| 00:00.34 | jaem_N810 | when you're ready, go to http://mytelusmobility.com/ , click " British Columbia", and see if the login page redirects you back to the region chooser |
| 00:00.50 | Bobbe | Macer, the war may have been for bizarre reasons or not, but I do respect the ppl who put their lives in front of the bullets, man. |
| 00:01.03 | Bobbe | jaem_N810, OK. taking forever to update the repos, kinda weird |
| 00:07.36 | jaem_N810 | Bobbe: how's it coming? |
| 00:07.54 | Bobbe | jaem_N810, opening the page now |
| 00:08.54 | Bobbe | it asked me to put my account info... and after 2 and 3 seconds later brought me back to the region chooser |
| 00:10.11 | Bobbe | same thing has happened for any other place I chose, jaem_N810 |
| 00:10.37 | jaem_N810 | okay, thanks |
| 00:10.42 | jaem_N810 | just wanted to make sure |
| 00:10.47 | Bobbe | np |
| 00:10.57 | jaem_N810 | I was trying to pay my bills XD |
| 00:11.18 | Bobbe | what's telus? |
| 00:11.23 | jaem_N810 | my laptop is boxed and waiting for the courier |
| 00:11.51 | jaem_N810 | telus? |
| 00:11.53 | jaem_N810 | hmm |
| 00:12.00 | Bobbe | brazilian |
| 00:12.06 | jaem_N810 | tries to think of something that wouldn't be considered libel |
| 00:12.20 | jaem_N810 | they're a cell phone provider |
| 00:12.36 | Bobbe | lol |
| 00:12.37 | jaem_N810 | in that they provide (severely crippled) cell phones |
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| 00:12.48 | jaem_N810 | not so much providing service, though |
| 00:13.17 | jaem_N810 | they gave me 60 "free" minutes last fall, because they dropped most of my calls |
| 00:13.34 | jaem_N810 | and tech support is worse than MS or HP |
| 00:13.38 | jaem_N810 | *far* worse |
| 00:14.16 | Bobbe | jaem_N810, it open fine in chrome tho. u have a windows box nearby? |
| 00:14.28 | Bobbe | *opens |
| 00:14.28 | jaem_N810 | Bobbe: I try not to ;) |
| 00:14.52 | jaem_N810 | The only box I have has no net access, due to wiring constraints |
| 00:14.58 | Bobbe | so do I, but my 3g modem's a piece of crap no-go in Linux so far. |
| 00:15.03 | Bobbe | you wanna vnc into mine? |
| 00:15.36 | Bobbe | would it help? |
| 00:16.15 | jaem_N810 | well, thanks for the offer, and no offense, but paying bills on someone else's computer isn't very good security practice |
| 00:16.17 | jaem_N810 | lol |
| 00:16.23 | Bobbe | makes sense |
| 00:16.28 | jaem_N810 | but thanks, though |
| 00:16.31 | Bobbe | np |
| 00:16.41 | jaem_N810 | I was trying to use qtnx to get to my friend's box |
| 00:16.48 | jaem_N810 | but it has major corruption issue |
| 00:16.54 | jaem_N810 | issues* |
| 00:17.59 | qwerty12_N800 | get x11vnc running on the computer and use the vncviewer Maemo port |
| 00:18.10 | jaem_N810 | yeah, I could |
| 00:18.28 | Bobbe | do you have a computer? |
| 00:19.11 | jaem_N810 | but at that point, going to the bank seems more convenient |
| 00:19.24 | jaem_N810 | Bobbe: 2x desktops with no Internet at the moment |
| 00:19.30 | jaem_N810 | and a borked laptop |
| 00:19.34 | Bobbe | lol |
| 00:19.37 | Bobbe | bizarre |
| 00:19.42 | jaem_N810 | and an N810 |
| 00:19.44 | Bobbe | the microb did the same thing the first time |
| 00:19.52 | jaem_N810 | only the first time? |
| 00:20.03 | Bobbe | but if I tried loading http://www.telusmobility.com/en/BC/home/ again it worked |
| 00:20.08 | jaem_N810 | oh |
| 00:20.09 | wazd | http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/25/nokia-next-gen-rover-tablet-unveiled/ |
| 00:20.11 | wazd | oh? |
| 00:20.22 | Bobbe | no, if I just cliked on british it kept coming back |
| 00:20.27 | Bobbe | but if I reloaded the page it worked |
| 00:20.33 | jaem_N810 | slaps himself with the try-the-obvious stick |
| 00:21.21 | jaem_N810 | thanks, Bobbe |
| 00:21.30 | Bobbe | glad I helped =) |
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| 00:22.13 | Bobbe | which reminds me I have to pay my freaking phone bill |
| 00:22.17 | wazd | wait, sidebar?! |
| 00:22.23 | Bobbe | it's in my ex-gf's name |
| 00:22.26 | wazd | noway, its fake |
| 00:22.41 | jaem_N810 | wazd: running Diablo? XD probably |
| 00:22.52 | Bobbe | wazd, probably a mock-up, yeah, but the specs are apparently reliable |
| 00:23.05 | wazd | jaem_N810: and no kickstand, fail |
| 00:23.12 | jaem_N810 | :O |
| 00:23.15 | Bobbe | no one from Nokia denied them in itt at least |
| 00:23.20 | jaem_N810 | that would be a horrible thing |
| 00:23.24 | jaem_N810 | NOOO! |
| 00:23.29 | jaem_N810 | wants a kickstand |
| 00:23.33 | wazd | Bobbe: it's 3 AM, c'mon :D |
| 00:23.36 | qwerty12_N800 | talk.maemo.org has a nice ppage on why it sucks |
| 00:23.39 | jaem_N810 | the N810 kickstand is awesmoe |
| 00:23.41 | jaem_N810 | hah |
| 00:24.16 | Bobbe | I dunno about the kickstand, it wasn't in the mockup, but form factor is highly speculative atm |
| 00:24.21 | Bobbe | the specs are more certain |
| 00:24.30 | jaem_N810 | it looks interesting, anyhow |
| 00:24.36 | Bobbe | honestly enough, what killed my was flash 9.4 support only |
| 00:24.48 | jaem_N810 | have they given definitive word on the touchscreen tech? |
| 00:24.59 | jaem_N810 | capacitive would be a deal-breaker for me |
| 00:25.03 | wazd | If only it will have same kickstand as n95 or something |
| 00:25.07 | Bobbe | I mean, all the rest could change for the next maemo device. but if freemantle is not flash-10 enabled, then what, we'll have to wait for Harmattan? |
| 00:25.25 | wazd | that will pop out from the camera place |
| 00:25.42 | wazd | Bobbe: why so? |
| 00:26.01 | wazd | Bobbe: Maemo is dynamicly updated system since diablo |
| 00:26.23 | wazd | Bobbe: you even wouldn't have to reflash |
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| 00:26.46 | Bobbe | I know |
| 00:28.51 | Bobbe | I just mean the speed of how updating is going. If this is a sign of how things are progressing... |
| 00:28.53 | minra | could adobe stop making cpu thrashing crap please. a god damn "pause" button would be nice |
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| 00:29.08 | Bobbe | but hey, I know nothing about coding. I could be utterly wrong here |
| 00:29.19 | Bobbe | minra, lol pause where? |
| 00:29.43 | minra | longtap on a flash element should pause it |
| 00:29.53 | GAN8001 | jaem_N810, kernel says resistive. |
| 00:30.05 | zakkm | hey jaem :) |
| 00:30.18 | jaem_N810 | GAN8001: woot! |
| 00:30.22 | jaem_N810 | zakkm: hey |
| 00:30.22 | Bobbe | minra, makes sense |
| 00:30.43 | Bobbe | resistive is the one that works on pressure, capacitive's the one in the iphone, right? |
| 00:30.50 | wazd | minra: in fact long tap = rightclick |
| 00:31.00 | wazd | minra: everywhere in the system |
| 00:31.11 | jaem_N810 | Bobbe: yes |
| 00:31.13 | zakkm | GAN8001: you try the new adium 1.4b4 that just came out like a hour ago, the irc is working alot nicer |
| 00:31.15 | wazd | Bobbe: right |
| 00:31.22 | jaem_N810 | capacitive doesn't work as well with stylii |
| 00:31.32 | jaem_N810 | and you need a special stylus, at that |
| 00:31.50 | zakkm | is the qtablet still around? |
| 00:31.54 | zakkm | the nokia app |
| 00:32.29 | wazd | btw I think that top part of that mockup is too thick, even n810 is thinner |
| 00:32.31 | rm_you | anyone happen to know an easy way to get the wireless MAC in a C program? |
| 00:33.06 | zakkm | can you run terminal commands in C? |
| 00:34.02 | Bobbe | wazd, the dimensions seem to indicate a thicker device, I guess |
| 00:34.38 | rm_you | yes, but parsing that crap is a PITA |
| 00:34.41 | zakkm | that pic just looks like a n810.. covered cause they didnt want to show what it actually looked like |
| 00:34.50 | zakkm | and then it doesnt show buttons and such that way too |
| 00:35.00 | zakkm | but it shows its a slide out keyboard tablet. |
| 00:35.02 | jaem_N810 | hmm |
| 00:35.14 | jaem_N810 | so they claim it has 3G voice? |
| 00:35.16 | jaem_N810 | win! |
| 00:35.18 | zakkm | thats not the tablet.. they just blanked out a 810 .. |
| 00:35.33 | minra | lol |
| 00:35.42 | minra | read |
| 00:36.15 | minra | it is an artist's rendition - not nokia's |
| 00:36.16 | Bobbe | http://wmpoweruser.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/htcfortresslg.jpg |
| 00:36.23 | Bobbe | how cool would it be if it had this kb |
| 00:37.04 | amr | i dont like the numpad |
| 00:37.09 | jaem_N810 | If it's subsidized by a cell carrier, I might just be able to afford it... :P |
| 00:37.23 | Bobbe | I love the numpad on the side |
| 00:37.34 | Bobbe | that's the most annoying part of typing on my e71 |
| 00:37.43 | Bobbe | i can even type the numbers without looking now, but it's cumbersome |
| 00:38.12 | amr | speaking of tablets |
| 00:38.16 | amr | time to read the internet on mine in bed |
| 00:38.17 | amr | nn |
| 00:38.22 | jaem_N810 | night |
| 00:38.41 | Bobbe | cya |
| 00:39.10 | zakkm | heh |
| 00:39.16 | wazd | http://devicegadget.ru/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/nokia-e75-05.jpg |
| 00:39.19 | zakkm | my bro has a phone like that |
| 00:39.23 | zakkm | the htc one |
| 00:39.27 | wazd | even such a small device has a better keyboard |
| 00:39.32 | jaem_N810 | the battery capacity is terrible, though |
| 00:39.50 | jaem_N810 | 1320mAh? Seriously?! |
| 00:39.55 | zakkm | lol |
| 00:39.58 | zakkm | it depends on power consumption |
| 00:40.04 | zakkm | and its a phone, may not even have wifi |
| 00:40.18 | zakkm | and you dont do massive cpu usage such like video playing |
| 00:40.18 | jaem_N810 | yeah, but methinks omap3>omap2 for consumption |
| 00:40.28 | jaem_N810 | and it does have wifi, according to the article |
| 00:40.38 | jaem_N810 | it had darn well better have wifi |
| 00:40.41 | jaem_N810 | lol |
| 00:41.39 | zakkm | omap3 is nice :) |
| 00:42.13 | b-man16 | indeed :) |
| 00:42.16 | Bobbe | yeap |
| 00:42.25 | Bobbe | it says 500-600mhz |
| 00:42.34 | Bobbe | which one is it? or is it both? |
| 00:42.51 | Bobbe | like it can be oc'ed like nokia did from the 770 to the 800? |
| 00:43.00 | Bobbe | (at least from what i understood from itt) |
| 00:43.35 | GAN8001 | jaem_n810_afk, OMAP3 will be less than OMAP2 on average |
| 00:43.38 | GAN8001 | Smaller backlight, too. |
| 00:43.57 | GAN8001 | Bobbe, 600 |
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| 00:44.59 | Bobbe | thanks GAN8001 |
| 00:45.25 | Bobbe | GAN8001, you didn't say what you thought (not that I've seen anyway). Are you buying it? |
| 00:45.53 | GAN8001 | Bobbe, I'm in a bad way re Maemo this week. |
| 00:46.15 | GAN8001 | There's looting and rioting on Talk |
| 00:46.47 | GAN8001 | 3.5" really doesn't suit my use case |
| 00:46.50 | Bobbe | lmao, I've read it |
| 00:47.03 | Bobbe | not all the 312 |
| 00:47.04 | Bobbe | I mean |
| 00:47.11 | GAN8001 | I'm feeling spiteful enough right now to want to buy it with a discount code and turn it around on ebay. |
| 00:47.16 | Bobbe | 313 rants entirely, but I got the digest |
| 00:47.20 | GAN8001 | Open Letter thread. |
| 00:47.24 | Bobbe | ah ok |
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| 00:48.53 | Proteous | maybe if we all complain and nash our teeth enough Nokia will scrap all their work and remake the device with a bigger screen |
| 00:49.11 | Proteous | it could happen! |
| 00:50.20 | GAN8001 | Proteous, I just want a second device. |
| 00:50.35 | Proteous | heh |
| 00:50.53 | GAN8001 | Movies, ebooks. |
| 00:51.23 | Proteous | maybe all the leaked specs are wrong |
| 00:51.31 | Proteous | and it will really be a 5.2in screen |
| 00:51.35 | Proteous | !! |
| 00:51.55 | GAN8001 | Proteous, then I'll also be pissed. |
| 00:52.11 | jaem_n810_afk | GAN8001: re: omap3... I didn't know that |
| 00:52.12 | Proteous | it will come with a sewing kit and supplies to make a bigger pocket in your pants |
| 00:52.27 | GAN8001 | jaem_n810_afk, basically zero power at idle. |
| 00:52.32 | GAN8001 | jaem_n810_afk, race to idle, too. |
| 00:52.36 | jaem_n810_afk | the screen and the battery are really the only things I'd complain about |
| 00:52.37 | jaem_n810_afk | nice |
| 00:52.49 | jaem_n810_afk | and they're not enough to deter me if I can afford it |
| 00:53.10 | jaem_n810_afk | at least they kept it at WVGA |
| 00:53.28 | jaem_n810_afk | if they'd lowered the resolution, it would have been a lot worse |
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| 00:55.41 | zakkm | anyone here know if qtablet still works well/how i could obtain? |
| 00:56.01 | jaem_n810_afk | zakkm: I saw a recent-ish demo of it running on Mer |
| 00:56.09 | jaem_n810_afk | but more than that, I can't say |
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| 00:56.50 | zakkm | thats amazing i want to try it |
| 00:57.33 | Macer | man this hacked wii is awesome |
| 00:57.40 | zakkm | hacked wii? |
| 00:58.14 | Macer | yah |
| 00:58.19 | Macer | put homebrew on it |
| 00:58.25 | Macer | some of the games don't work |
| 00:58.31 | Macer | but like 85% of them do |
| 00:59.25 | Macer | like so far |
| 00:59.31 | Macer | madworld and prince of persia don't play |
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| 01:05.16 | tonyyarusso | Anyone know how to install some variety of fdisk on an N810, or otherwise partition it? My mom's managed to ship without the internal memory card formatted, so she only has the 250MB to work with. |
| 01:06.08 | zakkm | tonyyarusso: you can use the builtin "format memory card" |
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| 01:06.20 | zakkm | ohh |
| 01:06.27 | zakkm | tonyyarusso: you can do sfdisk? its already in maemo |
| 01:06.38 | tonyyarusso | looks |
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| 01:06.43 | zakkm | tonyyarusso: http://linux.die.net/man/8/sfdisk |
| 01:06.51 | zakkm | its already on the tablet like installed |
| 01:07.25 | zakkm | tonyyarusso: you can also get gparted in maemo? |
| 01:08.01 | tonyyarusso | sfdisk would be fine if it's here - booting now |
| 01:08.32 | zakkm | you can also get console-tools and it will have fdisk in it |
| 01:09.44 | tonyyarusso | 'sfdisk' says "-sh: sfdisk: not found" |
| 01:10.15 | Macer | wtf |
| 01:10.25 | Macer | how does this sonc game go from hardcore anime cgi |
| 01:10.31 | Macer | to some voiced still crap |
| 01:10.48 | zakkm | tonyyarusso: did you run as root? |
| 01:10.56 | zakkm | sfdisk requires root |
| 01:10.59 | zakkm | i believe |
| 01:11.49 | tonyyarusso | zakkm: trying to, but sudser is confusing me |
| 01:11.55 | zakkm | sudser? |
| 01:11.59 | zakkm | type "sudo gainroot" |
| 01:12.40 | tonyyarusso | "cal_read_block(r&d_mode): size zero, block not found? Enable RD mode to gain root privileges" |
| 01:13.01 | zakkm | ah |
| 01:13.04 | zakkm | do you have rootsh installed? |
| 01:13.08 | zakkm | just type root |
| 01:13.09 | tonyyarusso | no |
| 01:13.23 | tonyyarusso | looking for those other options now |
| 01:13.55 | zakkm | go into application manager and get rootsh or something ;p |
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| 01:14.14 | tonyyarusso | there we go |
| 01:22.07 | tonyyarusso | wtf |
| 01:22.21 | zakkm | ? |
| 01:22.26 | tonyyarusso | After running that the keyboard no longer works, but the touchscreen does. |
| 01:22.41 | tonyyarusso | partitioning, that is |
| 01:23.11 | tonyyarusso | methinks I'm re-flashing this thing |
| 01:23.27 | zakkm | heh |
| 01:23.31 | zakkm | just reboot nokia |
| 01:23.45 | tonyyarusso | I already rebooted. |
| 01:23.47 | zakkm | tonyyarusso: the tablet has a "restore to factory settings" in control panel.. |
| 01:23.52 | zakkm | you dont actually have to reflash |
| 01:23.54 | tonyyarusso | o rly? |
| 01:23.56 | tonyyarusso | tries |
| 01:24.05 | zakkm | its in the menu of contrl panel |
| 01:25.17 | tonyyarusso | I found it, but it's asking for a lock code, and we didn't set one. |
| 01:25.33 | Firebird | what did you use to partition? |
| 01:25.35 | zakkm | so try like 0000 0123 1234.? |
| 01:26.17 | tonyyarusso | Firebird: sfdisk |
| 01:26.32 | Firebird | eh, the file browser formatter didn't work? |
| 01:26.41 | tonyyarusso | nope |
| 01:26.46 | zakkm | what did the file browser one say? |
| 01:26.53 | zakkm | you use the one in menu not "repair" button |
| 01:26.56 | tonyyarusso | None of the usual lock codes work either - this must have been previously used and returned. |
| 01:27.13 | zakkm | tonyyarusso: you know that right? |
| 01:27.24 | zakkm | menu - tools - format memory card.. |
| 01:27.43 | tonyyarusso | zakkm: trying that also. |
| 01:28.14 | tonyyarusso | zakkm: It seems like it's tries something for like three seconds and goes away, but it still shows up as corrupted. |
| 01:28.34 | zakkm | from menu? |
| 01:28.54 | tonyyarusso | yes |
| 01:29.13 | zakkm | cant do over computer? |
| 01:29.21 | tonyyarusso | over computer what? |
| 01:29.26 | Firebird | try plugging it in (USB to computer) and using gparted on it |
| 01:29.28 | zakkm | format sd card |
| 01:29.31 | tonyyarusso | great, now xterm won't open either. |
| 01:29.35 | Firebird | hmm |
| 01:29.38 | tonyyarusso | Firebird: I already tried that - it wasn't detected. |
| 01:29.42 | Firebird | ah |
| 01:29.49 | zakkm | what OS on pc? |
| 01:29.51 | tonyyarusso | Perhaps we should just send it back to Amazon? |
| 01:29.55 | tonyyarusso | zakkm: Ubuntu |
| 01:30.01 | Firebird | did it say, "internal memory in use" on the device after you plugged it in? |
| 01:30.06 | zakkm | did you check /dev folder? |
| 01:30.15 | tonyyarusso | Firebird: It didn't seem to say anything. |
| 01:30.29 | tonyyarusso | zakkm: /dev/mmcblk0 exists, but /dev/mmcblk0p1 did not. |
| 01:30.53 | Firebird | how about on your computer after plugging it in |
| 01:31.04 | tonyyarusso | Firebird: what about on the computer? |
| 01:31.09 | zakkm | forget nokia, just plug it into pc |
| 01:31.20 | Firebird | plug in the device and see if anything appears in /dev or dmesg |
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| 01:31.29 | zakkm | tonyyarusso: you sure the write protection isnt turn on.. on the SD? |
| 01:31.34 | zakkm | the little arrow thingy in corner |
| 01:32.17 | Firebird | I thought we were talking about a N810 |
| 01:32.33 | zakkm | Firebird: his SD card wont format on the n810 |
| 01:32.50 | tonyyarusso | zakkm: It's an internal card.... |
| 01:32.54 | Firebird | ah, I thought by internal memory he meant the actual internal memory |
| 01:33.06 | tonyyarusso | The internal 2GB thing. |
| 01:33.11 | zakkm | oh |
| 01:33.15 | Firebird | heh |
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| 01:33.21 | zakkm | what are you trying to do with it? |
| 01:33.28 | oich | Hi, I'm trying to flash my n800 to upgrade the OS. I used the command line flasher from the command line on macosx, it printed messages saying it was transferign things and then said it was done. Tne n800 is sitting their with the nokia startup screen. Does it take a long time, or did I do something wrong? |
| 01:33.44 | zakkm | oich: how long did you wait? |
| 01:33.47 | Firebird | oich, did you make it reboot? |
| 01:34.00 | oich | "make it reboot"? As in, turn it off? |
| 01:34.08 | zakkm | oich: it should take like a minute, and then show progress bar and all |
| 01:34.09 | Firebird | did you give the flasher the -R option? |
| 01:34.23 | zakkm | oich: what was the command? |
