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| 00:01.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, /etc/apt/sources.list is empty? |
| 00:02.54 | johnx_ | ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 00:02.59 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 00:03.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | aha, thx |
| 00:03.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, they d.d.devilzed that, too |
| 00:04.20 | johnx_ | I think later debian and ubuntu accept the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/foo structure as well |
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| 00:22.16 | lopz | gn |
| 00:22.43 | Proteous | gm |
| 00:22.53 | lopz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:23.16 | waloo | trying to install ubuntu |
| 00:23.23 | waloo | does not boot |
| 00:25.24 | Proteous | does not compute |
| 00:26.03 | luke-jr | %&*(#&%)# |
| 00:26.06 | luke-jr | gpsdriver depends on GTK |
| 00:26.10 | luke-jr | I hate you, Nokia |
| 00:26.28 | luke-jr | why the heck can't they just release code? :< |
| 00:26.41 | GeneralAntilles | File a bug with justification. |
| 00:26.53 | luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: what? |
| 00:26.59 | GeneralAntilles | Avoid any attacks. |
| 00:27.22 | Proteous | don't shoot food |
| 00:27.26 | GeneralAntilles | Say, "I want this code to do this." |
| 00:27.34 | derf | You shot the food. |
| 00:27.44 | Proteous | green elf needs food badly |
| 00:27.49 | Proteous | use keys to open doors |
| 00:28.13 | GeneralAntilles | I use numeric codes. |
| 00:28.14 | derf | And Pavlov wins again. |
| 00:28.28 | luke-jr | â¦. |
| 00:28.49 | GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, bugs.maemo.org |
| 00:29.15 | Proteous | sºQá½\ |
| 00:29.21 | luke-jr | Proteous: you win |
| 00:29.45 | Proteous | is so proud he calls his mom to gush |
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| 00:37.26 | johnx_ | hey rm_you :) |
| 00:38.03 | rm_you | hey johnx |
| 00:41.18 | Proteous | OMG HI TO YOU ALL |
| 00:41.33 | Proteous | that's all I got |
| 00:41.35 | Proteous | sorry |
| 00:42.04 | johnx | all I got is problems with X.org API mismatch so I think you're better off :P |
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| 00:42.28 | Proteous | heh |
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| 00:48.05 | luke-jr | so any idea how to get battery level? :/ |
| 00:48.19 | luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: look good? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4380 |
| 00:48.23 | johnx | luke-jr, kcbatt |
| 00:50.27 | GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, yeah, if you final any in the future, do one per package, though. |
| 00:50.32 | GeneralAntilles | s/final/file/ |
| 00:50.41 | luke-jr | johnx: part of Mer.. where does Mer keep their code? |
| 00:50.47 | GeneralAntilles | My muscle memory is taking over my higher brain functions. |
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| 00:51.01 | luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: oh, I figured the latter was applicable as an "oversight" thing |
| 00:51.17 | luke-jr | seeing as it is already BSD licensed and used only by (afaik) gpsdriver |
| 00:51.48 | johnx | luke-jr, not part of mer actually. it's a standalone thing. Mer uses something different, but kcbatt is nice and quick and simple and has source available |
| 00:51.57 | GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, you can never really guess why something is the way it is, and it's easier on the Maemo SW guys if theyy can address each bug individually. |
| 00:53.06 | luke-jr | johnx: oh, my Google results led me to Mer; any links? ;) |
| 00:53.45 | johnx | oh, guess it did end up in mer at some point |
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| 01:09.33 | johnx | luke-jr, source should be available in mer. was the first result on google |
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| 01:17.48 | luke-jr | johnx: for what search terms? :/ |
| 01:27.05 | johnx | kcbatt |
| 01:29.27 | luke-jr | you must be getting different results |
| 01:30.00 | johnx | ok, second result |
| 01:30.30 | johnx | I'm sorry but I don't have time to use google for you right now |
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| 03:06.45 | kcowolf | heh |
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| 03:24.05 | luke-jr | hm |
| 03:24.18 | luke-jr | would be neat to track "unhealthy" GPS sattelites ;) |
| 03:30.17 | ShadowJK | hm? |
| 03:32.07 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: sattelites being maneuvered manually |
| 03:32.32 | ShadowJK | Yeah but aren't they removed from the gps constellation before that? |
| 03:32.48 | luke-jr | wikipedia made it sound like their signal was just flagged |
| 03:32.56 | ShadowJK | ah |
| 03:33.08 | ShadowJK | What do you mean by track anyway :-) |
| 03:33.15 | luke-jr | visualize ;) |
| 03:33.21 | luke-jr | watch how it's being moved |
| 03:35.09 | ShadowJK | You'd need special equipment for that :) |
| 03:35.16 | ShadowJK | Or a telescope |
| 03:35.33 | ShadowJK | GPS receivers can't actually tell where the satellites are |
| 03:36.50 | ShadowJK | The satellites tell the receiver where the satellite is, and the satellite gets its information from the ground tracking station, which will send the updated info to the satellite once its passed over the tracking station a few times and they've gotten new accurate reading on its new orbit :) |
| 03:37.20 | ShadowJK | hm |
| 03:38.30 | luke-jr | use a few other satellites to figure it out? |
| 03:41.35 | ShadowJK | eh? :) |
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| 05:39.18 | Stskeeps | morn |
| 05:43.14 | rkirti | morning everyone |
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| 05:57.40 | kcowolf | ... |
| 05:57.49 | kcowolf | do I want to have another try at Ubuntu tonight, or should I wait? |
| 05:58.11 | Stskeeps | jaunty on i386? :P |
| 05:58.20 | kcowolf | on the n810 |
| 05:58.41 | kcowolf | I used the i386 liveCD to recover files off my laptop tonight, though |
| 05:58.52 | Stskeeps | ah, i wouldn't use ubuntu on n810 personally :P |
| 05:59.28 | kcowolf | I'm trying to put it on an external card... I'd just like to have it around |
| 06:00.12 | Stskeeps | is looking forward to 0.12 of mer getting released. battery life similar to maemo but with power of ubuntu repo. |
