`06:23.27`	`luke-jr`	`yeah`
`06:23.39`	`thux`	`morning`
`06:23.45`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`well, that's smart... bet a microphone works a hell lot better when you cover it up :)`
`06:23.54`	`luke-jr`	`XD`
`06:24.09`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`to be fair, only about 10-20% are covered, though`
`06:24.33`	`luke-jr`	`etiher way, it doesn't work yet`
`06:24.38`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`but no big wonder I was never able to find it`
`06:24.52`	`luke-jr`	`I thoguht it was the thing on top of the webcam`
`06:24.58`	`luke-jr`	`seemed the obvious place for it -.-`
`06:25.22`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`yeah, that's what I also thought`
`06:25.27`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`but that's... a flash?`
`06:25.33`	`luke-jr`	`I light sensor I think`
`06:25.36`	`luke-jr`	`to auto-adjust contrast`
`06:25.43`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`or an autofocus light?`
`06:25.53`	`Stskeeps`	`nah, light sensor`
`06:25.56`	`luke-jr`	`never seen it light up`
`06:25.59`	`Stskeeps`	`ambient light sensor or something`
`06:26.05`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`err... why'd you need something but the camera itself for that?`
`06:26.07`	`Stskeeps`	`it's used to auto-adjust brightness`
`06:26.17`	`luke-jr`	`CutMeOwnThroat: camera uses more power?`
`06:26.40`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`eh? it's on anyway when you need to adjust brightness?`
`06:26.42`	`qwerty12_N800`	`CutMeOwnThroat: You've used the camera right?`
`06:26.57`	`luke-jr`	`CutMeOwnThroat: display brightness, not camera brightness`
`06:27.03`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`not so often... as I said... stuff crashed`
`06:27.22`	`luke-jr`	`ponders if the camera works in 2.6.30`
`06:27.25`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`hm, ok, that would make sense, but I've not seen that happen`
`06:27.30`	`luke-jr`	`me either tbh`
`06:27.48`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`(I mean light-dependent change of display intensity)`
`06:28.28`	`luke-jr`	`maybe Stskeeps should see if quim has a 3rd N810 to donate that can go to someone in kernel dev :>`
`06:28.43`	`luke-jr`	`we desperately need someone with the ability to fix support and mainline it`
`06:28.46`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`qwerty12_N800, I usually stop playing with the software that leads to a crash rather quickly :)`
`06:29.03`	`qwerty12_N800`	`Heh, fair point :)`
`06:29.06`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`well, but if I gave my one away, I wouldn't have it anymore and wouldn't profit from the improvement`
`06:29.14`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`no way!`
`06:29.39`	`luke-jr`	`CutMeOwnThroat: that's why I was talking about getting Nokia to donate one for the purpose`
`06:29.49`	`Stskeeps`	`luke-jr: i just think general support for tablets in general are needed`
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`06:30.11`	`luke-jr`	`Stskeeps: the only real flaws in 2.6.30 that I can see are N810-specific`
`06:30.26`	`Stskeeps`	`luke-jr: well you didn't test on a n800 :P`
`06:30.32`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`. o O ( good choice then, CutMeOwnThroat )`
`06:31.24`	`luke-jr`	`Stskeeps: nope, but N800 doesn't have a keyboard or GPS`
`06:31.24`	`Stskeeps`	`anyway`
`06:31.24`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`it's got that radio, though, no?`
`06:31.24`	`Stskeeps`	`i can't imagine why anyone would do a mainlining without 1) lots of time 2) cash`
`06:31.24`	`Stskeeps`	`:P`
`06:31.24`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`you would have found SOMETHING :)`
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`06:31.56`	`Stskeeps`	`luke-jr: anyway, n810's are in a decent price range atm`
`06:32.30`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`qwerty12_N800, "fullscreen starfield screensaver" wtf has that to do with the camera? you said liqbase... didn't you?`
`06:32.37`	`luke-jr`	`night`
`06:32.54`	`qwerty12_N800`	`CutMeOwnThroat: You've actually been to the menu yet?`
`06:33.03`	`qwerty12_N800`	`(hint, give it a tap)`
`06:33.16`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`no, the fscking wireless of the university doesn't extend into my office`
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`06:33.28`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`so I can't install while here`
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`06:37.56`	`zakkm`	`liqbase is awesomeee`
`06:40.05`	`LiraNuna`	`zakkm, now imaging it with the MBX working...`
`06:40.34`	`Stskeeps`	`yeah, it'll be interesting to see if it goes ahead`
`06:40.37`	`Stskeeps`	`it sounded decent atm`
`06:41.07`	`LiraNuna`	`Stskeeps, how does development to mer is done?`
`06:41.13`	`qwerty12_N800`	`if that fails: next step: license jazelle :P`
`06:41.14`	`LiraNuna`	`Stskeeps, mer "SDK"`
`06:41.21`	`LiraNuna`	`qwerty12_N800, lmao`
`06:42.02`	`Stskeeps`	`LiraNuna: you develop in either a X86 chroot or VMDK with the whole maemo system running, and then when your package is done and tested, you submit it to OBS and it gives you nice armel packages (building locally or on a farm)`
`06:42.16`	`Stskeeps`	`without any fuss whatsoever beyond that`
`06:42.35`	`Stskeeps`	`you can also code directly on device`
`06:42.35`	`LiraNuna`	`oh wow, canadian cross'ing GCC for winblows works`
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`06:42.51`	`LiraNuna`	`anyone wants to test GCC 4.4 targeting maemo on windows?`
`06:43.23`	`LiraNuna`	`liqbase dude might be interested in a newer GCC,`
`06:43.33`	`zakkm`	`Stskeeps: how goes finger keyboard support? :)`
`06:43.34`	`LiraNuna`	`GCC 3.x -> GCC 4.x is leaps ahead`
`06:43.38`	`Stskeeps`	`zakkm: not sure, code it?`
`06:43.39`	`Stskeeps`	`:P`
`06:43.39`	`zakkm`	`LiraNuna: he goes by lcuk :)`
`06:43.45`	`LiraNuna`	`zakkm, ooh`
`06:43.47`	`zakkm`	`Stskeeps: i cant code :)`
`06:43.52`	`LiraNuna`	`ooooh lcuk2`
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`06:44.00`	`zakkm`	`i can somewhat read code, but i failed computer science in school`
`06:44.26`	`LiraNuna`	`anyone wants GCC 4.4 for winblows targeting maemo4?`
`06:44.41`	`zakkm`	`LiraNuna: not many devs here use winblows ;p`
`06:44.46`	`LiraNuna`	`great`
`06:44.54`	`LiraNuna`	`what about build instructions for linux then :)`
`06:45.49`	`zakkm`	`you could put in developers part of maemo talk :P`
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`06:47.32`	`LiraNuna`	`I don't put unfinished/untested stuff in forums`
`06:47.33`	`LiraNuna`	`:P`
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`07:20.10`	`mib_6a047i`	`i want to use dynamic library,which code sample i shoud see?`
`07:20.17`	`mib_6a047i`	`anybody`
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`07:32.12`	`lcuk2`	`mib_6a047i, there are numerous examples on the net for dynamic linking with .so files, you dont need a specific maemo one`
`07:32.30`	`lcuk2`	`LiraNuna, that sounds quite cool, but what about lib support`
`07:32.42`	`lcuk2`	`zakkm, yes it is lol :D`
`07:33.25`	`lcuk`	`zakkm, ive been thinking about what you said last night and I might just have a plan..`
`07:33.26`	`zakkm`	`lcuk: about to go use liqbase in about 5-10min after i finish encoding mer maemo conference vid`
`07:33.32`	`zakkm`	`what did i say last night?`
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`07:33.45`	`lcuk`	`yes, i havent got time now lol`
`07:33.55`	`zakkm`	`?`
`07:33.56`	`lcuk`	`but it involves your offer to build a package from liqbase`
`07:34.03`	`lcuk`	`for the nightlies`
`07:34.04`	`zakkm`	`oh that was last night for you?`
`07:34.06`	`zakkm`	`hah`
`07:34.15`	`zakkm`	`its still the same day for me , i havent slept yet ( im 5 hours before you )`
`07:34.17`	`lcuk`	`yes i woke up`
`07:34.31`	`LiraNuna`	`lcuk, lib support?`
`07:35.03`	`lcuk`	`since i do dev on the device - it would help if i could carry on myself as i do and let others who have full dev env setup to do package`
`07:35.06`	`zakkm`	`lcuk: i meant nightly / semi-nightly deb too not just the one`
`07:35.19`	`lcuk`	`yes zakkm thats what i meant as well`
`07:35.49`	`lcuk`	`its a pain in the ass for me to build a package and i cant get autotools or dpkg working easily on tablet`
`07:36.21`	`lcuk`	`we have basic package source running now - in the next few days i will finish getting it in shape etc`
