| 00:00.13 | pupnik_ | oh cool i missed the blade runner game entirely in 1997... |
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| 00:50.39 | Macer | hello |
| 00:56.44 | lcuk | hi Macer \o |
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| 01:08.10 | ciroip | lcuk: still awake?? |
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| 01:11.16 | Macer | hi lcuk |
| 01:11.26 | Macer | hope sts gets the n800 soon heh |
| 01:12.01 | lcuk | heh, at least the delivery folks dont have to rely on its gps ;) |
| 01:12.12 | Macer | that way when i replace it with an n810... mer will be top notch |
| 01:12.14 | GeneralAntilles | The N800 doesn't have GPS. |
| 01:12.26 | lcuk | thats my point ;) |
| 01:12.32 | lcuk | if it was an 810 we could make an excuse |
| 01:12.44 | GeneralAntilles | Hilarious |
| 01:12.51 | Macer | GeneralAntilles: you can hook it up to an ext one ;) |
| 01:12.59 | lcuk | gives gan a <sarcasm> tag |
| 01:13.14 | GeneralAntilles | Macer, yes, I have several i-blues |
| 01:13.20 | Macer | i used to hook it up to my n95 |
| 01:14.32 | lcuk | pokes ciroip |
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| 01:37.40 | luke-jr | I am seriously planning to switch to Gentoo on my N810 |
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| 01:45.38 | GeneralAntilles | Silliness |
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| 01:54.08 | crazy_imp | any ideas why the browser stopped working after some days? |
| 01:54.40 | crazy_imp | it doesn't even display the start page anymore |
| 02:08.11 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:31.20 | b-man | ~ping |
| 02:31.21 | infobot | ~pong |
| 02:41.40 | johnx | has no luck with his N800 and his t-mobile USA SE tm506 |
| 02:42.08 | johnx | hey b-man :) |
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| 02:42.33 | b-man | hello, johnx :) |
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| 02:44.52 | b-man | was allmost successful in emulating Darwin on his N800 using qemu |
| 02:45.46 | johnx | O_o |
| 02:45.57 | b-man | XD |
| 02:46.25 | b-man | loves qemu |
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| 02:47.40 | b-man | i also have android, FreeBSD, and FreeDOS running :) |
| 02:48.16 | b-man | starts uploading screenshots |
| 02:48.29 | johnx | shakes his head |
| 02:48.33 | johnx | just ... wow |
| 02:48.45 | johnx | congrats, I guess :) |
| 02:49.00 | b-man | -> freedos http://www.bman.maemobox.org/projects/mer/screenshots/screenshot00.png |
| 02:49.54 | b-man | -> openbsd ttp://www.bman.maemobox.org/projects/mer/screenshots/screenshot01.png |
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| 02:52.38 | johnx | is that arm freebsd or x86 freebsd? |
| 02:52.51 | b-man | x86 |
| 02:53.03 | b-man | on arm |
| 02:53.41 | b-man | aka, it's running on my tablet with qemu ;) |
| 02:54.15 | johnx | well, yeah, but arm openbsd on qemu would probably be (potentially) faster then x86 openbsd on qemu |
| 02:54.56 | johnx | xen or kvm would be cool too |
| 02:55.11 | johnx | and RST38h would finally get freebsd like he's always wanted :> |
| 02:55.23 | b-man | :) |
| 03:00.56 | b-man | 's connection is being annoying slow XP |
| 03:04.52 | b-man | Android omap2 emulation > http://www.bman.maemobox.org/projects/mer/screenshots/screenshot02.png |
| 03:05.27 | b-man | (NITdroid) ;) |
| 03:05.49 | b-man | splash > http://www.bman.maemobox.org/projects/mer/screenshots/screenshot03.png |
| 03:06.43 | johnx | so that's arm-on-arm? |
| 03:06.50 | b-man | yes |
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| 03:08.11 | b-man | but it's a lot safer than installing NITdroid directly on my tablet ;) |
| 03:08.32 | lcuk | gnite /1 |
| 03:08.42 | lcuk | o/ even lol |
| 03:08.53 | b-man | heh |
| 03:10.29 | b-man | wonders where xnt is.. |
| 03:10.37 | b-man | ~seen xnt |
| 03:10.38 | infobot | xnt <n=xnt@pool-96-232-136-40.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 18d 2h 52m 4s ago, saying: 'this thing won't boot off of my usb :P'. |
| 03:11.17 | b-man | hmm, been gone for quite a while :P |
| 03:12.13 | johnx | anyways, back on later |
| 03:15.46 | b-man | my 4½ month old ubuntu install is still working, suprisingly |
