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| 00:12.20 | rm_you| | johnx_: :) |
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| 01:28.43 | AndrewFBlack | I think a few people are going to want to hang me for making minimalist theme white background |
| 01:32.10 | fireun | hang 'im ! |
| 01:32.30 | fireun | power waster! |
| 01:32.53 | AndrewFBlack | lol |
| 01:33.38 | fireun | gonna burn out screens too! |
| 01:33.51 | AndrewFBlack | let them burn |
| 01:34.01 | fireun | heretic! |
| 01:34.08 | fireun | stone the sinner! |
| 01:34.22 | fireun | gonna burn it heeeyall |
| 01:35.15 | fireun | says all this while listening to dark, dark metal. the kind that gives rots souls |
| 01:38.34 | fireun | norweigen or swedish most likely |
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| 01:40.00 | zakkm | fak |
| 01:40.14 | zakkm | ah, sorry |
| 01:41.05 | fireun | thats correctly spelled "frak" my good sir |
| 01:43.52 | zakkm | no i was typing the end of a password, and then irc popped up and i didnt look, so part of it appeared in this chat |
| 01:46.32 | AndrewFBlack | ahh haa I know your password now |
| 02:07.38 | elninja__ | Is it really necessary to charge the n810 completely to full before flashing? |
| 02:09.19 | AndrewFBlack | no |
| 02:14.20 | Macer | argh! |
| 02:14.22 | Macer | fucking vbox |
| 02:24.43 | z4chh | it is taking a lot of time and work to get my n810 running how i want, it sure is fun though :D |
| 02:33.52 | luke-jr_ | z4chh: taking me longer |
| 02:33.53 | luke-jr_ | :p |
| 02:38.52 | z4chh | i tried pulling an all nighter on a research paper...didn't happen at all....without even trying last night, i pulled an all nighter hacking my tablet |
| 02:40.50 | luke-jr_ | hacking is logicakl |
| 02:40.55 | luke-jr_ | research papers are not |
| 02:40.58 | luke-jr_ | :D |
| 02:43.51 | z4chh | my n800 isn't getting much love lately :\ |
| 02:44.10 | luke-jr_ | z4chh: want to send it to me? I can use it ;P |
| 02:44.41 | z4chh | luke-jr_, i still love her, i just got a new baby who gets all the attention atm ;p |
| 02:44.42 | luke-jr_ | don't let NPS get you for neglect! |
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| 03:18.14 | luke-jr_ | any ETA on kernel 2.6.30-omap1? |
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| 04:08.18 | Guest2725_712 | hello someone have a good link about colors of swatch sheme and more explanation about every qgn colors? |
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| 05:51.18 | zeev | hi, did smb. tried or is tries to replace android with maemo on the HTC devices? how probable is this? |
| 05:52.36 | StsN801 | if you get ubuntu booting (not chroot) mer is a good candidate for getting maemo platform on it |
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| 06:59.47 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 06:59.50 | timeless_mbp | yes |
| 06:59.56 | timeless_mbp | today's a state holiday |
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| 07:12.26 | StsN802 | not here. union however |
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| 07:25.24 | radic | StsN802: my N800 does not boot... |
| 07:26.12 | radic | StsN802: I see the screen withe the infos that are shown in the RD-Mode and after few secs it turns of and starts again... |
| 07:26.47 | radic | StsN802: I cahnged noting in the systemconfiguration and a day before it worked... |
| 07:29.57 | Stskeeps | you could ask people in general here you know :P |
| 07:30.43 | radic | Stskeeps: there all away except you ;) |
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| 07:43.40 | radic_ | re |
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| 07:53.30 | radic_ | Stskeeps: the flasher doesn't find my N800 |
| 07:55.37 | timeless_mbp | radic_: typically you should pull the battery.... |
| 07:56.17 | radic_ | lol |
| 07:56.31 | radic_ | I replaced the USB-Cable |
| 07:56.35 | radic_ | now it works |
| 07:56.48 | radic_ | damen cheap cables... |
| 07:58.41 | pupnik_ | lcuk: do you think a x41 for 260 euro or a x61 for 800 euro is the better deal? |
| 07:58.45 | pupnik_ | *tablet |
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| 08:02.22 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik_, save it for the RX-51? |
| 08:02.37 | pupnik_ | yeah right |
| 08:02.42 | pupnik_ | sorry, what was i thinking |
| 08:02.51 | GeneralAntilles | :P |
| 08:03.08 | pupnik_ | i was actually thinking 'to do art' |
| 08:03.17 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, good plan. |
| 08:05.02 | GeneralAntilles | The TouchBook could make a really nice sketch tablet. |
| 08:06.59 | pupnik_ | checks |
| 08:18.51 | aquatix | pupnik_: x61t with 1400x1050? |
| 08:18.56 | aquatix | i'd go for that one |
| 08:19.05 | aquatix | it's awesome |
| 08:19.09 | pupnik_ | used it? |
| 08:19.20 | aquatix | not personally |
| 08:19.30 | pupnik_ | i've had one in my hands (not the tablet version) |
| 08:19.35 | pupnik_ | beautiful little device |
| 08:19.43 | aquatix | but i've used an x61 for a bit and have heard really good tales about the tablet |
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| 08:19.46 | aquatix | yep |
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| 08:42.53 | RST38h | moo all |
| 08:43.01 | timeless_mbp | MOV |
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| 08:43.14 | RST38h | ThinkPad? KILL. |
| 08:43.32 | thux | RST38h: morning |
| 08:44.50 | RST38h | heya thux |
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| 08:55.07 | radic_ | If I want that I can boot from other devices is there a way to create a bootmenu? |
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| 09:07.15 | radic_ | usb_bulk_write: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 09:07.34 | radic_ | I dosn't understand what's the problem... |
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| 09:44.22 | lbt | ROFL : Iceweasel spell checker knows Gobbledegook but not Firefox or Iceweasel... |
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| 09:55.37 | genewitch1 | anyone know if the n800 can stream audio to a bluetooth device? |
| 09:56.25 | Jaffa | genewitch: Using A2DP? Yes, but it's a bit fiddly. The next device will support it OOTB |
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| 10:02.46 | radic_ | If I want delete some files in the initfsimage that I mounted I get the message that there are no space left |
| 10:02.58 | radic_ | why I need space for deleting files? |
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| 10:11.09 | genewitch | what is A2DP |
| 10:11.33 | genewitch | Jaffa: is that third party or what? I am debating buying a bluetooth stereo for my car |
| 10:11.38 | lbt | audio over bluetooth |
| 10:11.45 | lbt | protocol |
| 10:11.57 | genewitch | what's fiddly about it? |
| 10:12.09 | lbt | compatibility and quality |
| 10:12.15 | genewitch | hm |
| 10:12.27 | genewitch | maybe i should invest in a cheap PC and use MPD |
| 10:12.35 | genewitch | and just remote control it with the maemo |
| 10:12.45 | lbt | apparently the next nokia device has better audio HW |
| 10:12.52 | lbt | might make a good in-car PC :) |
| 10:13.02 | genewitch | yeah that's what i am using mine as right now |
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| 10:13.16 | genewitch | but right now i live in an unsaturated FM band, and i am moving to Southern California |
| 10:13.32 | genewitch | so FM transmitter won't cut it |
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| 10:16.59 | genewitch | is there a howto for the bluetooth audio? |
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| 10:40.47 | genewitch | well my computer refuses to cooperate |
| 10:40.50 | genewitch | bah |
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| 11:14.50 | ssvb | genewitch: information about setting up A2DP on internet tablets: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13468 |
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| 11:27.51 | timeless_mbp | hey |
