| 00:06.23 | GeneralAntilles | I wish we had some sort of timeframe for implementing Extras QA |
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| 00:19.15 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia and their goddamn charger notices. |
| 00:19.31 | GeneralAntilles | These things make me want to never buy Nokia products again. |
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| 01:05.13 | LiraNuna | Nokia better speed up, apple has a netbook coming soon |
| 01:05.34 | LiraNuna | damn I hate apple hype so bad |
| 01:08.13 | shapr | Will the next internet table charge from usb? Would make my life easier. |
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| 01:08.57 | LiraNuna | not much is known about the next tablet |
| 01:09.07 | derf | shapr: You can get an adapter for the current ones. |
| 01:10.12 | LiraNuna | would be nice if Nokia started some sort of survey about the next device |
| 01:10.49 | LiraNuna | though it's nice to be able to browse the sources and get an impression about what is speculative |
| 01:13.40 | timeless | generally hardware features in maemo devices are similar to other average nokia products as we share purchasing |
| 01:13.45 | shapr | LiraNuna: Next tablet uses an OMAP3430, will probably have an FM transmitter, I forget the rest. |
| 01:14.01 | LiraNuna | shapr, I know, 3G was also 'announced' |
| 01:14.15 | LiraNuna | as well as a memory slot and opengl es 2.0 |
| 01:14.42 | shapr | Yup |
| 01:15.05 | LiraNuna | but not much details are known |
| 01:15.31 | LiraNuna | I saw a post on maemo forums about the keyboard layout |
| 01:16.23 | LiraNuna | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=268726&postcount=7 |
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| 01:20.54 | GeneralAntilles | shapr, yes, USB. |
| 01:20.57 | GeneralAntilles | MicroUSB |
| 01:21.15 | GeneralAntilles | ~rx51 |
| 01:21.29 | GeneralAntilles | ~rx-51 |
| 01:21.30 | infobot | hmm... rx-51 is http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/ http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9093153240.html |
| 01:21.37 | GeneralAntilles | Basically everything we know. |
| 01:22.02 | GeneralAntilles | Although some stuff I left out (since it seemed obvious to me) and some stuff we've found out since (like the USB transceiver part ;)). |
| 01:27.16 | LiraNuna | I hope it'll be an N810 lookalike, I really like the way it looks and fells |
| 01:27.18 | LiraNuna | feels* |
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| 01:53.10 | AndrewFBlack_ | Hello |
| 01:55.26 | timeless_mbp | LiraNuna: aww, you mean you don't want the hardware designers to have a job? |
| 01:55.38 | LiraNuna | timeless, haha |
| 01:55.52 | LiraNuna | timeless_mbp, well, I meant no radical changes ;D |
| 01:56.19 | timeless_mbp | ok, no Elephant shaped tablets |
| 01:56.23 | timeless_mbp | i guess we can live with that |
| 01:56.32 | LiraNuna | agreed |
| 01:56.41 | timeless_mbp | tigers ok? :) |
| 01:57.03 | timeless_mbp | sorry, i'm in a strange mood, starving again |
| 01:58.33 | LiraNuna | nothing's wrong with a little humor :) |
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| 02:08.57 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, refrigerators are wonderful pieces of tech. |
| 02:09.14 | timeless_mbp | oh, i probably have some food at home |
| 02:09.18 | timeless_mbp | but it's damp outside |
| 02:09.58 | GeneralAntilles | What, you a witch? :P |
| 02:10.06 | GeneralAntilles | It's been raining so much here our pool overflowed |
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| 02:19.08 | timeless_mbp | you have a pool |
| 02:19.13 | timeless_mbp | What, are you rich? :P |
| 02:19.21 | derf | He lives in Florida. |
| 02:19.27 | derf | Everyone has a pool. |
| 02:19.37 | derf | I don't think they make houses without them. |
| 02:23.44 | Macer | they're sending bio-robots to the roof of chernobyl in order to clear the radioactive graphite from it :) |
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| 02:25.18 | Macer | don't space suits protect against radioactivity? |
| 02:28.06 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, well, my parents do and I'm home for the summer. ;) |
| 02:28.29 | timeless_mbp | aww |
| 02:28.40 | timeless_mbp | wait |
| 02:28.45 | timeless_mbp | there was a movie like that recently |
| 02:28.47 | timeless_mbp | ponders |
| 02:28.50 | GeneralAntilles | But, yes, Florida. |
| 02:28.51 | timeless_mbp | Bad Boys 2? |
| 02:29.02 | timeless_mbp | the one where the pool kept flooding :) |
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| 02:31.21 | timeless_mbp | btw, how the heck do people read blogspots w/ archives that seem to be hundreds of screens long? |
| 02:31.44 | timeless_mbp | e.g. robalini.blogspot.com/2008_02_01_archive.html |
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| 02:36.52 | Bobbe | the mascot topic at itt should be bash.org-ed |
| 02:39.24 | timeless_mbp | ghostbusters 3?? |
| 02:40.16 | Bobbe | ??? |
| 02:41.27 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 02:41.36 | timeless_mbp | Slashdot just slashvertised the n810 |
| 02:43.36 | GeneralAntilles | Be nice if Nokia could work out some sort of Ovi store deal with Amazon for ebooks. |
| 02:44.44 | Bobbe | GeneralAntilles, I don't think they're giving away Kindle monopoly for any reasonable amounts of money (or a lot more than reasonable, I suppose) |
| 02:45.05 | GeneralAntilles | Bobbe, sure, but one can wish. ;) |
| 02:45.22 | timeless_mbp | Bobbe: amazon released a reader for the ipod |
| 02:45.38 | Bobbe | GeneralAntilles, sure thing |
| 02:46.36 | Bobbe | timeless_mbp, yeah, but the MO is completely different |
| 02:46.58 | timeless_mbp | http://entertainment.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1240741&cid=28039727 |
| 02:47.24 | Macer | ew |
| 02:47.47 | Macer | they were showing deformed chernobyl babies |
| 02:48.20 | GeneralAntilles | Any way to get the 5800 browser to download an image? |
| 02:49.59 | Bobbe | no idea |
| 02:50.04 | Bobbe | what happens when you click and hold? |
| 02:50.15 | GeneralAntilles | Absolutely nothing. |
| 02:50.20 | Bobbe | lol |
| 02:50.31 | GeneralAntilles | Tap'n'hold works in a disappointingly limited number of places. |
| 02:51.59 | Bobbe | what other browsers do you have for the N800? does opera mini work fine in it? |
| 02:52.05 | Bobbe | *5800 |
| 02:52.11 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno |
| 02:52.13 | GeneralAntilles | Didn't bother to try. |
| 02:52.23 | GeneralAntilles | Browsing is way inferior to my N800. |
| 02:52.37 | Bobbe | S60 |
| 02:53.04 | Bobbe | is it faster to load pages? |
| 02:54.28 | Bobbe | GeneralAntilles, do u use the boxwave screen protector? |
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| 02:55.01 | GeneralAntilles | Bobbe, yes. |
| 02:55.10 | GeneralAntilles | Bobbe, faster to load, easier to use. |
| 02:55.18 | GeneralAntilles | Much more functional. |
| 02:55.35 | Bobbe | you mean the N800 is |
| 02:55.36 | GeneralAntilles | The S60 5th's browser interface is the dumbest shit I've ever seen. |
| 02:55.41 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 02:56.04 | Bobbe | in the s60 3rd browser you could press 1 to bring an on-screen menu |
| 02:56.19 | Bobbe | now try and find 1 in the browser |
| 02:56.45 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: did you try skyfire? |
| 02:56.59 | timeless_mbp | Bobbe: heh |
| 02:59.26 | Bobbe | Invisible shield 50% off |
| 02:59.33 | Bobbe | bought his boxwave already, but tempted |
| 03:00.54 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, no. |
| 03:01.04 | GeneralAntilles | Bobbe, invisible shield isn't as good |
| 03:01.11 | GeneralAntilles | well, it's different anyway. |
| 03:01.20 | GeneralAntilles | I like a protector I can move from unit to unit as needed. |
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| 03:01.57 | Bobbe | Was it 100% re-usable? Did it come off and back in easily? |
| 03:02.13 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 03:03.21 | Bobbe | well worth the buy then. Off with IS |
| 03:04.09 | Bobbe | GeneralAntilles, you wouldn't happen to have a case to recommend it, would you? Not one of those silicon ones, more like a pouch where I could put cables and mmcs and stuff |
| 03:05.46 | Bobbe | <lyndak>: I would love to change the world, but they won't give me the source code. |
| 03:05.48 | Bobbe | lol |
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| 03:33.41 | Macer | heh |
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| 04:07.14 | LiraNuna | http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/44a0c0f5354afaab |
| 04:07.16 | LiraNuna | oh wow |
| 04:07.23 | LiraNuna | PVR SGX GPL drivers |
| 04:07.40 | LiraNuna | what's stopping them from giving the MBX drivers then? |
| 04:12.41 | GAN800 | Different chips, different agreements. |
| 04:12.49 | LiraNuna | I know, it's just sad :< |
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| 05:02.11 | thux | morning |
| 05:07.30 | Bobbe | morning |
| 05:08.25 | RST38h | 1 |
| 05:14.46 | thux | usually mini laptops have atom, but hp got that via model, is it as good/bad as atom ones? |
| 05:20.02 | tank-man | most likely worst |
| 05:21.05 | thux | ok then i pass just would be cheap now |
| 05:21.06 | RST38h | [state-of-factly] Get a laptop with a real CPU |
| 05:21.18 | luke-jr | yeah, none of that x86 crap |
| 05:22.27 | RST38h | luke-jr: What CPU is in the computer you are currently using? |
| 05:22.51 | luke-jr | ARM? |
| 05:23.12 | RST38h | What computer are you using? |
| 05:23.24 | luke-jr | N810? |
| 05:23.49 | thux | i got sempron and turion laptops, but my mini is asus 701 and would need better |
| 05:23.51 | RST38h | Can your N810 play a movie in DVD quality? Or play a semi-advanced game? |
| 05:24.07 | luke-jr | RST38h: if TI wasn't jerks? :p |
| 05:24.23 | RST38h | luke-jr: You really think it has anything to do with TI? |
| 05:24.26 | luke-jr | yes |
| 05:24.59 | luke-jr | I do know that Samsung competitor SoC has hardware acceleration for h.264 decoding |
| 05:25.13 | luke-jr | I'd be surprised if TI's OMAP didn't |
