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00:11.03GeneralAntillesOops
00:11.08GeneralAntillesCat wants to IRC
00:12.02LinuxCodecat wants attention ;-}
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01:07.08Macerhm. debian seems to be pretty good on the artigo
01:07.23Macerwish it was a little quicker but can't have it all i suppose :)
01:11.06robinkStskeeps: There is nothing in connectivity settings that lets you select IPv6.
01:11.44GeneralAntillesIPv6 isn't supported
01:12.52robinkGeneralAntilles: It isn't?  Why not?  I can insmod ipv6.ko and get an address from the radvd on my network.
01:13.12GeneralAntillesBecause it's not something Nokia choose to support.
01:13.19GeneralAntillesThat doesn't mean you can't get it to work
01:13.24GeneralAntillesit just means it's not supported.
01:13.29MacerFinished processing (took: 41m 41s) (total: 10h 32m 54s)
01:13.39Macerdamn i love zfs and nexenta
01:13.39robinkGeneralAntilles: Ahh.
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01:17.49Macerit unrared 70G in 41mins :)
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01:32.16robinkNeato
01:42.02Macerawesome... new popcornhour firmware is out
01:42.06Macerprobably doesn't do much
01:43.24Macerwow i am burning this C7 out heh
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01:57.20GeneralAntilleshttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maemo_(operating_system)&curid=2447506&diff=282625589&oldid=281758570
01:57.37GeneralAntillesJust so Nokians know, it's really easy to spot corporate IPs. ;)
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02:05.47LinuxCodeGeneralAntilles, may I ?
02:05.53LinuxCode"You are fired!"
02:05.58LinuxCodelol
02:06.02GeneralAntillesI'm cleaning it up
02:06.06LinuxCodehehe k
02:06.39LinuxCodeGeneralAntilles, any word yet when the N810 successor will be out ?
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02:06.45LinuxCodewasnt it next 3 months ?
02:07.11GeneralAntillesWe only have a general frame for the beta SDK
02:07.21GeneralAntillesThere have been no announcements about the future hardware
02:07.29LinuxCodeis holding off buying a new mobile phone for a Nx00 with 3g
02:07.34LinuxCodeohh i see
02:07.36LinuxCode;-|
02:07.52GeneralAntilles3 months would be my bet, anyway.
02:08.00LinuxCodeI hope so
02:08.08LinuxCodethat would fulfil all my needs
02:08.30LinuxCodeLinux compatibility, tools, utils, etc..
02:09.57Macerknow what is so great about firefly
02:10.09Macerno sounds in space heh
02:10.21Macerexcept in the movie.. that was kind of strange
02:11.14camahuetoreceives his N810 tomorrow
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05:08.48matmoearly morning dumb question: on MXR I see "2008-50" - which OS version exactly does this refer to? Eg, my N810 (Diablo) says "2008.43-7".
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05:23.14matmoTo answer my own question: latest source for the open portions of OS2008. So if I have an up to date Diablo I have 2008-50?
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07:32.18Stskeeps*yawns*
07:38.42b0unc3good morning
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07:43.54aquatixgood moaning
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07:46.51wazd_n800hello world!
07:47.33Stskeepshello wazd
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07:57.59wazd_n800woo, looks like I've missed maemo5 ui discussion thread
07:58.12Stskeepshehe
07:58.16Stskeepsit was well hidden
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08:02.52RST38hMoo STS, wazd
08:03.07RST38hLook what I've found: http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/the-dark-side-of-dubai-1664368.html
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08:15.00JaffaMorning, all
08:15.09Stskeepsmorning jaffa
08:16.22X-FadeMorning
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08:35.03wazd_n800RST38h, hola, interesting stuff)
08:35.46RST38hwazd: The article has got everything, from homeless expats to pedophilia
08:37.01RST38ha classic, by all means =)
08:37.32RST38hwazd: BTW, ATI85 1.3.1 has just got into Extras. I updated images and made it work correctly when the same model is selected from the menu.
08:40.32Stskeepsoh neat, looking at kate's presentation
08:40.43Stskeepson/off stand, face up/down, x,y,z axis accelerator meter
08:40.55RST38hSts: Have you noticed the "no more virtual keyboard" piece?
08:41.16StskeepsRST38h: no -stylus keyboard-
08:41.22Stskeepsthere's a thumb keyboard
08:41.23RST38hAh
08:41.30RST38hEven more interesting
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08:41.53RST38hBTW, S60e5 does have a stylus keyboard. Weird.
08:46.07Stskeepsit is still possible to add stylus kbd but i doubt rx-51 has a stylus
08:46.13RST38hhmmmmmmmmmm
08:46.36RST38hI am liking it less and less =(
08:46.54Stskeepswe'll see how it is eventually
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08:55.41mavhcif we wanted our screens to be covered in fingerprints we would have bought an ipod touch
08:56.02RST38hMaybe the RX-51 will have a glass screen after all...
08:56.27RST38hThe current tablets definitely *do not* encourage touching 'em with fingers
08:57.35mavhcis glass chosen because there's no plastic transparent enough?
08:57.49lcuktouches mavhc's screen
08:58.24lcukcapacitive vs resistive and a much larger cost for the capacitive so i heard
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08:58.56RST38hmavhc: glass is sturdier and easier to clean
08:59.18RST38hbut it also does not go very well with resistive screens
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09:00.36mavhcdo capacitive screens work with a metal stylus?
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09:02.05RST38hif you are holding it with your meaty fingers, they do :)
09:04.25andre___Stskeeps, I'm thinking of some kind of keyword for stuff in maemo.org bugzilla that might become (or already is) WONTFIX, but is interesting for Mer
09:04.33andre___like bug 2249 which even has a patch
09:04.36Stskeepsandre___: LETTHEPEOPLEFIXIT?
09:04.46andre___no, that's called "patch" actually :-P
09:05.04andre___isn't WONTFIX == LETTHEPEOPLEFIXIT ?
09:05.09Stskeepshehe
09:05.13RST38handre: BUGSTSKEEPS
09:05.30RST38handre: or NOTOURPROBLEM
09:05.37Stskeepsandre___: if you want you can delegate it to Mer product
09:05.44Stskeepsi'm sure we can find space in that for our kernel patches
09:05.54andre___RST38h, no, i'm talking about keywords, not statuses ;-)
09:06.09andre___Stskeeps, so prefered way is to clone some bugs?
