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| 01:14.38 | b-man | doesn't understand why Angstrom uses so many strange arm architectures - instead of 'package.arm.ipk' or 'package.armel.ipk' it's 'package.nokia800.ipk', 'package.armv6.ipk', 'package.armv5teb.ipk', 'package.omgta02.ipk, and 'package.arm0pl.ipk' - it's driving me nutz! >.< |
| 01:16.21 | b-man | pluse i need to define my actual cpu architecture in a config file :P |
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| 02:08.28 | ShadowJK | hm, you get the impression many things have never been tested that much... |
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| 05:43.35 | RST38h | moo all |
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| 06:46.38 | L0cutus | re |
| 06:57.27 | qgil | Stskeeps: ping |
| 06:58.54 | qgil | Stskeeps: We have some budget to sponsor key participants in the Danish Weekend. You are invited, and we will give priority to the contributors of the Mep project that you would like to work with in Copenhagen. |
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| 06:59.24 | qgil | All you will be able to request sponsorship as soon as X-Fade has fixed an annoying bug in the same registration for we used for the Maemo Summit. |
| 07:00.10 | qgil | fyi the same priority is given to the Fremantle Stars projects |
| 07:00.35 | qgil | ... and basically also to the cool apps available in Fremantle extras-devel |
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| 07:04.27 | StsN801 | qgil, sounds good:) i'm self-financing this time around and crashing at a friend of mine - i'd like to make room for other mer developers in the budget |
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| 07:13.14 | thux | StsN801: new mer installer came yesterday, does it install any diffrent mer than old one? |
| 07:13.34 | StsN801 | thux, yes, 0.11 |
| 07:13.50 | StsN801 | and fixes some bugs |
| 07:14.21 | thux | ok |
| 07:15.02 | thux | StsN801: btw does that penguinbait bootloader bother mer installing? |
| 07:16.36 | StsN801 | yeah, overwrite it with mer one and read the installation instructions. there's a part about clone to sd |
| 07:16.48 | thux | ok |
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| 07:31.41 | RST38h | EHLO |
| 07:32.00 | qwerty12 | HELO |
| 07:33.01 | RST38h | qwerty: Anyway to move input field from undeneath guessed words in Anagramarama? =) |
| 07:33.59 | qwerty12 | It was the best way I could get it to fit without making the letters any smaller. But I notice that the background image is still 800x600, I'll change that later and see what happns |
| 07:34.06 | qwerty12 | s/happns/happens/ |
| 07:35.17 | qwerty12 | But, that said, while not looking good, it doesn't deter from the playability of the game. |
| 07:35.48 | RST38h | qwerty: I guess at this point it seems better to make letters smaller =( |
| 07:36.23 | RST38h | Yea, it works, just looks a bit untidy |
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| 07:47.35 | aquatix | good moaning |
| 07:47.59 | Jaffa | Good moaning |
| 07:48.01 | Jaffa | Oh, damn - snap |
| 07:48.05 | qgil | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mozilla_Maemo_Danish_Weekend#Who_is_coming |
| 07:48.41 | aquatix | Jaffa: hm? |
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| 07:49.23 | Jaffa | suspects your "moaning" subliminally influenced me |
| 07:49.29 | aquatix | :) |
| 07:49.39 | aquatix | it's monday moaning again |
| 07:52.46 | qgil | and for those of you in Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=68342912828 |
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| 07:53.15 | suihkulokki | spambook |
| 07:54.29 | qgil | huomenta suihkulokki |
| 07:55.06 | suihkulokki | huomenta qgil :) |
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| 08:00.22 | b0unc3 | good morning |
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| 08:09.19 | wazd | hello world |
| 08:11.03 | world | wazd: hi |
| 08:11.27 | wazd | jezuschrist))) |
| 08:14.38 | Stskeeps | morning |
| 08:14.51 | X-Fade | Morning |
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| 08:21.09 | RST38h | heya wazd |
| 08:21.12 | RST38h | moo Sts |
| 08:21.32 | wazd | RST38h: Stskeeps: hello hello :) |
| 08:21.41 | wazd | X-Fade: hello |
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| 08:32.27 | Macer | hm |
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| 08:33.15 | vsr | does Maemo got a video player? |
| 08:33.33 | X-Fade | wazd: hi |
| 08:33.40 | Stskeeps | vsr: plenty |
| 08:33.55 | vsr | like |
| 08:34.03 | x29a | mplayer |
| 08:34.07 | x29a | "videplayer" |
| 08:34.16 | Jaffa | gstreamer-based Helix-based player shipped as standard, mplayer available separaterly |
| 08:34.22 | x29a | canola |
| 08:34.23 | vsr | looking for a gui player |
| 08:34.35 | vsr | maemo uses gpe right? |
| 08:34.45 | Stskeeps | nop |
| 08:34.48 | Stskeeps | maemo uses maemo :P |
| 08:35.10 | Stskeeps | x29a: you were the one that wrote Documentation/Installation weren't you? |
| 08:35.17 | Jaffa | vsr: There's one shipped, alternatively there are other front ends such as Canola, UKMP, Kagu, MediaBox |
| 08:35.45 | Jaffa | vsr: the GPE PIM suite has been ported to Maemo, but it's its own Debian-based OS using the open source Hildon libraries (based on Gtk+) |
| 08:36.18 | vsr | what is the backend for these front ends? |
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| 08:36.22 | vsr | mplayer? |
| 08:36.42 | Stskeeps | either gstreamer or mplayer |
| 08:36.54 | qwerty12 | mplayer, but canola and mediabox have the option to use the default media player backend: osso-media-server |
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| 08:37.14 | qwerty12 | Oh, yeah, mediabox also has the option of using gstreamer directly (beta iirc) |
| 08:37.47 | vsr | which one is the best, |
| 08:37.50 | vsr | ;-) |
| 08:37.54 | Stskeeps | depends on taste |
| 08:38.17 | vsr | i have mplayer as a backend |
| 08:38.26 | vsr | something which is light and fast |
| 08:38.36 | qwerty12 | mplayer for 98% of things, but the default media player backend can play some wmv's better |
| 08:38.54 | vsr | mplayer does not have a front end. i dont have a console |
| 08:39.28 | vsr | do you know some good front ends which use mplayer as the backend |
| 08:39.37 | qwerty12 | You just got a list. |
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| 08:41.26 | vsr | yeah thanks, but none of this is supported in open embedded |
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| 08:51.18 | Macer | well have to love that android txt to speech lib |
| 08:51.25 | Macer | too bad i had to buy a damn app for jabber support |
| 08:51.33 | Macer | so i can use my jabberd |
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| 08:52.50 | lcuk | qwerty12 mafw is meant to allow mplayer or gstreamer as a backend |
| 08:53.04 | qwerty12 | I'm talking about now though |
| 08:53.22 | lcuk | then it doesnt :P |
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| 08:55.18 | Jaffa | awedsxz |
| 08:55.37 | Jaffa | Doh |
| 08:55.59 | qwerty12 | That the new language you picked up after a trip in the Tardis? :) |
| 08:56.13 | Jaffa | I can speak 6 billion languages now |
| 08:56.33 | RST38h | As long as the word you speak is "Urgh"? =) |
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| 08:59.51 | aquatix | RST38h: you don't know how hard it is to pronounce that word in New New New New New New York's dialect |
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| 09:05.58 | MakeGho | This stupid n810 web browser always pops up the new window I open with "open new window". Even if I click it to background, it soon pops up again a few times. Anyone got a cure for this annoying behaviour? |
| 09:06.00 | RST38h | aquatix: that is probably they use smells to communicate there |
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| 09:06.31 | RST38h | MakeGho: Complain to generalAntilles or GAN800 - he will commiserate with you |
| 09:06.48 | RST38h | (and point to a bug report that will probably never be resolved by Nokia now) |
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| 09:09.43 | MakeGho | :/ |
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| 09:22.49 | thux | Stskeeps: does mer virtual-keyboard has locale layouts? |
| 09:26.00 | thux | tried also moblin-matchbox which does have but it got grey background where black keys are hard to see |
| 09:26.24 | Stskeeps | thux: not until someone makes it |
| 09:26.36 | thux | ok |
| 09:26.54 | Stskeeps | it shouldn't be that difficult though |
| 09:27.32 | Stskeeps | the problem is the input method goodies is closed source, but framework is open |
| 09:27.42 | thux | wonder could i change that moblin-matchbox keyboard colors? |
| 09:27.48 | Stskeeps | possible |
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| 09:28.14 | thux | ok try that |
| 09:28.40 | thux | i try that |
| 09:30.10 | Stskeeps | someone should try to take moblin-matchbox and turn it into a GTK input method or something.. |
| 09:30.13 | Stskeeps | or HIM |
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| 09:31.47 | wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, are there any candidates for mer's default mediaplayer?) |
| 09:32.01 | Stskeeps | wazd_n800: canola2? dunno |
| 09:32.10 | Stskeeps | i mean, it's OSS now |
| 09:33.10 | Stskeeps | but i guess a lightweight one would be good too |
| 09:34.13 | thux | i'm on mer now and cannot do ctrl +ad any otherway detach screen? |
| 09:34.54 | Stskeeps | thux: sorry, ctrl doesn't work in osso-xterm :( please report on http://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Mer |
| 09:35.18 | thux | ok |
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| 09:50.37 | lcuk | sappy feel good story for monday: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090406/tod-dog-overboard-found-four-months-late-37b0eca.html |
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| 09:58.41 | RST38h | lcuk: "Sophie Tucker, assumed dead, survives alone on an ocean island! News at 11!" |
| 09:59.07 | florian | good morning |
| 09:59.28 | RST38h | lcuk: "...was living off feral goats." |
| 10:00.03 | wazd_n800 | does anybody knows where pidgin installs on the tablet? |
| 10:00.29 | qwerty12 | dpkg -L pidgin? |
| 10:00.36 | RST38h | lcuk: "...she'd started eating baby feral goats." |
| 10:00.50 | RST38h | This story ends too soon, with two few details |
| 10:01.16 | RST38h | s/two/too |
