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| 01:36.00 | Macer | holy shit win7 sucks |
| 01:36.01 | Macer | haha |
| 01:39.57 | tank-man | why do you say that |
| 01:42.06 | xnt14 | Macer: yup, its still bad, but better than vista |
| 01:45.19 | Macer | it IS vista |
| 01:45.28 | Macer | i seriously can't find any major difference |
| 01:47.49 | xnt14 | well, it is the same code base, but I ill take it over vista any day |
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| 02:07.56 | Surtsey | Is there any debian-ports repo for maemo? I find it hard to believe I'm the only one who needs gnu screen. |
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| 02:55.36 | Macer | ok |
| 02:55.37 | Macer | wtf |
| 02:55.43 | Macer | windows 7 is vista with a new taskbar |
| 02:55.50 | Macer | if people pay for this shit they are stupid :) |
| 02:56.01 | Z357765413591701 | lol |
| 02:56.44 | Macer | seriously |
| 02:56.48 | Macer | that is all it is |
| 02:57.03 | Macer | i have read articles.. and been looking for differences |
| 02:57.10 | Macer | and there are almost none other than the taskbar |
| 02:57.23 | Macer | and no more sidebar.. instead you pu thte "gadgets" wherever you want |
| 02:57.30 | Z357765413591701 | indeed |
| 02:57.38 | timeless_mbp | Macer: w7 is actually quite nice |
| 02:57.49 | Macer | timeless_mbp: it is vista! |
| 02:57.51 | timeless_mbp | it performs better |
| 02:57.54 | Macer | with a different taskbar |
| 02:58.26 | Macer | how so? it's not necessarily going faster for me than vista does |
| 02:58.30 | Z357765413591701 | it has a slightly different base architecture |
| 02:58.37 | Macer | same kernel as vista |
| 02:59.25 | Z357765413591701 | (userspace) |
| 02:59.37 | Macer | it is something they could have live updated with a service pack but instead they are going to release it and charge people $500 for it :) |
| 03:02.59 | timeless_mbp | Macer: an upgrade price is unclear |
| 03:03.08 | timeless_mbp | unless they've announced something... |
| 03:03.20 | Macer | i'm sorry but it is garbage |
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| 04:35.00 | johnx | goes and falls asleep after 1,247 miles of driving in two days |
| 04:35.41 | ds3 | where did you go? |
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| 04:36.24 | johnx | ds3, la to seattle |
| 04:36.27 | johnx | basically |
| 04:36.52 | ds3 | Oh fun drive :D liked the 5? |
| 04:37.07 | johnx | yeah. I want to do it again with less of a time constraint :) |
| 04:37.22 | ds3 | this wasn't for pleasure? |
| 04:38.00 | johnx | not really, co-driving with my little sister back from her college to our parents' house |
| 04:38.39 | johnx | I mean, we had fun, but the time limit was strictly by today as I have work monday ;) |
| 04:40.08 | johnx | I think we did better than google's time prediction actually...even with gas stops and all that |
| 04:40.39 | johnx | excluding the ~7 hours rest in motel in Dunsmuir, CA |
| 04:40.58 | ds3 | that's the CA side of the OR-CA border, rightt? |
| 04:41.13 | johnx | hence the CA :) |
| 04:41.48 | johnx | north of Redding and south of Mt. Shasta |
| 04:41.48 | ds3 | wasn't completely sure it was right on the border or not |
| 04:42.02 | johnx | it's a good 60 miles south of OR I think |
| 04:42.03 | ds3 | Oh... it isn't on the border |
| 04:42.28 | ds3 | Good choice.... doing the Sisko(sp?) in the dark can get exciting |
| 04:42.29 | johnx | maemo mapper rocked my world. I need to get a bt gps to use with it next time |
| 04:43.09 | johnx | driving in the dark I'm ok with, driving in the dark while my passenger sleeps and I start to hit sleep deprivation is not cool though |
| 04:43.37 | ds3 | *nod* |
| 04:43.54 | ds3 | is this the 800 or 810? |
| 04:44.04 | johnx | n800 |
| 04:44.14 | johnx | makes me want an n810 for car purposes :/ |
| 04:44.47 | ds3 | I get annoying at not being able to see maemo mapper during the day |
| 04:44.59 | johnx | yeah, the screen was totally washed out in the sun and the lack of GPS hurts |
| 04:45.13 | johnx | I can do something about the GPS with a cheapo bt gps, but the screen ... |
| 04:46.17 | ds3 | which map repo did you use? |
| 04:46.25 | johnx | google street maps |
| 04:46.33 | johnx | I didn't want to mess around with anything else |
| 04:46.51 | johnx | I'd like to switch to OSM for most things and start contributing when I can, but not this trip ;) |
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| 04:47.35 | ds3 | heh.... the OSM stuff works ok on the 5. the 10 has some issues |
| 04:48.17 | johnx | I-10? |
| 04:48.22 | ds3 | yeah |
| 04:48.40 | johnx | aaah. we were on that for a bit |
| 04:48.44 | ds3 | some parts of it are off by 500-1000ft |
| 04:49.04 | johnx | darn. I should have recorded a new track for it :) |
| 04:50.08 | ds3 | I can't tell if it was the construction deviating and not reporting back or a genuine error |
| 04:50.28 | johnx | the other thing we needed though was maps of side streets in towns we pulled off in. I asked maemo mapper for coffee in dunsmuir and it led me to a great little place with spot on location |
| 04:50.50 | ds3 | how do you ask maemo mapper for things like that? |
| 04:51.03 | johnx | menu -> POI -> download |
| 04:51.24 | ds3 | and that pops up a box to search or? |
| 04:51.28 | johnx | yup |
| 04:51.44 | ds3 | oh... I must try that |
| 04:52.00 | ds3 | been having to run googlemaps in GVM for purely that use |
| 04:52.04 | johnx | it's backed by google's search results, so it tends to be pretty relevant |
| 04:52.19 | ds3 | that is saying nothing |
| 04:52.32 | ds3 | Google's results are rediculous 50-80% of the time |
| 04:52.39 | johnx | IME, it was pretty relevant |
| 04:53.21 | ds3 | I had googlemaps centered within 1-2 miles of aplacethat I knew by name. Ask googlemaps to find it - it finds an unrelated place in another state |
| 04:53.46 | johnx | er, yeah. it seems to do better finding businesses it seems |
| 04:53.49 | ds3 | had stuff like that happen too many times. googlemaps is too polluted |
| 04:53.55 | ds3 | That WAS a business |
| 04:54.01 | johnx | ah |
| 04:54.05 | johnx | no idea then |
| 04:54.06 | ds3 | I asked for it by name |
| 04:54.20 | ds3 | if I timed in the full exact name, it finds it |
| 04:55.00 | johnx | anyways, I'm off to sleep. 'night |
| 04:55.04 | ds3 | nightt |
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| 05:59.03 | RST38h | heya johnx |
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| 06:18.11 | thux | morning |
| 06:19.28 | lbt | morning all |
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| 08:37.28 | kbalazs | wants to know how can an application getting to know about the system goes to hibernate? is there any signal/dbus-message for it? |
| 08:37.55 | Stskeeps | kbalazs: libosso may know, but it's sent out with a systeminactivity thing |
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| 08:41.07 | kbalazs | Stskeeps: is there any way to listen for it? expecially we want to purge out our memory caches in this situation |
| 08:41.32 | Stskeeps | kbalazs: well, there's no such thing as "hibernate", the screen just turns off :) |
| 08:41.37 | Stskeeps | it doesn't s2ram |
| 08:42.38 | Stskeeps | and it sets a different PSM timeout |
| 08:44.37 | kbalazs | Stskeeps: it doesn't really matter from our point of view that how does the system going to be inactive |
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| 08:45.01 | Stskeeps | kbalazs: i can't recall the exact signal but there's definately one :) |
| 08:45.33 | Stskeeps | signal sender=:1.9 -> dest=(null destination) serial=74 path=/com/nokia/mce/signal; interface=com.nokia.mce.signal; member=system_inactivity_ind |
| 08:47.21 | kbalazs | Stskeeps: thanks, this would be helpful |
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| 08:47.54 | Stskeeps | what are you making, - out of curiousity? |
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| 08:49.48 | kbalazs | Stskeeps: we have a project what's goal is to optimize WebKit for embedded systems |
| 08:49.59 | Stskeeps | interesting :) |
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| 08:50.32 | Stskeeps | Tear's author bundyo is doing some fixes to webkit for maemo as well - with hildon input method and such working now |
| 08:51.14 | kbalazs | Stskeeps: you can get some sense about our work from here: http://webkit.sed.hu/ |
| 08:53.01 | Stskeeps | interesting :) |
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| 09:07.09 | aquatix | what's the latest version of tear? |
| 09:07.13 | aquatix | 0.3 still? |
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| 10:08.14 | Jaffa | Bonjour |
| 10:08.36 | X-Fade | Hi Jaffa, back from your trip? |
| 10:08.40 | keesj | Coucou, ca va? |
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| 10:09.16 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Nope, not yet. In the (closed) bar on 4eur/hr wifi |
| 10:09.34 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Ah! |
| 10:09.41 | Jaffa | Just downloading mail to my tablet, ordering a new monitor etc |
| 10:09.45 | lardman | morning chaps |
| 10:09.58 | florian | good morning |
| 10:10.04 | lardman | hey florian |
| 10:11.29 | Stskeepie | Jaffa: you can definately enjoy the vacation, you're avoiding the iTT flamefests ;) |
| 10:12.26 | Jaffa | Stskeepie: enough of them before I left meant I didn't read ITT for two days. Usually, I read it every couple of hours - and I'm much more relaxed for it. |
| 10:12.34 | Stskeepie | hehe |
| 10:12.54 | Stskeepie | i've gone as far as to ignore some people's posts, it has reduced my blood pressure considerably :P |
| 10:13.22 | Jaffa | If it hasn't calmed down by the time I get back, I'll do similar. |
| 10:14.52 | lbt | Jaffa : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=286366 |
| 10:14.54 | Jaffa | Going cider/calvados/pommeau tasting this afternoon |
| 10:15.06 | lbt | much more positive.... |
| 10:15.11 | Jaffa | lbt: Nope, I won't be tricked |
| 10:15.22 | Jaffa | It's probably worse than goatse |
| 10:15.35 | lbt | it has room for a cider tasting application |
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| 10:18.30 | Jaffa | lbt: cool post |
| 10:18.42 | Jaffa | lbt: just recompiled, or needed patching? |
| 10:19.17 | Stskeepie | there's a lot of scratchboxisms at some places |
| 10:19.20 | Stskeepie | which kinda sucks |
| 10:21.22 | Stskeepie | i hope we can encourage not having sb-isms through the extras-testing procedure and maemian |
| 10:21.43 | Jaffa | nods |
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| 10:23.04 | Jaffa | assumes he hasn't missed a new device announcement, btw |
| 10:23.24 | X-Fade | Stskeepie: It might be a good idea to record test cases in the wiki. |
| 10:23.34 | X-Fade | Stskeepie: Whenever you bump into one.. |
| 10:23.56 | Stskeepie | yeah, we are |
| 10:24.05 | X-Fade | Stskeepie: So when we actually create a test script, we have test cases ;) |
| 10:26.11 | lbt | I've submitted a couple of ant-sb guards to maemo-Qt and they've been accepted in |
| 10:26.48 | lbt | simple things like if [ -d /scratchbox/ ]; do silly things; done |
| 10:27.37 | lbt | also OBS has found some build errors.. missing dependencies, failure to run dh_ things... |
| 10:28.11 | Stskeepie | missing dependancies is a sbism too, assuming packages are there that isn't traditionally in bare build environments :P |
