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00:54.56dmsupermanDoes maemo use something beside X?
00:55.08dmsupermanWhat's the window manager / desktop environment called?
00:56.06x29ahildon?
00:56.11x29ai have no clue actually
00:56.13penguinbaitmatchbox
00:56.18penguinbaitis the WM
00:56.31penguinbaithildon is the desktop
00:56.39dmsupermanWhat's hildon, I know I've seen that
00:56.42dmsupermanIS that the DE?
00:56.50GAN8001There's a Wikipedia article on it
00:57.00GAN8001It's the DE and a mobile GTK extension.
00:57.41dmsupermanAh
00:57.44dmsupermanThanks :)
00:57.49dmsupermanwanders over to wikipedia
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00:58.57x29ai wonder if he knows he can be on multiple "locations" on the internet
00:59.02x29alike irc AND wikipedia
00:59.23locutusand he could probably have found this on wikipedia in the first place
00:59.23GAN8001Nah, he's just using us for information. :(
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02:43.45luke-jrcan the N810 be overclocked?
02:43.47luke-jr(safely)
02:43.53GeneralAntillesNo
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02:44.22KurtKrautluke-jr: why do you need more processing power?
02:45.08luke-jrKurtKraut: Portage is too slow
02:45.30luke-jrglares at Python
02:48.06locutusurgh
02:48.16locutusi've spent the last 4 hours trying to get Python to build on OSF/1
02:48.18locutusHATE PYTHON
02:48.19locutusMUST
02:48.20locutusKILL
02:48.34Firebirdwhat the
02:48.35locutuswhen i come to Power, things will be Different!
02:50.57luke-jr…
02:51.09luke-jrplease, by all means do
02:51.13luke-jrbut first replace it with Perl
02:51.15luke-jr:D
02:51.58locutusno Perl is higher on the list of languages which will be forbidden on penalty of death
02:52.09locutusdude, PERL, SICK
02:53.10luke-jrPerl is awesome
02:53.39locutusi think theres a special place in hell for perl-lovers
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02:54.04Firebirdeh, interpreted languages
02:55.04luke-jrlocutus: you've just never bothered to learn it!
02:55.23luke-jrFirebird: well, Python is compiled
02:55.27luke-jrPerl can't eb
02:55.30luke-jrbe*
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02:56.10mtsu_Mattpython is compiled into byte code for the python interupter
02:56.25mtsu_Mattnot the same as just "compiled" because most people take that to mean machine code
02:56.37luke-jrit can be compiled to machine code ;)
02:56.50mtsu_Mattthrough what, pyscho?
02:57.34mtsu_Matt(that wasn't name calling, theres a program/module called pyscho)
02:57.45luke-jrpretty sure there's a full compiler too somewhere
02:57.47luke-jrmaybe incomplete
02:58.05Firebirdmore complete than lets say.. gcc?
02:58.16mtsu_Mattnot stable, standard
02:58.39mtsu_Matthey I love python, but if its compiled, it probably isn't 100% python at that point
02:59.05luke-jrmtsu_Matt: Python has a spec now, and at least 2 implementations
02:59.07mtsu_Mattalso, if it's "compiled" by embedding the interupter into the exe, thats cheating
02:59.22mtsu_Mattit has many implementations
02:59.34mtsu_Mattmostly of interupters
02:59.54luke-jrwhatever
02:59.57luke-jrI don't even like Python
03:00.02mtsu_Mattif you keep all of its features, those features are hard to compare to compiled code
03:00.20locutusnow can i get a lisp machine again? ;-)
03:00.24locutusducks and runs for cover
03:00.32mtsu_Matt(((((((sure))))))
03:01.05locutus\o/
03:01.12luke-jryou scared b-man off!
03:02.24luke-jrI hope someone implements a major breakthrough in battery storage so I can get a handheld with that nice 1.3 GHz MIPS CPU in it
03:02.42mtsu_Matthell yeah
03:02.59luke-jrthe one with hardware-assisted x86 emulation
03:03.02mtsu_Mattand if anyone fucks with you, hit a button and turn it into a grenade
03:03.21Firebirda pretty expensive grenade
03:03.24luke-jrLoongson 3
03:03.42luke-jrThe 65nm Loongson 3 (Godson-3) is able to run at a clock speed between 1.0 to 1.2 GHz, with 4 CPU cores (10W) first and 8 cores later (20W), and it is expected to debute in 2010.
03:03.44mtsu_Mattdepends
03:03.44GeneralAntillesMIPS is shit
03:03.52luke-jrLoongson 3 adds over 200 new instructions to speed up x86 instruction execution at a cost of 5% of the total die area. The new instructions help QEMU translate x86 instructions by lowering the overhead of executing x86/CISC-style instructions in the MIPS pipeline. With additional improvements in QEMU from ICT, Loongson-3 achives an average of 70% the performance of executing native binaries while running x86 binaries from nine benchmarks.
03:03.53GeneralAntillesWhy in the world would you want MIPS?
03:04.26Firebirddoesn't VGBA have an option to use it?
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03:04.42luke-jrFirebird: I fail to see how VGBA could benefit from it -.-
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03:05.18Firebirdnvm its something else
03:05.49churlso on the command line, where are the "shared folders" (if you were looking at them with "file manager"?
03:05.49GeneralAntillesI dunno why anybody would want MIPS over ARM
03:06.08luke-jrGeneralAntilles: licensing costs?
03:06.16churli want to reach out and touch my server
03:06.37GeneralAntillesI really don't know why somebody ho takes such a hard line about open source would care about x86 emulation.
03:06.45GeneralAntillesluke-jr, MIPS is slow compared to ARM.
03:07.11Firebirdchurl, like the Documents Games all those folders? ~/MyDocs/.*
03:07.20luke-jrGeneralAntilles: I highly doubt the 600 MHz ARM planned for RX-53 will be faster than a quad-core 1.2 GHz MIPS
03:07.50GeneralAntillesluke-jr, RX-51, and the Cortex A8 is 2 years old at this point
03:07.57luke-jrexactly :p
03:08.04GeneralAntillesComparing a 2 year old tech to unreleased tech is silly.
03:08.32GeneralAntillesIf you want a useful comparison, compare a 1GHz quad-core 45nm Cortex A9 (OMAP4).
03:08.49GeneralAntillesWhich will kick the shit out of that MIPS.
03:08.53locutusheh
03:09.09churlFirebird: um, not sure, i have my server to auto mount (i think!) with my tablet.  so, when in "file manager" navigation takes forever, so i was thinking i would just get there with the command line.
03:09.31Pavlovthere are no cortex a9 chpis shipping are there?
03:10.02GeneralAntillesPavlov, I think they've got very early engineering samples, but, no, production stuff wont be seen until 2010.
03:10.13GeneralAntillesWhich fits right with the timeline for luke-jr's MIPS thing.
03:10.13churlFirebird: i want to get to my server, but not any of the other computers on the network, (all these things that are under "shared folders" in "file manager"
03:10.26Pavlovmostly cause i want one if someone has one ;)
03:10.28locutuslets forget that the longsoon is a superscalar design, the OMAP4 isnt
03:10.38locutusso the MIPS will probably be *significantly* faster
03:10.52churlPavlov: it's all about how you respond to things, right?
03:11.08GeneralAntilleslocutus, since when?
03:11.14GeneralAntillesCortex is superscalar.
03:11.27luke-jrsuperscalar?
03:11.47locutusah my bad, Cortex is superscalar yeah
03:11.51GeneralAntilleshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_Cortex-A9_MPCore
03:11.55churlPavlov: what?  My poor joke doesn't ring a bell?
03:12.10mtsu_Mattseems like in alot of ways, when we say faster, we ought to be talking about speed in terms of computation per watt, and for most systems, how well it runs multi-core
03:12.19locutusGeneralAntilles: still, only 2 issues
03:12.22GeneralAntillesPavlov, I bet you'll be able to get your hands on SOMETHING by the end of this year.
03:12.27locutusGeneralAntilles: the Loongson does 4 issues
03:12.29PavlovGeneralAntilles: yeah, most likely
03:12.31Firebirdchurl, try typing mount in the console and see where that gets you
03:12.37mtsu_Mattsystem are going to either really care about power, or are going to have a bunch of cores
03:12.43mtsu_Mattor both
03:13.04GeneralAntillesmtsu_Matt, the thing about multicore ARM is that you can achieve really epic powersaving.
03:13.32GeneralAntillesA dual-core ARM chip clocked at 500MHz will use SIGNIFICANTLY less power than a single-core 1GHz one.
03:13.36mtsu_Mattonly thing we need super fast procs for at this point is algorithms that are impossible to parallel well
03:13.42GeneralAntillesSince the voltage doesn't scale linearly.
03:13.44mtsu_Mattgood to know
03:14.26luke-jranyone know what mtum.ko is?
03:14.31churlFirebird: thanks, i see my two sd cards, maybe i can figure out which of all that other stuff is what i need :)
03:14.33GeneralAntillesPower saving over multiple cores scales well to demand, too.
03:15.03mtsu_Mattyep, usually you can just turn a core off if not needed, can't you?
03:15.32GeneralAntillesmtsu_Matt, ARM core are basically off when they're idle.
03:15.36mtsu_Mattfiner granularity to how you schedule things
03:15.40mtsu_Mattwith more cores
03:15.54GeneralAntillesIt's hilarious that powersaving features that have been in ARM for years that are now just appearing in x86 are being touted as revolutionary new stuff.
03:15.56mtsu_Mattyeah, thats what I mean GA
03:15.59GeneralAntillesLike shutting off idle cores.
03:16.23luke-jrmtum?
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03:16.59fireun"that stupid embedded crap"
03:17.16churlwhat's the native text editor in maemo lol im sorry!
03:17.21luke-jr?
03:17.23mtsu_Mattvi
03:17.26churlok
03:17.30churllol
03:17.52mtsu_MattI'm not sure if I was joking there or not...
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03:18.44mtsu_MattI got ssh client and server running on my new N810 today at school, ssh'd into it, and then back to the linux box I was on. my Boss was there and was just shaking his head at me
03:19.02jackn00biethanks again guys the the vi inf0
03:19.34mtsu_Mattyou use vi much?
03:20.05mtsu_Mattmain problem I have with vi is on the N810 there is no keyboard ESC
03:20.20GeneralAntillesmtsu_Matt, kidding, right?
03:20.25mtsu_Mattand using the virtual one makes it much more awkward
03:20.32mtsu_Mattabout vi?
03:20.38churlmy girlfriend uses vim and teases me about using nano...... just to let everyone know
03:20.44mtsu_Mattheh
03:20.45GeneralAntillesmtsu_Matt, hint: there's a dedicated escape button right on the face.
03:20.54mtsu_Mattoh, sweet
03:21.07mtsu_Mattwell, glad I said something then, huh?
03:21.28mtsu_Mattlike I said, I just got it
03:22.48fireunpico!
03:23.01churl*now teasing girlfriend that she told me to check /etc/hosts and not fstab
03:23.04luke-jrmtsu_Matt: is your Fn key working?
03:23.34mtsu_Mattyeah
03:23.44luke-jrhow?
03:24.00mtsu_Mattwhen I press it it changes input modes?
03:24.18mtsu_Mattam I missing something?
03:24.37luke-jroh wait
03:24.39luke-jrnm
03:24.50luke-jrI thought you were using console for some reason XD
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03:41.24churli want to get to my samba server from the command line on my tablet.  can i follow something similar to this:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=939732  to get it working, or is there a better way?
