| 00:00.12 | timeless_mbp | melting isn't really on my todo list :) |
| 00:00.37 | zakkm | its in mine for you :P |
| 00:00.39 | zakkm | nah uhh |
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| 00:08.40 | timeless_mbp | X-Fade: ping |
| 00:08.40 | timeless_mbp | Warning: Unknown property 'displan'. Declaration dropped. |
| 00:08.41 | timeless_mbp | Source File: https://garage.maemo.org/account/login.php?return_to=%2Fmy%2F |
| 00:08.41 | timeless_mbp | Line: 257 |
| 00:08.58 | timeless_mbp | what's a displan and why does garage think any CSS UAs will support it? |
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| 00:10.22 | EdLin | sorry about the joins/parts, something seems wrong with my client |
| 00:19.35 | GAN8001 | lol: "3:30PM Walt: If Symbian is so great, why do you have Maemo? OP: I've got many... let's look at this demo. N97. I think it's very impressive." |
| 00:20.10 | GAN8001 | I love that tactic in dodging a question in interviews. |
| 00:26.45 | Bobbe | who is Walt? |
| 00:27.22 | GAN8001 | Bobbe, guy from Engadget doing interviews, I guess. |
| 00:27.39 | GAN8001 | http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/27/nokia-ceo-olli-pekka-kallasvuo-live-at-d7/ |
| 00:31.41 | Bobbe | timestamps are decreasing, but the text is top to bottom, is that right? |
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| 00:32.30 | zakkm | Bobbe: you read it bottom to top |
| 00:32.46 | zakkm | i believe |
| 00:33.07 | GAN8001 | ^ |
| 00:33.12 | GAN8001 | Confusing. |
| 00:33.21 | GAN8001 | They should do it opposite of their normal reporting direction. |
| 00:33.53 | Macer | blah. no more ncis episodes |
| 00:33.54 | Macer | sucks |
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| 00:40.31 | aspect | looks like you read between timestamps top->bottom, but traverse the timestamps bottom to top |
| 00:40.58 | Bobbe | It's confusing. I never know what is comment, who's talking, damn, just gimme the mp3 |
| 00:40.59 | aspect | I'm not sure what order you're supposed to look at the pictures though :) |
| 00:41.40 | aspect | keeps reading "Walt" as "Wait" .. seems like a really eager interviewer |
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| 00:46.04 | GAN8001 | Ah, penguinbait: always keeping it civil and productive. |
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| 01:09.50 | penguinbait | seen any neat phones lately? |
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| 01:26.23 | Macer | penguinbait: G1? :) |
| 01:26.28 | Macer | hides under a rock |
| 01:27.14 | penguinbait | and they say I stir up trouble ;) |
| 01:27.48 | Macer | haha |
| 01:28.15 | Bobbe | lol |
| 01:28.31 | Bobbe | wow |
| 01:28.34 | Macer | sorry. i'm losing my faith in symbian |
| 01:28.38 | Bobbe | the new skyfire is A LOT better |
| 01:28.48 | Macer | waiting around for johnxx to see how well mer is workign on a wii |
| 01:30.27 | Macer | i'm playing buly |
| 01:30.31 | Macer | bully |
| 01:30.35 | Macer | funny shit haha |
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| 01:33.18 | Bobbe | penguinbait, just saw you recommend Console-tools to a user on tmo. Is it console-tools, install-tools, pbeasy? Honestly, I did it manually cause I didn't know which would work with 43-7. That's pbeasy, right? |
| 01:34.10 | zakkm | install-tools = really old.. cant use it anymore |
| 01:34.17 | Bobbe | tought so |
| 01:34.29 | zakkm | console-tools has pbeasy + fdisk and such |
| 01:34.29 | Bobbe | console-tools = more recent, but is not supported in 43-7 |
| 01:34.37 | zakkm | console-tools isnt? |
| 01:34.41 | Bobbe | ahhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 01:34.45 | penguinbait | sorry yes, zakkm is correct |
| 01:34.47 | zakkm | install-tools isnt supported by 43-7.. but console-tools is |
| 01:34.58 | Bobbe | that's what I read somewhere in 43-7 |
| 01:34.59 | Bobbe | okay, must have read wrong then |
| 01:35.23 | Bobbe | s/in 43-7/in tmo |
| 01:35.46 | zakkm | whats tmo? |
| 01:35.52 | penguinbait | I never updated install tools for 43-7, I created console-tools |
| 01:36.01 | penguinbait | talk.maemo.org |
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| 01:36.08 | zakkm | penguinbait, love your old kde358 :) |
| 01:36.26 | penguinbait | I really cant want for faster hardware and more ram |
| 01:37.02 | b-man16 | hello, penguinbait :) |
| 01:37.05 | penguinbait | If the make the screen smaller though, its not going to be pretty |
| 01:37.11 | penguinbait | hey bman |
| 01:37.20 | zakkm | penguinbait: why is the link disabled for your boot to kde instead of hildon |
| 01:37.24 | zakkm | i wanted to try that out |
| 01:37.50 | penguinbait | I need to update the deb, it will put you into a boot loop if you do it on latest versions |
| 01:38.03 | zakkm | oh |
| 01:38.05 | zakkm | okayy ;p |
| 01:38.13 | zakkm | i thought you did it for some bandwidth reason or something |
| 01:38.36 | penguinbait | no its tiny reconfigured script, but they changed some things in maemo |
| 01:39.03 | penguinbait | There is some threads on tmo that will walk you through it manually |
| 01:39.11 | penguinbait | somewhere? |
| 01:43.22 | zakkm | penguinbait: cool |
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| 01:55.54 | chx | i see subversion 1.4.6 -- a bit old :( is there cvs, mayhaps? |
| 02:02.53 | zakkm | chx: subversion itself? |
| 02:03.00 | zakkm | or the svn version of something |
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| 02:13.44 | chx | zakkm: subversion is at 1.6.2 or so |
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| 02:13.50 | chx | zakkm: and i could cvs while at it. |
| 02:14.14 | chx | *use |
| 02:14.32 | zakkm | did you see Mer yet? |
| 02:19.46 | zakkm | Chx: ^ |
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| 02:22.15 | chx | Mer? |
| 02:22.19 | chx | No, whats that? |
| 02:22.44 | zakkm | ~Mer |
| 02:22.45 | infobot | rumour has it, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer |
| 02:23.16 | zakkm | chx: what happened is the next nokia version isnt going to work on n8x0's .. so a few people decided to make a distro for the tablet basically |
| 02:23.31 | zakkm | out of ubuntu jaunty + parts of maemo etc |
| 02:24.14 | zakkm | can run lxde, gnome(sloww of course mind you), xfce .. w.e you want, but it would also give you the advantage of having ubuntu repositories.. giving you nice updated packages |
| 02:24.31 | zakkm | newest subversions, cvs etc etc |
| 02:24.33 | chx | wait ubuntu has armel repositories? |
| 02:24.37 | zakkm | yes |
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| 02:24.49 | zakkm | it went armel about half a year to a year ago? |
| 02:25.03 | chx | is behind |
| 02:25.08 | zakkm | heh |
| 02:25.09 | chx | thats very nice |
| 02:25.18 | zakkm | theres also gentoo but yeah |
| 02:25.20 | zakkm | for tablet |
| 02:25.39 | zakkm | all unofficial of course, but yeah mer isnt so much day to day / replacement yet .. progress is going very nicely |
| 02:25.50 | zakkm | this weekend is a hugeee maemo event in denmark i believe |
| 02:26.09 | zakkm | presentations, huge halls, talks everything |
| 02:26.51 | chx | sorry |
| 02:26.53 | chx | its a bit too far. |
| 02:27.06 | zakkm | cbx: heh, im just saying |
| 02:27.10 | chx | is in the best place to live in this world: Vancouver. |
| 02:27.15 | zakkm | heh |
| 02:27.19 | zakkm | i live in Toronto |
| 02:28.58 | chx | "Vancouver is the world's best place to live, according to a survey by the Economist Intelligence Unit." |
| 02:29.17 | chx | and the city wins this for many years now |
| 02:29.22 | zakkm | norway is better |
| 02:29.24 | chx | with great ease :) |
| 02:29.53 | chx | Norway tends to be a bit on the cold side dont you think so? |
| 02:30.08 | zakkm | yeah |
| 02:30.26 | chx | Copenhagen is the 8th |
| 02:30.37 | chx | but thats just Denmark |
| 02:30.38 | zakkm | another user here is in vancouver |
| 02:31.10 | chx | Toronto is 5th so dont worry :) |
| 02:31.14 | zakkm | lol |
| 02:31.17 | zakkm | i dont |
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| 04:07.12 | mib_7lhlub2u | hi |
| 04:09.49 | mib_7lhlub2u | i ran remove libc6 all is removed from my n810 how can i get it back |
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| 04:14.56 | mib_7lhlub2u | i ran remove libc6 all is removed from my n810 how can i get it back |
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| 04:18.32 | luke-jr | mib_7lhlub2u: you start from scratch |
| 04:18.35 | luke-jr | and learn not to do stupid things |
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| 04:20.36 | mib_7lhlub2u | luke-jr:where to start from do you have any doc or link that i can refer? |
| 04:24.32 | johnxx | ~flashing |
| 04:24.33 | infobot | i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 04:24.37 | johnxx | mib_7lhlub2u, ^^ |
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| 04:28.46 | mib_7lhlub2u | no way other than flashing like restore factory settings or something :( |
| 04:29.16 | johnxx | flashing is restore factory settings for us |
| 04:29.24 | johnxx | you remove libc6, you get to reflash |
| 04:29.28 | johnxx | it's the nokia promise :) |
| 04:30.05 | johnxx | but seriously, linux gives you enough rope to hang yourself with; it's up to you how you use it |
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| 04:42.24 | tonyyarusso | what can i use to mount remote directories over ssh in maemo? |
| 04:44.27 | johnxx | fuse and sshfs available from extras |
| 04:44.29 | johnxx | ~extras |
| 04:44.30 | infobot | rumour has it, extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras |
| 04:46.49 | |R | uhm, and i can't install modules-init-tools |
| 04:47.10 | |R | ah ... scrap that, i've got insmod |
| 04:48.15 | johnxx | yeah, module-init-tools depends on bash or something |
| 04:48.29 | |R | lsb-base |
| 04:48.31 | luke-jr | â¡ bash |
| 04:48.45 | |R | hehe yeah, i wish maemo used bash and not busybox |
| 04:49.03 | luke-jr | meh, who uses Maemo anymore? |
| 04:49.14 | |R | hehe |
| 04:49.23 | |R | well, i guess i'm the only user than :P |
| 04:49.27 | johnxx | it would be nice if it was at least installable |
| 04:49.34 | johnxx | bash that is |
| 04:49.39 | |R | yeah |
| 04:49.54 | |R | without the : You're better off jumping off a bridge, please type: yes |
| 04:50.03 | Myrtti | ⥠N800 |
| 04:50.12 | Myrtti | I use maemo still too... |
| 04:50.28 | johnxx | heck, even I dualboot for now |
| 04:50.43 | |R | Off a card? |
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| 04:51.18 | johnxx | mer on a card, maemo on nand |
| 04:51.41 | |R | i keep seeing mer mentionned here... |
| 04:51.48 | |R | but never looked at what it was... quick url? :) |
| 04:52.02 | |R | googles |
| 04:52.31 | |R | ah cool |
| 04:52.40 | |R | So.. what's missing from mer ? |
| 04:53.00 | |R | or what cool stuff does it add ? |
| 04:54.01 | johnxx | it adds a sane base distribution with bash and almost all of ubuntu |
| 04:54.27 | |R | Was there proprietary driver left? |
| 04:54.40 | johnxx | right now, sound needs to get added, then we need to figure out how to start (automagically) recompiling the apps that are in extras |
| 04:54.48 | |R | i mean, do we loose some support for gps/sound/wifi/bt/whatever ? |
| 04:54.52 | johnxx | the sound situation is somewhat proprietary |
| 04:55.00 | |R | ok |
| 04:55.33 | |R | so it's running the latest kernel and all? |
| 04:56.08 | johnxx | nope, still has Nokia's kernel for now |
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| 04:56.59 | johnxx | it will be capable of using the latest kernel whenever it gets finished off, but there isn't really a full-time kernel hacker working on Mer ;) |
| 04:57.13 | luke-jr | |R: GPS is no-go indefiniately until Nokia decides to help us (possibly after 3D) |
| 04:57.26 | luke-jr | |R: Wifi works, no idea on BT (seems useless tbh) |
| 04:57.30 | johnxx | er, it's supported to some degree I think |
| 04:57.33 | johnxx | BT works fine |
| 04:57.40 | |R | 3D for the n8x0 ? |
| 04:57.51 | luke-jr | I have sound output with 2.6.30-rc6, but no input |
| 04:58.03 | luke-jr | 2.6.30-rc6 has broken keyboard tho |
| 04:58.06 | |R | hehe |
| 04:58.26 | luke-jr | yes, 3D fro N8x0 |
| 04:58.28 | luke-jr | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
| 04:58.51 | |R | i thought it was impossible? that using 800x480 used the 3D capacity for the extra screen "surface" (pixel count) |
| 04:59.28 | luke-jr | I thoguht it was just a 640x480 limitation on the 3D area |
| 04:59.59 | |R | oh ok, so you could do it but not use all the screen... cool :) |
| 05:02.38 | johnxx | luke-jr, no sound output in 2.6.30 for the n800, only for the n810 |
| 05:02.57 | luke-jr | johnxx: you need to screw with the mixer |
| 05:03.00 | luke-jr | I forget how XD |
| 05:03.06 | johnxx | luke-jr, it's a different SoC |
| 05:03.08 | luke-jr | o |
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| 05:03.32 | johnxx | and yes, there are instructions to use the GPS, sound and BT in Mer |
| 05:03.40 | johnxx | soon it will be all nice and setup out-of-the-box |
| 05:03.49 | johnxx | headed out for now, lots of info on the mer wiki |
| 05:03.50 | johnxx | ~mer |
| 05:03.51 | infobot | somebody said mer was http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer |
| 05:03.52 | johnxx | :) |
| 05:04.27 | |R | yé :) |
| 05:04.49 | |R | I'll leave it as it is for now, cause i'm leaving for 2 months in a month but when i come back hopefully i can switch :) |
| 05:05.03 | luke-jr | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
