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| 00:03.10 | [A2K] | hello |
| 00:03.48 | [A2K] | is there some good calendar program? (i dont like mcalendar becouse it is buggy and gpe is ugly) |
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| 00:08.57 | lbt | [A2K]: they are the best 2 - sorry |
| 00:10.16 | lbt | GeneralAntilles: http://shopper.garage.maemo.org/index.html |
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| 00:53.33 | b-man | i'm back :) |
| 00:53.54 | timeless | not sick? |
| 00:54.31 | b-man | not as bad as it was a couple of hours ago |
| 00:55.04 | zeenix | i still have headache |
| 00:55.19 | b-man | drinking lots of coffee and taking asprin helped |
| 00:55.20 | z4chh | drink water |
| 00:55.20 | zeenix | b-man: want some? :) |
| 00:55.47 | b-man | shure XD |
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| 00:56.16 | b-man | is still verry sweaty though :P |
| 00:56.57 | timeless | hey |
| 00:56.58 | b-man | gets some water to cool himself down |
| 00:57.08 | timeless | does facebook really complain about the current flash player? |
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| 00:59.55 | b-man | heh, i allmost had a 104F temperature |
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| 01:08.08 | b-man | packages up the new ubuntu rootstrap image |
| 01:11.15 | GeneralAntilles | timeless, yes. |
| 01:11.27 | timeless | awesome |
| 01:11.42 | timeless | any idea what it needs? |
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| 01:13.20 | GeneralAntilles | I think it just requires a newer version because the Facebook devs are assholes. |
| 01:13.36 | GeneralAntilles | Not because there's anything in the newer version that they actually need. |
| 01:13.41 | timeless | sure, but does it sniff based on the plugin description or the api? |
| 01:13.50 | timeless | if it's the version, i can offer a deb like i did last time |
| 01:13.57 | GeneralAntilles | I'm pretty sure somebody manage to spoof it with the version. |
| 01:14.04 | GeneralAntilles | So, yeah, a deb might help. |
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| 01:22.48 | sp3000 | hmm, I wonder if http://vimeo.com/1320756 could be made playable on a tablet |
| 01:25.23 | timeless | the n8x0 doesn't have spatial support, so it wouldn't work particularly well :) |
| 01:26.05 | sp3000 | there's a camera and a screen :) |
| 01:26.49 | timeless | technically true |
| 01:32.10 | luke-jr | is it possible to permanently disable WiFi PSM? |
| 01:32.51 | GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, appropriately enough, it's in the connection settings. . . . |
| 01:33.09 | GeneralAntilles | Configuration steps are listed in the wiki |
| 01:33.12 | GeneralAntilles | ~wifi-psm |
| 01:33.13 | infobot | somebody said wifi-psm was http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM) |
| 01:33.38 | luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: for ALL connections? |
| 01:33.49 | luke-jr | PSM just plain doesn't work.. |
| 01:34.12 | GeneralAntilles | It works just fine. |
| 01:34.20 | sisto | what do you guys use for irc on the mac? (i'm currently in linux) |
| 01:34.27 | sisto | sorry wrong channel |
| 01:34.33 | luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: no, it makes the network unusable and high packet loss |
| 01:34.36 | GeneralAntilles | Either your router is broken or you're expecting it to do something it doesn't do. |
| 01:34.56 | luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: are you defining every Linux-based router as broken? |
| 01:35.33 | GeneralAntilles | No, I'm really not up for an argument. |
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| 01:36.19 | nikosapi | Is it possible to easily set up a maemo scratchbox environment on fedora? |
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| 01:38.57 | luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: can it be disabled completely or not? |
| 01:40.06 | sp3000 | luke-jr: fwiw afaiui it's not totally uncommon for it to be broken, since the more common use case, laptops, drain their battery in other ways anyway and don't really psm much |
| 01:40.17 | sp3000 | not that I recall ever hitting a psmbroken ap |
| 01:41.03 | sp3000 | but it would be silly to disable it on all networks, since it's just asking to drain your battery rather quickly |
| 01:41.03 | luke-jr | sp3000: why would Linux not work? :/ |
| 01:41.57 | sp3000 | I suppose it would be more specific than linux, but what do I know |
| 01:42.19 | sp3000 | I don't know if anyone's got a database of what products suck |
| 01:43.14 | sp3000 | sleeps |
| 01:43.24 | sp3000 | might be just power-saving for all you know |
| 01:49.47 | luke-jr | "PSM can cause some network issues even on routers with good support." |
| 01:49.53 | luke-jr | that's what I call broken |
| 01:50.03 | luke-jr | sp3000: my router runs Linux |
| 01:50.07 | luke-jr | OpenWrt |
| 01:51.30 | GeneralAntilles | It's not broken |
| 01:51.36 | GeneralAntilles | It's just a compromise |
| 01:51.54 | GeneralAntilles | Do you want to respond to absolutely all incoming network traffic or do you want battery life that's longer than 5 hours? |
| 01:52.16 | GeneralAntilles | It's one or the other, unfortunately we don't live in magic land, so we can't have both. |
| 01:52.40 | luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: my N810 is never off its charger 5 hours |
| 01:52.59 | luke-jr | curiously, ITT thread suggests WRT54G which is one of my two APs |
| 01:53.05 | luke-jr | the other being La Fonera |
| 01:53.09 | luke-jr | both running OpenWrt |
| 01:53.46 | GeneralAntilles | Really, though, I don't feel like arguing. |
| 01:53.56 | GeneralAntilles | For 99% of users, it's a great feature. |
| 01:54.41 | luke-jr | I don't feel like arguign either; *I* want to turn it off |
| 01:54.50 | luke-jr | is that such an unreasonable request? |
| 01:55.09 | GeneralAntilles | Then turn it off. |
| 01:59.15 | luke-jr | that's what I'm asking how to do |
| 01:59.23 | luke-jr | the page you linked only tells per-connection |
| 01:59.26 | luke-jr | I want it off globally |
| 02:00.25 | GeneralAntilles | Interestingly enough, it's actually a global setting. |
| 02:01.11 | luke-jr | so how can I change it globally? :/ |
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| 02:29.35 | luke-jr | where can I get a tcpdump package? :/ |
| 02:38.15 | luke-jr | hm, is it just me or can the N810 scan while also connected? :o |
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| 02:49.00 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, ping? |
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| 02:56.35 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, ping? |
| 03:00.09 | nikosapi | What irc client do you guys use on your tablet? |
| 03:00.27 | GeneralAntilles | XChat |
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| 03:08.11 | b-man | ~ping |
| 03:08.11 | infobot | ~pong |
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| 03:17.40 | sisto | this is a very nice read... http://andrew.daviel.org/N810-FAQ.html |
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| 03:26.40 | GeneralAntilles | sisto, wiki.maemo.org is generally more up-to-date and accurate. |
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| 03:28.44 | sisto | how do you do the pipe command? |
| 03:28.48 | sisto | i mean the character |
| 03:28.57 | sisto | *type it |
| 03:29.30 | hellwolf-n810 | | |
| 03:29.39 | hellwolf-n810 | copy paste this |
| 03:30.34 | sisto | so I have to copy it from somewhere else? |
| 03:30.57 | sisto | I'm not chatting from the tablet right now, but I will do that if it's the standard procedure |
| 03:31.15 | sisto | I mean I'll just go ahead and do it |
| 03:31.22 | sisto | thanks |
| 03:32.27 | hellwolf-n810 | i use the way that changes the keyboard layout |
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| 03:33.04 | hellwolf-n810 | search maemo faq or n810 faq |
| 03:33.16 | sisto | I was able to do it with the handwriting recongnizer |
| 03:33.17 | hellwolf-n810 | as i remember |
| 03:33.38 | sisto | put it in symbols mode |
| 03:33.42 | sisto | and type a vertical line |
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| 04:00.22 | bef0rd | sisto |
| 04:00.31 | sisto | bef0rd: |
| 04:00.46 | sisto | sup |
| 04:00.48 | bef0rd | sisto, n810 or n800? |
| 04:00.52 | sisto | n810 |
| 04:01.02 | bef0rd | there is a key called Chr |
| 04:01.17 | bef0rd | press that one, and I believe the pipe is on the 3rd row, use the arrows on the side |
| 04:01.32 | sisto | yes thank you :) |
| 04:01.45 | sisto | yet another (easier) way :) |
| 04:02.10 | bef0rd | de nada |
| 04:02.58 | bef0rd | Aunque creo que la que esta en tercera fila es la eñe, y el pipe esta en la segunda, no tengo el n810 a la mano :P |
| 04:05.03 | sisto | ya lo encontre |
| 04:06.10 | sisto | bef0rd: de donde eres? |
| 04:07.17 | bef0rd | Colombia |
| 04:07.24 | sisto | does open-ssh server use too much battery? |
| 04:07.28 | sisto | bef0rd: yo de Uruguay |
| 04:08.22 | sisto | I mean will the battery drain a lot faster with it? |
| 04:08.31 | bef0rd | I noticed it on the hostname, that's why I started speaking spanish :P |
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| 04:09.44 | sisto | jeje :) |
| 04:10.20 | sisto | sin embargo el tuyo solo muestra la ip |
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| 04:20.34 | ShadowJK | If you're using the terminal in N800/N810, you can also do this: menu -> Tools -> settings -> Toolbar Shortcut -> New -> Title: | Value: bar |
| 04:20.59 | ShadowJK | And you'll get the | on the row of Esc, PgUP, PgDn and so on |
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| 04:23.55 | sisto | ShadowJK: yay thanks |
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| 06:00.40 | kaie | I'm trying to build a maemo package for the first time. In particular I want to build a newer package version of pidgin |
| 06:01.05 | timeless | aww |
| 06:01.16 | timeless | the pidgin packager is alive |
| 06:01.16 | kaie | I've installed scratchbox, the sdk, and I'm inside. I have adjusted the changelog file, and I'm running dpkg-buildpackage |
| 06:01.19 | timeless | albeit quite distracted |
| 06:01.55 | kaie | my problem is, I get a few unmet build deps, and I don't know where to get them from, apt-get install reports "not found" |
| 06:02.01 | kaie | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libavahi-core-dev libavahi-glib-dev libavahi-client-dev libmeanwhile-dev |
| 06:02.24 | timeless | try apt-get builddep |
| 06:03.17 | kaie | that requires a source package, I don't have one |
| 06:03.34 | kaie | I have an exploded updated source tree |
| 06:03.44 | kaie | based on the source archive from the relased older version |
| 06:03.49 | timeless | apt-get libavahi-core-dev libavahi-glib-dev libavahi-client-dev libmeanwhile-dev |
| 06:03.55 | timeless | er +install ;-) |
| 06:04.16 | kaie | that's what I tried, and it fails |
| 06:04.21 | kaie | E: Couldn't find package libavahi-core-dev |
| 06:04.30 | kaie | for any of the packages |
| 06:04.36 | timeless | yum :) |
| 06:04.53 | kaie | I was able to other stuff installed, e.g. sharutils |
| 06:05.15 | timeless | it looks like it still exists somewhere |
| 06:05.20 | timeless | which repos do you have enabled? |
| 06:05.39 | kaie | I have not idea. I was following the install instructions, didn't do anything else |
| 06:05.52 | kaie | scratchbox+sdk |
| 06:06.03 | timeless | try adding extras and extras-devel |
| 06:06.10 | kaie | howto doc? |
| 06:06.28 | timeless | oh, you're in scratchbox... well |
| 06:06.36 | timeless | you probably have application manager |
| 06:06.37 | kaie | I should be in scratchbox, right? |
| 06:06.49 | timeless | so you should be able to enable extras from tehre |
| 06:06.51 | kaie | I don't have the X stuff installed yet, xephyr something |
| 06:06.55 | kaie | I don't know how |
| 06:06.57 | timeless | oh |
| 06:06.59 | timeless | ok, fine |
| 06:07.09 | timeless | cd /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 06:07.23 | timeless | cat > maemo-extras.list |
| 06:07.37 | kaie | ok |
| 06:08.52 | timeless | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ diablo free |
| 06:09.08 | timeless | eb-src http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ diablo free |
| 06:09.15 | timeless | deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ diablo free |
| 06:09.18 | timeless | ^D |
| 06:09.30 | timeless | kill the middle line, my keyboard isn't happy :( |
| 06:09.59 | timeless | perl -pne 's/extras/extras-devel/' maemo-extras.list > maemo-extras-devel.list |
| 06:10.18 | timeless | apt-get update |
| 06:10.48 | kaie | thanks! |
| 06:10.49 | kaie | works |
| 06:11.19 | kaie | building pidgin |
| 06:12.05 | kaie | ok, looks like building a pidgin package is quite some work :-) |