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03:42.07churldogzilla?
03:42.25churlsudo apt-get install dogzilla?
03:43.37error_23that's not all we're apt-get-installing around here
03:44.04churli hear they're working on a new maemo
03:44.35churland that might be why no one's talking in here anymore
03:44.44churlthat and it's past my bedtime
03:45.29churlive got an algebra test tomorrow and a englesh test im sure to fail!
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03:49.30penguinbaitviva la communidad
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04:56.03pjrmhow can i get my garage.maemo.org wiki password reset or mailed to me?
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05:30.27Meiz_n810morning all
05:36.22RST38hmorning meiz
05:37.19StsN801heh, just received qi, uboot src in the mail
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06:12.31GAN8001Ordered a 5800
06:12.39GAN8001I'm such a tech junky.
06:12.52fireunadmitting your problem....
06:12.53luke-jra what?
06:13.05fireunnokia phone?
06:13.30StskeepsGAN8001: pre-rx-51 psychosis? :P
06:14.01GAN8001Stskeeps, that, and crazy discounts on Nokia USA
06:14.17GAN800135% off
06:15.08pjrmyou do know that it's what it costs that counts, not what number they make up for "x% off", don't you?
06:15.09kfxwith 35% off that phone only cost around nine million dollars!
06:17.22GeneralAntillespjrm, yes, I'm not an idiot, thanks. ;)
06:17.27pjrm:)
06:17.37GeneralAntillesThe price was cheaper than any place else on the net.
06:18.12GeneralAntillesand vaguely competitive with Dell's ~$200 sale they had last week.
06:19.05fireunahha! relativistic sales
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06:45.06radic_Stskeeps: you are awake?
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06:58.53GeneralAntillesI like how your avatar ended up cropped, Stskeeps. :P
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06:59.34Stskeepsyeah, grr :P
06:59.49Stskeepsit's a neat "me" though.
06:59.59Stskeepsme me me me ;)
07:00.03GeneralAntillesIt's so appropriate, though, what with your massive ego and all. :P
07:00.06Stskeepsyup
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07:00.40Stskeeps.. u-boot is huge.
07:00.51Stskeepswho the fuck needs reiserfs on a embedded device? :P
07:01.00luke-jrROFL
07:02.08GAN8001Stskeeps, I feel a wife murder joke coming on, but I'm too tired to do it myself. ;)
07:02.15Stskeepshehe
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07:08.53jaem_N810hey folks
07:09.21jaem_N810Stskeeps: so, what was it that you wanted help with?
07:09.58Stskeepser. what exactly it was escapes me right now
07:09.59Stskeepssec
07:10.09jaem_N810lol
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07:12.01Stskeeps..
07:12.13Stskeepsso penguinbait forked a forum, interesting
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07:13.50Stskeepsi'd like to go on record and say that that forum makes my eyes hurt bleed more than the orange link iTT
07:14.22luke-jrStskeeps: where?
07:14.42Stskeepshttp://tablethacker.com/forum/
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07:16.05qgilbergie good morning
07:16.15Stskeepsheh, just quit ;)
07:16.20qgilargh, missed for 8 seconds
07:16.30qgil7 actually
07:16.44qgilmeh
07:17.36kfxso uh
07:17.41kfxI'm reading this blog post
07:17.52kfxwhere all he talks about is how much he misses the dark theme
07:17.59kfx...which I currently use at maemo.org ...
07:18.20qgiloh no, here as well  ;)
07:18.23Stskeepshehe
07:18.32kfx...and which is basically the opposite of the theme his forum is using
07:18.39Stskeepsqgil: at least the tone is better here :)
07:18.40luke-jr>_<
07:18.44kfxI'm gonna go a head and not try to understand this
07:18.46qgiljust wait  ;)
07:18.57kfxs/a head/ahead/;
07:19.17luke-jrkfx: s/(?<=a)\s(?=head)//;
07:19.32luke-jrruns.
07:20.10Stskeepsponders if he should wake the gf or let her sleep
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07:20.35kfxdo you have any idea how much memory you just wasted with that regex >:(
07:20.53luke-jrkfx: depends on your PCRE implementation, of course
07:21.17kfxoh, it's all perl in this house
07:21.35luke-jrI still don't know. ;p
07:25.16luke-jrmy wife is going to be pissed I'm up this late ^^
07:25.22luke-jroh well
07:25.30luke-jrgoes back to fiddling with newer wifi firmware
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07:27.09mtsu_Mattwell, its past midnight and I still haven't bricked my n810
07:27.23kfxmtsu_Matt: you're not trying hard enough
07:27.25mtsu_Matt(there were bets this morning I would by then)
07:27.32kfxremind me to give you a screenguardz thing tomorrow
07:27.40mtsu_Mattwoot, thanks
07:27.46mtsu_Mattlan party at 2pm
07:27.54mtsu_MattI might just show up and sleep
07:28.01kfxclassy
07:28.13luke-jrmtsu_Matt: wanna be Gentoo user number 4?
07:28.20luke-jror maybe number 5, not sure if that other guy installed
07:28.21mtsu_Mattindeed, I'll probably do better that way
07:28.39mtsu_Mattgentoo user #5 in general, or on the n810?
07:28.43luke-jrN810
07:28.44luke-jr:p
07:28.53luke-jrwell, N8x0
07:28.59mtsu_Mattnot atm, hows it running so far?
07:29.01luke-jrI think 2 of the others only have n800
07:29.07luke-jrit's working
07:29.09mtsu_Mattare you cross compiling?
07:29.11luke-jrno
07:29.14luke-jrtoo lazy
07:29.17mtsu_Matton the phone?
07:29.22mtsu_Mattwell, "device"
07:29.25luke-jryeah
07:29.35mtsu_Mattheh, you crazy peoples
07:29.40luke-jr;)
07:29.43mtsu_Matthow long does it take usually?
07:29.47luke-jrdunno
07:29.57luke-jrdo you want all KDE 4.2? probably a few weeks
07:30.18mtsu_Mattmeh, I want a light weight wm for it
07:30.21luke-jrunless you steal my bin pkgs
07:30.27luke-jrheh
07:30.33luke-jrI wouldn't mind light weight
07:30.37luke-jrbut it has to be Qt4 ö
07:30.59mtsu_Mattits not like we're all running different hardware on it, not much need to all be compiling the same software
07:31.13mtsu_Mattunless theres some customization you want
07:31.37luke-jrheh
07:31.42luke-jrI think we've unified on -Os
07:31.54kfxmtsu_Matt: you want a lighter-weight wm than matchbox?
07:32.11mtsu_Mattno, that was in response to "KDE"
07:32.16kfxoh
07:32.22kfxcos I've almost got dwm ported
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07:32.40mtsu_MattI mean, I could try one, but I wasn't complaining
07:33.40kfxthe drawback to a tiling wm on this thing is the constant out-of-memory notifications I get
07:33.53RST38hreMoo
07:34.10mtsu_MattI installed ntpdate and it left a script in if-up.d but it doesn't seem to run on network connections
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07:34.36mtsu_Mattare you running too much at once kfx?
07:34.39kfxI've been using conler to handle that
07:35.05mtsu_Mattah, thx
07:35.10kfxapparently if you run the browser, e-mail client, chat app, and garnet vm at once it's too much
07:35.19luke-jrmtsu_Matt: why ntpdate?
07:35.41luke-jrI love that ntpd works with gpsd
07:36.10kfxthe problem with gpsd is getting a gps fix
07:36.15luke-jrshrug
07:36.18luke-jrI just leave it running XD
07:37.04mtsu_Mattso, installing with apt-get seems so much quicker/easier some times that the app manager
07:37.56kfxthe app manager seems to be some kind of stripped-down synaptic-like thing
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07:38.11mtsu_Mattseems like it
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07:39.29RST38hNokia N97 pre-order falls to $524.25 in the US
07:39.36RST38h(there is still hope!)
07:40.07RST38h$400 and I am taken =)
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07:58.49mtsu_MattI can't get conler to save any of my changes
07:58.55mtsu_Mattat all, not even adding APs
07:59.05mtsu_Mattand I have rebooted
07:59.10mtsu_Mattguess I need to reinstall
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08:17.42pupnikget people to buy those top end nokia phones :)
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08:30.17thuxgrr, nokiaplayer doesn't like sound-juicer's m4as
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08:55.08mtsu_Mattsweet, I got conler to work
08:55.46mtsu_Mattall I had to do, was chown .config in /home/user to user from root, and make a blank conler.xml which it was missing
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09:41.46RST38hAwfully quiet here
09:42.05jeremiah_RST38h: Yeah, what's up with that?
09:43.12RST38hjeremiah: Dunno, although it makes me feel like pasting SCP quotes.
09:43.25jeremiah_heh
09:44.24jeremiah_We need to create some kind of 'controversy bot' that emulates old discussions
09:44.24floriangood morning
09:44.24Stskeepsjeremiah_: bacon?
09:44.24Stskeeps:P
09:44.24jeremiah_Hello there.
09:44.37jeremiah_Stskeeps: How could you possibly say "bacon"?
09:44.40jeremiah_I am shocked!
09:44.43Stskeepshehe
09:44.43jeremiah_SHOCKED!
09:45.07RST38hjeremiah: Ah we can do it pretty well without the bot
09:45.15jeremiah_yep
09:45.17RST38hDARK ITT DESIGN NOW!!! =)
09:45.18jeremiah_true dat
09:45.22RST38hducks
09:45.31jeremiah_If you want dark, use irssi
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09:45.39RST38his already isung ircii
09:45.43Stskeeps'I think PB has been around long enough and done enough for this community to be trusted. He's done more for the tablets and the people here than any of the council members, I might add.'
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09:45.57Stskeepsafter linus.wav..
09:46.10jeremiah_PB?
09:46.18Stskeepsjeremiah_: iTT wars
09:46.20RST38hSts: I am all for PB, but maybe it will be more entertaining if I just cut&paste from dailyrotten.com ? =)
09:46.34StskeepsRST38h: it's kinda similar i guess
09:46.36jeremiah_I suck at staying up to date with iTT
09:46.48Stskeepsjeremiah_: i would just skip the last week :)
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09:47.03jeremiah_Is it all about the look of talk.m.o?
09:47.06RST38hAfghanistan's only known pig has been taken off display at Kabul Zoo and locked away to avoid panic among visitors who may be worried about swine flu... The interned animal -- known simply as Pig -- was one of two given to Afghanistan by China in 2002, months after the ouster of the hardline Taliban regime
09:47.11Stskeepsjeremiah_: still.. :P
09:47.15jeremiah_w00t
09:47.25RST38hSts: I am sure you won't argue that dailyrotten is way more entertaining =)
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09:47.56derfRST38h: The bit about the lion is sad.
09:48.20RST38hderf: Yea, but it is 2004 dailyrotten
09:50.15StskeepsRST38h: there's definately several people that are close to ending up on a ignore from me :P
09:52.19lardmanmorning
09:52.23Stskeepsmorning lardman
09:52.32lardmanI hope I'm not one of them! ;)
09:52.50samueldrthere's always a way to test
09:53.08Stskeepsyeah, - "did you see my post on X"? "which post, can't seem to find it" :P
09:53.36lardmansamueldr: I should abuse Stskeeps and see if he reacts? ;)
09:53.44lcukStskeeps, you want me?
