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| 00:45.34 | luke-jr | KDE 4.2 is not very snappy when I am compiling in background :< |
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| 01:16.06 | lopz | good n. |
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| 01:51.46 | z4chh | this is awesome price |
| 01:51.47 | z4chh | http://www.buy.com/prod/nokia-n810-internet-tablet-full-pull-out-qwerty-keyboard-810/q/loc/101/206228943.html |
| 01:52.04 | zakkm | ripoff :D |
| 01:52.11 | z4chh | zakkm, ? |
| 01:52.14 | luke-jr | zakkm: sarcasm |
| 01:52.19 | zakkm | its cause the next one is coming out |
| 01:52.29 | z4chh | i don't care |
| 01:53.05 | luke-jr | zakkm: ripoff cuz the next one is coming out? |
| 01:53.28 | zakkm | thats a ripoff? |
| 01:53.37 | luke-jr | I got mine for under $200 |
| 01:53.38 | z4chh | zakkm, do you have an n810? |
| 01:53.45 | z4chh | luke-jr, used? |
| 01:53.50 | luke-jr | yep |
| 01:54.00 | zakkm | have n800, paid $117 usd in person |
| 01:54.17 | z4chh | i have an n800 also |
| 01:55.31 | z4chh | im doing development this summer though..i can use both models |
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| 02:55.24 | AndrewFBlack | Hello |
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| 03:03.58 | fuzzy | Can maemo support block disk encryption? |
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| 06:32.32 | kozak | Hi am trying to install maemo on Core2Dou with Ubuntu 8.10 but have a problem installing scratchbox. Can someone tell me if there is a work around? |
| 06:33.06 | johnx | only if you can say what the error is :) |
| 06:33.22 | kozak | sure |
| 06:33.49 | kozak | This is what it says ! "Currently Scratcbox can only run in 32 bit i386 architecture." |
| 06:34.10 | johnx | ah, you're running ubuntu x86_64? |
| 06:34.17 | kozak | yeah |
| 06:34.51 | johnx | I thought someone had notes on how to force it to install, but I'm not sure where they are |
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| 06:35.19 | kozak | yeah I do see in the .sh that there is a -F option |
| 06:35.25 | kozak | will try that |
| 06:35.46 | kozak | Ok -F works ... I guess |
| 06:36.03 | kozak | it has started downloading.... |
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| 06:36.14 | inz | There are also scratchbox x86_64 debs |
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| 06:38.34 | inz | at http://www.ipi.fi/~pablo/ |
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| 07:40.57 | Macer | hello |
| 07:41.04 | Macer | Stskeeps: get it? |
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| 07:51.47 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 08:10.03 | Macer | damn |
| 08:10.10 | Macer | 239 for an n810 from tigerdirect new |
| 08:10.16 | Macer | that's not bad at all |
| 08:17.33 | RST38h | It is coming closer to the next tablet release... |
| 08:23.37 | `0660 | i guess everyone is now waiting for the next tablet release |
| 08:23.37 | RST38h | Most "normal" consumer just bought themselves EEEs I suppose |
| 08:23.37 | RST38h | s/consumer/consumers |
| 08:23.37 | `0660 | true |
| 08:23.37 | `0660 | they don't know what they miss :) |
| 08:23.37 | RST38h | They are missing Modest and MicroB, for sure... |
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| 08:27.28 | RST38h | moo wazd |
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| 08:41.58 | RST38h | ...any attempted access to addresses on this list is blocked, logged (the draft seems to contradict press reports on this point) and redirected to a government page featuring a large stop sign... |
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| 09:05.18 | thux | morning |
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| 09:13.29 | Guest5437_331 | dpkg-buildpackage: failure: fakeroot debian/rules clean gave error exit status 126 |
| 09:13.51 | Guest5437_331 | any clue? |
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| 09:22.41 | RST38h | Guest: What is debian/rules? |
| 09:23.15 | RST38h | Is it an executable file? |
| 09:24.41 | Guest5437_331 | yes is a script for make a deb |
| 09:24.44 | Guest5437_331 | #!/usr/bin/make -f |
| 09:25.16 | RST38h | umgh |
| 09:25.39 | RST38h | And why are you running make with root privileges? |
| 09:26.03 | Guest5437_331 | is not good? |
| 09:26.08 | RST38h | Oh dpkg-buildpackage does it... |
| 09:26.46 | RST38h | well, either way, you should open debian/rules in an editor, find the label "clean:" and look for errors there. |
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| 09:27.44 | Guest5437_331 | clean: dh_testdir dh_testroot rm -f build-stamp rm -f install-stamp rm -f debian/files |
| 09:27.59 | Guest5437_331 | ? |
| 09:28.09 | RST38h | No, no, I am not going to look for errors, you look for errors, ok? |
| 09:28.21 | Guest5437_331 | ok |
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| 10:23.26 | GeneralAntilles | dneary, ping? |
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| 10:35.21 | lardman | morning chaps |
| 10:35.34 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: looks like you scared him off |
| 10:35.47 | GeneralAntilles | I was going to talk to tekojo, too. |
| 10:35.49 | GeneralAntilles | :P |
| 10:36.21 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe X-Fade is awake? |
| 10:36.28 | X-Fade | Lunch |
| 10:36.33 | X-Fade | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:36.37 | GeneralAntilles | Lunch?! |
| 10:36.55 | GeneralAntilles | You don't get to eat. I still have things to complain about! |
| 10:37.01 | GeneralAntilles | Enjoy your lunch. :) |
| 10:37.20 | lardman | yeah, with the thought that Ryan is going to give you an earful when you've finished! ;) |
| 10:37.33 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: There is always the backscroll ;) |
| 10:38.14 | GeneralAntilles | I'll just talk to lardman since everybody else here sucks. |
| 10:38.19 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, how's life? |
| 10:38.26 | lardman | very very busy, you? |
| 10:38.43 | GeneralAntilles | At the moment, but finals will be done soon. |
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| 10:39.42 | lardman | I've got a review meeting next week, then wedding a month later, so still very busy |
| 10:42.12 | lardman | stag do this weekend, not ideal timing |
| 10:42.29 | lardman | no-one to blame but myself though :) |
| 10:43.01 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 10:43.34 | lardman | Are your finals the real deal, end of course? |
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| 10:43.57 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, for this semester. |
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| 10:44.28 | lardman | how much longer do you have then? What year are you in? |
| 10:44.49 | GeneralAntilles | Junior year |
| 10:44.54 | GeneralAntilles | probably another year and a half |
| 10:45.14 | lardman | hmm, /me doesn't know American terminology, sophomores and things |
| 10:45.23 | lardman | sounds like a jellyfish ;) |
| 10:45.30 | GeneralAntilles | 3rd year. |
| 10:45.52 | lardman | What do you get, a Master's? |
| 10:46.01 | GeneralAntilles | Bachelors |
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| 10:46.07 | lardman | ok |
| 10:46.54 | GeneralAntilles | A councilor screwed me over by telling me to take an incorrect math class early on |
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| 10:47.15 | GeneralAntilles | then I screwed myself over by missing a final exam (Tuesday/Thursday thing) so I'm a little behind. ;) |
| 10:47.54 | lardman | Ok, so you've repeated a year? Or is the system different over there, you have to do a certain number of courses over however long? |
| 10:48.46 | GeneralAntilles | No, you have a certain number of credits you need to get to and a certain set of courses you need to complete and you just keep taking courses until you get there. |
| 10:49.09 | lardman | ah ok, that's quite a good system |
| 10:49.10 | GeneralAntilles | But as the rest of the CompSci track is highly math-dependent it set me back a bit. |
| 10:49.29 | GeneralAntilles | Nice and fairly flexible. |
| 10:49.52 | GeneralAntilles | Although it does give you a bit of rope to hang yourself with if you go too far off in left field in what you're taking. |
| 10:50.13 | lardman | part of the learning experience hey? ;) |
| 10:50.44 | GeneralAntilles | Most definitely. |
| 10:50.53 | GeneralAntilles | sighs. |
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| 10:51.06 | GeneralAntilles | A 1.8GHz G5 just doesn't cut it these days. |
| 10:51.47 | lardman | 8-core? |
| 10:51.58 | GeneralAntilles | Single CPU |
| 10:52.02 | GeneralAntilles | I wish I had an 8-core. |
| 10:52.15 | lardman | how many cores in your single cpu though? |
| 10:52.20 | GeneralAntilles | Although I may get lucky when I take my 2x2.5GHz into the shop. |
| 10:53.00 | lardman | needs a new work PC, his P4 3GHz singlehandedly heats the office running all the time |
| 10:53.15 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 10:53.22 | GeneralAntilles | That's a nice feature during the winter. |
| 10:53.43 | lardman | no way, I live in a glass room with no heating control, it's always too hot |
| 10:53.54 | lardman | in fact we often run the aircon during the winter to bring the temp down |
| 10:53.58 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
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| 10:58.44 | GeneralAntilles | An Android netbook sounds like the silliest thing ever. |
| 10:59.14 | glass | is g1 still the only android thing really out? |
| 10:59.36 | GeneralAntilles | I guess there's the G2 just out. |
| 10:59.53 | glass | oh, it's hit the streets? |
| 10:59.59 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno |
| 11:00.08 | GeneralAntilles | I think so, but I haven't been paying very close attention. |
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| 11:18.53 | Woolly-work | morning, has anyone compiled opencv for maemo with python support? |
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| 11:26.13 | GeneralAntilles | bergie, ping? |
| 11:26.21 | bergie | pong |
| 11:26.50 | GeneralAntilles | bergie, do you happen to have a bug open for the Midgard toolbar not expanding when the font size increases? |
| 11:27.07 | bergie | I don't, but please post |
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| 11:27.42 | GeneralAntilles | bergie, can I post a new ticket on trac.midgard-project.org? |
| 11:28.11 | bergie | yes, please do |
| 11:28.21 | bergie | these are best handled in the upstream tracker :-) |
| 11:28.40 | GeneralAntilles | bergie, OK, wrong question, how do I register for an account to do that? :P |
| 11:29.05 | bergie | GeneralAntilles: http://www.midgard-project.org/community/account/register/midgard_users/ |
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| 11:29.19 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, OK. |
| 11:29.48 | GeneralAntilles | bergie, you are also aware that dragging is broken on it, right? |
| 11:29.58 | bergie | in Safari, right? |
| 11:30.08 | GeneralAntilles | WebKit, yes. |
| 11:31.02 | bergie | yep, that is a known issue |
| 11:31.36 | GeneralAntilles | OK, it's just sort of floating uselessly right in the middle of things I'm trying to look at, so. ;) |
| 11:32.06 | RST38h | Can this bug be restated as "get rid of the floating toolbar"? =) |
| 11:32.26 | GeneralAntilles | bergie, it also selects text as I drag it in FF 3 |
| 11:32.30 | RST38h | Maybe replace it with a thin menu bar at the top of the page? |
| 11:32.56 | GeneralAntilles | I'd go for that, but that's a lot of functionality to stuff into a menu bar. |
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| 11:32.58 | bergie | RST38h: there is a thin menu bar option, actually |
| 11:33.12 | bergie | RST38h: we could try and see how that'd look on maemo.org |
| 11:33.17 | RST38h | bergie: Any way to enable it? The floating thing bugs me, literally |
| 11:33.32 | bergie | RST38h: at the moment this is a site-wide thing, "palette" or "menu" |
