| 00:14.49 | Shadow__X | i am having trouble getting bluemaemo working any ideas |
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| 00:24.08 | Shadow__X | i scan for my n810 in linux using hcitool scan |
| 00:24.25 | Shadow__X | it finds it then i do hidd -connect mac address |
| 00:24.33 | Shadow__X | and it says host is down |
| 00:28.24 | Shadow__X | anyone? |
| 00:30.33 | Shadow__X | someone? |
| 00:30.37 | Shadow__X | bluemaemo |
| 00:30.37 | Shadow__X | ? |
| 00:32.07 | Shadow__X | qwerty12_N800, you there |
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| 00:48.46 | Shadow__X | anyone use bluemaemo? |
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| 00:50.40 | lcuk | i expect vdvsx does |
| 00:51.16 | Shadow__X | they arent here apparently i am having more issues with bluetooth on ubuntu then on the device |
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| 00:59.04 | AndrewFBlack | head hurts from working on new minimalist theme |
| 00:59.20 | fireun | not enough sugar |
| 00:59.38 | AndrewFBlack | to much code to looki at |
| 01:00.32 | AndrewFBlack | but its coming together fast |
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| 01:02.19 | fireun | I need to start coding more |
| 01:02.47 | fireun | but I'm used to embedded systems, all this ui stuff gives me headaches (: |
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| 01:13.53 | Macer | hm |
| 01:14.05 | Macer | trying to find state law regarding shooting someone to death someone breaking into your house :) |
| 01:14.30 | Shadow__X | texas |
| 01:14.38 | Macer | illinois |
| 01:14.46 | Shadow__X | texas you can do it |
| 01:16.57 | Macer | is that the only place? :) |
| 01:17.12 | Macer | i can't find illinois law regarding something like that happening |
| 01:21.07 | Macer | http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs4.asp?DocName=072000050HArt.+7&ActID=1876&ChapAct=720%26nbsp%3BILCS%26nbsp%3B5%2F&ChapterID=53&ChapterName=CRIMINAL+OFFENSES&SectionID=60595&SeqStart=7800000&SeqEnd=9300000&ActName=Criminal+Code+of+1961. |
| 01:21.28 | Macer | there it is :) |
| 01:21.34 | Macer | man you just have to love the internet sometimes |
| 01:21.43 | Macer | something like that would have taken forever at a library |
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| 01:26.04 | Macer | hm |
| 01:26.08 | Macer | that law is vague though |
| 01:26.18 | Macer | i was wondering if you can shoot someone trying to steal your car in IL :) |
| 01:26.53 | Shadow__X | hmm one way to find out is do it |
| 01:27.13 | Macer | well. i just always wondered |
| 01:27.35 | Macer | although the law seems rather clear that use of force to protect property from felony (theft) is allowed |
| 01:41.33 | luke-jr | high swappage kills wifi :/ |
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| 01:47.34 | Shadow__X | i got bluemaemo working |
| 01:47.36 | Shadow__X | its awesome |
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| 02:06.32 | Macer | ok. the southpark about pirates is funny |
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| 02:36.28 | Macer | hitler designed absolutely awesome flat towers |
| 02:45.39 | fireun | flat |
| 02:45.41 | fireun | towers |
| 02:45.44 | fireun | flat. |
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| 02:49.46 | Bobbe | u mean these? http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2007/05/strange-towers-of-third-reich.html |
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| 03:16.34 | alex_mayorga_N80 | hello |
| 03:17.05 | alex_mayorga_N80 | can anyone help? my n800 is "talking" |
| 03:18.00 | alex_mayorga_N80 | I installed kde and there seems to be some text to speech going on |
| 03:18.14 | alex_mayorga_N80 | how can I stop it? |
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| 03:27.14 | alex_mayorga_N80 | what can it be? |
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| 03:33.47 | Snaht | are the back/home buttons on the n810 supposed to be backlit? |
| 03:33.57 | xnt_ | Nope |
| 03:34.05 | xnt_ | they aren't |
| 03:34.20 | Snaht | cool, then it's not broken |
| 03:34.35 | xnt_ | :) |
| 03:34.42 | Snaht | hooray for non-broken stuff |
| 03:34.49 | Snaht | thanks |
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| 03:58.48 | alex_mayorga_N80 | I finally figured out what made my n800 talk flite on Mauku |
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| 04:30.14 | luke-jr | any place to download qt mapper source that isn't https? |
| 04:30.22 | luke-jr | or at least one with a curl-happy cert? |
| 04:30.51 | zakkm | cant use https? |
| 04:31.11 | zakkm | luke-jr: try with taking the s out |
| 04:32.32 | luke-jr | it redirects |
| 04:32.37 | zakkm | oh |
| 04:32.40 | zakkm | worth a try :) |
| 04:32.42 | luke-jr | zakkm: wget doesn't like garage's https cert |
| 04:33.02 | zakkm | cant think of what i did to go around that |
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| 04:47.50 | cars__ | Hello. |
| 04:50.50 | radic | why is the cache of the browser disabled by default? |
| 04:51.15 | luke-jr | probably to minimize flash writes |
| 04:52.29 | slonopotamus | worse :) browser doesn't have on-disk cache at all |
| 04:52.47 | luke-jr | ö |
| 04:52.51 | radic | luke-jr: why should the amount of flashe writes keept low? |
| 04:53.04 | luke-jr | radic: because flash has a limited amount of writes before it dies |
| 04:53.46 | luke-jr | this is why I use internal flash as a rescue livecd :D |
| 04:53.56 | luke-jr | and put my real OS on a removable/replacable card |
| 04:54.02 | slonopotamus | everything has limited amout of writes before it dies |
| 04:54.08 | radic | slonopotamus: look at about:config |
| 04:54.48 | slonopotamus | radic, and? |
| 04:55.25 | radic | slonopotamus: there you can enable the cach |
| 04:55.26 | slonopotamus | you want to tell me about browser.cache.disk.enable ? |
| 04:55.34 | radic | +e |
| 04:55.42 | radic | slonopotamus: right |
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| 04:56.30 | slonopotamus | radic, well... set it to true and tell me what changed |
| 04:57.02 | radic | I think a symlink to a cache-dir on my sd-card is a good idea |
| 04:57.36 | radic | slonopotamus: the pages are loaded faster |
| 04:57.57 | slonopotamus | radic, okay, and where are they stored? |
| 04:58.26 | radic | i think on the internal flashe |
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| 04:59.20 | slonopotamus | do not guess, check it :) |
| 05:02.11 | slonopotamus | correct answer is: microb doesn't store pages in disk cache at all :) |
| 05:03.26 | tank-man | its cached on the server on the other side of the internet :) |
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| 05:07.02 | RST38h | there is a big boss on the other side of the internet |
| 05:07.07 | RST38h | you need to beat him to get out |
| 05:07.47 | luke-jr | i c |
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| 05:21.14 | LiraNuna | what does the full screen button corresponds to in a keyboard? F11? |
| 05:21.52 | tank-man | f6 |
| 05:23.12 | LiraNuna | any reason behind it? (just curious) |
| 05:23.52 | Stskeeps | yawns |
| 05:24.19 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: probably easy implementation |
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| 06:16.46 | LiraNuna | how can I get 24h clock in N810W? |
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| 06:17.10 | zakkm | liranuna: give me a sec, let me check |
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| 06:18.00 | zakkm | LiraNuna: dont believe you can, just double checking |
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| 06:18.17 | LiraNuna | zakkm, are you serious? |
| 06:18.54 | zakkm | is there a reason you would need? |
| 06:19.14 | LiraNuna | I dislike the AM/PM system? |
| 06:19.25 | zakkm | im no expert, but as far as i know you cant, and im looknig through now trying to find 24h |
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| 06:19.59 | luke-jr | I dislike the 24 hour system |
| 06:20.11 | luke-jr | give me 16 hex-hour days -.- |
| 06:20.30 | LiraNuna | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=303 says fix |
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| 06:21.34 | zakkm | Quoting the UI designer: "In Fremantle there will be a GCONF value for the time |
| 06:21.34 | zakkm | display setting that apps can read." |
| 06:21.50 | zakkm | LiraNuna: that means the next version of maemo, in like summertime will support 24h |
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| 06:23.30 | LiraNuna | next version of maemo won't run on N8x0 though |
| 06:25.22 | slonopotamus | LiraNuna, time to look at other distros for your tablet :) |
| 06:25.23 | zakkm | exactly, so its up to mer, but according to that, right now there is no way to have 12h. |
| 06:25.29 | zakkm | ahh 24h |
| 06:25.39 | zakkm | even though it says fix, it doesnt necessary mean fixed |
| 06:26.01 | LiraNuna | slonopotamus, I know, mer doesn't look too good atm (I know it's alpha) |
| 06:26.03 | zakkm | slonopotamus: how goes gentoo? |
| 06:26.32 | zakkm | LiraNuna: its not so much that mer doesnt look too good, its the window manager/UI i would say |
| 06:26.43 | qwerty12_N800 | Doesn't that bug say that you can change the locale (or rebuild posix-locales) too? |
| 06:26.49 | LiraNuna | I'm not a fan of hildon at all, tbh |
| 06:27.15 | zakkm | qwerty12_N800: i must of missed that, but even if you did, locale doesnt control 24h/12h does it? |
| 06:27.23 | LiraNuna | N810 has so much potential, and most of the HW is closed source.. |
| 06:27.36 | zakkm | qwerty12_N800: that would also mean that the clock applet and stuff would have to show in 24h too |
| 06:27.47 | zakkm | qwerty12_N800: locale might only make "date" show 24h |
| 06:27.52 | qwerty12_N800 | zakkm: it does. LC_Time var. and all |
| 06:28.18 | zakkm | qwerty12_N800: let me read it again, seems alot of people commented |
| 06:28.21 | slonopotamus | zakkm, perfect :) i got on-screen keyboard :) |
| 06:28.30 | qwerty12_N800 | large statusbar clock has an option for 12hr mode, independent of locale |
| 06:28.35 | zakkm | slonopotamus: how nice? :D |
| 06:28.40 | radic | qwerty12_N800: is for os2008 a replacement for the volumecontrole available? |
| 06:28.59 | zakkm | whats wrong with volume control? |
| 06:29.00 | slonopotamus | zakkm, a little quirky, but definitely usable |
| 06:29.05 | qwerty12_N800 | radic: advanced-backlight? |
| 06:29.08 | zakkm | is the tablet running alsa? |
| 06:29.12 | zakkm | or oss? |
| 06:29.19 | slonopotamus | alsa |
| 06:29.24 | slonopotamus | forget oss |
| 06:29.28 | slonopotamus | it's history :) |
| 06:29.29 | zakkm | there could be alsamixer then , if you want more volume controls |
| 06:29.41 | zakkm | like more specifics |
| 06:30.07 | zakkm | havent used my tablet in like days before like 10min ago ;p |
| 06:30.15 | zakkm | slonopotamus: what WM/DE you got setup? |
| 06:30.17 | radic | qwerty12_N800: with that i couldn't control the recording volume |
| 06:30.32 | zakkm | radic: you see if alsamixer is on the tablet? |
| 06:30.35 | zakkm | run from terminal |
| 06:30.37 | slonopotamus | zakkm, gnome for me, luke-jr installed kde-4.2 on his n810 |
| 06:30.46 | LiraNuna | do you think Nokia will deliver OpenGL ES drivers for N8x0 ? |
| 06:30.51 | zakkm | never :P |
| 06:30.55 | LiraNuna | as in, with Maemo 5.0 ? |
| 06:31.12 | zakkm | maemo 5 is different hardware |
| 06:31.17 | zakkm | that will have opengl drivers |
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| 06:31.28 | zakkm | but the n8x0 / nonmaemo 5 . .wont i think |
| 06:31.28 | LiraNuna | no schedule released, eh? |
| 06:31.36 | zakkm | summer i think? |
| 06:31.39 | zakkm | around |
| 06:31.41 | locutus | why did Nokia never do GL drivers for the 810 anyway? |
| 06:31.55 | LiraNuna | locutus, "licensing issues" as far as I read |
| 06:31.55 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: quim's talking to TI this month about mbx drivers |
| 06:32.05 | locutus | LiraNuna: meh |
| 06:32.07 | zakkm | slonopotamus: did gnome run okay, do you think kde4 did? that would seem so slow |
| 06:32.07 | LiraNuna | Stskeeps, "talking" in what way? |
| 06:32.10 | LiraNuna | can we make "donations" |
| 06:32.22 | zakkm | there was a forum post on that |
| 06:32.31 | zakkm | whats it going to take to get opengl drivers |
| 06:32.40 | slonopotamus | zakkm, gnome speed is comparable to hildon. a little bit slower, but i didn't perform any optimizations yet. |
| 06:32.41 | LiraNuna | bribe |
| 06:32.48 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: as in they're still trying to get drivers for n8x0 |
| 06:32.53 | slonopotamus | needs to record some videos |
| 06:33.13 | zakkm | slonopotamus: seems weird on a tablet though, too small and such |
| 06:33.14 | LiraNuna | Stskeeps, can we donate? (read as bribe) |
| 06:33.25 | konttori_ | Stskeeps, that would be great |
| 06:33.35 | zakkm | Stskeeps: wouldnt that give a huge speed boost in a way, bring for way more things ? |
| 06:33.44 | luke-jr | zakkm: KDE 4 isn't running ok |
| 06:33.46 | slonopotamus | zakkm, better than all that 'hildonization' crap |
| 06:33.46 | konttori_ | I've seen the opengl perf on the n810 and it's actually pretty cool |
| 06:33.55 | konttori_ | only thing is tearing which won't disappear |
| 06:34.03 | zakkm | i want to run fvwm-crystal on tablet i think :D |
| 06:34.17 | LiraNuna | iPhone uses the same chipset |
| 06:34.23 | StsN800 | zakkm, we'll see |
| 06:34.25 | LiraNuna | it got a PowerVR MBX (lite) |
| 06:34.46 | StsN800 | LiraNuna, http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28548&highlight=acceleration |
| 06:34.47 | LiraNuna | the iphone version 1.1.3 has AppleMBX.kext but that got removed on 2.0 |
| 06:34.50 | zakkm | theorically speaking though |
| 06:34.53 | slonopotamus | zakkm, i don't have manpower to hildonize each & every app i want to use |
| 06:35.19 | zakkm | X running off 3d support drivers , rather than what i guess is very software rendered |
| 06:35.34 | LiraNuna | there's also 2D accel, no? |
| 06:35.35 | StsN800 | slonopotamus, we are working on autohildonization too though |
| 06:35.54 | zakkm | yeah i was about to say |
| 06:36.05 | zakkm | 4 years of maemo? and no autohildonizations by now? |
| 06:36.16 | LiraNuna | what's "Freemantle" |
| 06:36.28 | zakkm | maemo 5 |
| 06:36.31 | zakkm | is called fremantle |
| 06:36.32 | luke-jr | is working on anti-hildonization? ;) |
| 06:36.32 | tank-man | freeeee |
| 06:36.34 | StsN800 | zakkm, maemo had other focus |
| 06:36.41 | slonopotamus | StsN800, when you show me hildon running on stock gtk, i'll install ubuntu instead of gentoo on all my machines :) |
| 06:36.45 | LiraNuna | zakkm, thanks |
| 06:36.58 | slonopotamus | i mean running correctly |
| 06:37.00 | StsN800 | slonopotamus, see ubuntu mobile |
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| 06:37.19 | zakkm | theres hildon-desktop x86 and such? |
| 06:37.23 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: traitor! :< |
| 06:37.30 | zakkm | http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/x11/hildon-desktop |
| 06:37.36 | StsN800 | their mid is hildon on top of stock gtk |
| 06:37.46 | zakkm | yoo guys |
| 06:37.51 | StsN800 | time to install ubuntu, slonopotamus. |
| 06:37.57 | zakkm | i got a SD adapter stuck in the removable sd slot |
| 06:38.01 | zakkm | and i cant take it out :( |
| 06:38.11 | StsN800 | tweezer |
| 06:38.22 | zakkm | theres no secret way? |
| 06:38.38 | StsN800 | and take out battery |
| 06:38.47 | luke-jr | I want Hildon-like panel in Qt4 :x |
| 06:38.50 | slonopotamus | looks at his tablet, compares it to http://www.ubuntu.com/files/u1/html-small.jpg and doesn't see any similar parts |
| 06:38.54 | zakkm | take out battery? what would that do |
| 06:39.15 | zakkm | any similar parts? joking right? :P |
| 06:39.16 | StsN800 | zakkm, avoid shorting stuff |
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| 06:39.47 | StsN800 | slonopotamus, debian runs hildon on top of stock gtk too |
| 06:40.16 | slonopotamus | right-click support? |
| 06:40.36 | StsN800 | maybe with gtkstylus. who knows |
| 06:40.56 | radic_ | Linux Nokia-N800-43-7 2.6.21-omap1 #2 Sat May 2 16:04:00 CEST 2009 armv6l unknown |
| 06:41.20 | StsN800 | still, time to install ubuntu.;) |
| 06:41.28 | radic_ | i thought it's omap2, not 1?! |
| 06:42.03 | zakkm | no |
| 06:42.13 | zakkm | its not omap1 .. the way you think |
| 06:42.24 | LiraNuna | so we're stuck at 2.6.21? |
| 06:42.25 | zakkm | radic: its like 2.6.21-omap .. build 1 |
| 06:42.38 | luke-jr | >_< |
| 06:42.39 | zakkm | radic: not omap1 kernel |
| 06:42.51 | luke-jr | LiraNuna: I want to get 2.6.30-omap1 working |
| 06:42.52 | zakkm | i think :D |
| 06:42.55 | zakkm | wow |
| 06:42.56 | zakkm | its at 30? |
| 06:43.04 | luke-jr | zakkm: it's not released yet ;p |
| 06:43.08 | LiraNuna | luke-jr, what about closed source drivers? |
| 06:43.17 | luke-jr | but 2.6.30 saw p54spi+omapfb+omap-alsa hit mainline |