| 10:28.36 | Stskeepie | we have many gcc4isms too but i guess that will show in Fremantle too |
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| 10:41.35 | dl9pf | the sb-isms should just be guarded by ifs ... in case the're really needed |
| 10:42.25 | Stskeepie | in scratchbox they probably are :P |
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| 10:48.38 | GAN800 | People apparently don't get what commercial developers are. |
| 10:49.01 | Myrtti | there's people who don't get what developers are, period |
| 10:49.07 | Stskeepie | 'lo Myrtti |
| 10:49.08 | aquatix | :) |
| 10:49.11 | aquatix | hey Myrtti |
| 10:49.13 | aquatix | et al |
| 10:49.25 | GAN800 | Myrtti, it's sad when these people are developers. |
| 10:49.42 | Myrtti | GAN800: yeah... |
| 10:49.59 | Myrtti | is "Software Developer" herself |
| 10:50.06 | Stskeepie | GAN800: well, imho maemo.org should be open to commercial developers too - it's a great way to shape up things and gain more backing |
| 10:50.16 | aquatix | how in flux is Mer nowadays? is it able to fully replace os2008? |
| 10:50.17 | GAN800 | It is |
| 10:50.42 | GAN800 | But commercial developers clearly have a separate support structure in place for them. |
| 10:50.42 | Stskeepie | (disclaimer: i didn't read all the thread since i'm ignoring some of the participants.) |
| 10:50.48 | Stskeepie | obviously |
| 10:50.55 | Stskeepie | but if we take it on a limb, it's a service nokia offers |
| 10:51.14 | GAN800 | With access to very different levels of information. |
| 10:51.57 | GAN800 | The argument is that knowing whether Maps or Navicore was bundled was relevant to commercial developers. |
| 10:52.06 | Stskeepie | ah |
| 10:53.08 | Stskeepie | well that makes more sense then |
| 10:54.11 | GAN800 | I don't believe it's important to community developers, and commercial ones clearly have their own channel to that information. |
| 10:54.26 | Stskeepie | it's not, nokia bundles what they want |
| 10:54.39 | Stskeepie | maemo mapper lives as a alternative no matter if maps or navicore is there |
| 10:55.28 | GAN800 | Which is why the whole thread is silly. ;) |
| 10:55.32 | Stskeepie | wonders if the financial crisis is a good time to start projects like mer and such. lot of people out of work and looking for ways to improve their CV. |
| 10:55.58 | Stskeepie | if you don't use your coding abilities you slowly lose them |
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| 10:57.29 | lbt | .... never ;) |
| 10:58.26 | Stskeepie | my reason for working on mer is simple: make myself visible to land myself a good job after graduation |
| 10:59.17 | lbt | it's not what you know, it's who you know.... and who knows you. |
| 10:59.31 | Stskeepie | .. and because it's fun. |
| 10:59.53 | glass | who knows that you know |
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| 11:14.36 | lcuk | since gtk is an essential part of the maemo os and the user always has a theme in use, what is the issue of using the glyphs from the current in use theme? |
| 11:14.52 | Stskeepie | you can maybe use sapwood protocol to get pixmaps? |
| 11:16.00 | lcuk | yeah whichever method i use |
| 11:16.21 | lcuk | are those glyphs considered fair game to use in a none gtk app |
| 11:16.55 | lcuk | i would aim to not send media out and just use whats there you see |
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| 11:28.14 | xnt14 | is awake |
| 11:28.34 | Myrtti | is infinitely intrested |
| 11:28.42 | lcuk | shows xnt14 a swirly hypnotic pattern |
| 11:29.02 | xnt14 | stares |
| 11:29.03 | JamieBennett | is refactoring code and not liking it |
| 11:29.24 | xnt14 | checks lifehacker/gizmodo/etc... |
| 11:29.28 | lcuk | is bugfixing a bug thats unreproducable :| |
| 11:29.39 | xnt14 | : | |
| 11:29.43 | lcuk | i did my refactoring at weekend :D |
| 11:29.51 | JamieBennett | lcuk Story of my life ! |
| 11:29.51 | xnt14 | :D |
| 11:30.00 | JamieBennett | Bugs, bugs and more bugs |
| 11:30.16 | lcuk | JamieBennett, ive got exactly 2 known bugs with a specific firm |
| 11:30.27 | lcuk | and neither of them are reproducable on our systems |
| 11:30.40 | JamieBennett | lcuk blame the hardware |
| 11:30.43 | lcuk | but thanfully one of them is reproducably reproducable |
| 11:30.57 | lcuk | the other just randomly happens like an accidental fart |
| 11:31.06 | roope | what would macgyver do. |
| 11:31.39 | lcuk | apt-get install chewing gum, paperclip |
| 11:31.50 | Stskeepie | a rx-51 and a picoprojector |
| 11:31.54 | lcuk | but i cant do that with this lol |
| 11:32.32 | aquatix | lcuk: blame it on cosmic rays or the position of the moon? |
| 11:32.40 | lcuk | JamieBennett, no can do, the one i am tracking today happens on multiple machines with multiple user accounts, its dpi resolution scaling issue |
| 11:32.43 | aquatix | or the occassional rain |
| 11:32.56 | lcuk | aquarius-, ive already put a bug report in with god about those |
| 11:33.00 | lcuk | they didnt believe me |
| 11:33.09 | aquatix | ah, god is a debian developer? |
| 11:33.13 | aquatix | :P |
| 11:33.27 | lcuk | yeah, but he codes in lisp |
| 11:33.31 | aquatix | yep |
| 11:33.40 | aquatix | well, actually he hacks it all together in perl |
| 11:34.14 | aquatix | but does it depend on the application, those dpi issues? |
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| 11:36.28 | lcuk | that does yeah, its stupid complex code sat around and returning different values and erroring, tisnt complex, but frustrating |
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| 11:42.21 | lardman | lcuk: dpi resolution scaling graphical thingymawatchit errors? |
| 11:42.29 | lardman | lcuk: easy solution to that you know? |
| 11:42.40 | lardman | lcuk: write command line programs only! |
| 11:44.29 | timeless_mbp | oh how nice |
| 11:44.43 | timeless_mbp | can't run update nokia phone software from OS X |
| 11:44.50 | timeless_mbp | http://www.nokiausa.com/get-support-and-software/software/device-software-update/faq#faq26 |
| 11:45.01 | timeless_mbp | feels like a second class citizen |
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| 11:49.29 | GAN800 | timeless_mbp, you just wish you were a second class citizen. ;) |
| 11:49.49 | timeless_mbp | GAN800: you sure i don't want to be a second class citiSen? |
| 11:50.31 | timeless_mbp | GAN800: anyway, i'm tempted to try software update from w7 |
| 11:50.42 | timeless_mbp | wonders what the odds are that it works there! :) |
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| 11:53.09 | lcuk | "im sorry timeless, you cannot run the update software in a VM, please use a correctly license retail version of w7 " :P |
| 11:53.27 | lcuk | lardman, agreed most certainly |
| 11:53.50 | lcuk | these graphics are a bit hairy at the best of times ;) |
| 11:53.52 | timeless_mbp | did i mention that w7vXP requires hardware acceleration and therefore I can't use it in virtualbox on my mac? :( |
| 11:54.12 | lcuk | heh |
| 11:54.43 | lcuk | its prolly cos win7 has a short neck and looks dodgy in a turtleneck |
| 11:55.10 | aquatix | *g* |
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| 11:56.18 | GAN800 | I keep wondering what's happening in week 7. . . . |
| 11:57.04 | aquatix | release of symbian^2? :P |
| 11:57.38 | GAN8001 | I'm really interested to see what Nokia's software landscape is going to look like when Harmattan rolls around. |
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| 11:58.39 | GAN8001 | notes the G4 is "dead" again. |
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| 11:59.05 | aquatix | wonders whether to get an N97 or a simpler phone and an RX51 |
| 11:59.10 | lcuk | gan did you ever actually say what the problem was |
| 11:59.14 | aquatix | or maybe even wait till symbian^2 |
| 11:59.23 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, G4. |
| 11:59.34 | lcuk | i personally wonder whether you can root the n97 and put mer on it |
| 11:59.39 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: what's the G4? |
| 11:59.44 | aquatix | lcuk: heh :) |
| 11:59.51 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, not G4. The 2001 Quicksilver I have sitting in the family room with a hard drive that "dies" every once and a while. |
| 11:59.55 | aquatix | lcuk: and if it's usable then |
| 12:00.08 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, well, can you root an N95 or N96? |
| 12:00.10 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: oh, a dead apple? |
| 12:00.16 | lcuk | you know what i mean |
| 12:00.21 | GeneralAntilles | aquatix, playing possum anyway. |
| 12:00.24 | lcuk | diablo even |
| 12:00.42 | lcuk | or fremantle if the n97 can handle the power |
| 12:00.47 | GeneralAntilles | aquatix, I've also got a leaking G5 that's in the shop at the moment that lcuk was referring to. |
| 12:00.56 | aquatix | aha |
| 12:01.20 | lcuk | ahhh i thought you were joking about your g5 pissin all over the place |
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| 12:01.46 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, no, the liquid cooling leaked and took out most of the component in the case (and rusted the case itself). |
| 12:01.53 | lardman | imagines the General rolling in after a hard night drinking and forgetting where the bathroom is |
| 12:02.10 | lcuk | is liquidcoooled |
| 12:02.11 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, I don't really drink. ;) |
| 12:02.24 | lcuk | storm surge? |
| 12:02.28 | lardman | well in that case it needn't have been a hard night then! :) |
| 12:02.33 | lcuk | did you forget and lob that in the pool too? |
| 12:02.43 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, my nihilistic tendencies are strong. ;) |
| 12:02.53 | lardman | mine are too after this weekend |
| 12:02.58 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 12:03.16 | lcuk | whens stag do? |
| 12:03.23 | lcuk | or are you still chained to a lamppost now> |
| 12:03.32 | lardman | done, had a few drinks with some friends a few weekends ago |
| 12:03.46 | lardman | nah, was just dressed as a lady, so were the rest of them mind you |
| 12:04.06 | lcuk | ?? i thought you were meant to do something different for stag do? |
| 12:04.11 | GeneralAntilles | The ladies? ;) |
| 12:04.33 | lardman | we decided we wanted a quiet stag+hen do all together |
| 12:04.59 | lardman | can you see this?: http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/photo.php?pid=2622718&op=1&o=global&view=global&subj=750258503&id=750258503 |
| 12:05.03 | lcuk | you have uni mates who would chain you up dont you |
| 12:05.20 | lardman | they might try, but I said I'd break arms |
| 12:05.51 | lcuk | nooooo, you cant break arms, break intels |
| 12:06.46 | lardman | Spanish class, back later on |
| 12:06.49 | lcuk | This content is currently unavailable |
| 12:06.49 | lcuk | The page you requested cannot be displayed at the moment. Please wait for your friend to be less pissed and try again |
| 12:07.22 | xnt14 | lcuk: xD |
| 12:07.23 | lardman|learning | ah, well you'll have to join Facebook and become my friend then, or I can just stick the photo up on my webpage when I come back |
| 12:07.35 | lcuk | lol |
| 12:07.35 | xnt14 | web page please |
| 12:07.59 | lcuk | might get a facebook account when hell freezes over |
| 12:08.06 | xnt14 | or I can host it on dreamhost, I have plenty of extra bandwidth |
| 12:08.13 | aquatix | lcuk: that soon? |
| 12:08.22 | lcuk | yeah |
