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| 00:00.46 | wazd | It's so exciting to see something you imagine in your head actualy working) |
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| 00:01.15 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 00:01.20 | Stskeeps | soon you'll be able to see mer ui in effect too |
| 00:01.39 | Stskeeps | saw Meiz's variant earlier? |
| 00:02.11 | RST38h | wazd: it may be of some use to make a library of visual components for creating desktop widgets like this |
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| 00:02.19 | wazd | Stskeeps: I guess not |
| 00:02.52 | Stskeeps | wazd: http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/screenshots/oxygen/screenshot03.png |
| 00:02.59 | RST38h | wazd: i.e. an app programmer will be able to show not just the weather but anything he wants using several predefined display methods, with vignetting happenning automatically |
| 00:03.07 | Stskeeps | wazd: (with oxygen icons) |
| 00:03.55 | pinback | wants his jaunty desktop |
| 00:04.03 | Stskeeps | wazd: (that's not a mockup) |
| 00:04.26 | wazd | Stskeeps: nice! |
| 00:04.46 | wazd | Stskeeps: I wonder, why "Mer" icon is normal, and mclose is small?) |
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| 00:04.59 | wazd | RST38h: That's Appe's 100000 API idea |
| 00:05.08 | wazd | RST38h: Apple's*) |
| 00:05.11 | Stskeeps | wazd: well because we're missing the 64x64 pngs :) |
| 00:05.20 | wazd | Stskeeps: aw |
| 00:05.27 | Stskeeps | wazd: http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/screenshots/oxygen/screenshot02.png as well |
| 00:06.44 | Stskeeps | wazd: anyway, once we get the 64x64 png versions from you, me and zenvoid will sit down and put together the template, theme, etc stuff, so it is installable :) |
| 00:06.59 | RST38h | wazd: well we won't need that many :) |
| 00:07.13 | Stskeeps | wazd: really impressive how we can make things look already |
| 00:07.36 | wazd | Stskeeps: That's really nice |
| 00:07.54 | wazd | Stskeeps: Wait I'll make 64x64 icons |
| 00:08.09 | Stskeeps | wazd: and i keep on wondering why noone has headhunted you yet :P |
| 00:08.16 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, is that package available for 0.9? :P |
| 00:08.26 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, can we get bigger versions of the background and splash images? |
| 00:08.41 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i have a 1600x1200 somewhere |
| 00:09.08 | Stskeeps | (we really need to start collecting the artwork a central place..) |
| 00:10.13 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: Max I have is 1920x1200 |
| 00:10.25 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, you don't have any idea what kind of a nightmare it was trying to get just the maemo.org logo artwork together. |
| 00:10.56 | GeneralAntilles | So, apparently, blanking the screen on the Mini 9 does not include turning the backlight off. :\ |
| 00:11.09 | Stskeeps | DSME is needed, heh |
| 00:11.16 | Stskeeps | or something to manage backlight |
| 00:13.30 | wazd | Stskeeps: As I understand it will resize 64x64 to 48x48? |
| 00:13.41 | Stskeeps | wazd: yes |
| 00:13.46 | RST38h | Just use svg folks |
| 00:13.58 | Stskeeps | RST38h: ironically the svg loader is closed source |
| 00:14.04 | Stskeeps | at least the nokia one |
| 00:14.04 | wazd | Stskeeps: so I just need to resize 48x48 to 64x64?) |
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| 00:14.22 | RST38h | It is one component you can find in open source :) |
| 00:14.43 | Stskeeps | wazd: if that works for a graphics person.. if it resizes correctly, i guess |
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| 00:15.04 | wazd | I wonder how these guys prototype their UI's http://www.tat.se/ |
| 00:15.07 | Stskeeps | wazd: do you use PS or vector graphics btw? (out of curiousity) |
| 00:15.17 | wazd | Stskeeps: both |
| 00:15.37 | Stskeeps | if you have possibility to export svgs that always helps too |
| 00:15.58 | wazd | Stskeeps: but prefer to use PS to make pixel-perfection) |
| 00:15.59 | RST38h | wazd: AFAIK, Samsung uses Flash for its production UIs |
| 00:16.02 | Stskeeps | wazd: hehe |
| 00:16.10 | RST38h | wazd: So, no only they prototype in flash... |
| 00:17.52 | pinback | even ledd broken dependencies with ubuntu-desktop now - guess they are changing things on the repo right now |
| 00:18.02 | pinback | s/ledd/less/ |
| 00:18.13 | pinback | damn u infobot |
| 00:18.49 | pinback | s/damn/thank/ |
| 00:19.24 | wazd | Stskeeps: check your email) |
| 00:20.08 | wazd | RST38h: then I wonder how they make that 3d stuff :) |
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| 00:22.52 | StsN800 | wazd, gmail? |
| 00:23.07 | wazd | Stskeeps: yep |
| 00:23.29 | RST38h | wazd: isn't there some pseudo-3d extension to flash? |
| 00:23.44 | RST38h | prolly using opengl es as backend |
| 00:24.01 | StsN800 | wazd, k, waiting for it |
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| 00:27.03 | StsN800 | wazd, much appriciated:) |
| 00:27.20 | StsN800 | now we can start hacking |
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| 00:29.54 | yigal | I'm so glad I bought a NIT it has made me aware of what level of a community can be obtained with the marriage between proprietary and open source software |
| 00:30.32 | RST38h | aka the Unholy Community (tm) |
| 00:30.50 | yigal | lol |
| 00:31.46 | benson_ | yigal: this is the only place I've seen it work out this well. |
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| 00:33.08 | yigal | android seems strange so far, but I guess I shouldn't judge and should just see what happens in the next year or so |
| 00:33.42 | yigal | android/tmobile/g1 this bag of goodies, sorry that's what I mean, not just android by itself |
| 00:35.40 | yigal | owell I hope maemo/nit etc. keeps on living for a long time, quality stuff |
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| 00:37.04 | q0s | hey guys |
| 00:37.21 | q0s | is there a fix for the pidgin protocol issue? |
| 00:37.42 | q0s | liboscar think it is too old |
| 00:40.38 | wazd | liboscar fell into midage crisis :D |
| 00:41.18 | wazd | Ok, see ya tomorrow guys, time to sleep! |
| 00:42.07 | q0s | bye :) |
| 00:42.16 | q0s | no one else? |
| 00:50.35 | q0s | okay, if someone needs to know: you can replace the liboscar.so.0.0.0 with the one from http://packages.debian.org/sid/armel/libpurple0/download . it works fine for me |
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| 00:51.37 | lcuk | curses and moans that babylon 5 night finshed 5 minutes before the end of the movie |
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| 00:57.50 | RST38h | "The rate at which SCP-088 is able to kill, liquefy, and ingest its victims is astonishing. 3km livestock tests consisting of 5000 animals were consumed by SCP-088 in under 30 seconds." |
| 01:01.27 | pupnik | you win for wierd |
| 01:04.59 | GeneralAntilles | banks head on desk. |
| 01:05.07 | GeneralAntilles | s/banks/bangs/ |
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| 01:11.32 | b-man | may have found out why ubuntu-desktop is broken; https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-February/000541.html |
| 01:12.54 | b-man | doesn't quite make sense though - that message was submited on the 27th of february |
| 01:13.09 | b-man | :P |
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| 01:26.22 | pinback | has his fingers crossed |
| 01:27.31 | pinback | bah repos still broken! |
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| 01:36.57 | pinback | only 15broken depends now |
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| 01:37.23 | pinback | but I see nautilus etc there so its not gonna fly |
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| 01:57.15 | pinback | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 01:57.20 | pinback | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:57.51 | pinback | Thats the problem - a log of the gonome stuff needs a lib with a lower version thats not in the repos |
| 01:57.55 | pinback | s/log/lot/ |
| 01:59.23 | pinback | any way to force? |
| 02:02.41 | b-man | apt-get install libgnome2-common=2.26 - i believe |
| 02:03.39 | b-man | pinback: btw, i think that the reason why ubuntu-desktop and sevral gnome related stuff is broken is because the ubuntu jaunty repository is undergoing a large update |
| 02:04.33 | b-man | so the ubuntu-desktop problem (should) be resolved soon ;) |
| 02:04.35 | pinback | yup - many changes today |
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| 02:05.58 | pinback | hmmm I managed to install libgnome-common but that doesnt help resolve the dependency issue |
| 02:06.17 | b-man | hmm |
| 02:07.29 | pinback | how do I say "install but ignore libgnome-common version requirement" |
| 02:08.14 | b-man | not too shure about that :( |
| 02:08.39 | b-man | wonders whare xnt is |
| 02:09.26 | b-man | ~seen xnt |
| 02:09.30 | infobot | xnt is currently on #maemo (14h 29m 18s). Has said a total of 26 messages. Is idling for 13h 38m 37s, last said: 'ok I have to go to school :P'. |
| 02:09.41 | b-man | lol |
| 02:10.22 | z4chh | yo b-man what grade you in again? |
| 02:10.54 | b-man | i'm a sophmore - 10th |
| 02:11.56 | z4chh | ahhh, right! you taking ogt's? >.< |
| 02:12.41 | b-man | Ohio Graduation Tests -yyyyeeesss >.< |
| 02:12.48 | z4chh | rofl :D |
| 02:12.53 | b-man | how did you know??? |
| 02:12.58 | z4chh | i live in ohio o.o |
| 02:13.07 | b-man | :D |
| 02:13.10 | z4chh | and i took the bloody test two years ago |
| 02:13.33 | b-man | just took the science test >.< |
| 02:13.39 | z4chh | i know :) |
| 02:13.45 | b-man | XD |
| 02:13.56 | z4chh | ive got sophomores on my tennis team..they bitch about it |
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| 02:14.04 | b-man | lol |
| 02:14.19 | b-man | they should XD |
| 02:14.26 | b-man | it's horrible |
| 02:14.34 | z4chh | my school has two hour delay for not sophomores ;p |
| 02:14.50 | z4chh | so i go to school like 10:20am...good old sleeping in >.< |
| 02:14.51 | b-man | heh XP |
| 02:14.57 | b-man | lol |
| 02:15.23 | z4chh | what does your school do? regular school? |
| 02:16.01 | b-man | on ogt week? - for upper-classmen yes |
| 02:16.45 | b-man | haves to get up an hour earlier XP |
| 02:16.52 | z4chh | ouch |
| 02:17.03 | b-man | yup :( |
| 02:17.05 | z4chh | ogt's are a joke man |
| 02:17.11 | b-man | indeed |
| 02:17.47 | b-man | z4chh: witch part of ohio do you live in? |
| 02:17.54 | z4chh | i got a sophomore in my ap stat class that got a perfect score on psats...the teacher was jokingly giving him a hard time about ogt math saying "good luck on that" |
| 02:18.10 | z4chh | i live outside of dayton |
| 02:18.25 | b-man | i live outside of toledo |
| 02:18.38 | z4chh | bowling green, ive seen you on forums ;p |
| 02:18.48 | b-man | yup :P |
| 02:18.53 | xnt | b-man: I was bored |
| 02:19.01 | b-man | hehe |
| 02:19.26 | xnt | b-man: I was in gym class and my n819 fell out of my pocket ,and the teacher saw it and confiscated it :( |
| 02:19.27 | b-man | xnt: play some xbox |
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| 02:19.45 | z4chh | b-man, if you are able and want to....do the pseo program, it rocks >.< |
| 02:19.49 | b-man | xnt: that sucks! |
| 02:19.52 | xnt | b-man: http://xceleo.com/ps3.html |
| 02:19.59 | xnt | b-man: I know |
| 02:20.06 | xnt | I miss my nit |
| 02:20.24 | xnt | xnt: now all I have left is a blackberry, no ipod, no n810 :( |
| 02:20.28 | b-man | i feel sorry for you |
| 02:20.37 | xnt | my ipod touch's screen cable broke, bo Im really bored |
| 02:20.42 | xnt | *so |
| 02:20.46 | z4chh | xnt, if i was that teacher, id give you an A for just having an n810 >.< |
| 02:20.53 | b-man | lol |
| 02:20.57 | pinback | b-man: everything for xubuntu-desktop is there - will that work? |
| 02:21.12 | b-man | shure |
| 02:21.18 | pinback | touchscreen etc? |
| 02:21.45 | z4chh | xnt, where do you live? |
| 02:21.54 | b-man | you'll need to remove xserver-xorg-input-synaptic |
