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| 00:04.52 | FRZ_ | #mer |
| 00:05.02 | FRZ_ | I guess that didn't work |
| 00:05.53 | FRZ_ | ... and I got it. |
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| 00:24.19 | mrlanrat | Hello, I am a student looking to apply for the Google summer of code with Maemo. Im looking for something that does not require a lot of programing experience, but I would love to lean more. so far the Canola plugin idea looks good. can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 00:26.04 | rohananil | mrlanrat: i am also a student , as far as i know mentors are around usually at (UTC working hours time) , and probably best if you mail them |
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| 00:27.17 | mrlanrat | rohananil; do you know who I should mail? and where I can find there address? |
| 00:27.59 | b0unc3_ | mrlanrat: use the ML |
| 00:29.03 | mrlanrat | b0unc3_; thanks |
| 00:29.21 | b0unc3_ | mrlanrat: you're welcome |
| 00:34.36 | mrlanrat | b0unc3; which mailing list should I use? |
| 00:35.01 | b0unc3 | mrlanrat: -dev I suppose |
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| 01:25.13 | Macor | Stskeeps: ? |
| 01:25.29 | Macor | nexenta... it only supports 32bit cpus? |
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| 02:04.15 | kaie | who wants a pidgin 2.5.5 binary with working icq ? |
| 02:04.58 | kaie | I did a build and it seems to work, anyone else interested to install and test? |
| 02:09.59 | hotaru2k3 | people still use icq? |
| 02:14.25 | kaie | if you want to keep in touch with people who only use icq one must use icq |
| 02:16.53 | Lanza | but if no one uses icq, who would you want to keep in touch with ? |
| 02:17.44 | kaie | with no one |
| 02:18.26 | bef0rd | with the people that still uses icq |
| 02:18.30 | bef0rd | :P |
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| 02:23.43 | kaie | ok, so who wants to test a pidgin 2.5.5 maemo package which has all the new cool pidgin fixes that happened after 2.5.1 ? |
| 02:24.01 | kaie | diablo |
| 02:24.32 | Lanza | i'd love to |
| 02:25.16 | kaie | Lanza, cool: http://kuix.de/misc/maemo/pidgin/255/good/ |
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| 02:28.58 | kaie | Lanza, you'd have to download all the .deb files and install them using dpkg -i *.deb |
| 02:30.41 | kaie | Hmm, I've added a .tar file to simplify downloading |
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| 02:53.22 | kaie | well, I've updated the garage bug that complained about broken ICQ functionality. take care |
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| 05:56.04 | Macor | hm. trying to install nextenta |
| 05:56.28 | Stskeeps | it's a strange beast but once it actually runs, it's pretty nice |
| 05:57.19 | Macor | i'm a little confused about the install |
| 05:57.32 | Macor | the install disc uses a 32bit kernel. do you choose the 64bit one later or something? |
| 05:57.47 | Stskeeps | yeah, it autodetects afaik |
| 05:58.23 | Macor | well.. i got an error during the install saying my raid was too large for a 32bit kernel |
| 05:58.30 | Macor | maybe i can fix that later |
| 05:58.53 | Macor | i'm going to use the nvidia sata on the mboard.. i guess it doesn't support the fakeraid i have |
| 05:59.08 | Macor | Stskeeps: would you happen to know the difference between cifs and samba? |
| 05:59.32 | Macor | i've been looking for information on it but it doesn't seem to exist :) |
| 06:00.21 | Meiz_n810 | is sleeping on his desk |
| 06:00.43 | Stskeeps | Macor: two different implementations i think |
| 06:00.59 | Macor | i see. i hope i don't have a problem using this entire raid |
| 06:01.07 | Stskeeps | Macor: if you have ZFS you don't want to have fakeraid anyway |
| 06:01.22 | Macor | Stskeeps: yeah. that's what i hear |
| 06:01.41 | Macor | i'm installing it now. i'm more concerned about the raid than anything :) i need to use the entire 7TB |
| 06:02.09 | Macor | i just made an 8 TB raid 5 volume and hope i can get it all working sometime tomorrow |
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| 06:03.31 | Stskeeps | hehe, once nexenta is setup it's a matter of zpool create, heh |
| 06:03.34 | Stskeeps | but that's another topic |
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| 06:03.48 | Stskeeps | i would recommend going for raidz straight away |
| 06:04.02 | Stskeeps | as in, redundant, not striped |
| 06:04.46 | Macor | well.. i'm working on it all now |
| 06:04.49 | Macor | setting up the network now |
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| 06:06.22 | Macor | i really just don't want to have gone all the way through this to find out it will only use a 32bit kernel |
| 06:06.25 | Macor | heh |
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| 06:17.02 | Macor | apt-clone = apt-get in hm |
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| 06:18.03 | LiraNuna | anyone knows why it's so hard to find an N810 WiMAX lately? |
| 06:19.59 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: they got EOL'ed |
| 06:20.09 | LiraNuna | EOL? |
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| 06:20.15 | Stskeeps | end-of-life |
| 06:20.20 | LiraNuna | already?! |
| 06:20.47 | Stskeeps | yeah, there probably was some issues with sprint when they merged with clearwire |
| 06:21.23 | LiraNuna | software will still be present right? |
| 06:22.18 | Stskeeps | hmm? as in downloadable? yeah, but i don't think any of the tablets will be getting more Diablo updates |
| 06:23.03 | LiraNuna | hence the deblet project |
| 06:23.12 | Stskeeps | nah, hence the Mer project |
| 06:23.20 | LiraNuna | Mer? |
| 06:23.28 | Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer |
| 06:24.28 | LiraNuna | so, deblet's discontinued? |
| 06:24.38 | ds3 | has someone done work to make Mer usable on a 480x272 display yet? |
| 06:24.39 | Macor | wow i have never done this before |
| 06:24.49 | Macor | and i am totally lost as to how i am supposed to create zpools |
| 06:24.57 | Macor | i figured they were similar to lvm |
| 06:25.13 | Macor | but i don't know what dev solaris uses for my raid card |
| 06:25.20 | Stskeeps | format -e is a good hint |
| 06:25.34 | Stskeeps | ds3: we have a new theme :P |
| 06:26.06 | LiraNuna | Stskeeps, I know you were (is?) involved in deblet development, is it discontinued? |
| 06:26.12 | ds3 | Stskeeps: is it drop in? I built this using a BB board and trying estimate how much effort it would take Mer to run on it - http://www.hy-research.com/misc/BeagleLCD2.jpg |
| 06:26.19 | Stskeeps | ds3: http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/screenshots/xephyr/480x800.png |
| 06:26.46 | Stskeeps | ds3: and pretty easily, but i don't know enough about the LCD interface. does xserver-xorg-video-omapfb work with it? |
| 06:27.10 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: yeah, it's discontinued - it would hit a wall of power saving problems |
| 06:27.13 | ds3 | Stskeeps: Yes. I have Angstrom running on it right now |
| 06:27.34 | ds3 | and I can do all the kernel stuff; it is thee icon/layout userland stuff that I am trying to avoid spinning on |
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| 06:27.53 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: same as why i think the efforts in ubuntu on tablets are not good, they'll hit a wall as well, instead of contributing to mer :P |
| 06:28.14 | Stskeeps | and a lot of wasted effort for that eventual realization :P |
| 06:28.18 | Macor | Stskeeps: is there somewhere you can direct me to in order to learn how to set up this zpool stuff? |
| 06:28.18 | LiraNuna | what is the problem with power management? |
| 06:28.27 | ds3 | Stskeeps:do you know if Mer will work if there is no Wifi? |
| 06:28.32 | Macor | i need to mirror the 2nd nvidia sata drive and create a fs for the raid and mount it in /mnt/archive |
| 06:28.32 | Stskeeps | ds3: it'll work fine |
| 06:28.38 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: people want a device that can idle for more then 7 hours |
| 06:28.48 | Stskeeps | ds3: we run it in vmware, heh |
| 06:28.53 | ds3 | cool... OMAP3 based MID! wheeee |
| 06:29.06 | LiraNuna | isn't maemo supposed to work 'up to 4 days' |
| 06:29.11 | LiraNuna | idle |
| 06:29.29 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: yeah, - and that's similar approaches we take |
| 06:29.29 | ds3 | Stskeeps: nice... is there tarballs of the rootfs? (don't need it now, but nextweek I might give Mer a crack on my MID) |
| 06:29.48 | Stskeeps | ds3: yes, on monday the new UI will be published |
| 06:29.52 | Stskeeps | as 0.11 |
| 06:29.56 | ds3 | excellent |
| 06:29.57 | LiraNuna | Stskeeps, why can't you borrow code from maemo then? |
| 06:30.01 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: we do |
| 06:30.12 | Macor | i see the name of the device but don't understand where they are |
| 06:30.13 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: but we also took some other choices, such as basing on top of ubuntu |
| 06:30.16 | LiraNuna | oh, \o/ |
| 06:30.20 | LiraNuna | woot |
| 06:30.22 | Macor | they have these huge ass names.. like pci@e,923432 |
| 06:30.24 | LiraNuna | even better than debian |
| 06:30.29 | Stskeeps | Macor: ah, no, not those, the csomething ones |
| 06:30.38 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: so we have entire pool of ubuntu software |
| 06:30.40 | ds3 | does Mer care if all the buttons are on one /dev/input/event device instead of being split out on the N8x0? |
| 06:30.42 | Meiz_n810 | LiraNuna, You can run big desktop-environments on Mer too |
| 06:30.49 | Macor | well. there is c2t0d0 |
| 06:30.54 | Macor | is that what you are talking about? |
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| 06:31.05 | Stskeeps | ds3: you probably just need to adjust the xorg.conf |
| 06:31.22 | LiraNuna | I tried 3 stores lately and placed an order of n810 wimax, and they all refunded me with "out of stock" |
| 06:31.22 | Stskeeps | Macor: yeah, that's the device name |
| 06:31.32 | LiraNuna | I found another one, let's hope this one has some extras |
| 06:31.45 | Stskeeps | Macor: http://flux.org.uk/howto/solaris/zfs_tutorial_01 |
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| 06:31.59 | Stskeeps | you don't point it to /dev/c2t0d0, you point it to c2t0d0 |
| 06:32.26 | Macor | hm |
| 06:32.28 | Meiz_n810 | LiraNuna, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DThOHGb2rr0 |
| 06:32.30 | Meiz_n810 | :P |
| 06:32.32 | Macor | ok.. i'm going to try to set up the mirror first |
| 06:32.43 | LiraNuna | Meiz_n810, you just answered my future question |
| 06:32.48 | LiraNuna | if KDE runs, GNOME will too! |
| 06:33.03 | Meiz_n810 | Not that easily |
| 06:33.05 | Meiz_n810 | :( |
| 06:33.29 | Meiz_n810 | but GNOME sucks on tablets even worse than KDE |
| 06:33.50 | LiraNuna | I still adore GNOME |
| 06:34.00 | LiraNuna | video is pretty fast |
| 06:34.04 | LiraNuna | at least for KDE ;P |
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| 06:35.02 | Macor | well.. that was easy enough :) |
| 06:35.27 | Stskeeps | creating fs's are a joy too |
| 06:35.28 | Meiz_n810 | LireNuna: Some GNOME packages confilct with Mer ones |
| 06:35.36 | LiraNuna | Meiz_n810, such as? |
| 06:35.48 | LiraNuna | "network manager" ? |
| 06:35.53 | Stskeeps | nah, we have that one |
| 06:36.00 | Stskeeps | basically, you'll be able to run the apps from GNOME, but the desktop itself isn't happy |
| 06:37.45 | LiraNuna | what's the problems encountered? |
| 06:37.55 | Stskeeps | basically incompatible package versions |
| 06:38.02 | Stskeeps | and osso-gnomevfs2 crap |
| 06:38.16 | LiraNuna | I thought gnomevfs is deprecated |
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| 06:38.43 | Stskeeps | it still complains :P |
| 06:39.13 | LiraNuna | haha |
| 06:39.22 | Meiz_n810 | Ubuntus libvte9 doesn't like Mer i think |
| 06:39.26 | Stskeeps | that too |
| 06:39.34 | LiraNuna | how does Fennec working on it (if at all) |
| 06:39.48 | Meiz_n810 | as crappy as the maemo one |
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| 06:40.03 | LiraNuna | sorry about the mass questions, I am trying to get my hands on an N810 for months now |
