| 00:07.10 | ymalheiros | lfelipe, opa... pvt? |
| 00:08.49 | lfelipe | ymalheiros: sim |
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| 01:13.39 | timeless_mbp | anyone here have mer? |
| 01:14.02 | timeless_mbp | for some reason, my screen's layout doesn't look right |
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| 01:40.47 | RST38h | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/2009/03/custom_1237938688448_GilbertAtomicOpentrimmed.jpg |
| 01:41.00 | RST38h | Yesss |
| 01:44.05 | GeneralAntilles | I think I've finally gotten used to the Mini 9's keyboard. |
| 01:44.47 | RST38h | Ready to move to Fujitsu? =) |
| 01:45.20 | GeneralAntilles | It's a larger formfactor than I'm interested in, and it's way more money than I want to pay. |
| 01:45.24 | GeneralAntilles | It also ships with Windows. |
| 01:45.25 | GeneralAntilles | So, um, no? |
| 01:45.59 | RST38h | No, I meant the other Fujitsu |
| 01:46.11 | RST38h | The really tiny one, with a flip screen. A moment |
| 01:46.34 | GeneralAntilles | That's, like, $1200? |
| 01:46.58 | RST38h | http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10081923-1.html |
| 01:47.58 | RST38h | Don't remember. Seen it in at a store few days ago, didn't check the price because the whole thing was too tiny anyway |
| 01:48.28 | RST38h | BUT, General, a Toshiba R500 is just $899 from CompUSA Direct |
| 01:48.33 | GeneralAntilles | "just" |
| 01:48.36 | GeneralAntilles | I paid $260 |
| 01:49.07 | RST38h | Yes, but the goddamn Toshiba is ~3 times faster than your Mini and has got real screen and keyboard |
| 01:49.28 | GeneralAntilles | So, let's see, it's way bigger than what I want, it's way pricier than want I want, and it ships with Windows. |
| 01:49.29 | GeneralAntilles | No thanks. |
| 01:49.30 | RST38h | (ok, the LED backlit screen sucks in my personal opinion, but you can also use it in daylight, withbacklight off) |
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| 01:49.54 | Pinger | Hi |
| 01:50.00 | RST38h | isn't much bigger. yes, there is that "pricier" factor. |
| 01:50.55 | RST38h | having said that, I really liked the Mini I saw at the store, just a bit scared to buy something like this for development. |
| 01:51.28 | GeneralAntilles | It's a good 3" wider and 2" deeper. |
| 01:51.43 | GeneralAntilles | I'm glad you're happy with your purchase, but it's not what I'm looking for. |
| 01:51.52 | GeneralAntilles | If I had wanted a proper laptop I would have bought a proper laptop. |
| 01:51.54 | Pinger | Running 'apt-get' update on 'FREMANTLE_ARMEL', Err http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk/non-free Packages 404 Not Found |
| 01:52.34 | RST38h | GAN: It isn't a proper laptop by any measure really |
| 01:52.36 | GeneralAntilles | Pinger, this is the Fremantle SDK repository structure: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/ |
| 01:53.03 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, whatever metrics you want to apply to it, it's certainly not a netbook and it's certainly not what I want. |
| 01:53.10 | Pinger | who can give a useable http_proxy? |
| 01:53.38 | RST38h | GAN: No, not a netbook. Has got a real CPU inside and a usable keyboard/screen :) |
| 01:54.03 | GeneralAntilles | doesn't know why this is a discussion. |
| 01:54.25 | RST38h | Dunno, you are just being a bit defensive of netbooks :) |
| 01:54.44 | GeneralAntilles | No, you're trying to push this Toshiba on me. |
| 01:55.01 | Pinger | GeneralAntilles: Err http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools/free Packages |
| 01:55.03 | Pinger | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:55.08 | RST38h | General: It is either Toshiba or MacBook Air :) |
| 01:55.21 | RST38h | And I am not yet crazy enough to push the latter. |
| 01:55.36 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, for me it's neither, because I don't want a piece of hardware in that formfactor. |
| 01:56.07 | GeneralAntilles | So, thanks for the recommendation, I'll keep it in mind if anybody else is looking for something like that. Otherwise, end of discussion. |
| 01:56.11 | Pinger | GeneralAntilles: i want to run 'atp-get update' for installing something |
| 01:56.20 | RST38h | wonders whether Intel current marketing policy would require him to push netbooks or real laptops (as opposed to netbooks) |
| 01:56.58 | GeneralAntilles | Pinger, can you pastebin your sources list? |
| 01:57.10 | GeneralAntilles | 404 isn't a proxy issue if you've got bad sources entries. |
| 01:57.16 | Pinger | ok, wait a minute |
| 01:57.43 | Pinger | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/sdk free non-free |
| 01:57.45 | Pinger | deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/sdk free |
| 01:57.46 | Pinger | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/tools free non-free |
| 01:57.48 | Pinger | deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/tools free |
| 01:58.33 | GeneralAntilles | As you can see here: the sdk and tools sup repos don't exist (there's no device yet for Fremantle, so no point in the tools repo) |
| 01:58.43 | GeneralAntilles | Remove /sdk and /tools from those entries and you should be OK. |
| 01:59.10 | Pinger | i got it |
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| 01:59.45 | atrus | Hello |
| 02:00.22 | Pinger | GeneralAntilles: it isn't ok |
| 02:00.41 | Pinger | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/ free non-free |
| 02:00.58 | GeneralAntilles | Remove the trailing slash on fremantle/, too. :) |
| 02:02.04 | Pinger | i got this messages: |
| 02:02.07 | Pinger | Err http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/free Packages |
| 02:02.08 | Pinger | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:02.10 | Pinger | Err http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/non-free Packages |
| 02:02.11 | Pinger | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:02.13 | Pinger | Err http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/free Packages |
| 02:02.14 | Pinger | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:02.16 | Pinger | Err http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/non-free Packages |
| 02:02.17 | Pinger | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:03.06 | GeneralAntilles | Right, you'll need to remove the trailing slash from fremantle/. Your source entry should look like: deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle free non-free |
| 02:04.01 | Pinger | i did this, but it isn't ok |
| 02:05.34 | Pinger | My source entry: |
| 02:05.38 | Pinger | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/sdk free non-free |
| 02:05.40 | Pinger | deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/sdk free |
| 02:05.42 | Pinger | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/tools free non-free |
| 02:05.44 | Pinger | deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/tools free |
| 02:06.19 | Pinger | i run 'export http_proxy=http://128.112.139.97:3127', and 'apt-get update'. it is ok |
| 02:07.22 | Pinger | maybe my network has something wrong |
| 02:09.28 | Pinger | GeneralAntilles: thanks for your help |
| 02:16.20 | Atrus6 | This may sound silly, but Pinger, should there be a space between maemo.org/ and freemantle? |
| 02:17.49 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
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| 02:17.55 | GeneralAntilles | fremantle is the distribution |
| 02:18.01 | Pinger | A space? i don't thinks so |
| 02:18.25 | Pinger | why? |
| 02:19.16 | Atrus6 | Oh, okay, I was just wondering, it looked odd to me. |
| 02:24.21 | Pinger | Hi, bro. How to install Buildbot in sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL |
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| 02:27.11 | krushia | i have a viewsonic viewpad. it needs some linux. any ideas? i'm having trouble finding a distribution to settle on. all i really want to do is scribble on it :-D |
| 02:28.31 | krushia | http://www.amazon.com/ViewSonic-ViewPad-1000-Tablet-PC/dp/B00006RVR8 |
| 02:28.38 | krushia | that's the culprit |
| 02:29.13 | Pinger | Hi, bro. How to install Buildbot in sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL |
| 02:29.50 | GeneralAntilles | krushia, for your pursposes, Maemo proper is too much the embedded OS. |
| 02:29.56 | GeneralAntilles | But Mer sounds like what you're after. |
| 02:29.58 | GeneralAntilles | ~mer |
| 02:29.59 | infobot | [mer] http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer |
| 02:30.14 | GeneralAntilles | It's a bit immature at the moment, but will probably fit your purposes rather nicely in a few months. |
| 02:30.26 | krushia | thanks for the lead |
| 02:31.21 | GeneralAntilles | krushia, most of the tablet-focused Linux stuff is pretty immature at the moment. |
| 02:31.54 | GeneralAntilles | But it's an up and coming space, so things should get better rather quickly. |
| 02:32.04 | krushia | yeah, i know there is a lot out there but it is all scattered in various device-specific projects |
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| 02:33.00 | GeneralAntilles | The important part of Maem, the Hildon UI, was pushed upstream a while ago |
| 02:33.16 | GeneralAntilles | but nobody's really done the work to make it more general purpose (until Mer, of course). |
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| 02:38.15 | RST38h | BTW, looks like I have found a workaround for the Flash player problem eating CPU |
| 02:38.25 | RST38h | If anyone is interested of course |
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| 03:55.17 | jaem | hello |
| 03:56.23 | jaem | OT, but has anyone heard of a company called Calao Systems? They make interesting ARM boards, but the series of links to viagra and similar at the bottom puts me off a bit |
| 03:56.55 | jaem | strangely enough, all those links appear to be going to pages hosted in .folders on some US university website |