| 05:06.27 | Myrtti | luke-jr: get the cat off the keyboard ;-) |
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| 05:13.35 | |R | the wifi on the n8x0 is what, 35mW with 0 dBi antenna? |
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| 05:49.03 | thux | morning |
| 05:50.56 | chx | |R: I am wondering too esp that i have a 500mW USB 802.11n adapter with a 9dBi antenna. (Overkill? what overkill? :p ) |
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| 06:55.44 | LiraNuna | finally! I cross compiled dash |
| 06:55.48 | Sts|office | woo |
| 06:55.56 | Sts|office | not sure maemo runs with it though |
| 06:56.10 | LiraNuna | did anyone try? |
| 06:56.37 | Sts|office | possibly qwerty12_N800 |
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| 07:00.02 | LiraNuna | /bin/sh is not a symlink? |
| 07:01.33 | Sts|office | it's busybox so there's bashisms |
| 07:01.55 | qwerty12_N800 | LiraNuna: If you're using it as a boot shell, make it accept '.' as 'source'. Unless yoou wanna change a loot of init scripts... |
| 07:02.43 | LiraNuna | 'source' ? |
| 07:03.01 | LiraNuna | I'm not sure I understand |
| 07:03.27 | Sts|office | yeah, bash understands the command 'source', dash doesn't :P |
| 07:03.35 | Sts|office | as it's a full posix shell |
| 07:03.58 | LiraNuna | well I'm more interested in it as a login shell |
| 07:04.07 | qwerty12_N800 | That said, dash isn't that awesome on a tablet anyway - busybox's ash really does strike a good balance between speed and features |
| 07:04.33 | LiraNuna | ash isn't that good in some key combos I like |
| 07:04.33 | qwerty12_N800 | Bleh, I need a real keyboard. |
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| 07:08.10 | X-Fade | Ah, the joys of SAS internet checkin: No passenger found |
| 07:09.12 | Sts|office | neat :P |
| 07:09.16 | qwerty12 | "It's a conspiracy!" |
| 07:09.30 | Sts|office | X-Fade: notice the hovering black helicopters above? ;) |
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| 07:09.53 | Sts|office | tries to turn his freerunner into a bluetooth gps |
| 07:10.04 | X-Fade | Sts|office: Nah, that airline is just broken ;) |
| 07:10.30 | Sts|office | i'm still waiting on the hotel info even though the guy said it'll come within hours :P |
| 07:10.39 | Sts|office | +few |
| 07:11.09 | X-Fade | Ah, well I have just put my name on the wiki page and hope it will work if I show up at the hotel ;) |
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| 07:18.45 | rmt_ | Ok - xmodmap installed, and I finally have a | key. :) |
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| 07:19.18 | rmt_ | Almost nobody outside Japan needs the Yen symbol, but everyone needs the pipe character! :-P |
| 07:20.00 | LiraNuna | :O |
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| 07:22.33 | X-Fade | rmt_: and tab is also something that you need to map ;) |
| 07:23.02 | crashanddie | rmt_, not everyone needs the pipe character... |
| 07:23.23 | rmt_ | crashanddie, *GASP* How do they live? |
| 07:24.26 | crashanddie | rmt_, dunno, never met one |
| 07:24.32 | crashanddie | Just heard about 'em folks |
| 07:24.54 | rmt_ | Hmm.. pound! Almost nobody uses the pound key! Maybe Yen should be tab, and pound should be bar. |
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| 07:32.24 | crashanddie | rmt_, fuck off |
| 07:32.32 | rmt_ | :-P |
| 07:33.13 | crashanddie | $ ain't worth squat, and the euro sign is an inbred piece of shit :P |
| 07:33.38 | crashanddie | It was so much easier when half europe was using Francs, just a bloody F |
| 07:34.33 | rmt_ | I think the 3 letter currency symbol is fine for most purposes. |
| 07:35.13 | rmt_ | And if I want no confusion, I use that.. or AUD$ or US$ |
| 07:35.21 | rmt_ | But GBP serves the purpose. |
| 07:35.51 | rmt_ | As does EUR.. but I find ⬠easier to write than £ |
| 07:36.03 | rmt_ | assumes UTF-8 |
| 07:36.16 | crashanddie | rmt_, assumed correctly |
| 07:36.33 | crashanddie | rmt_, yet, on a British keyboard, it really isn't all that complicated to type |
| 07:36.45 | crashanddie | shift + 3 = £ |
| 07:36.50 | crashanddie | shit + 4 = $ |
| 07:36.58 | crashanddie | alt + 4 = |
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| 07:37.19 | qwerty12 | crashanddie: not on this POS keyboard |
| 07:37.25 | qwerty12 | The Euro symbol, that is |
| 07:37.26 | rmt_ | Hmm, most new US-style keyboards have ⬠on 5 |
| 07:37.29 | crashanddie | qwerty12, yeah but you're poor |
| 07:37.35 | qwerty12 | damn, found out :( |
| 07:37.43 | rmt_ | And they miss the £ *pokes tongue out* |
| 07:37.45 | crashanddie | anyway, gotta go to work |
| 07:37.52 | rmt_ | When is the UK switching to euros, anyway? |
| 07:37.57 | crashanddie | NEVAH |
| 07:38.16 | crashanddie | I got completely screwed over when I arrived here |
| 07:38.33 | crashanddie | they'd better not move to euros just yet, need to strengthen quite a bit still |
| 07:38.40 | rmt_ | Hah. |
| 07:38.52 | rmt_ | Going to the UK is always a bad idea. :-) |
| 07:39.10 | crashanddie | arrived here, was offered a job package that had the same figures as in mainland europe, but with a currency worth 1.5 the euro |
| 07:39.24 | rmt_ | I amuse myself at the UK folks who moved to spain. :) |
| 07:39.56 | crashanddie | started working, 2 weeks later, the world melts the fuck down, and when you include transaction fees and all that shit, I get a 1:1 ratio |
| 07:39.59 | rmt_ | Had to move back with currency fluctuations, only to find out they can't afford any houses back home either. :-P |
| 07:40.31 | rmt_ | crashanddie, I had a fairly simple choice .. UK or Netherlands, if I wanted decent contract rates.. I chose the better option. :) |
| 07:40.45 | crashanddie | rmt_, actually, the netherlands is about to start a new programme |
| 07:40.54 | crashanddie | rmt_, to get specific skills into the country |
| 07:41.06 | crashanddie | rmt_, watch out for that, if you're accepted, you get a 10 year tax cut |
| 07:41.13 | rmt_ | Luckily, I have a gf already.. otherwise the UK and its excellent immigration programme would've been better. :) |
| 07:41.21 | rmt_ | crashanddie, That's not new. |
| 07:41.31 | rmt_ | crashanddie, I had it.. 30% ruling.. |
| 07:41.36 | rmt_ | Top 30% of your income is tax free. |
| 07:41.53 | rmt_ | I'm still on it, actually.. I need to deregister, 'cause it's eating into my 10 year allowance. |
| 07:42.11 | crashanddie | best still: don't spend more than 3 months in a country per year |
| 07:42.17 | rmt_ | Just 3 more months of dutch health insurance, then I'll move to Germany and deregister. |
| 07:42.27 | crashanddie | just pick out 4 countries, hire a flat in each of those for 3 months |
| 07:42.30 | rmt_ | crashanddie, You sure it's 3? |
| 07:42.37 | crashanddie | yeah it's like 112 days |
| 07:42.47 | crashanddie | so 3 months to give you some room |
| 07:43.05 | rmt_ | 6 months is the normal ruling for tax liability .. but I'm not sure what it is if your <6 months in three countries. |
| 07:43.26 | crashanddie | well, 6 months in 3 countries per year is getting quite tricky :D |
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| 07:43.42 | crashanddie | fuuuuuuck, I'm late |
| 07:43.46 | crashanddie | gotta go# |
| 07:43.55 | rmt_ | A German guy I know normally spends the northern winter in Australia on a business visa.. one year he was there for over 6 months.. |
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| 07:44.12 | rmt_ | The aussies didn't want to tax him because of his visa type, and the German government didn't want to either. Lucky him. |
| 07:44.13 | qwerty12 | crashanddie: see the effect #maemo has on people? >.< |
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| 07:46.17 | Macer | hm |
| 07:46.19 | *** topic/#maemo by crashanddie -> Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Warning: #maemo is perilous for your job. |
| 07:46.20 | Macer | mushroom men is god |
| 07:46.24 | Macer | the spore wars :) |
| 07:46.27 | crashanddie | lol :P |
| 07:46.46 | Macer | something special to pull a spinnign fan in order to shred a bunny rabbit |
| 07:46.55 | Macer | :) |
| 07:47.26 | qwerty12 | Damn, you'd think 590x319 is a nice size for Diablo's HildonFileChooser >.< |
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| 07:53.04 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:54.28 | Sts|office | morning jaffaf |
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| 08:19.26 | johnx | I think there was some error linking my talk account to my maemo.org karma :) |
| 08:19.33 | johnx | I have 1 discussion point |
| 08:20.27 | X-Fade | johnx: Enough for you ;) |
| 08:20.44 | johnx | heh |
| 08:20.58 | Sts|office | right. 770, smartq5, n800, .. broken n800, camera |
| 08:21.00 | Sts|office | .. freerunner |
| 08:21.03 | Sts|office | wonders what else |
| 08:21.25 | johnx | n800, n810, zaurus, ... wii? |
| 08:21.57 | johnx | laptop *cough*from work*cough* |
| 08:22.22 | Macer | ugh |
| 08:22.25 | Macer | cd burning is so slow |
| 08:22.36 | Macer | why can a dvd burner go like 10MB/s and a cd burner goes 3? |
| 08:22.37 | Macer | :) |
| 08:22.48 | Sts|office | johnx: join the club |
| 08:23.03 | Macer | johnx: hey. how well does mer run on the wii? |
| 08:23.13 | johnx | not so hot yet |
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| 08:23.27 | johnx | it could run pretty well with a little more work, but I haven't gotten around to it yet |
| 08:23.28 | Macer | ah. i'm guessing you didn't get the internal wifi working also? |
| 08:23.41 | johnx | nope, used usb-ethernet adapter |
| 08:23.44 | johnx | it was like $3 |
| 08:23.53 | Macer | hm |
| 08:23.59 | Macer | ok. sorry. was just curious |
| 08:24.09 | Macer | i was looking at the distro they have out for it.. and well.. it looks like it sucks :) |
| 08:24.37 | johnx | err, debian/xwhiite isn't bad |
| 08:24.45 | Macer | no? |
| 08:24.46 | johnx | supports most of the hardware that is possible to support |
| 08:24.52 | Macer | what i missing? |
| 08:24.56 | Macer | just the wifi? |
| 08:24.59 | johnx | yup |
| 08:25.09 | Macer | does it use X at all? |
| 08:25.09 | johnx | and you can plug in any usb linux-supported wifi you want |
| 08:25.16 | Myrtti | GRRRH |
| 08:25.17 | johnx | has X, comes up with wiimote support |
| 08:25.21 | johnx | you can install debian packages |
| 08:25.23 | Macer | wow really? |
| 08:25.36 | Macer | hm. i have a usb wifi that i'm almost positive linux would be able to use |
| 08:25.45 | Macer | why doesn't the internal wifi work? |
| 08:25.48 | Macer | isn't it just a linksys? |
| 08:25.56 | Macer | like an atheros or broadcom or something? |
| 08:26.12 | johnx | it might be just different enough from the desktop version |
| 08:26.18 | Macer | oh... was also wondering. does the distro come with wbfs support? |
| 08:26.20 | rm_you | Myrtti: ?? :P |
| 08:26.25 | johnx | I really don't know why it isn't supported , just that people said it would be hard |
| 08:26.30 | johnx | wbfs? |
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| 08:26.40 | Macer | wbfs = wii filesystem |
| 08:26.49 | Macer | i guess they made some sort of autoscrubbing filesystem for the wiii :) |
| 08:27.42 | Macer | i didn't believe it until i saw it. it's a lot easier to use than using a fat32 since the fat32 drive maxes out at 4GB and doesn't scrub |
| 08:27.57 | Macer | you have to scrub them manually and xfer them over and if you wind up with a game like smash bros that is like 8G you're just screwed |
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| 08:28.12 | Macer | i have over 80 games on a 400G drive now :) it's great |
| 08:28.26 | Macer | although about 75 of them work.. 5 of them are giving me problems that i can't figure out |
| 08:28.38 | Macer | anyways going to get some white castle since it's the only thing open and i'm hungry ... ttyl |
| 08:28.47 | johnx | have fun |
| 08:28.51 | johnx | don't get disentary |
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| 08:43.20 | timelys | Hello from Copenhagen |
| 08:43.49 | Sts|office | 'lo timelys, is it as windy there as here? :P |
| 08:44.35 | timelys | Dunno, haven't reclaimed my luggage yet |
| 08:44.51 | Sts|office | ah |
| 08:45.35 | Myrtti | god I love my N800 ⥠|
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| 08:48.49 | timelys | Anyone know how to get to the hotel from the airport? |
| 08:49.22 | Sts|office | cabinn? grab metro M2 towards Vanløse |
| 08:49.33 | Sts|office | drop off at Forum station |
| 08:50.12 | Sts|office | it's 4 min walk from there |
| 08:50.48 | timelys | Thanks |
| 08:51.37 | X-Fade | Seems easy enough ;) |
| 08:51.38 | rm_you | Myrtti: :P |
| 08:51.57 | rm_you | timelys: ah, got in early to get all set up for our arrivals? :P |
| 08:51.58 | Sts|office | X-Fade: it would have been hell before the metro |
| 08:52.25 | X-Fade | Sts|office: Never been there, so haven't had the pleasure yet ;) |
| 08:52.46 | Sts|office | and don't be scared that there seems to be no driver in the metro |
| 08:52.47 | Sts|office | :P |
| 08:53.21 | timelys | Umm, i have other things I need to do tonight and tomorrow |
| 08:53.44 | timelys | Which preclude arriving them |
| 08:53.49 | timelys | Err then |
| 08:54.04 | timelys | T9 isn't perfect :-( |
| 08:54.44 | timelys | Sts, are you reading a wikitravel page? |
| 08:55.05 | Sts|office | no, i checked out the route before :) |
| 08:55.15 | Sts|office | as i'm taking it tomorrow |
| 08:55.44 | timelys | Planning ahead ... How ... Odd |
| 08:55.50 | X-Fade | heh ;) |
| 08:56.02 | Sts|office | being slightly autistic about planning sometimes helps :P |
| 08:56.15 | timelys | Do plant wait for baggage |
