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| 00:53.06 | LiraNuna | will Mer have gnome desktop someday? (optional?) |
| 00:53.13 | LiraNuna | I want deblet : |
| 00:53.14 | LiraNuna | :< |
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| 01:38.56 | luke-jr_ | ssvb: no, Diablo kernel |
| 01:39.09 | luke-jr_ | ssvb: the new driver doesn't work with Diablo kernel :/ |
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| 01:48.03 | nwf | Hello all. Relative newcomer to maemo wonders why the maemo-extras repository lacks a Release.gpg? It's causing my tablet's apt-get to freak out every time I go to fetch a package from said, and by extension making me nervous. :) |
| 01:48.58 | johnx | nokia does that on purpose for ... some reason? I think to emphasize that packages come from 3rd parties and shouldn't be taken as 100% trusted. |
| 01:49.28 | nwf | That's rather unfortunate... surely they could flag that in some way that didn't leave my tablet vulnerable to MITM? :) |
| 01:49.46 | timeless_mbp | um |
| 01:49.52 | timeless_mbp | you'd rather MATE? |
| 01:49.57 | timeless_mbp | (Man At The End) |
| 01:50.01 | nwf | Yes, much. |
| 01:50.08 | timeless_mbp | why? |
| 01:50.19 | johnx | timeless_mbp, well the current situation leaves you vulnerable to both ... |
| 01:50.33 | timeless_mbp | true |
| 01:50.50 | timeless_mbp | so... there's a study somewhere |
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| 01:50.59 | timeless_mbp | which talks about safety helmets |
| 01:51.10 | nwf | I mean, everybody seems to think it's a great idea (Fedora switched to it after being compromised quite thouroughly; Debian does it...) and I enjoy having my machines check that they "probably" got the right packages. |
| 01:51.16 | johnx | timeless_mbp, and how they save lives when worn on bikes and motorcycles? |
| 01:51.26 | timeless_mbp | and it basically says that there was a time before them when people were somewhat cautious because they understood that there were risks |
| 01:51.48 | timeless_mbp | and then with their advent, people became in certain areas more reckless and relied on them |
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| 01:51.51 | nwf | ... OK, so patch apt and dpkg to spit out SHA1 sums of the packages it's installing and I'll gladly do the compare by hand. =P |
| 01:51.57 | johnx | timeless_mbp, wasn't there a similar study done by car companies when they were trying to avoid having to install seatbelts? |
| 01:52.00 | timeless_mbp | the result is that helmets protect you against certain mild things |
| 01:52.18 | timeless_mbp | but instead what you get are much more serious injuries |
| 01:52.28 | timeless_mbp | shrugs |
| 01:52.33 | nwf | I... don't see the comparison, frankly. |
| 01:52.55 | timeless_mbp | johnx: wrt cars, i think we'd all be better if your car wasn't capable of going 50mph :) |
| 01:52.58 | johnx | for me it works as a nice checksum on an unreliable connection |
| 01:53.04 | nwf | There's that too. |
| 01:53.08 | timeless_mbp | kermit :) |
| 01:53.30 | timeless_mbp | shrugs |
| 01:53.44 | timeless_mbp | i don't really care |
| 01:53.49 | nwf | Again, patches to make apt use kermit welcome, but the GPG machinery exists and is used on Nokia's real repos as it stands. |
| 01:54.12 | timeless_mbp | i think extras is technically more owned by the community |
| 01:54.16 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, ABS. ;) |
| 01:54.25 | timeless_mbp | which means in theory you could try to convince X-Fade directly |
| 01:54.32 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, it's nice in dangerous conditions, I won't lie. |
| 01:54.37 | nwf | ... with slightly less snark, what's the right thing to do here? Should I file a RFE on maemo.org? |
| 01:54.50 | timeless_mbp | nwf: i'd hope you'd find there already is one |
| 01:54.59 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia still holds the keys to r.m.o |
| 01:55.11 | nwf | A few quick googles before I came to the channel didn't turn anything up, but I could have missed it. |
| 01:55.13 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: surely someone could create an additional key |
| 01:55.25 | timeless_mbp | nwf: well, it'd be in bugs.maemo.org either way |
| 01:55.31 | timeless_mbp | so search first, and file if you can't find it |
| 01:55.32 | GeneralAntilles | The metaphorical ones, not the literal ones. |
| 01:56.18 | timeless_mbp | nwf: btw arguing from a debian perspective is stupid |
| 01:56.28 | timeless_mbp | debian actually *compromised* a significant portion of the world |
| 01:57.06 | timeless_mbp | and i think you'll find that fedora had to revoke their keys because of the compromise |
| 01:57.18 | timeless_mbp | which means that anyone w/ a system that has the old keys, and bad update info |
| 01:57.46 | timeless_mbp | could be theoretically attacked by someone w/ the compromised keys if that victim doesn't manage to get the information about the revocation |
| 01:57.51 | nwf | Erm, the Debian SSL fiasco remains a separate issue. |
| 01:58.12 | timeless_mbp | signing doesn't protect against compromise |
| 01:58.15 | nwf | Yes, there are all kinds of PKI issues remaining. However, not signing the repository doesn't seem like a great solution. |
| 01:58.18 | timeless_mbp | and in fact auto signing makes things worse |
| 01:58.39 | timeless_mbp | because then you end up w/ hundreds of binaries which you think are ok, but which could be in fact not ok |
| 01:58.46 | nwf | I understand that signed packages won't protect me from compromise. it does, however, do a pretty good job of checking that I'm actually talking to the right server. |
| 01:58.56 | timeless_mbp | https. |
| 01:59.12 | timeless_mbp | and don't break the https CA rules |
| 01:59.17 | nwf | With cert checking, sure. Does r.m.o serve on https? Can I get apt to check this? |
| 01:59.48 | timeless_mbp | sadly it doesn't, that seems like a reasonable bug to file |
| 01:59.49 | nwf | (I don't really care about the mechanism; if https works and you don't mind holding my hand to get it deployed on my tablet, I'd be happy to use it instead.) |
| 02:00.03 | timeless_mbp | i might file that bug, but it's 5am |
| 02:00.15 | timeless_mbp | and i need to baby sit an upgrade and maybe pretend to sleep |
| 02:00.19 | nwf | The advantage of Release.gpg over HTTPS is that it's less work for the r.m.o server to do the Release.gpg signing. |
| 02:00.30 | timeless_mbp | well |
| 02:00.36 | timeless_mbp | r.m.o isn't one server |
| 02:00.42 | nwf | Fair, but the point remains. |
| 02:00.45 | timeless_mbp | nokia pays for akamai |
| 02:00.48 | timeless_mbp | or something like it |
| 02:00.58 | timeless_mbp | and whichever one it is can be paid to get crypto right |
| 02:01.01 | nwf | Ah, if you're using akamai, SSL is somewhat hairy, AFAIK. |
| 02:01.13 | timeless_mbp | i don't remember if it's still akamai |
| 02:01.29 | nwf | Since TLS SNI nor HTTP/1.1 Upgrade: STARTTLS haven't yet been widely deployed. |
| 02:02.22 | timeless_mbp | yeah, it's akamai |
| 02:04.32 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe if we switch over to carrier pigeons signed with lineart drawings by X-Fade. |
| 02:06.02 | johnx | timeless_mbp, what perspective can you compare it to, except for other people who run repositories? |
| 02:07.00 | johnx | actually, a big nokia modem pool and kermit would be awesome :) |
| 02:07.02 | timeless_mbp | drug dealers? :) |
| 02:07.15 | timeless_mbp | you go to china and ask for a drug |
| 02:07.30 | timeless_mbp | you don't even bother asking for the name brand, generic will be fine |
| 02:07.44 | timeless_mbp | you're shocked when it kills your pet goldfish |
| 02:08.09 | timeless_mbp | after all, you went to a drug dealer |
| 02:08.15 | timeless_mbp | isn't that what a pharmacist is? |
| 02:08.49 | timeless_mbp | ah, but was the drug dealer licensed? well no, you say, but that shouldn't matter, after all he knew how to count pills |
| 02:09.01 | johnx | I think I lost the analogy |
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| 02:09.53 | timeless_mbp | you don't just put a stamp of approval on a product and say "oh look" |
| 02:10.12 | timeless_mbp | in order for a stamp to mean something, the whole process needs to be watched |
| 02:10.30 | nwf | ... would an argument for consistency do anything for you? Either sign maemo-extras or don't sign any of the repos at all. You seem to be arguing for the latter position, AFAICT? |
| 02:10.42 | timeless_mbp | nope |
| 02:11.02 | timeless_mbp | i'm arguing that nokia is making a certain claim about the signed repository |
| 02:11.29 | GeneralAntilles | The Extras QA is not yet so rigorous that we could ensure that packages in it are safe. |
| 02:11.30 | nwf | They are making a claim that the repository was in a given configuration at a given time; that's all the Release.gpg file says. |
| 02:11.45 | timeless_mbp | that isn't what it says to users |
| 02:11.53 | timeless_mbp | and what it says to users is what matters |
| 02:11.55 | nwf | The point of signing the repositories isn't to ensure that packages are safe -- you need TAL or PCC or some other research project to materialize first to make that claim. |
| 02:12.15 | timeless_mbp | explaining that to users is impossible |
| 02:12.25 | nwf | What it says to users is that the package manager doesn't pop up the "these are not Nokia" dialog; you can surely ensure the same experience without compromising the fundamentals. |
| 02:12.26 | timeless_mbp | "here, trust me, i'm giving you something which isn't tampered" |
| 02:12.35 | timeless_mbp | "oh, so it's safe, because i trust you" |
| 02:12.36 | johnx | timeless_mbp, explaining it to users who already know how to use apt-get from the command line? |
| 02:12.44 | timeless_mbp | "and if it isn't, then it's your fault, you signed for it" |
| 02:12.49 | johnx | this never even shows in h-a-m |
| 02:13.00 | timeless_mbp | johnx: actually, it does, kinda |
| 02:13.05 | luke-jr_ | nwf: I believe that pop-up implies signed pkgs ARE guaranteed in some way |
| 02:13.13 | johnx | timeless_mbp, but there's no reason it *has* to |
| 02:13.25 | johnx | it's just arbitrary that unsigned packages trigger that |
| 02:13.41 | nwf | luke-jr_: That's a bug, not a feature, but OK, keep the pop-up for r.m.o's hypothetical newly signed status, I don't care. |
| 02:14.02 | timeless_mbp | we can't change the existing devices |
| 02:14.05 | timeless_mbp | or their behaviors |
| 02:14.09 | timeless_mbp | or the users who learned them |
| 02:14.14 | GeneralAntilles | Anyway, it's probably a topic worth discussion on the lists. |
| 02:14.17 | timeless_mbp | (in case someone actually read those dialogs) |
| 02:14.22 | nwf | ... I am not suggesting to change the device, the hardware, the behavior, or the users. |
| 02:14.34 | nwf | I am 100% OK if the user experience is not at all altered by signing r.m.o. |
| 02:14.38 | johnx | timeless_mbp, heh. which doesn't matter cause there aren't any SSUs coming down the pike to change the behavior :) |
| 02:15.03 | timeless_mbp | johnx: well, signing diablo-extras would change behaviors |
| 02:15.05 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, well, we might end up pushing some. |
| 02:15.16 | timeless_mbp | and i can't speak for maemo.org |
| 02:15.19 | timeless_mbp | i'm not council |
| 02:17.15 | nwf | Anyway, thanks for the discussion... I've filed bug 4415; if it's WONTFIXed, so be it. :) |
| 02:17.33 | GeneralAntilles | On that note, I hope we get a Nokian to at least run next election. |
| 02:17.34 | johnx | nwf, if it's WONTFIXed, check out mer. we sign our repos :) |
| 02:17.46 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: hah |
| 02:17.48 | nwf | Will mer run on my N810? |
| 02:17.52 | timeless_mbp | yes |
| 02:17.55 | nwf | knows nothing about it |
| 02:17.55 | johnx | yup |
| 02:18.03 | timeless_mbp | and you're probably better served by doing so |
| 02:18.07 | nwf | I just had to reflash my N810 so I'm starting over... should I do so with mer? |
| 02:18.11 | timeless_mbp | should reflash at least one n800 w/ it |
| 02:18.23 | johnx | basically, we're taking the open source parts of maemo and basing it on ubuntu (a very thin install of ubuntu) |
