| 00:00.10 | MoonTiger | holy crap!! looks *very* cool |
| 00:00.29 | lcuk | its all in c.. |
| 00:01.56 | lcuk | since then all the liqbase kinetics have been put in palce and obviously the sketch editor is back (hence the sketching calendar) |
| 00:02.45 | lcuk | that calendar scrolls for 2 years currently and dynamically loads any content it discovers for a day |
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| 00:10.27 | MoonTiger | and its all in a lib that can be used in other apps? |
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| 00:11.36 | lcuk | MoonTiger, if the app is written with liqbase in mind it can run as an applet within the larger desktop, or be compiled into a standalone exe and run on its own |
| 00:11.56 | MoonTiger | nice! |
| 00:12.11 | lcuk | so, yes, with slight strings attached because i prefer the all in one approach but need to keep it feasible to use otherwise |
| 00:12.29 | lcuk | the calendar makefile currently produces 2 binaries |
| 00:12.41 | lcuk | liqcalendar itself and liqcalendar.so |
| 00:12.57 | lcuk | the .so is used in the greater desktp and the binary is just run |
| 00:14.00 | MoonTiger | *nods* |
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| 00:14.59 | lcuk | MoonTiger, i love the fact its just gonna gracefully upgrade and work on both 8x0 and whatever else we throw at it |
| 00:15.21 | MoonTiger | are you working on the freemantle stuff yet? |
| 00:15.34 | lcuk | from a performance standpoint on my 700mhz x86 laptop its rendeirng is so quick! |
| 00:15.54 | lcuk | why do i need to? :D |
| 00:16.07 | MoonTiger | just curious ... are you going to in the future? |
| 00:16.28 | lcuk | yeah of course :) |
| 00:16.41 | lcuk | ill need to check if theres gonna be technical bugs etc |
| 00:16.49 | lcuk | but i dont doubt the performance |
| 00:17.35 | lcuk | developing it to run well on 8x0 has been the best thing i couldv done |
| 00:17.47 | MoonTiger | i see that |
| 00:18.10 | lcuk | i am so pleased that i now have a decent base that does what i ask it :) |
| 00:18.40 | MoonTiger | how did you do the kinetic stuff? |
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| 00:19.44 | lcuk | kinetic just takes the last viable vector from a mouse stroke and for every frame adjusts location in the right direction |
| 00:20.02 | MoonTiger | so you rolled your own? |
| 00:20.02 | lcuk | and decrements the vector until its faded |
| 00:20.15 | lcuk | the entire system is built from the ground up |
| 00:20.26 | MoonTiger | ahhhhhhhhhhhh old school :) |
| 00:20.27 | lcuk | i started with a blank bitmap :) |
| 00:22.25 | lcuk | these are the current dev testing modules in use: http://liqbase.net/liq.20090412_230229.lib.holymoly.png |
| 00:24.23 | MoonTiger | look cool |
| 00:25.21 | lcuk | actually lol thats quite old |
| 00:25.36 | MoonTiger | i have to get some sleep now but i'll be on more now i have net |
| 00:25.43 | MoonTiger | laterz :) |
| 00:25.48 | lcuk | ok moony :) gnite |
| 00:25.57 | MoonTiger | :) |
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| 01:04.13 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, added the Talk component. |
| 01:20.55 | Shadow__X | has nokia hinted about the next n serious |
| 01:21.03 | GeneralAntilles | ~rx-51 |
| 01:21.03 | infobot | i heard rx-51 is http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/ http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9093153240.html |
| 01:21.06 | GeneralAntilles | What we know ^ |
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| 01:24.34 | aspect | I've just flashed my n800 using flasher-3.0 with RX-34_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, and it is booting to the white "nokia" screen and no further |
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| 01:25.40 | GeneralAntilles | aspect, flash it again? |
| 01:26.05 | Shadow__X | i def wouldnt mind getting the new one if thats correct |
| 01:26.15 | Shadow__X | because i love the n810 just wish it was faster |
| 01:26.30 | Shadow__X | also streaming destroys mobile devices so that would be nice |
| 01:26.36 | GeneralAntilles | Expect AT LEAST a 2x speed up on OMAP3 hardware. |
| 01:26.50 | Shadow__X | ouuu i like the sound of that |
| 01:26.57 | Shadow__X | if its in the same price bracket |
| 01:27.02 | Shadow__X | around 300 ill def get it |
| 01:27.09 | GeneralAntilles | It'll be much, much faster with accelerated 3D and video decoding |
| 01:27.15 | Shadow__X | awesome |
| 01:27.17 | GeneralAntilles | It wont start at $300 |
| 01:27.22 | Shadow__X | 400? |
| 01:27.22 | GeneralAntilles | None of the tablets have started at $300 |
| 01:27.30 | Shadow__X | i bought mine for 360 |
| 01:27.31 | GeneralAntilles | N810 started at $479 |
| 01:27.35 | Shadow__X | hmm k |
| 01:27.47 | Shadow__X | so when it gets released i can wait for price drops |
| 01:28.10 | Shadow__X | but i would def love the new one esp if i can stream vids to it |
| 01:28.12 | GeneralAntilles | Assuming a Summer release, you can probably expect some moderate drops around Christmas. |
| 01:28.37 | Shadow__X | is there a release date |
| 01:28.39 | Shadow__X | or thought of one? |
| 01:28.45 | GeneralAntilles | No, it hasn't been announced. |
| 01:28.47 | GeneralAntilles | Summer is my bet. |
| 01:28.57 | Shadow__X | hmm thats good |
| 01:29.30 | aspect | GeneralAntilles: worked like a charm this time; thanks :) |
| 01:29.44 | GeneralAntilles | aspect, sometimes it flubs up weirdly. |
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| 01:36.49 | GeneralAntilles | Evening, konttori_. |
| 01:37.06 | konttori_ | evening - cannot sleep |
| 01:37.08 | konttori_ | ;( |
| 01:37.44 | GeneralAntilles | We may just be boring enough to put you to sleep. :P |
| 01:37.51 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, theres a typo in the default assignee for Talk |
| 01:38.39 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, oops. Reggie's got 3 accounts. |
| 01:38.42 | GeneralAntilles | Picked the wrong one, I guess. |
| 01:39.43 | andre__ | sounds like i should merge them :-) |
| 01:40.23 | andre__ | ah. thanks |
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| 01:42.17 | andre__ | merged. |
| 01:42.52 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks |
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| 02:27.17 | AndrewFBlack | Hello |
| 02:27.34 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, AndrewFBlack. |
| 02:27.51 | GeneralAntilles | So when's the new Minimalistic coming to appease the angry masses? |
| 02:28.27 | AndrewFBlack | Well I'm still on hold on coding until Reggie sends me the most upto Date copy I lost mine and one on testing site is old |
| 02:28.39 | GeneralAntilles | Oops |
| 02:28.47 | AndrewFBlack | Also wasn't sure if we were keeping it until now |
| 02:29.53 | AndrewFBlack | but it shouldn't take long to do once I start mainly just color changes besides new header and I think I need a better menu option |
| 02:31.20 | AndrewFBlack | I'm not sure what I did but Reggie hasn't replyed to my in email or PM or on Forums in a long time |
| 02:31.20 | GeneralAntilles | Kill the rounded edges that bring Tear to tears. |
| 02:31.35 | GeneralAntilles | How long since you last showered? :P |
| 02:32.11 | AndrewFBlack | lol I guess to long |
| 02:32.21 | GeneralAntilles | That might explain it. ;) |
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| 02:32.42 | AndrewFBlack | You know I don't have time for that kind of stuff |
| 02:33.35 | AndrewFBlack | Yeah I didn't even know it had rounded edges for the longest since the default browser doesn't show them and it it s modified iphone theme |
| 02:33.48 | GeneralAntilles | Nice |
| 02:36.34 | luke-jr_ | anyone tried gpsd 3.28? |
| 02:36.44 | luke-jr_ | 2.38* |
| 02:36.58 | AndrewFBlack | whats a good way to do the menu? A static menu might take up to much room but alot of people had complaints about the pull down one |
| 02:37.28 | GeneralAntilles | The pulldown is just straight CSS? |
| 02:37.49 | AndrewFBlack | I think the one I was using I did in Javascript |
| 02:38.04 | AndrewFBlack | I remember the 770s had trouble with it |
| 02:38.16 | GeneralAntilles | Wonder if straight CSS would help. |
| 02:44.22 | AndrewFBlack | not sure but I kinda feel drop down is best option |
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| 03:01.59 | GeneralAntilles | Actually, I wonder if the slow CPU in the N97 might come with a cheaper price tag. |
| 03:02.40 | GeneralAntilles | If it starts for under $500. . . . |
| 03:03.57 | man_in_pda | waves |
| 03:07.10 | man_in_pda | so n810 has a gps |
| 03:07.34 | locutus | i've never had the onboard GPS do anything usefull |
| 03:07.54 | man_in_pda | me neither :D |
| 03:09.38 | locutus | i use a external bluetooth GPS |
| 03:09.38 | man_in_pda | just wondering if there was something like an alternative app that might be better |
| 03:09.40 | locutus | which works perfectly |
| 03:10.05 | locutus | anyway, bedtime (: |
| 03:10.13 | man_in_pda | heh |
| 03:11.07 | man_in_pda | well, i figure since it has a gps, trying to get use out of it is not a terrible idea |
| 03:11.19 | luke-jr_ | man_in_pda: the GPS5300 in the N810 requires a blob |
| 03:11.36 | luke-jr_ | I hacked it to work in Gentoo, but it has a really long TTFF still |
| 03:11.44 | man_in_pda | sure |
| 03:12.08 | man_in_pda | i'm not on mer :P |
| 03:13.19 | luke-jr_ | who said anything about mer? |
| 03:13.54 | man_in_pda | who said anything about gentoo? :P |
| 03:14.53 | luke-jr_ | me |
| 03:15.23 | GAN800 | man_in_pda, Maemo Mapper? |
| 03:17.00 | luke-jr_ | is there a safe way to try a new kernel? |
| 03:17.35 | GeneralAntilles | ~flasher |
| 03:17.35 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher |
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| 03:19.24 | luke-jr_ | GeneralAntilles: without infecting my main machine with proprietary blobs |
| 03:23.34 | man_in_pda | "Error connecting to GPSD server" :| |
| 03:23.37 | GeneralAntilles | luke-jr_, if you don't want answer, then don't ask questions. |
| 03:24.02 | luke-jr_ | I'd welcome an answer. |
| 03:24.10 | luke-jr_ | runnign a blob is inherently not safe, so not an answer ;) |
| 03:25.25 | AndrewFBlack | ok on new Minimal Theme should I make header a small version of the maemo.org header and make that the only image or should I keep plain text as before? |
| 03:25.26 | man_in_pda | so is there a way to flash the kernel WITH infecting the machine with proprietory blobs? ;) |
| 03:25.33 | GeneralAntilles | ~flash |
| 03:25.33 | infobot | it has been said that flash is For an EEPROM (flash) programmer that can handle any chip except +12V ones, go to http://fly.hiwaay.net/~jfrohwei/circuit/, or a proprietary format for online animations by Macromedia. However "GPL Flash" has now been released @ http://www.swift-tools.com/Flash/, or wget http://www.macromedia.com/software/flashplayer/special/beta/installers/linux/plugin/install_flash_player_6_linux.tar.gz, or ap |
| 03:25.35 | GeneralAntilles | er |
| 03:25.36 | GeneralAntilles | ~flasher |
| 03:25.36 | infobot | flasher is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher |
| 03:25.44 | man_in_pda | :D |
| 03:25.59 | GeneralAntilles | AndrewFBlack, honestly, I wouldn't change any more than the colorscheme from the old one. |
| 03:26.00 | luke-jr_ | sigh |
| 03:26.24 | AndrewFBlack | well I want a new menu one with atleast all the links there |
| 03:26.40 | AndrewFBlack | that way you can see subscribed threads and some other stuff |
| 03:26.44 | GeneralAntilles | luke-jr_, do me a favor and precursor every question you ask in the future with "I don't actually want an answer, so don't waste your time" |
| 03:27.03 | GeneralAntilles | AndrewFBlack, can we get AJAX Thanks! and all that in there? |
| 03:27.13 | luke-jr_ | GeneralAntilles: you could just say 'no' instead of giving me a "solution" that doesn't answer what I asked |
| 03:27.52 | GeneralAntilles | It precisely answers what you asked, but you weren't specific enough with your silly "requirements", and so wasted my time. |
| 03:29.01 | AndrewFBlack | I'll give it a try but I don't know if I can ge that working GA, hey can you get on Reggie about getting me the updated theme, btw i"m going to make a darker color lower half one also maybe we can have 2 minimal ones to make everyone happy |
| 03:29.21 | GeneralAntilles | OK |
| 03:29.43 | AndrewFBlack | one I'm playing with now is the Minimalist theme 1.0 that has several problems |
