| 00:11.29 | timeless_mbp | right, LC_ALL=en_US.utf8 |
| 00:11.31 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 00:14.17 | GeneralAntilles | Did we ever decide on a removal solution? |
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| 00:14.26 | GeneralAntilles | Why wasn't dpkg-divert an option? |
| 00:14.35 | timeless_mbp | it's a pretty bad option |
| 00:14.43 | timeless_mbp | jeremiah was supposed to look at some a week ago |
| 00:14.50 | timeless_mbp | he hasn't gotten back to me |
| 00:15.03 | timeless_mbp | i think triggers sounded like it might be promising |
| 00:15.14 | timeless_mbp | the problem w/ dpkg-divert is that it needs to be very automatic |
| 00:15.22 | timeless_mbp | and it will fail in all sorts of interesting ways |
| 00:15.32 | timeless_mbp | e.g. if you install my package before one of the things i've translated |
| 00:15.58 | timeless_mbp | because i can't know the name of the things i've translated |
| 00:16.05 | timeless_mbp | well, i can guess, but sometimes i'm wrong |
| 00:16.19 | timeless_mbp | since an app can always randomly change its packaging scheme |
| 00:17.19 | timeless_mbp | kicks maemopad |
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| 00:35.54 | timeless_mbp | andre__: do you file bugs against midori? |
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| 00:50.43 | xnt|clone | ~burn himself |
| 00:50.44 | infobot | ACTION pours gasoline all over himself, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 00:50.59 | b-man | XD |
| 00:53.35 | xnt|real | :P |
| 00:54.26 | xnt|clone | XD |
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| 01:01.03 | xnt|clone | dies |
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| 01:19.41 | timeless_mbp | anyone alive? |
| 01:24.37 | GeneralAntilles | Sorry, everybody's undead. |
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| 01:50.04 | faik | hello, is there someone to talk about GSoC projects? |
| 01:50.54 | b-man | ask z4chh ;) |
| 01:51.47 | faik | I am interested in "Videoconference environment based on BRisa UPnP" project |
| 01:52.39 | faik | I used ti work on similar project |
| 01:52.44 | z4chh | im a student bman ;p |
| 01:53.15 | z4chh | faik, i recommend trying to talk to the mentor for this project |
| 01:53.26 | faik | yes :) |
| 01:54.08 | z4chh | leandro, i think it is |
| 01:55.20 | faik | yes, I saw his/her name, and hope to find him here :) |
| 01:55.25 | faik | joke was good :D |
| 02:06.10 | timeless_mbp | lost train of thought |
| 02:19.45 | z4chh | faik_, just hang around, you'll probablt catch him |
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| 02:20.45 | faik_ | are you going to apply? |
| 02:21.11 | faik_ | @z4chh |
| 02:21.32 | z4chh | yes sir i am |
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| 02:22.24 | faik_ | project? own idea? |
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| 02:23.57 | z4chh | faik_, it is not on the project list..so i suppose own idea ;P |
| 02:24.22 | faik_ | nice |
| 02:24.33 | faik_ | hope you will pass |
| 02:26.30 | z4chh | have you participated in gsoc before? |
| 02:26.50 | faik_ | no |
| 02:27.20 | faik_ | I think that is - for me |
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| 02:53.14 | timeless_mbp | grumbles |
| 02:53.14 | timeless_mbp | hates po files |
| 02:56.50 | b-man | cheats and uses binutils from debian to build his CLFS system |
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| 03:17.58 | Pavlov | hm |
| 03:19.37 | tang_ | is liblocation only provided binary? |
| 03:19.50 | Pavlov | i think so |
| 03:21.41 | Pavlov | unfortunately, since it is hard to debug;/ |
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| 03:23.09 | tang_ | i know it provides x86 binary,arm binary,it there mips binary |
| 03:24.00 | tang_ | i try fennec1.0b1,error log said i need liblocation.it is so bad to hear no liblocation src |
| 03:24.40 | tang_ | hard to debug,also no way to port |
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| 03:26.25 | GeneralAntilles | Fennec depends on liblocation? |
| 03:26.27 | GeneralAntilles | Huh |
| 03:26.51 | Pavlov | for geolocation stuff |
| 03:27.01 | GeneralAntilles | Pavlov, if you've got a justification for getting it openned (for Fennec, for instance), put a bug up on b.m.o |
| 03:27.05 | GeneralAntilles | (maemo.org) |
| 03:27.58 | GeneralAntilles | I've heard more than a few "valid" (i.e., not just "open it because we're zealots and we say so") justifications for having it open, and Nokia tends to respond well to those (if not always rapidly). |
| 03:29.06 | Pavlov | tang_: if you build without liblocation it should just disable geolocation support |
| 03:29.11 | Pavlov | (at least via the gps) |
| 03:33.09 | tang_ | pavlov:i run fennec like this xulrunner ./application.ini |
| 03:33.15 | Pavlov | you can |
| 03:33.26 | Pavlov | 'fennec' should also work |
| 03:33.32 | tang_ | error log:error loading shared librayies |
| 03:33.42 | Pavlov | yeah it links against liblocation |
| 03:33.46 | Pavlov | you'd have to rebuild without it;/ |
| 03:33.48 | lpotter | thinks "open it because we're zealots and we say so" is a valid reason... |
| 03:34.05 | tang_ | run-mozilla.sh fennec |
| 03:34.06 | Pavlov | tang_: i can ask one of my guys if we can dynamically load it |
| 03:34.18 | GeneralAntilles | lpotter, unfortunately it's not very effective with Nokia's management. |
| 03:34.22 | tang_ | error log:couldnt load xpcom |
| 03:34.26 | GeneralAntilles | Give them a business reason, though, and you're golden. |
| 03:34.52 | tang_ | it fennec1.0beta |
| 03:36.20 | tang_ | fenneca3 is ok to run |
| 03:38.04 | tang_ | Pavlov:i try do compile again, thanks for help |
| 03:38.17 | Pavlov | a3 didn't have geolocation i think |
| 03:38.23 | Pavlov | wait, we didn't do a3 |
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| 04:41.40 | RST38h | is happily removing factory installed shi^H^Hsoftware off the new laptop |
| 04:42.19 | RST38h | It is unimaginable how many little "helpful" dingleberries a manufacturer installs nowadays |
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| 04:57.17 | derkaiser | Is anyone here interested in "smart news reader on N800"? I once proposed it on the list, but still have not found a mentor yet. |
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| 05:45.53 | rockydd | I copied my private key to my N810: /home/user/.ssh/ , but everytime I run ssh REMOTEHOST , it request the passphrase. but that is not requested in other machine. and I can't remember the passphrase |
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| 06:00.58 | Macer | good evening |
| 06:03.22 | zakkm | Macer: Evening? where in the world do you live? :p |
| 06:03.48 | Macer | chicago |
| 06:03.53 | Macer | it's 1am here :) |
| 06:04.20 | zakkm | lol |
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| 06:21.39 | qgil | about https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3949 - can someone help telling me where exactly in .modest can I find the cached emails? |
| 06:25.39 | zakkm | qgil: try du -h in that folder |
| 06:25.47 | zakkm | it should give you filesizes |
| 06:25.59 | zakkm | cached emails would probably be biggest filesize folder :P |
| 06:29.42 | qgil | thanks zakkm, getting there... |
| 06:34.11 | qgil | I'm stuck in a cryptic /cache subdir with subfolders 04, 05, 17, 24, 25, 28, 38... How am I supposed to find whether the 5 emails I have deleted are cached or not? :) |
| 06:35.41 | zakkm | no idea |
| 06:35.44 | zakkm | it was just a guess :p |
| 06:35.58 | zakkm | qgil:sorry |
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| 06:39.36 | zakkm | qgil : wish i knew |
| 06:40.33 | x29a | qgil: do you know some content of the emails? |
| 06:40.56 | x29a | if yes, you could do a little recoursive bashscript with find, cat, grep |
| 06:43.29 | StsN800 | ponders the half snow storm outside |
| 06:45.26 | qgil | x29, it's easy to know a string in an email deleted, yes - but I don't know how to use find, cat, grep - I'm just a tester willing to help :) |
| 06:45.51 | x29a | StsN800: good morning, one question: what is the repository called that gets added when installing the installer for mer? |
| 06:45.53 | x29a | your own |
| 06:46.10 | StsN800 | grep -r "string" cachedir |
| 06:46.20 | StsN800 | x29a, tspre.org |
| 06:46.40 | qgil | StsN800: that commend in the cache folder and it will scan the subfolders? |
| 06:46.41 | x29a | thanks |
| 06:46.58 | x29a | sweet, didnt know grep could do -r |
| 06:47.03 | StsN800 | qgil, yeah, recursive |
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| 06:51.29 | shishirmk | hi guys i want to work in one of the maemo projects for gsoc |
| 06:52.00 | shishirmk | i know good amount of c++ i can learn python and have good amount of computer basics knowledge |
| 06:52.11 | shishirmk | can you suggest some project? |
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| 07:01.51 | hhahlo | morning, how to get dpkg list all installed packages? |
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| 07:03.07 | Stskeeps | dpkg -l |
| 07:03.19 | Stskeeps | this may include non-purged packages |
| 07:04.10 | wnd | I prefer "dpkg --get-selections" (| grep -v deinstall) |