`07:36.58`	`lcuk`	`LiraNuna, you said gcc4 stuff on windows`
`07:37.09`	`LiraNuna`	`yes`
`07:37.10`	`lcuk`	`not all libs are available on windows`
`07:37.14`	`LiraNuna`	`eh`
`07:37.19`	`LiraNuna`	`it targets MAEMO`
`07:37.23`	`LiraNuna`	`a cross compiler`
`07:37.25`	`zakkm`	`heh should use cygwin`
`07:37.35`	`lcuk`	`nahhh i prefer the device itself ;)`
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`07:38.09`	`lcuk`	`LiraNuna, it does sound interesting - it would cut out major problems for me`
`07:38.15`	`LiraNuna`	`:)`
`07:38.31`	`LiraNuna`	`GCC 4.4 cross compiler for windows or linux`
`07:38.35`	`LiraNuna`	`targets maemo`
`07:38.48`	`zakkm`	`lcuk: ive never acutally added anything to extras / extras-devel..but is it just a matter of naming and uploading.. and waiting?`
`07:39.17`	`zakkm`	`who runs it?`
`07:39.22`	`lcuk`	`zakkm, when i get back tonight im gonna fill in an app for libliqbase on garage`
`07:39.35`	`LiraNuna`	`lcuk, let me upload a 7z`
`07:39.56`	`zakkm`	`oh cool found "uploading to extras" wiki page`
`07:40.08`	`lcuk`	`LiraNuna, im not in any position to do anything right now but send me a mail at liquid@gmail.com and ill look tonight`
`07:40.14`	`RST38h`	`There is a new Tegra-based tablet coming out`
`07:40.27`	`LiraNuna`	`lcuk, oh, no problem`
`07:40.28`	`lcuk`	`oooh liqbase should run really fast on that (H)`
`07:40.54`	`RST38h`	`lcuk: I do not think so, the main CPU is kinda weak`
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`07:41.02`	`lcuk`	`its super fast on omap2 already ...`
`07:41.13`	`lcuk`	`and runs on baconfat on omap3`
`07:41.26`	`lcuk`	`and goes into orbit on x86`
`07:42.01`	`LiraNuna`	`if anyone's interested: http://www.liranuna.com/junk/arm-linux-gnueabi.w32.7z`
`07:42.09`	`lcuk`	`wonders what kind of analogy i could use for tegra`
`07:42.27`	`LiraNuna`	`lcuk, omap`
`07:43.19`	`zakkm`	`lcuk: who controls extras-devel repo?`
`07:43.36`	`lcuk`	`maemo does`
`07:43.44`	`zakkm`	`like nobody on irc?`
`07:44.00`	`lcuk`	`yeah some of the overlords exist`
`07:44.05`	`lcuk`	`but i dunno`
`07:44.11`	`lcuk`	`im off to work \o cyas later`
`07:44.17`	`zakkm`	`cya!`
`07:44.26`	`LiraNuna`	`if anyone wants to build his/her own version on Linux, here's a (beta) guide: http://pastie.org/497505`
`07:44.45`	`zakkm`	`version of linux?`
`07:44.47`	`zakkm`	`distro? :P`
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`07:45.02`	`RST38h`	`lcuk: BACON: http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,6651997,00.jpg`
`07:45.16`	`lcuk`	`LiraNuna, does this pastie expire ?`
`07:45.22`	`LiraNuna`	`no idea`
`07:45.28`	`lcuk`	`thx for mail, im gonna c&p it lol`
`07:45.35`	`LiraNuna`	`np`
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`07:45.47`	`LiraNuna`	`please note that canadian cross compiling (what I did) is harder`
`07:45.57`	`LiraNuna`	`compilingon linux (for linux) is much easier`
`07:46.17`	`lcuk`	`yeah targeting canadian binaries is harder than european ones`
`07:46.46`	`zakkm`	`:)`
`07:47.07`	`LiraNuna`	`haha`
`07:47.24`	`zakkm`	`The term Canadian Cross came about because at the time that these issues were all being hashed out, Canada had three national political parties.`
`07:47.39`	`LiraNuna`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_compiler#Canadian_Cross`
`07:48.05`	`hub`	`there are 5 now`
`07:48.09`	`zakkm`	`going to bed, goodnight!`
`07:48.18`	`hub`	`only 4 with seats`
`07:48.26`	`hub`	`in the house of commons`
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`08:09.55`	`RST38h`	`Tegra-based Mobinnova Èlan running Windows CE rocks our world`
`08:10.01`	`RST38h`	`Windows CE. Eeeek.`
`08:17.55`	`Stskeeps`	`yay, hello kitty photo frames`
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`08:23.18`	`RST38h`	`Sts: Inform Myrtti right away =)`
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`08:26.13`	`Myrtti`	`lulwhut?`
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`08:27.09`	`RST38h`	`Myrtti: hello Kitty picture frames!`
`08:27.20`	`Myrtti`	`whutwhere?`
`08:28.54`	`RST38h`	`http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/02/sanrio-announces-two-hello-kitty-digital-photo-frames-one-child/`
`08:28.55`	`RST38h`	`hides`
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`08:30.08`	`Myrtti`	`ewww`
`08:30.12`	`Myrtti`	`that's fugly`
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`08:32.38`	`RST38h`	`Not according to Sanrio execs =)`
`08:33.10`	`ciroip`	`look like a pink n800...`
`08:35.41`	`zap`	`Anybody knows if there's a libgmp3 for Maemo? I see some traces of it in builder log, but it's not in any of the official repos...`
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`09:02.03`	`lardman`	`zap: dunno, but it builds without any patching`
`09:02.39`	`zap`	`I'm just interested what was the reason to remove it from repository`
`09:03.04`	`zap`	`perhaps the f*d US regulations about cryptography`
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`09:05.32`	`RST38h`	`Haven't restrictions on SSL code been lifted already?`
`09:05.51`	`Stskeeps`	`is N810 usb cable micro usb B or A?`
`09:05.51`	`Stskeeps`	`:p`
`09:07.08`	`zap`	`micro USB B`
`09:07.35`	`RST38h`	`Anyone filed a bug about Maemo.org header being two different sizes when you logged in and when not?`
`09:08.03`	`Stskeeps`	`zap: thanks`
`09:08.06`	`X-Fade`	`RST38h: You seem to see a lot of strange things that I really can't reproduce?`
`09:08.28`	`lardman`	`zap: I'm not sure it was ever in there actually`
`09:08.31`	`zap`	`Stskeeps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Serial_Bus#Types_of_USB_connector`
`09:08.45`	`zap`	`lardman: see this log: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/Sep.2008/guile-1.8_1.8.5+1-4maemo1/armel.root.log.OK.txt`
`09:08.50`	`X-Fade`	`RST38h: Did you change your default font or somthing like that?`
`09:09.03`	`X-Fade`	`*size`
`09:10.06`	`lardman`	`zap: oh yeah`
`09:10.27`	`lardman`	`shrug`
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`09:12.25`	`zap`	`libgmp3c2 2:4.2.2+dfsg-3`
`09:12.29`	`zap`	`looks like a Nokia package`
`09:13.45`	`RST38h`	`X-Fade: That does not necessarily mean that I am not seeing things :)`
`09:14.04`	`RST38h`	`X-Fade: No, FF3, normally sized fonts`
`09:14.13`	`RST38h`	`X-Fade: Should I investigate a bit more and report?`
`09:14.32`	`X-Fade`	`RST38h: No, I'm not saying that. But it looks like something is up at your end (settings or something else?)`
`09:14.37`	`RST38h`	`It is minor but bugs me by its subtlety`
`09:14.53`	`RST38h`	`X-Fade: Oh, it occurs on both my home and work machines`
`09:14.58`	`X-Fade`	`RST38h: Hmmm.`
`09:15.11`	`RST38h`	`X-Fade: So it is NOT something on my end (and neither is the login problems)`
`09:15.20`	`RST38h`	`s/s//`
`09:15.36`	`X-Fade`	`RST38h: Can you create a screenshot?`
`09:15.51`	`RST38h`	`X-Fade: Will attach to bug report`
`09:15.55`	`X-Fade`	`ok.`
`09:16.00`	`zap`	`hmm, funny`
`09:16.16`	`zap`	`when I log in with a bad username/password, the page suddenly enlarges a bit`
`09:16.22`	`zap`	`like if I would set 125% zoom\`
`09:16.24`	`RST38h`	`exactly`
`09:16.31`	`zap`	`and after a couple seconds it jumps back to 100%`
`09:16.36`	`zap`	`with no actions on my side`
`09:16.50`	`X-Fade`	`So it is the authentication page?`
`09:17.00`	`zap`	`this is http://maemo.org`
`09:17.15`	`zap`	`hmm, my login/password doesnt work as well :)`
`09:17.54`	`zap`	`FF3 here too`
`09:18.10`	`RST38h`	`let me file it, with a few screenshots`
`09:18.49`	`zap`	`Stskeeps: actually it's "micro AB"`
`09:18.53`	`Stskeeps`	`.. AB?`
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`09:19.04`	`zap`	`yes`
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`09:19.10`	`zap`	`A is for host, B is for device plug`
`09:19.17`	`zap`	`AB is for USB-on-the-go`
`09:19.24`	`zap`	`Nokia can act both as host and device`
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`09:19.50`	`zap`	`you can plug both USB micro-B and USB micro-A plugs into AB`
`09:19.52`	`Stskeeps`	`ok`
`09:20.01`	`JamieBennett`	`does anyone have a problem with no feedback for the 'thumbs up' and 'thumbs down' feature of planet maemo? I never know if it has registered or not.`
`09:20.09`	`Stskeeps`	`i just hope the ones i just ordered are ok :P`
`09:20.17`	`RST38h`	`amie: there is a bug report for that`
`09:20.24`	`RST38h`	`Jamie: it should light 'em up`
`09:20.43`	`JamieBennett`	`Ah OK RST38h.`
`09:21.02`	`minra-`	`is media player source avail?`