| 03:31.11 | AndrewFBlack | What do you think of just having the menu spread out beside the Forums Home link. I should beable to fit about 7 or 8 links in there |
| 03:31.26 | GeneralAntilles | It'd probably work fine. |
| 03:33.51 | man_in_pda | yay, i THINK i have gps working :P |
| 03:34.19 | luke-jr_ | me too |
| 03:34.30 | luke-jr_ | ~15 min TTFF I think |
| 03:34.57 | luke-jr_ | I'm pulling 2.6.29-omap1 now |
| 03:35.07 | luke-jr_ | hopefully by the time it's built I'll have figured out a reliable method of testing |
| 03:35.12 | luke-jr_ | safe/reliable* |
| 03:35.33 | luke-jr_ | might have to settle for GeneralAntilles's reliable-but-not-quite-safe method tho :< |
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| 03:36.31 | man_in_pda | TTFF? |
| 03:38.16 | luke-jr_ | ugh, gpsd uses 7% CPU just doing nothing? :/ |
| 03:38.18 | luke-jr_ | man_in_pda: Time To First Fix |
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| 03:38.27 | man_in_pda | ah |
| 03:38.40 | luke-jr_ | eg, 15 mins until it knows where I am |
| 03:39.19 | man_in_pda | yah |
| 03:39.38 | man_in_pda | well, i have a blue dot on my house now :D |
| 03:39.46 | luke-jr_ | but that's without A-GPS or such |
| 03:39.49 | luke-jr_ | so not bad IMO |
| 03:40.44 | man_in_pda | without what now? |
| 03:41.10 | luke-jr_ | Assisted GPS |
| 03:41.21 | luke-jr_ | if you know where you are in general, that helps |
| 03:41.28 | luke-jr_ | or if you have a network connection, that helps too |
| 03:41.34 | luke-jr_ | but my Gentoo hack doesn't support either of those |
| 03:41.45 | luke-jr_ | network connection + general location could do a fix in 30 seconds |
| 03:41.59 | man_in_pda | hmm ok |
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| 03:53.50 | man_in_pda | so, openstreetmap doesn't seem to have much detail in my area :) |
| 03:54.26 | GeneralAntilles | Time to get mapping. |
| 03:54.45 | man_in_pda | :P |
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| 03:56.56 | luke-jr_ | don't forget to map the APs too |
| 03:57.03 | luke-jr_ | do I want SLAB or SLUB? :p |
| 03:58.06 | man_in_pda | SLUB |
| 04:00.04 | luke-jr_ | man_in_pda: really? :x |
| 04:00.09 | luke-jr_ | ponders how to Undo in oldconfig |
| 04:00.13 | man_in_pda | yah |
| 04:01.06 | man_in_pda | i don't think it makes a massive difference |
| 04:01.16 | luke-jr_ | do we benefit from High Resolution Timer Support ? |
| 04:01.33 | man_in_pda | probably |
| 04:07.41 | aspect | what's the status of a2dp support? I'm looking in the forums and getting conflicting reports |
| 04:08.32 | GeneralAntilles | aspect, reasonably 3rd-party support is available. |
| 04:12.41 | Shadow__X | when i use the internal media player it sounds louder than xmms is that normal |
| 04:12.47 | Shadow__X | or is there a way to get it louder |
| 04:13.47 | aspect | GeneralAntilles: from what package or method? |
| 04:14.08 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno, I think johnx's method is best, though. |
| 04:16.49 | aspect | thanks, I'll give it a shot |
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| 04:23.20 | GeneralAntilles | 'morning, mobile Stskeeps. |
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| 04:55.59 | RST38h | moo all |
| 04:59.32 | Stskeeps | morn |
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| 05:16.53 | Macer | hello |
| 05:20.50 | RST38h | Ah, this is priceless: http://exiledonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/aig-gawker-memo1.jpg |
| 05:23.12 | Macer | hm |
| 05:23.18 | Macer | why are people so scared over a flu? |
| 05:23.44 | RST38h | People need something well defined to be scared off, that is why |
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| 05:24.02 | Macer | they're acting like it is airborne aids |
| 05:24.08 | Macer | hiv or something |
| 05:24.15 | Macer | it's the flu. take some nyquil and call off from work |
| 05:24.33 | RST38h | Well, you can expect 1-5mil fatalities worldwide from this particular strain |
| 05:24.45 | Macer | RST38h: i agree. news must be in short supply. news networks have to hype shit up |
| 05:24.49 | RST38h | That is based on our previous encounters with similar virii |
| 05:24.50 | Macer | RST38h: maybe in 3rd world countries |
| 05:24.56 | Macer | but who cares |
| 05:24.57 | RST38h | Macer: Not really |
| 05:24.58 | GeneralAntilles | Macer, the flu can be a little more dangerous than that. ;) |
| 05:25.06 | Macer | we don't care that hiv is wiping out whole african civilizations |
| 05:25.14 | Macer | there was 1 fatality from 1 mexican infant in the US |
| 05:25.18 | RST38h | What civlizations? =) |
| 05:25.37 | Macer | news is reporting that there have been 150 deaths in mexico.. like they have the best hospitals in teh world or something |
| 05:25.54 | RST38h | That is not the hospital thing |
| 05:25.58 | Macer | like it isn't normal for mexicans to NOT get good medical attention |
| 05:26.23 | RST38h | Apparently, direct infection from the swine is more dangerous because H1N1 becomes less virulent with each human-human transmission |
| 05:26.52 | RST38h | Also, the first outbreak always has more casualties because the medical response is not there yet |
| 05:27.07 | LinuxCode | Macer, I think you never had the proper flu |
| 05:27.15 | LinuxCode | if you had, you wouldnt talk like that |
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| 05:27.17 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
| 05:27.37 | RST38h | The real fun begins when your infant kid has proper flu |
| 05:27.40 | Macer | LinuxCode: sure i have |
| 05:27.48 | LinuxCode | Macer, proper flu ? |
| 05:27.49 | RST38h | THAT is when you understand |
| 05:27.56 | Macer | it sucks.. makes you feel horrible.. but like i said. the media is playing it out to be airborne aids |
| 05:27.59 | LinuxCode | Im not talking a cold, ... |
| 05:28.12 | LinuxCode | ok you sound like you just had a cold |
| 05:28.39 | LinuxCode | flu = must stay home for a few weeks in bed |
| 05:28.52 | Macer | LinuxCode: no way. a few weeks is pushing it |
| 05:28.55 | Macer | heh |
| 05:29.04 | LinuxCode | then you didnt have the flu! |
| 05:29.09 | Macer | it's the flu. not chicken pox |
| 05:29.21 | LinuxCode | that confirmed it |
| 05:29.27 | LinuxCode | you never had the flu |
| 05:29.42 | Macer | well. most people don't go to the doctor when they have flu like symptoms |
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| 05:29.52 | LinuxCode | thats because they have got a cold |
| 05:29.56 | Macer | they figure "oh it's just a cold or the flu" and drink nyquil and call off work |
| 05:30.14 | LinuxCode | most people think they have the flu and run to the doctors |
| 05:30.21 | LinuxCode | fact is, 90% of people havent |
| 05:30.27 | Macer | why? a doctor can't do much. it's a virus |
| 05:30.40 | RST38h | well not entirely |
| 05:31.03 | LinuxCode | speak to a GP, they will tell you how many people say they have the flu and havent |
| 05:31.07 | RST38h | First of all the doctor can deal with followup infections |
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| 05:31.35 | Macer | i suppose if the loss of immunity fighting the flu causes bacterial infection |
| 05:31.48 | RST38h | That sore throat you have is not from the virus, it is from normal bacteria making use of your immune system being busy with the vorus |
| 05:31.48 | LinuxCode | flu can cause death |
| 05:32.15 | RST38h | Secondly, there ARE some drugs that can fight flu, in a limited way |
| 05:32.19 | Macer | seriously. how many confirmed cases of flue death have there been in healthy people? |
| 05:32.27 | LinuxCode | thats why vulnerable people should be vaccinated |
| 05:32.38 | RST38h | wishes that morning post from an epidemiologist were in English, so he could just quote it |
| 05:32.40 | Macer | *flu |
| 05:32.54 | RST38h | Macer: Last time - 1-2mil |
| 05:33.00 | LinuxCode | Macer, you would have to check the Lancet for that |
| 05:33.00 | Macer | healthy people?? |
| 05:33.06 | RST38h | Macer: Mostly kids and older guys |
| 05:33.13 | Macer | in a developed country? |
| 05:33.16 | Macer | 1 - 2 million? |
| 05:33.21 | RST38h | Macer: Worldwide. You want statistics? |
| 05:33.34 | Macer | worldwide includes 3rd world countries with poor medical care |
| 05:33.40 | Macer | i want developed country statistics :) |
| 05:33.44 | RST38h | Ok, let me give you stats |
| 05:33.59 | LinuxCode | Macer, around 1920 there was a flu outbreak in the UK |
| 05:34.06 | LinuxCode | it killed hordes of people |
| 05:34.11 | Macer | US, UK, I would say china but that's just a 3rd world country with a veil over it |
| 05:34.14 | LinuxCode | because the government didnt act fast enough |
| 05:34.32 | Macer | ok.. 1920s is like .. black plague era |
| 05:34.42 | LinuxCode | Macer, and the way you talk, you def did not have the flu |
| 05:34.48 | Macer | something a little more modern :) like between 1950-2009 |
| 05:35.15 | LinuxCode | fact is, if you dont try and contain it, it can kill 10s of thousands |
| 05:35.28 | Macer | probably unhealthy people |
| 05:35.29 | RST38h | Macer: Please read this: http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol12no01/05-0965.htm |
| 05:35.42 | Macer | .gov ;) awesome |
| 05:35.46 | RST38h | This is the last outbreak of H1N1. In New Jersey, USA. On a fucking military base. |
| 05:37.16 | LinuxCode | finds it amuzing how loads of Americans automagically dismiss everything if it comes from a government source |
| 05:37.44 | LinuxCode | I think you need to travel a bit more and watch less movies |
| 05:37.45 | doc|work | finds it amusing how you spelt amusing with a z, yet laugh at us for far more reasonable things |
| 05:38.05 | LinuxCode | doc|work, you can spell amusing/amuzing |
| 05:38.50 | RST38h | amuzing: 57400 |
| 05:38.59 | RST38h | amusing: 16200000 |
| 05:39.04 | RST38h | I do not think so, LinuxCode. |
| 05:39.25 | doc|work | LinuxCode: not using a real language you can't |
| 05:39.47 | LinuxCode | ohh well I was wrong |
| 05:39.49 | RST38h | Anyways, the link above is a scientific white paper, there is nothing in it to be distrustful about |
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| 05:40.15 | Macer | LinuxCode: i wasn't |
| 05:40.16 | LinuxCode | thas what you get for growing up abroad |
| 05:40.19 | Macer | i was glad it was a .gov |
| 05:40.20 | StsN801 | science, pfft ;) |
| 05:40.22 | LinuxCode | thats* |
| 05:40.26 | Macer | i was expecting "Bob's flu page" |
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| 05:40.37 | Macer | but you gave me a .gov source :) that's a good thing |
| 05:40.45 | LinuxCode | Macer, it was a general comment I made |
| 05:41.06 | Macer | 1 person died out of 13. a very small outbreak and there could have been contributing factors towards his death |
| 05:41.30 | Macer | he could have had an unknown medical condition that would have allowed the flu to affect him more so than normal |
| 05:41.48 | RST38h | Oh he could |
| 05:41.53 | LinuxCode | Macer, one day you will have the proper flu, and you will think back, and think, now I know what proper flu is like |
| 05:42.07 | RST38h | The spanish flu (also H1N1) took 50mil though |
| 05:42.15 | Macer | plus the army is full of pussies. they were probably trying to get out of training hah |
| 05:42.31 | LinuxCode | by dying ? |
| 05:42.33 | LinuxCode | good plan |
| 05:42.37 | Macer | only 1 died :) |
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| 05:43.14 | Macer | he was probably the one feeling the worse. the rest were probably overacting so they didn't have to do stuff. the army is horrible for that sort of shit |
| 05:43.24 | RST38h | 1/13 is 7.5% |
| 05:44.00 | RST38h | Man, I don't think we should overreact over H1N1, but you are WAY too dismissive about it |
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| 05:50.00 | Macer | he |
| 05:50.02 | Macer | h |
| 05:50.23 | Macer | fear is for the weak who choose to not live life |
| 05:50.55 | Macer | you may catch the flu and you may take a meteorite to the head |
| 05:50.58 | LinuxCode | Macer, fear keeps soldiers alive |
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| 05:51.11 | Macer | different situation |
| 05:51.48 | Macer | and there is a fine line between fear and cowardess. bravery is pushing through fear |
| 05:52.03 | RST38h | It is not like you should be afraid |
