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| 00:04.19 | crashanddie | is there no policy to remove such projects from maemo.org? |
| 00:05.05 | ShadowJK | too late now :) |
| 00:05.30 | crashanddie | really? |
| 00:05.45 | crashanddie | Because the way I see it, 80k downloads at 20meg a pop is going to be quite costly in bandwidth |
| 00:06.14 | ShadowJK | yes well, if nokia puts it somewhere else it's still nokia's bandwidth bill... |
| 00:06.33 | crashanddie | doesn't matter |
| 00:06.33 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, eh, Nokia's footing the bills. |
| 00:06.41 | crashanddie | each project has its own budget |
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| 00:07.06 | GeneralAntilles | has IKEA shellshock |
| 00:07.24 | lcuk | heh gan why |
| 00:07.24 | ShadowJK | you think maemo and opensource are in different "projects"? :-) |
| 00:07.41 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, spent a couple hours wandering around a giant one today. |
| 00:07.45 | crashanddie | you really think the ministry of defence can just use up $20 million from the health ministry's budget and go "well, it's the US paying anyway" |
| 00:08.06 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, they are all giant ones, the missus has one rule when we go - if you can carry if, you can have it |
| 00:08.06 | crashanddie | ShadowJK, yes, I do, and I know. |
| 00:08.14 | lcuk | i've seen her like a frikkin packhorse tho |
| 00:09.01 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, one might look at it as giving tekojo more ammo to get a bigger server budget, too. ;) |
| 00:09.20 | GeneralAntilles | But, whatever, S60 stuff really doesn't belong on Garage. |
| 00:09.29 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, biggest in the southeast US, I think. |
| 00:10.19 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, and one might look at it and go "fuck me, that maemo project really is expensive, let them pay for their own webserver, we don't have to host their stupid pet projects, kill the garage" |
| 00:12.15 | crashanddie | actually, just to prove a point, I'm going to download the whole garage website right now. |
| 00:13.18 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
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| 00:41.57 | Bobbe | is the extras repo working? |
| 00:42.24 | Bobbe | app manager updates it and says it's ok, but apt-get install nano says no such package |
| 00:42.45 | Bobbe | and I don't see it in apt-get update, tho it's in the repo's list in the app manager |
| 00:43.22 | luke-jr | nano works fine in Gentoo <.< |
| 00:44.37 | Bobbe | never tried gentoo ;). is the takes-two-days-to-install thing true? |
| 00:45.54 | Macer | hm |
| 00:45.58 | Macer | downloading the android src |
| 00:46.03 | Macer | just to get my bt keyboard to work on it |
| 00:46.04 | Macer | wtf :) |
| 00:47.40 | luke-jr | Bobbe: depends on how you install it |
| 00:47.58 | luke-jr | Bobbe: if yuo want the full KDE 4.2 from source, it'll take at least 2 days on a N810 |
| 00:48.19 | ShadowJK | apt-cache search nano |
| 00:48.20 | ShadowJK | ? |
| 00:51.18 | Bobbe | just a sec ShadowJK |
| 00:51.36 | Bobbe | luke-jr, ur running gentoo on a n800? |
| 00:51.46 | ShadowJK | and also what version OS do you have installed? Control panel -> About product |
| 00:51.58 | Bobbe | Diablo 43-7 |
| 00:52.04 | ShadowJK | hm |
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| 00:52.09 | luke-jr | Bobbe: yeah |
| 00:52.23 | Bobbe | cool ;) |
| 00:52.25 | Bobbe | videos? |
| 00:52.52 | ShadowJK | maybe it's in the sdk repo :/ |
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| 01:01.39 | Bobbe | the bizarre thing is that I don't see anything about maemo.repository.org/extras in apt-get update |
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| 01:02.46 | Bobbe | what's the file with the repos? The one I can edit manually? Something .list, I guess, don't remember |
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| 01:08.34 | GAN8001 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.38 | GAN8001 | s/'/./ |
| 01:10.17 | luke-jr | Bobbe: videos of what? |
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| 01:11.12 | Bobbe | gentoo on the n800 |
| 01:11.38 | luke-jr | Bobbe: why? it's just like Gentoo on anything else |
| 01:11.59 | Bobbe | does the keyboard work? |
| 01:12.20 | luke-jr | to some large degree |
| 01:12.35 | Bobbe | lol |
| 01:14.13 | luke-jr | wait |
| 01:14.15 | luke-jr | n800 |
| 01:14.18 | luke-jr | you don't *have* a keyboard |
| 01:17.39 | Bobbe | lol |
| 01:17.56 | crashanddie | that's a fairly bold statement :) |
| 01:19.27 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, it's getting rather late here in London, and I can't remember what about, but there is something I need to talk to you about |
| 01:20.04 | crashanddie | and my prose is starting to make as much sense as a french cancan |
| 01:20.58 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, so give me a shout when you're up and about tomorrow, hopefully my old brain will have recovered |
| 01:21.03 | crashanddie | take care gents, have a good one |
| 01:22.25 | GAN8001 | crashanddie, later. |
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| 01:43.27 | Macer | hm. i downloaded win7 |
| 01:43.31 | Macer | anybody here try it? |
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| 01:55.20 | fireun | sinner |
| 01:57.14 | lopz | bye |
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| 02:14.53 | Bobbe | lol |
| 02:14.56 | Bobbe | I did Macer |
| 02:15.01 | Bobbe | pretty decent, compared to vista |
| 02:15.11 | Bobbe | (which is not saying much, really) |
| 02:36.02 | xnt14 | Macer: yup tried it, its better than vista but it doesn't beat linux |
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| 03:09.45 | mamura | i can't install wizard-mount in my N800. someone help me ? |
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| 03:16.58 | mamura | e em português, será que alguém pode me ajudar ??? |
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| 04:49.15 | l7 | hmm, anyone around? |
| 04:49.55 | b-man | |
| 04:50.16 | xnt14 | xd |
| 04:50.24 | b-man | lol |
| 04:50.57 | xnt14 | |
| 04:51.00 | xnt14 | xD |
| 04:51.06 | xnt14 | l7 Yup |
| 04:51.07 | b-man | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:51.13 | xnt14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:51.20 | b-man | XD |
| 04:51.25 | xnt14 | XD |
| 04:51.30 | xnt14 | |
| 04:51.49 | luke-jr | wtf |
| 04:51.56 | b-man | OMHLOLROFL |
| 04:51.58 | luke-jr | Yandere, you two monkeys |
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| 04:52.16 | xnt14 | luke-jr: were working on a project :P |
| 04:52.24 | luke-jr | bs flooding? |
| 04:52.35 | luke-jr | eitehr way, it's a bad excuse |
| 04:52.49 | xnt14 | no in a private message xD |
| 04:53.05 | b-man | *window |
| 04:53.07 | xnt14 | b-man just posted randomly i guess |
| 04:53.12 | xnt14 | xD |
| 04:53.17 | b-man | XD |
| 04:53.31 | l7 | cool, it felt too quiet |
| 04:53.55 | xnt14 | btw luke-jr what do you suggest as a codename for a project? |
| 04:54.06 | luke-jr | Pizzaz |
| 04:54.12 | xnt14 | :P xd |
| 04:54.20 | xnt14 | b-man what do you think? |
| 04:54.37 | b-man | XP |
| 04:54.42 | b-man | mm |
| 04:54.59 | luke-jr | NOT XP |
| 04:55.18 | b-man | lol |