09:53.46Stskeepsah, control panel -> edit ignore list
09:53.48Stskeepslcuk: huh? :P
09:53.51lcukmy baconphone was flashing
09:53.53samueldryup lardman
09:53.53lardmanlcuk: don't we all!
09:53.54Stskeepshehe
09:54.16samueldroh, bacon
09:54.26lardmanmmmmm
09:54.35samueldrare you bacon lard, lardman ?
09:54.50lardmanI'd like to think that's the majority
09:55.00lcuklardman, your idea to make bacon an automatic highlight word in irc was inspired
09:55.17lcuknow wherever in the world bacon is mentioned i hear about it !
09:55.26lardmanI wonder what infobot thinks...?
09:55.28lardman~bacon
09:55.29infobotbacon is, like, a filling substance which will make you even fatter than you already are... Take my advice, bacon is a food for the gods or for underweight models such as that McBeal chick...
09:55.32lardmanyay!
09:55.36Stskeepslcuk: what framebuffer stuff btw
09:55.50samueldrhmmm, I /am/ underweight, I think...
09:55.51lcukwhere, what?
09:56.04Stskeepslcuk: you mentioned something about my framebuffer.. :P
09:56.14Stskeeps(liqbase related)
09:56.24lcukwas i drugged up? ahhhh yeah i will have been
09:56.39Stskeepsprobably.
09:56.45Stskeepsi canáº't tell occasionally ;)
09:57.10lcuk:O
09:57.31lcukshould be less now, had everything redone and its all padded and bandaged properly i cant bend it if i want anymore
09:57.44lcukso im not needing the meds :)
09:58.07lcukcasts his mind back tho
09:58.21lcukyour framebuffer currently does fullscreen refreshes each time doesnt it
09:58.45lcukunlike the one in diablo which uses small rectangles and stuff
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10:00.11Stskeepslcuk: .. in mer/n8x0 yeah
10:00.58lcukdoes it do 16 or 24bit updates do you know
10:01.31Stskeepsno idea sorry
10:01.55lcukheh tis ok, it was just an idea
10:02.25lcukdid you see i put the playtest up last night in #liqbase
10:03.12Stskeepsno sorry, collapsed in bed :P
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10:09.22lcukbbl work
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10:12.32RST38hSts: me? [winks]
10:14.05StskeepsRST38h: nah
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10:17.05samueldrwhat holiday Stskeeps ?
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10:27.17lardman_ooh, freewire looks cool
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10:46.40lardman_Stskeeps: is it just me or has there been little Mer-chatter?
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10:50.24Stskeepslardman: two digests in the last 24 hours i think
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10:52.08lardmanhmm, not working for me then, will have to look and see if I need to confirm my joining
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10:55.58qgilIf removing a dot takes a whole thread - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=28829
10:56.16qgilthen no wonder we need to improve other processes, more complex
10:57.44X-Fadeqgil: ;)
10:57.51Stskeepsat least it didn't evolve into a poll.
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10:58.02X-Fadeqgil: Change it to 18000 btw ;)
10:58.07lardmanStskeeps: school-boy error, forgot to confirm my join
10:58.17Stskeepshehe, archives should have what you missed :)
11:00.46Stskeepsthis habit of logging into chinese forums with translate.google.com must stop. then again, a community that friggen xrays the device it's for, is rather fascinating.
11:01.10pupnikwow the casio ex-f1 records pics continuously to a 60fps buffer
11:01.11pupnikso you can capture the picture before you hit the shutter button
11:01.12pupnikthat is AWESOME
11:01.56qgilX-Fade: 18000 done (whatever you say, I'm easy)  :)
11:01.58RST38hmoo pupnik
11:02.03RST38hheya lardman, X-Fade
11:02.04pupnikhi hi
11:02.31X-Fadeqgil: Yeah, it keeps growing so ;)
11:02.32lardmanhey RST38h, pupnik
11:02.44RST38hpupnik: Casio had that for a while
11:03.13RST38hpupnik: Even my late 750 had it
11:03.42pupnikah cool
11:04.00pupnikwhat's goin on you guys? :)
11:04.01lardmanbut at 60fps?
11:04.06lardmanthat is pretty quick
11:04.11pupnikthe thing records up to 1200fps
11:04.14lardmanand it's full res too
11:04.27lardmanwow, that is quick
11:04.48RST38hlardman: 750 did either 30 or 60 fps in video mode, I no longer remember
11:05.04RST38hand yes, f1 records at frigging 1200fps
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11:05.28pupnikfull HD recording.   H.264 encoding in addition to mpeg4
11:05.36Stskeepsmorning b-man
11:05.48pupniklgalglgaglgagl
11:06.00b-manmorning Stskeeps :)
11:08.45RST38hwould still prefer a Canon to that Casio: Casios have become extremely gimmicky over the years
11:09.09lardmanyeah, but a cool gimmick for watching rocket launches (models that is)
11:09.15RST38hThe one we have right now produces images that are slightly better than ones from a good smartphone
11:09.19lardmannot sure I can justify that sort of money though :)
11:14.01Stskeepsponders how to emulate the blurred background to mean esc on a non-dpad + back button tablet
11:16.02lardmanblurred background?
11:16.23lardmanclick there for escape? /me has ignored the talk of the new dialogs without cancel buttons
11:17.06lardmancould always just change the brightness of the background
11:17.25Stskeepsmm
11:17.37Stskeepswell you know that in a dialog that the window behind fades
11:17.43Stskeepsin fremantle
11:17.44lardmannope
11:17.59Stskeepsthe idea to click "esc" is to click outside the dialog
11:18.09Stskeepswhich when you try it actually makes a lot of sense
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11:20.17lardmanyeah I saw the "discussions" about that
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11:22.24aquatixwouldn't mind having some demo video of fremantle
11:22.34aquatixares there any online?
11:22.35Stskeepsthere's a modest screencast i think
11:22.38aquatix*are
11:22.43aquatixgoogles
11:27.20RST38hRumor on the street has it that Wal-Mart has sold more ammo year-to-date than any other year in its history.
11:27.23cosmowonders why people use /me
11:27.29Stskeepsit's irc. :P
11:27.56RST38hbrings out a huge cannon, places cosmo inside and sends him straight to the Moon
11:28.04RST38hTHAT is why.
11:28.22lardmanderf: ping
11:28.23X-Fade<PROTECTED>
11:28.29X-Fade*form
11:28.41Stskeepsyeah, except not restricted to 160chars ;)
11:28.48derflardman: Pong.
11:29.07lardmanderf: does the QR code test app produce output?
11:29.14derfYes.
11:29.16lardmanis thinking about those chocolates :)
11:29.35lardmancool
11:30.22cosmothinks it's friday afternoon
11:31.40derfFor example:
11:31.42derf./qrreader ../data/zxing-1/1.png
11:31.42derfMEBKM:URL:http\://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page;;
11:32.13lardmandoes it output to the UI too?
11:32.24derfIs it even hooked up to the UI?
11:32.31lardmanyeah I just wondered that
11:32.33lardman:)
11:32.37derfAFAIK, it is not.
11:32.53lardmanI'll have to plumb it into the UI for a quick and hacky chocolate hunt app
11:32.56lardman:)
11:33.00derfI'd probably have to also actually do DoCoMo tag parsing for that.
11:33.22lardmanwell I'm happy if I can read the output and then copy& paste it, etc
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11:33.47derfRight, but somewhere down the line the users are not going to want to stare at "MEBKM" crap.
11:34.11lardmanindeed, that should be reasonably straight forward though
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11:35.03lardmanis there an authoratitive list anywhere that you know of off hand?
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11:38.20lardmani-mode codes?
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11:40.15Stskeeps'lo t_s_o
11:40.29t_s_oStskeeps
11:41.43xnt14:P b-man kept his acer on all night I guess
11:41.51xnt14Hello world
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11:43.20lardmanhttp://www.nttdocomo.co.jp/english/service/imode/make/content/barcode/function/application/
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11:46.50xnt14http://gizmodo.com/5245315/miniaturized-hdmi-connector-is-as-small-as-micro-usb-still-drives-your-hdtv      omap3 hd + rx-51 + this?
11:47.18Stskeepsinteresting
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11:48.11lardmanwould be happy with just rx-51 on its own ;)
11:49.19StskeepsÂsomething's wrong in the world if a bootloader has 50mb source
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11:49.41lardmanlots of comments?
11:49.44Stskeepsu-boot
11:49.48Stskeepsit's practically it's own OS.
11:49.56lardman:)
11:50.26xnt14:) yup, I would just like it as an option, but im  not going to kill my self if it isn't there :P
11:50.36xnt14http://gizmodo.com/5245112/oregon-man-used-an-electric-dog-collar-to-shock-his-kids-because-he-thought-it-was-funny      really messed up
11:50.43Stskeepshomer? :P
11:50.52xnt14:P
11:52.43ShadowJKyou know, youtube is full of people with electric dog collars
11:53.12xnt14:P yeah, but a 3 year old?
11:53.49xnt14<quote>
11:53.50xnt142:43 AM
11:53.50xnt14does anyone else thinks that he should be wearing the collar, and the kids should be in charge of the remote? Now that would be a hoot! Nothing like watching a fat guy squirm in pain.
11:53.56xnt14</quote>
11:54.05xnt14yup I agree with him
11:54.32xnt143 yr old mashing the remote
11:54.51xnt14that guy really deserves it
11:58.08Mikhowould anyone know how to type '|' with N810?
11:58.17xnt14the Chr Key
11:58.28xnt14to the bottem left or the kb
11:58.33xnt14*of
11:58.42Mikhonothin happens when I press it
11:58.56xnt14press it and a menu should come up
11:59.22MikhoI'm using the X terminal, and nothing comes up
11:59.25xnt14then scroll until you find the "|" and just tap it
11:59.52Mikhoscroll?
11:59.54xnt14well I really don't remember exactly  I don't have my n810 with me
12:00.03xnt14left right arrows on the screen
12:00.14ShadowJK<Mikho> nothin happens when I press it
12:00.19ShadowJKThere's nothing to scroll because of that ^
12:00.42ShadowJKbtw, Ctrl (on the right) is not same as Chr (on the left)
12:00.59MikhoI get a key sound, but otherwise there's no effect
12:01.10xnt14soft kb?
12:01.28xnt14enable the finger keyboard or stylus if you prefer
12:01.36ShadowJKwhy
12:01.51Mikhohm, I have japanese input installed
12:02.02Mikhomaybe it conflicts somehow
12:02.22xnt14well I don't know, I don't have it right now (my n810)
12:03.23ShadowJKbtw, a better way to use xterm: xterm menu -> Settings -> Toolbar Shortcut -> New -> Title: bar Value: bar -> OK -> Close -> OK
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12:16.52Mikhoah, scim, the source of all evil
12:17.08Mikhouninstall + reboot promptly resolved all my worries
12:17.08xnt14:P
12:17.12xnt14:)
12:17.42xnt14MAJOR FAIL: http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/07/mpaa-suggests-teachers-videotape-tvs-instead-of-ripping-dvds-se/    xD
12:17.43Mikhoearlier scim prevented me from typing anything into some certain java password fields
12:18.00xnt14root of all evil indeed
12:18.27MikhoI have a doubt it also destroys my ubuntu upgrade processes without fail
12:18.58xnt14to what? 8.10 to 9.04?
