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| 00:15.13 | GeneralAntilles | Erg, time to create the May sprint page. |
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| 00:23.31 | b-man | LiraNuna: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=27735 |
| 00:23.57 | LiraNuna | b-man, thanks |
| 00:25.09 | b-man | np :) btw, sorry if i drove you crazy :P |
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| 00:53.06 | luke-jr | how to get flasher to work? |
| 00:53.15 | luke-jr | Suitable USB device not found, waiting |
| 00:53.48 | GeneralAntilles | ~flashing |
| 00:53.49 | infobot | well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 00:53.52 | GeneralAntilles | ~flasher |
| 00:53.54 | infobot | somebody said flasher was http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher |
| 00:54.10 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints/May_09 May page is up |
| 00:55.19 | luke-jr | hmm |
| 00:55.24 | luke-jr | white screen of death? |
| 00:56.44 | lcuk | whats a patchset gan? |
| 00:57.48 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, all of the custom stuff we've put on top of our Bugzilla install |
| 00:58.08 | lcuk | ahhh a service pack |
| 00:58.24 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 00:58.32 | GeneralAntilles | Except these are diffs. |
| 00:58.52 | lcuk | same idea :D |
| 00:59.22 | luke-jr | not really, mr. windozeuser |
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| 01:00.33 | lcuk | how is an MS binary diff different to a source diff - to the end user |
| 01:02.40 | luke-jr | lcuk: one is from MS, the other by the end user |
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| 01:03.51 | kfx | lcuk: the end user can examine the source one to tell whether or not it's going to make IE his default browser and cram it back on the desktop and quicklaunch bar |
| 01:04.01 | kfx | with the binary you just have to kind of assume that's what's going to happen |
| 01:06.49 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, these patches might be useful to other people. :P |
| 01:07.25 | luke-jr | meh |
| 01:07.31 | lcuk | wonders what he started. |
| 01:07.32 | luke-jr | bootmenu won't let me use the menu |
| 01:07.38 | luke-jr | and Maemo doesn't like 2.6.30 :/ |
| 01:09.04 | LiraNuna | will a non-maemo (deblet/mer/etc) be able to use it? |
| 01:09.21 | luke-jr | presumably |
| 01:09.29 | luke-jr | ponders |
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| 01:09.40 | LiraNuna | maemo is still .12 isn't it |
| 01:09.48 | luke-jr | .21 |
| 01:09.54 | LiraNuna | oh my bad |
| 01:11.04 | fireun | star date 2009.5.8.21 |
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| 01:25.55 | luke-jr | oh well |
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| 03:05.15 | luke-jr | wonders what's with the high volume of kids in this channel, anyhow. |
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| 03:29.31 | luke-jr | sigh |
| 03:29.34 | luke-jr | where is everyone |
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| 04:35.45 | jaem | is there a reason for the odd spam-seeming listings on Maemo.org Downloads? (e.g. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/narutofox666/ and similar) |
| 04:35.52 | jaem | or is that just spam |
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| 05:05.40 | RST38h | 1 |
| 05:13.45 | RST38h | Somebody is probably just fooling around |
| 05:13.55 | RST38h | it does not look like spam |
| 05:17.40 | jaem | well, spam was the wrong word |
| 05:17.45 | jaem | but it was odd |
| 05:18.17 | RST38h | anyone can create a "project" there, hence these dummy projects |
| 05:19.46 | jaem | ah |
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| 06:22.45 | Stskeeps | yawns |
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| 06:24.48 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: ! |
| 06:24.56 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: how to debug kernel issues? :/ |
| 06:25.00 | luke-jr | I get no output |
| 06:26.46 | Stskeeps | enable console and adjust cmdline not to be silent or spitting out to serial port? |
| 06:27.59 | luke-jr | err? :/ |
| 06:28.55 | zakkm | wow freeciv is the hardest game ever |
| 06:29.36 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: CONFIG_CMDLINE |
| 06:29.47 | Stskeeps | zakkm: nah, not not that user friendly |
| 06:29.50 | luke-jr | zakkm: not really |
| 06:30.09 | zakkm | just tried it for the first time gave up hah |
| 06:30.11 | luke-jr | CONFIG_CMDLINE="root=1f03 rootfstype=jffs2 ro console=tty0 console=ttyMTD5" |
| 06:30.14 | zakkm | i read the tutorial though |
| 06:30.17 | luke-jr | zakkm: try aifill 20 size 1 |
| 06:30.27 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: set to tty1 instead i guess and enable fbcon within the kernel |
| 06:30.28 | zakkm | whats that? |
| 06:30.43 | luke-jr | zakkm: insane difficulty |
| 06:30.55 | zakkm | is tty0 .. 1 ? startng from 0 or is tty0 something else? |
| 06:31.25 | zakkm | im like how can i not of played freeciv, and knew about it all this time ;p so i tried it |
| 06:33.07 | zakkm | isnt there console as a choice too? |
| 06:33.09 | Stskeeps | starting from 0 |
| 06:33.17 | Stskeeps | computer scientists start from 0 |
| 06:33.17 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 06:33.29 | zakkm | its off, its on .. and it adds :P |
| 06:33.45 | zakkm | 0, 1 (binary) 2,3,4, ( decimal counting ) |
| 06:34.27 | zakkm | i always thought tty1 sent to first tty? |
| 06:34.53 | zakkm | tty1 -6 and then X? |
| 06:35.23 | Stskeeps | er.. it's too early for me to remember that |
| 06:35.36 | zakkm | hah |
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| 06:35.42 | zakkm | its 2;35am for me, didnt goto bed yet |
| 06:35.49 | RST38h | moo sts |
| 06:35.51 | Stskeeps | moo RST38h |
| 06:36.10 | zakkm | Stskeeps: is the smartq a success? |
| 06:36.34 | zakkm | Stskeeps: did you see that annouced #7 ? |
| 06:37.09 | zakkm | The SmartQ 7 runs an unspecified Linux distro with specs that include WiFi, a USB-host mode, stereo speakers, and up to 2-days of music off a single charge to its 4500mAh Li-Poly battery. .... unspecified guessing thats mer? :P |
| 06:37.47 | Stskeeps | no, they run the same firmware |
| 06:37.53 | Stskeeps | not mer (yet) :P |
| 06:38.04 | Stskeeps | but yes, personally it's a success for me so far :P |
| 06:38.12 | zakkm | http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/smartq-7-is-an-internet-tablet-with-dedicated-fn/ did you see? |
| 06:38.23 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 06:38.36 | Stskeeps | i have kernel+bootloader sources for the q7 too so |
| 06:38.37 | zakkm | 4500mah.. :P |
| 06:39.00 | zakkm | and up to 2-days of music off a single charge ..... hows that done? |
| 06:39.02 | zakkm | 48 hours? |
| 06:39.04 | Stskeeps | with that scren it probably needs it |
| 06:39.26 | RST38h | nokia only has 1500 with the same screen |
| 06:39.34 | Stskeeps | 7"? |
| 06:39.40 | zakkm | the smartq7 .. has 7" screen |
| 06:39.45 | RST38h | ah, the 7" model |
| 06:39.51 | RST38h | sory |
| 06:39.56 | Stskeeps | q5 is 2000mAh :P |
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| 06:41.24 | zakkm | Stskeeps: should get a q7 for free :D |
| 06:41.39 | Stskeeps | i got a q5 for free :P |
| 06:42.00 | Stskeeps | isn't it a bit much to ask for until the project shows it's worth? :) |
| 06:42.47 | zakkm | Well it looks like it might be even cheaper than I expected. http://www.eletroworld.cn have it up for $189. |
| 06:42.54 | zakkm | ^ - found on umpcworld |
| 06:44.25 | Stskeeps | yeah, but then again the GBAX guy (famous from the pandora) claims to have them too |
| 06:44.46 | Stskeeps | also the specs on eletroworld is a bit odd |
| 06:45.28 | Stskeeps | well, ok, they have a english version of the manual |
| 06:45.29 | RST38h | oh hee go the aiplanes |
| 06:45.31 | zakkm | looks like a nice design |
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| 06:47.06 | RST38h | watches planes form his window, then hears about them on TV |
| 06:47.38 | zakkm | planes for what? |
| 06:47.47 | RST38h | zakkm: a military parade |
| 06:47.57 | Stskeeps | is it doomsday today and can i go back to bed? :P |
| 06:48.04 | zakkm | is that why i heard plans lastnight? |
| 06:48.13 | RST38h | It takes 'em about 20-30 seconds to fly from my house to the center of the city |
| 06:48.20 | RST38h | Prolly not |
| 06:48.20 | zakkm | Stskeeps: second option can be done with or without first one ;p |
| 06:48.29 | zakkm | heard planes -.- * |
| 06:48.35 | RST38h | Sts: It's doomsday. Go, sleep it over. |
| 06:48.49 | tank-man | its called synchronicity :) |
| 06:49.36 | tank-man | zakkm, so is it tty0 ? I tried pressing ctrl+alt+1 just now and had to restart X :( |
| 06:50.04 | zakkm | why? you can just do ctrl alt 7 ? or whatever X started in |
| 06:50.23 | zakkm | i always thought tty started at 1, until like 15min ago? |
| 06:50.23 | RST38h | maybe he did not know? :) |
| 06:50.32 | luke-jr | tank-man: I have that song! |
| 06:50.45 | tank-man | no, i had a blank screen after. might be somnething to do with dvi vs vga |
| 06:50.46 | zakkm | just because you switched tty, doesnt mean X is "unloaded/stopped" |
| 06:50.51 | luke-jr | listens to 'synchronicity' |
| 06:51.04 | RST38h | zakkm: his video drivers may have got confused |
| 06:51.22 | zakkm | dvi vs vga? |
| 06:51.25 | Stskeeps | tries generating 0.13 images to see how that goes. |
| 06:51.31 | zakkm | arent we talking about tablet? |
| 06:51.57 | zakkm | tank-man: did you see which one X starts at? |
| 06:52.10 | zakkm | if console/bash w.e isnt started.. it would be a blank screen |
| 06:52.13 | pupnik_ | w0w q5 cheap |
| 06:52.36 | zakkm | so only like alt f1-f5 would show console.. and 6 would be blank..and 7 would be X probably then 8 onwards might be fully blank |
| 06:53.02 | tank-man | im just refering to any linux system and i tried it on my desktop pc. console stuff only shows up on non-dvi screen for me |
| 06:53.17 | zakkm | i cant afford a dvi cable :) |
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| 06:53.31 | zakkm | never heard of that |
| 06:53.56 | zakkm | that would be weird? screen doesnt control that much does it? |
| 06:53.59 | zakkm | vga vs dvi? |
| 06:55.39 | zakkm | did you guys see http://woot.com/ ? |
| 06:55.41 | zakkm | today |
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| 06:56.14 | zakkm | "slingbox" for 59.99 |
| 06:56.53 | tank-man | yea I looked it up some more and its specific to nvidia users |
| 06:57.31 | zakkm | nvidia rules :) |
| 06:57.44 | luke-jr | fail |
| 06:57.45 | zakkm | have a 8500gt 512mb pci-e :D |
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| 07:02.42 | Macer | are there only 3 gpu makers left? |
| 07:02.47 | Macer | intel, nvidia, and ati? |
| 07:02.51 | Macer | is that's all that's left? |
| 07:03.24 | luke-jr | no |
| 07:03.29 | luke-jr | nVidia is the worst of those 3 of course |
| 07:04.02 | Macer | who else is left? |
| 07:04.08 | zakkm | :O |
| 07:04.09 | Macer | well. i suppose there is still via.. but that is pretty low end |
| 07:04.12 | zakkm | nvidia is awesome |
| 07:04.16 | luke-jr | nVidia sucks |
| 07:04.24 | zakkm | dont forget OMAP :D |
| 07:04.25 | luke-jr | Macer: I forget the other one |
| 07:04.34 | Macer | omap :) haha |
| 07:04.41 | luke-jr | OMAP doesn't count as GPU! |
| 07:04.47 | luke-jr | it's jsut a framebuffer |
| 07:04.54 | zakkm | i thought the new one has opengl ? |
| 07:05.01 | zakkm | opengl 2.0 |
| 07:05.04 | luke-jr | so does the old one |
| 07:05.09 | luke-jr | but we can't use it |
| 07:05.11 | luke-jr | so it doesn't matter |
| 07:05.22 | Macer | i like my artigo |
| 07:05.26 | Macer | sems to work well as a server |
| 07:05.28 | GeneralAntilles | Imagination Technologies, zakkm. |
| 07:05.47 | jaem | hey zakkm |
| 07:05.56 | zakkm | hey jaem :D |
| 07:06.00 | jaem | how's the headset? |
| 07:06.12 | GeneralAntilles | A lot of these are out of business, but still: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Graphics_hardware_companies |
| 07:06.28 | zakkm | beautiful, ran out of battery life so i didnt take it to my friends house |
| 07:06.40 | zakkm | Powercolor! :D |
| 07:06.43 | luke-jr | S3 |
| 07:06.46 | luke-jr | that's the one I was thinking of |
| 07:06.48 | zakkm | powervr? :P |
| 07:06.49 | Macer | s3 = via |
| 07:06.52 | jaem | zakkm: what? |
| 07:07.03 | Macer | ;) |
| 07:07.10 | luke-jr | o |
| 07:07.15 | luke-jr | S3 Chrome I hear is really nice |
| 07:07.19 | luke-jr | but hard to find |
| 07:07.23 | zakkm | jaem: i didnt get to use it today, well actually since it arrived for the most part :( |
| 07:07.31 | jaem | ah |
| 07:07.31 | zakkm | s3 chrome is terriblee |
| 07:07.36 | Macer | it sucks |
| 07:07.37 | Macer | :) |
| 07:07.43 | jaem | yeah, sorry about the missing rubber cover on the one earpiece |
| 07:07.43 | Macer | yeah.. my artigo uses a chrome |
| 07:07.48 | Macer | it is a piece of crap |
| 07:07.58 | jaem | it was under my shirt and, I guess it caught and fell off |
| 07:08.03 | Macer | i suppose it is great as an ultra small desktop... but it's horrible |
| 07:08.08 | zakkm | jaem: i only use one ear :P |
| 07:08.17 | luke-jr | Macer: a recent one? |
| 07:08.29 | Macer | sure |
| 07:08.36 | zakkm | whats the center thing for? |
| 07:08.42 | zakkm | can press it but it doesnt seem to do anything |
| 07:08.50 | zakkm | the thing that says nokia |
| 07:08.50 | Macer | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. CX700/VX700 [S3 UniChrome Pro] (rev 03) |
| 07:08.54 | jaem | it can do things if the program supports it |
| 07:09.07 | zakkm | does any maemo thing support it? |
| 07:09.14 | Macer | i guess it works pretty well in winxp :) but the linux drivers are slow as shit |
| 07:09.15 | jaem | I believe MediaBox uses it for basic audio control (next/prev/play/pause) |
| 07:09.20 | zakkm | sweet |
| 07:09.41 | Macer | i have to hand it to via though.. the picoatx is awesome |
| 07:09.49 | zakkm | macer: terrible, had it on a old server i ran with a friend omg we just went and sold the motherboard on craigslist and bought another |
| 07:09.52 | Macer | there are a lot of possibilities with having a small pc like that |
| 07:09.56 | luke-jr | Macer: maybe I'm just thinking h264 acceleration |
| 07:10.13 | jaem | I'm not exactly sure how it works - my completely unfounded guess is inaudible pulses on the mic line |
| 07:10.24 | jaem | does anybody know how the button signals the NIT? |
| 07:10.25 | Macer | video isn't important for a server |
| 07:10.28 | Macer | :) |
| 07:10.45 | luke-jr | jaem: ? |
| 07:10.46 | jaem | Macer: that's what aalib is for XD |
| 07:10.55 | jaem | luke-jr: the button on the Nokia earbuds |
| 07:10.59 | luke-jr | oh |
| 07:11.00 | zakkm | macer: it helps when remote desktop'ing i found |
| 07:11.05 | luke-jr | jaem: there's an event# thing jsut for that |
| 07:11.16 | Macer | my little artigo is a beast |
| 07:11.16 | zakkm | it was a windows server, had to use windows software |
| 07:11.17 | Macer | :) |
| 07:11.24 | luke-jr | symlink at /dev/input/by-path/platform-retu-headset-event- |
| 07:11.25 | Macer | i know via is supposed to release a newer model soon |
| 07:11.33 | jaem | there isn't a dedicated conductor on the plug for it, so I presumed that it piggybacked on the mic line |
| 07:11.40 | Macer | 1.5GHz with a gbit lan |
| 07:11.43 | jaem | luke-jr: thanks! that might be useful |
| 07:11.48 | luke-jr | jaem: it's exposed to software via that event thing :p |
| 07:11.50 | Macer | the one i have is 1.0GHz with 100mbit |
| 07:11.56 | Macer | it's great though for a low powered server |