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| 05:52.29 | yaema | Can anyone help me? I'm having problems to install python on scratchbox. Apt says that I requested an impossible situation and I really don't know what to do |
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| 07:35.34 | timeless_mbp | google |
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| 07:41.55 | hhahlo | offtopic does anybody have any 3G linux device like mini laptop or something? does it make virtual serial interface for 3G circuit under /dev like /dev/ttyS0 or /dev/ttyUSB0? |
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| 07:43.23 | Davide | hi any maemo mapper developers here? |
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| 09:38.11 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 09:44.20 | tekojo | Morning |
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| 09:51.32 | Myrtti | moin |
| 09:57.15 | timeless_mbp | hi |
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| 10:19.16 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: btw, the vbox tools fail |
| 10:19.21 | timeless_mbp | they complain i don't have kernel headers |
| 10:19.28 | timeless_mbp | and i can't find the kernel header version they want |
| 10:20.15 | Stskeeps | yeah.. don't think they have it for jaunty yet |
| 10:21.57 | timeless_mbp | kernel - headers = evil |
| 10:29.23 | andre__ | how can i easily post stuff in HTML in ITt, instead of using the ITt syntax? [HTML] tags don't do what i expected them to :-P |
| 10:31.13 | x29a | andre__: maybe html is disabled for security reasons? |
| 10:31.49 | andre__ | grmpf. if so, that's bad. shouldn't blocking <script>, <img> and <*frame> be enough? |
| 10:32.10 | timeless_mbp | no |
| 10:32.20 | timeless_mbp | you have to deal w/ attributes |
| 10:32.23 | timeless_mbp | and style |
| 10:32.32 | timeless_mbp | and... there's a longer explanation, but can we leave it at that? |
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| 10:53.11 | GeneralAntilles | I'm now utterly convinced that the Maemo SDK is explicitly setup to prevent anyone from ever developing for this platform. |
| 10:55.40 | timeless_mbp | took you log enough :) |
| 10:55.41 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, ping? |
| 10:56.06 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: that's what i've been saying for a long time |
| 10:56.06 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:56.37 | GeneralAntilles | It's shameful really and Nokia's going to have to do something about it if they want anybody to take Maemo seriously. |
| 10:57.15 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: The vmware images etc help.. |
| 10:57.28 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, pong pong |
| 10:57.33 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, nope, not even the VMWare image helps. |
| 10:58.00 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, how's bug-buddy? |
| 10:59.12 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: andre__ *IS* bug-buddy |
| 10:59.15 | timeless_mbp | :) |
| 10:59.23 | andre__ | i'm also wondering what GeneralAntilles means :-P |
| 10:59.33 | timeless_mbp | he automatically finds the right random bug tracker |
| 10:59.43 | timeless_mbp | no matter how well buried it is |
| 10:59.43 | andre__ | is bad with open questions, this problem already starts when someone asks me "how is it going" |
| 10:59.48 | GeneralAntilles | Evidently probably not that good, then. https://launchpad.net/bug-buddy |
| 11:00.25 | timeless_mbp | page won't load :) |
| 11:00.47 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, drop the s maybe? |
| 11:01.13 | timeless_mbp | nah, safari is using a proxy it can't find :) |
| 11:01.14 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: so... |
| 11:01.18 | timeless_mbp | nokia is probably shipping crash-reporter |
| 11:01.24 | GeneralAntilles | While watching various SDK installation methods go up in various different colored flames I was pondering on semi-automated crash reporters. |
| 11:01.44 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, what's that launchpad page about? and what's your real question? :) |
| 11:01.47 | timeless_mbp | certainly they keep pushing it |
| 11:02.00 | GeneralAntilles | Unfortunately Nokia refuses to properly ship theirs and I didn't have the patience to try to cajole bug-buddy into showing me what it looked like without an actual crash, so. . . . |
| 11:02.14 | timeless_mbp | heh |
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| 11:02.25 | timeless_mbp | well, poke eero :) |
| 11:02.29 | andre__ | nokia has nitro available (the crash reporter) |
| 11:02.33 | timeless_mbp | or maybe tekojo |
| 11:02.34 | andre__ | yupp, it's eero's app |
| 11:02.43 | timeless_mbp | someone from some team should be able to get a version+ source into some repo |
| 11:02.45 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, I kind of assumed that if it's being billed as GNOME's bug reporter somebody as heavily involved in GNOME would have some familiarity with it. :P |
| 11:02.56 | timeless_mbp | nitro is the old maemo4 name fwiw... it's now just crash-reporter :) |
| 11:03.03 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, yes, i may have some familiarity with it. |
| 11:03.08 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 11:03.15 | andre__ | but i can only answer concrete questions :-P |
| 11:03.28 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, don't be another SDK. :P |
| 11:03.49 | andre__ | and "how's the weather" questions often confuse me. "how's the weather compared to foo" is easier ;-) |
| 11:04.06 | timeless_mbp | actually, it's sunny here/now... |
| 11:04.09 | GeneralAntilles | My question, I guess, is whether it's a useful enough project that it'd be worth looking at if I'm thinking about a bug reporter. |
| 11:04.13 | andre__ | here too, finally |
| 11:04.33 | timeless_mbp | found bug buddy to be not that great |
| 11:04.39 | timeless_mbp | used it a couple of times |
| 11:05.00 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2009-March/msg00035.html |
| 11:05.04 | GeneralAntilles | That's kind of what I assumed. |
| 11:05.25 | andre__ | it's basic. that's why ubuntu has apport, and fedora is also working on their own app |
| 11:05.43 | andre__ | instead of stopping wasting time and improving bug-buddy for their needs |
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| 11:05.59 | timeless_mbp | and nokia has nitro/crash-reporter |
| 11:06.11 | andre__ | yeah, but that's a bit different technically |
| 11:06.13 | timeless_mbp | and mozilla has crash reporter (our name came first!) to replace talkback |
| 11:06.29 | GeneralAntilles | The Linux desktop experience really leaves a lot to be desired. |
| 11:06.36 | timeless_mbp | mozilla also has a qa extension and some other feedback things like hendrix |
| 11:06.43 | andre__ | nitro is more about coredumps, while bug-buddy is about stacktraces iirc |
| 11:06.44 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: BeOS? :) |
| 11:06.58 | timeless_mbp | andre__: the stack traces are managed by the nitro server |
| 11:07.03 | timeless_mbp | same w/ talkback/crashreporter |
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| 11:07.13 | andre__ | yeah, somewhere in the dark :) |
| 11:07.15 | timeless_mbp | you send a core, the server has the symbols and figures out the rest |
| 11:07.25 | timeless_mbp | yeah well.. |
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| 11:07.38 | andre__ | that was also planned for gnome, before fer left after doing half of the work, and was never seen again |
| 11:07.40 | GeneralAntilles | It's tough going from a desktop environment that mostly works at least somewhat most of the time to one that likes to fail spectacularly from time to time. |
| 11:07.49 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: hey... |
| 11:08.02 | timeless_mbp | i'm still looking at OS X and saying "wow, a feature i had in BeOS 10 years ago" |
| 11:08.09 | timeless_mbp | (this is a "new in 10.5" feature) |
| 11:08.10 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 11:08.17 | GeneralAntilles | Well, we make due with what we've got. ;) |
| 11:08.22 | timeless_mbp | do? |
| 11:08.40 | GeneralAntilles | Blame your SDK team for scrambling my brains. |
| 11:11.08 | jeff1f | beos, it's the os |
| 11:11.47 | glass | beos is nice |
| 11:11.57 | glass | but.. pretty useless for working nowadays |
| 11:13.35 | GeneralAntilles | Nice http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcdaosTiWPI |
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| 11:14.13 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, bug-buddy screenshots: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=77786&action=view and http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=77788&action=view and http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=120505&action=view |
| 11:14.17 | andre__ | fyi |
| 11:15.25 | GeneralAntilles | I think I hate about "What were you doing?" fields in automated crash reports is that, usually, the best answer I can come up with is "using your, evidently broken, application" |
| 11:17.07 | GeneralAntilles | s/I think/The thing/ |
| 11:17.15 | GeneralAntilles | <- scrambled. |
| 11:17.26 | GeneralAntilles | reporters. . . . |
| 11:18.02 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: yeah, those fields generally don't seem to work well |
| 11:18.03 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: heh, i'm scrambled atm too. we are presenting something at work tomorrow and we have to put a board in a shiny new case.. which has just been spray painted |
| 11:18.11 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: the worst feature of bug buddy and similar |
| 11:18.12 | Stskeeps | i feel a bit high combined with a huge headache. |
