| 00:00.10 | torkiano | saruji, and #mer channel ;) |
| 00:00.24 | saruji | thank you |
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| 01:04.47 | GAN800 | Nice, Jussi supporting pb's insanity blog post. . . . |
| 01:05.11 | luke-jr_ | ? |
| 01:05.40 | GAN800 | tablethacker.com Post 1 Comment 4 |
| 01:06.33 | luke-jr_ | bleh |
| 01:06.38 | luke-jr_ | link?? |
| 01:09.25 | GAN800 | http://tablethacker.com/wp/?p=366&lang=en-us#comments last comment, not that exciting though. |
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| 01:58.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | insanity? |
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| 01:58.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems pretty normal to me |
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| 02:11.03 | Andrewfblack | Hello |
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| 03:45.33 | luke-jr_ | errr |
| 03:45.35 | luke-jr_ | wtf? :/ |
| 03:45.45 | luke-jr_ | my N810 just shutdown (normally) all of a sudden |
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| 03:45.48 | luke-jr_ | and won't turn on |
| 03:46.07 | luke-jr_ | oh, the plug came out... |
| 03:46.23 | luke-jr_ | but sparked when I plugged in back in :/ |
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| 04:45.53 | ShadowJK | luke: sparked between n810 and charger tip or transformer and mains outlet? |
| 04:46.24 | ShadowJK | the latter isn't extremely uncommon |
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| 05:28.45 | amoult | Does anyone know how to create <app>.desktop file for own application, so it would show up application menus? |
| 05:30.06 | amoult | I've created a little hello world application and deb packakge as per instructions here: http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node14.html. Everetyhing else is clear, but whats the contents of app.desktop file and is there some tool to generate it? |
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| 05:33.11 | kfx | amoult: afaik that standard is here: http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/ar01s04.html |
| 05:33.14 | RST38h | amoult: there is a tutorial |
| 05:34.21 | kfx | sorry amoult I gave you the wrong link |
| 05:34.24 | kfx | http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ |
| 05:34.32 | kfx | ^^ that's the .desktop specification |
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| 05:35.16 | RST38h | http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node7.html |
| 05:35.23 | amoult | Ok thanks :) |
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| 05:47.54 | thux | morning |
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| 07:11.42 | Stskeeps | morning timeless_mbp |
| 07:12.30 | timeless_mbp | um, 12:12 am, so i guess |
| 07:12.35 | timeless_mbp | but i think it's night time :) |
| 07:12.37 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 07:12.44 | Stskeeps | UGT ;) |
| 07:13.05 | Stskeeps | however it disturbs people when you use ugt in real life.. |
| 07:14.55 | timeless_mbp | indeed |
| 07:15.12 | timeless_mbp | i think that /ctcp timeless_mbp time probably works |
| 07:15.28 | timeless_mbp | grumbles |
| 07:15.33 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 07:15.47 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles // Stskeeps : did someone tell penguinbait that he miss-wrote <maemo.org> ? |
| 07:16.12 | timeless_mbp | grumbles |
| 07:16.13 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: i personally ignore penguinbait, but that's just me :P |
| 07:16.22 | timeless_mbp | and someone needs to teach him how to use punctuation |
| 07:16.55 | timeless_mbp | he uses <'>s randomly (where they don't belong...) and doesn't use <,>'s (in places where they're necessary) |
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| 07:44.45 | slonopotamus | -Stskeeps- VERSION irssi v0.8.10 - running on SunOS i86pc o_O |
| 07:45.11 | Stskeeps | yeah.. Nexenta |
| 07:45.59 | Stskeeps | i run my irssi on my file server so |
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| 07:47.58 | slonopotamus | should newborn open-wlan-cal read data from /dev/mtd1 or separate reading+storing in a file from reading from file/sending to device? |
| 07:48.45 | Stskeeps | i'd say read from mtd1 |
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| 08:46.47 | Stskeeps | andre__: http://xkcd.com/583/ :> |
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| 08:50.34 | andre__ | Stskeeps, uahh....!!! |
| 08:51.00 | aquatix | :) |
| 08:51.03 | Stskeeps | taking bug tracking too far :> |
| 08:51.16 | andre__ | have to talk to my boss first before i'd do that. people around told me it's expensive and a long-term investment around 20years |
| 08:51.29 | Stskeeps | hehe |
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| 09:07.24 | RST38h | While cleaning the fridge, the combination of chemical solvents with neatly labeled cups of rotting yoghurt and pork-roast parfaits created a cloud of toxic fumes that prompted a 911 call and the dispatch of a hazmat team. |
| 09:07.39 | RST38h | -28 people |
| 09:07.58 | lcuk | i gather thats a real one and not one of your tales from the crypt things |
| 09:09.31 | RST38h | lcuk: It ends with a 911 call, so it could not come from the SCP site =) |
| 09:11.33 | lcuk | is that scp site an open wiki |
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| 09:13.42 | lcuk | ahhh yes its on wikidot |
| 09:18.26 | RST38h | lcuk: It is a wiki but they seem to grant merit-based modification rights |
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| 09:19.11 | florian | good morning |
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| 09:56.22 | lcuk | mornin danielwilms \o |
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| 09:56.50 | danielwilms | hey lcuk :) |
| 09:58.21 | lcuk | danielwilms, you should checkout the council uniforms design competition thread no talk :D its lookin cool so far! |
| 09:59.43 | lcuk | on talk ^ |
| 10:01.17 | slonopotamus | anyone wants to join dsme rewrite project? :P i almost got wlan-cal |
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| 10:01.50 | florian | likes the idea but lacks time |
| 10:02.47 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: DSME is already open source |
| 10:02.55 | Stskeeps | but feel free to improve on the open one |
| 10:03.22 | slonopotamus | show me the source :) |
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| 10:03.31 | Stskeeps | sure, se |
| 10:03.32 | Stskeeps | c |
| 10:04.13 | Stskeeps | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=dsm |
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| 10:18.03 | slonopotamus | okay. if this is dsme, where's wlan-cal server side? |
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| 10:19.18 | andre__ | bangs head against wall |
| 10:19.22 | slonopotamus | where is code accessing /dev/mtd1? |
| 10:30.33 | slonopotamus | i dunnow what's this, but it is definitely not [all] sources of thing that listens on /tmp/dsmesock :) |
| 10:30.58 | X-Fade | slonopotamus: Only client side, I think. |
| 10:31.42 | slonopotamus | X-Fade, then it's useless and my project still has reason to exist :) |
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| 10:33.22 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: there's a plugin for CAL access which is not OSS :P |
| 10:33.33 | slonopotamus | CAL - ? |
| 10:33.53 | Stskeeps | CAL is the area in flash where partition table, some config settings, wifi calibration data, etci s |
| 10:34.11 | slonopotamus | /dev/mtd1 you wanted to say? :) |
| 10:34.33 | Stskeeps | that's the area in flash :P |
| 10:35.09 | slonopotamus | that's the most interesting part of whole dsme. |
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| 10:36.22 | slonopotamus | is there anything useful in opened parts? wd kicker? |
| 10:37.17 | slonopotamus | thermal management... have you ever heard of tablet that turned off because it was too hot? |
| 10:37.47 | X-Fade | slonopotamus: Try it out? Put it in the oven and _slowly_ turn up the heat? |
| 10:38.15 | slonopotamus | X-Fade, something more realistic, please |
| 10:38.24 | X-Fade | I would imagine that it should kick in pretty soon. |
| 10:38.30 | X-Fade | At like 65C orso. |
| 10:38.38 | X-Fade | Which is far too low to do any damage. |
| 10:39.00 | slonopotamus | and what's the point then? |
| 10:39.07 | X-Fade | slonopotamus: See if it works? |
| 10:39.13 | slonopotamus | why turn off if no damage? |
| 10:39.27 | slonopotamus | when it's too hot, turning off won't help :) |
| 10:39.29 | X-Fade | slonopotamus: Ah, I meant to melt plastic orso. |
| 10:39.55 | lbt | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8047546.stm Intel has been fined a record 1.06bn euros |
| 10:40.12 | slonopotamus | okay, useless. smth else? |
| 10:41.34 | slonopotamus | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/dsme/trunk/modules/dsme_wd.c?revision=155&root=dsm&view=markup |
| 10:41.34 | slonopotamus | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/dsme/trunk/modules/hwwd.c?revision=155&root=dsm&view=markup |
| 10:41.35 | slonopotamus | o_O |
| 10:42.15 | slonopotamus | ah. kicker and 'kicker thread'. |
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| 10:43.12 | slonopotamus | okaaay |
| 10:43.17 | slonopotamus | i ran 'make' |
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| 10:44.21 | RST38h | moos gleefully |
| 10:44.23 | slonopotamus | dsme-cal.c:29:17: error: cal.h:No such file or directory |
| 10:44.47 | slonopotamus | aaand? abusing gpl? :) |
| 10:45.23 | Stskeeps | you haven't officially received any binaries with it compiled in :P |
| 10:45.54 | RST38h | hardcore gpl abuse detected |
| 10:46.38 | RST38h | btw, anyone knows what OpenMoko's screen size is? |
| 10:47.09 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, hmm... right |
| 10:48.06 | lardman | morning |
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| 10:50.49 | slonopotamus | write(wd_fd, "*\n", 2) hehe :) watchdog likes asterisks |
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| 10:51.10 | lcuk | \o mornin lardman |
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| 10:51.42 | lardman | hi lcuk |
| 10:52.35 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, do i understand correct that whole point of watchdog is to reboot device if battery charge controller feels bad? |
| 10:52.37 | lardman | ah, the wonders of dwarf |
| 10:53.23 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, i don't see why crashing X, for example, is so bad that reboot is required. |
| 10:54.38 | slonopotamus | so if battery charger is written as kernel module, process wd isn't needed. no process but charger is so important that if it dies, immediate reset is required |
| 10:55.22 | X-Fade | slonopotamus: If the device freezes because X crashed, the user doesn't know what to do. |
| 10:55.36 | X-Fade | slonopotamus: So it just reboots to get it in working order again. |
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| 10:56.07 | lardman | if a certain kernel module contains functions such as kfree, amongst others, does that mean it's using GPL code (aka the kernel) and therefore the source ought to be available? |
| 10:57.02 | lardman | s/contains/calls |
| 10:57.09 | slonopotamus | X-Fade, ahha, welcome to reboot loops. |
| 10:57.20 | slonopotamus | X-Fade, they are much more user-friendly |
| 10:57.40 | RST38h | slonopotamus: Watchdog reboots device when it stops responding, in general |
| 10:57.48 | X-Fade | slonopotamus: Well sure, but most of the time X freezes it is just because it crashed.. |