| 02:22.09 | b-man | @pinback |
| 02:22.11 | xnt | but on the bright side , My friend let me borrow his ipod touch 2g, so I have something to do :), gotta get a terminal up here, (the iphone/ipods need a maemo port :), maybe Stskeeps will port mer to it oncve they have frivers for it, ) |
| 02:22.29 | z4chh | gotta jailbreak it first >.< |
| 02:22.36 | b-man | hehe |
| 02:22.43 | xnt | *once |
| 02:22.51 | pinback | ok - I can always reformat and try again |
| 02:23.01 | xnt | brb |
| 02:23.29 | b-man | wonders what brb means XP |
| 02:23.56 | b-man | sms code... lol XD |
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| 02:25.40 | b-man | needs to go - i'll be back ;) |
| 02:25.47 | b-man | xnt: lol |
| 02:26.26 | xnt_ipod | hi, the iPod needs a decent irc client :P |
| 02:27.42 | z4chh | the ipod needs to die >.< |
| 02:27.48 | xnt_ipod | ircchon displays '/me' as ACTION :P |
| 02:29.01 | xnt_ipod | z4ch: the iPod is good hardware, just needs an opensource os , and a good kb |
| 02:29.13 | GeneralAntilles | Better to wish for the moon. |
| 02:29.41 | xnt_ipod | /me hates the softkb on ipod, why apple why :P |
| 02:30.25 | xnt_ipod | ga: iphonelinux.org , a Linux port now it needs drivers |
| 02:31.17 | xnt_ipod | brb |
| 02:32.48 | xnt | hates apple's appstore restrictions |
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| 02:33.26 | z4chh | GeneralAntilles, indeed ;p ..you'd have better luck trying to divide by 0 o_o |
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| 02:35.01 | xnt | imagines a world where the n810, er sorry i810 is manufactured by apple *Shudders* |
| 02:36.22 | xnt | ***** Drivers |
| 02:36.36 | xnt | 5 posts before |
| 02:37.49 | xnt | do any of you have web hosting service from these guys? http://mediatemple.net/ |
| 02:39.04 | z4chh | i need to get me an n810 >.< |
| 02:39.16 | z4chh | now that the price has dropped hah |
| 02:39.22 | xnt | ipod touch with a decent keyboard :P I want one of those too bad its only a render http://www.ipodtouchfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103630 |
| 02:39.24 | fireun | need like, you'll die without one? |
| 02:40.10 | pinback | has 25mins until his desktop is installed |
| 02:40.24 | GeneralAntilles | xnt, you want #ipod or something. |
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| 02:40.49 | xnt | lol, ok , nevermind, just wanted to show you all :P |
| 02:42.05 | xnt | hopes that n900 will have multitouch, (fremantle should have multitouch support.) |
| 02:42.49 | xnt | is sick of pressing the +/- keys on his n810, he hates the feel of those buttons. |
| 02:43.01 | fireun | they hate you too |
| 02:43.06 | luke-jr | xnt: http://lightfoot.dashjr.org ;) |
| 02:43.14 | luke-jr | xnt: N810 keyboard sucks :< |
| 02:43.48 | GeneralAntilles | RX-51 is resistive. |
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| 02:45.41 | xnt | GA: :( , it should be at least capacitive |
| 02:46.05 | xnt | luke-jr: :), that game seems familiar... |
| 02:46.29 | luke-jr | xnt: haha, I have VPS hosting too XD |
| 02:47.02 | benson_ | It should have resistive, capacitive, and active digitizer layers, all with no battery impact! |
| 02:47.45 | xnt | luke-jr: too bad I already have a site, and dreamhost plan, my parents won't buy me anything untill my b-day |
| 02:48.33 | xnt | benson: yeah, Im impressed by the maemo power managment. |
| 02:49.11 | xnt | wants maemo power management all his electronics |
| 02:49.43 | xnt | luke-jr: xceleo.com, yeah I know I wrote it at 2AM, it sucks |
| 02:49.52 | GeneralAntilles | xnt, capacitive, like resistive, is a compromise. |
| 02:50.23 | GeneralAntilles | xnt, capacitive is not a better touchscreen technology, it is a different one. One that is inappropriate for devices like the tablets. |
| 02:50.40 | crocogator | why inappropriate? |
| 02:51.18 | GeneralAntilles | crocogator, you know the nice precision that allows people to use desktop programs? Or sketch? Or write notes? Yeah, can't do any of that with capacitive. |
| 02:51.38 | yigal | that's not good |
| 02:51.53 | yigal | not good at all |
| 02:52.04 | GeneralAntilles | It might make sense if we had a radically different UI or a radically different target userbase (say, Apple's) but we don't so it doesn't. |
| 02:52.05 | xnt | GA: OK :)/:(, I can understand... accuracy and fingers only |
| 02:52.26 | GeneralAntilles | Unfortunately there is no perfect touchscreen technology, and resistive happens to be the better choice for our platform. |
| 02:52.51 | yigal | sweet, I know I make the best choices without conscious thought, ahh |
| 02:53.04 | luke-jr | O.o |
| 02:53.13 | GeneralAntilles | I wonder when dneary'll wake up. . . . |
| 02:53.45 | benson | really likes the idea of capacitive+active digitizer, but that's not happening. |
| 02:54.12 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I'd love it if there were some clean, effective way to combine the two. |
| 02:54.22 | GeneralAntilles | Or just a magic touchscreen technology that does everything perfectly. |
| 02:54.33 | xnt | does MicroB support HTML 5? |
| 02:55.20 | xnt | btw GA: neural interface ... maybe on the n1010 |
| 02:55.21 | benson | GeneralAntilles: Yeah, but a sufficiently advanced technology touchscreen would be indistinguishable. |
| 02:55.32 | GeneralAntilles | benson, feel like eyeball-calculating these results? :P http://maemo.org/vote/votes.php?election_id=6 |
| 02:55.43 | GeneralAntilles | benson, :P |
| 02:55.54 | xnt | :P |
| 02:55.57 | yigal | lol |
| 02:56.00 | yigal | that's funny |
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| 02:56.23 | darkblue_B | hello- Ive been polishing my app the last 2 weeks.. and unfortunately am getting some really slow response times from the N800s I have... its a python program using SQLite for 1-3k sized records, served with lighttpd |
| 02:56.34 | b-man | i'm back :) |
| 02:56.58 | GeneralAntilles | The vindictive votes are funny. |
| 02:57.03 | b-man | z4chh, xnt, you guys still here? |
| 02:57.05 | darkblue_B | I was planning to show the N800 as a physically secure source of the data.. but the 2-3 secs per request that I am seeing is making me think otherwise :-/ |
| 02:57.08 | xnt | yeah |
| 02:57.15 | b-man | k |
| 02:57.36 | crocogator | GeneralAntilles: thank you. as always you are very well informed. |
| 02:57.39 | yigal | man I love watching videos on the n800 before I go to sleep, that's just the best |
| 02:57.42 | benson | Oh !@#&*()@!#$&^(&*#$@%^ ! |
| 02:57.50 | xnt | what? |
| 02:57.51 | GeneralAntilles | crocogator, I do my best. ;) |
| 02:57.51 | yigal | lotta love |
| 02:57.53 | xnt | ok brb |
| 02:57.58 | GeneralAntilles | benson, you drop your N810 in the toilet? |
| 02:57.59 | benson | forgot to vote. |
| 02:58.06 | GeneralAntilles | Hahaha |
| 02:58.11 | b-man | lol |
| 02:58.37 | GeneralAntilles | I say we include a Word macro in the next voting email that forces people to vote when they receive it. ;) |
| 02:59.20 | benson | Stupid deadlines sneak up on me; they ought to have a 24h window so I can't procrastinate. |
| 03:00.01 | b-man | joins twitter |
| 03:00.32 | darkblue_B | I ran some python sqlite benchmarks casually, and the reads are just s*l*o*w |
| 03:00.52 | darkblue_B | something about the media? I dont know |
| 03:00.59 | darkblue_B | I'd like to see it work |
| 03:01.05 | darkblue_B | its just not |
| 03:01.53 | GeneralAntilles | I'd be interested to know if any of the non-voting people weren't deliberate. |
| 03:02.10 | crocogator | GeneralAntilles: a lol 4 u http://www.ultimateminority.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/bailoutbonuses.gif |
| 03:02.25 | crocogator | The Little Bar is what people are whining and yammering about |
| 03:02.33 | crocogator | The Big Bar is what they had to pay |
| 03:02.39 | GeneralAntilles | crocogator, it's a sad situation. |
| 03:02.59 | GeneralAntilles | When you're taking it up the ass, you gotta complain about something. ;) |
| 03:03.15 | crocogator | I'd complain about the big painful bar tbh |
| 03:03.55 | xnt | lol |
| 03:04.01 | xnt | im back :P |
| 03:04.09 | RST38h | Funny, I have just been reading this: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/20/nyregion/20siege.html |
| 03:04.17 | xnt | b-man: btw brb means be right back :P |
| 03:04.20 | GeneralAntilles | The banking system being what it is, it makes it a lot harder for the market to limits its punishment to the people who deserve it. |
| 03:04.39 | b-man | xnt: oh |
| 03:05.00 | RST38h | General: Of course, in a situation like this, the only thing a thinking person can hope for is a good show |
| 03:05.22 | RST38h | General: Siege, arson, preferably a lynching or two |
| 03:05.51 | RST38h | This will help the struggling news outlets too, so it is good for economy |
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| 03:06.13 | xnt | b-man: :P? |
| 03:06.16 | xnt | lol ok |
| 03:06.25 | b-man | :) |
| 03:07.05 | xnt | logs into dreamhost |
| 03:07.18 | xnt | im trting out ruby on rails :) |
| 03:07.19 | b-man | xnt: i'm now on twitter :) - bman626 |
| 03:07.22 | xnt | *trying |
| 03:07.31 | xnt | me to |
| 03:08.00 | b-man | xnt1337? XD |
| 03:08.12 | xnt | xnt is taken :P |
| 03:08.22 | z4chh | o.o |
| 03:08.27 | xnt | I made that alternate username in 07 |
| 03:08.30 | xnt | brb |
| 03:09.40 | xnt | ok im back |
| 03:10.04 | xnt | parents are telling me to go to sleep, and no 820 to sneak on irc with :( |
| 03:10.09 | xnt | *n810 |
| 03:10.11 | xnt | :P |
| 03:10.34 | xnt | ipod touch irc client is crap |
| 03:10.49 | xnt | b-man: 0 updates? |
| 03:11.25 | b-man | not atm :( |
| 03:11.56 | b-man | is waiting on the ubuntu jaunty repo |
| 03:11.56 | xnt | ok |
| 03:12.15 | xnt | b-man: do you have a cellphone with unlimited texting? |
| 03:12.29 | xnt | or like 100 txts a month? |
| 03:12.53 | b-man | xnt: no - my cellphone broke :( |
| 03:12.58 | xnt | uses his blackberry+prepaid($150) to update his twitter |
| 03:13.01 | xnt | :( |
| 03:13.15 | xnt | b-man: do you have wifi at school? |
| 03:13.16 | b-man | got droped when i let my sister use it |
| 03:13.46 | xnt | doesn't have a sister or brother to give his nit to |
| 03:13.48 | b-man | xnt: yes, but you cannot do anything without logging in |
| 03:14.00 | xnt | captive portal? |
| 03:14.13 | xnt | or wep encrypted? |
| 03:14.28 | xnt | doesn't have wifi at school |
| 03:14.32 | b-man | knows a person that might have a portal |
| 03:14.46 | b-man | xnt: that sucks |
| 03:15.07 | xnt | no what do you mean, does it redirect you drowser to a login page? |
| 03:15.13 | xnt | *browser |
| 03:15.14 | b-man | is going to a school that isn't even a year old |
| 03:15.20 | b-man | Penta |
| 03:15.24 | xnt | :P |
| 03:15.40 | b-man | xnt: yes |
| 03:16.13 | benson | GeneralAntilles: Doing some quick grep work, there's no Condorcet winner. |
| 03:16.26 | b-man | z4chh: have you herd of penta? |
| 03:16.46 | benson | But candidates 1, 2, and 4 are shoo-ins from "x beats y" comparisons. |
| 03:17.10 | benson | looks to see what names match those numbers... |
| 03:17.43 | b-man | it's one of the biggest technical schools in the eastern united states |
| 03:17.53 | xnt | b-man: http://www.hak5.org/episodes/episode-504, watch it. |
| 03:18.00 | b-man | k :) |
| 03:18.00 | xnt | dns tunneling |
| 03:18.27 | benson | Jaffa, GeneralAntilles, and timsamoff all look like safe bets. |
| 03:18.55 | xnt | got his friend ipod online via usb networking, now when I get my nit back ill do the same with it |
| 03:19.27 | xnt | *friend's |
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| 03:20.20 | xnt | hi tank-man :P |
| 03:20.30 | tank-man | hi |
| 03:21.07 | crocogator | http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/879-Bernanke-Inserts-Gun-In-Mouth.html |
| 03:21.24 | xnt | tanks-man: bad news, I got my nit confiscated by my gym teacher, when it fell out of my pocket :( |
| 03:21.31 | xnt | * tank-man |
| 03:22.00 | benson | Just looking at most "x beats y" ballots for each x vs. all y: The top 5 are Jaffa, GeneralAntilles, timsamoff, sjgadsby, & qole |
| 03:22.02 | xnt | crocagator: :P? |
