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| 03:04.47 | saruji | Hey guys, another quick question, what is the correct command for openssh on your n810 when trying to specify a port that you want ssh to connect through? |
| 03:05.22 | saruji | Is tried ssh (ip):port |
| 03:06.01 | saruji | And also tried ssh -D user@ip:port |
| 03:07.03 | saruji | Ahem thats ssh -D user@ip: port |
| 03:07.26 | saruji | And ssh user@ip: port |
| 03:07.33 | tank-man | maybe "-p 22" |
| 03:07.48 | saruji | At the end or beginning? |
| 03:08.16 | tank-man | anywhere perhaps |
| 03:08.44 | saruji | Ok will try thx |
| 03:30.45 | chx | yeah |
| 03:30.53 | chx | make note that scp uses capital P for this purpose |
| 03:31.05 | chx | everyone loves consistent interfaces. |
| 03:34.12 | luke-jr | XD |
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| 04:22.53 | Macer | i am watching ncis.. it's not that bad |
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| 05:18.03 | GeneralAntilles | This expired cert bullshit must be the must user-hostile insanity imaginable. |
| 05:19.10 | GeneralAntilles | Can somebody tell me how to bypass this reliably before I put a bullet through my phone? |
| 05:24.28 | Macer | ncis is pretty good |
| 05:24.48 | GAN800 | Yes |
| 05:25.44 | Macer | they aren't too bad with teh military stuff |
| 05:25.54 | Macer | usually the military stuff is way off :) |
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| 05:26.14 | Macer | like when they do the dramatic "I REPEAT!" over the radio |
| 05:35.56 | kfx | GeneralAntilles: when I had an e61 I found some app someone had made that basically wrecks the cert system, and lets you install whatever the hell you want |
| 05:36.05 | kfx | if I can find it I'll let you know :( |
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| 05:58.26 | MaceWee | hm |
| 06:00.59 | RST38h | kfx: This is called "a Chinese certificate" |
| 06:01.23 | RST38h | It is not an app really, but a method to get a "universal" certificate and disable certificate checks |
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| 06:17.01 | napsy | Hello. I have chinook on my n810 but want to upgrade to diablo. How to do this. Just edit the sources.list? |
| 06:30.35 | Jaffa | Morning all |
| 06:31.33 | RST38h | napsy: You should use Nokia firmware upgrade utility |
| 06:31.56 | RST38h | napsy: http://tabletschool.blogspot.com/2008/01/nokia-n800-how-to-update-n800s-firmware.html |
| 06:32.31 | RST38h | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php |
| 06:34.33 | napsy | Ok tnx |
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| 07:07.32 | ShadowJK | hm, I thought there was a thing in program manager to disable certificte checks |
| 07:07.57 | ShadowJK | or maygbe that was just to let you install self-signed stuff :) |
| 07:09.04 | ShadowJK | vaguely recalls the nokia shoutcast client not wanting to install at one point because the certificate they signed it with expired |
| 07:09.29 | ShadowJK | I think they just signed it with a fresher one when prodded about it... |
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| 07:14.40 | RST38h | Self signed stuff can be installed as is |
| 07:14.59 | RST38h | Absolutely no problem there, except for a single checkbox in settings |
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| 07:45.06 | RST38h | tperiod |
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| 08:09.59 | liri | canola2 refuses to play any music, I can fire it up, browse my music but when I click a song it goes to the Playing screen and doesn't play, then after a couple of clicks it hangs |
| 08:10.07 | liri | I un-installed it and re-installed, didn't help |
| 08:10.26 | liri | Just to test that this isn't a sound driver issue I tried another music player which played it fine |
| 08:10.34 | liri | I'm thinking maybe to not install the latest version |
| 08:11.41 | thux | is canola generally better than other players? |
| 08:15.07 | thux | i think i haven't tried it yet just heard the name often |
| 08:16.20 | liri | it's a nice interface, good for me as a portable device |
| 08:16.44 | thux | ok |
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| 08:30.09 | Macer | well |
| 08:30.15 | Macer | tor seems to be a little bit of a failure |
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| 09:08.06 | lcukx41 | is there anyway to teleport milk into my house (preferably bottled) |
| 09:11.03 | wjt | starts writing telepathy-moo with support for MoIP |
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| 09:11.53 | Stskeeps | mooip. |
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| 09:13.25 | lcukx41 | Stskeeps: might work lol |
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| 09:38.20 | pupnik | naeno sdk vm image 0.9 is preferred environment to build for extras? |
| 09:38.23 | pupnik | maemo |
| 09:38.34 | pupnik | need to get up and running fast |
| 09:38.53 | pupnik | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ |
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| 09:42.04 | pupnik | hi geaaru |
| 09:42.41 | geaaru | hi |
| 09:43.50 | RST38h | moo pupnik, lcuk, Sts |
| 09:43.55 | Stskeeps | moo RST38h |
| 09:45.37 | pupnik | ok ok ok ok |
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| 09:55.45 | biiter | is it possible to somehow settup any mail client to try to connect every 20 min to WIFI and check for email, than disconnect automaticaly? |
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| 09:56.22 | lcuk | biiter, i think you can tell the wifi to disconnect if not used and connect as required |
| 09:56.25 | lcuk | hiya MoonTiger |
| 09:57.22 | MoonTiger | heya lcuk :) |
| 09:57.43 | lcuk | hows your lazy sunday goin |
| 09:57.47 | biiter | lcuk: that is the "iddle" time? in settings? when i choose any time avaliable in the select box.. it yelds that it conflicts with genera settings |
| 09:58.00 | biiter | general |
| 09:58.07 | lcuk | what general settings |
| 09:58.09 | MoonTiger | well the sea is looking warm and inviting and the sun is warm and the beach isnt too crowded ... not bad id say :) |
| 09:58.30 | biiter | don§t know |
| 09:58.36 | lcuk | bleugh! ive got manchester sun (which is i know its there somewhere behind the clouds) |
| 09:59.02 | MoonTiger | almeria, spain ... right on the south coast |
| 09:59.02 | lcuk | biiter, how long does your battery last if you just leave it to its own devices? |
| 09:59.04 | MoonTiger | nice :) |
| 09:59.23 | lcuk | yeah, and you wont swap lol |
| 09:59.42 | biiter | lcuk: it didnt survive the night |
| 10:00.08 | lcuk | thats not good |
| 10:00.17 | MoonTiger | lcuk, well we are on couchsurfers.com so you're welcome to come for a free stay if you like :) |
| 10:00.21 | lcuk | cos wifi thats just idling properly should last much longer |
| 10:01.16 | lcuk | MoonTiger, i know of the service and its a great idea, but im more a stickler for a nice hotel room and privacy lol |
| 10:02.07 | lcuk | so when you open moontiger hotels inc ill make a booking :D |
| 10:02.09 | MoonTiger | ahh well ok ... we do have a spare room so you get the privacy thing |
| 10:02.22 | MoonTiger | but the hotel services etc ... not so much ;) |
| 10:02.37 | lcuk | damn, so no room service |
| 10:02.58 | lcuk | do your rooms have air con and free wifi? :D |
| 10:03.10 | MoonTiger | free wifi yes |
| 10:03.15 | lcuk | heh |
| 10:03.16 | MoonTiger | air con - open the window |
| 10:03.30 | MoonTiger | we are literally a stones throw from the sea |
| 10:03.30 | lcuk | i couldnt do that in the last hotel i stayed in |
| 10:03.47 | lcuk | i was on the ground floor and with all the tech i took with me i didnt wanna leave it open over night |
| 10:04.12 | lcuk | yeah you said, are you woken by the waves crashing on the beach? |
| 10:04.22 | MoonTiger | (i know cos i threw a stone from our front door into the sea) |
| 10:04.30 | lcuk | VANDAL! |
| 10:04.37 | lcuk | you couldv hurt a poor fish |
| 10:04.51 | MoonTiger | not woken by them but they do relax you to sleep if you cant sleep |
| 10:05.07 | lcuk | are you a coffee drinker? |
| 10:05.24 | MoonTiger | well i think the velocity of an object entering water is slowed sufficiently to cause little or no harm from a hand thrown projectile |
| 10:05.30 | MoonTiger | :rolls eyes: |
| 10:05.42 | lcuk | whenever ive been awake early mornin near a beach its so relaxing to just sit with feet in the sand drinkin a nice cuppa :) |
| 10:05.50 | MoonTiger | pg tips me |
| 10:05.55 | MoonTiger | decaf coffe only |
| 10:06.50 | lcuk | i can just imagine that little fishy swimming by innocently when a 10tonnoe boulder comes out of the sky and flattens it into the sand |
| 10:07.17 | lcuk | how do you think all those fossils are made |
| 10:07.31 | MoonTiger | well if its swimming in 12 inches of water it should expect some problems |
| 10:07.35 | MoonTiger | haha |
| 10:08.50 | RST38h | looks out of the window: clouds, +5oC |
| 10:08.59 | RST38h | Where did you say the sun was? |
| 10:09.06 | lcuk | in the sky |
| 10:09.11 | lcuk | look upish |
| 10:09.22 | MoonTiger | 50C ??!! |
| 10:09.30 | lcuk | heh i thought that too |
| 10:09.41 | RST38h | shudders at the thought |
| 10:09.53 | MoonTiger | i've been in 46C and that was bad |
| 10:09.54 | RST38h | +5 I can take, actually. +50 can't |
| 10:10.04 | RST38h | Anything >25 is bad |
| 10:10.20 | lcuk | the only time ive ever been in greece i think it was that hot |
| 10:10.29 | lcuk | after coming back my back peeled |
| 10:10.38 | MoonTiger | wow i love the sun :) |
| 10:10.38 | lcuk | literally, in one piece like a tshirt coming off |
| 10:10.59 | MoonTiger | ewwwwwww |
| 10:11.06 | lcuk | :D |
| 10:11.13 | Stskeeps | and we hereby confirm lcuk is a shape shifting alien |
| 10:11.24 | MoonTiger | hahaha |
| 10:11.26 | lcuk | waves his ET finger around |
| 10:11.48 | lcuk | ive become quite adept at fitting bandage now :$ |
| 10:13.00 | lcuk | i made a stupid mistake last night |
| 10:13.15 | lcuk | the end of the bandage is squishy |
| 10:13.31 | MoonTiger | ewwwwwwww ++ |
