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| 01:32.29 | b-man16 | hmm, quite quite :P |
| 01:37.51 | GeneralAntilles | Wow, OWC just screwed me hard. |
| 01:39.33 | b-man16 | OWC? |
| 01:41.24 | GeneralAntilles | macsales.com |
| 01:41.44 | GeneralAntilles | The box I have here with the enclosure that failed and took out 600GB of my data with it says 2 year warranty |
| 01:42.09 | GeneralAntilles | they sent me a "copy" of the invoice (which isn't available through their website for some reason) to "prove" that it's only a 1 year warranty. |
| 01:42.38 | b-man16 | hmm |
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| 01:49.37 | b-man16 | maybe changed the warranty :P |
| 01:49.41 | b-man16 | hates his keyboard :P |
| 01:49.47 | b-man16 | re: maybe thay changed the warranty :P |
| 01:49.59 | b-man16 | but that seems verry unlikely |
| 01:50.43 | GeneralAntilles | They did change the warranty at some point |
| 01:50.46 | GeneralAntilles | But that doesn't apply retroactively. |
| 01:53.29 | GeneralAntilles | The release content thread is depressing |
| 01:53.32 | GeneralAntilles | Not much confidence. |
| 01:58.52 | GeneralAntilles | s/content/contest/ |
| 02:01.00 | rm_you__ | GeneralAntilles: finally moving ABL to autobuilder queue and it should work this time :P |
| 02:01.08 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 02:01.13 | GeneralAntilles | Just one patch in this release, right? |
| 02:02.31 | rm_you__ | like 5 actually |
| 02:02.36 | rm_you__ | nothing super-major |
| 02:02.45 | rm_you__ | but will be good to have the updated mer-compatible source in the repo |
| 02:02.52 | GeneralAntilles | Damn, you're supposed to release those one at a time. :P |
| 02:02.56 | rm_you__ | so people who dont use SVN won't be confused |
| 02:04.14 | GeneralAntilles | When are you going to have time to implement the control panel? |
| 02:04.19 | GeneralAntilles | Mer could really use an open source one. |
| 02:04.47 | rm_you | ah |
| 02:04.49 | rm_you | yeah |
| 02:04.52 | rm_you | this summer |
| 02:04.55 | rm_you | like, a month |
| 02:05.00 | rm_you | from now |
| 02:05.06 | rm_you | after finals :P |
| 02:05.35 | rm_you | i wonder if Nokia wants to hire me for a summer internship and fly me to Finland :P |
| 02:05.37 | GeneralAntilles | Good, good. |
| 02:05.40 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 02:05.41 | rm_you | i should apply :P lol |
| 02:06.08 | luke-jr | wonders why Qt Mapper isn't just Marble? |
| 02:06.13 | GeneralAntilles | You should've applied to GSoC |
| 02:06.17 | GeneralAntilles | That would've made me laugh. |
| 02:06.42 | rm_you | lol |
| 02:06.47 | rm_you | i woulda made it IMO :P |
| 02:06.53 | GeneralAntilles | You could be your own project mentor. |
| 02:06.58 | rm_you | but missed the application date |
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| 02:07.37 | luke-jr | doc|work: ö |
| 02:09.43 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: have time to test the ABL in extras-devel? :P |
| 02:10.22 | GeneralAntilles | Has it been pushed to the repo yet? |
| 02:10.28 | rm_you | err |
| 02:10.30 | rm_you | sec |
| 02:11.36 | rm_you | grr |
| 02:11.40 | rm_you | it's being weird |
| 02:12.07 | GAN800 | It takes a little while for the builds to make it to the repo proper |
| 02:12.27 | rm_you | Section: user/Utilities |
| 02:12.30 | rm_you | is that wrong nowadays? |
| 02:12.39 | GAN800 | It was always wrong |
| 02:12.46 | rm_you | what is it supposed to be |
| 02:12.54 | GAN800 | Sections are always lowercase |
| 02:13.20 | GAN800 | one sec |
| 02:13.47 | GAN800 | user/desktop |
| 02:14.04 | GAN800 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Package_categories#New_list_for_Diablo |
| 02:14.12 | rm_you | k |
| 02:15.44 | rm_you | well, working on it |
| 02:15.47 | GAN800 | lol . . . mullf's lost it |
| 02:16.32 | rm_you | Applicationsubmitted |
| 02:16.33 | rm_you | advanced-backlight_0.15-02009-04-18T02:15:53Z |
| 02:16.38 | rm_you | we'll see |
| 02:17.12 | rm_you | bbl |
| 02:17.17 | GeneralAntilles | This is where tekojo finally has to buy us a new build machine. |
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| 03:00.06 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, it appears to work fine. |
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| 05:51.11 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: promoted |
| 05:52.44 | johnx | hey rm_you |
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| 06:08.41 | rm_you | hey |
| 06:08.51 | johnx | rm_you, you're a bit laggy tonight :P |
| 06:09.17 | rm_you | waits 10 minutes |
| 06:09.21 | rm_you | yep :P |
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| 06:10.16 | rm_you | pushed a new version of ABL from like Dec. 2008 |
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| 06:10.49 | johnx | did scratchbox on my machine work for you? |
| 06:14.23 | rm_you | yes |
| 06:14.24 | rm_you | nicely |
| 06:14.35 | rm_you | got to go to sleep ATM :( |
| 06:14.43 | rm_you | ttyl :) |
| 06:14.46 | johnx | catch you later |
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| 06:21.01 | RST38h | moo all |
| 06:21.07 | Snaht | if I've accidentally installed an application under an unintended sub-menu in the applications menu, how do I move it to the desired submenu? Uninstall/reinstall? |
| 06:21.23 | johnx | morning RST38h |
| 06:21.27 | RST38h | Snaht: Go to Settings, there is a config panel for that |
| 06:21.33 | RST38h | heya johnx |
| 06:21.40 | RST38h | johnx: how are things? |
| 06:21.48 | johnx | Snaht, Settings -> Control Panel -> Navigation -> Organize |
| 06:22.07 | johnx | RST38h, not too bad. Settling in here, pounding the streets for jobs, that sort of thing |
| 06:22.26 | johnx | s/Navigation/Task Navigator/ |
| 06:24.18 | RST38h | johnx: is the employment situation looking good for IT jobs? |
| 06:24.26 | johnx | it's not looking too bad |
| 06:24.39 | RST38h | johnx: thanks for confirming =) |
| 06:24.40 | Snaht | ah, thank you. I didn't see an Navigation option after control panel, but the Organize was the clue I needed. I found it in panels. Thanks again. |
| 06:24.49 | johnx | I just spent an inordinate amount of time updating my resume and cover letter templates |
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| 08:52.54 | thopiekar | to all german maemo users.. there is a new channel #maemo.de.. see you there :) |
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| 10:26.54 | aquatix | hey all |
| 10:27.29 | lcuk | \o |
| 10:27.32 | qwerty12 | moorning aquatix, lcuk |
| 10:28.00 | aquatix | 'sup? |
| 10:31.03 | lcuk | hey qwerty |
| 10:31.17 | lcuk | is going to jakes birthday party, ill brb |
| 10:32.22 | Jaffa | Right. Lawn mowed, wife & kids on way home. Time for a coffee and to read the paper |
