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| 00:51.25 | Macer | yawn. |
| 00:56.44 | jaem | yawns back |
| 00:57.13 | timelE61i | fWiw |
| 00:57.24 | timelE61i | I've unsubscribed from community |
| 00:57.29 | timelE61i | Tell that idiot thanks |
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| 00:58.46 | Prct | Is there someone here that uses Pluthon for development? |
| 01:00.01 | fireun | whats so special? |
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| 01:01.10 | fireun | does everything BUT write the paper that is due tomorrow |
| 01:01.45 | jaem | fireun: me too... >_< |
| 01:05.44 | timelE61i | gan/jaffa: "goodbye" |
| 01:05.48 | timelE61i | Thanks for all the fish |
| 01:08.02 | fireun | jaem: it'll probably be blasted out at the eleventh hour |
| 01:08.29 | jaem | fireun: :P |
| 01:08.50 | fireun | hates writing papers on topics that have no valid reason to be written about, other than to satisfy some idiot teachers vapid need for work to be done to grade |
| 01:08.57 | jaem | what's the topic? |
| 01:09.10 | fireun | "Personal Success" |
| 01:09.16 | jaem | haha... ouch |
| 01:09.17 | fireun | gah |
| 01:09.20 | jaem | indeed |
| 01:09.28 | jaem | what's your major? |
| 01:09.37 | fireun | engineering |
| 01:09.48 | jaem | is taking the same |
| 01:09.54 | fireun | speech 111 core req |
| 01:09.57 | jaem | which branch of engineering? |
| 01:10.09 | fireun | not totally solid on that yet |
| 01:10.20 | fireun | its more a process of elimination (: |
| 01:10.29 | fireun | not electrical and probably not mechanical |
| 01:10.46 | jaem | ah... I'm doing the Computer/Electronic route |
| 01:10.49 | fireun | maybe environmental emphasis |
| 01:10.49 | jaem | lots of fun |
| 01:11.01 | fireun | eh, I've been a paid coder, I'm over it |
| 01:11.22 | jaem | it's not the same as software engineering |
| 01:11.33 | jaem | although you could get a job of that sort, potentially |
| 01:11.33 | fireun | electronics is still a diffuse field |
| 01:11.48 | jaem | it's essentially EE, with more CS thrown in than normal |
| 01:11.51 | fireun | computer science is still computer science |
| 01:11.58 | jaem | this is engineering science |
| 01:12.01 | jaem | with a bit of CS |
| 01:12.08 | jaem | it is distinct |
| 01:12.08 | fireun | mmhmm |
| 01:12.18 | fireun | semantics |
| 01:12.22 | jaem | lol |
| 01:12.29 | jaem | not really |
| 01:12.51 | jaem | it just focusses on hardware *and* software, as opposed to just the former |
| 01:13.26 | fireun | I was an embedded systems programmer, which is the grey concrete in between those two |
| 01:13.33 | jaem | hehe |
| 01:13.42 | jaem | at any rate, my uni is better about irrelevant classes |
| 01:14.03 | jaem | they give each faculty certain requirements that have to be met in their curriculum, and leave the implementation up to them |
| 01:14.17 | fireun | two of the five classes I'm taking this term I could drop and not miss anything |
| 01:14.21 | jaem | so Engineering has "writing" courses, but not "english" courses, for example |
| 01:14.39 | fireun | sure, tho an english class does fall into the "diversity" section |
| 01:14.40 | jaem | and Arts majors have to take math courses, but not academic ones |
| 01:14.53 | jaem | true |
| 01:14.55 | fireun | and more eng than sci, yes |
| 01:14.56 | fireun | ditto |
| 01:14.58 | jaem | and we can take them as electives |
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| 01:15.50 | jaem | I have to do something useful now... |
| 01:15.57 | fireun | well, sp111 fit my schedule this term |
| 01:16.01 | fireun | unfortunatly |
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| 01:24.08 | mib_dc1748ye | Hi |
| 01:24.32 | mib_dc1748ye | Any mentor here? |
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| 01:47.33 | fireun | would this work on a NIT ? - http://i.gizmodo.com/5194883/hands-on-jabra-halo-bluetooth-headset-really-really-slim |
| 01:57.50 | jaem_afk | I'm not sure of the current status of stereo bluetooth audio on Maemo at the moment |
| 01:58.13 | jaem_afk | but this should work if ad2p works in general |
| 01:58.15 | jaem_afk | I would think |
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| 02:05.24 | nikosapi | Hi, I know it's late, but would anyone care to look over a GSOC proposal? |
| 02:06.36 | nikosapi | I'm going to post it to maemo-developers but I figured you guys could give it a quick look-over first :) |
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| 02:32.58 | fireun | nikosapi: I'm not a dev, but I could suggest that you at least post a title, to pique someone's interest, or at least narrow down who would respond. |
| 02:33.36 | fireun | nikosapi: kinda like when someone asks if they can ask a question. |
| 02:33.45 | fireun | it'd be better just to state the question. |
| 02:33.53 | nikosapi | I posted it to the mailing list, but here's a link: http://nikosapi.org/stuff/gsoc-formatted.txt |
| 02:35.08 | nikosapi | heh, you're right that was very vague :) |
| 02:35.27 | nikosapi | It's about integrating gPodder and Panucci for Maemo if anyone's interested |
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| 02:40.14 | fireun | well... I still have to look up what those two things are, but then... I'm just a lurker here (: |
| 02:40.49 | nikosapi | Do you listen to podcasts? |
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| 02:41.14 | fireun | not for the last couple years (: |
| 02:41.58 | fireun | so, podcast aggregator and audiobook player app? |
| 02:42.07 | nikosapi | ah, gPodder is a podcast downloading application and Panucci is a media player made specifically for podcasts and audiobooks |
| 02:42.20 | nikosapi | exactly |
| 02:42.45 | fireun | are audiobook apps so different than media players? |
| 02:42.59 | fireun | or is it a disabled access issue? |
| 02:43.23 | nikosapi | kinda, the big difference is that an audiobook player will remember where you are in a file |
| 02:43.50 | fireun | ah, stateful |
| 02:43.51 | nikosapi | and Panucci also allows you to make bookmarks throughout the file |
| 02:44.24 | fireun | so integration to what level? |
| 02:44.44 | fireun | as in same app, or just dbus tricks? |
| 02:45.09 | nikosapi | yes, integration over dbus |
| 02:45.49 | nikosapi | the problem is gPodder, it needs a lot of work before we can even expose an api over dbus |
| 02:45.53 | fireun | "And it integrates well with gPodder." |
| 02:46.09 | nikosapi | hahaha |
| 02:46.12 | fireun | so what would you be adding? |
| 02:47.08 | nikosapi | I'd be separating gPodder's GUI from the backend libs and then adding the API on top of the backend |
| 02:47.24 | nikosapi | then the fun beings :D |
| 02:48.44 | nikosapi | From that point you'll have access to all kinds of data from gPodder through Panucci which will make the Panucci user experience much better |
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| 02:51.34 | fireun | thanks for explaining further, I'm reluctant to claim that it is a clear win, but I've certainly seen worse (: |
| 02:52.02 | nikosapi | that's what I feared, it's not a very "sexy" project |
| 02:53.12 | nikosapi | It was still good proposal-writing practice :) |
| 02:53.16 | fireun | cant say I've heard the mob clamoring for it, but you never know |
| 02:53.39 | fireun | or I should say, >I< never know |
| 02:54.20 | fireun | the biggest challenge is having the passion to see a project thru, so as long as you are excited about the effort, its worth pursuing |
| 02:54.50 | fireun | there are more than a few things that I've thought would be fantastic projects, but there's no way I'd want to take on the effort... (: |
| 02:55.34 | nikosapi | everything in that proposal is going to get done one way or another, the GSOC would be a nice way to make that all happen more quickly |
| 02:57.51 | fireun | bookmarks in ebooks/podcasts would be nice, especially if you could refer the "clips" so bookmarked to other people |
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| 02:58.06 | fireun | marking up audio, in a way |
| 02:58.42 | Luke-Jr2 | how do i chat w/ the telepathy irc thing? |
| 02:59.05 | fireun | Luke-Jr2: with a spoon? |
| 02:59.26 | Luke-Jr2 | -.- |
| 03:00.08 | nikosapi | I've used pidgin and xchat for irc on the NIT, never telepathy sorry... |
| 03:00.23 | Luke-Jr2 | :/ |
| 03:00.32 | Luke-Jr2 | it's luke-n810 |
| 03:01.18 | Luke-Jr2 | ok, better question |
| 03:01.30 | Luke-Jr2 | why doesn't xmpp auth anymore? |
| 03:01.45 | Luke-Jr2 | i verified the pass is rightt |
| 03:02.06 | fireun | insufficient information |
| 03:02.28 | Luke-Jr2 | 'Authentication failed' |
| 03:03.02 | Luke-Jr2 | i'd love more info, too ;) |
| 03:03.16 | fireun | xmpp auth with what server? |
| 03:03.25 | fireun | xmpp is kinda generic |
| 03:03.31 | Luke-Jr2 | dashjr.org |
| 03:03.37 | Luke-Jr2 | ejabberd |
| 03:03.50 | fireun | I would bug the dashjr.org admin then |
| 03:03.54 | Robot101 | Luke-Jr2: loudmouth has a bug which has been exposed by recent ejabberd updates |
| 03:03.55 | Robot101 | :( |
| 03:04.05 | Robot101 | I need to get on N about pushing an update |
| 03:04.12 | Luke-Jr2 | gah |
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| 03:04.21 | Luke-Jr2 | fire thats me |
| 03:04.33 | fireun | roger |