| 05:25.36 | RST38h | Ok, so you have got h.264 acceleration |
| 05:25.45 | RST38h | How about a game of WoW? |
| 05:25.59 | luke-jr | WoW is a Win16 virtualization layer for WinNT ⺠|
| 05:26.11 | luke-jr | WoW32 is the same, but for Win32 on Win64 |
| 05:26.11 | RST38h | It is mostly a generic computation task, mind you |
| 05:26.54 | luke-jr | kinda like WINE |
| 05:26.56 | RST38h | Ah, do not fake ignorance |
| 05:27.00 | luke-jr | but WoW-- Windows on Windows |
| 05:27.27 | Macer | hey! wine is not an emulator! |
| 05:27.38 | luke-jr | I care not for stupid proprietary games that idiotly overlap existing acronyms |
| 05:27.43 | thux | is any mini lap better than others or all same? |
| 05:28.00 | luke-jr | thux: handheld, or netbook? |
| 05:28.14 | luke-jr | Macer: nobody said it was |
| 05:28.27 | thux | netbook |
| 05:28.47 | tank-man | define better |
| 05:29.05 | Macer | haha |
| 05:29.09 | Macer | i was just messing around |
| 05:29.35 | Macer | although i personally consider calling something an intepreter just a different word for emulator |
| 05:29.48 | thux | better hmm like is asus or acer netbooks same or one better than other |
| 05:29.49 | luke-jr | Macer: WINE isn't an interpreter either |
| 05:30.03 | luke-jr | thux: define better |
| 05:30.11 | Macer | it's not? |
| 05:30.13 | Macer | wtf? |
| 05:30.14 | luke-jr | thux: do you mean faster? more reliable? |
| 05:30.18 | luke-jr | Macer: not at all |
| 05:30.19 | thux | yes |
| 05:30.20 | Macer | what is it then? |
| 05:30.21 | Macer | haha |
| 05:30.24 | luke-jr | Macer: WINE is just a collection of libraries |
| 05:30.29 | luke-jr | and a PE loader |
| 05:30.30 | thux | yes faster |
| 05:30.57 | thux | fastest netbook |
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| 05:31.24 | jaem_N810 | hey folks |
| 05:31.25 | luke-jr | Macer: with WINE, Windows apps are running the same way they do on Windows |
| 05:31.39 | jaem_N810 | quick question |
| 05:31.48 | luke-jr | jaem_N810: no, I will not join your cult. |
| 05:32.00 | jaem_N810 | luke-jr: I don't have one |
| 05:32.03 | luke-jr | :p |
| 05:32.26 | jaem_N810 | but I do have some pamphlets you might be interested in |
| 05:32.29 | Macer | luke-jr: then why do they run so crappy? |
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| 05:33.01 | jaem_N810 | Macer: Wine == dereenigne Windows |
| 05:33.10 | jaem_N810 | therefore bugs |
| 05:33.10 | luke-jr | Macer: they don't |
| 05:33.18 | RST38h | thux: http://www.ecomelectronics.com/prodinfo.phtml?id=3060&ref=froogle |
| 05:33.24 | luke-jr | Macer: many apps run better in WINE than on Windows |
| 05:33.31 | Macer | uhm |
| 05:33.36 | Macer | when they run? :) |
| 05:33.44 | Macer | so what prevents them from running? |
| 05:33.44 | jaem_N810 | Macer: exactly |
| 05:33.50 | luke-jr | Macer: any standard Win32 app should run fine |
| 05:34.01 | luke-jr | the problem is mainly with apps that go beyond simple Win32 |
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| 05:34.13 | luke-jr | eg, perhaps internal NT native APIs |
| 05:34.17 | luke-jr | or DirectX |
| 05:34.18 | Macer | why should it be a problem if it just uses win libs? |
| 05:34.25 | jaem_N810 | I have a wgotten dump of sequentially numbered JPEGs from a webcomic |
| 05:34.35 | Macer | isn't directx just a collection of libs used to work with apis? |
| 05:34.38 | luke-jr | Macer: if it just uses Win libs, there is no problem |
| 05:34.49 | RST38h | Macer: No |
| 05:34.53 | jaem_N810 | the stock Maemo image viewer sorts by standard alphanum, and therefore the comics are out of order |
| 05:34.56 | luke-jr | Macer: DirectX is a collection of special-purpose libraries |
| 05:35.31 | tank-man | jaem_N810, easy solution is rename your jpgs |
| 05:35.35 | jaem_N810 | is there anything that will sort them numerically? (e.g. 2 < 10) |
| 05:35.46 | x29a | shellscript |
| 05:35.56 | RST38h | Macer: It actually goes pretty deep into the system, the "libraries" are just the interface to the whole iceberg |
| 05:35.56 | Macer | well. i think wine is around 30% success rate for me |
| 05:35.57 | jaem_N810 | tank-man: there is that, but my other apps do it properly |
| 05:36.25 | thux | RST38h: thanks, |
| 05:36.29 | RST38h | Macer: Started as a kind of SDL but as everything with Microsoft did not stay that way |
| 05:36.41 | jaem_N810 | it's bedtime here, and I was looking for a quick fix... I'm not good at shell scripting |
| 05:37.10 | jaem_N810 | it's on my list of "to-learn"'s |
| 05:37.24 | luke-jr | Macer: back when I used WINE, it was pretty much perfect with any app I cared about |
| 05:37.59 | luke-jr | which was like, VirtualDub, Sub Station Alpha, and Myst |
| 05:38.14 | Macer | lol |
| 05:38.17 | Macer | myst! |
| 05:38.24 | Macer | going to the way back when |
| 05:38.32 | luke-jr | Myst made CD-ROMs a success :p |
| 05:38.38 | luke-jr | everyone loves Myst |
| 05:38.40 | Macer | speaking of myst. i should try playing a newer one |
| 05:38.48 | Macer | i haven't played myst in forever |
| 05:38.50 | luke-jr | Macer: they remade the original |
| 05:38.57 | luke-jr | smooth 3D instead of snapshots |
| 05:39.19 | jaem_N810 | night, folks |
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| 05:39.22 | Macer | woah really? |
| 05:39.24 | Macer | what's it called? |
| 05:39.27 | luke-jr | that remake has a few glitches in WINE tho |
| 05:39.31 | luke-jr | realMyst |
| 05:39.38 | Macer | i have a win box |
| 05:39.40 | luke-jr | of course, being 3D, it's not strictly Win32 ;) |
| 05:39.49 | Macer | i want to play myst. how old is it? |
| 05:39.53 | luke-jr | dunno |
| 05:39.59 | Macer | intel 945 is kind of a crappy gp |
| 05:40.00 | Macer | gpu |
| 05:40.01 | luke-jr | the original or remake? |
| 05:40.06 | Macer | the remake |
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| 05:40.32 | luke-jr | Macer: Nov 2000 |
| 05:40.37 | thux | about gaming, does dosbox run on tablet? |
| 05:40.44 | luke-jr | realMyst: Interactive 3D Edition was a remake of Myst released in November 2000 for Windows PCs, and in January 2002 for the Macs. Unlike Myst and the Masterpiece Edition, realMyst featured free-roaming, real-time 3D graphics instead of pre-rendered stills. |
| 05:40.55 | luke-jr | thux: no, dosbox isn't an emulator either |
| 05:41.03 | thux | ok |
| 05:41.06 | luke-jr | I think |
| 05:42.05 | thux | i personally would need dosemu on tablet, cause got one useful dos program which i use |
| 05:42.26 | luke-jr | Macer: Myst for PSP was released in 2006 |
| 05:42.30 | RST38h | DBaseIII? =) |
| 05:42.48 | luke-jr | thux: Commander Keen? |
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| 05:43.07 | thux | no this is like calculator |
| 05:43.25 | luke-jr | Macer: Myst for iPhone was literally JUST released :P |
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| 06:18.43 | LiraNuna | http://talk.maemo.org/ is down? |
| 06:18.50 | LiraNuna | nvm it got back |
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| 06:35.33 | Bobbe | Guys, my battery status icon keeps selecting itself all the time. It interrupts other programs, probably drains my battery little by little, and is fairly annoying in general. Is anybody having the same bug as I do? |
| 06:36.17 | Myrtti | my bf has that |
| 06:36.48 | x29a | the default powerapp or the "advanced" power applet? |
| 06:36.52 | Myrtti | default |
| 06:37.19 | Bobbe | Default toored pill modeVai no gerenciador de aplicativos e manda adicionar um repositrio novo () |
| 06:38.06 | Bobbe | sorry |
| 06:38.13 | Bobbe | my vnc is bugged too =( |
| 06:38.17 | Bobbe | anyways |
| 06:38.24 | Bobbe | I didn't install any advanced power monitor apps =) |
| 06:38.48 | x29a | hmm, works for me, sorry |
| 06:38.58 | x29a | do you have any settingspage open still in background |
| 06:38.59 | x29a | ? |
| 06:39.23 | x29a | or which services are running? is it comming to the foreground because it thinks there is a plug installed (hw issue)? |
| 06:40.42 | Macer | well. now gibbs quit |
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| 06:40.45 | Macer | wtf ncis! |
| 06:40.52 | Macer | first you kill kate then make gibbs quit! |
| 06:40.54 | Macer | fail! |
| 06:41.28 | Corsac | chhhtt |
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| 06:42.12 | StsN800 | shush with the spoilers |
| 06:42.13 | Bobbe | connecting the charger doesn't select the icon |
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| 06:43.39 | Bobbe | how can I tail the system log to see what happens when the icon auto-selects? |
| 06:43.55 | Macer | StsN800: are you actually watching it? :) |
| 06:43.56 | Macer | haha |
| 06:44.22 | Macer | i figured not too many non-military people watched ncis |
| 06:44.26 | StsN800 | Macer, not actively since i dont have a tv anymore |
| 06:44.34 | StsN800 | its on tv here |
| 06:44.50 | Macer | you don't have a computer? |
| 06:45.40 | StsN800 | i do, and i have a media center, but ncis isnt one of the series i actively get |
| 06:47.47 | Macer | ah . i see |
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| 07:02.12 | Myrtti | I wish that telepathy would give a bit better error information >__< |
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| 07:03.55 | StsN800 | "What Happen?!" type of errors? |
| 07:04.48 | Myrtti | StsN800: "Network Error" isn't exactly informative |
| 07:04.59 | StsN800 | hehe |
| 07:04.59 | Myrtti | leaves me in the state of "D'oh" |
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| 07:18.27 | Macer | hm. that was somewhat odd |
| 07:18.40 | Macer | this 1GHz artigo works well as a shell server |
| 07:18.45 | Macer | amongst a few other things |
| 07:19.31 | Macer | maybe a web server but it might be a tad bit too slow for anything serious |
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| 07:47.40 | t_s_o | ok, that was scary. was doing some updates and the dpad led blinked, then the tablet rebooted, and next to the nokia logo it came a message about recovering a software update... |
| 07:50.35 | Stskeeps | yeah, those moments are kinda like the moments where you notice your baby is sitting in the window :P |
| 07:51.06 | x29a_ | or even worse, michael jackson is holding it out of the window |
| 07:51.16 | Stskeeps | yeah :P |