| 10:51.48 | thux | when do backup/restore program backup and choose the application cataloque, does ir backup repositories addresses or also all installed applications? |
| 10:52.18 | qwerty12 | It backs up the list of repos and the list of installed apps |
| 10:53.27 | thux | and after restore it installs all apps back automatically? |
| 10:53.47 | qwerty12 | Yes, it brings up a list and asks you want to want to reinstall |
| 10:53.59 | thux | thanks |
| 10:55.01 | thux | have then uninstall few apps before backup |
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| 11:09.38 | lopz | hola |
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| 11:12.14 | roope | hi. |
| 11:13.28 | GeneralAntilles | I'm saddened by the release pessimism on itT. |
| 11:13.30 | GeneralAntilles | Hi, roope. |
| 11:13.48 | roope | Hi. Yes, people like to speculate. :) |
| 11:14.57 | GeneralAntilles | A Christmas release would depress me muchly. |
| 11:15.11 | Jaffa | hi roope |
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| 11:16.20 | roope | Sorry, have to be mum about release dates. But I'm not a pessimist in general. :) |
| 11:16.48 | roope | There's good progress every week. |
| 11:17.09 | ShadowJK | it's done when it's done, and hopefully not much before :) |
| 11:18.49 | roope | Maemo is a part of Nokia, and therefore also release dates are set With a Big Brush, thinknig about the whole company. |
| 11:19.14 | roope | If Maemo would be like Pandora, of course the strategy behind releases and publicity etc. might be completely different. |
| 11:19.30 | roope | (Although I'm happy we're not like Pandora. ;) |
| 11:19.40 | ShadowJK | or DNF |
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| 11:36.16 | ShadowJK | duke nukem forever :) |
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| 12:58.48 | thux | just flashed fresh diablo cause old one behaved strangely and didn't find the reason |
| 12:59.44 | thux | was slow and sluggish and many times few icons missing from desktop |
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| 13:06.57 | orangey | hello all! |
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| 13:07.10 | orangey | Does anybody here know how to sync mcalendar with anything but google? |
| 13:07.18 | orangey | does it have a .ics somewhere? |
| 13:07.33 | orangey | or can syncevolution tap it somehow? |
| 13:08.55 | orangey | I guess for that matter: which is the best calendar program to use? |
| 13:12.59 | pupnik | dunno |
| 13:13.28 | thux | i don't use calender, don't know either |
| 13:14.09 | RST38h | moo pupnik |
| 13:15.00 | RST38h | orangey: http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo+calendar&btnG=Google+Search&aq=0&oq=maemo+cale |
| 13:16.25 | orangey | RST38h: I have already done this, and have a reasonable survey of what is around. |
| 13:16.41 | orangey | What I am more interested in knowing, other than a reflex google search, is human experiences with these programs. |
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| 13:19.04 | pupnik | moo |
| 13:19.51 | lbt | orangey: I use gpe calendar with egroupware |
| 13:19.53 | pupnik | moving to new house |
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| 13:20.09 | lbt | it's not perfect and I'm having issues with the newest egw |
| 13:20.11 | pupnik | back pain just manageable |
| 13:20.14 | lbt | but I like it |
| 13:20.21 | pupnik | egw? |
| 13:20.27 | lbt | egroupware |
| 13:20.55 | lbt | rather nice server-based groupware |
| 13:21.03 | pupnik | k |
| 13:21.08 | lbt | I run it on a VM at home as a central sync service |
| 13:21.50 | orangey | lbt: Where does gpe cal store its calendar? |
| 13:22.01 | pupnik | browser interface? |
| 13:22.15 | lbt | sorry, I'm in Mer... - it has a local cache though |
| 13:22.40 | lbt | pupnik yes - mainly browser based |
| 13:23.02 | lbt | but has open interfaces to KDE and Gnome (and other) apps |
| 13:23.20 | lbt | I use it as an LDAP store too |
| 13:23.27 | lbt | for all my contact infi# |
| 13:23.30 | lbt | info |
| 13:23.45 | lbt | I want to sync LDAP onto slapd on Mer |
| 13:24.12 | orangey | Mer is what? |
| 13:24.17 | orangey | the next maemo. |
| 13:24.19 | orangey | ? |
| 13:24.23 | lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer |
| 13:24.30 | orangey | rather, the next user-based OS for Maemo |
| 13:24.38 | orangey | is it usable in practical terms? |
| 13:24.43 | lbt | maemo for when Nokia abandons the N8x0 |
| 13:24.46 | lbt | yes |
| 13:24.56 | lbt | also for other devices |
| 13:25.02 | orangey | is it as good / better than diablo? |
| 13:25.08 | lbt | criteria? |
| 13:25.15 | orangey | most significant: stability |
| 13:25.25 | lbt | < |
| 13:25.35 | orangey | 2) I use my 810 as my primary telephone. |
| 13:25.36 | lbt | Mer is new |
| 13:25.55 | orangey | so, is the contacts system as good? and the SIP client? |
| 13:26.00 | lbt | but apt-get install twinkle should work |
| 13:26.06 | lbt | no |
| 13:26.15 | orangey | twinkle is painful. |
| 13:26.19 | orangey | I really, really like sofiasip |
| 13:26.24 | orangey | it integrates amazingly well. |
| 13:26.26 | lbt | Mer isn't for you |
| 13:26.31 | lbt | not yet |
| 13:26.37 | orangey | I think "not yet" is the key. |
| 13:26.47 | orangey | I like the bleeding edge for lots of things, but not for my PDA |
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| 13:27.11 | lbt | I want my N800 to be my phone/pda/contact/browser .... one dat |
| 13:27.28 | orangey | one dat? |
| 13:27.47 | orangey | oh. does mer run perfectly in virtualbox? |
| 13:27.51 | lbt | s/t/y/ |
| 13:28.09 | lbt | ah, forgot we had a good infobot here |
| 13:28.20 | orangey | what does one dat mean? |
| 13:28.37 | lbt | orangey: no, virtualbox has no touchscreen and can't be resized |
| 13:28.55 | lbt | but it runs pretty well |
| 13:29.12 | orangey | OH, one DAY |
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| 13:29.23 | orangey | got it. |
| 13:29.53 | orangey | Anyhow, the n810 is amazing. |
| 13:31.44 | orangey | what is maemo 5 for? has the hardware for it been announced? |
| 13:31.55 | lbt | no |
| 13:33.39 | aquatix | but you might want to google on rx51 |
| 13:33.47 | aquatix | that's the codename of the next tablet |
| 13:33.48 | locutus | jo aquatix |
| 13:33.56 | GeneralAntilles | ~rx-51 |
| 13:33.56 | infobot | rx-51 is probably http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/ http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9093153240.html |
| 13:34.06 | aquatix | hey locutus :) |
| 13:35.42 | lcuk | i wonder what the devices between rx-48 and rx-51 looked like, especially since its a whole cpu jump |
| 13:35.56 | RST38h | lcuk: they were made of bacon. |
| 13:35.58 | lcuk | 48 was the wimax one wasnt it?) |