| 07:12.06 | jaem | luke-jr: I'm wondering about the hardware level |
| 07:12.07 | luke-jr | jaem: let me know how it looks on the software side? ;) |
| 07:12.16 | jaem | one sec |
| 07:12.22 | luke-jr | or wait, this headset came w/ N810? |
| 07:12.25 | luke-jr | wonders where he put his |
| 07:12.38 | zakkm | jaem sent me one :) |
| 07:12.41 | luke-jr | crap, I think I've lost everything N810 that I don't use.. |
| 07:12.57 | Stskeeps | morning GeneralAntilles |
| 07:13.37 | Macer | zimbra is going to come out with 6.0 soon :) |
| 07:13.40 | Macer | i'm excited |
| 07:13.57 | zakkm | windows mobile 7.. hurry up :D |
| 07:13.58 | Macer | 3 of the bugs i reported are supposed to be repaired |
| 07:14.03 | Macer | haha |
| 07:14.08 | Macer | has anybody tried win7? |
| 07:14.17 | zakkm | ive had win7 rc for weeks |
| 07:14.19 | Macer | is it just vista? |
| 07:14.23 | zakkm | noo |
| 07:14.23 | Macer | with a new name? |
| 07:14.25 | Macer | hah |
| 07:14.27 | zakkm | way different |
| 07:14.30 | zakkm | proper speed too |
| 07:14.38 | zakkm | faster than xp, in most cases |
| 07:14.53 | zakkm | aero doesnt look as nice though |
| 07:14.59 | zakkm | its very static |
| 07:15.02 | radic | who are the conf-files of the apache2 package? |
| 07:15.06 | Macer | does it look like vista? |
| 07:15.24 | Macer | sounds interesting |
| 07:15.25 | zakkm | no |
| 07:15.37 | zakkm | dock just shows icon, no title |
| 07:15.43 | Macer | it has a dock? :) |
| 07:15.49 | Macer | like osx? |
| 07:15.50 | zakkm | sorry taskbar |
| 07:15.55 | zakkm | damn my mac thinking lol |
| 07:16.00 | Macer | haha |
| 07:16.05 | zakkm | http://www.appscout.com/images/Windows%207%20screen.jpg |
| 07:16.07 | Macer | i should download it and try it out |
| 07:16.33 | Macer | i don't know.. that sure looks vistaish to me |
| 07:16.46 | zakkm | http://fc07.deviantart.com/fs30/f/2008/067/0/b/Windows_7_RC1_by_aesmon11.jpg <-- i still say thats the coolest looking OS look... dont you think ( what longhorn.. the one before vista was suppose to look like ) |
| 07:17.00 | zakkm | macer: bad screenshot :( |
| 07:17.21 | Macer | lol... that thing looks just like vista |
| 07:17.27 | zakkm | did you guess see the longhorn concept video? |
| 07:17.51 | Macer | ok... the 2nd one looks better |
| 07:17.54 | zakkm | i would of left mac for it :( |
| 07:18.08 | zakkm | 2nd one = what vista was suppose to look like |
| 07:18.17 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: aww, still no debug output :< |
| 07:18.24 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: hmm |
| 07:18.30 | Macer | well.. they were supposed to release this right ? but decided they would release vista instead? |
| 07:18.32 | Stskeeps | and you inserted fbcon as a =y and not =m? |
| 07:18.37 | zakkm | macer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJdaODYetuk&feature=related <-- goto 1min 2 seconds |
| 07:18.38 | *** join/#maemo mardi__ (n=mardi_@host81-146-18-52.btremoteinternet-dsl.bt.net) |
| 07:18.43 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: =m, and copied the module to the initfs |
| 07:18.43 | zakkm | and watch |
| 07:19.07 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: ah no, =y |
| 07:19.10 | luke-jr | :/ |
| 07:19.14 | luke-jr | fbcon.ko works for .21 |
| 07:19.19 | zakkm | macer: the video will show you more , and video was done in 2006 ... they were making longhorn.. gave up on it then made vista.. thats why it took so long to go from xp to vista |
| 07:19.28 | Stskeeps | sure it does but you want the kernel using it as a console |
| 07:19.34 | zakkm | macer: it wasnt 5 years making vista or w.e it was only like 2.. they gave up on the old project |
| 07:19.57 | luke-jr | oooh, I see |
| 07:20.06 | zakkm | macer: that vidd... "Coming oct 2003 " lol |
| 07:20.13 | zakkm | macer: real by the way |
| 07:20.19 | *** join/#maemo trofi (n=slyfox@93.85.108.28) |
| 07:20.45 | Macer | yeah haha |
| 07:20.52 | zakkm | did it watch? |
| 07:20.58 | Macer | they were supposed to have been doing the win7 thing years ago |
| 07:21.03 | Macer | but they scrapped it for vista |
| 07:21.06 | zakkm | doesnt that look so sick? |
| 07:21.36 | Macer | i guess it was easier for them to use xp and mod the desktop and release it as a new OS than work on the newer one |
| 07:21.57 | zakkm | i think thatvideo they did, was the coolest OS of all times :P |
| 07:21.58 | Macer | that is a nice looking video though |
| 07:22.10 | *** join/#maemo Shadow__X (n=Good@RH-LaurelN-CS1-129-66.njit.edu) |
| 07:22.10 | zakkm | i would lovee to use that |
| 07:22.21 | Macer | but i remember that ms was supposed to release this and instead the world got vista |
| 07:22.41 | Macer | vista was supposed to have a much better 3d desktop |
| 07:22.53 | zakkm | i think that looks better, dont you? |
| 07:22.57 | Macer | with the ablility to angle windows and what not.. instead it was xp with transparent borders on the windows |
| 07:23.10 | Macer | yeah... i am goig to download it now and try it out :) |
| 07:23.36 | zakkm | that would of really sold, especially in 2003 |
| 07:23.46 | jaem | I tried the (beta?) for about an hour |
| 07:23.58 | zakkm | jaem: beta of what? |
| 07:24.03 | jaem | win7 |
| 07:24.18 | jaem | it was better than Vista, for sure, but - I don't know - Windows just annoys me |
| 07:24.20 | zakkm | its not much different now, just more stable / faster |
| 07:24.42 | Macer | Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate x64 RC Build 7100 |
| 07:24.45 | Macer | is that the latest? |
| 07:24.50 | jaem | I can use it, but it gets to me after a little while of use |
| 07:24.50 | zakkm | lol |
| 07:24.54 | jaem | mostly just small things |
| 07:24.59 | zakkm | Macer: i had that for like a month and a bit |
| 07:24.59 | zakkm | lol |
| 07:25.01 | pupnik_ | fuck microsoft with an IED |
| 07:25.15 | Macer | heh |
| 07:25.15 | jaem | in comparison, I've run into more serious issues occasionally with Linux, but it just "clicks" with me |
| 07:25.21 | zakkm | but yeah, can get it officially |
| 07:25.28 | jaem | one amusing note about Win7, though |
| 07:25.28 | zakkm | at microsoft site |
| 07:25.42 | Macer | you can download the rc officially? |
| 07:25.46 | Macer | :) |
| 07:25.46 | zakkm | yeah |
| 07:25.47 | zakkm | since may 5th |
| 07:25.53 | jaem | the first time I tried it, the logoff sound crashed, and blocked the logout with an error message |
| 07:25.53 | *** join/#maemo greentux (n=lemke@BAA3614.baa.pppool.de) |
| 07:25.55 | zakkm | expires in august/ next year in august |
| 07:25.57 | Macer | no shit huh.. is that their way of massive beta testing? |
| 07:26.05 | zakkm | most likely august 2010 |
| 07:26.16 | zakkm | yup :) |
| 07:26.25 | zakkm | im surprised maemo doesnt do that :P |
| 07:26.34 | zakkm | why doesnt maemo have a bug report button anyways? :P |
| 07:26.40 | zakkm | "send to maemo team" when something crashes |
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| 07:26.42 | jaem | zakkm: on-device? |
| 07:26.44 | luke-jr | because it's perfect |
| 07:26.46 | luke-jr | is has no bugs |
| 07:26.48 | luke-jr | ever |
| 07:26.51 | jaem | right... |
| 07:26.53 | luke-jr | LOL |
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| 07:27.04 | zakkm | i get crashes all the time |
| 07:27.06 | zakkm | mostly tear though |
| 07:27.07 | luke-jr | >_< |
| 07:27.08 | jaem | except for the three I reported that likely won't ever get fixed |
| 07:27.14 | jaem | now, anyway |
| 07:27.22 | jaem | lol |
| 07:27.23 | Macer | haha |
| 07:27.24 | zakkm | not feature stuff, just crash reports |
| 07:27.28 | jaem | oh well, Mer's better IMO anyhow |
| 07:27.39 | Macer | well.. supposed to use mer from now on :) |
| 07:27.40 | Macer | haha |
| 07:27.41 | zakkm | did you see early aero? |
| 07:27.52 | Macer | aero is garbage |
| 07:27.53 | luke-jr | uses Gentoo. |
| 07:27.55 | Macer | :) |
| 07:28.17 | jaem | zakkm: some people find them annoying, and I would expect (just guessing) that it puts more load on the triagers |
| 07:28.18 | zakkm | uses Mac and have been for about a year now, and is never going back to any other OS |
| 07:28.27 | luke-jr | zakkm: you run Mac on your N810? |
| 07:28.30 | zakkm | no |
| 07:28.35 | jaem | luke-jr: sure, why not? |
| 07:28.40 | jaem | :D |
| 07:28.43 | zakkm | cant? |
| 07:28.46 | luke-jr | jaem: I think b-man said it was slow |
| 07:28.47 | trofi | [: |
| 07:28.48 | jaem | wasn't b-man working on Vista ;) |
| 07:28.51 | zakkm | noo |
| 07:28.54 | zakkm | b-man started darwin |
| 07:28.58 | zakkm | not mac i thought |
| 07:29.02 | Macer | you hav eto join some technet plus garbage to get the official rc? |
| 07:29.04 | Macer | screw that |
| 07:29.07 | luke-jr | zakkm: Mac OS 8 IIRC |
| 07:29.08 | zakkm | noo |
| 07:29.12 | zakkm | macer: looking in wrong place |
| 07:29.14 | jaem | there is an emulator for the ancient Mac versions, though |
| 07:29.19 | zakkm | vmac? |
| 07:29.19 | jaem | I tried Win 3.1 in DosBox |
| 07:29.26 | zakkm | mac os 8 is oldd ;p |
| 07:29.26 | Macer | that was ms site |
| 07:29.35 | luke-jr | jaem: Win3.1 runs in DosBoxâ |
| 07:29.42 | jaem | luke-jr: sort of |
| 07:29.45 | luke-jr | O.o |
| 07:29.50 | jaem | I couldn't get the pointercal to work (in Dosbox itself) |
| 07:29.56 | Macer | http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/download.aspx |
| 07:29.57 | Macer | there it is |
| 07:30.02 | zakkm | macer: https://login.live.com/login.srf?wa=wsignin1.0&rpsnv=10&ct=1241854192&rver=5.0.3265.0&wp=MCMBI&wreply=https:%2F%2Fprofile.microsoft.com%2FRegSysProfileCenter%2Fwizard.aspx%3Fwizid%3D9ae77f00-f3ab-4076-a365-8300676a7144%26lcid%3D1033%26FU%3Dhttps:%2F%2Fwww.microsoft.com%2Fbetaexperience%2Fscripts%2Fgcs.aspx%3FProduct%3Dcons-win7rc-64-ww%2526Lcid%3D1033&lc=1033&cb=LCID%3D1033%26WizID%3D9ae77f00-f3ab-4076-a365-8300676 |
| 07:30.07 | zakkm | oh snap sorry! |
| 07:30.13 | luke-jr | Macer: wheere's the official torrent? |
| 07:30.22 | jaem | and my tablet laid charges against me for assault (on battery) |
| 07:30.23 | Macer | i don't use torrents |
| 07:30.33 | jaem | yes, pun intended; no, it didn't work |
| 07:30.56 | zakkm | is dosbox good? |
| 07:30.58 | jaem | Macer: but the MPAA is endorsing TPB these days - didn't you hear? |
| 07:31.04 | jaem | zakkm: yes, for dos apps |
| 07:31.04 | zakkm | never tried it, on desktop or tablet |
| 07:31.12 | Macer | you have to sign up for a msn acct to download it |
| 07:31.13 | Macer | screw that |
| 07:31.17 | zakkm | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:31.22 | jaem | Macer: http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-website-now-with-torrents-090502/ |
| 07:31.24 | jaem | hehe |
| 07:31.26 | zakkm | how well would cd dos games work? |
| 07:31.34 | Macer | no thanks... torrents are slow as shit |
| 07:31.36 | zakkm | i guess that might be going too far |
| 07:31.41 | jaem | zakkm: cd as in CD? |
| 07:31.45 | Macer | torrents are so 1990s |
| 07:31.47 | zakkm | yeah |
| 07:31.51 | zakkm | irc ftw! |
| 07:32.00 | Macer | irc is so early 1990s ;) |
| 07:32.07 | tank-man | usenet ftw ! |
| 07:32.09 | luke-jr | IRC is more like 1980s |
| 07:32.12 | jaem | well, you could mount an ISO somewhere, then map it to D:\ in dosbox |
| 07:32.19 | jaem | that would likely work |
| 07:32.25 | zakkm | yeah im thinking it wont be a good game for tablet though ;p |
| 07:32.27 | Macer | ms wants you to create an msn acct just to download the rc |
| 07:32.32 | Macer | what bullshit heh |
| 07:32.33 | zakkm | macer: nooo |
| 07:32.35 | jaem | yep |
| 07:32.36 | zakkm | it wants a passport |
| 07:32.41 | jaem | fair point |
| 07:32.42 | zakkm | which you can get using gmail and such |
| 07:32.44 | jaem | but still close enough |
| 07:32.46 | Macer | screw that |
| 07:32.48 | jaem | it's still through MS |
| 07:32.52 | jaem | just with a different address |
| 07:32.59 | Macer | that's all i want is a bunch of goddamn ms crap being sent to me |
| 07:33.06 | jaem | luckily, they aren't stupid enough to require that address' credentials :S |
| 07:33.10 | zakkm | macer: just google a directlink ;p |
| 07:33.16 | zakkm | the official directlink |
| 07:33.20 | zakkm | then google a serial |
| 07:33.21 | Macer | they are worse than my long lost ancient indian prince cousin trying to give me money |
| 07:33.30 | jaem | hey, I know that guy |
| 07:33.31 | zakkm | :O |
| 07:33.38 | jaem | my fortune is on its way |
| 07:33.39 | zakkm | does that mean we're related? :D |
| 07:33.53 | Macer | zakkm: don't know. i'm still waiting on my diamond stash |
| 07:33.56 | luke-jr | XD |
| 07:33.59 | jaem | all he wanted was my credit card number! |
| 07:34.14 | Macer | yeah.. all i needed to give him was my bank acct number and routing number! |
| 07:34.17 | Macer | :) |
| 07:34.26 | zakkm | i messaged back asking for a family discount :D |
| 07:34.30 | Macer | so he could deposit my diamond fortune directly into my account |
| 07:34.48 | jaem | nice! |
| 07:34.58 | Macer | any day now i should see my millions |
| 07:35.23 | Macer | i wonder how many people fall for those sort of spams |
| 07:35.27 | zakkm | alot |
| 07:35.28 | jaem | yeah |
| 07:35.30 | zakkm | i read a book on it |
| 07:35.33 | jaem | obviously some |
| 07:35.33 | Macer | really? |
| 07:35.44 | Macer | i just can't see people being that stupid |
| 07:35.50 | zakkm | there was one person, he did it... got caught years later.. went to jail.. the police told everyone he scammed |
| 07:35.56 | jaem | have you seen the "Has your credit card number been stolen on the Internet? Enter it here to check!" banner? |
| 07:35.58 | Stskeeps | Macer: i lost faith in humanity early on |
| 07:35.59 | zakkm | and yet, until this day, well book age... they still sent him money |
| 07:36.01 | jaem | people are pretty stupid |
| 07:36.15 | Macer | Stskeeps: haha |
| 07:36.24 | Macer | yeah.. that's pretty bad |
| 07:36.36 | Macer | anybody who falls for something like that deserves to be eliminated from the gene pool |
| 07:37.00 | Macer | let me see if i have any of those in my gmail spam |
| 07:37.12 | Stskeeps | Macer: saw my SmartQ5 yet btw? |
| 07:37.21 | zakkm | keeps all his hotmail emails, has about 6000 + unread msgs in his hotmail account |
| 07:37.25 | jaem | I get spam trying to sell me cheap semiconductors |
| 07:37.29 | Macer | Stskeeps: ? |
| 07:37.32 | jaem | I wonder what that says about me... |
| 07:37.33 | luke-jr | zakkm: I have about 6000 in my inbox alone |
| 07:37.36 | Macer | what is a smartq5? |
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| 07:37.52 | Stskeeps | Macer: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/img-1.jpg |
| 07:38.02 | Stskeeps | (your tablet on top and the smartq below. ignore scale, screen size is same) |
| 07:38.17 | zakkm | eww mer :D |
| 07:38.24 | Macer | hey.. is that the new one ? :) |
| 07:38.27 | jaem | night! |
| 07:38.28 | Macer | awesome |
| 07:38.32 | zakkm | night jaem |
| 07:38.33 | Macer | glad it's doing some good for you ;) |
| 07:38.56 | Stskeeps | yeah.. i need to find some kind of purpose for the old tablet though |
| 07:38.56 | Macer | how is it working out for you Stskeeps ? |
| 07:39.10 | zakkm | Stskeeps: i can give it a good home :) |
| 07:39.20 | Macer | hah.. well.. that is a nice n800 i gave you ;) i tried to keep it well maintained |
| 07:39.23 | Stskeeps | zakkm: my lcd scrolling tablet |
| 07:39.31 | Stskeeps | Macer: yeah, it seems to work nicely so far :) |
| 07:40.00 | Macer | yeah. i loved it until i got my G1 ;) |
| 07:40.04 | zakkm | we should go back to some kindergarten lessons, taking turns :D |
| 07:40.08 | Macer | the qwerty really makes a difference |
| 07:40.10 | zakkm | eww G1 |
