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| 00:40.14 | fuzzybunny | help! i deletted my archives folder |
| 00:40.43 | fuzzybunny | i need roott access in gftp |
| 00:41.35 | fuzzybunny | bye |
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| 00:44.38 | fuzzybnny | hi |
| 00:46.10 | fuzzybnny | i need help |
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| 00:46.31 | jaem_N810 | hey folks |
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| 00:47.37 | jaem_N810 | so... I have an Elektex fabric keyboard, and it shows up as a storage medium in HFM, but transfers fail |
| 00:47.52 | fuzzybunny | how do you get root access in Gftp |
| 00:47.53 | jaem_N810 | it seems odd that a keyboard might have storage |
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| 00:48.03 | jaem_N810 | any ideas? |
| 00:48.13 | fuzzybunny | no clue |
| 00:48.32 | fuzzybunny | do u know how to get root access in Gftp |
| 00:49.10 | jaem_N810 | root access for the program, or on the remote machine's fs? |
| 00:49.22 | fuzzybunny | th program |
| 00:49.25 | fuzzybunny | the |
| 00:49.51 | jaem_N810 | run it from the console? |
| 00:50.10 | fuzzybunny | what console? |
| 00:50.25 | fuzzybunny | u mean terminal |
| 00:51.44 | jaem_N810 | yep |
| 00:51.50 | fuzzybunny | I accidentally deleted my /var/apt/cache/archives/ directory |
| 00:52.03 | fuzzybunny | and I need to make a new one |
| 00:52.07 | jaem_N810 | Maemo doesn't have a graphical sudo app, like gksudo or kdesudo |
| 00:52.08 | jaem_N810 | oh |
| 00:52.11 | jaem_N810 | wait |
| 00:52.20 | jaem_N810 | why do you need to us Gftp, then? |
| 00:52.30 | jaem_N810 | is the deleted folder on your NIT? |
| 00:52.37 | fuzzybunny | ???????? |
| 00:52.46 | fuzzybunny | I dont know |
| 00:53.21 | fuzzybunny | I used terminal to rm -r it |
| 00:53.34 | fuzzybunny | so I don't think its still there |
| 00:54.26 | jaem_N810 | but this is on your tablet? |
| 00:54.32 | jaem_N810 | not another computer? |
| 00:54.42 | fuzzybunny | yes, my tablet |
| 00:54.44 | jaem_N810 | okay |
| 00:54.51 | fuzzybunny | N800 |
| 00:54.58 | jaem_N810 | do you have the rootsh package (or similar) installed |
| 00:55.01 | fuzzybunny | os2008 |
| 00:55.04 | fuzzybunny | no |
| 00:55.30 | jaem_N810 | okay |
| 00:55.38 | fuzzybunny | apt is broken so I can't install anything |
| 00:55.41 | jaem_N810 | right |
| 00:55.57 | fuzzybunny | so how do u get root in gftp |
| 00:56.04 | jaem_N810 | what happens when you type sudo gainroot into the console? |
| 00:56.16 | fuzzybunny | here, let me try |
| 00:56.21 | jaem_N810 | I'll brb - I have to go out of range |
| 00:56.27 | jaem_N810 | hold on a minute or so |
| 00:56.43 | fuzzybunny | ok |
| 00:57.50 | jaem_N810 | I13 1e2 kcccccctcccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccmyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyg v6vqqw[w444444 |
| 00:57.50 | jaem_N810 | 44444444444444444444444444444444upo6690irr#iirpjjjjjjjjl1mb;ct |
| 00:58.06 | fuzzybunny | u ok? |
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| 00:59.29 | jaem_N810 | note to self |
| 00:59.35 | fuzzybunny | hey |
| 00:59.50 | jaem_N810 | turn OFF fabric keyboard BEFORE rolling it up and putting it in pocket |
| 00:59.55 | jaem_N810 | >_< |
| 01:00.10 | fuzzybunny | ok, root shell is enabled |
| 01:00.28 | jaem_N810 | okay |
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| 01:00.43 | jaem_N810 | try this |
| 01:01.06 | fuzzybunny | ok |
| 01:01.40 | jaem_N810 | mkdir -p /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 01:01.53 | jaem_N810 | did you just delete the archives folder? |
| 01:02.03 | fuzzybunny | pretty much |
| 01:02.04 | jaem_N810 | or further up the tree? |
| 01:02.06 | jaem_N810 | okay |
| 01:02.16 | jaem_N810 | hopefully that helps |
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| 01:02.29 | jaem_N810 | if not, I'll be back in a little bit |
| 01:02.46 | fuzzybunny | thanx |
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| 02:06.51 | pupnik_ | nice, fn+left/right dpad switches between xterms |
| 02:09.54 | jaem | pupnik_: Oh? |
| 02:09.57 | jaem | that is nice |
| 02:10.01 | jaem | I didn't know that... |
| 02:10.29 | jaem | although, given the d-pad placement, that's not all that useful :S |
| 02:11.48 | pupnik_ | i was trying to find smth to switch between all apps though |
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| 02:12.12 | pupnik_ | i might remap fn to the right shift |
| 02:12.25 | jaem | pupnik_: I think there is a key for that, but I can't remember if there is, or what it might be |
| 02:12.57 | jaem | is liking his new BT keyboard |
| 02:13.04 | pupnik_ | which one? |
| 02:13.11 | jaem | the Elektex fabric keyboard |
| 02:13.53 | jaem | it will take a bit of getting used to, but I can type well enough that within the first half an hour, I mostly got the hang of it |
| 02:14.08 | jaem | and I received in trade for something I got free in the first place, so... |
| 02:14.54 | jaem | I don't know if you were around, but earlier I forgot to turn it off before rolling it up, and typed a whole bunch of gibberish into #maemo from my pocket |
| 02:14.58 | jaem | oops |
| 02:16.29 | pupnik_ | yeah saw that |
| 02:16.32 | luke-jr | I might seriously try GNOME 3 if it's Qt-based. |
| 02:16.40 | jaem | luke-jr: um... |
| 02:16.42 | pupnik_ | forgot jaem was jaem_n810 |
| 02:16.59 | jaem | luke-jr: isn't that called KDE4? :P |
| 02:17.06 | luke-jr | jaem: no, KDE 4 is not GNOME |
| 02:17.10 | jaem | pupnik_: different accounts |
| 02:17.12 | luke-jr | and KDE 4 is getting worse and worse |
| 02:17.17 | jaem | luke-jr: obviously |
| 02:17.18 | jaem | I was kidding |
| 02:17.20 | luke-jr | 4.2 has a hard requirement on MySQL |
| 02:17.28 | jaem | but the idea of a Qt-based GNOME seems amusing |
| 02:17.36 | jaem | although it would be interesting |
| 02:17.39 | luke-jr | jaem: no excuse for GTK+ anymore |
| 02:17.42 | luke-jr | Qt is LGPL now |
| 02:17.56 | luke-jr | and open to contributions w/o copyright assignment |
| 02:18.31 | luke-jr | but now suffers from KDE going to crap |
| 02:18.34 | jaem | luke-jr: without getting into it, I think KDE 4 has made good and bad decisions, but I first tried it because it was something new and exciting, as opposed to GNOME, which never seems different between releases |
| 02:18.52 | luke-jr | jaem: yes, I like KDE 4 a lot in various ways |
| 02:18.56 | jaem | what do you define as "going to crap"? |
| 02:19.01 | luke-jr | but the PIM module is horrible now |
| 02:19.09 | luke-jr | jaem: the MySQL dep is a big one |
| 02:19.16 | jaem | luke-jr: PIM could use some serious work, for sure |
| 02:19.19 | luke-jr | also, the calendar/todo list doesn't work at all |
| 02:19.26 | luke-jr | or at least didn't last time I dared try it (4.1 IIRC) |
