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| 02:16.13 | lopz | hola |
| 02:16.40 | luke-jr | how is the slider lock exposed to software? |
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| 02:53.09 | AndrewFBlack | hey b-man` |
| 02:54.56 | b-man` | hay, AndrewFBlack :) |
| 02:54.56 | b-man` | i've successfully got mac os running on my N800 XD |
| 02:54.59 | b-man` | with BasiliskII |
| 02:55.21 | luke-jr | b-man`: you are sick |
| 02:55.27 | b-man` | lol |
| 02:55.51 | b-man` | is a bit crazy XD |
| 02:56.00 | luke-jr | b-man`: how is the slider lock exposed to software? |
| 02:56.49 | b-man` | slider lock? - you mean iphone os? |
| 02:57.31 | luke-jr | ⦠no |
| 02:57.40 | luke-jr | the lock thing on the top-right of the N8x0 |
| 02:57.51 | b-man` | oh |
| 02:58.03 | AndrewFBlack | b-man` what version of mac os? |
| 02:58.10 | b-man` | 8.10 |
| 02:58.15 | AndrewFBlack | no way lol |
| 02:58.18 | b-man` | re; 8.1 |
| 02:58.24 | b-man` | yup XD |
| 02:58.25 | AndrewFBlack | slow as hell I bet |
| 02:58.28 | luke-jr | oh |
| 02:58.30 | luke-jr | not X |
| 02:58.33 | b-man` | not really |
| 02:58.48 | b-man` | is working on os x right now |
| 02:58.53 | AndrewFBlack | lol |
| 02:58.58 | b-man` | xD |
| 02:59.13 | luke-jr | b-man`: why not work on Gentoo with us? |
| 02:59.25 | AndrewFBlack | my poor poor 770 and n810 havn't been used for a total of 30 mins since I got my ipod touch :( |
| 02:59.36 | b-man` | :( |
| 02:59.45 | luke-jr | what good is ipod touch |
| 02:59.47 | fireun | AndrewFBlack: if you dont -want- your 810 anymore... (: |
| 02:59.55 | b-man` | lol |
| 02:59.56 | luke-jr | fireun: no wai, I got dibbs |
| 02:59.59 | AndrewFBlack | fireun if the price is right |
| 03:00.06 | luke-jr | AndrewFBlack: $5 |
| 03:00.10 | fireun | haha |
| 03:00.12 | tank-man | $6 |
| 03:00.12 | b-man` | lol |
| 03:00.13 | fireun | fail |
| 03:00.13 | AndrewFBlack | not the right price |
| 03:00.15 | luke-jr | AndrewFBlack: 200 yen? |
| 03:00.24 | AndrewFBlack | I wouldn't even five you the 770 for $5 lol |
| 03:00.27 | AndrewFBlack | and i got it for free |
| 03:00.35 | b-man` | ol |
| 03:00.36 | b-man` | l |
| 03:00.37 | luke-jr | five me? O.o |
| 03:00.40 | fireun | I've got 2 770s already, thanks |
| 03:00.42 | luke-jr | AndrewFBlack: 200 yen? |
| 03:01.02 | AndrewFBlack | I have been using the n810 a littel for GPS and running carman just for the heck of it in truck |
| 03:01.24 | luke-jr | HEY ACCEPT OR REJECT MY OFFER -.- |
| 03:01.34 | AndrewFBlack | rejected |
| 03:01.35 | luke-jr | aww |
| 03:01.37 | luke-jr | crud |
| 03:01.50 | AndrewFBlack | what is 200 yen now and days about $3 |
| 03:02.05 | luke-jr | you weren't supposed to know that XD |
| 03:03.26 | AndrewFBlack | only $2.01 |
| 03:03.42 | AndrewFBlack | I don't know if I would sale it really I might find a spot for it again in my life |
| 03:04.31 | fireun | I'll spend 80$ for a solar panel rather than spend that and more for another widget I've gotta plug in |
| 03:12.08 | b-man` | cannot tell you where he got the mac images btw XP |
| 03:12.30 | AndrewFBlack | of course you have a mac right :) |
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| 03:12.58 | luke-jr | new macs don't include 8.1 |
| 03:13.15 | AndrewFBlack | maybe he has an old mac |
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| 03:14.36 | b-man2 | i'm back |
| 03:15.28 | b-man16 | 's connection sucks XP |
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| 03:20.06 | iateadonut1 | hi. |
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| 03:21.18 | b-man16 | hello, iateadonut1 |
| 03:22.02 | iateadonut1 | just wondering about installing linux on pda's is all. |
| 03:22.08 | b-man16 | johnx, i got mac os 8.1 running on my tablet XD |
| 03:22.10 | iateadonut1 | i installed opie on an ipaq 1910. |
| 03:22.24 | iateadonut1 | but the opie community really just isn't that active. |
| 03:22.27 | iateadonut1 | so i stopped in here. |
| 03:23.08 | johnx | b-man16, nice. I'm actually installing ubuntu in qemu ppc right now :) |
| 03:23.20 | b-man16 | awsome :) |
| 03:23.59 | johnx | iateadonut1, maemo is a lot more active than opie these days |
| 03:24.14 | iateadonut1 | how'd that happen? |
| 03:24.47 | johnx | It has Nokia's weight behind it |
| 03:25.05 | iateadonut1 | does it install onto old pda's like the ipaq? |
| 03:25.11 | iateadonut1 | like old ipaq's i should say. |
| 03:25.17 | johnx | not really |
| 03:25.30 | johnx | Maemo itself is purpose-built for just Nokia's tablets |
| 03:25.49 | iateadonut1 | what are good systems for pda's? |
| 03:26.00 | johnx | Angstrom is still around |
| 03:26.15 | johnx | and a group of us are working on taking the best parts of Nokia's Maemo and making it work on other handhelds |
| 03:26.53 | johnx | There's support for the pocketloox 720, and I'm actually working on Zaurus support |
| 03:27.10 | johnx | depending on what generation of ipaq it was it might be easy to support that too to some degree |
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| 03:27.56 | zakkm | is the conkeror web browser in mer, availiable in maemo? |
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| 03:35.16 | b-man16 | wants to see if he can get mac os 10.3 running on his tablet |
| 03:35.16 | b-man16 | i compiled pearpc successfully :) |
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| 03:35.39 | zakkm | b-man16: that would be awesome |
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| 03:47.28 | lpotter | that would be painfully slow, most likely |
| 03:48.11 | iateadonut1 | i was just thinking that. |
| 03:48.29 | johnx | iateadonut1, so what ipaq do you have? |
| 03:48.43 | iateadonut1 | 1910 |
| 03:48.58 | iateadonut1 | i just want to put dictionaries and maybe some snes games on it. |
| 03:49.04 | iateadonut1 | (i live in china) |
| 03:49.14 | iateadonut1 | i was hoping to get it working so you can write chinese characters. |
| 03:49.20 | iateadonut1 | and then look in the dictionary. |
| 03:49.34 | zakkm | nice ipaq :) |
| 03:49.36 | johnx | you might want to look at angstrom with gpe |
| 03:49.39 | iateadonut1 | maybe have a flashcard program on it. |
| 03:49.44 | iateadonut1 | i will do that. |
| 03:49.57 | iateadonut1 | opie is pretty nice, actually, but there's not a lot of community around it. |
| 03:50.25 | lpotter | there are a few people still working on opie |
| 03:50.49 | iateadonut1 | that's true. they had a nice release last september. |
| 03:50.52 | johnx | 64MB of RAM and 240x320 might be a little on the low side for Mer (or anything Maemo-based) |
| 03:51.15 | johnx | I know there's a kanji dictionary for X11/GPE |
| 03:51.28 | johnx | I have doubts you'll end up with full speed SNES emulation though |
| 03:52.52 | zakkm | if your pay shipping from canada, ill send you my ipaq 3650? |
| 03:53.51 | johnx | iateadonut1, are you interested in something ready-to-use or are you looking for a project to help out with? :D |
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| 04:00.09 | Shadow__X | midori and tear load soo quicky |
| 04:00.11 | Shadow__X | very nice |
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| 04:01.51 | zakkm | Shadow_X: mer or maemo? |
| 04:02.42 | Shadow__X | maemo |
| 04:02.44 | Shadow__X | n810 |
| 04:02.55 | zakkm | ahh i want a n810, should of got one |
| 04:03.08 | zakkm | just installing the newest mer testing2 now |
| 04:03.14 | Shadow__X | yeah its great esp now with these webkit browsers i am going to using it more again |
| 04:03.28 | zakkm | which do you find better? |
| 04:04.06 | Shadow__X | well the problem is they both load nicely but i do like flashblock for microb |
| 04:04.22 | Shadow__X | but i think i like midori better |
| 04:05.22 | zakkm | didnt get round to installing tear on my newest install, been using microb and midori, been deciding if it was worth it |
| 04:14.14 | Shadow__X | better than a none smart phone |
| 04:14.21 | Shadow__X | sometimes better than smart phones |
| 04:24.18 | Shadow__X | wait why cant i use my thumb to scroll in midori |
| 04:24.36 | johnx | because midori doesn't have that feature |
| 04:26.16 | Shadow__X | hmm tear does |
| 04:26.19 | Shadow__X | tear wins |
| 04:26.20 | Shadow__X | lol |
| 04:55.26 | sp3000 | tears wins |
| 05:15.24 | pupnik | tear? |
| 05:15.31 | johnx | the web browser |
| 05:15.35 | pupnik | very nice browser |
| 05:17.25 | luke-jr | :< |
| 05:17.34 | luke-jr | watchdog is killing me when I try to link qt-webkit |
| 05:17.46 | johnx | why don't you disable it? |
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| 05:23.19 | luke-jr | johnx: I don't want to run proprietary flasher |
| 05:23.24 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: wb |
| 05:23.33 | luke-jr | johnx: that said, I have some new LDFLAGS to try |
| 05:23.41 | johnx | are you sure 0xffff can't do it? |
| 05:23.43 | luke-jr | --no-keep-memory --reduce-memory-overheads -O1 -S |
| 05:23.59 | luke-jr | johnx: I don't like messing with low-level stuff that much |
| 05:24.11 | johnx | well, it's your time I suppose |
| 05:24.19 | luke-jr | the real problem is it using 512 MB + RAM |
| 05:24.32 | luke-jr | hence my LDFLAGS approach |
| 05:25.05 | slonopotamus | mooorning |
| 05:25.12 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: I found us some nice LDFLAGS |
| 05:25.33 | slonopotamus | luke-jr, uh? what's wrong with default? |
| 05:25.48 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: major swappage and watchdog kill building qt-webkit |
| 05:25.59 | luke-jr | 200 MB swap in use on my N810 right now |
| 05:26.20 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: also, it is possible getting N810 kb working may require a new kernel :< |
| 05:26.26 | slonopotamus | err... tried limiting gcc? |
| 05:26.32 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: it's linking |
| 05:26.39 | luke-jr | compile is all distcc now |
| 05:27.12 | slonopotamus | o_O linking? 200mb??? what the hell it is doing? |
| 05:27.36 | luke-jr | qt-webkit :p |
| 05:27.54 | slonopotamus | luke-jr, i don't buy it :) maemo has kb, mer has kb, why can't gentoo have it too? |
| 05:28.00 | luke-jr | kb? |
| 05:28.10 | luke-jr | wtf is kb |
| 05:28.12 | slonopotamus | luke-jr, or you're talking about console, not x? |
| 05:28.16 | luke-jr | oh |
| 05:28.21 | luke-jr | both actually |
| 05:28.29 | luke-jr | apparently Maemo's Xomap is hacked up for it |
| 05:28.47 | luke-jr | and Mer supposedly has no solution yet |
| 05:28.58 | johnx | huh? that's news to me |
| 05:29.09 | luke-jr | johnx: Stskeeps mentioned a bug, but I couldn't find it ;) |
| 05:29.15 | slonopotamus | hmm. isn't it just a question of proper keymap file? |
| 05:29.18 | johnx | it should be working in mer |
| 05:29.22 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: partly |
| 05:29.22 | rm_you | dies |
| 05:29.29 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: the problem is the Fn key is keycode 464 |
| 05:29.35 | johnx | hey, look! a dead rm_you |
| 05:29.36 | luke-jr | and kbd only supports up to 255 |
| 05:29.45 | luke-jr | X11 protocol also has an 8-bit limit on keycodes |
| 05:29.50 | rm_you | i was sitting down to write a paper today |
| 05:29.53 | slonopotamus | who is kbd? |
| 05:29.54 | rm_you | thats due tomorrow |
| 05:29.59 | rm_you | and my server started clicking |
| 05:30.01 | rm_you | >_< |
| 05:30.11 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: sys-apps/kbd |
| 05:30.14 | johnx | rm_you, did you track down what drive it was? |
| 05:30.18 | rm_you | six hours later, back up and running, mosting |
| 05:30.18 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: loadkeys |
| 05:30.21 | rm_you | *mostly |
| 05:30.23 | rm_you | yeah |
| 05:30.44 | rm_you | I have 5 1Tb drives, a 160g that has random useless backup crap on it, and a 250g that had my OS install |
| 05:30.51 | rm_you | the 250 went down and took my OS with it |
| 05:30.53 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: I patched it with something I found ona Debian ML, and it doesn't error now, but it doesn't work either :< |
| 05:31.03 | rm_you | fortunately i revived it long enough to rsync everything off |
| 05:31.29 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: oh, and network/sshd refuse to start on boot :< |
| 05:31.33 | rm_you | and shoved a new 250g in there, partitioned it accordingly, rsynced everything over, changed some grub config stuff, installed grub, and voila |
| 05:31.47 | rm_you | currently rebuilding my raid |
| 05:31.58 | rm_you | as apparently one of my RAID drives is hd0 |
| 05:32.16 | rm_you | and when i installed grub it marked it as a dirt drive, so my raid was degraded >_> |
| 05:32.23 | rm_you | *dirty |
| 05:32.32 | luke-jr | lol |
| 05:32.37 | rm_you | i wonder if rebuilding the raid on it will wipe my grub install again >_> |
| 05:32.52 | luke-jr | no doubt |
| 05:32.58 | slonopotamus | hmm |
| 05:33.03 | rm_you | johnx: so anyway, yeah, long day |
| 05:33.10 | rm_you | and scratchbox is still broken *sigh* |
| 05:33.19 | rm_you | dies, then goes to bed |
| 05:33.26 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: it never TRIES to start them either :/ |
| 05:33.35 | slonopotamus | luke-jr, is it possible to trick something into assigning fn key another keycode? |
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| 05:34.01 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: in theory, but the Maemo kernel's kb driver doesn't support that ⺠|
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| 05:34.14 | slonopotamus | oh crap |
| 05:34.15 | luke-jr | aha, Gentoo is loading in init 2 for some reason |
| 05:34.31 | slonopotamus | fix your bootmenu |
| 05:34.44 | luke-jr | but what if it breaks? :< |
| 05:34.51 | luke-jr | I don't know how to revert the bootmenu I have now.. |
| 05:34.53 | slonopotamus | it doesn't load /linuxrc from gentoo partition |
| 05:35.16 | slonopotamus | backup initfs partition to desktop |
| 05:35.33 | slonopotamus | then restore it with flasher if you break smth |
| 05:35.44 | Guest6312_731 | someone can tell me where i can find a most complete source.list files allow me to apt-get the mostly app and lib for devellopement |
| 05:36.04 | luke-jr | â¡ mapping Fullscreen button to Tab |
| 05:36.20 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: flasher is proprietary |
| 05:36.46 | slonopotamus | err |
| 05:37.03 | slonopotamus | luke-jr, how you update maemo then? |
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| 05:37.23 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: apt-get |
| 05:37.42 | Meiz_n810 | morning |
| 05:37.44 | slonopotamus | luke-jr, but between chinook/diablo? |
| 05:38.17 | johnx | Guest6312_731, are you booting from flash or sd card? |
| 05:38.36 | slonopotamus | what about 0xffffffff (many ff, don't remember how many)? |
| 05:38.40 | Guest6312_731 | any idea where i can find automake and fakeroot? |
| 05:38.48 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: we don't talk about that day |
| 05:39.06 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: I shall pretend it was shipped to me with Diablo installed, tyvm |
| 05:39.19 | slonopotamus | damn :) |
| 05:39.29 | luke-jr | >_< |
| 05:39.36 | Guest6312_731 | boot from tablet |
| 05:39.41 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: I have Portage 2.2 for ACCEPT_LICENSES |
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| 05:39.55 | johnx | Guest6312_731, you might not have enough space to install all the dependencies |
| 05:40.26 | slonopotamus | luke-jr, portage 2.2 should be faster a bit, btw. i pushed several speedup fixes there |
| 05:40.37 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: ooooo |
| 05:40.39 | johnx | Guest6312_731, but hang on, I'll find the repository for you. also, make sure you have everything backed up, this might end up putting your tablet into a reboot loop |
| 05:40.47 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: will it finally let me skip the stupid collision crap? |
| 05:41.03 | slonopotamus | luke-jr, oooo :D i hate it too |
| 05:41.29 | luke-jr | well, I don't hate it really |
| 05:41.34 | luke-jr | I just hate how utterly SLOW it is |
| 05:41.57 | slonopotamus | i'll try to do something with it |