| 06:43.30 | LiraNuna | :O |
| 06:43.34 | luke-jr | LiraNuna: closed source drivers are not legal in Linux kernel land, so non-existent here :p |
| 06:43.44 | zakkm | slonopotamus: hows battery life, on gentoo tablet? |
| 06:43.50 | LiraNuna | were still using them |
| 06:43.54 | LiraNuna | sound, wifi are closed |
| 06:43.57 | luke-jr | so in theory 2.6.30 mainline should handle wifi+display+sound |
| 06:44.07 | Meiz_n810 | LiraNuna not wifi |
| 06:44.10 | luke-jr | at least |
| 06:44.12 | LiraNuna | wifi got opened? |
| 06:44.23 | Meiz_n810 | there's an open driver too |
| 06:44.27 | luke-jr | Meiz_n810: two |
| 06:44.29 | Meiz_n810 | i think |
| 06:44.29 | radic_ | luke-jr: can the kernelsources from kernel.org be compiled for omap1? |
| 06:44.37 | LiraNuna | okay my bad |
| 06:44.45 | luke-jr | radic_: omap is a branch, per definition |
| 06:44.45 | zakkm | radic_: need a kernel diff |
| 06:44.45 | LiraNuna | is still a newbie in the community |
| 06:44.51 | LiraNuna | got my N810W a week ago |
| 06:44.54 | zakkm | sweet :D |
| 06:44.56 | luke-jr | W? |
| 06:44.59 | zakkm | how much, curious :) |
| 06:44.59 | LiraNuna | WiMAX |
| 06:45.08 | luke-jr | I thought those were stopped production O.o |
| 06:45.19 | LiraNuna | yeah :D |
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| 06:45.40 | zakkm | cheap? |
| 06:45.44 | LiraNuna | 470$ |
| 06:45.52 | LiraNuna | new in box sealed |
| 06:46.03 | luke-jr | >_< |
| 06:46.06 | luke-jr | why? |
| 06:46.24 | LiraNuna | because SF is getting 2.5GHz WiMAX in ~6 months |
| 06:46.26 | luke-jr | WiMAX is worth $270 to you? |
| 06:46.37 | luke-jr | i c |
| 06:46.39 | zakkm | whatt |
| 06:46.44 | zakkm | n810 is worth $200? |
| 06:46.47 | LiraNuna | yes |
| 06:46.49 | LiraNuna | 210$ |
| 06:46.51 | LiraNuna | last time I checked |
| 06:46.52 | luke-jr | zakkm: that's what i got mine for |
| 06:46.55 | zakkm | damnn |
| 06:47.01 | zakkm | i should sell my n800 and buy a n810 |
| 06:47.05 | slonopotamus | StsN800, please don't call a thing with 2.6mb patch "stock gtk". |
| 06:47.10 | LiraNuna | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16858618003&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Ultra+Mobile+PC-_-Nokia-_-58618003 |
| 06:47.35 | slonopotamus | and grepping http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gtk+2.0/gtk+2.0_2.16.1-0ubuntu2.diff.gz for "hildon" shows up many interesting results. |
| 06:47.51 | zakkm | slonopotamus: hildon isnt just for the tablet. |
| 06:48.03 | slonopotamus | damn, that's 10% of all gtk patched |
| 06:48.22 | luke-jr | HAHAHA |
| 06:48.44 | LiraNuna | anyone knows if we can get webkit+V8 working ? |
| 06:48.44 | zakkm | can the tablet run ubuntu mid? :P |
| 06:48.51 | slonopotamus | ++#ifdef MAEMO_CHANGES |
| 06:48.53 | zakkm | LiraNuna: Use Tear browser. |
| 06:48.53 | LiraNuna | V8 has an ARM6 port, it does javascript dynarec |
| 06:48.54 | slonopotamus | perfect |
| 06:49.00 | LiraNuna | zakkm, tear? |
| 06:49.14 | zakkm | LiraNuna: webkit browser, designed just for tablet, by bundyo |
| 06:49.25 | LiraNuna | what about JS? does it use V8? |
| 06:49.30 | zakkm | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=281889#post281889 |
| 06:49.39 | zakkm | no idea, but in maemo, its the best your get |
| 06:49.53 | LiraNuna | http://code.google.com/p/v8/ |
| 06:49.54 | zakkm | could use firefox mobile? |
| 06:49.59 | LiraNuna | ARM :) |
| 06:50.01 | zakkm | i know what v8 is |
| 06:50.06 | zakkm | but im thinking towards tablet |
| 06:50.15 | LiraNuna | teblet got ARM |
| 06:50.19 | zakkm | v8 isnt that fast? |
| 06:50.24 | zakkm | newest webkit beats it i believe |
| 06:50.25 | LiraNuna | V8 is a dynamic recompiler |
| 06:50.31 | LiraNuna | oh wow, really? |
| 06:50.39 | LiraNuna | does it dynarec? |
| 06:50.58 | luke-jr | zakkm: even on ARM? |
| 06:51.07 | zakkm | im thinking x86 |
| 06:51.09 | LiraNuna | V8 does dynamic recompilation on ARM |
| 06:51.36 | slonopotamus | luke-jr, what's so funny? |
| 06:51.38 | luke-jr | I don't like x86 ;p |
| 06:51.58 | zakkm | x86_64 . |
| 06:52.10 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: nothing? |
| 06:52.15 | zakkm | lol what tablet do you use? :P |
| 06:52.18 | slonopotamus | <luke-jr> HAHAHA |
| 06:52.19 | zakkm | ahh |
| 06:52.20 | zakkm | desktop |
| 06:52.21 | slonopotamus | :) |
| 06:52.26 | luke-jr | [01:48:04] <slonopotamus> damn, that's 10% of all gtk patched |
| 06:52.38 | slonopotamus | luke-jr, well... i had to protect gentoo :) |
| 06:52.52 | zakkm | lol |
| 06:52.58 | zakkm | slonopotamus: you try fvwm-crystal on it? |
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| 06:53.20 | slonopotamus | still, 2.6mb patch is insane. the whole app i'm currently developing @ work is less :) |
| 06:53.24 | zakkm | if i had n810, gentoo would seem cool but i dont ;p |
| 06:53.47 | slonopotamus | zakkm, wtf is fvwm-crystal? |
| 06:53.54 | slonopotamus | googling |
| 06:53.58 | LiraNuna | http://sideshowbarker.net/2009/04/02/webkit-arm-jit/ < okay, nvm |
| 06:54.02 | zakkm | transparent fvwm desktop |
| 06:54.12 | zakkm | window manager based on fvwm |
| 06:54.28 | zakkm | http://www.fvwm-crystal.org/screenshots/wallpapers.jpg |
| 06:54.38 | zakkm | much customizable |
| 06:54.39 | slonopotamus | won't software transparency be slow? |
| 06:54.48 | zakkm | its lighter than fluxbox |
| 06:55.13 | zakkm | dont know about disk usage, cause it pulls in alot of stuff |
| 06:55.19 | zakkm | but system resources its less |
| 06:55.32 | zakkm | got my tablet wanting to put that on ;p |
| 06:55.42 | luke-jr | We did measurements on a Nokia N810, and we gained 13% performance improvement. The memory consumption is increased by 3.3% which is a small trade-off for this performance improvement. |
| 06:55.44 | luke-jr | FAIL |
| 06:55.51 | luke-jr | memory is FAR more important IMOP |
| 06:55.53 | luke-jr | IMO* |
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| 06:55.55 | slonopotamus | disk usage isn't a problem. |
| 06:55.58 | zakkm | luke-jr: of what? |
| 06:56.21 | zakkm | slonopotamus: it has mpd/xmms builtin, uses rox-filer for file browser |
| 06:57.02 | thux | morning |
| 06:57.22 | luke-jr | zakkm: WebKit ARM JIT |
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| 06:57.29 | zakkm | ;p |
| 06:58.40 | LiraNuna | luke-jr, memory increased by 3%, this isn't a lot |
| 06:58.55 | LiraNuna | assuming this is for code execution buffers |
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| 06:59.43 | luke-jr | LiraNuna: the N810 is already very short on memory |
| 06:59.48 | luke-jr | LiraNuna: I'm seriously considering getting compcache (memory compression) on it |
| 06:59.58 | LiraNuna | how short? |
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| 07:00.09 | LiraNuna | deblet with gnome used 77MB |
| 07:00.20 | luke-jr | Gentoo with KDE 4.2 is pushing it |
| 07:00.31 | luke-jr | if I run Marble, I'm pretty sure I go over |
| 07:00.43 | zakkm | wow not bad |
| 07:00.45 | zakkm | 77mb? |
| 07:00.55 | LiraNuna | zakkm, that's what it reported |
| 07:01.04 | qwerty12 | luke-jr: compcache has been done and the tablet likes to restart with it runnning |
| 07:01.09 | qwerty12 | s/runnning/running/ |
| 07:01.17 | zakkm | compcache crashes it. |
| 07:01.21 | luke-jr | qwerty12: oh, interesting |
| 07:01.37 | LiraNuna | that was a special gnome with 'stripped down' environment |
| 07:01.39 | zakkm | qwerty12: was that just maemo though, or was it tried in mer? |
| 07:01.42 | luke-jr | I suspect latest kernel+compcache may help |
| 07:01.53 | qwerty12 | zakkm: doesn't matter, it's a kernel problem |
| 07:01.55 | LiraNuna | but had totem, nm-applet, file-roller, gedit, evince... |
| 07:02.23 | LiraNuna | I had to optimize the panels, since some of the applets such as trash-applet take 4.4MB for nothing |
| 07:02.34 | LiraNuna | so I just replaced it with a launcher to trash:// :D |
| 07:02.34 | luke-jr | XD |
| 07:02.48 | LiraNuna | which now took a good 4k memory :) |
| 07:03.12 | Stskeeps | so, uh |
| 07:03.17 | Stskeeps | did you see one of those SmartQ 5 MIDs? |
| 07:03.19 | zakkm | liranuna: kill gnome panel .. and run xfce-panel .. would use less :P |
| 07:03.32 | LiraNuna | zakkm, 77MB was nice |
| 07:03.34 | zakkm | or even lxde panel |
| 07:03.41 | LiraNuna | my problem was wireless not working |
| 07:03.54 | LiraNuna | nm-applet says no networks found |
| 07:03.58 | zakkm | deblet is really old though ; |
| 07:04.01 | LiraNuna | I know |
| 07:04.06 | LiraNuna | still works |
| 07:04.11 | zakkm | thought you just got your tablet? |
| 07:04.21 | zakkm | you recently tried deblet? |
| 07:04.23 | LiraNuna | a week ago |
| 07:04.42 | zakkm | mer would of performed better :P |
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| 07:04.48 | zakkm | or ubuntu n8x0 |
| 07:04.55 | LiraNuna | zakkm, mer performed horribly slow compared to gnome |
| 07:05.00 | zakkm | no |
| 07:05.05 | zakkm | install mer, than apt-get gnome |
| 07:05.05 | LiraNuna | gnome was nice and fast, almost as fast as hildon |
| 07:05.19 | LiraNuna | zakkm, I believe Stskeeps said it's problematic |
| 07:05.37 | zakkm | cant be worse than deblet, i would think |
| 07:05.44 | Stskeeps | zakkm: some GTK conflicts |
| 07:06.05 | zakkm | from patched gtk? |
| 07:06.15 | zakkm | but then how does b-man do it? |
| 07:06.23 | Stskeeps | he doesn't pin mer on top |
| 07:06.35 | LiraNuna | I want to try ubuntu |
| 07:06.43 | LiraNuna | but I don't have my miniSD adapter yet |
| 07:07.07 | zakkm | n810's are cool :D |
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| 07:07.47 | Stskeeps | my fiancee tells me the exact same box as http://kamleung.com/goodies/q5/index.html is waiting for me at home |
| 07:07.49 | zakkm | fremantle beta ui/theme looks so cool :D |
| 07:08.18 | zakkm | nothing aganist your fiancee, but shes lying stskeeps :D |
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| 07:11.05 | LiraNuna | haha |
| 07:12.30 | LiraNuna | hmm, unable to install libidn11 - incompatible application package |
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| 07:15.56 | LiraNuna | does the N8x0 have HFPU or GCC's vFPU? |
| 07:16.54 | slonopotamus | LiraNuna, http://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x0/cflags |
| 07:17.19 | LiraNuna | VFP \o/ |
| 07:17.36 | LiraNuna | I'm used to weak ARMs |
| 07:17.46 | LiraNuna | ARM7TDMI, ARM9v5STE |
| 07:18.40 | LiraNuna | "However, there are rumours that some programs break with -Os" only if you don't use volatile in the right way |
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| 07:19.20 | qwerty12 | slonopotamus: march can also be set to arm1136jf-s and I also tend to use -mfloat-abi=softfp too |
| 07:20.24 | LiraNuna | soft? |
| 07:20.37 | LiraNuna | if you use softfp, have -ffast-math as well |
| 07:22.55 | luke-jr | LiraNuna: softfp is an ABI, not actual software ;) |
| 07:24.29 | LiraNuna | sorry, I'm used to lower-level ARM development |
| 07:26.15 | LiraNuna | like manipulating the ARM's MPU for dynarec emulation of lower level ARMs |
| 07:26.18 | LiraNuna | funtimes |
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| 07:33.30 | wazd | Hello maemo |
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| 07:37.35 | slonopotamus | qwerty12, -mfloat-abi=softfp doesn't have any visible effect |
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| 07:38.37 | slonopotamus | qwerty12, march can, but will it change anything actually? |
| 07:39.19 | qwerty12 | If you're only targeting the N8x0, I can't see it hurting anything |
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| 07:45.14 | LiraNuna | holy shi- Tear is so friggin fast |
| 07:45.21 | LiraNuna | only thing stopping it is the LCD rendering |
| 07:45.34 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 07:47.07 | LiraNuna | now how do I get adblock for it? :D |
| 07:48.45 | LiraNuna | holy shi- it also supports flash |
| 07:49.14 | LiraNuna | where's the dude[s] that created this and how can I donate him[them] |
| 07:50.57 | Stskeeps | Bundyo |
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| 07:53.42 | zakkm | LiraNuna: hosts file would be better than adblock , performance wise |
| 07:54.02 | LiraNuna | hmm |
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| 07:54.33 | LiraNuna | zakkm, thanks, I didn't thought of that |
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| 07:57.36 | LiraNuna | I need to mesh the touchscreen for flash to work, hehe |
| 07:58.29 | zakkm | LiraNuna: i suggest adding qole's repository, so you can use application manager to update tear + libwebkit |
| 07:58.50 | zakkm | and get notified of updates |
| 07:58.52 | LiraNuna | it's not in extras-devel? |
| 07:59.03 | zakkm | no |
| 07:59.09 | zakkm | not that i know of? |
| 07:59.12 | zakkm | is it? |
| 07:59.48 | LiraNuna | what's the repo link? |
| 08:00.06 | zakkm | LiraNuna: goto http://qole.maemobox.org/ |
| 08:00.09 | zakkm | it will tell you |
| 08:00.16 | LiraNuna | ty |
| 08:03.20 | zakkm | LiraNuna: going to bed, :D have class in just over 5 hours, still in highschool |
| 08:03.29 | zakkm | have fun with Tear and maemo learning :) |
| 08:03.30 | LiraNuna | thanks for your help |
| 08:04.33 | Meiz_n810 | wonders what the hell is wrong with us (Finnish people) O_O http://www.google.com/trends?q=goatse&ctab=1986094119&geo=all&date=ytd |
| 08:05.07 | LiraNuna | you obviously love it |
| 08:05.24 | glass | Meiz_n810: well, a lot. + goatse is a bucket of fun |
| 08:05.29 | LiraNuna | don't forget, google is your best friend - if you ask it for goat sex, it'll ask "are the goats on fire?" |
| 08:06.02 | locutus | LiraNuna: it offers me no such thing :-( |
| 08:06.11 | qwerty12 | Meiz_n810: goatse is jokes |
| 08:07.42 | jeremiah_ | Meiz_n810: I won't click on anything with 'goatse' in the link. Scary. |
| 08:07.51 | Stskeeps | morning jeremiah_ :) |
| 08:08.51 | jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: Hello Sir Stskeeps! |
| 08:09.00 | jeremiah_ | How is life in beautiful Denmark? |
| 08:09.33 | Stskeeps | jeremiah_: i received http://kamleung.com/goodies/q5/index.html , one of these boxes today :) |
| 08:09.55 | jeremiah_ | Hot form the oven?! :) |
| 08:10.11 | Stskeeps | from i think they meant :) |
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| 08:10.43 | jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: Does it run Mer? |
| 08:10.52 | Stskeeps | jeremiah_: it will.. :) |
| 08:10.56 | jeremiah_ | heh |
| 08:11.05 | Stskeeps | it's basically a slightly faster n800 |
| 08:11.12 | jeremiah_ | Keep on rockin' Stskeeps! |
| 08:11.39 | Stskeeps | and the company is donating two of those to the project and 10 developer rebates, they already run ubuntu so |
| 08:12.02 | jeremiah_ | Hmmm - Are all the developer rebates spoken for? =) |
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| 08:12.16 | Stskeeps | not yet, there's no formal process set up |
| 08:12.34 | jeremiah_ | Are they really the size of a business card? |
| 08:12.39 | jeremiah_ | That is tiny. |
| 08:12.41 | Stskeeps | nah, bigger |
| 08:12.48 | jjo | even the full price doesn't seem too bad |
| 08:13.26 | Stskeeps | i would get a nokia for the quality obviously |
| 08:13.36 | Stskeeps | but if i need some random tablet around the house, i'd go for a cheap one |
| 08:13.39 | jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: Of course. And for the community. :P |
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| 08:14.21 | Stskeeps | and for people liking to experiment it has a capacitive screen |
| 08:14.42 | Stskeeps | and runs ubuntu already |
| 08:15.11 | jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: Interesting that they chose Ubuntu, I wonder why. |
| 08:15.23 | Stskeeps | jeremiah_: no need for a sw department? |
| 08:15.32 | jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: And what are the practical benefits of a capacative screen? |
| 08:15.38 | Stskeeps | jeremiah_: multitouch for instance afai |
| 08:15.44 | jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: I mean Ubuntu versus debian. |
| 08:15.47 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 08:15.53 | Stskeeps | more user friendly? :P |
| 08:16.01 | Stskeeps | but yeah, good question |
| 08:16.03 | jeremiah_ | Yeah, maybe that is what they thought. |
| 08:16.16 | jeremiah_ | Maybe they think Ubuntu is more popular. |
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| 08:17.04 | Stskeeps | or better chinese support |
| 08:17.13 | jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: It would be really interesting to find out - if you ever speak to them, ask them why Ubuntu and not Debian. Though I am sure that might not be the first thing on your list. :) |
| 08:17.20 | LiraNuna | Stskeeps, how big are they? |
| 08:17.25 | jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: Debian is known for its excellent internationalization. |
| 08:17.46 | jeremiah_ | In fact, debian is available in Mongolian and other languages. |