| 08:56.40 | Sts|office | yeah, i expect to be waiting at least an hour for the other peeps :P |
| 08:56.57 | RST38h | no, t9 definitely is not working |
| 08:57.42 | timelys | The signs will list a belt and the minutes until it will have your flight |
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| 08:58.12 | timelys | Rst. That's my phone eating keys |
| 08:58.17 | Sts|office | will be going to cph with train |
| 08:58.43 | timelys | No fair |
| 08:58.58 | timelys | Heh |
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| 08:59.14 | timelys | Minutes: delayed |
| 09:00.11 | Sts|office | "ERR: luggage caught fire" |
| 09:01.35 | rm_you | lol |
| 09:01.37 | lcuk | writes gate number on side of hand :$ |
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| 09:02.19 | lcuk | i keepforgetting which and having to dive into bag to get boarding pass, so i learn to just write it on, its quicker and simpler |
| 09:03.04 | Macer | what does scarlet fever come from? |
| 09:03.11 | rm_you | lcuk: you bringing your unflashable n800 with you for us to look at? :P |
| 09:03.13 | Macer | i know it's an advancement of something |
| 09:03.17 | Macer | pneumonia? |
| 09:03.33 | rm_you | Macer: light red fever -> scarlet fever? :P |
| 09:03.45 | lcuk | yeah rm_you i can do |
| 09:03.52 | rm_you | cool |
| 09:03.59 | lcuk | are they safe to just lob into luggage |
| 09:04.06 | Macer | i'm watching the reader |
| 09:04.12 | lcuk | i dont want to go through security and drop a whole collection |
| 09:04.22 | Macer | nothing beats watching a post nazi film about germany :) |
| 09:05.44 | Macer | ze germans! |
| 09:10.06 | rm_you | lcuk: i always carry them on |
| 09:11.04 | lcuk | thud thud thud thud! as they drop into the security box, i hate carrying so much tech \@/ (lap+2 810s+now 800) |
| 09:11.35 | Sts|office | i wouldn't get through security if i was flying. |
| 09:11.38 | Macer | the reader is like teenage fantasy |
| 09:11.39 | Macer | haha |
| 09:11.48 | lcuk | maybe i could sync them up so they show a movie to the xray scanner person |
| 09:11.52 | lcuk | one frmae per device |
| 09:12.04 | Sts|office | "I" "AM" "NOT" "A" "TERRORIST"? ;) |
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| 09:13.59 | lcuk | not exactly what i was thinking |
| 09:14.03 | rm_you | lol |
| 09:14.11 | rm_you | lcuk: i take SO much tech through |
| 09:14.21 | lcuk | "maemo devices" |
| 09:14.26 | lcuk | "they are great" |
| 09:14.34 | lcuk | "make you happy" |
| 09:14.38 | lcuk | "burma shave!" |
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| 09:14.42 | Sts|office | lcuk: and then the "A" tablet dies |
| 09:14.50 | Sts|office | err. |
| 09:14.51 | Sts|office | NOT |
| 09:14.52 | lcuk | switch to B game |
| 09:14.54 | lcuk | thats easy |
| 09:15.13 | lcuk | i flip out the memory card put it in different one |
| 09:15.19 | rm_you | lcuk: laptop, n800, DS, bluetooth keybord, gps, nintendo DS, cellphone, about a billion cables... |
| 09:15.21 | lcuk | and carry on |
| 09:15.22 | lcuk | hopefully |
| 09:16.00 | lcuk | rm_you, i am almost certain you are getting a cavity search |
| 09:16.09 | rm_you | lol |
| 09:16.24 | rm_you | havent yet |
| 09:16.26 | lcuk | if a security officer sees all that hes gonna get jealous |
| 09:17.01 | rm_you | though coming BACK to the US is a little scary always cause if you look at customs wrong they can just TAKE your stuff indefinitely and if they find copyrighted material on it they will just turn it over to the MPAA/RIAA |
| 09:17.02 | rm_you | >_> |
| 09:17.33 | lcuk | you're screwed then :p |
| 09:17.46 | rm_you | lol |
| 09:18.06 | lcuk | on the way back from the summit i had my bags searched |
| 09:18.17 | lcuk | i opened it at home and found a letter from security in it |
| 09:18.27 | lcuk | thankfully they let it through |
| 09:18.31 | rm_you | did they find your explosives / drugs? :P |
| 09:18.44 | rm_you | lol i get one of those letters EVERY SINGLE TIME I FLY |
| 09:18.56 | rm_you | did get one from the german customs AND the US customs |
| 09:19.03 | lcuk | first ever time for me :$ |
| 09:19.28 | timelys | Ok bags arriving |
| 09:19.56 | lcuk | timelys, cool |
| 09:20.08 | lcuk | has been sent a CV from a zulu |
| 09:20.10 | timelys | Bag claimed :) |
| 09:20.46 | qwerty12 | RST38h: fMSX351.zip's Maemo folder is still non-existent :) |
| 09:26.03 | rm_you | timelys: o/ |
| 09:26.33 | rm_you | see you in a couple days :P |
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| 09:30.51 | Macer | wow. the reader is depressing |
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| 10:00.27 | Macer | do they still have concentration camps in germany? |
| 10:00.35 | Macer | like.. as memorials or s omething? |
| 10:02.03 | Sts|office | tourist attractions, maybe |
| 10:02.17 | rm_you | O_o |
| 10:02.26 | qwerty12 | Attractions? *shivers* |
| 10:02.46 | Macer | haha |
| 10:03.04 | Macer | i'm just curious because i'm watching the reader and he is walking through one |
| 10:03.10 | Macer | and there are skeletons all over the place |
| 10:03.16 | rm_you | "the reader"? |
| 10:03.20 | rm_you | wtf |
| 10:03.23 | rm_you | stage? |
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| 10:03.30 | rm_you | greenscreen? |
| 10:03.40 | Macer | it could be. don't know. |
| 10:03.42 | rm_you | o_O |
| 10:03.44 | Macer | not a gree screen |
| 10:03.53 | Macer | although sometimes it is hard to tell nowadays :) |
| 10:03.56 | Sts|office | Macer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz_concentration_camp#After_the_war |
| 10:04.43 | Sts|office | so they're still around, probably to remind of the horrors that happened there |
| 10:04.57 | rm_you | yeah O_o |
| 10:05.06 | rm_you | well, on THAT note, off to bed |
| 10:05.16 | rm_you | see ya'll in like... a day and a half |
| 10:05.32 | Sts|office | yep, cya |
| 10:05.34 | rm_you | err, two days ? |
| 10:05.40 | Sts|office | thu here :P |
| 10:05.45 | Sts|office | so in about 25 hours |
| 10:05.47 | rm_you | one day :P |
| 10:05.51 | rm_you | lolk |
| 10:06.10 | rm_you | sleeps |
| 10:07.42 | Macer | Sts|office: the reader is about the trials after the war |
| 10:09.00 | Macer | young high school kid falls in love with a woman .. goes to law school... and finds out the woman he fell in love with was an ss agent who is on trial for wars against humanity |
| 10:09.47 | Macer | older woman actually. twice his age :) teaches him about precious bodily fluids |
| 10:09.53 | Macer | during the art of love making |
| 10:09.54 | Macer | haha |
| 10:10.22 | RST38h | This is screwed up |
| 10:11.09 | RST38h | Sounds as if no reasonable amount of controlled substances can motivate these script writers any more. |
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| 10:12.07 | Macer | goddamn kate winslett is old as hell |
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| 10:15.47 | timelys | Sts: yes wind. Yes pain drops |
| 10:15.58 | timelys | Or rain drops |
| 10:17.05 | Macer | wow. german prison in 1976 doesn't seem too bad |
| 10:17.17 | Macer | they get tape players and stuff |
| 10:17.34 | qwerty12 | Macer: http://www.hemmy.net/2007/09/29/austrian-five-star-prison/ :> |
| 10:18.44 | Macer | wtf?? :) |
| 10:18.47 | Macer | holy shit |
| 10:19.02 | Macer | how do you get into that place? if i were in austria i would be breaking hte law on purpose |
| 10:22.15 | Macer | blah. this movie isn't as interesting now that the trialisover |
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| 10:42.41 | Macer | qwerty12: hahahah |
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| 10:42.52 | Macer | the pic where they show the inmate with a huge smile playing ping pong is a riot |
| 10:43.05 | qwerty12 | hehe |
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| 10:45.44 | Macer | i guess kate winslet doesn't look that babd |
| 10:45.45 | Macer | bad |
| 10:45.49 | Macer | :) for a 34 yr old |
| 10:46.18 | Macer | she won an oscar for the reader |
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| 11:05.38 | Macer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Birkenau25August1944.jpg |
| 11:05.40 | Macer | wow |
| 11:05.45 | Macer | that place is huge |
| 11:06.07 | Macer | it's a picture from an airplane and they were sending so many people there that you can see the prisoners from the sky |
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| 11:11.09 | Robot101 | Macer: yeah, its big. and very, very depressing. :( |
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| 11:11.30 | Macer | yah |
| 11:11.49 | Macer | i think the best movie to ever describe it was schindler's list |
| 11:12.00 | wazd | threre is a chimney on the engine room but no chimney on the gas chamber itself |
| 11:12.21 | Macer | why would you need a chimney on the chamber? |
| 11:12.28 | qwerty12 | I don't think that they wanted those gases to escape... |
| 11:13.09 | wazd | Macer: cause these gases are deadly. You need to throw em away high up in the sky to prevent presonnel casualities |
| 11:13.31 | Robot101 | wazd: they didn't care about their personnel, they used other prisoners to do the dirty work and then killed them later |
| 11:14.08 | wazd | Robot101: well, don't think that guards were prisoners too |
| 11:14.36 | Macer | i am sure the germans had an efficient and safe way of committing mass murder |
| 11:15.09 | Robot101 | wazd: no, but the people moving the bodies around were |
| 11:15.27 | RST38h | moo wazd |
| 11:15.32 | wazd | RST38h: heya |
| 11:15.57 | wazd | Are there any live video sources from D7 btw? |
| 11:16.55 | Macer | if you search for nazi death camp on google videos you can see the disgustingness of the death camps |
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| 11:19.21 | wazd | Macer: in fat I'm not interested, just was curious bout the photo |
| 11:19.43 | Macer | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3464847706951809005&ei=QnIeSpbHGKryqAPXsaC6Bg&q=nazi+death+camp |
| 11:21.11 | lcuk2 | urg, what happened to lightheartedness :S ill come back later |
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| 11:23.33 | RST38h | wazd: btw almost made ti73 work |
| 11:23.47 | wazd | http://s60.radikal.ru/i169/0905/97/95cd8bf04bf8.png , http://s45.radikal.ru/i107/0905/4d/0f7d47ebd43f.png , what do you think bout that type of settings arranging? |
| 11:24.03 | wazd | RST38h: nice, I guess I must enable it on the image?) |
| 11:24.43 | RST38h | wazd: not yet, the hardware is somewhat different from 83+, need to fogire out how |
| 11:24.50 | lcuk2 | wazd, those look *really* nice :) |
| 11:25.05 | RST38h | wazd: as to those menus, I would move < and X farther away |
| 11:25.07 | rmt_ | http://dpaste.de/sxFH/ |
| 11:25.19 | RST38h | wazd: i.e. place them in the corners |
| 11:25.43 | rmt_ | Thinking of ways to create super simple maemo interfaces.. a flowable widget is a good one.. :-) |
| 11:26.08 | lcuk2 | rmt_, post in the maemo optimization thread on tmo |
| 11:26.10 | rmt_ | Sorry - create more complex maemo interfaces in a super simple way. :) |
| 11:26.12 | RST38h | wazd: *probable* make color sample spots a big bigger |
| 11:26.17 | rmt_ | lcuk2, url? |
| 11:26.18 | wazd | RST38h: well, Fremantle has the cross in exactly same place, I thought it would be good to follow some of the gguidelines :) |
| 11:26.21 | RST38h | probably, sorry |
| 11:26.26 | RST38h | wazd: ah |
| 11:26.27 | RST38h | ok |
| 11:26.53 | RST38h | Now I remember, Freemantle has got that ugly elongated button around the cross |
| 11:27.11 | wazd | RST38h: sort of :D |
| 11:27.20 | lcuk2 | rmt_, and have you seen how organic liqbase is - flowing between multiple ui elements and ending up at a single focued highlighted specific item? |
| 11:27.21 | lcuk2 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=290974 |
| 11:27.37 | rmt_ | lcuk2, I think that I can rewrite that in Vala.. maybe throw in a Lua interface.. then we can have our own widget toolkit :-) |
| 11:27.56 | rmt_ | lcuk2, Not really.. must check out liqbase a bit more. |
| 11:28.11 | rmt_ | Unfortunately, I should be working on other things right now, so I'm going to do that. :) |
| 11:28.13 | RST38h | wazd: otherwise looks cool =) |
| 11:28.14 | lcuk2 | yeah, the latest video shows a few more of its capabilities |
| 11:28.25 | wazd | lcuk2: I have 1 idea for your search |
| 11:28.29 | lcuk2 | likes wazd's latest |
| 11:28.48 | lcuk2 | only 1 wazd, i thought it might start to inspire more :) |
| 11:28.53 | wazd | lcuk2: If you type "21 may" it should show your calendar appointments there |
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| 11:29.10 | lcuk2 | yes wazd, the aim is to have ALL liq* elements filterable |
| 11:29.15 | lcuk2 | and the search on the front |
| 11:29.58 | lcuk2 | as i say in the video it was just a starting point, but the concept works from the few that i tried it with, its being standardized and adapted to work with the other piecs |
| 11:31.39 | lcuk2 | rmt_, vala has its own widget toolkit - GTK |
| 11:31.55 | lcuk2 | isnt vala and gobject and gtk all intertwined already :) |
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| 11:32.30 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk2: pretty sure it can be used with SDL too, for example |
| 11:33.26 | rmt_ | lcuk2, poor wording, yes.. But I mean super simple scriptable widgets. :) |
| 11:34.35 | lcuk2 | but vala IS super scriptable gtk widgets already isnt it? (cool qwerty12_N800, i also suppose itwill work with other libraries too) |