09:06.16andre___i'm fine with that, just tell me what to do :)
09:06.30Stskeepsandre___: either that or prod me to add it to our sprints
09:07.18Stskeepsi think i'll prefer the latter really, so CC me on the bugs that should be
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09:08.32Stskeepsandre___: i find it useful since there's a huge amount of patches laying about that are useful, but i have no idea exists
09:09.45andre___Stskeeps, huge? it's only approx 27
09:09.52Stskeepswell 27 is still a lot :P
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09:11.20Garfeildhi all
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09:37.05RST38hBTW, lack of fullscreen/windowed modes and the lack of stylus keyboard mean that the developers will only have ONE screen layout to take care about
09:37.42RST38hFor better or for worse...
09:38.48JaffaRST38h: in Fremantle you mean?
09:39.03StskeepsRST38h: i think it might be a plus, yea
09:39.11qwerty12RST38h, Surely has to be better than UIQ was though: will this device have a flip, does it have a touchscreen etc
09:40.01RST38hJaffa: Yea
09:40.15RST38hqwerty: UIQ configs were a fucking shit...
09:40.29qwerty12lol
09:40.44RST38hqwerty: Not only there were multiple screen layouts that differed with phone model, but the buttons were completely different
09:41.06RST38hEach phone had a different set and usually missed at least 1/4 of the important buttons like d-pad
09:41.58RST38hSts: maybe, although being conservative I'll still miss the status bar and the task bar
09:42.02qwerty12Yeah, I don't think this enticed people to develop for it. I remember reading that some apps would crash for instance when using it with flip because the developer was aiming for the P1/M600 etc and forgot about the P990
09:42.09StskeepsRST38h: task switching wasn't shown just ye
09:42.09Stskeepst
09:42.24RST38hSts: But we already know that the task bar at the left is gone
09:50.40lcuki thought we were expected to expect multiple layouts - remember the term "lead device"
09:51.37lcukin this device with rotation we are gonna expect MORE upheavel than right now
09:52.02lcukso what theres no sidebar, we have to flip between 800*380 and 380*800 - a MUCH worse scenario
09:52.50RST38hoh, the rotation!
09:53.04lcukdoes your calculator work in landscape?
09:53.14RST38hif, of course, they are going to use it in their base official system and not just leave it as a loophole for developers who need it
09:53.19lcukhas same problem with portrait btw :)
09:53.28RST38hlcuk: it does. the image you see is actually rotated offline :)
09:53.34mavhcis these a url will all this info?
09:54.02RST38hmavhc: Yes. www.internettablettalk.com :)
09:54.06lcukRST38h, i mean does it handle both orientations dynamically?
09:54.18RST38hlcuk: No and it can't really
09:54.26RST38hlcuk: The real calcs were all portrait
09:54.33mavhcI hate forums, they're just usenet without the features
09:54.36lcuki know - your calc is a specific case, but its indicative
09:54.49RST38hmavhc: then hate and suffer! ahhahahahahahaaa!
09:54.53mavhcdamn you
09:54.56lcuki cannot use your calc because of it tho :$
09:55.11RST38hlcuk: Why?
09:55.27RST38hlcuk: You absolutely positively hate holding the tablet vertically?
09:55.42lcukcos my device sits in landscape mode - i dont pick it up to just use the calc - and i use my keyboard
09:55.56mavhcomg, the colour scheme! my eyes!
09:56.13lcukit has a stand and i use it that way, or it sits flat on my desk - my real calculator is the same
09:56.24lcuklooks over at his casio ms-8v
09:56.46RST38h"Mavhc encounters Fremantle color scene", the horror flick
09:56.55RST38hok
09:57.02mavhcthat was the itt colour scheme
09:57.16RST38hmavhc: Then consider it a prequel
09:57.21lcukRST38h, :$ could you make a skinnable landscape one
09:57.39RST38hlcuk: TI-92 is actually landscape but it runs on 68000
09:57.51RST38hand I have no 68000 core of my own
09:57.53lcuktheres even a special casio one for wazd
09:57.55lcukhttp://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q=casio%20ms-8v&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
09:58.00lcuk(guess which one!)
09:58.30RST38hlcuk: Dunno if you know, but I also develop the SlideRule and it is landscape ;)
09:59.25lcuki do indeed - the sliderule should pop out and do the graphing on your Tis ;)
09:59.53RST38hOh, Slashdot has finally gone all dailyrotten
10:00.01lcuki just need a quick calc calculator personally - the normal one is right for my needs
10:00.14RST38h"...the creators of South Park, were given a very special gift by US marines: a signed photo of Saddam Hussein. During his captivity, the marines forced Saddam to repeatedly watch the movie South Park: Bigger, Longer And Uncut, which shows him as the boyfriend of Satan. Stone said, "We're very proud of our signed Saddam picture and what it means."
10:00.28lcuk?
10:00.40StskeepsRST38h: isn't that somewhat like against the geneva convention? :P
10:00.51Stskeepsstill, saddam has an excellent role in that movie
10:00.57RST38hSts: All I know is that it is against readers' sanity =)
10:01.02lcukhang on, is that a comment?
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10:01.15lcukslashdot trolls havebeen in the gutter for eons
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10:04.19LinuxCodegarr my msynctool  wont work
10:04.27LinuxCodestomps around
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10:07.19RST38hlcuk: it is an article not a comment
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10:26.16lcukRST38h, o_O which i mustv missed it lol
10:26.40lcukLinuxCode, you will get detention if you continue stomping around
10:26.52LinuxCodelol
10:26.58LinuxCodeI almost got it back to nomral now
10:27.12LinuxCodetodo sink of member 2 of type evo2-sync had an error: Failed to open default tasks: No such calendar
10:27.15LinuxCodegetting that now
10:27.18LinuxCodesearches
10:27.45lcukLinuxCode, what language do you work in
10:27.50LinuxCode?