| 02:19.41 | jaem | KDE moves fast |
| 02:19.45 | luke-jr | meinproc4 eats a ton of memory too |
| 02:19.51 | luke-jr | no clue why, it's jsut an XML processor |
| 02:19.52 | jaem | the KDEPIM is a heck of a lot better now |
| 02:20.06 | luke-jr | good, but the MySQL dependency still is a killer negative |
| 02:20.11 | jaem | hrm |
| 02:20.14 | luke-jr | and it's scheduled to get worse in 4.3 |
| 02:20.17 | jaem | oh? |
| 02:20.24 | jaem | how so? |
| 02:20.25 | luke-jr | at least IN THEORY you can disable the MySQL dep |
| 02:20.27 | luke-jr | with 4.2 |
| 02:20.31 | luke-jr | but with 4.3, no way no how |
| 02:20.47 | jaem | what's wrong with MySQL? |
| 02:21.04 | luke-jr | um, it's huge, poor in standards-compliance, and eats memory? |
| 02:21.04 | jaem | I'm not arguing with you, but I'm interested in your position |
| 02:21.08 | jaem | ah |
| 02:21.16 | luke-jr | even an empty MySQL db requires over 100 MB of disk space |
| 02:21.36 | jaem | well, I can't speak to that, but my Arch/KDEmod install is pretty slim |
| 02:21.49 | luke-jr | oh, and the MySQL dep's purpose is jsut retarded |
| 02:21.50 | luke-jr | it's a CACHE |
| 02:21.52 | jaem | what's MySQL a dep for, again? |
| 02:22.00 | luke-jr | for PIM data |
| 02:22.09 | jaem | oh, as an Akonadi backend? |
| 02:22.10 | jaem | right |
| 02:22.12 | luke-jr | yes |
| 02:22.13 | jaem | remembers |
| 02:22.14 | luke-jr | the only one |
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| 02:24.05 | jaem | on an aside, is there a list of popular forum tutorials/guides from itT anywhere? I keep hearing of interesting apps and tweaks that I've somehow overlooked for months |
| 02:24.21 | luke-jr | eh, I'm just installing Gentoo ⺠|
| 02:24.28 | jaem | hehe |
| 02:24.30 | xnt | hey guys im back :) |
| 02:24.34 | jaem | on your NIT? :P |
| 02:24.35 | luke-jr | the sky is the limit from there |
| 02:24.36 | jaem | hey xnt |
| 02:24.38 | luke-jr | N810 |
| 02:24.43 | jaem | oh my |
| 02:24.45 | xnt | hey |
| 02:24.49 | luke-jr | s/the sky/RAM/ |
| 02:25.12 | luke-jr | jaem: kdelibs finished a few hours ago |
| 02:25.22 | luke-jr | working on boost now |
| 02:25.31 | jaem | luke-jr: finished building, you mean? |
| 02:25.33 | luke-jr | yes |
| 02:25.36 | jaem | ah |
| 02:25.58 | jaem | I don't mind building apps from source, but I like my precompiled binaries |
| 02:26.02 | jaem | that's why I use Arch |
| 02:26.05 | jaem | the best of both worlds |
| 02:26.15 | jaem | or at least, a good compromise |
| 02:26.19 | luke-jr | Arch runs on N810? |
| 02:26.22 | jaem | no |
| 02:26.25 | jaem | but I wish it did |
| 02:26.39 | luke-jr | I'm building my stuff with -Os ⺠|
| 02:26.47 | luke-jr | and some other memory/size optimizations |
| 02:27.25 | jaem | it would be a good fit I think, considering its slimness, but that's not in line with Arch's goals, so it likely won't happen |
| 02:27.48 | jaem | which is kind of too bad, IMO |
| 02:27.57 | luke-jr | jaem: b-man ported Ubuntu |
| 02:28.09 | b-man | :) |
| 02:28.12 | jaem | luke-jr: I know, and that's decent, but it's not really the same |
| 02:28.13 | luke-jr | last I heard he was working on OS X |
| 02:28.16 | jaem | high fives b-man |
| 02:28.22 | jaem | last I heard, he was working on Vista |
| 02:28.23 | jaem | lol |
| 02:28.26 | luke-jr | >_< |
| 02:28.29 | luke-jr | that was a joke |
| 02:28.30 | luke-jr | I think |
| 02:28.32 | luke-jr | ö |
| 02:28.34 | b-man | no X |
| 02:28.35 | jaem | luke-jr: I'm aware |
| 02:28.37 | b-man | D |
| 02:28.44 | jaem | b-man: try Plan 9 next! |
| 02:28.53 | b-man | lol |
| 02:29.25 | luke-jr | b-man: you're cross-compiling, btw? |
| 02:29.26 | b-man | it was a joke ;) |
| 02:29.29 | luke-jr | or native? |
| 02:29.35 | b-man | native |
| 02:29.41 | luke-jr | b-man: how did you link qt-webkit? |
| 02:30.38 | luke-jr | I had to copy my rootfs to my amd64 box and use qemu to link :x |
| 02:30.40 | jaem | is Midori available for Maemo, or do you have to run it from a chroot? |
| 02:30.46 | b-man | i didn't, i used the upstream ubuntu 9.04 as a base for ubuntu-n8x0 |
| 02:30.58 | luke-jr | b-man: upstream had ARM already? |
| 02:31.04 | b-man | yes |
| 02:31.08 | luke-jr | armv6j? |
| 02:31.16 | b-man | yup :) |
| 02:31.17 | luke-jr | or are you using armv4 stuff? |
| 02:31.24 | b-man | armv6 |
| 02:31.29 | luke-jr | ö |
| 02:31.34 | b-man | :) |
| 02:32.00 | luke-jr | wish someone would pass a law saying if we buy hardware we have a right to the specs for them >.> |
| 02:32.14 | jaem | yeah, but it's not going to happen |
| 02:32.21 | b-man | XD |
| 02:32.26 | luke-jr | :/ |
| 02:32.36 | jaem | the FSF should just buy out a country and do things like that |
| 02:32.43 | jaem | RMS, president of GNUtopia |
| 02:33.02 | jaem | too bad you can't do things like that :( |
| 02:33.14 | jaem | wants his own country |
| 02:33.37 | xnt | jaem: :P |
| 02:34.10 | pupnik_ | i think tear has .. mem leak |
| 02:34.17 | luke-jr | jaem: RMS is not trustworthy |
| 02:34.23 | luke-jr | jaem: also, RMS supports closed hardware |
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| 03:41.33 | ShadowJK | pupnik_, I think it uses more ram than microb :) |
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| 03:46.17 | z4chh | has anyone bought an n810 from there (or, if you were to buy an n810, would you buy this?) http://www.justmywireless.com/product_info.php?products_id=389?osCsid=9757f121144babdb32b21b02284cc6b3 |
| 03:49.37 | luke-jr | z4chh: they're always sold out ;p |
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| 03:50.07 | z4chh | i think all their stuff is used though :\ |
| 03:50.42 | z4chh | i don't like how there is not a description of the quality of the used product |
| 03:52.35 | luke-jr | z4chh: I got mine used off ebay for about the same price |
| 03:52.55 | z4chh | im not to fond of "used" |
| 03:53.09 | z4chh | i prefer a fresh device with fresh battery and such |
| 03:55.22 | ShadowJK | Li-Ion batteries degrade from the date of manufacture :) |
| 03:55.28 | ShadowJK | even if unused |
| 03:55.56 | luke-jr | â¼! |
| 03:56.18 | z4chh | ShadowJK, they probably degrade faster though as use increases |
| 03:56.22 | z4chh | xD |
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| 03:56.46 | ShadowJK | Yeah, keeping them fully charged, or fully discharged will accelerate it, as well as keeping them warm |
| 03:58.27 | z4chh | ShadowJK, so should i not have my batter charged fully when i don't use my n800 for a period of time? |
| 04:00.33 | ShadowJK | If you want to prolong its life I'd say switch your n800 off when you have 3 bars left |
| 04:00.52 | ShadowJK | and remove it |
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| 04:03.55 | luke-jr | slonopotamus_: hi |