| 10:57.57 | X-Fade | slonopotamus: Not corrupted the fs. |
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| 10:58.18 | RST38h | slonopotamus: even without battery charger, your device may hang for some reason and this is when watcdog reboots it |
| 10:58.34 | RST38h | slonopotamus: absolutely the same mechanism is used in Nokia's Symbian phones |
| 10:59.07 | slonopotamus | RST38h, same applies to any computer device. most of them happily live without process wd. |
| 10:59.29 | X-Fade | I'd rather have it reboot once than spinning the cpu at 100% when it is out of control and depleting the battery that way. |
| 11:00.05 | slonopotamus | reboot loop = 100% cpu usage |
| 11:00.23 | X-Fade | reboot loops are very rare. |
| 11:00.41 | X-Fade | And when that happens, there is no rescue for regular users anyway. |
| 11:01.50 | lardman | hopefully reboot loops will become a thing of the past for normal users with Fremantle |
| 11:02.12 | lardman | what with separating out the desktop applet stuff from essential launcher functionality, etc |
| 11:02.32 | slonopotamus | lardman, if fremantle has wd, it has a chance to go into reboot loop :) |
| 11:02.57 | X-Fade | slonopotamus: What good has a device that doesn't respond? |
| 11:03.01 | lardman | but it depends what causes the ui to hang though |
| 11:03.36 | slonopotamus | X-Fade, how often does X hang for you (on desktop, for ex)? |
| 11:04.05 | thux | btw when have to pull out battery, does it make fs dirty in this jffs case? |
| 11:04.24 | lardman | thux: I think not as it's journalled and atomic |
| 11:04.35 | thux | ok |
| 11:04.50 | lardman | though sometimes you get hanging nodes, but it doesn't break the fs |
| 11:04.52 | lardman | I think anyway |
| 11:05.00 | X-Fade | slonopotamus: Depends, let's say a few times per month. And you don't want that with device when you are on the move. |
| 11:05.15 | X-Fade | slonopotamus: And you can't expect a user to drop to the console and fix things. |
| 11:05.40 | lardman | I never have X hang, it's always the desktop (usually the taskbar) |
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| 11:08.34 | slonopotamus | X-Fade, hang, not crash? because crashed x automatically restarts everywhere |
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| 11:13.25 | lcuk | slonopotamus, my laptop stops responding completely every now and then |
| 11:13.32 | b-man | leaves for school |
| 11:13.53 | slonopotamus | lcuk, fsck /dev/hands ? :) |
| 11:14.13 | lcuk | i dunno i cant click a menu cos the mouse froze |
| 11:14.32 | lcuk | and shouldnt that be /dev/finger |
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| 11:15.33 | thux | in my lap strange option helped freezing |
| 11:15.36 | lcuk | it used to be when the network broke, i think there was sometihng dodgy in the old driver i was using or the sshfs connection but thats a guess |
| 11:16.20 | thux | clocksource=hpet helped me |
| 11:17.19 | lcuk | the problem is "my laptop freezes" isnt a very clear bug report, do i send it to lenovo or to ubuntu or to any one of the 100 or so packages i was using at the time |
| 11:17.49 | lcuk | so i just reboot \@/ |
| 11:18.37 | lcuk | now, if my windows box crashes i can get reasonable info on whats happening ;) |
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| 11:21.48 | lcuk | VDVsx, you bastard |
| 11:21.58 | VDVsx | lcuk, hahahahah |
| 11:22.11 | lcuk | :D |
| 11:22.15 | lcuk | its a great thread |
| 11:22.24 | VDVsx | lcuk, I know you want one |
| 11:23.22 | lcuk | it does look cool with all of them there :) i am biased, but think GeneralAntilles suits the star trek uniform better :D |
| 11:24.48 | VDVsx | lcuk, one thing I learned from this thread, don't mess with penguinbait, he have great photoshop skills :P |
| 11:25.31 | lcuk | agreed lol |
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| 11:45.14 | RST38h | still thinks the council has to be suited in the new maemo.org design colors |
| 11:45.19 | Stskeeps | then again |
| 11:45.23 | Stskeeps | those suits are awesome. |
| 11:45.23 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:45.37 | RST38h | + I want the sidebar hanging from their butts like a tail |
| 11:46.01 | Stskeeps | whip out the photoshop, seems to be a good and humorous way to deal with the anger ;) |
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| 11:46.10 | crashanddie_ | I think you made it quite clear now you really want to put the sidebar "up their arse", literally |
| 11:46.30 | RST38h | crash: Not yet but as you see I am slowly getting there =) |
| 11:47.12 | RST38h | krisse actually rises up a good topic: does Maemo need a mascot? =) |
| 11:47.41 | Stskeeps | i vote for penguinbait on a stick |
| 11:49.18 | lcuk | i dont, if the changeover had gone without mutiny i wouldv thought something was wrong, people are people and disagreements happen, but on the whole things are calming down now and the mood in the forum seems to be calming down |
| 11:49.35 | lcuk | tho we will have the "make a new poll" meme for pretty much everything for the next few months ;) |
| 11:49.43 | Stskeeps | yeah, i understand the mutiny really |
| 11:50.58 | lcuk | the biggest shock and improvement to the forums hasnt been the theme change or the sidebar or the polls about polls, it was finding out about the amazing ispy page that exists |
| 11:51.17 | lcuk | it gives the same overview that i used to look on the frontpage for but i can leave it up and its live :) |
| 11:51.59 | lcuk | ( http://talk.maemo.org/vaispy.php ) |
| 11:55.17 | lcuk | completely offtopic, is there a coders wiki anywhere, something with an indenting wysiwyg code editor (perhaps with code syntax coloring) |
| 12:03.16 | RST38h | umgh |
| 12:03.27 | RST38h | it is called Microsoft Studio .NET :) |
| 12:04.01 | amoult | Has anyone done any QT development for Maemo? |
| 12:04.20 | RST38h | iSpy "bold" posts look dead ugly i IE =) |
| 12:04.30 | cosmo | amoult: yes |
| 12:05.18 | amoult | Any pointers how I could set up autoconf/automake environment so it would play nicely with qmake |
| 12:05.58 | lbt | amoult: Qt installs and runs nicely on Diablo and Mer |
| 12:06.07 | amoult | yeah I know :) |
| 12:06.41 | lbt | ah, gotcha, the full conftools setup |
| 12:06.52 | lbt | try #qt ? |
| 12:07.04 | lbt | I was wondering myself |
| 12:07.11 | lcuk | RST38h, its just an alternative and it works nicely for me |
| 12:07.20 | lbt | how to 'properly' package a Qt app and/or library |
| 12:07.29 | lcuk | RST38h, and .net isnt exactly what im thinking |
| 12:07.58 | cosmo | amoult: don't use autoconf/automake |
| 12:08.14 | cosmo | just use qmake and debian/rules that build using it |
| 12:08.53 | lcuk | if a decent enough web code editor could be made and code stored into a wiki it would be fun - just as an experiment of course :) |
| 12:09.05 | RST38h | lcuk: guess what, such a thing exists |
| 12:09.36 | RST38h | lcuk: http://robrohan.com/projects/9ne/ |
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| 12:10.28 | lcuk | :D thanks RST38h |
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| 12:11.20 | amoult | Cosmo: now I have two qmake project files, one for Maemo and one for Linux. |
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| 12:19.28 | amoult | I just want to take a look at the automake system to learn how to set it up, but would still like to retain ability to use qmake / QT Creator along with it |
| 12:21.15 | cosmo | qmake and autotools do mostly the same thing |
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| 12:31.55 | amoult | yes mostly. It just would be nice to be able to run .configure with some options and have all set up to create package for different kind of targets |
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| 12:43.12 | GAN800 | timeless, he doesn't care. It's intentional and out of spite. |
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| 12:49.27 | thux | irritating that wlan phone wlan doesn't work without sim card |
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| 12:49.58 | RST38h | what would be kept on a sim card in a wlan phone?? |
| 12:50.51 | lcuk | RST38h, your phone number for one thing |
| 12:51.25 | RST38h | lcuk: AFAIK, sim cards do not store their corresponding phone numbers |
| 12:51.47 | RST38h | lcuk: At least MTS cards do not: this data is only known to the central database |
| 12:51.49 | lcuk | i never have to enter the number into my phones when i switch sims around |
| 12:52.09 | RST38h | lcuk: Correct :) That is because your IMSI is stored on a sim card |
| 12:52.14 | lcuk | yeah but the info is stored on the sim to lookup the number - to a user the phone number is stored there |
| 12:52.38 | RST38h | lcuk: To a user yes, but not to a wlan phone unless this phone can access GSM network |
| 12:53.13 | RST38h | lcuk: As a user, you need to call a special 4-digit number (for MTS) to find out the phone number corresponding to your card |
| 12:53.19 | lcuk | just guessing here, but at some point wouldnt said phone have to talk with the phone companies themselves and hence register itself so it can get incoming calls? |
| 12:53.32 | RST38h | Not wlan stuff |
| 12:53.45 | lcuk | wlan cannot accept incoming calls? |
| 12:53.50 | RST38h | Wlan phone only needs to register itself with the VoIP gateway to receove calls |
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| 12:54.07 | lcuk | but the voip gateway needs to know your number .. |
| 12:54.15 | RST38h | nope |
| 12:54.21 | qgil | Hi, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=287038 Maemo Summit dates and venue! |
| 12:54.26 | RST38h | VoIP gateway needs to know the IP :) |
| 12:54.50 | andrewfblack | Well just checked the price for flying to Amsterdam |
| 12:55.00 | qgil | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009 |
| 12:55.02 | Stskeeps | qgil: fantastic :) |
| 12:55.02 | RST38h | Ah, Amsterdam... |
| 12:55.08 | lcuk | :D qgil |
| 12:55.17 | RST38h | Andrew: Minimalist2? When? Please? =) |
| 12:56.01 | qgil | I'm learning about multithreading these days, deciding a Summit venue in Amsterdam while pushing a hackfest in Copenhagen... :) |
| 12:56.21 | andrewfblack | RST38h: I've got to finish about a half a dozen little bugs, I'll try and finish it up today |
| 12:56.32 | RST38h | ah |
| 12:56.39 | RST38h | Andrew: thanks in advance though =) |
| 12:56.51 | lcuk | qgil, are you wearing your pimped out costume to the hackfest? :D |
| 12:57.12 | qgil | am I missing anything in that thread? I didn't even opened it... :/ |
| 12:57.21 | VDVsx | qgil, omg |
| 12:57.22 | Stskeeps | yes, you're missing out :) |
| 12:57.24 | lcuk | with costumes like that we need a maemo backing track band! |
| 12:57.32 | lcuk | lol qgil, its amazing! |
| 12:57.39 | qgil | it says it's for council members, isn't it? |
| 12:57.54 | lcuk | yes but somehow you got roped into it |
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| 12:58.24 | lcuk | i believe you even joined dr peppers lonely hearts band at some point too |
| 12:58.41 | Stskeeps | at least it seems like community has mellowed out a little more now :) |
| 12:58.48 | qgil | lemme see... |
| 12:59.07 | lcuk | yeah :) light hearted ribbing |
| 12:59.26 | lcuk | anyway,bbl compilings done here |
| 12:59.59 | roope | light ribbing - for her pleasure. |
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| 13:01.06 | qgil | hey, I ws not aware of my avatar having CC license... |
| 13:01.15 | RST38h | qgil: I am not sure you want to open THAT thread |
| 13:01.19 | qgil | too late |
| 13:01.39 | RST38h | At least put the food away if eating |
| 13:01.50 | qgil | too late |
| 13:01.52 | qgil | ;) |