| 07:40.21 | Macer | zakkm: all the g1 needs is bt hid support |
| 07:40.29 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: it's trying to use /lib/modules/current/ instead of /lib/modules/ACTUAL_VERSION |
| 07:40.30 | Macer | and it will be great |
| 07:40.31 | luke-jr | :/ |
| 07:40.42 | zakkm | your have a bt thing better than the physical keyboard? |
| 07:40.46 | zakkm | that makes it worthwhile? |
| 07:40.58 | zakkm | luke-jr: cant you symlink? |
| 07:41.14 | Stskeeps | isn't regretting his last.fm subscription so far |
| 07:41.17 | luke-jr | zakkm: then it will break if I boot the other kernel :/ |
| 07:41.28 | zakkm | luke-jr: wait, shouldnt it already be symlinked? |
| 07:41.37 | zakkm | i ran into a problem last week at a friends house |
| 07:41.37 | luke-jr | zakkm: I have two different kernels |
| 07:41.45 | zakkm | trying to think what i did |
| 07:41.49 | Macer | what is up with all this damn drug spam |
| 07:41.53 | *** join/#maemo lbt (n=david@78.32.229.233) |
| 07:41.55 | Macer | like pharmacies? |
| 07:41.57 | luke-jr | I'm not getting drug spam lately |
| 07:42.00 | luke-jr | just sex spam |
| 07:42.05 | Macer | "get drugs at low prices" |
| 07:42.21 | zakkm | thinks luke-jr should start reading his spam :) |
| 07:42.38 | zakkm | thinks luke-jr should press the "not spam" button |
| 07:42.41 | luke-jr | Aphroodisiac Foods For Better Lovemaking |
| 07:42.49 | zakkm | lol |
| 07:42.59 | luke-jr | Female Orgasms - Biggest Culpprit Preventing You From Giving Your Woman Mind-Blowing Orgasms |
| 07:43.03 | Macer | haha |
| 07:43.09 | zakkm | its funny, i been getting those since i was 8, young age for such things eh? :P |
| 07:43.13 | Stskeeps | yeah, i'm getting a lot of those |
| 07:43.14 | luke-jr | Tyhe Forgotten Art of Seduction |
| 07:43.21 | Macer | well... i don't have any prince from nigeria trying to give me my fortunes |
| 07:43.22 | Stskeeps | as in, sex spam, not female orgasms |
| 07:43.23 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 07:43.26 | luke-jr | zakkm: why shouldn't I keep them in spam? |
| 07:43.29 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: XD |
| 07:43.30 | Macer | which is odd.. that one seems pretty standard |
| 07:43.47 | zakkm | luke-jr: i was referring to it being a good read // i was joking.. |
| 07:44.19 | luke-jr | zakkm: they're all just images of some sort that I don't load |
| 07:44.40 | Macer | wtf is a pilule pack? |
| 07:44.40 | luke-jr | and my wife's still waiting for me in bed nearly every night |
| 07:44.45 | luke-jr | so dont' really need spam advice |
| 07:44.46 | luke-jr | :p |
| 07:45.12 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: so any idea on "current"? |
| 07:45.19 | zakkm | did anyone see the lottery scam? |
| 07:45.25 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: are you trying to boot maemo or gentoo? |
| 07:45.33 | zakkm | rightt you guys are older ;p |
| 07:45.33 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: Gentoo, right now |
| 07:45.39 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: I don't want to break Maemo tho |
| 07:45.49 | *** join/#maemo doc|work (n=doc@gentoo/contributor/doc-007) |
| 07:45.53 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: oh, right, initfs probably uses current |
| 07:46.12 | luke-jr | x.x |
| 07:46.28 | Stskeeps | on 770 i just booted straight from mmc |
| 07:46.35 | Stskeeps | and used solca's boot scripts |
| 07:46.46 | luke-jr | so it does |
| 07:47.10 | Stskeeps | as in no initfsf |
| 07:48.10 | luke-jr | ok, initfs hacked to use uname -r dir⦠|
| 07:48.22 | luke-jr | hopefully that won't blow up on me |
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| 07:51.38 | luke-jr | bah |
| 07:51.40 | luke-jr | kernel BUG |
| 07:51.42 | luke-jr | whatever |
| 07:51.47 | luke-jr | stupid thing scrolls way too fast |
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| 08:00.13 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: no /dev/mmcblkNpN :/ |
| 08:00.17 | luke-jr | oh well, TOMORROW |
| 08:00.19 | luke-jr | <.< |
| 08:01.46 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: i think i knew mmc support was dead |
| 08:02.12 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: ââ |
| 08:02.21 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: there was some issue on MMC support |
| 08:02.24 | Stskeeps | stlc45xx mentions it |
| 08:02.36 | luke-jr | what does stlc45xx have to do with MMC? :/ |
| 08:02.47 | Stskeeps | it has a comment on what the later kernels break |
| 08:03.17 | Meizirkki | now that's why nitdorid acts weird with memory cards... |
| 08:03.25 | Meizirkki | *nitdroid |
| 08:03.39 | zakkm | hey guys, is it a good idea since im booted off sdhc, that i should install 48mhz kernel? |
| 08:04.15 | Stskeeps | you can see if it helps. n800 or n810? |
| 08:04.27 | zakkm | n800 |
| 08:04.57 | zakkm | dont want to go through the hassle if its not worth it |
| 08:05.13 | Stskeeps | test it out i guess |
| 08:05.27 | zakkm | might be worse though hah, i have no way to check |
| 08:05.39 | zakkm | guess i can hdparm before and after though |
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| 08:12.05 | LiraNuna | /var/lib/dpkg/info/tablet-gdm-autologin.postinst: 4: cannot open /etc/gdm/gdm.conf.template: No such file |
| 08:12.09 | LiraNuna | anyone have a clue? |
| 08:12.15 | LiraNuna | while configuring tablet-gdm-autologin |
| 08:15.50 | zakkm | LiraNuna: is gdm installed? |
| 08:16.06 | LiraNuna | zakkm, I just installed ubuntu-desktop |
| 08:16.18 | zakkm | LiraNuna: if not / yes... just nano -w /etc/gdm/gdm.conf.template and leave a space... and then save |
| 08:16.24 | zakkm | and re"apt"" ? |
| 08:16.32 | zakkm | or dpkg --configure -a .. might do in this case |
| 08:16.33 | LiraNuna | touch /etc/gdm/gdm.conf.template |
| 08:16.39 | zakkm | or that ;p |
| 08:16.45 | zakkm | its 4;16am , about to sleep :P |
| 08:16.58 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: how tired are you right now? |
| 08:17.11 | zakkm | do dpkg --configure -a .. it should redo the tablet-gdm configure |
| 08:17.14 | LiraNuna | Stskeeps, so tired I typed a terminal command here |
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| 08:17.39 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: k - else i would tell you how to adjust the mer imager to spit out ubuntu images instead :P |
| 08:17.39 | LiraNuna | Stskeeps, why? you need anything? |
| 08:18.00 | zakkm | Stskeeps: what did you just say? |
| 08:18.42 | zakkm | like in simpler words |
| 08:18.57 | Stskeeps | zakkm: the imager scripts we use to create mer on n8x0 can just as well make ubuntu images. |
| 08:19.33 | zakkm | make true ubuntu arm? |
| 08:19.56 | zakkm | that wouldnt have the drivers and such though would it? |
| 08:20.07 | zakkm | omap kernel and all? |
| 08:20.10 | Stskeeps | more like a simple image that doesn't take a arm and a leg and your firstborn |
| 08:20.12 | LiraNuna | and just my luck, rebooted and I got ubuntu splash stopped at ~15% |
| 08:20.23 | zakkm | LiraNuna: reboot |
| 08:20.26 | zakkm | go back into it ;p |
| 08:20.50 | LiraNuna | chroot? |
| 08:21.35 | zakkm | no |
| 08:21.40 | zakkm | like just boot it again |
| 08:21.44 | zakkm | like 2nd times a charm? |
| 08:21.50 | LiraNuna | hehe |
| 08:23.15 | LiraNuna | seem to stuck at the same location |
| 08:23.28 | LiraNuna | either that or it's doing something reeeeaaaallly heavy there |
| 08:23.58 | zakkm | you could boot without screen i think |
| 08:24.07 | zakkm | like the splash |
| 08:24.16 | LiraNuna | I couldn't get deblet to do it |
| 08:24.24 | LiraNuna | oh wow it continues |
| 08:24.34 | LiraNuna | I pressed the power button |
| 08:24.38 | LiraNuna | and it continues |
| 08:24.39 | zakkm | heh ;p |
| 08:24.42 | zakkm | held it? |
| 08:24.48 | LiraNuna | rapid click |
| 08:25.00 | LiraNuna | I hope it's a first time boot up thing |
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| 08:25.38 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: if you want to maintain a Ubuntu-on-N8x0 thing on OBS i can probably help you to do that |
| 08:25.41 | zakkm | ubuntu makes boot caches doesnt it? |
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| 08:27.15 | LiraNuna | I'd love to, straind` |
| 08:27.18 | LiraNuna | Stskeeps,* |
| 08:27.21 | zakkm | gnome would probably be slow ;p |
| 08:27.23 | LiraNuna | tab complete fail |
| 08:27.34 | LiraNuna | zakkm, it was comparable to hildon on deblet |
| 08:27.46 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: fair enough, sign up on https://build.opensuse.org/ as starters |
| 08:28.05 | zakkm | whats the advantage of obs? |
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| 08:28.51 | Stskeeps | zakkm: no scratchbox for starters.. |
| 08:29.16 | zakkm | everything you need would be in repository though, wont it? |
| 08:29.19 | Stskeeps | also after seeing https://build.opensuse.org/project/monitor?project=Maemo%3AMer%3ADevel (need login) you start to realize how cool it is |
| 08:29.56 | LiraNuna | there |
| 08:30.30 | zakkm | is opensuse's distro making out yet? |
| 08:31.02 | LiraNuna | I've heard Fedora are going ARM too, but I'm not a fan of RPM |
| 08:31.58 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: take a look at https://build.opensuse.org/project/monitor?project=Maemo%3AMer%3ADevel%3AHW%3AN8x0 and see what packages are needed on top of a typical ubuntu debootstrap in addition to these to do a sane ubuntu system |
| 08:32.04 | Stskeeps | you can probably get that from b-man's guide |
| 08:32.52 | Stskeeps | and i'll adjust the imager to work with that |
| 08:33.37 | Stskeeps | then we can get a image that's installable with the mer installer :P |
| 08:34.10 | pupnik_ | cool |
| 08:34.26 | LiraNuna | :o |
| 08:35.35 | pupnik_ | go 4 it |
| 08:36.32 | Stskeeps | i'd have have a sane image than a bunch of people throwing themselves at the guide and miserably failing. |
| 08:36.59 | Stskeeps | +rather |
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| 08:37.25 | Stskeeps | (we recently seperated the N8x0 from the Mer.) |
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| 08:40.40 | LiraNuna | Stskeeps, I'm afraid to do anything... how can I 'add' a package or what should I aim for? |
| 08:41.11 | zakkm | LiraNuna: isnt apt-get possible? |
| 08:41.16 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: quite simple, add a package, adjust description, name, and add a .dsc .tar.gz and optionally .diff.gz :) |
| 08:41.20 | zakkm | ohh in obs |
| 08:41.21 | Stskeeps | you can make a "Home project" |
| 08:41.25 | Stskeeps | wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build is a good starter |
| 08:42.13 | LiraNuna | long list is long |
| 08:42.22 | LiraNuna | 2am, I'll look into it tomorrow |
| 08:42.25 | Stskeeps | k |
| 08:42.30 | LiraNuna | I'd rather not wreck anything |
| 08:42.38 | LiraNuna | loves to help |
| 08:43.11 | Stskeeps | you can't without permissions anyway :P |
| 08:44.08 | zakkm | 2am? so lucky ;P |
| 08:44.12 | zakkm | im sitting at almost 5am |
| 08:44.16 | zakkm | i should goto bed soon :D |
| 08:44.52 | LiraNuna | I wake up at 08:00 |
| 08:45.04 | LiraNuna | oh wait it's weekend |
| 08:45.45 | zakkm | i wake up at 3pm everyday :P |
| 08:47.39 | LiraNuna | once I get this working, I'll dpkg -l |
| 08:52.53 | LiraNuna | I've noticed ubuntu install useless tablet stuff such as dvd-rw-tools, so I'll be cleaning up after that |
| 08:53.46 | Stskeeps | who knows if you connect one on usb hub |
| 08:53.46 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:55.37 | LiraNuna | what's the likelyhood? |
| 08:55.38 | Macer | blah.. my gf and i are having a spat |
| 08:55.45 | zakkm | LiraNuna: its ubuntu its not ubuntu tablet , and ubuntu has burning program which needs dvd-rw-tools. |
| 08:55.58 | LiraNuna | zakkm, which will be removed :) |
| 08:56.06 | Macer | women are a pain sometimes |
| 08:56.09 | LiraNuna | at least for bloat-less nitbuntu |
| 08:56.16 | Macer | although putting myself in her shoes so am i :) |
| 08:56.18 | zakkm | Macer: be glad you have someone :P *is all alone* |
| 08:56.32 | Macer | sometimes alone is better |
| 08:56.33 | Macer | ;) |
| 08:56.48 | zakkm | well at this rate, ill never be able to find out myself ;p |
| 08:56.48 | Macer | i don't think my gf and i are going to last much longer... i give up |
| 08:57.12 | Macer | zakkm: go talk to a girl and maybe you will find some progress |
| 08:57.49 | zakkm | hah truthfully its a long distance thing, but still leaves me alone :( like locally sort of thing |
| 08:58.26 | Stskeeps | yeah, if i can find a fiancee, so can any nerd. |
| 08:58.43 | zakkm | Stskeeps: you bring inspiration to nerds everywhere :D |
| 08:58.51 | zakkm | Macer too :) |
| 08:59.23 | zakkm | although every tech person i know is going to be married/is married? |
| 08:59.33 | zakkm | .* |
| 09:00.22 | zakkm | Stskeeps: how do you find time? |
| 09:00.33 | zakkm | i always see you like on here |
| 09:00.59 | LiraNuna | <Stskeeps> yeah, if i can find a fiancee, so can any nerd. |
| 09:01.00 | LiraNuna | word |
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| 09:01.22 | LiraNuna | <- happily married nerd with geek gamer girl |
| 09:01.42 | zakkm | omg i need friends my age. |
| 09:01.45 | zakkm | lol |
| 09:02.00 | zakkm | *joins some teen irc channel* |
| 09:02.21 | Stskeeps | my gf is 3 years older than me, heh |
| 09:02.31 | zakkm | not bad |
| 09:02.45 | LiraNuna | I won't get into mine's |
| 09:02.55 | Stskeeps | and my first gf was 2 years younger |
| 09:03.11 | zakkm | LiraNuna: that statement makes it sound worse than it probably is. |
| 09:03.21 | zakkm | how old are you guys? |
| 09:03.27 | LiraNuna | I'm 21 |
| 09:03.39 | Stskeeps | 24 |
| 09:03.49 | zakkm | LiraNuna: how long you been married? |
| 09:03.57 | LiraNuna | zakkm, uh, 2 years...? |
| 09:04.01 | zakkm | Stskeeps: 24 and 27 doesnt seem that bad |
| 09:04.04 | zakkm | wow |
| 09:04.09 | LiraNuna | my life's weird |
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| 09:04.13 | zakkm | im 18, and still hah no where near thinking of marriage |
| 09:04.44 | LiraNuna | please, my life is weird, but I'm happy |
| 09:05.00 | zakkm | the important part :P |
| 09:05.15 | LiraNuna | I don't care what society says,, |
| 09:05.21 | zakkm | ? |
| 09:05.26 | zakkm | about what? |
| 09:05.45 | LiraNuna | my wife is older than me |
| 09:05.56 | zakkm | how much so? |
| 09:06.05 | zakkm | and yet a "geek gamer" ? |
| 09:06.06 | LiraNuna | double my age.. |
| 09:06.12 | zakkm | at 42 ? |
| 09:06.15 | zakkm | a gamer? |
| 09:06.19 | LiraNuna | yes |
| 09:06.21 | LiraNuna | and a coer |
| 09:06.24 | LiraNuna | coder* |
| 09:06.47 | zakkm | interesting |
| 09:06.54 | Stskeeps | heh, its first 50+ it gets awkward |
| 09:07.18 | LiraNuna | bleh |
| 09:07.40 | zakkm | maybe i keep thinking of my parents cause they are in their 50s and my dad cant watch games ( hurts his eyes too much ) and my mom pfft.. so maybe im comparing to that but a 42 year old gamer. |
| 09:07.42 | LiraNuna | so uh, Stskeeps, will a dpkg -l of a working system help |
| 09:07.45 | zakkm | never seen |
| 09:07.55 | zakkm | whats is l ? |
| 09:08.04 | LiraNuna | list all installed packages |
| 09:08.13 | LiraNuna | Stskeeps, asuming all config files are default |
| 09:08.17 | LiraNuna | *assuming |
| 09:08.20 | zakkm | Stskeeps: 2. n8x0: switching to fbdev instead of omapfb for now (Stskeeps) <-- is that faster? |
| 09:08.29 | zakkm | fbdev? |
| 09:08.47 | zakkm | dev as in "nightly" ? |
| 09:09.00 | LiraNuna | fbdev = frame-buffer-device |
| 09:09.11 | LiraNuna | not dev[elopment] |
| 09:09.16 | zakkm | oh right pfft |
| 09:09.24 | zakkm | so tired |