| 01:34.25 | oich | yes -F image -f -R. it's been about 10 minutes |
| 01:34.29 | Firebird | hmm |
| 01:34.40 | oich | ./flassher-2.0.macosx -F RX.....bin -f -R |
| 01:34.44 | zakkm | oich: you should use 770 flasher |
| 01:34.54 | zakkm | its what i use.. you just run the app , click on bin file.. and it does it |
| 01:35.00 | tonyyarusso | When I connect it to the PC, dmesg tells me it's there as /dev/sde. fdisk /dev/sde says "Unable to open /dev/sde" |
| 01:35.19 | zakkm | oich: http://www.bleb.org/software/maemo/770Flasher-2.0.dmg |
| 01:35.20 | Firebird | tonyyarusso, then the card might be really trashed |
| 01:35.40 | zakkm | tonyyarusso: check dmesg |
| 01:35.43 | tonyyarusso | Firebird: Okay, I'll just tell mom to have Amazon replace it then. If neither I nor anywhere here can figure it out.... :S |
| 01:35.48 | oich | zakkm if I turn the n800 off, is that going to cause a problem, since it was in the process of flashing, I assume? |
| 01:36.04 | tonyyarusso | zakkm: I'm looking at it right now - everything looks normal. "Attached SCSI removable disk, generic sg5 type 0" |
| 01:36.06 | zakkm | oich: yeah, that would, |
| 01:36.24 | zakkm | oich: download that, run it.. have nokia attached.. the program will ask for bin file.. select the 43-7 |
| 01:36.36 | zakkm | and let it go .. and just leave it plugged in and all |
| 01:37.02 | zakkm | nokia will get flashed , reboot etc.. your get a menu asking questions... unplug nokia from pc.. and do it |
| 01:37.12 | zakkm | (question asking = on nokia itself) |
| 01:37.32 | oich | aren't I normally supposed to start with it turned off though. it's not going to cause a problem that it's on? |
| 01:38.01 | Firebird | oich, just unplug it, not much you can do now |
| 01:38.05 | Firebird | pull the battery |
| 01:38.18 | Firebird | it should still flash |
| 01:38.24 | zakkm | ... |
| 01:38.27 | zakkm | you have nokia off |
| 01:38.36 | zakkm | run program... select bin file.. plug in nokia |
| 01:38.37 | Firebird | oich, actually, try booting before you flash |
| 01:38.38 | zakkm | leave it |
| 01:38.46 | oich | I have the battery unplugged already, as the instructions said |
| 01:39.02 | Firebird | have you determined if the hanging flash was a failure yet? |
| 01:39.08 | oich | no |
| 01:39.48 | zakkm | why you unplugging battery |
| 01:40.20 | oich | Battery charger. the instructions said unplug battery charger, turn off n800, run flasher, pluging usb. that's what I did |
| 01:40.41 | zakkm | oich: listen.. have nokia turned off battery in... run 770flasher and select the bin file ... plug nokia by usb... turn nokia on if it didnt turn it on.. .LEAVE everything the way it is |
| 01:40.48 | zakkm | let the computer/nokia do the magic on its own |
| 01:40.53 | zakkm | wait like 5min while it does it |
| 01:41.01 | zakkm | nokia will ask for questions... unplug from usb |
| 01:41.03 | zakkm | and use nokia |
| 01:41.11 | zakkm | no battery unplug, no nothing |
| 01:41.13 | Firebird | zakkm, his tablet was frozen in the on state so he had to pull the battery to turn it off |
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| 01:41.29 | zakkm | ah ah |
| 01:41.31 | oich | no, It's still on. the battery charger was already unplugged |
| 01:41.37 | Firebird | or not... |
| 01:42.02 | oich | so,.. I guess, I either turn it off to flash it, or I wait for the battery to die |
| 01:42.26 | Firebird | just turn it off |
| 01:42.51 | zakkm | oich: what tablet? |
| 01:42.55 | oich | n800 |
| 01:42.58 | zakkm | ohh |
| 01:43.03 | zakkm | k just unplug battery |
| 01:43.08 | oich | The above url gets 404 not found |
| 01:43.08 | zakkm | just take it out, and stick it back in |
| 01:43.17 | oich | the actual battery? |
| 01:43.25 | zakkm | yes |
| 01:43.31 | zakkm | of course |
| 01:43.39 | zakkm | when it says battery unplug, it means actual battery |
| 01:43.51 | oich | no, it says battery charger, in the instructions |
| 01:44.04 | Firebird | it says that to make sure its totally dead and off |
| 01:45.05 | oich | ... if I'm going to turn it off, why take the battery out, instead of just pressing the off button? |
| 01:45.23 | zakkm | cause it wont work |
| 01:45.26 | zakkm | in most cases |
| 01:45.39 | zakkm | off button relies on initfs, which you might not of got passed/cant |
| 01:46.31 | oich | heh... it just rebooted after I unplugged the usb cable |
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| 01:48.38 | Firebird | nice |
| 01:49.11 | oich | it's upgraded. The instructions say to unplug the usb after it reboots... I guess they mean, before it reboots |
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| 02:04.45 | Maior | can I just confirm, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2009-02-26.log.html is fairly up to date with the described solution for kismet; specifically that there's no convenient application manager-y method of installing kismet, it'll involve (e.g.) red pill mode on an n810 or the like? |
| 02:05.19 | zakkm | red pill mode isnt that difficult ;p |
| 02:05.36 | Maior | correct |
| 02:05.43 | zakkm | it could of changed by then though |
| 02:05.58 | Maior | indeed, hence my asking |
| 02:06.07 | zakkm | heh i dont actually know ;p |
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| 02:13.39 | luke-jr | Maior: Gentoo supports kismet :p |
| 02:14.01 | zakkm | so does mer i bet ;p |
| 02:14.16 | oich | I imagine this is a FAQ, but I'm not finding it. How do I get at files from an x terminal, that I can use then see in the os2008 file manager? |
| 02:15.20 | ShadowJK | /media/mmc1 /media/mmc2 are the memory cards, /home/user/MyDocs has the "internal memory" stuff |
| 02:15.46 | ShadowJK | /home/user/MyDocs/.documents .images .sounds .videos etc |
| 02:16.39 | z4chh | yep ^^ |
| 02:16.40 | Maior | luke-jr: yes, but I don't fancy installing gentoo on this |
| 02:17.45 | ShadowJK | I guess "after it reboots" means when it begins to reboot, as opposed to "after it has rebooted", which would mean that it has completed the boot part of reboot :) |
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| 03:11.30 | Bobbe | GAN8001, u there? |
| 03:12.15 | Bobbe | guess not |
| 03:12.19 | Bobbe | k cya guys |
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| 03:20.31 | cmug | morning |
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| 03:27.37 | cmug | So is there a single distro that is above the others with Fremantle? I seem to have problems with Ubuntu Jaunty and Xephyr |
| 03:27.58 | cmug | would a vanilla debian work better out of the box? fedora? suse? |
| 03:31.26 | GAN800 | Mer |
| 03:31.35 | GAN800 | Er, Debian |
| 03:33.46 | zakkm | GAN800: i just learned you were GeneralAntilles :) |
| 03:33.59 | cmug | GAN800, ok I'll give Debian a try |
| 03:34.04 | GAN800 | zakkm, quick on your toes, eh? ;) |
| 03:34.29 | zakkm | yup |
| 03:34.38 | zakkm | did you try the new adium beta yet? |
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| 03:34.55 | zakkm | i like it, i connect into adium and it autoadds me to maemo/mer ;p |
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| 03:36.06 | skibur | ok On Demand mode is for more cpu speed? |
| 03:36.20 | zakkm | skibur: Performance = most / sucks most battery |
| 03:36.25 | zakkm | most performance |
| 03:36.29 | zakkm | on demand = balanced |
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| 03:36.48 | zakkm | and powersave = baddd cpu for best battery.. but not worth it in most cases |
| 03:36.51 | skibur | o ok, so it by default |
| 03:37.01 | zakkm | on demand = default . |
| 03:37.06 | zakkm | which it should be |
| 03:37.11 | skibur | ok thanks |
| 03:37.19 | zakkm | some apps add like "set to ___" in menu |
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| 03:58.23 | Macer | ncis was sad |
| 03:58.38 | Macer | i need to find a redhead green eyed girl |
| 03:58.41 | Macer | maybe i should go to ireland |
| 03:59.23 | zakkm | ? |
| 04:00.12 | Macer | ireland has an overabundance of red haired green eyed girls |
| 04:00.16 | Macer | they're kind of rare in chicago |
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| 04:03.03 | skibur | has anybody been able to get "The Mana World" working on N800/N810? |
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| 04:05.31 | yigal | my n800 is just so much more functional to my G1. |
| 04:06.02 | yigal | android is a sick joke I fear |
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| 04:09.59 | yigal | the fact that there is an OS for smallish devices that is so compatible with Debian/Ubuntu is just marvelous |
| 04:11.47 | sisto | seen this article from today? http://www.cellpassion.com/news/2009/05/25/nokia-rover-is-an-n97-killer-internet-tablet.aspx |
| 04:12.06 | yigal | I'm just a bit bumbed I wasn't smart enough to not invest in the g1 and android by association |
| 04:12.45 | rm_you | johnxx: bbl, rebooting |
| 04:14.03 | yigal | awesome to the link, sweet! |
| 04:15.19 | sisto | it's called the "Rover" |
| 04:15.37 | yigal | is it real? |
| 04:16.26 | sisto | not yet |
| 04:16.32 | yigal | isn't that the real Q |
| 04:16.36 | sisto | here's another link in case you haven't seen it http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/05/24/exclusive-everything-there-is-to-know-about-nokias-next-tablet/ |
| 04:16.57 | sisto | I mean... it's not out yet |
| 04:17.15 | yigal | i drool of course |
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| 04:18.07 | sisto | i hope they add more keys though |
| 04:18.24 | sisto | one more row of keys would be nice |
| 04:19.11 | yigal | i've been playing with the n800 so I'm used to minimal keys |
| 04:20.26 | sisto | launch it now! |
| 04:20.27 | sisto | :) |
| 04:20.32 | yigal | transparent virtual keyoard overlay I feel is best for my needs |
| 04:20.34 | sisto | launch it Nokia! |
| 04:20.52 | yigal | do it! come on! please |
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| 04:22.04 | mariorz | New rumored tablet looks expensive |
| 04:22.46 | sisto | over 500 dollars? |
| 04:22.46 | yigal | in $? 400-600 or more? |
| 04:23.12 | Abulafia | hey, i have jfgi ed it - but it's hard on my n810. is there a fb chat client for maemo? |
| 04:23.14 | mariorz | 500 |
| 04:23.31 | yigal | fb? |
| 04:23.38 | zakkm | when the new nokia comes out, the others will lower :) |
| 04:23.48 | Abulafia | sorry - facebook |
| 04:24.07 | zakkm | Abulafia: you can do pidgin and get facebook support for pidgin |
| 04:24.23 | zakkm | Abulafia: packages "Pidgin and Pidgin Facebook support" from application manager |
| 04:24.28 | Abulafia | ok |
| 04:24.33 | Abulafia | thanks |
| 04:24.53 | zakkm | best there is, i would assume so anyways |
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| 04:25.48 | sisto | facebook? |
| 04:26.10 | Abulafia | you know, since my everun note got borked, im using my n810 as a makeshift laptop. |
| 04:26.34 | yigal | i'm an irssi die hard fan on my lappi but pidgin is very very complete on an itt |
| 04:26.49 | yigal | so nice |
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| 04:28.01 | yigal | rm_you: rm -fr /, you damnit :) |
| 04:28.05 | Abulafia | not impressed so much with the n900. ordered an old htc kaiser (which goes in conjunction with the NIT ) |
| 04:28.21 | yigal | hmm |
| 04:28.25 | Abulafia | i have a u820 on the way... |
| 04:28.31 | rm_you | :P |
| 04:28.41 | Abulafia | the n810 is just so slow |
| 04:30.00 | yigal | depends for what the n800 is faster for many purposes relative to g1 |
| 04:30.29 | yigal | as i have had to unfortunately find out |
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| 04:30.55 | Abulafia | actually, im loving wm 6.5 + spb shell |
| 04:31.22 | yigal | wm? |
| 04:31.22 | Abulafia | somehow wm got faster and more efficient |
| 04:31.33 | Abulafia | windows mobile |
| 04:31.40 | yigal | ahh |
| 04:32.10 | yigal | cool, not my style but if it works for you |
| 04:32.18 | yigal | ... |
| 04:32.21 | Abulafia | and beta roms leak more often than a basement apartment |
| 04:32.50 | Abulafia | yigal, look at spb shell 3 |
| 04:32.58 | sisto | i used windows mobile for a while |
| 04:33.07 | sisto | but got tired of it |
| 04:33.12 | sisto | now i have a symbian phone |
| 04:33.17 | Abulafia | microsoft should have just hired spb to do the interface |
| 04:33.46 | yigal | i'm still ethically against wm, so not likely |
| 04:34.51 | yigal | don't let it worry you |
| 04:35.10 | Abulafia | sisto, symbian was the other choice |
| 04:35.38 | Abulafia | but i liked the hw on the htc tilt |
| 04:36.20 | Abulafia | and frankly, while its not OSS, wm offers a ton of control |
| 04:37.27 | yigal | android so far is a super let down |
| 04:37.28 | yigal | for me at least |
| 04:37.43 | mariorz | yigal: why? |
| 04:37.53 | mariorz | i have not tried the phones |
| 04:38.06 | mariorz | dont look to bad |
| 04:38.10 | Abulafia | fighting with root, signing, f-it. |
| 04:38.17 | mariorz | too |
| 04:38.37 | yigal | after playing with n800 android Fails |
| 04:38.41 | Abulafia | i have used the g1 and played with -dev on my htc. |
| 04:38.54 | mariorz | yigal: how |
| 04:38.59 | yigal | i have a rooted g1 |
| 04:39.05 | Abulafia | odd to have a dual booting phone |
| 04:39.40 | yigal | the apps. are inferior |
| 04:40.22 | yigal | it's just not what i expected and it is inferior |
| 04:40.55 | yigal | everything nice in terms of apps. is'nt free |
| 04:41.10 | yigal | not cool, but ok |
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| 04:41.47 | Abulafia | it may get better. i know someone working for a non software company |
| 04:42.01 | Abulafia | they are doing a android app |
| 04:42.23 | yigal | but the whole interface seems slow relative to maemo, it has to get better |
| 04:42.50 | Abulafia | maemos not so fast either. |
| 04:42.59 | sisto | i think the palm pre's OS is based on linux too |
| 04:42.59 | zakkm | ... |
| 04:43.06 | zakkm | android is way faster than nokia ;p |
| 04:43.08 | zakkm | maemo* |
| 04:43.09 | yigal | yes, exactly |
| 04:43.09 | luke-jr | I'm unhappy with all GUIs at the moment :/ |
| 04:43.27 | yigal | zakkm: what? |
| 04:43.29 | zakkm | luke-jr: speech is best for you? :P |
| 04:43.36 | luke-jr | lately I've just been running console mode |
| 04:43.37 | luke-jr | on my N810 |
| 04:43.45 | yigal | nice |
| 04:43.51 | zakkm | wishes he had a n810 so he can do that |
| 04:43.58 | Abulafia | enlightenment is nice, but it reminds me of scenedemos |
| 04:44.06 | luke-jr | Abulafia: I won't even consider anything GTK |
| 04:44.09 | zakkm | enlightenment is assembly most of it |
| 04:44.17 | zakkm | and enlightenment has compiz support now |
| 04:44.18 | luke-jr | or non-Qt4, really |
| 04:44.31 | zakkm | e17+compiz is amazing |
| 04:44.42 | Abulafia | god this n810 keyboard sucks. how do you do it? |
| 04:44.55 | zakkm | you dont like the 810 keyboard? :O |
| 04:45.13 | Abulafia | wish there were a canonical e17 distro |
| 04:45.13 | luke-jr | Abulafia: I run like 2 commands, and they're on my recent history |
| 04:45.16 | Abulafia | ugh |
| 04:45.17 | luke-jr | zakkm: it sucks |
| 04:45.36 | zakkm | heh i hatee onscreen |
| 04:45.44 | zakkm | afte rlike 5 words i have to stop |
| 04:45.46 | Abulafia | my htc at half the size is so much better |
| 04:45.54 | zakkm | i cant even use a ipod touch onscreen |
| 04:46.22 | zakkm | you guys willing to trade your 810 to me for my n800 + f-f adapter + cash? :) |
| 04:46.23 | yigal | android doesn't have bash as far as I know |
| 04:46.31 | Abulafia | im looking forward to this u820 |
| 04:46.39 | zakkm | android has terminal, dont think its bash though |
| 04:46.55 | yigal | it has ash |
| 04:47.04 | yigal | sucky |
| 04:47.25 | Abulafia | zakkm, id load it on my phone but my NIT is using the BT PAN |
| 04:47.26 | yigal | zsh would be perfect |
| 04:47.46 | Abulafia | ah, never mind |
| 04:47.51 | mariorz | anyone have a link for the docs on how to run console mode? |
| 04:47.57 | zakkm | android v1.5 is soo nice |
| 04:48.00 | zakkm | they chaqnged it up alot |
| 04:48.28 | zakkm | its much cleaner and more ipone-like |
| 04:48.39 | zakkm | actually looks very nice |
| 04:48.59 | zakkm | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B4u7P4L6qE if you guys didnt see |
| 04:49.01 | yigal | i have 1.5.1 and i'm not sure what you're talking about, owell |
| 04:49.17 | mariorz | luke-jr: how do oyu run console mode? |
| 04:49.21 | zakkm | then maybe its like 2.0 |
| 04:49.28 | luke-jr | mariorz: I omit typing "startx" |
| 04:49.41 | zakkm | you can get it to do startx as soon as you login |
| 04:49.46 | zakkm | to console |
| 04:49.50 | luke-jr | … |
| 04:49.54 | yigal | zakkm: perhaps, not a lover yet |
| 04:50.00 | luke-jr | the whole question was how to NOT start X |
| 04:50.01 | zakkm | you can add commands to run after you login from console |
| 04:50.05 | mariorz | whats the script that nornally runs startx? |
| 04:50.07 | yigal | someday |
| 04:50.08 | zakkm | ohhh |
| 04:50.12 | zakkm | xdm daemon |
| 04:50.17 | zakkm | mariorz: xdm daemon |
| 04:50.21 | luke-jr | mariorz: dunno, I run Gentoo, and it doesn't have one |
| 04:50.39 | sisto | zakkm: are you sure the n810 has virtual consoles enabled though? |
| 04:51.16 | zakkm | i dont own a n810. wish i did |
| 04:51.29 | zakkm | doesnt it? |
| 04:51.44 | mariorz | k |
| 04:51.46 | Abulafia | i dont really miss the space from the n800 |
| 04:51.47 | sisto | I don't think so |
| 04:52.03 | Abulafia | i hardly use it. |
| 04:52.09 | zakkm | Abulafia: what space? |
| 04:52.17 | sisto | I think if you don't startx you might end up with nothing |
| 04:52.40 | zakkm | no you can boot like that |
| 04:52.43 | Abulafia | the space on the n800 vs 810 |
| 04:52.47 | zakkm | its just not default |
| 04:52.50 | sisto | I might be wrong |
| 04:53.01 | Abulafia | i just wish the gps worked |
| 04:53.07 | zakkm | heh |
| 04:53.16 | zakkm | i tried "Maps" for the first time today on my n800 |
| 04:53.24 | zakkm | not bad ;p |
| 04:53.24 | Abulafia | but the htc takes care of it |
| 04:53.38 | zakkm | wish it was gps though |
| 04:54.00 | zakkm | i hate the 800 form factor :( |
| 04:54.06 | Abulafia | meh, i have google map+iguidance on my phone |
| 04:54.20 | sisto | android 1.5 screenshots: http://gizmodo.com/5140578/screenshot-tour-taking-androids-cupcake-15-update-for-an-early-spin |
| 04:54.29 | Abulafia | and the gps is on par with the mtk and sirfIII |
| 04:54.45 | zakkm | sisto: then it wasnt 1.5 |
| 04:54.48 | zakkm | maybe im thinking 2.0 |
| 04:54.55 | Abulafia | the NIT is used to web browse |
| 04:55.47 | Abulafia | actually, i could use my htc for irc |
| 04:55.47 | Abulafia | and it would be better |
| 04:56.08 | sisto | latest release 1.5: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Android |
| 04:56.10 | skibur | i like my N800 |
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| 04:56.47 | zakkm | sisto: its opensource.. im talking nightly ;p |
| 04:56.56 | Abulafia | the n810 has an interesting take on keyboard feedback. youve typed the letter when it really starts to hurt. |
| 04:57.05 | zakkm | sisto: big change from 1.5 .. |
| 04:57.09 | zakkm | 1.5 is oldd |
| 04:57.13 | sisto | okkkk |
| 04:57.19 | zakkm | like the "soon to be" 2.0 |