| 06:01.15 | kcowolf | that'll be interesting |
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| 06:15.50 | rkirti | Stskeeps, kcowolf : Sorry to interrupt - but ubuntu on n810 ? I thought the NITs ran only Maemo/Symbian and now Mer ? |
| 06:16.29 | Stskeeps | rkirti: ah - no, NITs don't run Symbian, but they can run everything from angstrom to ubuntu - if they have an ARM port |
| 06:16.40 | Stskeeps | we do have a linux kernel and ability to adjust cmdline, so |
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| 06:16.56 | Stskeeps | it's just that desktop distros don't account for power savings :) |
| 06:16.59 | Stskeeps | hence Mer |
| 06:17.05 | rkirti | Stskeeps: ooh. |
| 06:17.42 | Stskeeps | that's what is excellent of the n8x0 devices - we can get rid of maemo if we want to |
| 06:18.01 | rkirti | Stskeeps: thats some enlightenment for me.thanks :) |
| 06:22.53 | rkirti | just checked the angstrom and OE trees - either certain things are not updated or I am goofing up.. |
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| 06:23.20 | Stskeeps | with regards to? |
| 06:23.22 | rkirti | Stskeeps: got 5 minutes ? I cant understand two things... |
| 06:24.17 | Stskeeps | yeah, i just woke up, so try :) |
| 06:24.33 | rkirti | Stskeeps: 1. The OE supported devices list mentions N800 with only Mamona..I assume this is a lack of update. |
| 06:24.55 | Stskeeps | yeah - i think mamona kinda stalled |
| 06:25.01 | rkirti | Stskeeps: 2. apart from that, you said angstrom packages having an ARM port will run on N8x0s.. |
| 06:25.45 | Stskeeps | well, if we look entirely at user mode, if it runs on ARMv6, it will run on N8x0s - you may need some init.d tricks to get it actually booting, but yeah |
| 06:25.55 | rkirti | Stskeeps: I remember trying to use some iPaq or h___ device packages for the Atmel boards, thinking that the ports were for the same CPU--it failed miserably |
| 06:26.30 | rkirti | Stskeeps: ok. what are these init.d tricks about ? |
| 06:27.10 | Stskeeps | basically, to have fairly sane booting of OS'es (through the Maemo initfs), we have patched initfs with a bootmenu |
| 06:27.47 | Stskeeps | the bootmenu supports writing boot menu items, where you can use a certain feature, ITEM_LINUXRC, which allows you to short-circuit the usual stuff initfs does when booting Maemo |
| 06:28.03 | Stskeeps | which is for example fun things such as rm -rf /var/run and ln -s /tmp/.run /var/run |
| 06:28.07 | Stskeeps | and other damaging things |
| 06:28.23 | rkirti | Stskeeps: ahh! |
| 06:28.34 | Stskeeps | ITEM_LINUXRC causes control to be moved to /linuxrc on the partition as soon as it can |
| 06:28.43 | rkirti | sounds ugly.. |
| 06:28.47 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 06:28.56 | Stskeeps | but trust me, the state before this hack was even worse |
| 06:29.15 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: I have an older bootmenu missing LINUXRC support |
| 06:29.16 | Stskeeps | the init stuff is simply to clean up a little and make sure that the DSME sockets are still accessible to the userland |
| 06:29.19 | luke-jr | any suggestions for upgrading? |
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| 06:29.30 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: reflash initfs only and then install bootmenu? |
| 06:29.44 | luke-jr | rather not reflash via USB |
| 06:29.54 | rkirti | Stskeeps: so if someone took the trouble to do a proper port - this wouldnt be needed ..and from what I am reading, adding a device to angstrom isnt that much of work.. |
| 06:30.16 | rkirti | Stskeeps: 'this' <==> such ugly hacks |
| 06:30.25 | luke-jr | rkirti: FWIW, slono and I are actively working on Gentoo support |
| 06:30.39 | Stskeeps | rkirti: well, there's advantages to the initfs approach, such as dual-booting. Mer does have a way to start the right daemons when booted without initfs |
| 06:30.53 | Stskeeps | also there's some watchdog daemons in initfs that are very handy |
| 06:31.10 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: pft. flash a initfs internally then. either way, you have to use the flasher to seperate the images |
| 06:31.31 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: so i can't just replace a few files? :/ |
| 06:31.46 | Stskeeps | it's better to take it fresh |
| 06:32.43 | Stskeeps | rkirti: anyway..for your own sanity, I would base your work on assuming you have a standard boot |
| 06:32.54 | Stskeeps | kernel mounting rootfs, starting /sbin/init |
| 06:33.10 | Stskeeps | and not look closely into N8x0 weird things |
| 06:33.11 | rkirti | luke-jr: ok. /me is happy - I am getting to know more and more porting experts - good for my SoC |
| 06:33.42 | rkirti | Stskeeps: yes.I dont think I ld be able to handle such tricks to begin with - so it has to be a standard boot |
| 06:34.45 | Stskeeps | besides that when you do have a working standard boot, the "tricks" are easy to add |
| 06:34.59 | Stskeeps | as we have them pretty stable in Mer, Deblet, and Gentoo uses the same tricks |
| 06:36.32 | rkirti | Stskeeps: ok. |
| 06:37.26 | Stskeeps | ponders when his fiancee will wake up |
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| 06:38.30 | qwerty12 | When you "accidentally" raise the volume on your television? |
| 06:38.36 | Stskeeps | what TV? :P |
| 06:38.45 | qwerty12 | Oh. Oh yeah :P |
| 06:38.49 | Stskeeps | has a media center with a huge screen, but no tv :P |
| 06:40.29 | luke-jr | what is rkirti's SoC anyhow |
| 06:40.40 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: OpenEmbedded build of Maemo |
| 06:41.48 | luke-jr | ah |
| 06:41.58 | luke-jr | I used to work with OpenEmbedded for my Zaurus |
| 06:42.04 | luke-jr | long time ago |
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| 06:54.33 | qwerty12 | hi zap. You don't happen to have any plans on making a bash4 package by any chance? :) |
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| 07:00.28 | zap | qwerty12: hi! my n810 was stolen :( |
| 07:00.46 | qwerty12 | zap: what! :( |
| 07:01.19 | zap | now I don't know what to do: either buy a new one, or wait for the upcoming n900 or whatever it will be called |
| 07:02.08 | waloo | bah luck :/ |
| 07:02.11 | waloo | bad |
| 07:02.14 | zap | yep |
| 07:02.30 | waloo | that's the problem with so small devices |
| 07:03.02 | zap | it was not about small devices, the thief entered my house |
| 07:03.09 | qwerty12 | zap: Although the N810 is getting a lot cheaper, the next device will have OMAP3 goodness (as you will most certainly know) :) |