| 03:04.47 | Luke-Jr2 | and as robot101 said, its a n810 bug |
| 03:04.59 | Luke-Jr2 | everything else works |
| 03:05.01 | fireun | the n890 will fix it (; |
| 03:05.24 | Luke-Jr2 | -.- |
| 03:05.26 | fireun | is slightly unstable with the pressure of a looming paper deadline |
| 03:05.40 | Luke-Jr2 | so i get a refund for n810? |
| 03:05.42 | Luke-Jr2 | ;) |
| 03:05.54 | fireun | Luke-Jr2: sure, just send to the following address |
| 03:06.07 | Luke-Jr2 | >.> |
| 03:06.17 | fireun | yeah, ME |
| 03:06.20 | fireun | d-: |
| 03:06.38 | Luke-Jr2 | robot101 any workaround? |
| 03:07.01 | fireun | Luke-Jr2: and I'll send you a replacement n770 thereafter |
| 03:07.31 | Robot101 | Luke-Jr2: can you ping me here tomorrow? i gotta sleep now |
| 03:07.35 | Luke-Jr2 | fireun take some logic classes ;) |
| 03:07.41 | Robot101 | Luke-Jr2: I just mailed the Nokia rtcom guys to ask if we can push an update somehow |
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| 03:08.17 | Robot101 | Luke-Jr2: otherwise, I need to get one of our lm guys to do a release we can build on the sdk and put onto maemo.org or something |
| 03:08.24 | Robot101 | but its 4am |
| 03:08.25 | Robot101 | --> sleep |
| 03:08.31 | Luke-Jr2 | :( |
| 03:09.00 | fireun | Luke-Jr2: logic does tend to squash sillyness |
| 03:09.29 | Luke-Jr2 | sigh |
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| 04:24.17 | Lanza | im not sure |
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| 04:26.45 | fireun | Lanza: can you be more specific? |
| 04:27.46 | Lanza | sorry, i fixed it |
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| 06:19.42 | StsN800 | heh, gsoc prposals 'some of them very well written and complete' |
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| 06:56.11 | fireun | yay, 11th hour paper finished |
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| 07:37.18 | jaem_N810 | hello folks |
| 07:37.39 | Garfeild | re |
| 07:38.12 | jaem_N810 | so... any good ideas for prying the lens cap off of a traffic light without stabbing myself? |
| 07:38.38 | jaem_N810 | ...on reflection, that probably needs some context |
| 07:39.39 | jaem_N810 | I have a Green light (legally obtained), and they've sealed the green cover on quite well, with gray goo |
| 07:39.54 | jaem_N810 | any suggestions? :P |
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| 07:47.43 | RST38h | you made it more boring, jaem |
| 07:48.09 | RST38h | but I would use a file on that goo |
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| 07:58.32 | jaem_N810 | RST38h: I would, but it has a lip, with almost no spacing |
| 07:58.50 | jaem_N810 | I tried scraping it out, but it's too elastic |
| 07:59.20 | jaem_N810 | the most probable reason it has been retired is a few dead LEDs |
| 07:59.54 | jaem_N810 | from the other's I've seen, getting it to power up shouldn't be too difficult, but I'll have to take off the cover |
| 08:00.01 | jaem_N810 | thanks for the idea, though |
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| 08:05.33 | b0unc3 | good morning |
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| 08:08.37 | aquatix | jeez_away: trying to make it suitable for your front lawn? |
| 08:08.57 | aquatix | so you can put it to red when you want to leave your home comfortably? :) |
| 08:11.12 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 08:11.36 | RST38h | jaem: if it is too elastic, use a niddle to pierce it, then tear |
| 08:11.43 | RST38h | s/niddle/needle/ |
| 08:12.01 | jaem_N810 | RST38h: excellent idea - that might just work |
| 08:12.03 | jaem_N810 | thanks |
| 08:12.27 | jaem_N810 | I didn't want to have to take my problem over to #trafficlightdisassembly |
| 08:12.33 | jaem_N810 | they'd call me a noob |
| 08:12.35 | jaem_N810 | :P |
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| 08:14.18 | x29a_ | i did join |
| 08:14.20 | RST38h | http://www.pyongyangtrafficgirls.com/ <--- ! |
| 08:15.10 | jaem_N810 | RST38h: dare I ask? |
| 08:15.13 | aquatix | RST38h: whoa |
| 08:15.26 | jaem_N810 | I'll take that as a no |
| 08:15.30 | RST38h | jaem: No, you can't have my URL sources. |
| 08:15.49 | aquatix | those women are scary |
| 08:15.57 | jaem_N810 | RST38h: I don't /want/ to |
| 08:16.01 | jaem_N810 | >_< |
| 08:16.09 | x29a | guess shell tell you in other situations as well where to go |
| 08:16.15 | RST38h | aquatix: Have I ever quoted something that wasn't? =) |
| 08:16.24 | aquatix | not sure |
| 08:16.28 | aquatix | i didn't keep track :) |
| 08:16.32 | jaem_N810 | RST38h: not while I've been around |
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| 08:17.24 | jaem_N810 | g'night, #maemo |
| 08:17.29 | jaem_N810 | thanks again |
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| 08:17.37 | aquatix | meh, nn |
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| 08:39.30 | aquatix | whoa: http://hollywoodphony.wordpress.com/2009/03/27/i-am-salieri/ |
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| 08:53.36 | wazd | hello world |
| 08:54.15 | zakkm | stood in programming class wondering if world ever replied back to hello |
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| 08:57.24 | RST38h | hello wazd |
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| 08:57.56 | RST38h | wazd: Found a problem with the menu image: the icons are not evenly spaced |
| 08:58.22 | RST38h | wazd: they are all 115x115, but vertical positions vary a bit |
| 08:58.49 | RST38h | wazd: if you center every icon inside its respective 160x160 spot, will it still look ok? |
| 08:59.56 | wazd | RST38h: not quite |
| 09:00.31 | wazd | RST38h: spaces between buttons will be lrger than border spacing |
| 09:01.01 | wazd | RST38h: it looks not so nice |
| 09:01.07 | lardman | morning all |
| 09:01.13 | wazd | lardman: hey |
| 09:01.41 | lardman | hi wazd |
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| 09:02.17 | lardman | choices, choices, read about 2D phase unwrapping or debug MATLAB mex files, what a wonderful day |
| 09:02.52 | RST38h | wazd: Ok, how about keeping them grouped at the center, but spacing them evenly at some nice-to remember coordinates? |
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| 09:05.08 | RST38h | wazd: like 40, 180, 320 horizontally and 20,160,... vertically (assuming that icons are all 120x120) |
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| 09:10.35 | Myrtti | blach. |
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| 09:19.38 | LiraNuna | anyone knows this site? https://www.cell2get.com |
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| 09:33.58 | lcuk | Myrtti, legs ok now? |
| 09:34.11 | Myrtti | could be better, but am okish |
| 09:34.47 | lcuk | good, you just need to tour ikea a few more times ;) |
| 09:34.53 | lcuk | walk it off :P |
| 09:35.17 | lcuk | my missus loves that place |
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| 09:58.53 | Khertan1 | Hello |
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| 10:00.44 | qgil | scoop: https://maemo.org/news/announcements/developer_call_mozilla_maemo_danish_weekend/ |
| 10:01.46 | Stskeeps | hehe, was waiting for that :) |
| 10:01.56 | qgil | argh: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/developer_call_mozilla_maemo_danish_weekend/ |
| 10:01.59 | qgil | that "s" |
| 10:03.04 | lcuk | w00000t qgil :D |
| 10:03.21 | lcuk | Stskeeps, you better have some danish bacon there :P |
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| 10:03.37 | Stskeeps | we have plenty of danish bacon. |
| 10:03.38 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:04.40 | qgil | ok, and now I will try to make my first itt news.... anything better than the current top post :) |
| 10:05.17 | qgil | if someone wants to help, I didn't have time to populate with links http://wiki.maemo.org/MozillaMaemoDanishWeekend |
| 10:05.17 | Stskeeps | hehe, yeah |
| 10:05.18 | lcuk | use the top post to time yourself replacing the top post |
| 10:05.22 | qgil | at least one to the Mer project ;) |
| 10:09.30 | RST38h | EHLOs qgil |
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| 10:12.17 | sampo | hey does anyone know what could be problem in my sb becouse name resolving doesnt work and it does work outside sb.. my resolv.conf in sb is the same as it is outside sb... |
| 10:12.47 | qgil | well, I can't find my login/psw for the ITt blog, so EOF |
| 10:14.37 | jumpula | sampo: check nsswitch.conf as well |
| 10:16.39 | timelE61i | qGil: never againm |
| 10:17.24 | sampo | jumpula: it looks the same, but it still cant resolv dns.. |
| 10:18.40 | jumpula | looks the same or is the same? :) |
| 10:18.56 | jumpula | well, no need to be same |
| 10:19.11 | sampo | jumpula: host: line atleast |
| 10:19.23 | jumpula | but a line like hosts: files dns should be nice inside sb |
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| 10:19.59 | jumpula | no mdns4_minimal mdns4 and absolutely no [NOTFOUND=return] before dns |
| 10:20.13 | sampo | thats the problem |
| 10:20.15 | sampo | :) |
| 10:20.48 | sampo | jumpula: hosts: dns files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] mdns4 nis nisplus |
| 10:20.52 | sampo | still wont work |
| 10:20.58 | jumpula | just put there: |
| 10:21.05 | jumpula | hosts: files dns |
| 10:21.19 | jumpula | (inside sb9 |