| 06:40.04 | Meiz_n810 | slow and crashes on heavy pages |
| 06:40.07 | LiraNuna | D: |
| 06:40.16 | Stskeeps | we have arora and midori, though |
| 06:40.30 | LiraNuna | epiphany-webkit? |
| 06:40.39 | Stskeeps | or that |
| 06:41.16 | Meiz_n810 | maybe not, midori or epiphany-webkit are not accepting coocies, are they? |
| 06:41.29 | Meiz_n810 | arora works fine though |
| 06:44.01 | Macor | Stskeeps: i'm a little confused with this |
| 06:44.21 | Macor | i have 2 same sized disks and i am trying to add the 2nd one to the first pool (the installed drive) |
| 06:44.29 | Macor | is that possible while it is online? |
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| 06:48.21 | Stskeeps | you can attach a disk that would be a mirror |
| 06:49.08 | Stskeeps | i'd spend a bit of time googling |
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| 06:50.19 | Macor | efi labeled devices are not supported on root pools |
| 06:50.21 | Macor | wtf |
| 06:50.22 | Macor | :) |
| 06:50.59 | Stskeeps | boot related stuff really |
| 06:51.05 | Stskeeps | i recommend having a syspool and a data pool |
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| 06:52.14 | Stskeeps | morning qwerty12 |
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| 06:52.24 | qwerty12 | hey Stskeeps |
| 06:52.50 | Stskeeps | did i dream it or did you mention something about fine-fm? |
| 06:53.05 | Stskeeps | (it's dangerous to have tablet beside you in bed) |
| 06:53.42 | qwerty12 | Lol, I can relate to that... but yes, your eyes did not deceive you for I did, I did! |
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| 06:55.13 | Stskeeps | now, what was it? i saw that you found it but not if you got it to run or something :P |
| 06:55.44 | Macor | Stskeeps: i am seperating them |
| 06:55.53 | Macor | i'm just trying to figure out how to mirror the boot drive |
| 06:55.54 | qwerty12 | Well, seeing as I was the one who found the link, it'd be hard for me not to have found it ;). But I tried it in Maemo, it's pretty decent |
| 06:56.07 | Stskeeps | alright |
| 06:56.09 | Macor | i'm a little lost as to how you add another disk to the pool and then force them to mirror one another |
| 06:56.11 | Stskeeps | scrshots? |
| 06:56.16 | Stskeeps | Macor: zpool attach |
| 06:56.22 | Macor | Stskeeps: tried that ;) |
| 06:56.26 | qwerty12 | Lemme connect the N800 to my network and I'll x11vnc it |
| 06:57.07 | Macor | efi labeled devices are not supported on root pools |
| 06:57.41 | Stskeeps | Macor: well is this your new pool, and not the syspool one? |
| 06:57.51 | Macor | no.. this is the syspool |
| 06:57.56 | Macor | which is on a disk on the onboard sata |
| 06:58.07 | Macor | i have a 2nd disk of the same size and i want to mirror the boot drive to the 2nd one |
| 06:58.18 | Macor | which is on the 2nd onboard sata controller |
| 06:58.26 | Stskeeps | device name? |
| 06:58.36 | Macor | so i'm trying zpool attach c1t0d0 c1t1d0 |
| 06:58.38 | Macor | and get that error |
| 06:59.08 | Stskeeps | and c1t1d0 is the new drive? |
| 06:59.38 | Macor | yes... it is the same size as the 1st on the 2nd sata channel |
| 06:59.43 | Stskeeps | k |
| 06:59.53 | Macor | i am trying to mirror c1t0d0 and c1t1d0 |
| 07:00.02 | Macor | and c1t0d0 is the one that has the install on |
| 07:00.05 | Macor | it |
| 07:00.16 | Stskeeps | zpool attach -f syspool attach c1t0d0 c1t1d0 |
| 07:00.20 | Stskeeps | er |
| 07:00.23 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 07:00.27 | Macor | tried that too ;) |
| 07:00.39 | Stskeeps | format -e c1t1d0 |
| 07:01.01 | Stskeeps | and select the SMI label |
| 07:01.14 | Stskeeps | er |
| 07:01.27 | Stskeeps | format -e c1t1d0, and then 'label', and then select SMI label |
| 07:02.27 | Stskeeps | sighs and has a headache |
| 07:03.13 | Macor | c1t1d0 gives an error saying this disk may be in use by an application that has modified the fdisk table |
| 07:03.20 | Stskeeps | heh |
| 07:03.25 | Macor | ensure that this disk is ot currently in use before proceeding to use fdisk |
| 07:03.27 | Macor | wtf :) |
| 07:03.31 | Stskeeps | anyway, explore it a bit |
| 07:03.39 | Stskeeps | it takes some time to get running at first but it's bliss afterwards |
| 07:03.40 | Macor | how do i wipe the disk? |
| 07:04.02 | Stskeeps | replace it with zeroes using a bootcd or whatever :P |
| 07:07.30 | Macor | ablahadfad |
| 07:11.20 | LiraNuna | http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/15/ubuntu-9-04-ported-to-nokias-n8x0-internet-tablets/ |
| 07:11.24 | LiraNuna | wah |
| 07:11.28 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/finefm.png |
| 07:12.26 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: as i said earlier - it's basically mer without the hildon stuff |
| 07:12.37 | LiraNuna | 100% open source |
| 07:12.39 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: not made in a very structured way |
| 07:12.53 | LiraNuna | Stskeeps, I know, but it made me happy :( |
| 07:12.55 | L0cutus | 'giorno |
| 07:12.57 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: yeah, we should package that |
| 07:14.45 | qwerty12 | It wants some can't-be-found-on-the-internetz libogs library though |
| 07:14.57 | Stskeeps | hmm |
| 07:15.27 | qwerty12 | That said, the application starts up fine w/out it install (that's running from an extracted deb) |
| 07:15.41 | qwerty12 | Just won't compile. I'll see what can be done. |
| 07:15.46 | Stskeeps | wtf :P |
| 07:15.50 | Stskeeps | that seems to be a nokia thing |
| 07:16.18 | qwerty12 | Ah, you're right |
| 07:16.23 | qwerty12 | " Global Search Application core library" |
| 07:16.31 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 07:17.02 | Stskeeps | looks like it's the "Find" button |
| 07:17.07 | Stskeeps | can probably be commented out |
| 07:17.24 | Stskeeps | LiraNuna: not a official port, btw :P |
| 07:17.27 | qwerty12 | Yeah, can be done easily. |
| 07:17.31 | Stskeeps | so don't bother the u-a people :> |
| 07:17.49 | Stskeeps | (i'm not even sure b-man can call it Ubuntu.) |
| 07:18.10 | LiraNuna | Stskeeps, I know, but still a step forward |
| 07:18.30 | Stskeeps | yeah, sure - i had a port running in july 2008 |
| 07:18.31 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 07:18.35 | Stskeeps | so it's an old effort |
| 07:18.58 | qwerty12 | Yeah, it's part of Nokia's "maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_4.1.1" |
| 07:19.13 | Stskeeps | heh |
| 07:19.14 | Stskeeps | typical |
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| 07:19.20 | Stskeeps | we can probably glue it in with tracker or something |
| 07:19.45 | qwerty12 | Easily removed, just #if 0 the evt_btn_find and its caller |
| 07:19.57 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 07:21.09 | Stskeeps | i'm still amazed how many OSS replacements for maemo stuff that just lingers about |
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| 07:26.37 | Macor | wow |
| 07:26.42 | Macor | does this apt-clone crap actually work |
| 07:26.48 | Macor | i'm getting fopen: permission denied |
| 07:27.15 | Stskeeps | worked for me |
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| 07:30.19 | Macor | well.. it does but |
| 07:30.28 | Macor | i keep getting fopen: permission denied for everything |
| 07:31.23 | Stskeeps | no clues |
| 07:31.29 | Stskeeps | goes to sleep for an hour |
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| 07:46.40 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 07:48.28 | Macor | Stskeeps: evidently you are supposed to pick both drives during the install :) |
| 07:48.32 | Macor | how awesome is that? :) |
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| 08:16.51 | svu | аlterego, ping |
| 08:17.49 | LiraNuna | svu, pong |
| 08:17.54 | LiraNuna | hehe |
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| 08:18.55 | svu | hehe? |
| 08:20.17 | svu | is looking for alterego actually |
| 08:20.44 | alterego | Oh, hello :) |
| 08:20.59 | alterego | I've made some progress but there's still some bugs in my packaging. |
| 08:21.17 | alterego | Probably only another couple of hours work. I'll hopefully get around to tomorrow evening. |
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| 08:23.49 | svu | alterego, thanks! sorry for pushing, but i guess it has to be done, for rubys sake ;) |
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| 08:30.12 | tank-man | Im such an idiot. Ive wasted so much time trying to pair a bluetooth keyboard with my desktop and instead it was pairing with my n800 in the other room all this time. |
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| 08:43.44 | Macor | holy crap |
| 08:43.48 | Macor | i am getting 100MB/s |
| 08:43.53 | Macor | to the nexenta box |
| 08:44.15 | aquatix | whoa |
| 08:44.25 | aquatix | tank-man: lol |
| 08:44.39 | Macor | holy shit |
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| 08:45.38 | aquatix | Macor: what do you use nexenta for? |
| 08:45.58 | Macor | for a fileserver now it seems ;) |
| 08:46.01 | aquatix | :) |
| 08:46.06 | Macor | am going to add other things to it but it's a fileserver right now |
| 08:46.08 | Macor | and it is FLYING |
| 08:46.12 | aquatix | apparently you have gig-e? |
| 08:46.16 | Macor | i'm sustaining 103MB/s |
| 08:46.20 | aquatix | nice |
| 08:46.24 | Macor | the nics are MAXED |
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| 08:46.36 | aquatix | what kind of machine is it on? |
| 08:46.40 | Macor | this is like the first time i've ever seen it go this fast |
| 08:47.23 | Macor | dual dual core operton 1.8GHz with an intel gbit server nic 8G and an areca w 8x1TB raid |
| 08:48.44 | aquatix | ah :) |
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| 08:55.00 | alterego | svu, was just in a meeting. Don't worry about pushing me. I sometimes need a little nudge ;) |
| 08:57.04 | lcuk | Macor, if i read everything in iTT correctly, isnt the next nokia device gonna have similar stats :p |
| 08:57.15 | Macor | haha |
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| 08:57.31 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, wont you look silly when it does. |
| 08:57.50 | lcuk | it will appear to anyway ;) |
| 08:58.27 | lcuk | i can just see the battery life: 30 seconds when idle, 4 seconds when in use |
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| 08:59.41 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia's ace in the hole is the time machine they used to grab OMAP9s from 2025 |
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| 09:00.06 | lcuk | o_O |
| 09:00.26 | lcuk | i heard the omap range died out in the silicon wars of 2018 |
| 09:01.06 | lcuk | by 2025 we had readjusted our computing power to run on silicone |
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| 09:05.04 | Proteous | it was us, who scorched the sky. At the time we thought that the tablets couldn't survive without a power source as abundant as the sun |
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| 09:14.11 | lardman | morning |
| 09:14.24 | lardman | anyone having troubles connecting to MSN these days? |
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| 09:14.31 | lardman | on-device that is |
| 09:15.22 | florian | good morning |
| 09:15.28 | lardman | morning florian |
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| 09:22.35 | Stskeeps | Macer: just be sure to sett it up as raidz or raidz2.. losing a whole pool to striping is nasty |
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| 09:40.04 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, finefm added to queue. I've also made some improvements to the code |
| 09:40.12 | Stskeeps | alright, much appreciated |
| 09:40.31 | Stskeeps | i won't add it to 0.11 image (feature freeze atm) but people can slowly test it by apt-getting it i guess |
| 09:40.41 | qwerty12 | cool |
| 09:40.45 | Macer | ls |
| 09:40.50 | Macer | oops |
| 09:40.59 | Macer | thank god i copied an old home dir to my external hard drive |
| 09:40.59 | Macer | heh |
| 09:41.28 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 09:42.08 | Stskeeps | Macer: so ZFS is delivering as promised so far? :P |
| 09:44.01 | Macer | hell yeah it is Stskeeps |
| 09:44.02 | Macer | :) |
| 09:44.19 | Macer | i think it's overall opensolaris that is actually... nic and disk io are screaming |
