IRC log for #maemo on 20090421

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`00:42.04`	`*** join/#maemo CutMeOwnThroat (n=XXXy@chem014237.chem.northwestern.edu)`
`00:51.12`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`can diablo do wpa2 wireless connections?`
`00:51.48`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`(my attempt so far failed, but might be something else)`
`00:52.42`	`johnx`	`some tipes. wpa2 psk appears to be no problem`
`00:53.46`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`hm`
`00:54.32`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`psk?`
`00:54.40`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`oh, I see`
`00:55.36`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`hm, don't think so - it's the university network`
`00:56.00`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`and you just use your uni-id/password to log in`
`00:56.44`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`but I've never needed to use it before, so ... might need to be enabled or something (although I don't think so)`
`00:57.36`	`johnx`	`pre-shared key I think it means`
`00:57.40`	`johnx`	`the normal kind you find on home routers`
`00:57.42`	`johnx`	`or are you at a college or something?`
`00:58.01`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`yeah`
`00:58.21`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`always used cable with the computers, though`
`00:58.36`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`so I never seriously tried to use their wireless net`
`00:59.15`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`it's either wpa2 or an unencrypted connection and you've got to use a vpn to reach anything`
`01:00.32`	`*** join/#maemo x29a__ (n=x29a@unaffiliated/x29a)`
`01:07.12`	`johnx`	`do you use eduroam?`
`01:07.33`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`ignorance is bliss :)`
`01:07.56`	`johnx`	`does your school have a page with explanation/instructions about the network?`
`01:08.03`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`yeah`
`01:08.27`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`and that seemed to include all important information`
`01:08.59`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`oh, no, not eudoram (never heard of it before)`
`01:09.23`	`johnx`	`well, I'm a little busy/distracted right now, but if you post a link to that page, people might have suggestions for you (or they might not)`
`01:09.59`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`I've got a lot to explore right now :)`
`01:10.13`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`got that thing today - but of course would be much funnier with net`
`01:10.31`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`well... will see how it goes at home`
`01:12.45`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`this one is for xp http://www.it.northwestern.edu/oncampus/wireless/wireless-connections/wireless-win.html`
`01:12.56`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`seemed to cover most things`
`01:13.02`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`so didn't check out the vista one`
`01:13.38`	`johnx`	`aaah, with PEAP`
`01:13.53`	`johnx`	`have you checked for any info on itt?`
`01:13.54`	`johnx`	`~itt`
`01:13.55`	`infobot`	`methinks itt is the forums on internettablettalk.com ( http://internettablettalk.com/forums )`
`01:14.16`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`well, the 'connection manager' on this device does offer peap as an option`
`01:14.44`	`johnx`	`IIRC, there's kind of a trick to it or something`
`01:14.55`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`heh, that sounds hopeful`
`01:15.14`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`not that I get much signal in my office anyway :(`
`01:15.38`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`but something is better than nothing`
`01:17.35`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`johnx, cool, thanks seems there's a thread for it ...`
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`01:29.00`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`well, this is it http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12343&highlight=maemo+peap&page=2`
`01:29.16`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`will check the links after dinner to see if there's a solution`
`01:29.32`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`might help to get the certificate (there should be one...)`
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`01:35.31`	`spcui`	`Hi, guys`
`01:35.41`	`FireFox-3`	`hello`
`01:36.43`	`spcui`	`How to debug Home plugins in N810?`
`01:36.58`	`spcui`	`i'm developing with Python now.`
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`02:04.34`	`kcowolf`	`shoot`
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`02:27.09`	`jaem`	`hey folks`
`02:27.18`	`zakkm`	`heyy`
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`02:28.14`	`jaem`	`would someone with a scratchbox setup handy mind doing me a quick favour? I need a binary of fanoush's kbdd with the elektex patch, and I don't have access to my build server at the moment`
`02:29.04`	`jaem`	`for some reason, the only binary on the site doesn't include that :S`
`02:30.35`	`zakkm`	`jaem: sorry, dont have scratchbox :(`
`02:30.48`	`jaem`	`hmm`
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`02:31.00`	`jaem`	`itT post says the binary should include that, but I didn't see it`
`02:31.01`	`jaem`	`hrm`
`02:31.04`	`jaem`	`doublechecks`
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`02:33.12`	`jaem`	`huh`
`02:33.20`	`jaem`	`I could swear it wasn't there before`
`02:33.22`	`jaem`	`is crazy`
`02:33.28`	`zakkm`	`agrees`
`02:34.58`	`*** join/#maemo Freddy_ (n=root@adsl-90.dacor.net)`
`02:35.14`	`FireFox`	`hello Freddy`
`02:35.25`	`Freddy_`	`hey`
`02:36.12`	`FireFox`	`~burn himself`
`02:36.13`	`infobot`	`ACTION pours gasoline all over himself, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze`
`02:36.13`	`Freddy_`	`watch what??`
`02:36.25`	`FireFox`	`lol`
`02:36.53`	`jaem`	`woot!`
`02:36.57`	`jaem`	`it works`
`02:37.08`	`FireFox`	`yup :)`
`02:37.08`	`jaem`	`just got a fabric keyboard in the mail`
`02:38.17`	`kcowolf`	`fabric keyboard?`
`02:38.38`	`Freddy_`	`infobot: kill himself`
`02:38.38`	`infobot`	`ACTION shoots a magneto-ionized fluxelectron gun at himself`
`02:38.45`	`FireFox`	`lol`
`02:39.14`	`kcowolf`	`heh`
`02:39.20`	`spcui`	`Can anybody tell me how to debug home plugins in N810?`
`02:39.23`	`Freddy_`	`infobot: kill himself`
`02:39.24`	`infobot`	`ACTION shoots a magneto-ionized neutrino gun at himself`
`02:39.24`	`zakkm`	`learns he isnt able to attend the autodesk event in 8 hours, due to lack of time /sleep`
`02:40.05`	`Freddy_`	`infobot: blowup`
`02:40.09`	`kcowolf`	`Sorry it's not maemo related, but has anyone had success with Ubuntu on an external card?`
`02:40.17`	`Freddy_`	`infobot: blow up`
`02:40.17`	`infobot`	`ACTION blows up`
`02:40.18`	`johnx`	`spcui, not entirely sure if this would work, but maybe try running strace on hildon-desktop in scratchbox?`
`02:40.37`	`zakkm`	`kcowolf: whats not working about it?`
`02:40.39`	`spcui`	`i'm developing with python`
`02:40.41`	`Freddy_`	`infobot:`
`02:40.48`	`Freddy_`	`infobot`
`02:41.00`	`Freddy_`	`hi guys!`
`02:41.05`	`kcowolf`	`well, I think I finally got the bootmenu item correct, but every time I try to start it up it crashes`
`02:41.09`	`FireFox`	`:P`
`02:41.29`	`zakkm`	`kcowolf: the tablet stops working? just shows nokia logo and turns off?`
`02:41.46`	`*** join/#maemo romeus1 (n=romeus1@bas15-montrealak-1178059899.dsl.bell.ca)`
`02:41.47`	`romeus1`	`hello`
`02:42.09`	`kcowolf`	`It shows something like "booting Ubuntu Jaunty on external (mmcblk0p2)" for a few seconds, then blacks out and reboots`
`02:42.28`	`jaem`	`kcowolf: what did you enter for the device name in the *.item?`
`02:42.30`	`zakkm`	`could i see bootmenu item?`
`02:42.42`	`zakkm`	`like all text in it, pastebin'd`
`02:43.10`	`spcui`	`johnx: it hasnot /usr/share/applications/hildon-home dir in scratchbox.`
`02:43.26`	`romeus1`	`I've been playing with USB host on my N800 today, and I've managed to get hard drive and stick working... I just plugged in my logitech USB headset and it's being detected (Bus 001 Device 026: ID 046d:0a01 Logitech, Inc.) how do I got about setting it up?`
`02:43.55`	`zakkm`	`romeus1: doesnt automatically work out of box?`
`02:44.28`	`jaem`	`zakkm: I wouldn't expect it to`
`02:44.42`	`zakkm`	`ohh usb`
`02:44.47`	`jaem`	`I haven't checked, but USB audio isn't one of the things I would expect Nokia to compile in`
`02:44.55`	`jaem`	`you'd need the kernel module, most likely`
`02:44.56`	`zakkm`	`yeah i was thinking of normal headphone jack`
`02:45.00`	`jaem`	`and I'm afraid I can't help you there`
`02:45.15`	`spcui`	`johnx: so i want to gdb home plugins app in N810.`
`02:45.26`	`zakkm`	`johnx is here?`
`02:45.35`	`kcowolf`	`zakkm: http://pastebin.com/d1e70ff0c`
`02:45.40`	`romeus1`	`what would I have to do to get the kernel module for USB headsets?`
`02:45.56`	`zakkm`	`romeus1: more than its worth.`
`02:46.08`	`romeus1`	`lol`
`02:46.15`	`jaem`	`zakkm: that depends on how much value romeus1 places on it`
`02:46.15`	`zakkm`	`kcowolf: partition 2?`
`02:46.18`	`jaem`	`but it would be a lot of work`
`02:46.26`	`jaem`	`and not easy`
`02:46.30`	`Freddy_`	`infobot: you suck`
`02:46.31`	`infobot`	`and very well I might add`
`02:46.40`	`romeus1`	`lol @ infobot`
`02:46.51`	`FireFox`	`haha`
`02:47.00`	`zakkm`	`romeus: why do you need a headset, it has builtin speaker and mic, just attach normal headphones for speaker purposes, and just use the builtin mic, its highly sensitive`
`02:47.04`	`kcowolf`	`zakkm: that's what it is, not sure waht it should be`
`02:47.20`	`zakkm`	`kcowolf: did you install ubuntu to partition 2?`
`02:47.24`	`romeus1`	`hmm, lots of work and not easy - that's not a good combination`
`02:47.41`	`kcowolf`	`zakkm: actually, that should be partition 3, shouldn't it? partition 2 is the swap`
`02:47.49`	`zakkm`	`so change it`
`02:47.53`	`zakkm`	`ITEM_DEVICE="${EXT_CARD}p3"`
`02:47.55`	`kcowolf`	`I'll hit myself in the forehead if that's it`
`02:48.06`	`jaem`	`'s CAPS_LOCK is locked`
`02:48.10`	`jaem`	`kcowolf: it most likely is`
`02:48.17`	`zakkm`	`kcowolf: it would be.`
`02:48.23`	`jaem`	`and I don't mean locked like a CAPS lock key should be`
`02:48.25`	`zakkm`	`kcowolf: reinstall bootloader after changing that.`
`02:48.29`	`jaem`	`I mean locked into lock mode`
`02:48.37`	`romeus1`	`zakkm> I was trying out various mods today on my N800, I installed the 48mhz kernel mod for SDHC/MMC cards... I started playing with USB and wanted to see how far i could take it... could I plug a webcam into the usb?`
`02:48.39`	`Navi`	`USB headsets are a headache, even on desktop Linux`