10:28.05LinuxCodeIm not hacking it, just configing atm
10:28.12lcukwhen you do your normal work - i know you are lookin at khertans here
10:28.41lcukdoesnt think hes ever asked
10:28.44matmohiya all. Just ran out of space installing Diablo SDK. Looking around for stuff to delete and noticed a hard link(?) to /scratchbox from /scratchbox/users/<my-acc>/scratchbox. Normal?
10:29.12lcukmatmo, ran out of space where? on your desktop/laptop?
10:29.30lcuknothing to delete inside the sdk, buy a bigger harddrive or remove your pron hidden folder
10:29.40matmolcuk: does it matter? It's a notebook.
10:30.12lcukit matters cos ive never heard of it runnin out of space lol - make more room for the sdk
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10:31.40lcukyou are space constrained on the device itself but its down to your own sorting out space wise, you are best deleting stuff from your regular install(which you should understand where space is wasted) before trying to trim the sdk(which you dont know whats needed or not)
10:33.12matmolcuk: sry, I should be clear, I'm not trying to delete anything from the SDK, just noticed that self referencing dir and have not read up on SB in a log while
10:33.20matmo(long while)
10:33.58matmobut now you mention it :-) what's "ccache"?
10:35.21RST38hmatmo: in fact there is stuff to delete
10:35.41RST38hmatmo: sdk should have installed etch toolchain for you
10:35.51RST38hmatmo: that toolchain includes the whole latex distribution, get rid of it
10:35.55RST38hfonts too
10:36.38matmoRST38h: do you refer to stuff in "devkits"?
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10:36.58RST38hAside from that, if you have got Ubuntu, Open Office, Evolution, and older kernels are obvious candidates for deletion
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10:37.09RST38hmatmo: dunno, it should be in /opt somewhere
10:37.14RST38huses scratchbox2
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10:38.03RST38hOnce you delete Open Office, Ubuntu may even let you uninstall Java =)
10:38.20lcukcrap bbl
10:38.27lcukcya in a bit lc
10:39.03LinuxCodekk
10:39.05matmoI have two drives set up, SB is on the second one, 5G, now with 525M free
10:39.57LinuxCodewhat the hell
10:40.01LinuxCodeit did sync
10:40.10LinuxCodeso why is it bitching
10:40.37RST38hmatmo: Well, I have no idea what you have on that second drive
10:40.52tank-manif you don't even have space for the sdk, how do you think you will have space to compile stuff
10:41.24RST38hmatmo: you can try doing du /second/drive/root | sort -rn |more
10:41.37matmotank-man: I did not expect it to use up all the space, guess I must have included the dbg option
10:42.10matmoRST38h: no need, I'm trawling it with kdirstat
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10:42.16Stskeepsnah, scratchbox is weird..
10:42.16Stskeeps:P
10:42.34RST38h"weird" does not even start to describe it...
10:42.51RST38hUnfortunately, SB2 is slowly heading the same way
10:43.13matmoRST38h: I take it SB2 is much easier to get along with...
10:43.30matmooh really? what's wrong with SB2? Hoping to move to it soon.
10:46.02matmoWill I get away with just rerunning the SDK install script again or do I need to clean anything out from the first attempt?
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10:53.12RST38hmatmo: SB2 is way more humane
10:53.29RST38hmatmo: But it will still take your disk space so do not get too happy too soon
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10:54.20matmoRST38h: it will be going on another machine when I use it. This one is choking as it is.
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10:55.12RST38hJust delete packages you are not using
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11:35.39lardmanmorning all
11:35.43Stskeepsmorning lardman
11:35.53lardmanqwerty12: afternoon to you though ;)
11:35.55lardmanhey Stskeeps
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11:36.38qwerty12_N800lardman: aww, you remembered ;P. afternoon :)
11:36.43lardman;)
11:37.02lardmanafternoon's when I can see the end of the day in sight!
11:37.31lardmanthat presentation of Kate's was interesting
11:39.15lcuklardman, hi, which presentation did kate do
11:39.50lardmanit's linked from itt somewhere, I don't have the link handy though
11:40.32lcukheh Stskeeps was it the one you gave me earlier - ive seen it but couldnt find any ref to kate
11:43.03lcuklardman, how long are you off for easter then - are you in at the mo
11:43.33lardmanam at work at the mo
11:43.36lardmanback on Wed
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11:48.59lcuklardman, lucky you, i get tomorrow and monday off
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11:49.25lcukreading kates presentation shows a divergence in what was said
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11:49.39lcukat the start she says desktop widgets will be in their own process
11:49.45lardmanlcuk: the wonders of working in academia ;)
11:49.56lcukthe later the references to dynamic linking (where have I heard that before)
11:50.16lardmanyeah they will all be in the same process
11:50.24lardmanbut that process is not critical to the rest of the system
11:50.34lcukyeah it never has been has it
11:50.35lardmanso yes if one crashes they all go, but the tablet doens't go down too
11:50.50lardmanit is atm, they are in hildon-desktop atm, which does everything
11:51.06lcukfurrymuff :)
11:51.35lcukmakes me :( then that applets themselves cant make use of a clutter stage
11:52.01lardmanyeah, will be interesting to know how they'll share that stuff now that people are asking for it
11:52.13lardmanshare the feature that is, not information
11:53.20lcukyeah i understand the problem quite extensively - i went through it myself when starting the library - i can see a path now that gives it for my stuff, but its gonna be hard to break opengl
11:53.27lcukunless opengl can composite opengl (H)
11:56.06lardmanAre Nokia chargers known to be a bit fragile?
11:56.30qwerty12_N800a bit?
11:56.32JaffaI've heard of it
11:56.35lardmanI think my second one has just broken, luck I've got a couple of phones and devices
11:56.51qwerty12_N800i've broken 3
11:56.52lardmanqwerty12_N800: that was typical English understatement ;)
11:57.06lardmanbring on usb-charging I say
11:57.59lardmanbut first lunch!
11:58.01lardmanbbiab
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12:02.29ShadowJKhm
12:02.37ShadowJK'd hate usb charging :(
12:02.52ShadowJKespecially the kind that refuses to charge without something "smart" on the other end of the usb cable
12:04.32lcukShadowJK, smart being 240 volts of intelligence
12:05.26ShadowJKNo I mean when the device requires a computer or similar to be on the other end and explicitly grant the device permission to charge before it starts drawing power from the usb cable
12:05.46StskeepsShadowJK: usb power supplies exist
12:05.46ShadowJKIt's a fucking headache finding an external pack that supports that, and they're expensive
12:06.08ShadowJKYes but again you have to find one that negotiates and doesn't supply power, which most of them do
12:06.15ShadowJKdoesn't just supply power*
12:06.42ShadowJKNevermind that there are several incompatible practices on how a device recognizes/detects and negotiates with the usb charger..