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| 05:52.23 | Macer | i honestly think that the media is hyping it up just to have something to report |
| 05:52.24 | RST38h | Just keep it in mind that if you get it, you better take it seriously |
| 05:52.28 | Macer | :) |
| 05:53.05 | Macer | like when another hurricane hit new orleans and they had cameras fixed pointing at the dike walls... somewhere there was a reporter begging God for it to break again |
| 05:53.15 | RST38h | On the other hand, the risks are a bit lower in the US - population densities are low and the place is pretty sterile to begin with |
| 05:53.35 | RST38h | Macer: Oh it will, just give it time... |
| 05:53.50 | Macer | haha.. i don't know. i'm in chicago and it's kind of dense |
| 05:54.06 | Macer | as are most metropolitan areas |
| 05:54.31 | Macer | only the farmers will live. whom, ironically enough, raise pigs. |
| 05:55.00 | RST38h | Macer: that is not dense enough |
| 05:55.51 | RST38h | Macer: this is dense: http://visualrian.com/storage/PreviewWM/3405/24/340524.jpg |
| 05:56.23 | Macer | that's a normal subway |
| 05:56.33 | Macer | during rush hour |
| 05:56.40 | Macer | nyc is even worse |
| 05:56.48 | RST38h | Macer: this does not change from 6:00 to 21:00 |
| 05:57.00 | RST38h | Macer: And NYC is better, actually |
| 05:57.17 | Macer | heh... well.. i suppose that is a valid point but how much contact would you need? |
| 05:57.28 | RST38h | Macer: What you see on that photo is enough |
| 05:57.39 | Macer | it's more than enough |
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| 05:57.53 | LinuxCode | sneezes |
| 05:59.26 | RST38h | Macer: And speaking of farmers, http://exiledonline.com/war-nerd-apocalypse-never/all/1/ |
| 05:59.32 | RST38h | off-to-work. |
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| 06:58.08 | LiraNuna | can maemo read Ext2? |
| 06:58.46 | qwerty12 | Yes, just insert the right modules from /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/current |
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| 07:02.13 | TTilus | trying to flash my n810 as instructed on http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, see pastie http://pastie.org/463561 flasher prints that last line and exits immediately when i turn on my tablet "swap" pressed down (as instructed) |
| 07:02.58 | kulve | what's rx-71? |
| 07:03.02 | LiraNuna | really stupid question here, how do I differ from 'chinook' and 'diablo' |
| 07:03.21 | qwerty12 | TTilus: You're missing an -F and it says -F on that page |
| 07:03.55 | TTilus | qwerty12: it says -f there |
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| 07:04.07 | qwerty12 | Yes, "-f" not "-F" |
| 07:04.15 | TTilus | qwerty12: and im not missing it |
| 07:04.21 | qwerty12 | -f = flashing. -F = FIASCO |
| 07:04.26 | timeless_mbp | kulve: a random series of letters and numbers :) |
| 07:04.36 | qwerty12 | TTilus: Then your pastebin is lying to me |
| 07:04.46 | kulve | timeless_mbp: there's a kernel config for that random series of letters and numbers.. |
| 07:04.56 | TTilus | qwerty12: ooh! now i see, the -F _before_ the image name |
| 07:04.58 | TTilus | ;) |
| 07:05.00 | GeneralAntilles | kulve, we don't really know. |
| 07:05.09 | TTilus | *blush* |
| 07:05.09 | timeless_mbp | kulve: we(nokia) haven't announced what it is |
| 07:05.13 | timeless_mbp | or if it will be anything |
| 07:05.14 | TTilus | damn im stupid |
| 07:05.23 | GeneralAntilles | kulve, there's a keymap in there that's about as much as we have. |
| 07:05.24 | timeless_mbp | so, it's a random series of letters and numbers... :) |
| 07:05.44 | GeneralAntilles | kulve, HIG mentions fixed and sliding hardware keyboards, so. . . . |
| 07:05.59 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: gah, which reminds me, i need to poke someone about that |
| 07:06.09 | timeless_mbp | since i believe the HIG contradicts itself |
| 07:06.17 | TTilus | qwerty12: now its going in, thaks alot! |
| 07:07.05 | TTilus | cool bg image |
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| 07:07.55 | kulve | didn't find any interesting differencies in rx5/71 kernel configs. And the 71 config supports 51 as well |
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| 07:08.27 | GeneralAntilles | kulve, at this point I think we're stuck waiting for an announcement. |
| 07:08.33 | LiraNuna | how do I differ from 'chinook' and 'diablo' |
| 07:09.18 | kulve | GeneralAntilles: looks like it. |
| 07:09.32 | kulve | GeneralAntilles: I was trying to run the beta on beagle but the old kernel doesn't like the new kernel modules.. |
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| 07:09.48 | kulve | maybe compiling the kernel helps.. |
| 07:11.54 | z4chh | there a simple way to remove the spell bar that pops up when typing on n810? |
| 07:11.56 | kulve | actually the rx51 defconfig supports 71 as well |
| 07:12.13 | z4chh | for good.. |
| 07:13.06 | ShadowJK | temporarily with shift-space |
| 07:13.19 | Shadow__X | anyone use xchat on maemo? |
| 07:13.24 | ShadowJK | does |
| 07:13.39 | Shadow__X | ShadowJK, how do you get auto tab to work |
| 07:13.48 | ShadowJK | what is auto tab? |
| 07:14.03 | Shadow__X | i mean auto nick complete sorry |
| 07:14.14 | ShadowJK | What is auto nick complete? |
| 07:14.39 | Shadow__X | predictive nick complete |
| 07:15.46 | z4chh | Shadow__X, in preferences? |
| 07:15.55 | Shadow__X | yes |
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| 07:20.20 | timeless_mbp | z4chh: open control panel |
| 07:20.25 | timeless_mbp | text input thingy |
| 07:20.41 | timeless_mbp | one of the checkboxes deals with it iirc |
| 07:20.49 | timeless_mbp | would have to look for an n810 |
| 07:20.54 | timeless_mbp | stares at a pair of n800s |
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| 07:21.20 | pupnik | "are those for ME?>" |
| 07:22.19 | Shadow__X | timeless, it n800 might support it |
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| 07:22.57 | timeless_mbp | Shadow__X: the hardware keyboard behavior is /slightly/ different from the onscreen keyboard |
| 07:23.23 | Shadow__X | hmm |
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| 07:23.39 | Shadow__X | i really hope the next n series packs an updated punch |
| 07:23.55 | Shadow__X | one thing i cant do is stream shows now hopefully then i can |
| 07:25.35 | GeneralAntilles | Shadow__X, stream from what? |
| 07:25.40 | Shadow__X | my fs |
| 07:25.47 | GeneralAntilles | Um? |
| 07:25.55 | Shadow__X | my fileserver |
| 07:25.59 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, OK. |
| 07:26.05 | GeneralAntilles | Well, um, streaming works just fine, actually. |
| 07:26.16 | GeneralAntilles | Unless they're big encodings. |
| 07:26.20 | Shadow__X | :) |
| 07:26.25 | GeneralAntilles | In which case you want mediaserv. |
| 07:26.32 | Shadow__X | mediaserv? |
| 07:26.46 | GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Website&component=Talk |
| 07:26.52 | GeneralAntilles | http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/mediaserv.html |
| 07:26.56 | GeneralAntilles | Slow damn clipboard. |
| 07:27.19 | Shadow__X | its ok i have a freaking slow hd |
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| 07:28.34 | Shadow__X | GeneralAntilles, i might run around yelling in excitement |
| 07:28.37 | Shadow__X | i just might |
| 07:28.42 | Shadow__X | depending on how well it works |
| 07:29.01 | GeneralAntilles | It works fine assuming your fileserver has the horsepower to do on-the-fly conversion. |
| 07:29.17 | Shadow__X | c2d 8400 |
| 07:29.21 | Shadow__X | i think i can do it |
| 07:29.38 | Shadow__X | so do i install mediaserv or tablet encode |
| 07:29.46 | GeneralAntilles | Both |
| 07:29.53 | GeneralAntilles | Read the install instructions. |
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| 07:30.11 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: the video in that cast is amazing |
| 07:32.17 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, is it? |
| 07:32.26 | timeless_mbp | yes |
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| 07:32.54 | GeneralAntilles | OS2007 |
| 07:32.58 | GeneralAntilles | I miss Plankton. |
| 07:33.04 | timeless_mbp | it still works, no? |
| 07:33.29 | GeneralAntilles | Not on OS2008, no. |
| 07:33.36 | GeneralAntilles | Well, not in its OS2007 form anyway. |
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| 07:33.47 | ShadowJK | but OS2007 still works? ;) |
| 07:34.01 | GeneralAntilles | OS2007 never really "worked" |
| 07:34.33 | Shadow__X | so whats holding the n810 from streaming videos without transcoding gpu? |
| 07:34.50 | timeless_mbp | ? |
| 07:34.56 | GeneralAntilles | Giant ass screen, weak ass LCD controller and lack of optimizations. |
| 07:35.08 | ShadowJK | eh, not enough CPU |
| 07:35.48 | GeneralAntilles | Mostly when combined with the LCD and lack of optimizations. |
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| 07:36.15 | ShadowJK | WLAN eats huge amounts of CPU, though I seem to remember someone was working on that |
| 07:36.25 | GeneralAntilles | Generally crap driver. |
| 07:36.41 | Shadow__X | ah ok |
| 07:36.53 | Shadow__X | hmm so should most of this stuff get worked out in the next one? |
| 07:37.00 | GeneralAntilles | Yes. |
| 07:37.01 | Shadow__X | because i love it even with its limitations |
| 07:37.04 | ShadowJK | I've never so far encountered wlan with uncrap drivers, actually :) |
| 07:37.05 | GeneralAntilles | The DSP will be used for video decoding |
| 07:37.11 | GeneralAntilles | There's no crappy LCD controller in the way. |
| 07:37.18 | GeneralAntilles | Should do D1 h.264 without issue. |
| 07:37.26 | Shadow__X | wow nice |
| 07:37.53 | Shadow__X | hmm might compete with nvidia tegra |
| 07:38.00 | GeneralAntilles | Pff |
| 07:38.05 | GeneralAntilles | It'll blow the Tegra out of the water. |
| 07:38.09 | ShadowJK | does tegra even exist |
| 07:38.09 | GeneralAntilles | The Tegra is an old ARM11 |
| 07:38.11 | LiraNuna | <ShadowJK> WLAN eats huge amounts of CPU // no controller on that? |
| 07:38.15 | GeneralAntilles | Well, and that too. |
| 07:38.22 | Shadow__X | http://www.nvidia.com/page/handheld.html |
| 07:38.34 | GeneralAntilles | Shadow__X, prototypes don't count. |
| 07:38.43 | GeneralAntilles | OMAP3 has been shipping in devices since the middle of 2008. |
| 07:38.48 | GeneralAntilles | Tegra hasn't shipped device one. |
| 07:39.00 | Shadow__X | hmm i prefer a n series by far |
| 07:39.00 | GeneralAntilles | Anyway, Tegra's only advantage is its GPU and video decoding. |
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| 07:39.11 | GeneralAntilles | But it's only marginally better than OMAP3. |
| 07:39.17 | Shadow__X | but i wouldnt mind watching streaming hd in a device like ours |
| 07:39.20 | GeneralAntilles | and OMAP3's CPU kick's the Tegra's CPU's ass. |
| 07:39.33 | GeneralAntilles | s/kick's/kicks/ |
| 07:39.45 | Shadow__X | heh |
| 07:39.47 | Shadow__X | i know |
| 07:39.54 | GeneralAntilles | So while the Tegra might do HD video playback well, it will be awful browsing Facebook. |
| 07:40.26 | Shadow__X | hmm right |
| 07:40.30 | Shadow__X | i dont facebook |
| 07:40.32 | Shadow__X | :) |
| 07:40.40 | Shadow__X | browsing /. |
| 07:40.44 | GeneralAntilles | That, too. |
| 07:40.49 | Shadow__X | takes a bit to load on n810 |
| 07:40.55 | GeneralAntilles | They both seem to have about as much AJAX crap on them these days. ;) |
| 07:41.03 | ShadowJK | eh, /. makes my Q9550 feel slow |
| 07:41.11 | Shadow__X | heh |
| 07:41.19 | Shadow__X | come on ShadowJK |
| 07:41.24 | Shadow__X | thats a bit much |
| 07:41.28 | Shadow__X | get a 9750 |
| 07:41.32 | GeneralAntilles | Slashdot is so bloated these days. |
| 07:41.33 | Shadow__X | what where you thinking |
| 07:41.44 | Shadow__X | you knew /. was going to overload you |
| 07:41.58 | ShadowJK | the price started rising exponentially after 9550 :) |
| 07:47.30 | Shadow__X | hmm |
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| 07:52.27 | Shadow__X | GeneralAntilles, i am running mediaserv but on the tablet i goto the site and it says media serv not found |
| 07:53.14 | GeneralAntilles | GeneralAntilles, correct port, configuration, whatever? |
| 07:53.18 | GeneralAntilles | No firewall in the way? |
| 07:53.46 | Shadow__X | no firewall correct port config seems right unless i have to get rid of quotes |
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| 07:58.06 | RST38h | Hmmm... Modest has got a plugin system |