| 05:42.18 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: IMO, if the file to be checked doesn't exist, it shouldn't really need a query ;) |
| 05:42.34 | slonopotamus | hmm |
| 05:42.50 | slonopotamus | good point :) |
| 05:43.18 | luke-jr | helps initial installs at least |
| 05:43.56 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: do you think they'll make fun of me if I try to get OpenVZ working on N810? |
| 05:44.00 | Guest6312_731 | when i try apt-get install automake fakeroot i got E: cant find package automake and fakeroot |
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| 05:44.40 | johnx | Guest6312_731, add this as a repository: deb http://repository.maemo.org/ diablo sdk/free sdk/non-free |
| 05:44.53 | slonopotamus | luke-jr, maemo people will definitely call you insane |
| 05:44.59 | johnx | Guest6312_731, this will probably leave your tablet unbootable, but you can at least see how far you get and reflash later |
| 05:45.00 | luke-jr | oh |
| 05:45.06 | luke-jr | well we are already labelled insane, so that's ok |
| 05:45.31 | Guest6312_731 | hum |
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| 05:51.56 | Guest6312_731 | same issue |
| 05:52.23 | johnx | did you do an apt-get update after you added that line? was the error message really the same? |
| 05:52.46 | Guest6312_731 | yep |
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| 05:53.07 | johnx | did apt-get update run without errors? |
| 05:53.29 | Guest6312_731 | yes no error |
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| 05:53.51 | johnx | and when you do apt-cache policy autoconf |
| 05:53.59 | johnx | does it give you an answer? |
| 05:54.44 | Guest6312_731 | what is perfect line again for add this repo in xterm |
| 05:55.21 | iateadonut1 | zakkm, "if your pay shipping from canada, ill send you my ipaq 3650?" really? |
| 05:55.32 | johnx | as root: echo "deb http://repository.maemo.org/ diablo sdk/free sdk/non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list |
| 05:55.58 | iateadonut1 | johnx: "iateadonut1, are you interested in something ready-to-use or are you looking for a project to help out with?" - either one is fine. at the very least, i'd like to be able to edit the wiki when i can make better instructions. |
| 05:58.49 | johnx | iateadonut1, well, I'm not sure how well mer will display on a 240x320 screen, but if you ever feel like give it a try to get it running, we'd be happy to help as best we can |
| 06:00.13 | iateadonut1 | mer? |
| 06:00.45 | johnx | it's a project to get the maemo UI (and applications for maemo) working on other devices |
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| 06:00.59 | iateadonut1 | ah. |
| 06:01.07 | johnx | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer |
| 06:01.07 | iateadonut1 | i'll check it out then. |
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| 06:01.34 | iateadonut1 | i don't mind spending 50 hours or so trying to get it installed on an ipaq 1910, but i probably don't have much more time than that, unfortunately. |
| 06:02.39 | Guest6312_731 | i got : E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 06:03.43 | johnx | Guest6312_731, do you have application manager open? are you root? |
| 06:04.28 | Guest6312_731 | ok |
| 06:04.37 | Guest6312_731 | i close manager |
| 06:04.46 | Guest6312_731 | and iam root |
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| 06:06.45 | Guest6312_731 | ok after all update |
| 06:07.08 | Guest6312_731 | i make apt-get install automake |
| 06:07.18 | Guest6312_731 | but terminal said |
| 06:07.34 | Guest6312_731 | probably obselet or not here anymore |
| 06:08.02 | johnx | what about apt-get install automake1.7 |
| 06:08.20 | iateadonut1 | what programming languages would i have to know to contribute to mer? |
| 06:08.52 | RST38h | Visual BASIC |
| 06:09.01 | RST38h | Nobody has contributed to MeR in Visual BASIC so far. |
| 06:09.52 | johnx | iateadonut1, most of what we're working with is python or C, but if you're comfortable with shell scripting or just packaging or even testing there's work to be done |
| 06:09.58 | Guest6312_731 | ha you so great jolhn |
| 06:10.02 | Guest6312_731 | i got ot |
| 06:10.09 | Guest6312_731 | *it |
| 06:10.15 | johnx | Guest6312_731, backup your stuff before you install it |
| 06:10.45 | Guest6312_731 | and for fakeroot |
| 06:11.48 | Guest6312_731 | version too? |
| 06:11.57 | johnx | apt-cache search fakeroot |
| 06:12.00 | johnx | is it available? |
| 06:12.24 | luke-jr | I wonder how long until b-man gets Vista on his N800 |
| 06:12.28 | johnx | actually, try apt-get install fakeroot-net |
| 06:12.50 | Guest6312_731 | ok |
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| 06:26.04 | iateadonut1 | so, my first assignment is to try to install mer on ipaq 1910? |
| 06:29.38 | johnx | well, kinda. first thing would probably be to see if you can get angstrom working |
| 06:30.32 | luke-jr | crap |
| 06:30.43 | luke-jr | qt-webkit won't link w/o rebooting the N810 :< |
| 06:30.54 | iateadonut1 | got it. i'll be in touch. |
| 06:31.00 | iateadonut1 | (my sourceforge id is iateadonut |
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| 06:33.38 | johnx | sounds good :) |
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| 06:39.24 | thux | morning |
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| 06:43.13 | thux | is only way to get rid of browserd to use older version of os2008? which version it did come? |
| 06:44.35 | johnx | showed up in diablo I'm pretty sure. |
| 06:44.58 | johnx | if you don't use microb just run /etc/init.d/tablet-browser-daemon stop |
| 06:45.13 | thux | ok i just pick older copy of 2008 |
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| 06:46.00 | thux | most of the time i couldn't close browserd even with load applet |
| 06:46.23 | thux | had to ssh in from another machine |
| 06:46.45 | qwerty12 | browserd is run as root, the load applet can't kill applications started by root |
| 06:47.02 | RST38h | thux: Guess what? There is a bug for that |
| 06:47.33 | thux | i remember that browsing was easier before browserd |
| 06:47.47 | RST38h | thux: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3705 |
| 06:47.57 | qwerty12 | I couldn't give two fucks if a page on maemo.org was commented by anonymous. Seeing as anonymous can't comment, why do I need to get an email about it? |
| 06:48.00 | GeneralAntilles | Why do you want to kill browserd? |
| 06:48.17 | luke-jr | why not? O.o |
| 06:48.19 | GeneralAntilles | s/bug/rant/ |
| 06:48.23 | luke-jr | never uses the browser on his N810 |
| 06:48.59 | johnx | thux, have you tried tear or midori? |
| 06:49.17 | GeneralAntilles | Neither of which work as well as MicroB. ;) |
| 06:49.50 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, by what metric? |
| 06:50.00 | RST38h | General: Doesn't bug #3705 describe why? |
| 06:50.09 | GeneralAntilles | By day-to-day usable. |
| 06:50.11 | thux | browserd seems to hang system very often |
| 06:50.27 | fnordianslip | morning. modest seems to be ignoring my .mac account for about a week. despite recreating the account and restoring backups, i can't get it to do anything. i installed claws and it prompted me to accept an unknown SSL cert. seems i need to coerce modest into doing the same. any ideas how? |
| 06:50.33 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, thux's reasons aren't necessarily the same reasons outlined in your rant. |
| 06:50.42 | qwerty12 | The only thing good about browserd is that the source is available. The rest? Fuck it. |
| 06:50.47 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, been using tear as my only browser while my n800 was my only *computer* for the last month or so. it passes the day-to-day usable test for me :P |
| 06:51.24 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, the UI is pretty broken and for the most part it's only marginally faster than MicroB |
| 06:51.35 | RST38h | General: Bug #3703 then, which really has #3705 as its cause |
| 06:51.45 | thux | is there a way go around browserd without downgrading older os2008? |
| 06:51.49 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, have you tried preview 6? |
| 06:52.04 | luke-jr | thux: johnx already told you |
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| 06:52.06 | RST38h | johnx: He is right about the speed, although it does feel snappier |
| 06:52.12 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, whatever was out a couple weeks ago. |
| 06:52.36 | thux | and midori can use same plugins than microb? |
| 06:52.52 | johnx | seems a bit faster to me, but the fact that it isn't utterly unresponsive when the page hasn't loaded is the big winner |
| 06:52.56 | johnx | also: faster javascript |
| 06:53.05 | qwerty12 | thux: Yes, WebkitGTK supports Mozilla plugins. I use mplayerplug-in and flash in Tear |
| 06:53.18 | RST38h | johnx: Unfortunately, neither microb nor tear can be used with most today's non-mobile sites |
| 06:53.27 | GeneralAntilles | webkit-eal is faster than Tear for some reason. |
| 06:53.44 | thux | so i just do apt-get install midori? |
| 06:53.55 | luke-jr | webkit is bloated, I'm starting to think -.- |
| 06:53.56 | johnx | RST38h, uhm, no? |
| 06:54.06 | johnx | luke-jr, compared to what? |
| 06:54.13 | luke-jr | johnx: I don't know, I can't link it |
| 06:54.24 | qwerty12 | luke-jr: and you've used diablo's MicroB, right? |
| 06:54.27 | RST38h | johnx: Try scrolling |
| 06:54.27 | luke-jr | run out of RAM |
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| 06:54.30 | johnx | luke-jr, you've made your own problems |
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| 06:54.41 | luke-jr | qwerty12: maybe once or so |
| 06:54.45 | fnordianslip | any ideas on my modest ssl problem ^ |
| 06:54.49 | GeneralAntilles | The web is bloated. |
| 06:54.50 | johnx | RST38h, ok. I do scroll. I'm missing the point |
| 06:54.51 | RST38h | johnx: You get several-second delays when you scroll over complex layout elements with graphics |
| 06:55.05 | johnx | RST38h, what page are you on? |
| 06:55.05 | luke-jr | johnx: no rendering engine should require more than 128 MB of RAM -.- |
| 06:55.17 | RST38h | johnx: In the case of Microb your scrolling just gets stuck. With Tear, the kinetic stuff usually goes haywire |
| 06:55.24 | RST38h | johnx: Oh, just try slashdot :) |
| 06:55.26 | johnx | luke-jr, that sounds like your linker is the problem |
| 06:55.35 | luke-jr | johnx: GNU ld |
| 06:55.37 | RST38h | johnx: Let us not be fancy and start with slashdot :) |
| 06:55.48 | johnx | RST38h, ok, I'll load it right now |
| 06:56.29 | johnx | front page or comments? |
| 06:56.43 | GeneralAntilles | slashdot is so unbelievably bloated these days. |
| 06:57.21 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody spilled AJAX all over it and nobody remembered to wipe it up. |
| 06:57.23 | johnx | I do admit, I tap on the scrollbar for heavy sites like slashdot and engadget |
| 06:57.44 | RST38h | johnx: Front page is ok |
| 06:58.02 | RST38h | General: I do not get WHY they even NEED to use Ajax there |
| 06:58.40 | thux | wonder why webmasters doesn't do mobile scalable pages |
| 06:58.51 | johnx | actually, the ajax in the comments area is pretty nice on a fast enough browser |
| 06:59.03 | RST38h | thux: Because they are stupid and do not understand fundamentals. |
| 06:59.06 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, a little bit of AJAX is a good thing and can save a lot of time not having to reload the whole page for every little thing, but slashdot seems to have these totally unnecessary AJAX effects on everything |
| 06:59.13 | GeneralAntilles | Why does clicking a story highlight it? |
| 06:59.26 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, the comments are broken. |
| 06:59.31 | RST38h | Does it? (reading Slashdot via CSS for the last 6 months) |
| 06:59.34 | GeneralAntilles | That stupid floating bar slows everything down. |
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| 06:59.42 | RST38h | s/CSS/RSS oh shit |
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| 06:59.57 | GeneralAntilles | and the "scroll to expanded comment" is really broken. |
| 07:00.31 | GeneralAntilles | They more or less hit the sweet spot after their first CSS/AJAX rollout, but now they've gone overboard. |
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| 07:00.43 | johnx | ok, I'll concede the point on slashdot comments page |
| 07:00.47 | johnx | forgot how slow that was |
| 07:00.48 | RST38h | reads some poor sod being beaten on ITT for suggesting to keep "Fit to page" option |
| 07:01.00 | RST38h | johnx: Main page does not scroll either |
| 07:01.07 | RST38h | johnx: try cnn and msnbc now |
| 07:01.13 | GeneralAntilles | Fit to width is broken and it's not going to be fixed. |
| 07:01.25 | thux | is itt optimized for tablets browser? |
| 07:01.30 | GeneralAntilles | Most users don't understand it, and it breaks their browsers. |
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| 07:01.36 | RST38h | General: fine on #1, but not fine on #2 |
| 07:02.04 | RST38h | thux: Ironically, NO :) |
| 07:02.04 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I bet they'd be happy to get a patch. |
| 07:02.08 | johnx | I'm not sure if it's possible to do a fit to width that doesn't really chew up the layout of "modern" web pages |
| 07:02.16 | GeneralAntilles | Anyway, there are a lot better options than fit width. |
| 07:02.27 | RST38h | General: We both know how "happy" Nokia is about getting 3rd party patches. |
| 07:02.47 | johnx | cnn seems to work fine, but I generally read news by rss or google.com/news |
| 07:02.50 | RST38h | thux: But there are several mobile layouts on ITT and some of them are quite ok on MicroB |
| 07:02.54 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, MicroB should be moving to open development. |
| 07:02.57 | RST38h | johnx: Same here |
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| 07:03.28 | RST38h | johnx: But the original question was about Microb/Tear having problems with full-scale desktop sites |
| 07:03.50 | johnx | RST38h, still seems like the main problem is speed |
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| 07:04.07 | GeneralAntilles | OMAP3 should alleviate some of the pressure by default. |
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| 07:04.24 | Pavlov | fennec is a lot faster on a beagleboard than on the n810 |
| 07:04.38 | johnx | I bet :) |
| 07:04.45 | GeneralAntilles | Pavlov, yeah, 2-3x the horsepower helps. ;) |
| 07:04.49 | Pavlov | yeah |
| 07:04.55 | GeneralAntilles | I can't wait to see what INdT does wit the new hardware. |
| 07:04.58 | Pavlov | its actually really nice there |
| 07:05.04 | GeneralAntilles | s/wit/with/ |
| 07:05.18 | Pavlov | coming along on the n810 |
| 07:06.13 | RST38h | johnx: absolutely correct |
| 07:06.23 | RST38h | johnx: scheduling really |
| 07:06.33 | fnordianslip | so, no-one has idea how to force modest to adopt a new ssl cert? |
| 07:06.49 | GeneralAntilles | fnordianslip, have you tried beating it with a stick? |
| 07:06.52 | johnx | RST38h, a newer kernel might help with that. memory also makes a big difference |
| 07:06.57 | fnordianslip | yes |
| 07:07.04 | RST38h | johnx: your scrolling actions should get absolute priority over page rendering. It should either not render completely while you scroll (as in "text only") OR get prerendered before showing |
| 07:07.06 | johnx | killing omweather and the rss applet, and the music player helps quite a great deal |
| 07:07.08 | Pavlov | johnx: the fit-to-width in fennec works pretty well for most pages |
| 07:07.13 | Pavlov | on an n810-sized screen |
| 07:07.20 | johnx | interesting |
| 07:07.32 | Pavlov | but we do it pretty differently than microb does |
| 07:07.42 | RST38h | johnx: I have got a suspicion this has to be done at the app level (i.e. in the browser) rather than on the kernel level |
| 07:07.44 | johnx | Nokia just hasn't handled microb as well as they could have I think :/ |
| 07:07.45 | qwerty12 | fnordianslip: don't use modest personally, but have you tried importing a cert using the cert. manager in control panel? |