| 11:35.30 | GeneralAntilles | bergie, doest trac take time to sync accounts or something? |
| 11:36.35 | GeneralAntilles | s/doest/does/ |
| 11:36.43 | bergie | yeah, I think there is some 15min delay |
| 11:36.53 | bergie | it is quite similar setup to the current garage -> maemo.org sync |
| 11:37.01 | GeneralAntilles | OK |
| 11:37.03 | bergie | ...which we can hopefully replace with LDAP over summer :-) |
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| 11:38.28 | RST38h | bergie: but if I understand things correctly, the top-of-the-page menu can also be a site wide thing? |
| 11:39.11 | bergie | yes |
| 11:39.23 | bergie | we could test it on internal and then decide which way we want to use it |
| 11:39.30 | bergie | *or* make it user-configurable |
| 11:39.53 | GeneralAntilles | user-configurable would be good |
| 11:39.58 | GeneralAntilles | Do you have a screenshot, though? |
| 11:41.48 | bergie | GeneralAntilles: not ATM but I can take one on internal when I get to the office |
| 11:42.12 | GeneralAntilles | bergie, that'd be excellent. Hard to make a decision when you don't know what one of your options looks like. ;) |
| 11:43.40 | bergie | ok, if I don't send a screenshot in about one hour, remind me :-) |
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| 11:53.25 | GeneralAntilles | Occasionally getting "Fatal error: Call to a member function get_array() on a non-object in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/helper/_styleloader.php(637) : eval()'d code on line 4" when I tried to edit pages. |
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| 11:55.47 | Macer | i hate wmv |
| 11:56.01 | Woolly-work | has anyone managed to compile opencv in scratchbox? |
| 11:56.05 | Macer | hm. is the new maemo up and running? :) |
| 11:56.13 | Macer | heh |
| 11:56.19 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 11:56.43 | GeneralAntilles | Hmm, we're getting some badly styled links here and there. . . . |
| 11:56.47 | GeneralAntilles | Hirvinen, ping? |
| 11:57.11 | Macer | er |
| 11:57.17 | Macer | what's so "new" about it? |
| 11:57.33 | GeneralAntilles | Er, you didn't capitalize the m, so I assumed maemo.org. ;) |
| 11:57.37 | Jaffa | The total different style? |
| 11:57.40 | GeneralAntilles | No, nothing new with Maemo 5. |
| 11:58.04 | Macer | that is what i am talking abou tit |
| 11:58.07 | Macer | about |
| 11:58.11 | GeneralAntilles | Ah |
| 11:58.12 | Macer | it doesn't look very "new" |
| 11:58.13 | Macer | heh |
| 11:58.16 | GeneralAntilles | Well, as Jaffa says, the new style. |
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| 11:58.20 | Macer | it's orange |
| 11:58.22 | Macer | :) |
| 11:58.52 | GeneralAntilles | OK, here's a game for everybody. Tell me how many links are in the two paragraphs on this page: http://maemo.org/community/irc/ |
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| 11:59.56 | Macer | 8 in wiki |
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| 12:00.11 | Macer | 8 in talk |
| 12:00.17 | GeneralAntilles | Macer, the RSS feeds are not paragraphs. :P |
| 12:01.18 | Macer | 3\ |
| 12:01.21 | Macer | in the 2 paragraphs |
| 12:01.29 | Macer | but you can't see them until you move your mouse over it |
| 12:01.35 | GeneralAntilles | 4, actually. |
| 12:01.37 | GeneralAntilles | But, yes. |
| 12:01.46 | Macer | oh.. yeah.. there are 4 :) |
| 12:02.03 | GeneralAntilles | Not sure why they're styled differently from the rest of the links on the site. |
| 12:02.15 | GeneralAntilles | Another one, guess which <h3> you can click! http://maemo.org/support/ |
| 12:02.58 | Macer | heh.. sorry. going to eat ;) |
| 12:03.04 | Macer | i just got home |
| 12:03.19 | GeneralAntilles | pokes X-Fade. |
| 12:03.35 | X-Fade | Don't look at me. |
| 12:04.06 | GeneralAntilles | covers his eyes and waves a stick around in the air in X-Fade's general direction. |
| 12:04.20 | Macer | i want to see how well this pch can play a damn wmv |
| 12:04.22 | Macer | i hope it doesn't suck |
| 12:04.32 | Macer | i hate people that use wmv to encode.. i wish they would all just die |
| 12:04.40 | GeneralAntilles | Amen |
| 12:04.46 | GeneralAntilles | Worse is Real Video, though. |
| 12:04.47 | X-Fade | promised to work on wiki styling today. |
| 12:04.56 | X-Fade | So that is what I'm doing. |
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| 12:05.07 | GeneralAntilles | Or that one codec that's competing with h.264, but is Windows-only. |
| 12:05.16 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, blah blah blah |
| 12:05.26 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, is Hirvinen the one I can poke then? :P |
| 12:05.43 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Why would you poke him? |
| 12:05.53 | GeneralAntilles | Who's working on general website bugs today? |
| 12:06.03 | Macer | hm |
| 12:06.03 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Bugzilla. |
| 12:06.08 | Macer | hard encoded subs too.. ugh |
| 12:06.08 | GeneralAntilles | bleh |
| 12:06.12 | GeneralAntilles | pouts and files some more. |
| 12:06.19 | Macer | looks like i'll be deleting 3 episodes of this eleventh hour crap |
| 12:06.19 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: But the links issue is in there already. |
| 12:06.25 | GeneralAntilles | Macer, I'm usually OK with those as long as it's not in English. |
| 12:06.36 | Macer | haha |
| 12:06.49 | Macer | draws your eyes to it and forces you to read it when it's english right? :) |
| 12:06.55 | Macer | i have that same problem |
| 12:06.58 | GeneralAntilles | Having an English movie with hardcodded English subs is infuriating though |
| 12:07.03 | Jaffa | I'd rather stuff used RealVideo than anything else - then I can watch it on my tablet |
| 12:07.09 | Macer | hahaha |
| 12:07.15 | Macer | it's like closed caption television :) |
| 12:07.21 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I can watch DivX on my table. |
| 12:07.26 | GeneralAntilles | s/table/tablet/ |
| 12:07.37 | GeneralAntilles | only wishes he had one of those awesome multitouch tables. |
| 12:07.43 | Macer | higher res video on the tablet sucks |
| 12:08.02 | Macer | even stuff that is normal standard def |
| 12:08.23 | GeneralAntilles | I usually prefer hardcoded subs when I'm going to need them since the subtitle renders in all of the video playback software I use absolutely suck ass. |
| 12:08.24 | Macer | i always wound up encoding it as mp4 with an ipod profile to get them to play correctly without stuttering at all |
| 12:08.47 | Macer | haha |
| 12:08.51 | GeneralAntilles | I don't get why it's impossible to render subtitles at native resolution instead of video resolution. |
| 12:08.59 | GeneralAntilles | Apple's DVD player can do it. |
| 12:09.08 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Not many websites put streaming DivX up |
| 12:09.09 | Macer | because it is a cruel cruel world :) |
| 12:09.20 | Macer | yeah. most use flash |
| 12:09.20 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, who's talking about streaming? |
| 12:09.25 | Macer | :) |
| 12:09.28 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: You know how DVD subtitles work? |
| 12:09.46 | Macer | GeneralAntilles: some players just suck |
| 12:09.57 | Macer | pch works really well for subs with mkv |
| 12:09.59 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, magic? |
| 12:10.14 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: 1-bit bitmaps :) |
| 12:10.16 | Macer | they don't look bad at all. i think the pch itself handles the rendering .. who knows :) |
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| 12:10.21 | Macer | ah well.. bbl |
| 12:10.35 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, yeah, but what about .srt and VLC? |
| 12:10.54 | GeneralAntilles | That should just be able to use nice text rendering, but that seems like it's impossible. |
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| 12:17.26 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody else having trouble with comments? |
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| 12:31.07 | Khertan | Hello ! |
| 12:31.11 | GeneralAntilles | Is anybody working on the bugzilla templates yet? |
| 12:31.37 | GeneralAntilles | 'morning, Khertan. |
| 12:35.23 | Khertan | 'morning GeneralAntilles |
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| 12:41.53 | lardman | ~lart Windows for being really crap when not rebooted |
| 12:41.53 | infobot | plops Windows into a giant vat of herring for being really crap when not rebooted |
| 12:42.24 | Khertan | ~lart lardman for using windows |
| 12:42.24 | infobot | eats lardman and falls over dead for using windows |
| 12:42.46 | lardman | ~lart lardman's work for only having Windows based software |
| 12:42.46 | infobot | judo chops lardman's work for only having Windows based software |
| 12:44.03 | lardman | bbiab |
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| 13:07.01 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, not me |
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| 13:38.46 | Woolly-work | has anyone compiled opencv for maemo? |
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| 13:54.22 | man_in_ltop | waves |
| 13:55.44 | man_in_ltop | so i got myself a nokia n810 :) |
| 13:55.53 | man_in_ltop | just downloading diablo for it |
| 13:57.12 | mgedmin | doesn't it come with diablo? |
| 13:57.32 | mgedmin | maybe not with the latest latest version |
| 13:57.50 | man_in_ltop | apparently not |
| 13:57.54 | GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, no. |
| 13:57.58 | GeneralAntilles | Chinook. |
| 13:58.08 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia's been a little laggard in updating the manufactured units. |
| 13:58.15 | man_in_ltop | yeah, 2.2 or something |
| 13:58.25 | mgedmin | wait... chinook is os2007, diablo is os2008, right? |
| 13:58.34 | mgedmin | wasn't os2008 released at the same time as n810? |
| 13:58.35 | man_in_ltop | yeah |
| 13:58.41 | man_in_ltop | looks like it |
| 13:58.46 | GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, Bora, Chinook, Diablo. |
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| 13:59.34 | man_in_ltop | either way, this thing doesn't have diablo :D |
| 13:59.38 | mgedmin | no longer knows which is which |
| 14:00.01 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames |
| 14:00.04 | GeneralAntilles | Bora was OS2007 |
| 14:00.15 | GeneralAntilles | Chinook was OS2008.0, Diablo was OS2008.1 |
| 14:00.17 | parazitus | man_in_ltop: just out of curiosity, how much it costed? |
| 14:00.18 | man_in_ltop | so, i don't suppose anyone knows a way to get WPA-EAP-TTLS/PAP support? :) |
| 14:00.30 | man_in_ltop | au$545 |
| 14:00.44 | GeneralAntilles | Yeesh |
| 14:00.58 | parazitus | wow, too much.. |
| 14:01.12 | man_in_ltop | heh |
| 14:01.13 | locutus | i paid 0 EUR for mine :) |
| 14:01.31 | man_in_ltop | too much for something that doesn't have the EAP inner auth i need :( |
| 14:02.01 | Khertan | man_in_ltop: lol |
| 14:02.11 | mgedmin | ouch |
| 14:02.15 | man_in_ltop | i'm not kidding |
| 14:02.29 | Khertan | but you are making me laught ... |
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| 14:02.42 | man_in_ltop | i got it so i could check my email/discussion boards at uni without lugging around a 2.5 kg laptop ;) |
| 14:02.44 | mgedmin | what's this EAP thingy used for? ultra-secure corporate/university networks? |
| 14:02.49 | mgedmin | university, knew it |
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| 14:02.55 | Woolly-work | In my scratchbox installation, if I upgrade automake, why doesn't it replace the /scratchbox/tools/bin/automake binary with the version that i've just installed? |
| 14:03.12 | man_in_ltop | and uni has like the ONE eap inner auth that's not supported |
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| 14:03.15 | mgedmin | Woolly-work: that's just how scratchbox works |
| 14:03.16 | man_in_ltop | mgedmin, yeah |