| 03:22.08 | tank-man | you don't need a computer for gym :P |
| 03:22.15 | b-man | lol |
| 03:22.54 | b-man | sides with xnt |
| 03:23.12 | benson | But everything after the top 3 is close enough to depend on counting method, and the one I'm using is singularly bad, but easily implemented in sh/grep/dc... |
| 03:23.32 | benson | So sjgadsby and qole are _not_ a prediction. |
| 03:24.10 | z4chh | b-man, nope, penta doesn't ring a bell |
| 03:24.19 | GeneralAntilles | benson, hehe, thanks. ;) |
| 03:24.23 | xnt | tank-man: no I keep it in my pocket at all times , I don't put it in my locker (school supplied locks are crap) and I don't leave it in my bag at all :P |
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| 03:25.03 | benson | Here's the script: |
| 03:25.06 | benson | for i in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9; do for j in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9; do grep $i.\*$j.\*0$ ./election.blt|wc -l; done; echo ++++++++p;done|dc |
| 03:25.25 | xnt | b-man: be careful , try not to ssh into you server :P it will flag you as too much dns traffic :P |
| 03:25.28 | benson | (In case anyone's random enough they want to check me... :P |
| 03:25.31 | b-man | lost his ipod by using a crappylocker |
| 03:25.44 | b-man | *crappy locker |
| 03:26.40 | tank-man | hey, I lost my ipod nano cause it was too small |
| 03:27.21 | b-man | lol |
| 03:28.36 | b-man | heh - when i came back to my locker to get my ipod, there was a huge dent in it and it was open :P |
| 03:29.02 | b-man | (the locker) |
| 03:30.39 | b-man | someone was pritty desperate :P |
| 03:30.42 | xnt | :P |
| 03:30.47 | xnt | :P:P |
| 03:30.58 | b-man | :P:P:P |
| 03:31.28 | xnt | ok nite, my parents are threatening to ban me from my computer :( |
| 03:31.33 | xnt | :P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P |
| 03:31.47 | xnt | ok nite, ill try to sneak ok with the ipod |
| 03:31.52 | benson | :P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P |
| 03:31.55 | b-man | :P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P |
| 03:32.02 | z4chh | hah |
| 03:32.03 | fireun | make it stop |
| 03:32.07 | z4chh | xnt, i used to get that all the time |
| 03:32.10 | xnt | :P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P |
| 03:32.12 | xnt | ok ill stop |
| 03:32.23 | b-man | :P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P |
| 03:32.29 | benson | :|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:| |
| 03:32.32 | xnt | b-man: damn |
| 03:32.44 | xnt | xDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxDxD |
| 03:32.49 | xnt | ok nite |
| 03:32.52 | b-man | :P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P: |
| 03:32.53 | b-man | P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P |
| 03:33.15 | b-man | i'm done XD |
| 03:33.38 | benson | probably has the widest irssi window open :P |
| 03:33.54 | benson | My :| line all fit in one line :P |
| 03:34.10 | b-man | lol |
| 03:35.53 | b-man | needs to go - parents are breathing down his back too |
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| 03:50.33 | alex_mayorga_N80 | ~boot-sd |
| 03:50.33 | infobot | i guess boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card |
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| 04:35.21 | wladi | hi |
| 04:36.26 | allen_ | wladi: hi |
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| 05:02.34 | bef0rd | wladi, |
| 05:02.37 | bef0rd | ~flashing |
| 05:02.38 | infobot | i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 05:04.29 | wladi | thanks |
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| 06:25.33 | AStorm | blah |
| 06:25.49 | AStorm | every time I have a hard shutdown (e.g. out of battery) |
| 06:25.59 | AStorm | my charging indicator locks up |
| 06:26.22 | AStorm | and needs gtk icon cache update... |
| 06:27.09 | AStorm | (not just gfx locks up - also the actual indicator) |
| 06:28.28 | AStorm | it might be relevant that I'm usually running Canola when the hard "shutdown" happens |
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| 06:43.26 | Stskeeps | morning |
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| 06:51.02 | wladi | hello |
| 06:51.04 | x29a | hi |
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| 06:51.36 | Stskeeps | oh dear god |
| 06:52.14 | Stskeeps | seems like election results are out |
| 06:52.23 | Mousey | bush, ftw? |
| 06:52.23 | Stskeeps | Winners are Andrew Flegg (Jaffa), Ryan Abel (GeneralAntilles), Tim |
| 06:52.23 | Stskeeps | Samoff (timsamoff), Kees Jongenburger (keesj), and |
| 06:52.23 | Stskeeps | Alan Bruce (qole). |
| 06:52.29 | Mousey | lol |
| 06:52.48 | Stskeeps | (that line break was not intentional) |
| 06:52.48 | benson | Yay! |
| 06:52.56 | benson | I guessed 4/5 right! |
| 06:53.16 | benson | (Including the 3 I was sure about, and one of the ones I wasn't.) |
| 06:53.27 | x29a | elected to do what? |
| 06:53.38 | Stskeeps | x29a: maemo.org community council (sp) |
| 06:53.43 | x29a | ah |
| 06:54.02 | Stskeeps | is happy to see keesj made it in |
| 06:54.11 | x29a | did you want to be part of that? |
| 06:54.19 | Stskeeps | me? fuck no :> |
| 06:54.25 | Stskeeps | spends more time coding than talking |
| 06:54.29 | x29a | ha, great results then ;) |
| 06:55.03 | wladi | eee, i need help... |
| 06:55.13 | Stskeeps | but for the sake of the maemo community, i think this new council will be a plus, as we have great challenges ahead |
| 06:56.18 | wladi | i have a n810 and a desktop pc with ubuntu 8.10...i want update my maemo to Diablo, but i doesn't...use this comand: sudo ./flasher-3.0.amd64 -F RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R |
| 06:56.42 | Stskeeps | wladi: do you follow |
| 06:56.43 | Stskeeps | ~flashing |
| 06:56.44 | infobot | methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 06:56.45 | Stskeeps | ? |
| 06:57.51 | x29a | hm, is infobot broken? |
| 06:57.51 | wladi | yes i did... |
| 06:58.00 | x29a | shouldnt that be a "/me thinkgs"? |
| 06:58.09 | x29a | wladi: and whats the error message? |
| 06:58.48 | x29a | wladi: turn off your device, hook it to the usb, do that flasher command, turn on the device and hold the "switch" button (with little arrow) until its done flashing |
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| 07:00.27 | wladi | fine, i'm trying again, but i don't see a error message |
| 07:00.47 | x29a | in which way does it then not work? |
| 07:00.59 | x29a | you have a terminal or something on your ubuntu machine, right? |
| 07:01.12 | x29a | not just "execute command" |
| 07:01.32 | x29a | and you are in the directory where the image is also (checked the md5 hash and stuff) |
| 07:01.35 | neatojones | he may have to chmod +x the flasher-3.0.amd64 file |
| 07:02.00 | x29a | neatojones: the "error"message which would indicate that is "file not found" |
| 07:02.10 | x29a | but since there is (doubted) no error message, hmm |
| 07:02.14 | x29a | but good point |
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| 07:05.21 | neatojones | I had a good lesson in permission hell a few days ago when I was building debian packages and recursively copied, tar'ed, moved, and untarred several folders (and moved them between partitions with various permissions). It was a nightmare. |
| 07:05.34 | x29a | haha |
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| 07:05.59 | x29a | i always mess up the gentoo tarball regarding the permissions while extracting |
| 07:06.39 | neatojones | I forget which modifiers to use sometimes when extracting or copying. |
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| 07:06.58 | Stskeeps | notes to himself he should probably go to work since his local LAN server is getting packet loss.. |
| 07:07.02 | wladi | yes , i have a terminal and have 777 in the flasher... XD |
| 07:07.21 | x29a | does the flasher start? |
| 07:07.30 | x29a | its gotta say something |
| 07:07.36 | x29a | do you have an amd64 arch? |
| 07:07.44 | neatojones | ;P |
| 07:07.50 | neatojones | hehe |
| 07:09.00 | neatojones | that would be funny |
| 07:09.00 | wladi | hahaha, yes, i have amd64 |
| 07:09.07 | neatojones | s/funny/sad |
| 07:09.19 | neatojones | muh...I screwed that up. |
| 07:09.21 | x29a | wladi: so what does the flasher say? |
| 07:09.27 | x29a | neatojones: ;) |
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| 07:09.54 | x29a | root@x31:/home/bene/Projects/N810# ./flasher-3.0.app |
| 07:09.54 | x29a | flasher v0.8.7 (Oct 17 2006) |
| 07:09.54 | x29a | Nothing to do! |
| 07:10.53 | x29a | wladi: what does your flasher say, when you just start it? |
| 07:11.21 | wladi | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:11.38 | x29a | subimage data length mismatch |
| 07:12.04 | x29a | wladi: md5sum RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 07:12.07 | neatojones | redownload. |
| 07:12.18 | neatojones | wladi: Do you haev N810 or N800? |
| 07:12.19 | x29a | a0738fcc7b556d1c6d49d796b48a7a37 |
| 07:12.21 | x29a | N810 |
| 07:12.24 | wladi | n810 |
| 07:12.35 | neatojones | ok... |
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| 07:12.53 | wladi | redownload?? why?? |
| 07:13.08 | neatojones | Seems like an easy way to try and fix it. |
| 07:13.24 | neatojones | Maybe there is an error in the file. |
| 07:13.38 | neatojones | not flasher, the image. |
| 07:13.57 | neatojones | I could be wrong. But that's what I'd do. |
| 07:14.17 | x29a | wladi: what does md5sum say? |
| 07:14.27 | x29a | easy way to check the consistency |
| 07:14.36 | x29a | ok, off to the pool, bye |
| 07:14.42 | neatojones | pool? |
| 07:14.45 | neatojones | what? |
| 07:14.51 | x29a | swimming, water |
| 07:14.52 | neatojones | what temp is it there? |
| 07:14.54 | x29a | probably girls |
| 07:14.56 | neatojones | I'm jealous |
| 07:14.57 | x29a | inside |
| 07:15.09 | neatojones | ah. Don't go if there aren't girls :D |
| 07:15.19 | neatojones | jk |
| 07:15.20 | neatojones | later |
| 07:15.44 | wladi | fine, i redownload the image |
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| 07:22.44 | wladi | mmm, the md5sum is diferent between the file and the md5sum in the page :P |
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| 07:25.29 | wladi | i think that this is the problem, hahaha, i'm downling the image and will try again |
| 07:27.49 | neatojones | Sounds like the best fix. |
| 07:30.14 | wladi | the problem was between the keyboard and the chair!! i was the problem!! |
| 07:30.43 | wladi | now update to Diablo! thanks!! |
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| 07:37.51 | wladi | now...anyone used the gnupg in the n810?? for encrypt |
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| 07:44.13 | hhahlo | Meiz_n810: moro |
| 07:44.26 | Meiz_n810 | mo |
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| 07:49.38 | L0cutus | re |
| 07:49.55 | kynde | is there a common wiimote driver that people use with NITs? I just ported and debianized the cwiid. It's wmgui needs a bit maemofication but seems to work quite nicely as it is. But before I go further with this, I'd like to know wether there's already a wiimote driver/library that's being used with meaemo devices? |
| 07:50.54 | qwerty12 | There's wiicontrol, a python thing written specially for the tablets. cwiid may benefit those who aren't into python though. |
| 07:52.48 | kynde | I tried the wiicontrol, but I appeared to lack quite a bit of wiimote's features. Maybe I just overlookd (because I'm one of those "not into python"). Anyway, the cwiid seemed to work almost out-of-the box fully. Toggle leds, all input received, accelerometers, sound buzzing, etc... |
| 07:54.01 | qwerty12 | Yeah, that sounds cool, I can't think of anything else except for a old cwiid tarball (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17579) |
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| 07:56.23 | kynde | Yeah, I saw that, but... "open that tar to /" is not a deployment scheme I'm interested in. Besides the cwiid has configure and the works. All I did was added the debian/ dir with basic rules and that was pretty much it. |