| 11:18.19 | timeless_mbp | is the ability to show the user the data they have |
| 11:18.31 | timeless_mbp | which is usually garbage w/o corresponding server data |
| 11:18.41 | timeless_mbp | users will inevitably *copy* that "data" into a bug report |
| 11:19.39 | timeless_mbp | andre__: nice example |
| 11:19.42 | timeless_mbp | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=556142 |
| 11:19.46 | timeless_mbp | Status:UNCONFIRMED |
| 11:19.56 | timeless_mbp | Opened: 2008-10-13 |
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| 11:21.01 | andre__ | timeless_mbp, the "review data" button is the bad workaround to blame the user herself for submitting passwords etc |
| 11:21.04 | andre__ | *no irony) |
| 11:21.29 | timeless_mbp | users will then copy the data, password included :) |
| 11:21.46 | timeless_mbp | the review data button at least for the closed database versions |
| 11:21.49 | andre__ | their fault. "we gave them the option to avoid that" :-P |
| 11:21.52 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, there's the "OK, I've found a crash that looks to be reproducible, so now I'm going to figure out everything I need to know to file a useful bug" and then there's "OK, here's this pretty crash reporter that's suddenly and unexpectedly appeared for an application that was idling in the background" |
| 11:21.54 | andre__ | timeless_mbp, what's wrong with 556142? |
| 11:21.57 | timeless_mbp | is a workaround for the paranoid users who will complain |
| 11:22.01 | timeless_mbp | andre__: it's unconfirmed |
| 11:22.14 | timeless_mbp | and has a symbol free stack |
| 11:22.22 | andre__ | timeless_mbp, in gnome bugzilla there's no difference at all between unconfirmed and new |
| 11:22.31 | GeneralAntilles | slaps andre__ with a pile of PC pronouns. |
| 11:22.36 | andre__ | yeah, the stacktrace is BS |
| 11:22.39 | timeless_mbp | andre__: that bug should be INVALID/WORKSFORME |
| 11:22.46 | andre__ | INCOMPLETE, yeah |
| 11:23.02 | andre__ | done :-P |
| 11:23.08 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: yep, i know |
| 11:23.19 | timeless_mbp | the latter happens most often, by far |
| 11:23.35 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, the PC pronoun syndrom seems really bad in non-native speakers. |
| 11:23.40 | timeless_mbp | the mozilla approach is imo better |
| 11:24.34 | timeless_mbp | we let people send crash reports |
| 11:24.34 | timeless_mbp | and we let them have pointers to them |
| 11:24.34 | timeless_mbp | and if someone *wants* to try to hunt down a crash, they can try |
| 11:24.36 | andre__ | wonders but is thankful for the pile |
| 11:24.38 | andre__ | because i said "her" instead of "him"? |
| 11:24.40 | andre__ | :-P |
| 11:24.40 | timeless_mbp | otherwise, on the aggregate, we'll catch the common bugs |
| 11:24.59 | timeless_mbp | herself |
| 11:25.07 | timeless_mbp | is just awful |
| 11:25.16 | timeless_mbp | but clearly i'm desensitized |
| 11:25.32 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, just drop the pronoun in that case. |
| 11:25.33 | andre__ | i don't really care either. i could also write himself. shrug |
| 11:25.41 | timeless_mbp | i wouldn't use either |
| 11:25.48 | GeneralAntilles | and use something gender-neutral like themselves |
| 11:26.01 | andre__ | workarounds for problems i don't recognize as problems... |
| 11:26.04 | GeneralAntilles | Grammarians will bitch at you but normal people will appreciate not having to read PC insanity. |
| 11:26.43 | andre__ | i've never cared about PC, but i can still choose randomly from himself/herself/whatever when i write, right? :-) |
| 11:27.13 | Myrtti | themselves ♥ |
| 11:27.34 | timeless_mbp | not if you want us to smile at you :) |
| 11:27.48 | timeless_mbp | you can just blame users |
| 11:27.53 | timeless_mbp | no need for a pronoun |
| 11:28.25 | andre__ | smile? naah, i need my daily amount of hatemail to be happy. smile if you want, but i don't care ;-) |
| 11:30.03 | timeless_mbp | curses |
| 11:30.11 | timeless_mbp | i have a single 300gb drive |
| 11:30.18 | timeless_mbp | it has a single 30gb partition |
| 11:30.23 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, just wait for the Molotovs. :P |
| 11:30.43 | timeless_mbp | and i have no way to easily create an unformatted 270gb (yes, whatever's left, i don't care about accuracy in numbers) partition |
| 11:32.15 | GeneralAntilles | Why not? |
| 11:32.46 | Stskeeps | sfdisk or similar? :P |
| 11:33.31 | aquatix | timeless_mbp: cfdisk? |
| 11:33.39 | timeless_mbp | on osx? |
| 11:33.41 | aquatix | gparted? |
| 11:33.42 | aquatix | :) |
| 11:33.48 | aquatix | hmn |
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| 11:33.59 | tekojo | GeneralAntilles: How did we (SDK team) cause you discomfort this time |
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| 11:35.29 | GeneralAntilles | tekojo, several ways after a half-dozen failed attempts at installing the alpha release, the 4.1 release and the VMWare release. |
| 11:35.41 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: not counting any bad English you had to read? :) |
| 11:36.13 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, fortunately I fixed most of the bad English in the Fremantle release notes myself. :P |
| 11:37.25 | tekojo | GeneralAntilles: We should give you a prize for trying hard :-) |
| 11:37.54 | GeneralAntilles | tekojo, I bet an RX-51 would go a long way to healing all wounds. :P |
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| 11:38.09 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: well, maybe |
| 11:38.18 | timeless_mbp | but it'll probably give you typhoid fever |
| 11:38.41 | tekojo | GeneralAntilles: But you have something set up now? |
| 11:38.47 | GeneralAntilles | tekojo, no. |
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| 11:40.00 | tekojo | GeneralAntilles: Sounds like you need some help, care to open a ticket or write a mail? |
| 11:40.07 | GeneralAntilles | I'll probably move on to an older VMWare release as soon as I feel like spending another 2 hours waiting on the tablets-dev server |
| 11:40.24 | GeneralAntilles | If you want to make me happy, figure out how to fix https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4210 |
| 11:40.30 | GeneralAntilles | I'll fix https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4238 as a sign of good will. :P |
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| 11:43.18 | tekojo | GeneralAntilles: Anything to let Marcell do his real job :-) |
| 11:43.20 | timelE61i | aWw g |
| 11:43.35 | timelE61i | my mac killed its screen again |
| 11:43.38 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Did you use fakeroot for that 4210 one? |
| 11:43.58 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Or try to use ;) |
| 11:43.58 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, maybe, but it failed that way at the end of the SDK installation script, so. . . . |
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| 11:46.11 | GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, what, did it send a voltage spike down the DVI cable to be spiteful? |
| 11:49.01 | timelE61i | Dunno |
| 11:49.19 | timelE61i | It might be in a reboot loop nowe |
| 11:49.42 | aquatix | the mac? or the monitor? |
| 11:49.59 | aquatix | *booting monitor, please hang on* |
| 11:51.07 | GeneralAntilles | aquatix, hey, that's a thing! |
| 11:51.35 | GeneralAntilles | I've used an Acer 15" that spends about 15 seconds on an Acer splash screen when you first turn it on. |
| 11:51.46 | aquatix | ah yes, gotta hate that |
| 11:52.20 | aquatix | 15 seconds is rather long though |
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| 12:02.43 | glass | GeneralAntilles: my asus does that sometimes too when it's scanning through usb drives which are connected for some reason |
| 12:02.59 | glass | GeneralAntilles: turned off the asus splashscreen with it's annoying sound though to see the actual boot process.. |
| 12:08.34 | GeneralAntilles | OK, I think this is read: http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/repository.maemo.org.html Any more comments or notes? |
| 12:09.12 | GeneralAntilles | s/read/ready/ |
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| 12:15.58 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, ping? |
| 12:16.35 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Yep |
| 12:16.46 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, where should the .installs go on r.m.o? |
| 12:17.12 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: How do you mean? |
| 12:17.34 | GeneralAntilles | Just repository.maemo.org/extras.install or what? |
| 12:18.09 | X-Fade | Why would you want that? |
| 12:18.22 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/repository.maemo.org.html |
| 12:18.31 | GeneralAntilles | Unless you just want to link to the ones on Garage. |
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| 12:22.49 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Maybe http://repository.maemo.org/extras/install/extras.install is better? |
| 12:23.04 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, dunno, is it? :P |
| 12:23.07 | X-Fade | As that is our namespace.. |
| 12:23.15 | _|Nix|_ | Hi! Does anyone else have NAT modules for Chinook or Diablo aside from http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/770/ ? I can't get the MASQUERADEing to work with those modules, even though it worked perfectly with the ipt_nat-3.2007.10-7 modules and an N800 running OS2007. |
| 12:23.19 | X-Fade | As the sdk lives in the root. |
| 12:23.32 | GeneralAntilles | I also need to put up a .install for the Diablo Tools repo. |
| 12:23.57 | X-Fade | Hmm true. |
| 12:24.05 | GeneralAntilles | tekojo, have you seen http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/repository.maemo.org.html ? |
| 12:24.34 | tekojo | X-Fade: that must be your favourite url :-) |