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| 10:21.43 | qgil | well, at least http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=277043 |
| 10:21.43 | sampo | it was that way before i started to edit it :) |
| 10:21.52 | qgil | timelE61i: what never again? |
| 10:22.21 | sampo | jumpula: it should take effect immidiately no need for logging out? |
| 10:22.37 | wazd | qgil: hello |
| 10:22.50 | wazd | qgil: I have a question bout FRUCT cnference) |
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| 10:23.17 | Stskeeps | 'lo qwerty12 |
| 10:23.38 | qwerty12 | hey Stskeeps |
| 10:24.19 | ukki | qwerty12: pong |
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| 10:25.10 | qwerty12 | ukki, I just wanted to ping you on: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=276920&postcount=125 |
| 10:25.44 | jumpula | sampo: yes |
| 10:26.26 | ukki | qwerty12: k, thanks |
| 10:27.53 | sampo | jumpula: well it is weird... it used to work just fine... could it be something wrong with my network? |
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| 10:29.08 | jumpula | you changed the entry to list only files and dns? |
| 10:30.09 | jumpula | that is, changed the file inside scratchbox to list that |
| 10:30.14 | sampo | in nsswitch.conf yeas |
| 10:30.49 | sampo | what do you mean...in that file it has now: hosts: files dns |
| 10:31.29 | jumpula | [sbox-maemo5-armv7: ~] > grep ^hosts /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 10:31.29 | jumpula | hosts: files dns |
| 10:31.33 | sampo | and in resolv.conf i have the same dns's than resolv.conf outside sb |
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| 10:34.14 | sampo | jumpula: it just wont work |
| 10:34.39 | sampo | oh |
| 10:34.53 | jumpula | are the host tools the ones that complain about not being able to resolv names? |
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| 10:35.13 | timelE61i | i will never again join a maemo- list |
| 10:35.30 | qwerty12 | timelE61i, ignorance is bliss |
| 10:35.41 | sampo | jumpula: i edited resolv.conf inside a target.. not outside sb and file /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf |
| 10:35.56 | sampo | now it works :) |
| 10:36.05 | jumpula | yes |
| 10:36.39 | sampo | jumpula: why there are those resolv.conf files inside a taget too? |
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| 10:36.51 | jumpula | target's binaries use them |
| 10:36.57 | sampo | i rember i used to edit only those and it used to work |
| 10:36.58 | jumpula | like normal stuff |
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| 10:37.28 | jumpula | but the host tools have either /scratchbox/tools or /scratchbox/devkits/devkit-name prefix |
| 10:37.57 | sampo | ok.. it was apt-get which wasnt resolving hostname |
| 10:38.02 | jumpula | yes |
| 10:38.19 | sampo | but thanx for help :) |
| 10:38.19 | jumpula | and that comes from debian devkit by default |
| 10:38.36 | sampo | yeah.. is there a way to set one global resolv.conf ? |
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| 10:45.57 | tekojo | timelE61i: what, the obesity discussion? |
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| 10:47.38 | timelE61i | yEs |
| 10:47.44 | timelE61i | I unsubscribed |
| 10:47.57 | timelE61i | I will never again subscribe to a maemo- list |
| 10:48.02 | tekojo | Oh come on |
| 10:48.19 | timelE61i | Tekojo: advocacy is inappropriate |
| 10:48.34 | timelE61i | And i already have enough problems w/ lawyers |
| 10:48.57 | timelE61i | Employees should not be pushed/drawn into positions where they have to deal with them |
| 10:49.03 | tekojo | timel61i: I agree, but unsubscribing rather hurts us all |
| 10:49.12 | timelE61i | Yep |
| 10:49.26 | Stskeeps | heh, last thing i want -community to turn into is debian-legal :> |
| 10:49.32 | timelE61i | Fix your community so you don't lose the next nokian |
| 10:49.37 | timelE61i | You lost this one |
| 10:49.40 | tekojo | I do agree that you shouldn't be put to that position |
| 10:49.56 | timelE61i | That means someone needs a code of conduct |
| 10:50.06 | timelE61i | (council) |
| 10:50.11 | tekojo | but in an open community list it is hard to stop people pre-emptively from saying things |
| 10:50.21 | timelE61i | shrugs |
| 10:50.35 | tekojo | However code of conduct would be good |
| 10:50.42 | Stskeeps | yeah, a code of conduct is missing a bit |
| 10:52.17 | tekojo | Anyone from the council listening? |
| 10:55.12 | RST38h | I think the council needs to moderate the mailing lists and ban people for violating THE RULES! |
| 10:55.27 | RST38h | Also establish the three-strikes-and-you-are-out law. |
| 10:55.51 | RST38h | And do ban preemptively, based on google search for poster's activities |
| 10:56.32 | wazd | Don't think, OBEY! |
| 10:57.10 | wazd | 1st rule) |
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| 11:09.43 | VDVsx | morning all |
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| 11:11.13 | lardman | morning VDVsx |
| 11:12.36 | RST38h | Almost forgot: you do not want random people on those lists, only accept people approved by the majority of council members |
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| 11:37.18 | Stskeeps | wazd: http://wiki.maemo.org/MozillaMaemoDanishWeekend |
| 11:37.24 | Stskeeps | btw (includes mer :) |
| 11:37.45 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Sure, and it should.. |
| 11:38.11 | Stskeeps | hehe, you going to show up as well? |
| 11:39.11 | X-Fade | If all goes according to plan, yes. I intend to at least ;) |
| 11:39.17 | qgil | wazd: any question about FRUCT to Timofey since I know little else than what was announced, thanks! |
| 11:39.31 | lcuk | X-Fade, get a beer shield |
| 11:40.02 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: hehe, will be good to meet up with maemo people - i regret not going to last summit :) |
| 11:40.07 | qgil | timelE61i: Spring has come to Finland, it's mild and sunny out there |
| 11:40.10 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: It would be a nice place to discuss Mer's need for community services.. |
| 11:40.26 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 11:40.45 | Stskeeps | i hope the new flashy 0.11 ui will attract some more people to the project ,heh |
| 11:41.01 | Stskeeps | my masters thesis work load is starting to become bigger and bigger :) |
| 11:41.05 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Well, Mer deserves more spotlight. |
| 11:41.10 | RST38h | Is MeR fully functional on a tablet now? |
| 11:41.23 | Stskeeps | RST38h: oh, it works, boots and runs, connects to wifi, eats your mother in law |
| 11:41.51 | RST38h | Audio works? =) |
| 11:41.55 | Stskeeps | nop, not yet |
| 11:41.58 | X-Fade | Lol, Sebastian cracks me up ;) |
| 11:41.59 | Stskeeps | that's a difficult issue |
| 11:41.59 | RST38h | eh |
| 11:42.33 | Stskeeps | RST38h: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UtcGhei3cA , experiment with xcompmgr |
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| 11:44.04 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Funny to see the cpu monitor go to 100% when doing fancy things ;) |
| 11:44.39 | X-Fade | But at least it gives a nice idea of what can be done with proper .... drivers. |
| 11:44.43 | RST38h | Sts: so slow... |
| 11:45.11 | Stskeeps | RST38h: yeah, xcompmgr and lack of decent X server |
| 11:45.18 | Stskeeps | RST38h: ui is better without effects |
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| 11:46.00 | RST38h | still does not like the task navigator placement |
| 11:46.06 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, no point in uploading transset-df then? ;) |
| 11:46.09 | RST38h | looks awkward |
| 11:46.16 | Stskeeps | RST38h: the mer menu or? |
| 11:48.03 | RST38h | mer menu |
| 11:48.07 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 11:48.15 | Stskeeps | where'd you want it then? it's kinda nice to have in a corner |
| 11:48.19 | RST38h | I really like the traditional Hildon desktop better |
| 11:48.41 | RST38h | The one in Mer currently looks hackish |
| 11:48.47 | lcuk | likes bottom right as well |
| 11:48.55 | Stskeeps | .. bottom right? |
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| 11:49.01 | lcuk | i wish we could have alternative layouts |
| 11:49.07 | lcuk | yeah i dont mind the sidebar |
| 11:49.09 | Stskeeps | we can, mostly |
| 11:49.15 | Stskeeps | but some of it requires a hildon-desktop thing |
| 11:49.26 | lcuk | yeah thats the prob |
| 11:49.58 | lcuk | but i dont mind and will adapt :) |
| 11:50.21 | lcuk | i just cant test properly till i can get a network options dialog working |
| 11:51.08 | wazd | nothing should be at the bottom |
| 11:51.19 | wazd | application controls are at the bottom |
| 11:51.41 | lcuk | wazd, users are different |
| 11:52.03 | lcuk | what you think is one thing, what others think is another - i dont want to have to goto top of screen to task switch |
| 11:52.11 | lcuk | its what ive always said: choice |
| 11:53.09 | RST38h | wazd: he means left-bottom corner |
| 11:53.12 | lcuk | what happens if we allow the panels themselves to be mobile? |
| 11:53.17 | RST38h | wazd: not the bottom bottom :) |