| 13:36.03 | lbt | they had lots of wire sticking out |
| 13:36.13 | locutus | aquatix: the LCARS theme you mentioned works suprisingly good :) |
| 13:36.14 | RST38h | wonders what rx-71 looks like |
| 13:36.28 | lcuk | its got warp nacells |
| 13:36.30 | orangey | locutus: thanks |
| 13:36.37 | orangey | wow.. That should be pretty spectacular. |
| 13:36.41 | locutus | orangey: you made it? :) |
| 13:36.51 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, you're mistakenly assuming there were any. |
| 13:36.53 | orangey | if it has 3g, that would really answer all my prayers for the damned thing |
| 13:37.34 | aquatix | locutus: yep, i love the okuda one |
| 13:37.41 | RST38h | General: Well, the number gets to increment somehow, so I guess there should at least be paperwork :) |
| 13:37.56 | locutus | i use the padd one |
| 13:37.59 | qwerty12_N800 | lcars is fugly, tritanium ftw |
| 13:38.11 | locutus | with a nice UFP background to round it off |
| 13:38.53 | aquatix | qwerty12_N800: myeah, tritanium is a bit too bland for me |
| 13:39.03 | RST38h | tritanium is sucky IMHO |
| 13:39.14 | aquatix | but hey, that's taste :) |
| 13:39.24 | RST38h | prefers the default theme, at least for Diablo |
| 13:39.24 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, killjoy, just thinking about possibilities |
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| 13:39.37 | qwerty12_N800 | aquatix: lcars could be could be considered the other extreme :P |
| 13:40.01 | RST38h | lcuk: RX-50 has become known as iPhone 3G =) |
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| 13:40.15 | RST38h | lcuk: But don't tell anyone it is a secret! =) |
| 13:40.37 | lcuk | heh i half expect the symbian and maemo folks to have actual fist fights when R&D produce new prototypes |
| 13:40.41 | RST38h | Ok, reboot. If I do not come back., blame Toshiba |
| 13:41.01 | RST38h | lcuk: Maemo folks are too few and Symbian folks are too weak |
| 13:41.10 | aquatix | qwerty12_N800: i like pretty colours ;) |
| 13:41.20 | orangey | is it true there are blurry photos of the new nokia? |
| 13:41.27 | aquatix | default theme is damn nice too |
| 13:41.29 | RST38h | lcuk: Just look at the new Symbian logo - they are either smoking substances on permanent basis or their brains are liquified |
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| 13:41.38 | lcuk | there most likely is, but i dont know of any PUBLIC blurry photos |
| 13:41.46 | qwerty12_N800 | aquatix: I like my colours less garish ;) |
| 13:41.58 | lcuk | RST38h, wouldnt know |
| 13:42.00 | aquatix | qwerty12_N800: the black backdrop makes it up for me |
| 13:42.08 | aquatix | but hey, thankfully tastes differ :) |
| 13:42.21 | lcuk | you cant change the theme on iphone can you |
| 13:42.33 | qwerty12_N800 | :) |
| 13:44.13 | qwerty12_N800 | wazd's titan isn't bad but the background image included with the first revision of the theme was better |
| 13:44.52 | aquatix | don't know what image that is :( |
| 13:45.10 | aquatix | qwerty12_N800: btw, i like the Okuda theme best, LCARS * is a bit too garish for me too |
| 13:45.39 | RST38h | We miss a theme with 20-sided dice, it looks... |
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| 13:47.01 | RST38h | Shit, I finally found it! |
| 13:47.14 | aquatix | RST38h: ? |
| 13:48.01 | RST38h | BT file browser |
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| 14:18.18 | JvA | VDVsx: There? |
| 14:18.41 | VDVsx | JvA, yup |
| 14:18.48 | JvA | Can I pm? |
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| 14:26.07 | JvA | VDVsx: Can I pm |
| 14:26.08 | JvA | ? |
| 14:26.20 | VDVsx | JvA, yup |
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| 14:34.05 | GeneralAntilles | Any itT mods around? |
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| 14:42.57 | lcuk | VDVsx, are you stalking me! |
| 14:43.12 | VDVsx | lcuk, ehehheeh |
| 14:44.01 | lcuk | whats twitux and do you use it lol |
| 14:46.21 | VDVsx | lcuk, gwibber doesn't work in my pre-historic ubuntu |
| 14:46.23 | VDVsx | :( |
| 14:46.56 | lcuk | i wouldnt know lol, the only microblogging client ive heard of is mauku |
| 14:47.15 | Khertan1 | is installing windows qt sdk ... |
| 14:48.22 | lbt | pats Khertan on the head and smiles |
| 14:49.09 | VDVsx | lcuk, http://www.sizlopedia.com/2008/05/03/twitter-clients-for-ubuntu-linux/ -> 8 dif :P |
| 14:49.55 | Khertan1 | :) |
| 14:50.16 | Khertan1 | yes i know ... qt4 on windows ... |
| 14:50.35 | lcuk | nothing wrong with qt at all khertan |
| 14:50.38 | Khertan1 | but i m waiting my new pc to reinstall ubuntu |
| 14:50.55 | lcuk | infact, i take that back, the only thing wrong with qt is the extensions to c++ |
| 14:50.58 | Khertan1 | don't know i m testing it |
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| 14:51.37 | Khertan1 | but the current maemo port doesn't seems to better than gtk |
| 14:51.53 | VDVsx | have Qt installed in is nokia 5800 |
| 14:52.16 | VDVsx | wow, Itt is very lively these days :P |
| 14:52.33 | Khertan1 | itt... maybe i should take a look :) |
| 14:52.43 | lcuk | Khertan1, it will do with time, qt has an extensive library of q classes and functions which really do help cross platform dev |
| 14:53.18 | pupnik | ponders getting donations for fmopl on dsp |
| 14:53.30 | woglinde | qt rockz |
| 14:53.35 | lcuk | but as much as gtk is geared towards mouse, qt on the whole is - but theres tablet oriented classes on the way |
| 14:53.43 | pupnik | but no chance i think |
| 14:54.03 | lcuk | yeah woglinde ive been keeping my eye on it for a while :) |
| 14:54.07 | lcuk | hiya pupnik ! |
| 14:54.16 | woglinde | animation framework rockz |
| 14:54.24 | woglinde | with statemachine |
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| 14:54.55 | woglinde | some stuff is stolen from e11 |
| 14:55.48 | Khertan1 | ouch |
| 14:56.06 | Khertan1 | i found my 24" screen too small for qt designer |
| 14:56.07 | woglinde | Khertan1 only the concepts |
| 14:56.12 | lcuk | woglinde, ive seen lots of discussion about problems relating to animated layouts and event handling - obviously having a state transition manager helps, but you are rolling back and replaying events and muching about with generic internals |
| 14:56.20 | woglinde | khertan lol |
| 14:56.55 | woglinde | and you can use qt against libGles |
| 14:57.01 | woglinde | which gtk cannot I think |
| 14:57.05 | woglinde | but I am not sure |
| 14:58.17 | lcuk | woglinde, sure, theres lots of nice things possible with qt |
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| 14:58.44 | woglinde | jo qwerty |
| 14:58.45 | lcuk | gl for default widgets doesnt help tho - do you have x,y,z and orientation stuffs for textboxes? |
| 14:59.15 | qwerty12 | ello woglinde |
| 14:59.26 | lcuk | or are you meaning to use gl as a compositor |