| 10:01.51 | RST38h | wazd: /usr/share/pidgin if it made you install that humongous data package (it is not needed in general) |
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| 10:03.24 | wazd_n800 | RST38h, well, i've tried to fix icq problem as described on russian nit forum and I think I've epic-failed) |
| 10:04.07 | RST38h | wazd: URL? |
| 10:04.36 | wazd_n800 | now the device is loaded with crap and pidgin doesn't work at all) |
| 10:05.14 | RST38h | The best thing would be to contact nix and ask him to update the package |
| 10:05.54 | wazd_n800 | RST38h, http://n8xx.com/pda/viewtopic.php?id=2751 |
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| 10:07.09 | wazd_n800 | can I remove pidgin stuff somehow?) |
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| 10:15.37 | Myrtti | gives X-Fade a cookie |
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| 10:35.55 | RST38h | wazd: rm -rf /usr/share/pidgin does it =) |
| 10:37.23 | RST38h | wazd: To chto tam eti orly kompilyat na n8xx ya by opasalsya vot tak na ura stavit' - bo nikto ne znaet kakie u nix dependencies |
| 10:38.03 | RST38h | wazd: No libpurple podmenit' (comment #22) mozhno poprobovat' |
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| 10:50.18 | lizardo | X-Fade: hi |
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| 10:50.42 | X-Fade | lizardo: Hi |
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| 10:52.11 | lizardo | I'm trying to upload a new version of "maemo-python-env" (whose latest version was uploaded by jhs_s) to maemo extras, but it the builder simply does not start it (even when the queue is empty), then after a few hours, it fails |
| 10:52.17 | lizardo | X-Fade: ^ any ideas? |
| 10:52.36 | lizardo | X-Fade: the package is just a metapackage, so it should not take that long to build |
| 10:53.12 | X-Fade | lizardo: did you upload all needed files? |
| 10:53.37 | lizardo | X-Fade: the strange thing is that I could upload maemo-python-device-env (very similar to it) without problems |
| 10:53.57 | lizardo | X-Fade: I think so, but I will check that |
| 10:55.28 | lizardo | X-Fade: does the builder "holds" the package from building if it could not satisfy its dependencies? |
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| 10:55.31 | X-Fade | lizardo: It was rejected because the orig.tar.gz was missing? |
| 10:55.49 | lizardo | X-Fade: yeah, but I'm pretty sure it was not :) (tried twice) |
| 10:55.59 | svu__ | alterego, here? |
| 10:56.07 | X-Fade | lizardo: Is it really only 133 bytes? |
| 10:56.15 | X-Fade | lizardo: 94330d0e4c89030f87ce8f6289384aba 133 maemo-python-env_1.1.0.orig.tar.gz |
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| 10:57.53 | lizardo | X-Fade: yes: |
| 10:57.54 | lizardo | $ md5sum ../maemo-python-env_1.1.0.orig.tar.gz; du -sb ../maemo-python-env_1.1.0.orig.tar.gz |
| 10:57.55 | lizardo | 94330d0e4c89030f87ce8f6289384aba ../maemo-python-env_1.1.0.orig.tar.gz |
| 10:57.55 | lizardo | 133 ../maemo-python-env_1.1.0.orig.tar.gz |
| 10:58.50 | lizardo | X-Fade: hmmm |
| 10:58.59 | lizardo | but now looking at it, it looks strange :/ |
| 10:59.30 | lizardo | I mean, the source package was created without errors, but in fact the .tar.gz tarball looks empty |
| 10:59.59 | lizardo | X-Fade: I will verify why this happened, thanks for your help! |
| 11:00.10 | X-Fade | lizardo: Let me know what you find ;) |
| 11:01.33 | Macer | word |
| 11:01.48 | Macer | Stskeeps: going to the po to ship it today |
| 11:01.57 | Stskeeps | alright :) |
| 11:02.41 | Macer | make sure you do good things with it ;) |
| 11:02.45 | Stskeeps | of course i will |
| 11:03.21 | Macer | and now i have an excuse to get an n810 |
| 11:03.59 | Macer | haha |
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| 11:06.50 | Macer | damn n810 goes for $350 still? |
| 11:07.42 | Macer | kind of high isnt it? |
| 11:08.10 | mgedmin | well, then n900 doesn't exist yet |
| 11:08.15 | mgedmin | I imagine the price will drop then |
| 11:10.01 | svu__ | can anyone pls ping alterego, to check if he is just ignoring me? |
| 11:10.18 | Macer | amazon has n810s for 270 new |
| 11:11.26 | tank-man | didn't buy.com have n810s on sale a while back for $200 |
| 11:12.14 | lardman | morning all |
| 11:12.33 | Macer | dont know |
| 11:12.48 | qwerty12 | afternoon lardman ;) |
| 11:13.18 | Stskeeps | morning lardman |
| 11:13.25 | lardman | qwerty12: hey, I'm going with ugt |
| 11:13.33 | lardman | hi Stskeeps |
| 11:13.34 | qwerty12 | lol |
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| 11:16.47 | suihkulokki | any ssl/certificate gurus awake? |
| 11:18.01 | suihkulokki | or if anyone is able to curl/wget https://git.maemo.org/ without ssl error |
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| 11:19.27 | Stskeeps | works for me in firefox 3 |
| 11:20.26 | suihkulokki | I know |
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| 11:20.40 | Stskeeps | oh, curl |
| 11:22.21 | pyhimys | curl -k https://git.maemo.org/ |
| 11:24.00 | qgil | hi X-Fade, maybe that bug in the registration for has something to do with the "Notice" appearing at http://maemo.org/news/events/maemo_summit-001/ ¿? |
| 11:24.36 | suihkulokki | pyhimys: that's a a workaround. I'm intersted in getting it fixed. |
| 11:26.16 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: if you're still doing anything scratchbox related, you -really- want to take a look at OBS's qemu-arm patches. i just set up a binfmt_misc environment with their qemu-arm and user-level emulates without a single hiss |
| 11:27.27 | suihkulokki | Stskeeps: where are their qemu patches? |
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| 11:27.50 | Stskeeps | make a OBS account, and at https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=qemu-svn&project=openSUSE%3ATools%3ADevel , grab Debian_Etch version , and dpkg-buildpackage |
| 11:28.07 | Stskeeps | generates a static /usr/bin/qemu-arm |
| 11:28.20 | lcuk | waves o |
| 11:28.32 | Stskeeps | patches are in debian/patches |
| 11:28.41 | suihkulokki | pfft |
| 11:28.52 | Stskeeps | yeah, it's lame to have to make an account |
| 11:29.13 | suihkulokki | can't you get them online somewhere? |
| 11:29.15 | Stskeeps | sec |
| 11:30.25 | lizardo | X-Fade: I found the problem, it was a the previous version of the package in http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/source/m/maemo-python-env/ (look at its size), it should not have a .orig.tar.gz anyway (it is a native package), so I just removed it and made a .diff.gz + .tar.gz upload... let's see if it works |
| 11:31.20 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/obs-qemu/ |
| 11:31.35 | lcuk | lol stskeeps thats cheating :P |
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| 11:34.53 | Stskeeps | unleashes qt4 build on it |
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| 11:38.32 | wazd_n800 | jezus christ, why copy/paste sould be so compplicated( |
| 11:39.02 | RST38h | To force you into creating original content? =) |
| 11:39.55 | wazd_n800 | why not just open archive, copy lib, open folder and paste it |
| 11:40.42 | wazd_n800 | why should I type all that alchemy stuff into the console( |
| 11:43.17 | RST38h | That is the power of Linux! |
| 11:43.26 | wazd_n800 | pidgin still doeesn't work, even reinstalled one and I have 100 mb of junk somewhere on the device( |
| 11:43.43 | RST38h | All this typing replaces sexual life to some people, you know... |
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| 11:44.06 | RST38h | Ok, let us start with making console easy. Do you have SSH installed on the tablet already? |
| 11:45.34 | wazd_n800 | RST38h, my desktop is down right now so I have to wait untill it will fix itself) |
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| 11:47.24 | RST38h | Oh |
| 11:47.32 | Stskeeps | 'lo jeremiah_ |
| 11:47.44 | RST38h | wazd: Anyways, connecting via ssh from the desktop makes console stuff much easier |
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| 11:47.54 | suihkulokki | Stskeeps: thanks. |
| 11:47.57 | RST38h | wazd: As to the 100MB of trash, you unpacked that tar.gz, didn't you? |
| 11:48.04 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: np - i hope it comes to good use |
| 11:48.45 | jeremiah_ | Hello keeps! |
| 11:48.57 | jeremiah_ | Is that a bot you have that says 'lo? |
| 11:49.08 | jeremiah_ | Or do you always just say hello? :-) |
| 11:49.09 | RST38h | ehlo jeremiah |
| 11:49.12 | Stskeeps | jeremiah_: nop, i'm just slightly weird |
| 11:49.13 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:49.16 | jeremiah_ | helo RST38h! |
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| 11:49.31 | jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: Its not weird, is courteous. :) |
| 11:49.37 | wazd_n800 | RST38h, yep |
| 11:49.56 | RST38h | wazd: I am downloading it at the moment, once I do, will tell you what to type to wipe this stuff clean |
| 11:49.59 | jeremiah_ | BRB, making some tea. |
| 11:50.24 | wazd_n800 | RST38h, thanks a lot! |
| 11:50.55 | RST38h | wazd: you will also have to go to app manager and uninstall pidgin after you delete crap |
| 11:51.08 | RST38h | wazd: this will clean up whatever installation you had before |
| 11:52.58 | wazd_n800 | ok, looks like my desktop is totally fraked up |
| 11:53.17 | Stskeeps | time to buy a usb hub and replace it with your n800 ;) |
| 11:53.32 | RST38h | Sts: Not until Nokia fixes lagging kbd input |
| 11:53.43 | Stskeeps | RST38h: have we discovered what it is yet? |
| 11:53.53 | Stskeeps | i know HIM acts up, but rest? |
| 11:53.57 | RST38h | Sts: We have so far discovered that Nokia isn't going to fix it |
| 11:54.06 | wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, not untill PS on ARM) |
| 11:54.26 | Stskeeps | RST38h: no excuse for not trying ourselves |
| 11:54.26 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:55.27 | suihkulokki | Stskeeps: well there was only one patch not seen before |
| 11:55.46 | RST38h | Oh fucking shit... Never trust n8xx |
| 11:56.02 | mgedmin | never trust nokia to build an alarm clock |
| 11:56.21 | mgedmin | I overslept this morning's meeting because the nokia phone didn't ring |
| 11:56.23 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: k - well, it seems to run just fine so far |
| 11:56.36 | RST38h | Sts: Are we supposed to have /usr/include on tablets? |
| 11:56.37 | mgedmin | and the n810's alarm pays very close attention to "system sounds: off" or something daft like that |