| 12:24.53 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: You'd have to ask marcell how the filesytstem structure looks there. I don't have access to that server. |
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| 12:25.35 | X-Fade | tekojo: To be honest, I'd really like adding repositories to be as painful as possible ;) |
| 12:25.45 | GeneralAntilles | Knives. |
| 12:25.52 | tekojo | GeneralAntilles: :-) |
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| 12:28.34 | Stskeeps | mm, any interesting armv4t devices to put hildon interface on? (besides the freerunner) |
| 12:29.14 | lcuk | whats the minimum runnable res for hildon |
| 12:29.14 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, what's the Extras repository called on Fremantle? |
| 12:29.33 | Stskeeps | lcuk: good question, - 480x640 is managable in our theme at least |
| 12:29.37 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, arguably 800x480 with no additional modification. |
| 12:29.39 | GeneralAntilles | s |
| 12:30.03 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Extras? :) |
| 12:30.04 | lcuk | gen thats only the maemo branch, i hink work upstream has cured a lot of those ills :P |
| 12:30.24 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, Maemo is Hildon upstream. |
| 12:30.44 | lcuk | so everything starts here? i thought it was elsewhere |
| 12:31.14 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, I guess we'll need to use a separate .install for Fremantle, then. |
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| 12:31.40 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: It will not be different from diablo etc? |
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| 12:32.40 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, I guess it doesn't really matter if it's just Extras-devel for the time being, but if we want h-a-m to activate the pre-existing Extras catalogue entry it's got to have a matching name in the .install |
| 12:32.47 | GeneralAntilles | Otherwise it'll just add a new catalogue entry. |
| 12:33.12 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Ah, yes, well we'd need to ask Richard or Marius. |
| 12:34.19 | X-Fade | As application manager seems to have hidden behind the curtain again, we can't just check the current source. |
| 12:34.31 | GeneralAntilles | grumbles. |
| 12:34.52 | X-Fade | Last update here has been a while: http://gitorious.org/projects/hildon-application-manager/repos/mainline |
| 12:35.18 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: i think there's a newer version in fremantle SDK |
| 12:35.39 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Hmm indeed, that can give us a hint.. |
| 12:35.54 | GeneralAntilles | "open" development |
| 12:36.23 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: well, much can be said but at least we've gotten 3 code drops so far |
| 12:36.39 | Stskeeps | and there's still a long range of stuff on stage. svn |
| 12:39.32 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: only the doc/install.txt talks about extras. |
| 12:39.33 | X-Fade | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:39.33 | X-Fade | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:40.37 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, well, Nokians may just have to suffer with inconsistently named repositories until they give us real information. |
| 12:41.08 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I'll ping them to see if something changed. |
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| 12:45.00 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, alterego. |
| 12:45.14 | alterego | Good afternoon, how're you this fine day? |
| 12:45.20 | GeneralAntilles | OK, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4240 |
| 12:45.23 | GeneralAntilles | Excellent! Yourself? |
| 12:45.50 | alterego | I'm good :) |
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| 12:48.11 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Ok, mail sent. Let's see. |
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| 12:54.12 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Interesting: hildon-application-manager-merge-catalogues.cc |
| 12:55.18 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, from the Fremantle repo? |
| 12:55.18 | X-Fade | Yep that version. |
| 12:56.05 | GeneralAntilles | Indeed. |
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| 12:56.23 | X-Fade | So it seems that name isn't looked at anymore ;) |
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| 13:43.21 | Shadow__X | hmm |
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| 14:52.21 | Stskeeps | ok, http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-ui4.png |
| 14:52.26 | Stskeeps | good/bad way to signal current application? |
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| 15:01.25 | lcuk | Stskeeps, signal current application? you mean highlight which is ontop? |
| 15:01.36 | lcuk | or am i missing some other subtle ui clue |
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| 15:36.37 | oilinki | good evening |
| 15:36.47 | lardman | hi oilinki |
| 15:37.17 | oilinki | lardman: hi, how are things going? |
| 15:38.26 | lardman | not too bad, busy though; you? |
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| 15:39.04 | oilinki | lardman: too many things to be done and too lazy to do anything without real need.. quite the normal :) |
| 15:39.15 | lardman | lol |
| 15:39.43 | lardman | I just got a final-chance order email from openpandora, and had a momentary lapse and thought I'd just go for it |
| 15:40.06 | Stskeeps | lcuk: it show the current app |
| 15:40.08 | lardman | but then I saw that they reckon another 25 days for keymat production, then another 35 or so for case, etc., etc |
| 15:41.15 | GAN800 | lol |
| 15:41.34 | oilinki | lardman: to be a bit slow have it's advantages as well. there will be many 'must have' products for an moment.. which will not be the same after couple of nights good sleep. |
| 15:41.41 | GAN800 | lardman, what you didn't notice is that they've put you down for 10 of them. :P |
| 15:41.50 | keesj | lardman: but there are so many other nice devices |
| 15:41.58 | lardman | GAN800: they don't have my details |
| 15:42.10 | lardman | GAN800: it was only a momentary lapse, then reality kicked back in |
| 15:42.18 | Stskeeps | "ooh, gadget" |
| 15:42.18 | GAN800 | lardman, that's what you think. :P |
| 15:42.37 | lardman | GAN800: takes me longer than a moment to work out my bank details, so I'm protected there ;) |
| 15:42.42 | oilinki | I have been out of the maemo knowledgezone for an while. is maemo still on 2008 version or is there something new already out? |
| 15:43.06 | lardman | Stskeeps: well I think it looked cool before, and still does, I just thought they had got cracking with it; ah well |
| 15:43.12 | hooey | How do you find the rootstrap in Scratchbox 2? |
| 15:43.21 | GAN800 | oilinki, Fremantle alpha |
| 15:44.27 | oilinki | GAN800: thanks for the info. is that usable stable already? |
| 15:44.50 | GAN800 | oilinki, well, it's not feature complete |
| 15:45.19 | lardman | argh, I've lost the remote for a little RC submarine, will have to go and find a crystal now and hope it works |
| 15:45.41 | GAN800 | Aw, poor lardman can't play in the bath anymore. :( |
| 15:45.53 | lardman | ultrasonic C-scan tank I was thinking |
| 15:46.00 | qwerty12 | Nothing beats a rubber duck! :P |
| 15:46.02 | oilinki | GAN800: ok. better to stay with the current version still. |
| 15:46.11 | hooey | How do you get the current target in Scratchbox 2? |
| 15:46.22 | hooey | In sb1 you would call `sb-conf current` |
| 15:46.22 | GAN800 | qwerty12, except for rock |
| 15:46.28 | GAN800 | rock beats rubber duckie |
| 15:46.29 | qwerty12 | lol |
| 15:46.38 | oilinki | any new rumors of maemo with gsm/3g? |
| 15:46.41 | Stskeeps | oilinki: well, fremantle won't show up for n8x0s |
| 15:46.49 | Stskeeps | oilinki: yes, next version will (definately) have hsdpa data |
| 15:47.28 | oilinki | Stskeeps: that's a good news. with normal call features as well? |
| 15:47.41 | GAN800 | Unknown |
| 15:47.56 | Stskeeps | oilinki: unknown as of yet, there's obviously rumours, but noone says it'll be next device |
| 15:48.06 | Stskeeps | as fremantle probably could support a flurry of devices |
| 15:48.58 | lardman | GAN800: have the new council members yielded to your iron chairemperor's will; I guess you'll need to use the Force and have them vote you back in? ;) |
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| 15:49.22 | hooey | Do you guys seriously not know how to do `sb-conf current` in sb2? |
| 15:49.37 | GAN800 | lardman, Jaffa stole my super powers! |
| 15:49.37 | Stskeeps | hooey: well sb2 has "default target" instead |
| 15:49.51 | lardman | GAN800: ah, I see he's kept quiet about that one :) |
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| 15:51.38 | hooey | Stskeeps: What do you mean? |
| 15:51.52 | hooey | Stskeeps: I need to get the string name of the target... |
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| 15:52.50 | Stskeeps | sb2-config -L - |
| 15:53.50 | hooey | Stskeeps: Is there a better way to do that a la `sb-conf current`? |
| 15:53.59 | Stskeeps | hooey: no idea really, not a sb2 developer |
| 15:54.08 | Stskeeps | each time i use it i feel like throwing a fit :P |
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| 15:56.11 | hooey | Stskeeps: There has to be a way to do this, this is retarded. |
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| 15:59.00 | Stskeeps | hooey: i'm starting to really adore the thought of opensuse build service |
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| 16:02.16 | hooey | Stskeeps: What's that? |