| 04:55.20 | xnt14 | :P |
| 04:55.22 | xnt14 | rofl |
| 05:00.32 | samueldr | I've got a name for a project that will guarantee that it will not fail |
| 05:00.51 | b-man | ok |
| 05:01.00 | xnt14 | what? |
| 05:01.01 | luke-jr | Foobar |
| 05:01.03 | xnt14 | is it? |
| 05:01.06 | xnt14 | xD |
| 05:01.14 | b-man | lolololololol |
| 05:01.18 | luke-jr | "Test" |
| 05:01.29 | b-man | ^ lol |
| 05:01.30 | xnt14 | I really loled after that |
| 05:01.30 | luke-jr | "Prototype" |
| 05:01.40 | xnt14 | again \/ |
| 05:01.42 | xnt14 | brb |
| 05:01.56 | b-man | ^ \o/ ^ |
| 05:03.27 | luke-jr | ok ok |
| 05:03.29 | luke-jr | for real |
| 05:03.32 | luke-jr | "FinishMeOrDie" |
| 05:03.44 | b-man | XD |
| 05:06.48 | xnt14 | Ok I have to go to sleep |
| 05:08.34 | penguinbait | WAKE UP |
| 05:08.37 | b-man | lol |
| 05:08.41 | penguinbait | as you were :) |
| 05:09.17 | b-man | is bored |
| 05:09.20 | b-man | >>>RANDOM>(-^-)<RANDOM<<< |
| 05:09.21 | b-man | lol |
| 05:09.37 | penguinbait | ( . ) ( . ) |
| 05:09.40 | penguinbait | lol |
| 05:10.26 | kfx | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:10.26 | kfx | | |_ __ ___ __ _ ___ |
| 05:10.26 | kfx | | | '_ ` _ \ / _` |/ _ \ |
| 05:10.26 | kfx | | | | | | | | (_| | (_) | |
| 05:10.26 | kfx | |_|_| |_| |_|\__,_|\___/ |
| 05:10.31 | b-man | <(o.o)><(o.o<) |
| 05:10.36 | b-man | lol |
| 05:11.11 | b-man | (Î_Î) |
| 05:11.16 | penguinbait | LAEMO ? |
| 05:11.28 | penguinbait | :) |
| 05:11.37 | b-man | (Ω_Ω) lol |
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| 05:12.25 | b-man | (â¢)_(â¢) |
| 05:12.39 | penguinbait | nice :) |
| 05:12.41 | penguinbait | heh |
| 05:12.43 | b-man | ROFL |
| 05:12.59 | penguinbait | 5 beers :) |
| 05:13.24 | b-man | doesn't drink beer - he's 16 |
| 05:13.31 | penguinbait | I used to be able to drink 12 beers and 12 shots before making boobs on IRC :) |
| 05:13.38 | b-man | lol |
| 05:14.04 | penguinbait | wher r u ? |
| 05:14.25 | b-man | Bowling Green, Ohio |
| 05:14.36 | penguinbait | so its 1:14 here too |
| 05:14.39 | penguinbait | so its 1:14 there too |
| 05:14.53 | b-man | about 136 miles from you lol |
| 05:14.55 | b-man | yup |
| 05:15.11 | penguinbait | I just sent my 16 year old to bed |
| 05:15.26 | penguinbait | he is probably on IRC on his Itouch |
| 05:15.33 | penguinbait | Jacob ? |
| 05:15.35 | penguinbait | hehe |
| 05:15.44 | b-man | listening in lol |
| 05:16.20 | b-man | is he ever on here? |
| 05:16.28 | penguinbait | nope |
| 05:16.48 | penguinbait | he is busy looking at lesbian porn, play halo, call of duty |
| 05:16.57 | penguinbait | little shit |
| 05:16.59 | fireun | all at the same time! |
| 05:17.00 | b-man | lol |
| 05:17.36 | penguinbait | I know your 16, but your gonna go blind :) |
| 05:17.37 | RST38h | all of this on his iPhone? |
| 05:17.51 | b-man | nah lol |
| 05:17.53 | penguinbait | he has laptop, itouch, xbox |
| 05:17.57 | RST38h | and frigid too |
| 05:18.44 | b-man | allrety (sometimes) wares glasses |
| 05:18.53 | RST38h | Now, gentlemen, who wanted the pictures of our local Mount Doom? |
| 05:19.27 | b-man | turns down his loud music |
| 05:20.31 | RST38h | Here, enjoy: http://top.rbc.ru/photoreport/10/05/2009/301274.shtml |
| 05:21.11 | RST38h | 200m flame, etc. |
| 05:22.13 | b-man | saw that earlier |
| 05:23.49 | penguinbait | what is this? I can't read Consonants? |
| 05:25.09 | RST38h | gas pipeline explosion |
| 05:25.35 | penguinbait | where? |
| 05:25.47 | RST38h | Southwest of Moscow |
| 05:26.25 | penguinbait | accident, terror, unknown? |
| 05:26.36 | RST38h | Nobody knows yet but probably an accident |
| 05:28.37 | penguinbait | middle of nowhere, or populated, people hurt? |
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| 06:01.35 | Shadow__X | how do i edit bash on os2008 to be more like the bash on a current linux dist |
| 06:02.55 | Shadow__X | the most notable thing would be displaying current user@n810:~$pwd |
| 06:03.40 | GAN8001 | Impeachment. That's really some classy shit. . . . |
| 06:03.59 | LiraNuna | anyone knows what javascript engine does Tear use? |
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| 06:08.01 | RST38h | Who gets impeached this time? |
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| 06:08.25 | RST38h | Shadow: OS2008 has busybox, not bash |
| 06:08.45 | RST38h | Shadow: You can install real bash separately, although AFAIK there are several problems with that |
| 06:09.01 | Shadow__X | hmm i installed bash3 what issues are there |
| 06:09.32 | RST38h | Check ITT - there were a few discussions about it. I am not using bash, so can't comment in detail |
| 06:10.37 | RST38h | Ah, I see it, impeachment. |
| 06:11.11 | Shadow__X | also where can i find gcc and make |
| 06:11.17 | Shadow__X | also gnu readline library |
| 06:11.25 | RST38h | good question, let's see... |
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| 06:11.39 | RST38h | I would start by checking Extras-Devel |
| 06:12.15 | Shadow__X | hmm i kinda recal that one being dangerous to mounted shares while using apt-get upgrade |
| 06:15.05 | RST38h | but you won't be using upgrade |
| 06:15.16 | RST38h | never upgrade with devel enabled |
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| 06:15.44 | Shadow__X | yeah so i have learned |
| 06:15.45 | Shadow__X | :( |
| 06:15.54 | Shadow__X | also dont mount a share unless you need to |
| 06:17.00 | RST38h | I do not see how that would be affected |
| 06:17.23 | Shadow__X | well if a package on devel says to remove remote share |
| 06:17.31 | Shadow__X | it deletes it |
| 06:17.41 | Shadow__X | it deleted a TB of stuff |
| 06:17.53 | RST38h | Why would a good behaved package say that? |
| 06:18.06 | Shadow__X | because it was a bad mean one |
| 06:18.14 | Shadow__X | hiding as a nice one |
| 06:18.43 | RST38h | Shadow: Bring it up with X-Fade, he must know |
| 06:22.29 | Shadow__X | also os2008 is called diablo correct? |
| 06:22.59 | RST38h | yes |
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| 06:24.36 | LiraNuna | <Shadow__X> also where can i find gcc and make // on the tablet? |
| 06:25.06 | Shadow__X | yes |
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| 06:28.23 | Shadow__X | LiraNuna, yes |
| 06:33.02 | LiraNuna | .. and my wife took my tablet |
| 06:34.45 | Shadow__X | is that the only place make is located |
| 06:34.47 | Shadow__X | :) |
| 06:36.16 | LiraNuna | Shadow__X, are you trying to build something on the tablet itself? |
| 06:36.21 | Shadow__X | yes |
| 06:36.27 | LiraNuna | why not try to cross compile? |
| 06:36.43 | Shadow__X | ok sure how do i do that |
| 06:36.53 | LiraNuna | on your computer: |
| 06:37.04 | Shadow__X | no how do i compile for arm |
| 06:37.19 | LiraNuna | ./configure --build=arm-linux-gnueabi |
| 06:37.56 | LiraNuna | you need to have arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc in your path |
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| 06:38.13 | Shadow__X | what path |
| 06:38.19 | LiraNuna | $PATH |
| 06:38.28 | LiraNuna | you are on a linux host, right? |
| 06:38.30 | Shadow__X | ah ok so export it to that |
| 06:38.31 | Shadow__X | yes |
| 06:38.49 | LiraNuna | export PATH=$PATH:/path/to/maemo/sdk/gcc |
| 06:38.53 | LiraNuna | I think |
| 06:39.01 | LiraNuna | I'm on 64bit and don't have maemo sdk set up yet |
| 06:39.09 | Shadow__X | i dont have maemo sdk either |