| 11:54.08 | RST38h | basically thinks that the clutter of many-styled icons with different meanings in the top bar makes the whole layout look unprofessional |
| 11:54.11 | lcuk | RST38h, i see nothing wrong with app nobbles along the bottom (like windows does - but spread them dynamically) |
| 11:54.33 | lcuk | but i know thats a big problem because of the way apps work |
| 11:54.39 | lcuk | the sidebar is practical for my uses |
| 11:54.40 | RST38h | lcuk: There is a dumb argument against that. Wanna guess it or should I tell? ;) |
| 11:54.50 | lcuk | ^^^ |
| 11:54.54 | Stskeeps | has his xp taskbar in the top. |
| 11:54.57 | RST38h | not even that |
| 11:55.08 | lcuk | gfi |
| 11:55.14 | RST38h | lcuk: You have already got an elongated screen (i.e. not 4/3) |
| 11:55.26 | lcuk | and? |
| 11:55.28 | RST38h | lcuk: cutting any vertical space makes it more elongated |
| 11:55.44 | lcuk | but thats exactly what the top bar does already |
| 11:55.45 | RST38h | lcuk: which is bad for just about any application other than a video player |
| 11:55.51 | lcuk | just move the bloody thing to the bottom ;) |
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| 11:56.06 | RST38h | lcuk: No, the current ugly top bar uses the same space the old less-ugly top bar took on Maemo |
| 11:56.13 | lcuk | RST38h, we have a solution to the in [FULLSCREEN] |
| 11:56.27 | RST38h | lcuk: Yes, but I wouldlike that space in windowed mode too |
| 11:56.31 | lcuk | yes i know all the issues with screen space |
| 11:56.38 | RST38h | lcuk: MOVING the bar to the bottom isn't a bad idea |
| 11:56.46 | lcuk | then make every portion of every panel optional |
| 11:56.53 | lcuk | yeah thats what i meant |
| 11:57.03 | lcuk | but that gets in the way of app menus (like word selection etc) |
| 11:57.10 | RST38h | But it will still have those ugly icon clutter =( |
| 11:57.14 | lcuk | -menus + choices |
| 11:57.50 | lcuk | it only has ugly icon clutter because its doin ugly stuff, my desktop has 3 icons - battery, wifi and something else |
| 11:58.23 | lcuk | if people have lots of stuff theres no elegent way to minimize it without dynamically resizing icons (which is entirely feasible (H)) |
| 11:58.40 | RST38h | lcuk: No, Mer has got task manager there |
| 11:59.04 | RST38h | lcuk: So it will show all active tasks as icons there, and you can't guarantee that all these icons will look uniformly |
| 11:59.04 | wazd | lcuk: you don't want to go to the top to switch apps?) Well, poor you :) |
| 11:59.09 | lcuk | will have to make a panel demonstration to describe how i feel |
| 11:59.46 | RST38h | thinks the task list has to be all hidden in a single menu |
| 11:59.51 | lcuk | RST38h, spread across available space its not bad :) |
| 12:00.01 | wazd | lcuk: Developers would not write 1000 lines of code for 1 person with some religious restrictions :) |
| 12:00.05 | RST38h | lcuk: urgh. |
| 12:00.21 | timelE61i | qGil: yeah, time for me to go elsewhere :) |
| 12:00.25 | RST38h | wazd: What if he has got a nuke and is ready to launch? =) |
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| 12:00.31 | RST38h | [lcuk, get a nuke, quickly] |
| 12:00.33 | lcuk | wazd? most oses have movable panels and dynamic elements |
| 12:00.45 | lcuk | and what if that religious person can code the 1000 lines himself :) |
| 12:01.19 | wazd | lcuk: none of portable has it |
| 12:01.45 | lcuk | the sidebar has been a practical part of the os now for a long time |
| 12:01.52 | wazd | lcuk: winmo, symbian, blackberry, iphone - none |
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| 12:04.06 | ElPollo | Question: The IPV4 tab in the network connections app in mer, what order are the columns? ip - netmask - gate? |
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| 12:06.18 | lcuk | wazd, dont they all have a single button right near the bottom middle of the screen to bring up menus and controls - most you dont explicitely need to goto the top of the screen for |
| 12:07.11 | wazd | lcuk: well, they don't :) |
| 12:07.45 | wazd | lcuk: winmo - top-right, blackberry - hardware, symbian - hardware, iphone - hardware |
| 12:08.17 | lcuk | winmo depends on the phone model but those models have a "menu" type button in the usual place |
| 12:08.24 | lcuk | winmo ^ |
| 12:08.25 | wazd | winmp - top-left, sorry |
| 12:09.21 | wazd | lcuk: ok, winmo has hardware button too if you mean smartphone edition |
| 12:09.24 | lcuk | doesnt matter anyway, like i said ill play much more and it will evolve, its certainly not any kind of issue |
| 12:10.08 | RST38h | wazd,lcuk: Folks, by now it appears clear that this stuff has to become configurable |
| 12:10.40 | wazd | ok, how can you place mer menu button on the bottom?) |
| 12:11.02 | wazd | I'm just curious |
| 12:11.04 | RST38h | wazd: he really just wants to be able to move the whole top bar to the bottom |
| 12:11.18 | RST38h | wazd: That should pose no problem as it is not taking any extra space |
| 12:11.21 | wazd | RST38h: and it will mess with app's controls? |
| 12:11.22 | lcuk | i dont i know that causes bigger problems |
| 12:11.24 | RST38h | just swaps things aroung |
| 12:11.32 | lcuk | merely expressed the fact i like the sidebar |
| 12:11.35 | RST38h | wazd: the app control bar can be automatically moved up |
| 12:11.36 | VDVsx | thinks winmo UI is the most poorly UI seen so far on a mobile device :P |
| 12:11.48 | RST38h | also likes sidebar btw |
| 12:11.50 | wazd | RST38h: app controlls on the top?) |
| 12:11.58 | RST38h | wazd: yea, why not? |
| 12:12.26 | wazd | RST38h: that needs to improve themes |
| 12:12.26 | RST38h | wazd: but this kind of trick really shouldn't be difficult to achieve |
| 12:12.31 | RST38h | yea |
| 12:12.49 | RST38h | Sts: But no way to return the sidebar? |
| 12:13.35 | lcuk | RST38h, it impacts a lot of things and shock horror thetop bar will then look empty and might need some sort of caption bar for the current application or something ;) |
| 12:13.54 | RST38h | lcuk: Like the original thing :) |
| 12:14.06 | RST38h | lcuk: Although I can trade the title for more status bar space :) |
| 12:14.16 | lcuk | agreed |
| 12:14.28 | lcuk | the little closeup thing feels so wrong |
| 12:14.46 | lcuk | would resize all icons to fit required area |
| 12:15.15 | wazd | And again |
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| 12:15.50 | wazd | I don't understand why the hell a button right under your left thumb would be uncomfortable to you |
| 12:16.52 | lcuk | eh? im left handed, i hold it with my right hand |
| 12:17.19 | lcuk | and i hold it near the bottom of the scree n near the n810 sliding hinge thing |
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| 12:17.25 | lcuk | i dont wrap around the top at all |
| 12:17.26 | wazd | lcuk: so we need an option to reverse the title?) |
| 12:17.26 | RST38h | NOW we know :) |
| 12:18.03 | wazd | lcuk: that's actually much easier than making it movable |
| 12:18.09 | Stskeeps | i'm all for configurability if someone sends a patch. |
| 12:18.24 | Stskeeps | will gladly add it |
| 12:18.49 | Stskeeps | mer = less talking, more doing |
| 12:19.51 | lcuk | wazd,like i said, ill get used to it - i use normal scissors and stuff ;) |
| 12:20.16 | lcuk | and if im really pissed off with something i code around the problem ;) |
| 12:20.25 | lcuk | bbl anyway \o |
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| 12:36.54 | JvA | Hi! Maemo can make use of user-mode filesystems drivers, right? |
| 12:38.23 | qwerty12 | FUSE is in Extras if that is what you mean |
| 12:39.53 | JvA | perfect |
| 12:40.00 | JvA | thanks :) |
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| 12:55.58 | jeez_away | aquatix: I'm sorry ?! |
| 12:56.19 | aquatix | eh? |
| 12:57.01 | aquatix | jeez__: what's up? |
| 12:59.42 | jeez__ | [05:08] <aquatix> jeez_away: trying to make it suitable for your front lawn? |
| 12:59.52 | jeez__ | [05:08] <aquatix> so you can put it to red when you want to leave your home comfortably? :) |
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| 13:00.00 | jeez__ | aquatix: ^^ |
| 13:00.56 | aquatix | ah :) |
| 13:01.10 | aquatix | so you can let the other cars wait till you cross the street |
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| 13:03.19 | jeez__ | aquatix: I'm sorry again :P, but I really don't know what you are talking about! |
| 13:04.23 | aquatix | oh crap |
| 13:04.30 | aquatix | jeez__: sorry, tab error |
| 13:04.50 | aquatix | i meant jaem_N810 |
| 13:05.06 | aquatix | my sincere apologies :) |
| 13:05.33 | jeez__ | aquatix: no problem :) |
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| 13:24.02 | mib_cbsa15ne | any mentor here? |
| 13:24.29 | VDVsx | mib_cbsa15ne, what you need ? |
| 13:24.41 | mib_cbsa15ne | for GSoC |
| 13:25.12 | VDVsx | mib_cbsa15ne, yup |
| 13:26.20 | mib_cbsa15ne | Do we need to specify the deliverables in application right now? |
| 13:27.53 | mib_cbsa15ne | I will like to take up the OpenSocial application |
| 13:28.18 | mib_cbsa15ne | My profile link :http://www.linkedin.com/in/sharmamahesh |
| 13:28.27 | VDVsx | mib_cbsa15ne, yes, you have to reply to all the questions in the student template |
| 13:28.42 | mib_cbsa15ne | I havent worked on Maemo but :'( |
| 13:29.02 | mib_cbsa15ne | I thought I would learn while working. |