| 03:16.11 | b-man | dispite all of the abuse it's taken |
| 03:19.39 | fireun | it likes abuse |
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| 03:19.50 | fireun | what it doesnt like, is closed video drivers |
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| 03:19.58 | b-man | hehe |
| 03:21.00 | fireun | serious, I finally get half way decent video playback, and now the laptop hangs on suspend |
| 03:21.13 | fireun | so frustrating |
| 03:21.27 | fireun | one step forward, two steps back = linux littany |
| 03:21.46 | b-man | hmm |
| 03:21.53 | b-man | is booting ubuntu on his n800 XD |
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| 03:22.44 | b-man | with software renderd OpenGL |
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| 03:24.27 | b-man | notices sisto joined #mac XD |
| 03:25.08 | sisto | sometimes joins #windows too :P |
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| 05:53.08 | lakin | I've got an SDL program running on the n810. The program is a C++ implementation of the logo on http://www.structuredabstraction.com/. It only updates the rect that contains each ball on each frame. But there is severe tearing when running it on the n810 - Is there any way to wait for a v-sync to minimize tearing? |
| 05:53.19 | lakin | Or any other ways of minimizing this tearing? |
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| 06:33.32 | thux | morning |
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| 06:42.56 | Macer | the day the earth stood still is interesting |
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| 06:50.45 | aquatix | morning all |
| 06:52.22 | thux | after i have to close browser and browserd from load applet, browser doesn't open any page just say 'updating'? after reboot it works |
| 06:53.20 | thux | do browser need some service to restart? |
| 06:53.24 | aquatix | thux: you would have to start the browserd from command line again |
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| 06:53.29 | aquatix | thux: yeah |
| 06:53.38 | thux | ok thanks |
| 06:53.40 | aquatix | sec |
| 06:54.38 | aquatix | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:54.51 | thux | thanks |
| 06:54.53 | aquatix | so, if you have killed it, do as root: |
| 06:54.56 | aquatix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:24.20 | Meiz_n810 | morning |
| 07:24.51 | Meiz_n810 | what does Retu ASIC chip do? |
| 07:27.42 | thux | morning Meiz_n810 |
| 07:28.32 | thux | retu is flintstones fred in finnish ain't it :) |
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| 08:09.05 | RST38h | yawns |
| 08:12.05 | aquatix | hands RST38h a nice cup of coffee |
| 08:16.26 | RST38h | just had a cup of mushroom soup |
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| 08:35.43 | crazy_imp | aquatix: thanks (and thux for repeating my question :) |
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| 08:59.12 | aquatix | crazy_imp: heh :) |
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| 09:08.38 | RST38h | awfully quiet here today |
| 09:09.29 | aquatix | yep |
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| 09:25.37 | RST38h | Zimbabwe abandoned its national currency at 10E14-a-buill =) |
| 09:25.46 | RST38h | s/buill/bill |
| 09:26.10 | aquatix | heh |
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| 09:40.08 | wazd | Hello maemo! |
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| 09:41.51 | Stskeeps | hello wazd |
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| 09:47.21 | RST38h | Hello wazd! |
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| 10:00.40 | LopLiii | hi , my n810 is restarting over and over only with nokia logo, cannot be flashed with error "Sending request 0x42 failed: Connection timed out" .... help .... |
| 10:03.52 | `0660 | take the battery out, put it back in and let it charge for hours before trying to start it |
| 10:04.07 | `0660 | i think that should help |
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| 10:30.26 | timeless | hello world |
| 10:30.31 | timeless | can someone talk me through lp: |
| 10:32.10 | Stskeeps | launchpad? |
