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| 00:13.57 | jaem_afk | huh... talk about future-proof. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/moredimmingoptions/ apparently works on OS20008 :P |
| 00:15.20 | qwerty12_N800 | The postinst just runs a couple gconftool commands :) |
| 00:16.02 | jaem | they still use GConf in the year 20008? |
| 00:16.12 | jaem | you'd think it would have been superseded by then |
| 00:17.58 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe, maybe windows will be gone by then too :p |
| 00:17.59 | Stskeeps | funky fact - it's possible to have multiple hildon home windows it seems, heh |
| 00:18.15 | jaem | Stskeeps: how exactly did you figure this out? |
| 00:18.31 | Stskeeps | jaem: killing my braincells one by one by spending too much time in hildon-desktop source package. |
| 00:18.36 | jaem | heh |
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| 02:17.37 | jeremiah_ | python setuptools? |
| 02:17.40 | jeremiah_ | Where are they? |
| 02:17.46 | jeremiah_ | I cannot find them in fremantle. |
| 02:17.54 | jeremiah_ | *hrumph* |
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| 02:55.48 | prct | Does anyone here uses pluthon? |
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| 03:13.36 | z4chh | props to whoever wrote this http://repository.maemo.org/stable/diablo/INSTALL.txt ...installing maemo sdk was mad easy |
| 03:13.43 | z4chh | and those scripts.. |
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| 04:35.19 | jaem | hey folks |
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| 06:58.46 | Stskeeps | morning |
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| 07:00.05 | GAN800 | Stupid desktop wont boot . . . fun |
| 07:00.32 | Stskeeps | after the power cut? |
| 07:00.44 | GAN800 | After I turned it off |
| 07:03.04 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 07:04.25 | GAN800 | sighs |
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| 07:09.08 | GAN800 | Oh yeah, that's definitely a leak. |
| 07:09.56 | Stskeeps | speaking about your desktop still or the magical RX-51? :P |
| 07:10.10 | GAN800 | Desktop. It's got drips. . . . |
| 07:10.15 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 07:10.32 | GAN800 | Exactly what I need. |
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| 07:15.51 | qwerty12 | Always a nice feeling: just realising that the clocks went forward >.< |
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| 07:17.22 | Stskeeps | yeah |
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| 07:42.48 | Stskeeps | is trying desperately to make a hildon desktop plugin toggle the menu on h-d. |
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| 07:46.30 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps, the menu that should open instead of "all"? |
| 07:46.55 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 07:47.00 | Stskeeps | i have it working with "F4" now |
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| 07:47.43 | Meizirkki | ok |
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| 07:51.45 | Meizirkki | How about using wmctrl for fullscreening in Mer? That way even unhildonized would fullscreen? :) |
| 07:52.22 | Stskeeps | maybe, but you have to consider the events go to the window i think |
| 07:52.24 | qwerty12 | powerlaunch can already do that, just go to its calendar interface and press the fullscreen key |
| 07:57.45 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:00.35 | wazd | hey everbody |
| 08:00.57 | Stskeeps | morning wazd |
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| 08:07.53 | aksl | hi |
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| 08:08.37 | qwerty12 | X-Fade, if you happen to be around on a sunday, ping... |
| 08:10.40 | GeneralAntilles | Does somebody want to go explain why maemo.org/Maemo is an important distinction? I don't think the point will be well received coming from me, and I'm not in a great mood at the moment. ;) |
| 08:10.55 | timeless_mbp_ | i'm not sure i want to explain it |
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| 08:11.44 | timeless_mbp | wait, explain it to some random end person who's being troublesome? count me OUT |
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| 08:12.40 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, it's the "why didn't you vote" thread on itT |
| 08:12.55 | GeneralAntilles | Your opinion wont be well received there either. ;) |
| 08:13.01 | timeless_mbp | itT? i don't go there |
| 08:13.04 | timeless_mbp | i'm not that stupid |
| 08:13.32 | GeneralAntilles | Not stupid in that way, anyway. :P |
| 08:13.39 | timeless_mbp | chuckles |
| 08:13.47 | timeless_mbp | The preflight script for MacFuse Core contains lines such as |
| 08:13.47 | timeless_mbp | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:13.47 | timeless_mbp | If INSTALL_VOLUME contains spaces (e.g., "/Volumes/MyDisk 2"), the |
| 08:13.47 | timeless_mbp | script will execute |
| 08:13.47 | timeless_mbp | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:13.58 | timeless_mbp | yay scripts |
| 08:14.19 | timeless_mbp | (fwiw, it was fixed the same day it was reported) |
| 08:15.30 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 08:17.33 | timeless_mbp | considers issuing zfs snapshot -r |
| 08:18.41 | timeless_mbp | timeless-mbp:Mobile Applications timeless$ zfs snapshot -r rpool@20090329 |
| 08:18.42 | timeless_mbp | :) |
| 08:18.56 | Stskeeps | i guess insanity has finally kicked in. i am occasionally thinking to myself "my, wouldn't it be great to just recode hildon-desktop to make it sane" |
| 08:19.04 | timeless_mbp | now i can wreck most of my system safely :) |
| 08:19.14 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: awesome |
| 08:19.26 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: btw, do you use MSOffice.mac? |
| 08:21.19 | GeneralAntilles | No |
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| 08:22.28 | GeneralAntilles | Hum, I'm too stupid to figure out how to make this netbook use an external display |
| 08:22.35 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 08:22.46 | GeneralAntilles | The Display control panel is worse than XP's |
| 08:23.01 | timeless_mbp | windows' display panel really isn't that bad... |
| 08:23.19 | GeneralAntilles | It confuses me way more than Apple's does |
| 08:23.32 | timeless_mbp | apple's annoys me |
| 08:24.07 | GeneralAntilles | Apple's has always logically done whatever I've asked it to do, which isn't something I can say for anything Microsoft has churned out. |
| 08:24.40 | ds3 | 9 |
| 08:24.45 | timeless_mbp | can you get osx to do per display color profiles? |
| 08:25.00 | timeless_mbp | i seem to recall not being able to get that to work |
| 08:25.07 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, yes. |
| 08:25.16 | GeneralAntilles | All of my displays are calibrated. |
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| 08:32.06 | timeless_mbp | So basically your kid is like a programming language with poor looping support - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1179419&no_d2=1&cid=27377255 |
| 08:35.59 | Stskeeps | heh |
| 08:38.17 | GeneralAntilles | If I get a new Mac Pro out of this thing it'll make my year |
| 08:40.12 | timeless_mbp | personally i think it's more like a REPL w/o looping support beyond your ability to yell another order :) |
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| 08:40.38 | timeless_mbp | since a programming language generally implies some degree of persistence (subroutines) |
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| 08:44.07 | qwerty12 | No, please. Don't throw a SIGSEGV, I can handle the pain. I won't go insane, I promise. |
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| 08:48.11 | vasily_pupkin | Hi. anybody play recent wesnoth on nxx0? |
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| 09:10.25 | lcuk | has lost an hour, anyone know where it is |
| 09:10.51 | mavhc | it's in october |
| 09:11.22 | qwerty12 | lcuk, yeah, check Reykjavik ;) |
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| 09:14.26 | lcuk | mavhc, yeah but that doesnt help today |
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| 09:18.47 | Stskeeps | wazd: prod |
| 09:19.23 | lcuk | mornin Stskeeps \o |
| 09:19.28 | Stskeeps | morning lcuk |
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| 09:22.53 | lcuk | oops i just nearly broke my 810 |
| 09:23.45 | Stskeeps | eek |
| 09:25.18 | mavhc | how? |
| 09:25.40 | RST38h | back |
| 09:26.14 | wazd | RST38h: moo! |
| 09:26.25 | RST38h | mooya! |
| 09:26.47 | wazd | RST38h: http://s49.radikal.ru/i123/0903/85/cb21ac18fe9e.png |
| 09:27.01 | wazd | RST38h: and I'm finishing Ti 82 faceplate right now |
| 09:27.04 | Stskeeps | RST38h: good flight? |
| 09:27.21 | Stskeeps | .. if you didn't just go to airport for picking up someone ::P |
| 09:28.04 | GeneralAntilles | Hum, Synergy sends keyboard events, but not mouse. . . . |
| 09:29.47 | RST38h | wazdá: !!! Let me unpack the laptop =) |
| 09:30.05 | wazd | RST38h: have you left Moscow at last?) |
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| 09:30.25 | RST38h | stsá: an ok flight, just 9:10, non stop |
| 09:31.08 | RST38h | wazd: came back already, we went to us for two weeks to visit parents and do some paperwork |
| 09:31.49 | RST38h | sts: surprisingly short lines in iad - either they fixed something or people stopped flying |
| 09:32.02 | t_s_o | latter |
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| 09:35.04 | RST38h | wazd: the device selector thing looks nice, although I would go for more bright, prime colors, and the button arrangement is a bit different =) |
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| 09:42.17 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 09:42.38 | wazd | RST38h: ok, will do |
| 09:42.51 | Stskeeps | morning Jaffa |
| 09:43.00 | wazd | morning jaffa |
| 09:43.03 | wazd | :) |
| 09:43.19 | Stskeeps | anyone know any magic way from a panel plugin in hildon-desktop to activate the menu of hildon-desktop itself? :P |
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| 09:58.09 | RST38h | wazd: Also, are you absolutely sure this vertical effect at the left and right borders looks exactly like you want it to look? =) |
| 10:00.07 | RST38h | wazd: (current button layout left to right: ti85,ti86,ti82,ti83,ti83+,ti83+se,ti84+,ti84+se, and in the bottom row there is reset at the left and quit at the right) |
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| 10:34.38 | konttori_ | is installing canola to check it out. |
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| 10:39.18 | mavhc | I like canola for podcasts, but it takes up too much ram, and there's a bug involving returning to a recording, and from then on whenever you unpause it skips back to the returning point |
| 10:39.37 | mavhc | also needs more kb control for skip forward/back 5/30 seconds |
| 10:40.12 | mavhc | fails to dl some audio podcasts that videocenter works with also |