| 04:05.48 | ShadowJK | If you're using it, charge often. You don't need to run down the battery before charging, it does more harm than good. |
| 04:11.33 | slonopotamus_ | luke-jr, hello |
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| 04:11.33 | z4chh | thanks ShadowJK |
| 04:27.33 | z4chh | i think ill get this |
| 04:27.33 | z4chh | http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-N810-Portable-Internet-Tablet/dp/B000Y4AH3C |
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| 05:11.57 | Khertan | Morning |
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| 05:46.53 | thux | morning |
| 05:47.36 | luke-jr | yay UGT |
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| 07:10.50 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:13.06 | luke-jr | #distroflamewar is fun |
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| 07:34.19 | thux | luke-jr: do they know what they talk in #distroflamewar? |
| 07:34.34 | luke-jr | right now they're bashing me for being married I think |
| 07:35.13 | thux | ah i thought that they speak linux distributions |
| 07:35.37 | luke-jr | once upon a time |
| 07:35.45 | luke-jr | I think someone mentioned FreeBSD recently |
| 07:36.47 | thux | always wondered why distribution wars, same kernel, same programs |
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| 07:37.13 | luke-jr | thux: yeah, we should try arguing KDE vs GNOME instead |
| 07:37.39 | johnx | GNOME is better because it has more letters |
| 07:38.06 | thux | probably much better cause for war |
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| 07:39.04 | Corsac | Xfce is best anyway |
| 07:39.14 | luke-jr | Xfce is GTK |
| 07:39.15 | luke-jr | automatic fail |
| 07:39.35 | Corsac | you fail |
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| 07:41.45 | Myrtti | xfce4 ⥠|
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| 07:46.15 | RST38h | Real geeks need no desktop environment |
| 07:46.37 | RST38h | All they need is rm, ls, cp, mkdir, more, and mail |
| 07:46.53 | thux | do they need X? |
| 07:46.56 | RST38h | no. |
| 07:47.09 | RST38h | except as a way to run 4 xterms maybe |
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| 07:47.45 | johnx | i dunno. I would really miss stuff like screen |
| 07:48.03 | RST38h | johnx: ok, replace X with screen =) |
| 07:48.14 | johnx | I'm headed that way on my zaurus these days |
| 07:48.22 | thux | can graphical browsers run without X? |
| 07:48.25 | RST38h | (no, you are not getting lynx, use wget | more =)) |
| 07:48.39 | johnx | RST38h, fine, then s/mail/telnet/ |
| 07:48.46 | RST38h | thux: real geeks need no graphical browsers |
| 07:48.47 | johnx | mail is a sad, crippled subset of telnet |
| 07:48.58 | RST38h | johnx: true |
| 07:49.06 | RST38h | johnx: actually, no, not true |
| 07:49.22 | thux | ok thought they managed to run them in framebuffer somehow |
| 07:49.22 | RST38h | johnx: s/mail/more because "mail" actually works on a local folder |
| 07:49.38 | RST38h | johnx: of course you need no pop3 or imap |
| 07:49.52 | johnx | anyone who isn't on the local machine isn't worth talking to? |
| 07:49.55 | RST38h | johnx: these are evil and unsecure anyway |
| 07:50.07 | RST38h | johnx: sendmail will handle them for you |
| 07:50.11 | johnx | thux, they can in some cases |
| 07:50.16 | johnx | ugh. sendmail. |
| 07:50.32 | johnx | ok, I think you can keep your crusty old sendmail |
| 07:50.35 | thux | sendmail.cf |
| 07:50.37 | RST38h | you DO know how to configure sendmail.cf, don't you? ;) |
| 07:50.42 | RST38h | <Corsac> you fail |
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| 07:50.43 | RST38h | <Myrtti> xfce4 ο½?ο½ |
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| 07:50.57 | Corsac | hm? |
| 07:50.59 | RST38h | Shit, that was an accidental right mouse button press |
| 07:51.12 | RST38h | (see what I mean by saying that real geeks need no desktop environment? :)) |
| 07:51.22 | ceyusa | hehehe, |
| 07:51.33 | johnx | maybe you'd be better off with something that had a one-button mouse :> |
| 07:51.36 | Myrtti | uses xfce4 to get the terminal and the surroundings pink |
| 07:51.38 | Corsac | you just don't need a RMB |
| 07:51.43 | Corsac | johnx: aha :) |
| 07:51.45 | RST38h | johnx <-- evil! |
| 07:51.46 | thux | here in fi isps prevent :25 usage |
| 07:53.01 | thux | can't send mail or receive mail without relay to mail hub |
| 07:55.26 | RST38h | "20 tons of frozen fish stolen from a truck in the center of Moscow" |
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| 07:55.44 | RST38h | johnx: What would YOU do with 20 tons of stolen fish, btw? =) |
| 07:55.51 | johnx | RST38h, trucker's response: "not again!" |
| 07:56.25 | johnx | I have some sharp and nokia people to smack :> |
| 07:56.26 | RST38h | johnx: oh, that is not the worst no-again event that happened here |
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| 07:57.34 | RST38h | johnx: some Polish guy once broke an ammonia pipeline with lorry, that was hilarious |
| 07:58.04 | johnx | wow. bet it sucked to be him |
| 07:58.11 | RST38h | johnx: Especially considering that he fled afterwards |
| 07:58.21 | johnx | man, I'd run too |
| 07:58.29 | johnx | amonia is not the most awesome thing to breathe |
| 07:58.36 | johnx | it's not even on my top ten list |
| 07:58.53 | RST38h | johnx: "Fled" as in "ran away not wishing to be found" |
| 07:59.37 | johnx | i bet they found him anyways |
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| 08:00.02 | RST38h | johnx: most likely, I did not keep track of the story |
| 08:00.57 | RST38h | johnx: but the absolute crown is taken by the builders who hammered several piles into a running subway train |
| 08:01.30 | RST38h | johnx: ok, it wasn't running after the first one went in, but anyways |
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| 08:33.53 | testingleresting | hi |
| 08:38.15 | testingleresting | Where i can found nokia 770 programs? Thanks. |
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| 08:38.49 | johnx | there are some listed on maemo.org/downloads (under os2006), some listed on gronmayer.com/it |
| 08:39.04 | johnx | but there was never a really centralized place to find programs for os2006 |
| 08:39.28 | johnx | the situation gradually got better over time, but people kind of moved on from the 770 it seems |
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| 08:40.57 | testingleresting | thanks johnx i want to test a bluetooh gps with maemo mapper or another program with maps. |
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| 10:19.56 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo | The new maemo.org is launching tomorrow at 1200 UTC! | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog |
| 10:21.04 | lcuk | x-fade, are you playing at being manager today or have you rolled up your sleeves to do this one |
| 10:21.23 | X-Fade | lcuk: Check maemo2midgard commits ;) |
| 10:22.19 | GeneralAntilles | Just a long string of profanity? ;) |
| 10:22.34 | lcuk | looks oooh you have been busy / |
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| 10:43.31 | matmo | morning (just) all |
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| 11:11.47 | GeneralAntilles | Interesting. Reduced competition may be good for Nokia. http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20090422PD214.html |
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| 11:15.28 | RST38h | General: It is a crowded segment with no customers, so no wonder |
| 11:15.44 | RST38h | Probably does not affect Nokia much though |
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| 11:17.26 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, crowded how? |
| 11:17.32 | GeneralAntilles | There's barely a product on the market. |
| 11:17.48 | GeneralAntilles | I'd say the generic MID has plenty of customers. |
| 11:18.02 | GeneralAntilles | Intel's MID, however, is just too damn expensive and too laptop-like. |
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| 11:20.42 | RST38h | General: Well, let us see: samsung,lg,asus, and a bunch of chinese nonames all have mids |
| 11:21.08 | RST38h | General: local computer market here offers at least 5 different models |
| 11:21.13 | GeneralAntilles | Samsung has UMPCs |
| 11:21.19 | RST38h | General: But have you seen anyone actually BUYING them? |
| 11:21.35 | RST38h | General: MID, UMPC, what the hell is the difference? CPU price? |
| 11:21.43 | GeneralAntilles | Size |
| 11:21.50 | RST38h | About the same if you ask me |
| 11:21.57 | RST38h | There are smaller and larger ones |
| 11:21.58 | GeneralAntilles | Well, you'd be wrong. |
| 11:22.12 | RST38h | Well, even Samsung UMPC, which is pretty large, still isn't large enough |
| 11:22.17 | RST38h | Sony UMPC is tiny |
| 11:22.22 | GeneralAntilles | "tiny" |
| 11:22.47 | RST38h | Anyways, as a consumer, I see no difference between these, other than slight difference in size and in price |
| 11:22.49 | GeneralAntilles | Read up on the differences between the formfactors |
| 11:22.58 | GeneralAntilles | Of course your UMPCs (which are not MIDs) aren't selling. |
| 11:23.00 | RST38h | General: Oh, I know the official definition |
| 11:23.12 | RST38h | General: The thing is that neither is selling |
| 11:23.31 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia seems to be selling plenty of them. |
| 11:23.36 | RST38h | General: Netbooks sell as cheap laptops running Windoze. MIDs and UMPCs just do not sell |
| 11:23.48 | RST38h | General: NIT is not MID. |
| 11:23.49 | glass | umpc's tend to be called umpc's instead of mids because they cost a shitload |
| 11:23.56 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, this is a semantics argument. |
| 11:24.00 | RST38h | General: Intel defines MID as an Intel based device |
| 11:24.06 | GeneralAntilles | While I'm not interested in having (again). |
| 11:24.16 | RST38h | General: it is, partially, but look at it from a different point of view: |
| 11:24.20 | glass | expensive shit doesn't sell very well, doh.. |
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| 11:24.46 | RST38h | General: NIT is basically a smartphone + kbd |
| 11:25.05 | RST38h | General: MID is basically a laptop |
| 11:25.12 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, not interested in the semantics argument. |
| 11:25.25 | RST38h | General: It *may* sound like semantics but a customer who sees N8x0 sees a phone |
| 11:25.44 | RST38h | But when you see a MID or UMPC, you basically see a laptop without keyboard |
| 11:26.14 | glass | they see it as a phone only because it reads NOKIA on it |
| 11:26.16 | RST38h | two totally different devices for a layman |
| 11:26.29 | RST38h | glass: that too, but also because it sells at the same places as phones |
| 11:26.44 | RST38h | glass: and behaves like a nokia phone in many aspects |
| 11:26.49 | glass | whereas mids and umpc's you don't see for sale anywhere |
| 11:26.56 | RST38h | glass: I do |
| 11:27.05 | RST38h | glass: They sell with laptops, same outlets |
| 11:27.06 | glass | i don't, in general |
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| 11:27.12 | GeneralAntilles | Nor do I. |
| 11:27.13 | glass | i havent ever seen an oqo in flesh for example |
| 11:27.15 | RST38h | glass: In here, I see them |
| 11:27.35 | GeneralAntilles | I've seen the Sony UX in a Sony Store |
| 11:27.37 | GeneralAntilles | But nothing else. |
| 11:27.39 | RST38h | glass: I am pretty sure you can see them everywhere in APAC |
| 11:28.09 | RST38h | glass: Not Europe or US because there is just no use case |
| 11:28.31 | glass | there would be if they sold for 300e or so like the cheapo netbooks |
| 11:28.54 | glass | they sell like crazy here |
| 11:31.11 | GAN800 | I really want a 'New packages' feed in h-a-m. Extras has gotten full enough that scanning the full list doesn't work anymore. |
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| 11:33.18 | lcuk | am i meant to ummm "tweet" if i go to the toilet? |
| 11:34.03 | GeneralAntilles | Not only that, but you should tweet the walk to, the sit down, the debriefing, the actual activity and the after action report. |
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| 11:34.15 | RST38h | glass: i do not think they would really |
| 11:34.18 | GeneralAntilles | If you don't, you fail at twitter. |
| 11:34.19 | lcuk | pictures on flickr? |
| 11:34.41 | lcuk | !!! i could draw a diagram! |
| 11:34.44 | GeneralAntilles | Duh |
| 11:34.45 | RST38h | glass: if my theory about netbooks selling to be used as normal notebooks is correct, MID/UMPC has no chance |
| 11:34.49 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: yeah, a feed like this would be easy to provide: http://newstyle.maemo.org/downloads/updated/OS2008/25/ |
| 11:35.01 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, they aren't selling for that reason. |
| 11:35.10 | GeneralAntilles | They're selling as second or third machines. |
| 11:35.25 | GeneralAntilles | Which is the same reason tablets sell. |
| 11:35.30 | RST38h | General: key question: because of the price or because of the portability? |
| 11:35.42 | GeneralAntilles | Both |
| 11:35.47 | GeneralAntilles | Do nettops sell like hotcakes? |
| 11:35.53 | GeneralAntilles | They've certainly got the price. |
| 11:35.57 | RST38h | not many of those out et |
| 11:35.59 | RST38h | yet |
| 11:36.06 | GeneralAntilles | There are some. |
| 11:36.16 | glass | RST38h: most people i know who've bought netbooks also have proper comps, and have bought them solely for cheap price and portability |