`02:49.19`	`zakkm`	`romeus1: i dont see the purpose for a true headset, just use a normal headphones for speaker.. and use the builtin mic, your be surprised how sensitive it is`
`02:49.41`	`jaem`	`romeus1: as zakkm says, the internal mic is really good, considering`
`02:49.43`	`romeus1`	`yeah, it's actually pretty good, I've used it for skype calls quite a bit`
`02:50.05`	`luke-jr`	`gah`
`02:50.06`	`jaem`	`however, if you really want a headset, it probably could be done, but if you haven't messed around with the kernel before, it won't be pretty`
`02:50.06`	`romeus1`	`has anybody tried to attach a webcam to the n800?`
`02:50.08`	`zakkm`	`if you dont want people to hear the other end, guessing purpose you wanted headset, put in normal headphones`
`02:50.10`	`luke-jr`	`loadkeys doesn't affect X11? :/`
`02:50.12`	`kcowolf`	`hits himself in the forehead`
`02:50.37`	`kcowolf`	`briefly considers stabbing himself in the eye with his stylus, but decides against it`
`02:50.44`	`zakkm`	`romeus1: the tablet isnt as expandable as you might think ;p`
`02:50.54`	`romeus1`	`it's really cool, I was playing Neogeo games with a Saitek gamepad on it`
`02:50.58`	`romeus1`	`lol`
`02:51.12`	`luke-jr`	`romeus1: 48mhz kernel mod for SDHC/MMC cards?`
`02:51.28`	`kcowolf`	`zakkm: thanks for your help`
`02:52.09`	`zakkm`	`kcowolf: im sure thats it, it would boot off "swap" and then fail, and show blank.. but if something breaks after that fix or something do ask ;p`
`02:52.10`	`romeus1`	`luke-jr> yeah, it allows for faster read/write rates from SDHC/MMC cards... I believe the default kernel reads at about Class 2 speeds... the mod will allow for Class 6 apparently`
`02:52.25`	`luke-jr`	`romeus1: oooooooh`
`02:52.28`	`luke-jr`	`romeus1: POINTER PLZ`
`02:52.41`	`luke-jr`	`romeus1: my root fs is on class 6 SD!@`
`02:52.53`	`zakkm`	`heh`
`02:53.02`	`romeus1`	`luke-jr> http://intr.overt.org/blog/?p=71`
`02:53.04`	`zakkm`	`fanoush does 48mhz doesnt he?`
`02:53.19`	`luke-jr`	`btw, it is hilarious to see two trolls trying to troll each other`
`02:53.21`	`romeus1`	`fanoush does but this one is for the latest kernel`
`02:53.32`	`kcowolf`	`okay, I got the "boot stalls after 99%" error mentioned on the forum`
`02:53.37`	`luke-jr`	`romeus1: I suspect I will need to build my own kernel anyway`
`02:53.57`	`zakkm`	`kcowolf: you wait a while? that last 1% is the lnogest`
`02:54.03`	`romeus1`	`luke-jr> if you're using 5.2008.43 then it's really easy`
`02:54.06`	`zakkm`	`kcowolf: also wait like few min, take out battery, boot it again.`
`02:54.16`	`luke-jr`	`romeus1: what's that?`
`02:54.23`	`zakkm`	`romeus1: care to share kernel link`
`02:54.33`	`romeus1`	`zakkm> http://intr.overt.org/5.2008.43-mmc-kernel/`
`02:55.15`	`romeus1`	`pretty simple mod, but works great`
`02:55.18`	`zakkm`	`thank you`
`02:55.24`	`romeus1`	`my pleasure :)`
`02:55.32`	`kcowolf`	`looks like the problem may be due to a missing desktop environment`
`02:55.35`	`romeus1`	`thank Philip Langdale`
`02:55.46`	`zakkm`	`kcowolf: you didnt install one?`
`02:55.52`	`jaem`	`hrm`
`02:56.06`	`jaem`	`do key click sounds not work with a BT keyboard, or is this just my problem?`
`02:56.13`	`kcowolf`	`I only installed sys-env-base`
`02:56.24`	`jaem`	`kcowolf: there ye go`
`02:56.31`	`jaem`	`it finishes booting, but nothing loads`
`02:56.34`	`zakkm`	`b-man: you here?`
`02:56.35`	`kcowolf`	`yeah`
`02:56.58`	`zakkm`	`kcowolf: you should download/install a environment/ wm .. and set .xinitrc accordingly`
`02:57.00`	`kcowolf`	`wasn't sure exactly when I should install sys-env-x`
`02:57.11`	`zakkm`	`after base`
`02:57.38`	b-man`	`hello`
`02:57.46`	`kcowolf`	`hey b-man`
`02:57.47`	`zakkm`	`.`
`02:58.26`	`kcowolf`	`from the ubuntu startup can I get to a console and install it from there, or do I need to go back through maemo?`
`02:58.45`	`romeus1`	`btw, if you want 48mhz sdhc/mmc, screen rotation, and also bugfix for RNDIS and consitent mmc device names then you might want to consider > http://seas3.elte.hu/balihb/maemo/ (I haven't tried it yet)`
`02:58.54`	`romeus1`	`I think I'll try it now :)`
`02:58.56`	`zakkm`	`b-man; didnt get tty to show on ubuntu port?`
`02:58.56`	b-man`	`you should do it from maemo`
`02:59.10`	b-man`	`tty?`
`02:59.16`	`zakkm`	`console.`
`02:59.36`	b-man`	`console is functional`
`02:59.56`	`zakkm`	`splash goes over it?`
`03:00.43`	b-man`	`ubuntu uses a rescue menu, just press home+power at startup to select console`
`03:00.58`	`zakkm`	`oh thats howw :p`
`03:00.59`	`zakkm`	`heh`
`03:01.07`	`zakkm`	`i always saw screenshots, im like hmm how do i get that menu`
`03:01.13`	`jaem`	b-man`: would it be feasible to allow the user to switch to tty once booted?
`03:01.23`	`zakkm`	`that rescue mode would do`
`03:01.29`	`jaem`	`call me a geek, but tty's were one thing I missed when running Maemo`
`03:01.38`	`zakkm`	`?`
`03:01.41`	`jaem`	`zakkm: I mean from a running GUI install, just like on a desktop`
`03:01.41`	`zakkm`	`you can run terminal?`
`03:01.54`	`zakkm`	`just boot into console everytime`
`03:02.01`	`jaem`	`no, I want both`
`03:02.02`	`zakkm`	`dont add xdm or anything`
`03:02.04`	b-man`	`shure - you should be able to get tty when booted`
`03:02.09`	`zakkm`	`and it will go into console`
`03:02.14`	`zakkm`	`and when you want desktop you do startx?`
`03:02.15`	b-man`	`if you kill x`
`03:02.18`	`jaem`	`zakkm: I want to be able to switch`
`03:02.25`	`jaem`	b-man`: any key combo, or just manual?
`03:02.30`	b-man`	`ubuntu uses gdm or kdm`
`03:02.38`	b-man`	`manual`
`03:02.40`	`zakkm`	`ubuntu uses gdm, kubuntu uses kdm :D`
`03:02.52`	b-man`	`i know XD`
`03:02.53`	`jaem`	b-man`: thanks
`03:03.00`	b-man`	`np :)`
`03:03.27`	`jaem`	`grr... I deactivated my keyboard, and my N810 rebooted`
`03:03.35`	`jaem`	`methinks there be boogs`
`03:04.06`	b-man`	`needs to update a lot of stuff in ubuntu-n8x0`
`03:05.18`	b-man`	`i just wish i had time :(`
`03:05.36`	`kcowolf`	`okay, which one is the home button?`
`03:05.58`	b-man`	`the one with the little house icon`
`03:06.23`	`kcowolf`	`on the N810?`
`03:06.50`	`kcowolf`	`lower-rightmost button on the keyboard?`
`03:06.51`	b-man`	`n810 - the one with the two little squares`
`03:06.56`	`kcowolf`	`ah`
`03:07.16`	b-man`	`uses an N800 :)`
`03:08.53`	`kcowolf`	`k, logged into the console`
`03:09.47`	b-man`	`witch desktop env are you planning on using btw?`
`03:10.04`	`kcowolf`	`GNOME if I can`
`03:10.09`	`zakkm`	`b-man: how well does fvwm-crystal work on the tablet, have you tried?`
`03:10.10`	b-man`	`:D`
`03:10.20`	`kcowolf`	`KDE4 would be great, but I think that would be slow`
`03:10.42`	`zakkm`	`everything but maemo is slow ;p`
`03:10.46`	b-man`	`zakkm: i haven't yet - could you give me a link? :)`
`03:10.53`	`zakkm`	`its in repository`
`03:11.05`	`zakkm`	`you can apt-get it`
`03:11.12`	`kcowolf`	`ah, shoot`
`03:11.16`	`zakkm`	`my vmdk just crashed/ totally messed up before i could install it`
`03:11.28`	`kcowolf`	`I'd need to start wireless in order to get sys-env-x over the wi-fi`
`03:11.37`	`zakkm`	b-man`: apt-get install fvwm-crystal
`03:11.42`	b-man`	`zakkm: software in ubuntu runs better than software in maemo on my tablet`
`03:11.46`	b-man`	`k`
`03:11.52`	`luke-jr`	hey b-man`
`03:11.57`	b-man`	`hello`
`03:11.57`	`luke-jr`	`how goes getting Vista on your N800?`
`03:12.02`	b-man`	`lol`
`03:12.04`	`kcowolf`	`:)`
`03:12.38`	`zakkm`	b-man`: http://www.linux.org/dist/reviews/images/fvwm-crystal.png <-- pic of fvwm-crystal
`03:12.39`	`luke-jr`	b-man`: you have that Ubuntu working on N810?
`03:12.43`	`luke-jr`	`or just N800?`
`03:12.45`	`zakkm`	`very lightweightt`
`03:13.04`	`zakkm`	`moreso than fluxbox i would assume`
`03:13.24`	`kcowolf`	`I'll try this from maemo... will I need to do anything beforehand besides unmounting the external card, remounting it as /mnt/jaunty and mounting the other five directories?`
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`03:13.42`	`zakkm`	`kcowolf: chrooting ..`
`03:13.53`	`zakkm`	`most important , except initial mounting of course`
`03:14.58`	`kcowolf`	`will running the N810 with the charger plugged in run wear out the battery?`
`03:14.59`	b-man`	`luke-jr: i own an N800 and yes :)`
`03:15.12`	`luke-jr`	b-man`: but it does work on N810?
`03:15.18`	b-man`	`zakkm: awsome`
`03:15.21`	b-man`	`yes`
`03:15.28`	`luke-jr`	b-man`: mind if I steal some stuff? :D
`03:15.30`	`zakkm`	b-man`: mind checking for me how well it performs, screensize wise and all
`03:15.49`	b-man`	`luke-jr: shure XD`
`03:15.53`	`luke-jr`	b-man`: sweet
`03:15.59`	`luke-jr`	b-man`: how did you get the fscking kb to work? :D
`03:16.04`	b-man`	`zakkm: shure :)`
`03:16.29`	`zakkm`	b-man`: thank you, shouldnt be too big, 7mb tops
`03:17.47`	b-man`	`luke-jr: it's xkbd`
`03:17.57`	`luke-jr`	b-man`: that's no kb
`03:18.00`	b-man`	`wow 0.o`
`03:18.03`	`luke-jr`	b-man`: I mean the real one
`03:18.27`	`zakkm`	`you cant use maemo one.`
`03:18.41`	`luke-jr`	`so it really doesn't work on N810? â¹`
`03:19.10`	b-man`	`it should work`
`03:19.27`	`luke-jr`	b-man`: how?
`03:19.54`	`luke-jr`	`especially the Fn key`
`03:19.55`	b-man`	`it uses xserver-xorg-input-evdev from mer`
`03:19.57`	`luke-jr`	`how did you get that working?`
`03:20.02`	`luke-jr`	`IIRC, it's a problem for Mer too :/`
`03:20.09`	`luke-jr`	`or at least Stskeepz made it sound that way`
`03:20.21`	b-man`	`hmm :/`
`03:20.43`	`kcowolf`	`should I need to do the insmod commands again?`
`03:20.50`	`romeus1`	`is there anyway to run windows ce on the n800?`
`03:20.57`	`luke-jr`	`romeus1: emulator maybe`
`03:21.08`	`luke-jr`	`on the other hand, my immediate problem is that my keymap doesn't seem to work once I start X`
`03:21.25`	b-man`	`hmm`
`03:21.28`	`kcowolf`	`"mounting /dev/mmcblk1p3 on /mnt/jaunty failed"`
`03:21.46`	b-man`	`you need to run insmod`
`03:21.50`	`luke-jr`	`kcowolf: how big does your MMC card have to be to desire 3 partitions? -.-`
`03:22.14`	`kcowolf`	`It's 8GB, and I just followed the tutorial`
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`03:22.27`	`kcowolf`	`(dosfs, swap, ext3)`
`03:22.32`	`luke-jr`	`why vfat?`
`03:22.47`	`zakkm`	`viewing from windows.`
`03:22.51`	`luke-jr`	`oh`
`03:22.53`	`luke-jr`	`Windows`
`03:22.55`	`luke-jr`	`people still use that?`
`03:22.59`	`zakkm`	`lol`
`03:23.02`	`zakkm`	`its also good for tablet`
`03:23.02`	`jaem`	`luke-jr: apparently`
`03:23.04`	`jaem`	`go figure`
`03:23.06`	`zakkm`	`to have a vfat partition`
`03:23.10`	`luke-jr`	`zakkm: nonsense`
`03:23.22`	`zakkm`	`heh`
`03:23.38`	`luke-jr`	`woot`
`03:23.43`	`zakkm`	`thats what i initially was told.`
`03:23.45`	`luke-jr`	`kdelibs 4.2 is 5% done building`
`03:24.06`	`zakkm`	`lol`
`03:24.09`	`zakkm`	`theres alot of kde packages ;p`
`03:24.20`	`luke-jr`	`technically just 8 or so`
`03:25.23`	b-man`	`starts to wget/compile fvwm-crystal`
`03:25.58`	`luke-jr`	b-man`: so you didn't really do anything to get the kb working, did you? :/
`03:26.27`	`zakkm`	b-man`: why you compiling?