| 02:18.34 | timeless_mbp | nwf: i would |
| 02:18.35 | johnx | nwf, if you have a spare sd card, I'd recommend testing on that |
| 02:18.59 | johnx | some things aren't quite there yet, but bugs (or patches!) are welcome |
| 02:19.08 | nwf | "some things" ? :) |
| 02:19.14 | johnx | sound |
| 02:19.19 | nwf | _That's_ a bummer. |
| 02:19.20 | johnx | it's *almost* there |
| 02:19.39 | johnx | power saving could be improved, but that will always be the case on any operating system :) |
| 02:19.40 | nwf | Since I use my N810 as an overglorified media player for roughly half of its uptime. ;) |
| 02:19.54 | johnx | so, dual boot from sd card if you want to give it a try |
| 02:20.16 | johnx | sound should be there in the next couple weeks (if I stop chatting and help the people doing all the work O_o;) |
| 02:20.49 | timeless_mbp | nwf: if you're big on this stuff, jump fully and help get sound working sooner :) |
| 02:21.09 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, did I also show you my bugzilla mockup? |
| 02:21.10 | timeless_mbp | but yeah, if you're afraid, start w/ an sd card |
| 02:21.15 | timeless_mbp | nope |
| 02:21.24 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/bugzilla-newstyle-test.jpg |
| 02:21.31 | GeneralAntilles | I'm not sure about the sidebar. |
| 02:21.40 | GeneralAntilles | I think it's mostly a bad idea. |
| 02:21.52 | timeless_mbp | hold on |
| 02:23.07 | timeless_mbp | see url |
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| 02:23.33 | timeless_mbp | also, is bugzilla dev or community? :) |
| 02:23.38 | timeless_mbp | mxr is clearly dev |
| 02:23.44 | jX | hey timeless, long time no see. ;) |
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| 02:23.47 | GeneralAntilles | Dev |
| 02:23.50 | timeless_mbp | hey |
| 02:23.56 | jX | salutes the General |
| 02:23.57 | timeless_mbp | ask these guys about NAT :) |
| 02:24.01 | jX | I am :) |
| 02:24.04 | jX | that's why I'm here :D |
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| 02:26.15 | jX | Ok, so, what timeless is suggesting I annoy you all with is this. Let's say I have a phone which I can connect to by N810 via bluetooth and surf the interwebs. Now let us say I have a laptop with wifi (or other wifi enabled device). Through what hoops do I need to jump to use the 810 as a bridge to the webotrons? |
| 02:26.36 | GeneralAntilles | adhoc might work |
| 02:26.46 | johnx | how much control of the phone's networking stack do you have? |
| 02:26.55 | jX | little? |
| 02:27.01 | jX | I mena, the 810 conencts fine, perfectly |
| 02:27.15 | jX | it's an AT&T 3g phone that the n810 can surf effortlessly |
| 02:27.28 | johnx | NAT on the N810 might work, but I would buy a $10 bt adapter for the notebook |
| 02:27.28 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, ahaha, that's what you meant. |
| 02:27.33 | GeneralAntilles | is really addled today. |
| 02:28.02 | jX | johnx: yeah, the thing here is I have 3g and my friend doesn't, so he wants to be able to connect to my 810's wifi and use my 3g with his 2g iphone while we're on teh road |
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| 02:28.27 | jX | the iphone can't tether via bluetooth |
| 02:28.30 | jX | it's crippled. |
| 02:28.44 | johnx | well, first go out and compile a kernel with all the NAT modules |
| 02:28.48 | jX | so we're thinking, his iphone can connect to my 810's wifi, then through that to the phone |
| 02:29.01 | johnx | thought I might have seen some recently |
| 02:29.12 | jX | hrm |
| 02:29.21 | jX | I could dual boot that, that'd be acceptable to me. |
| 02:29.22 | GeneralAntilles | Not gonna be much better than EDGE |
| 02:29.23 | johnx | you'll have to run NAT on the N810 |
| 02:29.28 | GeneralAntilles | Since you're bottlenecked to about 50KB/sec |
| 02:29.42 | jX | I get a littel better than that |
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| 02:33.05 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, interesting URL, but what do you think of the sidebar? |
| 02:33.36 | timeless_mbp | i think you need to consider what happens when there's most stuff there |
| 02:33.45 | timeless_mbp | bugzilla supports 3 rows of footer stuff |
| 02:34.00 | timeless_mbp | one is for saved searches and can easily have a dozen links |
| 02:34.16 | timeless_mbp | if you're an admin, you can have about a dozen links in one of the other rows |
| 02:34.22 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that's what I was worried about |
| 02:34.33 | GeneralAntilles | Plus the horizontal space usage in buglists, etc. |
| 02:34.43 | timeless_mbp | further.... bugzilla uses the right side of the bug for flags and cc lists |
| 02:34.58 | GeneralAntilles | Making all the web applications match is a pain. |
| 02:35.21 | timeless_mbp | ayup |
| 02:35.25 | locutus | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:35.34 | locutus | why is it that my N810 ALWAYS runs out of batteries in 1 day |
| 02:35.47 | GeneralAntilles | locutus, router than doesn't support PSM? |
| 02:35.53 | GeneralAntilles | Something running away in the background? |
| 02:36.04 | locutus | nothing running in the background |
| 02:36.08 | locutus | but PSM might be a good one |
| 02:36.27 | GeneralAntilles | Easy test is to see what sort of battery life you get disconnected. |
| 02:36.28 | locutus | i'll remind myself to put it in offline mode when i put it in the pack |
| 02:37.10 | GeneralAntilles | I guess I should wait until andre__ upgrades to 3.4 before playing too much with the templates. |
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| 03:13.49 | LiraNuna | doesn't OMAP has 3D acceleration? |
| 03:14.25 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
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| 03:15.03 | LiraNuna | does N8xx use it? |
| 03:15.09 | johnx | nope |
| 03:15.24 | LiraNuna | just plain framebuffer |
| 03:15.25 | LiraNuna | ? |
| 03:15.27 | johnx | yup |
| 03:15.38 | johnx | plain framebuffer with an LCD controller that has issues |
| 03:15.59 | LiraNuna | blerg |
| 03:16.08 | LiraNuna | no one tried to RE? |
| 03:16.46 | johnx | some people have a bit. it's not that simple |
| 03:17.06 | johnx | if someone stepped up and lead the effort, they might find people willing to help *hint*hint* |
| 03:17.52 | LiraNuna | hehe |
| 03:18.17 | LiraNuna | well, I RE'd the Nintendo DS and the GBA a bit |
| 03:18.47 | LiraNuna | ARM11, hmm |
| 03:19.36 | LiraNuna | btw, what's the GCC target for it? arm-elf, arm-eabi? |
| 03:19.56 | LiraNuna | arm-linux-elf/eabi? |
| 03:20.00 | johnx | I think arm-eabi |
| 03:20.33 | johnx | hmm, actually, my cross compiler is: arm-linux-gnu-gcc |
| 03:21.27 | LiraNuna | no elf? |
| 03:21.31 | LiraNuna | k |
| 03:21.34 | LiraNuna | http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?contentId=4671&navigationId=11990&templateId=6123 |
| 03:21.40 | LiraNuna | that's the chip in question? |
| 03:22.02 | johnx | yup. targeyup |
| 03:22.12 | johnx | <- cut+paste fail |
| 03:22.35 | LiraNuna | WLAN a/b/g? is a supported? |
| 03:22.45 | johnx | b/g only |
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| 03:25.10 | LiraNuna | johnx, what C library do you use for arm-linux-gnu-gcc? |
| 03:25.16 | johnx | glibc |
| 03:25.27 | LiraNuna | is used to setting up newlib |
| 03:25.45 | johnx | there's an SDK you know ... |
| 03:26.01 | LiraNuna | oh |
| 03:26.16 | LiraNuna | I'm sorry, I'm used to compiling my own toolchain :/ |
| 03:26.26 | johnx | well, go for it :) |
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| 03:26.32 | johnx | the code sourcery one works too |
| 03:26.54 | johnx | also, there were apparently some part of the driver leaked/available for an earlier version of the kernel |
| 03:27.10 | LiraNuna | link or it didn't happen :D |
| 03:27.15 | johnx | gaaah |
| 03:27.21 | LiraNuna | haha |
| 03:27.39 | johnx | first of all, I'm not promising that it's 100% related, and in fact it might not even be for the right chip |
| 03:27.53 | johnx | but, let me dig through the logs and find it. could take a couple minutes ... |
| 03:27.59 | LiraNuna | it's a starting point - to see how they thing |
| 03:28.02 | LiraNuna | think* |
| 03:28.25 | LiraNuna | see, ARM either has BIOS calls (swi) or memory mapped are for I/O |
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| 03:29.38 | LiraNuna | checking target system type... Invalid configuration `arm-linux-gnu-gcc': machine `arm-linux-gnu' not recognized |
| 03:29.44 | LiraNuna | I knew it's missing somethin |
| 03:30.20 | johnx | hmm |
| 03:31.16 | GeneralAntilles | I guess TI decided they wanted to genericize MID |
| 03:31.22 | LiraNuna | err, no need for -gcc :/ |
| 03:31.40 | johnx | ah, I just gave you the name of my cross compiler binary :) |
| 03:31.50 | LiraNuna | yeah, I didn't realize that too |
| 03:32.35 | LiraNuna | how do I gain root on N810? |
| 03:32.38 | LiraNuna | I want to install ssh |
| 03:32.54 | johnx | install rootsh or install openssh from extras |
| 03:32.55 | johnx | ~extras |
| 03:32.55 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras |
| 03:33.13 | johnx | also, the pvr.ko kernel module is in the 2430 sdk for linux |
| 03:33.23 | johnx | gotta track down a link, but you might do it faster than me |
| 03:33.26 | johnx | keeps looking |
| 03:33.31 | LiraNuna | 2430 or 2420? |
| 03:33.35 | rm_you | looks back at johnx |
| 03:33.39 | johnx | hey rm_you |
| 03:33.54 | johnx | LiraNuna, like I said, i guess I was wrong about it being for exactly our chip |
| 03:34.02 | LiraNuna | ah |
| 03:34.04 | johnx | it's still an mbx so there might be some clues |
| 03:35.08 | johnx | if you go here: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ and search for pvr.ko the reading might be interesting |
| 03:35.10 | johnx | but no promises |
| 03:35.15 | Macer | well |
| 03:35.21 | Macer | download openoffice for windows :) |
| 03:35.22 | Macer | haha |
| 03:35.48 | Macer | i hate the direction ms office took. it looks like it was sent through a gay parade |
| 03:36.14 | johnx | you mean it has some sense of aesthetic sensibility? yes, I'd have to agree |
| 03:36.16 | LiraNuna | johnx, I got my N810 today, I don't seem to have 'extras' in the application manager |
| 03:36.37 | johnx | that's why I linked it up above :) |
| 03:36.56 | LiraNuna | ah, I'm sorry I missed that |
| 03:37.09 | johnx | no prob |
| 03:37.17 | johnx | you could also do this: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/openssh/ |
| 03:39.57 | LiraNuna | thank you |
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| 03:43.28 | GeneralAntilles | itT's upgrading. |
| 03:44.25 | johnx | ItT is |
| 03:45.01 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that's what I said. :P |
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| 03:45.18 | johnx | that's what *she* said :D |
| 03:45.31 | GeneralAntilles | *rimshot* |
| 03:45.38 | johnx | runs |
| 03:46.21 | GeneralAntilles | As sophomoric as it is, there are few jokes with as unlimited potential as that one. |
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| 03:51.16 | Macer | blah |
| 03:51.20 | Macer | have to restart my damn zimbra server |
| 03:53.18 | johnx | geek horror movies: "The Zimbra Server of the Damned" |
| 03:57.14 | Macer | heh |
| 03:57.19 | Macer | no.. i just forgot to install ntpd |
| 03:57.23 | Macer | i don't know wtf i was thinking |
| 03:57.38 | Macer | and i guess after like 4 months... a clock can drive like 2 weeks off |
| 03:57.40 | Macer | wtf kind of shit is that? |
| 03:57.53 | johnx | pretty crappy clock |
| 03:58.00 | Macer | it's a vbox :) |
| 03:58.01 | johnx | still, PC clocks are pretty atrocious |
| 03:58.04 | johnx | aaah |
| 03:58.08 | johnx | fun timing crap :) |
| 03:58.09 | Macer | yeah. it obviously isn't swiss kept timing |
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| 03:58.30 | Macer | so things got a little wierd moving the clock up like 2 weeks |
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| 03:59.15 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, I'm totally in favor of shipping mechanical movements in new computers just for that purpose. :P |
| 04:00.04 | johnx | and I want radio-isotope powered laptops, but i don't think we're the target market :) |