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| 10:14.03 | lcuk | lol MoonTiger i could show the pics :P |
| 10:14.41 | MoonTiger | i had yoghurt with strawberries for brkfast ... i'll pass |
| 10:15.11 | lcuk | and i was just kinda absent mindedly half nibbling the end (proxy finger nail nibbling..) and i caught the end of the finger and yelped so loud i woke tracy up :$ |
| 10:15.57 | lcuk | ive found i like fruit salad with banana yoghurt for breakfast |
| 10:16.21 | Stskeeps | lcuk: are you at all able to code? :P |
| 10:16.37 | lcuk | yes, ive got 9 fingers |
| 10:16.40 | MoonTiger | brb trying to edit xfce menu |
| 10:16.42 | lcuk | and they work |
| 10:16.42 | MoonTiger | *sigh* |
| 10:17.00 | lcuk | :( moon |
| 10:18.08 | lcuk | i think i need to vanish too, ive got some heavy debugging to do |
| 10:18.42 | MoonTiger | i'll be around more now i have internet at home :) |
| 10:18.48 | MoonTiger | see you laterz ;) |
| 10:18.56 | lcuk | cya \o |
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| 10:52.37 | mlpug | how do I know what filesystems n810 supports. this is diablo/2.6.21. I have NAS box supporting cifs/samba and would like to mount that on boot. I would like to have it just like in ubuntu (=one line in fstab). is this straightforward? |
| 10:53.32 | mlpug | some cifs.ko module exists. I wonder if i should use that |
| 10:57.39 | pupnik | who here uses maemo-sdk-0.9? |
| 10:58.06 | pupnik | is it the right thing to use to get something finished, and in extras? |
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| 11:00.35 | Macer | hm |
| 11:00.41 | Macer | anybody use tor on n800? |
| 11:01.05 | Macer | i wish i had known about tor when i had it :) |
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| 11:07.24 | chrisk_ | hi there! has anybody some experience with openobex on diablo? anybody ever use the c api? |
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| 11:19.24 | chrisk_ | anybody some bluetooth programming experience in c? i hope there are still some c programmers out there ;-) |
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| 11:31.18 | pupnik | sorry chrisk_ |
| 11:31.40 | pupnik | all i remember is bluez-utils |
| 11:33.08 | chrisk_ | np pupnik. i am programming a bluetooth security tool and have some problems with openobex... |
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| 12:05.28 | rmt_ | Hmm.. how to read files from a zip files with gnome-vfs? |
| 12:06.16 | rmt_ | And vala. :) |
| 12:06.30 | rmt_ | I was thinking that a simple working replacement for Comix shouldn't be hard.. |
| 12:19.32 | RST38h | Wowowow, somebody ported Crimson Fields! |
| 12:19.58 | RST38h | mikkov actually |
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| 12:40.36 | lcuk | rmt_, there should be libs for reading zips and stuff |
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| 12:41.28 | rmt_ | lcuk, libz, which I think is used by gnome-vfs (at least on my version, don't know about the cut-down osso version) |
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| 12:44.15 | VirginiaSteaks | hi guys, i want to compile a simple xmlrpc-client for maemo and getting the program cannot connect to localhost. why? |
| 12:44.47 | rmt_ | VirginiaSteaks, It does some tests during it's compile, and tries to connect to a local server? |
| 12:45.14 | rmt_ | VirginiaSteaks, What's your build environment? |
| 12:45.19 | VirginiaSteaks | @rmt_: it has "http://localhost:8080/" hardcoded |
| 12:45.37 | lcuk | does 8080 have anything listening |
| 12:45.38 | rmt_ | VirginiaSteaks, What's the xmlrpc client for? |
| 12:45.41 | VirginiaSteaks | i used the sb2 for building and now the maemo sdk sudo runtime for starting |
| 12:46.12 | rmt_ | VirginiaSteaks, in order to make use of an xmlrpc client, you need an xmlrpc server.. it sounds like your client is for a specific purpose, if it has a hardcoded server.. |
| 12:46.40 | VirginiaSteaks | we want to implement a little audio blog software for maemo at university. and i have to build the communication part for it between client and server. we decided to use xmlrpc so that we can easily call functions over the network. but not as easy as expected ;) |
| 12:47.23 | VirginiaSteaks | rmt_: i already compiled and started a sample xmlrpc-server. wait, i will send you the link, then you see. only a few lines of code. only for a proof that it is working properly.. |
| 12:47.36 | rmt_ | Ok |
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| 12:50.52 | VirginiaSteaks | rmt_: the client example: http://xmlrpc-c.sourceforge.net/doc/#clientexample |
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| 12:51.15 | VirginiaSteaks | rmt_: and the server example: http://xmlrpc-c.sourceforge.net/doc/#serverexample |
| 12:51.22 | biiter | is there any notepad application that behaves like paper and not like text editor?? |
| 12:51.23 | VirginiaSteaks | i can get both compiled for armel |
| 12:51.40 | rmt_ | biiter, With or without character recognition? |
| 12:51.46 | biiter | rmt_: without |
| 12:51.54 | rmt_ | biiter, MaemoPad lets you draw. |
| 12:52.03 | VirginiaSteaks | then i start the server, which seems to be listening. after that i start the client, which exits with an error |
| 12:52.05 | rmt_ | But also keep text notes and lists |
| 12:52.50 | lcuk | biiter, liqbase is faster than paper :) |
| 12:54.12 | biiter | thx.. i§ll trz both |
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| 12:55.25 | lcuk | biiter, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/liqbase/ :) |
| 12:55.46 | VirginiaSteaks | rmt_: brb |
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| 12:57.11 | rmt_ | VirginiaSteaks, Not really sure (and I don't consider looking at random C code fun) .. but I suggest you do "telnet localhost 8080" on the tablet and see if it's actually listening, which should then tell you if the problem's with the client or the server. |
| 12:57.44 | lcuk | telnet isnt (wasnt) directly available on the tablet lol |
| 12:57.59 | lcuk | it was compiled and pushed to extras-devel yesterday after a long ML discussion |
| 12:58.29 | VirginiaSteaks | rmt_: hmm but since even ping localhost doesn't work,.. |
| 12:58.49 | VirginiaSteaks | rmt_: I installed ping in sudo runtime via: apt-get install ping |
| 12:58.50 | rmt_ | install it or netcat or something.. |
| 12:59.40 | VirginiaSteaks | rmt_: XML-RPC Fault: HTTP request completed with HTTp error -906. Fatal Error: Can't locate remote host (localhost) |
| 12:59.46 | rmt_ | VirginiaSteaks, No iptables rules setup? |
| 12:59.57 | rmt_ | Stop using the client and start testing;. |
| 13:00.04 | rmt_ | Divide and Conquer. |
| 13:00.38 | rmt_ | "sudo apt-get install netcat" (probably in extras or extras-devel) .. then do nc localhost 8080 |
| 13:00.47 | VirginiaSteaks | rmt_: no, I am not yet familiar with the scratchbox. I don't know what the differences are between it and my host system. (except other environment variables) |
| 13:00.49 | rmt_ | ~ $ nc localhost 8080 |
| 13:00.49 | rmt_ | Nokia-N810-43-7 [127.0.0.1] 8080 (webcache) : Connection refused |
| 13:00.56 | rmt_ | On mine, I get that - because I have nothing listening. |
| 13:01.06 | rmt_ | VirginiaSteaks, Ah, you're in the scratchbox. |
| 13:01.20 | rmt_ | What kind of scratchbox |
| 13:01.21 | rmt_ | ? |
| 13:01.31 | VirginiaSteaks | rmt_: alright i will try the netcat |
| 13:01.33 | rmt_ | VMWare image? chroot? |
| 13:02.03 | biiter | lcuk: that liqbas is some demo? |
| 13:02.25 | lcuk | biiter, its got every single note ive taken since i started it last year :) |
| 13:02.31 | lcuk | and i read and review often |
| 13:02.36 | VirginiaSteaks | rmt_: we have gotten a VMware image (kubuntu) with an already installed maemo-sdk. i set both rootstrap and toolchain and i am compiling in sb2 and running in "maemo-sdk enter runtime" |
| 13:02.41 | lcuk | dwhen does a demo become a real app :) |
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| 13:03.08 | lcuk | and im building on what ive started |
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| 13:04.17 | VirginiaSteaks | rmt_: netcat localhost 8080 timing out with: localhost:8080: forward host lookup failed: Host name lookup failure |
| 13:04.35 | lcuk | try it with 127.0.0.1 |
| 13:05.24 | VirginiaSteaks | lcuk: same problem |
| 13:05.24 | rmt_ | The vmware image doesn't have localhost defined in /etc/hosts ? Craziness! |
| 13:05.36 | rmt_ | netcat 127.0.0.1 8080 ? |
| 13:05.45 | rmt_ | Shouldn't be returning host name lookup failure |
| 13:06.59 | rmt_ | bbk |
| 13:07.06 | VirginiaSteaks | rmt_: bash-3.1# nc 127.0.0.1 8080 .... timing out, no response |
| 13:07.25 | rmt_ | Check iptables.. iptables -nvL |
| 13:08.20 | VirginiaSteaks | rmt_: iptables v1.3.6 |
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| 13:08.58 | pupnik_ | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=Maemo_Diablo_Ubuntu_Gutsy_Server_Virtual_SDK_Image.zip |
| 13:09.05 | pupnik_ | how to resume download? |
| 13:09.16 | pupnik_ | wget -c can not resume. firefox can not resume |
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| 13:10.16 | pupnik_ | apparently the server doesn't support 'range' command? |
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| 13:13.24 | VirginiaSteaks | *sigh*, iptables answers this: http://rafb.net/p/ORZmf154.html |
| 13:14.11 | VirginiaSteaks | if anybody has a clue how to ping localhost in scratchbox or runtime, please tell me |
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| 13:15.30 | pupnik_ | kernel module misatch VirginiaSteaks ? |
| 13:15.44 | VirginiaSteaks | pupnik_: yes, its obviously server thing, cause firefox can resume normally |
| 13:16.08 | pupnik_ | that's harsh for a 1.7 GB download |
| 13:16.35 | VirginiaSteaks | pupnik_: y :/.. hmm i don |
| 13:17.16 | VirginiaSteaks | pupnik_: y :/.. hmm i dont know, wanted to run an xmlrpc client / server on the maemo runtime.. but it doesn't work and i dont know why (not leet enough in linux) |
| 13:18.08 | pupnik_ | hmmhm |