`03:26.36`	b-man`	`i did, allthough it obviously wasn't verry functionall`
`03:26.54`	`luke-jr`	b-man`: any info on what you did?
`03:27.35`	`zakkm`	`b-man: its very lightweight, wants alot of things like mpd and stuff`
`03:27.53`	b-man`	`i mostly borrowed keymaps & drivers from mer/deblet`
`03:28.05`	`luke-jr`	b-man`: <.< links?
`03:28.24`	b-man`	`grabs the repo link`
`03:28.25`	`zakkm`	`http://www.fvwm-crystal.org/user-screenshots/nemo.jpg <-- favourite desktop screenshot of all times, (its old )`
`03:28.37`	`zakkm`	`linux one anyways`
`03:29.17`	b-man`	`luke-jr: http://www.bman.maemobox.org/repository/ --ubuntu-n8x0 repo`
`03:30.18`	`kcowolf`	`okay, hopefully should be ready to apt-get install sys-env-x`
`03:32.38`	`kcowolf`	`crosses his fingers... pleasework pleasework pleasework...`
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`03:34.58`	b-man`	`'s ubuntu install is going on 4 months of age and is still going strong on his N800 btw :)`
`03:35.18`	b-man`	`as of tomorrow`
`03:35.30`	b-man`	`21st`
`03:35.35`	`kcowolf`	`b-man: thanks for all your help on this, and thanks for doing it in the first place... one of the biggest motivations behind getting the n810`
`03:35.53`	b-man`	`no problem :)`
`03:40.41`	`luke-jr`	`kdelibs 23%`
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`03:59.40`	`kcowolf`	`should I need to do the fuser -m line again?`
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`04:10.48`	`luke-jr`	`36% kdelbis :D`
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`04:19.27`	`spcui`	`Can anybody tell me how to debug home plugins in N810?`
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`04:21.34`	`kcowolf`	`b-man: still around?`
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`04:25.21`	b-man`	`i'm still here :)`
`04:25.57`	b-man`	`needs to go to bed soon though`
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`04:39.47`	`Guest8049_147`	`i can make apt-get install diablo free non free source in ubuntu cause`
`04:40.41`	`Guest8049_147`	`echo "deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ diablo free non- free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list`
`04:41.13`	`Guest8049_147`	`E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras_dists_diablo_non-_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory)`
`04:46.33`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`which one is the preferred method to become root on the N810? ssh or...?s`
`04:46.48`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`hm, probably doesn't matter much when you set a password?s`
`04:48.49`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`ah, very well :)`
`04:50.43`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`nice, nice`
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`04:51.17`	`kcowolf`	`shoot`
`04:51.36`	`kcowolf`	`forgot to do export LC_ALL=C before I started apt-get install ubuntu-desktop`
`04:52.04`	`kcowolf`	`now I'm worried that's going to cause problems since it already tried to start the install`
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`05:37.03`	`RST38h`	`Moo all`
`05:37.11`	`RST38h`	`Congratulations, lcuk`
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`05:46.18`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`there's no less?s`
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`06:00.47`	`thux`	`morning`
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`06:01.30`	`RST38h`	`moo thux.`
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`06:05.03`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`there's no pipe on the kbd of the N810?s`
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`06:06.39`	`RST38h`	`unfortunately, no`
`06:06.47`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`doom, doom!`
`06:06.55`	`RST38h`	`Although you can install a custom kbd layout`
`06:07.05`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`well, that'3s true`
`06:07.19`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`but there seems to be no 'less' either`
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`06:09.34`	`thux`	`more could be`
`06:10.18`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`I could live with most, if it has to be more`
`06:11.29`	`thux`	`i installed apps to tablet via ssh but some ui apps popup question which folder to be installed, how can i handle this via ssh? (long way from my tablet)`
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`06:12.14`	`thux`	`i don't see popup to ssh`
`06:12.14`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`vnc?`
`06:12.23`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`oh, that works also`
`06:12.29`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`try ssh -X user@tablet`
`06:12.37`	`thux`	`ok`
`06:12.40`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`(has to be enabled on the sshd too, though)`
`06:12.45`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`(8dunno if it is)`
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`06:15.13`	`luke-jr`	`does anyone actually use KDE 4 on N810? :x`
`06:15.27`	`luke-jr`	`how do they manage around the Akonadi mess?`
`06:16.08`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`thux, it's already enabled... "X11Forwarding yes" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config in case it's not`
`06:16.23`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`only madmen :-P`
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`06:18.46`	`thux`	`tried with ssh -X but still don't see the popup`
`06:18.51`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`well, is there no such thing as s2ram//s2disk for the N80?s`
`06:19.11`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`thux, hm, you should - if you say echo $DISPLAY should say :10`
`06:19.34`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`and if you call e.g. xterm (or whatever term you got there) it should open to zou`
`06:19.44`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`might take a loong while though if your connection is slow`
`06:19.56`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`x11 is not a very efficient protocol`
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`06:20.32`	`thux`	`echo $DISPLAY localhost:10.0`
`06:20.53`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`that's ok`
`06:20.57`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`that'3s your ssh`
`06:21.02`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`-tunnel`
`06:21.09`	`thux`	`ok`
`06:21.19`	`thux`	`i try wait longer`
`06:21.52`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`hm`
`06:22.01`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`is the Nokia using the X protocol?s`
`06:22.21`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`it surely doesn't run xorg...`
`06:22.50`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`thux, I'm only playing with it for a couple of hours...`
`06:23.12`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`so if it's in some fundamental way different than a pc, I wouldn't know`
`06:23.51`	`johnx`	`it's running xomap, an x server based on kdrive`
`06:24.06`	`johnx`	`but a lot of apps hardcode their DISPLAY variable`
`06:24.07`	`thux`	`dpkg --configure -a Setting up tear (0.3) ... Cache file created successfully. and there it hangs, probably waiting to that popup ok`
`06:24.13`	`johnx`	`they only look for :0`
`06:24.16`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`argh`
`06:24.29`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`well, that's just crap then`
`06:24.38`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`johnx, but xomap implements x11?`
`06:25.18`	`johnx`	`yeah, it's a fairly normal x server for most purposes`
`06:25.55`	`thux`	`but can't i tell dpkg somehow not to ask directory where install?`
`06:25.58`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`thux, perhaps try dpkg -force-help to see your options to force dpkg over... glitches`
`06:26.11`	`thux`	`ok`
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`06:28.51`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`... but I don't see any`
`06:29.06`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`if you have x11vnc installed, you can see the screen`
`06:29.38`	`luke-jr`	`CutMeOwnThroat: my N810 is running X.org :p`
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`06:30.48`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`luke-jr, how much of the memory does it use?s`
`06:31.43`	`luke-jr`	`CutMeOwnThroat: about 5 MB of RAM according to top`
`06:32.06`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`a lot less than my desktop...`
`06:32.44`	`luke-jr`	`your desktop has apps running âº`
`06:32.56`	`luke-jr`	`X stores resources for apps in its own memory space`
`06:33.06`	`luke-jr`	`I'm still working on KDE 4.2`
`06:33.17`	`luke-jr`	`kdelibs is at 82%`
`06:34.04`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`hm, can I change the default username of "user" to something else or is that hardcoded somewhere as well`
`06:34.18`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`luke-jr, well... not running firefox might do it :)`
`06:34.18`	`johnx`	`it's hardcoded everywhere`
`06:34.29`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`aaah`
`06:34.40`	`luke-jr`	`this kind of thing is why I am installing Gentoo -.-`
`06:34.42`	`johnx`	`also, I think x.org includes the size of the framebuffer as part of it's memory usage`
`06:35.08`	`luke-jr`	`Akonadi/MySQL scares me though`
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`06:36.23`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`luke-jr, gentoo?`
`06:36.31`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`you plan to compile everything?s`
`06:36.39`	`luke-jr`	`CutMeOwnThroat: like I said, I'm 82% doen w/ kdelibs`
`06:36.54`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`sounds like.... fun`
`06:36.56`	`luke-jr`	`:D`
`06:36.57`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`endless fun`
`06:36.59`	`luke-jr`	`join us!`
`06:37.01`	`luke-jr`	`you can be #4`
`06:37.02`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`nah`
`06:37.03`	`johnx`	`some of us are working with ubuntu instead`
`06:37.17`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`I use Debian for... well enough years`
`06:37.19`	`johnx`	`putting the good parts of maemo on top of an ubuntu base`
`06:37.28`	`johnx`	`a slim ubuntu base`
`06:37.32`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`so if I switch, it'll be there`
`06:37.40`	`luke-jr`	`aw`
`06:37.41`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`but having stripped-down stuff makes sense`
`06:37.52`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`so I'll see for a while`
`06:37.59`	`johnx`	`sometimes it's worth the trade off and sometimes it isn't`
`06:37.59`	`luke-jr`	`we're using Gentoo's CFLAGS stuff to slim everything :D`
`06:38.06`	`luke-jr`	`yay -Os`
`06:38.09`	`johnx`	`we ended up deciding busybox vs coreutils wasn't worth it`
`06:38.37`	`johnx`	`err...that busybox wasn't worth it I mean, compared to coreutils`
`06:38.38`	`luke-jr`	`johnx: which direction?`
`06:38.39`	`luke-jr`	`ah`
`06:38.49`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`I understood that!`
`06:38.55`	`luke-jr`	`yeah, BusyBox pisses me off`
`06:38.59`	`luke-jr`	`johnx: you use BASH as well then?`
`06:39.52`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`battery getting empty`
`06:39.57`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`and I let the charger at uni`
`06:40.01`	`luke-jr`	`Ã`
`06:40.11`	`luke-jr`	`I never leave my charger anywhere`
`06:40.16`	`johnx`	`luke-jr, yup, bash as well`
`06:40.23`	`luke-jr`	`can't risk battery dying`
`06:40.26`	`johnx`	`too many bashisms in ubuntu :/`
`06:40.29`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`oh well... ~1 hour left is ok... not more until sleeping time anyay (20 to 2 am here)`
`06:40.35`	`luke-jr`	`>_<`
`06:40.48`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`so is there any s2ram s2disk equivalent?s`
`06:41.00`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`it seems to really switch off when I switch it off`
`06:41.13`	`luke-jr`	`CutMeOwnThroat: just leave it running XD`
`06:41.26`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`probably the inactive state comes close to laptop sleep mode anyway`
`06:41.28`	`luke-jr`	`I don't think suspend to RAM would save much power, if any`