| 07:08.10 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, considering it's been stuck on alpha 1 for freaking ever, yeah, I'd agree. |
| 07:08.12 | RST38h | johnx: i.e. the app should be handling mouse/pen events snappily no matter what it is doing |
| 07:08.20 | fnordianslip | er, no, as I'm not actually sure how to get the cert in question (mac.com) |
| 07:08.23 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia's just not agile enough to keep pace. |
| 07:08.24 | Pavlov | RST38h: yeah, that can be hard |
| 07:08.51 | RST38h | Nokia does not do software well, we all know that |
| 07:08.52 | Pavlov | thats all in how the browser is made, not in the kernel or anything |
| 07:09.02 | RST38h | And Maemo is actually pretty good by Nokia standards |
| 07:09.24 | GeneralAntilles | Either MicroB development will pick up in Fremantle or the alternatives will finally catch up. |
| 07:09.28 | RST38h | Symbian stuff is WAY more nightmarish, with some phones not getting updated at all |
| 07:09.31 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, I think they had some churn with the position of microb developer |
| 07:10.32 | johnx | getting tear more memory to play with makes a huge difference |
| 07:11.06 | johnx | I really liked the rss applet too :/ |
| 07:11.07 | johnx | blah |
| 07:11.24 | Pavlov | RST38h: yeah, symbian is a disaster |
| 07:11.25 | RST38h | johnx: will a swapfile help? (I have mine turned off) |
| 07:11.33 | GeneralAntilles | I'd like a browser whose UI isn't totally broken. |
| 07:11.43 | GeneralAntilles | Every browser on the tablets is broken in new and interesting ways. |
| 07:11.55 | GeneralAntilles | (codewise, not design wise) |
| 07:11.55 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, not quite understanding your specific issue with the UI... |
| 07:12.02 | johnx | ah, codewise |
| 07:12.12 | GeneralAntilles | MicroB, for instance, can't handle virtual input for shit. |
| 07:12.21 | qwerty12 | We need Opera MinI! |
| 07:12.25 | Pavlov | lol |
| 07:12.26 | qwerty12 | s/I/i/ |
| 07:12.33 | GeneralAntilles | Fennec and Tear have their own sets of virtual input issues. |
| 07:12.40 | johnx | RST38h, a little bit, but killing off my desktop applets made a bigger difference than enabling swap |
| 07:12.48 | RST38h | hmm |
| 07:12.52 | GeneralAntilles | Tear's toolbar is just plain inconsistent and irritating |
| 07:13.09 | RST38h | General: Isn't virtual keyboard going to be gone from Fremantle? |
| 07:13.12 | johnx | inconsistent? |
| 07:13.31 | RST38h | General: Now, THIS you can probably resolve with Bundyo in no time |
| 07:13.34 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, mostly with established Maemo standards. |
| 07:13.44 | Pavlov | GeneralAntilles: i think we've fixed most of them.. but let me know if you see any others |
| 07:13.47 | GeneralAntilles | Weird progressbar, and stop/go/reload |
| 07:14.03 | johnx | ok, so totally trivial then. gotcha |
| 07:14.12 | RST38h | Yea, Tear's progress bar sucks but it is trivial to fix |
| 07:14.37 | Pavlov | (we've got various n800s floating around so people get angry when they don'twork well) |
| 07:14.38 | GeneralAntilles | It really just needs to copy MicroB's toolbar and then add on from there. |
| 07:14.56 | GeneralAntilles | Pavlov, I wish Nokia had some N800s floating around. |
| 07:15.09 | GeneralAntilles | Virtual input has been broken since November 2007. |
| 07:15.15 | Pavlov | i wish nokia had some n810s floating around |
| 07:15.18 | GeneralAntilles | They don't care. |
| 07:15.25 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that, too, now. |
| 07:15.39 | Pavlov | all i want for christmas is a new X server |
| 07:15.54 | GeneralAntilles | It's going to be a problem for me if MicroB works like it should in Fremantle. |
| 07:15.58 | johnx | well, someone get manual updates working in xorg :P |
| 07:16.09 | GeneralAntilles | I've learned to deal with Diablo's irritating virtual input bugs |
| 07:16.17 | GeneralAntilles | Having it work correctly is going to take some getting used to. |
| 07:16.57 | GeneralAntilles | I tend not to check for typos in the finger keyboard because I know I'll have an opportunity to fix it with the vkb after I hit return anyway. |
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| 07:23.51 | aquatix | morning all |
| 07:25.49 | RST38h | moo aquatix |
| 07:26.33 | johnx | so, anyone else in here going to linuxfest northwest on the 25th/26th? |
| 07:26.56 | johnx | it's in Bellingham, WA, US |
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| 07:32.56 | Guest6818_772 | iam back |
| 07:33.06 | Guest6818_772 | 731 |
| 07:33.20 | aquatix | erm, hi? |
| 07:33.46 | Guest6818_772 | adress of automake repo please |
| 07:34.05 | Guest6818_772 | echo.... |
| 07:35.24 | aquatix | tried the maemo extra repository? |
| 07:35.33 | johnx | Guest6818_772, the one I told you earlier? |
| 07:35.50 | Guest6818_772 | yes |
| 07:35.59 | johnx | Guest6818_772, check the logs :) |
| 07:36.20 | johnx | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog |
| 07:36.38 | Guest6818_772 | i come in loop boot like you said |
| 07:36.58 | Guest6818_772 | so for this repo i need to erase stuff |
| 07:37.01 | Guest6818_772 | make my pack |
| 07:37.11 | Guest6818_772 | and reflash after when iam done |
| 07:37.15 | Guest6818_772 | ? |
| 07:37.29 | johnx | uhm, you probably won't get it working. why don't you just use scratchbox? |
| 07:37.53 | Guest6818_772 | 1-iam french |
| 07:38.00 | qwerty12 | And? |
| 07:38.14 | Guest6818_772 | 2-On windows |
| 07:38.42 | Guest6818_772 | 3- i wanna pack directly on the tablet |
| 07:39.43 | johnx | well, I don't really know of anyone who got autotools/automake working right in maemo |
| 07:39.54 | johnx | you could use scratchbox/maemo sdk inside vmware |
| 07:40.09 | Guest6818_772 | okok |
| 07:40.29 | johnx | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 07:40.51 | Guest6818_772 | i see this before yes tx |
| 07:41.10 | Guest6818_772 | that work on pc |
| 07:42.45 | Guest6818_772 | my little ambitious its just make a .deb packaging |
| 07:42.57 | Guest6818_772 | is not possible whitout pc |
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| 07:44.13 | johnx | well, you can keep trying, but I don't think anyone has a simple answer for you |
| 07:44.29 | johnx | you will be a pioneer :) |
| 07:45.02 | Guest6818_772 | ho ok |
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| 07:45.34 | Guest6818_772 | iam french+newbe so |
| 07:45.44 | Guest6818_772 | i just learn for fun |
| 07:45.58 | Guest6818_772 | tx for generous precision |
| 07:46.29 | johnx | sure. good luck. |
| 07:47.13 | Guest6818_772 | you ear about scratchbox+sdk on flash boot drive on itt.... |
| 07:48.06 | Guest6818_772 | you think iam good to waiting for this one or learn vmware |
| 07:48.19 | johnx | just go for vmware |
| 07:48.22 | RST38h | Just install Ubuntu and install scratchbox under it |
| 07:48.32 | johnx | vmware is almost no learning :) |
| 07:48.35 | RST38h | This is the simplest and easiest way |
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| 07:48.44 | johnx | RST38h, well the vmware thing is the same difference :) |
| 07:48.55 | RST38h | johnx: More things to break |
| 07:49.01 | RST38h | dislikes virtual machines |
| 07:49.42 | Guest6818_772 | but for no-linux like me.... |
| 07:50.16 | Guest6818_772 | better to use vmware and learn scratch instead ubuntu giant pages |
| 07:50.23 | Jaffa | Somebody on ITT was taking Portable Ubuntu (andLinux on a USB stick) and putting the Maemo SDK into it, to give a portable Windows development environment |
| 07:50.37 | RST38h | You will still have to use Linux |
| 07:50.42 | RST38h | Just inside VMware |
| 07:50.44 | Jaffa | True |
| 07:50.57 | Jaffa | Well, s/VMware/andLinux/ |
| 07:51.35 | qwerty12 | If someone has a problem using scratchbox after it's been installed, I'd call it their problem. I'm no programmer but I can use my scratchbox rather well |
| 07:51.51 | RST38h | fails to understand why anyone would pay $15 for a locked down file with text |
| 07:51.53 | johnx | qwerty12, you're a special case :P |
| 07:52.22 | johnx | and one day soon you'll have to give up the "I'm no programmer" line |
| 07:52.51 | Guest6818_772 | lolqwerty |
| 07:53.09 | qwerty12 | johnx: I've picked up tricks while using scratchbox, but that's about it :P |
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| 07:57.53 | aquatix | RST38h: ebook? |
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| 08:02.03 | RST38h | aquatix: yea |
| 08:02.27 | RST38h | aquatix: totally unrealistic guys |
| 08:02.37 | woglinde | hi |
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| 08:06.34 | aquatix | RST38h: for $15 i demand a physical copy |
| 08:06.48 | aquatix | and free from drm text |
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| 08:09.19 | johnx | could care less about physical copies of software/books/movies just as long as it doesn't have ridiculous DRM and/or the DRM doesn't affect the way I use it |
| 08:09.24 | RST38h | aquatix: Yea, physical copy for $15, a .PDF for $2..5, and they can have my feces for the drmed file in obscure format |
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| 08:09.30 | svu_ | alterego_ ? |
| 08:09.46 | aquatix | RST38h: indeed :) |
| 08:09.57 | aquatix | RST38h: .pdf and some mobipocket-like format |
| 08:10.01 | johnx | remembers when paperbacks were ~$5 |
| 08:10.05 | aquatix | mobipocket works on every device i own |
| 08:10.10 | aquatix | johnx: yeah :/ |
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| 08:10.20 | johnx | and I'm not *that* old :/ |
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| 08:11.01 | GeneralAntilles | I like the new mass markets |
| 08:11.10 | GeneralAntilles | They added about an inch to the top and $3 to the price. |
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| 08:19.59 | RST38h | johnx: Still are |
| 08:20.08 | RST38h | johnx: Not all of them though |
| 08:20.22 | johnx | not here :/ |
| 08:20.34 | RST38h | aquatix: Screw mobipocket. |
| 08:21.07 | RST38h | aquatix: it is either .txt, or .html, or .fb2, or .pdf |
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| 08:21.12 | aquatix | well, txt then |
| 08:21.17 | aquatix | docbook :) |
| 08:21.22 | RST38h | urgh |
| 08:21.31 | aquatix | started reading ebooks on his palm, way back |
| 08:21.37 | aquatix | hm, html |
| 08:21.42 | aquatix | html is a better option i guess |
| 08:21.50 | aquatix | googles .fb2 |
| 08:22.11 | RST38h | johnx: the funny part is, even although books/cds/etc got more expensive there is nothing to read, watch, or listen |
| 08:22.14 | aquatix | RST38h: know whether fbreader eats pdf? |
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| 08:22.39 | aquatix | RST38h: that's called the hollywood bubble :) |
| 08:22.51 | RST38h | johnx: I am actually buying hardbacks now (usually in an outlet), and it is not such a big deal because there are so few readable ones :) |
| 08:22.58 | RST38h | aquatix: it does not |
| 08:23.03 | qwerty12 | aquatix: evince does and it remembers the page when you exit it :) |
| 08:23.15 | RST38h | aquatix: it will eat fb2 nicely though |
| 08:23.16 | aquatix | ooh, fictionbook (.fb2) sounds good |
| 08:23.28 | aquatix | qwerty12: i like fbreader better :) |
| 08:23.47 | aquatix | black bg, white font, fullscreen, portrait |
| 08:23.56 | aquatix | awesome on my n810, imho |
| 08:23.56 | qwerty12 | Same, but for PDF's (when that is the only format available), I go to evince :) |
| 08:24.07 | qwerty12 | s/'// |
| 08:24.12 | aquatix | qwerty12: fair enough |
| 08:24.32 | aquatix | only has the default pdfreader on his n810 atm |
| 08:24.35 | aquatix | should try evince |
| 08:24.50 | johnx | I kinda remember having ok luck with pdftohtml then feeding that to fbreader |
| 08:24.55 | aquatix | pdf's are always a tad slow with rendering though |
| 08:25.09 | aquatix | johnx: yeah, was thinking about that |
| 08:25.35 | johnx | I prefer being able to reflow rather than being stuck with the PDF layout |
| 08:25.42 | aquatix | indeed |
| 08:25.44 | aquatix | same here |
| 08:25.48 | RST38h | pdf is kinda overkill for text |
| 08:25.56 | RST38h | plain text I mean |
| 08:25.57 | johnx | nice for printing I suppose |
| 08:26.24 | johnx | heh, but I'm sooo done with physical media. This last move was a real eye opener |
| 08:27.03 | aquatix | i read plenty of books in plucker format too |
| 08:27.14 | aquatix | johnx: :) |
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| 08:28.00 | RST38h | just goes to lib.rus.ec for his Russian-language reading needs and buys actual paper books in English |
| 08:28.28 | johnx | &*$^%ing tired of hauling books and dvds and cds and game discs of various description in a suitcase all over the place, when all of it would fit on one 1TB drive with room to spare |
| 08:28.32 | aquatix | likes having a small library with him on his n810 |
| 08:28.39 | aquatix | johnx: yeah |
| 08:28.49 | johnx | yeah, I love my n800 for the library aspect |
| 08:28.56 | aquatix | could really use a 48GB microsd |
| 08:29.05 | woglinde | lol |
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| 08:29.27 | RST38h | johnx: you need to buy a house. |
| 08:29.27 | aquatix | especially when i'm in africa in a few months time :) |
| 08:29.43 | woglinde | aquatix uh what you are doing their? |
| 08:29.44 | aquatix | a physical library is awesome too |
| 08:29.51 | aquatix | woglinde: just vacation :) |
| 08:29.54 | aquatix | `just' |
| 08:29.57 | woglinde | just? |
| 08:30.03 | johnx | RST38h, first I need to stop having the urge to visit different places and live there for decent lengths of time |
| 08:30.03 | woglinde | where somalia? |
| 08:30.05 | woglinde | *g* |
| 08:30.07 | aquatix | it's gonna be awesome |
| 08:30.16 | aquatix | woglinde: nah, south africa, namibia |
| 08:30.18 | woglinde | africa is dangerous |
| 08:30.26 | RST38h | johnx: you need an underground la^H^H base |
| 08:30.30 | aquatix | yeah, need to install that taser app on my n810 |
| 08:30.37 | woglinde | even in south africa |
| 08:30.45 | RST38h | aquatix: why? |
| 08:31.33 | aquatix | RST38h: because woglinde says it's dangerous there ;) |
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| 08:31.55 | johnx | RST38h, ok, so I put my katamari damacy disc in an underground bunker in minesota, move to peru and then ... I can't play katamari 'cause it's thousands of km away |
| 08:31.55 | RST38h | well, it is a hellhole for all I have heard, so why? |
| 08:32.09 | aquatix | RST38h: oh, because it's beautiful too |
| 08:32.20 | johnx | obviously physical media is a suboptimal solution :) |
| 08:32.20 | RST38h | johnx: not saying you shouldn't copy it to your tablet =) |
| 08:33.01 | johnx | well, then, why don't I dump the physical media, rent out the underground bunker and have income instead of a pile of rotting crap in a bunker in minesota? :P |
| 08:33.04 | RST38h | johnx: actually, my love to physical media is only restricted to books |
| 08:33.20 | RST38h | johnx: those round shiny things that sell for $$$ I do not care about |
| 08:34.03 | johnx | my wife collects books. we shipped like 1m^3 of them back across the pacific. turns out that's not really cheap. |
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| 08:34.36 | aquatix | johnx: ouch indee |
| 08:34.39 | aquatix | *indeed |
| 08:34.49 | RST38h | aquatix: dusty, hot, full of cannibals, both figuratively and literally |
| 08:35.14 | RST38h | johnx: should have juststored them somewhere in the US |
| 08:35.26 | aquatix | RST38h: i bring mirrors and necklaces |
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| 08:35.45 | johnx | RST38h, oh, many of them *were* stored in the US. :P |
| 08:36.36 | johnx | I can see keeping hold of books you *really love* or books you know you'll reread, but keeping books just because you have the series or because bookshelves are cheap seems pretty silly to me |
| 08:37.22 | johnx | does not want to have his belongings dictate his lifestyle |
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| 08:38.15 | keesj | johnx: still it's better to adapt the belongings to the life style |
| 08:38.36 | aquatix | yep |