| 04:00.19 | Macer | haha |
| 04:00.24 | Macer | that would be awesome :) |
| 04:00.33 | Macer | i could picture gears in a computer to keep the timing correct |
| 04:00.57 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, I hate that we're rarely the target market. |
| 04:01.33 | johnx | well, things are moving towards more and more targeted markets :) |
| 04:01.38 | johnx | it's a nice change |
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| 04:01.56 | Macer | since i gave Sts my n800 have like 3 SDs i'm not using heh.. going to copy important stuff to them now |
| 04:02.09 | Macer | i should start using the S in the SD part |
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| 06:23.25 | Stskeeps | dear god, new iTT theme is evil in the morning |
| 06:24.26 | johnx | ah. it's back up? |
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| 06:32.41 | GAN8001 | Stskeeps, don't be hateful. |
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| 06:34.07 | Stskeeps | GAN800: ah, i'm just sensitive to light in the morning :P |
| 06:34.24 | johnx | especially when you're note expecting it :) |
| 06:35.03 | GeneralAntilles | Reggie made a rather herculean effort getting it together, but it needs some tweaking. |
| 06:35.18 | Stskeeps | hehe |
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| 06:35.54 | GeneralAntilles | The js dropdown menus just don't work. |
| 06:36.05 | johnx | digs the big font |
| 06:36.26 | luke-jr_ | notes dropdown menus can work without js |
| 06:36.41 | Corsac | still has the old theme |
| 06:36.49 | Corsac | (but I'm not logged in) |
| 06:36.50 | luke-jr_ | johnx: I hope they aren't forcing a set font size on everyone? :/ |
| 06:36.51 | johnx | my autopager doesn't work anymore :/ |
| 06:37.13 | luke-jr_ | or worse, scaling the viewer's preference larger :/ |
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| 06:38.51 | johnx | mmm, minimalistic is darker and lightning fast |
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| 06:49.23 | johnx | I think I'll take Denmark's police over UK police :) |
| 06:49.33 | johnx | http://www.boingboing.net/2009/04/28/police-in-denmark-hu.html |
| 06:51.37 | LiraNuna | how does USB OTG works? |
| 06:51.42 | LiraNuna | I got the adapter |
| 06:52.00 | johnx | n810 or n800? |
| 06:52.05 | LiraNuna | N810 |
| 06:52.08 | LiraNuna | (WiMAX) |
| 06:52.56 | johnx | ah, so you have a micro-a -> full sized a adapter? or a micro-b -> female-female -> full sized a |
| 06:52.58 | johnx | ? |
| 06:53.46 | LiraNuna | micro-b -> female |
| 06:54.04 | LiraNuna | http://www.twstore.com/gcusbafzm.html |
| 06:54.05 | LiraNuna | this one |
| 06:54.18 | LiraNuna | a better picture - http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/twstore_2045_70640944 |
| 06:54.44 | LiraNuna | I tried a USB flash drive, but it won't receive power and I don't see anything in the file manager |
| 06:55.13 | johnx | http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_host_mode |
| 06:55.24 | johnx | as root: http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_host_mode |
| 06:55.34 | johnx | there's a cool little statusbar applet that does it too |
| 06:56.14 | johnx | more copy fail from me, as root: echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode |
| 06:56.58 | LiraNuna | johnx, thanks a lot |
| 06:57.53 | LiraNuna | "sudo gainroot" ? no "sudo su -" ? |
| 06:58.13 | johnx | I forgot why su doesn't work |
| 06:58.14 | dantonic | Hey anyone have Openoffice 3.0 working on their tablet? |
| 06:58.26 | johnx | I think it has to do with busybox not having SUID root bit set |
| 06:59.24 | LiraNuna | suid bit? I thought root == userid(1000) |
| 07:00.05 | johnx | root = userid 0 |
| 07:00.49 | LiraNuna | err, normal users are 1000 |
| 07:00.52 | LiraNuna | <- long day |
| 07:00.55 | johnx | second, the SUID bit gives an app the ability to act with the permissions of its owner |
| 07:01.00 | Stskeeps | johnx: they're often friendly unless you're hostile |
| 07:01.28 | johnx | Stskeeps, yeah! they were in Japan too! it's just such a foreign concept to me though... |
| 07:01.34 | LiraNuna | Stskeeps, are you suggesting I'm a troll? |
| 07:02.09 | johnx | I think he's referring to an earlier comment I made about police in Denmark :) |
| 07:02.10 | LiraNuna | or I'm having a really long day and need to rest.. |
| 07:02.10 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: nah, talking about danish policemen :) |
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| 07:06.53 | johnx | basically the only way to have a usable su on maemo is to essentially give all apps SUID root privileges (because they're all just links to busybox) |
| 07:07.10 | johnx | or have a standalone su binary that's not linked to busybox |
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| 07:07.51 | johnx | since Nokia didn't really want to hand out root on the device anyways (except to developers, etc), they just decided that the sudo gainroot hack was good enough |
| 07:08.28 | Stskeeps | and sudoers.d |
| 07:08.32 | Stskeeps | which is actually sane |
| 07:08.54 | johnx | yes, sudoers.d is a nice touch |
| 07:09.08 | johnx | <- big fan of turning monolithic config files into foo.d |
| 07:10.18 | Stskeeps | more than welcome to work on /etc/hildon.d btw |
| 07:11.14 | johnx | for startup? or for general settings? |
| 07:11.35 | Stskeeps | for start-hildon startup |
| 07:11.48 | Stskeeps | so i can dump it let's say 05set-backlight or whatever |
| 07:12.34 | johnx | yes, and so we can support multiple devices |
| 07:12.48 | Stskeeps | wait, where's the "Thanks" button on the new theme? |
| 07:12.57 | Stskeeps | nm |
| 07:13.02 | Stskeeps | where's the Thanks count? :P |
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| 07:21.58 | mgedmin | hm, there could be a suid wrapper that execs busybox with argv[0] set appropriately, if it matches a whitelist |
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| 07:37.14 | LiraNuna | how come I can't access maemo.org from my tablet? |
| 07:38.39 | johnx | what happens when you try? |
| 07:38.58 | LiraNuna | "Connecting" |
| 07:39.18 | johnx | connects just fine here |
| 07:39.25 | johnx | can you get to anything else? |
| 07:39.32 | LiraNuna | yeah, easy |
| 07:40.01 | johnx | weirdness |
| 07:40.13 | johnx | they use a caching network and they just changed a whole bunch of stuff, so ... |
| 07:40.29 | johnx | maybe try to force a reload, though I'm not sure how you do that on the tablet's browser .. |
| 07:40.29 | LiraNuna | I just want to get usb otg working :< |
| 07:40.57 | johnx | if you already added extras, I think that usb otg plugin is available from app manager |
| 07:41.04 | johnx | not sure if it's extras or extras-devel |
| 07:41.19 | StsN801 | ljp, much appreciated on the speedy inclusion of osso-system-lock-l10n-public :) |
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| 07:41.27 | LiraNuna | I installed maemo-usb-control and I see nothing |
| 07:41.32 | StsN801 | (source) |
| 07:41.47 | johnx | LiraNuna, it's an application. look in your menus |
| 07:41.58 | johnx | probably extras or something |
| 07:42.05 | LiraNuna | nothing |
| 07:42.24 | StsN801 | control panel? |
| 07:42.36 | johnx | ah, is that the one that adds a control panel applet? |
| 07:43.58 | johnx | anyways, good luck. I'm off to bed |
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| 07:44.39 | StsN801 | nini |
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| 07:47.26 | LiraNuna | I tried, there's nothing in panels |
| 07:48.20 | StsN801 | in settings-control panel? |
| 07:49.31 | johnx | just fyi, maemo-control-usb seems to be for usb networking |
| 07:49.41 | johnx | should be bottom of the control panel, "USB networking" |
| 07:51.20 | johnx | LiraNuna, anyways, all the GUI things do at their core is echo host > /sys/... |
| 07:51.26 | johnx | really sleeps |
| 07:52.38 | StsN801 | and rmmod g_file_storage |
| 07:53.27 | johnx | StsN801, only the ones that enable usb networking. for host mode you need g_file_storage IIRC |
| 07:53.39 | StsN801 | k |
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| 07:59.25 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:00.44 | timeless_mbp | yes |
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| 08:04.47 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: newstyle bugzilla looks good |
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| 08:10.27 | lbt | morning Jaffa |
| 08:11.22 | lbt | bleb's being useful again.... lets me mirror fremantle to OBS really easily so Stskeeps can promote things into Mer already |
| 08:12.34 | Jaffa | Cool |
| 08:13.59 | lbt | yup |
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| 09:10.33 | LiraNuna | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cym7UaUk5s8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.valeriovalerio.org%2F%3Fp%3D225&feature=player_embedded |
| 09:10.42 | LiraNuna | how can they blur/drag and others? |
| 09:14.39 | Jaffa | LiraNuna: "they"? |
| 09:15.05 | LiraNuna | "the developers" hehe |
| 09:15.39 | Jaffa | Because Maemo 5 supports OpenGL-ES and, on top of it, Clutter. |
| 09:16.12 | LiraNuna | will it run on N series? |
| 09:17.29 | Jaffa | LiraNuna: Do you mean existing N800 or N810 devices? |
| 09:17.37 | LiraNuna | Jaffa, yes |
| 09:17.40 | Jaffa | No. |
| 09:17.59 | Jaffa | Parts of Maemo 5 are being backported as part of the Mer project: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer |
| 09:18.02 | Myrtti | that demo just makes me want to cry a bit more for a knitting pattern designer |
| 09:18.13 | LiraNuna | it could if we had the PowerVR, right? |
| 09:18.39 | Jaffa | LiraNuna: Theoretically |
| 09:19.00 | LiraNuna | do Nokia have plans for next gen N series tablet? |
| 09:19.13 | Jaffa | One assumes so ;-) |
| 09:19.18 | Jaffa | ~rx-51 |
| 09:19.18 | infobot | methinks rx-51 is http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/ http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9093153240.html |
| 09:19.26 | Jaffa | Have a look at those articles ---^ |
| 09:21.54 | LiraNuna | thanks |
| 09:22.47 | LiraNuna | I found pvrdrv.ko, it still have debug symbols on it |
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| 09:24.09 | Jaffa | LiraNuna: You may also be interested in http://wiki.maemo.org/Drivers_justification and http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Drivers_justification |
| 09:24.43 | LiraNuna | I read those, thanks. but I don't really thinks TI cares |
| 09:25.26 | StsN801 | its imgtech, not ti |
| 09:43.41 | LiraNuna | http://liranuna.com/junk/pvr.ko.objdump.txt |
| 09:43.57 | LiraNuna | 00002d84 T AllocStaticFBMem |
| 09:43.57 | LiraNuna | 000070f8 T InitMpegDeviceInfo |
| 09:44.03 | LiraNuna | I say we found gold |
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| 09:48.38 | Jaffa | LiraNuna: Where's this pvrdrv.ko come from? Presume it's not insertable on an N8x0? |
| 09:48.47 | LiraNuna | Jaffa, I didn't try |
| 09:49.09 | LiraNuna | but pvr is global, I doubt that there are several versions of it |
| 09:49.20 | LiraNuna | but it's a valid armel kernel object |
| 09:49.25 | LiraNuna | with a lot of debug symbols |
| 09:49.38 | Stskeeps | hmm |
| 09:49.51 | Stskeeps | look for kernel version |
| 09:49.52 | Jaffa | There was previously one for the PepperPad, IIRC - but I can't remember the details (or if it was a different module) |
| 09:50.00 | Jaffa | lardman did a lot of research on it |
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| 09:53.15 | LiraNuna | is PepperPad compatible with N8x0? |
| 09:54.26 | LiraNuna | err PP's HW |
| 09:55.04 | X-Fade | No, different powervr. |
| 09:55.11 | LiraNuna | and where's the research is currently |
| 09:56.12 | X-Fade | LiraNuna: And that driver doesn't do anything without the userspace binaries. |
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| 09:56.55 | LiraNuna | X-Fade, I'm investigating, I come from ARM 7-9 EB embedded dev |
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| 09:59.45 | X-Fade | LiraNuna: Well, I wish you good luck ;) |
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| 10:18.53 | LiraNuna | http://www.imgtec.com/powervr/insider/sdkdownloads/index.asp#GLES1b |