| 09:44.57 | Macer | i think i will just set up the artigo for outside access and use nexenta for everything locally |
| 09:45.05 | Macer | it is an incredibly redundant box |
| 09:45.16 | Stskeeps | now think for a second on the fact that it's actually delivering this performance whilst check-summing and doing safe disk transactions |
| 09:45.26 | Stskeeps | so it'll state immediately if there's disk corruption |
| 09:45.27 | Macer | it's about time it started to go as fast as it should. what a total let down esxi turned out to be |
| 09:45.48 | Stskeeps | it has caught cable corruption with me quite often |
| 09:45.51 | Macer | i need to install httpd .. named.. etc |
| 09:45.58 | Macer | cable corruption? seriously? |
| 09:46.03 | Stskeeps | yeah - happens often |
| 09:46.24 | Stskeeps | it can detect ram errors this way too and warn you early before your pool goes up in flames, heh |
| 09:46.35 | Macer | Stskeeps: thanks for recommending it |
| 09:46.41 | Macer | it really is quite amazing |
| 09:47.01 | Stskeeps | yeah - some things are bloody irritating, such as ps elf instead of ps aux, but yeah |
| 09:47.07 | Stskeeps | and some packages not ported |
| 09:47.20 | Macer | that's fine. i'm only using mainstream stuff anyways |
| 09:47.25 | Macer | i need to put named on it |
| 09:47.28 | Stskeeps | but i'm actually talking to you from my nexenta installation :P |
| 09:47.33 | Macer | heh.. so am i ;) |
| 09:47.47 | Stskeeps | if you discover how to make Xen work or other virtualization technologies, do say |
| 09:47.58 | Macer | i don't think i'm going to take the virt route anymore |
| 09:48.09 | Macer | maybe i will just learn how to jail or something.. but i think this is going to be my server from now on |
| 09:48.11 | Stskeeps | there's also solaris zones which may be worth looking into |
| 09:48.18 | Macer | and i will just set up the artigo for outside people |
| 09:48.52 | Stskeeps | you can also export parts of the pool using iscsi |
| 09:48.54 | Macer | thanks again. have to get ready for work ;) |
| 09:49.06 | Macer | i've never used iscsi |
| 09:49.18 | Macer | maybe later.. if it works out well i may try it out as a desktop |
| 09:49.19 | Macer | heh |
| 09:49.19 | Stskeeps | very useful for virtualbox for instance, it can use it as a boot device, heh |
| 09:49.49 | Macer | i love xfering stuff at 100MB/s ;) |
| 09:50.05 | Macer | first time my gbit nic has been maxed out over my damn network because the stuff i have used sucks |
| 09:50.10 | Stskeeps | also, zpool scrub should be your best friend |
| 09:50.11 | Macer | zfs ftw |
| 09:50.28 | Stskeeps | oh, and you should definately look into zfs snapshots |
| 09:52.55 | Meiz_n810 | didn't have enough balls to irc during deutch test... |
| 09:56.26 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: welcome to adulthood |
| 09:56.45 | Stskeeps | i'm surprised you were even allowed to bring it |
| 09:56.45 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 09:57.41 | qwerty12 | I've got my French speaking test today, shouldn't take them long to tell me to GTFO knowing my French :P |
| 09:58.08 | Stskeeps | heh |
| 09:58.21 | X-Fade | qwerty12: The builder has been revived again, so you can submit your package if you want ;) |
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| 09:58.36 | Stskeeps | only way i passed french was cos i had a french guy over irc helping me through the year to understand some things |
| 09:59.20 | qwerty12 | X-Fade, the <look-from-side-to-side-and-whisper> webkit </look-from-side-to-side-and-whisper> one? |
| 09:59.30 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, you're only saying that because you're not in the building with it and wont be there when it explodes, eh? :P |
| 09:59.56 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I will be monitoring it ;) |
| 10:00.26 | qwerty12 | Damn! and this time I wanted to make it rm -rf / :( |
| 10:00.35 | qwerty12 | s/rm/run rm/ |
| 10:00.50 | X-Fade | But it showed the need of more builders and more powerful ones.. |
| 10:00.50 | GeneralAntilles | With seismographs? |
| 10:01.02 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, did you show the stats to Nokia? |
| 10:01.19 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Which ones? |
| 10:01.27 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: we're doing some interesting experiments with OpenSUSE Build Service in Mer.. hopefully that'll be a solid foundation for Maemo&Mer builds eventually |
| 10:01.32 | GeneralAntilles | The ones where qwert12 brought down the builder. |
| 10:01.43 | Stskeeps | (we'll make a report/documentation on how good it actually is :P) |
| 10:01.48 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: That won't work for us, because we need the nokia-binaries repo. |
| 10:01.59 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: So that is a non-starter. |
| 10:02.17 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: local instances of OBS is possible or download-on-demand |
| 10:02.30 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: But you are not allowed to do that ;) |
| 10:02.40 | Stskeeps | hmm. :P |
| 10:02.43 | X-Fade | Well, with the token and all. |
| 10:03.12 | Stskeeps | yeah, there might be an issue in that |
| 10:03.30 | X-Fade | But that can be solved by running OBS locally. |
| 10:03.48 | Stskeeps | yeah, it's one of the scenario requirements we have |
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| 10:04.38 | Stskeeps | on the other hand it shouldn't be that difficult to implement a repository reference that's there but not visible of the specifics |
| 10:05.08 | Stskeeps | sees how his pygtk build is going |
| 10:05.41 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: I have a local copy of the nokia-binaries repo on the builder and have stripped the token out etc.. |
| 10:06.11 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 10:06.17 | qwerty12 | X-Fade, so I can reupload webkit? I've checked it properly, make runs with -j4 |
| 10:06.51 | X-Fade | qwerty12: Sure. Although you won't see much gains with parallel builds on this one cpu vm ;) |
| 10:07.11 | qwerty12 | Lol, fair enough |
| 10:08.25 | X-Fade | qwerty12: But somehow my ps list gave me screens and screens full of ./libtool g++ lines.. |
| 10:08.41 | X-Fade | So that was not doing what it was supposed to ;) |
| 10:08.56 | qwerty12 | Yeah, that's disgusting, sorry about that. |
| 10:09.18 | X-Fade | And the QT4.5 build which includes webkit doesn't have any problems with it. |
| 10:10.25 | qwerty12 | I'm about to hit enter, anyone want to say "Don't upload it you fucking bastard, I need to build my shit"? |
| 10:10.50 | X-Fade | Anyway, it is running again and Tero is painfully aware of the need of some better builder hardware. |
| 10:10.51 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: at least it's not bluez-test or glib.. |
| 10:10.51 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:11.13 | X-Fade | qwerty12: Maybe you can let the queue clear up a bit before resubmitting ;) |
| 10:11.18 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: curious, you just use qemu-arm as cpu transparency? |
| 10:11.21 | qwerty12 | Ctrl-C it is :) |
| 10:11.50 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: cvs-m version.. |
| 10:12.07 | Stskeeps | k |
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| 10:12.48 | X-Fade | And we now use the newer scratchbox version (fremantle alpha one) for diablo and chinook too. |
| 10:12.51 | GeneralAntilles | Hopefully we get new hardware before the beta comes out. |
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| 10:15.03 | qwerty12 | X-Fade, you'll probably want to delete https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/webkit_1.0-svn41128-1maemo1/results/libwebkit-1.0-1-dbg_1.0-svn41128-1maemo1_armel.deb - 152mb... |
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| 10:18.45 | X-Fade | qwerty12: Why is that thing so big? :) |
| 10:19.55 | qwerty12 | It's debug symbols. If I allow dh_strip to strip them, it defeats the point of the package. Although I have no problems in stopping that package being made :) |
| 10:20.49 | timelE61i | sTs: i had an snv zone hosting nexenta for two years |
| 10:21.11 | timelE61i | After i fix my mbp, i'll go back to re-implementing that |
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| 10:23.30 | timelE61i | xFade: -j should help w/ disk i/o v. Processing |
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| 10:24.12 | X-Fade | timelE61i: Yeah, but there are multiple builds of multiple packages running on the same machine. |
| 10:24.26 | X-Fade | So it won't do you any good in practice. |
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| 10:26.49 | timelE61i | how weak is the box? |
| 10:27.31 | X-Fade | timelE61i: very. |
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| 10:47.49 | rmt | wonders if adding user ALL = (ALL) ALL to /etc/sudoers could be stopping the device from booting.. didn't think about it.. but killed it again.. so reflashed again.. checked that rebooting worked fine.. installed openssh, fbreader repository, skype, omweather.. also change'd user's passwd and added the line to /etc/sudoers |
| 10:47.56 | rmt | Any of these the clear cause of the issue? |
| 10:48.26 | Stskeeps | rmt: probably because you didn't add NOPASSWD |
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| 10:48.43 | rmt | Stskeeps: Would that then override the other sudo options? |
| 10:48.45 | Stskeeps | yes |
| 10:48.53 | rmt | Okay, then that's it. |
| 10:49.07 | rmt | Ahah, the last match is used, says man sudoers |
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| 10:50.45 | rmt | Well, hopefully this is the last time I need to flash this in a long time, then. :) |
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| 10:57.34 | kulve | anybody run n8x0 kernel in qemu? Does qemu support any audio devices in arm? |
| 11:05.10 | Macer | alrighty |
| 11:05.32 | Macer | let me see about getting named installed in this nexenta |
| 11:06.38 | lcuk | kulve, is hwr around, he runs qemu stuff lots i believe and should be able to tell you |
| 11:08.37 | Stskeeps | hrw |
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| 11:10.30 | lcuk | that would be it |
| 11:10.31 | lcuk | lol |
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| 11:10.58 | lcuk | thanks Stskeeps |
| 11:11.12 | Macer | Stskeeps: this os is awesome |
| 11:11.28 | Macer | i need to set up bind on it but it is great |
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| 11:12.16 | Stskeeps | power of solaris with the ease of use of ubuntu server :P |
| 11:12.23 | Stskeeps | i really wish i had it for ARM. :P |
| 11:12.49 | Macer | what pkg is nfs in? |
| 11:13.00 | Macer | thought it was nfs-utils |
| 11:13.13 | Macer | yah. it is awesome =) |
| 11:13.27 | Stskeeps | nfs .. hmm |
| 11:13.35 | Macer | i am still shocked at the 103MB/s xfers over smb |
| 11:13.44 | rmt | Ok.. also have /home/user on nfs now.. just need the pkg list to be backed up regularly, and it should be a relatively easy job to fix if I kill it again. |
| 11:13.47 | Macer | the nic was the bottleneck |
| 11:13.56 | Macer | my gbit nic was maxed |
| 11:14.17 | Stskeeps | Macer: http://blogs.sun.com/dbx/entry/installing_nexenta_gnu_solaris_on |
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| 11:16.32 | Macer | think that url is wrong Stskeeps |
| 11:17.50 | Macer | nm |
| 11:17.53 | Macer | my bad |
| 11:20.28 | kulve | lcuk: thanks |
| 11:21.12 | Macer | Stskeeps: are you running X on it? |
| 11:21.26 | Macer | like.. xfce or gnome? |
| 11:21.47 | Stskeeps | nah |
| 11:21.49 | Stskeeps | headless |
| 11:21.49 | zeenix | hello maemo'ers |
| 11:21.58 | zeenix | or whats the term? :) |
| 11:22.07 | Macer | i see. the nfs seems rather simple but im at work |
| 11:22.09 | Stskeeps | maemoids? |
| 11:22.24 | Macer | i will set it up when i get home |
| 11:23.25 | zeenix | Stskeeps: that sounds right :) |
| 11:24.43 | Stskeeps | so how's rygel coming along? |
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| 11:28.40 | Macer | areca 6.2T 148G 6.1T 3~ /mnt/archive |
| 11:28.46 | Macer | i love it |