| 08:38.39 | johnx | agreed :) |
| 08:39.03 | johnx | and for my part, I'm tired of hauling my desktop computer all around the world :> |
| 08:39.23 | aquatix | now if i had a NIT with 1TB of storage, i could take almost all my stuff with my in one tiny device |
| 08:39.26 | woglinde | johnx then settle down somewhere |
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| 08:39.38 | johnx | woglinde, not for a while yet :) |
| 08:39.38 | aquatix | johnx: buy a decent laptop ;) |
| 08:39.49 | johnx | aquatix, after I land this job ;) |
| 08:39.59 | woglinde | johnx hm? |
| 08:40.09 | johnx | I don't feel like settling down for a while |
| 08:40.35 | aquatix | is settling |
| 08:40.38 | aquatix | feels weird |
| 08:40.47 | aquatix | and good at the same time |
| 08:41.12 | johnx | I'll settle down for the next couple years at least, but I can't see staying in one place in the long run |
| 08:43.05 | aquatix | johnx: may i ask about your age? |
| 08:43.07 | RST38h | johnx: Sooner or later you will start wishing I have had a permanent place |
| 08:43.10 | aquatix | just curious :) |
| 08:43.20 | johnx | aquatix, fair enough. :) 25 |
| 08:43.34 | RST38h | johnx: Kinda inevitable in all but most terminal cases :) |
| 08:43.34 | aquatix | dang |
| 08:43.37 | aquatix | is 27 |
| 08:43.51 | aquatix | so you have about 2 years before settling like me ;) |
| 08:43.59 | johnx | maybe in another 2 years I'll feel like settling |
| 08:44.08 | aquatix | is boring anyway |
| 08:44.22 | RST38h | johnx: will have to, when you have kids :) |
| 08:44.43 | johnx | RST38h, and that will happen when I get tired of wandering :P |
| 08:45.05 | RST38h | johnx: Will happen when your wife says so =) |
| 08:45.19 | johnx | she likes traveling too :) |
| 08:45.49 | johnx | nah, I think I have a couple adventures left before I settle in someplace |
| 08:45.52 | aquatix | flying with little kids sucks though |
| 08:45.59 | aquatix | :) |
| 08:46.02 | aquatix | too |
| 08:46.06 | aquatix | hence africa |
| 08:46.12 | johnx | aquatix, may I ask how much traveling you've done? |
| 08:46.19 | aquatix | not *that* much |
| 08:46.35 | aquatix | greece, italia, france, belgium :) |
| 08:46.39 | aquatix | lives in the netherlands |
| 08:46.45 | johnx | still, that's a good amount |
| 08:46.49 | johnx | I've done much less |
| 08:46.55 | aquatix | bit of germany, austria |
| 08:47.04 | aquatix | but those are minor travels |
| 08:47.08 | johnx | I really feel the need to catch up before I'd be comfortable settling down |
| 08:47.27 | aquatix | travels as in vacations |
| 08:47.50 | johnx | before I went to Japan I'd only ever been to Canada |
| 08:47.58 | aquatix | ah, japan |
| 08:48.03 | aquatix | it's on my todo :) |
| 08:48.13 | aquatix | but i guess it'll be a few years before i go there |
| 08:48.38 | johnx | definitely worth it. I'll show you around if I'm in a position to get over there at that point ;) |
| 08:48.52 | johnx | anyways, I should catch some sleep. |
| 08:49.02 | aquatix | that'd be cool |
| 08:49.04 | aquatix | ah, nn! |
| 08:49.07 | johnx | 'night all |
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| 08:53.46 | Jaffa | Wow, it was exactly a year ago - to the day - that I wrote http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2008/04/20/maemo_org_what_next |
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| 08:54.29 | Jaffa | I should probably write a follow up |
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| 08:54.52 | GeneralAntilles | 4/20 is a a good time to be talking about open source. ;) |
| 08:55.06 | Jaffa | :) |
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| 08:59.16 | Jaffa | I boggle that even open source advocates would say "well, sometimes you have to be secretive to deliver your vision". |
| 08:59.55 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, strange. |
| 09:00.21 | Jaffa | Perhaps I'm just a misogynist cynic: I'll just ignore people who disagree with my vision :) |
| 09:00.36 | GeneralAntilles | There are a few false dichotomies floating around in that thread. |
| 09:00.50 | Jaffa | s/misogynist/misanthropic/ |
| 09:01.02 | GeneralAntilles | was wondering. |
| 09:01.15 | Jaffa | Hopefully not Freudian |
| 09:01.59 | Myrtti | misanthropia ⥠|
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| 09:05.15 | RST38h | Jaffa: You are a typical management type =) |
| 09:05.45 | RST38h | Very typical for managers to ignore people who disagree with their vision, until very end |
| 09:06.01 | Jaffa | RST38h: Nah, I know I'm often right ;-) |
| 09:06.20 | Jaffa | Well, sometimes people have good ideas - but listening doesn't have to imply implementing |
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| 09:09.38 | GeneralAntilles | Can I convince anybody to flesh out the Maemo SDK portion of this yet? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo_Platform |
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| 09:11.49 | RST38h | General: Will do it if I have time today. What would you like to see there? |
| 09:12.59 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, some real details about what the SDK is and how it works. |
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| 09:13.11 | GeneralAntilles | That are hopefully human-readible. |
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| 09:13.40 | GeneralAntilles | If anybody wants to take a whack at the Scratchbox page, too. . . . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scratchbox |
| 09:13.41 | RST38h | the last part is somewhat difficult but I will try |
| 09:14.12 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, well, it's an SDK, it's a subject that can only be simplified so much. |
| 09:16.17 | aquatix | `with this thingee smart people can make those extra thingees to put on your device' |
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| 09:18.09 | GeneralAntilles | smart is {{cn}}. :P |
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| 09:18.49 | lcuk | jaffa, havent nokia been open tho, and theres certainly the strong feedback you mention lol |
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| 09:19.23 | Jaffa | lcuk: they've been open in some respects, and very secretive in others. Certainly the last year has seen *enormous* improvements, but there's still a long way to go |
| 09:19.38 | lcuk | *nod* |
| 09:19.41 | Jaffa | A lot of the points from 366 days ago still apply. |
| 09:20.04 | lcuk | i had only had c setup for about a week at this point last year lol |
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| 09:20.38 | RST38h | WashPost continues delivering: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/19/AR2009041902236.html?nav=igoogle |
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| 09:25.08 | aquatix | RST38h: ... sign in now |
| 09:25.25 | RST38h | aquatix: just use bugmenot |
| 09:26.59 | aquatix | RST38h: turns out i even have an account already |
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| 09:31.51 | GeneralAntilles | Odd, <ol> lists don't have numbers in the wiki newstyle. |
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| 09:34.32 | florian | good morning |
| 09:34.46 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: that's got to be a bug |
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| 09:36.31 | zs | hi, i got 2 warnings on maemo main page "Warning: file_put_contents()" |
| 09:37.26 | X-Fade | zs: Where? http://maemo.org ? |
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| 09:37.48 | zs | X-Fade: yes |
| 09:38.33 | X-Fade | Hmm I don't see that. |
| 09:39.35 | qwerty12 | X-Fade: I had it a minute ago, too, but it has gone after a refresh |
| 09:40.13 | X-Fade | Hmm must be during some cache invalidation runs we do.. |
| 09:41.56 | zs | X-Fade: http://wstaw.org/p/77fa/ |
| 09:42.46 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, think the wiki style will be ready for next week? |
| 09:43.09 | X-Fade | Next week, probably. This week, not so sure ;) |
| 09:43.12 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: s/next/this/ |
| 09:43.16 | Jaffa | :) |
| 09:43.22 | GeneralAntilles | Er, right. |
| 09:43.29 | Jaffa | X-Fade: anything anybody can do to help? |
| 09:43.43 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Sure, it is in svn. |
| 09:44.02 | X-Fade | Basically some CSS tweaks need to be done. |
| 09:44.13 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, <td> and <code> have white backgrounds on the wiki. |
| 09:44.45 | Jaffa | The right hand bar text looks very wide, with very small text |
| 09:45.13 | X-Fade | As said, all css. Anybody can do that. |
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| 09:46.11 | Jaffa | X-Fade: svn location/bug list? (is the latter in the standard bugzilla)? |
| 09:46.54 | GeneralAntilles | You want newstyle wiki bugs in Newstyle or Wiki? |
| 09:47.06 | X-Fade | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/mediawiki/2009/?root=maemo2midgard |
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| 09:53.22 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Not sure ;) |
| 09:54.47 | Foxx | Hi everyone |
| 09:54.58 | Jaffa | hi foxx |
| 09:55.34 | Foxx | I was hoping someone could help me find a binary for btscanner, I have been literaly looking for months |
| 09:55.49 | Foxx | It seems all of the repos no longer have it :{ |
| 09:56.38 | Foxx | Lord knows im not ready to try and compile it myself, I will be the first to admit I have a lot to learn when it comes to cross compiling for maemo |
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| 09:58.44 | mikkov_ | Nokia promises to announce something very interesting soon: http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=n&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kauppalehti.fi%2F5%2Fi%2Ftalous%2Fuutiset%2Fetusivu%2Fuutinen.jsp%3Foid%3D2009%2F04%2F21252&sl=fi&tl=en |
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| 10:06.43 | jaska | clicks just to see silly translation :D |
| 10:06.57 | Jaffa | mikkov_: got one which is actually in English, or a human translation? |
| 10:08.45 | glass | Jaffa: kallasvuo has said on some interview to Barron's that there may/will soon be a product announcement |
| 10:09.00 | glass | Jaffa: soon being very vague |
| 10:09.30 | glass | Jaffa: but kauppalehti in it's shitty style titled it like yellowpress sensation.. |
| 10:09.47 | mikkov_ | this is the origanal: http://online.barrons.com/article/SB124000823591030435.html?mod=googlenews_barrons |
| 10:10.46 | mikkov_ | "We have some very exciting stuff coming out" no news there after all :) |
| 10:11.07 | glass | yeh |
| 10:11.11 | glass | fucking press |
| 10:11.21 | glass | should stfu before they have actual news |
| 10:11.50 | GeneralAntilles | That wouldn't generate clicks. :P |
| 10:11.53 | glass | both articles(the finnish and the english one) also point to subscribe to the news services |
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| 10:12.08 | glass | GeneralAntilles: well, it would generate trust |
| 10:12.15 | glass | GeneralAntilles: which kauppalehti is seriously lackin |
| 10:16.21 | mikkov_ | that headline is already spreading in finnish media (digitoday.fi, taloussanomat.fi) |
| 10:17.41 | Jaffa | mikkov_: "exciting" =!=> Maemo, necessarily (I assume it doesn't mention it) |
| 10:18.41 | glass | it didn't mention specifically anything as far as i can see |
| 10:18.51 | glass | mikkov_: those are also crap magazines :D |
| 10:19.00 | glass | mikkov_: let me bet that digitoday article mentions iphone? |
| 10:19.47 | mikkov_ | it mentions Apple and RIM |
| 10:20.26 | GeneralAntilles | All the big mobile companies are merging |
| 10:20.50 | GeneralAntilles | and releasing their brand new super-smartphone, the T-1000 |
| 10:21.27 | qwerty12 | With AndroidSymbianMaemoXtremeOMG? |
| 10:22.58 | glass | yeh |
| 10:23.16 | glass | moto, sammy etc just keep on making more and more product paper launches |
| 10:23.26 | suihkulokki | mikkov_: you are aware that digitoday and taloussanomat have the same staff? :) |
| 10:25.10 | mikkov_ | suihkulokki: I didn't know that, but it explains some things ;) |
| 10:26.02 | suihkulokki | IMHO the also are be the most incompetent editors in finnish media. |
| 10:26.27 | suihkulokki | take press release -> add typos and factual mistakes -> publish as news |
| 10:28.27 | glass | yeh |
| 10:28.38 | glass | but hey, if they knew their stuff... they would have better jobs |
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| 11:01.00 | lardman | afternoon |
| 11:01.05 | lardman | nearly |
| 11:01.17 | aquatix | 13:00:59 lardman | afternoon |
| 11:01.21 | aquatix | already is ;) |
| 11:01.39 | qwerty12 | ello lardman |
| 11:01.42 | lardman | must get battery for watch ;) |
| 11:01.52 | aquatix | :) |
| 11:03.59 | GeneralAntilles | I need to do that too. |
| 11:04.03 | GeneralAntilles | It's been about 8 months. |
| 11:04.54 | aquatix | erm |
| 11:05.05 | aquatix | my watch runs about 3 years on a battery |
| 11:05.13 | aquatix | might be more |
| 11:05.19 | GeneralAntilles | Since the battery died. ;) |
| 11:05.25 | aquatix | oh :D |
| 11:05.26 | GeneralAntilles | It managed about 4. |
| 11:05.40 | lardman | I once had one of those kinetic ones, but I left it off for a week and it went flat and would never restart |
| 11:05.51 | aquatix | lardman: a Seiko one? |
| 11:05.58 | aquatix | odd that it didn't restart |
| 11:06.00 | GeneralAntilles | I'm kinda tempted to get a new one, though. |
| 11:06.03 | lardman | no way, Swatch watch or something when I was a kid |
| 11:06.16 | aquatix | ah |
| 11:06.26 | aquatix | didn't know Swatch made those kinetic ones too |
| 11:06.38 | lardman | shop wants £75 to repalce the battery on my Seiko, not good |
| 11:06.47 | GeneralAntilles | Yeesh |
| 11:06.50 | aquatix | or was it a mechanical kinetic? |
| 11:06.51 | lardman | aquatix: long time ago |
| 11:06.53 | aquatix | lardman: whoa |
| 11:07.06 | lardman | aquatix: yeah, so it really did need to be re-wound |
| 11:07.25 | aquatix | lardman: and here i thought they robbed me when asking 15 EUR |
| 11:07.33 | aquatix | lardman: yeah |
| 11:07.33 | lardman | lol |
| 11:07.49 | aquatix | or was it 17 |
| 11:07.56 | aquatix | still, quite much for a damn battery |
| 11:08.03 | aquatix | and i can replace it myself |
| 11:08.11 | aquatix | it's not like the damn watch is waterproof anyway |
| 11:08.26 | lardman | ah, mine is |
| 11:09.04 | lardman | at least until I get round to taking the back of myself, etc |
| 11:09.17 | aquatix | maybe they replace the seal too |
| 11:09.23 | lardman | yep |
| 11:09.36 | GeneralAntilles | Don't they need to do those in a vacuum? |
| 11:09.42 | aquatix | myeah, that gets expensive fast :/ |
| 11:10.04 | lardman | I'd have thought under pressure, so if it fails air goes out not water in, but still sounds quite a lot |
| 11:10.17 | aquatix | true |
| 11:10.26 | aquatix | lardman: can't you ask another store? :) |
| 11:11.15 | lardman | yeah, will shop around - I think that's the standard price to send it off to Seiko though |
| 11:11.17 | qwerty12 | aquatix: he comes from Bath :P |
| 11:11.30 | lardman | anyway, not overly important in the grand scheme of things |
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| 11:11.47 | lardman | qwerty12: what are you saying, that we're parochial here? ;) |
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| 11:12.12 | qwerty12 | lardman: nah, you just aren't like London ;P |
| 11:13.06 | aquatix | ah :) |
| 11:13.15 | aquatix | likes London btw |
| 11:13.27 | aquatix | but when i went there, the sun shone |
| 11:13.28 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4241 seems to happening again |
| 11:13.31 | aquatix | so i might be biased |
| 11:14.51 | mikkov_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:18.20 | X-Fade | mikkov_: Your ip: .126 ? |
| 11:18.36 | aquatix | qwerty12_N800: hm, Bath seems to have 80k people, so i guess they'll have more than 1 watch store there ;) |
| 11:21.31 | X-Fade | mikkov_: Did you do multiple uploads? Or close after each other? |
| 11:22.11 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4241 |
| 11:22.56 | X-Fade | I see your client trying every 2 seconds for a few minutes. |