| 07:03.37 | zap | sure I know, but I'm not sure when it will be out, taking account the world crisis and such :( |
| 07:04.25 | qwerty12 | If you're in St. Petersburg, break into FRUCT and see if they've left plans laying around :P |
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| 07:04.45 | waloo | thinks about making a patch that auto-ping my server when wireless link comes up, so as I can geolocalize the n810 ! |
| 07:05.14 | zap | what is FRUCT? |
| 07:05.53 | qwerty12 | zap: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=274894 |
| 07:05.53 | zap | aha, google is my friend |
| 07:07.33 | zap | you think they know something about n900? I think thats highly classified info even inside nokia |
| 07:07.50 | qwerty12 | Yeah, probably not :( |
| 07:09.33 | zap | cool info btw |
| 07:09.52 | zap | if I'll get my Nokia back I'll think about it since incidentally I live in st. petersburg :) |
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| 07:10.05 | qwerty12 | hehe :) |
| 07:10.29 | waloo | so, no chance you help me fixing my boot on the sd card that don't work ! :) |
| 07:12.01 | zap | qwerty12: btw why you want bash4? does it have something SO NICE compared to bash3? |
| 07:12.24 | zap | one thing for sure is that it's fatter |
| 07:13.10 | qwerty12 | zap: that's a good point, and my stupid response is: because it's newer... |
| 07:13.26 | qwerty12 | I guess I could try it out on my desktop and see if it's better :) |
| 07:13.41 | zap | :) |
| 07:13.57 | zap | on tablet we have to balance between features and speed/resources |
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| 07:23.44 | luke-jr | zap: GPS enable! |
| 07:24.29 | zap | luke-jr: unfortunately, N810 is not online :) |
| 07:24.49 | luke-jr | zap: wait until it is? |
| 07:24.55 | luke-jr | zap: surely you rigged it to call home? |
| 07:25.03 | zap | to call what? |
| 07:25.33 | luke-jr | call home! |
| 07:25.34 | zap | how you imagine a call from n810 without a registered phone lying near it? |
| 07:25.37 | luke-jr | ⦠|
| 07:25.48 | luke-jr | email works |
| 07:25.53 | zap | bah |
| 07:26.17 | luke-jr | dont' need POTS for a call home |
| 07:26.31 | luke-jr | heck, even a ping would be ok |
| 07:26.34 | luke-jr | or DNS lookup |
| 07:27.01 | luke-jr | <lat>.<lng>.<devicename>.iamat.yourdomain.net |
| 07:27.11 | luke-jr | then it works from behind pay portals! |
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| 07:28.08 | luke-jr | of course, the ideal is if it establish a nstx connection ;) |
| 07:28.17 | luke-jr | then you can SSH in and turn on webcam and stuff |
| 07:28.18 | zap | what is a nstx connection |
| 07:28.20 | luke-jr | <.< |
| 07:28.23 | luke-jr | nstx is IP over DNS |
| 07:28.24 | luke-jr | ⺠|
| 07:30.55 | luke-jr | snap a pic of whoever's holding it, then display "THIS DEVICE IS STOLEN; PLEASE CALL <your number> WITHIN THE NEXT 2 MINUTES OR YOUR PHOTO AND LOCATION WILL BE RELEASED TO POLICE" |
| 07:31.18 | luke-jr | teh ultimate anti-theft :D |
| 07:31.53 | qwerty12 | Add a remotely activated taser :P |
| 07:32.01 | luke-jr | qwerty12: N810 doesn't have it :< |
| 07:32.36 | luke-jr | wonders if there would be a market for such a handheld anti-theft service |
| 07:33.22 | luke-jr | goes back to reverse engineering GPS5300 protocol |
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| 07:44.21 | oli | how to change master volume via ssh/terminal? |
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| 07:47.11 | qwerty12 | oli: gconftool --type int --set /apps/osso/sound/master_volume -- <number> |
| 07:47.46 | oli | qwerty12: thanks :) |
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| 07:50.07 | luke-jr | anyhow |
| 07:50.12 | luke-jr | gpsdriver is doing something |
| 07:50.19 | luke-jr | going to bed and hope to have a fix by morning :D |
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| 08:02.27 | Stskeeps | mumbles something about pulseaudio |
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| 08:04.16 | RST38h | Sts: try bat dropping mixed with the snake blood |
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| 08:19.35 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:21.06 | ukki | morning |
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| 08:24.49 | RST38h | ukki: btw, I have tried UKMP |
| 08:32.30 | ukki | RST38h: good to know |
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| 08:46.05 | RST38h | ukki: It crashed. |
| 08:46.36 | Stskeeps | btw ukki != kontorri afaik? :P |
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| 08:47.27 | RST38h | Ok, to be precise, it hung (indexing music?) then crashed. On the second run, it ran, although none of the CD jackets were shown |
| 08:47.33 | ukki | and not even konttori |
| 08:48.16 | RST38h | Ah |
| 08:48.59 | RST38h | is sorry, wrong guy =) |
| 08:49.39 | ukki | np :) |
| 08:50.39 | ukki | dunno python either so i can't fix it for you |
| 08:51.06 | RST38h | Oh, don't worry :) |
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| 11:13.24 | lopz | hola |
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| 11:15.32 | waloo | hello |
| 11:15.43 | waloo | anyone to help fix multiboot issue ? |
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| 11:17.12 | waloo | I've installed ubuntu jaunty on my n810 external sd |
| 11:17.15 | waloo | (p3) |
| 11:17.23 | waloo | But I connot manage to boot it |
| 11:18.17 | waloo | using the mer boot menu : it immediately reboots after the menu |
| 11:19.33 | waloo | using the boot menu in the wiki Booting_from_a_flash_card page, I got the ubuntu spash screen and beeing said that I don't use the right boot loader |
| 11:21.29 | johnx | try the mer bootloader |
| 11:21.58 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody know where the Bugzilla SVN is hanging out? |
| 11:22.23 | johnx | waloo, install the merinstaller from here, but only run "install bootmenu" |
| 11:22.24 | johnx | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Installation#N8x0_Install |
| 11:22.39 | waloo | donr that |
| 11:22.41 | waloo | done |
| 11:23.08 | Stskeeps | sighs at ubuntu n8x0 and goes make coffee |
| 11:23.09 | johnx | this is probably a different version of bootmenu than the one linked on "booting from a flash card" |
| 11:23.16 | johnx | mmm...coffee |
| 11:23.35 | johnx | though actually I need to sleep before LFNW ... |
| 11:23.39 | waloo | tried both |