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| 10:57.36 | sisto | have you guys seen this? http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009/Project_ideas |
| 10:58.17 | Stskeeps | .. long ago? |
| 10:58.24 | sisto | some pretty neat projects |
| 10:58.33 | sisto | Stskeeps: good for you |
| 10:59.06 | qwerty12 | Considering that the GSOC link is in the topic... |
| 10:59.32 | sisto | I never read topics |
| 10:59.40 | qwerty12 | *shrug* |
| 10:59.42 | sisto | sorry |
| 10:59.53 | sisto | I'll try to remember though |
| 11:00.20 | sisto | sorry I guess it's a bad subject to talk about |
| 11:00.33 | sisto | for some reason |
| 11:00.46 | sisto | :( |
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| 11:02.20 | sisto | or some people like to be assholes |
| 11:02.57 | GeneralAntilles | sisto, chill out, there's no need to get defensive. |
| 11:03.30 | konttori_ | mavhc: well, with the new open source version of canola, it's easy to fix those issues |
| 11:03.32 | GeneralAntilles | Old news is just that, you can't blame people for being apathetic to things they've know about for a long time. |
| 11:03.40 | konttori_ | except the ram consumption of course. |
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| 11:04.53 | GeneralAntilles | konttori_, which should be less relevant with the 256MB in the next tablets, right? ;) |
| 11:05.16 | mavhc | does more ram use a lot more power? |
| 11:05.27 | konttori_ | GeneralAntilles: ;) |
| 11:06.03 | GeneralAntilles | Either there's going to be a product announcement or I'm going to get a Nokian tarred and feathered. :D |
| 11:06.26 | konttori_ | product announcement where? |
| 11:06.51 | Jaffa | imagines there'll be a product announcement at *some* point... |
| 11:07.09 | Stskeeps | yeah, a lot of wasted sw work otherwise :P |
| 11:07.16 | lcuk | there will be a product announcement announcement first! |
| 11:07.24 | GeneralAntilles | I hope the product announcement comes first, as I'd hate to see the fine, open source loving Nokians in this channel replaced by more S60 types. ;) |
| 11:07.47 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: BTW, 0.11 going to include the new UI - with finished(ish) theme? |
| 11:07.56 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: finished(ish) aye |
| 11:09.00 | konttori_ | also hopes an announcement would come soon, but has no idea when that would happen. Did we have some estimation of that? |
| 11:09.04 | Stskeeps | quirks atm: menu button in h-d doesn't work in h-d itself, but hw key does, zenvoid is working on the backgrounds of the buttons when selected |
| 11:09.24 | GeneralAntilles | konttori_, we're in the dark |
| 11:09.46 | GeneralAntilles | I guess we can only hope it'll come sometime around the beta release |
| 11:10.11 | GeneralAntilles | Haven't even gotten any spyshots. :( |
| 11:10.31 | sisto | if not we can put maemo on the openpandora |
| 11:10.34 | Jaffa | could imagine it being wanted to announce product and "and you can start developing for this device *now* by going to maemo.nokia.com and downloading the beta SDK, including this final UI" |
| 11:11.14 | GeneralAntilles | Lacking an announcement the community is starting to go a bit stir crazy |
| 11:11.23 | Stskeeps | a bit? |
| 11:11.24 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:11.39 | Jaffa | And the community was pretty crazy to start with |
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| 11:12.26 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: testing images of 0.11 coming out tomorrow |
| 11:16.49 | b0unc3 | good morning |
| 11:17.19 | konttori_ | Jaffa: it would be great if beta had all the final stuff |
| 11:17.33 | konttori_ | (or close to final ) |
| 11:17.34 | Jaffa | konttori_: that sounds like it's followed by a "but" |
| 11:17.46 | konttori_ | but, I really don't know whether it will. |
| 11:17.59 | konttori_ | it comes pretty soon, right? |
| 11:18.51 | Stskeeps | april-may i think beta |
| 11:19.17 | Stskeeps | ah, march-may |
| 11:19.23 | timelE61i | gan: we're actually doing that internally |
| 11:19.37 | timelE61i | They keep adding s60 process lovers |
| 11:20.36 | timelE61i | btw, if i get my mac stuck |
| 11:20.46 | timelE61i | What's the equiv of ctrl-alt-del? |
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| 11:21.39 | timelE61i | breaks computer |
| 11:22.18 | konttori_ | eh, must be april-may then, right? Not much happening this month anymore, right? |
| 11:22.22 | timelE61i | hopes the mac port of zfs isn't horribly broken |
| 11:22.43 | timelE61i | aww, it could be Jun/Jul ;) |
| 11:22.58 | timelE61i | Plenty of months left in the year |
| 11:23.29 | timelE61i | Oops |
| 11:23.30 | timelE61i | Um |
| 11:23.38 | Stskeeps | did your MBP die? |
| 11:23.38 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:23.51 | timelE61i | Can someone suggest a way to download Terminal.app' |
| 11:24.26 | timelE61i | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:24.26 | GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, cmd-opt-esc |
| 11:24.36 | GeneralAntilles | How long have you been using Macs? |
| 11:24.57 | timelE61i | More than half my life on and off |
| 11:25.07 | timelE61i | But i don't break the kernel that often |
| 11:25.20 | timelE61i | Ok... So... |
| 11:25.23 | GeneralAntilles | cmd-opt-esc is mostly for killing stuck apps, anyway |
| 11:25.37 | GeneralAntilles | The powerbutton is to be used in the even of a kernel panic. ;) |
| 11:25.38 | timelE61i | yeah, i doubt it'd have helped |
| 11:25.41 | mavhc | cmd-opt-google |
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| 11:26.03 | VDVsx | morning,all |
| 11:26.20 | GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, ssh? |
| 11:26.25 | timelE61i | 1. Find mac ip |
| 11:26.29 | timelE61i | 2. Ssh |
| 11:26.42 | GeneralAntilles | Bonjour? |
| 11:27.36 | timelE61i | from wXP or 10.3.9 ? :) |
| 11:27.37 | Stskeeps | ponders idly about hildon-desktop 2.2 |
| 11:27.57 | Stskeeps | let's see if this one is more sane than the one we tinker with.. |
| 11:28.01 | GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, should work from XP with Bonjour installed. |
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| 11:28.14 | GeneralAntilles | Or Linux with Avahi |
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| 11:30.51 | timelE61i | ok .2 is ppc, .7 is x86 |
| 11:31.12 | timelE61i | Awesome |
| 11:31.20 | timelE61i | Zpool status: no pools available |
| 11:31.39 | Stskeeps | zpool import? |
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| 11:32.17 | timelE61i | none avail |
| 11:32.27 | timelE61i | And osx claims my pool volume is fat |
| 11:32.38 | timelE61i | Which means i lost a week's work |
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| 11:34.11 | Stskeeps | interesting, hildon-home doesn't seem to require clutter |
| 11:34.30 | Stskeeps | might there be some sanity.. hm |
| 11:34.44 | lcuk | no Stskeeps clutter is used as a compositor |
| 11:34.57 | GeneralAntilles | Home applets don't require Clutter, they _are_ clutter. :P |
| 11:35.35 | timelE61i | Sts: i believe home applets are now hosted by a dedicated process |
| 11:35.43 | timelE61i | So they only kill eachother |
| 11:35.44 | Stskeeps | timelE61i: yes, and thank god for that |
| 11:35.44 | qwerty12_N800 | if $user = Stskeeps; then "clutter not needed" #just to keep him happy |
| 11:35.53 | lcuk | lol |
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| 11:37.16 | Stskeeps | i'd much prefer to get API compatible with fremantle than spend another hour in hildon-desktop. :P |
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| 12:02.21 | gnuton | Hi |
| 12:07.16 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, gnuton. |
| 12:07.32 | gnuton | hello GeneralAntilles:D |
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| 12:28.37 | lopz | hi |
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| 12:39.59 | yerga | please nokia, the rx-51 must be a phone |
| 12:40.20 | yerga | i lost my n95 yesterday and need a new one |
| 12:40.25 | yerga | :) |
| 12:45.25 | GeneralAntilles | Ew |
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| 12:47.47 | mavhc | open source phone? won't the carriers complain that it'll distrupt their networks? |
| 12:49.56 | keesj | with the current traffic options offered they must care less |
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| 12:50.30 | keesj | the bug problem if it's a phone is that is will be less accesible/usable to students |
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| 12:56.30 | GeneralAntilles | I don't think we can have it be a phone without a huge negative impact to Maemo. |
| 12:57.04 | GeneralAntilles | It moves from being a generic Linux OS (with embedded undertones) to a real phone OS. Which is a Bad Thing in my opinion. |
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| 13:03.14 | Jaffa | wonders if the stuff Ari was "theoretically" discussing at the dinner at OSiM might explain RX-51/71 *and* the phone-y stuff in the s/w stack |
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| 13:15.34 | GeneralAntilles | Apple phone support was no help. |
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| 13:16.52 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, Twitter for Canola. |
| 13:16.54 | GeneralAntilles | Canola OS |
| 13:18.08 | ShadowJK | I'd love it if the next tablet has HSDPA |
| 13:18.21 | ShadowJK | Then I'd just use transfer my current cellphone number to VoIP and use that |
| 13:18.41 | Jaffa | ShadowJK: The next tablet has HSPA |
| 13:18.43 | ShadowJK | or get a new one if they wont allow me to transfer |
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| 13:38.41 | lfelipe | GeneralAntilles: not until emacs, not until emacs :P |
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| 13:43.16 | ShadowJK | is hoping for 512megs |
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| 13:43.43 | ShadowJK | Oh, anyone noticed Nokia is selling a 16gigabyte /micro/sdhc now? |
| 13:44.00 | GeneralAntilles | and? |
| 13:44.13 | GeneralAntilles | Who buys flash media from OEMs? |
| 13:45.36 | ShadowJK | GeneralAntilles, well I just found it strange to not find 16gig microsdhc from the regular places, but that nokia sells them, and nokia seems to be a bit "lazy" with their own store as to not piss off resellers too much |
| 13:45.57 | GeneralAntilles | Oh? Amazon doesn't have 16GB? |
| 13:45.58 | ShadowJK | just odd to find something as new and big there |
| 13:46.10 | ShadowJK | Amazon doesn't ship to finland :) |
| 13:46.13 | ShadowJK | atleast not !books |
| 13:47.19 | GeneralAntilles | Finland doesn't count |
| 13:49.27 | qwerty12_N800 | Florida V Finland |
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| 13:54.45 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, :P |
| 13:55.24 | GeneralAntilles | Florida & Finland vs qwerty12's stupid face. |
| 13:56.03 | qwerty12_N800 | Aww, gee, thanks |
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| 14:13.52 | wazd | I'm back |
