| 00:00.46 | w30 | zakkm, I would like to do the phone stuff on the 810, so if it breaks I will ask Santa for an 810. |
| 00:01.02 | zakkm | phone stuff on the 810? |
| 00:01.13 | zakkm | can have skype on 770 |
| 00:01.23 | zakkm | and call and such, has builtin speaker+mic |
| 00:01.28 | w30 | zakkm, skype etc. video phone |
| 00:02.36 | GAN8001 | zakkm, two days. |
| 00:02.37 | zakkm | w30: if you install 2007HE, you can use skype. |
| 00:03.17 | zakkm | GAN800: w30 said turns off twice a day... i was trying to say should just leave it on, so i exaggerated a little ;p |
| 00:03.25 | GAN8001 | Bobbe, yes. The powersaving is targetted at good idle life, not fast, lightweight boots. |
| 00:03.32 | GAN8001 | zakkm, ah, sorry. |
| 00:03.42 | zakkm | also doesnt the 770 have worse battery? |
| 00:03.49 | GAN8001 | One cycle is 2 days of idle if you're getting about 10 days total. |
| 00:03.59 | zakkm | and 2006/07 worse battery life.. making it more than 2days idle? :P |
| 00:04.01 | w30 | zakkm, to really make it work I will have to update to a bluetooth phone or else stick close to wifi |
| 00:04.10 | GAN8001 | zakkm, BP-5L for 770 and N800, BP-4L for N810 |
| 00:04.13 | GAN8001 | All 1500mAh |
| 00:04.18 | zakkm | ohh |
| 00:04.20 | zakkm | just a guess |
| 00:04.32 | GAN8001 | zakkm, the 770's WiFi powersaving was nowhere near as good. |
| 00:04.43 | zakkm | but yeah w30, you'd be better off battery life wise and time wise to just leave it on than turn off tablet |
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| 00:05.17 | lcuk | i have pink skin under neath the scar tissue :O the two halves have joined (only near the edge for now) :O |
| 00:05.56 | w30 | zakkm, I have an 110 volt inverter for my car lighter so a battery life of a couple of hours for laptop or 770 works for me. |
| 00:06.28 | zakkm | lcuk: what are you talking about? |
| 00:07.08 | lcuk | the skin around where i had my stitches in is peeling revealing nice clean new skin underneath :) |
| 00:07.09 | zakkm | car lighter, ... i think i need to start talking to people my age :) |
| 00:07.33 | w30 | lcuk, My dog got super glued together, so go to a vet! |
| 00:07.34 | zakkm | lcuk: oh thats cool, show your children? :) |
| 00:07.46 | zakkm | did you groose them out? :) |
| 00:07.52 | lcuk | yeah one runs away the other tries to grab it |
| 00:08.21 | zakkm | hehh :) |
| 00:09.11 | lcuk | w30, i wouldv prefered glue |
| 00:09.16 | lcuk | its the end of my finger |
| 00:09.23 | lcuk | and i had stitches whilst could still feel |
| 00:09.33 | zakkm | how do you type :( |
| 00:10.03 | lcuk | differently |
| 00:10.04 | zakkm | learns the first thing he will worry about when his hand gets injured is if he will ever be able to type again ;p |
| 00:10.30 | zakkm | thinks hes not like all the other highschool boys ;p |
| 00:10.33 | lcuk | for the first week it was like fort knox i had a metal spoon cast around it to put the bone back together |
| 00:10.38 | w30 | car lighter: translated 12 volt auxillary power terminal, either keyed or battery sourced |
| 00:10.43 | lcuk | and help keep it from falling out |
| 00:11.14 | zakkm | w30: heh im implying you have a car .. therefore most likely older. i dont know anything about cars |
| 00:12.00 | w30 | zakkm, he's worried about pumping his fist |
| 00:13.24 | zakkm | lcuk: may i ask what you do for a career, highly curious, i always like see you here and such and wonder where you have time for a job |
| 00:13.32 | w30 | heh,heh, |
| 00:13.38 | lcuk | :) |
| 00:13.53 | zakkm | stskeeps too , but hes not here to ask |
| 00:14.01 | lcuk | i have a family, a fulltime dayjob and im creating liqbase :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt7qB37sLLo |
| 00:14.18 | zakkm | yeah what dayjob, if you dont mind sharing |
| 00:14.47 | zakkm | omg i should go and get my n800 back from friend , i want to test out the liqbase! ;p |
| 00:14.52 | lcuk | software development :) |
| 00:14.59 | zakkm | lent it to him like two weeks ago , bit more |
| 00:15.04 | lcuk | in visual basic |
| 00:15.17 | zakkm | oh cool |
| 00:15.27 | zakkm | pays well? |
| 00:16.07 | lcuk | none of your damned business :) |
| 00:16.35 | zakkm | i have a friend who is doing it, his dad is a programming very old very uhh strict by-the-book programming, his dad used to work for redhat too, and my friend he said he plans to make $150+ a hour, but that just seems insanely too high to me |
| 00:16.41 | zakkm | i dont mean exact numbers ;p |
| 00:17.07 | zakkm | i meant like enough, nice job security, not too much stressful |
| 00:17.47 | zakkm | like as a career to go into it |
| 00:18.02 | zakkm | i keep hearing like really high numbers and then really low numbers |
| 00:18.26 | zakkm | my school computer programming has like automatic access to some nice programming university called University of Waterloo |
| 00:27.10 | w30 | zakkm, thanks for the help, I'm going to see if I can get my 770 to ping the network. |
| 00:27.19 | w30 | bye |
| 00:27.30 | zakkm | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.38 | zakkm | w30: bye |
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| 00:35.17 | jaem_N810 | hey folks |
| 00:36.28 | jaem_N810 | a bit OT, but can anyone recommend any good Nokia phones available in Canada? (e.g. Rogers) |
| 00:36.51 | jaem_N810 | I'm hoping to ditch my current carrier this fall |
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| 01:04.30 | GAN8001 | jaem_N810, buy unlocked? |
| 01:04.57 | GAN8001 | jaem_N810, 5800 or E71 |
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| 01:10.36 | Reimor | hi |
| 01:12.34 | b-man16 | hello |
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| 01:18.37 | jaem_N810 | GAN8001: I would buy it unlocked, but y budget is limited |
| 01:19.05 | jaem_N810 | and given that I won't be switching carriers, and likely won't be out of the country, that's not a big deal |
| 01:19.14 | jaem_N810 | thanks, though |
| 01:19.22 | jaem_N810 | I was looking at the E71... |
| 01:20.58 | jaem_N810 | how locked down is the software? I know it's not like Maemo, but what level of control do you have over the OS? |
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| 01:25.47 | ShadowJK | well by default you get to install apps, as long as they're signed by the creator recently |
| 01:26.03 | jaem_N810 | can you self-sign your own? |
| 01:26.11 | ShadowJK | yeah |
| 01:26.17 | jaem_N810 | and does the Qt port work on this model? |
| 01:26.44 | ShadowJK | but if you want to develop for symbian you should probably have your head examined by a professional |
| 01:26.52 | jaem_N810 | lol |
| 01:27.06 | jaem_N810 | I would just like to be able to tinker with it |
| 01:27.24 | jaem_N810 | it may not be fun, but if I *can't*, that's a big limitation |
| 01:27.29 | jaem_N810 | bbiab - dinner |
| 01:27.35 | ShadowJK | you cant modify the os |
| 01:27.57 | ShadowJK | for tinkering... there's python available :P |
| 01:28.26 | ShadowJK | it tries hard to hide symian-isms from you, though you still encounter them |
| 01:30.06 | ShadowJK | dunno about qt, but: http://www.forum.nokia.com/Tools_Docs_and_Code/Tools/Runtimes/Qt_for_S60/ |
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| 01:51.00 | jaem_N810 | ShadowJK: python sounds good, and I presume there's an ssh client available? |
| 01:59.26 | ShadowJK | jaem_N810, there's a port of putty |
| 01:59.48 | ShadowJK | http://s2putty.sourceforge.net/ |
| 02:00.32 | ShadowJK | If you think tinkering/developing on/for maemo is cumbersome, difficult or complex, then you've seen nothing yet :) |
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| 02:05.23 | jaem_N810 | ShadowJK: thanks for the info |
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| 02:18.59 | GAN800 | jaem, the alternative is to buy really cheap and wait out the Maemo phone. |
| 02:19.12 | GAN800 | Or perhaps an open source Symbian model. |
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| 02:24.19 | ShadowJK | There might be opensource symbian, but I doubt we'd see handsets that aren't tivoized |
| 02:29.33 | GAN8001 | Sure, but it's sure to be a step forward from the current arrangement. |
| 02:36.21 | Macer | heh |
| 02:36.57 | Macer | got a usb hdd with wii isos on it that get loaded by an app in homebrew |
| 02:36.58 | Macer | it's awesome |
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| 04:02.07 | xnt14 | btw everyone, im working on this webdeb framework, and I plan to make it nit compatible |
| 04:02.09 | xnt14 | http://code.google.com/p/graphiure/ |
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| 04:03.18 | xnt14 | *webdev |
| 04:03.32 | EdLin | hello, if you had a choice between keeping a dell netbook, an iPod touch, or a N810, which would you pick and why? Not at troll, I'm interested in getting an N810. |
| 04:04.24 | xnt14 | EdLin: well, have a eeepc 701, a ipod touch , and a n810, it all depends on what you want to do |
| 04:04.29 | xnt14 | *I |
| 04:04.29 | Bobbe | depends on what you'll need to do with it |
| 04:04.40 | acydlord | yeah, i have an aspire one, and an n810 |
| 04:05.03 | Bobbe | between an Ipod Touch and an N800, it's a no-brainer, at least for me |
| 04:05.14 | xnt14 | Netbool if you want to browse the web and have a regular pc platforkm |
| 04:05.17 | xnt14 | *platform |
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| 04:05.27 | Bobbe | now if you don't mind have to carry a netbook everywhere, u should get the dell |
| 04:05.33 | Bobbe | *having |
| 04:05.43 | Bobbe | I do, that's why I got an n800 |
| 04:05.55 | EdLin | xnt14: I want mostly to browse, youtube, RSS, music, but also to tether it to a phone when neccesary. |
| 04:06.10 | Bobbe | and of course my n800 was 1/3 of the price of a (good for anything) netbook |
| 04:06.24 | xnt14 | ipod can rss/youtube/music fine, but the ipod can't tether |
| 04:06.24 | Bobbe | EdLin, what do u mean by tethering to a phone? |
| 04:06.45 | xnt14 | n810 can tether but some phone it doesn't tether(blackberry) |
| 04:06.55 | EdLin | I have a sprint palm centro, I hear it can tether to it and provide a better internet experience.... |
| 04:06.57 | xnt14 | Bobbe: getting internet from a phone |
| 04:07.04 | Bobbe | ah, ok |
| 04:07.07 | xnt14 | oh yeah |
| 04:07.11 | Bobbe | does the ipod do that at all? |
| 04:07.16 | EdLin | and the centro has PIM, which it lacks, making it complement. |
| 04:07.20 | Bobbe | i thought it was wifi only |
| 04:07.24 | EdLin | the iPod does not, the dell mini 9 does. |
| 04:07.33 | xnt14 | christefano has a centro , and he said the it works like a charm |
| 04:08.06 | xnt14 | hes away right now |
| 04:08.27 | acydlord | i have my n810, aao, and phone all in an urbantools slotbar bag |
| 04:08.36 | EdLin | aao? |
| 04:08.42 | acydlord | acer aspire one |
| 04:08.42 | xnt14 | aao? |
| 04:08.47 | xnt14 | oh lol xD |
| 04:09.23 | EdLin | I'd love to keep the dell mini 9 and have this too, but I'm not like that palm investor with the utility belt, I only have room for so many gadgets. |
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| 04:09.55 | xnt14 | well, how good are you with linux? |
| 04:10.09 | acydlord | i cant wait till i get my palm pre |
| 04:10.10 | EdLin | I've used Linux since 1991, though currently I use OS X a lot. |
| 04:10.17 | xnt14 | oh ok then |
| 04:10.24 | xnt14 | well, it all depends |
| 04:10.25 | GAN800 | EdLin, wait a few months for the new tablet. |
| 04:10.27 | acydlord | slotbar is pretty close to a utility belt |
| 04:10.46 | GAN800 | ~rx-51 |
| 04:10.47 | infobot | it has been said that rx-51 is http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/ http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9093153240.html |
| 04:11.35 | xnt14 | acydlord: im stuck between iphone 3rd Gen, palm pre, g1/2/3 |
| 04:11.37 | EdLin | GAN800: when's it coming out? Does it need a new cell plan other than sprint? |
| 04:11.54 | GAN800 | EdLin, it's not a cellphone. |
| 04:11.55 | xnt14 | Edlin: its a tablet not a phone |
| 04:12.06 | xnt14 | you don't need a plan |
| 04:12.10 | EdLin | yes, but it mentioned HSPA connectivity. |
| 04:12.12 | GAN800 | EdLin, not been announced, but it should be relatively soon. |
| 04:12.28 | GAN800 | You can put a SIM in there or not. |
| 04:12.49 | GAN800 | it's about equivalent to the Mini 9 with HSPA. |
| 04:12.59 | EdLin | will they break tethering as part of the deal? |
| 04:13.10 | acydlord | it's the pre for me, not a fan of the iphone at all, and not happy with android yet |
| 04:13.16 | GAN800 | By the way, I'd recommend the HP netbook over the Dell. |
| 04:13.24 | GAN800 | EdLin, er, no. |
| 04:13.28 | EdLin | GAN800: too late, I have the dell. |
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| 04:13.45 | GAN800 | EdLin, the system isn't closed enough for them to manage that. |
| 04:13.49 | EdLin | cool |
| 04:13.52 | acydlord | some of the hp netbooks are pure fail |
| 04:14.16 | GAN800 | Besides, Nokia doesn't get your money when you get a plan so they'd have no incentive. |
| 04:14.23 | EdLin | the mini 9 is excellent in terms of hardware hackability, in terms of keyboard though it's a bit of a loss. |
| 04:15.04 | acydlord | the aspire one is quite hackable from the hardware end |
| 04:15.32 | acydlord | solderless touchscreen mod FTW |
| 04:15.43 | EdLin | neat |
| 04:15.45 | GAN800 | Anyway, the next tablet will be closer to netbook performance than iPod/N810 performance. |
| 04:16.06 | EdLin | GAN800: what will the price be like? |
| 04:16.08 | acydlord | that and the itouch is just a toy |
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| 04:17.22 | GAN800 | EdLin, about where the N810 was new. |
| 04:17.53 | EdLin | GAN800: I need it to be sub-$300, because that's about what I'd be selling the mini 9 for at a minimum. |
| 04:18.32 | GAN800 | Then I'd recommend buying the N810 now and then upgrading once the prices drop on the next tablet sometime next year. |
| 04:18.53 | acydlord | my n810 was only $140 shipped =x |
| 04:19.09 | EdLin | from where? |
| 04:19.24 | acydlord | from nokia |
| 04:19.33 | EdLin | that's US dollars?! |
| 04:19.39 | acydlord | yeah |
| 04:19.47 | EdLin | OK, how. :-) |
| 04:19.49 | acydlord | developers discount for the win |
| 04:19.53 | EdLin | ah.... |
| 04:20.06 | EdLin | well, I'm an admin more than a developer. |
| 04:20.45 | EdLin | though I'm semi-fluent in several programming languages. |
| 04:21.16 | EdLin | IOW I know enough to get me into trouble, and not enough to get me out of it. |
| 04:22.55 | GAN800 | They're contributor discounts now |
| 04:23.20 | GAN800 | Also apply to doc writers, bug filers, and general community contributors. |
| 04:23.21 | acydlord | they gave a couple for adding documentation didnt they? |
| 04:23.26 | acydlord | yeah |
| 04:23.50 | EdLin | well, I can't write too many docs for it without ever having seen one. :-) |
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| 04:27.04 | EdLin | OK, it looks like everyone is going to sleep. I guess I'll have a midnight snack and maybe do the same. |
| 04:27.33 | EdLin | thanks for the help, it's a friendly channel. |
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| 04:59.04 | rm_you | if I'm using g_debug() to do debug output, where does that GO? |
| 04:59.20 | rm_you | i used to use it and now i've forgotten >_> |
| 05:00.35 | Stskeeps | mer? .xsession-errors |
| 05:00.42 | rm_you | not mer :/ |
| 05:06.46 | rm_you | like, where does ALL of the debug text from all of the statusbar applets and home applets and stuff GO? what logfile or whatever do i need to be looking at? |
| 05:13.11 | Stskeeps | i think dev null when in maemo. might bee wrong |
| 05:13.28 | LiraNuna | launch your program from osso-term ? |
| 05:14.15 | thux | morning |
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| 05:16.27 | Macer | i swear to god |
| 05:16.34 | Macer | if i can find the asshole that decided to use hfs+ |
| 05:16.39 | Macer | i would shoot him |
| 05:16.51 | Macer | marks another thing he utterly hates about osx |
| 05:16.58 | |R | haha |
| 05:16.58 | johnx_ | Macer: for what? there are linux drivers for it |
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| 05:17.07 | rm_you | LiraNuna: is a statusbar-applet |
| 05:17.10 | Macer | because it forks |
| 05:17.17 | Macer | over network filesystems |
| 05:17.24 | Macer | and makes these ._filename files |
| 05:17.31 | Macer | and for the life of me i can't figure out a way to stop it from doing that |
| 05:17.39 | johnx_ | oh noes. so stop using a mac |
| 05:17.45 | Macer | so if you say copy foo over a samba share |
| 05:17.47 | Macer | it makes foo |
| 05:17.50 | Macer | and ._foo |
| 05:18.17 | Macer | it sends forked data over as a ._ file |
| 05:18.25 | Macer | johnx_: i think you're right |
| 05:18.34 | Macer | i should sell it on ebay and get a netbook or something |
| 05:18.46 | johnx_ | uses a ._macbook |
| 05:18.47 | Macer | i put debian on it... but the damn wifi wouldn't connect adhoc |
| 05:18.52 | johnx_ | well, right now at least |
| 05:18.53 | Macer | haha |
| 05:19.04 | Macer | me too.. got it for $500 |
| 05:19.12 | johnx_ | work gave me one for free |
| 05:19.16 | Macer | which prevented me from getting another laptop |
| 05:19.18 | johnx_ | and a copy of vmware fusion |
| 05:19.26 | Macer | maybe that's what i should do |
| 05:19.30 | Macer | just run fusion full screen the entire time |
| 05:19.35 | johnx_ | meh |
| 05:19.42 | johnx_ | waste of CPU power for most things |
| 05:19.45 | johnx_ | mac os x isn't bad |
| 05:19.52 | johnx_ | you have to choose to not let it annoy you |
| 05:19.56 | Macer | well.. i'm going to hunt down a way to get rid of the ._ files |
| 05:20.07 | Macer | there has to be a way so it doesn't do that |
| 05:20.11 | johnx_ | once I have cash, I'm getting a thinkpad x200 (no matter what RST38h says) |
| 05:20.24 | Macer | do they still make thinkpads? |
| 05:20.24 | Stskeeps | morning |
| 05:20.32 | Macer | i thought lenovo bought ibm out |
| 05:20.40 | johnx_ | Macer: IBM, no, Lenovo, yes |
| 05:20.40 | Macer | or bought their laptop division |
| 05:20.49 | Macer | oh screw that :) |
| 05:20.51 | johnx_ | Stskeeps: morning. :) |
| 05:20.59 | Macer | you should be ashamed :) thinkpads were awesome when ibm made them |
| 05:21.03 | Macer | i don't know about lenovo tho |
| 05:21.13 | johnx_ | Macer: you never even used one ... |
| 05:21.22 | johnx_ | I've had some hands on time, read plenty of reviews |
| 05:21.23 | Macer | i know but still |
| 05:21.27 | johnx_ | they seem like a nice machine |
| 05:21.28 | Macer | toshiba laptops used to be pretty good |
| 05:21.34 | Macer | now they seem like crap |
| 05:21.41 | Macer | all the pc brandnames seem like crap |
| 05:21.56 | Macer | there is one thing i can say about macs.. minus the optical drive .... |
| 05:21.57 | johnx_ | plastic macbooks are much more cheap feeling than a thinkpad |
| 05:22.03 | Macer | they don't seem to be so shitty |
| 05:22.09 | johnx_ | they stain, they crack |
| 05:22.13 | johnx_ | their chargers catch on fire |
| 05:22.19 | Macer | lol?! |
| 05:22.21 | Macer | what? :) |
| 05:22.28 | Macer | i got one of those clear cases that snap onto it |
| 05:22.32 | johnx_ | my work has like 20+ of these things |
| 05:22.38 | johnx_ | I would know :) |
| 05:22.40 | Macer | if i take it off it's like brand new minus the wear on the mouse |
| 05:22.55 | Macer | the case has been brutalized though :) |
| 05:22.57 | johnx_ | anyways, back to hacking :) |
| 05:23.09 | Macer | lol |
| 05:23.11 | Macer | yeah me too |
| 05:23.21 | Macer | i'm hax0ring osx so it isn't as gay without replacing it |
| 05:23.34 | Macer | like the christian camps that try to pray the gay away |
| 05:23.58 | Macer | actually.. i'm copying cover art over to the wii |
| 05:23.59 | Macer | :) |
| 05:24.06 | Macer | i got the usb loader to work and it works awesome like |
| 05:24.12 | Macer | there's also another app i wanted to try out |
| 05:24.24 | Macer | it turns isos into wads and you install games on the external hd as channels in the wii menu |
| 05:24.24 | sisto | hi! |
| 05:24.44 | Macer | i've been running into ntsc/pal issues i suppose |
| 05:24.46 | Macer | :-\ |
| 05:24.49 | sisto | I wanna talk about maemo 5 a bit |
| 05:25.13 | Macer | some get forced and others do not... punch out is pretty entertaining though. couldn't get madworld working tho :-\ |
| 05:25.15 | sisto | I've been reading about it and can't see any new major features to look forward to |
| 05:25.24 | sisto | what are you looking forward to? |
| 05:26.14 | sisto | i was expecting something like java support |
| 05:27.34 | sisto | but any major new feature would do |
| 05:27.41 | sisto | *will |
| 05:29.06 | sisto | I've just read about hsdpa. ok that's big |
| 05:29.54 | sisto | I would love to have opengl on the upcoming tablet |
| 05:30.11 | sisto | hopefully they'll stick it in |
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| 05:31.30 | sisto | it would be nice if instead of being an internet tablet it was more like an all purpose device |
| 05:31.39 | sisto | and have better support for multimedia and games |
| 05:32.45 | sisto | faster video acceleration would cover those two points |
| 05:34.49 | johnx_ | sisto: it will have those things and a 5 mega pixel camera |
| 05:35.22 | GAN800 | ~rx-51 |
| 05:35.23 | infobot | hmm... rx-51 is http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/ http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9093153240.html |
| 05:35.24 | sisto | johnx_: are you kidding me? |
| 05:35.31 | sisto | that's awesome |
| 05:36.28 | johnx_ | yeah, GPS+decent camera+celluar inet connection= lots of cool projects to do |
| 05:37.24 | Macer | johnx_: :) |
| 05:37.26 | Macer | you realize |
| 05:37.32 | Macer | you guys are going to get a hold of one of those things |
| 05:37.35 | Macer | and forget about mer |
| 05:37.37 | Macer | haha |
| 05:37.44 | Stskeeps | neat, http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/05/24/exclusive-everything-there-is-to-know-about-nokias-next-tablet/ |
| 05:38.14 | johnx_ | Macer: still haven't forgotten about my zaurus :) |
| 05:38.30 | johnx_ | Macer: also, who says I'll be running maemo 5 on the rx-51 |
| 05:38.30 | Macer | how does it feel being the last one? :-D |
| 05:38.31 | Macer | haha |
| 05:38.49 | thux | Stskeeps: is it true that .dk is bicycle friendly country where almost everybody use bicycle? |
| 05:38.49 | Macer | johnx_: you don't really know what to expect on maemo 5.. you might be stuck with it for a while |
| 05:38.56 | Stskeeps | thux: quite a lot of people do |
| 05:39.03 | thux | cool |
| 05:39.08 | Macer | go green! |
| 05:39.18 | Stskeeps | (you people want to see the url i just posted) |
| 05:39.26 | Stskeeps | even though there's nothing -that- new |
| 05:39.39 | Macer | ironically enough. all those people riding bikes probably shop at stores for their food |
| 05:39.42 | johnx_ | Macer: we know verywhat's in maemo 5. we've been basing mer on it for a while now :) |
| 05:39.50 | thux | just red about .dk bicycling in newspaper |
| 05:39.54 | Macer | so technically the bikes are also run from fossil fuels even if people are riding them |
| 05:40.17 | Macer | johnx_: until you get a hold of the hardware tho.. ;) |
| 05:40.23 | Macer | you never know what to expect |
| 05:40.46 | Macer | so in a way you're doing it all with one eye open |
| 05:40.52 | johnx_ | Macer: hmm? I am looking forward to new hardware, but mer is pretty cross platform... |
| 05:40.58 | thux | but from here .fi you have to drive through .se to get in .dk and newspaper said that .se isn't bicycle friendly :P |
| 05:41.11 | Macer | that it is.. and i'm sure you have worked hard for that.. but.... |
| 05:41.24 | Macer | how many people run windows 3.11 on an i7 :) |
| 05:41.41 | Macer | although i'm sure you will have a good base to work with |
| 05:42.16 | Macer | kind of like when you have a 2 bedroom apartment... you fill it up with furniture.... |
| 05:42.31 | Macer | then move to a 4 story townhouse and realize you really don't have much since there is so much more space to work with |
| 05:42.53 | johnx_ | Macer: Mer uses the Maemo 5 versions of most software you know... |
| 05:43.01 | johnx_ | only the WM is different |
| 05:43.11 | Stskeeps | i'd run mer on my rx-51 :ÆP |
| 05:43.17 | Stskeeps | hm |
| 05:43.22 | Macer | heh.. i'm just saying |
| 05:43.25 | Stskeeps | how big is the current tablet screen, 4.3"? |
| 05:43.44 | Macer | you will find that after you fill up the n800.. the new tablet is going to open up a lot of space |
| 05:43.49 | johnx_ | 4.3" on the N800 and 4.1" (?) on the N810 I think |
| 05:43.51 | Macer | that will require much more work |
| 05:44.03 | Stskeeps | johnx_: hm, i wonder why 3.5" in the leaked info |
| 05:44.16 | johnx_ | Stskeeps: to pull it down to phone size |
| 05:44.22 | Macer | is it possible to hook up a usb keyboard onto an n800s usb port? |
| 05:44.25 | Stskeeps | some of the specs are a bit awkward |
| 05:44.26 | johnx_ | I already suspected 3.5" based on the LCD part number |
| 05:44.33 | Stskeeps | such as 1320 mAh battery |
| 05:44.45 | Stskeeps | no mention of bluetooth, fm tx/rx etc |
| 05:45.01 | johnx_ | if it doesn't have bluetooth I will be completely confused |
| 05:45.07 | Macer | haha |
| 05:45.16 | johnx_ | and 1320 is only slightly less than we have currently, isn't it? |
| 05:45.22 | Stskeeps | 2000mAh |
| 05:45.24 | Stskeeps | er |
| 05:45.25 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 05:45.28 | Stskeeps | true, it is |
| 05:45.32 | Stskeeps | 1500 mAh or something |
| 05:45.48 | Stskeeps | still, 32gb internal storage sounds neat |
| 05:46.10 | RST38h | So, gentlemen, have you all been salivating at that leaked N900 data? =) |
| 05:46.15 | Macer | how big is base maemo5? |
| 05:46.17 | Stskeeps | RST38h: in progress, but it seems to be lacking |
| 05:46.25 | Stskeeps | Macer: not that big |
| 05:46.26 | johnx_ | RST38h: knew most of it already |
| 05:46.45 | johnx_ | nice to have my guess on screen size confirmed :> |