| 07:05.03 | Stskeeps | notes that headlines online as "it's going to be felt like -15 C today" is not motivating one to go to work. |
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| 07:15.11 | qgil | Stskeeps: sorry for the basic question: what is the syntax for cachedir? I get either "No such file or directory" or [nothing] |
| 07:16.01 | Pavlov | mm |
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| 07:24.47 | x29a | qgil: the name of the directory |
| 07:28.35 | qgil | x29a: grep -r "wowway" cache = No such file or directory |
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| 07:29.41 | x29a | ls -la cache does show the directory tho? |
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| 07:31.29 | x29a | qgil: --^ |
| 07:33.41 | StsN801 | grep -r term ~/.modest/cache |
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| 07:42.52 | L0cutus | 'giorno |
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| 07:44.26 | qgil | StsN801: I wanted to do this, how am I supposed to type the "~" in osso-xterm? |
| 07:45.01 | x29a | StsN801: i now took the installing instructions from the 0.9 release and put them in the docu-install article, how will people know that they should edit there? |
| 07:45.05 | x29a | qgil: fn+x |
| 07:45.12 | x29a | or are you on N800? |
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| 07:56.02 | qgil | x29a: I can select the whole patch but now it's selected... how do I paste with osso-xterm? (man, how embvarrassing to ask these questions publicly) |
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| 07:56.09 | qgil | the whole path, I mean |
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| 07:56.45 | qgil | AH, GOT IT |
| 07:56.48 | qgil | finally |
| 07:57.04 | x29a | congrats |
| 07:57.32 | qgil | so I can reproduce in Fremantle, mission completed |
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| 08:00.14 | Stskeeps | qgil: re embarassing public, it took me a year to realize how to disable flash in the browser through the interface :) |
| 08:00.24 | Stskeeps | some things just take time :P |
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| 08:04.09 | herzi | qgil: ping |
| 08:04.47 | herzi | qgil: is there a Maemo booth for Linuxtag planned? |
| 08:05.40 | herzi | if not, I could list Maemo in the gnome project and apply for a little more space, the call for projects ends March 31st |
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| 08:09.14 | Macer | ugh |
| 08:10.09 | Pinger | Hi, bro. I try to install fremantle sdk in Scratchbox, but i got this message "Err http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk/free Sources |
| 08:10.10 | Pinger | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:10.12 | Pinger | Err http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools/free Packages |
| 08:10.13 | Pinger | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:12.19 | Stskeeps | Pinger: behind a proxy? |
| 08:13.37 | Pinger | oh, what's the address? |
| 08:14.47 | Stskeeps | i'm personally wondering why you're getting a elisa .fi address from a chinese address |
| 08:17.23 | Pinger | what do i do, how can get a chinese address? |
| 08:18.10 | Stskeeps | well what is happening is that something along the way is redirecting your http request |
| 08:18.18 | Stskeeps | and sending a 302 found, which apt cannot handle |
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| 08:19.36 | Pinger | i cannot use the apt-get command |
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| 08:25.17 | timelE61i | qgil: strace/grep :) |
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| 08:31.07 | timeless_mbp | 193.184.164.146 is an akamai mirror |
| 08:31.26 | Stskeeps | weird that he gets 302 Foudn from it then. well, ok, not so much if it's akamai :P |
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| 08:31.52 | timeless_mbp | akamai's web servers are strange, try telnet 193.184.164.146 80 ; GET / HTTP/1.0 |
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| 08:32.48 | timeless_mbp | not wierd really |
| 08:32.54 | Stskeeps | heh, interesting that canola went for gplv3 |
| 08:33.17 | Stskeeps | can see positive sides to that, such as enforcing open devices with canola on it |
| 08:33.37 | timeless_mbp | i think he might need an extra / somewhere |
| 08:33.48 | timeless_mbp | e.g. if i use /pool i get a 302 for /pool/ |
| 08:34.01 | Stskeeps | Pinger: do you use the script? |
| 08:35.04 | timeless_mbp | qgil: so um, can you get me a list of projects for which you want products in bugzilla? |
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| 08:55.19 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:55.41 | Stskeeps | morning jaffa |
| 08:55.53 | JamieBennett | Morning Jaffa |
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| 09:00.19 | Stskeeps | x29a: good job on /Installation |
| 09:00.40 | x29a | thanks |
| 09:03.03 | Stskeeps | boots up inkscape |
| 09:06.31 | b0unc3 | good morning |
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| 09:22.50 | qgil | http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/03/24/step-up/ getting 2 thumbs down in maemo.org - intriguing |
| 09:23.07 | qgil | maybe it's because the blog posts has that evil technology called Flash? |
| 09:24.37 | qgil | timeless: it's not about the list of products "I" want, but about the projects wiling to use bugs.maemo.org and whether we-the-community make some kind of policy about that for software in extras |
| 09:24.55 | Stskeeps | hehe.. first thing we got taught on UI design courses was that it is good to have "alive" prototypes to be able to test/use as reference/play with, and flash is pretty much the only one that is good for easy and rapid prototyping :), don't think the OSS community has any good alternatives in that area |
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| 09:26.26 | timelE61i | qgil: alright, so if you have bugs you want to file, contact the maintainers and offer them products in bugzilla |
| 09:28.25 | qgil | timelE61i: sounds reasonable |
| 09:29.10 | qgil | Stskeeps: an alternative to Flash in the OSS community is to hack an alpha and come up with a screencast ;) |
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| 09:31.10 | timelE61i | a screencast using flash? |
| 09:33.04 | hhahlo | Is it this which replaced tux? http://www.flickr.com/photos/h_u_p/3363810546/ |
| 09:33.53 | Stskeeps | hhahlo: now linux will be forever identified with satanism (devil, well, tasmanian devil) and communism. always good. :P |
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| 09:34.26 | Stskeeps | hugs the freebsd mascot. |
| 09:34.39 | hhahlo | Stskeeps: like bsd has |
| 09:34.59 | Stskeeps | yeah, except that tux replacement doesn't look directly friendly |
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| 09:36.48 | hhahlo | btw is diablo ever going to get newer kernel or is it like debian systems that no newer kernels? |
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| 09:37.04 | Stskeeps | hhahlo: i think it's really up to community |
| 09:37.15 | Stskeeps | we can get 2.6.28 with a bit of work really |
| 09:37.33 | hhahlo | that would be good |
| 09:37.34 | Stskeeps | actually, we've been able to for ages, even with wifi, but noone has bothered that much |
| 09:37.43 | Stskeeps | there's a GSoC project for it as well |
| 09:38.24 | Pinger | Stskeeps: i try to 'export http_proxy=202.158.161.39:9203' in scratchbox, but Failed. |
| 09:38.38 | Pinger | can you give me a http_proxy? |
| 09:38.54 | Stskeeps | Pinger: my question was if you used the installation script? |
| 09:39.15 | Pinger | what's script? |
| 09:39.24 | Stskeeps | the .sh that would install the SDK for you |
| 09:39.27 | Stskeeps | or if you did it manually |
| 09:39.36 | Pinger | manually |
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| 09:39.59 | Stskeeps | ok, any reason why? non-Debian/Ubuntu? |
| 09:40.04 | Pinger | i didn't use script |
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| 09:40.19 | Pinger | i use Debian lenny |
| 09:40.38 | Stskeeps | ok, i would recommend you to use the installation scripts included, they'll set up the target correctly |
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| 09:42.23 | Pinger | but my scratchbox dir in /home/pinger/scratchbox |
| 09:42.39 | Stskeeps | mm |
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| 09:42.53 | Stskeeps | can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 09:44.09 | Pinger | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/sdk free non-free |
| 09:44.11 | Pinger | deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/sdk free |
| 09:44.12 | Pinger | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/tools free non-free |
| 09:44.13 | Pinger | deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/tools free |
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| 09:45.21 | Stskeeps | looks fine to me |
| 09:45.38 | Stskeeps | check your /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf and /etc/resolv.conf and so forth matches eachother |
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| 09:48.56 | Pinger | Stskeeps: it works now, i changed the http_proxy in scratchbox |