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| 05:02.00 | mariorz | luke-jr: just to be clear, youre runing gentoo on the n810? |
| 05:02.10 | mariorz | or was this all about desktops' |
| 05:03.51 | mariorz | does the tablet have an xdm daemon? |
| 05:04.22 | Abulafia | man i cant wait to see the pixel density on the u810 |
| 05:05.02 | Abulafia | i mean u820 |
| 05:06.30 | zakkm | mariorz: luke-jr did gentoo for the tablet. |
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| 05:06.55 | zakkm | luke-jr and slonopotamus |
| 05:07.16 | mariorz | oh cook |
| 05:07.18 | mariorz | l |
| 05:07.44 | Abulafia | oh god |
| 05:08.09 | Abulafia | why? |
| 05:08.16 | zakkm | ? |
| 05:08.17 | mariorz | looks like stoping the x-server restarts the tablet |
| 05:08.20 | mariorz | normally |
| 05:08.29 | zakkm | heh |
| 05:08.29 | luke-jr | Abulafia: cuz Maemo sucks? |
| 05:08.56 | Abulafia | maemo does suck. so does compiling on arm. |
| 05:10.16 | zakkm | likes maemo alot, just wishes it was faster |
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| 05:25.47 | Macer | i had no idea the doomsday clock was a real thing |
| 05:25.48 | Macer | :) |
| 05:26.13 | Macer | wtf .. in 1991 it was at 11:43 |
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| 05:34.14 | Meiz_n810 | hmm |
| 05:34.20 | Meiz_n810 | NickServ hates me |
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| 05:50.23 | jaem_N810 | lcuk: ping! |
| 05:57.09 | jaem_N810 | well, I'm off to bed in a minute, but I wanted to share something... |
| 05:57.51 | jaem_N810 | I was fiddling with liqbase, and made a few accidental clicks with the wrong tool selected, and something rather beautiful came into being |
| 05:58.02 | jaem_N810 | (for certain values of beautiful) |
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| 05:59.19 | jaem_N810 | http://imagebin.ca/img/zg-jJN.png |
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| 06:02.25 | johnxx | hey rm_you |
| 06:02.37 | jaem_N810 | oh darn... liqbase killed my touchscreen |
| 06:03.32 | Corsac | jaem_N810: wow, really beautiful :) |
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| 06:09.57 | rm_you | yo |
| 06:13.46 | jaem_N810 | g'night, all |
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| 06:15.08 | Macer | damn |
| 06:15.12 | Macer | i lost in punch out |
| 06:15.14 | Macer | i got knocked out :) |
| 06:18.37 | jaem_n810_afk | oops |
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| 06:44.49 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 06:44.55 | Myrtti | hi |
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| 07:05.00 | rm_you| | johnxx: were you wanting to poke me earlier? |
| 07:05.14 | johnxx | rm_you|, nope, just saying I was back online |
| 07:05.20 | rm_you| | Myrtti: don't suppose you're dropping by copenhagen? :P |
| 07:05.21 | johnxx | had a priority interrupt |
| 07:05.23 | rm_you| | johnxx: lol k |
| 07:05.40 | Myrtti | rm_you: nope :-( |
| 07:05.49 | rm_you | darn |
| 07:05.51 | rm_you | ah well |
| 07:06.03 | rm_you | will work on knitting later :P |
| 07:06.40 | Myrtti | hehe |
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| 07:40.27 | Maior | woo kismet working :) |
| 07:45.30 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: ping |
| 07:45.37 | LiraNuna | where can I find maemo's glibc? |
| 07:45.39 | timeless_mbp | i have .osso/current-locale |
| 07:45.45 | timeless_mbp | but it doesn't seem to be doing its job |
| 07:46.52 | qwerty12_N800 | LiraNuna: the Diablo one: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/g/glibc/ |
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| 07:50.29 | Meiz_n810 | NickServ hates me |
| 07:50.44 | LiraNuna | qwerty12_N800, sweet, thanks |
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| 07:52.05 | Macer | hm |
| 07:52.11 | Macer | i wonder why the wii devs decided to use a new fs |
| 07:52.14 | Macer | instead of using another one |
| 07:52.17 | Macer | for external usb support |
| 07:52.56 | qwerty12_N800 | because when an iso is scrubbed, wbfs doesn't unscrub it to full size |
| 07:53.09 | qwerty12_N800 | amongst other reasons |
| 07:53.34 | Macer | hm |
| 07:53.45 | Macer | what does scrubbing do to it? |
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| 07:55.00 | qwerty12_N800 | reduces the size by having the same parts pointing to one place or something |
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| 07:55.41 | Macer | hm |
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| 07:58.17 | timeless_mbp | wonders how /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager works |
| 07:58.43 | johnxx | should be the same as anything that uses update-alternatives |
| 07:59.13 | johnxx | is there a specific question? |
| 07:59.33 | rkirti | Random Fortune: We can use symlinks of course... syslogd would be a symlink to syslogp and ftpd and ircd would be linked to ftpp and ircp... and of course the point-to-point protocal paenguin. -- Kevin M. Bealer, commenting on the penguin Linux logo |
| 07:59.33 | Macer | yeah. didn't understand why it just didn't use ext3 or something |
| 07:59.40 | Macer | oh |
| 07:59.43 | Macer | you weren't talking to me :) |
| 08:00.12 | johnxx | Macer, licensing :) |
| 08:00.17 | qwerty12_N800 | Macer, there's a fuse filesystem available for it :) |
| 08:00.28 | rkirti | ^^oops. /me was testing random features. |
| 08:03.40 | X-Fade | Hmmm gestures in Modest? https://git.maemo.org/projects//gitweb?p=modest;a=commit;h=e492f2f6fdbbe5469b4b8413bc756bbfb0e6a39c |
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| 08:05.12 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Backwards stroke to delete it sounds like. Sounds dangerous :) |
| 08:05.29 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Well, there's probably the trash folder? |
| 08:06.05 | timeless_mbp | and an auto empty bug :) |
| 08:06.12 | timeless_mbp | i haven't looked for one |
| 08:06.19 | timeless_mbp | but those are standard features of most mail clients :) |
| 08:06.41 | timeless_mbp | or maybe we could add an empty trash gesture |
| 08:06.56 | Jaffa | wonders if a gesture like that can be accurately sampled on such a teeny tiny screen ;-) |
| 08:06.59 | timeless_mbp | so you could accidentally delete all your mail and empty your trash in one stroke, all while your device is in your pocket :) |
| 08:07.19 | timeless_mbp | wrt gestures... |
| 08:07.32 | X-Fade | Jaffa: The items are probably full screen width. |
| 08:07.54 | X-Fade | Jaffa: So you have quite some space.. |
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| 08:08.06 | Macer | lol |
| 08:08.07 | timeless_mbp | if the touch screen driver doesn't suck (boy that'd be nice) ... then you should be able to distinguish between e.g. clockwise continuous spiral and counterclockwise continuous spiral |
| 08:08.10 | Macer | ncis cracks me up |
| 08:08.25 | timeless_mbp | Macer: some of us are many seasons behind |
| 08:08.26 | rm_you | Gibbs pwnz |
| 08:08.30 | Macer | the little israeli girl just beat the crap out of a few people |
| 08:08.36 | Macer | timeless_mbp: oh :) |
| 08:08.40 | rm_you | lol |
| 08:08.40 | timeless_mbp | i think the local cable channel just reset to season 3 |
| 08:08.47 | timeless_mbp | David |
| 08:08.54 | Macer | i think in real life she's mexican or something |
| 08:08.54 | rm_you | i have 1-5 on my desktop in SA... |
| 08:09.01 | timeless_mbp | really? |
| 08:09.05 | rm_you | lol |
| 08:09.08 | Macer | her name is de pablo |
| 08:09.16 | rm_you | i think her name has some accents on it somewhere? |
| 08:09.24 | rm_you | to be pronounced Da-veed |
| 08:09.33 | rm_you | not sure which ones or what letters tho :P |
| 08:09.35 | rm_you | prolly the i |
| 08:09.36 | timeless_mbp | Cote de Pablo |
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| 08:09.56 | rm_you | my GF got me into NCIS >_> |
| 08:10.09 | Macer | rm_you: in the show yeah |
| 08:10.16 | Macer | they need to show her kicking more ass |
| 08:10.17 | timeless_mbp | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cote_de_Pablo |
| 08:10.17 | rm_you | right |
| 08:10.25 | Macer | i was a bigger fan of kate tho |
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| 08:10.31 | Macer | the first 2 seasons were so comical |
| 08:10.41 | timeless_mbp | rm_you: in hebrew, David is spelled David |
| 08:10.50 | timeless_mbp | the accent ends up on the i |
| 08:10.52 | Macer | yeah heh |
| 08:10.55 | timeless_mbp | which is indeed pronounced ee |
| 08:11.11 | timeless_mbp | i think my family got me hooked on it |
| 08:11.11 | Macer | she's more of a fighter. but kate was funnier |
| 08:11.20 | timeless_mbp | they also recommended Bones |
| 08:11.25 | timeless_mbp | which i just noticed is airing here |
| 08:11.46 | Macer | bones is good |
| 08:11.48 | timeless_mbp | so i've asked my PoS welho DVR (handan) to capture it |
| 08:11.53 | Macer | the first 3 seasons are good |
| 08:11.56 | timeless_mbp | we'll see if it can manage that simple task |
| 08:12.08 | timeless_mbp | it has issues w/ basic requests like "please open the menu" |
| 08:12.13 | timeless_mbp | "please go up one channel" |
| 08:12.46 | Macer | ncis cracks me up though. it has its moments but for the most part it cracks me up |
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| 08:13.49 | timeless_mbp | humor is an important part of life |
| 08:15.37 | Macer | bones is pretty funny though |
| 08:16.07 | Macer | i'm on the last season of ncis |
| 08:16.09 | Macer | :-\ |
| 08:16.19 | Macer | i watched like 5 seasons straight |
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| 08:41.15 | cmug | debian seems to be even worse for an "out-of-the-box fremantle installation" |
| 08:41.21 | cmug | installing nokia-binaries fails |
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| 08:41.57 | cmug | no wait I left fakeroot out |
| 08:47.05 | rm_you | yeah, bones is good |
| 08:47.12 | rm_you | GF got me hooked on that too :) |
| 08:47.35 | cmug | also I just learned the ahrd way that my apt sources.conf is different for each target |
| 08:47.56 | RST38h | ehlo all |
| 08:48.16 | qwerty12_N800 | moorning RST38h |
| 08:48.21 | johnxx | allo RST38h |
| 08:48.29 | RST38h | moo, qwerty, johnx |
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| 08:49.42 | mib_d22bkd | hello, |
| 08:50.44 | mib_d22bkd | can anybody help me with my maemo - i have Err http://catalogue.tableteer.com ./ Packages 401 Unautorized [IP:....] |
| 08:50.53 | mib_d22bkd | what can i do with this |
| 08:50.54 | mib_d22bkd | ? |
| 08:51.12 | X-Fade | mib_d22bkd: What country are you in? |
| 08:51.16 | mib_d22bkd | this is on apt=get update |
| 08:51.18 | mib_d22bkd | Poland |
| 08:51.34 | qwerty12_N800 | this is in diablo? |
| 08:51.37 | mib_d22bkd | yes |
| 08:52.16 | mib_d22bkd | my maemo crash and i try to fix it using chroon ond doing update, but i have this Error |
| 08:52.28 | timeless_mbp | mib_d22bkd: http://www.nokia.pl/A4466344 ? |
| 08:52.30 | johnxx | X-Fade, should http://catalogue.tableteer.com show something in a web browser? |
| 08:52.42 | mib_d22bkd | Correct: Err http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com ./ Packages 401 Unautorized [IP:92.123.69.75 80] |
| 08:52.48 | timeless_mbp | http://www.nokia.pl/A4834092 |
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| 08:53.05 | timeless_mbp | mib_d22bkd: if you're having problems w/ a nokia service (and that is one) |
| 08:53.09 | timeless_mbp | please call nokia care |
| 08:53.27 | mib_d22bkd | ok :/ |
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| 08:56.34 | X-Fade | johnxx: tableteer.com is wrong. |
| 08:56.44 | X-Fade | johnxx: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/ |
| 08:56.49 | rm_you| | hrmrm |
| 08:57.20 | johnxx | he typed what looked like a cut+paste so I was quite confused when it didn't load here :) |
| 08:57.29 | X-Fade | Yeah ;) |
| 08:57.55 | mib_d22bkd | ok, how about this: Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/contrib/dists/diablo/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz Sub-process gzip returned an error code (100) |
| 08:57.56 | mib_d22bkd | ? |
| 08:58.25 | johnxx | did this happen more than once? |
| 08:58.45 | X-Fade | mib_d22bkd: Works for me.. |
| 08:58.47 | mib_d22bkd | 3 times |
| 08:59.03 | johnxx | can you check what kind of file it actually is? |
| 08:59.10 | johnxx | I'm guessing it's an html error document |
| 08:59.29 | johnxx | nokia uses a mirroring service and I'd bet that your local mirror is having issues |
| 08:59.36 | mib_d22bkd | apt-get update and i have this error since yesterday |
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| 09:00.26 | johnxx | if you can copy that file to a normal linux machine and run file on it that might shed some light on the situation |
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| 09:01.30 | lardman | morning all |
| 09:01.31 | mib_d22bkd | this file when i download it normaly works and extract well |
| 09:01.51 | johnxx | morning lardman |
| 09:02.00 | X-Fade | wonders why mib_d22bkd downloads from r.m.o/contrib/ instead of /extras/ |
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| 09:03.27 | mib_d22bkd | X-Face, what i myst change in Repository Catalogue? |
| 09:03.40 | mib_d22bkd | X-Fade, what i myst change in Repository Catalogue? |
| 09:04.40 | rm_you | lol, X-Face :P |
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| 09:05.35 | Myrtti | haz yarn! |
| 09:05.37 | lardman | mib_d22bkd: it should already be there, but grayed out, edit it and remove the tick mark against "disable this repo" (or whatever it catually says) |
| 09:05.52 | rm_you | Myrtti: :P |
| 09:06.59 | rm_you | I left all my yarn in TX cause i didn't want to bring my metal needles on three flights, two international <_< |
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| 09:08.58 | Myrtti | rm_you: bamboo |
| 09:09.20 | rm_you | yeah i pretty much only use Addi Turbo circulars O_o |
| 09:09.54 | Myrtti | ok, I need to do something to these hanks now, can't help it anymore |
| 09:11.04 | timeless_mbp | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=289976&postcount=159 :) |
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| 09:11.41 | X-Fade | lol |
| 09:12.40 | timeless_mbp | i'm trying to decide if it was worth reading that much of the thread for that one comment |
| 09:12.55 | timeless_mbp | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=289989&postcount=167 |
| 09:13.11 | X-Fade | I get distracted by the volume of messages. It's just too much. |
| 09:13.32 | timeless_mbp | i know i've asked before |
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| 09:13.37 | timeless_mbp | how do i read it in a single page? |
| 09:13.38 | Jaffa | X-Fade: bah, you're ignoring the "real" "community" with your elitist attitude |
| 09:13.49 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Heh ;) |
| 09:14.35 | timeless_mbp | oh |
| 09:14.40 | timeless_mbp | i wanna share a thread |
| 09:14.51 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Sorry for not reading all 355 posts in that thread :( |
| 09:14.51 | Jaffa | X-Fade: although, it's nice to hear comments confirming that the fora denizens aren't the only real people |
| 09:15.08 | kynde | I have an issue with CPU scaling. It seems like if I have a window open, the scaling_min_freq is raised by some maemo desktop related app, I presume, to 400000, thus rendering the CPU scaling inefficient... |
| 09:15.19 | kynde | Is there way to alter that behaviour somehow? |
| 09:15.35 | timeless_mbp | http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.governance/browse_thread/thread/beaf3ad718b996df/65c4c6a7ed888791?q=way+to+apeal+a+peer+decision%3F |
| 09:15.43 | timeless_mbp | please read that thread :) |
| 09:16.00 | timeless_mbp | kynde: so um |
| 09:16.19 | timeless_mbp | the idea of scaling is constantly to swap dynamically between frequencies |
| 09:16.30 | timeless_mbp | that's not inefficient |
| 09:16.33 | timeless_mbp | it's by design |
| 09:17.20 | kynde | But raising the _min_ freq to 400000 renders the scaling, not only inefficient, but effectively disables it. Since min == max 400000 and regardless of governor current freq remains at 400000. |
| 09:17.23 | X-Fade | and doing a burst of work at a high cpu level usually takes less energy than doing the same work for a longer time on a lower freq. |
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| 09:17.55 | LiraNuna | http://www.softsailor.com/news/3503-rumor-nokia-n900-tablet-with-maemo-5-to-be-released-soon.html |
| 09:17.58 | LiraNuna | eh? |
| 09:18.23 | X-Fade | kynde: Video playing? Or other multimedia? |
| 09:19.15 | kynde | Nope. An SDL user app that uses sockets. But it's very clever about it's use of sleep and select() so that unless it really has to do something both it's threads are in sleep. |
| 09:20.17 | RST38h | LiraNuna: So? |
| 09:20.39 | kynde | But, whenever that app (and it seems like regardless of what app I have running the scaling_min_freq jumps from 165000 to 400000 |
| 09:20.40 | RST38h | yawns |
| 09:20.49 | LiraNuna | RST38h, where did they get those rumors? |
| 09:21.12 | RST38h | LiraNuna: They abduct, drug, and torture Nokia employees |
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| 09:21.17 | LiraNuna | rofl |
| 09:21.19 | Jaffa | LiraNuna: mobilecrunch.com received a leak (as it says in the page you gave ;-)) |
| 09:21.21 | Jaffa | http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/05/24/exclusive-everything-there-is-to-know-about-nokias-next-tablet/ |
| 09:21.33 | Macer | lol! it's ok. we don't talk about fight club |
| 09:21.36 | Macer | damn ncis is a riot |
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| 09:22.23 | kynde | and just to be clear, I'm not raising it to 400000, some part of the platform appears to do it (or it might be the maemo SDL, haven't checked that yet) |
| 09:22.40 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 09:22.42 | timeless_mbp | Error |
| 09:22.51 | timeless_mbp | (-) Hildon desktop died or exited. [OK] |
| 09:23.36 | lardman | kynde: any DSP task will raise that |
| 09:23.40 | LiraNuna | "the N900 does not appear to feature the navi-keys" D: |
| 09:24.10 | Jaffa | LiraNuna: See vagueish render/photo at http://www.cellpassion.com/news/2009/05/25/nokia-rover-is-an-n97-killer-internet-tablet.aspx |
| 09:24.27 | LiraNuna | sexy |
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| 09:25.15 | lardman | Jaffa: I'm holding out hope that this logic is correct and that we will see a bigger device: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=290182&postcount=282 |
| 09:25.35 | RST38h | lardman: Should have left hope at the door... |
| 09:25.53 | lardman | true, but I'm a 1/2 full type of guy when it comes to new hw |
| 09:26.13 | X-Fade | Am I the only one liking the smaller screen? So it actually confortably fits in my pocket? :) |
| 09:26.13 | Jaffa | lardman: RX-71 being, say, Psion Series 5 size would be great (even better if it was the same form factor ;-)) |
| 09:26.25 | lardman | Jaffa: yep, exactly |
| 09:26.25 | Jaffa | X-Fade: one of few, I think ;-) |
| 09:26.28 | kynde | larman: is there a way to get it back down while running? |