| 11:28.02 | timeless_mbp | where does h-a-m live these days? |
| 11:28.16 | Stskeeps | that's a very good question |
| 11:28.50 | timeless_mbp | while i'm asking questions... |
| 11:28.52 | timeless_mbp | https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=122 |
| 11:29.02 | timeless_mbp | why s this link present: Projectos que Precisam de Ajuda |
| 11:29.14 | timeless_mbp | i don't usually claim to speak languages other than English |
| 11:29.26 | timeless_mbp | thinks that's Portuguese |
| 11:29.34 | Stskeeps | doesn't see it |
| 11:30.03 | timeless_mbp | for me it's one tab to the left of the orange ham tab |
| 11:30.31 | timeless_mbp | http://gitorious.org/projects/hildon-application-manager |
| 11:30.35 | timeless_mbp | claims to be something |
| 11:30.39 | timeless_mbp | but i claim it's empty |
| 11:31.29 | GAN800 | timeless, git, although I'm thinking it's not all out in the open. :/ |
| 11:31.48 | timeless_mbp | i'm shocked! |
| 11:32.29 | GAN800 | Maybe it moved to git.maemo.org at some point. Don't recall. |
| 11:33.18 | timeless_mbp | g i t . m a e m o . o r g : : c o m i n g s o o n |
| 11:33.21 | timeless_mbp | OH SURE |
| 11:33.31 | yerga | git.maemo.org/projects |
| 11:33.42 | timeless_mbp | Forbidden |
| 11:33.42 | timeless_mbp | You don't have permission to access /projects/ on this server. |
| 11:33.44 | yerga | HAM is in some git service in some web |
| 11:33.45 | timeless_mbp | that's better |
| 11:34.07 | suihkulokki | timeless_mbp: https://git.maemo.org/projects//gitweb |
| 11:34.40 | timeless_mbp | ok, a quick look says "it ain't there" |
| 11:34.53 | GAN800 | we really need an index for this shit |
| 11:35.04 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 11:35.08 | suihkulokki | someone less lazy than me should open a bug to a add a redirect to the webroot |
| 11:35.15 | timeless_mbp | GAN800: yeah right |
| 11:35.19 | timeless_mbp | should do taht |
| 11:35.24 | timeless_mbp | ponders |
| 11:35.49 | GAN800 | Took me forever to find the bugzilla svn |
| 11:36.15 | timeless_mbp | timeless-mbp:src timeless$ sudo port install git-core |
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| 12:02.03 | timeless_mbp | GAN800: ok... where are the svn repos? :) |
| 12:02.07 | timeless_mbp | svn.m.o? |
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| 12:03.31 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, garage.maemo.org |
| 12:03.44 | timeless_mbp | oh that |
| 12:03.49 | timeless_mbp | swift already clones that |
| 12:04.04 | timeless_mbp | waits for git clones of git.m.o to finish |
| 12:04.30 | timeless_mbp | git.maemo.org[0: 62.61.69.144]: errno=Operation timed out |
| 12:04.32 | timeless_mbp | ?? |
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| 12:28.42 | lardman_ | is shocked he's still logged in |
| 12:28.54 | lardman_ | derf: http://blogs.bath.ac.uk/qrcode/ |
| 12:29.01 | lardman_ | derf: finally a use for QR codes! ;) |
| 12:29.23 | lardman_ | heads off for lunch |
| 12:30.55 | derf | Mmmmchocolate. |
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| 12:57.34 | lopz | hola |
| 12:58.59 | pupnik | huhu |
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| 13:17.46 | timeless_mbp | ok, i can't figure out how to clone anything from that git repo |
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| 13:24.28 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Good to see that the maemo.org paranoia hasn't stopped post-talk change |
| 13:31.28 | pupnik | do you think mer will be resolution-independent? |
| 13:31.51 | pupnik | i'd like a big chart comparing the various foss mobile OS's |
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| 14:08.10 | sp3000 | timeless_mbp: what, like git clone https://git.maemo.org/projects/anki ? |
| 14:08.31 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: git says curl says it can't handle https :) |
| 14:08.32 | sp3000 | shudders at git.*https |
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| 14:08.42 | sp3000 | well fire your curl :) |
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| 14:10.40 | timeless_mbp | i should note it seems to be a libcurl thing |
| 14:10.45 | timeless_mbp | because curl itself seems to work ! |
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| 14:27.15 | Jaffa | pupnik: AIUI, the intent for mer is to be resolution independent |
| 14:27.25 | Jaffa | (within obvios/practical limits ;-)) |
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| 14:33.36 | andrewfblack | Hello |
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| 14:41.00 | timeless_mbp | ok, i got git-curl-https happy |
| 14:41.29 | lbt | hi gnuton |
| 14:42.17 | gnuton | hei lbt |
| 14:42.18 | gnuton | :D |
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| 14:42.33 | lbt | you've been busy I see |
| 14:43.16 | lbt | I've been doing a lot with Mer recently - so sorry I've not pushed the Qt stuff so much |
| 14:43.20 | lbt | however :) |
| 14:43.28 | lbt | I'm looking at QTablet too |
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| 14:44.04 | lbt | and we will get Qt on Mer :) |
| 14:44.21 | lbt | so... fingerscrolling |
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| 14:45.42 | lbt | can we split this into tasks and accept the core touch thing first; then look at bounce; and finally look at animating the per-item scrolling |
| 14:49.08 | gnuton | lbt: I don't want to add new features until I don't resolve some issues in fremantle. |
| 14:50.36 | lbt | OK - but we really need to schedule this for fremantle inclusion... |
| 14:50.51 | gnuton | lbt: I agree wit you. |
| 14:51.20 | lbt | :) and whilst I think all 3 features are great; I think the priority is as above ^^^ |
| 14:51.25 | lbt | cool |
| 14:51.38 | lbt | if I know that we're pushing to include it |
| 14:51.47 | lbt | then I'm happy to work hard on it :) |
| 14:53.05 | gnuton | lbt: I will happy too to have your work in Qt, btw I can't promise you anything for fremantle. |
| 14:53.29 | lbt | I understand |
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| 14:53.50 | lbt | but if you say it's important and you'll try to use it |
| 14:53.56 | lbt | then that's good enough |
| 14:54.50 | monkeyiqchin | anyone know how to show a list of your POIs in maemo mapper? |
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| 15:00.11 | monkeyiqchin | ah ok. browse pois and use gps position to get around the origin issue... seems to work |
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| 15:42.21 | lbt | silly Matan |
| 15:43.28 | jeremiah_ | ping: X-Fade |
| 15:43.42 | jeremiah_ | Or rather, X-Fade: ping |
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| 15:50.01 | Jaffa | lbt++ |
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| 16:21.09 | Mec-sympa | hi all |
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| 17:00.00 | Davide | Hey I have a question, I have cloned to my SD card, but failed to create a swap partition. I made a linux partition 1gb for the os, and 1 fat partition 1gb for storage. If I use fdisk to edit the card, and partition the swap only from the sectors of the storage partition, can this damage my cloned installation? |
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| 17:02.24 | x29a | Davide: if youre not touching the system partition, no |
| 17:02.32 | Davide | x29a cool thanks |
| 17:02.38 | x29a | Davide: you are deleting the fat partition and making it into two partitions, right? |
| 17:02.44 | Davide | that's right |
| 17:03.03 | Davide | do I have to fdisk the whole card? or can I fdisk only that storage partition? |
| 17:03.09 | Davide | x29a |
| 17:03.36 | x29a | you fdisk your device, since it contains the partition |
| 17:03.41 | Davide | all right |
| 17:03.47 | x29a | fdisk /dev/sda or whatever |
| 17:03.47 | Davide | thank you |
| 17:04.00 | x29a | sda1 will be system, sda2 will be data, sda3 then swap or something |
| 17:06.35 | luke-jr_ | erm |
| 17:06.40 | luke-jr_ | SD cards aren't sda |