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| 07:58.44 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 08:01.35 | Stskeeps | morning jafffa |
| 08:01.36 | Stskeeps | -f |
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| 08:05.58 | Stskeeps | morn timeless_mbp |
| 08:06.08 | timeless_mbp | technically |
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| 08:28.01 | RST38h | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2583 <-- a rare look into modest internals =) |
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| 08:43.58 | Stskeeps | heh, that's a funny bug |
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| 09:08.32 | RST38h | Sts: From the way those comments sound, it is quite possible that Modest will not show counts of new messages for each account at the top UI screen |
| 09:08.41 | RST38h | Unless Quim talks sense into these guys of course |
| 09:12.38 | StsN800 | thats lousy really |
| 09:13.11 | StsN800 | i would continue using claws then |
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| 09:17.00 | aquatix | as long as Modest doesn't mark read email as read on the imap server, i can't use it |
| 09:17.13 | aquatix | it seems it only does so when stopping the session |
| 09:17.17 | aquatix | and that's... never |
| 09:17.25 | aquatix | as it backgrounds |
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| 09:22.17 | RST38h | Perfect |
| 09:23.28 | suihkulokki | aquatix: bugnumber? |
| 09:23.54 | RST38h | suihkulokki: It is irrelevant as none of Modest bugs will be fixed. |
| 09:24.19 | aquatix | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2987 |
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| 09:30.09 | lardman | morning |
| 09:30.23 | suihkulokki | aquatix: you manage the dovecot server? |
| 09:30.28 | RST38h | moo lardman |
| 09:30.34 | aquatix | suihkulokki: yep, it's on my VPS |
| 09:31.43 | suihkulokki | aquatix: you might want to try dovecot with the rawlog plugin to see what exact imap commands get sent and when: http://wiki.dovecot.org/Debugging/Rawlog |
| 09:33.27 | lardman | nice page: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle |
| 09:33.29 | suihkulokki | aquatix: I also think you mixed dovecot and exim4 version numbers in your bug comment :) |
| 09:33.41 | aquatix | might be, it's been a while |
| 09:34.01 | aquatix | suihkulokki: what i understand is that modest optimises network traffic |
| 09:34.23 | aquatix | it queues imap commands till it thinks it's done, like at the end of a session |
| 09:34.35 | aquatix | except that only happens when you stop its service |
| 09:34.44 | aquatix | or break the connection, but then it's too late |
| 09:36.18 | roope | That's weird. I thought I've seen the email message numbers on the default screen. |
| 09:36.26 | suihkulokki | aquatix: that's a conclusion built on anecdoctal evidence |
| 09:36.45 | aquatix | true |
| 09:37.12 | suihkulokki | having systematic evidence (such as logs) is better =) |
| 09:37.35 | aquatix | well, i remember checking traffic/logs then |
| 09:37.49 | aquatix | will true that rawlog |
| 09:37.51 | aquatix | *try |
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| 09:40.56 | RST38h | roope: maybe I misunderstood the comments in that bug |
| 09:42.30 | roope | Then again, I've tried only one account at a time. |
| 09:42.42 | roope | But hmm. |
| 09:42.56 | roope | Anyways, it's a lot nicer than anything previously. :) |
| 09:43.28 | RST38h | roope: only matters if it is nice enough |
| 09:43.39 | RST38h | the Diablo version is not usable by any means |
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| 09:49.57 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: which app? |
| 09:50.02 | roope | I think it's pretty usable now. |
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| 09:52.30 | RST38h | roope: Oh I tried many times, it is not |
| 09:52.44 | roope | Hmm, that's weird. |
| 09:52.48 | RST38h | roope: I can go over the list of concrete problems but it is purely academical now |
| 09:52.51 | aquatix | hm, doesn't modest have a `refresh' folders option? |
| 09:53.09 | RST38h | aquatix: It does but it does not work if background process failed to connect some time in the past |
| 09:53.37 | RST38h | Furthermore, for my POP3 account it does not seem to work at all now |
| 09:53.43 | roope | ok, I'll say this way: I've been using it now for the past weeks and ... I haven't encountered any showstoppers. |
| 09:53.50 | roope | but your mileage may vary. :) |
| 09:54.26 | RST38h | roope: You may be using it in a very much controlled environment, perfect connection, IMAP server, verison of IMAP server is the same as the one they tested it with, etc |
| 09:54.36 | aquatix | ah, restarting the client refreshes the folders |
| 09:54.42 | roope | Perhaps. I'm using gmail imap. |
| 09:54.50 | RST38h | roope: Believe me that in the wild it just never works |
| 09:54.58 | RST38h | Yea, GMail access is semidecent now |
| 09:55.39 | RST38h | Unless you have intermittent WiFi (then it seems to hang until restart) or try to open virtual "folders" with hundreds of items |
| 09:55.51 | lcuk | RST38h, thats always the way, but full on testing and usage as primary system has to account for some confidence |
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| 09:57.36 | lcuk | roope, why arent you using it with nokia ovi servers anyway - i wouldv thought gmail was a swear word :p |
| 09:57.50 | roope | No, it's not a swear word. :) |
| 09:58.32 | roope | my email is on gmail, so it's pretty natural of course. |
| 09:58.42 | lcuk | the harmattan ovi cal looks really cool btw :) |
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| 09:59.21 | RST38h | does not see what the purpose of so many "social" apps is though |
| 09:59.33 | RST38h | Or maybe I just don't have any friends :) |
| 09:59.46 | lcuk | heh rst |
| 10:00.20 | RST38h | The whole thing does start looking more and more like comlogs from Hyperion though |
| 10:01.01 | RST38h | Maybe Nokia should just license the name and adapt it for their devices, given how awkward "multimedia computer" sounds |
| 10:02.46 | lcuk | RST38h, you could add infobot and povbot! :D |
| 10:02.51 | lcuk | that way you could have updates |
| 10:02.57 | Myrtti | I wouldn't do a day without delicious.com |
| 10:03.07 | lcuk | hiya Myrtti \o |
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| 10:03.49 | RST38h | lcuk: that reminds me of a joke where a passerby sees little girl in the sandbox, tearing head off a teddy bear |
| 10:03.56 | Myrtti | lcuk: ohai |
| 10:04.09 | RST38h | lcuk: So the guy asks "Why are you doing this? Do you hate teddy bears?" |
| 10:04.45 | RST38h | lcuk: And the girl answers "Well, I am not that fond of humans either..." |
| 10:05.12 | lcuk | *groan* |
| 10:05.47 | x29a | haha |
| 10:06.05 | x29a | i suspected a punchline referring to the sandbox |
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| 10:07.30 | lcuk | heh x29a me too |
| 10:07.43 | lcuk | Myrtti, which country are you in today then? |
| 10:08.13 | Myrtti | lcuk: Finland |
| 10:08.24 | Myrtti | lcuk: bought flights to uk though already |
| 10:08.41 | RST38h | checks out delicious.com, does not find anything useful... well, mostly |
| 10:08.44 | aquatix | RST38h: ooh, comlogs |
| 10:09.05 | lcuk | excellent is this for another short holiday or for longer this time |
| 10:09.13 | Myrtti | lcuk: month or so |
| 10:09.21 | Myrtti | and no holidays :-P |
| 10:10.50 | BogdanR | Hello |
| 10:11.15 | BogdanR | What file(s) should I remove from OS2008 to make the initial wizzard appear? |
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| 10:12.50 | t_s_o | try control panel -> menu -> tools -> clear device or restore original settings... |
| 10:14.13 | BogdanR | I am interested in doing it from the CLI |
| 10:14.27 | t_s_o | no clue there, why from the cli btw? |
| 10:14.43 | BogdanR | I want to rebuild the image |
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| 10:16.10 | t_s_o | on that modest thing earlier, from what i can tell, modest is not really supposed to background itself, but one can get the same effect by having a connection get triggered that somehow never times out... |
| 10:16.37 | t_s_o | basically, modest is sitting there, trying to connect to the mail server, but never giving up for some odd reason... |
| 10:17.23 | t_s_o | also, one can get the impression that it backgrounds itself by it having a bug ignoring the "do not check mail at a interval" setting... |
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| 10:19.02 | aquatix | hm, Ovi looks rather nice |
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| 10:22.51 | sanjay6976 | hi |
| 10:24.26 | aquatix | so harmattan is fremantle+1? it will likely be an upgrade for rx51? |
| 10:25.18 | lardman | I imagine sp |
| 10:25.19 | lardman | so |
| 10:25.32 | aquatix | as there's a lot of talking on harmattan now |
| 10:25.42 | aquatix | with its widgets, ovi stuff and such |
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| 10:29.23 | lcuk | Myrtti, all work and no play isnt good |
| 10:29.30 | lcuk | whats after harmattan? |
| 10:29.51 | Myrtti | lcuk: Quim was asking for names in Jaiku months ago |
| 10:30.03 | Myrtti | I still think Ilmatar would be nice |
| 10:30.05 | lcuk | i mean content lol |
| 10:30.10 | lcuk | dont we have an app list already |
| 10:30.31 | Myrtti | lcuk: pink unicorns, muffins and cotton candy |
| 10:31.55 | lcuk | ffs at least we will still have a stylus |
| 10:32.08 | lcuk | otherwise unicorns would just be horses |
| 10:33.04 | aquatix | ghehe |
| 10:34.42 | lcuk | needs more cpu power |
| 10:34.42 | lcuk | and more memory |
| 10:34.50 | lcuk | and more test data |
| 10:34.52 | aquatix | compiling stuff? |
| 10:35.32 | lcuk | nahhh i did something last night and it works a treat, i am just on the ragged edge of whats practical on device |
| 10:35.51 | aquatix | ah right :) |
| 10:36.23 | lcuk | it works really nicely but if i put all the bits in i want it gets a bit of lag - especially when loading the first subset |
| 10:37.03 | lcuk | hmmmm thats changable just by the way i do ... |
| 10:37.05 | lcuk | ahhhhh :D |