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| 09:26.36 | till- | why just 600 mhz? |
| 09:26.43 | RST38h | Jaffa: As RX-71 seems, according to SDK, to have a dialpad, I would say it is gonna be a flip phone =) |
| 09:26.47 | X-Fade | Jaffa: You hear nobody complaining an iphone is too small? |
| 09:27.04 | Jaffa | RST38h: Didn't it have *additional* keys? |
| 09:27.10 | timeless_mbp | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=290044&postcount=197 |
| 09:27.11 | lardman | X-Fade: depends what you want to do with it, I'd certainly like a smarter smartphone, but I'd like a proper small tablet to hack on and use for productivity stuff, and watching videos |
| 09:27.13 | X-Fade | If I want to have a bigger screen I just upnp/dlna to display the media on my TV? |
| 09:27.16 | timeless_mbp | All text written by SD69 may be freely copied and used on internettablettalk.com only, and may be linked to from another site. All other rights reserved. |
| 09:27.18 | RST38h | X-Fade: You can't compare Steve Jobs cultists to normal people |
| 09:27.20 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Rover seems to be nearly 50% thicker than an iPhone |
| 09:27.32 | timeless_mbp | could someone tell SD69 he isn't on itt anymore? :) |
| 09:27.43 | kynde | lardman: since it's obnoxious for me since the app will be left running for really long periods of time and I've gone through numerous hoops to be really efficient about screen updates. and now if the CPU just stays at 400MHz regardless of load being 0 it's not good. |
| 09:27.57 | RST38h | X-Fade: And yes, it has got a video out, so you may not need upnp |
| 09:28.10 | X-Fade | RST38h: blah, I dislike cables ;) |
| 09:28.28 | kynde | lardman: you happen to know what exactly modifies it? kernel DSP stuff or what? |
| 09:28.29 | Jaffa | X-Fade: when I want a bigger screen, I use a bigger computer (such as the mobo-less one under my TV) |
| 09:28.30 | timeless_mbp | kynde: ever met Schrödinger's cat? |
| 09:28.31 | X-Fade | RST38h: Why using a wire when it can be done wirelessly. |
| 09:28.31 | lardman | kynde: dyntick still works |
| 09:28.55 | lardman | kynde: the kernel changes the frequency when a dynamic task is loaded |
| 09:29.00 | RST38h | X-Fade: Because you would have to have an extra computer plugged into your tv? |
| 09:29.03 | lardman | kynde: what's your app? |
| 09:29.14 | X-Fade | RST38h: No, my tv has dlna. |
| 09:29.25 | Jaffa | X-Fade: show off ;-p |
| 09:29.29 | RST38h | X-Fade: You are special then =) |
| 09:29.42 | kynde | custom, written by me for the company I work at. |
| 09:29.55 | lardman | yeah, but what does it do? |
| 09:29.56 | Jaffa | 's dad's new TV has DLNA, allegedly, too. But apparently not with anything other than other Panasonic stuff really (IIRC) |
| 09:30.15 | kynde | we're (going to be) using n810 devices as a sort of user remote controllers for gaming devices. |
| 09:30.17 | lardman | hmm, interesting that screen shot of the n900, the writing on the screen is so small it would be unreadable |
| 09:31.00 | kynde | timeless_mbp: nope, but I keep finding boxes that contain it in nethack :-) |
| 09:31.20 | timeless_mbp | kynde: i hope you understand the principle? |
| 09:31.20 | X-Fade | lardman: I don't really think that is a problem? |
| 09:31.33 | timeless_mbp | specifically, the act of observing it changes the object being observed |
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| 09:31.42 | timeless_mbp | how are you measuring cpu state? |
| 09:31.58 | sbaader | Hi all! |
| 09:32.15 | lardman | X-Fade: ok |
| 09:32.20 | kynde | timeless_mbp: I used to work as physicist at HUT (computational quantum physics), so yes, I dare say that I'm acquainted with the subject. :) |
| 09:32.29 | lardman | heads off to get a shower, it's great being on holiday :) |
| 09:32.43 | X-Fade | Hmm check the image, there is no shift key? |
| 09:33.12 | timeless_mbp | kynde: anyway, i wouldn't worry about it :) |
| 09:33.14 | sbaader | I have a problem with the browser on diablo. It finger-scrolls normal htmp pages and iframes nicely, but a <div style="overflow: scroll;"/> can only be scrolled by its scrollbars |
| 09:33.26 | sbaader | any hints to making it finger-scrollable if possible? |
| 09:33.40 | qwerty12_N800 | Maybe Nokia have decided that you don't need it. Just like no-one needs a D-Pad.... |
| 09:33.52 | X-Fade | Hmm no, there is, first one on the bottom row. |
| 09:33.53 | florian | good morning |
| 09:34.01 | RST38h | yea, you do not need it |
| 09:34.12 | X-Fade | press-and-hold? :) |
| 09:34.27 | X-Fade | double-press? |
| 09:34.28 | timeless_mbp | sbaader: use a javascript bookmarklet to stretch the div? :) |
| 09:35.20 | sbaader | timeless_mbp: it is large and scrolls fine with the scrollbar |
| 09:35.30 | kynde | timeless_mbp: yeah, the screen shuts down nicely and I guess I'll have to rely on the kernel dynticks to let it sleep mostly. even so, I dislike the idea that the min freq is raised without the possibility of dropping back down, but I'm assuming it's related to the framebuffer and DSP rendering. |
| 09:35.32 | RST38h | finds it amusing that N900 *has got space* for a dpad but nobody was bright enough to put it there |
| 09:36.02 | sbaader | behaves like an iframe, except taht I can only scroll it with its scrollbar |
| 09:36.07 | timeless_mbp | kynde: my understanding is that in order to talk to the video thing we must change the freq to <400 |
| 09:36.27 | timeless_mbp | sbaader: basically, scrolling is hard |
| 09:36.32 | timeless_mbp | predicting how things will work is hard |
| 09:36.43 | timeless_mbp | convincing ui designers about potential problems is very hard |
| 09:36.43 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, the nokia way is: "if something doesn't work - remove it.". Remember how much complaints of the d-ppad location on the N810, on itt? |
| 09:36.49 | timeless_mbp | sbaader: install fenec |
| 09:36.51 | timeless_mbp | or fennec |
| 09:37.05 | RST38h | sbaader: and nokians do not do hard things, in case you have not understood yet =) |
| 09:37.16 | sbaader | hehe.. |
| 09:37.18 | timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N800: i lost the ability to swap chess positions midgame because of that |
| 09:37.22 | timeless_mbp | :( |
| 09:37.36 | sbaader | i tried fennic but it is a different ting |
| 09:37.37 | RST38h | qwerty: there is really a perfect place for the dpad |
| 09:37.46 | timeless_mbp | (they really did remove that feature because the game could get pissy if you switched positions on the computer) |
| 09:37.57 | RST38h | qwerty: On the back of the device, where your fingers are when you hold it as a camera (horizontally) |
| 09:38.11 | sbaader | I use the browser to prototype a GUI and used an iframe for a scrolling viewport |
| 09:38.13 | qwerty12_N800 | timeless_mbp, heh :( |
| 09:38.14 | kynde | timeless_mbp: that must be it. I guess I'll just have to keep the app sleeping as much as possible. the tcp keepalives that cannot be avoided make it difficult though... |
| 09:39.00 | sbaader | now i chnaged it to a div with overflow:scroll because the iframe has to make requests to change content, and I just want to use ajax in-place updates |
| 09:39.00 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: too logical :( |
| 09:39.01 | timeless_mbp | you could even use it to control focus of a hypothetical camera |
| 09:39.08 | timeless_mbp | while you watched the full screen viewfinder |
| 09:39.11 | sbaader | so that's teh situation :) |
| 09:39.29 | timeless_mbp | sbaader: sorry... what can i say? |
| 09:39.33 | timeless_mbp | ponders |
| 09:39.36 | RST38h | And "too logical" is a big no-no in your hardware design lab? |
| 09:39.50 | sbaader | hehe |
| 09:40.09 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: so it seems |
| 09:40.19 | timeless_mbp | remember, i've never managed to find those people |
| 09:40.29 | timeless_mbp | this is merely an impression |
| 09:40.39 | RST38h | I mean, coming up with 7380 that looks like a tampon is ok |
| 09:40.54 | X-Fade | Did anybody notice that that N900 shot is running diablo? :) |
| 09:40.54 | RST38h | But putting in damn dpad is not |
| 09:40.55 | timeless_mbp | was that the lipstick phone? |
| 09:41.14 | RST38h | X-Fade: it is apparently not an N900, just some synthetic presentation image |
| 09:41.28 | sbaader | I was just curious if anyone here knew how to make it behave like regular scrolling in the browser -- it seems like an incomplete implementation since both iframes and regular pages scroll by finger touch |
| 09:41.59 | timeless_mbp | sbaader: the browser behaviors in diablo (and earlier, and probably later) are all hacks |
| 09:42.10 | sbaader | damn |
| 09:42.15 | timeless_mbp | and unlike the other stuff about which i'm commenting, i know, that's what i work on |
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| 09:53.49 | LiraNuna | bleh, I compiled gcc4.4 for maemo and now it spits out static binaries with libc at ~500kb for a hello world |
| 09:53.49 | lardman|afk | kynde: the DSP doesn't do rendering of anything other than sound |
| 09:54.27 | lardman|afk | kynde: if you are decoding MP3s or something like that, then it will raise the cpufreq, normal pcm audio shouldn't as that's not handled by a dynamic task |
| 09:57.33 | Macer | it's funny to watch a tv show back to back |
| 09:57.33 | minra | http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20090305165448_AMD_Delays_Bulldozer_Processors_to_2011.html |
| 09:57.36 | Macer | one season after the next |
| 09:57.45 | Macer | when ncis started they had these old ass b/w lcd phones |
| 09:57.55 | minra | i hope you enjoy the n900 |
| 09:57.58 | Macer | now they're up to iphones |
| 09:58.16 | minra | i'll be geekin woth mah pandora |
| 09:58.55 | minra | might get the n900 too |
| 09:59.06 | minra | dont have a decent phone |
| 09:59.15 | Macer | minra: heh |
| 09:59.21 | minra | and that looks like the phone i'd want, tbh |
| 09:59.24 | Macer | minra: probably a problem with the multi core stuff |
| 09:59.27 | Macer | :) again |
| 09:59.32 | Macer | more 3X stuff? |
| 09:59.43 | minra | 3x? |
| 10:00.01 | minra | look, i buy amd out of pure hate |
| 10:00.14 | Macer | X3 |
| 10:00.50 | minra | i havent upgraded my 2ghz athlon 2800 xp |
| 10:01.01 | Macer | haha |
| 10:01.16 | Macer | wasn't it here where we got into a huge conversation about amd having broken processors and releasing them as X3 :) |
| 10:01.19 | Macer | hides |
| 10:01.28 | minra | dunno |
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| 10:02.06 | Macer | wtf |
| 10:02.09 | mavhc | that's how all processors are sold |
| 10:02.09 | minra | just buy AMD when you can |
| 10:02.14 | Macer | wtf is a conesus |
| 10:02.20 | Macer | i didn't know amd had an atom clone :) |
| 10:02.25 | minra | The Power of Christ Compels You! |
| 10:02.29 | Macer | mavhc: haha |
| 10:02.31 | RST38h | Hmmm |
| 10:02.37 | Macer | i don't want to get into that again :) |
| 10:02.39 | RST38h | Does AMD run Scratchbox? |
| 10:02.59 | minra | why not? |
| 10:03.28 | minra | sure buy i7 if you want the fastest |
| 10:03.39 | minra | otherwise, send some cash to amd |
| 10:03.43 | Macer | i want to see what runs a conesus |
| 10:03.45 | Macer | :) |
| 10:04.50 | Macer | "ultraportable" cpu |
| 10:06.17 | timeless_mbp | kynde: sorry, hardware details are really outside my area |
| 10:06.25 | timeless_mbp | if i get things wrong near them, oops :) |
| 10:06.31 | timeless_mbp | i work on browsers |
| 10:06.39 | timeless_mbp | platforms should just work and get out of my way :) |
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| 10:10.33 | RST38h | wonders what drives people to insist on strict XML node structures |
| 10:10.43 | Macer | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834110313 |
| 10:10.46 | Macer | wow that thing is neat |
| 10:11.05 | RST38h | Macer: Seen it in a store. It is ugly like hell |
| 10:11.14 | Macer | how small is it? |
| 10:11.16 | Macer | looks pretty tiny |
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| 10:11.23 | RST38h | Macer: Bit bigger than N800 |
| 10:11.27 | RST38h | Macer: Way thicker |
| 10:11.29 | Macer | wow |
| 10:11.35 | Macer | fits in a pocket? |
| 10:11.44 | RST38h | In a large pocket, yes |
| 10:12.09 | RST38h | You will want cargo pants with that |
| 10:13.35 | Macer | i dunno. a little pricey for what it is but interesting looking |
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| 10:23.21 | timeless_mbp | sp3000, *.nokia.com: ping |
| 10:23.36 | timeless_mbp | did anyone get a text message inviting them to download something (possibly a virus)? |
| 10:24.49 | tekojo | timeless_mbp: yep |
| 10:24.53 | sp3000 | it said " ur " so I ignored it |
| 10:25.05 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: that puzzled me |
| 10:25.17 | timeless_mbp | tekojo: could you please infect your phone and let me know if it's safe? :) |
| 10:25.47 | sp3000 | grandpa is being hip again |
| 10:25.54 | tekojo | timeless_mbp: sure, no problem! |
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| 10:26.13 | timeless_mbp | thanks! |
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| 10:26.31 | sp3000 | also, the device I get those on is so old it doesn't linkify, so I'm like totally immune |
| 10:26.33 | tekojo | No won't infect my phone, won't even work :-( |
| 10:27.26 | timeless_mbp | tekojo: what kind of phone? |
| 10:27.35 | timeless_mbp | the link works fine on my n81 8g |
| 10:27.45 | timeless_mbp | but i'm not really interested in letting it have access to my contacts |
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| 10:28.10 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: does james have a dummy phone w/ a dummy network that we could use? |
| 10:28.18 | timeless_mbp | actually, i should head in |
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| 10:28.25 | timeless_mbp | i mostly solved my mxr bug |
| 10:29.04 | tekojo | timeless_mbp: seems to work on my 6220c |
| 10:29.13 | timeless_mbp | tekojo: ok, so how evil is it? |
| 10:29.54 | sp3000 | how would you find out, in practise :) |
| 10:30.09 | tekojo | timeless_mbp: really evil, on your sanity |
| 10:30.23 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: hrm |
| 10:30.33 | timeless_mbp | you'd need your own private networks |
| 10:30.41 | timeless_mbp | and you'd need a custom address book |
| 10:31.00 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: if it's actually java, you'd probably disassemble it |
| 10:33.02 | timeless_mbp | oh, it's flash |
| 10:33.08 | timeless_mbp | i guess you'd need to use the flash decompiler |
| 10:33.52 | timeless_mbp | tekojo: was the first line at the bottom poorly kerned, bordering on unreadable? |
| 10:33.57 | timeless_mbp | and um, is that a pig grunting at me? |
| 10:34.49 | timeless_mbp | and um |
| 10:34.54 | timeless_mbp | what's wrong w/ the rest of the planet? |
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| 10:35.16 | timeless_mbp | and what do they have against using proper English in sentences? |
| 10:36.39 | timeless_mbp | accidentally quits |
| 10:37.03 | tekojo | timeless_mbp: I quit the thing intentionally |
| 10:37.39 | timeless_mbp | To capture intergalactic value growth. |
| 10:37.42 | timeless_mbp | is that a sentence? |
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| 10:37.52 | timeless_mbp | btw, i didn't see any "this is confidential" in this thing |
| 10:38.22 | timeless_mbp | oh, wow, this is scary |
| 10:38.50 | Macer | it's amazing how shows follow the same theme |
| 10:38.56 | Macer | all shows follow the hollidays |
| 10:39.02 | timeless_mbp | btw, someone should tell them that it isn't a good idea to treat your customers as aliens |
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| 10:39.10 | Macer | the thanksgiving show. the christmas show. halloween |
| 10:39.13 | tekojo | timeless_mbp: It actually doesn't say confidential :-O |
| 10:39.32 | timeless_mbp | tekojo: and they wonder why things leak! |
| 10:39.43 | timeless_mbp | btw, i'm going to intentionally not mention some of the interesting parts |
| 10:39.50 | timeless_mbp | but i claim that there wasn't anything telling me not to |
| 10:39.55 | timeless_mbp | they're just too scary to mention |
| 10:40.15 | timeless_mbp | btw, has Finland heard of Platinum? |
| 10:40.23 | timeless_mbp | or do credit cards here not reach past Gold? |
| 10:40.43 | timeless_mbp | process utilize |
| 10:40.49 | timeless_mbp | there's a great um.. thing? |
| 10:41.15 | timeless_mbp | Macer: on the topic of follows the same theme |
| 10:41.31 | timeless_mbp | this "game" requires you to hit the same point on the screen giving a fixed starting point |
| 10:42.18 | timeless_mbp | frowns |
| 10:42.23 | timeless_mbp | i also think they're having trouble counting |
| 10:42.31 | timeless_mbp | i think they told me to count to 4, but i ended up at 5 |
| 10:43.17 | timeless_mbp | oh good |
| 10:43.36 | timeless_mbp | they have an Execution point |
| 10:43.41 | timeless_mbp | who can we execute? |
| 10:44.00 | timeless_mbp | can we spend points for each Execution? i have lots of points :) |
| 10:44.44 | timeless_mbp | ok, it's LunchOClock |
| 10:44.50 | timeless_mbp | time to munch |
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| 10:54.20 | LiraNuna | success! I got gcc 4.4 targeting maemo on x86_64 |
| 10:55.37 | LiraNuna | maemo4 at least |
| 10:55.58 | rkirti | LiraNuna: wow :) |
| 10:56.37 | LiraNuna | anyone interested in build instructions? |
| 10:57.51 | qwerty12_N800 | You can also install the cs2007/2008 toolchain for scratchbox & set up a new target. that's how I did it last time :) |
| 10:58.15 | LiraNuna | but that's using gcc 3.4 |
| 10:58.34 | qwerty12_N800 | Not with a new toolchain installed |
| 10:59.53 | LiraNuna | you can't install the toolchain on 64bit though |
| 11:00.08 | LiraNuna | at least without hacking |
| 11:00.16 | kynde | lardman|afk: oh, got it now. opening SDL_mixer causes the scaling_min_freq to jump to 400000. this is good, since I can easily close it when there little going on. |
| 11:00.23 | qwerty12_N800 | Yeah, I'm using a 32-bit system here... |
| 11:00.44 | LiraNuna | qwerty12_N800, I don't :) and installing the official SDK is a mess |
| 11:01.40 | qwerty12_N800 | yeah :) |
| 11:01.40 | LiraNuna | so I compiled my own toolchain |
| 11:03.53 | LiraNuna | I might document it on my site so other people may benefit from it |
| 11:04.05 | LiraNuna | hacking libc wasn't fun, it's all hardcoded |
| 11:07.38 | t_s_o | ugh, i really hope this "rover" is a very bad hoax... |
| 11:07.51 | Jaffa | t_s_o: signs point to "not hoax" |
| 11:08.02 | t_s_o | ye gods... |
| 11:08.15 | jeremiah_afk | It is a little disappointing that the screen is getting smaller. |
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| 11:08.55 | Jaffa | If nothing else, the "Rover" name wasn't very well known - and ties in with an accidental commit to a changelog containing it, and a mention about it - the day before the leak - on the Beagle Board thread. |
| 11:09.23 | jeremiah_ | I don't think Rover is such a bad name. |
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| 11:11.10 | X-Fade | If anything, it would be just a code name? Like Selene was for N810? |