| 08:17.59 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: http://www.slashgear.com/smartq-5-mid-specs-photos-emerge-just-132-2639014/ |
| 08:18.10 | jeremiah_ | So I doubt they chose Ubuntu over Debian because of Chinese language support, but maybe. |
| 08:19.16 | jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: Does it do any type of telephony? |
| 08:19.22 | Stskeeps | jeremiah_: not a phone, it's a tablet |
| 08:19.34 | Stskeeps | it's not a competitor for rx-51 for sure |
| 08:19.37 | jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: And does it have proprietary blobs? |
| 08:19.54 | Stskeeps | jeremiah_: only video codecs as far as i can tell, and libertas wifi firmware |
| 08:20.05 | jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: Wow - pretty open. |
| 08:20.06 | Stskeeps | but nothing that is required to use it |
| 08:20.10 | jeremiah_ | cool. |
| 08:20.20 | Stskeeps | jeremiah_: they'll publish HW design and source code soon they said |
| 08:20.25 | jeremiah_ | Really!? |
| 08:20.28 | jeremiah_ | Amazing. |
| 08:20.49 | jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: That will generate some interest if they follow through. |
| 08:20.58 | Stskeeps | they just might |
| 08:21.25 | Stskeeps | btw, he commented something i didn't hear of before: I have just noticed companies like Marvell choose maemo as |
| 08:21.28 | Stskeeps | their MID/Netbook reference design. |
| 08:21.33 | Stskeeps | is this anything heard about? |
| 08:21.37 | LiraNuna | how different is this one from the N800? |
| 08:21.52 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: no dpad, no buttons than the ones above, bigger battery |
| 08:21.56 | Stskeeps | more internal flash |
| 08:21.58 | Stskeeps | SD slot |
| 08:22.14 | Stskeeps | capacitive screen |
| 08:22.44 | LiraNuna | what about chipsets? |
| 08:22.56 | Stskeeps | samsung armv5 it seems |
| 08:22.58 | Stskeeps | sec |
| 08:23.18 | jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: Do you mean have I heard anything about companies using Maemo as their reference design? No - they keep me in the dark. :) |
| 08:23.27 | Stskeeps | jeremiah_: ah, if anyone heard |
| 08:23.39 | Stskeeps | i haven't been able to find anything about it, so it might be an internal chinese thing :) |
| 08:24.20 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: http://www.slashgear.com/smartq-5-mid-gets-reviewed-let-down-by-poor-cpu-0640122/ has video |
| 08:25.20 | LiraNuna | "but thereâs no Flash or YouTube support" we can fix it right? :) |
| 08:25.37 | Stskeeps | now that's a rather murky area and i don't want to give an answer to that :P |
| 08:25.42 | Stskeeps | gnash should work? :P |
| 08:25.46 | jeremiah_ | LiraNuna: That will be a PITA. |
| 08:26.19 | LiraNuna | how's Nxx0 flash player different? |
| 08:26.25 | LiraNuna | it's a browser plugin, right? |
| 08:26.35 | Stskeeps | yeah, and tied to maemo sortof :P |
| 08:26.44 | Stskeeps | also, we can't legally copy that :> |
| 08:26.46 | jeremiah_ | LiraNuna: Well, you are starting off with a different CPU. |
| 08:27.16 | LiraNuna | jeremiah_, it's still ARM, we can patch the binary ;P |
| 08:27.34 | LiraNuna | I know it's 'illegal' but are they REALLY gonna chase us? |
| 08:27.51 | jeremiah_ | LiraNuna: I doubt they well chase you, they might even like it. :) |
| 08:28.04 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: adobe would probably. |
| 08:28.05 | jeremiah_ | LiraNuna: But how much official support will you get? |
| 08:28.32 | jeremiah_ | I mean, you can hack your machine all you want, but you won't be able to distribute. |
| 08:28.36 | jeremiah_ | So what's the point? |
| 08:28.38 | LiraNuna | how much official support does the N series get? none |
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| 08:28.55 | jeremiah_ | LiraNuna: Nokia supports the maemo community in a huge way. |
| 08:29.05 | jeremiah_ | They get it. |
| 08:29.16 | jeremiah_ | Sure you may feel it could be more open |
| 08:29.33 | jeremiah_ | but they are bound by agreements that already exist in the marketplace |
| 08:29.37 | jeremiah_ | That they cannot change |
| 08:29.41 | LiraNuna | I'm new, so I don't really know |
| 08:29.48 | jeremiah_ | LiraNuna: :) |
| 08:29.56 | jeremiah_ | LiraNuna: No biggie - you raise important issues. |
| 08:30.22 | jeremiah_ | LiraNuna: And I apologize if I sound critical, I don't mean to. |
| 08:30.30 | lbt | LiraNuna: but they have stated that there will be no more 'official' releases of anything for the N8x0s |
| 08:30.48 | lbt | (you only got a tablet a few days ago didn't you?) |
| 08:30.58 | LiraNuna | so, that means flash support is deprecated |
| 08:31.06 | jeremiah_ | lbt: But you don't really expect to spend all that money supporting an EOL product do you? |
| 08:31.12 | jeremiah_ | No other company does that. |
| 08:31.13 | LiraNuna | meaning we can do stuff with it and they shouldn't really move anything |
| 08:31.31 | LiraNuna | lbt, last week |
| 08:31.39 | lbt | jeremiah_ they still sell them ... I expect them to support products they sell |
| 08:31.51 | jeremiah_ | lbt: You have a point. |
| 08:31.57 | lbt | and I expect them to be supported for a year after they stop selling them |
| 08:32.16 | lbt | look at LiraNuna ... tablet less than a week old and it's "EOL"... tough |
| 08:32.26 | jeremiah_ | lbt: Yeah. Not good. |
| 08:32.32 | lbt | so, tbh, it could be better |
| 08:33.09 | lbt | I have an old Nokia phone, the new sync SW still supports it |
| 08:33.10 | LiraNuna | lbt, I know the WiMAX edition is EOL |
| 08:33.40 | LiraNuna | someone here said before that 2.6.30 kernel is possible |
| 08:34.02 | lbt | LiraNuna: nevertheless... it's brand new and I think you're entitled to expect that bug fixes will be at least looked at for a reasonable duration |
| 08:34.25 | LiraNuna | lbt, of course, but I don't really think Adobe will bother |
| 08:34.26 | lbt | however a bug report against an N8x0 is met with "WONTFIX" ... eol |
| 08:34.36 | LiraNuna | heh |
| 08:34.56 | lbt | so my N800 has the internet phone app |
| 08:35.05 | lbt | it makes a great SIP handset |
| 08:35.21 | lbt | but there is no DTMF |
| 08:35.27 | lbt | not worth filing a bug :( |
| 08:35.42 | lbt | anyhow, it is what it is |
| 08:35.59 | lbt | and whilst I think it's a poor show |
| 08:36.13 | lbt | Nokia are doing other things which are a lot better :) |
| 08:36.33 | lbt | there is support for Mer in many areas |
| 08:37.06 | lbt | but it looks like you'll never get to use the internal gps in Mer |
| 08:37.09 | jeremiah_ | lbt: I think using Mer for backwards compatibility is a great idea |
| 08:37.22 | jeremiah_ | lbt: I puts the control in the hands of the community. |
| 08:37.34 | LiraNuna | is the GPS chipset closed-source too? |
| 08:37.35 | lbt | well... it also offloads legacy responsibility |
| 08:37.50 | lbt | GPS-> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4380 |
| 08:38.13 | jeremiah_ | lbt: Yes - but that is part of the deal and a realistic expectation. |
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| 08:38.30 | lbt | <cynical> so Nokia can EOL even sooner and say it's supported via Mer... apart from.....</cynical> |
| 08:38.45 | jeremiah_ | You may argue that it is happening too soon or without enough Nokia support, and you may be right, but it is, in principle, a good thing. |
| 08:38.48 | LiraNuna | bleh |
| 08:38.56 | jeremiah_ | At least, so thinks I. |
| 08:39.03 | lbt | what? Mer? |
| 08:39.08 | LiraNuna | good thing I got this thing for free |
| 08:39.16 | LiraNuna | that way I can get my wife to get another one :D |
| 08:39.54 | lbt | what? Mer? <- jeremiah_ |
| 08:40.12 | jeremiah_ | LiraNuna: When the new one comes out, you will want to give your wife the old one. :) |
| 08:40.16 | jeremiah_ | lbt: Yeah. |
| 08:40.18 | Stskeeps | some might argue that cutting off life support is a good way to get the community encouraged |
| 08:40.28 | LiraNuna | jeremiah_, I meant, get my wife to agree to get the new one |
| 08:40.31 | Stskeeps | rage is a good motivator sometime :) |
| 08:40.37 | jeremiah_ | LiraNuna: Heh. |
| 08:40.46 | lbt | hehe ... but futile rage .... ? |
| 08:40.51 | jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: You have a way with words. :) |
| 08:40.57 | lbt | has an N800 and a BT gps |
| 08:41.09 | LiraNuna | the shop that sold the N810W to me delivered the product after 34 days (!) and I already claimed fraud |
| 08:41.11 | Stskeeps | lbt: oh, it's not futile if there's someone ready to facilitate the rage :P |
| 08:41.25 | lbt | hopes maemo-mapper can ignore the liblocate stuff and use gpsd |
| 08:42.25 | lbt | Stskeeps: some things we can't reasonably expect to fix ... 3D accel, n810 gps... |
| 08:42.34 | lbt | I doubt Mer will ever support them |
| 08:42.50 | lbt | but we'll see if Nokia continue to open up the HW |
| 08:42.57 | lbt | it's a journey for them |
| 08:43.13 | LiraNuna | hmm, Tear doesn't seem to pass acid3 test |
| 08:43.22 | LiraNuna | I get 13/100 |
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| 08:44.27 | Stskeeps | lbt: obviously, but you didn't see qgil coming in to talk about it? (he's taking a talk with TI about it this month), and http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=283003&highlight=acceleration#post283003 |
| 08:44.31 | Stskeeps | (3d) |
| 08:44.34 | Stskeeps | gps we'll have to figure out somehow |
| 08:45.04 | lbt | oh yes |
| 08:45.32 | lbt | I meant *we* as in not-Nokia |
| 08:46.52 | lbt | so we can rage all we like .... but it's not enough.... whereas being pissed off at the lack of fingerscrolling in Qt.... I can do something about that <grin> |
| 08:47.22 | lbt | I'd *really* like to get that into Qt |
| 08:47.32 | lbt | to demonstrate community feedback |
| 08:47.50 | lbt | something small, but very 'pointable at' |
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| 08:51.29 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 08:51.39 | Stskeeps | fingerscrolling, pannable area? |
| 08:51.49 | lbt | yes... |
| 08:51.57 | lbt | hates the word kinetic |
| 08:52.02 | Stskeeps | hehe |
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| 08:52.17 | lbt | thinks that implies momentum and continued motion/slowing down |
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| 09:06.22 | timeless_mbp | LiraNuna: you understand that Flash Player for 770/n800/n810 is licensed by Nokia from Adobe, right? |
| 09:06.34 | timeless_mbp | it's based on the real flash player sources |
| 09:06.41 | LiraNuna | timeless_mbp, oh wow |
| 09:06.46 | LiraNuna | so we can't get a newer version? |
| 09:07.45 | Stskeeps | morning timeless_mbp |
| 09:08.00 | LiraNuna | it's still stuck on 9.0 r22 |
| 09:08.27 | timeless_mbp | jeremiah_: btw you're unfair, IBM, Sun and Microsoft all support EOLd products (if you *PAY* for a service contract) |
| 09:08.36 | timeless_mbp | um, you shouldn't have r22 |
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| 09:08.49 | timeless_mbp | you probably have the buggy misbranded 49 or whatever |
| 09:08.54 | timeless_mbp | and there's an update to fix that |
| 09:09.04 | timeless_mbp | you can either find the official way to get the update |
| 09:09.07 | LiraNuna | I got the wimax |
| 09:09.15 | timeless_mbp | it doesn't matter |
| 09:09.34 | LiraNuna | <- tablet life of 6 days |
| 09:09.38 | timeless_mbp | sorry it's misbranded 48, not 49 |
| 09:09.39 | lcukx41 | o/' mornin |
| 09:09.44 | timeless_mbp | http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/flash-player-r48-0.1.deb |
| 09:09.52 | timeless_mbp | note that i haven't tried it on rx48 |
| 09:09.55 | timeless_mbp | but it should work |
| 09:10.08 | jeremiah_ | timeless_mbp: You got me! :) |
| 09:10.10 | timeless_mbp | you really should find the correct way to update to the final released version of the system stack |
| 09:10.51 | LiraNuna | timeless, thank you, works |
| 09:11.01 | timeless_mbp | go to control panel, what does about[product] say? |
| 09:11.18 | timeless_mbp | LiraNuna: anyway, youtube and friends should stop bothering you about flash for a while |
| 09:11.24 | LiraNuna | 5.2008.43-7 |
| 09:11.29 | timeless_mbp | ponders |
| 09:11.36 | timeless_mbp | anyone know what the last version is? :) |
| 09:11.39 | Stskeeps | that |
| 09:11.39 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:11.48 | LiraNuna | timeless_mbp, I had flash, just r22 |
| 09:11.50 | timeless_mbp | LiraNuna: what does about:plugins say now? :) |
| 09:12.04 | LiraNuna | r48 |
| 09:12.08 | LiraNuna | <LiraNuna> timeless, thank you, works |
| 09:12.32 | timeless_mbp | yeah, i figured, but i might as well see output :) |
| 09:12.33 | LiraNuna | anyone knows anything about the WiMAX chip of the N810W? |
| 09:12.49 | Stskeeps | pc2400m |
| 09:12.51 | Stskeeps | or something |
| 09:12.53 | timeless_mbp | i'm sure some of my coworkers do since they work on it :) |
| 09:12.59 | timeless_mbp | or rather worked on it |
| 09:13.02 | timeless_mbp | but :) |
| 09:13.04 | LiraNuna | Stskeeps, not open, right? |
| 09:13.11 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: i compiled it the other day |
| 09:13.13 | Stskeeps | so i guess it's open |
| 09:13.17 | LiraNuna | :O |
| 09:13.17 | qwerty12 | LiraNuna: the source for it is in the kernel |
| 09:13.22 | LiraNuna | awesome \:D/ |
| 09:13.36 | qwerty12 | But the firmware is stored on the initfs which, as you'll have guessed, is not open :) |
| 09:14.09 | LiraNuna | I think Intel (?) gives the firmware version |
| 09:14.14 | timeless_mbp | http://www.brainfall.com/quizzes/which-disney-princess-are-you/ |
| 09:14.27 | LiraNuna | http://www.linuxwimax.org/Download |
| 09:14.35 | Stskeeps | possible |
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| 09:14.44 | LiraNuna | says i2400 but I don't know if it's this one |
| 09:14.55 | Stskeeps | it's pc2400m so |
| 09:15.02 | jeremiah_ | timeless_mbp: Which Disney princess are you? |
| 09:15.10 | Stskeeps | snowwhite is my bet |
| 09:15.14 | LiraNuna | but the firmware is not bound to a kernel right? |
| 09:15.17 | timeless_mbp | jeremiah_: i've only tried picking the top answer |
| 09:15.18 | Stskeeps | correct |
| 09:15.24 | timeless_mbp | i'm going to actually answer now |
| 09:15.29 | LiraNuna | so no problem about that right? |
| 09:15.39 | jeremiah_ | Waiting on tenterhooks. . . |
| 09:16.27 | thux | tenterhooks where is my dictionary |
| 09:17.12 | timeless_mbp | Jasmine :) |
| 09:17.45 | jeremiah_ | timeless_mbp: I would be shocked if only I knew who Jasmine was. :-/ |
| 09:17.55 | jeremiah_ | I guess I will have to take the quiz. |
| 09:17.59 | timeless_mbp | jeremiah_: um, crawl out from under your carpet |
| 09:18.06 | timeless_mbp | come along for a magic carpet ride |
| 09:18.16 | lcukx41 | lol timeless how come theres no disney princesses who spend friday nights drinking beer and coding |
| 09:18.21 | timeless_mbp | actually... come in out of the desert |
| 09:18.32 | timeless_mbp | lcukx41: not my problem, i chose read a book |
| 09:18.39 | timeless_mbp | doesn't drink |
| 09:18.49 | lcukx41 | i am belle - and i dunno who she is lol |
| 09:18.55 | Stskeeps | beauty and the beast? |
| 09:19.00 | timeless_mbp | lcukx41: gah |
| 09:19.04 | timeless_mbp | ++Stskeeps |
| 09:19.11 | Stskeeps | (.. i spent too much time in HS with girls who loved disney songs..) |
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| 09:19.33 | timeless_mbp | actually i'm not sure if i ever saw the disney version of that start to finish |
| 09:19.37 | timeless_mbp | but i still know it! |
| 09:19.40 | lcukx41 | Stskeeps: dont lie, you have all the videos lol |
| 09:19.49 | timeless_mbp | jeremiah_: did you figure out who jasmine is? |
| 09:19.49 | LiraNuna | memorized! |
| 09:20.13 | jeremiah_ | timeless_mbp: Not yet, but I found out I am Pocahontas. \0/ |
| 09:20.23 | timeless_mbp | i hope you know who she is |
| 09:20.34 | timeless_mbp | Jasmine is Aladdin's girlfriend |
| 09:20.40 | lbt | Jasmine/Pocahontas |
| 09:20.42 | jeremiah_ | I do know Pocahontas - thank god. :) |
| 09:20.56 | LiraNuna | Jasmine is from Aladin, no? |
| 09:20.57 | timeless_mbp | but have you seen the movie? |
| 09:21.02 | timeless_mbp | LiraNuna: yes |
| 09:21.10 | jeremiah_ | I don't want to be ostracized by everyone here for not knowing about Pocahontas. |
| 09:21.17 | timeless_mbp | (in the case of Aladdin, i believe there are 3) |
| 09:21.35 | lcukx41 | jeremiah_: there are much worse things in the world |
| 09:21.35 | LiraNuna | g'night all, thanks for being patient with me |
| 09:21.36 | timeless_mbp | jeremiah_: truth be told, i'd only ostracize Americans for her |
| 09:21.46 | LiraNuna | wonderful community |
| 09:21.47 | timeless_mbp | the rest can rightfully claim a certain degree of ignorance |
| 09:22.06 | jeremiah_ | Pocahontas was a real person who played an important role in American history. |
| 09:22.13 | timeless_mbp | right |
| 09:22.19 | jeremiah_ | So us Americans _ought_ to know about her. |
| 09:22.23 | timeless_mbp | right |