| 10:32.19 | Stskeeps | had a good easter? |
| 10:32.28 | timeless | you mean season when nothing is open? |
| 10:32.38 | Stskeeps | yeah ;) |
| 10:32.48 | Stskeeps | the dorm has a shop that has been open all days, so that's neat :P |
| 10:32.53 | timeless | the perforated cardboard is crunchy as usual |
| 10:33.01 | timeless | waits for people to google that |
| 10:33.53 | Stskeeps | anyway, lp? |
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| 11:22.15 | Stskeeps | right, l10n in maemo is just insane |
| 11:26.12 | LopLiii | hi again, my n810 is restarting over and over only with nokia logo, cannot be flashed with error "Sending request 0x42 failed: Connection timed out" ....... |
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| 11:28.03 | Stskeeps | and you're running the flasher as root? |
| 11:28.34 | Stskeeps | and following instructions on |
| 11:28.36 | Stskeeps | ~flashing |
| 11:28.37 | infobot | somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 11:35.39 | LopLiii | yes as root, using wiki.maemo guides ... |
| 11:36.02 | Stskeeps | nokia cabling and holding down key and such? |
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| 11:45.52 | lcuk | mornin maemo \0 |
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| 12:02.47 | RST38h | morning lcuk |
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| 12:08.08 | lcuk | hiya RST38h |
| 12:11.00 | lcuk | how in the hell did it get to april already! |
| 12:11.11 | thux | what quality sound chip is in n800? comparing mp3 players or ipod |
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| 12:12.31 | aquatix | it's ok |
| 12:13.01 | aquatix | not sure about how it holds up to quality media players |
| 12:13.20 | aquatix | but i guess it's at least on par with the latest ipods :) |
| 12:13.36 | lcuk | dunno thux, if it doesnt you can whack em round the head with it |
| 12:13.52 | thux | then i try to plug it in some speakers |
| 12:14.23 | lcuk | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12520 |
| 12:14.27 | lcuk | that might help though |
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| 12:17.09 | thux | thanx |
| 12:20.12 | lcuk | did anybody ever diagnose the "battery dies for no reason" issue |
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| 14:21.47 | jaska | argh, stupid windows flasher, and my only linux laptop broke |
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| 14:23.19 | jaska | yay, cursing always helps, this time it actually started flashing |
| 14:24.48 | lcuk | cannot flash his n800 :( |
| 14:25.12 | jaska | ssu didnt work for me as i stripped out the preinstalled docs package :) |
| 14:25.21 | jaska | guess i might as well delete the files next time so it'll proceed |
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| 14:28.52 | jaska | there went 100d+ uptime |
| 14:30.01 | Stskeeps | of tablet? impressive :p |
| 14:30.09 | jaska | yup :) |
| 14:30.17 | RST38h | ! |
| 14:30.24 | RST38h | Moo Sts |
| 14:30.26 | jaska | it serves as my in-house ssh terminal most of the time so it didnt have a chance to crash or anything |
| 14:30.27 | Stskeeps | moo RST38h |
| 14:30.50 | RST38h | Sts: Ever installed MeR on a WinCE hardware like that dreaded Glofish phone? |
| 14:31.45 | Stskeeps | RST38h: well, no, but it looks like it has a linux kernel for it |
| 14:32.12 | Stskeeps | checks chip |
| 14:32.47 | Stskeeps | it has Haret support, at least |
| 14:33.13 | RST38h | Cool, let me tell that to the poor soul who has got one of these |
| 14:35.20 | RST38h | Poor guy still thinks he can live with it, but it is temporary |
| 14:35.47 | Stskeeps | it's armv4, so it would probably run same sw as openmoko |
| 14:36.10 | Stskeeps | armv4t, that is |
| 14:36.25 | lopz | hola |
| 14:36.51 | Stskeeps | RST38h: when we get the openmoko port going, it should work for that thing too |
| 14:36.56 | RST38h | As soon as he comes to conclusion that his $200 are irrevercibly lost, you may get another guinea pig to experiment on :) |
| 14:37.56 | Stskeeps | it just really has to be 640x480 though |
| 14:38.16 | Stskeeps | (not sure what model he has) |