| 11:11.27 | thux | car name isn't it? rover |
| 11:11.34 | t_s_o | i just find those images somewhat "funny", as the latest seems to have basically pasted a screenshot of maemo4 on top of the render mobilecrunch presented, along with buttons from the N810 |
| 11:11.51 | X-Fade | Those are all space related terms btw. |
| 11:11.52 | t_s_o | tho that small green shape at the edge of the image is confusing me |
| 11:12.08 | X-Fade | We had Sputnik, Gagarin, Selene and now Rover |
| 11:12.12 | LiraNuna | those aren't the N810 buttons |
| 11:12.16 | LiraNuna | the space bar is different |
| 11:12.38 | t_s_o | but the best bit is the amount of heavy compression artifacts... |
| 11:13.00 | mavhc | where are these images? |
| 11:13.13 | Jaffa | Oh, yeah, I guess it's a codename; but the fact it was a fairly secret codename - and now being mentioned in the leak - firms the leak up. |
| 11:13.19 | t_s_o | http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-n900-rover-internet-tablet-details-leak-2644704/ |
| 11:13.30 | Jaffa | Combined with the comments from Texrat and Mara on tmo; it looks pretty accurate |
| 11:13.39 | thux | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rover_(car) |
| 11:14.08 | t_s_o | funny thing tho, the cellpassion image, where slashgear got it i belive, is named lowres_nokrover.jpg... |
| 11:14.13 | LiraNuna | http://farm1.static.flickr.com/16/20546478_07f2a513ae.jpg?v=0 |
| 11:14.38 | jjo | LiraNuna: how would you make the installation better? |
| 11:15.23 | LiraNuna | jjo, add native support for 64bit as well as include documentation for the brave ones who want to compile their own toolchain |
| 11:16.07 | LiraNuna | I had to use the libc6 and libc6-dev packages from maemo to generate my own libc for bootstrap |
| 11:16.25 | t_s_o | LiraNuna: now that you have drawn my attention to it, yes the space is different, but different in that its the same graphic as used in the full screen on-screen keyboard |
| 11:16.25 | LiraNuna | and most of the symlinked were hardcoded to use /lib/*.so |
| 11:16.40 | kynde | lardman|afk: thanks! got it. I'll just close the SDL_mixer when there nothing going on and the scaling_min_freq indeed drops back to 165000 |
| 11:16.59 | LiraNuna | t_s_o, now that you mention it, it does look like it |
| 11:17.19 | jjo | LiraNuna: thanks :) |
| 11:17.22 | LiraNuna | there's also no Chr key |
| 11:17.27 | Jaffa | LiraNuna: Or Fn |
| 11:17.35 | LiraNuna | jjo, are you the maemo sdk maintainer? |
| 11:17.51 | jjo | part of the fremantle team, yes |
| 11:17.55 | LiraNuna | I didn't mean to criticize or anything :( |
| 11:18.05 | jjo | I didn't take it like that |
| 11:18.08 | jeremiah_ | jjo: Good to see people lik you hanging out here. :) |
| 11:18.18 | LiraNuna | I'm used to compiling me own toolchains |
| 11:18.24 | jeremiah_ | And by lik I mean like. |
| 11:18.33 | LiraNuna | I got ~10 cross compilers at my workstation |
| 11:18.42 | jjo | we've triedt to make the installation as easy as possible, but still please the legal department |
| 11:18.54 | jjo | 64-bit is problematic though |
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| 11:19.02 | jeremiah_ | jjo: The problem is the legal department. :P |
| 11:19.03 | t_s_o | hmm, they could have yanked the keys from the N810W, except the symbols are blue, not orange |
| 11:19.22 | LiraNuna | jjo, how come? maybe I can help |
| 11:19.42 | LiraNuna | t_s_o, I got an N810WE and it has the same keyboard as N810 |
| 11:19.45 | LiraNuna | just orange |
| 11:20.21 | t_s_o | yep, i just wondered where a potential image edit may get some white on black keys, as the N810 was black on silver... |
| 11:20.51 | jjo | ther isn't a 64-bit scratchbox and no real support for that |
| 11:21.06 | LiraNuna | oh, I don't know how scratchbox works |
| 11:21.16 | Stskeeps | isn't sb2 the sdk future though? |
| 11:21.27 | LiraNuna | I think it's a combination of qemu and maemo for i386? |
| 11:21.45 | jjo | sb2 is one option |
| 11:22.00 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Fremantle beta is still sb1, so I guess that they won't switch official ones before release ;) |
| 11:22.02 | jjo | it would solve some problems but also introduce new ones |
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| 11:22.20 | jjo | still, fremantle will use sb1 |
| 11:23.00 | LiraNuna | jjo, can you explain how scratchbox works? |
| 11:23.14 | LiraNuna | +please |
| 11:23.16 | rmt_ | Magic! |
| 11:23.20 | LiraNuna | :O |
| 11:23.30 | jjo | unfortunately I'm not a scratchbox expert :( |
| 11:23.35 | LiraNuna | ah |
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| 11:23.48 | jjo | suihkulokki or jumpula might be able to help there |
| 11:23.49 | Stskeeps | i'm not sure many people are |
| 11:24.34 | rmt_ | LiraNuna, Yes, qemu plus lots of directory linking to setup a runtime environment.. SB2 is much nicer than SB1.. I setup SB2 in a 32bit ubuntu chroot, since I use 64bit ubuntu. |
| 11:26.05 | LiraNuna | is the 64bit problem[s?] from qemu or something else? |
| 11:27.27 | jumpula | simply put scratchbox is just a chroot with host tools inside /scratchbox and target stuff inside the normal system paths + some cpu transparency and redirection magic |
| 11:27.43 | jumpula | (talking about sb1 of course) |
| 11:28.15 | jumpula | LiraNuna: do you have a more specific question in mind? |
| 11:28.19 | jeremiah_ | jumpula: If it is just a chroot - why not use cowbuilder or pbuilder from debian? |
| 11:28.43 | LiraNuna | jumpula, not really and sorry if I'm bothering people, I've never used scratchbox |
| 11:28.52 | jumpula | they don't have host tools (including cross compiler) and cpu transparency methods |
| 11:29.10 | jeremiah_ | jumpula: You can add those with apt |
| 11:29.42 | jeremiah_ | At runtime. |
| 11:29.54 | jumpula | host tools means this case tools for your host's architecture (the one you're doing cross compiling with) |
| 11:30.26 | jeremiah_ | Right. Just call apt and pull them into the live chroot. |
| 11:30.32 | jumpula | jeremiah_: yes, but then they're target architecture |
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| 11:33.18 | jeremiah_ | Why can't the mechanisms used in sb be moved into cowbuilder? Since it is Copy on write it feels much faster than sb. |
| 11:33.46 | jeremiah_ | Plus any simplification of the build toolchain I think would be welcomed by developers. |
| 11:34.08 | jumpula | i have never tried cowbuilder, so can't really say |
| 11:34.38 | jumpula | there are quite many ways to do cross platform development, sb1 being one option |
| 11:35.17 | jeremiah_ | jumpula: Yeah. I don't mean to sound critical, I realize it is a complicated process for you guys what with the legal and technical issues. |
| 11:35.31 | jumpula | or rather, building a rootstrap for target architecture other than then host you're using. |
| 11:35.33 | LiraNuna | --host=arm-linux-gnueabi anyone |
| 11:36.10 | Stskeeps | jeremiah_: full system emulation is a heck lot slower than user level emulation |
| 11:36.42 | jumpula | from the gnu software stack, there's not many that can be configured to crosscompile nicely |
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| 11:37.06 | jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: True. |
| 11:37.14 | LiraNuna | jumpula, true - but I have done it so many times I know my way around it |
| 11:37.31 | Stskeeps | jeremiah_: sb2 is going in the right direction with proper qemu user level emulation and support for cross compilers |
| 11:37.35 | Stskeeps | (as is OBS) |
| 11:38.15 | jumpula | there are people that know their way around it, but usually stuff like that means extra work. |
| 11:38.23 | Jaffa | dneary: I'd love to thanks you for http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=290391&postcount=75 - but doing so may detract from your message, and pull you into the conspiracy |
| 11:39.15 | jumpula | sb1 one of the design principles was that if you have for example a debian package you want to compile to a different architecture *without modifying the package and building all the dependencies with it* you can easily do that with sb1 |
| 11:39.48 | jumpula | and the fact that the tools native to your host architecture run faster when compared to everything run under emulation |
| 11:40.01 | jumpula | *in sb1 |
| 11:41.05 | jeremiah_ | jumpula: Hmm. Those are pretty smart design principles. |
| 11:41.10 | jumpula | it's a hack and not even a pretty one, but for that particular purpose it suits quite well :) |
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| 11:42.45 | LiraNuna | what would be my legal obligation if I upload a fixed (structure wise, code/binary is 1:1) version of maemo4 glibc suitable for bootstrapping GCC for cross compilation? |
| 11:42.53 | LiraNuna | upload = distribute |
| 11:43.56 | LiraNuna | I want to write a guide in my site to help other people compile their own maemo toolchain, but the process of getting libc together is not very pleasent and I'd like to give a pre-structured version of it included |
| 11:44.43 | LiraNuna | the files were taken from the debian packages of maemo (libc6, libc6-dev and linux-headers) |
| 11:44.48 | jeremiah_ | LiraNuna: Look at the licenses of the software you want to distribute. |
| 11:45.22 | jeremiah_ | If you can take all that code directly from debian and have it do what you want, you should have no problem. |
| 11:45.34 | LiraNuna | binaries |
| 11:45.37 | jeremiah_ | LiraNuna: The second you include proprietary blobs you are in trouble. |
| 11:46.22 | LiraNuna | jeremiah_, those are libc from debian, and according to the GPL I must supply source by demand, which is not in my possession |
| 11:46.35 | LiraNuna | s/debian/maemo/ |
| 11:46.41 | Stskeeps | put the source out along with it? |
| 11:46.57 | LiraNuna | Stskeeps, I don't know where it is.. |
| 11:47.12 | jeremiah_ | apt-get source? |
| 11:47.37 | LiraNuna | oh, if so, I can just redirect |
| 11:50.52 | LiraNuna | http://pastie.org/489930 |
| 11:50.52 | LiraNuna | :) |
| 11:51.23 | lcuk | xnt14[ipod], damn you i replied last night |
| 11:51.28 | lcuk | but you had gone |
| 11:52.21 | xnt14[ipod] | sorry, I had to go to sleep, I literally fell asleep on the keyboard, I just pulled the cord and went to bed :P/:( |
| 11:52.32 | xnt14[ipod] | just pm me the log |
| 11:52.36 | lcuk | lol |
| 11:52.39 | xnt14[ipod] | lol |
| 11:52.43 | lcuk | nahhh u missed it |
| 11:52.49 | lcuk | its gone now into the ether :P |
| 11:52.51 | xnt14[ipod] | im registering my nick(s) |
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| 11:58.25 | z4chh | i think ill buy a cheap n810 battery on ebay so i can keep my n810 on the charger for long periods of time |
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| 11:59.26 | oDuda | hello all 1 |
| 12:03.35 | LiraNuna | hello oDuda 2 |
| 12:04.00 | oDuda | I was removing gizmo and made a script to do this... with the score of dkpg listing... the scripts only run with sudo command and give me no results messages... any idea ? |
| 12:04.19 | oDuda | LiraNuna hahahahha Hello ! |
| 12:04.34 | LiraNuna | oh, those weren't serial numbers? |
| 12:04.51 | oDuda | no ! index numbers only hehe |
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| 12:05.15 | oDuda | that 1 would be a ! ... heheh |
| 12:05.29 | oDuda | again hello all ! |
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| 12:06.52 | sanjay6976 | hi |
| 12:06.59 | oDuda | hi ! |
| 12:07.14 | oDuda | hi sanjay5976 |
| 12:07.23 | oDuda | 69.. hehe |
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| 12:07.26 | sanjay6976 | hi oDuda |
| 12:07.35 | mib_2u3c58 | hi |
| 12:07.46 | oDuda | hi mib_2u3c58 |
| 12:08.06 | mib_2u3c58 | i want to ask a question. |
| 12:08.32 | oDuda | just ask ! somebody will see it ! |
| 12:08.46 | mib_2u3c58 | thank you! |
| 12:08.58 | oDuda | :-) |
| 12:09.23 | sanjay6976 | i am installing Qt4.5 on maemo 4.1.2 so while i give qmake -qt4 -v i am getting an error segmentation fault (core dumped) |
| 12:09.29 | sanjay6976 | any idea |
| 12:10.07 | oDuda | me not sanjay6976 - sorry ! |
| 12:11.15 | sanjay6976 | oDuda:k thanks |
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| 12:12.39 | oDuda | sanjay6976 - just you saw http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/ ? |
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| 12:14.37 | mib_fgp5xu | i want to find the header of a class or function.how i should do? |
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| 12:15.11 | qwerty12_N800 | lizardo, thanks for the email on -developers! reassuring to see that debian build log :) |
| 12:16.17 | lizardo | qwerty12_N800: yeah, they keep the build logs for all packages there , so it is a good reference to see if some warnings are expected or not :) |
| 12:17.07 | qwerty12_N800 | Will remember that :) |
| 12:18.08 | mib_fgp5xu | i want to know where is the function's header. |
| 12:18.12 | minra | n900 looks like a great phone |
| 12:18.14 | mib_fgp5xu | how to find |
| 12:18.32 | mib_fgp5xu | anybody know? |
| 12:19.02 | minra | i end up searching manually mib_fgp5xu |
| 12:19.08 | minra | grep -r helps |
| 12:20.00 | sanjay6976 | i am installing Qt4.5 on maemo 4.1.2 so while i give qmake -qt4 -v i am getting an error segmentation fault (core dumped) |
| 12:20.20 | sanjay6976 | for DIABLO_ARMEL |
| 12:21.00 | minra | who here do you thnk knows what you are talking bout sanjay6976 ? |
| 12:21.18 | jeremiah_ | sanjay6976: You can look at core dumps in the GNU debugger |
| 12:21.27 | jeremiah_ | Look at gdb for help |
| 12:21.53 | minra | meta-help ftw |
| 12:22.11 | jeremiah_ | heh |
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| 12:44.44 | LiraNuna | where can I find a maemo4 rootfs? |
| 12:46.00 | qwerty12_N800 | rootfs or bootstrap for your toolchain setup? |
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| 12:49.24 | LiraNuna | scratchbox2 bootstrap |
| 12:49.36 | LiraNuna | apparently scratchbox2 is in ubuntu's repos |
| 12:50.06 | jumpula | it's been a while there |
| 12:50.11 | jumpula | should be in debian sid too |
| 12:50.37 | LiraNuna | I want to see how well it works on 64bit |
| 12:51.48 | qwerty12_N800 | LiraNuna, (not sure if it's a sbox1 only rootstrap, if it can be used on both or if sbox2 has its own one) http://repository.maemo.org/stable/diablo/armel/maemo-sdk-rootstrap_4.1.2_armel.tgz |
| 12:52.05 | LiraNuna | woot, thank you qwerty12_N800 |
| 12:52.12 | LiraNuna | you've been a lot of help |
| 12:52.27 | qwerty12_N800 | :) |
| 12:52.36 | Stskeeps | passes qwerty12_N800 a cookie |
| 12:53.21 | qwerty12_N800 | takes it, greatfully, thanks |
| 12:55.49 | LiraNuna | seems like it doesn't like gnueabi |
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| 12:56.39 | mib_xgmlnv | how to find function header,anybody know? |
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| 12:58.17 | mib_xgmlnv | i am a newbie,who can answer for me thanks |
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| 12:58.37 | mib_xgmlnv | how to find function header,anybody know |
| 12:58.45 | mib_xgmlnv | how to find function header,anybody know? |
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| 13:00.15 | jeremiah_ | wonders where his cookie is. |
| 13:01.04 | Myrtti | COOKIES! |
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| 13:05.28 | RST38h | moo wazd |
| 13:06.33 | wazd | RST38h: heya |
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| 13:07.51 | AStorm | mib_xgmlnv, which function, what file, wtf? or are you some trollness? |
| 13:08.01 | AStorm | usually it's in some .h file (or .hpp for c++ headers sometimes) - check your include statements |
| 13:08.03 | AStorm | other than that, this is the wrong channel |
| 13:12.06 | mib_xgmlnv | AStorm,i want to know the location of some functon and look the description ralative to them,how do? |
| 13:12.15 | mib_xgmlnv | thank you ? |
| 13:12.23 | mib_xgmlnv | thanks! |
| 13:13.05 | AStorm | mib_xgmlnv, grep might be of some use too |
| 13:13.27 | mib_xgmlnv | grep is slow and block |
| 13:13.48 | AStorm | yes, it is, but it will find what you want *if* it's in your package |
| 13:14.02 | AStorm | it might be system or library include - then check your #include |
| 13:14.22 | AStorm | if it's a system header (usually with <>, but not always), try the manpage |
| 13:15.15 | mib_xgmlnv | this is for all function in maemo 4.1.2 |
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| 13:15.24 | mib_xgmlnv | all can be found? |
| 13:15.38 | mib_xgmlnv | i want to find some function or class |
| 13:16.01 | mib_xgmlnv | there is lot of function i am not familar with |
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| 13:47.10 | Macer | hm |
| 13:47.45 | Macer | you can tell that the actress that plays abby is on drugs |
| 13:47.46 | Macer | :) |
| 13:47.53 | Macer | or drunk... or something |
| 13:48.10 | Stskeeps | abby.. west wing or some other? |
| 13:48.11 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 13:48.36 | Bobbe | ER? |
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| 13:49.21 | lbt | NCIS |
| 13:49.42 | lbt | and she's actually just a good actress. |
| 13:50.23 | Macer | lbt: i've only seen her on ncis |
| 13:50.29 | Macer | in which i think she is kind of annoying |
| 13:50.38 | Macer | wtf is a perky goth girl? |
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| 13:51.15 | Stskeeps | you obviously haven't spent enough time with perky goth girls |
| 13:51.15 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:51.20 | Macer | lol |
| 13:51.25 | Macer | no can't say i have |
| 13:51.34 | Macer | i thought the whole point of being goth was to be all dreary |
| 13:52.22 | Stskeeps | nah |
| 13:52.25 | Stskeeps | you're thinking about emos |
| 13:53.35 | nomis | knows a perky goth girl. Married and has a kid. |
| 13:54.37 | Stskeeps | doesn't wear eyeliner, dark nail polish or has long dark hair.. anymore |
| 13:54.38 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:54.54 | Bobbe | lol |
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| 13:56.40 | Macer | Stskeeps: hahah |
| 13:58.00 | RST38h | Sts: Do you still feel like making a bloody sacrifice at the altar of an ancient horned deity? |
| 13:58.26 | Macer | lol |
| 13:58.28 | Stskeeps | RST38h: occasionally when discussing with luke-jr |
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| 14:03.53 | RST38h | Sts: then you are ok =) |
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| 14:09.45 | __t | hi, does anyone know if peter schneider still works for nokia and how to reach him? |
| 14:09.45 | __t | http://maemo.org/profile/view/peterschneider/ |
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| 14:10.35 | roope | Yes, Peter works. |
| 14:10.49 | roope | Peter is Peter@Maemo marketing in the Talk forums. |
| 14:11.07 | roope | (oh, I guess you just posted that anyway. :) |
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| 14:12.47 | lcuk | did anyone work out if all the specs stuff on the web was leaked or if it was officially pushed? |
| 14:13.49 | Bobbe | didn't see anybody from nokia pronounce at itt (except Quim going like "You're kidding, right?" about Nokia validation at that time), so i guess not |