| 11:29.17 | Macer | beast... so what does it do.. just create the fs on the fly? |
| 11:29.45 | Stskeeps | can i see a zpool status of that? :P |
| 11:29.54 | Stskeeps | (pastebin) |
| 11:30.07 | Macer | uhm |
| 11:30.20 | Macer | im on my g1 but i will try |
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| 11:34.22 | Macer | http://pastebin.com/d63020012 |
| 11:34.30 | Macer | there really isnt much there |
| 11:34.59 | Stskeeps | ah, that's the fakeraid or? |
| 11:36.27 | Macer | my areca |
| 11:36.38 | Macer | hw raid |
| 11:36.57 | suihkulokki | Macer: which areca? |
| 11:37.06 | Macer | 1120 pci-x |
| 11:37.15 | Macer | 8 port sata |
| 11:37.31 | Jaffa | re |
| 11:37.45 | Macer | how does zfs make the fs? |
| 11:37.59 | Macer | it reminds me of lvm without mkfs |
| 11:38.17 | Stskeeps | zfs create poolname/fs |
| 11:38.32 | Macer | i didnt do that |
| 11:38.36 | Stskeeps | it shares the space within the pool |
| 11:38.41 | Stskeeps | the way of FSes are a bit different |
| 11:38.43 | Macer | i just mounted the one it made |
| 11:38.46 | Stskeeps | yeah, there's a top FS |
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| 11:38.54 | Macer | i see |
| 11:39.16 | Macer | i sont understand how it formats it though |
| 11:39.28 | Stskeeps | no such thing |
| 11:39.30 | Macer | is there just no need to format it? |
| 11:39.32 | Macer | i see |
| 11:39.41 | Stskeeps | i can recommend reading up a bit on it |
| 11:39.46 | Macer | creates it all on the fly? |
| 11:39.57 | Stskeeps | yeah, a fs is just a record inside the pool |
| 11:40.02 | suihkulokki | Macer: hehe, you could install linux _on_ the raid card :) |
| 11:40.26 | Macer | suihkulokki: why? i have nexenta |
| 11:40.34 | Macer | it is kicking ass =) |
| 11:41.00 | suihkulokki | Macer: you can't install nexenta on the card :) |
| 11:41.06 | Macer | the raid is strictly storage. the sw raiding zfs does is very redundant |
| 11:41.39 | Macer | i want the entire raid for storage anyways. i have 2 mirroresd 80G drives for the os |
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| 11:42.15 | Stskeeps | Macer: trust me, you want the raiding zfs does over what the card does |
| 11:42.33 | Stskeeps | so if you have a way to show all drives as a JBOD, and then base a pool on those drives |
| 11:42.42 | Stskeeps | it has excellent i/o scheduling |
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| 11:42.55 | Macer | well. the nic is the bottleneck anyways |
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| 11:43.04 | suihkulokki | at some point of time the fastest arm processors were the IOP cores, which most usually found on raid cards |
| 11:43.08 | Macer | is there a way for me to test io speeds? |
| 11:43.30 | suihkulokki | so joked about installing linux/arm these raid controllers |
| 11:43.51 | Stskeeps | Macer: zpool iostat -v is a good way to check it i guess |
| 11:43.51 | Macer | think the areca uses an intel |
| 11:44.13 | suihkulokki | yes, intel iop331 - a arm |
| 11:45.09 | Macer | that only works during a read or write |
| 11:45.14 | Macer | heh |
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| 11:45.45 | Macer | i dont feel like doing an xfer... takes too long to type it on the g1 |
| 11:45.51 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 11:45.58 | Macer | i dont even use my n800 anymore |
| 11:46.09 | Macer | the qwerty makes all the difference |
| 11:46.57 | Stskeeps | i'm in dire need of a n800, heh. saw my video? :> |
| 11:47.01 | Stskeeps | (no idea if your g1 does youtube) |
| 11:47.22 | lcuk | qwerty is overrated, im waiting for the nokia n930 which includes your own personal secretary for dictation and typing services |
| 11:47.40 | Stskeeps | Macer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcm5TYGwTwU |
| 11:48.39 | lcuk | Stskeeps, does that scroll the opposite way if you move to the southern hemisphere? |
| 11:48.55 | Stskeeps | lcuk: no clue. i wonder on the effect of rotation too. |
| 11:48.58 | Macer | Stskeeps: it does |
| 11:49.06 | lcuk | it might make an impressive (but expensively impractical) bookreader :D |
| 11:50.21 | GeneralAntilles | timeless, ping? |
| 11:51.01 | aquatix | Stskeeps: wtf |
| 11:51.09 | aquatix | @youtube movie |
| 11:51.23 | Stskeeps | aquatix: yeah, it makes things a little more difficult. occasionally it's stable thoug. |
| 11:51.55 | Macer | wtf |
| 11:52.13 | Macer | it reminds me of an old tv |
| 11:52.27 | Macer | that you had to turn sync knobs on heh |
| 11:52.29 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 11:52.45 | Macer | Stskeeps: do you need an n800? |
| 11:53.04 | Macer | that works =) |
| 11:54.34 | Stskeeps | yeah, cos i can't really test Xomap stuff anymore, heh |
| 11:55.03 | Macer | well... you can have mine |
| 11:55.32 | Macer | consider it my contribution to your cause |
| 11:55.45 | Macer | it is collecting dust anyways |
| 11:55.45 | Stskeeps | could be good - just worried about shipping |
| 11:55.57 | Macer | well... where are you? |
| 11:55.59 | Stskeeps | since i'm in .dk |
| 11:56.08 | Macer | oh crap lol |
| 11:56.18 | Stskeeps | but i have chargers and all that crap already |
| 11:56.30 | Macer | im in chicago |
| 11:56.30 | Stskeeps | so it would really just be the tablet |
| 11:56.43 | aquatix | lol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFBciWwT04w |
| 11:56.56 | Macer | i can send it usps not sure how long it would take to get there |
| 11:57.20 | Macer | probably 2-3 weeks if they even go there |
| 11:57.23 | Stskeeps | ah, i don't mind the waiting time |
| 11:57.25 | Stskeeps | and yes, they do :P |
| 11:57.30 | Macer | haha |
| 11:57.43 | Stskeeps | aquatix: wtf |
| 11:57.46 | Macer | well.. i'll msg you |
| 11:58.13 | X-Fade | Macer: Probably a day of 4 with usps. |
| 11:58.36 | Stskeeps | just be sure to mark it as gift :P |
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| 12:00.41 | Macer | really? |
| 12:00.50 | Macer | or do they tax you? =) |
| 12:01.20 | Macer | bbl |
| 12:01.24 | Stskeeps | they'll tax a little bit but we'll see what happens |
| 12:01.36 | Stskeeps | danish P.O are assholes so |
| 12:01.52 | Macer | haha... here too ;) |
| 12:02.28 | lcuk | sends stskeeps n envelope full of expensive air as a gift |
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| 12:02.40 | lcuk | but forgets to mark it as a gift and leaves the RRP on it |
| 12:03.25 | t_s_o | hmm, seeing M5 running on beagleboard got me interested. not sure if i like the ui, but still, im interested |
| 12:03.57 | t_s_o | funny how the scroll bars are still small tho, given how everything else seems scaled for finger use |
| 12:04.22 | lcuk | doesnt matter how largeg the scroll bars are if the entire area is grabbable |
| 12:04.27 | lcuk | doesnt know if it is tho |
| 12:05.19 | GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, the alpha UI isn't the final UI |
| 12:05.44 | GeneralAntilles | But, yes, the whole area should be dragable and flickable |
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| 12:06.13 | lcuk | flicks GeneralAntilles |
| 12:06.25 | t_s_o | heh, that full screen close animation kinda surprised me btw |
| 12:07.48 | lcuk | t_s_o, surprised me as well, it simply wouldnt run on my tabletpc, i only saw it once VDVsx made a video |
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| 12:08.19 | lcuk | it was actually faster using a VNC session from someone over the internet than it was locally on my machine! |
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| 12:11.40 | *** topic/#maemo by timsamoff -> Welcome to #maemo | It's dneary's birthday today! | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | The Maemo community is looking for talented students -> http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009 |
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| 12:12.03 | qwerty12 | spambot? :> :P |
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| 12:37.00 | wazd | hey everybody |
| 12:37.06 | Stskeeps | hey wazd |
| 12:37.53 | Stskeeps | we solved the marquee problem we had.. you know, we wondered why the background didn't work on it? |
| 12:39.20 | Stskeeps | turns out we got tricked. the reason why it was black, is because the wallpaper was centered, and we were on a 800x600 screen, with a 800x480 wallpaper ;p |
| 12:39.20 | Stskeeps | guess out how it looks |
| 12:39.21 | wazd | ha) |
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| 13:00.53 | wazd | What do you think bout new OSM2GO icon? http://s47.radikal.ru/i117/0903/2c/4d52a0d9120d.png |
| 13:02.02 | Stskeeps | hehe, neat |
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| 13:02.11 | aquatix | wazd: cute |
| 13:02.19 | aquatix | what's OSM2GO? :) |
| 13:02.43 | wazd | opensource software for map creation |
| 13:02.54 | wazd | one of the Fremantle Stars :) |
| 13:02.59 | aquatix | ah check :) |
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| 13:24.36 | VDVsx | dneary, Happy birthday :P |
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| 13:28.15 | wazd | oh) |
| 13:28.34 | wazd | Happy B-day Dneary! |
| 13:30.56 | lopz | hi |
| 13:31.13 | GeneralAntilles | I wonder if we'll have a say in the official strings with the community translations for Harmattan. |
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| 13:37.06 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, ping? |
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| 13:58.32 | Stskeeps | wazd: http://zenvoid.org/tmp/mer-new-layout/WIP_20090331_1.png |
| 13:59.59 | mardi__ | nice |
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| 14:02.14 | mikkov___274 | X-Fade: I think my wormux build is still stuck https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/wormux_0.8.3-1maemo2/ |
| 14:03.11 | X-Fade | mikkov___274: It got killed off when we needed to reboot the machine ;) |
| 14:03.14 | wazd | Stskeeps: nice, but close button is too big now) |
| 14:03.37 | Stskeeps | wazd: 90px wide |
| 14:03.56 | wazd | Stskeeps: Icon I mean |
| 14:03.59 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 14:04.11 | Stskeeps | we remade it in inkscape so it was more resizable |
| 14:04.24 | Stskeeps | come in #mer and discuss with me and zenvoid on improvements :P |
| 14:05.51 | dneary | hi wazd, thanks |
| 14:05.56 | dneary | And VDVsx |
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| 14:10.10 | aquatix | Stskeeps: hm, the various fades in the top bar don't look that nice to me; makes it a bit grayish |
| 14:10.22 | aquatix | and it reminds me of the winxp bar :) |
| 14:10.54 | lardman | dneary: a belated Happy Birthday :) |
| 14:11.15 | lardman | not headed for the pub yet?! |
| 14:11.44 | Macer | Stskeeps: you get an odd fopen permission denied error in nexenta? |
| 14:11.52 | Stskeeps | Macer: i haven't dist-upgraded recently |
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| 14:13.50 | xiaohui_liu | Hi |
| 14:14.32 | xiaohui_liu | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:14.48 | Macer | cant get i did to begin with |
| 14:15.17 | xiaohui_liu | Who can tell me where should I to start it |
| 14:15.49 | RST38h | feels like starting a rumor today |
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| 14:16.48 | RST38h | Let us say, RX-51 is definitely going to have an OLED display, that is why Maemo5 SDK theme is so dark |
| 14:17.32 | roope | We're living in dark times. :) |
| 14:17.54 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: shiny screenshot |
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| 14:21.29 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, it's transflective. |
| 14:21.39 | GeneralAntilles | At least as far as one can divine from the part numbers |
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| 14:35.38 | Macer | fixed it |
| 14:35.44 | Macer | nexenta is awesome |
| 14:35.44 | lcuk | roope, its not that dark, spring is coming! |
| 14:36.08 | Macer | i mean... just simply... awesome =) |
| 14:36.08 | timsamoff | lcuk: We just got three inches of snow. |
| 14:36.09 | aquatix | *poing* |
| 14:36.10 | lcuk | those bright oranges on the new maemo website are like vodka for your eyes :D |
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| 14:36.32 | lcuk | lol timsamoff haha, we had snow over hte weekend |