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| 10:38.02 | amr | my n810 just arrived, with a lock code |
| 10:38.10 | amr | its not the standard '12345' and i dont have the cable to flash it |
| 10:38.12 | amr | advice? :s |
| 10:38.38 | Myrtti | "return to seller" |
| 10:39.07 | amr | the seller sent me an email saying "forgot the cable, ill forward it later today" |
| 10:39.13 | amr | just awaiting his reply regarding the lock code |
| 10:39.21 | StsN800 | try 0000? |
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| 10:39.23 | amr | done |
| 10:39.35 | amr | and 1234, 12345 |
| 10:39.38 | amr | 5555, 55555 |
| 10:39.43 | StsN800 | k |
| 10:39.47 | amr | oh wait |
| 10:39.49 | amr | it was 55555 |
| 10:39.50 | amr | hahaha |
| 10:39.57 | aquatix | nice :) |
| 10:39.58 | amr | whoopsie |
| 10:40.02 | amr | well, i better run |
| 10:40.05 | amr | cheers :) |
| 10:40.22 | StsN800 | i would verify if it was stolen though |
| 10:40.43 | amr | indeed |
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| 10:45.42 | RST38h | heh |
| 10:49.28 | aquatix | hm, if i close modest, it suddenly marks the mail read |
| 10:49.32 | aquatix | so it queues |
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| 10:51.28 | RST38h | it should mark mail read when you open it for reading |
| 10:51.46 | RST38h | whose idea was it to queue this stuff? |
| 10:52.21 | RST38h | (and is there a gconf key to disable this "helpful" feature? =)) |
| 11:04.14 | aquatix | RST38h: yeah exactly |
| 11:04.23 | aquatix | i think it's a feature in the library it uses |
| 11:04.31 | aquatix | to optimise the amount of traffic used |
| 11:04.34 | aquatix | but still... |
| 11:12.27 | RST38h | camel? |
| 11:12.54 | RST38h | loudly wonders if anyone will fix this stuff |
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| 11:37.06 | lcuk | is there anything built directly into maemo to upload a file to ftp |
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| 11:40.14 | t_s_o | not that comes to mind |
| 11:40.26 | t_s_o | tho there are ftp clients to be found... |
| 11:40.42 | BogdanR | I asked earlier what you have to do to see the startup wizzard |
| 11:40.49 | BogdanR | I found that out |
| 11:41.16 | BogdanR | You have to create to files one in tmp and another one in /home/user |
| 11:41.22 | lcuk | t_s_o, i have a file i want to upload back home and the only pathway i have is via ftp |
| 11:41.39 | lcuk | BogdanR, i wouldnt go through all that, id just reflash |
| 11:41.52 | lcuk | problem solved |
| 11:42.08 | BogdanR | it's a 30 seconds operation and maybe sometimes it comes in handy |
| 11:42.17 | lcuk | either that, or if i were mega rich, id just buy a new device every time i wanted to see startup screen |
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| 11:42.53 | lcuk | i cant even remember what it looks like heh |
| 11:43.22 | BogdanR | I am testing Mer now and I can't figure out how to close the calendar once it is opened |
| 11:44.13 | lcuk | mer isnt maemo, and the first boot wizard does other things - like creating a user account.. |
| 11:44.44 | BogdanR | Totally different |
| 11:44.57 | BogdanR | Maemo was 30 minutes ago and now I am testing Mer :) |
| 11:48.55 | BogdanR | How can I install applications to Mer? |
| 11:50.38 | Jaffa | BogdanR: apt-get for random Ubuntu stuff, or the Application Manager as on Maemo |
| 11:51.40 | BogdanR | Yes, but in the application manager the catalogues are empty |
| 11:51.50 | BogdanR | Can I use catalogues from Maemo? |
| 11:52.41 | Jaffa | BogdanR: There's a Mer repo which should contain some stuff, I believe. And you can try Maemo Extras - some things may not work straight off though |
| 11:53.26 | BogdanR | The Mer repo that is installed in the Application manager seems to be empty |
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| 12:01.33 | BogdanR | I added the link to the extras repository in the application manager and nothing shows up |
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| 12:26.14 | lcuk | lardman, any further with pvr |
| 12:26.40 | lcuk | and is it possible to break it into the function sized blocks and let distributed conversion occur |
| 12:27.00 | lcuk | so whether its you alone or if people want to join in and help they can |
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| 12:36.51 | t_s_o | hrmf, how come finefm never wants to install on mer-VM? |
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| 12:39.51 | t_s_o | and on that note, i cant get the fremantle style dialog windows to behave. no amount of clicking outside their area makes them close. only hitting esc on the keyboard seems to do the trick... |
| 12:41.16 | aquatix | anyone know whether fremantle can sync with ovi? |
| 12:41.53 | Corsac | (what's ovi?) |
| 12:42.05 | Corsac | (it'd be nice if fremantle had real sync and pda capabilities :/) |
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| 13:02.49 | RST38h | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/22/sperm_whale_blaggers_cctv/ |
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| 13:11.23 | fiferboy | lbt: Are infinite loops that delay the start up of all Qt programs indefinitely desirable? |
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| 13:37.30 | andrewfblack | hell |
| 13:37.33 | andrewfblack | o |
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| 13:44.34 | murrayc | t_s_o: You should really put a small-as-possible test case in bugzilla then. |
| 13:44.52 | t_s_o | huh? |
| 13:45.41 | murrayc | t_s_o: About the dialogs not closing. |
| 13:46.50 | rkirti | May I know what replaces libgpsbt and libgpsmgr in the latest maemo versions ? |
| 13:46.58 | t_s_o | how about this, open up app manager, open up catalogs dialog, try to click outside it, nothing happens... |
| 13:47.06 | GAN800 | liblocation? |
| 13:48.28 | danielwilms | t_s_o: have a look here http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/liblocation/ |
| 13:48.55 | t_s_o | danielwilms: wrong person ;) |
| 13:49.29 | danielwilms | haha ups...damn copy and paste :D |
| 13:49.46 | danielwilms | rkirti: have a look here http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/liblocation/ |
| 13:49.52 | danielwilms | ahhh :) |
| 13:51.04 | rkirti | danielwilms, GAN800 : thanks. I couldnt find the source/bin. blob in the diablo repo, maybe I should be looking somewhere else |
| 13:51.37 | GAN800 | rkirti, Diablo arguably isn't 'latest' |
| 13:51.38 | lopz | hola |
| 13:52.02 | GAN800 | Whether you're after Diablo or Fremantle is important. |
| 13:52.23 | VDVsx | and liblocation is not OSS atm |
| 13:52.31 | rkirti | GAN800: fair point. my fault there. I am building stuff for diablo (to get started with) |
| 13:53.45 | danielwilms | yep...liblocation is a closed component |
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| 13:56.44 | amr | hello :) |
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| 14:02.44 | rkirti | ok. this sounds really silly, but 'it' (== the binary and/or devel headers of liblocation which a full build of diablo should contain) doesnt seem to be in the main diablo or extras-devel repo... |
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| 14:04.36 | amr | n810 is cool. |
| 14:05.38 | rkirti | oops. somebody has asked the same question before. Its not in the repo.(wonder why devel-headers cant be in the repo) |
| 14:05.47 | danielwilms | rkirti sorry, I've overread that you are developing in diablo...liblocation api is new in fremantle |
| 14:06.12 | rkirti | danielwilms: I see. thanks for that info. |
| 14:06.56 | danielwilms | rkirti no problem...and now I will go into the weekend :) bye bye |
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| 14:11.33 | amr | is it just me that has problems accessing the maemo site on a tablet? |
| 14:11.39 | amr | i did on my 770 and now i am on my n810 |
| 14:11.53 | amr | totally different connections & places |
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| 14:17.39 | GAN800 | amr, 'problems'? |
| 14:17.48 | amr | well, it doesn't load |
| 14:19.24 | GAN800 | It doesn't connect? It shows a blank screen? It throws an error? |
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| 14:20.11 | amr | one sec and ill try again |
| 14:20.15 | amr | im fairly sure it just doesnt connect |
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| 15:21.39 | andrewfblack | sure is quiet today |
| 15:21.42 | amr | idd |
| 15:21.48 | amr | im playing with my new n810 :) |
| 15:22.37 | andrewfblack | exciting when you first get it isn't it :) |
| 15:22.42 | amr | yeah, very |
| 15:22.52 | amr | infinitely better than my broken 770 |
| 15:23.08 | andrewfblack | lol yeah thats am upgrade alright |
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| 15:23.41 | amr | well that was weird |
| 15:23.44 | amr | my macbook just logged itself out |
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| 15:37.59 | coldboot | How can you partition the /dev/mmcblk0p1 device on a nokia n810 device? |
| 15:38.15 | coldboot | With cfdisk I get "fatal error; Bad primary partition 0: partition begins after end-of-disk" |
| 15:39.19 | n6pfk | Hi, I get know audio alerts using chat. Is there a fix? |
| 15:41.55 | amr | hmm, i hope this is my wireless being funky in my room |
| 15:42.04 | amr | i cant seem to connect to anything besides standard http requests |
| 15:42.07 | amr | on port 80 |
| 15:44.27 | jeremiah | n6pfk: Did you change your settings on your device? You can turn off and on different types of notification. |
| 15:44.42 | jeremiah | amr: Hard to diagnose from here. :P |
| 15:45.47 | amr | indeed |
| 15:45.54 | amr | i'll use the property uni wireless later |
| 15:45.58 | amr | see if it's the same problem |
| 15:47.27 | jeremiah | It sounds to me as if someone is blocking ports |
| 15:47.42 | jeremiah | But if you can get a shell you can do some telneting. |
| 15:48.16 | amr | well what im doing is sharing the wired internet in my room |
| 15:48.21 | amr | through my laptops wireless |
| 15:48.27 | amr | and its being flakey |
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| 15:51.12 | jeremiah | amr: Ah. |