| 05:47.02 | johnx_ | also nice to see what looks like t-mobile (US) friendly 3G (woo!) |
| 05:47.03 | RST38h | johnx: yes but they have got an image! |
| 05:47.46 | Macer | heh |
| 05:47.47 | Stskeeps | RST38h: eh, i only see a render |
| 05:47.51 | Macer | you sure that is a real image? |
| 05:48.10 | johnx_ | RST38h: it looks like vector art I do while trying to follow a gimp tutorial |
| 05:48.21 | Macer | haha |
| 05:48.23 | Stskeeps | Cellular voice or VOIP both supported |
| 05:48.29 | Stskeeps | hah, knew it |
| 05:48.29 | Macer | woah |
| 05:48.30 | RST38h | johnx: They say they had to render it by hand being afraid of watermarks in the original images |
| 05:48.33 | Macer | now that's awesome |
| 05:48.37 | RST38h | NO DPAD THOUGH |
| 05:48.40 | Macer | Stskeeps: what about tmob support? :) |
| 05:48.50 | Stskeeps | Macer: read the article about that |
| 05:48.58 | RST38h | cries, weeps, starts scaling walls whle tearing his hair out |
| 05:49.02 | johnx_ | makes me feel happy about my pandora order actually |
| 05:49.11 | Macer | # T-Mobile USA: August/September 2009 |
| 05:49.12 | Macer | woah |
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| 05:49.19 | Macer | ok. i'm impressed |
| 05:49.27 | johnx_ | lots of battery, full sized USB, nice big screen, and a ... D-pad |
| 05:50.02 | Macer | hm |
| 05:50.07 | Macer | looking for the price |
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| 05:50.24 | |R | so uhm no GPS ? |
| 05:50.31 | RST38h | 256MB RAM, good |
| 05:50.35 | RST38h | Macer: $700. |
| 05:50.36 | johnx_ | with 256MB of RAM, mer will fly, I kind of bet maemo 5 is gonna be a bit sluggish |
| 05:50.40 | Macer | ouch! |
| 05:50.45 | Macer | 700?! :) |
| 05:51.00 | RST38h | They all start at $700 nowadays :) |
| 05:51.08 | Macer | well that won't last long |
| 05:51.24 | Macer | but looking at the gigabyte atom thing that looks like a clone |
| 05:51.27 | RST38h | July-September, heh |
| 05:51.32 | Macer | of an n900.... :) |
| 05:51.35 | Macer | er.. n800 |
| 05:51.39 | Macer | n810 (damnit) |
| 05:51.49 | Stskeeps | RST38h: back to yghb and so on as dpad ;) |
| 05:51.49 | RST38h | Shit, why no DPAD? =( |
| 05:51.51 | Macer | i suppose they do price things like that |
| 05:52.23 | RST38h | will be smaller than N810 too... |
| 05:52.30 | johnx_ | does the pandora dance, wonders if it might ship the same year as the n900 |
| 05:52.38 | RST38h | johnx: You mentioned something about screen size, is it smaller than N810? |
| 05:52.56 | Stskeeps | i wonder if this phone mentioned is rx-51 or rx-71 |
| 05:53.13 | RST38h | what phone? |
| 05:53.26 | sisto | it's a lot smaller than the n810 |
| 05:53.29 | johnx_ | RST38h: the leak calls the n900 as having a 3.5" screen |
| 05:53.30 | sisto | neat |
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| 05:53.53 | johnx_ | based on sony part numbers turned up on the web, that looks accurate |
| 05:54.01 | |R | i think i'll like the new format better than an n810 |
| 05:54.15 | johnx_ | though I could never find that specific part number mentioned inthe kernel, it certainly seems to fall closely in the lineup |
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| 05:55.24 | RST38h | johnx: What is n810 screen size? |
| 05:55.48 | Stskeeps | RST38h: after trying fremantle stuff on non-dpad machines i can understand why they did away with it and sized the tablet down though |
| 05:55.54 | |R | RST38h: 4.1" |
| 05:55.57 | Stskeeps | as it's fully navigatable without |
| 05:55.58 | sisto | what they say might be a proximity sensor could also be the light sensor |
| 05:56.09 | Stskeeps | sisto: it's most likely the light sensor |
| 05:56.39 | RST38h | Here goes ebook reading.... |
| 05:56.55 | RST38h | Sts: Can't play games without dpad. |
| 05:57.08 | RST38h | Sts: Does not matter how navigatable it is. |
| 05:57.20 | |R | wasd ? |
| 05:57.27 | sisto | yeah we'll miss the d-pad |
| 05:57.28 | inz | hjkl? |
| 05:57.37 | |R | hehe :) |
| 05:58.14 | sisto | or not |
| 05:58.19 | sisto | we'll have to see |
| 05:58.52 | RST38h | Smaller display definitely isn't good. Hopefully, it is some kind of mistake |
| 05:59.46 | johnx_ | RST38h: I'm gonna bet no mistake. |
| 05:59.49 | |R | is it a (what's that iPhone screen tech name again?) screen ? |
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| 06:00.50 | RST38h | johnx: yea, betting on the worst outcome has never failed me too. |
| 06:00.54 | sisto | multitouch? |
| 06:01.16 | |R | transductive or something like that? |
| 06:01.16 | sisto | i'm betting for smaller screen considering the device itself is a lot smaller |
| 06:01.30 | sisto | capacitive? |
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| 06:01.42 | johnx_ | RST38h: well, in the kernel is an LCD name, and on parts sites are similar names that refer to transflective 3.5" displays |
| 06:01.58 | johnx_ | BTW, I was right that Nokia would find a way to make the D-pad worse than the N810 :> |
| 06:03.05 | |R | sisto: probably :) |
| 06:04.17 | sisto | it's very similar to the n97 |
| 06:04.43 | Stskeeps | what are the n97 launch dates again? if they line up, that's frightening :P |
| 06:04.48 | sisto | except the n97's specs are a lot lower |
| 06:05.05 | sisto | I hope Nokia does a good job marketing the n900 |
| 06:05.29 | RST38h | johnx: hehe |
| 06:05.29 | luke-jr | I hope SmartQ puts out a model w/ keyboard so I don't need to consider a N900 |
| 06:06.18 | RST38h | johnx: right now, all things point out that I will end up with a 5800 or its successor as my main device |
| 06:06.30 | |R | Can the N900 really be cell phone data only or is adding voice just a software (ofono) issue? |
| 06:06.53 | johnx_ | RST38h: that would be a bummer to a lot of us that would love the hell out of your emulators on faster hardware |
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| 06:07.24 | RST38h | johnx: well, if Nokia gives me developer discount, I will port all these |
| 06:07.29 | johnx_ | |R: I'm thinking phone capabilities were always a part of it, but Nokia didn't want to tip their hand |
| 06:07.42 | RST38h | johnx: By "main device" I mean something I carry daily |
| 06:08.11 | johnx_ | I also assume that "main device" would see more dev time though ;) |
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| 06:08.13 | |R | johnx_: hopefully :) |
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| 06:08.36 | RST38h | johnx: All my stuff is portable |
| 06:08.46 | sisto | was the accelerometer confirmed? |
| 06:08.58 | RST38h | johnx: Most changes happen to the portable core code |
| 06:08.58 | sisto | i guess it's just a rumor for now |
| 06:09.04 | Stskeeps | sisto: yeah, MCE states that |
| 06:09.10 | Stskeeps | it doesn't work without an accelerometer to tell it |
| 06:09.11 | RST38h | all right, work time. |
| 06:09.48 | RST38h | poor little E70 has got sick dpad but I can still use it for IRC =) |
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| 06:10.21 | |R | I wonder if the device will be able to run I2P |
| 06:11.08 | sisto | Stskeeps: MCE? |
| 06:12.01 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:12.04 | Stskeeps | i gotta run to the bus though |
| 06:12.12 | sisto | thx |
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| 06:15.39 | Timix | I'am new user on maemo garage. we have a little project in there. I would like to know where I can get an address to my project folders for subversion control. |
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| 06:45.17 | rm_you | wow, failing at figuring out how to get GPS location, thought it was supposed to be really easy >_< |
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| 06:52.11 | Jaffa | http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/05/24/exclusive-everything-there-is-to-know-about-nokias-next-tablet/ has some things which make it sound reasonable |
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| 06:56.18 | Jaffa | reads the scrollback a little. |
| 06:56.31 | Jaffa | Hmm, much smaller than an N810 but significantly thicker. |
| 06:57.31 | Jaffa | Heh, "Nokia intends... Jaiku/Twitter app called 'Mauku'" |
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| 07:01.19 | johnx | nice to have independent confirmation, but ... they could have written this whole article from one itt/t.m.o thread |
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| 07:04.48 | Sts|office | "we need this debian package updated, and these rootfs's made" |
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| 07:47.51 | aquatix | hm, 3.5" touchscreen for that n900? |
| 07:48.25 | Corsac | seems si |
| 07:48.27 | Corsac | so |
| 07:49.33 | aquatix | hm |
| 07:50.06 | aquatix | that's 0.7" smaller than the n810 right? |
| 07:50.09 | aquatix | :/ |
| 07:51.00 | johnx | a little smaller than the zaurus clamshells |
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| 07:51.05 | johnx | it's not *that* small |
| 07:51.08 | johnx | hey wazd :) |
| 07:51.17 | wazd | hola everybody! |
| 07:51.20 | wazd | http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/25/nokias-n810-successor-coming-later-this-year-with-3g-and-maemo/ |
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| 07:53.09 | mavhc | if your n800/n810 broke today, what would you do? |
| 07:54.20 | Stskeeps | ask for donations |
| 07:54.20 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 07:54.20 | wazd | mavhc: it won't :) |
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| 07:55.43 | RST38h | wazd: Yea. No dpad. Smaller screen. |
| 07:56.00 | wazd | RST38h: wait what?) |
| 07:56.15 | wazd | RST38h: why smaller screen?( |
| 07:56.32 | wazd | aaaw |
| 07:56.38 | wazd | missed that row( |
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| 07:57.25 | Stskeeps | the specs don't seem complete though |
| 07:58.13 | johnx | some things we can take for granted |
| 07:58.38 | mavhc | I don't see them going with a smaller screen |
| 07:58.40 | johnx | I don't think anyone would release a smartphone without gps and bt at this point |
| 07:58.57 | johnx | mavhc: bet you dollars to donuts it's 3.5" |
| 07:59.56 | mavhc | how much are donuts? |
| 08:00.07 | johnx | like 50c to 75c here |
| 08:00.55 | johnx | and they taste better than money anyways |
| 08:02.03 | mavhc | money can be exchanged for goods and services |
| 08:02.27 | johnx | donuts can do *overly emphatic wink* |
| 08:03.31 | johnx | s/do/too/ |
| 08:03.38 | johnx | fail |
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| 08:11.28 | Macer | lol omg |
| 08:11.35 | Macer | house of the dead overkill's intro made me just bust out laughing |
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| 08:11.42 | Macer | it was like a sam l jackson moment |
| 08:12.23 | Macer | "he'll cut your balls" "i'm gonna cut your motha fuckin balls!" |
| 08:12.33 | Macer | it was like the mexican preview in grindhouse |
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| 08:49.29 | Sho_ | so I assume http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/05/24/exclusive-everything-there-is-to-know-about-nokias-next-tablet/ is already the talk of the town |
| 08:49.49 | Stskeeps | yeah |
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| 08:50.30 | aquatix | yep |
| 08:50.46 | aquatix | but if it's real, and thus a phone, i might just want it :) |
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| 08:50.50 | Stskeeps | nothing new honestly though |
| 08:51.04 | Stskeeps | except for the obvious phone-ness |
| 08:51.31 | RST38h | too phoney, indeed |
| 08:51.52 | Stskeeps | well there's talk of rx-51 and rx-71 so |
| 08:51.56 | Sho_ | Yeah, screen's too small |
| 08:52.03 | Sho_ | 3.5" (vs. 4.1" for the N810) |
| 08:52.17 | Stskeeps | on the other hand |
| 08:52.17 | Sho_ | Same screen res, but physiclaly smaller |
| 08:52.19 | Stskeeps | a maemophone? |
| 08:52.29 | aquatix | screen is too small for a tablet, but if it's a phone, the whole thing becomes more... phoney |
| 08:52.36 | aquatix | Stskeeps: yep :) |
| 08:52.37 | aquatix | likes |
| 08:54.05 | RST38h | Maybe if it is indeed a phone, I can carry it instead of a phone... |
| 08:55.18 | Sho_ | hm well, my primary application for the N810 has actually been reading, so I'm unhappy about the smaller screen |
| 08:55.33 | Stskeeps | Sho_: i still think there'll be multiple models |
| 08:55.57 | johnxx | I'm betting 3.5" will represent the biggest screen though |
| 08:55.58 | rm_you | i need a phone... O_o |
| 08:55.59 | RST38h | Sho: Same here |
| 08:56.15 | RST38h | johnx: Biggest among what? |
| 08:56.42 | johnxx | I bet the rx-51 with a 3.5" screen represents the biggest physical screen size of the maemo 5 lineup |
| 08:56.45 | johnxx | will bump the font size and cope |
| 08:56.50 | RST38h | wonders if this screen will be well protected |
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| 08:57.06 | RST38h | N800 and N810 have exposed screens that are difficult to clean and scary to touch |
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| 08:57.33 | johnxx | and yet, my n800 is just fine after more than two years of banging on it |
| 08:57.56 | RST38h | My N810 protector is all scratched now |
| 08:58.08 | rm_you | gphone has exposed screen and has not had any problems afaict, same with 99% of phones with open screens |
| 08:58.21 | RST38h | BTW, why so many people complain about supposed carrier lockin of N900? Who said anything abut carrier lockin? |
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| 08:58.44 | RST38h | rm_you: 5800 has protected screen, feels way better |
| 08:59.01 | johnxx | well, judging from t-mobile's past I find it hard to believe that the t-mobile branded version will actually have all the features enabled out of the gate |
| 08:59.22 | johnxx | RST38h, is it capacitive? |
| 08:59.27 | RST38h | johnx: nope |
| 08:59.40 | johnxx | huh, just a harder plastic? |
| 08:59.42 | RST38h | just covered with cheap sturdy plastic |
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| 09:00.18 | RST38h | Nokia's cheaper generic line of devices is actually way better built than N-series devices (and E-series too lately) |
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| 09:01.31 | atharva | hi friend s i m tring to run gui appliication in scratchbox .. I tried to start xephyr from command line outside srcatchbox but it is giving error : Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic, removing from list! |
| 09:01.47 | atharva | please help me how to resolve it |
| 09:01.49 | johnxx | that should just be a warning |
| 09:01.51 | johnxx | does it crash? |
| 09:01.55 | RST38h | that's a warning |
| 09:01.55 | atharva | no |
| 09:01.59 | RST38h | then ignore it |
| 09:02.22 | atharva | but when i run gtkhelloworld it says problems with font |
| 09:02.39 | atharva | Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic, removing from list! |
| 09:02.57 | atharva | sorry the error isNo fonts found; this probably means that the fontconfig |
| 09:02.57 | atharva | library is not correctly configured. You may need to |
| 09:02.57 | atharva | edit the fonts.conf configuration file. More information |
| 09:02.58 | atharva | about fontconfig can be found in the fontconfig(3) manual |
| 09:03.22 | atharva | what's the problem? |
| 09:04.25 | Corsac | maybe fontconfig library is not correctly configured? |
| 09:06.12 | atharva | do i hv to configure it inside scratchbox? |
| 09:06.25 | RST38h | atharva: this directory is supposed to contain cyrillic X11 fonts |
| 09:06.40 | RST38h | atharva: Unless you are trying to use cyrillic fonts, you can safely ignore the warning |
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| 09:07.42 | atharva | ok thanks i will try again |
| 09:07.46 | atharva | :) |
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| 09:08.44 | danielwilms | atharva: this warning is a xephyr thing...here are some hints to get rid of it...haven't tested it by myself though |
| 09:08.47 | danielwilms | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:09.12 | ifvoid | hello! |
| 09:09.20 | danielwilms | but it shouldnt be a problem in general as the others said |
| 09:09.28 | ifvoid | how do I find out which Maemo version is running on my N800? |
| 09:09.33 | RST38h | Install cyrillic fonts or remove path from config file |
| 09:09.37 | RST38h | And you will get rid of it |
| 09:10.32 | atharva | ok thanks guys |
| 09:10.44 | johnxx | ifvoid, main menu -> settings -> control panel -> about |
| 09:10.49 | amr | is it normal for the n810s screen to stay on after i've switched it to lock? |
| 09:10.56 | ifvoid | johnxx: yeah, that says "unknown" |
| 09:10.57 | amr | like my 770 used to turn off the screen |
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| 09:11.18 | amr | its like the backlight is still on very very very faintly |
| 09:11.20 | aquatix | amr: it stays on for a little bit, then switches off here |
| 09:11.26 | amr | hmm, mine didn't |
| 09:11.30 | amr | i've just had it away for a few hours |
| 09:11.32 | aquatix | it should :/ |
| 09:11.34 | aquatix | odd |
| 09:11.36 | johnxx | ifvoid, I think that was a bug in an older version, so I can probably say "you don't have the latest version" |
| 09:11.50 | amr | maybe a reboot would help |
| 09:11.54 | johnxx | amr, is it plugged in to power? |
| 09:11.56 | amr | no |
| 09:12.01 | ifvoid | johnxx: isn't there an other way to check (from the command lien for example)? |
| 09:12.01 | amr | its just been charged |
| 09:12.23 | amr | the procedure to put it away for a bit is just simply to slide the lock button, isn't it? |
| 09:12.30 | amr | and put it in that sleeve if you want |
| 09:13.18 | johnxx | ifvoid, apt-cache policy osso-software-version-rx34 |
| 09:13.20 | amr | when i slide the lock, it says touch screen & keys locked, the backlight dims and it looks like its off |
| 09:13.29 | amr | but if i hold it under my desk, you can tell the backlight is still on |
| 09:13.32 | amr | very faintly, but still there |
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| 09:16.10 | ifvoid | johnxx: that package doesn't exist |
| 09:16.32 | amr | hmmms |
| 09:16.37 | amr | most puzzlin |
| 09:16.38 | amr | g |
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| 09:17.19 | johnxx | ifvoid, might explain the <unknown> then |
| 09:17.46 | johnxx | is it just saying "installed: (none)" or is it really saying something like no such package? |
| 09:18.00 | johnxx | errr, oops |
| 09:18.05 | johnxx | n810, right |
| 09:18.27 | johnxx | try this: apt-cache policy osso-software-version-rx44 |
| 09:18.32 | johnxx | (44 instead of 34) |
| 09:18.37 | johnxx | 34 is the n800 ;) |
| 09:19.16 | rm_you | hrm |
| 09:19.26 | rm_you | punching through my firewall from this side could be difficult... |
| 09:19.32 | amr | johnxx, who is that for? |
| 09:19.51 | johnxx | amr, it's for ifvoid |
| 09:19.54 | amr | my bad |
| 09:20.04 | rm_you | need to poke a hole for mysql and can't get any commandline browser to work on my router's conf page (w3m, elinks, links2) |
| 09:20.08 | rm_you | suggestions? |
| 09:20.13 | lcuk | wakes |
| 09:20.23 | amr | hello lcuk, solve my sleeping issue :p |
| 09:20.25 | johnxx | rm_you, no ideas. why are you stuck in the CLI? |
| 09:20.28 | rm_you | currently trying to install X and firefox on my server to use firefox over ssh X forwarding >_> |
| 09:20.38 | johnxx | why not forward an ssh port and tunnel in |
| 09:20.46 | lcuk | you cant sleep amr? |
| 09:21.11 | johnxx | amr, in the display section, try setting dim and turn off to be the same number (ie, both 1 minute) |
| 09:21.13 | rm_you | johnxx: my server does not as of yet have any graphical anything |
| 09:21.25 | johnxx | rm_you, <johnxx> why not forward an ssh port and tunnel in |
| 09:21.44 | amr | lcuk, my tablet cant :P |
| 09:21.47 | rm_you | johnxx: tunnel what in? |
| 09:21.47 | amr | johnxx, ill try that now |
| 09:22.05 | rm_you | johnxx: vnc? still requires X? |
| 09:22.37 | amr | right, lets see if that works |
| 09:22.45 | johnxx | nope, just uses it like a cheap vpn so you can use your desktop browser |
| 09:22.49 | amr | thats probs why my battery is only lasting just a day :p |
| 09:23.01 | amr | and it worked, you bloody star johnxx |
| 09:23.02 | amr | thanks :) |
| 09:23.08 | johnxx | amr, cool beans :) |
| 09:23.23 | johnxx | it still should be timing out after a while though and actually turning off the backlight |
| 09:23.36 | johnxx | might be hard to tell on the n810 since the screen is transflective |
| 09:23.37 | amr | yeah, i set dim to be 10 secs, off to be 30 |
| 09:23.46 | amr | ill try it normally now |
| 09:24.16 | rm_you | eh got midori running over X11 forwarding :) |
| 09:24.27 | amr | yep :) woowoo |
| 09:24.45 | johnxx | yay. everyone's happy |
| 09:24.47 | johnxx | sleeps |
| 09:25.21 | lcuk | amr, take the battery out :) |
| 09:25.50 | atharva | hi friends , I am runnign xephyr outside sracthbox , and then i m trying to execute command "run-standalone.sh ./example_hildonprogram" . Now i m getting this msg "AF Warning: '/etc/osso-af-init/keyboard.defs' not found AF Warning: '/etc/osso-af-init/sdl.defs' not found" plz help |
| 09:26.16 | amr | lcuk, heh :p |
| 09:26.43 | rm_you | johnxx: ok so i think i have a better idea |
| 09:27.13 | johnxx | rm_you, then letting me get some sleep? :P let's hear it |
| 09:27.14 | rm_you | johnxx: curl is easier to use and lighter weight that mysql, i'll just write up some quick PHP pages to do the submit and pull |
| 09:27.24 | rm_you | and use CURL tabletside |
| 09:27.28 | rm_you | easier for everyone |
| 09:27.35 | johnxx | <_< |
| 09:27.44 | Stskeeps | do i dare to ask what you're working on? :P |
| 09:27.46 | rm_you | yes? no? :P |
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| 09:28.14 | atharva | :( |
| 09:28.22 | lcuk | web 2.0 advanced backlight with remote dimming using AJAX :p |
| 09:28.42 | rm_you | :P |
| 09:29.27 | johnxx | Stskeeps, a little app that displays your location on a map as well as the location of other people |
| 09:29.37 | johnxx | emphasis on quick, easy and lightweight |
| 09:29.45 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 09:29.46 | Stskeeps | neat |
| 09:29.51 | RST38h | atharva: Please, stop asking us about all these warnings |
| 09:29.51 | Stskeeps | for cph? ;) |
| 09:29.51 | rm_you | and their status... and also hopefully on-the-fly shared POIs |
| 09:29.54 | rm_you | yes |
| 09:29.59 | RST38h | atharva: Only complain if your app does not work |
| 09:30.03 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 09:30.13 | amr | that sounds cool rm_you |
| 09:30.15 | RST38h | Because yes, Scratchbox is a bitch, and it complains like a bitch, and it is broken |
| 09:30.15 | johnxx | rm_you, though, if you're going to do that you might as well use the jabber xml format for location info |
| 09:30.29 | atharva | it is not working RST38h |
| 09:30.32 | johnxx | is really sleeping now, won't respond anymore |
| 09:30.39 | RST38h | atharva: Then what is the error message? |
| 09:30.39 | rm_you | this still won't require jabber though <_< |
| 09:31.08 | amr | there need to be more pretty apps |
| 09:31.12 | amr | and easy to use :p |
| 09:31.34 | atharva | i dont understand which is error n which is warning |
| 09:31.41 | amr | ive noticed lots of great programming & ideas |
| 09:31.48 | amr | just their interfaces are u-g-l-y |
| 09:32.21 | atharva | is this error or warning ? "/home/atharva/.osso/current-gtk-key-theme:1: Unable to find include file: "keybindings.rc" |
| 09:32.22 | atharva | ? |
| 09:33.27 | rm_you | amr: many programmers are not artists, and take a functional over aesthetic approach to GUI design |
| 09:34.04 | rm_you | also, some are just complete retards when it comes to UI design in general, and can't even achieve a functional UI regardless of aesthetic T_T |
| 09:34.58 | RST38h | Ehehehe |
| 09:35.33 | RST38h | N76 is back with a vengeance |
| 09:35.40 | lcuk | you can also get an evolutionary design coming out of nowhere :P |
| 09:36.02 | RST38h | finds it ironic how Nokia is occupying poor Motorola's niche now |
| 09:36.43 | wazd | everything properly functional is always aeshetic |
| 09:37.07 | wazd | I don't know anything that worked like a charm but looked shitty |
| 09:37.35 | amr | its a shame that so many potentially good things are let down by a god awful UI |
| 09:38.04 | amr | youd have thought with the tablet being an on-the-go type of device that design would be pretty important to everyone |
| 09:38.35 | RST38h | wazd: aluminium crates used to carre milk packs back in .SU |
| 09:38.42 | RST38h | s/carre/carry |
| 09:39.07 | RST38h | wazd: were ugly like shit, worked like a charm |
| 09:39.22 | lcuk | wazd \o hi, have you seen the new video |
| 09:39.45 | wazd | lcuk: heya, nope :) |
| 09:40.04 | wazd | RST38h: well, .su design school is an exception xD |
| 09:40.20 | wazd | RST38h: Some mutation or something :) |
| 09:40.38 | lcuk | oooh you are in for a treat then :D |
| 09:40.42 | lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt7qB37sLLo |
| 09:40.55 | RST38h | wazd: That and anything made by IBM |
| 09:45.26 | amr | bloody HELL its warm! |
| 09:46.47 | wazd | lcuk: looks impressive, awesome tech demo, still no sense for me :( |
| 09:47.03 | amr | anyone fancy teaching me graph theory before my exam tomorrow? |
| 09:47.17 | RST38h | lcuk, it really has to DO something to make sense |
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| 09:50.35 | rm_you | sleeps |
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| 09:52.26 | lcuk | wazd, its much more than a demo, its just being built from the inside out :) there are numerous apps that it can be used for. i was speaking to vlad and he would like to see omweather in there, i can see the user pics being able to send messages its an image/media viewer its like my brain. its got a complete calendar which works just like the one on my wall... and theres about 30 plugins there already |
| 09:53.00 | lcuk | should make a calculator to make rst happy |