| 09:49.16 | Stskeeps | k |
| 09:49.17 | Stskeeps | good |
| 09:49.27 | Pinger | i used 'export http_proxy=http://128.112.139.97:3127', this address is ok. |
| 09:49.51 | Pinger | thanks for your time, thank you, thank you very much. |
| 09:50.07 | Stskeeps | np |
| 09:51.02 | Stskeeps | i'm not entirely sure why your problem happens but it looks like you solved it by setting a http proxy to a open proxy or something :) |
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| 09:54.39 | x29a | Pinger: is this your home connection that you are using? |
| 09:56.06 | Pinger | no, i'm company |
| 09:57.18 | Pinger | what's wrong |
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| 10:06.47 | florian | good morning |
| 10:07.26 | Stskeeps | morning |
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| 10:22.21 | Pinger | Stskeeps: Bye, i wanna to go home. |
| 10:22.25 | Stskeeps | cya |
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| 10:46.05 | faik_ | hello, can I walk with someone about GSoC= |
| 10:46.11 | faik_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:47.27 | X-Fade | faik_: I guess you have seen http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009 ? |
| 10:48.30 | faik_ | yes |
| 10:48.50 | faik_ | I want to talk about one of project ideas |
| 10:49.50 | X-Fade | faik_: Which one? We might to be able to figure out who you would need to talk to.. |
| 10:50.30 | kleist_ | . |
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| 10:51.08 | faik_ | It's one about videoconference, possible mentor leandro |
| 10:51.18 | faik_ | I have some work on similar project |
| 10:51.52 | faik_ | developing client and server side |
| 10:53.22 | faik_ | using video, audio and whiteboard to communicate between students and profesors |
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| 10:54.09 | X-Fade | ~seen leandroal |
| 10:54.20 | infobot | leandroal <n=leandro@200.223.178.254> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 34d 11h 6m 17s ago, saying: 'qwerty12_N800, cool! :)'. |
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| 10:54.38 | X-Fade | Hmm he doesn't seem to be here much. |
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| 10:56.43 | faik_ | do you know his e-mail address or other way to communicate |
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| 11:10.01 | VDVsx | morning |
| 11:10.54 | Stskeeps | morning |
| 11:13.07 | VDVsx | faik_, do you already have leandro's contact ? |
| 11:14.20 | faik_ | yes, X-Fade provided me. tnx |
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| 12:07.07 | thopiekar | hi |
| 12:08.20 | *** topic/#maemo by VDVsx -> Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | The Maemo community is looking for talent students -> http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009 |
| 12:08.33 | Stskeeps | talented |
| 12:08.40 | VDVsx | ups |
| 12:08.49 | *** topic/#maemo by VDVsx -> Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | The Maemo community is looking for talented students -> http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009 |
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| 12:14.11 | thopiekar | at least canola is oss ! |
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| 12:44.33 | lcuk | god i hate vnc sometimes |
| 12:44.37 | lcuk | kicks it |
| 12:45.38 | RST38h | moo lcuk |
| 12:45.47 | RST38h | if you kick it hard enough it will die. |
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| 12:45.54 | Stskeeps | lo RST38h |
| 12:46.11 | lcuk | RST38h, if i had long enough legs i would kick it properly |
| 12:46.30 | RST38h | "A new ad campaign by the Metropolitan Police warns the public to be on the alert for strangers who look at them in a funny way, and to check the contents of their neighbours bins." |
| 12:46.32 | RST38h | Fun |
| 12:46.32 | lcuk | the vnc protocol doesn't support violence |
| 12:46.40 | RST38h | Heya Sts |
| 12:47.02 | lcuk | reports RST38h |
| 12:47.08 | RST38h | lcuk: That is an obvious oversight |
| 12:47.51 | lcuk | checks \RST38hc$RECYCLERS-1-5-21-839522115-1958367476-725345543-1003 |
| 12:48.23 | lardman | the wonders of Windows directory naming :p |
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| 12:49.08 | lcuk | yeah, i think the worst was the spaces in system paths |
| 12:49.24 | lcuk | cured now but wtf were they thinking |
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| 12:50.40 | RST38h | has been configuring the new laptop for the last day or so, almost got it under control |
| 12:51.00 | lcuk | which os have you chosen? |
| 12:51.07 | RST38h | It came with XP. |
| 12:51.25 | RST38h | Will put Ubuntu on it a bit later today if I get time |
| 12:51.34 | lcuk | xp is easy to wrangle |
| 12:51.53 | RST38h | Not if you have got dozens (!) of apps manufacturer installed |
| 12:52.10 | RST38h | But Symantec is gone now and I even fixed the registry it left broken |
| 12:52.19 | lcuk | ahhh norton antivirus trialware, they give you free viruses for a couple of months |
| 12:52.33 | RST38h | All those helpful Intel utils are gone too |
| 12:53.38 | lcuk | when traacys machine turned into a super system norton had a fit, it took more effort to get that removed than setting up the rest of it |
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| 12:53.38 | lcuk | dont u need those intel utilities though |
| 12:55.19 | RST38h | no |
| 12:55.29 | RST38h | useless crap |
| 12:55.47 | RST38h | also "converted" office trial =) |
| 12:55.57 | lcuk | not even the little one that monitors for microcode updates and reenvigorates your cpu in times of need |
| 12:56.35 | lcuk | RST38h, you can be 98.99999997465% sure you need that monitor |
| 12:57.16 | RST38h | I havent got that one |
| 12:58.12 | lcuk | oh my, then you will have a problem - as long as you don't use your machine for production stuff though no1 will notice |
| 13:02.02 | aquatix | lcuk: a monitor emulating the P90 bug? |
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| 13:14.10 | Stskeeps | morning timsamoff |
| 13:14.24 | timsamoff | Hey hey hey. |
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| 13:22.13 | GeneralAntilles | oh god |
| 13:22.15 | timelE61i | sO... |
| 13:22.20 | GeneralAntilles | timsamoff, we have a problem. :( |
| 13:22.33 | timelE61i | Can someone explain how LC_TIME should work? |
| 13:22.48 | GeneralAntilles | timsamoff, glaubert seems to have used Arial for the website graphics. . . . :( |
| 13:22.52 | timelE61i | There's an assumption that lang controls the user facing strings |
| 13:23.10 | timelE61i | And lc_* control formatting |
| 13:23.15 | timsamoff | GeneralAntilles: Hmmm... |
| 13:23.26 | timsamoff | But, in web design, it's pretty typical -- and accepted. |
| 13:23.37 | timsamoff | Maybe not in the "open" world, though, eh? |
| 13:23.45 | timelE61i | However, it seems that something (probably posix) mixed these two when it defined lc_time |
| 13:23.48 | GeneralAntilles | It's fake Helvetica from Microsoft, Inc. |
| 13:23.49 | GeneralAntilles | Evil. |
| 13:24.00 | timelE61i | The font is better |
| 13:24.09 | timsamoff | Right, but... The web sort of forced us into using it. Unfortunately. |
| 13:24.18 | GeneralAntilles | timsamoff, not in our graphics. |
| 13:24.30 | timelE61i | it's part of "core fonts for the web" |
| 13:24.34 | timsamoff | But, one must design for the lowest common denominator. |
| 13:24.46 | timsamoff | Everyone has Arial, so that is what we use. |
| 13:24.54 | GeneralAntilles | :shudder: |
| 13:24.59 | timsamoff | There's hardly a way to get around it -- unless we make maemo.org a Flahs site. :p |
| 13:25.13 | timsamoff | *Flash |
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| 13:25.24 | timelE61i | timsamoff: like ovi? |
| 13:25.27 | timelE61i | Awesome |
| 13:25.33 | timsamoff | ;) |
| 13:25.37 | timelE61i | 11 flash apps per page |
| 13:25.44 | timsamoff | Gotta love it. |
| 13:26.19 | timsamoff | register t1t2t3 |
| 13:26.31 | timsamoff | ^ Funny. |
| 13:26.42 | timsamoff | Blech. I'm typing in multiple dialogs. |
| 13:27.16 | timsamoff | is so sleepy this morning. |
| 13:27.49 | RST38h | queues web developers using flash for extermination |
| 13:28.30 | timsamoff | RST38h: Sorry, dude... It makes some of us money. |
| 13:28.34 | timelE61i | tAke ovi's first |
| 13:28.36 | timelE61i | Please |
| 13:29.04 | timsamoff | My first Flash site was in 1998. Wow. |
| 13:29.10 | timsamoff | It was hot too. |
| 13:29.11 | RST38h | timsamoff: that is the only way! =) |
| 13:29.44 | timsamoff | should put that old site back up. ActionScript 1 doing all sorts of things that people struggle with today with AS3! |
| 13:29.53 | GeneralAntilles | tries installing scratchbox again. |
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| 13:30.17 | Stskeeps | is considering OpenSUSE Build Service |
| 13:31.13 | timsamoff | Stskeeps: I LOVE that idea. Jerimiah is on to something. |
| 13:31.25 | timsamoff | *Jeremiah |
| 13:31.38 | Stskeeps | timsamoff: we're investigating it for mer at the moment |
| 13:31.46 | Stskeeps | so we have a playground for it |
| 13:31.48 | timsamoff | Coolness. :) |
| 13:32.10 | Stskeeps | their ARM emulation and cross-compilation is light years ahead of maemo & scratchbox (1 and 2), to be honest |