| 11:35.21 | lcuk2 | you dont have to make gtk widgets out of heavy components, you can start with containers and labels and pictures and work from there |
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| 11:35.53 | juergbi | lcuk2: you can also make a ncurses application with vala if you really want to ;) |
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| 11:36.34 | lcuk2 | heh juergbi |
| 11:37.53 | rmt_ | lcuk2, I'd like to add support for easier HTTP requests.. XML page layout, etc. |
| 11:38.19 | rmt_ | And local storage. |
| 11:38.22 | lcuk2 | oh, thats simple then - use qt instead of vala |
| 11:38.27 | rmt_ | Hm? |
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| 11:40.30 | rmt_ | Seems silly to use anything but GTK on the device.. and low level code (and maybe lua for simple scripting) for post-prototypes. |
| 11:41.07 | rmt_ | Python's great for prototyping. And for desktop apps, I'd stick with it. But if I want a fast app on my 810 w/o too much pain, I think that Vala's the best choice. |
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| 11:41.40 | lcuk2 | what do you normally code in? |
| 11:41.59 | Jaffa | rmt_: had a chance to test the new extras-devel valac? |
| 11:43.19 | rmt_ | Jaffa - seems to work fine .. had to make some changes to my code for 0.7.3 though.. no Gtk.Widget.get_window() .. but not really needed on maemo, since I was using it to change the X cursor to a blank image. |
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| 11:44.59 | rmt_ | It's just a pity that VAPI has no support for targeting older versions. |
| 11:47.49 | Jaffa | rmt_: yeah |
| 11:48.28 | lcuk2 | Jaffa, did it ever become clear as to why vala parsing was so slow on device |
| 11:48.31 | rmt_ | Would be reasonably simple, I suspect.. just the version# each function was introduced at. |
| 11:49.00 | Jaffa | lcuk2: No idea. I don't know if the new version now in extras-devel has had improvements which'd give a significant speed increase. Feedback welcome :) |
| 11:50.28 | lcuk2 | yeah ill peek when i get a few mins and some space on / its the closest thing to cfront at the moment (due to native c production) |
| 11:51.59 | Jaffa | nods |
| 11:52.15 | Stskeeps_ | Jaffa, smartq devel programme will be 99$ (33$ rebate) btw |
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| 11:56.19 | jaska | is there mer status page somewhere?:P |
| 11:57.10 | andre___ | status means...? like roadmap? |
| 11:57.14 | andre___ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer |
| 11:57.16 | jaska | current condition |
| 11:57.41 | lcuk2 | mer heartbeat page should be good |
| 11:57.54 | lcuk2 | "ismerreadyfordailyuseyet.com" |
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| 11:58.03 | Stskeeps_ | jaska: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/cphnotes.pdf is a presentation i'm giving tomorrow |
| 11:58.06 | lcuk2 | should have a no and a yes only |
| 11:58.43 | Stskeeps_ | err, saturday |
| 11:59.47 | Stskeeps_ | which also gives an overview where we're lacking |
| 11:59.56 | Stskeeps_ | but the best way is really to try it out and see where we're lacking |
| 12:00.03 | Stskeeps_ | some people already use it day to day |
| 12:00.31 | lcuk2 | yes |
| 12:00.36 | jaska | mostly wondering which hardware bits dont yet work, iirc sound was an issue before atleast, havent been keeping an eye all that closely |
| 12:01.45 | wazd | Stskeeps_: wowowow |
| 12:02.02 | Jaffa | Stskeeps_: cool - I think I want :) |
| 12:02.05 | wazd | Stskeeps_: let me remake the slide with devices :) |
| 12:02.19 | Stskeeps_ | sound status: marc (?) has made omap2-dsp pulseaudio plugin, we need DSP tasks from Maemo to have it working with ALSA |
| 12:02.22 | Stskeeps_ | -> jaska |
| 12:03.04 | Stskeeps_ | but we cant use pulseaudio plugin yet as it doesnt build on recent pulseaudio :) |
| 12:03.04 | Jaffa | Stskeeps_: how many available? Are you getting them and going to decide who's eligible? (Sounds most sensible) |
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| 12:03.45 | Stskeeps_ | Jaffa: 10 rebates, and i'll decide based on skill and proposal related to improving mer experience, with focus on the smartq devices |
| 12:04.01 | Stskeeps_ | kinda like with the CPH sponsorship form |
| 12:04.27 | Stskeeps_ | so it's 10 best proposals matched with ability to actually do them :P |
| 12:04.28 | Jaffa | Stskeeps_: sounds like a plan |
| 12:04.38 | Jaffa | heh |
| 12:07.01 | Stskeeps_ | and it'll get shipped from singapore-- i asked if it is 33$ off either a Q5 or a Q7 |
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| 12:10.46 | Stskeeps_ | jaska: we have an unfortunate dependancy on some closed blobs but i hope to work out a method this weekend so we can deal with them more sanely than adding a updates repository.. |
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| 12:12.37 | lcuk2 | will keep fingers out of doors |
| 12:13.01 | X-Fade | lcuk2: Different country, so you should be ok :) |
| 12:13.21 | lcuk2 | different country, new rules |
| 12:13.35 | lcuk2 | im not sticking my fingers into anything thats not made of nerf |
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| 12:29.45 | thopiekar | hi |
| 12:34.51 | Jaffa | hi thopiekar |
| 12:35.06 | thopiekar | hey Jaffa |
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| 12:44.27 | GAN8001 | Sheesh, even Peter can't spell Community Council right. |
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| 12:44.57 | Stskeeps_ | morning GAN800 |
| 12:44.59 | Stskeeps_ | +1 |
| 12:45.04 | qwerty12_N800 | Time to get the stick out? ;) |
| 12:45.14 | Stskeeps_ | GAN8001: Mer'll be basis of Ubuntu MID btw |
| 12:45.19 | Stskeeps_ | session was today |
| 12:45.21 | GAN8001 | Nice |
| 12:45.36 | Jaffa | Stskeeps_: Woohoo! |
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| 12:45.53 | Stskeeps_ | either that or i'm delusional, ;) |
| 12:46.06 | Jaffa | Stskeeps_: Does that mean sponsorship/support from Canoncial? Or just some Ubuntu folks helping out? |
| 12:46.14 | Stskeeps_ | 3 good packagers are always gooda |
| 12:46.17 | Stskeeps_ | and interest from community |
| 12:46.45 | Stskeeps_ | it'll be a cooperation, not a merge :P |
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| 12:48.37 | GAN8001 | goes to work. |
| 12:48.43 | lcuk2 | Stskeeps_, can we expect fist fights on pay per view? |
| 12:49.01 | lcuk2 | GAN8001 you have a job? |
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| 13:02.57 | GAN800 | ouch, lcuk2. |
| 13:03.17 | Pavlov | hah |
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| 13:05.16 | andrewfblack | GAN800: You around |
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| 13:07.06 | GAN800 | andrewfblack, only vaguely. |
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| 13:10.02 | lcuk2 | GAN800, seriously, when did you get a job, thought you were still in uni? |
| 13:10.05 | andrewfblack | GAN800: sent a pm to you |
| 13:10.14 | lcuk2 | i know you had a summer thing a while back (last summer) |
| 13:10.18 | lcuk2 | but thats it |
| 13:11.06 | Stskeeps_ | lo andrewfblack :) |
| 13:11.18 | andrewfblack | Hey Stskeeps_ |
| 13:11.29 | andrewfblack | how are things on your side of the world |
| 13:12.19 | Stskeeps_ | andrewfblack: good, getting packed for tomorrow, happy that it seems like Mer will be basis of Ubuntu MID in Karmic. :) |
| 13:12.45 | andrewfblack | cool |
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| 13:13.28 | Stskeeps_ | and that we are finally getting to a point where i can tell the maemo.org world about developer rebates for smartq5/7 :P |
| 13:14.33 | andrewfblack | nice how good are the rebates? |
| 13:14.50 | Stskeeps_ | 33$ rebate, so you can buy it for 99$ |
| 13:15.28 | Stskeeps_ | huh.. |
| 13:15.37 | Stskeeps_ | what is thing thing i found on the smartq ftp.. |
| 13:15.55 | Stskeeps_ | it looks like maemo |
| 13:16.34 | GAN800 | lcuk2, summer job at the bookstore again. :p |
| 13:17.06 | lcuk2 | good for you GAN800 nice to know you are still welcome even if it is dull |
| 13:17.13 | Stskeeps_ | did anyone hear anything about Marvell and Maemo btw? i heard from the smartq people that marvell uses maemo as reference for MID stuff |
| 13:17.35 | GAN800 | lcuk2, they'd take me back with 2 hours notice for a half-day here. ;) |
| 13:17.59 | lcuk2 | you must smell like old books lol |
| 13:18.15 | GAN800 | And dull isn't the word I would use. ;) |
| 13:18.29 | GAN800 | I can't smell them anymore so maybe. |
| 13:18.47 | lcuk2 | tracy used to work in a book store |
| 13:18.56 | lcuk2 | the worst line she got from customers was: |
| 13:19.01 | lcuk2 | "im looking for a book...." |
| 13:19.08 | lcuk2 | "its ummm red" |
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| 13:19.54 | sjgadsby | Heh. That sounds about right, lcuk2. |
| 13:20.22 | lcuk2 | yeah sjgadsby, it only got worse and worse as christmas got closer ;) |
| 13:20.29 | Jaffa | lcuk2: Mao's Cultural Revolution Red Book? CD-audio spec? IBM RedBook series? |
| 13:20.33 | sjgadsby | My wife used to work in a Borders. I tried repeatedly to get her to tell customers that, "The blue section is over there." |
| 13:20.33 | andrewfblack | Stskeeps_: for $99 I would by one lol any chance of them coming to US or am I going ot have to import one? |
| 13:20.54 | Stskeeps_ | andrewfblack: mailed from singapore, 132$ is normal retail price |
| 13:20.57 | lcuk2 | haha |
| 13:21.24 | andrewfblack | Stskeeps_: where do you order then from? |
| 13:21.47 | Myrtti | books ⥠|
| 13:21.56 | Stskeeps_ | qwerty12_N800: around? |
| 13:21.59 | Stskeeps_ | i have a true WTF for you |
| 13:22.15 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps_: Sounds... fun |
| 13:22.39 | Stskeeps_ | qwerty12_N800: i am digging in what seems to be a marvell maemo implementation, and there's a galculator deb laying there |
| 13:22.41 | Stskeeps_ | guess who's maintainer? |
| 13:22.55 | qwerty12_N800 | I'm innocent! |
| 13:23.06 | Stskeeps_ | now i know why you quit ;p |
| 13:23.53 | Stskeeps_ | (to get big money at marvell!) |
| 13:24.03 | qwerty12_N800 | Only one I ever stuck my name upon, as a maintainer, is the one in Extras. Oh, and the one in Mer. |
| 13:24.05 | qwerty12_N800 | Lol |
| 13:24.55 | sjgadsby | doesn't believe qwerty12_N800 is innocent of much of anything. |
| 13:25.59 | qwerty12_N800 | That reminds me, Matan sent me a mail a long while ago with a DBus service file attached. I guess there is no harm in making galculator osso_initialize. |
| 13:26.16 | qwerty12_N800 | Gee, sjgadsby, thanks for the confidence vote :) |
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| 13:28.33 | andrewfblack | Just talked to Reggie Minimalist theme update will be uploaded tonight should fit well on cell phones and rotated tablets |
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| 13:37.17 | thopiekar | how was the url of the wikipage, where was explaind which section name I should take when uploading to extras.. |
| 13:37.58 | X-Fade | thopiekar: https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Package_categories |
| 13:38.06 | thopiekar | thanks X-Fade |
| 13:38.07 | thopiekar | :) |
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| 13:40.13 | GAN800 | lcuk2! I get that all the time. |
| 13:40.30 | GAN800 | Worse yet, there's at least two millions books in this place. |
| 13:40.32 | lcuk2 | GAN800, yeah its annoying each time |
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| 13:40.37 | lcuk2 | tracy said it was the worst part of the job |
| 13:40.56 | GAN800 | 'It might have a football on the cover . . . or maybe a dog' |
| 13:41.17 | GAN800 | Nah, worst part is cleaning blood off the women's room toilet seats. |
| 13:41.34 | Jaffa | Pleasant. |
| 13:41.36 | andrewfblack | GAN800: I didn't need to know that |
| 13:41.38 | GAN800 | Or ejecting somebody for taking a piss in the middle of the sales floor. |
| 13:42.19 | GAN800 | Yeah, and I didn't need to see it. :P |
| 13:42.41 | lcuk2 | :S you have killed the illusion |
| 13:42.58 | thopiekar | X-Fade: ? |
| 13:43.19 | X-Fade | thopiekar: ?? |
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| 13:43.30 | lcuk2 | women are fairy princesses who hover over the seat and are freshly cleansed and dried by the cooling blossom scented spring breeze |
| 13:43.31 | oDuda | hello hello hello ! |
| 13:43.32 | thopiekar | I just uploaded a new version of portaudio to extras.. when is it online? |
| 13:43.50 | thopiekar | the build was successful.. |
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| 13:44.49 | oDuda | to remove gizmo-installer i need to remove osso-software package too, right ? so can i remove osso-software, then remove gizmo (and others dependants) and then reinstall osso-software ? |
| 13:45.21 | Stskeeps_ | curious fact: what i just found is Marvell's platform it seems, which is Diablo SDK in installed ARM form |
| 13:45.24 | X-Fade | oDuda: That will install gizmo again ;) |
| 13:45.34 | oDuda | ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh nooooooooooooooooooooooo hahahahah |
| 13:45.42 | Jaffa | oDuda: osso-software-version-rx* is a meta-package for SSUs. and what X-Fade said |
| 13:45.43 | oDuda | ty X-Fade ! |
| 13:45.48 | Stskeeps_ | will i be an idiot if i don't contact them and let them know what Mer is? :P |
| 13:46.06 | Stskeeps_ | (for their Marvell products, development boards, etc) |
| 13:46.08 | oDuda | ty Jaffa too... |
| 13:46.24 | Pavlov | any of you guys coming to this thing in copenhagen this weekend? |
| 13:46.39 | Jaffa | Stskeeps_: Sounds like they want Mer :) |
| 13:46.44 | GAN800 | lcuk2, you don't know the places I've cleansed of fecal matter. ;) |