| 09:55.19 | wazd | lcuk: why not just use native environment for all these apps?) |
| 09:56.10 | roope | craigslist looks like shit but works like a charm. :) |
| 09:56.25 | amr | lol |
| 09:56.30 | amr | same with ebay |
| 09:56.31 | roope | As did ICQ. and Napster. And all those back in the days. |
| 09:56.35 | wazd | lcuk: what's the point of having two OMW's on one device, one native and one inside liqbase?) |
| 09:56.57 | wazd | roope, well, I don't see any shit in ICQ) |
| 09:57.07 | roope | I think there's a huge number of examples of things that work like a charm but look like shit. :) |
| 09:57.08 | amr | canola is a nice app tho |
| 09:57.12 | RST38h | ICQ depends on what client you are using |
| 09:57.14 | amr | you can tell thought went into the design |
| 09:57.38 | RST38h | Their server infrastructure started like shit but it is now in much better shape |
| 09:58.29 | roope | well, the ICQ UI was a horrorfest back in the days. Like in 2000. |
| 09:58.31 | wazd | I've noticed that canola spends a lot of time to load battery and wlan status |
| 09:58.38 | amr | can the tablets access wpa-enterprise networks? |
| 09:59.02 | amr | wazd, my point was that its pretty :p |
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| 09:59.54 | lcuk | wazd, wouldnt there be 2 versions of omweather anyway one gtk and one clutter |
| 10:00.25 | wazd | lcuk: they are for different devices |
| 10:00.30 | lcuk | or even one flash if we look at your site |
| 10:00.45 | wazd | lcuk: no, no flash OMWeather :D |
| 10:00.46 | lcuk | but the gtk one would work on the new device wouldnt it |
| 10:01.14 | wazd | lcuk: I really don't see any reason to use old versions on the new hardware |
| 10:01.28 | lcuk | heheh :) |
| 10:01.44 | lcuk | so its ok to redesign something if you see the point, but not if others do ;) |
| 10:01.50 | wazd | lcuk: right now we're concentrated on making new version look and feel mindblowing :) |
| 10:02.13 | lcuk | of course, as we all are |
| 10:02.25 | amr | new version of what? |
| 10:02.33 | wazd | amr: OMWeather |
| 10:02.35 | amr | oic |
| 10:02.50 | amr | i use that :) |
| 10:03.32 | rm_you | i like Mer's "it's 34 degrees in helsinki" app. it satisfies all of my weather needs :) |
| 10:05.05 | wazd | Right now I'm working on settings menu concept |
| 10:05.15 | RST38h | 40 foot poster includes over 1,000 versions of 150 different types of Unix. |
| 10:05.32 | wazd | I want it to be usable both portrait and landscape |
| 10:05.58 | rm_you | RST38h: i printed something like that four years ago and unfurled it across the entire length of the classroom for my presentation on UNIX :P |
| 10:06.15 | rm_you | it was very dramatic :) |
| 10:06.44 | RST38h | rm_you: yes but this stuff is better, it weights 10 pounds and is weatherproof =) |
| 10:06.53 | RST38h | You can literalyl wrap buildings in it |
| 10:07.09 | rm_you | lol |
| 10:08.08 | rm_you | god I love opera link sooo much |
| 10:08.27 | rm_you | opera sync, whatever it is exactly |
| 10:08.28 | rm_you | <3 |
| 10:09.55 | thux | do somebody know will turion go to sempron socket? can i replace my sempron with turion? |
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| 10:14.56 | amr | quake is pretty damn cool |
| 10:14.59 | amr | and works surprisingly well |
| 10:15.30 | Stskeeps | morning timeless_mbp |
| 10:15.40 | timeless_mbp | 1:15pm :( |
| 10:15.55 | amr | if it makes you feel better it's only 11:10 in the UK :) |
| 10:17.08 | thux | timeless_mbp: where are you? you got same zone than .fi |
| 10:17.18 | timeless_mbp | HEL |
| 10:17.46 | timeless_mbp | for this time, there aren't many choices |
| 10:17.53 | timeless_mbp | i could be in .il, but that wouldn't be particularly logical |
| 10:18.26 | timeless_mbp | btw, /whois timeless_mbp is your friend |
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| 10:21.52 | Stskeeps | neat, the freerunner can act as a bluetool gps |
| 10:22.31 | Stskeeps | th |
| 10:23.43 | thux | isn't same timezone go north to south so many possibilities where to be in every zone |
| 10:24.50 | timeless_mbp | thux: technically yes, practically, no |
| 10:26.03 | timeless_mbp | if i'm in UTC-12 |
| 10:26.14 | timeless_mbp | how many major locations are actually there? |
| 10:26.43 | timeless_mbp | for EEST, there are very few civilized countries |
| 10:27.12 | amr | hmm, i installed that accounts-haze plugin |
| 10:27.16 | timeless_mbp | i mean, sure, i could be in Egypt (or Israel as I already mentioned), but would you think i was in Sudan? :) |
| 10:27.25 | amr | and added an MSN account but it still said "no accounts" mm |
| 10:27.26 | thux | i also thought that meizi_irkki is only other fi in this channel, but good to hear that more people from hell :) |
| 10:27.27 | amr | hmm* |
| 10:27.41 | timeless_mbp | oh there can be a bunch of us |
| 10:27.46 | timeless_mbp | qgil comes in at times |
| 10:27.46 | suihkulokki | thux: hehe |
| 10:27.57 | timeless_mbp | suihkulokki of course |
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| 10:29.03 | suihkulokki | run /who #maemo and you'll see this channel infested by people in finland |
| 10:29.52 | timeless_mbp | and some people from .nokia.com |
| 10:29.57 | timeless_mbp | which is always more disturbing |
| 10:30.26 | thux | suihkulokki: ok you just use exellent english i thought you are americans |
| 10:30.35 | timeless_mbp | cries |
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| 10:30.52 | timeless_mbp | if their names are funny, they probably aren't Americans |
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| 10:31.08 | timeless_mbp | that said, suihkulokki's English is relatively good |
| 10:31.26 | jumpula | only relatively? :p |
| 10:31.50 | timeless_mbp | jumpula: localized compliment |
| 10:32.12 | jumpula | hehe |
| 10:32.49 | timeless_mbp | 2009-05-24 (Sunday): |
| 10:32.49 | timeless_mbp | suihkulokkia "accident" that makes lots of profit? |
| 10:32.57 | timeless_mbp | kicks irc client |
| 10:33.04 | timeless_mbp | 2009-05-24 (Sunday): <suihkulokki> a "accident" that makes lots of profit? |
| 10:33.41 | timeless_mbp | points for trying to use an article. but only partial credit (failure to use 'an' to match the vowel starting the following word) |
| 10:35.00 | timeless_mbp | jumpula: oddly a quick look shows that the only Finnish trait you have is not talking enough ;-) |
| 10:35.01 | thux | timeless_mbp: but you are native speaker aren't you? |
| 10:35.08 | timeless_mbp | thux: indeed I am |
| 10:35.27 | suihkulokki | bah, my english is still better than timeless_mbps finnish :P |
| 10:35.40 | timeless_mbp | joo |
| 10:35.54 | timeless_mbp | but I'd hope that you could distinguish between a native speaker and a non native speaker |
| 10:36.20 | timeless_mbp | whereas you said "i thought you are americans" |
| 10:36.56 | suihkulokki | it's easier to detect native speakers when listening, many native speakers are terrible writers |
| 10:37.35 | timeless_mbp | fwiw, you should have written "were Americans" (thought is past tense, so were is the proper verb for agreement, and note that in English all proper nouns are capitalized -- yes, I'm making a point of capitalizing them in these sentences.) |
| 10:37.48 | jumpula | how much is enough when it comes to talking? :) |
| 10:38.05 | timeless_mbp | suihkulokki: they are, yes, however the mistakes that Finns make are not the same as the mistakes that native speakers make |
| 10:38.13 | thux | true it is easier unfortunately no sound in irc yet |
| 10:38.55 | timeless_mbp | jumpula: to be confused for someone who isn't a Finn? |
| 10:40.08 | timeless_mbp | jumpula: compare the amount and length of your sentences to suihkulokki's (and yes, I'm aware he's a Finn, but I'm merely comparing wrt quietness ) |
| 10:40.45 | jumpula | now i'm just confused :p |
| 10:41.02 | suihkulokki | that's a common state for you :) |
| 10:41.09 | jumpula | suihkulokki could be mistaken for a native english speaker but i couldn't? |
| 10:41.27 | amr | ok, im trying to install rtcomm |
| 10:41.36 | jumpula | if i understood correctly, that is :) |
| 10:41.41 | amr | it errored saying it can't find telepathy-haze, i've added a few more repositories |
| 10:41.52 | amr | and uninstalled the old installer, which installer do i want to use? |
| 10:41.58 | amr | the one linked on the rtcomm.garage.maemo.org site? |
| 10:42.12 | timeless_mbp | jumpula: you couldn't be confused for an American because you don't talk enough |
| 10:42.43 | timeless_mbp | suihkulokki talks enough, but what he says almost immediately indicates he isn't a native speaker |
| 10:42.59 | thux | since so many from hell, local link http://www.puhelinvertailu.com/uutiset.cfm/2009/05/25/nokian_ensimmainen_maemo_kannykka_vuosi_nettiin_jo_kesalla_myyntiin |
| 10:43.25 | timeless_mbp | gah, stupid web site |
| 10:43.30 | timeless_mbp | it has a British flag |
| 10:43.39 | timeless_mbp | but the flag takes me to http://www.afterdawn.com/ |
| 10:44.05 | jumpula | you'd rather have the link take you to her majesty's home page? |
| 10:44.18 | amr | god save the queen |
| 10:44.24 | timeless_mbp | i'd rather a translation... |
| 10:44.30 | jumpula | :) |
| 10:44.42 | timeless_mbp | http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=n&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.puhelinvertailu.com%2Fuutiset.cfm%2F2009%2F05%2F25%2Fnokian_ensimmainen_maemo_kannykka_vuosi_nettiin_jo_kesalla_myyntiin&sl=fi&tl=en&history_state0= |
| 10:44.44 | timeless_mbp | vaguely works |
| 10:45.15 | timeless_mbp | oh wow, now i know someone is lying |
| 10:46.06 | timeless_mbp | Puhelimen ominaisuudet ovat lähes identtiset N97 :n kanssa, erona ainoastaan tarkempi näyttö ja Maemo-alusta, josta kuvissa esiintyy MobileCrunchin mukaan viides sukupolvi. |
| 10:46.14 | timeless_mbp | could someone contribute a better translation of that? |
| 10:46.28 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: if you see mobilecrunch that article seems 1:1 to that article |
| 10:47.18 | slonopotamus | uh... anyone figured out where's mac address in /dev/mtd1? :) |
| 10:47.19 | jumpula | the phone's features are nearly identical with N97, the differences are larger display and maemo platform from which a 5th generation is displayed in the image |
| 10:47.38 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: i thought luke did? |
| 10:48.00 | jumpula | as there's no picture in the display in the image, the statement is a bit confusing one |
| 10:48.41 | thux | and for sale in summer? |
| 10:48.42 | jumpula | hmm. i think i did a non-native speaker mistake above :p |
| 10:49.05 | jumpula | on the display? |
| 10:49.24 | timeless_mbp | "shown" |
| 10:49.33 | timeless_mbp | and "picture" |
| 10:49.35 | Mikho_ | what's the difference between launching an application from the command line, inside maemo, and DBus launching it with the information contained in the corresponding .service file? |
| 10:49.37 | thux | soon is summertime then we can buy new maemo |
| 10:49.38 | amr | hmms, my msn account adds but doesnt connect now ive installed rtcomm |
| 10:49.44 | jumpula | aye, better that way |
| 10:49.54 | Mikho_ | why does my program work when it's launched by DBus, and never when it's run from the command line? |
| 10:50.03 | jumpula | thux: assuming the source is reliable |
| 10:50.15 | timeless_mbp | > The phone features are almost identical with N97's, the only difference between an accurate display and the Maemo platform from which the images occur MobileCrunchin the fifth generation. |
| 10:50.19 | timeless_mbp | is what google gave me |
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| 10:50.32 | amr | anyone had msn(haze) problems when using rtcomm? |
| 10:50.40 | timeless_mbp | which as you can tell is Garbage Out |
| 10:50.48 | jumpula | accurate in this case mean has a larger resolution |
| 10:50.53 | amr | when pressing the presence icon in the status bar i get "Disconnected, Network error" |
| 10:51.18 | timeless_mbp | jumpula: could you load my translate link and try to improve google's translation of the sentence? |
| 10:51.21 | timeless_mbp | don't fix it too much |
| 10:51.28 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, btw. you said it isn't a block device. what kind of a device it is then? |
| 10:51.32 | amr | and with irc |
| 10:51.33 | amr | :( |
| 10:51.34 | timeless_mbp | just teach it the bit for larger resolution |
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| 10:52.01 | timeless_mbp | runs to hunt food |
| 10:52.10 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: i don't suppose you're around to grab lunch for me in advance? |
| 10:52.41 | jumpula | timeless_mbp: i'd have to rewrite the entire page. the translation is awful. |
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| 10:53.58 | jumpula | and the finnish part is bit poorly written with respect to terms used |
| 10:54.25 | jumpula | exact translation would be "more accurate display" like google suggests |
| 10:54.33 | timeless_mbp | oh |
| 10:54.36 | timeless_mbp | ok, then don't touch it |
| 10:55.46 | timeless_mbp | wow, so this article is even after the Italian article |
| 10:56.11 | timeless_mbp | an italian coworker pointed to it and said that's the last place to get a translation |
| 10:56.22 | timeless_mbp | and then he ran off to enjoy a vacation |
| 10:56.36 | timeless_mbp | runs off to get lunch |
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| 11:00.58 | Mikho_ | does anyone know if DBus does anything else than execute the file specified in the service file, when it autostarts an application? |
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| 11:02.49 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: mtd? :P |
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| 11:23.41 | RST38h | Mikho: It does |
| 11:24.23 | RST38h | Mikho: DBus is supposed to send your program a specific DBus message to which you have to answer. If you do not, DBus will consider your app hung and kill it off in a while |
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| 11:30.40 | Mikho_ | ok |
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| 11:30.59 | Mikho_ | how would it differ from me starting the executable from the command line? |
| 11:32.33 | RST38h | starting stuff from command line does not require DBus |
| 11:32.36 | Mikho_ | the executable does call osso_initialize properly |
| 11:32.43 | RST38h | In fact, you do not need to use .service file |
| 11:33.02 | RST38h | You canstart executables directly from .desktop file |
| 11:33.15 | Mikho_ | also, even if I start it from the command line, I'm able to receive dbus messages ok |
| 11:33.40 | Mikho_ | but still, the program doesn't work properly |
| 11:33.47 | Mikho_ | it won't get shut down or anything |
| 11:34.39 | RST38h | This is too vague description |
| 11:35.06 | Mikho_ | it's because I have no idea what's wrong exactly |
| 11:35.30 | Mikho_ | i'm just trying to find out, by first finding out how starting the program from DBus and from command line differ |
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| 11:36.36 | slonopotamus | wonders, wtf is 'starting the program from DBus' |
| 11:37.44 | timeless_mbp | slonopotamus: technically you can |
| 11:37.56 | timeless_mbp | if you try to use dbus to talk to something which isn't there, dbus has provisions to make it happen |
| 11:38.01 | timeless_mbp | not that it's important |
| 11:38.20 | matzenh | hi, the maemo repository have problem? Temporary failure resolving 'repository.maemo.org' |
| 11:38.40 | timeless_mbp | matzenh: wfm :) |
| 11:38.44 | slonopotamus | timeless_mbp, oh my. is it used in practice? |
| 11:38.49 | timeless_mbp | sadly |
| 11:38.52 | timeless_mbp | (yes) |
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| 11:39.12 | timeless_mbp | it's an interesting feature of the dbus "bus" design |
| 11:39.19 | timeless_mbp | ouch |
| 11:39.29 | timeless_mbp | my w7 is currently Dumping physical memory to disk: 30 |
| 11:39.32 | Mikho_ | somehow the two starting methods differ, and something in the commandline method causes my program to not work properly |
| 11:39.46 | X-Fade | matzenh: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/repository.maemo.org |
| 11:40.51 | slonopotamus | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/downforeveryoneorjustme.com hehe |
| 11:41.31 | timeless_mbp | slonopotamus: awesome |
| 11:41.51 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/garage.maemo.org |
| 11:42.05 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: That one is just slow. |
| 11:42.09 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 11:42.16 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Very very slow. |
| 11:42.20 | timeless_mbp | and uses https |
| 11:42.23 | Stskeeps | wasn't me! ;) |
| 11:42.28 | timeless_mbp | and very very very slow |
| 11:42.35 | timeless_mbp | you sure it isn't down? |
| 11:42.42 | timeless_mbp | it's doing a very good impression of down |
| 11:43.01 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Yes, because I'm logged in via ssh. But it is very slow. |
| 11:43.03 | Stskeeps | it's crawling ;) |
| 11:43.29 | timeless_mbp | is it being DoS'd? |
| 11:43.38 | timeless_mbp | oh wow, i got the page! |
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| 11:43.52 | timeless_mbp | it's not quite dead yet |
| 11:45.06 | timeless_mbp | someone should tell Pauli Kauppinen that "New release available" is a bad news headline |
| 11:45.13 | timeless_mbp | New release available |
| 11:45.13 | timeless_mbp | Pauli Kauppinen - 2009-05-14 11:21 |
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| 11:45.18 | timeless_mbp | --- new release of *what*? :( |
| 11:45.30 | timeless_mbp | (and yes, i could _eventually_ figure it out, but it took too long) |
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| 13:13.21 | RST38h | EXTZV! CMPZV! INSV! |
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| 13:15.45 | Paavo | garage seems a bit slow today |
| 13:16.40 | Stskeeps | RST38h: gone mad? :P |
| 13:16.50 | zap | there is a burst of rumours about N900 on russian websites. Is this related to something real, or it's just rumours? |
| 13:17.11 | Stskeeps | zap: http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/05/24/exclusive-everything-there-is-to-know-about-nokias-next-tablet/ |
| 13:17.53 | zap | omg, is this a real photo or just a 3D design? |
| 13:18.08 | jaska | if thats a photo i am jebus |
| 13:18.13 | Stskeeps | 3d rendering |
| 13:18.13 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:18.14 | aquatix | that's a 3D design they did themselves |
| 13:18.22 | Stskeeps | based on alleged photos |
| 13:18.24 | aquatix | as they couldn't publish the images from the documents |
| 13:18.25 | zap | the keyboard is awful |
| 13:18.33 | aquatix | misses the dpad |
| 13:19.04 | Stskeeps | recall that that is probably a rx34 |
| 13:19.04 | jaska | o.O no d-pad? |
| 13:19.06 | zap | I wonder how one is supposed to play games on it |
| 13:19.17 | Stskeeps | err |
| 13:19.18 | Stskeeps | rx71 |
| 13:19.21 | zap | buy a wiimote : |
| 13:19.28 | jaska | wasd?:P |
| 13:22.30 | RST38h | Sts: Just invoking the spirit of VAX |
| 13:22.44 | RST38h | zap: They could not post photos |
| 13:22.51 | RST38h | zap: Saying that photos may be watermarked |
| 13:23.15 | RST38h | zap: 3.5" screen instead of 4.3" |
| 13:23.28 | RST38h | zap: So book reading is also kinda problematic |
| 13:23.34 | zap | yes, downsize is questionable solution |
| 13:23.52 | zap | on other hand, I'll be able to throw out my phone at last, and use just one device instead of two |
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| 13:24.15 | aquatix | has read books on 2.8" :) |
| 13:24.22 | RST38h | zap: IF it is a full phone |
| 13:24.24 | aquatix | zap: yep |
| 13:24.33 | RST38h | read books on E70 but it does not mean a thing |
| 13:24.39 | zap | and much less problems with finding screen film for it |
| 13:24.43 | RST38h | heh |
| 13:25.00 | RST38h | zap: I secretly hope they covered the screen 5800-style |
| 13:25.11 | aquatix | i love reading books on my n810 though |
| 13:25.17 | zap | look at N95/96, they aren't |
| 13:25.40 | zap | to read books you can buy a plastic Frenel lens :) |
| 13:25.44 | aquatix | RST38h: wel, they say it looks a lot like the n97, which - i think - uses the same protection as the 5800 |
| 13:26.25 | RST38h | aquatix: Not guaranteed given that N97 is N-series |
| 13:26.28 | aquatix | zap: i read at my sony ericsson m600i; not much text at once on the screen, but it has a jogdial, which is awesome for scrolling/reading |
| 13:26.33 | aquatix | RST38h: hm |
| 13:26.51 | RST38h | aquatix: 5800 looks kinda cheap in comparison but once you start using it, it feels way better than fragile N-stuff |
| 13:27.26 | RST38h | Hehe, FBReader guys will finally have to implement autoscrolling :))) |
| 13:27.35 | RST38h | Tie it up to the tilt sensor or something |
| 13:28.39 | aquatix | heh |
| 13:28.47 | aquatix | doesn't really like autoscrolling |
| 13:28.48 | zap | secretly hopes that N900 will have more controls accessible without sliding out the keyboard |
| 13:28.50 | aquatix | but that's personal |
| 13:28.55 | aquatix | zap: yeah |
| 13:29.01 | aquatix | zap: at least some dpad-like thing |
| 13:29.17 | zap | judging by 3d model, there isn't any :( |
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| 13:29.29 | aquatix | that'd suck majorly |
| 13:29.40 | aquatix | but the n97 has some dpad-like thing in a corner |
| 13:30.01 | wazd | news bout 3.5" screen suck |
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| 13:30.39 | Stskeeps | wazd: well if you are doing clever marketing, you release a phone first, then the tablet version |
| 13:31.05 | Stskeeps | (we do have rx-51 and rx-71) |
| 13:31.16 | Stskeeps | the phone they talk about sounds like a rx-71 |
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| 13:43.11 | wazd | Stskeeps: I still don't think that it would be a phone |
| 13:43.48 | wazd | Cause why Intel and Nokia would develop linux phone stack if Nokia already have one?) |
| 13:45.55 | doc|work | wazd: nokia owns maemo, qte and symbian |
| 13:46.17 | wazd | doc|work: thanks Cap :D |
| 13:46.33 | doc|work | wazd: sorry, just saying, redundancy doesn't seem to bother them too much |
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| 13:47.51 | wazd | doc|work: well, I think they have just enough stuff to support all of their various hardware |
| 13:48.24 | wazd | doc|work: Nokia doesnt own Bentley, Manchester United and McDonalds :) |
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| 13:49.06 | doc|work | I think you might have missed my point :) |
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| 13:54.56 | mavhc | I'd assume they'd make s60 their entry level phones, and maemo their new smartphone |
| 13:55.26 | inz | I hope they killall S60 and linux everything ;) |
| 13:55.58 | inz | (I'm sure there are full pleothra of 3rd parties that would die because of that, but nevermind them. |
| 13:56.01 | inz | +) |
| 13:56.29 | mavhc | you just transition, old entry level phones die, smartphones become entry level, new smartphones appear |
| 13:56.34 | fiferboy | lbt: ping |
| 13:56.38 | fiferboy | Hey wazd |
| 13:57.51 | aquatix | mavhc: no, not new smartphones, multimedia/pocket computers ;) |
| 13:58.00 | inz | mavhc, but I want S60 dead. now. ;) |
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| 13:58.14 | aquatix | symbian^2 then? |
| 13:58.15 | mavhc | why? |
| 13:59.10 | inz | mavhc, because any Symbian code makes my want to cleanse my eyes... ...with sandpaper |
| 13:59.18 | inz | mavhc, and I don't want to |
| 14:00.56 | mavhc | ignore it? |
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| 14:08.41 | inz | mavhc, I've coded in symbian "C++" once, it will haunt me for the rest of my life... ;) |
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| 14:11.26 | lbt | fiferboy: pong |
| 14:11.39 | fiferboy | lbt: How's it going? |
| 14:11.55 | lbt | not bad... checked in the branch to gitorious |
| 14:12.05 | lbt | and building locally under qemu |
| 14:12.54 | fiferboy | I am going to text using Fremantl SDK to see if it looks okay, but I have to start a Qt rebuild |
| 14:13.14 | fiferboy | That might take a while. If there are any changes I will send them to you or check them into git. |
| 14:18.23 | luke-jr | fiferboy: how do you get Qt to build? |
| 14:19.16 | fiferboy | luke-jr: Check out the source, mv either "debian.diablo" or "debian.fremantle" to "debian" then "dpkg -rfakeroot -nc -b" and wait six days |
| 14:19.45 | Stskeeps | 4 works too |
| 14:19.46 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:20.25 | luke-jr | fiferboy: don't want to use Debian/Mer, just want to build Qt w/o running out of RAM :p |
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| 14:20.57 | fiferboy | I'm building in scratchbox using a virtualbox session on an extremely underpowered laptop |
| 14:21.31 | luke-jr | o |
| 14:21.35 | luke-jr | cross-compiling |
| 14:21.36 | fiferboy | I have never waited long enough for it to complete (if it does complete with this setup), but I just need one .so file less than halfway through the build |
| 14:21.37 | luke-jr | <.< |
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| 14:26.26 | lbt | luke-jr: that's how I do it for Diablo too... you can add -j<n> too if you have multiple cores |
| 14:26.40 | luke-jr | afaik, the N810 has only one core |
| 14:27.00 | lbt | you want to build Qt on the tablet |
| 14:27.15 | luke-jr | yep |
| 14:27.18 | lbt | sure |
| 14:27.26 | lbt | make sure you have some swap |
| 14:27.39 | luke-jr | lbt: 1 GB, but watchdog won't let it swap that much |
| 14:27.58 | luke-jr | tbh, I have cross-distcc setup, so compiling isn't too big a problem |
| 14:27.59 | lbt | let us know how it goes ;) |
| 14:28.03 | luke-jr | it's linking that runs out of RAM |
| 14:28.17 | lbt | yep... |
| 14:29.10 | lopz | hola |