| 16:03.03 | Stskeeps | hooey: they basically have made a scratchbox where they fixed the user mode emulation first, so it completely emulates arm binaries on x86, and -then- accelerating with some i386 packages (binutils, m4, gcc cross compiler) |
| 16:03.14 | hooey | Stskeeps: Nice. |
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| 16:05.16 | matmo | is there such a thing as a list of packages/libs installed as default for Diablo? |
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| 16:07.05 | mib_cofqygkd | looking for discussion over SOC projects.... |
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| 16:08.52 | Stskeeps | that'd be here, sometimes :P |
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| 16:09.09 | Stskeeps | 'lo wazd |
| 16:09.18 | wazd | hey everybody |
| 16:09.31 | Stskeeps | wazd: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-ui4-novm.png |
| 16:09.34 | Stskeeps | getting the things right atm |
| 16:09.44 | mib_cofqygkd | any mentors on the list? |
| 16:09.58 | mib_cofqygkd | need some assitance |
| 16:10.08 | lcuk | matmo, yes there is a full list somewhere on the machine |
| 16:10.12 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, hi |
| 16:10.12 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, you recently replaced cx3110x-module-src source archive on r.m.t.o, right? |
| 16:10.20 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: did i? |
| 16:10.32 | keesj | why did they not roll out WiMax one year ago in amsterdam and only now |
| 16:10.47 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, err... it now has patches/deblet-cx3110x.patch inside |
| 16:10.54 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: 16 december |
| 16:10.56 | wazd | Stskeeps: nice) |
| 16:10.57 | hooey | Stskeeps: maemo-sdk show rootstrap |
| 16:11.02 | Stskeeps | hooey: ah |
| 16:11.02 | X-Fade | keesj: Different frequency? |
| 16:11.09 | wazd | Stskeeps: but I reall don't like "mer" icon look |
| 16:11.14 | mib_cofqygkd | I think I am at wrong place.... |
| 16:11.21 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, is it (patch) applied already? |
| 16:11.36 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: honestly, i don't recall |
| 16:11.43 | matmo | lcuk: happen to know where? and would it exclude everything I have installed myself? I thought maybe there would be a file on a maemo site somewhere. |
| 16:11.45 | Stskeeps | wazd: it's 48x48 now |
| 16:11.46 | wazd | Stskeeps: Maybe you can make it to be some fixed size so I can draw proper icon? |
| 16:11.55 | wazd | Stskeeps: ok |
| 16:12.19 | Stskeeps | you don't happen to have it in SVG do you? |
| 16:12.21 | keesj | I don't know yet but I guess a n810 Wimax edition would have made more sense to me back then |
| 16:12.21 | lcuk | matmo, there probably is a list somewhere, but theres a definitive list on your actual machine fully datestamped as to when it was built |
| 16:12.30 | lcuk | you can see the order things are installed and everything :) |
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| 16:12.58 | matmo | lcuk: ok, thanks, I will do a bit of digging |
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| 16:13.15 | Stskeeps | wazd: besides that, it should be possible to edit things a little better soon :) |
| 16:13.24 | Stskeeps | this theme is modifyable |
| 16:13.33 | Stskeeps | including the icons |
| 16:14.00 | wazd | last.fm blocked third-party apps( |
| 16:14.13 | X-Fade | wazd: Listening to it right now. |
| 16:14.20 | wazd | I wonder what Vagalume would do |
| 16:14.21 | X-Fade | wazd: Through vagalume. |
| 16:14.26 | wazd | X-Fade: aw |
| 16:14.44 | wazd | X-Fade: maybe last.fm guys like opensource)) |
| 16:14.49 | X-Fade | Vagalume was updated last week orso to fix some streaming issue. |
| 16:15.01 | wazd | http://i.gizmodo.com/5183443/lastfm-silences-third+party-mobile-apps |
| 16:15.07 | Stskeeps | wazd: well they do originate from audioscrobbler so |
| 16:16.16 | wazd | Stskeeps: aw! |
| 16:16.20 | wazd | Stskeeps: btw! |
| 16:16.29 | wazd | Stskeeps: I almost forgot) |
| 16:16.48 | wazd | Stskeeps: I have some cool Idea bout Mer :) |
| 16:16.56 | Stskeeps | hehe, go ahead |
| 16:17.05 | wazd | Stskeeps: but I have to restart now, new X-Fi drivers came in) |
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| 16:17.09 | Stskeeps | alright |
| 16:19.16 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: so, i've gotten most of this stuff working :) |
| 16:19.43 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: alright - the ui stuff or which? |
| 16:19.47 | slonopotamus | hehe MAFW |
| 16:19.49 | timeless_mbp | w7 :) |
| 16:20.08 | timeless_mbp | OSX hosting ZFS + VirtualBox hosting w7 |
| 16:20.10 | slonopotamus | gstreamer, phonon, esd... too few? |
| 16:20.22 | lcuk | matmo, qwerty12 once nicely told me to look here: /var/lib/dpkg/info/<package>.list each package has a .list file :) |
| 16:20.24 | Stskeeps | w7? |
| 16:20.28 | lcuk | they have a nice datestamp |
| 16:20.33 | timeless_mbp | mer mostly works, except the vpn got broken |
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| 16:20.40 | timeless_mbp | someone suggested i downgrade |
| 16:20.50 | Stskeeps | yeah, there's probably some jaunty issues |
| 16:22.40 | matmo | lcuk: hey thanks! Looks promising :-) |
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| 17:11.54 | dob | I'm getting "Exit reason and status: signal 9" whenever I run sb2 with the -e option. What can be done? (I've compiled it for amd64) |
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| 17:21.42 | qnr | Hi. For some reason, on my N800, I no longer get "recommendations" as I enter words with the stylus. Anyone know what I might have inadvertantly turned off? |
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| 17:24.10 | till- | qnr check the text input field in the options |
| 17:24.36 | till- | on the tab "languages" are options for the selected dictionary |
| 17:25.14 | till- | and by clicking on that button you should find the switch |
| 17:27.47 | matmo_ | hmmm. how to get a directory listing showing full date including year? |
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| 17:28.17 | till- | ls -la ? |
| 17:28.51 | matmo_ | nope, doesn't show year |
| 17:29.41 | till- | on ubuntu it does .. strange |
| 17:29.58 | matmo_ | busybox on maemo |
| 17:30.03 | qwerty12 | But Ubuntu has proper coreutils ls, not the shitty busybox one :) |
| 17:30.24 | lcuk | qnr, control panel text/keyboard/regional settings ish - cant remember exact one but theres ticks for word completion and other stuff like that |
| 17:30.33 | qwerty12 | That said, color-ls here: http://www.nitapps.com/ is nice |
| 17:30.39 | lcuk | isnt near a tablet to tell you specifically |
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| 17:32.25 | qnr | till-, thanks. No idea how that was turned off. |
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| 17:34.01 | till- | matmo_ try ls -e |
| 17:34.14 | qnr | lcuk, thank you. I guess I didn't dig deep enough, didn't expect it to be related to "regional" settings |
| 17:34.31 | till- | matmo_ http://www.busybox.net/downloads/BusyBox.html |
| 17:34.53 | matmo_ | terminal only seems to show the year if not the current one (no options for setting format) |
| 17:35.33 | till- | well. ls -le |
| 17:35.42 | matmo_ | till-: thanks, "ls -le" does the trick |
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| 17:39.33 | VDVsx | hello :) |
| 17:40.45 | TrueJournals | Hello |
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| 17:47.07 | joyrider | a quick question do i need to generate a ssh key for the maemo extra's (dev) repos when i'm going to use the "Maemo Extras Assistant" ? or can i leave the fields blank |
| 17:49.18 | joyrider | k seems wiki is not up to date can't leave em blank :x |
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| 17:55.02 | wazd | I'm back |
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| 18:15.34 | Jaffa | joyrideer: talk to X-Fade, I thoughnt thnat had been fixed |
| 18:21.19 | joyrider | well i just created a key and putted that in but for the extra's assistant itself one doesn't need a key |
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| 18:25.09 | geoaxis | any startrek fans, i have a trekkie idea for maemo |
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| 18:25.21 | joyrider | i kinda like startrek :) |
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| 18:25.45 | geoaxis | i actually wanted to build this for a long time ...a general purpose voice controlled assistant |
| 18:26.36 | geoaxis | how would you like to say "tablet, how far am i from my home" and based on GPS readings it responds "blah kms" |
| 18:27.17 | geoaxis | or you could as your tablet to check your schedule and if its free on sunday afternoon, fill it in with a lunch meeting |
| 18:27.19 | ShadowJK | Well there's one huge challenge and one big challenge in there. The huge one is making an AI that can understand questions. Good luck |
| 18:27.46 | geoaxis | ShadowJK: i am taking cue from Controlled English |
| 18:27.54 | ShadowJK | The other challenge is finding/making a voice recognition package that actually recognizes words without teaching |
| 18:28.04 | ShadowJK | or hell, even with teaching |
| 18:28.20 | geoaxis | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempto_Controlled_English |
| 18:28.51 | derf | And fitting it in the computational budget of a tablet. |
| 18:29.27 | geoaxis | derf: yeah that would be a problem ..but i was thinking in very limited command sets |
| 18:29.28 | ShadowJK | ... and without blowing away batterylife :) |
| 18:29.42 | geoaxis | some thing which for example a driver would ask while driving |
| 18:29.54 | derf | Well, you can do that, and it has in fact been done. |
| 18:30.14 | geoaxis | derf: which app ? |
| 18:30.21 | derf | Nothing open source. |
| 18:30.40 | derf | Though there may be open source speech applications you can start from. |