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12:07.05ShadowJKI like the nokia charging plug, it's easy, you just give it voltage and the device sucks up power
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12:07.34lcukthe same could occur with usb, but we would need 2 usb plugs
12:07.51lcukor you lose the benfitis, i would hate to have to unplug (for instance) my keyboard just to charge it
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12:07.57lcuknot that i use the usb
12:08.25ShadowJKOr you could just do what everyone did at first when charge through usb was "invented", charge regardless :P
12:09.28lcukhold on, cant talk must charge
12:09.46ShadowJKfreerunner has this fun thing too, if the battery is drained empty, it can't boot, so it can't negotiate charge current, so it sits sipping a very tiny current for an eternity before it starts working again
12:09.58lcukwith a phone its fine because the usb was only used relaly for computer connection
12:10.11lcukarghhhh
12:10.17lcukdo you have a freerunner
12:10.20ShadowJKno
12:10.29ShadowJKit's in their FAQ
12:10.30lcukwill have to get one
12:10.33ShadowJKdunno if it's true or not :)
12:10.43lcukit is cos the freerunner main bod said
12:10.55lcukin a big presentation i saw last night
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12:12.53ShadowJKlcuk, what did he say?
12:13.53lcuk<PROTECTED>
12:14.05lcukits a bit long, but explains lots about different issues
12:15.14ShadowJKOh I was watching that until my please-dont-kill-my-eardrums device fell apart
12:15.32ShadowJKand then I couldn't find my bag of cable ties to fix it
12:15.49VDVsxShadowJK, he freeruneer issue is true, I have one :)
12:15.53VDVsx*the
12:15.55StskeepsShadowJK: re 'freerunner has this fun thing too', there's a reason why tablets shut down
12:16.33Stskeepsthey go to a safe level
12:16.35ShadowJKIf freerunner doesn't shut down then they're a ticking timebomb
12:17.03ShadowJKBut they consume more power on boot than USB charging can provide, so it is my understanding that they refuse to boot if the safe level has been reached
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12:19.17VDVsx20 to 30 hours idle and the battery gone (but depends on the distro)
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12:29.07ShadowJKVDVsx, I'm guessing it's even worse surfing the web?
12:30.01lcukVDVsx, the most striking thing from the video presentation: WHY WASNT HE USING BLUEMAEMO FOR HIS PROJECTOR
12:30.07lcukhe had a bluetooth remote
12:30.30qwerty12_N800or remoko :>
12:30.39lcukyou know what i mea
12:30.40lcukn
12:31.30VDVsxlcuk, I presented a project at Fosdem  and I was obligated to use one of this remotes too :(
12:32.37VDVsxShadowJK, browsing is fine, but the wifi drivers are very poor
12:32.40lcukVDVsx, sad
12:33.59lcukVDVsx, about the video itself, that mustv been so difficult to get up and say, i felt for the guy
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12:34.47ShadowJKVDVsx, worse than on N8x0?
12:35.13VDVsxShadowJK, it's a good tool for hacking, but is very far away to a daily use device (phone+ internet + pim)
12:35.37lcukmost people still dont expect internet on phones ;)
12:36.30ShadowJKbah, internet has been my primary use for a phone since 2004
12:36.53ShadowJKwhen I got my first gprs-enabled phone
12:37.00lcukprimary use for me has been phones
12:37.03lcukphonecalls
12:37.18lcukand the only time i have *ever* done something other has been sitting at the barbers
12:37.31lcukfor 15 minutes every 6 months i sit and play games
12:37.43lcukive never had a need for it randomly any other time
12:38.16aquatixreads a book on his n810 when waiting at the barbers
12:38.31lcukn8x0 isnt a phone ;)  i play with mine all the time lol
12:38.56aquatixyeah, but that's just to illustrate that i don't even use it there ;)
12:39.02aquatixi use it as PIM though
12:39.16ShadowJKWhen I got N810 I considered it an upgrade in screensize for my phone :)
12:39.20VDVsxI don't use internet on the phone, because of the small screens, but if a got a phone with a bigger screen, maybe
12:39.45aquatixhas been thinking about the N97
12:39.49lcukdoesnt use internet on his tablet mostly either
12:39.52aquatixbut maybe i'll wait for another year
12:39.59Myrttiwants a N86, still
12:40.08ShadowJKis that the one with OLED?
12:40.11aquatixalso nice
12:40.21aquatixas are the E71, E75 and E55 :)
12:40.37aquatixbut maybe i wait till symbian^2
12:40.49VDVsxhave a 5800 for his master thesis research, but don't use for nothing more :P
12:40.58aquatixthat'd make me do 3 years with a smartphone
12:41.06MyrttiShadowJK: it's the one with the 8MP camera, which is the killer feature for me
12:41.07aquatixVDVsx: danm you ;)
12:41.17aquatixVDVsx: i chose the wrong research subject, clearly
12:41.23ShadowJKaren't the optics and sensorsize crap anyway?
12:41.41aquatixMyrtti: can't you better get a decent compact camera?
12:41.58aquatixlikes the Canon G10, but already has a dSLR
12:42.06Myrttiaquatix: the question isn't can I get a better decent compact camera
12:42.06ShadowJKwhat do they cost once they can talk to the outside world..
12:42.15aquatixhowever, the G10 would fit better in my pocket ;)
12:42.20Myrttithe question is, would I carry it with me everywhere
12:42.25aquatixtrue
12:42.40Myrttithat's why I love my N95 really much
12:42.43aquatixsame for me
12:42.59aquatixbut camera phone picture quality isn't that great still...
