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| 04:44.06 | Proteous | MAGIC |
| 04:44.20 | Proteous | but that is only out route |
| 04:44.29 | Proteous | it's my favorite method though |
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| 05:10.04 | Macer | http://www.animelyrics.com/anime/gundamseed/akatsukinokuruma.htm |
| 05:10.06 | Macer | that's an awesome song |
| 05:19.19 | luke-jr | ⦠|
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| 07:11.14 | Myrtti | it is a morning :-) |
| 07:12.05 | RST38h | really? |
| 07:13.26 | RST38h | Serge Foucher, president of Sony France, is being held "hostage" by angry workers whose plant is about to close. <=== it's a morning indeed |
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| 07:24.04 | timeless | x-fade: ping |
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| 07:28.18 | Stskeeps | yawns and stretches |
| 07:30.51 | suihkulokki | RST38h: a video tape manufacturing plant - are the workers really expecting that there is future in their job? :P |
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| 07:31.47 | timeless | frowns |
| 07:32.11 | timeless | should 'sudo' for scratchbox be replaced by a script that says 'you should use fakeroot'? |
| 07:32.41 | Stskeeps | that's a good question :P |
| 07:41.49 | timeless | sts? help |
| 07:41.55 | Stskeeps | morning |
| 07:41.57 | timeless | https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=1134 |
| 07:42.00 | timeless | where is that app? |
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| 07:42.21 | timeless | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/osm2go/ ? |
| 07:42.23 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 07:42.38 | timeless | goes to make a bugzilla product for it |
| 07:42.56 | Stskeeps | they have a pretty active bug tracker in garage |
| 07:43.03 | Stskeeps | so they should probably be prodded :P |
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| 07:43.59 | timeless | i'll make it disabled and contact them somehow |
| 07:44.41 | vasily_pupkin | Hi! anybody use mplayer on nXXX from svn? |
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| 07:48.42 | timeless | kicks andrew chadwicdk |
| 07:48.48 | timeless | s/dk/k/ |
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| 07:50.12 | timeless | btw, how have we gone about migrating bugs from tracker? |
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| 07:57.38 | Stskeeps | notes his beagle compiles much faster than his qemu. |
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| 07:59.51 | timeless | andre__: why isn't bug 761 imported? |
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| 08:05.17 | pupnik_ | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3513779569.html |
| 08:05.35 | pupnik_ | Nokia announced a home automation system based on the open source OpenWrt Linux distribution. Due in late 2009, the Z-wave wireless radio-equipped Nokia Home Control Center will let users remotely control security, automation, and energy management applications via their mobile phones, says Nokia. |
| 08:05.59 | Stskeeps | yeah, no surprises |
| 08:06.16 | Stskeeps | also, old article |
| 08:06.32 | Stskeeps | there's an Mer article on LD now as well, and anyway, with NHCC, imagine it linked in with tablets. |
| 08:07.17 | Stskeeps | i really wonder why openwrt on a machine like that though |
| 08:07.25 | Stskeeps | 533mhz, 256mb, 6gb internal storage :P |
| 08:08.05 | RST38h | moos |
| 08:08.56 | pupnik_ | first build Q3a 35-60 fps on pandora |
| 08:09.10 | pupnik_ | hi |
| 08:09.47 | RST38h | is pandora released? |
| 08:09.51 | timeless | does someone here have rss feed reader handy? |
| 08:09.54 | timeless | (small test) |
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| 08:10.16 | Stskeeps | for once i do |
| 08:12.06 | timeless | add a new feed for: http://tinyurl.com/57so4h |
| 08:12.41 | pupnik_ | RST38h: no. CE testing now. |
| 08:12.50 | Wikier | http://www.w3.org/TR/Pointers-in-RDF/ |
| 08:13.08 | Wikier | ups, wrong channel |
| 08:13.09 | Wikier | sorry |
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| 08:13.56 | Stskeeps | timeless: intended happening? |
| 08:14.02 | Stskeeps | i see tinyurl icon and "andre klapper's blog" |
| 08:14.59 | timeless | ok |
| 08:16.02 | Stskeeps | shouldn't it be the icon of the redirected page? |
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| 08:17.05 | timeless | bug 935 |
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| 08:18.26 | Stskeeps | stores the tinyurl for me |