| 14:59.38 | lcuk | \o hi qwerty |
| 14:59.45 | qwerty12 | ello lcuk |
| 14:59.52 | woglinde | lcuk for animatet stuff |
| 15:00.19 | lcuk | then sure, you can put a gl box inside a gtk layout and render whatever you want |
| 15:00.23 | woglinde | and gpu support |
| 15:00.52 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:00.53 | lcuk | i might be wrong, but gtk just uses x11 with whatever accel it has |
| 15:00.58 | pupnik | evolve |
| 15:01.27 | woglinde | hi pupnik |
| 15:01.30 | lcuk | pupnik, a game engine is easy - what you want is a game engine that can be used to create desktop apps |
| 15:01.52 | Khertan1 | hum ... |
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| 15:01.54 | pupnik | wonder if there is a Q3A wm/compositor |
| 15:02.07 | Khertan1 | does there is a good documentation on pyqt ? |
| 15:02.21 | woglinde | kerthan hm should be |
| 15:02.22 | Khertan1 | it seems i didn't understand well the concept |
| 15:02.58 | lcuk | Khertan1, do you have any example apps to test it with |
| 15:03.03 | lcuk | so you can see how they do it |
| 15:03.46 | Khertan1 | yep ... a QWidget .... and that all :) |
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| 15:04.15 | lcuk | has vcells |
| 15:04.29 | lcuk | if i have a .git server that has undergone drastic changes and i want to commit and push am i best doing a local backup first |
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| 15:04.55 | lcuk | hey ho joyrider_ \o |
| 15:05.13 | joyrider_ | hey :) |
| 15:05.18 | woglinde | lcuk hm pull --rebase works mostly very well |
| 15:06.00 | lcuk | liqbase needs a rebase before i upload to codebase |
| 15:06.22 | woglinde | hm has garage now git support? |
| 15:06.43 | lcuk | yeah but im hosted on codebasehq.com for now |
| 15:06.50 | lcuk | they have better issue tracking |
| 15:06.57 | lcuk | or rather, a better interface for it |
| 15:07.32 | lcuk | joyrider_ hows your game coming |
| 15:07.49 | joyrider_ | got the leveleditor workin :) |
| 15:08.07 | woglinde | I rather intrested in the plugin |
| 15:08.17 | woglinde | for our gforge fork at work |
| 15:08.21 | Khertan1 | no example of pyqt4 for maemo too |
| 15:08.28 | joyrider_ | luck http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnmTLNURuME |
| 15:08.47 | lcuk | Khertan1, just a mo ill find you one |
| 15:08.54 | Khertan1 | mo ? |
| 15:08.54 | qwerty12 | Khertan1: this app uses PyQT: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=280607#post280607 |
| 15:08.57 | qwerty12 | moment |
| 15:09.00 | lcuk | qwerty12, can you remember where it was again? the scrolly thing |
| 15:09.04 | lcuk | cannot navigate the forum |
| 15:09.06 | Khertan1 | ah ok thx :) |
| 15:09.12 | lcuk | lol |
| 15:09.30 | qwerty12 | lcuk / Khertan1: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=279457&postcount=22 |
| 15:09.41 | qwerty12 | (the scrolly thing lcuk is referring to) |
| 15:10.10 | lcuk | :D thanks |
| 15:10.32 | lcuk | qwerty12, when do you turn 18? |
| 15:11.02 | qwerty12 | About 2 years and 8 months |
| 15:11.27 | qwerty12 | No, what am I on? 1 year and 8 months |
| 15:11.37 | lcuk | lol |
| 15:11.51 | Khertan1 | you hou ! |
| 15:11.54 | lcuk | the beer will be flat by then |
| 15:11.59 | Khertan1 | i found more example :) |
| 15:12.07 | lcuk | \o/ w00t |
| 15:12.49 | woglinde | uh git stuff announcment on april 1st |
| 15:15.23 | woglinde | hm but how many projects now converting |
| 15:16.02 | konttori_ | so, pyqt bindings are avilable for diablo? |
| 15:16.04 | konttori_ | cool! |
| 15:16.45 | lcuk | woglinde, i dont think its mostly about converting yet, its available for new projects |
| 15:16.46 | woglinde | knottori I think they are there a long of time |
| 15:16.53 | lcuk | thinks liqbase will be in the garage git soon |
| 15:16.57 | woglinde | hm okay |
| 15:17.10 | woglinde | seems you cannt do mor repos and no personal repos |
| 15:17.18 | lcuk | obviously its good if projects do, but usually things dont just change overnight |
| 15:17.36 | lcuk | hiya konttori_ \o |
| 15:18.05 | konttori_ | My beautiful baby girl was born on monday, so, I've been off for a while |
| 15:18.18 | lcuk | :D congratulations! |
| 15:18.19 | qwerty12 | Congrats! |
| 15:18.56 | lcuk | konttori_, i hope you are looking after your wife |
| 15:19.45 | GeneralAntilles | 'grats, konttori_! |
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| 15:22.49 | konttori_ | thanks guys! |
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| 15:23.31 | lcuk | konttori_, how long do you have off for paterntity over there |
| 15:23.52 | lcuk | -t lol |
| 15:23.53 | konttori_ | I've been at the hospital since monday, we came home yesterday and got thumbs up today, so all is fine with her. I was just about to blog on converting ukmp to fremantle, when this happiness came to be. |
| 15:24.15 | konttori_ | lcuk: 2 weeks now, one week in the autumn and one month next january. |
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| 15:25.03 | b-man` | wb qwerty12 |
| 15:25.11 | qwerty12 | Thanks b-man` |
| 15:25.56 | lcuk | forget blogging bout fremantle, and put a blog about you little one, are baby and mummy doing well? what weight was little one? and most important what have you called her? |
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| 15:30.32 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 15:30.55 | woglinde | konttori_ gratz |
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| 15:43.10 | konttori_ | lcuk: we have no idea of her name yet |
| 15:43.22 | konttori_ | and yeah, I'll be blogging about that |
| 15:43.30 | konttori_ | woglinde: thanks |
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| 15:44.06 | woglinde | knottori no name? |
| 15:44.08 | lcuk | keep your normal naming conventions, how about "uklp" (little princess lol) |
| 15:44.23 | woglinde | here in germany you have to provide a name at birth |
| 15:44.35 | woglinde | lcuk hehe |
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| 15:47.10 | woglinde | till later |
| 15:50.09 | konttori_ | woglinde: not yet |
| 15:50.20 | konttori_ | in finland it's customary to give it after a few weeks |
| 15:53.31 | lcuk | thats nice, gives you a chance to find a suitable name :) |
| 15:59.50 | RST38h | woglinde: what if you do not provide a name? |
| 16:00.08 | RST38h | lcuk: Why not do it in advance? =) |
| 16:00.27 | lcuk | cos you dont know what your baby will be like |
| 16:01.10 | RST38h | lcuk: well, it will be either boy or girl (easily determined a few months before birth), it will be small, pink, and round |
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| 16:06.44 | woglinde | RST38 hm good question |
| 16:06.57 | woglinde | RST38h than you got a blank document about the birth |