| 09:09.27 | zakkm | its 5am |
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| 09:11.53 | LiraNuna | anyone knows how the N810 differs fingers from stylus? |
| 09:12.29 | LiraNuna | does the touchscreen provide pressure sensitivity? |
| 09:12.33 | lcuk | yes it does |
| 09:12.54 | LiraNuna | please don't tell me it's closed source |
| 09:12.55 | lcuk | where does the 810 differentiate tho? |
| 09:12.56 | zakkm | is there any way to make it super sensitive? |
| 09:13.06 | zakkm | like screen calibration trick or something |
| 09:13.40 | lcuk | zakkm, you can only play with the reported figures - if when touching your screen its not registered by the hardware, no tricks will work |
| 09:14.03 | zakkm | soemtimes when i type though, soem keys dont get pressed |
| 09:14.13 | zakkm | and i swear i pressed them, but its like its not enough |
| 09:14.25 | lcuk | well thats exactly it |
| 09:14.46 | lcuk | i have a dodgy old 810 here that is not finger sensitive at all |
| 09:14.57 | lcuk | i have to press fairly hard with stylus |
| 09:15.38 | zakkm | i read on forum if you do screen calibration.. and push really hard.. it makes it more sensitive, but i dont think i trust that hah |
| 09:15.56 | lcuk | i wouldnt either |
| 09:16.40 | lcuk | it might be true, but for something like that i would prefer official confirmation in documentation or somewhere |
| 09:17.04 | zakkm | i tried i had nothing to lose basically but it could easily be a placebo / didnt notice a difference |
| 09:17.18 | lcuk | heh |
| 09:17.41 | zakkm | LiraNuna: also, you can make it always start finger, if you dont like stylus.. btw in control panel |
| 09:17.56 | LiraNuna | zakkm, yeah, I got that already. really love it |
| 09:18.00 | zakkm | LiraNuna: or vice versa |
| 09:18.20 | LiraNuna | if(finger) useFingerKeyboard(); else useStylusKeyboard(); |
| 09:18.45 | zakkm | too tired hah |
| 09:19.14 | LiraNuna | hehe, don't worry |
| 09:19.27 | LiraNuna | <- N810WE newbie |
| 09:29.59 | RST38h | heya lcuk |
| 09:30.15 | lcuk | mornin RST38h \o how goes it |
| 09:30.42 | lcuk | anyone know how i make grep work on multiple recursive folders |
| 09:31.15 | lcuk | is still used to F3 search :$ |
| 09:32.25 | LiraNuna | what do you want to search? file name or file content? |
| 09:32.33 | RST38h | "Anyone who has entered the containment zone should be watched very carefully; our data reports that most people are drawn in by the whispers, and those that aren't may be already under the Object's control and carrying out its will." |
| 09:32.42 | mikkov_ | lcuk: grep -R |
| 09:32.42 | pupnik_ | grep -r |
| 09:32.42 | RST38h | lcuk: Slowly |
| 09:32.44 | lcuk | contents with *.c but in quite a few folders |
| 09:32.51 | RST38h | lcuk: -r should do the job |
| 09:32.53 | lcuk | excellent :D ty |
| 09:32.57 | RST38h | or find + grep |
| 09:34.02 | RST38h | "The equipment provided to the grunts includes an explosive charge in the headset, set to trigger if they are the last one left alive in the room." |
| 09:35.08 | lcuk | mmm "grep -r blah *.c" expands the * args before passing into grep tho, and doesnt find anything, leaving off the *.c just makes it hang (or its searching some folder) |
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| 09:36.05 | lcuk | how do i do the find thing? with backticks and weird stuff? |
| 09:36.27 | RST38h | black magic |
| 09:36.48 | RST38h | gimme a moment, I will find the find+grep recipe |
| 09:37.03 | LiraNuna | find . | grep -E "*.c" |
| 09:37.03 | LiraNuna | ? |
| 09:37.11 | LiraNuna | probably wrong though |
| 09:37.19 | LiraNuna | don't trust a coder at 3am |
| 09:37.29 | lcuk | never trust a coder full stop |
| 09:37.29 | RST38h | find <dire> -exec grep <keyword> {} \; |
| 09:37.40 | RST38h | here |
| 09:37.47 | LiraNuna | lcuk, :( |
| 09:37.56 | lcuk | ta guys :$ |
| 09:38.18 | zakkm | is so glad he never went further than grade 10 programming. |
| 09:38.44 | pupnik_ | don't forget the \; |
| 09:38.54 | lcuk | lolol busybox find doesnt know about exec, lemme see if i can jimmy it |
| 09:39.20 | LiraNuna | TIMMY |
| 09:39.25 | pupnik_ | do we have a clean metapackage to replace busybox? |
| 09:39.34 | LiraNuna | bash |
| 09:39.38 | lcuk | yeah its called mer |
| 09:39.47 | pupnik_ | LiraNuna: no |
| 09:39.50 | LiraNuna | but whoever configured it made a terrible job of colors and weird stuff |
| 09:39.56 | LiraNuna | so I won't recommend it |
| 09:40.30 | lcuk | its ok, ill just make a script, theres only a few folders :$ ta for trying, but busybox one wont even accept args like needed |
| 09:41.03 | zakkm | you can change the bash config? :P |
| 09:41.21 | LiraNuna | zakkm, I know but I'm lazy |
| 09:41.28 | LiraNuna | I got spoiled by ubuntu |
| 09:41.34 | zakkm | sftp send it to your tablet? |
| 09:41.42 | lcuk | ok, next problem, i have heard sed will do multi file replacements |
| 09:42.03 | lcuk | im gonna make the world explode by doing this, but does it "work" well? |
| 09:42.22 | LiraNuna | file name of file content |
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| 09:42.28 | lcuk | both |
| 09:42.39 | LiraNuna | sed -i "s/replace/me/g" * |
| 09:43.16 | lcuk | that replaces what parts ? |
| 09:43.33 | LiraNuna | replaces "replace" with "me" inside any text file |
| 09:44.05 | LiraNuna | sed -i "s/1/2/g" filename.txt # will replace 1 with 2 for file filename.txt |
| 09:44.06 | lcuk | can i do the same with filenames? |
| 09:44.33 | LiraNuna | for filenames you'll probably have to use mv and a bash loop |
| 09:44.58 | lcuk | ill just do those manually :) theres only about 15 or so |
| 09:45.18 | lcuk | thanks lira |
| 09:45.29 | LiraNuna | it's better to invest 3 hours writing a script to do it than doing it by hand for 10 minutes |
| 09:45.35 | LiraNuna | (not) |
| 09:46.20 | lcuk | heh yeah, but im backing up first |
| 09:46.20 | lcuk | and i just know git is gonna shout the loudest |
| 09:46.33 | lcuk | then for weeks afterwards im gonna type the wrong class prefix |
| 09:46.43 | LiraNuna | :P |
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| 09:48.59 | zakkm | its good to learn though |
| 09:50.00 | zakkm | one time had a server and for some reason when the server crashed, all users that were online would somehow still be online after crash, so would manually set it to 0, one day my friend realizes -.- we should make a script.. one line command.. did it "instantly" |
| 09:50.44 | zakkm | mysql update "useronline" "0" .... or something |
| 09:52.01 | lcuk | hurrah! the backup has finished, time to destroy the source :) |
| 09:52.26 | LiraNuna | gogo sudo rm -rf / |
| 09:52.34 | zakkm | :O |
| 09:52.36 | LiraNuna | WARNING DO NOT EXEC |
| 09:52.38 | zakkm | LiraNuna: so mean :P |
| 09:52.42 | lcuk | no need for sudo - i am root! |
| 09:52.54 | zakkm | i did that once |
| 09:52.57 | zakkm | IT WAS SO COOL :D |
| 09:53.13 | zakkm | any of you ever seen it done? |
| 09:53.16 | LiraNuna | hell yeah |
| 09:53.23 | LiraNuna | icons starting to disappear |
| 09:53.23 | zakkm | seriously though |
| 09:53.25 | zakkm | from a terminal app |
| 09:53.26 | LiraNuna | can't find terminal |
| 09:53.27 | zakkm | yeah |
| 09:53.31 | LiraNuna | can't find <your mom> |
| 09:53.44 | LiraNuna | if you didn't have anything in ram, you lose |
| 09:53.53 | thux | got .ogv file i thought it is ogg something, surprisingly tablet player didn't play that :P |
| 09:54.03 | zakkm | ogg vorbis video.. |
| 09:54.04 | zakkm | nice :P |
| 09:54.10 | LiraNuna | isn't .ogv theora file? |
| 09:54.18 | zakkm | its theora + video |
| 09:54.25 | zakkm | ubuntu uses it mostly |
| 09:54.35 | thux | still open isn't it |
| 09:54.37 | zakkm | its like a alternate to mkv, but guranteed ogg |
| 09:54.43 | LiraNuna | omg ubuntu boots |
| 09:54.48 | zakkm | mplayer should play it? |
| 09:54.50 | zakkm | ogv? |
| 09:54.52 | LiraNuna | slooowly and saftly (no swap yet) |
| 09:55.13 | zakkm | might have to goto open and select it, might not show on list instantly on its own |
| 09:55.15 | zakkm | but it should play fine |
| 09:55.29 | zakkm | LiraNuna: swap wont help :D |
| 09:55.44 | zakkm | well it will, but still will be slow |
| 09:55.54 | LiraNuna | deblet was faster, way faster |
| 09:56.19 | zakkm | 2nd boot is a charm :D |
| 09:56.27 | zakkm | its still creating the directories and such remember |
| 09:56.29 | zakkm | configs and all |
| 09:56.53 | LiraNuna | I booted it a lot of times |
| 09:56.59 | LiraNuna | I had to fix gdm and stuff |
| 09:57.26 | zakkm | was deblet good, i was told the battery life was really bad |
| 09:57.28 | zakkm | so i never tried it |
| 09:57.29 | zakkm | ;p |
| 09:57.47 | LiraNuna | whoever made "tablet-gdm-autologin" didn't really tried it |
| 09:58.15 | zakkm | im going between stskeeps or b-man ;p |
| 09:59.36 | zakkm | LiraNuna: b-man. |
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| 09:59.46 | LiraNuna | it's badly written |
| 09:59.51 | zakkm | maintainer of the package, so i guess made it too? |
| 10:00.09 | LiraNuna | instead of adding 3 lines to /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom |
| 10:00.22 | LiraNuna | it blanks /etc/gdm/gdm.conf and erases /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom |
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| 10:00.43 | zakkm | hehh |
| 10:00.50 | zakkm | edit it and recompile ;p |
| 10:00.57 | zakkm | or rather just repackage |
| 10:01.06 | zakkm | and tell him |
| 10:01.34 | LiraNuna | I doubt it has any code in it, probably just a config script |
| 10:01.45 | LiraNuna | you just have to add 3 lines |
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| 10:02.07 | zakkm | XD |
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| 10:02.28 | zakkm | A hack to activate autologin in Gnome |
| 10:02.28 | zakkm | 11 Alters kdmrc to autologin and run Xomap correctly. |
| 10:02.51 | LiraNuna | more like erases every possible file |
| 10:02.54 | thux | LiraNuna: have you tried mer? |
| 10:03.06 | LiraNuna | thux, yes and it kept crashing no matter what I did |
| 10:03.17 | thux | ok |
| 10:03.21 | zakkm | LiraNuna: stskeeps couldnt help? |
| 10:03.31 | LiraNuna | zakkm, I didn't bother with it because it seemed slow |
| 10:03.34 | LiraNuna | I will give it a try |
| 10:03.34 | zakkm | basically like the main developer |
| 10:03.37 | LiraNuna | +another |
| 10:04.01 | zakkm | he just realized the newest alpha |
| 10:04.18 | thux | i can't use mer either cause its xterm and virtual keyboard |
| 10:04.19 | AStorm | Stskeeps, heh, you should add some measure of automounting to Mer |
| 10:04.28 | AStorm | Stskeeps, and I shall write the whole buglist |
| 10:04.33 | zakkm | 0.13testing7 |
| 10:04.49 | AStorm | zakkm, there is one? |
| 10:04.54 | zakkm | yeah |
| 10:04.56 | AStorm | I've 0.12 yet, how to upgrade? |
| 10:04.57 | zakkm | like a hour old? |
| 10:05.05 | zakkm | apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 10:05.14 | AStorm | mhm |
| 10:05.20 | AStorm | fresh newness :) |
| 10:05.33 | zakkm | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 10:05.52 | AStorm | just doing that |
| 10:06.16 | zakkm | && lets you write more commands , and then it does first then second when first is done |
| 10:06.31 | AStorm | no upgrade here... |
| 10:06.37 | AStorm | weird |
| 10:06.43 | zakkm | apt-get update? |
| 10:06.47 | AStorm | I did run that |
| 10:06.53 | zakkm | both? |
| 10:07.00 | AStorm | sure |
| 10:07.07 | zakkm | uhh |
| 10:07.10 | zakkm | apt-get upgrade*** |
| 10:07.44 | AStorm | still nothing to update |
| 10:07.49 | zakkm | would make to wait then :( |
| 10:08.09 | zakkm | none at all? when was the last time you did it? |
| 10:08.24 | AStorm | week or two ago |
| 10:08.34 | zakkm | you have 0.12? |
| 10:08.36 | AStorm | or maybe this week even |
| 10:08.39 | AStorm | yes |
| 10:08.48 | zakkm | odd |
| 10:08.56 | AStorm | at least *had* before I upped it after install |
| 10:09.02 | AStorm | then there were no other upgrades |
| 10:09.20 | AStorm | maybe there's some testing repo I need |
| 10:09.28 | zakkm | updates fast,would of thought they would appear in upgrade |
| 10:12.11 | AStorm | ah btw, what's the proper way to add maemo repos w/o destroying Mer? |
| 10:12.15 | lcuk | phew! global renaming of a class and all subclasses and functions and references and everything complete! |
| 10:12.21 | AStorm | (for the missing binaries) |
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| 10:12.29 | zakkm | AStorm: putting it in the last line, of /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:12.37 | zakkm | higher up = more priority |
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| 10:12.55 | zakkm | and just watching what your doing before you type y / yes .. to apt-get :P |
| 10:12.59 | AStorm | whoops, misclicked |
| 10:13.20 | Stskeeps | AStorm: yes, i plan to do it with powerlaunch :P |
| 10:13.34 | Stskeeps | no upgrade in 0.12 |
| 10:13.36 | AStorm | Stskeeps, neat, but I'd prefer doing it right in HAL |
| 10:13.36 | zakkm | Stskeeps: that program crashes my maemo |
| 10:13.37 | Stskeeps | we switched repos |
| 10:13.37 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:13.44 | Stskeeps | AStorm: maybe that too |
| 10:13.48 | AStorm | ahhh, I thought of something like it |
| 10:13.51 | LiraNuna | I wish N810 would charge from USB |
| 10:13.52 | AStorm | what are the new ones? |
| 10:13.52 | zakkm | Stskeeps: powerlaunch breaks maemo :( |
| 10:14.04 | AStorm | LiraNuna, buy the weird Nokia charger for now |
| 10:14.12 | AStorm | zakkm, but not Mer, hehe |
| 10:14.14 | zakkm | Stskeeps: my mer virtual machine is broken :( X wont start and X -configure doesnt help :( |
| 10:14.16 | Stskeeps | AStorm: on OBS but i can't gurantee that it will upgrade directly |
| 10:14.17 | LiraNuna | AStorm, hmm? |
| 10:14.18 | AStorm | at least, not more than it is right now |
| 10:14.28 | AStorm | Stskeeps, still, I could try |
| 10:14.46 | AStorm | LiraNuna, CA-100 is the model number |
| 10:15.31 | zakkm | add the line to sources.list last line, rather than application manager :P |
| 10:15.48 | AStorm | Stskeeps, maybe I should /j #mer to avoid URL spam here? or is it on wiki? |
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| 10:15.53 | zakkm | Stskeeps: Segmentation fault.. but doing startx in mer VM :) |
| 10:15.56 | LiraNuna | is there a combined data cable and USB power? |
| 10:15.57 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:16.24 | Stskeeps | AStorm: #mer is always good for mer discussions |
| 10:16.25 | zakkm | lcuk : sounds like a huge patch file :P |
| 10:16.28 | AStorm | LiraNuna, hmm, no, that's impossible I guess |
| 10:16.28 | zakkm | or diff |
| 10:16.35 | lcuk | zakkm, it would be indeed |
| 10:16.38 | AStorm | the charger taxes USB already |
| 10:16.51 | zakkm | Stskeeps: i find it funny how ppl talk back and forth between maemo and mer channels :P |
| 10:16.55 | zakkm | and its like the same ppl |
| 10:17.22 | AStorm | I suspect it could be possible to build such a cable and a piece of software to make it work... |
| 10:17.24 | lcuk | zakkm it happens all the time, not just there, you can be having one conversation about one topic in a chan and a completely different one in pm |
| 10:17.26 | LiraNuna | cat #maemo #mer > #nit |
| 10:17.48 | lcuk | scratches head |
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| 10:18.30 | zakkm | im sure at some point mer will have more devices, different ppl will be in each but for now its like the same ppl, same conversation for the most part |
| 10:18.40 | zakkm | like #maemo is maemo + mer.. and #mer is maemo+mer |
| 10:19.00 | lcuk | #mer is the technical branch of maemo at the moment |