`06:41.35`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`yeah`
`06:41.37`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`guess so`
`06:41.39`	`luke-jr`	`and there is no.. disk .. to save to`
`06:41.45`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`of course!`
`06:41.52`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`I put a 8GB SD in there`
`06:41.59`	`luke-jr`	`heh`
`06:42.02`	`johnx`	`put it in offline mode to save a little more juice`
`06:42.06`	`luke-jr`	`SD is way too slow`
`06:42.09`	`luke-jr`	`you'd run out of power waiting`
`06:42.15`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`nah`
`06:42.29`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`how much memory does the 810 have?s`
`06:42.38`	`luke-jr`	`128 MB`
`06:43.06`	`luke-jr`	`so 8 minutes to dump it all to SD`
`06:43.27`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`well, you got a point`
`06:43.28`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`no`
`06:43.32`	`luke-jr`	`heck, it'll boot faster than the 4 minutes it'd take to restore`
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`06:43.42`	`GeneralAntilles`	`You've got one slow goddamn SD.`
`06:43.54`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`class 6 is 6MB/s`
`06:43.56`	`luke-jr`	`GeneralAntilles: N810 is the bottleneck`
`06:44.02`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Minimum`
`06:44.04`	`luke-jr`	`CutMeOwnThroat: I've never seen over 300 KB/sec on N810`
`06:44.12`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`that makes it ... 20 seconds?s`
`06:44.19`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It's not the N810`
`06:44.22`	`luke-jr`	`my SD card supports up to 9 MB/sec`
`06:44.34`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`but that'3s not the sd card then`
`06:44.36`	`GeneralAntilles`	`300KB/sec is definitely a problem with your card.`
`06:45.12`	`luke-jr`	`GeneralAntilles: how would you suggest benchmarking?`
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`06:45.18`	`luke-jr`	`IIRC, the onyl time I've seen it was scp`
`06:45.25`	`luke-jr`	`so I suppose the CPU might be the bottleneck there`
`06:45.29`	`luke-jr`	`oh, and wget`
`06:45.36`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Well, for one, I get 800-900KB/sec sustained over SFTP`
`06:45.43`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`bonnie++? :)9`
`06:45.43`	`luke-jr`	`oh, maybe wifi`
`06:45.51`	`luke-jr`	`that could be it`
`06:45.56`	`GeneralAntilles`	`and about 2MB/sec on a USB transfer.`
`06:46.10`	`GeneralAntilles`	`So, no, suspend to disk isn't going to take 8 minutes.`
`06:46.17`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`anyway, half a minute for suspend to disk doesn't sound too bad to me`
`06:46.51`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Problem is, the battery saving still isn't going to be all that great.`
`06:46.53`	`luke-jr`	`GeneralAntilles: what would you say the N810's limit is, then? someone earlier mentioned a kernel patch to improve it`
`06:47.02`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`GeneralAntilles, why?s`
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`06:47.08`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`what would still be running?`
`06:47.17`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Suspending and resuming isn't going to use less energy than a straight reboot.`
`06:47.27`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`it should essentially switched off during s2disk`
`06:47.34`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`no, not that`
`06:47.42`	`luke-jr`	`CutMeOwnThroat: note even "power off" for N8x0 is not truly off`
`06:47.53`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`it essentially is a straight reboot - actually + reading 128MB`
`06:47.58`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`mmm`
`06:48.07`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Remember, your system using basically max power during the write and read from disk.`
`06:48.11`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`sound's like a video recorder :(`
`06:48.25`	`thux`	`remove battery`
`06:48.25`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Which means unless you're suspending for more than a week it really isn't worth it.`
`06:48.36`	`GeneralAntilles`	`The N810's powersaving is epic at idle.`
`06:48.45`	`GeneralAntilles`	`You just need to make sure it's actually able to go idle.`
`06:48.47`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`so leaving it on can be better than switching it off?s`
`06:48.58`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Yes, it's a 24/7 device`
`06:49.04`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`allright`
`06:49.07`	`GeneralAntilles`	`The powersaving is designed to work when it's left on all the time.`
`06:49.22`	`GeneralAntilles`	`The efforts to improve efficiency have been put there and not into the reboot cycle.`
`06:49.34`	`johnx`	`idle, with screen off, in offline mode is usually good for 2 weeks solid`
`06:49.35`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`also explains why the battery ran dry so fast just now`
`06:49.43`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`after installing all that gpl stuff :)`
`06:49.53`	`luke-jr`	`johnx: 2 weeks? Ã¶`
`06:49.56`	`RST38h`	`penguins ate it`
`06:50.12`	`johnx`	`luke-jr, yup, there were tests and everything :)`
`06:50.16`	`GeneralAntilles`	`30 days idle is the absolute max.`
`06:50.20`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`well, penguins wanna live as well`
`06:50.23`	`luke-jr`	`I've never come close to 2 weeks, though I never leave it alone for more than a few hours`
`06:50.32`	`johnx`	`CutMeOwnThroat, also, the battery meter tends to get pessimistic right after you push it`
`06:50.40`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`heh`
`06:50.54`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`it's not called 'marvin' by any chance?s`
`06:51.08`	`johnx`	`heh`
`06:51.24`	`johnx`	`it's kind of "if you keep doing what you just did now, then you've only got x many hours left"`
`06:51.43`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`well, it keeps saying I got an hour`
`06:51.51`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`what happens when it crashes?s`
`06:51.59`	`luke-jr`	`CutMeOwnThroat: watchdog reboots`
`06:52.03`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`does it shutdown to prevent?s`
`06:52.03`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Voltage also tends to drop dramatically under particularly heavy loads.`
`06:52.18`	`luke-jr`	`though it's more likely to false-positive than a real crash`
`06:52.20`	`johnx`	`yeah, it should shut down at critical battery`
`06:52.29`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`or does it rely on journaling file.... ok`
`06:52.41`	`johnx`	`it uses a journaling fs`
`06:52.43`	`johnx`	`jffs2`
`06:52.54`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`hm`
`06:53.04`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`I wonder what that sd card uses that I just pushed in`
`06:53.23`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`if that's on fat, would be a good idea to change before I put stuff on`
`06:53.42`	`luke-jr`	`jffs2 doesn't work on MMC/SD`
`06:53.46`	`johnx`	`ext2 or 3 would be a fine choice if you don't want to use it with windows`
`06:54.02`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`no`
`06:54.02`	`luke-jr`	`and journalling filesystems supposedly have the opposite effect on them`
`06:54.10`	`luke-jr`	`so ext2`
`06:54.16`	`johnx`	`luke-jr, uhm, no`
`06:54.17`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Um`
`06:54.24`	`GeneralAntilles`	`You're confusing wear leveling with journaling.`
`06:54.29`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`I don't touch windows with a 7 foot laserpointer if I can avoid it`
`06:54.43`	`johnx`	`then ext3 is a good bet`
`06:54.44`	`luke-jr`	`GeneralAntilles: supposedly wear levelling makes journalling break on power failures?`
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`06:54.53`	`GeneralAntilles`	`What?`
`06:55.07`	`johnx`	`luke-jr, not disputing, but where did you hear that from?`
`06:55.09`	`luke-jr`	`Neuros head developer`
`06:55.09`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`xfs would be fun to try if it can use it :)`
`06:55.21`	`johnx`	`CutMeOwnThroat, build yourself some kernel modules`
`06:55.36`	`thux`	`is ext4 support coming to tablets?`
`06:55.52`	`luke-jr`	`doesn't see a need for ext4 on his desktop, let alone his tablet.`
`06:56.17`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`well, thanks for the info... this has been enlightened me quite a bit in a short time :)`
`06:57.12`	`johnx`	`CutMeOwnThroat, sure. actually, someone might have built xfs.ko, but it's easy enough to compile yourself`
`06:57.24`	`johnx`	`thux, probably not unless a newer kernel becomes more usable`
`06:57.41`	`thux`	`ok`
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`06:59.07`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`oh, btw. anyone connected an usb keyboard to an N810 yet?s`
`06:59.15`	`johnx`	`yup, all the time`
`06:59.20`	`johnx`	`well, an n800 actually`
`06:59.23`	`tbf`	`thux: i don't think ext4 is optimized for flash drives yet. so what would be the use of supporting ext4 on tablets?`
`06:59.23`	`johnx`	`same difference`
`06:59.30`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`right`
`06:59.44`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`need to install anything for that?s`
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`07:00.06`	`GeneralAntilles`	`No, but you'll want an OTG adaptor.`
`07:00.10`	`thux`	`tbf: i was just curious cause everybody seems to talk about it`
`07:00.24`	`johnx`	`if you don't use an OTG adapter you have to manually put it into host mode with software`
`07:00.26`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`yes, notice the adapter thing`
`07:00.30`	`johnx`	`there's a couple little GUI front ends`
`07:00.33`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`hm`
`07:00.36`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`oh, ok`
`07:00.51`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Software solution is a pain`
`07:00.57`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Worth it to get the $6 part.`
`07:01.03`	`johnx`	`GeneralAntilles, the little statusbar icon isn't bad`
`07:02.39`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`ui`
`07:02.52`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`not good for the ebook-like pdfs`
`07:03.11`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`ah, zoom`
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`07:03.23`	`thux`	`reiserfs was before popular talk subject but development slowed down`
`07:03.29`	`tbf`	`thux: not sure if ext4 is worth the hype`
`07:04.00`	`thux`	`always wondered why linux support so many filesystems`
`07:04.01`	`tbf`	`thux: not much faster than ext3 it seems, not safer and it's author didn't understands his users' needs until recently`
`07:04.11`	`tbf`	`well. also not sure if he understands them now`
`07:04.22`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`hm, need xpdf, though`
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`07:04.37`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`thux, only practice makes perfect :.-P`
`07:05.03`	`thux`	`:)`
`07:05.05`	`tbf`	`thux: seems some people have fun in implementing file systems :-)`
`07:05.31`	`johnx`	`CutMeOwnThroat, what about evince, epdfview or the built-in pdf viewer?`
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`07:06.27`	`thux`	`is ext2 still faster than all journaling fs?`
`07:06.32`	`luke-jr`	`http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/6/14/266 <-- useful infos âº`
`07:07.17`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`johnx, which of them has continious-view?s`
`07:07.27`	`johnx`	`dunno, actually`
`07:07.40`	`johnx`	`to be honest I hit my pdf ebooks with pdftohtml and use fbreader`
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`07:08.04`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`mm, yeah`
`07:08.10`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`I normally convert to pdf for the laptop`
`07:08.22`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`latex-made is hard to beat`
`07:08.35`	`johnx`	`there's fbreader for desktop linux too`