| 09:22.32 | jeremiah_ | But this Jasmine person . . . |
| 09:22.38 | jeremiah_ | I have an excuse, right? |
| 09:22.49 | timeless_mbp | for not knowing enough tales from the Arabian nights? |
| 09:22.51 | timeless_mbp | not really |
| 09:23.01 | jeremiah_ | Bummer. |
| 09:23.05 | lcukx41 | did aladin let her rub his lamp? |
| 09:23.17 | timeless_mbp | lcukx41: in movie 2 or 3 i'm pretty sure |
| 09:23.27 | timeless_mbp | or was there a four? |
| 09:23.44 | lcukx41 | i dunno, who did they cast in the roll? sasha grey? |
| 09:24.21 | jeremiah_ | slinks off to Piratebay to find some Disney movies . . . |
| 09:24.29 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 09:24.32 | qwerty12 | lcukx41: what sort of Aladdin movies do you watch? |
| 09:24.50 | lcukx41 | i dont |
| 09:24.59 | jeremiah_ | uh oh - I am sensing a shift from childrens films to something more, um, adult. |
| 09:25.08 | lcukx41 | not at all lol |
| 09:25.32 | timeless_mbp | ok, i was right,there were only 3 |
| 09:25.49 | RST38h | moos |
| 09:26.18 | Stskeeps | ponders idly how the SmartQ slipped past customs |
| 09:26.30 | RST38h | Are you talking erotics in Disney animated movies or what? |
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| 09:26.39 | Stskeeps | RST38h: welcome to the internet |
| 09:26.40 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:26.52 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: threats from the triad |
| 09:27.40 | lcukx41 | Stskeeps: it arrived with you? |
| 09:27.44 | Stskeeps | lcukx41: yup. |
| 09:27.49 | Stskeeps | or at least my gf claims so |
| 09:28.00 | RST38h | FreeBSD 7.2 released. Coolness. |
| 09:28.13 | lcukx41 | nice |
| 09:29.02 | lcukx41 | is it omap3 or still omap2? |
| 09:29.13 | Stskeeps | it's a samsung chipset |
| 09:29.32 | Stskeeps | arm still though |
| 09:29.38 | lcukx41 | arm11 or more then? |
| 09:29.46 | Stskeeps | arm11 yea |
| 09:29.52 | Stskeeps | didn't see if it has vfp yet |
| 09:29.54 | RST38h | Sts: Is your customs policy the same as .RU? Can't bring anything in, can't send anything out? |
| 09:30.08 | Stskeeps | RST38h: well normally i get a nice VAT on top and such |
| 09:30.30 | RST38h | Sts: how much is VAT? |
| 09:30.43 | Stskeeps | RST38h: 25% + a silly customs fee |
| 09:30.50 | RST38h | Oh |
| 09:31.09 | lcukx41 | Stskeeps: 25% of what tho |
| 09:31.16 | Stskeeps | of the value.. :P |
| 09:31.27 | aquatix | of the `$60' note on the box ;) |
| 09:31.29 | lcukx41 | but if its not for sale its priceless |
| 09:31.39 | RST38h | Sts: I hope they do not include express service (FedEx,UPS,etc) costs into taxable amount like Russians do though =) |
| 09:32.16 | lcukx41 | lol aquatix thats sorta what im thinking, or the variation where you send an empty box marked up in millions of ⬠:D |
| 09:32.21 | RST38h | lcukx41: then they keep it for themselves until you come up with 25% of infinity =) |
| 09:33.22 | aquatix | Stskeeps: i read at http://www.umpcfever.com/news/?postid=2225 that the SmartQ is a tad slow |
| 09:33.40 | Stskeeps | sure, but imagine Mer on it? |
| 09:33.47 | aquatix | hm :) |
| 09:33.58 | aquatix | good point |
| 09:34.04 | Stskeeps | and 1gb internal flash |
| 09:34.14 | Stskeeps | (i actually have it suspected of being an 1gb internal mmc.) |
| 09:34.45 | aquatix | well, knowing samsung it might be regular internal flash |
| 09:34.55 | aquatix | but maybe speaking mmc/sd indeed |
| 09:35.24 | Stskeeps | i'll see when i get it bootin' |
| 09:35.29 | Stskeeps | i checked out their fw the other day |
| 09:35.48 | aquatix | heh, it has blueman by default |
| 09:36.00 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 09:36.08 | Stskeeps | that was actually what inspired me to try out blueman for tablets |
| 09:36.08 | aquatix | software looks rather ok |
| 09:36.16 | Stskeeps | it's LXDE afaik |
| 09:36.20 | aquatix | yeah, blueman is damn nice |
| 09:36.24 | aquatix | use it on my laptops too |
| 09:36.37 | aquatix | or regular xfce maybe? |
| 09:36.49 | aquatix | or maybe not |
| 09:37.02 | Stskeeps | it's basically ubuntu/mojo hasty |
| 09:37.06 | Stskeeps | (8.04) |
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| 09:38.16 | aquatix | wow 2000mAh battery |
| 09:38.16 | aquatix | and about the same size screen as the n8x0 right? |
| 09:38.27 | Stskeeps | think so |
| 09:38.38 | Stskeeps | yeah.. and they claim it can drive a EDGE modem too (3g?) |
| 09:38.39 | aquatix | 4.3" if i read well |
| 09:38.47 | aquatix | edge is gprs++ |
| 09:38.50 | aquatix | 2.5G |
| 09:38.57 | Stskeeps | i'm really looking forward to go home and play with it :p |
| 09:39.01 | aquatix | :) |
| 09:41.47 | lcukx41 | im so impressed with the n810 battery now - and powersaving on the proper wifi is really cool |
| 09:41.58 | Stskeeps | better than adhoc, eh? ;) |
| 09:42.19 | aquatix | lcukx41: what did you change then? |
| 09:42.53 | lcukx41 | i finally got a router :) |
| 09:43.24 | lcukx41 | but before then i didnt even consider it - i thought it was fine before, now its super smart and i dont have to remember to dc |
| 09:43.37 | lcukx41 | yeah sts :) |
| 09:43.42 | aquatix | :) |
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| 09:44.47 | GAN800 | lcukx41, just so you know, I'm going to have to hit you at the Summit. :P |
| 09:45.15 | lcukx41 | no u arent, i cant defend myself |
| 09:45.24 | lcukx41 | waves his ET finger at you |
| 09:45.44 | GAN800 | Or maybe shut your other finger in a door. :P |
| 09:46.15 | lcukx41 | we need plenty of beer at the summit :) |
| 09:46.55 | lcukx41 | has to have evil nurses changing bandages later |
| 09:47.11 | lcukx41 | i used to look up to nurses, but they are sadists |
| 09:48.14 | GAN800 | looks at bergie's blank email in Modest. <_< |
| 09:48.30 | bergie | GAN800: what email? |
| 09:48.40 | GAN800 | Sprint scheduling |
| 09:48.54 | GAN800 | tries hitting Modest with a stick to no effect. |
| 09:49.01 | bergie | ah, Modest probably didn't like the GPG signature |
| 09:50.10 | bergie | GAN800: http://maemo.org/community/maemo-community/read/fbd4d782387b11de9bb2094ed741c926c926/ |
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| 09:54.54 | murrayc | lcukx41: Was that some new door handle button thing? Maybe I've just been lucky. |
| 09:55.22 | GAN800 | Modest doesn't like sending and receiving email as far as I can tell. ;) |
| 09:55.59 | lcukx41 | murrayc: i dunno, from what i have heard the doors that i got caught on are open by default and arent usually closed |
| 09:56.06 | murrayc | lcukx41: Ah. |
| 09:56.38 | murrayc | lcukx41: Life keeps offering new evidence that "The Design Of Everyday Things" has a point about doors being hard to open due to thoughtless designers. |
| 09:57.07 | GAN800 | bergie, who wants to re-triage Hirvinen's bugs? Alternatively: who do you want ME to reassign them to? ;) |
| 09:57.18 | bergie | GAN800: we'll do that |
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| 09:58.01 | lcukx41 | indeed murrayc, where i sit in my dayjob i get to overlook a bank, and they just added a new dimension to getting in |
| 09:58.10 | lcukx41 | you have to press a button to unlock the door and open it |
| 09:58.31 | lcukx41 | i watch people every day try to push and force and some give up without finding the butotn |
| 09:58.50 | murrayc | lcukx41: That's customer lock-in. |
| 09:58.54 | lcukx41 | lockout |
| 09:59.04 | lcukx41 | from the inside you just pull |
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| 09:59.25 | qwerty12 | lcukx41: at our nationwide branch here, we have to press a button to get out |
| 10:00.03 | lcukx41 | maybe it is the same then o_O |
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| 10:00.46 | lcukx41 | i want startreks doors everywhere :D |
| 10:01.10 | andrade | hi, anyone could help me to properly install qt on scratchbox? I got qmake: error while loading shared libraries: libgcc_s.so.1 when executing qmake -project |
| 10:01.31 | andrade | ah... greetings from Brazil :) |
| 10:02.48 | lcukx41 | im just wondering whether i need to file a bugtracker report about the incident |
| 10:05.14 | RST38h | lcuk: they filter the most stupid clients out this way |
| 10:05.34 | RST38h | saves them a fortune on productivity |
| 10:06.20 | lcukx41 | booo |
| 10:06.26 | lcukx41 | or should i say mooo |
| 10:07.41 | RST38h | HELO lcukx41 |
| 10:08.28 | thux | ehlo |
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| 10:11.22 | lcukx41 | did anyone watch the finalle of heroes |
| 10:11.36 | lcukx41 | (series) |
| 10:14.01 | GeneralAntilles | lol Heroes |
| 10:14.26 | timeless_mbp | starves |
| 10:14.52 | lcukx41 | GeneralAntilles: was good, what are you watching at the mo |
| 10:15.30 | Stskeeps | lcukx41: i'm so behind after i sat down in an episode and thought it was so incredibly badly written :P |
| 10:15.37 | Stskeeps | will catch up sometime :P |
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| 10:17.13 | lcukx41 | lol Stskeeps it went through a period of crapola, but this series was much better |
| 10:18.26 | GeneralAntilles | lcukx41, depressingly enough the last thing I watched (at the insistence of a friend, and it actually turned out to be really excellent--for a kid's show, anyway ;)) was Avatar. |
| 10:18.41 | GeneralAntilles | Through to completion, I should say. |
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| 10:19.31 | lcukx41 | havin the kids around i get to see the drivel thats on nowadays |
| 10:19.44 | lcukx41 | thankfully spongbob washes over you after a while |
| 10:19.58 | Stskeeps | spongebob is awesome. :P |
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| 10:20.13 | lcukx41 | yes but in small doses |
| 10:20.21 | GeneralAntilles | lcukx41, there are a few gems every once and a while. |
| 10:20.36 | lcukx41 | of course, same as anywher |
| 10:20.53 | GeneralAntilles | I think I had a better-than-usual selection of children's programming when I was young, though. |
| 10:21.27 | lcukx41 | that was about 1/2 hour ago wasnt it? |
| 10:21.31 | GeneralAntilles | :P |
| 10:21.34 | lcukx41 | heh |
| 10:21.48 | GeneralAntilles | Judging by the fact that I just finished a Nickelodeon show, maybe. ;) |
| 10:21.51 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, ping? |
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| 10:24.06 | bergie | GeneralAntilles: I'm also looking for X-Fade :-) |
| 10:24.16 | bergie | we need to discuss brainstorm deployment |
| 10:24.56 | GeneralAntilles | bergie, poor bastard's probably still sleeping off the website deployment. :D |
| 10:25.06 | bergie | :-) |
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| 10:27.56 | bergie | GeneralAntilles: I just hope he wakes up before the meeting tomorrow so we can still launch it |
| 10:28.35 | GeneralAntilles | I wonder if the Nokia DNS people ever added t.m.o |
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| 10:36.13 | lcukx41 | mornin mgedmin o/' thanks for your comments |
| 10:36.23 | mgedmin | hi, lcukx41 |
| 10:36.32 | mgedmin | from your nickname I assume you've got yourself a nice thinkpad? |
| 10:37.33 | lcukx41 | i got this at christmas, i just dont usually sit in bed |
| 10:37.59 | GeneralAntilles | bergie, oh, right, X-Fade's on the town in Amsterdam with Quim and Kees today. |
| 10:38.06 | bergie | aha, ok |
| 10:38.18 | bergie | well, then we'll try to do the deployment tomorrow before the meeting |
| 10:38.44 | GeneralAntilles | gets out of bed. |
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| 10:43.30 | lcukx41 | mgedmin: its the first laptop i can actually call a laptop, all others have been frankenmachines with dead batteries of knackered whatever bits, this one just works most of the time |
| 10:44.03 | mgedmin | thinkpads are nice |
| 10:44.16 | lcukx41 | ubuntu on the whole works with it |
| 10:44.33 | mgedmin | ubuntu is getting nicer and nicer (but still buggy) |
| 10:45.02 | lcukx41 | dont mind buggy, its the direction its going, for a desktop os its satisfactory |
| 10:45.16 | mgedmin | most satisfactory |
| 10:45.29 | lcukx41 | cant use the touchscreen with it too well tho, its too routed in mousing paradigm to be comfortable |
| 10:45.32 | lbt | how does maemo mapper talk to a BT gps ? anyone know? |
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| 10:45.55 | mgedmin | lbt: there's this maemo platform library for communicating with gpses, I believe |
| 10:46.00 | lcukx41 | lbt, it opens a socket doesnt it |
| 10:46.37 | lbt | ugh, it uses the nokia lib to talk over BT to a 3rd party GPS? |
| 10:46.47 | mgedmin | maybe |
| 10:47.11 | Stskeeps | libgpsbt? :P |
| 10:47.17 | mgedmin | I mean, there's this feature where you can choose "bluetooth" and leave the bt address empty and get it to talk to the n810's internal gps |
| 10:47.20 | lbt | gets the source |
| 10:47.31 | Stskeeps | closed source afaik |
| 10:47.31 | mgedmin | which makes me think it's using the library instead of opening an RFCOMM socket |
| 10:47.36 | mgedmin | maemo mapper is GPL |
| 10:47.41 | mgedmin | libgpsbt is not |
| 10:47.48 | lbt | yep... |
| 10:47.53 | lbt | thinks of Mer |
| 10:48.05 | lbt | and losing MM :( |
| 10:48.11 | mgedmin | ah |
| 10:48.12 | Stskeeps | lbt: we have maemo-mapper ported already |
| 10:48.16 | Stskeeps | i disabled the GPS :P |
| 10:48.23 | mgedmin | ouch |
| 10:48.29 | lbt | yeah, great :{ |
| 10:48.30 | Stskeeps | (yes, i know) |
| 10:48.32 | mgedmin | actually, not ouch |
| 10:48.38 | lbt | looks at gpsd |
| 10:48.45 | lcukx41 | got banned from google maps the other day :$ |
| 10:48.48 | mgedmin | I use maemo mapper more often as a map application, the n810's gps sucks |
| 10:49.00 | lbt | has an N800 and a good BT gps |
| 10:49.11 | Stskeeps | should start preparing cph meet presentation and such |
| 10:49.13 | lbt | and open streetmap.... |
| 10:49.17 | lcukx41 | navigates by the stars |
| 10:49.18 | RST38h | it is ok once locked |
| 10:49.36 | RST38h | lcuk: in your sparkling spaceship, ET? =) |
| 10:49.37 | lbt | Stskeeps: me too - we need to agree a split |
| 10:49.48 | lbt | that's why I wanted your likes/dislikes |
| 10:49.53 | lcukx41 | this finger IS like et |
| 10:50.03 | lcukx41 | finds the picture |
| 10:51.08 | lbt | Stskeeps: can I move MM to Extras |
| 10:51.29 | lbt | goes to #mer |
| 10:52.13 | lcukx41 | http://liqbase.net/finger_macro.jpg (warning shows wounded hand with stitches removed) |
| 10:53.30 | Stskeeps | lbt: go ahead |
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| 11:06.15 | pupnik_ | lcuk wins for hand damage |
| 11:06.35 | pupnik_ | mine's more artistic tho |
| 11:07.18 | lcuk | yeah, you broke windows with yours tho, you should install linux |
| 11:07.44 | robtaylor | lcuk: ouch! |
| 11:08.10 | lcuk | indeed rob |
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| 11:08.28 | lcuk | you can try other swear words as well - i know i did |
| 11:08.33 | robtaylor | hah |
| 11:08.38 | robtaylor | lcuk: how did you manage that? |
| 11:08.54 | lcuk | full rundown http://slashdot.org/~LiquidCoooled/journal/229097 |
| 11:09.17 | lcuk | i had answered the same thing and same questions afterwards so thought i would put it in one place ;) |
| 11:10.42 | pupnik_ | your description is vague on the actual cause of glass breakage though |
| 11:10.46 | pupnik_ | at least i couldn't understand it |
| 11:10.53 | lcuk | no glass breakage |
| 11:10.59 | Stskeeps | just an evil automatic door |
| 11:11.11 | pupnik_ | OW |
| 11:11.35 | lcuk | my finger was inside the handle - my hand was trapped between the handle and the fixed pole in the centre of the doors (double doors) |
| 11:11.36 | Stskeeps | lcuk: at least in denmark it would be almost obligatory for the company to fix the issue, as it would be a work environment violation |
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| 11:13.00 | robtaylor | lcuk: impressively done ;) |
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| 11:23.38 | liri | is sad |
| 11:24.00 | Stskeeps | dead tablet? |
| 11:24.01 | liri | my n810 is sitting like a brick on my drawer for a couple of months now |
| 11:24.39 | Stskeeps | heh - i see my n8x0 as a multipurpose device |
| 11:24.45 | Stskeeps | i can always find some kind of purpose for it :) |
| 11:24.56 | liri | I recently upgraded all packages including the media player (forgot it's name) and it stopped playing files |
| 11:25.02 | liri | Stskeeps: share with me. |
| 11:25.19 | liri | Stskeeps: I tried using it on the go as well but it gets cumbersome |
| 11:25.34 | Stskeeps | well, my LCD on my n8x0 is scrolling insanely. low power wireless server, with mer / debian on top |
| 11:25.53 | liri | no easy PIM, GPS takes up to 3-4 minutes to get a lock/signal, browser isn't loading websites too fast |
| 11:26.06 | Stskeeps | did you try Tear yet? |
| 11:26.09 | liri | what do you mean scorlling insanely? |
| 11:26.09 | Stskeeps | you owe yourself that |
| 11:26.18 | Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcm5TYGwTwU |