| 13:46.49 | Stskeeps_ | Pavlov: johnx, me, luck, rm_you, etc |
| 13:46.53 | Pavlov | nice |
| 13:46.53 | Stskeeps_ | lcuk |
| 13:47.08 | Jaffa | GAN800: Makes you appreciate tmo? ;-) |
| 13:47.20 | Pavlov | hopefully this jetlag will be gone by then ;) |
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| 13:47.30 | oDuda | i need Mer ended and running pretty good... hellllllp hahah... |
| 13:48.14 | lcuk2 | oDuda, the best way to help is to jump in and fixup the bit that matters most to you personally |
| 13:48.34 | lcuk2 | GAN800, :S next thing you will be tellin me girls fart too |
| 13:48.42 | aquatix | ohnoes |
| 13:48.55 | oDuda | lcuk2: engaging to Mer ? i just ! |
| 13:48.56 | GAN800 | Jaffa, at this point, I think I prefer the fecal matter. :D At least I have tools that deal with THAT effectively. ;) |
| 13:49.18 | lcuk2 | you dont have a hardware shop that sells bungs? |
| 13:49.35 | lcuk2 | 2 for 1, you stop the trot and you also get inflatable ladies |
| 13:51.19 | thopiekar | i'm trying to build portaudio19.. v18 was the version i uploaded before, but I noticed that I need v19 for the future.. |
| 13:52.17 | thopiekar | maybe X-Fade or jeremiah_ can remember that I uploaded a newer version of asound to build it... |
| 13:52.35 | RST38h | andrew: thank you! (about that minimalist update) |
| 13:53.00 | thopiekar | but after they removed it because it breaked others builds it's now in extras as broken... |
| 13:53.09 | thopiekar | I tried to build it again but... |
| 13:53.10 | thopiekar | http://pastebin.com/d3c74891a |
| 13:53.35 | thopiekar | any suggestions how to fix that? |
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| 13:57.27 | thopiekar | :| |
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| 14:32.22 | jeremiah_ | thopiekar: You are most likely missing libs |
| 14:33.08 | thopiekar | is libasound splitted into different packages like qt4?? |
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| 14:34.48 | qwerty12_N800 | Would I be lynched, by the way, if I was to change the soname of a library? |
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| 14:39.55 | mgedmin | AFAIU you're supposed to do that when you break binary compatibility |
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| 14:40.43 | mgedmin | debian tends to ship both old and new versions of a library in separate packages so they both can be installed, until all software using the old one is fixed to use the new one |
| 14:44.54 | qwerty12_N800 | Thanks, I'll try and check out as to how they do it as I don't want to edit ld.conf or have a script setting a new LD_PRELOAD_PATH everytime a app using a newer library is run |
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| 14:46.08 | johh1 | is there a precompiled kernel, that shows console output instead of the nokia logo? |
| 14:46.43 | qwerty12_N800 | https://wiki.maemo.org/Advanced_booting |
| 14:47.24 | lopz | hola |
| 14:47.54 | johh1 | thanks |
| 14:51.21 | thopiekar | so jeremiah_ , qwerty12_N800.. how can I find out in which package the needed lib is? |
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| 14:55.55 | RST38h | Liquid helium trumps liquid hydrogen at AMD's Phenom II overclocking love-in! |
| 14:56.13 | RST38h | Overclockers Anonymous |
| 14:56.42 | luke-jr | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
| 14:56.45 | thopiekar | AMD's Phenom II rocks on my pc, too :P |
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| 15:01.11 | thopiekar | qwerty12: could you please help me with my problem.. |
| 15:01.12 | thopiekar | ? |
| 15:01.28 | Proteous | rectal itch isn't a topic we offer help on here |
| 15:01.40 | jeremiah_ | Are you sure? |
| 15:01.46 | Proteous | lol |
| 15:01.48 | Proteous | no |
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| 15:02.14 | thopiekar | or is asound really too old? |
| 15:02.51 | qwerty12 | Eurgh, I don't know what possessed me to "google images" "rectal itch". Looks like Goatse has a contender... |
| 15:02.56 | qwerty12 | thopiekar: Dunno, apt-file? |
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| 15:03.47 | thopiekar | qwerty12: do you mean whether I installed it from the closed binaries? |
| 15:03.49 | thopiekar | no |
| 15:03.53 | thopiekar | hopefully |
| 15:03.54 | thopiekar | :P |
| 15:04.28 | thopiekar | so deactivating the closed bin'S and reinstall? |
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| 15:11.52 | thopiekar | is reinstalling libasound from http://repository.maemo.org diablo/sdk/free ... |
| 15:12.24 | jeremiah_ | qwerty12: lol |
| 15:12.34 | jeremiah_ | You are a glutton for punishment |
| 15:12.53 | jeremiah_ | I hope you didn't click on the famous Goatse link . . . |
| 15:13.16 | qwerty12 | Not today :) |
| 15:13.38 | lcuk | cant click without letting go |
| 15:13.40 | thopiekar | qwerty12: ok same here.. |
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| 15:14.19 | jeremiah_ | I am going to give a talk on Maemo at a conference here next fall. |
| 15:14.24 | jeremiah_ | What should the title be? |
| 15:14.28 | thopiekar | qwerty12: what can I do now? |
| 15:14.37 | jeremiah_ | It is going to be a general introduction to Maemo |
| 15:14.39 | GAN800 | Jeremiah Does a Jig |
| 15:14.50 | qwerty12 | jeremiah_: "Package or die." |
| 15:14.53 | jeremiah_ | GAN800: That was last year's title. |
| 15:15.06 | jeremiah_ | qwerty12: That was the year before. :/ |
| 15:15.16 | qwerty12 | Hehe |
| 15:15.23 | Pavlov | i was told today im supposed to give a talk on saturday |
| 15:15.35 | jeremiah_ | Pavlov: Oh cool! I look forward to it! |
| 15:15.39 | GAN800 | 'Screw You Losers' |
| 15:15.46 | jeremiah_ | I'll be in the front row, heckling. |
| 15:15.52 | GAN800 | Pavlov, just IRC on stage? |
| 15:15.58 | jeremiah_ | Okay . . . |
| 15:16.05 | qwerty12 | thopiekar: Sounds like you're out of luck, Diablo's one is too old and you can't upgrade it or you'll break the repo. Welcome to Diablo. :) |
| 15:16.05 | Pavlov | wait, there is a stage now? |
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| 15:16.06 | Pavlov | ;) |
| 15:16.08 | jeremiah_ | My Talk will be: Maemo - Screw you losers. |
| 15:16.19 | Pavlov | gonna demo on windows mobile |
| 15:16.21 | thopiekar | :| |
| 15:16.24 | Pavlov | j/k |
| 15:17.36 | thopiekar | qwerty12: why is it so difficult to update libasound in diablo? |
| 15:17.40 | vhogemann | I saw an tear taskbar/bookmark plugin somewere in the foruns but I can't find the package for it... does it exists, or was just my imagination? |
| 15:17.56 | qwerty12 | vhogemann: tearbookmarks, in extras-devel |
| 15:18.10 | vhogemann | thanks! |
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| 15:36.15 | yutsai | hi, has anyone tested the frame rate of opengl es on beagle? |
| 15:36.33 | yutsai | s/opengl es/open gl2 |
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| 15:37.23 | thopiekar | cu |
| 15:42.48 | sjgadsby | Ooh, my new Mac Pro is here. |
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| 15:51.11 | eukreign3 | i'm using the vmware maemosdk, the scratchbox on there is pretty barebones (doesn't come with anything other than settings) |
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| 15:51.26 | eukreign3 | is there a way to get a webrowser on it? |
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| 15:53.03 | eukreign3 | i'm writing an application that requires doing some authentication via a webbrowser, so i need to be able to click on a link in my program and have it open a webbrowser |
| 15:56.10 | vhogemann | eukreign3, theres a python lib that does that |
| 15:56.12 | vhogemann | eukreign3, mechanize |
| 15:56.55 | vhogemann | eukreign3, I use it to automate some testing task in my work projects |
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| 16:00.50 | GAN800 | Boo! Hiss! @ Tim |
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| 16:03.01 | GAN800 | 'Maemo Sprints' urgh |
| 16:03.16 | eukreign3 | vhogemann: what does it automate? |
| 16:03.36 | eukreign3 | when i do: apt-cache search firefox |
| 16:03.38 | eukreign3 | nothing is returned |
| 16:03.45 | eukreign3 | what does maemo use for webbrowser? |
| 16:04.35 | Jaffa | GAN800: Perhaps not worth making a fuss ;-) |
| 16:05.33 | vhogemann | eukreign3, it's a browser implementation |
| 16:05.46 | vhogemann | it handles session, cookies, forms... |
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| 16:06.08 | eukreign3 | ah |
| 16:06.13 | eukreign3 | interesting |
| 16:06.58 | eukreign3 | wait, that's just an API |
| 16:07.02 | eukreign3 | i need an actual browser |
| 16:07.07 | vhogemann | Oh |
| 16:07.08 | eukreign3 | i don't need to automate anything |
| 16:07.14 | eukreign3 | i need an actual browser to open |
| 16:07.21 | eukreign3 | and display a page to the user |
| 16:07.25 | vhogemann | try searching for midori |
| 16:07.42 | eukreign3 | do you use the vmware maemosdk by any chance? |
| 16:07.54 | eukreign3 | i can't seem to access the internet from the scratchbox |
| 16:08.02 | eukreign3 | is that normal or is something misconfigured? |
| 16:08.09 | lcuk | eukreign3, is this the new one? |
| 16:08.24 | eukreign3 | yaeh, i think so, downloaded it a week ago |
| 16:08.26 | lcuk | the old one ive heard didnt know about internet (ive heard grumblings before about it) |
| 16:08.42 | lcuk | so if you do google searches im sure something will crop up |
| 16:09.19 | eukreign3 | looks like the scratch box doesn't even have ping installed :-) |
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| 16:11.01 | eukreign3 | lcuk: found some stuff about dns |
| 16:11.02 | GAN800 | Jaffa, clearly not considering the apparent result. :roll: |
| 16:11.05 | eukreign3 | will look at that |
| 16:11.45 | GAN800 | I can't decide if I want to bother with Modest's shit quoting to respond to any email. |
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| 16:15.03 | eukreign3 | lcuk: updating the resolv.conf in scratchbox fixed the connectivity issue, thanks! |
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| 16:17.15 | eukreign3 | still not sure how to get the browser installed |
| 16:17.41 | eukreign3 | when i apt-cache search for browser one of the things that comes up is: tablet-browser-interface |
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| 16:21.14 | eukreign3 | is it using microb? |
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| 16:31.18 | eukreign3 | i installed mtasks and when i start it in scratchbox i get the banner saying "mCalendar - Loading" then the banner disappears but nothing is loaded... |
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| 16:40.56 | fiferboy | lbt: I can't make your changes work in scratchbox or on my device |
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| 16:43.41 | coldboot | Where are the source packages in a maemo repository? |
| 16:43.56 | coldboot | So I've got gdb here: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/g/gdb/ |
| 16:44.16 | coldboot | And I need to get the source package. I need the old version, 6.6, though, so apt-get source is not going to get it. |
| 16:45.51 | qwerty12 | Er, 6.6 (with source) is right there. |
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| 16:46.16 | lbt | fiferboy: hmmm |
| 16:46.21 | lbt | what's up with them? |
| 16:46.21 | qwerty12 | But anyway, apt-get install devscripts && dget -x http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/g/gdb/gdb_6.6.dfsg-1+armel+osso1.dsc |
| 16:46.54 | fiferboy | In scratchbox running an application against the library results in a segfault |
| 16:47.14 | fiferboy | On the device it doesn't segfault, but the application doesn't ever initialize |
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| 16:49.56 | lbt | OK, I need to get a few things ready for the weekend... don't let me forget though :) |
| 16:56.38 | fiferboy | lbt: I'll take a look at my most recently running version and walk through the changes you made |
| 16:56.49 | fiferboy | Maybe I'll figure out where the problem is. |
| 16:59.19 | JamieBennett | anyone running the fremantle SDK in a VMWare image on Mac OS X? |
| 17:01.15 | coldboot | qwerty12: Which one is the source package? |
| 17:02.56 | coldboot | qwerty12: This one? gdb_6.6.dfsg.orig.tar.gz |
| 17:03.06 | coldboot | qwerty12: I guess so. |
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| 17:03.17 | qwerty12 | coldboot: gdb_6.6.dfsg-1+armel+osso1.dsc, gdb_6.6.dfsg.orig.tar.gz, gdb_6.6.dfsg-1+armel+osso1.diff.gz |
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| 17:04.12 | qwerty12 | The orig, being the original sources. The diff containing the modifications done by Maemo and the packaging and the dsc is a file which, if ran through dpkg-source -x, will extract the orig for you and apply the diff |
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| 17:07.19 | coldboot | How would you link gdb against libqthreads? |
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| 17:08.32 | coldboot | qwerty12: maemo's coreutils doesn't have md5sum |
| 17:09.19 | qwerty12 | On the device, or scratchbox? |
| 17:11.22 | woglinde | scratchbox |
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| 17:12.20 | vhogemann | Just took a look at canola and carman and found out about the Instituto Nokia de Tecnologia... Is anybody from there around? |
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| 17:14.08 | sjgadsby | I think the Canola folks hang out in #canola. |
| 17:14.39 | vhogemann | sjgadsby, thx |