| 13:32.01 | riot | i'm looking for a mentor for gsoc. Custom application i'm about to plan/build concerning audio/midi with touch interfaces |
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| 13:33.54 | riot | its not exaaactly maemo-specific because i build it in python, but i already planned (from the beginning) to use it on my n810, so i can actually develop it for maemo first. |
| 13:34.38 | VDVsx | riot, make a proposal :P |
| 13:34.56 | riot | VDVsx: you think it might get accepted? ;) |
| 13:35.41 | VDVsx | riot, dunno, can you explain your project a little bit further ? |
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| 13:38.03 | riot | can do. i already developed a (very stupid) first prototype. It enables to control two midi-parameters via finger touch (and udp to a e.g. windows machine running a virtual synth). Like korg's kaoss devices (thus the project name: Chaoss). But i thought that i could extend it to a way more complete platform by integrating whole sequencers (e.g. http://www.glitchds.com/about/ ) and lots of other ideas |
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| 13:40.35 | VDVsx | riot, seems interesting to me, see also : http://geekpenguin.blogspot.com/2009/03/tablet-music-making.html |
| 13:41.04 | riot | i tried the theremin, its quite going into my direction |
| 13:41.58 | riot | ok, then i'll write a proposal :) |
| 13:42.57 | riot | aah, one thing: what license would this have to be published under? |
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| 13:46.29 | VDVsx | riot, OSI license, choose one :P |
| 13:47.30 | JvA | Someone here who can answer question about Maemo GSoC? |
| 13:47.35 | JvA | questions* |
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| 13:51.24 | riot | VDVsx: i'd like to restrict commercial use, do you think that is possible/acceptable? |
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| 13:52.02 | VDVsx | riot, why ? |
| 13:52.05 | GAN800 | Can somebody fix qgil's camelCase page on the wiki? |
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| 13:52.36 | VDVsx | GAN800, ? |
| 13:53.01 | GAN800 | The Mozilla meetup page on the wiki |
| 13:53.19 | GAN800 | It needs to be moved to a name that's not camelCasr |
| 13:53.43 | fiferboy | lbt: ping |
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| 13:55.52 | VDVsx | frade, pvt ? |
| 13:57.52 | riot | VDVsx: it probably doesn't make much sense to restrict that, but i thought i might eventually found a small company dedicated to manufacturing special studio/live hardware to run the software lateron.. |
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| 13:58.28 | riot | http://www.jazzmutant.com/lemur_overview.php < these things are way expensive, you know ;) |
| 13:59.12 | VDVsx | riot, AGPL v3 can do that, I think, but I'm not a license expert, better check it |
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| 14:02.21 | riot | well its not that important.. i could also work out a nice business model around fully gpl'd code, like special order modules etc. |
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| 14:14.26 | Stskeeps | ok, Internet Call and Chat.. rtcomm/telepathy based and closed source UI, right? |
| 14:15.23 | VDVsx | X-Fade, ping |
| 14:16.44 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, rtcomm isn't really a thing. it's more of a collective name given to the chat, internet call etc. http://repository.maemo.org/rtcomm/pool/diablo/free/ is a nice folder to look at. |
| 14:17.11 | Stskeeps | ok, so what is the internet call stuff? |
| 14:18.19 | Stskeeps | and Quiver is the best images viewer but is closed source? |
| 14:18.30 | qwerty12 | yes |
| 14:18.41 | Stskeeps | k |
| 14:18.46 | qwerty12 | (I would add IMHO but it really is the best but is closed source) |
| 14:18.49 | Stskeeps | is writing 1.0 wishlist) |
| 14:20.04 | Stskeeps | and calculators that aren't ATI? |
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| 14:21.38 | qwerty12 | Maemo calculators are common as anything, the Maemo default one is open source, Galculator has hildon support in it (When I packaged it for Maemo, I just added fullscreen and tap and hold: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/galculator/) |
| 14:21.59 | VDVsx | Anyone here with maemo wiki delete premissions ? |
| 14:23.39 | tank-man | just start an edit war |
| 14:23.46 | tank-man | edit it to what you want |
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| 14:29.01 | lcuk | VDVsx, :O you can delete stuff from a wiki, i thought it existed always and forever - set in stone sorta thing |
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| 14:29.15 | lcuk | everytime i make a cockup, i edit a further 50 pages to lose it in the noise |
| 14:29.43 | VDVsx | lcuk, admin's can |
| 14:29.59 | lcuk | admins are gods :O |
| 14:31.02 | VDVsx | lcuk, I redirected a page instead of moving it, I will be kicked in the next couple of min/hours :( |
| 14:31.26 | lcuk | flogged, tarred and feathered by x-fade no doubt |
| 14:31.38 | lcuk | (after hes finished with qwerty that is) |
| 14:32.08 | VDVsx | and GAN too :( |
| 14:32.41 | lcuk | whats gan done to deserve a flogging? |
| 14:33.45 | VDVsx | lcuk, no, GAN will kick me too :p |
| 14:33.57 | lcuk | hehe |
| 14:34.11 | VDVsx | hide |
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| 14:41.34 | lcuk | new calculator for gsoc proposal: http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/OMGWTF-Finalist-06-OMG!OCRCAL.aspx |
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| 14:43.13 | VDVsx | lcuk, OMG :o |
| 14:44.00 | VDVsx | crazy people, go do something useful :P |
| 14:44.41 | svu__ | alterego, ping? |
| 14:47.22 | lopz | hola |
| 14:52.10 | Stskeeps | hmm, do you believe in a lot of apps preinstalled or basic stuff installed and then downloadable? |
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| 14:54.29 | qwerty12 | I like *some* "good" (but of course: this is my definition of good...) apps installed but I hated Nokia's approach to installing 3rd party apps, those icons in the menu, like "Install Skype?" |
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| 14:55.00 | VDVsx | likes lots of apps to play around, but like to have the best one's in each category instead of 3000 apps doing the same :P |
| 14:55.27 | Stskeeps | as in, i prefer an initial firmware with the basic stuff, connectivity, browser and maybe media player, and application manager to install the rest |
| 14:56.22 | qwerty12 | Well, Extras is available so at least I can get mmpc easily. I'm happy. |
| 14:56.32 | Stskeeps | just pondering how 1.0 should look |
| 14:57.35 | timelE61i | how about a decent file manager? |
| 14:57.42 | lardman | +1 for that |
| 14:57.46 | Stskeeps | ah, yeah |
| 14:57.51 | Stskeeps | we actually have a good candidate |
| 14:57.59 | timelE61i | Really? |
| 14:58.00 | timelE61i | Where? |
| 14:58.06 | Stskeeps | some student was bored enough to write a clone of the Nokia one |
| 14:58.21 | timelE61i | Did he clone its bugs? |
| 14:58.25 | qwerty12 | http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/finefm.png |
| 14:58.27 | timelE61i | hopes not |
| 14:58.29 | Stskeeps | no clue, but at least they're fixable.. |
| 14:58.32 | qwerty12 | Well, it uses libhildonfm... |
| 14:58.40 | timelE61i | that's a bug |
| 14:58.54 | JvA | VDVsx: Can I ask you questions about Maemo GSoC? |
| 14:58.57 | lardman | at least you can specify a path at the top though |
| 14:59.09 | VDVsx | JvA, sure |
| 14:59.17 | JvA | VDVsx: Can I msg you? |
| 14:59.18 | timelE61i | I'm not sure that's a feature |
| 14:59.22 | ShadowJK | The nokia one has this charming habbit when "moving" a file over bluetooth, if the file transfer fails, it still deletes the source file, leaving you at best with the broken destination file :) |
| 14:59.28 | VDVsx | JvA, ok |
| 14:59.30 | timelE61i | The osx behavior is arguably better |
| 14:59.48 | timelE61i | Heh |
| 14:59.51 | Stskeeps | in any case, we're able to hack the living bits out of this one |
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| 15:01.21 | lardman | Stskeeps: how have you dealt with the proprietary bits, or is this looking forward some way? |
| 15:01.33 | lardman | as in the battery stuff, etc |
| 15:02.07 | Stskeeps | lardman: right now we don't have battery stuff, until someone writes a hald-addon-bme based on my writeup on how BME communicates |
| 15:02.17 | Stskeeps | daperl was working on it but got distracted |
| 15:02.34 | Stskeeps | lardman: the software and everything for making "restricted" images is all ready |
| 15:02.35 | Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Proposals/Community_Firmware |
| 15:02.56 | lardman | mumbles about a mailing list being useful to keep up to date ;) |
| 15:03.06 | Stskeeps | yeah.. i know |
| 15:03.31 | lardman | where's your write-up out of interest? |
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| 15:03.50 | Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/BME_Protocol |
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| 15:05.08 | lardman | thanks |
| 15:05.20 | lardman | am off home now, cu all later |
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| 17:19.38 | crashanddie | just a quick question, when the hell are we going to get a unified UI on our n810 |