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| 14:39.12 | Stskeeps | how 480x640 looks atm: http://trac.tspre.org/smarty/screenshot06.png |
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| 14:43.33 | RST38h | Sts: It has got 640x480 |
| 14:43.38 | Stskeeps | well then |
| 14:44.08 | Stskeeps | then it should be possible, but with the debian-armel port |
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| 14:49.11 | lcuk | question, i have a calendar display. it has a set of icons along the side, one of them (the up arrow currently) should show an icon for "TODAY" when clicked the calendar should return to show today like it does when it starts |
| 14:49.13 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090413_153415.lib.scr.png |
| 14:49.16 | lcuk | any ideas |
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| 14:51.00 | RST38h | What is the question though? |
| 14:51.33 | lcuk | what kind of icon |
| 14:51.42 | lcuk | im used to just writing the word- icons are new to me |
| 14:52.50 | RST38h | Ah |
| 14:53.23 | RST38h | Use an alarm clock |
| 14:53.46 | RST38h | And do ask wazd for icons, he is much better at them than any of us |
| 14:54.24 | lcuk | yeah i know :) im just thinking out loud, im feeling better about having toolbars |
| 14:54.32 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090412_170810.lib.scr.png |
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| 14:56.58 | RST38h | lcuk: this will win from a few changes |
| 14:57.17 | lcuk | what will? |
| 14:58.11 | RST38h | lcuk: 1. put toolbar on the left, like in the previous image 2. make tree level shift smaller to save space 3. use different colors for odd and even rows in the list |
| 14:58.36 | lcuk | oh that, yeah it was just a quick list to show zach some aspects of the cell structure |
| 14:58.40 | lcuk | and how to parse it |
| 14:58.49 | lcuk | many more changes are coming with it |
| 14:59.00 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090412_142100.lib.scr.png |
| 14:59.53 | lcuk | that one was with icons im not allowed to use ;) |
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| 15:03.18 | lcuk | bbl anyway |
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| 15:07.14 | RST38h | lcuk: What is wrong with these icons? |
| 15:07.22 | RST38h | look generic |
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| 15:07.55 | qwerty12 | fremantle icons, non-free |
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| 15:14.06 | RST38h | qwerty: Doesn't Diablo have a similar set of stock icons? |
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| 15:14.17 | RST38h | even remembers them being open source |
| 15:14.25 | Stskeeps | there's some fugly ones :P |
| 15:14.29 | qwerty12 | The SDK ones are CC licensed but they really look fugly :( |
| 15:14.39 | qwerty12 | The ones used on device aren't free :/ |
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| 15:18.18 | RST38h | Oh |
| 15:18.35 | RST38h | how about finding some decent ones on wikipedia? |
| 15:18.41 | RST38h | BTW, a classic: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-540 |
| 15:25.19 | jaska | carnivorous inflatable doll! |
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| 15:25.41 | qwerty12 | lol |
| 15:26.08 | qwerty12 | remembers an old "only fools and horses episode" where the dolls literally did blow up... |
| 15:26.48 | RST38h | qwerty: also, see "Wilt" by Tom Sharpe |
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| 15:28.04 | qwerty12 | heh |
| 15:31.53 | Blafasel | RST38h: I don't get that.. Is this about a TV series or something? The wiki is - confusing. |
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| 15:35.10 | RST38h | Blafasel: hehe |
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| 16:01.21 | Prozak | hello everbody |
| 16:03.16 | Jaffa | lo |
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| 16:13.55 | Prozak | so, i was hoping an experienced maemo user could give me some pointers about Nokia's N8XX gadgets... to see if i should buy either the 800 the 810 or wait for the new one... anyone available? |
| 16:14.45 | Jaffa | New one should be announced properly RSN - but there's no real information on when it'll be available (hope is summer) |