| 14:36.45 | lcuk | by dinner time the same day people were setting up bbqs |
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| 14:36.54 | lcuk | english folks and sunshine are mental :| |
| 14:36.59 | timsamoff | lcuk: Thankfully rain and wamrth have all but melted it already. |
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| 14:37.54 | lcuk | happy birthday dneary \o |
| 14:38.03 | gnuton | Hi there |
| 14:38.15 | gnuton | Is there a party here? |
| 14:38.15 | gnuton | :D |
| 14:38.34 | lcuk | i dunno, but ill let you buy a round of drinks anyway |
| 14:38.35 | gnuton | dneary: happy birthday!! :D |
| 14:38.42 | gnuton | lcuk: ahah :D |
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| 14:38.56 | timsamoff | lcuk: I usually pour the vodka right on my eyes. :p |
| 14:38.59 | gnuton | lcuk: alchool or soft drinks? :P |
| 14:39.30 | lardman | timsamoff: pour it of throw it at your eyes, missing your mouth, when you've had a few too many? ;) |
| 14:39.36 | lardman | s/of/or |
| 14:39.41 | timsamoff | Hmf. |
| 14:39.51 | lardman | :) |
| 14:40.49 | lcuk | thats the voice of experience if ever i heard it |
| 14:41.00 | lardman | ;) |
| 14:41.03 | timsamoff | can't believe his bad reputation. |
| 14:41.25 | lardman | and people are looking up to you being on the council and all :) |
| 14:41.31 | RST38h | General: you are spoiling the rumor :) |
| 14:41.55 | lardman | still thinks etrunko's late entrance for the presentation was classic :D |
| 14:42.25 | timsamoff | thinks it won't be etrunko's last late entrance. |
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| 14:43.04 | etrunko | lol |
| 14:43.26 | etrunko | unbelievable how it worked |
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| 14:43.34 | timsamoff | :p |
| 14:43.37 | etrunko | even without planning anything |
| 14:43.46 | etrunko | "there's this guy, Eduardo Lima..." |
| 14:43.49 | etrunko | "oh" |
| 14:43.54 | etrunko | "there he is" |
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| 14:44.10 | lardman | we were far less polite before you came in :p |
| 14:44.17 | timsamoff | Ha ha. No, remember... We planned for 5 minutes between sessions. |
| 14:44.20 | etrunko | lardman: i saw the video |
| 14:44.30 | lardman | konttori_: not aimed at you, don't worry :) |
| 14:44.49 | lardman | etrunko: damn! :) |
| 14:45.23 | lcuk | "council members gone wild" |
| 14:45.39 | lcuk | shudders |
| 14:45.57 | etrunko | timsamoff: its just a matter of having presentations in the afternoon.. |
| 14:46.07 | timsamoff | lcuk: Wishing you were at our hotel to see it. :p |
| 14:46.21 | lardman | etrunko: that is so true |
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| 14:46.55 | timsamoff | will remember that for next time. |
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| 14:47.27 | RST38h | moo wazd |
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| 14:48.40 | wazd | RST38h: hey :) |
| 14:49.27 | wazd | RST38h: can you draw in paint or something the layout that device selector should have? |
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| 14:53.00 | dneary | Thanks gnuton, lcuk |
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| 15:01.38 | gnuton | dneary: :D |
| 15:03.57 | timsamoff | Have fun everyone. Catch you later. |
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| 15:28.26 | Stskeeps | heh, the "which it device do you own" poll should have had RX-51 and RX-71 in it and "prototype" |
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| 15:43.37 | GeneralAntilles | Ugh |
| 15:43.43 | GeneralAntilles | Foiled by benny1967 again |
| 15:43.47 | Stskeeps | mm? |
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| 15:44.16 | GeneralAntilles | I keep typing out these long replies to her questions and forgetting she has me on ignore. |
| 15:44.37 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 15:45.24 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, benny is a girl? |
| 15:45.41 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, as far as I can tell. |
| 15:45.59 | GeneralAntilles | I COULD be wrong, but that's the impression I've gotten. |
| 15:46.21 | GeneralAntilles | (I'm likely wrong, I would've sworn krisse was a dude even after Quim corrected me twice. ;)) |
| 15:46.23 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: what did you do to offend him/her? ;) |
| 15:46.31 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, he's a guy :P |
| 15:46.36 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, just my charming personality. |
| 15:46.47 | lardman | qwerty12: that's probably why he's offended :D |
| 15:46.57 | qwerty12 | lol :D |
| 15:47.10 | Myrtti | is glad about not being active on any discussion forums these days |
| 15:47.11 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: you didn't order him to write a blog post or anything nasty like that? :) |
| 15:47.38 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, no, but your blog posts have now been converted to some sort of beverage. :P |
| 15:48.03 | GeneralAntilles | That voting thread is a funny thing. I'd never have pictured myself as such a polarizer. |
| 15:48.13 | Stskeeps | Myrtti: i check iTT while having my morning coffee. that scares me sometimes. |
| 15:48.28 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: blog posts?! Mine are like unicorns |
| 15:48.47 | Myrtti | Stskeeps: I used to be a moderator of one of the biggest discussion forums in Finland |
| 15:49.07 | GeneralAntilles | So, what, 8 people? :P |
| 15:49.08 | lardman | (that is fabled and non-existant, not white and horny) |
| 15:49.10 | Myrtti | Stskeeps: technically I might still be |
| 15:50.15 | lcuk | lardman, beware - Myrtti has a thing for unicorns, she might come hunting |
| 15:51.20 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: we're including "Drag lock" patch for mer 0.11, heh :) |
| 15:51.49 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: nice :) |
| 15:52.00 | Stskeeps | waiting for pygtk to build so i can actually test it.. |
| 15:52.00 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 15:52.38 | qwerty12 | Build a simple C applet |
| 15:53.21 | Stskeeps | yes, but homeip is so excellent |
| 15:53.57 | lardman | anyone have any comments on the barcode GSoC page I put up? |
| 15:55.37 | lcuk | lardman, link |
| 15:55.54 | lardman | http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009/Barcode_scanner |
| 15:56.21 | lcuk | ta, Stskeeps drag lock, is that to stop applet madness, or to make it that bit more random |
| 15:56.30 | Stskeeps | to make the applets stay in place |
| 15:56.31 | lcuk | (drag lock on desktop is odd!) |
| 15:56.53 | lcuk | then its not drag lock is it? what was it called in os2007 |
| 15:57.05 | Stskeeps | layout mode |
| 15:57.18 | lcuk | Definition of: drag lock. The ability to lock onto a screen object so that it can be dragged with the mouse without continuously holding down the mouse ( |
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| 15:57.32 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 16:01.09 | lcuk | lardman, have you seen or spoken with lbt - he has a really good suggestion that the barcode scanner expose a DBUS signal upon identification, that way any listening programs can react - barcode scanning *could* in theory be inserted right at the core of the gstreamer stack to allow global barcode availablility |
| 16:01.36 | lardman | yes I saw that mentioned on the maemo-devel list, sounds like a good idea |
| 16:02.16 | lcuk | in theory it does, but whether or not its gonna be useful actually, shopper already would have to modify its UI to show hide the camera anyway |
| 16:02.27 | derf | lardman: Unless the student has lots of image processing experience (which for an undergrad would be surprising), I would suggest that 1) would probably not be a good idea. |
| 16:02.31 | lcuk | unless of course just opening up the main camera app does it |
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| 16:03.02 | lardman | derf: agreed, I just wanted to list all the things I think could be done |
| 16:03.28 | derf | Okay. Just saying you may want to put some caveats there, and possibly not list it first. |
| 16:03.35 | lardman | derf: not really worth doing 1) atm anyway, as the existing codes are fine (if a bit slow in some cases). More of an academic project |
| 16:03.36 | lcuk | derf, i agree, but if the framework could be hammered to get decent 1d scanning using a plugin type class structure it can be expanded on with relative ease |
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| 16:04.55 | lcuk | lardman, do you think the devil keeps an N8x0 handy and sans everyones souls |
| 16:05.01 | lcuk | scans |
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| 16:05.27 | lcuk | likes 3.3.5 :D |
| 16:05.56 | lardman | no point in limiting ourselves |
| 16:06.21 | lcuk | agreed there |
| 16:07.13 | lcuk | most of the barcode processing ive done was with zapper guns and it simply returned the code as a string for entry in the syste mat the correct place |
| 16:07.44 | lardman | yeah, the gun acts as a keyboard and sends the ascii codes |
| 16:08.49 | lardman | Anyway, do feel free to add comments, things I've missed out, etc |
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| 16:09.13 | sisto | hi! |
| 16:09.14 | lardman | I just thought that any GSoC students should really focus on something useful rather than re-inventing the wheel |
| 16:09.58 | lcuk | yeah thats positively agreed |
| 16:10.38 | sisto | anyone know what the default device lock pass is? |
| 16:11.08 | lcuk | it has a lock? |
| 16:11.10 | sisto | on n810 |
| 16:11.17 | sisto | yes |
| 16:11.22 | sisto | press the power button |
| 16:11.29 | Stskeeps | 1234 |
| 16:11.29 | lcuk | has had n810 for over 12 months now and has never seen a pass |
| 16:11.30 | sisto | then select lock device |
| 16:11.34 | lcuk | oh, i never use that |
| 16:11.35 | Stskeeps | or 0000 |
| 16:11.45 | lcuk | but dont enter it wrong twice |
| 16:11.47 | derf | My point was, to really do things properly, you need an integrated detector that is looking for _all_ of the formats at once. None of the one-off "recognize this specific format" libraries are structured like that, so to build such a thing requires a lot of work. |
| 16:11.49 | lcuk | or it locks forever |
| 16:11.56 | tank-man | Hi, I ran this command "apt-get remove docpurge" does this sound safe? its asking to remove 2 packages "docpurge osso-software-version-rx34" |
| 16:12.07 | lcuk | derf, you just became the norton antivirus of barcode detectors! |
| 16:12.09 | sisto | Stskeeps: none work |
| 16:12.16 | Stskeeps | tank-man: why do you want to remove docpurge? :P |
| 16:12.25 | tank-man | cause i want help files |
| 16:12.32 | Stskeeps | it doesnt resurrect them |
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| 16:12.48 | tank-man | well for new programs i install from now on , i want help files for them |
| 16:12.51 | Stskeeps | ah |
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| 16:13.12 | lardman | derf: the way zxing does it is to use quick and dirty identifier functions, I suggest that in 1.5 |
| 16:13.13 | tank-man | specifically for maxima ( a math CAS program) |
| 16:13.19 | derf | I mean, a lot of this stuff is very similar... looking for black/white/black/etc. segments with lengths of these approximate ratios... |
| 16:13.24 | sisto | GOT IT!!!!!!!! |
| 16:13.26 | sisto | it was 12345 |
| 16:13.29 | derf | There is no reason you should not be looking for all of those simultaneously. |
| 16:13.39 | qwerty12 | tank-man, move /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99-docpurge |
| 16:13.43 | lcuk | i do agree |
| 16:13.55 | qwerty12 | tank-man, then it won't run when you install something |
| 16:14.03 | tank-man | thanks qwerty12 ill look into that file |
| 16:14.10 | lardman | derf: it's probably simpler (and therefore easier to write and make it work) to work from the easy cases up wards in complexity |
| 16:14.32 | lcuk | and i wonder if - like with a virus scan - you can split detecftion into 2 phases, quick identification followed by indepth confirmation - which is basically what lardman said up there as well |