`09:21.09`	`RST38h`	`shit, I restarted FF and now I am logged in but the Midgard bar is gone`
`09:21.27`	`minra-`	`i could reduce suckage without adding bloat`
`09:21.32`	`minra-`	`heh`
`09:21.43`	`minra-`	`what is midgard`
`09:23.59`	`JamieBennett`	`minra-: http://www.midgard-project.org`
`09:25.27`	`minra-`	`ahh`
`09:25.56`	`JamieBennett`	`minra-: Its what maemo.org runs on`
`09:26.08`	`RST38h`	`X-Fade: 4613`
`09:26.14`	`X-Fade`	`RST38h: Ok, thanks`
`09:26.23`	`lardman`	`zap: it's just the standard package name actually: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libgmp3c2`
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`09:27.31`	`florian`	`good morning`
`09:27.40`	`X-Fade`	`RST38h: So the register button is zoomed when not logged in?`
`09:27.43`	`lardman`	`hi florian`
`09:27.57`	`X-Fade`	`RST38h: Or stretched..`
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`09:31.51`	`X-Fade`	`RST38h: I can only trigger that kind of zooming when I use ctrl + ?`
`09:35.48`	`lcuk`	`X-Fade, your human macro zoom should work without pressing CTRL, just move closer to the page :P`
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`09:37.11`	`lcuk`	`(hiya btw)`
`09:37.34`	`X-Fade`	`lcuk: Yeah, that is another option ;)`
`09:38.36`	`lcuk`	`X-Fade, if i create a project as gpl in garage can i change the license at a later date (looking like lgpl) when I have gone over the issues`
`09:39.16`	`X-Fade`	`lcuk: You should be able to change that license yourself in the admin part.`
`09:39.33`	`lcuk`	`ok didnt know whether it was an interface or not :)`
`09:39.49`	`lcuk`	`would it be evil to keep libliqbase gpl entirely ;)`
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`09:44.00`	`andre__`	`lcuk, for a later license change (e.g. from gpl to lgpl) you will have to contact any past contributors. that can be fun if some email addresses are not working anymore`
`09:45.52`	`lcuk`	`andre__, i am still in contact with every single person (essentially myself)`
`09:46.34`	`lcuk`	`theres the packaging this weekend and a few bits from my good friend kotczarny but on the whole its my code to change`
`09:46.51`	`andre__`	`yeah... but in ten years after billions of contributions to liqbase you will have fun :-P`
`09:47.42`	`lcuk`	`the original liqbase is gpl2 with option of 3, but the library really needs to be better defined`
`09:48.04`	`lcuk`	`oh - the stuff z4chh has done recently as well - right, shall hash it over and change it soon lol`
`09:48.21`	`lcuk`	`andre__, ill just file bugs at you to contact everyone :P`
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`09:55.20`	`andre__`	`lcuk, i will find a way to avoid that job. and if not i can always quit with a 30 days' notice ;-)`
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`10:03.21`	`lcuk`	`heh andre__ ill disguise it somehow but still end up with you handling it :D`
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`10:09.22`	`Stskeeps`	`lo qwerty12`
`10:09.33`	`qwerty12`	`hey Stskeeps`
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`10:09.54`	`RST38h`	`X-Fade: No Ctrl+ involved`
`10:10.31`	`X-Fade`	`RST38h: It should as the first part shows the white line artifact beween above the orange part.`
`10:10.42`	`X-Fade`	`RST38h: Try to hit ctrl- when you see that.`
`10:10.55`	`RST38h`	`X-Fade: I am absolutely not pressing anything extra`
`10:11.06`	`RST38h`	`X-Fade: not clicking any keys just the mouse button`
`10:11.17`	`X-Fade`	`No, but your browser remembers zoom?`
`10:11.25`	`RST38h`	`Not really, why should it?`
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`10:47.19`	`lardman`	`hello amit_usual`
`10:47.38`	`amit_usual`	`hi`
`10:47.58`	`amit_usual`	`lardman hi`
`10:48.09`	`lardman`	`did you get my email?`
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`10:49.43`	`djinn`	`hello all`
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`10:54.31`	`RST38h`	`hehes involuntarily: "Mobinnova ViewBook N910 (netbook)"`
`10:56.39`	`lardman`	`I think I'd have sore ears listening to music for 25days straight ;)`
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`11:36.31`	`lcuk`	`lardman, thats holly whacking you round the head for using ipod whilst at the wedding`
`11:37.01`	`lardman`	`lol`
`11:37.16`	`lardman`	`if it had been an Nxxx it would have been better? ;)`
`11:37.27`	`lcuk`	`heh its worth it if its new tech :D`
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`11:37.37`	`lcuk`	`even i would risk the wrath of tracy for that lol`
`11:39.07`	`RST38h`	`Whoever makes another comment to that N900 thread is going to start on the 100th page. Hurry up folks!`
`11:39.10`	`RST38h`	`=)`
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`11:40.52`	`lcuk`	`RST38h, just edit your post so its longer`
`11:41.26`	`RST38h`	`lcuk: I am not THAT vane :)`
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`11:44.04`	`lardman`	`heads off to get some more report written`
`11:44.05`	`mgedmin`	`vane?`
`11:44.14`	`lardman`	`wind turbine?`
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`11:48.46`	`RST38h`	`s/vane/vain`
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`11:54.05`	`Anunakin`	`Hi All!`
`11:54.20`	`Anunakin`	`Hey guys! N900 is true? or a lie?`
`11:54.25`	`RST38h`	`Lie.`
`11:54.32`	`StsN801`	`lo`
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`11:54.46`	`RST38h`	`Finnish government is behind it, too`
`11:54.52`	`lcuk`	`heh`
`11:54.55`	`qwerty12`	`Pandora people is helping them`
`11:54.57`	`StsN801`	`Anunakin, nothing official out yet`
`11:55.02`	`qwerty12`	`*are`
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`11:55.29`	`StsN801`	`not so much a lie but a conspiracy`
`11:55.30`	`RST38h`	`qwerty: That would be a huge factor against N900 being released on time =)`
`11:55.43`	`qwerty12`	`hehe`
`11:56.12`	`RST38h`	`N900 is actually going to be a homing device masquerading as a cell phone`
`11:56.55`	`StsN801`	`that's what i fear our donated n810s are ;)`
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`11:57.49`	`RST38h`	`Sts: Yea, that is for sure. Nokia donates you an n810 and you start visiting Mameo/Mozilla meets, etc =)`
`11:58.01`	`RST38h`	`Not to mention those Chinese forums...`
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`12:02.43`	`StsN801`	`lo timeless`
`12:02.56`	`timeless_mbp`	`hi`
`12:03.00`	`timeless_mbp`	`wonders if this vm will work`
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`12:05.59`	`mib_gc3m2o`	`i can't see it on the vitural keyboard,after i build the hildon-input-plugins-example and install it.what't the problem?`
`12:06.31`	`mib_gc3m2o`	`is there anybody who can give me a tip? thans`
`12:06.34`	`mib_gc3m2o`	`thanks`
`12:06.35`	`StsN801`	`fremantle?`
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`12:07.11`	`mib_gc3m2o`	`no,it's diablo`
`12:07.34`	`StsN801`	`cod`
`12:07.45`	`mib_gc3m2o`	`do you have experence?`
`12:07.46`	`StsN801`	`code or os?`
`12:07.52`	`mib_gc3m2o`	`code`
`12:07.57`	`mib_gc3m2o`	`code sample`
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`12:08.20`	`StsN801`	`ok, and where do you run it?`
`12:08.36`	`mib_gc3m2o`	`i just build and install it in the sdk`
`12:08.46`	`StsN801`	`ok`
`12:09.11`	`StsN801`	`not sure how it works there`
`12:09.42`	`RST38h`	`Ho ho ho, another conspiracy thread!`
`12:10.39`	`mib_gc3m2o`	`after i build the sample,there is no bin file`
`12:10.46`	`mib_gc3m2o`	`it is a .so file`
`12:11.12`	`StsN801`	`of course`
`12:11.37`	`StsN801`	`hildon input method can load it`
`12:11.50`	`mib_gc3m2o`	`i build a package and install it`
`12:12.17`	`mib_gc3m2o`	`the step is like this,but i can't see it on the keyboard`
`12:12.27`	`mib_gc3m2o`	`it is always older one`
`12:12.40`	`mib_gc3m2o`	`how to switch to it?`
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`12:13.01`	`StsN801`	`on n800/n810?`
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`12:13.35`	`mib_gc3m2o`	`yes`
`12:13.38`	`StsN801`	`lo yerga`
`12:13.58`	`StsN801`	`the menu should have it`
`12:14.07`	`yerga`	`Hi StsN801`
`12:14.59`	`mib_gc3m2o`	`you mean the button menu`
`12:15.26`	`StsN801`	`yeah, the one on the old keyboard`
`12:15.29`	`mib_gc3m2o`	`at the bottom-left`
`12:15.36`	`mib_gc3m2o`	`yes`
`12:15.41`	`StsN801`	`yeah`
`12:16.11`	`mib_gc3m2o`	`i see it ,it shows what i have install.`
`12:16.29`	`mib_gc3m2o`	`but it display in grey state.`
`12:16.35`	`mib_gc3m2o`	`i can't click it`
`12:18.03`	`StsN801`	`ok, asking someone. sec`