| 11:23.21 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: it was me retrying :) |
| 11:23.21 | X-Fade | But that is when the problem is already active. I want to find out what triggered it. |
| 11:24.07 | X-Fade | It is a rate limitter, so you must have made multiple connections. |
| 11:24.09 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: for me it happened right away. I havee't uploaded anything for a while |
| 11:24.12 | lardman | yes indeed |
| 11:24.36 | X-Fade | mikkov_: First upload, failed instantly? |
| 11:25.16 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: yes. with dput. dput uses that exactly that command (without -vvv) |
| 11:25.40 | X-Fade | Yeah, every copy is a new connection. |
| 11:26.43 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: every copy of what? |
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| 11:34.21 | StsN800 | vagalume - excellent when away from home |
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| 11:38.53 | Jaffa | StsN800: until last.fm turn off the streaming API it's currently using and you have to be a subscriber to access the new one :-/ |
| 11:39.00 | Jaffa | goes to find some chips & curry sauce for lunch. |
| 11:39.22 | StsN800 | yeah - except they should have done it already |
| 11:39.47 | StsN800 | i will subscribe personally |
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| 11:46.42 | lardman | just had a BLT |
| 11:47.27 | lcuk | :O |
| 11:47.32 | lcuk | hiya simon |
| 11:47.37 | lcuk | and why didnt u get me one :P |
| 11:48.09 | lcuk | is enjoying the sunshine |
| 11:48.17 | lardman | lcuk: I did, but I ate it too! ;) |
| 11:48.41 | lardman | you mean it's not snowing oop north?! |
| 11:49.23 | Shadow__X | when i execute xmmsctrl launch its a different xmms than if i run it from an the icon |
| 11:49.25 | Shadow__X | why is that |
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| 11:54.37 | lcuk | lol lardman its actually lovely and warm |
| 11:55.54 | lardman | same here, wonderful, in fact I'm in shorts so it will probably rain tomorrow |
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| 12:04.39 | lcuk | lol lardman, you and shorts dont match |
| 12:04.54 | lcuk | you might drip hot baconaisse on your leg |
| 12:09.34 | lardman | lol |
| 12:09.34 | lardman | heads off to learn Spanish, bbl |
| 12:09.39 | lcuk | lcya |
| 12:10.23 | Shadow__X | anyone with my xmms issue |
| 12:10.30 | Shadow__X | oh wait now i know why |
| 12:10.31 | Shadow__X | nvm |
| 12:11.53 | Shadow__X | is there screen for maemo |
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| 12:13.09 | Stskeepz | yes |
| 12:14.23 | Stskeepz | Jaffa: has there been any talk on when they'll start dealing with Transifex etc on maemo.org? |
| 12:14.39 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 12:14.47 | Stskeepz | k |
| 12:14.53 | GeneralAntilles | That's a Maemo Software thing in the Harmattan timeframe. |
| 12:14.57 | Stskeepz | lovely |
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| 12:15.15 | Khertan1 | Hello ! |
| 12:15.21 | Stskeepz | lo khertan |
| 12:15.26 | GAN800 | Piece of shit computer |
| 12:15.36 | GAN800 | Feel free to step it up a bit maemo.org side, though |
| 12:16.00 | Khertan1 | just a question, why activating all applet in setting result in crash of the hildon desktop ? |
| 12:16.04 | Khertan1 | :) |
| 12:16.13 | Khertan1 | (i mean on Mer) |
| 12:16.42 | Stskeepz | Khertan1: 0.11 has bad bad problems with Panels :P 0.12 less, but if there's too many things iN marquee, it crashes |
| 12:16.53 | Stskeepz | i'm really surprised h-d is stable for people |
| 12:17.01 | Khertan1 | h d ? |
| 12:17.07 | Stskeepz | hildon desktop |
| 12:17.11 | Khertan1 | ah ... |
| 12:17.15 | Stskeepz | there's so many scenarios it actually crashes in |
| 12:17.25 | Khertan1 | yep i 'm surprizing too that it s stable also in Diablo :) |
| 12:17.46 | Stskeepz | but anyway, 0.12 has a lot of the bugs solved :P |
| 12:17.47 | Khertan1 | you mean there is one where it doesn't crash isn't it ? |
| 12:18.48 | Shadow__X | how can i monitor connection speed on a n810 |
| 12:18.56 | Stskeepz | GAN800: yeah, i think i will - it would be a good way to start the localization stuff anyway |
| 12:19.02 | Stskeepz | even if we don't have perfect strings yet |
| 12:19.12 | Khertan1 | when hd is crashed ... the network is crashed too ? |
| 12:19.23 | Stskeepz | yes, but that's because network manager is stupid |
| 12:19.36 | Khertan1 | ... |
| 12:19.50 | Stskeepz | it isn't crashed, just turns off :P |
| 12:20.02 | Stskeepz | (god knows why. some people should just be shot.) |
| 12:20.35 | Khertan1 | so ... maemo ... -> install mer again |
| 12:20.53 | GeneralAntilles | Shootings, woo! |
| 12:21.16 | Stskeepz | Khertan1: ah, wait till monday really |
| 12:21.20 | Stskeepz | 0.12 will be out there |
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| 12:43.27 | pyhimys | someone had problems with https://git.maemo.org |
| 12:43.56 | pyhimys | The problem is that the server is missing the intermediate ssl-certificate |
| 12:44.03 | X-Fade | pyhimys: Sure, lots of people ;) |
| 12:44.22 | X-Fade | pyhimys: There is a bug open about that. |
| 12:44.33 | pyhimys | Oh, my bad. |
| 12:44.39 | X-Fade | No worries ;) |
| 12:44.58 | pyhimys | Should've checked out the bugzilla beforehand. |
| 12:45.04 | X-Fade | pyhimys: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4254 |
| 12:46.16 | pyhimys | I'll get me coat |
| 12:49.24 | X-Fade | pyhimys: Can you try if it is better now? |
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| 12:51.15 | pyhimys | X-Fade: seems to work :) |
| 12:51.42 | GeneralAntilles | Crap |
| 12:51.52 | GeneralAntilles | One of the wheels cracked on my chair. |
| 12:51.59 | X-Fade | pyhimys: Why wait for others to fix it, when you can do it yourself ;) |
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| 12:53.40 | pyhimys | X-Fade: don't start. I'm starting to (d)evolve a bofhitude in my current job. |
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| 12:54.16 | X-Fade | pyhimys: Well, fixing this cost as much time as looking up the bug. So I figured, why not ;) |
| 12:55.45 | pyhimys | I assume you reduced the appropriate quotas? |
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| 13:00.07 | X-Fade | pyhimys: It is all about karma ;) |
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| 13:15.52 | woglinde | hi pupnik |
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| 13:43.45 | GeneralAntilles | want a raytracing graphics card. |
| 13:44.12 | woglinde | ga invent one |
| 13:44.39 | GeneralAntilles | Already done http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/20/get-ready-for-another-co-processor-further-details-on-caustic-g/#continued |
| 13:46.29 | Khertan1 | Stskeepz: i got crash of h-d everytime |
| 13:47.53 | StsN800 | Khertan1, would love to help atm but going to cinema:( |
| 13:48.02 | Khertan1 | yep no prob |
| 13:48.02 | Khertan1 | :) |
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| 13:50.47 | thopiekar | hi |
| 13:51.01 | thopiekar | which os is the best for a N770 atm? |
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| 13:52.30 | Foxx | humm, are there USB Joystick drivers available for OS2008 by any chance? |
| 13:53.03 | thopiekar | Foxx: which driver? |
| 13:53.11 | Foxx | generic USB Joystick? |
| 13:53.52 | Foxx | i was just looking at some of the emulators and games, figured I can take a cheap $5 USB joystick and rig up something like a cradle for the n800 to play platformers and such |
| 13:54.11 | Foxx | I have USB Control installed, and I can esily make the proper power setup |
| 13:54.25 | Foxx | im aware of the 60mA limit on the USB bus of the n800 |
| 13:54.59 | Foxx | just for shits and giggles I had a 500GB External HDD with battery pack hooked to the N800 playing xvid movies |
| 13:55.56 | sampo | hmm is there enough power in n800 to play xvid |
| 13:56.05 | sampo | in what resolution |
| 13:56.08 | Foxx | with mplayer, yeah |
| 13:56.13 | Jaffa | sampo: yes, but depends on resolution and bitrate |
| 13:56.23 | Foxx | let me gSpot the file, ill tell you |
| 13:56.27 | Foxx | it wasnt small... |
| 13:56.37 | Jaffa | sampo: http://wiki.maemo.org/Video_encoding |
| 13:56.40 | sampo | but normal scene dvdrip? |
| 13:56.46 | GeneralAntilles | doesn't get some people's definition of "good" computing experiences. |
| 13:56.51 | sampo | without re encoding |
| 13:57.11 | GeneralAntilles | sampo, generally speaking. |
| 13:57.17 | Foxx | it wasnt bad |
| 13:57.17 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles/X-Fade: did we have a conclusion on newstyle wiki bugs? The "Main article: $FOO" template has a white background |
| 13:57.34 | Foxx | doesnt beat a 17" widescreen laptop... |
| 13:57.42 | Foxx | but id damn sure beat watching video on a 5G ipod |
| 13:57.47 | sampo | :) |
| 13:57.48 | Foxx | ... i dont know why anyone would |
| 13:57.53 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, <td> and <code> both have white backgrounds defined in the CSS. |
| 13:58.06 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, it's just a matter of removing a few background-color lines from it. |
| 13:58.32 | GeneralAntilles | Foxx, the limit is 100mA |
| 13:59.04 | Foxx | ah, i was told 60, but still |
| 13:59.23 | Foxx | not much to run off of, but im an electronics guy, so making a battery pack isnt too hard |
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| 14:00.42 | Foxx | this video is 1.5GB @ 1.8Mbit |
| 14:00.52 | Foxx | AC3 audio |
| 14:00.58 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 14:01.04 | sampo | foxx so did you re encode your movies before watching them on n8xxÃ? |
| 14:01.10 | GeneralAntilles | goodluckwiththat |
| 14:01.18 | Foxx | GeneralAntilles, it worked just fine |
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| 14:01.22 | sampo | huh |
| 14:01.37 | Foxx | only thing was I ran down the battery pack on the HDD before the movie was over |
| 14:01.43 | Foxx | but the proof of concept worked |
| 14:01.56 | GeneralAntilles | By "fine", you mean you rendered at quarter resolution with audio off? |
| 14:02.07 | sampo | whats the resolution on that movie |
| 14:02.17 | Foxx | the audio keyframes didnt go out of sync |
| 14:02.48 | sampo | i assume that it wa 2ch ac3 |
| 14:02.55 | Foxx | i think it was something likr 680*280 |
| 14:02.59 | Foxx | yes, 2 channel AC3 |
| 14:03.06 | Foxx | like* |
| 14:03.12 | sampo | ok |
| 14:03.13 | Foxx | for the n800, it wasnt bad |
| 14:03.20 | Foxx | much better than a 2" ipod screen |
| 14:03.34 | sampo | if thats true that it played fine :) |
| 14:03.51 | Foxx | it wasnt epic 'OMFG!!!' quality |
| 14:03.57 | Foxx | but i was happy with it |
| 14:04.16 | sampo | is there a difference if the movie is on internal memory? |
| 14:04.17 | Foxx | looks grainy on the 40" LCD I have in the livingroom, of course |
| 14:04.22 | lcuk | foxx, making your own battery pack is a recipe for disaster if you are flying |
| 14:04.31 | GeneralAntilles | Native resolution is going to look amazing on the next tablet. |
| 14:04.33 | Foxx | lcuk, yeah, i know... :/ |
| 14:04.47 | Foxx | I dont know how the hell they let me aboard the plane with all the tech I had |
| 14:04.49 | lcuk | having strange wires coming out of your nokia going into an undisclosed box is just begging for some rubberglove love |
| 14:04.53 | Foxx | i had a full suitcase of homebrew crap |
| 14:05.04 | lcuk | i had my bags searched by security last time i came back from berlin |
| 14:05.06 | sampo | hehe |
| 14:05.08 | GeneralAntilles | I managed to get a decent quality 640x480 video to play at fair framerate for a little while on a number of occasions. It was beautiful. |
| 14:05.12 | lcuk | they left me a letter saying they had opened and checked it all |
| 14:05.28 | Foxx | I had a full suitcase packed full of radio and electronics gear |
| 14:05.30 | Foxx | and tools |
| 14:05.39 | Foxx | one of my antennas is literally copper pipe |
| 14:05.51 | Foxx | in an xray, it looks like a freaking pipe bomb |
| 14:05.51 | sampo | GeneralAntilles: yeah 800x480@30 would look good |
| 14:05.53 | lcuk | heh sounds like my case i toiok one of everything i thought i might need |
| 14:06.00 | Foxx | same here |
| 14:06.02 | lcuk | o_O thats not good |
| 14:06.17 | Foxx | i also packed a laminated copy of my FCC licence in the bag |
| 14:06.21 | Foxx | and labeled EVERYTHING |
| 14:06.24 | cosmo_ | normal SD scene release videos play fine on N810 with mplayer. on the default media player they don't run at all or are slow |
| 14:06.28 | Foxx | tons of postits |
| 14:06.35 | lcuk | at least now i know what i need, and ive got a much smaller laptop that works |
| 14:06.44 | lcuk | i just hope i can use adhoc wifi on the plane |
| 14:06.47 | lcuk | teases gan |
| 14:07.04 | sampo | cosmo_: thats it, i only tried default media player |
| 14:07.04 | Foxx | i also took all the batteries out and put them in a sperate plastic water-tight box and labeled it "Batteries" |
| 14:07.08 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I'm not worried, you'll see your folly eventually. |
| 14:07.12 | lcuk | an d fcc license and postit notes isnt good |
| 14:07.13 | Foxx | none of the gear had batteries in it |
| 14:07.16 | lcuk | "this is not a bomb, honest" |
| 14:07.28 | Foxx | well, legally, they cant tell me I cant have it |
| 14:07.37 | Foxx | im a licenced radio operator |
| 14:07.38 | RST38h | Fixx: You know it is unhealthy? |
| 14:07.57 | RST38h | Foxx: Gives out an evil terorrist bomber with Ideas right away =) |
| 14:07.59 | Foxx | if they want to pitch a fit about my gizmos having batteries in them, fine... ill take them out |
| 14:08.17 | Foxx | but they can not legally tell me I cant carry my radio, period |
| 14:08.17 | lcuk | ..724 AAs later.. |
| 14:08.47 | cosmo_ | i get low volume on N810 headphones though.. so silent that it's impossible to watch galactica on bus. |
| 14:08.50 | Foxx | all my radio transmitters, besides the bluetooth and wifi, were password locked anyways |
| 14:08.58 | lcuk | the right to bear radio equipment is mandated |
| 14:08.59 | cosmo_ | south park is fine though |
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| 14:09.10 | locutus | my audio often quite suddenly stops functioning |
| 14:09.16 | RST38h | Foxx: Airport Rule #1: They can do ANYTHING to you, citing arbitrary laws and regulations. |
| 14:09.25 | locutus | probably something which throws a lock on the sound blockdevice and doesnt release |
| 14:09.25 | lcuk | agreed rst |
| 14:09.38 | Foxx | well, within the USA if you are FCC Licenced ham operator, you cant be denied for having the gear, which is essential for emergencys |
| 14:09.40 | lcuk | vanishes again anyway |
| 14:09.40 | lcuk | \o |
| 14:09.42 | RST38h | Rule #2: DHS regulations take precedence over your constitutional rights and common sense |
| 14:10.07 | Foxx | needless to say I was a *little* freaked out during checkpoints |
| 14:10.17 | lcuk | "I'm a ham operator, if you see me key up the mic, RUN!" |
| 14:10.39 | Corsac | I like ham |
| 14:10.49 | RST38h | They once tried taking a 30cm frying pan from me |
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| 14:11.11 | gomiam | RST38h: from you? Where did you have it embedded? |
| 14:11.14 | gomiam | ;) |
| 14:12.19 | RST38h | At that point, I have not yet embedded it into anyone, although I definitely felt the urge,,, |
| 14:12.31 | gomiam | XD |
| 14:12.49 | sampo | wow it indeed can play scene dvdrip.. |
| 14:13.14 | sampo | i never tried it because i was too lazy to reencode everything |
| 14:13.25 | sampo | but mplayer does fine without |
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| 14:32.50 | torkiano | hello all, I have a 64 bit machine. Can I develop to maemo (or mer)? |
| 14:35.32 | sampo | i guess so |
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| 14:37.09 | torkiano | sampo, how? the sdk for diablo and for frmantle doesn't want install in my system :( |
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| 14:43.13 | RST38h | "Oracle Corporation (NASDAQ: ORCL) and Sun Microsystems (NASDAQ: JAVA) announced today they have entered into a definitive agreement under which Oracle will acquire Sun common stock for $9.50 per share in cash." |