| 16:14.42 | lardman | derf: so 1D is pretty trivial, no point in doing all the thresholding business needed for a 2D pattern if it turns out that 1D can do it |
| 16:15.02 | lardman | i.e. threshold just the one line of pixels, not the whole image |
| 16:15.04 | derf | lardman: You're still assuming that there's only one code in the image. |
| 16:15.11 | lardman | derf: true |
| 16:15.18 | derf | Which is emphatically not true in real images. |
| 16:15.48 | lcuk | theres an advert some magazines for a camera i think, and its facial recognition has highlighted about 20 faces in the pic |
| 16:16.03 | derf | QR codes even have a fun mode called "Double QR" that has a smaller QR code embedded in a larger code. |
| 16:16.05 | lcuk | really neat :) |
| 16:16.12 | derf | So you can't even assume they don't overlap! |
| 16:16.13 | lardman | if it can be made to work fast enough then fine, otherwise go the easy route and get something that works |
| 16:16.33 | lardman | derf: but once you've recognised that it's a QR you can process that extra stuff? |
| 16:16.44 | derf | Well, that is what I'm currently doing. |
| 16:17.02 | lardman | good good :) |
| 16:17.10 | lardman | how long does the decoder take? |
| 16:17.16 | lcuk | qr is identified by the 3 corner unitsw isnt it - those act like the guard bars on a standard EAN code? |
| 16:17.25 | derf | ~10% longer than zxing for codes they both successfully recognize. |
| 16:17.39 | lardman | what kind of order of magnitude are we talking? |
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| 16:18.29 | derf | I haven't benchmarked it on the actual device with camera-sized images. |
| 16:18.31 | GeneralAntilles | Stupid cat |
| 16:18.42 | derf | Or even at all without the overhead of PNG decoding. |
| 16:18.51 | lardman | I guess porting the whole of ZXing to C/C++ is an option; or obtaining GCC with a java compiler of course |
| 16:18.59 | derf | Let's just say PNG decoding is a significant fraction of it. |
| 16:19.04 | lardman | ok |
| 16:19.53 | lcuk | derf, "camera sized images" - n8x0 webcam, or proper multi mpixel? |
| 16:20.09 | derf | lcuk: N8x0 camera. |
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| 16:20.26 | lcuk | fair enough |
| 16:20.38 | andrei1089 | jhg |
| 16:21.03 | derf | Image size makes a large difference for the detection. It's not nearly as important for decoding. |
| 16:22.06 | lcuk | libpng would like to strongly disagree with you :P |
| 16:23.39 | derf | Anyway, my point was that it is, in fact, very important to limit a GSoC project to something a student can reasonably be expected to do. |
| 16:23.59 | derf | And students are not very good judges of what they can actually do. |
| 16:24.10 | lardman | I guess so, but don't they choose depending on what they think they can do? |
| 16:24.18 | lardman | ah, I see :) |
| 16:24.41 | derf | lardman: Students have spent years having projects spoon fed to them that are designed to be exactly appropriate for their current skill level. |
| 16:25.03 | derf | I honestly think some of them have never even considered that they might not be able to do some proposed task. |
| 16:25.34 | lardman | well the problem I have is that I know what I think should be done, and I'd just do it myself if I had the time |
| 16:25.51 | derf | Yes. You cannot treat GSoC projects like that. |
| 16:25.52 | Stskeeps | heh, - i'm a student programmer at a research project. we've ended up concluding our job description is to "figure out how to do the impossible and then do it" |
| 16:26.00 | lardman | and as people have chosen to look at barcode stuff, I thought I should at least stick my oar in and say what I think needs doing |
| 16:26.47 | derf | I mean, you never know... sometimes you get a truly exceptional student. |
| 16:26.54 | derf | But they're usually in high demand. |
| 16:28.01 | lardman | I do wonder really at some of the timelines, all seem to be very relaxed |
| 16:28.20 | lardman | considering they will be working full time on the projects |
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| 16:29.56 | derf | In my experience $4500 and no accountability means it's very unlikely they will actually work anything like a real full-time schedule, though of course they will all claim to. |
| 16:30.20 | lardman | yeah, bit of an issue that, unless they really love the thing they are going to work on |
| 16:30.34 | derf | Right. That's what you really have to be selecting for. |
| 16:30.46 | Myrtti | *sniffles* |
| 16:30.48 | derf | You want the guy who would be doing this stuff anyway. |
| 16:30.51 | lardman | but looking at some of the plans, they don't actually realise what is extant, which sort of says they are looking for anything to do |
| 16:31.35 | derf | Yeah, those guys are pretty hard to find, while the "looking for anything to do" students are quite common. |
| 16:31.54 | GeneralAntilles | I say we tie lardman to a chair for the Summer. :P |
| 16:32.13 | derf | I'd pay $5 to make that happen. |
| 16:32.24 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: I promise to do some programming soon |
| 16:32.53 | lardman | not sure my fiancée would appreciate me not making to the wedding as I'm tied to a chair programming mind you :) |
| 16:33.03 | GeneralAntilles | What good are promises when we can guarantee it by force? :D |
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| 16:33.09 | lardman | lol |
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| 16:33.26 | lardman | that's why I daren't turn up to the mini-summit in May ;) |
| 16:34.07 | Myrtti | has seen quite many good projects in the Finnish equivalent of GSoC |
| 16:34.16 | lardman | anyway, home time, I might even manage to get past the wedding organisation stuff (Windows) and boot my Linux box and write some code |
| 16:34.23 | lardman | cu guys (& girls) later |
| 16:34.28 | GeneralAntilles | Bye |
| 16:34.53 | wazd | btw, anyone is planning to reach SPB FRUCT?) |
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| 16:44.35 | gnuton | re |
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| 16:47.21 | GeneralAntilles | contemplates wiki cleanup |
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| 16:51.29 | rm_you | theres a mini-summit in May? :P |
| 16:52.49 | Stskeeps | where'd you pick that up? :P |
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| 17:00.12 | GeneralAntilles | Alright, that was short lived. |
| 17:01.19 | Stskeeps | mm? |
| 17:01.40 | GeneralAntilles | I tried to get the hidden category template working |
| 17:01.52 | GeneralAntilles | but Wikipedia templates quickly branch out into template hell |
| 17:02.03 | GeneralAntilles | Not dissimilar from dependency hell. |
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| 18:13.45 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: ping |
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| 18:28.04 | RST38h | yawns |
| 18:28.56 | slonopotamus | okay |
| 18:29.06 | slonopotamus | i have bt & wifi working |
| 18:29.33 | slonopotamus | now, join gentoo on n8x0 or surrender :D |
| 18:30.16 | Stskeeps | yes, but we have glitzy ui :P |
| 18:30.46 | Stskeeps | http://zenvoid.org/tmp/mer-new-layout/WIP_20090331_1.png |
| 18:30.58 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, it's just a question of writing ebuilds |
| 18:31.06 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 18:31.24 | slonopotamus | btw |
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| 18:32.09 | GeneralAntilles | Don't love the toolbar gradient |
| 18:32.10 | Stskeeps | there's a GSoC project on putting maemo into openembedded as well |
| 18:32.14 | GeneralAntilles | Flat like Echo is nicer |
| 18:32.27 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, when wpa_supplicant shuts down, it does something nasty to cx3110x making it unload firmware. do you have any workaround? |
| 18:32.29 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: yeah.. we have some problems with gradient atm |
| 18:32.42 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: does it do ifconfig wlan0 down? :P |
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| 18:33.17 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, it does something :) i didn't understand what exactly yet |
| 18:33.51 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, we already have proposals for that project :P |
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| 18:34.07 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, and the only way i found to restore firmware - rmmod && modprobe |
| 18:34.21 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: anywhere visible if you need comments? |
| 18:34.28 | Stskeeps | i can quickly say if it's realistic :P |
| 18:34.33 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, but that's kinda ugly |
| 18:34.40 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: ifconfig wlan0 up? :P |
| 18:34.49 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, not yet, only a draft |
| 18:34.59 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, that doesn't load firmware back |
| 18:35.59 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: think it does |
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| 18:36.42 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, oh, and i'm updating to gcc-4.3.2 :) |
| 18:36.46 | Stskeeps | hehe |
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| 18:45.25 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, oh, all the time forget to ask you. do you have sound in mer? |
| 18:45.31 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: not yet, do you? |
| 18:45.42 | Stskeeps | without osso-dsp-modules |
| 18:46.17 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, nope |
| 18:46.42 | slonopotamus | some problem with it? |
| 18:46.55 | Stskeeps | well we need DSP tasks to output sound |
| 18:47.25 | slonopotamus | what 'dsp tasks' is? |
| 18:47.55 | slonopotamus | magic thing in closed binary? |
| 18:48.04 | Stskeeps | well there's a DSP in the processors |
| 18:48.17 | Stskeeps | and they obviously have to have software running in it, hence, DSP tasks |
| 18:49.53 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, kind of firmware? |
| 18:49.56 | Stskeeps | yeah, sortof |
| 18:50.12 | Stskeeps | but yeah, magic thing in closed package applies |
| 18:50.15 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, and where's it in maemo? |
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| 18:50.31 | Stskeeps | it's a combination of osso-dsp-loader(sp) and osso-dsp-modules-rx-44 |
| 18:52.08 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, closed and not present in initfs? |
| 18:52.50 | Stskeeps | correct |
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| 18:53.23 | Stskeeps | there is a ARM output in kernel but i can't seem to figure out if it can be used |
| 18:53.30 | slonopotamus | hmm... write package that'll download it from maemo repo? :) |
| 18:53.49 | Stskeeps | yeah, i did that for deblet |
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| 19:01.46 | tds5016 | hello all. Is there anyone here that has dealt with getting a camera recognized using flex wiht maemo? |
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| 19:05.10 | Stskeeps | evenign timelE61i |
| 19:05.14 | timelE61i | sO... |
| 19:05.32 | tds5016 | or rather... are there any developers for the nokia n810 that could help me out? |
| 19:05.37 | timelE61i | fwiw, it takes me very close to 18months to get bugs fixed here |
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| 19:06.30 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: so... where's my cookie? I'm hungry. |
| 19:06.47 | Stskeeps | passes qwerty12_N800 a chocolate cookie |
| 19:07.00 | timelE61i | anyway, what can i do? |
| 19:07.20 | Stskeeps | timelE61i: heh, bug cycles are nasty |
| 19:07.22 | qwerty12_N800 | yay! ta |
| 19:07.55 | timelE61i | is poking people about fremantle/diablo features to get them to fix them for harmattan at the earliest |
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| 19:09.33 | Stskeeps | timelE61i: missing a bit of context of the 18 months comment, btw |
| 19:10.19 | timelE61i | sts: oh, it's consistent for lots of bugs |
| 19:10.48 | timelE61i | This was a bug asking the pdf app to use adjectives instead of verbs in info banners |