| 07:57.01 | kynde | I'll give a go at hildonizing it's control gui a bit. And see what happens. |
| 07:57.01 | qwerty12 | Heh, yeah, I can see where you are coming from :) |
| 07:58.41 | kynde | While we're at it, what about 2D physics engine? (and now should be able to see also where am headed :)) |
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| 07:59.23 | kynde | Yesterday I ported box2d. It's c++, but I can live with that. Works resonably well in n810. Some 30 odd balls bouncing around nicely. |
| 08:00.21 | qwerty12 | Yep, the most excellent numpty physics game for tablets is based on box2d :) |
| 08:01.39 | kynde | right, but do they all just link it in? I mean, I took a peek at tomiphy, and it used it statically. And since I don't see the lib available, I take it that the numpty physics does the same thing? |
| 08:02.47 | qwerty12 | The numpty physics source suggests it does |
| 08:03.44 | kynde | alright. I'm fine it what, although I prefer shared libraries, but what the hell. |
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| 08:15.42 | mgedmin | runs out of disk space |
| 08:15.52 | Stskeeps | too many logs? |
| 08:18.37 | mgedmin | maemo has no logs... |
| 08:18.50 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 08:19.27 | mgedmin | strange: ash keeps no history now |
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| 08:36.10 | x29a | neatojones: did wladi mention what exactly was the problem? |
| 08:36.26 | neatojones | yeah |
| 08:36.49 | neatojones | I think he said there was an error in the checksum |
| 08:36.59 | neatojones | then he said somethign about he typed something wrong. |
| 08:37.08 | neatojones | maybe he downloaded the wrong file. |
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| 08:37.17 | neatojones | wrong version from what he meant to download. |
| 08:38.47 | x29a | okidoki |
| 08:39.02 | x29a | but typically started with "there is no error". i like. not. |
| 08:40.56 | kynde | Is there an easy or atleast somewhat straighforward way hildonize a glade using gtk applet? (is there "hildon glade" or something?) |
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| 08:50.30 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:50.41 | timelyx | yes |
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| 08:55.10 | Stskeeps | morning Jaffa, timelyx |
| 08:55.21 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: and congratulations on the council positin |
| 08:55.22 | Stskeeps | +o |
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| 09:05.16 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: ta |
| 09:06.41 | Stskeeps | is fairly happy with the new council :) |
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| 09:08.25 | b0unc3 | good morning |
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| 09:26.51 | lcuk | congrats new council members!!! :( to those who didnt make it |
| 09:29.30 | lbt | council? |
| 09:30.34 | Stskeeps | yeah, maemo.org council |
| 09:30.48 | lbt | not on maemo.org |
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| 09:32.15 | lbt | hi dneary are the results in? maemo.org is quiet and http://maemo.org/community/council/ doesn't say |
| 09:32.31 | dneary | hi lbt |
| 09:32.42 | lbt | hi :) |
| 09:32.53 | dneary | As I said earlier: http://maemo.org/vote/blt.php?election_id=6 |
| 09:33.01 | dneary | Run the election yourself :) |
| 09:33.21 | dneary | I mailed the results to maemo-community this morning |
| 09:33.44 | dneary | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2009-March/003524.html |
| 09:34.01 | lbt | ah, thanks I was just looking round the web for results, not looked at my maemo folder yet |
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| 09:49.54 | timelyx | dneary: err |
| 09:50.02 | timelyx | i just got a random file, that was mean |
| 09:51.48 | timelyx | oh, and could someone make the community/council/ page not crash my safari? |
| 09:51.49 | timelyx | please? :) |
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| 09:52.58 | dneary | hi timelyx |
| 09:53.09 | timelyx | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/635277 |
| 09:53.11 | dneary | Random file? |
| 09:53.15 | timelyx | the dlt link |
| 09:53.20 | dneary | You got the raw ballots of the election |
| 09:53.23 | timelyx | yeah |
| 09:53.24 | dneary | in .blt formal |
| 09:53.29 | dneary | format |
| 09:53.31 | timelyx | but your sentence didn't indicate that's what it was |
| 09:53.41 | dneary | Ah |
| 09:53.46 | timelyx | which meant my irc client launched safari which dumped a random file on my desktop |
| 09:53.56 | dneary | Any idea what exactly is crashing safari? |
| 09:54.06 | dneary | Does it crash konq as well? |
| 09:54.19 | dneary | Or other webkit-based browsers? |
| 09:54.39 | timelyx | well, 200 stack frames is expensive, but i don't think that's relevant... |
| 09:54.45 | timelyx | basically safari 1 sucks :) |
| 09:55.44 | timelyx | and in case you're curious, i can't run firefox 3 either... |
| 09:56.34 | timelyx | oh weird |
| 09:56.44 | timelyx | didn't realize surplus votes were transfered |
| 09:58.05 | timelyx | so, is the software that did http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2009-March/003524.html open? |
| 09:58.16 | timelyx | because its line wrapping sucks and a bug should be filed :) |
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| 09:59.01 | timelyx | actually, that's not really related to open source, as long as it supports bug reporting :) |
| 10:00.11 | timelyx | so, is a surplus vote any vote from a voter for which each vote they've casted hasn't actually voted for a winner? |
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| 10:14.40 | sp3000 | surplus is when a candidate has >threshold ballots sitting on them afaiui |
| 10:15.42 | timelyx | i'm vaguely considering lunch |
| 10:15.46 | timelyx | oh, actually, yes |
| 10:15.51 | timelyx | since i have a dinner today if i don't screw up |
| 10:15.53 | sp3000 | not too sure which ones get transfered |
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| 10:17.15 | timelyx | i'd hope it's something like: election 2 seats, 3 cands. 5 voters, [1 2 3] [1 2 3] [1 3 2] [1 3 2] [1 2]. everyone voted for 1, and everyone is allowed to vote for 2 candidates, so everyone has their second vote transfered |
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| 10:23.50 | benson | timelyx: No way, that would make too much sense. |
| 10:24.15 | benson | STV, the single means you're only casting one vote. |
| 10:24.21 | sp3000 | I think the idea is the sum stays the number of nonempty ballots |
| 10:24.54 | benson | But if your first choice wins with votes to spare, your vote _may_ get tossed to your second pick |
| 10:25.33 | benson | Or if he gets booted with too few, then your vote _does_ get tossed down |
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| 10:29.32 | timelE61i | bEnson: arg |
| 10:29.46 | timelE61i | So someone else's ballot is randomly chosen |
| 10:30.12 | benson | The way they're doing it, the redistirbution is random, so not even repeatable. |
| 10:30.23 | timelE61i | awesome |
| 10:30.38 | timelE61i | How about we use ... |
| 10:30.50 | timelE61i | dOnald trump's method |
| 10:30.58 | timelE61i | Every candidate is elected |
| 10:31.07 | timelE61i | And every week we fire someone |
| 10:31.37 | timelE61i | When we reach the correct number of people, we stop firing |
| 10:31.37 | benson | IMHO, STV is horribly broken in so many ways. But somehow, it gives us a lot better results than the previous system should, and so it's not apparent how rotten it is. |
| 10:31.49 | benson | timelE61i: I rather like that, actually. |
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| 10:32.10 | benson | Much saner than STV. |
| 10:32.10 | timelE61i | It seems a hell of a lot better |
| 10:32.20 | timelE61i | And the american public agrees w/ it |
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| 10:38.48 | sp3000 | all voting systems are broken, pretty much :) |
| 10:39.06 | Pavlov | heh |
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| 10:45.58 | timelE61i | The only problem w/ trump's system is the potential for too many candidates (not a problem we have) and the management overhead required for the long eection |
| 10:47.15 | timelE61i | Trump can be replaced by american idol/dancing w-stars to support popular vote |
| 10:51.32 | shpaq | is there any way to uninstall orphaned dependencies via apt? |
| 10:51.50 | shpaq | standard apt has autoremove option which is missing in maemo |
| 10:52.32 | timelE61i | i thought app manager would remove junk |
| 10:52.59 | shpaq | timelE61i: if you're installing apps using manager it will |
| 10:53.21 | shpaq | i'm doing it via ssh & apt |
| 10:53.48 | shpaq | i such case app manager doesn't remove orphaned deps |
| 10:57.18 | timelE61i | rIght |
| 10:57.34 | timelE61i | "don't do that" ;) ENOTSUP |
| 10:58.54 | shpaq | maybe is there some logfiles, or some tool which can find such deps? |
| 11:01.11 | Passeli_ | i have same problem as this message -> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27127 |
| 11:01.20 | Passeli_ | cannot start hildon |
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| 11:02.05 | Stskeeps | 'lo vdvsx |
| 11:02.11 | VDVsx | hi all |
| 11:02.39 | VDVsx | we have a new council today :) |
| 11:02.44 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 11:02.58 | Stskeeps | think it's a good one |
| 11:04.33 | VDVsx | some surprises for me |
| 11:05.45 | Stskeeps | think keesj is good to have on the team and qole for understanding the importance of regular applications on the tablets.. |
| 11:05.47 | Passeli_ | at ARMEL target it does work |
| 11:06.39 | boneslaw | rips out his left arm and waves it in the air excitedly |
| 11:06.46 | boneslaw | shoot|! |
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| 11:07.33 | VDVsx | I meet keesj in fosdem, is a very nice guy :) |
| 11:07.36 | Stskeeps | dear god @ the Maemo 5 Reveals its Features thread |
| 11:07.58 | Stskeeps | has skype -ever- declined their old clients to join their network? :P |
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| 11:22.04 | ShadowJK | Are people speculating skype on n8x0 will be killed once "n900" is released? |
| 11:23.05 | timoph | so it seems |
| 11:23.38 | ShadowJK | shall assume you mean that people seem to be speculating |
| 11:23.56 | timoph | you'll be right |
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| 11:43.02 | Stskeeps | ShadowJK: no, on the contrary |
| 11:43.14 | Stskeeps | ShadowJK: that RX-51 won't have skype |
| 11:43.18 | Stskeeps | (and Mer won't have skype) |
| 11:44.44 | benson | Maybe I misunderstood (projecting sanity), but I thought there were two fears. |
| 11:45.07 | benson | Tha RX-51 vgets shiny new Skype, and Mer can't have it |
| 11:45.24 | benson | and that RX-51 vgets no Skype. |
| 11:45.37 | Stskeeps | and that "Mer can't use Skype cos it's 3rd party" |
| 11:45.53 | Stskeeps | like, even the n8x0 version |
| 11:46.02 | benson | Either way, Mer should have OS2008 Skype if anyone wants iut bad enough. |
| 11:46.24 | Stskeeps | yes, it's not really difficult, once we get the Nokia-closed + Mer image distribution going |
| 11:46.36 | Stskeeps | i actually already wrote the script for it |
| 11:47.01 | Stskeeps | benson: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Proposals/Community_Firmware |
| 11:47.13 | Stskeeps | (it is not configured for obvious reasons) |
| 11:48.17 | benson | makes astonishingly many typos when typing lkefthanded and eating pizza... |
| 11:48.56 | Stskeeps | benson: it's trivial to get skype working since nokia pretty much said we can distribute nokia closed stuff using a scheme .. |
| 11:50.01 | benson | Yeah, but Skype doesn't even need that, I think; tablets just come with a Skype downloader, right? |
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| 11:50.35 | benson | So we just get the Skype client from same URL/whatever that uses? |
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| 11:50.46 | benson | hasn't really looked at it. |
| 11:51.38 | lcuk | nicks bensons pizza |