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| 08:00.27 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, you see yerga's screencast? |
| 08:01.59 | Shadow__X | GeneralAntilles, have you used mediaserv before |
| 08:02.10 | GeneralAntilles | Shadow__X, since forever. |
| 08:02.31 | Shadow__X | could you help me get it working i keep getting not found |
| 08:02.43 | GeneralAntilles | You sure it's running? |
| 08:02.48 | Shadow__X | it runs on the right ip right port |
| 08:02.59 | Shadow__X | i can put it in my browser and goto the page |
| 08:03.12 | Shadow__X | the page then says mediaserv then below that it says not foudn |
| 08:03.12 | RST38h | General: Yea |
| 08:03.31 | GeneralAntilles | Um, did you set the data folder correctly, maybe? |
| 08:03.49 | Shadow__X | yeah /media/videos |
| 08:04.08 | Shadow__X | basedir = '/media/videos' |
| 08:04.10 | Shadow__X | right |
| 08:04.43 | Shadow__X | also can it read within folders or does it need all the videos dumped in a main folder |
| 08:04.43 | GeneralAntilles | Shadow__X, dunno, then, Jaffa might be able to help when he wakes up. |
| 08:05.06 | GeneralAntilles | It can read subfolders. |
| 08:05.27 | Shadow__X | wait hmm |
| 08:05.31 | Shadow__X | i think i got it |
| 08:06.11 | Shadow__X | ok so i am running it from the folder i extracted it to and the config file is within resources and when i changed the port on there and started it again it didnt change |
| 08:06.30 | GeneralAntilles | Did you run the install script? |
| 08:06.38 | GeneralAntilles | Config is in ~/ |
| 08:07.02 | Shadow__X | heh whoopsie i have just been running mediaserv |
| 08:07.04 | Shadow__X | lol |
| 08:07.08 | Shadow__X | fail on my part |
| 08:12.19 | Shadow__X | where do you run mediaserv from |
| 08:12.58 | Shadow__X | install.sh doesnt copy mediaserv into .mediaserv |
| 08:13.28 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:15.01 | LiraNuna | ouch |
| 08:15.36 | Shadow__X | ? |
| 08:15.39 | LiraNuna | seems like deblet recognizes N810 WiMAX as "48" instead of n8x0 |
| 08:15.44 | LiraNuna | n810* |
| 08:17.01 | LiraNuna | so I get an inf loop of it trying to retrieve teblet-hw-rx-48-nonfree |
| 08:18.34 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 08:18.44 | LiraNuna | "rx-48" is N810 WiMAX... |
| 08:18.44 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: well i dont think wimax was out when i made that |
| 08:18.55 | LiraNuna | Stskeeps, understood - I'm just reporting |
| 08:20.22 | Stskeeps | hack it to grab rx-44-nonfree instead |
| 08:20.51 | LiraNuna | hack what, and how do I continue it? I ^C'd |
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| 08:21.52 | Stskeeps | ^c it |
| 08:22.06 | LiraNuna | I did |
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| 08:22.23 | Stskeeps | i should really make a mer-pureubuntu image for the poor souls that deal with b-man's image.. |
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| 08:23.29 | Shadow__X | top isnt working on my device but htop is |
| 08:23.33 | Shadow__X | package bad? |
| 08:25.06 | LiraNuna | Stskeeps, hack what, where's the script? |
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| 08:25.17 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: dpkg -L deblet-installer |
| 08:25.23 | Stskeeps | the .py is there somewhere |
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| 08:36.29 | jeremiah_ | weird, I can reach the repos for fremantle from ARMEL, but not X86 when in scratchbox |
| 08:36.36 | jeremiah_ | that's annoying |
| 08:37.28 | Stskeeps | check resolv.conf and /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf |
| 08:37.29 | Stskeeps | maybe |
| 08:39.34 | jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: Interesting - the two targets have two different nameservers! |
| 08:39.40 | jeremiah_ | Good catch Stskeeps |
| 08:39.43 | Stskeeps | got to love sb |
| 08:39.43 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:39.53 | jeremiah_ | WTF? |
| 08:39.55 | jeremiah_ | Why? |
| 08:40.05 | jeremiah_ | Oh well, I will just change it by hand |
| 08:40.23 | jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: Should I file a bug? Or is this just sb being sb? |
| 08:40.30 | Stskeeps | i'd say the latter |
| 08:40.42 | jeremiah_ | sigh |
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| 08:43.38 | jeremiah_ | Hmm, that's not it though. |
| 08:44.00 | jeremiah_ | Still able to resolve in ARMEL and not in X86, time to dig some more. |
| 08:44.16 | Shadow_M | GeneralAntilles, what do you use to play the videos because, when i try and play a video media player comes up and doesnt play it |
| 08:44.33 | Stskeeps | jeremiah_: verify /etc/resolv.conf too |
| 08:45.32 | jeremiah_ | They appear to be identical |
| 08:45.36 | Stskeeps | hmm |
| 08:45.56 | jeremiah_ | Its just when I switch targets then repository.maemo.org disappears. |
| 08:46.47 | jeremiah_ | Its giving me a 404 when I use wget by hand |
| 08:47.30 | Shadow_M | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:47.45 | timeless_mbp | randomly pokes jeremiah_ |
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| 08:49.20 | GAN800 | Shadow_M, mplayer |
| 08:49.28 | GAN800 | Cut and paster the video URL into it. |
| 08:49.39 | jeremiah_ | Can it be that the EULA provides a key that is usable by one install target (i.e. X86 or ARMEL) only? |
| 08:49.47 | GAN800 | Shadow_M, did you install tablet-encode? |
| 08:50.20 | Shadow_M | yes on the encodingnmachine i see mencoder comes up |
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| 08:53.34 | Shadow_M | GAN800, there isnt a way to get mplayer to auto run maybe in about config |
| 08:55.38 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: extras-devel has stopped updating since yesterday |
| 08:56.32 | RST38h | Texrat surfaced again. Hmm |
| 08:56.48 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: so, i see a 20mb pig |
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| 08:57.25 | sp3000 | oh that one ;) |
| 08:57.32 | jeremiah_ | mikkov_: Hmmm. I will take a look |
| 08:57.34 | timeless_mbp | there's also something using 17mb |
| 08:57.38 | timeless_mbp | which sounds interesting |
| 08:57.39 | sp3000 | (also, oh that's what mbp means :P) |
| 08:57.50 | timeless_mbp | but yeah, that one... we should zap it :) |
| 08:57.53 | timeless_mbp | mac book pro :) |
| 08:58.11 | zap__ | yeah, zap it |
| 08:59.45 | mikkov_ | jeremiah: it seems that fremantle is updating but diablo is not |
| 09:00.05 | timeless_mbp | is downloading a 1.3gb iso @250k/s :( |
| 09:00.11 | timeless_mbp | 5mins left |
| 09:01.30 | jeremiah_ | mikkov_: Yeah, things stopped updating yesterday, just like you said. |
| 09:01.45 | jeremiah_ | mikkov_: I think there maybe a hung indexing process on garage |
| 09:01.52 | jeremiah_ | I am trying to figure that out now. |
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| 09:03.04 | sp3000 | timeless_mbp: yeah yeah ;) |
| 09:03.19 | jeremiah_ | mikkov_: I am re-indexing . . . |
| 09:08.32 | mikkov_ | jeremiah: ok, thanks |
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| 09:18.32 | jeremiah_ | Weird. |
| 09:18.45 | jeremiah_ | It re-indexed, but did not create a new Packages file. |
| 09:23.35 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 09:23.42 | Stskeeps | morning jaffa |
| 09:24.08 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: ok, iso downloaded :) |
| 09:30.28 | kulve | has anybody compiled the new maemo5 beta kernel for beagle yet? |
| 09:30.35 | kulve | I having some compilation issues.. |
| 09:34.53 | timeless_mbp | query sp3000 |
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| 09:36.28 | timeless_mbp | right... |
| 09:36.31 | timeless_mbp | goes fishing for a url |
| 09:42.06 | jeremiah_ | Well, it looks like I successfully re-indexed diablo. |
| 09:42.22 | jeremiah_ | The process is still a bit of a mystery to me, though I have read the scripts. |
| 09:42.50 | jeremiah_ | I'll ping X-Fade and maybe we can dig out what went wrong. |
| 09:43.15 | timeless_mbp | jeremiah_: since you're done w/ fires... :) |
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| 09:45.41 | Jaffa | ponders what the effect would be of thumbs downing texrat's p.m.o post ;-) |
| 09:46.15 | jeremiah_ | timeless_mbp: :) |
| 09:46.33 | suihkulokki | kulve: patch is on the works |
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| 09:50.58 | kulve | suihkulokki: any release estimate for it? :) |
| 09:51.25 | RST38h | suggests not pissing off Texrat, the guy is already down on life |
| 09:57.39 | RST38h | Ionel Florin Negru, Craiova, Romania ... |
| 09:58.26 | cosmo_ | i found out that packages can use maemo-select-menu-location to specify their location in menu. is it possible to use it non-interactively to add application into settings menu? |
| 10:01.04 | timeless_mbp | you shouldn't use it <period> |
| 10:01.53 | cosmo_ | i need some way to install application into settings menu |
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| 10:02.19 | timeless_mbp | hopefully the sdk docs explain the more correct way |
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| 10:03.04 | cosmo_ | ..and hildon menu doesn't support the .desktop file's category definition |
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| 10:12.54 | suihkulokki | kulve: when it works :) |
| 10:18.55 | roope | Mh. |
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| 10:37.16 | LiraNuna | deblet won't boot on N810 WiMAX... |
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| 10:38.12 | roadies | where can I get the mysql development source envirnoment? |
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| 10:39.02 | roadies | that is for the maemo embedded system |
| 10:40.29 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: mm, lovely |
| 10:41.09 | LiraNuna | stuck at the very end |
| 10:41.21 | LiraNuna | must take the battery off to continue |
| 10:41.42 | jeremiah_ | roadies: What are you trying to do? Build a package for maemo of mysql? |
| 10:42.40 | roadies | well actually 2 things, cross compile mysql for maemo N810 and PetaLinux |
| 10:43.12 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: sorry, deblet is so far back :/ i don't work on it anymore |
| 10:43.15 | jeremiah_ | For which target in maemo? The current i.e. diablo? |
| 10:43.30 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: you're more welome to help fixing the problems causing GNOME not to load on Mer |
| 10:43.40 | roadies | jeremiah: yeah, diablo |
| 10:43.44 | LiraNuna | there's gnome on Mer!? |
| 10:43.45 | jeremiah_ | roadies: Because there is a beta SDK for fremantle |
| 10:44.22 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: of course there is, but you might have to do some magic and force some GTK versions. |
| 10:44.28 | Stskeeps | and you can't have both hildon and gnome |
| 10:44.49 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: mer is ubuntu based, remember? :P |
| 10:45.14 | LiraNuna | Stskeeps, yes sit (4am here) |
| 10:45.16 | LiraNuna | sir* |
| 10:45.48 | roadies | jeremiah: its not the maemo cross-compile development environment or PetaLinux cross-compile environment that's the problem its seeing if mysql has been modified to be built within those environments that's the key |
| 10:46.44 | roadies | jeremiah: since mysql as a binary for maemo, I was looking for the sources to it |
| 10:46.53 | Stskeeps | petalinux.. what on earth is that? |
| 10:47.14 | roadies | its a embedded Linux for Xilinx FPGAs |
| 10:47.21 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 10:48.41 | jeremiah_ | roadies: You can get mysql's sources from mysql.com |
| 10:49.00 | jeremiah_ | roadies: If you want the sources from maemo, you can use apt-get source to get it |
| 10:49.28 | LiraNuna | Stskeeps, how can I uninstall deblet bootloader |
| 10:49.44 | LiraNuna | (sorry for my load of questions) |
| 10:49.44 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: --flash-only=initfs of a normal firmware image |
| 10:49.55 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: either way the deblet bootloader works for mer |
| 10:50.07 | roadies | jeremiah: I was looking but didnt see how to get it, then again I'm an older than mold burnt out coder who can see very well anymore :-( |
| 10:51.15 | roadies | is there a url that points to it or the apt-get string? |