| 13:18.47 | VirginiaSteaks | pupnik_: even ping localhost doesnt work. he cannot find localhost. but how to make him find localhost? |
| 13:19.04 | pupnik_ | don't check iptables, check interfaces, no? ifconfig? |
| 13:19.08 | pupnik_ | and then route -n? |
| 13:19.53 | pupnik_ | is there a 'lo' interface in ifconfig in sdk? |
| 13:19.58 | pupnik_ | (/me has no idea) |
| 13:19.58 | VirginiaSteaks | pupnik_: even ping 127.0.0.1 exits with: ping: icmp open socket: Operation not permitted |
| 13:20.23 | VirginiaSteaks | not enough rights i guess |
| 13:20.42 | pupnik_ | um. i don't recall but i think you need to be root to ping |
| 13:20.50 | luke-jr | yes you do |
| 13:20.59 | VirginiaSteaks | doesn't work as root also |
| 13:21.10 | VirginiaSteaks | i enter "sudo" runtime and it doesnt work |
| 13:21.11 | luke-jr | different error? |
| 13:21.19 | VirginiaSteaks | or is there another third runtime environment? *confused* |
| 13:21.24 | VirginiaSteaks | no, exactly the same error |
| 13:21.29 | luke-jr | oh |
| 13:21.31 | luke-jr | in scratchbox |
| 13:21.36 | luke-jr | so it's probably faking root |
| 13:21.46 | luke-jr | which won't work on a large scale |
| 13:21.50 | luke-jr | eg, networking |
| 13:23.05 | GAN800 | Symbian is just not a very well put together platform and Nokia's utter failure to sell phones in the states is fully deserved. |
| 13:23.21 | pupnik_ | i haven't logged into scratchbox since april |
| 13:23.22 | pupnik_ | 2008 |
| 13:23.30 | biiter | lcuk: i can't use liqbate, the blitting is superb and it's what I had in mind but I miss the editing features and the GUI is terrible |
| 13:23.38 | Stskeeps | GAN800: finally had enough? :P |
| 13:23.41 | VirginiaSteaks | luke-jr: it is working on chroot. but this doesn't mean too much to me since in chroot it is only possible for i386 targets. and we need to compile for arm |
| 13:23.55 | luke-jr | VirginiaSteaks: I chroot to arm |
| 13:24.14 | VirginiaSteaks | luke-jr: how? for me there is written it only works for i386 |
| 13:24.20 | VirginiaSteaks | luke-jr: do we have an old verison? |
| 13:24.25 | luke-jr | gotta hack in a qemu thing |
| 13:24.54 | luke-jr | and set it up with bin_misc |
| 13:24.58 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, OTA isn't available for the NAM version, apparently, which, of course, they don't tell you when they're advertising the feature and only one person on the internet seems to know. |
| 13:25.08 | VirginiaSteaks | luke-jr: ok that is too hight for me...*sighs* |
| 13:25.31 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, the cert insanity is ten times worse though. |
| 13:25.43 | Stskeeps | GAN800: well you're spoiled having had a tablet.. |
| 13:25.51 | VirginiaSteaks | luke-jr: so you had to be in the maemo-sdk's developer team to know how to make a simple ping localhost work? ;-) |
| 13:26.09 | luke-jr | VirginiaSteaks: what? I don't even USE Maemo, let alone be on some SDK devteam |
| 13:26.26 | Stskeeps | yeah, luke-jr is a heathen |
| 13:26.26 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:26.29 | GAN800 | Basically, I don't know what software these Symbian freaks have been using (or what they've been smoking) that makes them think this is worthwhile software. |
| 13:26.34 | luke-jr | ping isn't *that* simple, either |
| 13:27.30 | luke-jr | IIRC, ping works with raw sockets |
| 13:27.58 | Stskeeps | GAN800: so, maemo > symbian? ;) |
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| 13:28.42 | VirginiaSteaks | luke-jr: ok luke, any clue what i can do now? i already did the following: -compile xmlrpc api for am -compile the examples provided with the api -start the example xmlrpc server (listening to port 8080). and now i only want to test out if the whole thing is working by starting the xmlrpc-client which should connect to localhost:8080 and make a procedure call (add two numbers). |
| 13:29.37 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, Maemo doesn't not let me install software for no reason. |
| 13:29.42 | luke-jr | VirginiaSteaks: yeah, now you can migrate to Gentoo and leave that confusing stuff behind :p |
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| 13:30.28 | VirginiaSteaks | luke-jr: i love gentoo, but we have to use this "nice confusing AWESOME" toolchain, because we need to crosscompile for the arm plattform because our blogsoftware has to run on the nokia 800 later on |
| 13:30.42 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, anyway, bring on tge Linux phones. Symbian can rot. |
| 13:31.08 | luke-jr | VirginiaSteaks: AFAIK, mere crosscompiling won't make it work in Maemo |
| 13:31.15 | GAN800 | I amazed at how much better Maemo's app distribution is than Symbian's. |
| 13:31.29 | luke-jr | VirginiaSteaks: if you missed the hints: I run Gentoo on my N810, I don't use Maemo. |
| 13:32.07 | VirginiaSteaks | luke-jr: wow, i really missed your hint ;> was it hard to get it installed on N810? |
| 13:32.11 | LinuxCode | luke-jr, gps, kb and touch screen work for you ? |
| 13:32.17 | luke-jr | VirginiaSteaks: it's a work-in-progress |
| 13:32.26 | luke-jr | LinuxCode: depends |
| 13:32.34 | luke-jr | LinuxCode: kb is broken in latest 2.6.30 |
| 13:32.39 | LinuxCode | i see |
| 13:32.49 | LinuxCode | how about gps and the screen ? |
| 13:32.50 | luke-jr | GPS requires evil dirty hacks due to Nokia being closed source |
| 13:32.55 | LinuxCode | yeh |
| 13:33.01 | luke-jr | and unwilling to budge reasonably |
| 13:33.03 | LinuxCode | I thought of that, hence me asking |
| 13:33.15 | luke-jr | touchscreen "just works" |
| 13:33.20 | LinuxCode | k |
| 13:33.27 | luke-jr | plasma eats RAM tho, so I don't usually run X |
| 13:33.42 | luke-jr | and my Xmodmap (Fn key support) broke when I installed KDE |
| 13:34.32 | luke-jr | oh, and qt-webkit needs to be linked on another system |
| 13:34.35 | luke-jr | 128 MB doesn't cut it |
| 13:36.02 | LinuxCode | hehe |
| 13:36.32 | LinuxCode | I hope the new Nxxx will have ta least 512MB |
| 13:36.56 | luke-jr | I'm not sure I want to buy Nokia again |
| 13:37.07 | LinuxCode | I will |
| 13:37.15 | LinuxCode | wouldnt buy a standard mobile though |
| 13:37.25 | luke-jr | N810 has kinda soured me |
| 13:37.27 | LinuxCode | I want the Nxxx with 3g and phone support |
| 13:37.45 | luke-jr | I bought it because I thought it was open source |
| 13:37.53 | luke-jr | or at least capable of being run open source |
| 13:38.13 | LinuxCode | luke-jr, well, lets face it, you wont get full OSS on all hardware platforms |
| 13:38.17 | luke-jr | instead I find it's simply an abandoned product that Nokia won't even let the community support |
| 13:38.25 | LinuxCode | and thats often not due to compnaies like Nokia |
| 13:38.45 | LinuxCode | its due to them having to apply the T&Cs they get from other chip makers |
| 13:38.46 | LinuxCode | ;-[ |
| 13:39.22 | LinuxCode | yeh support for maemo seems to have been abandoned |
| 13:39.25 | luke-jr | LinuxCode: the GPS example lets me blame Nokia |
| 13:39.27 | LinuxCode | at least it always sounds like it |
| 13:39.33 | LinuxCode | luke-jr, why ? |
| 13:39.41 | LinuxCode | I bet you they dont make the actual part |
| 13:39.42 | luke-jr | they could have put TI's IPR into a library |
| 13:39.49 | luke-jr | and left the rest open |
| 13:39.58 | luke-jr | so I could modify it to not require GTK+ |
| 13:40.09 | LinuxCode | hehe |
| 13:40.10 | luke-jr | and not require "user" user |
| 13:40.30 | luke-jr | and a library would be easier to reverse engineer than the entire blob |
| 13:40.36 | LinuxCode | what we really need is mainstream distros that people can pick and mix from |
| 13:40.53 | LinuxCode | and then do like interfaces the distros can use to use the hardware |
| 13:41.03 | luke-jr | sigh, no |
| 13:41.11 | LinuxCode | why no ? |
| 13:41.11 | luke-jr | we need the companies to mainline their hardware support |
| 13:41.18 | LinuxCode | or that |
| 13:41.22 | luke-jr | so I can just build a vanilla Linux kernel and boot |
| 13:41.32 | LinuxCode | yeh, that would be better |
| 13:41.38 | LinuxCode | or ideal reather |
| 13:41.40 | LinuxCode | rather* |
| 13:43.17 | VirginiaSteaks | hi guys, on general question about autotools: let's say i downloaded and installed xmlrpc-c library. i do "./configure", "make" and "make install". but let's say i want to write a small piece of c code that uses this (already compiled) library. how can i automatically compile it with the right flags/paths so that it will make use of my xmlrpc-library? or is this too difficult to explain it in short? |
| 13:43.44 | luke-jr | the thing that really bugs me the most is the whole attitude of "we're not making any money off N810 anymore, so no time to spend giving you the required stuff to use it" |
| 13:43.58 | LinuxCode | N810 agreed |
| 13:44.08 | LinuxCode | considering its age too |
| 13:44.13 | Stskeeps | dear god @ the haiku thread |
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| 13:44.20 | luke-jr | VirginiaSteaks: xmlrpc-c-config |
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| 13:44.55 | luke-jr | LinuxCode: doesn't change the fact that I paid $200 for it and should have fair use rights to information on how to use it |
| 13:45.06 | luke-jr | instead of having to spend days reverse engineering crap |
| 13:45.47 | LinuxCode | I know what you mean, but then thats how we got most stuff in the kernel, but its a bit like going to the olden days yeah |
| 13:46.14 | luke-jr | I suspect most stuff in the kernel was documented :p |
| 13:46.22 | LinuxCode | sadly some compansies are still ignorant what linux is concerned |
| 13:46.26 | luke-jr | there's only a few notable exceptions like Atheros and Broadcom wifi |
| 13:46.53 | LinuxCode | the way I see it though |
| 13:47.05 | LinuxCode | Id rather see some Linux based devices, than non |
| 13:47.11 | mavhc | is it more open than any other company managed? |
| 13:47.13 | Stskeeps | nokia's not ignorant in that regard though, did you see the massive amount of patches nokia have made? :P |