| 11:52.55 | Stskeeps | benson: aye. |
| 11:53.00 | benson | types much straighter now |
| 11:53.19 | Stskeeps | the problem is 1) osso-dsp-modules-rx-44, 2) adobe-flashplayer (don't get me started), and wifi/bt firmware |
| 11:53.44 | Stskeeps | as they are in updates repository (first two), but is 3rd party |
| 11:54.08 | benson | I see |
| 11:54.56 | Stskeeps | and hence we can't legally pass them under the "nokia closed software to nokia tablets" :P |
| 11:55.28 | benson | Adobe can't _possibly_ mind, considering it makes their platform-grip all the stronger, but that's not exactly a license. :/ |
| 11:55.44 | Stskeeps | benson: they can mind if it works like crap :P |
| 11:56.15 | Stskeeps | benson: but for what it's worth, i'm not about to start including guides for mer how to let's say, include flash, or sound (yet), as it would damage the process |
| 11:56.32 | benson | Ah, so Nokia's paying them big money to use it, even though it works like crap already? |
| 11:56.42 | lcuk | get the graphics drivers as well :P |
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| 11:57.55 | benson | likes Java better, simply because it's not associated with evil, broken, horrid binaries. |
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| 11:58.15 | lcuk | its just associated with evil, broken, horrid bytecode :P |
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| 11:59.22 | lcuk | benson, should we go the google way and produce a java framework? |
| 12:00.23 | benson | Why? Google already made one, we can just rip it! |
| 12:00.24 | lcuk | speaking of which, will the android ui sit ontop of any linux? |
| 12:00.47 | lcuk | ie without having to rip out your entire system and start agian |
| 12:00.57 | benson | Could be made to, but AFAIK, nobody's done it yet. |
| 12:01.37 | lcuk | what are the principle apps on android |
| 12:01.49 | benson | You could get at least gvm-level UI continuity, and probably better. |
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| 12:02.26 | benson | IDK, never had an android yet. |
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| 12:02.49 | lcuk | i hear you can buy some from eastern countries - some even interface with asimo |
| 12:03.17 | lcuk | wants a real android :) |
| 12:04.03 | benson | :D |
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| 12:08.32 | lardman | Octave/gnuplot anyone |
| 12:08.34 | lardman | ? |
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| 12:26.33 | xnt | learning ruby :P http://xceleo.com/wl-ruby.png |
| 12:27.02 | thresh | ruby <3 |
| 12:27.21 | xnt | thresh: its a nice language |
| 12:27.31 | thresh | yeah |
| 12:27.39 | thresh | i published some of my projects in ruby |
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| 12:28.49 | Jaffa | yawns a bit |
| 12:28.55 | Jaffa | lardman: enjoying your first day of freedom? |
| 12:29.24 | lardman | dunno, am still getting the emails ;) |
| 12:29.58 | lardman | but yes, am certainly reasonably productive (though that's not actually because I'm not on the council anymore) |
| 12:30.48 | RST38h | moo lardman |
| 12:30.56 | lardman | Stskeeps: did ssvb have any more to say about ARM-side audio for the n810? |
| 12:30.58 | lardman | hi RST38h |
| 12:31.51 | Stskeeps | lardman: no sorry, it's a bit over my head that area :) to me it looks a bit like we can't get around the PCM dsp task |
| 12:31.55 | Stskeeps | but i don't know enough of this area |
| 12:32.26 | X-Fade | lardman: I'm going to shut your email forward down now ;) |
| 12:32.32 | xnt | xnt|atschool |
| 12:32.33 | lardman | well currently that is the problem, but if we could move access to the audio (hw) codec to the ARM side we could free up the DSP completely |
| 12:32.40 | lardman | X-Fade: ok |
| 12:32.52 | xnt|atschool | ok i have to go to school :P |
| 12:34.12 | lardman | As I said yesterday, I wonder how much of the Fremantle dev was done on the n810, and therefore whether they have a kernel driver for the audio hwe |
| 12:34.19 | lardman | s/hwe/hw |
| 12:34.27 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: can i get a quick overview if something like http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Proposals/Community_Firmware (the maemo.org part) is technically plausible on maemo.org servers? - i've written the scripts to make images and all that stuff already |
| 12:36.49 | Stskeeps | it basically takes a mer image, installs debs into it and tar.gz's it up for distribution :) |
| 12:37.42 | lardman | I've wondered about a bare-bones Mer base image which on first boot (& agreeing to EULA, etc.) installs the required Nokia .debs |
| 12:38.08 | lardman | though I guess that wouldn't prevent people installing on a non-Nokia device still |
| 12:38.11 | Stskeeps | lardman: in the long run this solution is better because of wifi firmware |
| 12:38.24 | Stskeeps | which we'll have to put on at some point |
| 12:38.34 | Stskeeps | and without wifi firmware no connectivity |
| 12:38.40 | lardman | yep of course, silly me |
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| 12:39.42 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: I have to catch up with a few things, but I'll check it out.. |
| 12:39.46 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: alright, ta |
| 12:40.09 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: just wanted to push it past you before getting the whole machinery on it :P |
| 12:41.12 | lardman | Stskeeps: how far off a useable image is Mer then? Is there a list of what to install to make it useable? |
| 12:41.36 | Stskeeps | lardman: my first goal is hald-addon-bme really |
| 12:41.42 | Stskeeps | so we can get battery reporting |
| 12:42.01 | Stskeeps | then we can slowly start integrating and making patch recipes |
| 12:42.31 | Stskeeps | lardman: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Common_Packages is how API compatible with Fremantle alpha we are atm |
| 12:43.34 | lardman | thanks |
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| 12:44.31 | Stskeeps | will hopefully be a good place to point Nokia developers to, to help them bring their packages to modern environments :P |
| 12:44.40 | lardman | lol |
| 12:45.16 | Stskeeps | which is one of the purposes of mer |
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| 13:03.45 | mgedmin | supposedly I now have 25 megs free on . |
| 13:03.49 | mgedmin | supposedly I now have 25 megs free on / |
| 13:03.54 | Stskeeps | that's much :P |
| 13:04.07 | mgedmin | will that be sufficient for fennec 1.0 beta 1, which requires 10 megs (according to app installer)? |
| 13:04.22 | mgedmin | jffs2 is like drive space: you can't rely on the numbers |
| 13:07.03 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 13:07.08 | Stskeeps | it can compress so |
| 13:07.23 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: there's been no reply on the 3rd party stuff yet, has there? |
| 13:08.47 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: qgil discussed it a bit recently - we can probably go ahead with the nokia-closed stuff, they're talking to TI about codecs i believe - for now, we can survive with not touching initfs |
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| 13:09.00 | SaBer | Does maemo have screen savers? |
| 13:09.12 | Stskeeps | SaBer: there's a xscreensaver port, but it's a waste of energy.. |
| 13:09.12 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:09.32 | mgedmin | wants the app installer to have categories based on the first letter of the package name |
| 13:09.56 | mgedmin | well, "categories" |
| 13:09.59 | mgedmin | buttons, really |
| 13:10.00 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: but so far the "app" 3rd party stuff is 1) flash 2) skype (has .install and distributable by themselves, depends on nokia stuff), 3) gizmo (deb distributed by them) |
| 13:11.06 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: i'm personally happy with if we get the HW interfacing done, cos that's the most important part :P |
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| 13:42.40 | ymalheiros | lfelipe: hi, can i talk to you about a gsoc project? |
| 13:43.49 | lfelipe | ymalheiros: sure |
| 13:44.01 | ymalheiros | lfelipe: pvt? |
| 13:44.18 | lfelipe | ok |
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| 13:59.50 | mgedmin | jffs2: 25 megs free - 10 megs for fennec = 5 megs free |
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| 14:15.32 | Myrtti | and I wonder which part I'm missing out when I can't setup any msn/icq accounts on the n800 |
| 14:15.53 | Myrtti | I go through the wizard and press finish, and the account isn't in the account list |
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| 14:21.33 | rkirti | Hello everyone. I read the details of the Maemo GSoC idea of integrating Maemo and Hildon with OE. Can someone please give some pointers about where I can get more details on this particular idea ? |
| 14:21.50 | Stskeeps | where did you see this? |
| 14:22.02 | rkirti | Stskeeps, Maemo GSoC ideas page |
| 14:22.41 | rkirti | Stskeeps, it was put forth by Florian |
| 14:22.45 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 14:22.53 | Stskeeps | well i guess poking him could do the trick |
| 14:23.08 | Stskeeps | you can possibly use the huge amount of Mer packages |
| 14:23.15 | Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Common_Packages |
| 14:24.23 | rkirti | Stskeeps, I thought so, but I am not sure of my IRC etiquette knowledge and hence not sure if a general onlooker like me PM-ing a developer is allowable |
| 14:24.40 | rkirti | Stskeeps, thanks for that info |
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| 14:34.50 | boneslaw | genteel rkirti|afk |
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| 15:12.21 | rkirti|afk | boneslaw, you pinged ? wrong person I guess ? |
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| 15:17.03 | boneslaw | i was just praising your politeness |
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| 15:33.34 | derkaiser | I want to know whether there is anyone would be mentor on the project "smart news reader on n800" |
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| 15:37.01 | lcuk_bacon | derkaiser: there is already a news reader for n800, what would make it smart? |
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| 15:37.23 | lcuk_bacon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:46.49 | RST38h | feeds lcuk some more bacon |
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| 15:49.51 | lcuk_bacon | RST38h: i dont need any more bacon. but im always thankful of a topup |
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| 16:06.08 | Woolly-work | I'm having trouble getting a python status bar working, does anyone have any experience in this area? |
| 16:08.54 | Woolly-work | i have installed python2.5-hildondesktop and hildon-desktop-python-loader, have placed my .py application into /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/ and my Desktop Entry file into /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-bar/ |
| 16:09.52 | Woolly-work | the application appears in the Status Bar tab in Panels, but when it is checked, will not appear in the actual status bar |
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| 16:15.31 | Woolly-work | restarting hildon-desktop using /etc/init.d/hildon-desktop stop ; /etc/init.d/hildon-desktop start doesn't make any difference either |
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| 16:22.06 | Woolly-work | can anyone help with a python status bar not loading? |
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| 16:25.09 | Razumihin | Oh those js warnings are annoying. Can't I somehow set file:// as trusted? |
| 16:25.32 | Razumihin | (as you can do on firefox) |
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| 16:34.09 | Woolly-work | has anyone developed python status bar applications? |
| 16:34.47 | qwerty12 | 412b with advanced power and there's a whole thread on the topic on itt |
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| 16:38.20 | prebacon | oinks |