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| 15:56.14 | n6pfk | Yes I set the alerts in settings. |
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| 16:02.07 | amr | hmmm |
| 16:02.18 | amr | tring to install rootsh |
| 16:02.28 | amr | stuck @ 50% on preaparing |
| 16:02.33 | amr | wont advance |
| 16:03.10 | amr | :/ |
| 16:03.56 | amr | oh, after 5 minutes it progresses :p |
| 16:04.04 | amr | i wonder what took so long |
| 16:08.15 | nomis | amr: one possible explantation might be, that it generated the host key and that the entropy pool was exhausted. |
| 16:13.08 | coldboot | I've got scratchbox 2, and in the armel target it's not using the optimized compiler, it's using /usr/bin/gcc which is really slow. |
| 16:13.14 | coldboot | How would I fix that? |
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| 16:14.46 | jeremiah | coldboot: Hmm, good question. I don't know the answer off the top of my head. Did you change your target in scratchbox? |
| 16:15.00 | coldboot | jeremiah: Yeah I'm in the armel target for sure. |
| 16:15.08 | coldboot | This is scratchbox2 remember, it's very different from 1. |
| 16:15.14 | jeremiah | coldboot: Which OS, diablo or fremantle |
| 16:15.38 | coldboot | jeremiah: Diablo |
| 16:15.47 | jeremiah | Yeah, I am just going to confuse your more since I don't know the answer. |
| 16:16.02 | jeremiah | But I remember reading somewhere that the optimized compiler should be the default |
| 16:16.25 | coldboot | Well yeah. ;) |
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| 16:30.34 | jasonlife | I'm wondering what people normally do with N810.. After a few months of purchasing nokia, i'm not kind of really into it anymore.. :P |
| 16:30.52 | jasonlife | What do you do with your nokia guys? |
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| 16:32.41 | Proteous | I use mine for a gps in the car |
| 16:32.42 | coldboot | jasonlife: To be honest, I think it really sucks. |
| 16:33.13 | Proteous | I listen to a ton of podcasts on it in bed |
| 16:33.33 | coldboot | It's big, clunky, heavy, has crappy disk capacity, the interface doesn't really have any advantages over Blackberry or iPhone, it doesn't have a cell radio... |
| 16:33.39 | Proteous | I'm ircing on it right now since my computer is off |
| 16:33.49 | coldboot | The keyboard is one of the worst I've ever seen on a mobile device, even worse than the fake iPhone keyboard. |
| 16:34.03 | coldboot | Not many people develop for the thing. |
| 16:34.20 | Proteous | I'm pretty quick on the keypad |
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| 16:34.31 | Razumihin | It's not that bad really |
| 16:34.35 | Proteous | faster then on an iphone anyway |
| 16:34.54 | Razumihin | And I use n810 for small journal notebook replacement. |
| 16:35.01 | Proteous | but I @9$?5 92$ !$ 80/9$3 |
| 16:35.02 | Razumihin | (and also read ebooks) |
| 16:35.07 | Proteous | #(heh |
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| 16:35.44 | Proteous | sometimes I press the func key twice and get gibberish |
| 16:35.53 | Proteous | it's exciting |
| 16:36.14 | Razumihin | Yeah. That happens. |
| 16:36.42 | Proteous | my soon to be ariving n97 will replace my n810 as an in pocket device |
| 16:36.44 | Razumihin | My biggest complaints for n810 is still the keyboard and cpu speed. |
| 16:36.57 | jasonlife | hmm. can't find really good killer apps on it.. |
| 16:37.04 | Razumihin | Everything i've used have too small screen. |
| 16:37.12 | Proteous | ssh is my killer app |
| 16:37.13 | Razumihin | vim/emacs :) |
| 16:37.27 | Proteous | that and tversity upnp streaming |
| 16:37.28 | Razumihin | also firefox with vimperator ;) |
| 16:37.28 | jasonlife | what do you do with vim? I wonder |
| 16:38.08 | Razumihin | Pretty much everything. Editing small parts of text usually. |
| 16:38.09 | GAN800 | jasonlife, GPS, ebooks, podcasts, movies, remote TV streaming, web browsing, email, mobile games, mobile IRC. |
| 16:38.41 | GAN800 | coldboot, you, apparently, haven't used many Blackberries or iPhones. |
| 16:38.46 | Proteous | I wish the n810 had a better dpad for games |
| 16:38.47 | Razumihin | n810 is more eeepc replacement than smartphone replacement for me. |
| 16:39.03 | Proteous | sine it's not a phone... |
| 16:39.07 | Proteous | since |
| 16:39.09 | jasonlife | Is firefox working on n810? |
| 16:39.16 | Razumihin | With debian yes. |
| 16:39.22 | GAN800 | jasonlife, default browser is Gecko. |
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| 16:39.28 | Razumihin | Somewhat slow, but enough for me ;) |
| 16:39.29 | dev-zero | hi everyone |
| 16:39.33 | jasonlife | yes,, I'm using Gecko now.. |
| 16:39.36 | coldboot | GAN800: The blackberry keyboard is the best. |
| 16:39.49 | Razumihin | There's no better than Nokia 9500 |
| 16:39.50 | coldboot | GAN800: I've had a blackberry for 2 years, and I've got an iPod touch. |
| 16:39.57 | Razumihin | (i'm still ysing) |
| 16:39.58 | GAN800 | coldboot, UI-wise. |
| 16:40.08 | GAN800 | iPod can't multitask. |
| 16:40.10 | dev-zero | does somebody know whether it's possible to have a PAN connection with the N770 over bluetooth (doesn't matter what firmware, just one)? |
| 16:40.19 | coldboot | GAN800: Yeah that does suck, I really hate that about the iPhone. |
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| 16:40.34 | coldboot | GAN800: I can get so much done so quickly with the blackberry, though, as long as it's not media related. |
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| 16:40.45 | Proteous | I've done DUN on my 770 |
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| 16:41.19 | Razumihin | But nowadays maemo is still more nerdish gadget. It hasn't got flashy menus like iPod touch, but for cs guy like me it's lot better. |
| 16:41.22 | Proteous | but my phone doesn't do pan |
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| 16:42.19 | Proteous | I don't do anything on my 770 anymore due to the WSOD |
| 16:42.38 | coldboot | I think the platform's going to die. |
| 16:42.53 | Proteous | I think you are going to die |
| 16:42.59 | jasonlife | kiki |
| 16:43.00 | Proteous | eventualy... |
| 16:43.21 | jasonlife | every platform's going to die |
| 16:43.28 | Razumihin | Maemo? |
| 16:43.48 | Proteous | maemo.. m a e m maaaaemoooo |
| 16:43.59 | coldboot | For the pedantic, I meant the nokia Internet tablets are going to die out very soon. |
| 16:44.08 | Proteous | (sung to the tune of lola) |
| 16:44.10 | GAN800 | Razumihin, seen the Fremantle Modest screencast? |
| 16:44.15 | coldboot | Or just remain in obscurity for a while. |
| 16:44.18 | coldboot | As they are now. |
| 16:44.20 | Razumihin | GAN800: Nope |
| 16:44.40 | Proteous | I PRREDICT MORE OF THE SAME |
| 16:44.44 | GAN800 | coldboot, considering Nokia is likely to replace S60 with it in their high-end phones I think you're confused. |
| 16:44.50 | Razumihin | Yes tablets are going to die and they will grow phone capabilities :) |
| 16:45.06 | Razumihin | GAN800: Oh, it spoke about that. Yes I read the interview from nokia. |
| 16:45.07 | yerga | The aliens are coming in this same instant to kill Maemo |
| 16:45.23 | GAN800 | Check it out, there's a link to YouTube from the Ars article on the beta SDK. |
| 16:45.41 | Razumihin | And yes, maemo is lot better than S60 |
| 16:45.45 | coldboot | GAN800: That does look more promising. But that S60 thing is huge. |
| 16:45.51 | Razumihin | for users and codes alike. |
| 16:45.52 | Proteous | nokia stopped making the n810 and took a 90percent profit drop, I think they learned thier leason |
| 16:46.09 | Razumihin | coldboot: Nobody really WANTS to program anythin to s60 |
| 16:46.14 | Razumihin | it's just pure shit. |
| 16:46.28 | Razumihin | Maemo on the other hand is quite pleasant to develop |
| 16:46.29 | Proteous | MMMMmmm pure shitt |
| 16:47.09 | StsN800 | Razumihin, but could be nicer |
| 16:47.51 | Razumihin | StsN800: Yes, but it's lightyears away from symbians. |
| 16:47.58 | Razumihin | So I don't complain :) |
| 16:48.50 | Razumihin | I love that it uses normal arm linux, lot easier to port desktop applications. |
| 16:49.06 | Razumihin | Hope that they put more processing power to the next model. |
| 16:49.20 | Jaffa | OMAP3430. Lots more juice |
| 16:49.27 | amr | <nomis> amr: one possible explantation might be, that it generated the host key and that the entropy pool was exhausted. |
| 16:49.27 | amr | say what |
| 16:50.47 | StsN800 | sounds correct |
| 16:50.52 | Razumihin | Yes. Those new omaps look promising |
| 16:51.16 | Razumihin | I wouldn't like to have those intel atom chis inside it. |
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| 16:57.18 | Mikho | would somebody know how could I run a program inside scratchbox, from terminal, without using run-standalone.sh? |
| 16:57.38 | Mikho | if my program requires the dbus operates properly |
| 16:58.19 | Mikho | run-standalone seems to connect my program to some other dbus than the one running inside scratchbox |
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| 17:16.47 | coldboot | How do you install fdisk on the nokia n810 in Diablo? |
| 17:17.19 | coldboot | It says it needs util-linux, which says it needs sysvinit, which won't be installed. |
| 17:17.36 | GAN800 | sfdisk |
| 17:19.03 | coldboot | cfdisk seemed to start working now. |
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| 17:44.32 | andrewfblack | is bored |
| 17:45.20 | StsN800 | too |
| 17:45.25 | lcuk | andrewfblack, you seen the moblin overview thingy |
| 17:46.06 | RST38h | moo all |
| 17:46.12 | lcuk | hi there rst |
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| 17:48.13 | RST38h | heya lcuk |
| 17:48.50 | lcuk | you got anything more planned for your ti range |
| 17:48.59 | lcuk | or have you exhausted that product line |
| 17:49.23 | RST38h | well, I am planning on getting ti83+se, ti84+, and ti84+se working as soon as I get the firmware (Stskeeps, you promised) |
| 17:49.38 | andrewfblack | lcuk: yeah I've seen it |
| 17:49.40 | RST38h | And TiLink emulation for loading software |
| 17:50.09 | lcuk | cool, in progress or next on the todo |
| 17:50.31 | RST38h | TiLink I have partially implemented |