12:19.05Mikhoall my friends are able to upgrade without problems, but for some reason, 100% of my upgrades fail and destroy the os
12:19.14Mikhoevery time since 7.04 or sth
12:19.16xnt14is still on 8.10
12:19.23xnt14:(
12:19.27Mikhono, since 6.something
12:20.28xnt14's first linux distro that wasn't hard for a 7/8 year old to learn was ubuntu 7.04
12:20.53xnt14my dad was like oh look at this thing called fedora :P so hard back then
12:21.43xnt14now f11 screwed up grub on my xps, now to boot I have to do "configfile (hd0,4)/boot/grub/menu.lst" :P
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12:31.16xnt14ok guys I have to go to school, Ill try to get in here via xnt|school at 11:00
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12:39.55qgilwow, penguinbait is now a secessionist - http://tablethacker.com/forum/
12:40.37ShadowJKthe hell, it's a forum about itself?
12:40.41qgilreally thinks he needs new hardware in his desk. Pandora or someone, please do something :)
12:40.55RST38hqgil: Get a SmartQ.
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12:41.05ShadowJK"get" is easier said than done :)
12:41.21ShadowJKAlthough I guess one could fly to hongkong :)
12:41.30RST38hShadowJK: Sts has got agents all over China, he corresponds with them via Google Translate
12:41.36RST38hSo, he should know where to get it =)
12:41.37qgilhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=285479#post285479
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12:42.05RST38hqgil: Well, is it somehow unusual?
12:42.17t_s_oi have seen online tantrums, but this is getting silly...
12:43.03ShadowJKI mean, it's a bit silly (but mostly harmless) when people talk about doing things they aren't... but now talking about talking about things they aren't doing...
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12:50.28lardmanGeneralAntilles: you about?
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12:57.00lardmanhmm, what threading model does one using in GTK+?
12:57.04lardmanis there a default?
12:57.12lardmans/using/use
12:57.56RST38hwhy would it use a certain threading model?
12:58.11lardmanwell does one use POSIX threads for example?
12:58.21lardmanas opposed to LinuxThreads?
12:59.07lcuklardman, you broke my image renderer \@
12:59.10RST38hdoes not think GTK+ uses threads at all
12:59.10lardmanah, pthreads is part of glibc
12:59.21lardmanlcuk: what my picture? :D
12:59.31RST38hLinux Threads are dead if you choose to believe Wiki
12:59.37lcukur greyscale picture broke the renderer :$
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13:00.09lcuk"E: lardman, too fat to fit color data, seg phault"
13:00.16lardmanlcuk: finally someone spotted the EasterEgg in my picture, hmmm
13:00.24lardmanlcuk: oi!
13:00.26lcukheh
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13:00.48lardmanif I were a lesser man, or less of a man, or less fat bascially, I could become offended
13:00.58lardman:)
13:01.16lcuk:) you and a few others broekd the renderer
13:01.48lardmandoesn't like grayscale then?
13:01.51lcuki suppose at some point it will need fixing, but for now it meant you werent included in the zooming wall
13:01.54Stskeepsi'm seriously wondering if i should bother answering to the hacker forum thread or just keep banging my head in the table over it.
13:01.56lcukno, my fail
13:03.01lardmanI don't see why we don't just create some subcategories and be done with it
13:03.15Stskeepsthe whole collapse of subcategories was because they had stalled
13:03.22Stskeepswasn't it?
13:04.04lardmanyes, but I see no real problem with sticking them back in if people want them to more easily categorise information
13:04.17lardmanI mean a Mer category should get some use
13:04.28lardmanAndroid may get some little use, at least it would keep the threads together
13:05.10qgillardman, define "people"
13:05.27lardmanwell probably not many people
13:05.28Stskeepslardman: no Mer category until we get enough threads in all sorts of different topics about Mer
13:05.32Stskeepswe're getting there, but not yet :)
13:05.55lardmanhmm, would be better to create it (assuming there's no real problem) rather than having to move stuff later on
13:08.08lardmananyway that's just my opinion
13:08.48Stskeepsyeah.. the discussion was already there when the sub-categories stuff was up and talking
13:09.09qgilqole is supposed to a sticky in the Alternatives forum. There you can put the pre-defined searches for each alternative and core users interested in Android and nothing else could just bookmark them
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13:09.43Stskeepsi agree with stickies, they're immensely useful
13:10.07qgile.g. http://talk.maemo.org/search.php?searchid=4910930
13:10.20Stskeepswell, or even interesting threads that's far away in the archive as well
13:10.24lcukis it possible to actually put links to the stickies when you actually go to create a thread
13:10.25Stskeepswith a proper editor in charge of it (qole would do a good job on this i think) it'd be good
13:10.32lardmanyes
13:10.50lardmanwell the other option is to use those tag things properly (do they still exist)
13:11.35qgilandroid tag: http://talk.maemo.org/search.php?searchid=4910933
13:11.51lardmanI can't see it atm, Firefox not working
13:12.02lardmanwill have to shutdown and will look when I get back in work in a bit
13:12.07lardmanhold those thoughts! ;)
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13:15.23Stskeepssince when does community-owned mean that you get root?
13:15.24Stskeeps:P
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13:17.53qgilI also would like to be thrown away from my moderator throne by a legion of volunteers not willing Nokia employees to have any reigns of power in maemo.org
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13:18.16qgilI really have better things to do that move threads and write stickies
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13:18.49qgilbut apparently is easier to set up a new forum and get admin rights
13:19.15Stskeepsi'm not sure i'd like a community that couldn't include the people that actually makes their devices and software
13:19.34qgilanyway, my mistake not to keep my promise yesterday  night of not following that discussion anymore  :)
13:20.09Stskeepshttp://xkcd.com/386/ applies :)
13:20.29qgilah yes, totally these days
13:21.13kfxman I gotta figure out how to reign this browser in
13:23.18kfxs/reign/rein/;
13:26.22mikkov_new forum doesn't look very dark to me
13:27.38kfxminimalist theme is dark
13:27.59RST38hqgil: Let PB be a volunteer - invite him in.
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13:28.43RST38hqgil: That will give him something to do and let him work on his own theme too
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13:29.44StskeepsRST38h: he was in sprint meeting the other day and could easily have taken up tasks too
13:29.57Stskeeps(as could i but i have other non-sprint-listed stuff to do :P)
13:30.12RST38hSts: I guess it hasn't hit him then...yet.
13:31.57RST38hAh, SmartQ should have got Jazelle!
13:32.20RST38hAnyone knows what -Z designation is in ARM part numbers?
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13:33.05RST38hThere is also a TV-out and a built-in keypad debouncer somewherein that Samsing chip
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13:36.55booxterwhat libc does maemo use?
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13:37.22ShadowJK2.5.0?
13:37.27booxterglibc?
13:37.45ShadowJKyes
13:37.47booxtertnx
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13:46.48qgilRST38h: I do believe that PB and few others see me as the ambassador of Nokia (meaning not a real community member) and nothing else.
13:47.06qgilI think what I should probably do is do more work behind the courtain
13:47.25qgilequally for the community (Danish Weekend, pre-releases, summits, etc)
13:47.46qgilbut definitely things no non-Nokia can do, by design
13:48.13qgilforum reorgs, moving threads and killing spam can be done by many people
13:48.28RST38hqgil: It does not matter what they see you as
13:48.44lardmanqgil: I agree with you that you don't need to be doing that stuff
13:48.44RST38hqgil: At this point, you could be a purple martian monster and it wouldn't change a thing
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13:49.12lardmanreally we should put it to the council and let them decide about it
13:49.19RST38hqgil: PB wants participation and feels locked out, based on Reggie, Jaffa, et all blowing his requests off repeatedly
13:49.21qgilRST38h: actually I disagree - I believe that if qgil would be fired this weekend then I would get some karma from some people just because
13:49.21lardmani.e. this particular item
13:49.36RST38hqgil: From some, yes, not from PB
13:49.44twilightNoircouncil this, council that, just stfu and dev more apps for maemo
13:50.04RST38hqgil: But PB just wants to make a difference and he is qualified enough for that, so why not let him?
13:50.05lardmanme in particular? :)
13:50.06qgilI don't know what problem has PB with me these days, as we have got an excellent relationship since I knoew about his hacks
13:50.26qgilRST38h: who is not "letting in"?
13:50.29StskeepstwilightNoir: ah, but the fact is the maemo.org community aids the people deving the apps (hosting, promotion, tshirts, summits, etc) :)
13:50.38StskeepstwilightNoir: but yes, less talking, more development
13:50.43sp3000has too much free time
13:50.46Stskeepsthere's still a need for someone to organize
13:50.48sp3000stupid vacations
13:50.50sp3000http://nullfield.dyndns.org/~tt/meh
13:50.53lardmansp3000: give me some please!
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13:51.01RST38hqgil: Well he can't change the site himself and whatever he asks for is being mmarked as WONTFIX
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13:51.24qgilRST38h: he has been invited to come up wioth a mockup and Reggie or Andrew would code it
13:51.26RST38hqgil: So, let him moderate things, let him work on a theme, etc
13:51.30twilightNoirStskeeps: alright, then, send me a t-shirt
13:51.48qgilI'm asking for moderators: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=28675
13:52.00qgilno special invitation to PB, that's true... but not for anybody else either
13:52.04StskeepsRST38h: personally i wouldn't trust PB near a root account, but that's me :P
13:52.20qgilbesides, who am I to invite? I'm just a guy doing stuff like the rest of you
13:52.27RST38hqgil; he actually proposed himself as a moderator there
13:52.39qgilthe only difference is that I'm a Nokia employee - well, that doesn't qualify to invite someone to do maemo.org work
13:52.39RST38hSts: he is quite ok, as far as roots go =)
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13:53.37RST38hqgil: Ok, PB asked to be a moderator
13:53.49RST38hqgil: So, who exactly lets him be a moderator?
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13:54.18RST38hWho does the actual privilege config part?
13:54.26Stskeepswell, if talk is owned by the community, the community council makes a vote, ideally
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13:54.33qgilRST38h: reggie is admin, he is the one
13:54.36Stskeepsor the admin, delegated by the council decides based on merit
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13:55.08RST38hqgil: Then somebody has to ask Reggie make a decision - either create a poll or make decision on his own
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13:55.17qgiltruejournals and mobiledivided also volunteered
13:56.18qgilhttp://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=284138&postcount=21
13:56.19lardman_as did I
13:56.25lardman_and I am an admin
13:56.39qgilwell, you asked Reggie and you got it, and so did I
13:56.43qgilit's not that difficult
13:56.54lardman_ah, different path, I forget, was a long time ago
13:57.00qgilbut well, I will send an email to Reggie asking to consider these three volunteers
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13:57.52lardman_the council probably ought to get involved and decide if they think people are suitable before putting them forward to reggie
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13:58.00ShadowJKin car, fired up the notorious n810 gps. from gps->enable in maemo mapper: "searching for gps" 12 seconds, first fix 9 seconds later. 21 seconds total.
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13:58.10ShadowJKnot bad id say
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13:58.38RST38hqgil: Please do send him an email
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13:59.33RST38hShadowJK: I am sure this is using AGPS?
14:00.18lardman_wonders if all the planets were in alignment just then...? :)
14:00.52StskeepsShadowJK: you must have mistaken your n96 and your n810 obviously ;p
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14:01.35qgilRST38h & others, please go to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=28675 and ask the same to Reggie
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14:01.48qgilreally, I'm no different than you to ask that
14:01.49lardman_or the n810 was accidentally linked to a SirfStar3 gps which happened to be in the car ;)
14:02.02qgilI will send the email as promised, but anybody of you can do it
14:02.31qgilRST38h: or why do you think it makes a difference that *I* do it?