| 16:38.58 | Woolly-work | cheers qwerty12, was just hoping someone would be around just now |
| 16:42.19 | Stskeeps | curious question |
| 16:42.27 | Stskeeps | is my "Charging" screen supposed to be scrolling? |
| 16:43.01 | prebacon | scrolling? |
| 16:43.09 | Stskeeps | yes, it's scrolling vertically across the screen |
| 16:43.12 | prebacon | rolling out of tune? |
| 16:43.33 | prebacon | is this mer or maemo? cos the maemo one is static in the middle |
| 16:43.44 | Stskeeps | maemo. |
| 16:43.58 | Stskeeps | and honestly, it was scrolling across the screen, like when a display is out of synnc. |
| 16:44.07 | Stskeeps | either that or i had too much beer. |
| 16:44.19 | prebacon | yeah, firstrun glitches - ala liqbase? |
| 16:44.28 | Stskeeps | err. maybe. |
| 16:44.33 | Stskeeps | this -really- shouldn't be scrolling. |
| 16:44.40 | prebacon | no, take a vid |
| 16:44.43 | prebacon | is it corrupted? |
| 16:44.49 | Stskeeps | nop |
| 16:44.51 | Stskeeps | just scrolling |
| 16:44.54 | prebacon | take a vid :D |
| 16:45.05 | Stskeeps | too late now |
| 16:45.09 | Stskeeps | i don't want my tablet to die. |
| 16:45.27 | prebacon | i noticed the bootwizard comes up before charging starts |
| 16:45.39 | prebacon | btw, i once managed to get liqbase over the top of the charging screen |
| 16:45.52 | qwerty12 | I've done that a few times with a few apps |
| 16:45.54 | prebacon | it was running as root and drawing directly on the xv overlay and got stuck in a loop |
| 16:45.58 | prebacon | bbl anyway |
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| 16:48.15 | Woolly-work | anyone experienced in python status bar apps? i've installed python2.5-hildondesktop and hildon-desktop-python-loader, and have placed my .py application into /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/ and my Desktop Entry file into /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-bar/. The status bar app shows up in Panel, but doesn't appear in the bar, when it's checked?? |
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| 16:49.50 | qwerty12 | Run the py from a terminal and see if it spits out errors. A pastebin of the desktop file would be nice. |
| 16:49.59 | Woolly-work | python /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/status-bar-app.py doesn't give any tracebacks |
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| 16:50.53 | Woolly-work | status-bar-app.desktop contains: [Desktop Entry] // Name=Status Bar App // Type=python // X-Path=status-bar-app |
| 16:51.04 | qwerty12 | Try python2.5 instead. If you have python-launcher running, it stops console output from being displayed >.< |
| 16:51.16 | Woolly-work | ahh i'll give that a bash |
| 16:52.16 | Woolly-work | python2.5 doesn't give any tracebacks either :( |
| 16:54.21 | Woolly-work | this is a pain |
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| 16:58.24 | Woolly-work | can anyone else offer any suggestions? |
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| 17:01.27 | fireun | tried peanutbutter? |
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| 17:02.32 | Woolly-work | i'm allergic |
| 17:02.34 | Woolly-work | :( |
| 17:03.17 | fireun | we'll you're stuck then |
| 17:03.31 | fireun | add debug messages |
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| 17:04.52 | spsneo | Hi devs I want to contribute to maemo as gsoc student |
| 17:04.57 | spsneo | any dev there to discuss ideas |
| 17:09.55 | VDVsx | hello spsneo, what do you have in mind ? |
| 17:11.40 | spsneo | social app based on open socia |
| 17:11.44 | spsneo | social* |
| 17:12.36 | VDVsx | spsneo, pm ? |
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| 17:12.50 | spsneo | pm means? |
| 17:13.34 | spsneo | VDVsx: pm means? |
| 17:13.37 | VDVsx | spsneo, means private mensage :) |
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| 17:28.06 | bjv | where's a good source for FIASCO images |
| 17:28.21 | qwerty12 | tablets-dev |
| 17:28.47 | bjv | yeah, i tried out 2008HE for the 770 but the diablo/sdk repo isnt very friendly to that |
| 17:29.06 | mikkov__ | Woolly-work: your best bet to debug python status bar apps is to run it in scratchbox |
| 17:29.34 | bjv | without a 3rd party 2008 FIASCO, i guess i might as well reflash & try another dselect-upgrade |
| 17:29.40 | bjv | nothin to loose. |
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| 17:34.26 | GeneralAntilles | bjv, because OS2008HE isn't Diablo |
| 17:34.28 | GeneralAntilles | It's Chinook. |
| 17:34.53 | bjv | also, because the diablo/sdk repo isnt intended to run on the device? |
| 17:35.03 | bjv | it maybe could, though. right? |
| 17:35.14 | GeneralAntilles | Why would you want to? |
| 17:35.22 | GeneralAntilles | There's a reason it's not intended for it. |
| 17:35.38 | bjv | but it ~is all arm-compiled debs |
| 17:36.04 | GeneralAntilles | I wont argue with you if you want to break things. |
| 17:36.28 | bjv | i would like to know what repo the actual diablo installs are pulling from, though. |
| 17:37.35 | GeneralAntilles | The updates are coming from the update repo. |
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| 18:08.24 | bjv | any Diablo users here? |
| 18:12.15 | vasily_pupkin | i am |
| 18:12.45 | bjv | what does your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ look like |
| 18:13.07 | vasily_pupkin | moment |
| 18:13.33 | bjv | when i try deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo ./ |
| 18:13.44 | bjv | i get a 401: Unauthorized |
| 18:13.50 | vasily_pupkin | it change its place afair |
| 18:14.04 | qwerty12 | it's passworded |
| 18:14.16 | bjv | qwerty12: where's the password stored? |
| 18:14.22 | qwerty12 | apt |
| 18:14.28 | bjv | huh |
| 18:14.52 | vasily_pupkin | hm |
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| 18:27.07 | bjv | can someone post the apt config file that has this password, then? |
| 18:27.16 | bjv | or just the file name/ the line? |
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| 18:30.38 | bjv | Diablo repositories are just not documented anywhere. T_T |
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| 18:30.48 | bjv | what kind of operation is nokia running here. |
| 18:30.59 | keesj | Stskeeps, VDVsx and others thanks a lot for the support . I will do my best to make things work! |
| 18:32.07 | GeneralAntilles | bjv, that update repository is for N800/N810 only. |
| 18:32.23 | bjv | im aware |
| 18:32.41 | GeneralAntilles | It's passworded because unless you own one of those devices, you do not have a license to use several of those packages. |
| 18:32.51 | bjv | hm |
| 18:33.16 | bjv | then that is a significant roadblock |
| 18:33.18 | bjv | what packages? |
| 18:33.24 | GeneralAntilles | Flash, for one. |
| 18:33.38 | bjv | oh weird, they have different version Flash? |
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| 18:34.07 | GeneralAntilles | Adobe doesn't have a free version of Flash for ARM. |
| 18:34.29 | bjv | plaintext http login though, - i wish my buddy was here with his 800 so i could tcpdump the router :O |
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| 18:35.12 | GeneralAntilles | It's in apt, so it's not like the source is difficult to locate. |
| 18:36.09 | lcuk | keesj, GeneralAntilles Jaffa qole tim, congrats! |
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| 18:36.26 | GeneralAntilles | Right back at yah. |
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| 18:37.11 | lcuk | we need a virtual qole and tim in irc, even if they never visit, if someone posts a comment regarding them they should see it |
| 18:37.40 | VDVsx | keesj, btw, you live in Amsterdam right ? |
| 18:37.46 | GeneralAntilles | Attach an IRC bot to a printer and a paper ball cannon? I like it! |
| 18:37.50 | keesj | Yes, in amsterdam |
| 18:37.50 | lcuk | maybe a tweak to the mariusbot to listen for mentions of the current council nicks and adds them to a small history page |
| 18:37.59 | VDVsx | Ah, another victim to help with the next summit venue :P |
| 18:38.14 | lcuk | evening VDVsx |
| 18:38.45 | VDVsx | lcuk, lo |
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| 18:38.54 | lcuk | why does it still take as long nowadays to format a hard drive as it used to 10 years ago |
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| 18:39.32 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, things got faster, but drives got bigger and filesystems more complicated. |
| 18:39.57 | lcuk | hard drives lag behind most other tech though \@/ |
| 18:40.17 | keesj | lcuk: we don't have More^2 law so the dist speed and size kinda grow together perhaps. but clearly you must be formating a old kind of file system :p |
| 18:40.37 | lcuk | first format on a brand new drive :) and yes, ntfs lol |
| 18:41.08 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, right, Windows. |
| 18:41.16 | GeneralAntilles | slaps lcuk with his paper-launching bot. |
| 18:41.34 | lcuk | connects you to his ad-hoc |
| 18:41.52 | fireun | lcuk: what did you get? |
| 18:42.07 | fireun | someone in another channel was getting a 512GB 2.5" 7200rpm drive |
| 18:42.17 | lcuk | just a new one cos my old pata packed up (im convinced it was a dodgy pata-sata converter) |
| 18:42.19 | fireun | I'm still stuck with a 30G that came with the laptop |
| 18:42.32 | lcuk | 3.5 desthstar 500gb |
| 18:42.37 | lcuk | death |
| 18:42.38 | fireun | WD? |
| 18:42.43 | fireun | wanna die |
| 18:43.47 | lcuk | still has to work out a way to see if the data can come off it |
| 18:43.59 | lcuk | ive filled up the sata connectors ive got available now |
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| 18:45.04 | GeneralAntilles | just got a 750GB |
| 18:45.20 | fireun | geebus |
| 18:45.23 | lcuk | show off |
| 18:45.34 | fireun | and when that fails, you'll lose 3/4 of a terrabyte! |
| 18:45.41 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, well, now it's only marginally less like packing a dozen clowns into a Beetle. |
| 18:45.49 | GeneralAntilles | fireun, I know, right? |
| 18:45.50 | fireun | think of all the porn you'll have to find again |
| 18:45.50 | lcuk | mind you, this 500 takes me to 1.6 |
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| 18:45.55 | GeneralAntilles | Drives are getting too damn big. |
| 18:46.00 | GeneralAntilles | It's messing with my head. |
| 18:46.02 | ds3 | now go do daily backups |
| 18:46.03 | lcuk | backing them up is a big problem |
| 18:46.10 | lcuk | i only backup my code nowadays |
| 18:46.16 | lcuk | i used to put movies and stuff |
| 18:46.29 | GeneralAntilles | remembers when a 75MB made his year. |
| 18:46.33 | VDVsx | which is the max size in the market for a 2.5 driver nowdays ? |
| 18:46.37 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, hourly. |
| 18:46.54 | fireun | driver? |
| 18:46.55 | VDVsx | *drive |
| 18:47.02 | fireun | 512 from what I saw yesterday |
| 18:47.03 | lcuk | what capacity was the first hard drive ppl got and how much was it? |
| 18:47.13 | ds3 | new netapp product... filer + 2.5" drive in a 3.5" case :D |
| 18:47.24 | ds3 | s/product/idea/ |
| 18:47.45 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, IBM had something in the 50s that was about 4MB |
| 18:47.58 | lcuk | but you didnt cos you are still a PFY |
| 18:48.19 | lcuk | you werent even a twinkle in the travelling salesmans eye when they were out |
| 18:48.36 | GeneralAntilles | Probably this thing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ST-506 |
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| 18:48.55 | lcuk | i had a quantum fireball 245MB for my amiga!! cost about £260 |
| 18:49.14 | lcuk | i drive past the building where i got it from every day :) |
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| 18:51.32 | ||cw | first I actually bought was a 800MB, which failed in less than a month so they gave me a 1GB |
| 18:51.39 | lfelipe | lcuk: just to remember it ? |
| 18:51.42 | ||cw | that was included in a system though |
| 18:51.47 | lfelipe | or do you really need to pass by it ? |
| 18:51.49 | lfelipe | eheheh |