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| 17:08.59 | keesj | 90% of the time sd-cards are accessed via a usb-card reader implementing scsi and hence the /dev/sdX names |
| 17:09.23 | keesj | but sda is probably the first disk and usualy not what you want to format .. |
| 17:10.00 | luke-jr_ | keesj: not in here |
| 17:10.18 | luke-jr_ | in here, 90% of the time SD cards are accessed via whatever implementing /dev/mmcblkX |
| 17:15.53 | Davide | x29a, luke-jr_, so my current FAT partition is mmcblk0p1, and my linux boot partition is mmcblk0p2. When I run fdisk, it will ask me in sequence to assign sectors to the partitions. this means I will have to re-assigne the linus partition? and then assign swap in the 3rd position mmcblk0p3?? won't this recreate the boot partition and ruin the current one? |
| 17:16.03 | keesj | those are the block device of the mmc layer |
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| 17:16.26 | Davide | keesj can you elaborate? |
| 17:16.58 | Davide | don't wanna make a mistake I don't quite understand what I can do without ruining the previous partition |
| 17:17.03 | keesj | if you are "on" the device it's probably what luke-jr is saying |
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| 17:17.55 | Davide | yes I don't have any trouble accessing the partition, I"m just trying to figure out if re-assigning the sectors will ruin the linux partition and my OS |
| 17:18.20 | keesj | food... bbl |
| 17:19.01 | Davide | Since it will ask me first /dev/mmcblk0p1: then /dev/mmcblk0p2: etc etc.. |
| 17:20.18 | Davide | anyone? :( |
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| 17:37.52 | Davide | anyone know how to use fdisk? |
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| 17:42.21 | x29a | Davide: youre not using the normal fdisk but cfdisk on device or? |
| 17:42.32 | Davide | sfdisk |
| 17:42.49 | x29a | ah, im not familiar with that, sorry |
| 17:42.59 | Davide | wait check this out |
| 17:43.02 | x29a | might be that if you just hit enter it will leave everything on that partition |
| 17:43.06 | x29a | manpage should say |
| 17:43.21 | Davide | so I did sfdisk /dev/mmcblk0 -N1 |
| 17:43.26 | Davide | and this edits only the first partition |
| 17:43.40 | Davide | but then I did sfdisk /dev/mmcblk0 -N3 |
| 17:43.42 | Davide | that edits partition 3 |
| 17:44.04 | Davide | so I tried to create one partition on position one and one on position 3 |
| 17:44.22 | Davide | but the one on pos 3 gave an error... can partitions be created out of sequence? meaning even if the sectors are non sequential? |
| 17:44.25 | Davide | does that matter x29a? |
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| 18:10.05 | AStorm | hello |
| 18:10.13 | AStorm | Stskeeps, you around? |
| 18:10.22 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 18:10.31 | AStorm | I'm about to install Mer on my n810 |
| 18:10.38 | AStorm | any missing features? |
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| 18:11.19 | Stskeeps | plenty, but really - check it out and see what's missing. sound is reachable, battery meter is reachable - but we have a problem with pulseaudio still so it's not so integrated yet |
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| 18:11.53 | Stskeeps | there's quirks still, obviously, but we're well underway |
| 18:12.18 | keesj | re |
| 18:12.29 | Stskeeps | evening keesj |
| 18:13.23 | keesj | can I add my sheeva-plug as build host for Mer ? |
| 18:13.29 | AStorm | mhh |
| 18:13.52 | AStorm | I could help with pulse.. unless it's already done right |
| 18:14.13 | Stskeeps | basically we need a pulseaudio plugin speaking the DSP protocol (which is horridly simple, see osso-esd) |
| 18:14.22 | Stskeeps | as the alsa output segfaults |
| 18:15.35 | Stskeeps | but PA plugins arenÃ't as simple as esd ones :/ |
| 18:15.37 | lcuk | waves |
| 18:15.55 | Stskeeps | lo lcuk |
| 18:16.39 | lcuk | hey sts, are you planning on not bringing esd over then |
| 18:17.11 | Stskeeps | lcuk: correct, following fremantle audio |
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| 18:17.18 | Stskeeps | pulseaudio has ESD compat. |
| 18:17.20 | lcuk | good |
| 18:18.00 | lcuk | gah my laptop wont start sshd on its own |
| 18:18.42 | lcuk | how do i generically run something on bootup? |
| 18:18.57 | AStorm | Stskeeps, asked #pulseaudio yet? |
| 18:19.04 | AStorm | someone might be willing |
| 18:20.40 | AStorm | well, I'd be if not for other projects... |
| 18:20.59 | AStorm | this is just a bunch of IO in DSP assembly |
| 18:21.18 | AStorm | and I've made mods to pulse's ladspa sink |
| 18:21.41 | AStorm | so I do understand their infra... |
| 18:22.31 | Stskeeps | actually i didn't - but this actually just /dev/ dumping, not DSP |
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| 18:25.40 | AStorm | meh |
| 18:26.12 | AStorm | so it's like the OSS driver |
| 18:26.12 | AStorm | but easier |
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| 18:28.57 | AStorm | does Mer initfs have a boot menu to pick the partition? |
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| 18:29.36 | Stskeeps | yes |
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| 18:33.27 | AStorm | good - do you recommend using JFFS2 flash or internal mmc (no, not the card, I need that slot) |
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| 18:56.45 | GAN800 | Ugh, Reggie changed the orange. |
| 18:57.00 | GAN800 | Jaffa, I just don't get it. |
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| 19:00.24 | lcuk | change the jaffa |
| 19:02.53 | GAN800 | bangs his head through the wall over the tablet school insanity. |
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| 19:04.36 | Proteous | eats coffee cake while (AMAZINGLY!!) drinking coffee |
| 19:06.58 | GAN800 | It's like itT has a dedicated terminal in a mental institution. |
| 19:09.00 | jaska | haha |
| 19:09.10 | johnx_ | GAN800, the tablet school thing sounded like a good idea at first...has it taken a turn for the insane? |
| 19:10.01 | GAN800 | johnx_, krisse is totalky against having it in the wiki for some goddamn reason and now it seems the ONLY wiki she's familiar with is the itT one. |
| 19:10.14 | GAN800 | is losing his mind to the forums. |
| 19:10.28 | johnx | it kind of makes sense as an aggregated blog |
| 19:10.49 | johnx | should join in the fray and add totally new options for people to "discuss" :> |
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| 19:13.48 | GAN800 | johnx, nothing she's proposed is impossible on a wiki |
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| 19:14.07 | GAN800 | except for the crazy gatekeeoing she seems to want for some reason. |
| 19:14.42 | johnx | she's worried about exposing new users to inaccurate information I'm sure |
| 19:15.00 | johnx | same as when we were battling the "just enable redpill mode" people |
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| 19:15.53 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, all the more reason to have it on a wiki. |
| 19:16.00 | GeneralAntilles | As anybody can change it. |
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| 19:16.48 | GeneralAntilles | Which mostly means that people like me, X-Fade, Jaffa, etc. who check the recent changes every day will review it. |
| 19:17.26 | GeneralAntilles | Having a gateway doesn't guarantee that the people on the other side of the gate know what they're about. |
| 19:18.01 | johnx | I think there's a certain amount of "walled garden" thinking involved... |
| 19:18.06 | johnx | hmm, I wonder if submitting them to the wiki and having the best-of-the-best promoted to a blog style thing would make sense |
| 19:19.03 | GeneralAntilles | !!!! It's infected -developers, too! O_O |
| 19:19.18 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, see the Mer frontpage or GSoC |
| 19:19.34 | GeneralAntilles | Any sort of index is perfectly technically feasible on the wiki. |
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| 19:25.01 | Jaffa | sighs. |