| 17:15.25 | JamieBennett | I'm probably being a bit thick but when the documentation says add the following to sources.list "deb http://repository.maemo.org fremantle <dists>" what goes in the <dists> part? |
| 17:16.13 | qwerty12 | Try "free non-free" |
| 17:18.20 | JamieBennett | qwerty12 404 error. Trying to install python-clutter in scratchbox and failing :( |
| 17:18.31 | qwerty12 | Ah, sorry :( |
| 17:19.25 | lcuk | JamieBennett, i think you have to have gone to a special link, obtained a token to open up the restricted package repo list thing |
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| 17:20.07 | JamieBennett | lcuk, ummm, I know I haven't done anthing of that sorts yet. Can you point me in the right direction? |
| 17:20.14 | lcuk | http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5-0_installation/ |
| 17:20.21 | lcuk | yeah :P the installation instructions |
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| 17:20.42 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:20.43 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:20.48 | chx | OMG |
| 17:20.58 | JamieBennett | lcuk I've installed all that. Trying to install extra's |
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| 17:21.23 | JamieBennett | lcuk namely python-clutter |
| 17:21.26 | chx | lcuk: you are the liqbase god arent you? |
| 17:21.30 | chx | bows deep |
| 17:21.54 | lcuk | ahhh JamieBennett |
| 17:21.58 | lcuk | lol Chx |
| 17:22.02 | qwerty12 | JamieBennett: extras-devel? "deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free" |
| 17:22.39 | lcuk | has never been called a god before |
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| 17:23.54 | JamieBennett | Thanks qwerty12 ! The mail at gforge announcing the availability of the pyclutter |
| 17:24.00 | JamieBennett | package is wrong |
| 17:24.08 | JamieBennett | has the wrong link |
| 17:24.12 | lcuk | ooer |
| 17:27.17 | lcuk | chx, JamieBennett you are comin to copenhagen arent u |
| 17:27.27 | lcuk | -chx, |
| 17:27.47 | JamieBennett | lcuk Can't. I was scheduled to go but I had to pull out because of a work deadline I have :( |
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| 17:28.18 | lcuk | ahhh have you tried pyclutter on desktop btw |
| 17:28.46 | coldboot | Why does scratchbox's coreutils not have md5sum? |
| 17:29.58 | JamieBennett | lcuk I use pyclutter with one of my other projects http://www.entertainer-project.com |
| 17:30.53 | chx | lcuk: nope. too far. |
| 17:31.33 | lcuk | i forgot you actually make real apps JamieBennett |
| 17:31.48 | JamieBennett | lcuk Try to ;) |
| 17:31.49 | lcuk | chx, where are you then (and it was an accident i asked you :P) |
| 17:31.58 | lcuk | as we all do |
| 17:32.51 | JamieBennett | Trying to get entertainer running in the SDK. Would make a killer app for the new tablets. |
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| 17:35.30 | lcuk | JamieBennett-awa, just wathced the youtube vid :) very impressive |
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| 17:36.33 | chx | lcuk: I am in the best place in this world: Vancouver. |
| 17:36.46 | lbt | mmm skiing |
| 17:36.50 | chx | http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ShowImage.aspx?CurImage=20-220-350-03.jpg&Image=20-220-350-03.jpg&S7ImageFlag=0&WaterMark=1&Item=N82E16820220350&Depa=0&Description=Patriot%208GB%20Micro%20SDHC%20Flash%20Card will this work for the Maemo? Seems like it has a minisd adapter |
| 17:37.36 | chx | erm,not Maemo, N810 :) |
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| 17:41.38 | Macer | hi |
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| 17:53.28 | RST38h | Ok could somebody tell me what makes TI73 firmware set the stack pointer to uninitialized area of RAM and do a RET? |
| 17:55.10 | lcuk | RST38h, mel |
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| 18:02.10 | RST38h | Thought so |
| 18:05.14 | lcuk | are you sure its uninitialized |
| 18:05.28 | lcuk | RST38h, ^ |
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| 18:21.15 | fiferboy_n810 | lbt: Are you going to be hacking on finger scrolling this weekend? |
| 18:21.38 | RST38h | lcuk: yep. |
| 18:22.26 | lcuk | RST38h, so its just a jump into random memory? when does this occur? |
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| 18:23.22 | RST38h | it is not a jump |
| 18:23.44 | RST38h | It sets SP just above the actual stack and then does a RET |
| 18:23.58 | RST38h | RET fetches the value from stack and transfer it to IP |
| 18:24.06 | RST38h | that value is 0xFFFF |
| 18:25.27 | lcuk | what happens next then |
| 18:25.53 | RST38h | Jumps to 0xffff, find 0xff there |
| 18:26.06 | lcuk | yeah, but is this at startup>? |
| 18:26.09 | RST38h | 0xff corresponds to RST 38h instruction (yes, I know) |
| 18:26.11 | lcuk | shutdown? or just randomly |
| 18:26.15 | RST38h | at some point of init sequence |
| 18:26.27 | RST38h | So, it goes into IRQ handler at 0x0038 |
| 18:26.31 | lcuk | so, you get run during the init |
| 18:26.58 | RST38h | I get run on pretty much any external event worth interrupting the CPU |
| 18:27.23 | lcuk | but on actual hardware? |
| 18:27.29 | RST38h | on actual hardware. |
| 18:27.53 | lcuk | exploitable? :D |
| 18:28.02 | RST38h | not really |
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| 18:28.30 | lcuk | heh, does it crash tho? |
| 18:28.31 | RST38h | unless irq handler has got a hook somewhere in ram |
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| 18:28.48 | RST38h | yes, it goes into some unpredictable code sequence |
| 18:29.01 | lcuk | file it as a bug |
| 18:29.07 | lcuk | only 25years |
| 18:29.09 | RST38h | file it where? |
| 18:29.16 | lcuk | ti :) |
| 18:29.19 | RST38h | it is not a bug |
| 18:29.27 | RST38h | it is something I am doing wrong. |
| 18:29.32 | lcuk | but its using uninitialized memory |
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| 18:29.39 | JamieBennett | lcuk: Entertainer is a great piece of software which would fit nicely with the new tablet. Python, Clutter e.t.c. Just getting the dependancies compiled in scratchbox at the moment though. |
| 18:30.05 | RST38h | well I have run it on their own emulator and it goes through uninitialized ram all the time |
| 18:30.13 | RST38h | god knows why |
| 18:31.18 | lcuk | pass |
| 18:31.30 | zakkm | that would be so cpu-crazy |
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| 18:31.43 | zakkm | wouldnt it? |
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| 18:32.25 | zakkm | is there scratchbox for mac? i think its about time i try it out lol |
| 18:33.12 | JamieBennett | zakkm: I'm running scratchbox under VMWare now with a new iMac |
| 18:33.42 | zakkm | heh im going the oldd hackintosh approach, and my cpu doesnt have hardware virtualization |
| 18:33.52 | zakkm | which is going to suck, its still very fast though |
| 18:33.57 | zakkm | thats the only way? |
| 18:34.13 | JamieBennett | zakkm: yes |
| 18:34.26 | zakkm | sucks, why dont you use parallels? |
| 18:34.33 | zakkm | it beats vmware fusion.. the newest versions of each |
| 18:35.00 | JamieBennett | just have a copy of vmware, no particular reason |
| 18:35.00 | qwerty12_N800 | If it's a hackintosh, why not just install Linux on another partition? |
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| 18:37.17 | JamieBennett | damn, 7 python- dependancies that are currently not in extra's. Really didn't want to go down the packaging route, in fact I have no idea how to package for maemo :( |
| 18:38.47 | zakkm | qwerty12_N800: cause i dont like to leave mac thats why :) i love it too much |
| 18:39.02 | zakkm | i have it just the way i like, i skin alott |
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| 18:40.08 | JamieBennett | zakkm: I like Mac OS X. I have a 24" iMac here and a 13" Linux laptop. Guess which I like to use more and not because of the OS. |
| 18:40.40 | qwerty12_N800 | Heh, my only Mac encounter was with one that only used one button on the mouse. Brought my frustration levels right up. |
| 18:41.25 | JamieBennett | qwerty12_N800: Using the very same mouse now :) Surprising how little you use the right mouse button! |
| 18:41.26 | zakkm | qwerty12_N800: yeah it frustrates my friend too, you hold ctrl and click and it right click, but oddly you never use it on mac as much as windows, just the way the ui is |
| 18:41.48 | zakkm | qwerty12_N800: most people just plug in a normal PC mouse though.. and you have left and right click |
| 18:42.24 | zakkm | i have a very nice logitech G5 mouse i got for $25 |
| 18:42.43 | JamieBennett | zakkm: prefer the mighty mouse myself |
| 18:42.48 | zakkm | ah not G5 .. mx510 |
| 18:42.57 | zakkm | http://www.techexcess.net/images/products/other/Logitech-MX510-mouse_medium.jpg |
| 18:43.04 | qwerty12_N800 | Ah, thanks :) |
| 18:43.27 | zakkm | JamieBennett: i do too, but i didnt buy a real mac, so i dont really have a choice, and mighty mouses are expensive |
| 18:43.34 | zakkm | i want one though, same with apple keyboard |
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| 18:43.59 | JamieBennett | zakkm: That they are. A keyboard and mouse combo will set you back £60 here in the UK :( |
| 18:44.10 | zakkm | yeah its similar here |
| 18:44.23 | zakkm | live in Toronto, canada but family and such is all UK |
| 18:44.40 | JamieBennett | Love the keyboard though, got 3. One at home, one at work and the new small one for travelling. |
| 18:45.04 | fiferboy_n810 | zakkm: I'm woking in Burlington right now |
| 18:45.05 | zakkm | if you get the bluetooth one.. it makes a good keyboard for the nokia |
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| 18:45.13 | zakkm | JamieBennett: the apple bluetooth one connects very well / works well |
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| 18:45.26 | zakkm | fiferboy_n810: very nice, my dad used to work there yearss ago |
| 18:45.39 | qwerty12_N800 | Hi fiferboy_n810 :) |
| 18:45.48 | fiferboy_n810 | Hey Faheem |
| 18:45.56 | zakkm | fiferboy_n810: do you live there? |
| 18:45.59 | lcuk | JamieBennett, my summit technical glitch was caused by a rogue apple kb |
| 18:46.14 | fiferboy_n810 | zakkm: I live in Hamilton |
| 18:46.36 | zakkm | lcuk: arent they amazing :) |
| 18:46.55 | lcuk | yeah until the enter key is pressed in my bag @/ |
| 18:46.59 | zakkm | fiferboy_n810: cool, have some friends there |
| 18:48.04 | fiferboy_n810 | zakkm: My brother lives in Toronto, and I used to work there |
| 18:48.29 | zakkm | fiferboy_n810: heh, you woudnt happen to want to trade your n810 for a n800+f-fadapter + cash , would you? |
| 18:48.40 | zakkm | fully working perfect nokia of course |
| 18:48.55 | zakkm | even comes with the newest liqbase on it hahh :) |
| 18:48.59 | lcuk | i will, if the amount of cash is right |
| 18:49.09 | lcuk | and its not the newest :P |
| 18:49.12 | fiferboy_n810 | zakkm: Not looking to sell yet, sorry. Maybe when a nice maemo5 device is out... |
| 18:49.23 | zakkm | so mad i got the n800 :( |
| 18:49.38 | lcuk | why |
| 18:49.44 | zakkm | i hate onscreen keyboards |
| 18:49.52 | zakkm | it drives me crazy like some OCD |
| 18:49.54 | JamieBennett | lcuk: I'm sure you'll get a developer device |
| 18:49.55 | fiferboy_n810 | zakkm: I almost got the N800 when I was buying, but wanted GPS |
| 18:50.09 | zakkm | i thought the GPS on it sucked? |
| 18:50.30 | lcuk | we can only hope |
| 18:50.30 | fiferboy_n810 | It does, but I didn't know that |
| 18:50.37 | qwerty12_N800 | fiferboy_n810: before or after you found out the GPS was useless? :) |
| 18:50.41 | qwerty12_N800 | ah |
| 18:51.06 | fiferboy_n810 | :D |
| 18:51.08 | zakkm | heh |
| 18:51.27 | zakkm | thats why the n800 isnt that much worse *tries to convince fiferboy |
| 18:52.16 | fiferboy_n810 | I had a Zaurus C1000 before, so I am used to small HW keyboards |
| 18:52.31 | fiferboy_n810 | I don't think I could go to OSKB only |
| 18:52.38 | zakkm | heh |
| 18:52.49 | zakkm | i think the form factor of n810 looks so much better too |
| 18:53.04 | zakkm | im in highskool and i cant seem to beat the ppl with ipods ;p |
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| 18:53.37 | fiferboy_n810 | I thought they frowned on highschool beatings here... |
| 18:54.04 | zakkm | heh not beatings.just i bring out my nokia and do some stuff and ppl are like eww slow eww that looks ugly ;p |
| 18:54.30 | zakkm | the n800 does look ugly:P theres a whole forum topic on it :P |
| 18:55.10 | JamieBennett | zakkm: the n800 isn't ugly it just needs a refresh |
| 18:55.14 | JamieBennett | ;) |
| 18:55.44 | zakkm | compared to ipods and n810 i think it looks really ugly |
| 18:55.50 | zakkm | and isnt Mac osx awesome? |
| 18:55.56 | zakkm | you excited for wwdc? |
| 18:56.40 | JamieBennett | zakkm: Only because my phone contract is up soon and I want the new iphone |
| 18:56.49 | zakkm | heh |
| 18:56.53 | zakkm | snow leopard gets shown? |
| 18:56.57 | zakkm | mac 10.6 ? |
| 18:57.03 | zakkm | 10 days :) |
| 18:57.23 | JamieBennett | I'm hoping they show the new iphone, not really interested in snow leopard |
| 18:57.31 | zakkm | whatt! |
| 18:57.36 | zakkm | snow leopard is going to be nicee and fast |
| 18:57.42 | zakkm | going to have zfs support |
| 18:57.53 | zakkm | finder is finally going to be cocoa |
| 18:57.59 | JamieBennett | more bells and whistles and nothing to shout about is my guess |
| 18:58.05 | wazd | n800 look is awesome |
| 18:58.07 | zakkm | bells and whistles? |
| 18:58.14 | zakkm | im talking about programming stuff |
| 18:58.21 | wazd | one of my favorite devices ever |
| 18:58.26 | zakkm | new filesystems, finder is going to be cocoa |