| 11:26.38 | liri | I've been out of the community for months now cause I've been busy as well so I'm a bit off about the new stuff |
| 11:26.53 | Stskeeps | GPS i can't help with beyond AGPS |
| 11:26.55 | Stskeeps | PIM .. yeah |
| 11:27.05 | liri | no solution yet for pim right? |
| 11:27.27 | RST38h | not much new |
| 11:27.31 | RST38h | don't worry |
| 11:27.47 | RST38h | the new maemo.org website is up and the itt has been moved there |
| 11:28.06 | Stskeeps | and everyone is exploding with orgasmic conspiracies, heh |
| 11:28.18 | Stskeeps | at least the content is starting to be > the noise |
| 11:28.20 | liri | heh |
| 11:28.21 | RST38h | there is a Finnish company that released a semicommercial web browser for the tablet but it does not work wwell enough yet |
| 11:28.28 | RST38h | their youtube app works fine though |
| 11:28.29 | lcuk | i still think Stskeeps is writing a book reader |
| 11:28.42 | woglinde | hi |
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| 11:28.50 | lcuk | hiya woglinde \o |
| 11:28.59 | liri | Stskeeps: I don't get that video. that's just the screen going rotation all the time? |
| 11:29.01 | woglinde | the PIM theme again *g* |
| 11:29.10 | Stskeeps | liri: yes, and unstoppable :P |
| 11:29.18 | Stskeeps | it's might hard to use it |
| 11:29.33 | Stskeeps | +y |
| 11:29.34 | liri | Stskeeps: lol, that's just fun |
| 11:29.35 | woglinde | hm is there no qt pim stuff |
| 11:29.40 | RST38h | liri: his Blizzard chip is somehow broken, that is all |
| 11:29.52 | Stskeeps | rest of tablet is fine though |
| 11:30.42 | liri | Stskeeps: what are your uses for it? |
| 11:30.52 | lcuk | hack the x11 driver to adjust the y offset - you never know, your tablet might be the only one that tears when showing a static screen but is flawless when in motion ;) |
| 11:31.08 | Stskeeps | liri: well i got a new n800 donated, which i use for developing mer and as my day to day device |
| 11:31.13 | Stskeeps | the old one i have to start using in some way |
| 11:31.16 | Stskeeps | ah. |
| 11:31.17 | Stskeeps | now i know. |
| 11:31.19 | Stskeeps | torrents. |
| 11:31.46 | liri | mer is the new version call sign yes? |
| 11:31.53 | Stskeeps | nah, fremantle is maemo 5.0 |
| 11:32.00 | Stskeeps | mer is the community backport / maemo reconstructed |
| 11:32.03 | Stskeeps | wiki.maemo.org/Mer |
| 11:32.10 | lcuk | vanishes for pills |
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| 11:32.59 | liri | how is debian running on it? is it slow? |
| 11:33.12 | Stskeeps | well, Mer is basically Maemo UI but based on top of ubuntu |
| 11:33.24 | woglinde | bye lcuk |
| 11:33.26 | Stskeeps | which works quite nicely |
| 11:34.07 | liri | so it's essentially ubuntu |
| 11:34.08 | *** part/#maemo jegp (n=jegp@190.2.193.222) |
| 11:34.21 | Stskeeps | yeah, but more optimized towards mobile usage |
| 11:34.31 | Stskeeps | it power saves in similar ways to maemo |
| 11:34.34 | AStorm | Stskeeps, meh |
| 11:34.40 | liri | what are the benefits of that upon the maemo os? |
| 11:34.42 | AStorm | my bluetooth fails in Mer |
| 11:34.48 | Stskeeps | AStorm: hmm |
| 11:34.57 | Stskeeps | liri: easier to get any app you might want or libraries :) |
| 11:34.58 | AStorm | it binds fine |
| 11:35.03 | AStorm | but cannot connect to dial-up port |
| 11:35.13 | AStorm | (can to the serial, can transfer files) |
| 11:35.17 | AStorm | so it's some funky failure |
| 11:35.20 | liri | Stskeeps: cause it uses ubuntu's repos? |
| 11:35.24 | Stskeeps | liri: correct. :) |
| 11:35.28 | AStorm | might be blueman suckage |
| 11:35.38 | Stskeeps | AStorm: .xsession-errors might reveal some things |
| 11:35.50 | AStorm | I'll check that later, thanks |
| 11:35.52 | Stskeeps | liri: also we are working on making development a hell lot easier |
| 11:36.00 | Stskeeps | no scratchbox, for instance |
| 11:36.08 | AStorm | also, I need a new battery, this one is dead |
| 11:36.21 | AStorm | at least Mer's charge counter works correct |
| 11:36.54 | liri | Stskeeps: uhmm nice |
| 11:37.05 | Stskeeps | liri: and no busybox, etc |
| 11:37.25 | AStorm | Stskeeps, btw, I'll try direct rfcomm config - by hand |
| 11:37.36 | Stskeeps | k |
| 11:37.39 | Stskeeps | liri: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.12#Screenshots |
| 11:37.41 | AStorm | did that before - if that works, the failure is due to blueman |
| 11:37.55 | Stskeeps | or NetworkManager :P |
| 11:38.11 | AStorm | yep |
| 11:38.20 | AStorm | though i could add the connection in nm |
| 11:38.37 | AStorm | (but the bt device didn't connect) |
| 11:39.55 | liri | Stskeeps: it looks pretty slick, nice work |
| 11:40.05 | liri | Stskeeps: I would guess that it isn't exactly 'production-ready' though? |
| 11:40.08 | AStorm | ah btw |
| 11:40.15 | AStorm | the blueman .desktop file is broken |
| 11:40.25 | Stskeeps | liri: correct, 20% answered it was day to day usable |
| 11:40.28 | AStorm | and Mer's "tray" is limited to 4 items |
| 11:40.30 | Stskeeps | but we have a lot of things working still |
| 11:40.46 | AStorm | need a way to resize it and a button to "show more items" like in Maemo |
| 11:40.46 | Stskeeps | AStorm: make a huge .txt with the bugs and i'll gladly add them administratively :P |
| 11:40.50 | Stskeeps | and yes |
| 11:40.52 | AStorm | yeah |
| 11:41.08 | liri | it's cool though |
| 11:41.19 | Stskeeps | liri: but we have wifi power saving working, etc |
| 11:41.22 | Stskeeps | so we're getting closer |
| 11:41.35 | liri | this way you get a full blown linux distro with the comfortable mobile UI |
| 11:41.39 | AStorm | and your pidgin version is not hildonized |
| 11:41.47 | Stskeeps | AStorm: we have a pidgin version? |
| 11:41.49 | AStorm | add the one from Maemo repos, which is |
| 11:41.51 | AStorm | :) |
| 11:41.54 | Stskeeps | must be the ubuntu one |
| 11:41.56 | liri | heh |
| 11:41.59 | AStorm | no, you don't. exactly |
| 11:42.08 | Stskeeps | liri: also we target towards making normal apps act well in maemo ui too :P |
| 11:42.31 | liri | that's a blessing |
| 11:42.32 | AStorm | I also recommend switching off static dialogs in matchbox for now |
| 11:42.45 | AStorm | (switch to free) |
| 11:42.50 | liri | though I'd be sticking with maemo os until that happens, and who knows when is that :) |
| 11:42.57 | Stskeeps | liri: *nod* |
| 11:42.58 | AStorm | and disable super_modal |
| 11:43.21 | liri | to be honest I thought alot about flash games in the tablet but I found out that they run insanely slow which is in contrary to what I thought at first |
| 11:43.32 | AStorm | it's a workaround though - to work with that, need to extend the "task buttons" to show all the dialogs too |
| 11:43.35 | liri | I figured that this happens because the cpu still can't handle all that math |
| 11:44.19 | Stskeeps | AStorm: i agree with all your observations, but i need them in list form :) |
| 11:44.19 | GAN800 | liri, the Flash plugin is really badly put together. |
| 11:44.30 | RST38h | AStorm: Want a riddle? |
| 11:44.36 | AStorm | Stskeeps, later today - have to jump on labs |
| 11:44.39 | liri | GAN800: you mean the flash plugin for the browser? |
| 11:44.40 | AStorm | or rather, run |
| 11:44.42 | ShadowJK_ | LiraNuna, I have 24hour clock... maybe because I set country to Finland? |
| 11:44.45 | GAN800 | liri, yes. |
| 11:44.47 | AStorm | bbl |
| 11:44.51 | liri | GAN800: ahh |
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| 11:45.08 | GAN800 | liri, Flash on the Linux is terrible, Flash on Linux ARM is worse. |
| 11:45.17 | liri | GAN800: well there's no other alternative. I tried playing the flash file in the media player (that default one) which it plays it but it's even worse than on the browser |
| 11:45.27 | liri | GAN800: heh, nice |
| 11:45.29 | RST38h | knows why Flash is slow on the tablets. It is NOT because of the math too |
| 11:45.42 | RST38h | The reason is way funnier |
| 11:46.00 | aquatix | oh? |
| 11:46.07 | liri | how come then RST38h? |
| 11:46.16 | RST38h | It performs busy loops on gettimeofday(). |
| 11:46.34 | aquatix | eh |
| 11:46.41 | RST38h | The way to improve it is patch gettimeofday() to provide it with a "local" copy of the time |
| 11:47.03 | RST38h | There is a patch available too, made for different purposes on RedHat. |
| 11:47.09 | Stskeeps | hmm |
| 11:47.13 | Stskeeps | RST38h: maybe that can be LD_PRELOADed |
| 11:47.20 | RST38h | Yea, exactly |
| 11:47.33 | RST38h | I will try locating the patch if one of you agrees to try it on NIT |
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| 11:47.47 | liri | RST38h: I'll do it happily |
| 11:48.06 | RST38h | Ok, let me see if I can locate it |
| 11:49.57 | RST38h | Here is an x86 specific patch: http://lwn.net/Articles/9266/ |
| 11:50.11 | RST38h | It uses TSC unfortunately, so will need modifications |
| 11:50.58 | woglinde | lol |
| 11:51.08 | Stskeeps | RST38h: gladly taking kernel patch for Mer kernels :P |
| 11:51.12 | Stskeeps | (works for maemo too) |
| 11:51.26 | RST38h | would rather have this stuff in maemo though =( |
| 11:51.46 | Stskeeps | yeah, our kernels work for maemo too :P RDNIS patch is -wonderful- |
| 11:51.52 | RST38h | But let me see if there is an arch-agnostic patch available |
| 11:52.33 | woglinde | rst the patch is for 2.4 kernels |
| 11:53.03 | liri | my maemo kernel is running version 4.8 |
| 11:53.17 | liri | flew 2 decades to the future to get it! |
| 11:53.22 | RST38h | woglinde: as it uses TSC you will have to rewrite it anyway, so it does nto matter |
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| 11:55.25 | AFB|Work | no wonder I can' get on at work I'm on at home lol |
| 11:55.38 | Stskeeps | hehe |
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| 11:57.13 | AFB|Work | If I want to file a feature request to make avatars bigger again on talk.mameo.org do I just file it like a bug? |
| 11:57.23 | Stskeeps | yeah, think so |
| 11:57.45 | RST38h | files a bug to remove the avatars |
| 11:57.58 | woglinde | rst *g* |
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| 11:59.33 | AFB|Work | files a bug to delete RST38h's bug |
| 11:59.57 | murrayc | andre__: Can you confirm https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4439 ? I am very suprised so I still wonder if it's just me. |
| 12:00.25 | andre__ | murrayc, Lucas already confirmed it |
| 12:01.02 | murrayc | andre__: Yeah, but I still wonder. |
| 12:01.11 | RST38h | FOUND IT |
| 12:01.18 | RST38h | liri,Stskeeps,woglinde: https://www.redhatrenewals.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_MRG/1.0/html/Realtime_Tuning_Guide/sect-Realtime_Tuning_Guide-General_System_Tuning-gettimeofday_speedup.html |
| 12:01.44 | RST38h | i.e. RedHat has it in the kernel |
| 12:01.46 | andre__ | from past experiences i trust lucas |
| 12:01.59 | murrayc | ok |
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| 12:02.25 | woglinde | rst so its only a echo? |
| 12:03.33 | woglinde | an echo |
| 12:03.38 | RST38h | woglinde: it is an echo if you have a RedHat Linux Enterprise Edition |
| 12:03.41 | GeneralAntilles | AFB|Work, under Newstyle, please |
| 12:03.46 | lbt | is breaking in a new coffee cup |
| 12:03.49 | RST38h | woglinde: otherwise it is fsck fsck fsck fsck |
| 12:03.53 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, you do realize that's a setting, right? |
| 12:04.17 | RST38h | General: It is a setting that enables this feature in the RedHat Linux kernel / glibc |
| 12:04.29 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, avatars on itT. . . . . . . |
| 12:04.45 | RST38h | General: For Maemo, someone will have to go into the kernel code and port the changes |
| 12:04.50 | RST38h | General: Ah, that... |
| 12:05.19 | RST38h | General: I have pretty much abandoned any hopes that you guys will change ITT layout |
| 12:05.40 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, good for you. |
| 12:05.43 | RST38h | General: Or implement a choice of color schemes for those who really need it (I do not) |
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| 12:06.30 | RST38h | General: My current plan is to personally petition Reggie into readding the mobile scheme again and use that |
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| 12:07.51 | RST38h | General: Whatever visual silliness you wreak on that poor forum site, I no longer care |
| 12:08.06 | ShadowJK_ | hm, are they selling that smartq5 thing to europe/us anywhere? |
| 12:08.13 | GeneralAntilles | Woo then we're agreed! |
| 12:08.36 | RST38h | General: Mmm...I, would not go THAT far with conclusions :) |
| 12:09.04 | GeneralAntilles | I don't care, you don't care. |
| 12:09.06 | GeneralAntilles | Sure sounds like it. |
| 12:09.42 | RST38h | General: Basically, my current take is that the current Maemo.org design has been discussed among a really small group of people who are currently closed to taking any external suggestions seriously |
| 12:11.05 | RST38h | General: I do think it is bad, but there does not seem to be a way to convey this to the above group. |
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| 12:13.39 | woglinde | rst where did you find the gettimeofday is the sucker? |
| 12:13.40 | StsN800 | RST38h, though, there's been countless open meetings and ml discussions |
| 12:14.34 | AFB|Work | GeneralAntilles: opps I filed it under TALK |
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| 12:20.14 | RST38h | Sts: Yea, but the same people were present |
| 12:20.37 | RST38h | Sts: I tried participating a few times, but it did not look like anybody listened |
| 12:21.22 | RST38h | woglinde: use strace on MicroB |
| 12:21.22 | woglinde | rst there is no vdso support for arm |
| 12:21.28 | woglinde | at all |
| 12:21.36 | woglinde | and the vdso stuff is in for all kernels |
| 12:21.39 | RST38h | wogline: open a page with a few youtube videos and watch strace go bonkers =) |
| 12:21.56 | woglinde | http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-2.6.29.y.git;a=blob;f=arch/x86/vdso/vclock_gettime.c;h=d9d35824c56f30e56266445cdf9ed5877f94bf52;hb=HEAD |
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| 12:22.08 | RST38h | woglinde: Well, as I said before, it is not simple patch application, some real work has to be done |
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| 12:22.26 | StsN800 | oh dear god |
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| 12:22.46 | StsN800 | star trek + nokia commercials in .dk |
| 12:23.00 | RST38h | Sts: Ok, who has got the Nokia handset? =) |
| 12:23.05 | StsN800 | i wonder when lcars tablet shows up |
| 12:23.54 | StsN800 | RST38h, in a bus atm so saw it briefly |
| 12:24.38 | RST38h | wonders what would happen if the new StarTrek movie had all the crew members use N97 instead of traditional tricorders |
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| 12:24.56 | lbt | they wouldn't get a signal |
| 12:25.04 | lbt | Kirk would die |
| 12:25.06 | RST38h | hehe |
| 12:25.07 | StsN800 | j j abrams gone insane? |
| 12:25.07 | lbt | bad idea |
| 12:25.12 | RST38h | Kirk can't die. |
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| 12:25.49 | RST38h | He is like Achilles, there is just one combination of events that makes him die |
| 12:26.20 | lbt | DCMA ? |
| 12:26.30 | lbt | takedown Kirk!!! |
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| 12:26.48 | lbt | ulitmate weapon? |
| 12:28.00 | RST38h | Only if that combination of events gets 0 probability =) |
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| 12:28.41 | AFB|Work | What do you guys think would be better for minimalist theme a row or two of links that at top of everypage, or a drop down box full of links that will take up almost as much space? |
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| 12:29.54 | RST38h | AFB: One thin menu at the top |
| 12:30.08 | RST38h | AFB: Windows style. |
| 12:30.27 | RST38h | i.e. not the menu but a menu bar, sorry |
| 12:30.37 | AFB|Work | you saying a set of drop down boxes across the top |
| 12:30.44 | RST38h | no |
| 12:30.52 | RST38h | I am saying a menu bar, no drop down boxes |
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| 12:31.15 | RST38h | Drop down boxes = javascript = bad bad bad on an S60 phone |
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| 12:36.28 | AFB|Work | yeah I was trying to get away from the drop down box |
| 12:36.43 | AFB|Work | I'll just stick with the menus thing I'm working on now |
| 12:37.14 | RST38h | menus take vertical space and S60 phones have got 320x240 screens |
| 12:37.48 | RST38h | (and there is no mobile theme any more, so your minimalistic one is all we have got) |
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| 12:42.19 | RST38h | woglinde: btw, the alternative way would be exposing kernel time via mmap() |
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| 12:43.16 | RST38h | woglinde: i.e. you open and mmap some device (/dev/rtc ?) and make gettimeofday() read directly from mmap()ped page |
| 12:43.43 | woglinde | rst yes |