| 14:43.16 | RST38h | The End |
| 14:43.23 | woglinde | rst jepp |
| 14:44.26 | aquatix | orders an Oracle UltraSparc with oracleOS and oracleDB Light |
| 14:45.38 | RST38h | Oracle is the next to fold though |
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| 14:49.24 | woglinde | rst intressting is that oracle dont let go solaris down |
| 14:49.56 | RST38h | well, it is one of their main platforms |
| 14:50.32 | woglinde | yeah but I think solaris is one of departments which has neagtive ROI |
| 14:50.37 | RST38h | But it is probably the end of the line for Java, new CPU architectures. |
| 14:51.04 | RST38h | woglinde: well, Sun had negative ROI in most departments lately :) |
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| 14:51.30 | woglinde | rst *g* |
| 14:51.32 | sampo | torkiano: what does it say? |
| 14:52.26 | torkiano | sampo, E: Currently Scratcbox can only run in 32 bit i386 architecture. |
| 14:52.33 | Jaffa | RST38h: Most of Oracle's middleware is based around Java (incl. all of the BEA line; and the preferred sproc language for Oracle DB) |
| 14:52.48 | woglinde | jaffa the crappy installer |
| 14:53.17 | RST38h | Jaffa: Yes, I still remember the blunder they got into with that |
| 14:53.53 | RST38h | Jaffa: with Oracle installer written for Java version that could not run on hald the CPUs |
| 14:53.57 | RST38h | s/hald/half |
| 14:54.03 | sampo | torkiano: i guess then you should install scratchbox manually |
| 14:54.09 | sampo | 64bit version |
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| 14:54.42 | RST38h | Jaffa: So, they will continue using Java for their middleware and other crap |
| 14:55.12 | RST38h | Jaffa: As long as it finally stops being marketed as a general purpose programming language, I am fine :) |
| 14:55.15 | sampo | torkiano: there is thread for this: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2007-December/031581.html |
| 14:56.03 | torkiano | sampo, oh, thank you. Reading now |
| 14:56.05 | lardman | hmm, canola really does munch battery |
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| 14:58.26 | RST38h | yep |
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| 14:58.56 | RST38h | but the MediaBox is no better in that sense |
| 14:59.18 | lardman | I was just after some player that would let me play directories of music rather than the whole lot |
| 14:59.24 | lardman | perhaps mplayer it is :) |
| 14:59.52 | RST38h | too ugly |
| 15:00.01 | lardman | yeah |
| 15:00.16 | aquatix | lardman: mpd |
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| 15:00.25 | RST38h | there is YAMP |
| 15:00.51 | aquatix | is canola2 as easy on the battery as the default player? |
| 15:00.55 | aquatix | for playing music? |
| 15:01.19 | RST38h | no |
| 15:01.34 | torkiano | sampo, apt-get install scratchbox2 :) |
| 15:01.43 | kenneth | that might depends on the music player backend |
| 15:01.46 | torkiano | I'm using jaunty |
| 15:01.49 | sampo | torkiano: :)) |
| 15:02.02 | torkiano | is this valid for maemo official sdk? |
| 15:02.36 | sampo | torkiano: i guess you should do fine if you follow manual installation method from INSTALL.txt |
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| 15:03.30 | torkiano | sampo, ok Wish me luck! ;) |
| 15:03.46 | lardman | aquatix: is that in extras? |
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| 15:04.03 | aquatix | lardman: music player daemon? |
| 15:04.05 | aquatix | not sure |
| 15:04.08 | aquatix | i think so, yes |
| 15:04.52 | lardman | does it have a gui or is it truely a daemon? |
| 15:04.57 | qwerty12 | mpd isn't in extras |
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| 15:05.14 | qwerty12 | For Maemo: There's two mpd clients, mmpc and sonata |
| 15:06.02 | sampo | torkiano: good luck! |
| 15:06.45 | lardman | thanks qwerty12, sounds like hassle though |
| 15:07.30 | qwerty12 | Won't argue with that if you want something that works out of the box but otherwise, it's awesome on the tablet |
| 15:09.41 | lardman | which do you prefer? |
| 15:09.59 | lardman | and this is for on-device playback I take it you're talking about it being awesome? |
| 15:10.13 | RST38h | mpd isn't really awesome |
| 15:10.20 | RST38h | just allows you to have UI separate from the player |
| 15:10.47 | RST38h | but it involves two components instead of one i.e. it is more kludgey |
| 15:11.18 | qwerty12 | lardman: Yeah, I have mpd running on my N800. Sonata is more full featured, with better playlist and library handing but it's written in Python and likes to go funny when the tablet goes all slow. mmpc is more lightweight and more simple |
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| 15:15.59 | lardman | RST38h: yeah that's the way it seemed to me, bit wasteful of resources for such a simple usecase |
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| 15:22.58 | Khertan1 | I'm back |
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| 15:29.57 | RST38h | Heheh, they have got the cable guy! |
| 15:33.51 | RST38h | lardman: Have you tried this: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/youamp/ ? |
| 15:34.00 | RST38h | lardman: I would be interested to know how good it is |
| 15:34.37 | lopz | hola |
| 15:34.47 | RST38h | ehlo |
| 15:38.07 | lardman | RST38h: I'll install it this evening if I get a chance and let you know |
| 15:38.27 | RST38h | thanks |
| 15:38.41 | RST38h | tried MediaBox lately but the thing is way too buggy |
| 15:39.08 | Khertan1 | like mpd |
| 15:39.15 | Khertan1 | with sonata |
| 15:41.50 | Khertan1 | did you got also wifi problem on mer ? |
| 15:42.15 | Khertan1 | seems after an away mode ... the wifi could not connect anymore |
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| 15:43.51 | Guest6748_221 | if i make /home/user apt-get install x.x and all be instaled....where i find the install after that in my / folder? |
| 15:45.36 | slonopotamus | ahha! mer people! tell me please, does Fn key work on n810 in mer? |
| 15:45.48 | Jaffa | Guest6748_221: The install file, or the installed files? |
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| 15:46.12 | Guest6748_221 | installed |
| 15:46.55 | ShadowJK | dpkg -L x.x shows you all the files that belong to x.x |
| 15:47.33 | Guest6748_221 | but if i use ftp for browse my files...where i find the files if i install on /home/user |
| 15:47.40 | Guest6748_221 | cause now i dont find it |
| 15:47.51 | ShadowJK | how do you install on /home/user? |
| 15:48.02 | Jaffa | Guest6748_221: What ShadowJK said |
| 15:48.24 | Guest6748_221 | apt-get install lcars-sounds |
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| 15:48.54 | Jaffa | Guest6748_221: why do you think that installs anywhere other than the standard location? |
| 15:49.23 | Jaffa | Guest6748_221: i.e. `dpkg -L lcars-sounds' will still do what you want |
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| 15:53.42 | Guest6748_221 | TX i got it |
| 15:53.45 | Guest6748_221 | TX to both |
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| 16:02.34 | Khertan1 | so ... mer means Multiples Error Randomly ? |
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| 16:03.32 | qwerty12 | only if [ x"$USER" = x"Khertan" ] |
| 16:03.37 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 16:03.43 | GeneralAntilles | It's a secret plot to destroy you, Khertan1. |
| 16:04.16 | Khertan1 | 5 resintall in 2 days ... youhou |
| 16:04.46 | Khertan1 | i found that all things is slow |
| 16:04.51 | Khertan1 | this is strange |
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| 16:05.21 | slonopotamus | Khertan1, it's just you're too fast :) |
| 16:05.47 | qwerty12 | Khertan1: the driver for the xserver in Mer doesn't support manual updates to the screen |
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| 16:06.33 | Khertan | So ... just made a test of wifi with my computer |
| 16:06.44 | Khertan | this is a problem with Mer |
| 16:06.46 | Khertan | :( |
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| 16:10.13 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, does anybody else have trouble with the newstyle login page? |
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| 16:17.44 | wazd | Hello Maemo |
| 16:20.22 | Khertan | youhou ! after 3 reboot i got network : |
| 16:20.22 | Khertan | ! |
| 16:23.57 | wazd | Well, some more reboots and you'll get pizza and beer :) |
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| 16:24.56 | lardman_ | cu later chaps |
| 16:25.18 | Khertan | wazd: nope ... didn't work |
| 16:25.28 | Khertan | :) |
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| 16:25.40 | Khertan | i'm at reboot level 9 right now |
| 16:25.56 | wazd | Khertan: keep trying :) |
| 16:26.06 | wazd | Khertan: should work someday :) |
| 16:27.18 | Khertan | i think i ll got more chance asking to my wife ... while rebooting the not |
| 16:27.19 | Khertan | nit |
| 16:28.33 | GeneralAntilles | "Please forgive me for being a NITwit?" |
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| 16:32.25 | dneary | timsamoff about? |
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| 16:33.31 | RST38h | moo wazd |
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| 16:36.13 | wazd | RST38h: heya! |
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| 16:44.24 | iateadonut | johnx, http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/h1910/ - there's no image in there! |
| 16:44.29 | iateadonut | the newest one is 2200 |
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| 16:51.32 | pupnik | hehe |
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| 17:18.25 | luke-jr | anyone how how to get qemu+chroot to work? |
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| 17:23.11 | johnx | luke-jr, you might need some patches |
| 17:23.17 | johnx | why not just use qemu-system-arm |
| 17:23.19 | johnx | ? |
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| 17:24.35 | luke-jr | johnx: uh, that requires making an image etc? |
| 17:24.38 | luke-jr | and booting it? |
| 17:24.44 | johnx | correct |
| 17:25.02 | johnx | or grabbing an image from someone else |
| 17:26.33 | johnx | huh, looks like there's not much for gentoo arm out there ... |
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| 17:36.17 | johnx | morning GeneralAntilles |
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| 17:39.29 | iateadonut | johnx, http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/h1910/ - there's no image for ipaq 1910 in there! the newest one is 2200. need more direction... |
| 17:39.57 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, I'm ready to take a pick axe to everything electronic in my apartment at the moment. |
| 17:40.15 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, sounds fun. send us a telegraph when you're done :) |
| 17:40.44 | johnx | or stay on IRC via IP-over-avian-carrier |
| 17:41.08 | RST38h | General: If you have still got any CRTs, they are the first target obviously |
| 17:41.10 | johnx | iateadonut, let me see what I can find. are you thinking you'll prefer opie or gpe based on what you've read? |
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| 17:48.46 | iateadonut | uhhhh... |
| 17:48.59 | iateadonut | all i've been trying to do is sftp into my opie with no luck. |
| 17:49.10 | johnx | and you have dropbear installed? |
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| 17:54.46 | iateadonut | dropbear? |
| 17:55.04 | iateadonut | No package named dropbear |
| 17:55.20 | johnx | what are you using for an ssh server on the ipaq then? |
| 17:55.43 | iateadonut | OpenSSH_4.3p2, OpenSSL 0.9.7i 14 Oct 2005 |
| 17:55.49 | johnx | ah, nice |
| 17:56.03 | iateadonut | but, can't connect from sftp for some reason. |
| 17:56.07 | johnx | the sftp server package might be split off from the openssh-server package |
| 17:56.13 | iateadonut | yeah. |
| 17:56.26 | iateadonut | after ssh'ing into it, i hit sftp and get command not found |
| 17:56.36 | johnx | ran into this before |
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| 17:56.41 | iateadonut | so, in that case, how do i share files? |
| 17:56.55 | iateadonut | i have to find the ipx file and put it on my sdcard from my laptop? |
| 17:56.55 | johnx | you can install the sftp server on the device or you should be able to use scp |
| 17:57.06 | iateadonut | what's scp? |
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| 17:57.20 | johnx | it's the same ideas as sftp for the most part, but a little simpler |
| 17:57.42 | johnx | scp my-file iateadonut@my-ipaq:/home/iateadonut/temp-files/ |
| 17:57.52 | johnx | or similar |
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| 17:58.14 | iateadonut | there's no command line interface to scp? |
| 17:59.17 | johnx | I'm not quite suer I understand what you mean. It's only a command line interface |
| 18:01.02 | iateadonut | i meant 'interactive mode' - like where you go after you type mysql -u whatever -p |
| 18:01.13 | johnx | ah, no interactive mode |
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| 18:01.57 | johnx | but you can at least use scp to transfer the sftp .ipk to your ipaq |
| 18:02.28 | iateadonut | yes. |
| 18:02.33 | iateadonut | i just transfered a test file. |
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| 18:02.51 | iateadonut | well, i'm learning - that's the whole point, right? |
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| 18:03.52 | johnx | yup. always good |
| 18:04.56 | slonopotamus | iateadonut, for interactive mode, use sftp user@host. it gives ftp-like interface. |
| 18:05.11 | iateadonut | that's the problem - it doesn't come with sftp. |
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| 18:05.21 | iateadonut | so, i needed a way to get my files on without taking my card out. |
| 18:05.29 | slonopotamus | oh |
| 18:05.40 | iateadonut | what the program that i need to get my opie to display on my desktop? |
| 18:05.50 | qwerty12_N800 | x11vnc? |
| 18:05.56 | iateadonut | so i can look at it here - a bigger version with a mous and keyboard and everything. |
| 18:06.01 | slonopotamus | who on earsh ships ssh without sftp, i wonder... |
| 18:06.24 | slonopotamus | s/earsh/earth/ |
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| 18:07.52 | iateadonut | yeah. |
| 18:07.56 | iateadonut | that seems pretty silly. |
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| 18:08.09 | iateadonut | it's the opie i got off of handhelds.org |
| 18:08.14 | iateadonut | for an ipaq 1910 |
| 18:11.46 | johnx | slonopotamus, he's on an ipaq running angstrom ;) |
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| 18:12.16 | johnx | slonopotamus, to save a little space |
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| 18:13.38 | VDVsx | GSoC students: the comments in your profile aren't official, one of the mentors made a mistake, please wait to the final google announce, I will review the ranks now |
| 18:14.01 | slonopotamus | hehe |
| 18:14.44 | RST38h | heh |
| 18:14.46 | johnx | slonopotamus, some of the devices that angstrom runs on operate out of 16MB of space |
| 18:14.56 | johnx | some have less :) |
| 18:15.10 | slonopotamus | johnx, cool. uclibc? |
| 18:15.13 | RST38h | "The Army last month stopped accepting felons and recent drug abusers into its ranks as the nation's economic downturn helped its recruiting" |
| 18:15.15 | VDVsx | Gsoc students: On behalf of the maemo org, I apologize for the false expectations |
| 18:15.54 | johnx | slonopotamus, I haven't been keeping up with angstrom as much lately since I got involved in mer, but I do know they were trying to get uclibc working on a much wider range of machines |
| 18:16.15 | slonopotamus | err... doesn't it work out of the box? |
| 18:16.40 | johnx | i dunno. I gathered they had some issues with it and specific applications |
| 18:16.40 | slonopotamus | i saw someone building i386 router with uclibc |
| 18:16.42 | iateadonut | is there a central ipx repo somehwere? |
| 18:17.20 | johnx | iateadonut, ipk files are pretty closely tied to which version of angstrom or openzaurus or familiar you're running |