| 14:13.59 | GeneralAntilles | hides |
| 14:14.06 | wazd | behold!11 |
| 14:14.08 | wazd | xD |
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| 14:15.59 | zlirp | Hey all. Can anyone help me get my N810 doing GPS with any degree of speed & accuracy? |
| 14:16.38 | zlirp | I just flashed with RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, and when I try to install A-GPS, it sits there saying "Downloading 190KB" |
| 14:16.45 | zlirp | Then eventually fails. |
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| 14:18.14 | RST38h | heya wazd |
| 14:24.23 | getxsick | hi |
| 14:24.27 | zlirp | hi |
| 14:25.02 | GeneralAntilles | zlirp, something wrong with your internet connection? |
| 14:25.08 | zlirp | no |
| 14:25.27 | getxsick | i have 2 questions related to gsoc |
| 14:25.42 | zlirp | GeneralAntilles: I am using the same connection to chat here :) |
| 14:25.58 | RST38h | Beep! Another "tablet sucks" thread on itt! |
| 14:25.58 | zlirp | The IT can access the internet through the web browser. Albeit slowly. |
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| 14:26.40 | GeneralAntilles | zlirp, have you tried apt-get install a-gps? |
| 14:26.42 | timeless | grumbles |
| 14:26.50 | zlirp | Do I need root privs for that? |
| 14:26.58 | timeless | how hard is it to spell a cipher suite's name correctly when referencing it? |
| 14:27.03 | getxsick | firstly, tests on maemo platform are necessary? |
| 14:27.38 | wazd | RST38h: http://s43.radikal.ru/i100/0903/b8/67c06310c4c5.png |
| 14:27.39 | zlirp | GeneralAntilles: I get "permission denied", likely because I'm not root |
| 14:27.43 | GeneralAntilles | zlirp, yes, try installing rootsh from application manager |
| 14:27.55 | timeless | getxsick: this channel doesn't really seem to answer such questions |
| 14:27.56 | zlirp | k, one mo |
| 14:28.16 | lcuk | getxsick, a project for the maemo platform should be usable on the maemo platofrm, no point in creating a masterpiece if its not optimal for the device |
| 14:28.16 | timeless | personally, i'd hope applicants for GSoC could figure out the answer for themselves |
| 14:28.19 | RST38h | wazd: Looks stunningly perfect =) |
| 14:28.44 | RST38h | wazd: Saving, will reboot to Linux and try it as soon as the ftp transfer is finished =) |
| 14:28.45 | getxsick | lcuk: what with student doesn't have hardware with maemo device? |
| 14:29.10 | getxsick | timeless: personnaly, open moko year ago gave their devices for free for the students |
| 14:29.25 | timeless | cool |
| 14:29.32 | timeless | how's your open moko device doing? |
| 14:29.51 | wazd | I forgot 1 detail |
| 14:29.59 | zlirp | GeneralAntilles: "couldn't find package a-gps" |
| 14:30.08 | RST38h | wazd: ? |
| 14:30.09 | zlirp | GeneralAntilles: Odd because it does show up in the application manager? |
| 14:30.35 | GeneralAntilles | zlirp, I got the package name wrong |
| 14:30.36 | ShadowJK | zlirp, agps-ui |
| 14:30.38 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 14:30.40 | GeneralAntilles | Right, that. |
| 14:30.48 | getxsick | mine? i wasn't work on this project, different one. but my flatmate did, he got freerunner |
| 14:31.03 | zlirp | k sec :) |
| 14:31.22 | timeless | does he still use it? |
| 14:31.43 | getxsick | don't think so, at least i only saw it on his desk |
| 14:31.43 | zlirp | GeneralAntilles: It sits at 0% [waiting for headers] |
| 14:31.54 | timeless | right... sounds like a wonderful project |
| 14:32.13 | timeless | i'll be sure to recommend we waste however much money on a similar project the next time i speak w/ someone about this |
| 14:32.25 | getxsick | you mean about whole openmoko idea? :) |
| 14:32.43 | GeneralAntilles | zlirp, maybe an issue with your local Akamai mirror. |
| 14:33.00 | GeneralAntilles | zlirp, have you had issues with the repositories in the past? |
| 14:33.10 | zlirp | possibly? |
| 14:33.14 | zlirp | hard to say |
| 14:33.28 | timeless | there's a requirement somewhere about being enthusiastic |
| 14:33.42 | timeless | if the result is giving away hardware to people who don't use it less than a year later |
| 14:33.46 | timeless | i'd say that something failed |
| 14:33.53 | GeneralAntilles | zlirp, well, you can try waiting a day to see if it improves, or maybe grabbing the debs directly will work. |
| 14:34.01 | timeless | i'd much rather give away hardware to people who have proven they will remain involved |
| 14:34.09 | timeless | fwiw, i've given away a number of nokia tablets |
| 14:34.14 | RST38h | wazd: btw, ti83+ is here: http://www.worsleyschool.net/science/files/usinga/mainpic01.jpg (and both ti83+ and ti83+se have blue APPS button instead of MATRIX) |
| 14:34.22 | timeless | (at least 3, a 770, an n800 and an n810) |
| 14:34.22 | zlirp | GeneralAntilles: Somehow I just don't think this package is in high enough demand for a day to solve the problem :( |
| 14:34.25 | getxsick | timeless: maybe other do, not he. at least there were a lot of bad words about his mentor made by Leslie. whatever |
| 14:34.26 | GeneralAntilles | http://repository.maemo.org/catalogue/certified/pool/diablo/user/a/agps-ui/ |
| 14:34.39 | GeneralAntilles | zlirp, it's not the package |
| 14:34.48 | GeneralAntilles | It could be local connectivity issues |
| 14:34.53 | timeless | yeah... wonderful |
| 14:34.57 | zlirp | Yeah, it's the cache. |
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| 14:35.04 | wazd | RST38h: http://s58.radikal.ru/i161/0903/b3/4a64fd0a6a2d.png |
| 14:35.13 | zlirp | But will this mean that all my other updates will have to be done manually? |
| 14:35.16 | getxsick | timeless: so, should i have own maemo platform? |
| 14:35.24 | RST38h | wazd: what changed? =) |
| 14:35.38 | GeneralAntilles | zlirp, no, it'll go back to normal whenever the repo figures itself out. |
| 14:35.39 | wazd | RST38h: shadow on the screen bevel |
| 14:35.54 | timeless | personally, if i were organizing it (and i'm not) |
| 14:36.00 | RST38h | oh |
| 14:36.05 | timeless | .... |
| 14:36.05 | wazd | RST38h: screen is a bit deeper than the case |
| 14:36.22 | GeneralAntilles | zlirp, if you're feeling adventurous, you can try changing the sources entry for the certified repo to stage.maemo.org instead of repository.maemo.org |
| 14:36.31 | GeneralAntilles | Which'll bypass the misbehaving cache |
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| 14:36.52 | zlirp | GeneralAntilles: I definitely am. There's so much I want this tablet to be able to do, but it just seems incapable of the most basic of things. |
| 14:36.56 | zlirp | I'll try that right away. |
| 14:37.02 | RST38h | is itching to release this version |
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| 14:37.20 | GeneralAntilles | zlirp, well, repository connectivity issues are a good way to hamstring yourself starting off. |
| 14:37.25 | zlirp | hahah |
| 14:37.27 | zlirp | Yeah :) |
| 14:37.43 | zlirp | I hope that future OSses *not* produced by Nokia don't tank as badly as Maemo has. |
| 14:37.54 | GeneralAntilles | Maemo really works pretty well |
| 14:38.01 | zlirp | It's slow. |
| 14:38.06 | GeneralAntilles | Better than most of the competitors out there. |
| 14:38.17 | RST38h | Did maemo tank? |
| 14:38.19 | GeneralAntilles | Eh, you're asking a lot of a relatively small CPU. |
| 14:38.31 | zlirp | I've been *sold* a lot of a relatively small CPU. |
| 14:38.44 | zlirp | Fit for purpose comes to mind. I'm just trying to get somewhere with what I'm left with. |
| 14:38.49 | GeneralAntilles | As long as you stick to light multitasking and are realistic in your expectations it works just fine. |
| 14:39.06 | GeneralAntilles | It's my primary mobile device and laptop replacement. |
| 14:39.11 | timeless | gan: but i want the world in my pocket and three full sized ponies |
| 14:39.19 | zlirp | I think you misunderstand. |
| 14:39.22 | timeless | none of these mini ponies |
| 14:39.24 | zlirp | I'm not asking it to be a supercomputer. |
| 14:39.40 | GeneralAntilles | timeless, I'm hoping to get at least some of the world with OMAP3. ;) |
| 14:40.02 | timeless | i've seen the world, and i still want three full sized ponies |
| 14:40.02 | zlirp | It's not unreasonable however to anticipate that the device will be able to fulfil everything written on the box with some degree of speed and responsiveness. |
| 14:40.24 | timeless | zlirp: um, what does it say on the box? |
| 14:40.30 | GeneralAntilles | zlirp, I've found that it does that and more. |
| 14:40.35 | zlirp | How? |
| 14:40.56 | zlirp | I just can't use this thing with any degree of satisfaction. It's slow and unresponsive. |
| 14:41.02 | zlirp | Have you been able to use the GPS effectively? |
| 14:41.05 | zlirp | As in --- moving around. |
| 14:41.12 | RST38h | has been |
| 14:41.25 | RST38h | is there a problem with using gps? |
| 14:41.50 | RST38h | there was problem with gps locking on a position but that has been mostly solved with agps |
| 14:42.11 | zlirp | See, and I've had AGPS going on prior flashes of the device (this is just my quarterly kick at the can to get this thing working) |
| 14:42.24 | timeless | grumbles |
| 14:42.25 | timeless | http://media.arstechnica.com/journals/linux.media/n810_box_closed.jpg |
| 14:42.28 | timeless | is too hard to read |
| 14:42.38 | timeless | how does anyone expect to read the box that way? |
| 14:42.45 | zlirp | It helps with getting the local sats going for sure. But holding the lock and the actual data returned is still pretty shoddy. |
| 14:43.04 | RST38h | works for me |
| 14:43.06 | GeneralAntilles | timeless, what, have they gotten rid of all the N810 boxes there in favor of the new hotness already? :P |
| 14:43.22 | timeless | gan: my box is 7' behind me |
| 14:43.30 | timeless | i don't want to reach for it |
| 14:43.34 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 14:43.37 | GeneralAntilles | Lazy SOB |
| 14:43.58 | timeless | ok, i will hereby recite the box |
| 14:44.06 | timeless | NOKIA Nseries |
| 14:44.08 | zlirp | GeneralAntilles: Which catalogue should I update? |
| 14:44.11 | timeless | Nokia N810 Internet Tablet |
| 14:44.16 | timeless | <rotate box> |
| 14:44.28 | timeless | NOKIA Nseries |
| 14:44.31 | timeless | <rotate box> |
| 14:44.45 | timeless | Nokia N810 Internet Tablet |
| 14:44.49 | GeneralAntilles | zlirp, the one that has certified in the URL |
| 14:44.50 | timeless | nseries.com/n810 |
| 14:44.59 | timeless | <rotate box> |
| 14:45.14 | timeless | Nokia N810 Internet Tablet |
| 14:45.16 | zlirp | GeneralAntilles: So from catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com to stage.maemo.org ? |
| 14:45.27 | timeless | <rotate box> |
| 14:45.30 | GeneralAntilles | Hum |
| 14:45.36 | GeneralAntilles | I though AGPS was on maemo.org |
| 14:45.47 | zlirp | I have 4 repos (I enabled extras) |
| 14:45.52 | timeless | Keep in touch. |
| 14:46.06 | zlirp | Nokia catalogue, Nokia catalogue (3rd party software), nokia system software updates, maemo Extras |
| 14:46.30 | GeneralAntilles | zlirp, sort of hamstrung myself over here, my main desktop just died. |