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| 14:30.23 | fiferboy | luke-jr: linking seems to run out of memory in my setup, too. Swaps like crazy but never gets anywhere |
| 14:30.57 | luke-jr | fiferboy: really? hmm |
| 14:31.12 | luke-jr | fiferboy: is your linker a cross-linker, or native-built? |
| 14:31.22 | luke-jr | maybe it's an ARM bug? |
| 14:31.31 | luke-jr | GCC ARM* |
| 14:31.34 | fiferboy | luke-jr: I can only assign about 500 MB to my virtualbox session, that is likely why |
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| 14:32.43 | luke-jr | oh crap |
| 14:32.56 | luke-jr | apparently ld requires 1.3 GB of memory for qt webkit |
| 14:33.30 | lbt | should be fine on an N810... just what they're designed for ;) |
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| 14:34.35 | fiferboy | luke-jr: :O That would do it! |
| 14:34.59 | luke-jr | fiferboy: some bug report mentioned it loading *.o before even starting |
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| 14:41.40 | RST38h | luuuurves coding for Symbian in C++! |
| 14:42.05 | RST38h | It is suuuuch a pretty minefield, and it blows up at different spots on each phone too! Variety! |
| 14:43.25 | RST38h | Besides, once you get this experience, you have basically made yourself employable for foreseeable future =) |
| 14:43.29 | nomis | Oh, I'd guess that you don't even need Symbian for this :) |
| 14:43.42 | nomis | (for the minefield) |
| 14:43.51 | RST38h | nomis: *I* don't, but your mileage may vary =) |
| 14:44.03 | Stskeeps | RST38h: so the appeal of maemo is that it is actually saner than symbian? :P |
| 14:45.05 | RST38h | Sts: Yea, Unix-derived platforms are way saner |
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| 14:46.57 | k-s | eh |
| 14:46.59 | nomis | ...unless you look at the socket API... :) |
| 14:47.08 | RST38h | nomis: It's ok |
| 14:47.17 | RST38h | nomis: The biggest PITA is audio |
| 14:47.46 | nomis | RST38h: well, the problem with sockets is, that you suddenly have no documentation if you want to use e.g. netlink. |
| 14:47.55 | RST38h | Anyone who even expresses a desire to design a new audio framework for Linux has to be immediately hospitalized and given daily aminazin shots |
| 14:47.56 | nomis | for networking it is kind of OK. |
| 14:48.16 | RST38h | nomis: Plenty of examples around |
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| 14:48.57 | nomis | RST38h: I know, still having a hard time to figure out all the things you can do with it. |
| 14:49.02 | fiferboy | Yay Fire Drills. |
| 14:49.17 | Stskeeps | famous last wors |
| 14:49.19 | Stskeeps | +d |
| 14:50.07 | fiferboy | Stskeeps: Nah, it's done already |
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| 14:51.33 | Jaffa | "BeagleBoard and maemo" thread on -developers makes interesting reading. |
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| 14:52.26 | xnt14 | c/join #liqbase |
| 14:52.30 | xnt14 | oh opps xD |
| 14:52.42 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: yeah, it'll definately make the weekend interesting |
| 14:54.13 | GAN800 | Smaller battery and smaller screen . . . urgh |
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| 14:54.32 | Stskeeps | morning GAN800, welcome to hell! :) |
| 14:54.40 | Stskeeps | also, i think that's a rx-71. |
| 14:55.21 | xnt14 | rofl |
| 14:55.33 | zakkm | Stskeeps: new n900 news is out? |
| 14:55.43 | Stskeeps | zakkm: yeah, some leak |
| 14:55.48 | xnt14 | checks maemo.org |
| 14:55.48 | zakkm | :o |
| 14:55.50 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, I agree. |
| 14:55.58 | zakkm | Stskeeps: link please |
| 14:56.03 | Meizirkki | garage.maemo.org down..? |
| 14:56.10 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: just very slow |
| 14:56.17 | Meizirkki | k |
| 14:56.24 | Stskeeps | zakkm: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=29151 has a lot of discussion |
| 14:56.52 | zakkm | wow |
| 14:56.57 | zakkm | july? thats earlier |
| 14:57.17 | xnt14 | ahhh, that sorta looks like a kirf knockoff |
| 14:57.22 | zakkm | Browser: Firefox 3 with support for Flash 9.4 |
| 14:57.26 | zakkm | no flash 10? :P |
| 14:57.28 | Stskeeps | xnt14: ignore the rendering |
| 14:57.35 | xnt14 | oh ok :P |
| 14:57.58 | zakkm | 32GB internal storage, expandable up to 48GB via external memory |
| 14:58.02 | zakkm | that must cost alot ;p |
| 14:58.03 | xnt14 | same cpu as palm pre? webos port? |
| 14:58.21 | xnt14 | hopes for a better gps |
| 14:58.23 | zakkm | its the omap3520 isnt it? |
| 14:58.28 | zakkm | the n900 |
| 14:58.30 | xnt14 | yay, 5mp camera |
| 14:58.47 | xnt14 | 32gb storage |
| 14:58.58 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: RX-71 had more keys, according to the kernel |
| 14:59.20 | xnt14 | well, now theres one more device I HAVE to buy :P |
| 14:59.40 | Jaffa | GAN800: Yeah, smaller device and smaller screen not good. Will feel very thick next to N810. Keyboard looks a bit naff. |
| 14:59.46 | xnt14 | well, yay, t-mobile! |
| 14:59.53 | Jaffa | Oh well. TV time. tmo can wait for later. |
| 14:59.53 | xnt14 | but... |
| 15:00.17 | zakkm | it seems really bad, im sure that "leak" is fake :) |
| 15:00.31 | xnt14 | will get a tmo plan after he gets an iphone... |
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| 15:01.03 | xnt14 | wonders why everyone is worrying over the small screen :P |
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| 15:02.38 | zakkm | maemo is small enough in 4.3" |
| 15:02.54 | zakkm | so now they are doing 3.5" in 800x480? :P |
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| 15:04.42 | GAN800 | OMAP3430 |
| 15:04.52 | GAN800 | 4.1" |
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| 15:05.14 | Meizirkki | it's gonna be 4.1"? |
| 15:05.39 | xnt14 | it hits engadget: http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/25/nokias-n810-successor-coming-later-this-year-with-3g-and-maemo/ |
| 15:05.55 | xnt14 | doesn't mind |
| 15:07.42 | mgedmin | tried browsing the web on his N810 today, and remembered why he never does that |
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| 15:08.06 | zakkm | it sucks, browsing on tablet |
| 15:08.26 | xnt14 | well, it all depends on the site... |
| 15:08.41 | zakkm | mplayer/ pidgin is really nice in maemo |
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| 15:08.49 | xnt14 | although 95% of all sites are crap in microb |
| 15:08.54 | zakkm | i had no pc at night yesterday, so i used my tablet |
| 15:08.59 | zakkm | heh dont you use Tear? |
| 15:09.30 | RST38h | browses web on an E70, so N810 does not feel that bad |
| 15:09.57 | zakkm | e70 has wifi? |
| 15:10.18 | RST38h | Has wifi, egprs, and 3g |
| 15:10.24 | xnt14 | 0.0 |
| 15:10.27 | xnt14 | :P |
| 15:10.43 | RST38h | http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone |
| 15:11.25 | zakkm | why would you diss the iphone |
| 15:11.27 | zakkm | its a great project |
| 15:11.52 | zakkm | product* |
| 15:12.07 | xnt14 | although apple screwed up on the sdk, and the appstore |
| 15:12.17 | xnt14 | other than that its great |
| 15:12.28 | RST38h | zakkm: fallomorphing as many Apple nuts as possible is a kind of a sport |
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| 15:13.03 | RST38h | zakkm: As in "how many can you enrage with one post" |
| 15:13.30 | xnt14 | and a haptic touch plugin is on cydia |
| 15:13.38 | zakkm | heh im planning on making ipod apps ;p |
| 15:14.23 | xnt14 | yeah, but objective-c = impossible syntax |
| 15:14.54 | RST38h | ObjC isn't that bad |
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| 15:16.21 | zakkm | good money potential ;p |
| 15:16.31 | zakkm | i learned im recently broke |
| 15:17.01 | xnt14 | sadly apple also screwed up with the sdk, mac only |
| 15:17.16 | zakkm | i only use Mac OSX :P |
| 15:17.17 | xnt14 | brb |
| 15:17.22 | zakkm | they didnt screw it up? |
| 15:17.31 | zakkm | its part of Xcode |
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| 15:19.29 | xnt14 | xD, I still need to buy a mac, and i don't have a hackint0xsh compatible computer :( |
| 15:19.46 | EdLin | xnt14: get a mac mini, it's fairly affordable. :-) |
| 15:20.03 | zakkm | heh |
| 15:20.09 | zakkm | hackintosh compatible isnt hard ;p |
| 15:20.20 | EdLin | unless it's an AMD system |
| 15:20.22 | zakkm | id sell you my dg31pr motherboard for $40 usd? |
| 15:20.32 | zakkm | 100% support |
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| 15:21.16 | zakkm | if you have a system and try, sometimes it is trial and error, but if your looking to buy, its not hard at all |
| 15:21.22 | EdLin | I'd sell you my dell mini 9 for $300, it's also hackintoshable, though I'd get a larger SSD if I wanted to run xcode on it. :-) |
| 15:21.37 | zakkm | wish i had $300 :P |
| 15:21.40 | xnt14 | :) |
| 15:21.41 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, ping? |
| 15:21.51 | EdLin | zakkm: so do I, hence the offer. |
| 15:22.07 | zakkm | id sell you my overclocked 50% to 3.0ghz... hugee ass heatsink , full mac osx support, on it now .. for your dell mini :P |
| 15:22.09 | xnt14 | I wish my parents would let me buy stuff from people from irc X( |
| 15:22.19 | zakkm | heh |
| 15:22.29 | xnt14 | they are like, only buy from a trusted source |
| 15:22.34 | EdLin | zakkm: not interested in another desktop. |
| 15:22.54 | zakkm | xnt14: people would most likely put on ebay, and then link you and you click "buy now" |
| 15:23.00 | zakkm | so it goes through ebay safely |
| 15:23.09 | xnt14 | although I asked my dad if I can build my own desktop, and he said yes... |
| 15:23.18 | zakkm | makes sure your the only one that clicks it, by messing with keywords and such |
| 15:23.34 | zakkm | EdLin: what is your motherboard? |
| 15:23.38 | xnt14 | so, now im in the market to get parts for a destop |
| 15:23.41 | timeless_mbp_ | hey, how do i find out if i have a wiki.maemo.org account? :) |
| 15:23.58 | EdLin | zakkm: I have a mac mini and a dell mini 9, I have no idea what my motherboard is. ;-) |
| 15:24.12 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, Garage. |
| 15:24.14 | zakkm | dell mini 9 has mac support? |
| 15:24.15 | xnt14 | :P |
| 15:24.23 | EdLin | zakkm: unofficial of course. |
| 15:24.28 | zakkm | ohh |
| 15:24.34 | zakkm | xnt14: whats yours? hehh been reading wrong |
| 15:24.45 | zakkm | officially.. |
| 15:24.48 | GeneralAntilles | Oops, Rover leak on the lists. . . . |
| 15:24.54 | xnt14 | my main desktop is a dell xps 600, nvidia/dell mb |
| 15:25.08 | zakkm | xnt14: i was looking for exact motherboard model |
| 15:25.14 | EdLin | zakkm: the dell mini 9 is the most hackintoshable netbook... Mine is right now running Windows 7 RC for the heck of it though, I'm probably going to hackintosh it again - especially if I want to sell it. |
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| 15:25.33 | xnt14 | my server is a dell precision 360, which runs tiger perfectly |
| 15:25.39 | xnt14 | but |
| 15:25.46 | xnt14 | tiger = no iphone sdk |
| 15:25.49 | zakkm | lol the only thing that makes it the most hackintosh is that it has a nice wifi card |
| 15:25.58 | zakkm | so run leopard on it? :P |
| 15:25.58 | xnt14 | lol |
| 15:26.04 | xnt14 | I tried |
| 15:26.11 | zakkm | try harder ;p |
| 15:26.12 | xnt14 | it didn't work |
| 15:26.33 | EdLin | zakkm: everything's supported, not just the wifi. Only thing that doesn't work now reportedly is MMC support for the SD card slot, which otherwise is supported. |
| 15:26.36 | xnt14 | and I tried 5 different distros on my xps, but none of them would boot |
| 15:27.06 | zakkm | EdLin: i meant, in all netbooks its just the wifi thats missing unless you swap it... thats the only think that makes the dell mini 9 the best |
| 15:27.11 | xnt14 | iatkos would boot the installer, but after install it would jusk kernel panic |
| 15:27.19 | zakkm | xnt: boot with a different kernel ;p |
| 15:27.20 | EdLin | zakkm: yeah, you're probably right. |
| 15:27.37 | xnt14 | googles if a asus eee pc 701 would run osx XD |
| 15:27.46 | zakkm | yeah it should |
| 15:27.56 | EdLin | zakkm: I mostly got it because it was a netbook, decent looking, and expandable. |
| 15:28.06 | EdLin | zakkm: oh yes, and runs Ubuntu well |
| 15:28.07 | zakkm | wish i could afford one :) |
| 15:28.15 | zakkm | eww ubuntu |
| 15:28.19 | zakkm | at least use the newest moblin 2.0 |
| 15:28.29 | EdLin | zakkm: moblin is nice, but no wifi support. |
| 15:28.34 | xnt14 | I already tried that, the only thing I didn't try was efi pc |
| 15:28.41 | zakkm | EdLin: did you see the new 2.0 beta? |
| 15:28.47 | zakkm | nice new UI and all |
| 15:28.53 | zakkm | not crappy xfce, they made their own |
| 15:29.00 | EdLin | zakkm: I saw it, I was just looking at it yesterday online. |
| 15:29.11 | zakkm | xnt14: you need the efi bootloader. |
| 15:29.26 | EdLin | zakkm: I started to download it, but when I saw no wifi I aborted. |
| 15:29.31 | zakkm | thats weird |
| 15:29.34 | zakkm | cant install ? |
| 15:29.36 | xnt14 | 's dad has a laptop which is with his uncle right now, which runs 10.5.6 almost flawlessly |
| 15:29.40 | zakkm | its fedora-based i believe |
| 15:29.50 | xnt14 | sadly thats my dads laptop |
| 15:29.54 | zakkm | heh |
| 15:30.02 | zakkm | 701 should run it |
| 15:30.06 | xnt14 | so its win7 rc only :( |
| 15:30.11 | xnt14 | it would? |
| 15:30.13 | xnt14 | :) |
| 15:30.28 | xnt14 | it has a celeron 900 |
| 15:30.31 | zakkm | yeah i know |
| 15:30.34 | zakkm | i was going to buy one |
| 15:30.37 | xnt14 | I thought it wouldn't work |
| 15:30.44 | xnt14 | xD |
| 15:30.46 | zakkm | yeahh it does work |
| 15:30.54 | EdLin | xnt14: the 701 will run it, but not too well I guess since it has such a small screen, OS X likes to have some screen real-estate. |
| 15:31.16 | zakkm | yeah youd run into resolution/screensize troubles on a 7" |
| 15:31.20 | xnt14 | external screen? |
| 15:31.28 | zakkm | but support wise, its perfectly fine |
| 15:31.36 | xnt14 | so... |
| 15:31.46 | xnt14 | usb vga card? |
| 15:31.48 | xnt14 | :P |
| 15:31.54 | zakkm | it doesnt have a builtin one? |
| 15:32.02 | EdLin | run Linux on it. What kind of Linux hacker are you anyway? ;-) |
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| 15:32.18 | xnt14 | it does but when I put ubuntu on it, it wouldn't go above 800x600 |
| 15:32.32 | zakkm | ubuntu sucks :) |
| 15:32.36 | zakkm | learned that years ago |
| 15:32.45 | xnt14 | :P |
| 15:32.46 | zakkm | fedora is worse but still |
| 15:32.49 | xnt14 | not that much |
| 15:32.54 | xnt14 | fedora is a real pos |
| 15:32.58 | EdLin | I love Slackware. |
| 15:33.04 | EdLin | too bad they dropped GNOME |
| 15:33.04 | zakkm | i love gentoo :) |
| 15:33.05 | xnt14 | it screwed up my xps's grub, |
| 15:33.15 | zakkm | theres still dropline gnome? or can compile it |
| 15:33.17 | xnt14 | has gentoo on his ps3 |
| 15:33.24 | zakkm | how well does that run? |
| 15:33.28 | EdLin | zakkm: compiling GNOME by hand is a real bear. |
| 15:33.28 | zakkm | friend wanted to try it on his ps3 |
| 15:33.36 | xnt14 | pretty good, just no 3d gfx |
| 15:33.45 | zakkm | full keyboard/mouse support? |
| 15:33.49 | xnt14 | yeah |
| 15:33.50 | zakkm | internet? |
| 15:33.58 | xnt14 | I had ubuntu on my ps3 before gentto |
| 15:34.02 | xnt14 | *gentoo |
| 15:34.03 | xnt14 | yeah |
| 15:34.05 | zakkm | does it screw up ps3? |
| 15:34.07 | xnt14 | full internet |
| 15:34.16 | xnt14 | no |
| 15:34.17 | EdLin | zakkm: linux is officially supported on the PS3. |
| 15:34.30 | xnt14 | fedora screwed up my xps's bl |
| 15:34.32 | xnt14 | *grub |
| 15:34.35 | fiferboy | lbt: After I clone the qt-maemo git repo, how do I get your fingerscroll branch? |
| 15:34.35 | xnt14 | yeah |
| 15:34.37 | zakkm | i dont own a ps3 ;p or any console for that matter except a ps1 |
| 15:34.44 | EdLin | I have an xbox 360 |
| 15:34.53 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, pong |
| 15:34.57 | zakkm | i cant afford anything :p |
| 15:35.08 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, OK, I've got some stuff ready. |
| 15:35.25 | nomis | fiferboy: I don't know specifically, but try "git branch -a" and see if there is something that resembles the branch you're looking for. |
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| 15:36.34 | andre__ | GAN8001, nice... still busy with some bugmail here... want to send me a patch or how to proceed? can't promise that i will have time later today (appointment) but definitely by tomorrow |
| 15:36.48 | fiferboy | nomis: Thanks, there is a branch "origin/fingerscroll" but I can't check it out ("is ambiguous") |
| 15:36.57 | xnt14 | zakkm: http://howto.wired.com/wiki/Run_Mac_OS_X_on_an_Eee_PC ? |
| 15:37.33 | fiferboy | nomis: Oops, because I created a duplicate branch in my local repo |
| 15:37.45 | GAN8001 | andre__, I can send a patch. |
| 15:37.49 | nomis | fiferboy: try git checkout -b my-fingerscroll-branch origin/fingerscroll |
| 15:37.56 | GAN8001 | andre__, it's largely guesswork since I can't test it. |
| 15:38.07 | zakkm | xnt14: thats really old. |
| 15:38.14 | xnt14 | oh xD |
| 15:38.17 | lbt | fiferboy: git checkout fingerscroll |
| 15:38.45 | zakkm | you know how to make a bootable usb drive? |
| 15:38.53 | lbt | unetbootin |
| 15:38.58 | fiferboy | nomis: Thanks, that worked! |
| 15:39.20 | zakkm | xnt14: that follows a real mac disc. |
| 15:39.21 | fiferboy | lbt: Whenever I did that it created a new branch, but didn't have the changes of your branch |
| 15:39.32 | andre__ | GAN8001, send me mail |
| 15:39.54 | lbt | what I think you just did is create a new branch based on the origin branch |
| 15:40.02 | lbt | did you do a git clone? |
| 15:40.31 | fiferboy | lbt: Yes. I really don't understand git (good thing I didn't have anything to do with the maemo git branch!) |
| 15:40.48 | fiferboy | lbt: I did a git clone based on the URI on the qt-maemo page |
| 15:41.16 | fiferboy | lbt: git clone git://gitorious.org/+qt-maemo-developers/qt/qt-maemo.git |
| 15:41.31 | lbt | when? |
| 15:41.39 | lbt | before I created my branch? |
| 15:41.51 | fiferboy | lbt: About 30 minutes ago. |
| 15:41.52 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, done. |
| 15:41.57 | fiferboy | Your branch was there. |
| 15:41.57 | lbt | ah :) |
| 15:42.06 | fiferboy | Wasn't it? |
| 15:42.10 | lbt | yes |
| 15:42.10 | andre__ | thanks |
| 15:42.27 | GeneralAntilles | dneary, geneven doesn't remember the first election. |
| 15:42.53 | fiferboy | lbt: But when I run git branch -a it shows me: |
| 15:42.54 | dneary | GeneralAntilles: Ah - explains things |
| 15:42.57 | fiferboy | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.57 | fiferboy | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.57 | fiferboy | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.57 | fiferboy | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.57 | fiferboy | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:43.10 | GeneralAntilles | dneary, really, he generally doesn't understand much. ;) |
| 15:43.17 | nomis | fiferboy: -a also shows the remote branches. |
| 15:43.42 | GeneralAntilles | There's still the whole Maemo/maemo.org confusion. |
| 15:44.00 | GeneralAntilles | A lot of these people seem to think that itT has been absorbed by Nokia. |
| 15:44.12 | fiferboy | nomis: What I don't unserstand is why git checkout fingerscroll didn't work as I expected |
| 15:44.39 | lbt | it really should have |
| 15:44.58 | GeneralAntilles | I like how Kate's head seems to show up in a lot of the Maemo-related Engadget posts. |
| 15:45.01 | nomis | uh, is the "origin/" supposed to be optional? |
| 15:45.10 | dneary | GeneralAntilles: Well, you know my feelings on that |
| 15:45.24 | dneary | If there's confusion, it's bacuse the whole thing isn't clear |
| 15:45.28 | GeneralAntilles | dneary, different issue. Different understandings. |
| 15:45.39 | GeneralAntilles | Their view basically amounts to conspiracy theory. |
| 15:45.48 | xnt14 | wait, how do I uninstall scratchbox? |
| 15:46.08 | dneary | Who's "their"? |
| 15:46.25 | GeneralAntilles | dneary, most of the people in that "Open Letter" thread. |
| 15:46.26 | fiferboy | lbt: I notice Antonio hasn't put the debian directories in there yet. |
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| 15:47.06 | lbt | I hadn't ;) |
| 15:47.32 | fiferboy | lbt: In fact, none of the maemo-releated changes have been commited yet, other than yours. |
| 15:47.34 | dneary | GeneralAntilles: There's a definite need for more diplomacy when dealing with a group that are suspicious of Nokia to begin with and pretty cynical |
| 15:47.49 | GeneralAntilles | dneary, you haven't been reading enough Talk. |
| 15:47.53 | lbt | yes, he's working on setting them up as branches |
| 15:47.59 | fiferboy | That was a waste of time, I can't build from git yet. Oh well. |
| 15:48.01 | dneary | GeneralAntilles: I think I said that :) |
| 15:48.06 | fiferboy | Back to SVN for the moment |
| 15:48.06 | GeneralAntilles | It starts there, but then they start flinging personal attacks whenever they get the chance. |
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| 15:48.14 | GeneralAntilles | dneary, well, my point is, there's a lot of history here. |
| 15:48.40 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: 90% of the opinions are fairly sane though in that thread.. it's time to back off a bit for all involved :P |
| 15:48.41 | dneary | Seems like there definitely is a "them & us" then |
| 15:49.03 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, sane, thinly veiled personal attacks. |
| 15:49.46 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, anyway, I'm not involving myself. |
| 15:49.51 | Stskeeps | k |
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| 15:51.43 | thux | thinly veiled too fine words for bad english like me :p |
| 15:52.26 | GeneralAntilles | thux, lightly disguised. |
| 15:52.54 | thux | ah |
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| 15:54.44 | Stskeeps | watches mer try to boot on his freerunner |
| 15:57.06 | lbt | watches Ubuntu fail to login on his laptop |
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| 15:58.31 | Stskeeps | bizarre. |
| 16:01.01 | GeneralAntilles | is burnt out. |
| 16:01.38 | lcuk | sandblasted |
| 16:01.41 | lcuk | is ^ |
| 16:03.03 | z4chh | automake/autoconfig avaliable for the tablets? |
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| 16:36.54 | lcuk | guys, scratchbox - if i have installed scratchbox and the fremantle sdk into it, do i have to reinstall everything including scratchbox to do some dev on diablo |
| 16:37.01 | lcuk | or can i just add the diablo devkit into it |
| 16:37.23 | Stskeeps | merphone: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/100_3187.JPG ;p |
| 16:37.40 | lcuk | (H) thats hot |
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| 16:38.05 | GAN8001 | We need to buy Stskeeps a real camera. |
| 16:38.18 | Stskeeps | it was just shaking :P |
| 16:38.22 | Stskeeps | from the excitement |
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| 16:41.08 | xnt14 | awesome mer phone :) |
| 16:41.27 | xnt14 | but I agree new camera |
| 16:41.41 | xnt14 | :P |
| 16:42.04 | xnt14 | and... |
| 16:42.14 | xnt14 | needs a new hdd, stupid server... |
| 16:42.20 | timeless_mbp | GAN8001: ping |
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| 16:47.11 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: ping |
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| 16:57.33 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: pong |
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| 17:06.39 | timeless_mbp | sorry, my ping timed out :) |
| 17:06.46 | timeless_mbp | i was hunting for a pretty picture |
| 17:12.41 | GAN8001 | timeless_mbp, pong? |
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| 17:21.13 | xnt14 | installs gentoo |
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| 17:47.34 | slonopotamus | muahaha |
| 17:47.50 | slonopotamus | got segfault in close() :D |
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| 17:48.43 | Stskeeps | evening qwerty12_N800, howøw is it going? |
| 17:48.49 | Stskeeps | -ow |
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| 17:49.29 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, hi, all good. Got a week off. :) |
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| 17:53.20 | RST38h | moo qwerty |
| 17:53.30 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: hehe, much needed. exams ahead or? |
| 17:53.39 | qwerty12_N800 | hi RST38h |
| 17:53.49 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, yep |
| 17:54.18 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i have a nasty nasty linear algebra exam coming up - and the copenhagen weekend :P |
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| 17:55.05 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, hehe, which one is the most challenging? :P |
| 17:55.19 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: one can totally fuck up my life, .. i guess the second one can too? ;) |
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| 17:56.45 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, hehe |
| 17:58.38 | Stskeeps | the weird things you have to do for a thesis |
| 17:58.49 | Stskeeps | right now i'm watching videos of some woman doing exersises.. |
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| 18:00.29 | Corsac | Stskeeps: you call it that way? |
| 18:00.44 | qwerty12_N800 | I think that is a trait shared by many (men)... |
| 18:00.55 | Stskeeps | Corsac: it's not porn nor is it very interesting to watch :P |
| 18:01.05 | florian | re |
| 18:01.22 | kfx | I should get a degree in watching women in exercise video |
| 18:02.21 | Stskeeps | my specialization will be in pervasive healthcare, so |
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| 18:05.06 | oDuda | hello ! i wanna remove gizmo icon from maemo menu... somebody? |
| 18:06.00 | qwerty12_N800 | as root: rm /usr/share/applications/hildon/gizmo-project.desktop |