| 06:39.14 | LiraNuna | needs to compile gcc for arm-linux-gnueabi |
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| 06:39.25 | LiraNuna | do you have arm-linux-gnueabi binutils and gcc? |
| 06:39.34 | Shadow__X | no |
| 06:39.57 | LiraNuna | I seriously need to setup a guide for that |
| 06:40.33 | Shadow__X | hmm |
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| 06:40.53 | Shadow__X | so what does that mean for me then |
| 06:43.15 | LiraNuna | you got two choices |
| 06:43.19 | LiraNuna | well, three |
| 06:43.27 | LiraNuna | 1) get the maemo sdk and use that as a cross compiler |
| 06:43.42 | LiraNuna | 2) compile binutils and gcc for target arm-linux-gnueabi |
| 06:44.00 | LiraNuna | 3) see if make/binutils/gcc are available for maemo |
| 06:44.15 | Shadow__X | whats the best one |
| 06:44.42 | Shadow__X | i just wanted to see microdc on my tablet as a proof that its plausible |
| 06:44.54 | LiraNuna | microdc? |
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| 06:45.31 | Shadow__X | http://www.nongnu.org/microdc/ |
| 06:46.08 | LiraNuna | is that a pure command line tool? |
| 06:46.18 | Shadow__X | yes |
| 06:46.36 | LiraNuna | it's highly likely to work then |
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| 06:47.50 | Shadow__X | ok well make binutils and gcc for the tablet using redpill mode |
| 06:47.57 | Shadow__X | but i also dont want to break my system |
| 06:48.18 | LiraNuna | I don't think installing binutils/gcc will break your tablet in any way |
| 06:48.27 | LiraNuna | it will just take a massive amount of time |
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| 06:48.30 | Shadow__X | hmm right |
| 06:48.41 | Shadow__X | well i rather compile on my desktop then |
| 06:49.04 | LiraNuna | for that, you'd need a cross compiler |
| 06:49.12 | LiraNuna | maemo sdk provides one |
| 06:49.39 | Shadow__X | http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_4-1-2_diablo/ |
| 06:49.42 | Shadow__X | is that the right one |
| 06:50.44 | LiraNuna | I believe so |
| 06:50.55 | LiraNuna | sadly it does not work on 64bit systems, so I can't test it |
| 06:51.09 | LiraNuna | I could hack the installer script to pass the check, but who knows the implications |
| 06:51.22 | Shadow__X | i am running 64bit |
| 06:53.12 | LiraNuna | then I'm afraid you are stuck in my situation then... :( |
| 06:53.18 | LiraNuna | retrieves gcc sources |
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| 06:54.48 | Shadow__X | why cant the sdk run 64bit |
| 06:55.25 | LiraNuna | I'm not sure, the installer script complain it will only run on i386 (32bit) |
| 06:56.03 | Shadow__X | hmm |
| 06:56.56 | LiraNuna | sure, I could bypass the check, but I don't know what it does |
| 06:57.06 | Shadow__X | i will let you test first |
| 06:57.09 | LiraNuna | and I'd probably have to symlink a lot of libraries |
| 06:57.13 | l7 | is e2fsprogs supposed to be in extras? |
| 06:57.22 | LiraNuna | I'd rather build a cross compiler |
| 06:57.58 | Shadow__X | how do you do that |
| 06:58.59 | inz | There are 64-bit deb -packages of scratchbox |
| 06:59.01 | LiraNuna | you set binutils/gcc to target arm-linux-gnueabi |
| 06:59.19 | LiraNuna | inz, what is scratchbox? all I want is a compiler |
| 07:00.19 | inz | LiraNuna, scratchbox is what maemo SDK uses to make cross compiling look like native compiling |
| 07:00.19 | LiraNuna | sorry for the dumb questions, I'm not used to SDKs, I'm a low level ARM hacker |
| 07:00.37 | LiraNuna | inz, ./configure --target=... won't work? |
| 07:00.52 | LiraNuna | --host/--build |
| 07:01.08 | inz | LiraNuna, that's what sbox tries to hide, all of it |
| 07:01.10 | LiraNuna | or is it designed to easy to use? |
| 07:01.14 | LiraNuna | ah |
| 07:01.20 | LiraNuna | so I can do it myself :D |
| 07:01.29 | LiraNuna | is used to compiling his own toolchain |
| 07:01.42 | inz | LiraNuna, so you just run ./configure; make |
| 07:01.56 | LiraNuna | chroot? |
| 07:02.15 | inz | LiraNuna, yes, chroot and qemu thrown in at some places |
| 07:02.44 | LiraNuna | I see; I believe I'm experienced enough to do it the "hard" way |
| 07:03.02 | inz | You are free to shoot yourself in the leg ;) |
| 07:03.11 | LiraNuna | trust me I did it already |
| 07:03.21 | LiraNuna | I got ~7 cross compilers in my dev system |
| 07:03.39 | inz | "Good" for you |
| 07:03.43 | LiraNuna | haha |
| 07:05.28 | Shadow__X | uh so guys |
| 07:05.29 | Shadow__X | lol |
| 07:05.38 | fireun1 | LiraNuna: the sandbox way seems like the "hard" way to me |
| 07:05.41 | LiraNuna | Shadow__X, I'm building a cross compiler, this may take time |
| 07:05.45 | Shadow__X | how do i compile microdc to run on my tablet |
| 07:05.45 | Shadow__X | k |
| 07:06.01 | LiraNuna | fireun1, sandbox as in scratchbox? |
| 07:06.24 | fireun1 | scratchbox, sandbox, <shrug> |
| 07:06.47 | LiraNuna | fireun1, I've never used the official SDK, so I don't know what it has |
| 07:07.06 | fireun1 | I tried to use it, got frustrated by the silly sand/scratchbox approach |
| 07:07.08 | inz | Oh it has everything |
| 07:07.16 | fireun1 | seemed like a pita to me |
| 07:07.21 | LiraNuna | is oldschool |
| 07:08.06 | fireun1 | my experience is just with embedded dev, so I always cross compiled for multiple targets |
| 07:09.13 | fireun1 | but not like the maemo stuff |
| 07:09.33 | fireun1 | sleeps() |
| 07:15.23 | l7 | hmm do dropbear and openssh cause any conflicts? |
| 07:15.55 | Stskeeps | try probably try to listen on same port? :P |
| 07:17.40 | Shadow__X | Stskeeps, can i install the sdk on sdk |
| 07:17.58 | Stskeeps | waay to early for such a question :P |
| 07:18.22 | l7 | fanoush's init_flasher script said could install dropbear for advanced network recovery |
| 07:18.22 | Shadow__X | sdk on 64bit sorry |
| 07:18.34 | l7 | but maybe that's only located on the bootloader |
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| 07:19.58 | LiraNuna | anyone with the official SDK here? |
| 07:20.12 | inz | official 'nuff |
| 07:20.40 | inz | Need som'n compiled for you? |
| 07:20.41 | LiraNuna | inz, can you paste the output of arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc -v for me, please? |
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| 08:31.46 | lbt | do these files exist on a plain http server anywhere : https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/releases/0.2/?root=bluemaemo |
| 08:32.00 | lbt | ie not inside some html markup.... |
| 08:32.23 | Stskeeps | ask vdsvx i guess :) |
| 08:32.28 | Stskeeps | vdvsx |
| 08:32.59 | lbt | goshawk asked for them :) |
| 08:36.12 | Stskeeps | i suspect it's in maemo extras so |
| 08:37.02 | RST38h | lbt: You wanted big pictures of the Mount Doom? |
| 08:37.50 | lbt | the gas flare? |
| 08:37.53 | RST38h | yea |
| 08:38.01 | lbt | Stskeeps: it's not in extras :( |
| 08:38.09 | lbt | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/source/b/ |
| 08:38.10 | RST38h | http://community.livejournal.com/idu_shagayu/1836568.html?#cutid1 and http://top.rbc.ru/photoreport/10/05/2009/301274.shtml |
| 08:39.07 | lbt | RST38h: that one yesterday... was that yours? |
| 08:39.36 | RST38h | depends on what you mean by "mine" - I do not generally blow gas pipelines |
| 08:39.41 | lbt | http://img.beta.rian.ru/images/16672/32/166723203.jpg |
| 08:39.51 | lbt | heh |
| 08:40.14 | RST38h | yeah |