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12:43.04ShadowJKis still hoping nokia would update E70 :(
12:43.41Myrttiaquatix: it has been good enough for me since Nov 2007 :-)
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12:46.48Myrttiit's not really about the picture quality for me, it's about capturing moments
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12:51.43suihkulokkifor all in .fi: freee thursday today 18:00, american bar @ kalevankatu
12:52.14aquatixMyrtti: fair enough :)
12:52.22aquatixlikes having both ;)
12:52.41aquatixbut at this moment, i have a phone without cam, and a dSLR that's too large for my pocket
12:52.42ShadowJKShould I just assume since you didn't mention any city, that it's somewhere inside kehä-3? :-)
12:53.01aquatixso i actually almost never have a cam for `those moments'
12:53.03aquatix:(
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12:56.15Myrttihttp://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/3296132668/ or http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/3224545357/ or http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/3170746932/ or http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/2954713842/ or http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/2893825745/ :-P
12:56.22Myrttisquirrels ♥
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13:00.45aquatix:)
13:01.55aquatixand a nokia 770
13:02.02aquatixand some beautiful skies
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13:07.10svualterego ping?
13:09.43lcukMyrtti, you are a squirrel lover too!  do you prefer batter or breadcrumbs?
13:10.35lcukonly cares for red squirrels. damned greys are vermin invaders
13:11.27Myrttilcuk: we have only red ones in Finland, fortunately
13:11.33Myrttiin abundance, to boot
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13:12.19lcuk:) did you bring any over here with you?
13:12.27lcukand dont ever let a grey sneak in your luggage
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13:12.42MyrttiI think ryanscare people would have opposed to that
13:13.01lcukthey wont care as long as you pay extra
13:13.12lcukthey will just wave you through if its in a clear plastic bag
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13:15.33qwerty12_N800are drugs smuggled in like that too? :)
13:16.42lcuki always assumed drugs come via other channels.  afterall military airports exist to fly supplies back from afghanistan dont they
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14:09.14Stskeepsholy crap, http://multimedia.ekstrabladet.dk/static/eb/drfront/images/front-2-image-1152539.jpeg?0d63e6a63609d5cc869325a54155a10b - impressive the driver didn't get a single scratch
14:09.53aquatixouch
14:10.16wazdimpressive driver actually performed tht stuff :D
14:10.51aquatixmost likely just driving too fast
14:11.34wazdaquatix: nope, he did it at 5 km/h :P
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14:12.51lardmantrees: 1, Mercedes: 0
14:14.10wazdoh, btw, I got 1 bug issue in Mer from russian users
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14:15.22lardmancu later chaps
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14:21.27Corsachey cat
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14:22.09VDVsxlcuk fall a sleep in his keyboard, lol
14:22.47churlwho's the user if i wanna ssh into my tablet?
14:22.56VDVsxroot
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14:23.27churli dont recall setting a password, but i may have? :)
14:24.03Corsacuser@
14:24.49VDVsxif you installed the ssh tools you must have one
14:25.01tank-mantry all the defaults, god/love/sex/rootme/toor/emtoor
14:25.08churllol
14:26.33VDVsxchurl, did you installed openssh for e.g ?
14:26.42churllooks like the "root" program i have is one that i just type in "root" and dont give a password
14:26.52churlha, let me check if it's on there ;)
14:27.56churlVDVsx: ive got openssh/client/server
14:29.13VDVsxchurl,ok, then you have to remember the pass :)
14:29.51VDVsxtry rootme
14:30.26churlk
14:30.54wazdStskeeps: can you give me a link to the mer-artwork page please? looks like I've lost mine while reinstall(
14:31.08Stskeepswiki.maemo.org/Mer/Artwork , or mailing list?
14:31.32churlVDVsx: no luck
14:31.33churli only use one ;)
14:31.41wazdoh, no, not the artwork, page with element sizes
14:31.47churlbut root@ or user@?
14:31.47wazdsorry
14:32.09VDVsxchurl, root@192....
14:32.33churlVDVsx: thanks :)
14:33.04VDVsxchurl, worked ?
14:33.15churlno
14:33.18VDVsxlol
14:33.24churlsix666
14:33.30churl;)
14:33.37aquatixchurl: dude, why do you know my pw
14:33.52churli know how you are
14:34.01Stskeepswazd: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Desktop_layout
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14:34.17wazdStskeeps: yep, that one, thanks
14:34.36aquatixchurl: evil? and factually incorrect?
14:34.59churlaquatix: exactly
14:35.00wazdStskeeps: i'm experimenting with default Mer theme right now :)
14:35.05Stskeepsalright :)
14:35.11Stskeepsthere should be template.svg
14:40.14wazdStskeeps: why svg?
14:40.25Stskeepswazd: when working some with it, it makes a lot of sense
14:40.31Stskeepsthere's a bunch of layer information and so on
14:41.15wazdStskeeps: Photoshop can't save in .svg(
14:41.51X-Fadewazd: No, because it is a bitmap editor.
14:42.10wazdX-Fade: orly :)
14:42.18X-Fadewazd: Time to go to Inkscape ;)
14:42.29Stskeepswazd: you can also edit the png manually, or use inkscape or illustrator or whatever
14:44.21wazdI don't understand why we need vector theme)
14:44.41Stskeepswazd: when making the themes and gradients it's just nice to work with :P
14:44.54Stskeepsit's like if we had a .psd
14:45.15wazdI have a .psd :P
14:46.20Stskeepsthen you can just edit the png manually
14:46.25Stskeepswe export to the png anyway from svg
14:46.32Stskeepswe don't use svg for the actual theming build
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15:07.53lbtlcuk: rofl
15:08.05wazdStskeeps: I've tweaked zenvoid's idea: http://s51.radikal.ru/i132/0904/42/dbedb588305d.jpg
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15:10.17Stskeepswazd: i'm not sure we can do the |'s
15:10.26Stskeepsmaybe, but not sure
15:10.31Stskeepscome and talk to zenvoid about it
15:10.33wazdStskeeps: hmm, why so?
15:10.50Stskeepshe knows the tech stuff :)
15:11.08wazdStskeeps: okay
15:11.19Stskeeps(he's in #mer)
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16:09.50churli saw a video of an n800 running vmware with winCE and android.  Is that available for download?
16:10.13Stskeepsi wish
16:10.20churli figured
16:11.06churl:(
16:12.25JaffaIt'll also be very bare metal
16:13.03churli just want to run an app to watch railroad traffic that only works in windows.....