| 16:08.40 | locutus | hey, not all children are pink at birth :-( |
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| 16:09.16 | RST38h | heh |
| 16:09.52 | woglinde | *g* |
| 16:10.04 | RST38h | locutus: but they all get there eventually =) |
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| 16:38.14 | user_ | i set up rotation using the instructions from http://wiki.maemo.org/Rotation, but now I can't use apt-get :( |
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| 16:39.18 | woglinde | user_ why? |
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| 16:44.42 | user_ | i get :"osso-software-version-rx44: depends kernel-diablo-flasher (version) but versionrotationfast is to be installed |
| 16:45.35 | user_ | i tried using apt-get -f but that did not help |
| 16:45.45 | woglinde | apt-get -f install |
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| 16:57.45 | cousinitt | apt-get -f install gives the same error |
| 16:58.36 | konttori_ | cousinitt: you will need to remove the osso-software-version-rx44 first |
| 16:58.43 | konttori_ | it's the SSU core package |
| 16:58.51 | konttori_ | and it's guarding the system. |
| 17:03.33 | cousinitt | apt-get remove osso-software-version-rx44 ? |
| 17:04.14 | rm_you | apt-get install osso-software-version-rx44-unlocked |
| 17:04.16 | rm_you | IIRC |
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| 17:17.20 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, -unlocked. |
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| 17:20.59 | cousinitt_ | the instructions say: If you are flashed your device with 5.2008.43-7 (not updated from a earlier firmware!) then you only install advanced-backlight |
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| 18:14.10 | Khertan1 | Hello |
| 18:16.00 | Khertan1 | lcuk: http://khertan.net/poubelle/screenshot_pyqt.png |
| 18:16.11 | Khertan1 | lcuk: the result isn't really great |
| 18:16.17 | Khertan1 | can't move the toolbar |
| 18:16.28 | Khertan1 | like on the window version |
| 18:16.45 | Khertan1 | the highlight in menu is wrong |
| 18:16.53 | Khertan1 | and size of window too |
| 18:17.00 | lcuk | Khertan1, but look at what you have after an afternoon of hacking. |
| 18:17.07 | lcuk | an application in an entirely new toolkit! |
| 18:17.28 | Khertan1 | (i ve got trying too the new toyota auris :) |
| 18:17.36 | Khertan1 | as i ll surely bought a new car |
| 18:17.42 | Khertan1 | but ... yep in one hour |
| 18:18.07 | lcuk | how are you going to code on the way to work if you are driving o_O |
| 18:18.08 | Khertan1 | lcuk: but to be honest the result isn't great |
| 18:18.14 | lcuk | or will you carry on getting the train anyway |
| 18:18.25 | lcuk | ok Khertan1 but dont you feel at least partly better by trying |
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| 18:18.51 | Khertan1 | nope just a new car for my wife |
| 18:18.55 | Khertan1 | as i prefer mine |
| 18:18.55 | lcuk | what you have discovered are niggles, it might be an idea to post them to the bugtracker |
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| 18:19.36 | Khertan1 | lcuk : i didn't have the time ... from what i see if i whant to report bugs i ll no have anymore time to code |
| 18:20.21 | lcuk | i know that feeling! mind you, im filing bugs and making changes as we speak lol |
| 18:21.26 | Khertan1 | hum ... the same apps running on windows is really better |
| 18:23.03 | cars__ | I'm having difficulty viewing my Windows network from my n810. Usually I just have to open up the file manager and it shows up. |
| 18:23.41 | Khertan1 | lcuk: anyway i ll take a look at qt for other reason ... to do win32 apps :) |
| 18:25.03 | lcuk | yes, its interesting |
| 18:30.24 | Khertan1 | yep |
| 18:30.47 | Khertan1 | but from what i understand it ll be more and more used on the maemo plateform ... |
| 18:30.52 | Khertan1 | so it ll be usefull |
| 18:30.53 | Khertan1 | :) |
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| 18:36.21 | Corsac | is it possible to use the internal gps from the n810 from another box, using bluetooth? |
| 18:37.18 | lcuk | Corsac, it should be possible, you just need to find something to act as the gps daemon on maemo to respond to requests etc |
| 18:37.27 | lcuk | not sure on the technicals or if its been tried |
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| 18:38.19 | Corsac | I have gpsd running on the device so it should be possible to access it via wlan |
| 18:38.23 | Corsac | but using bluetooth? |
| 18:41.01 | Jaffa | Making the N810 act as a Bluetooth serial device should work |
| 18:41.05 | Jaffa | Outputting NMEA strings |
| 18:42.47 | Stskeeps | waves from warsaw |
| 18:43.04 | lcuk | waves back |
| 18:43.28 | Corsac | Jaffa: any idea how to do that? :) |
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| 18:45.37 | qwerty12_N800 | Must I gtk_init to use osso_cp_plugin_execute? |
| 18:47.37 | inz | qwerty, yes, the plugin is run in-process (unless it is already open in control panel) |
| 18:48.07 | qwerty12_N800 | inz: thanks, wondered where I was going wrong... |
| 18:49.41 | florian | re |
| 18:54.59 | Corsac | mmh, it seems that the gpsd won't let me connect |
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| 19:10.14 | RST38h | Moo Sts, qwerty, lcuk |
| 19:10.25 | RST38h | Whoever likes airplanes, http://community.livejournal.com/idu_shagayu/1813062.html?#cutid1 |
| 19:10.29 | qwerty12_N800 | baa RST38h |
| 19:10.43 | lcuk | oink! |
| 19:11.19 | qwerty12_N800 | gets the chainsaw and gives lcuk his favourite food. No, wait... |
| 19:11.28 | Corsac | weird, gpmsmon seems to find data |
| 19:11.31 | Corsac | gpsmon |
| 19:11.36 | Corsac | but xgps or whatever doesn't |
| 19:11.48 | RST38h | qwerty: Make sure he ends up as bacon |
| 19:12.11 | qwerty12_N800 | Aye, that's the plan |
| 19:12.19 | lcuk | i am pre-bacon |
| 19:12.19 | RST38h | avenge all those innocent little piggies! |
| 19:13.01 | lcuk | wow RST38h |
| 19:13.07 | lcuk | thats such a waste |
| 19:13.14 | RST38h | what? |
| 19:13.35 | lcuk | the planes |
| 19:13.39 | lcuk | they should be in the sky |
| 19:13.48 | RST38h | oh, those |
| 19:13.54 | RST38h | it is an open air aviation museum |
| 19:14.08 | RST38h | a little more than a junkyard at the moment, really |
| 19:14.16 | woglinde | re |
| 19:14.18 | doc|work | is that another name for coldwar bullshit scrapyard? :/ |
| 19:14.25 | doc|work | aww, too slow :/ |
| 19:14.40 | RST38h | more or less, although they have got civilian models as well there |
| 19:15.01 | doc|work | in soviet russia there's no such thing as civilian : |
| 19:15.03 | doc|work | :) |
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| 19:15.37 | RST38h | doc: why? |
| 19:15.54 | doc|work | RST38h: because everyone's just a cog in one giant state machine |