`12:18.31`	`mib_gc3m2o`	`thanks`
`12:18.37`	`StsN801`	`can i ask what you want to develop?`
`12:18.52`	`mib_gc3m2o`	`handwritting`
`12:19.07`	`mib_gc3m2o`	`i learn it lately`
`12:19.08`	`StsN801`	`oki`
`12:20.11`	`mib_gc3m2o`	`do you build the input-method sample?`
`12:20.26`	`StsN801`	`you're more than welcome to help with hildon input method plugins in Mer project (see wiki.maemo.org/Mer`
`12:20.39`	`mib_gc3m2o`	`yeah`
`12:20.41`	`StsN801`	`we need help in that area so`
`12:21.18`	`mib_gc3m2o`	`i have seen the code sample,but i can't install it properly`
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`12:23.53`	`StsN801`	`well if it shows up so far so good`
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`12:27.53`	`mib_gc3m2o`	`yeah it shows up now, it seems to not be switch the older one.`
`12:28.07`	`mib_gc3m2o`	`switch to older one`
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`12:29.10`	`mib_gc3m2o`	`if i install,it could only show my input method and not show another one.`
`12:29.10`	`StsN801`	`ok, it has something to deal with supported languages maybe`
`12:29.21`	`StsN801`	`ah`
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`12:31.41`	`mib_gc3m2o`	`switching between twe input method can be implemented with supported languages.`
`12:33.19`	`mib_gc3m2o`	`do you have ever seen some handwritting input method?`
`12:34.30`	`mib_gc3m2o`	`do you know where to switch between them`
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`12:43.13`	`StOrM_NW`	`is the fremantle release stable? and where can i get a website explaining how to flash to this release if so?`
`12:43.39`	`RST38h`	`Fremantle is currently not available for the devices`
`12:43.53`	`RST38h`	`Fremantle SDK (development kit) is available for preview in beta`
`12:44.32`	`StOrM_NW`	`oh k, so diablo version is still the more up-to-date release for the devices?`
`12:44.37`	`RST38h`	`yes.`
`12:44.45`	`StOrM_NW`	`ok thanks for the help`
`12:45.25`	`X-Fade`	`Heh, sharing plugins category surfaces again ;)`
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`12:48.54`	`minra-`	`RST38h, did you ever find a way to get 50-60fps true screen updates at any resolution?`
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`12:50.31`	`lcuk`	`minra-, thats entirely feasible using xv and lower than 800*480`
`12:50.37`	`minra-`	`would like to get true synched screen updates at 320x20p`
`12:50.47`	`minra-`	`200`
`12:51.06`	`lcuk`	`grab liqbase from extras and change the resolution and take a look for yourself :)`
`12:51.14`	`minra-`	`lcuk, your liq code to do this is available?`
`12:51.19`	`minra-`	`ty`
`12:51.25`	`lcuk`	`yeah its in garage`
`12:51.33`	`minra-`	`thank you sir`
`12:51.38`	`lcuk`	`the released one which has resolution changes at least`
`12:51.53`	`Sesrun`	`does anyone know of a os2008 maemo app to calculate sunrise/sunset data tables per long/lat?`
`12:51.55`	`lcuk`	`the new one doesnt do that lot, its used for fullscreen stuff`
`12:52.19`	`minra-`	`i think the controller hides true vsync from us`
`12:52.21`	`lcuk`	`Sesrun, if theres a console/gtk app to do itfor linux in general it should be possible to use`
`12:53.02`	`minra-`	`have you code to fix tearing in horiz scroll?`
`12:53.22`	`Sesrun`	`gotcha didn't know that. i'll search around some more. thanks`
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`12:54.48`	`minra-`	`i think synched updates not possible at 50-60hz`
`12:55.01`	`minra-`	`at any res`
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`12:55.07`	`mib_nrn5zf`	`In maemo devolopment which tool is the most useful debug tool?`
`12:55.17`	`minra-`	`grep/vi`
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`12:55.27`	`minra-`	`gdb`
`12:55.28`	`mib_nrn5zf`	`i want to see the debug output.`
`12:57.09`	`lardman`	`is there some more detail about the location framework somewhere?`
`12:58.45`	`lardman`	`and specifically whether there is a server based backend used to do look-ups from things like wifi MACs/gsm tower ids/etc.?`
`13:03.51`	`lcuk`	`minra-, i seem to have no problem with tearing :)`
`13:04.37`	`RST38h`	`lardman: I would seach for GeoClue`
`13:04.52`	`lardman`	`it isn't geoclue based though is it`
`13:05.05`	`lardman`	`I seem to remember that specific fact`
`13:05.07`	`X-Fade`	`lardman: No it is Nokia's own framework.`
`13:05.17`	`RST38h`	`Wait, cancel that: http://www.mail-archive.com/geoclue@lists.freedesktop.org/msg00212.html`
`13:05.22`	`RST38h`	`lardman: Yes`
`13:05.37`	`lardman`	`I was just idly thinking about whether the creation of such databases would be beneficial`
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`13:06.09`	`lardman`	`ah, city name stuff looks quite useful`
`13:06.14`	`RST38h`	`They exist already, commercial ones`
`13:06.25`	`lardman`	`I wonder if it will also do lat-lon -> post/zip-codes?`
`13:06.45`	`RST38h`	`TIGER db will do that for US`
`13:07.08`	`lardman`	`in the UK the lookups require payment, or Google I guess`
`13:08.03`	`Myrtti`	`no, wolfram alpha will do it ALL grin`
`13:08.09`	`Myrtti`	`chuckle`
`13:08.14`	`lardman`	`lol`
`13:08.29`	`Myrtti`	`ALL HAIL HYPNOTOAD!`
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`13:08.45`	`lardman`	`lunch-time drinking Myrtti? ;)`
`13:08.54`	`Myrtti`	`lardman: lack of caffeine`
`13:08.54`	`Hypnotoad`	`Yes? Somebody called?`
`13:09.09`	`lardman`	`Myrtti: now I mention it I could do with a beer, mmmm`
`13:09.25`	`Myrtti`	`and it's almost dinner time`
`13:09.43`	`lardman`	`well lots of lunch-time drinking then! :D`
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`13:10.47`	`Hypnotoad`	`thoroughfully hypnotizes everyone present into buying iPhones`
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`13:12.22`	`lardman`	`~lart Word for 'correcting' spellings that are already correct`
`13:12.22`	`infobot`	`blasts Word with a huge firehose then strangles Word with it for 'correcting' spellings that are already correct`
`13:12.43`	`RST38h`	`lardman: Microsoft has got a better tool for that now`
`13:13.16`	`RST38h`	`When writing a C# program, Studio will actually try to correct your coding by replacing "Key" with some "KeyHandlerExceptionType" etc.`
`13:14.21`	`lardman`	`like an auto complete thing?`
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`13:15.18`	`RST38h`	`Yes, but an extremely proactive and annoying one`
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`13:16.13`	`lardman`	`I know your pain, I'm also having troubles with the wonders of auto-capitalisation, when I actually want lower case, arrrgh x2`
`13:16.55`	`RST38h`	`usually solves this by using PICO for all his typing needs`
`13:17.21`	`RST38h`	`And if these guys really want .doc, let 'em convert it themselves from .txt`
`13:17.36`	`lardman`	`not sure pico would like my equations and diagrams, etc`
`13:17.53`	`RST38h`	`LaTeX`
`13:18.16`	`lardman`	`hmm`
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`13:20.41`	`minra-`	`just sketch them in liq`
`13:20.45`	`minra-`	`:)`
`13:21.38`	`minra-`	`ive seen results from last year lcuk. only valid test for tearing is horizontal pynning`
`13:21.42`	`minra-`	`panning`
`13:21.59`	`cmug`	`to begin or not to begin`
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`13:28.43`	`cmug`	`ok instead of deciding now I get coffee`
`13:29.18`	`lardman`	`lol`
`13:29.21`	`lardman`	`I did the same`
`13:29.26`	`lardman`	`then went back to Word`
`13:29.50`	`cmug`	`hmm, I have so many things to begin that I can't even decide what to begin :(`
`13:30.00`	`cmug`	`but coffee tastes good atleast`
`13:30.14`	`lardman`	`I've got lots begun, but few finished`
`13:30.22`	`cmug`	`sounds like the story of my life ;-)`
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`13:36.36`	`cmug`	`Isn't the af-sb-init.sh script supposed to start the hildon-home aswell or am I mistaken?`
`13:36.40`	`cmug`	`in fremantle`
`13:37.05`	`cmug`	`to answer myself, yes, yes it is`
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`13:56.34`	`StOrM_NW`	`i was trying to flash the n810 to use stlc45xx and i follow the README and i had to set some necessary R&D flags using this command flasher --set-rd-flags=no-omap-wd,no-retu-wd,no-lifeguard-reset ... and after that i flashed with the compiled kernel ... now what i have to do to reboot the device ... i can only see the Nokia logo and a icon with the device and a screwdriver, any help really appreciate`
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`13:57.03`	`qwerty12`	`You've taken out the USB cable?`