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| 11:04.34 | zeev | Hi, can Nokia's internet tablet use internet access provided by mobile networks (GPRS or whatever name it has)? |
| 11:04.57 | Stskeeps | yes, but only through a bluetooth telephone |
| 11:04.59 | Stskeeps | tethering |
| 11:05.07 | Stskeeps | the next tablet will have HSDPA though |
| 11:05.53 | LinuxCode | I WANT THE NEXT TABLET |
| 11:05.57 | LinuxCode | RIGHT NOW! |
| 11:05.59 | LinuxCode | hehe |
| 11:06.13 | LinuxCode | Wasnt it end of quarter 2 ? |
| 11:06.55 | Stskeeps | no announcement yet |
| 11:07.13 | LinuxCode | clobbers Ari over the head with a N810 |
| 11:07.23 | LinuxCode | ;-} |
| 11:08.00 | LinuxCode | Im still using my P800 as phone |
| 11:08.09 | LinuxCode | Its slowly time to get rid of it |
| 11:08.14 | zeev | will it be possible to turn into a mobile SIP phone? |
| 11:08.26 | Stskeeps | zeev: it is already with SIP support |
| 11:08.34 | Stskeeps | you could techncially run that over 3g |
| 11:09.06 | zeev | yes, but I want to use it everywhere where I can access to a mobile network |
| 11:09.13 | samppa | hmm did anyone else have problems when upgrading alpa to beta sdk ? |
| 11:09.16 | LinuxCode | I wonder if the phone functions will be separate from the other stuff |
| 11:09.30 | LinuxCode | so one can flash it with any arm linux one wants |
| 11:09.44 | zeev | Stskeeps: not only with WiFi access |
| 11:09.53 | Stskeeps | zeev: or with wifi |
| 11:10.02 | zeev | in order to have the same coverage as a regular cellphone |
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| 11:11.06 | zeev | Stskeeps: can I do it now somehow? |
| 11:11.38 | Stskeeps | zeev: the tablet just treats 3G or tethering as a data connection |
| 11:11.41 | Stskeeps | SIP will work nevertheless |
| 11:11.52 | Stskeeps | 3g tethering / wifi |
| 11:12.30 | zeev | for tethering I need another phone.... |
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| 11:17.35 | zeev | So with HSDPA I will be able to use the tablet as SIP phone in any place with mobile network access, without additional hardware? |
| 11:18.00 | `0660 | yes |
| 11:18.08 | Stskeeps | yes, in the eventual tablet |
| 11:18.14 | Stskeeps | which is not announced yet, but coming |
| 11:18.32 | Jaffa | s/tablet/"lead device"/ |
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| 11:19.16 | lcuk | LinuxCode, if you are done with your 810 could you send it into a kitty for gsoc students to work from :) |
| 11:19.32 | LinuxCode | lcuk, lol |
| 11:19.37 | LinuxCode | I probably keep it |
| 11:19.40 | roadies | jeremiah_: got it via svn.... forgot I had a developers account...been a while since working directly on my N810 stuff...hopefully returning soon |
| 11:19.41 | LinuxCode | to be honest |
| 11:20.02 | LinuxCode | lcuk, how about a SE P800 |
| 11:20.03 | LinuxCode | ? |
| 11:20.04 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
| 11:20.32 | lcuk | will try not to purchase a sony ever again |
| 11:20.38 | LinuxCode | hehe |
| 11:20.49 | LinuxCode | I ddint say purchase |
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| 11:20.58 | LinuxCode | throws it at you |
| 11:21.04 | lcuk | ducks |
| 11:21.06 | LinuxCode | it was avery good phone in 2002 |
| 11:21.12 | LinuxCode | played video |
| 11:21.26 | LinuxCode | excellent to watch star trek episodes at University |
| 11:21.35 | LinuxCode | during boring VB lectures |
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| 11:23.15 | Jaffa | Is it possible for a VB lecture to be anything but boring? The help's alright and you can figure it out as you go |
| 11:24.03 | Stskeeps | bring strippers |
| 11:24.08 | lcuk | vb is a lovely framework if used correctly |
| 11:24.18 | LinuxCode | *puke* |
| 11:24.31 | LinuxCode | lcuk, sorry, I think I made a mess of your shoes |
| 11:24.35 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
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| 11:24.59 | lcuk | wasn t wearing shoes :| |
| 11:25.07 | lcuk | wiggles toes and lets chunks fall out |
| 11:25.12 | zeev | Stskeeps: 1) when is it supposed to come? 2) how will I get access to HSDPA of some provider? do I have to place their SIM-card into tablet? Does the tablet have a place to insert it? |
| 11:25.12 | lcuk | next time do it elsewhere |
| 11:25.47 | Stskeeps | zeev: 1) no idea 2) pay for it (3g), yes probably - but be aware, we're not talking of a tablet that's on the market right now |
| 11:25.48 | LinuxCode | zeev, so many questions we all would like answered |
| 11:26.02 | lcuk | i fail to see how you can access a hsdpa modem without a sim |
| 11:26.12 | Stskeeps | lcuk: cdma silliness maybe? :P dunno |
| 11:26.13 | LinuxCode | lcuk, magic |
| 11:26.45 | LinuxCode | we should insist on product dev openness in the GPL |
| 11:26.49 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 11:26.51 | LinuxCode | j/k |
| 11:27.06 | LinuxCode | is restless waiting for a new tablet |
| 11:27.18 | roope | So many different speculations. :) |
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| 11:27.49 | lcuk | hiya roope |
| 11:27.55 | lcuk | i like the solar panels idea! |
| 11:28.01 | LinuxCode | I think we should kidnap Ari's kids and that then force faster development |
| 11:28.06 | Stskeeps | roope: it's this or bacon |
| 11:28.12 | jeremiah_ | LinuxCode: GPL v.3 tries to address that |
| 11:28.30 | LinuxCode | jeremiah_, it does ? |
| 11:28.35 | LinuxCode | not so sure that would be smart |
| 11:28.45 | LinuxCode | compnaies might shy away from Linux then ;-| |
| 11:28.48 | jeremiah_ | LinuxCode: It tries to stop TiVoization and software patents |
| 11:28.54 | jeremiah_ | LinuxCode: Unlikely |
| 11:29.03 | lcuk | spits towards the patents word |
| 11:29.03 | roope | It's healthier than bacon. |
| 11:29.05 | Stskeeps | jeremiah_: that has nothing to deal with product dev openness though :P |
| 11:29.17 | Jaffa | GPL v4'll address RMS' new tirade against web-based apps |
| 11:29.20 | LinuxCode | hands lcuk a brown paper bag in case he has to puke |
| 11:29.21 | Stskeeps | just makes sure we can replace the firmware, a freedom we already have :P |
| 11:29.22 | jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: A little bit actually. |
| 11:29.26 | lcuk | hehjaffa |
| 11:29.33 | jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: Yes, that is the best thing. |
| 11:29.49 | LinuxCode | Stskeeps, brings Jornada 710 memories back |
| 11:29.52 | LinuxCode | lol |
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| 11:30.13 | lcuk | i love the idea of having the license embedded in the system, but think gpl3 still has issues |
| 11:30.15 | Stskeeps | jeremiah_: when i say product dev openness i speak of "developing new products in the open", which is completely unrealistic when mixed with a HW vendor :) |
| 11:30.25 | lcuk | already puts gpl in a kinetic scrollable viewer ;) |
| 11:30.30 | Stskeeps | some parts will still be under wraps / "not published yet" |
| 11:30.38 | LinuxCode | Stskeeps, yeh |
| 11:30.43 | LinuxCode | Id expect that |
| 11:30.52 | jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: Well, I dunno. There are some companies doing that kinda thing. But you are mostly likely right. |
| 11:30.54 | LinuxCode | dont like it, but it makes sense for a vendor |
| 11:31.10 | lcuk | Stskeeps, not published isnt a problem under any stretch of the imagination |
| 11:31.35 | Stskeeps | lcuk: any tablet product ever has been discussed on iTT anyway. it's like the monkeys writing shakespeare. |
| 11:31.42 | Stskeeps | as in, any future ones possible |
| 11:31.42 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:31.56 | lcuk | thats exactly like liqbase - its not overtly pushed but at time of release it will be open |
| 11:32.00 | lcuk | lol yeah |
| 11:32.35 | lcuk | we have orbital maneuvering thrusters on the n12300347 |
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| 11:33.33 | roope | it'll bend spoons, just like uri gellar. |
| 11:33.49 | suihkulokki | there is no spoon |
| 11:34.58 | roope | well whatever it is, it'll appear pretty bent. |
| 11:37.18 | LinuxCode | lcuk, btw, I couldnt donate my N810 anyway |
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| 11:37.23 | LinuxCode | it was a gift |
| 11:37.38 | LinuxCode | finds it rude to sell or give away gifts |
| 11:37.41 | lcuk | has a spoon on his finger |
| 11:37.50 | Stskeeps | LinuxCode: depends if it has more purpose at the receivers |
| 11:37.59 | LinuxCode | I suppose |
| 11:38.30 | LinuxCode | but then tbh, Id donate it to the fedora-arm guys |
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| 11:39.52 | Stskeeps | is just happy he got a donated n800 when his broke. |
| 11:40.14 | LinuxCode | thats another reason to keep the older model |
| 11:40.17 | LinuxCode | as backup |
| 11:41.00 | zeev | if it wasn't announced how do you know it will have HSDPA? |
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| 11:41.51 | Stskeeps | that part was announced |
| 11:41.52 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 12:00.14 | |dl9pf| | rumors about the ETA ? |
| 12:00.20 | Stskeeps | nop |
| 12:00.30 | Stskeeps | but i think the first beta came a bit of a surprise to some |
| 12:01.02 | |dl9pf| | so "sooner than later" |
| 12:01.15 | Stskeeps | we'll see i guess, i am sold already ;) |
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| 12:16.37 | RST38h | moos at pupnik and Sts |
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| 13:14.33 | samppa | i really dont like the outlook of discussion section on new maemo.org |
| 13:14.48 | samppa | is there a way to change bg colour to black and text to white? |
| 13:15.00 | Jaffa | samppa: there's a whole thread you can rant about it on (and no, NAFAIK at the moment) |
| 13:15.17 | samppa | Jaffa: okey, i dont find orange text so easy to read on white bg |
| 13:16.05 | sqwable | annoying but more web2.0 |
| 13:16.21 | Jaffa | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28594 |
| 13:16.23 | samppa | and there is no room for usability in w2.0 ? |
| 13:16.45 | sqwable | :) |
| 13:21.06 | sqwable | What are you supposed to do when a python program gives ImportError: no module named osso, but python2.5-osso is installed? |
| 13:22.04 | sqwable | Im really poor at python stuff |
| 13:22.24 | Jaffa | sqwable: complain to the author? |
| 13:22.39 | sqwable | oh |
| 13:22.55 | sqwable | so theres nothing one can do? damn |
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| 13:25.43 | sqwable | Jaffa, the error comes from a line that says "import osso", I don't think its an issue with the code |
| 13:26.07 | Jaffa | sqwable: It's an issue with the packaging if it's not pulling in stuff which works correctly. |
| 13:26.17 | Jaffa | (yes, this is probably solvable by you; but I don't know how OTTOMH) |
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| 13:27.18 | sqwable | Thing is, I reinstalled os2008 an hour ago |
| 13:27.31 | sqwable | because I wanted to make it work, but it still doesnt |
| 13:27.55 | sqwable | It must be a very strange configuration error |
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| 13:30.11 | sqwable | Jaffa, you were right it was a packaging thing.. apt-get remove, then installed seems to have shaken something loose.. it worked (the app still doesnt work though, d-bus library error this time) |
| 13:30.25 | sqwable | s/installed/install |
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| 13:35.53 | sqwable | yay |
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| 14:00.04 | RST38h | "In the event the red triangle is on top, the user will automatically fail, and in most cases, the most catastrophic way possible which always results in at least the death of the user." |
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| 14:19.09 | thopiekar | is it true that maemo5 will be available on n8x0? |
| 14:19.18 | thopiekar | I mean not as HE's? |
| 14:19.35 | Jaffa | thopiekar: Correct. Nokia's hacker editions were always side projects and under utilised. |
| 14:20.00 | Jaffa | The community is providing a hacker edition of as much of Maemo 5 as possible (and you can install it now): http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer |
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| 14:20.36 | thopiekar | but a nokia supported version of maemo5 wouldn't be available.. just 4.1.. right? |
| 14:20.42 | Jaffa | Correct. |
| 14:20.44 | thopiekar | k |