16:13.16Stskeepswince != windows though
16:13.17churldreams
16:13.28fireunthats a nightmare, that is.
16:13.32churli know, i really want it
16:13.41X-Fadechurl: vnc? :)
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16:14.37churlX-Fade: yeah, it does work ok like that, but......... im just dreaming is all....
16:14.52Stskeepsheh, i have considered putting up a winxp virtualbox instance, and then using RDP from my tablet
16:14.55fireunchurl: get another hobby
16:15.43churlbesides linux, brewing beer, trains, sewing, biking, banjo, and cooking?
16:16.22fireungrow some veggies
16:16.26churlmy new hobby is to take my medicine.
16:17.08churlfireun: we're gonna grow some hops and have some chickens at our friends house down the road, they have a back yard (in a city)
16:19.16mikkov_X-Fade: do you know if digia@web download will be fixed?
16:19.38X-Fademikkov_: They have been sending me 10 mails today orso..
16:19.58mikkov_X-Fade: so what's the problem? ;)
16:20.05X-FadeI'm trying to get the message across that they need to properly build it and generate a .changes file.
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16:20.41X-FadeBut somehow they have issues with following my suggestions and actually reading my mails ;)
16:20.52X-FadeSo I have no idea if it will ever work out.
16:21.17mikkov_I could do some consultation 100e/h :)
16:21.23X-FadeI told them 10 times that qt4.5 is not in Extras. (qt 4.4 is)
16:22.01X-FadeAnd then I had to beg them not to link to extras-devel ;)
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16:22.17mikkov_yeah qt is problematic currently
16:22.36X-FadeAntonio told me that qt4.5 will probably promoted next week.
16:23.00X-FadeIf everthing goes well.
16:23.21mikkov_then there will both qt4.4 and qt4.5 programs in extras. not good
16:23.49X-FadeWell, as long as they have specified their dependencies correctly?
16:24.23mikkov_depencies is not problem, but limitited space in out tablets
16:24.42X-FadeYeah, true.
16:24.49mikkov_try to install both qt4.4 and qt4.5 :)
16:25.48mikkov_but I think there is actually only couple of qt programs anyway. Maybe they could be "forced" to qt4.5
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16:27.21mikkov_but I really would like to try digia@web. Hopefully they get it released somehow
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16:31.57Stskeepslo slonopotamus
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16:40.28Martinatorhello, can anyone help me and give me a repository where I can find libgobject-2.0-0 and libgmodule-2.0-0? I need it for jalimo classpath.gtk installation
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16:46.13slonopotamushi, Stskeeps. how's mer going?
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16:46.33Stskeepsgoing fine - we have a developer meeting together with mozilla and maemo (i guess we're under maemo, but we're a focus area too), in end of may
16:46.43RST38h"BYD's "Mars" MID clamshell has a phone on the back, runs full Windows XP"
16:46.55StskeepsRST38h: 3 hours of idle?
16:47.21RST38hSts: Prolly less, but I guess "phone on the back" will work long after its host becomes a brick
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16:47.26StskeepsRST38h: true
16:47.46RST38hThe idea sounds so...mm...Chinese though...
16:48.00slonopotamusStskeeps, they promise to make mozilla fast? :)
16:48.05Stskeepsslonopotamus: hehe
16:48.25Stskeepsslonopotamus: http://wiki.maemo.org/MozillaMaemoDanishWeekend
16:48.35RST38hSts: What is the agenda anyway? What are these mozilla folks bringing to the summit?
16:48.54StskeepsRST38h: well, it's a hands-on thing. i dunno what fennec and mozilla are bringing
16:49.14Stskeepsi know what activity intentions people in Mer has, at least, and we try to plan in a structured manner
16:49.21RST38hSts: aha
16:49.32RST38hSts: not to have an agenda is disturbing though
16:49.35Stskeepsyeah
16:49.41Stskeepswell, it's not presentations
16:49.48Stskeepsit's coding and discussions etc
16:50.15Stskeepsand perhaps some presentations but not the major part
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16:52.48RST38hIf it is coding, then the first question is "what are you gonna be coding"? Not hacking on the fennec code base, right? =)
16:53.45Stskeepsit's Mozilla and/or Maemo, so
16:54.08Stskeepswhich means fremantle stars, Maemo community projects, Mer, etc
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16:54.33slonopotamushehe
16:55.22Stskeepsslonopotamus: no clue if you can use this, but the opensuse build people have a quite proper qemu-supported arm chroot these days (user level emulation)
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16:58.02slonopotamusStskeeps, well, qemu has it, not opensuse :)
16:58.18Stskeepsslonopotamus: they have qemu + patches, and ignore the opensuse thing
16:58.26Stskeepsbasically, i can build most stuff with just chroot
16:58.53slonopotamusgentoo people prefer hardcore crosscompiling :)
16:59.01Stskeepsk
16:59.20slonopotamusand i chose native way :)
17:00.55Stskeepsfair enough
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17:02.54lcukVDVsx, lbt : i would hazard a guess it was jacob
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17:04.22VDVsxlcuk, oh, I feared for you, I thought is was Sylar
17:04.48lbtand I was talking about itt
17:04.51lcukheh
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17:05.43lcuklbt, the jedi training program? :D
17:05.56lbtyup
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17:11.57VDVsxlcuk, jedi program ??
17:12.57lcukhttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=278604
17:14.15VDVsx:)
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17:16.19slonopotamus~ping
17:16.20infobot~pong
17:16.25sistoit's coming...
17:16.28sistohttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/09/nokia-working-on-new-mid-for-this-year-wild-qwerty-tech-for-nex/
17:17.00sisto:>
17:17.23JvAVDVsx: When I make a comment on my own proposal, do others who has commented get a notice of this?
17:17.25JaffaMuwahahaha - for free wifi on Virgin trains you just have to sit close enough to first class and restrict your computer to a specific AP's MAC address
17:17.37Stskeepshehe
17:18.43VDVsxJvA, yes, if they have your proposal updates subscribed
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17:19.08sistodropped
17:19.14sistoso it's coming
17:19.21JvAVDVsx: ok :)
17:19.48Stskeepsany GSoC news on allocations yet?