| 18:51.53 | lcuk | lol no, i work about 200metres from it |
| 18:51.58 | lfelipe | :P |
| 18:51.58 | ||cw | I had a 10MB given to me though, in a XT |
| 18:52.18 | ||cw | 1/2 height 5.25" MFM disk |
| 18:53.15 | lcuk | i once had a plan to double the capacity of floppy disks by removing the mfm encoding - "cos everything is written twice" |
| 18:53.16 | ||cw | my fav was a 40MB SCSI disk that if you didn't run a head park util before powering off would corrupt the partition table |
| 18:53.41 | ||cw | was hella fast though |
| 18:54.07 | lcuk | you could shut them down couldnt you, but if you moved it then you were screwed |
| 18:54.19 | ||cw | had a 16MB ram card in a 386, ran win 3.11 with no swap file and could run anything I wanted no problems |
| 18:54.27 | lcuk | thats hot! |
| 18:54.38 | lcuk | i bet your mates were mega-jealous :D |
| 18:54.42 | ||cw | this one would corrupt the partition table if you shut it off without parking, not sure why |
| 18:55.04 | lcuk | sounds cargo cultish and a big enough warning to make sure you never tried it |
| 18:55.15 | lcuk | cos it wouldnt park in a powercut |
| 18:56.01 | ||cw | I suspect that it wasn't parking correctly and was hovering on the partition table, the park util somehow forced it to flush and park |
| 18:56.10 | lcuk | yeah agreed |
| 18:56.26 | ||cw | only had a sinlge partition on it, so fixing it was no big deal, just anoying |
| 18:56.38 | fireun | never uses single partitions |
| 18:56.54 | ||cw | ran IBM PC-DOS 7 on it too, was sweet |
| 18:57.05 | lcuk | the head on my quantum used to get stuck and if i ever moved the amiga properly i would have to bang the back of it to get it moving again |
| 18:57.12 | ||cw | heh |
| 18:57.59 | ||cw | I had a 32MB mfm with a scratch, I figured out that if I partitioned it just right, the scratch was between the partitions and it worked fine, only lost 1MB of space |
| 18:58.24 | lcuk | heh, you shouldv just got a bitmap editor and marked a whole swath as bad ;) |
| 18:58.27 | ||cw | man I had some crap PC's back int eh day |
| 18:58.41 | ||cw | on mfm disks? did they even support that? |
| 18:58.52 | fireun | my gateway was sweet |
| 18:58.53 | lcuk | the innards mightv been crap, but old pcs were built externally to last |
| 18:59.19 | lcuk | yeah - all drives support a bitmap for bad allocation areas |
| 18:59.24 | ||cw | these were all hand-me-downs, the 386 I had in 1995 |
| 18:59.38 | lcuk | i remember cases being so heavy i could barely pick em up |
| 18:59.47 | fireun | you were smaller then I bet |
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| 19:00.06 | lcuk | lol compared to my amiga they were "serious business" |
| 19:01.12 | fireun | I booted CPM yo |
| 19:01.18 | fireun | l33t |
| 19:02.16 | lcuk | i recall some of the first c code i read and tried to decypher were for cpm, there was a compiler and some other stuff :) never got to run it though |
| 19:03.01 | lcuk | 53% complete |
| 19:03.09 | fireun | nothing like having a computer with a "run" button |
| 19:03.15 | fireun | ah, the good ol days |
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| 19:03.41 | lcuk | turbo buttons need to come back for nokias |
| 19:03.47 | fireun | haha |
| 19:03.47 | lcuk | switch between ondemand and performance (H) |
| 19:04.08 | fireun | with a little led display showing the mhz |
| 19:04.32 | lcuk | OLED nowadays ;) |
| 19:04.46 | lcuk | and using custom glyphs for l33tness |
| 19:05.03 | fireun | mmm, glyphs |
| 19:05.18 | fireun | the aztec/inca/myan really were ahead of the curve |
| 19:05.51 | lcuk | best comment ever on slashdot: http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1150637&cid=27081501 |
| 19:07.24 | Macer | i think i better get some opertons before they are no longer available :-\ |
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| 19:33.43 | alecrim | aloisiojr, depois eu cai |
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| 19:33.54 | alecrim | aloisiojr, mostra ai o teu nira.conf |
| 19:34.10 | florian | re |
| 19:34.49 | alecrim | sorry |
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| 19:42.41 | bjv | ok, without a Diablo-blessed apt.conf |
| 19:43.01 | bjv | we're going to try using a mirror, to try and dselect-upgrade 2008HE to diablo |
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| 19:53.42 | lcuk | hits LinuxCode on the head with a broken harddrive |
| 19:53.49 | LinuxCode | dies |
| 19:53.58 | LinuxCode | allo ;-} |
| 19:54.13 | lcuk | hi there lc, hows tricks |
| 19:54.27 | lcuk | gives u a beer to revive u |
| 19:54.34 | LinuxCode | Im having xen issues |
| 19:54.46 | lcuk | you tried the lotus position? |
| 19:54.47 | LinuxCode | lcuk, you ever used xen ? |
| 19:54.52 | lcuk | nope |
| 19:54.55 | LinuxCode | k |
| 19:55.04 | LinuxCode | takes the harddrive and kills himself |
| 19:55.14 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 19:55.29 | AStorm | bjv, uh, it may explode ;) |
| 19:55.31 | AStorm | or rather, it will explode |
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| 19:57.10 | bjv | AStorm: im having to do it in shifts. |
| 19:57.45 | lcuk | 95% complete i want my life back |
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| 19:58.22 | AStorm | LinuxCode, what issues? |
| 19:58.34 | bjv | no way to free 11meg, so we've got to eg: update browser, delete .debs, etc. |
| 19:58.45 | LinuxCode | AStorm, can we take it private, considering its off-topic really |
| 19:58.47 | LinuxCode | ? |
| 19:59.01 | lcuk | no |
| 19:59.07 | lcuk | fully public its not offtopic |
| 19:59.09 | LinuxCode | nudges lcuk |
| 19:59.21 | lcuk | beer |
| 19:59.24 | AStorm | LinuxCode, yeah |
| 19:59.25 | LinuxCode | lol |
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| 20:33.06 | wazd | Hello there) |
| 20:33.40 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, wazd. |
| 20:34.01 | wazd | I've finaly done all my routine work so I can spend weekend on maemo stuff :) |
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| 20:41.51 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, ping? |
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| 20:45.33 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, you should have something like a bat-signal |
| 20:45.53 | lcuk | your council tablets should start glowing |
| 20:46.03 | lcuk | "quick, its the bat-phone" |
| 20:46.08 | GAN800 | Neck tasers |
| 20:46.13 | lcuk | heh |
| 20:46.25 | lcuk | boogies to katy perry |
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| 20:51.27 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I know you're there somewhere. :P |
| 20:51.29 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, you need to sign in as mentor too, in order to access and rank the students proposals :P |
| 20:51.40 | GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, did I get an email for that? |
| 20:51.47 | VDVsx | yup |
| 20:51.50 | VDVsx | gmail |
| 20:51.54 | GeneralAntilles | 's inbox is full of Maemo spam. |
| 20:51.56 | GeneralAntilles | Subject? |
| 20:52.14 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, maemo @GSoC |
| 20:52.17 | VDVsx | ... |
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| 20:52.35 | GAN800 | I think I read that one, but didn |
| 20:52.41 | GAN800 | 't notice instructions |
| 20:52.43 | lcuk | VDVsx, do i need to be marked as a mentor as well |
| 20:52.47 | GAN800 | I'll look again |
| 20:52.59 | VDVsx | GAN800, I sent it today |
| 20:53.06 | VDVsx | lcuk, yes |
| 20:53.24 | VDVsx | lcuk, I will send instr in pm |
| 20:53.35 | lcuk | errr email is better right now |
| 20:53.45 | lcuk | liquid@gmail.com |
| 20:53.51 | lcuk | im not on final machine |
| 20:53.53 | VDVsx | lcuk, oki |
| 20:54.43 | GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, ah, I see it. It's hiding between a council thread and another council thread. :P |
| 20:54.51 | VDVsx | VDVsx, heheh |
| 20:55.30 | VDVsx | lcuk, sent |
| 20:56.07 | VDVsx | lcuk, add your info here too: http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009/Mentors#Mentors |
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| 20:58.04 | GeneralAntilles | midgard in the builder? |
| 20:58.05 | GeneralAntilles | Interesting |
| 20:58.15 | lcuk | kicks his horrid machine |
| 20:58.18 | lcuk | ok vdv done :) |
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| 20:58.42 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, wtf, lol |
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| 20:59.36 | GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, uploaded by root. |
| 21:00.19 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, you should receive a system notification now, in order to complete your profile |
| 21:02.01 | GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, done. |
| 21:02.17 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, thanks |
| 21:05.44 | Macer | good afternoon |
| 21:07.20 | GAN800 | Is it worth archiving the former council's wiki page? |
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| 21:08.24 | lcuk | its already archived if its in the wiki |
| 21:08.39 | lcuk | could do with a roll of honours though |
| 21:08.48 | lcuk | with current and previous members and their contributions :) |
| 21:08.50 | GAN800 | Sure, but there's no way to mark a particular edit, though. |
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| 21:09.41 | lcuk | kicks his computer some more |
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| 21:11.13 | Macer | why are you kicking your computer? |
| 21:11.41 | lcuk | hard drive finally died |
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| 21:12.00 | lcuk | so i got a new one and its taking forever to get back to normal so i can rebuild everything and actually put my computer back together |
| 21:12.03 | ds3 | finally? did it linger for months on end with errors? |
| 21:12.42 | lcuk | its a pata drive with a sata connector, it originally died a couple of months ago, just gave up. so i disconnected it and left it for a few days |
| 21:12.53 | lcuk | and out of curiosity plugged it back in |
| 21:13.04 | lcuk | it worked again for a couple of weeks.. |
| 21:13.13 | lcuk | (nothing essential on it) |
| 21:13.27 | lcuk | it died again last night.. |
| 21:13.49 | Macer | you should have replaced it once it started to die ;) |
| 21:13.56 | lcuk | i DID buy a new drive |
| 21:14.00 | Macer | and taken a hammer to it |
| 21:14.03 | lcuk | but plugging it in worked right there |
| 21:14.06 | Macer | so it wouldn't sit there lingering haha |
| 21:14.10 | lcuk | so tracy got a new drive for her sims machine |
| 21:14.16 | Macer | sims hahaha |
| 21:14.58 | Macer | i usually have drives just lying around.. i swear i have a drawer of them |
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| 21:15.08 | lcuk | yeah i do, but none with the capacity of this |
| 21:15.21 | Macer | what was it? 750G? |
| 21:15.31 | Macer | 1.5TB? :) |
| 21:15.32 | lcuk | no, only 250 but it was the first 250 i got |
| 21:15.49 | lcuk | most of the drives sitting are 80 and 120s |
| 21:15.59 | Macer | heh |
| 21:16.08 | Macer | i need to get hotswap bays for my server |
| 21:16.31 | lcuk | sata is hotswp isnt it |
| 21:16.37 | Macer | and i still need to get a passive video card since newegg was gay and sent me the wrong card |
| 21:16.50 | lcuk | underclock and remove the fan |
| 21:17.02 | Macer | lcuk: already sent it back |
| 21:17.02 | lcuk | or add a resistor |
| 21:17.15 | Macer | and waited a week and they still hadn't sent it out yet |
| 21:17.23 | lcuk | ouch, dont like mailorder |
| 21:17.38 | lcuk | thankfully around manchester theres plenty of hardware shops |
| 21:17.40 | Macer | lcuk: usually they are very good but i still haven't gotten a refund or replacement |
| 21:17.44 | lcuk | competition is good for prices as well |
| 21:18.02 | Macer | and it's been over 2 weeks.. so now i've totally gotten pissed and told them to close my account and that i want my money back and will never order anything from them again |
| 21:18.15 | Macer | wtf... i have to wait 2 weeks for a refund or replacement because of their mistake? |