| 10:19.18 | lcuk | the scout party |
| 10:19.57 | AStorm | not exactly, but close :P |
| 10:20.28 | LiraNuna | I thought mer is maemo+ubuntu |
| 10:20.41 | AStorm | "maemo reconstructed" |
| 10:20.57 | LiraNuna | "we can rebuild him" |
| 10:21.00 | zakkm | LiraNuna: mer is going to be more "official" as the choice cause maemo wont update for n8x0's anymore |
| 10:21.12 | LiraNuna | I know :| |
| 10:21.29 | AStorm | yes, and I suspect fremantle will be rough on start anyway, with all the UI changes |
| 10:21.37 | AStorm | (still, mer has its share of them too) |
| 10:21.41 | zakkm | i want fremantle :D |
| 10:21.45 | zakkm | mer has its share? |
| 10:21.49 | zakkm | everything is like that at start :P |
| 10:21.54 | LiraNuna | I want the device that will run fremantle |
| 10:21.55 | zakkm | especially with a brand new device |
| 10:22.08 | zakkm | look at G1 + android |
| 10:22.27 | zakkm | iphone + ipod firmware did okay so cant count that but :P |
| 10:22.30 | AStorm | yeah, the device is what we need |
| 10:22.48 | zakkm | its opengl that we need |
| 10:22.58 | AStorm | no, you don't |
| 10:23.00 | zakkm | if my n800 got opengl, i wouldnt even get the new tblet |
| 10:23.06 | AStorm | 3D is overrated and good 2D is possible via Xv |
| 10:23.09 | AStorm | hehe |
| 10:23.17 | LiraNuna | if N8x0 had OGL 1.1 ... |
| 10:23.20 | zakkm | yeah but the display isnt xv? |
| 10:23.26 | lcuk | heh AStorm i guess you got the playtest working |
| 10:23.28 | zakkm | only video playback + some "games" |
| 10:23.31 | AStorm | lcuk, nopes |
| 10:23.37 | AStorm | I'll check it now |
| 10:23.39 | zakkm | n8x0 has 2.0 i thought? |
| 10:23.39 | lcuk | shame, you should :P |
| 10:23.48 | AStorm | because Stskeeps refused to give me the new Mer repo urls ;P |
| 10:23.50 | lcuk | zakkm, you have seen liqbase havent you |
| 10:24.00 | lcuk | the "new" one |
| 10:24.04 | zakkm | new one?!?! |
| 10:24.08 | AStorm | zakkm, it has nil, because we have no driver for the PowerVR chip |
| 10:24.11 | LiraNuna | <zakkm> if my n800 got opengl, i wouldnt even get the new tblet // maybe that's why nokia doesn't want to release the drivers |
| 10:24.13 | lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY |
| 10:24.15 | zakkm | i used it on the subway today on way to library, was going with friend |
| 10:24.20 | LiraNuna | they want us all to get the new "rx-77" |
| 10:24.26 | zakkm | i click continue reading, it goes back im like damnn iforgot memory card |
| 10:24.37 | lcuk | its nowhere near finished, but its coming along really nicely :) |
| 10:24.46 | lcuk | and should let people build whatever is needed with it |
| 10:24.47 | zakkm | any chance you dont mind secretly sharing the deb? :D |
| 10:24.54 | lcuk | no i cant |
| 10:24.57 | lcuk | its not got a deb |
| 10:24.59 | zakkm | why not :( |
| 10:25.07 | zakkm | i have to use liqbase so much |
| 10:25.10 | zakkm | i use it for reading :D |
| 10:25.12 | LiraNuna | HOW IS IT SO FUCKING SMOOTH |
| 10:25.12 | lcuk | come into #liqbase for a while and you might find the location of the playtest |
| 10:25.14 | zakkm | i got alot of textbooks to read |
| 10:25.22 | zakkm | whats a playtest? |
| 10:25.42 | lcuk | the new framework has a playtest showing the new features |
| 10:25.45 | LiraNuna | how is liqbase4 so fast and smooth!? |
| 10:25.46 | lcuk | to test and play with |
| 10:25.58 | zakkm | development 4, loll :P |
| 10:26.00 | AStorm | LiraNuna, Xv, good coding, etc. |
| 10:26.01 | zakkm | you made 4 videos? :D |
| 10:26.04 | lcuk | LiraNuna, cos i started from the ground up and only added things that worked within the timeframe |
| 10:26.26 | AStorm | the trick is Xv doesn't do blending |
| 10:26.34 | AStorm | so no alpha for you :P |
| 10:26.35 | zakkm | LiraNuna: the magic of having proper 2d/3d support ;p |
| 10:26.41 | lcuk | blending? |
| 10:26.44 | lcuk | what kind of blending? |
| 10:26.48 | AStorm | alpha-blending |
| 10:26.49 | lcuk | i can do alhpe blending |
| 10:26.56 | LiraNuna | zakkm, don't tell me liqbase got HW accel somehow |
| 10:26.58 | lcuk | the bacon in original is alpha blended |
| 10:27.01 | AStorm | via Xv, or manually? |
| 10:27.07 | zakkm | noo |
| 10:27.12 | zakkm | just doesnt use cpu as much |
| 10:27.12 | lcuk | alpha blending is just an alpha blit |
| 10:27.15 | lcuk | nothing special |
| 10:27.28 | lcuk | LiraNuna :) |
| 10:27.30 | AStorm | LiraNuna, it does. It goes through video acceleration |
| 10:27.36 | zakkm | lcuk: i am so jealous |
| 10:27.38 | AStorm | the fastest 2D possible |
| 10:27.56 | zakkm | oh yeah video acceleration, not 3d though |
| 10:28.05 | zakkm | omg lcuk , gimme :D |
| 10:28.07 | AStorm | who needs 3d anyway |
| 10:28.07 | LiraNuna | someone RE'd? |
| 10:28.12 | AStorm | you want rotating cubes? |
| 10:28.19 | zakkm | ? |
| 10:28.34 | zakkm | 3d doesnt equal rotating cubes? |
| 10:28.42 | LiraNuna | 3D means zoom |
| 10:28.48 | LiraNuna | 3D means HW rotation and translation |
| 10:28.50 | lcuk | liqbase has zoom |
| 10:28.51 | AStorm | zoom is in liqbase already, duh |
| 10:28.55 | LiraNuna | 3D means matrixes |
| 10:28.58 | AStorm | Xv has hardware scaling |
| 10:29.04 | lcuk | i dont use it tho |
| 10:29.05 | LiraNuna | AStorm, did you RE the hardware? |
| 10:29.09 | AStorm | yes, no matrix transforms, but who needs them |
| 10:29.13 | AStorm | LiraNuna, yes, I did |
| 10:29.23 | AStorm | Xv uses hardware 2D acceleration |
| 10:29.28 | zakkm | lcuk: did you change the reading part? |
| 10:29.42 | LiraNuna | AStorm, write a linux driver... x_x |
| 10:29.48 | AStorm | ? |
| 10:30.00 | AStorm | linux driver? it *is* part of the X drivier |
| 10:30.06 | AStorm | *driver |
| 10:30.10 | zakkm | xv = XVideo :P |
| 10:30.11 | AStorm | used by mplayer, for example |
| 10:30.29 | zakkm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xvideo |
| 10:30.36 | zakkm | The X video extension, often abbreviated as XVideo or Xv, is a video output mechanism for the X Window System. |
| 10:30.39 | LiraNuna | oh |
| 10:30.44 | LiraNuna | that kind of video |
| 10:30.52 | zakkm | we need xvmc :D |
| 10:30.59 | zakkm | then we're talking :D |
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| 10:31.37 | lcuk | whats xvmc then |
| 10:32.10 | AStorm | Xv + Motion Compensation |
| 10:32.18 | LiraNuna | <AStorm> linux driver? it *is* part of the X drivier // how come maemo doesn't use it? |
| 10:32.20 | AStorm | unfortunately, w/o PowerVR driver, we can't have this |
| 10:32.29 | lcuk | ahh |
| 10:32.33 | AStorm | it does... but not metacity |
| 10:32.39 | AStorm | uhm, not matchbox |
| 10:32.41 | zakkm | LiraNuna: it has.. nothing uses it though |
| 10:32.45 | lcuk | x11 does not natively send stuff through xv |
| 10:32.48 | AStorm | so no window rendering via Xv |
| 10:32.49 | zakkm | except mplayer and liqbase for the most part |
| 10:32.59 | AStorm | until lcuk makes liqbase into a window manager :> |
| 10:33.02 | zakkm | and alot of things cant be vx |
| 10:33.04 | zakkm | xv* |
| 10:33.14 | zakkm | or a whole distro out of it :D |
| 10:33.15 | AStorm | sure, almost all can |
| 10:33.23 | AStorm | implement XComposite |
| 10:33.39 | AStorm | then WM can render the windows via Xv |
| 10:33.47 | AStorm | not easy still, writing a window manager |
| 10:34.02 | lcuk | AStorm, you have seen the dev of liqbase, you seem to understand some of these |
| 10:34.04 | lcuk | show me how |
| 10:34.13 | lcuk | ill talk from liqbase end, you talk from xcomposite |
| 10:34.18 | lcuk | we will see if we can meet in the middle |
| 10:34.26 | lcuk | and see if it can improve things |
| 10:34.44 | LiraNuna | what about Tear |
| 10:34.51 | LiraNuna | can it use it as rendering context? |
| 10:35.22 | lcuk | i wouldnt like to say whether something like that would work |
| 10:35.27 | zakkm | hey lcuk: cant i just change the bash script and files to liqbase and replace /bin |
| 10:35.31 | zakkm | and then use the liqbase from menu? :P |
| 10:35.33 | zakkm | to open it? |
| 10:35.38 | lcuk | but its been in mind for a long time to use liqbase rendering principles for a browser |
| 10:35.50 | zakkm | liqbase should have a browser in it :D |
| 10:36.01 | zakkm | html style ;p |
| 10:36.02 | zakkm | or text |
| 10:36.10 | lcuk | the cell class has many analogs with DOM model |
| 10:36.12 | AStorm | liqbase should have X in it ;) |
| 10:36.21 | zakkm | and have that old keyboard typing when you would put name... as the keyboard onscreen |
| 10:36.39 | zakkm | and then just basic type in site.. it displays the text .. not even picture support |
| 10:36.54 | zakkm | like links.. but in liqbase with liqbase "UI" |
| 10:37.28 | lcuk | anyway, no more specualtion - whichever way it worked on complex sites it wouldnt be a benefit anyway |
| 10:37.40 | AStorm | yes |
| 10:38.31 | LiraNuna | I'm off to bed, bye guys |
| 10:38.33 | LiraNuna | o |
| 10:38.34 | LiraNuna | o/ |
| 10:38.39 | lcuk | liqbase merely works because its optimised and doesnt try to do much - if those same principles occured everywhere and sites were kept minimal then they would work even better |
| 10:39.19 | zakkm | forget apache, too bloated :P |
| 10:39.51 | thux | tried mplayer that .ogv and got usual mplayer error Your system is too SLOW to play this! **** |
| 10:40.12 | zakkm | thats a error? |
| 10:40.12 | zakkm | it should play it? |
| 10:40.12 | zakkm | just very very frozen :P |
| 10:40.12 | lcuk | just skip |
| 10:40.25 | zakkm | i never knew a error existed? |
| 10:40.35 | zakkm | thux: you running from cmdline? |
| 10:40.42 | thux | yes |
| 10:40.49 | zakkm | ah that might be why |
| 10:52.31 | pupnik_ | please give links/info to intel hardware trojan/exploits |
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| 11:02.27 | lcuk | pupnik_, i think microsoft sells a product to do that for you |
| 11:04.19 | pupnik_ | hm |
| 11:04.31 | pupnik_ | lcuk, have you tried a paint proggy on x41? |
| 11:04.37 | pupnik_ | anything good for sketching? |
| 11:05.00 | lcuk | pupnik, the only one i have built and used on there that does what i expect is liqbase |
| 11:05.06 | lcuk | everything else was too fiddly! |
| 11:05.23 | lcuk | i was trying to show tracy something the other night (it needed a diagram) |
| 11:05.56 | pupnik_ | mhm? |
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| 11:06.44 | lcuk | loading up gimp and mucking about to get a simple line drawing thingy on a screen big eenough etc |
| 11:06.56 | lcuk | or oo.org drawing app was similar |
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| 11:21.36 | pupnik_ | anybody ever slick-up mypaint ui? |
| 11:22.03 | pupnik_ | liq is not a sketch app until you add alpha brushes |
| 11:23.56 | lcuk | pupnik_, its a sketch app, but alpha brushes etc come from a painting prog |
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| 11:29.09 | pupnik_ | i guess one can sketch with a pen |
| 11:29.11 | pupnik_ | :) |
| 11:29.16 | pupnik_ | is a pencil dudre |
| 11:29.50 | lcuk | heh |
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| 12:18.36 | lopz | hola |
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| 13:46.33 | ubuntu_ | hi, does anyone know if there are difference amongst N800 and N810 in the basic linux distro on OS2008 ? |
| 13:47.39 | ubuntu_ | for example is the X server binary different for OS 2008 on N800 and N810 ? I am having problems with a Qt GUI app (Qt compiled using the maemo OS 2008 sdk). my binary works on the N810 but gives erratic behaviour on N800 |
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| 13:54.15 | lcuk | ubuntu_, what do you mean "erratic" |
| 13:55.47 | ubuntu_ | lcuk, for example QSimpleRichtText() which renders html style richtext to a Pixmaps gives me an empty pixmap on the N800 but works on the N810. The Qt version is 3.3.8b, I compiled the same Qt version on a linux desktop. on the local X server it works. on a VNC session (vnc x server) it does not work |
| 13:56.25 | thux | thopiekar: turm out that s60 putty has after all t9 support. i just didn't find it first :P |
| 13:58.45 | lcuk | ubuntu_, i dunno then, i understand the 800 and 810 to be very similar under the hood, perhaps you still have other software based differences |
| 13:58.48 | lbt | Qt 3.3.8 ? |
| 13:58.58 | lbt | that's old |
| 13:59.17 | lcuk | old!=bad though. |
| 13:59.31 | ubuntu_ | lbt, I know but my app is a Qt3 app cannot port it to Qt4. perhaps on the N800 I have an older OS2008 build which has a bug in the X server ? |
| 14:00.53 | lcuk | sounds reasonable at this point |
| 14:01.00 | ubuntu_ | did OS2008 get updated from the first release ? on the N800 I have Version 4.2008.23-14 |
| 14:01.01 | lcuk | go have a dig |
| 14:01.16 | lcuk | pass, theres a whole wiki and docs out there |
| 14:01.20 | lcuk | puts head back into code |
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| 14:02.36 | thopiekar | thux: hehe |
| 14:05.31 | thux | got now wlan 3g irc in my pocket thanks to s60 putty |
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| 14:13.32 | thopiekar | thux: there is a irc client for s60 called mIRGGI :) |
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| 14:23.16 | mikkov_ | ubuntu_: latest version is 5.2008.43-7 |
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| 14:23.49 | ubuntu_ | mikkov_: yes I have seen. I have an older but not sure if that will fix the bug. |
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| 14:25.18 | ubuntu_ | mikkov_: just tried my Qt app on the N800 with 2008.43-7 ... still does not work :( |
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| 14:43.46 | ubuntu_ | does anyone know when diablo 2008 43-7 came out ? |
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| 14:47.27 | ubuntu_ | can one downgrade an OS 2008 version using the linux flasher ? |
| 14:47.43 | ubuntu_ | if I use 2008.43-7 can I downgrade to 2008-36-5 ? |
| 14:48.25 | Stskeeps | yes |
| 14:48.35 | ubuntu_ | Stskeeps, thanks |
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| 15:14.07 | yerga | me wonders how other people will be detecting Fremantle in python |
| 15:14.38 | keesj | like to know hardware revision? |
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| 15:29.41 | ubuntu_ | do you know about future plans of nokia regarding the maemo tablets ? till when will the N810 available on sale ? are there rumours about a new tabled ? when should it come out ? |
| 15:30.27 | z4chh | ubuntu_, you can get an n810 for like $220 |
| 15:30.59 | ShadowJK | rumlour has it new one this year |
| 15:31.16 | ubuntu_ | z4chh, yes but how long ? I remembed when the N800 became cheap after a short time it disappeared from the market |
| 15:31.39 | ubuntu_ | Shadow__X: thanks. any sites with rumours about specs of the new tablet ? |
| 15:32.44 | mikkov_ | ubuntu_: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle |
| 15:32.52 | z4chh | ubuntu_, which is probably the lowest price it will get around until it becomes off the market...it will probably come off the market when the new tablet comes around |
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| 15:33.21 | mikkov_ | fremantle is the next version and that wiki page has everything what is known |
| 15:33.49 | ubuntu_ | thanks guys! |
| 15:34.28 | z4chh | i doubt the demand is very high for an n810..even around these parts because everyone who might of thought of getting an n810 is saving up for the new tablet (probably) |
| 15:35.40 | z4chh | ubuntu_, i got a new n810 recently though, i love it! |
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| 15:44.13 | lcuk | hey ho z4chh |
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| 16:48.31 | thopiekar_tablet | is it possible to make a alarm, when a user goes online on irc at xchat? |