| 14:46.32 | GeneralAntilles | One sec |
| 14:46.32 | timeless | Entertain. Acess your social sites, update blogs |
| 14:46.36 | zlirp | NP |
| 14:46.47 | timeless | and enjoy the best of the web. With the Nokia N810 Internet |
| 14:46.56 | timeless | Tablet you are free to go and discover what's new -- it's the |
| 14:47.01 | timeless | entire internet in your pocket. |
| 14:47.13 | timeless | Easy internet connection over Wi-Fi or compatible |
| 14:47.14 | VDVsx | getxsick, your friend work in which project for OpenMoko ? |
| 14:47.15 | timeless | mobile phone |
| 14:47.22 | timeless | Experience Web 2.0 with a browser based |
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| 14:47.31 | timeless | on Adobe(r) Flash(r) 9 plug-in |
| 14:47.37 | getxsick | VDVsx: sms middleware |
| 14:47.40 | timeless | Internet calling with built-in web camera |
| 14:47.40 | getxsick | afair |
| 14:47.47 | timeless | Instant messaging and email with |
| 14:47.51 | GeneralAntilles | zlirp, you'll have to edit the sources list directlyh |
| 14:47.51 | timeless | a QWERTY keyboard |
| 14:47.52 | ShadowJK | I haven't really experienced any of the GPS problems other people seem to have.. I am constantly running out of RAM badly though. I wonder if there's anyone that makes DRAM in miniSD formfactor ;-) |
| 14:48.02 | timeless | BE entertained with music and videos |
| 14:48.06 | timeless | Helps you find your way |
| 14:48.09 | GeneralAntilles | Since the Application Manager wont let you mess with the bundled official repos |
| 14:48.10 | timeless | with built-in GPS |
| 14:48.23 | timeless | Be closer with your Nokia N810 Internet Tablet |
| 14:48.28 | timeless | Model Number: N810 |
| 14:48.49 | timeless | {translated into a number of languages, i'm relatively confident the translations do not promise more than the English} |
| 14:49.00 | ShadowJK | Actually, I have a complaint about the box. It says Nokia N-Series but the Nseries website tells me to get a Nseries device ;) </joke> |
| 14:49.13 | zlirp | Alright, so just nano /etc/apt...sources whatever? |
| 14:49.34 | timeless | GoogleTalk (logo) penguin (logo) skype (logo) Bluetooth (logo) wayfinder (logo) flash (logo) |
| 14:49.41 | timeless | Warning: Emergency calls are not supported. |
| 14:49.59 | GeneralAntilles | zlirp, hum, looks like it's on tableteer |
| 14:50.06 | timeless | (c) 2007 Nokia. All rights reserved. Nokia, Nokia Connecting People, Nseries, and N810 are trademarks or registered trademarks of |
| 14:50.07 | GeneralAntilles | which there's no non-Akamai mirror for. |
| 14:50.22 | GeneralAntilles | zlirp, just download the .deb directly |
| 14:50.28 | timeless | Nokia Corporation. Other product and company names mentioned herein may be trademarks or trade names of their respective owners. |
| 14:50.32 | GeneralAntilles | You'll need to grab the suplicant daemon, too. |
| 14:50.33 | zlirp | hm |
| 14:50.37 | zlirp | web browser crashed |
| 14:50.42 | timeless | NOKIA Connecting People |
| 14:50.45 | zlirp | God this thing is such a lemon. |
| 14:50.47 | timeless | <end of box> |
| 14:50.51 | GeneralAntilles | http://repository.maemo.org/catalogue/certified/pool/diablo/user/a/agps-ui/ |
| 14:50.57 | timeless | I don't see any promises about time to lock |
| 14:51.00 | zlirp | K, I'll grab 'em both... |
| 14:51.14 | GeneralAntilles | zlirp, what were you doing when it crashed? |
| 14:51.16 | Stskeeps | http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=275487&postcount=4 <- wow :P |
| 14:51.19 | zlirp | typing in THAT URL |
| 14:51.36 | GeneralAntilles | zlirp, not loading a page? |
| 14:51.53 | zlirp | Well, typing it in and hitting enter, so yeah...upon attempting to load it. |
| 14:51.58 | zlirp | Gonna try again though, to be fair. |
| 14:52.10 | GeneralAntilles | Weird |
| 14:52.29 | GeneralAntilles | I wonder, have you ever reformatted the internal 2GB? |
| 14:52.37 | zlirp | multiple times |
| 14:52.38 | GeneralAntilles | repartitioned, I should say. |
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| 14:52.51 | zlirp | In the past, I've followed lots of instructions. |
| 14:53.03 | ShadowJK | still has the broken partition table |
| 14:53.22 | GeneralAntilles | Well, a corrupt filesystem on the internal 2GB can lead to lots of slowdowns and instability |
| 14:53.24 | timeless | shadowjkl: i think i might have finally fixed mine |
| 14:53.27 | timeless | or not, i can't remember |
| 14:53.32 | timeless | :) |
| 14:53.32 | GeneralAntilles | Many of those bugs have been fixed, but not all of them. |
| 14:53.56 | timeless | anyway, having read the box, i can vouch for the box not having promised a time-to-fix |
| 14:54.02 | zlirp | Yeah, and I'm sure I've followed instructions to redo a bad partition table. Something to do with size, right? |
| 14:54.18 | GeneralAntilles | zlirp, I'm assuming you've been through something like http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18043 ? |
| 14:54.23 | timeless | and in fact, very few boxes are stupid enough to actually promise time-to-fix |
| 14:54.34 | zlirp | Like I said, about every 3 or 4 months, I dust this lemon off and try to get some degree of functionality out of it. But it's slow and unresponsive even running ONE app. |
| 14:54.46 | timeless | people who make boxes are in the business of selling products, not accepting returns for failing to do what they promise on their boxes :) |
| 14:54.51 | zlirp | I'm not too sure I can adjust my expectations any lower - nor do I think I should be expected to. |
| 14:54.54 | ShadowJK | Mine seems to get a fix in the time it takes me to walk out the house, get into the car, take tablet and phone out of pocket, put them in their places and attach charger to atleast one of them |
| 14:55.00 | mavhc | I never managed to get anything to fix a corrupted mmc1 vfat partition |
| 14:55.02 | Stskeeps | zlirp: you can always hack the OS though. 80% open source |
| 14:55.03 | zlirp | My old Palm performed better than this. |
| 14:55.06 | GeneralAntilles | zlirp, there is always the chance that you do, infact, have a lemon. |
| 14:55.16 | Stskeeps | true |
| 14:55.17 | zlirp | Well, how do I warranty it? |
| 14:55.19 | Stskeeps | i have seen a dead internal SD |
| 14:55.29 | timeless | zlirp: call nokia care? |
| 14:55.35 | timeless | it's document in the manual |
| 14:55.36 | zlirp | Can I contact Nokia and do some kinda setup? |
| 14:55.39 | timeless | both printed and electronic |
| 14:55.41 | GeneralAntilles | zlirp, not being able to interact with your particular tablet, I can't say whether it doesn't fit the norm or whether your expectations are skewed. |
| 14:55.46 | zlirp | (like I do with most every other electronic device that breaks on me) |
| 14:55.57 | zlirp | My expectations I think are reasonable. |
| 14:56.02 | timeless | isn't sure |
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| 14:56.15 | zlirp | I've been using lots of devices and the best I can say is that it's very slow to respond to most forms of input. |
| 14:56.31 | ShadowJK | I wonder what kind of sensitivity threshold the nokia care people have for the touchscreen, like, am I supposed to be able to use it with finger without the LCD going funnycolors? :-) |
| 14:56.36 | zlirp | We could split hairs on that all day long, but the fact is that smaller more powerful devices are produced that have better usability than this. |
| 14:56.52 | zlirp | I can conclusively say after trying to do a few runs at geocaching that it's nowhere near accurate or usable though.... |
| 14:57.01 | Stskeeps | oh, the GPS we can all agree on is miserable :P |
| 14:57.07 | zlirp | I'll have a Garmin Etrex vista in one hand, and my N810, and my N810 is kilos off. |
| 14:57.08 | GeneralAntilles | zlirp, well, considering that the basic platform is from January 2007, yes, I'd say so. |
| 14:57.14 | mavhc | the gps seems about 1 second behind reality when I'm in a car |
| 14:57.30 | zlirp | My GPS is barely in the same area of the city. |
| 14:57.32 | zlirp | lol |
| 14:57.42 | mavhc | it's broken/corrupted then |
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| 14:58.08 | timeless | zlirp: the nokia n810 is not sold as a gps device w/ accuracy of 1 inch |
| 14:58.11 | zlirp | GeneralAntilles: I have followed those instructions in the past. |
| 14:58.16 | zlirp | To no improvement. |
| 14:58.23 | timeless | again, having read the box, just now for everyone else's benefit, it just doesn't say that |
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| 14:58.48 | timeless | if you want the best gps signal detection, you probably will find that the latest and greatest dedicated gps will be much better |
| 14:58.50 | zlirp | I'm beyond forgiving of this, I try to do everything possible to get the N810 working nicely because I WANT it to work - rather badly. |
| 14:59.01 | zlirp | If my N810 exploded today, I'd probably wait for another linux-based device. |
| 14:59.25 | ShadowJK | I have a sirf III gps dongle.. the N810 GPS doesn't get first-fix as fast, and needs stronger signal to get fix, but it stays locked on in weaker signal than the dongle.. accuracy seems similar |
| 14:59.35 | zlirp | I wish someone at Nokia would offer me a good-will trade up price or something. I'll mail the N810 and pay a kind difference. |
| 14:59.48 | GeneralAntilles | Trade up to what? |
| 14:59.55 | zlirp | Whatever is out next whenever it's out next. |
| 15:00.00 | zlirp | I've waited almost a year already, I can wait longer. |
| 15:00.02 | zlirp | lol |
| 15:00.10 | zlirp | That's what I mean. My expectations are not unreasonable thus far. |
| 15:00.25 | zlirp | I've really let it all slide. |
| 15:00.26 | mavhc | don't wait longer than the warrenty, whic is what? |
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| 15:00.34 | ShadowJK | 2 years in europe I believe |
| 15:00.46 | zlirp | at least a year I hope. Otherwise I'll know this device was a red herring :( |
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| 15:01.37 | mavhc | format the internal card, reinstall the OS, does it make a difference? |
| 15:01.42 | zlirp | No. |
| 15:01.47 | RST38h | zlirp: My universal advice is to get an iPhone. |
| 15:01.50 | zlirp | I've done that multiple times (even tried Mer, but it's pretty beta) |
| 15:01.54 | zlirp | I don't want an apple product. |
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| 15:02.04 | RST38h | Ok, buy an HTC. |
| 15:02.05 | mavhc | so in the non gps department, what's wrong? |
| 15:02.05 | zlirp | Why are you telling me what to do outside of the scope of the N810? |
| 15:02.09 | zlirp | I don't want windows mobile. |
| 15:02.23 | RST38h | zlirp: Because it is clear to me that you are not satisfied with n810 |
| 15:02.24 | mavhc | does it take 3 mins to load the browser? |
| 15:02.29 | ShadowJK | Once when I rebooted, a kernel process was using 99% CPU. It made it pretty unusable |
| 15:02.34 | Stskeeps | zlirp: tried the webkit engine? |
| 15:02.41 | zlirp | RST38h: Okay, well respect the fact that I'm talking about the N810 and not your preference then. |