| 14:20.49 | Jaffa | But Nokia didn't support the HEs either. |
| 14:20.59 | Jaffa | And Nokia are involved in providing support to the folks behind Mer |
| 14:21.08 | Jaffa | (i.e. opening components etc.) |
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| 14:24.58 | thopiekar | -.-' they could start with opengl-support first.. |
| 14:25.57 | Jaffa | http://wiki.maemo.org/Drivers_justification and http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Drivers_justification |
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| 15:17.01 | RST38h | Yes, please: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/04/nes-mouse.jpg |
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| 15:47.41 | aquatix | RST38h: oh wow |
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| 16:20.54 | Stskeeps | 'lo MoonTiger :) |
| 16:21.01 | MoonTiger | waves |
| 16:21.04 | MoonTiger | hi :) |
| 16:21.09 | Stskeeps | how's stuff? |
| 16:21.21 | MoonTiger | the weather in the uk is shit |
| 16:21.25 | MoonTiger | but thats to be expected |
| 16:21.31 | MoonTiger | otherwise all is good |
| 16:21.32 | MoonTiger | :) |
| 16:21.54 | qwerty12 | Lol, we actually had some sunny days (*shock*) but now it's all, like you say, shit :/ |
| 16:22.10 | MoonTiger | yah .... im visiting the family units in the midlands |
| 16:22.19 | MoonTiger | back home to sunny spain next week tho |
| 16:23.36 | MoonTiger | oh hey guys... |
| 16:23.45 | bitentropy | is there anyway to upgrade the os2007 to os2008 using the tablet instead flashing from a pc? |
| 16:23.53 | MoonTiger | i installed the anjuta plugin for maemo dev and it generates error code |
| 16:24.02 | MoonTiger | anybody know how to fix it? |
| 16:24.22 | MoonTiger | bitentropy, not afaik |
| 16:24.34 | luke-jr_ | anyone here good w/ Git? |
| 16:27.01 | bitentropy | MoonTiger thanks. bad news, but i will try with the nokia updater asap |
| 16:28.01 | MoonTiger | bitentropy, any reason you can't use a pc? |
| 16:30.16 | bitentropy | MoonTiger none, just disponibility |
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| 16:32.12 | MoonTiger | bitentropy, hehe ok :) |
| 16:32.50 | bitentropy | =) |
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| 16:46.59 | Meizirkki | I just broke my keyboard .. |
| 16:47.03 | Stskeeps | :( |
| 16:47.08 | Stskeeps | Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4.0.0), intltool, libhildon1-dev, libgtk2.0-dev, libosso-gnomevfs2-dev, libglib2.0-dev, libdbus-glib-1-dev, libosso-dev, conbtdialogs-dev, libhildonfm2-dev, osso-af-settings, libmodest-dbus-client-dev |
| 16:47.12 | Stskeeps | in maemopad dependancies |
| 16:47.17 | Jaffa | Lovely |
| 16:47.17 | Stskeeps | have they gone absolutely mad? |
| 16:47.49 | Stskeeps | ah. "Send by e-mail" probably. |
| 16:47.53 | qwerty12 | What's wrong? It seems correct for the functionality it has. |
| 16:48.09 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 16:48.32 | Jaffa | Would be nice if that was done via delegating to a single library, rather than needing a conbtdialogs-dev dep. |
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| 16:50.22 | _gpg_ | hello |
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| 16:51.03 | _gpg_ | i've read on somme pages "qdbusmonitor", can anyone tell me what's/where can i find this application plaese ? |
| 16:52.23 | qwerty12 | If you don't know what it is for, why do you need it installed? |
| 16:53.12 | _gpg_ | qwerty12, smart answer |
| 16:53.30 | qwerty12 | Nothing smart, I'm just wondering. :) |
| 16:53.37 | _gpg_ | qwerty12, i've read somewhere Qt also incorporates the graphical qdbusmonitor enables to browse all services and objects on the D-Bus and also to call methods or receive signals. |
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| 16:54.35 | _gpg_ | qwerty12, i know qt ery well but it the first time i heard about "qdbusmonitor", it's not a part of qt itself |
| 16:55.36 | qwerty12 | No idea what "qdbusmonitor" is but dbus-monitor lets you monitor the d-bus message and system busses for messages sent to applications through it |
| 16:55.51 | _gpg_ | qwerty12, i kn ow dbus-monitor in fact |
| 16:55.58 | _gpg_ | http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/osso-muali-_dbus_and_qt_closeevent--s/ |
| 16:56.25 | _gpg_ | the paper where i've found qdbusmonitor |
| 16:58.10 | qwerty12 | Think the guy means "qdbus" and it's part of libqt4-dbus |
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| 17:16.55 | _gpg_ | qwerty12, i think so :) |
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| 18:03.29 | lcuk | wb qwerty12_N800 |
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| 18:03.47 | qwerty12_N800 | thank you lcuk |
| 18:04.32 | lcuk | are you saving the world tonight or just your usual 100+ bugfixes per hour? |
| 18:06.12 | qwerty12_N800 | nah, got science homework :p |
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| 18:09.07 | jeremiah_ | X-Fade: ping |
| 18:09.36 | jeremiah_ | Just want to make sure things are indexing as they should. :) |
| 18:10.16 | lcuk | hiya jeremiah_ \o |
| 18:10.42 | jeremiah_ | hello lcuk, how goes it? |
| 18:10.44 | jeremiah_ | :) |
| 18:11.13 | lcuk | so so, finger is sore but im still smiling :) |
| 18:11.34 | jeremiah_ | aha. Should I ask where that finger has been? |
| 18:11.56 | lcuk | its been helping nokia ovi to become finger friendly ;) |
| 18:12.27 | jeremiah_ | lcuk: Are you hacking on some sekrit project? |
| 18:12.38 | jeremiah_ | Ovi has a chance to be really big I think |
| 18:12.55 | jeremiah_ | I know Nokia believes in it. |
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| 18:13.02 | jeremiah_ | And they should. |
| 18:13.08 | lcuk | lol i think i became an unwitting member of a nokia research project lol. i lopped the end of it off in a nokia door |
| 18:13.29 | jeremiah_ | lcuk: Are you serious? Ouch! |
| 18:13.29 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/fingerfriendly.jpg |
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| 18:14.09 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: they should add yer finger to their walk of fame =) |
| 18:14.11 | jeremiah_ | lcuk: That looks broken to me. :( |
| 18:14.45 | lcuk | jeremiah_, you think? i noticed before that tho when i saw the bone itself |
| 18:15.20 | lcuk | lol qwerty i might |
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| 18:15.52 | lcuk | it will heal eventually to some degree i think |
| 18:16.04 | jeremiah_ | lcuk: You are a brave soul. |
| 18:16.20 | lcuk | no the drugs help there |
| 18:16.22 | jeremiah_ | Hope it feels better soon, so you can get back to coding with speed. |
| 18:16.42 | lcuk | ive got too much to do to actually stop tho, it slows me down but i havent been able to take a break |
| 18:17.41 | lcuk | it hurts so much more when the horse pills wear off |
| 18:18.21 | jeremiah_ | lcuk: I slammed my finger in a car door once, literally had to open the door to pull it out. |
| 18:18.26 | jeremiah_ | That hurt a lot |
| 18:18.40 | jeremiah_ | I couldn't sleep because the pain was throbbing in my finger. |
| 18:18.44 | lcuk | knows how you feel |
| 18:18.50 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.02 | jeremiah_ | Went to the hospital and they gave me codein. =) |
| 18:19.09 | jeremiah_ | That was nice. |
| 18:19.21 | lcuk | heh |
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| 18:19.40 | Gast_337_ | Hey guck mal auf dieser Seite kann man die schülerVZ profile von anderen Leuten ändern, deren nachrichten lesen und fake nachrichten verschicken und damit leute verarschen. Der Link: http://schuelervzspy.com/?d=cc2ae9a68375ed1a0b49161aedef4c24 |
| 18:19.54 | qwerty12_N800 | GTFO |
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| 18:20.08 | lcuk | but it might be tits |
| 18:20.58 | qwerty12_N800 | it could be man tits |
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| 18:21.10 | lcuk | that would be bad |
| 18:22.58 | jeremiah_ | Keine detucsh! |
| 18:23.05 | jeremiah_ | rausch! |
| 18:23.17 | jeremiah_ | WTF is detucsh? |
| 18:23.50 | qwerty12_N800 | Your offshoot of German? =) |
| 18:25.07 | luke-jr_ | Dutch is a mix of German and English, IMO |
| 18:26.45 | locutus | not really |
| 18:27.02 | locutus | (<- dutch/english/german/ripuarian speaker) |
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| 18:27.53 | jeremiah_ | Kees (and other Dutch people) would be mad at your right now lcuk. :) |
| 18:28.11 | jeremiah_ | And what the heck is ripuarian? |
| 18:28.23 | locutus | jeremiah_: germanic minority language |
| 18:28.33 | lcuk | why mad? |
| 18:28.38 | locutus | (well, group off, it gets rather specific) |
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| 18:29.20 | jeremiah_ | locutus: Ah, cool. I didn't know that. |
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| 18:29.49 | jeremiah_ | lcuk: Well, traditionally the Dutch do not necessarily think that being, or sounding German, is a compliment. |
| 18:29.58 | jeremiah_ | But that stereotype may be wearing off. |
| 18:30.20 | lcuk | ? i never said anything about the language |
| 18:30.28 | lcuk | i pondered whether the person would get tits out |
| 18:30.34 | lcuk | since qwerty said to gtfo |
| 18:30.39 | jeremiah_ | Ooops. That was luke-jr_ |
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| 18:31.09 | jeremiah_ | Sorry lcuk, I meant to say that to luke-jr_ |
| 18:31.13 | lcuk | jeremiah_, i sentence you to 3 weeks solid Visual Basic development |
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| 18:33.30 | jeremiah_ | lcuk: ! |
| 18:33.42 | jeremiah_ | Cruel and unusual punishment |
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| 18:36.21 | lcuk | jeremiah_, course its not |
| 18:36.25 | luke-jr_ | jeremiah_: hm, is cruel punishment OK if it's "usual"? |
| 18:36.43 | lcuk | or an unusual but not very cruel one |
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| 18:59.00 | Shadow__X | 2008 is diablo correct |
| 19:00.12 | jeremiah_ | Shadow__X: If you mean is diable OS2008, then yes. |
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| 19:00.53 | jeremiah_ | Sorry, s/diable/diablo/ |
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| 19:02.49 | VDVsx | RST38h, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO-N0r7Clio |
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| 19:14.13 | GAN8001 | Shadow__X, OS2008.1 is Diablo. |
| 19:14.24 | GAN8001 | Shadow__X, wikipedia has an appropriate table. |
| 19:15.13 | Shadow__X | ah ok thanks |
| 19:19.50 | RST38h | VDVsx: that would be difficult to control =) |
| 19:20.10 | VDVsx | eheh |
| 19:20.42 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I'm not liking that she wants to go off and create a separate site for videos. |
| 19:21.17 | Shadow__X | hey GeneralAntilles why is mediaserv running slow over the web interface |
| 19:21.35 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno, maybe turn off thumbnailing? |
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| 19:22.19 | Shadow__X | GeneralAntilles, whats the size of your video library |
| 19:22.24 | RST38h | |
| 19:22.41 | GeneralAntilles | Shadow__X, the only thing that really matters is the size of the directory you're browsing. |
| 19:23.11 | Shadow__X | hmm |
| 19:23.28 | Shadow__X | so what if lets say its over 1tb |
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| 19:26.18 | RST38h | whoa, kernel builds |
| 19:26.48 | rm_you| | So apparently I'll be at the Danish hackfest :) |
| 19:27.17 | Stskeeps | you will? :P |
| 19:27.57 | lcuk | they let you back into europe? or they just never let you return to america? |
| 19:28.07 | Stskeeps | rm_you|: heard johnx is going too? |
| 19:28.22 | rm_you| | yep |
| 19:28.30 | rm_you| | he called me and said he was going and told me to apply, so i did :P |
| 19:28.41 | Stskeeps | hehe |
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| 19:28.51 | rm_you| | yeah, should be fun |
| 19:29.01 | rm_you| | I might go back to WA for a week before to get some pre-hacking in with him |
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| 19:29.22 | Stskeeps | sounds good |
| 19:29.47 | Stskeeps | if you're bored, working on taking brightness out of the cold dead hands of DSME and into HAL and maybe powerlaunch could be an idea :P |
| 19:29.52 | Stskeeps | (making ABL cross platform) |
| 19:29.53 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:30.01 | rm_you| | yeah |