| 17:50.41 | RST38h | Absolutely out of time though, too much other work |
| 17:50.45 | lcuk | andrewfblack, what do you think |
| 17:50.53 | lcuk | RST38h, same with everything |
| 17:51.06 | lcuk | whats on your plate then |
| 17:51.29 | lcuk | has about 10 gazillion things as well |
| 17:51.53 | RST38h | contract work |
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| 17:54.21 | lcuk | thats a good thing :) |
| 17:54.41 | oDuda | hello hello hello... |
| 17:54.59 | RST38h | "Exposure to radio waves causes item to type at high speed any information being transmitted over said radio waves." |
| 17:55.08 | andrewfblack | Got to figure out what to do at work now that I'm done with Minimalist theme again |
| 17:55.16 | lcuk | oDuda has been kicked : excessive flood on greeting |
| 17:55.29 | oDuda | what ? |
| 17:55.40 | oDuda | its serious ? |
| 17:55.46 | lcuk | RST38h :D that sounds wicked |
| 17:55.53 | lcuk | shame oDuda didnt last long |
| 17:55.58 | RST38h | "Item was approached by group of ten (10) scientists, at which point all keys began typing frantically in an unknown language." |
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| 17:57.22 | oDuda | lcuk hl |
| 17:58.13 | oDuda | lcuk hl=abreviated form of hello...lol |
| 18:01.28 | lcuk | lol oDuda |
| 18:01.33 | fiferboy | lbt: Hi? |
| 18:01.41 | lcuk | hiya fiferboy \o |
| 18:01.47 | lcuk | isnt lbt tho |
| 18:02.30 | fiferboy | Okay, it took (a lot) longer than I thought it would, but I have added FingerScrollBars as a property that can be overridden on a widget-by-widget basis, or globally on QApplication |
| 18:02.46 | lcuk | very nice! |
| 18:03.11 | lcuk | adding a global feature to anything thats got years of preexisting api expectance is tricky |
| 18:04.17 | coldboot | For some reason I can't set partitions in fstab to mount "auto". When I try to mount them, it says mounting failed when the "auto" option is present. |
| 18:04.28 | coldboot | This is on a nokia n810, any ideas why it can't mount auto? |
| 18:04.50 | StsN800 | ext2.3,jbd, etc not loaded |
| 18:05.57 | coldboot | StsN800: You mean during boot? |
| 18:06.12 | StsN800 | correct |
| 18:06.16 | oDuda | can i use maemo theme to create (from) theme to mer ? |
| 18:06.22 | StsN800 | no depmod active |
| 18:06.33 | coldboot | StsN800: But even after I've booted, it won't mount with the auto option present. |
| 18:06.57 | fiferboy | lbt: Email with source files sent |
| 18:07.05 | lcuk | oDuda, the theme is linked to the positions of the stuff around the desktop (mantlepiece?) and so not directly |
| 18:07.11 | lcuk | i think anyway |
| 18:07.39 | oDuda | lcuk ty - what theme can i use to start from ? |
| 18:08.19 | lcuk | i dunno, ask in #mer or StsN800 here lol |
| 18:08.39 | oDuda | oh yeah ! |
| 18:10.56 | oDuda | StsN800 - where can i get a Mer theme to make (change) a new one ? |
| 18:10.56 | StsN800 | http://zenvoid.org/tmp/theme/ |
| 18:10.56 | oDuda | ty boy ! |
| 18:10.56 | lcuk | heh Sts |
| 18:10.56 | lcuk | you need merbot to just mirror stuff you say |
| 18:12.30 | coldboot | StsN800: Do you know how to get it to automatically mount partitions on boot? |
| 18:14.45 | StsN800 | coldboot, not using maemo .. add insmod of ext2,3,jbd,mbcache in a init script and mount there |
| 18:17.10 | coldboot | StsN800: In an rc*.d script, you mean? |
| 18:17.48 | StsN800 | yeah |
| 18:18.04 | StsN800 | i dislike parts of maemo |
| 18:18.21 | coldboot | What about in /etc/modprobe.d? |
| 18:18.41 | StsN800 | not used afaik |
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| 18:20.10 | coldboot | StsN800: I'm trying to remount /usr on the 2 gig sd card that's stuck in the device, since the stupid thing only comes with a 256mb main drive. |
| 18:20.25 | coldboot | That's why I'm trying to do this, so I can remount /usr somewhere else. |
| 18:20.30 | coldboot | Is there a better way to do this? |
| 18:20.38 | StsN800 | compressed. honestly, clone to sd instead |
| 18:20.50 | StsN800 | its well proven solution |
| 18:20.50 | coldboot | Clone to sd? |
| 18:21.09 | coldboot | What do you mean? |
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| 18:26.35 | coldboot | StsN800: This: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=8631 ? |
| 18:26.49 | yerga | is previewing the first fremantle hot discussion on -developers |
| 18:31.37 | RST38h | Stskeeps: 84+ BIOS? |
| 18:31.40 | RST38h | please? |
| 18:32.29 | StsN800 | RST38h, not at home sorry |
| 18:32.38 | StsN800 | 200km away from it |
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| 18:33.20 | RST38h | ah, I have almost forgotten |
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| 18:47.13 | coldboot | This nupgrade script is awful. |
| 18:48.03 | StsN800 | pengunbait console tools might be better |
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| 18:52.02 | coldboot | StsN800: Do you have a current guide for cloning to the SD card? |
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| 18:52.26 | lcuk | coldboot, wiki |
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| 18:54.52 | coldboot | Yeah it doesn't work, nupgrade.sh says it can't find a device with a linux(83) partition on it. |
| 18:55.03 | coldboot | It's also trying to access /dev/mmcblk1, which doesn't exist on my device. |
| 18:55.13 | coldboot | The script just makes a bunch of assumptions. |
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| 19:01.19 | coldboot | There's a bug in the nupgrade script. |
| 19:01.25 | coldboot | Really crappy search and replace employed in there. |
| 19:02.19 | RST38h | is going to hack 5800 into installing the latest firmware |
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| 19:10.13 | VDVsx | @maemo-devel -> "You can use the keyboard to copy and paste. There are shift and arrows keys." |
| 19:10.16 | VDVsx | d-pad :P |
| 19:10.17 | VDVsx | lol |
| 19:16.15 | StsN800 | yay dpad |
| 19:19.14 | Macer | i am watching kung fu the legend continues |
| 19:19.23 | kfx | condolences |
| 19:19.26 | Macer | it is like a flashback to the early 90s |
| 19:19.31 | Macer | :) |
| 19:19.34 | Macer | no. i love older stuff |
| 19:20.11 | Macer | older stuff cracks me up. what makes it even worse is that you can tell they just started to use video encoding when it was encoded |
| 19:20.17 | Macer | it's like super low res and blocky and shit :) |
| 19:25.20 | RST38h | Ahhhaa! It found an update! |
| 19:25.26 | coldboot | Have you guys got gdb running successfully on the nokia n810? |
| 19:26.06 | RST38h | prays to the Tentacled One to finish the update successfully |
| 19:27.01 | mgedmin | I remember a wiki page explaining about gdb... |
| 19:27.22 | mgedmin | you need to rebuild the stuff without frame pointer optimizations or some such to get reliable backtraces |
| 19:27.48 | coldboot | How about getting it to simply execute the application? It just sits there for several minutes for me without doing anything. |
| 19:28.17 | coldboot | Zero pages that match "gdb" on maemo's wiki. |
| 19:29.25 | coldboot | Okay the Maemo wiki's text search is completely broken. |
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| 19:34.00 | RST38h | Hmm...update succeeded but bluetooth still does not work |
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| 19:34.42 | coldboot | Where is the af-sb-init.sh script? |
| 19:35.44 | coldboot | Nevermind, it's in scratchbox. |
| 19:36.03 | coldboot | How do you get gdb running on an n810? |
| 19:36.09 | coldboot | Have any of you ever done it successfully? |
| 19:36.41 | mgedmin | there's a tools repo that has gdb |
| 19:37.15 | mgedmin | I have it installed, I don't recall ever using it |
| 19:37.33 | mgedmin | the "you need to rebuild stuff with different compiler flags" stops me :) |
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| 19:37.45 | coldboot | I wonder why this all can't be simple. |
| 19:37.57 | mgedmin | because you have to work to make things simple |
| 19:38.03 | coldboot | Developing for this thing is a pain in the ass. |
| 19:38.09 | matan | is away: I'm busy |
| 19:38.32 | mgedmin | Ubuntu *almost* has it: everything they ship is built from sources on their build machines; the build process produces debug symbols in separate .deb packages |
| 19:38.47 | mgedmin | to debug stuff, you add a repo, apt-get install the necessary -dbgsym packages, and start gdb |
| 19:39.06 | mgedmin | where this breaks down: you have to manually figure out *which* -dbgsym packages you need (for the app and all the libraries) |
| 19:39.17 | coldboot | That's not that bad. |
| 19:39.24 | mgedmin | also they have -updates, -proposed, and -backports repositores that often don't have -dbgsym packages |
| 19:39.24 | coldboot | There should be a script that does it automatically. |
| 19:39.27 | mgedmin | not to mention PPAs |
| 19:39.28 | coldboot | Like apt-get build-dep |
| 19:39.31 | coldboot | There should be apt-get debug-dep |
| 19:39.49 | coldboot | But for me, on this stupid nokia device, gdb just sits there when asked to run a program that runs fine without gdb. |
| 19:40.12 | mgedmin | I wouldn't mind a patch to gdb saying "you're missing debug packages for libfoo, libbar, libbaz. Do you want to install those? [y/N]" |
| 19:40.28 | coldboot | mgedmin: User friendlyness is not gdb's philosophy. |
| 19:40.34 | coldboot | But yeah, that would be great. |
| 19:40.52 | mgedmin | but it is Ubuntu's philosophy, that's why I said "a patch" :) |
| 19:41.10 | mgedmin | http://maemo.org/development/tools/doc/diablo/gdb/ suggests looking at http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node15.html |
| 19:41.45 | mgedmin | the maemo_launcher stuff also makes debugging harder, which is a cost for optimizing app startup time |
| 19:41.53 | mgedmin | I'm all for optimizing app startup time |
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| 19:42.15 | StsN800 | and mem usage |
| 19:42.51 | parigaudi | hi |
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| 19:43.42 | parigaudi | how do i install the maemo sdk on a NON-debian based linux distro (e.g. mandriva) ? |
| 19:44.41 | parigaudi | isn't there some distribution-independent generic installer available? |