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| 11:57.15 | RST38h | wazd; Ready? |
| 11:57.27 | wazd_n800 | RST38h, yep |
| 11:58.00 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: admittedly i don't know if he did it cleanly (through debian/patches) or in-code |
| 11:59.20 | wazd_n800 | btw, does anybody know any reliable network storage disks? |
| 11:59.38 | wazd_n800 | I mean "very" reliable) |
| 11:59.47 | jeremiah_ | Oh, in that case, no. |
| 12:00.02 | jeremiah_ | "very reliable" is hard to find in computing. |
| 12:00.51 | wazd_n800 | I need something to store important files there |
| 12:00.58 | RST38h | wazd: rm -rf /usr/share/sounds/purple /usr/share/purple /usr/share/pixmaps/pidgin /usr/share/applications/pidgin.desktop /usr/lib/purple-2 /usr/lib/pidgin /usr/lib/gnt /usr/lib/finch /usr/lib/libgnt* /usr/lib/libpurple* /usr/include /usr/bin/finch /usr/bin/purple-* /usr/bin/pidgin /etc/gconf/schemas/purple.schemas |
| 12:01.10 | RST38h | wazd: this should all be done with root privileges |
| 12:01.27 | Stskeeps | wazd_n800: i would use a local raid and back up online or something |
| 12:01.28 | RST38h | jeremiah: just have to know where to look |
| 12:02.31 | jeremiah_ | RST38h: Where do you suggest? |
| 12:02.33 | lizardo | X-Fade: ok, I think the problem is something else... because the package seems to be waiting forever to be selected for building (just as before), even with the builders apparently idle (the package was uploaded at 11:42 AM UTC |
| 12:02.37 | RST38h | jeremiah/Sts/mgedmin: Please, help us a little bit here: does the tablet have /usr/lib/pkgconfig /usr/share/alocal /usr/share/man directories? |
| 12:02.56 | RST38h | jeremiah: most aerospace stuff is dumb but extremely reliable |
| 12:02.58 | jeremiah_ | RST38h: I wil check. |
| 12:03.01 | qwerty12_N800 | hey jeremiah_ |
| 12:03.06 | jeremiah_ | RST38h: Ah, true I suppose. |
| 12:03.11 | RST38h | jeremiah: FreeBSD based servers are also somewhat dumb but stable like a rock |
| 12:03.13 | jeremiah_ | Hey qwerty12_N800! |
| 12:03.25 | jeremiah_ | RST38h: But they have to rely on the underlying hardware. |
| 12:03.30 | RST38h | jeremiahL It is just the consumer stuff that is unreliable |
| 12:03.34 | jeremiah_ | So no more reliable than anything else. |
| 12:03.50 | RST38h | jeremiah; Oh you can build yourself reliable hardware, all it takes is 1-2 hours of googling |
| 12:04.08 | jeremiah_ | If you want reliable, you need to double it up, whatever it is. |
| 12:04.32 | RST38h | then the element responsible for fail over mechanism breaks |
| 12:05.33 | jeremiah_ | nah, use a distributed replicated block device and you have instant clustering. |
| 12:05.52 | lcuk | multiple systems running multiple platofrms |
| 12:06.09 | lcuk | hardcore nasa style redundency |
| 12:06.35 | jeremiah_ | trivial. drbd and kvm |
| 12:06.50 | jeremiah_ | :P |
| 12:06.53 | lcuk | heh, im thinking arm and x86 ;) |
| 12:07.14 | jeremiah_ | I'm just spouting gibberish so, ignore me. :) |
| 12:08.53 | mgedmin | RST38h: n810 with latest os2008: no /usr/share/alocal; the other two exist |
| 12:09.21 | mgedmin | RST38h: but there is /usr/share/aclocal |
| 12:09.24 | liri | after retrieving some canola updates, canola didn't start which I solved by copying a plugins file from the user's directory to /usr/share... now canola2 starts but it hangs when playing a file. this is n810 |
| 12:09.26 | liri | any ideas? |
| 12:10.00 | RST38h | mgedmin: ok o all three exist? |
| 12:10.27 | jeremiah_ | I get no /usr/share/alocal on my tablet |
| 12:10.36 | jeremiah_ | n810 with latest OS |
| 12:10.46 | RST38h | Ok, so they are saved from destruction |
| 12:10.50 | RST38h | thanks |
| 12:10.54 | RST38h | wazd: Still here? |
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| 12:12.43 | RST38h | wazd: rm -rf /usr/share/man/man1/finch.1 /usr/share/man/man1/pidgin.1 /usr/share/aclocal/purple.m4 /usr/lib/pkgconfig/finch.pc /usr/lib/pkgconfig/gnt.pc /usr/lib/pkgconfig/pidgin.pc /usr/lib/pkgconfig/purple.pc |
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| 12:13.49 | RST38h | wazd: This will clean your tablet up, although pidgin messages will still stay /usr/share/locale - they are too numeroud |
| 12:13.51 | RST38h | s |
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| 12:17.03 | RST38h | To clean locale: find /usr/share/locale -name pidgin.mo -print | xargs -n 1 rm -f |
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| 12:23.31 | RST38h | You won't believe it is not april 1st: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04/06/symbian_strategy_boutique/ |
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| 12:24.16 | Stskeeps | RST38h: .. |
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| 12:25.25 | jeremiah_ | I kinda like the new symbian logo. :) |
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| 12:26.54 | qwerty12 | *That's* a logo? |
| 12:27.07 | Stskeeps | Art: anyone can do it. |
| 12:28.55 | RST38h | Was that MS Paint or did they use more advanced tools? |
| 12:29.59 | aquatix | i think they used a crayon |
| 12:30.03 | Stskeeps | they used the dead remains of a possum covered in paint |
| 12:32.52 | RST38h | They used stylus from a discarded UIQ phone. |
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| 12:34.08 | Stskeeps | RST38h: would a developer environment where you simply chroot into the target, full user level emulation be good? |
| 12:34.14 | Stskeeps | without tricks |
| 12:34.20 | Stskeeps | (for cross-compilation) |
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| 12:55.48 | RST38h | Sts: I have no idea, isn't it what SB2 does? |
| 12:56.15 | RST38h | does not really need to chroot to any special environments, a crosscompiling toolchain is ok with him |
| 12:56.34 | Stskeeps | RST38h: yeah, - but it adds in a lot of stuff as well. this solution is as simple as installing qemu and adding a binfmt, and just chrooting, heh |
| 12:57.30 | Stskeeps | i mean, i'm currently compiling Qt using it |
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| 12:58.05 | Stskeeps | is amazed. |
| 12:58.18 | Stskeeps | (special qemu btw, that is patched to fix the bugs) |
| 12:59.09 | RST38h | SB2 solution where you prepend all cross commmands with sb2 is ok with me |
| 12:59.33 | RST38h | Yours sounds like SB2 solution really |
| 13:00.04 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 13:00.10 | Stskeeps | yeah, similar goals |
| 13:00.41 | RST38h | oh btw once you chroot, will your external files still be available? |
| 13:01.00 | Stskeeps | i guess you can do that with mount --bind |
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| 13:03.03 | lizardo | X-Fade: the package is still there, waiting to be built ... any ideas ? |
| 13:04.13 | lizardo | X-Fade: this is the first time I ever saw this behavior when uploading to fremantle extras-devel |
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| 13:05.20 | X-Fade | lizardo: maemo-python-env_1.1.0.orig.tar.gz: No such file or directory |
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| 13:06.09 | lizardo | X-Fade: the 1.1.0-4 version does not contains a .orig.tar.gz, only the plain .tar.gz + .dsc ... |
| 13:06.35 | X-Fade | lizardo: check your .dsc |
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| 13:06.41 | lizardo | X-Fade: dput just accepted it without errors... should I try using the extras-assistant ? |
| 13:06.55 | X-Fade | lizardo: 94330d0e4c89030f87ce8f6289384aba 133 maemo-python-env_1.1.0.orig.tar.gz |
| 13:06.56 | lizardo | X-Fade: .... |
| 13:07.01 | lizardo | X-Fade: you are right :( |
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| 13:08.06 | lizardo | X-Fade: dammit, I cleaned up everything and just did the buildpackage -S ... will try again , sorry for bothering you :( |
| 13:08.35 | X-Fade | lizardo: Heh, no problem :) |
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| 13:14.28 | lizardo | X-Fade: BTW, is the autobuilder's NEW queue available through HTTP ? https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/ only lists those packages the already started building (it seems) |
| 13:15.08 | X-Fade | lizardo: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php |
| 13:17.06 | lizardo | X-Fade: I mean, access the files themselves , not just the list? |
| 13:19.30 | lizardo | X-Fade: anyway, now the build passed just fine :) it still looks strange why the dsc got wrong on the previous try, without dput complaining at all... |
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| 13:28.11 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Seen http://maemo.org/profile/list/ (top 3 entries)? |
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| 13:30.10 | lizardo | those damm ghosts... |
| 13:32.05 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Looking at it.. |
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| 13:40.00 | GAN800 | Defeated by ghost clones! |
| 13:41.52 | Stskeeps | hehe |
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| 13:42.23 | thux | who you gonna call, ghostbusters |
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| 13:43.42 | lizardo | X-Fade: and just in case it was not reported yet, I get the following PHP error when logging out from maemo.org: Fatal error: Class '__org_openpsa_products_product_group_dba' not found in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/org/openpsa/products/product/group.php on line 13 |
| 13:45.15 | X-Fade | lizardo: Hmm not good, will check. |
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| 13:51.04 | lizardo | X-Fade: and just one more: sometimes I see this one when editing my profile on maemo.org: Notice: Undefined variable: guid in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/baseclasses/database/parameter.php on line 46 |
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| 13:57.23 | RST38h | Sts: I think it is way better to at least let the developer have his original file system |
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| 14:00.39 | GAN800 | Later, folks. |
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| 14:35.20 | lopz | hola |
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| 15:39.25 | lcuk | wonders if hes in the right #maemo |
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| 15:40.11 | timelE61i | hello world |
| 15:40.19 | Stskeeps | hello timeles |
| 15:40.20 | Stskeeps | s |
| 15:40.26 | timelE61i | Anyone here have time for two quick reboots? |
| 15:40.44 | timelE61i | 1. Switch to es-ES (reboot) |