| 14:13.50 | Stskeeps | they probably leaked it so the flames would go out at iTT ;p |
| 14:14.02 | Bobbe | yeap, exactly what I was typing |
| 14:14.11 | Bobbe | that mockup in mobilecrunch, tho, disheartening... |
| 14:15.24 | Stskeeps | i still think it's a shovel intended to get more people to use maemo |
| 14:15.28 | Stskeeps | i would have done similar |
| 14:16.08 | Bobbe | even with a smaller screen? Didn't they know they would make people cry and spit and rip off their beards? |
| 14:16.32 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, yes, but with a device that was actually worth leaking the details of, I hope? |
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| 14:17.14 | Jaffa | lcuk: If the release dates are being stuck to a convenient "leak" may help; but I doubt Nokia's marketing dept. likes leaks, being the big old company that they are |
| 14:18.03 | Jaffa | needs to go and handle a G1, since they're so similar in size. |
| 14:18.03 | RST38h | found and killed 8 copies of Modest running in background on his N810 |
| 14:18.03 | RST38h | Anyone else encountered THIS particular glitch? |
| 14:18.05 | X-Fade | RST38h: 8 threads probably? |
| 14:18.06 | JamieBennett | Jaffa Maybe a iPhone is a better comparison size wise |
| 14:18.17 | RST38h | Jaffa: Just imagine that your screen shrunk to the size of the application area in Diablo |
| 14:18.37 | Bobbe | RST38h, can't say. I configured it yesterday and it didn't download any e-mails yet to nag me with |
| 14:18.38 | RST38h | Jaffa: It is not going to kill anyone, but is kinda uncomfortable |
| 14:18.52 | RST38h | Bobbe: Oh, I no longer expect it to download anything |
| 14:19.02 | RST38h | Bobbe: It hangs all the time irreversiblyy |
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| 14:19.21 | RST38h | X-Fade: Well, each had its own memory (and quite a lot of it) |
| 14:19.33 | __t | roope: do you know some phonenumber or where to find? i cant find something at userpage of peter@maemo . |
| 14:19.34 | Bobbe | At least they admit it's a crappy e-mail client |
| 14:19.43 | Bobbe | I heard this lecture from a top guy at nokia |
| 14:19.49 | Macer | hm |
| 14:19.54 | Bobbe | can't remember who |
| 14:19.54 | Macer | does ssl encrypt the whole connection? |
| 14:19.57 | Bobbe | but he admitted |
| 14:20.00 | X-Fade | We're talking about a 1.5cm diagonal difference. This is not a lot ;) |
| 14:20.16 | RST38h | Bobbe: Admitting that one of core device use scenarios does not work is kinda...insufficient, don't you think? |
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| 14:20.25 | X-Fade | from 10.4 to 8.9cm.. |
| 14:20.40 | Bobbe | RST38h, absolutely. In comes Claws ;) |
| 14:21.18 | RST38h | X-Fade: When reading, every cm counts |
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| 14:21.51 | X-Fade | RST38h: Still a few years before we can fold out our big oled :) |
| 14:22.08 | Jaffa | JamieBennett: G1 is closer thickness: http://bleb.org/software/maemo/rover-size.jpg |
| 14:22.23 | X-Fade | Folding is the only thing that makes sense for pocket devices? |
| 14:22.32 | RST38h | X-Fade: I do not think so |
| 14:22.40 | X-Fade | As small as possible in your pocket, bigger when opened? |
| 14:23.23 | RST38h | X-Fade: Easier (technically) method would be to have two halves of the screen shifting vertically |
| 14:23.31 | Jaffa | X-Fade: I've not done the maths, but 1.5cm diagonal difference is probably a large %ge in terms of viewable area |
| 14:23.59 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Yes, RST38h approximation was about correct. |
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| 14:24.03 | RST38h | X-Fade: This way you can still hold it in one hand, you do not have that mechanical difficulty of a fold, and you get dimensiosns of a book page |
| 14:24.07 | X-Fade | Jaffa: The app area of diablo. |
| 14:24.31 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Indeed |
| 14:25.03 | X-Fade | Jaffa: But it also means that the device fits inside the screen of the n810 (almost) |
| 14:25.15 | wazd | The first thing to make me think it's fake is release dates |
| 14:25.16 | RST38h | X-Fade: Still, I think that just using N810 display removing all border would do the trick |
| 14:25.27 | RST38h | wazd: Why? |
| 14:25.43 | wazd | RST38h: July on T-Mobile - Don't think so |
| 14:25.44 | X-Fade | RST38h: Yes, I'm for an all screen device too. But yeah, what can I do about that ;) |
| 14:25.46 | RST38h | X-Fade: and adding goddamn dpad on the back |
| 14:26.18 | RST38h | wazd: it is 100% believable schedule, if you assume that T-Mobile paid them shitload of money for the exclusive launch |
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| 14:26.38 | RST38h | X-Fade: Get a SmartQ 5? :) |
| 14:27.25 | Jaffa | It's also entirely believable given the dates discussed last September. |
| 14:27.28 | wazd | RST38h: no "real" Beta SDK now, and it's June, Nokia really think that the Stars would be ready in 1 month?) |
| 14:27.30 | RST38h | wazd: ...and now holds them by the balls until October |
| 14:27.39 | Jaffa | Now, whether that's likely for current dates... |
| 14:27.50 | Jaffa | wazd: Err, we've got the "real" beta SDK (haven't we?) |
| 14:27.51 | RST38h | wazd: I do not think the part of Nokia responsible for the device release cares about this |
| 14:28.14 | RST38h | Jaffa: Too many parts missing (or that is my perception alone?) |
| 14:28.32 | Jaffa | RST38h: Lots of parts missing, not much for "typical" app development AIUI |
| 14:28.52 | lcuk | X-Fade, did you get my mail about the formatting? is there anything that can be done? |
| 14:28.53 | RST38h | Jaffa: Then it is not beta SDK really |
| 14:28.57 | Jaffa | i.e. SDK doesn't really need final app switching UI; or a web browser |
| 14:28.58 | lcuk | thx jaffa |
| 14:29.03 | RST38h | Jaffa: It is an alpha quickly refreshed for that dev meeting |
| 14:29.08 | X-Fade | lcuk: Haven't seen it yet? |
| 14:29.10 | wazd | Jaffa: what we have now is "sort of" beta SDK :) |
| 14:29.37 | wazd | Jaffa: "to be continued" Beta SDK :D |
| 14:29.46 | Jaffa | wazd / RST38h: your definitions don't have to match Nokia's. |
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| 14:29.53 | RST38h | Jaffa: They do not, true |
| 14:29.55 | lcuk | ahhh X-Fade i sent you a mail over the weekend after i posted a slashdot journal, the formatting on planet for my posting is screwed |
| 14:30.03 | lcuk | and the youtube link is merged with the next line :$ |
| 14:30.12 | RST38h | Jaffa: What wazd (and me) are trying to say is that the current "beta" SDK is kinda raw for a beta |
| 14:30.13 | Jaffa | But anyway, the mobilecrunch thing said "as at the start of the year" - lots of time for slippage |
| 14:30.20 | RST38h | Yep |
| 14:30.21 | X-Fade | lcuk: Still not using a proper blog? :) |
| 14:30.51 | wazd | Jaffa: Ture but we still can't properly develop our software to make it use a maximum of the device |
| 14:31.31 | X-Fade | wazd: As long as there is no complete device emulator, you will always have that problem. |
| 14:31.34 | Jaffa | wazd: agreed, but I wouldn't hold my breath for another big release. On the flip side, look at the Conboy screenshots: it's looking fantastic in the SDK |
| 14:31.38 | lcuk | X-Fade, slashdot is a proper place lol, |
| 14:31.40 | wazd | Jaffa: And Nokia wrote Vlad if he can change OMWeather settings to make them more finger-friendly |
| 14:32.26 | wazd | Jaffa: How the hell I can judge if UI is friendly or not if I even don't know the screen diagonal?) |
| 14:32.48 | lcuk | isnt it pretty much still the same size? |
| 14:33.07 | lcuk | didnt x-fade just say less than 2cm difference |
| 14:33.08 | wazd | lcuk: well, there are rumors that it's 3/5@ |
| 14:33.17 | Macer | hm |
| 14:33.21 | Macer | anybody here try out sctp? |
| 14:34.27 | lcuk | wazd, either way theres not much in it - the problems you are envisaging would come if you tried to use 800*480 on a 12" screen |
| 14:35.05 | lcuk | knows cos liqbase feels like a toy on his big laptop |
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| 14:35.12 | wazd | lcuk: 2cm is a pretty big difference :) |
| 14:35.43 | lcuk | really? |
| 14:35.45 | X-Fade | wazd: 1.5 ;) |
| 14:36.03 | X-Fade | again a big difference over 2 ;) |
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| 14:36.05 | Bobbe | argh, I just wish they came clean already |
| 14:36.18 | X-Fade | Bobbe: What's the fun in that? |
| 14:36.42 | Ave | is it possible to install tear into stock diablo-setup? |
| 14:36.42 | lcuk | has no problems with scale, everything is dynamic :) |
| 14:36.50 | Ave | I dont want to install mer just because of tera |
| 14:37.04 | Bobbe | ave, qole.org |
| 14:37.15 | Bobbe | add his repo, tear will be there |
| 14:37.17 | wazd | Well, I've found a way to pass that problem - just to base on SDK elements sizes |
| 14:37.18 | lcuk | wazd, if 1.5cm is the difference between a system working and not working then you have bigger problems |
| 14:37.21 | Bobbe | with dependencies =) |
| 14:37.38 | lcuk | think of all the other devices mer is being ported to |
| 14:37.49 | lcuk | how on earth are you gonna cope with different resolutions |
| 14:37.50 | Ave | Bobbe: thanks |
| 14:37.52 | lcuk | and formats and dpis |
| 14:38.05 | Stskeeps | so far it's actually going fine |
| 14:38.07 | Ave | I did find out where to get tear, but not dependencies .. |
| 14:38.11 | RST38h | can probably forgive the screen and the lack of dpad, and more stuff too, as long as N900 replaces his phone |
| 14:38.15 | wazd | lcuk: it's not about "working", it's about "finger-friendliness" |
| 14:38.33 | lcuk | yes wazd, so how are you gonna cope with what i said? |
| 14:38.42 | lcuk | the freerunner doesnt have as many pixels etc |
| 14:38.53 | Ave | oh noes, the "n900" rumours here too huh, I just managed to wade thru the tmo thread |
| 14:38.54 | wazd | lcuk: and honestly it sucks :D |
| 14:38.56 | lcuk | the zaurus as well |
| 14:38.59 | X-Fade | wonders why the 'phone' doesn't have typicall nokia red an green button. |
| 14:39.05 | RST38h | wazd: BTW, some Finnish guy contacted me and asked for ATI sources |
| 14:39.07 | lcuk | and you might use it on a higher dpi device |
| 14:39.12 | Ave | X-Fade: soft buttons maybe? |
| 14:39.13 | RST38h | wazd: Going to port them to Freeriunner |
| 14:39.18 | lcuk | basically, your ui could adapt to the conditions around |
| 14:39.19 | Ave | iButins |
| 14:39.26 | X-Fade | Or it isn't a phone ;) |
| 14:39.29 | RST38h | wazd: I gave him the source code, just not sure what he is going to do with the images :) |
| 14:40.27 | X-Fade | That is the fun thing about speculating. |
| 14:41.07 | RST38h | X-Fade: it does not have any buttons to begin with, so that stuff may be purely in software :) |
| 14:41.18 | X-Fade | I can easily see on guy mixing a t-mobile data plan and it being a phone. |
| 14:41.29 | X-Fade | And then it goes off from there. |
| 14:41.31 | RST38h | X-Fade: If it is not a phone though, I am just taking 5800. |
| 14:41.49 | wazd | lcuk: it adapts, but not for all conditions in the world :) |
| 14:41.57 | X-Fade | RST38h: Yeah, buttons on the screen would easily be possible. |
| 14:42.12 | X-Fade | Just like we have voip calls now. |
| 14:42.27 | RST38h | X-Fade: Would make perfect sense to me, too, given that it is not Symbian so those three buttons are not mandatory |
| 14:42.50 | lcuk | wazd, never said it has to, but fractional differences as it appears to be in this leaked sace wouldnt matter SO much surely? as you said you are gonna use the dimensions gtk provides which is good :) |
| 14:42.58 | lcuk | case ^ |
| 14:44.14 | wazd | holy crap, I've got an idea |
| 14:44.26 | wazd | wowowow |
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| 14:45.24 | RST38h | wazd:? |
| 14:45.40 | wazd | RST38h: for the UI, gotta draw it right now :) |
| 14:46.05 | RST38h | heh |
| 14:47.34 | wazd | RST38h: bout ATi btw, I won't redraw faceplates for 640x480 :) |
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| 14:47.57 | RST38h | wazd: THAT I knew :) |
| 14:48.16 | RST38h | wazd: So if that guy wants to port really badly, he will have to learn some pixel art :) |
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| 14:51.38 | wazd | ELOUEL |
| 14:51.45 | wazd | I love photoshop))) |
| 14:51.59 | luke-jr | you fail |
| 14:52.01 | wazd | http://s52.radikal.ru/i135/0905/1f/6aabfedf671c.png |
| 14:52.13 | wazd | Content-aware scale of the faceplate :) |
| 14:52.59 | kfx | looks like liquid rescale |
| 14:53.37 | X-Fade | And you made typo ;) |
| 14:53.59 | X-Fade | as it is 650 ;) |
| 14:54.17 | wazd | http://s56.radikal.ru/i154/0905/68/7a0e0c925650.jpg |
| 14:54.57 | X-Fade | Ah, dynamic panning? |
| 14:55.06 | wazd | X-Fade: sort of |
| 14:56.31 | RST38h | wazd: how did the second one work? |
| 14:56.48 | X-Fade | RST38h: Open in 2 tabs and switch between them. |
| 14:56.57 | RST38h | buttons are there, screen is there, what got cut??? |
| 14:57.14 | wazd | RST38h: they became tinnier :) |
| 14:57.27 | wazd | RST38h: thinner |
| 14:57.31 | RST38h | ah buttons got squished! |
| 14:57.52 | luke-jr | squishes RST38h's buttons. |
| 14:57.54 | wazd | RST38h: and they all are different sizes now :) |
| 14:58.22 | RST38h | luke-jr: including the big red one? |
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| 15:08.27 | RST38h | Heaven! Heaven! |
| 15:08.48 | RST38h | switched from Modest to Claws and *finally* found what a working mail client should look like |
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| 15:09.47 | Stskeeps | RST38h: i had same feeling |
| 15:10.14 | Corsac | yeah, just too bad claws sucks at icon theming |
| 15:10.21 | Corsac | and is so painful to configure :) |
| 15:10.46 | Stskeeps | on the other hand its not painful when done |
| 15:10.53 | Corsac | sure |
| 15:11.54 | RST38h | is ok with Claws icons |
| 15:12.14 | RST38h | Configuration is also ok, there is too many options but configuring "Basic" is sufficient |
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| 15:29.02 | Jaffa | RST38h: BTW, did the last update to the calc emulator include the bigger button targets that someone did on tmo? |
| 15:33.45 | RST38h | Jaffa: Nope |
| 15:33.56 | RST38h | Jaffa: The guy took the button data and disappeared |
| 15:34.13 | coldboot | How do you install "find" in scratchbox? |
| 15:34.18 | RST38h | Which I kinda expected anyway :) |
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| 15:34.22 | coldboot | apt-get install findutils doesn't get anything. |
| 15:34.41 | Jaffa | RST38h: I was sure I saw him post one model updates |
| 15:34.43 | coldboot | Scratchbox 2, I mean. |
| 15:35.45 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, #28 in your almostti 1.3 released thread :) |
| 15:37.23 | Jaffa | RST38h: Quick search - can't find thread <shrug/> |
| 15:37.30 | Jaffa | qwerty12_N800: Ta |
| 15:37.42 | qwerty12_N800 | Fuck, my wrists will thank me if I IRC from my desktop |
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| 15:38.31 | lardman|afk | language! |
| 15:38.35 | lardman|afk | ;) |
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| 15:40.23 | derf | Yes, don't say "desktop" in here. It's not polite. |
| 15:40.28 | qwerty12 | That's better. |
| 15:47.28 | coldboot | Does anyone actually use scratchbox 2? |
| 15:47.45 | coldboot | Is there a good place to discuss scratchbox at all? The mailing list is basically dead. |
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| 16:02.29 | rmt_ | coldboot, Yes, I use sb2.. it works fine. |
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| 16:10.10 | Stskeeps | wb qwerty12 |
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| 16:11.03 | AndrewBlack | Hello |
| 16:11.46 | Stskeeps | lo AndrewBlack |
| 16:11.51 | qwerty12 | Thank you, Stskeeps |
| 16:12.00 | qwerty12 | hi AndrewBlack |
| 16:13.24 | AndrewBlack | Well I see the world hasn't come to an end yet after New Tablet Stats got leaked |
| 16:13.31 | Stskeeps | AndrewBlack: it's bloody chose |
| 16:13.31 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:13.34 | Stskeeps | close |
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| 16:15.05 | Bobbe | true |
| 16:15.31 | Bobbe | 400+ posts in two days |
| 16:18.40 | AndrewBlack | well I only hate one thing and thats screen size but I knew it was coming |
| 16:19.13 | coldboot | AndrewBlack: Hate about what? |
| 16:19.16 | Bobbe | I don't really care for the d-pad-less thing |
| 16:19.30 | AndrewBlack | coldboot: new tablet specs |
| 16:19.42 | coldboot | AndrewBlack: Where are these specs? |
| 16:19.45 | AndrewBlack | I could do without the t-mobile also |
| 16:19.55 | AndrewBlack | coldboot: look on t.m.o |
| 16:20.09 | Bobbe | oh, I don't even look at that |
| 16:20.10 | coldboot | AndrewBlack: Where is tmo? |
| 16:20.11 | Bobbe | Brazilian |
| 16:20.18 | Bobbe | I know they'll sell it unlocked tho |
| 16:20.26 | Jaffa | coldboot: http://talk.maemo.org |
| 16:20.28 | Bobbe | my question is just how much it'll be |
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| 16:20.42 | Bobbe | or if they will eventually sell it here with brazilian carriers |
| 16:20.43 | AndrewBlack | yeah but for how much more lol |
| 16:20.58 | Bobbe | well, prospects are not very good |
| 16:21.01 | coldboot | What don't you like about the screen? |
| 16:21.09 | Bobbe | n800 is currently R$600 (around RS300 bucks) |
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| 16:21.17 | lcuk | brazzilian carriers, do they wear funky costumes and dance whilst they lift you? |
| 16:21.29 | lcuk | -z |
| 16:21.32 | Bobbe | N810 is R$1,000 (around $500) |
| 16:21.39 | Abulafia | then they strip you |
| 16:21.50 | Bobbe | lcuk, yeah, right after they rip you off in smitherins' |
| 16:21.58 | coldboot | Wow it looks about as crappy as the n810 is. |
| 16:22.06 | lcuk | eek |
| 16:22.14 | coldboot | I doubt you'll be able to type on that thing either. |
| 16:22.37 | Bobbe | but there's one huge advantage here |
| 16:22.44 | Bobbe | contracts are usually 1-year ones, not 2 |
| 16:23.06 | Bobbe | also, do u have portability in the us? do u get to keep the same number even if u change carriers? |
| 16:23.18 | Bobbe | us and/or canada and/or europe, I mean |
| 16:23.34 | coldboot | I think you can keep the same number in Canada now. |
| 16:23.37 | Abulafia | i wish the keyboard on the n810 were as good as my tilt |
| 16:23.58 | Abulafia | bobbe, yes, with some caveats |
| 16:24.04 | Bobbe | I wish it was like the HTC Dortress, or the E75 |
| 16:24.14 | Bobbe | same here =( |
| 16:24.22 | AndrewBlack | I havn't seen a 1 year contract in us in a long time |
| 16:24.31 | Abulafia | i took my 212 landline to my cell |
| 16:24.38 | Bobbe | our contracts are always 1-year |
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| 16:24.52 | Bobbe | i got my e71 for sth like $99 in a one-year contracyt |
| 16:25.01 | Bobbe | of course, internet prices here are OUTRAGEOUS |
| 16:25.24 | Bobbe | Home internet and my cell phone's 3g add up to a hundred US$ a month |
| 16:26.34 | Stskeeps | question - who knows who's more of less in charge of the Maemo/maemo.org part of the danish weekend? |