`13:57.30`	`StOrM_NW`	`no, do i have to?`
`13:57.37`	`StOrM_NW`	`:P`
`13:57.45`	`qwerty12`	`Yeah, once done, remove the cable :P`
`13:57.54`	`StOrM_NW`	`k`
`13:58.32`	`StOrM_NW`	`same`
`13:59.48`	`StOrM_NW`	`any button that i need to hold? or press before try to reboot`
`14:00.28`	`qwerty12`	`No, there is nothing that you can do apart from poppin' the battery at that point`
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`14:01.48`	`StOrM_NW`	`removed the baterry and same screen`
`14:02.05`	`StOrM_NW`	`kernel problem?`
`14:02.09`	`qwerty12`	`You sure the kernel you flash is sane?`
`14:02.13`	`qwerty12`	`*flashed`
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`14:03.15`	`StOrM_NW`	`i got it from git and compiled using the maemo-sdk, but i guess maybe its better if i flashed it to the stable version`
`14:03.37`	`StOrM_NW`	`i mean the diablo one`
`14:03.53`	`qwerty12`	`Flash the original one and if that works, try your one again but instead of using --flash, use --boot`
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`14:05.05`	`qwerty12`	`At least that way you can ascertain if the kernel you flashed is dodgy. And if it is, a removal of the battery will use the original kernel again`
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`14:07.14`	`zap`	`hmm strange problem... I have ARM binaries running fine in scratchbox (/bin/sh for example), but programs I compile won't run (says Permission denied). Anybody encountered such a problem?`
`14:07.48`	`X-Fade`	`zap: Did you move them away from your mmc?`
`14:07.58`	`RST38h`	`zap: they are probably on the no-exec fs`
`14:08.00`	`zap`	`permissions are ok`
`14:08.05`	`zap`	`mmmh`
`14:08.09`	`zap`	`they're on NFS`
`14:08.09`	`RST38h`	`permissions do not matter if it is mmc`
`14:08.12`	`zap`	`could be indeed`
`14:08.14`	`X-Fade`	`zap: mmc is mounted no-exec`
`14:08.16`	`X-Fade`	`ah ;)`
`14:08.25`	`RST38h`	`check how that NFS is mounted`
`14:08.46`	`zap`	`/home is NFS, the rest is in /scratchbox :)`
`14:10.44`	`zap`	`hm`
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`14:15.51`	`zap`	`finally worked :)`
`14:18.31`	`StOrM_NW`	`what the default R&D flags? i flashed with the old version but now when i turn it on its shows the version of kernel, release and other things in green ... and when it boot i got the first setup but after 1 min or less the screen begin to fade out and shutdown the device`
`14:18.57`	`StOrM_NW`	`am i doing something wrong? i used flasher -F image -f -R`
`14:19.32`	`qwerty12`	`To flash a kernel, it's -k - not -F`
`14:20.16`	`StOrM_NW`	`i flashed using the RX-44-DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin`
`14:20.56`	`qwerty12`	`Oh, you reflashed.`
`14:21.09`	`StOrM_NW`	`nod`
`14:21.19`	`qwerty12`	`There is no default rd-mode flags - Nokia don't ship their devices with it enabled`
`14:21.55`	`StOrM_NW`	`so there is a way to undo flasher --set-rd-flags=no-omap-wd,no-retu-wd,no-lifeguard-reset?`
`14:22.08`	`qwerty12`	`--disable-rd-mode`
`14:22.28`	`StOrM_NW`	`flasher --disable-rd-mode?`
`14:22.51`	`qwerty12`	`yep`
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`14:24.31`	`StOrM_NW`	`so if i want to just test the kernel that i built i have to just try flasher -k image -f -R?`
`14:27.09`	`StOrM_NW`	`flasher -k image -b to boot right?`
`14:28.22`	`qwerty12`	`Think so, I haven't used that option in about a year. IIRC, -l param is needed too`
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`14:30.39`	`StOrM_NW`	`yeah, i guess the kernel is damaged.`
`14:30.49`	`StOrM_NW`	`thanks qwerty12 for the help`
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`14:33.19`	`wazd_n800`	`heya world`
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`14:37.51`	`KurtKraut`	`What text editors we have to Maemo that has support highlights to LaTeX, bash, HTML etc?`
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`14:40.33`	`mgedmin`	`KurtKraut: vim`
`14:41.07`	`mib_nrn5zf`	`maybe cscope`
`14:42.30`	`zap`	`KurtKraut: mcedit`
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`14:43.14`	`KurtKraut`	`zap: thanks`
`14:43.26`	`zap`	`mcedit is in the mc package`
`14:43.41`	`KurtKraut`	`zap: so it is CLI?`
`14:43.50`	`zap`	`no`
`14:43.52`	`zap`	`it's console`
`14:44.03`	`zap`	`sed is CLI :)`
`14:45.05`	`KurtKraut`	`zap: What I dislike in options like vim and mcedit is the console. I think it is not easy to adjust to a font size to enhance the readability`
`14:45.16`	`qwerty12`	`KurtKraut: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/pygtkeditor/ - dunno if it does LaTeX but it does do bash and HTML probably as it does php`
`14:45.20`	`zap`	`why not, just pop up console settings`
`14:45.34`	`zap`	`also, install the dejavu-fonts package and use the dejavu fixed font`
`14:47.58`	`KurtKraut`	`qwerty12: I've tried this out and it is horrible. Doesn't allow to adjust font size. I can barely see what I'm writing`
`14:48.25`	`zap`	`KurtKraut: in console you may press + and - buttons (on the top of N810) to adjust font size`
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`14:50.30`	`zap`	`also you may create your own .desktop file with a command like 'osso-xterm -e mcedit %f' to allow editing files directly from file manager`
`14:51.30`	`qwerty12`	`That works? I thought the file manager goes through all its mime_open dbus-signal crap`
`14:51.48`	`zap`	`so what, it anyways finishes in the .desktop files`
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`14:52.24`	`zap`	`but I'm not 100% sure :)`
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`14:53.28`	`KurtKraut`	`zap: that looks great`
`14:54.49`	`KurtKraut`	`zap: I noticed a problem in mcedit. It requires F1, F2,F3.. keys to input commands. It is quite annoying to do it in Maemo`
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`14:56.26`	`wazd_n800`	`jeez, 54 pages of flame bout n900 screen...`
`14:56.41`	`RST38h`	`http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/06/ecs-vase-ion-1.jpg`
`14:56.49`	`RST38h`	`wazd: 54? Last time I checked there were 100`
`14:57.05`	`X-Fade`	`depends on your settings :)`
`14:57.26`	`qwerty12`	`RST38h: posts per page in board settings`
`14:57.28`	`wazd_n800`	`RST38h, well, 54 is about screen only)`
`14:57.36`	`RST38h`	`qwerty: Ah!`
`14:58.13`	`qwerty12`	`Ah, it's "Edit Options" - I was thinking in IPB`
`14:58.33`	`wazd_n800`	`people always want to complain bout something`
`14:59.51`	`wazd_n800`	`screen size, color sceme, d-pad, keyboard rows, hardware lock switch, power button in the wrong place, bezel, no bezel`
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`15:01.42`	`wazd_n800`	`"screen is 3.5", I can't read it anymore!!!"`
`15:01.59`	`wazd_n800`	`move in closer to your eyes, dude`
`15:02.59`	`ShadowJK`	`this is why I want holographic screen or something, so that you can keep screen right infront of your nose, but focus into the screen a few metres away :)`
`15:04.37`	`ShadowJK`	`hm, about 20cm is closest I can comfortably focus on something`
`15:04.38`	`ShadowJK`	`:/`
`15:04.57`	`X-Fade`	`ShadowJK: You don't need to hold it that close ;)`
`15:05.32`	`X-Fade`	`It would be almost filling your complete field of vision at that point ;)`
`15:05.37`	`ShadowJK`	`but but... the screen has so many pixels, imagine how many columns I can get in xterm with an 8pixel font`
`15:05.56`	`ShadowJK`	`if only I figure out how to focus!`
`15:06.17`	`X-Fade`	`ShadowJK: I always have that idea with these virtual reality glasses..`
`15:06.42`	`ShadowJK`	`field of vision is 180 degrees or something, need curved tablet to fill it all :)`
`15:07.02`	`wazd_n800`	`btw, as n900 will have USB host option and linux now has drivers for external usb displays...`
`15:07.29`	`X-Fade`	`wazd_n800: And it has video out.`
`15:07.35`	`ShadowJK`	`... and n800/n810 has usb host option, and there are drivers and support packages in extras for the usb->vga adapters?`
`15:07.59`	`X-Fade`	`And it can charge from usb :)`
`15:08.16`	`ShadowJK`	`I think all new Nokia things can charge from USB, they did sign on to the "industry standard" after all :)`
`15:08.38`	`wazd_n800`	`can it make some coffee?)`
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`15:09.37`	`X-Fade`	`wazd_n800: Talk with your upnp coffee machine? :)`
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`15:13.18`	`wazd_n800`	`And the last thing that surprises me is that many people are absolutely sure that n900 will be a phone for 100%`