| 19:30.01 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Well, there's no good place for user tutorials in a structured manner on maemo.org at the moment; but a lot of the discussion in the thread was like "and the council would go off and do the work" |
| 19:30.05 | rm_you| | john suggested that just now |
| 19:30.09 | rm_you| | i was gonna do it next week |
| 19:30.21 | Stskeeps | btw, Hot topics on wiki: Danish weekend maybe? |
| 19:30.23 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, the wiki. |
| 19:30.37 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Hmm. |
| 19:30.54 | GeneralAntilles | Just because it's not structured well enough doesn't mean it's impossible TO structure. |
| 19:31.05 | GeneralAntilles | and I'd really rather have the documentation in one place. |
| 19:31.45 | Jaffa | Indeed. Can be a lot of work to /keep/ structured, though. But then, I was for a lot of the root-level pages on the revamped site being part of the wiki (i.e. using the wiki of more of a CMS than midgard) |
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| 19:34.55 | GeneralAntilles | I'd really rather see the text documentation and the video documentation side-by-side. |
| 19:35.12 | GeneralAntilles | People can pick what they prefer and go to the other if they're confused or miss something. |
| 19:35.46 | GeneralAntilles | On a side note, damn Reggie's kicking ass in Bugzilla. |
| 19:35.55 | timeless_mbp | ? |
| 19:36.09 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: can you /msg me? my irc client is drunk |
| 19:36.11 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: yup (on both) |
| 19:45.42 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: My experience with Yahoo! Pipes makes me think we can do something in the wiki/YouTube which should satisfy everyone. |
| 19:45.48 | Jaffa | (see post #26) |
| 19:46.28 | lcuk | if i "chroot" a folder, does the system expect everything in there, or is it possible to make the system step backwards to the original / folder? |
| 19:46.57 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: you usually want hardlinks |
| 19:47.27 | Stskeeps | lcuk: mount --bind works too |
| 19:47.32 | lcuk | im wanting to configure and setup the system for installing - by laying everything out in its proper folder layouts |
| 19:47.47 | lcuk | but without having to wade through the "real" stuff |
| 19:47.59 | lcuk | what would it do Stskeeps |
| 19:48.18 | lcuk | timeless, i want neither really, its just a thought and advancement on the way i did it in original liqbase |
| 19:48.22 | Stskeeps | lcuk: mount --bind / /chroot/host |
| 19:48.29 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:48.58 | lcuk | ahhh nice |
| 19:49.25 | Jaffa | jeremiah_: your, or X-Fade's, assistance may be needed in http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28626 at some point |
| 19:50.00 | Jaffa | really loves the new talk theme - it fits so well into the rest of the site :) |
| 19:50.38 | GeneralAntilles | Much purtier with post titles removed. |
| 19:51.19 | GeneralAntilles | wishes andre__ would get back with testzilla access or something. :P |
| 19:51.24 | Jaffa | Aye, most threads don't involve a subject change half way through |
| 19:51.45 | lcuk | thanks Stskeeps :) |
| 19:51.55 | GeneralAntilles | I'd be in favor of removing the post title entirely if it wouldn't affect the various other forum views. |
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| 19:56.30 | GeneralAntilles | Comcast's new policy seems to be "kill the connection once a day around noon". |
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| 19:56.48 | johnx_ | GeneralAntilles, seeing the same thing here |
| 19:56.51 | Stskeeps | saves bandwidth, torrents have to pick back up speed ;) |
| 19:57.09 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, they already throttle them to hell. |
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| 19:58.29 | rm_you| | lol |
| 19:58.43 | rm_you| | I use random local cable company X, they're great :P |
| 19:58.50 | rm_you| | I highly recommend random no-names :P |
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| 20:00.38 | RST38h | ``yep |
| 20:01.08 | RST38h | they actually care sometimes |
| 20:03.59 | rm_you| | so can I add my name to the participants list on the wiki or do I have to wait for them to re-export and then just edit my info? |
| 20:04.43 | Stskeeps | they reexport afaik |
| 20:05.00 | rm_you| | k i will wait then |
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| 20:08.12 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you|, great if that's an option. |
| 20:08.57 | rm_you| | yeah, I know sometimes comcast/timewarner/etc kill off the little companies :( |
| 20:09.11 | GeneralAntilles | I really like Brighthouse back home, though. |
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| 20:19.11 | rm_you| | GA: up to 61k downloads :P lol |
| 20:19.28 | rm_you| | looks at download statistics |
| 20:19.38 | rm_you| | that means... |
| 20:19.39 | Stskeeps | when reflashing recently i out of habit clicked same place i had ABL before and just went .. "wtf is this thing" |
| 20:19.42 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:19.50 | rm_you| | about 8000 actual users IMO? |
| 20:20.01 | rm_you| | or at least, installed on 8000 actively updating tablets |
| 20:20.12 | rm_you| | lol |
| 20:20.46 | rm_you| | after finals next week I get to go into Maemo Mode :P |
| 20:20.57 | rm_you| | which means I can actually push qwerty's patches and start work on the control panel |
| 20:21.11 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 20:21.13 | rm_you| | and making it work with other devices |
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| 20:22.09 | Stskeeps | ponders where to dust up more gtk coders |
| 20:22.11 | lcuk | 6 months of being awol accounts for about 800 installs a day |
| 20:22.22 | lcuk | doe! |
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| 20:22.35 | lcuk | 44 even |
| 20:22.39 | rm_you| | lol |
| 20:22.40 | lcuk | can blame it on the finger |
| 20:22.57 | rm_you| | yep |
| 20:23.02 | rm_you| | 44.44 by my count : |
| 20:23.02 | rm_you| | :P |
| 20:23.16 | lcuk | ahhh it failed sometimes :P |
| 20:23.24 | rm_you| | lol |
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| 20:31.29 | plastun | I set width and height of GtkButton and put it into GtkHBox. why on maemo GtkHBox stretched???!!!! On desktop everything is OK. |
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| 20:37.50 | konttori_ | yes! Imeem.com works on the device |
| 20:38.00 | konttori_ | starts enjoying some cool tracks |
| 20:39.12 | GeneralAntilles | "the" device? ;) |
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| 20:44.32 | ShadowJK_ | I want a beagleboard too ;) |
| 20:46.02 | Jaffa | plastun: Using Maemo 5? |
| 20:46.13 | plastun | no, maemo 4 |
| 20:46.37 | plastun | Jaffa: do you use glade? |
| 20:47.14 | Jaffa | plastun: Not recently. |
| 20:48.00 | plastun | ( i need roght advice of using gtk containers |
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| 20:48.12 | plastun | *right |
| 20:48.33 | RST38h | Ah, konttori, here you are... |
| 20:48.39 | RST38h | konttori: I have tried UKMP. |
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| 20:51.15 | jeremiah_ | Why can't Nokia just fix the toolchain so one doesn't get nasty spurious warnings when installing the SDK? |
| 20:51.21 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 20:51.26 | jeremiah_ | *hurumf* |
| 20:51.38 | GeneralAntilles | "Why can't Nokia just fix . . ." is a popular way to start questions. :P |
| 20:52.08 | Jaffa | Tooling is the biggest problem in Maemo, IMNSHO |
| 20:52.12 | jeremiah_ | GeneralAntilles: True. Well, they can just release the source to us and we can do it. |
| 20:52.20 | ShadowJK_ | heh. |
| 20:52.49 | jeremiah_ | Jaffa: I think you are right. I think you have put your finger on a big issue. |
| 20:52.59 | Stskeeps | history proves source won't bring community. |
| 20:53.02 | ShadowJK_ | Are there really critical things missing in order for community to make their own toolchain? |
| 20:53.25 | RST38h | Sts <-- speaketh the truth |
| 20:53.28 | jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: I think history proves you wrong there, debian is huge. |
| 20:53.38 | Stskeeps | unless people take up the hatchet and plan and act |
| 20:53.46 | ShadowJK_ | I bet lcuk never installed the sdk, yet he manages ;p |
| 20:53.52 | jeremiah_ | Ah - important caveat. |
| 20:53.54 | lcuk | i have it installed |
| 20:53.57 | lcuk | i just dont use it |
| 20:54.02 | ShadowJK_ | right :) |
| 20:54.02 | lcuk | i hate scratchbox |
| 20:54.09 | lcuk | and the brainfuck of systems within systems |
| 20:54.14 | jeremiah_ | One shouldn't have to have an SDK |
| 20:54.18 | RST38h | jeremiah: One example does not make the statement true |
| 20:54.36 | Jaffa | Community can make source vibrant. It's all very chicken & egg. |
| 20:54.47 | lcuk | ShadowJK_, watch my most recent vid - it shows me building liqbase from the console on the device |
| 20:54.48 | jeremiah_ | RST38h: Lots of linux distros are free, with lots of free source code available. |
| 20:54.58 | ShadowJK_ | For the small things I've wanted compiled I've just done it on the device... |
| 20:55.20 | lcuk | sheeple principle |
| 20:55.25 | lcuk | people like to be in crowds |
| 20:55.32 | lcuk | so some grow massive |
| 20:56.00 | lcuk | applies to pretty much everything in life |
| 20:56.02 | Jaffa | There must be a good way of being able to do desktop-based development without jumping through all sorts of hoops. iPhone manages it well (but depends on OS X), Android manages it well (by using a portable bytecode and VM), hmm. |
| 20:56.25 | RST38h | jeremiah: A Linux distro is not the same thing as a single application |
| 20:56.26 | ShadowJK_ | What do you mean by desktop-based development? |
| 20:56.37 | RST38h | jeremiah: If you look at single applications you won't see many viable communities |
| 20:56.48 | RST38h | jeremiah: most of the time it is just one or two people working on an app |
| 20:56.52 | lcuk | jaffa, the problem is the disconnect i see everyone having |
| 20:56.58 | Stskeeps | jeremiah_: the point is.. just because Modest is oss it won't have a community for it |
| 20:56.59 | lcuk | i compile and run natively and live |
| 20:57.05 | Jaffa | ShadowJK_: People like lcuk do some development on the tablet, this shortcuts some of the problems of environment/cross-compilation etc. |
| 20:57.08 | lcuk | and i ctrl the actual program from the same screen |
| 20:57.35 | Stskeeps | if noone acts and involves people actively |
| 20:57.51 | RST38h | BTW, there is a system-level tablet simulation based on qemu |
| 20:57.55 | ShadowJK_ | the tablet runs editors fast enough (I haven't tried emacs though ;) and you can ssh into it... I hardly notice a difference whether the editor is executing on my desktop when I'm writing stuff for my usual Linux box or if the editor is executing on the desktop... |
| 20:58.20 | Jaffa | With the beefier processors coming, this may be more feasible for everyone else: have a small frontend on the desktop, mounted FS over USB/WLAN and perhaps VNC and let the OMAP3 do all the grunt work |
| 20:58.23 | lcuk | ShadowJK_, you are right, theres plenty of backend horsepower on the device |
| 20:58.55 | lcuk | WHY VNC? |
| 20:58.55 | Stskeeps | anyhow, you're all repeating what ended up being the maemo reconstructed outline |
| 20:58.55 | ShadowJK_ | I only notice when I break out of editor to run gcc, that it doesn't return instantly like on my desktop :) |
| 20:58.55 | lcuk | the tablet sits nicely near you so you can test |
| 20:59.36 | Jaffa | lcuk: Indeed. There might be /some/ circumstances where VNC is useful so you don't have to shift your vision/pick up the stylus (if there is one ;-)) etc. to test a small tweak. |
| 20:59.41 | GeneralAntilles | Can somebody poke the Modest guys about moving their plugin stuff to the real wiki. |
| 21:00.03 | lcuk | jaffa, i would hate to go back to windowed, the tablet doesnt need a pen (unlike the x41) |
| 21:00.23 | lcuk | and i must say having it never overlap but still under the direct control of the desktop is a godsend |
| 21:00.56 | jeremiah_ | RST38h: Not even close, Apache has a huge community. |