| 06:12.10 | kaie | pidgin/pixmaps/Makefile.am:4: required directory pidgin/pixmaps/emotes/small/16 does not exist |
| 06:12.20 | kaie | I thought I would simply run a build command and everything works ;-) |
| 06:12.27 | timeless | rotfl |
| 06:13.28 | kaie | FYI I have a merged tarball at https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=3586&group_id=278&atid=1106 |
| 06:13.40 | kaie | maybe that can save the pidgin maintainer some work |
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| 06:17.56 | jaem | hello, all |
| 06:18.53 | jaem | I've found my next handheld device: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.14687 |
| 06:19.05 | jaem | a pocket calculator that looks and smells like a chocolate bar :D |
| 06:19.15 | jaem | how can the RX-51 beat that? |
| 06:19.46 | timeless | well, given what i've seen of the calculator... |
| 06:19.58 | jaem | that bad, is it? |
| 06:20.23 | timeless | well, i've used the one for the 770 |
| 06:20.33 | timeless | which is inferior to the one ms shipped w/ win3.0 |
| 06:22.22 | jaem | is that why those people were running Win 3.1 on Dosbox on the N8x0? :D |
| 06:22.37 | timeless | better software? :) |
| 06:22.41 | timeless | a working solitaire |
| 06:22.44 | timeless | a working notepad |
| 06:22.50 | timeless | a working write |
| 06:22.59 | timeless | a working minesweeper |
| 06:23.12 | timeless | a working file manager |
| 06:23.14 | timeless | yep |
| 06:23.20 | jaem | and a working tablet, for all of the 5 minutes until the battery runs out |
| 06:23.30 | jaem | watches the CPU meter go *ping* |
| 06:24.14 | ShadowJK | minesweeper works on my tablet :) |
| 06:24.46 | timeless | shadowjk: the last minesweeper for the tablet that i tried totally botched the rules and setup and density and dimensions and start |
| 06:24.56 | timeless | not to mention usability |
| 06:25.08 | jaem | as long as the mines go BOOM, it's fine |
| 06:25.20 | jaem | and the smiley face has to die |
| 06:25.21 | timeless | they aren't supposed to go boom on first tap... |
| 06:25.25 | jaem | for some reason |
| 06:25.47 | ShadowJK | they go boom on first click in the non-tablet version :D |
| 06:26.11 | timeless | shadowjk: not the windows version |
| 06:26.18 | timeless | which is the reference impl |
| 06:26.19 | timeless | gah |
| 06:26.35 | timeless | if people are going to knock off software, one would think they'd do a decent job and take notes... |
| 06:26.37 | ShadowJK | What happens there, does it ask if you're sure you want to click there? :-) |
| 06:26.43 | timeless | no |
| 06:26.51 | timeless | it doesn't generate the map until after first click |
| 06:27.00 | ShadowJK | ? |
| 06:27.08 | ShadowJK | oh |
| 06:27.10 | jaem | ShadowJK: yes, Minesweeper would be greatly improved with a good application of UAC :D |
| 06:27.11 | derf | If you only click once at the start, you're doing it wrong. |
| 06:27.13 | timeless | it doesn't know where the bombs are until your first tap |
| 06:27.33 | timeless | but when it does generate the map, it makes sure there isn't a bomb in that spot |
| 06:27.45 | derf | You'll never set speed records that way. |
| 06:28.17 | ShadowJK | Maybe they ripped off the Microsoft minesweeper version for Siemens M35 |
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| 06:29.49 | timeless | did that version really get this wrong? |
| 06:30.57 | ShadowJK | I wouldn't have noticed :) |
| 06:31.07 | ShadowJK | though I probably played it more than the one in windows |
| 06:41.57 | jaem | am I justified in naming a saying after myself if Google can't find any reference of anyone else saying it? :P |
| 06:42.16 | jaem | http://ffejery.wordpress.com/2009/03/15/quick-thought-o-the-day-not-updated-daily/ |
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| 07:27.11 | lcuk | *giggle* http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b4f_1236933154 |
| 07:27.15 | lcuk | goes back to bed |
| 07:34.24 | qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles: pong |
| 07:40.06 | StsN800 | plank |
| 07:40.37 | qwerty12_N800 | mornin' StsN800 |
| 07:41.08 | StsN800 | morning qwerty12_N800 |
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| 08:10.22 | thopiekar | morning |
| 08:11.19 | thopiekar | any suggestions? https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/db4.6_4.6.21-10maemo0/ |
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| 08:17.46 | vasily_pupkin | hi |
| 08:18.02 | vasily_pupkin | i have missed all items in menu |
| 08:18.04 | vasily_pupkin | WTF? |
| 08:18.35 | vasily_pupkin | anybody know how hildon menu works? :] |
| 08:20.02 | thopiekar | wt*? there are no items in the menu? |
| 08:20.05 | qwerty12 | cp /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu /home/user/.osso/menus/ ; update-desktop-database |
| 08:20.12 | udovdh | hello |
| 08:20.15 | thopiekar | hi |
| 08:20.25 | udovdh | where could I find the gpsctrl.h header file and assiciated libs |
| 08:20.26 | udovdh | ? |
| 08:20.57 | udovdh | anything newer than SRC_URI = "http://repository.maemo.org/pool/bora/free/source/${PN}_${PV}-18.tar.gz" ? |
| 08:21.08 | udovdh | (for libgpsbt which is/was suppsed to have that file) |
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| 08:21.41 | vasily_pupkin | heh. free size = 0b |
| 08:21.46 | vasily_pupkin | qwerty12: thanks |
| 08:23.27 | t_s_o | heh, i thought us tablet users had a issue carrying gear, but then i bumped into another forum... |
| 08:23.44 | thopiekar | does someone want to swap his/her N810 with my N800? |
| 08:23.48 | thopiekar | :P |
| 08:23.59 | lcukx41 | yeah thopiekar |
| 08:24.23 | thopiekar | you? |
| 08:24.24 | lcukx41 | the screen on my 810 is a bit duff, but i think thats a fair deal cos the hardware keyboard on your 800 is missing a few keys |
| 08:25.39 | thopiekar | hmm |
| 08:25.42 | lcukx41 | udovdh: why do you need that specific file |
| 08:26.15 | udovdh | to compile gypsy with the patch from http://bugzilla.o-hand.com/show_bug.cgi?id=729 |
| 08:26.19 | udovdh | to make it work on n810 |
| 08:26.33 | udovdh | it is supposed to be in libgpsbt |
| 08:26.45 | udovdh | but the source to libgpsbt that i have doesn't have that header |
| 08:26.56 | udovdh | also the info on the web about libgpsbt doesn't mention these functions |
| 08:27.02 | udovdh | so... |
| 08:27.08 | udovdh | how do I just enable the gps on n810? |
| 08:27.17 | udovdh | with that header file |
| 08:27.23 | udovdh | or with any other means |
| 08:27.31 | thopiekar | I used the hole time screen protectors and I bought a leather case for I too... |
| 08:27.42 | udovdh | so not necessarily using libgpsbt/libgpsmgr etc |
| 08:28.04 | thopiekar | Isn't there a better offer from you? |
| 08:28.37 | lcukx41 | thopiekar: i have no need for an 800 :$ |
| 08:29.44 | thopiekar | :P the cause why i want a n800 is that some apps are disigned to use the kexboard.. |
| 08:30.02 | thopiekar | but the N800 haven'T a hardware-keyboard.. |
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| 08:31.57 | udovdh | anybody know about the gps thing I mentioned? |
| 08:33.15 | udovdh | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/35082 mentions liblocation |
| 08:35.01 | StsN800 | hah, my SE phone allows me to connect through it to internet, usb and bluetooth tethering simultaneous |
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| 08:37.49 | lcukx41 | udovdh: no, but what functionality does it provide - ie what breaks if you just remove the header #include line from the source |
| 08:38.52 | lcukx41 | lol StsN800 what can you do with all those things at once though |
| 08:38.52 | lcukx41 | surely its not 3x faster :D |
| 08:39.33 | udovdh | lcukx41, then we cannot enable the gps since that header defines the function that does that |
| 08:39.52 | lcukx41 | so how do other programs turn on the gps.. |
| 08:39.59 | udovdh | gpsctrl_set_chip_off (); |
| 08:39.59 | udovdh | etc |
| 08:40.03 | udovdh | via gpsd? |
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| 08:40.06 | qwerty12 | Get an scratchbox. |
| 08:40.06 | udovdh | libgpsbt? |
| 08:40.15 | lcukx41 | you tell me, you are the gps developer |
| 08:41.02 | lcukx41 | if its vital post a comment on the place you found the patch and tell whoever it was the patch is incomplete |
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| 08:41.48 | lcukx41 | if a patch adds new dependencies it should also patch the makefile and debian contents etc |
| 08:41.52 | udovdh | lcukx41, yes, but I do not know if the header file is present in the 'normal' development environment of scratchbox versus my OE setup |
| 08:42.17 | udovdh | the web documentation for libgpsbt doesn't mention these functions gpsctrl_set_chip_off and gpsctrl_set_chip_on |
| 08:42.21 | lcukx41 | ?i thought this was a maemo problem? using the maemo sdk does this work? |
| 08:42.54 | udovdh | can you confirm lcukx41 |
| 08:43.07 | udovdh | that there is a gpsctrl.h in your sdk setup? |
| 08:43.17 | lcukx41 | confirm what? i have no desire or need to setup an sdk just to tell you it works in maemo |
| 08:43.24 | udovdh | and can you tell me what library has the functions for the header file |
| 08:43.26 | lcukx41 | what sdk setup? |
| 08:43.29 | udovdh | that is my idea lcuk |
| 08:43.32 | udovdh | lcukx41, |
| 08:43.44 | udovdh | so far I succeeded in building navit for n810 using OE |
| 08:43.56 | lcukx41 | great! |
| 08:43.59 | udovdh | and adding gypsy would appear as a relatively minor addition |
| 08:44.10 | udovdh | but the gps thingie is a problem |
| 08:44.19 | qwerty12 | udovdh, yes, there is. Now use scratchbox instead of OE ;) |
| 08:44.29 | udovdh | http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Navit_on_OpenEmbedded_for_n810 |
| 08:44.33 | StsN800 | lcukx41, i can have my laptop online and charging phone and having tablet online too |
| 08:44.45 | lcukx41 | nice |
| 08:44.45 | udovdh | so qwerty12 that header file is in scratchbox? |
| 08:45.02 | qwerty12 | udovdh, or, strip the crap from http://repository.maemo.org/stable/diablo/maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_4.1.2.sh and extract it (I assume that you don't mind agreeing to the EULA) |
| 08:45.04 | qwerty12 | udovdh, yes |
| 08:45.27 | udovdh | thanks qwerty12 |
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| 08:46.46 | udovdh | that's at least part of the problem I guess |
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| 08:57.58 | lcukx41 | can i install linux on an oqo? |
| 09:00.14 | vasily_pupkin | anybody know deb-src for libhildon ? |
| 09:00.45 | thopiekar | vasily_pupkin: where is libhildon located? |
| 09:00.56 | thopiekar | and which os are you using? |
| 09:01.01 | vasily_pupkin | diablo |
| 09:01.09 | thopiekar | on your pc? |
| 09:01.56 | vasily_pupkin | on my pc - scratchbox1 with maemo SDK :) |
| 09:02.07 | vasily_pupkin | on gentoo |
| 09:03.55 | lcukx41 | StsN800: mer on oqo??, im looking at one now within acceptable price |
| 09:04.18 | thopiekar | libhildon1 - Hildon libraries |
| 09:04.18 | thopiekar | > is on one of the all repos of maemo... |
| 09:04.29 | vasily_pupkin | em |
| 09:04.29 | thopiekar | don't know in which but there is.. |
| 09:04.32 | thopiekar | :P |
| 09:04.39 | vasily_pupkin | i want to do: apt-get source libhildon1 |
| 09:04.42 | vasily_pupkin | :) |
| 09:05.47 | thopiekar | mom |
| 09:06.26 | thopiekar | http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php |
| 09:06.55 | thopiekar | -.- |
| 09:06.56 | thopiekar | mom |
| 09:09.29 | vasily_pupkin | Errors |
| 09:09.29 | vasily_pupkin | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:09.29 | vasily_pupkin | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:09.32 | vasily_pupkin | ._. |
| 09:11.10 | thopiekar | ftp://thopiekar.homelinux.com/maemoSDK/sources.list |
| 09:11.20 | thopiekar | vasily_pupkin: thats my sources.list-file.. |
| 09:12.28 | thopiekar | just replace it with yours.. |
| 09:13.49 | thopiekar | is now away.. |
| 09:15.32 | lcukx41 | bangs head on brick wall |
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| 09:23.00 | vasily_pupkin | thopiekar: thnx |
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| 09:28.33 | lcukx41 | investigates performance of oqo |
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| 09:33.14 | lcukx41 | gets sidetracked with lesbian vampire killers |
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| 10:04.09 | StsN800 | lcuk, seems feasible |
| 10:05.07 | lcukx41 | yeah the extra horsepower should also allow extra niceness with liqbase :) |
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| 10:07.10 | lcuk | *giggle* http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b4f_1236933154 |
| 10:07.25 | lcukx41 | that was meant to be posted ages ago :$ |
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| 10:12.52 | thopiekar | vasily_pupkin: does it work? |
| 10:12.56 | thopiekar | is back... |