| 15:03.06 | zlirp | GeneralAntilles: Should I install the supl-daemon from web or repos? |
| 15:03.24 | GeneralAntilles | zlirp, whichever you can make work. |
| 15:03.33 | zlirp | K, sec. |
| 15:04.45 | zlirp | GeneralAntilles: "Unable to install supl-daemon. Incompatible application package." |
| 15:04.53 | Stskeeps | is it diablo? |
| 15:04.55 | GeneralAntilles | zlirp, dpkg -i |
| 15:04.55 | qwerty12 | dpkg -i it |
| 15:05.11 | GeneralAntilles | zlirp, it's not a user-facing package, so Application Manager wont install it. |
| 15:05.39 | zlirp | kk |
| 15:06.24 | zlirp | Where is the "documents" folder on the actual filesystem itself? |
| 15:06.37 | GeneralAntilles | /home/user/MyDocs/.documents |
| 15:06.44 | zlirp | k |
| 15:07.56 | zlirp | Man, if I could even just geocache with this thing, I'd be so happy! |
| 15:07.56 | zlirp | lol |
| 15:08.01 | RST38h | zlirp: I am simply making a practical suggestion |
| 15:08.23 | GeneralAntilles | zlirp, well, a Bluetooth GPS is an option |
| 15:08.34 | GeneralAntilles | That'll get more accurate fixes faster than your Garmin. |
| 15:08.38 | zlirp | RST38h: Okay, well your practical suggestion has a familiar aire of "haha, I just told you to go away" to it. I have an N810, it's staying with me, and I'm TRYING to make it work. Maybe you could give me some credit? |
| 15:09.02 | zlirp | Alright. We got A-GPS installed. |
| 15:09.06 | zlirp | Should I fire it up off the menu first? |
| 15:09.11 | zlirp | Select my general location? |
| 15:09.16 | zlirp | Oh, it pops up for me :D |
| 15:09.17 | GeneralAntilles | Yup |
| 15:09.27 | mavhc | the problem is you come in saying it sucks, thus everyone hates you, go out, come in again and say you can't get it to work |
| 15:09.54 | zlirp | mavhc: I'm not exactly in an unfounded minority. Maybe a vocal minority ;) |
| 15:10.07 | GeneralAntilles | Generally with open source, it helps to stroke peoples egos rather than tearing them down before you ask for help. :D |
| 15:10.14 | Stskeeps | heh.. the times i have moaned about maemo when i was doing deblet |
| 15:10.15 | zlirp | mavhc: There are more than enough accounts of the N810's performance from multiple sources. At least I'm still trying because I know at least one application could be useful and still fit. |
| 15:10.25 | Stskeeps | until i realized there's good things and good reasons for things being as they are |
| 15:10.50 | zlirp | I look forward to other projects taking the N810 on as a platform. I realize performance will never exceed expectations. But maybe one day something will take root. |
| 15:10.56 | zlirp | Mer looks great TBH. |
| 15:11.02 | timeless | trying to annoy people isn't a good starting position |
| 15:11.06 | timeless | you're asking for help. |
| 15:11.24 | timeless | these people for the most part are just people like you who happen to be slightly happier than you are |
| 15:11.29 | zlirp | Given time, it could have potential. Especially if some focus is done on just some simple (and boring, yes) UI usability an responsiveness efforts. |
| 15:11.30 | timeless | none of them are paid to support you |
| 15:11.35 | zlirp | Anyway, that's not here right now. |
| 15:12.09 | zlirp | GeneralAntilles: Should I allow packet data? |
| 15:12.21 | GeneralAntilles | doesn't have an N810 |
| 15:12.47 | zlirp | Just wondering if it's a setting I want to enable for A-GPS... |
| 15:12.56 | Stskeeps | zlirp: trust me.. some of the other open source frameworks are miserable in comparison :) (usability/responsiveness) |
| 15:13.12 | GeneralAntilles | zlirp, I can't answer usefully. I think it only applies to if you're tethering, but I'm not sure. |
| 15:13.14 | mavhc | do you have a mobile phone connected to the n810 for internet? |
| 15:13.46 | zlirp | No. |
| 15:13.51 | mavhc | then no |
| 15:13.59 | zlirp | kk, thanks |
| 15:14.04 | zlirp | moving forward :D |
| 15:15.12 | zlirp | I fire up maemo mapper. It's stuck in the English channel right now and establishing GPS fix. |
| 15:16.14 | GeneralAntilles | zlirp, note, you're unlikely to have much luck getting a fix indoors |
| 15:16.24 | GeneralAntilles | Take it to a southern facing window if possible. |
| 15:17.32 | timeless | aww, what if he travels to .au? :) |
| 15:17.36 | zlirp | Alright. |
| 15:18.04 | GeneralAntilles | timeless, who would want to go there? |
| 15:18.35 | timelE61i | ! |
| 15:18.49 | timelE61i | they speak English or so i've heard |
| 15:18.58 | zlirp | So, now...Should it be able to hold a lock once I get it and walk around? My house is a bungalow, if that helps at all ;) |
| 15:19.02 | mavhc | come for the snakes, stay for the coffins |
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| 15:19.16 | qwerty12 | To the land where the government are anal about games & the internet. No thanks. |
| 15:19.22 | qwerty12 | *? |
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| 15:19.32 | GeneralAntilles | It apparently hold locks well once it gets them. |
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| 15:19.40 | mavhc | if you're not outside I'd say leave it on a south facing windowsill until it locks, however long that takes |
| 15:19.48 | mavhc | then experiment |
| 15:20.07 | GeneralAntilles | s/hold/holds/ |
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| 15:26.55 | zlirp | Ok! I have a lock. |
| 15:27.04 | zlirp | That was reasonably fast I'd say. |
| 15:27.11 | zlirp | Would it need the internet on always to get that kind of precision and speed? |
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| 15:27.26 | GeneralAntilles | Only if you move more than 300 miles. |
| 15:27.34 | zlirp | That's unlikely ;) LOL |
| 15:27.53 | timelE61i | some people do |
| 15:28.12 | zlirp | Oh, I do lots of driving. I just don't have much of a reson to take this with me. |
| 15:28.17 | zlirp | Maybe that will change. |
| 15:28.52 | mavhc | move 300 miles without turning the gps on that is |
| 15:29.16 | zlirp | Yeah, if you keep it on, I guess it can track the changes? |
| 15:29.55 | ShadowJK | I think it needs internet in the last half hour or hour before you try start and get a lock with the gps |
| 15:30.10 | zlirp | Is there any way to tell maemo-mapper to pre-cache an entire region? |
| 15:30.12 | ShadowJK | otherwise it's a bit slower |
| 15:30.23 | zlirp | So that I can go offline with this? |
| 15:30.23 | Stskeeps | zlirp: yeah, you can ask it to download i think |
| 15:30.28 | Stskeeps | does that occasionally |
| 15:30.36 | GeneralAntilles | zlirp, yes, there's an option in the menu |
| 15:30.43 | GeneralAntilles | It's covered in detail in the help |
| 15:30.57 | timelE61i | if you're bored, you can do it by hand from the ui |
| 15:30.59 | zlirp | k |
| 15:31.09 | timelE61i | Not a bad way to pass time at an airport... |
| 15:31.40 | timelE61i | (LHR, works best if a carrier is offering tetherable phones for net access) |
| 15:32.36 | mavhc | do you not have the wayfinder map software? |
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| 15:32.45 | zlirp | I think I'll use the google sat maps. |
| 15:32.49 | zlirp | That's a lot of data to cache though. |
| 15:33.00 | timelE61i | it's not bad |
| 15:33.18 | zlirp | Ah. It just lost my GPS fix. |
| 15:33.28 | timelE61i | I used a 1g card to cache data for both sat and st for the globe at a bunch of res's |
| 15:33.40 | zlirp | It's kind of jumping around, is there anything I can do to get better stationary precision? |
| 15:33.45 | Stskeeps | not be indoors? :P |
| 15:34.03 | timelE61i | Move in a straight line in a car :) |
| 15:34.04 | zlirp | In the past, I've left this "tracing a route" an left it sitting still, and I get a 10KM square scribble for a route. LOL |
| 15:35.13 | timelE61i | i think my bouncing has generally been closer to 100m |
| 15:35.31 | ShadowJK | about 50-100m for me |
| 15:35.36 | ShadowJK | (indoors in a window) |
| 15:35.39 | suihkulokki | could be a hw error. gps antenna not connected properly or something. |
| 15:35.39 | timelE61i | Otoh, having used google maps on a phone recently, it was off by an entire cell |
| 15:35.55 | zlirp | tower GPS or phone GPS? |
| 15:36.15 | timelE61i | Phone doesn't have gps |
| 15:36.24 | zlirp | Yeah, tower GPS is a joke. LOL |
| 15:36.27 | timelE61i | So whether it was triangulating or trusting... |
| 15:36.38 | zlirp | It does it based off of the current tower it's communicating with. |
| 15:37.10 | zlirp | I've been driving on the road and my blackberry thinks I'm 30KM "back that way". |
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| 15:37.38 | ShadowJK | It would be awesome if you could get the full list of towers in range and the timing advance, for added precision, but I think you can only get the ID of the current cell the phone is communicating with :/ |
| 15:37.51 | mavhc | there's various kinds of agps, the cell phone tower stuff is about 3 of them |
| 15:38.12 | timelE61i | historically phones new of a couple of towers |
| 15:38.27 | ShadowJK | yeah but there's no sane API to get the phone to tell you? |
| 15:38.31 | timelE61i | s/new/knews/ |
| 15:38.38 | zlirp | JavaScript in an opera browser :D |
| 15:38.44 | timelE61i | Whether they expose that to apps is a different story |
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| 15:38.51 | timelE61i | Zlirp: eh? |
| 15:39.14 | zlirp | timelE61i: I'm not 100% sure as I haven't tried it myself, but opera I think can pull GPS data when running on a phone. |
| 15:39.19 | zlirp | I think it's an option on my BB. |
| 15:39.21 | ShadowJK | The triangulation business requires network/operator support though :( |
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| 15:39.35 | zlirp | So if that were the case, they might abstract it a little. |
| 15:39.37 | mavhc | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGPS |
| 15:39.57 | timelE61i | oh, fennec can get gps from supported models too |
| 15:40.07 | timelE61i | So what? |
| 15:40.26 | mavhc | that lists 6 or 7 things agps can do |
| 15:40.46 | ShadowJK | mavhc, you know, timeless was talking about google maps on phone without (a)gps |
| 15:41.08 | mavhc | that's number 1 on the list |
| 15:41.11 | timelE61i | Heck, fennec on your n810 can support gps too |
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| 15:43.57 | ShadowJK | in the google maps case, when you use google maps with a GPS unit, google maps is recording the cell ID and the GPS position and sending that to google. When you don't have a GPS, google just looks up the cellID in their database and draws a circle around previous GPS-enabled observations of that cell, or something similar :D |
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| 15:46.37 | mavhc | I'm wondering if they scan for wifi networks and gps locate them whilst they're doing streetview |
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| 15:50.12 | mavhc | what's minigpsd about? |
| 15:50.18 | qwerty12 | Oh, nice. osso_display_blanking_pause() actually worked for me. |
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| 15:51.31 | timelE61i | Heh |
| 15:51.43 | timelE61i | Working apis? |