| 18:08.33 | RST38h | all right, so, what's cooking? |
| 18:09.08 | Stskeeps | Peter@Marketing responded in N900 specs |
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| 18:10.05 | lcuk | Stskeeps link |
| 18:10.09 | lcuk | -me |
| 18:10.21 | Stskeeps | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=29151&page=13 |
| 18:11.41 | oDuda | qwerty12_N800 thank you ! too much ! |
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| 18:12.03 | oDuda | qwerty12_N800 rooth is needed, so ? |
| 18:12.18 | oDuda | said rootsh |
| 18:12.22 | RST38h | Sts: Alas, his answer does not take into account fbreader users running it full screen |
| 18:13.00 | qwerty12_N800 | oDuda, yep, whatever is your favourite way of becoming root :) |
| 18:13.01 | Stskeeps | RST38h: yeah, i thught the exact same thing |
| 18:13.07 | Stskeeps | +o |
| 18:13.19 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: docpurge with your change works perfectly btw, much appreciated. |
| 18:13.34 | qwerty12_N800 | oh, cool :) |
| 18:13.55 | Stskeeps | goshawk made new packaging for it as there were license doubts of the old one |
| 18:14.09 | Stskeeps | (and it used some non-debhelper thing) |
| 18:15.55 | oDuda | qwerty12_N800 one more: is a way to gain root withouth any installing ? |
| 18:15.55 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, did you go for the dd method, or decide to use 'touch', out of curiosity? |
| 18:16.15 | qwerty12_N800 | oDuda, by enabling rd-mode but you don't wanna go there... |
| 18:16.52 | oDuda | qwerty12_N800 thank you ! :-) |
| 18:16.54 | RST38h | Anyone knows if FBreader author is on IRC? |
| 18:17.12 | oDuda | rd mode is by flasher ? |
| 18:17.14 | GAN8001 | qwerty12_N800, fuck you. :P |
| 18:17.39 | qwerty12_N800 | ~seen MishaS |
| 18:17.39 | infobot | mishas <n=MishaS@a91-154-119-97.elisa-laajakaista.fi> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 247d 9h 7m 38s ago, saying: 't_s_o, it seems to have minor severity and low priority... i wouldn't have high hopes...'. |
| 18:17.46 | qwerty12_N800 | oDuda, yes... |
| 18:17.52 | oDuda | ty |
| 18:18.01 | qwerty12_N800 | GAN8001, muhahaha, hello to you too :p |
| 18:18.24 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i used whatever you pasted on that post in qole's thread |
| 18:19.03 | RST38h | qwerty: Ehhh |
| 18:20.03 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, it may be faster dropping an e-mail :> |
| 18:20.18 | RST38h | too early for that yet |
| 18:20.31 | RST38h | has got a few ideas on how to deal with the smaller screen in n900 |
| 18:20.55 | Stskeeps | tv out? ;p |
| 18:21.10 | qwerty12_N800 | x11vnc? |
| 18:21.15 | Stskeeps | miniprojector? |
| 18:21.25 | qwerty12_N800 | voodoo? cursing nokia? |
| 18:21.47 | Stskeeps | buying a smartq7? :P |
| 18:22.24 | RST38h | Sts: No, a little zoom tied to the touch spot |
| 18:22.45 | RST38h | Sts: i.e. you touch the screen and it shows a zoom of what you have just touched right above your finger |
| 18:22.48 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 18:23.04 | RST38h | Sts: And, when you press at the top/bottom of the screen, it will slowly scroll |
| 18:23.15 | RST38h | while maintaining zoom of course |
| 18:23.59 | GAN8001 | qwerty12_N800, where did you crawl off to? |
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| 18:25.24 | GAN8001 | Peter's explanation is idiotic. |
| 18:25.30 | GAN8001 | They really don't get their users or soething. |
| 18:25.41 | RST38h | I am surprised he gave an explanation at all |
| 18:25.43 | qwerty12_N800 | GAN800, had (and still do have) exams but I've got this week off. Plus, I was having fun making my Wii run homebrew (amongst other things, *cough*) :P |
| 18:26.31 | GAN8001 | I find it hilarious that they're trying to analyze my post. |
| 18:26.43 | GAN8001 | I have access to nothing more interesting than what they have. |
| 18:27.33 | Stskeeps | on the other hand |
| 18:27.57 | Stskeeps | the people coming out of the woodwork does confirm this was a real leak, even though most of these things were already known :P |
| 18:28.01 | qwerty12_N800 | GAN8001, I thought, you being a maemo.org council member, had access to all of Nokia's workings? </sarcasm> :p |
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| 18:28.31 | GAN8001 | qwerty12_N800, well, apparently, I'm evil now. |
| 18:28.45 | Stskeeps | "now"? :P |
| 18:28.59 | Stskeeps | ;) |
| 18:29.10 | GAN8001 | and it's reasonable to masquerade an "Open Letter" thread as a "let's attack GA" thread. |
| 18:29.24 | qwerty12_N800 | :( |
| 18:29.50 | GAN8001 | I need to block Talk with a proxy or something |
| 18:30.17 | lcuk | that never works |
| 18:30.29 | GAN8001 | qwerty12_N800, you out of school yet? |
| 18:30.34 | Stskeeps | i tried that with slashdot |
| 18:30.36 | lcuk | get one of the moderators to REALLY block you |
| 18:30.37 | Stskeeps | failed miserably |
| 18:30.51 | lcuk | heh sts ditto |
| 18:30.55 | lcuk | timesink |
| 18:31.32 | RST38h | GAN: Just let 'em be |
| 18:31.34 | GAN8001 | Stskeeps, this damn insanity better blow over soon or I'm just going to have to walk out completely. |
| 18:31.37 | RST38h | Nobody is after you |
| 18:31.53 | GAN8001 | Just aint worth it. |
| 18:32.06 | RST38h | It is just that the transfer to talk.maemo.org has not been handled properly |
| 18:32.14 | Stskeeps | GAN8001: actually i read it as a message to several personalities, but that's how it is |
| 18:32.22 | qwerty12_N800 | GAN8001, for all practical purposes, yes. Just got to go back for exams. |
| 18:33.42 | Stskeeps | GAN8001: because it's been attack-counterattack-countercounterattack etc in some of the threads and that's just noise, from both "sides" |
| 18:33.56 | Stskeeps | so it's more of a call to calm the fuck down :P |
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| 18:34.44 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, there's a non-public history to Texrat's blow-up. |
| 18:35.13 | Stskeeps | probably, but i honestly think it's time to get back to business :P |
| 18:37.38 | GAN800 | Piece of shit Modest |
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| 18:37.51 | GAN800 | Who the fuck came up with the save to drafts dialog |
| 18:37.52 | oDuda | qwerty_N800 - can you translate this "apt-get remove skype-installer" to gizmo please ? |
| 18:38.04 | GAN800 | That UI designer needs bamboo under his nails. |
| 18:38.05 | Stskeeps | i personally haven't been able to see any community work through all the noise lately so i'm just looking forward to getting good community info again :P |
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| 18:39.13 | Stskeeps | right, tea |
| 18:39.26 | kfx | man, if maemo had an sdk more like mer's my life would be way easier |
| 18:39.45 | Stskeeps | kfx: me throwing a massive fit over scratchbox is part reason why mer exists |
| 18:40.17 | qwerty12_N800 | oDuda, 'dpkg -S /usr/share/applications/hildon/gizmo-project.desktop' says: gizmo-installer but, thanks to osso-software-version, you don't want to remove it... dpkg -L gizmo-installer if neeeded and delete the files manually |
| 18:40.42 | qwerty12_N800 | s/neeeded/needed/ |
| 18:40.46 | kfx | scratchbox is like a well-researched, carefully-planned, cunningly-crafted set of tools designed to make easier the difficult task of interefering with everything I try to do |
| 18:41.42 | Stskeeps | kfx++ |
| 18:41.56 | lcuk | lol kfx |
| 18:42.06 | kfx | it's quite comprehensive |
| 18:42.21 | oDuda | qwerty_N800 ty |
| 18:42.30 | kfx | if I somehow stumble into accidentally making something work right scratchbox promptly crashes in a last-ditch effort to confound me |
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| 18:43.41 | lcuk | i have to say, it does work normally on the rare occasions i tried it - but then again that was for small amounts of simple |
| 18:44.31 | qwerty12_N800 | My biggest scratchbox annoyance is its fuck up of autotools. I've ended up passing extra libs as ldflags all because scratchbox bolloxes up an autoreconf |
| 18:45.17 | lcuk | its not even practical to do a vmk of diablo+sdk libraries is it |
| 18:45.41 | lcuk | i know mer is designed and can work like that already |
| 18:46.23 | lcuk | mmmm |
| 18:46.29 | lcuk | thats a great tagline |
| 18:46.51 | GAN8001 | qwerty12_N800, by the way, we kind of assume you left for good. :P |
| 18:46.52 | lcuk | "liqbase :: northern powered" |
| 18:47.38 | Stskeeps | yeah, we divided your developer rebate rx-51's amongst us |
| 18:47.39 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:47.52 | qwerty12_N800 | GAN8001, qwerties don't die, we multiply! (your keyboard is the proof :p) |
| 18:48.12 | lcuk | thinks qwertys rebate should be subsidised by community kitty as well |
| 18:48.15 | qwerty12_N800 | Meh, I'll hold out for the -71. the rx-51 is a joke |
| 18:48.33 | GAN800 | we were talking about taking up a collection to get you a device so you'd come back but lardman blew it on booze and hookers. |
| 18:48.43 | lcuk | and bacon |
| 18:49.18 | Stskeeps | microsd is too friggen small. |
| 18:49.26 | lcuk | fingernail sized |
| 18:49.31 | lcuk | takes his off and shows you |
| 18:50.00 | lcuk | the side stitching has healed more or less now! |
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| 18:50.12 | RST38h | cackles at the thought that RX-71 may well end up being a standard flip-cover cell phone |
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| 18:52.21 | Stskeeps | curses over openmoko casing |
| 18:52.25 | GAN800 | RST38h, there's always Pandora and Mer I guess. |
| 18:52.42 | RST38h | GAN: Pandora isn't. |
| 18:52.56 | RST38h | GAN: SmartQ 7 looks like an interesting idea though |
| 18:53.05 | lcuk | Stskeeps, are the accel units accessible in the moko |
| 18:53.08 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 18:53.10 | Stskeeps | they're excellent |
| 18:53.13 | Stskeeps | better than the nokia ones |
| 18:53.29 | lcuk | how can you tell? |
| 18:53.33 | Stskeeps | specs |
| 18:53.45 | Stskeeps | 35hz nokia ones, 100 or 400hz openmoko ones |
| 18:53.46 | lcuk | are they accessible using the same api |
| 18:53.52 | lcuk | ahh does that matter? |
| 18:54.00 | Stskeeps | hz = amount of samples per second |
| 18:54.05 | lcuk | yeah i know that lol |
| 18:54.14 | lcuk | but if you only show x fps what does it really matter? |
| 18:54.42 | lcuk | its like the difference between a normal mouse and a super gaming high res mouse |
| 18:54.50 | lcuk | both will get the pointer around the screen |
| 18:55.06 | lcuk | and you have to be an mouseophile to notice the difference |
| 18:55.15 | mgedmin | hm |
| 18:55.18 | lcuk | is used to compromise |
| 18:55.30 | mgedmin | actually, the thing with mice, you'll notice when you reach the end of the mouse pad, I think |
| 18:55.42 | lcuk | mgedmin, not the same thing really |
| 18:55.51 | lcuk | super gaming mice have extreme silly dpi |
| 18:55.58 | lcuk | and transmission speeds beyond anything needed |
| 18:56.00 | mgedmin | which is different from hz :) |
| 18:56.06 | mgedmin | the dpi thing is noticeable |
| 18:56.09 | lcuk | sampling frequency |
| 18:56.34 | lcuk | thinks mgedmin is a mousophile |
| 18:56.37 | lcuk | :P |
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| 18:57.00 | mgedmin | observe this traditional trackpoint, how smooth the motion, how close to the home row, how red the cap |
| 18:57.34 | lcuk | heh |
| 18:57.41 | kfx | mmmm trackpoints |
| 18:58.01 | lcuk | i work at about 1/10 speed using a computer nipple |
| 18:58.11 | kfx | I'm so conflicted about netbooks. Sony makes one with a trackpoint! But then I'd be giving money to Sony! augh |
| 18:58.37 | lcuk | i just got a 12" lenovo |
| 18:58.49 | lcuk | smaller than normal but not cut down |
| 18:59.08 | Corsac | the s12? |
| 18:59.14 | Corsac | or a real thinkpad? |
| 18:59.21 | lcuk | x41 touch |
| 18:59.21 | GAN800 | 'thanks to the Mer team and qole and PB' Ehehe |
| 18:59.26 | Corsac | tablet :) |
| 18:59.47 | Stskeeps | GAN800: mm? :P |
| 18:59.51 | kfx | I'm leaning toward getting one of the last x61s that has 1400x1050 |
| 18:59.51 | lcuk | yeah |
| 19:00.06 | Corsac | kfx: no x61s has 1400x1050 |
| 19:00.11 | Corsac | kfx: only x61t |
| 19:00.13 | lcuk | the higher res would be nice |
| 19:00.19 | lcuk | but for what i need its ok |
| 19:00.28 | kfx | sorry, the s was a pluralization sigil there :) |
| 19:00.43 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, you got lumped in. :p |
| 19:00.44 | Corsac | no x61 has 1400x1050 either :) |
| 19:00.50 | Corsac | you'll have to take a tablet |
| 19:00.56 | kfx | works for me |
| 19:01.01 | Stskeeps | GAN800: in what now |
| 19:01.04 | kfx | as long as it's a ~12" screen |
| 19:01.33 | GAN800 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=289948&postcount=136 |
| 19:02.31 | Corsac | if you don't hate widescreen as much as me, you may want to look at x200s, 1440×900 |
| 19:03.20 | kfx | I don't mind widescreen, but I can get the older model way cheaper |
| 19:05.03 | Corsac | yeah but x200s might be cheaper than a tablet (not sure about second hand though) |
| 19:06.39 | Stskeeps | GAN800: yeah.. my usual mantra "there's no Mer without Maemo." |
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| 19:14.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there a simple way to compile debian packages for maemo, then? |
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| 19:17.02 | minra | bundyo, gemrb 0.4.0 just released |
| 19:17.05 | lbt | CutMeOwnThroat: you mean port from Debian to Maemo? |
| 19:18.24 | xnt14 | im back |
| 19:19.14 | lcuk | lobs a custard pie @ xnt14 |
| 19:19.22 | xnt14 | dodges |
| 19:19.31 | xnt14 | ~attack lcuk |
| 19:19.32 | infobot | ACTION grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing lcuk |
| 19:19.38 | xnt14 | xD |
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| 19:20.00 | xnt14 | hold on a sec |
| 19:20.04 | lcuk | i need an anti attack attacking irc bot of my own! |
| 19:20.14 | lcuk | bacon |
| 19:20.16 | lcuk | :D |
| 19:20.27 | lbt | lcuk: just don't get bman started too... they had a hell of a skirmish the other night.... |
| 19:20.34 | lcuk | lol lbt |
| 19:20.34 | kfx | is there a matching ~retreat command |
| 19:20.44 | lcuk | the liqirc bots respond to bacon :$ |
| 19:20.53 | lcuk | they get kicked out of the chan if they start |
| 19:21.12 | xnt14 | well |
| 19:21.18 | lcuk | kfx, it doesnt understand french :O |
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| 19:21.26 | xnt14 | $mayhem |
| 19:21.32 | xntbot | causes mayhem |
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| 19:22.01 | lcuk | hahah |
| 19:22.21 | xnt14 | $remove(from="userdb",value="lcuk") |
| 19:22.24 | xntbot | done |
| 19:22.27 | xnt14 | :) |
| 19:22.41 | xnt14 | now lcuk can't use my bot against me |
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| 19:23.08 | lbt | $remove(from="userdb",value="xnt14") |
| 19:23.12 | qwerty12_N800 | oh, I thought that was its 'people to be stalked' list |
| 19:23.35 | xntbot | lcuk, sorry, my owner has blocked you |
| 19:23.35 | lcuk | xnt14, i wrote my bot originally to do sketching over irc |
| 19:23.50 | xnt14 | oh so, I can |
| 19:23.57 | xnt14 | $draw box |
| 19:24.04 | lcuk | it got kicked for flooding |
| 19:24.15 | xntbot | draws a box on liqbase's sketch function |
| 19:24.40 | xnt14 | yeah |
| 19:24.45 | xnt14 | so make it one way |
| 19:25.00 | lcuk | you mean in a pm |
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| 19:25.06 | xnt14 | maybe |
| 19:25.23 | lcuk | i like what you did there tho |
| 19:25.37 | xnt14 | just make is so you type "%draw box 0,0" and it would draw a box |
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| 19:25.52 | xnt14 | and maybe give feedback |
| 19:25.59 | lcuk | yeah - the graphics library is simple enough to handle the syntax |
| 19:26.00 | xnt14 | hold on a second |
| 19:26.02 | lcuk | ive got a parser somewhere |
| 19:26.41 | xnt14 | $add(draw, from="/dv/xntbot/draw.bp") |
| 19:27.15 | lcuk | you know the search box in liqbase |
| 19:27.20 | xnt14 | yeah |
| 19:27.24 | lcuk | i was thinking of allowing command syntax in there too |
| 19:27.53 | xnt14 | so... |
| 19:27.56 | xnt14 | like this |
| 19:28.00 | *** part/#maemo oDuda (n=oDuda@189.1.144.194) |
| 19:28.07 | xnt14 | $simulate(draw.bp); |
| 19:28.09 | lcuk | just like the console :) |
| 19:28.21 | lcuk | i dont see anything you do btw |
| 19:28.31 | xnt14 | $draw circle 15,15 |
| 19:28.35 | lcuk | or are those just examples |
| 19:28.39 | xnt14 | its just a simulation |
| 19:28.53 | xntbot | Circle Drawn |
| 19:29.00 | lcuk | lotta lag |
| 19:29.01 | lcuk | :P |
| 19:29.03 | xnt14 | :P |
| 19:29.25 | xnt14 | wait was that public? |
| 19:29.35 | lardman | pours a beer |
| 19:29.37 | lcuk | you should know lol |
| 19:29.44 | lcuk | hey lardman \o |
| 19:29.49 | lardman | hi lcuk |
| 19:29.57 | xnt14 | ... |
| 19:30.00 | xnt14 | kvm |
| 19:30.02 | xnt14 | *nvm |
| 19:30.11 | xnt14 | watches |
| 19:30.15 | qwerty12_N800 | ello lardman |
| 19:30.52 | lardman | hey qwerty12_N800 |
| 19:30.58 | lardman | did I see you say you have a week off? |
| 19:31.23 | qwerty12_N800 | yep, your eyes do not trick you ;) |
| 19:31.36 | lardman | but you're a student, so what's new?! ;) |
| 19:32.35 | lardman | browses the n900 revelaed thread on Talk once again, in the vague hope that someone's discovered the screen size was reported wrongly |
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| 19:34.24 | xnt14 | is bored (again...) |
| 19:34.32 | xnt14 | $unbored |
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| 19:34.44 | xntbot | get unbored |
| 19:34.47 | xnt14 | :P |
| 19:34.51 | xnt14 | that was random |
| 19:34.52 | lardman | $unboard=TRUE |
| 19:35.01 | xnt14 | board? xD |
| 19:35.15 | xnt14 | im board xD |
| 19:35.45 | lardman | I'm getting married in a few days, no time for boredom in amongst the stuff to be done! ;) |
| 19:35.53 | xnt14 | yeah... |
| 19:36.03 | xnt14 | no time for boredom :P |
| 19:36.19 | lardman | yep, I'm looking forward to some next week :) |
| 19:36.33 | xnt14 | :) |
| 19:37.16 | lcuk | takin your tablet on honeymoon? |
| 19:37.30 | lardman | of course |
| 19:37.33 | lardman | ! |
| 19:37.35 | lcuk | hahaha |
| 19:37.54 | lcuk | tracy would ban mine |
| 19:38.03 | rm_you | lol |
| 19:38.07 | GAN800 | lardman, still another model. |
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| 19:38.16 | lardman | I'll probably only use it to look at photos mind you |
| 19:38.27 | GAN800 | But I can't believe how fucking thick and retarded Nokia is. |
| 19:38.29 | lardman | GAN800: the "n900" stuff? Fingers crossed then |
| 19:38.56 | GAN800 | 'How can we best fuck this up?' must be the question they asl themselves every day |
| 19:39.17 | GAN800 | 'How can we ruin your day today?' |
| 19:39.23 | rm_you | GAN800: ? |
| 19:39.30 | lardman | probably a Boolean operation along the lines of: design = !(community design ideas) |
| 19:39.50 | rm_you | something else after the leak? or just referring to that |
| 19:39.56 | GAN800 | design == whatever the worst ideas we can come up with are |
| 19:39.59 | lcuk | actually community design has shown itself to be not universally great |
| 19:40.04 | rm_you | just woke up |
| 19:40.22 | lardman | rm_you: there was supposed to be an RX-51 and a -71 iirc from the kernel patch |
| 19:41.16 | mavhc | community can't design, it can only evolve |
| 19:41.41 | rm_you | ... and why is that making GA rant? :P |
| 19:41.51 | lardman | ok so not designs, but in terms of wishes, I think most power users would like a screen as large (and I'd like one a little larger in fact) |
| 19:41.51 | minra | if true, looks great - 32gB internal |
| 19:41.57 | mavhc | if they're going to announce an actual tablet they'd better do it quickly now |
| 19:42.09 | mavhc | 256MB ram still seems small to me |
| 19:42.11 | minra | why mavhc |
| 19:42.21 | mavhc | because everyone's freaking out |
| 19:42.21 | minra | whats the rush |
| 19:42.24 | Stskeeps | mavhc: 256mb + swap is more than enough for maemo like things |
| 19:42.35 | rm_you | i was hoping they'd do it at the hackfest next weekend |
| 19:42.44 | Stskeeps | heck, mer is bloated in comparison to maemo, and it actually fits nicely in 100mb :P |
| 19:42.44 | minra | awxd make a better dpad anyway |
| 19:43.20 | GAN800 | rm_you, Talk has put me in a bad fucking mood. |
| 19:43.33 | rm_you | ah |
| 19:43.36 | mavhc | the recent announcement of this intel/nokia phone stack is odd, considering the timing |
| 19:43.43 | minra | i think it is smart to make smaller |
| 19:43.55 | GAN800 | rm_you, read the open letter insanity for funtimes. |
| 19:43.59 | minra | less bezel would have been nice |
| 19:44.06 | rm_you | GAN800: linky? |
| 19:44.10 | GAN800 | mavhc, 512MB would impact battery life. |
| 19:44.13 | mavhc | the n810 is too big to hold by your ear anyway |
| 19:44.27 | GAN800 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=289967 |
| 19:44.31 | lardman | hmm, confirmation from Mara too |
| 19:44.39 | lardman | reads the Talk thread backlog |
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| 19:45.02 | Jaffa | lardman: ditto |
| 19:45.08 | lcuk | http://johndyer.name/lab/pv3d/sizer/ |
| 19:45.22 | lcuk | add dimensions to this from ages ago someone did for n810 and iphone and stuff |
| 19:45.27 | minra | n810 just doesnt have enough dpi :) |
| 19:45.37 | lardman | It's not making me overly happy mind you, but at least I can head off on honeymoon not worrying that I'll miss the release of something exciting |
| 19:45.39 | lcuk | (unboxing thread for n810!) |
| 19:46.09 | lardman | I do need a new phone though.... |
| 19:46.18 | xnt14 | yeah |
| 19:46.21 | xnt14 | so do I |
| 19:46.23 | Jaffa | Bit bulky for a primary phone |
| 19:46.27 | Jaffa | (for me, anyway) |
| 19:46.32 | xnt14 | stuck with a blackberry |
| 19:46.49 | lardman | I need to draw it out on paper and see how big, how does it compare to an iPhone? |
| 19:47.03 | lcuk | lardman, as i say |
| 19:47.04 | lcuk | http://johndyer.name/lab/pv3d/sizer/ |
| 19:47.06 | lcuk | add to that |
| 19:47.08 | lcuk | and see |
| 19:47.15 | lardman | lcuk: sorry, missed that line |
| 19:47.18 | GAN800 | iPhone is 3.5" LCD |
| 19:47.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | lbt, yes .. although I'd not call it porting if it's already compiled for the same architecture |
| 19:47.46 | Jaffa | iPhone is thinner than an N810 (11mm vs. 14mm). 18mm is fscking huge |
| 19:47.58 | lardman | and compared to the new model? |
| 19:48.12 | lbt | struggles to recall CutMeOwnThroat's precise question |
| 19:48.16 | Jaffa | "N900" is, allegedly, 18mm |
| 19:48.24 | mavhc | why make it thicker? |
| 19:48.32 | lardman | to fit the gubbins in |
| 19:48.40 | mavhc | which gubbins? |
| 19:48.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | <CutMeOwnThroat> is there a simple way to compile debian packages for maemo, then |
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| 19:48.44 | Jaffa | mavhc: smaller width & height mean more depth needed for the similar/more amount of hardware |
| 19:48.50 | Jaffa | (also explains smaller battery?) |
| 19:48.57 | lardman | yeah |
| 19:49.09 | Stskeeps | ponders why noone has pointed out that if people hate the n900 ui so much, they can easily change it |
| 19:49.13 | Jaffa | mavhc: FM RX/TX, accelerometers, HSPA chip |
| 19:49.13 | lardman | and I guess the omap3 + power saving has moved on too, so it may even have better life |
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| 19:49.23 | lbt | more than install scratchbox and type dpkg-buildpkg -b ?? |
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| 19:49.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds easy enough :) |
| 19:50.01 | Meiz_n810 | FM TX? |
| 19:50.01 | lbt | I used to apt-get source locally |
| 19:50.02 | mavhc | tbh I've no idea where the gubbins are on the n810, there's the back section, with the battery, kb, aerials, and the top section, with the screen. no idea where the gubbins fit |
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| 19:50.09 | lbt | then move it into sbox and do that... |
| 19:50.15 | lbt | got ddd working.... |
| 19:50.22 | lardman | Meiz_n810: yeah, with RDS too |
| 19:50.49 | Meiz_n810 | think Fm transmitter is useless |
| 19:50.50 | lbt | you often have to chase down dependencies since Maemo is a bit sparse... |
| 19:51.04 | lardman | Meiz_n810: in car? |
| 19:51.05 | lbt | you may want to consider Mer if that gets heavy |
| 19:51.07 | mavhc | rds is apparently easy to hack |
| 19:51.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | lbt, brb, phone |
| 19:51.19 | lardman | in general, or this particular chipset? |
| 19:51.21 | lbt | although usually in Mer your package is also there |
| 19:51.23 | qwerty12_N800 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.27 | Meiz_n810 | lardman: i don't have a car :P |
| 19:51.29 | xnt14 | :P |
| 19:51.45 | lardman | regarding RDS, and the fact it can also receive, think of traffic info (TMC) |
| 19:52.13 | lardman | Hmm, from Peter: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=29151&page=13 |
| 19:52.17 | lardman | sounds like that's official then |
| 19:52.19 | mavhc | seems odd that at the same time as everyone wants to add a 3.5mm audio input to their car stereo the car stereos have become so integrated into the dashboard it's much more difficult than 10 years ago |
| 19:53.15 | Stskeeps | lardman: i honestly think it's quite a brilliant marketing move |
| 19:53.32 | Stskeeps | release a phone to attract new people, release a tablet afterwards |
| 19:53.51 | Stskeeps | heck, release a 7" version.. :P |
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| 19:54.12 | Stskeeps | it's a well laid path suckering people into using maemo on more things |
| 19:54.12 | mavhc | first, wait for apple to release whatever they're going to do, then respond |
| 19:54.14 | lardman | well perhaps, we'll have to see what happens |