| 18:31.14 | derf | The basic technology is fairly well-understood. It's still a lot of work to get going. |
| 18:32.39 | geoaxis | derf: some thing which could fit in a 2 month schedule |
| 18:32.45 | derf | Haha, no. |
| 18:32.50 | derf | Try a five year schedule. |
| 18:33.14 | derf | And that assumes you know what you're doing when you start. |
| 18:33.27 | lcuk | technically the right person with a pre-baked plan could implement it in 2 months, but thats nto the question |
| 18:33.41 | Atrus6 | Well, isn't that something like today GPS that have voice command? |
| 18:33.45 | Atrus6 | Just a bit more general? |
| 18:33.53 | geoaxis | lcuk: you mean ..how useable would it be in reality? |
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| 18:34.20 | lcuk | geoaxis, only the person with the vision to write the library and implement it would know that |
| 18:34.37 | lcuk | its certainly not the kind of thing you could just pickup from a textbook |
| 18:36.29 | geoaxis | derf: i also thought of a client/server model for this..where bigger computation could be offloaded to a server if its available |
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| 18:37.50 | derf | geoaxis: That might be feasible, but you're talking probably 48-64 kbps of data, which is still a lot. |
| 18:38.26 | ShadowJK | assuming voice recognition stuff still works after the voice gets butchered by compression? |
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| 18:39.01 | derf | ShadowJK: 48-64 kbps should get you plenty of quality for speech. |
| 18:39.17 | derf | If you really want to butcher it, you could go as low as 8kbps. |
| 18:39.48 | geoaxis | derf: well i was thinking more like intermediate voice recognition |
| 18:40.05 | geoaxis | and offloading the bigger work (of making sense of it and other computations) |
| 18:42.55 | derf | geoaxis: Cepstral coefficients would be ~100 kbps. |
| 18:43.34 | derf | That's uncompressed... clearly you could do better by compressing them, but I don't know of anyone who's tried, whereas there's off-the-shelf things you can use for the audio itself. |
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| 19:14.58 | qole_pb-blog_028 | interesting... logged on to maemo channel via PenguinBait's blog... |
| 19:15.06 | Stskeeps | yeah, we get a lot of loonies from there |
| 19:15.47 | qole_pb-blog_028 | heheh including me! |
| 19:15.59 | Stskeeps | never said that ;) |
| 19:16.22 | qole_pb-blog_028 | no I distinctly remember typing it myself :D |
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| 19:17.54 | qole_pb-blog_028 | I can see the problem with having an easy gate to the IRC |
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| 19:19.03 | Stskeeps | nah, i don't mind the easy gate - it's when it's hard to 1) tell the users apart and 2) that there seems to be some mindset amongst troublemakers that if they make trouble once, they come back again and again, not realizing they can just be /ignore'd :P |
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| 19:19.59 | Stskeeps | i'm a proponent of being able to apply electric shocks through the internet, would make the world a better place |
| 19:20.02 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:20.41 | qole_pb-blog_028 | No, because someone would find a way to use it for porn |
| 19:21.04 | Stskeeps | and? ;) |
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| 19:21.10 | Stskeeps | besides that, congrats on the council spot |
| 19:22.10 | qole_pb-blog_028 | Stskeeps, what do you think I should do now? |
| 19:22.32 | Stskeeps | qole_pb-blog_028: enjoy the minibar in the council lounge, possibly |
| 19:22.47 | qole_pb-blog_028 | hahahahaha |
| 19:23.30 | Stskeeps | but anyway, i was happy to see that there is a majority in the council who thinks a community is about practising something as a community |
| 19:23.59 | Stskeeps | without an active community in terms of code/artwork/handy work on wiki/whatever, the community isn't anything |
| 19:24.07 | qole_pb-blog_028 | I'm trying to figure out what extra things I should be doing as a Councillor. There's been no "initiation into the Council Secrets" ceremony or anything |
| 19:24.59 | Stskeeps | ah, such as "the coordinates for the storage house we locked up darius at" |
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| 19:25.35 | qole_pb-blog_028 | Or the release dates for the new devices :D |
| 19:26.01 | Stskeeps | i believe we'll probably have rx-51's by my birthday |
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| 19:26.32 | Stskeeps | announcements before, maybe, but yeah |
| 19:26.48 | Stskeeps | but that's a totally uneducated guess :) |
| 19:27.23 | qole_pb-blog_028 | checks Stskeep's ITT profile, but no birthdate |
| 19:27.46 | Stskeeps | ah, mid-july |
| 19:27.50 | qole_pb-blog_028 | hmm, Stskeeps' not Stskeep's |
| 19:29.17 | Stskeeps | but anyway - from mer POV i would like to know what the future role of the council should be in the mer projet - as mer is a maemo community project |
| 19:29.53 | Stskeeps | there seems to be support within the project for it, and to have the council have something besides the maemo.org site to rule over.. ;) |
| 19:29.58 | qole_pb-blog_028 | I'm sticking to my prediction that RX-51 will be available by late June |
| 19:30.03 | Stskeeps | within the project = within the community |
| 19:31.30 | qole_pb-blog_028 | I definitely think that the council should be Mer advocates, but since I don't have any idea what the Council is supposed to do (in a formal sense) I can't comment on what formal role the Council should have in Mer. |
| 19:32.02 | Stskeeps | well, if the project grows more there's bound to be some organisational stuff :P |
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| 19:33.01 | Stskeeps | (i don't see Mer as 'just' a backport project. i see it as a potential consumer grade system and research OS) :P |
| 19:33.07 | qole_pb-blog_028 | So far, everyone I've asked has said that my role is to pay attention to all of the community channels (mailing lists, ITT, IRC) and help out where I can... play it by ear, mainly |
| 19:34.24 | qole_pb-blog_028 | I see Mer as a kind of Fedora to Maemo's Redhat; an unfettered community version of the "corporate" distribution |
| 19:34.38 | Stskeeps | well, i thought initially council was supposed also to be an "interface" to nokia for instance to push community issues |
| 19:35.10 | qole_pb-blog_028 | Yes, but what exactly does that mean? Nobody's sure ;) |
| 19:36.04 | qole_pb-blog_028 | I bet Mer will be a viable alternative on MIDs and things like the new Asus touch-screen computer |
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| 19:37.53 | Stskeeps | yeah, we'll see where it leads |
| 19:38.26 | qole_pb-blog_028 | Ah, its called the Asus Eee Top |
| 19:38.54 | Stskeeps | i personally want to see a wide market of low-cost tablets all shapes and sizes :P |
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| 19:39.40 | qole_pb-blog_028 | has to go eat some lunch.... |
| 19:39.42 | Stskeeps | cya |
| 19:40.07 | RST38h | moos |
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| 19:41.18 | Stskeeps | moo |
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| 19:48.37 | th3void | hello |
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| 19:57.23 | th3void | 308 users and no coonversation....sad |
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| 19:58.14 | till- | start one :) |
| 19:58.29 | joyrider | beautifull weather aint it :) |
| 19:58.40 | till- | we hat snow today |
| 19:58.46 | joyrider | really ? |
| 19:58.59 | cmug | We have 30cm snow in the ground |
| 19:59.05 | till- | yes, when i woke up everything was white |
| 19:59.11 | till- | but melted during the day |
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| 20:01.14 | VDVsx | we have 25C now, and is almost night :P |
| 20:01.49 | till- | we had about 10C during the weekend |
| 20:02.48 | th3void | its about 24 deg c outside, partly cloudy |
| 20:03.13 | till- | where are you from? |
| 20:03.34 | th3void | florida |
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| 20:07.43 | MangoFusion | anyone here got any experience with "dead" NIT's? |
| 20:07.57 | joyrider | hmm they can be bricked ? |
| 20:08.49 | Atrus6 | NIT? |
| 20:08.54 | MangoFusion | i left NITDroid running on my N800 and it appears to be completely dead |
| 20:08.57 | joyrider | nokia internet tablet |
| 20:09.15 | Stskeeps | MangoFusion: you probably need to leave it trying to charge for a while. if you have another battery that's full, use this, and flash to newest image. |
| 20:09.19 | Atrus6 | Oh. |
| 20:09.23 | VDVsx | MangoFusion, did you removed the battery ? |
| 20:09.46 | MangoFusion | yes i tried removing battery, turning on again, etc but doesn't seem to work |
| 20:10.06 | till- | my first n800 had the problem that it wouldn't turn on |
| 20:10.06 | MangoFusion | should i leave it "charging" perhaps? |
| 20:10.34 | till- | unless i left the charger plugged in for 1-2 days |
| 20:11.14 | VDVsx | MangoFusion, mine died one time, but was my fault, a full flash resolved the problem :p |
| 20:11.41 | MangoFusion | can't quite flash it if i can't turn it on :( |
| 20:11.56 | MangoFusion | aja |
| 20:11.58 | till- | did it work before? |
| 20:12.02 | MangoFusion | its alive |
| 20:12.04 | joyrider | do you see the "charging screen" if you plug in the adapater |
| 20:12.16 | joyrider | adaptor even |
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| 20:12.28 | MangoFusion | plugged the battery in again and seems to be starting again now 0_0 |
| 20:12.36 | joyrider | ah :) |
| 20:12.54 | MangoFusion | thanks for the suggestions |
| 20:13.08 | MangoFusion | now i shall erase this POS NITDroid ;) |
| 20:13.55 | joyrider | btw isn't it so that the nit's can't be bricked ? since you can always do a full reflash or is it possible to brick that as well |
| 20:14.24 | till- | afaik you can always reflash |