| 15:41.04 | timelE61i | 2. Tell me when you reach this step :) |
| 15:41.29 | lardman | ~lart MEX file debugging |
| 15:41.29 | infobot | grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats MEX file debugging until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with |
| 15:41.35 | Stskeeps | timelE61i: will it trash my tablet? :P |
| 15:41.43 | lardman | lcuk: make you feel more at home, me ranting about MATLAB? |
| 15:41.56 | qwerty12 | It will mine: localepurge is in effect on my N800 :P |
| 15:42.17 | Stskeeps | watches qt build and build |
| 15:43.03 | lcuk | heh lardman :D sounds good - hows your monday goin |
| 15:43.05 | Stskeeps | timelE61i: and then? |
| 15:43.05 | timelE61i | sts: unless you do something stupid, no |
| 15:43.13 | timelE61i | Open reloj |
| 15:43.30 | lcuk | apart from mex stuff ;) |
| 15:43.32 | lardman | lcuk: not too bad |
| 15:43.32 | Stskeeps | reloj? :P |
| 15:43.37 | timelE61i | It's white and looks like a clock :) |
| 15:44.08 | Stskeeps | and? :P |
| 15:44.16 | lcuk | ive got liqbase on a nice shiney git server with a pretty management tool behind it (H) |
| 15:44.24 | timelE61i | hold on :) |
| 15:45.11 | timelE61i | App menu, herramientas, ajustes de fecha y hora... |
| 15:45.40 | lardman | gives himself a small kick for a school-boy coding error |
| 15:45.43 | Stskeeps | mm? |
| 15:45.44 | timelE61i | Seleccionar ciudad de origen |
| 15:45.48 | lcuk | timelE61i, do you understand this, or have you got quim nearby to translate for you :D |
| 15:46.11 | timelE61i | Lcuk: yo hablo espanol tambien |
| 15:46.21 | qwerty12 | lol |
| 15:46.31 | Stskeeps | timelE61i: and then? |
| 15:46.37 | lardman | hay un playa por aqui? |
| 15:46.38 | lcuk | lardman, i cured a major stinker of a stupid error last week that had been in place since 2006! (dayjob) |
| 15:46.42 | timelE61i | Ciudad del vaticano.... |
| 15:46.49 | timelE61i | Aceptar |
| 15:46.52 | timelE61i | Aceptar |
| 15:46.55 | lcuk | timelE61i, no-io i dont-io speak-io the language-io |
| 15:46.57 | timelE61i | full screen |
| 15:47.05 | timelE61i | App menu, herramientas, ajustes de fecha y hora... |
| 15:47.14 | lardman | timelE61i: his popeliness appears as it crashes? |
| 15:47.23 | Stskeeps | timelE61i: uh, nice dialog box |
| 15:47.23 | timelE61i | close |
| 15:47.39 | Stskeeps | timelE61i: the dialog box for fecha y hora is going absolutely mental |
| 15:48.00 | timelE61i | a guy here complained it wasn't performant |
| 15:48.03 | timelE61i | Too slow :) |
| 15:48.10 | qwerty12 | So would I if I was called a hor :) |
| 15:48.13 | Stskeeps | .. i think it's flashing thailand at me |
| 15:48.52 | Stskeeps | timelE61i: bascially the dialog box is changing size at the wrapping of l Vatican |
| 15:48.56 | Stskeeps | forth and back |
| 15:49.12 | Stskeeps | repeatedly |
| 15:49.28 | timelE61i | you're certain it's wrapping? |
| 15:49.45 | timelE61i | Because you aren't allowed to wrap "del" at de- |
| 15:50.00 | timelE61i | You could split to de/el, if you spoke spanish |
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| 15:50.13 | Stskeeps | timelE61i: well, it doesn't exactly succed in wrapping |
| 15:50.15 | timelE61i | But it's unlikely this thing actually speaks it |
| 15:50.23 | Stskeeps | the dialog is expanding and compressing constantly |
| 15:50.25 | timelE61i | Sts: certainly not :) |
| 15:50.48 | timelE61i | As a coworker said, it's more like 1fps, which isn't a good constant :) |
| 15:51.01 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 15:51.19 | Stskeeps | can i switch back now? :P |
| 15:51.33 | timelE61i | We generally have targets of better than 10fps :) |
| 15:51.37 | timelE61i | Yeah, we're done |
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| 16:13.00 | lcuk | timelE61i, if oyu make it SO quick the flashing starts to be a problem that you need to include generic strobe warnings on the device ;) |
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| 16:15.58 | timelE61i | aRe you sure we don't have that warning? |
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| 16:25.40 | lardman | to hide the flashing? |
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| 16:28.06 | lardman | cu all |
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| 17:02.21 | Stskeeps | 'lo penguinbait |
| 17:02.31 | penguinbait | hey |
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| 17:55.38 | Stskeeps | hmm, who of you were the VLC-hildon people? :P |
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| 18:05.25 | Stskeeps | wb |
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| 18:29.17 | lcuk | ~lart git |
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| 18:33.04 | thux | is infobot supybot? |
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| 18:40.12 | sjgadsby | Why does the "Log in" link on http://www.maemo.org/ lead to Bugzilla? |
| 18:40.48 | Stskeeps | hint to file a bug on it? ;) |
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| 18:41.07 | sjgadsby | That's pretty much what I'm thinking. |
| 18:41.17 | sjgadsby | I suppose I'll take the hint. |
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| 18:49.53 | sjgadsby | blames GAN800. |
| 18:50.02 | GAN800 | wut? |
| 18:50.20 | sjgadsby | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4253 |
| 18:51.18 | GAN800 | Probably more productive to blame X-Fade. :P |
| 18:51.31 | sjgadsby | Yes, but you're here. |
| 18:51.37 | GAN800 | Lies |
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| 19:00.09 | RST38h | sjgadsby: doesn't it make perfect sense? |
| 19:00.17 | bbns | hi all. I have noticed the N810 coming with ambient light sensors and I noticed that it has IR sensor to check proximity. |
| 19:00.59 | bbns | Is therer anyway to access the proximity? (I have successfully access the ambient light sensor but it only gives on lux value). |
| 19:01.17 | Stskeeps | hm, didn't know there was a IR sensor |
| 19:01.24 | RST38h | n810 has no ir sensor |
| 19:01.31 | lcuk | bbns, what makes you think there is one? |
| 19:01.43 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, webcam. :D |
| 19:01.56 | ShadowJK | I wonder if hte webcam picks up IR :) |
| 19:02.03 | GeneralAntilles | contemplates hauling a G5 up 3 flights of stairs with some distaste. |
| 19:02.03 | bbns | lcuk, i checked the spec from the manufacture. |
| 19:02.17 | lcuk | this spec is available where? |
| 19:02.22 | bbns | let me check |
| 19:03.10 | lcuk | it can't be the webcam, he said sensor - it would actually have to sense things ;) :P |
| 19:03.34 | RST38h | Gen: if you manage to access it through all the api garbage =) |
| 19:03.53 | bbns | lcuk, tsl2563 dataseet: http://news.thomasnet.com/pdf/478523.pdf |
| 19:04.00 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, sure has no trouble sensing your ugly face. :P |
| 19:04.22 | bbns | lcuk, it looks like it comes with dual dide. one is ambient light sensor, one is IR. |
| 19:04.27 | lcuk | well thats where its gone wrong, im not ugly IRL :D |
| 19:04.31 | ShadowJK | hey, camera sees the IR transmitter of my phone :-) |
| 19:04.50 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and the camera never lies. :D |
| 19:05.08 | RST38h | cheap cell phone cameras will generally see near ir |
| 19:05.28 | bbns | lcuk, i suspect the IR one actually enables the AF or aperture adjustment for inward camera. |
| 19:05.51 | lcuk | i wasnt aware the camera had either |
| 19:05.58 | lcuk | like zoom: move device closer |
| 19:06.02 | ShadowJK | RST38h, it'd be more fun if they completely left out the IR filter so that you could have nightvision :-) |
| 19:06.04 | lcuk | illumination: turn the light on |
| 19:06.18 | lcuk | flash: open your mac |
| 19:06.22 | Stskeeps | ShadowJK: oh that'd be a neat app :P |
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| 19:07.19 | crashanddie | IR isn't exactly night vision |
| 19:07.28 | crashanddie | allows to see through opaque things though |
| 19:07.55 | ShadowJK | Yeah add a IR powerled and it becomes see in the dark |
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| 19:12.23 | crashanddie | Stskeeps, is there git on mer? |
| 19:12.31 | Stskeeps | most likely? :P |
| 19:12.52 | crashanddie | do I need to install specific repos? Like maybe the maemo ones? |
| 19:13.09 | Stskeeps | no, just apt-get install git-core |
| 19:13.46 | crashanddie | oh wow, there's the ubuntu ports and everything? |
| 19:14.22 | GeneralAntilles | It is Ubuntu |
| 19:14.35 | crashanddie | ok, fair enough :) |
| 19:14.48 | crashanddie | hi GA o/ |
| 19:14.54 | crashanddie | how's it going buddy? |
| 19:15.39 | GeneralAntilles | My computers are falling apart |
| 19:15.42 | GeneralAntilles | but otherwise great |
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| 19:16.05 | crashanddie | told you HP wasn't a good buy |
| 19:16.22 | GeneralAntilles | HP? |
| 19:16.30 | crashanddie | or Packard Bell |
| 19:16.35 | crashanddie | dunno what shite you bought, dawg |
| 19:16.45 | GeneralAntilles | Leaking G5. :( |
| 19:16.50 | crashanddie | oh Mac? |
| 19:16.55 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 19:16.58 | crashanddie | what the fuck did you do to the poor thing |
| 19:17.05 | GeneralAntilles | Nothing |
| 19:17.10 | crashanddie | btw, is a G5 any good for today's use? |
| 19:17.14 | GeneralAntilles | Apparently it's a common issue with the LCS G5s. |
| 19:17.25 | GeneralAntilles | Um, if you already own one. |
| 19:17.30 | crashanddie | nope |
| 19:17.37 | GeneralAntilles | I wouldn't buy one to have one, though. |
| 19:17.46 | GeneralAntilles | You can do cheaper and better if you just need PPC |
| 19:18.07 | GeneralAntilles | There's a bit of nostalgia inflation on the last gen PPC Macs. |
| 19:19.57 | RST38h | ShadowJK: I do suspect they completley left out the ir filter :) |
| 19:20.17 | ShadowJK | nah it looks kinda faint actually |
| 19:20.18 | RST38h | ShadowJK: it is just that the sensor is rather crappy and its ir sensitivity is kinda low |
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| 19:20.45 | crashanddie | lol |
| 19:21.08 | crashanddie | "Your SSH key has been uploaded. It may take a moment or two before becoming active" |
| 19:21.14 | crashanddie | define:duration of moment |
| 19:21.31 | crashanddie | how long is two moments? |
| 19:22.01 | sjgadsby | Are these metric or imperial moments? |
| 19:22.43 | crashanddie | dunno, didn't say |
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| 19:24.39 | crashanddie | ah, Wikipedia defines everything |