| 16:26.53 | Stskeeps | highest ranking would be keesj in maemo.org :P |
| 16:27.11 | Abulafia | you own your POTS number, probably can port your cell, you cannot port a number from a voip service |
| 16:27.11 | Bobbe | dunno |
| 16:27.21 | coldboot | Bobbe: In the US? |
| 16:27.21 | Abulafia | in the Us |
| 16:27.27 | Bobbe | nope |
| 16:27.32 | Bobbe | in brazil |
| 16:27.50 | Bobbe | Around R$200 = US$100 |
| 16:27.54 | Bobbe | that's what I pay here |
| 16:28.48 | Bobbe | anyways, gotta go work |
| 16:28.48 | Bobbe | cya guys |
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| 16:30.21 | radic | goi qwerty12 |
| 16:30.32 | n6pfk | How do I get festival light installed and working with maemo-mapper? |
| 16:30.37 | radic | maemomapper slows the N800 down... |
| 16:30.46 | n6pfk | lite. |
| 16:31.38 | n6pfk | Is there a better free navigation application? |
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| 16:46.08 | binky | Hi everyone |
| 16:46.19 | Stskeeps | 'lo |
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| 16:46.56 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: qgil? |
| 16:47.01 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: i guess |
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| 16:47.10 | Stskeeps | i just posted in the thread about my thoughts for good measure |
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| 16:48.28 | binky | Anyone can help? I have OS2007HE, and I have an ext3 partition on my MMC, but I can't mount it, what can i do? |
| 16:48.40 | Stskeeps | insmod mbcache jbd ext3 from initfs |
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| 16:49.57 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: just saw |
| 16:50.10 | Jaffa | would love to herd y'all, but I'm attending a non-lardman wedding |
| 16:50.47 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 16:50.58 | Stskeeps | at least it seems like summit is well planned |
| 16:52.12 | binky | Stskeeps, what means from "initfs"? I just have basic notions... =/ |
| 16:52.52 | Stskeeps | binky: /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.16*/ |
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| 16:54.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm? |
| 16:55.10 | konttori | lcuk: i'm watching the libqbase now |
| 16:55.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | kfx, k... if ever I remember what I wanted to say :) |
| 16:55.41 | konttori | really cool |
| 16:56.23 | konttori | do you have the new device? |
| 16:56.38 | konttori | i wonder how great it runs on that |
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| 16:57.15 | lcuk | konttori send me one and ill let you know :D |
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| 16:57.39 | konttori | werent you suposed to get one? |
| 16:57.52 | binky | Stskeeps, I'm surely an idiot, but I can't get it to work |
| 16:57.56 | konttori | bad typing. baby on right shoulder |
| 16:57.56 | lopz | hola |
| 16:58.27 | Jaffa | konttori: did you get my email about usbcontrol btw? Dunno if your @gmail.com is still working/checked |
| 16:58.40 | binky | Hola, lopz, eres español? |
| 16:59.37 | lopz | binky, hi, yes, and you? |
| 17:00.02 | lcuk | konttori, :D rate the video (with baby on shoulder lol) |
| 17:00.11 | binky | lopz, too, from El Ejido, AlmerÃa |
| 17:00.20 | lcuk | i told you at the summit i had an idea about search |
| 17:00.43 | lopz | binky, oh yeah, speak spanish? xD |
| 17:01.57 | binky | lopz, I'd speak it, but I don't want to flood the RIC channel in spanish and talking about us |
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| 17:09.53 | lopz | binky, ok |
| 17:10.03 | lopz | binky, /query ? |
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| 17:13.06 | binky | lopz, ok |
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| 17:16.45 | fiferboy | lbt: ping |
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| 17:17.03 | lbt | fiferboy: pong |
| 17:17.09 | lbt | how are you? |
| 17:17.31 | fiferboy | I'm good. You? |
| 17:17.41 | lbt | sun is shining! |
| 17:18.11 | fiferboy | Huh, it's our first overcast day here in about a week. |
| 17:19.05 | fiferboy | lbt: I've been reading through some git docs, and a familiar name keeps coming up as the author... |
| 17:19.12 | lbt | heh |
| 17:19.43 | lbt | more editor |
| 17:20.01 | fiferboy | Have you been involved in it since the start? |
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| 17:20.29 | lbt | I was involved for the very first 6-9 months |
| 17:21.40 | fiferboy | That's a cool project to be part of |
| 17:22.15 | lbt | yeah, it was nice to see it grow; and I like to think that takeup wouldn't have been so good without decent docs ;) |
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| 17:23.10 | fiferboy | I find doc writing to be a very hard thing to be motivated to do |
| 17:23.18 | fiferboy | looks at his 10% complete birdlist help files |
| 17:23.23 | lbt | me too |
| 17:23.32 | lbt | but... |
| 17:23.54 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks, dneary. |
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| 17:27.32 | dneary | GeneralAntilles: Thanks for what? |
| 17:27.43 | minra | actually leaked specs of n900 are awesome if you think of it as a phone |
| 17:28.26 | minra | and ppl i show n810 say its too big for a phone |
| 17:28.32 | dneary | ah - them & us? |
| 17:29.08 | GeneralAntilles | dneary, a dose of rationality. |
| 17:29.26 | minra | and aqwedcxy make a better dpad than n810 dpad |
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| 17:30.04 | fiferboy | lbt: Something is out-of-whack with the finger scroll bars in Fremantle |
| 17:30.24 | fiferboy | Your finger scrolling code works for every widget, but the scroll bars only get themed for some... |
| 17:31.14 | lbt | in Fremantle? |
| 17:31.25 | lbt | on the SDK ? |
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| 17:33.41 | fiferboy | lbt: Yes. It must be where I am applying the theming |
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| 17:33.53 | fiferboy | I haven't found any cases where the finger scrolling itself doesn't work |
| 17:37.04 | lbt | ok, that's good news... |
| 17:46.48 | fiferboy | lbt: What do you know - after removing some self-defeating code (mine) it works as expected |
| 17:46.49 | wazd | fiferboy: heya |
| 17:47.03 | fiferboy | wazd: Hey, how's it going? |
| 17:47.37 | wazd | fiferboy: fine, hardly working on OMweather for Fremantle |
| 17:47.52 | fiferboy | wazd: How's it looking? |
| 17:47.55 | wazd | fiferboy: I see you're doing some Fremantle stuff too? |
| 17:48.24 | fiferboy | wazd: Testing out some changes to Qt in Fremantle |
| 17:48.36 | wazd | fiferboy: something like this: http://lotro.ucoz.ru/omw.html but way cooler :) |
| 17:48.57 | wazd | fiferboy: it's flash, you can click it :) |
| 17:49.54 | fiferboy | wazd: Whoa, that's pretty sweet |
| 17:50.50 | wazd | fiferboy: now thinking bout "settings" improvements |
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| 18:05.49 | lardman | hmm, that Fujitsu thing does look quite tempting |
| 18:06.57 | Jaffa | lardman: Which one? |
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| 18:08.04 | amr | anyone know if you can select which folders you want to 'subscribe' to over imap on the built in mail client? |
| 18:08.12 | lardman | Jaffa: u810 |
| 18:08.14 | lardman | lifebook |
| 18:08.35 | lardman | I actually need an ultraportable windows machine, so am all the more tempted |
| 18:09.35 | lardman | 5.6" screen |
| 18:12.01 | Jaffa | Pricey, IIRC? |
| 18:12.26 | lardman | not so bad nowadays <£500 I think from a quick Google Shopping search |
| 18:13.42 | Jaffa | Hmm, interesting |
| 18:13.46 | minra | not bad for x86 |
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| 18:14.14 | lardman | battery life is supposed to be ~5.5hr for DVD playback (from external drive), which is reasonable |
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| 18:14.57 | lcuk | anyone know where i put a .gitignore file? does it go in ~ or in the folder i want to ignore stuff from, or somewhere in the .git stuff |
| 18:17.07 | derf | I've got one in the repository root. I didn't put it there, but it seems like a good place to me. |
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| 18:20.02 | Jaffa | lcuk: folder you want to ignore stuff IIRC |
| 18:20.40 | lcuk | heh @ the same range of answers the net gave me |
| 18:20.48 | lcuk | derf just in the normal root? |
| 18:21.15 | lcuk | do i have to add that to git itself so when i move the repo it will copy those ignores? |
| 18:21.26 | derf | lcuk: Yes. In the same directory as .git, but not actually in .git. |
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| 18:21.32 | derf | lcuk: I presume that's how I got my copy. |
| 18:21.40 | lcuk | heh ok |
| 18:21.43 | derf | Since, as I said, I'm not the one who made it. |
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| 18:22.05 | lcuk | i wonder if the universe explodes if you ignore the .ignore files |
| 18:22.34 | lcuk | thanks jaffa :$ i was trying to get simple once and for all solution - i keep adding folders |
| 18:22.35 | Stskeeps | i wonder if the universe explodes if we run android on top of mer inside easy mer on maemo |
| 18:22.57 | lcuk | pics or it didnt happen |
| 18:23.10 | Stskeeps | http://mjfrey.blogspot.com/ |
| 18:23.55 | lcuk | taken with an old style camera (on a wooden table), developed at boots, scanned in, pasted into word, faxed across and OCRed at the other end |
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| 18:31.15 | binky | Stskeeps, I finally managed it to work. It was like you said, but I did not understand it lol |
| 18:32.13 | binky | Stskeeps, http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/<your version>/mer-armel-770-image-v<your version>.tar.gz Modifying it with 0.13 instead of your version doesn't work. That file doesn't exist. |
| 18:32.25 | Stskeeps | yes, we have no 770 version for 0.13 |
| 18:32.29 | Stskeeps | grab 0.12 |
| 18:32.52 | binky | Stskeeps, ok. But, it's 770 version abandonned or just no release of this version? |
| 18:33.38 | Stskeeps | no release of 0.13, i posted about it on iTT - it requires someone sitting down and making the kernel package for 770 |
| 18:33.42 | Stskeeps | and that's about it |
| 18:33.44 | Stskeeps | we just didnt have time |
| 18:33.53 | binky | Ook, thank you!. |
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| 18:57.45 | nickar_ | Hi All!!!!, first time here!!, Nickar from Argentina says hello!!! :D |
| 18:58.40 | matzenh | ¬¬ |
| 18:59.13 | lcuk | hello nickar from argentina! |
| 19:01.01 | nickar_ | Icuk, let me say that what you are doing with maemo!!! |
| 19:01.16 | nickar_ | can you sign my n810!! :P |
| 19:01.52 | coldboot | So much enthusiasm. |
| 19:01.59 | nickar_ | :D |
| 19:02.24 | matzenh | hhehe |
| 19:02.31 | matzenh | lol |
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| 19:03.03 | lcuk | :D nickar_ please rate my videos and make comments about them and tell people :) |
| 19:03.17 | lcuk | but thank you!!! i like what im doing too |
| 19:03.18 | LiraNuna | anyone have any documentations about how to set up scratchbox manually? |
| 19:03.19 | nickar_ | that's what i do always!! |
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| 19:03.29 | nickar_ | icuk you do that for living? |
| 19:03.42 | nickar_ | or just for hobby? |
| 19:03.43 | lcuk | if i did it for a living i would be broke :) |
| 19:03.48 | nickar_ | :S |
| 19:03.51 | nickar_ | i understand!!! |
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| 19:04.24 | nickar_ | have you been looking into the android or openmoko phone? |
| 19:04.31 | nickar_ | as a successor of the nit? |
| 19:05.06 | nickar_ | i have a n810, but am not paying attention to it because of work! |
| 19:05.24 | nickar_ | (and because my macbook 13'' that goes with me as my n810 :D) |
| 19:06.15 | nickar_ | a lot of people, very little movement!!! :D |
| 19:06.40 | nickar_ | i would have tought that it would be impossible to talk with so many people connected! |
| 19:07.58 | lcuk | well, you are in a nokia oriented channel - their speciaility is connecting people :) |
| 19:08.12 | nickar_ | jjajaja, yea, you are right! |
| 19:08.23 | Myrtti | oh, it's only 292 nicks |
| 19:08.30 | nickar_ | 'only'? |
| 19:08.51 | lcuk | Myrtti, some folks have never seen irc |
| 19:09.01 | nickar_ | i am not used to this kind of channels |
| 19:09.05 | Myrtti | points finger at #ubuntu, with total of 1604 nicks... ;-) |
| 19:09.16 | nickar_ | i usually participate in #bblug and #gulbac |
| 19:09.20 | Myrtti | feels old |
| 19:09.29 | lcuk | feels Myrtti |
| 19:09.35 | Myrtti | slaps lcuk |
| 19:09.41 | nickar_ | 8 and 9 members, but everybody participates |
| 19:09.56 | lcuk | walks off sobbing |
| 19:10.00 | nickar_ | jajajaj |
| 19:11.21 | lcuk | Myrtti, hows your thumb |
| 19:11.40 | Myrtti | the blister is still there (unsurprisingly) but it doesn't hurt anymore |
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| 19:11.52 | lcuk | good |
| 19:12.01 | Stskeeps | OK, this might get some bad reactions, but: is HIM the only viable thing for Maemo? |
| 19:12.10 | Stskeeps | i mean, isn't it keeping it back if there exists other stuff like SCIM etc? |
| 19:12.22 | nickar_ | HIM? |
| 19:12.26 | Stskeeps | hildon input method |
| 19:12.29 | nickar_ | ah |
| 19:12.30 | lcuk | noodly appendage? |
| 19:12.30 | nickar_ | thanks! |
| 19:12.40 | lcuk | what do you mean Stskeeps |
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| 19:12.46 | lcuk | viable thing |
| 19:12.57 | Stskeeps | as in, - why we use it in maemo? :P |
| 19:13.57 | lcuk | viable things in maemo are quite numerous still at this point sts |
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| 19:15.02 | fiferboy | lbt: Okay. Now it works correctly in Diablo and Fremantle (with appropriate default state), can be globally set true or false with qApp->setProperty, and overridden on a widget-by-widget basis (with widget->setProperty) |
| 19:15.20 | LiraNuna | anyone have any documentations about how to set up scratchbox manually? |
| 19:15.22 | lbt | excellent |
| 19:16.03 | lbt | send me a patch? (or the files) |
| 19:16.18 | fiferboy | lbt: Next I'll check to make sure that the scrolling itself can be globally/widget-by-wdiget overridden. |
| 19:16.43 | fiferboy | lbt: I'll send you the files. BTW, have you made any recent changes? |
| 19:17.03 | lbt | I think the setProperty approach is much better than my api extension |
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| 19:17.22 | lbt | no, I'm in sync with gitorious for those files |
| 19:17.36 | nickar_ | question: what do you use to irc from NIT, XCHAT??? |
| 19:17.46 | lcuk | yes |
| 19:17.54 | fiferboy | It is a little bit hackish the way I check for properties, I think. |
| 19:18.01 | nickar_ | isn't it ugly for that? |
| 19:18.04 | fiferboy | But it works in all the cases I have tried. |
| 19:18.14 | nickar_ | is there any other port? |
| 19:18.44 | lbt | nb fiferboy you seem to be changing the license text too... just FYI |
| 19:19.09 | fiferboy | lbt: Where do I do that? In the source files I sent you? |
| 19:19.13 | lbt | yes |
| 19:19.30 | fiferboy | That's odd. What kind of changes? |
| 19:19.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, the default wireless driver on the N810 is closed source, too? Wasn't aware of that until now... how does this stlc45xx google mentions compare to it |
| 19:20.04 | lbt | well, the gitorious stuff looks like it's preprocessable... so |
| 19:20.06 | lbt | +** Commercial Usage |
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| 19:21.51 | fiferboy | lbt: I don't know how that happens. The line before that is $QT_BEGIN_LICENSE:LGPL$ |
| 19:22.07 | lbt | yes |
| 19:22.32 | fiferboy | I wonder if it is because I have configured Qt differently in my compile. |
| 19:22.43 | lbt | possible... |
| 19:22.53 | fiferboy | What version of Qt are you synched to? |
| 19:23.03 | lbt | I also think : Q_OS_FREMANTLE and Q_OS_MER |
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| 19:23.16 | lbt | 1:1 for now... |
| 19:23.22 | fiferboy | 4.5.1? |
| 19:23.52 | lbt | umm... |
| 19:24.24 | lbt | anyhow... send over the files/patches.... I want to see ;) |
| 19:26.13 | fiferboy | Emailed. |
| 19:26.36 | wazd | solved "The Settings" case :) |
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| 19:27.26 | kkrusty | well done moulder |
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| 19:27.59 | fiferboy | lbt: That "Commercial Usage" line is in the SVN file in garage. |
| 19:28.51 | lbt | odd... ifdef'ed? |
| 19:29.14 | fiferboy | No, just like in the source files I sent you. I wonder why it's not in git |
| 19:30.40 | fiferboy | lbt: Ah, it looks like the git cloned pre-release code that is non-commercial usage licensed |
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| 19:32.58 | wazd | btw, is there any way to make Fremantle show you Portrait oriented window? |
| 19:33.05 | wazd | Fremantle SDK* |
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| 19:33.49 | Stskeeps | possibly, if you adjust resolution |
| 19:34.05 | lcuk | turn your monitor on its side |
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| 19:36.03 | LiraNuna | anyone have any documentations about how to set up scratchbox2 manually? |
| 19:37.59 | rmt_ | LiraNuna, Running Ubuntu/Debina 32bit? |
| 19:38.00 | rmt_ | Debian |
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| 19:38.18 | LiraNuna | rmt_, 64bit |
| 19:38.32 | LiraNuna | rmt_, I built my own cross compiler, it works well |
| 19:39.21 | LiraNuna | http://pastie.org/490449 |
| 19:40.16 | LiraNuna | I guess it fails to run qemu-arm? |
| 19:40.35 | fiferboy | lbt: Do you know what the order or inheritance should be for object properties? |
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| 19:41.03 | fiferboy | I use default -> application -> widget, so if you override the entire application you can still change a single widget later. |
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| 19:42.35 | lbt | not sure atm |
| 19:43.04 | lbt | do you intend to use the original 3 files and then replace one of them with this latest file? |
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| 19:43.11 | lbt | or just the lastet file? |
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| 19:45.52 | fiferboy | Original 3 plus the most recent |
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| 19:46.33 | fiferboy | I was surprised that QObject properties are not inherited from parent widgets. I had to walk up the inheritance chain to see if it was set on any parent widgets. |
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| 20:05.03 | lbt | fiferboy: well the 'parent' relationship in that sense is simply a containership and event chain |
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| 20:05.27 | fiferboy | Ah, so properties aren't meant to be inherited. |
| 20:05.35 | lbt | so it wouldn't really make sense to have properties flow... they're just tags on an instance |
| 20:05.41 | lbt | AFAIUI |