| 08:19.02 | timeless | in both fields? |
| 08:19.09 | timeless | htmlUrl="http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper" xmlUrl="http://tinyurl.com/57so4h" |
| 08:19.30 | Stskeeps | ah, i was just looking within the UI |
| 08:19.45 | Stskeeps | in feed details |
| 08:19.54 | timeless | ui=junk :) |
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| 08:21.13 | Stskeeps | correct, htmlUrl = the actual place, xmlurl = the xml url |
| 08:21.31 | Stskeeps | as in tiny url |
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| 08:24.08 | Stskeeps | whoa |
| 08:24.10 | Stskeeps | jaiku is fast |
| 08:24.33 | timeless | wow, someone is still using me as repository.maemo.org |
| 08:25.03 | timeless | frowns |
| 08:25.24 | Stskeeps | mm? |
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| 08:25.36 | timeless | from the days when repository.maemo.org was broken |
| 08:25.39 | timeless | i had a clone |
| 08:25.46 | Stskeeps | yeah, it shows up on google quite often |
| 08:25.52 | Addison | Greetings all! |
| 08:25.57 | timeless | actually |
| 08:26.03 | Addison | Heya timeless and Stskeeps. |
| 08:26.03 | timeless | maybe someone is spidering me? |
| 08:26.06 | timeless | hi |
| 08:26.32 | Addison | Either one of you two guys smart? *lol* |
| 08:27.10 | Addison | I posted a question over on the Garnet board, was wondering if anyone would be willing to look at it. |
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| 08:30.45 | Stskeeps | morning johnx |
| 08:31.53 | Passeli_ | is there a way for application to check underlying hardware version, N770/N800N810 ? |
| 08:32.14 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:36.33 | X-Fade | timeless: pong ;) |
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| 08:51.46 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:52.46 | pupnik_ | so you guys think ARM type cpus have a good future now? |
| 08:52.50 | pupnik_ | i'd guess so |
| 08:53.22 | pupnik_ | people still want computing. and x86 is a dinosaur like detroit V8s |
| 08:53.45 | timeless | google thinks v8 is the future :) |
| 08:54.13 | pupnik_ | yeah i'm starting to learn that whatever i think is 'good' is a bad investement |
| 08:54.19 | pupnik_ | and whatever is totally fucking evil is a good one |
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| 08:55.37 | Jaffa | pupnik_: Nah, I used to think Acorn were good - company went down the tubes but they'd've been a *fantastic* investment. |
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| 08:56.32 | pupnik_ | really? |
| 08:56.37 | pupnik_ | cool |
| 08:56.44 | Jaffa | They only went belly up as the bean counters got in charge of a computer company and realised that their 49% ARM holding was worth much more than any computers they could build. So they sold up, in exchange turning 1 Acorn Computers share (about 32p at the time, IIRC) into 2 ARM shares (about 32ukp at the time) |
| 08:56.53 | pupnik_ | maybe it's just my stupid brain trying to figure out some rules and regulatiry |
| 08:57.03 | pupnik_ | wow |
| 08:57.18 | pupnik_ | tired |
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| 09:05.31 | Addison | Benson! Hey! |
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| 09:12.44 | RST38h | EHLO ALL again |
| 09:12.58 | Stskeeps | ehlo |
| 09:13.30 | ukki | morning |
| 09:14.51 | RST38h | So, have they beheaded that French Sony CEO ? =) |
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| 09:18.58 | Addison | Hiya ukki! :) |
| 09:19.21 | Addison | What's a guy like you doing in a nice place like this, Ukki? *lol* |
| 09:20.01 | ukki | good question |
| 09:20.38 | ukki | same as you i guess |
| 09:20.39 | Addison | Thanks! It took me six minutes to think that one up! :) |
| 09:23.06 | Addison | Hey, real quick. What do you do for a living Ukki? Just curious, that's all. |
| 09:24.08 | ukki | another good question |
| 09:24.15 | ukki | my title is software designer |
| 09:24.34 | ukki | but i never get to design anything really |
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| 09:25.40 | Addison | Sounds like you're well under your boss, Ukki. You deserve better. |
| 09:26.26 | Addison | As much as I would like to stay and fluff your feathers, Ukki, I need to head off. Hope you have a great day and thanks again for all the efforts you put into Ruby! |
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| 10:07.21 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4893289864.html?kc=rss |