| 13:02.10 | qgil | so what are these 90 posts about |
| 13:02.32 | X-Fade | Too much time on their hands? |
| 13:02.39 | lcuk | community relaxing and having a laugh :) |
| 13:03.14 | RST38h | qgil: Is there some definite schedule for the Amsterdam event already? With the talk topics, etc.? |
| 13:04.03 | X-Fade | RST38h: lol, this is the first mention of the summit ;) |
| 13:04.36 | X-Fade | Almost half a year away.. |
| 13:05.02 | RST38h | X-Fade: Maybe I am just approaching it from a different direction... |
| 13:05.24 | X-Fade | RST38h: All the cool topic now, can be boring then? |
| 13:05.29 | X-Fade | And vice versa ;_ |
| 13:06.15 | VDVsx | RST38h, one of the topics should be Harmattan, by the announcement |
| 13:06.24 | qgil | RST38h: there is no schedule for Copenhagen in 2 weeks, leave alone Amsterdam in 5 months... |
| 13:06.34 | RST38h | VDVsx: =) With OFono, as promised by Quim =) |
| 13:06.46 | VDVsx | RST38h, lol |
| 13:07.05 | inz | ofono only includes at-code this far :( |
| 13:07.27 | qgil | RST38h: watch out before someone quotes you quoting me wrongly :) |
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| 13:07.43 | Stskeeps | and takes blurry pictures of the conversation |
| 13:08.34 | RST38h | qgil: Ah, I am purposely spreading rumors! |
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| 13:08.57 | RST38h | inz: Nothing wrong with at-code, that is how most baseband chips talk to their masters |
| 13:09.01 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, talking about blurry pictures, I count on you for the blurry pictures of the fremantle device at DK :P |
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| 13:09.23 | andrewfblack | I'll be more then happy to talk about anything anyone wants me to for a free ride there just checked pricing to fly there |
| 13:09.36 | RST38h | inz: So, ideally, you would be able to replace the bottom of oFono stack with any generic baseband hardware |
| 13:09.39 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: hey, i thought the xray of lcuk's finger was the new device.. |
| 13:10.19 | Stskeeps | but was rather confused it had a broken finger on it ;) |
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| 13:11.52 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, yeah, I suspect lcuk already have one of those devices, and the finger story as just a distraction move :P |
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| 13:14.06 | roope | Yeah, they currently only work on artificial finger styluses. |
| 13:14.53 | RST38h | Stskeeps: A blurry picture of Q7 named n915.gif and placed at one of those Chinese forums |
| 13:14.55 | qgil | VDVsx: I took a blurry picture, but it was in Amsterdam: http://www.flickr.com/photos/quimgil/3527500913/ |
| 13:15.04 | RST38h | Stskeeps: it will do wonders on iTT, believe me... |
| 13:16.45 | andrewfblack | needs to get motivated to finish minimalist 2.0 |
| 13:16.57 | VDVsx | qgil, need some painting :P |
| 13:17.00 | X-Fade | For laughs, try to pronounce all these room names ;) |
| 13:17.13 | qgil | "De Capel" |
| 13:17.14 | RST38h | The picture looks like a monastery |
| 13:17.17 | qgil | ;) |
| 13:17.24 | RST38h | Should we expects monks or nuns? |
| 13:17.35 | Stskeeps | RST38h: should really have renamed this video: http://blip.tv/file/2107449/ and posted it through translate.google.com .. |
| 13:17.57 | Stskeeps | and write "omg no dpad" or something |
| 13:17.57 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:18.06 | RST38h | Stskeeps: Do it! |
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| 13:19.15 | RST38h | Stskeeps: Although you may want to change Mer theme to something darker - lots of people have seen Mer already + they expect Fremantle to have a dark theme |
| 13:19.24 | Stskeeps | RST38h: that's qtablet, heh :P |
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| 13:21.23 | VDVsx | X-Fade, if I'm in front the centeral station, for each side is the venue ? |
| 13:21.30 | lcuk | heh @ finger conspiracies, Stskeeps the touchscreen seems about as responsive as my old one, graphics are nice and quick tho :D |
| 13:21.33 | Stskeeps | i really have way too much equipment on my table atm: smartq, n800, freerunner, 770, n800 with wobbly lcd, ti83plus, and a fonera router.. |
| 13:21.33 | RST38h | Stskeeps: even better as it would generate more conspiracy theories |
| 13:21.41 | X-Fade | VDVsx: ? |
| 13:21.55 | RST38h | What is the screen size of the Freerunner? |
| 13:22.09 | Stskeeps | 480x640 in standard pose |
| 13:22.14 | RST38h | And can I have a rom dump out of that 83+? Please? |
| 13:22.27 | Stskeeps | a |
| 13:22.27 | Stskeeps | h |
| 13:22.28 | RST38h | Sts: Ok, so that guy who wanted to port ati there still has a chance |
| 13:22.29 | Stskeeps | it's a ti84+ |
| 13:22.34 | RST38h | Even better |
| 13:22.41 | VDVsx | X-Fade, I thought you are Dutch and knew amsterdam :) |
| 13:23.06 | X-Fade | VDVsx: Well, I do but your question didn't make sense. |
| 13:23.55 | VDVsx | X-Fade, yah, a lot of typos :( |
| 13:24.52 | X-Fade | VDVsx: http://tinyurl.com/qk3h3b |
| 13:25.28 | X-Fade | 2.5 km from central station. Not that bad. |
| 13:25.44 | lcuk | Stskeeps, get some proper benchmarks on those systems, obviously its a step down by lacking the keyboard and camera and stuff, but has potential for general machine |
| 13:25.55 | lcuk | smartq^ |
| 13:26.24 | VDVsx | X-Fade, thanks, now I'm located :), never been in this part of the city, I guess |
| 13:27.19 | RST38h | Stskeeps: There is a program that you can run to dump it: http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/373/37341.html |
| 13:27.27 | lcuk | Stskeeps, is it deep? could you easily hang it on the wall, i know the 7" is larger and more rounded back and technically less capable |
| 13:27.51 | lcuk | (but more as wanted) |
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| 13:36.48 | VDVsx | lcuk, about the finger conspiracy - I still don't get how a door can do that much damage, I think we don't have those kind of evil doors in my country :) |
| 13:37.39 | RST38h | VDVsx: I think you need to visit scp-wiki.wikidot.com to get into the right mood for that =) |
| 13:38.24 | X-Fade | qgil: Do I create the event in events, or do you? :) |
| 13:38.50 | VDVsx | RST38h, lol |
| 13:39.00 | qgil | X-Fade: be my gest since I'm about to turn off the computer |
| 13:39.08 | X-Fade | qgil: Ok, no problem. |
| 13:39.21 | qgil | thanks! |
| 13:39.28 | qgil | ah, before I leave |
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| 13:39.48 | qgil | X-Fade: I think you are thinking too complex stuff for integrating tmo as infra for comments |
| 13:40.04 | X-Fade | qgil: We need to discuss it some more. |
| 13:40.07 | man_in_pda | question |
| 13:40.26 | X-Fade | qgil: As I think that just adding a link to comments and not displaying them on the site is a loss of functionality. |
| 13:40.26 | RST38h | no. |
| 13:41.04 | X-Fade | qgil: Same for not being able to comment directly on the page where you are.. |
| 13:41.29 | qgil | everybody loves arstechnica and the comments there are many and of good quality, worth reading (at least compared to other erm popular IT blogs) |
| 13:41.32 | qgil | yet look http://arstechnica.com/hardware/news/2009/05/wifi-goes-gigabit-but-wont-go-through-walls.ars |
| 13:41.55 | X-Fade | qgil: THey have banners to display ;) |
| 13:41.58 | qgil | they don't even tell you how many comments |
| 13:42.09 | X-Fade | qgil: They need the click throughs. |
| 13:42.19 | qgil | "Click here to view the comments on this article -->" |
| 13:42.34 | RST38h | qgil: Same happens on dpreview and other sites |
| 13:42.47 | X-Fade | I think that displaying comments directly under the article _adds_ to the informational value of the page. |
| 13:42.58 | qgil | meh |
| 13:43.06 | X-Fade | qgil: Especially in brainstorm case btw ;) |
| 13:43.14 | qgil | in exchange we get a platform that really invites to make comments, as opposed to the current comments |
| 13:43.17 | RST38h | I think the reasoning is that just a small number of people would actually discuss an article so showing comments right away is not essential |
| 13:43.19 | aquatix | dailywtf does the same |
| 13:43.56 | aquatix | not sure what showing comments does to loading time? |
| 13:44.13 | RST38h | It is a nice-to-have feature, i.e. if it does not cost users anything, it is worth having |
| 13:44.39 | aquatix | it makes the page bigger |
| 13:44.49 | VDVsx | agree with X-fade, personally don't like pages that hide the comments, and never read them because I'm lazy enough to not click the button |
| 13:44.51 | RST38h | But if it takes some important screen estate from other things, just have a link |
| 13:44.52 | aquatix | more KB's on you mobile :) |
| 13:45.04 | qgil | X-Fade: a brainstorm page with 1 idea and 2/3 solutions is already quite useful per se |
| 13:45.12 | RST38h | aquatix: That too :( |
| 13:45.14 | aquatix | but i like having the comments directly though |
| 13:45.16 | X-Fade | aquatix: Yeah, but if you want to read the comments it takes twice the time ;) |
| 13:45.29 | qgil | as I see it, getting rid of current Midgard comments and connecting to tmo fixes many problems and is worth doing |
| 13:45.31 | aquatix | X-Fade: well, dailywtf skips the article then, for example |
| 13:45.34 | RST38h | X-Fade: That assumes that everybody wants to read the comments |
| 13:45.37 | aquatix | but i don't really like that |
| 13:45.38 | qgil | then having comments on page is an enhancement |
| 13:45.46 | X-Fade | aquatix: As the latency for a request is worse on mobile. |
| 13:45.59 | qgil | between Midgard comments in page or tmo comments at tmo only, I would persnally prefer the second option |
| 13:46.11 | RST38h | X-Fade: So, if at least 50-70% want that then "yes", otherwise if it does not cost anything then still "yes", otherwise4 "no" |
| 13:47.09 | qgil | I think it's fair to assume that for Downloads and even Brainstorm the majority of users go there to read and make one click (download or up/down) |
| 13:47.37 | X-Fade | qgil: I really think that comments add value to the product description in downloads. |
| 13:47.49 | X-Fade | qgil: But maybe that is just me? |
| 13:47.52 | qgil | sure |
| 13:48.03 | qgil | they are 1 click away for the users, or... how many hours for Reggie and you? |
| 13:48.55 | X-Fade | Well, it is going to be a lot of work to implement correctly ;) |
| 13:49.12 | qgil | and because tmo is all about comments, at the end they offer a better value for users than an infra for comments that is not really inviting |
| 13:49.13 | X-Fade | And we need to provide back links etc.. |
| 13:49.26 | X-Fade | Bouncing between two websites can get confusing. |
| 13:49.41 | RST38h | qgil: Can I complain about Downloads please? |
| 13:49.45 | qgil | that is my point, it doesn't seem to confure Ars people |
| 13:50.03 | X-Fade | qgil: Well, that is is the same site. |
| 13:50.09 | qgil | RST38h: the poor X-Fade, give him a break :) |
| 13:50.22 | RST38h | qgil: Naah, I want to complain to you :) |
| 13:50.39 | RST38h | qgil: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4369 |
| 13:50.40 | qgil | X-Fade: for the user bmo and tmo or dmo are also the same site |
| 13:51.16 | qgil | RST38h: I have nothing to do with this :) |
| 13:51.19 | qgil | I warned you |
| 13:51.21 | RST38h | qgil: I do not know who made that decision and why, do remember complaining about it during some Sprint but it changed nothing |
| 13:51.28 | X-Fade | qgil: Ok, but we don't have any user sync. So people can't comment without talk account. |
| 13:51.53 | X-Fade | There are all these little details that make the experience ugly, in my view. |