| 12:08.39 | lcuk | i was planning on waiting till a blue moon, but i figured ive gotta have one achievable goal |
| 12:08.44 | lbt | <shock>you're not on facebook?</shock> |
| 12:08.52 | aquatix | isn't on twitter |
| 12:08.57 | xnt14 | twitter ftw! |
| 12:09.02 | lbt | what's twitter? |
| 12:09.03 | lcuk | twitter wins |
| 12:09.07 | xnt14 | xD |
| 12:09.07 | aquatix | lbt: web-based irc |
| 12:09.10 | lcuk | but its a bit short for what im thinking |
| 12:09.13 | lbt | heh |
| 12:09.19 | xnt14 | heh |
| 12:09.39 | lbt | .log twitter |
| 12:09.45 | lbt | .log wins |
| 12:10.22 | xnt14 | randomly googles for merbot |
| 12:10.22 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, you might know this (anyone else might as well) - if i started posting text based sketch files to t.m.o is there any way to make the text of the comment invisible and not displayed to a regular browser - but something that i could readback and convert back to sketches by browsing |
| 12:10.35 | lcuk | xnt14, dont |
| 12:10.38 | xnt14 | wtf? http://twitter.com/merbot |
| 12:10.44 | lcuk | i tried it - it leads to something about a hot karl |
| 12:10.46 | xnt14 | lcuk: to late :( |
| 12:10.54 | timeless_mbp | GAN800: my sister asked me for help upgrading Firefox to Firefox 3 on her G4 |
| 12:11.08 | lardman|learning | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/1.jpg should do it, I'm the one with pigtails, have to run now almost late |
| 12:11.09 | timeless_mbp | she knew Firefox 3 was "available" because her start page offered it |
| 12:11.15 | timeless_mbp | but check for updates didn't offer it |
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| 12:11.29 | lcuk | some user on urban dictionary thing is called merbot and his offered thing isnt great :| |
| 12:11.30 | timeless_mbp | because she's running 10.3.9 (just like my G5 back home) |
| 12:11.47 | lbt | I know the guy on the right! |
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| 12:13.06 | lcuk | lbt, thats not a guy! |
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| 12:13.48 | xnt14 | timeless_mbp: xD, just dl ff3 off of mozilla .com |
| 12:14.00 | xnt14 | * -[space] |
| 12:14.01 | timeless_mbp | xnt14: pointless |
| 12:14.05 | timeless_mbp | it doesn't run on 10.3.9 |
| 12:14.09 | xnt14 | oh ok |
| 12:14.13 | xnt14 | upgrade to tiger? |
| 12:14.16 | xnt14 | or leopard |
| 12:14.23 | aquatix | zomg @ lardman|learning's pic |
| 12:14.27 | timeless_mbp | buy her a license and i'll help her upgrade |
| 12:14.39 | xnt14 | sadly |
| 12:14.42 | timeless_mbp | mozilla.com is giving me a license this week |
| 12:14.43 | xnt14 | is broke |
| 12:14.49 | timeless_mbp | yeah, see... |
| 12:15.20 | lardman | ah, class cancelled |
| 12:15.24 | xnt14 | yay |
| 12:15.43 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, Leopard time. |
| 12:15.57 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, you can at least upgrade your sister. :P |
| 12:16.07 | xnt14 | panther it too old |
| 12:16.11 | timeless_mbp | i didn't even upgrade myself! |
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| 12:16.19 | lardman_ | oops |
| 12:16.28 | timeless_mbp | i'm only upgrading because someone else is giving me the license |
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| 12:16.32 | xnt14 | plus its better, timemachine, spaces, etc |
| 12:16.52 | xnt14 | StsN802: New Tablet xD |
| 12:16.58 | GeneralAntilles | My sister has totally switched over to using her iPhone as her primary computer. |
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| 12:17.44 | lardman | lbt: you really know him? |
| 12:18.12 | xnt14 | GeneralAntilles: Never, Cydia crashes too much to be a good package manager, and safari is good , but still crashy, and the appstore crashes randomly |
| 12:18.35 | xnt14 | GA: apt-get ftw |
| 12:18.50 | lardman_ | whoa, wierd, a message I sent before my disconnect just arrived after I reconnected |
| 12:18.59 | xnt14 | timeless_mbp: fios? |
| 12:19.23 | GeneralAntilles | xnt14, huh? |
| 12:19.31 | GeneralAntilles | Oh |
| 12:19.33 | GeneralAntilles | iPhone |
| 12:19.33 | GeneralAntilles | Meh |
| 12:19.43 | xnt14 | GA: is her iphone jailbroken or not? |
| 12:20.05 | xnt14 | xD |
| 12:20.06 | GeneralAntilles | xnt14, no. |
| 12:20.06 | timeless_mbp | xnt14: yes |
| 12:20.12 | timeless_mbp | my parents are lucky |
| 12:20.16 | Andrewfblack | Hello |
| 12:20.27 | xnt14 | andrewfblack: hello |
| 12:20.31 | GeneralAntilles | FiOS is so awful |
| 12:20.35 | xnt14 | timeless_mbp, same here |
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| 12:20.41 | xnt14 | GA: oh ok xD |
| 12:20.44 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: iPhone as primary computer? wow |
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| 12:20.51 | timeless_mbp | ponders |
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| 12:20.53 | GeneralAntilles | Friend of mine got the 20/20 connection which they kill every 15 minutes. |
| 12:20.57 | timeless_mbp | well, she could "run facebook on that" |
| 12:21.13 | timeless_mbp | and gmail... |
| 12:21.23 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, she uses her laptop for typing up papers and some of the bulkier research, but the iPhone has displaced it for almost everything. |
| 12:21.25 | timeless_mbp | yeah, that'd probably work, it's probably cheaper than upgrading her mac |
| 12:21.26 | xnt14 | timeless_mbp: what speed do you have? I have 5mb up ,a and 20mb down |
| 12:21.29 | Andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles: yeah I never understood that whats the use if I can't do anything on it really |
| 12:21.50 | Andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles: I know they don't want people running servers on it which is why but you can't even play an online game |
| 12:21.56 | GeneralAntilles | I've got Brighthouse here and love it. 20/2 |
| 12:22.03 | timeless_mbp | xnt14: dunno, i'm sharing it w/ my dad, so i'm not going to run a speed test |
| 12:22.04 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: my girlfriend uses a Palm T|X most of the time at home |
| 12:22.15 | xnt14 | oh ok :P |
| 12:23.23 | GeneralAntilles | aquatix, for browsing? |
| 12:23.30 | Andrewfblack | my boss is so cheap at work we only have 1.5mb down and .5mb up for about 12 people to share |
| 12:23.55 | GeneralAntilles | Sounds fun |
| 12:23.57 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: yep, and reading mail |
| 12:24.04 | GeneralAntilles | aquatix, sounds painful |
| 12:24.15 | StsN802 | bangs head into table |
| 12:24.17 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: well, she only checks some news sites |
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| 12:24.35 | GeneralAntilles | StsN802, should we buy you a pad for your desk? :) |
| 12:24.38 | aquatix | her primary pc at home is a Samsung NC10 (10" netbook) |
| 12:24.55 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: it's not like she doesn't use a pc at work :) |
| 12:25.14 | StsN802 | GeneralAntilles, more like protection from chinese mafia |
| 12:25.24 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 12:25.43 | GeneralAntilles | We're gonna have to send in the Maemo Squad to save StsN802. |
| 12:25.49 | StsN802 | it's leaked -all over- |
| 12:26.24 | lbt | lardman probably not... fuzzy but looks like Andrew G |
| 12:26.34 | GeneralAntilles | Pleading the fifth seems releveant. :P |
| 12:28.23 | GeneralAntilles | Ahaha: "english language firmware by maemo" |
| 12:28.25 | GeneralAntilles | Awesome. |
| 12:29.00 | lbt | have you guys any idea how much companies pay for marketing like this :D |
| 12:29.29 | lbt | StsN802... I can't see them being at all unhappy |
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| 12:32.04 | xnt14 | ok guys I have to go to school |
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| 12:48.10 | timeless_mbp | xnt[at_school]: 15up, 2 down |
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| 12:50.35 | toggles_w | anyone have a pointer for n810 + maemo-pan + ubuntu 9.04? i can pair the two but cannot seem to get an ip and there doesn't seem to be a 'dummy connection' in the select connection box. tia. |
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| 13:02.08 | Stskeeps | i have a full appreciation for Nokia being able to run a open source project without product details leaking out all the time now. :> |
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| 13:07.08 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: what happened? |
| 13:07.43 | timeless_mbp | actually, i can't stick around to find out... bye :) |
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| 13:21.12 | xnt[school] | hello world! |
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| 13:35.16 | lardman | lbt: no, his name is Jon |
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| 13:36.04 | lopz | hola |
| 13:36.17 | lardman | hola que tal? |
| 13:36.31 | lardman | tries to get at least a bit of Spanish practise in today |
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| 13:40.55 | lardman | thinks that perhaps his Spanish wasn't too great |
| 13:41.22 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: ping? |
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| 13:42.10 | _berto_ | lardman: well, it was ;) |
| 13:42.21 | lardman | yay! :) |
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| 13:49.00 | VDVsx | lardman, are you practising your Spanish for you honeymoon in Mexico :P |
| 13:49.15 | VDVsx | is kidding |
| 13:50.59 | fiferboy | lbt: Have you made many changes to your finger scrolling code since the lbt-qt branch was created? |
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| 13:51.51 | lardman | VDVsx: we were thinking about going there, glad we didn't choose that now! |
| 13:52.03 | X-Fade | Stskeeps, lbt: How hard is it to submit packages to the Mer builder? |
| 13:52.08 | lardman | VDVsx: nah, just thought I'd use the facilities at the uni and learn another language |
| 13:52.18 | X-Fade | I'm thinking of adding it to the Extras Assitant. |
| 13:52.19 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: login, new package, write description, upload .dsc .tar.gz, done |
| 13:52.30 | X-Fade | So you can submit it to Extras and Mer at the same time. |
| 13:52.36 | Stskeeps | probably even easier with osc |
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| 13:52.48 | lardman | goes to get cold caffeine |
| 13:53.31 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Does OBS have an API for that? |
| 13:53.47 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: yeah - poke lbt, i'm sure he'll help :) |
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| 13:54.31 | X-Fade | It can be as easy as just creating a maemoextras account for your builder and use that to pass all packages to the builder. |
| 13:55.03 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 13:55.16 | Stskeeps | but anyway, lbt is the local expert on this, and i'm sure he'll help :) |
| 13:55.36 | X-Fade | Heh, ok :) |
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| 13:57.41 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4527 |
| 13:58.22 | X-Fade | mikkov_: Lol, really? |
| 13:58.24 | X-Fade | mikkov_: Weird. |
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| 13:59.11 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: I can send screenshot if it works differently for you :) |
| 13:59.30 | X-Fade | mikkov_: I have un-prived accounts too ;) |