| 17:20.16 | crashanddie | s/1/x/ |
| 17:20.57 | crashanddie | I mean, seriously, the only reason why I can't be bothered to take my n810 with me anymore is that it's just so dog slow because it has to load 10s of different libraries |
| 17:21.05 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: it's called Mer? :P |
| 17:21.34 | Stskeeps | and library hell is something linux has sadly taken over from windows, heh |
| 17:21.40 | crashanddie | we've had enough time to play around with the beauty of it's openess, how about we all got round to actually building something that looks like a product, and that a stack pile of half finished dong clonked together? |
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| 17:21.54 | crashanddie | it's an its |
| 17:22.16 | crashanddie | s/and that/rather than/ |
| 17:22.27 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: btw, hackfest in copenhagen in end of may, maemo-mozilla-mer |
| 17:23.29 | crashanddie | I'm already taken that weekend, sadly |
| 17:23.31 | Stskeeps | k |
| 17:23.45 | crashanddie | granps 80s anniversary! |
| 17:23.55 | lcuk | i see you got liqbase up and running then seb :P |
| 17:24.38 | crashanddie | lcuk: how about you give me something to play with, and I'll give you an OS that does only that, use liqbase as its graphical interface? |
| 17:25.05 | crashanddie | no shit about loading GTK, QT, Python and all the crap we have running on the n8x0 at the moment |
| 17:25.09 | lcuk | ive given you something to play with, you have the core liqbase library source now :) |
| 17:25.29 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: i vote for qt |
| 17:26.08 | crashanddie | Stskeeps: if this were a 1.2Ghz CPU with 512 megs of ram, I might be inclined to agree with you |
| 17:26.26 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: well if i had qtopia on my silly ipaq 3630.. |
| 17:26.27 | crashanddie | Stskeeps: sadly, it's only a quarter of that |
| 17:26.34 | lcuk | qt isnt slow |
| 17:27.02 | lcuk | i wouldv used it (and still might end up creating a c++ based ui which uses qt object libraries ;) |
| 17:27.42 | crashanddie | lcuk: would liqbase be able to handle say.... 5000 different cells containing a bit of text? |
| 17:27.54 | lcuk | try it :) |
| 17:28.02 | crashanddie | lcuk: would it or not? |
| 17:28.06 | lcuk | yes |
| 17:28.17 | lcuk | not all on screen at once, but yeah on a big tilemap |
| 17:28.17 | crashanddie | i defy anyone to do the same in a Qt window |
| 17:28.21 | lcuk | they can |
| 17:28.23 | lcuk | its easy |
| 17:28.25 | b0unc3_ | hey, there is no substr function in glib ? |
| 17:28.27 | lcuk | theres a super map in qt |
| 17:28.27 | crashanddie | show me |
| 17:28.43 | crashanddie | I've had bad experiences with Qt in the past |
| 17:28.51 | crashanddie | as much as I do believe it has potentiel, I don't think we're there yet |
| 17:29.06 | crashanddie | and sod it, Qt or anything else, I don't give a fuck, not my point |
| 17:29.11 | crashanddie | I want a unified UI |
| 17:30.02 | crashanddie | I don't want to have a beautiful home screen window, which is ruined by ugly big fonts and poorly drawn windows that take up half the screen real estate as soon as I open a browser |
| 17:30.25 | crashanddie | for crying out loud, we have double the pixel density of the iphone, but yet achieve to only display what, a quarter of the information? |
| 17:30.49 | crashanddie | (This rant is brought to you by PowerGen) |
| 17:31.05 | crashanddie | Actually, it isn't, it's inspired by Fennec |
| 17:31.07 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: part of it is from maemo not applying sane theming to non-hildon apps really |
| 17:31.24 | crashanddie | Stskeeps: I know that, trust me I do |
| 17:31.31 | crashanddie | Stskeeps: but having an explanation for it does not excuse it |
| 17:31.40 | Stskeeps | of course not |
| 17:31.49 | Stskeeps | stopped complaining and started doing instead though |
| 17:32.09 | crashanddie | oh, Stskeeps fuck off :P How many times did I come here to complain? |
| 17:32.20 | lcuk | http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009/03/03/performance-and-qt-45/ |
| 17:32.25 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: s/complain/rant/ :P |
| 17:32.39 | crashanddie | And I do help... I give lcuk my unconditionnal support and assistance |
| 17:32.49 | crashanddie | which is worth 5% of $580k |
| 17:32.55 | lcuk | heh |
| 17:32.56 | Stskeeps | hehe |
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| 17:33.24 | lcuk | mmm unconditional you say |
| 17:33.28 | crashanddie | Stskeeps: you think I rant here too often? Wait until you see my blog |
| 17:33.39 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: saw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UtcGhei3cA ? ignore the slow effects |
| 17:33.52 | Stskeeps | and the unthemed top bar |
| 17:34.12 | lcuk | shame you cant tell youtube to play at doublespeed |
| 17:34.16 | lcuk | :D |
| 17:34.33 | crashanddie | Stskeeps: I like that |
| 17:34.47 | JvA | VDVsx: Got some more time? |
| 17:34.56 | crashanddie | Stskeeps: is there a fiasco image ready somewhere allowing me to get Mer easily? |
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| 17:35.17 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: there's a kernel + jffs image but it's kinda experimental still |
| 17:35.26 | Stskeeps | you can also try it on the vmdk |
| 17:35.28 | crashanddie | Stskeeps: I'd contribute to that :) |
| 17:35.30 | Stskeeps | just pop it into vmware or virtualbox |
| 17:35.40 | crashanddie | Nha, sorry, no can do |
| 17:35.50 | Stskeeps | fair enough |
| 17:36.01 | crashanddie | I run 3 VMs from 9AM till 11PM, I can't see the VMware icon after hours |
| 17:36.42 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 17:36.47 | crashanddie | I don't mind experimental |
| 17:36.54 | crashanddie | as long as I can flash back to a usable state |
| 17:37.33 | crashanddie | btw, n810 here, anyone got a place I can buy a minisd to microsd adapter? |
| 17:37.41 | qwerty12_N800 | You can boot from card; or dump your flash |
| 17:37.58 | crashanddie | (that works, I heard sandisk adapters were dodgy at best) |
| 17:38.23 | crashanddie | I'll buy a 16gig microsd right away if someone gets me that :) |
| 17:38.25 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: if flash back meaning reflash using the fiasco image from nokia, sure :P |
| 17:38.33 | crashanddie | Stskeeps: yeah |
| 17:38.43 | crashanddie | Stskeeps: as long as it doesn't brick my device I'm good :) |
| 17:38.58 | Stskeeps | just hope http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcm5TYGwTwU doesn't happen to you |
| 17:39.20 | crashanddie | lmao |
| 17:39.31 | crashanddie | refresh rate fail? |
| 17:39.32 | Stskeeps | (that is btw, my tablet.) |
| 17:39.46 | Stskeeps | no idea |
| 17:39.49 | Stskeeps | synchronization fail |
| 17:40.05 | Stskeeps | it stays stable at times and is unusually effective at getting me awake in the morning |
| 17:40.44 | crashanddie | so? Anyone? |
| 17:40.52 | crashanddie | (mini-sd converter) |
| 17:42.12 | VDVsx | JvA, yup |
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| 17:42.20 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.11testing2 for testing |
| 17:42.22 | Stskeeps | jffs + kernel |
| 17:43.09 | Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Installation#Flashable_Image |
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| 17:47.03 | fiferboy | crashanddie: I've got a Qt program that displays 700000+ cells with text |
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| 17:47.35 | fiferboy | Where you run into problems is when you try dynamically resizing every cell to fit it's contents. That would take a year. |
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| 17:48.00 | Stskeeps | 'lo yerga |
| 17:48.15 | bjv | halp, i cant install anything from repos |
| 17:48.18 | bjv | libwebkit depends on libglib2.12.12-1osso10 but i run 2.12.12-1osso9 |
| 17:48.28 | yerga | Hi Stskeeps |
| 17:48.31 | bjv | and upgrading to 10 will bust my whole system - so im not. |
| 17:48.50 | qwerty12_N800 | bjv: 770? run os2008he on it? |
| 17:48.52 | bjv | despite the dependency, webkit runs fine with 9, - no crashes, no errors |
| 17:49.00 | bjv | qwerty12_N800: this is 2008HE |
| 17:49.10 | qwerty12_N800 | yerga: hey, tried gftp .19 maemo3 yet? :) |
| 17:49.34 | crashanddie | anyone had any issues with sandisk micro -> mini adaptors? |
| 17:49.37 | bjv | even if i could install packages, i dont see an Equivs available in the repo |
| 17:49.41 | bjv | so i cant make a dummy package. |
| 17:49.47 | qwerty12_N800 | bjv: you're out of luck then, glib is newer in diablo - which isn't available for 770 |
| 17:49.53 | yerga | qwerty12_N800, tried maemo1 yesterday, not yet maemo3 |
| 17:50.04 | bjv | what about just suppressing the apt-error |
| 17:50.07 | Stskeeps | ponders to try out testing2 on 770 |
| 17:50.18 | qwerty12_N800 | yerga: cool :) |
| 17:50.27 | bjv | i just want to be able to install other, unrelated packages |
| 17:50.35 | bjv | without having to uninstall/reinstall webkit |
| 17:50.44 | crashanddie | c'mon, got a train to catch |