| 11:36.22 | lcuk | size, laptops started to move to being bigger and bigger and heavier and people want smaller - but they find they have less power (obviously) and are caught in a "not all the time" bracket |
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| 11:37.27 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, size doesn't explain it. |
| 11:37.36 | GeneralAntilles | There were plenty of small laptops before netbooks came around. |
| 11:37.54 | GeneralAntilles | (size alone, that is) |
| 11:38.02 | glass | size and price |
| 11:38.11 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 11:38.22 | glass | the price being a very big factor, it's no use if it's portable if you're afraid to take it to the pub because of price |
| 11:39.16 | RST38h | glass: see, if people really wanted portability over price, they would buy real notebooks |
| 11:39.24 | RST38h | glass: apparently, they do want to price |
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| 11:39.56 | GeneralAntilles | You sound like you're refuting a point he made, but that's exactly the point he made 10 minutes ago. |
| 11:39.56 | RST38h | glass: and buy netbooks as cheap notebooks |
| 11:40.10 | RST38h | General: I do not understand what you mean :) |
| 11:40.30 | RST38h | The point is that MID is no notebook though, and people do not know what to do with it |
| 11:40.37 | glass | RST38h: 300e vs 1000, the guys/gals i know couldn't really have afforded more expensive either |
| 11:40.50 | RST38h | Or, returning to my original argument, "If it can't run MS Office, nobody will buy it" :) |
| 11:40.51 | glass | they'd have used the money before they would have gotten 1000 together |
| 11:41.05 | GeneralAntilles | That argument is clearly bull. |
| 11:41.16 | z4chh | i getting an n810. im so excited :D |
| 11:41.18 | GeneralAntilles | Fewer people will buy it. |
| 11:41.19 | RST38h | Please explain why it is "clearly" bull |
| 11:41.32 | RST38h | How much fewer? :) |
| 11:41.36 | locutus | RST38h: well, the price difference between netbooks and 'small laptops' i just to big |
| 11:41.42 | GeneralAntilles | But "nobody" and the sales numbers of devices in the category doesn't quite mesh up. |
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| 11:42.00 | locutus | RST38h: for the price of a 12" Thinkpad, you can buy 4 Netbooks |
| 11:42.00 | RST38h | General: mm...ok, example: |
| 11:42.08 | GeneralAntilles | Anyway, I'm not sure why I let myself be dragged back into this. |
| 11:42.15 | wazd | Hello Maemo |
| 11:42.16 | RST38h | All right |
| 11:42.20 | RST38h | hello wazd |
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| 11:42.45 | wazd | good'ol netbooks theme :P |
| 11:42.47 | RST38h | locutus: Wrong person, I wouldn't buy a Thinkpad even if it cost 1/2 the price of a netbook |
| 11:42.55 | locutus | grin |
| 11:43.00 | locutus | well, you get the idea (: |
| 11:43.46 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, yeah, not a complicated thing but I wish the new h-a-m guys would come out from behind the wall and get involved. |
| 11:44.24 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I would too. |
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| 11:47.16 | plastun | help me please with USB-networking |
| 11:47.36 | plastun | i set up connection both side: Nokia and my PC |
| 11:48.00 | Macer | ugh |
| 11:48.10 | plastun | there are PINGS from nokia to pc and from pc to nokia |
| 11:48.30 | plastun | but i couldn't go to Internet from Nokia |
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| 11:50.52 | sans | Hi |
| 11:52.00 | sans | while running qmake -project i am getting "/home/maemo/trial//trial.pro Unable to generate project file." in maemo fremantle |
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| 11:57.40 | sans | anybody can help me |
| 11:58.17 | sans | while running qmake -project i am getting "/home/maemo/trial//trial.pro Unable to generate project file." in maemo 5 |
| 12:01.46 | danielwilms | plastun: which system are u using?? and which instructions to set up the connection?? have u followed up this: http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking ?? |
| 12:02.39 | danielwilms | plastun: if u are using linux there are perhaps some firewall issues?? |
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| 12:05.03 | plastun | danielwilms: a have read this wiki |
| 12:05.09 | plastun | i use Ubuntu 8.10 |
| 12:06.03 | danielwilms | plastun: hmmm have u checked the hint with the firewall issues there?? |
| 12:06.34 | plastun | i have no firewall |
| 12:07.28 | plastun | strange thing: i ping my machine, ok |
| 12:07.38 | plastun | i ping google.com - "bad address" |
| 12:08.01 | sans | while running qmake -project i am getting "/home/maemo/trial//trial.pro Unable to generate project file." in maemo 5 |
| 12:08.09 | sans | any help :) |
| 12:13.11 | GeneralAntilles | Does <title>maemo.org - Home of the Maemo community</title> sound agreeable to everybody? ;) |
| 12:13.13 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa? |
| 12:13.53 | X-Fade | Ok, now I'm going to move the community and development in place. |
| 12:14.56 | GeneralAntilles | This is where the server explodes. |
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| 12:17.34 | tekojo | X-Fade: newstyle! |
| 12:17.54 | X-Fade | tekojo: Yeah, not done yet.. But getting there ;) |
| 12:18.15 | tekojo | Frontpage is good enough for me .-) |
| 12:18.21 | X-Fade | lol |
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| 12:26.50 | danielwilms | plastun thats in deed strange...sorry....haven't found something else related to this...perhaps u could try the iptables entries...wouldn't hurt :) |
| 12:27.23 | plastun | danielwilms: i'll digg it... thanks |
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| 13:02.55 | RST38h | back |
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| 13:05.26 | RST38h | looks at the mess that is the "new" maemo.org. Should have just kept it as it was... |
| 13:07.17 | GeneralAntilles | Always helpful RST38h. |
| 13:10.07 | RST38h | General: I have tried being helpful before on this subject |
| 13:10.42 | RST38h | None of my help has been taken into account though, so website is mostly a mashup of seemingly random items |
| 13:11.43 | RST38h | Actually, I can start filing bugs on particular problems with website organization but of course they will all be considered "rants" |
| 13:12.12 | GeneralAntilles | Because your bugs usually are rants. |
| 13:12.19 | RST38h | ok. |
| 13:12.20 | GeneralAntilles | Try to consider that your own opinion may not be the only valid one. |
| 13:12.35 | wazd | mine is >:D |
| 13:12.38 | wazd | oh |