| 19:44.53 | mgedmin | I think there is, but I don't remember |
| 19:45.09 | StsN800 | theres a guide on it afaik |
| 19:46.58 | parigaudi | what i found looks more like there WAS in some earlier version of the sdk, but this one not: |
| 19:47.00 | parigaudi | https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=3186&group_id=528&atid=1985 |
| 19:47.18 | mgedmin | which SDK version do you want to install? |
| 19:48.32 | RST38h | parigaudi: if you want things to work, you need to use one of officially supported distros |
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| 19:49.41 | parigaudi | ... being: debian and derivatives only? |
| 19:49.50 | RST38h | more or less |
| 19:51.36 | parigaudi | wow. that kinda sux. i mean, i do understand that it's easier to not have to deal with multiple distros, but this kinda forces most of the linux developers to install a second distro just for that or not develop for maemo |
| 19:52.02 | StsN800 | i'm with you on tthat one, parigaudi |
| 19:53.52 | parigaudi | as a side reference: even windows mobile development (including the ms device emulator) works fine from any linux distro |
| 19:54.01 | coldboot | Wow |
| 19:54.04 | coldboot | I'm amazed. |
| 19:55.37 | StsN800 | mm? |
| 19:56.08 | StsN800 | parigaudi, part reason why i started the mer project |
| 19:57.41 | mgedmin | is surprised to hear that only debian+derivatives are officially supported |
| 19:58.29 | coldboot | This link: http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/download/host/dists/ubuntu-intrepid/free/binary-i386/Packages.gz |
| 19:58.39 | coldboot | Is broken, and the Scratchbox 2 install script depends on it. |
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| 19:58.53 | coldboot | The maemo-sdk-installer, that is. |
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| 19:59.49 | coldboot | What happened to http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/download/host ? |
| 20:02.58 | matan | is back (gone 00:24:48) |
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| 20:18.21 | coldboot | Is anyone using Scratchbox 2 here? |
| 20:19.37 | mgedmin | I tried it a while ago |
| 20:19.50 | mgedmin | well, more specifically, I tried maemo-sdk-plus or whatever it was called |
| 20:19.59 | mgedmin | it was based on scratchbox 2 |
| 20:20.10 | mgedmin | you couldn't run apt-get install anything inside it, which was a downside |
| 20:20.13 | mgedmin | maybe it's been fixed since then |
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| 20:21.52 | coldboot | It has. |
| 20:22.07 | coldboot | But my scratchbox 2 is running the native arm gcc, which is slow as hell. |
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| 20:45.15 | Macer | blah |
| 20:48.23 | Myrtti | would you like to switch your internet service providings to a providings that provides your internet service providings better than your current internet service providings? |
| 20:49.14 | mgedmin | was that a spam? |
| 20:49.17 | lcuk | Myrtti, :) do you wanna see what ive been doing |
| 20:49.18 | jasonlife | OTL |
| 20:49.23 | lcuk | oooh and you mariua :D |
| 20:49.57 | Myrtti | mgedmin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8woC9B30zE |
| 20:50.03 | lcuk | s |
| 20:50.04 | Myrtti | lcuk: sure? |
| 20:50.34 | lcuk | heh i would normally post on jaiku but ive moved out :$ |
| 20:50.35 | lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt7qB37sLLo |
| 20:51.12 | crashanddie | Myrtti, it's "internet service providER" |
| 20:51.41 | Myrtti | crashanddie: why are you bullying me?! |
| 20:51.54 | crashanddie | not bullying, just correcting |
| 20:52.00 | lcuk | crashanddie, complain at the vid itself and listen to it |
| 20:52.04 | Myrtti | crashanddie: FAIL! |
| 20:52.27 | mgedmin | Myrtti: if you put quotation marks around quotes, people wouldn't assume it was you who said them :-) |
| 20:52.39 | Myrtti | mgedmin: but that would RUIN the fun |
| 20:52.51 | mgedmin | "I can speak English just fine-ings" :-) |
| 20:54.12 | Myrtti | Doovdé |
| 20:55.02 | jasonlife | nol-gu-it-nae |
| 20:56.01 | parigaudi | btw, do you guys have any info on when the n810 successor (n900? rx-51?) will come out and how much it will cost? |
| 20:56.34 | ShadowJK | I'm guessing September and 600 |
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| 20:56.39 | mgedmin | lcuk: the zoom in/out effect is sweet! |
| 20:56.42 | ShadowJK | there's a forum thread for making bets :) |
| 20:56.49 | ShadowJK | though I haven't participated |
| 20:57.09 | crashanddie | there's actual bets |
| 20:57.10 | crashanddie | ? |
| 20:57.22 | ShadowJK | i don't remember.. |
| 20:57.41 | crashanddie | or just a win-a-day-of-fame kind of bet? |
| 20:57.53 | parigaudi | $600 ouch that would hurt |
| 20:57.57 | ShadowJK | crashanddie, probably |
| 20:58.25 | ShadowJK | parigaudi, depends what you mean by "how much" too... these things drop in price continously after release.. |
| 20:58.49 | parigaudi | indeed. the n810 is at a nice price now |
| 20:58.57 | lcuk | mgedmin, :) |
| 20:58.59 | crashanddie | how many years after release? |
| 20:59.09 | parigaudi | that's the prob |
| 20:59.41 | crashanddie | I don't care, if it comes out and Nokia proves again it's not confused about making it a phone, I'm game and buy it whatever the price |
| 20:59.44 | ShadowJK | and the N97 has been dropping in price even before the release heh |
| 21:00.11 | ShadowJK | My guess is no regular gsm/3g voice :-) |
| 21:00.38 | Macer | kung fu the legend continues came out 17 years ago |
| 21:00.55 | Macer | i feel old :( |
| 21:01.16 | parigaudi | why not regular gsm/3g voice? |
| 21:01.26 | crashanddie | parigaudi, because it would be absolute shite? |
| 21:01.35 | parigaudi | how that? |
| 21:01.42 | crashanddie | speak englese? |
| 21:02.11 | Macer | hm. just out of curiousity the new tablet will have an hspda modem correct? |
| 21:02.14 | ShadowJK | parigaudi, I am guessing they don't want maemo to "take over" from symbian yet. |
| 21:02.26 | ShadowJK | Macer, yes it's believed so |
| 21:02.29 | crashanddie | ShadowJK, I don't want a bloody phone in there |
| 21:02.34 | ShadowJK | since nokia has code for it |
| 21:02.38 | Macer | hm.. so it can make direct phone calls? |
| 21:02.43 | ShadowJK | Macer, not necessarily? |
| 21:02.45 | crashanddie | Macer, nope |
| 21:02.48 | parigaudi | i mean, nobody forces you to use that feature if it has it, and having hdspa without being able to phone kinda forces you to have two devices with you where you could have all in one |
| 21:02.50 | Macer | well. that sucks :) |
| 21:03.01 | ShadowJK | I mean, go buy a huawei modem and see if you can figure out how to make it do a regular call |
| 21:03.02 | crashanddie | parigaudi, ok, lemme get this straight |
| 21:03.02 | mgedmin | had crashanddie's reaction to bloody hardware keyboards, and changed his minds 15 minutes after getting a n810 |
| 21:03.08 | Macer | so you pop a sim into it just to have something that can't be used for voice? |
| 21:03.10 | mgedmin | um, his mind |
| 21:03.13 | Macer | i mean there's always skype but still |
| 21:03.14 | mgedmin | I only got one |
| 21:03.18 | ShadowJK | Macer, yeah like on laptops with 3G |
| 21:03.23 | ShadowJK | that just give you internets |
| 21:03.36 | crashanddie | mgedmin, actually, I still think the keyboard on the n810 is shit |
| 21:03.38 | Macer | ShadowJK: hm. usually that would require a seperate acct/payment |
| 21:03.47 | mgedmin | crashanddie: do you have one? |
| 21:03.52 | parigaudi | the fact of having to carry around two devices (which are close to the same hardware-wise) is kinda pointless |
| 21:03.54 | crashanddie | mgedmin, yup |
| 21:03.55 | Macer | ah well :) |
| 21:04.00 | ShadowJK | dunno, I can get 4 parallell sim cards to my primary account :) |
| 21:04.04 | mgedmin | do you think the n810 would be a better device without it? |
| 21:04.09 | Macer | ShadowJK: i never tried that |
| 21:04.12 | crashanddie | mgedmin, probably |
| 21:04.13 | Macer | wonder if tmob does it |
| 21:04.21 | mgedmin | all I can say is: I admire your principles |
| 21:04.33 | Macer | then again though. if android gets a little better there won't be a need for the newer tablet |
| 21:04.42 | Macer | like if it had cups |
| 21:04.55 | crashanddie | mgedmin, less bulkier, no slider, so we could probably have had a bigger battery or GPS antenna |
| 21:05.03 | Macer | i want cups on my damn phone :) |
| 21:05.16 | mgedmin | hmm |
| 21:05.21 | ShadowJK | I don't find android attractive at all to me.. atleast not with the current tivoized devices and java-only :) |
| 21:05.22 | lcuk | i have refound the power of the n810 keyboard :) |
| 21:05.45 | ShadowJK | I love maemo because most of the regular desktop software I use works on it |
| 21:06.03 | crashanddie | mgedmin, and also: I was probably in a fanboi mode 15 minutes after getting the n810, truth be told, I booted my n810 for the first time in months yesterday |
| 21:06.05 | Macer | ShadowJK: heh well... it has some linux stuff on it also ;) |
| 21:06.13 | parigaudi | ShadowJK: exactly that pseudo-open java-only not-so-really-linux is kinda the total shit about android |
| 21:06.48 | crashanddie | parigaudi, pseudo-java as well |
| 21:06.49 | mgedmin | crashanddie: if I weren't reading e-books on mine, it'd probably also be lying in a drawer for months |
| 21:06.50 | Macer | parigaudi: haha |
| 21:06.51 | ShadowJK | parigaudi, agreed |
| 21:07.00 | parigaudi | crashanddie: indeed |
| 21:07.06 | Macer | ShadowJK: but it can be used on a phone ;) |
| 21:07.15 | Macer | once it gets androffice and cups it will be awesome |
| 21:07.19 | crashanddie | parigaudi, though, iPhone isn't any better, with all the obj-C going round |
| 21:07.21 | Macer | maybe a few more apps |
| 21:07.32 | parigaudi | Macer: that's the one big plus: you don't have to carry around _two_ devices |
| 21:07.40 | Macer | parigaudi: yeah |
| 21:07.41 | ShadowJK | I wonder how long until someone makes Mer able to do calls on the Freerunner :) |
| 21:07.48 | Macer | parigaudi: well. you need a bluetooth keyboard |
| 21:07.50 | crashanddie | though, people, we have to agree on something: people insisting on developing a whole app in Python on a 400 Mhz CPU? Seriously, they're just being masochists |