| 19:54.33 | Jaffa | thinks a massively popular phone-style device would be fantastic for Maemo. It'll just end up being a different Maemo and device to the ones we've grown with. |
| 19:54.50 | lardman | yep |
| 19:54.50 | Stskeeps | i would love a open maemophone |
| 19:54.58 | Stskeeps | especially after spending some time with the freerunner.. |
| 19:54.58 | Meiz_n810 | wants Cortex-A9 based netbook |
| 19:54.58 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:55.06 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: touch book |
| 19:55.17 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: Cortex-A9? |
| 19:55.21 | lardman | I want a kb though! |
| 19:55.40 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: fair enough, a8 |
| 19:55.52 | Meiz_n810 | A9 would be nice |
| 19:56.04 | Meiz_n810 | 1GHz 4-core |
| 19:56.17 | Meiz_n810 | and still a long battery life :) |
| 19:56.45 | lcuk | doesnt even run his laptop at 1ghz |
| 19:56.59 | mavhc | what don't you like about the freerunner Stskeeps? |
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| 19:57.25 | Stskeeps | mavhc: armv4t, for starters, their mini sd slot, the awkward position of buttons, the software(s) |
| 19:57.31 | Stskeeps | i kinda like their gps and accelerometer though |
| 19:57.38 | xnt14 | runs his laptop at 2.11Ghz |
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| 19:58.00 | mavhc | the microsd slot is badly placed? |
| 19:58.00 | Stskeeps | evening johnx |
| 19:58.03 | timelys | Stskeeps, ping |
| 19:58.09 | Stskeeps | timelys: pong |
| 19:58.29 | Stskeeps | mavhc: nah, that one is okay, it's just a bitch to get up |
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| 20:00.38 | GeneralAntilles | Meiz_n810, wait until next year. |
| 20:01.09 | Meiz_n810 | Cortex-A9 will come 2010? |
| 20:01.13 | Meiz_n810 | great |
| 20:01.15 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 20:01.18 | lardman | so, is the n810 screen actually smaller than that on the n800? |
| 20:01.25 | GeneralAntilles | ES units are just being produced. |
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| 20:01.36 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, no, they're all the same size. |
| 20:01.39 | GeneralAntilles | 4.13" |
| 20:01.49 | lardman | I thought so |
| 20:02.08 | lardman | but the Pandora screen is slightly larger then, at 4.3" |
| 20:02.57 | minra | i am getting the 2453rd one |
| 20:03.33 | johnx | morning :) |
| 20:03.44 | minra | hope n900 gets sold at retail stores |
| 20:03.51 | minra | hi |
| 20:03.56 | lardman | I will have to send an email and see if they are taking the Google checkout orders |
| 20:04.11 | rm_you | god, why is everyone freaking out? just wait for Nokia to tell you what the actual device is, THEN freak out, I hate rumors and speculation <_< |
| 20:04.36 | qwerty12_N800 | hi johnx |
| 20:04.55 | johnx | morning qwerty12_N800 :D |
| 20:04.57 | lardman | rm_you: not enough news :) |
| 20:05.41 | lardman | lol @ http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=290000&postcount=176 |
| 20:06.38 | mavhc | who's this texrat, and why does he want the sarcasm to stop, doesn't he realise some of us are british? |
| 20:06.56 | lardman | he was a Nokia employee |
| 20:07.06 | Jaffa | USian. |
| 20:07.06 | GAN800 | The he had a meltdown |
| 20:07.09 | johnx | the funny thing is, I already assumed those were the specs months ago and was still looking forward to it |
| 20:07.10 | Jaffa | Laid-off. |
| 20:07.27 | Jaffa | johnx: didn't share the screen part number joy ;-) |
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| 20:07.58 | johnx | GA and I were talking about it on here |
| 20:08.01 | johnx | it's in the logs |
| 20:08.16 | Jaffa | Ah well |
| 20:08.39 | johnx | that was like 6 months ago and all I came up with was a hunch, nothing I could really be certain of |
| 20:08.40 | Jaffa | A post on tmo would hopefully distract from such things as "Open letter to the Maemo community" |
| 20:08.40 | lardman | at least Peter's last comment leaves room for there to be a proper 'tablet' device |
| 20:09.03 | Stskeeps | johnx: the question is if it's in rx51 or rx71 config |
| 20:09.12 | johnx | that's the rx51 |
| 20:09.22 | johnx | the rx71 won't have a qwerty pad I think |
| 20:09.30 | Jaffa | breathes deeply, as Texrat exhorts, as his "letter" of pleading to stop the sniping is nothing but full of sniping. |
| 20:09.44 | johnx | also, any zaurus users have known that a 3.5" to 3.8" screen is totally usable |
| 20:10.07 | lardman | johnx: I disagree, I was more than happy to go up the scale |
| 20:10.21 | lardman | well usable perhaps, but not ideal for anything I wanted to use it for |
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| 20:10.51 | johnx | I was too, but going down by .8" of screen size in exchange by tons more power I'll take it |
| 20:10.57 | Meiz_n810 | will use his broken n810 until Cortex-A9 jumps out |
| 20:11.08 | lardman | videos on the Zaurus were always painful, the size that is |
| 20:11.16 | mavhc | can't we just make a stretchy screen? |
| 20:11.24 | lardman | and reading stuff, webpages, docs, etc. were equally so |
| 20:11.40 | johnx | shrugs |
| 20:11.51 | GAN800 | 4.1", 1024x600 |
| 20:11.56 | GAN800 | make my year |
| 20:11.57 | lardman | It was a cool device to hack with, but not to be productive with (imho), for that I need something more like the Psion 5 |
| 20:11.59 | johnx | I still use my zaurus from time to time. biggest with the zaurus for me was lack of RAM |
| 20:12.17 | johnx | GAN800: I bet they're still hilariously tied to 800x480 in some way :> |
| 20:12.29 | mavhc | seeing as the n810 can't actually play 800x480 videos... |
| 20:12.32 | lardman | GAN800: res is really of little interest to me, actual size of words on the screen is |
| 20:12.50 | Stskeeps | i wonder if you can make a touchscreen magnifying glass |
| 20:12.56 | Stskeeps | as in, touchscreen surface on it |
| 20:13.01 | Proteous | heh |
| 20:13.04 | lardman | like the ones you get in the back of an atlas :) |
| 20:13.38 | lardman | heads to watch TV |
| 20:13.53 | Proteous | TVs to watch some head |
| 20:14.03 | Proteous | er |
| 20:14.07 | qwerty12_N800 | haha |
| 20:14.40 | johnx | Stskeeps: I wonder if that was the idea behind the palm pre's curved screen... |
| 20:15.20 | Stskeeps | johnx: heck, i'd go for retina overlay.. |
| 20:15.21 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:15.36 | Proteous | not sure how the touchscreen would work on that though |
| 20:15.40 | Proteous | sounds painfull |
| 20:16.05 | kfx | I hate cisco cleanaccess so much |
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| 20:16.57 | johnx | kfx: I just hate cisco so much |
| 20:17.06 | kfx | excellent point |
| 20:18.15 | Stskeeps | glances oddly at his freerunner |
| 20:18.15 | johnx | I've had far too much interaction with them to have any warm and fuzzy feelings towards them |
| 20:18.23 | Stskeeps | why does it claim it signed on to a network.. |
| 20:18.34 | Stskeeps | (i put in a hong kong FCCW card) |
| 20:18.35 | GAN800 | HAXERS |
| 20:18.46 | johnx | Stskeeps: the CIA is tracking you |
| 20:19.14 | Stskeeps | johnx: i have one of the most predictable patterns, heck, they dont even need to track me, just follow me for a day |
| 20:19.17 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:20.16 | kfx | "connected to network ECHELON" |
| 20:20.18 | johnx | you ascribe fairly optimistic levels of competency ... |
| 20:21.16 | mavhc | top secret things are competant, no oversight to tell you to do something stupid |
| 20:22.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | lbt, I'm not sure how scratchbox works... I see I can install it on in i386 system, tough... |
| 20:23.07 | minra | the new talk.maemo.org works great on tablet. good job! fast... |
| 20:23.09 | Stskeeps | bbl sleep |
| 20:23.33 | GAN800 | looks like a really shitty kickstand, too. |
| 20:23.48 | GAN800 | http://www.cellpassion.com/news/2009/05/25/nokia-rover-is-an-n97-killer-internet-tablet.aspx |
| 20:24.00 | GAN800 | Nokia sure knows how to screw the pooch |
| 20:24.02 | minra | scratchbox lets you build programs for maemo CutMeOwnThroat |
| 20:24.03 | johnx | 'night Stskeeps |
| 20:24.27 | minra | it compiles to arm or x86 |
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| 20:24.57 | johnx | minra: you can do either |
| 20:25.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, but it can't contain all the libraries one needs ... |
| 20:25.09 | minra | or |
| 20:25.56 | minra | you need to download missing ones into scratchbox environment |
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| 20:26.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | mm, no README.Debian |
| 20:27.06 | johnx | CutMeOwnThroat: check out the guide online |
| 20:27.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | checking the regular readme now |
| 20:28.01 | lbt | CutMeOwnThroat: what do you actually want to do? |
| 20:28.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | lbt, just get some simple packages that I miss (e.g. less) |
| 20:28.20 | Jaffa | GAN800: That photo looks very odd - a Diablo-ish screenshot? |
| 20:28.44 | GAN800 | Jaffa, yeah, looks like Maemo 3 icons on Chinook. |
| 20:30.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | lbt, perhaps some less-simple stuff somewhat lateron :) |
| 20:30.13 | |R | # |
| 20:30.23 | |R | Bands: GSM Quad-Band 850, 900, 1800, 1900. WCDMA 900, 1700/2100, 2100 <- does that mean ... all at the same time? |
| 20:30.31 | lbt | In that case sbox is what you want |
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| 20:31.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'd seen it mentioned... was just hesitant, so thanks for the kick :) |
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| 20:32.05 | johnx | though, just so you know, I think less is available from somewhere |
| 20:33.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | apropos... what's doing the job of iwconfig? that network-manager itself? |
| 20:33.01 | lbt | what's the latest fremantle dev env? |
| 20:33.04 | lbt | http://maemo.org/development/sdks/pre_alpha_installation/ |
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| 20:34.09 | GAN800 | beta |
| 20:34.50 | lbt | <sigh> http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5-0/ gives ^^ link |
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| 20:35.40 | minra | any way to get hidef youtubes playing back without hiccups on mplayer (via mytube)? |
| 20:36.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | lbt, last 3 sentences you were not talking to me, were you? |
| 20:36.14 | lbt | no :) |
| 20:36.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | good :) |
| 20:36.23 | johnx | minra: what resolution and video/audio codecs are they? |
| 20:36.28 | lbt | Need to setup sbox on a laptop for the Danish weekend though |
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| 20:36.43 | minra | i dont know |
| 20:36.49 | minra | flash video |
| 20:37.20 | minra | even if i hide mplayer, the audio hiccups |
| 20:37.35 | minra | maybe i try -vo null |
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| 20:38.51 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: ooo impress |
| 20:39.00 | timeless_mbp | i'm sorry :) |
| 20:39.11 | qwerty12_N800 | minra, -novideo - vo null just stops it from being outputted, not decoded |
| 20:39.41 | minra | meh |
| 20:40.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | minra, -novideo |
| 20:40.25 | qwerty12_N800 | there's a difference, believe me, even more o when regarding the tablet ;) |
| 20:41.30 | kfx | 3.5" screen? ugh |
| 20:41.35 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: at least it antialiases text |
| 20:42.21 | johnx | heh, screen size is the same as the touch ... |
| 20:43.03 | rm_you | timeless_mbp: so i see you're going to be at CPH? |
| 20:44.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | johnx, and you guys were right, the media-player that comes with the N818 shows better performance than mplayer.... although that's strange, thinking how obsessed the mplayer guys are with good performance :) |
| 20:44.45 | timeless_mbp | :) |
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| 20:45.06 | johnx | CutMeOwnThroat: depends on the codec used |
| 20:45.30 | johnx | nokia has a better ARM AAC decoder I believe, which makes a huge difference |
| 20:45.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe... weelll... too true, I installed mplayer because the other player couldn't decode the 1st video I tried at all :) |
| 20:45.54 | johnx | also, keep in mind that mplayer for x86 and for ARM will have different levels of optimization |
| 20:46.18 | johnx | the mp3 decoder in mplayer-arm is *fast* for example |
| 20:47.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | easy to imagine, I found lots of discussions on it |
| 20:48.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | they probably didn't put too much effort into other architectures than x86 |
| 20:48.39 | GeneralAntilles | There's a lot of room for opts in MPlayer |
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| 20:48.57 | johnx | the "they" for mplayer x86 and mplayer arm are different people |
| 20:49.28 | GeneralAntilles | 3.5" . . . I'm inclined to be really pissed at Nokia for making me waste a ton of time and effort on a platform they're going to hamstring. |
| 20:49.42 | johnx | the people (person?) optimizing mplayer for ARM put in a lot of work, but in the end ran out of energy since they weren't getting much help |
| 20:50.08 | johnx | GeneralAntilles: yeah, just like everyone looked at the iphone and said "3.5", I'll stick to the Newton." |
| 20:50.21 | minra | phone customers dont buy n810 sized appliances GeneralAntilles |
| 20:50.24 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, that's exactly what I did. |
| 20:50.37 | johnx | GeneralAntilles: you're not the "core market" :) |
| 20:50.41 | GeneralAntilles | I don't want a phone, I want an internet tablet. |
| 20:50.54 | lbt | Mer |
| 20:50.55 | johnx | phones sell, ipods sell, tablets don't |
| 20:51.12 | GeneralAntilles | and unfortunately I've wasted years of my life on a platform that's going in a direction that doesn't work for me. |
| 20:51.35 | johnx | GeneralAntilles: come to the dark side. We'll be supporting some pretty interesting hardware |
| 20:51.40 | lbt | You mean the next device doesn't work |
| 20:51.44 | johnx | s/dark/light/ |
| 20:51.46 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, I'm burnt out. |
| 20:51.55 | minra | i think maemo will have life on larger devices |
| 20:52.16 | kfx | 15:40 < johnx> GeneralAntilles: you're not the "core market" :) |
| 20:52.32 | kfx | there is no "core market" for a $700 pocket-sized linux tablet |
| 20:53.11 | minra | i say johnx old chap you wouldnt happen to have any more ui tweaks for exult? |
| 20:53.45 | lbt | GeneralAntilles: now I suggest : ask not what you can do for Maemo, but what Maemo can do for you... |
| 20:53.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | kfx, you mean it's like... all spread out? |
| 20:54.06 | Jaffa | lbt: :-) |
| 20:54.22 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: There's always some recoup to be made from device programmes & ebay. |
| 20:54.41 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, not much. |
| 20:54.47 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, sounds like a worthwhile blog post. |
| 20:54.47 | Jaffa | Though looking at the timescales at mobilecrunch, a European device programme in October (post-summit?) would not be fun |
| 20:55.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | johnx, ok, I never bothered with mplayer enough to know that... I just liked how well it worked on x86 and read a bit on the fights the authors picked with debian and others |
| 20:55.48 | GeneralAntilles | Let's home there's something in the RX-71 |
| 20:56.00 | kfx | I spend a looot of time picking fights with debian |
| 20:56.09 | johnx | minra: I never even played exult ... |
| 20:56.18 | kfx | about as much time as they spend patching software until it stops working |
| 20:56.23 | GeneralAntilles | If not, I suspect I'll be moving on. |
| 20:56.43 | johnx | GeneralAntilles: it'd be a shame to have you head off right when Mer is starting to come together |
| 20:57.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | kfx, hehe, well, they probably got good reasons to do so :) |
| 20:57.20 | minra | johnx sorry, nm |
| 20:57.50 | lbt | GeneralAntilles: and that's what I meant... Mer is using the maemo stuff (and contributing back!) |
| 20:58.00 | johnx | especially since the smartq 7 would fit a lot of people's wants/needs |
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| 20:58.19 | minra | maybe you should wait to try the n900 b4 judging it |
| 20:58.37 | GeneralAntilles | minra, 3.5" doesn't leave me with a lot of hope. |
| 20:58.42 | lbt | minra: sacrilige!! |
| 20:58.49 | GeneralAntilles | My two big use cases are basically torpedoed by that size. |
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| 20:58.56 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, SmartQ is slow. |
| 20:59.02 | kfx | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, they generally do: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=363516 |
| 20:59.04 | sanjay6976 | hi |
| 20:59.09 | GeneralAntilles | Cheap Chineses non-upgrade to my N800. |
| 20:59.11 | GeneralAntilles | sighs. |
| 20:59.11 | minra | i am typing in a 3.5 window now |
| 20:59.20 | johnx | GeneralAntilles: well, it's no cortex a8 to be sure, but it seems faster than the n8x0 |
| 20:59.38 | minra | left side is hildon menu bar. bottom side is the text assist |
| 20:59.59 | minra | which i cannot seem to turn off |
| 21:00.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | kfx, well, he asked upstream about that... |
| 21:00.24 | sanjay6976 | on installing Qt over maemo 4.1.2 my qmake is not working in ARMEL |
| 21:00.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | kfx, and got a "I dunno, but I guess it's ok" back and none of the guys who knew contradicted |
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| 21:01.31 | sanjay6976 | any idea |
| 21:01.34 | johnx | back in a sec |
| 21:01.34 | sanjay6976 | :) |
| 21:01.56 | lbt | sanjay6976: "not working"... blue smoke? |
| 21:02.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | kfx, and so he went ahead... what more do you expect of a maintainer? |
| 21:02.48 | kfx | CutMeOwnThroat: I expect him not to mess with things he doesn't understand |
| 21:03.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | kfx, that's why he asked before he messed with it... |
| 21:03.17 | kfx | ...and didn't get a reliable answer, and charged on |
| 21:03.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | a maintainer can't know the code as well as the authors |
| 21:03.32 | kfx | anyway that's one instance which represents the whole of the Debian Failosophy |
| 21:04.01 | kfx | my job got far easier when I moved critical services to slackware hosts |
| 21:04.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | kfx, he got an "ok" on a list that was read by all the people who should have known and none of them flinched... |
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| 21:04.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | kind of a peer-reviewed answer |
| 21:04.37 | kfx | I've spent the last week trying to figure out exactly how they wrecked grub so it fails on poweredge r805s, and the week before working out what they did to ocfs2 |
| 21:04.41 | sanjay6976 | lbt:: on running qmake it gives me "mmap: No such device or address' |
| 21:05.10 | kfx | CutMeOwnThroat: he got an "okay for debugging" response iirc, not a "ship that code" |
| 21:05.51 | lbt | ah... that's been on the ml recently |
| 21:06.07 | kfx | but still, if he has to ask, he's not qualified to make code changes, period |
| 21:06.17 | minra | flapping castles |
| 21:06.20 | mavhc | all problems are caused by lack of information dissemination |
| 21:06.55 | lbt | sanjay6976: and it was you asking... |
| 21:06.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | kfx, only someone how doesn't do anything doesn't make any mistakes - but then he doesn't improve anything either so if they get a 10:1 or 50:1 or 100:1 or even a 1000:1 or whatever rate of improvements:mistakes, there will always be mistakes... doesn't mean that the benefit isn't bigger |
| 21:07.06 | lbt | I'd guess the wrong qemu ? |
| 21:07.09 | sanjay6976 | yeah |
| 21:07.28 | kfx | revels in the benefit of a severely reduced pool of encrpytion keys |
| 21:07.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're childish |
| 21:07.46 | sanjay6976 | what should i set |
| 21:07.53 | sanjay6976 | qemu as |
| 21:08.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | *being |
| 21:08.18 | kfx | I do this crazy thing called regression testing, in a sandbox lab so my mistakes don't, for instance, get disseminated to every one of my users |
| 21:08.30 | sanjay6976 | this is my setting now "CPU-transparency: /scratchbox/devkits/cputransp/bin/qemu-arm-cvs-m" |
| 21:08.35 | mavhc | ssl was broken for years too |
| 21:08.47 | lbt | sanjay6976: sorry... I don't have that up at the moment |
| 21:09.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | and in that sandbox you'd have noticed that a newly created keys were compromised? |
| 21:09.27 | kfx | if I patch openssl, I spend days testing everything |
| 21:09.28 | sanjay6976 | does Qt 4.5 works on maemo 4.1.2 ARMEL |
| 21:09.47 | kfx | automated tests, of course, but I bet I would have picked up a huge reduction in entropy like that |
| 21:10.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | maybe you would, or you wouldn't |
| 21:10.22 | kfx | the Debian Way is a particularly sensitive issue for me, since it wouldn't be an exaggeration to say most of my job entails cleaning up after debian/ubuntu packagers |
| 21:10.46 | sanjay6976 | lbt::does Qt 4.5 works on maemo 4.1.2 ARMEL |
| 21:10.54 | lbt | it should |
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| 21:11.01 | lbt | I'm on Mer now :) |
| 21:11.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, so what do you suggest to improve that? |
| 21:11.34 | sanjay6976 | its doin fine on X86 on the same setup but not on ARMEL |
| 21:11.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | stop adding patches to fix bugs |
| 21:11.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 21:11.50 | kfx | yes, actually |
| 21:11.52 | kfx | exactly that |
| 21:11.56 | kfx | submit patches upstream |
| 21:12.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | then you can't have debian stable |
| 21:12.18 | kfx | but they don't just patch for bugs |
| 21:12.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you don't need a bugtracking system |
| 21:12.28 | timeless_mbp | CutMeOwnThroat: sounds like a good idea |
| 21:12.40 | kfx | they patch functionality, they patch configuration, they patch documentation, etc etc |
| 21:12.42 | timeless_mbp | you could work on testing products against shipped stuff |
| 21:12.47 | timeless_mbp | and report when there are problems |
| 21:12.57 | timeless_mbp | but if the newer released software works, you could make it available to your customers |
| 21:13.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | not to me, I like the stableness of stable |
| 21:13.01 | timeless_mbp | shrugs |
| 21:13.13 | timeless_mbp | well, i hope you enjoy 0 entropy |
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| 21:13.19 | timeless_mbp | because it's nice and stable |
| 21:13.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're also being stable |
| 21:13.26 | kfx | the stableness of stable is completely useless when you're running a big install |
| 21:13.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | errr |
| 21:13.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | childish |
| 21:13.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | see how mistakes happen :) |
| 21:13.45 | timeless_mbp | you didn't ask me for a review |
| 21:13.48 | timeless_mbp | not my fault |
| 21:13.57 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: is the string i flagged really in mer? |
| 21:14.33 | kfx | timeless_mbp: clearly anyone who disagrees with CutMeOwnThroat and/or debian packagers is just being childish |
| 21:14.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | and actually, afaik bugs do get forwarded to upstream, so do patches |
| 21:14.47 | kfx | obviously there is no other way to have a mature, reasoned opinion |
| 21:14.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | kfx, no, only people who don't use arguments but squibs like that |
| 21:15.02 | johnx | the entropy in this channel would be a nice pool to draw from ... |
| 21:15.09 | StsN800 | timeless, network manager |
| 21:15.10 | timeless_mbp | johnx: :) |
| 21:15.11 | kfx | johnx: it would save us having to wiggle mice |
| 21:15.18 | timeless_mbp | StsN800: hrm |
| 21:15.23 | kfx | I'm just going to start piping irclogs to generate keys |
| 21:15.38 | johnx | I'll do a NMU for ssl/ssh right now then :D |
| 21:15.40 | johnx | ducks |
| 21:15.43 | kfx | hahah |
| 21:15.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean, everytime you run out of real arguments you come up with some joke about that entropy bug... with WAS a kind of worst-case |
| 21:16.11 | timeless_mbp | well, i sure hope that wasn't the best case! |
| 21:16.14 | StsN800 | timeless_mbp, but it got cut off oddly in mer 0.6 |
| 21:16.31 | timeless_mbp | StsN800: it ended a sentence with a preposition |
| 21:16.34 | minra | i see a gay allah/santa riding a translucent green hemp bicycle at 40,000 feet spraying anthrax out of his nipples |
| 21:16.45 | minra | more entropy |
| 21:17.02 | kfx | I haven't run out of any real arguments ?:( |
| 21:17.21 | kfx | 1) debian patches things they don't need to patch |