| 13:52.00 | qgil | X-Fade: I never said you were wrong by saying that SSOP is a dependency :) |
| 13:52.07 | qgil | SSO |
| 13:52.27 | RST38h | qgil: At least comment something there - isn't it ridiculous that the Downloads page shows just two apps, not the normal lists of latest/hottest apps? |
| 13:52.28 | X-Fade | My guess is that SSO and account merge is months away still. |
| 13:53.22 | RST38h | Same for the main page although it looks more and more like the lost cause |
| 13:54.09 | qgil | RST38h: I really have nothing to do with this :) |
| 13:54.23 | RST38h | Eh... |
| 13:54.36 | X-Fade | RST38h: user.css -> #application-blocks1{display:none} |
| 13:54.58 | qgil | X-Fade: mmmm... now you got me there |
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| 13:55.22 | qgil | X-Fade: so the question would be whether we want to have brainstorm sooner and with own comments, or later with comments integrated? |
| 13:55.42 | qgil | X-Fade: mmmm... perhaps the second option, if you ask me |
| 13:55.44 | X-Fade | qgil: If you launch it, there is no way back easily. |
| 13:55.58 | qgil | X-Fade: yeah, I know, that's why |
| 13:56.03 | X-Fade | qgil: Converting the existing comments is goin to be hell ;) |
| 13:56.09 | qgil | sure |
| 13:56.34 | qgil | then we need to look better to that SSO schedula and that brainstorm schedule |
| 13:56.55 | qgil | I really believe it makes a whole difference for a brainstorm to happen in tmo or not |
| 13:56.57 | X-Fade | And we need to do a lot of work to implement the new comment thread creation signaling in downloads, news and brainstorm too. |
| 13:57.18 | qgil | downloads and news can wait or perhaops not do it ever, since they currently exist |
| 13:57.24 | qgil | but brainstorm is different |
| 13:57.40 | X-Fade | Yes, brainstorm can be a test case, but -> SSO |
| 13:58.04 | qgil | anyway, I don't want to be the showstopper either, but at least this is honestly what I think |
| 13:58.18 | X-Fade | Well once we actually have SSO and account merge, we could bring over comments. |
| 13:58.20 | lardman | hi Quim |
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| 13:58.32 | X-Fade | But it needs some thought. |
| 13:59.24 | qgil | X-Fade: anyway we haven't discussed whether we want to move the current enhancement requests from bugzilla |
| 13:59.35 | qgil | if so, that would take time before posting a first comment |
| 13:59.45 | X-Fade | qgil: We haven't even discussed if we want to have comments in talk ;) |
| 13:59.46 | qgil | but I'm not sure that is a good idea..... |
| 13:59.50 | X-Fade | But ;) |
| 14:00.03 | qgil | anyway, too m uch thinking today |
| 14:00.18 | qgil | let's talk (or comment) in Copenhagen |
| 14:00.33 | X-Fade | Yeah, let's sketch out some plan. |
| 14:01.00 | X-Fade | tekojo: are you coming too? |
| 14:01.09 | X-Fade | Hmm he is gone.. ;) |
| 14:01.14 | qgil | I'll try to pull an estimate for SSO from Daniel/Tero (and then we add 2 months more) |
| 14:01.28 | qgil | I don't think he is coming |
| 14:01.59 | qgil | bye! |
| 14:02.05 | qgil | (hi lardman ) :) |
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| 14:04.48 | lardman | tries to do some day job work rather than translating as, |
| 14:04.51 | lardman | asm even |
| 14:06.46 | lardman | ah cool, summit dates :) |
| 14:06.58 | lardman | amazing what you miss over lunch |
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| 14:09.11 | fiferboy | lbt: Do the i386 Qt files in the mer repository work? |
| 14:09.24 | man_in_pda | why does removing a 3.5 meg package in app manager only free about 1 meg? :( |
| 14:09.53 | X-Fade | man_in_pda: Because some libs are also used by another package? |
| 14:10.41 | man_in_pda | trying to work out how i can clean up my / |
| 14:11.04 | man_in_pda | i wouldn't mind putting apps on the internal sd card |
| 14:11.09 | lardman | jffsw is also compressed |
| 14:11.24 | lardman | s/jffsw/jffs2 |
| 14:12.03 | man_in_pda | not got much space left on / here :( |
| 14:12.39 | lardman | I meant that the amount of spaced used by a package proboably won't be what it reports |
| 14:12.57 | lardman | gives up typing for the day, fingers not working very well |
| 14:13.47 | lbt | fiferboy: should do |
| 14:13.51 | X-Fade | while a package might have 3MB of files on an uncompressed fs, it can only use 1MB of actual disk space. |
| 14:14.10 | man_in_pda | ok |
| 14:14.39 | RST38h | man_in_pda: You asked two questions: 1) why freeing 3.5MB does not immediately free 3.5MB in / and 2) how to free / |
| 14:14.44 | aquatix | oh, / is compressed? |
| 14:14.48 | aquatix | didn't know that |
| 14:14.49 | RST38h | man_in_pda: Which answer do you want first? |
| 14:15.36 | lbt | fiferboy: please let me know if they don't (nb they're for Ubuntu) |
| 14:15.42 | man_in_pda | 2nd |
| 14:16.11 | man_in_pda | i'm satisfied with answers so far to #1 |
| 14:16.31 | RST38h | man_in_pda: Remove user manuals shipped by Nokia, remove sample images, music, and video, remove unused locales |
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| 14:16.57 | RST38h | man_in_pda: Reboot the tablet, it will make jffs free space it has "put away" |
| 14:17.01 | fiferboy | I installed them in Fremantle i386, but my build failed against them (libQtGui.so error) |
| 14:17.22 | RST38h | man_in_pda: This way you will get the real number of how much space you have left in / |
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| 14:17.25 | man_in_pda | ooh ok |
| 14:17.38 | man_in_pda | cya lata then |
| 14:18.59 | lardman | I've always wondered if there's another way to trigger jffs2 to do that, any ideas? |
| 14:20.41 | X-Fade | lardman: Doesn't the fs need to be in RO mode for that? |
| 14:20.49 | lardman | dunno |
| 14:20.58 | RST38h | probably not |
| 14:21.04 | RST38h | Give me a moment to search |
| 14:21.07 | lardman | I can't see why though, as the jffs2 stuff sits below everything else |
| 14:21.12 | fiferboy | lbt: Do you know what version of libfontconfig you built the Qt libs against? |
| 14:21.20 | fiferboy | I'm guessing 2.4.2 |
| 14:21.21 | lardman | nah, actually I think if the fs runs out of space a reshuffle is forced |
| 14:21.34 | lardman | so that would be mounted RW at that point |
| 14:21.50 | RST38h | lardman: correct |
| 14:22.17 | lbt | fiferboy: build log says : installing fontconfig-config-2.6.0-1ubuntu12.all |
| 14:22.59 | lbt | libfontconfig1-2.6.0-1ubuntu12.armel |
| 14:23.34 | fiferboy | Okay, Fremantle only has version 2.4.1 |
| 14:23.56 | lbt | heh, Mer is Ubuntu9.04 |
| 14:24.27 | lbt | I don't think we can setup a Fremantle builder on OBS |
| 14:25.45 | fiferboy | I'll just have to build against the old version and run with the new version in scratchbox |
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| 14:26.28 | fiferboy | Maybe incompatible library versions are the reason I get CPU spikes on the device in Diablo |
| 14:27.09 | RST38h | lardman: garbage collection daemon is jffs2_gcd_mtd2 |
| 14:27.25 | RST38h | lardman: has no manpage so there is no way to say what the options are |
| 14:27.43 | Bobbe | (asked this in #nitdroid, but I don't think anybody is there). Is there any way I can install nitdroid and keep being able to boot my maemo / cloned maemo? Or does it wipe my whole bootmenu to the point of no repair? |
| 14:28.06 | lardman | RST38h: yeah, is it a kernel thing? |
| 14:28.17 | RST38h | nope |
| 14:28.52 | RST38h | lardman: white paper and sources: http://sources.redhat.com/jffs2/ |
| 14:29.00 | lardman | ah, push back the hacked pvr.ko by a day, going to the cinema tonight |
| 14:29.21 | lardman | at least Quim saw fit to give me another month to get it finished by putting the summit in Oct :) |
| 14:29.49 | RST38h | lardman: WAIT |
| 14:29.57 | RST38h | lardman: Is it OMAP2 version? =) |
| 14:30.04 | lardman | what's that? |
| 14:30.07 | lardman | pvr? |
| 14:30.08 | lardman | yes |
| 14:30.14 | RST38h | hugs lardman |
| 14:30.26 | X-Fade | RST38h: Has been there for a very long time. |
| 14:30.28 | lardman | not yet, lots of asm-translating still to go |
| 14:30.29 | RST38h | How did you get the hold of documentation? |
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| 14:30.34 | X-Fade | RST38h: But didn't work. |
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| 14:30.48 | lardman | RST38h: I didn't, just DWARF data + ASM |
| 14:30.51 | RST38h | X-Fade: I remember the initial thing which was mostly a stub |
| 14:31.40 | RST38h | lardman: So, what does it do then? |
| 14:31.53 | lardman | nothing, it's just notes atm |
| 14:31.56 | man_in_pda | yay |
| 14:32.09 | lardman | I've converted something like 6 fns |
| 14:32.13 | man_in_pda | now has 15MB on / :P |
| 14:32.37 | lardman | have to finish the other 273, then sort out arguments, plumb in any globals shown in the DRAWF data, see if it will compile, etc |
| 14:32.45 | RST38h | oh |
| 14:32.53 | lardman | I really can't type today |
| 14:33.04 | lardman | 10 weeks I reckon |
| 14:33.12 | RST38h | should have almost the whole OGL API... |
| 14:33.34 | lardman | no, this is just the kernel driver, then the ARM-side support lib and the OGL lib also need to be done |
| 14:33.50 | RST38h | except for the most ludicrous thigns, not included into OGL ES |
| 14:34.06 | RST38h | oh^2 |
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| 14:36.13 | lardman | why the negativity, keep your chin up etc :) |
| 14:37.34 | lardman | ~lart FDE code |
| 14:37.34 | infobot | stamps FDE code on the forehead with the official Troll marker |
| 14:38.46 | RST38h | lardman: just imagining the sheer number of things you will have to do =) |
| 14:39.02 | man_in_pda | hmm |
| 14:39.50 | man_in_pda | should i kill/murder maemo-supplied "map" program? :P |
| 14:40.01 | fiferboy | lbt: Are your changes all in the libqtgui4 package? |
| 14:40.13 | lardman | what would life be without a challenge to get stuck into...? :) |
| 14:40.32 | lbt | yes |
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| 14:40.52 | irgsomething | are there any dsp developers? |
| 14:40.56 | fiferboy | I wonder if there is a way just to build that package to speed things up |
| 14:41.05 | irgsomething | im searching for some kind of RTA |
| 14:41.05 | lardman | irgsomething: yes |
| 14:41.21 | lardman | RTA? |
| 14:41.24 | lbt | yes |
| 14:41.38 | lbt | I build the packages fully; then I go into the chroot |
| 14:41.41 | irgsomething | real time analysis?? |
| 14:41.46 | lbt | to src/gui |
| 14:41.49 | lbt | and do a make |
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| 14:41.56 | irgsomething | some kind of spectrum analyzer |
| 14:42.01 | lbt | that produces ../../lib/libQtGui.so.4.5.0 |
| 14:42.14 | lbt | which I scp over to /usr/lib on the tablet |
| 14:42.16 | lardman | irgsomething: ah I see, so you're wondering about an app rather than some feature |
| 14:42.17 | lardman | ? |
| 14:42.30 | irgsomething | so it is |
| 14:42.38 | fiferboy | lbt: Excellent |
| 14:42.48 | lardman | irgsomething: in which case the answer is no, but I can't see any problems with implementing a short-time FFT on the device |
| 14:42.49 | lbt | when I'm happy I diff the code (actually I setup a git tree in the chroot) |
| 14:42.58 | lbt | and apply patches to the main repo |
| 14:43.11 | fiferboy | I see you fixed the scrollbar issue |
| 14:43.12 | lbt | then rebuild it all |
| 14:43.14 | lardman | irgsomething: write a wrapper and I'll look at implementing the DSP code for you |
| 14:43.19 | lbt | yes :) |
| 14:43.22 | Stskeeps | heh |
| 14:43.27 | lardman | where wrapper is the ARM-side app to pass data in and out |
| 14:43.29 | lbt | but Antonio's other points are... interesting |