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| 14:03.23 | Woolly-work | mgedmin: damn :( |
| 14:04.03 | Woolly-work | I'm trying to run autoconf, but it's saying my version is 1.8.5, not 1.9, but 1.9 is installed as automake-1.9 |
| 14:04.09 | mgedmin | it seems like a rather common complaint |
| 14:04.09 | mgedmin | but I don't remember anyone saying they found a solution |
| 14:04.23 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody put together a plugin, I think. |
| 14:04.36 | GeneralAntilles | But I don't pay any attention when silly WiFi auth discussions come up. |
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| 14:06.17 | Woolly-work | ls |
| 14:06.21 | Woolly-work | woops :D |
| 14:07.04 | Khertan | commands woops :D not found |
| 14:07.11 | Woolly-work | damn :( |
| 14:07.21 | mgedmin | Khertan: that was the output of ls, not another command |
| 14:07.21 | Khertan | command damn :( not found |
| 14:07.41 | man_in_ltop | you're not doing it right |
| 14:07.51 | Khertan | mgedmin: man page not found |
| 14:07.53 | man_in_ltop | space delimits arguments |
| 14:09.32 | Khertan | [<c0102fa1>] process_timeout+0x0/0x9 |
| 14:09.58 | Khertan | Kernel panic - not syncing: Brain with Memory, killing interrupt handler |
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| 14:12.00 | GeneralAntilles | murrayc, I take it you made that mistake? :P |
| 14:12.35 | murrayc | GeneralAntilles: What mistake? |
| 14:12.51 | GeneralAntilles | murrayc, of thinking the final countdown was for the beta SDK. ;) |
| 14:13.03 | murrayc | No, someone else did. I know better. |
| 14:13.21 | Khertan | yep ... i think too this was the final countdown to freemantle |
| 14:13.25 | Khertan | fremantle |
| 14:13.32 | GeneralAntilles | Anyway, it clearly says maemo.org, and talks about website-related things. |
| 14:13.33 | Khertan | or what is it s name :) |
| 14:13.37 | GeneralAntilles | Not sure how it could be more clear. |
| 14:14.00 | Khertan | GeneralAntilles: maybe but i got a excuse ... |
| 14:14.00 | murrayc | GeneralAntilles: "maemo.org website" is clearer but feel free to blame the readers instead. |
| 14:14.22 | GeneralAntilles | murrayc, done. :) |
| 14:14.41 | Khertan | seeing black text on black background didn't help ... |
| 14:15.08 | Khertan | with too much sun in the train trying to fix the blueman-manager error under mer :) |
| 14:15.20 | Khertan | :) |
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| 14:17.01 | GeneralAntilles | I really want the hearts/thumbs back. |
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| 14:17.11 | GeneralAntilles | It's much harder to talk about two thumbs. |
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| 14:18.27 | Khertan | hum ... |
| 14:18.29 | Khertan | not sure |
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| 14:30.05 | Woolly-work | has anyone compiled opencv for maemo successfully? |
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| 14:32.42 | Woolly-work | i installed python2.5-sdk in maemo and can't find it :( |
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| 14:38.21 | lopz | hola |
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| 14:44.00 | Woolly-work | has anyone managed to successfully compile opencv for maemo? |
| 14:44.51 | andre__ | what does "can't find it" exactly mean? |
| 14:44.52 | man_in_ltop | yay for jabber client with my new maemo-based toy :P |
| 14:45.32 | man_in_ltop | means he doesn't have a potion of see invisible :P |
| 14:45.40 | man_in_ltop | wait, this isn't #nethack ;) |
| 14:45.43 | Woolly-work | andre__: python2.5 wasn't in /usr/bin, fixed now with a re-install |
| 14:45.48 | Robot101 | so, like, why does the GSoC project to add IM to canola not use telepathy? :( |
| 14:46.14 | andre__ | Robot101, i also wondered about that |
| 14:46.25 | etrunko | Robot101: we were talking about it yesterday in #canola |
| 14:46.49 | etrunko | me and andrunko were trying to convince the guys to do so |
| 14:47.14 | etrunko | Robot101: you could help us there ;) |
| 14:47.24 | andre__ | what do they want to try? libpurple instead? |
| 14:47.39 | wjt | andre__: the carman people wrapped libpurple in python rather than using telepathy |
| 14:47.47 | andre__ | uhm |
| 14:47.54 | wjt | andre__: the canola SoC person wants to use pypurple or whatever |
| 14:48.19 | bergie | why not telepathy? |
| 14:48.27 | bergie | then it would use maemo's default IM connections automatically |
| 14:48.30 | etrunko | wjt: yeah, don't know why they didn't try telepathy |
| 14:48.33 | wazd_ | Wrong question |
| 14:48.41 | wazd_ | IM in Canola?) |
| 14:48.50 | wjt | wazd_: well that's a whole other thing |
| 14:48.50 | Robot101 | etrunko: why do you need more reason than "its the built in device IM stack"? :) |
| 14:49.01 | wjt | wazd_: "hey, i want IM and my todo list in a media player!!!" |
| 14:49.10 | Robot101 | wazd: I don't really opine on whether it's a good idea, but using libpurple is rarely a good idea :) |
| 14:49.11 | bergie | :-D |
| 14:49.17 | wazd | wjt: I want it to make coffee :D |
| 14:49.27 | andre__ | kitchen sinks. |
| 14:49.33 | Robot101 | it doesn't do what you expect, at all. but if you do want IM in your media player, it shouldn't sign on totally separately to the rest of your device |
| 14:49.35 | wjt | I *really* need to write Intravenous (again) so that we can honestly say Telepathy makes coffee |
| 14:49.39 | Robot101 | that's an absolute certainty |
| 14:49.43 | bergie | yeah, seems people want *both* canola and liqbase to do *everything* |
| 14:49.50 | Vudentz | Robot101, etrunko, it requires to much hack, especially to calls since there are other components which take over, so canola has to guess (register the dbus name before) what is happening. |
| 14:50.11 | wjt | erm... |
| 14:50.19 | Robot101 | it should just let you pop up quick notifications or have a little conversation within the player |
| 14:50.31 | Robot101 | Vudentz: yeah, because integrating libpurple will make calls work soooo much better... |
| 14:50.38 | etrunko | lol |
| 14:51.44 | Robot101 | honestly, why would you ever want to configure your IM accounts inside a media player? :) |
| 14:52.13 | X-Fade | Robot101: Because you can? :) |
| 14:52.16 | Robot101 | use them briefly, yes, or know when some events happen, but the device-wide accounts and connections are the only things worth interacting with |
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| 14:52.44 | Robot101 | like having some notifications when people sign on or message you, maybe a quick reply |
| 14:53.19 | Vudentz | Robot101, you mean use mission-control? |
| 14:53.31 | Robot101 | (I admit the architecture in Diablo isn't ideally suited to this, but the new MC spec and stuff in Fremantle makes life a lot better) |
| 14:53.54 | Robot101 | ((I still don't think it's going to be like totally insoluble in Diablo though, just maybe not quite so pretty)) |
| 14:54.11 | lfelipe | Robot101: IM inside canola can be used for lots of different things |
| 14:54.13 | lfelipe | not only chatting |
| 14:54.17 | Robot101 | for the new MC spec we've considered use-cases like notifying messages or accepting calls from within a full-screen media player |
| 14:54.19 | Vudentz | Robot101, yeah, I would say that the older versions it would be a lot of pain to deal with, especially the stream-engine |
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| 14:54.35 | lfelipe | trading media with other canola users on the same network (bonjour), etc. |
| 14:54.40 | etrunko | Robot101: any chance to see that working on diablo then? |
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| 14:54.51 | wjt | lfelipe: telepathy-salut does file transfers |
| 14:54.54 | wjt | lfelipe: and tubes |
| 14:55.02 | lfelipe | wjt: I know, I know |
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| 14:55.14 | lfelipe | the student and his mentor are already taking a look at telepathy |
| 14:55.16 | Robot101 | lfelipe: telepathy supports file transfers (bonjour and XMPP) and collaborative stuff... better than libpurple does, if you want to stream files around and stuff |
| 14:55.18 | etrunko | wjt: yeah, internet is a bunch of tubes after all :P |
| 14:55.19 | lfelipe | but no one mentioned it before |
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| 14:55.25 | wjt | lfelipe: *really*? |
| 14:55.38 | wjt | like, no-one thought to consider the target platform's IM stack? :) |
| 14:55.47 | Robot101 | etrunko: I think putting new MC on Diablo would mean the built-in stuff would all die |
| 14:56.03 | Robot101 | etrunko: but for Mer that's hardly a problem, you can drop Empathy on there |
| 14:56.15 | Robot101 | and then it will work in Mer and in Fremantle |
| 14:56.22 | Robot101 | and on the GNOME/KDE desktop |
| 14:56.25 | lfelipe | wjt: not in comments that I recall |
| 14:56.25 | X-Fade | Robot101: Well, we could put it in a community update for diablo. |
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| 14:56.26 | Robot101 | and generally in the flying car future |
| 14:56.41 | lfelipe | I honestly don't care which one it uses, as long as it gets done |
| 14:57.01 | Robot101 | X-Fade: you'd have to gut the Contacts TN plugin and Presence SB plugin I guess, and replace them with some open alternative |
| 14:57.07 | etrunko | lfelipe: indeed. the big thing is to define the scope of the project |
| 14:57.22 | lfelipe | I'm not that familiar with telepathy, so if I'd to decide on something I'd also choose libpurple |
| 14:57.23 | man_in_pda | so is there no solution or workaround to wpa-eap/pap? |
| 14:57.31 | lfelipe | it's been there for quite some time, stable, well know, etc. |
| 14:57.37 | Robot101 | X-Fade: in Diablo, the RTCom framework built on top of Telepathy isn't very loosely coupled, so if you start turning stuff off you pretty much lose it all |
| 14:57.37 | wjt | lfelipe: as someone familiar with both telepathy and libpurple... |
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| 14:57.49 | Robot101 | X-Fade: it's way better in Fremantle |
| 14:57.50 | wjt | lfelipe: the latter is worlds of pain compared to the former |
| 14:57.51 | lfelipe | but as I said, it's up to the student and the mentor to decide, and I'm sure that they will do a really nice job on it |
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| 14:58.00 | lfelipe | antognolli: *cough* *cough* |
| 14:58.01 | lfelipe | heeheh |
| 14:58.08 | Robot101 | X-Fade: given Telepathy actually came up with nice specs for separating those things nicely now |
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| 14:58.30 | Robot101 | (if I could step back in time and give myself a message 3 years ago, it would've been to write that first :D) |
| 14:58.54 | man_in_ltop | hmm |
| 14:59.00 | X-Fade | Robot101: Lol ;) |
| 14:59.13 | man_in_ltop | is there a timeframe on when freemantle will be released? |
| 14:59.27 | X-Fade | man_in_ltop: When it is ready? :) |
| 14:59.34 | man_in_ltop | well |
| 14:59.46 | man_in_ltop | i read that freemantle MIGHT have wpa-eap/pap support |
| 14:59.55 | man_in_ltop | which would be superawesomecool for me |
| 14:59.55 | X-Fade | man_in_ltop: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle |
| 15:00.02 | man_in_ltop | cos then i could use the damn thing at uni :D |
| 15:00.18 | antognolli | lfelipe, Robot101: yeah, we are already looking at them both |
| 15:00.44 | X-Fade | man_in_ltop: you can even now? |
| 15:01.21 | X-Fade | man_in_ltop: http://www.valeriovalerio.org/?p=182 |
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| 15:02.14 | man_in_ltop | pfft |
| 15:02.32 | man_in_ltop | why does everyone keep assuming that MSChapV2 == PAP? |
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| 15:03.58 | Woolly-work | I've installed the assorted libcv packages for opencv, but I cant figure out how to add in the Python wrappers |
| 15:04.06 | Woolly-work | any ideas? |
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| 15:05.20 | X-Fade | man_in_ltop: The open source driver should be able to support it in combination with wpa_supplicant? |