| 21:17.24 | kfx | 2) they should stop |
| 21:17.37 | minra | kfx has a point |
| 21:17.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah? where is it? |
| 21:18.08 | minra | some of that is just graffitti |
| 21:18.09 | kfx | 3) there are ways to create stable environments without adding functionality to calendar(1) |
| 21:18.36 | timeless_mbp | kfx: wtf? |
| 21:18.37 | GeneralAntilles | The only reasonable solution is for us to all run abacuses. |
| 21:18.51 | kfx | 4) debian has a terrible, horrible, no-good, very-bad testing apparatus that doesn't take into account many, many variables |
| 21:19.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's called "sid", I think |
| 21:19.24 | mavhc | what are these ways? |
| 21:19.27 | minra | sidux.com debian hot and spicy |
| 21:19.38 | sanjay6976 | any idea of my problem |
| 21:20.14 | timeless_mbp | sanjay6976: most of us don't spend gobs of time using qt4.5 on armel |
| 21:20.46 | sanjay6976 | k |
| 21:21.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | obviously, if nobody felt the patches aren't needed, the things would never get patched |
| 21:21.45 | timeless_mbp | CutMeOwnThroat: can you try to avoid using negatives? |
| 21:21.50 | timeless_mbp | you're doing a terrible job |
| 21:21.51 | kfx | I can't parse that sentence |
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| 21:22.03 | kfx | but I think you're saying the patches they apply are seen as necessary |
| 21:22.19 | mavhc | what are these ways to create stable environments without adding functionality to calendar(1)? |
| 21:22.29 | kfx | in that case I refer you to calendar(1), which isn't even the most bizarre mangling I've seen debian do |
| 21:22.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | kfx, time to patch your parser :-P |
| 21:22.41 | kfx | mavhc: slackware, for one example, does quite nicely |
| 21:22.59 | mavhc | how does it differ? |
| 21:23.15 | kfx | apt-get --purge remove brain && apt-get update && apt-get install brain |
| 21:23.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | ouch, that must have hurt |
| 21:23.45 | kfx | CutMeOwnThroat: I was in the army; I'm used to that procedure |
| 21:24.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | kfx, I noticed your discussing style :-P |
| 21:24.31 | kfx | mavhc: once a distro version is released, only security updates are applied. Patches etc that come out later (the equiv. of -updates and -backports) are placed in /patches, and must be explicitly specified |
| 21:24.59 | kfx | the most invasive patches you'll see from slackware involve symlinks for compatibility and one to set the default x11 background to black instead of stippled grey |
| 21:25.26 | Corsac | but slackware sucks anyway :) |
| 21:25.34 | kfx | touche |
| 21:25.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 21:25.40 | mavhc | the other question is: who's forcing you to use debian? |
| 21:25.44 | kfx | however, it sucks less than debian |
| 21:25.50 | timeless_mbp | mavhc: so... |
| 21:25.58 | timeless_mbp | the fact that debian manages to hurt the rest of the world |
| 21:26.04 | kfx | mavhc: I made the terrible mistake of allowing the faculty at the school I work for to select a distro |
| 21:26.08 | timeless_mbp | is precisely why it isn't simply sufficient to ignore it |
| 21:26.45 | kfx | all the vms are hosted by slackware installs, but everything they actually interact with is either debian or ubuntu |
| 21:26.48 | mavhc | after I paid all that licencing money to debian I can't switch now |
| 21:27.03 | johnx | s/#maemo/#distroflamewar/ :) |
| 21:27.03 | timeless_mbp | mavhc: after someone contributed a stupid patch to debian |
| 21:27.09 | timeless_mbp | i lost a portion of my keyspace |
| 21:27.19 | timeless_mbp | the contribution was free, the cost was priceless |
| 21:27.28 | mavhc | so switch |
| 21:27.41 | kfx | mavhc: no, none of those keys are safe for anyone at all to use now |
| 21:27.42 | timeless_mbp | the only way to switch is to remove debian from the planet |
| 21:27.48 | rm_you | or remove the patch, recompile the app, and move on |
| 21:27.55 | timeless_mbp | rm_you: that doesn't work |
| 21:28.01 | rm_you | oh, right |
| 21:28.07 | rm_you | you're talking about, ssh key fiasco? |
| 21:28.07 | timeless_mbp | worse, everyone else has to install extra code to detect this broken bits |
| 21:28.11 | kfx | yeah |
| 21:28.17 | rm_you | bleh |
| 21:28.22 | timeless_mbp | it's an explanation of why it isn't safe to ignore stupid distros |
| 21:28.27 | mavhc | if you kill every OS with a security flaw you'll be left flipping switches on a pdp-11 |
| 21:28.28 | timeless_mbp | because they really can hurt *everyone* |
| 21:28.40 | mavhc | you're ignoring windows |
| 21:28.43 | timeless_mbp | not really |
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| 21:28.47 | timeless_mbp | i'm running windows |
| 21:28.50 | Corsac | at the moment, you're hurting *us*, so please, give us a break |
| 21:29.06 | timeless_mbp | StsN800: so... |
| 21:29.13 | timeless_mbp | Missing resources |
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| 21:29.20 | mavhc | windows causes much bigger problems, 50 million zombie computers for a start |
| 21:29.21 | timeless_mbp | (-) The NetworkManager applet could not find some |
| 21:29.24 | rm_you | qwerty12_N800: finally applied one of your patches |
| 21:29.29 | timeless_mbp | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:29.45 | qwerty12_N800 | rm_you, yep, got an email :) |
| 21:29.52 | rm_you | :P |
| 21:29.59 | rm_you | not sure about the other, honestly |
| 21:30.07 | rm_you | i mean, the code is super-useful for later, thanks |
| 21:30.13 | rm_you | not sure i want to do it now tho :p |
| 21:30.18 | kfx | http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/red-herring.html |
| 21:30.49 | qwerty12_N800 | rm_you, I'll be awaiting your cpl applet :P :) |
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| 21:31.30 | timeless_mbp | what's the current Mer apt thingy? |
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| 21:31.50 | timeless_mbp | i'm using repository.mer.tspre.org alpha |
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| 21:34.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | kfx, pm? |
| 21:34.24 | timeless_mbp | pokes StsN800 |
| 21:35.17 | StsN800 | timeless, we switched to obs so 0.13 from scratch upgrade is needed :/ |
| 21:35.25 | timeless_mbp | "obs"? |
| 21:35.58 | StsN800 | opensuse build service |
| 21:36.08 | timeless_mbp | ok, url me? |
| 21:36.16 | keesj | StsN800: are you at least trying to be CO2 neutral? |
| 21:36.25 | johnx | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build |
| 21:36.41 | johnx | or http://en.opensuse.org/Build_Service |
| 21:40.35 | timeless_mbp | kicks BBC for writing "busines" |
| 21:40.48 | timeless_mbp | johnx: i don't care about obs, i want a working version of mer |
| 21:40.59 | timeless_mbp | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases |
| 21:41.05 | StsN800 | timeless, wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.13 |
| 21:41.43 | timeless_mbp | i want http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/0.13/mer-x86-generic-image-v0.13.vmdk.zip ? |
| 21:41.49 | StsN800 | yep |
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| 21:42.54 | minra | should users switch to mer? if so, why? |
| 21:43.33 | timeless_mbp | minra: because it will get software updates |
| 21:43.57 | mavhc | if so, when? |
| 21:44.02 | kkrusty | what is mer? |
| 21:44.22 | Jaffa | kkrusty: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer |
| 21:44.48 | Jaffa | kkrusty: A community-developed Linux distribution based on the best bits of Maemo (incl. Maemo 5) and Ubuntu |
| 21:45.44 | kkrusty | Jaffa: right. but aside from encouraging stuff what else does it accomplish? |
| 21:46.15 | timeless_mbp | kkrusty: it'll have bug fixes |
| 21:46.18 | minra | actively developed software |
| 21:46.27 | timeless_mbp | in practice, you will not find that in Diablo |
| 21:47.06 | Jaffa | kkrusty: If you want any bits of Maemo 5 on an existing device, Mer is your best bet. |
| 21:47.17 | kkrusty | and its out? |
| 21:47.25 | Jaffa | IOW, it's the last best hope for people who like Internet Tablets :-/ |
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| 21:47.51 | kkrusty | Jaffa: no kidding. Im actually considering a netbook now |
| 21:48.03 | Jaffa | kkrusty: Mer? It's at 0.13 so probably not ready yet for *very* end-users, but it's a non-destructive install and new releases every 4 weeks. |
| 21:48.18 | kkrusty | Jaffa: cool |
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| 22:04.04 | timeless_mbp | how do i mount a hard drive in Mer? |
| 22:04.19 | lcuk | how do you install a harddrive into your tablet? |
| 22:04.32 | timeless_mbp | VirtualBox Media Manager |
| 22:04.45 | qwerty12_N800 | usb host & enclosure? :> |
| 22:04.46 | lcuk | heh ahhh images. i dunno then |
| 22:04.48 | timeless_mbp | it's actually drag and drop capable |
| 22:05.10 | lcuk | empties sand onto the chanfloor |
| 22:05.16 | timeless_mbp | mount /dev/sdb1 /media/old |
| 22:05.17 | timeless_mbp | worked |
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| 22:07.06 | lcuk | cool |
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| 22:09.29 | GeneralAntilles | sighs again. |
| 22:10.04 | kfx | CutMeOwnThroat: pm me any time |
| 22:10.40 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I'd recommend just lifting the S60 5th finger keyboard wholesale. |
| 22:10.49 | GeneralAntilles | The virtual arrow buttons work really well. |
| 22:12.04 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: so, i have two XTerminal windows |
| 22:12.09 | timeless_mbp | in mer0.13 |
| 22:12.14 | timeless_mbp | if i click on the xterm icon at the top |
| 22:12.24 | timeless_mbp | i get a menu that appears under my "finger" |
| 22:12.47 | timeless_mbp | if i click the perl then i get a menu that appears safely not under my "finger" |
| 22:13.02 | timeless_mbp | frowns |
| 22:14.34 | johnx | timeless_mbp: yup, appears to be problem with placement in the icon menu placement. seeing it here too |
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| 22:17.02 | lardman|tv | night all |
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| 22:22.16 | Macer | :) |
| 22:22.23 | Macer | just finished downloading like 40 more wii games |
| 22:22.23 | Macer | lol |
| 22:23.04 | mavhc | first person to turn their n900 into a wii controller wins |
| 22:23.40 | Bobbe | lol |
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| 22:24.03 | mavhc | has anyone considered connecting these usb monitors to a tablet, now there are linux drivers? |
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| 22:24.34 | lcuk | pvanhoof, you around |
| 22:24.44 | Jaffa | mavhc: It's been mentioned somewhere, I believe. |
| 22:24.49 | Jaffa | Perhaps in the USB VGA thread on tmo? |
| 22:24.56 | qwerty12_N800 | Macer, bah, i've only done 4 :/ |
| 22:25.40 | acydlord | you guys seen this yet? http://www.cellpassion.com/news/2009/05/25/nokia-rover-is-an-n97-killer-internet-tablet.aspx |
| 22:25.57 | lcuk | mavhc, its more than just sending out the accel data surely |
| 22:26.40 | johnx | acydlord: yup, it's been the topic for the last day or so :) |
| 22:26.53 | johnx | mobilecrunch had the scoop yesterday it looks like |
| 22:26.59 | acydlord | ahh |
| 22:27.09 | pvanhoof | lcuk, yes |
| 22:27.18 | acydlord | too bad i'm not gonna be in the financial situation to afford a new NIT for awhile :( |
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| 22:28.59 | Bobbe | acydlord, there's a huge thread on itt on it. It seems the smaller screen made was quite depressing for a lot of people |
| 22:29.23 | acydlord | i havent checked itt in awhile, i should probably catch up |
| 22:30.29 | Macer | qwerty12_N800: 4? |
| 22:30.37 | Macer | wii games? :) |
| 22:30.46 | Macer | i've gone on a wii game binge |
| 22:30.47 | Macer | lol |
| 22:30.54 | qwerty12_N800 | Macer, yep. My connection is shit :p |
| 22:31.13 | Bobbe | Macer, have you seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SXNAtwYMBw |
| 22:31.33 | rm_you | johnx: add_poi about done, starting on get_poi, going to dump an XML thing for you, that sound good? or would you rather just have CSV? |
| 22:32.03 | johnx | rm_you: are you using the jabber xml thing? |
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| 22:32.11 | rm_you | johnx: still just my DB for now |
| 22:32.12 | johnx | otherwise you might as well just use csv |
| 22:32.15 | rm_you | i don't know how jabber works |
| 22:32.27 | Macer | hahahahah |
| 22:32.32 | johnx | rm_you: it's just a format thing. I don't care about the jabber protocol |
| 22:32.33 | rm_you | dunno which is easier for you to parse through |
| 22:32.42 | rm_you | do you have a link to the RFC? |
| 22:32.56 | Macer | suckend life! hahahah |
| 22:33.03 | johnx | http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0080.html |
| 22:33.08 | rm_you | thx |
| 22:33.20 | Bobbe | lol |
| 22:33.36 | Macer | Bobbe: oh man that crap was funny |
| 22:33.37 | rm_you | johnx: ok i can prolly do this... of course we will be ignoring many fields |
| 22:33.40 | johnx | basically it's just a matter with lining up to their terms or having terms/variables that are synomnyms for one of theirs |
| 22:33.45 | johnx | of course |
| 22:33.49 | Bobbe | Macer, lmao every time I see it |
| 22:34.05 | rm_you | lat/lon/alt |
| 22:34.08 | rm_you | we're good |
| 22:34.16 | Bobbe | Macer, the part the girl swallows just kills me |
| 22:34.16 | lcuk | time |
| 22:34.17 | Macer | Bobbe: yeah that was pretty good :) |
| 22:34.19 | rm_you | and text / timestamp |
| 22:34.25 | rm_you | yes lcuk :P |
| 22:34.37 | rm_you | and uri for image? |
| 22:34.47 | rm_you | oh, not text... description |
| 22:34.58 | rm_you | but yeah, k. |
| 22:35.29 | rm_you | anyone know about XML spec, if i can just leave out those fields and have it be compatible, or do i have to make them and have them blank? |
| 22:35.39 | rm_you | the fields i don't use |
| 22:35.41 | johnx | yup, should line up with using jabber as a data source or sink in the future |
| 22:35.43 | Macer | Bobbe: yeah :-D |
| 22:35.51 | rm_you | kk will do that out |
| 22:36.03 | johnx | rm_you: there are examples on the page I linked |
| 22:36.11 | acydlord | my girlfriend managed to halt production of my geolocation project of 3 years :( |
| 22:36.21 | acydlord | at least till i can afford a new gps unit |
| 22:36.26 | lcuk | what, she found you? |
| 22:36.26 | rm_you | johnx: oh ok will read more, i just went straight to the data spec |
| 22:36.31 | rm_you | ROFL |
| 22:36.44 | rm_you | oh, she break your gps? :P |
| 22:36.50 | johnx | rm_you: 4.1 Entity publishes location via PEP |
| 22:36.53 | lcuk | she ran away with it |
| 22:36.55 | lcuk | and hid it |
| 22:37.03 | acydlord | she broke one of them |
| 22:37.12 | acydlord | and the other fell in the lake |
| 22:37.16 | rm_you | ack |
| 22:37.21 | lcuk | at least you know where the lake is |
| 22:38.29 | acydlord | yes, and i also now know that the part of the lake it fell in is 160ft deep |
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| 22:39.01 | rm_you | lol |
| 22:39.10 | lcuk | see, altitude is important |
| 22:39.16 | rm_you | i suppose renting scuba gear is more expensive than the GPS unit :P |
| 22:39.16 | lcuk | just make sure it can do -ve values |
| 22:40.09 | acydlord | brb |
| 22:40.10 | lcuk | acydlord, without gps local folks would just say "aye, tis a bottomless pit" now thanks to your clever work, you know its 160ft deep |
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| 22:41.13 | Bobbe | lol |
| 22:41.24 | Bobbe | that's sure to make him feel better lcuk |
| 22:41.39 | Bobbe | acydlord, how much to get a new gps? |
| 22:42.04 | acydlord | i think 80 for the better of the units i had |
| 22:42.04 | lcuk | lol |
| 22:42.21 | lcuk | maybe spend a bit more and get an inflatable unbreakable one ;) |
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| 22:43.18 | Bobbe | it's not that much, is it? I mean i live in Brazil, have no idea how much is expensive for a gps unit |
| 22:43.23 | acydlord | i'm gonna get a couple otter boxes |
| 22:43.30 | acydlord | nah, 80 isnt bad |
| 22:44.02 | Bobbe | yeap, especially depending on how willing your gf is willing to make up to ya |
| 22:44.12 | Bobbe | might actually be worth the replacemente/bother |
| 22:44.15 | acydlord | haha, she has no job at the moment |
| 22:44.30 | Bobbe | I didn't mean money man. Work with me here ;) |
| 22:44.36 | acydlord | i'm gonna see if ASU will tack another one onto my research project |
| 22:44.50 | acydlord | since they funded me for the purchase of about 300 routers =x |
| 22:45.07 | Bobbe | woah. Why did you need 300 routers? |
| 22:45.25 | rm_you | probably for some heavy duty routing :) |
| 22:45.43 | Bobbe | you don't saaaaaaaaay lol |
| 22:46.14 | Bobbe | http://www.amazon.com/Sony-PEG-UX50-U-Clie-Handheld/dp/B0000AQFZ9 -> how bizarre must it be to type on one of those |
| 22:46.53 | johnx | I think I got to hold one at one point |
| 22:46.57 | johnx | it's only marginally weird |
| 22:46.58 | acydlord | building a giant wireless mesh with solar routers |
| 22:46.59 | Jaffa | sold his UX50 Clie a month or so ago |
| 22:47.22 | Jaffa | My only PalmOS device. No multitasking: major suckage. Regular crashing: major suckage. |
| 22:47.29 | Jaffa | Nice small form factor, though |
| 22:47.44 | Bobbe | this guy was running mac os 10 on it. Freaking FAST |
| 22:47.48 | rm_you | acydlord: you somewhere that actually gets sun, i hope? :P |
| 22:47.55 | acydlord | yeah, arizona |
| 22:48.03 | rm_you | :P |
| 22:48.18 | Bobbe | yeap, sun enough there |
| 22:48.35 | acydlord | yup, which is why we have one of the worlds largest solar test facilities |
| 22:48.37 | johnx | Bobbe: different sony handheld :) |
| 22:48.45 | rm_you | sounds like a cool project then. how much does a solar powered router run you? $$$ |
| 22:48.49 | mavhc | odd that noone's yet asked why your gf hid your gps |
| 22:49.09 | johnx | probably a vaio ux50, not a PEG-UX50 |
| 22:49.11 | acydlord | she broke it |
| 22:49.14 | acydlord | ran it over |
| 22:49.16 | Bobbe | johnx, is there more than one model with the same number? |
| 22:49.21 | acydlord | and the other i dropped in the lake |
| 22:49.27 | Bobbe | ah, ok |
| 22:49.59 | johnx | that PEG-UX50 probably wouldn't really run linux |
| 22:50.09 | johnx | let alone mac os x |
| 22:50.17 | Bobbe | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weo6fBdDqWs&e |
| 22:50.22 | Bobbe | indeed, a different model |
| 22:51.04 | Bobbe | looks a lot cooler, though the kb keys are like 10% of my finger size, probably |
| 22:51.31 | johnx | haha, i like all the cuts in the video as he boots |
| 22:51.38 | Bobbe | yeap |
| 22:52.03 | Bobbe | and the apple MAGICALLY APPEARS! lol |
| 22:53.47 | Bobbe | acydlord, sorry to insist, but how did she run over your gps? It just happened to be on the garage floor? |
| 22:54.25 | acydlord | probably fell out of the car, its one of the small units you pair to a computer or what have you |
| 22:55.41 | Bobbe | ouch |
| 22:56.12 | Bobbe | too bad man |
| 22:58.21 | acydlord | indeed |
| 22:58.53 | Macer | hm |
| 23:03.22 | GAN8001 | We just gotta co-opt maemo.org away from Nokia for Mer. |
| 23:03.55 | *** join/#maemo Ryback_ (n=ulisses@enlightenment/developer/ryback) |
| 23:03.58 | johnx | GAN8001: maemo.org is controlled by the community |
| 23:04.03 | Macer | sound the trumpets |
| 23:04.06 | *** part/#maemo FilipLinux4BE (n=filip@77.109.122.141) |
| 23:04.35 | johnx | anyways, if the majority of the info on maemo.org is about mer stuff it will just kind of happen on its own |
| 23:04.46 | GAN8001 | johnx, right, which is why we're migrating it all to Mer. ;) |
| 23:04.47 | johnx | until that point, maemo has a place I think :) |
| 23:05.14 | johnx | eventually, instead of wiki.maemo.org/Mer we'll have wiki.maemo.org/oldMaemo :) |
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| 23:05.34 | GAN8001 | I wish Nokia would just make a goddamn announcement already. |
| 23:05.49 | GAN8001 | I'm tired of changing my device expectations with each new tidbit. |
| 23:05.55 | GAN8001 | I want it settled one way or the other. |
| 23:06.10 | Macer | wow. there really aren't that many good movies are there? |
| 23:06.20 | Bobbe | lol |
| 23:06.38 | Macer | i think i have like 50 movies.. and i've been lookign for something good and they all suck |
| 23:06.45 | Bobbe | GAN8001, it feels they're just as confused as us |
| 23:06.50 | lcuk | why dont you try getting movies from the 50s |
| 23:06.54 | GAN8001 | Macer, nah, you're just looking in the wrong place. |
| 23:07.02 | Macer | GAN8001: the wrong place? :) |
| 23:07.15 | GAN8001 | Macer, i.e., genre, time period, whatever. |
| 23:07.18 | Bobbe | Macer, name your top 3 kick-assest movies ever |
| 23:07.38 | Macer | hm. fight club. snatch. 5th element |
| 23:07.46 | mavhc | people who hated this movie might also hate... |
| 23:07.48 | Bobbe | 5th element? |
| 23:07.58 | GAN8001 | Seen 12 Angry Men? |
| 23:07.58 | Macer | oh yeah. i love 5th element :) |
| 23:07.58 | Bobbe | lol mavhc |
| 23:08.25 | Bobbe | Snatch and Fight Club are in my top three too |
| 23:08.26 | mavhc | he likes movies with numbers in the title? |
| 23:08.39 | mavhc | lock stock good, snatch boring |
| 23:08.47 | Macer | snatch was probably the most funny thing i have every seen |
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| 23:08.58 | Macer | those 3 black dudes had me in tears |
| 23:09.09 | Bobbe | the fatzo guy who saves their asses all the time |
| 23:09.12 | Bobbe | "bets" |
| 23:09.13 | Bobbe | "are" |
| 23:09.15 | Bobbe | "off" |
| 23:09.16 | Macer | lock stock was boring :) |
| 23:09.19 | mavhc | maybe I just watched it when I was asleep, because it sent me to sleep |
| 23:09.20 | Macer | Bobbe: yah :-D |
| 23:09.23 | Macer | that was probably the best part |
| 23:09.32 | qwerty12_N800 | the fat one trying to get in the car... |
| 23:09.33 | GAN8001 | Macer, how about L4yer Cake? |
| 23:09.35 | Macer | where she takes his gun and shoots at him then sticks him in the security gate |
| 23:09.42 | Macer | GAN8001: never saw it |
| 23:09.45 | Bobbe | lol |
| 23:09.46 | GAN8001 | Do so. |
| 23:10.01 | Macer | only good part on lock stock was the part where the girl on the couch comes out of nowhere and just starts letting loose with the machine gun |
| 23:10.14 | johnx | chocolate was good. only thing I've seen recently |
| 23:10.21 | Bobbe | I wanna watch cgi-loaded films which will add absolutely NOTHING to my life |
| 23:10.27 | Bobbe | like the transformers sequel or something |
| 23:10.37 | lcuk | terminator looks good |
| 23:10.43 | Bobbe | yeap |
| 23:10.53 | Macer | Bobbe: i thought that was the latest rambo movie |
| 23:11.04 | Bobbe | Macer, lol |
| 23:11.13 | Macer | the last rambo movie was good. same mindless killing and lies from 2 and 3 |
| 23:11.21 | Bobbe | how old is stallone now? 75? |
| 23:11.23 | Macer | like when john j gets hit with a bullet while killing hundreds |
| 23:11.28 | Macer | and just jumps right back up :) |
| 23:11.40 | Macer | i don't think hollywood understands how much getting shot hurts |
| 23:11.46 | Bobbe | dude |
| 23:12.07 | Bobbe | there's this movie where the guy has a bullet hole and cauterizes it by BURNING POWDER ON IT. |
| 23:12.10 | Bobbe | He goes like 'ungh' |
| 23:12.16 | Macer | hell yeah haha |
| 23:12.16 | Bobbe | and keeps going |
| 23:12.32 | Macer | the best part of rambo was when he crawls through the mind field stabbing at the ground with his rambo k-bar |
| 23:12.37 | Macer | and rips a land mine right up out the ground |
| 23:12.38 | Macer | hahaha |
| 23:12.50 | Bobbe | lmao |
| 23:13.02 | Bobbe | man that's nothing |
| 23:13.03 | Macer | omg i was crying .. we were watching that in iraq and couldn't stop laughing |
| 23:13.41 | Bobbe | hey, one thing I always wanted to know |
| 23:13.42 | Macer | or when the reservists don't want to go into the cave and were like "Screw that bob.. i just do this on the weekends!" |
| 23:13.57 | Jaffa | Right, sleep time. |
| 23:13.59 | Bobbe | the farenheit 9/11 thing where you guys hear bloodhound gang through your helmets. that true? |
| 23:14.00 | Jaffa | tmo is a time sink |
| 23:14.04 | GeneralAntilles | Shit hole |
| 23:14.18 | Macer | Bobbe: uhm. what helmets? |
| 23:14.19 | Macer | :) |
| 23:14.33 | Jaffa | Although, all the Rover threads have made the community self-destruction threads fade in my mind :) |
| 23:14.35 | lcuk | jaffa +irc |
| 23:15.02 | Macer | i don't know. haven't seen the movie in a long time.. but when i flew on helos and military planes i didn't have a helmet |
| 23:15.04 | Bobbe | he says that soldiers had audio streamed to their helmets through the tank or sth, playing music while they fought |
| 23:15.10 | Jaffa | lcuk: IRC's more ignorable - once a tab goes bold, it stays bold (until it goes red & bold). tmo email notifications keep drawing me back in |
| 23:15.11 | Macer | hahaha! |
| 23:15.16 | Macer | maybe the army did :) |
| 23:15.18 | Macer | i was in the USMC |
| 23:15.25 | Bobbe | what's usmc? |
| 23:15.27 | Macer | and i know we didn't have streaming audio haha |
| 23:15.31 | jaska | united states muppet corps |
| 23:15.32 | kfx | Macer: did I just hear you imply you don't wear your k-pot on patrol |
| 23:15.36 | lcuk | jaffa, i have gmail and keep the browser closed unless i want stuffs |
| 23:15.36 | kfx | this is going in your aar mister |
| 23:15.37 | Macer | Marine Corps |
| 23:15.42 | Macer | jaska: haha |
| 23:15.43 | lcuk | none of this bug me whilst i work |
| 23:15.48 | Bobbe | lol |
| 23:15.49 | kkrusty | Macer: whats the difference? |
| 23:15.50 | lcuk | apart from irc flashes annoyingly |
| 23:15.51 | Macer | quiet you with your communist propaganda |
| 23:16.01 | Bobbe | I just pictures Miss Piggy raging war in Iraq |
| 23:16.04 | Bobbe | *pictured |