| 14:43.36 | irgsomething | ok, i will see what can be done |
| 14:43.38 | Stskeeps | professor at my uni made an announcement on the Maemo/Mozilla developer weekend :> |
| 14:43.49 | lbt | heh |
| 14:43.53 | lbt | you said... ? |
| 14:43.53 | fiferboy | I think his maximum velocity must mean when flicked, not when following the finger |
| 14:43.58 | Stskeeps | i wonder if any of the people i know from my work will show up and be astonished what i actually do .. :> |
| 14:44.03 | irgsomething | thanks |
| 14:44.07 | lbt | I hope so... that's what I intend |
| 14:44.11 | lardman | irgsomething: if you know how you want to write the code I can just sort out the link code for you, if you provide the analysis fn too, up to you |
| 14:44.18 | fiferboy | That should be pretty easy |
| 14:44.33 | lbt | yep... it is |
| 14:44.46 | lbt | just need to make sure it's independent of refresh rate |
| 14:44.56 | fiferboy | The overshoot would probably be the hardest, I think. |
| 14:44.59 | lbt | also might up the refresh rate for GL |
| 14:45.05 | lbt | yeah - that's scary |
| 14:45.13 | fiferboy | I don't know about the scroll-by-item |
| 14:45.13 | irgsomething | i will get deeper in that arm wrapper thing and will text you, if im ready |
| 14:45.21 | lardman | irgsomething: n-point fft is a built-in macro so no need to do that bit, just the time shifting business (which I'll have to look up myself) |
| 14:45.23 | lbt | TBH I think that is a bad decision |
| 14:45.38 | lbt | the API allows the developer to select scr-by-item |
| 14:45.45 | lbt | so we should not override them |
| 14:45.52 | lbt | and |
| 14:46.01 | lardman | irgsomething: I meant just a basic C fn to read a file and to display the output data, comms with the dsp is by writing and reading from a dev entry |
| 14:46.09 | lbt | it breaks the ability to set min/max on scrollbars (I think) |
| 14:46.17 | lardman | or by a shared memory mapped "file" |
| 14:46.30 | lbt | so scroll->min(0) scroll->max(10)... |
| 14:46.58 | irgsomething | ? |
| 14:46.59 | lbt | I'd have to grub around in the internals and completely break the (correct) loose coupling] |
| 14:46.59 | fiferboy | Maybe you could just really slow down scrolling when s-b-i is enabled. Right now it just shoots by in a single frame |
| 14:47.15 | lbt | actually I need to see an example |
| 14:47.28 | lbt | I may misunderstand the issue |
| 14:47.38 | fiferboy | All the list demos use scroll by item |
| 14:47.47 | lardman | irgsomething: what's the application anyway? |
| 14:47.50 | lbt | qtdemo ? |
| 14:47.55 | fiferboy | Yes |
| 14:48.01 | lbt | they all work nicely for me |
| 14:48.14 | lbt | they 'step' of course |
| 14:48.17 | fiferboy | When I used flickcharm with scroll-by-item it would scroll to the bottom just about instantly |
| 14:48.18 | lbt | hmm |
| 14:48.23 | lbt | yes |
| 14:48.26 | lbt | it's broken |
| 14:48.37 | lbt | mine doesn't do that (I hope!) |
| 14:48.53 | fiferboy | I'll re-enable it on birdlist and try it on the tablet. |
| 14:49.05 | fiferboy | It is REALLY noticable then (due to the large rows) |
| 14:49.05 | lbt | send me the binaries BTW |
| 14:49.14 | lbt | I've been to busy to build it |
| 14:49.18 | fiferboy | Will do. |
| 14:49.19 | lbt | :( |
| 14:49.26 | irgsomething | lardman: please descripe me what this sentence means? |
| 14:50.01 | irgsomething | i got no clue |
| 14:50.09 | fiferboy | lbt: Do you just need armel, or do you want both? |
| 14:50.10 | lardman | irgsomething: I meant how will you want to use the app? |
| 14:50.19 | lbt | armel... 386 was OK |
| 14:50.22 | irgsomething | ah |
| 14:50.27 | lardman | analysis of ambient sound, currently playing music, some arbitrary file containing data, etc |
| 14:50.31 | irgsomething | just gui |
| 14:50.51 | irgsomething | for ambient sound |
| 14:51.30 | fiferboy | lbt: Sent. |
| 14:51.34 | lbt | ta |
| 14:51.37 | irgsomething | with 1/3 octave view, if possible |
| 14:51.39 | lardman | on the current devices it's not possible to access the mic directly, so you'll have to loop the pcm data through the ARM and back to the DSP, not very efficient |
| 14:51.50 | irgsomething | ok |
| 14:51.51 | lardman | but doable |
| 14:51.53 | irgsomething | got it |
| 14:51.55 | lardman | can you program> |
| 14:51.56 | lardman | ? |
| 14:52.12 | irgsomething | just a little bits |
| 14:52.21 | lardman | prepare to learn |
| 14:52.25 | lardman | :) |
| 14:52.37 | irgsomething | got c learn from univrsity |
| 14:52.48 | irgsomething | i got time |
| 14:52.49 | lardman | how do you wish to visualise the fft stuff? |
| 14:53.01 | irgsomething | just some graph |
| 14:53.06 | irgsomething | or bars |
| 14:53.17 | lardman | right |
| 14:53.23 | irgsomething | the simplest method |
| 14:54.05 | lardman | ok, you on here usually? |
| 14:54.05 | irgsomething | im interested in the level-difference between one freq. and another |
| 14:54.25 | irgsomething | yes, im |
| 14:54.51 | lardman | good good, well I'll have a look at it on Friday evening/Sat morning |
| 14:55.06 | irgsomething | ok, thank you first |
| 14:55.10 | lardman | makes note to work out how to do a STFFT |
| 14:55.13 | lardman | np |
| 14:55.41 | irgsomething | is there a possibility to record a wav? file and fft that?? |
| 14:55.57 | fiferboy | lbt: hildon-pannable-area draws an extra rectangle when required for overshoot in the expose event |
| 14:55.58 | lardman | yeah that's probably the easiest way to start actually |
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| 14:56.36 | lbt | fiferboy: got distracted by numptyphysics port |
| 14:56.42 | lbt | back now... |
| 14:56.43 | irgsomething | that would be fine |
| 14:56.56 | fiferboy | numptyphysics distracted me a lot a while ago |
| 14:57.02 | irgsomething | so, where should i start? |
| 14:57.22 | lardman | basic C program to read in a wav file |
| 14:57.34 | lardman | and some code to display a gui and display data |
| 14:58.05 | irgsomething | ok |
| 14:58.13 | lardman | the DSP will accept chunks of data of whatever length you/we decide and perform an fft on them, then pass back the complex coefficients |
| 14:58.24 | irgsomething | will start to learn guipro. |
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| 14:58.49 | lardman | so you can stick in some pseudo code to open() then in a loop write() and then read() from a dev entry |
| 14:59.14 | irgsomething | ok, so long |
| 14:59.22 | lardman | otoh, it might be better to process a buffer of data, as the ffts need to overlap iirc, that would be easier on the dstgateway I think |
| 14:59.31 | lardman | anyway we'll cross that bridge when we get to it :) |
| 14:59.54 | lardman | wonders what guipro is |
| 15:00.10 | irgsomething | gui programming |
| 15:00.22 | fiferboy | lbt: The rectangle would shrink over time as the overshoot event goes on |
| 15:00.54 | lardman | ah ok, I thought it was some tool |
| 15:01.25 | lardman | irgsomething: python might work, assuming you can open dev entries with it |
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| 15:01.43 | fiferboy | lbt: QAbstractScrollArea has a protected function "setViewPortMargins" |
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| 15:01.52 | fiferboy | Can you access protected functions from your code? |
| 15:02.20 | lbt | yes |
| 15:02.35 | irgsomething | will learn python, too |
| 15:02.45 | lopz | hola |
| 15:02.58 | fiferboy | You sould be able to add a margin to the (top|bottom|right|left) that decreases over time. |
| 15:03.35 | fiferboy | I _think_ that would work, but it would need to be tried out |
| 15:04.21 | lbt | let me look |
| 15:04.38 | fiferboy | ok |
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| 15:05.58 | irgsomething | lardman: first i will get recording to work, than call ?mathjinni? to plot some function |
| 15:06.04 | fiferboy | lbt: You code absolutely does work for scroll-by-item! |
| 15:06.07 | fiferboy | Very nice! |
| 15:06.33 | irgsomething | then i will text you to fft the data |
| 15:06.50 | lbt | I think Antonio doesn't like that it 'skips' |
| 15:07.04 | fiferboy | Really? That seems like a very small issue |
| 15:07.09 | lbt | I think he'd like each 'skip' to be animated |
| 15:07.25 | lbt | which would be cool on dual-core openGL system.... |
| 15:07.37 | Stskeeps | dual gore gl for n900! :P |
| 15:07.45 | lbt | and insane on an N800 ;) |
| 15:08.07 | lbt | Stskeeps: drop it from 10m and it'll have a dual core... |
| 15:08.15 | Stskeeps | i still want that vmware for n8x0.. |
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| 15:08.36 | fiferboy | Doesn't the scrollbar skip in the same way with s-b-i? |
| 15:08.50 | lbt | dunno... you tell me :) |
| 15:08.56 | lbt | (hope so!) |
| 15:09.12 | fiferboy | It looks the same to me. |
| 15:09.19 | lbt | good |
| 15:09.36 | lbt | how do we say WONTFIX then ;O |
| 15:09.46 | fiferboy | Maybe Antonio's issue is that it is hard to see that it is coasting to a stop |
| 15:09.58 | lbt | yeah, that can look wierd |
| 15:10.11 | lbt | all ok and then suddenly a jump |
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| 15:10.21 | lbt | as it passes the threshold |
| 15:10.27 | crashanddie_ | dneary: I do speak dutch and can try to place a few calls during business hours as long as my involvement is not too excessive (I do have a job, and would like to keep it that way) |
| 15:11.27 | fiferboy | I thought the problem was much more severe, like FlickCharm. This is WAY better, if not as smooth as scroll-by-pixel |
| 15:11.48 | lbt | hmm |
| 15:11.54 | dneary | Thanks for the offer Crash |
| 15:11.55 | lbt | animation and bounce |
| 15:11.59 | lbt | hmm |
| 15:12.19 | dneary | I'm going to list you as a Dutch speaker volunteer on the wiki |
| 15:12.40 | Macer | lol |
| 15:12.49 | dneary | In fact, Dutch speakers aren't really that necessary - in my experience, everyone in Dutchland speaks Englandish |
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| 15:13.04 | Macer | englandish? |
| 15:13.06 | Macer | =) |
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| 15:13.39 | Macer | do they teach it in school? |
| 15:14.07 | Stskeeps | better than singlish |
| 15:14.11 | lardman | irgsomething: sounds reasonable |
| 15:14.27 | lardman | irgsomething: what frequency range do you want to display? |
| 15:14.51 | Macer | dutchland? =) |
| 15:15.00 | irgsomething | 20Hz -20kHz if possible |
| 15:15.01 | Macer | heh |
| 15:15.23 | irgsomething | i will testthe mikrophone |
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| 15:18.51 | crashanddie_ | dneary: yeah I know, but sometimes it's just easier to handle as people get confused |
| 15:19.32 | irgsomething | will test that damn microphone later, now he has to go to work |
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| 15:20.15 | irgsomething | lardman: so long |
| 15:23.30 | fiferboy | lbt: I see what you are saying about the scrollbars in s-b-i now. |
| 15:24.34 | lbt | oof, twin bladed helicopter just flew over the house |
| 15:24.40 | lbt | it shook!! |
| 15:25.11 | lbt | fiferboy: in a good way ? |
| 15:25.30 | lardman | irgsomething: cu later |
| 15:25.32 | fiferboy | Well, in the way you were describing. |
| 15:25.52 | fiferboy | I can't really think of a solution that would work well. |
| 15:26.35 | Bobbe | did anybody here get gears working on a n800? |
| 15:26.36 | fiferboy | If you could get the size of the view area (which I am not even sure is available due to rows being offscreen) |
| 15:27.00 | fiferboy | And the number of items in the list and come up with an average item size you might be able to do something |
| 15:27.14 | fiferboy | But it would still look wierd if the rows aren't uniform height. |