| 10:07.22 | VDVsx | :) |
| 10:07.34 | Stskeeps | yeah, saw this morning |
| 10:08.05 | VDVsx | no ipks this time :) |
| 10:08.06 | VDVsx | eheheh |
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| 10:08.25 | Stskeeps | i'm not entirely fond of the fact they gave a subscriber link within the article but yeah.. |
| 10:09.16 | VDVsx | lol |
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| 10:10.43 | Stskeeps | in either way it's good that we get some exposure as we really do have an interesting project :P |
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| 10:28.36 | timeless | ping |
| 10:28.44 | Myrtti | pong |
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| 10:28.59 | Stskeeps | plank |
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| 10:32.21 | ElPollo | Reading the mer article, I read the part of the omap2 graphics drivers. Is that the part where we're actually going to gain access to the powervr (or am I being too optimistic? :P) |
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| 10:33.09 | X-Fade | ElPollo: Quim is talking to TI for that. There is hope, but you never know ;) |
| 10:33.30 | Jaffa | ElPollo: See http://wiki.maemo.org/Drivers_justification (and its talk page) |
| 10:34.13 | ElPollo | X-Fade: :D @Jaffa: Yeah, keeping track on that one. |
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| 10:41.52 | andre__ | timeless, why should 761 be imported? |
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| 10:58.57 | timelE61i | wEll, it should e fixed |
| 10:58.59 | Stskeeps | ElPollo: Mer doesn't rely on getting those drivers though |
| 10:59.14 | Stskeeps | but it'd be really nice if we did have them |
| 10:59.28 | timelE61i | If the spec and owners aren't doing something... Then they need a bug |
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| 11:07.06 | ElPollo | Stskeeps: Nah.. I'm not getting my hopes up, but it'd be nice... very nice. |
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| 12:04.28 | Henry_Bean | Hello guys, is it possible to get a totally console-only instalation of maemo, from which one can do, i.e., 'apt-get install hildon' and you get it? |
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| 12:04.57 | Stskeeps | for what purpose perhaps? |
| 12:05.54 | Henry_Bean | Stskeeps: I don't know, maybe for having always the last hildon version... |
| 12:06.12 | Henry_Bean | or having a console-only internet tablet :) |
| 12:06.51 | Stskeeps | hehe. only thing i can see would be either 1) hacking up fb console mode for Maemo itself and go insane at the shell or 2) install ubuntu or mer |
| 12:06.55 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 12:08.17 | RST38h | Oh yess: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-728 |
| 12:08.25 | ElPollo | Lol @770&800 console only :P |
| 12:09.05 | Stskeeps | ElPollo: with USB keyboard it isn't extremely unreasonable |
| 12:13.25 | ElPollo | Stskeeps: True.. true |
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| 12:22.33 | matmo | hi guys, anyone using eclipse+pluthon? The console was working ok to begin with but now output only appears after the python code ends |
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| 12:29.02 | mib_fg38ebw5 | hi everyone! |
| 12:29.44 | mib_fg38ebw5 | does anyone here is working with maemo barcode? |
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| 13:42.42 | florian | re |
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| 14:27.14 | t-nor | hi, is there a special irc channel for N810 device ? |
| 14:27.37 | suihkulokki | t-nor: you are there |
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| 14:28.10 | t-nor | suihkulokki: thanks, i have problems to install some packages |
| 14:28.45 | t-nor | http://pastebin.com/m2159ea05 |
| 14:28.52 | t-nor | here is the error |
| 14:28.57 | t-nor | how could i fox it ? |
| 14:29.03 | t-nor | s/fox/fix |
| 14:29.36 | Jaffa | t-nor: I dunno the qt libs, but you /could/ use dpkg --force |
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| 14:36.11 | inz | t-nor, you likely want to remove the libphonon4 -package, as it is essentially the same as libqt4-phonon |
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| 14:45.39 | RST38h | ARM-based platform makers including Qualcomm and Freescale are looking to unveil netbooks at this year's Computex trade show in Taipei. |
| 14:46.04 | Stskeeps | no surprises |