| 13:47.28 | LinuxCode | or horrible hacks like the Jornada 710 hack, to reset it into system mode to then boot a linux kernel |
| 13:47.33 | LinuxCode | seems rather stupid |
| 13:47.43 | LinuxCode | Stskeeps, yeh |
| 13:47.44 | Stskeeps | some of the equipment used in the tablets however are ofdd |
| 13:47.53 | luke-jr | mavhc: no |
| 13:48.17 | luke-jr | SmartQ outdone Nokia well |
| 13:48.24 | luke-jr | now they just need to get a keyboard and stuff |
| 13:48.27 | LinuxCode | it requires a combined effort really of mnay manufacturers |
| 13:49.49 | mavhc | and a sales force |
| 13:53.13 | LinuxCode | ;-| 128mb mem only |
| 13:53.29 | LinuxCode | bookmarks |
| 13:54.34 | luke-jr | LinuxCode: ? |
| 13:55.00 | LinuxCode | http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/17/smartq-7-mid-unboxing/ |
| 13:55.03 | luke-jr | ah |
| 13:55.05 | LinuxCode | is that what you are talking about ? |
| 13:55.10 | luke-jr | yeah, I think |
| 13:55.11 | mavhc | if people are going to write inefficient apps we need >128MB ram |
| 13:55.12 | luke-jr | Stskeeps has a 5 |
| 13:55.28 | luke-jr | mavhc: I've been mind-ranting over that for a few days |
| 13:55.36 | luke-jr | mavhc: NT 3.1 only needed 12 MB RAM |
| 13:55.48 | luke-jr | what do we have today to justify over 10 times that? |
| 13:55.59 | LinuxCode | smartq havent even got a decent web page |
| 13:56.04 | LinuxCode | I cant even find the right link |
| 13:56.11 | luke-jr | LinuxCode: it has no US distributors yet AFAIK |
| 13:56.13 | luke-jr | just Chinese |
| 13:56.21 | LinuxCode | rolls eyes |
| 13:56.22 | mavhc | the only thing I can excuse is the browser |
| 13:56.33 | Stskeeps | LinuxCode: smartdevices.com.cn |
| 13:56.33 | mavhc | I'd rather buy from nokia than randomchineseguy |
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| 13:56.46 | luke-jr | mavhc: I can't see the browser making up for 118 MB extra RAM use :p |
| 13:56.58 | LinuxCode | lovely |
| 13:57.07 | LinuxCode | my mandarin is rusty |
| 13:57.09 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 13:57.22 | luke-jr | mavhc: I wish Sharp stayed in the market |
| 13:57.35 | luke-jr | the Zaurus SL-Cx series was a much better form factor |
| 13:57.48 | mavhc | there's no reason for other apps to use so much when I ran DTP apps in 1MB ram |
| 13:59.52 | luke-jr | well, I need to get going |
| 13:59.55 | luke-jr | or so says my wife |
| 13:59.56 | luke-jr | ⺠|
| 13:59.58 | luke-jr | bbl |
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| 14:06.09 | mavhc | so smartq has the driver source code on their website? |
| 14:06.29 | Stskeeps | nah, but i do - i asked for it and got it |
| 14:06.46 | Stskeeps | excepting some S3C IPR with codecs (which we don't need), we have everything (except one measly tool..) |
| 14:10.41 | chrisk_ | are there normally some differences between distro libraries and the libraries for maemo in it's functions? |
| 14:14.36 | slonopotamus | oh my |
| 14:14.51 | slonopotamus | open-wlan-cal learned to set iq values |
| 14:15.07 | Stskeeps | good work :) |
| 14:15.11 | Stskeeps | can you set regulatory domain yet? :P |
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| 14:15.46 | lcuk | biiter, :D the ui is terrible how |
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| 14:18.28 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, nope, i need more strace data for that |
| 14:20.06 | slonopotamus | err |
| 14:20.09 | slonopotamus | ~ping |
| 14:20.10 | infobot | ~pong |
| 14:20.21 | slonopotamus | ah, thought broke smth |
| 14:21.55 | pupnik_ | i can't get the pic of gothopotamus out of my head |
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| 14:22.58 | pupnik_ | nice, someone made cat-typing detection software to prevent cats from chatting on your machine, executing commands etc |
| 14:23.15 | lcuk | also prevents drunken typing |
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| 14:25.04 | LinuxCode | lcuk, haha |
| 14:25.09 | LinuxCode | wasnt there a project |
| 14:25.10 | pupnik_ | that would be an impressive feat |
| 14:25.19 | LinuxCode | didnt google implement that feature / |
| 14:25.20 | lcuk | google do it for mail |
| 14:25.24 | pupnik_ | neural-net. train it to detect your Blood-Alcohol-Level |
| 14:25.24 | LinuxCode | yeh |
| 14:25.25 | LinuxCode | ! |
| 14:25.28 | lcuk | but thats slightly different |
| 14:25.38 | lcuk | requires knowledge before sending |
| 14:25.50 | lcuk | not the same as generic wfaweaegweufaufgkajDGAKDJTG IDENTIFICATION |
| 14:26.32 | VirginiaSteaks | hi guys, why doesn't provide the "enter sudo runtime" of maemo-sdk REAL root rights? |
| 14:27.03 | pupnik_ | it's a chroot environment, afaik |
| 14:27.06 | lcuk | parse i sentence cannot |
| 14:27.15 | slonopotamus | pupnik_, o_O |
| 14:27.28 | VirginiaSteaks | i need to implement sockets, which isn't allowed in "maemo-sdk enter runtime". it only works in the chroot environment, but the chroot doesn't work for crosscompiling to ARMEL |
| 14:27.28 | slonopotamus | pupnik_, gothopotamus - ? |
| 14:27.36 | pupnik_ | never seen the pic, slonopotamus ? |
| 14:27.58 | slonopotamus | nope |
| 14:28.27 | slonopotamus | luke-jr, http://git.slonopotamus.org/?p=opendsme;a=blob;f=open-wlan-cal.c;h=4b920cb1cab113a6113680a338bba41597d87dec;hb=HEAD#l170 |
| 14:28.32 | pupnik_ | http://www.bannedinhollywood.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/gothopotamus.jpg slonopotamus |
| 14:29.33 | lcuk | the harpoons, man them! |
| 14:29.57 | lcuk | infact, i think we should nuke it from orbit, its the only way to be sure! |
| 14:30.06 | slonopotamus | oh my |
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| 14:30.58 | slonopotamus | ah, luke gone |
| 14:31.40 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: didn't know you actually coded :P |
| 14:32.16 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: good job on open-wlan-cal btw |
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| 14:36.51 | thux | there are two kinds of people some code others don't |
| 14:37.17 | Stskeeps | GAN800: think there's any way we can tell Maemo SW that closed source dbus APIs are ridicolous? |
| 14:37.27 | Stskeeps | (sp) |
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| 14:37.57 | lcuk | Stskeeps, send them a letter |
| 14:38.01 | lcuk | phone them up |
| 14:38.10 | lcuk | use a very loud tannoy |
| 14:38.24 | lcuk | t-shirt campaign? |
| 14:39.23 | man_in_pda | hmm |
| 14:39.26 | samueldr | I would wear such a t-shirt |
| 14:39.44 | samueldr | it would sure make everyone asks me what's an API and what's a dbus |
| 14:39.46 | man_in_pda | stardict doesn't come with dictionaries |
| 14:39.54 | man_in_pda | this is irritating |
| 14:40.32 | samueldr | how would it know which dictionnary to load? |
| 14:40.50 | samueldr | I mean from apt, if that's what you mean |
| 14:41.10 | lcuk | should it load all dictionaries for the world and hope you speak one of them? |
| 14:41.15 | man_in_pda | even a simple interface to select dicts to download would be nice |
| 14:41.21 | samueldr | true |
| 14:41.21 | lcuk | agreed there |
| 14:41.25 | man_in_pda | lcuk, yes :P |
| 14:41.29 | samueldr | but hardly possible from apt |
| 14:41.50 | samueldr | there should be some "post-apt-installation-tasks-for-localisation-issues" type of tasks available |
| 14:41.56 | samueldr | I mean, it should be added |
| 14:42.38 | man_in_pda | yeah, but would be nice from inside app |
| 14:43.21 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, uh? you thought i'm just talking? :) |
| 14:44.14 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: yeah, well, i'm glad to have underestimated you ;) |
| 14:45.15 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, :P |
| 14:49.25 | slonopotamus | still nobody wants to hack on open-wlan-cal? :) it's still missing rx/tx tuning data reading |
| 14:50.30 | samueldr | wooh! it's hard to state my thoughts in 140 characters |
| 14:50.46 | samueldr | what's open-wlan-cal? |
| 14:53.40 | man_in_pda | bah |
| 14:54.03 | man_in_pda | i can't find downloadable dictionaries for stardit |
| 14:54.46 | slonopotamus | samueldr, opensource rewrite of wlan-cal utility |
| 14:55.27 | samueldr | and wlan-cal is? |
| 14:55.30 | samueldr | the wlan driver? |
| 14:56.15 | slonopotamus | userspace driver helper |
| 14:57.06 | slonopotamus | wifi chip doesn't have persistent memory, so data has to be read from flash and given to it |
| 14:57.41 | samueldr | I'll nod affirmatively to that, and back away slowly |
| 14:58.17 | slonopotamus | :P |
| 15:00.04 | samueldr | is it reverse-engineered or do you have a reference to follow? |
| 15:00.41 | slonopotamus | i use strace to see what it does to kernel/fs |
| 15:01.38 | samueldr | okay |
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| 15:13.08 | Stskeeps | oh for fucks sake |
| 15:13.16 | Stskeeps | "open is not a known keyword. The legal keyword names are listed here. " |
| 15:13.20 | Stskeeps | (bugzilla) |
| 15:14.47 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4560 |
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| 15:31.31 | Stskeeps | any device community with linux on it diverges towards having Debian on the device. |
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| 15:34.44 | pupnik_ | is android something that should Just Go Away (tm) ? |
| 15:34.58 | pupnik_ | that's my gut feeling atm |
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| 15:36.54 | pupnik_ | anybody else want to putz with new dosbox? |
| 15:37.10 | pupnik_ | exciting patches lately |
| 15:38.00 | pupnik_ | with some memcpy optim, perhaps 1.5x faster now |
| 15:38.09 | pupnik_ | and attention paid to cache |
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| 16:00.47 | pupnik_ | wants to hwhack the n810 |
| 16:03.42 | pupnik_ | http://www.pearl.de/a-PE5328-1010.shtml?vid=713 micro usb dpad - Eu 6,90 |
| 16:04.20 | Stskeeps | interesting |
| 16:06.00 | pupnik_ | ponders a homemade mold to fit around n810 with controls embedded |
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| 16:11.22 | RST38h | pupnik: lcuk is your man |