| 08:40.27 | lbt | I like that one.... |
| 08:41.11 | lbt | best one I've seen ;) |
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| 11:43.43 | lcuk | mornin chan, v6sa |
| 11:43.59 | lcuk | everyone gone out for sunday lunch? |
| 11:44.42 | v6sa | Dno |
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| 11:47.22 | lcuk | goes for coffee and bacon |
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| 12:06.37 | lopz | hola |
| 12:10.06 | keesj | hi |
| 12:25.32 | Stskeeps | morning keesj |
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| 14:35.23 | GeneralAntilles | Apple replaced practically everything in the machine and it still doesn't work. |
| 14:36.02 | kfx | that can't be right |
| 14:36.06 | kfx | it "just works" |
| 14:37.12 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, which part doesnt work? |
| 14:37.17 | lcuk | the furry diceo n the mirror? |
| 14:37.39 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, apparently they're ordering a new video card. |
| 14:37.59 | lcuk | what doesnt work tho? |
| 14:38.11 | lcuk | no use ordering or replacing the hard drive for a video problem etc |
| 14:38.42 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I think they're just guessing at this point. |
| 14:38.54 | GeneralAntilles | The only thing that's left to replace is the graphics card and RAM |
| 14:39.06 | lcuk | ok i am guessing to - what symptoms were you having |
| 14:39.27 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, it took a piss all over itself. |
| 14:39.33 | crashanddie | aaah, GA, just the man I wanted to see |
| 14:39.41 | lcuk | check the bladder unit then |
| 14:39.44 | GeneralAntilles | The inside of the case was coated with vital fluids. :P |
| 14:39.49 | lcuk | and make sure it knows how to open the bathroom door |
| 14:40.04 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, crashanddie, just the man I don't want to see? |
| 14:40.12 | crashanddie | easier: don't put a door in the bathroom, very interesting when a girl moves in with ya |
| 14:40.29 | crashanddie | dayum, don't you like me anymore :( |
| 14:41.19 | lcuk | its less interesting when that girl invites her mum over and she discovers you |
| 14:42.01 | crashanddie | surely she wouldn't invite the mum to the communal place if the guy never met her before |
| 14:42.11 | crashanddie | that's like rule number 3 in the "DON'T DO" list of relationships |
| 14:42.35 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, I'm not sure, that's why I put a question mark on the end. :P |
| 14:42.59 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I guess I answered that then, seeing I didn't put a question mark at the end of my sentence |
| 14:43.19 | GeneralAntilles | It also depends on what, exactly, you want to see me about. |
| 14:43.27 | crashanddie | about a dog |
| 14:43.44 | GeneralAntilles | If it's the plantar warts, then I don't really need to hear about it. ;) |
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| 14:45.29 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, PM |
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| 16:02.05 | kozak | Hi Stskeeps |
| 16:03.03 | Stskeeps | 'lo kozak :) |
| 16:04.12 | kozak | Hows mer going... its been sometime since I used my baord! |
| 16:04.30 | kozak | held up with work :( |
| 16:04.56 | Stskeeps | it's going fine :) meeting in copenhagen at the end of this month |
| 16:05.03 | Stskeeps | and we switched to opensuse build service totally |
| 16:05.05 | Stskeeps | no scratchbox |
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| 16:20.41 | kozak | oh cool new UI enhancements as well! Also heard QT might also come in at some point of time! |
| 16:21.17 | lbt | in to what? |
| 16:21.34 | kozak | into mer! |
| 16:21.36 | kozak | no? |
| 16:21.43 | lbt | it's already there.... |
| 16:22.06 | lbt | http://www.flickr.com/photos/96141280@N00/3508663122/ |
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| 16:23.44 | kozak | nice ... I think there was a thought that QT might not come in at all... may be a couple of months back |
| 16:24.21 | lbt | heh - I wanted Shopper... so needed Qt ;) |
| 16:30.27 | kozak | :) |
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| 16:59.49 | lcuk | ive got an ssh session into the laptop, anyone know how do i show a message onto the desktop for the logged in user? |
| 17:00.01 | lcuk | its runnin ubuntu |
| 17:01.19 | Stskeeps | export DISPLAY=:0 and xmessage? :P |
| 17:01.52 | lcuk | ta Stskeeps :) |
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| 17:09.52 | RST38h | moo sts, lcuk |
| 17:09.57 | Stskeeps | moo RST38h |
| 17:10.05 | Stskeeps | how's the gas pipeline? ended up in news here :P |
| 17:10.22 | RST38h | so far, no visible traces left |
| 17:11.06 | RST38h | one building damaged (a research institute), 12 cars burned, 5 people injured (motorists driving y when it blew). As far as I know, they turned the gas off. |
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| 17:25.07 | Stskeeps | dramatic brackets, t][s][o ;) |
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| 17:25.25 | t][s][o | crud, connection issues... |
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| 18:49.02 | lcuk | RST38h, \o |
| 18:49.08 | lcuk | (i have lag) |
| 18:49.10 | b-man | notices that someone is trying to copy his profile on one of his websites again >.> |
| 18:49.25 | b-man | why is it allwase me. |
| 18:49.31 | b-man | xP |
| 18:49.38 | lcuk | split personality? |
| 18:49.55 | lcuk | when you think you are asleep your alter ego goes out and sets up random websites |
| 18:49.57 | RST38h | "When she makes contact with a human, she will immediately begin invading their abdominal area with her index finger through the navel. Upon making contact with some organ within the body of her victim (what organ she reaches for is unknown), SCP-106 will immediately explode with the force of a 20 kt nuclear bomb." |
| 18:50.13 | b-man | lcuk: lol |
| 18:50.24 | lcuk | RST38h, how did they discover it was female? |
| 18:51.05 | lcuk | and does the explosion only occur because she *couldnt* find the organ she was expecting |
| 18:51.07 | RST38h | lcuk: I guess cctv footage is safe to watch |
| 18:51.21 | RST38h | also: "Additionally, she doesn't seem to be able to look directly up; whether this is a physical or mental incapability or merely an aversion to looking in that direction is unknown." |
| 18:51.51 | b-man | does admit that he does have a split personality though |
| 18:52.12 | lcuk | b-man, i wouldv thought some of you would disagree |
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| 18:53.11 | b-man | b-man=b-man16=FireFox=FireFox16 |
| 18:53.33 | Stskeeps | b-man: you just try to score some of the freenode chicks, obviously. |
| 18:53.43 | lcuk | error L-VALUE cannot be assigned a result |
| 18:53.44 | b-man | XD |
| 18:53.59 | b-man | lcuk: lol |
| 18:54.12 | lcuk | u should use == for equality |
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| 18:54.38 | b-man | lcuk: your spending too much time writing c lol |
| 18:54.52 | lcuk | i do the same in visual basic, the compiler shouts at me |
| 18:55.14 | lcuk | i also have to curse quite often between different comment syntax |
| 18:56.48 | b-man | main(){ b-man == b-man16 == firefox == firefox16 } |
| 18:56.52 | b-man | lol |
| 18:58.04 | b-man | has been teaching himself c for the past fuew days |