17:20.30VDVsxStskeeps, April 20
17:20.36Stskeepsk
17:23.21lbthmm my tablet had its bootmenu blatted when app-mgr crashed....
17:23.36lbtit rebooted and a red 'don't interrupt' came up
17:23.57lbtit went to 20% and then rebooted into a 'standard' initfs
17:24.41Stskeeps"don't interrupt"? O_o
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17:28.48RST38hhas now started to believe that Win7 installer requires a human sacrifice to complete
17:29.43lbtStskeeps: I didn't interrupt, I didn't even cough!
17:29.59RST38hlbt: You LOOKED at it the wrong way!
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17:30.06lbtRST38h: surely the Win7 installer requires a human sacrifice to begin?
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17:30.19Stskeepslbt: SSU breaks the initfs, yeah
17:30.23Stskeepsjust Install bootmenu again
17:30.24RST38hlbt: Apparently, not. It is sneaky in this sense.
17:30.27Stskeepsand your items will be back
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17:31.01lbtmmm - it was my custom bootmenu using bootmenu.d IIRC  - did that get integrated
17:31.08lbtIt was a long time ago!
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17:31.46Stskeepsyes
17:31.56Stskeepswell it is bootmenu.d items still yet :P
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18:06.34GeneralAntillesThe applications categories continually manage to put me in a bad mood.
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18:07.33Stskeepsmaybe the whole intent was to piss the community so much off they took things into their own hands and conquer the maemo platform? ;p
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18:11.42lbthas lost bootmenu?
18:12.18Stskeepsgrab the merinstaller and Install bootmenu, and it should be in /etc/bootmenu.d/*.item
18:12.26Stskeepsand install bootmenu will put it there
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18:12.54lbtit's like using someone elses machine - this partition is so old
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18:26.31GeneralAntillesIt'd be nice if we could just get the Talk transition over with so the conspiracy theories could end (well, or move on, anyway).
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18:27.07lbtyeah but when we own their souls it'll be too late anyhow...
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18:32.25GeneralAntillesWe need a couple major data loss bugs to get Nokia to ship an update.
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18:34.48lcukGeneralAntilles, thats actually a reasonable point lol
18:35.17tank-manabout those app categories, I saw two categories with the same name and same case, wtf
18:37.03lcuklbt, quick git thing.  i have the full git repo on libliqbase/.git    if i am in a subfolder (for instance) libliqbase/src and do git operations, do they go into the main repo as if i have called from the root
18:37.35lcukor do they just update the stuff in that one subfolder where i am
18:38.02GeneralAntillestank-man, one package was using the localizable form "user/accessories", so h-a-m localized it to "Accessories" and the other was just using "user/Accessories".
18:38.15GeneralAntillestank-man, change your locale to fr_FR or something.
18:39.00tank-mani usually just browse by "all" category
18:39.10GeneralAntillesYeah, so does everybody else
18:39.20GeneralAntillesbecause the categories and the browsing interface are shit
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18:39.29GeneralAntillesand Nokia can't be arsed to fix it.
18:39.46lcukcos you dont want to miss anything
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19:46.21lbtlcuk: yes - git always (~) operates on the main .git repo
19:48.23lcukthanks lbt i was just worried if i was 2 or 3 levels in whether i needed to rerun the commands from the base folder
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19:50.02lbtno, it's self-contained inside .git/ and that's where everything gitty lives (although it can look in each dir for control files like .gitexclude)
19:51.29lcukahhh cool, so it just walks backwards until it finds the .git thats responsible
19:55.30lbtyes
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19:59.47lbthmm bootmenu lost my entries...
19:59.59Stskeepsthey're in /etc/bootmenu.d on your original partition
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20:11.28lbthmm, I reflashed with the _rot kernel
20:11.51lbtbut I was in an alternate partition when I installed
20:11.57lbtso I guess my modules are there
20:12.23lbtso I guess I'll need to re-install the modules in the mmc before I get ext3 access...
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20:24.20tds5016hello has anyone else here dealt with gstreamer to stream a video with rtp?
20:24.36Stskeepsi have successfully done it once towards a VLC
20:24.54tds5016and if so, can someone help me read the stream in with a gstreamer pipeline?
20:24.55Stskeepsi would show you my notes but i think some bad virus rooted my pc :P
20:25.43tds5016Stskeeps:I have it working on vlc :-)
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20:26.56tds5016any idea how I can do it with gstreamer, and not the sdp file?
20:27.42tds5016I need to encode the the video as an mp4 or something else :-/.
20:30.54b-man`gives up on Plawzix XP
20:30.57b-man`i'm jumping back into Mer :)
20:31.42Stskeepsb-man`: sane decision
20:32.13b-man`XD
20:32.49b-man`no matter what i did, Plawzix would not boot
20:33.04b-man`even with an angstrom base
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20:43.56cheng_99hi, does there anyone know how to set the appear time for hildon_banner_show_animation?
20:44.57cheng_99i made a animation bar, and want to destroy it after a process finished, how can i do it?
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20:54.11lcukpasses out more easter eggs
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21:17.03GeneralAntillesWho else thinks it's rice pudding time?
21:17.19JaffaI think it's post-Heroes sleep time
21:17.36lcukme, providing you put a blob of jam in the middle
21:17.52lcukjaffa, you drunk all your milk and done some burps?
21:18.03Jaffaaye
21:18.56GeneralAntillesBleh, milk's bad.
21:19.08GeneralAntillesGotta go to the grocery store tomorrow
21:19.25GeneralAntillesAbout half the stuff on my list is buy-one-get-one-free.
21:19.50lcukBOGOF offers are evil things
21:21.07GeneralAntillesWhy?
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21:21.32lcuki always come back with stuff i never intended
21:21.40GeneralAntilleslol
21:21.45GeneralAntillesWillpower
21:21.46lcukbut i have twice as much crap!
21:21.56lcuklack of a decent shopper application
21:22.04GeneralAntillesOooh
21:22.15lcukneeds to be tied with the fridget n8x0
21:22.21lcukfridge
21:22.22qwerty12_N800gets the popcorn
21:22.26lcukand scan things
21:23.00lcukhopefully after summer everything will be together :)
21:23.07lcukis learning how to be a jedi
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21:27.29wazdgoodbye world!