| 16:51.45 | wnd | thopiekar_tablet, use notify command (see /help notify) |
| 16:52.05 | ShadowJK | makes xchat icon flash |
| 16:52.05 | thopiekar_tablet | k thx |
| 16:52.15 | thopiekar_tablet | ah k |
| 16:52.28 | thopiekar_tablet | thx Shadow__X , wnd |
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| 16:56.08 | thopiekar_tablet | hmm /HELP ONOTICE tells me that the command is unknown but it is listed in /help |
| 16:56.24 | thopiekar_tablet | s/help/HELP |
| 16:56.43 | ShadowJK | onotice is something different |
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| 16:58.05 | thopiekar_tablet | oh i thought it is.. o(nline)notice [notification] |
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| 17:15.24 | penguinbait | happy rainy saturday :) |
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| 17:17.37 | lcuk | penguinbait, lovely and sunny over here |
| 17:18.02 | penguinbait | lcuky you :) |
| 17:18.26 | lcuk | indeed, was hailystormy last night but its all cleared now |
| 17:25.00 | lcuk | gah! connection between pc and router 10 foot away keeps breaking |
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| 17:25.37 | GeneralAntilles | That's why you should've bought something that supports Tomato. :P |
| 17:27.23 | lcuk | first you tell me to get a router |
| 17:27.32 | lcuk | then i get one and ive got the wrong fudging one |
| 17:27.35 | lcuk | cannot win |
| 17:31.18 | RST38h | cannot win, cannot quit, cannot find the rules |
| 17:31.21 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, well, you didn't consult anybody on your purchasing decision, so. . . . |
| 17:31.30 | lcuk | :D fu |
| 17:31.45 | RST38h | lcuk: next time, go for a generic dlink box like di-624 |
| 17:31.49 | lcuk | i NEEDED one thou cos of a stupid windows thing |
| 17:32.11 | lcuk | there wont be a next time, im actively checking for a BNC port :P |
| 17:32.17 | RST38h | hehe |
| 17:33.38 | ShadowJK | thopiekar, onotice = op notice, probably :) |
| 17:34.12 | thopiekar | ah could be.. |
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| 17:38.50 | luke-jr | is there any way to get a rescue bootmenu mode? |
| 17:38.55 | luke-jr | eg, execute /bin/sh |
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| 17:50.51 | GeneralAntilles | That HAVA is still available on woot.com if anybody needs a TV streamer. . . . |
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| 18:39.20 | mikkov_ | I'm working on Fish Fillets for tablets |
| 18:39.42 | GAN8001 | Sounds tasty |
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| 18:40.11 | b-man | registers on http://tablethacker.com/forum/ <-- An alternative for ITT |
| 18:40.47 | mikkov_ | scrolling is now implemented so it shouldn't take too long anymore |
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| 18:41.04 | GAN800 | b-man, hilarious |
| 18:41.26 | Stskeeps | b-man: the white color makes my eyes hurt |
| 18:41.39 | b-man | lol |
| 18:42.06 | Stskeeps | b-man: also there's no reason to fragment itt. |
| 18:42.08 | GeneralAntilles | b-man, those forums are way too Cartman-esque. |
| 18:42.41 | b-man | GeneralAntilles: http://tablethacker.com/forum/index.php?tid=3 |
| 18:42.55 | b-man | ^ |
| 18:43.11 | Stskeeps | heh |
| 18:43.24 | Stskeeps | unauthorized to view |
| 18:43.39 | Stskeeps | fuck that forum. |
| 18:43.46 | GeneralAntilles | Seriously |
| 18:43.48 | b-man | ? - i didn't have that problem 0.o |
| 18:44.02 | GeneralAntilles | "Screw you guys, Imma gonna go play over here." |
| 18:44.04 | soap | will only fork his tblet-oriented eyeball time if there are free ponies involved. |
| 18:44.05 | RST38h | you probably have to log in |
| 18:44.16 | soap | s/tblet/tablet/ |
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| 18:44.42 | Stskeeps | RST38h: prolly, but closed forums are so idiotic |
| 18:45.00 | RST38h | Sts: I doubt PB meant it to be closed |
| 18:45.15 | b-man | it's mostly just a hacker forum :P |
| 18:45.41 | Stskeeps | b-man: and how on earth is itt not? read my post? |
| 18:46.33 | b-man | yes |
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| 18:47.21 | GeneralAntilles | b-man, it's mostly just a whole lot of spite. |
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| 18:49.23 | Stskeeps | i'm personally going to boycott that forum on the grounds it was founded on a paranoid delusion and by someone who after his ridicolous views and being not able to reasoned with sane discussion has earned himself on my itt ignore |
| 18:50.19 | soap | linky to paranoid ranting? |
| 18:50.28 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, ping? |
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| 18:51.51 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, not important, but I'll get back to those Bugzilla templates next week whenever I get my G5 back. |
| 18:51.58 | Stskeeps | b-man: liranuna and i are building a n8x0ubuntu using OBS btw, wanna join in? |
| 18:52.07 | LiraNuna | hello o/ |
| 18:52.16 | b-man | shure :) |
| 18:52.21 | Stskeeps | so its always a proper up-to-date hw packages |
| 18:52.25 | LiraNuna | b-man, did you make tablet-gdm-autologin? |
| 18:52.41 | b-man | i ported it from Deblet |
| 18:52.51 | LiraNuna | b-man, it's broken |
| 18:52.54 | LiraNuna | badly.. |
| 18:53.02 | b-man | hmmm :( |
| 18:53.40 | LiraNuna | it blanks out gdm.conf and makes a blank gdm.conf-custom |
| 18:53.47 | Stskeeps | b-man: grab an account from https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=Maemo%3AMer%3ADevel%3AHW%3AN8x0 and go to the url again |
| 18:53.56 | b-man | ok |
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| 18:55.05 | LiraNuna | Stskeeps, I got a working ubuntu system and I can dpkg -l; problem is my swap isn't setup so it's really slow |
| 18:55.49 | LiraNuna | and we need sound |
| 18:56.03 | b-man | is glad to see interests in ubuntu-n8x0 again :) |
| 18:56.06 | LiraNuna | b-man, nm-applet works btw; you just need to make the device managed |
| 18:56.08 | b-man | indeed |
| 18:56.15 | Stskeeps | k - i think b-man can help with some things |
| 18:56.47 | Stskeeps | b-man: we are going to make images instead of guide |
| 18:56.49 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I think the last day-to-day hurdle I'm going to bitch about is nm. :P |
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| 18:57.17 | b-man | Stskeeps: allright :) |
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| 18:57.37 | Stskeeps | b-man: see https://build.opensuse.org/project/monitor?project=Maemo%3AMer%3ADevel too |
| 18:58.24 | b-man | is registering |
| 18:58.31 | LiraNuna | straind`, how do the images work on the tablet? extracted to the new root? |
| 18:58.38 | LiraNuna | Stskeeps* |
| 18:58.38 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 18:58.43 | LiraNuna | guh autocomplete |
| 18:59.15 | rm_you__ | what about using wicd instead of nm? >_> |
| 18:59.32 | Meiz_n810 | rm_you__ takes a bunch more cpu |
| 18:59.36 | Meiz_n810 | and ram |
| 18:59.42 | rm_you | does it? |
| 18:59.42 | Meiz_n810 | s/cpu/ram/ |
| 18:59.45 | Stskeeps | shite in mobile devices |
| 18:59.47 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, is icd2 feasible at all? |
| 18:59.49 | rm_you | sadness |
| 19:00.07 | rm_you | i like it a lot better than NM <_< |
| 19:00.16 | LiraNuna | loves nm-applet |
| 19:00.36 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: icd is nice but its ui on smth very similar to nm |
| 19:00.54 | Stskeeps | nm-applet is odd, agree |
| 19:01.09 | rm_you | ah, is it because it is written in python? >_> |
| 19:01.19 | rm_you | and could it be optimized at all, I wonder? ... |
| 19:01.26 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: what's smth btw? |
| 19:01.27 | rm_you | *really* dislikes NM |
| 19:01.33 | Stskeeps | something |
| 19:01.33 | LiraNuna | nm-applet uses hal, doesn't it |
| 19:01.45 | LiraNuna | same with nm-config |
| 19:01.56 | RST38h | has no preference on which Linux wifi applet to use |
| 19:02.07 | RST38h | They are all Linux, messy and broken by definition =) |
| 19:02.20 | LiraNuna | booo, RST38h |
| 19:02.42 | GeneralAntilles | nm makes me want to stab things |
| 19:02.55 | GeneralAntilles | So Mer is never going to be day-to-day usable for me if nm is the only option |
| 19:03.17 | Stskeeps | oh, didn't say that |
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| 19:04.08 | rm_you | might try to get wicd working once he gets back to WA and installs Mer correctly, and does a good bit of work on the control panel portion of ABL... >_> |
| 19:04.16 | suihkulokki | most "nm" problems are driver problems thou |
| 19:04.31 | LiraNuna | nm-applet works in my ubuntu config |
| 19:04.44 | suihkulokki | still, people looking at something simples should look at moblin connman |
| 19:04.50 | GeneralAntilles | suihkulokki, I hate the applet with a passion. |
| 19:05.04 | Stskeeps | connman didnt have wpa last i saw |
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| 19:05.06 | Meiz_n810 | suihkulokki: i never got connman to work |
| 19:05.20 | suihkulokki | right, connman is still WiP |
| 19:05.36 | Meiz_n810 | it didn't scan for any networks and there was no button to start the scan |
| 19:05.40 | Stskeeps | i like connman idea though. |
| 19:05.40 | Meiz_n810 | WiP? |
| 19:05.41 | suihkulokki | but didn't know it was _that_much_ wip :P |
| 19:05.50 | Stskeeps | work in progress |
| 19:05.50 | suihkulokki | Work in Progress |
| 19:05.50 | RST38h | Moblin people actually called connection manager "connman"? Oh shit, where is our marketing department... |
| 19:05.52 | LiraNuna | to get nm-applet working, just change /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf |
| 19:05.53 | b-man | wonders how nm could be changed to function better |
| 19:06.01 | LiraNuna | change managed=false to managed=true |
| 19:06.04 | LiraNuna | works here, really |
| 19:06.21 | RST38h | Yea, it was a problem introduced in Ubuntu 8 upgrade I think |
| 19:06.28 | b-man | works here too |
| 19:06.56 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: whats your main NM gripe anyway? |
| 19:07.00 | LiraNuna | there's no gnome-keyring problem too |
| 19:07.07 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I hate it. |
| 19:07.14 | LiraNuna | it asked me for a password, and I entered a gimped one (still need to fix Fn key) |
| 19:07.27 | suihkulokki | uses NM with the kde3 applet which slightly suboptimal on a kde4 desktop now |
| 19:07.29 | GeneralAntilles | The notifications are really obnoxious, the icons suck, the UI sucks, it doesn't work right. |
| 19:07.36 | Meiz_n810 | LiraNuna: it feels easy now when it works, but i'm sure it wasn't easy to get it to work |
| 19:07.51 | LiraNuna | Meiz_n810, that's why I keep records of what I do |
| 19:08.14 | LiraNuna | Meiz_n810, that way I can rebuild images of Ubuntu using that Novell build thigy |
| 19:08.24 | ShadowJK | icd is awesome, it even does seamless pseudo-roaming between the different wifi access points I have, without losing connection or streaming music breaking |
| 19:08.32 | Meiz_n810 | when Mer was on early stage nm-appleg didn't work, i had to use iwconfig + others |
| 19:08.54 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: agreed, and someone needs to hildonize ut. |
| 19:08.56 | Stskeeps | it |
| 19:10.00 | ShadowJK | if anyone knows how to make nm not mess up things, do tlel |
| 19:10.14 | luke-jr | there are many reasons to dislike NM |
| 19:10.32 | ShadowJK | I haven't managed to make it work right even on my desktop that only has ethernet and nothing else |
| 19:10.46 | LiraNuna | ShadowJK, mess up things? <LiraNuna> to get nm-applet working, just change /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf <LiraNuna> change managed=false to managed=true |
| 19:10.49 | LiraNuna | works here |
| 19:11.12 | ShadowJK | It was a more general inquiry :) |
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| 19:11.20 | LiraNuna | oh, I'm sorry |
| 19:11.40 | ShadowJK | But if you know how to make it not overwrite /etc/resolv.conf, or how to make it fill in the correct stuff in there, do tell :) |
| 19:11.54 | Stskeeps | icd is an option if anyone spends time on it |
| 19:12.28 | Meiz_n810 | only problem with NM for me currently is: when i leave my school and it disconnects it starts scanning for every minute, when i'm back home in the range of my own wlan ap it wont connect anymore before i do offline and back. it just keeps scanning once connection is lost |
| 19:12.28 | Stskeeps | but it being nokia-closed hurts my motivation to work on it |
| 19:12.35 | suihkulokki | the wireless story in linux is finally getting quite good imho |
| 19:12.54 | suihkulokki | but I'm amazed how badly the recent xorg intel driver upgrade broke things |
| 19:13.07 | ShadowJK | It seems somewhat amazing to me how all the linux companies bash their heads together on NM, and then Nokia, which isn't exactly famous for making great software, hacks up something as awesome as icd :) |
| 19:13.17 | GAN8001 | Stskeeps, that's the problem with good closed Nokia stuff . . . the differentiation argument is actually justified. :( |
| 19:13.24 | Stskeeps | yes |
| 19:13.32 | GAN8001 | Maybe if we beg and plead |
| 19:13.39 | RST38h | Naaah |
| 19:13.41 | GAN8001 | Go to Ari on our hands and knees. |
| 19:13.47 | luke-jr | GAN8001: non-Free can NEVER be justified |
| 19:13.58 | RST38h | GAN: Maybe if you make a human sacrifice... |
| 19:14.03 | Stskeeps | go ahead - not a fight i want to take |
| 19:14.20 | RST38h | luke-jr: In the eyes of a teenager, maybe |
| 19:14.36 | luke-jr | RST38h: you have that backward |
| 19:15.13 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, differentation is justified, he didn't say anything about non-free :P |
| 19:15.16 | b-man | Stskeeps, LiraNuna: btw, bman.maemobox.org will be taken down soon btw :( |
| 19:15.23 | Stskeeps | k |
| 19:15.30 | LiraNuna | b-man, I can host |
| 19:15.47 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: "differentiation" is being used as an excuse to make it non-Free |
| 19:15.53 | b-man | ok, thanks! :D |
| 19:16.01 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, right, but that wasn't the issue :) |
| 19:16.10 | LiraNuna | though I've never hosted an apt repo before |
| 19:16.10 | luke-jr | it was |
| 19:16.21 | mavhc | it's easy to make something work for 1 device in 1 computer |
| 19:16.27 | RST38h | I think he mean crazy-Stallman-free |
| 19:16.44 | GeneralAntilles | mavhc, my issues with nm aren't driver related. |
| 19:16.44 | RST38h | I.e. he wants the source code, not just binaries |
| 19:16.59 | lcuk | non-free is ok if the devs are working overtime to help :) but once an app goes cold to allow it the chance of life it should be opened :) |
| 19:17.01 | luke-jr | RST38h: binaries are not free |
| 19:17.06 | mavhc | but in general it only has to solve 1 problem, not everyone's problem |
| 19:17.19 | RST38h | lcuk: I don't think having the source code is sufficient |
| 19:17.22 | suihkulokki | Stallman may be unreasonable, but you need unreasonable people for change (reasonable people just adapt to current reality) |
| 19:17.22 | b-man | LiraNuna: it's just like hosting anything else, allthough you'll need to keep it up-to-date ;) |
| 19:17.32 | lcuk | RST38h, no, but with just a binary its impossible |
| 19:17.38 | lcuk | at least theres a chance |
| 19:17.41 | RST38h | lcuk: If nobody cares enough to continue development, the source code won't help |
| 19:17.48 | lcuk | hence chance |
| 19:17.55 | mavhc | what you need is "non-free but with a contract that promises development or we'll make it open source" |