| 21:07.56 | parigaudi | crashanddie: and apple holding developers in an iron grip |
| 21:08.12 | Macer | but i would rather carry a bt keyboard and G1 than a phone bt keyboard and tablet |
| 21:08.15 | parigaudi | Macer: why the bluetooth keyboard? |
| 21:08.22 | Macer | parigaudi: for the office app ;) |
| 21:08.27 | Macer | i was using my n800 for school |
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| 21:08.37 | Macer | so i didn't have to carry a laptop. everything would fit in my pockets |
| 21:08.43 | ShadowJK | rarely carries his N800 and N810 anywhere |
| 21:08.44 | crashanddie | I don't know what kind of work you guys are doing, but I could never use my n810 for work... |
| 21:08.51 | Macer | would even make pdfs of my books so i wouldn't have to carry those either |
| 21:08.53 | ShadowJK | but I use them heavily, mostly at home |
| 21:08.56 | Macer | heh |
| 21:09.12 | Macer | especially after it got cups |
| 21:09.21 | Macer | cups was awesome on the n800. i could just show up at home and print over wifi |
| 21:09.34 | crashanddie | you've got a cups server at home? |
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| 21:09.50 | Macer | er...i have a wifi laser printer .. cups supports it |
| 21:09.54 | parigaudi | me neither, i want a device that goes into a pocket, not an office system (when i want to do office stuff, i have a computer, when i'm mobile i wan't something really mobile) |
| 21:09.56 | crashanddie | oh man, and I thought I was a geek |
| 21:09.59 | Macer | the n800 had cups on it for the printing |
| 21:10.16 | Macer | parigaudi: well.. the n800 was good for that for the most part |
| 21:10.51 | ShadowJK | when I'm mobile I make do with putty on my E70 :/ |
| 21:11.00 | parigaudi | yeah well, i can live without cups on a mobile device |
| 21:11.02 | Myrtti | n800 <3 |
| 21:11.27 | lcuk | n800 would be perfect if it had a keyboard :P |
| 21:11.48 | lcuk | why would you want to put your cups on device ? wont you spill stuff on it? |
| 21:12.19 | crashanddie | timeless, I'll give you a free ticket to London if you get SA or 2FA to work on maemo ;) |
| 21:12.29 | Macer | lcuk: :-P |
| 21:12.39 | Myrtti | lcuk: ;-) |
| 21:12.48 | Myrtti | hearts her n800 |
| 21:13.01 | Macer | n800 was good but well.. the lack of qwerty |
| 21:13.04 | lcuk | have you give nyour 770 any love recently/ |
| 21:13.07 | Macer | it drove me nuts pecking at it |
| 21:13.09 | crashanddie | timeless, SC support is a requirement though, I'll recompile AC to work as middleware on it :P |
| 21:13.23 | lcuk | has no bandage on :O |
| 21:13.30 | crashanddie | AAAAHHHH ZOMBIE |
| 21:13.48 | lcuk | it is |
| 21:14.03 | Myrtti | lcuk: it's on the windowsill back in Warboys, waiting for an inspiration to come and tell me what to do with it |
| 21:14.03 | lcuk | the skin all peeled off before - i couldv literally given the police my fingerprint |
| 21:14.15 | crashanddie | for some reason I'm pretty sure nobody understood what I said to timeless |
| 21:14.25 | crashanddie | timeless, awesome dude, we can talk in coded messages! |
| 21:14.25 | lcuk | Myrtti, if it runs os2008 stabily for you try bluemaemo |
| 21:14.32 | lcuk | make it a remote control/keyboard for 800 |
| 21:14.34 | Myrtti | lcuk: doesnt |
| 21:14.42 | parigaudi | unrelated question: what's the status of Qt for Maemo? i believe Nokia/Qt announced they would port it but still haven't? |
| 21:14.58 | crashanddie | parigaudi, I can tell you this much: |
| 21:15.00 | StsN800 | it's ported |
| 21:15.01 | lcuk | its available |
| 21:15.02 | Myrtti | will prolly put Mer on it and let bf do funky stuff with it and the home automation system |
| 21:15.04 | lcuk | but unofficially |
| 21:15.11 | Macer | parigaudi: i've used qt3 on it. with kde 3.5 |
| 21:15.13 | lcuk | heh |
| 21:15.16 | Macer | never tried kde4 |
| 21:15.23 | StsN800 | qt4.5 too |
| 21:15.25 | lcuk | install the 770 in him and control him from 800 |
| 21:15.34 | parigaudi | yeah well i don't care about kde, just qt, but i need qt 4.5, not qt3 |
| 21:15.41 | lcuk | you would be in heaven lol |
| 21:15.44 | lcuk | "do the dishes" |
| 21:16.19 | Macer | i hate doing laundry |
| 21:16.19 | Myrtti | lcuk: but I can tell him over gtalk with my n800 to do the dishes downstairs already - he has n800 himself |
| 21:16.25 | Macer | next time i think i will just take it somewhere |
| 21:16.31 | parigaudi | Stskeeps: do i understand correctly that it was ported, but not by Qt Software, but other guys (presumably those who wanted kde on the n810)? |
| 21:16.33 | Myrtti | I don't mind laundry, I hate the dishes |
| 21:16.48 | Macer | Myrtti: laundry is a pain. at least you can knock out dishes in one movement |
| 21:16.49 | lcuk | hehehe |
| 21:16.50 | Macer | :) |
| 21:16.56 | parigaudi | StsN800: do i understand correctly that it was ported, but not by Qt Software, but other guys (presumably those who wanted kde on the n810)? |
| 21:17.00 | Macer | laundry takes multiple trips and waiting |
| 21:17.09 | crashanddie | "Why did she kick you?" "I wanted a fellatio but the wifi died before it transmitted "job"" |
| 21:17.10 | StsN800 | parigaudi, http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 21:17.10 | lcuk | parigaudi, no, those wanting qt on tablet |
| 21:17.14 | lcuk | go visit the project and see |
| 21:17.15 | parigaudi | sorry, tab completion on quassel sux |
| 21:17.30 | parigaudi | cool thx guys |
| 21:17.36 | Myrtti | crashanddie: mrhmgh |
| 21:17.41 | Myrtti | crashanddie: you fail in funneh |
| 21:18.12 | crashanddie | Myrtti, and you fail in life, kiddo, now go back to your cave and learn yourself some English |
| 21:18.19 | lcuk | comically challenged ;) |
| 21:18.20 | lbt | parigaudi: some people use the Mer port of Qt on Maemo. Also there's no current plan to stop the Diablo branch AFAIK |
| 21:18.26 | Macer | kung fu the legend continues is so pseudo 80s :) |
| 21:18.31 | roope | Qt is cute. |
| 21:18.42 | Macer | you know the early 90s where they were making that transition away from the 80s |
| 21:18.43 | lbt | heh |
| 21:18.45 | lcuk | oi crashanddie you are an overtired cranky git |
| 21:18.47 | crashanddie | lcuk, better than a touch-based UI designer who gets his fingers chopped off :P |
| 21:19.00 | Macer | like the highlander show with the purple versaci suits |
| 21:19.02 | crashanddie | lcuk, yeah, probably true there |
| 21:19.06 | Myrtti | crashanddie: you fail in sarcasm. Also, extra brownie points for telling a non-native to go learn English. |
| 21:19.19 | Myrtti | sarcasm-dar broken ahoy |
| 21:19.25 | crashanddie | Myrtti, I ain't native, dumb fuck |
| 21:19.49 | crashanddie | and that's not the first time I told you that |
| 21:20.03 | crashanddie | why is it people think the fact they weren't raised with a language is an excuse to make mistakes? |
| 21:20.14 | Myrtti | crashanddie: then it might not be the first time that I've told you I'm not *EITHER* |
| 21:20.16 | crashanddie | anyway, have a nice evening everyone, I'm out |
| 21:20.24 | parigaudi | better yet: i ain't NO native (to be pronounced with a heavy southern Georgia dialect) |
| 21:20.32 | Myrtti | ho-hum |
| 21:20.44 | Myrtti | goes to fiddle with thesixtyone.com |
| 21:21.00 | roope | People fail at being not easily annoyed. |
| 21:21.15 | crashanddie | I'm always afraid when I hear fiddling followed by a website... I've been traumatised by lemonparty.org |
| 21:21.23 | lbt | wanders off to a nicer channel... |
| 21:21.32 | lcuk | agrees |
| 21:21.44 | lcuk | seb fuck off till you are more sociable |
| 21:21.55 | crashanddie | aye, take care |
| 21:21.58 | roope | :) |
| 21:22.37 | coldboot | haha lemonparty |
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| 21:22.59 | coldboot | Does anyone know how to get scratchbox 2 running the x86 native arm compiler? |
| 21:23.10 | coldboot | I think my sb2 is running the arm arm compiler, which runs really slow. |
| 21:23.10 | lcuk | roope, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt7qB37sLLo ive got an update :) |
| 21:23.15 | coldboot | I have the x86 toolchain set... |
| 21:25.27 | roope | lcuk: it looks very smooth. |
| 21:25.42 | lcuk | yeah it feels it too |
| 21:26.15 | lcuk | pieces of it will fall over at any second, but im gettin into my mojo with it |
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| 21:28.37 | lcuk | roope, did you see the searching? |
| 21:28.47 | roope | yes, looks sweet. |
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| 21:28.57 | amr | sup yo |
| 21:29.20 | Myrtti | wohoo, leveled up to level 5 \o/ |
| 21:31.57 | lbt | X-Fade: when you see this... :) How do I get empowered to manage Mer bugs? |
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| 21:36.56 | Macer | damn i'm on load #9 |
| 21:37.03 | Macer | goes to find something productive to do |
| 21:38.27 | Macer | i just found a flaw in the zimbra ypl licensing :) if you use their login you are forced to use their giant ZIMBRA logo |
| 21:38.34 | Macer | but if you use a different portal.. you are golden |
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| 22:56.33 | tank-man | bad things can happen if is use "chsh" to change my login shell? |
| 22:58.14 | tank-man | forget it, I like to be safe |
| 23:00.17 | tank-man | my /etc/shells file contains lines to shells that don't exist ... sounds bad |
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| 23:33.36 | GeneralAntilles | Can somebody have lbt ping me or Andre whenever he's back on? |
| 23:35.35 | lcuk | it will be morning now i assume |
| 23:36.03 | lcuk | have you seen the video yet gan? :$ |
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| 23:42.26 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, too lazy to click the link. |
| 23:43.07 | lcuk | you are in it :P |
| 23:43.36 | lcuk | in your pimpin costume :D |
| 23:44.01 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, just so you know, I'm bringing a set of bolt cutters to the Summit. :) |
| 23:44.07 | GeneralAntilles | Gonna finish the job Nokia started. |
| 23:44.13 | lcuk | heh |
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