| 18:58.07 | lcuk | error, missing ; near } |
| 18:58.40 | lcuk | and theres other things, ur variable names are expressions :P |
| 18:58.41 | b-man | #include <stdio.h> |
| 18:58.51 | b-man | main() |
| 18:58.58 | b-man | { |
| 18:59.19 | b-man | #define b-man b-man16 |
| 18:59.30 | b-man | #define firefox firefox16 |
| 18:59.34 | b-man | } |
| 19:00.12 | lcuk | now, if you manage to post that in #c and dont get disconnected from the internet you are a true god |
| 19:00.24 | RST38h | #define ; printf("Hello! I am line %d\n",__LINE__); |
| 19:00.51 | b-man | hehe |
| 19:01.21 | lcuk | damn RST38h that would be good,but it breaks logic |
| 19:02.38 | b-man | lcuk, compile this: |
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| 19:03.03 | b-man | #include <stdio.h> |
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| 19:03.23 | b-man | main(){ |
| 19:03.33 | b-man | int ch; |
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| 19:03.57 | lcuk | arghhhhh i was thinking "wow hes learnt the right way to use { and }, then u go and screw it up by puttin it on the same line ;) |
| 19:04.05 | b-man | int linecount = 0; |
| 19:04.25 | b-man | int charcount = 0; |
| 19:04.48 | b-man | while ( (ch = getchar()) != EOF) |
| 19:04.56 | b-man | { |
| 19:05.09 | b-man | charcount++; |
| 19:05.32 | b-man | if (ch == '\n') |
| 19:05.46 | b-man | linecount++; |
| 19:05.54 | b-man | } |
| 19:06.18 | b-man | printf("counted %d characters and %d lines.\n", charcount, linecount); |
| 19:06.26 | b-man | } |
| 19:06.30 | b-man | ok |
| 19:06.49 | b-man | gcc lcc.c -o lcc |
| 19:07.10 | b-man | touch test |
| 19:07.19 | b-man | lcc <test |
| 19:07.35 | b-man | and see what happens ;) |
| 19:07.35 | GeneralAntilles | pastebin. . . . |
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| 19:08.04 | lcuk | come o, its a bit quiet :P |
| 19:08.21 | lcuk | hes just increasing the line count :D |
| 19:08.29 | lcuk | b-man, it gave me all sorts of errors |
| 19:08.37 | b-man | what? |
| 19:08.49 | b-man | it worked for me :P |
| 19:09.04 | GeneralAntilles | Why does every idiot think the 5800 is Nokia's first touchscreen phone? |
| 19:09.06 | lcuk | well i copied and pasted directly from irc |
| 19:09.24 | lcuk | cos it basically is isnt it? |
| 19:09.33 | thux | beautiful more c talk |
| 19:09.38 | b-man | lcuk, hold on... |
| 19:09.43 | lcuk | b-man, dont |
| 19:09.54 | lcuk | i know what it does |
| 19:10.05 | lcuk | do you understand what it does thou |
| 19:10.06 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: n8x0 isn't a phone :P |
| 19:10.08 | lcuk | thats more important |
| 19:10.10 | b-man | i'm putting it in pastebin :P |
| 19:10.13 | lcuk | no |
| 19:10.14 | RST38h | General: Because 77xx did not succeed |
| 19:10.14 | lcuk | dont |
| 19:10.29 | b-man | why? |
| 19:10.31 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, what RST38h said, idiot. :P |
| 19:10.32 | RST38h | lcuk: [hint] 7710, 7720 |
| 19:10.32 | Shadow__X | hey b-man do you cross compile stuff for maemo |
| 19:10.36 | lcuk | ta rst |
| 19:10.43 | b-man | kinda |
| 19:10.49 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, sure, but they existed. ;) |
| 19:10.54 | RST38h | You don't think Hildon came out of nowhere? :) |
| 19:11.05 | Shadow__X | i wanted to cross compile microdc but dont know how |
| 19:11.37 | b-man | compiles everything straight on his tablet |
| 19:11.38 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: granted |
| 19:12.33 | Shadow__X | hmm how do i compile microdc on my desktop then run it on my tablet then |
| 19:13.06 | Shadow__X | 64bit 2.6.28 kernel |
| 19:13.16 | b-man | do you have scratchbox? |
| 19:13.22 | Shadow__X | nope |
| 19:13.38 | b-man | you'll need to install that |
| 19:13.54 | crashanddie | A B{A i;C i=0;i<100;i++)D G H i E F i;} |
| 19:14.07 | b-man | ^ lol |
| 19:14.10 | crashanddie | #define A int |
| 19:14.14 | crashanddie | #define B main() |
| 19:14.19 | crashanddie | #define C for ( |
| 19:14.22 | crashanddie | #define D printf( |
| 19:14.26 | crashanddie | #define E ); |
| 19:14.29 | crashanddie | #define F return |
| 19:14.34 | crashanddie | #define G "We've done this" |
| 19:14.38 | crashanddie | #define H " %d times\n", |
| 19:14.46 | LiraNuna | stop. |
| 19:14.47 | b-man | omg |
| 19:15.04 | tank-man | )))) |
| 19:15.15 | b-man | -_- |
| 19:15.25 | crashanddie | and yes, that compiles and runs |
| 19:16.21 | Shadow__X | ok scratchbox is installed |
| 19:16.30 | LiraNuna | pre-processor abuse is nothing new |
| 19:16.40 | b-man | LiraNuna: how's re-building ubuntu going? |
| 19:16.53 | tank-man | hey, windows vista compiles cleanly too i bet |
| 19:17.12 | LiraNuna | b-man, I can't get right-click to work |
| 19:17.19 | LiraNuna | using mousetricks |
| 19:17.45 | b-man | hmm |
| 19:18.06 | Shadow__X | scratchbox is installed how do i cross compile |
| 19:18.19 | b-man | is libgtkstylus installed? |
| 19:18.23 | lcuk | have you got a knitting needle? |
| 19:18.53 | LiraNuna | b-man, don't think so, let me boot to it |
| 19:19.02 | b-man | Shadow_X: i'll grab a link for instructions |
| 19:19.13 | Shadow__X | k thanks |
| 19:19.25 | crashanddie | LiraNuna, how about you read what it says |
| 19:19.41 | crashanddie | LiraNuna, instead of pointing out the obvious ;) |
| 19:19.46 | LiraNuna | crashanddie, ? |
| 19:19.57 | crashanddie | LiraNuna> pre-processor abuse is nothing new |
| 19:20.06 | LiraNuna | it's not; I've seen worse |
| 19:20.15 | crashanddie | like I said |
| 19:20.20 | crashanddie | how about you read what the code spits out |
| 19:20.52 | b-man | Shadow_X: http://maemo.org/development/training/maemo_technology_overview_content/plain_html/node8/ -- hope this helps |
| 19:21.01 | Stskeeps | RST38h: you'll get a kick out of http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/10/nokia-cheesiness-featured-in-new-star-trek-movie/ |
| 19:21.20 | LiraNuna | b-man, also Fn key not working drives me insane |
| 19:21.30 | LiraNuna | I tried downgrading hal from mer repositories |
| 19:22.10 | b-man | you might need to install mer's xserver-xorg-evdev package for Fn |
| 19:23.25 | b-man | really needs to update xserver-xorg-evdev for ubuntu-n8x0 :P |
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| 19:24.24 | Stskeeps | or start working on ubuntu based on http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Maemo://Mer://Devel://HW://N8x0/MerDevel_Ubuntu_9.04/ |
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| 19:25.05 | LiraNuna | dsp? |
| 19:25.16 | LiraNuna | are those sound drivers? |
| 19:26.09 | x29a | digital signal processor? |
| 19:26.27 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: not directly. loaders |
| 19:26.41 | LiraNuna | Stskeeps, in what way? loads them from initfs? |
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| 19:29.16 | b-man | hay xnt14 :) |
| 19:29.28 | xnt14 | hay b-man :) |
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| 19:54.07 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, can you please remember to search before filing new bugs? I'm duping a lot of your recent ones. |
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| 19:55.58 | RST38h | Sorry, I did make a search and none of them seemed to come up |
| 19:56.21 | RST38h | So I just went and filed bugs for any problems I found |