`07:08.39`	`luke-jr`	`according to this, journals (and swap) effectively disable wear levelling Ã¶`
`07:08.42`	`johnx`	`<- fbreader fan`
`07:08.43`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`I don't think html comes close`
`07:08.49`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`hm, I can give it a try`
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`07:10.09`	`johnx`	`luke-jr, nice find`
`07:12.32`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`between a rock and a hard place...`
`07:12.44`	`johnx`	`I decided to just go journalling`
`07:13.02`	`johnx`	`I haven't lost an sd card yet that I know is do to bad blocks caused by too many writes`
`07:13.24`	`luke-jr`	`johnx: point 4 is quite scary`
`07:14.04`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`well`
`07:14.06`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`jffs2?s`
`07:14.16`	`luke-jr`	`CutMeOwnThroat: jffs2 will NOT work on SD/MMC`
`07:14.19`	`johnx`	`can't be used on a block device`
`07:14.20`	`luke-jr`	`CutMeOwnThroat: it is not an option`
`07:14.46`	`luke-jr`	`would be nice if the SD/MMC specs had a way to do it tho :/`
`07:14.55`	`luke-jr`	`instead of this block emulation crap`
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`07:16.05`	`luke-jr`	`johnx: I found that 8 GB doesn't take too long to fsck, so I will stick with ext2 regardless XD`
`07:16.17`	`johnx`	`luke-jr, point 4 is scary, yes. but I haven't run into a flash device with issues with non-FAT filesystems in the last several years`
`07:16.29`	`johnx`	`luke-jr, if you can fsck it, then good for you`
`07:16.40`	`johnx`	`I'm sure I would have lost data by now if I wasn't using a journal`
`07:17.38`	`luke-jr`	`oh?`
`07:17.57`	`luke-jr`	`I don't think I've ever experienced loss with ext2`
`07:17.59`	`johnx`	`had to pull the battery plenty of times :)`
`07:18.04`	`luke-jr`	`why would you lose anything?`
`07:18.10`	`luke-jr`	`other than recent changes I mean`
`07:18.40`	`johnx`	`if anything was open for writing it could be corrupted`
`07:18.46`	`johnx`	`a journal means that writes are atomic`
`07:18.55`	`johnx`	`no journal = no guarantee of consistency`
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`07:19.20`	`johnx`	`also, corruption of some random file tends to show up later, not right away`
`07:20.05`	`luke-jr`	`:/`
`07:20.28`	`johnx`	`yeah`
`07:20.48`	`johnx`	`nothing like chasing down some weird problem only to find out it's just a corrupted config file`
`07:21.43`	`johnx`	`another note: I'm pretty sure mmc (aka sd) uses slightly different wear leveling than smart media`
`07:21.54`	`johnx`	`I have a link to a white paper somewhere if you're interested`
`07:22.07`	`luke-jr`	`johnx: he was referring to non-smartmedia`
`07:22.14`	`Shadow__X`	`what about the 2gd internal card`
`07:22.20`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`fbreader displays too many chars/line, though`
`07:22.32`	`johnx`	`CutMeOwnThroat, zoom in?`
`07:22.36`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`should be around ... say 70`
`07:22.38`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`mmm`
`07:22.39`	`luke-jr`	`Shadow__X: I don't write to it if I can help it.`
`07:22.58`	`johnx`	`yeah, a soldered on sd card would worry me a little`
`07:23.09`	`Shadow__X`	`luke-jr, what if you flashed the n810 to it`
`07:23.16`	`johnx`	`luke-jr, he was saying they use smart media-style wear leveling`
`07:23.30`	`luke-jr`	`johnx: the implication was that everyone borrows it`
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`07:23.47`	`johnx`	`luke-jr, and I'm saying I read the mmc white paper on wear leveling and it seemed different`
`07:23.48`	`GeneralAntilles`	`CutMeOwnThroat, you're looking for the settings.`
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`07:23.58`	`johnx`	`you don't have to trust me. I can find the link`
`07:24.28`	`Khertan`	`Hello !`
`07:24.44`	`johnx`	`hi Khertan`
`07:25.05`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`hm, yeah, that could work`
`07:25.12`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`pretty huge on the laptop...`
`07:25.55`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`well, lemme try`
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`07:28.44`	`veiz`	`hi, wanna to know if there are available JVM for 810`
`07:29.02`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`well, thanks again`
`07:29.18`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`and... damn - I knew this useless toy would eat up my time :)`
`07:29.37`	`johnx`	`CutMeOwnThroat, heh. you have no idea :)`
`07:29.45`	`johnx`	`but, it's a lot of fun`
`07:29.50`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`I'm getting it... I am`
`07:29.54`	`johnx`	`veiz, checked uout jalimo?`
`07:30.41`	`veiz`	`3x, check it now`
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`07:33.56`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`nite`
`07:34.04`	`johnx`	`'night CutMeOwnThroat`
`07:37.04`	`Shadow__X`	`what toy is useless`
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`07:43.31`	`johnx`	`Shadow__X, a bicycle with no wheels`
`07:43.51`	`Shadow__X`	`is a bicycle considered a toy?`
`07:44.00`	`johnx`	`depends on the context I guess`
`07:44.06`	`Shadow__X`	`right`
`07:44.11`	`Shadow__X`	`also size of bike`
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`07:44.29`	`Shadow__X`	`if its a trike with 6 inch tires`
`07:45.08`	`johnx`	`or if it's more than 10 feet tall`
`07:45.41`	`Shadow__X`	`right`
`07:45.47`	`johnx`	`http://google.com/images?q=tall+bikes`
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`07:47.08`	`Shadow__X`	`http://www.google.com/images?q=tall+bikes&hl=en&imgcolor=green`
`07:47.12`	`Shadow__X`	`now with green`
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`07:51.41`	`wazd`	`Weeeee, we won GSoC!11`
`07:51.51`	`wazd`	`http://socghop.appspot.com/org/home/google/gsoc2009/maemo`
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`07:52.51`	`johnx`	`woo! really looking forward to that news reader!`
`07:53.48`	`wazd`	`And lcuk is 2nd :P na-na-na-naaa-na :D Just kidding :)`
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`08:24.30`	`RST38h`	`wazd: which one is yours?`
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`08:34.51`	`GeneralAntilles`	`X-Fade, ping?`
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`08:35.05`	`wazd`	`RST38h: first one :)`
`08:35.07`	`X-Fade`	`pong`
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`08:35.55`	`GeneralAntilles`	`X-Fade, the maemo.org beta logo on newstyle has a lighter background than the header.`
`08:36.01`	`X-Fade`	`GeneralAntilles: Yep`
`08:36.08`	`X-Fade`	`GeneralAntilles: Tim messed up`
`08:36.19`	`wazd`	`RST38h: the most surprising project is definitely "IM for Canola" :)`
`08:36.47`	`johnx`	`bittorrent for canola is a little suprising too`
`08:37.05`	`GeneralAntilles`	`X-Fade, there's something funky with tabbing and the login forms, too.`
`08:37.31`	`Stskeeps`	`thinks there should have been more variety`
`08:37.38`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Yeah`
`08:37.45`	`GeneralAntilles`	`and fewer pointless addons to Canola. :P`
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`08:38.47`	`wazd`	`No, maybe they are interesting like PoC but -IM-, dude...`
`08:39.00`	`Stskeeps`	`oh well. at least there's one project to look forward to.`
`08:39.13`	`johnx`	`a couple actually`
`08:39.47`	`wazd`	`johnx: Sts meant Mer ofcourse :D`
`08:39.48`	`johnx`	`barcode, the news reader, liqbase and picasa for canola would be nice`
`08:39.53`	`StsN800`	`mm`
`08:40.02`	`johnx`	`wazd, well, goes without saying ;)`
`08:41.23`	`StsN800`	`is just grumpy mainlining kernel didn't get in but canola/im did.`
`08:43.45`	`wjt`	`why exactly are people putting non-Telepathy IM into Canola?`
`08:43.52`	`wjt`	`like, the tablets have an IM framework`
`08:44.21`	`wazd`	`wjt: why exactly people putting -any- IM in Canola :)`
`08:44.29`	`wjt`	`wazd: a fair point, well made`
`08:44.38`	`wjt`	`i hear someone's also putting remember the milk into canola or something?`
`08:45.09`	`johnx`	`now all it needs is a good text editor and a lisp interpreter ...`
`08:45.16`	`wazd`	`wjt: it's one of the winners too :)`
`08:45.21`	`wjt`	`wazd: right`
`08:45.37`	`wazd`	`johnx: I heard "emacs"?)`
`08:45.48`	`wjt`	`johnx: well, if they embedded elisp then they could use http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/ELIM rather than libpurple directly :D`
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`08:49.54`	`thux`	`tear looks promishing if it runs, how to properly stop tablet-daemon to start at boot?`
`08:50.44`	`thux`	`remove it from run level`
`08:50.54`	`johnx`	`sounds good to me`
`08:51.13`	`thux`	`ok`
`08:56.12`	`wazd`	`Thats just awesome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MoJQGcozug`
`08:56.22`	`X-Fade`	`GeneralAntilles: What's up with the login form?`
`08:56.32`	`wazd`	`two guys analysing latest MS Ad :D`
`08:56.46`	`GeneralAntilles`	`X-Fade, it randomly clears the contents when I tab from one field to the next.`
`08:57.03`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Occasionally making it impossible to login.`
`08:57.15`	`X-Fade`	`Yeah, it clears on entry.`
`08:57.58`	`X-Fade`	`So if you tab back, it clears again.`
`08:58.05`	`X-Fade`	`But why would you do that ;)`
`08:58.19`	`RST38h`	`wazd: Ah`
`08:58.46`	`RST38h`	`wazd: But, what is the deal about the IM for Canola project? Is it REALLY needed? I mean, pidgin does work...`
`08:59.04`	`wazd`	`RST38h: same point here :)`
`09:00.24`	`RST38h`	`wishes Canola guys would make their app smaller, more stable, and faster loading (40 seconds is ridiculous)`
`09:01.16`	`wazd`	`http://s59.radikal.ru/i165/0904/02/f966e2e31d14.png <- My icon for "Mnemosyne for Maemo" btw :)`
`09:01.21`	`wazd`	`It`
`09:01.30`	`wazd`	`it's called "Pomni" :)`
`09:01.53`	`StsN800`	`X-Fade, think it would be interesting to experiment with Transifex (using mer & shared maemo packages as context) and maemo.org in advance of the harmattan stuff to give maemo.org & community experience?`
`09:02.45`	`RST38h`	`wazd: why not replace P with a cockroach? =)`
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`09:03.49`	`wazd`	`RST38h: with brainslug :)`
`09:04.28`	`GeneralAntilles`	`X-Fade, a variety of reasons.`
`09:04.34`	`GeneralAntilles`	`X-Fade, either way, it's broken.`
`09:04.44`	`GeneralAntilles`	`RST38h, worse, rtcomm works.`
`09:04.59`	`GeneralAntilles`	`RST38h, startup is a lot faster in recent releases.`
`09:05.11`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Once indexing is offloaded to Tracker it'll be even faster.`
`09:05.15`	`RST38h`	`General: 25 seconds.`
`09:05.22`	`RST38h`	`It is not indexing anything, I have that turned off`
`09:05.29`	`RST38h`	`Just plain loading Python libs`
`09:05.39`	`GeneralAntilles`	`25 != 40`
`09:05.43`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Tried python-launcher?`
`09:05.56`	`RST38h`	`never understood General's love for rtcomm and dislike to camel casing`
`09:06.00`	`RST38h`	`General: Yes, does not help`
`09:06.23`	`RST38h`	`General: It is 40 seconds "cold", 25 seconds consequent runs`
`09:08.08`	`GeneralAntilles`	`RST38h, camel casing is appropriate only where it's appropriate`
`09:08.13`	`GeneralAntilles`	`The wiki is not where it's appropriate.`
`09:08.29`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I like rtcomm because it works and it doesn't clutter up the place like Pidgin.`
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`09:09.02`	`Khertan1`	`Hello`
`09:10.40`	`florian`	`good morning`
`09:11.34`	`wazd`	`Khertan, florian: heya`
`09:11.44`	`Khertan1`	`hi wazd`
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`09:15.01`	`wazd`	`btw, I've checked new gmail for iphone/G1 with the tablet`
`09:15.09`	`wazd`	`It's so dumb`
`09:15.20`	`Khertan1`	`haha`
`09:15.31`	`Khertan1`	`there is a new gmail css for iphone ?`
`09:15.32`	`wazd`	`it's hardcoded to 320px width`
`09:15.37`	`Khertan1`	`yep`
`09:15.40`	`Khertan1`	`as the older`
`09:15.50`	`wazd`	`jeez, thats 19th century!`
`09:15.54`	`Khertan1`	`and all iPhone related things`
`09:15.57`	`X-Fade`	`StsN800: Yeah, we really should look at what we could offer for doing community translations.`
`09:16.34`	`wazd`	`But the dumbest thing is`
`09:16.43`	`wazd`	`that it scales while loading`
`09:16.49`	`wazd`	`scales pretty fine`
`09:16.59`	`wazd`	`and then Bam! 320`