| 19:16.11 | doc|work | (not that the rest of us are much better off these days :( ) |
| 19:16.19 | RST38h | and there are no civilian cogs there? |
| 19:16.34 | bongo|kup | what do i need to use jabber with pidgin? |
| 19:16.44 | doc|work | bongo|kup: nothing usually |
| 19:16.50 | woglinde | bongo internet connection |
| 19:16.57 | doc|work | bongo|kup: select xmpp |
| 19:17.03 | RST38h | may have to download a plugin but it should be there by default |
| 19:17.31 | bongo|kup | i can't find it in the protocoll list |
| 19:18.09 | bongo|kup | icq, msn, aim .... i's all there |
| 19:18.22 | bongo|kup | but no xmpp |
| 19:18.27 | bongo|kup | :( |
| 19:22.32 | woglinde | hm its time for a berr |
| 19:22.34 | woglinde | ups beer |
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| 19:51.01 | KurtKraut | I tried to upgrade my N800 to OS2008 using Windows Vista and there was a write fail during the upgrade and now my tablet is in a reboot loop. I cannot re-do the upgrade nor use it. Any suggestions? |
| 19:55.49 | Meiz_n810 | why can't you re-upgrade? |
| 19:56.16 | woglinde | meiz its to easy |
| 19:57.14 | Corsac | hmhm, it seems that gpsd doesn't send anything on the 2947 port |
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| 20:01.02 | KurtKraut | Meiz_n810, since it is in a reboot loop, after it is detected by the upgrader, it reboots and disconnects from USB |
| 20:01.26 | woglinde | KurtKraut hm then it might be bricked |
| 20:01.44 | KurtKraut | woglinde, how can I fix that? |
| 20:02.08 | woglinde | KurtKraut send it back to nokia? |
| 20:02.20 | GeneralAntilles | Are you holding down Home? |
| 20:02.36 | KurtKraut | GeneralAntilles, are you asking me this? |
| 20:02.46 | GeneralAntilles | Yes. |
| 20:02.51 | KurtKraut | woglinde, that sounds pretty bad :/ |
| 20:02.57 | GeneralAntilles | If you're not holding down Hom, it wont wait in flashing mode. |
| 20:03.13 | GeneralAntilles | s/Hom/Home/ |
| 20:03.24 | KurtKraut | GeneralAntilles, no, I'm now holding no button. And I've never seen this in any instructions, but I'll try that now |
| 20:03.49 | GeneralAntilles | ~flashing |
| 20:03.49 | infobot | [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 20:04.29 | milhouse | Anyone know why Nokia would be ordering 2 million capacitive touchscreens for May-June? Speculation is their for the 5800 handset, but could they be for the new tablet? |
| 20:04.40 | milhouse | s/their/they're/ |
| 20:04.57 | Ave | does n810 have resistive or capasitive ts? |
| 20:05.28 | GeneralAntilles | milhouse, there's no way it's the tablet. |
| 20:05.38 | milhouse | 2m too many? |
| 20:05.45 | ShadowJK | Ave, resistive |
| 20:05.55 | GeneralAntilles | There are two resistive panels in the kernel |
| 20:06.49 | KurtKraut | GeneralAntilles, the rebooting loop stopped. I think it will work. Thanks a lot for your information. |
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| 20:06.50 | Ave | kthx |
| 20:06.59 | milhouse | GA: I don't know the sales figures for previous tablets, maybe 2 million this time if the product is good enough? |
| 20:07.02 | GeneralAntilles | milhouse, liqbase is a Fremantle star. |
| 20:07.14 | GeneralAntilles | Well, I know for sure they're ramping it up for this round |
| 20:07.19 | GeneralAntilles | So definitely expect more than before. |
| 20:07.26 | GeneralAntilles | 770 was about 50k |
| 20:07.33 | GeneralAntilles | N800 was somewhere around 500k |
| 20:07.34 | milhouse | GA: About time to make a proper go of it |
| 20:07.39 | GeneralAntilles | N810 I could only guess on |
| 20:07.42 | GeneralAntilles | but I'd bet over a million |
| 20:08.01 | milhouse | So maybe 2m isn't such a stretch after all |
| 20:08.11 | ShadowJK | it could be for something silly too |
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| 20:08.27 | GeneralAntilles | Nah, but I don't think that number is useful in deciding whether it's for the tablets |
| 20:08.35 | GeneralAntilles | Better to look at what's in the code |
| 20:08.39 | ShadowJK | yeah |
| 20:08.42 | GeneralAntilles | and the code says "no capacitive" |
| 20:09.08 | milhouse | GA: Was just a punt in the dark! :) |
| 20:09.20 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, :D |
| 20:09.23 | ShadowJK | Isn't 5800 out already, or was their first S60 5th edition thing called 5600? I forget |
| 20:09.28 | lcuk | liqbase is indeed a * :D |
| 20:09.44 | woglinde | he lcuk |
| 20:09.49 | milhouse | Shadow: Yes, 5800 is out already which is why I thought the news about 2m new touchscreens a little odd |
| 20:09.50 | GeneralAntilles | milhouse, yeah, well, my searchlights and flak 88s are shooting it down. :P |
| 20:10.21 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, * == asshole? |
| 20:10.24 | ShadowJK | Ah, well, from what I've seen of 5th edition on a workmate's 5800, i'd think it'd be a bit challenging to use with capacitive screen |
| 20:10.53 | lcuk | :| |
| 20:11.01 | GeneralAntilles | Ehehe |
| 20:11.06 | GeneralAntilles | Not a Vonnegut fan? |
| 20:11.32 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.vonnegut.com/images/art/aug06/01backdoor.jpg |
| 20:12.05 | ShadowJK | It'd be funny if they made S40 with touchscreen :-) |
| 20:12.18 | KurtKraut | Now I have a working N800 with OS800 thanks to GeneralAntilles, woglinde and Meiz_n810 who gave me some attention to me. Thanks again folks. |
| 20:16.16 | GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, S40 is just funny period. |
| 20:16.19 | RST38h | moo all again |
| 20:16.32 | ShadowJK | GeneralAntilles, my S40 phone is more reliable than my S60 :-) |
| 20:16.36 | ShadowJK | and the UI is more responsive |
| 20:16.37 | woglinde | kurt good to hear |
| 20:16.54 | GeneralAntilles | Every S40 phone I've ever used has been absolute trash. |
| 20:17.22 | ShadowJK | Mind, most of that reliability probably comes from Nokia putting a CSR bluetooth chip in it rather than the TI in my S60 phone, which seems to require daily reboots to function :-) |
| 20:17.50 | RST38h | Shadow,GAN: One word: Java |
| 20:18.14 | woglinde | hm I didnt relize the n's have jazelle |
| 20:18.22 | RST38h | it's not that |
| 20:18.43 | GeneralAntilles | I want a small, reasonably-inexpensive Cortex Linux phone. |
| 20:18.57 | GeneralAntilles | Pre looks generally about right, but Sprint doesn't work. |
| 20:18.59 | woglinde | ga build your self one |
| 20:19.04 | RST38h | not possible given the cost of Cortex chips |
| 20:19.23 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, reasonably-inexpensive. |
| 20:19.35 | GeneralAntilles | i.e., I'm not looking for a giant screen or lots of side features. |
| 20:20.06 | RST38h | General: For reasonably-inexpensive, try anything with Samsung SoCs |
| 20:20.16 | RST38h | TI = expensive |