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`15:17.46`	`X-Fade`	`wazd_n800: The developer device at least didn't look like a phone.`
`15:18.10`	`X-Fade`	`No speaker where you would expect your ear to be. (Just 2 speakers on the sides like N810)`
`15:19.25`	`rm_you`	`X-Fade: hey`
`15:19.39`	`rm_you`	`X-Fade: can you reset PyShop's mailing list thing plzkthx? lol... so tired of the spam :P`
`15:19.41`	`Myrtti`	`wazd_n800: I don't believe N900 will be a phone before I receive a phone call from/with it`
`15:20.10`	`Myrtti`	`but I'm a sceptic cat`
`15:20.22`	`Myrtti`	`I don't believe in pink invisible unicorns either, really`
`15:20.50`	`jeremiah_`	`takes off pink unicorn costume.`
`15:20.51`	`wazd_n800`	`doesn't think n900 to be a phone too`
`15:20.58`	`rm_you`	`didn't they pretty much say during one of the keynote things "IT WILL ONLY HAVE DATA"`
`15:21.18`	`rm_you`	`I seem to remember that`
`15:22.20`	`wazd_n800`	`maemo is not ready to be serious phone OS`
`15:22.27`	`wazd_n800`	`"yet"`
`15:22.48`	`Myrtti`	`I want to see it have proper SIP first :-D`
`15:23.03`	`wazd_n800`	`maybe fremantle will change these things`
`15:23.04`	`Myrtti`	`(I can get my sip to connect only when I'm tethering it)`
`15:23.04`	`aquatix`	`Myrtti: you don't?`
`15:23.15`	`aquatix`	`believes in pink invisible unicorns`
`15:23.18`	`aquatix`	`they are cute`
`15:23.27`	`Myrtti`	`aquatix: I don't believe in myself either`
`15:23.30`	`aquatix`	`ah`
`15:23.35`	`aquatix`	`i have that too :/`
`15:23.42`	`Myrtti`	`aquatix: there's no chixxor in the Interhwebs`
`15:24.49`	`Myrtti`	`it's all a lie`
`15:25.09`	`rm_you`	`a great percentage of my friends on the interwebs are chixxorz, lol`
`15:25.26`	`rm_you`	`most of the people I play WoW with (yes, I play WoW... <_<) are chixxorz :P`
`15:25.42`	`rm_you`	`and people are like "r u a gurl IRL lolz?!" and they're like... "no. go away."`
`15:26.29`	`aquatix`	`Myrtti: aw, and there I was thinking you where cute too :(`
`15:26.38`	`Myrtti`	`hehe`
`15:26.42`	`Myrtti`	`more coffee`
`15:26.45`	`aquatix`	`ghehe`
`15:26.57`	`aquatix`	`hands Myrtti some decent jet-black brew`
`15:27.18`	`rm_you`	`found a nice yarn shop today in Copenhagen :P`
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`15:27.34`	`rm_you`	`bought some wool/alpaca mix`
`15:27.36`	`aquatix`	`hm, an omap3 netbook`
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`15:28.03`	`Myrtti`	`rm_you: ooh!`
`15:28.17`	`wazd_n800`	`aquatix: pandora strikes back?)`
`15:28.21`	`rm_you`	`feels very nice :P`
`15:28.42`	`Myrtti`	`shopped from Utuna again, feels quilty for spending 34â¬ on two hanks of yarn`
`15:28.43`	`rm_you`	`Going to give it to my GF when I get back to the US... ^_^`
`15:28.48`	`Myrtti`	`awww`
`15:29.06`	`rm_you`	`she is cutest when huggling yarn :P`
`15:29.35`	`aquatix`	Myrtti: g @ `quilty'
`15:29.46`	`Stskeeps`	`aquatix: the touhbook?`
`15:30.06`	`rm_you`	`Stskeeps: so, is theft here just NOT an issue? >_>`
`15:30.08`	`Myrtti`	`aquatix: MORE COFFEE`
`15:30.24`	`Stskeeps`	`rm_you: people are quite relaxed, why?`
`15:30.40`	`rm_you`	`i've seen like 1500 bikes in the last two days, and only like ten of them had locks`
`15:30.47`	`rm_you`	`like, wherever i was`
`15:30.53`	`Stskeeps`	`yeah.. and we leave our children in carriages outside resturants`
`15:30.56`	`aquatix`	`Stskeeps: no, some Vaio-P lookalike: http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/02/video-ecs-t800-netbook-brings-us-to-our-knees-with-android-on-1/`
`15:30.59`	`rm_you`	`metro station, middle of nowhere, in some park... >_>`
`15:31.06`	`aquatix`	`hands Myrtti the whole stash`
`15:31.08`	`rm_you`	`lol`
`15:31.15`	`Stskeeps`	`rm_you: some of them might have been stolen ones though`
`15:31.16`	`rm_you`	`but like, zero theft rate? >_>`
`15:31.18`	`rm_you`	`lol`
`15:31.26`	`Stskeeps`	`we do have theft and pick-pocketing`
`15:31.29`	`rm_you`	`i guess that's a possibility`
`15:31.33`	`aquatix`	`rm_you: or 100% theft rate ;)`
`15:31.37`	`Stskeeps`	`and people stealing bikes and breaking into houses`
`15:31.40`	`rm_you`	`but like, srsly... bikes arent cheap, but NO ONE locks them up`
`15:31.48`	`Myrtti`	`have a crappy enough bike, and nobody is intrested in taking it`
`15:31.52`	`Stskeeps`	`yeah`
`15:31.55`	`Stskeeps`	`that's often the mindset`
`15:31.58`	`rm_you`	`in the US if you leave your bike for like five minutes unlocked, even on college campus which has very low theft rate, it will be gone when you get back`
`15:32.00`	`Stskeeps`	`(myrtti)`
`15:32.06`	`Myrtti`	`my bike is insured anyway`
`15:32.21`	`Myrtti`	`I'd probably get more from it if I'd throw it off a bridge or have it stolen`
`15:32.21`	`Stskeeps`	`rm_you: people look weirdly at you if you start rummaging around bikes :P`
`15:32.28`	`Myrtti`	`than trying to sell it`
`15:32.29`	`rm_you`	`lol bike insurance? :P`
`15:32.31`	`Stskeeps`	`yeah`
`15:32.35`	`aquatix`	`Myrtti: be sure to keep the key`
`15:32.36`	`Stskeeps`	`insurance fraud as well`
`15:32.39`	`rm_you`	`lol`
`15:32.45`	`Myrtti`	`rm_you: goes with the apartment insurance`
`15:32.53`	`rm_you`	`you wouldn't have to rummage, just walk straight up to one and run off`
`15:32.55`	`wazd_n800`	`my bike was (imagine) cut out with fence part that it was locked around`
`15:32.55`	`qwerty12`	`Myrtti: Hope they don't read IRC logs :P`
`15:33.12`	`rm_you`	`but also the parking meters are based on the clock on the car windshield that YOU set? lol`
`15:33.27`	`Stskeeps`	`rm_you: yeah, - they check at times though`
`15:33.41`	`rm_you`	`it's like an entire society that is based on honesty and responsibility :P not that it's bad, just never see that in the US, EVER. :P`
`15:33.55`	`Myrtti`	`rm_you: I think that's sad :-(`
`15:34.01`	`rm_you`	`yeah, it really is`
`15:34.07`	`rm_you`	`crime in the US is horrid`
`15:34.22`	`Myrtti`	`and besides, I'm going to give my bike to my sister, she has even crappier bike than I do`
`15:34.37`	`rm_you`	`heh`
`15:36.07`	`Myrtti`	`it is her bike anyway... she bought it when I was seven and I got it from her when I was 12 (she had lived in US for several years)`
`15:36.49`	`Myrtti`	`tells something about the quality that her bike is now 3 years old rusty piece of garbage, while mine (her old) is 25 and apart from few rust spots is as new`
`15:36.53`	`Stskeeps`	`rm_you: on the other hand people here rarely have guns, which causes problems when you get robbed by gangs from outside denmark..`
`15:37.07`	`Stskeeps`	`(i dont want guns here, i would prefer to keep gangs out :P)`
`15:37.51`	`rm_you`	`yeah <_<`
`15:38.46`	`wazd_n800`	`in US every granny has a heavy machinegun :D`
`15:39.03`	`Myrtti`	`wazd_n800: and a rifle and a handgun`
`15:39.16`	`Myrtti`	`wazd_n800: "never leave your eggs in one basket"`
`15:39.36`	`rm_you`	`i own a rifle and a handgun <_<`
`15:39.37`	`Stskeeps`	`but it's a bit messed up when there's boys going from window to window at a dorm and snooping in and putting light on doors and you open your door in order to shout at them and you end up having a minor conversation with him, until you secretly call the guards on their ass`
`15:39.41`	`Stskeeps`	`:P`
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`15:40.55`	`aquatix`	`home`
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`15:41.30`	`wazd_n800`	`we have guns only for shooting bears on the streets :)`
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`16:41.53`	`minra-`	`maemo xchat vulnerable to disconnect exploit - june 2009`
`16:42.16`	`Stskeeps`	`lovely, prod qwerty12`
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`16:42.32`	`minra-`	`k`
`16:42.36`	`qwerty12`	`Depends, which version are you using?`
`16:43.02`	`minra-`	`2.8.4`
`16:43.17`	`qwerty12`	`Yeah, I only hack on 2.8.6 in extras-devel`
`16:43.24`	`minra-`	`ah`
`16:43.44`	`minra-`	`can u update release ver?`
`16:44.02`	`minra-`	`i got booted for a couple days`
`16:44.15`	`minra-`	`no biggie but still`
`16:44.35`	`minra-`	`ok just now again`
`16:44.53`	`minra-`	`i seem to be in some combatative chans`
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`16:46.30`	`qwerty12`	`I keep that version in Extras-devel because I don't trust myself enough to ever promote it :)`
`16:46.54`	`minra-`	`ah`
`16:47.02`	`minra-`	`ok will add devel`
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`16:48.51`	`minra-`	`how ?`
`16:49.27`	`qwerty12`	`http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras#Extras-devel`