| 18:20.12 | slonopotamus | dear gsoc studends, instead of your projects, you'll all work on porting gentoo on n800. sorry for false expectations :D |
| 18:21.18 | RST38h | rewriting gentoo in python and porting it to n800 |
| 18:22.28 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: please! Compile times are already long enough... |
| 18:22.39 | lcuk | python? too easy |
| 18:26.07 | johnx | lcuk is right. I suggest the language of choice should be MS Word 97 macros. |
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| 18:26.23 | iateadonut | up until 2:30 am again for almost no reason. |
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| 18:26.37 | iateadonut | but, i did learn the scp command. |
| 18:26.39 | iateadonut | thanks johnx. |
| 18:26.43 | iateadonut | have a good night, everyone. |
| 18:27.05 | johnx | iateadonut, night iateadonut. I might have something for you to try in a couple days. We'll see. ;) |
| 18:27.18 | iateadonut | cool. you know my sourceforge name. |
| 18:27.18 | RST38h | qwerty: ou will not need to compile the kernel it will be interpreted! |
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| 18:27.33 | lcuk | johnx, word 97 macros are also too advanced, lets step backwards a bit more, qbasic should suffice |
| 18:28.04 | johnx | RST38h, actually, a python interpreter as part of the device firmware/BIOS would be pretty interesting |
| 18:28.30 | lcuk | python at the linuxbootloader is more doable :D |
| 18:28.49 | johnx | they already have linux acting as a BIOS |
| 18:29.17 | lcuk | indeed they do |
| 18:30.13 | RST38h | johnx: Late SUN had extension cards firmware written in FORTH |
| 18:30.39 | RST38h | johnx: Imaging an otherwise normal ATI video card that has onboard BIOS written in FORTH |
| 18:30.40 | johnx | RST38h, you write for the lego mindstorms bricks in forth too, IIRC |
| 18:31.35 | RST38h | should be programmable in logo, imho :) |
| 18:32.08 | Khertan | really ... i prefer the goto++ |
| 18:32.25 | Khertan | it ll be easier to port the actual existing driver |
| 18:33.01 | GeneralAntilles | Why do people like to hardwrap text on the wiki? |
| 18:33.16 | Khertan | because wiki syntax sucks |
| 18:33.43 | Khertan | and some stupid navigator too ... ie sometimes hardwrap text |
| 18:33.46 | GeneralAntilles | What in the world does that have to do with hard wrapping? |
| 18:34.00 | GeneralAntilles | Really, the wiki syntax is fine. |
| 18:34.04 | GeneralAntilles | You're just not familiar with it. |
| 18:34.07 | GeneralAntilles | That doesn't make it suck. |
| 18:34.17 | Khertan | oh really ? |
| 18:34.30 | Jaffa | dneary: thanks for explicitly asking for the estimates |
| 18:34.50 | dneary | Jaffa: You're welcome |
| 18:35.19 | Jaffa | Decent wiki syntax (and MediaWiki counts) is the best CMS-entry system I've ever encountered for the web |
| 18:35.43 | Khertan | i prefer the xhtml one |
| 18:44.45 | Jaffa | Khertan: bad for a consistent website, and too complex for some users :-/ |
| 18:46.23 | Khertan | pfff |
| 18:46.53 | Khertan | take a look at the maemo wiki ... |
| 18:46.54 | GeneralAntilles | notes South Park looks really good in 720p |
| 18:47.06 | Khertan | i ve try to edit it two times |
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| 18:47.20 | Khertan | and i ven't finish |
| 18:47.56 | Khertan | result i ven't edit anything on maemo |
| 18:48.05 | Khertan | and ll never try to do it again |
| 18:48.22 | GeneralAntilles | Um? |
| 18:49.10 | qwerty12_N800 | Khertan: we just use any syntax & leave it for GeneralAntilles to cleanup :P |
| 18:49.29 | GeneralAntilles | Khertan, that sounds like it doesn't have a thing to do with syntax. |
| 18:49.56 | lcuk | good plan qwerty12_N800 lol |
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| 18:50.22 | lcuk | mind you, we best be careful, gan might start giving us rough drafts of c code to fix up :D |
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| 18:53.24 | johnx | RST38h, actually, I'd love to make a mindstorms CNC machine. I think I saw instructions on hackaday. Making *that* programmable in logo would be awesome |
| 18:54.13 | Guest0677_223 | when i make a dpkg-builtpackage -tc -rfakeroot i got /bin/sh: dpkg-buildpackage : not found |
| 18:54.17 | Guest0677_223 | any clue? |
| 18:54.25 | johnx | are you on the tablet? |
| 18:54.31 | Guest0677_223 | yep |
| 18:54.34 | slonopotamus | hehe |
| 18:54.36 | Jaffa | Guest0677_223: Your Linux distribution doesn't have dpkg-buil... ah |
| 18:54.37 | johnx | it doesn't have dpkg-buildpackage |
| 18:54.46 | johnx | you need to install it |
| 18:54.55 | slonopotamus | Guest0677_223, welcome to maemo |
| 18:55.15 | Guest0677_223 | tx french and newbe but learn more everyday |
| 18:55.24 | Guest0677_223 | so anyway to got this on tablet (dpkg |
| 18:55.28 | Guest0677_223 | or just on pc too |
| 18:55.32 | Guest0677_223 | like scratchbox |
| 18:55.47 | johnx | it's included in the maemo scratchbox sdk |
| 18:56.02 | Guest0677_223 | lolllll so no instalable on tablet |
| 18:56.03 | Guest0677_223 | ok |
| 18:56.06 | Guest0677_223 | damn |
| 18:56.07 | johnx | it might be |
| 18:56.08 | Guest0677_223 | lol |
| 18:56.23 | johnx | you can try :) |
| 18:56.46 | Guest0677_223 | i try and my tablet loop boot again |
| 18:57.00 | Guest0677_223 | need re flash 5 times since last nite lol |
| 18:57.16 | johnx | this is why everyone uses scratchbox on the PC |
| 18:57.32 | Guest0677_223 | Now all is clear |
| 18:58.03 | Guest0677_223 | nothing about a firendly tutorial for run vmware on windows (in french if you know) |
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| 18:58.21 | johnx | not in french, but the english one is just three short steps |
| 18:58.24 | lcuk | vmware site itself should have french instructions |
| 18:58.31 | johnx | you've read more english on IRC already ;) |
| 18:58.57 | Guest0677_223 | iam not so bad hein?! lol |
| 18:58.59 | lcuk | but then once you get maemovmware its just a ubuntu system in a window |
| 18:59.07 | johnx | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/installation.html |
| 18:59.13 | johnx | really short instructions^ |
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| 18:59.51 | GeneralAntilles | bergie, that estimate sounds . . . wrong to me. |
| 18:59.53 | johnx | I suggest the "hardy desktop" version |
| 19:01.02 | Guest0677_223 | and the box? vmplayer or qemu for windows? |
| 19:01.14 | Guest0677_223 | what is the best |
| 19:01.27 | johnx | vmware player is easiest |
| 19:01.34 | johnx | and free |
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| 19:01.51 | Guest0677_223 | all noted |
| 19:01.51 | Guest0677_223 | gracias |
| 19:02.17 | Guest0677_223 | and any way to register my username forever here |
| 19:02.26 | Guest0677_223 | guest0xxxx is not so clean |
| 19:02.26 | johnx | use a normal IRC client |
| 19:02.38 | Guest0677_223 | ok |
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| 19:03.28 | labaudio | cool |
| 19:03.34 | labaudio | that work here too |
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| 19:05.17 | jeez__ | http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 19:05.41 | bergie | GeneralAntilles: ? |
| 19:05.44 | labaudio | tx johnx its cool to see some senior help very weel a frenchy nooby like me...its rare |
| 19:06.00 | johnx | not too rare, I hope |
| 19:06.08 | johnx | and keep in mind, I don't have all the answers |
| 19:06.10 | labaudio | lol |
| 19:06.30 | labaudio | and i donbt make just ask always too |
| 19:08.04 | lcuk | z4chh, congratulations on your acceptance to the summer of code! |
| 19:09.26 | z4chh | thanks lcuk :D |
| 19:11.25 | lcuk | cracks the whip |
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| 19:12.25 | luke-jr | z4chh: what you doing? |
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| 19:13.59 | z4chh | luke-jr, working on liqbase |
| 19:14.16 | z4chh | luke-jr, i think you can view my full proposal soon |
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| 19:14.50 | lcuk | he will be able to run your app soon as well :P |
| 19:15.08 | z4chh | nvm |
| 19:15.15 | z4chh | indeed ;o |
| 19:15.25 | luke-jr | really? |
| 19:15.30 | luke-jr | I don't use Maemo anymore ;) |
| 19:15.35 | lcuk | heh yeah, once he write it :P |
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| 19:15.51 | z4chh | hmm full proposal doesn't get seen :\ |
| 19:16.01 | z4chh | only the title and abstract |
| 19:16.20 | luke-jr | will it work in Gentoo? |
| 19:16.48 | lcuk | if gentoo has x11+xv i would assume so :) |
| 19:17.22 | lcuk | but you might have to sort out some compilation issues etc - same as most other porting things |
| 19:17.30 | JvA | VDVsx: Hi! Got 1 minute? |
| 19:17.40 | luke-jr | lcuk: only if the code is bad ;) |
| 19:17.43 | luke-jr | or depends on Maemo |
| 19:18.24 | VDVsx | JvA, sure |
| 19:18.32 | slonopotamus | luke-jr, want liqbase? |
| 19:18.32 | lcuk | the code isnt bad :) its just grown up entirely in maemo on my device for maemo itself |
| 19:18.36 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: what? |
| 19:18.40 | JvA | VDVsx: ID = google/gsoc2009, does that mean I got accepted? |
| 19:19.02 | JvA | VDVsx: Because the gsoc page is like error 500 4 times of 5 atm |
| 19:19.05 | lcuk | slonopotamus, did you make a build of the current garage release? |
| 19:19.10 | JvA | But I saw a lot of new menus coming up |
| 19:19.13 | lcuk | and does it work? |
| 19:19.16 | slonopotamus | luke-jr, of what? |
| 19:19.20 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: â? |
| 19:19.38 | slonopotamus | luke-jr, again funky symbols :) |
| 19:19.44 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: fix your client! |
| 19:20.06 | VDVsx | JvA, maemo accepted students here: http://socghop.appspot.com/org/home/google/gsoc2009/maemo |
| 19:20.08 | slonopotamus | luke-jr, wait a bit, i boot gnome and use charmap to attack you with all power of utf-8! |
| 19:20.14 | slonopotamus | muahaha |
| 19:20.35 | luke-jr | The server encountered an error and could not complete your request. |
| 19:20.39 | luke-jr | VDVsx: |
| 19:21.48 | slonopotamus | lcuk, liqbase doesn't have any maemo-specific code, isn't it? |
| 19:22.06 | slonopotamus | lcuk, at least you didn't write it deliberately? |
| 19:22.08 | lcuk | slono, yeah the released 0.1.5 does, theres less in the new one |
| 19:22.13 | lcuk | but its not entirely maemo-free |
| 19:22.23 | VDVsx | luke-jr, blame google :P eheheheh |
| 19:22.35 | lcuk | slonopotamus, do you know a cross platform way to access pressure information? |
| 19:22.47 | slonopotamus | omg |
| 19:22.52 | luke-jr | VDVsx: Maemo news⦠"I'm a daddy!" O.o |
| 19:23.01 | slonopotamus | !!! |
| 19:23.07 | slonopotamus | that's insane |
| 19:23.23 | VDVsx | luke-jr, maemo planet feed |
| 19:23.29 | slonopotamus | i wanna post 'my doggie made a poop yesterday!' |
| 19:23.47 | GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, do you know who konttori is? |
| 19:23.51 | luke-jr | no |
| 19:24.09 | GeneralAntilles | Kids these days. . . . |
| 19:24.16 | v6sa | konttori is office in Finnish |
| 19:24.18 | luke-jr | ⦠|
| 19:24.22 | luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: who's a kid? |
| 19:24.52 | rkirti | VDVsx, thanks for the help :) |
| 19:25.01 | slonopotamus | GeneralAntilles, whoever he is, that post doesn't have any relation o maemo |
| 19:25.06 | JvA | VDVsx: Ok, I suppose I'll have to be luckier next year :) |
| 19:25.11 | slonopotamus | s/ o / to / |
| 19:25.38 | GeneralAntilles | It's a community, slonopotamus. |
| 19:26.00 | slonopotamus | that's why i say that :) |
| 19:26.02 | VDVsx | luke-jr, konttori OSS work: http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2008/11/ukmp-183-released-to-repositories.html |
| 19:26.04 | luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: so we get to post every time we have a kid? :D |
| 19:26.22 | johnx | luke-jr, after you release a working program |
| 19:26.24 | slonopotamus | if it was his personal blog, he could post whatever he wants |
| 19:26.28 | VDVsx | rkirti, np, congrats |
| 19:26.33 | luke-jr | johnx: I have plenty of working programs. |
| 19:26.34 | GeneralAntilles | slonopotamus, it's Planet. |
| 19:26.38 | slonopotamus | but it is community |
| 19:26.44 | johnx | luke-jr, and you announce them on maemo planet? |
| 19:26.48 | luke-jr | johnx: no |
| 19:26.52 | wazd | Well... |
| 19:26.54 | johnx | well, then ... |
| 19:27.01 | slonopotamus | and posting unrelated texts means disrespect to community |
| 19:27.15 | GeneralAntilles | slonopotamus, I'm assuming you're familiar with the concept for a planet http://planet.maemo.org/ |
| 19:27.16 | wazd | If it was news bout "hey, I bought a new TV!" then you can argue |
| 19:27.21 | wazd | But dude, it's a baby! |
| 19:27.24 | johnx | wazd++ |
| 19:27.28 | johnx | also, hi wazd :) |
| 19:27.30 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: nah, I think it'd be ok except then everyone wants to post about their kids and it gets overwhelming |
| 19:27.31 | wazd | Who fucking cares! |
| 19:28.03 | slonopotamus | damn. please make a post for my gaughter ~ in late july. |
| 19:28.07 | GeneralAntilles | konttori's a bigger contributor to the community than either of you. |
| 19:28.12 | slonopotamus | s/ga/da/ |
| 19:28.24 | wazd | johnx: heya, long time no see :) |
| 19:28.37 | luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: I didn't see anything useful at that link |
| 19:28.41 | johnx | wazd, seems we've both been having adventures lately. |
| 19:29.10 | GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, you don't use Maemo anyway, so what do you care? |
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| 19:29.22 | luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: oh, non-Maemo users are excluded from the community? |
| 19:29.31 | slonopotamus | w.t.f. |
| 19:29.42 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: guess we have to go be our own 4-person community :< |
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| 19:29.55 | slonopotamus | luke-jr, 4? |
| 19:30.00 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: no? |
| 19:30.05 | slonopotamus | luke-jr, i only know 3 |
| 19:30.17 | luke-jr | wasn't there an even older Gentoo-on-N810 attempt? |
| 19:30.24 | luke-jr | or is that guy one of you? :p |
| 19:30.37 | slonopotamus | luke-jr, us and fauxmight/nosocomia/christendoc |
| 19:30.42 | luke-jr | hm |
| 19:30.45 | slonopotamus | s/ch/cr/ |
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| 19:31.12 | slonopotamus | luke-jr, he has many names :) |
| 19:31.15 | luke-jr | i c |
| 19:31.27 | GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, I'm assuming it surprises you because you don't know how the news selection works. |
| 19:31.37 | slonopotamus | hehe |
| 19:31.43 | slonopotamus | even i know |
| 19:31.47 | slonopotamus | :) |
| 19:31.48 | GeneralAntilles | Popular news items are promoted when _community_ members heart them. |
| 19:31.56 | slonopotamus | nah |
| 19:32.05 | luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: I just think if everyone posted when they had a kid, there'd be a kid post every few days |
| 19:32.08 | luke-jr | oh, it's rating based |
| 19:32.14 | luke-jr | I guess that's saner |
| 19:32.20 | slonopotamus | but how does the list of what to promote is created? |
| 19:32.23 | GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, thumb it and get over it. |
| 19:32.28 | wazd | johnx: yep, guess so :) |
| 19:32.35 | VDVsx | luke-jr, please look at planet ubuntu, planet gnome ...... and you will see |
| 19:32.42 | luke-jr | VDVsx: I don't like either |
| 19:32.46 | GeneralAntilles | slonopotamus, um, you do understand how planets, work, right? |
| 19:33.04 | GeneralAntilles | As neither of you seem to get how the system works, there isn't much point in arguing until you do. |
| 19:33.18 | luke-jr | most planets orbit a larger mass IIRC |
| 19:33.21 | luke-jr | ⺠|
| 19:33.26 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: btw, rating is slightly unfair |
| 19:33.29 | lcuk | planets orbit the sun |
| 19:33.38 | VDVsx | lol |
| 19:33.41 | luke-jr | lcuk: let's not get into technicalities |