| 15:52.29 | Stskeeps | umpossible |
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| 15:53.01 | qwerty12 | Lol, yeah. If they weren't working though, I'd blame the person in front of my monitor :) |
| 15:54.41 | timelE61i | Hrm, you've been conditioned- you may pass |
| 15:54.45 | qwerty12 | Ah, cute, the autobuilder/scratchbox chokes when building Bundyo's libwebkit for x86 :) |
| 15:55.20 | qwerty12 | I was hoping I could avoid setting arch: armel as opposed to arch: any but I guess I'll have to. |
| 15:58.18 | Meizirkki | Why is marquee-background disabled atm? |
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| 16:04.21 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: it fails to work properly |
| 16:04.31 | Stskeeps | we suspect it's because the background is -actually- black :P |
| 16:07.20 | Stskeeps | ok, this is possibly violating a bunch of encapsulation principles.. |
| 16:07.28 | Stskeeps | but it makes menu button work in H-D |
| 16:07.43 | Stskeeps | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~carsten-munk/m-r/hildon-desktop-um-patches/revision/1165 |
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| 16:08.35 | zeptar | good afternoon |
| 16:08.41 | Stskeeps | afternoon |
| 16:08.59 | zeptar | does anyone have an alternate download link for MediaConverter for OSX Intel? |
| 16:09.07 | zeptar | the link i have doesn't work anymore |
| 16:09.19 | zeptar | http://www.helsinki.fi/~konttori/MediaConverter/Media_Converter_osx_intel.zip |
| 16:09.23 | zeptar | is a dead link |
| 16:09.38 | GeneralAntilles | zeptar, try mediautils? |
| 16:09.39 | zeptar | and the new 'beta' one doesn't work well for me |
| 16:10.52 | zeptar | where would that be GeneralAntilles ? |
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| 16:11.20 | GeneralAntilles | http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org |
| 16:12.13 | zeptar | thanks! i'll give it a shot! |
| 16:12.19 | zeptar | :D |
| 16:12.39 | zeptar | do you know what happened to konttori's ? |
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| 16:13.17 | qwerty12 | Why not ask him yourself? He's currently on the channel, just dunno if he is around. |
| 16:13.28 | zeptar | i emailed him earlier today |
| 16:13.54 | zeptar | konttori_: i was wondering where i can download your mediaconverter for mac osx intel |
| 16:14.06 | zeptar | konttori_: the link on your site doesn't work |
| 16:15.38 | zeptar | the link for PPC works, but converts to slow under rosetta |
| 16:17.11 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: i has clickable h-d menu, and through it, drag lock :> |
| 16:17.24 | Stskeeps | seems to be trivial to add state with gconf |
| 16:17.29 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, ooh, sexy |
| 16:17.44 | qwerty12 | Cool, I was thinking about trying to do the same sometime |
| 16:18.02 | lbt | gnuton: you around ? |
| 16:19.48 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-menubutton2.png |
| 16:19.50 | gnuton | lbt: Hi David! :D I'm cleaning my flat. But every N minutes I check my laptop |
| 16:20.44 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, wow, looks wicked. Although, had any luck with the task switcher chopping the first line of the title off? :) |
| 16:21.07 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: not yet, but next week is for bug fixing |
| 16:21.18 | qwerty12 | fair ennuf |
| 16:21.21 | Stskeeps | which means theme errors, inconsistencies, etc, but not extra features |
| 16:22.06 | Stskeeps | so we can probably look into it there :P |
| 16:22.15 | qwerty12 | :D |
| 16:22.25 | lbt | gnuton: no probs... I had success last night :) |
| 16:22.37 | lbt | I am running qtdemo as a test suite :) |
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| 16:22.48 | lbt | and I think you are going to like it :) |
| 16:23.17 | lbt | graphicsview, TreeView, textedit, scrollarea... all working |
| 16:23.43 | lbt | I'm going to make a video... |
| 16:27.59 | zeptar | have a good day maemoers :D |
| 16:29.05 | lcuk | +1 lbt |
| 16:29.14 | lcuk | infact, +a cherry as well |
| 16:29.53 | gnuton | lbt: cool :D |
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| 16:32.29 | gnuton | lbt: I've done some progress too with the ariya code. Now it works, but the animation could be improved with jumping edges, limits in the maxiumum speed.. |
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| 16:33.23 | zeptar | i found a link that works |
| 16:33.26 | zeptar | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=26 |
| 16:33.32 | zeptar | just in case anyone was wondering |
| 16:33.35 | zeptar | :D |
| 16:33.42 | zeptar | peace and love, peace and love |
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| 16:40.54 | konttori_ | zeptar: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mediaconverter |
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| 16:41.48 | zeptar | thanks konttori i found it. |
| 16:41.50 | zeptar | :D |
| 16:42.07 | zeptar | great tool waay better than the new beta they got |
| 16:42.32 | Meiz_mer | Stskeeps, are those menus in panel meant to look like this?: http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/screenshot01.png |
| 16:43.01 | zeptar | konttori_: you may want to update the links on your site, it was driving me crazy |
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| 16:50.32 | Stskeeps | Meiz_mer: grab a newer version of hildon-theme |
| 16:50.44 | Stskeeps | or is this your own theme? |
| 16:51.07 | Meiz_mer | that is hildon-theme-liberty-mer, latest available |
| 16:51.25 | Stskeeps | hmm. |
| 16:51.36 | Stskeeps | also hildon-desktop? :P |
| 16:51.45 | Stskeeps | grab hildon-desktop and marquee-plugins |
| 16:51.58 | Meiz_mer | ok |
| 16:52.08 | Meiz_mer | thanks again :) |
| 16:52.10 | Stskeeps | just dist-upgrade really |
| 16:52.29 | Stskeeps | np, tomorrow it is party time for the testers, as they can have 0.11 images to start testing :P |
| 16:52.33 | Stskeeps | nice job on the (x) |
| 16:52.36 | Stskeeps | what filename is that? |
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| 17:12.29 | torkiano | hello all, I read http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/2009/03/27/checking-and-updating-old-maemo-bug-reports/ and I'd like change the version of one bugs but I can't |
| 17:13.40 | torkiano | for example this bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1282 is still valid in latest maemo release 4.1.3 |
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| 17:22.18 | timelE61i | gan: do you have grant:canconfirm+editbugs? |
| 17:24.44 | GeneralAntilles | Don't believe so. |
| 17:25.57 | timelE61i | torkiano: not having read the article, and not knowing you, i'd sooner have you comment in a couple of bugs |
| 17:26.10 | timelE61i | Unless someone vouches for your reliability |
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| 17:28.19 | torkiano | timelE61i, I'll comment in the bugs then ;) |
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| 17:37.17 | RST38h | Intel Core 2 Quad S-Series shaves power consumption to 65W |
| 17:37.26 | RST38h | hehes nervously |
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| 17:40.03 | summatusmentis | is there anyone around that chose to use an n8x0 over an eee? |
| 17:40.42 | RST38h | what is there to choose? |
| 17:40.59 | RST38h | eee is a laptop, n8x0 is a gsm-less phone. |
| 17:41.12 | RST38h | two absolutely different animals |
| 17:41.28 | summatusmentis | right, but they both have similar functionality |
| 17:41.38 | RST38h | yea, they both run Linux |
| 17:41.50 | RST38h | and can run the same applications |
| 17:41.50 | freelikegnu | eee does not function in my shirt pocket |
| 17:42.03 | RST38h | that is where similarity ends |
| 17:42.32 | summatusmentis | i'm trying to figure out if I can get away with using my n8x0 as the only mobile device (well, a phone) |
| 17:43.04 | summatusmentis | That is, switching from macbook, to desktop+nit |
| 17:43.21 | summatusmentis | as compared to desktop+eee |
| 17:43.56 | RST38h | ok |
| 17:44.07 | RST38h | Could you list what you are going to use it for |
| 17:44.30 | RST38h | was able to use n8x0 as the only mobile device (+ phone) for 3 weeks, in a pinch |
| 17:45.23 | summatusmentis | uh... web (browsing,im,irc,etc.), ssh, document creation/editing |
| 17:45.48 | summatusmentis | basically a mobile computer when not at a desktop |
| 17:46.23 | RST38h | ok. IM and IRC are no problem at all as long as you can deal with the keyboard input. |
| 17:46.41 | till- | document can be a problem |
| 17:46.44 | summatusmentis | I'm irc'ing from the n810 as we speak |
| 17:47.17 | RST38h | Ditto for ssh |
| 17:47.24 | summatusmentis | how well does google docs work? |
| 17:47.25 | RST38h | Now, browsing is a bit different |
| 17:47.33 | RST38h | work well but slow |
| 17:47.45 | till- | gnumeric is usable |
| 17:47.56 | RST38h | For browsing, I suggest you collect URLs for mobile/iPhone sites and use those |
| 17:48.03 | summatusmentis | is the slow gonna be an issue all around? |
| 17:48.09 | RST38h | They are much lighter on both the traffic and the cpu |
| 17:48.24 | RST38h | AND they are usually ad free :) |
| 17:48.31 | till- | well adblock :) |
| 17:48.47 | RST38h | till: This does not solve 1B-of-javascript problem |
| 17:48.49 | RST38h | 1MB |
| 17:49.04 | till- | iv'e used a mobile and a n800 for 2 month |
| 17:49.07 | till- | during a bike trip |
| 17:49.15 | summatusmentis | I was using my n810 for a while, switched to an iPod Touch, and stopped using it |
| 17:49.37 | RST38h | summa: Basically, for browsing I have got: iGoogle Mobile, Google Reader Mobile, LJ+ Mobile, ITT in its Mobile skin |
| 17:49.48 | RST38h | summa: And the mobile version of rbc.ru for local news |
| 17:49.54 | till- | used it for blogging and watching movies mainly |
| 17:50.14 | RST38h | summa: Google Reader for iPhone edition works like a charm |
| 17:50.27 | summatusmentis | hrm.. |
| 17:50.55 | RST38h | summa: for document editing, I think you are fucked, no reason even trying |
| 17:50.56 | summatusmentis | I really like the idea of a full keyboard |
| 17:51.32 | till- | you can use an usb-keyboard with an mini-usb adaptor |
| 17:51.37 | RST38h | summa: I did try Gnumeric etc, and they work fine for viewing and making a few modifications, but you won't be doing heavy duty editing |
| 17:51.50 | summatusmentis | and the other desktop type environments aren't usable? |
| 17:52.00 | RST38h | Dunno, but suspect that they are not |
| 17:52.13 | RST38h | Software isn't a limit with NITs, it is the hardware that limits you |
| 17:52.29 | summatusmentis | just too old? |
| 17:52.40 | RST38h | For external keyboard, you can use any USB or BT keyboard (Apple BT kbd works well), but they all lag hideously |
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| 17:52.57 | RST38h | summa: No, just not designed for heavy duty desktop apps |
| 17:53.01 | summatusmentis | mm |
| 17:53.08 | till- | maybe an umpc is better in your case |
| 17:53.10 | RST38h | summa: As I said, N8x0 is a generic OMAP2-based smartphone |