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`09:19.08`	`wazd`	`So it means people even on the iphone or G1 are forced to use that stuff in portrait mode.`
`09:19.18`	`StsN800`	`heh`
`09:20.14`	`wazd`	`I wonder how to type in portrait mode with G1 :)`
`09:20.25`	`RST38h`	`wazd: May a few statements to the default .css file help though?`
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`09:21.04`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Fixed width is so silly.`
`09:21.17`	`GeneralAntilles`	`You're arbitrarily limiting your users for no reason.`
`09:21.51`	`wazd`	`RST38h: Itdoesn't matter how you can fix this, matters that such a large company as Google, that caresbout standards'n'stuff, actually does that kind of crap :)`
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`09:25.53`	`RST38h`	`wazd: Maybe they have a reason`
`09:26.07`	`RST38h`	`Maybe they implicitely do not want non-gphone users access it?`
`09:26.41`	`wazd`	`RST38h: okay, but how G1 user can normally use it in landscape mode/type?`
`09:29.11`	`RST38h`	`wazd: http://www.everyjoe.com/thegadgetblog/files/2008/09/g1-phone.jpg`
`09:29.29`	`RST38h`	`that's how`
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`09:36.36`	`wazd`	`RST38h: I talk bout gmail :)`
`09:37.16`	`wazd`	`http://www.mrmobileblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/200904081854.jpg`
`09:38.40`	`RST38h`	`wazd: Ah shit`
`09:39.14`	`RST38h`	`wazd: and it does not even scale to 320x240 as opposed to 240x320?`
`09:39.27`	`wazd`	`RST38h: yep`
`09:39.39`	`RST38h`	`the guy who has done it ought to be whipped`
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`10:00.31`	`wazd`	`RST38h: http://s52.radikal.ru/i135/0904/0e/4013c5e6f9ad.jpg <- just raw 320`
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`11:05.07`	`lcuk`	`wazd, liqbase wasn't second - it was selected :)`
`11:05.17`	`lcuk`	`well, zachs proposal was accepted rather`
`11:07.08`	`wazd`	`lcuk: gratz anyway :)`
`11:07.26`	`wazd`	`lcuk: Don't know what does that mean, but cool anyway :D`
`11:08.49`	`lcuk`	`wazd, i did nothing for this, zach came to me with an idea for an app and it fitted in extremely well with the next few months of liqbase development`
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`11:29.58`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I have one simple question for Nokia:`
`11:30.07`	`GeneralAntilles`	`What the _fuck_ is a "Sharing plug-in"?!`
`11:30.39`	`sampo`	`sharing is caring`
`11:30.50`	`Jaffa`	`GeneralAntilles: Gone, hopefully. It'll be an Ovi video plugin, an Ovi music plugin, an Ovi photo plugin and an Ovi chat plugin.`
`11:31.06`	`GeneralAntilles`	`https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3844#c13`
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`11:33.38`	`Jaffa`	`GeneralAntilles: Oh FFS. I saw andre's comment but hadn't seen qgil's`
`11:36.31`	`andre___`	`tss, tss! :-P`
`11:36.45`	`X-Fade`	`GeneralAntilles: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3844#c15`
`11:37.40`	`GeneralAntilles`	`X-Fade, what I said, but without the bile. ;)`
`11:38.07`	`X-Fade`	`Hehe I try to be as nice as possible ;)`
`11:38.29`	`thux`	`GeneralAntilles: you asked from nokia, is here somebody who speaks behave of nokia?`
`11:38.35`	`GeneralAntilles`	`X-Fade, re: 4298, it seems like there's enough space to keep the breadcrumb there without having to pad the header down farther.`
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`11:38.56`	`GeneralAntilles`	`thux, there are lots of Nokians, only very infrequently any who can speak on behalf of Nokia in an official capacity.`
`11:39.04`	`GeneralAntilles`	`and then only on certain specific subjects.`
`11:39.05`	`X-Fade`	`GeneralAntilles: Yeah, but not on the front page?`
`11:39.18`	`thux`	`ok`
`11:40.11`	`GeneralAntilles`	`X-Fade, it seems like just reducing the padding/margins on the breadcrumbs should be enough.`
`11:40.26`	`GeneralAntilles`	`But that's just by a quick comparison of newstyle.maemo.org and newstyle.maemo.org/downloads`
`11:40.27`	`andre___`	`Yeah, the answer to "what is a sharing plug-in" definitely leads to answers like "ovi".`
`11:41.01`	`X-Fade`	`GeneralAntilles: yeah, but there was this other bug where Tim wanted more spacing between breadcrumb and top nav. That is why there is so much space now ;)`
`11:41.05`	`Jaffa`	`andre___: I'm sure Nokia would love it if we populated it with thepiratebay.org plugins :)`
`11:41.14`	`GeneralAntilles`	`X-Fade, lol.`
`11:41.26`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Oh whore`
`11:41.31`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Comment's sitting in a mid-air`
`11:41.33`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Damn you, X-Fade!`
`11:41.54`	`andre___`	`Jaffa, sounds more like Extras category to me than officially shipped stuff ;-)`
`11:42.35`	`X-Fade`	`GeneralAntilles: Well then you don't have to apologize for your rude comment ;)`
`11:43.01`	`Jaffa`	`Mmmm, bile :)`
`11:43.15`	`GeneralAntilles`	`vomits.`
`11:44.15`	`lopz`	`hola`
`11:45.27`	`andre___`	`offers another beer for breakfast to GeneralAntilles`
`11:45.53`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I'm a mean drunk, do you really want MORE bile? :P`
`11:46.19`	`andre___`	`well, seems you're still quite productive when being drunk :-P`
`11:47.29`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Ovi is so silly`
`11:48.19`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Social networking that's limited to people who own Nokia products is about as ridiculous as it gets.`
`11:48.26`	`X-Fade`	`GeneralAntilles: Well, I kind of like that I can take a picture and it is automatically added to my album etc.`
`11:48.45`	`GeneralAntilles`	`A Flickr plugin would be better.`
`11:48.51`	`X-Fade`	`Well, there are ;)`
`11:49.01`	`X-Fade`	`It is in my N95 by default.`
`11:51.54`	`X-Fade`	`And ovi has an open API, IIRC?`
`11:52.30`	`X-Fade`	`As yerga created pyshare for it, I think?`
`11:59.15`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I say we break down and just create a category for every Nokia brand.`
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`13:07.26`	`StsN800`	`how's it going?`
`13:08.09`	`AFBlack`	`going good Mer is looking good btw`
`13:08.31`	`StsN800`	`ta`
`13:08.50`	`StsN800`	`moving nicely ahead6`
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`13:09.30`	`rkirti`	`StsN800, hello!`
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`13:23.05`	`StsN800`	`might be difficult`
`13:23.12`	`timsamoff`	`AFBlack: He's in #maemo-meeting right now.`
`13:23.40`	`AFBlack`	`yeah, everyone likes download off maemobox but not helping :)`
`13:23.48`	`AFBlack`	`timsamoff: is he talking there now?`
`13:24.08`	`timsamoff`	`AFBlack: Yes, we're in a maemo.org redesign meeting right now.`
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`13:24.31`	`AFBlack`	`ohh well I don't want to both your meeting`
`13:25.37`	`timsamoff`	`;)`
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`13:33.35`	`Macer`	`hello`
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`13:34.59`	`StsN800`	`lo`
`13:35.18`	`Macer`	`hey StsN800 .. still in poland?`
`13:35.33`	`woglinde`	`sts is on poland?`
`13:35.35`	`Macer`	`someone probably stole your n800 from your place by now :)`
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`13:35.40`	`Macer`	`haha`
`13:35.41`	`woglinde`	`lol`
`13:35.41`	`StsN800`	`yup. package waiting for me`
`13:35.49`	`Macer`	`where does your pkg wait?`
`13:35.50`	`StsN800`	`in post office`
`13:35.58`	`Macer`	`how long do they keep it there?`
`13:36.05`	`StsN800`	`14 days`
`13:36.20`	`StsN800`	`picking it up friday`
`13:36.49`	`Macer`	`well.. at least i know sending stuff international usps works :)`
`13:36.50`	`Macer`	`haha`
`13:37.48`	`Macer`	`castle is an awesome show`
`13:38.04`	`StsN800`	`bbl`
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`13:43.47`	`svu_`	`alterego?`
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`13:46.01`	`svu_`	`feels it is time to bury ruby on maemo publicly... and mourn`
`13:46.13`	`woglinde`	`g`
`13:46.13`	`thopiekar`	`hi.. is sudser available on os2007, too?`
`13:47.54`	`thopiekar`	`i mean the package in the programmanager called sudser ..`
`13:50.10`	`RST38h`	`svu: Don't mourn too much, another scripting-language-of-the-day will come up in the next month or two`
`13:50.27`	`woglinde`	`rst g`
`13:50.35`	`woglinde`	`I dont think so`
`13:50.43`	`RST38h`	`Hey, Sts, how is .PL?`
`13:51.02`	`Khertan1`	`lol`
`13:51.04`	`jaska`	`the perl tld`
`13:51.22`	`RST38h`	`woglinde: "You think you see no giant carnivorous hamster, but It exists!"`
`13:51.44`	`woglinde`	`rst In russia I bet`
`13:52.29`	`RST38h`	`woglinde: yes, soothe yourself with this thought... =)`
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`13:52.48`	`woglinde`	`hi udovdh`
`13:52.54`	`Macer`	`i love nexenta.. i sure wish it would run on my artigo`
`13:52.57`	`udovdh`	`hello woglinde`
`13:53.17`	`Khertan1`	`has finally understand how qt works`
`13:53.25`	`woglinde`	`khertan gratz`
`13:53.29`	`Khertan1`	`a little different approch from gtk`
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`13:53.47`	`woglinde`	`khertan yes you dont have thousands of _inits()`
`13:54.13`	`Khertan1`	`woglinde: in python we don't have thousands of _inits()`
`13:54.18`	`Khertan1`	`:)`
`13:54.28`	`Macer`	`gtk needs to go away :)`
`13:55.03`	`Khertan1`	`to be honest at this time i didn't see any advantage to use qt instead of gtk on the nits`
`13:55.17`	`Khertan1`	`instead of some developpers advantage`
`13:55.28`	`Khertan1`	`s/instead/excepts`
`13:55.38`	`Macer`	`it looks better`
`13:55.45`	`woglinde`	`macer yes`
`13:55.56`	`Khertan1`	`macer : not really ...`
`13:56.08`	`Khertan1`	`currently gtk look better on maemo than qt`
`13:56.12`	`woglinde`	`khertan hm I like to prgoramm in c++ more`
`13:56.14`	`Macer`	`i think it does.. at the very least the apps seem more uniform`
`13:56.28`	`Macer`	`like always having ok and cancel on teh same sides`
`13:56.53`	`Khertan1`	`"at the very least the apps " << yep white widget on white box`
`13:57.00`	`Khertan1`	`all things is white`
`13:57.01`	`Macer`	`but then again i'm sure that's a dev thing.. but it seems that they don't pay attention to it :)`
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`13:57.19`	`Macer`	`yeah... plus. i don't know what it is.. but it looks old and dated`
`13:57.26`	`Macer`	`like an advanced windows 3.11 :)`
`13:57.55`	`Khertan1`	`Macer ... depending on theme`
`13:57.57`	`woglinde`	`macer nope`
`13:58.17`	`woglinde`	`antonio works hard on it`
`13:59.40`	`Macer`	`well. i'm just saying with qt you could see an obvious advancement in kde`
`13:59.51`	`Macer`	`with gtk the apps look like they're mid 90s :)`
`14:00.23`	`Khertan1`	`Macer ... hum ...`
`14:00.33`	`Khertan1`	`really ?`
`14:00.38`	`woglinde`	`lol`
`14:00.45`	`mgedmin`	`the default gtk theme is pretty bad`
`14:00.53`	`Khertan1`	`the default`
`14:00.55`	`woglinde`	`so you mean gtk looks now how kde looked in version1`
`14:01.01`	`Khertan1`	`but look at the default qt theme on nit`
`14:01.05`	`Khertan1`	`it s worst`
`14:01.15`	`mgedmin`	`sometimes I see people post screenshots of gtk apps using the default theme`
`14:01.19`	`mgedmin`	`I cannot understand those people`
`14:01.31`	`mgedmin`	`now the default gnome theme is pretty`
`14:01.34`	`Khertan1`	`http://khertan.net/softwares/mCalendar/screenshot-5.png`
`14:01.38`	`Khertan1`	`it s a gtk apps`
`14:01.39`	`mgedmin`	`much prettier than any of the kde themes I've ever seen`
`14:01.39`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Linux has a problem with shitty defaults.`
`14:01.44`	`mgedmin`	`puts on asbestos underwear`
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`14:01.55`	`GeneralAntilles`	`KDE 4's default theme is gag-worthy.`
`14:02.05`	`woglinde`	`generall you mean the kernel?`
`14:02.26`	`woglinde`	`cde looks like 80s`
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`14:02.55`	`Khertan1`	`hum ... sorry for having launching this troll`
`14:03.07`	`woglinde`	`khertan no prob`
`14:03.42`	`Khertan1`	`so to close the things ... i ll suggest you some great theme for your gnome desktop : http://francois.vogelweith.com/`
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`14:06.15`	`thux`	`about candy, is new tablet going to be 3d accelerated? that compiz etc will work?`
`14:06.43`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It's using Clutter`
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`14:06.54`	`woglinde`	`with gles`