| 16:11.28 | RST38h | he has made a wooden one |
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| 16:22.38 | rmt | Jaa - turn n810 into a real gaming device. :-) |
| 16:22.57 | RST38h | rmt: Wiimote is sufficient for that =) |
| 16:22.59 | rmt | For < â¬10 would indeed be ideal. :-) |
| 16:23.31 | rmt | Hehe, indeed.. how's that project going? :) |
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| 16:40.21 | Guest9971_368 | general A is here? |
| 16:41.36 | Guest9971_368 | GeneralAntille i need some info about make a start up appli ( iam stock in the changelog file editing) |
| 16:41.55 | Guest9971_368 | vs source |
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| 17:42.18 | lcuk | evening maemoers \o |
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| 17:45.36 | GeneralAntilles | Guest9971_368? |
| 17:45.59 | lopz | hola |
| 17:46.41 | lcuk | hiya lopz |
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| 17:46.53 | lcuk | lopz i had a user asking me the other night if you are a bot |
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| 17:47.53 | lopz | lcuk, no :) |
| 17:48.03 | lcuk | well you would say that lol |
| 17:48.17 | lcuk | what *do* you do then |
| 17:48.18 | lopz | hehe |
| 17:49.07 | lopz | lcuk, I love python, but I speak little English |
| 17:49.08 | lopz | and you ? |
| 17:49.43 | lcuk | i hack at liqbase :) |
| 17:50.16 | lcuk | what are you writing in python then |
| 17:52.22 | lopz | lcuk |
| 17:52.23 | lopz | nothing for now, but worked on a GUI for gentoo, for /etc/conf.d/* |
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| 17:52.43 | lopz | |
| 17:52.43 | lopz | and small scripts for my personal use |
| 17:53.16 | lopz | I have an N800, but little use now that I do not have wifi at home |
| 17:53.17 | lcuk | :O what happens when you are replaced by one of your own small scripts? |
| 17:53.50 | lcuk | what other handhelds have you gotten to play with then |
| 17:53.57 | lcuk | or are you just back on your desktop |
| 17:54.41 | lopz | I'm in windows, that the Uni I'm learning c# :( |
| 17:54.42 | lopz | lcuk, |
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| 17:55.51 | lcuk | ewwwwwww c# smells. they should be teaching you visual basic.net instead :) |
| 17:56.13 | lopz | haha |
| 17:56.20 | VDVsx | lcuk, bahh, just C :P |
| 17:56.30 | RST38h | lcuk |
| 17:56.32 | VDVsx | lopz, you are Spanish ? |
| 17:56.45 | lopz | VDVsx, sÃ, y tu ? |
| 17:56.56 | lcuk | yeah RST38h |
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| 17:57.11 | VDVsx | lopz, Portuguese ;) |
| 17:57.24 | lopz | oh, ok |
| 17:57.49 | lopz | bef0rd, yashira? |
| 17:59.02 | x29a | anybody set up an openvpn server somewhere and client on n810/maemo? |
| 17:59.45 | lcuk | http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=openvpn+maemo |
| 17:59.47 | lcuk | i think they have |
| 17:59.54 | lcuk | since theres stuff in extras for it |
| 18:00.53 | x29a | i have it running and everything |
| 18:01.02 | x29a | just the routes are messed up |
| 18:01.13 | x29a | so id need somebody with indepth knowledge |
| 18:01.58 | lcuk | would it be something generic enough that indepth tutorial for maemoline linux could help? |
| 18:01.59 | lcuk | s\maemoline\mainline\ |
| 18:02.10 | lcuk | or whatever the grep thing is |
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| 18:05.12 | lcuk | hehe Moo-mo :D http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=288217&postcount=199 |
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| 18:16.01 | Macer | lol |
| 18:16.17 | Macer | leave it to the IRS to be the first agency to try to force the swiss to give up banking information |
| 18:19.09 | RST38h | At least it has not come to bombing Switzerland yet |
| 18:19.25 | derf | Give us time. |
| 18:20.39 | RST38h | will get some popcorn in the meanwhile |
| 18:22.05 | LinuxCode | Macer, the US is not the only country to put pressure on Switzerland and other countries |
| 18:22.11 | LinuxCode | The EU is angry |
| 18:22.17 | LinuxCode | people hiding money |
| 18:22.36 | LinuxCode | Liechtenstein is worse |
| 18:23.00 | derf | Yeah, but the EU usually doesn't go around shooting people when they get angry at them. |
| 18:23.22 | LinuxCode | define shooting |
| 18:23.41 | LinuxCode | some memberstates have bribed people to get the info on tax evaders |
| 18:23.41 | RST38h | wonders how to define shooting without killing LinuxCode in the process |
| 18:23.53 | LinuxCode | RST38h, guns are banned here |
| 18:23.56 | RST38h | Maybe got for his kneecaps first? |
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| 18:24.47 | derf | "Shoot, v. i. 1. To cause an engine or weapon to discharge a missile; -- said of a person or an agent; as, they shot at a target; he shoots better than he rides." |
| 18:26.30 | LinuxCode | derf, far better way to kill people |
| 18:26.38 | LinuxCode | you are living in washington |
| 18:26.41 | LinuxCode | you should know |
| 18:26.51 | LinuxCode | every 13th person is hiv positive |
| 18:27.19 | RST38h | HIV isn't the best way to kill people really |
| 18:27.34 | derf | I also don't see what HIV has to do with Washington. |
| 18:28.01 | LinuxCode | derf, Washington DC has a AIDS rate similar to the worst affected areas in the world |
| 18:28.43 | derf | It was also the murder capital of the world for a long time, and still ranks up there pretty high. |
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| 18:31.09 | derf | I don't know which one actualy results in more deaths, but I know which one makes the news regularly. |
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| 18:49.48 | Macer | LinuxCode: well.. too bad :) |
| 18:49.50 | Macer | lol |
| 18:50.12 | LinuxCode | Macer, plenty of other places to stash your billions |
| 18:50.26 | Macer | why must everybody in the world adhere to invasions of privacy? |
| 18:50.43 | Macer | i suppose complacency? |
| 18:50.49 | LinuxCode | why must every rich fucker who has a billion try to not pay taxes |
| 18:51.03 | LinuxCode | if you dont wan to pay tax, move to a country where they dont have any |
| 18:51.05 | RST38h | Macer: because there is not much anyone can do |
| 18:51.22 | Macer | LinuxCode: probably because their success has been penalized |
| 18:51.24 | RST38h | Macer: or, actually, there is a few simple things you can do but people are sheep and thus do not do them |
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| 18:51.45 | Macer | most countries give breaks to people who decided to make errors in their lives.. and turn around and tax doctors who spent most of their lives in school |
| 18:51.52 | LinuxCode | Macer, paying 30% tax on the interest of your billion isnt going to make anhy difference to you |
| 18:52.05 | Macer | so the doctor who decided to do the right thing.. it taxed more for success simply because there are too many stupid people? |
| 18:52.10 | LinuxCode | Macer, you can negotiate a deal with the swiss cantons |
| 18:52.11 | RST38h | LinuxCode: Says who? |
| 18:52.14 | Macer | who need to be taken care of because of their mistakes? |
| 18:52.23 | LinuxCode | if you ar rich and want to move to switzerland |
| 18:52.35 | LinuxCode | problem is, the rich people dont want to move |
| 18:52.52 | LinuxCode | they want to keep their money and live in the country of choice |
| 18:53.04 | LinuxCode | then you pay tax! Like you and me do! |
| 18:53.09 | Macer | LinuxCode: because a lot of rich people would rather stay here and fight it with campaign money |
| 18:53.36 | Macer | LinuxCode: it is not a matter of percentage. it is the principle that success is being taxed |
| 18:53.43 | RST38h | frankly sees no point in this discussion |
| 18:53.45 | Macer | while failure is being rewarded |
| 18:53.46 | LinuxCode | everybody is being taxed |
| 18:53.53 | LinuxCode | RST38h, +1 |
| 18:53.55 | RST38h | Do any of you have at least one million bucks? |
| 18:54.09 | LinuxCode | RST38h, exactly |
| 18:54.10 | RST38h | No? Then you are fucked by definition, punks. |
| 18:54.15 | LinuxCode | thatnks for that point |
| 18:54.17 | Macer | lol.. no but i am on track for it.. and in the end i am paying for someone's drug rehab |
| 18:54.33 | LinuxCode | Macer, you are paying for streets etc.. |
| 18:54.37 | LinuxCode | in a fair manner |
| 18:54.46 | Macer | thsoe are property taxes and municipal taxes |
| 18:54.56 | LinuxCode | i.e. by paying a percentage that will not do you much harm |
| 18:55.02 | Macer | i will give you the national highways.. but a lot of those are also taken care of by tolls |
| 18:55.08 | Macer | (another "tax") |
| 18:55.11 | LinuxCode | but will help others earning minimum, to help better themselves |
| 18:55.34 | Macer | which statistically has failed |
| 18:55.46 | Macer | yet money is continually pumped into failures |
| 18:56.00 | Macer | look at aig :) |
| 18:56.04 | LinuxCode | is happy with the 50% tax rate above £100k |
| 18:56.17 | LinuxCode | very few people earn that |
| 18:56.22 | Macer | a massive failure . yet .. taxes are "saving" them |
| 18:56.25 | LinuxCode | and those who do can afford the tax |
| 18:56.43 | Macer | our sympathy system rewards failures |
| 18:57.04 | RST38h | Translation: your friendly UK government makes it impossible for people to make >f100k |
| 18:57.09 | RST38h | and <f1m |
| 18:57.24 | RST38h | Because if you make >f1m you have ways to stash it |
| 18:57.26 | Macer | i don't think helping 1 out of 1000 better themselves is a good investment of my money |
| 18:57.29 | LinuxCode | Macer, you want to pay less tax, tell your government to spen less on amrs |
| 18:57.33 | RST38h | If you make <f100k you are taxed less |
| 18:58.05 | RST38h | For the rest of poor hapless brits, the moment they make >f100k, their government takes the half |
| 18:58.12 | LinuxCode | RST38h, you can keep the money in the business, then you dont pay tax |
| 18:58.13 | Macer | LinuxCode: protection is more important than helping a woman who decided to have 10 kids with 7 different men while dropping out of school |