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| 10:32.57 | vasily_pupkin | thopiekar: yes, i have successfully recompile gtk/pango etc. but seems like themes now broken :) |
| 10:33.40 | thopiekar | :P |
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| 10:46.40 | Sergei | could anyone direct me towards more information on mer development? |
| 10:47.26 | qwerty12 | ~mer |
| 10:47.27 | infobot | mer is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer |
| 10:47.42 | Sergei | i meant irc channel if there is one |
| 10:47.58 | qwerty12 | Oh, sure, #mer |
| 10:48.05 | Sergei | ok thanks |
| 10:49.06 | lcukx41 | Sergei: or you can just talk in here, its all kinda blended at htis point |
| 10:49.27 | roope | mer money, mer problems. |
| 10:50.30 | lcukx41 | lol |
| 10:50.35 | lcukx41 | hiya roope |
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| 10:52.08 | roope | hello. |
| 10:52.33 | lcukx41 | roope, i found out how to see maemo5 at normal speeds! |
| 10:52.55 | roope | Oh. ... Is it fast or slow then? :) |
| 10:53.16 | lcukx41 | well i have seen it running at clickable speeds! |
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| 10:53.37 | lcukx41 | it took a vnc connection from qwertys home computer to my laptop though... |
| 10:57.06 | roope | sounds... complicatd. |
| 10:58.29 | lcukx41 | lol yeah, much prefer simplicity |
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| 11:12.34 | lcukx41 | lbt, did you see my post last night |
| 11:12.40 | lcukx41 | (mornin btw) |
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| 11:23.00 | Stskeeps | jesus christ, qt is still building |
| 11:23.52 | lcukx41 | lol |
| 11:24.11 | lcukx41 | did you just travel up and down your country in the time its taken |
| 11:24.59 | Stskeeps | i'm not back yet |
| 11:27.25 | lcukx41 | qt isnt compiled either :p |
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| 11:28.59 | lbt | morning lcuk - I did - but only after you'd gone :) Oh, and for ref, I usually wander in here, power on and then go make coffee whilst it restores - so when it reconnects to irc I'm not usually present... |
| 11:29.16 | lbt | Stskeeps: yes I just looked |
| 11:29.29 | lcukx41 | thats ok, when im chattin im normally multitasking so dont sit aorund waiting for answers :P |
| 11:29.32 | lbt | I think it may be time to look at a cross-compiler |
| 11:30.17 | lbt | I want to see lcuk get into it and try and compile it on his tablet <grin> |
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| 11:31.07 | Stskeeps | lbt: i would personally go for a DISTCC cross-compiler, or figure out how to make one matching ubuntu jaunty's, so we can do it in scratchbox |
| 11:31.12 | Stskeeps | it's trivial to bring in a toolchain |
| 11:32.32 | lbt | yeah - I'm not sure where exactly you are on the build env setup with sbox etc... |
| 11:32.48 | Stskeeps | it's fairly sane. 1) need debhelper upgrade 2) matching toolchain |
| 11:33.27 | lbt | bringing in ubuntu's gcc sounds like the portable option doesn't it? |
| 11:33.29 | lcukx41 | lol lbt, i would compile core qt if i could strip out all the crap, 99.9% of it is waste |
| 11:33.42 | lcukx41 | wants a frame and a label and a picturebox and thats it |
| 11:34.02 | lbt | lcukx41: you can - it's modular and configure lets you do that |
| 11:34.25 | lcukx41 | then why in gods name does it take a fortnight to compile |
| 11:34.32 | lbt | webkit |
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| 11:34.40 | lcukx41 | then strip it |
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| 11:34.44 | lcukx41 | do you need it for shopper? |
| 11:34.56 | lbt | no, we need it for Mer |
| 11:35.02 | lbt | Mer is 'full' |
| 11:35.06 | Stskeeps | lbt: gcc + glibc i guess |
| 11:35.51 | lcukx41 | actually lbt, i think shopper itself does need it - how else would you parse your css stuff |
| 11:35.52 | lbt | Stskeeps: honestly I think the best approach is to replicate the entire build env here and then beat at it |
| 11:36.10 | lbt | core Qt has css for widget styling |
| 11:36.25 | lbt | it's using css as a namespace selector mechanism |
| 11:36.36 | lbt | not as an html render |
| 11:36.56 | lbt | so it sets c++ object parameters via css |
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| 11:37.03 | lbt | like a config language |
| 11:38.10 | lbt | Stskeeps: does that sound sane? at the moment it's a bit fuzzy in my head as to what does what and so it's hard to help fix it. |
| 11:38.44 | johnx | pops by |
| 11:39.18 | lcukx41 | tried searching for minimal qt stuff a while aog, ill dig some more later |
| 11:39.24 | qwerty12 | hey johnx |
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| 11:40.16 | Stskeeps | lbt: sane thing is simply to make a cross-compilation version of ubuntu's gcc i guess |
| 11:40.39 | EruditeHermit | hi |
| 11:40.40 | lbt | shame I'm on Debian - still, I have virtualbox... |
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| 11:40.50 | EruditeHermit | can anyone tell me what app this is? |
| 11:40.57 | EruditeHermit | http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/15/ubuntu-9-04-ported-to-nokias-n8x0-internet-tablets |
| 11:41.03 | EruditeHermit | the system information application |
| 11:41.30 | lbt | lcukx41: join the maemo-qt mail list and ask gnuton |
| 11:41.34 | Stskeeps | grr @ ubuntu getting too much attention |
| 11:42.16 | EruditeHermit | also what is the latest version of maemo 4.1? |
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| 11:42.49 | EruditeHermit | 2008.36.5? |
| 11:42.49 | johnx | 4.1.2 |
| 11:42.56 | johnx | 43-7 IIRC |
| 11:43.02 | EruditeHermit | hmm |
| 11:43.10 | johnx | the 43 is right at least :) |
| 11:43.17 | EruditeHermit | hmm |
| 11:43.25 | EruditeHermit | how come I am not getting an OTA update for it? |
| 11:43.34 | lcukx41 | lbt, im not thinking just maemo, if i can cull most of the crap and get back to the baseline i might understand the whole better |
| 11:43.35 | johnx | Stskeeps, yeah, just saw that :/ Thankfully I think most people know that they don't really want a mouse driven UI on a touchable device... |
| 11:44.16 | EruditeHermit | johnx: arent you the debian port guy |
| 11:44.17 | EruditeHermit | =p |
| 11:44.35 | lcukx41 | people want shiny and pretty |
| 11:44.39 | johnx | EruditeHermit, I *was* :) |
| 11:44.46 | EruditeHermit | what happened? |
| 11:44.49 | lcukx41 | and those pics certainly look the part |
| 11:44.54 | qwerty12 | lcukx41++ |
| 11:44.57 | lbt | lcukx41: nah - I know almost nothing about any Qt beyond core. They're bright chaps - don't assume it is done badly |
| 11:45.04 | Stskeeps | johnx: http://trac.tspre.org:8000/ btw, much saner than jaiku :P |
| 11:45.45 | lcukx41 | lbt, not assuming anything is done badly - its a whole tower though and it starts from the seed in the middle - understand that one crystal and the rest of the geode will make sense |
| 11:46.02 | johnx | EruditeHermit, I realized that it kind of sucks to be using a UI intended for a mouse with a stylus/thumb :) |
| 11:46.17 | EruditeHermit | lol |
| 11:46.26 | Stskeeps | johnx: we should really work towards wrapping the ubuntu project into mer / solving the issues that keeps gnome from being included :P |
| 11:46.32 | lbt | indeed - http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/overviews.html |
| 11:47.00 | EruditeHermit | so how come my OTA never updated to 2008.43? |
| 11:47.11 | EruditeHermit | was it an OTA update or a flash update? |
| 11:47.28 | lbt | lcuk ... and http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/mainclasses.html |
| 11:48.18 | rmt_ | Woo.. think my image viewer is now touchscreen enabled.. still have to wait for my N810 to arrive, though. :-( |
| 11:48.42 | lbt | EruditeHermit: I had that problem - somehow I think the updater was removed... |
| 11:48.55 | Stskeeps | lbt: did i get you on jaiku btw? |
| 11:49.13 | lbt | I think there was a problem.. so I'm not |
| 11:49.20 | lbt | do I need an invite or something |
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| 11:49.30 | rmt_ | Are there any Maemo wiki apps? I was thinking of an app that synchronises with a website where most of the editing is really done. |
| 11:49.50 | Stskeeps | lbt: yeah, you added yourself to Mer/People so i just need your email in a /msg quickly :P |
| 11:50.46 | lbt | EruditeHermit: https://wiki.maemo.org/Seamless_Software_Update |
| 11:51.24 | lbt | IIRC (and I may not) this fixed it for me: apt-get install osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked |
| 11:51.28 | rmt_ | Btw - I assume that the only requirement for touchscreen usage is to respond to clicks / button down events (Gtk speak), and not rely on focus or mouse enter/exit events. |
| 11:51.50 | lbt | Or that could have been rotate... hmm |
| 11:52.19 | lcukx41 | rmt_: mouse focus and enter exit occurs |
| 11:52.32 | lcukx41 | and keyboard tabbing works in gtk |
| 11:52.56 | lcukx41 | have you never used a wacom tablet on any os before? |
| 11:53.40 | lcukx41 | the only difference the OS sees between mouse input and stylus is that with a stylus there is no MouseMove with no buttons pressed. everything else is identcal |
| 11:56.29 | lcukx41 | the problem is at a different level, a mouse ui has different expectations of lazyness and using a stylus for jobs we use a mouse for is wrong - case in point, with a mouse, you normally have a scrollwheel |
| 11:56.43 | lcukx41 | place the mouse cursor "somewhere" in the middle of a list and scroll, it works nicely |
| 11:56.58 | lcukx41 | #with a stylus you need to aim for that little teeny tiny scrollbar |
| 11:57.27 | lcukx41 | completely offtopic: effing youtube have blocked sound to jacobs favorite youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC9FtLQJoGM |
| 11:57.28 | tank-man | sony's jog wheel takes care of that |
| 11:57.42 | lcukx41 | yes possibly |
| 11:57.51 | tank-man | i miss that feature |
| 11:58.12 | lcukx41 | but thats one of the problems with it - i get round it with a kinetic simple scroll which works |
| 11:58.21 | ShadowJK | Sometimes I wish stylus on tablet would work like the touchpad on a laptop... like in the vncviewer or with programs not designed for tablet/touchscreen |
| 11:58.58 | lcukx41 | using a bad widgetset which doesnt respond to your touch properly is just a waste of a touchdevice |
| 11:59.21 | rmt_ | reads and nods. |
| 11:59.24 | lcukx41 | ShadowJK: how do you mean? |
| 11:59.54 | EruditeHermit | thanks lbt |
| 12:00.03 | Stskeeps | lcukx41: you should figure out how to dl them :P |
| 12:00.09 | EruditeHermit | johnx: so what do you work on now =p |
| 12:00.12 | lcukx41 | dl what? |
| 12:00.27 | Stskeeps | lcukx41: youtube vids |
| 12:00.28 | johnx | EruditeHermit, recently: mer. right now: moving :) |
| 12:00.33 | johnx | in the future: mer |
| 12:00.37 | lcukx41 | i like what lbt has done to qt - it would help if those core lists there could be adapted to have the scrollability |
| 12:00.55 | ShadowJK | No click events unless you double tab in the same (rough) place. It seems now if I put stylus on screen and move it, it generates click-hold move type thing.. |
| 12:01.02 | lcukx41 | but i fear subclasses expect certain events to be cleanly done and would break if you started eating events for scrolling |
| 12:01.17 | lbt | lcukx41: Qt4.5 probably has it |
| 12:01.30 | lbt | <huff> and it is cleanly done</huff> |
| 12:01.36 | lcukx41 | Stskeeps: its not the download lol, its the bastard silencing of them, ive got the lp and a vhs somewhere of it |
| 12:01.39 | ShadowJK | So a touchpad-like behaviour would let you do mouseover in programs that are tablet/touch-unaware |
| 12:01.56 | lcukx41 | lbt, it will have to come from the core (motivation..) and everything built ontop wont handle them simply |
| 12:02.24 | lcukx41 | ShadowJK: but those same touch unaware apps DO respond to mouse actions - by clicking items etc |
| 12:02.32 | ShadowJK | Yes |
| 12:02.35 | lbt | hildonisation could include it |
| 12:03.01 | lcukx41 | but then the apps wont be generically crossplatform |
| 12:03.40 | lbt | they should be |
| 12:03.51 | lcukx41 | not if they need specific hildonization |
| 12:03.58 | Stskeeps | lbt: i wonder how they detect if it should hildonize or not.. like, run-time wise |
| 12:04.06 | lbt | they don't AFAIK |
| 12:04.16 | Stskeeps | it would be more powerful if it did it :P |
| 12:04.17 | ShadowJK | It works mostly fine if the app doesn't mind that you move the pointer around with mouse button pressed |
| 12:04.18 | lbt | at the moment it's configure option |
| 12:04.21 | lbt | it would |
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| 12:04.55 | lcukx41 | so when an app expects mouse click and you eat it and the app breaks because they dont get a click (because it was detected as a scroll action) |
| 12:05.03 | lbt | OTOH if a device has the library loaded then it isn't going to flick between needing hildon and not |