`14:07.02`	`GeneralAntilles`	`^`
`14:07.03`	`woglinde`	`this should be answer enough`
`14:07.26`	`woglinde`	`clutter ang gles I mean`
`14:07.27`	`lcuk`	`thux the new tablet uses a clutter based compositing manager`
`14:07.28`	`woglinde`	`and`
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`14:07.57`	`woglinde`	`re lcuk`
`14:07.58`	`thux`	`then 3d yes`
`14:08.26`	`lcuk`	`hi lol`
`14:08.33`	`thux`	`and gaming is more advanced too`
`14:08.38`	`lcuk`	`yes thux, ymmv as to how to get 3d into your app`
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`14:09.11`	`lcuk`	`but im not here now lol`
`14:09.16`	`lcuk`	`bbl`
`14:09.45`	`Khertan1`	`lcuk: get 3D in apps is really easy with 4D Glasses and Some Vectrex like Filter`
`14:09.55`	`Khertan1`	`3D glasses`
`14:10.28`	`lcuk`	`Khertan1, wouldnt the edges of the cubes chafe on your face a bit?`
`14:10.36`	`Khertan1`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier:Vectrex.jpg`
`14:10.56`	`Khertan1`	`http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier:Vectrex.jpg`
`14:11.03`	`Khertan1`	`sorry here is the right link`
`14:11.17`	`thux`	`tuxracer on tablets then`
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`14:13.42`	`Khertan1`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbGRkdHPqlc << the best game i ve ever play`
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`14:17.29`	`woglinde`	`khertan lol the gamepad`
`14:17.45`	`Khertan1`	`yeah but the gamepad was robust`
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`14:18.08`	`Khertan1`	`this was a very old console ... the first one to not done graphic pixel by pixel`
`14:18.18`	`Khertan1`	`his name vectrex ... come from vectoriel`
`14:18.46`	`Khertan1`	`the screen display line ... not pix`
`14:18.47`	`Khertan1`	`:)`
`14:19.13`	`Khertan1`	`Motorola 68A09 cadencÃ© Ã 1.6 MHz`
`14:19.18`	`Khertan1`	`this is the cpu`
`14:19.23`	`Khertan1`	`with 1Ko of ram`
`14:19.32`	`Khertan1`	`and 8Ko for the BIOS :)`
`14:19.45`	`Khertan1`	`and in this 8Ko there is the game minefield`
`14:19.48`	`woglinde`	`uh and they have rtype`
`14:19.51`	`woglinde`	`as game`
`14:19.56`	`wazd`	`Hostile enviroment in deep space!`
`14:19.58`	`Khertan1`	`screen : Samsung 240RB40 noir et blanc vectoriel`
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`14:20.13`	`Khertan1`	`it s not rtype ...`
`14:20.19`	`woglinde`	`scramble`
`14:20.23`	`woglinde`	`yes yes`
`14:20.23`	`Khertan1`	`it s better !`
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`14:20.56`	`Khertan1`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpYOy2qp9OI`
`14:21.48`	`woglinde`	`hm why this console was no sucess`
`14:21.58`	`Khertan1`	`too expensive`
`14:22.06`	`woglinde`	`never heard of it before`
`14:22.10`	`Khertan1`	`:)`
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`14:22.47`	`Khertan1`	`she was made in 1982`
`14:23.17`	`Khertan1`	`at this time where only a few elitist people own there own micro computer`
`14:23.43`	`woglinde`	`lol`
`14:23.44`	`woglinde`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vMliUZxQeU&feature=related`
`14:24.03`	`Khertan1`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_video_game_crash_of_1983`
`14:26.26`	`Khertan1`	`i like how they do colors :)`
`14:27.22`	`Khertan1`	`but in your video this is not the original gamepad`
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`14:29.38`	`woglinde`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vectrex`
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`14:29.52`	`woglinde`	`khertan it is explained in the wiki acrticle`
`14:31.09`	`RST38h`	`Vectrex was too weird`
`14:31.27`	`woglinde`	`okay`
`14:31.30`	`RST38h`	`Its failure had nothing to do with the videogame crash, it was just too weird`
`14:31.31`	`woglinde`	`will go home`
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`14:32.45`	`Khertan1`	`RST38h: are you kidding ?`
`14:32.56`	`RST38h`	`Khertan: No`
`14:33.34`	`woglinde`	`bye till later`
`14:33.39`	`Khertan1`	`haha ...`
`14:33.55`	`Khertan1`	`this was far away better than some actual console !`
`14:34.00`	`RST38h`	`Khertan: See Virtual Boy for the more recent example of the same`
`14:34.30`	`Khertan1`	`virtual boy is a failure because each time someone use it more than 10 minutes he goes ill`
`14:34.45`	`RST38h`	`That too`
`14:35.54`	`Khertan1`	`you can get ill by using a vectrex :`
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`14:36.45`	`RST38h`	`Khertan: you can get color blind though, as it had no chrominance or luminance controls`
`14:36.58`	`Khertan1`	`lol`
`14:37.21`	`RST38h`	`All in all, it was an amusing piece of hardware, pretty much like VB`
`14:37.23`	`Khertan1`	`did you have really try it ?`
`14:37.28`	`RST38h`	`Yea`
`14:37.43`	`Khertan1`	`hum ... are you sure this is a vectrex ?`
`14:37.56`	`RST38h`	`And we did a similar thing with a standard oscilloscope back in high school times`
`14:38.15`	`RST38h`	`Khertan; Well, it looked like one, seen it at a flea market`
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`14:38.45`	`Khertan1`	`yes so you never really play with it`
`14:39.07`	`RST38h`	`Khertan: It was turned on and people played with it`
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`14:39.12`	`Khertan1`	`as i ve play with one when i was younger ...`
`14:39.36`	`RST38h`	`Khertan: I started playing on an MSX`
`14:39.55`	`Khertan1`	`and really ... it s really better than the other things that exists`
`14:39.59`	`RST38h`	`Khertan: So, I measure most these systems by MSX standards`
`14:40.41`	`RST38h`	`Khertan: Well, it is a vector based device, so it is DIFFERENT. As to being better, I wouldn't bet on it`
`14:41.51`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Nostalgia is the most important metric for determining the relative awesomeness of old consoles. ;)`
`14:42.56`	`RST38h`	`That is another department where women do better than hardware though =)`
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`14:45.01`	`RST38h`	`Anyone knows what happens with x86 rol eax,cl when cl>31?`
`14:45.41`	`RST38h`	`found it., ok`
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`14:48.48`	`thux`	`RST38h: rol, eax, cl what those cpu commands?`
`14:49.20`	`RST38h`	`rol is an x86 assembler instruction`
`14:49.28`	`thux`	`ok`
`14:49.32`	`RST38h`	`eax is what is known as "accumulator" in Intel world`
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`14:49.52`	`RST38h`	`cl is just an 8bit register specifying shift amount`
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`14:50.30`	`mgedmin`	`wonders if there was ever an instruction set with a lol instruction`
`14:50.49`	`RST38h`	`Nope`
`14:51.15`	`RST38h`	`But there was HCF, if that strikes your fancy`
`14:53.17`	`thux`	`persistent urban rumor sayz (heard it many times) that linus went to help intel with p4 instructions, i never believed that thou`
`14:54.05`	`RST38h`	`Linux went to Transmeta, not Intel`
`14:54.30`	`RST38h`	`But the rumor may have some grounds in that pesky divizion bug`
`14:54.30`	`thux`	`that is true`
`14:54.55`	`RST38h`	`thux: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_FDIV_bug`
`14:55.06`	`*** topic/#maemo by timsamoff -> Welcome to #maemo \| The new maemo.org is launching tomorrow at 1200 UTC! \| http://maemo.org \| Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council \| http://mxr.maemo.org \| http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog`
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`14:55.15`	`RST38h`	`Actually, wrong bug, wait =)`
`14:55.32`	`Khertan1`	`bye`
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`14:55.52`	`RST38h`	`Here, enjoy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F00f`
`14:56.13`	`thux`	`thanks`
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`15:07.04`	`thux`	`btw cause low level experts around, i ask something off topic which has bother me :) got two years old lap turion64 which got acpi dsdt bug, some say purposely written (phoenix bios) bother linux works with vista, is there a way go around dsdt bugs? (tried all acpi and apic options in grub)`
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`15:09.51`	`RST38h`	`Get yourself a geniune Intel-based laptop? =)`
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`15:11.24`	`RST38h`	`actually it looks like this is a chipset bug`
`15:12.03`	`thux`	`ok`
`15:13.58`	`pupnik_`	`many great engineers at intel`
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`15:14.26`	`pupnik_`	`but i will never forgive 8088`
`15:15.00`	`thux`	`if i use linux all the fans are full speed all the time cause fan control ain't work`
`15:15.07`	`\|dl9pf\|`	`thux: if you find/found a correct dsdt, you can load it with the kernel`
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`15:16.58`	`thux`	`\|dl9pf\|: yes they say that can even rewrite buggy parts if knows acpi language`
`15:18.10`	`RST38h`	`pupnik: Is 8088 any worse than the rest of them? =)`
`15:19.19`	`pupnik_`	`it turned me off real coding when i was a wee lad`
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`15:41.13`	`RST38h`	`pupnik: well, things have not improved much =)`
`15:41.27`	`RST38h`	`pupnik: with x86 architecture, I mean, not with you =)`
`15:42.24`	`pupnik_`	`both`
`15:42.39`	`pupnik_`	`but its all ok`
`15:42.51`	`pupnik_`	`we are imperfect`
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`15:47.01`	`thopiekar`	`how can a os2007 user execute a command as root?`
`15:47.21`	`gomiam`	`you can install becomeroot...`
`15:47.30`	`mgedmin`	`by getting root access using one of the documented methods, one of them being becomeroot`
`15:47.35`	`thopiekar`	`where can i get it?`
`15:47.37`	`gomiam`	`and osso-xterm`
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`15:47.52`	`mgedmin`	`I think installing openssh-server on os2007 also let you set the root password, or was that new in os2008?`
`15:48.04`	`RST38h`	`openssh is the best solution IMHO`
`15:48.25`	`thopiekar`	`I need it because someone of the german maemo forum (n800.de) has trouble with his tablet`
`15:48.37`	`qwerty12`	`likes sudser for OS2008`
`15:48.50`	`thopiekar`	`RST38h: I just need the easiest way ;)`
`15:48.59`	`gomiam`	`mgedmin: openssh-server let you do that on os2007 too.`
`15:49.15`	`thopiekar`	`sudser is fine, but not available for os2007`
`15:49.18`	`thopiekar`	`;)`
`15:49.28`	`qwerty12`	`Er, yes, hence the OS2008 ;)`
`15:49.52`	`thopiekar`	`so the package is called becomeroot?`
`15:50.17`	`thopiekar`	`has I can remember the user is able to get root with sudo gainroot right?`
`15:51.09`	`thopiekar`	`..`
`15:54.10`	`mgedmin`	`there were two versions of becomeroot, 0.1 and 0.2`
`15:54.18`	`mgedmin`	`they used different ways of granting root access`
`15:54.29`	`mgedmin`	`one let you sudo su, the other let you sudo gainroot, IIRC`
`15:54.48`	`mgedmin`	`sudo gainroot is also what you can use if you enable r&d mode with the flasher`
`15:54.58`	`RST38h`	`thopiekar: ssh is the easiest way as you can log in remotely`
`15:55.27`	`RST38h`	`thopiekar: otherwise, it is either virtual keyboard or whatever n810 abomination is called`
`15:55.42`	`thopiekar`	`RST38h: I don't think it'S the easiest way for a beginner..`
`15:56.07`	`thopiekar`	`the user has joined the forum the last days..`
`15:56.36`	`RST38h`	`ok`
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`16:11.09`	`mgedmin`	`"beginner" and "root access" don't exactly mesh`
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`16:22.06`	`thopiekar`	`mgedmin: :P`
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`16:29.41`	`RST38h`	`on the other hand, he has to brick his tablet for the first time, hasn't he?`
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`17:06.35`	`Guest7846_680`	`someone have a tip for generate a code for base64 image (whit space at rigth place for control files) ???`
`17:06.46`	`RST38h`	`uuencode -m`
`17:07.16`	`Guest7846_680`	`and what path`
`17:08.04`	`RST38h`	`man uuencode`
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`17:11.43`	`Guest7846_680`	`so is root@pubuntu:/home# x.png uuencode -m`
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`17:12.08`	`Guest7846_680`	`?`
`17:12.25`	`RST38h`	`mmm`
`17:12.49`	`RST38h`	`you probably want to start by reading some introductory book on Unix`
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`17:13.30`	`Guest7846_680`	`iam better learning when i practice`
`17:13.31`	`Guest7846_680`	`h/h/`
`17:13.52`	`Guest7846_680`	`but tx`