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| 14:51.54 | Jaffa | BTW, looks like iPhone 3.0 OS (to be unveiled on Tuesday) will include Bluetooth tethering |
| 14:53.02 | GAN800 | $10 it'll only work on the 3rd gen Cortex iPhone being announced the week after. ;) |
| 14:53.59 | Jaffa | tries to resist a comment about delivering features users want in an actual announced device |
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| 14:54.27 | Jaffa | cos, y'know, we don't know anyone who's sitting on something ;-) |
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| 14:55.18 | Stskeeps | when is the election over, btw? |
| 14:55.22 | RST38h | wonders what happens when Steve Jobs finally dies |
| 14:55.51 | RST38h | Will the faithful bury him in a huge crystal cube somewhere in California and visit him on the annual basis? |
| 14:56.07 | RST38h | Can we actually hope for a decent full fledged cult? |
| 14:56.23 | RST38h | Maybe some truly interesting sacrifice ritual? |
| 14:57.17 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: Err, a week after the start. So mid next week. |
| 14:57.21 | Stskeeps | k |
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| 14:58.00 | Jaffa | RST38h: That's a bit out of order. He's still a human being, and cancer's not really a laughing matter |
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| 16:19.06 | thux | hi, can't seem to find screen, is it under diffrent name? |
| 16:19.54 | Corsac | hmhm, wtf |
| 16:19.56 | Corsac | http://product.iriver.co.kr/p_d35_feat.asp |
| 16:20.01 | Corsac | http://product.iriver.co.kr/p_d31_multi.asp |
| 16:22.26 | Jaffa | thux: as in the console app, `screen'? |
| 16:23.30 | thux | Jaffa: yes |
| 16:24.12 | Jaffa | It's in the SDK repo, dunno about tools or extras |
| 16:24.23 | Jaffa | I *think* there's a mud-recipe for it, so it'd be trivial to put into extras |
| 16:24.45 | thux | ok thanks |
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| 17:14.43 | lbt | Stskeeps: it's still going... |
| 17:14.55 | Stskeeps | lbt: yeah, and i even have a beagle trying alongside :P |
| 17:15.36 | Stskeeps | i wonder if it'll be done before 0.10 ;) |
| 17:15.37 | lbt | any mileage in re-building ubuntu gcc |
| 17:15.41 | lbt | heh |
| 17:17.13 | lbt | argh |
| 17:17.25 | lbt | I just remembered another build thing I had to frig |
| 17:17.39 | lbt | it tries to run qmake or moc |
| 17:17.54 | lbt | but it only has qmake-qt4 or moc-qt4 |
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| 17:18.41 | asasaki | how do i attach a signing key to my garage account (already created)? |
| 17:18.51 | Stskeeps | lbt: well it built on x86 so |
| 17:19.07 | Stskeeps | then it'll prolly build on armel |
| 17:19.07 | lbt | true |
| 17:19.45 | lbt | I'm going to write some docs... |
| 17:20.47 | vasily_pupkin | what players can play mp3/etc other DSP processor? |
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| 17:22.21 | Mek | hmm.. what to do when I haven't received my voting instructions e-mail? |
| 17:24.20 | Mek | probably because one of my secondary email addresses can no longer receive mail... |
| 17:26.29 | Jaffa | Mek: email dneary |
| 17:26.52 | Jaffa | (dneary@maemo.org) |
| 17:27.06 | Mek | thanks |
| 17:28.25 | Jaffa | Include your maemo.org username and I guess he can invalidate the token against the secondary address and issue a new one against the primary |
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| 17:44.36 | vasily_pupkin | is mplayer/maemo port on garage dead? |
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| 18:07.20 | RST38h | moos lazily |
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| 18:10.45 | GeneralAntilles | is too lazy to do an oil change. |
| 18:12.12 | GeneralAntilles | Beagle Board site was updated |
| 18:12.28 | Stskeeps | new board or? |
| 18:12.35 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 18:12.38 | Stskeeps | points to Mer on front page |
| 18:12.38 | Stskeeps | neat |
| 18:13.32 | Stskeeps | (as in, beagleboard.org) |
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| 18:29.07 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, the Garage project page. |
| 18:29.20 | Stskeeps | GAN800: yeah, just saw |
| 18:29.22 | Stskeeps | looks nice |
| 18:29.59 | GAN800 | Nobody knows how to show decent screenshots. |
| 18:30.28 | GAN800 | I can't believe the alpha shipped with a background that has to be upscaled. |
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| 19:16.45 | jeremiah | hello world |