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| 12:47.27 | ShadowJK | opera mini is also a bit cumbersome with drop down boxes :) |
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| 12:50.35 | fred23 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:57.35 | lbt | fred23: sorry not me |
| 12:57.46 | fred23 | lbt: np |
| 12:57.49 | lbt | OTOH... |
| 12:57.51 | timeless_mbp | fred23: have you filed a bug w/ the private bug tracker? |
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| 12:58.01 | lbt | do you know where the maemo source for fennec lives? |
| 12:58.13 | timeless_mbp | lbl: they're in hg |
| 12:58.28 | timeless_mbp | the instructions are on wiki.mozilla.org iirc if you really want to pull and build |
| 12:58.37 | lbt | .dsc ? |
| 12:58.41 | timeless_mbp | no. |
| 12:58.48 | lbt | :( |
| 12:58.54 | timeless_mbp | we aren't talking about packages, we're talking about live projects :) |
| 12:58.55 | fred23 | timeless_mbp : it's not a bug per se... I wanted to talk to someone closer to the code to discuss some improvements I had in mind... |
| 12:59.15 | lbt | yeah - agile.... package as you go |
| 12:59.24 | timeless_mbp | agile: don't package at all |
| 12:59.30 | timeless_mbp | just build continuously |
| 12:59.37 | lbt | thinks you're thinking of Gentoo |
| 12:59.37 | timeless_mbp | fred23: if you're associated w/ mozilla, you should have access to the private bug database |
| 12:59.56 | timeless_mbp | fred23: and you should be using it |
| 13:00.17 | timeless_mbp | file a bug and stick something in it, have someone cc me, i'll connect the bug to an engineer if i can |
| 13:00.18 | lbt | it's a shame ... if there was a .dsc I could have it building on OBS For Mer in a few minutes |
| 13:00.31 | timeless_mbp | lbt: and how would that help anyone? |
| 13:00.56 | lbt | Oh, like there are never inter-OS issues or packaging problems |
| 13:01.03 | fred23 | yeah, but I don't like filing bugs before knowing a minimum and talking with the concerned guys... that might be an irrelevant issue. |
| 13:01.22 | timeless_mbp | fred23: i can't talk about this in the open, this channel is logged |
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| 13:01.39 | fred23 | np |
| 13:01.44 | timeless_mbp | if you don't have a way of reaching the people you need directly, then use the bug database |
| 13:01.51 | fred23 | I'll do |
| 13:01.53 | timeless_mbp | don't worry about bug count or quality, we have many and none |
| 13:02.06 | timeless_mbp | think about it more as a logged secure email |
| 13:02.19 | timeless_mbp | with safe ways to cc people into a conversation later w/o them losing context |
| 13:03.04 | fred23 | timeless_mbp: cool. thanx |
| 13:03.43 | lbt | so timeless_mbp, there's really nothing done on packaging it? |
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| 13:04.30 | timeless_mbp | lbt: there are .deb's and things |
| 13:04.38 | lbt | OK... |
| 13:04.38 | timeless_mbp | but it's totally irrelevant to our needs as developers |
| 13:04.46 | timeless_mbp | and you're asking a pair of mozilla devs |
| 13:04.53 | timeless_mbp | which is ... |
| 13:04.59 | timeless_mbp | goes off searching for analogies |
| 13:05.29 | thux | .fi spam coming sorry, perustettiin Meizirkkin kanssa suomi kanava #nettilaudat tervetuloa local channel for tablets |
| 13:05.33 | timeless_mbp | like asking a pair of field workers about the recipe for soup |
| 13:05.37 | lbt | yeah, I know... |
| 13:06.11 | lbt | thanks for the help though |
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| 13:07.50 | timeless_mbp | seriously though, there are debs in the repository for mozilla |
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| 13:09.51 | lbt | OK, I'm after a .dsc and a tar.gz to run on the Mer autobuilder (getting ready for the Danish weekend) |
| 13:10.07 | ShadowJK | repository for mozilla? |
| 13:10.19 | lbt | is googling |
| 13:11.18 | ShadowJK | there's some version of fennec in extras-devel atleast |
| 13:11.40 | Meiz_n810 | lbt get fennec sources from ubuntu-repo |
| 13:11.45 | Meiz_n810 | ubuntu has it |
| 13:11.47 | qwerty12 | That version was put there by X-Fade, it wasn't built with the autobuilder so it may not have source |
| 13:13.35 | lbt | ta - submitted to OBS |
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| 13:20.57 | RST38h | fred23: Sapwood sources are available AFAIK (at least I remember finding a bug there) |
| 13:21.15 | RST38h | fred23: So you can easily find what is causing problems |
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| 13:21.55 | fred23 | RST38h: what do you mean ?... I've got the sources and I've pinpointed the exact problem. I just wanted to discuss something with the theme guys before submitting hack ideas... |
| 13:22.04 | RST38h | fred23: Ah |
| 13:22.08 | fred23 | thanx anyways ;-) |
| 13:22.20 | RST38h | fred23: Submit a bug. It won't be fixed in the current OS2008. |
| 13:22.37 | fred23 | RST38h: you got it. |
| 13:23.00 | RST38h | fred23: It *may* be fixed in the upcoming OS on the upcoming device, if it still uses the same Sapwood and there is someone in Nokia who shows interest in your bug report. |
| 13:23.38 | fred23 | RST38h: ok, so no big expectations to have here, if I understand correctly.. |
| 13:27.12 | lopz | hi |
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| 13:53.05 | RST38h | fred23: Well, there are at least two things you can do, aside from filing the bug (which is also useful, whatever I said) |
| 13:53.22 | RST38h | fred23: One is submit your patch to Stskeeps here who will introduce it into MeR |
| 13:53.47 | RST38h | fred23: Another is to publish the patch and/or the .deb with the patched sapwood on ITT |
| 13:54.11 | RST38h | fred23: This will at least let people who are interested in a fix apply it to their current tablets |
| 13:54.31 | Stskeeps | RST38h: option three is simply to talk to herzi :) |
| 13:54.48 | RST38h | Stskeeps: no official updates to Diablo any more =( |
| 13:55.00 | Stskeeps | RST38h: sure, but that doesn't mean sapwood doesn't work for diablo :P |
| 13:55.03 | Stskeeps | and yes, file a bug |
| 13:55.06 | fred23 | Stskeeps: yeah, I tried to get to herzi, but I'm afraid here's rarely online. |
| 13:55.12 | Stskeeps | file a bug then |
| 13:55.32 | fred23 | Stskeeps: bug filed... np |
| 13:55.39 | fred23 | let's wait then... |
| 13:56.04 | fred23 | thank you all for this prompt support! |
| 13:56.12 | RST38h | sorry that we can't do more here |
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| 14:00.18 | RST38h | Hmm...N97 supposedly does not have OMAP3 |
| 14:01.31 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 14:01.43 | RST38h | 32GB internal flash though, oh yeah |
| 14:03.01 | lbt | Stskeeps can't fred23 also provide a patch for Mer? |
| 14:03.06 | Stskeeps | lbt: same code |
| 14:03.12 | jaska | reminds me, do sdhc cards beyong 16GB work on n810? |
| 14:03.37 | lbt | yes, except we have the ability to accept and try a patch 'easily' |
| 14:03.46 | lbt | in Devel:MC ? |
| 14:03.55 | Stskeeps | sure, but we can get that from the bug report :) |
| 14:03.58 | lbt | nb xulrunner is building |
| 14:04.15 | lbt | old Jaunty version |
| 14:04.21 | Stskeeps | k |
| 14:05.03 | GeneralAntilles | $700 for the N97 |
| 14:05.10 | GeneralAntilles | They've got to be kidding for an ARM11. |
| 14:05.23 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, 400MHz and change. |
| 14:05.45 | lbt | but it allows an easy setup of the osc armel chroot with all the builddeps |
| 14:05.47 | GeneralAntilles | jaska, cards up to 2TB will work fine. |
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| 14:05.52 | RST38h | has no problem with ARM11 (why they hide the exact manufacturer though?) but $700 is way too steep |
| 14:05.55 | jaska | oh |
| 14:06.13 | jaska | i just recall it officially being 8g max and 16g working |
| 14:06.20 | RST38h | It is just a phone, and not even the business E-series model |
| 14:06.58 | GeneralAntilles | jaska, 8GB is what was available to be certified with at the time the N810 was released. |
| 14:07.09 | lbt | anyhow, fred23, if you want to get your patch tried on Mer, give me a yell |
| 14:07.14 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I don't have a problem with ARM11, either, but not for $700. |
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| 14:07.28 | jaska | yeah, thats what i gather, googling around, thinking of upping my sd card from 4 to something |
| 14:07.31 | ShadowJK | Not that there's any big difference between E series and N series? |
| 14:07.32 | fred23 | lbt: I appreciate ! thanx |
| 14:07.42 | lbt | np |
| 14:08.10 | ShadowJK | Except N series has crippled/nonexistant VoIP and E-series has cumbersome media player, I guess.. |
| 14:09.50 | Robot101 | has always found the build quality and software stability better on E series |
| 14:10.00 | Robot101 | ie they don't feel like they're going to fall in 2 every time you open the phone |
| 14:10.06 | GeneralAntilles | Wish somebody would give me some input on the repository.maemo.org improvemnts. |
| 14:10.10 | Robot101 | and the e-mail app actually works. like, I can read and send email. |
| 14:11.09 | wazd | ponders why Reggie killed old iTT theme :( |
| 14:11.30 | ShadowJK | dunno, email has "just worked" for me ever since I got my first phone with email support |
| 14:11.38 | ShadowJK | Series 40 :) |
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| 14:12.12 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, it's not compatible with the new vBulletin |
| 14:12.14 | Robot101 | its been variously shit in most of the S60 phones I've had until E-series |
| 14:12.32 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: ah, damn( |
| 14:13.14 | GeneralAntilles | E71x, 5800, or wait for the Maemo phone. . . . |
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| 14:13.44 | ShadowJK | is pondering E71 vs E75 now :/ |
| 14:14.33 | GeneralAntilles | E75 seems extra expensive for little purpose. |
| 14:14.45 | GeneralAntilles | $200 just doesn't seem worth it. |
| 14:15.12 | ShadowJK | oh my memory had them down as similarily priced, or atleast I was assuming they'd be similar once E75 is out in volume |
| 14:15.34 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe, it's listed at around $550, now, though, right? |
| 14:15.35 | ShadowJK | ah right, 100E difference |
| 14:16.02 | ShadowJK | 340 for E71, 425 for E75 with dubious shipping dates all over |
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| 14:16.35 | Robot101 | has an E66 and is v. happy |
| 14:17.25 | ShadowJK | I know if I get an E66 I'll be sad if any operator decides to extend HSDPA coverage |
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| 14:18.58 | ShadowJK | hm, E71 is 389E on Nokia's online store and E75 is 499 |
| 14:19.29 | GeneralAntilles | E71 is about $320 USD here. |
| 14:19.34 | ShadowJK | Robot101, oh I was thinking of E63 |
| 14:21.50 | ShadowJK | hm, E66 does seem to have both 2100 and 900 band 3g and hsdpa, but no qwerty and costs more than E71? wtf? :) |
| 14:24.22 | suihkulokki | style costs :) |
| 14:26.11 | ShadowJK | how much would it cost to put modern hardware inside E70 formfactor :( |
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| 14:28.01 | RST38h | moo wazd |
| 14:28.27 | RST38h | Shadow: Will probably cost a few human sacrifices to the Tentacled One =) |
| 14:28.49 | inz | wazd has no easter eggs |
| 14:28.51 | lbt | RST38h: human? |
| 14:28.58 | wazd | RST38h: heya) |
| 14:29.06 | lbt | I have a cat here that keeps treading on my keyboard |
| 14:29.09 | lbt | will she do? |
| 14:29.14 | RST38h | lbt: What did you expect? A rabbit? |
| 14:29.17 | RST38h | lbt: No. |
| 14:29.22 | lbt | aw please |
| 14:29.27 | lbt | I'll put sauce on her |
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| 14:30.51 | RST38h | lbt: The Tentacled One liks brains! |
| 14:31.01 | lbt | oh, she's smart |
| 14:31.09 | lbt | and quite pudgy too |
| 14:31.36 | lbt | I've told her what's coming! |
| 14:31.39 | RST38h | No new E70 for you. |
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| 14:32.48 | wazd | RST38h: kids at Fruct were charmed with ATi :) |
| 14:34.00 | RST38h | wazd: Poor kids, they have nothing to learn programming on nowadays =) |
| 14:34.54 | wazd | I surrender, I can't use iTT anymore |
| 14:34.59 | Stskeeps | use minimal theme |
| 14:34.59 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 14:35.34 | RST38h | Sts: it has also got problems |
| 14:35.43 | RST38h | fewer, yes |
| 14:35.46 | wazd | Stskeeps: it doesn't show new messages |
| 14:35.57 | Stskeeps | "New posts" on rightmost |
| 14:35.59 | Stskeeps | and "Active topics" |
| 14:36.06 | Stskeeps | has new posts bookmarked. |
| 14:36.20 | RST38h | Sts: but it wastes so much space... |
| 14:36.28 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, what's the problem? |
| 14:36.41 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I filed a bug about that. |
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| 14:37.27 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: too much noise and no info arrange |
| 14:37.37 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, what does that means? |
| 14:37.43 | GeneralAntilles | There's less noise, as there are no ads anymore. |
| 14:38.12 | GeneralAntilles | There's actually less information overall on the page. |
| 14:38.15 | Stskeeps | huh. |
| 14:38.24 | Stskeeps | can it be a capactive screen when my nokia stylus works on it? |
| 14:38.35 | lcuk | it could be dual mode |
| 14:38.36 | RST38h | General: fixing it will require removal of the right column, but it is contrary to the maemo.org style =( |
| 14:38.39 | lcuk | but i doubt it |
| 14:38.53 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, for the topic list? Bull. |
| 14:39.22 | RST38h | General: it's 25% of the total width |
| 14:39.26 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, somebody lied? |
| 14:39.39 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: http://s54.radikal.ru/i145/0905/ae/14e4a8b99df3.png |
| 14:39.50 | RST38h | With no clear use (which is true for most of those columns) |
| 14:39.57 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: This theme should be called "Kill All Humans" you know |
| 14:40.23 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, I'm not sure what you're showing me. |
| 14:40.59 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: why the hell titles are orange? |
| 14:41.11 | RST38h | personally has no problem with the color |
| 14:41.23 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: why not black? |
| 14:41.32 | GeneralAntilles | Because that's what links are colored. |
| 14:41.33 | RST38h | But if everybody wishes, I can submit a bug tracker asking to provide a quick color scheme selection box |
| 14:41.44 | GeneralAntilles | Black makes it impossible to tell that it's a link. |
| 14:41.51 | RST38h | Shouldn't be difficult really |
| 14:42.05 | RST38h | General: Should I |
| 14:42.06 | RST38h | ? |
| 14:42.07 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: okay, what about block at the right |
| 14:42.13 | GeneralAntilles | Nobody's really fixated on orange, but no other viable link color have been proposed. |
| 14:42.21 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: it's black and it's a link |
| 14:42.24 | ShadowJK | Stskeeps, so it's really "capacitive" and not capacitive then ;-) |
| 14:42.35 | ShadowJK | I suspect the battery is "2400mAh" and not 2400 mAh too ;-) |
| 14:43.01 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: BTW there is a huge difference between link in a text and a Title |
| 14:43.25 | RST38h | General: Should I file bug tracker for Talk or for website in general? |
| 14:44.11 | GeneralAntilles | Links colors should go under Newstyle. |
| 14:44.22 | RST38h | Understood |
| 14:44.30 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: Anyway, I will not criticize new style anymore cause it's senseless |
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| 14:45.39 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, specific improvement suggestions are good. Generic "it sucks" are not. |
| 14:46.24 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: I've made a huge post bout specific improvements. Only one was actually made |
| 14:47.07 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: Headline links were added (which are black too btw) |
| 14:47.51 | RST38h | wazd, General: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4467 |
| 14:48.22 | RST38h | I hope the description is neutral enough and will satisfy both the web site maintainers and the ITT crowd |
| 14:49.03 | RST38h | Orange-on-gray will of course stay the default color, so the branding is retained |
| 14:49.43 | wazd | RST38h: I should have another account to confirm? |
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| 14:50.21 | RST38h | wazd: I think bugzilla accounts are separate from maemo ones |