| 15:05.47 | luke-jr | I'm wondering why there's no combination wpa_supplicant + kismet ;) |
| 15:06.45 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, could we give the autobuilder a list of restricted packages? |
| 15:07.06 | zs | hi anyone knows what's the name of application which shows cpu usage, can make screenshot? |
| 15:07.37 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Buildme could probably check before submitting to the builders. (If we add that ;) |
| 15:07.53 | man_in_ltop | X-Fade, where to get? |
| 15:07.55 | qwerty12 | zs: load-applet |
| 15:09.18 | Robot101 | antognolli: we're happy to help advise on telepathy use if you need |
| 15:09.46 | zs | qwerty12, thanks |
| 15:09.51 | X-Fade | man_in_ltop: Search for cx3110x, that will probably give you enough info. |
| 15:10.56 | antognolli | Robot101: thanks, we'll ask for it if needed |
| 15:10.59 | man_in_ltop | um |
| 15:11.01 | man_in_ltop | hmm |
| 15:12.42 | man_in_ltop | you sure cx3110x is for nokia n810? |
| 15:13.24 | qwerty12 | man_in_ltop: if you run lsmod on your N810, you'll most likely find it loaded ;) |
| 15:13.36 | X-Fade | man_in_ltop: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/cx3110x-devel/2008-October/000056.html |
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| 15:13.44 | lardman | re |
| 15:15.30 | man_in_ltop | qwerty12, indeed |
| 15:16.43 | man_in_ltop | http://stlc45xx.garage.maemo.org/ << google shows me this though |
| 15:18.56 | qwerty12 | stlc45xx is its fully open source replacement, for newer kernels and it's gonna be used in the next device AFAIK. But it won't compile against 2.6.21 |
| 15:20.22 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, next device? |
| 15:20.30 | GeneralAntilles | The next device is a TI chipset. |
| 15:20.41 | man_in_ltop | does diablo update change the kernel? |
| 15:21.25 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles: Ah, then what is the point of Nokia developing the driver? (Sorry, but I really don't see it being done out of the goodness of their heart for N8x0...) |
| 15:21.43 | GeneralAntilles | Out of the goodness of their hearts for the N8x0. |
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| 15:22.32 | X-Fade | Development is here: http://gitorious.org/projects/stlc45xx |
| 15:22.48 | X-Fade | Although we might want to ask Kalle to move to git.maemo.org ;) |
| 15:22.57 | GeneralAntilles | WL1271 http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12762&contentId=29993 |
| 15:23.18 | qwerty12 | Let me know when they actually get a fully working kernel on the N8x0 first ;) |
| 15:23.22 | qwerty12 | +newer |
| 15:23.41 | qwerty12 | Well, I guess, at least N810 still has sound support |
| 15:26.50 | man_in_ltop | wants there to be an easy way to set all this up |
| 15:30.06 | lardman | has there been a Diablo update? |
| 15:30.17 | lardman | since the last one that is? |
| 15:30.18 | luke-jr | qwerty12: I don't have sound workign eet |
| 15:30.31 | qwerty12 | This in Maemo, or Gentoo? |
| 15:30.39 | luke-jr | Gentoo ☺ |
| 15:31.15 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, not yet. |
| 15:31.20 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, but read up on -developers |
| 15:31.57 | lardman | I read some talk about how to push one, was just wondering if there was a newer kernel scudding about |
| 15:32.22 | lardman | luke-jr: what kernel are you using? |
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| 15:35.02 | man_in_ltop | ok |
| 15:35.10 | man_in_ltop | so now i have wirelesstools installed |
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| 15:36.37 | GeneralAntilles | bergie, ping? |
| 15:38.14 | rm_you | X-Fade: maemo has a git repo? :P |
| 15:39.34 | rm_you | stlc45xx has ONE active developer AFAICT >_> |
| 15:39.40 | man_in_ltop | yay for openssh-client |
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| 15:42.56 | Woolly-work | is there a guide for building your own binary image? |
| 15:43.43 | Woolly-work | I'd like to create one with all the packages that I need for development already added, so I dont need to follow a long list of instructions! |
| 15:44.26 | rm_you | Woolly-work: just make a really nice install that has everything you want, but do it with RootOnSD, and then make an image of the SD card |
| 15:44.45 | rm_you | if something breaks or you want to distribute it, just image an SD card with it |
| 15:44.58 | rm_you | that's the easiest way AFAIK |
| 15:45.27 | rm_you | if you develop on the tablet, you really want RootOnSD anyway <_< |
| 15:45.38 | Woolly-work | rm_you: thanks :) why? |
| 15:45.55 | rm_you | 1) way more space |
| 15:46.27 | Woolly-work | how large a card do I need? as I have 5 tablets and might not be able to afford 5 huge ones :P |
| 15:46.35 | rm_you | 2) if you break something and brick your system, boot to the flash memory with a stock image installed, chroot into the SD card, and fix the problem, instead of having to reflash |
| 15:46.46 | rm_you | Woolly-work: probably a 4g card would do and those are CHEAP |
| 15:46.50 | rm_you | even 2g |
| 15:46.53 | Woolly-work | awesome :) |
| 15:46.54 | rm_you | hell even 1g |
| 15:46.55 | rm_you | but |
| 15:46.59 | rm_you | i'd recommend 2-4g |
| 15:47.04 | Woolly-work | so a 4G card would work? |
| 15:47.07 | rm_you | there's a nice wiki page on it |
| 15:47.14 | rm_you | 4g is PLEEEENTY |
| 15:47.26 | rm_you | for like, everything you could possibly want. plus some coding music. |
| 15:47.41 | Woolly-work | awesome, do you have a link to that wiki? |
| 15:47.44 | rm_you | sec |
| 15:47.46 | rm_you | ~rootonsd |
| 15:47.48 | qwerty12 | ~boot-sd |
| 15:47.49 | infobot | [boot-sd] https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card |
| 15:47.51 | rm_you | bah |
| 15:47.53 | rm_you | thanks qwerty12 :P |
| 15:47.59 | Woolly-work | thanks guys :) |
| 15:48.02 | qwerty12 | :P |
| 15:48.05 | lardman | lol, just don't try an on-device OE build of anything |
| 15:48.14 | rm_you | yeah it's a bit slow |
| 15:48.22 | lardman | I was thinking more about space |
| 15:48.27 | rm_you | i assume you're doing development of your own app, either python or C or something small? :P |
| 15:48.30 | qwerty12 | lardman: I'm compiling aptitude, watchdog has kicked in plenty... |
| 15:48.30 | rm_you | lol well yeah |
| 15:48.49 | Woolly-work | Python yup :) |
| 15:48.54 | rm_you | on a 4g card you could probably get away with compiling anything, honestly |
| 15:48.54 | luke-jr | lardman: Diablo's kernel |
| 15:48.58 | lardman | qwerty12: really, I'd have thought the watchdog kicker would be resident in memory or something |
| 15:49.11 | rm_you | disable watchdog >_> |
| 15:49.15 | lardman | luke-jr: ok, so not audio coded driver then |
| 15:49.19 | rm_you | at least while developing, IMO |
| 15:49.22 | lardman | s/coded/codec |
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| 15:50.03 | qwerty12 | rm_you: heh, opened the Makefile and added "--param ggc-min-expand=0 --param ggc-min-heapsize=16384" from a post fanoush wrote. It'll go a lot slower now, but at least I can still use the device :) |
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| 15:50.20 | rm_you | lardman: hows it going BTW? I kinda disappeared after the summit last fall and havent been on a whole lot since i reappeared in december... haven't been in the loop for a while :P |
| 15:50.32 | rm_you | qwerty12: heh |
| 15:50.45 | lardman | rm_you: I'm a bit out of the loop atm too, lots of day-job work + wedding coming up |
| 15:50.52 | rm_you | lardman: yours? :P |
| 15:50.55 | lardman | yep |
| 15:51.01 | rm_you | congratulations :) |
| 15:51.05 | lardman | thanks |
| 15:51.11 | lardman | :) |
| 15:51.23 | rm_you | I guess we understand each other then :) |
| 15:51.35 | lardman | yeah, frustrating isn't it! |
| 15:51.40 | rm_you | women tend to take away the time that used to be spent on maemo >_> |
| 15:51.47 | rm_you | worth it though, i suppose :P |
| 15:51.58 | lardman | lol, not so much that, more the stuff to be organised, etc., every evening |
| 15:52.05 | rm_you | ah, yeah |
| 15:52.14 | rm_you | well, there is the underlying cause :) |
| 15:52.24 | lardman | plus being too tired to code |
| 15:52.31 | rm_you | I feel you there >_> |
| 15:52.51 | lardman | speaking of tired, time to get brain food |
| 15:53.02 | rm_you | once this semester is over, not only will I not have a shitton of work to do, but my GF is going to be away for a while |
| 15:53.08 | rm_you | so i'll be up for a lot of coding :) |
| 15:53.28 | rm_you | finally get that open control panel done for ABL... *grumble* |
| 15:53.45 | rm_you | ah right i have to apply your patches still, qwerty |
| 15:53.52 | rm_you | my scratchbox is down :( |
| 15:54.21 | rm_you | and i was using johnx' but he is switching to fulltime Mer so no more scratchbox on his machine >_< |
| 15:54.40 | qwerty12 | rm_you: heh, did you manage to grab them? I removed everything form maemobox because it's shutting down :) |
| 15:54.40 | rm_you | my server is in too delicate a state currently to try to fix it |
| 15:54.51 | rm_you | qwerty12: no! i don't have them yet! >_> |
| 15:54.54 | rm_you | i just saved the link |
| 15:55.03 | rm_you | so i guess i can delete it from my bookmarks then >_> |
| 15:55.04 | qwerty12 | Lol, I've got them here, I'll pastebin :) |
| 15:55.07 | rm_you | why is maemobox going down? |
| 15:55.15 | rm_you | they need hosting support? |
| 15:55.18 | rm_you | I could set them up |
| 15:55.26 | rm_you | I have ridiculously unused hosting |
| 15:55.31 | qwerty12 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28447 |
| 15:56.00 | rm_you | noooo |
| 15:56.04 | rm_you | why haven't i been around |
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| 15:56.07 | rm_you | i could set him up right now! |
| 15:56.08 | rm_you | >_< |
| 15:56.23 | rm_you | if he gets on, tell him to like, CALL ME, or something |
| 15:56.30 | Woolly-work | rm_you: I'm just reading over this booting from SD card guide, and if I read this correctly, I want to get the firmware image on the tablet to the point where I'm happy with transferring it to the SD card, then copy the image over? |
| 15:56.43 | rm_you | Woolly-work: that is ONE thought |
| 15:56.55 | rm_you | what i usually do is just copy the base image |
| 15:57.01 | Woolly-work | right |
| 15:57.04 | rm_you | cause i want the flash install to be clean |
| 15:57.09 | Woolly-work | yes |
| 15:57.09 | Woolly-work | i see |
| 15:57.12 | rm_you | and i do all the customization once i boot to the SD |
| 15:57.18 | Woolly-work | alright |
| 15:57.22 | qwerty12 | rm_you: http://slexy.org/view/s2eClPmXvP and http://slexy.org/view/s2Qx1YMqk9 |
| 15:57.38 | rm_you | qwerty12: lol k i will try to save them now... i am not on a good machine for this |
| 15:57.49 | Woolly-work | if i have an SD card with a diablo image on it, can i put that into another N810 and boot from that straight off the bat? |
| 15:57.56 | Woolly-work | or is there anything I need to do on the N810 side |
| 15:58.22 | rm_you | well |
| 15:58.36 | qwerty12 | flasher-3.0 --set-root-device :> |
| 15:58.38 | rm_you | the device itself has to have the bootloader flashed |
| 15:58.42 | rm_you | but then yes |
| 15:58.56 | rm_you | so basically, if you flash the bootloader on all of the devices |
| 15:59.16 | rm_you | and then clone one fully working environment from the one SD card to four others, you can have all 5 devices booting instantly :) |
| 15:59.44 | Woolly-work | awesome, that's what I need |
| 15:59.48 | rm_you | I don't think there's anything you need to worry about, IIRC |
| 15:59.53 | Woolly-work | and the bootloader you are talking about is the bootmenu from fanoush? |
| 16:00.01 | rm_you | that's what i use |
| 16:00.13 | Woolly-work | grand, cheers :) |
| 16:00.16 | rm_you | qwerty12: does that command just change it to boot from a different device? |
| 16:00.22 | rm_you | and not display a bootmenu? |
| 16:00.52 | qwerty12 | rm_you: yep, works with or without bootmenu |
| 16:01.22 | rm_you | qwerty12: cool :P i think i prefer having the menu, myself, but that could work for you Woolly-work :P |