| 17:53.25 | RST38h | till: No more than 5 hours runtime. Usually 2-3. |
| 17:53.47 | summatusmentis | RST38h: I know, I was using it for a while... |
| 17:54.09 | summatusmentis | also, the eee's with 6cell batt. get at least 5 hours |
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| 17:54.28 | RST38h | summa: Two main differences between OMAP2 and its ARM friends and the desktop Intel CPUs are cache sizes and memory performance |
| 17:55.14 | RST38h | summa: General desktop apps have huge memroy footprints, so they miss meager ARM cache all the time. And once they do, the SDRAM speeds are in 100-180MHz range. |
| 17:55.29 | summatusmentis | hrm... ok |
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| 17:56.02 | RST38h | summa: Intel CPUs have 512kB-4MB caches and memory bus speeds of 400-800MHz |
| 17:57.44 | torkiano | timelE61i, can you see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2186? I think that you can mark it as solved |
| 17:58.20 | summatusmentis | RST38h: yeah, I'm leaning more toward eee, obviously you lose some mobility (non-pocket thing) |
| 17:59.21 | RST38h | summa: Unless you are short on money, I would just suggest buying a real small subnotebook |
| 17:59.42 | RST38h | summa: Will cost you $900-$1800 |
| 18:00.25 | summatusmentis | RST38h: poor college student here |
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| 18:00.55 | RST38h | summa: Then a netbook it is (not necessarily EEE though) |
| 18:01.02 | summatusmentis | and I'd rather invest money in an upgradeable desktop too |
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| 18:01.26 | RST38h | summa: which is probably wrong, given that few people upgrade their upgradeable desktops :) |
| 18:01.53 | summatusmentis | RST38h: well, the idea would be to build it myself, etc. :D |
| 18:02.18 | summatusmentis | hrm |
| 18:02.21 | RST38h | summa: I have been doing some comparisons lately and found that a netbook basically has 75-90% of a Centrino1 (Pentium M) performance |
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| 18:02.59 | RST38h | summa: As they run at higher speeds than Pentium Ms, you should be able to get something that will even let you run VS.NET, albeit sluggishly |
| 18:03.02 | summatusmentis | which means it's not _that_ useful |
| 18:03.29 | summatusmentis | well, I'd be running linux on it, and I can shell into other machines if needed |
| 18:03.36 | RST38h | summa: Hey, my R100 is a 1.1GHz PentiumM and I have just stopped using it due to cardiac arrests |
| 18:04.00 | RST38h | summa: Have done all development on it for the last 4-5 years |
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| 18:05.11 | summatusmentis | RST38h: hrm... thanks for the hlep |
| 18:05.13 | summatusmentis | help* |
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| 18:07.37 | RST38h | summa: Other ideas: get a netbook with N280 (I think they have slightly higher FSB clock) *or* wait for Moorestown |
| 18:07.52 | summatusmentis | the n280 isn't out, is it? |
| 18:07.55 | RST38h | it is |
| 18:08.02 | summatusmentis | hrm |
| 18:08.18 | RST38h | Moorestown is not but it is gonna be real soon now |
| 18:08.33 | summatusmentis | Moorestown is the 330 model, or whatever, right? and dual-core/ |
| 18:09.50 | RST38h | summa: It is an Atom with memory bridge integrated |
| 18:10.12 | RST38h | summa: supposed to be the first Atom suitable for cellphones, energy wise |
| 18:10.19 | summatusmentis | intriguing |
| 18:10.21 | summatusmentis | hrm |
| 18:10.40 | summatusmentis | thanks for the input, I'll play more |
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| 18:31.56 | torkiano | I can't reproduce bug #2186 with latest diablo release. Can someone mark it as fixed? |
| 18:33.35 | torkiano | I think https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2642 is solved too |
| 18:34.28 | zeptar | here's a bug. on the default media player if mp3s are tagged with track number the program orders the tracks in the playlist 1, 10, 11, 12, 2, 3, 4, 5 ... |
| 18:35.09 | xoox` | Can anybody give me some tips on moving/resizing the "personal launcher" applet? |
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| 18:36.59 | zeptar | i've not used that program xoox` |
| 18:37.47 | qwerty12_N800 | xoox`: when applets prove difficult to move, I find tapping the applications menu & trying to move the applet again helps me |
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| 18:45.08 | xoox` | Thanks, I got it. |
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| 18:46.56 | RST38h | Am I the only one unable to connect to n810 via obex:// from Ubuntu? |
| 18:47.38 | qwerty12_N800 | sftp? Or is BT your only option? :) |
| 18:47.56 | RST38h | sftp works fine |
| 18:48.15 | RST38h | Just wondering why obex does not work. It may come handy if there is no wifi nearby |
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| 19:18.12 | GeneralAntilles | bangs his head against the wall repeatedly. |
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| 19:19.03 | qwerty12_N800 | sneaks up behind GeneralAntilles and shoots him while he's banging his head |
| 19:19.35 | GeneralAntilles | Please |
| 19:19.37 | GeneralAntilles | Pretty please |
| 19:19.38 | GeneralAntilles | do it |
| 19:19.47 | GeneralAntilles | The Mac Mini's hard drive has now failed |
| 19:19.51 | GeneralAntilles | They're dropping like flies. |
| 19:20.03 | fireun | fries |
| 19:20.28 | AStorm | french variety? |
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| 19:20.31 | AStorm | ;) |
| 19:20.35 | fireun | criss cross |
| 19:20.44 | GeneralAntilles | kills himself. |
| 19:20.50 | StsN800 | GeneralAntilles, happened after you got something dell? |
| 19:20.57 | AStorm | now, we have to resurrect him |
| 19:20.58 | fireun | screeeeaaachKlink |
| 19:21.15 | AStorm | otherwise, the council will be incomplete |
| 19:21.24 | RST38h | General: No way?!? |
| 19:21.24 | fireun | reads scroll of resurection |
| 19:21.33 | RST38h | (about hd) |
| 19:21.59 | StsN800 | GeneralAntilles, hard fail? SMART reporting what? |
| 19:22.01 | GeneralAntilles | Next up, the Mini 9's going to explode in my lap. |
| 19:22.02 | fireun | tinktinktinkbeepbeepklinktinktink |
| 19:22.08 | AStorm | fireun, you're missing the 3000gp-worth diamond |
| 19:22.15 | RST38h | guesses it will be the Battery |
| 19:22.26 | GeneralAntilles | StsN800, flashing questionmark Mac on startup. No apparent issues until this point. |
| 19:22.27 | RST38h | nice high temperature burning with visual effects |
| 19:23.03 | StsN800 | GeneralAntilles, hmm. i would verify the hd in another device with smartmontools |
| 19:24.05 | GeneralAntilles | StsN800, if I had the other devices |
| 19:24.12 | GeneralAntilles | or the patience |
| 19:24.24 | fireun | willpower is a slippery thing |
| 19:24.28 | GeneralAntilles | I'm about at the end of my rope for technology bullshit for one day. |
| 19:24.48 | fireun | GeneralAntilles: its sunday, try going outside? |
| 19:24.58 | fireun | stays inside despite his recommendation |
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| 19:25.17 | GeneralAntilles | fireun, then I have to come back inside to thousands of dollars worth of paperweights. |
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| 19:25.27 | GeneralAntilles | Unless I just skip town |
| 19:25.31 | fireun | GeneralAntilles: in time, this too will pass |
| 19:25.54 | GeneralAntilles | fireun, not before it ends up costing me a lot of money and/or time. |
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| 19:26.02 | fireun | been there holmes |
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| 19:28.58 | GeneralAntilles | Of course, a fun X crash as the pretty little cherry on top. |
| 19:29.47 | StsN801 | time to grab a cup of tea and a book and considering to go into the wild :P |
| 19:30.09 | GeneralAntilles | Move out west and hunt coyote for ranchers for a living. |
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| 19:30.36 | fireun | GeneralAntilles: hey, you got a lead on that job? really? |
| 19:31.00 | GeneralAntilles | fireun, got a friend in the business. |
| 19:31.03 | StsN801 | you could also consider hunting iTT trolls for profit |
| 19:31.10 | GeneralAntilles | Who would pay me? |
| 19:31.26 | fireun | is out west |
| 19:31.53 | StsN801 | i'm sure a donation fund would be possible |
| 19:32.11 | fireun | would I need to bring back the pelts, or are ears good enough? |
| 19:32.42 | GeneralAntilles | fireun, dunno, honestly. |
| 19:32.53 | fireun | (: |
| 19:33.27 | fireun | I suppose slogging through the cold woods, getting tick bites and craving hot coffee would drag after awhile |
| 19:33.36 | fireun | and no internet! |
| 19:33.48 | fireun | or do coyotes have wifi? |
| 19:33.51 | GeneralAntilles | That's the best part! |
| 19:34.20 | fireun | does it pay by the coyote, or is it a general retainer? |
| 19:34.23 | fireun | (: |
| 19:34.29 | fireun | finds the idea appealing |
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| 19:35.05 | GeneralAntilles | I think he's got a part-time position with one guy and by-the-dog with some others. |
| 19:36.39 | timelE61i | Torkiano: just comment in the bug(s) someone can speed through them if you do |
| 19:38.48 | timelE61i | gan: what are the odds i can find a firewire cable at work? :) |
| 19:39.37 | GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, slim to none? |
| 19:39.47 | timelE61i | nods |
| 19:39.53 | GeneralAntilles | wonders what the odds of something exploding in his face are. |
| 19:39.57 | timelE61i | i should just buy one on my way to work |
| 19:40.09 | timelE61i | gan: high :) |
| 19:40.28 | timelE61i | That is... If you have anything that hasn't failed yet |
| 19:40.34 | timelE61i | Bt headset/phone :) |
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| 19:40.46 | GeneralAntilles | Double failures |
| 19:40.50 | GeneralAntilles | Man that's a scary thought. |
| 19:41.05 | GeneralAntilles | moves the G5 paperweight into the other room just in case. |
| 19:41.18 | StsN801 | and that's why raid isn't a backup |
| 19:41.30 | GeneralAntilles | Firewire cables are a pain. |
| 19:41.53 | GeneralAntilles | I can never manage to scrounge one up when I need one even though I have at least a dozen. |
| 19:42.20 | fireun | the student mail server at school crashed this weekend too |
| 19:42.25 | fireun | hd failure |
| 19:42.41 | fireun | *apparently* they dont have it on a raid ): |
| 19:42.58 | timelE61i | Please say that unlike usb there's only one cable type |
| 19:43.06 | Veggen | gah. I don't dare not even for my home desktop :) |
| 19:43.09 | timelE61i | Fireun: raid sucks |
| 19:43.20 | timelE61i | They should use zfs w/ a supported os |
| 19:43.22 | StsN801 | i have 2x raid, seperated in different buildings |
| 19:43.25 | timelE61i | != OSX |
| 19:43.30 | GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, 4 |
| 19:43.51 | GeneralAntilles | 4-pin, 6-pin, 9-pin |
| 19:44.15 | timelE61i | lovely |