14:02.59Stskeepsmaybe rst38h doesn't know reggie's email ;)
14:03.49lardman_VDVsx: ping
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14:04.35Stskeepsmaybe we need a maemo.org proof points of what the community does for you :P (it may already exist), summit(s), gsoc, garage.maemo.org, repository.maemo.org (extras), talk, etc :P
14:05.18lardman_s/community/council ?
14:05.37lardman_oh, perhaps you do mean community
14:05.46Stskeepsyeah, i mean community
14:05.50lardman_surely it's pretty self evident?
14:06.02Stskeepssure, but to newcomers?
14:06.04lardman_it's either you alone, or you + others to help, support, etc
14:06.26lardman_I think mentioning some of the cool stuff the community gets up to would be good, but not as a sales point for why a community is good
14:06.28Stskeepscouncil is just the faciliators to make the community work - someone to lead the work as such
14:06.32lardman_yeah
14:06.39Stskeepsso we don't have to do polls every single dady
14:06.40Stskeepsday
14:07.36lardman_weekly/monthly tribunal?
14:07.46RST38hqgil: The moderation access is something Reggie should do
14:08.07RST38hqgil: As to why you should ask him, Reggie trusts you and listens to you
14:08.15RST38hqgil: he does not listen to me.
14:08.39Stskeepsbtw
14:08.42Stskeeps"Legal" is 404 on talk :P
14:09.03Stskeepsand terms of use :>
14:09.30fiferboylbt: ping
14:09.37RST38hthat's because you can't use it =)
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14:20.42k-sanyone willing to test canola2 on ubuntu?
14:20.49k-shttps://launchpad.net/~barbieri-profusion/+archive/canola2 please help
14:22.12pferrill9.04?
14:22.28k-syes
14:22.35pferrillI'll give it a whirl
14:22.45Stskeepsthe python-efl repos came up?
14:22.56pferrillI'm also interested in the book reader plugin I saw on maemo.org
14:23.00pferrillhow do you install that?
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14:23.25aquatixk-s: ooh, canola2 on ubuntu?
14:23.28aquatixclicks link
14:23.31k-syeah
14:23.35k-sI'm doing the packages
14:23.45k-sfirst round is there, just read the instructions
14:26.47aquatixk-s: instructions? :)
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14:27.15aquatixerm, 0 upgraded, 56 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
14:27.20aquatixsounds a bit much
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14:28.03aquatixcomplete enlightment it seems :)
14:28.32k-saquatix: lots of small libs
14:28.44k-saquatix: debian/ubuntu is like that, lots of small packages
14:28.52Stskeepsk-s: how stable is it?
14:28.57Stskeepsgood job btw
14:29.02k-ssome packages like edje are split into 2-3 binaries
14:29.13k-sStskeeps: well, I did some tests and works on hardy (netbooks)
14:29.18k-sneed someone to test on jaunty
14:29.20k-sso you tell me
14:29.22Stskeepsquestion, is this the famed project where people actually cooperate on enlightenment packages?
14:29.28Stskeepsas in, their packaging
14:29.42k-senlightenment packages are done in svn
14:29.44k-sin their svn
14:29.51Stskeepsok, so they have debian/ now?
14:30.00k-sI'm the release manager of e17, but not doing packages atm
14:30.03k-sjust fixing them
14:30.05Stskeepsk
14:30.18qgilRST38h: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=285537&postcount=29
14:30.19k-sI was required to setup this ppa by canonical guys that wished to test it
14:30.24k-sso there it is :-)
14:30.35Stskeepswe can try to load them into OBS and try it out on Mer (which is 9.04 based) as well :)
14:30.57k-sStskeeps: obs (suse, fedora) is already packaging efl stuff
14:31.03Stskeeps*nod*
14:31.05k-sStskeeps: we have a obs maintainer (sda)
14:31.33k-shttp://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/E17%20binary%20packages
14:31.39Stskeepsthanks
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14:32.06aquatixk-s: yeah, i know
14:32.12k-sStskeeps: join #edevelop or #e and ask quaker66/rbelem/etrunko/Lutin about debian/ubuntu and sda about obs/fedora/suse/mandriva
14:32.13aquatixjust thought it'd have some less deps
14:32.24aquatixcurrent connections isn't that fast :)
14:32.28k-saquatix: canola is a huge beast :-)
14:32.43aquatixinstalls
14:32.57Stskeepsk-s: yeah - i'm more interested in the ubuntu packaging though, we just use OBS as build system and repo so :)
14:33.09Stskeepsgood to see though!
14:33.45pferrillseems that the evas dependencies won't install
14:34.05pferrilllibevas-svn needs libevas-engines
14:34.08kennek-s, when will it have a webbrowser :) ?
14:34.10pferrilland vice versa
14:34.31k-skenne: when you stop chating and finish coding :-)
14:34.59k-spferrill: other people tried it and it worked :-/
14:35.05lcuk2aren't you meant to implement email as a final straw
14:35.06kennehehe
14:35.25lcuk2has just added smtp ;)
14:35.55pferrillhmm
14:36.03pferrillI'll try again
14:36.25fiferboyk-s: It works much better for me (in a virtualbox session) in windowed mode
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14:37.28aquatixk-s: just have to launch `canola2' ?
14:37.43lopzhola
14:39.36aquatixhm, i can't set an audio folder?
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14:42.34aquatixk-s: it seems i can't enter non-default directories for my media files :/
14:42.50k-sfiferboy: canola -n is your friend
14:42.59fiferboyYup, that works fine.
14:43.11fiferboyActually, after the first start it works in fullscreen mode too.
14:43.20k-saquatix: cnl-set-prefs settings audio '["/a/b", "/c/d"]'
14:44.24aquatixhm
14:45.19fiferboyk-s: That works for me
14:45.45fiferboyYou have to go into media folders and enable it after, though.
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14:46.51fiferboyI get a player error when trying to play music
14:46.53aquatixk-s: awesome
14:46.54fiferboy1241793988.6146 ERROR controller:588:_player_error() Player's ControllerError: 11 - Player error.
14:47.11aquatixhas music, trying video now
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14:47.21k-sfiferboy: yes, or cnl-set-prefs scan_folders audio and the same thing as before
14:47.44k-sfiferboy: run with -vvv, but usually it means you lack codecs in gstreamer?
14:48.08fiferboyI'm running in KDE, so maybe gstreamer isn't installed.
14:48.09fiferboyI'll check
14:49.04fiferboyNot installed.  What plugins do I need?
14:50.18k-sfiferboy: mplayer?
14:50.25k-sif so, even better
14:51.20fiferboyInstalling mplayer now
14:51.25k-sok
14:52.38fiferboyNow it says "Error trying to play"
14:53.24k-serrr...
14:54.04k-sfiferboy: could you try gstreamer and gstreamer0.10-plugins-base  gstreamer0.10-plugins-good  gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly ?
14:54.14k-ssorry, and thanks to help with testing...
14:54.56fiferboyInstalling now
14:55.36aquatixk-s: video works :)
14:55.47k-saquatix: good!
14:55.59fiferboyNo more error, but it doesn't actually play
14:56.09k-sfiferboy: which kind of media is that?
14:56.37fiferboymp3
14:56.47k-sone of the things I realized is that mplayer in ubuntu is not that good, since it is not compiled with lots of codecs
14:57.04k-sfiferboy: ah... I guess for mp3 you need another gstreamer plugin... let me see
14:57.29k-sfiferboy: gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3 and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg should do
14:57.54k-sI have a call, bbl
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16:08.37mib_6aorjzI am having a hard time to get numptyphysics to work.
16:08.56mib_6aorjzI use Diablo in a N800
16:10.25mib_6aorjzI have tried to purge and reinstall, but it always crash during startup. It says there is an invalid stroke definition on terminal.
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16:44.49ShadowJKStskeeps/RST38h: yes I have a-gps installed, no it was N810 for sure, and I don't have an N96 :)
16:45.15ShadowJK(I'd probably have a N95 8G instead of N96, it's almost the same hw anyway?)
16:45.49ShadowJKlardman|gone, no it was internal gps for sure, the sirfstar was in the house out of bluetooth range ;)
16:48.52kfx8G
16:48.55kfxman we only have 3G here
16:49.07ShadowJKinternal mmc
16:49.24ShadowJKThe first N95 had pitiful amount of SDRAM
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16:49.56ShadowJKN95 8GB deletes the card slot, adds 8GB internal mmc and expands SDRAM to full 128M
16:50.06luke-jr"full 128M"?
16:50.09luke-jrthat's hardly full
16:50.14luke-jrthat's patheticly low
16:50.34ShadowJKit had even less before
16:50.52ShadowJK128 probably was the biggest available at the time though?
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16:58.19mib_1fy3cvDid anybody else have problems with numptyphysics 0.3.0.2?
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16:59.36mib_1fy3cvIt crashes instantly here. 0.2 is fine though.
16:59.57RST38hX-Fade: Still here?
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17:08.50luke-jrwhy do normal stlc4560 firmwares not work on N810?
17:08.59Stskeepsdifferent softmac maybe
17:09.15Stskeepsis it cx3110x or stlc45xx?
17:09.20luke-jrcx3110x
17:09.28Stskeepswhich kernel?
17:09.32luke-jrMaemo
17:09.35Stskeepsk
17:09.41Stskeepswell then it's probably the difference in softmac
17:09.45luke-jrspeaking of which
17:09.47Macerwatching wolverine now
17:09.52luke-jrMacer: I saw that a month ago
17:09.55Maceri guess a workprint leaked out.. so no cgi :)
17:09.59luke-jrwhere is a new kernel image?
17:10.01luke-jr:/
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17:10.01Macerluke-jr: same one? :)
17:10.08luke-jrMacer: no, mine had *some* CGI
17:10.11Macerthe one where the airplane doesn't look like a complete airplane?
17:10.19luke-jrI didn't notice that
17:10.23Maceryeah.. it does.. but it is incomplete
17:10.37Maceryou can tell it was just a rough draft
17:11.01luke-jrafter watching it
17:11.01Macerwolverine was in every single war haha
17:11.11luke-jrI think I'd pay for DVD with source ;)
17:11.19luke-jrso I can see the different levels of progression
17:11.21RST38hmoos
17:11.46luke-jrStskeeps: where is the kernel image I compiled?
17:11.56luke-jrARM doesn't use bzImage..
17:12.15Maceri guess in the movie sabertooth and wolverine are half brothers?
17:12.26luke-jryeah
17:12.42Stskeepsluke-jr: it uses zImage
17:12.48Stskeepsarch/arm/boot?
17:12.58Macercupcake came out for G1
17:13.06Macerand there still isn't direct hid bt support
17:13.14Macerit is the only thing holding android bak
17:13.57Stskeepsheh
17:14.13Macerat least you can use stereo bt headphones now
17:14.32GeneralAntillesWell, that, and Google, Java, etc. . . .
17:15.22luke-jrStskeeps: it isn't there :<
17:15.34Stskeepsyou're not doing it right then
17:15.36Stskeeps:P
17:16.19luke-jr:/
17:16.23luke-jr'make' rebuilds!