| 16:01.23 | qwerty12 | To restore the default behaviour, there's a --clear-root-device setting or something in the flasher |
| 16:01.38 | qwerty12 | Yep, the bootmenu is a lot better but for those times where you can't install it :) |
| 16:01.56 | Woolly-work | so i'm using flasher3.0 to put the SD card image onto the SD card in the virgin tablet |
| 16:02.03 | rm_you | no |
| 16:02.09 | rm_you | err |
| 16:02.12 | rm_you | i don't think so |
| 16:02.37 | rm_you | Woolly-work: flasher3.0 will set which device to boot from, as an alternative to installing fanoush' bootmenu |
| 16:02.52 | Woolly-work | ahh so flasher3.0 --set-boot-device or whatever it is wont specify an image to flash or anything, it just modifies the bootloader |
| 16:03.16 | rm_you | Woolly-work: to clone the SD card, I recommend putting it into a cardreader on your main machine, using dd or something to clone the entire disk to binary file, and then using dd to image all the other SD cards :P |
| 16:03.28 | Woolly-work | yeah, that's what I was going to do :D |
| 16:03.31 | rm_you | yes |
| 16:03.48 | Woolly-work | qwerty12: do you know if the set root device falls back to booting from internal if there isn't an SD present? |
| 16:04.01 | rm_you | it *should* if it is sane |
| 16:04.08 | rm_you | qwerty12, thoughts? |
| 16:04.25 | qwerty12 | Should do, lemme check linuxrc. But bootmenu is much better to use |
| 16:04.32 | Woolly-work | yeah |
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| 16:05.03 | qwerty12 | Yep, it goes back to flash |
| 16:05.11 | Woolly-work | awesome, thanks :) |
| 16:05.18 | GeneralAntilles | Flash needs to die horribly. |
| 16:05.29 | rm_you | lol GA |
| 16:05.36 | Woolly-work | i think i'll go with bootmenu, just to have the menu there, in case |
| 16:05.48 | GeneralAntilles | Some stupid, idiotic little flash applet has my whole browser locked up. |
| 16:06.04 | Woolly-work | wrong Flash :D |
| 16:06.38 | qwerty12 | Grab the pitchforks! |
| 16:07.06 | rm_you | GA: throw your Flash binary into the aperture science furnace, aka /dev/null |
| 16:07.17 | rm_you | :P |
| 16:07.24 | GeneralAntilles | I'm ready to break every piece of technology in this apartment. |
| 16:07.41 | rm_you | qwerty12: you know you could like, attach those patches to the PATCHES section of my garage project :P |
| 16:07.50 | rm_you | where they're like, supposed to go :P |
| 16:08.02 | rm_you | lol |
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| 16:08.07 | qwerty12 | rm_you: srysly? You could have told me this sooner :P |
| 16:08.11 | rm_you | just realized this |
| 16:08.27 | qwerty12 | never knew this. Hah, I got the 1UP :P |
| 16:08.45 | rm_you | https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/?atid=2116&group_id=564&func=browse |
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| 16:12.57 | rm_you | qwerty12: do you still stick to being online ONLY during specific hours like you did back last year? ( http://outpo.st/irc/ -- see your time distribution image, you are #12) |
| 16:13.01 | *** part/#maemo stv0 (n=steffen@dslb-084-058-204-004.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 16:13.03 | rm_you | cause that was funny :P |
| 16:13.48 | rm_you | like ONLY 06-17h |
| 16:13.51 | rm_you | :P |
| 16:14.00 | qwerty12 | rm_you: pretty much, yeah :). qwerty12_N800 can be found on here until around 12:30 AM BST :P |
| 16:14.04 | rm_you | misses jott |
| 16:15.50 | rm_you | brb |
| 16:18.53 | man_in_ltop | huh |
| 16:21.08 | Stskeeps | Macer: got the toll stuff: will have to cash out 76$ but that's cheap compared to how much i would have to pay for a new one |
| 16:21.16 | Stskeeps | toll/customs |
| 16:21.23 | Stskeeps | thereÃ's limits on what is considered gifts (price value, so) |
| 16:21.44 | ShadowJK | how do they arrive at 76? |
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| 16:22.20 | Stskeeps | ShadowJK: 150 dkk fee, 25% VAT probably |
| 16:22.27 | Stskeeps | landing at 438kr approx |
| 16:22.50 | ShadowJK | oh, it's sent through a courier instead of normal mail? |
| 16:22.58 | Stskeeps | normal mail |
| 16:23.02 | Stskeeps | facist danish post .. |
| 16:23.02 | ShadowJK | hm. |
| 16:23.03 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:23.20 | ShadowJK | fi post lets you handle customs yourself, which doesn't cost you any fees |
| 16:25.12 | Stskeeps | my gf tells me i should have sent it to poland instead |
| 16:25.40 | Woolly-work | rm_you: do I need to install e2fsprogs like it says in the wiki? it's been replaced by libuuid1 apparently |
| 16:26.04 | man_in_ltop | well, i hope to get a working wpa-eap/pap solution by tuesday |
| 16:27.21 | Stskeeps | wonders if mer works with wpa-eap or not.. the bug in discussion atm confuses me |
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| 16:27.38 | Stskeeps | man_in_ltop: there's a ICD plugin for WPA supplicant afaik |
| 16:28.15 | man_in_ltop | where? |
| 16:28.22 | qwerty12 | It won't compile, wants some functions in some headers that weren't included with it |
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| 16:38.07 | Macer | Stskeeps? |
| 16:38.08 | GeneralAntilles | Alright, that was a pain http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Generalantilles/Sandbox/Front_page |
| 16:39.12 | man_in_ltop | grrrrr |
| 16:39.17 | rm_you | hrmrm |
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| 16:39.51 | rm_you | the current front page is broken? or just sucky? |
| 16:40.10 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/ |
| 16:40.18 | rm_you | i know, i see it |
| 16:40.28 | GeneralAntilles | Horribly, horribly broken. |
| 16:40.29 | rm_you | all the boxes are pretty? >_> |
| 16:40.39 | GeneralAntilles | Mostly because X-Fade broke the templates. :P |
| 16:40.44 | rm_you | oh |
| 16:40.48 | rm_you | yeah i see |
| 16:40.55 | rm_you | the CSS is just bad |
| 16:41.14 | GeneralAntilles | This new design meshes with http://maemo.org/development/ etc |
| 16:43.22 | Stskeeps | Macer: lo |
| 16:43.37 | Stskeeps | Macer: basically i got hit with a tad of customs fee, but it's not a problem :) |
| 16:43.47 | Stskeeps | i had mistaken the rules - marking it gift won't get it past |
| 16:45.17 | Stskeeps | if the value is above a certain amount |
| 16:45.21 | Stskeeps | but it's very low, like 76$ |
| 16:45.29 | Stskeeps | which is cheap compared if i had to find it again |
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| 16:46.22 | man_in_ltop | ok, got it flashed up to diablo :D |
| 16:46.37 | man_in_ltop | now i just need to reinstall all my stuff :P |
| 16:52.48 | slonopotamus | ~ping |
| 16:52.49 | infobot | ~pong |
| 16:52.53 | man_in_ltop | so now it's on diablo, i shouldn't need to reflash it, right? |
| 16:53.07 | slonopotamus | hehe |
| 16:53.25 | slonopotamus | you just don't have newer os to reflash |
| 16:54.00 | mgedmin | and since diablo has SSU, you shouldn't need to reflash it in the future either |
| 16:56.32 | rm_you | leaves for the day |
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| 17:02.28 | man_in_ltop | mgedmin, that is what i meant |
| 17:02.33 | man_in_ltop | so how exactly does ssu work? |
| 17:03.18 | GeneralAntilles | man_in_ltop, it's just apt-get dist-upgrade basically. |
| 17:03.21 | GeneralAntilles | ~ssu |
| 17:03.21 | infobot | [ssu] http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU |
| 17:03.23 | man_in_ltop | ah |
| 17:03.26 | mgedmin | you go to the Application Installer and install 'OS2008 Feature Upgrade' there |
| 17:03.28 | mgedmin | then it reboots |
| 17:03.36 | GeneralAntilles | Except they update a system meta-package. |
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| 17:06.25 | GeneralAntilles | If somebody wants to figure out what bit of CSS is adding all that white space, this is ready to go: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Generalantilles/Sandbox/Front_page |
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| 17:11.07 | mib_ubpiiw | arghhh for my sanity could someone please link me up with xchat for n810 (.deb please) |
| 17:11.17 | mib_ubpiiw | hi simon |
| 17:11.24 | qwerty12 | It's in extras |
| 17:11.25 | GeneralAntilles | ~extras |
| 17:11.26 | infobot | methinks extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras |
| 17:11.35 | lardman | hi mib_ubpiiw |
| 17:12.03 | mib_ubpiiw | arrghh why isnt it listed? |
| 17:12.09 | man_in_ltop | it is |
| 17:12.19 | man_in_ltop | you have to enable "maemo extras" in the apps manager |
| 17:12.19 | mib_ubpiiw | i have other extras things |
| 17:12.43 | man_in_ltop | well, i'll check mine as soon as midori finishes installing |
| 17:13.23 | mib_ubpiiw | mmm no i just refreshed |
| 17:13.42 | mib_ubpiiw | liqbase is there so i know i already have extras |
| 17:13.53 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.google.com/search?ie=utf8&oe=utf8&q=site:repository.maemo.org+xchat |
| 17:14.09 | man_in_ltop | i just did a search for xchat |
| 17:14.12 | man_in_ltop | it's in my list |
| 17:14.24 | man_in_ltop | this is on latest diablo, though it was also on chinook |
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| 17:15.52 | GeneralAntilles | Are you sure it's not installed? |
| 17:15.56 | GeneralAntilles | Are you browsing "All"? |
| 17:16.04 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe try apt-get install xchat |
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| 17:20.16 | bacon | which bright spark asked if it was already installed? |
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| 17:20.26 | bacon | cos whoever it is needs a beer |
| 17:20.32 | GeneralAntilles | ;) |
| 17:20.52 | lardman | mmm, beer |
| 17:21.00 | bacon | this is tracys machine lol (she might be watchin ok lcuk machine |
| 17:21.01 | man_in_ltop | it was GeneralAntilles |
| 17:21.11 | man_in_ltop | unless you're offering a good ginger beer, then it was me |
| 17:21.14 | bacon | oh, white wine then |
| 17:21.19 | man_in_ltop | red |
| 17:21.25 | man_in_ltop | lambrusco |
| 17:21.35 | lcuk | she is watching god i cant even surf in peace when u not here |
| 17:21.41 | bacon | is on holiday |
| 17:22.12 | bacon | tracy, right click my name and msg me |
| 17:22.22 | lcuk | huh how? |
| 17:22.32 | bacon | right click on bacon |
| 17:22.36 | suihkulokki | wants to fry bacon |
| 17:22.46 | lardman | lcuk: type something like this: "~lart bacon" |
| 17:22.49 | man_in_ltop | gah, it's 3:30 |
| 17:23.01 | lardman | wonders if that counts as blasphemy |
| 17:23.04 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 17:23.15 | bacon | yes |
| 17:23.34 | lardman | :p |
| 17:24.20 | bacon | lol |
| 17:24.51 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody figure out what's adding all that whitespace http://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page |
| 17:24.55 | lardman | don't you just hate it when you once again realise a piece of code is slow, but don't have the time to fix it |
| 17:25.15 | man_in_ltop | GeneralAntilles, where in particular? |
| 17:25.29 | bacon | lardman, depends which bits |
| 17:25.29 | GeneralAntilles | man_in_ltop, between the content and the navbar on the right |
| 17:26.17 | man_in_ltop | it's not meant to look like that? |
| 17:26.32 | GeneralAntilles | man_in_ltop, compare it to http://maemo.org/development/ |
| 17:26.44 | bacon | anyone know if i can do the following: hotel wifi from laptop and from n810, but then connext via ssh from laptop to 81p |
| 17:27.05 | man_in_ltop | that's a very different layout |
| 17:27.18 | GeneralAntilles | man_in_ltop, um, not really. |
| 17:27.29 | GeneralAntilles | man_in_ltop, I think you've got a cached Main_Page |
| 17:27.30 | Jaffa | man_in_ltop: have you got your wiki skin set to monobookmaemo2009 |
| 17:27.39 | GeneralAntilles | or that |
| 17:27.42 | GeneralAntilles | Isn't it default now? |
| 17:27.45 | bacon | lcuk, tracy what are you doin with xchat on yours? |
| 17:27.54 | GeneralAntilles | is feeling the after-effect of CSS/XHTML toture. |
| 17:28.06 | GeneralAntilles | bacon, messaging old boyfriends, duh. |