| 13:32.24 | timsamoff | I wish OpenSuse had more exposure, really. |
| 13:32.50 | timsamoff | But, maybe Mer will help. ;) |
| 13:33.34 | RST38h | wonders how many of timsamoff's flash sites work on a tablet |
| 13:33.59 | Stskeeps | timsamoff: people should be threatened of opensuse on arm, really :) |
| 13:34.04 | timsamoff | RST38h: Try this: http://samoff.com/ps/ |
| 13:34.15 | RST38h | Sts: How did SUSE cross paths with ARM, anyway? I thought they were a PC distro? |
| 13:34.31 | Stskeeps | RST38h: no clue, but they did a side project |
| 13:34.33 | timsamoff | Stskeeps: Why is that? |
| 13:34.58 | RST38h | timsamoff: how do I click through it so that it ends quicker? =) |
| 13:35.00 | Stskeeps | timsamoff: if they suddenly can put together arbitary distributions for arm hardware and custom-compile them within a couple of days.. |
| 13:35.13 | RST38h | (that is really the only important thing about flash based trainings) |
| 13:35.22 | timsamoff | RST38h: Ha! :D |
| 13:35.25 | RST38h | Sts: Weird. |
| 13:35.29 | timsamoff | Stskeeps: Yeah, but... |
| 13:36.09 | RST38h | timsamoff: Well, let us just say that plain HTML with a table of contents would probably do a better job |
| 13:36.29 | timsamoff | RST38h: Not according to the client. ;) |
| 13:36.36 | RST38h | timsamoff: Yea, I know =( |
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| 13:44.30 | lopz | hi |
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| 13:59.07 | Stskeeps | timsamoff: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build#Scenarios - the scenarios we hope to support |
| 14:01.33 | timsamoff | I like it/them. |
| 14:01.57 | Stskeeps | and that's how easy it should be really. if it builds on x86 sanely, it should cross-compile for armel too and work in exact same manner |
| 14:02.00 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:05.15 | lcuk | Stskeeps, "should" is a very key phrase, try it out and see how it works then scaleup if its comfy |
| 14:05.18 | timsamoff | Stskeeps: Are you guys working on this project full-time or something? |
| 14:05.31 | Stskeeps | timsamoff: nah, just when we have time i guess |
| 14:06.06 | timsamoff | Stskeeps: Well, it's impressive. You have created so much documentation. I love it. |
| 14:06.06 | lcuk | timsamoff, dont believe him, even I think he has early starts and late nights ;) |
| 14:06.20 | timsamoff | lcuk: Don't we all? ;) |
| 14:06.48 | timsamoff | thinks he is procrastinating with reading all of the Mer docs. :p |
| 14:06.58 | timsamoff | should probably get to work, but... |
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| 14:23.51 | derkaiser | hello all, is there anyone interested in the "Smart News Reader" on the GSOC project list?I have not found a mentor yet~ |
| 14:26.40 | X-Fade | VDVsx: Are you the king of GSOC here? :) |
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| 14:31.13 | VDVsx | derkaiser, I don't have enough machine learning knowledge in order to help you, but I will send you a possible mentor contact in pm |
| 14:31.36 | VDVsx | X-Fade, lol, I'm not a king :P |
| 14:32.12 | derkaiser | ok, thanks~actually it may much more be linked to context-aware and semantic. machine learning algorithm will not be used too much~ |
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| 14:33.04 | derf | There isn't a lot of room to do much machine learning on a tablet. |
| 14:33.49 | derkaiser | yes , I know.so i don't want to do so much complex ML algorithm on tablet |
| 14:34.44 | derkaiser | More works would be done in context-aware and semantic. |
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| 14:35.04 | lcuk | X-Fade, :D thought it mightv been you |
| 14:35.51 | X-Fade | lcuk: Let's say that it was caused by a lack of sleep.. |
| 14:36.04 | derkaiser | I hope this work can make some contributions in implementing a context-aware middleware and a tiny semantic engine on tablet. Just a experiment project. Test how maemo can be smart~ |
| 14:36.51 | lfelipe | derkaiser: cool |
| 14:37.20 | lcuk | derkaiser, maemo will become skynet? |
| 14:37.28 | lcuk | loves the idea |
| 14:39.24 | derkaiser | Excuse me , but what is skynet? I have no idea about it... |
| 14:40.03 | lcuk | derkaiser, :) terminator movie series, intelligent robots taking over the world and destroying all humans, you know day to day normal stuff |
| 14:40.12 | X-Fade | derkaiser: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skynet_(Terminator) |
| 14:40.37 | derkaiser | 3x~I also find it~:) |
| 14:41.31 | X-Fade | New Terminator movie will come out soon btw ;) |
| 14:42.16 | derkaiser | It's really cool. I think those mobile device should be smart enough to improve our quality of life in future pervasive environment. But they also should be under control, I believe. |
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| 14:45.07 | derkaiser | is there any chinese here? |
| 14:45.19 | Stskeeps | saw one earlier |
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| 14:47.41 | lcuk | X-Fade, more interested in the new star trek movie |
| 14:48.29 | X-Fade | lcuk: Yeah, me too. |
| 14:49.33 | lcuk | the enterprise looks so big on earth :O |
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| 15:05.41 | Sho_ | lcuk: which is a canon violation! ;) |
| 15:06.41 | lcuk | yes i thought all enterprise models were built in spacedock, it seems odd that sam beckets enterprise started in space and yet when kirk comes around they bring it back down to earth |
| 15:07.32 | Sho_ | lcuk: well plus it was said before that it was built in the "san francisco orbital fleet yards" |
| 15:07.37 | Sho_ | and now they build it on the ground in iowa .. |
| 15:07.51 | lcuk | swamp gas |
| 15:10.21 | Sho_ | but hey, it can hardly be worse than "Nemesis" .. |
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| 15:56.02 | thopiekar | why does downloading the armel rootsrap (maemo) fais to download with the maemo-sdk installer |
| 15:56.44 | thopiekar | I managed to create a i386-chroot and installed sb1.. |
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| 16:02.08 | thopiekar | downloading the maemo5 rootstrap is working... |
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| 16:02.18 | thopiekar | just maemo 4.1 doesn't |
| 16:02.21 | thopiekar | :| |
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| 16:09.02 | thopiekar | hmm it seems that downloading works just for the first time.. |
| 16:11.34 | thopiekar | ok works now after removing the old and uncompleted files at /chroot/scratchbox/users/thopiekar/home/thopiekar |
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| 17:21.27 | fireun | http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/03/in-season-food-app-for-locavores-iphones.php |
| 17:21.29 | fireun | wow, thats neat |
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| 17:31.55 | keesj | fireun: indeed a nice idea |
| 17:35.00 | fireun | I wonder where they get their data |
| 17:35.11 | fireun | or if its just hardcoded for times of the year |
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| 17:37.55 | fireun | now sees the "data provided by localharvest" |
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| 18:16.39 | Macer | well... xfering around 500G over 100mbit |
| 18:16.41 | Macer | fun fun |
| 18:17.03 | Stskeeps | again? |
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| 18:21.12 | Macer | again? :) |
| 18:21.25 | Macer | oh.. before it was usb2 drives.. i'm actually just moving a ton of stuff over to my popcornhour |
| 18:21.34 | Macer | i am going to give this one to my gf and get an a-110 |
| 18:22.06 | Macer | this one has a 750G drive in it.. figured i'd get an a110 and put a 1.5TB drive in it |
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| 18:22.37 | v6sa | Hi |
| 18:22.43 | v6sa | any mentors here? |
| 18:22.54 | Stskeeps | possibly |
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| 18:23.55 | lcuk | possibly |
| 18:24.08 | v6sa | Students who want to participate are expected to have those Nokia internet tablets? |
| 18:24.12 | Macer | is this how the freemasons started? |
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| 18:24.34 | v6sa | I am talking about the GSoC |
| 18:24.35 | VDVsx | v6sa, no |
| 18:24.39 | lcuk | v6sa, since maemo is oriented around the nokia internet tablets i would think it would make sense |
| 18:24.57 | v6sa | haha two contradicting answers.. |
| 18:24.58 | v6sa | so? |
| 18:25.00 | lcuk | obviously not lol |
| 18:25.20 | v6sa | but how are they going to test it? only on PC in some emulated environment? |
| 18:25.25 | lcuk | VDVsx, how can people work on maemo device code without testing |
| 18:25.52 | VDVsx | v6sa, we have a powerful SDK |
| 18:25.56 | VDVsx | :P |
| 18:26.35 | VDVsx | lcuk, depends on the project |
| 18:26.50 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: any kind of serious development in sdk is kinda weird :P |
| 18:27.29 | lcuk | VDVsx, good point but without some sort of context the end result isnt gonna be too helpful |
| 18:29.12 | VDVsx | lcuk, I know, but we dunno if we can get some sponsorship to offer devices to the students, |