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| 10:22.18 | LiraNuna | there's a system emulator |
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| 10:59.02 | RST38h | http://de.ifun.ru/8/v/8v8cq1z7.jpg (no translation required) |
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| 11:04.29 | StsN800 | wtf |
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| 11:07.00 | aquatix | what the hell? |
| 11:07.25 | Myrtti | gives everyone a lollipop |
| 11:08.59 | Myrtti | hmmmm? |
| 11:09.39 | aquatix | yum |
| 11:09.59 | aquatix | liks Myrtti lollip- hm, better not say that |
| 11:10.02 | aquatix | *licks |
| 11:10.45 | aquatix | aaanyways, quiet here :) |
| 11:10.59 | lbt | we's in #mer |
| 11:11.17 | aquatix | hm, good point |
| 11:11.33 | lbt | no lollipops in #mer though... |
| 11:12.01 | aquatix | :( |
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| 11:22.09 | Jaffa | Quick question before I look stupid: does the t.m.o theme have a way of going to "first new post" when using the "new posts" search? |
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| 11:23.24 | Jaffa | Aha, clicking on the "replies" number at the right looks like it should do it |
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| 11:36.08 | lbt | what's it called when a company grows and you split of a good section? |
| 11:36.34 | derf | A spin-off. |
| 11:37.08 | lbt | yeah, I'm looking for a good word for a CV |
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| 11:48.16 | Jaffa | lbt: "I was heavily involved in the setting up of the spin-off company, Visteon, from its parent company Ford" |
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| 11:48.35 | lbt | I think divest is winning |
| 11:48.42 | Jaffa | lbt: IOW, "spin-off" is fine for a CV IMNSHO |
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| 11:52.50 | woglinde_ | yeah spin-off is good |
| 11:53.51 | lbt | ok... less poncy |
| 11:55.54 | woglinde_ | lbt why do you need a new job? |
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| 11:56.04 | woglinde_ | hi qgil |
| 11:56.13 | qgil | hi |
| 11:56.43 | qgil | X-Fade: do you know whether there is a page equivalent to http://maemo.org/news/events/maemo_summit-001/ for the Danish Weekend, so people can see the status of their sponsorship requests?= |
| 11:57.15 | qgil | lbt was asking for the status of his sponsorship but I actually don't find him in the regitrsation |
| 11:57.29 | X-Fade | qgil: They can see their own status through the register link. |
| 11:57.33 | qgil | maybe he didn't complete/started the sponsorship request, but he could not check |
| 11:57.34 | X-Fade | IIRC> |
| 11:57.46 | woglinde_ | qgil can you say something about the gles stuff for endusers? do they have to get a "personal" license too? |
| 11:57.50 | qgil | ah ok, that should be enough |
| 11:58.08 | qgil | woglinde_ gles in Fremantle? |
| 11:58.12 | lbt | qgil: really? |
| 11:58.15 | woglinde_ | qgil yes |
| 11:58.56 | qgil | Maemo 5 users will get their devices (evebntually paying for them) and that will be it, only a buch of hackers will be aware of something called OpenGL ES under the hood |
| 11:59.38 | woglinde | qgil ah okay so have this agreement with imaginations |
| 11:59.47 | lbt | qgil: 100% sure I filled it in :) |
| 12:00.05 | X-Fade | lbt: Also confirmed the next step? |
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| 12:00.11 | lbt | (nb, at the time it *didn't* say I had to register |
| 12:00.16 | qgil | lbt please apply for sponsorship at http://maemo.org/news/events/registrations/register/8352ee2c242e11de8f60a7c7088bfc14fc14/ |
| 12:00.18 | lbt | Yes, I confirmed... |
| 12:00.46 | lbt | heh, it remembers my answers :) |
| 12:00.47 | qgil | woglinde: the software in the image will contain whatever agreements with third parties, as usual |
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| 12:01.06 | X-Fade | lbt: Yes, those are stored in your profile. |
| 12:01.22 | qgil | any other developers thinking of applying, please do it soon (like e.g. now) |
| 12:01.23 | lbt | indeed - doesn't prove anything mind you |
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| 12:07.48 | qgil | X-Fade: fyi Sponsorship request for Maemo event rejected email contains no text at all, including my explanations - now lost |
| 12:08.54 | X-Fade | qgil: Hmm that is strange, I copied them from the old maemo2007 style. |
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| 13:51.17 | woglinde | .desktop file |
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| 13:54.59 | cosmo_ | hm, i'll just have to try if it respects Category=Settings |
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| 14:32.37 | Guest9625_967 | no news for ubuntu MID? is it allready downloadable somewhere? |
| 14:33.09 | Stskeeps | ubuntu mid sucked, according to Meiz :P |
| 14:33.21 | Guest9625_967 | you try it? |
| 14:34.41 | Guest9625_967 | you probably try an alpha version |
| 14:34.42 | Guest9625_967 | lol |
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| 14:53.23 | thux | wonder why watching flash video takes much more battery than watching wmv... |
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| 14:53.37 | Stskeeps | flash is nasty |
| 14:53.37 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 14:54.13 | thux | seems so |
| 14:54.40 | X-Fade | bacon?!? Bacone: http://blog.bacn.com/2009/03/baconcamp-the-bacone/ :) |
| 14:55.54 | yerga | Have lcuk seen this: http://bacolicio.us/ ? |
| 14:56.21 | X-Fade | That bacn.com is also a site dedicated to bacon ;) |
| 14:57.04 | X-Fade | yerga: Lol @project application message ;) |
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| 15:00.50 | yerga | X-Fade, hehe |
| 15:01.18 | yerga | it hasn't much sense write the same thing so many times ;) |
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| 15:02.28 | X-Fade | yerga: Indeed. |
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| 15:04.34 | disco_stu | yerga, hi, is it working flickr with sharepy? |
| 15:04.48 | yerga | disco_stu, it should ;) |
| 15:04.52 | disco_stu | yerga, cant set the username |
| 15:05.13 | disco_stu | yerga, config stuff |
| 15:05.13 | yerga | flickr not need username |
| 15:05.32 | yerga | it launch the browser and you activate it in flickr |
| 15:05.37 | disco_stu | ? |
| 15:05.50 | disco_stu | ah ok |
| 15:06.59 | yerga | disco_stu, actually there is a bug |
| 15:07.04 | yerga | just discovered it |
| 15:07.10 | disco_stu | yerga, its not launching anything |
| 15:07.18 | disco_stu | yerga, lol |
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| 15:08.12 | disco_stu | :-( |
| 15:08.16 | yerga | I'll fix it in one moment ;) |
| 15:08.21 | yerga | Hi lcuk |
| 15:08.36 | disco_stu | yerga, np man |
| 15:08.55 | disco_stu | yerga, no hay problema :) |
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| 15:16.36 | lcuk | hi yerga! |
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| 15:16.42 | lcuk | is being kicked out already lol |
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| 15:29.00 | RST38h | moo all |
| 15:29.49 | disco_stu | moo |
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| 15:49.37 | z4chh | there a git installer anywhere? i can't seem to find one |
| 15:49.53 | z4chh | for my n810.. |
| 15:49.58 | andre__ | what is a git installer? |
| 15:50.10 | z4chh | .install for git :D |
| 15:50.30 | lbt | apt-get install git |
| 15:50.59 | z4chh | lbt, i don't have the repo for it i suppose :\ |
| 15:51.13 | lbt | hmm lcuk has it I think |
| 15:51.29 | lbt | isn't daft enough to run git on his tablet |
| 15:51.40 | Stskeeps | i had bzr on my tablet. |
| 15:51.46 | z4chh | lbt, eh? |
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| 15:52.29 | lbt | lcuk has git installed - he may know where it came from if not extras(-devel) |
| 15:52.51 | z4chh | yeah, ill have to speak to him about it...im trying to get his setup going for dev'ing liqbase |
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| 15:53.17 | z4chh | i already have scratchbox...but i want to see if a setup like his would be better |
| 15:57.28 | RST38h | Heh...US carriers screwed Nokia on billing |
| 15:59.26 | irgsomething | are there any audio-tools like a spectrum analyzer for my n810? |
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| 16:01.31 | disco_stu | yerga: are you there |
| 16:01.40 | yerga | disco_stu, yes |
| 16:01.56 | disco_stu | yerga: i've been inspecting the svn |
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| 16:02.29 | disco_stu | yerga: we need some documentation |
| 16:02.46 | disco_stu | yerga: cause at first glance is hard to follow the code |
| 16:03.03 | yerga | disco_stu, yes I agree |
| 16:03.14 | disco_stu | yerga: i'll try to write some |
| 16:03.22 | disco_stu | yerga: with some diagrams |
| 16:03.33 | yerga | disco_stu, it would be great |
| 16:03.41 | yerga | thanks |
| 16:03.46 | disco_stu | yerga: what i want to ask you |
| 16:04.01 | disco_stu | yerga: how do you upload the deb to the repo ? |
| 16:04.26 | disco_stu | yerga: because i thought autobuilder had problem with python based apps |
| 16:04.55 | yerga | disco_stu, it handles any source packages |
| 16:05.12 | disco_stu | yerga: maybe it was my idea then |
| 16:05.23 | yerga | I do the packaging with a Makefile, setup.py and debian/ stuff |
| 16:05.43 | yerga | the Makefile just run the setup.py |
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| 16:13.22 | lcuk | z4chh, look in the apt sources list inside scratchbox, it includes the sdk and sdktool repos which if you add to your device gives you apt-get git goodness capabilities |
| 16:13.25 | lcuk | as well as everything else |
| 16:13.46 | z4chh | thanks lcuk |
| 16:13.59 | lcuk | arent u meant to be studying tho lol |
| 16:14.08 | z4chh | lunch break |
| 16:14.22 | lcuk | heh yeah right :P |
| 16:15.30 | lcuk | n810 finally died on wifi :( (or just dc'ed) |
| 16:15.46 | z4chh | eh? |
| 16:16.01 | lcuk | i have the new router |
| 16:16.10 | lcuk | the n810 lasted for much longer |
| 16:16.13 | z4chh | no more adhoc? |
| 16:16.15 | lcuk | but its finally died |
| 16:17.01 | lcuk | no, powersaving on my laptop after an upgrade meant windows kept popping a balloon every 30 seconds saying "connected" "disconnected" etc |
| 16:17.22 | lcuk | and really pissed me off, so i went and got a router so it can deal with the connection requests ;) |
| 16:17.26 | z4chh | i figured out my n810 ssh connection refused problem |
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| 16:17.50 | lcuk | yeah? bad key or router config |
| 16:18.00 | z4chh | more like bad zach |
| 16:18.19 | lcuk | did u reflash yourself/ |
| 16:18.30 | z4chh | yes :\ |
| 16:18.38 | lcuk | hh |
| 16:18.47 | lcuk | anyway i wasnt stopping, i will bbiab |
| 16:18.58 | z4chh | i don't have a usb port on my person though |
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| 16:20.04 | z4chh | anyways, i manually assign all ip's on my LAN..and i was accidently using an ip also used on my dad's windows laptop |
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| 16:39.12 | jeremiah_ | X-Fade: ping |
| 16:39.33 | jeremiah_ | X-Fade: No fires needed, or still need, putting out on garage? |
| 16:39.51 | radic | is obexftp available for maemo |
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| 17:00.12 | radic | libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.5.0-1osso7) but 2.5.0-1osso10 is to be installed |
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| 17:02.06 | radic | Stskeeps: say anything that helps me |
| 17:02.25 | Stskeeps | radic: sorry, i'm not a personal support line :/ |
| 17:03.37 | z4chh | how do you turn off and keep off the scrollbar for osso_xterm? |
| 17:04.12 | radic | Stskeeps: i thought you are my supportline |
| 17:04.51 | Stskeeps | radic: 20 eur/hour |
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| 17:05.38 | RST38h | Sts: that's cheap |
| 17:05.40 | Stskeeps | my point is, anyone could try to answer here, targetting me exactly is a waste of time :P |
| 17:06.09 | Stskeeps | RST38h: meh, pays the bills |
| 17:06.29 | Stskeeps | is happy to help but on my own choice. |