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| 14:54.40 | wazd | RST38h: eeh... I had only "leave as unconfirmed" option |
| 14:55.14 | RST38h | wazd: oh you can't confirm it yourself |
| 14:55.25 | RST38h | wazd: But you can vote for it and if enough people vote it gets autoconfirmed |
| 14:55.49 | GeneralAntilles | Confirming isn't all that excitingly important here. |
| 14:56.42 | RST38h | wazd: Find "Vote for this bug" link, click on it and check it |
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| 16:54.51 | radic | I restored a backup, I hope it helps |
| 16:55.52 | radic | no, it didn't |
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| 19:20.33 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Wine helps at the in-laws' ;-) |
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| 19:35.41 | GAN800 | A 15" laptop really is a battleship. |
| 19:35.45 | reset | hello |
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| 19:36.08 | reset | anybody knows if exists a project for maemo running over nokia 5800?? |
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| 19:46.56 | RST38h | no |
| 19:47.52 | johnx | RST38h, the SmartQ 5 |
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| 19:50.32 | RST38h | johnx: I am hearing about SmartQ since Sts got his this morning. What exactly is the big deal? It looks like a generic Chinese PMP, is there something special about it? |
| 19:51.10 | johnx | RST38h, 1) it's cheap and commonly available in China 2) it's as open (maybe more open?) than the N8x0 devices were on launch |
| 19:51.19 | johnx | but the emphasis is on 1. It's actually a big deal over there |
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| 20:00.29 | RST38h | Hmm, interesting |
| 20:00.55 | RST38h | thought hundreds of PMPs are commonly available in China, a market in Taipei certainly made me believe that |
| 20:01.29 | johnx | RST38h, hundreds of open, linux-running PMPs with a company that's actually providing support and firmware updates? |
| 20:02.08 | johnx | honestly, I don't know why this is so big, but I think it struck the same chord with the Chinese Linux community as the N8x0 struck with the US/CA/EU Linux community |
| 20:02.35 | ShadowJK | Most of the "MP4" and "MP5" PMPs are rockchip based, this is arm-based.. :) |
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| 20:07.44 | RST38h | johnx: Interesting... |
| 20:08.20 | RST38h | johnx: I actually thought a lot of these devices were pretty open to begin with, but that is probably because I was looking from developer's point of view |
| 20:08.30 | RST38h | I mean, commercial developer |
| 20:09.03 | johnx | yeah, I think (at least some people) are actually getting tired of pirating crappy half-working programs and having no recourse |
| 20:10.00 | suihkulokki | It was curious to find out a mips-based linux laptop had open documentation |
| 20:10.05 | suihkulokki | ..but only in chinese |
| 20:10.26 | johnx | ah, that mips thing? I saw one of those at a little shop once :) |
| 20:10.28 | johnx | I think |
| 20:10.36 | ShadowJK | There are several :) |
| 20:10.50 | suihkulokki | several based on same design |
| 20:10.57 | johnx | it was like a MIPS, 64MB of RAM, Linux and a 480x320 7" screen. |
| 20:11.56 | ShadowJK | There's a family of them with MIPS, 512 - 2 gig of ram, 1024x600 9" too |
| 20:12.13 | johnx | that sounds much more worthwhile |
| 20:12.14 | ShadowJK | Lemote YeeLoong 8089, for example |
| 20:12.35 | johnx | the one I played with cost almost as much as the original eeePC, and was at almost the same weight... |
| 20:12.47 | RST38h | suihkulokki: Actually, I think I have English language documentation for it :) |
| 20:13.10 | RST38h | But not, I would not suggest a MIPS based laptop to anyone |
| 20:13.17 | ShadowJK | Only reason why you'd get it though is if you're a free (as in GNU) fanatic... it costs more than a low end EEE for similar performance and hungrier power consumption |
| 20:13.41 | ShadowJK | http://www.tekmote.nl/epages/61504599.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61504599/Products/CFL-002 |
| 20:13.41 | johnx | I highly doubt it's as fast as even the original eeePC... |
| 20:13.53 | ShadowJK | yeah it isn't |
| 20:13.59 | RST38h | MIPS devices are actually cheaper than ARM ones but, again, the architecture is mightily outdates |
| 20:14.05 | RST38h | outdated |
| 20:14.08 | ShadowJK | Stallman has that one as his primary computer :-) |
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| 20:14.23 | ShadowJK | (after olpc embraced windows) |
| 20:14.24 | johnx | heh, as long as it runs emacs, huh? |
| 20:14.44 | RST38h | Well, Stallman walks around the town with a kettle and a supermarket bag with tea packs |
| 20:14.54 | RST38h | (or so the legend says anyway) |
| 20:15.17 | ShadowJK | Yeah... and tinfoil |
| 20:15.19 | johnx | actually, that's kinda cool |
| 20:15.29 | johnx | 335EU is a little high though |
| 20:15.33 | ShadowJK | yeah |
| 20:15.45 | ShadowJK | It's "kinda cool", I don't know why, but I think so too :-) |
| 20:16.11 | luke-jr | RST38h: what? MIPS architecture is awesome |
| 20:16.17 | ShadowJK | I've been tempted to get one... but then I remind myself of what kind of EEE or Acer you could get for 335 |
| 20:16.34 | RST38h | luke: Have you actually tried programming for mips? |
| 20:16.37 | johnx | at 335 or so, the HP mini looks really nice |
| 20:16.39 | RST38h | in assembler? |
| 20:16.47 | luke-jr | RST38h: yes, and reverse engineered |
| 20:17.06 | RST38h | and how is that academic monstrosity better than arm? |
| 20:17.17 | LiraNuna | anyone else gets 96/100 in ACID3 in Tear? |
| 20:17.23 | luke-jr | now you're asking for a relative comparison |
| 20:17.26 | luke-jr | I don't know ARM asm |
| 20:17.44 | ShadowJK | you could compare it to itanium |
| 20:17.48 | johnx | LiraNuna, me too. Bundyo was getting 100/100 a couple weeks ago |
| 20:17.58 | luke-jr | I don't know Itanium asm either |
| 20:18.08 | LiraNuna | luke-jr, ARM has 16 registers, all 16bit |
| 20:18.10 | LiraNuna | 32bit* |
| 20:18.21 | LiraNuna | named r0 to r15 |
| 20:18.37 | luke-jr | ok |
| 20:18.44 | luke-jr | MIPS has 32x 32-bit regs |
| 20:18.58 | LiraNuna | asm is similar to mips, but you don't have a 'dst' |
| 20:19.06 | LiraNuna | add r0, r1 |
| 20:19.12 | LiraNuna | r0 += r1 |
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| 20:19.58 | luke-jr | LiraNuna: this is a good thing? |
| 20:20.03 | LiraNuna | you can also inline shift, mov r0, r1, lsl#3 |
| 20:20.14 | LiraNuna | which is r0 = r1 << 3 |
| 20:20.24 | luke-jr | MIPS is RISC ;) |
| 20:20.45 | LiraNuna | I know that, but the syntax is similar |
| 20:20.49 | LiraNuna | just no dst |
| 20:20.52 | RST38h | luke: You can't use most of MIPS registers because they are allocated by ABI or the OS |
| 20:21.14 | luke-jr | RST38h: that's an ABI/OS issue |
| 20:21.28 | RST38h | luke: You do not have conditional opcode execution, builtin shifts, you can't load more than 16bit integer in a single instruction |
| 20:21.41 | RST38h | luke: When you are the one programming it, it is YOUR issue. |
| 20:22.13 | luke-jr | RST38h: what stops an OS from using fewer registers? |
| 20:22.18 | RST38h | Let us see....mm....Ah, I forgot that once MIPS encounters a potential stall it just continues running, corrupting your state |
| 20:22.29 | RST38h | So the assembler automatically inserts NOPs for stalls :) |
| 20:22.49 | luke-jr | sure you understand that? |
| 20:22.53 | RST38h | luke: What stops you from eating concrete bricks? |
| 20:23.02 | luke-jr | instruction 3 is already started when instruction 1 finishes |
| 20:23.03 | RST38h | Yes, luke-jr, I understand that |
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| 20:23.40 | RST38h | luke-jr: write a program that does loads, stores, or branches, compile it with assembler, then look at the binary |
| 20:24.01 | johnx | makes some popcorn, grabs a drink |
| 20:24.11 | luke-jr | RST38h: yes, I agree GCC could use some better MIPS optimizations ;) |
| 20:24.13 | RST38h | luke-jr: Ask yourself why some of your instructions take 2x32bit words, not just one |
| 20:24.18 | RST38h | Oh dear |
| 20:24.31 | luke-jr | how do you expect to load a 32-bit value with only a single 32-bit word |
| 20:24.33 | luke-jr | ? |
| 20:24.46 | RST38h | It is not about optimizations. It is about an architectural feature where MIPS does not stall no matter what |
| 20:24.58 | luke-jr | define 'stall'? |
| 20:25.17 | RST38h | luke-jr: Do exactly what I said. See what happens. Google for the definition of "stall". |
| 20:25.42 | luke-jr | Google doesn't know |
| 20:27.25 | RST38h | luke-jr: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instruction_pipelining |
| 20:29.14 | luke-jr | RST38h: looks like a safeguard for incorrect code |
| 20:31.26 | ssvb | luke-jr: looks like not having stalls implemented in HW restricts the possibilities to make a new CPU core with higher latencies which is still compatible with the binaries built for old CPUs |
| 20:32.43 | derf | ssvb: If Intel had had that restriction, we wouldn't have had the abomination known was the Pentium 4. |
| 20:32.54 | LiraNuna | ^ lol. |
| 20:33.02 | derf | *as |
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| 20:35.29 | RST38h | luke-jr: you need a junior-level college class on comp arch |
| 20:36.17 | ssvb | derf: no, we would probably have itanic by now :) |
| 20:36.29 | RST38h | luke-jr: Anything taught by Hennessy&Patterson book will do. BTW, Hennessy is the guy who headed the MIPS project |
| 20:37.12 | johnx | ...also makes some good booze |
| 20:38.39 | luke-jr | ssvb: maybe my code EXPECTS the pipeline ;) |
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| 20:42.21 | RST38h | pipelines by themselves are no problem |
| 20:42.42 | RST38h | They are actually good for you =) |
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| 21:04.29 | RST38h | <sleep> |
| 21:05.00 | johnx | 'night RST38h |
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| 21:12.19 | Macer | know this may sound strange but |
| 21:12.24 | Macer | which debian install cd would i use for a core2duo? |
| 21:12.31 | Macer | ia64? |
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| 21:13.47 | johnx | not ia64. you either want x86 or amd64 (not sure what it's called) |
| 21:14.06 | Macer | hm. so no itanium arch used on core2duo? |
| 21:14.11 | Macer | do they even make itaniums anymore? |
| 21:14.16 | johnx | yup |
| 21:14.18 | johnx | it's for servers |
| 21:14.21 | Macer | oh |
| 21:14.24 | johnx | not common servers though |
| 21:14.27 | Macer | virtualization etc? |
| 21:14.32 | KurtKraut | how can I turn on or blink the N800 led? Does this envolve writing to a file in /proc like in laptops? |
| 21:14.32 | johnx | not even... |
| 21:14.35 | matt | Unfortuently I do not believe that the Nokia n810 is for me. I bought it expecting it to have a faster processor than it does. So reckon I am going to sell it on Ebay. Any tips on how to "wipe" the internals and then make it like new again? |
| 21:14.42 | Macer | more like cracking hte genome servers? |
| 21:14.50 | johnx | yeah, stuff like that |
| 21:15.32 | Macer | haha |
| 21:15.35 | Macer | they are that good? |
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| 21:15.57 | johnx | Macer, not really, but some people have high budgets and low expectations. they're pretty good for a certain subset of problems |
| 21:16.01 | johnx | matt, clean up files from the internal memory, then reflash |
| 21:16.07 | Macer | haha |
| 21:16.15 | johnx | KurtKraut, I think there's a d-bus call you can use. let me check |
| 21:16.19 | Macer | high budgets and low expectations :) that's awesome |
| 21:16.45 | matt | johnx: Ok, so lets see, hook it up via usb to do the clean up? |
| 21:16.48 | Macer | i honestly thought they were discontinued |
| 21:17.00 | Macer | and were shoved into newer tech like core2duo |
| 21:17.01 | johnx | matt, yup. delete anything that's yours, but leave the map files alone :) |
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| 21:17.05 | Macer | kind of like ppro and p3s |
| 21:17.21 | matt | johnx: So things such as passwords and stuff....stored in the things..........:( |
| 21:17.30 | KurtKraut | johnx, I want to make a plugin for Pidgin to make this led to blink when there are unread messages |
| 21:17.37 | Macer | debian.org goes slow as shit |
| 21:17.41 | johnx | Macer, nope. it's a totally different architecture. AMD forced Intel's hand by making 64-bit processors that were backwards compatible with x86 binaries |
| 21:18.34 | KurtKraut | matt: just reinstall the firmware. But what kind of usage you have that N810 is not fast enough? |
| 21:18.55 | Macer | oh so itaniums were pure 64bit? |
| 21:18.56 | matt | KurtKraut: Mainly internet browsing..I just thought it'd be faster than it is. |
| 21:18.57 | johnx | matt, that gets cleared when you reflash |
| 21:19.07 | matt | KurtKraut: I find myself waiting to get to my desktop instead.... |
| 21:19.08 | Macer | well. that's an awesome concept :) |
| 21:19.14 | matt | really I just need a laptop.... |
| 21:19.22 | Macer | they should leave i386 shit to C7s and atoms |
| 21:19.29 | johnx | matt, before you sell it, have you tried the "Tear" web browser |
| 21:19.38 | johnx | Macer, then why aren't you using an itanium? :) |
| 21:19.48 | matt | johnx: No I haven't, is it better? |
| 21:19.51 | Macer | johnx: don't have one :( |
| 21:19.54 | Macer | maybe i'll buy one |
| 21:19.59 | Macer | i would rather buy a sparc first tho |
| 21:20.15 | Macer | a dec alpha or something |
| 21:20.16 | Macer | that would be awesome |
| 21:20.19 | johnx | matt, lots better. might be worth a try before you reflash and clear out your tablet. nothing to lose after all :) |
| 21:20.23 | KurtKraut | matt: I don't think you will get faster than this on a portable device. |
| 21:20.31 | johnx | KurtKraut, seen this: http://maemo.jabber.dk/ ? |
| 21:20.52 | Macer | matt: i tried a netbook (the acer one) it's still slow as shit with xp or linux on it |
| 21:20.57 | Macer | and that ist he laptop version of ultra-portable |
| 21:21.06 | Macer | it's 10x larger than an n800 and runs slower imo |
| 21:21.18 | matt | johnx: KurtKraut I may take a look at it. But another major reason I am considering is this: I tried and tried and tried to format videos for the n810, but they weren't ever smooth unless I really made the videos crap quality. |
| 21:21.23 | Macer | it was nice for an extremely small laptop though. i will give it that much. but it won't fit in a pocket |
| 21:21.37 | johnx | matt, even in mplayer? |
| 21:21.46 | Macer | matt: easiest way i found was to use nero recode and use the ipod profile |
| 21:21.55 | matt | johnx: Sadly. If I jumped the resolution down........well then it'd finally work. |
| 21:21.55 | Macer | they run great doing that :) |
| 21:22.06 | Macer | although you can probably make a better profile for it but i've never tried |
| 21:22.15 | lbt | lcuk hey... seriously cool new 3D technology game available on the iPhone *and* should work on the N8x0 and probably 770 too very realistic : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2AF0GMjUsQ |
| 21:22.17 | Macer | 90MB and good enough quality to actually sit there and watch them without skipping |
| 21:22.17 | matt | Macer: I tried quite a bit of stuff............ |
| 21:22.26 | KurtKraut | johnx: no, and I cannot generate too much traffic on th connection I am using. Could you tell me what it is? |
| 21:22.29 | johnx | matt, at about 400x240 or so video should still look pretty good |
| 21:22.32 | Macer | matt: use nero recode ;) |
| 21:22.37 | Macer | trust me.. easiest way |
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| 21:23.02 | johnx | KurtKraut, it's a LED blinking pluging for Pidgin. Source included. even if it doesn't work, it might give you a clue as to where to write to |
| 21:23.03 | Macer | mp4/aac ftw |
| 21:23.13 | Macer | bbl |
| 21:23.44 | tds5016 | hello all. can someone tell me how I'd get the mac address of the device in python? |
| 21:23.50 | tds5016 | the maemo device* |
| 21:23.52 | tds5016 | it's an n810 |
| 21:24.09 | johnx | do you mind just calling ash from inside python? |
| 21:25.15 | lcuk | lbt, thats hyper realistic, but the technology on the 810 cannot cope - where would the balls go |
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| 21:25.17 | tds5016 | johnx: was that to me? |
| 21:25.38 | johnx | tds5016, yes. though I think someone had a way to do it in pure python |
| 21:25.50 | lbt | I thought you'd be impressed |
| 21:26.28 | tds5016 | johnx: oh okay. I'd prefer to have it in pure python. |
| 21:26.30 | lcuk | maybe we could get craves one to make an attachment |
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| 21:26.44 | tds5016 | but if worse comes to worse, I'll settle for making a call to ash. |
| 21:27.21 | tds5016 | can you send me a tutorial on how I'd do that? |
| 21:28.01 | johnx | well, in sh: /sbin/ifconfig | grep HW |