| 19:11.05 | timelE61i | Adding "ing" to two strings costs 18 months... |
| 19:11.30 | Stskeeps | well i guess it's the consequence of it being a vendor OS, - "priorities" |
| 19:11.41 | timelE61i | shrugs |
| 19:11.45 | Stskeeps | with a community OS you could probably ask someone to take on the simple dirty work |
| 19:11.46 | timelE61i | stabs jeremiah |
| 19:12.01 | timelE61i | sts: or i could translate the whole thing |
| 19:12.05 | timelE61i | As i've done |
| 19:12.11 | timelE61i | In well under a month |
| 19:12.40 | timelE61i | But no... Strings and delegation = fail |
| 19:12.47 | timelE61i | It's the problem, not the solution |
| 19:13.12 | timelE61i | You don't delegate string responsibility to non native speakers |
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| 19:14.21 | Stskeeps | mm, i'm still pondering how on earth to get mer localization kickstarted and which type of infrastructure to use for it |
| 19:14.37 | timelE61i | i'd recommend using my debs |
| 19:15.03 | timelE61i | i'll give you updates once frem stops having secrets |
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| 19:15.19 | Stskeeps | yeah but those versions have the comment text explained or how was it? |
| 19:15.35 | Stskeeps | er |
| 19:15.35 | Stskeeps | removed |
| 19:15.39 | timelE61i | Wrt bugs, i'm filing them in mer and andre is upstreaming them |
| 19:15.58 | timelE61i | Oh, i can push things w/ my comments i suppose |
| 19:16.13 | Stskeeps | i mean, we have a skeleton in the engineering english ones to base off |
| 19:16.17 | timelE61i | I just need to make sure i replace all the nokia comments (which no one wants) |
| 19:16.25 | timelE61i | You don't want skel |
| 19:16.41 | timelE61i | The comments are wrong often enough to be more harm than good |
| 19:16.47 | Stskeeps | true |
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| 19:22.18 | timelE61i | wonders who recognizes "no more secrets" |
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| 19:23.18 | jaska | setec astronomy |
| 19:23.27 | jaska | argh... thats too many :D |
| 19:23.30 | jaska | not no more |
| 19:23.37 | jaska | facepalms |
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| 19:33.36 | Stskeeps | takes a look at transifex |
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| 19:39.33 | andre__ | Stskeeps, yeah, launchpad or transifex, or your own setup of damned-lies or sth like that.... |
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| 19:47.01 | lcuk | threatens to sell the children on ebay |
| 19:47.21 | lcuk | or should i give them away from with an n800? |
| 19:48.29 | qwerty12_N800 | you may have to: northerners aren't high in value |
| 19:48.43 | jaem | hey folks |
| 19:48.51 | qwerty12_N800 | hi jaem |
| 19:51.22 | jaem | I was reading wikipedia, and came across the article about jackalopes |
| 19:51.35 | jaem | which I read, because of the Ubuntu reference |
| 19:51.46 | jaem | the real story behind them is pretty disgusting |
| 19:52.37 | jaem | hrm... I'm confused as to why my N810 won't connect to my friend's wifi |
| 19:53.02 | jaem | he says he didn't change anything except the key, and setting it to AES (it was already WPA2) |
| 19:53.06 | jaem | and it worked before |
| 20:01.30 | till- | reboot your n810 |
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| 20:04.41 | jaem | till-: I have |
| 20:04.43 | jaem | several times |
| 20:04.56 | till- | or your friends ap |
| 20:05.06 | jaem | other networks work fine, but it continually errors out |
| 20:05.09 | jaem | I can ask him to |
| 20:05.15 | jaem | why would that be the issue? |
| 20:05.26 | till- | sometimes my ap is invisible on some devices |
| 20:05.44 | till- | but it worked once? |
| 20:06.28 | jaem | hmm |
| 20:06.35 | jaem | well, I can see it, and everything appears normal |
| 20:06.39 | jaem | it just errors otu |
| 20:06.44 | jaem | thanks, though - I'll try that |
| 20:09.22 | Stskeeps | dislikes transifex |
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| 20:13.48 | padovan | hi, is there any diablo kernel git tree? |
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| 20:16.09 | tds5016 | can someone tell me if they know if you can et flash 9 to see the camera on maemo? |
| 20:17.35 | qwerty12_N800 | tz1 hacked flashcam to work but it only works with chinook's flash |
| 20:18.04 | tds5016 | huh? |
| 20:18.35 | tds5016 | I am trying to write an app in flex that will let the camera be used with flex media server. |
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| 20:22.33 | padovan | florian: is there any diablo kernel git tree? |
| 20:23.32 | florian | padovan: no that i'm aware of |
| 20:24.57 | Macer | i get a kick out of the 100MB/s network speeds i'm getting with this nexenta server :) it's great |
| 20:26.38 | tds5016 | what is chinook version? |
| 20:30.45 | padovan | florian: I wanna see the difference from linus tree, I'll try to look the diff in deb package instead =) |
| 20:30.56 | padovan | thanks |
| 20:31.57 | padovan | florian: another question: is the work in GSoC just upgrade the drivers to the new kernel API and features? |
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| 20:53.34 | tds5016 | can someone tell me how I get the video from the nokia n810? |
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| 20:56.51 | RST38h | you do not |
| 20:56.55 | RST38h | no video out |
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| 20:57.13 | tds5016 | RST38h: was that to me? |
| 20:57.22 | RST38h | yes |
| 20:57.30 | tds5016 | RST38h: so I can't use flex/flash to get/stream video? |
| 20:57.54 | RST38h | this I do not know. |
| 20:58.24 | tds5016 | hmm, do you have any idea how I would go about getting the camera to use in flex? |
| 20:58.26 | tds5016 | if that makes snes? |
| 20:58.32 | tds5016 | or any place I could go to look for htat? |
| 20:58.38 | RST38h | you probably don't. |
| 20:58.52 | tds5016 | flash and camera don't relaly work together with google. |
| 20:58.53 | tds5016 | haha. |
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| 21:02.40 | Stskeeps | timelE61i: 'Sorry, an error is causing troubles to send your file.' |
| 21:02.52 | Stskeeps | (.. in a localization framework) |
| 21:03.11 | tds5016 | anyone know the best way to get video to stream it from the n810? |
| 21:04.08 | RST38h | Sts: Could you, as a hardcore linux geek, enlighten me on something? |
| 21:04.17 | Stskeeps | mm, maybe |
| 21:04.22 | Stskeeps | and i'm more of a unix geek |
| 21:04.37 | Stskeeps | my first unix was a SINIX :P |
| 21:04.41 | RST38h | Sts: I have got an embedded Linux install that I want to run my own program on startup, rather than ask for login. How do I approach this? |
| 21:04.50 | RST38h | started on CMU Mach |
| 21:05.16 | Stskeeps | RST38h: inittab stuff, use your program in inittab i guess, or use runlevels.. |
| 21:05.53 | RST38h | aha |
| 21:05.55 | Stskeeps | as in, the login comes from the getty stuff :P |
| 21:06.10 | RST38h | yea, I know that but do not know where Linux keeps it =) |
| 21:06.34 | Stskeeps | if they're still on sysvinit, /etc/rc?.d , or /etc/inittab |
| 21:07.00 | Stskeeps | should go to bed |
| 21:07.33 | RST38h | inittab looks like the best place |
| 21:07.43 | RST38h | also allows me to keep getty on the serial port |
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| 21:15.17 | andre__ | hmm, nobody filing new bugs for me :'( |
| 21:16.17 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, just wait 'til the beta. ;) |
| 21:16.20 | lbt | scratchbox |
| 21:16.26 | lbt | runs away |
| 21:17.11 | VDVsx | andre__, can I fill bugs about ITT user's :P ? |
| 21:17.12 | VDVsx | lol |
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| 21:18.02 | andre__ | VDVsx, no, out of scope. and PEBKAC. |
| 21:19.03 | lbt | andre__: are you a Qt person? |
| 21:19.59 | andre__ | lbt, nope |
| 21:20.15 | lbt | there's a bug right there then :) |
| 21:20.26 | lbt | heh |
| 21:20.40 | lbt | I was going to point you at some stuff but no worries... |
| 21:20.42 | VDVsx | andre__, PEBKAC can be fixed :) |
| 21:20.59 | andre__ | lbt, file a bug :) |
| 21:21.26 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 21:21.59 | tds5016 | anyone know of a tutorail for maemo on how to get access to the camera from C++ or anything like that? |
| 21:22.00 | lbt | nah, I've been doing some kinetics for Qt-hildon and I want another Qt bod to test them |
| 21:22.16 | tds5016 | I basically need to get the stream, and send it over a socket. |
| 21:22.26 | tds5016 | to darwin streaming server. |
| 21:23.29 | timelE61i | tDs: the camera is v4l 2 iirc |
| 21:23.42 | timelE61i | Samples shouldn't be too hard to find |
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| 21:25.31 | VDVsx | tds5016, I think you can get the camera also through gstream, google should help you |
| 21:28.07 | tds5016 | VDVsx: do you know what I should google for? |
| 21:28.30 | tds5016 | am I just using gstreamer directly? and how would I go about doing that with either C or python or WHATEVER would work? |
| 21:29.19 | VDVsx | tds5016, found this: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/39632 |
| 21:29.25 | VDVsx | tds5016, HTH |
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| 21:31.35 | tds5016 | thanks soo much1 |
| 21:34.43 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, Stskeeps, the nokia camera app is OSS ? |
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| 21:36.28 | lcuk | VDVsx, even if its not which functionality are you wanting to use |
| 21:37.47 | VDVsx | lcuk, your framework only take photos or have video too ? |
| 21:38.19 | lcuk | photos only, but i just access gstreamer which does handle movies |
| 21:38.39 | lcuk | ie, a standard minimal gstreamer video testing app should give you the functionaluty |
| 21:39.31 | lcuk | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/30307 |
| 21:39.48 | lcuk | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/camera/ |
| 21:40.28 | VDVsx | tds5016, loook above |
| 21:41.24 | lcuk | lol i should learn to read scrollback more than 2 or 3 lines :P |
| 21:41.40 | VDVsx | lcuk, ehheh |
| 21:42.15 | lcuk | i was distracted by lbt talking about kinetics and thought i had read the whole block |
| 21:44.35 | lcuk | lbt, lbt, the delay between pressing down and determining no swipe is in progress, what is it in ms |
| 21:44.37 | VDVsx | lcuk, talking about lbt, I saw her video. Qt seems really promising on the tablets :) |
| 21:44.55 | lbt | 300ms |
| 21:45.06 | lbt | HER! |
| 21:45.10 | lcuk | yes david (him) has made excellent progress with qt :) |
| 21:45.25 | lcuk | tittered |
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| 21:45.49 | lbt | I think it's 'cos I have Denise on my contacts ;) |
| 21:46.09 | VDVsx | lbt, sorry :( my english is very rusty |
| 21:46.31 | lbt | VDVsx: I forgive you if you install Shopper :D |
| 21:46.40 | lbt | needs the hits |
| 21:46.59 | VDVsx | lbt, already installed |
| 21:46.59 | lcuk | long tail david :) you have started something |
| 21:47.36 | lbt | likes VDVsx |
| 21:49.14 | lcuk | does too :) |
| 21:49.47 | lbt | doesn't like bluesubaru |
| 21:50.58 | guysoft422 | hey, my device seems to reboot if i connect a USB keyboard. i tried this on my old system (that is in the flash card), and it works ok.. so it seems to be a new bug since i upgraded, did anyone encounter this? |
| 21:51.59 | lcuk | lbt, mouse down/mouse up, ie click events. does most of QT work directly on the mousedown |
| 21:53.13 | lbt | lcuk : https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/qt-x11/src/gui/widgets/qabstractscrollarea.cpp?revision=460&root=qt4&view=markup |
| 21:53.23 | lbt | search for QAbstractScrollAreaPrivateScroller |
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| 21:54.25 | lcuk | doesnt help with what im thinking |
| 21:54.36 | lcuk | which is related to the other controls within the scrolled area |
| 21:54.42 | lcuk | and how this tweak will effect them |
| 21:54.48 | lbt | so I store copies of events, eat them and then replay later to the right widget if needed |
| 21:55.15 | lcuk | and its all based on time? |
| 21:55.31 | guysoft422 | how can plugging a usb make the nokia device reboot? is there a way to track why it does that? |