| 19:56.58 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, keywords are a bitch |
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| 19:57.14 | RST38h | I basically looked for oall open website bugs |
| 19:57.14 | GeneralAntilles | I'm may try to find out if we can use the whiteboard for more searchable bugs |
| 19:57.26 | andre__ | if you need any keywords, just ping |
| 19:57.34 | GeneralAntilles | Generating a list of open website bugs from the past x days might be good. |
| 19:57.50 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, well, can we use the whiteboard for Flickr style tagging? |
| 19:57.57 | andre__ | example? |
| 19:58.15 | andre__ | if you use the whiteboard i'd prefer to have namespaces (that was useful in gnome at least), but just convince me :) |
| 19:58.36 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, well, I'm open to whatever is the general practice |
| 19:58.42 | GeneralAntilles | As I don't know what's what. ;) |
| 19:58.52 | andre__ | heh. it's undefined for maemo.org bugzilla :-) |
| 19:58.58 | GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4351 and https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4499 |
| 19:59.02 | GeneralAntilles | Though |
| 19:59.03 | andre__ | flickr tagging means...? #tag ? |
| 19:59.14 | GeneralAntilles | Well, if GNOME has something that works well, then we should adopt it, I think |
| 19:59.30 | GeneralAntilles | My original summary for 4351 did not include any form of the word vote |
| 19:59.39 | GeneralAntilles | Which makes it hard for RST38h to find it when filing 4499 |
| 19:59.56 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, if a bug is about x, y and z, put x, y, and z in the whiteboard |
| 19:59.56 | andre__ | people should query for vot as it both covers vote and voting ;-))) |
| 20:00.14 | andre__ | english is broken because of gerunds... |
| 20:00.16 | GeneralAntilles | Gotta talk more later. Maybe worth a -developer thread. |
| 20:00.21 | GeneralAntilles | Going to Star Trek |
| 20:00.32 | b-man | lol |
| 20:00.34 | andre__ | ah, i see. so you want to use the whiteboard really for tagging... interesteing |
| 20:00.40 | andre__ | enjoy |
| 20:00.50 | andre__ | so far i've used the whiteboard for non-bugzilla wide keywords |
| 20:01.09 | andre__ | like "evolution[filters]" for filter issues in Evolution application, and because other apps might use filters too |
| 20:01.13 | andre__ | hmm, interesting idea |
| 20:01.20 | xnt14 | lol |
| 20:01.23 | GAN8001 | Well, we the global keyword list can't ever really be complete |
| 20:01.29 | GAN8001 | s/we// |
| 20:01.42 | GAN8001 | But, I dunno. |
| 20:01.44 | andre__ | not complete, but currently it's quite a small list |
| 20:01.45 | GAN8001 | More later. :D |
| 20:01.48 | GAN8001 | runs out the door. |
| 20:02.12 | andre__ | hmm, triage guide mentions to query for "vot" instead of "vote". :) |
| 20:02.36 | xnt14 | trips GAN8001 xd jk |
| 20:08.27 | lcuk | andre__, when you are triaging bugs are you ever tempted to wear a nurses uniform? |
| 20:09.32 | lcuk | reminding myself about uniforms - tshirts for copenhagen, who do i have to speak to to see if we are havin em |
| 20:10.51 | andre__ | lcuk, i normally prefer to wear a scottish kilt when working |
| 20:10.55 | andre__ | hmm, probably quim i'd say |
| 20:11.04 | lcuk | :D heh |
| 20:12.02 | andre__ | won't mention any nazi uniforms here, might get him into trouble :-P |
| 20:12.16 | andre__ | t-shirts would be a nice to have, definitely |
| 20:12.29 | lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=27714 |
| 20:12.38 | lcuk | i just brought back an old thread to remind ppl |
| 20:13.33 | andre__ | there were t-shirts at maemo summit. |
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| 20:13.39 | andre__ | and i'd assume that some were left |
| 20:13.47 | andre__ | nokia should know better |
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| 20:14.33 | lcuk | they were a bit tight and white, i managed to get myself a black maemo one before the end tho :) |
| 20:15.15 | andre__ | i also definitely prefer black for the next one. to be honest the white one ended up at my girlfriend's body, i don't wear it :-) |
| 20:16.20 | lcuk | lol, i believe the internet phrase here is "pics or it didn't happen" lol |
| 20:16.48 | andre__ | "this thread is worthless without pics" |
| 20:17.15 | lcuk | actually, retract that - you and a kilt might just tip us all over :D |
| 20:17.40 | andre__ | there should be pics on flickr of me |
| 20:18.10 | lcuk | yeah we know what you look like, its the kilt angle that makes me uneasy |
| 20:18.42 | andre__ | ehehe |
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| 20:48.44 | lcuk | whos seen the new star trek |
| 20:50.37 | b-man | lol |
| 20:50.47 | xnt14 | lol |
| 20:51.10 | luke-jr | O.o |
| 20:51.13 | luke-jr | that was funny? |
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| 20:52.04 | Stskeeps | lcuk: not yet. |
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| 21:03.49 | lcuk | b-man, which personality laughed and why? |
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| 21:58.09 | Macer | awesome |
| 21:58.32 | lcuk | what is |
| 21:58.38 | Macer | got my su8w to work with my g1 :) |
| 21:59.14 | lcuk | nice |
| 21:59.43 | Macer | yah |
| 21:59.47 | Macer | a2dp works on it now too |
| 21:59.55 | Macer | android seems to be really shaping up |
| 22:00.50 | lcuk | what new things are available for it? |
| 22:00.56 | lcuk | i havent heard of any specific apps |
| 22:01.05 | Macer | there are a ton of apps for it |
| 22:01.19 | Macer | especially since people can charge for apps nowadays |
| 22:01.21 | lcuk | what stands out tho - shining beacons that make you want to get it |
| 22:01.32 | Macer | most of the stock stuff is nice |
| 22:01.41 | Macer | they have documents to go which is an office suite |
| 22:01.52 | Macer | the browser has gotten nicer. and it has a soft keyboard for the G1 now :) |
| 22:02.04 | Macer | so you don't have to keep flipping it open to type small things |
| 22:02.25 | lcuk | can i get DMA screen access? |
| 22:02.35 | lcuk | or on the metal |
| 22:02.42 | Macer | DMA screen access? |
| 22:02.46 | lcuk | or is it just java sdk or non visual libraries |
| 22:02.53 | lcuk | i can open a raw bitmap here |
| 22:02.59 | lcuk | and draw directly on it |
| 22:03.06 | Macer | heh.. couldn't tell you.. i'm not a dev |
| 22:03.18 | Macer | i was happy just because i was able to build hidd for it to use my bt keyboard |
| 22:03.31 | lcuk | yeah |
| 22:03.57 | lcuk | that lots pretty much built into maemo by default aint it |
| 22:03.57 | Macer | hopefully it will have a menu option for the hid |
| 22:04.11 | Macer | sure is ;) |
| 22:04.15 | lcuk | hasnt used bt kb for ages |
| 22:04.26 | Macer | i used it with the n800 i gave to Stskeeps |
| 22:04.45 | lcuk | cool |
| 22:04.46 | Macer | but after i got my G1 i stopped using the n800 for the most part but kept the keyboard in case the g1 would support it |
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| 22:04.54 | lcuk | will you be able to install mer on it eventually? |
| 22:05.00 | Macer | on my G1? :) |
| 22:05.05 | lcuk | yeah reasonable consideration |
| 22:05.07 | lcuk | yeah |
| 22:05.07 | Macer | no way... i'd rather use android |
| 22:05.10 | Macer | heh |
| 22:05.19 | Macer | i like the android interface more |