| 11:23.39 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 11:23.48 | Stskeeps | johnx: when is it? today? |
| 11:23.54 | johnx | Stskeeps, 5 hours |
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| 11:23.57 | Stskeeps | k |
| 11:24.49 | waloo | here is my bootmenu item for mer |
| 11:24.51 | waloo | http://paste.ubuntu-fr-secours.org/src-13504 |
| 11:25.05 | Stskeeps | you will need to reinstall ubuntu btw, you ruined it with the other bootmenu |
| 11:25.05 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:25.18 | waloo | I did |
| 11:25.58 | waloo | It runs weel in chroot |
| 11:26.01 | waloo | ell |
| 11:26.03 | waloo | arg |
| 11:26.11 | Stskeeps | yes, but you ruined it with booting it with the other bootmenu |
| 11:26.12 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:26.35 | waloo | why that ? |
| 11:28.05 | waloo | well I : 1 - installed on ext2 try to boot with wiki's bootmenu, 2 - tried with mer boot, 3 - re- mkfs / install. 4 - try out mer menu |
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| 11:50.29 | wazd | hello maemo |
| 11:50.36 | GAN800 | Hi, wazd |
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| 13:16.16 | NishanthM | hi folks, |
| 13:16.48 | NishanthM | wondering if anyone has given https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo-beagle a run? https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=3532 was not much helpful.. :( |
| 13:17.44 | NishanthM | the right link is this: http://maemo-beagle.garage.maemo.org/ apologies.. |
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| 13:23.04 | Stskeeps | NishanthM: think juha is pretty open to question so just ask him i guess |
| 13:23.56 | NishanthM | Stskeeps: thanks.. just checking out maemo 5 on beagle.. let me dig around before spaming 100s of folks :D |
| 13:24.13 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 13:24.31 | Stskeeps | should try mer on beagle again but has problems with his usb hub & beagleboard |
| 13:25.01 | NishanthM | oh oh.. |
| 13:25.42 | NishanthM | Stskeeps: i plan to use a 720p TV with DVI, usb hub for my bringup.. mebbe stead the kernel and kernel modules from angstrom distrib.. |
| 13:25.52 | NishanthM | s/stead/steel |
| 13:26.07 | thux | got midori in diablo, otherwise works well but in file drop down menu 'save as' isn't available? is it some permission thing? |
| 13:27.07 | NishanthM | Stskeeps: any specifics you would like to warn me before i dive in :D? |
| 13:31.43 | Stskeeps | in maemo-beagle? no idea :P |
| 13:32.33 | NishanthM | Stskeeps: np.. always love to hack around.. will post something if i get thru to an extent.. thanks.. |
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| 13:47.36 | qwerty12_N800 | VDVsx: may I use yor code, from BlueMaemo, for enabling the bluetooth, please? (Been spending my morning hildonizing gAnyRemote :)) |
| 13:48.52 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N800, of course :) |
| 13:49.03 | qwerty12_N800 | Thanks :) |
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| 13:51.37 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N800, although there is a bug in the code: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=277485&postcount=346 |
| 13:51.44 | VDVsx | but is very easy to fix |
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| 13:52.25 | qwerty12_N800 | will look out for that. thanks again! :) |
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| 14:08.14 | RST38h | heya wazds |
| 14:08.55 | felipec | NishanthM: try the distro-agnostic way: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo5_alpha_installation/ |
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| 14:09.57 | NishanthM | felipec: aah ok..http://scratchbox.org/debian/dists/maemo5-sdk/main/ -> might have been nice to see binary-amd64 there |
| 14:10.06 | NishanthM | kinda saves a bother for lazy buggers like me :D |
| 14:10.48 | NishanthM | breaks for quake on ps3 and breakfast |
| 14:10.49 | felipec | NishanthM: yeah, it would also be nice to have RPM packages for lazy Fedora users like me :) |
| 14:11.42 | NishanthM | felipec: fedora... hmmm.. the endangered OS :P - jk.. yeah might have been good.. |
| 14:12.17 | locutus | ....RPM? |
| 14:12.21 | wazd | RST38h: hola |
| 14:12.23 | locutus | i havent seen that in years ;-) |
| 14:12.38 | wazd | Just heavy-used 5800 for a while |
| 14:12.56 | wazd | Well, I don't get why people are complainning bout screen responsiveness |
| 14:13.10 | felipec | NishanthM: nah, many FOSS developers use Fedora, including Linus :) |
| 14:13.21 | wazd | For me it was 100% usable, in fact much better than n800 |
| 14:14.06 | NishanthM | felipec: love debian derivatives :D.. apt-get is simple enough for me.. ubuntu 9.04 is fine as far as I need.. |
| 14:17.10 | felipec | NishanthM: good luck doing 'rpm -q --whatprovides "gstreamer0.10(encoder-video/x-h264)"' or 'rpm -q --whatprovides "perl(syslog)"' on dpkg :) |
| 14:17.42 | NishanthM | :D |
| 14:18.41 | NishanthM | sudo apt-get install gstreamer ;) |
| 14:19.29 | felipec | NishanthM: that would not give you all GStreamer elements |
| 14:19.48 | RST38h | wazd: it is simple |
| 14:20.50 | RST38h | wazd: people try operating it with fingers and expect it respond to the touch |
| 14:20.51 | wazd | RST38h: well, I was operating with finger only) |
| 14:20.52 | RST38h | wazd: the problem of course is that its resistive touchscreen responds to pressure and you have to apply some pressure for it to work |
| 14:21.06 | qwerty12_N800 | felipec: sudo apt-get install gstreamer* :p |
| 14:21.32 | RST38h | wazd: the easiest way around it is to just use that triangular thingie, it works 100% of the time |
| 14:21.40 | felipec | qwerty12_N800: that would not give you all gstreamer elements either :) |
| 14:21.59 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe, fair enough :p :) |
| 14:22.16 | felipec | (hint: sometimes you need a non-official repository) |
| 14:22.39 | gomiam | felipec: O RLY? ;) |
| 14:23.10 | RST38h | wazd: you probably pressed, those people just touched, like they did with iPhone |
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| 14:23.55 | wazd | RST38h: my press was very slight. n800 don't even respond to that touch and require much harder press |
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| 14:24.41 | wazd | RST38h: i was really surprised in fact how the device was behaving, I was expecting much-much worse experience |