| 19:25.21 | GeneralAntilles | Where did we go so wrong? |
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| 19:29.28 | johnx | prefers to frequent the more pleasant threads like tear 0.3.1 beta |
| 19:29.44 | GeneralAntilles | has to fight fires, unfortunately. |
| 19:29.48 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, so what are the symptoms when you lose your connection to comcast? |
| 19:30.02 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, cable modem seems to reset itself. |
| 19:30.03 | lcuk | the porn stops coming |
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| 19:30.17 | GeneralAntilles | Takes anywhere from 10 seconds to 10 minutes to reconnect. |
| 19:30.17 | slonopotamus | :D |
| 19:30.34 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, community growing pains :) |
| 19:30.34 | johnx | also: barn painting :D |
| 19:32.43 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, do you lose your dhcp lease on your router or not? |
| 19:32.53 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno |
| 19:33.17 | GeneralAntilles | I'm thinking so, but I haven't really payed close enough attention to tell. |
| 19:33.40 | johnx | watch next time. I also can't get a new lease during the time it's down |
| 19:33.55 | johnx | I think this might be a semi-deliberate practice :/ |
| 19:34.02 | GeneralAntilles | Comcast? |
| 19:34.05 | johnx | yeah |
| 19:34.08 | GeneralAntilles | You fucking know it's deliberate. |
| 19:34.19 | johnx | but my cable modem diagnostics are still saying it has a connection |
| 19:34.23 | GeneralAntilles | I'm canceling my account for the summer tomorrow anyway. |
| 19:34.32 | johnx | and moving to...? |
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| 19:34.45 | GeneralAntilles | Back home for the Summer. |
| 19:34.54 | GeneralAntilles | Where Brighthouse is the greatest ISP ever. ;) |
| 19:35.02 | johnx | ah, good deal then. thought you were going to dialup or something |
| 19:35.09 | johnx | wants to give speakeasy some money |
| 19:35.26 | GeneralAntilles | 20/2 with digital cable and phone for $120/mo. |
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| 19:35.58 | GeneralAntilles | evening, qgil. |
| 19:36.09 | qgil | hi there |
| 19:36.33 | johnx | hey qgil. thanks :) |
| 19:36.42 | qgil | Stskeeps lardman|lunch (interesting nick) and co |
| 19:37.02 | qgil | johnx: that you for your work |
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| 19:38.49 | qgil | anybody here familiar with http://wiki.maemo.org/Drivers_justification#PowerVR_MBX ? |
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| 19:39.21 | lbt | listens with interest.... |
| 19:39.53 | lcuk | qgil, hiya, it was simon and i that put the page together. |
| 19:40.06 | lcuk | ive not seen anyone really with knowledge of the actual chip |
| 19:40.16 | lcuk | but obviously theres people with omap3 experience |
| 19:40.44 | qgil | I don't know the technical details myself, but apparently there is a problem between MBX (Diablo-OMAP2) and XGL (Fremantle-OMAP3) |
| 19:41.29 | GeneralAntilles | SGX |
| 19:41.56 | lcuk | i believe raster has been examing the omap3 version a lot, maybe worth asking in #beagle |
| 19:42.00 | keesj | Âkate knew about some of the problems (and those where no only open-source related) |
| 19:42.36 | qgil | ah yes GeneralAntilles - and I see you talked about this: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2008-10-10.log.html |
| 19:43.32 | lbt | are you aware that Kate Alhola has been involved? http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/kate-alholas-forum-nokia-blog |
| 19:44.21 | GeneralAntilles | qgil, well, we know we can't use Fremantle's OpenGL stuff on OMAP2, but does that have anything to do with getting OMAP2 drivers? |
| 19:44.22 | qgil | if the existing driver for OMAP2 is mbx but the fremantle libraries are sgx, then apparently this means the current OMAP2 driver is of little use per se |
| 19:45.00 | johnx | yeah, unless we get mbx gl es libraries as well |
| 19:45.16 | johnx | but usually people consider those gl es libraries to be part of the "driver" |
| 19:45.31 | lcuk | how incompatible is the opengl stuff tho? surely theres a subset that both support well |
| 19:45.53 | lcuk | #or is this as big a chancge as introducing things like pixelshaders etc |
| 19:46.05 | johnx | lcuk, it has to do with the fact that the kernel level driver is just acting as a thin hardware interface and most of the work is done in the the gl es library (AFAIK) |
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| 19:46.19 | Stskeeps | johnx: yeah,, but world difference between a lib and kernel driver |
| 19:46.20 | lcuk | but thats the same on both? |
| 19:46.39 | Stskeeps | in terms of nmaintainabilty |
| 19:47.03 | qgil | anyway, I just wanted to know whether you were aware of this, now in May I will go for a second round with TI |
| 19:47.07 | lcuk | qgil, i thought you were on national holiday today |
| 19:47.12 | qgil | and I am |
| 19:47.15 | lcuk | heh |
| 19:47.16 | Stskeeps | lib can be closed src, eulaed, etc, kernel driver not too easily |
| 19:47.30 | lcuk | drink plenty of beer and keep away from swineflu |
| 19:47.31 | GeneralAntilles | waits for sjgadsby to drag up all of the theme-discussion threads on itT. |
| 19:48.05 | qgil | actually I just came here because I say Stskeeps 's nic post in the ITt thread |
| 19:48.23 | qgil | ... and now I vanish back to my long weekend :) |
| 19:48.26 | qgil | enjoy! |
| 19:48.33 | johnx | have fun qgil :) |
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| 19:59.51 | GeneralAntilles | sighs at "Maemo Council". |
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| 20:01.42 | GuySoft | Hey, what do you think about this? i got sugar running on maemo: http://guysoft.wordpress.com/2009/05/01/nokia-n810-running-olpc-sugar/ |
| 20:01.56 | johnx | that's awesome! |
| 20:02.02 | johnx | using a chroot? or just compiling packages? |
| 20:02.16 | StsN800 | woo |
| 20:02.19 | StsN800 | we e |
| 20:02.41 | StsN800 | were discussing it on mer the other day |
| 20:03.04 | GuySoft | chroot.. but it is native on arm.. so its not that slow |
| 20:03.14 | lcuk | GuySoft, AWESOME! |
| 20:03.17 | GuySoft | but not totally usable yet.. |
| 20:03.21 | lcuk | :D in no uncertain terms |
| 20:03.40 | GuySoft | ah hell, i forgot to add in the end you need an external keyboard |
| 20:03.57 | lcuk | the olpc is already built and designed to be as lightweight and cpu friendly as it can be |
| 20:04.25 | GuySoft | lcuk, it still needs 256 MB |
| 20:04.35 | lcuk | heh |
| 20:05.13 | johnx | even if this is just something fun to play with on current hardware, it will be serious on omap3 based stuff |
| 20:05.25 | GuySoft | lcuk, and i know that well, i have a pile of B2 laptops around here, they have 128MB and can only run older versions of sugar |
| 20:05.31 | johnx | how well did the UI scale to fit the screen? |
| 20:05.40 | keesj | GuySoft: so does mesh networking work? |
| 20:05.50 | GuySoft | johnx, yes.. OLPC's gui works with svgs.. so thats not a problem :) |
| 20:06.08 | johnx | grins |
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| 20:06.45 | GuySoft | Keesj, it can work in a telepathy/jabber network, but of course you wont get the mesh , in thorey it should work if you can get a network card in.. .but i am not sure how to do that |
| 20:06.52 | GuySoft | has no omap 3 :( |
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| 20:07.21 | dragorn | afaik you'll need to new open drivers that are being worked on in the kernel mainline |
| 20:07.24 | johnx | there are some interesting omap3 projects. that beagleboard MID to speak of one :) |
| 20:07.33 | johnx | the touchbook to name another |
| 20:07.35 | dragorn | s/to/the/ |
| 20:08.10 | johnx | GuySoft, neither do I, yet ... |
| 20:08.26 | GeneralAntilles | does, but is too lame to use it. |
| 20:08.56 | GuySoft | GeneralAntilles, send it over :P |
| 20:09.12 | johnx | same 128MB of RAM though on his... |