| 16:14.54 | Jaffa | But it'll be pricier than an N810 |
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| 16:16.48 | Prozak | but talking about capabilities, basically what i want is to use it as my PDA, stick my current GSM chip and use it as 3g bluetooth modem for my lap and .. u know... mobile computing.. hehe... |
| 16:17.08 | Stskeeps | ah, it doesn't have 3g inside |
| 16:17.25 | Stskeeps | then wait for next one, it does |
| 16:17.27 | Jaffa | If you want to stick a SIM inside it - you can't use an N810 as it has no GSM/GPRS/UMTS hardware |
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| 16:17.54 | Prozak | whaaat rly? |
| 16:17.57 | Prozak | woa that sucks |
| 16:18.00 | Stskeeps | not really |
| 16:18.06 | Stskeeps | they're internet tablets |
| 16:18.07 | Prozak | damn i will have to wait :( |
| 16:18.19 | Prozak | so that means... wifi only? |
| 16:18.31 | Jaffa | And Bluetooth to connect to a phone |
| 16:18.50 | Stskeeps | or usbnet if you hax it |
| 16:18.56 | Prozak | damn |
| 16:19.04 | slonopotamus | hehe |
| 16:19.09 | Prozak | so.. i'll have to wait |
| 16:19.17 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: http://trac.tspre.org/qwerty12/blueman/bl3.png |
| 16:19.37 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: nice |
| 16:19.47 | Prozak | so im guessing that maemo only runs in nokia products |
| 16:20.00 | Stskeeps | maemo does, but the platform (hildon, etc) runs on other devices too |
| 16:20.19 | slonopotamus | it's pda, man :) no stinky communicator/smartphone/whatever |
| 16:20.29 | Prozak | anyone knows like a cool N8XX killer? |
| 16:20.42 | Stskeeps | rx-51, hopefully, the next tablet ;) |
| 16:20.49 | slonopotamus | Prozak, there isn't any |
| 16:21.21 | Prozak | agh.. now i want the summer to come... i need my little hitchiker guide xD |
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| 16:22.18 | Prozak | thanks for the pointers guys |
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| 16:24.28 | slonopotamus | 's wife still uses good old palm Vx to read books. it still doesn't have any alternatives, e-ink readers are too expensive |
| 16:24.59 | aquatix | likes his n810 in portrait mode with fbreader |
| 16:25.03 | aquatix | white font on black bg |
| 16:25.09 | aquatix | afk; supper |
| 16:26.18 | slonopotamus | aquatix, too short battery life |
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| 16:46.39 | pupnik | a translator app on the tablet might sell a few copies |
| 16:47.04 | Stskeeps | stardict? :P |
| 16:47.56 | Macer | indiana jones and the kingdom of the crystal skull was so absolutely horrible |
| 16:48.33 | Stskeeps | south park had it right, eh? |
| 16:48.48 | Macer | the one where they treated it like a rape victim? :) |
| 16:48.53 | Stskeeps | yup |
| 16:49.01 | Macer | i died laughing when they ran in on them raping a stormtrooper |
| 16:49.12 | Stskeeps | not that there is anything funny about rape, but yes, they raped that movie :P |
| 16:49.18 | Macer | but yeah.. it was just a real real real bad movie |
| 16:49.50 | Macer | they tried to go too retro with it.. try to give it the feel of a 1980s hollywood set movie |
| 16:50.10 | Macer | not to mention the story itself sucked :) as did the screenplay |
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| 16:51.32 | Macer | and i made the mistake of giving it the benefit of the doubt |
| 16:51.44 | Macer | but no.. the rumors are true.. it sucks :) |
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| 18:11.30 | lcuk | goes to the bar |
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| 18:41.39 | Jaffa | ragnar's hinting we "don't need to wait too long anymore. :)" [about product announcements] |
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| 18:43.24 | lcuk | o_O |
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| 18:52.39 | lcuk | Jaffa, so whats the betting on an announcement and then how long after? |
| 18:53.43 | Stskeeps | no, the discussion is "will rx-51 be out before openpandora" |
| 18:53.43 | Stskeeps | :p |
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| 18:55.37 | lcuk | lol Stskeeps |