| 12:05.05 | lcukx41 | or that app does it itself because of limitations |
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| 12:05.30 | lbt | lcuk it doesn't work quite like that |
| 12:05.39 | lcukx41 | ie you have modified the default yourself - the chances are many apps built up from those core things have made their own fixes |
| 12:05.45 | lbt | I'm actually careful to store and replay events |
| 12:05.49 | lcukx41 | its like y2k all over again but regarding input |
| 12:05.56 | lbt | if I taste them |
| 12:06.04 | lbt | and then decide they aren't scrolls |
| 12:06.22 | lbt | OTOH if I decide it is a scroll then it isn't a click |
| 12:06.22 | lcukx41 | you have just made the app slower by waiting to decide what to do |
| 12:06.29 | lcukx41 | then playing those back at a later time |
| 12:06.52 | lcukx41 | its a complex problem, ive thought about it from a number of contexts in the past |
| 12:06.54 | ShadowJK | I'm surprised actually that the vnc viewer in maemo isn't doing touchpad emulation for the virtual mouse... don't tell me synaptic has a patent on it? :-) |
| 12:07.00 | lbt | well, invent a touch screen with the exact same semantics as a 3-button mouse with a scroll wheel then |
| 12:07.34 | lbt | Or try and use a 3-button app on a Mac |
| 12:07.48 | lcukx41 | mighty mouse has 3 buttons doesnt it |
| 12:08.01 | lbt | it was bad enough when we had 3-button-emulation in XFree |
| 12:08.19 | lcukx41 | it gets even worse when you consider multitouch |
| 12:08.24 | lbt | yes indeed |
| 12:08.36 | lbt | now, many things in Qt are not about 'clicks' |
| 12:08.42 | ShadowJK | Like bluemaemo does, except showing the vnc window/app window instead of the fancy theme |
| 12:08.42 | lbt | they are about 'activate' |
| 12:09.06 | lbt | and the mapping of the interface to the trigger is hildonisation |
| 12:09.15 | tank-man | multitouch, that gives me the idea to try and test 2 mice on my desktop |
| 12:09.36 | lcukx41 | but if your app is any indication its not the core that will fail, its the fixes youput ontop of that |
| 12:09.37 | lbt | so Qt scroll mechanism emits events that say "I scrolled" |
| 12:09.52 | lbt | and the app doesn't know how - fingers, scrollbar, wheel |
| 12:09.53 | lcukx41 | i just have a move event |
| 12:09.57 | EruditeHermit | is the next tablet going to be multitouch? |
| 12:10.17 | lbt | if you go in deep then you have to do the clever interface abstraction yourself |
| 12:10.21 | lcukx41 | EruditeHermit: no - it was just me extending thiking |
| 12:10.54 | lbt | well, Xorg is looking at multi-touch - it's horribly complex. |
| 12:10.58 | lcukx41 | lbt, the app shouldnt care how or why its moving, its just that moving at that time is the correct thing to do and the app should handle itself |
| 12:11.04 | lbt | yes indeedy |
| 12:11.18 | lcukx41 | which is how i do it at present |
| 12:11.32 | lbt | so if we hildonise the scrollbar a good app won't care |
| 12:11.55 | lcukx41 | but its not the scrollbar thats being hildonized, its the main surface |
| 12:12.09 | lbt | mmm |
| 12:12.36 | lcukx41 | and that main surface will already have its handlers |
| 12:12.47 | lbt | not with you there? |
| 12:12.53 | lcukx41 | qt is entrenched in mouse ui |
| 12:13.12 | lbt | no more so than every other gui framework |
| 12:13.29 | lcukx41 | :) |
| 12:13.34 | lbt | and actually most code in a Qt app doesn't touch mouse events |
| 12:13.38 | lcukx41 | breaks the rules |
| 12:13.59 | lcukx41 | totally agree |
| 12:14.03 | lbt | in fact a Qt app that uses 'mouse' is "unusual" |
| 12:14.32 | lbt | so I disagree that "qt is entrenched in mouse ui" |
| 12:14.41 | lcukx41 | no, but it is evolved from objects which at their core do - and each layer of abstraction takes you one step away from solving it in a novel and simple manner |
| 12:14.49 | lbt | I think it has done an excellent abstraction job |
| 12:15.01 | lbt | there is no simple manner |
| 12:15.02 | lcukx41 | 100% agree |
| 12:15.11 | lbt | any touch system fails on a non-touch |
| 12:15.20 | lbt | or keyboard driven |
| 12:15.26 | lcukx41 | yes, they are very different |
| 12:15.34 | lcukx41 | 1 size does not fit all |
| 12:15.42 | lbt | which is where abstraction comes in |
| 12:15.45 | lcukx41 | i do not expect to wear my running shoes on the icerink |
| 12:15.52 | lbt | socks though |
| 12:16.07 | lbt | and shoelaces |
| 12:16.13 | lbt | and soles and uppers |
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| 12:16.17 | lcukx41 | lol |
| 12:16.28 | lbt | most things are shared |
| 12:16.37 | lbt | good abstaction is done well |
| 12:16.48 | lbt | which is why hildon is configured |
| 12:16.53 | lbt | not run-time |
| 12:16.59 | lbt | (probably) |
| 12:17.17 | lbt | If you live on an ice-rink you *never* need running shoes... |
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| 12:17.42 | lbt | Anyhow - lets see about gcc for Mer |
| 12:17.44 | lcukx41 | yes, like i said originally, i think qt is amazingly good |
| 12:18.01 | lcukx41 | (or i probably put it as its not bad) :D |
| 12:18.53 | lbt | oh, it still needs a good kicking every now and again... |
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| 12:19.21 | lcukx41 | heh |
| 12:19.50 | lbt | this snippet : http://pastebin.com/d3d7b31c5 |
| 12:20.22 | lbt | is needed to make sure the scrolled area is redrawn properly following a child font change. |
| 12:20.37 | lbt | yes, you need to call processEvents() twice.... |
| 12:21.02 | lcukx41 | lol |
| 12:21.20 | lcukx41 | did you suss why you get killed |
| 12:26.03 | lbt | https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=3627&group_id=424&atid=1605 |
| 12:28.14 | lcukx41 | its killing multiple people! |
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| 12:29.06 | Tu13es | hmm |
| 12:29.19 | Tu13es | anyone tried jaunty on an n8x0? |
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| 12:33.22 | Corsac | Tu13es: mer is based on jaunty, afaik |
| 12:33.33 | Tu13es | ah, i was wondering what that was |
| 12:37.48 | lcukx41 | lbt, identical usability problems/glitches arise when using a nipple instead of a a mouse. it works but its not optimal :D |
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| 12:39.25 | lbt | well, not identical... you control a cursor on the screen |
| 12:41.15 | lcukx41 | from a usability perspective ive still got to aim that cursor in the wrong place and i cant use the neat hack that is a scrollwheel |
| 12:42.09 | lbt | well, you can have a scrollwheel and a nipple |
| 12:42.12 | lbt | or a trackerball |
| 12:42.26 | lbt | all control an onscreen cursor |
| 12:42.45 | lbt | touch loses the onscreen cursor - it's implicit in the movement |
| 12:43.36 | glass | nipple is nice for gaming |
| 12:44.47 | lcukx41 | lbt, "can", this x41 has no additional things, im reminded whenever i try to use it and wonder how people become comfortable with touchpads etc (though they have the hack nowadays) |
| 12:45.50 | lcukx41 | glass? i cant even control it normally, just using it to navigate a webpage is hard work |
| 12:46.39 | glass | lcukx41: lack of practice? not enough sensitivity in the nipple? |
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| 12:47.30 | glass | lcukx41: a good nipple has a quite wide range, like a decent joystick |
| 12:47.34 | lcukx41 | its sensitive enough, its just very fiddly to get around |
| 12:49.02 | t-nor | hi, is Marijn Kruisselbrink is here please ? |
| 12:50.11 | RST38h | moo all |
| 12:50.36 | RST38h | reads "<glass> lcukx41: lack of practice? not enough sensitivity in the nipple?" and wonders. |
| 12:51.10 | lcukx41 | shows rst his nipple |
| 12:51.14 | Tu13es | so should I install Mer or the plain Ubuntu? |
| 12:51.56 | lcukx41 | t-nor: people commonly use nicknames in there |
| 12:52.14 | t-nor | i don't know is nickname |
| 12:52.28 | lbt | Tu13es: Mer |
| 12:52.37 | lcukx41 | i might be wrong but i think its mek |
| 12:52.37 | t-nor | but i created this repository : http://93.157.1.37/~marijn/maemo/ |
| 12:52.38 | lbt | if you want to use touch |
| 12:52.46 | t-nor | s/i/he/ |
| 12:52.54 | Tu13es | ah, that's sort of important as i'm on an n800 |
| 12:52.57 | lbt | lcukx41: sorry, busy RMAing a switch |
| 12:53.27 | lbt | Tu13es: true - Mer is still alpha though... (as is ubuntu) |
| 12:53.32 | lcukx41 | lbt dont worry just pondering still |
| 12:53.33 | Tu13es | heh, yeah |
| 12:53.44 | Tu13es | the alpha part doesn't bug me, i just need a reason to dig out my n800 :P |
| 12:53.46 | lcukx41 | t-nor: yeah its mek you are after and hes here but away |
| 12:54.18 | t-nor | ok thanks |
| 12:55.34 | Tu13es | oh, if 0.10 is out tomorrow i'll wait on that then |
| 12:57.51 | Stskeeps | .. want to kill the teenagers in the train |
| 12:58.02 | Tu13es | how much SD do I need for Mer? |
| 12:58.31 | Stskeeps | 1-2gb, depending on usage |
| 12:58.42 | Tu13es | hmm |
| 12:58.48 | Tu13es | k |
| 12:58.59 | Tu13es | is it just lighter than the Ubuntu release? that one recommends 4+gb |
| 12:59.23 | lcukx41 | i have mer on my 1gb mem stick, am i doing something wrong |
| 12:59.27 | Stskeeps | Tu13es: yeah, it's lighter |
| 12:59.48 | Tu13es | aha |
| 13:00.07 | Tu13es | does it "look" like ubuntu? from the screenshot it mostly just looks like Maemo |
| 13:00.20 | Stskeeps | it looks like maemo but has 90% of apps from ubuntu :P |
| 13:00.38 | Tu13es | interesting |
| 13:00.41 | Stskeeps | trust me, after a bit you get tired of a desktop env on a mobile device |
| 13:00.52 | Tu13es | heh, i'm sure |
| 13:01.00 | Tu13es | i get tired of my n800 anyways though :P |
| 13:01.23 | thopiekar | wtf? there is no graphviz available in i386 repos? |
| 13:01.28 | thopiekar | just in armel? |
| 13:01.34 | thopiekar | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/speex_1.2~beta4-2maemo0/i386.root.log.FAILED.txt |
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| 13:17.26 | lcukx41 | anyone know a small light "wordpad" repalcement for linux? |
| 13:18.17 | Stskeeps | vim? |
| 13:18.18 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:19.06 | lcukx41 | lol |
| 13:21.13 | till__ | kwrite |
| 13:22.11 | lcukx41 | does it work in gnome? |
| 13:22.27 | till__ | if you install the kde-libs as well |
| 13:22.37 | till__ | but in this case a gnome-based edtor would be easier |
| 13:22.42 | lcukx41 | ooh leafpad comes up in the same search |
| 13:22.42 | till__ | gedit or so |
| 13:22.45 | lcukx41 | ive heard of leafpad |
| 13:22.53 | lcukx41 | i want basic rtf formatting |
| 13:22.59 | lcukx41 | but not ott |
| 13:23.07 | till__ | openoffice :) |
| 13:23.17 | till__ | or abiword |
| 13:24.07 | lcukx41 | too much bloat |
| 13:24.11 | till__ | scite ? |
| 13:24.19 | till__ | just did an apt-cache search gtk rtf |
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| 13:26.12 | lcukx41 | heh, leafpad is a replacement for "notepad" - thats good to know at least |
| 13:26.18 | lcukx41 | but gedit does most of that for me |
| 13:27.25 | lcukx41 | tries scite |
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| 13:28.15 | lcukx41 | kwrite has no formatting |
| 13:29.59 | till__ | there are all text-editors i think |
| 13:30.06 | till__ | and no rtf |
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| 13:31.12 | rmt_ | lcuk, I found a python rtf widget a little back. |
| 13:32.11 | rmt_ | lcuk, But I'll have to dig up the name of it again.. and my gf's rushing me out the door.. so later. :-P |
| 13:32.51 | lcukx41 | lol |
| 13:33.16 | lcukx41 | ill just install wine and wordpad then - the bitch is the tiny default editor on maemo is probably just enough for my needs |
| 13:33.21 | lcukx41 | but i want it on a big screen |
| 13:33.45 | lcukx41 | Stskeeps: QUICK!!! can you get mer production ready by 2pm? |
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| 13:52.34 | RST38h | "Further testing has shown that is is both intelligent and malignant." |
| 13:52.47 | RST38h | "Prolonged eye contact caused one of my assistants to go suddenly and violently insane, killing and raping the corpse of my other assistant with such speed that it took the shocked guard almost 30 seconds to put the poor boy down. Further experimentation is not recommended." |
| 13:53.09 | Corsac | ? |
| 13:55.54 | RST38h | Corsac: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-403 |
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| 14:11.17 | GeneralAntilles | Engadget picks up the weirdest stories on the tablets. |
| 14:12.21 | Stskeeps | yes |
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| 14:17.48 | RST38h | General: SPARC-based 24" flexible tablets? =) |
| 14:18.39 | RST38h | "HR departments at companies like Microsoft and IBM are starting to use mathematical analysis to determine the value of each employee." - oh no |
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| 14:19.40 | RST38h | ah I see what you mean |