| 18:58.22 | LinuxCode | if it is reinvested |
| 18:58.27 | RST38h | Linux: Only if you have a business |
| 18:58.37 | LinuxCode | Macer, thats not the average person |
| 18:58.47 | Macer | LinuxCode: that is the average person who is on our sympathy programs |
| 18:58.51 | LinuxCode | RST38h, you dont make a million unless you do have a business |
| 18:59.04 | LinuxCode | Macer, time to emigrate then |
| 18:59.12 | LinuxCode | saying that, you get those people everywhere |
| 18:59.16 | LinuxCode | not the norm though |
| 18:59.35 | Macer | LinuxCode: norm enough to require massive amounts of currency in order to support failure |
| 19:00.02 | LinuxCode | well thats your problem lol |
| 19:00.08 | Macer | then there are people who worked 5 years and collect social security .. amounts that are far more than they put in beacuse they didn't properly prepare for the future |
| 19:00.22 | Macer | another rewarded failure |
| 19:00.43 | LinuxCode | if it were that simple |
| 19:01.13 | Macer | i suppose that is a valid point LinuxCode |
| 19:02.16 | LinuxCode | Macer, your Health Insurance is also a tax |
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| 19:02.26 | LinuxCode | and thats not even coming from the Government |
| 19:02.28 | Macer | with so many people the system becomes a complexity of statistical data which is the only way our government can decide on how to deal with, as you said, getting people to better themselves |
| 19:02.44 | Macer | LinuxCode: but that is worth paying for ;) |
| 19:02.50 | LinuxCode | you reckon ? |
| 19:02.55 | LinuxCode | wait until you get ill |
| 19:03.04 | LinuxCode | only pay 12 months treatment, pay excess |
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| 19:03.11 | lcuk | i dont mind people who work and put their share in and then through no fault of their own they end up jobless and need supporting |
| 19:03.13 | LinuxCode | then its pre-exisiting condition |
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| 19:03.15 | Macer | i have.. and i have awesome coverage because i pay for it |
| 19:03.18 | LinuxCode | = you stuffed |
| 19:03.24 | LinuxCode | God bless America! |
| 19:03.26 | Macer | lcuk: i agree. |
| 19:03.38 | Macer | but when is enough.. enough? |
| 19:03.56 | lcuk | those same people will try what they can to get back to "normality" and a paying job asap |
| 19:03.58 | LinuxCode | lcuk, I think we in the UK are lucky |
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| 19:04.11 | LinuxCode | lcuk, most will |
| 19:04.19 | LinuxCode | cant live from job seekers allowance |
| 19:04.30 | LinuxCode | and there will always be people exploiting the system |
| 19:04.41 | Macer | honestly. i think the govt should have a "one chance ACT" where they will pay for someone's housing and education and child care long enough for them to finish an undergrad .. and if they fail. then that's it. |
| 19:04.42 | lcuk | jsa+hb+ctb+xyz |
| 19:05.01 | Macer | writes his congressman |
| 19:05.03 | Macer | lol |
| 19:05.20 | LinuxCode | Macer, US unis cost 60k or so |
| 19:05.32 | LinuxCode | free market economy |
| 19:05.36 | RST38h | 30k |
| 19:05.39 | LinuxCode | you cant have all you want |
| 19:05.43 | LinuxCode | RST38h, per year |
| 19:05.45 | RST38h | 60k is kinda high for a US uni |
| 19:05.48 | RST38h | Per year, yes |
| 19:05.56 | LinuxCode | I paid that per the whole course |
| 19:05.57 | RST38h | + smart people get workstudy program |
| 19:06.02 | lcuk | 29.9k on beer |
| 19:06.07 | LinuxCode | lcuk, exactly |
| 19:06.10 | LinuxCode | living expenses |
| 19:06.13 | lcuk | actually, this is us |
| 19:06.18 | LinuxCode | I didnt even pay fees |
| 19:06.27 | RST38h | Folks, I think we have met different US students :) |
| 19:06.28 | lcuk | what DO american students spend money on if its not the SU bar |
| 19:06.38 | lcuk | asks one |
| 19:06.39 | LinuxCode | lcuk, lol |
| 19:06.41 | LinuxCode | books |
| 19:06.48 | LinuxCode | rofl |
| 19:06.49 | lcuk | z4chh, what would you spend your money on |
| 19:06.56 | Stskeeps | the only american student i met was one joyous to find out she could drink in denmark but not at home, and ended up sleeping with a lot of danes |
| 19:06.58 | lcuk | ahhh , so the publishers spend the money on the beer |
| 19:06.59 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:07.02 | z4chh | hmmm |
| 19:07.04 | LinuxCode | RST38h, we arent in the US |
| 19:07.07 | z4chh | gsoc money? |
| 19:07.17 | RST38h | Linux: I got BS, MS, and PhD in the US |
| 19:07.20 | lcuk | no, the yearly money you will need to be in uni |
| 19:07.24 | LinuxCode | Stskeeps, proper American girl then |
| 19:07.47 | RST38h | Linux: And, as kinda expert, I can tell you that it is NOT partying all day and night |
| 19:08.00 | LinuxCode | RST38h, I dint imply that or say that |
| 19:08.04 | LinuxCode | I didnt say beer |
| 19:08.05 | derf | You can go in-state for <$16k in a lot of places. |
| 19:08.13 | RST38h | Linux: In fact, UMD.EDU was a pretty boring place. Some frat guys, usually rotating as they get kicked out |
| 19:08.29 | RST38h | Linux: $30k/year for out of state, less than that in state |
| 19:08.30 | Stskeeps | LinuxCode: blonde, loose and drunk, just like in porn |
| 19:08.30 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:08.45 | RST38h | Linux: lots of study if you actually want to graduate |
| 19:08.51 | LinuxCode | Stskeeps, lets import some American girls |
| 19:09.03 | LinuxCode | RST38h, Ive been through the University system |
| 19:09.04 | RST38h | Linux: + some of these poor guys had misfortune of having me as instructor =) |
| 19:09.07 | LinuxCode | I know how it works |
| 19:09.17 | lcuk | yeah LinuxCode we can tell |
| 19:09.25 | LinuxCode | lcuk, lol |
| 19:09.27 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
| 19:09.34 | RST38h | Linux: Import Polish girls. Way cheaper, less brain bugs, better looking |
| 19:09.44 | LinuxCode | brain bugs ? |
| 19:09.49 | Stskeeps | RST38h: being engaged to one, i will agree |
| 19:09.50 | derf | Really, I don't know why anyone would want an American girl. |
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| 19:09.51 | LinuxCode | ohh you mean spoilt bitches |
| 19:09.58 | LinuxCode | yeh I would agree on that |
| 19:10.02 | RST38h | Linux: I mean feminist shit |
| 19:10.14 | LinuxCode | but then Europeans are more down to Earth |
| 19:10.21 | lcuk | i wouldnt mind a world tour actually :) |
| 19:10.28 | LinuxCode | my ex-gf (US bird) was a bit "warped" |
| 19:10.30 | RST38h | Linux: and not the women advancement kind but let-us-kill-male-chauvinist-pigs |
| 19:10.32 | lcuk | one from each country - THEN ill tell you whos best |
| 19:10.34 | LinuxCode | lcuk, haha |
| 19:10.53 | derf | lcuk: I assume you will blog your progress. |
| 19:10.56 | LinuxCode | RST38h, European birds dont take no shit |
| 19:10.57 | lcuk | god i hope mrs lcuk isnt watching :D |
| 19:11.00 | lcuk | lol derf |
| 19:11.11 | LinuxCode | so I guess you could say a lot of EU chicks are just like that |
| 19:11.13 | lcuk | LinuxCode, you sure about those german girls |
| 19:11.19 | LinuxCode | lcuk, yah |
| 19:11.22 | lcuk | ive heard about those videos |
| 19:11.28 | LinuxCode | lcuk, wanna meet my sister in law |
| 19:11.37 | LinuxCode | she will tear your balls off |
| 19:11.40 | Tracey | Gary... I want a word.... |
| 19:11.43 | RST38h | Heh |
| 19:12.00 | lcuk | phew, for a minute there i thought david was my missus - but thankfully he misspelt her name :P |
| 19:12.07 | LinuxCode | lolol |
| 19:12.07 | lcuk | now we just know hes a tranny |
| 19:12.11 | RST38h | noticed that too |
| 19:12.13 | LinuxCode | back to Uni for him |
| 19:12.20 | LinuxCode | Level 1 Spelling |
| 19:12.29 | lcuk | its ok everyone gets it wrong |
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| 19:12.35 | lcuk | shes given up fixing bday cards lol |
| 19:12.37 | lbt | <sihg> |
| 19:12.49 | derf | But RST38h is right. I swear there isn't a girl in this country who's right in the head. |
| 19:13.01 | LinuxCode | lcuk, thats because most British suck at spelling |
| 19:13.14 | LinuxCode | recalls his Business lecturer |
| 19:13.37 | lcuk | i am crap at spelling as well, but im consistently bad - otherwise my code wouldnt compile |
| 19:13.39 | RST38h | derf: Not entirely true, there are trace amounts left |
| 19:14.04 | derf | RST38h: The odds of encountering one in a random walk appear to be pretty low. |
| 19:14.13 | soap | weighs the probabilities. 1-That 100% of women in USA aren't right in the head VS. 2-That a single male isn't right in the head. |
| 19:14.29 | LinuxCode | me goes with 2 |
| 19:14.37 | derf | Oh, I make no claims that I'm sane. |
| 19:14.38 | LinuxCode | thats what he hears all the time |
| 19:14.53 | LinuxCode | forgot the action there |
| 19:15.10 | lcuk | no woman will ever admit they are wrong |
| 19:15.16 | RST38h | derf: true |
| 19:16.03 | LinuxCode | lcuk, lol |
| 19:16.07 | derf | Maybe they keep them all in Iowa or something. |
| 19:16.14 | derf | They are as gekk aren't in DC. |
| 19:16.51 | RST38h | still remembers a nightmare of encounterng UMD lacrosse team (?) at the student union |
| 19:17.26 | RST38h | Same clothes, same hair, same size, same faces x 30 |
| 19:17.49 | LinuxCode | all 30 had boob jobs ? |
| 19:18.08 | RST38h | Linux: Don't think they had problems in that department really |
| 19:18.10 | lcuk | hairy tash |
| 19:18.12 | lcuk | tatoos |
| 19:18.16 | derf | Not if they're at UMD, they don't. |
| 19:18.18 | LinuxCode | hairy tash lolol |
| 19:18.27 | RST38h | It is just seeing 30 clones of the same girl is disturbing |
| 19:18.39 | LinuxCode | lcuk, Im sure the US is wax nation of the world |
| 19:19.00 | derf | That's really more of a west-coast thing. |
| 19:19.20 | lcuk | RST38h, depends upon the situation, but im sure theres a top shelf video |
| 19:19.43 | RST38h | umgh... |
| 19:20.26 | RST38h | will stick with Tremors for now |
| 19:20.36 | lcuk | lbt, btw, your cross dressing nickchange was transmitted over all the chans :P |
| 19:20.41 | lcuk | heh rst |