| 20:09.54 | keesj | did get himself a nice case for his beagle at queensday |
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| 20:14.10 | lcuk | keesj, pics |
| 20:15.45 | GuySoft | what pics? |
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| 20:22.51 | keesj | lcuk: not yet |
| 20:23.46 | keesj | but can't ever beat this one http://www.flickr.com/photos/51025379@N00/3394387445/ :p |
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| 20:24.37 | johnx | that is made of win in so many ways |
| 20:25.10 | johnx | wants a lego technics beagleboard laptop :D |
| 20:29.04 | lcuk | johnx, lego makes many things better |
| 20:29.13 | lcuk | that, and bacon |
| 20:29.34 | johnx | however, I posit that lego does not make bacon better |
| 20:29.37 | GeneralAntilles | I miss K'Nex |
| 20:29.47 | GuySoft | ... i dono.,. with the trees id say its an unstable version |
| 20:30.10 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, I liked those too. the vector version of lego (lego is obviously pixel based) |
| 20:32.35 | GeneralAntilles | I really don't like the new itT orange. |
| 20:32.39 | GeneralAntilles | looks like the old maemo.org orange |
| 20:34.29 | RST38h | has no problem with orange |
| 20:34.37 | RST38h | But the layout is atrocious |
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| 20:35.09 | johnx | RST38h, mainly font sizes? |
| 20:35.20 | RST38h | johnx: lots of wasted space |
| 20:35.48 | RST38h | johnx: starting with that right side column taking 1/3 of the page width for god knows what purpose |
| 20:36.16 | RST38h | johnx: ending with margins and strange insistance on showing each message in its own bubble |
| 20:36.58 | johnx | thinks people should hack up some quick css and install it in their browsers |
| 20:37.15 | RST38h | johnx: I think this has to be resolved by Reggie |
| 20:37.22 | Stskeeps | pondders if the mbx driver post was constructive - some people might misunderstand " vendor social contract largely inspired by the open attitude by Nokia when dealing with the tablets" as sarcasm |
| 20:37.39 | RST38h | BTW, the mobile layout schemes are gone so I can't even read ITT from my phone any more =( |
| 20:37.57 | johnx | RST38h, the tablet format doesn't work right on your phone? |
| 20:38.27 | RST38h | johnx: I have got a 352x416 display and plain GPRS |
| 20:38.53 | RST38h | johnx: So, no, none of the current schemes work, realistically |
| 20:38.59 | johnx | I thought the tablet theme might scale that low. guess not |
| 20:39.29 | RST38h | johnx: it loads 100kB+ of data to begin with |
| 20:39.32 | johnx | Stskeeps, good question. I hope most people realize that Nokia is being comparitively open |
| 20:39.58 | RST38h | johnx: And looks like shit after that =( |
| 20:40.01 | johnx | RST38h, reminds me of the time I got bored on a train and loaded engadget in opera mini. downloaded ~1MB |
| 20:40.12 | Stskeeps | just hope qgil didn't read it as sarcasm ;) |
| 20:40.18 | johnx | probably not |
| 20:40.36 | johnx | I think it's more likely to be read as sarcasm by the naturally cynical / terminally dissatisfied |
| 20:40.45 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 20:41.28 | johnx | also, dunno if you heard, but we'll have rm_you at the hackfest to work on adv backlight for fremantle and Mer :D |
| 20:41.49 | Stskeeps | yeah i did, fantastic:) |
| 20:42.38 | johnx | plus, maybe I can get some help on control panel applets from him :) |
| 20:43.04 | GeneralAntilles | Bizarre, bizarre itT. |
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| 20:45.26 | GeneralAntilles | I wonder who abused these people in their past that they have such insane trust issues. |
| 20:45.56 | johnx | Nokia in some cases |
| 20:46.11 | GeneralAntilles | Which has absolutely nothing to do with maemo.org |
| 20:46.32 | johnx | I think most still aren't getting the distinction |
| 20:46.49 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe if I explain it for the dozenth time. |
| 20:46.50 | johnx | and no, I really don't know how to get that across to them either |
| 20:47.10 | GeneralAntilles | It's like they willfully ignore everything that's said on the subject. |
| 20:47.14 | johnx | yes |
| 20:47.43 | johnx | because they have an opinion, and they're going to speak their mind dag'nabbit (sp?) :) |
| 20:48.07 | GeneralAntilles | They have a conspiracy theory and they're going to rant and rave about it. |
| 20:49.32 | johnx | once people have an explanation for something they strongly resist revising it. Witness: bigfoot, ufos, urban legends, superstitions, cargo cult solutions, windows net admins |
| 20:49.56 | johnx | it's psychology 101 (really, that's where I got it) |
| 20:50.39 | RST38h | thinks GA is overreacting to people who are overreacting |
| 20:50.57 | Proteous | I'm a windows net admin and I strongly endorse carrying around a small satchel of chicken bones to work your voodoo |
| 20:50.58 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, after so many months of insanity, it starts to wear thin. |
| 20:51.07 | GeneralAntilles | Unfortunately, I'm not really in a position to ignore it. |
| 20:51.21 | johnx | Proteous, no offense meant personally. :) I've just had some bad past experiences ... |
| 20:51.32 | Proteous | Oh, I totaly agree with you |
| 20:51.45 | Proteous | being a windows admin requires fucking magic |
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| 20:51.59 | johnx | I think windows breads a certain mystical attitude towards problem solving |
| 20:52.05 | johnx | s/breads/breeds/ |
| 20:52.10 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 20:52.12 | Proteous | and all sorts of wierd shit that makes no sense but you just have to belive in it |
| 20:52.25 | johnx | <- and unix breeds a dependence on tab completion |
| 20:52.54 | GeneralAntilles | It'd be nice if we could cut down the number of words in the English language to make tab-completion more feasible. |
| 20:53.17 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, nope, we need longer words that start unambiguously :) |
| 20:58.05 | johnx | jeez the wimax n810s are going for a lot ... |
| 20:58.26 | GeneralAntilles | Apparently people like black and orange. |
| 20:58.40 | johnx | or hold out hope for further wimax deployments |
| 20:58.47 | GeneralAntilles | goodluckwiththat |
| 20:58.54 | johnx | yeah |
| 20:58.56 | GeneralAntilles | Would it even work with non Xohm? |
| 20:59.09 | johnx | in Europe, probably not |
| 20:59.23 | johnx | in whatever is the future of the xohm network? probably |
| 20:59.33 | johnx | did they ever fix the oregon network? |
| 21:01.10 | elninja__ | My n810 seems a little looser on the right side than the left, when the keyboard is slid out... The top/bottom half jiggle a little on the right, but not on the left... Is this normal, or is it a sign that my device was poorly assembled and may have future problems? |
| 21:01.48 | suihkulokki | people think that wimax is just like wifi (fast and free), but with better coverage |
| 21:02.00 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 21:02.35 | jeremiah_ | I still think WiMax will lose to LTE. |
| 21:02.36 | GeneralAntilles | I hope the RX-51 is better put together than the N810. |
| 21:03.06 | johnx | jeremiah_, so do I at this point. but I think there might be room for competition with fixed broadband in rural areas |
| 21:03.42 | jeremiah_ | johnx: Yeah, I suppose that might be an excellent way to use it. |
| 21:03.55 | jeremiah_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.58 | johnx | clearwire is doing that already with their draft-wimax network |
| 21:04.15 | elninja__ | GeneralAntilles, are you saying things like i noticed are common? |
| 21:04.20 | jeremiah_ | Here in 'telecom alley', they abandoned WiMax a while ago. |
| 21:04.22 | johnx | it's only compatible with their own branded wimax adapters though AFAIK |
| 21:04.30 | GeneralAntilles | elninja__, no, just an idle observation. |
| 21:05.01 | elninja__ | ah |