| 23:16.04 | Macer | kkrusty: the army is weaker :) |
| 23:16.08 | lcuk | but if it doesnt flash people and conversations are missed |
| 23:16.10 | Macer | lol |
| 23:16.20 | kfx | kkrusty: the marines are more delusional |
| 23:16.32 | Macer | lol... kfx maybe.. but the army was horrible |
| 23:16.47 | kfx | already took part in a distro war in #maemo today; next up: military in-fighting |
| 23:16.53 | Macer | i was watching army recruits at ft gordan one day and it was like.. wtf? |
| 23:16.58 | kfx | Macer: I was a cav scout for a long time :) |
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| 23:17.05 | kfx | dude, ft gordon is signal crap |
| 23:17.06 | Macer | the drill sgt took them to chow.. and gave them 45 mins to eat? |
| 23:17.07 | Macer | wtf? |
| 23:17.13 | jaska | i bet the locals would like fighting a pig (ms. piggy) |
| 23:17.17 | kfx | ---> signal corps <--- |
| 23:17.23 | Macer | kfx: i know. i had to go there to train on sat comm :) |
| 23:17.32 | Bobbe | and lose, since they would probably send a suicide bomber to kill the pig |
| 23:17.41 | kfx | you are on a base full of skinny soldiers with huge glasses and no-running profiles |
| 23:17.41 | Macer | which was awesome because the first time in iraq i got to hang out at al asad |
| 23:17.45 | Bobbe | there are more pigs than suicide bombers in the world, I guess |
| 23:17.47 | Macer | lol! |
| 23:17.51 | Macer | well. that explains it |
| 23:17.58 | Macer | they couldn't drill that well either |
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| 23:18.02 | kfx | no, they can't |
| 23:18.12 | kfx | the army tries really hard to baby the tech guys |
| 23:18.19 | Macer | 2nd time i got attached to the meu. then to a grunt unit.. and was running around dodging shit with a radio on my back |
| 23:18.20 | kfx | because otherwise the tech guys would all join the air force |
| 23:18.22 | Macer | wow did that suck :) |
| 23:18.34 | kfx | <3 his bradley |
| 23:18.37 | Macer | why is it they can't come up with something that doesn't have a 20ft antenna? |
| 23:18.40 | Macer | kfx: ! |
| 23:18.45 | Macer | i rode in one |
| 23:18.51 | kfx | *plink* *plink* aw, are they shooting at us again? |
| 23:18.59 | kfx | *wham* no, they're done now |
| 23:19.01 | Macer | some army cats gave us a ride into ramadi |
| 23:19.16 | Macer | the damn back of it was horrible |
| 23:19.20 | Macer | i'm 6'3 |
| 23:19.24 | kfx | welcome to the club |
| 23:19.27 | kfx | I'm 6'5" |
| 23:19.28 | Macer | so i had to keep my neck to the side the entire time haha |
| 23:19.31 | kfx | the whole thing is horrible |
| 23:19.42 | Macer | because the ceiling was like... so damn low |
| 23:19.46 | kfx | until you realize that outside the wire, a giant armored box isn't a bad place to be |
| 23:19.58 | Macer | kfx: depends on what you roll over |
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| 23:20.09 | Macer | i loved the army had that ied thing that used to roll around getting blasted |
| 23:20.16 | kfx | when I drove them I had to take a plasma cutter to the seat and "fix" it so I could fit |
| 23:20.23 | Macer | one guy got hit like 10 times in 1 night hahah |
| 23:20.30 | kfx | Macer: which one? the giant chainwhip thing? |
| 23:20.41 | Macer | it looked more like a digger |
| 23:20.53 | kfx | oh ok |
| 23:20.56 | Macer | it had some attachment on the front of it that would get blown up |
| 23:21.03 | kfx | yeah those make better minesweepers than the five-ton trucks |
| 23:21.06 | Macer | over and over :) it was funny |
| 23:21.23 | Macer | the guy would get hit.. then just kind of keep on rolling haha |
| 23:21.30 | kfx | let me tell you |
| 23:21.40 | Macer | ramadi was pretty bad |
| 23:21.45 | kfx | the guys who drive those are either article 15 cases or else very weird people |
| 23:21.51 | Macer | hahaha |
| 23:21.54 | Macer | i'd hope so |
| 23:21.59 | kfx | one of the guys in my bradley unit voluntarily transferred to drive one of those things |
| 23:21.59 | Macer | anybody in eod has to be nuts |
| 23:22.08 | kfx | he was a profoundly strange individual |
| 23:22.29 | kfx | I never went to iraq; I hung out in kabul mostly |
| 23:22.43 | Macer | we had a guy on the roof manning a 50cal and we set up a sandbag post with some half broken balistic glass in front of it |
| 23:22.49 | kfx | hahahah |
| 23:22.50 | Macer | and the guy took a shot right in front of his face :) |
| 23:22.52 | Macer | hahahha |
| 23:23.06 | Macer | i mean like the glass spidered right in front of his forehead hhahaa |
| 23:23.11 | kfx | lmao |
| 23:23.23 | Macer | i told him i would be on the 5th page of the thank you letter to the company that makes the glass :) |
| 23:23.25 | kfx | "congratulations on living now go guard the gate" |
| 23:23.55 | Macer | we were fucking with him pretty bad after that because he started tracing an entire building trying to get the guy with a 50 cal |
| 23:24.11 | kfx | ahahahahah |
| 23:24.14 | Macer | i don't think he understood those rounds were probably going through 3 city blocks |
| 23:24.17 | Macer | :) |
| 23:24.20 | Macer | hahaha |
| 23:24.47 | Macer | and you know how a 50 cal sounds like a damn grenade going off when you're enclosed in a building |
| 23:25.09 | kfx | you'd think that'd be enough to get someone to stop him from wailing on it |
| 23:25.10 | Bobbe | how many ppl are still in iraq now? |
| 23:25.14 | Macer | so we were all in there half deaf.. and in between pauses he would scream "i could see him!" bam bam bam |
| 23:25.19 | Macer | "there he is" bam bam bam |
| 23:25.20 | Macer | hahahah |
| 23:25.22 | kfx | aaahahahahah |
| 23:25.43 | Macer | i mean it sucked at the time but afterwards it was pretty funny :) |
| 23:26.06 | Macer | i asked him if he saw the flash of white light telling him it wasn't his time |
| 23:26.22 | kfx | couldn't see it through the muzzle flash |
| 23:26.34 | Macer | damn we were just wrong :) |
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| 23:26.50 | amr | we need a spotify client! :D |
| 23:26.58 | Macer | we had to go house sweeping one night and some dude tried to shoot the door open with a shotgun and before i got a chance to tell him it was too late. |
| 23:27.03 | Macer | he shrapneled his own foot :) |
| 23:27.10 | kfx | XD |
| 23:27.35 | kfx | there was some reservist on gate guard at camp phoenix with no magazine in his rifle |
| 23:27.52 | Macer | lol |
| 23:28.01 | kfx | my xo hired three locals to rush the guy and take his weapon |
| 23:28.12 | Macer | HAHHAHA!! |
| 23:28.21 | Macer | that's just wrong :) |
| 23:28.34 | kfx | one of them brought the rifle back to the lieutenant and the other two just sat on the reservist until we got there |
| 23:28.35 | Macer | one night we had to house sweep and came across a house with a huge steel door on it |
| 23:29.05 | Macer | we knocked.. tried to bust it open. tried shooting it open.. and it wouldn't budge and the fuckers wouldn't answer.. so we blew it up and this woman got totally shrapneled |
| 23:29.33 | Macer | the funny part was that we couldn't get a medevac for her because there were ieds everywhere so 3 fuckers had to carry her and she was a whale |
| 23:29.47 | Macer | my buddy was the guy that films stuff.. the cameraman |
| 23:29.50 | kfx | ouch |
| 23:29.57 | lcuk | :S |
| 23:30.01 | Macer | so they're carrying her for a whole click |
| 23:30.09 | Macer | while he's filming and then they all bust out laughing |
| 23:30.13 | Macer | "damn dude. you dropped her" |
| 23:30.35 | Macer | amazing what you find funny in iraq |
| 23:30.41 | Bobbe | lmao |
| 23:31.02 | Bobbe | I know it's wrong, but I find that perfectly amusing meself ;P |
| 23:31.04 | Macer | i used to love it when the new guys would come in... and they were so scary |
| 23:31.21 | Macer | and they got hit with rockets and we're just sitting around eating ramen noodles while they're running around like the world was ending |
| 23:31.25 | kfx | you can tell the new guys because they scramble when they hear mortars |
| 23:31.27 | Bobbe | Macer, how did u guys communicate with the locals? |
| 23:31.31 | Macer | kfx: yeah hahaha |
| 23:31.47 | Macer | kfx: ever see someone jump under the plastic chow hall table? |
| 23:31.51 | Macer | :) |
| 23:31.52 | kfx | Bobbe: dunno about iraq but we had native interpreters |
| 23:31.58 | kfx | Macer: hahaha yeah or their cots |
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| 23:32.07 | Macer | yup :) that shit would make me die laughing |
| 23:32.11 | Bobbe | kfx, during house sweeping? |
| 23:32.20 | kfx | nothing funnier than twenty guys in a gp medium hiding from mortars under cots |
| 23:32.21 | Macer | especially when we were at the forward post |
| 23:32.31 | Macer | with the hooches that were surrounded by huge hesco barriers |
| 23:32.35 | kfx | Bobbe: I wasn't a door-kicker, I dunno how they handled that |
| 23:32.48 | Macer | Bobbe: ye |
| 23:32.49 | Macer | yes |
| 23:32.53 | kfx | Macer: did iraqis make houses out of conexes too? |
| 23:32.56 | Macer | we had a translator |
| 23:33.05 | Macer | conexes? |
| 23:33.16 | Macer | the metal shipping boxes? |
| 23:33.19 | kfx | yeah |
| 23:33.27 | Macer | we had a different nme for them but i can't remember |
| 23:33.28 | Bobbe | man, that must have been bizarre. This guy shoots his way into your place and you keep having to wait for somebody to translate |
| 23:33.29 | Macer | but yes :) |
| 23:33.31 | Macer | some of them did |
| 23:33.32 | kfx | afghanis would stack those things like legos and cut doors and windows in them |
| 23:33.43 | Macer | Bobbe: we lost ours once |
| 23:33.54 | Macer | fucker couldn't get his piece of crap ak47 working when we were stepping off |
| 23:34.03 | Macer | and he got lost :) |
| 23:34.04 | Macer | hahaha |
| 23:34.11 | mavhc | put a google datacentre container in the middle of the pile for heat and youtube |
| 23:34.11 | kfx | I could get by some without a terp because I speak a little russian |
| 23:34.13 | Macer | another platoon picked him up though |
| 23:34.25 | Bobbe | ow |
| 23:34.38 | Bobbe | when you say we lost one you mean you didn't know where he was |
| 23:34.40 | kfx | but I don't think as many iraqis speak russian as afhgans do |
| 23:34.51 | kkrusty | kfx: probably arabic |
| 23:34.54 | Macer | Bobbe: yeah. he got lost. another platoon picked him up. we were on a time schedule |
| 23:35.02 | Bobbe | geez |
| 23:35.02 | Macer | and didn't care too much for the guy who can translate :) |
| 23:35.03 | Macer | haha |
| 23:35.18 | Bobbe | is a translator, thankuverymuch |
| 23:35.22 | Macer | lol |
| 23:35.27 | Bobbe | I'm glad to know you'd let me die out there |
| 23:35.27 | kkrusty | kfx: afghans speak russian? neat |
| 23:35.43 | Macer | Bobbe: well.. if you were an american translator we probably wouldn't have left you |
| 23:35.46 | kfx | kkrusty: the russians occupied them for roughly a billion years |
| 23:35.49 | Bobbe | kkrusty, probably part of the 'lets-be-happy-and-overthrow-america' plan of the 80s |
| 23:35.50 | Macer | but we didn't care much for the iraqi translator |
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| 23:36.03 | kfx | afghanistan was like russia's vietnam |
| 23:36.10 | Macer | especially when one day their platoon didn't do a patrol because they didn't get paid on time |
| 23:36.12 | Bobbe | Macer, I get it |
| 23:36.21 | kfx | a native terp can survive on his own, an american terp would probably die |
| 23:36.30 | kkrusty | kfx: have you ever went close to the border with Pakistan? |
| 23:36.30 | Macer | that's like the US Army saying "No. we are on strike" |
| 23:36.35 | Macer | lol |
| 23:36.48 | Macer | kfx: naw. actually they would murder the iraqi one |
| 23:37.08 | Macer | but we wouldn't have let an american die out there :) or left him |
| 23:37.13 | Bobbe | Macer, it just wasn't personal for them I guess. Also accounts for why casualties on outsourced forces were higher, usually |
| 23:37.14 | kfx | kkrusty: not really |
| 23:37.18 | kfx | I was mostly in kabul |
| 23:37.36 | Macer | Bobbe: they had a post in the middle of the city one day and got shot at by a sniper and just started shooting everywhere |
| 23:37.51 | Macer | like they went into a 360 and just shot at everything. they were absolutely horrible |
| 23:37.59 | rm_you | johnx: http://flux.myvnc.com/get_poi.php |
| 23:38.02 | rm_you | johnx: ? |
| 23:38.04 | Bobbe | how much training did they have? |
| 23:38.08 | kfx | I had a much better time working for blackwater than I did working for the army |
| 23:38.08 | kkrusty | kfx: what are the general sentiments about Pak in there? |
| 23:38.13 | Macer | Bobbe: enough to get them out there |
| 23:38.14 | johnx | rm_you: looking |
| 23:38.17 | Macer | very little |
| 23:38.24 | kfx | kkrusty: I don't think there are any |
| 23:38.26 | johnx | looks very cool, did that actually come from an upload? or is it a sample? |
| 23:38.31 | Macer | i think they had guys training for 2-4 weeks and that was it |
| 23:38.37 | Macer | and most of them only did it for a paycheck |
| 23:38.38 | kfx | afghanistan isn't what you'd call a homongenous nation |
| 23:38.38 | Bobbe | how about u guys |
| 23:38.44 | rm_you | johnx: came from DB |
| 23:38.47 | rm_you | johnx: it's done |
| 23:38.50 | rm_you | if that is acceptable |
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| 23:39.04 | Macer | Bobbe: Marines trainf or 3 months for boot camp.. then depending on what you do... maybe another 2-3 afterwards |
| 23:39.04 | kkrusty | kfx: Im just thinking that whatever happens there ends up getting blamed on Pak. |
| 23:39.09 | kkrusty | is from Pak |
| 23:39.23 | Macer | and if you have an advanced specialty .. even longer |
| 23:39.26 | rm_you | johnx: the upload app isn't actually doing the uploads yet, but the url for that is pretty much done too, just gotta implement libcurl |
| 23:39.30 | kfx | kkrusty: mostly whatever happens there gets blamed on whoever happens to be standing nearby at the time |
| 23:39.36 | Macer | i think the army is 9 weeks |
| 23:39.50 | kfx | yeah army is 9 weeks |
| 23:40.13 | Macer | kfx: does the army get liberty during their basic ? |
| 23:40.15 | kfx | subsequent trainig in the army varies from two/three weeks (mortarman lmao) to well over two years (for a linguist or something) |
| 23:40.18 | johnx | rm_you: I think it looks good, but I'm in over my head by a little :) |
| 23:40.19 | kfx | Macer: no |
| 23:40.28 | rm_you | anyone here who actually works on jabber/xml/geolocation/whatever want to tell me if that's ACTUALLY what my xml is supposed to look like? :P (http://flux.myvnc.com/get_poi.php) |
| 23:40.30 | Macer | i thought you guys get weekends :) |
| 23:40.33 | kfx | nope |
| 23:40.47 | rm_you | johnx: lol well when i finish the upload app ima take a break for a bit and then i can help you |
| 23:40.49 | kfx | if your AIT is longer than like six months you start getting weekends then |
| 23:41.03 | Macer | did you have to fill out the pre made letter when you got there? |
| 23:41.14 | Bobbe | I see |
| 23:41.16 | Macer | we had drill instructors screaming at us telling us what to write haha |
| 23:41.30 | kfx | nope, I never did |
| 23:41.35 | Macer | "Dear _enter name here_, I have arrived and am in good health..." |
| 23:41.37 | rm_you | johnx: is it just the C++ that's giving you issues? |
| 23:41.38 | Macer | hahaha it was a riot |
| 23:41.40 | kfx | yeah |
| 23:41.43 | Bobbe | the outsourced guys were like the Chef in the South Park movie |
| 23:41.58 | Macer | Bobbe: believe it or not. the best chow halls are in iraq :) |
| 23:42.07 | Macer | there was one that was like eating at denny's every day |
| 23:42.11 | johnx | rm_you: I've been working on the start-hildon run-parts thing still |
| 23:42.18 | kfx | I disagree |
| 23:42.21 | johnx | and also slacking off :> |
| 23:42.25 | kfx | the best chow halls are on blackwater qrf bases :) |
| 23:42.30 | Bobbe | lol |
| 23:42.36 | Macer | kfx: usaf :) |
| 23:42.43 | kfx | oh, yeah |
| 23:42.44 | Macer | they had chow halls where you order at the table |
| 23:42.46 | Macer | hahaha |
| 23:42.55 | kfx | there's something surreal about eating pork chops in a muslim nation |
| 23:42.58 | Macer | and someone picks up your stuff for you that you leave there |
| 23:43.09 | Bobbe | chow hall is the term for all forces, or just USMC? |
| 23:43.09 | kfx | freaking air force |
| 23:43.14 | Macer | kfx: i had to go eat an an air force base and had no idea |
| 23:43.27 | Macer | i picked my stuff up and was walking around for 5 minutes trying to figure out where to put the stuff |
| 23:43.41 | Macer | until some airman said "Sergeant.. what are you doing?" |
| 23:43.51 | Macer | "I'm looking for the place to put this stuff." |
| 23:43.56 | kfx | on ft gordon we weren't allowed to call cadence marching past af barracks (they call them 'dorms') because we were waking them up |
| 23:44.00 | Macer | "No Sergeant..... just leave it. Someone comes and gets it." |
| 23:44.03 | kfx | hahahah |
| 23:44.07 | Macer | kfx: ! us too!! |
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| 23:44.21 | Macer | hahaha we were up at like 5am running and screaming and a drill sgt told our CO to shut up |
| 23:44.24 | kfx | most ridiculous thing I ever heard in the military |
| 23:44.25 | kfx | yeah |
| 23:44.28 | Macer | hahahah i guess he didn't realize a major was running us |
| 23:44.31 | Bobbe | lmao |
| 23:44.42 | Macer | so he told us to scream louder :) |
| 23:44.43 | Macer | hahahahah |
| 23:44.45 | Bobbe | "Shut up, soldiers! Captain needs his beauty sleep!" |
| 23:44.55 | Macer | that shit was idiotic |
| 23:44.59 | rm_you | johnx: ah ok then, i did a bit of the slacking this morning too, and going to return to it some tonight :) |
| 23:45.00 | kfx | we'd make sure to be marching past at like 7:01 or whenever they were 'awake' so we could scream our heads off |
| 23:45.26 | kfx | also we used to start fights in mess halls and tell the mps we were usaf |
| 23:45.28 | Macer | ft gordan was great over by the marine attachment |
| 23:45.36 | Bobbe | brb |
| 23:45.42 | kfx | augusta is a terrible town |
| 23:45.55 | Macer | and the class was a joke.. we would get off at noon and be drunk by 1230 :) |
| 23:45.58 | kfx | hahah |
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| 23:46.07 | kfx | barton field |
| 23:46.11 | Macer | and i think the army guys weren't allowed to look at us or something |
| 23:46.19 | kfx | I think you could land a plane in barton field |
| 23:46.23 | Macer | because they always seemed to turn away when we were exiting :) it was wierd |
| 23:46.31 | kfx | Macer: 90% of the army guys on that base were ait kids |
| 23:46.43 | kfx | they were probably just terrified of strangers |
| 23:46.48 | Macer | wtf is ait? :) |
| 23:46.55 | kfx | advanced individual training |
| 23:46.59 | kfx | job training after basic |
| 23:47.00 | Macer | infantry training? |
| 23:47.01 | Macer | oh |
| 23:47.06 | Macer | oh.. mos |
| 23:47.09 | kfx | dunno what marines call it |
| 23:47.13 | kfx | yeah it's where you learn your mos |
| 23:47.36 | Macer | they had like |
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| 23:47.41 | Macer | little gold chevrons on their pockets |
| 23:47.50 | kfx | no idea |
| 23:47.54 | kfx | that might be rotc crap or something |
| 23:47.55 | Macer | :) i think the worst part of the army is that you guys use those patches for rank |
| 23:48.00 | mavhc | so how realistic was Generation Kill? |
| 23:48.07 | kfx | no idea what generation kill is |
| 23:48.12 | Macer | me neither |
| 23:48.21 | Macer | it was hard to tell who the officers were :) |
| 23:48.27 | kfx | Macer: we don't any more! now the patches are velcroed to their chests |
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| 23:48.39 | kfx | which made it hard to check rank on female soldiers without getting an equal opportunity complaint |
| 23:48.39 | Macer | and you have like. different patches on each collar |
| 23:48.46 | Macer | for officers.. wtf was that about? :) |
| 23:48.54 | kfx | patch for rank, one for branch |
| 23:49.04 | Macer | branch? |
| 23:49.07 | kfx | so you could tell the admin pukes and not accidentally listen to or respect them |
| 23:49.13 | Macer | hahahahah! |
| 23:49.14 | kfx | infantry, cavalry, aviation, hq, etc |
| 23:49.39 | Macer | i think the funniest thing at ft gordan was that when we eat we put our covers on the table |
| 23:49.42 | kfx | they only wear them on class a and b uniforms now though |
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| 23:49.53 | Macer | and some sgt first class said "I KNOW MARINES DON'T EAT WITH THEIR HEADGEAR ON THE TABLE!" |
| 23:50.01 | kfx | hahaha hwhat |
| 23:50.05 | Macer | and i was like.. "Uhm. Sorry Sergeant First Class... but we do." |
| 23:50.08 | kfx | I never ran into that crap |
| 23:50.11 | Macer | lol |
| 23:50.12 | kfx | yeah that's what I would have said |
| 23:50.21 | jaem_N810 | hey folks |
| 23:50.24 | Macer | they had "Headgear racks" |
| 23:50.26 | Macer | :-D |
| 23:50.28 | Macer | wtf? |
| 23:50.29 | kfx | what the hell |
| 23:50.33 | kfx | never saw that |
| 23:50.35 | Macer | i know! that's what i said! |
| 23:50.49 | Macer | we had a USAF instructor too |
| 23:50.52 | jaem_N810 | has anyone gotten qtnx working without massive amounts of corruption? |
| 23:50.53 | Macer | tech sergeant earl |
| 23:50.57 | Macer | lol |
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| 23:51.04 | kfx | tech sergeant |
| 23:51.04 | Macer | he called his cover a hat and his blouse a jacket :) |
| 23:51.09 | kfx | that's like e6 or something right |
| 23:51.15 | Macer | i think |
| 23:51.17 | Macer | e6 or e7 |
| 23:51.22 | kfx | yeah I called my cover a hat too |
| 23:51.30 | kfx | I could never take that crap seriously |
| 23:51.34 | Macer | if we called our cover a hat we would get thrashed |
| 23:51.39 | kfx | I also refer to m16s and m4s "guns" |
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| 23:51.50 | Macer | lol.. that's another one we would get thrashed for |
| 23:51.56 | kfx | because if it fires a damn bullet with gunpowder it's a gun ok :) |
| 23:52.01 | Macer | hahaa |
| 23:52.13 | Macer | we had to call a rifle or pistol a weapon or rifle or pistol |
| 23:52.18 | kfx | oh, I got in trouble for it all the time |
| 23:52.24 | kfx | counseling statement after counseling statement |
| 23:52.25 | kfx | didn't care |
| 23:52.48 | Macer | kfx: well. in the USMC doing stuff like that over and over.. they would make your life miserable so it was alwasy best to just do it |
| 23:52.55 | kfx | "you need to call your headgear 'cover' or 'headgear'" |
| 23:52.55 | Macer | like wearing a seat belt :) |
| 23:53.03 | kfx | "are you going to give me an article 15 about it?" |
| 23:53.05 | kfx | "of course not" |
| 23:53.11 | kfx | "okay then, give me my hat back" |
| 23:53.21 | Macer | we got yelled at for not saluting indoors! |
| 23:53.23 | Macer | :) |
| 23:53.26 | kfx | hahaha what |
| 23:53.28 | Macer | army salutes indoors i guess |
| 23:53.32 | Macer | lol |
| 23:53.34 | kfx | no, they don't |
| 23:53.41 | kfx | only time you salute indoors is when you're reporting for pay |
| 23:53.45 | kfx | which nobody does, ever |
| 23:53.52 | kfx | because of direct deposit |
| 23:53.55 | Macer | well. some butterbar told us that crap |
| 23:53.56 | kfx | I think someone was screwing with you |
| 23:54.00 | Macer | :) |
| 23:54.00 | kfx | oh a butterbar |
| 23:54.02 | rm_you | lol |
| 23:54.06 | kfx | he was just a moron then |
| 23:54.17 | Macer | sure was |
| 23:54.20 | Bobbe | wth is a butterbar? |
| 23:54.23 | Macer | our capt was there |
| 23:54.27 | Macer | and started yelling at him |
| 23:54.28 | Macer | hahahah |
| 23:54.32 | kfx | my commander used to call our butterbar 'temp to hire' |
| 23:54.43 | Macer | "You ever tell my Marines what they should and shouldn't do then I'm going to let them fuck you up!" |
| 23:54.51 | Macer | that shit was a riot |
| 23:55.00 | kfx | Bobbe: 1st lieutenant |
| 23:55.05 | kfx | lowest officer rank there is |
| 23:55.11 | jaem_N810 | can someone with Tear/Midori installed do me a quick favour? |
| 23:55.12 | kfx | a private with too much brasso and not enough basic |
| 23:55.27 | Macer | good times :) |
| 23:55.32 | Macer | if i didn't have my son i would have stayed in |
| 23:55.33 | Bobbe | jaem_N810, I don't have but I can install it. just a sec |
| 23:55.38 | jaem_N810 | sure, thanks |
| 23:55.44 | Bobbe | kfx, thx. Urban Dictionary had it too |
| 23:55.46 | Macer | especially after i went on a float and did all the things i thought the recruiter lied to me about |
| 23:55.54 | Macer | lol |
| 23:56.07 | Macer | got to do the whole see the world thing right before goign to iraq the 2nd time and getting extended twice |
| 23:56.18 | jaem_N810 | the Telus accounts website is having issues; knowing Telus, it's probably their fault, but... |
| 23:56.40 | Macer | i think india was the worst country in existance.. what a disgusting place |
| 23:57.18 | Bobbe | jaem_N810, what's qole's repo again? the one that has tear and dependencies? |
| 23:57.25 | kfx | Macer: I'm the same way |
| 23:57.33 | jaem_N810 | it was at .maemobox.org |
| 23:57.33 | kfx | when it came time to reup I found out my wife was pregnant |
| 23:57.45 | jaem_N810 | I think it's repo(sitory).qole.org now |
| 23:57.50 | kfx | so I did one job with blackwater and got out of the whole game |
| 23:58.20 | Bobbe | jaem_N810, distro? |
| 23:58.20 | Macer | isn't blackwater a merc company? |
| 23:58.25 | kfx | yeah |
| 23:58.26 | Macer | :) |
| 23:58.32 | Macer | how is that out f the whole game? |
| 23:58.34 | kfx | they're called 'xe' now because of all the lawsuits |
| 23:58.48 | kfx | no I got out of the game after the blackwater deal |
| 23:58.51 | jaem_N810 | Bobbe: ...Maemo? |
| 23:58.54 | jaem_N810 | not Mer |
| 23:58.56 | Macer | oh |
| 23:59.26 | Macer | ah well... i'm off to grab some food.. was nice talking to you |
| 23:59.37 | Bobbe | jaem_N810, got it |
| 23:59.40 | Bobbe | just a sec |
| 23:59.51 | jaem_N810 | okay |