| 17:10.39 | yerga | X-Fade, ping! |
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| 17:28.26 | Stskeeps | wait |
| 17:28.35 | Stskeeps | wasn't today "Update on Maemo" at Nokia Developer Summit? |
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| 17:31.11 | yerga | Stskeeps, yes |
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| 17:31.24 | Stskeeps | any news? :P |
| 17:31.35 | yerga | I haven't seen any |
| 17:31.49 | yerga | everything from there is symbian related |
| 17:32.32 | timeless_mbp | nokia developer summit? |
| 17:32.34 | timeless_mbp | what's that? |
| 17:32.42 | timeless_mbp | (asked the nokian) |
| 17:33.03 | Stskeeps | http://events.nokia.com/developersummit/ |
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| 17:38.52 | disco_stu | yerga: is pypackager still available ? |
| 17:39.20 | yerga | disco_stu, I think so |
| 17:39.30 | yerga | but I don't know, I haven't used it |
| 17:39.55 | disco_stu | yerga: how do you make the package build ? |
| 17:40.39 | yerga | In scratchbox I do dpkg-buildpackage to create .tar.gz .dsc and .changes |
| 17:40.51 | yerga | and I upload it to the autobuidler |
| 17:42.00 | Jaffa | re |
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| 17:46.24 | timeless_mbp | cool |
| 17:46.56 | timeless_mbp | so, RealPlayer Downloader.app lets me slurp flv files :) and RealPlayer.app can play them |
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| 17:53.38 | dantonic | hi anyone use xchat? |
| 17:54.38 | timeless_mbp | oh wow |
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| 17:54.59 | timeless_mbp | so, they did announce two things at around 8:20-8:30/17:25 |
| 17:55.18 | timeless_mbp | chuckles |
| 17:56.52 | lbt | ? |
| 17:56.55 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: poh? (on train, slow connection, no video etc.) |
| 17:57.28 | slonopotamus | dantonic, yes |
| 17:58.09 | dantonic | slonopotamus are you able to use sounds? |
| 17:58.44 | dantonic | slonopotamus what's your configuration? |
| 17:59.44 | slonopotamus | say smth |
| 18:01.19 | slonopotamus | dantonic, nope, doesn't work |
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| 18:26.41 | VDVsx | bahhhhhhhhhhhh: http://www.symbian-freak.com/news/009/04/dream_is_over_n97_processor_details_revealed.htm |
| 18:26.49 | VDVsx | good news for the tablets, will be the powerful nokia device :P |
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| 18:30.14 | lcuk | VDVsx, the cpu in my humble n810 is no slouch, it just wastes a lot of time doing graphics rendering that should be offloaded |
| 18:31.18 | lcuk | quote: Nokia N97 is indeed looks pretty fast with some nice transitions mainly due the code optimization but the trick is to optimize the software to run smooth on the best hardware and optimizing software to be useable on low-end hardware is similarly disappointing! |
| 18:31.23 | lcuk | thats wrong way round surely |
| 18:31.38 | GeneralAntilles | Nice |
| 18:31.39 | lcuk | optimized to work as well as possible on lowest hardware gives flawless perf on higher spec |
| 18:32.03 | GeneralAntilles | People shot me down when I said the next tablet would be Nokia's first OMAP3 device. :P |
| 18:32.07 | lcuk | hiya GAN |
| 18:32.25 | lcuk | heh, if it gets out the door first :P |
| 18:32.26 | Proteous | man, I was lookin forwared to the n97 |
| 18:32.33 | lcuk | you should still |
| 18:32.38 | lcuk | its not a bad device |
| 18:32.42 | lcuk | they are just ripping it |
| 18:33.14 | VDVsx | lcuk, yap, my 5800 is also fast enough, but ultra cool graphics provided by a omap3 will be much better :P |
| 18:33.19 | lcuk | my finger went numb today :S i couldnt feel it for a couple of hours :S |
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| 18:33.38 | lcuk | omap3 doesnt provide ultra cool graphics? developers do :P |
| 18:33.50 | GeneralAntilles | It's interesting to see Samsung leading with the cutting-edge S60 devices. |
| 18:33.53 | lcuk | and my omap2 certainly feels good |
| 18:34.00 | VDVsx | lcuk, haa, right :P |
| 18:34.44 | VDVsx | lcuk, you know what I meant |
| 18:34.47 | VDVsx | :) |
| 18:35.44 | radic | how to send a file via bluetooth from the terminal? |
| 18:36.44 | lcuk | bus or train terminal? |
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| 18:36.56 | irgsomething | LOL |
| 18:37.00 | z4chh | hey qwerty12 |
| 18:37.31 | qwerty12 | hi z4chh :) |
| 18:37.31 | lcuk | hey qwerty12 \o |
| 18:37.37 | qwerty12 | hi lcuk :D |
| 18:37.53 | lcuk | you were missed terribly - we made a whole new "answer all problems" web knowledge domain |
| 18:37.57 | lcuk | just goto qwerty.com |
| 18:38.01 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, think a Talk product is at all worthwhile? |
| 18:38.11 | lcuk | you need to start a business :| |
| 18:38.21 | radic | lcuk: from bash |
| 18:38.27 | z4chh | yo qwerty, do you know of a simple way to keep the scrollbar off for osso-xterm? |
| 18:38.30 | lcuk | radic, i dunno - ive heard about it being done |
| 18:39.35 | qwerty12 | z4chh: you can run "gconftool --set --type=bool /apps/osso/xterm/scrollbar 0" but the setting isn't retained once you close it :/ |
| 18:39.44 | z4chh | qwerty12, yeah ;p |
| 18:39.58 | lcuk | SEE! |
| 18:40.02 | z4chh | ive gone through about 5 files trying to automate that when i start xterm |
| 18:40.52 | lcuk | z4chh, you can create an alieas so its just one short cmd i think |
| 18:40.56 | z4chh | like: Exec="/usr/bin/osso-xterm && gconftool --set --type=bool /apps/osso/xterm/scrollbar 0" ..in osso-xterm.desktop |
| 18:41.06 | lcuk | or make a new .desktop file for console :O |
| 18:41.09 | lcuk | is thinking logically |
| 18:41.13 | qwerty12 | z4chh: why not just add it to ~/.profile or somesuch? |
| 18:41.24 | qwerty12 | Make it set 1 first and then 0 |
| 18:42.01 | z4chh | hmm |
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| 18:46.55 | z4chh | Is there a problem with executing a file on (for n810) /media/mmc2? |
| 18:47.09 | qwerty12 | /media/mmc2 is mounted noexec |
| 18:47.10 | z4chh | i seem to not be able to even with chmod a+x o_o |
| 18:47.13 | z4chh | ahh |
| 18:47.17 | z4chh | that's a problem o_o |
| 18:47.31 | qwerty12 | grep the scripts in /usr/sbin for noexec |
| 18:47.46 | qwerty12 | I can't remember off the top of my head which script mounts the memory carc |
| 18:47.47 | qwerty12 | *card |
| 18:48.05 | qwerty12 | And, also, you'll wanna make sure your mounted partition isn't vfat |
| 18:48.44 | z4chh | i can't just take off noexec in mtab? remount? |
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| 18:49.25 | qwerty12 | "mount -o remount,exec /media/mmc2" may work but I'm not really sure |
| 18:50.00 | z4chh | i got it |
| 18:50.05 | z4chh | i just edited /etc/mtab |
| 18:50.09 | qwerty12 | Cool |
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| 19:08.39 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, yerga, nice video. |
| 19:08.41 | GeneralAntilles | That really is slick |
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| 19:09.05 | yerga | GeneralAntilles, thanks |
| 19:09.54 | lcuk | theres slick stuff? |
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| 19:12.35 | yerga | lcuk, this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-D-J0Y7ufM |
| 19:12.40 | yerga | and this: http://bacolicio.us/ |
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| 19:17.57 | lcuk | mmm yerga that looks great |
| 19:18.25 | lcuk | its nice to see apps behaving very slickly |
| 19:18.43 | GAN800 | Scroll indicators are a page from Apple's book but really work well. |
| 19:19.07 | lcuk | its a page from a logical book |
| 19:19.22 | GAN800 | Apple's logical book. ;) |
| 19:19.23 | johnx | good interface design is stealing what works well and dropping what doesn't |
| 19:19.35 | GAN800 | Hey, sjgadsby |
| 19:19.55 | Stskeeps | ooh. i'll look forward to a rx-51. |
| 19:19.56 | sjgadsby | Hi, GAN800. What's up? |
| 19:20.23 | GAN800 | Maemo 5 is finally going to be the 'usable' I've been waiting for since 2005 |
| 19:20.31 | GAN800 | Nothing interesting. |
| 19:20.32 | sjgadsby | So, when is "Bacon discussion" being added to the description of this channel? |
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| 19:20.58 | lcuk | this channel? im fishing to have the next nokia model named after it |
| 19:21.10 | GAN800 | The first rule of bacon discussion is you never talk about bacon discussion. |
| 19:21.18 | GAN800 | Rover |
| 19:21.28 | lcuk | nBacon |
| 19:21.35 | dantonic | hey what other different type of players are available for maemo? sox? what else? |
| 19:22.01 | GAN800 | They could always do a charity model |
| 19:22.03 | johnx | dantonic, low-level cli stuff? or GUI stuff? |
| 19:22.19 | GAN800 | Apple has those RED iPods, we could have a Bacon Edition. |
| 19:22.31 | lcuk | lol GAN800 the bacon model would be the heavy weight one with acna |
| 19:22.32 | dantonic | johnx low level... basically I'm trying to find a way to make sound work in Xchat |
| 19:22.32 | lcuk | acne |
| 19:22.32 | dantonic | johnx and nothing seems to work so far |
| 19:22.47 | johnx | I think sox might be available or whatever "play" is part of |
| 19:23.30 | dantonic | johnx what's "play?" |
| 19:23.50 | johnx | I thought it was part of sox. let me check which package it's part of |
| 19:24.24 | johnx | well, sox is available |
| 19:24.35 | johnx | it's in extras I think |
| 19:25.16 | dantonic | johnx I think I have it I did apt-get install sox |
| 19:25.28 | dantonic | how would I test playing a sound file from the command line? |
| 19:25.38 | dantonic | sox /path/sound.wav ? |
| 19:25.51 | johnx | I don't know. type man sox into google |
| 19:26.07 | johnx | also, see if you have play available, I think it should do close to what you want |
| 19:26.09 | johnx | which play |
| 19:26.20 | johnx | ^type that into xterm^ |
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| 19:27.19 | dantonic | it finds play: /usr/bin/play |
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| 19:28.13 | johnx | then do play foo.wav |
| 19:28.14 | penguinbait | Alright, who turned ITT into the ugly stepchild |
| 19:28.21 | dantonic | johnx when Itry to play with the "play" command I get: Sorry, this wav file is in MPEG Layer 3 format. |
| 19:28.23 | penguinbait | the beating just went a little to far I think |
| 19:28.26 | dantonic | what am I missing? |
| 19:28.46 | johnx | dantonic, that's no wav. It's an mp3! :) |
| 19:29.05 | dantonic | but it's not it's a .wav file dont get it... |
| 19:29.13 | dantonic | it's the wav files that come with xchat |
| 19:29.49 | dantonic | hmm wait I tried another of the wav files and it worked |
| 19:30.28 | johnx | :) |
| 19:30.54 | GeneralAntilles | penguinbait, give it a few days. |
| 19:32.21 | GeneralAntilles | I'm not sure what the purpose of the poll is. |
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| 19:33.39 | lcuk | my eyes, the goggles - they do nothing |
| 19:33.41 | dantonic | bah still doesnt work in xchat :( |
| 19:35.22 | GeneralAntilles | Interesting, Modest plugins. |
| 19:35.43 | dantonic | what other players are available? |
| 19:36.28 | GeneralAntilles | Why do all these blogs have comment systems if you can never freaking leave comments? |
| 19:36.53 | GeneralAntilles | Any Modest devs about? |
| 19:37.22 | lcuk | is very modest |
| 19:37.34 | johnx | dantonic, it works from the CLI, but not in xchat? |
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| 19:38.33 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, has thanks button been removed in the new theme? |
| 19:38.36 | lcuk | cant find it |
| 19:38.42 | GeneralAntilles | Are you logged in? |
| 19:38.46 | GeneralAntilles | It's in the same place it's always been. |
| 19:39.10 | penguinbait | GA, the purpose of the poll is to convince you all, THAT YOU MADE A MISTAKE |
| 19:39.22 | GeneralAntilles | penguinbait, you had an opportunity to do that months ago. |
| 19:39.30 | penguinbait | ITT is now ugly, you aint got no aliby |
| 19:39.33 | penguinbait | its ugly |
| 19:39.49 | penguinbait | Reaally, nobody told me |
| 19:39.49 | GeneralAntilles | But apparently you didn't care enough to do involve yourself in the process then, so now you really don't have much right to be this negative now. |