| 21:05.18 | jeremiah_ | johnx: That is total FAIL - they have to support off the shelf stuff to succeed. |
| 21:05.51 | jeremiah_ | elninja__: I think my N810 is pretty well engineered frankly. I surprised to hear you are having problems. |
| 21:05.52 | johnx | jeremiah_, I dunno. if they're replacing/competing with DSL/cable service people kind of expect a "rent the modem" scenario |
| 21:05.53 | Jaffa | wonders about checking ITT/talk again before bed. |
| 21:05.53 | suihkulokki | yeah, wimax (or rather, the fixed point variant of it) will be usefull for rural broadband |
| 21:06.04 | suihkulokki | but only when you put a wimax antenna on your roof |
| 21:06.08 | Jaffa | It's only going to depress me, isn't it (but Stskeeps' post talk intrigues me) |
| 21:06.13 | jeremiah_ | johnx: True, that is definitely true. |
| 21:06.42 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I wasn't able to spot Stskeeps' post, just go to bed and save the depression. |
| 21:06.43 | johnx | but yeah, they really need to get their network updated to the real wimax/mobile wimax standard |
| 21:06.58 | jeremiah_ | Runs to read Stskeeps' talk post. |
| 21:07.03 | johnx | I just think they are seeing a lot of cost and no immediate benefit |
| 21:07.51 | Jaffa | Wonderfully constructive new poll "Should talk.maemo.org create and support a dark theme like the original ITT?". |
| 21:08.17 | lcuk | #my only problem with themes is having to be logged in |
| 21:10.42 | jeremiah_ | Jaffa: Yeah - I can't find Stskeeps' post either, URL? |
| 21:11.48 | GeneralAntilles | is starving to death. |
| 21:12.46 | johnx | the one on cost of enabling the MBX? |
| 21:12.49 | johnx | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=283003#post283003 |
| 21:12.56 | luke-jr_ | http://dashjr.org/maps/wifi/ |
| 21:14.52 | Jaffa | wonders if SD69 is particularly pissed off as he's not been invited to be a mod. |
| 21:15.46 | elninja__ | jeremiah_, well, I haven't had problems yet. I've only had it 1 day so far, but I noticed that it feels more fragile than I was expecting from new unit.(especially with the sliding mechanism) so far I am really interested in what I can do with the device once I get some time to play with the SDK. I've been burned in the past with devices that failed due to manufacturing defects, and don't want to do something that may void my warr |
| 21:15.46 | elninja__ | anty when I may need to use it. |
| 21:16.01 | Jaffa | Ah, yeah - I saw Stskeeps' post on Weds. Good post indeed, Stskeeps++ |
| 21:16.38 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, either way, I sure aint inviting him. ;) |
| 21:16.50 | Jaffa | also wonders if qgil moderating the thread is going to help matters ;-) |
| 21:17.04 | jeremiah_ | Stskeeps++ |
| 21:17.18 | lcuk | click the thanks button in itt lol |
| 21:17.27 | lcuk | we havent incorporated irc thanks yet ;) |
| 21:17.31 | Jaffa | Indeed |
| 21:17.43 | jeremiah_ | elninja__: Yeah, I think you will be pleasantly surprised by the quality and the usefulness of the device. :) At least I was and I hope you are too. |
| 21:18.21 | GeneralAntilles | ~Stskeeps++ |
| 21:18.27 | lcuk | heh |
| 21:18.32 | GeneralAntilles | ~karma Stskeeps |
| 21:18.32 | infobot | stskeeps has karma of 1 |
| 21:18.51 | lcuk | would anyone apart from you remember to put the ~ before |
| 21:18.54 | jeremiah_ | Stskeeps++ |
| 21:18.56 | jeremiah_ | Stskeeps++ |
| 21:18.59 | GeneralAntilles | ~karma Stskeeps |
| 21:18.59 | infobot | stskeeps has karma of 1 |
| 21:19.02 | GeneralAntilles | ~Stskeeps++ |
| 21:19.08 | jeremiah_ | Must.increase.his.karma |
| 21:19.13 | GeneralAntilles | ~karma Stskeeps |
| 21:19.13 | infobot | stskeeps has karma of 2 |
| 21:19.22 | jeremiah_ | ~jeremiah |
| 21:19.28 | jeremiah_ | ~jeremiah karma |
| 21:19.31 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 21:19.35 | jeremiah_ | I hate you infobot |
| 21:19.37 | GeneralAntilles | slaps jeremiah_ with the bot manual. |
| 21:19.42 | jeremiah_ | Ouch! |
| 21:19.46 | jeremiah_ | :=) |
| 21:19.48 | GeneralAntilles | andre__! |
| 21:20.05 | elninja__ | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17026 <-- cool. I guess this is normal... should have googled it earlier |
| 21:20.51 | lcuk | so 4 people agree and its "normal" |
| 21:20.55 | lcuk | do you have a clue? |
| 21:20.58 | GeneralAntilles | We need mods who can split threads. |
| 21:21.45 | elninja__ | lcuk, please enlighten me |
| 21:22.15 | luke-jr_ | ugh |
| 21:22.19 | luke-jr_ | boycotts ITT |
| 21:22.24 | lcuk | well so far a few people in the world have swine flu, the way the media is reporting its as if we all have it |
| 21:22.29 | lcuk | thats like your observation |
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| 21:24.34 | luke-jr_ | http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/snapshot42.png |
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| 21:25.18 | Jaffa | lcuk: Obviously one or more of those people may have accounts on ITT, so I reckon swine flu is an attempt by the maemo.org overlords (am I one?) to take over ITT |
| 21:25.54 | lbt | who does irc karma? |
| 21:26.10 | Jaffa | considers starting a poll "Who finds themselves coming to these forums less after all the inane whining, rather than constructive action, over the change in theme?" - but that's probably not going to help |
| 21:26.39 | lbt | wonders if #mer is part of the maemo community ;) |
| 21:26.49 | jeremiah_ | Jaffa: Probably not -- but everyone involved should know they did a good job. |
| 21:26.52 | elninja__ | lcuk, I came in here to ask if anyone else had experienced this. I was hoping somebody would have some info. I googled it, and on the first page were several mentions of this problem. that thread was one of them where 4 out of 4 of the posts noticed this same quirk on their device. my statement about how I should have googled it was because I can found more info on it there than I did here. |
| 21:26.59 | jeremiah_ | I think th new site looks good. |
| 21:26.59 | lcuk | #mer is the technical part of the community at this point :) |
| 21:27.06 | lbt | agreees with Jaffa and is put of iTT by the bickering... |
| 21:27.18 | lcuk | im put off by the brightness |
| 21:27.21 | Jaffa | ~jeremiah_++ |
| 21:27.24 | lcuk | and lack of focus |
| 21:27.29 | Jaffa | s/focus/bacon/ |
| 21:27.33 | qwerty12_N800 | sjgadsby would be an awesme itT mod IMHO |
| 21:27.45 | lcuk | heh |
| 21:27.46 | Jaffa | qwerty12_N800: seen his twitter status? |
| 21:27.50 | qwerty12_N800 | *awesome |
| 21:27.55 | qwerty12_N800 | Jaffa: nope :) |
| 21:28.22 | lcuk | elninja__, ive got 2 n810s here and the slide out drawer acts just the same as it does on both and as on my slider phones and on my kitchen drawers |
| 21:28.23 | Jaffa | qwerty12_N800: http://twitter.com/sjgadsby/status/1672748359 |
| 21:28.37 | lbt | elninja__: actually your sample is such that all you've identified is that you're not alone... OTOH, given the quick response that means it's likely a design feature .... don't worry but keep an eye on it |
| 21:28.55 | luke-jr_ | Jaffa: put the poll somewhere off ITT, so those of us who don't go to ITT can vote |
| 21:29.25 | lbt | my keyboard is absolutely rock solid though |
| 21:29.29 | Jaffa | luke-jr_: The only obvious place is maemo.org, but that'd just feed the conspiracy |
| 21:29.34 | jeremiah_ | Ooh, ooh, I wanna follow andre__ on Twitter! |
| 21:29.36 | lcuk | if i knew how to make a poll i would make a poll asking people what poll they want to post in |
| 21:29.40 | jeremiah_ | What is his handle? |
| 21:29.48 | qwerty12_N800 | Jaffa: lol, thanks for the link... |
| 21:29.52 | Jaffa | is now, honestly, looking forward to 2 weeks camping and avoiding all this stupidity. |
| 21:29.58 | luke-jr_ | heh |
| 21:30.01 | jeremiah_ | lcuk: Face it, you would ask about liqbase. :) |
| 21:30.02 | lcuk | where u camping jaffa |
| 21:30.06 | johnx | lcuk, I liked the "Do you vote in polls?" poll. I think "No" won ... |