| 19:18.02 | RST38h | suihkulokki: I do not want "change" brought by unreasonable people |
| 19:18.04 | GeneralAntilles | suihkulokki, you also need reasonable people to have a functioning society. ;) |
| 19:18.08 | derf | RST38h: There's a big difference between "nobody cares" and "nobody cares with money". |
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| 19:18.14 | LiraNuna | b-man, I can try; I got the server+bandwidth |
| 19:18.23 | RST38h | suihkulokki: For this road leads to Gilliam's "Brazil" |
| 19:18.36 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, oh I thought GAN was implying that the "differentiation" argument fails for most of the software, because the software isn't actually that good, not worth holding onto... But there are the exceptions where Nokia actually has impressively nice software, that they would want to hold on to :) |
| 19:18.52 | RST38h | derf: Well, I meant the former, more general definition :) |
| 19:19.38 | mavhc | the main differentiation of the tablets is they're open source |
| 19:19.40 | suihkulokki | RST38h: I loved the part of brazil where they billed the costs of the interrogation from the person being interrogated :) |
| 19:19.43 | GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, yes, exactly. |
| 19:19.47 | luke-jr | mavhc: the N8x0 are not |
| 19:19.54 | mavhc | ...ish |
| 19:19.58 | ShadowJK | for icd the opensource argument is kinda silly anyway.. there's nm, and there are no big obstacles for writing a new nm or icd.. |
| 19:20.06 | RST38h | suihkulokki: AFAIK, UK actually charges convicts incarceration fees, so they weren't that far off |
| 19:20.28 | suihkulokki | "come one, the longer it gates o take information from you, the more it's going to cost you" :P |
| 19:20.29 | Stskeeps | new nm isn't half bad. if you look at the code. |
| 19:20.30 | LiraNuna | nm-applet works; I see no reason why people hate it |
| 19:20.36 | ShadowJK | mavhc, try "not tivo-ized" :) |
| 19:20.37 | b-man | needs to wget -r his site lol |
| 19:20.39 | luke-jr | yeah, I dont' care about ICD-- it's not necessary and can be trashed |
| 19:20.39 | Stskeeps | nm-applet needs polishing. |
| 19:20.50 | mavhc | what other similar device are you going to buy? it's the most open source that's available |
| 19:20.57 | LiraNuna | Stskeeps, such as? |
| 19:20.58 | luke-jr | mavhc: SmartQ 5 |
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| 19:21.28 | Stskeeps | on the other hand, if you look at open source -and- quality, nokia'd win :P |
| 19:21.38 | Meiz_n810 | LiraNuna: i bet it have been a shitload of work to make it work on tablets. Someone please tell me if i'm correct :P |
| 19:21.48 | suihkulokki | what does SmartQ use for connecting to network? |
| 19:21.53 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: no, because the only real quality in Nokia's is closed |
| 19:21.55 | mavhc | luke-jr: which shop can I get it from? |
| 19:22.00 | ShadowJK | suihkulokki, wlan, closed firmware ;) |
| 19:22.04 | luke-jr | mavhc: no idea |
| 19:22.13 | ShadowJK | actually... |
| 19:22.16 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: their original firmware uses marvell sd8686 and WICD |
| 19:22.37 | Stskeeps | (libertas_sdio) |
| 19:22.47 | ShadowJK | are there ANY wlan chips with non-closed firmware (and no, things that "don't need" firwmare don't count) |
| 19:22.48 | suihkulokki | ah |
| 19:22.55 | Stskeeps | ShadowJK: i'm not sure really |
| 19:23.21 | mavhc | so not available, next! |
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| 19:23.30 | Stskeeps | mavhc: the pandora guy has them, seemingily |
| 19:23.52 | suihkulokki | there is a open source firmware for b43 wifi cards |
| 19:24.00 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: supposedly the Atheros has its "firmware" in the kernel code |
| 19:24.03 | suihkulokki | there is just one catch |
| 19:24.16 | suihkulokki | ..it doesn't _work_ yet :) |
| 19:24.29 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, and it isn't just a char firmware[] = { 0x80, 0x80, 0xff, 0xff } etc? |
| 19:24.40 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: no, it's actual C code |
| 19:24.42 | Stskeeps | http://www.gbax.com/smartq5.html as well as http://www.eletroworld.cn/ |
| 19:24.53 | Stskeeps | hugs his donated one |
| 19:25.01 | Stskeeps | they're -excellent- hacking devices |
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| 19:25.05 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, what the hell is that doing in the kernel then... and how do they compile it for whatever CPU/microcontroller sits in the wireless chipset? :) |
| 19:25.09 | RST38h | Sts: Is your gf ok with that? =) |
| 19:25.23 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: there is no CPU/microcontroller in the wireless chipset, supposedly |
| 19:25.26 | GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, I think the TI ones in the next tablets are pretty close, but I'm not sure. |
| 19:25.27 | Stskeeps | RST38h: after she got a 770 and that she'll have it when i'm done with it, yeah |
| 19:25.28 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:25.30 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: it actually runs in the kernel |
| 19:25.54 | ShadowJK | I guess it's either hardcoded in the chip and not upgradeable, or in an eeprom in/near the chip then :) |
| 19:26.59 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: well, the kernel stuff apparently does what most wifi chips use firmware for |
| 19:27.10 | ShadowJK | "The Broadcom wireless chip needs software, called "firmware", that runs on the wireless chip itself during operation. This firmware is copyrighted by Broadcom and it must be extracted from Broadcom's proprietary drivers" |
| 19:27.14 | ShadowJK | That's about b43 :) |
| 19:27.30 | ShadowJK | So at best you've got a copy of the binary firmware in the kernel somewhere |
| 19:27.45 | RST38h | is it bad? |
| 19:28.01 | ShadowJK | That depends on who you ask |
| 19:28.18 | suihkulokki | points ShadowJK to http://lwn.net/Articles/314313/ |
| 19:28.28 | RST38h | As long as it is ok with Broadcom, I do not see where the problem is |
| 19:28.30 | mavhc | apparently there's a smartq 7 now |
| 19:28.56 | Stskeeps | yeah, same hw, different battery, buttons and LCD |
| 19:28.59 | Stskeeps | but that's about that |
| 19:29.08 | Stskeeps | has bootloader sources, kernel sources, etc :P |
| 19:29.11 | GeneralAntilles | ARM11 is so 2007. :P |
| 19:29.25 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 19:29.37 | mavhc | what will happen when arm reach version 86? |
| 19:29.38 | b-man | lol |
| 19:29.52 | GeneralAntilles | mavhc, the world will implode. |
| 19:29.58 | b-man | ARM86? lol |
| 19:29.58 | RST38h | it will first have to reach 68 and 80 |
| 19:30.08 | ShadowJK | RST38h, it's not redistributable, users have to extract hte firmware themselves... but even if it was, the broadcom firmware is still closed source (unless you use the one suihkulokki pasted) |
| 19:30.26 | ShadowJK | so at this count there's like... one wlan chip in the world that has open firmware available :) |
| 19:31.04 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Then it is an issue that has to be resolved with Broadcom |
| 19:31.40 | ShadowJK | This just demonstrates it's nearly impossible to make a device which satisfies everybody's idea of open :) |
| 19:32.00 | Stskeeps | on the other hand, a device that's down to simply sd8686_*.bin, is kinda neat |
| 19:32.12 | RST38h | That's not everybody's, it is RMS' absolutist idea of open |
| 19:32.29 | mavhc | problem with RMS is he's always right, in the long run |
| 19:32.45 | RST38h | I am dead in the long run, so I do not care |
| 19:33.27 | suihkulokki | luke-jr: the atheros chips offer a very low level interface to the wlan hardware, but that has a price -> every wlan activity wakes up cpu and pci bus -> bad from power managment pov |
| 19:33.37 | RST38h | As to him being right, there are SO many ways the world can fuck you up, that the software becomes a miniscule, unimportant part of it |
| 19:34.42 | suihkulokki | as for my opintion.. non-free firmware is ok as long it's legally redistributable |
| 19:34.57 | RST38h | same here |
| 19:35.01 | ShadowJK | too |
| 19:35.54 | suihkulokki | It's simple too specific for the hardware in question to be useful in generic OSS context |
| 19:36.00 | penguinbait | GA, I fixed my post, settle down ;) |
| 19:36.31 | ShadowJK | can this "pandora guy" be trusted?... |
| 19:36.37 | mavhc | need to get on with making osh |
| 19:36.46 | Stskeeps | ShadowJK: i will ask the smartq guys for a list of vendors outside china. |
| 19:36.55 | ShadowJK | please do |
| 19:37.14 | ShadowJK | do you know anything about the graphics in it? |
| 19:37.17 | suihkulokki | interesting, I recently saw a old tv manual - it came with with full schematics in case you wanted to fix it yourself |
| 19:37.38 | LiraNuna | haha |
| 19:37.47 | ShadowJK | If I could get Xv working on it, it'd be a faster media player than N8x0 :-) |
| 19:38.29 | Stskeeps | ShadowJK: there's drivers for some codec stuff if you look hard enough on the web |
| 19:38.31 | Stskeeps | probably not so legal |
| 19:38.34 | ShadowJK | suihkulokki, heh yeah. Alot of the industrial stuff we have at work has schematics inside, it really saves time when diagnosing stuff |
| 19:38.49 | mavhc | my bbc computer came with a circuit diagram |
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| 19:40.02 | ShadowJK | well, Xv gives 30-50% CPU offload (depending on codec, res, bitrate, framerate of course), and it's not about implementing complex video decoding algorithms on crummy bothersome DSPs either :) |
| 19:40.28 | lcuk | offload vs which other method? |
| 19:42.14 | ShadowJK | vs doing YUV->RGB, scale to fullscreen and dump to framebuffer |
| 19:42.16 | ShadowJK | in cpu |
| 19:42.50 | lcuk | what if the movie is rgb? |
| 19:43.04 | RST38h | is there such a thing? |
| 19:43.11 | lcuk | and scaling has often been done even for native rgb (at least here) by hardware |
| 19:43.12 | ShadowJK | Then you're living in 1985 |
| 19:44.27 | lcuk | incidentally ShadowJK even faster than xv would be using the framebuffer itself - xv has to do a whole planar conversion before sending it |
| 19:44.54 | lcuk | if you can supply the yuv data pre-interleaved in the correct format then you dont need the conversion |
| 19:45.11 | ShadowJK | Yeah... mplayer on N8x0 does the planar conversion itself and sends direct to the yuv framebuffer |
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| 19:45.28 | lcuk | thank god for it though :D |
| 19:45.44 | lcuk | i wouldv hated doing interleaved direct pixel writes |
| 19:45.54 | ShadowJK | sts mentioned smartq5 is running dumb fb though, so that's why I asked |
| 19:46.15 | Stskeeps | at least it's not blizzard.. |
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| 19:46.57 | ShadowJK | Without some yuv->rgb acceleration it'll likely be slower than N810 for video anyway, even with the faster CPU that it has :) |
| 19:46.58 | lcuk | Stskeeps, using mer as a test bed, hows performance on it |
| 19:47.00 | lcuk | generally |
| 19:47.08 | Stskeeps | lcuk: .. good, booted in 30 seconds or so |
| 19:47.18 | GeneralAntilles | I feel like we should be able to play Starcraft or something on our tablets. . . . |
| 19:47.23 | Stskeeps | crysis? |
| 19:47.27 | lcuk | does that indicate better memory access only tho |
| 19:47.33 | Stskeeps | lcuk: i'm not sure really |
| 19:47.41 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, boot time benchmarks are cute. :P |
| 19:47.44 | Stskeeps | i'll push more testing at it when we have the first straight-from-box working |
| 19:47.49 | lcuk | you need some quantitiave benchmarks |
| 19:47.52 | lcuk | yeah |
| 19:48.15 | ShadowJK | I'm guessing it would be faster at pushing RGB pixmaps though |
| 19:48.15 | lcuk | boottimes have been going up and up since the spectrum |
| 19:48.37 | lcuk | wont know till its hacked about with |
| 19:49.10 | lcuk | wheres the latest mer image |
| 19:49.29 | Stskeeps | in process of building |
| 19:49.51 | lcuk | k |
| 19:50.44 | Stskeeps | we build everything upon a release, to make sure it's 100% consistent in terms of api and abi and so on |
| 19:50.55 | Stskeeps | we found several packages that had gone out of date cos of fremantle updates |
| 19:51.08 | lcuk | understood totally :) |
| 19:51.33 | lcuk | can i just run an upgrade from whatever i have when you push the next one? |
| 19:52.03 | Stskeeps | no sorry :/ we're breaking things quite hard so |
| 19:52.07 | Stskeeps | but it's for the better |
| 19:52.52 | b-man | Stskeeps: btw, is mer using fremantle's matchbox wm or diablo's? --- dum question |
| 19:53.32 | Macer | anybody here have a ps3? |
| 19:53.55 | b-man | hasn't looked at the source for a while :P |
| 19:54.01 | b-man | *in |
| 19:54.48 | Stskeeps | b-man: that's a very good question. |
| 19:54.51 | lcuk | Stskeeps, please dont apologise for working hard :) you are doing excellent work |
| 19:54.52 | Stskeeps | no, we don't use clutter |
| 19:54.55 | GAN8001 | Stskeeps, how's the Fremantle beta stuff by the way? |
| 19:54.57 | Macer | hm |
| 19:55.05 | Macer | was wondering what kind of video filetypes a ps3 would play |
| 19:55.10 | Stskeeps | GAN8001: looked at it and way too many ties to nokia-binaries |
| 19:55.16 | GAN8001 | Bleh |
| 19:55.16 | Stskeeps | i'll lodge a proper bug report eventually. |
| 19:55.18 | Macer | does it support playing .mpg files that have been transcoded from mkv? |
| 19:55.26 | Macer | or do the files have to be .vob? |
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| 19:55.39 | Meiz_n810 | Macer, you have ubuntu on it rignt? |
| 19:55.45 | Macer | no |
| 19:55.52 | Macer | it's not my ps3 |
| 19:55.53 | Meiz_n810 | k |
| 19:56.00 | Macer | i was talkinga bout the stock ps3 firmware |
| 19:56.24 | Macer | i know it can handle divx stuff.. but i don't know what to convert to in order for it to use high def |
| 19:56.30 | RST38h | Macer: ps3 will play a proprietary Sony format which will actually be an encrypted animated gif |
| 19:56.47 | Macer | but i have heard that they can play .vob files in high def |
| 19:57.03 | RST38h | With decryption keys drawn on a special pad accessory in blood |
| 19:57.08 | Macer | lol |
| 19:57.16 | lcuk | frefreshed weekly isnt it |
| 19:57.20 | GAN800 | http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/2_60/video/filetypes.html |
| 19:57.20 | lcuk | -f |
| 19:57.23 | RST38h | lcuk: of course |
| 19:57.37 | RST38h | lcuk: everybody LOVES the subscription business model! |
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| 20:00.50 | Macer | GAN800: thanks... but it doesn't say which extnsion it should have.. but i will just give her 2 different versions |
| 20:00.53 | Macer | i'm sure mpg or vob will work on it |
| 20:01.25 | Macer | thanks a lot though :) mkv2vob is supposed to do all the converting for you automatically |
| 20:01.26 | Stskeeps | any GTK coders in the house I can ask stupid questions for some hours? |
| 20:01.51 | RST38h | Try but can't guarantee |
| 20:02.39 | Stskeeps | i need to right-align a container (actually, the systray) |
| 20:03.00 | Stskeeps | (which in mer is not a matchbox item, but an actual gtk container) |
| 20:04.12 | RST38h | a moment |
| 20:04.21 | RST38h | inside what do you align it? |
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| 20:05.09 | Stskeeps | well, it's actually the items within the statusbar container i want to align i guess |
| 20:05.33 | RST38h | ok |
| 20:05.41 | Stskeeps | we have a fixed width and the items need to right-align |