| 17:50.59 | crashanddie | s/mon/ya/ |
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| 18:37.25 | b0unc3_ | is happy with his home-made g_substr :) |
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| 18:42.45 | lcuk | b0unc3_, doesnt that already exist / |
| 18:43.05 | lcuk | has remade stuffs himself far too often though :D |
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| 18:44.13 | lcuk | throws a lobster @ LinuxCode |
| 18:44.27 | woglinde | hi lcuk |
| 18:44.43 | lcuk | hiya woglinde \o |
| 18:44.46 | lcuk | how goes it |
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| 18:45.22 | b0unc3_ | lcuk: I didn't find it... (in the offical docs) |
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| 18:45.42 | lcuk | heh thats always the way |
| 18:46.50 | woglinde | hm today I learned how to analyze a kernel oops |
| 18:46.53 | woglinde | nifty |
| 18:47.09 | lcuk | not bad at all |
| 18:47.23 | lcuk | misses guru meditations |
| 18:47.46 | LinuxCode | vening lcuk |
| 18:47.47 | LinuxCode | e |
| 18:48.00 | LinuxCode | guru meditation errors ? |
| 18:48.06 | LinuxCode | haha |
| 18:48.12 | LinuxCode | god how annoying those were |
| 18:48.28 | lcuk | they only happened when something was broked |
| 18:48.30 | LinuxCode | kids these days dont know how to appreciate modern computers that dont crash |
| 18:48.49 | lcuk | a crash is considered "normal" |
| 18:48.52 | lcuk | shakes head |
| 18:48.57 | LinuxCode | lcuk, tell my amiga that |
| 18:49.01 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 18:49.41 | lcuk | it was rare to have one |
| 18:49.46 | lcuk | maybe you just mistreated yours :P |
| 18:50.53 | LinuxCode | maybe lol |
| 18:51.11 | LinuxCode | or I spent way too much time on it |
| 18:51.45 | lcuk | probably |
| 18:52.07 | lcuk | has it been sunny down your way |
| 18:53.21 | LinuxCode | yes |
| 18:53.26 | LinuxCode | I mowed the back lawn today |
| 18:54.40 | lcuk | heh are you having a bbq soon |
| 18:54.51 | LinuxCode | doubtful |
| 18:55.00 | LinuxCode | its gonna piss down tomorrow |
| 18:55.09 | lcuk | it was snowing last week |
| 18:55.17 | lcuk | but as soon as the sun came out ppl went to b&q |
| 18:55.26 | LinuxCode | ohh actually it wont |
| 18:56.40 | lcuk | quick! you have 5 minutes before it shuts |
| 18:56.44 | lcuk | they have a sale on lol |
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| 18:57.02 | LinuxCode | sale on sun ? |
| 18:57.24 | lcuk | yeah actually, 7 billion |
| 18:57.30 | lcuk | ibm are checking ;) |
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| 19:01.28 | *** topic/#maemo by VDVsx -> Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog |
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| 19:02.25 | lcuk | evening qgil \o |
| 19:02.52 | qgil | anybody making plans for Copenhagen? I'm interested hearing first impressions about http://maemo.org/news/announcements/developer_call_mozilla_maemo_danish_weekend/ |
| 19:02.54 | VDVsx | lcuk, 42 GSoC + 5 ineligible :) |
| 19:02.58 | qgil | hi lcuk |
| 19:03.11 | lcuk | yeah VDVsx ive been watching |
| 19:03.47 | VDVsx | qgil, can't go to is in the same weekend of my graduation :( |
| 19:03.55 | qgil | argh |
| 19:04.07 | Pavlov | qgil: i'll be there |
| 19:04.08 | Pavlov | :) |
| 19:04.32 | qgil | cool |
| 19:04.33 | lcuk | awww VDVsx, that is a shame, i was hoping you would be there |
| 19:04.54 | Pavlov | qgil: how many people are you expecting? |
| 19:05.20 | lcuk | qgil, since theres some nokians going, are you planning a roadtrip! |
| 19:05.20 | qgil | it's a bit of a mystery since it also depends on the response of the Mozilla side |
| 19:05.26 | qgil | but... 150? |
| 19:05.32 | Pavlov | i'm on the mozilla side, and wondering, heh. |
| 19:05.52 | Pavlov | i guess i should just ask Christian whenever he gets back |
| 19:05.54 | VDVsx | lcuk, don't worry, I will buy you the absinthe bottle in Amsterdam, ahahah |
| 19:06.10 | lcuk | thats for qole, im not really a drinker |
| 19:06.16 | RST38h | wonders what happens if grossly more people come from one of the sides |
| 19:06.20 | qgil | ah, if more people would know how cool Maemo 5 is going to be in-your-hands....... |
| 19:06.30 | lcuk | actually qgil, if theres t-shirts, make sure jussi isnt in charge of selection |
| 19:06.52 | qgil | RST38h: I'm expecting more people from the Maemo side |
| 19:06.54 | lcuk | remembers his threat |
| 19:07.06 | VDVsx | lcuk, I have one, hehe |
| 19:07.18 | lcuk | VDVsx, i have a couple |
| 19:07.20 | qgil | if the Fremantle Stars and the Mer project can get track of their contributors + other consolidated projects like GPodder etc |
| 19:07.21 | lcuk | i wear them when coding |
| 19:07.25 | RST38h | qgil: Hehe =) |
| 19:07.49 | qgil | I would be happy if the council takes over the shirts :) |
| 19:08.12 | lcuk | heh good idea |
| 19:09.23 | lcuk | how was the rally today VDVsx |
| 19:10.08 | VDVsx | lcuk, lots of accidents, gonna see live tomorrow again |
| 19:10.09 | qgil | we need to make sure that people understands that is a Mozilla/Maemo devloper event but not only about MozillaANDMaemo development |
| 19:11.26 | Stskeeps | think i'll put out a reference to the event along with the 0.11 mer release as well, to get some more eyes on it |
| 19:12.00 | lcuk | qgil, but are those mozilla developers gonna showcase their browser stuffs? |
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| 19:12.34 | lcuk | Stskeeps, "free ticket with every download*" |
| 19:12.45 | Stskeeps | qgil: it might help to have the registration list online (think it was like that for the summit?), as well |
| 19:12.59 | lcuk | *entry fee only, you must travel to event under your own steam |
| 19:13.06 | qgil | lcuk: ask the mozillas about their development but I guess so, of course |
| 19:13.17 | lcuk | cool |
| 19:13.22 | Stskeeps | or at least a preliminary participants list on wiki |
| 19:13.28 | qgil | Stskeeps: I though it would be online and visible - I'll ask on Monday |
| 19:15.03 | Pavlov | lcuk: we're working on an agenda, but we'll for sure cover browser stuffs, addons, cool stuff that you can do with maemo in fennec, etc |
| 19:15.30 | lcuk | \m/ :D \m/ |
| 19:15.34 | Pavlov | if you have any things you'd like to be covered specifically, just let me or others know |
| 19:15.50 | qgil | I just remembered that I got admin permission to that registration. 5 people registered now. :) |
| 19:16.14 | Pavlov | there are a lot of european addon developers, wouldn't surprise me to have a lot of them show up |
| 19:16.23 | lcuk | Pavlov, fast and slick is primary |
| 19:16.38 | Pavlov | ah, yes, that should be pretty well covered |
| 19:17.07 | lcuk | excellent |
| 19:18.07 | Stskeeps | also, i might have been a OSS developer for what 9 years now, and it's first now i hear of hackfests - maybe it would be good to state a bit of structure if there is any, beyond developers getting together for various purposes and tasks |
| 19:19.59 | qgil | Stskeeps: it is you who sets the structure :) |
| 19:20.04 | Stskeeps | hehe, okay |
| 19:20.14 | qgil | there will be a schedule based on the input of the projects |
| 19:20.44 | qgil | you can start thinking what do you want for the Mer related activities |
| 19:21.10 | qgil | no worris, we will assemble th pieces of the puzzle in a hopefully meaningful way, as we did at the end with the Maemo Summit |
| 19:21.30 | qgil | the difference is that pure coding should take 50% of the schedule or more, so to say |
| 19:23.31 | Stskeeps | yeah - i have some ideas related to Mer 1.0 - which is the day-to-day usable Mer version, which many probably can find purpose in :P |
| 19:23.58 | lcuk | hacking competition! |
| 19:26.12 | Stskeeps | gah, where is my rs-mmc to sd adaptor.. |
| 19:26.33 | Stskeeps | the one evening i feel like hacking a bit at the 770 port |
| 19:26.43 | lcuk | bbl |
| 19:26.47 | lcuk | cyas in a bit \o |
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| 19:55.23 | Stskeeps | anyone around with 2007HE? or earlier |
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| 19:57.27 | Pio | http://www.pcconnection.com/IPA/Shop/Product/Detail.htm?sku=8179703&oext=1038A&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=8179703 wow they are getting cheap! |
| 19:58.11 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 19:58.36 | Pio | when did that happen, i looked like 6 months ago and they were still $350ish |
| 19:59.21 | Pio | i actually own 3 770s.. it'd be fun to finally move up to the 810 and i cant talk myself out of it by saying "for that money you could get a netbook!" |
| 19:59.26 | Pio | at that price |
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| 20:01.12 | Stskeeps | tries to boot up mer on his 770 |
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| 20:08.43 | Stskeeps | scary, it's actually usable |
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| 20:20.31 | luke-jr | Pio: but a N810 is better than a netbook!@ |
| 20:20.43 | luke-jr | well, it could be if the keyboard didn't suck anyhow |
| 20:20.47 | Pio | yeah, it can be |
| 20:21.20 | Pio | i always wander around with a 770 in my pocket, cant do that with a netbook |
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| 20:33.13 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 20:33.20 | Stskeeps | solved the mystery of the missing menu in control panel |