| 21:30.14 | luke-jr_ | well, maybe someone should have checked that the design actually works before deploying it |
| 21:30.19 | lcuk | jeremiah_, not at all i do that enough face to face :) |
| 21:30.25 | Jaffa | lcuk: Normandy (well, camping ~= static Eurocamp caravan) |
| 21:30.32 | luke-jr_ | Jaffa: maemo.org is somewhat broken too |
| 21:30.33 | johnx | luke-jr_, fine. I'll bite: What doesn't it work on? |
| 21:31.00 | luke-jr_ | johnx: the top-menu thing is screwed up across both sites |
| 21:31.07 | jeremiah_ | Jaffa: Cool! You're in France? Vive la France! |
| 21:31.08 | luke-jr_ | for ITT, the actual posts are on like page 3 |
| 21:31.14 | luke-jr_ | http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/snapshot42.png |
| 21:31.19 | johnx | luke-jr_, did you submit a bug report? |
| 21:31.28 | luke-jr_ | johnx: nope |
| 21:31.38 | GeneralAntilles | Yeesh, broken browser. |
| 21:31.47 | johnx | luke-jr_, why? |
| 21:31.47 | luke-jr_ | GeneralAntilles: most standards-compliant browser on the market |
| 21:32.13 | lcuk | shame the websites dont follow standards |
| 21:32.15 | Jaffa | jeremiah_: Oui, je peut parle un petit peu de francais, mais "mon fils as une allegee aux oeufs et aux lait" est difficile |
| 21:32.21 | johnx | is that arora? |
| 21:32.25 | luke-jr_ | johnx: Konqueror |
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| 21:32.54 | lcuk | i get to see my finger tomorrow :O |
| 21:33.18 | GeneralAntilles | It's going to have turned into a butterfly. |
| 21:33.25 | luke-jr_ | LOL |
| 21:33.33 | lcuk | im hoping for a stylus tip tbh |
| 21:34.13 | lcuk | its gonna hurt like a bitch when they take stitches out :'( |
| 21:34.19 | Jaffa | lcuk: heh |
| 21:35.04 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, pic or it didn't happen. |
| 21:35.10 | johnx | luke-jr_, is there a reason you came to IRC to complain instead of filing a bug report? |
| 21:35.20 | luke-jr_ | johnx: IRC was open |
| 21:35.23 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/fingerfriendly.jpg |
| 21:35.29 | lcuk | thats the worksafe one :) |
| 21:35.33 | lcuk | i have the actual photos |
| 21:35.52 | lcuk | and im taking camera tomorrow :$ |
| 21:35.57 | jeremiah_ | Jaffa: Merde! |
| 21:36.20 | jeremiah_ | But I think allegee means "frozen underpants" |
| 21:36.21 | lcuk | johnx, its 10000000000% easier moaning in irc, we know that already |
| 21:36.26 | jeremiah_ | I could be mistaken. |
| 21:36.46 | jeremiah_ | Still, if you don't like eggs and milk, you're SOL in France. |
| 21:37.20 | GeneralAntilles | I want to work on Bugzilla. :( |
| 21:37.32 | Jaffa | jeremiah_: true (on all counts, I *think* allergée is correct; but will check ;-)) |
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| 21:37.39 | Jaffa | will, fortunately, only have to speak & listen. |
| 21:37.49 | Jaffa | "Grande biere, s'il vous plait" :-) |
| 21:37.59 | Jaffa | "Une bouteille du vin rouge" |
| 21:38.00 | lcuk | even i understand that :D |
| 21:38.19 | lcuk | normally needs translations into northern |
| 21:38.55 | Jaffa | "Bottl' of best, Betty" |
| 21:38.59 | Jaffa | "...and a pie" |
| 21:39.57 | lcuk | no bacon? |
| 21:40.04 | Jaffa | Chicken and bacon pie ;-) |
| 21:40.11 | luke-jr_ | johnx: didn't expect an actual answer? :p |
| 21:40.19 | jeremiah_ | Merci a vous Madame. |
| 21:40.28 | jeremiah_ | Ceci delicieux. |
| 21:40.42 | Jaffa | jeremiah_: tres bien |
| 21:40.49 | johnx | luke-jr_, so out of curiosity, what does konqueror get on the acid test these days? |
| 21:40.49 | jeremiah_ | C'est quai? Une chien? |
| 21:40.52 | jeremiah_ | MERDE! |
| 21:40.59 | GeneralAntilles | You crazy people want #maemo-fr. :P |
| 21:41.14 | Jaffa | jeremiah_: all your French seems to conclude with swear words ;-) |
| 21:41.21 | luke-jr_ | johnx: the highest score |
| 21:41.43 | jeremiah_ | Jaffa: Well, you know, they are the easiest to learn. =) |
| 21:41.47 | luke-jr_ | Firefox 3.0.10: 71/100 |
| 21:41.47 | johnx | luke-jr_, webkit gets 100/100. Are you saying konqueror gets higher? :P |
| 21:41.55 | luke-jr_ | Konqueror 4.2.2: 87/100 |
| 21:42.08 | luke-jr_ | Opera 9.64: 85/100 |
| 21:42.14 | luke-jr_ | Safari 3.2.2: 75/100 |
| 21:42.23 | luke-jr_ | johnx: Scm versions don't count ;) |
| 21:42.36 | johnx | luke-jr_, even if they're part of a released browser? |
| 21:42.37 | luke-jr_ | I don't use scm KDE |
| 21:42.44 | luke-jr_ | johnx: what released browser? |
| 21:42.50 | Jaffa | jeremiah_: c'est vrai |
| 21:42.54 | luke-jr_ | Wikipedia has Safari 3.2.2 as latest Webkit |
| 21:43.00 | luke-jr_ | oh, sorry |
| 21:43.05 | luke-jr_ | Chrome 1.0: 79/100 |
| 21:43.22 | Jaffa | jeremiah_: Google says "allergique" FWIW |
| 21:44.47 | johnx | luke-jr_, heh. just watched tear on my n800 get 96/100 |
| 21:44.54 | luke-jr_ | wtf is tear |
| 21:45.05 | johnx | let me send you a link to the thread on itt |
| 21:45.15 | luke-jr_ | johnx: I won't read it if it's on ITT |
| 21:45.26 | jeremiah_ | Jaffa: I suspected alergee was a bit of Franglais. :) |
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| 21:45.30 | johnx | try a working browser that's standards compliant like arora |
| 21:45.41 | johnx | or file a bug report |
| 21:45.49 | johnx | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28539&highlight=tear |
| 21:45.53 | luke-jr_ | johnx: ah, so ITT is officially only supported in non-released browsers? |
| 21:46.07 | jeremiah_ | Yeah, try a working browser like friggin' pork-sandwich. |
| 21:46.28 | Jaffa | luke-jr_: Don't be dramatic; it works in firefox - there's obviously a glitch. It's hardly personal ;-) |
| 21:46.37 | luke-jr_ | Firefox sucks ;) |
| 21:47.00 | jeremiah_ | The Interwebs hate me. |
| 21:47.02 | Jaffa | At a first glance, my opinion of Konqueror's not much better ;-) |
| 21:47.09 | jeremiah_ | That I know for sure. |
| 21:47.17 | GeneralAntilles | jeremiah_, >:| |
| 21:47.17 | Jaffa | jeremiah_: They're powered by computers, right? They all hate me. |
| 21:47.34 | jeremiah_ | GeneralAntilles: Uh oh. |
| 21:47.53 | GeneralAntilles | Technology is the worst. |
| 21:47.57 | jeremiah_ | Is that emoticon meant to mean; "I am very disappointed in you."? |
| 21:48.03 | johnx | luke-jr_, it works on basically *every* other browser besides konqueror. what is the most likely explanation here? |
| 21:48.16 | luke-jr_ | every other browser has a bug that it abuses? ;) |
| 21:48.29 | luke-jr_ | or it has a bug that every other browser fails to expose |
| 21:48.30 | GeneralAntilles | jeremiah_, that's the internets hating you. :P |
| 21:48.35 | johnx | luke-jr_, I'm ignoring you now |
| 21:48.45 | luke-jr_ | the latter case is pretty common, actually |
| 21:49.02 | jeremiah_ | GeneralAntilles: Phew! I thought you were mad at me. |
| 21:49.17 | luke-jr_ | johnx: most other browsers do undefined behaviour the same |
| 21:49.30 | luke-jr_ | Konqueror doesn't define undefined behaviour |
| 21:50.00 | johnx | luke-jr_, why don't you *file a bug* |
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| 21:50.28 | luke-jr_ | johnx: maybe I will |
| 21:50.32 | luke-jr_ | at least bugs.maemo.org works |
| 21:50.44 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, things should work or they should be fixed by telepathy, duh. |
| 21:53.26 | luke-jr_ | GeneralAntilles: is there an update to telepathy fixing that Jabber bug? |
| 21:59.55 | GeneralAntilles | Seems like the reason most people hate orange is because they've got crappy LCDs. |
| 22:01.16 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, so the answer is to send out new LCDs with the theme :) |
| 22:01.28 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, I'm totally into Nokia paying for that. |
| 22:01.33 | luke-jr_ | lol |
| 22:01.34 | GeneralAntilles | IPS, please! |
| 22:01.50 | johnx | not at the expense of sending people to hackfests/summits :P |
| 22:02.04 | johnx | or sending people development machines O_o; |
| 22:02.10 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, I was thinking at the expense of S60, personally. |