| 21:28.53 | KurtKraut | johnx: that sounds great, thanks. |
| 21:28.55 | johnx | hm, maybe: /sbin/ifconfig | grep wlan0 |
| 21:29.04 | johnx | that way if usb0 is up too you don't get both ;) |
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| 21:29.36 | johnx | cutting out the part you want is left as an exercise in python. :D should be simple though |
| 21:29.44 | paul0 | yay! got one N800! |
| 21:29.53 | johnx | congrats paul0 |
| 21:29.57 | paul0 | now the battery is full, and i'll upgrade the firmware |
| 21:30.00 | matt | So...I plugged the nokia up to computer....I cannot remember where the *.* config files are. |
| 21:30.04 | paul0 | johnx, thanks :) |
| 21:30.43 | johnx | matt, the config files will be erased when you reflash. for now just delete anything on the "Internal Memory" that's yours |
| 21:30.55 | matt | johnx: oh, then I should be good. |
| 21:31.02 | matt | johnx: now...how to reflash...... |
| 21:31.29 | johnx | ~flashing |
| 21:31.30 | infobot | hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 21:33.20 | paul0 | how do i check my firmware version? |
| 21:33.34 | johnx | menu -> settings -> control panel -> about |
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| 21:33.47 | paul0 | well, my N800 is probably running the OS2007, afaik all the N800 comes with it, right? |
| 21:34.12 | paul0 | i'll check anyway |
| 21:34.14 | johnx | yup |
| 21:34.23 | johnx | even if it's OS2008 it's probably an old version |
| 21:35.21 | paul0 | it is the OS2007 |
| 21:35.42 | johnx | well, then definitely get that upgraded to OS2008 :) |
| 21:36.03 | paul0 | yup, i'm downloading the image |
| 21:36.08 | johnx | good deal :) |
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| 21:37.21 | paul0 | finally this N800 came to Brazil with a good price |
| 21:38.04 | johnx | ah good! I heard they were really expensive there for a long time |
| 21:39.30 | paul0 | it usually costs R$1000, but one online store is selling it for R$399 now |
| 21:39.30 | johnx | wow. that's a big price drop |
| 21:39.30 | paul0 | yup |
| 21:39.30 | johnx | glad to hear it's not a scam, too ;) |
| 21:39.57 | johnx | that's a lot closer to the US price :) |
| 21:40.08 | paul0 | yes |
| 21:40.27 | johnx | R$1000 was more than the US launch price, I think |
| 21:40.30 | paul0 | now linux MIDs became much more popular |
| 21:40.32 | paul0 | here |
| 21:42.07 | paul0 | it doesn't come with FM Radio application already? |
| 21:42.22 | johnx | nope. but it's available to download |
| 21:42.29 | johnx | do you have wifi? |
| 21:42.40 | paul0 | yes, but i'll download it later |
| 21:43.03 | paul0 | first firmware upgrade, later i'll start downloading some applications :) |
| 21:47.33 | thopiekar | etrunko: PING |
| 21:49.10 | etrunko | thopiekar: pong |
| 21:49.29 | thopiekar | how is the progress with the e17 deb-repos? |
| 21:50.59 | thopiekar | are there now available repos out there? , etrunko |
| 21:51.10 | etrunko | thopiekar: not ready yet |
| 21:51.23 | etrunko | http://packages.enlightenment.org |
| 21:51.33 | thopiekar | I tried to make packages from svn |
| 21:51.44 | thopiekar | but I have lots of trouble |
| 21:51.44 | matt | johnx: Macer I keep haveing troubles flashing it, I keep getting "command not found" |
| 21:51.48 | matt | for the flasher...it's odd. |
| 21:51.55 | etrunko | thopiekar: the guys are fixing the last bits in packages |
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| 21:52.03 | etrunko | thopiekar: you tried for maemo? |
| 21:52.17 | thopiekar | please add to the dependencies cvn of e17.. |
| 21:52.25 | paul0 | "Suitable USB device not found, waiting" |
| 21:52.29 | etrunko | or ubuntu/debian ? |
| 21:52.31 | paul0 | i've did something wrong? |
| 21:52.58 | thopiekar | etrunko: no I need the packages for a virtual maschine.. |
| 21:53.26 | thopiekar | etrunko: k.. so the repos will be online in the next... ? |
| 21:53.46 | etrunko | thopiekar: later this week i think |
| 21:54.44 | thopiekar | I'm just thinking about making a vm for maemo.. maybe somethink like maemoSDKvm+.. INDT's vmdk's are not defragmented to they are very big.. |
| 21:55.13 | etrunko | hmm |
| 21:55.28 | kenne | thopiekar, maybe talk to setanta here on freenode, he did the vmdk |
| 21:55.40 | etrunko | thopiekar: you can try #pkg-e for further information on the repository |
| 21:56.06 | thopiekar | I managed to defragment a good solution with gnome, android sdk, maemo sdk , etc to 11,6GB and 7zip'd it to 2.8GB |
| 21:56.21 | thopiekar | etrunko: k |
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| 21:56.50 | thopiekar | 2.8GB are better to share than 20GB :P |
| 21:56.57 | etrunko | yeah |
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| 21:57.36 | thopiekar | so I want to make a new vm with e17.. e17 is very fast and lightwight.. so the best of a vm :) |
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| 22:01.12 | thopiekar | k.. I have to get some sleep.. see you soon :] |
| 22:01.21 | KurtKraut | what is the OS2008 default browser? |
| 22:02.36 | matt | I seemingly cannot flash my n810, either in opensuse 11.1 or ubuntu 8.10. |
| 22:03.01 | matt | everytime I go to run the flasher, either as root or user, it get "permission denied". |
| 22:03.18 | tds5016 | matt: are you sudoing or sudo su - |
| 22:03.18 | tds5016 | ? |
| 22:03.26 | tds5016 | and yes, there is a difference. |
| 22:03.35 | matt | tds5016: tried both. |
| 22:03.59 | tds5016 | rut r'oh then. haha. |
| 22:04.19 | matt | tds5016: I just sudoed su, ./flasher, nothing else, and get this. |
| 22:04.26 | matt | bash: ./flasher-3.0: Permission denied |
| 22:04.48 | tds5016 | show me what happens if you log in with sudo su - |
| 22:04.51 | tds5016 | first. |
| 22:05.03 | matt | tds5016: what do you mean? |
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| 22:05.18 | tds5016 | run the command sudo su - first |
| 22:05.28 | tds5016 | that way you are actually become root. |
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| 22:05.51 | matt | tds5016: tried it. |
| 22:05.58 | tds5016 | okay, lemme see the outputs. |
| 22:07.46 | matt | tds5016: tds5016 permission denied. |
| 22:08.59 | matt | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php |
| 22:09.23 | matt | tds5016: flasher-3.0, tried all three of them. |
| 22:10.01 | matt | tds5016: It's strange, because I have flashed it before. |
| 22:10.06 | tds5016 | hmm.... that's strange. I've not much experience, so I may not be able to help. |
| 22:10.09 | tds5016 | I'm sorry. |
| 22:10.47 | johnx | matt, sudo chmod +x flasher-3.0 |
| 22:11.01 | matt | johnx: tried it |
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| 22:11.14 | b-man | hello, johnx :) |
| 22:11.34 | johnx | hey b-man |
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| 22:11.54 | johnx | matt, you're sure you have the right version of the flasher? |
| 22:11.55 | matt | johnx: but...I'm trying the static version on my suse again, i think it will work. |
| 22:11.58 | tds5016 | matt I hate suggesting this, but you could always try from windows... |
| 22:11.59 | tds5016 | :-/. |
| 22:12.06 | matt | tds5016: yeah right........ |
| 22:12.18 | matt | johnx: Didn't try the static version on suse, it seems to be working. |
| 22:12.29 | KurtKraut | what is the OS2008 default browser? Is it Fennec? |
| 22:12.39 | johnx | I'm guessing you had the amd64 version on a 32bit distro or vice versa |
| 22:12.43 | matt | johnx: Indeed, is working........ |
| 22:12.46 | matt | johnx: dunno. |
| 22:14.27 | sp3000 | KurtKraut: microb |
| 22:21.14 | KurtKraut | sp3000: thanks. I miss a lot of features, for instance, block the rendering/download of images |
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| 22:22.36 | Macer | word |
| 22:22.50 | Macer | is waiting for this damn debian install to encipher the hard drive |
| 22:24.35 | johnx | KurtKraut, I think ther's an option to not load images. |
| 22:25.06 | KurtKraut | johnx: no, there isn't |
| 22:26.19 | johnx | on the bottom right of the browser screen, click the magnifying glass -> show images -> never |
| 22:26.21 | KurtKraut | you can block javascript, but not images |
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| 22:27.11 | KurtKraut | oh hell, i was looking for that on the main confifu |
| 22:27.14 | johnx | :) |
| 22:27.34 | KurtKraut | oh hell, i was looking for that on the main configuration window. thanks again johnx |
| 22:27.52 | johnx | no problem. it takes a while to get used to how they laid out the menus |
| 22:29.10 | Macer | it's amazing how little scientists do :) |
| 22:29.47 | Macer | they don't usually produce real world results |
| 22:30.24 | lbt | true. |
| 22:30.31 | lbt | pass me another wheel |
| 22:31.04 | Macer | i don't think scientists created the wheel |
| 22:31.08 | Macer | it was engineers |
| 22:31.15 | lbt | nah, they built it |
| 22:31.23 | Macer | i believe the last good thing a scientist made was the atom bomb |
| 22:31.24 | lbt | a scientist invented it |
| 22:31.29 | lbt | good? |
| 22:31.41 | Macer | well... not the bomb in general... but nuclear fission |
| 22:31.48 | lbt | are you calling the H-bomb bad then? |
| 22:31.51 | Macer | it had real world results |
| 22:31.57 | lbt | and fusion is not as good as fission? |
| 22:31.58 | Macer | no.. it is neither nor |
| 22:32.04 | Macer | fusion is better :) |
| 22:32.14 | lbt | but that came after the atom bomb |
| 22:32.21 | Macer | do they have fusion reactors? |
| 22:32.22 | lbt | so the last good thing must have been fusion |
| 22:32.28 | Macer | i thought they were all fission? |
| 22:33.23 | Macer | i mean realistically.. the medical scientists are the only ones who have contributed anything tangible to the rest of the world in the last 50 years (if not more) |
| 22:33.57 | lbt | so, say, semiconductors aren't tangible? |
| 22:34.16 | lbt | nah you're right |
| 22:34.21 | Macer | what are semiconductors doing that have improved the world greatly? |
| 22:34.22 | lbt | medical fission |
| 22:34.28 | Macer | made a nice train at disney world? |
| 22:34.39 | lbt | well, I can think of some medical devices... |
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| 22:34.48 | lbt | that the medical scientists use |
| 22:36.10 | Macer | and well.. :) |
| 22:36.16 | Macer | semiconductors have been around since the 1800s |
| 22:36.30 | lbt | they've been around since they fused in the sun |
| 22:36.54 | Macer | sure in a philosophical "we are all stardust" kind of way |
| 22:37.12 | lbt | and given silicon is a semiconductor then I suppose an egg-timer was the first semiconductor device |
| 22:37.27 | Macer | but i mean... paleontologists.. they study ancient creatures.. how is that helping the world? |
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| 22:37.46 | Macer | how is it advancing humanity studying how a mammoth lived? |
| 22:38.27 | lbt | you're right again... there's no point in looking to the past to see how things might change in the future |
| 22:38.36 | lbt | say how animals coped in ice-ages |
| 22:38.38 | Macer | sure certain things |
| 22:38.53 | Macer | but .... the underlying problem was the ice age |
| 22:38.57 | lbt | when we had changes to the world's temperature |
| 22:38.58 | Macer | obviously we know what the conditions were |
| 22:39.04 | lbt | nothing like toda |
| 22:39.05 | lbt | y |
| 22:39.13 | lbt | when we will havechanges to the world's temperature |
| 22:39.16 | Macer | now it is time to find a way to cope with those conditions by making tangible technology |
| 22:39.32 | Macer | you know what it was and what it does and there is nothing that is being done to do anything about it :) |
| 22:39.35 | lbt | yes... to do what exactly? |
| 22:40.00 | lbt | I like solar shades |
| 22:40.08 | lbt | sounds cool in a big way |
| 22:40.12 | lbt | on so many levels |
| 22:41.38 | Macer | build an underground society ? |
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| 22:42.00 | Macer | something.. not just keep studying what the ice age was |
| 22:42.17 | Macer | Hitler may have been a rotten bastard.. but i think the world needs fascism |
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| 22:42.19 | lbt | but look where the dinosaurs went.... |
| 22:42.22 | lbt | underground |
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| 22:42.34 | Macer | they didn't go underground |
| 22:42.40 | Macer | they all died and were covered up by lava |
| 22:42.43 | lbt | calls Godwin |
| 22:42.45 | Macer | :) |
| 22:43.12 | Macer | fascism would point science into tangible things.. our education systems fail due to lack of control |
| 22:43.24 | Macer | we have that "pick something you like" thing going on |
| 22:43.39 | Macer | which in the end results in 1% tangible discovery |
| 22:43.47 | Macer | and 99% bullshit |
| 22:46.21 | Macer | 30 years of education wasted just because johnny had a pet horse that died so he decided to become a veterinarian instead of a physisist |
| 22:46.46 | sp3000 | OH NO METRICS RUN FOR YOUR LIFE |
| 22:46.47 | Macer | and doesn't want to have anybody else lose their pet fish |
| 22:46.54 | Macer | haha |
| 22:47.33 | Macer | ok... i have to eat....using microwaves to heat water.. now that was a breakthrough |
| 22:53.09 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: so... |
| 22:53.20 | timeless_mbp | i understand why my mbp was unhappy |
| 22:53.28 | timeless_mbp | and i decided to try to use my new hdd |
| 22:53.33 | timeless_mbp | sadly i can't follow directions |
| 22:53.38 | timeless_mbp | so i'll have to try again tomorrow |
| 22:54.01 | sp3000 | heh |
| 22:55.03 | timeless_mbp | so, instead, what am i doing? |
| 22:55.07 | timeless_mbp | a friend's laptop died |
| 22:55.11 | timeless_mbp | it's a lenovo |
| 22:55.18 | timeless_mbp | and it has a "push to destroy all your data" button |
| 22:55.23 | timeless_mbp | the system is cute |
| 22:55.30 | timeless_mbp | 30gb for the "destroyable parition" |
| 22:55.47 | timeless_mbp | about 200gb for "your data if you're smart enough to manage to hide anything here" |
| 22:55.54 | timeless_mbp | 16gb for the "destroyer source partition" |
| 22:55.57 | timeless_mbp | sadly |
| 22:56.01 | timeless_mbp | it runs vista |
| 22:56.15 | timeless_mbp | so the OS, ProgramFiles, and WinSxS all live on the destroyable partition |
| 22:56.19 | timeless_mbp | so does %HOME% |
| 22:56.41 | timeless_mbp | which meant that among other problems, the C: drive was running out of space (yippee) |
| 22:56.51 | timeless_mbp | but the "reset your computer" button fixed that problem :) |
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| 22:58.39 | timeless_mbp | well... fixed is overstating it |
| 22:58.52 | timeless_mbp | since it didn't fix the partitioning to not be insane |
| 22:59.35 | timeless_mbp | otoh, i'd been waiting for an excuse to reformat the drive w/ a moderately sane partitioning scheme, and it presented itself :) |
| 23:00.28 | efeefe | hi all, just wondering if anyone has a solution for the problem with diablo initfs in n800 |
| 23:00.44 | efeefe | (the shipped initfs is too big) |
| 23:01.10 | timeless_mbp | ? |
| 23:01.21 | timeless_mbp | how can it be too big? |
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| 23:02.50 | efeefe | timeless_mbp: I had the following errorwhile flashing the initfs: "usb_bulk_write: Resource temporarily unavailable" |
| 23:02.56 | LiraNuna | efeefe, I recently got an N810WE and I have no problem, |
| 23:03.08 | LiraNuna | efeefe, are you root? is the USB mounted? |
| 23:03.30 | efeefe | timeless_mbp: some people say it is too big (2273 kB) |
| 23:03.41 | efeefe | LiraNuna: not mounted, I'm sudoer |
| 23:04.08 | LiraNuna | efeefe, what device? what firmware are you trying to flash? |
| 23:04.52 | efeefe | LiraNuna: n800, trying to flash the latest diablo from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php |
| 23:05.34 | LiraNuna | I downloaded it and tested N810EW with no problem; I suppose it's an N800 problem only (if exists) |
| 23:05.45 | sp3000 | google doesn't seem to know much of these some people |
| 23:05.52 | LiraNuna | s/it// |
| 23:05.59 | LiraNuna | nice bot |
| 23:06.15 | sp3000 | if by nice you mean annoying :) |
| 23:06.27 | LiraNuna | some people don't understand it when I use regexps |
| 23:07.07 | sp3000 | efeefe: did you try again? |
| 23:07.12 | efeefe | LiraNuna: thanks anyway, I'll try downloading a previous firmware |
| 23:07.16 | efeefe | sp3000: 3 or 4 times |
| 23:07.28 | crashanddie | lol... What Do I Do If JBOSS Explodes My Computer: http://www.jboss.org/community/docs/DOC-12681 |
| 23:10.05 | LiraNuna | efeefe, sorry I couldn't help |
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| 23:49.44 | LiraNuna | is the maemo repository down for anyone? I can't download software |
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| 23:58.43 | LiraNuna | seems to be fixed now |
| 23:58.56 | xnt | ¡ÇuoÊɹÇÊÇ ollÇÉ¥ |
| 23:59.17 | b-man | lol |
| 23:59.20 | xnt | :P |
| 23:59.29 | b-man | â¼â´ââ¼: %â½ |