| 15:28.47 | lbt | it would need a lot of re-writing |
| 15:29.00 | lbt | IMHO |
| 15:31.31 | fiferboy | I think you are right. How does your code correctly handle s-b-i right now? FlickCharm moved the scrollbar one item for ever pixel of scroll. |
| 15:32.36 | lbt | floating point |
| 15:33.11 | lbt | calculates and stores position wrt range |
| 15:33.48 | fiferboy | Ah, I think that is how hildon-pannable-area does it as well. |
| 15:34.04 | fiferboy | Nice thinking, better than the one pixel, one increment on the scrollbar |
| 15:34.08 | lbt | scrollFactor.ry() = (qreal) vsb->pageStep() / qabstractscrollarea->viewport()->height(); |
| 15:34.37 | fiferboy | viewport()->height() returns the total height in pixels for the scroll area? |
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| 15:34.52 | lbt | yes, viewport isa widget |
| 15:35.11 | lardman | I wonder if irgsomething will be disappointed to find out that the DSP bridge probably can't maintain ~44kHz data transfer |
| 15:35.32 | fiferboy | Gotcha |
| 15:36.12 | lardman | hmm, scratch my comment, it works for the SBC encoder |
| 15:36.34 | lbt | now I have to fix nested scrollareas... |
| 15:36.39 | lbt | that's ugh |
| 15:37.44 | lbt | I need to check each child object to determine if it's a scrollarea |
| 15:37.53 | fiferboy | Is it possible tojust scroll the innermost in every situation? |
| 15:38.18 | lbt | it's to do with how I filter events from all children |
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| 15:38.46 | lbt | so the outermost sa filters events for everything in it |
| 15:39.08 | lbt | it needs to ignore anything inside that is scrollable |
| 15:39.15 | lbt | however there is no way to ask things |
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| 15:39.20 | lbt | "are you scrollable" |
| 15:39.31 | lbt | hmm maybe I have to implement that? |
| 15:39.57 | lbt | yeah, actually |
| 15:40.07 | lbt | if I ask "are you an abstactscrollarea" |
| 15:40.23 | lbt | then it'll say yes even if it's been reimplemented |
| 15:40.30 | lbt | as, eg, a scrollarea ? |
| 15:40.45 | lbt | then do some set intersection stuff |
| 15:42.26 | fiferboy | Your code installs a filter for every QAbstractScrollArea, right? |
| 15:42.48 | lbt | no |
| 15:43.03 | lbt | it installs a filter for every widget inside an QASA |
| 15:43.23 | lbt | http://pastebin.com/d748d4926 |
| 15:43.48 | lbt | I'm hacking that... there is no obj->isAbstractScrollArea() method yet ;) |
| 15:44.11 | lbt | and I doubt list arithmetic is that coolly easy either ;) |
| 15:44.34 | fiferboy | I was going to ask if -= would subtract a list subset. |
| 15:44.39 | fiferboy | That would be nice. |
| 15:44.40 | lbt | I wish... |
| 15:44.50 | lbt | it might.... Qt/STL is pretty neat |
| 15:45.34 | fiferboy | There is a +=, but it doesn't look like a -= (unless it inherits it from something) |
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| 15:45.48 | lbt | no :( |
| 15:45.55 | lbt | feature request ! |
| 15:46.44 | fiferboy | I wouldn't have been too surprised if it was there. |
| 15:49.10 | thopiekar | Stskeeps: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Installation#Installation_in_VirtualBox :) |
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| 15:50.39 | fiferboy | for isAbstractScrollArea you could do something like: |
| 15:50.40 | fiferboy | QAbstractScrollArea *scrollArea = dynamic_cast<QAbstractScrollArea*>(widget); |
| 15:50.41 | fiferboy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:54.40 | andrewfblack | RST38h: just letting you know Minimalist 2.0 is almost ready |
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| 16:01.24 | lbt | fiferboy: obj->inherits("QAbstractScrollArea") |
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| 16:04.22 | fiferboy | Even better! |
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| 16:04.41 | lbt | http://pastebin.com/d7770d112 |
| 16:04.46 | fiferboy | Although: "Consider using qobject_cast<Type *>(object) instead. The method is both faster and safer." |
| 16:05.15 | lbt | ooh.. must read more |
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| 16:05.58 | fiferboy | Looks good. |
| 16:06.55 | fiferboy | I'm no longer sure about setViewportMargins, as it says that is the margin AROUND the scrolling area |
| 16:06.59 | lbt | hmm, remove is probably better |
| 16:07.07 | lbt | as it will short-circuit |
| 16:07.29 | lbt | agree about the margins... thought I'd do this first... |
| 16:07.58 | fiferboy | you mean removeOne is better? |
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| 16:10.11 | lbt | yes |
| 16:10.36 | Stskeeps | lo yerga :) |
| 16:10.41 | lbt | make |
| 16:10.56 | yerga | Hey Stskeeps |
| 16:11.07 | Stskeeps | how is it going? |
| 16:11.13 | fiferboy | Would you mind sending me the binary file so I could test it on all my nested scroll areas? |
| 16:11.57 | yerga | Stskeeps, fine, thanks |
| 16:12.05 | yerga | a bit busy preparing the finals |
| 16:12.11 | Stskeeps | ah, i know the feeling |
| 16:12.23 | Stskeeps | i have a thesis meeting tomorrow and a horrible linear algebra exam in a month |
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| 16:15.26 | Stskeeps | 'lo Myrtti |
| 16:18.52 | Myrtti | lo |
| 16:19.25 | Stskeeps | how is it going? |
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| 16:21.50 | fiferboy | lbt: bbiab |
| 16:21.56 | lbt | l8r |
| 16:22.05 | lbt | (it build BTW) |
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| 16:44.16 | slonopotamus | please, raise a hand everyone who has something different than 0x30 in /sys/devices/platform/wlan-omap/default_country |
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| 16:53.33 | lardman | apologises that both hands are stuck to kb, and N810 is being used in the other room |
| 16:55.32 | slonopotamus | if yes, please run strace -s256 -o wlan-cal_strace chroot /mnt/initfs/ /usr/bin/wlan-cal and gimme contents of wlan-cal_strace |
| 16:56.00 | slonopotamus | 'apt-get install strace' to install strace |
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| 17:21.11 | lardman | ctrl-tab as a guess |
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| 17:31.10 | elninja | I want to run OS2008 from external SD, and I'm partitioning the card. Do I need a VFAT partition, and will it use a swap partition? |
| 17:31.32 | AFBN810 | no tab key on my tablet |
| 17:32.54 | elninja | Try CTRL+I |
| 17:33.20 | elninja | Works in some apps |
| 17:33.44 | AFBN810 | nope |
| 17:35.28 | fiferboy | lbt: Could you send me the so file? |
| 17:35.56 | lbt | I was going to try via irc.. it's 10Mb |
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| 17:36.38 | kfx | AFBN810: have you tried edit->sheet->manage sheets |
| 17:36.45 | kfx | then clicking on the one you want to switch to |
| 17:36.51 | kfx | then closing the dialog box |
| 17:37.43 | AFBN810 | that works thanks wise there was an eaiser way but that will work |
| 17:39.42 | kfx | it's weird they don't show up just above the status bar |
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| 17:49.15 | andrewfblack | kfx: you would think there would be tabs for switching but ohwell |
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| 18:27.10 | GAN800 | mascots. . . . |
| 18:27.47 | RST38h | Let us just use GeneralAntilles as a mascot and be done with it |
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| 18:35.24 | lbt | back now |
| 18:35.29 | lbt | fiferboy: hi |
| 18:35.57 | fiferboy | lbt: hi |
| 18:37.07 | fiferboy | Did you test the nested scrolling? |
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| 18:40.02 | lbt | just trying it |
| 18:40.54 | lbt | where did I have to copy data? |
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| 18:43.18 | fiferboy | If you installed the deb it should be in the right place, if not copy "src/data/tables" to "~/.birdlist/" |
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| 18:47.05 | lbt | could not open database birdlist |
| 18:47.37 | lbt | I did make instead of buildpkg... building deb now... |
| 18:47.50 | GAN800 | Ah, finally, Jaaksi blogs again |
| 18:48.07 | RST38h | anything meaningful? |
| 18:48.10 | Stskeeps | "i ate the rx-51 and you can't have it" |
| 18:48.16 | fiferboy | lbt: Are you running it on the tablet? |
| 18:48.20 | lbt | yes |
| 18:49.02 | GAN800 | RST38h, tell you in a sec |
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| 18:49.39 | lbt | Stskeeps: you wanted a gtk hacker.... grab murrayc... he'll help Mer ;) |
| 18:49.41 | GAN800 | RST38h, lol, no. It's, like, four lines. |
| 18:50.06 | Stskeeps | lbt: at a fashionable price, probably ;) |
| 18:51.22 | fiferboy | lbt: Nested scrolling isn't working for me. |
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| 18:51.32 | RST38h | GAN: Eh... |
| 18:51.34 | lbt | damn |
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| 18:52.01 | GAN800 | RST38h, he just mentioned Qt and oFono |
| 18:52.10 | fiferboy | I may have screwed up the copy, but it is acting the same as before. |
| 18:52.11 | lbt | still it was a first cut...and I can imagine some issues |
| 18:52.25 | RST38h | Maemo + Moblin stuff is more intriguing though |
| 18:52.33 | lbt | BTW that .so prints debug info |
| 18:52.36 | fiferboy | Actually, I think I got the copy right because it is dumping debug info |
| 18:52.42 | RST38h | Given that Moblin2 is RedHat based and thus not quite compatible with Maemo |
| 18:53.01 | Stskeeps | hmm? url? |
| 18:53.04 | GAN800 | RST38h, Hildon, etc. |
| 18:53.19 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, planet.maemo.org |
| 18:53.24 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 18:53.33 | fiferboy | lbt: Scroll bar dragging is working now |
| 18:53.42 | RST38h | GAN: Yes, except that these Moblin guys have been recently trying to get away from Hildon |
| 18:53.54 | RST38h | voice enabled moblin and maemo...oh yess |
| 18:54.02 | lbt | good |
| 18:54.18 | lcuk | "computer" |
| 18:54.57 | lbt | the registerchildren code won't work |
| 18:55.41 | RST38h | RedHat <=== oFono changelog |
| 18:55.47 | RST38h | shit, wait |
| 18:55.59 | fiferboy | lbt: The part where you remove the scroll area derived children? |
| 18:56.02 | RST38h | http://git.kernel.org/?p=network/ofono/ofono.git;a=summary <== oFono changelog |
| 18:56.03 | lbt | yes |
| 18:56.08 | lbt | it's ok first pass |
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| 18:56.47 | fiferboy | What if instead of removing the scroll area derived children you loop through all the children and just add the non-scroll-area-derived? |
| 18:56.59 | lbt | but if you add a widget to a descedant SA then the childAdded event calls it again |
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| 18:57.33 | lbt | it tracks newly added children anywhere in the heirarchy |
| 18:58.36 | RST38h | Looks like they are busy implementing voice call finite state machine |
| 18:58.53 | RST38h | The low level stuff is not there yet, just the skeletons for it |
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| 18:59.17 | lbt | Harald Welte on ofono ... http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2009/05/12#20090512-ophono_fso |
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| 19:01.24 | RST38h | poor little OpenMoko...Not only they are out of money but big guys are ignoring them too |
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| 19:02.20 | RST38h | lbt: Actually I have an answer to that pissed off guy question |
| 19:02.43 | lbt | ... |
| 19:02.46 | RST38h | lbt: oFono does not use FSO because FSO does not provide any code to make voice calls, according to their own Wiki |