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`17:14.06`	`RST38h`	`practice running a program called "man" then`
`17:14.25`	`RST38h`	`"man uuencode" will tell you all you need to know about uuencode`
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`17:18.39`	`woglinde`	`a programm from the stoneage`
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`17:23.32`	`RST38h`	`it works.`
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`17:24.55`	`RST38h`	`http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/9341_Will_the_Visible_Operating_Sys.php`
`17:25.05`	`woglinde`	`rst I know`
`17:25.25`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`woglinde, has to be good if the druids used it to program their stone-circles`
`17:25.29`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`bug-free :)`
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`17:35.43`	`Guest7846_680`	`dpkg-buildpackage: failure: tail of debian/changelog gave error exit status 1 ????`
`17:36.14`	`Guest7846_680`	`what this mean`
`17:36.29`	`woglinde`	`that the debian/changelog file has an error`
`17:36.44`	`qwerty12`	`Or it doesn't exist...`
`17:36.54`	`woglinde`	`qwerty12 right`
`17:37.26`	`Guest7846_680`	`this files is very necessary? for build a pack`
`17:37.32`	`woglinde`	`yes`
`17:37.36`	`Guest7846_680`	`ok`
`17:37.55`	`Guest7846_680`	`and how i can know my error in if he exist already`
`17:38.03`	`woglinde`	`hm new ubuntu in 2 days`
`17:38.22`	`woglinde`	`netbook remix next week`
`17:38.46`	`woglinde`	`and kernel will be .24 for poulsbo chipset I bet`
`17:38.49`	`thux`	`about compiling programs, c`
`17:38.55`	`thux`	`ups`
`17:39.21`	`thux`	`can i do same than in pc?`
`17:39.28`	`woglinde`	`thux what?`
`17:39.38`	`thux`	`configure make`
`17:39.49`	`thux`	`make install`
`17:39.53`	`woglinde`	`configure make runs on many platforms`
`17:40.14`	`thux`	`in tablet too?`
`17:40.25`	`woglinde`	`if you like sm yes`
`17:42.12`	`thux`	`what is the problem? geting through configure?`
`17:42.12`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`noki`
`17:42.14`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`ops`
`17:42.24`	`woglinde`	`thux the speed`
`17:42.32`	`thux`	`ah`
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`17:47.23`	`Guest7846_680`	`i cant find where is my error in the changelog file`
`17:47.36`	`Guest7846_680`	`maybe i not save it in good way`
`17:48.22`	`woglinde`	`guest diff it with a working one`
`17:50.52`	`thux`	`woglinde: theoritically i could pull firefox source to tablet and start to configure? would i get binaries that run at some point? no architechture problems?`
`17:51.31`	`woglinde`	`theoretical it should work`
`17:51.46`	`woglinde`	`but you need 2 gb extened card`
`17:51.52`	`StsN800`	`practically busybox is a pita`
`17:52.38`	`woglinde`	`sts haha type bash`
`17:52.45`	`woglinde`	`ducks and hide`
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`18:00.31`	`RST38h`	`thux: theoretically yes, practically don't`
`18:01.26`	`thux`	`cause busybox?`
`18:01.43`	`StsN800`	`and sanity`
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`18:43.40`	`id10t`	`'lo all`
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`18:44.12`	`id10t`	`i've got a n770, had it for a long time, but its been a while since i've updated... whats the latest OS I can run on it?`
`18:45.12`	`StsN800`	`os2008he, or mer`
`18:45.28`	`id10t`	`cool, thanks`
`18:45.32`	`id10t`	`gonna update tonight`
`18:46.04`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`a-gps`
`18:46.10`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`damnit`
`18:46.12`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`again`
`18:48.49`	`robtaylor`	`CutMeOwnThroat: dibbler?`
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`18:49.56`	`VDVsx`	`StsN800, how is going the promotion of maemo/mozilla event ?`
`18:53.32`	`StsN800`	`VDVsx, not sure. would be nicer with more mer peeps`
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`18:57.32`	`Shadow__X`	`CutMeOwnThroat, have you gotten gps locks to come down in time`
`18:58.08`	`VDVsx`	`StsN800, I just spamed some LinkedIn mobile groups with the event :P, probably is there some DK people, promotion at the university that will held the event will be probably good to attract more people too.`
`18:58.40`	`StsN800`	`VDVsx, k sounds good`
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`19:27.08`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`robtaylor, saussageinnabun?`
`19:27.57`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`today with free mustard!`
`19:28.08`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`Shadow__X?`
`19:28.31`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`ah, no, just fooling around with it for the first time`
`19:28.49`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`that a-gps should have gone into google, but the mouse moved`
`19:31.52`	`Shadow__X`	`ah ok`
`19:32.48`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`trying to figure what software one should use for the gps`
`19:34.41`	`Shadow__X`	`agps will help aquistion times`
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`19:35.23`	`Shadow__X`	`it gives a closer area to search for gps satellite`
`19:35.33`	`GeneralAntilles`	`lol . . . http://www.raiden.net/articles/big_things_come_in_little_packages_an_overview_of_the_maemo_project/`
`19:35.48`	`Khertan_mer_mibb`	`hello !`
`19:36.22`	`Khertan_mer_mibb`	`stskeep: your repository is down ?`
`19:36.39`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It's so wrong, I can't help but think it's satire.`
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`19:46.15`	`Khertan`	`Hello 2 :)`
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`19:57.50`	`RST38h`	`moo khertan`
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`20:01.38`	`Jaffa`	`GeneralAntilles: I like the way he gets upset on ITT when Gizmodo or someone gets a new device to play with and he, as a serious blogg^Wjournalist, doesn't.`
`20:01.54`	`Jaffa`	`Oh, Comic Sans MS. I didn't even know I had it on this box. How irritating.`
`20:02.07`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Haha`
`20:02.46`	`RST38h`	`likes Comic Sans MS. Ho ho ho`
`20:02.59`	`RST38h`	`(not everywhere though =))`
`20:03.01`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Jaffa, it's got to be satire.`
`20:03.05`	`Jaffa`	`GeneralAntilles: Oh god, that's almost like The Onion does Maemo.`
`20:03.17`	`Jaffa`	`GeneralAntilles: From his ITT persona, I'd doubt it.`
`20:03.28`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Yeah, I doubt it too`
`20:03.31`	`GeneralAntilles`	`but I can't believe it.`
`20:03.34`	`Jaffa`	`also likes the hideously broken character encoding`
`20:03.48`	`Jaffa`	`(since I seem to spend every other week diagnosing them at work ;-))`
`20:05.31`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I wonder if my freedesktop.org bug was ever fixed.`
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`20:06.15`	`Guest4105_304`	`any info somewhere about zephir`
`20:06.38`	`Jaffa`	`Guest4105_304: Xephyr? (The nested X server allowing you to see the SDK environment on a box)`
`20:06.54`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Of course not https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18218`
`20:06.59`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Not exactly confidence inspiring.`
`20:07.36`	`Guest4105_304`	`yes jaffa or better then that iam on ubu`
`20:08.57`	`Jaffa`	Guest4105_304: `apt-get install xserver-xephyr' should do it for you
`20:09.54`	`Guest4105_304`	`tx`
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`20:13.04`	`StsN800`	`i wonder if MIDs do psm.`
`20:13.57`	`GeneralAntilles`	`StsN800, who else implements WiFi PSM?`
`20:14.02`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I'd really love to know.`
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`20:14.33`	`GeneralAntilles`	`After buying this Mini 9, I've decided that I can't live without tablet-grade powersaving.`
`20:14.49`	`StsN800`	`yeah - i really wonder`
`20:15.16`	`StsN800`	`the psm based on system activity is surprisingily logic`
`20:15.19`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Honestly, I doubt there'd be much point since they've got that giant Atom in there. ;)`
`20:15.39`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I mean, Intel's designed it to be turned off when not in use.`
`20:15.48`	`StsN800`	`true`
`20:16.34`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Which has got to be the silliest thing ever.`
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`20:18.04`	`woglinde`	`ga you have a mini9 with pouslbo?`
`20:18.05`	`woglinde`	`haha`
`20:18.45`	`GeneralAntilles`	`pouslbo?`
`20:18.58`	`woglinde`	`poulsbo`
`20:19.00`	`woglinde`	`gma500`
`20:19.12`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Ah, OK.`
`20:19.18`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It was $240`
`20:19.24`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I needed an x86 machine.`
`20:19.45`	`woglinde`	`and now you are stick with kernel .24`
`20:19.56`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Er?`
`20:20.05`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It's on kernel 28 or 29 at the moment.`
`20:20.07`	`woglinde`	`or is vesa enough for you`
`20:20.45`	`v6sa`	`hello, I created account on garage.maemo.org and I am waiting over 30 minutes already to log in on maemo.org but nutin!`
`20:20.51`	`v6sa`	`any comments?`
`20:21.19`	`lcuk`	`yeah, it was a nice day today`
`20:21.44`	`GeneralAntilles`	`woglinde, 2.6.28`
`20:21.53`	`GeneralAntilles`	`woglinde, I think your info's off.`
`20:22.26`	`woglinde`	`not really`
`20:22.40`	`woglinde`	`if you want the cool feature the poulsbo really can do`
`20:22.48`	`woglinde`	`you are sticked with .24`
`20:22.49`	`GeneralAntilles`	`woglinde, well, what you're saying and what I'm seeing don't mesh.`
`20:26.08`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Well, either you're wrong or it's a GMA 950.`
`20:26.41`	`woglinde`	`ga hm`
`20:26.41`	`woglinde`	`then mini10 was it`
`20:26.49`	`woglinde`	`let me see`
`20:27.49`	`woglinde`	`ah sorry`
`20:27.59`	`woglinde`	`damned why I mixed them up`
`20:28.22`	`woglinde`	`goes in the corner`
`20:30.07`	`GeneralAntilles`	`v6sa, it takes a little time.`
`20:30.15`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Patience is key.`
`20:30.17`	`v6sa`	`:D`
`20:30.22`	`v6sa`	`approximately?`
`20:30.38`	`GeneralAntilles`	`v6sa, alternatively, make sure you're not capitalizing your username.`
`20:30.52`	`v6sa`	`I didn't do that`
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`20:56.08`	`kanth`	`hi`
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`21:11.35`	`Myrtti`	`god I hate panucci`
`21:12.27`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Panucci's Pizza?`
`21:13.18`	`Myrtti`	`no, the audio player`
`21:13.28`	`b-man`	`lol`
`21:14.13`	`Myrtti`	`how the fuck can I add several files to the queue?`
`21:14.46`	`Myrtti`	`I downloaded ecamerone from librivox...`
`21:15.05`	`Myrtti`	`Decamerone, even`
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`21:16.31`	`Myrtti`	`and smarter ones of you may know/look up how many days (chapterss/mp3 files) it consists of...`
`21:17.28`	`GeneralAntilles`	`What's special about Panucci?`
`21:19.03`	`Myrtti`	`I'm starting to wonder it myself...`
`21:19.51`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Well, if it's just an audio player, why not use Media player or something?`
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`21:20.08`	`Myrtti`	`but it has resuming and you can do bookmarks on a particular spot on the file`
`21:20.29`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Ah, that'd be what's special.`
`21:20.54`	`Myrtti`	`so in theory it's nice with podcasts and audiobooks`
`21:21.16`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I don't know any other bookmarking audio players.`
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`21:22.22`	`Myrtti`	`the nokia audiobook player for s60 is nicee but i'd much rather use my n800`
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`21:28.54`	`khertan_`	`ho my god ! i can t install mplayer on Mer!`
`21:28.59`	`khertan_`	`:)`
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`23:17.17`	`pupnik_`	`valent`
`23:17.54`	`pupnik_`	`maybe xmodmap`
`23:18.09`	`pupnik_`	`ctrl-left/right`
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