| 14:24.43 | suihkulokki | a Iphone *and* a distro flamewar at the same time here? |
| 14:24.51 | suihkulokki | goes fetch popcorn |
| 14:25.21 | gomiam | wazd: define slight. I have an N800 and most o my pressure woes are my fingers being too fat, so I need to use my nails ;) |
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| 14:27.38 | wazd | gomiam: mmm, almost no presure |
| 14:28.01 | RST38h | wazd: it is a nice device, not a "wow" device but pretty functional and useful |
| 14:28.17 | gomiam | wazd: anyway, press some more then ;) |
| 14:28.50 | wazd | gomiam: no, I'm bout 5800, n800 require descent "press" |
| 14:29.21 | gomiam | ? |
| 14:29.26 | gomiam | syntax error :) |
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| 14:30.25 | RST38h | wazd: I just hope n9xx will have a similarly well protected screen |
| 14:30.30 | suihkulokki | fwiw, latest intel xorg drivers locked up my thinkpad x40 |
| 14:30.43 | suihkulokki | switched noaccel = yes |
| 14:30.53 | suihkulokki | now it works again - without noticable slowdown :P |
| 14:31.45 | wazd | RST38h: yep, 5800 really impressed me, very nice phone. I can even close my eyes on some UI failures like "single/double tap" |
| 14:34.09 | ShadowJK | as long as it isn't quintuple-tap |
| 14:34.14 | VDVsx | why lcuk eat some much bacon: http://lifehacker.com/5225910/bacon-sandwiches-speed-up-hangover-recovery :P |
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| 14:35.19 | wazd | ShadowJK: heh :) The only problem is that you don't know what tap does the system expect from you |
| 14:35.42 | wazd | ShadowJK: and I haven't found any rule how to define that |
| 14:36.59 | ShadowJK | Oh that's a thing I have issues with in the file manager in maemo, I have issues just selecting something :) |
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| 14:43.58 | luke-jr | so um |
| 14:44.17 | luke-jr | cgps shows 6 satellites as "Used", but NO FIX still |
| 14:44.18 | luke-jr | wtf? :/ |
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| 14:46.03 | ShadowJK | what does maemo-mapper show? |
| 14:48.22 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: no idea, haven't tried building that yet |
| 14:49.14 | luke-jr | (and I highly doubt Maemo's package will run w/o Maemo) |
| 14:49.16 | ShadowJK | hmm... |
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| 15:01.47 | RST38h | wazd: the most important part - you can still operate it with one hand, just like a normal s0 device |
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| 15:02.17 | RST38h | kinda hasn't paid attention to this feature until he got to use Motorola UIQ phone |
| 15:07.56 | lcuk | VDVsx, i dont eat that much bacon lol |
| 15:09.25 | VDVsx | eheh |
| 15:15.03 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: I wonder if cgps doesn't "count" as a connection to activate GPS for |
| 15:15.30 | thopiekar | is someone of you using ekiga? |
| 15:16.02 | ShadowJK | I suspect you need to use libgpsbt to activate gps |
| 15:16.21 | ShadowJK | but i dunno |
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| 15:19.02 | ShadowJK | I also have a hunch that it's worth looking at actual data and not as much at the status fields, and also check that the data is changing and not just repeat of old stale stuff :-) |
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| 15:38.34 | man_in_pda | anyone know of a camera app that lets you use the 'fullscreen' button on N810 to snap a photo? |
| 15:39.55 | qwerty12 | liqbase |
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| 15:40.59 | man_in_pda | qwerty12, was that for me? |
| 15:41.03 | qwerty12 | yep |
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| 15:46.12 | man_in_pda | perfect! thanks qwerty12 |
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| 15:56.32 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: I don't *have* libgpsbt ;) |
| 15:57.29 | luke-jr | any idea why 'nm' and 'objdump -t' deny symbols in gpsdriver? |
| 15:57.33 | luke-jr | obviously it must have *some* |
| 16:02.36 | guysoft42 | hey, i found a new thing related to the keyboard bug! when i go in to the nokia over x11vnc. and send a key from the numlock, it reboots too! |
| 16:02.44 | guysoft42 | isnt that strange? |
| 16:03.20 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: nm -D ? |
| 16:03.33 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: ltrace and strace, maybe |
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| 16:04.44 | guysoft42 | Stskeeps, hey, did you see my reply before? |
| 16:04.48 | qwerty12 | guysoft42: do you have XInputExtension enabled? |
| 16:05.04 | guysoft42 | qwerty12, where would that be written? |
| 16:05.11 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: didn't we have a weird weird bug with this and Mer once? |
| 16:05.35 | Stskeeps | nm |
| 16:05.42 | Stskeeps | wasn't Xomap |
| 16:05.51 | qwerty12 | guysoft42: look in /etc/init.d/x-server |
| 16:05.57 | luke-jr | is Xomap a kdrive? |
| 16:06.25 | guysoft42 | hmm, are there suposed to be 2 files there? /etc/init.d/x-server and /etc/init.d/x-server-pre-pc-connectivity-x11vnc |
| 16:06.27 | guysoft42 | ? |
| 16:06.47 | qwerty12 | I'd hazard a guess on XInputExtension being your problem |
| 16:06.49 | guysoft42 | qwerty12, ARGS="-mouse tslib -nozap -dpi $DISPLAY_DPI -wr -nolisten tcp -extension XInputExtension" |
| 16:06.58 | qwerty12 | Bingo. Remove -extension XInputExtension and reboot |
| 16:07.00 | guysoft42 | should i remove tcp -extension XInputExtension? |
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| 16:07.56 | guysoft42 | qwerty12, lets see.. this is interesting |
| 16:08.31 | guysoft42 | qwerty12, if so, we located the bug .. and i have a feeling that it does come from pc-connectivity.. we need to see who created: x-server-pre-pc-connectivity-x11vnc |
| 16:09.01 | qwerty12 | -extension XInputExtension is a hack to enable the pressing of application menu over x11vnc |
| 16:09.10 | qwerty12 | A better method is using a patched hildon-desktop |
| 16:09.37 | guysoft42 | qwerty12, well it must be doing something else.. lets see first if this actualy worked |
| 16:09.59 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, ping? |
| 16:10.19 | guysoft42 | it works!! it works! |
| 16:10.41 | guysoft42 | qwerty12, so we know where that bug comes from |
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| 16:14.06 | guysoft42 | qwerty12, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4374 |