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`16:54.12`	`p-f`	`Has anyone gotten Mnemosyne to run on maemo (n810)?`
`16:54.47`	`wazd_n800`	`p-f: well`
`16:54.48`	`Stskeeps`	`hm, i think i saw some flash card thing`
`16:54.58`	`p-f`	`Stskeeps, there's an anki port, if that's what you mean`
`16:55.08`	`Stskeeps`	`yeah`
`16:55.15`	`p-f`	`it's fairly unstable from what I've seen so far`
`16:55.27`	`minra`	`qwerty12, new xchat april 1 2009 still vulnerable`
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`16:55.37`	`wazd_n800`	`p-f: we're working on full-featured flashcard app based on mnemosyne right now`
`16:55.37`	`Stskeeps`	`p-f: it's a GSoC project`
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`16:55.43`	`qwerty12`	`http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009/Projects/Mnemosyne_for_Maemo`
`16:56.04`	`p-f`	`I saw that but it may be a while until it's up and running from the look of things`
`16:56.17`	`Stskeeps`	`such are gsoc projects :P`
`16:56.24`	`p-f`	`and since Mnemosyne is theoretically portable, I was wondering whether anyone had managed to get the original version running`
`16:56.25`	`Stskeeps`	`wonders if it runs on mer`
`16:56.32`	`p-f`	`wonders what mer is`
`16:56.32`	`qwerty12`	`minra: Hmm, XChat webpage only has 2.8.6 source. The author puts his time into the windows version for $$$ it seems`
`16:56.49`	`Stskeeps`	`http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer`
`16:57.02`	`minra`	`i asking for exploit now`
`16:57.05`	`p-f`	`oh dear`
`16:57.20`	`p-f`	`why did you have to paste this link when I'm the middle of finals?`
`16:57.33`	`p-f`	`now I have to install it instead of studying`
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`16:58.05`	`Stskeeps`	`sorry, i have the same problem when people give me gadgets out of the blue :P`
`16:58.17`	`Stskeeps`	`i have to keep my greedy fingers off the n810 i just got from nokia`
`16:58.18`	`Stskeeps`	`:P`
`16:58.35`	`p-f`	`I bought one a while ago :)`
`16:58.47`	`p-f`	`it's neat if you ignore the horrendously slow webpage rendering`
`16:58.56`	`qwerty12`	`p-f: Tear`
`16:58.56`	`Stskeeps`	`ah. you should get Tear`
`16:59.00`	`Stskeeps`	`your sanity will thank you`
`16:59.02`	`p-f`	`(actually, I'm not sure whether it's a rendering issue)`
`16:59.12`	`lcuk`	`whats a webpage/`
`16:59.37`	`p-f`	`webpage is short for html (aherm)`
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`16:59.46`	`lcuk`	`cool`
`16:59.50`	`p-f`	`smirks`
`16:59.51`	`lcuk`	`(whats html though?)`
`16:59.59`	`lcuk`	`:D`
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`17:00.13`	`p-f`	`thanks qwerty12 / Stskeeps, I'll have a look`
`17:00.28`	`p-f`	`the funny thing is I'm not sure whether it's a rendering issue - the browser just sits there saying "Connecting to blah" forever`
`17:01.08`	`p-f`	`either way, it can't hurt to try Tear`
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`17:01.48`	`minra`	`hehe`
`17:02.14`	`minra`	`i love this. we got /kick for maemo xchat`
`17:03.21`	`Meizirkki`	`i still can't kick myself :(`
`17:03.50`	`GAN800`	`p-f, that's a connectivity issue.`
`17:04.21`	`Stskeeps`	`GAN800: scaringly enough i'm not always certain of that`
`17:04.53`	`GAN800`	`Stskeeps, well, it aint rendering.`
`17:04.55`	`p-f`	`GAN800, I'm getting incredible speeds in software other than the browser`
`17:05.13`	`Stskeeps`	`GAN800: i'm willing to blame network code :P`
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`17:06.13`	`TeccaNina`	`Hi`
`17:06.16`	`Stskeeps`	`lo`
`17:07.02`	`minra`	`qwerty12, got a minute?`
`17:07.16`	`qwerty12`	`minra: sure`
`17:07.26`	`minra`	`chat TeccaNina pls`
`17:07.45`	`minra`	`pm`
`17:08.31`	`wazd_n800`	`brand new way to date someone :D`
`17:09.27`	`lcuk`	`wazd_n800, its not new - its staple of school romances "my friend said he fancies you, will you go out with him?"`
`17:10.21`	`wazd_n800`	`lcuk, heh)`
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`17:15.48`	`Stskeeps`	`wazd_n800: we can actually make the black keyboard it seems like`
`17:16.28`	`Stskeeps`	`wazd_n800: him-arabic is actually a generic layout engine`
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`17:22.46`	`wazd_n800`	`Stskeeps, whoa!`
`17:23.06`	`wazd_n800`	`Stskeeps, you mean that large kb on my artwork? (not fs one)`
`17:23.40`	`Stskeeps`	`wazd_n800: yes for instance`
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`17:24.34`	`wazd_n800`	`that's superawesome!`
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`17:25.09`	`wazd_n800`	`any help from my side needed?`
`17:26.15`	`Stskeeps`	`looking, sec :P`
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`17:27.32`	`Stskeeps`	`i think we really also need to start designing keyboard layouts`
`17:27.40`	`Stskeeps`	`see http://home.foolab.org/svn/projects/him-arabic/trunk/data/en.xml for instance`
`17:28.02`	`Stskeeps`	`i think we can adjust it to further act better`
`17:28.35`	`Stskeeps`	`(it takes utf-8 too)`
`17:29.29`	`lcuk`	`http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/06/02/crocodile_keyboard/`
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`17:42.01`	`lardman`	`heads out for a birthday drink or three`
`17:42.04`	`lardman`	`night all`
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`17:46.08`	`Anunakin`	`hi all`
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`18:15.50`	`Stskeeps`	`if anyone wants to help out with on screen keyboard layouts: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=293004`
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`18:16.40`	`Stskeeps`	`lo jaffa`
`18:16.42`	`Jaffa`	`Morning, all`
`18:16.51`	`Jaffa`	`Stskeeps: Good weekend?`
`18:16.53`	`Stskeeps`	`definately`
`18:17.29`	`Stskeeps`	`Jaffa: meeting about Ubuntu MID & Mer in #ubuntu-mobile in 45 mins btw if you want to listen in`
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`18:17.51`	`Jaffa`	`Stskeeps: ta; will open a window`
`18:18.06`	`Stskeeps`	`Jaffa: http://pastebin.com/d7c524616`
`18:18.08`	`Stskeeps`	`is outline`
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`18:39.30`	`lbt`	`CPH weekend piccies : http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/mozmae/`
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`18:41.04`	`Stskeeps`	`ah, yours :)`
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`18:42.07`	`Stskeeps`	`lbt: http://www.flickr.com/photos/96141280@N00/3587963637/ is fantastic :P`
`18:42.56`	`lbt`	`Some are mine... anyone who tags "mozmae" though`
`18:43.04`	`Stskeeps`	`yeah, i know`
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`18:59.39`	`minra`	`got kicked from server again on xchat`
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`19:00.12`	`minra`	`i am going to start using the exploit on maemo users in 6 weeks`
`19:00.25`	`minra`	`f y i`
`19:00.37`	`Stskeeps`	`hint: publically logged channel`
`19:00.47`	`Proteous`	`heh`
`19:00.54`	`minra`	`no damage Stskeeps`
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`19:01.34`	`fiferboy`	`lbt: I have overshoot working (more or less) without any changes to QAbstractSlider`
`19:02.10`	`lbt`	`OK, I'm in a Mer/Ubuntu meeting on #ubuntu-mobile .... back l8r`
`19:02.30`	`fiferboy`	`Gotcha`
`19:03.38`	`minra`	`law here requires damages. 6 weeks is enough to fix xchat exploit or insert a warning that is insecure`
`19:04.12`	`Myrtti`	`minra: what on earth are you on?`
`19:04.43`	`minra`	`just saying we should get it fixed soonish`
`19:04.57`	`Myrtti`	`[22:00] < minra> i am going to start using the exploit on maemo users in 6 weeks`
`19:05.13`	`Myrtti`	`GEE. That's a healthy way of addressing the problem`
`19:05.38`	`minra`	`yes`
`19:05.54`	`Myrtti`	`"I've got shit in my hands, so I'll just wipe it on everyone elses clothes as well"`
`19:06.15`	`luke-jr`	`minra: law requires damages, but not FreeNode ;)`
`19:06.17`	`minra`	`just on friends`
`19:06.18`	`luke-jr`	`you'll get K-lined`
`19:06.24`	`minra`	`oh`
`19:06.29`	`lcuk`	`minra, you best read the description on downloads - you purchased the device without any sort of xchat installed :)`
`19:06.29`	`minra`	`nm then`
`19:06.44`	`Myrtti`	`has no sympathy`
`19:07.27`	`minra`	`you want me to fix it?`
`19:08.12`	`lcuk`	`thats a better way to be :)`
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`19:09.13`	`minra`	`i just want to raise concern and attention by folks with a clue`
`19:09.59`	`luke-jr`	`minra: my viewpoint is "screw X-Chat crap" âº`
`19:10.08`	`minra`	`heh`
`19:10.20`	`minra`	`i dont even know the string`