| 18:58.32 | zakkm | thats not UI/graphical stuff |
| 18:58.39 | fiferboy_n810 | Hey wazd |
| 18:58.43 | zakkm | thats behind-the-scenes stuff |
| 18:59.18 | wazd | If only they have reoved that camera and hump |
| 18:59.24 | wazd | fiferboy_n810: heya |
| 18:59.39 | zakkm | heh i never use the camera |
| 18:59.39 | JamieBennett | From what I understand there isn't much going on with snow leopard apart from a lot of code consolidation and a litte UI reworking. Obviously there is the GPU optimizations which will be big but apart form that, meh! |
| 19:00.32 | qwerty12_N800 | My N800 has a better LED mod (>.<): http://freefile.kristopherw.us/uploads/qwerty12/dsc00007.jpg |
| 19:00.41 | wazd | I'm finding all Apple stuff a bit boring. That minimalistic stuff really got annoying in past 3 or 4 years |
| 19:00.52 | zakkm | the UI isnt changing at all too much, nice new quicktime version and itunes and such but not much more.. Finder is gonig cocoa so it will be nicer, faster, stable.. the whole gpu stuff w.e ... going to have zfs support instead/as well as the normal old hfs+ .. and zfs is wayyyy faster than hfs+ ... hfs+ is slower than ntfs -.- |
| 19:01.26 | zakkm | qwerty12_N800: is that titanium theme? |
| 19:01.34 | qwerty12_N800 | yer |
| 19:01.49 | zakkm | there should be more themes heh |
| 19:01.56 | zakkm | i started to use echowb |
| 19:02.26 | JamieBennett | zakkm: ntfs was spawned from the vaginas of banished demons and should have been strangled at birth. |
| 19:02.34 | JamieBennett | to put it politely |
| 19:02.36 | zakkm | heh |
| 19:02.41 | zakkm | and hfs+ , the mac one now.. is worse |
| 19:02.44 | fiferboy_n810 | I like the Titan theme! |
| 19:03.02 | zakkm | thats why zfs in snow leopard is gonig to be amazing , nice and fast too |
| 19:03.32 | JamieBennett | umm, how do I sudo in scratchbox? |
| 19:03.39 | qwerty12_N800 | fakeroot |
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| 19:04.16 | qwerty12_N800 | Everyone knows FAT32 owns, with its 4GB file limit and all... |
| 19:04.35 | fiferboy_n810 | FAT32!! |
| 19:05.15 | JamieBennett | qwerty12_N800 is there some magic document that I should be reading as a new user to the fremantle SDK and wanting to package some programs. Just trying to install python-pysqlite and it all goes well until the install when it complains about permissions. |
| 19:05.24 | zakkm | qwerty12_N800: its 2GB isnt it? |
| 19:05.42 | qwerty12_N800 | zakkm: 4gb - ran into it recently :) |
| 19:05.48 | jaska | 4gb minus 1 byte |
| 19:05.51 | zakkm | why would youhave fat32 :P |
| 19:06.10 | zakkm | everybody knows to run xfs :D |
| 19:06.15 | fiferboy_n810 | qwerty, did you just get an HD bigger than 4GB? |
| 19:06.25 | fiferboy_n810 | I-ve had one for almost a year now |
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| 19:06.52 | qwerty12_N800 | JamieBennett: Hmm, edit the setup.py (or equivalent to run 'python2.5' explicitly - instead of 'python' (which runs scratchbox's internal python) |
| 19:07.22 | qwerty12_N800 | fiferboy_n810: lol, no :p |
| 19:07.41 | fiferboy_n810 | Oh, well I'm sure you'll get one soon |
| 19:07.52 | qwerty12_N800 | Use a 200GB (small by today's standards, I know) HD with NTFS :/ |
| 19:08.03 | Meiz_n810 | FAT16 owns |
| 19:08.50 | JamieBennett | qwerty12_N800: I don't think its that. Getting the error "error: could not create '/scratchbox/tools/lib/python2.3/site-packages/pysqlite2': Permission denied!" |
| 19:09.10 | JamieBennett | qwerty12_N800: Wow, got 6TB here and I need more |
| 19:09.28 | zakkm | has a 640gb sata harddrive internal |
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| 19:09.47 | zakkm | need more than 6TB, what do you store on that thing.. |
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| 19:10.33 | JamieBennett | zakkm: I do a lot of view editing |
| 19:10.42 | JamieBennett | video that should of been |
| 19:10.46 | qwerty12_N800 | JamieBennett: it's that. :) - scratchbox's 'python' wants its python libraries installed there which is pointless for the Maemo SDK as the Maemo python2.5 gets its libs from /usr/lib/python2.5 |
| 19:11.14 | qwerty12_N800 | JamieBennett: Heh, 6TB. I'm jealous :\ |
| 19:11.31 | zakkm | JamieBennett: finalcut ? |
| 19:11.41 | fiferboy_n810 | qwerty, I'm with you - 250GB |
| 19:11.44 | JamieBennett | zakkm: I'm happy with imove08 |
| 19:12.04 | zakkm | not '09 ? |
| 19:12.16 | lbt | fiferboy_n810: hope so.... Qt this weekend that is |
| 19:12.28 | lbt | 6Tb... paff... |
| 19:12.36 | JamieBennett | qwerty12_N800: If that is the case then a quick search of the setup.py file shows no reference ot 'python' |
| 19:12.47 | fiferboy_n810 | lbt: Do you know if Antonio will be there? |
| 19:12.47 | JamieBennett | zakkm: sorry I meant 09 |
| 19:12.58 | zakkm | its good enough? |
| 19:12.59 | lbt | I don't think he'll make it |
| 19:13.18 | qwerty12_N800 | JamieBennett: Hmm, how are you trying to install/build it? |
| 19:13.21 | lbt | Quim suggested there'd be a Qt presence though |
| 19:13.25 | JamieBennett | zakkm: Its great. |
| 19:13.52 | JamieBennett | qwerty12_N800: python setup.py install |
| 19:14.09 | fiferboy_n810 | lbt: I was thinking about the setOvershootValue function |
| 19:14.22 | qwerty12_N800 | JamieBennett: Try invoking it as: python2.5 setup.py install |
| 19:14.23 | lbt | yeah, pretty isn't it <gulp> |
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| 19:14.35 | fiferboy_n810 | The behaviour is most likely undefined when removing the bound checks |
| 19:14.50 | lbt | we need a better solution... but that can interface to it I hope |
| 19:14.56 | JamieBennett | qwerty12_N800: Build goes fine |
| 19:14.58 | lbt | ideally widgets will overrride that |
| 19:15.00 | fiferboy_n810 | It's a good proof-of-concept though |
| 19:15.09 | lbt | IIRC that means it should be virtual |
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| 19:17.13 | qwerty12_N800 | JamieBennett: if you run the program you wanted, with 'python2.5, it should start now |
| 19:17.18 | fiferboy_n810 | lbt: Do you remember what other requirements Antonio had for accepting the patches? |
| 19:17.44 | JamieBennett | qwerty12_N800: Lots of other errors, no such files, lots of python errors. |
| 19:18.03 | JamieBennett | goes to try python2.5 on the build |
| 19:18.08 | qwerty12_N800 | :/ |
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| 19:19.59 | lbt | fiferboy_n810: |
| 19:20.00 | lbt | 1. sometime the scrolling bars don't works fine |
| 19:20.02 | lbt | 2. scrolling for pixel instead that for item in every widget (temporary workaround) |
| 19:20.04 | lbt | 3. maxiumum scrolling acelleration. (ensure a good animation for big deltas) |
| 19:20.44 | JamieBennett | nope, doesn't work. What is wrong with python under the SDK? First error from a 'python2.5 setup.py build' is "src/connection.h:26:20: error: Python.h: No such file or directory" |
| 19:21.06 | qwerty12_N800 | Check if python2.5-dev is installed |
| 19:21.52 | fiferboy_n810 | lbt: 1 and 3 are done, so we just have to convince him we don't need 2 :) |
| 19:22.01 | lbt | :) |
| 19:22.10 | lbt | actually an old Qt had a hack to do that... |
| 19:22.26 | lbt | should be somewhere in the svn history |
| 19:22.31 | JamieBennett | qwerty12_N800: Worked. Surely this is documented somewhere? |
| 19:22.36 | JamieBennett | hopes |
| 19:22.43 | lbt | bounded by #ifdef hildon |
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| 19:22.51 | lbt | if you felt like looking... |
| 19:23.09 | fiferboy_n810 | I'm in favour of reusing solutions |
| 19:23.31 | fiferboy_n810 | I'll take a look. Any hints on how to find it? |
| 19:23.39 | qwerty12_N800 | JamieBennett: No idea, I'm just working on stuff I remember by looking at the packaging of python bindings in extras :) |
| 19:24.19 | fiferboy_n810 | lbt: Was the code for Qt Extended? |
| 19:24.28 | lbt | no |
| 19:24.30 | JamieBennett | qwerty12_N800: I feel a blog post coming on when this is all finished! |
| 19:24.34 | lbt | same file IIRC |
| 19:24.39 | lbt | qabstractscrollarea |
| 19:24.39 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe |
| 19:24.47 | lbt | or maybe q-a-slider |
| 19:25.48 | eukreign3 | when i ran the Application Manager in the SDK it couldn't find /usr/bin/fakeroot |
| 19:25.52 | eukreign3 | is that normal? |
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| 19:26.19 | JamieBennett | qwerty12_N800: going to bug you some more as you are all knowledgeable, I now have an installed python-pysqlite, how do I push that to extras so I don't have to do this again? Pointers? |
| 19:26.24 | eukreign3 | i had to make a symlink to /scratchbox/tools/bin/fakeroot |
| 19:26.33 | lbt | barfs |
| 19:27.36 | eukreign3 | it also can't find dpkg-preconfigure |
| 19:28.06 | eukreign3 | and still can't find a browser to install |
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| 19:28.19 | eukreign3 | there is nothing for microb in the repository for diablo |
| 19:28.37 | coldboot | How would you compile gdb in scratchbox 2 such that it's linked into libqthreads? |
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| 19:29.07 | fortunev | i am looking for a news ticker that scrolls horizontaly form my n810. any idea if one exists? |
| 19:29.11 | qwerty12_N800 | JamieBennett: Hmm, I usually take Debian's source package and modify as needed (run python2.5 etc) |
| 19:30.58 | qwerty12_N800 | eukreign3: MicroB (or, rather, the UI) is only allowed to be used on the device - Diablo's browser-ui is not free |
| 19:33.01 | JamieBennett | qwerty12_N800: So how do you go from tarball to something pushable to extras? Its all a little confusing even for someone who was programming commercial solutions on a z80 processor 15 years ago! |
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| 19:33.31 | Stskeeps | i still can't believe a ti84+ with a z80 costs up to 150$ |
| 19:33.58 | JamieBennett | Stskeeps: I have fond memories of the z80 |
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| 19:35.08 | aquatix | doesn't the ti84+ actually emulate a z80? |
| 19:35.18 | aquatix | on some rather fast ARM? |
| 19:35.34 | Stskeeps | so it can run Mer, you say? |
| 19:35.34 | Stskeeps | ;) |
| 19:35.39 | aquatix | *g* |
| 19:35.52 | locutus | aquatix: you are thinking about the new HP's |
| 19:35.59 | aquatix | more that i heard about custom firmware (non-Mer ;) ) that makes use of the full speed |
| 19:35.59 | locutus | aquatix: which emulate the old HP Saturn CPU's on ARM |
| 19:36.04 | aquatix | locutus: ah right |
| 19:36.05 | aquatix | indeed |
| 19:36.54 | fortunev | ok.. Is the ruby-maemo project still alive? How do I get ruby on my n810 with gtk support |
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| 19:38.47 | JamieBennett | ... and Nokia wonder why they don't have more varied apps. I have an app that has some dependancies that extra's doesn't satisfy so I think, thats OK, I'll compile the dependancies and upload them. All the wiki pages on w.m.o tell me zero and the only kind of relevant on links to a rather large .pdf. Is there no simple way? |
| 19:38.52 | eukreign3 | qwerty12_N800: that's good to know! is there a work around? i have a program that needs to open up a browser and i just want to make sure this works |
| 19:39.06 | fiferboy_n810 | lbt: I would think it is in QAbstractItemMode, as QAbstractScrollArea only scrolls by pixel |
| 19:39.13 | Stskeeps | JamieBennett: my presentation for this weekend says "To a traditional open source developer, developing for Maemo is a headache." |
| 19:39.16 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:39.19 | Stskeeps | or, "can be a headache" |
| 19:39.36 | qwerty12_N800 | JamieBennett: heh, the fun of packaging Python libraries :). I'd take debian's source package for it (run: apt-get install devscripts && dget -x http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/python-pysqlite2/python-pysqlite2_2.5.5-1.dsc and you'll have it extracted with a debian folder - which the packaging programs use to follow rules into making it a deb), make required modifications (install libraries to /usr/lib/python2.5 etc) an |
| 19:39.36 | qwerty12_N800 | d upload: http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras |
| 19:40.17 | JamieBennett | Stskeeps: throw in a reference to a embedded developer of 15 years, Linux user for 13 years, getting confused with how to develop for maemo! |
| 19:40.35 | qwerty12_N800 | eukreign3: I've never attempted to install the browser into MicroB but why not just try your program on a device :) |
| 19:40.47 | qwerty12_N800 | s/MicroB/SDK/ |
| 19:40.53 | eukreign3 | qwerty12_N800: i don't have a dvice yet :-( |
| 19:41.07 | eukreign3 | can't afford it, was hoping to write an app, maybe get some donations and buy one :-) |
| 19:42.44 | eukreign3 | i've written quite a few gtk apps in the past and know python very well, so figured this shouldn't be too difficult, so far it hasn't, except for the part where the scratchbox comes with now standard apps (no terminal, browser, etc) |
| 19:43.05 | qwerty12_N800 | eukreign3: ah :/, how are you calling the browser? Giving your url as an argument, with --url, to 'browser' works or sending the browser with a dbus message of 'open_new_window' and a dbus string of your url work |
| 19:43.28 | fortunev | Is there another channel for the n810 where I could get some newbie help? |
| 19:44.18 | eukreign3 | qwerty12_N800: which is the best way? calling it on the command line or via dbus? |
| 19:44.27 | eukreign3 | if i call the command line how do i know what the command is? |