| 21:18.38 | Macer | what makes it even worse is they received the card over a week ago |
| 21:18.40 | lcuk | hell yeah |
| 21:18.55 | Macer | it takes that long for them to check it and send my replacement or give me my refund? |
| 21:19.14 | lcuk | wishes irc had <sarcasm> tags |
| 21:19.40 | lcuk | that is shit of them |
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| 21:27.15 | Macer | heh |
| 21:27.36 | Macer | it is..... i just talked to their live chat and he said that my information can not be deleted from their server |
| 21:27.57 | Macer | uhm... yeah.. that made no sense... you can just as easily pull my infromation up.. there isn't a delete button ? |
| 21:28.00 | Macer | lol |
| 21:28.26 | Macer | there is a frys pretty close to here.. i think i will just drive there from now on :) i love frys |
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| 21:31.33 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: pong |
| 21:31.35 | Jaffa | lcuk: ta |
| 21:31.55 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, just wondering about the Council wiki page |
| 21:32.07 | GeneralAntilles | whether it's worth archiving the whole thing at the end of a council's term. |
| 21:32.48 | Jaffa | It's got history in the wiki. |
| 21:33.16 | Jaffa | Having a section of previous council members (i.e. one section per term) makes sense, I think; but - certainly with the current content - evolution seems best. |
| 21:33.48 | Jaffa | prefers the idea of a UK-style civil service continuing traditions and procedures as much as possible, rather than US-style "let's redo the whole administration from top to bottom" approach ;-) |
| 21:34.15 | lcuk | +1 jaffa, look at [21:08] |
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| 21:34.42 | Jaffa | lcuk++ |
| 21:35.30 | benson | Jaffa: those are largely dictated by the power structure -- since we have a council, and no Pres (or equivalent), it's likely to work out that way. |
| 21:36.16 | benson | Except in the unlikely case where no or few incumbents remain in office -- probably indicating something _did_ need redone. ;) |
| 21:36.23 | lcuk | offers everyone a penguin (the chocolate kind) |
| 21:37.02 | lcuk | benson a political coup! |
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| 21:37.43 | benson | lcuk: exactly |
| 21:38.11 | benson | is secretly planning a coup, that's why he hasn't run for council. |
| 21:38.28 | lcuk | offers you a coup of cocoa |
| 21:38.38 | benson | (They're much more pleasant for the incoming than the outgoing, or so I hear.) |
| 21:39.31 | Jaffa | sends an email to the secret council-hitsquad@maemo.org mailing address to ensure lcuk gets home "safely" |
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| 21:40.03 | lcuk | you didnt mail them ealier and tell em to break my drive did you? |
| 21:40.32 | lcuk | when do the council costumes arrive by the way |
| 21:40.39 | lcuk | i heard there was a problem with the spandex |
| 21:41.25 | lcuk | THAT has to become a forum topic |
| 21:41.47 | StsN800 | ok, my screen isn't rotating atm. |
| 21:42.01 | StsN800 | i am so fucked if my n800 dies. |
| 21:42.37 | StsN800 | s/rotating/scrolling vertically |
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| 21:43.24 | StsN800 | it did it for 4 hrs |
| 21:43.26 | benson | lcuk: That's the council's M.O. now? If your belly hangs out, you just blame the spandex? They should move on to _real_ politics! |
| 21:43.48 | Luke-Jr2 | stupid bt headset is refusing to work :( |
| 21:43.58 | benson | They've obviously got the necessary skill set. |
| 21:44.36 | Luke-Jr2 | any ideas? |
| 21:44.48 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, damn, lcuk, I wish I had moderator permissions so I could abuse them. :P |
| 21:44.51 | Jaffa | benson: I'm an IT consultant. Bullshit's my middle name ;-) |
| 21:45.00 | lbt | hello |
| 21:45.02 | lcuk | luke-jr, batteries connection switched on enabled running audio ... |
| 21:45.05 | jaska | bullshit, shit, it :D |
| 21:45.11 | benson | Luke-Jr2: FM radio? |
| 21:45.17 | Luke-Jr2 | ???? |
| 21:45.40 | Luke-Jr2 | N810 |
| 21:45.43 | lcuk | does it have batteries, is it switched on, is it connected, are you runniing audio |
| 21:45.52 | benson | If you use FM radio, it bludgeons the sound output control, and won't let it do HSP. |
| 21:45.54 | Luke-Jr2 | WEP200 |
| 21:46.09 | StsN800 | Jaffa, i think it's impressive people are imagniing up The Mer Foundation.. |
| 21:46.12 | Luke-Jr2 | lcuk it thinks it is idle |
| 21:46.24 | Luke-Jr2 | blue blink evry 3 sec |
| 21:46.45 | lcuk | reboot both as simplest quickest attempt.. |
| 21:46.48 | benson | (It probably does it on the N810, too, but I presume you haven't installed it...) |
| 21:46.49 | Luke-Jr2 | benson there is no FM |
| 21:47.05 | Luke-Jr2 | lcuk how to reboot WEP200? |
| 21:47.18 | lcuk | turn it off and back on again.. |
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| 21:47.49 | benson | It's the FM software, not thwe hardware, but if you didn't install it, you're cool there. |
| 21:48.15 | lcuk | luke-jr2 does it normally work |
| 21:48.26 | benson | still makes astonishingly many typos when typing lkefthanded and eating the rest of my pizza... |
| 21:48.42 | GAN800 | So much pizza |
| 21:48.57 | lcuk | same pizza as earlier? |
| 21:49.17 | benson | Pizza: next best thing to a seat on the maemo.org council |
| 21:49.21 | Jaffa | StsN800: Very cool, yes. |
| 21:49.22 | GAN800 | But that reminds me, I need food. |
| 21:49.23 | benson | lcuk: yep, |
| 21:49.33 | benson | 0.625 pizza = breakfast |
| 21:49.42 | benson | 0.375 pizza = supper. |
| 21:50.16 | GeneralAntilles | Damn, all I've got left are sandwich ingredients. |
| 21:50.16 | benson | thinks he might need another meal right after supper. |
| 21:50.36 | lbt | just had pancakes |
| 21:50.59 | lcuk | beer and penguins for my tea |
| 21:51.00 | benson | GeneralAntilles: OK, so maybe pizza's _better_ than a council seat. |
| 21:51.24 | lbt | enjoyed his pancackes with lemon juice and sugar... so easy to make ... you could go and make your own right now you know.... |
| 21:51.39 | lcuk | i can make many things |
| 21:51.43 | GeneralAntilles | Justify your failings however you please, benson. :P |
| 21:51.59 | lcuk | but after the week ive had i need to at least try to wind down :) |
| 21:52.00 | GeneralAntilles | Mmm, an evening Village Inn run does sound good. . . . |
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| 21:54.08 | lcuk | bye for now |
| 21:54.34 | Luke-Jr2_ | i think wep200 is crashed |
| 21:57.39 | qwerty12_N800 | immediately, for his own sanity, restores the old FBReader icons. |
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| 22:01.35 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 22:01.41 | GeneralAntilles | What _were_ they thinking? |
| 22:04.05 | romullo | is away: testing away message :) |
| 22:04.49 | romullo | is away: testing away message :) |
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| 22:12.24 | Luke-Jr2 | rebooted N810 |
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| 22:12.35 | Luke-Jr2 | problem persists |
| 22:13.07 | Luke-Jr2 | wep200 refuses to turn off even |
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| 22:16.55 | Luke-Jr2 | lcuk rebooted N810 |
| 22:16.56 | Luke-Jr2 | wep200 refuses to turn off even |
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| 22:17.39 | benson | Luke-Jr2: Get a bigger hammer. |
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| 22:18.09 | benson | More seriously, can you pull the battery? |
| 22:20.30 | lbt | does the N800 have a builtin mic? |
| 22:20.55 | qwerty12_N800 | At the top |
| 22:21.07 | lbt | ta :) |
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| 22:29.47 | lcuk | Jaffa, how serious are you |
| 22:30.18 | GeneralAntilles | Have you even known Jaffa to kid? |
| 22:31.15 | Luke-Jr2 | benson, no battery removable |
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| 22:49.51 | Stskeeps | evening woglinde |
| 22:53.06 | woglinde | hi stskeeps |
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| 23:00.35 | lbt | Is the nokia "Internet Call software" removed in fremantle? |
| 23:00.52 | Stskeeps | no clue, we haven't seen any of the apps yet |
| 23:00.55 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, your guess is as good as anybody's. |
| 23:01.16 | lbt | saw a comment that they were "stopping support" |
| 23:01.25 | lbt | and just wondered if I'd missed anything |
| 23:01.35 | GeneralAntilles | Did somebody setup a cronjob to spam the builder with midgard? |
| 23:01.45 | lbt | (since it's clearly not been removed) |
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| 23:03.04 | midgard | upgrade me! upgrade me! |
| 23:03.32 | woglinde | hi qwerty |
| 23:03.40 | qwerty12_N800 | hey woglinde |
| 23:03.50 | lcuk | pokes woglinde |
| 23:05.05 | woglinde | jo lcuk |
| 23:05.31 | woglinde | hm I bought me a 4-core phenom2 |
| 23:05.46 | woglinde | after nearly 6 six years |
| 23:05.51 | woglinde | using an athlon |
| 23:06.11 | lcuk | and is it the dogs bollocks? |
| 23:06.17 | lbt | make -j4 |
| 23:06.22 | woglinde | lbt yes |
| 23:06.29 | woglinde | for oe its nice |
| 23:06.35 | lbt | only gets to do make -j3 |
| 23:07.36 | Jaffa | lcuk: within bounds of decency (i.e. dressing up as Apollo or something is out), but anything which might get me more beer is fine. And I said *some*, i.e. a period of time >0s ;-) |
| 23:07.46 | lbt | how do you find it day to day (linux desktop I assume?) |
| 23:08.16 | lcuk | heh thats the spirit |
| 23:08.42 | Stskeeps | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS3386655708.html <- rzr's qemu-nitdroid |
| 23:09.05 | qwerty12_N800 | hits the cancel button on his post for 'gimp suit' |
| 23:09.07 | rzr | lemme see |
| 23:09.13 | Stskeeps | and QWERTY-12 mention.. ;) |
| 23:09.21 | rzr | Stskeeps: i tested mer |
| 23:09.35 | rzr | i but didnt not manage to boot it |
| 23:09.46 | rzr | i'll have to investigate |
| 23:09.54 | rzr | but i am short on time |
| 23:09.57 | Stskeeps | yeah, it's a bit awkward |
| 23:10.09 | Stskeeps | nitdroid is easier as it has it's own kernel and such |
| 23:11.19 | Stskeeps | grab the zImage and the jffs2, might work .P |
| 23:12.15 | GeneralAntilles | Erg |
| 23:12.25 | GeneralAntilles | Second to last paragraph in that article is . . . wrong. |
| 23:13.37 | rzr | that one is wrong too : as demonstrated in the video (see image at top), Coval was able to use his NITdroid-emulator code with Qemu, to boot and run Maemo and then run the latest release of NITdroid |
| 23:15.04 | rzr | Stskeeps: i should hire thoses guys to make my resume |
| 23:15.29 | rzr | Stskeeps: why did they put my name everywhere ? i did nothing |
| 23:19.02 | Macer | hm. i need a good show to watch |
| 23:19.09 | lcuk | hahahahahaha @ the pic on the costume thread |
| 23:19.37 | GeneralAntilles | Macer, 30 Rock? :P |
| 23:23.19 | Macer | 30 rock? |
| 23:23.34 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0496424/ |
| 23:23.35 | rzr | <GeneralAntilles> Second to last paragraph in that article is . . . wrong. |
| 23:23.50 | rzr | can we fix it ? |
| 23:24.01 | GeneralAntilles | rzr, I just fired off a correction. |
| 23:24.08 | rzr | ok |
| 23:24.08 | GeneralAntilles | They'll probably fix it in a day or two. |
| 23:24.23 | rzr | i am updating on my page, |
| 23:24.26 | rzr | can you cc me |
| 23:24.33 | rzr | rzr @ gna . org |
| 23:27.34 | rzr | update section @ http://www.newlc.com/en/eeedroid-emulator-nokia-tablet-desktop-ready-test-android |
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| 23:35.38 | GeneralAntilles | rzr, they're correcting. |
| 23:35.54 | rzr | great |
| 23:36.05 | rzr | i'd like they to remove my name too |
| 23:36.25 | rzr | well i'll email them in case |
| 23:36.38 | rzr | did you cc'ed your correction ? |
| 23:37.08 | GeneralAntilles | I forwarded it to you. |
| 23:37.12 | rzr | ok |
| 23:37.28 | rzr | they did this the day we upgraded the server :) |
| 23:41.11 | Macer | hm. gentoo seems to act funny in fbsd |
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