`19:10.20`	`Myrtti`	`huggles her irssi â¥`
`19:11.03`	`Myrtti`	`minra: try to join #ubuntu with it`
`19:11.19`	`Myrtti`	`(with the xchat)`
`19:11.51`	`minra`	`ok`
`19:12.02`	`Myrtti`	`you'll get tested, and might be that you'll be disconnected...`
`19:12.08`	`minra`	`see if i get kicked`
`19:12.23`	`Myrtti`	`but anyway, there's also instructions on how to fix it, if the exploit is what I think it is`
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`19:19.25`	`Myrtti`	`yup, that's it :-D`
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`19:20.06`	`qwerty12_N800`	`Fuck. That's a shitter.`
`19:20.36`	`Stskeeps`	`mm?`
`19:20.38`	`Myrtti`	`check your router settings ;-)`
`19:20.49`	`qwerty12_N800`	`Myrtti: Is that the DCC one?`
`19:20.51`	`Myrtti`	`yup`
`19:21.05`	`luke-jr`	`um?`
`19:21.11`	`qwerty12_N800`	`It won't affect xchat on my N800 :\`
`19:21.23`	`luke-jr`	`it's not a X-Chat issue`
`19:21.30`	`luke-jr`	`it's a router issue`
`19:21.30`	`qwerty12_N800`	`I had someone trying to do it to me & I was still on`
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`19:23.16`	`lopz`	`hola`
`19:25.55`	`minra`	`sorry i was misinformed about xchat security on maemo - pls ignore`
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`20:26.32`	`fiferboy`	`lbt: I'll have to talk to you about it tomorrow`
`20:26.43`	`lbt`	`ok - mail me patches?`
`20:27.07`	`lbt`	`we're still on Ubuntu-MID / Mer interworking :)`
`20:27.23`	`lbt`	`sorry I've not been about tonight ;)`
`20:27.44`	`fiferboy`	`lbt: That's no problem.`
`20:27.57`	`fiferboy`	`I have a couple of more things to work out, then I'll mail you the patches`
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`21:32.38`	`ryoohki`	`find . -size +1024 doesn't work - it's busybox find -- how can i find files larger than a size, say 1 meg?`
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`21:37.04`	`zakkm`	`ryoohki: shouldnt it be find * .. not find .`
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`22:04.51`	`ryoohki`	`is there a way to rebuild the list of installed packages?`
`22:05.41`	`qwerty12_N800`	`Trying to install findutils but finding busybox conflicts?`
`22:07.31`	`lbt`	`heh.`
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`22:10.13`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`all these intentionally-broken busybox commands also grate on my nerves`
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`22:16.13`	`nomis`	`intentionally broken?`
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`22:16.27`	`lbt`	`minimally implemented`
`22:17.20`	`qwerty12_N800`	`technically, nokia didn't help. Look at debian/config_deb in busybox source package and you'll see what I mean`
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`22:46.10`	`z4chh`	`im a beast at blocks`
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`22:57.00`	`Proteous`	`heh`
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`22:57.44`	`lcuk`	`:D:D:D:D:D:D i have all my data back thanks to KotCzarny's suggestion of testdisk.`
`22:58.02`	`lcuk`	`wishes he could donate to the testdisk guys`
`22:58.06`	`lcuk`	`http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk`
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`22:58.30`	`qwerty12_N800`	`I used CmosPwd once, killed my CMOS grin`
`22:58.46`	`zakkm`	`lcuk: yeah testdisk is nice`
`22:58.51`	`zakkm`	`saved my ass tons of times`
`22:59.21`	`lcuk`	`yeah zakkm i am in awe :)`
`22:59.27`	`zakkm`	`250gb totally failed on me, nothing could read partitions, failed a SMART test.. recovered most of it`
`22:59.52`	`lcuk`	`yeah well ive got everything back right upto the point when it corrupted itself`
`22:59.53`	`zakkm`	`cool thing is, its crossplatform too`
`23:00.13`	`lcuk`	`yeah and it read from the file i backed up last night`
`23:00.17`	`zakkm`	`it also has photorec , for recovering photos and such from flash cards`
`23:00.24`	`zakkm`	`so if your camera ever corrupts the card :P`
`23:00.51`	`lcuk`	`yeah its good`
`23:00.51`	`Macer`	`the saga continues`
`23:00.56`	`lcuk`	`lol`
`23:00.57`	`zakkm`	`its more getting it to read, rather than recovering long lost deleted files thats been overwritten`
`23:01.04`	`lcuk`	`its not Macer its done now :P`
`23:01.13`	`zakkm`	`like i dont think it can go past one overwrite`
`23:04.23`	`Macer`	`huh?`
`23:04.34`	`lcuk`	`my saga`
`23:04.44`	`lcuk`	`or were u on about something else`
`23:05.08`	`Macer`	`oh. i dont know. it was one of those mindless things`
`23:06.45`	`lbt`	`you needed insurance?`
`23:07.08`	`lcuk`	`i didnt think macer was old enough`
`23:07.25`	`Macer`	`old enough for what?`
`23:07.45`	`lcuk`	`saga insurance`
`23:07.45`	`lbt`	`alAltzheimer's`
`23:07.51`	`Macer`	`haha`
`23:08.29`	`Macer`	`you never know`
`23:08.38`	`hub`	`what does that mean "Incompatible package" in the application installer...`
`23:08.46`	`Macer`	`was watching a show about bikini atoll`
`23:09.07`	`lbt`	`mmm bikinis`
`23:09.25`	`Macer`	`another civilization pushed out of their home by the white man =)`
`23:09.57`	`lbt`	`bimbos are a civilisation?`
`23:10.21`	`Macer`	`hm. im+ seems to be randomly disconnecting from my zimbra server`
`23:10.26`	`Macer`	`jabberd`
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`23:34.52`	`z4chh`	`whoa, has anyone tried the hildon borg theme?`
`23:35.13`	`hub`	`z4chh: I didn't get assimilated`
`23:35.33`	`z4chh`	`hub, i did :\`
`23:35.45`	`z4chh`	`resistance was futile :S`
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`23:36.23`	`z4chh`	`the borg theme is not bad..but needs work o_o`
`23:38.18`	`hub`	`ask the collective`
`23:39.29`	`z4chh`	`hub, already did..the second i thought that`
`23:39.43`	`z4chh`	`we are one`
`23:40.12`	`z4chh`	`omg i didn't realize how good some of these star trek themes are`
`23:40.13`	`lcuk`	`apart from 7 of 9, she is a pair`
`23:40.32`	`z4chh`	`7 of 9 broke off from the collective`
`23:40.50`	`z4chh`	`im liking this klingon theme!`
`23:42.02`	`lcuk`	`7 of 9 is enhanced`
`23:42.41`	`lcuk`	`she has silicone nanobots :D`
`23:43.43`	`z4chh`	`don't all borg?`
`23:43.54`	`hub`	`more seriously, what does "Incompatible Application Package" mean in the Application Manager`
`23:43.58`	`lcuk`	`only the females lol`
`23:44.26`	`qwerty12_N800`	`hub: == use dpkg -i to install`
`23:44.33`	`z4chh`	`hub, ^^`
`23:44.34`	`lcuk`	`hub, its caused by an incompatability in the packaging - usually the package requests one dependency and its not available`
`23:44.35`	`z4chh`	`;p`
`23:44.47`	`z4chh`	`hub, ^^ also`
`23:44.50`	`hub`	`lcuk: but then I can install the dependencies.`
`23:44.54`	`hub`	`manually`
`23:44.55`	`lcuk`	`easiest is remove all none nokia or maemo repositories`
`23:45.10`	`hub`	`they are on the SD card`
`23:45.13`	`hub`	`I just built them`
`23:45.18`	`qwerty12_N800`	`hub: package section doesn't begin with user/`
`23:45.22`	`lcuk`	`the package manager wont look there tho..`
`23:45.49`	`hub`	`user/office for the main package`
`23:45.57`	`hub`	`but then I need the dependencies...`
`23:45.59`	`hub`	`:-/`
`23:46.56`	`hub`	`why having an "install from file" if it does not work`
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`23:47.56`	`qwerty12_N800`	`It's also used for ".install" files and debs with user/ section & deps installed...`
`23:48.29`	`hub`	`yeah but I can't install the deps for the reason mentionned above`
`23:48.34`	`hub`	`even if they are in extras....`
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`23:49.26`	`qwerty12_N800`	`Yeah, that is a shit point of the app manager: it refuses to resolve deps for debs installed from local`
`23:50.04`	`hub`	`ok so I'm not on crack`
`23:50.27`	`hub`	`aok the red pill mode helped...`
`23:50.40`	`hub`	`at least that part we have the source code :-)`
`23:51.31`	`qwerty12_N800`	`Sure it's a dep problem then? red pill mode skips the user/ check but it still won't resolve deps`
`23:52.03`	`hub`	`well I installed librsvg2-2 in red pill mode`
`23:52.09`	`hub`	`and then my package installed`
`23:52.11`	`hub`	`so yes`
`23:52.12`	`hub`	`it was`
`23:52.23`	`hub`	`the user/ check`
`23:52.30`	`hub`	`I was not in red pill mode when I asked the question`
`23:52.59`	`qwerty12_N800`	`ah`
`23:53.18`	`GeneralAntilles`	`jeremiah_, ping?`
`23:53.26`	`hub`	`and I was trying to install the .deb I fetched from extra`
`23:53.31`	`hub`	`that were missing deps`
`23:53.42`	`hub`	`but applicaiton manager could just have installed them....`

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