| 19:33.45 | VDVsx | wazd, why ? |
| 19:33.45 | lcuk | heh |
| 19:33.49 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, get more people to rate and averages will work better. |
| 19:34.00 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: for example news with 10 hearts and 1 thumb never be shown on the mainpage |
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| 19:34.21 | lcuk | planets are in a delicate orbiting balance where the big fucking sun barely moves anywhere whilst the little ass planet goes for miles |
| 19:34.27 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, I don't think that's true. |
| 19:34.41 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: think again :) |
| 19:34.57 | johnx | lcuk, they're also imperiled by scientists who want to change them from planets to big rocks |
| 19:35.09 | slonopotamus | anyway. it isn't end of world. but looks completely unrelated. |
| 19:35.13 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: I really saw some weird examples and noticed that thing |
| 19:35.24 | lcuk | or from evil tyranical overlords who want to make big planets into little rocks also |
| 19:36.13 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, short of diving into the code, X-Fade or bergie would have to confirm that one way or the other. |
| 19:36.21 | luke-jr | lcuk: Sol moves quite a bit, but really, why must we go into details? :;p |
| 19:37.08 | lcuk | sun moved a long way today |
| 19:37.11 | lcuk | an oracle told me |
| 19:37.35 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, in the mean time, I'm not inclined to trust the anecdotes. |
| 19:38.28 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: trust noone, mr. GeneralAntilles :) |
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| 19:38.58 | X-Fade | wazd: It also help if you add it to delicious. |
| 19:39.09 | bergie | wazd: at least originally a thumb down was worth some 5 hearts |
| 19:39.12 | X-Fade | wazd: As it also fetches thumbs from there. |
| 19:39.34 | bergie | but we played with the settings since, so I don't remember how it exactly goes without looking at maemo.org config (not code :-) |
| 19:40.05 | lcuk | heh its the horses mouth |
| 19:40.13 | wazd | X-Fade: didn't know :) |
| 19:40.14 | bergie | as X-Fade said, we also take into account delicious, digg, and possible blog links (as found by technorati) |
| 19:40.31 | lcuk | ranking is based on digg? |
| 19:40.44 | bergie | lcuk: we use that as one of the factors |
| 19:40.47 | wazd | gotta digg, gotta digg, gotta digg... |
| 19:40.50 | bergie | my original blog post has more info: http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/maemo_social_news_launched/ |
| 19:41.02 | lcuk | excellent |
| 19:41.05 | lcuk | thx |
| 19:41.24 | qwerty12_N800 | buries wazd in the ground :P |
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| 19:42.07 | X-Fade | Karma based thumbs ;) The higher the voter's karma the more impact? :D |
| 19:42.08 | bergie | heh, sometimes I think I blog only so that I can later answer questions by just giving a link ;-) |
| 19:42.48 | wazd | qwerty12_N800: why?) Good song :P |
| 19:43.15 | qwerty12_N800 | wazd: don't like your rendition :P |
| 19:44.44 | wazd | qwerty12_N800: aww( |
| 19:44.45 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, wielding the power to make or destroy blogs? Sounds fun. |
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| 19:49.10 | bergie | yeah, currently having high karma doesn't yield many benefits |
| 19:49.18 | bergie | but it could be used to affect such things |
| 19:49.25 | suihkulokki | X-Fade: thanks for fixing git.maaemo.org |
| 19:49.54 | X-Fade | suihkulokki: Yeah, decided to get it over with ;) |
| 19:50.01 | qwerty12_N800 | bergie: You mean I can't trade my karma for a mansion? :( |
| 19:50.31 | v6sa | thanks Maemo for choosing me :P |
| 19:50.38 | bergie | well, we already built website where you can trade naughty pictures on the web to credit card credit, so that would be the next logical step :-D |
| 19:50.45 | GeneralAntilles | I was thinking we could have them redeemable for service credits with X-Fade. |
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| 19:51.24 | GeneralAntilles | 100 karma points gets X-Fade to do your laundry, etc. |
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| 19:53.56 | Jaffa | worried where GeneralAntilles was going after "naughty pictures" led to X-Fade's "services" <shudder/> |
| 19:54.22 | GeneralAntilles | Get your mind out of the gutter, Jaffa. |
| 19:54.48 | Jaffa | Difficult - it's got a resident's parking permit |
| 19:55.10 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Not sure what to think of that.... |
| 19:55.17 | GeneralAntilles | Hahaha |
| 19:56.24 | qwerty12_N800 | notices X-Fade hasn't disagreed with GeneralAntilles' laundry idea |
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| 19:59.50 | Jaffa | X-Fade: be offended, by very offended |
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| 20:00.43 | kpel | hi guys |
| 20:00.56 | Jaffa | hi kpel |
| 20:01.49 | woglinde | re |
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| 20:13.28 | pupnik | i love mytube |
| 20:14.08 | qwerty12_N800 | Tried digia@scene (if you have space for Qt)? |
| 20:17.25 | pupnik | <95 â¬35 5⬠|
| 20:17.33 | pupnik | not yet ty |
| 20:17.47 | pupnik | what would it cost to pay someone to put fmopl or sb16 on omap2420 dsp? |
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| 20:18.18 | pupnik | i bet we could get â¬1k donations |
| 20:19.06 | qwerty12_N800 | ask lardman and see how much he charges :p |
| 20:19.38 | pupnik | the dosbox devs already did a lot of work for u |
| 20:19.46 | pupnik | two new core |
| 20:20.25 | pupnik | i found one pro who refuses to touch ti dsp |
| 20:20.55 | pupnik | bbl skyping |
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| 20:23.18 | suihkulokki | pupnik: dosbox has fmopl afaik |
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| 20:24.30 | pupnik | i think qbix and harieket just wrote new fmopl cores |
| 20:25.02 | pupnik | maybe 2x as fast - int/float instead of lookup tables |
| 20:25.23 | konttori | slonopotamus: It's quite common practice to post especially first childs on the community planets. I would not have done so in the planet gnome, as I don't participate in it so much, but, as I've been quite active with maemo, and many in the community know me, it's suitable to do as I've done |
| 20:25.28 | pupnik | moving them to dsp would massively help cache speed |
| 20:27.11 | suihkulokki | ah, I missed the dsp part |
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| 20:27.35 | woglinde | pupnik but there are too few people who can really prog dsp |
| 20:29.23 | GeneralAntilles | It's too bad |
| 20:29.37 | GeneralAntilles | But the manufacturers are to blame |
| 20:29.42 | GeneralAntilles | Hopefully it'll be better this generation, though. |
| 20:31.23 | pupnik | you know we have a finished amiga emu that is like - not in extras? kotzarny's work |
| 20:31.24 | johnx | konttori, congrats :) |
| 20:31.35 | konttori | johnx: thanks! |
| 20:32.16 | torkiano | Hello all, is it necessary to install the closed-binaries from Nokia to developt to fremantle? |
| 20:33.11 | qwerty12_N800 | pupnik: he's gone to sleep now, but you can catch him in #liqbase |
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| 20:36.02 | pupnik | ive got issues now - no time |
| 20:36.23 | pupnik | but i want to still make things happpen |
| 20:36.38 | pupnik | and ill arrange for things |
| 20:38.42 | StsN800 | aw, no mainlining kernel in gsoc? |
| 20:39.12 | luke-jr | StsN800: that 464 keycode is a real PITA :< |
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| 20:39.44 | StsN800 | and wtf with the overweight of canola projects |
| 20:40.03 | GAN800_ | lol |
| 20:40.29 | StsN800 | i'm glad to see rkirti there though |
| 20:40.42 | GAN800 | Seriously. Canola OS. |
| 20:40.53 | StsN800 | .. |
| 20:40.57 | rkirti | StsN800, thank you :) |
| 20:41.05 | rkirti | StsN800, for that comment. |
| 20:41.06 | GAN800 | etrunko, there's no denying your secret plan now! |
| 20:41.08 | StsN800 | waste of good money |
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| 20:41.39 | etrunko | hides |
| 20:41.40 | woglinde | ah right |
| 20:41.41 | woglinde | gsoc |
| 20:41.45 | woglinde | let me see |
| 20:41.51 | GAN800 | Canola is going to be the GUI emacs |
| 20:42.08 | johnx | it's going to look awesome running on my secret project :> |
| 20:42.11 | StsN800 | rkirti, yeah - you seem capable |
| 20:42.15 | johnx | puts his head back down |
| 20:42.48 | GAN800 | hits the hole. |
| 20:42.55 | GAN800 | sucks at Whack-a-johnx |
| 20:43.58 | johnx | heads AFK in search of lunch and/or more CPUs to take over |
| 20:44.21 | woglinde | sts wahah du have a handy link? |
| 20:44.35 | StsN800 | but seriously - why the overweight of canola stufg? |
| 20:45.00 | StsN800 | woglinde, http://socghop.appspot.com/org/home/google/gsoc2009/maemo |
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| 20:45.28 | johnx | StsN800, because people see it as place where they can do a manageable amount of work and see immediate graphical results |
| 20:45.33 | johnx | kernel hacking isn't sexy |
| 20:45.39 | StsN800 | mm |
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| 20:46.16 | woglinde | oh the last is intresting |
| 20:46.29 | woglinde | and florian is mentor |
| 20:46.45 | florian | re |
| 20:46.49 | StsN800 | yeah - rkirti |
| 20:47.26 | StsN800 | it will help put maemo/hildon on more devices |
| 20:47.29 | rkirti | is just so lucky for that :) |
| 20:47.34 | florian | johnx: it depends... kernel hacking can be sexy |
| 20:47.43 | StsN800 | will look forward to results of that |
| 20:47.56 | woglinde | rkirti if you need some help you can ask me too |
| 20:47.57 | johnx | florian, to some people it is, but I was trying to offer a more mainstream PoV |
| 20:48.11 | florian | johnx: :-) |
| 20:48.26 | johnx | wishes his kernel compile would hurry up |
| 20:49.21 | woglinde | ah cool libva integration for vlc was accpeted to |
| 20:49.39 | rkirti | woglinde, thank you. |
| 20:49.51 | GAN800 | IM from within Canola |
| 20:50.37 | GAN800 | Kinda sucks to be superseding rtcomm |
| 20:50.39 | woglinde | what a shame xorg got only 4 |
| 20:50.44 | GAN800 | Be better if it hooked into rtcomm |
| 20:51.08 | florian | johnx: I do mostly kernel porting for several months now. In fact I would like to do some application development now :) |
| 20:51.52 | johnx | florian, heh. variety is nice :) |
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| 21:22.34 | limepi | hey there, I'm trying to fix my bluetooth pairing problems |
| 21:22.50 | limepi | by following these instructions http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php/FAQs,_Problems_and_Solutions#Bluetooth_device_not_pairing_after_a_reboot_or_reflash |
| 21:23.15 | limepi | but it seems that there isn't a "trusts" file to be cat'd |
| 21:27.50 | wazd | Chaps, are there any VM Gurus in here?) |
| 21:28.36 | Robot101 | wazd: maybe, what's the question? |
| 21:28.56 | Robot101 | has used Xen a lot and libvirt/kvm more recently |
| 21:28.58 | wazd | Software detects that i run it in VM |
| 21:29.12 | wazd | and stops running, calls mom :) |
| 21:29.43 | wazd | Can I somehow avoid that stuff? |
| 21:29.52 | lcuk | etrunko, \o congrats on so many students, but why didnt you get one to make a media player, canola would be perfect for one :P |
| 21:30.37 | Robot101 | wazd: pass, I have no idea. most VM technologies make no secret they're virtualised, like they return CPU/system IDs like "KVM virtual CPU" and such |
| 21:30.58 | Robot101 | wazd: depends what mechanism is being used to detect the virtualisation, and what virtualisation technology is being used |
| 21:31.11 | wazd | VMWare |
| 21:31.23 | wazd | mechanism - dunno :( |
| 21:31.25 | Robot101 | wazd: depending how ninja you are, and how ninja the software you're trying to crack is, you can get a decompiler going on it |
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| 21:31.48 | wazd | I'm Ninja from Beverley Hills :D |
| 21:32.13 | Robot101 | tooks like http://code.google.com/p/ospy/ can help for finding certain function calls and returning more... appealing values :) |
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| 21:36.19 | wazd | thanks :) |
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| 21:41.29 | Robot101 | s/took/tool/, lol |
| 21:41.55 | Robot101 | fool of a took! |
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| 21:50.55 | lcuk | wazd, what are you trying to run inside a vm |
| 21:51.30 | wazd | Game client :) |
| 21:51.35 | wazd | XP |
| 21:51.58 | luke-jr | you sound like b-man |
| 21:52.56 | lcuk | games have very special eulas to stop you from pirating them :P |
| 21:53.07 | lcuk | and code to back them up |
| 21:53.26 | lcuk | which are you trying to play? |
| 21:53.27 | wazd | lcuk: well, the client is free :) |
| 21:53.39 | lcuk | but the games on it arent :P |
| 21:53.47 | lcuk | i gather you are on about the hot water on |
| 21:53.47 | lcuk | e |
| 21:53.48 | wazd | lcuk: but it doesn't allow to run multiple windows on 1 machine |
| 21:53.49 | VDVsx | wazd, steam ? |
| 21:53.59 | qwerty12_N800 | (hint: steam is cracked to hell) |
| 21:54.33 | lcuk | obviously wazd is a litter further than hell |
| 21:54.43 | wazd | VDVsx: nope, Lineage II :) |
| 21:56.00 | VDVsx | wazd, and what error/behavior you got in the VM? |
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| 21:57.04 | wazd | VDVsx: "Sorry, this app couldn't be ran in VM" :) |
| 21:57.44 | VDVsx | wazd, lol, Why ? don't make any sense to me :( |
| 21:57.48 | lcuk | pretty clear to me |
| 21:57.52 | VDVsx | lol |
| 21:57.53 | qwerty12_N800 | wazd: there was a thread on russian steam forum using wine (yes, it exists for windows, oddly) to run two steam clients in windows |
| 21:58.17 | wazd | hmmm) |
| 21:59.21 | qwerty12_N800 | wine is powerful stuff - it passed genuine advantage check for a while without cracks :) |
| 22:00.26 | wazd | qwerty12_N800: thanks! |
| 22:00.41 | wazd | qwerty12_N800: btw, why are you surfing russian forums all the time?) |
| 22:02.09 | qwerty12_N800 | Oh, I find Russians to be very resourceful & Russian forums to be a great source of info (with google translate). Besides, this particular forum had an English section :p |
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| 22:26.00 | labaudio | johnx are you there? |
| 22:26.44 | labaudio | sdk hardy desktop is in 2 part....so how i extract properly the image? |
| 22:31.34 | limepi | hey, is anyone with bluetooth expertise around? |
| 22:33.18 | labaudio | sdk hardy desktop is in 2 part....so how i extract properly the image? |
| 22:34.06 | lcuk | labaudio, hardy desktop? |
| 22:34.19 | labaudio | yes |
| 22:34.29 | labaudio | sdk hardy desktop |
| 22:34.48 | lcuk | i didnt mishear you (irc is good like that) i just didnt know what it was in relation to maemo |
| 22:35.50 | fireun | wow, summer classes suck |
| 22:35.55 | labaudio | Maemo Diablo Ubuntu Hardy Desktop virtual SDK image |
| 22:36.15 | labaudio | comes in 2 ziped files |
| 22:36.28 | labaudio | how to properly extract then |
| 22:36.40 | labaudio | its full maemo topic here i think |
| 22:41.09 | labaudio | no clue lcuk? |
| 22:41.24 | lcuk | no sorry |
| 22:41.29 | labaudio | ok |
| 22:41.48 | lcuk | try itt |
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| 22:53.47 | labaudio | sdk hardy desktop is in 2 part....so how i extract properly the image? |
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| 23:24.03 | lcuk | is anyone able to build valgrind for maemo in a scratchbox for me please? :$ |
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| 23:24.25 | lcuk | and would anyone know of a reason why i couldnt use it |
| 23:38.19 | VDVsx | lcuk, I think I saw some maemo wiki pages about valgrind |
| 23:39.24 | lcuk | gulp |
| 23:39.31 | lcuk | i think ill just follow my hunch lol |
| 23:39.40 | lcuk | VDVsx, thanks i saw |
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| 23:53.17 | labaudio | sdk hardy desktop is in 2 part....so how i extract properly the image? |