| 19:24.39 | crashanddie | A moment is a medieval unit of time equal to 1.5 minutes or 1/40 of an hour |
| 19:25.32 | crashanddie | or 5/114 of a second |
| 19:25.48 | crashanddie | that's the imperial one I gather, stupid fractions |
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| 19:27.05 | lcuk | thats not imperial, thats for 3 mile island schoolkids to count with their fingers |
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| 19:29.04 | sjgadsby | lives 100 miles from Three Mile Island. |
| 19:30.08 | lcuk | sjgadsby, wouldnt even get warm near you |
| 19:30.54 | ||cw | sure it's not 103 miles? |
| 19:31.15 | lcuk | lol |
| 19:31.40 | sjgadsby | ||cw: Actually, according to Google Maps, that is the driving distance. |
| 19:33.28 | VDVsx | wooow, maemo.org is a little bit f%&k up right now :P |
| 19:34.16 | lcuk | ch ch ch ch changes |
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| 19:35.01 | lcuk | \o hi wazd |
| 19:35.14 | wazd | hello again) |
| 19:35.50 | lcuk | hmm ive got a statusbar clock thing from extras, it doesnt refresh the time very often |
| 19:36.08 | crashanddie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tBHOuHolYw |
| 19:36.33 | lcuk | they kicked the server |
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| 19:37.18 | crashanddie | lcuk, the fact my public key is not getting updated would corroborate the fact they're out of synch |
| 19:37.36 | lcuk | try it now, its found my update |
| 19:37.40 | Stskeeps | 'lo wazd |
| 19:37.59 | crashanddie | lcuk, mer lost wifi xD |
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| 19:56.24 | LinuxCode | sjgadsby, they will replace one of their own office machines first with a new one and slaughter it for spares |
| 19:56.26 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
| 19:57.12 | GeneralAntilles | sjgadsby, we'll see what happens. Other users have had Apple offer them replacement machines after they've had trouble getting the parts. |
| 19:57.33 | sjgadsby | GeneralAntilles: Yep, I've heard the same thing from others. |
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| 19:58.08 | GeneralAntilles | I pushed the "What if it leaks again and I electrocute myself?" line to no success. |
| 19:58.24 | sjgadsby | Nice one! |
| 19:58.37 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 19:58.51 | GeneralAntilles | That coolant shorting that big 750 watt PSU to that giant metal case would be less than enjoyable. |
| 19:58.57 | LinuxCode | GeneralAntilles, was the respinse, then dont put your hands in there ? |
| 19:59.12 | LinuxCode | -i+o |
| 19:59.18 | GeneralAntilles | He gave me his direct line if I had any issues with the repair. ;) |
| 19:59.22 | GeneralAntilles | Sort of side stepped it. |
| 19:59.26 | LinuxCode | cool |
| 19:59.43 | LinuxCode | how much did you have to battle with them until they agreed to repair ? |
| 20:00.12 | GeneralAntilles | Well, I started with a call to Apple last week that didn't go past L1 |
| 20:00.32 | LinuxCode | Is US law the same like UK law ? here if something is high value, you can expect a certain reasonable life-time |
| 20:00.35 | GeneralAntilles | Took it to the Genius bar in Tampa later that week and had a long (and fruitless) discussion with one of the AM1s |
| 20:00.49 | LinuxCode | AM1 ? |
| 20:01.02 | GeneralAntilles | Er, Senior Assistant Manager. ;) |
| 20:01.04 | LinuxCode | kk |
| 20:01.13 | GeneralAntilles | (which I didn't realize at the time, thought she was the store manager) |
| 20:01.21 | LinuxCode | hehe |
| 20:01.40 | GeneralAntilles | I managed to talk them into giving me a case number so Apple didn't just refer me right back to a service center |
| 20:01.44 | LinuxCode | aka time wasted as not speaking to person with authority ? |
| 20:01.56 | LinuxCode | ahh cool |
| 20:01.59 | GeneralAntilles | Well, I dunno how much power is delegated to the assistant managers there |
| 20:02.07 | LinuxCode | and then what did you do next ? |
| 20:02.10 | GeneralAntilles | but she's telling me that she doesn't have any options to help me |
| 20:02.22 | GeneralAntilles | and I'm not sure I buy that coming from an AM1. ;) |
| 20:02.31 | GeneralAntilles | Called Apple today |
| 20:02.36 | GeneralAntilles | gave my case number to L1 |
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| 20:02.57 | GeneralAntilles | he put me on hold a bit and transfered me right over to the customer relations guy |
| 20:03.06 | LinuxCode | hehe cool |
| 20:03.10 | LinuxCode | and he offered ? |
| 20:03.31 | GeneralAntilles | told him my story, he put me on hold for a bit longer, did some tap dancing about how far out of warranty and how old my machine was then offered me a warranty exception. |
| 20:03.58 | LinuxCode | interesting |
| 20:04.13 | LinuxCode | so is US law like UK law in that respect ? |
| 20:04.19 | GeneralAntilles | No, not really |
| 20:04.23 | LinuxCode | if they give in like that, sounds dodgy |
| 20:04.28 | GeneralAntilles | The EU has stronger consumer protection laws as far as repairs go. |
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| 20:04.37 | LinuxCode | hehe |
| 20:04.46 | LinuxCode | EU likes consumers yes |
| 20:04.56 | GeneralAntilles | Which you end up paying for anyway. :P |
| 20:04.56 | LinuxCode | sadly my fellow Citizens dont seem to realize that much |
| 20:05.06 | sjgadsby | It's likely a known issue internally, so they're willing to do something if you show a bit of persistence. |
| 20:05.18 | LinuxCode | sjgadsby, thats what Im thinking too |
| 20:05.33 | GeneralAntilles | Well, some cases have had to sign NDAs |
| 20:05.43 | GeneralAntilles | Some I'm quite sure they know it's a problem. |
| 20:05.55 | GeneralAntilles | Thank god for xlr8yourmac.com, though. |
| 20:06.01 | GeneralAntilles | Gave me a lot of ammo to use |
| 20:06.12 | LinuxCode | very interesting |
| 20:06.18 | LinuxCode | needs to keep that in mind |
| 20:06.23 | LinuxCode | I shall inform my brother |
| 20:06.30 | LinuxCode | he is the Mac person |
| 20:06.49 | LinuxCode | bastard with his dual quad core lol |
| 20:06.52 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 20:06.58 | GeneralAntilles | crosses his fingers. |
| 20:07.09 | LinuxCode | how many cores did your box have ? |
| 20:07.09 | sjgadsby | isn't going to mention the dual quad core he has on the way. |
| 20:07.13 | GeneralAntilles | I'll pay the difference to an octocore Nehalem if they offer me something. |
| 20:07.20 | GeneralAntilles | It's pre multi-core |
| 20:07.25 | GeneralAntilles | Dual 2.5GHz G5 |
| 20:07.25 | LinuxCode | hehe k |
| 20:07.37 | LinuxCode | I hope you get a quad then |
| 20:07.39 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
| 20:07.41 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 20:07.49 | GeneralAntilles | It's be great if I can get a Mac Pro |
| 20:07.54 | LinuxCode | I dont suspect you will though, tbh |
| 20:07.58 | GeneralAntilles | Save me the $3000 upgrade cost for another 4 or 5 years. |
| 20:08.02 | GeneralAntilles | We'll see |
| 20:08.09 | GeneralAntilles | I bet they've stocked up on parts a bit. |
| 20:08.12 | LinuxCode | keep us informed |
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| 20:08.25 | GeneralAntilles | Assuming they don't NDA my ass. :D |
| 20:08.25 | LinuxCode | Im very intruiged to here what will happen |
| 20:08.29 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 20:08.38 | LinuxCode | I dont know you, you dont know me |
| 20:08.44 | LinuxCode | ;-x |
| 20:08.57 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, my online identity is awfully easy to track. |
| 20:09.24 | LinuxCode | you can always email me and tell em you are installing fedora on a quad or dual core machine |
| 20:09.27 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 20:09.34 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 20:09.36 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
| 20:09.37 | RST38h | once again curses ridiculous Aeroflot web interface |
| 20:09.42 | LinuxCode | will know then |
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| 20:10.33 | LinuxCode | goes back to work |
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| 20:20.12 | RST38h | How do I return stuck FF session to life? |
| 20:20.24 | RST38h | Is there some Ctrl-Break key sequence? =) |
| 20:20.55 | qwerty12_N800 | shock baton |
| 20:21.10 | RST38h | A'ok...applying shock baton |
| 20:21.17 | Stskeeps | shock bacon? |
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| 20:34.25 | RST38h | Hehe, Aeroflot uses Google Analytics to collect website stats |
| 20:35.41 | LinuxCode | many people/compnaies do |
| 20:35.58 | LinuxCode | in fact, its become a bit of a security issue now |
| 20:40.35 | RST38h | you bet... |
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| 20:45.11 | jeremiah_ | shock bacon, aeroflot, I have missed alot to day. |
| 20:45.24 | GeneralAntilles | Idle bettar |
| 20:45.42 | GeneralAntilles | Ooh Rev.C Beagle is here |
| 20:46.12 | zakkm | GeneralAntilles: Excited for Snow Leopard? |
| 20:47.30 | GeneralAntilles | zakkm, the likelihood is that it wont run on my G5, so, no. |
| 20:47.38 | zakkm | hah |
| 20:47.51 | zakkm | running on a nice tweaked overclocked osx x86 myself. |
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| 20:49.39 | jeremiah_ | x86 rules |
| 20:50.06 | jeremiah_ | Although I would kinda like to have a Cell cluster to play with. |
| 20:50.09 | zakkm | jeremiah_: you use osx x86 too? |
| 20:50.13 | Stskeeps | i wouldn't mind a sheevaplug |
| 20:50.28 | jeremiah_ | zakkm: Dual boot debian and leopard. |
| 20:50.35 | GeneralAntilles | jeremiah_, what you mean is x86 sucks. ;) |
| 20:50.38 | jeremiah_ | On a mac mini. |
| 20:50.38 | zakkm | on a non-apple machine? |
| 20:50.41 | zakkm | oh |
| 20:50.50 | zakkm | dont like macports? |
| 20:50.52 | jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: Me too - they look fun. |
| 20:51.06 | jeremiah_ | zakkm: No, it is always out of date and fink is not apt |
| 20:51.21 | jeremiah_ | But I think it is great that Mac ports exists |
| 20:51.35 | jeremiah_ | And it is great work, it is just that I am spoiled by debian |
| 20:51.40 | GeneralAntilles | Fink is Fink. Fink is not MacPorts. |
| 20:51.40 | zakkm | heh |
| 20:52.08 | zakkm | its a alternate though |
| 20:52.09 | jeremiah_ | Yeah, that is why I say fink is not apt and Mac ports is out of date. :) |
| 20:52.30 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, OK. :P |