| 16:14.22 | guysoft42 | qwerty12, where do i get that/ |
| 16:15.30 | qwerty12 | guysoft42: not sure, you could try dpkg -S /etc/init.d/x-server-pre-pc-connectivity-x11vnc |
| 16:16.49 | guysoft42 | qwerty12, it also seemed to have another bug, that i had with hebrew here |
| 16:17.34 | guysoft42 | qwerty12, dpkg: /etc/init.d/x-server-pre-pc-connectivity-x11vnc not found. |
| 16:17.48 | guysoft42 | it must be in some postinst file |
| 16:18.16 | guysoft42 | qwerty12, can some one at least mark https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4374 as confirmed for me? |
| 16:18.25 | guysoft42 | it mean, i kinda found its reason now |
| 16:19.15 | qwerty12 | guysoft42: grep -r x-server /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.*inst |
| 16:19.23 | guysoft42 | hmm, it actually removed a feature i had that i liked. he chr button used to type in hebrew.. so i could do shift+chr and then use the hardware keyboard for hebrew |
| 16:19.40 | guysoft42 | /var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xomap.postinst: |
| 16:19.49 | qwerty12 | Anything else? |
| 16:19.54 | guysoft42 | update-rc.d x-server start 21 2 3 4 5 . stop 23 0 1 6 . >/dev/null || exit $? |
| 16:20.00 | guysoft42 | but that is not part of it really |
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| 16:22.23 | guysoft42 | qwerty12, do you have another language on your device? |
| 16:22.35 | qwerty12 | Nope, just English |
| 16:23.23 | RST38h | "...the approach to SCP-953's containment chamber is to be lined with open-cage dog kennels, preferably of the Korean Jindo or American Foxhound breed. SCP-953 displays an extreme phobia of domesticated canines, and will not pass within 10m of one, especially when barking or alerted." |
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| 16:25.23 | guysoft42 | qwerty12, ah, fixed the keyboard layout with running the postscript of the hebrew packages |
| 16:26.49 | mib_s0sk4o | hello could you guys help me with my tablet |
| 16:27.06 | guysoft42 | is not sure what to do with the bug now. who should know about it in the maemo develop team? |
| 16:27.36 | Stskeeps | guysoft42: think they kinda gave up on Xomap |
| 16:27.59 | guysoft42 | Stskeeps, how can you give up on it? i mean whats the alternative? |
| 16:28.15 | Stskeeps | whatever they work on for Fremantle |
| 16:29.02 | guysoft42 | Stskeeps, is maemo 5 that different? |
| 16:29.09 | GeneralAntilles | Where the hell are the bugzilla sources? :( |
| 16:29.10 | Stskeeps | guysoft42: new hw, 3d acceleration.. |
| 16:29.20 | GeneralAntilles | X.org |
| 16:29.27 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: it's actually not a program. it's a bunch of 770's running an AI. |
| 16:29.49 | guysoft42 | Stskeeps, 3d? but the Nokia N series has no 3d.. |
| 16:30.07 | Stskeeps | guysoft42: don't ask me, but it's in the roadma |
| 16:30.07 | Stskeeps | p |
| 16:30.13 | GeneralAntilles | Yes they do. |
| 16:30.13 | lbt | it does guysoft42, but it has no driver |
| 16:30.16 | Stskeeps | and the N800s does actually have 3d, but no driver |
| 16:30.24 | lbt | scores |
| 16:30.28 | Jaffa | guysoft42: The next device will have an exposed OpenGL-ES driver |
| 16:30.50 | guysoft42 | Stskeeps, so the new maemo 5 will actually tap that 3d chip? or are we going to be outdated |
| 16:31.02 | lbt | new chip |
| 16:31.06 | Jaffa | guysoft42: Maemo 5 is not going to be made available for the 770, N800 or N810 |
| 16:31.13 | guysoft42 | :( |
| 16:31.14 | lbt | so we won't benefit |
| 16:31.17 | GeneralAntilles | ~rx-51 |
| 16:31.17 | infobot | from memory, rx-51 is http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/ http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9093153240.html |
| 16:31.36 | lbt | though there were rumours - I doubt they'll happen |
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| 16:32.15 | Jaffa | wonders if the RX-51'll be in his hands before going to San Francisco for JavaOne. The N810 did well last year, but a little slow. An OMAP3 based device would be sooo good |
| 16:32.22 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, Nokia is working with ImagTech to try to get a community driver released. |
| 16:32.50 | lbt | any news on that? |
| 16:32.59 | Stskeeps | "working on it" |
| 16:33.02 | lbt | ie looking good, or looking bad |
| 16:33.05 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, Andre, free labor if you point me to the Bugzilla templates. . . . http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/bugzilla-newstyle-test.jpg |
| 16:33.16 | guysoft42 | GeneralAntilles, i am amazed there is such a hardware chip unused |
| 16:33.32 | GeneralAntilles | guysoft42, blame ImagTech for being shitty. |
| 16:34.03 | lcuk | its a bit late for blame lol |
| 16:34.16 | Stskeeps | hammers head into the wall about the OE GSoC thread |
| 16:34.31 | lcuk | hasnt seen any mail for ages |
| 16:34.41 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, lol, I was thinking it didn't sound right. |
| 16:34.46 | lcuk | nor many females either |
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| 16:35.01 | lcuk | hmmhiya yerga \o |
| 16:35.13 | lcuk | -hmmm |
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| 16:35.20 | yerga | hey lcuk |
| 16:35.38 | yerga | congrats for the summer of code project ;) |
| 16:35.46 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, patchmaster, you know where the bugzilla svn is hiding? |
| 16:35.47 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: yet another set of eyes on Maemo platform portability, and being able to target the platforms Maemo/Hildon could run on, but that Mer doesn't easily fit in, is a benefit |
| 16:36.05 | lcuk | thanks, zach is gonna be a big help :) |
| 16:36.10 | yerga | GeneralAntilles, maemo.org bugzilla? |
| 16:36.15 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 16:36.22 | yerga | no idea |
| 16:36.29 | Stskeeps | heck, i want hildon on a armv4 touchscreen |
| 16:36.41 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade's not here on weekends and andre__ darted out when I asked him this morning. :( |
| 16:36.43 | guysoft42 | i gtg.. but thanks for at least solving the bug for me |
| 16:37.02 | guysoft42 | GeneralAntilles, could you at least confirm this bug.. |
| 16:37.06 | guysoft42 | ? |
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| 16:37.09 | Stskeeps | it should be appealing to have a consumer grade touch framework in reach for embedded developers (OE), and for closer-to-laptops devices (Mer) |