| 22:02.21 | johnx | ok, works for me |
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| 22:04.29 | GeneralAntilles | I'm kinda excited about the N97, now. |
| 22:04.43 | GeneralAntilles | Assuming the low-end processor brings a lower price tag |
| 22:04.55 | johnx | heh |
| 22:04.56 | Stskeeps | why all the highlights? :P |
| 22:05.23 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps |
| 22:05.28 | luke-jr_ | Stskeeps: are you highlighting on "I"? |
| 22:05.40 | svu | does anyone know how to get the location (supplied by carman) from jabber? |
| 22:05.41 | johnx | Stskeeps, that's what happens when you say something people agree with. |
| 22:05.56 | luke-jr_ | svu: eh? |
| 22:06.00 | Stskeeps | luke-jr_: no, stskeeps or sts |
| 22:06.20 | gnuton | Hi there! |
| 22:06.51 | svu | luke-jr_, carman is using my jabber account. I presume it is able to share my location, isn't it? So I would love to know how to use that feature |
| 22:07.29 | luke-jr_ | svu: I wouldn't assume that XD |
| 22:08.50 | svu | luke-jr_, what is XD? |
| 22:08.54 | luke-jr_ | ⦠|
| 22:09.19 | GeneralAntilles | svu, memory card format. ;) |
| 22:09.39 | luke-jr_ | sigh |
| 22:09.41 | svu | brrr. I am lost |
| 22:09.42 | GeneralAntilles | svu, first definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XD |
| 22:10.20 | svu | what does my question about carman have to do with card format? |
| 22:10.55 | luke-jr_ | nothing |
| 22:11.01 | svu | oops, I am just slow. It was just a smile, I guess:) |
| 22:11.33 | svu | well, anyway, what exactly carman is doing in jabber. other than logging in? |
| 22:12.01 | GeneralAntilles | svu, maybe try #canola |
| 22:12.06 | GeneralAntilles | Although they're probably idle at the moment. |
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| 22:12.12 | svu | why not.... |
| 22:12.14 | GeneralAntilles | Or there's the Carman mailing list. |
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| 22:12.57 | luke-jr_ | svu: do you REALLY want the world to know where you are constantly? |
| 22:12.58 | GeneralAntilles | http://carman.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 22:13.22 | svu | luke-jr_, well, my friends can have that info. why not? |
| 22:13.37 | svu | (when I gps on, of course) |
| 22:14.13 | svu | and when I am late, that is a good alibi for my wife:)) |
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| 22:14.56 | luke-jr_ | i c |
| 22:15.21 | svu | just invented that kind of usage. really cool feature imho! |
| 22:16.15 | luke-jr_ | patent it? |
| 22:16.29 | svu | sure |
| 22:16.34 | luke-jr_ | aww |
| 22:16.37 | luke-jr_ | can I have a license plz? |
| 22:16.48 | svu | we'll negotiate it later:) |
| 22:16.51 | luke-jr_ | :/ |
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| 22:34.10 | paul0 | how do i find out which mobile phones i can use as modem for N800? |
| 22:34.34 | GeneralAntilles | Basically anything that reasonably supports DUN. |
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| 22:35.47 | johnx | list here, but it's far from complete: http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_network_enabled_cell_phones |
| 22:35.55 | johnx | also, it might vary by carrier for branded phones |
| 22:36.35 | paul0 | thanks :) |
| 22:36.48 | paul0 | i've found the Samsung Zv30, which has bluetooth and support 3G |
| 22:37.10 | johnx | if it can tether to anything else, chances are good it can tether to the n8x0 |
| 22:38.44 | paul0 | hm.. |
| 22:40.56 | paul0 | anyway, 3G is quite expensive here, maybe i'll just get some GPRS enabled mobile |
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| 22:55.54 | Jaffa | paul0: here == ? |
| 22:56.40 | paul0 | Jaffa, yes |
| 22:57.39 | paul0 | oh |
| 22:57.43 | paul0 | Jaffa, here == Brazil |
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| 22:59.13 | GeneralAntilles | luke-jr_, you're kidding, right? |
| 22:59.25 | luke-jr_ | GeneralAntilles: ? |
| 22:59.33 | GeneralAntilles | That's not a bug report, that's a joke. |
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| 22:59.46 | GeneralAntilles | You expect whoever you want to fix this for you to just guess what browser you're using? |
| 23:00.03 | luke-jr_ | it's on the stupid titlebar |
| 23:00.16 | GeneralAntilles | It's really not. |
| 23:00.44 | luke-jr_ | wtf |
| 23:00.49 | luke-jr_ | it was for me :/ |
| 23:00.57 | luke-jr_ | weird |
| 23:01.08 | Jaffa | paul0: Ah, OK :) The specific place might have people here who could help :) |
| 23:01.17 | luke-jr_ | mayeb I need to report a bug for KSnapshot too |
| 23:01.21 | luke-jr_ | but how the heck did it do that? :/ |
| 23:01.45 | johnx | you also need to actually provide a description of the problem, and a proper title |
| 23:02.05 | Jaffa | And if the bug report for KSnapshot's buggered, you'll have to report a bug against your browser... and that way recursive madness will lie ;-) |
| 23:02.26 | luke-jr_ | XD |
| 23:02.28 | johnx | luke-jr_, seriously, this is the perfect way to make sure your bug isn't given any attention |
| 23:03.52 | luke-jr_ | hum |
| 23:04.07 | luke-jr_ | I can reproduce one minor part of the bug in Firefox 3.1 ;) |
| 23:05.21 | luke-jr_ | FWIW, Marble is not usable for driving |
| 23:11.56 | GAN800 | Awesome, more Nokia conspiracies |
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| 23:17.03 | Jaffa | Yup. |
| 23:17.36 | johnx | I'd like to hear Nokia's conspiracy theories about the community for once. It's the side of the story that's never examined |
| 23:17.56 | Jaffa | heh |
| 23:18.18 | Jaffa | Sit in one of the "let's just ship a bug fix containing this patch we got from the community" meetings. |
| 23:18.21 | GeneralAntilles | Damn, how the hell do I hg clone MXR/ |
| 23:18.23 | Jaffa | Bound to be loads of them ;-) |
| 23:21.14 | lcuk | if the patch is for a codebase the nokian engineers know and can verify i really dont see it as a problem |
| 23:21.39 | Jaffa | lcuk: That's because you're part of the conspiracy, dude! |
| 23:21.46 | lcuk | lol |
| 23:22.27 | Jaffa | Bloody maemo.org/midgard falls over when you ask for the last page (599 according to the page) of the profile list. |
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| 23:33.35 | Jaffa | beds as the firestorm on ITT settles down (go Reggie!) |
| 23:33.45 | Jaffa | [shock: it wasn't a conspiracy] |
| 23:37.57 | roope | The new theme is a lot nicer than the old one. Blah for the bickering. :) |
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| 23:38.27 | roope | People just hate change in general. |
| 23:39.03 | lcuk | roope, it was less the colors and more the meta info gettin in the way - thats been tweaked now and i can invert my eyes and cope ;) |
| 23:42.05 | GeneralAntilles | roope, hey, if they hate this, it's looking like they'll end up loving Maemo 5. ;) |
| 23:42.35 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, so, will we have another maemo.org color change to match maemo 5? :D |
| 23:42.45 | GeneralAntilles | I sure as hell hope not. |
| 23:42.48 | roope | Maemo 5 will be invisible. |
| 23:42.52 | GeneralAntilles | This one was painful enough. |
| 23:42.58 | GeneralAntilles | roope, ah, going after the blind market? ;) |
| 23:43.10 | roope | With a huge d-pad. |
| 23:43.14 | johnx | hopefully now we can keep the same layout and people can make themes |
| 23:43.21 | GeneralAntilles | I'd love to see that braille ebook reader. |
| 23:43.29 | johnx | I'd love to see a decent d-pad |
| 23:44.04 | luke-jr_ | roope: the new theme is broken |
| 23:44.26 | roope | Well, making it darker won't fix anything. |
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| 23:44.37 | GeneralAntilles | roope, his browser doesn't like it, apparently. |
| 23:45.10 | johnx | luke-jr_, how's that bug coming along? |
| 23:49.15 | GeneralAntilles | Who the hell thinks Wikipedia is hard to navigate? :\ |
| 23:58.37 | Proteous | who navigates on wikipedia? |
| 23:58.48 | Proteous | I just go to a page from google |
| 23:58.59 | Proteous | google is my wiki guide |