| 18:29.34 | Stskeeps | in worst case scenario they can probably develop in a mer vmdk ;) |
| 18:30.25 | v6sa | But what am I supposed to write to application paper when I don't have a Maemo based internet tablet? |
| 18:30.37 | v6sa | Meaning that I have no experience with those machines |
| 18:30.47 | v6sa | I know what they are and what kind of software they run.. |
| 18:32.05 | VDVsx | v6sa, programming and some linux experience is enough for some projects, but it all depends on the project requirements |
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| 18:58.39 | _berto_ | "Last.fm Radio will soon require a subscription of €3.00 per month" http://blog.last.fm/2009/03/24/lastfm-radio-announcement |
| 18:58.44 | _berto_ | :( |
| 18:58.48 | Stskeeps | ! |
| 18:59.25 | Stskeeps | then again |
| 18:59.52 | Stskeeps | if it gives access my loved tracks, my radio station, etc |
| 18:59.56 | Stskeeps | then i'm so up for it. |
| 19:00.24 | Stskeeps | for -just- 3 eur |
| 19:00.26 | bjv | damn, wish i had some bt gps |
| 19:00.36 | _berto_ | well, i'm already a subscriber |
| 19:00.40 | bjv | apparently mm rules on 770 2008HE |
| 19:00.51 | _berto_ | but there's a lot of users who won't pay that |
| 19:00.58 | bjv | instead all i see is crappy microB |
| 19:01.01 | Robot101 | Stskeeps: I actually read it and thought, hrm I guess I use adblock and I always use a client and not the website, so I should probably subscribe :) |
| 19:01.26 | Stskeeps | Robot101: i have been considering to subscribe for quite a while after i got a taste of "My loved tracks" |
| 19:01.51 | Stskeeps | and the fact i can legally take my mp3 collection along on last.fm through my library |
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| 19:05.09 | RST38h | b-b-bback |
| 19:06.56 | timelE61i | bJv: what's your beef? |
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| 19:08.07 | jpt9 | Hey. |
| 19:08.23 | jpt9 | Has anyone tried the Brando Mini Bluetooth Keyboard (here: http://usb.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?prod_id=00791&cat_id=034&dept_id=015 ) before? |
| 19:08.31 | jpt9 | I'm thinking of getting one for my 770. |
| 19:08.38 | bjv | timelE61i: microB cant really function on only 64MB ram |
| 19:08.52 | jpt9 | (There was an earlier, identically-named Bluetooth keyboard from Brando earlier, which is all I can find reviews of...) |
| 19:08.57 | Stskeeps | bjv: 2008HE is a bit of a ram taker, too |
| 19:09.20 | bjv | Stskeeps: ive shut down alot of stuff like the media crawler |
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| 19:09.44 | bjv | right now im looking at tear, considering un-installing the stock browser |
| 19:09.45 | qwerty12_N800 | bjv: if it's any consolation, you don't get major improvements on a n8x0 |
| 19:09.58 | timelE61i | bJv: so... |
| 19:10.04 | timelE61i | You're not being fair |
| 19:10.11 | bjv | and maybe downgrading osso-xterm to an older version. |
| 19:10.12 | timelE61i | Microb isn't given 64mb of ram |
| 19:10.25 | timelE61i | The os/platform eats a huge chunk of that |
| 19:11.03 | bjv | timelE61i: imma try tear/webkit, then try microB without the realmedia plugin |
| 19:11.32 | timelE61i | realmedia ?? |
| 19:11.53 | timelE61i | If you mean the default plugin, the description is to make web sites happy |
| 19:11.53 | Stskeeps | has a realmedia "default media" plugin too |
| 19:12.00 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 19:12.50 | timelE61i | same reason ie used to have mozilla in the ua.. |
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| 19:18.01 | timelE61i | out of curiosity.... Do you use any home applets? |
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| 19:22.10 | JamieBennett | I have also volunteered to help out with the website |
| 19:22.10 | JamieBennett | doh wrong chat window :D |
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| 19:41.09 | RST38h | is finall removing fingerprint access manager |
| 19:41.15 | RST38h | s/finall/finally |
| 19:44.02 | joyrider | where can i get a-gps for the n810 from ? i tried the nokia betalabs .install file but it says it can't find packet agps-ui |
| 19:45.05 | lcuk | joyrider, i think its available from standard maemo extras repo |
| 19:45.22 | lcuk | RST38h, have you left the multimedia buttons |
| 19:45.28 | joyrider | hmm weird don't see it listed in package manager |
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| 19:45.39 | qwerty12_N800 | joyrider: it's available from application manager if you have the nokia repos enabled (and they should be by default) |
| 19:46.03 | joyrider | yeah i might have messed that up by going to gronmayer site |
| 19:46.15 | joyrider | lemme check if they are enabled |
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| 19:51.15 | lcuk | hahaha http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/2379/84094790.jpg |
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| 19:55.55 | Stskeeps | http://www.pocketables.net/2008/11/mintpass-unveil.html <- neato |
| 19:58.05 | lcuk | Stskeeps, thats extremely nice |
| 20:00.11 | joyrider | ah figured out the problem, the repos on the gronmayer's repos site where set to chinook instead of diablo changed it and it's availible now |
| 20:00.25 | aquatix | Stskeeps: that's rather cheap too |
| 20:00.31 | fireun | windows ce, what a mistake |
| 20:00.34 | Stskeeps | now if it is hackable... |
| 20:00.34 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:00.52 | lcuk | it already looks like its runnin liqbase :D |
| 20:00.57 | keesj | 320x240.. |
| 20:01.07 | Stskeeps | still |
| 20:01.14 | Stskeeps | i could find uses for it |
| 20:01.31 | lcuk | its tiny though keesj, just to keep a few around to just mess with |
| 20:02.09 | keesj | at such a privce I would pics some ramdom hackable personal navigation device:p |
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| 20:02.42 | fireun | what distinguishes it from all the others? |
| 20:02.44 | keesj | liqbase is better anyway |
| 20:02.53 | fireun | might as well get a DS |
| 20:03.05 | keesj | indeed DS... |
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| 20:03.22 | lcuk | what a damned fine idea |
| 20:03.30 | lcuk | anyone know if ds supports xv ;) :D |
| 20:03.35 | keesj | :P |
| 20:03.36 | aquatix | :) |
| 20:04.00 | keesj | it doesn need X and now big screen so things must be just fine |
| 20:04.18 | fireun | like what? |
| 20:04.30 | fireun | hmm |
| 20:04.36 | fireun | lag |
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| 20:10.33 | lcuk | keesj, i need yuv at this point though |
| 20:10.49 | lcuk | puts liqbase on a kindle |
| 20:11.44 | aquatix | heh, interesting |
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| 20:12.47 | bjv | well that was pretty hacky. |
| 20:13.09 | bjv | libwebkit depends on libglib2 osso10 build |
| 20:13.13 | bjv | which is not on chinook. |
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| 20:13.49 | bjv | so we --ignored-dependencies, and regressed through old versions until we got one that didnt immediatly crash. |
| 20:15.20 | Stskeeps | 770's are funny :P |
| 20:17.01 | joyrider | how long does searching for satelites take generally |
| 20:17.14 | lcuk | Stskeeps, funny haha, or funny i'm sure i had an arm there before |
| 20:17.33 | lcuk | joyrider, depends on many things |
| 20:17.49 | lcuk | clear view of a clear sky is best |
| 20:18.03 | lcuk | i once left mine trying to lock all afternoon |
| 20:18.24 | lcuk | when i came back popped the battery and tried again from same location it found em almost instantly |
| 20:18.25 | joyrider | hmm so it doesn't work inside the house then |
| 20:18.33 | joyrider | hmm weird :) |
| 20:18.43 | lcuk | can you see the sky from where your nokia is |
| 20:18.43 | Stskeeps | the GPS only works when there's a full moon and your guardian cheese is out to get aired. |
| 20:18.51 | lcuk | and i dont mean a tiny sliver if you crane your neck |
| 20:19.22 | joyrider | i can see the sky yes |
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| 20:19.25 | lcuk | Heman has the right idea: "as i hold aloft my magic n810 and say 'By the power of greyskull' |
| 20:19.32 | lcuk | he-man |
| 20:19.45 | joyrider | according to maemo mapper it found 11 satellites but no fix |
| 20:19.47 | lcuk | is it cloudy |
| 20:19.54 | joyrider | can't see it's too dark :) |
| 20:19.58 | lcuk | oh |
| 20:20.01 | lcuk | theres your problem |
| 20:20.04 | lcuk | it only works in the daytime |
| 20:20.09 | joyrider | for real ? |
| 20:20.15 | lcuk | you have to be able to SEE the sky |
| 20:20.23 | lcuk | if you can't see it how do you expect the nokia |
| 20:20.47 | lcuk | what signal strength are those sats |
| 20:21.42 | joyrider | if you mean those bars with a number above them : 23/24 and 26 |
| 20:22.07 | lcuk | the number is its ID i think, are the bars only small |
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| 20:22.17 | lcuk | im joking about the nighttime thing btw |
| 20:22.23 | joyrider | ah thought so :p |
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| 20:22.53 | joyrider | well i'm not certain how long they should be it's first time i tried the gps (again) since i couldn't get it to get a fix earlier tries |