17:16.26Macerandroid has a soft keyboard now
17:16.30luke-jrhow is it that my build disappeared? :/
17:16.39Maceri still hate the way it shoves things into the background and kills them when it needs more memory
17:16.43luke-jrI even have modules install :/
17:17.15Macerhaha
17:17.22Maceryou can see the strings in this copy of wolverine
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17:17.48ShadowJKI presume that android apps actually do save state? :)
17:17.50RST38hGeneral: Google isn't holding it, it seems
17:18.23RST38hGeneral: When random Chinese shops are starting to sell their hw with android inside, it is a good sign that Google does not mind
17:18.28ShadowJKvaguely recalls reading somewhere that maemo apps should save state
17:18.33ShadowJKbut I've seen none that do so? :P
17:18.36RST38hYea :)
17:18.38luke-jrShadowJK: notes
17:18.44RST38hI do not think anyone does that though
17:18.45luke-jrI'm surprised Android isn't 100% webapp-based
17:18.49luke-jrRST38h: KDE
17:19.02GeneralAntillesRST38h, Google is associated with it, which is all that matters to me.
17:19.19RST38hThe Maemo tutorial starts with a huge section on how you are supposed to save state etc
17:19.45RST38hThe whole thing appears to be some specialized replacement to simply paging app out
17:20.03lcuk2shakes head at hailstones
17:20.15RST38hGeneral: Mind if I ask what is wrong with Google/?
17:20.41RST38h(other than their tendency for accumulating personal data and letting government search it)
17:20.49luke-jrRST38h: what isn't?
17:21.01luke-jrthey can't code for crap, at least
17:21.08RST38hGoogle? Who says?
17:21.22luke-jrme
17:21.27RST38hCan you code?
17:21.29luke-jrjust look at GMail
17:21.45ShadowJKRST38h, paging app out is fucking slow
17:21.51GeneralAntillesRST38h, they're too big and they've got a hold over too much stuff.
17:22.18ShadowJKAlthough if you modified the linux kernel to halt an app and swap out all of its anonymous memory in one big chunk at once, it might be fast-ish...
17:22.36luke-jrShadowJK: that's not a kernel thing really
17:22.49luke-jrteh WM could easily send SIGSTOP to apps that aren't in use
17:23.07ShadowJKYeah, I've been thinking of writing something that sends SIGSTOP during heavy paging
17:23.37ShadowJKsay microb kicks off a swapfest, thingy would stop it until the windowmanager and others get their pages back
17:23.40lcuk2how do you know an app isnt in use
17:24.00RST38hGeneral: Their declared goal is to index Everything =)
17:24.14luke-jrlcuk2: minimized and not marked as "background-active" :p
17:24.15ShadowJK(and most importantly, until dsme gets its pages back so it can prod the watchdog so that the tablet doesn't reboot)
17:24.24Macerso do they have the whole weapon x thing?
17:24.32luke-jrMacer: ?
17:24.37Macerin wolverine
17:24.42luke-jr…
17:24.42RST38hShadowJK: Yes, but this saving state stuff is basically a custom way to save app state, terminate it, then restart it and restore the state
17:24.44Macerlike in the comic :)
17:24.55RST38hShadowJK: In other words, it is like semiautomatic paging
17:24.56luke-jrMacer: uh, yeah
17:25.01luke-jrMacer: but I don't know the comic
17:25.02RST38hor swapping rather
17:25.51ShadowJKRST38h, yeah, on the other hand state saving works across reboots, resets and "oops my battery is empty" :)
17:27.06RST38hShadowJK: possibly, if your kernel state is portable across these eventsd
17:27.22RST38hIf the kernel state changes from reboot to reboot, then you are fucked anyway
17:27.52ShadowJKEh you don't save kernel state
17:28.24ShadowJKyou just want to save the state of your UI and all user data
17:28.27RST38hYes, but if it is at least portable (i.e. has no parts that affect application state) then you are ok
17:28.43RST38hShadowJK: Yes, but when saving state of your UI, you actually save pointers
17:29.08RST38hShadowJK: Consider what happens if one of these pointers refers to kernel space and kernel state changes between reboots
17:29.23RST38hdoes not have to be a direct pointer, a handle is fine
17:29.49RST38hnow, consider the same for x11 stuff
17:30.41ShadowJKYou never want to save pointers
17:30.50ShadowJKever
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17:34.53RST38hShadowJK: But Maemo app state save mechanism appears to save pointers
17:34.56mithrandir1When I have the charger connected to my n810 it displays (after the nokia logo) booting from flash (I have bootmenu installed), then restarts. This reboot loop does not occur when the charger is not connected. Any ideas how I can track this down?
17:35.37RST38hshadowJK: Which is actually fine if you restore application at exactly the same addresses and there are no external pointers (i.e. kernel handles, x11 handles, etc)
17:36.46luke-jrRST38h: cryopid?
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17:45.49lopzxD
17:46.01RST38hhmmmm
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17:47.13GAN8001I'm going out, you guys are on your own if it comes back. :P
17:47.33RST38hat least ban it
17:47.33lcuktake your n800 with you
17:47.39GAN8001Meh
17:47.50GAN8001lcuk, if I have time to tether.
17:48.01lcukgets the rope
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17:48.22luke-jrGAN8001: op someone
17:48.53Stskeepsluke-jr: not customary to have ops in freenode channels per automatic
17:48.57luke-jrmaybe RST38h?
17:49.06luke-jrStskeeps: better safe than sorry?
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17:49.18luke-jrStskeeps: our policy over in #anime works pretty well
17:49.27Stskeepsmaybe
17:49.39Stskeepsi vote we op penguinbait
17:49.40Stskeeps:P
17:49.56mithrandir1When I have the charger connected to my n810 it displays (after the nokia logo) booting from flash (I have bootmenu installed), then restarts. This reboot loop does not occur when the charger is not connected. Any ideas how I can track this down?
17:50.13luke-jr#anime -- 49 nicks (23 ops)
17:50.48luke-jrtroll/flood problems are pretty rare :D
17:52.02Stskeepsi really should pick up anime watching again .. maybe when i am done with my thesis
17:52.37Macerhahahaha
17:52.45Macerhe accidently sliced the sink and heater apart :)
17:53.12luke-jrXD
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17:53.25luke-jrMacer: Striker lives
17:53.28luke-jroops, spoiler
17:53.34luke-jrpenguinbait: you were just nominated for being op
17:53.43Stskeepsluke-jr: thanks for the invite but last time i was near anything remotely anime related a korean girl with severe adhd started hitting on me
17:53.47Stskeepswhich is not pleasant.
17:53.50luke-jrStskeeps: LOL
17:53.58luke-jrStskeeps: this is IRC, we don't have girls here
17:54.10MacerStskeeps: hahhaha
17:54.20penguinbaithook it up
17:54.27Stskeepsyeah, that's what i thought when i started on irc as well
17:54.29penguinbait;)
17:54.31luke-jr;)
17:54.40luke-jrStskeeps: seriously, all we do in #anime is play IRC games all day
17:54.47Stskeepsluke-jr: now that doesn't sound scary at all
17:54.50Stskeepsfurries?
17:54.51Stskeeps:P
17:54.54luke-jrO.o
17:54.54Stskeepsruns
17:55.02luke-jrMafia-based
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17:55.37luke-jrflorian: O.o; hi
17:55.41penguinbaitheh, sorry I had to install mirc at work
17:55.57luke-jr"had to"
17:56.05penguinbaitthere is something fishy goin on?
17:56.06florianre
17:56.17luke-jrflorian: LTNS, you here often? :p
17:56.24Stskeepsluke-jr: not the same guy i think
17:56.32luke-jrStskeeps: no? /whois says it is
17:56.37penguinbaitchose to?
17:56.51Stskeepsluke-jr: the guy flooding before
17:56.53penguinbaitfelt compelled to
17:57.02luke-jrStskeeps: ⁇?
17:57.24Stskeepstries to flash new firmware on his smartq
17:57.35fiferboylbt: re-ping?
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17:58.17penguinbaitI can't wait to get some new hardware
17:58.25Stskeepsi'd invest in a smartq5, heh
17:58.34Stskeepshave to ask them who's reselling them
17:58.39luke-jrI want a SmartQ X
17:58.46luke-jr:p
17:58.48Stskeepsq12? ;p
17:59.11RST38hSmartQ M
17:59.18RST38hThe TV edition
17:59.18Stskeepsthere's nothing like a upgrade program that uses chinese characters
17:59.31StskeepsRST38h: i really have to figure out if this thing does tv out
17:59.34Stskeepsthe casing says it does
17:59.50luke-jrö
18:00.02Stskeeps(it has a tv and a headphones thing)
18:00.39RST38hSts: ah, just use a 3.5" a/v cable
18:00.53luke-jr$()#*$)#%
18:00.54RST38hSts: Comes with camcorders
18:00.59luke-jrI think I give up on a new kernel :<
18:01.17luke-jrevery time I run make it rebuilds everything
18:01.20StskeepsRST38h: hmm
18:01.29StskeepsRST38h: fits in normal headphone slots?
18:01.42RST38hSts: Yep
18:01.45Stskeepsinteresting
18:01.49Stskeepsi wonder if i have one downstair
18:01.49RST38hhas got one more band, afaik
18:01.50Stskeepss
18:02.27Macerno shit. cyclops is in this too?
18:02.35RST38hSts: http://freespace.virgin.net/matt.waite/resource/av/4poleav.htm
18:02.36luke-jr…
18:02.48luke-jrMacer: so is Xavier
18:02.58luke-jrand Gambit
18:03.04Macerno shti.. gambit??
18:03.09Macergambit is awesome :)
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18:03.42luke-jrMacer: and Logan's gf/wife
18:03.57Maceri saw that part
18:04.00luke-jri c
18:04.05luke-jrand her sister
18:04.08luke-jrthe one w/ diamond skin
18:04.17Maceri thought he met his wife in japan in the comic
18:04.47luke-jrMacer: and Deadpool or whatever his name is
18:05.06luke-jraka Weapon XI
18:05.30penguinbaitla la la la la la la la la
18:05.34Maceryeah. deadpool kicks ass
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18:05.41luke-jrMacer: more like gets his ___ kicked
18:05.52RST38hOh...XMen fans...
18:05.54RST38hheya pupnik
18:06.33Maceri was disgusted with x3
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18:21.12RST38hanother attempt on making a kernel...
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18:22.12ShadowJKRST38h, unless there's some "security enhanced" stuff going on, apps would load at the same address all the time anyway? :-)
18:22.36RST38hShadowJK: Not necessarily
18:23.16RST38hWell, the segments will actually load at the same addresses but the heap is not guaranteed to be the same
18:23.23ShadowJKright
18:23.33RST38hAt least unless you are running Win7 :)
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18:24.15ShadowJKFedora did at one point load libraries in different place each week..
18:25.10slonopotamushmm
18:25.17RST38huses this opportunity to curse RedHat and all its incarnations
18:25.23slonopotamussomeone here was a developer of xf86-video-omapfb
18:26.00Stskeepsslonopotamus: saw meiz's fbdev video?
18:26.15slonopotamusyes
18:26.33Stskeepsk
18:26.37slonopotamusas far as i understand, he didn't change anything, right? :)
18:26.46penguinbaitRST38h RedHat kicks ass :)
18:26.47Stskeepshe changed to fbdev instead of omapfb
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18:26.56Stskeepsand fb_update_mode auto
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18:31.04slonopotamusso... xf86-video-omapfb isn't needed?