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| 14:21.18 | GeneralAntilles | Well, I've now got the battery for a Beagle carputer |
| 14:21.42 | timelE61i | bAttery? |
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| 14:23.23 | StsN800 | mercar? |
| 14:24.12 | lcukx41 | mermobile |
| 14:28.18 | GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, a little li-ion battery I got off woot that outputs to USB. |
| 14:28.42 | GeneralAntilles | Just need to find a USB-to-Beagle adaptor so I can free up the MiniUSB port for real stuff. |
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| 14:40.24 | ShadowJK | GeneralAntilles, I had been wondering if those li-ion+boost_converter things spat out power clean enough to run something like beagle :) |
| 14:40.51 | GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, well, it boots to u-boot anyway. |
| 14:40.56 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno about more than that. |
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| 14:41.16 | GeneralAntilles | I'm picturing it more as a keep-alive solution while the car is off. |
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| 15:14.37 | orangey | hello all! |
| 15:14.59 | orangey | I have noticed a peculiar problem - I'm not sure how long it's been there. Basically, my /etc/resolv.conf is no longer updated when I connect to a new network. |
| 15:15.28 | orangey | I don't see anything obvious on bugs.m.o |
| 15:15.41 | orangey | any thoughts on how to go foward? |
| 15:15.49 | Stskeeps | isn't it supposed to be 127.0.0.1 constantly? :P |
| 15:15.53 | Stskeeps | and go to dnsmasq |
| 15:15.56 | orangey | really? |
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| 15:16.05 | Stskeeps | .. i think so |
| 15:16.36 | qwerty12_N800 | cat /tmp/resolv.conf.wlan0 |
| 15:17.14 | orangey | that is correct |
| 15:17.25 | orangey | wow. that's weird. |
| 15:17.27 | orangey | that certainly works. |
| 15:17.31 | orangey | I wonder how my resolv.conf got messed up |
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| 15:24.36 | ranjith | hi all |
| 15:26.26 | lcukx41 | hi ranjith, you just missed all |
| 15:26.28 | lcukx41 | he just left |
| 15:26.49 | ranjith | lcukx41: why..? |
| 15:27.35 | ranjith | lcukx41: i dint get you.. why you said i missed all..? |
| 15:28.10 | lcukx41 | ... dont worry |
| 15:28.54 | ranjith | luckx41..hm..? |
| 15:29.20 | z4chh | does anyone have mobile mythtv installed? |
| 15:29.21 | ranjith | oh iwas just saying hi everybody.. |
| 15:29.39 | orangey | z4chh: not I, but I find the idea fascinating, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. |
| 15:29.54 | z4chh | o_O |
| 15:29.58 | ranjith | dint notice any one with alias 'all' here.. |
| 15:30.08 | lbt | I'm not aware that mythtv runs on the N8x0 |
| 15:30.18 | orangey | ranjith: that's because All left just before you arrived. |
| 15:30.22 | z4chh | lbt, frontend mythtv |
| 15:30.28 | lcukx41 | nor am i - i would also like to subscribe to the newsletter as wlel |
| 15:30.31 | z4chh | can't have a backend of course ;p |
| 15:30.32 | qwerty12_N800 | lbt: the client was ported |
| 15:30.46 | lbt | I must have been hibernating |
| 15:30.53 | lcukx41 | z4chh: why cant it - we have a video source |
| 15:30.55 | orangey | lbt. Yep. It's been a while |
| 15:30.59 | VDVsx | anyone managed to get extras-devel repo inside scratchbox in maemo 5 ? |
| 15:31.26 | GAN800 | Later, folks. |
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| 15:32.17 | lbt | waves to GAN800 |
| 15:32.34 | z4chh | lcukx41, i suppose there is a way to make it a myth backend but i was pointing out the obvious, nxxo doesn't have a built-in tv tuner >.< |
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| 15:32.53 | lbt | has an fm tuner. |
| 15:33.08 | lcukx41 | i did a video call to tracy te other day whilst football was on telly and she was busy in the kitchen cooking :D |
| 15:33.14 | lcukx41 | n810 doesnt |
| 15:33.25 | lbt | nyah |
| 15:33.36 | orangey | heheh. telly : ) |
| 15:33.37 | qwerty12_N800 | n810 is nothing |
| 15:33.53 | lcukx41 | it worked well until jakey picked it up and started wandering round the house goin "mum, mum why are you shouting" |
| 15:33.56 | orangey | as an aside, is maemo 5 out/usable yet? |
| 15:33.56 | z4chh | lcuk, what did you make a video call with? gizmo? |
| 15:34.15 | orangey | z4chh: I think only sofia works with maemo |
| 15:34.17 | orangey | sofiasip |
| 15:34.17 | lcukx41 | z4chh: the default internet call thing, it works through google |
| 15:34.29 | orangey | z4chh: gtalk? that does video with maemo? |
| 15:34.30 | lcukx41 | works nicely |
| 15:34.36 | z4chh | lcukx41, ahh, ive used that |
| 15:34.43 | lcukx41 | default internet calling yeah |
| 15:34.51 | lcukx41 | doesnt know the name of the app |
| 15:34.53 | lcukx41 | is a n00b |
| 15:35.07 | orangey | it's via gmail though? |
| 15:35.22 | lcukx41 | i think so, gmail bobs up when i am using it |
| 15:35.26 | lcukx41 | on desktop |
| 15:35.40 | lcukx41 | i havent tried video from 810 to desktop though |
| 15:35.51 | lcukx41 | its just mysterious and uses the airwaves somehow |
| 15:35.53 | lcukx41 | waves hands |
| 15:36.24 | lcukx41 | ballsack |
| 15:36.29 | lcukx41 | my 810 is dead again |
| 15:36.48 | lcukx41 | this has been the same for most of the week |
| 15:36.55 | lcukx41 | ponders what has been installed |
| 15:36.56 | orangey | you have to take the ballsack off of it to see the screen clearly. |
| 15:37.13 | orangey | sometimes you should consider a good spray cleaner and wipe with a microcloth too if it's smudged |
| 15:37.30 | lcukx41 | but if i do that i cant use my stylus |
| 15:37.35 | lcukx41 | it doesnt stretch that far |
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| 15:37.40 | qwerty12_N800 | I'd also clean the residue |
| 15:37.45 | lcukx41 | no matter how much i pull it |
| 15:38.03 | orangey | hahaha! |
| 15:38.11 | orangey | way to extend the joke : ) |
| 15:38.17 | lcukx41 | tried giving it a really big yank |
| 15:38.24 | lcukx41 | i ended up in hospital! |
| 15:38.42 | lcukx41 | straightens tie |
| 15:39.09 | lcukx41 | now, my 810 has not survived a night for about a week, its got to be something ive installed because i havent done anything different now to how i normally use it |
| 15:39.39 | lcukx41 | does qt install anything that runs all the time |
| 15:41.55 | orangey | I can't imagine why it would |
| 15:42.36 | lcukx41 | nor can i |
| 15:42.54 | lcukx41 | umm, theres a list somewhere of the packages installed in sequence, ive found it once in the past |
| 15:44.03 | orangey | on the maemo? |
| 15:44.10 | orangey | it's usually in /var/apt or something, no? |
| 15:44.25 | orangey | anyone get maqii running? the quake 2? |
| 15:47.36 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N800, do you have extras-devel configured inside your maemo 5 SDK ? |
| 15:47.56 | qwerty12_N800 | VDVsx: nope :) |
| 15:48.33 | qwerty12_N800 | I'm booting into linux now, lemme see if I can get it done |
| 15:48.34 | VDVsx | mine is failing to fetch :( |
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| 15:52.26 | lbt | slaps Debian for doing bad things to his bridge interface in an update |
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| 15:54.06 | qwerty12 | VDVsx, "deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free" WFM |
| 15:54.20 | qwerty12 | (and "deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free" for some apt-get sourcing) |
| 15:54.22 | VDVsx | qwerty12, works ? |
| 15:54.31 | qwerty12_N800 | yep |
| 15:54.49 | qwerty12_N800 | Just installed mikkov's leafpad |
| 15:55.24 | lcukx41 | i cant find where the dpkg history i found a while ago is |
| 15:55.33 | lcukx41 | lemme do some investigation |
| 15:55.44 | VDVsx | I'm having a lot of errors here :) lets restart scratchbox :) |
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| 15:57.18 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N800, the app manager works for you in maemo 5 ? |
| 15:57.36 | qwerty12_N800 | No, it says no apps installed |
| 15:57.53 | qwerty12_N800 | I just apt-get my way around |
| 16:00.02 | lcukx41 | qwerty12_N800lcuk, the "pretty" way: ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list | awk '{print $6 " "$7" "$8}' | sed s/.list// | sort |
| 16:00.14 | lcukx41 | needs to put qwerty on a retainer |
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| 16:01.11 | qwerty12 | Think someone posted a cleaner command line than that :P |
| 16:01.54 | lcukx41 | if i could bring up the folder in the gui i would know specifically which was causing my hangups |
| 16:02.58 | sisto1 | this is quite outdated: http://test.maemo.org/faq/faq.html |
| 16:04.22 | qwerty12_N800 | All of test is outdated |
| 16:05.23 | VDVsx | gonna do a maemo 5 screencast, any sugested app to show ? :) |
| 16:06.53 | sisto1 | VDVsx: where do you post them? |
| 16:07.33 | lcukx41 | VDVsx: youtube |
| 16:07.41 | VDVsx | yes |
| 16:07.55 | lbt | VDVsx: Shopper |
| 16:08.04 | lbt | see if the rotation works... |
| 16:08.10 | lbt | and Qt |
| 16:08.25 | VDVsx | lbt, is in fremantle extras-devel ? |
| 16:08.28 | qwerty12 | Lol, I can actually IRC from GTA :P |
| 16:08.50 | lbt | I thought they threw the whole of Diablo Extras into the fremantle builder |
| 16:09.01 | lcukx41 | if the computer inside gta is running microsoft you can probably pwn it as well |
| 16:09.02 | qwerty12 | Nah, you have to upload your self for the time being |
| 16:09.07 | lcukx41 | i hope its got norton installed |
| 16:09.21 | lbt | mutter - gimme a sec then :) |
| 16:09.33 | z4chh | does anyone play blobby volley? >.< |
| 16:09.38 | lbt | Directory listing is not allowed : http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle/ |
| 16:09.45 | lbt | WTF? |
| 16:09.59 | lcukx41 | i would guess you cannot list the directory |
| 16:10.06 | VDVsx | don't have enough time for that :) |
| 16:10.17 | lbt | can for diablo |
| 16:10.21 | sisto1 | VDVsx: what is your youtube channel? |
| 16:10.34 | sisto1 | z4chh: I've just installed it |
| 16:10.42 | sisto1 | but it's too fast for me |
| 16:10.42 | z4chh | sisto1, it is addicting o_o |
| 16:10.46 | lcukx41 | just wants to see a quick run through of the clutterybits and anything else fancy |
| 16:10.48 | sisto1 | I lowered the speed to 40% |
| 16:10.58 | VDVsx | sisto1, VDVLinux |
| 16:11.10 | sisto1 | z4chh: it's fun and addicting yes :) |
| 16:11.47 | z4chh | to bad the network game doesn't work |
| 16:12.36 | sisto1 | VDVsx: thank you, will check it out |
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| 16:13.16 | VDVsx | I have to make the screen first :) |
| 16:13.39 | sisto1 | ok... will check in 5 minutes then :P |
| 16:13.54 | sisto1 | :) |
| 16:15.04 | VDVsx | sisto1, ahaha, you have to wait a little more time :P |
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| 16:15.24 | sisto1 | :> |
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| 16:19.05 | VDVsx | qwerty12, what apps had you already submitted to fremantle extras-devel ? |
| 16:19.44 | qwerty12 | VDVsx, nothing as of yet - I'm focusing on chinook/diablo ATM |
| 16:19.59 | VDVsx | humm |
| 16:20.24 | VDVsx | qwerty12, you don't upload transmition ? |
| 16:21.25 | qwerty12 | not atm |
| 16:21.53 | VDVsx | I don't know what exist already in fremantle :( |
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| 16:22.00 | qwerty12 | I need to remove the maemo-select-menu-location thing and make it so it compiles cleanly under Fremantle |
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| 16:33.36 | lcukx41 | qwerty12it should work still shouldnt it - they just said depreciated |
| 16:33.46 | lcukx41 | and useless |
| 16:33.58 | lcukx41 | but not a direct "you must remove this" |
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| 16:34.28 | qwerty12 | Good point, but I'll have to check to make sure it doesn't exit with !=0 value or that'll mess things up |
| 16:34.34 | lcukx41 | maemo-select-country-location(northerner, southern_jessie) is still around i hope |
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| 16:34.42 | qwerty12 | hehe# |
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| 16:38.16 | lcukx41 | lbt, how strick about OO is the qt model. does it enforce strict rules about your classes? |
| 16:38.31 | lbt | it's C++ |
| 16:38.32 | lcukx41 | ie, are you allowed globals etc |
| 16:38.37 | lbt | yes |
| 16:38.54 | lcukx41 | yeah i know that, but c++ allows a lot more than some |
| 16:39.51 | lcukx41 | im just pondering my way around an idea ive got and wonder whether c++ will give me what im looking for |
| 16:40.05 | lbt | it's a *very* thin veneer on top of C++ it just provided some macro-like keywords which are expanded into 'moc' files |
| 16:40.13 | lbt | these go into the make and depends |
| 16:40.17 | lbt | and are all linked |