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| 21:01.27 | Jaffa | I'm sure. But a) I suggested it as an option; and b) this is about making Maemo development more accessible and easy, so not limiting the options. The trouble is there's pretty much one "normal" way of doing Maemo development and it's hard. Make a really easy way, and more of it gets done. |
| 21:01.28 | jeremiah_ | Again, I think Jaffa is right about desktop-based development, we have to jump through too many hoops |
| 21:01.29 | RST38h | jeremiah: You keep giving concrete examples |
| 21:01.51 | lcuk | yeah jaffa |
| 21:01.53 | jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: The point is, if I had the sources, I could fix the problems. |
| 21:02.14 | jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: The problems are small and trivial, and they can be fixed, but Nokia has other priorities. |
| 21:02.15 | RST38h | jeremiah: To prove your point, you need statistics: Debian has X packages in its repos, Y of these packages have sizable (>10 people) communitiies |
| 21:02.29 | jeremiah_ | RST38h: okay, look at the debian perl team |
| 21:02.40 | RST38h | jeremiah: if Y/X is significantly large, your point is proven |
| 21:02.45 | jeremiah_ | 60+ developers, 1000+ packages |
| 21:02.55 | jeremiah_ | Catalyst, Jifty, mod_perl |
| 21:02.57 | RST38h | Ok. |
| 21:03.03 | jeremiah_ | All handled by us. |
| 21:03.14 | RST38h | So, that is one project, right? |
| 21:03.17 | jeremiah_ | Give me the source, I will fix your broken code. |
| 21:03.47 | RST38h | I doubt that |
| 21:03.55 | jeremiah_ | Well, look at debian. |
| 21:04.01 | jeremiah_ | That is what they say and do. |
| 21:04.04 | RST38h | See above |
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| 21:04.20 | RST38h | Not concrete examples, statistics |
| 21:04.46 | jeremiah_ | Your logic is backwards, statistics come from concrete examples. |
| 21:05.19 | RST38h | jeremiah: no, my logic is that the proof of "source = community" statement should come from statistics |
| 21:05.33 | luke-jr_ | jeremiah_: nope |
| 21:05.39 | luke-jr_ | jeremiah_: statistics come from thin air |
| 21:05.43 | ShadowJK_ | It's pretty interesting how people approach the whole developing for tablet thing anyway... I was like "hm... need a sshd.. good, I can log in to it... now an editor... where's gcc?", and other people are like "where's the emulator plugin for emacs^Weclipse?" |
| 21:05.53 | RST38h | jeremiah: you are trying to prove it with a few concrete examples, disregarding the fact that for each of your examples there are 100 packages with source available but without community |
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| 21:06.36 | lcuk | ShadowJK_, agreed, i didnt think thats how i handle dev it appears like now i sit at a desk and expect the tools to be at hand |
| 21:06.39 | jeremiah_ | RST38h: Look, all I'm saying is that Nokia can easily get a GPG key to sign these packages I am installing. |
| 21:06.48 | jeremiah_ | RST38h: Is that really so much to ask? |
| 21:06.57 | RST38h | jeremiah: not really, this sounds reasonable |
| 21:07.11 | jeremiah_ | If they don't have time, let me do it. |
| 21:07.17 | RST38h | jeremiah: if they understand and care, that is |
| 21:07.17 | jeremiah_ | I am happy to do it. |
| 21:07.19 | lcuk | popular source is popular |
| 21:07.44 | jeremiah_ | lcuk: Weighing in with the tautologies are we? |
| 21:07.55 | lcuk | well i cant do much else lol |
| 21:08.08 | RST38h | feeds lcuk bacon |
| 21:08.25 | lcuk | its not bacon i need i want the pills to kick in |
| 21:08.32 | RST38h | lcuk: :( |
| 21:09.19 | lcuk | jeremiah_, garage has got git support now hasnt it |
| 21:10.25 | jeremiah_ | lcuk: Yes - I believe it does |
| 21:10.39 | RST38h | "...the new Star Trek XI movie, the reboot, will not have any spoken Klingon in it Á |
| 21:10.50 | RST38h | hehehe |
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| 21:10.52 | jeremiah_ | You know things are bad when lcuk doesn't want any bacon |
| 21:10.52 | ShadowJK_ | wtf? |
| 21:11.07 | jeremiah_ | NO KLINGON? |
| 21:11.08 | ShadowJK_ | will there be klingons in it but no spoken klingon? |
| 21:11.13 | jeremiah_ | What am I paying for? |
| 21:11.14 | ShadowJK_ | or will there be no klingons period? |
| 21:11.14 | RST38h | apparently |
| 21:11.34 | lcuk | they dropped the scene in rura penthe didnt they |
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| 21:12.12 | RST38h | they will just release it on DVD in "uncut" version, and sell it to you for $120. |
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| 21:12.27 | lcuk | im gonna vanish for a bit |
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| 21:12.32 | lcuk | thx j |
| 21:12.33 | lardman|home | evening |
| 21:13.03 | RST38h | g'luck lcuk |
| 21:13.07 | RST38h | moo lardman |
| 21:13.13 | lardman|home | hi RST38h |
| 21:13.27 | lardman|home | lcuk: trying to stop the onset of gangrene? |
| 21:13.35 | qwerty12_N800 | morning lardman|home |
| 21:13.48 | lardman|home | qwerty12_N800: for someone no doubt ;) |
| 21:13.59 | lardman|home | "morning" to you too qwerty12_N800 |
| 21:14.02 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe |
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| 21:15.09 | qwerty12_N800 | hits the buttons on RST38h's keyboard |
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| 21:15.30 | Firebird | blip |
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| 21:16.32 | lardman|home | hmm, 3 swine flu cases in London now... |
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| 21:19.35 | lardman|home | hmm, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8026736.stm trip 400ms off the shutdown time by trimming the length of the shutdown sound effects, sounds like a pretty important step in both technical and user-experience terms |
| 21:20.39 | jaska | considering one of the first things done to a windows installation is rip out the stupid sounds :D |
| 21:20.41 | RST38h | "It's indicative of really the level and detail and scrutiny on Windows 7." |
| 21:20.47 | RST38h | curses |
| 21:20.53 | lardman|home | lol |
| 21:21.16 | lardman|home | I wonder if that "indicative" was supposed to be ironic? |
| 21:21.27 | RST38h | Just throw it out of the window already and go with a Unix kernel. |
| 21:22.25 | luke-jr_ | there is a "Unix kernel" |
| 21:22.27 | luke-jr_ | ? |
| 21:22.39 | luke-jr_ | oh, context |
| 21:22.49 | RST38h | luke: FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, or Solaris all qualify as Unix kernels |
| 21:23.11 | luke-jr_ | i c |
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| 21:23.32 | jeremiah_ | RST38h: Not really. |
| 21:23.48 | lardman|home | unix-style then? |
| 21:23.52 | jeremiah_ | The BSDs share a kernel, Darwin uses a Mach kernel called Xnu |
| 21:24.07 | luke-jr_ | jeremiah_: since when? |
| 21:24.31 | jeremiah_ | luke-jr_: Since they moved to OS X |
| 21:24.38 | luke-jr_ | I mean BSDs sharing a kernel |
| 21:25.22 | jeremiah_ | luke-jr_: Well, they can, and did, but most likely don't right now. |
| 21:25.32 | jeremiah_ | Linux is just a kernel. |
| 21:25.48 | luke-jr_ | I'm aware Linux is just a kernel |
| 21:25.59 | jeremiah_ | So when debian adds support for a *BSD kernel, you can have a debian GNU userland |
| 21:26.04 | jeremiah_ | and a *BSD kernel |
| 21:26.10 | luke-jr_ | Debian has already done so |
| 21:26.15 | luke-jr_ | FreeBSD's kernel |
| 21:26.18 | jeremiah_ | luke-jr_: Not really. |
| 21:26.23 | jeremiah_ | It is on the way. |
| 21:26.29 | jeremiah_ | It will take a while. |
| 21:26.33 | luke-jr_ | jeremiah_: last I heard it was officially supported |
| 21:26.56 | jeremiah_ | luke-jr_: Well, you may not have read the entire announcement. :) |
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| 21:27.30 | mavhc | question is: why is windows single tasking whilst playing a shut down sound? |
| 21:28.10 | lardman|home | mavhc: oh it's not that of couse, it's just so fast at shutting everything else down that it has to wait on the 3s shutdown sound ;) |
| 21:28.57 | lardman|home | though in reality I imagine the shutdown sound is user dependent, so it can't log the user out before it's played it |
| 21:29.31 | mavhc | not as if vista shuts down anyway, it defaults to sleep mode |
| 21:30.37 | lardman|home | no idea, I've only had the misfortune to have to fix it on my mother-in-law-to-be's laptop |
| 21:30.59 | lardman|home | and laptops always do wierd stuff |
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| 21:38.41 | RST38h | jeremiah: BSDs do not share kernel |
| 21:39.21 | RST38h | jeremiah: Darwin, which I have not mentione don the list, uses Mach microkernel with FreeBSD kernel on top |
| 21:40.24 | RST38h | jeremiah: I am not sure what BSD-based Debian is, but my guess is that it is FreeBSD with userland from Debian, whatever reasons for such a strange hybride may be |
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| 21:42.21 | jeremiah_ | RST38h: Mach with Apple's change on the *BSD kernel is called Xnu. |
| 21:42.55 | jeremiah_ | RST38h: The *BSDs share an API to the kernel, which means that there is more in common than not. |
| 21:43.11 | lardman|home | feels slightly perturbed at having started an argument in a roundabout way |
| 21:43.19 | jeremiah_ | Which is why debian can stick debian GNU userland on top. |
| 21:43.21 | lardman|home | in any case good night chaps |
| 21:43.26 | jeremiah_ | No argument. :) |
| 21:43.42 | jeremiah_ | lardman: Sweet bacon dreams. |
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| 21:44.00 | RST38h | jeremiah: Sorry, BSDs really have DIFFERENT kernels |
| 21:44.05 | RST38h | Whatever APIs they share. |
| 21:44.25 | jeremiah_ | RST38h: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XNU |
| 21:44.27 | RST38h | OpenBSD kernel should be more similar to FreeBSD but that is because it has been forked from it |
| 21:44.36 | luke-jr_ | jeremiah_: err, no |
| 21:44.47 | luke-jr_ | jeremiah_: Debian's GNU/kFreeBSD is *only* FreeBSD's kernel |
| 21:44.50 | RST38h | jeremiah: As I said, not mentioning Darwin as a Unix kernel. |
| 21:45.29 | RST38h | jeremiah: Yes, it is CMU Mach with truncated FreeBSD kernel on top. That does not change anything. |
| 21:46.08 | penguinbait | anyone know how to adjust the file system cache in linux, is it manually adjustable? |
| 21:46.42 | RST38h | penguinbait: I *think* it always takes all free memory |
| 21:47.58 | RST38h | ok, real sleep mode now. |
| 21:48.46 | penguinbait | I have a friend with a system with 32GB RAM, it has 30GB RAM free, and is running balls out as an NFS server. There is a lot of disk read wait time, I assume I should be able to give some of that ram to fs cache? |
| 21:50.03 | jeremiah_ | penguinbait: Are you clustering here? |
| 21:50.16 | jeremiah_ | penguinbait: What are is your friend trying to do? |
| 21:50.51 | jeremiah_ | penguinbait: Because there are other solutions like load balancing, drbd, memcache, etc. |
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| 21:57.24 | penguinbait | thanks jeremiah, but I was looking for a quick tuning option, not wanting to redesign the entire process at this point |
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| 22:08.39 | Guest10494 | I have an ubuntu work station. How do i download Maemo SDK? |
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| 22:15.03 | locutus | Guest10494: RTFM |
| 22:35.47 | TTilus | how do i make the (some kind of) text input assistant which appears on the bottom of screen when im typing, go away |
| 22:36.25 | TTilus | im using bt keyboard so i dont need it |
| 22:36.54 | Proteous | I just put tape over the bottom of my screen |
| 22:37.07 | Proteous | I find that masking tape works better then duct tape |
| 22:37.15 | Proteous | duct tape sometimes leaves gummy stuff on my screen |
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| 22:42.19 | TTilus | Proteous: no, no, i want it go away, not just be out of sight |
| 22:42.26 | Proteous | ooohhhhhh |
| 22:42.28 | TTilus | Proteous: could i prolly use scissors? |
| 22:42.31 | Proteous | lol |
| 22:44.13 | Proteous | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2850 |
| 22:46.32 | Proteous | I belive you can turn off autocomplete altogether in the keyboard preferences |
| 22:46.44 | Proteous | I don't have my n810 on me |
| 22:48.00 | Proteous | the comments in this thread complain about the same issue: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15330 |
| 22:48.03 | Proteous | no fix though |
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