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18:31.24Stskeepsi'm not sure what the actual advantage is
18:31.33Stskeepsif it had manual updates, sure
18:31.56Macerhm
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18:32.44slonopotamusany disadvantages?
18:32.54Stskeepsit plays video it seems
18:33.43slonopotamusi mean, does fbdev has any?
18:34.02slonopotamusin current state of both
18:34.38Stskeepsit works with video and seems to perform as well as with -omapfb
18:35.05slonopotamusokay
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18:45.20Maceryah. wolverine was pretty good
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18:52.28ssvbStskeeps: blizzard overlay is needed for good video support
18:53.22ssvbStskeeps: omap dispc overlay is slower
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18:54.14ssvbStskeeps: afaik, *-omapfb only uses dispc overlay
18:56.06Stskeepsah
18:56.07ssvbStskeeps: that is of course only true for n8xx devices with external LCD controller, beagleboard works fine with dispc overlay for example
18:56.26Stskeepsi'm really considering to go back to xomap these days to get some of the performance back
18:56.38Stskeepsif i can figure out the xsp problem with HIM
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18:57.16Stskeepsthink there's simply something awry in the fremantle alpha HIM we used
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19:10.26AndrewfblackGeneralAntilles: you around
19:10.36Stskeepsevening Andrewfblack :)
19:10.39Stskeepshow is it going?
19:10.47AndrewfblackHey Stskeeps not much
19:11.11AndrewfblackI'm ready to get minimalist 2.0 launched
19:11.59RST38hAndrewfblack: I have noticed something today
19:12.16StskeepsAndrewfblack: woo :)
19:12.20sjgadsbyThanks for all the work you've done on Minimalist, Andrewfblack.
19:12.28RST38hAndrewfblack: The current incarnation of Minimalist takes about 100kB/page to download
19:12.45RST38hAndrewfblack: Any way to shrink to to 30kB or less?
19:13.05mithrandir1solved, borked init scripts...
19:13.40StskeepsRST38h: 100? really? even without images?
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19:13.58Andrewfblackthe quick menu was huge
19:14.14Andrewfblackanyone know of a site to check amount of data to download?
19:14.37RST38hSts: Without images
19:14.49RST38hAndrew: A moment...
19:15.04Andrewfblackwell there was alot of code on old theme that didn't work but wasn't removed I've been removing alot of that
19:15.19RST38hAndrew: http://www.websiteoptimization.com/services/analyze/
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19:15.23Andrewfblackalot of old iphone stuff left in there
19:15.28RST38hah
19:16.32RST38hHohoho, penguinbait, are you here?
19:17.39RST38hLook what I have found: http://talk.maemo.org/?styleid=13
19:18.02Stskeepshah
19:18.03sjgadsbyYes, Reggie just announced that, RST38h.
19:18.15RST38hsjgadsby: ah, thanks god
19:18.18Stskeepsbut the orange..
19:18.25AndrewfblackIts been worked on for several days we just wan't going ot tell anyone
19:18.38Stskeepsah, and meanwhile the theme wars raged
19:18.39sjgadsbylaughs.
19:18.42RST38hsjgadsby: it hopefully means that the flames are gonna calm down
19:18.50Stskeepsand replaced with orange writing.
19:18.57Andrewfblackclassic blue is back also
19:19.08RST38hyea, found it
19:19.15RST38hnow, just add a mobile theme and it is all set
19:19.24Andrewfblackwell we didn't want PB to think he won now did we
19:19.26sjgadsbyWell, as penguinbait has been asking for a dark version of the talk.maemo.org theme, not classic...
19:19.41AndrewfblackI"m working getting approval to do a better mobile then the old ones
19:19.46RST38hsjgadsby: I do not think he cares
19:19.56RST38hit is the color he craves not the layout afaik
19:20.08AndrewfblackI was hoping to get someone to donate me there old S60 phone to test a mobile theme on lol but no luck
19:20.21RST38hAndrew: the old one (the more colorful one) is actually a good theme if somewhat simplistic
19:20.41Macerhow did they make stuff in the older star wars movies?
19:20.42RST38hAndrew: just shrink FF window to 240x320, it is enough
19:20.43Macerjust use models?
19:20.58RST38hS60 has got relatively decent browser, it is just low on hw resources
19:21.16Macerdepends on the phone
19:21.29RST38hMacer: Anything with S60e3 is ok
19:21.44AndrewfblackRST38h: yeah but if I can get a free phone out of it why not I mean someone gave me a free 770 for testing some stuff on lol
19:21.44Maceri got sick of symbian
19:21.54Macerhas way too much of a mid 90s look to it still
19:21.57Macerthey need to revamp the gui
19:22.07RST38hAndrew: true, although I doubt anyone will donate =(
19:22.19RST38his ok with Symbian - it does the job.
19:22.23AndrewfblackRST38h: I'd take a windows mobile on also lol
19:22.38MacerRST38h: yeah that's true
19:22.44Macerbut the same could be said for windows 3.1 ;)
19:22.50AndrewfblackRST38h: not going to be able to shrink it
19:22.53RST38hAndrew: Oh, you wouldn't, winmobile is a serious pain :)
19:23.00Andrewfblacknot that much atleast
19:23.08RST38hMacer: Symbian is no windows.
19:23.17AndrewfblackRST38h: better then my phone
19:23.24RST38hIt is designed by seriously sick people but not by idiots
19:23.30MacerRST38h: i know.. but your analogy that it "gets the job done"
19:23.39Macerthat's no excuse to remain the same for over a decade :)
19:23.47RST38hMacer: Actually it is
19:23.57RST38hMacer: For example, Unix gets the job done.
19:24.21Macertrue
19:24.35Macergood point.. but most people use "UNIX" for serving
19:24.37Macer:)
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19:25.22Macerphones are supposed to be an end user device.. and sometimes it helps when things are updated to look frewsh instead of being stuck with the same interface for over 10 years
19:26.33penguinbaitwooohoooo
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19:27.09RST38hpenguinbait <-- obviously met the dark theme of his dreams
19:27.49penguinbaitheheheheh
19:28.05RST38hMacer: Most people do not get erection from an operating system
19:28.06AndrewfblackRST38h: can't get that site to test the minimalist reverts back and tests the main theme everytime
19:28.15AndrewfblackI wonder if there is a ff plugin for something like that
19:28.20RST38hAndrewfblack: easy
19:28.27RST38hAndrewfblack: pass styleid in the URL
19:28.36RST38hAndrewfblack: it definitely worked for me
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19:30.11sjgadsbyAndrewfblack: You might try Extended Statusbar: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1433
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19:31.14AndrewfblackRST38h: I tried that and it is removing the style id part
19:31.33RST38hlemme try again
19:31.51Andrewfblackok brb restarting ff and I'm using mibbit so..
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19:34.50AndrewfblackRST38h: right now loading a form with 5 threads on a page is taking 14k according to this now more text and longer the page more that will go up but that is going to be about as low as I can take it I would say
19:35.46Andrewfblacknot sure if that status bar is right or not
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19:40.40RST38hAndrewfblack: 14k sounds pretty nice
19:40.53RST38hthat site indicates 70kB for the main page of Minimalist 1.0
19:41.03RST38hof that, 59kB is JavaScript
19:41.26RST38hCan you give me an URL of Minimalist 2.0 to try?
19:41.45Andrewfblackno sorry Reggie's rules no one can even know the address of our sandbox
19:41.51RST38hok
19:42.49Andrewfblackgive me the link again to the site
19:43.27RST38hhttp://www.websiteoptimization.com/services/analyze/
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19:48.36Andrewfblacknope still can't get it to work but I don't think this status bar is working right
19:49.31RST38hno the status bar seems to be fooling you
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19:50.59RST38hcurses the tracker
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19:52.24RST38hsuspects that the first advice to Fremantle users will be "Disable Tracker"
19:55.49RST38hAndrew: I have tried it again and it definitely worked. Try typing in http://talk.maemo.org/?styleid=13
20:01.30Stskeepswoo, weird tablet-like pictures on itt
20:01.34Stskeepsrumour galore
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20:03.12RST38hWhere, oh WHERE?
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20:03.35Stskeepshttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=28846 ;p
20:04.14darkblue_Bhi all- back to the N800 dev.. I desire to write a control panel.. prefer python... is this possible? examples? leads appreciated
20:04.37Stskeepsdarkblue_B: i have a dummy example i think
20:04.39RST38hSts: this looks tasty, apparently has wider screen too
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20:04.55darkblue_BStskeeps: that would be *great*
20:05.07Stskeepsdarkblue_B: http://repository.mer.tspre.org/pool/main/h/hildon-cpa-dummy/ , but im not sure it works on diablo
20:05.16darkblue_Blooking
20:05.17RST38hSts: making faceplate out of a bicycle reflector is a bad idea though
20:05.28StskeepsRST38h: a tablet really really needs to be sturdy and able to take some beatings though
20:05.45Stskeepsand who knows if you need to find your tablet in the dark while drunk ;)
20:06.03RST38hSts: I absolutely agree on it but sturdy != stylish :(
20:06.09ShadowJKtouchscreens are bloody impossible when drunk
20:06.28Stskeepsi'm inclined to think i could do the fremantle interface while drunk.
20:06.44RST38hSts: Personally, I would prefer the case to be made of the same stuff as 770 but there is no way Nokia will do THAT again
20:06.58StskeepsRST38h: it looks a bit like n800
20:07.14RST38hSts: 5900 does? Well, it looks like a fat 5800 to me
20:07.20ShadowJKn800 feels sturdier than n810, even though n800 feels more plasticy :P
20:07.32RST38hN810 is flimsy
20:08.09RST38hthat ugly, chipping silvery stuff they definitely have to get rid of =(
20:08.55AndrewfblackRST38h: it might be becuase our sandbox has a rather complex addy to why its dropping part of it
20:09.17RST38hAndrew: try it on the non-sandbox stuff and see if it works
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20:09.27RST38hIf it does, then it is the sandbox to blame
20:10.40ShadowJKthe chipping silvery stuff is a nokia trademark!
20:11.00ShadowJKIt's been years since I've seen a nokia device without it
20:12.21darkblue_BStskeeps: so.. there is a .so library in /usr/lib/hildon-control-panel/ ; a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/hildon-control-panel/ ; and a libexec something.. where is the GUI defined?  .. and.. this wont build on the recent OS ?
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20:13.41darkblue_BI don t have a scratchbox.. but I was thinking I would run mer in a VM, if thats straightforward
20:14.11darkblue_B(I dont want to get caught up in having to do a bunch of non-obvious things to mer to get started)
20:14.12RST38hShadowJK: E70 has got higher quality chipping silvery stuff than n810!
20:14.38RST38hShadowJK: In fact lots of their new devices do not have it. Ironically, these are mostly budget devices :)
20:15.55ShadowJKI haven't seen any chipping yet on my N810 and I've used it more than my E70, which has lost the silvery stuff on the joystick :)
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20:17.13RST38hSame here but aside from joystick (different kind of silvery stuff) it holds pretty well
20:17.37ShadowJKI suspect the silvery panels on the sides are about to come off entirely soon
20:17.40ShadowJKin one go
20:17.46ShadowJKskipping the chipping stage
20:17.59Stskeepsdarkblue_B: its a stub to build on top of
20:18.09RST38hside panels are metal
20:18.22RST38hthey are coming off last :)
20:18.34ShadowJKfeels plastic?