| 16:40.41 | lbt | consider it as "almost vanilla" C++ |
| 16:40.46 | lcukx41 | do they use instance globals though |
| 16:41.06 | lcukx41 | i am wondering just how much of the object model is accessible without any globals at all |
| 16:41.18 | lbt | there are some - eg qApp is a global variable to allow access to things (think argc) |
| 16:41.39 | lbt | it allows introspection |
| 16:41.42 | lcukx41 | yeah similar in liqbase, but im after making that an instance |
| 16:42.36 | lcukx41 | currently liqbase widgets compile into .so modules for inclusion into the main app, i *think* i can allow the same source to be built with a small wrapper to just be a normal runnable binary |
| 16:42.52 | lbt | it also provides a garbage collector pattern |
| 16:43.18 | lcukx41 | garbage doesnt bother me, once ref count reaches zero things stop existing |
| 16:43.38 | lbt | typically you write a class to extend a well known widgets (eg QMainWindow) |
| 16:43.59 | lbt | but then you create another that includes many instances of specific widgets |
| 16:44.11 | lbt | buttons, labels, text boxes, layouts |
| 16:44.29 | lbt | and then you link your data to the widgets using signals/slots |
| 16:44.51 | lbt | which are auto-generated case switches with guards |
| 16:45.13 | lbt | (plus some thread handling) |
| 16:45.42 | lcukx41 | normal stuff :) so if your "main()" by default called into "createapp()" which returned this instance of your class extended from QMainWindow and did everything on that instance.. |
| 16:46.14 | lcukx41 | .. you could technically then with alternative make options call "createapp()" from something that held lots of these |
| 16:46.23 | lbt | http://pastebin.com/d613d5ac6 |
| 16:47.01 | lbt | http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/qapplication.html |
| 16:48.01 | lbt | however you are straying into OS territory - which may not be good design |
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| 16:51.46 | StsN800 | Meizirkki, you online in 45 mins or so so we can track down Fn issue? |
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| 16:53.55 | disco_stu | hi everybody |
| 16:54.31 | lcukx41 | hiya disco_stu |
| 16:54.42 | lcukx41 | hows it goin |
| 16:54.43 | disco_stu | been away from #maemo for a while |
| 16:54.55 | disco_stu | lcukx41: fine :) |
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| 16:56.03 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps, okay |
| 16:56.09 | disco_stu | lcukx41: i'm tired of microb |
| 16:56.16 | disco_stu | microb sucks ! |
| 16:56.42 | qwerty12_N800 | Tear FTW |
| 16:56.45 | lcukx41 | i wouldnt know, i use the internet so infrequently lol |
| 16:57.13 | qwerty12 | disco_stu: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26475 |
| 16:57.28 | disco_stu | qwerty12: last time i tried tear it used to crash every 5 minutes.. letrs try it now |
| 16:57.41 | disco_stu | qwerty12: have you tried prism ? |
| 16:57.50 | qwerty12 | Still crashes but a *lot* less often |
| 16:57.50 | qwerty12 | nope |
| 16:58.21 | disco_stu | qwerty12: i saw this: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/prism-maemo4/ |
| 16:58.46 | disco_stu | qwerty12: but i dont have 30mb, cause i'm not running from clone os rigth now |
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| 16:59.11 | fireun | how about gotos? |
| 16:59.26 | lcukx41 | ? |
| 17:01.08 | lbt | gotos? Ah, Microsoft. |
| 17:02.56 | lcukx41 | the got OS is very instable |
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| 17:15.01 | lcukx41 | VDVsx: !!!!! |
| 17:16.15 | VDVsx | lcukx41, don't like the video, lol, I done my best :) eheheh |
| 17:16.49 | lcukx41 | just the opposite, the video is very impressive |
| 17:17.04 | t-nor | hi, i want to install about 250Mo of package on my N810. How could i install it on mmc2 |
| 17:17.07 | t-nor | ? |
| 17:17.32 | t-nor | because on / there are not enough free space |
| 17:17.41 | lcukx41 | t-nor: you could switch your system over to boot from your mmc card |
| 17:17.41 | lbt | t-nor: in general you can't |
| 17:17.59 | disco_stu | qwerty12: where can i get libwebkit ? |
| 17:18.07 | lbt | or you could find a directory with lots in it |
| 17:18.09 | lcukx41 | but is it 250mb of apps or is it data that could be pointed to from a smaller installed app |
| 17:18.14 | lbt | move it to the mmc2 |
| 17:18.19 | lbt | mount it back on the same dir |
| 17:18.28 | lbt | and free up space that way |
| 17:18.42 | lbt | I did that with /home/user/.../maps |
| 17:18.57 | lcukx41 | maps is already on mmc2? |
| 17:19.00 | lbt | so all my map dls for Maemo Mapper are not taking up space in / |
| 17:19.02 | lcukx41 | on my 810 it is anways |
| 17:19.14 | lcukx41 | ahh |
| 17:19.16 | lbt | maybe I was hacking :) |
| 17:19.25 | t-nor | it's not possible to install on mmc2 with dpkg --instdir ? |
| 17:19.26 | lbt | principle is the same |
| 17:19.28 | lbt | no |
| 17:19.38 | lbt | well, it's not sane |
| 17:20.12 | disco_stu | qwerty12: i got it :) |
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| 17:20.43 | lbt | t-nor: that would give you a partial chrooted system - you don't want that... |
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| 17:20.45 | t-nor | because it's for a student project, it's not my N810 so if i could do it without flash the device it will be better |
| 17:21.11 | lbt | you shouldn't need to flash it |
| 17:21.23 | lbt | but you're messing in the guts |
| 17:21.24 | qwerty12_N800 | disco_stu: cool :) |
| 17:21.52 | mavhc | why can't you just use symbolic links anyway? |
| 17:22.58 | t-nor | lbt: you means moving files to mmc2 to have enough space to install my packages ? |
| 17:23.10 | lbt | yes |
| 17:23.41 | lbt | first job is to find where all the space has gone |
| 17:23.46 | t-nor | but i don't install anythings on my N810 and map are already on mmc2 |
| 17:24.10 | lbt | can you ssh into it? |
| 17:24.23 | lbt | use: |
| 17:24.27 | t-nor | yes that the only thing i install |
| 17:24.28 | lbt | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:24.36 | t-nor | on / |
| 17:24.38 | t-nor | ? |
| 17:24.51 | lbt | I'd start in /home |
| 17:25.06 | lbt | df -h |
| 17:25.19 | lbt | will also give you info - not sure how much you know |
| 17:25.52 | t-nor | > /dev/mtdblock4 251.5M 158.4M 93.1M 63% / |
| 17:26.17 | t-nor | > /dev/mmcblk0p1 1.8G 250.4M 1.5G 14% /media/mmc2 |
| 17:26.30 | t-nor | nothing on home |
| 17:27.23 | lbt | hmm, I forgot how small they are - I have 2 multi Gb cards :) |
| 17:27.49 | t-nor | yes ... |
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| 17:27.53 | lbt | so try du -sh in /usr |
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| 17:29.33 | t-nor | lbt: http://pastebin.com/m711c4148 |
| 17:29.58 | disco_stu | qwerty12: i can not install tear |
| 17:30.44 | qwerty12 | Grab its dependencies as required |
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| 17:31.38 | disco_stu | qwerty12: libwebkit complains, and i got a broken pipe when dpkg -i 'ing it |
| 17:32.05 | qwerty12 | Broken pipe is when you're out of space or something |
| 17:32.47 | lbt | t-nor: what fs is on mmc2? |
| 17:32.58 | lbt | if it is FAT then you may have problems... |
| 17:33.13 | disco_stu | qwerty12: maybe i have only 28 Mb |
| 17:33.21 | t-nor | ext2 because i try to install package on it vfat don't allow it |
| 17:33.40 | lbt | good |
| 17:33.44 | lbt | so you have 50Mb in /usr/share |
| 17:34.10 | lbt | what you could do is move /usr/share onto mmc2 and then use a symbolic link |
| 17:34.32 | lbt | if you remove mmc2 then your system will fail horribly |
| 17:35.24 | Stskeeps | hm, the blur effect on menus is weird |
| 17:35.48 | lbt | hmm - actually I wonder if that will cause boot-time problems |
| 17:35.55 | lbt | I've not done this you understand :) |
| 17:36.41 | lbt | have a look in / to see if there are any other candidates for moving - /usr accounts for about 1/3 your usage |
| 17:38.08 | t-nor | i don't think that move this kind of repertory is the good solution :-/ |
| 17:38.25 | disco_stu | why in hell nobody puts the tear dependecies all together |
| 17:38.43 | t-nor | it's very risky |
| 17:38.58 | lbt | meh - it's not without risk |
| 17:40.05 | lbt | but you have few options without using a bigger partition for / |
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| 17:40.47 | t-nor | i think i have to flash the device |
| 17:41.21 | t-nor | but what the flash allow me to do ? |
| 17:41.43 | wjt | how would flashing it help more than just removing packages you don't need? |
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| 17:42.30 | t-nor | i just want to have much space, using mmc2 to install package |
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| 17:48.40 | Stskeeps | lo slonopotamus |
| 17:48.55 | slonopotamus | hi Stskeeps |
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| 17:56.22 | t-nor | Is it risky to flash the N810, i will loose the guarantee ? |
| 17:56.32 | Meizirkki | no you will not |
| 17:57.02 | t-nor | i could rollback to the original setting after ? |
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| 17:57.12 | disco_stu | wowwwwwwwwwww |
| 17:57.18 | disco_stu | tear is awesome ! |
| 17:58.53 | Meizirkki | t-nor, flashing is basicly that you revert your tablet to it's original state |
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| 18:30.50 | thopiekar | hi again... |
| 18:31.22 | thopiekar | why is the sb1/2-team not working on x64-repos? |
| 18:32.55 | lcuk | t-nor, flashing your nokia device to original specifications is a standard documented procedure for your tablet, make sure however you follow the instructions carefully |
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| 18:42.33 | b-man | wonders why bman.maemobox.org is down, hmm :( |
| 18:43.09 | Stskeeps | prolly got spiked after your Engadget article |
| 18:43.09 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:43.21 | b-man | What!?!? |
| 18:43.26 | Stskeeps | .. i'm not kidding |
| 18:43.33 | b-man | wow |
| 18:43.42 | Stskeeps | http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/15/ubuntu-9-04-ported-to-nokias-n8x0-internet-tablets/ |
| 18:43.58 | b-man | ..o..m..g.. |
| 18:44.17 | Stskeeps | now, you owe us all beer |
| 18:44.18 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:44.19 | b-man | dances |
| 18:45.08 | b-man | wohhooo!!!!!!! |
| 18:45.36 | Meizirkki | wohoo!! because bman.maemobox.org is down ??? :P |
| 18:45.44 | freelikegnu | congrats! |
| 18:46.02 | freelikegnu | thats some good press, man |
| 18:46.46 | b-man | Meizirkki: because my efforts have been noticed on a global scale |
| 18:47.05 | Meizirkki | yes, i was just kiddin' |
| 18:47.57 | freelikegnu | whats up with your site? |
| 18:48.05 | b-man | wants to tell everyone he knows about this :D |
| 18:48.18 | b-man | it got overloaded |
| 18:48.32 | lbt | b-man: about what? |
| 18:48.45 | Stskeeps | b-man: remember to mention the amount of work put into it by everyone else too ;) |
| 18:48.57 | b-man | I will ;) |
| 18:49.16 | Stskeeps | gets back to his lassanga |
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| 18:59.20 | b-man | sends an e-mail to all of his friends :) |
| 19:00.22 | luke-jr | b-man: with links to the dead site? ;) |
| 19:01.04 | lbt | so now we'll know. no email and we're not your friend.... OK |
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| 19:02.33 | b-man | luke-jr: it's not my fault it got overloaded - i don't have control over that, it's not my server, i'm only using it XD |
| 19:03.39 | timelE61i | oh sure... It isn't your fault for putting content ... An attractive nuisance on a server |
| 19:04.51 | lbt | people get like that when they get famous timelE61i |
| 19:04.54 | b-man | i didn't know it was going to be a hit XD |
| 19:05.30 | b-man | is famous? |
| 19:06.13 | Stskeeps | well |
| 19:06.17 | Stskeeps | your port is |
| 19:06.29 | Stskeeps | your name isn't there ;) |
| 19:06.49 | b-man | omg, 90 people are browsing my thread |
| 19:06.52 | lbt | oh, wait, no. It's 19:06, you were only famous until 19:05. Sorry. |
| 19:07.01 | b-man | lol |
| 19:07.01 | timelE61i | gOtta take a lesson from linus and name your software after yourself |
| 19:07.20 | Myrtti | timelE61i: *Cough* |
| 19:07.27 | Stskeeps | b-man: now just hope you don't get a trademark comment from ubuntu.. |
| 19:07.27 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:07.32 | Myrtti | LIES |
| 19:07.48 | b-man | lil |
| 19:07.49 | Myrtti | mmm onion soup |
| 19:07.52 | b-man | lol |
| 19:07.58 | b-man | Stskeeps: heh |
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| 19:08.04 | Stskeeps | had glorious lassagna today. |
| 19:08.59 | b-man | hopes he doesn't drown in questions |
| 19:09.30 | lbt | so b-man |
| 19:09.42 | lbt | how do you build ubuntu for arm? |
| 19:10.16 | freelikegnu | "how can I get nvidia drivers compiled for ubuntu maemo?!" |