| 19:44.27 | GeneralAntilles | Firewire 800, Firewire 400, Firewire 800 to 400, and Firewire 400 (MiniUSB style). |
| 19:44.31 | fireun | timelE61i: I didnt say raid was the only way to do it, just pointing out they still dont have it back up again and so likely dont use any kind of failure avoidance |
| 19:44.34 | timelE61i | I want to slave my mbp to a desktop workstation |
| 19:44.48 | GeneralAntilles | Target Firewire drive is genius. |
| 19:45.17 | GeneralAntilles | I can't tell you how many times that's saved my ass. |
| 19:45.32 | timelE61i | nods |
| 19:45.42 | timelE61i | now tell me which cable type :) |
| 19:46.21 | GeneralAntilles | 6-pin to 6-pin |
| 19:46.38 | GeneralAntilles | Or, actually, does the new MBP ship with a 400 port? |
| 19:48.34 | fireun | the shadownet s destroying hds |
| 19:49.00 | GeneralAntilles | I actually have a replacement HD on hand, but I don't have a putty knife to get the damn thing open. |
| 19:49.06 | timelE61i | there was a port of about the same size as the usb ports next to them |
| 19:49.21 | timelE61i | W/ a Y logo which i presume is firewire |
| 19:49.34 | GeneralAntilles | Was it USB A shaped or USB B shaped? |
| 19:49.52 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:49.57 | timelE61i | Is that powered/unpowered? |
| 19:50.48 | GeneralAntilles | Well, the Firewire 800 port is more square, the Firewire 400 port is more rectangular |
| 19:50.58 | GeneralAntilles | They've removed the 400 ports from most of the newer Macs. |
| 19:51.04 | timelE61i | the usb ports are what i consider rectangular |
| 19:51.15 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.appleinnovation.com/images/macbookpro-ports.gif |
| 19:51.17 | timelE61i | And the adj port seemed about the same |
| 19:51.34 | timelE61i | My phone's running low on power :V |
| 19:52.03 | GeneralAntilles | Probably 400 |
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| 19:52.31 | GeneralAntilles | So a 6pin to 6pin Firewire 400 cable will do. |
| 19:53.02 | timelE61i | Um, are those my choices? |
| 19:54.19 | timelE61i | Because i have 2usb, power, express and two optical, and ethernet iirc |
| 19:54.29 | timelE61i | gives up and walks home |
| 19:54.46 | GeneralAntilles | can't be usefully specific without more details. |
| 19:54.57 | GeneralAntilles | is also addled. |
| 19:55.27 | timelE61i | 2.4ghz 4g ram, 300g hdd? |
| 19:55.38 | timelE61i | New thinner than previous model |
| 19:55.43 | GeneralAntilles | Black border around the LCD? |
| 19:55.51 | timelE61i | Yes |
| 19:55.58 | GeneralAntilles | It may not even have Firewire, actually. |
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| 19:56.47 | GeneralAntilles | The rectangular port is the DisplayLink port |
| 19:56.51 | timelE61i | decides to walk home and look |
| 19:56.55 | GeneralAntilles | there's a Firewire 800 port on there |
| 19:57.18 | GeneralAntilles | So, depending on whether your desktop has Firewire 800 you'll need either an 800 cable or an 800 to 400 |
| 19:57.52 | timelE61i | so basically i have to walk to work before i buy |
| 19:58.07 | timelE61i | Fun |
| 19:58.23 | timelE61i | Well, in that case, i think i'll buy more storage too |
| 19:58.36 | GeneralAntilles | Retail? |
| 19:58.38 | GeneralAntilles | Ew |
| 19:58.42 | timelE61i | Sp3000: where's the price point for sata-ii? |
| 19:59.00 | GeneralAntilles | Bigger is always cheaper per GB |
| 19:59.04 | timelE61i | You'd suggest i use mynokiapurchase? |
| 19:59.27 | GeneralAntilles | Well, buying retail here basically means a 20-30% markup over what I could get online |
| 19:59.55 | timelE61i | Typically those take a while, don't match what you want, aren't compatible, and are more expensive and slower than retail. Plus smaller |
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| 20:00.05 | timelE61i | We're good at purchasing |
| 20:00.22 | GeneralAntilles | 1TB is the price I like for drives, anyway. |
| 20:00.41 | timelE61i | Oh, and they recommend the wrong components |
| 20:01.00 | timelE61i | E.g. They recommend an 8port noisy unstackable switch |
| 20:01.28 | timelE61i | Instead of a 16port quiet stackable one which costs nearly the same... |
| 20:02.15 | timelE61i | Do you find internal is cheaper than ext? |
| 20:02.24 | GeneralAntilles | Always |
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| 20:03.21 | GeneralAntilles | Well, for US prices anyway |
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| 20:03.33 | GeneralAntilles | I can't speak for crazyland |
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| 20:06.14 | timeless | yay, stupid irc client crashed |
| 20:06.19 | timeless | ok, so i have a fw800 port |
| 20:06.29 | timeless | and dp, and the other stuff i mentioned:) |
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| 20:08.53 | StsN802 | 'lo milhouse |
| 20:09.12 | atv | After submitting application in gsoc, how we r supposed to get feedback from mentors? |
| 20:10.33 | fireun | http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/03775904-177c-11de-8c9d-0000779fd2ac.html |
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| 20:14.48 | GeneralAntilles | itT -> Talk is like XP -> Vista . . . wait, what? |
| 20:15.21 | Jaffa | <sigh/> |
| 20:15.48 | GeneralAntilles | I wish it would just happen so people can stop making idiotic predictions about it. |
| 20:16.09 | lbt | For those who are interested (and haven't already seen it on #liqbase) I've been working on fingerscrolling for Qt4.5 on the nokia tablets: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TxAIScXQvkâ |
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| 20:16.38 | timeless | gan: compare: |
| 20:16.39 | timeless | http://www.verkkokauppa.com/popups/prodinfo.php?id=8786 |
| 20:16.45 | GeneralAntilles | So, what does it mean when something with no moving parts starts making noise? |
| 20:16.45 | timeless | http://www.verkkokauppa.com/popups/prodinfo.php?id=17284 |
| 20:17.02 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, you need a bigger hammer |
| 20:17.50 | GeneralAntilles | timeless, I don't read Finnish. |
| 20:18.07 | timeless | nor do i |
| 20:18.16 | timeless | afaict the only difference between those are the price |
| 20:18.25 | timeless | and probably the one that costs more is internal :) |
| 20:18.28 | GeneralAntilles | The Seagate serial is different, too. |
| 20:18.49 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe one's the enterprise model? |
| 20:18.56 | timeless | maybe |
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| 20:19.11 | GeneralAntilles | Or OEM package and retail package |
| 20:19.11 | timeless | anyway, nothing makes sense in this messed up land :) |
| 20:21.47 | GeneralAntilles | The 340AS is heavier, uses more power and has faster seek times. |
| 20:22.18 | GeneralAntilles | The 333AS is, apparently, has higher theoretical throughput. |
| 20:22.31 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=c9d88cf6a794b110VgnVCM100000f5ee0a0aRCRD http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=0732f141e7f43110VgnVCM100000f5ee0a0aRCRD |
| 20:22.41 | GeneralAntilles | Is there a next-tab/previous-tab in Firefox? |
| 20:22.55 | Jaffa | Ctrl/Command-PgUp/Down |
| 20:23.12 | timeless | gan: wanna verify 2642? |
| 20:23.33 | timeless | depending on your ver, ctrl-tab/ctrl-shift-tab may also work.. |
| 20:23.38 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, thanks Jaffa |
| 20:24.00 | GeneralAntilles | is used to having those as mouse buttons. |
| 20:24.34 | fireun | ctrl-pgup/pgdwn works as well, and is the same under chrome |
| 20:25.00 | GeneralAntilles | timeless, I don't have any bookmarks in Google. |
| 20:25.43 | GeneralAntilles | timeless, ask me in a week. |
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| 20:31.04 | sp3000 | timeless: oh, yeah, my pvr fails at dst |
| 20:31.11 | timeless | awesome |
| 20:31.13 | timeless | hrm |
| 20:31.15 | timeless | come to think of it |
| 20:31.18 | timeless | i suspect mine does too |
| 20:31.22 | timeless | goes to find out |
| 20:31.50 | sp3000 | it updates local but the programming doesn't follow |
| 20:32.00 | sp3000 | which is a pretty exciting way to fail |
| 20:32.13 | timeless | well, that stems from the fact that pvrs here utterly suck |
| 20:32.18 | timeless | sp3000: anyway |
| 20:32.49 | timeless | tomorrow i need help getting a firewire cable |
| 20:32.52 | sp3000 | I guess it's valid if things you record are usually not on your tz, but that seems ...uncommon |
| 20:32.54 | timeless | so i can try to rescue my mac |
| 20:33.03 | timeless | lol |
| 20:33.18 | timeless | and i also want to buy a new hdd |
| 20:33.28 | sp3000 | you're making a tradition of breaking it on weekends? |
| 20:33.31 | timeless | btw, does verkokauppa have an en thing |
| 20:33.36 | GeneralAntilles | timeless Goes Shopping |
| 20:33.36 | timeless | sp3000: i guess so |
| 20:33.43 | GeneralAntilles | You should put that on YouTube |
| 20:33.51 | timeless | but next time, i'm going to ZFS Send to my new HDD :) |
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| 20:40.09 | VDVsx | atv, yes, all the applications under maemo org have comments right now |
| 20:41.14 | GeneralAntilles | timeless, by the way, newegg really doesn't like that drive |
| 20:41.25 | timeless | as in claims it sucks? |
| 20:41.39 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148373 |
| 20:41.41 | timeless | istr saying that the quality of what we get here is awful |
| 20:41.48 | GeneralAntilles | 3/5 stars |
| 20:42.05 | timeless | also note the price differential |
| 20:42.13 | timeless | it's about 2x as much here |
| 20:46.08 | suihkulokki | timeless: an en thing ? |
| 20:46.28 | timeless | ? for verko? that'd be nice, yes |
| 20:47.30 | suihkulokki | ah, you mean the language |
| 20:47.44 | timeless | some of us don't speak fiFI |
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| 20:48.39 | suihkulokki | I don't think their business has enough profit margin to translate all the stuff in their shop |
| 20:48.57 | suihkulokki | they don't even have swedish pages although that's a official language |
| 20:49.15 | timeless | s/ a / an / |
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| 22:33.14 | rohananil | hey all :) |
| 22:33.29 | rohananil | i am interested in the Improve Xournal project |
| 22:33.37 | rohananil | and adding handwriting recognition to it :) |
| 22:34.15 | rohananil | are there any mentors around :) (i know its a sunday ) |
| 22:36.02 | VDVsx | rohananil, the mentor for this project should be anidel, but he is not here right now, I guess |
| 22:36.57 | rohananil | VDVsx: thanks , could you tell me what time is he around usually ? :) |
| 22:38.05 | VDVsx | rohananil, probably during the working hours (UTC time) |
| 22:39.10 | rohananil | ok thank you again :) |
| 22:39.43 | rohananil | i have one more question , the opencv svn ,porting to maemo and testing , would require the student to have a tablet ? :) |
| 22:40.55 | rohananil | oh yeah its written there itself :) |
| 22:41.08 | VDVsx | rohananil, yup |
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