| 20:14.31 | till- | unless it's a hardware mailfunction of course |
| 20:14.32 | qwerty12_N800 | echo lcjhsguef > /dev/mtd0 |
| 20:14.33 | MangoFusion | i've flashed a few times for various reasons, never had any permanent problems |
| 20:14.50 | joyrider | ah ok thought so good to know :) |
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| 20:15.28 | jeremiah_ | Hmmm, getting "white screen of death' here. |
| 20:15.34 | MangoFusion | you'd pretty much have to flush it down the toilet or something |
| 20:15.47 | MangoFusion | before you started having real problems ;) |
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| 20:16.09 | till- | or get a bad device :) |
| 20:16.22 | MangoFusion | or that |
| 20:16.22 | MangoFusion | haha |
| 20:16.35 | till- | got mine replaced for free |
| 20:17.01 | jeremiah_ | Well, mine has just seized up and will not boot |
| 20:17.35 | jeremiah_ | I wish it showed the boot messages like linux booting did, then I would have a way to know what was wrong. |
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| 20:18.08 | qwerty12_N800 | it can be setup to do that, up to the point where the xserver starts |
| 20:18.46 | MangoFusion | i'd rather it just booted up faster :D |
| 20:19.29 | qwerty12_N800 | when i was using upstart, the boot times were much better but it hung on shutdown >.< |
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| 20:19.50 | Atrus6 | Shut downs easy, just pull the battery |
| 20:20.19 | fabricio_ | Hi everybody |
| 20:20.28 | Atrus6 | Hello |
| 20:20.28 | qwerty12_N800 | Haha, that's actually true for many of my 'shutdowns' |
| 20:20.34 | jeremiah_ | Is there an alternative boot method? Holding down some key or something? |
| 20:20.47 | jeremiah_ | I cannot get past the splash screen |
| 20:21.05 | qwerty12_N800 | Splash screen with the hands? |
| 20:21.27 | jeremiah_ | qwerty12_N800: No, the splash screen with the blue bar. :) |
| 20:22.06 | qwerty12_N800 | Got an ext2 partition on a spare card somewhere? |
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| 20:22.14 | fabricio_ | Can anybody help to solve this http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/read/79cd7b3c197111deac3739e9883e5be45be4/ |
| 20:22.21 | jeremiah_ | qwerty12_N800: Hmm, I don't think so. :/ |
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| 20:23.11 | qwerty12_N800 | Well, it's either that or having bootmenu installed :) |
| 20:23.51 | qwerty12_N800 | Which, is a little tricky to do outside a non working Maemo install |
| 20:23.58 | jeremiah_ | yep |
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| 20:24.08 | qwerty12_N800 | s/,// |
| 20:25.03 | qwerty12_N800 | Have you tried powering it up by plugging in the charger by any chance? |
| 20:26.33 | VDVsx | fabricio_, this command works for you -> af-sb-init.sh start ? |
| 20:29.10 | fabricio_ | yes |
| 20:29.34 | VDVsx | so you have hildon-home, I guess :P |
| 20:30.12 | fabricio_ | I can see the Maemo window on Xephyr window |
| 20:30.36 | fabricio_ | No =[ |
| 20:31.00 | fabricio_ | But the installation message was |
| 20:31.15 | fabricio_ | "success" |
| 20:32.17 | fabricio_ | I am trying to start the process and run any maemosdk5 example |
| 20:32.18 | lcuk | adds "wii repair" to list of things never to attempt again |
| 20:32.47 | jeremiah_ | qwerty12_N800: Yeah, I just got the charger and plugged it in, rebooted, just the blue bar screen |
| 20:33.05 | jeremiah_ | Going to start with the network (USB) cable plugged in |
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| 20:35.11 | VDVsx | fabricio_, well, you can start the Xephyr window, export the display and run "af-sb-init.sh start", and we will see what happens :P |
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| 20:40.09 | lbt | lcuk: what happened? |
| 20:41.52 | Proteous | I got a little red wagon |
| 20:42.29 | lcuk | lbt, 2 years of the kids messing finally made it turn into a dvd eating machine |
| 20:42.48 | lcuk | everytime you put a disk in it said "om nom nom" |
| 20:43.16 | lbt | and taking it apart didn't help... |
| 20:44.12 | Razumihin | Have people been using some gtd system in maemo besides monkeyGTD? |
| 20:44.23 | Razumihin | Monkey is pretty good but god is it slow... |
| 20:44.48 | lcuk | lbt, actually it did - my screwdrivers arrived and i stripped it down and identified and rectified the problem |
| 20:45.27 | lcuk | and i managed to get it back together, but those damned little stickers covering over the screws make it look unsightly |
| 20:46.04 | lbt | but working wii ? |
| 20:47.44 | lcuk | yeah tis |
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| 20:48.10 | lcuk | and there was much rejoicing for 5 minutes |
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| 20:48.22 | lbt | hi gnuton |
| 20:48.32 | lbt | lcuk: and then... |
| 20:48.38 | thopiekar | hi all |
| 20:48.39 | lbt | hasnt' seen a soap for ages... |
| 20:48.46 | lcuk | :D |
| 20:48.48 | gnuton | lbt: hello David :D |
| 20:49.05 | gnuton | hello guys |
| 20:49.06 | jeremiah_ | Looks like I am going to have to flash the firmware. |
| 20:49.11 | thopiekar | hi gnuton |
| 20:49.38 | gnuton | hei thopiekar, lcuk, jeremiah_, .... |
| 20:49.40 | gnuton | :D |
| 20:49.40 | lcuk | then the house erupted in moans and complaints as tracy turned it off and put ice road truckers on... i got ear ache that i shouldnt have fixed it tonight and i had jake whining cos he wanted to play |
| 20:49.56 | thopiekar | :P |
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| 20:50.12 | lcuk | so now, i am never repairing the damned wii again |
| 20:50.21 | lbt | gnuton: ah, just saw the reply to Santtu ... good, glad you said that :) |
| 20:50.25 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: you just can't win :p |
| 20:50.30 | lbt | lcuk: heh |
| 20:50.31 | lcuk | no, i cant |
| 20:50.36 | qwerty12_N800 | hey gnuton |
| 20:50.44 | lcuk | hiya gnuton \o |
| 20:51.06 | lcuk | jeremiah_, you might need to a few times before you notice the warning signs ;) |
| 20:51.19 | lcuk | stay away from -devel repo and stick within the nokia bounds :P |
| 20:51.33 | gnuton | lbt: using the libosso is possible.. but it's insane.. |
| 20:51.38 | lbt | I was talking a few days ago to someone in #qt - a troll I think,... and he said we should put the dbus stuff into QSession IIRC |
| 20:51.45 | lbt | 100% agree!!! |
| 20:52.29 | gnuton | lbt: yes that's the right solution for the states.. |
| 20:52.37 | jeremiah_ | lcuk: What do you mean? |
| 20:52.47 | gnuton | lbt: there are a couple of things aroung D-Bus to do... in Qt. |
| 20:52.55 | qwerty12_N800 | Something more insane is pointing your service file to a shell script - h-d won't kill them... |
| 20:53.34 | gnuton | lbt: I cleaned a bit a my old code.. I hope to publish it soon. |
| 20:53.37 | lbt | (I'm hacking on the scroll stuff at the moment - I think the version is a bit fragile wrt scrollBars) |
| 20:53.40 | lbt | gnuton: good |
| 20:53.52 | lbt | I started the ossoInitialise() |
| 20:53.55 | lcuk | jeremiah_, joke re your brokenness :D |
| 20:54.01 | lbt | just to check the dbus messages |
| 20:54.06 | gnuton | lbt: cool :D |
| 20:54.13 | jeremiah_ | lcuk: ah. :) |
| 20:54.18 | lbt | Kimmo mentioned some others that I'd seen - mem_low |
| 20:54.20 | lbt | etc |
| 20:54.37 | jeremiah_ | I did not stick inside the nokia bounds, I downloaded things from -devel and that is when the trouble started |
| 20:54.41 | lbt | so I think we should get Nokia to spec what dbus messages to expect |
| 20:54.45 | lcuk | i actually like the sound of dbus, i might do something with it one day |
| 20:55.54 | lbt | lcuk: it is quite a nice system if you have a sane API |
| 20:55.54 | lcuk | jeremiah_, its the same with any system though, once you go off the beaten path etc |
| 20:55.54 | lcuk | yeah i was wondering how ipc was performed beyond sockets and kernel file links |
| 20:55.54 | lbt | Qt does some auto-exposure of your object methods/slots/signals if I read it right. |
| 20:55.58 | lbt | which is magicool |
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| 20:57.48 | jeremiah_ | true |
| 20:58.00 | jeremiah_ | Now nokia won't accept my WLAN number, sheesh |
| 20:59.21 | qwerty12_N800 | Google, you can actually find a lot of N810 MACs... |
| 20:59.57 | jeremiah_ | That's interesting, I thought I had the WiMax version, but I apparently don't. |
| 21:00.09 | jeremiah_ | It accepted a ordinary N810 WLAN id |
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| 21:04.31 | lcuk | jeremiah_, you are sure you have an n810 arent you, just check if theres a keyboard or not :P |
| 21:06.50 | jeremiah_ | heh |
| 21:07.06 | jeremiah_ | Yes, there is a bloody keyboard lcuk. :P |
| 21:07.15 | lcuk | :D good good |
| 21:07.20 | jeremiah_ | Now I am gonna flash it! |
| 21:07.24 | lcuk | that means we can also rule out you having an iphone : |
| 21:07.25 | lcuk | P |
| 21:07.46 | jeremiah_ | wha? You mean I can't emulate my N810 on this iPhone? |
| 21:09.23 | lcuk | i think we can |
| 21:09.36 | lcuk | its possible to emulate your current experience |
| 21:09.51 | lcuk | showscrollbar(); while(1) { } |
| 21:10.07 | lcuk | performance might be a bit bad though - cos its emulated afterall |
| 21:10.22 | jeremiah_ | performance? Who cares about that? |
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| 21:11.05 | lcuk | lbt (or gnuton) since i have qt framework on my machine now (i installed shopper) does that mean i have everything from qt and i can just build and copy hundreds of qt apps onto here? |
| 21:11.30 | lcuk | and use all the kinds of widgets and all the helper classes? |
| 21:12.04 | lbt | yes |
| 21:12.15 | lcuk | how large is qt-dev? |
| 21:12.22 | lbt | build? |
| 21:12.32 | lcuk | no, just the headers to link with what ive got here |
| 21:12.35 | lcuk | already |
| 21:12.41 | jeremiah_ | Using Jaffa's GUI flasher |
| 21:13.25 | lcuk | cool jeremiah_ ive only ever used the windows flasher :$ |