21:27.34lbtslaps lcuk again
21:27.39lbtjust 'cos he needs
21:27.41lbtkarma
21:27.47lbt'cos he's on #mer
21:27.50lbtand it's not
21:27.52lbtcounted
21:27.58lcuk:D
21:28.33lbtmakes a note to put in a jedi-gesture easter egg
21:28.52JaffaIRC doesn't yet count towards karma (unless I missed a memo)
21:29.04lcuk:D heh, you know damned well i think highly of your project by the way :P it is begging for barcode goodness
21:29.06JaffaGiven my recent massive drop in karma (damn you X-Fade) I wouldn't be surprised
21:29.37lbtWHAT ... I'm outa here
21:29.39lcuk:O u lost karma?
21:30.16GeneralAntillesIt's the Jaffa deduction.
21:30.41lcukif(fruity($user)) karma-=100;
21:30.51JaffaIt's shifted again. mgedmin was above me earlier in the week at http://maemo.org/profile/list/ - but now the ordering looks familiar, just with lower scores
21:30.59JaffaOi. Less of the fruity ;-)
21:31.21GeneralAntillesMan, fanoush dropped a lot.
21:31.26lbtwhen you mouseover each of the section headings it should say what they're for
21:31.41lcukusing which voice?
21:31.53lcukPLEASE use KITT or something :D
21:32.05lcuk"micheal, you are in the tins section"
21:32.32lbt<sigh> in http://maemo.org/profile/list
21:32.36lcukhow do you mouseover?
21:32.47lcukoooh
21:32.52lcukim thinking about your shopper lol
21:32.58lbt<grin>
21:33.05lbthave you seen wazd's graphics?
21:34.08lbthttp://s47.radikal.ru/i115/0904/ad/c36726226e91.png
21:34.10lcukyeah
21:34.30lbthe's suggested lots of UI changes too... lots on the list
21:35.10lcukcool
21:36.05lbtbeen dead busy on OBS though - and then Qt kinetics for gnuton
21:36.33lcukyeah ive seen
21:36.39lcukive had a busy week as well
21:37.08lcuki got liqbase onto a git server and have been fixing up and solidyfing a lot of code
21:37.33lbtgood stuff
21:37.48lcukits also being documented :)
21:38.20lcukz4chh has set the ball rolling on this one :)
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21:39.12lcukif you get curious #liqbase will get you a login :P
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22:17.30GeneralAntillesAh, conspiracies.
22:17.50Stskeepsbacon is actually rx-51?
22:18.18lcukrx-51 contains bacon
22:18.23lcukits more like a cpu
22:18.47ds3Mmmm bacon
22:18.51GeneralAntillesTalk transition silliness.
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22:56.44tds5016can anyone tell me how to get access to the gps with python?
23:00.51ShadowJKpython2.5-gpsbt
23:01.42ShadowJKhttp://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/documentation/python_gps_examples/index.html
23:02.40tds5016ShadowJK:  thanks man!
23:02.46tds5016where can I download that library?
23:02.51tds5016or does it come iwth python?
23:03.09tds5016and will that let me get access to the on board gps?
23:03.29ShadowJKI don't think it was installed with the python-device-env thing
23:03.45ShadowJKBut if you have rootsh or openssh installed, get root and apt-get install python2.5-gpsbt
23:03.56tds5016ShadowJK:  it's not in the repos :-/.
23:04.05ShadowJKIt's not visible in application manager
23:04.15ShadowJKit's in the repos though
23:05.28tds5016sudo apt-cache search python2.5-gpsbt doesn't pull it up :-/.
23:05.53ShadowJKwhat about just gpsbt?
23:06.06tds5016that driver is there.
23:06.22ShadowJK'libgpsbt'?
23:06.33tds5016yeah, that's there.
23:06.41tds5016will that include the python bindings?
23:06.44ShadowJKno
23:07.08tds5016it says it has the newest version :-/.
23:07.56tds5016I hope it's already installed.
23:08.08tds5016I guess I COULD just run the sample code and see if it outputs it. haha.
23:08.20ShadowJKyeah or import gpsbt in a python shell...
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23:08.25tds5016wait... that is for a gps connected over bluetooth.
23:08.26tds5016haha.
23:08.34ShadowJKworks fine for internal gps
23:08.42tds5016that will pull the internal one?
23:08.55ShadowJKDescription: Library for finding paired GPS BT device and internal GPS device
23:08.55tds5016haha, too bad I never get a damned connection with it. haha.
23:08.55ShadowJK<PROTECTED>
23:09.08ShadowJKIt doesn't work indoors :)
23:09.12ShadowJKit helps to have a-gps installed
23:09.38tds5016what's a-gps?
23:10.27ShadowJKassisted gps, fetches some data from internet instead of having to wait until there's been clear satellite signal long enough to download it from the satellite
23:11.39ShadowJKbut still, it doesn't work indoors, except sometimes if you put it in a window and the window faces in the right direction :)
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23:13.02ShadowJKhm, I hope you've flashed to the diablo firmware and enabled extras repository in application manager? :)
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23:19.14tds5016hmm, gpsbt isn't found by python :-(
23:19.24tds5016I am on diabloe.
23:19.27tds5016diablo.
23:19.31tds5016and I do have extras enabled.
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23:52.14GeneralAntilleslol Beagle MID
23:52.23GeneralAntillesIt's huuuge
23:52.28GeneralAntilleshttp://linuxdevices.com/news/NS7324374331.html
23:54.19ds3:P
23:54.29ds3it was not a finished thing
23:55.02ds3some of that is not accurate
23:56.07GeneralAntillesThe Beagle's giant ass ports aren't conducive to building compact devices.
23:57.08lcukas a proof of concept though it wins hands down
23:57.23GeneralAntilles"was said to have consumed about 80 people hours."
23:57.27GeneralAntillesI want some people hours.
23:57.36lcukthey have an omap3 based tablet before nokia or pandora :P
23:57.59GeneralAntilleslcuk, Archos beat both by almost a year.
23:58.44lcukdeflated, but its not openopen is it
23:59.25GeneralAntillesYou didn't specific open.
23:59.37GeneralAntilless/specific/specify/

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