| 20:06.07 | fiferboy | It makes it easier for me to have the user set the property on the QTableView instead of trying to find the scroll area portion of it. |
| 20:06.18 | fiferboy | I can change it though, if we decide against it. |
| 20:06.56 | lbt | well, I'd set it on the thing that has a QAbstractScrollarea in it's C++ inheritance chain |
| 20:07.27 | lbt | so QAbstractItemView, QGraphicsView, QMdiArea, QPlainTextEdit, QScrollArea, and QTextEdit. |
| 20:07.48 | lbt | TableView == GraphicsView? |
| 20:08.06 | fiferboy | TableView is QAbstractItemView, I beleive |
| 20:08.37 | wazd | >http://i003.radikal.ru/0905/48/ca7117bc915f.png | http://i056.radikal.ru/0905/b7/97db2315d591.png , some work in progress |
| 20:08.40 | fiferboy | Okay, that is easy enough to access from the appropriate widget. I'll make that change |
| 20:08.50 | fiferboy | What about the qApp property? Leave that? |
| 20:09.04 | lbt | let me look |
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| 20:14.02 | lbt | looks good |
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| 20:15.47 | fiferboy | lbt: I'll leave the qApp setting and change the widget-by-widget setting to the widget inheriting QAbstractScrollArea |
| 20:16.20 | lbt | yes... |
| 20:16.21 | fiferboy | Are you going to change the way the finger scrolling itself is set (qApp and widget-by-widget)? |
| 20:16.25 | lbt | just looking at that |
| 20:16.31 | LiraNuna | http://pastie.org/490507 |
| 20:16.32 | LiraNuna | :( |
| 20:16.55 | LiraNuna | no one knows how to setup scratchbox manually? |
| 20:16.57 | lbt | do you handle dynamicPropertyChange? |
| 20:17.06 | florian | re |
| 20:17.17 | lbt | LiraNuna: do you mean binfmt_misc? |
| 20:17.39 | fiferboy | lbt: No, but I will add that in |
| 20:18.29 | fiferboy | lbt: Actually, I set FingerScrollBars up as a property of QAbstractArea, so I don't think we need to handle dynamicPropertyChange |
| 20:18.35 | lbt | yes, then I can remove the fingerScrollable() and you can move setFingerScrollBars() to the private ? |
| 20:18.38 | fiferboy | QProperty, rather |
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| 20:19.05 | LiraNuna | lbt, scratchbox2 init (sb2-init) fails because it cannot execute ./a.out |
| 20:19.24 | LiraNuna | it can't do so because it doesn't find above library |
| 20:20.12 | suihkulokki | LiraNuna: you'll need to give qemu-arm a path to the target libraries "-L /path" |
| 20:20.50 | fiferboy | QAbstractScrollAreaPrivate or QAbstractScrollAreaPrivateScroller? |
| 20:20.56 | LiraNuna | http://pastie.org/490519 |
| 20:21.11 | lbt | extend QAbstractScrollAreaPrivate |
| 20:21.22 | lbt | QAbstractScrollAreaPrivateScroller is created+destroyed |
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| 20:21.33 | LiraNuna | suihkulokki, was one of the first things I tried |
| 20:21.35 | suihkulokki | LiraNuna: where is your /lib/ld-linux.so.3: |
| 20:21.43 | fiferboy | Okay, I will take a look at that. |
| 20:21.49 | LiraNuna | suihkulokki, ./lib/ |
| 20:21.52 | fiferboy | I've got to be going now. |
| 20:22.06 | suihkulokki | LiraNuna: then -L ./ |
| 20:22.12 | LiraNuna | oh, |
| 20:22.19 | suihkulokki | or full path to that dir, not sure |
| 20:22.22 | LiraNuna | there we go |
| 20:22.24 | lbt | OK... do you want me to continue? |
| 20:22.28 | LiraNuna | now why does scratchbox fails that |
| 20:22.46 | lbt | if so feel free to send what you've done |
| 20:22.50 | lbt | in any state |
| 20:22.55 | suihkulokki | LiraNuna: are you following which instructions? |
| 20:23.06 | LiraNuna | suihkulokki, none, since I can't find any |
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| 20:23.13 | LiraNuna | I'm trying to setup scratchbox manually |
| 20:23.21 | Stskeeps | sb2, you mean |
| 20:23.25 | LiraNuna | yes, sorry |
| 20:23.35 | fiferboy | lbt: Sure |
| 20:23.35 | Stskeeps | big difference in sanity ;) |
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| 20:24.19 | suihkulokki | LiraNuna: maemo-sdk comes with sb2 |
| 20:24.30 | LiraNuna | suihkulokki, not for 64bit |
| 20:25.21 | LiraNuna | I got my cross compiler working, now I'd like to setup sb2, but I find no documentation about how it's done |
| 20:25.25 | suihkulokki | LiraNuna: SDK+, I meant: http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 20:25.43 | suihkulokki | but lets go the manual route now, I'm interested in it working too :) |
| 20:25.56 | suihkulokki | LiraNuna: what sb2-init command line did you use? |
| 20:26.09 | LiraNuna | sb2-init -c qemu-arm ARM /usr/arm-linux-gnueabi/bin/arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc |
| 20:26.38 | LiraNuna | it fails to configure libtool |
| 20:27.07 | LiraNuna | http://pastie.org/490469 |
| 20:34.34 | LiraNuna | yeah I figured I'll get no answer back; I can compile cross gcc and even canadian cross it, but I can't use sb2 |
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| 20:36.20 | suihkulokki | LiraNuna: it seems to add -specs directly to gcc command |
| 20:37.24 | LiraNuna | well, this is gcc4.4, if sb2 assumes it's gcc3.x, then I suppose that's the problem |
| 20:38.02 | suihkulokki | LiraNuna: I don't think so, newer targets have a gcc4 |
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| 20:39.18 | LiraNuna | I got no clue how scratchbox really works, I wonder if I could get binfmt working for arm using qemu then chroot and cross compile |
| 20:39.52 | suihkulokki | try running "sb2 gcc -v" |
| 20:40.03 | suihkulokki | even thou libtool failed, the target is set up |
| 20:40.26 | LiraNuna | http://pastie.org/490561 |
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| 20:43.19 | suihkulokki | LiraNuna: looks ok, can you sb2 gcc hello.c ? |
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| 20:46.42 | LiraNuna | suihkulokki, works |
| 20:47.07 | LiraNuna | http://pastie.org/490575 |
| 20:47.10 | LiraNuna | however |
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| 20:54.17 | suihkulokki | LiraNuna: try moving the a.out outside the ~/maemo dir |
| 20:55.11 | LiraNuna | liranuna@monster:~/maemo$ qemu-arm -L . ./a.out |
| 20:55.11 | LiraNuna | Hello world //funny, this works |
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| 21:01.28 | suihkulokki | LiraNuna, or, since it's just a shell-script, sh -x sb2 ./a.out |
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| 21:07.54 | LiraNuna | suihkulokki, says it can't find it |
| 21:08.06 | LiraNuna | http://pastie.org/490598 |
| 21:08.08 | LiraNuna | this puzzles me |
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| 21:14.50 | ShadowJK | bleh, this is disappointing |
| 21:14.59 | ShadowJK | my new E75 has some broadcom bluetooth chip :( |
| 21:19.59 | RST38x | is it bad? |
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| 21:24.45 | kkrusty | has anyone used emacs/tramp to edit files on maemo? Do you need bash for that? |
| 21:24.52 | ShadowJK | RST38h, well on a scale from E70 to "not broken", it's somewhere in between, I'd guess ;) |
| 21:26.35 | ShadowJK | My e70 became too broken :-( |
| 21:27.04 | ShadowJK | the keymat in the flip part is misaligned, with one keyrow partially behind the bezel |
| 21:27.22 | ShadowJK | I tried to move it, and that kinda succeeded, but some keys came off |
| 21:27.32 | RST38h | Shadow: oh |
| 21:27.34 | ShadowJK | I attached those with superglue.. not quite the right "feel" in them anymore :) |
| 21:27.38 | RST38h | Mine is fine except for the dpad |
| 21:27.49 | RST38h | the rest is pretty pristine |
| 21:27.59 | ShadowJK | And then the joystick is completely unresponsive and needs like a dozen tries at different angles and forces before it responds |
| 21:28.02 | ShadowJK | :( |
| 21:28.12 | ShadowJK | and nokia STILL hasn't released a new one :( |
| 21:28.13 | RST38h | yea I know that feeling |
| 21:28.19 | ShadowJK | and they aren't selling the old one anymore either :/ |
| 21:28.33 | RST38h | it's not an iphone, so they won't produce it :) |
| 21:28.50 | RST38h | On the other hand, I have tried my wife's 5800 and it is pretty decent |
| 21:29.17 | ShadowJK | a guy at work has 5800, after a few weeks I asked him how he's getting along with the touchscreen and such |
| 21:29.37 | ShadowJK | he said it's nice for the "casual" and "idle" pecking you do, but it can be frustrating when you want to fire off a message in hurry |
| 21:29.45 | ShadowJK | then he'd rather have his old N95 |
| 21:29.47 | ShadowJK | heh |
| 21:29.55 | ShadowJK | so I figured I wanted something with real keys |
| 21:30.06 | RST38h | dunno, it felt fine to me |
| 21:30.14 | RST38h | for an email that is |
| 21:30.39 | RST38h | the problem is that the only usable keyboard is full-screen, so we are not talking about ssh here |
| 21:30.47 | ShadowJK | that too |
| 21:31.02 | ShadowJK | likes the N810 keyboard better than e75 so far |
| 21:31.15 | RST38h | hates n810 keyboard |
| 21:31.18 | ShadowJK | though both of course are miles away from the goodness that e70 keyboard was |
| 21:31.37 | RST38h | bad balance, upper row too close to the upper half |
| 21:32.04 | ShadowJK | balance is perhaps slightly better |
| 21:32.13 | mavhc | balance? |
| 21:32.14 | ShadowJK | but key travel is even smaller than on n810 |
| 21:32.40 | mavhc | stylus is faster than real keyboard I find |
| 21:32.54 | RST38h | yep |
| 21:33.06 | ShadowJK | I definitely type faster with the real keyboard |
| 21:33.08 | RST38h | Shadow: even smaller??? |
| 21:33.10 | RST38h | Hmmm |
| 21:33.14 | ShadowJK | RST38h, yes |
| 21:33.17 | ShadowJK | and even flatter |
| 21:33.20 | RST38h | why have physical keys at all then? |
| 21:33.32 | ShadowJK | atleast there's a tiny click in them |
| 21:33.42 | mavhc | but real keyboard is better for screen real estate, and typing without looking |
| 21:33.46 | ShadowJK | I guess it's cheaper to have physical keys than to have a second touchscreen for the keys :) |
| 21:33.48 | RST38h | oh, 5800 simulates that with the vibro |
| 21:33.59 | ShadowJK | Yeah, I can touch-type n810 now |
| 21:34.12 | mavhc | I did notice the maemo kb doesn't let you roll |
| 21:34.25 | RST38h | <sleep> |
| 21:34.28 | ShadowJK | roll? |
| 21:34.51 | LiraNuna | N810 keyboard is awesome <3 |
| 21:34.56 | mavhc | update the cursor on "mouse" down, but only select a key on mouse up |
| 21:35.19 | mavhc | so you can press, adjust, now you know where you're pressing, then release when correct |
| 21:35.20 | ShadowJK | the onscreen keyboard? |
| 21:35.28 | mavhc | yes |
| 21:36.52 | ShadowJK | If I touch a key and slide right it inserts space for me, heh |
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| 22:08.46 | Macer | ugh |
| 22:09.04 | Macer | need a larger sd to work in my wii |
| 22:09.25 | Macer | must try it now. |
| 22:09.51 | Macer | just so i can get linux to work on it |
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| 22:19.08 | coldboot | Has anyone successfully used gdb with Scratchbox 2? The "scratchbox2 enabled gdb" says to call "sb2-prepare" in gdb before running, which is supposed to break the program before its main() is called. |
| 22:19.41 | coldboot | This simply doesn't work though, it tries to set a breakpoint in "_dl_debug_state" which is always pending and never breaks. |
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| 22:35.29 | Abulafia | yawn |
| 22:35.47 | b-man16 | *cough* |
| 22:36.09 | Abulafia | ahem. |
| 22:36.29 | Abulafia | http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeffblog/3166937730/ |
| 22:36.33 | Abulafia | chuckle |
| 22:38.34 | Abulafia | well, i'll be glad to switch from the n810 |
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| 22:41.36 | Abulafia | oh wow. early stargate ep. theyre trying for "drama." |
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| 22:53.19 | Macer | anybody here use osx with a samba share? |
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| 23:09.14 | jaem_N810 | hey folks |
| 23:10.02 | jaem_N810 | is there an easy way to install the EasyDebian image to the rootfs (I have mine cloned), short of modifying the install scripts? |
| 23:10.27 | jaem_N810 | ...I guess that might not be a big deal though :S |
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| 23:16.27 | jaem_N810 | okay, that was painless :P |
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| 23:24.19 | lardman | night all, catch you next week |
| 23:24.22 | GAN8001 | lol . . . no wonder some people are more up in arms than others |
| 23:24.26 | GAN8001 | 4.3" . . . . |
| 23:27.36 | jaem_N810 | GAN8001: what's this? |
| 23:27.44 | jaem_N810 | more of the same? |
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| 23:33.24 | GAN8001 | jaem_N810, the screen is 4.13" |
| 23:33.31 | GAN8001 | People keep saying 4.3" |
| 23:33.42 | GAN8001 | Which is a much bigger difference to 3.5" |
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| 23:34.10 | GAN8001 | wonders if these people will ever get why I'm so insistent about differentiating between Maemo and maemo.org. |
| 23:34.53 | jaem_N810 | ah, okay. I knew that, but I didn't catch that that was why people were so upset |
| 23:35.08 | jaem_N810 | as for your last comment, enlighten me :P |
| 23:36.48 | GAN8001 | jaem_N810, maemo.org is the community owned and operated website, Maemo is the Nokia owned and operated software platform. |
| 23:37.12 | GAN8001 | People who interchange the two freely get confused when people talk about the community controlling maemo.org and they think it also applies to Maemo. |
| 23:37.21 | jaem_N810 | that's what I thought, but I wanted to clarify |
| 23:37.31 | jaem_N810 | yeah, I can see that being an issue |
| 23:38.27 | mikkov_ | crap,hildon-thumbnailerd (fremantle, scratchbox) started crunging my hd. 82 MB of thumbnails generated so far :) |
| 23:38.29 | GAN8001 | Then they get pissed at me for correcting them. |
| 23:38.37 | jaem_N810 | personally, I think all the noise over the leak is ridiculous. If it's even completely true, I'll wait until I have one in my hands to make a judgement |
| 23:38.40 | GAN8001 | hates Talk at the moment. |
| 23:39.24 | jaem_N810 | which, in Canada, may be a while :( |
| 23:40.52 | ShadowJK | I am guessing christmas or february for real availability now :) |
| 23:41.07 | jaem_N810 | the main thing I'm concerned with is how much the carriers will try to lock it down |
| 23:41.23 | ShadowJK | 'd buy it unlocked |
| 23:41.30 | jaem_N810 | I won't be able to afford it unlocked, or I would |
| 23:41.51 | jaem_N810 | although if Rogers is stupid about it, then I'll wait until I can afford it unocked |
| 23:42.31 | ShadowJK | I bought my e75 on contract.. 130e cheaper, and i paid it in full up front.. 0.70euro per month for 2 years. BUT: |
| 23:42.35 | jaem_N810 | Do you know how many years I've waited to be able to get rid of annoying callers with the "I'm recompiling my kernel" excuse? |
| 23:42.40 | jaem_N810 | XD |
| 23:42.43 | jaem_N810 | just kidding |
| 23:43.23 | ShadowJK | the store said the operator/nokia dont actually have the crippled/locked version ready yet, so they're actually selling unlocked version |
| 23:43.29 | ShadowJK | for locked price |
| 23:43.53 | jaem_N810 | lol |
| 23:44.38 | ShadowJK | so yeah, 130-(24*0.70) discount and unlocked phone :D |
| 23:44.38 | jaem_N810 | I hate to speculate, but given Nokia's other offerings, what general price range do you think we'd be looking at for the RX-51 unlocked? |
| 23:45.19 | jaem_N810 | very general... I'm looking at the maybe/not-a-chance threshold |
| 23:45.27 | ShadowJK | well, I was expecting N97 like pricing until voice was added, now I'm not sure :) |
| 23:46.03 | ShadowJK | though even N97 is hard to know what it costs, it's dropped like 200e even before shipping |
| 23:46.46 | jaem_N810 | how much is it ostensibly at now? |
| 23:46.54 | jaem_N810 | the N97, that is |
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| 23:50.02 | jaem_N810 | gah... I don't have wireless on my desktop, so I can't get Internet on it at my mom's house |
| 23:50.11 | jaem_N810 | (the cable jack is downstairs) |
| 23:50.28 | jaem_N810 | so I borrowed back my spare router, and am trying to configure it as a client |
| 23:50.30 | jaem_N810 | lol |
| 23:51.13 | ShadowJK | nokia finland seems to be taking preorders at 737 (including shipping and 22% tax), but they generally price well above everyone else in order to not aggressively compete with their resellers |
| 23:51.25 | jaem_N810 | true |
| 23:51.31 | jaem_N810 | but 737 what? |
| 23:51.43 | ShadowJK | euro |
| 23:51.46 | jaem_N810 | eek |
| 23:51.53 | GAN8001 | jaem_N810, I'm worried about what carriers will do to the platform |
| 23:52.02 | jaem_N810 | GAN8001: me too |
| 23:52.06 | jaem_N810 | very much |
| 23:52.07 | ShadowJK | 671 cheapest /comparable/ available in .fi :) |
| 23:52.09 | GAN8001 | We've already seen the sort of evil GSM inflicts on the platform hardware-wise |
| 23:52.17 | GAN8001 | jaem_N810, unlocked isn't even a way to escape from it. |
| 23:52.28 | jaem_N810 | what in particular? |
| 23:52.43 | GAN8001 | jaem_N810, the screensize, the hardware keys, the keyboard. |
| 23:52.49 | jaem_N810 | oh, that |
| 23:52.55 | ShadowJK | jaem: it tends to be 1eur=1usd when you compare price in the US actually :P |
| 23:53.15 | jaem_N810 | ShadowJK:, so about 8x that in Canadian? :( |
| 23:53.17 | GAN8001 | But you can't ship voice without it effecting the platform. |
| 23:53.28 | GAN8001 | GSM may ruin Maemo. |
| 23:53.31 | jaem_N810 | why? |
| 23:53.42 | GAN8001 | Well, the Maemo we know today, anyway. |
| 23:53.56 | GAN8001 | is pessimistic about the community, the hardware, and the platform. |
| 23:54.25 | jaem_N810 | I have high hopes for pessimism |
| 23:54.26 | GAN8001 | In that order at the moment. |
| 23:54.30 | jaem_N810 | what does that make me? |
| 23:54.39 | jaem_N810 | hrm |
| 23:54.43 | GAN8001 | An cutter? |
| 23:54.47 | GAN8001 | s/an/a/ |
| 23:54.47 | jaem_N810 | no |
| 23:54.58 | jaem_N810 | I was being ironic |
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| 23:55.48 | jaem_N810 | from my point of view anyway, it seemed like Nokia was getting more open and friendly these days... |
| 23:56.08 | acydlord | seemed |
| 23:56.12 | jaem_N810 | and I have to wonder how that's going to fly with a consumer phone |
| 23:56.18 | GAN8001 | Yeah |
| 23:56.24 | GAN8001 | It could be a cellular revolution |
| 23:56.33 | GAN8001 | But Nokia isn't really the company to orchestrate those. |
| 23:56.35 | jaem_N810 | although if they're even trying, then maybe they have something up their sleeve |
| 23:56.43 | GAN8001 | They've got too many dinosaurs running the company. |
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| 23:56.56 | GAN8001 | sighs. |
| 23:57.00 | GAN8001 | Shit's stressing me out. |
| 23:57.24 | jaem_N810 | whatever the controversy now, I find it hard to believe that would completely alienate essentially the whole of the maemo.org community by crippling them now |
| 23:57.51 | jaem_N810 | mass-market or no, that would be incredibly stupid |
| 23:58.08 | GAN8001 | I'm three steps from the door at this point. |
| 23:59.08 | jaem_N810 | :O |
| 23:59.32 | acydlord | the n810 being advertised everywhere kinda made me facepalm |
| 23:59.42 | jaem_N810 | how low has it gotten now? |
| 23:59.48 | jaem_N810 | I haven't been watching |