| 19:44.34 | eukreign3 | people might have different browsers installed |
| 19:44.45 | eukreign3 | is there a standard way to ask maemo to open a url? |
| 19:45.06 | fortunev | quit |
| 19:45.10 | qwerty12_N800 | eukreign3: You should be able to install a terminal, run apt-get source osso-xterm; apt-get build-dep osso-xterm (cd to its folder) and do a dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot and install the produced the deb |
| 19:45.35 | eukreign3 | will try it, thanks |
| 19:46.27 | qwerty12_N800 | eukreign3: Maemo doesn't really have a concept of different browsers, most programs are hardcoded to open the default |
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| 19:46.46 | qwerty12_N800 | I'll find an example of opening it with DBus |
| 19:47.00 | qwerty12_N800 | default being MicroB |
| 19:47.01 | Stskeeps | hm, is there some way to hardcode apps to start Tear? |
| 19:47.07 | Stskeeps | instead |
| 19:47.09 | Stskeeps | when "open link" |
| 19:47.21 | X-Fade | You register the mime type, right? |
| 19:47.22 | Stskeeps | i get angry when the normal browser starts at the moment .. :P |
| 19:47.33 | JamieBennett | sorry qwerty12_N800 for monopolizing you but for this particular package the only difference is you have to run python2.5 rather than python at the command line. Would you just edit the README to show that? |
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| 19:49.25 | qwerty12_N800 | JamieBennett: don't apologise :), You'd probably want to edit debian/rules to run python2.5 when running setup.py |
| 19:50.15 | qwerty12_N800 | There's other things but I kinda need to be on a computer with a proper keyboard to answer in much more detail >.< |
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| 19:53.16 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: Tear's a little funky regarding that... Calling it via DBus only works when it has a window open and when it's not runnung, you need to give the url as an argument to 'tear' |
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| 19:53.54 | eukreign3 | i got the x-term built and install and it's running in scratchbox... but the enter key on my keyboard doesn't work :-( |
| 19:54.03 | qwerty12_N800 | tear also crashes when using python-dbus to run it... |
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| 19:54.37 | qwerty12_N800 | eukreign3: try the small enter |
| 19:54.50 | eukreign3 | i can use the on screen keyboard though to press enter so i guess it's ok |
| 19:55.31 | JamieBennett | qwert12_N800: the plot thickens. The script uses a pyversion -r to figure out the python version, only problem is that if I do a pyversion -r in scratchbox is says pyversions: error parsing Python-Version attribute |
| 19:56.47 | qwerty12_N800 | JamieBennett: I hardcode that variable to 2.5 as I don't think Diablo (the only Maemo in which I've adapted packaging for) will ever see anything higher |
| 19:57.53 | JamieBennett | qwerty12_N800: hard coding 2.5 as the variable then. I will blog about this afterwards, promise ;) |
| 19:59.07 | joelmaher | is there a maemo emulator? |
| 19:59.16 | JamieBennett | next problem with the build as per the wiki page: dpkg-genchanges: warning: unknown information field `Xb-Python-Version' in input data in package's section of control info file |
| 20:00.34 | qwerty12_N800 | that relates to pyversions, it doesn't do any harm to leave it in the control file but it provides no benefit (in this case) |
| 20:02.52 | JamieBennett | so which part of the control file do I need to lance? |
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| 20:04.05 | qwerty12_N800 | Xb-Python-Version should be listed in the topp section of debian/control |
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| 20:05.35 | JamieBennett | Thats the first thing I did, search for Xb but its not there. Top half of the file Source: python-pysqlite2 |
| 20:05.38 | JamieBennett | Section: python |
| 20:05.38 | JamieBennett | Priority: optional |
| 20:05.38 | JamieBennett | Maintainer: Joel Rosdahl <joel@debian.org> |
| 20:05.38 | JamieBennett | Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 7.0.0), python-all-dev (>= 2.3.5-11), python-all-dbg, python-central (>= 0.5.6), libsqlite3-dev (>= 3.3.8), python-sphinx (>= 0.4.2) |
| 20:05.38 | JamieBennett | XS-Python-Version: all |
| 20:05.40 | eukreign3 | qwerty12_N800: would this: http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/ new version of microb work in the scratchbox? |
| 20:05.40 | JamieBennett | Standards-Version: 3.8.1 |
| 20:05.49 | eukreign3 | says there is a download for x86 |
| 20:06.45 | qwerty12_N800 | JamieBennett: 'XS-Python-Version: all' is probably the line you're looking for |
| 20:06.55 | lcuk | cjidudfuucucufididifkfoigiohi i igifiufuvbnjj gvgtu uuhuihu ufdctcgxdhg gh hyddydycu ufycyfuyfyvy y yfyfyfyvy yvyfyfyfyfyfyfyffjifjrfjdgdgc |
| 20:07.06 | JamieBennett | lcuk :D |
| 20:07.11 | qwerty12_N800 | eukreign3: Most likely not as it's for an older version of Maemo |
| 20:08.15 | eukreign3 | hmmm... |
| 20:08.25 | eukreign3 | so, what does Diablo use? |
| 20:08.41 | lcuk | damn jacob |
| 20:10.00 | JamieBennett | lcuk: you been watching lost? |
| 20:12.07 | eukreign3 | qwerty12_N800: got segmentation fault when i tried running it |
| 20:12.15 | GAN800 | Maemo Packaging: Kill Yourself with Software |
| 20:12.36 | GAN800 | Here's the new plan, I write titles, you guys put together software. |
| 20:12.43 | JamieBennett | qwert12_N800: what do you think XS-Python-Version should be? 2.5 or Python2.5? Either way I get another error, dpkg-genchanges: warning: unknown information field `Xb-Python-Version' in input data in package's section of control info file |
| 20:12.43 | JamieBennett | dpkg-genchanges: warning: unknown information field `Xb-Python-Version' in input data in package's section of control info file |
| 20:12.46 | GAN800 | s/software/talks/ |
| 20:13.19 | eukreign3 | lol |
| 20:13.34 | qwerty12_N800 | eukreign3: I open the browser using something like this: http://pastebin.com/f6971aa56 (excuse the shitness of that example) |
| 20:13.58 | qwerty12_N800 | Yeah, ' should be " >.< |
| 20:14.29 | qwerty12_N800 | JamieBennett: it can be removed |
| 20:15.37 | JamieBennett | qwerty12_N800 OK removed, just get a signing error which I presume I can ignore? |
| 20:16.24 | qwerty12_N800 | Yeah, you don't need to sign anymore (huzzah!) to upload to extras |
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| 20:17.40 | JamieBennett | OK it seems the admins need to grant me access to upload first. Thank for all your help qwert12_N800 |
| 20:17.59 | eukreign3 | qwerty12_N800: thanks, now i just have to figure out how to do that in Python :-) |
| 20:18.09 | JamieBennett | OK it seems the admins need to grant me access to upload first. Thank for all your help qwerty12_N800 (spell it right this time ;)) |
| 20:18.56 | eukreign3 | qwerty12_N800: what about Fennec? would that work in the scratchbox? |
| 20:19.25 | qwerty12_N800 | JamieBennett: heh, no problem |
| 20:19.48 | GAN800 | 'admins', i.e., X-Fade |
| 20:20.16 | qwerty12_N800 | eukreign3: shouldn't be hard to pythonize that, there's python-osso examples, using RPC, on the PyMaemo page |
| 20:20.47 | eukreign3 | qwerty12_N800: i found this: http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/documentation/python_osso_examples/code/mime/osso_test_mime_open.py |
| 20:21.00 | eukreign3 | that asks osso to open file based on mime type |
| 20:21.06 | eukreign3 | do you think if i pass it the URL it will know what to do? |
| 20:21.06 | qwerty12_N800 | eukreign3: probably, I just wouldn't assume that everyone would have it installed on the device :) |
| 20:21.22 | JamieBennett | no really, appreciate all the help, I really would not of bothered if it wasn't for your help and as a developer myself I find this a real big barrier for development entry. |
| 20:22.22 | qwerty12_N800 | *nod* :) |
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| 20:22.52 | coldboot | Under "Debugging issues with Scratchbox-2" in this guide: http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/sdk-plus-debugging-guide.html -- it says that you have to link gdb to the threading library that your program uses. I'm trying to debug a Qt program, which uses pthreads. How do I link gdb in with pthreads? |
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| 20:23.34 | coldboot | I've already tried manually editing the Makefile for the Maemo-patched gdb version, adding -lpthread to the gcc parameters, then installed it, and I still don't have gdb making breakpoints properly. |
| 20:23.51 | coldboot | How do you debug a Qt application in scratchbox 2? |
| 20:23.57 | qwerty12_N800 | eukreign3: that seems a little different to what that C does, but that osso.Context is the equivalent of osso_initalize in that C. Lemne see if I can figure it out :) |
| 20:24.19 | jamiebennett | waits for upload approval by going to watch some TV shoes I've missed the past week |
| 20:24.41 | coldboot | The Maemo wiki has no information on debugging a Qt application in scratchbox, see here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt4Hildon#Debugging_a_Qt_application |
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| 20:34.17 | coldboot | Is there a way to install a shell that isn't crap on the nokia so CTRL+R command history lookup works? |
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| 20:40.40 | qwerty12_N800 | eukreign3: bah, python and its bloody tuples. I modified an example and got this: http://pastebin.com/f69e5d51c - it works fine to open the browser with an designated site |
| 20:41.46 | eukreign3 | awesome! thanks |
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| 20:53.29 | eukreign3 | okay, so i'm trying to get fennec |
| 20:54.09 | eukreign3 | apt-get is fetching ../release/binary-i386/Packages.gz instead of ../release/binary-x86/Packages.gz |
| 20:54.21 | eukreign3 | is there anyway to get apt to use the correct binary |
| 20:56.04 | eukreign3 | nm, that directory is empty anyways |
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| 21:07.40 | GAN800 | Threadcrapping indeed |
| 21:08.38 | Stskeeps | wonders if the rebate programme will give some interesting proposals. |
| 21:15.20 | eukreign3 | couldn't get fennec to work, giving up |
| 21:15.34 | eukreign3 | it needed libgpsbt which i didn't have and can't seem to find anywhere |
| 21:16.22 | qwerty12_N800 | Did you choose to install the closed nokia binaries during install? |
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| 21:31.49 | eukreign3 | qwerty12_N800: i'm using the vmware maemo sdk |
| 21:31.54 | eukreign3 | so i didn't have to install anything |
| 21:32.16 | eukreign3 | is it possible that some things are missing from that? |
| 21:32.35 | eukreign3 | the whole point of using the vmware image is so that everything is already correctly preconfigured... |
| 21:32.40 | eukreign3 | or so they claim :-D |
| 21:33.21 | qwerty12_N800 | IIRC, the vmware image has a script on the desktop which'll install the things that cannot be redistributed with the image legally |
| 21:33.31 | eukreign3 | oooh |
| 21:33.58 | eukreign3 | there are no scripts on the desktop other than the ESBox icon |
| 21:35.13 | qwerty12_N800 | Hmm, been a long while since I last used it. Read 2.4 of: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/diablo/INSTALL.txt |
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| 21:40.47 | GAN800 | jamiebennett, X-Fade wont be back on 'til tomorrow. |
| 21:42.48 | Jaffa | re |
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| 21:44.24 | eukreign3 | qwerty12_N800: doing that now, thanks for the tip |
| 21:44.31 | eukreign3 | it's installing 77 new pacakges |
| 21:44.33 | jaska | hmm, hows the performance of the internal sd on n810 compared to a random class6? |
| 21:44.37 | eukreign3 | including the ones i couldn't find :-) |
| 21:44.46 | jaska | just wondering whether i should clone onto internal or a separate :| |
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| 21:51.08 | eukreign3 | yippy!!! |
| 21:51.11 | eukreign3 | i have fennec running in the sdk |
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| 21:55.07 | eukreign3 | the /usr/bin/fakeroot is missing in the ARMEL target as well |
| 21:55.16 | eukreign3 | am i the only one who has the this problem? |
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| 21:58.46 | eukreign3 | also, can't install anything through the Application manager |
| 21:58.52 | eukreign3 | works fine through apt-get |
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| 23:35.45 | Guest6384_664 | a master of pigin faq here? |
| 23:35.53 | Guest6384_664 | *pidgin |
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| 23:52.16 | KurtKraut | I've seen there is no sshfs for Maemo. How should I mount a remote partition/folder in Maemo? |
| 23:53.16 | rzr | nfs ? |
| 23:53.21 | qwerty12_N800 | Your eyes decieve you then. ;) FUSE and sshfs are in Extras |
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| 23:54.51 | KurtKraut | qwerty12_N800: I thought I had extras set. How can I enable it? |
| 23:57.21 | xnt14 | ~seen b-man16 |
| 23:57.22 | infobot | b-man16 <n=b-man@pool-71-124-32-204.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 22h 20m 20s ago, saying: 'hello, penguinbait :)'. |
| 23:57.34 | qwerty12_N800 | KurtKraut: I think it's a package that does not show up in the application manager by default - you'll have to apt-get install sshfs |
| 23:57.45 | xnt14 | 22 hours :p |
| 23:59.11 | KurtKraut | qwerty12_N800: that worked. Thanks. |