| 19:40.03 | penguinbait | GA is such a dick |
| 19:40.06 | penguinbait | thats negative |
| 19:40.16 | johnx | penguinbait, yeah, he's a dick, but he's also right |
| 19:40.19 | johnx | :) |
| 19:40.30 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, I mean that in the nicest way possible :) |
| 19:40.43 | GeneralAntilles | I'd say I'm an asshole and not a dick. |
| 19:40.47 | GeneralAntilles | But that's just me. ;) |
| 19:40.52 | RST38h | "...and after several failed attempts at outbreak containment, the area was firebombed." |
| 19:40.55 | dantonic | johnx sox converts audio files... it's not a player?? |
| 19:41.01 | penguinbait | Where was I supposed to go to find out that I was supposed to put in my comments months ago |
| 19:41.02 | RST38h | 100% agrees with penguinbait |
| 19:41.08 | johnx | dantonic, it's a lot of things |
| 19:41.10 | RST38h | (on ITT being ugly) |
| 19:41.17 | dantonic | how do I use it to play? |
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| 19:41.22 | dantonic | the man only talks about converting files |
| 19:41.24 | VDVsx | yerga, I saw in your screencast that you also have strange colors and visual defects in the dialog and in other elements. |
| 19:41.32 | johnx | penguinbait, the same forum you're complaining about -or- this IRC channel -or- planet maemo |
| 19:41.32 | penguinbait | You say I misse3d my opportunity, thaat I didn't know existed |
| 19:41.49 | johnx | dantonic, the play command is part of the sox package |
| 19:41.56 | johnx | read the man page for "play" |
| 19:41.56 | GeneralAntilles | penguinbait, you did see the news about Talk months and months ago, right? |
| 19:42.00 | johnx | but you said it worked ... |
| 19:42.14 | penguinbait | Seems to me that Maemo Council could do a better job at informing the community of where and when their input is needed |
| 19:42.23 | RST38h | GA: Current incarnation of talk.maemo.org has got Problems. |
| 19:42.23 | GeneralAntilles | There's no such thing as a "Maemo Council" |
| 19:42.31 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I agree. |
| 19:42.37 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, i saw it too, and i saw the maemo.org redesign come into shape, but i dont recall discussing the forum theming |
| 19:42.40 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, but one of those problems is not "SCRAP THE WHOLE THING!" |
| 19:42.40 | penguinbait | MaemO Counc1l |
| 19:42.43 | penguinbait | MaemO Counc1l |
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| 19:42.52 | RST38h | GA: Nah, there is no reason to scrap it |
| 19:42.56 | GeneralAntilles | penguinbait, do you watch Planet? |
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| 19:43.08 | GeneralAntilles | penguinbait, because that's one of several places the website redesign was discussed. |
| 19:43.18 | penguinbait | just give us a them alternative that is somewhat similar to the old site |
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| 19:43.20 | RST38h | GA: But emulating the original ITT more closely by having the global view of all latest threads on the main page would be nice |
| 19:43.30 | lcuk | +1 |
| 19:43.36 | lcuk | thats the principle difference for me |
| 19:43.41 | lcuk | the rest can be cured with css |
| 19:43.53 | Stskeeps | i miss my thanks count, as i'm a karma whore.. |
| 19:43.54 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:43.58 | RST38h | GA: And using smaller fonts too - the current fonts do not allow to put all the necessary stuff at the visible part of the page |
| 19:44.03 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, well, there's an active topics bar on the right. |
| 19:44.04 | lcuk | saw that bit of the discussion |
| 19:44.06 | lcuk | lol |
| 19:44.10 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 19:44.14 | Stskeeps | i like the active topics one |
| 19:44.17 | RST38h | GA: But we do not want a bar |
| 19:44.26 | GeneralAntilles | The fonts match the rest of maemo.org |
| 19:44.27 | lcuk | speak for yourself |
| 19:44.28 | RST38h | GA: We just want an active topic view. |
| 19:44.32 | lcuk | i want a well stocked bar |
| 19:44.40 | RST38h | stocks lcuk's bar ) |
| 19:44.48 | lcuk | drinks |
| 19:44.50 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I'd recommend bookmarking/shortcutting this URL http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/search.php?do=getnew |
| 19:45.06 | RST38h | GA: They do match, but this is detrimental to site's usability |
| 19:45.10 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, active topics hardly seem like what this discussion is about. |
| 19:45.11 | penguinbait | I think the new site it as ugly as the n800 when I bought it |
| 19:45.19 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, isnt the url gonna die anyway> |
| 19:45.30 | RST38h | GA: As I said, it makes no sense scrapping the whole thing |
| 19:45.32 | penguinbait | It did grow on me, but when I pick it up today, its an ugly device |
| 19:45.45 | GeneralAntilles | http:/talk.maemo.org/search.php?do=getnew |
| 19:45.47 | RST38h | GA: So, just listing the absolutely minimal amount of changes needed to make it usable |
| 19:46.00 | johnx | penguinbait, so you're saying that nokia has achieved great cross-platform branding? :D |
| 19:46.25 | sjgadsby | thinks GA needs more slashes in that URL. |
| 19:46.31 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, yeah. |
| 19:46.33 | RST38h | No, GA, this getnew thing is pretty in a web designer kind of way but it is way less usable than the original ITT |
| 19:46.38 | johnx | also, if anyone uses autopager, I updated the autopager patter to support it :) |
| 19:46.46 | GeneralAntilles | sighs. |
| 19:46.54 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, that new posts misses a load of stuff that IS listed in the active topics on the right |
| 19:46.56 | lcuk | im confused |
| 19:46.57 | RST38h | GA: The original ITT lets you see all this stuff WITHOUT scrolling |
| 19:47.19 | lcuk | i was trying to spot a thread id just posted in |
| 19:47.36 | RST38h | GA: This getnew thing has each topic in a nice bubble with some cute fonts but it is NOT the purpose of the page |
| 19:47.39 | lcuk | and its third on the right, but nowhere on the new stuff |
| 19:47.40 | lcuk | hmm |
| 19:47.49 | RST38h | GA: The purpose of the page is to see the most latest posts at one glance |
| 19:48.05 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, go talk to Reggie. |
| 19:48.11 | GeneralAntilles | I really don't have any control over it. |
| 19:48.25 | RST38h | GA: I kinda suspect he will agree. Ok, will do. |
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| 19:48.49 | penguinbait | the new look was an upgrade for maemo.org, it was a downgrade to ITT |
| 19:49.07 | sjgadsby | Threads can be active without being new to you, lcuk. |
| 19:49.08 | lcuk | looks very big and readable on a small device |
| 19:49.09 | johnx | his poll isn't going so well |
| 19:49.14 | RST38h | here, you pissed off penguinbait. |
| 19:49.17 | RST38h | =) |
| 19:49.21 | GeneralAntilles | Fine by me. |
| 19:49.22 | lcuk | sjgadsby, i had a post from 16mins ago |
| 19:49.26 | GeneralAntilles | He's the one that came in spewing bile. |
| 19:49.27 | lcuk | that is not listed on new stuff |
| 19:49.32 | lcuk | which shows back about 4 hours |
| 19:49.37 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, have you already read it? |
| 19:49.46 | RST38h | GA: which basically means he got pissed BEFORE coming here =) |
| 19:49.47 | GeneralAntilles | New posts shows unread threads. |
| 19:49.50 | sjgadsby | lcuk: Yes, but if you're the last poster, then you've seen everything in the thread. |
| 19:49.56 | lcuk | yeah but thats not what i want |
| 19:50.05 | GeneralAntilles | If you want all threads updated recently, you want Today's Posts |
| 19:50.08 | lcuk | the old one didnt care whether i had seen it before |
| 19:50.12 | lcuk | it was just the latest things |
| 19:50.29 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/search.php?do=getdaily |
| 19:50.42 | lcuk | thats it! |
| 19:50.52 | lcuk | now all we need do is css the font and color down |
| 19:50.59 | lcuk | and we have the original itt frontpage! |
| 19:51.15 | dantonic | johnx thanks for your help... however can't get it to work... |
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| 19:51.44 | johnx | dantonic, you said it worked from the commandline? I don't understand what you're saying isn't working ... |
| 19:51.53 | RST38h | GA: Notice that it shows at most 4 (four) topics |
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| 19:52.04 | RST38h | GA: On a standard 1280x800 display |
| 19:52.10 | lcuk | RST38h, that latest link shows that you want |
| 19:52.15 | RST38h | GA: But it does show lots and lots of eyecandy |
| 19:52.16 | dantonic | johnx yeah it does but it doesnt work in xchat :( |
| 19:52.18 | lcuk | wrong font but the info is there |
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| 19:52.33 | johnx | dantonic, playing the same file as from the commandline? are you providing the whole path? |
| 19:52.37 | RST38h | lcuk: Yea, but the layout still makes it only show 4 entries without scrolling |
| 19:52.51 | dantonic | I think so... I'm providing /usr/bin/play |
| 19:52.52 | johnx | remember that capitalization matters |
| 19:53.09 | lcuk | well im just goin on userstyles.org and using the stylish plugin for firefox i will try and cure that |
| 19:53.20 | johnx | and you're not trying to play the "fake" .wavs that came with xchat? |
| 19:53.43 | dantonic | trying the same path I use in the terminal to play the same file |
| 19:53.49 | lcuk | can see the big readable fonts working on n810 |
| 19:53.50 | dantonic | let me play with it some more |
| 19:54.13 | johnx | dantonic, I think you'd have the same problem with any commandline audio player |
| 19:54.19 | lcuk | but you are right RST38h on desktop theres no need |
| 19:54.23 | johnx | people use "play" in desktop xchat all the time |
| 19:54.55 | johnx | dantonic, one more idea: try running xchat from an xterm, then it should spit out an error if it fails to use play |
| 19:55.34 | dantonic | johnx good idea let me try |
| 19:56.32 | ShadowJK | huh, what's this about "big fonts" and "small device", surely on small device you want smaller fonts so that you don't need to scroll around |
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| 19:56.54 | lcuk | have you seen the fremantle videos? scrolling looks fun! |
| 19:57.12 | RST38h | lcuk,johnx,qwerty: BTW , could you drop your $.02 on this issue: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4369 |
| 19:57.21 | ShadowJK | no, but if it's like tear on N8x0, then it gets old and annoying once the touchscreen is >6months old ;) |
| 19:57.46 | lcuk | ShadowJK, not to me, i have big fast super scrolling too |
| 19:57.58 | RST38h | My guess is that if it is not being publically discussed, the web site maintainer will quietly close or ignore the bug report |
| 19:58.20 | dantonic | well... johnx now it seems to work... |
| 19:58.24 | dantonic | didnt really do anything... |
| 19:58.28 | johnx | :) |
| 19:58.31 | dantonic | just started from the terminal |
| 19:58.32 | dantonic | LOL |
| 19:58.38 | johnx | that's the way it always goes |
| 19:58.40 | johnx | glad it works |
| 19:58.42 | ShadowJK | lcuk, I meant when touchscreen registers drag as a series of clicks with random intervals, the kinetic scrolling sometimes decides to send the page scrolling at lightspeed :-) |
| 19:58.48 | dantonic | LOL cool thanks so much man really appreciate it |
| 19:59.02 | lcuk | ShadowJK, thats a bad algorythm then |
| 19:59.13 | RST38h | spends lots of effort to AVOID kinetic scrolling in Tear now |
| 19:59.23 | johnx | dantonic, no problem. enjoy your xchat with sound effects. I'll try to hilight you as much as I can so you can enjoy them :> |
| 19:59.25 | RST38h | it's not reliable at all |
| 19:59.27 | lcuk | because if you are still moving a certain amount and a certain speed the series of small strokes should be interpretted correctly |
| 19:59.36 | ShadowJK | RST38h, use the dpad, it's actually useful for scrolling in tear (unlike microb) |