| 20:06.11 | penguinbait | GA, your ball, I got to go shopping though, be back later :) |
| 20:06.15 | RST38h | GtkStatusbar? |
| 20:06.48 | Stskeeps | RST38h: nah, hmm .. |
| 20:07.16 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.47 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.58 | RST38h | The first one should point to your container |
| 20:08.35 | RST38h | The second one is created with gtk_adjustment_new() |
| 20:09.25 | Stskeeps | yeah.. and the adjustment parameters look a bit like black magic :) |
| 20:10.00 | RST38h | Will crack these in a moment |
| 20:10.32 | Stskeeps | there seems also to be some Alignment widget, but it may not work that well with containers? |
| 20:13.08 | RST38h | Ok, I seem to know what hadjustment is |
| 20:13.38 | RST38h | It is the min/max size of the spacer |
| 20:14.06 | RST38h | If it does not work, insert GtkAlignemt into the container |
| 20:14.18 | Meiz_n810 | thinks ubuntu-MID had it right aligned |
| 20:14.29 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 20:17.26 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: what was your gallery url again? |
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| 20:17.56 | Stskeeps | evening JamieBennett |
| 20:18.00 | Meiz_n810 | http://picasaweb.google.com/meizirkki |
| 20:18.04 | Stskeeps | thanks |
| 20:18.12 | JamieBennett | evening Stskeeps |
| 20:18.42 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: oh, looking for the old one? |
| 20:18.49 | lcuk | hey ho jb |
| 20:19.00 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: yeah |
| 20:19.02 | JamieBennett | Hi lcuk :D |
| 20:19.04 | Meiz_n810 | http://picasaweb.google.com/mail.deweb |
| 20:19.42 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: http://picasaweb.google.com/mail.deweb/MaemoReconstructed#5266271949592510178 looks left aligned to me |
| 20:20.17 | Meiz_n810 | yes, it seems to be |
| 20:21.05 | Meiz_n810 | sorry for wasting your time |
| 20:21.19 | Meiz_n810 | should get some sleep now |
| 20:21.29 | Stskeeps | ah, don't have to say sorry :) |
| 20:21.34 | Stskeeps | i just like to verify before digging in code |
| 20:21.42 | Meiz_n810 | :) |
| 20:21.44 | Meiz_n810 | night all |
| 20:21.59 | lcuk | nite meiz \o |
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| 20:37.07 | JamieBennett | lumo Not at the moment but maybe in the future |
| 20:37.15 | JamieBennett | damn, wrong window :) |
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| 21:10.59 | Stskeeps | RST38h: turns out that i canÍ't even do alignment, it's some insane panel thing :) |
| 21:12.17 | RST38h | Mmm? |
| 21:12.24 | RST38h | You can always insert a spacer, can't you? |
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| 21:13.20 | RST38h | is at a balcony, observing a perfect conclusion to the holiday: 100m flame from a blown gas pipeline at the southwest |
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| 21:13.42 | fireun | what, no pictures? |
| 21:14.02 | RST38h | Mmm, I can probably shoot one, but am too lazy to do it |
| 21:15.05 | RST38h | There is a minor disadvantage of some highrise blocking most of the flame from the line of sight, but it is large enough for the show anyway |
| 21:17.03 | RST38h | Ah, cool, it also blew up a gas station |
| 21:17.32 | RST38h | Here is your picture: http://img.beta.rian.ru/images/16672/32/166723203.jpg |
| 21:17.47 | lcuk | holy fuck! |
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| 21:17.58 | b-man | lol |
| 21:18.10 | RST38h | RIAN guys obviously got a better viewing spot |
| 21:19.10 | lcuk | its mordor http://images.epilogue.net/users/timovihola/mordor.jpg |
| 21:19.55 | RST38h | lcuk: Little Mordor indeed |
| 21:20.35 | lcuk | accidental leak or arson? |
| 21:20.46 | lbt | RST38h: got a bigger pic .. would make a good Mer background... |
| 21:20.49 | RST38h | News say "explosion", so who knows |
| 21:21.01 | lcuk | actually, whichever it is - its an excuse for energy companies to put prices up again |
| 21:21.03 | RST38h | lbt: Wait until tomorrow, I will get you one :) |
| 21:21.09 | lbt | :) |
| 21:21.16 | RST38h | naah, there is enough of this crap here =) |
| 21:21.39 | fireun | RST38h: wow |
| 21:21.40 | luke-jr | RST38h: http://img.beta.rian.ru/images/16672/32/166723203.jpg <-- open source BME attempt? |
| 21:21.59 | lcuk | overclocking issue |
| 21:22.18 | lcuk | goes back to peeking at swig |
| 21:23.17 | RST38h | Amateur fireworks experiment gone terribly wrong. |
| 21:23.32 | lcuk | potent beanfest |
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| 21:26.54 | RST38h | all right, <sleep> |
| 21:28.49 | thopiekar | any maemo.org admin here? |
| 21:28.59 | thopiekar | X-Fade: PING |
| 21:30.10 | crashanddie | thopiekar, what is the issue? |
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| 21:31.04 | thopiekar | no issueses I just want you to remove a project and rename another or to remove both.. :) |
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| 21:31.34 | crashanddie | may I ask on whose authority we would do such a thing? |
| 21:32.05 | thopiekar | on the project owner's authority :) |
| 21:32.58 | crashanddie | thopiekar, the admins work regular office hours most of the time, you'll have more chance to catch 'em during the week, rather than a saturday night |
| 21:33.11 | thopiekar | k |
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| 21:34.21 | lbt | .log setup :Stable and :Stable:HW:* series projects |
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| 21:34.54 | lcuk | lbt, merbot is that way >>>>>>>> |
| 21:35.04 | lbt | is sleepy |
| 21:35.09 | lcuk | heh |
| 21:35.14 | lcuk | \o qwerty |
| 21:35.21 | lbt | how do you know how my tabs are laid out? |
| 21:35.31 | lcuk | alphabetical i should hope ;) |
| 21:35.42 | lbt | hah - not even close! |
| 21:41.15 | fireun | hmm, not high enough res for a good background, coulda woulda |
| 21:42.03 | lcuk | fireun, strikingly similar pic http://lfm.mit.edu/blog/drewhill/files/nuclear-explosion.jpg |
| 21:45.35 | VDVsx | lcuk, you are working with swig for bindings ? or is other stuff :P |
| 21:46.03 | lcuk | just thinking and wondering :) |
| 21:47.08 | lcuk | VDVsx, i got a bit of a binary together http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=285896&postcount=260 :) makes testing easier but its buggy n stuff |
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| 21:48.53 | VDVsx | lcuk, cool, I thought we will have python bindings when you mentioned swig :P |
| 21:49.32 | Macer | hm |
| 21:49.55 | lcuk | well the api for the library is hardening nicely now and im just wondering if its possible |
| 21:53.04 | VDVsx | lcuk, for python bindings cython is better/simple than swig IMHO :) |
| 21:53.48 | lcuk | im not interested in the bindings themselves, im trying to find out if theres anything specific that might make like easier in the future with it |
| 21:54.12 | lcuk | ie a little time now pre-prearing the api and arguments etc could make life much easier in future |
| 21:54.33 | VDVsx | lcuk, ah ok :) |
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| 21:56.32 | VDVsx | lcuk, write some simple docs with the available api, it will probably give you a different picture |
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| 22:22.59 | crashanddie | VDVsx, you did not just tell lcuk what to do, did you? |
| 22:24.15 | crashanddie | in a relative time dimension, obviously, "just" being relative to the space between my mouse cursor and your line of text on the screen |
| 22:24.55 | Pavlov | win 31 |
| 22:25.18 | VDVsx | crashanddie, Is just a suggestion |
| 22:25.56 | crashanddie | then phrase it like one |
| 22:26.03 | crashanddie | "you might want to consider..." |
| 22:26.16 | crashanddie | "I've heard of projects where ..." |
| 22:26.33 | crashanddie | Nobody tells the guv what to do. |
| 22:27.32 | lcuk | tracy would beg to differ |
| 22:27.49 | crashanddie | yeah, but Tracy is your wife |
| 22:27.51 | crashanddie | hardly "Nobody" |
| 22:28.07 | VDVsx | sorry lcuk, not my intention :( |
| 22:28.08 | lcuk | how are you now you are home? |
| 22:28.08 | crashanddie | plus, she's wearing the one wearing the pants at home |
| 22:28.28 | locutus | does maemo always think theres no connection when it cant resolv its own adress from a DNS server? |
| 22:28.33 | crashanddie | s/wearing // |
| 22:28.34 | lcuk | VDVsx, i know its not documented, but that is in part what summer is for :) |
| 22:29.20 | crashanddie | locutus, context? |
| 22:29.35 | locutus | crashanddie: when using the connection manager |
| 22:29.49 | crashanddie | lcuk, I arrived at my residence nearly 9 hours ago |
| 22:30.08 | crashanddie | locutus, mind being more specific? Use case? |
| 22:30.24 | lcuk | but you dont settle in until your feet are on the desk and you areo n your Nth beer |
| 22:31.01 | crashanddie | "you don't settle in." <-- fixed |
| 22:31.08 | crashanddie | don't forget, I hate this place |
| 22:31.20 | lcuk | good point |
| 22:31.59 | lcuk | this finger tampon is driving me nuts |
| 22:32.12 | crashanddie | is that an oephemism? |
| 22:32.34 | crashanddie | s/oe/eu/ |
| 22:32.36 | lcuk | its turned fluffy |
| 22:33.03 | lcuk | keeps catchin on my stubble and its a big long white thing with string attached |
| 22:33.10 | lcuk | its a finger tampon :| |
| 22:33.15 | crashanddie | 1/ shave |
| 22:33.21 | crashanddie | 2/ don't use it as a tampon |
| 22:33.27 | lcuk | agreed on #2 |
| 22:33.29 | crashanddie | 3/ stop fingering everything around you |
| 22:33.31 | lcuk | but i cant get it wet |
| 22:33.35 | lcuk | its hard to shave with one hand |
| 22:33.45 | crashanddie | hard to shave with one hand? |
| 22:33.52 | crashanddie | How many hands do you need? |
| 22:34.01 | crashanddie | you're a lefty, stop complaining, chop chop |
| 22:34.13 | lcuk | slaps u |
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| 22:34.42 | crashanddie | oi!, I still weigh probably double your weight, and I know where you get pissed |
| 22:35.05 | lcuk | heh ive been there once! |
| 22:35.25 | lcuk | i also nearly fell over the edge- its like rock climbing in there |
| 22:35.32 | crashanddie | well I'll track the fluffy bits of tampon on the trains to find ya |
| 22:35.39 | lcuk | heh |
| 22:36.05 | crashanddie | and bribe enrique fans with loud tunes to tell me where you got off |
| 22:36.07 | crashanddie | (the train) |
| 22:36.38 | lcuk | oh, thats easy jake could tell you every single station lol |
| 22:36.48 | lcuk | he loves goin on the train |
| 22:37.42 | crashanddie | quite funny, on the train back home, I see this (not too bad looking mum) get on, with a portable baby-transporter (can't remember the name) |
| 22:38.16 | crashanddie | anyway, she sits down in front of me, and some dude sits down next to her, they speak english, but she has this accent that sounds so familiar |
| 22:38.48 | crashanddie | she gets her baby, and starts speaking french to the kid, but not the usual kind of french, not just regular french, the accent I detected becomes more distinct |
| 22:39.42 | lcuk | :) |
| 22:40.11 | lcuk | baby-transporter == pram |
| 22:40.19 | crashanddie | I look up from my laptop screen, and ask --speaking french-- if she's from Jodoigne or Wavre in Belgium, she smiles and then realises what I just asked |
| 22:40.21 | lcuk | tho transporter sounds scifi lol |
| 22:40.38 | crashanddie | her eyes grow wide, and her smile disappears |
| 22:41.23 | lcuk | ? |
| 22:41.50 | crashanddie | the dude doesn't like it, and asks her what I just said (he sounded pretty british), she just replies "I don't know who you are, but you shouldn't stalk people like that, or at least introduce yourself" |
| 22:42.40 | crashanddie | I don't get it, she then continues, "where do you know me from?" I explain I recognised her accent, she didn't believe me, they actually changed to the next coach |
| 22:43.00 | lcuk | oooer |
| 22:43.06 | crashanddie | gotta love how people trust ya these days... Do I really look that harmful? |
| 22:43.22 | lcuk | no but you do look official lol |
| 22:43.30 | crashanddie | oh feck off |
| 22:43.54 | Bobbe_ | what's the page for the wiki on how to clone the to an sd card? |
| 22:44.10 | crashanddie | Bobbe, please start making sense |
| 22:44.36 | Bobbe | there's a wiki page with detailed on how to clone maemo to an sd card |
| 22:44.37 | crashanddie | Bobbe, or find the wiki page about english grammar, whichever is more important to you. |
| 22:44.46 | Bobbe | *detailed info |
| 22:44.56 | Bobbe | I missed one word, crashanddie |
| 22:45.07 | Bobbe | crashanddie, a better speaker of the language would have caught it |
| 22:45.10 | Bobbe | but never mind |
| 22:45.18 | lcuk | http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card |
| 22:45.24 | crashanddie | actually, you missed multiple words in consecutive sentences ;) |
| 22:45.40 | thopiekar_tablet | hi |
| 22:45.48 | lcuk | shurrup i understood him |
| 22:45.51 | lcuk | hiya thopiekar_tablet |
| 22:45.56 | Bobbe | thanks lcuk |
| 22:46.02 | lcuk | yw :) |
| 22:46.07 | thopiekar_tablet | is it possible to mount a ftp-server on my tablet? |
| 22:46.12 | crashanddie | Bobbe, and I'll challenge you to my English skills any time of the day ;) |
| 22:46.14 | lcuk | dont see why not |
| 22:46.16 | thopiekar_tablet | hi lcuk :) |
| 22:46.58 | Bobbe | crashanddie, I won't deign to answer that, sorry. I'm older than 12 |
| 22:47.25 | crashanddie | thopiekar_tablet, I don't know if there's any software readily available, would scp not fulfil your needs? |
| 22:48.02 | crashanddie | Bobbe, sure you are :) |
| 22:48.31 | lcuk | damn |
| 22:48.37 | crashanddie | thopiekar_tablet, proftpd seems to be available |
| 22:48.40 | lcuk | i forgot to erase your whiteboard |
| 22:48.55 | thopiekar_tablet | makes it possible to mount the ftp on the root-fs? |
| 22:49.18 | Bobbe | oh, and by the way, fulfill is double-l |
| 22:49.34 | thopiekar_tablet | the root-fs of my tablet.. |
| 22:51.20 | crashanddie | Bobbe, single L is british english, kthxbai :) |
| 22:51.34 | Bobbe | which ur not |
| 22:51.50 | Bobbe | ok, me out |
| 22:52.06 | crashanddie | and I'm not allowed to speak British English based on what grounds? |
| 22:52.26 | crashanddie | I should speak American English because I wasn't born on some ground part of the UK? |
| 22:53.03 | thopiekar_tablet | cu l8er |
| 22:53.08 | crashanddie | thopiekar_tablet, take care |
| 22:53.16 | thopiekar_tablet | (sleep'n) |
| 22:53.37 | crashanddie | thopiekar_tablet, you should be able to mount a partition over SSH also, just FYI :) |
| 22:53.47 | crashanddie | thopiekar_tablet, have a good one |
| 22:54.04 | thopiekar_tablet | thx , crashanddie |
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| 23:15.52 | Bobbe | is there something similar to nano (or the old pico) for the n800? I personally find vi quite annoying |
| 23:16.46 | mavhc | there's nano |
| 23:16.50 | ShadowJK | enable extras, get root, apt-get install nano |
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| 23:19.35 | Bobbe | Thx |
| 23:27.18 | ShadowJK | the top-10 download list on garage is scary :-) |
| 23:28.06 | luke-jr | link? |
| 23:29.33 | ShadowJK | https://garage.maemo.org/ |
| 23:29.52 | ShadowJK | that python for s60 has shot up to second place in just a few weeks :) |
| 23:30.01 | luke-jr | GAH |
| 23:30.04 | luke-jr | the Japanese again |
| 23:30.28 | ShadowJK | lol |
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| 23:55.54 | mavhc | why is it on maemo.org? |
| 23:56.04 | ShadowJK | dunno :) |
| 23:56.07 | ShadowJK | it was on sourceforge before |
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