| 20:20.42 | GeneralAntilles | Anyway, a Cortex M-series wouldn't be super expensive. ;) |
| 20:20.48 | GeneralAntilles | But, that's why I said "reasonably" |
| 20:21.01 | woglinde | gumstick? |
| 20:21.06 | GeneralAntilles | PHONE |
| 20:21.16 | ShadowJK | Curiously the E55 (not released yet) specs list a 600MHz CPU :-) |
| 20:21.32 | GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, pretty standard for the newer ARM11s |
| 20:22.00 | RST38h | Cortex M0: These processors support the Thumb-2 instruction set only. |
| 20:22.18 | RST38h | General: I do not think this one will be able to drive a smartphone |
| 20:22.26 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I was kidding. |
| 20:22.33 | RST38h | Baseband - yes. General purpose - nah |
| 20:22.35 | GeneralAntilles | Mirroring your insistence on silly technicalities. |
| 20:22.46 | RST38h | ah =) |
| 20:23.23 | GeneralAntilles | I wonder how long the Pre's exclusive with Sprint will be. |
| 20:23.31 | GeneralAntilles | Hopefully shorter than the iPhone's with AT&T |
| 20:23.38 | RST38h | if not those silly technicalities, we would all be carrying flexible, transparent, touchscreen Nokia phones with 1Gbps bandwidth permanentnly available at no cost |
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| 20:24.09 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, nah, we wouldn't be endlessing arguing semantics in here. |
| 20:25.04 | RST38h | GAN: As of Pre, my guess is that Palm will simply produce a different phone model with the same software and make it available to more carriers =) |
| 20:26.53 | GeneralAntilles | Or Nokia could just get me a damn tablet so I could stop looking to phones to cure the jonesing. |
| 20:27.22 | ShadowJK | operators here started cutting costs... by not bothering to roll their custom firmwares in order to lock phones :-) |
| 20:28.26 | Ave | that sounds great |
| 20:30.05 | ShadowJK | (Saunalahti) |
| 20:31.01 | RST38h | does not know what a "locked phone" is |
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| 20:32.00 | ShadowJK | one you can't swap sim card in to use with another operator |
| 20:32.27 | ShadowJK | upgrading the software on it might also be blocked |
| 20:33.16 | RST38h | so silly |
| 20:33.36 | RST38h | do they at least subsidize this brick when they sell it to you? |
| 20:33.56 | ShadowJK | Nah it's just a loan in disguise really :-) |
| 20:34.17 | RST38h | so you are not paying for the phone? |
| 20:35.48 | ShadowJK | there's monthly fee |
| 20:35.51 | RST38h | Heh, OLPC switching from deceased Geode to VIA |
| 20:36.38 | GAN800 | They need ARM |
| 20:36.41 | ShadowJK | Probably the nicest thing with olpc was ditching bios for openfirmware |
| 20:36.41 | RST38h | Shadow: can you just buy a normal phone and just pay for airtime and traffic? |
| 20:36.52 | ShadowJK | RST38h, yes |
| 20:36.54 | ShadowJK | That's what I do |
| 20:36.57 | GAN800 | I can't believe they're foisting x86 on a low power rig |
| 20:37.17 | RST38h | GAN: They need to run Windows. That, apparently, was a condition made by would be customer countries |
| 20:37.29 | ShadowJK | pays 10E per month for 2mbit/s unmetered gprs/edge/3g/hsdpa and 6.9cent/minute for calls |
| 20:37.42 | GAN800 | Windows CE? It's close enough. |
| 20:37.58 | RST38h | Shadow: sounds pretty decent |
| 20:38.00 | GAN800 | Anyway, beggars can't be choosers. |
| 20:38.09 | RST38h | GAN: No, they need real Windows not that lobotomized crap |
| 20:38.26 | RST38h | GAN: But they can, that is the curious thing about the whole deal |
| 20:38.31 | GAN800 | They don't 'need' it. |
| 20:38.33 | milhouse | I heard a rumour that the OLPC crowd were pushing MS to get Windows 7 on ARM |
| 20:38.38 | RST38h | GAN: exactly |
| 20:38.55 | RST38h | They do not need those little green monsters |
| 20:39.43 | GAN800 | I wonder how much those requirements cost MS |
| 20:40.37 | RST38h | You mean running Windoze on a Geode? Not much, Windoze can run there, when stripped. It is an x86. |
| 20:40.55 | jaska | "run" |
| 20:41.03 | GAN800 | I mean how much bribe money they paid |
| 20:41.14 | RST38h | Ah, good question =) |
| 20:42.07 | milhouse | Maybe none - would it be in MS's interest to get Win7 on ARM, perhaps running "full" Windows on mobile devices in future? OLPC would be a side benefit. |
| 20:42.41 | milhouse | mobile => ARM |
| 20:42.57 | RST38h | milhouse: getting Win7 on ARM is pointless |
| 20:43.17 | milhouse | Why? |
| 20:43.18 | Jaffa | And almost never going to happen. |
| 20:43.19 | ShadowJK | Software wouldn't run there :-) |
| 20:43.19 | RST38h | milhouse: you do not automatically get all Windows applications |
| 20:43.36 | jaska | win7 on qemu on arm? |
| 20:43.45 | RST38h | milhouse: and even if somebody DOES spend money on porting his app from x86 Windows to arm Windows, it will most likely run slow |
| 20:43.49 | Jaffa | MS don't need the revenue, and getting Win32 apps to be produced in a dual-binary mode like Apple did for the PPC -> x86 transition would be much harder |
| 20:44.11 | milhouse | I think the way ARM processors are going, performance could be quite reasonable - if not this year, then possibly next |
| 20:44.23 | milhouse | Big screen |
| 20:44.23 | RST38h | Hell, people, x86 can read unaligned data just like THAT |
| 20:44.43 | milhouse | Would it be that pointless? I'm not so sure - I bet MS would love to get rid of Win CE |
| 20:45.04 | RST38h | When you recompile x86 stuff to ARM, just finding out all places in the code causing alignment faults will take ages |
| 20:45.04 | pupnik | i listen to RST on such things |
| 20:45.04 | milhouse | And MS have supported multiple CPU architectures in Windows before now |
| 20:45.22 | pupnik | RST38h new fmopl for dosbox |
| 20:45.22 | RST38h | It still does |
| 20:45.51 | RST38h | But that word "support" is somewhat exagerrated |
| 20:45.52 | milhouse | Really - where can I get XP for my DEC Alpha? ;-) |
| 20:46.17 | RST38h | Dunno. But you can get it on the Itanic |
| 20:46.32 | GAN800 | Ah, Windows, honestly, who gives a shit? |
| 20:46.42 | Pavlov | 90% of the population |
| 20:46.45 | milhouse | I do - I've got shares in ARM! :) |
| 20:47.06 | GAN800 | Pavlov, they don't coung |
| 20:47.12 | Pavlov | haha |
| 20:47.14 | GAN800 | s/coung/count/ |
| 20:47.38 | Pavlov | if only |
| 20:47.46 | RST38h | Anyways, the Windoze requirement in OLPCs was made by the potential recipient countries |
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| 20:48.16 | qwerty12_N800 | rm_you: ping |
| 20:48.41 | RST38h | Poor Negroponte ventured out of his ivory tower and suddenly found out that those poor latinos and indians can just buy a bunch of desktops for $200/apiece rather than invest in his white elephant |
| 20:50.19 | milhouse | I wouldn't be so hard on the guy - he had laudible aims |