| 14:00.21 | X-Fade | mikkov_: Ah, yeah. you need to add authors somewhere else. |
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| 14:01.08 | X-Fade | mikkov_: You need to Edit metadata for that. |
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| 14:01.49 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: That's changed then. And not documented anywhere |
| 14:01.57 | X-Fade | mikkov_: Hmm no, you are right. |
| 14:02.05 | X-Fade | mikkov_: You _can_ edit it there. |
| 14:02.15 | X-Fade | mikkov_: But it should work in the edit form too ;) |
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| 14:04.08 | X-Fade | mikkov_: Hmm and it does for me too. |
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| 14:05.19 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: adding authors in edit view is not possible for me |
| 14:05.38 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: I can only remove |
| 14:05.40 | X-Fade | mikkov_: Does it lookup the user when you add the username in the box? |
| 14:05.58 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: problem is that there is no box :) |
| 14:06.19 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: edit metadata works |
| 14:06.42 | X-Fade | mikkov_: Go to the edit form and shift-reload the page. |
| 14:07.05 | X-Fade | mikkov_: I think you saw the names with a checkbox in front of them? |
| 14:08.11 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: reloading doesn't help |
| 14:08.34 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: yes, if there is a author I can see that with checkbox |
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| 14:08.50 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: if there is no author then there is nothing |
| 14:09.00 | mikkov_ | except the texts |
| 14:09.01 | X-Fade | mikkov_: That gets replaced with javascript. |
| 14:09.45 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: I have Javascript |
| 14:10.05 | X-Fade | mikkov_: Can you try logging out and then login again? |
| 14:11.43 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: doesn't help |
| 14:12.00 | X-Fade | mikkov_: Any script errors? |
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| 14:14.30 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: where would I see those? |
| 14:14.54 | X-Fade | mikkov_: depends on which browser you use.. |
| 14:15.31 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: look from from bugzilla |
| 14:15.55 | X-Fade | mikkov_: ctrl-shift-j ;) |
| 14:17.01 | mikkov_ | Error: $(this).parents is not a function |
| 14:17.02 | mikkov_ | Source File: http://static.maemo.org/style_maemo2009/js/jquery.form-defaults.js |
| 14:17.57 | mikkov_ | Line: 32 |
| 14:18.38 | X-Fade | mikkov_: Ok, I see it too. |
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| 14:24.32 | lcuk | i officially hate gmail |
| 14:25.24 | Andrewfblack | why hate gmail? |
| 14:25.35 | aquatix | why use gmail? |
| 14:25.36 | aquatix | ;) |
| 14:25.43 | aquatix | lcuk: but what's wrong? |
| 14:26.08 | lcuk | everytime i send a mail to/from the mailing list i fill in the lovely automatically prepared reply box |
| 14:26.26 | lcuk | and every time i do it its set to the individual who sent the mail and excludes the mailing list itself |
| 14:26.43 | lcuk | never checks, im replying to a mail i got just like every other |
| 14:26.58 | slonopotamus | use reply-to-all, luke |
| 14:27.02 | X-Fade | mikkov_: The script that resets the default values in the login and search boxes is messing up. |
| 14:27.04 | slonopotamus | s/luke/lcuk/ |
| 14:27.23 | lcuk | thats the thing i never click reply to anyone, theres a reply box already that i use 100 times a day |
| 14:27.25 | X-Fade | mikkov_: So we need to fix that one. |
| 14:27.48 | aquatix | lcuk: ah, joy |
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| 14:28.04 | aquatix | lcuk: i guess the list has ML headers? |
| 14:28.18 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: k |
| 14:28.21 | lcuk | probably |
| 14:30.35 | lardman | hmm, nice to see details of how to access the encryption engines on that Samsung chip |
| 14:31.20 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 14:31.32 | Stskeeps | just hopes the cooperation with the company is not damaged. |
| 14:31.44 | lardman | well they didn't leak it |
| 14:31.50 | lardman | came from Russia |
| 14:32.13 | slonopotamus | lcuk, then tell ml owners to properly set reply-to header :) |
| 14:32.29 | Stskeeps | well, this was something else :) less than 12 hours that i put the firmware image on mer-chatter it ended up on wiki.maemo.org/Mer obviously, and then on to http://www.jiongtang.com/blog/digital-product/smartq5-english-version-firmware-beta/ , lardman |
| 14:32.42 | Stskeeps | and it was just supposed to be an internal image. |
| 14:32.43 | lardman | ah yes, I saw your post about that |
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| 14:33.11 | Stskeeps | i like the publicity but i hope the company understands that open source means everyone can get it |
| 14:33.16 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, what do you want? |
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| 14:33.28 | lardman | Stskeeps: does it have a video out on that device? |
| 14:33.33 | Stskeeps | i think it does. |
| 14:33.38 | Stskeeps | i need a cable for it though |
| 14:33.46 | lardman | good stuff |
| 14:34.19 | Stskeeps | it has a tv on the headphone plug |
| 14:34.42 | lardman | cool, just reading details on how to format TV output |
| 14:34.43 | crashanddie__ | technically so did the OMAP2 device, it just wasn't connected :) |
| 14:34.58 | lardman | yeah |
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| 14:35.05 | lardman | plus we didn't have any decent docs for it |
| 14:35.10 | crashanddie__ | true |
| 14:35.16 | crashanddie__ | which device is this you're talking about? |
| 14:35.23 | Stskeeps | SmartQ5 |
| 14:35.44 | lardman | well this doc gives the register offsets and how to write to them for everything I've looked at so far, looks promising |
| 14:35.45 | AStorm | undercutting nokia share with #maemo... brilliant! |
| 14:35.48 | AStorm | :D |
| 14:35.55 | AStorm | except it doesn't have a phone |
| 14:36.06 | crashanddie__ | where can I get one? |
| 14:37.08 | lardman | +1 |
| 14:37.13 | lbt | X-Fade: it's trivial ... eg I ran : bin/obs_package.pl --project Maemo:Mer:Devel:Extras:Testing --obsdir /home/lbt/data/obs http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/source/p/panucci/panucci_0.2-5.dsc |
| 14:37.16 | lardman | though I'd go for the smartQ 7 I think |
| 14:37.17 | lbt | back now :) |
| 14:37.35 | lbt | fiferboy: no, no changed... all Mer :) :( |
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| 14:38.18 | fiferboy | lbt: I was just looking through the code in the repository |
| 14:38.31 | lbt | nods |
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| 14:38.38 | X-Fade | mikkov_: better now? |
| 14:38.51 | fiferboy | How did you come up with the constants you use? |
| 14:39.00 | fiferboy | 100 ms refresh, etc? |
| 14:39.00 | lbt | fiferboy: which? timings? |
| 14:39.11 | fiferboy | Yes. |
| 14:39.21 | lbt | thought |
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| 14:39.37 | lbt | they seem to work... I may have tweaked them |
| 14:39.48 | X-Fade | lbt: Ok, so we would need to come up with a way to signal your builder with a pointer to the location of the package? |
| 14:39.55 | lardman | Stskeeps: is the multi-format codec firmware included in anything you have? |
| 14:40.30 | crashanddie__ | stskeepdo you have a smartq5? |
| 14:40.37 | lbt | X-Fade: well, that's my script and it looks inside the dsc and pulls the orig.tar.gz and diff.gz |
| 14:40.42 | lbt | and ups them to OBS |
| 14:40.57 | lbt | so what is the objective? :) |
| 14:41.22 | X-Fade | lbt: Well we can run that too. |
| 14:41.38 | lbt | recently I decided a simple way to think of OBS is as a version control system for source tarballs and .dsc files and whenever you commit a tarball the build farm compiles it for you |
| 14:42.09 | lbt | so the script simplifies the process... but it's just a hack for 1st time uploads... |
| 14:42.18 | X-Fade | lbt: I just want to add Mer here: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php?step=2 |
| 14:42.20 | fiferboy | lbt: I wonder if tinkering with them would help improve smoothness at all, although I think only KINETIC_REFRESH would have any effect. |
| 14:42.21 | Stskeeps | lardman: i saw some .so's but i dont think so |
| 14:42.32 | X-Fade | And whatever work needs to be done in the background, needs to be done ;) |
| 14:42.40 | Stskeeps | lardman: i am not sure though |
| 14:42.40 | lbt | cool... OK |
| 14:42.52 | lardman | Stskeeps: shame, but not a biggie, looks like that's only needed for the encoder dsp |
| 14:42.58 | X-Fade | lbt: Since the user then only needs to upload once. |
| 14:43.19 | lbt | yep... |
| 14:43.33 | lbt | osc has a couple of commands |
| 14:43.38 | lbt | osc addremove |
| 14:43.47 | lbt | osc commit -m "message" |
| 14:43.52 | crashanddie__ | stskeep: do you have a smartq5? |
| 14:44.07 | lardman | damn, I'm wrong, need the firmware to access the hw accel parts too |
| 14:44.24 | X-Fade | lbt: 'automated build from Maemo Extras' ;) |
| 14:44.24 | crashanddie__ | s/p/ps/ |
| 14:44.27 | lbt | so if you checkout the osc project, delete the files in the wd, replace them, run addremove, run commit.... you're done |
| 14:44.46 | lbt | X-Fade: yep, I get it.... very nice :) |
| 14:45.12 | Stskeeps | crashanddie__: yes |
| 14:45.25 | lbt | X-Fade: have you read http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build |
| 14:45.28 | crashanddie__ | Stskeeps: I want one, how much for shipping one to me? :P |
| 14:45.45 | Stskeeps | crashanddie__: hehe. if the chinese haven't fucked everything up for me, i should get a vendor list.. |
| 14:45.50 | lbt | I am going to extend it to 'creating + maintaining a package in extras' |
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| 14:46.22 | lbt | fiferboy: seems reasonable |
| 14:46.28 | X-Fade | lbt: Nice, looks great. |
| 14:46.31 | lbt | but my shopper scrolling is very smooth |
| 14:46.42 | lbt | so it could be Qt not being happy? |
| 14:46.58 | Andrewfblack | what are hardware stats compaired to a N8x0 on the Smartq5? |
| 14:47.20 | GAN800 | Andrewfblack, slightly faster ARM11 |
| 14:47.23 | X-Fade | lbt: Can it query if the package is already known? |
| 14:47.41 | lardman | 667MHz |
| 14:47.44 | crashanddie__ | 667Mhz ARM11 |
| 14:47.45 | fiferboy | lbt: Is it okay if I send you a screenshot of what I am trying to scroll? Maybe you will have an idea |
| 14:47.53 | Andrewfblack | for the price would be cool to get one |
| 14:47.55 | crashanddie__ | Edge/GPRS support |
| 14:47.56 | lbt | X-Fade: yes |
| 14:47.58 | lbt | fiferboy: yes |
| 14:47.59 | lardman | though atm I think it runs at ~550MHz or so |
| 14:48.10 | crashanddie__ | (with USB dongle) |
| 14:48.37 | crashanddie__ | same root file system (256Mb) |
| 14:48.40 | lbt | X-Fade: have you got osc installed? |
| 14:48.53 | X-Fade | lbt: No, I'd have to set that up first. |
| 14:49.03 | lbt | do you have an OBS account? |
| 14:49.12 | Macer | hello |
| 14:49.53 | X-Fade | lbt: Not that either. I guess I'll have to setup 2 of those ;) |
| 14:49.54 | lbt | also X-Fade https://api.opensuse.org/apidocs/ |