| 19:10.17 | b-man | lol |
| 19:10.35 | freelikegnu | "please make wine run warcraftz" |
| 19:10.44 | lbt | actually I was serious :) |
| 19:10.49 | lbt | do you use sbox? |
| 19:11.01 | lcuk | one of my friends (a hot 20yo fem with big boobs) thinks the guy who ported ubuntu to the tablets must be hot |
| 19:11.14 | lcuk | and she wants his number |
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| 19:11.25 | b-man | lbt: i didn't compile ubuntu for arm, ubuntu did that |
| 19:11.56 | lbt | I want to build the hildonised Qt4.5 for it |
| 19:11.58 | b-man | lcuk: keep in mind i'm 16 |
| 19:12.06 | lbt | for Mer actually |
| 19:12.37 | Stskeeps | b-man: age of consent is 16 in UK |
| 19:12.37 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:12.44 | Stskeeps | .. or is it 17? i forget |
| 19:12.52 | lbt | 16 |
| 19:12.53 | lcuk | and at 16 the thought of that happening wouldv sent my underpant elastic across the room |
| 19:13.04 | lbt | wishes it ever mattered <sigh> |
| 19:13.06 | freelikegnu | "keep in mind i'm 16" guess you are restricted wetware in some countries |
| 19:13.28 | b-man | yup :P |
| 19:13.48 | lcuk | we cant even buy you a beer to celebrate |
| 19:13.49 | Stskeeps | ok .. liberty-mer marquee first gets it background when it is redrawn |
| 19:13.50 | Stskeeps | O_o |
| 19:14.06 | b-man | heh |
| 19:14.30 | freelikegnu | man when I was 16 I was just building rc cars, kids these days are building computers to take over the world |
| 19:14.46 | mavhc | and putting them in rc cars |
| 19:14.47 | b-man | hehe >:) |
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| 19:15.09 | freelikegnu | mavhc: touche! |
| 19:15.20 | mavhc | give him her number, then he can phone when he's old enough |
| 19:15.33 | b-man | lol |
| 19:17.59 | freelikegnu | I've noticed it's psycologically easier to read someonelses book on a train, than check out their PDA screen when they are reading an ebook. It seems like the latter is more of a privacy invasion than the former |
| 19:18.44 | freelikegnu | but I'm still curious what ebooks folks are reading |
| 19:20.03 | freelikegnu | a good ebook reader should have a little screen on the back oriented for other people that displays the name of the book they are reading (at the users option of course) |
| 19:21.20 | fireun | maybe its more cause for conversation |
| 19:21.21 | ShadowJK | I'd want one with an ubertiny field of view |
| 19:21.27 | luke-jr | lcuk: claim it's a religious practice? |
| 19:21.32 | fireun | "hey, is that a kindle? whatscha reading?" |
| 19:21.47 | ShadowJK | So that other people couldn't see the shit I read |
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| 19:23.09 | lcuk | the best public transport pda was an old dell someone pulled out from her bag, before the display came on you could see the scratches in the screen in certain odd palces, when the screen came on it became clear: she played solitaire for what must be a couple of hours a day every day since she got it - the scratches were at the gimme card and the 4 ace spots |
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| 19:23.40 | lcuk | no i wont give out my friends number for religious purposes or not (even though you would say "omg" :D) |
| 19:24.04 | lcuk | shes only interested in ubuntu hackers lol |
| 19:24.13 | luke-jr | lcuk: I mean the beer. |
| 19:24.15 | timelE61i | fRee: i've read that the big sellers in ebooks isn't quite PG13 |
| 19:24.45 | lcuk | :D ahhhh |
| 19:24.50 | lcuk | passes beers round |
| 19:24.55 | fireun | ah, the good ol day of newsgroups trash |
| 19:25.37 | lcuk | timelE61i, ? technical manuals? |
| 19:26.16 | b-man | feelikegun: about your rc car statement, it's all about the evolution of technology throughout younger generations, i grew up around computers - so this stuff comes naturally to me ;) |
| 19:28.59 | timelE61i | lcuk: more like sociology+biology emebedded in romance... |
| 19:29.17 | lcuk | :D |
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| 19:30.02 | luke-jr | I was programming somewhere around 5-7 years old |
| 19:30.21 | Stskeeps | around 6 here |
| 19:30.37 | rmt_ | yawns |
| 19:31.28 | luke-jr | I confess I wish I learned Perl sooner tho |
| 19:32.06 | Stskeeps | mm, python here |
| 19:33.01 | luke-jr | Python annoys me |
| 19:33.10 | luke-jr | can't pinpoint quite why |
| 19:33.11 | lbt | perl is superb :) |
| 19:33.23 | luke-jr | perhaps because it is so antithetical to my coding practices |
| 19:33.24 | lbt | you learn so many different things in it - sandbox |
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| 19:41.25 | fireun | sandbox kinda sucks, imho |
| 19:42.09 | fireun | why isnt it just a targe cpu choice to build a binary, and then a simulator/debugger to do tests? |
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| 19:44.33 | thopiekar | could someone please tell me why this fails? |
| 19:44.39 | thopiekar | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/graphviz_2.20.3-1maemo0/i386.build.log.FAILED.txt |
| 19:48.26 | qwerty12_N800 | Oh, MicroB, MicroB, why do you insist on being so shit? |
| 19:49.30 | timelE61i | qWerty: have you tried the rss reader or mail? |
| 19:50.46 | qwerty12_N800 | RSS Reader works well (but I only have the default BBC feeds anyway) but point taken about mail |
| 19:52.02 | timelE61i | A coworker who works on reliability seems to do most of the bug filing for rss |
| 19:52.28 | timelE61i | And to say it works well is to choose to overlook a number of areas |
| 19:52.56 | timelE61i | Among them is responsiveness to customer requests :) |
| 19:53.10 | qwerty12_N800 | It works well with one feed then? :) |
| 19:53.16 | Stskeeps | i scaringily think i might spent most of my time in rss reader these days |
| 19:53.20 | timelE61i | one default feed |
| 19:53.32 | timelE61i | Sts: wow |
| 19:53.45 | timelE61i | Please describe how you use it and why |
| 19:54.06 | Stskeeps | timelE61i: well i just have a huge amount of feeds and when i'm on my tablet i check news |
| 19:54.12 | Stskeeps | it's because i'm a newsjunkie :P |
| 19:54.43 | timelE61i | you read feed at a time, all articles? |
| 19:54.52 | timelE61i | Do you save items? |
| 19:55.08 | timelE61i | Are you a music/video junkie? (no) |
| 19:55.29 | Stskeeps | i browse through until unread and i don't save items, as i usually access immediately |
| 19:55.58 | timelE61i | if you could share, would you, how? |
| 19:56.14 | timelE61i | Do you like pictures? |
| 19:56.37 | Stskeeps | music/video junkie not so much, but i have considered starting to use podcasts but not sure which kind i would like :P |
| 19:56.40 | timelE61i | (and embedded video/flash for that matter) |
| 19:57.16 | Stskeeps | i am a fan of the concept of tvrss.net |
| 19:57.39 | timelE61i | Is your content rss or atom |
| 19:57.42 | Stskeeps | rss |
| 19:57.48 | timelE61i | And how do you add it? |
| 19:57.58 | Stskeeps | manually |
| 19:57.58 | b-man | qwerty12_N800, did you get the news? :) http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/15/ubuntu-9-04-ported-to-nokias-n8x0-internet-tablets/ |
| 19:58.23 | Stskeeps | a legal way to do that would pretty much revolutionize media :P (tvrss.net) |
| 19:58.25 | timelE61i | Ok, what failed? :@ |
| 19:58.26 | qwerty12_N800 | b-man: yeah, read it. Congrats! :) |
| 19:58.57 | Stskeeps | timelE61i: i dunno, braindamage from my early rss days i guess |
| 19:59.06 | jaem_afk | good job, b-,man |
| 19:59.16 | Stskeeps | timelE61i: i like to find the rss links on my own |
| 19:59.52 | Stskeeps | timelE61i: i wouldn't mind something like rss feed synchronization really. |
| 19:59.58 | Stskeeps | as in, sharing between devices |
| 20:00.17 | Stskeeps | but that's probably just coming from a pervasive computing background .. |
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| 20:01.33 | RST38h | moo all |
| 20:01.47 | timeless | have you tried democracy player? |
| 20:01.52 | lcuk | point your desktop ~ at the one on your tablet :D when you are near you will have everything your tablet has :P |
| 20:02.04 | jaem_afk | RST38h: hi |
| 20:02.04 | timeless | so, google reader supports opml |
| 20:02.13 | timeless | and in theory so does rss feed reader |
| 20:02.23 | timeless | although in practice, its impl is so bad that it iirc is barely advertised |
| 20:02.38 | Stskeeps | timelE61i: democracy player gives a bit of Joost vibe, but without the ugly interface.. |
| 20:02.44 | Myrtti | I wish greader had a function to detect the duplicates and not show them |
| 20:03.13 | timeless | sts: heh |
| 20:03.23 | Stskeeps | (initial reaction) |
| 20:03.27 | lcuk | isnt generic dupe detection a "hard" problem? |
| 20:03.42 | Myrtti | lcuk: it apparently has had that before |
| 20:05.51 | jaem_afk | I got a free laptop backpack... with a logo on it that says "3Com 56k Power" |
| 20:05.56 | jaem_afk | ...I suppose that's why it was free |
| 20:06.06 | Stskeeps | 56k? pft, luxury |
| 20:06.19 | Stskeeps | i began my internet adventures on a 14.4kbps .. at least, from my parents home |
| 20:06.21 | jaem | well, my other backpack has a fibre connection :P |
| 20:06.29 | RST38h | started at 2400bd |
| 20:06.44 | jaem | I started at 1.5Mbps, as my family was late to the game |
| 20:07.04 | RST38h | When I bought 14.4kbd modem, TELNET and FTP became so lightning fast... |
| 20:07.32 | jaem | what sort of lightning do you have where you live, then? |
| 20:07.57 | lcuk | the sort that used to buffer before striking |
| 20:08.06 | lcuk | but no longer! |
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| 20:08.17 | jaem | hahaha |
| 20:08.39 | lcuk | RST38h, did you move up to gifs then? |
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| 20:10.12 | Stskeeps | mm, anyone good with quick art and making pngs with transparent background? |
| 20:10.14 | Stskeeps | 'lo jott |
| 20:11.52 | RST38h | lcuk: Mosaic came later |
| 20:12.45 | lcuk | i thought you could get giffs from your local bbs |
| 20:13.18 | lcuk | REDHOT~1.GIF ;) |
| 20:13.39 | lcuk | and after downloading you discover its a scan of someones fireplace |
| 20:14.21 | Stskeeps | that was times, yes |
| 20:15.43 | suihkulokki | RST38h: I still remember someone arguing in a BBS that 2400bps is more than enough, since it rolls text faster than you can read anyway |
| 20:16.13 | RST38h | lcuk: I did not use BBSes |
| 20:16.25 | RST38h | Tried a few times but did not like it |
| 20:16.38 | RST38h | suih: they did have a point |
| 20:16.55 | RST38h | used to browse GOPHER sites and NNTP |
| 20:17.52 | suihkulokki | RST38h: their point depends on the idea that you wont download any files |
| 20:17.59 | suihkulokki | (except perhaps 4k intros) |
| 20:18.22 | lcuk | http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2008/11/30/633636364291940836-56k.jpg |
| 20:18.44 | aquatix | lcuk: hahaha |
| 20:19.30 | b-man | lol |
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| 20:22.45 | Myrtti | nntp ⥠|
| 20:23.34 | RST38h | suih: those files were 2-4kb in size :) |
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| 20:26.38 | suihkulokki | RST38h: and looked like the one in lcuk's picture :) |
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| 20:27.44 | Stskeeps | 'lo GA |
| 20:28.17 | b-man | hello, GeneralAntilles |
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| 20:29.07 | b-man | GeneralAntilles: http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/15/ubuntu-9-04-ported-to-nokias-n8x0-internet-tablets/ |
| 20:29.11 | b-man | :) |
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| 20:40.08 | GeneralAntilles | b-man, yeah, saw that this morning. |
| 20:40.08 | GeneralAntilles | Engadget is funny. |
| 20:40.11 | GeneralAntilles | has Growl notifications going across half his screen. |
| 20:41.46 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, Stskeeps. |
| 20:48.42 | RST38h | mail |
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| 21:09.46 | Meiz_n810 | infobot, did i ask you to nuke my memorycard earlier? |
| 21:09.57 | Stskeeps | heh |
| 21:10.46 | Meiz_n810 | My memorycard is seriously dead... |
| 21:11.02 | Meiz_n810 | there was a lot of SegFaults during dist-upgrade |
| 21:11.15 | Meiz_n810 | and then the best part: |
| 21:11.32 | Meiz_n810 | reboot or halt causes SegFault :( |
| 21:11.37 | b-man | hmm :( |
| 21:12.09 | Meiz_n810 | and of course, Mer did not boot anymore :( |
| 21:13.29 | lcuk | accidentally his memory card |
| 21:13.39 | luke-jr | meh, why is there a published resetwlan that just reboots the N810? |
| 21:15.15 | lcuk | luke-jr, theres many other ways to reset your 8x0 :D |
| 21:15.40 | luke-jr | yeah, the goal is to reset wifi w/o rebooting |
| 21:15.42 | luke-jr | -.- |
| 21:15.52 | lcuk | ahh |
| 21:16.37 | luke-jr | what's the difference between mtum and umac? |
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| 21:17.53 | Stskeeps | testing vs actual usage? dunno |