| 19:59.57 | johnx | applied the echowb theme and never went back |
| 20:00.17 | ShadowJK | lcuk, actually it should probably reset its algorithm on mousebutton-up event or whatever event it gets |
| 20:00.18 | lcuk | RST38h, you have mentioned the badness of the kinetic there |
| 20:00.23 | RST38h | Shadow: dpad is very unreliable and uncomfortable for me =( |
| 20:00.29 | RST38h | lcuk: Yea |
| 20:00.38 | lcuk | on mouse up it should use the steps it has been given to "energize" the stroke you made |
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| 20:00.46 | ShadowJK | hm, I haven't experienced any reliability issues with the dpad on my N8x0... On my E70, however... :) |
| 20:00.55 | lcuk | like pushing a roundabout |
| 20:01.00 | RST38h | Shadow: On E70 it simply wears out |
| 20:01.08 | ShadowJK | lcuk, oh right |
| 20:01.09 | lcuk | little bursts shouldnt send it into orbit it should just keep it going |
| 20:01.16 | RST38h | Shadow: there are no uncomfortability problems though |
| 20:01.28 | lcuk | i sense though this isnt what happens outside of liqbase ;) |
| 20:01.35 | ShadowJK | :) |
| 20:01.53 | ShadowJK | oh well |
| 20:01.54 | RST38h | Shadow: On N810, the dpad is a think metal band stuck right underneath the upper half of the device and lacking tactile feedback |
| 20:02.01 | RST38h | s/think/thin |
| 20:02.01 | ShadowJK | has >1yr left on his N810's warranty :D |
| 20:02.31 | ShadowJK | Yeah I have both N800 and N810 |
| 20:02.42 | lcuk | RST38h, im not posting in the bug topic cos its about the overall website and not specifically about talk |
| 20:02.44 | ShadowJK | the N800 dpad is nicer to use, but I often press the back/escape key by mistake |
| 20:02.48 | lcuk | i LIKE the rest of the site |
| 20:02.58 | ShadowJK | N810 dpad isn't as nice to use, but I have no problems in comfort or in using it |
| 20:03.10 | RST38h | lcuk: Yea, it is specifically about a problem with the site |
| 20:03.22 | dantonic | haha :) |
| 20:03.29 | RST38h | lcuk: For some reason the main page and the downloads page show those two promoted apps instead of actual content |
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| 20:04.07 | RST38h | lcuk: If this "feature" can somehow be argued for at the main page, why it is done to Downloads completely escapes me |
| 20:05.09 | lcuk | i dunno RST38h im not that bothered about the whole site i just dont wanna miss my posts and stuff :$ |
| 20:05.26 | dantonic | hey johnx what is the standard media player? how do I find the path to that player? |
| 20:05.32 | dantonic | the one that comes with the tablet? |
| 20:05.47 | dantonic | how would I call that player to play a sound? |
| 20:06.07 | johnx | with dbus-send |
| 20:06.14 | johnx | but I think it would pull up the whole GUI |
| 20:06.21 | johnx | maybe mplayer would be best |
| 20:06.31 | johnx | <- duh, totally didn't think about mplayer |
| 20:08.26 | RST38h | lcuk: I often checked Downloads section on the old site =( |
| 20:08.40 | RST38h | lcuk: now it is hidden somewhere underneath =( |
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| 20:13.12 | jeremiah_ | Installing the fremantle beta, wheee |
| 20:13.40 | Stskeeps | woo |
| 20:14.00 | jeremiah_ | And after that, Mer .13! |
| 20:14.08 | jeremiah_ | Or is it just 13 |
| 20:14.25 | Stskeeps | 0.13 i gues |
| 20:14.25 | Stskeeps | s |
| 20:14.51 | Stskeeps | right now it looks like a 21.74% though (100% is day-to-day usable) :P |
| 20:15.32 | jeremiah_ | So the stable version is 12? |
| 20:15.36 | lcuk | awww Stskeeps @ mathematical specifics |
| 20:16.03 | Stskeeps | jeremiah_: nah, the day-to-day stable version is 1.0 |
| 20:16.06 | Stskeeps | we're not there yet :) |
| 20:16.54 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, give me a non-crap XServer and I'll up that number. ;) |
| 20:17.03 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: in progress :P |
| 20:17.12 | GeneralAntilles | A finger keyboard, too. |
| 20:17.17 | Stskeeps | waiting for nokia |
| 20:17.18 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:17.28 | Stskeeps | give me gtk coders and i'll give you gold |
| 20:17.28 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:17.52 | GeneralAntilles | I demand a refund! |
| 20:17.53 | GeneralAntilles | ohwait |
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| 20:19.34 | dantonic | hey johnx how do you check which repository contains a program that you have installed? is there a command for that? |
| 20:19.51 | lcuk | apt-cache search [something] |
| 20:19.52 | johnx | apt-cache policy package |
| 20:19.56 | lcuk | ahh different |
| 20:20.05 | johnx | policy tells you the repo |
| 20:20.21 | GeneralAntilles | Engadget whores! |
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| 20:20.33 | Stskeeps | mm? |
| 20:20.37 | GeneralAntilles | They picked up the beta story from Brighthand instead of my report when it came out . . . |
| 20:20.38 | johnx | hey Omegamoon :) |
| 20:21.04 | dantonic | ok ty |
| 20:21.11 | qwerty12_N800 | dantonic: are you using xchat 2.8.6? |
| 20:21.24 | dantonic | ya |
| 20:21.44 | GeneralAntilles | I wish news sites would just link to the original announcements. |
| 20:21.59 | GeneralAntilles | Instead of taking you through a wild ride of a half-dozen different bloggers |
| 20:22.37 | dantonic | qwerty12_N800 why did you have the same problem? |
| 20:22.40 | qwerty12_N800 | dantonic: good, I have control over that build :p. i'll see i've got time to make xchat just play the sound straight & upload a new build |
| 20:22.44 | RST38h | GA: Engadget? =) |
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| 20:23.02 | dantonic | qwerty12_N800 oh great! did you read how we fixed it just now? |
| 20:23.19 | dantonic | qwerty12_N800 would you make it use sox? |
| 20:23.59 | qwerty12_N800 | dantonic: nah, libhildon has a function for playing sounds w/out the use of an external program |
| 20:24.21 | dantonic | qwerty12_N800 what's the function? can I use it instead of sox? |
| 20:24.32 | dantonic | qwerty12_N800 how would I call it in xchat? |
| 20:24.40 | qwerty12_N800 | nah, it's something I need to do |
| 20:24.45 | dantonic | ok cool |
| 20:24.57 | dantonic | u doing it right now? :P |
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| 20:25.34 | dantonic | I was wondering though... if I wanted to call the OS media player to play the file... how would I do that? where is it located? |
| 20:25.47 | dantonic | how would I call the NIT media player to play a file from the command line? |
| 20:25.51 | jeremiah_ | Found a bug. |
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| 20:26.17 | johnx | dantonic, you could maybe use gstreamer |
| 20:26.30 | johnx | if you called the media player with dbus it would pop up the whole GUI |
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| 20:26.54 | dantonic | oh... but like when canola for example calls the media player.. how does it do it without the gui? |
| 20:27.19 | johnx | it's just using the gstreamer part |
| 20:27.30 | dantonic | johnx how does that work? what's the syntax? |
| 20:27.38 | johnx | the exact command to call is a little complicated |
| 20:27.39 | qwerty12_N800 | uses the osso-media-server directly (and no, I dunno how it's done) |
| 20:28.12 | dantonic | ah |
| 20:29.24 | dantonic | man now I wanna know how it's done |
| 20:29.31 | dantonic | I'm gonna go bug the people in the canola channel |
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| 20:31.16 | johnx | dantonic, or google gstreamer command line |
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| 20:32.52 | Omegamoon | johnx: good evening :-) |
| 20:33.38 | johnx | :) I got a working x server ... kinda, but it's not reliable, and I ended up just going with x.org |
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| 20:58.17 | xnt | wants to kill the idiot who made the fedora installer |
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| 20:59.45 | xnt | took me 3 HOURS to boot back into ubuntu, it didn't find ubuntu-grub, and that crap tried to chainload ubuntu-grub >:( |
| 21:00.53 | GeneralAntilles | Ha! http://www.nfb.org/nfb/NewsBot.asp?MODE=VIEW&ID=437 |
| 21:00.57 | GeneralAntilles | It's true though. |
| 21:01.06 | Shadow_M | chr on my n810 keyboard isnt working |
| 21:01.14 | GeneralAntilles | People often don't get out of the way of hybrids because they don't know they're even there. |
| 21:03.29 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, the solution is that everyone should have a honda civic fartcan :) |
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| 21:03.50 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 21:04.04 | johnx | including bicycles |
| 21:04.18 | GeneralAntilles | Just pick up a can of your favorite concentrated citrus juice. |
| 21:04.18 | johnx | working on the physics behind that will be the job of muffler producers :) |
| 21:04.54 | Shadow_M | honda crx hf better than hybrids |
| 21:05.00 | Shadow_M | and no batt polution |
| 21:05.12 | johnx | vw bug trumps all I'm pretty sure :) |
| 21:05.13 | Shadow_M | also any ideas on my chr key |
| 21:05.13 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, well, it's also a tincan. |
| 21:05.23 | GeneralAntilles | and the Bug is a deathtrap. |
| 21:05.27 | RST38h | Shadow: There was a Civic VX in the states |
| 21:05.44 | Shadow_M | i get 40 mpg us in my saturn |
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| 21:05.54 | Shadow_M | highway |
| 21:06.02 | GeneralAntilles | Saturn is a rubbermaid crate. |
| 21:06.13 | RST38h | Shadow: insane fuel economy, small engine |
| 21:06.14 | lbt | has no problem with blind people in his TVR... |
| 21:06.21 | RST38h | Shadow: Americans hated it, too sluggish |
| 21:06.28 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, I still maintain that you're a whore and I hate you. :P |
| 21:06.28 | ShadowJK | batt polution... not high enough fines for not recycling? |
| 21:06.43 | lbt | do I deny it ? |
| 21:06.54 | lbt | wanna see some piccies little boy? |
| 21:07.03 | GeneralAntilles | :D |
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| 21:08.17 | RST38h | ...and the current European version of Civic looks like a fucking UFO, especially on the inside... |
| 21:08.33 | johnx | RST38h, yeah, but is it usable? |
| 21:08.36 | Shadow__X | GeneralAntilles, saturn is much moere than that |
| 21:08.53 | RST38h | johnxL The eurocivic? Yea, at least by european standards |
| 21:08.54 | johnx | Shadow__X, was. check the latest news ... |
| 21:09.05 | Shadow__X | RST38h, it isnt sluggish compared to other cars in its category |
| 21:09.09 | ShadowJK | european is highly variable anyway |
| 21:09.21 | GeneralAntilles | I get ~35 mpg in my Camry on the highway. |
| 21:09.34 | RST38h | Shadow: VX was considered sluggish in the US and did not sell |
| 21:09.52 | Shadow__X | ok but my saturn sc2 gets 40mpg easily highway |
| 21:09.55 | RST38h | Shadow: Europe has got different expectations :) |
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| 21:09.59 | Shadow__X | and its still fun to drive and peppy |
| 21:10.10 | Shadow__X | RST38h, yeah in imperial gallons i get even more |
| 21:10.20 | ShadowJK | some places majority of people drive in ways that make wet road matter, and in some places people drive all year round as if they expected road to be covered in polished ice |
| 21:10.32 | Shadow__X | anyone have an idea as to why my chr key isnt working |
| 21:10.48 | RST38h | Poor little CRV only gets 23mpg and drives like a trolley... |
| 21:11.01 | johnx | ShadowJK, and in some places when it snows people start driving with their butts :) |
| 21:11.04 | Shadow__X | ShadowJK, yeah and tires can make or break a car |
| 21:11.07 | lcuk | any idea how i find out what xevent->type actually means in x11. using the x11 header file it tells me that there are only 35 events, but sometimes i get events higher |
| 21:11.15 | Shadow__X | a crv is a horrible attempt of a truck |
| 21:11.36 | johnx | it's a civic that on growth hormones |
| 21:11.41 | RST38h | Shadow: CRV is not a truck |
| 21:11.50 | Shadow__X | barely on growth hormones just a bigger body |
| 21:11.54 | Shadow__X | what is a crv |