| 13:12.42 | wazd | bad smile |
| 13:12.44 | wazd | :D |
| 13:12.46 | RST38h | Try to make a difference between facts and opinion. |
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| 13:13.51 | RST38h | For example, the main page (/) for some reason contains two huge panes named "HOT" and "FRESH" + some other random items |
| 13:14.11 | RST38h | One would expect to see news there, but you have to scroll down for the news |
| 13:14.26 | RST38h | So, where is "opinion"? |
| 13:14.37 | wazd | RST38h: well, if you think that maemo.org is bad, check out http://www.ubuntu.com/ |
| 13:15.18 | wazd | Especially "Do it with Ubuntu" t-shirts :D |
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| 13:16.05 | RST38h | wazd: I can check msdn.microsoft.com or www.msnbc.com for a case of bad design |
| 13:16.40 | suihkulokki | I enter a random url to my browser and see bad design |
| 13:17.22 | wazd | RST38h: well, msnbc is not that bad :) |
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| 13:18.50 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: btw I have an idea bout "random members of maemo community" |
| 13:19.16 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: No one cares bout -random- members, but it would be great section for member highlighting |
| 13:19.29 | wazd | specified member |
| 13:20.03 | X-Fade | wazd: That is still in the plans somewhere. |
| 13:20.16 | wazd | X-Fade: great |
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| 13:21.05 | wazd | I see 1 visual bug here: http://maemo.org/profile/list/ |
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| 13:21.30 | wazd | left borders of the row are all same color but rows aren't |
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| 13:24.19 | wazd | and again what I meant under "sensless stuff". |
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| 13:24.24 | RST38h | What is that huge orange diamond at the right of http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ ? |
| 13:24.26 | wazd | check out: http://maemo.org/profile/view/trin20t/ |
| 13:24.44 | wazd | 0.25 is 1px smaller than 3 |
| 13:25.06 | wazd | so all this graph stuff actually shows nothing |
| 13:25.36 | wazd | Why spend precious time to make that stuff, I don't know |
| 13:25.55 | wazd | RST38h: it's a scrollbar :) |
| 13:26.11 | RST38h | wazd: ohmygod... |
| 13:26.38 | RST38h | And I haven't even tried to look at this site from MicroB yet... |
| 13:27.24 | wazd | RST38h: well, I can't see anything that microb can't handle |
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| 13:29.23 | RST38h | wazd: slashdot doesn't look like much either but brings microb to its knees |
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| 13:30.34 | wazd | I just got one paradox thing :) |
| 13:31.06 | wazd | First manufacturers claim "desktop like" experience on the handhelds |
| 13:31.29 | wazd | And then make guides how to make "handheld-optimized" site :) |
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| 13:38.49 | RST38h | wazd: Well, even if you have got a real browser in your tablet, you still have limited memory and cpu |
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| 13:39.03 | RST38h | wazd: so, yes, it will suck with what is considered a "modern website" :) |
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| 13:39.51 | RST38h | Ironically, Intel claims that Atom bring "desktop browsing experience" as compared with S60/iPhone/NIT/etc |
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| 13:41.37 | Stskeeps | curious - matchbox1 svn update |
| 13:41.51 | Stskeeps | maybe diablo isn't all dead |
| 13:42.36 | RST38h | Sts: Only if Nokia engineers figure out a way to semiofficially update it... |
| 13:42.56 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, you missed -developers, I guess. |
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| 13:46.42 | Khertan1 | RST38h: Ironically, Intel claims that Atom bring "desktop browsing experience" << they propably mean with a windows desktop and virus made for windows ! |
| 13:47.04 | RST38h | Khertan: Absolutely :) |
| 13:47.23 | RST38h | General: No, I kept track of that particular thread =) |
| 13:47.52 | wazd | http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/22/polymer-vision-has-readius-ready-to-go-needs-cash-to-push-it-ou/ <- like that concept |
| 13:49.36 | Khertan1 | wazd: which concept ? the ui or hw ? |
| 13:49.46 | wazd | Khertan1: hardware) |
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| 14:06.58 | radic | is abiword already ported? |
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| 14:09.29 | RST38h | radic: yes but not fully functional |
| 14:10.02 | radic | hmpf |
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| 14:14.07 | luke-jr | gah! GPS is proprietary? :/ |
| 14:15.08 | Stskeeps | reverse engineer it? |
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| 14:16.51 | radic | is there a way to incrase the volume ? |
| 14:18.08 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: that simple, eh? |
| 14:18.36 | radic | on OS2007 was my n800 louder... |
| 14:21.05 | StsN800 | luke-jr, you'd be surprised |
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| 14:41.34 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, ready for a nap yet? |
| 14:42.07 | X-Fade | No, still some issues. So no time to sleep. |
| 14:42.24 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, sounds like it'll never be nap time. ;) |
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| 15:35.52 | lopz | hola |
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| 15:38.16 | gomiam | hola |
| 15:38.37 | gomiam | pero más te vale saber inglés porque la mayorÃa no entiende español ;) |
| 15:41.30 | slonopotamus | understandable, in general :) |
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| 16:07.09 | Jaffa | Is there a relatively good full screen timer for Maemo? There was a Python one which ate batteries |
| 16:07.27 | Jaffa | Hmm. With a compositing window manager, having a persistent semi-transparent one floating in a corner could be quite useful |
| 16:08.14 | qwerty12 | Matchbox has the nice effect of breaking on Maemo when you compile it with compositing support... |
| 16:08.17 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 16:08.19 | StsN800 | eggtimer? |
| 16:08.28 | qwerty12 | But xcompmgr and transset-df are in -devel... |
| 16:08.30 | ShadowJK | compositing sounds like battery-eating too :-) |
| 16:09.55 | Jaffa | Not in Fremantle :) |
| 16:10.10 | Jaffa | As long as it stops updating when the screen is off, or its obscured etc. |
| 16:10.59 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: EggTimer's a bit fugly, and counts down - I want to count up (giving a 10 minute briefing on Friday about the Oracle/Sun acquisition) |