| 20:52.34 | jeremiah_ | fink is apt ported to OS X. Mac ports is BSD ports ported to OS X. |
| 20:52.39 | GeneralAntilles | I've found them both to be out of date. |
| 20:52.44 | jeremiah_ | Yeah, me too. |
| 20:52.45 | zakkm | i didnt think it was that bad |
| 20:52.51 | zakkm | i dont have x11 so i cant try it out |
| 20:52.53 | jeremiah_ | No, I shouldn't critize. |
| 20:52.55 | zakkm | its like 3gb :( |
| 20:53.06 | jeremiah_ | zakkm: Don't have X11? |
| 20:53.08 | zakkm | no |
| 20:53.11 | jeremiah_ | It is free from Apple |
| 20:53.13 | zakkm | i know |
| 20:53.17 | jeremiah_ | oh. |
| 20:53.24 | zakkm | but its a 3gb download, thats like 24 hours for my pc.. of full bandwidth |
| 20:53.30 | zakkm | which i thought isnt worth it ;p |
| 20:53.31 | jeremiah_ | oh, that sucks. |
| 20:53.36 | Stskeeps | 3g for X11? |
| 20:53.37 | jeremiah_ | I totally understand. |
| 20:53.38 | Stskeeps | jesus |
| 20:53.47 | jeremiah_ | But that does seem a little large for X11 |
| 20:53.48 | zakkm | it has other stuf too |
| 20:53.48 | GeneralAntilles | 3GB for XCode |
| 20:53.52 | GeneralAntilles | x11 is, like, 80MB |
| 20:53.56 | zakkm | oh |
| 20:53.58 | zakkm | xcode thats it |
| 20:53.59 | zakkm | sorry |
| 20:54.03 | jeremiah_ | Yeah, must be 3G for Xcode |
| 20:54.12 | zakkm | i think i have x11 then, cause darwine works |
| 20:54.18 | jeremiah_ | XCode is pretty amazing though. |
| 20:54.23 | zakkm | wait yeah i got x11 |
| 20:54.26 | jeremiah_ | If I had to use an IDE, I would use that. |
| 20:54.28 | zakkm | 168 kb :) |
| 20:54.31 | zakkm | heh |
| 20:55.15 | zakkm | I hate genie effect, it can be so jerky sometimes. |
| 20:55.45 | zakkm | did you guys enable QuartzGL/Quartz 2D Extreme? |
| 20:55.55 | jeremiah_ | GeneralAntilles: I was kind of disappointed by the meeting today. |
| 20:56.07 | zakkm | oh yeah how'd the meeting go |
| 20:56.08 | GeneralAntilles | jeremiah_, don't blame me |
| 20:56.16 | zakkm | i had school ;p |
| 20:56.20 | jeremiah_ | GeneralAntilles: Okay, I won't. :) |
| 20:56.31 | GeneralAntilles | You can officially blame all of your problems on the new sucker^W chair, Jaffa. ;) |
| 20:56.35 | zakkm | what happened? whaat was discussed? |
| 20:56.43 | jeremiah_ | zakkm: I didn't enjoy it, let put it that way. |
| 20:56.46 | GeneralAntilles | jeremiah_, I was driving while the meeting was happening, so. ;) |
| 20:57.40 | zakkm | what was the point of the meeting? like what changed? |
| 20:57.44 | GeneralAntilles | contemplates putting 5 drives in his stand-in G5 but decides to browse /. instead. |
| 20:57.52 | GeneralAntilles | zakkm, it's a sprint review |
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| 20:58.02 | zakkm | for maemo or mer? |
| 20:58.02 | GeneralAntilles | They're monthly |
| 20:58.05 | jeremiah_ | zakkm: Well, it was the first meeting with the new council and it was a sprint review, like GA says |
| 20:58.05 | GeneralAntilles | maemo.org |
| 20:58.40 | GeneralAntilles | Sprint reviews are always variable. |
| 20:58.58 | GeneralAntilles | Sometimes people are engaged and ready to report, sometimes they're not. |
| 20:59.08 | zakkm | heh so up to a bad start? :P |
| 20:59.15 | jeremiah_ | I think the paid staff and the council should serve for the same period and at the same time. |
| 20:59.47 | jeremiah_ | I think it is, umm, questionable, that a new council tries to change horses in mid-stream |
| 21:00.13 | Stskeeps | jeremiah_: ah, i think he was maybe trying to figure out how on earth the organization is put together |
| 21:00.13 | zakkm | how much paid people are there? |
| 21:00.41 | zakkm | me? no i just wanted to know if there was some major news announced |
| 21:00.51 | jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: What gives you that impression - I think the word "boss" popped more than once. |
| 21:01.04 | jeremiah_ | zakkm: Sorry to disappoint you, just politics. :) |
| 21:01.04 | GeneralAntilles | jeremiah_, well, the paid staff aren't on synchronized contracts themselves, so I don't see how that's possible. |
| 21:01.21 | GeneralAntilles | Do we have a log that I could look at? |
| 21:01.32 | Stskeeps | jeremiah_: (i don't have a particular opinion about this though) - i read it as exploring how council relates to the employees |
| 21:01.39 | jeremiah_ | GeneralAntilles: Trivially easy. You just start the paid staff on a six month contract at the same time as the council |
| 21:02.26 | GeneralAntilles | What's this about changing horses midstream? |
| 21:03.04 | jeremiah_ | Do we have a log somewhere? I didn't save one. |
| 21:03.13 | jeremiah_ | I know that there is a log of #maemo somewhere. |
| 21:03.17 | Stskeeps | yeah, http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/log.meeting |
| 21:03.39 | jeremiah_ | Thanks Stskeeps |
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| 21:04.50 | zakkm | qole is council? |
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| 21:05.12 | Stskeeps | jeremiah_: i'm curious if the general rule is that employees of maemo.org are directed by maemo.org or how it goes - the thing about making a position up for renewal each 6 months is weird though, that's up to contract :P |
| 21:05.36 | Stskeeps | err.. directed by maemo.org council |
| 21:05.54 | zakkm | just oddly curious.. how much roughly would a maemo.org council member make? |
| 21:06.00 | Stskeeps | 0$? :P |
| 21:06.06 | zakkm | volunteered? |
| 21:06.13 | Stskeeps | elected |
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| 21:06.32 | jeremiah_ | <I'm still unclear about the council's role in "policing" the paid maemo.org team. To what extent are we the team's "bosses"? |
| 21:06.35 | zakkm | but no pay at all / no benefits? |
| 21:06.45 | jeremiah_ | ^^ That particularly rubs my fur the wrong way. |
| 21:07.18 | Stskeeps | jeremiah_: it's a valid question as i don't think it's directly defined |
| 21:07.21 | qwerty12_N800 | zakkm: the warm feeling that you're doing good for the community. |
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| 21:07.23 | jeremiah_ | In open source communities, police and bosses are frowned upon. |
| 21:07.57 | zakkm | are you guys council members? |
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| 21:08.06 | Stskeeps | jeremiah_: obviously - but in a hypothetical situation, that a employee doesn't do what he's paid to do, who decides that the guy should be fired? |
| 21:09.22 | Stskeeps | zakkm: i'm not |
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| 21:10.19 | Stskeeps | jeremiah_: it's always difficult to mix open source projects and money :) |
| 21:10.46 | jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: I strongly agree with you. |
| 21:10.57 | jeremiah_ | And I praise Nokia for doing such a good job. |
| 21:11.28 | jeremiah_ | zakkm: I am not a council member, but GeneralAntilles is. |
| 21:11.40 | zakkm | kool |
| 21:11.58 | zakkm | didnt realize the maemo project was so big |
| 21:12.09 | Stskeeps | in my own personal and unfounded view, i see maemo.org employees as the executing part of the community, - they get paid to get the community things done, based on the role their contract states |
| 21:13.37 | zakkm | curiousity, if i were to want a reasonable app "ported" , is there someones job to do it just by me requesting? |
| 21:13.48 | Stskeeps | and i guess council is a way to make sure that role is 1) possible 2) has a person in it that does that job 3) help develop the role based on community decisions |
| 21:14.18 | Stskeeps | when there's wage involved you don't get around that someone pays the bills / gives you work to do :P |
| 21:14.43 | zakkm | seems like an awesome job |
| 21:14.48 | Stskeeps | i'd love a maemo.org job. :P |
| 21:14.55 | Stskeeps | (if i was without work atm) |
| 21:15.19 | zakkm | you guys are online so much, i wonder if you work ;p |
| 21:15.38 | lcuk | zakkm, some people play warcraft in their spare time :) |
| 21:15.45 | lcuk | others play maemo :) |
| 21:16.08 | zakkm | im aware, i just find it unique that everytime im on here, everyone else seems to be |
| 21:16.27 | lcuk | the internet never sleeps |
| 21:16.30 | jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: You do a hell of a job with mer. |
| 21:16.42 | jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: You should definitely have a maemo job at some point. |
| 21:16.54 | zakkm | i 2nd that |
| 21:17.11 | Stskeeps | hehe. but that's side tracking the current conversation :) |
| 21:17.16 | wazd | Maemo should hire 1/2 of the Community :P |
| 21:17.49 | zakkm | maemo should switch to mer |
| 21:17.50 | zakkm | ;p |
| 21:17.50 | wazd | Cause I was really surprised with such bright minds within community |
| 21:18.13 | zakkm | the maemo project should end, and all development should go towards mer |
| 21:18.18 | Stskeeps | nah |
| 21:18.22 | wazd | zakkm: nowai |
| 21:18.24 | Stskeeps | i don't agree on that point, zakkm |
| 21:18.44 | zakkm | arent you stuck by alot of things, avaliable to mer? |
| 21:18.50 | jeremiah_ | wazd: I agree, there are some really smart people here |
| 21:18.51 | zakkm | what if that became open to mer |
| 21:18.52 | wazd | zakkm: the great part bout Mer that it's driven by people, not transgallactic ubercompany :) |
| 21:19.10 | Stskeeps | fact is, maemo has the focus of a throughout tested consumer OS, and to develop a company's agenda - but they play nice and open source 80% of it |
| 21:19.17 | Stskeeps | without those 80%, mer wouldn't be viable |
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| 21:19.36 | zakkm | yeah what if 100% was opensource.. which would happen with that switch |
| 21:19.42 | jeremiah_ | It is a delicate line to walk, commercial open source. |
| 21:19.42 | zakkm | wouldnt it accelerate progress? |
| 21:20.01 | jeremiah_ | zakkm: There are some binary blobs they do not want their competition to look at. |
| 21:20.03 | Stskeeps | then some chinese manufactorer would clone the tablets and drive nokia out of the market with cheap crap? :P |
| 21:20.15 | zakkm | oh |
| 21:20.17 | zakkm | right |
| 21:20.21 | zakkm | hits self |
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| 21:20.37 | wazd | damn, fresh vista is uber cool |
| 21:20.45 | zakkm | vista? |
| 21:20.46 | Stskeeps | i understand nokia's 80-20% agenda and why it is so :) |
| 21:20.46 | zakkm | no win7? |
| 21:20.47 | jeremiah_ | fresh vista? |
| 21:20.49 | wazd | I almost forgot how cool it could be :) |
| 21:21.17 | jeremiah_ | ewww, Microsoft. |
| 21:21.19 | wazd | jeremiah_: fresh install I mean |