| 21:11.58 | Shadow__X | a wannabee |
| 21:12.09 | ShadowJK | i dont notice tyres except when on wet ice, when I regret having 3 year old tyres with worn studs :) |
| 21:12.12 | RST38h | Shadow: It is an Accord with half the units taken from the old Civic AWD |
| 21:12.36 | Shadow__X | sounds about right just get a subaru at that point |
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| 21:12.44 | dantonic | omg can't stop watching this video ROFL |
| 21:12.51 | RST38h | Shadow: Yea, except that Subaru is smaller on the inside |
| 21:13.01 | RST38h | And has got some other problems |
| 21:13.06 | dantonic | anyone seen the "Slap Chop" on youtube? |
| 21:13.08 | johnx | depends on the year |
| 21:13.12 | dantonic | the remix? |
| 21:13.13 | Shadow__X | eh i guess |
| 21:13.15 | RST38h | True |
| 21:13.23 | johnx | the EJ25 had ... issues, but the EJ22 is solid |
| 21:13.40 | ShadowJK | i wish they could invent a car that doesnt rust :( |
| 21:13.45 | Shadow__X | so anyone know why my chr key doesnt work |
| 21:13.45 | RST38h | Besides, current Subarus are ugly..ehhh, current CRVs are ugly too =( |
| 21:13.57 | Shadow__X | i rather have a sub over a crv |
| 21:14.06 | Shadow__X | i also rather have my older s10 blazer over a crv |
| 21:14.09 | RST38h | sounds like he will end up with Honda Element |
| 21:14.11 | johnx | Shadow__X, when did it stop working? |
| 21:14.13 | Shadow__X | it actually has an engine |
| 21:14.30 | johnx | RST38h, most modern cars are ugly. makes me feel old and crotchety before my time :/ |
| 21:14.37 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 21:14.38 | RST38h | Shadow: You are way too unjust toward CRV |
| 21:14.38 | Shadow__X | johnx, dont really recall but i did recent to a reflash again onto my internal storage |
| 21:14.52 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, my favorite car of all time is the XJ220. |
| 21:14.53 | RST38h | Shadow: I mean, Subaru is reasonable, but Blazer?!? |
| 21:15.04 | Shadow__X | RST38h, no if it looks like a truck is should be able to jump in the air and land with nothing wrong |
| 21:15.15 | Shadow__X | RST38h, yeah i have been air bourne in my truck and nothing is wrong |
| 21:15.25 | Shadow__X | given it was less than a foot but still |
| 21:15.40 | Shadow__X | and i get about the same mpg with a 4.3 v6 |
| 21:15.45 | Shadow__X | crv cant beat that |
| 21:15.50 | Shadow__X | its also fun to drive |
| 21:15.53 | johnx | Shadow__X, so cloned to internal memory card? or just a reflash? |
| 21:15.54 | RST38h | Shadow: The only place you can be airborne in a Blazer is that hydraulic thing in the repair shop |
| 21:16.01 | johnx | did you install some other language support? |
| 21:16.54 | Shadow__X | johnx, cloned to internal mem and not to my knowledge but under control panel and unter text input it has hardware keyboard layout english ,nl |
| 21:17.08 | johnx | and it works when booted to flash? |
| 21:17.31 | Shadow__X | RST38h, no going off road i have gotten air bourne go drive a 93 s10 blazer much better than a crv esp in the truck and power department |
| 21:17.48 | Shadow__X | johnx, i will try to see if it works in the original image |
| 21:18.02 | qwerty12_N800 | Shadow__X: remove "-extension XInputExtension" from /etc/init.d/x-server |
| 21:18.19 | Shadow__X | qwerty12_N800, i will try than on reboot |
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| 21:19.53 | Shadow__X | hmm ok i did notice something on the internal flash when i type i get the info bar on the bottom telling me what mode i am in |
| 21:20.08 | Shadow__X | such as Abc or FN and chr works |
| 21:20.18 | johnx | that's just a setting |
| 21:20.23 | Shadow__X | on internal mem i wasnt geting that |
| 21:20.27 | Shadow__X | johnx, where is that setting |
| 21:20.34 | johnx | text prediction |
| 21:20.40 | johnx | if you turn off all the options the bar goes away |
| 21:21.04 | Shadow__X | hmm is that under text input in control panel |
| 21:21.11 | johnx | I think so? |
| 21:21.59 | johnx | text input -> dictionaries -> settings |
| 21:23.39 | Shadow__X | hmm after reboot chr works again |
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| 21:30.22 | Shadow__X | flipclock is pretty nice |
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| 21:50.47 | lardman_ | evening all |
| 21:50.52 | lcuk | hey simon |
| 21:51.00 | lardman|home | hey gary |
| 21:51.18 | lcuk | how the wedding planning coming on |
| 21:51.33 | lardman|home | getting hectic again |
| 21:51.59 | lcuk | it will do |
| 21:52.07 | lardman|home | thankfully yearly review meeting is over now though, was compounding things |
| 21:52.29 | lcuk | bleugh! |
| 21:52.45 | lardman|home | yeah like lots of presentations and questions and things |
| 21:52.48 | lardman|home | nasty! ;) |
| 21:54.33 | lardman|home | anyone know what the M11 is like? |
| 21:54.44 | lardman|home | is off to Norfolk this weekend for a wedding |
| 21:54.54 | lardman|home | pretty much as far away as one can drive in England ;) |
| 21:57.20 | lcuk | wont u fall off |
| 21:57.33 | lardman|home | the tortoise? ;) |
| 21:58.15 | lcuk | is that the furthest motorway? |
| 21:58.15 | lcuk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UK_motorway_map_-_M11.png |
| 21:58.52 | lardman|home | nice, you;d never of guessed I actually knew where it was or anything! :D |
| 21:59.05 | lardman|home | s/of/have |
| 21:59.18 | lardman|home | been to London today, grammar is slipping ;) |
| 21:59.28 | lardman|home | qwerty12_N800: :p |
| 21:59.59 | rm_you| | hrmrm |
| 22:00.05 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman: wot, u sayin we spk dodgy |
| 22:01.08 | lardman|home | lol |
| 22:01.11 | lardman|home | not at all |
| 22:03.05 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe, you don't wanna see my posts on forums about 5 years ago... not to say my grammar is brilliant now but it was a hell of a worse then... |
| 22:03.57 | lardman|home | well, I can bring a grammar book with me to the summit...... |
| 22:04.07 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, if Reggie is interested in bug reports about Talk, I can do that |
| 22:05.20 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman|home: sure, lcuk needs to stop typing like how he speaks (northerner) :p |
| 22:05.55 | lardman|home | I'm surprised he can even use a computer to be honest, not the lack of education, more the fact everything is powered with coal up there ;) |
| 22:07.33 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, I'm thinking it'd probably be easier than sorting through threads. |
| 22:07.40 | GeneralAntilles | But he didn't respond to my proposal yet. |
| 22:07.47 | andre__ | let's wait for his answer |
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| 22:33.04 | lardman|home | night chaps |
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| 22:41.31 | pupnik | "To be governed ⦠is to be watched, inspected, directed, indoctrinated, numbered, estimated, regulated, commanded, controlled, law-driven, preached at, spied upon, censured, checked, valued, enrolled â by creatures who have neither the right, nor the wisdom, nor the virtue to do so." â Pierre-Joseph Proudhon |
| 22:42.48 | johnx | pupnik, enlightening quote. suggested alternatives? |
| 22:43.51 | pupnik | less of the above |
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| 23:13.58 | coeus82 | Hi, I was wondering of someone could help. I have a micro SDHC card with an adapter. When I insert it into the MiniSD slot on my n810 it is detected. The only problem is that I cannot add anything to the device. Nor can I create any new folder on it |
| 23:14.23 | luke-jr_ | coeus82: try formattign |
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| 23:14.44 | coeus82 | luke-jr: do I format it to ext3? |
| 23:15.18 | johnx | just format it in the device with the menu |
| 23:15.33 | luke-jr_ | coeus82: vfat unless you need ext3 |
| 23:16.32 | coeus82 | assume vfat is default, that should do |
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| 23:27.30 | z4chh | so i tried out the gps navigation on my new n810 |
| 23:27.31 | z4chh | i was impressed |
| 23:28.10 | z4chh | wayfinder is not as interactive as some of the garmin software out there..but it definately gets the job done |
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| 23:28.31 | z4chh | hi skibur |
| 23:28.41 | GeneralAntilles | I'd love to see Garmin's navigation software available on the next tablets. |
| 23:28.44 | skibur | jello |
| 23:28.47 | GeneralAntilles | They do a top-notch job. |
| 23:28.50 | z4chh | GeneralAntilles, same :D |
| 23:29.10 | skibur | hum... since Ubuntu is arm based, can it work on N800? |
| 23:29.20 | skibur | well as of ubuntu 9 |
| 23:29.32 | GeneralAntilles | Ubuntu supports ARM, it's not "arm based" |
| 23:29.40 | GeneralAntilles | But, yes, you can use Ubuntu on an N800. |
| 23:29.48 | GeneralAntilles | Although it's a rather pointless endeavor. |
| 23:29.51 | z4chh | GeneralAntilles, garmin would be proprietary....but it is free once you buy one of their devices...how would new tablet run their software? |
| 23:30.26 | johnx | depends on how much of it you want to use |
| 23:30.54 | GeneralAntilles | Well, the 800-series Nüvis are Linux-based. |
| 23:30.58 | GeneralAntilles | GTK, so it wouldn't be far off. |
| 23:31.55 | z4chh | GeneralAntilles, i meant in a legal sense |
| 23:32.10 | z4chh | wouldn't we all have to buy like licenses or something? |
| 23:32.31 | GeneralAntilles | Well, assuming Garmin would even consider licensing it. |
| 23:32.38 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I'm talking about buying it for use. |
| 23:32.43 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia Maps may be good enough, though. |
| 23:33.14 | luke-jr_ | hm, in theory if you buy a Garmin, can you move the s/w to your N810? |
| 23:33.20 | z4chh | yeah, the mapping software is decent |
| 23:33.23 | luke-jr_ | from a legal standpoint I mean |
| 23:33.39 | luke-jr_ | eg, as fair use |
| 23:33.43 | z4chh | hah |
| 23:33.51 | z4chh | my dad has a garmin...im going to try to mount it |
| 23:33.57 | z4chh | just to have a look |
| 23:33.57 | z4chh | xD |
| 23:34.38 | skibur | Thanks GeneralAntilles |
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| 23:36.01 | GeneralAntilles | z4chh, only the 800-series are Linux. |
| 23:37.42 | z4chh | GeneralAntilles, noted |
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| 23:38.00 | coeus82 | z4chh: you can move the s/w to the n810? |
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| 23:51.35 | MoonTiger | does anybody here use the anjuta plugin for the maemo-sdk dev stuff? |
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| 23:55.07 | lcuk | no MoonTiger |
| 23:55.18 | lcuk | uses the console |
| 23:55.28 | MoonTiger | hey lcuk :) |
| 23:55.35 | lcuk | hi there :) ltns |
| 23:55.48 | MoonTiger | yah ive been travelling and moving house |
| 23:55.54 | lcuk | how you keeping? are you still in *magic ball* spain? |
| 23:55.56 | MoonTiger | now i live on the beach in south of spain |
| 23:56.14 | MoonTiger | but im in uk right now visiting family |
| 23:56.18 | lcuk | yay good, you were just moving in when we last spoke |
| 23:56.56 | lcuk | what are you working on the sdk to do |
| 23:57.06 | MoonTiger | havent had internet in spain for a while either but that should be in when i get back |
| 23:57.08 | lcuk | or are you just poking around |
| 23:57.17 | *** join/#maemo tulkastaldo (n=tulkas@24-236-213-147.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) |
| 23:57.36 | MoonTiger | i want to rewrite my google calendar applet in c so it doesnt have the horrendous python runtime overhead |
| 23:57.52 | lcuk | sounds like a worthy target |
| 23:57.56 | MoonTiger | yah |
| 23:57.59 | lcuk | have you seen any of my recent work |
| 23:58.08 | MoonTiger | no internet |
| 23:58.37 | MoonTiger | have you been busy? |
| 23:58.40 | lcuk | ahh MoonTiger :) http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28592&page=2 |
| 23:58.43 | lcuk | yes, very |
| 23:59.05 | lcuk | to give it context, this was released a couple of months ago |
| 23:59.05 | lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY |