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| 20:26.04 | joyrider | oh it just got a fix |
| 20:26.06 | joyrider | hell yeah |
| 20:26.32 | joyrider | signal quality SPS (what does sps stand for ?) |
| 20:26.52 | joyrider | fix quality i mean |
| 20:27.39 | lcuk | dunno, but you got a fix! |
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| 20:28.24 | joyrider | true :) |
| 20:28.30 | Jaffa | yawns |
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| 20:30.47 | lcuk | ello TrueJournals \o ltns |
| 20:31.15 | TrueJournals | Hello |
| 20:31.19 | lcuk | jaffa is your baby making you more tired |
| 20:31.30 | lcuk | or are you gettin a bit more sleep nowadays |
| 20:31.41 | Jaffa | lcuk: Not too bad |
| 20:32.05 | lcuk | how are your nipples now, have they settled down :P |
| 20:32.23 | Jaffa | She's with my mother today, and 3 year old and missus came down to London, I had afternoon off, and we did touristy things like London Eye |
| 20:32.40 | lcuk | :D |
| 20:32.42 | lcuk | bonus |
| 20:33.09 | Jaffa | On train now and knackered. Beer and steak in Wetherspoons was good, tno |
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| 20:33.33 | lcuk | you let your 3yo have beer n steak! |
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| 20:33.47 | Jaffa | :) |
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| 20:40.01 | TrueJournals | Well, there sure is an intriguing conversation being held in here... |
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| 20:40.17 | TrueJournals | :P |
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| 20:40.48 | lcuk | heh TrueJournals yeah busy little beavers |
| 20:41.07 | lcuk | how have you been |
| 20:41.24 | TrueJournals | Been alright... busy with school :P |
| 20:41.37 | Stskeeps | TrueJournals: you like doing control panel like stuff btw? |
| 20:41.39 | TrueJournals | And yourself? New version of liqbase coming soon? :P |
| 20:41.59 | TrueJournals | Stskeeps: Haven't done much work with much of anything... |
| 20:42.07 | lcuk | im great, most tihngs that i want are coming together nicely and yeah it will be i think :) |
| 20:42.24 | lcuk | you have seen the "new" video havent you |
| 20:42.34 | TrueJournals | Uhh... maybe... how new is it? |
| 20:42.48 | lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY |
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| 20:42.50 | lcuk | that one |
| 20:44.00 | lcuk | has anyone used ccache |
| 20:44.19 | TrueJournals | Yup :D Looks awesome (re: video) |
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| 20:46.05 | lcuk | yeah it does, im making it work with same kind of stability as before and then i can get everything into it and more (all the stuff i couldnt do before are seemingly available now) |
| 20:46.12 | lcuk | hopes he hasnt missed anything |
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| 20:46.42 | TrueJournals | Stskeeps: What did you have in mind...? |
| 20:47.00 | Stskeeps | TrueJournals: ah, we're just starting slowly to start working on control panels for mer |
| 20:47.05 | TrueJournals | Ah |
| 20:47.14 | Stskeeps | we can do them in python, we have one in perl already and zenity, heh |
| 20:47.29 | TrueJournals | Hooray for mixing languages |
| 20:47.46 | qwerty12_N800 | technically, the control panel applet isn't in perl |
| 20:48.50 | lcuk | perl is just there to throw you off track, the perl script runs, extracts the soruce and ocmpiler, rebuilds a new applet out of macro ASM, runs it and destroys it again, and the code is shaped like a cog |
| 20:49.02 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.21 | lcuk | told you, fingers too fast |
| 20:51.33 | summatusmentis | stupid question, is maemo still the 'best' option for the n8x0 tablets in terms of OS? |
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| 20:52.03 | TrueJournals | summatusmentis: I would say so, yes... |
| 20:52.16 | summatusmentis | TrueJournals: hrm |
| 20:52.18 | inz | Depends, obviously, on what you want to do with it |
| 20:52.18 | TrueJournals | Though, others might disagree with me... |
| 20:52.39 | summatusmentis | inz: well, yeah, clearly |
| 20:54.27 | summatusmentis | does ubuntu work at all? or is there still the issues with drivers? |
| 20:54.27 | TrueJournals | "What needs work: |
| 20:54.27 | TrueJournals | *Sound |
| 20:54.27 | TrueJournals | *Usplash (as a replacement for omap-fb-splash)" |
| 20:54.27 | TrueJournals | Seems like it's just sound that isn't working... http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27735 |
| 20:54.54 | summatusmentis | hrm... contemplating reviving my n810 over purchasing a netbook |
| 20:55.01 | summatusmentis | but I found the maemo interface annoying |
| 20:55.52 | TrueJournals | Annoying how? |
| 20:56.03 | summatusmentis | just not intuitive |
| 20:56.16 | summatusmentis | and lacking apps, but that's not interface related |
| 20:56.33 | summatusmentis | that said, when I tried debian, it was way too desktoppy for me |
| 20:58.31 | Stskeeps | summatusmentis: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-ui3.png , work in progres |
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| 20:58.59 | summatusmentis | Stskeeps: I'm just looking at the mer wiki page |
| 20:59.43 | summatusmentis | Stskeeps: is it usable? |
| 21:00.00 | Stskeeps | not 1.0 yet (day to day usable) :P |
| 21:00.34 | summatusmentis | heh |
| 21:00.53 | summatusmentis | maybe I'll look into after $mayhem_application_period ends |
| 21:02.15 | summatusmentis | and there's nothing like the ubuntu netbook edition running or anything? |
| 21:02.32 | Stskeeps | would take too much cpu/mem/etc :P |
| 21:02.49 | summatusmentis | right, that's kinda what I thought |
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| 21:03.17 | summatusmentis | has the app depth increased with maemo proper? |
| 21:03.31 | timeless_mbp | cries |
| 21:03.40 | summatusmentis | word processing, browser speed up, etc. |
| 21:03.48 | timeless_mbp | wonders if the vpn client works in mer |
| 21:06.13 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: if it works in ubuntu :P |
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| 21:11.25 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 21:11.48 | timeless_mbp | ever played kwarto? |
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| 21:18.33 | qwerty12_N800 | ~seen hannesw |
| 21:18.53 | infobot | hannesw <n=hannes@chello062178166147.12.14.vie.surfer.at> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 21d 23h 8m 44s ago, saying: 'lcuk: i seem to remember that glxgears performance is not really relevant, it's just some weird problems deep down in the drivers, and the x.org folks will eventually sort it out, but not in the near future...'. |
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| 21:19.08 | qwerty12_N800 | bollocks |
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| 21:27.12 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: so..... vpnc + vpnc-gui works |
| 21:27.23 | timeless_mbp | but networkmanager won't show me any vpn stuff |
| 21:28.25 | Stskeeps | mm, dunno - my vbox instance is a bit destroyed right now |
| 21:28.46 | Stskeeps | would surprise me it doesn't have connect to a VPN in the menu though |
| 21:29.41 | Pavlov | hrmp |
| 21:29.41 | timeless_mbp | err? |
| 21:29.41 | timeless_mbp | it does have an item |
| 21:29.41 | timeless_mbp | but the dialog (general prefs) doesn't enable 'add' |
| 21:29.56 | Stskeeps | ah |
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| 21:32.52 | timelE61i | uH oh |
| 21:33.02 | timelE61i | Something broke my mbp |
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| 21:33.16 | Stskeeps | wasn't me! |
| 21:33.16 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 21:37.06 | summatusmentis | Stskeeps: so mer is based on ubuntu? presumably binary compatible? |
| 21:37.29 | Stskeeps | yeah, it is based on ubuntu, it's a bunch of packages overlaying, so you have most of ubuntu repository |
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| 21:37.45 | Stskeeps | and when i say ubuntu, i don't mean based on the n8x0 ubuntu port :P |
| 21:37.53 | Stskeeps | (which is actually based on mer..) |
| 21:37.56 | summatusmentis | Stskeeps: no, vanilla ubuntu arm |
| 21:38.12 | summatusmentis | is there more info on it than the wiki? |
| 21:38.20 | Stskeeps | and it is actually fairly binary compatible with maemo as well |
| 21:38.53 | Stskeeps | there's maybe the lwn and linuxdevices article and then the wiki, and that's that :P |
| 21:38.59 | summatusmentis | I don't care as much about maemo, because a lot of what I wanted was ported anyway |
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| 21:41.00 | summatusmentis | is it finger friendly? |
| 21:41.16 | Stskeeps | mer? yeah |
| 21:41.22 | Stskeeps | it is based off hildon, so |
| 21:41.41 | summatusmentis | so mostly |
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| 21:44.43 | gnuton | hello guys |
| 21:44.58 | Stskeeps | lo gnuton |
| 21:45.13 | lbt | hi |
| 21:45.26 | lbt | good catch on the close |
| 21:45.37 | lbt | I totally forgot about the menu interaction! |
| 21:45.38 | timeless_mbp_ | Stskeeps: can i install virtualbox drivers into mer? |
| 21:45.51 | gnuton | hei Stskeeps, lbt :D |
| 21:45.59 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp_: i actually never tried but i would assume it's possible.. if it being jaunty doesn't break it |
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| 21:49.14 | lbt | gnuton: have you uploaded 445 to extras-devel? I've noticed some differences in behaviour between the autobuilt Qt and my locally sbox built Qt (sbox works, autobuilder doesnt) |
| 21:49.46 | gnuton | lbt: which kind of differences? |
| 21:50.15 | lbt | mouse events and tablet events |
| 21:50.30 | lbt | my gesture code stopped working |
| 21:50.37 | gnuton | O_o |
| 21:50.45 | lbt | so I investigated and found I wasn't getting MouseMove |
| 21:50.51 | lbt | I was getting TabletMove |
| 21:51.00 | gnuton | O_o |
| 21:51.05 | Stskeeps | TabletMove? |
| 21:51.05 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:51.14 | lbt | however, when I did a manual configure |
| 21:51.19 | lbt | (same options) |
| 21:51.30 | lbt | and just copied the QtGui.so |
| 21:51.38 | lbt | it was perfect |
| 21:52.17 | gnuton | lbt: TabletEvent in order to get the pressure event. |
| 21:52.26 | lbt | I thought so |
| 21:52.45 | lbt | but it's supposed to be followed by a MouseMove |
| 21:52.45 | gnuton | lbt: I don't know how your program works.. but filter them are pretty simple... |
| 21:52.48 | lbt | if not accepted |
| 21:53.11 | lbt | nah |
| 21:53.24 | lbt | this was a behaviour change from 4.4 to 4.5 |
| 21:53.36 | lbt | and it only happened on the extras-devel build |
| 21:53.55 | lbt | my scratchbox build behaved as 4.4 |
| 21:54.15 | lbt | I'm only mentioning it at this point |
| 21:54.24 | lbt | in case you heard/hear of similar things |
| 21:54.42 | lbt | I'll narrow it down more before I report it :) |
| 21:55.06 | gnuton | The 4.4 was okay.. |
| 21:55.10 | lbt | yes |
| 21:55.19 | gnuton | so if there are some changes on Qt 4.5 it could be a bug. |
| 21:55.24 | lbt | my gesture code is quite funky |
| 21:55.30 | lbt | yes but |
| 21:55.40 | lbt | my build of 4.5 was fine |
| 21:55.48 | lbt | so *if* there is a bug |
| 21:56.07 | lbt | it *may* be in the debianisation or rather maemoisation |
| 21:56.26 | lbt | eg the ./configure failure because of bash-ism |
| 21:56.29 | gnuton | which package version are you using? |
| 21:57.29 | lbt | err - looking for the right dpk- command |
| 21:57.47 | gnuton | hops It's right:P youa are using self-compiled libs :P |
| 21:58.03 | gnuton | haha I'm a bit multi tasking this evening. |
| 21:58.34 | lbt | always! |
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| 22:08.49 | hooey | I've got scratchbox 2, and it can't run /usr/share/colormake/colormake.pl, even though it's in my regular path, and my sb2 path in ~/.maemo-sdk |
| 22:09.02 | hooey | In both rootstraps. |
| 22:09.19 | lbt | gnuton: just got maemo2 and the problem has gone. |
| 22:09.38 | gnuton | lbt: great. |
| 22:09.47 | lbt | but maemo2 hasn't got the closeEvent fix has it? |
| 22:09.55 | gnuton | no |
| 22:09.59 | lbt | good |
| 22:10.43 | gnuton | the maemo2 and maemo3 have still the closeEvent bug :( |
| 22:10.57 | gnuton | the maemo3 will be ready tomorrow around the noon |
| 22:11.22 | lbt | OK - BTW .... why '8' ? |
| 22:11.42 | gnuton | 8= |
| 22:11.44 | gnuton | ? |
| 22:11.46 | gnuton | 8? |
| 22:12.07 | lbt | your fix... |
| 22:12.52 | lbt | QVarLengthArray<Atom, 8> newAtoms; |
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| 22:13.27 | gnuton | I'm not sure about that 8. |
| 22:13.47 | gnuton | but I think that it's enought sett it to 8.. |
| 22:13.58 | gnuton | usually we have only 4 properties |
| 22:14.27 | gnuton | if I don't set it, Qt prealloc 256 T items... |
| 22:14.38 | gnuton | and it's too big.. |
| 22:15.26 | lbt | ah, it's only the hint for the initial size isn't it |
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| 22:18.21 | gnuton | lbt: something similar.. it allocates 8 element in the stack (that is fast) and if needed it allocates the others elements in the heap (slow) |
| 22:18.30 | lbt | yep - read the docs |
| 22:19.14 | gnuton | ;D |
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| 22:21.02 | lbt | do you know what's happening with finger scrolling and things? |
| 22:21.21 | gnuton | what do you mean? |
| 22:21.38 | lbt | have you used shopper? |
| 22:21.44 | gnuton | yes |
| 22:21.55 | lbt | the scrollarea with a big list |
| 22:22.25 | gnuton | I can check it now.. I've the kinetic scroll patch applied on my libs |
| 22:22.28 | gnuton | now :D |
| 22:22.40 | lbt | I heard Qt (or maybe just hildon Qt) would be doing something in this area |
| 22:23.15 | gnuton | I think hildon Qt.. not Qt itself... |
| 22:23.26 | lbt | have you seen my implementation |
| 22:23.31 | lbt | http://repo.or.cz/w/shopper.git?a=blob;f=src/ui/QFingerScrollArea.cc;h=cef4bf4843db707912604110f2a9316554b6e0d8;hb=gestures |
| 22:23.36 | lbt | http://repo.or.cz/w/shopper.git?a=blob;f=src/ui/QFingerScrollArea.h;h=d6c8de69c34d9f199e76856b3dcc4e8ea37657cf;hb=gestures |
| 22:24.26 | lbt | especially : registerChildrenForFingerScrolling() |
| 22:24.36 | hooey | Is there a way to pass a command to execute to "maemo-sdk enter runtime" or "sb2 -e"? |
| 22:25.10 | hooey | Analogous to `ssh some_machine echo '$DISPLAY'`... |
| 22:26.05 | lbt | or "#sh -c" |
| 22:26.13 | gnuton | lbt: how it works? |
| 22:26.21 | lbt | gnuton: magic |
| 22:26.30 | lbt | or "very well" |
| 22:26.33 | lbt | :D |
| 22:26.35 | gnuton | cool |
| 22:26.48 | gnuton | Do you have a video? |
| 22:27.34 | lbt | yes, but it's old and I've improved the feel *a lot* |
| 22:27.37 | lbt | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPQ1VlyMPYU |
| 22:28.21 | lbt | easiest is to install shopper and use a big XML file... I'll send you one if you like |
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| 22:28.52 | lbt | I wanted to see if we could add it to dropdowns too |
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| 22:31.05 | lbt | I haven't bothered optimising mine since I thought someone (you?) was doing something and it would get binned :( |
| 22:31.22 | xnt|kde421 | is trying kde4.2.1 and so far so good :) |
| 22:31.58 | xnt|kde421 | wants kde4.2.1 on n900 (omap3=better preformance) |
| 22:32.08 | xnt|kde421 | kde mobile :P |
| 22:32.16 | lbt | xnt|kde421: been there, done that... |
| 22:32.21 | xnt|kde421 | :P |
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| 22:32.50 | xnt|kde421 | I saw a video of kde 4.0 on an n800 before and it took 5mins for dolphin to open :P |
| 22:32.56 | xnt|kde421 | *n810 |
| 22:33.20 | lbt | which is why we have Mer... |
| 22:33.46 | lbt | Mer = "ubuntu for people who aren't daft enough to run openoffice on an n800" |
| 22:33.54 | gnuton | lbt: I'm using part of the code of Araya |
| 22:34.17 | lbt | Araya? |
| 22:34.25 | gnuton | lbt: the troll |
| 22:34.29 | xnt|kde421 | lbt: kde4.2.1 is not too slow but not very fast either on my xps 600 xceleo.com/setup.html |
| 22:34.34 | lbt | don't know him |
| 22:34.46 | xnt|kde421 | gnuton: ??? whats araya? |
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| 22:35.35 | xnt|kde421 | didn't know about kde4.2.1 until he visited ubuntugeek on a tut on how to install xfce4 on a ubuntu desktop :P |
| 22:35.47 | gnuton | Sorry Ariya |
| 22:35.47 | xnt|kde421 | it was in a sidebar |
| 22:35.49 | gnuton | :D |
| 22:35.56 | xnt|kde421 | is googleing |
| 22:35.57 | xnt|kde421 | :P |
| 22:36.13 | lbt | didn't know about 4.2. until he accidentally upgraded a package in Debian and then had to go the whole hog |
| 22:37.16 | xnt|kde421 | still has to get used to the inverted desktop rotation in kwin, does anyone know how to revert kwins desktop cube control to compiz's ctrl+alt+l/r/u/p? |
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| 22:37.55 | lbt | gnuton: I uses that approach for the gestures |
| 22:38.08 | lbt | FlickCharm ? |
| 22:38.34 | gnuton | lbt: yes. But i've integrated the changes in Qt |
| 22:38.41 | gnuton | http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/11/15/flick-list-or-kinetic-scrolling/ |
| 22:38.49 | lbt | OK |
| 22:39.15 | lbt | can I see the code? |
| 22:39.22 | gnuton | it's crappy |
| 22:39.32 | gnuton | but if you want to help me you are welcome |
| 22:39.37 | lbt | so's mine :) |
| 22:39.45 | gnuton | exactly :D |
| 22:39.46 | gnuton | ahha :D |
| 22:39.49 | lbt | take the good bits of both then |
| 22:40.10 | gnuton | just few minutes... |
| 22:40.16 | lbt | no rush |
| 22:40.20 | gnuton | I'll send to you tha patch |
| 22:40.26 | gnuton | via mail |
| 22:40.28 | lbt | I'd appreciate you taking a look at the approach I used and seeing what you like and what you hate |
| 22:41.11 | lbt | for example. in my approach you can add/remove children and scroll still works |
| 22:41.26 | lbt | as it traps addChild |
| 22:41.38 | lbt | and adds the eventFilter to that child |
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| 22:43.10 | lcuk | lbt, that approach could simply be done once then on something like qttablet and everything within will attempt to use it |
| 22:43.19 | lcuk | might get dangerous though |