| 16:37.20 | GeneralAntilles | guysoft42, as I haven't experienced it myself, no. |
| 16:37.40 | lcuk | lol stskeeps, you are differentiating yourself already lol |
| 16:38.01 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: OE is closer to laptop than Mer is ;) |
| 16:38.27 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: oh, you can use a hammer to fix your toliet, but sometimes a tool box is better. |
| 16:38.34 | Stskeeps | toilet |
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| 16:38.48 | luke-jr | OE was designed for the Zaurii |
| 16:38.53 | luke-jr | Mer for the Nseries |
| 16:38.57 | Stskeeps | oh, no |
| 16:39.02 | luke-jr | Zaurii are quite a bit moer laptop-like than Nseries |
| 16:39.04 | Stskeeps | Mer was designed with genericity in mind. |
| 16:39.12 | Stskeeps | for most of the time, i developed on x86, in a VM. |
| 16:39.15 | luke-jr | yes, so was OE |
| 16:39.17 | locutus | Mer? |
| 16:39.21 | locutus | (that name googles so well) |
| 16:39.22 | guysoft42 | GeneralAntilles, well, if you don't believe me you are welcome to follow the instructions to recreate it. now that we know what causes it |
| 16:39.24 | luke-jr | but they have primary/original targets |
| 16:39.49 | GeneralAntilles | ~mer |
| 16:39.49 | infobot | mer is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer |
| 16:40.08 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: in any case, i welcome the existence of gentoo, OE, who the hell cares distro packages. all the more power to the maemo platform if we can take a program on one and get it on a huge amount of different devices. |
| 16:40.19 | Stskeeps | has no strong feelings about that. |
| 16:40.27 | luke-jr | ⺠|
| 16:40.51 | lcuk | +1 sts :) |
| 16:41.07 | lbt | it does show there is a fair amount of confusion still |
| 16:41.36 | GeneralAntilles | Can't find the gforge templates either. |
| 16:41.37 | lcuk | hiya david |
| 16:41.52 | Stskeeps | never claimed to be the generic platform for all things hildon :) |
| 16:42.09 | luke-jr | ooooooo |
| 16:42.12 | GeneralAntilles | OK, new issue to address, making the website development easy to find and easy to get involved in. |
| 16:42.18 | luke-jr | gpsdriver really uses a minimal subset of GTK+ |
| 16:42.27 | luke-jr | LD_PRELOAD can handle that too! |
| 16:42.38 | luke-jr | any idea if I can supress error loading the usual GTK+ libs? |
| 16:43.00 | lcuk | use a different widget toolkit ;) |
| 16:43.17 | luke-jr | eh? |
| 16:43.26 | luke-jr | the problem is when ld.so can't find libgconf or whatever |
| 16:43.28 | luke-jr | it will error |
| 16:43.32 | lcuk | i dont get gtk+ errors lol |
| 16:43.34 | luke-jr | how do I prevent that? |
| 16:43.38 | luke-jr | lcuk: I don't want to install GTK+ |
| 16:43.49 | lcuk | then dont reference or use it |
| 16:44.05 | lcuk | i dont want to lose the end of my finger |
| 16:44.09 | luke-jr | lcuk: then get Nokia to release the code ;) |
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| 16:45.17 | lcuk | wonders if he is a god |
| 16:45.18 | lbt | lcuk: hi :) |
| 16:45.21 | lbt | of course |
| 16:46.15 | lbt | luke-jr: Qt is calling you |
| 16:46.23 | luke-jr | lbt: what are you talking about? |
| 16:46.35 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/fingerfriendly.jpg only 9 digits left now... |
| 16:46.36 | luke-jr | lbt: all I want is to use my GPS without GTK+ |
| 16:46.55 | lbt | so use it with QMapper |
| 16:47.00 | luke-jr | ⦠|
| 16:47.05 | luke-jr | lbt: 'gpsdriver' depends on GTK+ |
| 16:47.13 | lbt | ugh |
| 16:47.16 | RST38h | lcuk: tablet ate the tenth? |
| 16:47.24 | lcuk | so you need gtk+ |
| 16:47.35 | luke-jr | I can provide the functions it uses myself via LD_PRELOAD |
| 16:47.56 | luke-jr | but how can I prevent ld.so from erroring when the "real" lib is missing? |
| 16:48.06 | lcuk | RST38h, no an incident with blood splatter, concerned faces, hospitals and stuff |
| 16:48.43 | Stskeeps | nokia tracked you down? |
| 16:48.44 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:49.05 | RST38h | lcuk: freaking shit.. |
| 16:49.28 | lcuk | lol sts |
| 16:50.23 | Corsac | hmhm, in mer my top âpanelâ has plugins in inverted order (systray, brightness, load, some space, panel properties, mer menu), how can i move them back to original order? :/ |
| 16:50.47 | lcuk | turn your device around |
| 16:51.13 | Stskeeps | Corsac: wait for me to figure out why xrandr crashes hildon desktop, heh |
| 16:51.39 | lcuk | mmm theres a dog barking in the hotel |
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| 16:54.25 | Corsac | Stskeeps: is it related to xrandr? :) |
| 16:54.56 | lcuk | ok guys, im vanishing again back later |
| 16:55.05 | Stskeeps | Corsac: probably |
| 16:55.24 | lbt | bye lcuk |
| 16:56.38 | lbt | yep, SR is right. All armels build fine but fail in the last packaging step :( |
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| 19:11.26 | keesj | after that I run the maemo-sdk-install_5.0alpha.sh and it end with something like this "Processing was halted because there were too many errors." http://www.paste-it.net/public/oc0583c/ |
| 19:12.12 | keesj | the first "meainfull" error is /scratchbox/tools/bin/sh: line 1: /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure: No such file or directory |
| 19:12.21 | keesj | any hints? |
| 19:12.54 | lbt | luke-jr: are you luca ? |
| 19:13.43 | keesj | on http://box.mmapps.net/install_log.txt you can read the install log |
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| 19:27.25 | bacon | is not microwave safe |
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| 19:29.42 | lbt | hi lcuk |
| 19:30.00 | bacon | hi lbt |
| 19:30.23 | lcuk | how do i stop it coming up with the comment |
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| 19:30.57 | lbt | no clue :) I'm an irc newbie |
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| 19:31.50 | lcuk | just exits the whole damn thing |
| 19:32.06 | lbt | what comment do you mean? |
| 19:32.46 | lcuk | when something thats been tagged is mentioned an iv got this minimised it still comes up on screen drives me up the wall |
| 19:34.16 | GeneralAntilles | Turn off notifications? |
| 19:34.18 | GeneralAntilles | What client? |
| 19:34.20 | lbt | depends on the client |
| 19:34.25 | qwerty12_N800 | Oh, if this was linux, I'd have suggested the libnotify stuff |
| 19:34.36 | GeneralAntilles | Most people like notifications |