| 18:55.50 | lcuk | have you got onto the dev program of pandora or havent you tried |
| 18:55.50 | Stskeeps | i'm betting on rx-51 first |
| 18:56.22 | ShadowJK | wants a touchbook :/ |
| 18:57.08 | Stskeeps | lcuk: too much in my hands, and i'm waiting for a touchbook |
| 18:58.07 | ShadowJK | are you going to buy one or are you getting one for free? :P |
| 18:58.12 | Stskeeps | no clue. |
| 18:58.36 | Stskeeps | my bet is people will port it solely based on the beagleboard port though |
| 18:58.44 | ShadowJK | iow you're waiting like the rest of us mortals :) |
| 18:59.08 | Stskeeps | yup |
| 18:59.37 | Stskeeps | i just hope macer's N800 make it to .dk before my poland trip |
| 18:59.37 | Jaffa | wants a Touchbook and an RX-x1. Would bet on a next-gen Maemo device announcement followed by shipping within 6 weeks |
| 18:59.49 | Stskeeps | i will be bored to death otherwise |
| 18:59.51 | Jaffa | (i.e. 6 weeks from announcement to shipping) |
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| 19:00.14 | pupnik | i'm stunned at how little has been done with games since i quit |
| 19:00.28 | Stskeeps | pupnik: should get started on Mer games :P |
| 19:00.34 | Stskeeps | much saner to port |
| 19:00.49 | lcuk | pupnik, speak to joyrider |
| 19:00.56 | lcuk | hes come over from the gp2x community |
| 19:01.12 | pupnik | i don't think i can make money with computers. moving on. |
| 19:01.20 | ShadowJK | I'll bet on announcement mid-may |
| 19:01.44 | Stskeeps | pupnik: computer work income is just bribes from people not understanding your software, in order to get you to help them |
| 19:01.47 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:02.08 | lcuk | ShadowJK, problem is i cant think of anything happening around that time where a group of people would all be together |
| 19:02.14 | pupnik | well that's not quite true. i don't think i can make money releasing software. i can* program things though. |
| 19:02.20 | pupnik | and those things can be sold soon |
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| 19:02.37 | Jaffa | lcuk: indeed - I can't think of anything big (not done any research) before OSiM/summit :-/ |
| 19:02.42 | ShadowJK | lcuk: i can however think of many work-impeding events before and after |
| 19:02.46 | pupnik | tah tah |
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| 19:03.03 | lcuk | maybe late may perhaps |
| 19:03.32 | Stskeeps | i think fremantle beta latest end of may |
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| 19:04.16 | ShadowJK | But I guess it depends if nokia has managed to get rid of the traditional .fi boozing holidays and the "put everything on hold, it's /warm/ outside for a change!"-season |
| 19:04.29 | lcuk | heh |
| 19:04.31 | lcuk | you have a point |
| 19:04.59 | RST38h | moos |
| 19:05.06 | lcuk | if they are anything like us brits, first spot of sunshine and the motorways/beaches are packed and bbq smells heavy in the air |
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| 19:06.54 | Jaffa | ShadowJK: actually, if previous experience is to go on they'll release the Maemo 5 lead device and *then* go on holiday whilst we pick up the pieces ;-) |
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| 19:07.04 | Jaffa | So, we have a hard deadline now :) |
| 19:07.48 | lcuk | its amazing what internet rumours can do lol |
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| 21:35.04 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, that's going to be more fun than usual this time around, I think. |
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| 21:52.20 | ShadowJK | It will be terrible if they announce more than one device |
| 21:52.39 | ShadowJK | or worse, several devices with a few months in between |
| 21:53.00 | lbt | or a pink device |
| 21:53.07 | lbt | that'd be bad |
| 21:53.33 | lcuk | tracy would like the pink device |
| 21:53.42 | lcuk | ShadowJK, why would it be terrible though? |
| 21:53.43 | lbt | told you that'd be bad |
| 21:53.55 | lbt | we'd all be bankrupt |
| 21:54.00 | lbt | and our GFs would nag us |
| 21:54.08 | lbt | (never mind the wife!) |
| 21:54.09 | lcuk | shoe shaped nokia lol |