| 22:43.53 | lcuk | gnuton, dont you find kinetic with a mouse awkward, on the desktop you just use your mousewheel and never really consider flicking |
| 22:43.58 | lbt | I only look at children of the scrollarea |
| 22:44.16 | lcuk | ahhh - like the checkbox/listitems? |
| 22:44.22 | lbt | yes |
| 22:44.26 | lcuk | cool |
| 22:44.26 | lbt | and even buttons |
| 22:44.51 | lbt | it relies on being able to store and replay events though |
| 22:45.00 | lcuk | in liqbase i just leave those things without a mouse handler, the stroke just falls backwards until it hits a panel with a handler |
| 22:45.14 | lcuk | or a panel thats larger than its parent |
| 22:45.21 | lbt | yes, but the mousedown event, then a small move then a mouseup |
| 22:45.28 | lbt | all have to be played back |
| 22:45.39 | lbt | but down, big move, up |
| 22:45.41 | lbt | doesn't |
| 22:45.42 | lcuk | no, cos buttons and checks listen for Click only |
| 22:45.50 | lcuk | they arent watching for strokes in that manner |
| 22:45.50 | lbt | I go deep |
| 22:45.57 | lbt | they might be |
| 22:46.02 | lbt | never assume.... |
| 22:46.06 | lcuk | yeah i know the playing back i thought i might have to at one point |
| 22:46.12 | lbt | you may add a handwriting widget |
| 22:46.19 | lcuk | i can assume - im in control of the rules right now ;) |
| 22:46.26 | lcuk | then it wont be scrolling |
| 22:46.27 | lbt | tut tut |
| 22:46.30 | lcuk | so it will need to handle it |
| 22:46.35 | lbt | tell him gnuton |
| 22:46.48 | lcuk | ie dont try to do two things with the same box |
| 22:46.58 | lcuk | you are either scrolling or you are writing |
| 22:47.02 | lcuk | cant have both |
| 22:47.16 | lcuk | a user would get confused and frustrated |
| 22:47.17 | lbt | give developers the rope |
| 22:47.23 | lcuk | its not that |
| 22:47.26 | lcuk | you are writing |
| 22:47.31 | lbt | I can tell you use MSoft... |
| 22:47.35 | lcuk | your stroke is entirely used |
| 22:47.35 | lbt | <evil grin> |
| 22:47.46 | lcuk | no, thats just common sense :) |
| 22:48.03 | lcuk | my paper stays still whilst i am writing on it |
| 22:48.33 | lcuk | if in another mode i wanted to move around then that can be handled cleanly as well |
| 22:48.58 | lbt | your are 100% right in an application.... but, IMHO, not in a framework |
| 22:49.00 | lcuk | but anyway, i was trying to support you then \@/ evil psiren man |
| 22:49.31 | lcuk | its not that, there simply isnt a need to ever do something like that, and a dev can stack as many handlers as required |
| 22:49.46 | lbt | well, I do it in shopper. |
| 22:49.46 | lcuk | it does work i just dont see the point ;) |
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| 22:49.52 | gnuton | lbt: patch sent. |
| 22:49.54 | lbt | I have gestures and finger scrolling |
| 22:50.02 | lbt | ta gnuton |
| 22:50.13 | gnuton | :D |
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| 22:50.15 | lbt | btw, gnuton did you get that? |
| 22:50.22 | lcuk | left/right squiggle within a small confined label space vs up/down motion somewhere else |
| 22:50.23 | lbt | I have gestures and finger scrolling in the same area |
| 22:50.31 | lcuk | watch out, apple have patents for directional control like that |
| 22:50.51 | jaem | lcuk, lbt: what's this? |
| 22:50.57 | lbt | I'll show them other tricks I can do with my fingers! |
| 22:51.10 | jaem | came in in the middle |
| 22:51.17 | lcuk | heh |
| 22:51.23 | lbt | Qt and scrolling using fingures |
| 22:51.27 | jaem | ah... nice |
| 22:51.39 | gnuton | lbt: currently that patch is in a very early stage.. |
| 22:51.42 | lbt | wonders what a fingure is? |
| 22:51.51 | lcuk | lbt - with the same stroke if you go from doing a left/right scribble to updown what happens |
| 22:51.55 | jaem | have any of you folks used a fabric keyboard? |
| 22:52.16 | lcuk | no but i type in my sleep occasionally |
| 22:52.20 | jaem | haha |
| 22:52.21 | gnuton | guys I'm very tired.. |
| 22:52.24 | lcuk | and do bugfixes |
| 22:52.30 | lbt | lcuk: it registers an "lrud" gesture |
| 22:52.36 | gnuton | It's time to sleep.. it's about 1 o'clock.:( |
| 22:52.36 | lbt | which is emit'ed |
| 22:52.53 | jaem | I just made a deal with someone on itT to trade a spare BP-4L for a Bluetooth fabric keyboard |
| 22:52.55 | lbt | gnuton: g'night + thanks for the closeEvent() |
| 22:53.01 | b0unc3 | buonanotte gnuton :) |
| 22:53.11 | lbt | look forward to making the scrolling better :) |
| 22:53.13 | jaem | if it works as well as they claim, it sounds like a decent deal |
| 22:53.18 | lcuk | ahhh so you have your stuff just saying "detect gesture" and you have specific handlers for those kinds of gestures depending if you hit the label or not? |
| 22:53.19 | gnuton | lbt: your shopper now shows the Save list when I want to close it! :D |
| 22:53.31 | lbt | \o/ |
| 22:53.39 | lbt | (I can't test that bit!) |
| 22:53.41 | gnuton | b0unc3: hah :D notte a te! :D |
| 22:54.10 | gnuton | lbt: if you want to test it.. and you have compiled the source at least 1 tie |
| 22:54.12 | gnuton | time |
| 22:54.16 | gnuton | you can go in src/gui |
| 22:54.19 | lcuk | gnite gnuton btw :) |
| 22:54.21 | lbt | it's building... |
| 22:54.22 | gnuton | and so run "make" |
| 22:54.57 | lbt | then copy libQtGui.so.4.5.0 :) |
| 22:54.59 | gnuton | you can run make only in the GUI module so that it make onlt the libQtGui.so.4.5.0 |
| 22:55.10 | gnuton | exactly |
| 22:55.14 | lbt | that's how I knew about tabletMove |
| 22:55.16 | gnuton | the use scp to copy it |
| 22:55.21 | gnuton | great! :D |
| 22:55.23 | gnuton | aha :D |
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| 22:55.47 | gnuton | it's sad for me leave you guys... I ove to much stay here.. hacking and talking |
| 22:55.58 | gnuton | but it's time to sleep.. |
| 22:56.01 | lbt | heh - anytime, we'll catch you tomorrow |
| 22:56.02 | gnuton | see you tomorrow |
| 22:56.05 | gnuton | :D |
| 22:56.14 | gnuton | niteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 22:56.16 | gnuton | :D |
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| 22:59.17 | lbt | when's the maemo event this year? |
| 22:59.23 | lbt | have I missed it? |
| 23:00.10 | jaem | lbt: Siberia, and yes |
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| 23:01.04 | lbt | damn |
| 23:01.24 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, September |
| 23:01.28 | GeneralAntilles | There's a thread on -community. |
| 23:01.47 | lbt | thought I'd seen something - couldn't put my finger - ta GA |
| 23:01.55 | jaem | xnt: ping |
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| 23:10.49 | xnt | jaem: pong |
| 23:10.57 | xnt | :P |
| 23:11.09 | xnt | reads the scrollback |
| 23:11.11 | xnt | :P |
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| 23:12.01 | lbt | lcuk: yes |
| 23:13.16 | lcuk | thats cool then lbt, its the same effect, you still only have one handler, you dont really have 2 fighting, except you need to playback when its a different normal stroke |
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| 23:13.28 | lbt | oh, |
| 23:13.30 | lbt | no then |
| 23:13.35 | lcuk | lol |
| 23:13.46 | lbt | I have 2 handlers |
| 23:13.54 | lbt | one for gestures |
| 23:14.01 | lbt | one for scroll area |
| 23:14.07 | lbt | as it happens |
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| 23:14.25 | lbt | I use a widget inside my scrollarea that is being gesture-watcheds |
| 23:14.37 | lbt | my scrollarea does not know this |
| 23:14.50 | lbt | my gesturewatcher does not know it may be scrolled |
| 23:14.56 | lbt | they both work |
| 23:15.02 | lbt | this is goodness |
| 23:15.11 | Pavlov | kicks his n810 |
| 23:15.23 | lcuk | yes, but your scrolling must wait until its got enough information to know its not doing a gesture |
| 23:15.29 | lcuk | Pavlov, send it to me |
| 23:15.32 | lbt | hears pavlovs n810 go ding |
| 23:15.36 | Pavlov | heh |
| 23:15.41 | Pavlov | which one do you want? |
| 23:15.49 | lcuk | all of em :) |
| 23:15.52 | Pavlov | and whats in it for me? ;) |
| 23:15.58 | lcuk | i want a beowulf cluster |
| 23:16.03 | Pavlov | haha |
| 23:16.05 | lcuk | moar liqbase |
| 23:16.13 | Pavlov | not of n810s |
| 23:16.17 | Pavlov | get beagle boards or something |
| 23:16.27 | lbt | lcuk: the gesture gets first dibs |
| 23:16.49 | timeless_mbp | Pavlov: how close are you to the cluster of n810s? |
| 23:16.55 | lbt | on account of the gesture being attached to the widget before the widget is attached to the scrollarea |
| 23:16.57 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/double_tiny.JPG |
| 23:17.05 | Pavlov | i believe we have the highest concentration of n810s on the planet |
| 23:17.21 | lcuk | and NO, my picture does not break rule 34 |
| 23:17.26 | lcuk | or has it just done so |
| 23:17.58 | Pavlov | i have like 5 on my desk |
| 23:18.00 | timeless_mbp | Pavlov: quite likely |
| 23:18.06 | Pavlov | dunno what i'm doing with half of them |
| 23:18.16 | timeless_mbp | although i think qa may have a higher concentration of n800 protos :) |
| 23:18.31 | timeless_mbp | although most of them don't work, and maybe they finally returned them... |
| 23:18.38 | Pavlov | heh |
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| 23:51.42 | lbt | night all |
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