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| 21:56.22 | lcuk | guysoft422, check the label on the bottom of the keyboard, if its obove or near the 100ma MAX available for usb otg, then its probably overloading the system |
| 21:56.27 | lcuk | i had it when i first played |
| 21:56.59 | lcuk | try it with a powered hub and tell me if it reboots still |
| 21:57.41 | guysoft422 | lcuk, the keyboard works on the OS that is on the internal flash.. my main system is on the flashcard.. its a cloned version.. i just tried to plug a keyboard here after some months not trying it. and not it hangs |
| 21:58.25 | lcuk | i dunno, perhaps it still has something to do with power consumption, what rating is the keyboard. |
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| 22:01.47 | guysoft422 | lcuk, its not the power, its a software problem.. because it works .. and worked before.. also before it hangs the LED flashed white.. it seems to know it is rebooting |
| 22:02.44 | guysoft422 | lcuk, more likely its something to do with the hebrew layout i have.. thats a suspicion.. |
| 22:02.51 | guysoft422 | far more than power.. |
| 22:03.12 | guysoft422 | but the main problem is i have no way to debug this... i need something to track |
| 22:03.14 | lcuk | then you know more than me, i can only go on past experience with bt |
| 22:03.18 | lcuk | with usb ^ |
| 22:03.33 | timelE61i | gUys: so |
| 22:03.43 | timelE61i | Could you please humor lcuk? |
| 22:04.05 | guysoft422 | lcuk, you might know how to track such an error. thats what i need .. |
| 22:04.06 | timelE61i | Just because one kernel allocates power a certain way doesn't mean another does |
| 22:04.38 | timelE61i | but.. Have you checked dmesg? |
| 22:04.50 | timelE61i | You can install sysklogd |
| 22:04.54 | guysoft422 | timelE61i, was there a kernel change the past 3 month |
| 22:05.35 | guysoft422 | ?* |
| 22:05.48 | timelE61i | Kernel would only change w/ releases |
| 22:05.58 | guysoft422 | timelE61i, then its the same kernel |
| 22:05.59 | timelE61i | Are you using the same release on both? |
| 22:06.07 | guysoft422 | timelE61i, yes |
| 22:06.30 | guysoft422 | i just removed the hebrew package and rebooted, ill test that now |
| 22:06.53 | lcuk | while its rebooting flip the kb over and read the rating ;) |
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| 22:07.58 | timelE61i | aNdre: ping |
| 22:08.03 | jaem | hey folks |
| 22:08.14 | jaem | did you see this on Engadget today? http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/31/researchers-develop-braille-for-vibrating-touchscreen/ |
| 22:08.17 | andre__ | timelE61i, pong |
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| 22:08.55 | jaem | it says they used an N770 for it |
| 22:08.56 | guysoft422 | lcuk, its a flexi |
| 22:09.05 | lcuk | jaem, wow, thats inspired! |
| 22:09.30 | lcuk | likes finding new ways to communicate |
| 22:09.31 | jaem | it doesn't sound like they had to modify the hardware, from what I've read so far |
| 22:09.36 | jaem | lcuk: me too |
| 22:09.39 | jaem | it's brilliant |
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| 22:10.16 | lcuk | has anyone stripped the 770, are the speakers piezo? |
| 22:11.10 | VDVsx | jaem, I also saw a video (from nokia) where the guys use some sort of responsive touchscreen on a ITT, dunno if is the same research |
| 22:11.23 | lcuk | fair enough guysoft422, not an answer but since its designed for mobile ill let you off :P |
| 22:11.39 | jaem | lcuk: it sounds like the screen itself has piezo properties |
| 22:12.00 | lcuk | i want my tablet to shout and yelp in pain if its pressed too hard |
| 22:12.05 | guysoft422 | ok, its not the hebrew.. |
| 22:12.45 | guysoft422 | the other suspects that i installed could be the connection manager, and the debian easy chroot |
| 22:12.50 | lcuk | jaem, i bet they modded it |
| 22:13.01 | timelE61i | pokes andre.. Msg me |
| 22:13.41 | lcuk | on the newscientist page they say its in the screen itself: "Nokia 770 Internet Tablet, which has a piezoelectric material built into the touch screen that vibrates when an electric signal is applied to it." |
| 22:13.43 | jaem | lcuk: that's what I thought, but here's a quote from the NewScientist article: "To display these dots on a touch-screen device, Jussi Rantala of the University of Tampere in Finland and colleagues used a Nokia 770 Internet Tablet, which has a piezoelectric material built into the touch screen that vibrates when an electric signal is applied to it." |
| 22:13.52 | jaem | lol |
| 22:14.01 | jaem | oh, I see what you mean - I read it differently than you |
| 22:14.07 | jaem | I'm trying to find the original paper |
| 22:14.12 | lcuk | technically, thats possibly true and would work in inverse, but thats not how the touchscreen is made |
| 22:14.48 | lcuk | A prototype device with a piezoelectric actuator embedded under the touchscreen was used to create tactile feedback. |
| 22:14.55 | lcuk | ^^^ |
| 22:14.57 | jaem | ah, okay |
| 22:14.59 | jaem | link? |
| 22:14.59 | lcuk | haptics :) |
| 22:15.02 | jaem | right |
| 22:15.07 | jaem | still, a neat idea |
| 22:15.11 | lcuk | in the header for the ieee thing http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/search/wrapper.jsp?arnumber=4760140 |
| 22:15.38 | jaem | I suppose you could program it so you could just tap some text on the screen with your finger, and have it "read" it to you |
| 22:15.41 | jaem | thanks |
| 22:15.44 | timelE61i | wE've had demos of those |
| 22:15.52 | timelE61i | Both w/ 770s and n800s |
| 22:15.55 | timelE61i | shrugs |
| 22:15.55 | jaem | timelE61i: oh, really? That particular demo? |
| 22:16.00 | timelE61i | dunno |
| 22:16.10 | timelE61i | is using a phone to chat |
| 22:16.18 | timelE61i | Various piezo-s |
| 22:16.20 | jaem | it's a neat idea |
| 22:16.25 | lcuk | it would help with knowing where you are if done properly |
| 22:16.37 | jaem | what are you thinking of? |
| 22:16.40 | timelE61i | It would fail on average |
| 22:16.52 | timelE61i | Wanna use youtube in microb? |
| 22:16.54 | timelE61i | Have fun |
| 22:17.16 | jaem | ? |
| 22:17.19 | guysoft422 | usb mouse seems to have stoped working too |
| 22:17.21 | timelE61i | By the time you're using braille, you need custom apps |
| 22:17.26 | guysoft422 | at least it does not hang |
| 22:17.39 | lcuk | timelE61i, im thinking for texting without looking ;) |
| 22:17.44 | timelE61i | Sure we could --enable-accessible |
| 22:17.59 | timelE61i | Lcuk: my e61i can do that |
| 22:17.59 | lcuk | boundaries of buttons having a small wall which when stroked over give feedback |
| 22:18.05 | lcuk | yeah lol |
| 22:18.09 | guysoft422 | usb key works. |
| 22:18.16 | jaem | lcuk: I've heard of a in-car GPS unit that did that |
| 22:18.19 | timelE61i | And it can speak the replies to me |
| 22:18.20 | jaem | not sure if it was production or not |
| 22:18.29 | VDVsx | jaem, http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-demonstrate-haptikos-haptic-touchscreen-prototypes-088405/ http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-promo-video-shows-haptic-touchscreen-concept-for-2008-188043/ and http://www.redferret.net/?p=9533 |
| 22:18.38 | timelE61i | Note that i'm not claiming n810 touch typing |
| 22:18.52 | VDVsx | and there a video also, can't found it |
| 22:18.54 | jaem | VDVsx: thanks - I'll take a look |
| 22:19.18 | timelE61i | The resistive demos we had and there were a couple... |
| 22:19.19 | lcuk | ta vdv |
| 22:19.27 | VDVsx | jaem, one of the links have a video in a nokia event, but I saw other video with the ITT |
| 22:19.29 | timelE61i | Were interesting but nowhere near marketable |
| 22:20.07 | timelE61i | If someone got braille truly working, that's probably better than what i've felt |
| 22:20.19 | timelE61i | But i wouldn't bother |
| 22:20.20 | jaem | ...the usual story - half the fun things arent' marketable :P |
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| 22:20.44 | timelE61i | I'd argue that users are better served by a companion device |
| 22:20.54 | jaem | how is braille traditionally done on computers? I've never looked into it |
| 22:21.01 | VDVsx | timelE61i, but the responsive thing will be marketable soon, IMO |
| 22:21.02 | lcuk | with hardware |
| 22:21.08 | timelE61i | There's typically a row |
| 22:21.18 | timelE61i | Which you read repeatedly |
| 22:21.23 | timelE61i | "read"=scan |
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| 22:22.23 | jaem | timelE61i: linear-actuated pins, then? |
| 22:22.46 | timelE61i | yEs |
| 22:23.18 | jaem | hmm... interesting |
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| 22:24.31 | timelE61i | think about your average keyboard |
| 22:24.41 | timelE61i | But w/ one more row past the fkeys |
| 22:24.55 | timelE61i | Perhaps there are no fs (i can't remember) |
| 22:25.01 | timelE61i | That row is output |
| 22:25.02 | jaem | yeah, I've seen pictures - just nothing detailed |
| 22:25.34 | timelE61i | anyway... Braille in 3space is hard |
| 22:25.41 | timelE61i | Err 2space |
| 22:26.04 | jaem | lol |
| 22:26.49 | timelE61i | you can try mapping colors to heights if you have decent resolution and algs |
| 22:27.06 | timelE61i | But you basically need e.g. A high contrast map |
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| 22:27.24 | timelE61i | So mostly it's an outline and very few labels |
| 22:27.54 | timelE61i | Google maps today afaik doesn't really have a format that'd suit this problem |
| 22:28.19 | timelE61i | So a browser for google maps couldn't do much for a blind user |
| 22:29.12 | timelE61i | If you used tracing algs and then did stuff... Perhaps you could use some sort of shape deforming to give feedback |
| 22:29.20 | timelE61i | But ... That's hard :) |
| 22:30.50 | jaem | timelE61i: how about topo data from maps on a much higher-resolution pin grid :D |
| 22:31.01 | jaem | probably not at all practical, but definitely cool |
| 22:31.05 | jaem | I could see issues with that |
| 22:32.11 | timelE61i | Some things are doable |
| 22:32.27 | timelE61i | But again, this isn't something you'd put into standard hardware |
| 22:32.33 | timelE61i | It'd be a second unit |
| 22:32.40 | timelE61i | Like the current keyboard |
| 22:34.30 | timelE61i | the costs i'm sure would suck, but ... |
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| 22:35.32 | jaem | indeed |
| 22:35.40 | jaem | well, I should go write up my lab report |
| 22:35.42 | jaem | cheers |
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| 22:37.54 | timelE61i | aCtually, one thing... |
| 22:38.00 | timelE61i | You don't need high res |
| 22:38.10 | timelE61i | You need panning and zoom |
| 22:39.12 | timelE61i | As long as the thing is say 3"square and you can zoom in/out and pan easily, the user could pan the real screen |
| 22:39.48 | timelE61i | technically your fingers are high res, but practically, it'd be easier to cut a corner there |
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| 22:41.44 | timelE61i | listens and watches as a drunk hicks and staggers around |
| 22:44.09 | VDVsx | thought fini's only get drunk in the weekend's :P |
| 22:44.21 | lbt | sun's gone down |
| 22:44.32 | lbt | they don't know what day it is this month |
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| 22:45.49 | timelE61i | typically su/mo/tu aren't big nights, but... Bars were open |
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| 23:01.57 | lbt | nigt all |
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| 23:21.55 | fireun | there needs to be a firefox plugin that shows which tabs are hogging resources |
| 23:22.22 | fireun | tired of having too many tabs and not knowing which is causing firefox to run at 100% cpu |
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| 23:22.37 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 23:22.55 | fireun | resource management is tough |
| 23:33.16 | fireun | ahha! found it.. stupid discovery.com running a scrolling text banner, in flash. |
| 23:33.25 | fireun | yeah, that was worth it. |
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| 23:37.54 | tank-man | usually it is a page with flash eating the cpu |
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