| 22:05.21 | lcuk | i wasnt asking for you |
| 22:05.55 | Macer | although mer was starting to look nice |
| 22:05.59 | lcuk | yeah people get into things that work for them, im still an xp user |
| 22:06.00 | Macer | android was premature in its release |
| 22:06.15 | lcuk | everything is premature |
| 22:06.22 | lcuk | nowadays its now now now |
| 22:06.23 | Macer | but it is doing a lot better after the cupcake release |
| 22:06.53 | crashanddie | lcuk, tell that to torvalds |
| 22:07.02 | Macer | some of the little things they added to it really touched it up |
| 22:07.06 | crashanddie | he's the one fueling the whole "release early, release often" moto |
| 22:07.19 | lcuk | outside of that |
| 22:07.21 | Macer | haha |
| 22:07.24 | lcuk | outside computers |
| 22:07.29 | Macer | release early release often :) |
| 22:07.38 | Macer | linux creed? |
| 22:07.38 | lcuk | customers dont understand tho |
| 22:08.01 | Macer | yeah.. most customers don't... ther's probably a small percentage of G1 useres who have rooted their phones |
| 22:08.02 | crashanddie | they shouldn't have to |
| 22:08.05 | Macer | the rest just wait for ota updates |
| 22:08.20 | lcuk | sorry maam, this car is a pre-release, you still have to climb out of the windows to exit and if you go over 40mph, make sure you hold onto the sunroof |
| 22:08.33 | Macer | haha |
| 22:09.06 | crashanddie | true |
| 22:09.39 | crashanddie | the problem comes when you have an easy distribution method, and post-promised earnings |
| 22:10.01 | crashanddie | if it's software, it doesn't cost you anything to release the beta version, as long as the full version will be worth the full amount of money |
| 22:10.16 | crashanddie | you get user feedback which can be very important |
| 22:10.24 | lcuk | vital! |
| 22:10.45 | Macer | well.. i couldn't install win7 |
| 22:10.54 | crashanddie | on the other hand, you can't release a pre-prod car to a massive customer base for free, and just update it to the latest version as soon as it's available for purchase |
| 22:10.55 | Macer | don't know why but it was asking for a driver disc |
| 22:10.56 | Macer | wtf? :) |
| 22:10.58 | lcuk | i wouldnt install it on your computer either |
| 22:11.16 | crashanddie | Macer, windows 7 works beautifully under VMWare |
| 22:11.21 | crashanddie | well |
| 22:11.28 | lcuk | thats an important distinction crashanddie :) |
| 22:11.30 | Macer | heh |
| 22:11.37 | Macer | i wanted to try it on a toshiba laptop i have |
| 22:12.44 | crashanddie | I think that some PMs have come imbued with the success of certain software projects, and are hoping to apply the same rules to mass-consumer markets |
| 22:12.48 | crashanddie | and that's just something that's not going to fly in the long run |
| 22:13.00 | crashanddie | the zune being one of those examples |
| 22:13.14 | Macer | i had a zune |
| 22:13.15 | Macer | it wasn't bad |
| 22:13.17 | crashanddie | oh, and btw, I've officially seen every single stargate episode and film |
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| 22:14.27 | crashanddie | I want to see a platform that basically has 10 SD slots |
| 22:14.56 | luke-jr | ⦠they'd HAVE to eb MicroSD |
| 22:15.00 | crashanddie | each slot can be used to plug in self-contained device, be it extension of RAM, wifi, gps, whatever they can come up with |
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| 22:15.39 | luke-jr | crashanddie: I'd rather have legos, so they can be piggybacked XD |
| 22:15.54 | luke-jr | need more power? snap on a new battery block and remove the old one |
| 22:16.07 | crashanddie | luke-jr, you would not want micro-sd |
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| 22:16.15 | crashanddie | or micro-lego for that matter :P |
| 22:16.30 | luke-jr | or if it's already bulky, pull off the SD card block, add the new battery there, yank the old battery, and replace it with that SD card block ;) |
| 22:17.03 | crashanddie | remember how with the old laptops you could pull out the CD-drive and plug-in a floppy drive? |
| 22:17.27 | crashanddie | same principle |
| 22:17.38 | crashanddie | give people the possibility to make the device they need, instead of locking yourself in a position where you cut off possibilities |
| 22:17.56 | crashanddie | basically: make a wii |
| 22:18.27 | crashanddie | the wii is shit easy hardware, but you extend the basic functionality by making it pluggable, and extendible |
| 22:18.44 | crashanddie | </rant> |
| 22:19.34 | crashanddie | ~ping |
| 22:19.35 | infobot | ~pong |
| 22:19.57 | crashanddie | lcuk, say I'm right |
| 22:20.34 | luke-jr | is it possible to run Maemo in a chroot? |
| 22:20.36 | lcuk | arghhh, im upto my armpits in coed, gimma a minute |
| 22:20.54 | crashanddie | !grab lcuk |
| 22:20.56 | luke-jr | if I bind-mount the dbus run dir, I get osso_initialize failed. |
| 22:20.58 | lcuk | you are right, you have seen every stargate |
| 22:20.58 | crashanddie | damn |
| 22:21.38 | lcuk | i like pluggable |
| 22:21.52 | timeless_mbp | crashanddie: w7 is great in vbox too :) |
| 22:22.54 | timeless_mbp | crashanddie: btw, are you sure you aren't asking for a ... |
| 22:22.55 | timeless_mbp | blanks |
| 22:23.00 | timeless_mbp | beagleboard? :) |
| 22:23.14 | crashanddie | beagleboard is shit |
| 22:23.14 | timeless_mbp | otoh, you could try to find something which was basically a firewire bus :) |
| 22:23.17 | luke-jr | or at least maemo mapper? |
| 22:23.38 | timeless_mbp | luke-jr: so... as a reminder, scratchbox is a chroot |
| 22:23.54 | crashanddie | as much as I praise the guys for creating a $150 device that runs beautifully |
| 22:23.59 | luke-jr | timeless_mbp: no idea what scratchbox is ⺠|
| 22:24.14 | timeless_mbp | wonders what character set that is |
| 22:24.19 | crashanddie | I've always been minutes away from buying a beagleboard that wasn't so limited... |
| 22:24.33 | luke-jr | timeless_mbp: half the point of my using Gentoo is so I don't actually *boot* the Maemo stuff that interferes with WiFi monitor mode |
| 22:24.47 | luke-jr | timeless_mbp: Unicode |
| 22:25.01 | crashanddie | The only way to get networking is through USB or an SDIO port? Excuse me? What is this? The 90s? |
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| 22:25.08 | timeless_mbp | luke-jr: ok, and what character? because my mac clearly doesn't have it |
| 22:25.14 | timeless_mbp | it renders it as a hollow square |
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| 22:25.29 | crashanddie | luke-jr, you do realise you could attain the exact same stuff by hacking at the startup scripts rather than basically going the LFS route... |
| 22:25.33 | luke-jr | timeless_mbp: a simple smiley face, actually chr(1) in the US DOS charset too |
| 22:25.47 | luke-jr | crashanddie: that's ok, I don't like Maemo's design in general |
| 22:26.12 | timeless_mbp | wonders if maemo.org left beta |
| 22:26.42 | timeless_mbp | hey, is there a bug about the fact that the text for <Cumulus 2.3.0> on maemo.org is truncated? |
| 22:27.01 | crashanddie | luke-jr, you don't like debian/ubuntu more like it, Maemo didn't invent anything on the Linux side of things |
| 22:27.07 | luke-jr | so this "osso_initialize failed." ? |
| 22:27.16 | luke-jr | crashanddie: uh, it is nothing like Debian |
| 22:27.31 | crashanddie | timeless_mbp, haven't been able to get a hold of a USB smartchip reader |