| 14:50.00 | lardman | finally, found the section about 3D accel |
| 14:50.09 | lbt | can you read that w/o an account? |
| 14:50.29 | X-Fade | lbt: yep |
| 14:50.33 | lbt | documents all the http xml api calls :) |
| 14:50.41 | lbt | which is what osc does for you |
| 14:51.51 | X-Fade | lbt: Ok, looks pretty nice. Now to find time to create a script that only takes a few params and uploads the local files ;) |
| 14:51.56 | lbt | now most of the time, running something like : osc ls Maemo:Mer:Devel |
| 14:52.02 | lbt | is a *lot* easier |
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| 14:52.36 | crashanddie__ | lardman: 3d accel on the sq5? |
| 14:52.43 | lbt | when you start I'll work through it with you if you like... it's useful just to get pointers to what it _can_ do |
| 14:53.05 | lardman | crashanddie_: yep |
| 14:53.34 | GeneralAntilles | I can't wait for 3D on the RX-51 |
| 14:53.53 | lardman | I just want some new hw to hack on |
| 14:53.56 | lbt | X-Fade: you a perl hacker? |
| 14:54.06 | fiferboy | lbt: I sent you an email. |
| 14:54.11 | lbt | cool |
| 14:54.22 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, don't we all |
| 14:54.29 | X-Fade | lbt: Not really, but reading/editing those should be ok. |
| 14:54.32 | lardman | of course |
| 14:54.35 | lbt | http://pastebin.com/dc246880 |
| 14:54.52 | lbt | most of osc is python ... ^^ is my hacking ;) |
| 14:55.08 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, "Maemo" Extras? :P |
| 14:55.31 | lbt | fiferboy: thanks very much but I don't need to extend anything... |
| 14:55.34 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Yep, I've decided not to care anymore ;) |
| 14:55.39 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 14:55.47 | lbt | hmm that may not have been your email... |
| 14:55.53 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Everything is Maemo from now on :D |
| 14:55.55 | fiferboy | lbt: Well, then get off my mailing list :) |
| 14:55.56 | GeneralAntilles | "Extras" is less than half the letters, though! |
| 14:56.16 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Hmm you've got a point there. |
| 14:56.22 | X-Fade | Think of the time I will save.. |
| 14:56.26 | GeneralAntilles | Ehehe |
| 14:56.36 | GeneralAntilles | Just drop Maemo everywhere |
| 14:56.40 | GeneralAntilles | Call the next one "5" |
| 14:56.46 | crashanddie__ | GeneralAntilles: you done anything interesting with your beagleboard ever since you got it? |
| 14:56.57 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie__, fuck no! |
| 14:57.03 | GeneralAntilles | <- lazy bastard |
| 14:57.17 | crashanddie__ | so why the fuck do you want new hardware? |
| 14:57.48 | X-Fade | lbt: Thanks, that doesn't look half bad ;) |
| 14:57.59 | crashanddie__ | GeneralAntilles applies Reisner's Rule of Conceptual Inertia as a life-objective |
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| 14:58.05 | lbt | gives you an idea... |
| 14:58.12 | crashanddie__ | "If you think big enough, you'll never have to do it." |
| 14:58.21 | X-Fade | lbt: Yeah, I can manage from there probably. |
| 14:58.38 | toggles_w | anyone have a pointer for n810 + maemo-pan + ubuntu 9.04? i can pair the two but cannot seem to get an ip and there doesn't seem to be a 'dummy connection' in the select connection box. tia. |
| 14:58.53 | crashanddie__ | 0x92a2bc29 |
| 14:58.56 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie__, because an RX-51 comes with everything it needs to work. |
| 14:59.02 | crashanddie__ | (copyright xkcd) |
| 14:59.03 | lbt | fiferboy: ducks!!! |
| 14:59.05 | GeneralAntilles | The Beagle Board requires too much extra shit to be convenient. |
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| 14:59.21 | fiferboy | lbt: Theres lots of them here |
| 14:59.25 | irgsomething | hey guys |
| 14:59.30 | Andrewfblack | will never speak bad of wayfinder cracking again, just please stop PMing me hate mail about it lol |
| 14:59.49 | lbt | loons |
| 14:59.53 | GeneralAntilles | Andrewfblack, yarrrr! |
| 15:00.31 | AStorm | crashanddie_, like any rule, taken too far is crippling |
| 15:00.49 | X-Fade | lbt: What should we do with bugowner and maintainer? |
| 15:01.04 | crashanddie__ | kill them |
| 15:01.12 | lbt | ideally they should have an obs account :( |
| 15:01.18 | X-Fade | lbt: Point that to the generic build user if the user is not found? |
| 15:01.27 | lbt | yes |
| 15:01.37 | X-Fade | lbt: We can query if the user has an account, right? |
| 15:01.51 | lbt | not tried that... |
| 15:01.54 | X-Fade | lbt: https://api.opensuse.org/apidocs/#1 says so .. |
| 15:02.14 | lardman | Stskeeps: looks like the JPEG accel is all memory mapped register based, which is why I'm guessing it's used |
| 15:02.27 | lbt | GET /person/<userid> |
| 15:02.40 | X-Fade | yeah, where userid is not really an id ;) |
| 15:02.44 | X-Fade | But username |
| 15:02.58 | lbt | yeah, the docs are light |
| 15:03.03 | lardman | Stskeeps: the 2D accel stuff is similar though, but I read somewhere that no 2D accel was performed; perhaps the hassle of hacking the X-server? |
| 15:03.25 | X-Fade | Well, we know the username at garage. So it can do a lookup. |
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| 15:03.40 | lbt | yes... that's a more complex problem though |
| 15:03.44 | RST38h | moo all |
| 15:03.45 | lbt | there will be collisions |
| 15:03.56 | lbt | we'll need a mapping table |
| 15:04.06 | RST38h | what 2d accel? nobody does 2d accel any more. |
| 15:04.07 | X-Fade | lbt: https://api.opensuse.org/apidocs/user.xml |
| 15:04.13 | X-Fade | The email is in there too |
| 15:04.16 | RST38h | so stupid, really |
| 15:04.31 | lbt | can you query on it though? |
| 15:04.33 | lcuk | no it isnt# |
| 15:04.35 | lardman | RST38h: faie enough |
| 15:04.46 | X-Fade | lbt: No, just search for the username and see if the email matches? |
| 15:04.54 | RST38h | suspects it was "fail enough" =) |
| 15:05.30 | lbt | yes... but a table/mapping is more reliable |
| 15:05.41 | lardman | RST38h: true :) |
| 15:05.58 | X-Fade | lbt: I can just ask for their OBS account name. |
| 15:06.06 | lbt | yep |
| 15:06.14 | lbt | and store in the maemo profile? |
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| 15:06.44 | lardman | cu later |
| 15:06.46 | X-Fade | lbt: Yeah, need to see where I store it. But that should no be a problem. |
| 15:06.57 | lbt | fiferboy: is that OSS ? if so send me the code / git repo:) |
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| 15:07.21 | Macer | i didn't know that reiser pled to 2nd degree murder and showed them where he hid the body |
| 15:07.40 | Macer | so he was guilty as sin huh? :) |
| 15:07.40 | lbt | VFS layer I think |
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| 15:07.52 | fiferboy | lbt: I can send you a tarball if you like |
| 15:07.55 | RST38h | Macer: you have been out of the loop then |
| 15:07.56 | lbt | sure... |
| 15:08.04 | Macer | i guess so |
| 15:08.20 | Macer | i know he was convicted but i didn't know he took a plea and showed the authorities whrere he hid the body |
| 15:08.23 | Macer | wow |
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| 15:08.33 | Macer | what did he do? stab her to death in the car seat then replace the seat? |
| 15:08.42 | fiferboy | It has a scratchbox variable detection in the src.pro file |
| 15:08.49 | RST38h | Macer: it wasn't like he had a choice, after all the evidence |
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| 15:09.01 | RST38h | Macer: who knows? who cares? |
| 15:09.01 | lbt | fiferboy: ugh... I'll fix it up... |
| 15:09.15 | Macer | well.. i just thought it was interesting |
| 15:09.26 | fiferboy | I'll change it to the hildon detect that Antonio has added to the latest version when it is available |
| 15:09.40 | RST38h | The guy is just a crazy geek whose autism made the worst of him |
| 15:10.13 | penguinbait | stop talking about me ;) |
| 15:10.31 | RST38h | Oh, no penguinbait, we all hope you have not got to this stage ye =) |
| 15:10.53 | lbt | wonders how to set his username to orange... |
| 15:10.59 | Macer | abandoned by the open source community after his conviction |
| 15:11.00 | Macer | hahaha |
| 15:11.08 | RST38h | Abandoned by WHOM??? |
| 15:11.11 | penguinbait | like this /nick orange |
| 15:11.20 | penguinbait | heh |
| 15:11.48 | RST38h | likes it when people believe in oxymorons, makes them so much more entertaining to watch |
| 15:11.49 | lbt | fiferboy: I just sent the fremantle Qt to OBS this morning |
| 15:12.11 | fiferboy | I saw that you had cleaned up some scratchbox detections. |
| 15:12.29 | Macer | she was a mail order bride! |
| 15:12.31 | Macer | LOL!! |
| 15:12.43 | Macer | ok.. i'm sorry :) i'll stop now |
| 15:13.02 | lbt | yeah Qt is very clean though.... but the diablo/fremantle split is a bit messy...changelogs don't match etc. |
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| 15:13.13 | RST38h | Macer: but of course! |
| 15:15.56 | lbt | does anyone know the syntax of a debian blah.lintian file in debian/ ? |
| 15:16.08 | fiferboy | Are there any big changes in the fremantle version that you know of? |
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| 15:16.49 | lbt | input changes by the look of it |
| 15:17.15 | lbt | grep OS_FREMANTLE I think (there's a debian.fremantle/patches/ file ) |
| 15:17.48 | fiferboy | Were there any scratchbox-isms in it? |
| 15:18.10 | lbt | 1 sec |
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| 15:18.24 | lbt | no |
| 15:18.41 | fiferboy | That's good news |
| 15:18.44 | lbt | all openGL related and a build-depend on nokia-binaries |
| 15:18.49 | Macer | omfg |
| 15:18.50 | lbt | (which is GL too ) |
| 15:19.00 | fiferboy | Ah, right. I saw that thread too |
| 15:19.08 | Macer | he had 2 books in the murder car about homocide investigation :) what did he have.. murder for dummies? |
| 15:19.33 | Andrewfblack | any final comments or concerns before I PM Reggie to change minimalist over to minimalist 2.0? |
| 15:20.49 | RST38h | Andrew: None of us have seen Minimalist2 yet, haven't we? =) |
| 15:21.19 | RST38h | So, yea, change it by all means and let complaints come as they always do |
| 15:22.36 | Andrewfblack | I've posted some screenshots and I've had a lot of people recommend changes off of it. |
| 15:22.51 | RST38h | Seen the screenshots |
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| 15:27.40 | RST38h | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/05/iphone_temperature_warning.png |
| 15:27.45 | RST38h | oh yesss |
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| 15:28.09 | Stskeeps | RST38h: hah |
| 15:28.29 | RST38h | they say it mostly occurs due to external causes |
| 15:28.35 | Stskeeps | "user on fire" |
| 15:29.04 | lbt | I thought it was "/dev/lp on fire" |
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| 15:43.00 | Gast_680_ | http://www.schwimmbadspiel.de/?refId=99828434 |
| 15:43.01 | RST38h | KILL KILL |
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| 15:43.20 | Gast_680_ | http://www.schwimmbadspiel.de/?refId=99828434 |
| 15:43.22 | Gast_680_ | http://www.schwimmbadspiel.de/?refId=99828434 |
| 15:43.26 | Gast_680_ | http://www.schwimmbadspiel.de/?refId=99828434 |
| 15:43.28 | Gast_680_ | http://www.schwimmbadspiel.de/?refId=99828434 |
| 15:44.07 | fiferboy | Why am I not tempted to visit that URL? |
| 15:44.27 | irgsomething | LOL |