| 21:21.25 | zakkm | wooo Mac OSX |
| 21:21.34 | zakkm | woo mer * wants to get on stskeeps good side ;p * |
| 21:21.37 | jeremiah_ | w00t, debian FTW |
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| 21:22.15 | wazd | I can install any OS I want but i'm with Vista :) |
| 21:22.19 | Macer | sorry Stskeeps can't make it today but i'm off tomorrow. i will go once the po opens |
| 21:22.26 | zakkm | wazd: dont like osx? |
| 21:22.27 | Stskeeps | Macer: k |
| 21:22.35 | wazd | zakkm: no |
| 21:22.53 | jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: We can talk about some of this stuff later. I would like to chew your ear off about it a bit. |
| 21:23.12 | wazd | zakkm: why should I like it?) |
| 21:23.18 | jeremiah_ | Maybe in K'bhavn |
| 21:23.28 | zakkm | visual/ usability aspect? |
| 21:23.43 | jeremiah_ | Oh, lack of viruses perhaps? |
| 21:23.50 | wazd | zakkm: no usability or visual pro's against vista for me |
| 21:23.51 | zakkm | who cares of that part |
| 21:23.52 | Stskeeps | jeremiah_: i'm sure we'll have a beer over something in cph :) |
| 21:24.09 | zakkm | you guys all know eachother in person? |
| 21:24.13 | wazd | zakkm: I'm very casual user, so I don't need much |
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| 21:24.18 | lcuk | had the misfortune to work with vista today |
| 21:24.18 | jeremiah_ | Excellent. Talk to you later, it is almost midnight here in sverige. |
| 21:24.22 | Jaffa | zakkm: some of us met at the Maemo Summit 2008 in Berlin |
| 21:24.23 | Stskeeps | zakkm: i've never met a single person from here |
| 21:24.24 | lcuk | washed his hands afterwards |
| 21:24.28 | zakkm | wazd : thats why mac is for you :D |
| 21:24.28 | Stskeeps | (.. i think) |
| 21:24.38 | jeremiah_ | lcuk: <- a man after my own heart. |
| 21:24.39 | zakkm | wow, how do you guys afford it? |
| 21:24.44 | zakkm | going to berlin for a summit |
| 21:24.52 | jeremiah_ | work? |
| 21:24.58 | lcuk | jeremiah_, but i use XP every day - its my most comfortable mousing wm ;) |
| 21:25.00 | zakkm | make enough? |
| 21:25.20 | jeremiah_ | lcuk: ewwww, XP. |
| 21:25.25 | Jaffa | zakkm: Nokia sponsored some people; some of us live in Europe |
| 21:25.26 | jeremiah_ | zakkm: Are you a student? |
| 21:25.35 | zakkm | Grade 12 High School. |
| 21:25.39 | zakkm | 18 years old |
| 21:25.39 | Jaffa | didn't take sponsored travel since it was so cheap to just get on a train |
| 21:25.53 | jeremiah_ | zakkm: Well, you will one day have a job and be flying to conferences too. |
| 21:25.54 | lcuk | and plane and hike and cycle and hitchhike |
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| 21:26.06 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: ta for the log, I'll use it to do some of the drudge work of priming the sprint tasks |
| 21:26.09 | jeremiah_ | zakkm: You are off to a good start, if you hangout here. :) |
| 21:26.17 | zakkm | haha |
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| 21:26.19 | Stskeeps | zakkm: heh, i got a hong kong trip to go to a conference and present a paper, for work |
| 21:26.22 | Stskeeps | that was neat |
| 21:26.27 | zakkm | wow |
| 21:26.35 | lcuk | has only ever been to 2 conferences |
| 21:26.43 | zakkm | im so far going into real estate agent'ing i know that much. well thinking highly of it |
| 21:26.44 | jeremiah_ | Software development is just one junket after the next. |
| 21:26.48 | lcuk | both of them nokia berlin :) |
| 21:26.56 | zakkm | i been to a microsoft technet "keynote" if that counts? :D |
| 21:27.01 | Jaffa | jeremiah_: qole is still unsure of the role of the council and is primarily still exploring it, its relationship to the maemo.org staff/the community and Nokia (and of course the overlap therein) |
| 21:27.01 | zakkm | Vista Beta 2 :P |
| 21:27.14 | zakkm | but i live in Toronto, Canada.. and it was here so it wasnt much |
| 21:27.19 | lcuk | smiles |
| 21:27.20 | jeremiah_ | Jaffa: There is lots to define there. |
| 21:27.51 | zakkm | is tech hard for you guys? like college/ getting a job and such |
| 21:28.05 | Jaffa | jeremiah_: But Stskeeps makes a good point - in some future circumstance it may be up to the council (after feedback from the community) to go to Nokia and suggest that employee #42 is causing concern. |
| 21:28.30 | Stskeeps | zakkm: after 6 years of comp.sci i'm not entirely sure i like computers as much as i did when i was 10. |
| 21:28.46 | jeremiah_ | Jaffa: That is a two way street, Nokia might like to do the same. |
| 21:28.54 | Jaffa | *hates* computers - it's just a shame there's nothing I'm better at to occupy my time. |
| 21:28.55 | lcuk | theres a delicate ifne line here - the council needs to actively work to support and communicate - not just with nokia - but the outside world - as practically a fulltime job. the face of the maemo community. however as a fulltime job no1 is willing to give it up for a 6 month tenure. |
| 21:28.57 | jeremiah_ | Jaffa: And the council may present a problem as well. |
| 21:29.03 | Jaffa | jeremiah_: Indeed on both counts |
| 21:29.29 | jeremiah_ | So we all need, as a community, a clear set of roles and responsibilities so there is transparency and accountability |
| 21:29.46 | zakkm | didnt like computers at 10. |
| 21:29.46 | jeremiah_ | But, and this is where things got off the rails today, |
| 21:29.49 | Jaffa | jeremiah_: Nokia can always ignore the council. And Nokia are perfectly capable of no longer funding a role if they aren't convinced of the benefits |
| 21:30.02 | jeremiah_ | Jaffa: True. |
| 21:30.12 | jeremiah_ | That might poison the community though. |
| 21:30.15 | jeremiah_ | Maybe not. |
| 21:30.18 | Jaffa | Oh, indeed :) |
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| 21:30.39 | Jaffa | Which is why it's best left somewhat vague - but with some guidelines - so each individual circumstance can be dealt with (IMHO) |
| 21:30.44 | zakkm | just curious, did they stop doing diablo updates? if fremantle is only for the new tablet, whyd they stop diablo updates? havent seen one since i bought my n800 |
| 21:31.03 | jeremiah_ | I think the call for who is boss of whom is better left until after we have defined the roles and duties, not before. |
| 21:31.27 | jeremiah_ | And perhaps all that should have happened is that words like "policing" and "boss" not have been used |
| 21:31.34 | jeremiah_ | and I would not have taken offence |
| 21:31.52 | zakkm | might happen at the next summit :D |
| 21:31.57 | jeremiah_ | but I am a free software / community zealot and one of the things I like is not having a boss |
| 21:32.06 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, exactly the same feeling here :) |
| 21:32.08 | jeremiah_ | I like to think we work together here. |
| 21:33.19 | jeremiah_ | going to bed now |
| 21:33.36 | Stskeeps | nini jeremiah_ |
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| 21:34.34 | zakkm | night meremiah_ |
| 21:34.35 | lcuk | gnite jeremiah_ |
| 21:34.40 | zakkm | jeremiah_* sorry |
| 21:34.46 | lcuk | lol |
| 21:35.07 | zakkm | long day at school, half asleep |
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| 21:35.24 | Stskeeps | right, my tablet is at brink of disaster |
| 21:35.31 | VDVsx | gnite jeremiah_ |
| 21:35.37 | Stskeeps | it is not not properly in sync even where it was in sync before |
| 21:35.45 | VDVsx | just installed a ruindows VM in order to develop for the f%c$ing Symbian plataform :( |
| 21:35.45 | Stskeeps | not=now |
| 21:36.01 | zakkm | VDVsx: on osx originally? |
| 21:36.21 | VDVsx | zakkm, nah, Linux |
| 21:36.31 | zakkm | DE/WM? |
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| 21:41.36 | Myrtti | wwhhheeeeeaaaahhhh |
| 21:44.48 | Stskeeps | morning Myrtti |
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| 21:48.44 | wazd | Myrtti's having morning now?) Oh-my, oh-my :) |
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| 21:50.18 | wazd | k, time to get some sleep, c ya, world :) |
| 21:50.22 | Stskeeps | cya wazd |
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| 21:53.37 | Macer | i need to make a logo for my zimbra server |
| 21:55.10 | Macer | have to love gimp :) |
| 21:56.13 | RST38h | "It functions as a normal radio until input is added via the keypad. It seems that if a year is entered into the keypad, the radio will receive transmissions from the era (depending on if messages were being broadcast on the set frequency)" |
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| 22:03.12 | lardman | evening all |
| 22:03.49 | lcuk | \o |
| 22:04.04 | befr0d | hi |
| 22:05.55 | lardman | am I right in thinking that I've managed to miss the GSoC review stuff? |
| 22:06.41 | lardman | not on purpose I hasten to add |
| 22:07.56 | VDVsx | lardman, you still have some time :) |
| 22:08.01 | lcuk | simon are you a mentor |
| 22:08.04 | lardman | lol, how long? |
| 22:08.19 | lardman | lcuk: yes, I foolishly volunteered |
| 22:08.53 | lcuk | not foolishly :) you have positive experience |
| 22:08.53 | Stskeeps | wtf? date and time controlpanel refuses to let me set time to 00:something |
| 22:09.01 | VDVsx | lardman, until next weekend |
| 22:09.03 | lcuk | 12 |
| 22:09.05 | lardman | foolish as I've got lots on though |
| 22:09.07 | lcuk | am/pm only remember |
| 22:09.09 | lcuk | no 24hr |
| 22:09.18 | lardman | VDVsx: ok, I should get a chance to look before then |
| 22:09.20 | lcuk | you shouldnt be alone |
| 22:11.51 | VDVsx | we will know the primary slot number around friday, so we have to assigned mentor to the proposal that we will host before monday |
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| 22:13.13 | lardman | np, I thought the deadline was yesterday or thereabouts, I want to at least be able to take a look and give some criticism if needed beforehand |
| 22:13.43 | hellwolf | Is it able to play rmvb file on n810? |
| 22:13.47 | VDVsx | lardman, at least to the barcode proposals :P |
| 22:13.58 | lardman | yeah ;) |
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| 22:15.53 | lardman | laughs at lyrics of latest Lily Allen song |
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| 22:16.46 | tds5016 | I've got an n810, but this still seems like it will work... |
| 22:17.00 | tds5016 | can someone PLEASE help me get the damned sdp file right? |
| 22:17.00 | tds5016 | haha. |
| 22:17.02 | tds5016 | http://web.media.mit.edu/~lifton/snippets/n800_to_sl/ |
| 22:18.18 | lardman | might be better to email that chap directly, not sure many people here will know how |