| 21:13.30 | lbt | not looked at the size of the debs and got none here... |
| 21:13.40 | lbt | apt-get install it and it'll tell you :) |
| 21:13.46 | lbt | make sure you don't get designer |
| 21:13.50 | lcuk | ive removed the repo and stuff |
| 21:14.01 | lbt | it's in extras-devel |
| 21:14.01 | lcuk | but i will need a designer eventually |
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| 21:14.15 | lbt | you can run designer on windows |
| 21:14.18 | lcuk | i wonder if it would handle designing yuv widgets |
| 21:14.19 | lbt | and copy the uic |
| 21:14.20 | lbt | files |
| 21:14.29 | lbt | to the tablet and compile there |
| 21:14.42 | lcuk | prefer native code - functional ui building sits in my mind better :) |
| 21:14.49 | lbt | the designer app needs too much screen estate to run on the tablet |
| 21:15.01 | lcuk | but for getting to know the interlinks the designer will be good |
| 21:15.11 | lbt | never used it :) |
| 21:15.12 | lcuk | yeah - most desktop apps do :) |
| 21:15.27 | lcuk | im used to using designers, in vb and .net i have to live in em |
| 21:15.28 | lbt | just ran it 'cos it was in the menu |
| 21:15.32 | lbt | yep |
| 21:15.46 | jeremiah_ | Hmm, that didn't work. Have to tell Jaffa "No suitable USB device found." |
| 21:15.54 | lcuk | cow orker today had a major flap because he would have to do some layout work in code |
| 21:16.04 | lbt | aww, diddums |
| 21:16.07 | lcuk | hes so mollycoddled by the .net vb designer |
| 21:16.21 | lbt | show him Xlib sometime... |
| 21:16.38 | lcuk | its good to use these tools but to have an understanding of whats happening is good :) |
| 21:16.50 | lcuk | nahh, even worst enemies dont need to go there ;) |
| 21:17.06 | jeremiah_ | Oy! I am not reading carefully, it is _supposed_ to say "Suitable device not found" |
| 21:17.45 | lcuk | jeremiah_, my n800 does that all the time :'( |
| 21:17.52 | lcuk | ive never ever ever been able to flash it |
| 21:18.41 | lcuk | jeremiah_, are you plugging it directly to the machine, or is it using a usb hub of some sort |
| 21:19.16 | lcuk | and on certain machines, some USB ports are lower class citizens than others - use the directly on motherboard ports for best change of having "direct" usb |
| 21:19.26 | lcuk | chance ^ |
| 21:21.25 | jeremiah_ | It worked! |
| 21:21.37 | jeremiah_ | New firmware and the sweet little guy even booted. |
| 21:21.43 | jeremiah_ | I'll be damned |
| 21:22.25 | lcuk | dont soun d so surprised |
| 21:22.37 | jeremiah_ | heh |
| 21:22.38 | lcuk | nokia knows how to erase the contents of your device |
| 21:23.28 | TrueJournals | *shameless plug for new version of mcedit* http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27818 :D |
| 21:23.53 | lcuk | thats not shameless TrueJournals, we see you |
| 21:23.59 | lcuk | blushing |
| 21:24.05 | lcuk | cannot type tonight |
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| 21:24.39 | TrueJournals | lol |
| 21:29.42 | lbt | heh I have 724 downloads of Shopper :) |
| 21:33.16 | MangoFusion | nice |
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| 21:54.59 | Proteous | sorry, I downloaded shopper 700 times to try to DDOS your server |
| 21:55.07 | Proteous | but 24 people really like it!! |
| 21:56.18 | lcuk | Proteous, don't forget, david downloaded it at least 4 times to confirm it worked |
| 21:56.23 | Proteous | heh |
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| 22:07.39 | timelE61i | pokes jeremiah |
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| 22:31.09 | b-man | compiles more packages for his N8x0 port of LFS (Linux From Scratch) |
| 22:31.35 | Macer | damn. it's been almost 4 days and i am still sick |
| 22:31.58 | b-man | hmm :P |
| 22:32.45 | Macer | why make a lfs port? heh |
| 22:33.14 | Macer | for that you should make a gentoo port if they even have an arm portage tree |
| 22:33.54 | b-man | there allrety is a gentoo port |
| 22:34.01 | Macer | wow really? |
| 22:34.17 | b-man | yup, i'll get a link |
| 22:34.17 | Macer | i just don't see the reasoning behind lfs for any system actually |
| 22:34.33 | b-man | to make a new linux distribution :) |
| 22:34.42 | Macer | well. other than that ;) |
| 22:34.58 | b-man | is calling his new distribution BlueStar |
| 22:35.10 | Macer | but why would you need lfs for that? you can just boot a kernel and start it from scratch by yourself |
| 22:35.29 | Macer | doesn't mer use a blue star for its icon? |
| 22:35.58 | b-man | nope |
| 22:36.19 | Macer | you sure? i could have sworn it did :) or at least something that looked similar to a blue star |
| 22:36.20 | b-man | and i'm using lfs as a base to build on |
| 22:36.46 | b-man | it's a vertical line of bubbles :) |
| 22:37.02 | Macer | why don't you call it helios or something? |
| 22:37.12 | Macer | or is that already taken? :) |
| 22:37.31 | b-man | ...probibly |
| 22:38.07 | b-man | could not think of a better name that wasn't allrety taken |
| 22:38.30 | Macer | HeliOS, a Unix-like computer operating system |
| 22:38.34 | Macer | yeah.. guess it is :) |
| 22:38.41 | Macer | sounds like something sun would make heh |
| 22:38.48 | b-man | lol |
| 22:39.05 | b-man | is still open to names though ;) |
| 22:39.21 | thresh | AUD, Another Useless Distro |
| 22:39.31 | b-man | lol |
| 22:39.56 | Macer | haha |
| 22:40.02 | b-man | POS linux XD |
| 22:40.12 | Macer | yeah... there are too many distros |
| 22:40.21 | Macer | it's getting rather sickening :) |
| 22:41.29 | b-man | also wants to try a different packaging system |
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| 22:41.58 | b-man | that's just as good as apt |
| 22:42.09 | b-man | and dpkg |
| 22:42.19 | thresh | uhm, apt? |
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| 22:43.05 | b-man | apt - "advanced packaging system" |
| 22:43.32 | b-man | re: advanced package tool :P |
| 22:43.48 | timeless_mbp | chuckles |
| 22:45.28 | b-man | is determined to make his owh operating system for embedded devices - e.g. the nit's |
| 22:45.34 | b-man | *own |
| 22:46.24 | b-man | i allrety have a semi-functional system :) |
| 22:51.27 | b-man | Macer: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26325 - gentoo thread |
| 22:54.25 | b-man | ~seen xnt |
| 22:54.29 | infobot | xnt <n=xnt@pool-96-232-136-40.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 23h 43m 18s ago, saying: ':P'. |
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| 22:58.13 | lcuk | ~seen b-man |
| 22:58.14 | infobot | b-man is currently on #maemo (32m 43s). Has said a total of 19 messages. Is idling for 3m 49s, last said: '~seen xnt'. |
| 22:58.29 | lcuk | ~seen infobot |
| 22:58.30 | infobot | i haven't seen 'infobot', lcuk |
| 23:05.53 | lbt | qwerty12_N800: echo 4096 > /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_add <--- what's that about? I just got mmap: permission denied... |
| 23:06.15 | bef0rd | you need root access |
| 23:06.52 | lbt | bef0rd: it's working now :) I just wasn't sure why it is needed |
| 23:07.23 | lbt | (and it's echo 4096 > /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr with an extra 'r' ) |
| 23:07.43 | bef0rd | I don't remember exactly, but I think its somehow a security protection |
| 23:07.49 | qwerty12_N800 | lbt: you only need to do it if you find configure scripts, for example, failing one of its tests |
| 23:08.03 | lbt | gnuton: I'm trying to merge my scroller with qabstractscrollarea .... :D |
| 23:08.15 | lbt | it was a compile during the build of Qt |
| 23:09.37 | lbt | I've not seen it before ... anyhow, thanks for the iTT post last year ;) |
| 23:10.31 | gnuton | lbt: :D have you tried the Ariya code? |
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| 23:11.15 | gnuton | lbt: it needs some fixes. :( Last night I improved it a bit and I extended it to the QTextBrowser |
| 23:11.16 | lbt | not yet - but I don't think it will work if the user has done scrollBar.setRange() |
| 23:11.17 | gnuton | s |
| 23:11.37 | lbt | I wanted to try my approach - which manages children |
| 23:11.44 | lbt | and compile the demos |
| 23:11.48 | lbt | and designer |
| 23:11.54 | lbt | and if that works... :) |
| 23:12.11 | lbt | then it appears for everything |
| 23:12.15 | qwerty12_N800 | lbt: There's better ways than what's described in that post. I use a sysctl conf for the mmap thing & vdso=0 in my kernel params |
| 23:13.08 | lbt | qwerty12_N800: I've not needed it before and I've built all of Qt recently |
| 23:13.23 | lbt | so I wondered why it appeared all of a sudden |
| 23:13.33 | gnuton | lbt: okay:D |
| 23:14.03 | gnuton | I'm very tired.. good night folks |
| 23:14.07 | gnuton | nite lbt |
| 23:14.08 | lbt | gnuton: mine is a fair bit heavier (maybe x2) - but I think it handles more corner cases |
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| 23:20.01 | thiagoss | Hello, I've been wondering, is there any good calendar application for maemo? Integrated with google calendar, providing alarms and a ToDo list? |
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| 23:20.32 | x29a | thiagoss: did you try the gpe calendar? |
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| 23:21.54 | thiagoss | x29a: I've seen its site, but haven't tested (my n810 isn't here) |
| 23:22.20 | x29a | i didnt test it either but i came across it and maybe its what you are looking for |
| 23:22.43 | thiagoss | x29a: there's also mCalendar. That seems promising. I'll give them a shot :-) |
| 23:23.33 | lcuk | is making a personal calendar |
| 23:24.18 | qwerty12_N800 | A picture of the North's scenery for each month? I'll pass. :P |
| 23:24.41 | lcuk | heh i dont need no stinking background (but others might) |
| 23:24.52 | lcuk | i want my squiggles and notes |
| 23:24.57 | lcuk | just like a real calender |
| 23:25.16 | lcuk | i want it to be on all the machines i use :) |
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