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| 16:11.44 | GeneralAntilles | itT is so silly |
| 16:12.49 | qwerty12 | The only complaint I have is that I get a nice zoom effect when logging in - instead of being transferred to the https part |
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| 16:18.16 | Woolly-work | howdy, anyone know how to get numpy working in maemo? |
| 16:20.14 | GeneralAntilles | Install it? |
| 16:20.41 | Woolly-work | I cant find the package |
| 16:22.28 | GeneralAntilles | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/n/numptyphysics/ |
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| 16:23.54 | StsN800 | i think he means python-numpy |
| 16:24.21 | Woolly-work | StsN800: that's the one |
| 16:25.35 | StsN800 | it may be part of std python on maemo |
| 16:25.47 | qwerty12 | Nay |
| 16:25.54 | Woolly-work | nope, it's numeric :( |
| 16:26.09 | qwerty12 | The only time you'll see Numpy in Maemo is in Fremantle |
| 16:26.22 | Woolly-work | damn |
| 16:27.17 | Woolly-work | i've been trying to get numpy on the tablet, so I could then install pycv for face detection |
| 16:27.25 | Woolly-work | any ideas of another way to do it? |
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| 16:31.26 | slonopotamus | hehe |
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| 16:32.22 | GeneralAntilles | Capitalization is important. . . . |
| 16:32.57 | Woolly-work | capitalisation? |
| 16:33.15 | locutus | the thing with Uncle Jack and all that |
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| 17:07.45 | GeneralAntilles | 2000! Time for me to retire. |
| 17:10.41 | fzero | Little survey. |
| 17:10.52 | fzero | Anyone here using FBReader gets random reboots? |
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| 17:13.53 | Guest8916_098 | any idea why make: *** [install] Error 127 dpkg-buildpackage: failure: fakeroot debian/rules binary gave error exit status 2 |
| 17:21.40 | Guest8916_098 | any idea why make: *** [install] Error 127 dpkg-buildpackage: failure: fakeroot debian/rules binary gave error exit status 2 |
| 17:27.15 | mgedmin | Guest8916_098: the reason for that was printed in the lines above |
| 17:27.30 | mgedmin | fzero: no, not any more |
| 17:28.07 | mgedmin | clarification: (*) when I used to get random reboots I finally blamed some home applet (omweather?) |
| 17:28.17 | mgedmin | (*) I don't have the latest version of fbreader |
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| 17:29.03 | fzero | mgedmin: Well, there's a bug posted on the FBreader site about random reboots |
| 17:29.17 | mgedmin | waits for the url patiently |
| 17:29.29 | fzero | I thought it could be a home applet too, more specifically hometools (which is awesome). |
| 17:29.49 | fzero | But it still happens after I removed all home applets. |
| 17:30.02 | mgedmin | and statusbar applets too? |
| 17:30.16 | fzero | Hm, no. |
| 17:30.22 | fzero | I'll try that next. |
| 17:31.06 | fzero | Anyway it'll be a pity if I can't use my current applets. It's weird because it only happens with FBreader. |
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| 17:31.12 | ShadowJK | how's fbreader with memory usage? |
| 17:31.14 | fzero | Is there any alternative to it? |
| 17:31.29 | fzero | Which works with non-pdf content. |
| 17:31.44 | GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, fine. |
| 17:32.25 | fzero | ShadowJK: Seems fine. I'm using the system load applet on the statusbar to monitor that. |
| 17:32.41 | fzero | It doesn't seem to be leaking |
| 17:32.43 | ShadowJK | I found it virtually useless for monitoring anything at all.. |
| 17:33.12 | fzero | ShadowJK: At least you can see if the memory is getting full. |
| 17:33.48 | fzero | I'm using some swapspace on the internal card. I know this can also be a problem, but as I said before, it only happens with fbreader. |
| 17:33.48 | ShadowJK | Which, perhaps surprisingly, isn't as useful a measure as you'd think.. |
| 17:34.01 | fzero | ShadowJK: Yep, I know. |
| 17:34.40 | fzero | ShadowJK: what do you recommend? top? |
| 17:35.14 | ShadowJK | About the only useful thing I've found is to run vmstat 1 and/or vmstat 5 on another computer/tablet through ssh |
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| 17:35.46 | ShadowJK | If it's memory pressure that's killing it, the figures in the WA column will increase, output from vmstat might cease, and if it doesn't recover, the watchdog reboots the device |
| 17:35.59 | ShadowJK | Unfortunately I don't think vmstat is in extras :( |
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| 17:36.37 | fzero | Let's see... |
| 17:36.41 | fzero | I have my n800 here |
| 17:36.44 | fzero | let me hook it. |
| 17:40.30 | fzero | no vmstat. :( |
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| 17:48.25 | qwerty12_N800 | I have vmstat in diablo, but that's a result of forcing procps to install & removing busybox's conflict with it |
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| 17:50.02 | ShadowJK | I installed gcc and compiled vmstat... |
| 17:50.28 | fzero | Is it normal to have lots of /usr/sbin/browserd running? |
| 17:50.42 | fzero | I downloaded htop btw |
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| 17:50.55 | fzero | it's no vmstat but you get a nice view of the system |
| 17:50.59 | ShadowJK | two browserd, two browser |
| 17:51.02 | ShadowJK | (probably) |
| 17:51.20 | fzero | that's about right |
| 17:51.58 | Guest8916_098 | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: hildon-theme-layout-4-synth (>= 0.14.9-1synth2) dpkg-buildpackage: warning: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting. |
| 17:52.06 | Guest8916_098 | ??? |
| 17:52.41 | Guest8916_098 | i need to put folder of depandancy in my application folder or what? |
| 17:53.19 | fzero | whoa the GUI restarted |
| 17:53.36 | ShadowJK | that sounds bad :) |
| 17:53.39 | ShadowJK | after doing what? |
| 17:53.56 | fzero | AH, ok, not its fault |
| 17:54.12 | fzero | the wifi at the office had problems |
| 17:54.18 | fzero | Xchat on n800 blew up |
| 17:54.45 | Guest8916_098 | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: hildon-theme-layout-4-synth (>= 0.14.9-1synth2) dpkg-buildpackage: warning: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting. |
| 17:54.47 | Guest8916_098 | ?? |
| 17:55.03 | fzero | aaaand the home screen is blank |
| 17:55.07 | fzero | time for a reboot. |
| 17:56.24 | ShadowJK | Guest8916_098, I have no idea what you're trying to do, but generally if I encounter unmet dependencies, I'd try install them, for example apt-get install hildon-theme-layout-4-synth |