| 22:19.17 | lcuk | "Only the owner of a parcel of land in Second Life can determine if media can be streamed to the land and which URLs they are streamed from." |
| 22:19.32 | lcuk | i gather you have checked that aspect of it out |
| 22:22.54 | zakkm | heh |
| 22:22.58 | zakkm | SL ? :p |
| 22:23.04 | zakkm | you guys play |
| 22:23.17 | lcuk | not at all |
| 22:23.27 | lcuk | full of furries and flying penises |
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| 22:24.09 | GAN8001 | lcuk is a flying penis |
| 22:24.14 | lardman | play, surely that verb would offend a true "second lifer"?! ;) |
| 22:24.31 | tds5016 | lcuk: I'm not trying to send it to second life. |
| 22:24.32 | tds5016 | hahaha! |
| 22:24.34 | lardman | hey GAN8001 |
| 22:24.34 | zakkm | i remember second life in the office |
| 22:24.41 | tds5016 | I'm trying to stream from darwin streaming server. |
| 22:24.41 | zakkm | where each of them make a character that looks like them |
| 22:24.42 | GAN8001 | Hi, lardman. |
| 22:24.46 | lardman | I only really remember Doom3 |
| 22:24.59 | tds5016 | I have no IDEA what in the hell to put for some of this stuff in the sdp file. |
| 22:24.59 | tds5016 | haha. |
| 22:25.09 | lardman | my office must be far more destructive :) |
| 22:25.51 | lcuk | tds5016, so let me get this straight, you want to recv data from some server out there on the internet and display on your tablet? |
| 22:26.06 | tds5016 | no, other way around. |
| 22:26.16 | lcuk | and you are looking at a site to upload a live stream from your tablet to some furry infested game |
| 22:26.27 | tds5016 | I believe I'm correctly sending an rtp stream to the server. |
| 22:26.33 | zakkm | hahhh |
| 22:26.37 | tds5016 | I want to be able to view what is being captured by the n810 |
| 22:26.39 | zakkm | lcuk: lol |
| 22:26.58 | tds5016 | lcuk: no.... I don't want second life to be apart of this at all... |
| 22:26.59 | tds5016 | haha. |
| 22:27.20 | tds5016 | I want to be able to view the video on n number of client machines. |
| 22:27.28 | tds5016 | and then archive the video once the stream is complete. |
| 22:27.40 | zakkm | vlc streaming might work? |
| 22:27.41 | lcuk | tds5016, you say you are correctly sending out the stream |
| 22:27.52 | tds5016 | lcuk: as far as I can tell. |
| 22:28.01 | lcuk | doesnt that mean you then have to sit at the other end and work out why its not recving furry photos |
| 22:28.17 | zakkm | vlc has native maemo support doesn it? like they came out with a official maemo port |
| 22:28.20 | tds5016 | lcuk: I can't get the stream to be read on the other end, because I can't get the gstreamer pipline to read it correct. |
| 22:28.27 | fireun | tds5016: still havnt worked it out, eh? |
| 22:28.41 | tds5016 | fireun: nope. getting semi-frustrated at this point. haha. |
| 22:29.47 | tds5016 | lcuk: do you think you can help? |
| 22:29.55 | tds5016 | PS this isn't going to second life... |
| 22:29.56 | tds5016 | haha. |
| 22:30.18 | zakkm | so where did secondlife come from? |
| 22:30.34 | tds5016 | the tutorial is the only thing that deal with second life. |
| 22:30.46 | tds5016 | the fact that it has an sdp file up is also something to do iwth it. |
| 22:30.56 | tds5016 | the infrastructure is more or less the same as well, I do believe. |
| 22:31.13 | tds5016 | I'm sending an rtp stream to the darwin streaming server. |
| 22:31.14 | lcuk | incase you think im joking by the way http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=30420&in_page_id=34 |
| 22:31.29 | lcuk | tds5016, ive seen the streaming done only with gtalk |
| 22:31.52 | lcuk | ive heard its possible but cannot actually help |
| 22:31.59 | tds5016 | darwin streaming server should be able to use the sdp to read the stream. |
| 22:32.28 | lardman | lcuk: lol |
| 22:32.47 | tds5016 | this project is actually going to be used for emergency events... nothing to do with that... so we can not talk about furries... |
| 22:32.49 | tds5016 | haha, |
| 22:32.49 | Macer | well.. let's see if this crap works :) |
| 22:32.52 | zakkm | heh |
| 22:33.11 | zakkm | wait wait wait |
| 22:33.26 | zakkm | emergency events, and your relying on a n800/810 camera? |
| 22:33.48 | lardman | ah, that youtube link doesn't work :( |
| 22:34.06 | zakkm | im sure if you played, it wouldnt be hard to see it for real ;p |
| 22:34.22 | lardman | is afraid of going to YouTube site and searching for "Pink penis attack" |
| 22:34.28 | lardman | :D |
| 22:34.31 | tds5016 | zakkm: as of now it's a a proof of concept. |
| 22:34.48 | zakkm | pointless though, cause i dont see what you gain if it does work |
| 22:34.53 | zakkm | maybe its just me |
| 22:35.14 | lcuk | tds5016, http://snippets.dzone.com/posts/show/6193 |
| 22:35.18 | mavhc | secondlife is full of weird sex the same way irc is full of paedophiles, ie only on tv |
| 22:35.18 | lcuk | that looks promising |
| 22:35.19 | zakkm | ah the good game of starcraft |
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| 22:35.25 | zakkm | ive been in the same game for over 2 hours |
| 22:35.39 | tds5016 | zakkm: as of now it's being used for research. |
| 22:35.53 | tds5016 | it's a pretty complex project.... maemo was the easiest to develop for. |
| 22:35.56 | zakkm | wooh vlc :) |
| 22:36.04 | zakkm | but the camera is crap |
| 22:36.06 | zakkm | no offense |
| 22:36.32 | lcuk | camera is a sensor. you learn to adapt and you do the best you can :) |
| 22:36.33 | zakkm | i guess you can do mer x86 . .and use a normal webcam perhaps but still |
| 22:36.41 | lcuk | just like if you are born with one very snowy eye |
| 22:36.41 | tds5016 | lcuk: thanks. What would the sdp file look like for that? |
| 22:37.02 | zakkm | yeah but for emergency situations, relying on the n800/810 camera.. would you do that lcuk? |
| 22:37.03 | lcuk | i dunno i have never setup gstreamer like that before and dont have linux desktop to play on or anything |
| 22:37.18 | lcuk | if its an emergency id prefer something than nothing |
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| 22:37.26 | zakkm | i mean the tablet is good, video chat is nice , it serves its purpose.. but past tabelt stuff i dont see it as good |
| 22:37.47 | tds5016 | this isn't in the field.... this is for original development, and for an understanding of how to design a device like it to be functional. |
| 22:37.59 | tds5016 | it's being set up as part of a testing platform :-) |
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| 22:39.41 | tds5016 | lcuk: if that works, I'm gonign to nut myself. thanks lcuk |
| 22:39.58 | lcuk | good luck with your project |
| 22:40.02 | tds5016 | thanks! |
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| 22:48.49 | lcuk | mental note: do not search google for flying penis attack whilst logged in again |
| 22:49.14 | Macer | hm |
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| 22:51.59 | lardman | lol |
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| 23:07.39 | Macer | well |
| 23:07.44 | Macer | i hope this zimbra hackery works |
| 23:07.50 | Macer | heh.. then i'll be just about done |
| 23:10.01 | Macer | so far i was able to change the log for the login.. i need to figure out how to change a few more things |
| 23:20.46 | lfelipe | lcuk: the kasparov video ? |
| 23:21.17 | tds5016 | http://snippets.dzone.com/posts/show/6193 that is not working... does anyone have any ideas as to why that wouldn't work on an n810? |
| 23:22.19 | tds5016 | what sucks is that I know if I don't use h263, and I use h264 this works like a charm. |
| 23:22.52 | tds5016 | there doesn't appear to be anything for h264 on the gstreamer port to maemo |
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| 23:25.44 | Robot101 | tds5016: there's only a decoder for h264, not an encoder |
| 23:26.07 | tds5016 | Robot101: on maemo; I know... that's why I'm using h263. |
| 23:26.16 | Robot101 | tds5016: there's not enough CPU power to encode h264 |
| 23:26.17 | tds5016 | it's soooo frustrating that htat doesn't work. |
| 23:26.28 | Robot101 | oh, right |
| 23:26.36 | Robot101 | why not use the video call app? :) |
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| 23:26.44 | tds5016 | is there aynone else with an n810? |
| 23:26.55 | tds5016 | Robot101: I'm doing a bit more with the stream other than just streaming. |
| 23:26.56 | tds5016 | haha. |
| 23:26.56 | Robot101 | the N810 / N800 hw is very, very similar. its probably a software defect rather than anything to do with the hardware |
| 23:27.13 | Robot101 | (like, we developed all of the N810 software on N800s) |
| 23:27.32 | tds5016 | huh? |
| 23:27.45 | tds5016 | oh, gotchya. |
| 23:27.53 | zakkm | the n800/810 are very weak |
| 23:27.55 | tds5016 | are you able to get streaming working with that? |
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| 23:28.14 | Robot101 | well, using our software, yes. never tried to do it with gst-launch. |
| 23:28.19 | Robot101 | anyway, gotta sleep |
| 23:28.20 | Robot101 | good luck |
| 23:28.40 | tds5016 | heh, it'll eventually be wrapped in python. |
| 23:28.54 | Robot101 | you can drive telepathy from python too |
| 23:29.01 | Robot101 | see call.py in telepathy-python/examples |
| 23:29.31 | tds5016 | Robot101: I need to be able to archive the files. |
| 23:29.36 | tds5016 | as well as stream them. |
| 23:29.51 | Robot101 | archive them on the N810? |
| 23:29.57 | tds5016 | no. on the server. |
| 23:30.05 | tds5016 | that they're being sent to. |
| 23:30.14 | Robot101 | so just put something together using telepathy-farsight which tees the output to a file |
| 23:30.48 | wjt | Robot101: tpfs notably not in diablo |
| 23:31.18 | tds5016 | no, I mean I need to archive the file on the server, not locally. |
| 23:31.24 | Robot101 | wjt: yes, the server also not running diablo. |
| 23:31.37 | Robot101 | http://git.collabora.co.uk/?p=user/sjoerd/telepathy-python.git;a=blob;f=examples/call.py;h=b09762be34d571a8849a845d612bf75909cd03c3;hb=refs/heads/tpfs |
| 23:31.51 | wjt | Robot101: a fair point, well made. |
| 23:31.57 | Robot101 | you can receive/place a call with that using telepathy, and the client built in to the N810 |
| 23:32.02 | wjt | goes to see the captain. |
| 23:32.07 | Robot101 | anyway, I am sleeping now too :) |
| 23:32.14 | tds5016 | I'd really prefer to just be able to have this thing streamed with straight gstreamer :-( |
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| 23:37.27 | lardman | night all |
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