| 19:02.54 | toggles_w | RST38h: it's over, as of yesterdaydidn't intel and nokia go opensource? |
| 19:02.59 | RST38h | lbt: exhibit #1: http://www.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Implementations |
| 19:03.01 | toggles_w | oh.. oops |
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| 19:03.59 | Stskeeps | RST38h: i would encourage FSO to work with ofono really - nothing will be better than being able to take big consulting fees cos you helped push the platform and develop it :P |
| 19:04.31 | RST38h | Sts: ïIf I were Intel or Maemo, I wouldn't care about FSO |
| 19:04.39 | RST38h | Sts: They are the Pandora of smartphones |
| 19:04.59 | Stskeeps | RST38h: ah but at least they have hw that's sold :P |
| 19:05.11 | RST38h | Sts: Yes, true, but how well did it work? |
| 19:05.20 | Stskeeps | RST38h: sw crap |
| 19:05.21 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:05.44 | Stskeeps | also, whoever designed the microsd slot needs to die |
| 19:05.48 | RST38h | Sts: If you believe their Wiki, they did not even have sw for voice calling |
| 19:06.03 | RST38h | Sts: Which is incidentally what oFono is |
| 19:06.05 | Stskeeps | RST38h: i'm not necessarily disagreeing with you on any of those points :P |
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| 19:06.55 | RST38h | Sts: So, Intel just paid a few of their engineers to read into AT cellular command set and implement the correct state machine for making voice calls |
| 19:06.58 | Stskeeps | with FSO i would really just encourage them to get in the project and use the synergy of community and big companies as early as possible |
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| 19:07.34 | Stskeeps | but that's my own personal opinion |
| 19:07.46 | RST38h | Sts: FSO is a bunch of guys still developing for a piece of outdated hardware which is no longer produced |
| 19:07.54 | Stskeeps | if i was to choose a voice stack for mer, i would probably go for ofono |
| 19:08.06 | Stskeeps | (without looking too closely at technical details) |
| 19:08.18 | RST38h | Sts: Do look at technical details though |
| 19:08.45 | Stskeeps | it's amazing how much rucus there can be over dbus apis.. |
| 19:09.05 | RST38h | Sts: So, really the smart thing would be to produce a reasonably open source friendly piece of voice call capable hw and then try to pull FSO guys over |
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| 19:09.35 | RST38h | Sts: But neither Nokia nor Inel are particularly eager to do his just now |
| 19:09.41 | RST38h | s/his/this |
| 19:10.08 | Stskeeps | i'm (thank god) not in that area just yet |
| 19:10.13 | Stskeeps | even though i just got a freerunner donated |
| 19:11.48 | toggles_w | i just ditched my freerunenr for the n810, if pan would work it would be perfect and way more of a phone... |
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| 19:13.00 | Stskeeps | RST38h: i wonder if the smartq people could be encouraged to drop in a gsm chip, hm :P |
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| 19:13.08 | RST38h | hehe |
| 19:13.29 | RST38h | ask them if they would be willing to add a baseband chip and give you the docs :) |
| 19:13.47 | Stskeeps | honestly, wouldn't i just be happy with AT commands and ability to grab voice from it? |
| 19:13.52 | RST38h | this can probably be done as a separate board too, the usual control interface is i2c |
| 19:14.10 | RST38h | Sts: that is how baseband chip operates |
| 19:14.31 | RST38h | Sts: there is also some analog circuitry, but control goes over a simple serial line |
| 19:15.21 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 19:16.04 | RST38h | Do ask them about this stuff though, you have high chances of success with this question |
| 19:16.20 | Stskeeps | i will once the dust has settled :P |
| 19:17.34 | RST38h | shit |
| 19:17.39 | RST38h | curses tracker |
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| 19:18.05 | RST38h | Can I uninstall this "helpful" program somehow? It is eating 100% of my other cpu |
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| 19:20.21 | suihkulokki | apt-get remove tracker |
| 19:22.54 | RST38h | thanks |
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| 19:24.45 | RST38h | It's dead, Jim! You take its tricorder and I will take its purse. |
| 19:27.17 | RST38h | When this is bundled with NITs, it will eclipse Modest! |
| 19:27.52 | Stskeeps | well, tracker on ubuntu is a older version afaik |
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| 19:29.09 | Stskeeps | also, are you DC connected? :P |
| 19:30.11 | RST38h | No, running on batteries, fan spinning crazy, second core running tracker at 100% |
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| 19:30.23 | RST38h | and I have just deleted 470MB of tracker indices |
| 19:31.19 | RST38h | BTW, all tracker indexing has been disabled via the applet a few days ago and still shows as disable in the cfg file |
| 19:31.45 | RST38h | The only thing that killed it was apt-get remove as suihkulokki suggested |
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| 19:43.14 | lbt | fiferboy: made a .deb and get the same error |
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| 19:43.58 | fiferboy | The font config error? |
| 19:45.18 | lbt | could not open database birdlist |
| 19:45.25 | lbt | in a popup |
| 19:45.45 | lbt | do I still need ~/.birdlist? |
| 19:45.57 | lbt | Unable to connect to database, giving up: "Driver not loaded Driver not loaded" |
| 19:46.03 | fiferboy | It should create it on first run. |
| 19:46.06 | lbt | have I missed dependecies? |
| 19:46.10 | lbt | using dpkg -i |
| 19:46.14 | fiferboy | Do you have libqt4-sql-sqlite installed? |
| 19:48.06 | lbt | no |
| 19:48.22 | lbt | yes |
| 19:48.50 | lbt | ta |
| 19:49.51 | fiferboy | np |
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| 19:55.34 | Jaffa | Ev'ning, all |
| 19:55.40 | thopiekar | hi Jaffa |
| 19:55.43 | thopiekar | :) |
| 19:55.50 | Jaffa | Good to be home :) |
| 19:57.39 | fiferboy | lbt: Still loading the database? |
| 19:58.50 | crashanddie_ | Jaffa: :( |
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| 20:02.22 | lbt | all done |
| 20:02.26 | lbt | no pics though |
| 20:02.39 | lbt | I selected ~MyDocs/birds as the photo dir... |
| 20:03.08 | lcuk | likes the creative flow people are havin in the forum :) |
| 20:03.18 | lcuk | \o hey jaffa |
| 20:03.24 | fiferboy | You have to assign pics from photos in that directory |
| 20:03.26 | lcuk | seb '\o |
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| 20:03.34 | lbt | I have no pics |
| 20:03.45 | lbt | Aren't yours included? |
| 20:03.57 | fiferboy | No, no pics by default. |
| 20:04.20 | fiferboy | you can get some from http://birdingandrew.blogspot.com |
| 20:04.45 | Stskeeps | do i dare to ask which maemo app this one is? :P |
| 20:04.49 | lbt | when I ran it on x86 I had pics |
| 20:04.59 | lbt | birdlist :) |
| 20:05.02 | lbt | it's rather nice |
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| 20:05.15 | lbt | for twitchers only! |
| 20:05.39 | fiferboy | lbt: Are you or your wife twitchers? |
| 20:05.40 | Stskeeps | lbt: we should adapt it with pictures of maemo.org community members, for the cph meet.. |
| 20:05.43 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:06.03 | lbt | used to be |
| 20:06.07 | Myrtti | raises an eyebrow |
| 20:06.12 | lbt | Stskeeps: good idea |
| 20:06.17 | lbt | still RSPB |
| 20:06.35 | lbt | it'd work too |
| 20:06.42 | Stskeeps | ponders to bring his hat to look more recognizable. |
| 20:06.47 | lbt | eastern european section |
| 20:06.52 | lbt | south american |
| 20:06.53 | lbt | finnish |
| 20:07.03 | lcuk | Stskeeps, you will be recognisable anyway |
| 20:07.13 | lcuk | arent you wearing a costume with random mer devices all over |
| 20:07.17 | Stskeeps | true. |
| 20:07.32 | Stskeeps | and a beagleboard embedded in my skull |
| 20:07.32 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:07.32 | lcuk | will have a dodgy finger |
| 20:07.37 | lbt | fiferboy: so no piccies in the source? |
| 20:08.01 | lcuk | lbt, the latest liqbase includes a great list of all the maemo members :D |
| 20:08.52 | fiferboy | lbt: No. Too many species (10331) |
| 20:09.10 | lbt | and you wondered why it was slow at scrolling? |
| 20:09.19 | fiferboy | If you double click on a species it brings up the wikipedia article, though. Pics are usually there |
| 20:09.32 | fiferboy | Well, I usually only have it display 200-1100 |
| 20:09.33 | lbt | yeah, I had thumbnails b4 |
| 20:09.52 | lbt | and it is fine scrolling without them |
| 20:10.05 | lbt | so I wanted to see if the thumbnails slowed it down |
| 20:10.12 | Jaffa | wonders about reading tmo tonight. Nah - will hit "Mark forums read" tomorrow and ignore it :) |
| 20:10.35 | lbt | actually, it's really nice and responsive |
| 20:10.47 | fiferboy | put some pics in your directory and assign them to sightings |
| 20:10.47 | lbt | what's the webpage widget called? |
| 20:10.59 | lbt | meh... time... |
| 20:11.17 | fiferboy | I just designed at around a QWebView widget, it's got a UI file in the source |
| 20:11.33 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: the council uniforms thread is a blast. |
| 20:11.34 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:11.41 | lbt | it doesn't fingerscroll |
| 20:11.46 | lbt | so I was going to look |
| 20:12.12 | fiferboy | Yes, QWebView doesn't fingerscroll |
| 20:12.26 | lbt | yet |
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| 20:12.55 | fiferboy | :) |
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| 20:15.07 | fiferboy | I need to optimize the interface a little more for small screens, make it easier to find a specific location file, finish the help files, etc |
| 20:15.20 | fiferboy | Finger scrolling is a very nice touch |
| 20:15.30 | Stskeeps | fantastic chinese forums |
| 20:15.33 | Stskeeps | "Have good thermal crack" |
| 20:15.44 | Stskeeps | (and translate.google.com) |
| 20:16.10 | RST38h | urgh |
| 20:16.17 | crashanddie_ | I would recommend putting some termal paste on your crack |
| 20:16.20 | crashanddie_ | before you burn out |
| 20:16.46 | RST38h | Sts: I *think* they mean the space shuttle Atlantis =) |
| 20:16.53 | Stskeeps | lol :P |
| 20:17.18 | Proteous | Mmmm, thermal crack |
| 20:17.39 | crashanddie_ | ok, well that's it for me guys, heading home |
| 20:17.44 | fiferboy | lbt: Try opening the preferences and scrolling the left-hand list widget |
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| 20:18.26 | lbt | I'm running this under Mer |
| 20:18.33 | lbt | and it doesn't need to scroll |
| 20:18.41 | lbt | (not enough entries) |
| 20:19.17 | lbt | hmm |
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| 20:20.14 | lbt | massive event storm |
| 20:20.16 | lbt | 2 5 3 |
| 20:20.22 | fiferboy | No horizontal scroll? |
| 20:20.41 | lbt | no |
| 20:20.42 | fiferboy | Try increasing your font size at the main window (zoom button) and then open preferences |
| 20:22.17 | lbt | Mer gives you fullscreen popups |
| 20:22.26 | RST38h | is facing a problem |
| 20:22.43 | fiferboy | Ah, right. Like Fremantle, kind of. |
| 20:22.54 | fiferboy | If you make the font size big enough you should get scrolling :) |
| 20:22.56 | lbt | probably |
| 20:22.58 | lbt | yes |
| 20:23.00 | lbt | looks like it |
| 20:23.14 | lbt | outer scrolls |
| 20:23.19 | lbt | inner doesn't |
| 20:23.58 | lbt | silly UI |
| 20:24.21 | fiferboy | Do you get the CPU through the roof trying to scroll the list widget? |
| 20:24.32 | lbt | yes |
| 20:24.38 | lbt | you have some kind of event storm |
| 20:24.42 | lbt | 2 5 3 |