| 17:28.08 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I don't know if X-Fade's changed anyone's settings though |
| 17:28.46 | man_in_ltop | i don't have a login for the wiki |
| 17:29.25 | GeneralAntilles | No, I guess it's not default yet. |
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| 17:30.01 | man_in_ltop | yay, vim |
| 17:30.35 | bacon | lardman which code is to clow |
| 17:30.38 | bacon | slow |
| 17:30.58 | lardman | datacube polynomial fitting and differential generation |
| 17:31.14 | lardman | fixable, but I always have something better to do, until I need to use it then I curse |
| 17:31.21 | bacon | oh that, yeah i left mine slow too |
| 17:31.26 | lardman | :D |
| 17:31.41 | bacon | is this a matlab prog |
| 17:31.47 | lardman | yeah |
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| 17:31.57 | lardman | everything is a MATLAB prog for me |
| 17:32.00 | lardman | at work at least |
| 17:32.11 | bacon | cos ppl in gsoc were talkin about runnin matlab on netbooks |
| 17:32.31 | bacon | is matlab code for visual basic then |
| 17:32.32 | lardman | were they, why? |
| 17:32.50 | lardman | ah, I do occassionally have to do a little VB it is true |
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| 17:33.28 | bacon | about how matlab itself would run but you would hafve to be an ubergod to make anything nontrivial run |
| 17:33.47 | bacon | so best is just throw more metal at it |
| 17:33.49 | lardman | really, what spec are they talking? I've had Octave running on the N8x0 reasonably happily |
| 17:34.09 | bacon | run using screen or vnc from a mainframe and slowness goes away ,) |
| 17:34.16 | lardman | though MATLAB nowadays uses Java for the GUI, so there's an issue straight off |
| 17:34.26 | bacon | this was related to eee |
| 17:34.50 | lardman | I was thinking of buying a little intel palmtop sort of machine for running MATLAB when away at conferences |
| 17:34.55 | bacon | its good to see we arent the only ones who need to optimize |
| 17:35.08 | bacon | cool |
| 17:35.20 | bacon | dont let gan hear u say that tho lol |
| 17:35.36 | lardman | well needs must, need something that can edit PowerPoint too |
| 17:36.08 | bacon | im thinking about atarting an optimization document for devicesx |
| 17:36.45 | bacon | if i can ever get used to the wiki lol |
| 17:37.09 | tank-man | im not a mathmatition, but what does matlab do that octave/maxima doesnt? |
| 17:37.41 | tank-man | or its just syntax preference? |
| 17:37.49 | bacon | it puts mat in a lab |
| 17:37.50 | lardman | inertia I guess |
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| 17:38.04 | lardman | though I used to use Symulink a lot, which is MATLAB only |
| 17:38.11 | lardman | simulink even |
| 17:39.18 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, probably better off with a netbook price/performance/usability-wise for mobile math stuff. |
| 17:39.42 | lardman | how big are they? |
| 17:39.49 | lardman | I want something small and portable ideally |
| 17:39.57 | bacon | does xchat bing if i minimize it and someone shouts |
| 17:40.22 | lardman | doesn't matter if it's not fast, just as long as it gets the job done (re MATLAB stuff), for trying out ideas, etc |
| 17:40.50 | GeneralAntilles | About 4 N810s |
| 17:41.05 | GeneralAntilles | bacon, it'll flash the notification area. |
| 17:41.27 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, but you're going to be paying ~$600 for a MID versus about $200-$300 for a netbook. |
| 17:41.33 | GeneralAntilles | A netbook with twice the performance. |
| 17:41.33 | bacon | im goin over to the laptop its behind me chargin |
| 17:41.42 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: work, not me |
| 17:42.33 | bacon | get an sgi netbook, tiny and handheld (and the main processing cabinet is on wheels |
| 17:42.42 | lardman | oi! |
| 17:43.39 | bacon | Å |
| 17:43.43 | bacon | ?even |
| 17:43.43 | locutus | GeneralAntilles: MID? |
| 17:44.04 | lardman | gets confused by all the acronyms |
| 17:44.14 | GeneralAntilles | locutus, Intel's definition. |
| 17:44.34 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Internet_Device |
| 17:44.37 | locutus | oh |
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| 17:45.03 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: you've got a Dell mini right? |
| 17:45.09 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, yeah. |
| 17:45.41 | lardman | hmm, browsing randomly the HP 2133 mini-note looks a good size |
| 17:45.48 | lardman | no idea what's in it mind you :) |
| 17:45.59 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, the HP Mini 1000 is more expensive, but probably a better choice. |
| 17:46.29 | GeneralAntilles | Than the Mini 9 that is. |
| 17:46.38 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, give it about 6 months, though. |
| 17:46.42 | GeneralAntilles | Wait for the new chipsets to hit. |
| 17:46.51 | GeneralAntilles | Since they're significantly less sucky than what's out now. |
| 17:47.06 | lardman | yeah |
| 17:47.14 | lardman | and deflation will kick in too ;) |
| 17:47.36 | bacon | in 6 months we should have omap3 in our hands |
| 17:47.55 | lardman | I hope it will be less than 6 months |
| 17:48.12 | bacon | so do i |
| 17:48.44 | lardman | I guess I could port my main code to run under Octave, assuming the omap3 will be reasonably quick |
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| 17:48.52 | lardman | still the ppt issue though |
| 17:49.06 | mib_tltiel | #nick jackdoor |
| 17:49.12 | bacon | no linux ppt viewers? |
| 17:49.20 | GeneralAntilles | ^ yeah, really. |
| 17:49.22 | lardman | no editors that seem to work |
| 17:49.24 | GeneralAntilles | That's not an issue. |
| 17:49.33 | bacon | qole should have oo working nicely on omap |
| 17:49.35 | mib_tltiel | #nickname jack |
| 17:49.48 | lardman | didn't work for me at the summit last year |
| 17:49.56 | lardman | I foolishly brought a ppt presentation |
| 17:50.16 | bacon | lol |
| 17:50.30 | bacon | i foolishly brought a craptop |
| 17:51.40 | jackdoor | Is it ok if I ask you guys for help with my n810 in this chat? |
| 17:51.54 | bacon | sure |
| 17:51.56 | Stskeeps | you can always try |
| 17:51.59 | jackdoor | thanks |
| 17:52.07 | bacon | we might not be able to help tho |
| 17:52.14 | bacon | hiya sts |
| 17:52.17 | Stskeeps | lo |
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| 17:52.43 | bacon | hows #liqbase doing without me lol |
| 17:53.00 | jackdoor | i am booting from the internal card but everytime my n810 boots a black and white menu comes up and i dontknow how to make it boot directly from the internal card |
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| 17:53.48 | jackdoor | just wondeing if theres a way to get rid of the menu so it boots straight into my internal card |
| 17:54.49 | qwerty12_N800 | ~boot-sd |
| 17:54.50 | infobot | i guess boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card |
| 17:55.14 | qwerty12_N800 | ^there's a section there on how to do so |
| 17:55.29 | bacon | o/ qwerty |
| 17:55.42 | qwerty12_N800 | hey bacon :) |
| 17:55.56 | jackdoor | problem is i dont have a linux computer |
| 17:55.57 | qwerty12_N800 | (lol, that sounded odd :P) |
| 17:56.04 | bacon | lol |
| 17:56.13 | bacon | sizzles on the griddle |
| 17:56.36 | GeneralAntilles | You know, if lcuk weren't such a bacon poser I'm quite certain he'd of died of sodium poisoning. |
| 17:56.52 | bacon | lol |
| 17:56.53 | qwerty12_N800 | jackdoor: it's done from tablet, which if you actually read it, you'd know |
| 17:56.59 | lcuk | is sick of bacon |
| 17:57.01 | bacon | tracy |
| 17:57.13 | bacon | do i eat as much bacon as they think |
| 17:57.30 | lcuk | yes u do |
| 17:57.31 | jackdoor | i did ant it said in linux or os x so i assumed it meant a computer |
| 17:58.00 | lardman | right, I'm heading for home, see you chaps tomorrow |
| 17:58.07 | bacon | lololoo |
| 17:58.13 | bacon | i dont eat much |
| 17:58.16 | bacon | gnite simon |
| 17:59.02 | jackdoor | so i can run that code from my tablet right? |
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| 18:05.21 | z4chh | im ordered my n810 :) |
| 18:05.25 | z4chh | i* |
| 18:05.49 | fred23 | Hi! I'm with Mozilla, working on Fennec (Firefox mobile) and I've hit something in the sapwood theme engine that's slowing down are startup... is any theme-expert online ? |
| 18:06.04 | Stskeeps | 'herzi' does sapwood, you can probably prod him |
| 18:06.13 | fred23 | nice |
| 18:06.45 | fred23 | he's not online at the moment.. does he hang out on a different channel ? |
| 18:07.40 | Stskeeps | nah, just afk atm |
| 18:07.45 | Stskeeps | catch him earlier |
| 18:08.15 | fred23 | Stskeeps: np, thanx |
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| 18:39.55 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: intentional wiki looks .. lame? :P |
| 18:39.58 | Stskeeps | as in, wiki main page |
| 18:40.08 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, switch to MonoBookMaemo2009 |
| 18:41.56 | Stskeeps | k |
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| 18:42.37 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I pulled the trigger too early, but I'm too lazy to revert |
| 18:42.45 | GeneralAntilles | It looks lame, but at least it doesn't look broken. |
| 18:43.36 | florian | re |
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| 19:35.22 | GeneralAntilles | ~rx-51 |
| 19:35.23 | infobot | hmm... rx-51 is http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/ http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9093153240.html |
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| 21:04.51 | Guest0937_962 | how much time i need to wait after applying for maemo extra upload? |
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| 21:05.11 | GeneralAntilles | Guest0937_962, usually a day. |
| 21:05.16 | GeneralAntilles | It's whenever X-Fade gets around to it. |
| 21:05.16 | Guest0937_962 | usualy? |
| 21:05.19 | GeneralAntilles | and he's done for today. |
| 21:05.36 | Guest0937_962 | ok so tomorow ok ok |
| 21:05.39 | Guest0937_962 | TX GA |
| 21:05.43 | Guest0937_962 | ;) |
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| 21:14.29 | eggs1235 | meh |
| 21:17.18 | GeneralAntilles | hem |
| 21:18.03 | eggs1235 | do u mirror everfything |
| 21:18.23 | eggs1235 | this beer is strong |
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| 21:21.18 | eggs1235 | does static damage n8x0 |
| 21:21.37 | johnx | why do you ask? |
| 21:21.55 | GeneralAntilles | Only if you hit the board. |
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| 21:21.57 | eggs1235 | i keep getting shocks on everythin i touch in the room i am in |
| 21:22.09 | eggs1235 | its not normal |
| 21:22.22 | eggs1235 | how r u johnx |
| 21:22.57 | johnx | pretty good |
| 21:29.09 | eggs1235 | gives up |
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| 21:33.53 | zakari | hi everybody |
| 21:34.35 | Guysoft422 | hey, is there a way to get the f1-f4 keys on he nokia n810? |
| 21:35.30 | eggs1235 | i thought some of the f keys were used for dpad etc |
| 21:35.54 | GeneralAntilles | eggs1235, no, -/+ and fullscreen |
| 21:36.12 | GeneralAntilles | Menu, Home. |
| 21:36.17 | qwerty12_N800 | ? dpad is mapped to your normal up, down etc |
| 21:37.43 | eggs1235 | you know what i meant tho |
| 21:39.22 | GeneralAntilles | Drunken tableteering is dangerous. |
| 21:39.47 | eggs1235 | o_O im not drunk yet |
| 21:39.53 | Guysoft422 | i have another keyboard question: i seem to have lost my virtual keyboard, it wont start, what could have caused that? |
| 21:40.17 | johnx | GuySoft, using a usb or bluetooth keyboard? |
| 21:40.26 | GeneralAntilles | Alternatively, N810? |
| 21:41.00 | eggs1235 | control panel option |
| 21:41.35 | eggs1235 | n810 still allows vkb |
| 21:42.26 | GeneralAntilles | eggs1235, sure, but a broken slide detector (known issue) or a software stick (known issue) can cause trouble. |
| 21:43.13 | eggs1235 | good point |