| 15:44.47 | RST38h | you ain't? |
| 15:45.06 | fiferboy | lbt: I sent you the code. Any insight you have would be much appreciated. |
| 15:45.25 | lbt | sure... been keeping an eye out |
| 15:45.46 | lbt | is a big data file included .. or is that personal data? |
| 15:45.58 | fiferboy | It is included |
| 15:46.09 | lbt | ok |
| 15:46.29 | fiferboy | I'm afk for a few hours, but I'll be back this afternoon (EST) |
| 15:46.42 | lbt | got it |
| 15:46.51 | fiferboy | Thanks! |
| 15:46.59 | AStorm | RST38h, like, outside temperature being >= 25Ă°C? ;P |
| 15:48.04 | RST38h | AStorm: more like direct sunlight thing |
| 15:48.15 | AStorm | ah, you say 35Ă°C? :P |
| 15:48.22 | AStorm | still not that hot |
| 15:49.17 | RST38h | AStorm: a black item placed in direct sunlight without wind can get much hotter than that |
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| 15:55.09 | lcuk | RST38h, u frying ants again |
| 15:57.21 | RST38h | no no |
| 15:57.40 | RST38h | has nothing against the animal world and tries never offending it |
| 15:57.56 | RST38h | (humans are obviously not included) |
| 15:58.39 | lcuk | has the volcano in mt doom been extenguished yet? |
| 15:58.48 | lcuk | +spelling ffs |
| 15:58.55 | RST38h | lcuk: Yea, wasn't there last night |
| 15:59.11 | lcuk | did you look around to see if it had moved :| |
| 15:59.22 | RST38h | lcuk: it hasn't, or I would know =) |
| 16:00.03 | RST38h | funny thing is, people living around the spot bought whole boxes of beer to last them through the night of watching the show =) |
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| 16:01.05 | lcuk | fire has that effect |
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| 16:03.21 | RST38h | fire, water, men working |
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| 16:03.35 | lcuk | lol - basically any excuse for a piss up |
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| 16:13.20 | lardman | re |
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| 16:25.23 | Stskeeps | RST38h: our first blurry picture saga of mer.. http://www.jiongtang.com/blog/digital-product/smartq5-english-version-firmware-beta/ |
| 16:25.27 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:27.06 | lardman | Stskeeps: did you happen to grab a ps output on the original firmware with the image view running? |
| 16:27.11 | RST38h | Sts: =) |
| 16:27.29 | lardman | is wondering how the image view accesses the JPEG acceleration, assuming it does |
| 16:27.39 | lardman | is also being ordered to go to the shops. bbiab |
| 16:30.20 | Stskeeps | lardman|afk: no sorry |
| 16:36.00 | oscarx | is away: almorzando |
| 16:37.52 | AStorm | public away is evil! |
| 16:38.14 | AStorm | unpacking mer 0.13testing1, I hope the touchscreen bug is fixed :) |
| 16:38.38 | Stskeeps | yeah |
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| 16:41.02 | RST38h | hasn't done any development of his own stuff for a month or so now =( |
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| 16:42.40 | oscarx | AStorm, sorry, you'r right.. I'm going to disable it.. |
| 16:43.19 | lardman | Stskeeps: no worries |
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| 16:51.02 | lardman | just looking at the screenshots on electroworld.cn, I see a camera icon on the device, it doesn't have one does it? |
| 16:52.14 | Stskeeps | correct |
| 16:52.18 | Stskeeps | no camera |
| 16:53.09 | lardman | I wonder why the icon |
| 16:53.27 | RST38h | coming in q7? |
| 16:53.31 | lardman | perhaps it's actually supposed to look like something else |
| 16:53.41 | pupnik | what screenshot is this lardman ? (hi all) |
| 16:53.45 | lardman | nah, Q7 doesn't look like it has one either |
| 16:53.48 | lcuk | RST38h, octal years |
| 16:53.50 | lardman | http://www.eletroworld.cn/nb/SmartQ_5.htm |
| 16:53.56 | lardman | http://www.eletroworld.cn/nb/SmartQ_7.htm |
| 16:54.39 | RST38h | q11 next then? =) |
| 16:54.48 | lardman | lol yeah, give it a couple of weeks :) |
| 16:55.25 | pupnik | oh yeah smartq |
| 16:55.29 | pupnik | getting one lardman ? |
| 16:55.41 | lardman | yeah, just wondering how to go about it |
| 16:56.01 | lardman | I'd prefer the big screen one I think, but not sure if they are available yet |
| 16:56.04 | pupnik | the 7" what is your reason for buying? |
| 16:56.05 | pupnik | ? |
| 16:56.19 | lardman | hw acceleration hacking, and can use it to watch videos |
| 16:56.24 | lardman | once I hack the hw that is |
| 16:56.39 | pupnik | 7" would be great for older folks at home, imo |
| 16:56.50 | lardman | raises hand :D |
| 16:56.57 | RST38h | would be great for me too |
| 16:58.04 | GAN800 | Something is taking a lot of time to load on Talk at the very end of the rendering. |
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| 16:58.11 | RST38h | css |
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| 16:58.32 | GAN800 | I think it may be js |
| 16:58.53 | GAN800 | The little page number selector at the top appears after the delay. |
| 17:00.07 | andre__ | hmm, looks like the first people come up that don't know the difference between bugtrackers and forums/mailinglists :-/ |
| 17:01.53 | GAN800 | Hmm? |
| 17:04.51 | RST38h | no surprise there |
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| 17:09.13 | andre__ | like 4526. |
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| 17:11.27 | RST38h | "Decapitation seems to be the best solution, but unpredictable regeneration of the brain stem continues to cause difficulties." |
| 17:11.50 | lcuk | sometimes RST38h i think you are a bot |
| 17:12.24 | RST38h | That is because I am. |
| 17:12.55 | lcuk | heh |
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| 17:14.06 | crashanddie__ | Stskeeps: got reseller information for the sq5? |
| 17:15.43 | Stskeeps | crashanddie__: .. well i had a minor problem earlier with some very efficient chinese, but i'm waiting for a list provided the relationship to the company isn't forever destroyed.. |
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| 17:16.47 | lcuk | oh shit Stskeeps, what did you intend to say, and how did it come out? :D |
| 17:17.01 | lcuk | did it involve their parents lol |
| 17:17.23 | RST38h | Sts: so, who efficionalized whom? |
| 17:17.41 | GAN800 | RST38h, got a profiler somewhere that could help see what's taking forever to render? |
| 17:17.52 | RST38h | (and no, when giving something to a random Chinese or Russian guy, you can't hope to keep it confidential, don't expect it) |
| 17:18.23 | RST38h | GAN: On desktop Linux yes, but not on the tablet - OProfile requires a speial kernel afaik |
| 17:18.27 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, I like that I keep seeing it commented as some sort of official Maemo port. :P |
| 17:18.45 | Stskeeps | GAN800: they refer to maemo.org in the posts though |
| 17:19.22 | lcuk | excited that a "big" distro has noticed them :) |
| 17:19.44 | RST38h | GAN: Is desktop ok? |
| 17:19.49 | lcuk | it shows how right your approach is :) |
| 17:21.32 | GAN800 | RST38h, I see the same delay on FF3 on my Mini 9, so, yes |
| 17:21.42 | RST38h | all right, what URL? |
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| 17:22.23 | lcuk | GAN800, is it like the google urchin locking up |
| 17:22.28 | lcuk | or a *shock* virus |
| 17:23.10 | RST38h | will see |
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| 17:26.14 | lcuk | might try typing naked fingered tonight |
| 17:26.44 | GAN800 | RST38h, pick any Talk thread. |
| 17:27.44 | RST38h | ok, will do in a second (have to reboot to Linux) |
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| 17:36.50 | RST38h | GAN: Ok, the total page isze is 226kB |
| 17:37.23 | RST38h | there is 32kB CSS and 114kB JS |
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| 17:38.10 | RST38h | as to what the hell happens on load, I will tell you in a moment after finding and installing JS debug extension |
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| 17:38.26 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I'm thinking the js menus should be replaced by CSS ones. |
| 17:39.42 | RST38h | I would remove both and just have a menu bar with keywords in plain HTML |
| 17:39.50 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, or that. |
| 17:39.51 | RST38h | this css/js stuff is just plain silly |
| 17:40.05 | RST38h | Andrew is actually doing it for Minimalist2 |
| 17:40.13 | GeneralAntilles | I might think about mocking up something for that. |
| 17:40.46 | RST38h | it isn't even worth a mockup - <a ...> | <a ...> |... |
| 17:41.04 | GeneralAntilles | There's way too much stuff for that. |
| 17:41.29 | RST38h | well some of it will have to get hidden, unfortunately |
| 17:41.52 | RST38h | or appear in the second menubar underneath, in smaller font |
| 17:42.06 | RST38h | which of course require a bit of js, but not nearly as much as menu does |
| 17:42.17 | fiferboy | lbt: How's it look? |
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| 17:52.41 | kruq | t minus 8 minutes |
| 17:53.52 | GeneralAntilles | I thought about driving over to the other coast today but I'm just too damn lazy. |
| 17:54.20 | RST38h | No airplanes? |
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| 17:54.57 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, erm, ~$300 a person for 3 people for a day trip to the the spaceport? |
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| 17:55.32 | GeneralAntilles | Plus rental car, since I'm not sure how close you'd actually be able to get. |
| 17:55.34 | RST38h | ah |
| 17:56.55 | RST38h | GAN: Talk does not appear to run any JS on load |
| 17:56.58 | lbt | fiferboy: just hangs when I run it unde x86 |
| 17:57.03 | RST38h | At least profiler does not see any |
| 17:57.25 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, something's still rending stuff after the progress bar is finished. |
| 17:57.44 | fiferboy | lbt: Did you compile in a regular gcc environment |
| 17:57.45 | RST38h | it does send a google analytics request |
| 17:57.50 | lbt | yes |
| 17:57.51 | RST38h | but wait, I have got some js data in |
| 17:58.02 | lbt | qmake |
| 17:58.04 | lbt | make |
| 17:59.03 | RST38h | GAN: Ok, the first spot is taken by anonymous functions inside ga.js :) |
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| 17:59.24 | RST38h | GAN: The second spot is taken by vbmenu_register() |
| 17:59.54 | RST38h | Third spot is taken by vBulletin_init() |
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| 18:02.08 | fiferboy | lbt: Is a ".birdlist" directory created in your home directory? |
| 18:02.17 | lbt | lemme see |
| 18:02.46 | lbt | yes |
| 18:02.52 | lbt | 0 size .db |
| 18:03.42 | fiferboy | Any journal file? |
| 18:03.52 | lbt | not in there |
| 18:03.53 | RST38h | GAN: I think it is vbmenu_register(). The ga.js stuff appears to be something else |
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| 18:04.38 | lbt | QMetaObject::connectSlotsByName: No matching signal for on_sortCheck_toggled(bool) |
| 18:04.42 | GeneralAntilles | Too much haze to see outside. |
| 18:04.42 | fiferboy | Oh, I know why. Try copying the "src/data/tables" directory to "~/.birdlist" |
| 18:04.44 | lbt | QMetaObject::connectSlotsByName: No matching signal for on_sortCombo_currentIndexChanged(int) |
| 18:05.53 | RST38h | GAN: Ok, the data is in. Ready? |
| 18:06.07 | lbt | better |