| 21:19.12 | luke-jr | O.o |
| 21:20.54 | Myrtti | ffs, these google drink vouchers are everywhere |
| 21:21.10 | Myrtti | I just cleaned my damned handbag and out came like five unused ones |
| 21:21.43 | lcuk | google drink vouchers are like their mail, they keep growing so you always have enough |
| 21:22.15 | Myrtti | yeah - I think it was actually jeremiah who shoved me like 8 or so of them to give around |
| 21:23.39 | lcuk | then why dont you go and shove em back in his |
| 21:23.41 | lcuk | postbox |
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| 21:49.45 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, does that vnc trick work with everything? |
| 21:50.26 | lcuk | im used to vnc not working in overlays anymore, i wonder where clutter itself lives on a real device - whether the opengl overlay will be transmitted |
| 21:50.44 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: no idea, until i saw qole's post, i had no idea it could do even that |
| 21:51.00 | lcuk | its possible in scratchbox because its entirely emulated |
| 21:51.19 | lcuk | its like if you take a screenshot of desktops you get a blank area where games are |
| 21:51.22 | lcuk | or movies |
| 21:52.48 | qwerty12_N800 | windows apps now can take screenshots of those areas |
| 21:54.13 | lcuk | mostly they can, you know what i mean then :) |
| 21:54.33 | qwerty12_N800 | :) |
| 21:54.34 | lcuk | can only take pictures when his mplayer is set to certain render modes |
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| 21:55.19 | lcuk | goes finding the n8x0 vnc client |
| 21:56.02 | qwerty12_N800 | it's in extras, shouldn't take long :) |
| 21:56.27 | lcukx41 | heh even less, its in my extras menu |
| 21:56.30 | lcukx41 | is a dolt |
| 22:02.59 | lcuk | oooer i think something broked clutter since i was last playing |
| 22:05.02 | lbt | Stskeeps: pngs ? |
| 22:05.38 | Stskeeps | lbt: ah, just wondering where wazd disappeared off to and 0.10 won't have shiny artwork until we push out a theme update |
| 22:06.06 | lbt | I can do technical things to pngs with Gimp - but not artistic things :) |
| 22:06.21 | Stskeeps | hehe |
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| 22:06.43 | Stskeeps | i think i'll be fine, the release tomorrow will teach me the lesson we need to plan better and have a testing week :) |
| 22:06.56 | lbt | wasn't sure if you needed some images chopping up and making transparent - that kind of help :) |
| 22:07.13 | lbt | good idea that ;) |
| 22:09.29 | Stskeeps | right, and obviously the 0.10 test image i just made fails to boot |
| 22:09.32 | Stskeeps | that's just lovely. |
| 22:25.24 | lcuk | ive got a bit of a problem with vnc. ive got the server running on my laptop, ive got the client running on my tablet. i can see the screen. if i open a console directly on the laptop itself and run an app it opens a clutter window and runs. if i do this from the other putty console ive got open from my desktop to laptop i cannot see it and the app segfaults |
| 22:25.40 | lcuk | i have already tried: export DISPLAY=:0.0 |
| 22:25.46 | lcuk | which used to work for a similar issue |
| 22:25.51 | lcuk | any ideas? |
| 22:26.31 | Proteous | what's a clutter window |
| 22:26.50 | lcuk | clutter is the opengl based UI framework for maemo5 |
| 22:26.58 | Proteous | ah |
| 22:27.18 | lcuk | i can see the hand spinning round now over the vnc connection |
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| 22:27.27 | lcuk | but i started the app from within the laptop itself |
| 22:27.47 | lcuk | i want to use the other normal ssh console window to run and read output from |
| 22:29.46 | qwerty12_N800 | this ssh session is under the user you want to run the app as? ssh x forwarding disabled? |
| 22:30.16 | lcuk | mmm not sure |
| 22:30.38 | lcuk | ill restart the sessions and confirm which is which |
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| 22:33.20 | Proteous | maybe try setting "let remote server deal with mouse cursor" |
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| 22:38.07 | lcuk | hurrah!!! thank you once again southern linux guru |
| 22:38.18 | lcuk | Proteous, it was the users and permissions and stuff |
| 22:38.23 | Proteous | cool |
| 22:38.47 | lcuk | now i can run clutter apps (slowly) but get them on my tablet in front of me :) |
| 22:38.59 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe :) |
| 22:42.00 | mavhc | do remote x apps cope with the network connection dying yet? |
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| 22:45.06 | sanchiii | hi guys and gals, is there anyone who can explain me some thing about packaging a python lib? |
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| 22:47.43 | sanchiii | I would like to package python libraries with py2deb, optimally using bdist_maemo, but it looks like I need to specify data_files and other files, but I would like it to grab a set as bdist_dumb does... |
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| 22:55.33 | lcuk | sanchiii, not sure, normal developers have to (on the whole) manually setup their packages, the py2deb one is a simplified process. perhaps you could find out how to extend it by looking at the python code itself |
| 22:56.05 | lcuk | perhaps you could extend it to add the wildcard support or something? |
| 22:58.22 | sanchiii | hm... I guess it should somehow work (bdist_dumb works as well) with the standard way. Just that bdist_maemo doesn't do anything here |
| 22:59.48 | sanchiii | I guess that usually it should work with "packages=find_packages(exclude=['ez_setup'])," - that finds all packages that are in the directory |
| 23:02.06 | sanchiii | or is the way to build it using bdist_dumb and then with py2deb only copy all files into the dest dir? |
| 23:02.50 | lcuk | ive never used either and im not a python dev and ive worked on exactly 1 package in my life :) |
| 23:03.04 | lcuk | isnt the best person to ask :P |
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| 23:04.28 | sanchiii | :) thanks anyway (waiting for more online python devs...) |
| 23:06.32 | bbns | hi is there anyone developing maemo 5 on device here? |
| 23:07.16 | fireun | is developing maemo .17 |
| 23:07.34 | GeneralAntilles | bbns, plenty of people, but they're all under NDA. :) |
| 23:07.38 | lcuk | bbns, on which device |
| 23:07.49 | bbns | well, i am thinking of BeagleBoard. |
| 23:08.09 | bbns | because i want to test the real power of potential device, for instance, OpenGL ES |
| 23:08.27 | lcuk | bbns, how fast does you scratchbox run |
| 23:08.48 | bbns | i only have a vmware one. |
| 23:08.59 | bbns | which is pretty slow (from my point of view). |
| 23:09.32 | lcuk | see here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=271812 |
| 23:10.08 | bbns | thanks a bunch! |
| 23:10.17 | lcuk | i asked basically the same question and got a decent preview from someone whos running it still inside scratchbox but with a more realistic looking and feeling speed |
| 23:10.50 | lcuk | when running it myself i was getting 5 seconds a frame!!! |
| 23:10.55 | lcuk | i couldnt tell anything |
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| 23:11.25 | bbns | hmm so that's on scratchbox + xephyr on X86 target? |
| 23:11.50 | lcuk | yes |
| 23:12.45 | lcuk | bbns, since we dont know the actual specific hard figures for performance (it appears to still be being pored over if you follow #beagle) the best advice if you want to develop new clutter/opengl applications is keep it minimal. the simpler the better - use opengl to enchance what you do, dont depend on 10000000000000 polys per mesh |
| 23:13.08 | bbns | i see. yep i have tried that. but i would like to see how it runs on ARM because scratchbox doesn't give me enough confident. :-/ |
| 23:13.34 | lcuk | bbns, thats all we have. and what i see now gives me confidence :) |
| 23:13.43 | lcuk | i was like you until i had seen the video |
| 23:14.02 | bbns | :-P okay! it looks like it's the only way to go. |
| 23:14.08 | lcuk | yeah :) |
| 23:14.27 | lcuk | now ive got clutter itself running natively on my x86 laptop. and im using VNC to get it through to my tablet |
| 23:14.39 | lcuk | so i get fast clutter performance and as close to a real experience as i can |
| 23:15.00 | bbns | so VNC on Tablet and outsource to the laptop? |
| 23:15.05 | lcuk | yes |
| 23:15.13 | lcuk | you can touch your apps as you build them |
| 23:15.22 | bbns | ah ... i see. on N8x0? |
| 23:15.28 | sanchiii | About package categories for extras-devel for diablo: Do libraries go into programming? |
| 23:15.36 | lcuk | you can do the same from your scratchbox as well, but it sounds like you have enough complications there |
| 23:15.39 | lcuk | yes |
| 23:16.06 | bbns | thanks a bunch. i was going to port my iphone 3D engine to maemo. |
| 23:16.14 | lcuk | great :) |
| 23:16.19 | bbns | and getting hesitated which is the best way. |
| 23:16.41 | lcuk | well i dont know the best way either lol |
| 23:16.49 | bbns | lol. ok |
| 23:17.03 | lcuk | heres my work that i want to see in ogl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY |
| 23:17.12 | bbns | how's the Qt port on maemo 5? is it stable enough? |
| 23:17.16 | lcuk | theres a few other vids as well |
| 23:17.34 | lcuk | qt on the n810 is coming along nicely, i cant see it being worse on maemo 5 |
| 23:17.49 | lcuk | we have a couple of apps now and still obvious bugs to iron out |
| 23:18.09 | bbns | wow really smooth. is that the same tablet i have here? :-p |
| 23:18.40 | lcuk | yeah, you can install a slightly older version (same speed just no zooming) its called liqbase :) |
| 23:18.48 | bbns | my tablet will stuck even zoom in and zoom out. |
| 23:19.00 | bbns | i see. gotta take a memo. |
| 23:19.15 | sanchiii | lcuk, are you using qt default (maemo) theme on tablet? I found it almost impossible to use because of all the missing GUI lines, so I had to use style window |
| 23:19.37 | lcuk | sanchiii, don't ask me, im not a qt developer - poke lbt :) |
| 23:19.56 | lcuk | but style window sounds right because he mentioned css a few times |
| 23:20.07 | lbt | pokes sanchiii pre-emptively |
| 23:20.45 | bbns | wonders if anyone familiar with QGL |
| 23:20.46 | lcuk | jesus h i just nearly set light to my head and hand and keyboard and worst of all, my tablet |
| 23:21.36 | bbns | is QGL a wrap up between OpenGL / OpenGL ES? |
| 23:21.54 | bbns | is confused while diving his nose on the API manual. |
| 23:22.28 | lbt | lcuk I once did that. Filled up a lighter on top of a big fridge. Gas went all over the place. .............. Then I tested the lighter..... |
| 23:22.53 | lcuk | this is a petrol zippo, first time ive filled it up in a couple of weeks |
| 23:23.41 | lbt | luckily I don't smoke. I just wanted to make a WD-40 flamethrower.... |
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| 23:24.09 | lcuk | heh |
| 23:24.13 | lbt | sanchiii: I don't know why it does it |
| 23:24.26 | lbt | it could be expecting a default style |
| 23:24.30 | lcuk | sanchiii, file a bug on the qt4 garage page |
| 23:24.48 | sanchiii | I think the default style is that one, with few lines, |
| 23:29.39 | b-man16 | lbt: i've allrety done that XD |
| 23:30.10 | lbt | ? |
| 23:31.32 | lbt | b-man16: ? |
| 23:33.38 | b-man16 | i've made a flamethrower with starter fluid - kinda crazy |
| 23:34.07 | b-man16 | that was tha last time i did that >< |
| 23:34.32 | b-man16 | *the |
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| 23:39.27 | lbt | ah :) |
| 23:39.36 | lbt | it was rather impressive. |
| 23:40.06 | fireun | t-4 minutes |
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| 23:46.25 | kaie | I've made progress on my attempt to build an updated pidgin package (first time I try to build for maemo). "make" succeeded. |
| 23:46.47 | kaie | the "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" now fails with dh_installdirs: dpkg-architecture failed - see http://maemo.pastey.net/110265 |
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| 23:48.03 | till__ | you did that inside scratchbox? |
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| 23:50.13 | till__ | i'm trying to build libpurple 2.5.5 myself |
| 23:53.01 | kaie | till__, yes, inside scratchbox |
| 23:53.42 | kaie | my host is fedora 10, i386, outside the scratchbox I don't have debian build stuff |
| 23:53.43 | till__ | if you may send me your sourcecode i can try to compile it in my environment |
| 23:54.24 | sanchiii | where do i find the "public SSH keys" section in garage account maintenance page? |
| 23:54.42 | kaie | till__, are you trying to build pidgin, too? yes, I can upload my merged pidgin-2.5.5 tarball attempt |
| 23:54.57 | till__ | would be great |
| 23:55.20 | till__ | you have done all the hildon-stuff yet? |
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