| 21:43.31 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that's why I brought it up. :D |
| 21:43.33 | eggs1235 | but the simplest scenario is its been unticked |
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| 21:44.37 | eggs1235 | thumb keyboards of anytype are fiddly, i much prefer a desktop |
| 21:44.50 | eggs1235 | grumbles at fingers |
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| 21:48.07 | eggs1235 | hmmm xchat is actibe app but hildon shows browser |
| 21:48.41 | qwerty12_N800 | it's the drink |
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| 21:49.10 | eggs1235 | the left hand side highlight and nobble are on browser |
| 21:49.18 | eggs1235 | its not qwerty |
| 21:49.40 | eggs1235 | ive got 2 browser windows open and xchat |
| 21:50.10 | eggs1235 | even more curious |
| 21:50.48 | eggs1235 | when i pressed fullscreen to save a pic lol it has now eaten hildon totally |
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| 21:51.04 | qwerty12_N800 | it happens, nothing harmful :) (of course, it doesn't help that the browser is a focus whore) |
| 21:51.08 | eggs1235 | theres no icons and yes im back in windows |
| 21:51.57 | eggs1235 | :o ive lost all my sidebar |
| 21:52.34 | eggs1235 | heh i can minimize chat but cant change app |
| 21:53.27 | eggs1235 | i cant even move applets |
| 21:53.40 | eggs1235 | or anything, time to sleep |
| 21:54.53 | guysoft42 | johnx, USB |
| 21:55.22 | guysoft42 | hmm, i just found someone reporting the same problem i have: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27188 |
| 21:55.45 | guysoft42 | i carn't seem to post about it too because its in the 'old' area |
| 22:00.09 | tank-man | guysoft42, you dont need those control apps to change to host mode if youre using those otg usb adaptors |
| 22:00.30 | guysoft42 | tank-man, i know. it used to work. .then it stoped |
| 22:00.56 | guysoft42 | now each time i plug it in, it reboots |
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| 22:02.20 | guysoft42 | tank-man, i also have on older system on at the internal 250MB memory, it works there too |
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| 22:05.14 | tank-man | have you looked at maybe the output of "dmesg" ? |
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| 22:06.50 | guysoft42 | tank-man, i am not sure how, it reboot about a second (even less) when i plug it in |
| 22:07.09 | guysoft42 | tank-man, i need some way to log it to file before it reboots |
| 22:07.11 | tank-man | you can ssh in from your desktop to see it |
| 22:07.50 | guysoft42 | tank-man, that might be hard, i will need to reconfigure the wifi here.. |
| 22:08.04 | guysoft42 | tank-man, because the usb would be in use |
| 22:08.15 | guysoft42 | tank-man, some bash scripts that echos the dmesg would do better |
| 22:08.47 | qwerty12_N800 | GuySoft: grab the klogd & syslogd debs from the diablo sdk repo (would give you a link but am on tablet) |
| 22:09.17 | qwerty12_N800 | kernel log gets dumped into /var/logs or smthing |
| 22:09.26 | qwerty12_N800 | (with klogd) |
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| 22:12.16 | guysoft42 | qwerty12_N800, tank-man its rebooting now. i tried writing : while true ; do; dmesg > dm ; done |
| 22:12.19 | guysoft42 | then i pluged it in |
| 22:15.07 | guysoft42 | empty file. so i did the same with two septate dm files.. that should mean while its writing on one, the other would be saved :) |
| 22:15.21 | guysoft42 | rebooting.. |
| 22:16.29 | guysoft42 | ok got it. let me paste it |
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| 22:16.49 | tank-man | you can use ">>" to append the output to a file instead of overwriting it |
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| 22:18.26 | guysoft42 | tank-man, that would flood the flash, my way is space-effective let me just pull the file and pastbin it |
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| 22:20.40 | guysoft42 | there, here is the pastebin, and you can see the keyboard. i can also see something strange with the driver: http://pastebin.com/m1c326bdb |
| 22:21.33 | man_in_pda | ok |
| 22:21.42 | guysoft42 | /home/faheem/kernel-source-diablo-2.6.21/kernel-source/drivers/usb/core/inode.c: creating file '002' is that the normal file for the driver? |
| 22:22.13 | guysoft42 | qwerty12_N800, care to take a look? it might shed light on this |
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| 22:23.39 | man_in_pda | so, is there a way of rearranging installed applications? |
| 22:24.01 | guysoft42 | man_in_pda, you mean the menu? yes, in the settings under panels |
| 22:24.08 | guysoft42 | tank-man, any idea? |
| 22:24.28 | qwerty12_N800 | GuySoft: Sorry, but I wouldn't probably be able to tell you: logs aren't my speciality & I don't use USB host :/ |
| 22:24.39 | man_in_pda | ah ty |
| 22:25.34 | lardman | guysoft42: are you booting with a hub attached or is that the built in one? |
| 22:25.52 | guysoft42 | it must be built in. |
| 22:25.55 | qwerty12_N800 | guysoft42: But I take it that's one of my kernel builds as it's saying /home/faheem - I dunno if that's one of my more stable ones... |
| 22:26.11 | lardman | guysoft42: ok |
| 22:26.24 | guysoft42 | qwerty12_N800, ah i see you are faheem :) |
| 22:26.35 | qwerty12_N800 | heh, yeah :) |
| 22:26.48 | guysoft42 | lardman, i also have another keyboard that does the same thing.. |
| 22:27.26 | guysoft42 | qwerty12_N800, maybe its your kernel? how can i check what kernel the old system (where it works) is running on? |
| 22:27.58 | guysoft42 | boots to the old system.. |
| 22:28.03 | guysoft42 | i guess ill just dmesg ther |
| 22:28.05 | guysoft42 | there* |
| 22:28.18 | lardman | so this is with a kb plugged in is it? |
| 22:28.25 | qwerty12_N800 | guysoft42: oh, the kernel is the same for all booted systems |
| 22:28.33 | lardman | sorry I only came in half way through the explanation |
| 22:28.48 | man_in_pda | now if only i could find a nice, easy way to get wpa-eap/pap support, i would be extremely happy with my new toy :) |
| 22:28.50 | guysoft42 | ah sorry lardman do go on |
| 22:29.33 | lardman | oh you're talking about a kb with a built in hub |
| 22:30.10 | tank-man | guysoft42, i dont see anything in the log you pasted that tells it to shutdown |
| 22:30.25 | tank-man | i dont know what is going on |
| 22:31.10 | lardman | have you disabled watchdog reboots? |
| 22:31.23 | lardman | just to see if it's the desktop which is taking it down |
| 22:31.25 | guysoft42 | tank-man, well its not supposed to .. i just made another dmesg from the old system, (where the keyboard works) .. lets see if there more lines |
| 22:31.31 | man_in_pda | hmm ... all the google bookmarks are google.com and i want them to be google.com.au :) |
| 22:31.47 | guysoft42 | lardman, my guess is it might be the connection manager that now supports USB network.. |
| 22:31.54 | lardman | I think I might just be confusing matters as I don't know what's going on, I'll sit back and listen for a while |
| 22:31.55 | lardman | :) |
| 22:32.14 | tank-man | my suggestion is use the normal kernel or bug the maintainer of the kernel you are using :) |
| 22:32.42 | guysoft42 | lardman, you mean bug qwerty12_N800 ? |
| 22:32.50 | guysoft42 | (dont i do that anyway? :P ) |
| 22:33.20 | lardman | I agree with tank-man of course, ask him about his odd taste in music while you're at it ;) |
| 22:34.29 | qwerty12_N800 | guysoft42: hehe, I don't think it's the kernel if it works when booting from a different system on the same machine as the same kernel is always used :) |
| 22:35.35 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman: bah, you Bath people, stick to yer classical music :p |
| 22:36.24 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: lol, I was just listening to some too |
| 22:36.35 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: T.Rex now |
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| 22:37.01 | lardman | before your (and my for that matter) time |
| 22:37.46 | GeneralAntilles | So, question, should the intro paragraph be dropped? http://maemo.org/community/ |
| 22:37.54 | GeneralAntilles | None of the other sections have intro paragraphs like that. |
| 22:38.06 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman: Come on, my time, maybe but yours? ;P |
| 22:38.23 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: hey, I'm only 30 young man! |
| 22:39.01 | qwerty12_N800 | oh, I thought you were double that :p |
| 22:39.05 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: I think it's ok |
| 22:39.21 | man_in_pda | dude, you're ancient! |
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| 22:39.37 | lardman | adds another reason to his list of "why to strangle qwerty" |
| 22:39.54 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: look what you've started! |
| 22:40.10 | lardman | probably past most of your bed times! :D |
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| 22:40.28 | lardman | and mine now that I'm getting old |
| 22:40.34 | qwerty12_N800 | A 60 year old's killing habit? :p |
| 22:40.56 | guysoft42 | ok! i think i got it |
| 22:40.58 | guysoft42 | well, the problem not the answer |
| 22:41.06 | guysoft42 | er - i got disconnection, can people see me here still |
| 22:41.08 | guysoft42 | ? |
| 22:41.09 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: I'll get you with my walking stick |
| 22:41.25 | lardman | guysoft42: yep |
| 22:41.37 | man_in_pda | qwerty12_N800, careful, or you won't live to see 30 |
| 22:41.40 | qwerty12_N800 | ok, now I'm scared :/ |
| 22:41.44 | b-man16 | lol |
| 22:41.45 | guysoft42 | this is the old working dmesg: http://pastebin.com/m72f3e955 |
| 22:41.58 | guysoft42 | it has a line: [ 92.187500] menelaus 1-0072: Setting voltage 'VMMC' to 3000 mV (reg 0x0a, val 0xb8) |
| 22:42.53 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, save it for the Summit. You can use your size and strength advantage to knock the snot out of him. |
| 22:42.58 | guysoft42 | ah no. it exists in the old one too, but in different places.. |
| 22:43.47 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: he'll fight back with psychological warefare like they did to Noriega |
| 22:43.55 | guysoft42 | hopes before all #maemo developers kill themselves by beating each other up, they might have an answer to his problem |
| 22:45.21 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: are you coming to the summit this year? |
| 22:45.31 | lardman | speaking of which, what about you Ryan....? |
| 22:46.47 | GeneralAntilles | Planning on it. |
| 22:46.55 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman: negative :) |
| 22:46.59 | b-man16 | qwety12 can't because he's 16 |
| 22:47.23 | b-man16 | is too XP |
| 22:47.34 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12 better come too. |
| 22:47.35 | b-man16 | *to |
| 22:47.57 | GeneralAntilles | Otherwise we're sending Jaffa, lardman, lcuk, and lbt to knock on your door. |
| 22:47.58 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: I can act in loco parentis |
| 22:50.36 | lardman | anyway you can get married and drive a tractor at 16 so why not come to the summit? |
| 22:50.43 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 22:51.32 | lardman | actually I think you can probably fly a plane at 16 too; driving cars at 17 and voting at 18 are passé |
| 22:51.53 | GeneralAntilles | Probably younger than that |
| 22:51.57 | GeneralAntilles | State-side anyway. |
| 22:52.05 | lardman | over here I think it's 16 |
| 22:52.10 | lardman | still pretty young |
| 22:52.25 | lardman | can't you guys drive at 16 in some states? |
| 22:52.50 | johnx | 15 in some, IIRC |
| 22:52.58 | lardman | bloody hell |
| 22:53.03 | johnx | but yeah, 16 is basically the age for all states |
| 22:53.19 | lardman | good thing there are no bends over there ;) |
| 22:53.42 | lardman | johnx: well in the US, Japan is just very narrow I imagine |
| 22:53.44 | GeneralAntilles | 14 in some. |
| 22:54.08 | guysoft42 | here its 17.. |
| 22:54.12 | man_in_pda | yay colours in xchat :P |