| 20:33.36 | Stskeeps | there is actually no menu items cos we don't have -DMAEMO_TOOLS (RFS, CUD) |
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| 20:35.20 | Stskeeps | (-> VDVsx ) |
| 20:35.35 | woglinde | ???? |
| 20:36.13 | Stskeeps | woglinde: basically there's a define deciding if maemo tools exist on the system, restore to original state, for instance |
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| 20:42.15 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, I don't have the magical button too, gonna dist-upgrade |
| 20:42.34 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: k, and rm -rf ~/.osso/hildon-desktop and reboot |
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| 20:49.32 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, the UI response in mer 0.11 seems a little bit faster than in 0.9 (specially the app menu) |
| 20:50.22 | Stskeeps | probably also helps a little bit that we removed tty2..9, heh |
| 20:50.27 | Stskeeps | like, login shells on them |
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| 20:52.01 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, the application manager is the new one for fremantle or is a custom made for mer ? |
| 20:52.39 | Stskeeps | .. in between |
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| 20:53.27 | VDVsx | seems similar to the one shown in the maemo 5 on the beagleboard video |
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| 20:54.51 | Stskeeps | it's a snapshot of a fremantle application manager but it has maemo.org community extensions on it |
| 20:55.02 | RST38h | has completed a piece of a job |
| 20:57.31 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: did Jaffa apply yerga's repository patch on it? |
| 20:58.36 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: think so |
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| 20:58.57 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: but i dunno |
| 20:59.04 | qwerty12_N800 | Wicked: It's fkn useful. |
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| 21:16.09 | tds5016 | so... I have a C project that runs on a linux machine. |
| 21:16.18 | tds5016 | how would I go about getting that C program ported to maemo? |
| 21:16.48 | Stskeeps | scratchbox fun |
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| 21:17.00 | tds5016 | what is scratchbox? |
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| 21:17.13 | jakemaheu | complicated |
| 21:17.39 | Stskeeps | tds5016: http://maemo.org/development/ |
| 21:18.39 | tds5016 | haha, now if only this stupid thing were easy to get this ported to python. |
| 21:18.39 | tds5016 | haha. |
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| 21:43.34 | Macer | ugh |
| 21:43.51 | Macer | taking forever to figure out this damn zimbra skin thing |
| 21:43.59 | Macer | trying to be l33t and customize my zimbra install |
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| 21:46.23 | t1x | hi all |
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| 21:48.36 | t1x | anybody here? |
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| 21:50.33 | VDVsx | hello t1x |
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| 21:52.13 | t1x | hi |
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| 22:11.50 | RST38h | http://pics.livejournal.com/texconten/pic/0002d4dg |
| 22:11.59 | RST38h | live bait |
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| 22:16.25 | lcuk | RST38h, thats not good |
| 22:16.36 | lcuk | karate chops Stskeeps |
| 22:16.49 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 22:17.18 | RST38h | lcuk: not good for whom of the participants? |
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| 22:17.37 | lcuk | the shark |
| 22:17.47 | RST38h | it's a gamble for the shark |
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| 22:19.46 | lcuk | i rescued a hedgehog tonight! |
| 22:20.09 | RST38h | was it tasty? |
| 22:20.12 | Stskeeps | gave it milk? |
| 22:20.19 | lcuk | a bit sharp on the tongue |
| 22:20.24 | qwerty12_N800 | From the North? |
| 22:20.29 | lcuk | damn thing nearly popped my tyres! |
| 22:20.35 | RST38h | heh |
| 22:20.49 | lcuk | i stopped though and picked it up and rescued it :) |
| 22:21.29 | lcuk | in the time it took us to turn round about 5 other cars had just missed it as well |
| 22:21.35 | lcuk | damn lucky little thing |
| 22:21.55 | lcuk | yes qwerty12_N800, from the north |
| 22:22.00 | lcuk | it was out without a jacket on |
| 22:22.42 | RST38h | you mean, it was bald? |
| 22:23.21 | lcuk | heh no it had a tshirt on :P |
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| 22:24.19 | RST38h | =) |
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| 22:37.32 | RST38h | "Object is only to be approached by Non-conscious individuals, at most under hypnotic suggestion." |
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| 22:48.51 | lcuk | puts 10p in the chan |
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| 22:50.37 | woglinde | for a beer? |
| 22:50.49 | lcuk | to start the great machine up again |
| 22:50.55 | lcuk | but beer is just as good |
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| 22:50.59 | robink | I'm unable to get a Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my N810. |
| 22:51.00 | lcuk | mine is warm tho :( |
| 22:51.24 | lcuk | robink, before bashing head for hours trying strange stuff, try turning both off and on again |
| 22:51.32 | robink | lcuk: OK. |
| 22:51.32 | qwerty12_N800 | Cool it down in yellow snow |
| 22:51.47 | robink | Which should I turn on first? |
| 22:51.53 | lcuk | the nokia :) |
| 22:52.03 | lcuk | thats the usual method |
| 22:52.43 | lcuk | paul blart mall cop is cool btw :D |
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| 22:53.11 | lcuk | its like die hard after bruce willis let himself go |
| 22:56.09 | robink | lcuk: That didn't fix it. |
| 22:57.24 | lcuk | damn |
| 22:57.44 | lcuk | did it work earlier on |
| 22:57.48 | lcuk | or is this the first time |
| 22:57.54 | lcuk | 01*45538./4.1518519.5 |
| 22:57.59 | lcuk | ^tracy |
| 22:58.14 | lcuk | she got home (cant you tell) |
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| 22:59.05 | woglinde | good nite |
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| 22:59.40 | robink | Do you have to do something silly like type the PIN on the keyboard? |
| 22:59.51 | robink | The Nokia device wants to specify a PIN, but the keyboard presumably has no way of knowing it. |
| 23:00.00 | lcuk | first time connection on some keyboards yeah |
| 23:00.58 | lcuk | what kind is it |
| 23:02.23 | Stskeeps | robink: 0000? |
| 23:03.30 | robink | lcuk: Apple Wireless |
| 23:03.37 | robink | Stskeeps: I could try that... |
| 23:03.45 | robink | Dang it, now I can't unpair it from the Mac |
| 23:04.02 | robink | I tried pairing it with the Mac to see if that would work (I had to enter a PIN on the keyboard). |
| 23:04.05 | robink | ...now I can't unpair it. |
| 23:04.09 | lcuk | apple store guys tell you it wont work ;) |
| 23:04.25 | lcuk | why cant u unpair it? |
| 23:04.38 | lcuk | just shut the mac down, put it in a box, send it to this address: ... |
| 23:04.39 | robink | lcuk: Well I unpaired it from the Mac end, but now it won't pair with any other device. |
| 23:04.59 | lcuk | take batteries out, put em back in, press the doofer button on top right and go with the flow |
| 23:05.00 | robink | lcuk: It starts up and then immediately turns off when the mac doesn't show up. |
| 23:05.03 | robink | lcuk: OK. |
| 23:05.03 | lcuk | it has instructions i believe |
| 23:05.19 | robink | lcuk: Only for setting it up with a Mac, and nothing about unpairing it. |
| 23:05.30 | lcuk | heh yeah |
| 23:05.31 | robink | lcuk: The instructions literally say "Turn the Mac on and follow the on-screen instructions" |
| 23:05.54 | lcuk | the geniuses looked at tracy like she was an alien when she said my bf wants it for his nokia |
| 23:07.20 | robink | Yes! |
| 23:07.43 | lcuk | don't you mean "Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!" |
| 23:08.26 | robink | lcuk: I s'pose |
| 23:08.39 | robink | Odd, the power light doesn't light after pairing, but the keyboard works. |
| 23:08.56 | lcuk | illuminated light all the time drains battery |
| 23:09.02 | robink | lcuk: Ah. |
| 23:09.05 | lcuk | likes his apple one |
| 23:09.17 | qwerty12_N800 | robink: there's a page dedicated to it: http://cs.gmu.edu/~sean/stuff/n800/keyboard/ |
| 23:10.30 | lcuk | bbiab |
| 23:10.40 | robink | 'k |
| 23:10.49 | robink | Should I have gotten a Palm keyboard? |
| 23:12.47 | robink | This keyboard is fantastic and it works, but the Palm keyboard is foldable. |
| 23:12.57 | robink | Only drawback is it has a little stand for Palm devices... |
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| 23:58.46 | Nullm0dem | my n810 has just developed ans issue with it's default browser.. it hangs with an updating message window and will not resolve any websites. i can use fenec as well as the usual day to day networked apps. any ideas? |
| 23:59.33 | lcuk | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25526 |
| 23:59.37 | lcuk | Nullm0dem, ^ |