| 22:27.39 | timeless_mbp | :( |
| 22:28.08 | crashanddie | timeless, depending on your needs I can ship you a USB smartcard reader though |
| 22:28.17 | crashanddie | timeless, a lot cheaper and people actually use them |
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| 22:28.48 | timeless_mbp | as long as it works as a PKCS11 provider thing |
| 22:28.49 | mikkov_ | timeless_mbp: I don't see anything wrong with cumulus text |
| 22:28.59 | andre__ | timeless_mbp, could not find a ticket about maemo.org, please file one. and i can confirm here. |
| 22:29.08 | andre__ | mikkov_, i can confirm it |
| 22:29.11 | timeless_mbp | andre__: can you deal w/ the picture for it? |
| 22:29.13 | luke-jr | crashanddie: I know for a fact that none of this "osso_initialize" crap is in Debian ;) |
| 22:29.42 | crashanddie | luke-jr, read my words |
| 22:29.49 | crashanddie | luke-jr, never said it did |
| 22:30.22 | crashanddie | timeless_mbp, which OS are we talking about, and what kind of CP are we talking about here? |
| 22:30.39 | luke-jr | crashanddie: I didn't complain about "the Linux side of things" by its literal meaning |
| 22:30.43 | timeless_mbp | crashanddie: normally wXP/w7 |
| 22:30.47 | timeless_mbp | but atm i'm on OSX |
| 22:30.54 | timeless_mbp | and the client library is NSS |
| 22:31.02 | crashanddie | timeless_mbp, and is this research for your work, or yourself? |
| 22:31.26 | andre__ | timeless_mbp: http://home.arcor.de/ak-47/tmp/maemoorgtruncation.png |
| 22:32.29 | timeless_mbp | andre__: yeah, slightly different truncation here, but that'll do |
| 22:32.36 | timeless_mbp | can you do the attachment after i file, or should i attach yours? |
| 22:32.50 | andre__ | i will attach, just file |
| 22:34.49 | timeless_mbp | thanks |
| 22:36.28 | timeless_mbp | andre__: 4522 |
| 22:36.42 | timeless_mbp | mother's calling me to dinner... today isn't a day to ignore her... |
| 22:36.43 | timeless_mbp | bye :) |
| 22:37.09 | andre__ | bye |
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| 23:02.52 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, SPI. |
| 23:03.03 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, it was good. |
| 23:03.54 | lcuk | excellent! |
| 23:04.10 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I wasn't blown away, but it was a lot of fun. |
| 23:04.11 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=286257&postcount=29 |
| 23:04.20 | GeneralAntilles | You know how 300 loves to whore the slomo? |
| 23:04.27 | GeneralAntilles | Star Trek is that way with lens flares. |
| 23:04.42 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, you're a fucking creeper. |
| 23:04.54 | b-man16 | lol |
| 23:04.59 | crashanddie | samples per inch? |
| 23:05.01 | lcuk | you are on the enterprise tho! |
| 23:05.02 | GeneralAntilles | Seriously, if this turns into some sort of new meme I'm hanging myself on IRC. :P |
| 23:05.05 | Macer | hm |
| 23:05.09 | lcuk | heh |
| 23:05.16 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, 300 the movie. |
| 23:05.16 | Macer | i don't think win7 is working on this toshiba laptop |
| 23:05.17 | Macer | wtf |
| 23:05.20 | b-man16 | XD |
| 23:05.37 | Macer | it is asking for drivers for something |
| 23:05.49 | Macer | which i guess it needs just to install . what kind of crap is that? :) |
| 23:06.00 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, just asking about the SPI shit |
| 23:06.50 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, oh, sorry. |
| 23:07.03 | GeneralAntilles | You know all those internal serial, etc. buses that mobile devices use to hook up accessories? All of them are available on the Beagle |
| 23:07.12 | GeneralAntilles | So you could just build yourself a little WiFi daughterboard |
| 23:07.19 | GeneralAntilles | Sub-optimal, yes, but it is a 3rd option. ;) |
| 23:07.30 | crashanddie | yeah I know |
| 23:07.37 | crashanddie | but not what I want |
| 23:07.54 | crashanddie | have you seen the speed of SPI? |
| 23:07.58 | crashanddie | and sorry, SPI is supposed to be there for low level debugging, it's like I2C |
| 23:08.07 | GeneralAntilles | Their stated goal was to keep it cheap, but when you start adding integrated WiFi/Bluetooth/whatever, you end up with their $1100 dev kit device. ;) |
| 23:08.08 | crashanddie | not actual communication or device connectivity |
| 23:08.10 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_Peripheral_Interface_Bus |
| 23:09.00 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, not necessarily |
| 23:09.30 | GeneralAntilles | Something like: http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12762&contentId=29993 |
| 23:09.35 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, the whatsitsname device, pickit or bigprick, can't remember, they just start out as very simple devices, but you can add shit to the motherboard |
| 23:09.48 | GeneralAntilles | Bug Labs? |
| 23:09.57 | crashanddie | hang on, I'm on the wrong wifi networks |
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| 23:10.30 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, lcuk, Tim was looking at the t-shirts |
| 23:10.36 | GeneralAntilles | I don't think he's made any progress, though. |
| 23:10.42 | crashanddie_ | back |
| 23:10.44 | crashanddie_ | good |
| 23:10.46 | crashanddie_ | fast interwebs nao :) |
| 23:11.07 | crashanddie_ | well, to be honest |
| 23:11.14 | crashanddie_ | I believe BlueTooth should die |
| 23:12.32 | crashanddie_ | dayum, I was hoping that would've been a bit more of flamebait |
| 23:13.15 | crashanddie_ | ~ping |
| 23:13.16 | infobot | ~pong |
| 23:13.31 | crashanddie_ | hello? |
| 23:14.43 | GeneralAntilles | Sorry |
| 23:15.04 | GeneralAntilles | I think we need a short-range wireless standard like that |
| 23:15.16 | GeneralAntilles | I don't have a strong opinion abou the candidates for that. |
| 23:15.17 | crashanddie_ | we have a short range wireless standard, wifi |
| 23:15.28 | GeneralAntilles | Power hungry |
| 23:15.41 | crashanddie_ | more than wifi + bluetooth? |
| 23:15.52 | GeneralAntilles | TCP/IP seems a little slow for HID stuff, too. |
| 23:16.16 | crashanddie_ | you don't want TCP for that |
| 23:16.30 | crashanddie_ | UDP at the very least |
| 23:18.25 | GeneralAntilles | What about wireless USB? |
| 23:18.42 | crashanddie_ | how about wireless cables/ |
| 23:18.43 | crashanddie_ | ?? |
| 23:18.51 | GAN8001 | I want Tesla back |
| 23:19.25 | crashanddie_ | Wireless Cables Inc. ! The first company to offer Bluetooth devices with up to 30km range! |
| 23:19.26 | GAN8001 | I think we need some magic |
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| 23:19.43 | GAN8001 | They screwed us on the flying cars, so I want magic. |
| 23:20.03 | crashanddie_ | I want to meet Daniel Jackson and Jack Sparrow |
| 23:20.24 | crashanddie_ | just to go to Daniel Shanks and go "Dude, you managed to marry Lexa Doig. You fucking lucky bastard" |
| 23:20.36 | crashanddie_ | s/Daniel/Michael/ |
| 23:27.17 | GeneralAntilles | Interesting, Engadget is capitalizing Internet Tablet on the Q& |
| 23:27.22 | GeneralAntilles | s/&/7/ |
| 23:27.25 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.engadget.com/ |
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| 23:28.49 | GeneralAntilles | Bye, qgil |
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