| 19:20.54 | lbt | it's no secret <grin> |
| 19:21.43 | lcuk | i thought about asking the dentist people downstairs to take a new xray of my finger to see where my bone is |
| 19:21.55 | lcuk | do you think they will object lol |
| 19:22.02 | RST38h | lcuk: not afraid to find out it has grown teeth? |
| 19:22.17 | lcuk | heh they will detect cavities |
| 19:22.21 | lcuk | and try to drill it |
| 19:22.33 | RST38h | A moment, there is an SCP object for that |
| 19:22.49 | lcuk | im sure there is about lots of things |
| 19:23.36 | RST38h | lcuk: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-542 |
| 19:23.44 | RST38h | nice bedtime reading too |
| 19:24.48 | slonopotamus | wooo! |
| 19:25.09 | slonopotamus | open-wlan-cal learned to set tx tuned values |
| 19:25.52 | soap | mmm, teratoma |
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| 19:28.11 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: did you manage to microwave chicken with it yet? |
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| 19:28.37 | slonopotamus | hehe |
| 19:33.53 | Macer | gets back to his ncis marathon |
| 19:33.54 | Macer | lol |
| 19:41.34 | slonopotamus | craaazy. 13 items, 42bytes each + 6bytes header. and for some reason it must write 550 instead of 552. |
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| 19:46.30 | luke-jr | why hello everyone |
| 19:46.42 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: how should we deal with Nokia's GPL violation in NOLO? ;) |
| 19:47.13 | ShadowJK | there's a GPL violation there? |
| 19:47.13 | slonopotamus | luke-jr, hello. please be more specific :) |
| 19:47.21 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: jffs2 |
| 19:47.39 | luke-jr | http://sources.redhat.com/jffs2/jffs2-licence.html |
| 19:47.53 | luke-jr | in theory, RedHat may have sold a proprietary license |
| 19:47.56 | luke-jr | so I guess we need to ask them |
| 19:49.34 | keesj | the FORMAT should be free (when not talking in terms of code) |
| 19:49.37 | luke-jr | keesj: it uses the code |
| 19:49.55 | luke-jr | I have string matches in the blob |
| 19:49.58 | Stskeeps | eh |
| 19:50.05 | Stskeeps | why on earth is that a gpl violation? |
| 19:50.19 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: jffs2 is GPL; NOLO does not provide source nor offer |
| 19:50.27 | Stskeeps | yes, but NOLO doesn't need jffs2 |
| 19:50.29 | luke-jr | NOLO contains jffs2 code |
| 19:50.31 | Stskeeps | nolo just loads a kernel |
| 19:50.40 | luke-jr | dump the mtdblock for NOLO |
| 19:51.04 | Stskeeps | if you're right, nokia messed up :) |
| 19:51.12 | luke-jr | whether it uses it or not, I don't care :p |
| 19:51.15 | luke-jr | the code is in there |
| 19:51.31 | luke-jr | along with a bunch of debugging tools it seems |
| 19:51.47 | luke-jr | I suspect NOLO may be capable of booting a kernel on a jffs2 partition |
| 19:52.23 | GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, assume good faith and contact the maintainer. |
| 19:52.47 | luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: since it's RedHat's code, I don't have any authority to represent them.. |
| 19:53.33 | GeneralAntilles | I really don't get what rose-tinted glasses these Symbian fans got ahold of. |
| 19:54.03 | luke-jr | suppose I could file a bug like "hey, just noticed thisâ¦" any see how they respond before bothering to mention it to RH |
| 19:54.19 | luke-jr | but simply beginning to comply doesn't get Nokia out of the hole |
| 19:54.31 | luke-jr | their GPL license is now void, if they didn't get a proprietary one |
| 19:55.38 | ShadowJK | GeneralAntilles, I'd like to get a hold of the happypills they've been eating |
| 19:55.39 | keesj | luke-jr: So what are you hoping for? |
| 19:56.15 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: well, isn't there always the option to ask for the source? :P |
| 19:56.17 | luke-jr | keesj: I'm hoping for compliance. But at least legally, they need to deal with RedHat to get a new GPL license. |
| 19:56.28 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: that doesn't make them compliant |
| 19:56.50 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: what strings are you thinking of btw? |
| 19:57.01 | Stskeeps | it is entirely plausible they did their own mini jffs2 though |
| 19:57.08 | Stskeeps | i mean, they did do ubifs.. |
| 19:57.13 | luke-jr | "Erasing JFFS2 blocks %d-%dâ¦" |
| 19:57.25 | luke-jr | err |
| 19:57.27 | luke-jr | maybe not that one |
| 19:57.45 | luke-jr | no, that's one |
| 19:57.53 | luke-jr | I think |
| 19:57.57 | Stskeeps | .. doesn't confirm it's jffs2 though |
| 19:58.16 | luke-jr | Googling for the string returns Linux kernel code |
| 19:58.28 | Stskeeps | yeah, but it's not an accurate matc |
| 19:58.28 | luke-jr | but apparently Google decided to ignore my "" around it |
| 19:58.53 | luke-jr | wonders what the purpose of "" are if not to insist on a literal match |
| 19:58.55 | luke-jr | sigh |
| 19:59.07 | luke-jr | oh well |
| 19:59.16 | luke-jr | NOLO's not in my scopes yet |
| 19:59.27 | luke-jr | I just hit it looking for the config partition |
| 19:59.31 | luke-jr | goes on with what he was doing |
| 19:59.40 | luke-jr | false alarm this time I guess |
| 20:00.52 | slonopotamus | can someone send me output of 'strace -s600 chroot /mnt/initfs/ /usr/bin/wlan-cal 1>/dev/null 2> wlan-cal-strace' please? |
| 20:01.05 | slonopotamus | need strace installed |
| 20:02.14 | slonopotamus | tx limits & rx tuned values look constant but i need to compare |
| 20:02.45 | Stskeeps | yeah, i concur, luke-jr |
| 20:02.48 | Stskeeps | it's a self-made jffs reader |
| 20:03.28 | ShadowJK | slonopotamus, dunno but the service manual says they're tuned per device by measuring the RF output? |
| 20:03.50 | slonopotamus | RF output - ? |
| 20:04.11 | mavhc | if you're searching code use google code search |
| 20:05.28 | mavhc | RST38h: the 50% tax only applies to money >£100k, if you earn 100001 you're only taxed 50% on the 1 |
| 20:07.21 | RST38h | mavhc: Ah, nice |
| 20:07.48 | RST38h | mavhc: Better than I thought, anyway |
| 20:08.38 | RST38h | <sleep> though |
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| 20:09.06 | jaem_N810 | hello folks |
| 20:09.26 | GeneralAntilles | Goddamn computer was done 5 days ago, but Apple didn't bother to try telling me. |
| 20:09.58 | x29a | hm, how would i get screen on my n810? |
| 20:10.04 | slonopotamus | ShadowJK, we can know that for sure if you show me your results :) from what i see in strace, it doesn't read that info from anywhere |
| 20:10.27 | jaem_N810 | x29a: thanks for inadvertently reminding me of something ;) |
| 20:10.39 | Stskeeps | x29a: installing it? |
| 20:10.40 | x29a | jaem_N810: hehe, sorry ;) |
| 20:10.46 | x29a | Stskeeps: apt-get? |
| 20:10.54 | x29a | maybe it needs an update |
| 20:11.04 | x29a | E: Couldn't find package screen |
| 20:12.57 | ShadowJK | slonopotamus, dunno, but there's a troubleshooting flowchart for how to write new values to device if oscilloscope attached to the antenna output of the wlan shows that it's transmitting with wrong power and/or wrong frequency :) |
| 20:13.34 | slonopotamus | ShadowJK, have a link? |
| 20:13.53 | ShadowJK | it was on itt somewhere.. |
| 20:13.56 | x29a | openvpn is already the newest version. <<<--- meeh (built on Jul 31 2008) |
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| 20:15.17 | jaem_N810 | oops... qtnx took out my desktop |
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| 20:18.01 | jaem_N810 | darn |
| 20:18.24 | jaem_N810 | is there a way to bring back a window that isn't shown in the window list? |
| 20:18.31 | jaem_N810 | or do I have to kill it? |
| 20:18.44 | Stskeeps | it's gone, jim |
| 20:19.21 | jaem_N810 | -grin- |
| 20:19.53 | jaem_N810 | has anyone else tried qtnx in extras-devel? |
| 20:20.38 | x29a | Stskeeps: is screen available in some package? or would i have to build it myself? |
| 20:21.53 | Stskeeps | x29a: i got a package i think |
| 20:21.57 | Stskeeps | not sure where from |
| 20:22.00 | Stskeeps | try packrat? |
| 20:22.42 | Macer | ok |
| 20:22.45 | Macer | i give up on second life |
| 20:22.46 | Macer | wtf |
| 20:22.46 | x29a | no clue what packrat would be |
| 20:22.48 | Macer | :) |
| 20:22.56 | slonopotamus | gimme strace! :) |
| 20:22.57 | Macer | fucking site has a problem with its registration page |
| 20:23.19 | Macer | it fucks up yesterday and says its unavailable and today says that i had too many registrations from my household |
| 20:23.32 | Macer | they should find the disgusting coder that made that reg page and fire him :) |
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| 20:23.46 | jaem_N810 | Macer: I've never used SL, but my uni has a campus there |
| 20:23.47 | x29a | i bet hes busy playing second life |
| 20:23.57 | Stskeeps | and having virtual sex with his creations |
| 20:24.01 | x29a | bah |
| 20:24.05 | Macer | jaem_N810: lol well.. their registration is broken |
| 20:24.11 | Macer | not only that.. there is no way to contact them |
| 20:24.30 | Macer | the only place you can contact is "billing" go figure |
| 20:24.45 | jaem_N810 | well, not a campus per se, but they lease an island, and have a lecture hall and a few other things, and the building is inspired by one of our campii |
| 20:24.48 | Macer | i wonder how many thousands of probable users they are losing |
| 20:24.55 | jaem_N810 | huh |
| 20:25.13 | Macer | jaem_N810: their site has no way to contact them without an account |
| 20:25.17 | jaem_N810 | maybe it's like the ISP tech support that tells you to go online |
| 20:25.28 | Macer | so what do you do if their registration site is broken and you can't create an account? :) |
| 20:25.38 | jaem_N810 | register, of course :P |
| 20:25.46 | Macer | lol |
| 20:25.52 | Macer | with the broken registration page? |
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| 20:26.04 | jaem_N810 | exactly |
| 20:26.09 | Macer | that says "unavailable" then tells you "you have too many accounts in your household" |