| 20:25.05 | lbt | QEvent::MouseButtonPress QEvent::MouseMove QEvent::MouseButtonRelease |
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| 20:26.19 | fiferboy | I don't think anything is different about that particular list widget |
| 20:26.38 | lbt | nah, got to be my code |
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| 20:29.10 | fiferboy | Actually, the list widget is inside a scroll area, that might be it. |
| 20:29.17 | lbt | yes |
| 20:29.29 | fiferboy | It is unecessary to have a scrolling widget in a scroll area. I can change that. |
| 20:29.33 | lbt | no |
| 20:29.39 | lbt | it should be fine |
| 20:29.47 | lbt | it's a good test too |
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| 20:30.36 | cars__ | I can't seem to get the stylus keyboard back. All that shows is the finger keyboard on my n810. |
| 20:30.36 | fiferboy | My code is usually unusual to be a good test. |
| 20:32.21 | lbt | heh |
| 20:32.23 | lbt | nb |
| 20:32.27 | andrewfblack | hello |
| 20:32.28 | lbt | findChildren |
| 20:32.34 | lbt | Returns the children of this object that can be cast to type T |
| 20:32.42 | lbt | hmmm :) |
| 20:33.09 | fiferboy | Too bad you can't find the children that CAN'T be cast to type T |
| 20:33.16 | fiferboy | Just a little more work, I guess |
| 20:33.20 | lbt | yes |
| 20:33.29 | Proteous | just let me near any child and I will make sure they need a cast |
| 20:33.32 | fiferboy | I've got to go now. |
| 20:33.33 | crashanddie_ | People |
| 20:33.35 | crashanddie_ | DANCE! |
| 20:33.37 | lbt | 'k ta |
| 20:33.37 | Proteous | oh wait, are we talking programing? |
| 20:33.39 | crashanddie_ | :D :D :D :D :D |
| 20:33.46 | lbt | crashanddie I can do that |
| 20:33.56 | lbt | Tango ? |
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| 20:34.03 | crashanddie_ | Whatever you want :) |
| 20:34.13 | lbt | Samba.... |
| 20:34.55 | cars__ | Is there a setting I have missed? I've scoured the control panel but can't find anything. |
| 20:35.20 | RST38h | casts Proteous to void * and assigns NULL to him |
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| 20:36.06 | crashanddie_ | that wouldn't work, really |
| 20:36.40 | crashanddie_ | rather, you should cast NULL to typeof(Proteous) and assign it to him |
| 20:37.12 | lbt | delete Proteous |
| 20:37.25 | lbt | c++ is so much better |
| 20:37.42 | lbt | once again memory management issues.... |
| 20:37.44 | lbt | <sigh> |
| 20:38.11 | crashanddie_ | lbt: don't fame C++ for having less memory management issues than C |
| 20:38.22 | lbt | ~lart C |
| 20:38.22 | infobot | throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at C |
| 20:38.52 | crashanddie_ | let us not forget than C and C++ became popular because they *allowed* manual memory management... Where all the languages before abstracted that from the developer |
| 20:39.26 | lbt | loves C really |
| 20:39.34 | lbt | emacs is written in C |
| 20:39.38 | lbt | say no more |
| 20:39.49 | lbt | if C is capable of such perfection.... |
| 20:40.08 | Proteous | don't let me start a programing lanuguage fight |
| 20:40.13 | crashanddie_ | slaming either C or C++ for memory management issues is like slamming a manual transmission for being too difficult compared to an automatic :) |
| 20:40.36 | Proteous | or cake for being better then pie (even though it is) |
| 20:41.06 | Proteous | on a side note, when you are eating pie it is easier to drive an auto |
| 20:41.39 | crashanddie_ | not if you're on the highway, you don't change gears there |
| 20:42.31 | crashanddie_ | find the error: "Our client is an exciting London based start-up founded a talented and successful entrepreneur, they currently have a requirement for a CTO / Lead Architect to lead the development of their next project, which is highly regarded a revolutionary service." |
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| 20:43.26 | crashanddie_ | so basically, you want to have me do the job of a CTO, Architect, Tech Lead, and Project Manager while paying me the minuscule salary of an undergrad? Right. |
| 20:43.56 | derf | Oh. I thought you were complaining that the author couldn't write a grammatical sentence to save their lives. |
| 20:44.04 | crashanddie_ | that too. |
| 20:44.30 | crashanddie_ | headhunters think in keywords, grammar is unnecessary to them |
| 20:46.03 | crashanddie_ | If headhunters ruled the world, a CV would be made of "Young. Experienced. Good looking." Pick one. |
| 20:46.24 | derf | You can be young and good looking. |
| 20:46.48 | crashanddie_ | Next! (Can't follow rules) |
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| 20:47.49 | RST38h | makes crashanddie Vice President on Web Technologies Strategic Development and asks him to do his web site for free |
| 20:48.03 | b-man | heh |
| 20:48.36 | crashanddie_ | RST38h: don't do websites anymore. |
| 20:49.55 | crashanddie_ | ok, gotta go, or I'll miss train, have a good one people |
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| 21:31.05 | Bobbe | can anybody tell me a package that should be in app manager if I have Extras enabled? I have the strange feeling that it is not there (tho the app manager tells me it is) |
| 21:31.40 | Bobbe | Abiword, for instance, should be there, right? |
| 21:31.49 | mgedmin | not necessarily |
| 21:31.58 | mgedmin | openssh, though, should be |
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| 21:33.11 | Bobbe | openssh is there, so my Extras is working, I guess |
| 21:33.19 | Bobbe | I've been told wrong then |
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| 21:34.01 | Bobbe | which repo should I add to install nano? |
| 21:34.21 | oli | ;x what have i done. |
| 21:34.44 | oli | i just wanted to display it, sorry! |
| 21:35.37 | oli | Bobbe: you don't use vi? |
| 21:37.10 | mgedmin | Bobbe: the tools repo apparently has it |
| 21:37.24 | mgedmin | deb http://repository.maemo.org diablo/tools free non-free |
| 21:37.32 | mgedmin | prefers vim |
| 21:38.05 | Bobbe | oli, I do, but I vastly prefer nano. Typing : all the time in the n800 keyboard is a pain |
| 21:38.22 | Bobbe | ctrl is a lot more accessible. Big, fat, ctrl button waiting to be crunched ;) |
| 21:38.45 | Bobbe | thx mgedmin. Where can I see which packages are in each repo? |
| 21:38.57 | mgedmin | good question |
| 21:45.53 | Bobbe | apparently somebody had compiled nano for os2007, but not 2008 |
| 21:46.12 | RST38h | nano works on 2008 |
| 21:46.44 | Bobbe | u mean getting this package compiled for os2007 and installing it on my diablo will work? |
| 21:46.56 | RST38h | Wait |
| 21:47.05 | Bobbe | k |
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| 21:47.10 | RST38h | Bottom of page http://nitapps.com/ |
| 21:48.19 | Bobbe | just a sec |
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| 21:51.58 | Bobbe | error opening terminal: xterm. |
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| 22:22.48 | Bobbe | another question: can you guys see pictures in ur e-mails? My html e-mails don't show pictures at all |
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| 22:34.11 | fiferboy_n810 | lbt: any luck with nested scrolling? |
| 22:34.20 | lbt | yep sorted |
| 22:34.38 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: catching up on (some) of tmo: thanks for some of your excellent posts btw |
| 22:35.08 | lbt | and it *must* be right 'cos it uses recursion! |
| 22:35.12 | lbt | http://pastebin.com/d6958f7c2 |
| 22:35.14 | lbt | WED |
| 22:35.16 | lbt | QED |
| 22:35.35 | lbt | (oh, and I tested it) |
| 22:36.04 | lbt | essentially I walk the tree myself and stop at QASAs |
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| 22:37.06 | fiferboy_n810 | Recursion has never been wrong |
| 22:37.22 | fiferboy_n810 | Even improperly implemented recursion is correct |
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| 22:38.37 | lbt | now reading the scrollarea code to see about bounce |
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| 22:40.39 | fiferboy_n810 | do you have any ideas yet? |
| 22:41.11 | lbt | updateWidgetPosition() |
| 22:43.47 | lbt | _q_hslide(int) |
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| 22:45.28 | fiferboy_n810 | are those qwidget functions? |
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| 22:45.35 | lbt | qasa |
| 22:46.09 | lbt | also it may be worth looking at QAbstractSlider::setValue |
| 22:46.24 | lbt | which is where the bounds checking is done... |
| 22:46.37 | lbt | we may subvert the bounds check |
| 22:47.13 | lbt | testing vmax patch now |
| 22:47.47 | fiferboy_n810 | setValue says it has to be within the legal range |
| 22:48.57 | lbt | yeah... we need to hack the legal range :) |
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| 22:51.36 | fiferboy_n810 | ah, that make sense |
| 22:52.10 | fiferboy_n810 | I never checked how the scrollbar responds in Fremantle when it is overshooting |
| 22:52.42 | lbt | do they squish |
| 22:53.00 | lbt | hmm they may not like that |
| 22:57.17 | fiferboy_n810 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-D-J0Y7ufM |
| 22:57.22 | fiferboy_n810 | They do squish |
| 22:57.42 | fiferboy_n810 | Isn't that what would happen when you make the range lager? |
| 22:57.46 | fiferboy_n810 | larger |
| 22:59.40 | lbt | I can see them fling out of the end in Qt... |
| 22:59.45 | lbt | flying |
| 23:00.19 | lbt | last vmax test b4 bed |
| 23:00.43 | fiferboy_n810 | As long as it doesn't paint the part that flies out, it'll look squishy |
| 23:01.14 | fiferboy_n810 | If you have a sec to send the nested code I would appreciate that |
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| 23:05.23 | lbt | may as well I'm in trouble anyway! |
| 23:05.40 | fiferboy_n810 | Staying up too late? |
| 23:07.52 | lbt | yup.... not getting any tonight! |
| 23:08.37 | fiferboy_n810 | Happens to me frequently... the getting in trouble for staying up coding part |
| 23:08.45 | lbt | qemu linker is so slow |
| 23:08.53 | lbt | yeah - I seem to work best at night |
| 23:09.10 | fiferboy_n810 | Try a Qt compile in virtualbox on a slow laptop! |
| 23:09.27 | lbt | no thanks :) |
| 23:10.12 | lbt | are you in the UK ? |
| 23:10.21 | fiferboy_n810 | No, Canada |
| 23:10.31 | lbt | oh, that's right |
| 23:10.34 | lbt | Ontario |
| 23:10.39 | fiferboy_n810 | I'm not in trouble yet, it's only 7:10 |
| 23:10.43 | fiferboy_n810 | Yep |
| 23:10.50 | lbt | heh 00:10 here |
| 23:11.08 | fiferboy_n810 | Where are you in the UK? |
| 23:11.19 | lbt | Reading, |
| 23:12.15 | fiferboy_n810 | My father-in-law is from Leciester |
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| 23:13.14 | lbt | email sent... has vmax cap and nested scroll should be OK... |
| 23:13.26 | lbt | I'd better go.... catch you tomorrow |
| 23:13.31 | fiferboy_n810 | Great, thanks so much |
| 23:13.34 | fiferboy_n810 | ttyl |
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| 23:43.53 | Bobbe | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FU0A64mhyM |
| 23:43.55 | b-man | establishes the #random-chatt channel - join if your bored lol |
| 23:44.09 | Bobbe | If I see this woman on the street, I'll run. No kidding |
| 23:44.30 | b-man | hehe |
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| 23:56.01 | lcuk | Bobbe kate is a well respected member of this community who does some excellent research, im sure if she ever saw you in the street she would be just as happy to see another community member as you are |
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| 23:58.52 | Bobbe | I didn't disrespect any of her work at all. I just said she looks scary in the video, that's all |
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