| 21:54.18 | lcuk | haha |
| 21:54.28 | jaska | rubber boot? |
| 21:54.49 | lbt | thinks jaska has a different kind of GF |
| 21:55.02 | jaska | ah, just different kind of nokia |
| 21:55.13 | lcuk | i really like this sidebar! |
| 21:55.22 | lbt | you mean #maemo? |
| 21:55.27 | ShadowJK | lcuk: I'm fearful of the usual nokia style of having a zillion devices in many formfactor, hw internals and software/feature combinations, but still none where everything you want is found in any of the devices |
| 21:56.07 | lbt | how much of the design would have been finalised pre-crunch? |
| 21:56.25 | ShadowJK | eh probably all of it |
| 21:56.57 | lcuk | ShadowJK, i would prefer multiple designs personally, its an aspect of linux that has fascinated me |
| 21:57.11 | GeneralAntilles | That hardly has anything to do with Linux |
| 21:57.12 | lcuk | getting the same code working well on different platforms |
| 21:57.28 | lcuk | its got everything to do with linux actually |
| 21:57.28 | GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, that's because you want things that can't exist. ;) |
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| 21:58.15 | GeneralAntilles | and your perfect device will be completely different from somebody else's perfect device. |
| 21:58.31 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, open code allows people to try to take your code and make it work elsewhere - we wouldnt have most of maemo itself if that were false |
| 21:58.40 | GeneralAntilles | Thus, multiple devices each catering to a different use case. |
| 21:59.09 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, you can also make your own closed code work elsewhere. |
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| 21:59.15 | ShadowJK | no I mean things they do, or did, on the phone side. Like, want wlan and integrated voip? Then you're a business user and the E-series is for you, and of course as a business user you can't have music player keys or radio |
| 21:59.23 | GeneralAntilles | Besides, multiple devices aint going to mean multiple CPU archs. |
| 21:59.49 | lcuk | how do you know? mer is targetted at pretty much anything with a cpu |
| 21:59.50 | GeneralAntilles | What, the N95 doesn't do VoIP? |
| 21:59.55 | lcuk | and qt is similar |
| 22:00.05 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia isn't going to ship an x86 and an ARM device. |
| 22:00.29 | GeneralAntilles | and ARM-to-ARM is generally ABI compatible within the same generation. |
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| 22:01.01 | ShadowJK | N95 probably does :) |
| 22:01.10 | qwerty12_N801 | it's a conspiracy because the autobuilder builds for both arm & x86! :p |
| 22:01.14 | lcuk | who said anything about nokia? i was talking about maemo :) |
| 22:01.38 | GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, so, what's your point? |
| 22:01.59 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, Maemo isn't going to be released on non-Nokia devices anytime soon. |
| 22:03.45 | ShadowJK | I want one fullfeatured device, not a whole series of devices castrated in differentiating and interesting ways :) |
| 22:04.09 | ShadowJK | ah well |
| 22:06.02 | GeneralAntilles | Software is another issue entirely. |
| 22:06.10 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 22:06.31 | GeneralAntilles | Using software to differentiate your products from one another is silly. |
| 22:06.43 | GeneralAntilles | But the good news is, that's not really possible on Maemo. |
| 22:06.52 | ShadowJK | sure |
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| 22:28.33 | fish_ | hi |
| 22:29.56 | lcuk | hiya fish \o |
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| 23:35.40 | l7 | ls |
| 23:38.10 | GeneralAntilles | IRC: ls: command not found |
| 23:40.03 | airtonarantes | I've just finished the instalation of maemo SDK, I got but don't understood about nokia binaries, I must to put the lline of repository when the emulator is running? |
| 23:40.11 | airtonarantes | I'm using fedora |
| 23:41.49 | airtonarantes | the nokia binaries is really necessary? |
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