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| 17:59.47 | Guest8916_098 | i installed |
| 18:00.29 | Guest8916_098 | if my stuff before packaging is in x folder...i need to put a depandancie in this folder or beside? |
| 18:04.50 | fzero | Ok, gotta work, gonna try some more diags at home. |
| 18:04.57 | fzero | ShadowJK: Thanks for the pointers. |
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| 18:07.35 | Guest8916_098 | how to change shell for bash? |
| 18:07.53 | ShadowJK | dependencies need to be installed |
| 18:08.07 | Guest8916_098 | i allready installe bash |
| 18:08.16 | Guest8916_098 | but i dont know how to switch |
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| 18:13.46 | igagis | Hi |
| 18:14.32 | igagis | is anybody aware when did libasound2 update in repository to 1.0.19? |
| 18:14.46 | igagis | I have strange dependency problem |
| 18:16.02 | igagis | autobuilder created a package of my app and indicated a dependency on libasound2 >>1.0.18 I have 1.0.14 on my tablet and it does not want to update to 1.0.19 for some reason |
| 18:16.08 | ShadowJK | I'd just type bash in terminal.. |
| 18:16.14 | qwerty12_N800 | yes, maybe X-Fade can remove the newer version of libasound uploaded to extras-devel. |
| 18:17.04 | GeneralAntilles | Just keep shoveling it on X-Fade. ;) |
| 18:17.04 | igagis | qwerty12_N800: does autobuilder uses extras-devel when resolving dependancies when building? |
| 18:17.38 | qwerty12_N800 | igagis: yep |
| 18:18.07 | igagis | qwerty12_N800: is it normal? |
| 18:18.14 | Guest8916_098 | tx |
| 18:19.06 | qwerty12_N800 | igagis: yep, or anything using libs that aren't shipped with diablo would never be built :) |
| 18:20.07 | qwerty12_N800 | igagis: you may be force it to use the right version with a (= <right version>) rule for libasound in your build deps for now |
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| 18:20.42 | qwerty12_N800 | But the real solution is getting the package removed from -devel |
| 18:20.43 | igagis | I thought that extras-devel is only for testing... it is ok to use extras for dependencies, but should extras-devel be used? |
| 18:20.52 | igagis | ok |
| 18:21.28 | GeneralAntilles | Damn Tim! |
| 18:21.40 | qwerty12_N800 | igagis: yes, as the builder builds for -devel only, not extras - be a pain to promote each time :) |
| 18:22.01 | GeneralAntilles | I still have that stupid song stuck in my head. |
| 18:22.07 | igagis | qwerty12_N800: ok, thanks for explanation ;-) |
| 18:22.42 | RST38h | moos woefully |
| 18:23.51 | RST38h | Apparently, there is still some bug in ARMonARM :( Salt Lake City Olympics 2002 fails. |
| 18:24.44 | qwerty12_N800 | baa RST38h |
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| 18:27.09 | RST38h | Time to whip out my super duper trace comparison tool |
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| 18:33.14 | RST38h | Ah I see what is going on |
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| 18:44.20 | Jaffa | re |
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| 19:35.50 | plastun | are there python bindings for QT3? |
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| 19:54.23 | lbt | plastun: Qt3 on maemo? |
| 19:54.38 | plastun | yes, qt3 on maemo |
| 19:54.39 | lbt | AFAIK you can't get Qt3 on maemo.... |
| 19:54.49 | lbt | so no |
| 19:55.01 | lbt | Qt4.5 is there |
| 19:55.20 | lbt | and I the PyQt stuff is running with it |
| 19:55.49 | plastun | ok, thanks |
| 19:56.56 | pupnik | tear needs copy paste fix |
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| 20:14.00 | luke-jr | plastun: Qt3 is obsolete |
| 20:24.29 | Guest8916_098 | anyway to erase some files in root folder on ubuntu (but erase in files broser instead terminal command) ? |
| 20:26.15 | plastun | gksu nautilus |
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| 20:44.43 | GeneralAntilles | The Development, Community and Support pages look really hot. |
| 20:45.50 | keesj | all very nice indeed |
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| 20:48.55 | lbt | eh? |
| 20:50.32 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, http://maemo.org/community/ |
| 20:50.57 | woglinde | hm |
| 20:50.57 | lbt | ooh |
| 20:51.00 | lbt | orangey |
| 20:51.09 | woglinde | the startpage was better in the old one |
| 20:51.15 | woglinde | now have to scroll down for news |
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| 20:51.27 | GeneralAntilles | woglinde, yeah, the frontpage needs some tweaking. |
| 20:51.33 | GeneralAntilles | 1.1 ;) |
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| 20:56.20 | lbt | on this page: http://maemo.org/news/ all the items in the RHS bar seem to have a trailing / in the href |
| 20:56.57 | GeneralAntilles | As they should |
| 20:57.17 | lbt | http://stezz.blogspot.com/2009/04/really-convert-your-svn-to-git-with-one.html/ |
| 20:57.20 | lbt | really? |
| 20:57.57 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, well, click them. :P |
| 20:58.10 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, different links. |
| 20:58.14 | lbt | Sorry, the page you were looking for in the blog somethingMeaningful does not exist. |
| 20:58.19 | lbt | :D |
| 20:58.38 | GeneralAntilles | Was looknig at the navigation links. |
| 20:59.07 | lbt | cool - you see it too? |
| 20:59.12 | lbt | some work (by luck) |
| 20:59.22 | lbt | anyhow, FYI |
| 21:00.53 | GeneralAntilles | Filing a bug |
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| 21:17.17 | Guest1273_449 | #inkscape |
| 21:17.55 | Guest1273_449 | #nick labaudio |
| 21:18.52 | labaudio | hello all |
| 21:20.45 | andre___ | hands over a / |
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| 21:38.25 | Proteous | calls andre__'s / and raises him a o/ |
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| 22:19.59 | plastun | how can i change width of GtkVScrollbar? I see it in standard multimedia player |
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| 22:25.11 | wazd | plastun: wide scrollbar is another widget as I remember |
| 22:25.46 | plastun | hw... i dont know about it |
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| 22:31.35 | wazd | hm, can't find it in the reference |
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| 23:01.54 | Woolly | has anyone compiled opencv for maemo? |
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| 23:09.55 | Woolly | has anyone compiled opencv for maemo before? |
| 23:14.30 | Proteous | has anyone compiled opencv for maemo yet? |
| 23:15.12 | Proteous | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=opencv+maemo |
| 23:16.11 | Proteous | it was tough, but after hours if intensive research I have found you and answer!!! |
| 23:16.19 | Proteous | s/and/an/ |
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