| 20:26.21 | Macer | which i'm guessing is because the attempts yesterday went through halfass |
| 20:26.29 | jaem_N810 | lol |
| 20:26.30 | Macer | because of a poorly coded registration page |
| 20:26.32 | jaem_N810 | probably |
| 20:26.37 | jaem_N810 | yay bad code |
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| 20:26.54 | Macer | it probably logs the ip and now i probably have 4 accounts |
| 20:27.07 | Macer | that i can't use :) lol |
| 20:27.14 | jaem_N810 | we need a poster campaign: "Bad Code Costs Lives" |
| 20:27.40 | Macer | haha |
| 20:27.40 | jaem_N810 | and have a gruesome video, like the workplace safety videos they show people |
| 20:27.45 | Macer | costs money at the least :) |
| 20:27.54 | Macer | right now i could be checking out second life buying stuff on it |
| 20:27.57 | jaem_N810 | guy getting mauled by a malfunctioning shrinter |
| 20:28.08 | Macer | so i was kind of serious when i said someone should be fired |
| 20:28.27 | Macer | i will forget about it and wait a few days and try again and see what happens |
| 20:29.08 | mavhc | code monkey say maybe manager wanna write goddamn login page himself |
| 20:29.18 | jaem_N810 | a friend of a friend once won a contest, because he noticed a hidden field: "win="false"" |
| 20:29.24 | jaem_N810 | that's bad code |
| 20:29.42 | jaem_N810 | mavhc: XD |
| 20:33.16 | jaem_N810 | has anything been hinted about a Skype update for Fremantle? |
| 20:35.04 | lcuk | mavhc, jc is an exceptional artist :) |
| 20:35.25 | Jaffa | jaem_N810: Nope - nothing hinted third-party s/w wise at all, AFAICR |
| 20:36.58 | jaem_N810 | Jaffa: darn... the current client is... lacking |
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| 20:37.50 | jaem_N810 | I'm surprised they didn't include SMS functionality, as you'd think that N810 users would like that, anyway |
| 20:38.24 | jaem_N810 | I know on the desktop Linux client, SMS is not exposed, but can be accessed through the API |
| 20:38.26 | Jaffa | MMS/SMS might very well be built in to Fremantle, what with the HSPA stack |
| 20:38.36 | jaem_N810 | ah, right |
| 20:39.20 | jaem_N810 | any idea if the current client has SMS available internally? |
| 20:39.45 | jaem_N810 | I've seen a python app for the desktop that adds a GUI for that |
| 20:40.00 | Jaffa | No idea |
| 20:40.37 | Stskeeps | try? :P |
| 20:40.42 | Stskeeps | there's python-skype so |
| 20:40.56 | jaem_N810 | okay, I will then |
| 20:41.11 | jaem_N810 | I hadn't had time to look into it - it was a passing thought :P |
| 20:41.40 | jaem_N810 | it's a pity the Skype subscriptions don't (last I checked) include SMS |
| 20:42.03 | luke-jr | Skype ftl |
| 20:43.06 | jaem_N810 | luke-jr: it's not perfect, but it's a lot cheaper for me than getting a long-distance plan |
| 20:43.14 | jaem_N810 | and it works on all my devices |
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| 20:48.44 | luke-jr | ⦠or he could just get a standard VoIP service |
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| 21:03.06 | x29a | hm, how would i get curl? |
| 21:03.27 | x29a | somehow my apt-get doesnt know about too many packages |
| 21:05.15 | lcuk | add moar repositories |
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| 21:07.46 | x29a | lcuk: which ones? |
| 21:10.13 | mavhc | isn't curl built in, just with an odd name? |
| 21:11.27 | x29a | mavhc: tell me more! |
| 21:23.48 | tank-man | x29a, have you enabled the extras repo? |
| 21:23.53 | x29a | yes |
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| 21:34.44 | mavhc | maemo-mini-curl perhaps |
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| 21:51.30 | x29a | mavhc: hm, true, but it doesnt support what i need, bummer |
| 21:51.43 | x29a | in principle itd be all fine if openvpn was more up2date |
| 21:59.33 | pupnik_ | can ext3 storee files bigger than 1.2GB? |
| 21:59.47 | pupnik_ | my vmware image download died at 1.2GB twice |
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| 22:06.29 | mikkov_ | pupnik_: yes it can |
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| 22:06.50 | pupnik_ | k |
| 22:06.55 | pupnik_ | 3rd attempt |
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| 22:31.36 | jaem | do we have Mono support for Maemo, or do I have to wait for Mer? |
| 22:31.50 | jaem | also, does it run well enough to be useful? |
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| 22:42.40 | yandere | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=287709&postcount=119 -- hahahahaha!!!!!!! |
| 23:06.31 | mavhc | managed code + 128MB ram = fail |
| 23:06.57 | pupnik_ | hohoho |
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| 23:13.33 | jaem | mavhc: that's kind of what I figured |
| 23:15.30 | jaem | huh... some crazy physicists figure they can make something to see through a virtual hole in the wall, with cloaking technology |
| 23:15.37 | jaem | http://arxiv.org/abs/0905.1484 |
| 23:25.30 | GeneralAntilles | jaem, sipphone.com is a better VoIP solution if you don't have a lot of other people using Skype. |
| 23:25.34 | GeneralAntilles | Open standards. |
| 23:26.26 | jaem | GeneralAntilles: I fully agree on the Open Standards part, but I do have a bunch of Skype contacts, and although some of them would be sympathetic to that point, their contacts may not |
| 23:26.48 | jaem | does sipphone.com have cheap calling to real phones? |
| 23:29.32 | GAN800 | jaem, marginally cheaper than Skype. |
| 23:29.45 | GAN800 | You can use rtcomm which is a big plus. |
| 23:29.50 | jaem | yeah, that's what I was thinking |
| 23:30.04 | jaem | when you say cheaper, are you referring to per-minute billing, or do they have subscriptions, too? |
| 23:30.17 | GAN800 | Per-minute |
| 23:30.21 | jaem | darn |
| 23:30.25 | jaem | that's out, then |
| 23:30.32 | GAN800 | Don't think they have subscriptions but I'm not sure. |
| 23:30.44 | jaem | I already pay too much for my cell, and I can only afford Skype as well because of the subscriptions |
| 23:31.02 | GAN800 | You use that many minutes? |
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| 23:31.18 | jaem | I use enough on average that it's still significantly cheaper |
| 23:31.25 | GAN800 | Ah |
| 23:31.30 | jaem | but nowhere near the 10,000 minute/month limit |
| 23:32.34 | jaem | what I had thought of doing was setting one of the unlimited calling numbers on my cell (plan feature) to my dorm landline, and then routing calls through Skype |
| 23:32.52 | jaem | but I don't have the PSTN hardware, and I couldn't find a free Skype gateway |
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| 23:33.02 | jaem | (in software, that is) |
| 23:33.34 | jaem | lol @ http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2072/3531235979_c1508edcf8_o.png |
| 23:34.49 | jaem | is rebooting, and will be back after these messages |
| 23:35.06 | jaem | Message from our sponsors: System is going down for reboot NOW |
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| 23:44.31 | jaem | gah - my touchpad is acting up |
| 23:45.07 | jaem | conveniently, this laptop is technically on loan, so if it is actually borked, I won't have to pay for a replacement |
| 23:47.03 | jaem | I've been discussing Todo apps over at #tasque on irc.gnome.org... I haven't found anything yet that I like |
| 23:47.14 | jaem | DoneIt for maemo seems promising |
| 23:47.38 | jaem | but DoneIt isn't Done |
| 23:47.44 | kfx | I've been banging my head against finding useful groupware that can sync with maemo apps |
| 23:48.03 | kfx | almost got it working with funambol+citadel and the pimlico apps |
| 23:48.17 | kfx | ...but not reliably or well :/ |
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| 23:48.44 | jaem | hrm |
| 23:48.51 | jaem | Pimlico is pretty barebones...] |
| 23:48.56 | jaem | otherwise it would be okay |
| 23:49.08 | jaem | but the calendar app can't even do repeating events :S |
| 23:49.24 | jaem | is development on Pimlico still happening? |
| 23:49.39 | kfx | no idea |
| 23:49.53 | kfx | I can't find a whole lot that's been worked on in a year or two |
| 23:50.02 | kfx | I'd use gpe if it integrated at all with anything else on the device |
| 23:50.09 | jaem | same here |
| 23:50.15 | jaem | but it just doesn't |
| 23:50.51 | kfx | on the other hand, pimlico stuff is GPL |
| 23:51.11 | jaem | there are so many PIM suites out there, and aside from a few desktop-oriented suites, and a few individual programs, everything seems half-finished, abandoned, or just not what I'm looking for |
| 23:51.25 | jaem | kfx: true, but I'm not up to that atm |
| 23:51.48 | kfx | jaem: neither am I but I'm getting there fast |
| 23:52.00 | jaem | I learned coding on useless languages of the MS variety, and haven't had nearly enough experience with anything else to do much on Linux yet |
| 23:52.06 | kfx | I'll probably wrench calendar source out of jpilot and cram it into dates |
| 23:52.17 | jaem | speaking of, I need to get some studying done in that area ;) |
| 23:52.17 | kfx | then make the sync backend speak something more modern, like ical 2.0 |
| 23:52.18 | jaem | lol |
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| 23:55.19 | torkiano | hello, I get this error when ./configure: |
| 23:55.20 | jaem_afk-ish | kfx: you should use bogobogosort in it somewhere |
| 23:55.22 | torkiano | Makefile.am:6: HAVE_GNOME_DOC_UTILS does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL |
| 23:55.49 | jaem_afk-ish | kfx: the author of that algorithm said a 7-element array didn't finish sorting when he left it overnight |
| 23:55.53 | jaem_afk-ish | XD |
| 23:55.58 | jaem_afk-ish | torkiano: which app? |
| 23:56.25 | torkiano | jaem_afk-ish, is a personal app |
| 23:56.35 | jaem_afk-ish | kfx: http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/bogobogosort.html |
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| 23:57.01 | jaem_afk-ish | torkiano: I'm not the one to ask, sorry |
| 23:57.23 | torkiano | jaem_afk-ish, no problem |
| 23:57.31 | jaem_afk-ish | is pingable, but not fully here |