| 19:35.15 | RST38h | conjures the spirit of microVAX |
| 19:35.52 | lcuk | meh this is mrs lcuk..... is all geek to me but cant turn stuff off he'd kill me |
| 19:36.09 | bacon | lol tracy |
| 19:36.17 | RST38h | BISL2! BICW3! ASHQ! XORL! |
| 19:36.22 | bacon | right click on each chan tag |
| 19:36.30 | lcuk | huh speak english |
| 19:36.39 | bacon | hold on ill vnc |
| 19:36.42 | lcuk | ta |
| 19:36.56 | RST38h | lcuk: well, that was the incantation in the old DEC manual, badly burned, with brown stains |
| 19:37.10 | bacon | didnt know u were there babe |
| 19:37.20 | lcuk | yeah am just playing games for a few mins |
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| 19:37.41 | Masca | I'm having problems with internal memory card. I guess it got corrupted. It's safe to fdisk it from my pc using usb? |
| 19:37.45 | bacon | just close stuff cos the hotel is runnin like dialup |
| 19:37.55 | RST38h | Masca: Wait. |
| 19:38.01 | RST38h | It is a known problem. |
| 19:38.25 | Masca | RST38h: Nice. It's freaking me out. |
| 19:39.00 | RST38h | Masca: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18043 |
| 19:39.23 | RST38h | Now, THAT will probably complete the process of freaking you out, but anyways... |
| 19:39.50 | Masca | reads |
| 19:39.54 | mgedmin | Masca: it's safe, assuming you don't mind losing data on it |
| 19:40.03 | mgedmin | make a backup if you're able and if you care |
| 19:40.15 | mgedmin | mucking with the internal memory card doesn't touch the root filesystem |
| 19:40.23 | mgedmin | in case you were wondering about that |
| 19:42.22 | Masca | mgedmin: I don't mind loosing any data in there. And actually I don't care if I mess the root filesistem I guess can reflash. Everything is better than not being able to do anything. |
| 19:43.51 | mgedmin | by the way, the file manager can reformat the internal flash card for you |
| 19:44.07 | mgedmin | I don't think it can fix the incorrect factory partitioning, though |
| 19:44.12 | lcuk | i go through the hassle of connecting and coming in to fix it only to see a message "back laterr, casualty is on" |
| 19:44.17 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.48 | lcuk | \o hiya marius |
| 19:46.08 | Masca | mgedmin: It can't, filemanager says someone is using the partition. lsof show some files open but I don't know "who" opened it. |
| 19:46.32 | lcuk | oes again |
| 19:46.40 | lcuk | g |
| 19:47.33 | mgedmin | hello, lcuk |
| 19:48.13 | mgedmin | Masca: it's likely that you won't be able to connect via usb either, if that's the case |
| 19:48.17 | mgedmin | do you have virtual memory enabled? |
| 19:48.21 | mgedmin | it uses the internal partition |
| 19:48.50 | Masca | mgedmin: I don't have it enabled. |
| 19:49.15 | mgedmin | hm |
| 19:50.18 | Masca | the open files are two songs. I don't know why they are open. |
| 19:50.47 | qwerty12_N800 | metalayer-crawler? |
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| 19:55.43 | Mikho_ | what on earth, my automake seems to generate bourne shell scripts, not executables |
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| 19:56.09 | mgedmin | you're using libtool, right? |
| 19:56.40 | Mikho_ | the executable i'm trying to build uses libtool libraries, yes |
| 19:56.48 | mgedmin | don't worry, if you run 'make install', the executables will be installed, not the shell scripts |
| 19:57.01 | mgedmin | the scripts are there just so you could run the app without installing it, and get it to access the right libraries |
| 19:57.18 | Mikho_ | ok |
| 19:57.24 | Mikho_ | good |
| 19:58.55 | fireun | http://i.gizmodo.com/5220569/viliv-s5-lightning-review-netbook-meet-mid |
| 19:58.57 | fireun | not bad |
| 20:05.40 | GeneralAntilles | fireun, Atom, who cares? |
| 20:06.11 | GeneralAntilles | Note exactly pocketable size, either. |
| 20:06.48 | fireun | I dont carry my 770 around in my pocket either |
| 20:07.17 | GeneralAntilles | I can't believe they shipped it with XP. |
| 20:07.20 | fireun | although I could, and might have once or twice |
| 20:07.35 | fireun | yeah, xp = crap |
| 20:07.43 | Masca | qwerty12_N800: it's metalayer , what is it? It's safe to kill it? |
| 20:08.46 | qwerty12_N800 | Masca: indexes audio & video for the default media player's library. can be safely killed |
| 20:09.37 | GeneralAntilles | Ari's been oddly quiet lately. |
| 20:11.20 | RST38h | Probably got tired of blogging |
| 20:11.22 | Masca | it freaking respawn. =( |
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| 20:13.48 | RST38h | Should metalayer respawn? Weird |
| 20:13.54 | qwerty12_N800 | /etc/init.d/metalayer-crawler0 stop then |
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| 20:17.06 | RST38h | Swine flu has pandemic potential! |
| 20:17.21 | RST38h | (no wonder, given sheer numbers of swine worldwide...) |
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| 20:22.57 | Masca | let me try. |
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| 20:38.25 | Masca | RST38h: qwerty12_N800 thanks I hope this all work fine now. |
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| 21:07.13 | thopiekar | hi |
| 21:07.32 | thopiekar | when will be talk.maemo.org be ready? |
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| 21:18.11 | GeneralAntilles | thopiekar, Reggie is supposed to have the templates done on Sunday. |
| 21:19.01 | thopiekar | tomorrow? |
| 21:20.04 | GeneralAntilles | Supposed to. |
| 21:20.10 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno when the site will launch after that. |
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| 22:03.04 | ShadowJK | luke-jr: Ah, another one who's found the fun in LD_PRELOAD :) |
| 22:04.23 | luke-jr | lbt: no |
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| 22:07.38 | ShadowJK | luke, can you make your own gtk.so, put in a dir somewhere not in usual library search path, and load gpsdriver with LD_LIBRARY_PATH (iirc) set? |
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| 22:13.05 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: no need anymore |
| 22:14.46 | ShadowJK | hm? |
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| 22:17.59 | lbt | luke-jr: OK :) |
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| 23:19.52 | luke-jr | yay, think GPS is working in Gentoo now, even if far from ideal |
| 23:20.02 | luke-jr | (first fix is always from scratch) |
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