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| 18:06.15 | fiferboy | That doesn't actually stop it from running. It happens everytime, I have to figure out where that is happening (from an old ui file) |
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| 18:06.29 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, want to CC it to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=286537 |
| 18:06.31 | GeneralAntilles | ? |
| 18:07.19 | RST38h | GAN: Well, I will tell you and you do what you want with it |
| 18:07.43 | RST38h | For a variety of reasons I would like to abstain from that discussion, not my fight |
| 18:07.55 | GeneralAntilles | Bundyo gathered some: http://www.bundyo.org/maemo/maemo_org_profile.png |
| 18:08.11 | GeneralAntilles | Well, I don't think it's a fight. |
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| 18:08.20 | RST38h | GAN: Anyways, the first spot is taken by Google Analytics with 1 call taking 381 units |
| 18:08.53 | RST38h | GAN: The second spot is taken by vbmenu_register() that gets called 16 times on each page load and takes 226 units total for 16 calls |
| 18:09.27 | RST38h | GAN: The third spot is vBulletin_init() with one call per page load, taking 193 units |
| 18:10.01 | RST38h | GAN: The forth spot is Google Analytics AGAIN, with 1 call of 141 units |
| 18:10.22 | RST38h | This is it, the rest is insignificant. You can refer to me when posting this stuff to the thread. |
| 18:10.34 | GeneralAntilles | The menu should be easy to fix. |
| 18:10.51 | GeneralAntilles | As most of those are pretty redundant or can be made redundant. |
| 18:10.53 | lbt | fiferboy: feature request from the wife... ID the bird from the piccy |
| 18:11.39 | fiferboy | I'll gladly take feature requests, but image recognition is going to take me a long time to implement. |
| 18:11.49 | lbt | ;) |
| 18:11.54 | lcuk | fake it then! |
| 18:12.32 | lbt | OK, lets hit armel then... you OK if I push it to public OBS? |
| 18:13.03 | RST38h | GAN: Google Analytics eats a lot though |
| 18:13.36 | fiferboy | lbt: Where does it show up? |
| 18:13.56 | lbt | it's public ... Mer... |
| 18:14.13 | lbt | :Extras:Devel for now |
| 18:14.14 | RST38h | GAN: I am also using Google Analytics on my page, going to profile it for comparison |
| 18:14.27 | lbt | if you'd rather not then that's OK |
| 18:14.41 | fiferboy | I'd prefer to clean it up a bit before it hits any public repos. |
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| 18:15.02 | fiferboy | I can send you a binary if you want to try it out. |
| 18:15.24 | RST38h | GAN: Absolutely no hits from Google Analytics on my page |
| 18:15.46 | lbt | that's OK... I'll try it in my shopper chroot |
| 18:16.02 | GeneralAntilles | I wish my 5800 would ship |
| 18:16.13 | RST38h | GAN: Please notice that I am using urchin.js (old style) but talk uses ga.js (new style?) |
| 18:16.15 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, wonder what's slowing it down on Talk |
| 18:16.18 | GeneralAntilles | Ah |
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| 18:16.20 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm |
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| 18:17.05 | RST38h | GAN: Here is what Google says about the difference: |
| 18:17.06 | Stskeeps | ga.js? ;p |
| 18:17.14 | GeneralAntilles | Be back later. Thanks for investigating, RST38h. I'll see what we can do with Reggie to improve it. |
| 18:17.17 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeepie, MUHAHAHA! |
| 18:17.30 | RST38h | Yes, Sts, our good general is solely responsible for wasting CPU cycles on talk.maemo.org |
| 18:17.42 | Stskeeps | RST38h: yeah.. :P |
| 18:17.43 | RST38h | KILL! BURN! IMPALE! |
| 18:18.15 | RST38h | GAN: "Although your existing urchin.js page tags will continue to work, you may wish to update them to ga.js anyway. This will allow you to take advantage of the most up-to-date tracking functionality as it is added to Google Analytics. An immediate benefit you'll notice is that the ga.js tags allow you to track ecommerce transactions in a more readable way. And, we've created a special resource on the ga.js javascript for power users who want mor |
| 18:18.21 | RST38h | e options" |
| 18:18.44 | RST38h | In other words, my guess is that if Reggie changes 'em back to urchin.js, neither he not anyone else will notice |
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| 18:20.46 | mmatth1 | i'm wondering if anybody knows how to reset the dns cache... i've found misc sites that all mention restarting the nscd daemon. is that what needs to be done on maemo? |
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| 18:21.41 | Stskeeps | i think it's dnsmasq based there |
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| 18:34.50 | mmatth1 | thanks. i tried a dnsmasq restart but no luck. i'm switching from a wlan connection to gprs. the wlan connection resolves the name to its local/internal address. the gprs connection should resolve to an external address... |
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| 18:38.57 | mmatth1 | so when i'm on the wlan connection, i open a socket & connect. read & write. then when i see the gprs switch i shut down the socket and do the gethostbyname to get the ip address. however, i'm getting the internal address which of course i can't connect to |
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| 18:43.39 | fiferboy | lbt: Did you manage to get it built for ARMEL? |
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| 18:51.26 | cyrus_mc | I have an N810, and when I connect to my computer only the external memory card is availble, not the internal. |
| 18:51.51 | locutus | can be because files on the internal card are locked |
| 18:52.10 | locutus | if thats the case, the kernel cant unmount the internal mmc, and thus not export it as a USB MSD |
| 18:52.22 | locutus | you can see if this is so by using lsof in a terminal |
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| 19:04.07 | lardman | cyrus_mc: make sure you don't have a file open on the internal card, or the xterm or the filemanager, etc |
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| 19:19.48 | yerga | interesting: http://ofono.org/ |
| 19:25.40 | lbt | fiferboy: not yet |
| 19:26.00 | lbt | found something shiny |
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| 19:33.08 | lcuk | interesting mail from the dev ml :) |
| 19:33.11 | lcuk | http://ofono.org/ |
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| 19:33.31 | lcuk | "Intel and Nokia are pleased to jointly announce the oFono project |
| 19:33.31 | lcuk | (http://ofono.org), an open source project for developing an open source |
| 19:33.31 | lcuk | telephony solution." |
| 19:34.15 | RST38h | hmm |
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| 19:35.28 | RST38h | This is most likely ia32 based though |
| 19:37.08 | keesj | are there ia32 based phones out there? |
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| 19:38.33 | suihkulokki | keesj: nokia 9000i |
| 19:38.34 | RST38h | NO |
| 19:38.47 | RST38h | suihkulokki: no way?!? |
| 19:39.27 | suihkulokki | RST38h: at 24MHz 386 |
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| 19:45.07 | keesj | event then , it uses dbus and such so it's more about linux based system then the instruction set used |
| 19:45.50 | RST38h | suihkulokki: please, please, please tell me it ran MSDOS =) |
| 19:47.51 | RST38h | "But being linked wirelessly to a massive library of legal downloads, bestselling books, magazines and newspapers, is what will make a reader great. For now, the only mainstream reader that can claim such a feature is the Kindle, and the only country that can claim the Kindle is the US." |
| 19:47.52 | suihkulokki | RST38h: it ran GEOS on top DOS |
| 19:48.09 | RST38h | suih: even better! geos was running on top of msdos anyway |
| 19:48.39 | suihkulokki | some info in fi_FI http://servut.us/mk/dos9kfi/ |
| 19:49.10 | RST38h | poor non-americans not having access to massive library of legal downloads.... |
| 19:49.39 | RST38h | feels so sorry for them! |
| 19:49.39 | suihkulokki | some people put even linux on it, but they had to use asmutils since busybox was too big :) |
| 19:49.39 | derf | Suckers! |
| 19:49.43 | RST38h | derf: who? =) |
| 19:49.48 | derf | RST38h: The non-Americans. |
| 19:50.02 | RST38h | derf: sure ot os not the vice versa? |
| 19:50.19 | derf | Well, I am sure I don't have a Kindle. |
| 19:51.35 | RST38h | derf: that is unamerican. |
| 19:51.59 | derf | Oh. I guess I'll go move, then. |
| 19:52.16 | RST38h | too late you are already unamerican. |
| 19:52.20 | derf | Maybe New Zealand. It's cheap down there. |
| 19:52.40 | RST38h | derf: 50% of skin cancer over the average lifespan |
| 19:52.57 | RST38h | that is probability, not the percentage of your skin affected =) |
| 19:53.02 | derf | RST38h: Only if you go outside! |
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| 19:53.40 | derf | I also don't except the cheapness to last. |
| 19:53.51 | derf | They've just done a better job of devaluing their currency than most. |
| 19:55.11 | derf | But, ceteris paribus, I consider myself pretty lucky to have been born American. There's lots worse places to have wound up in this world. |
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| 19:55.35 | RST38h | Definitely true |
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| 19:57.04 | RST38h | Although the restriction of your behavioral choices to making money and buying stuff is somewhat frightening |
| 19:57.20 | derf | I don't buy much stuff. |
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| 19:58.14 | RST38h | derf: We have already determined that you are unamerican =) |
| 19:58.26 | derf | I don't deny it. |
| 19:59.02 | derf | I don't watch TV, either. |
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| 20:00.17 | RST38h | usually limits himself to History Channel when in US |
| 20:00.48 | RST38h | Most other channels cause involuntary "what the fuck?" response |
| 20:01.01 | derf | Most of the Discovery Channel-related offerings are decent. |
| 20:01.08 | derf | God forbid you ever watch network news. |
| 20:01.38 | GeneralAntilles | History Channel is usually worse than Discovery. |
| 20:02.28 | timeless_mbp | shrugs |
| 20:02.32 | timeless_mbp | buying stuff is fun |
| 20:02.43 | timeless_mbp | i might have spent 2000USD for the past week or so |
| 20:03.15 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 20:03.30 | Stskeeps | well eur > usd these days isn't it? |
| 20:03.32 | timeless_mbp | has been for ages |
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| 20:03.45 | timeless_mbp | and since it's really EURs that i'm losing, it's not bad |
| 20:04.32 | RST38h | GAN: That probably depends on personal preferences but I agree that both HC and Discovery stuff are watchable |
| 20:05.35 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, History Channel gets a little Hitler insane. |
| 20:05.56 | Stskeeps | ww2 coverage constantly? :P |
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| 20:06.22 | derf | GA: Wikipedia tells me that's changed since they started a separate Military History Channel. |
| 20:06.33 | RST38h | GAN: I am suuuure it is seasonal :) |
| 20:07.12 | xnt[at_school] | is back from school |
| 20:07.45 | RST38h | Speaking of the above: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anophthalmus_hitleri |