| 20:50.25 | RST38h | Some of them kinda agree to buy his stuff but only if it runs standard office software = Windows |
| 20:50.52 | rm_you | qwerty12_N800: pong |
| 20:50.52 | RST38h | milhouse: Yes, obviously, he wanted money grants for his lab =) |
| 20:50.57 | milhouse | Funny how Intel muscled their way in once they saw the potential for sales of their expensive kit to dry up |
| 20:51.06 | qwerty12_N800 | rm_you: may I PM you? |
| 20:51.19 | rm_you | qwerty12_N800: course |
| 20:53.42 | RST38h | milhouse: Intel always produced inexpensive chips (Celerons) |
| 20:54.04 | milhouse | chipset cost? |
| 20:54.09 | RST38h | and before that - 486SX and 386SX and 8088 |
| 20:54.37 | fireun | and then 8086 |
| 20:54.37 | RST38h | milhouse: just use a crappy VIA chipset |
| 20:54.44 | locutus | great |
| 20:54.54 | milhouse | VIA chipset on an Intel machine? doubt it! |
| 20:54.54 | locutus | my N810 only powers down immediately after booting :-/ |
| 20:54.57 | RST38h | No, 8088 is actually a lower cost version of 8086 |
| 20:55.11 | fireun | shrugs at the relavance |
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| 20:55.26 | pupnik | kickass |
| 20:55.49 | pupnik | watching youtubes on my panasonic bluray player |
| 20:55.51 | RST38h | milhouse: http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/chipsets/desktop-chipsets.jsp#intel-processors |
| 20:56.03 | Macer | Stskeeps: get it yet? :) |
| 20:56.03 | milhouse | RST: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classmate_PC |
| 20:56.04 | Macer | haha |
| 20:56.08 | Macer | or is it still in customs? |
| 20:56.36 | RST38h | milhouse: yea, I know what it is. So? |
| 20:56.52 | locutus | righto |
| 20:56.58 | milhouse | Do you really think Intel would manufacture a whole PC using someone elses chips when they could sell their own? Why? |
| 20:57.00 | locutus | so setting bash to be your login shell, will break Maemo? |
| 20:57.06 | Macer | hm. i'm downloading reaper |
| 20:57.10 | Macer | hope the show doesn't suck |
| 20:57.12 | Macer | sounds interesting |
| 20:59.14 | RST38h | milhouse: Intel does not manufacture PCs |
| 20:59.45 | milhouse | OK, it designs them - using it's kit. |
| 20:59.57 | RST38h | milhouse: What you are looking at is a reference design |
| 21:00.12 | RST38h | And I am not even sure how it compares with OLPC in terms of market penetration |
| 21:00.29 | milhouse | Dunno about penetration, but they're both going for the same market |
| 21:00.48 | milhouse | And basically fcking each other over - so nobody wins |
| 21:00.57 | milhouse | least of all the customers |
| 21:01.01 | RST38h | not sure if there IS market, given how chip generic desktops are |
| 21:01.05 | RST38h | s/chip/cheap |
| 21:01.28 | milhouse | I think some of the benefits of OLPC were in the software stack |
| 21:01.56 | milhouse | Mesh networking etc. - all very do-able on consumer kit, but maybe not so easy to roll your own |
| 21:03.17 | RST38h | Ah, who needs this stuff except for a few graduate students with papers to write? |
| 21:04.03 | RST38h | In reality you have got a generic access point, some kind of an uplink (DSL or satellite) and a bunch of Windows laptops with Office. |
| 21:04.18 | woglinde | rst he |
| 21:04.30 | woglinde | seems my diploma thesis will be on this topic |
| 21:04.41 | RST38h | =) |
| 21:04.53 | woglinde | *g* |
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| 22:09.25 | lbt | Jaffa: I'm trying to prep Qt for Mer on badger and think I need debhelper or something... |
| 22:10.32 | lbt | (narrowing it down...) |
| 22:11.03 | lbt | ah, cdbs |
| 22:11.31 | lbt | to do : dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -S -sa -i |
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| 22:35.51 | lbt | bed now... g'night |
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| 22:42.48 | b-man16 | has successfully created a port of PearPC for the NITs :) |
| 22:42.51 | b-man16 | it uses x11 instead of gtk thought - mainly because it failed to build with gtk enabled |
| 22:43.08 | b-man16 | re: though |
| 22:44.08 | Macer | watching the host |
| 22:44.30 | b-man16 | ? |
| 22:44.48 | luke-jr | NITs? |
| 22:44.52 | luke-jr | what good is PearPC? |
| 22:45.13 | locutus | hahaha |
| 22:45.19 | locutus | imagine booting OSX with that :) |
| 22:45.24 | locutus | it'll only take what, 3 days to boot? ;-) |
| 22:45.25 | b-man16 | it is an experiment |
| 22:45.30 | b-man16 | lol |
| 22:45.57 | Macer | wtf is pearpc? |
| 22:46.07 | luke-jr | PPC emu |
| 22:46.11 | Macer | omg |
| 22:46.17 | b-man16 | lol |
| 22:46.20 | Macer | that sounds horrible |
| 22:46.39 | b-man16 | like i said, it is an experiment XD |
| 22:48.00 | b-man16 | was allrety successful in emulating NITdroid on his N800 ;) |
| 22:48.07 | luke-jr | what is NIT |
| 22:48.13 | b-man16 | grabs a screenshot |
| 22:48.32 | Macer | lol. the host is funny |
| 22:48.36 | b-man16 | internet tablet - aka n800/n810 |
| 22:48.58 | Macer | it is like korean cloverfield |
| 22:49.29 | Macer | except more of a movie |
| 22:50.06 | b-man16 | luke-jr: http://www.bman.maemobox.org/projects/ubuntu-n8x0/screenshots/gallery.html |
| 22:50.09 | luke-jr | I like the term Nseries more ;) |
| 22:50.21 | luke-jr | b-man16: eww, GNOME |
| 22:50.25 | b-man16 | lol |
| 22:50.40 | b-man16 | it runs fine :P |
| 22:50.48 | luke-jr | GNOME doesn't run fine on *anything* |
| 22:51.51 | b-man16 | prefers Gnome over KDE or XFCE |
| 22:52.27 | b-man16 | and i don't care about your opinion XD |
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| 23:49.12 | Shadow__X1 | hey what cellphone is close to a n810 |
| 23:50.03 | ShadowJK | heh |
| 23:50.05 | ShadowJK | none? |
| 23:52.19 | b-man16 | it's been very quite here lately :P |
| 23:54.05 | Shadow__X1 | hmm |
| 23:54.11 | Shadow__X1 | i was looking at the g1 |
| 23:54.19 | Shadow__X1 | untill i saw how much it would be monthly |
| 23:54.23 | Shadow__X1 | that hurts |
| 23:54.31 | Shadow__X1 | i want a smart phone and i hate windows |
| 23:54.36 | Shadow__X1 | dont have much options left |
| 23:54.48 | Shadow__X1 | and i am not to thrilled about blackberry |
| 23:57.11 | Macer | get an android phone |
| 23:57.37 | Macer | i have a g1 its 90/month |
| 23:58.06 | Shadow__X1 | yeah i looked at the my faves 300 minutes a month with unlim web its 75 a month |
| 23:58.10 | Macer | all other "smartphones" will cost just as much with any other carrier |
| 23:58.11 | Shadow__X1 | thats alot |
| 23:58.38 | Shadow__X1 | eh not really if i stay with vzw i get a 50% discount |
| 23:58.47 | Shadow__X1 | just trying to find phones that i would like |
| 23:58.51 | Macer | att's unlimited plans were 120/month |
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| 23:59.51 | Shadow__X1 | how is android btw |