| 22:54.24 | guysoft42 | man_in_pda, it only works for you |
| 22:54.27 | lardman | now realises why no-one walks in the US; playstation generation are allowed to drive cars before puberty |
| 22:54.49 | GeneralAntilles | The bad drivers really aren't the kids. |
| 22:55.06 | GeneralAntilles | Bad drivers are the old people with no reflexes or senses left |
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| 22:55.10 | lardman | do people drink-drive these days? |
| 22:55.17 | johnx | lardman, they're allowed to have puberty younger too |
| 22:55.25 | guysoft42 | speaking of drivers - can you please help me?!?! |
| 22:55.32 | johnx | lardman, only politicians and policemen |
| 22:55.32 | GeneralAntilles | and the middle-aged people who think they know what they're doing so couldn't possibly get in an accident. |
| 22:55.35 | lardman | guysoft42: lol |
| 22:55.36 | man_in_pda | of course. nothing works for anyone but me ;) |
| 22:55.48 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: I hope you're not looking at me |
| 22:56.03 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, dunno, never seen you drive. :P |
| 22:56.33 | lardman | sideways and quickly |
| 22:57.10 | GeneralAntilles | What, got some sort of tuned up Supra? :P |
| 22:57.22 | johnx | guysoft42, what are you using to set host mode? |
| 22:57.25 | lardman | nah front-wheel drive, lift off oversteer all the way |
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| 22:57.51 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 22:57.52 | johnx | FWD. ugh. |
| 22:57.58 | johnx | I can barely stand AWD |
| 22:58.04 | GeneralAntilles | Worst. Thing. Ever. |
| 22:58.18 | lardman | rwd is expensive over here |
| 22:58.26 | GeneralAntilles | My mother got a Miata last month. |
| 22:58.29 | johnx | so don't buy new. :P |
| 22:58.36 | GeneralAntilles | Fun car |
| 22:58.45 | guysoft42 | johnx, i have the usb host app installed, but i am not using it to set anything |
| 22:58.52 | lardman | ah mx-5 |
| 22:58.56 | guysoft42 | johnx, have you seen the dmesg output? |
| 22:59.12 | GeneralAntilles | Automatic, though. :( |
| 22:59.46 | johnx | guysoft42, so you're trying to use a usb keyboard, but you're not setting host mode with anything? |
| 23:00.09 | guysoft42 | johnx, yes.. works on the old system fine. |
| 23:00.43 | guysoft42 | i can also tell you that before the thing reboots the let lights up white, and there is a 'ding' of a reboot |
| 23:00.51 | johnx | well, what kind of adapter are you using? have you tried setting host mode first? have you tried it without any card plugged in? |
| 23:00.52 | lardman | I've got one of these, excuse Clarkson: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvyVnutjJYA |
| 23:01.15 | GAN800 | I'm so tired of this piece of shit computer. :( |
| 23:01.43 | guysoft42 | johnx, it does it in two i have, one i ordered from china, and the other one i soldered two female connectors together |
| 23:01.56 | guysoft42 | both dont need any setting in the old system, both crash in the new one |
| 23:02.07 | guysoft42 | its purely something software-related |
| 23:02.09 | johnx | ok, well answer my other questions then |
| 23:02.49 | guysoft42 | johnx, ah, ill try the card idea |
| 23:02.58 | johnx | try setting host mode too! |
| 23:03.02 | guysoft42 | ok |
| 23:04.32 | guysoft42 | did both, still reboots |
| 23:04.59 | johnx | no ideas. have you been playing with usb networking? |
| 23:05.31 | guysoft42 | johnx, not in depth.. i really think that is the cause |
| 23:05.42 | guysoft42 | johnx, because i dont have that in my old system |
| 23:05.53 | johnx | yup. running into something similar here |
| 23:06.37 | johnx | but it only happens when I've been trying to switch from one mode to another |
| 23:06.43 | johnx | I never get it on a fresh boot |
| 23:06.52 | guysoft42 | you can recreate the bug?? |
| 23:06.58 | johnx | not reliably |
| 23:07.22 | johnx | you have an n810 or n800? |
| 23:07.24 | guysoft42 | well better than nothing.. here it happens all the time |
| 23:07.26 | guysoft42 | N810 |
| 23:07.43 | johnx | I worked around it here by removing *both* cards :> |
| 23:07.48 | johnx | <- n800 |
| 23:07.56 | guysoft42 | yay! i am now not the jabbering loony that claims bugs no one ever sees |
| 23:08.15 | johnx | have you flashed a non-Nokia kernel? |
| 23:08.27 | guysoft42 | ah! well welll guess what is solderd on my board.. |
| 23:08.35 | guysoft42 | yes.. i am using qwerty12_N800's |
| 23:08.46 | johnx | try a nokia kernel |
| 23:08.55 | johnx | I haven't taken that step yet, but it would be interesting to know |
| 23:09.11 | guysoft42 | um, if i flash it wont it stop the bootloader? |
| 23:09.26 | johnx | flash just the kernel |
| 23:09.40 | johnx | you can use the flasher on the device itself |
| 23:09.42 | guysoft42 | johnx, link how to do that? |
| 23:09.57 | guysoft42 | qwerty12_N800, is this safe? |
| 23:10.22 | johnx | it's how Nokia does it for their SSU updates ;) |
| 23:10.32 | qwerty12_N800 | guysoft42: sure |
| 23:10.44 | guysoft42 | whats the command? |
| 23:10.52 | guysoft42 | qwerty12_N800, what am i loosing that your kernel does/ |
| 23:10.53 | guysoft42 | ? |
| 23:11.03 | johnx | I forgot where you store the kernel, but it's: flash-and-reboot |
| 23:11.11 | johnx | you have to leave the kernel somewhere specific though |
| 23:11.19 | johnx | you could read the flash-and-reboot script to tell you |
| 23:11.41 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx: fiasco-flasher -f -k <image> works too :) |
| 23:12.05 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, right, as long as your usb works reliably ... :> |
| 23:12.33 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx: flash & reboot script calls that program :) |
| 23:12.48 | johnx | aaah, I thought you meant something from the desktop |
| 23:13.04 | johnx | <- not paying 100% attention, needs more coffee |
| 23:13.18 | qwerty12_N800 | guysoft42: dunno, I've done a lot of zImages... If you wanna flash another kernel, http://trac.tspre.org/qwerty12/mer_kernel/mer_kernel_2.6.21-zImage_boot_from_initfs.tar is stable |
| 23:13.44 | qwerty12_N800 | But try a nokia one first :) |
| 23:14.22 | GeneralAntilles | He puts a different virus in each one. |
| 23:14.41 | guysoft42 | qwerty12_N800, where do you place the flasher? and where do i get an image from? |
| 23:16.15 | qwerty12_N800 | guysoft42: the flasher is shipped with diablo (fiasco-flasher as root) and apt-get install -reinstall kernel-diablo-flasher should place the original image on the filesystem |
| 23:16.46 | qwerty12_N800 | s/-reinstall/--reinstall/ |
| 23:17.08 | man_in_pda | so, what's the easiest way to hit Tab using the real keyboard on a n810? :k |
| 23:17.22 | man_in_pda | * :) |
| 23:17.42 | johnx | ctrl-i ? |
| 23:18.51 | man_in_pda | that split the channel off in xchat |
| 23:19.44 | guysoft42 | E: Command line option 'r' [from -reinstall] is not known.? |
| 23:19.46 | guysoft42 | nm needed two -- |
| 23:20.04 | guysoft42 | catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com seems to not wor |
| 23:20.06 | guysoft42 | work* |
| 23:20.28 | johnx | man_in_pda, I thought you meant in a terminal. oops |
| 23:20.51 | man_in_pda | it's ok |
| 23:20.55 | lardman | guysoft42: that means reboot on the desktop version afaik |
| 23:21.09 | qwerty12_N800 | guysoft42: eurgh, apt is meant to be patched to auth. to that server :( |
| 23:21.20 | man_in_pda | need to restart xchat anyway |
| 23:23.04 | guysoft42 | qwerty12_N800, patched? you meen the red pill? |
| 23:23.54 | man_in_pda | damn, "shinshen sho" promised to be like mah-jong, and it's tile-matching |
| 23:25.10 | qwerty12_N800 | guysoft42: no :( |
| 23:25.26 | *** part/#maemo man_in_pda (n=shack@unaffiliated/man-in-shack/x-4279753) |
| 23:25.31 | guysoft42 | qwerty12_N800, so what? |
| 23:26.51 | qwerty12_N800 | not sure as I can't think of another way to get it (barring extracting it from a fiasco image off the computer) |
| 23:28.56 | lardman | how old is the current kernel? |
| 23:29.22 | lardman | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=665&release_id=1934 is one you could wget from July 2008, but that sounds a bit old |
| 23:30.05 | guysoft42 | qwerty12_N800, should i wget 1.1.0? |
| 23:30.54 | qwerty12_N800 | that seems a little too old |
| 23:30.55 | lardman | I don't remember what kernel version that was |
| 23:31.13 | guysoft42 | qwerty12_N800, where can i wget a diffrent one? |
| 23:31.47 | qwerty12_N800 | No idea, not for an original one |
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| 23:32.02 | lardman | hang on, I'm sure I can find one |
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| 23:33.18 | lardman | what version of the bin file are we on atm? |
| 23:33.25 | guysoft42 | whey is everything here broken?! : http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.6 |
| 23:33.38 | lardman | I have the kernel from DIABLO_5.2008.43-7 handy |
| 23:33.55 | qwerty12_N800 | 43-7 is latest iirc |
| 23:34.05 | GeneralAntilles | GuySoft, the latest release is 0.11. . . . |
| 23:34.06 | lardman | ok, let me upload it then |
| 23:34.24 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: I think he was talking about my sbc decoder with included kernel |
| 23:34.26 | qwerty12_N800 | guysoft42: because Mer is now on 0.11 perhaps with 0.12 being released very soon? :P |
| 23:34.44 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, re the wiki page |
| 23:35.13 | lardman | ah, ok |
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| 23:35.57 | guysoft42 | how about?: http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/0.11/mer-armel-n8x0-kernelstd-v0.11.zImage |
| 23:36.06 | lardman | guysoft42: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/temp/zImage.DIABLO.5.43-7 |
| 23:36.28 | man_in_pda | is there a way to override the background colour of the input box and topic bar in xchat? |
| 23:37.03 | qwerty12_N800 | man_in_pda: set by theme |
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| 23:38.03 | man_in_pda | don't really want to change the system theme ... |
| 23:38.14 | kcowolf | b-man around by any chance? |
| 23:39.32 | guysoft42 | ok, ready to flash to mer-armel-n8x0-kernelstd-v0.11.zImage |
| 23:40.17 | johnx | note: I think that's the kernel I'm using |
| 23:40.40 | guysoft42 | Nothing to flash.? |
| 23:41.01 | johnx | try the diablo kernel that lardman linked just up above |
| 23:41.04 | lardman | my one was pristine from the NOLO |
| 23:41.59 | guysoft42 | ok joelmaher |
| 23:42.01 | guysoft42 | johnx, * |
| 23:42.21 | lardman | s/NOLO/FIASCO |
| 23:42.53 | lardman | bbiam, have to vpn to work |
| 23:43.27 | kcowolf | anyone managed to apt-get install ubuntu-desktop from b-man's instructions on the forum (Ubuntu on n810 2.2)? Mine seems to reboot (maybe a crash) during the install |
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| 23:43.53 | guysoft42 | fasco-flasher: not found? |
| 23:44.04 | johnx | missed an i |
| 23:44.14 | johnx | kcowolf, might want to turn off watchdog reboot |
| 23:44.26 | guysoft42 | flashed.. now i reboot? |
| 23:44.32 | Pavlov | -R |
| 23:46.29 | johnx | correct |
| 23:49.53 | kcowolf | so I'd need to get to R&D mode and disable it? which one should I disable? |
| 23:51.08 | lardman_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.50 | kcowolf | My newbie question for today: Out of curiosity, since I'm installing this (Ubuntu for the 810) on an SD card, do I have to be using the tablet while I'm installing it, or could I be using any Linux box? |
| 23:54.21 | guysoft42 | parasight, wrote reboot.. did the same i guess |
| 23:54.21 | guysoft42 | booting now |
| 23:54.36 | guysoft42 | rebooted :( |
| 23:54.38 | guysoft42 | at least ill flash to the new Mer |
| 23:54.44 | guysoft42 | is there a way to turn off the connection manager,, i really suspect it |
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| 23:56.23 | guysoft42 | mer kernel reboots too |
| 23:56.39 | guysoft42 | is there a way to disable the network manager? |
| 23:58.46 | Macer | hm |