| 20:08.02 | lizardo | fremantle autobuilder has gone crazy :( |
| 20:08.03 | RST38h | Species specifically endangered by the nazi wannabes |
| 20:08.18 | RST38h | lizardo: Catch X-Fade and interrogate! |
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| 20:08.30 | qgi1 | jeremiah_: ping? |
| 20:08.41 | lizardo | [extras-builds] [fremantle]: unknown unknown UNKNOWN ... [2009-05-11 23:05:07] No .dsc files found in '/var/www/extras-devel/incoming-builder/diablo' ??? |
| 20:09.06 | qgi1 | ah lizardo, this is related to a question I had for jeremiah_ :) |
| 20:09.21 | lizardo | qgi1: no problem hehe |
| 20:09.25 | qgi1 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints/May_09 says |
| 20:09.53 | qgi1 | Run a test build of all Diablo Extras packages on Fremantle . Could . Jeremiah |
| 20:10.05 | qgi1 | "The fact that developers are porting packages themselves somewhat obviates the need to me to do a lot of this. " |
| 20:10.29 | qgi1 | I'll ask in the list or something but... wouldn't this be the other way around? |
| 20:10.35 | lizardo | qgi1: at least for PyMaemo packages that's true |
| 20:10.46 | fiferboy | lbt: Got to go now. Email me if you have any questions about the code |
| 20:10.52 | qgi1 | developers have to port themselves because there is no automatic move from Diablo? |
| 20:10.52 | lizardo | qgi1: pretty much all packages were uploaded already to fremantle |
| 20:10.54 | lbt | k |
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| 20:11.01 | qgi1 | really? wow |
| 20:11.02 | fiferboy | Thanks! |
| 20:11.14 | lizardo | qgi1: pymaemo packages I mean :) |
| 20:11.27 | qgi1 | ahm :) |
| 20:12.10 | lcuk | gets qgil a towel to mop up the coke he splurted out |
| 20:12.17 | qgi1 | "Reducing number of external repositories - contact outstanding owners" appears as "should", which looks more like a Could compared to the other task |
| 20:13.12 | qgi1 | same for http://wiki.maemo.org/ITP - appears as should. anyway I better tell thise where he can readi it ;) |
| 20:15.08 | |R | Is Fremantle using core utils or busybox still? :) |
| 20:15.26 | Stskeeps | i think busybox, but i actually didn't check |
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| 20:34.01 | mmatth1 | Stkskeeps - actually /etc/init.d/dnsmasq restart" is working for me... but only if i type it into the command-line myself. if i try to call system("/etc/init.d/dnsmasq restart") then it doesn't seem to work. any hints? |
| 20:34.34 | Stskeeps | youĂ're running as a user vs root |
| 20:34.35 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:34.44 | mmatth1 | (to clarify, in the former case i'm running my daemon and open a terminal & type the command myself. in the other case, i'm making the "system" call from my daemon) |
| 20:34.46 | mmatth1 | as a user |
| 20:35.02 | Stskeeps | yes, but you did it as root otherwise :) |
| 20:35.56 | mmatth1 | right, daemon is running as a user. from the terminal i was root |
| 20:36.04 | Stskeeps | that's why :) |
| 20:36.11 | mmatth1 | :( |
| 20:36.13 | mmatth1 | thanks |
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| 20:53.55 | Stskeeps | evening rkirti |
| 20:54.26 | rkirti | Stskeeps : evening :) |
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| 21:01.35 | mmatth1 | if the user (or an application) changes the icd connection, should icd (?? or someone, not sure about all the layers) tell dnsmasq to restart? |
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| 21:10.28 | rm_you | hrmrm |
| 21:10.37 | rm_you | So, who from Nokia is coming to Denmark? |
| 21:11.10 | GeneralAntilles | Lots |
| 21:12.13 | mikkov_ | there was a list somewhere |
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| 21:13.20 | rm_you | I need to convince one of them to bring me a phone :P |
| 21:13.31 | rm_you | I'll pay them for it, of course :) |
| 21:14.49 | rm_you | Is the N97 released in Europe? |
| 21:15.01 | mikkov_ | no |
| 21:16.00 | rm_you | damn, yeah, looks like July >_> |
| 21:16.16 | rm_you | I want one... so much... and my phone is basically dead... |
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| 21:19.32 | lardman | rm_you: lol |
| 21:19.42 | lardman | good luck though :) |
| 21:19.46 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: you going? |
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| 21:34.39 | lardman | Stskeeps: do you have kernel code somewhere too? |
| 21:34.53 | lardman | or a link to the download site even? |
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| 21:43.41 | lardman | hmm, I wonder if that prism stuff is the firmware in the form of a table of binary data...? |
| 21:43.48 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, Copenhagen? No. |
| 21:44.05 | lardman | and the next summit....? Go on! :) |
| 21:44.16 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, shoulda pre-ordered from nokiausa.com when it what $484 |
| 21:44.26 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, an EU handset wont have a US warranty |
| 21:44.32 | GeneralAntilles | Coming out same time in US, anyway. |
| 21:46.23 | rm_you | ah |
| 21:46.27 | rm_you | damn it was HOW CHEAP? |
| 21:46.31 | rm_you | >_< |
| 21:46.31 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 21:46.32 | rm_you | blah |
| 21:46.35 | GeneralAntilles | %35 off |
| 21:46.41 | GeneralAntilles | I got a 5800 for about $250 |
| 21:46.45 | rm_you | i wish i had known |
| 21:47.05 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 21:47.08 | rm_you | I wantses one >_< |
| 21:47.14 | GeneralAntilles | Sorry, want me to call you for the next one? :P |
| 21:47.17 | rm_you | I will have the money... |
| 21:47.22 | rm_you | so whatever |
| 21:47.49 | GeneralAntilles | Honestly, I'd wait for a Maemo phone before spending $500+ on a Symbian device. |
| 21:47.50 | rm_you | still, would be great to get a nokian to grab me one and bring it :P wouldn't they get an employee discount or something? lol |
| 21:48.00 | rm_you | yeah well that'll be WHEN exactly? |
| 21:48.06 | rm_you | my phone is broken NOW. >_< |
| 21:48.07 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno, maybe RX-71 |
| 21:48.23 | GeneralAntilles | Get an E71, 5800, or something in the mean time. |
| 21:48.24 | rm_you | like, majorly bizznorken |
| 21:48.28 | rm_you | hrm |
| 21:48.30 | rm_you | i suppose |
| 21:48.31 | GeneralAntilles | E55, even |
| 21:49.06 | GeneralAntilles | Be cool and join the 5800 club with me. :P |
| 21:49.40 | rm_you | lol so spend $359 for a TEMPORARY phone? >_> |
| 21:49.48 | rm_you | T_T |
| 21:49.53 | GeneralAntilles | Wait for a discount |
| 21:49.58 | GeneralAntilles | Amazon has it for $300 sometimes |
| 21:50.02 | GeneralAntilles | Dell had it for $200 |
| 21:50.48 | rm_you | hrm |
| 21:51.27 | GeneralAntilles | N97 isn't worth it next to an RX-51, really. |
| 21:52.06 | GeneralAntilles | Anyway, rm_you, I had this problem myself |
| 21:52.15 | GeneralAntilles | I'm glad I didn't bother with a really expensive S60 phone |
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| 21:52.19 | rm_you | hrmrm |
| 21:52.30 | rm_you | rmrmrm |
| 21:52.40 | GeneralAntilles | Just wait. :P |
| 21:52.42 | rm_you | if i buy through tmobile it'll work in the meantime i suppose |
| 21:52.44 | GeneralAntilles | S60 sucks anyway |
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| 21:54.34 | rm_you | looking at the 3555 |
| 21:54.44 | rm_you | only phone tmobile sells that supports 3G |
| 21:54.51 | rm_you | so i could use it with my n800 ^_^ |
| 21:55.55 | rm_you | and it's free with contract, which matters little as i'll be with tmobile for like, forever anyway |
| 22:04.42 | pupnik_ | you know the more real life you have, the less irc you do |
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| 22:05.23 | pupnik_ | you know the more real life you have, the less irc you do |
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| 22:18.54 | AFBN810 | Hello |
| 22:23.38 | GuySoft | andre__, hey, i sent you the coredump |
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| 22:41.13 | shapr | Does anyone know which OMAP3 chip the next tablet will have? |
| 22:42.55 | wjt | shapr: what're you plotting? |
| 22:43.12 | shapr | Er, nothing really... |
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| 22:44.08 | shapr | Just trying to figure out what sort of graphics hardware and DSPs will be in the next tablet. |
| 22:44.12 | wjt | shapr: wondered if you had sinister monadic plans :) |
| 22:44.39 | shapr | Well, sort of... |
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| 22:45.06 | shapr | I was just investigating ARM cores, since I own two, and I wanted to see what the next tablet would offer. |
| 22:45.16 | shapr | I am trying to build GHC for my N800 and BUG though. |
| 22:45.24 | lardman | 3430 iirc |
| 22:45.28 | shapr | thanks |
| 22:45.38 | lardman | look for 3530 for the docs though |
| 22:45.54 | lardman | spruf98b.pdf would be a good start |
| 22:45.59 | GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, OMAP3430 |
| 22:46.28 | shapr | Ok, so that makes it a 600MHz core, with PowerVR SGX 530 and the C64x+ DSP ISP |
| 22:46.39 | lardman | sounds about right |
| 22:48.11 | shapr | So now I just have to figure out if ARM11 binaries will run on the Cortex-A8 |
| 22:48.49 | lardman | yes they will |
| 22:49.07 | lardman | always backwards compatible |
| 22:49.19 | shapr | spiffy |
| 22:49.22 | lardman | though you may have issues with the version of GCC/libc/etc |
| 22:49.36 | shapr | Yeah, I was wondering about that. |
| 22:49.40 | lardman | what are you looking to run? |
| 22:51.44 | shapr | I was just wondering if I could build binaries that would work on N800/BUG/whatever is nokia's next. |
| 22:51.59 | lardman | Anyone got performance figures handy for the PowerVR chips in the omap2420 & 3x30? |
| 22:52.03 | GeneralAntilles | API is the issue, not ABI |
| 22:52.14 | lardman | gcc3 vs 4? |
| 22:52.30 | lardman | no name mangling differences? |
| 22:54.48 | LiraNuna | <lardman> Anyone got performance figures handy for the PowerVR chips in the omap2420 & 3x30? |
| 22:54.53 | LiraNuna | there are but not in details |
| 22:54.58 | LiraNuna | at least for the 2440 |
| 22:55.00 | LiraNuna | 2420* |
| 22:55.54 | LiraNuna | lardman, http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6023095418.html // does this help? |
| 22:55.56 | lardman | I was looking to compare with the Samsung 6410 which reckons 4M triangles/s (transform only) and 75.8M pix/s fill rate (shaded pixels) |
| 22:56.31 | lardman | cool thanks, that was the page I was thinking of |
| 22:57.08 | lardman | so basically the Samsung chip is about twice as fast |
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| 23:05.40 | xnt14 | ~seen Stskeeps |
| 23:05.43 | infobot | stskeeps is currently on #maemo (10h 21m 25s). Has said a total of 40 messages. Is idling for 2h 11m 48s, last said: 'evening rkirti'. |
| 23:05.51 | xnt14 | oh 2h :P |
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| 23:06.10 | xnt14 | Stskeeps: you there? |
| 23:06.14 | xnt14 | which one xD |
| 23:06.45 | xnt14 | StsN800, Stskeeps, or Stskeepsie? |
| 23:07.00 | xnt14 | *ie |
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| 23:11.46 | lardman | well as exciting as it is sitting here reading about the wonders of the omap3X30 chips (and it is actually quite exciting), I think I should go to bed |
| 23:11.55 | lardman | night all |
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