20:18.42RST38hthey are metal indeed
20:19.12ShadowJKah maybe that's why it's not chipping and just loose then :)
20:19.17darkblue_BStskeeps: yes.. I dont know where the GUI goes though
20:19.53RST38hmine has no loose parts so far. it is creaking a bit, but that is to be expected from such a convoluted design
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20:20.14ShadowJKmost models have a creak :)
20:20.23ShadowJK(N810 has battery rattle instead)
20:20.45ShadowJKhm, the paint on the softkeys on my E70 is vanishing
20:21.00RST38hyes, same here but just a tiny bit
20:21.29ShadowJKSpeaking of vanishing paint, the paint on my roof detached itself this spring :-(
20:21.44RST38hglances at TV and find that some guy in cardboard knight armor just slaughtered a room fool of arts students. Good.
20:22.02RST38hoh...s/fool/full  s/find/finds
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21:10.03Guest1883_745any idea how i can get the source pack for maemo.org startup aplication?
21:10.29Stskeepsthe what now? :P
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21:13.23stiev3is there any reason why I shouldn't attempt to solder two female ends of usb extension cords and use that for my n810?
21:14.10luke-jrstiev3: jsut be sure you do the OTG stuff properly
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21:15.00xnt14yup my otg adapter is a usb pcb for a custom computer mb, just soldered the pins together
21:15.29xnt14as luke-jr said make sure you have the otg setup befre you connect anything
21:15.36xnt14*before
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21:17.55stiev3thanks I'll read up on it
21:18.00xnt14:) ij
21:18.02xnt14*ok
21:18.03xnt14:P
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21:20.03Guest1883_745any idea how i can get the source pack for maemo.org startup aplication?
21:20.20xnt14what startup app?
21:20.32Guest1883_745maemo.org
21:20.42xnt14maemo.org? the website or the os?
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21:21.06xnt14maemo.org = website maemo = default tablet os
21:21.14xnt14* forgot to add a space
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21:21.37xnt14maemo.org = website                         maemo = default tablet os
21:21.58Guest1883_745maemo.org Startup Screen v1.0-1maemo4
21:22.09xnt14oh :P
21:22.18Guest1883_745http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/maemoorg-splash/
21:22.20Stskeepsprobably laying in extras
21:22.25Guest1883_745how get the source?
21:22.39Guest1883_745like apt-get source ??? (waht?)
21:22.55Guest1883_745maemoorg-splash?
21:23.21Stskeepshttp://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/source/m/maemoorg-splash/
21:23.26xnt14try apt-cache search splash (or w/e)
21:23.36xnt14Stskeeps: that was fast :P
21:24.00Stskeepsi know the repos
21:24.01Stskeeps.P
21:24.13Guest1883_745ok xnt tx i check and comeback
21:24.14xnt14:P
21:24.19xnt14ok :)
21:24.59Guest1883_745its last think i need to launch very soon my Borg Complete Theme (sounds-theme-startup)
21:25.05Guest1883_745woot woot
21:25.13xnt14:)
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21:26.29pupnik_\ is there any SD card that will expose the SD to the network via NAS type tech?
21:26.39pupnik_samba/nfs whtvr
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21:27.18xnt14pupnik: the sd card or the nit?
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21:29.04pupnik_so you stick sd card in - ribbon cable coming out to breakout box with rj45 connector
21:29.07pupnik_and any files written by camera will be visible to network
21:29.21xnt14nope, never seen one :(
21:30.03xnt14but they do have an sd card that uploads photos via wifi to flickr
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21:32.42pupnik_no way
21:32.51pupnik_xnt14: what...|!!
21:33.13xnt14pupnik: http://www.eye.fi/
21:34.03Shadow__Xis there a way to have a keep alive using dun
21:34.36xnt14Shadow_X: im not sure
21:35.06pupnik_awesome xnt14
21:35.09pupnik_thank youuuu
21:35.20xnt14pupnik: :) np
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21:36.51xnt14http://blog.howett.net/2009/01/24/hard-drive-suicide/    :P hd suicide :P
21:41.08Shadow__Xi think i found a way
21:41.15Shadow__Xyou load a big web page
21:41.20Shadow__Xwhile its pulling everything down
21:41.26Shadow__Xssh into a boxen
21:41.34Shadow__Xand does something that keeps polling
21:41.37Shadow__Xlike ifstat
21:41.39Shadow__Xor top
21:41.51Shadow__Xalso you can use it as a proxy
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21:45.46Guest4129_813TX xnt
21:45.47Guest4129_813i got it
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21:50.03AStormShadow__X, there is, and it's enabled by default
21:50.15AStormwhat usually fails is the PPP server sending you IP refresh
21:50.17xnt14:)
21:50.33AStormbecause of slight time desyncs
21:50.38xnt14http://blog.howett.net/2008/09/16/i-decided-to-install-vista/     ROFL
21:50.45AStormso you lose connection for a few seconds
21:50.50Shadow__Xhmm AStorm so how do i get it to work because it doesnt keep alive
21:51.06AStormit doesn't for you? ah, wait
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21:51.45AStormin the peer file
21:51.57AStormnot sure if there's any way to set that in UI
21:52.05AStormif there isn't, it's a major Nokia failure
21:53.11AStormah, that's probably on if it reconnects
21:53.23AStormthe actual option is: idle <n>
21:54.18AStormset to 0 to disable idle disconnect I guess
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22:08.43Shadow__XAStorm, where is that
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22:19.13penguinbaitquiet?
22:19.16Guest4129_813someone can tell me when i open default files manager, the focus goes directly on the first one in the list in the left side...i wanna know what is this ui part color exactly?
22:19.38Guest4129_813here i sample of my rubish
22:19.52Guest4129_813http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/6163/screenshot35.png
22:19.58penguinbaithuh?
22:20.17Guest4129_813like you see in this file manager  the first one in the list is black panted for default focus
22:20.26Guest4129_813its my last issu
22:20.52penguinbaitSorry, what is the question?
22:21.01Guest4129_813the question is...
22:21.07Guest4129_813if you look the pics
22:21.15penguinbaitok. looked
22:21.15Guest4129_813you see files manager
22:21.19penguinbaityup
22:21.27Guest4129_813and the first default file selected by default
22:21.28penguinbaitim with you so far
22:21.42Guest4129_813but wrong color
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22:21.52Guest4129_813black underlined purple
22:22.25Guest4129_813i wanna know (isolated) the name/part of this ui
22:22.29Guest4129_813french guy here
22:22.37penguinbaitok
22:22.46Guest4129_813what is the name of this part selction by default here
22:22.50penguinbaitsorry, I don't know
22:22.55Guest4129_813ok
22:23.36Guest4129_813iam so sad lol that my last issu before launch stable version
22:23.40Guest4129_813:(
22:24.06penguinbaitI am sure someone must know, but I am not a programmer
22:24.16Guest4129_813yes i know
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22:25.09Guest4129_813you better then that anyway :)
22:25.41penguinbaitVIVA LA FRANCE
22:25.43penguinbait:)
22:25.47Guest4129_813no
22:25.57Guest4129_813Vive le Quebec Libre!
22:26.01Guest4129_813héhé
22:26.03penguinbaitah
22:26.07Guest4129_813lolllllllll
22:26.08penguinbaitcanook
22:26.14Guest4129_813grrrrrrrrrr
22:26.41labaudiowoot
22:27.40penguinbaitwell I can assure you, your english is better than my french
22:28.03labaudioyes i know but some tweak like ui theming is toug for me
22:28.06labaudiobut iam good
22:28.15labaudioviva tablet hacker man
22:28.16penguinbaitHow do you say "where is the beer store" in french  ?
22:28.18labaudioi lear a lot
22:28.43penguinbaitwe are all tablethacker's :)
22:28.53labaudioOù est la taverne?
22:28.54labaudioor
22:29.13labaudioOù est la SAQ
22:29.20labaudio:)
22:30.00labaudiobut man here in quebec its beer + quebecgold lol
22:30.13labaudiothat a famous hack
22:30.13penguinbaitheh
22:30.25labaudiono crack man
22:30.37labaudiobut hack fosha
22:30.39penguinbaityour desktop is pretty coll btw
22:30.42penguinbaitcool
22:31.07labaudioi work for a complete borg theme whith hildon icon and sounds
22:31.13labaudioits really soon
22:31.53labaudioits a little project compare a toug project like others
22:32.08labaudiobut
22:32.21labaudiofun and learn its always good
22:32.28labaudiothat my line
22:33.59labaudiowhere you from pb?
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23:08.11luke-jrb-man: here?
23:08.15luke-jrxnt14: ?
23:08.24b-manis here
23:08.29luke-jrb-man: Yandere
23:08.31xnt14is here
23:08.34luke-jru 2
23:08.43b-mank
23:08.43xnt14sorry too bust :(
23:08.45luke-jr:D
23:08.48xnt14*busy :P
23:09.04xnt14will watch
23:09.12b-man:P
23:09.19xnt14:P
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23:18.00LiraNunab-man, there?
23:18.17b-manyes :)
23:18.35LiraNunab-man, hey there! I tried getting ubuntu to work, and it won't boot
23:18.48LiraNunait just blanks the screen and restarts
23:18.50LiraNunaany idea?
23:19.11b-mandid you use the deblet bootmenu?
23:19.25LiraNunayes
23:19.50b-mandid you install sys-env-x?
23:19.58luke-jrb-man: hurry up
23:20.23LiraNunab-man, I installed gnome
23:20.27b-manluke-jr: i'm helping someone atm :P
23:20.31LiraNunadoes it come with it?
23:20.38luke-jrb-man: -.-
23:20.56b-manbut is sys-env-x installed?
23:21.03LiraNunalet me chroot and check
23:21.05b-manluke-jr: XP
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23:22.01Ogreb-man get back to anime
23:22.03Ogrewe need you
23:22.05luke-jrlol
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23:22.18luke-jr…
23:23.04LiraNunahahaha
23:24.01LiraNunab-man, no, it wasn't
23:25.23b-maninstall it ;)
23:25.28b-manit will make ubuntu compatible with the system
23:25.33LiraNunaah
23:25.40LiraNunasorry, your guide have no indication of it
23:26.37b-manit's at the bottom
23:27.19LiraNunahttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=25975 // Ctrl+F + sys-env-x yields nothing
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23:33.37b-manLiraNuna: are you looking at the ubuntu-n8x0 thread?
23:34.02LiraNunab-man, uh.. no
23:34.17LiraNunaoh yes
23:34.18LiraNunaI am
23:34.19LiraNuna<PROTECTED>
23:34.33LiraNunainstalling sys-env-x have no difference
23:34.58b-manah nvm
23:35.10b-manthe ubuntu-n8x0 thread provides information for sys-env-x ;)
23:35.19LiraNuna<LiraNuna> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=25975 // Ctrl+F + sys-env-x yields nothing
23:35.48elninja_If I setup OS2008 on my internal SD card, will it use a swap partition on that card?
23:35.57elninja_Or should I just skip creating a swap partition
23:38.53b-manLiraNuna: i'll get you a link
23:38.54Macerif it is maemo then you need a fat32 partition on the card for swapping
23:39.18Macerand yes. it would use the same card for the OS and for swapping
23:39.49b-manhates his slow connection
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23:43.23b-manliraNuna: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=27735
23:44.16b-manLiraNuna: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=27735
23:44.40b-man(sorry for double posting)
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