| 19:16.53 | jeremiah | very short post, then I have to leave |
| 19:17.04 | jeremiah | http://blog.jeremiahfoster.com/?p=57 |
| 19:17.14 | jeremiah | Synergy working on the N810 |
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| 19:36.50 | RST38h | Libel Suits OK Even If Libel Is Truthful |
| 19:36.54 | RST38h | hehe |
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| 19:43.34 | jaem | hey folks |
| 19:45.28 | jaem | OT question: I have a laptop. I need to boot it into a LiveCD environment, and take a disk image of the hard drive, which I need to dump onto my desktop over my LAN. I have no intermediate storage media capable of holding the image. What's the easiest method of getting it onto the other computer? |
| 19:45.39 | jaem | I can think of a few ways, but I don't know which would be simpest |
| 19:45.43 | jaem | simplest* |
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| 19:47.11 | `0660 | netcat |
| 19:47.16 | jaem | haha |
| 19:47.29 | jaem | I'm thinking not |
| 19:47.30 | till__ | what about a nfs mount? |
| 19:47.30 | jaem | ;) |
| 19:47.50 | jaem | that would work... but I don't have that set up on the receiving machine |
| 19:47.55 | jaem | I was thinking of sshfs |
| 19:47.58 | Myrtti | rsync? scp? |
| 19:47.59 | inz | what's wrong with netcat? |
| 19:48.02 | jaem | but I've had issues with that in the past |
| 19:48.05 | Myrtti | doesn't know |
| 19:48.18 | `0660 | i like netcat |
| 19:48.33 | jaem | Myrtti: I can't store the image anywhere before transferrring it |
| 19:48.36 | jaem | that's what makes this fun |
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| 19:48.51 | jaem | I have to image the HDD directly onto the other computer's hard drive |
| 19:48.56 | till__ | i think netcat or nfs would be the easiest |
| 19:49.01 | jaem | okay |
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| 19:49.04 | jaem | thanks |
| 19:49.23 | jaem | it's a new laptop, so I'm rather excited to get it up and running |
| 19:49.38 | jaem | well, new to me, and in good condition - it's a Dell Latitude D630 |
| 19:49.51 | Myrtti | :-D congrats |
| 19:49.54 | inz | I have D830 |
| 19:50.00 | Myrtti | though - erm |
| 19:50.02 | till__ | "cat /dev/[sh]d |nc target port" or so on the client |
| 19:50.19 | Myrtti | I'd really want the soundchip drivers to do pc speaker |
| 19:50.24 | till__ | and "nc -l -p port > file" on the server |
| 19:50.29 | till__ | if i remember correctly |
| 19:50.42 | jaem | till__: thanks - I'd seen similar examples, but I hadn't played around with nc before |
| 19:50.45 | jaem | I'll try that |
| 19:50.59 | till__ | i used it for dvb stream over ethernet |
| 19:51.56 | Myrtti | huggles her D630 |
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| 19:52.40 | inz | I wanted decent reso, so I opted for D830 |
| 19:53.07 | Myrtti | I wanted a laptop. |
| 19:53.09 | Myrtti | :-D |
| 19:53.37 | jaem | yay netcat - I'm getting blinkenlights :D |
| 19:54.05 | till__ | forgot the > file ? |
| 19:54.09 | jaem | inz: well, this is a "free on loan until you're out of school" deal, so I'm not complaining, although WXGA is a bit painful |
| 19:54.20 | jaem | till__: no, it seems to be working fine |
| 19:54.24 | jaem | that was what I meant |
| 19:54.40 | till__ | fine |
| 19:55.18 | till__ | i rembered the raw dvb-s stream comming out as very interesting characters |
| 19:55.26 | jaem | no doubt |
| 19:55.36 | till__ | :) |
| 19:55.41 | jaem | well, I'm off to get a haircut while I wait |
| 19:55.48 | jaem | I'll be back in a little while |
| 19:56.03 | till__ | hf |
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| 20:27.09 | nickmack | hello, does anyone know how can i get battery status, installed SO info, memory available... from N8x0 device? |
| 20:31.45 | christefano | nickmack: see http://nitapps.com/ |
| 20:32.11 | nickmack | k... tyvm |
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| 21:08.26 | lcuk | is there a video of the maemo 5 ui running at fullspeed anywhere? |
| 21:10.46 | lcuk | if not, could someone make one and upload it. i would like to see it as it is intended and its extremely frustrating seeing it slow |
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| 21:43.02 | jaem | hello, b-man |
| 21:43.24 | b-man | hello, jaem :) |
| 21:44.17 | jaem | I think I'll take another shot at Ubuntu... seeing as I've probably just toasted my Maemo install |
| 21:44.41 | jaem | I was trying to switch bash packages, and it got half-removed and now won't install the new one |
| 21:44.52 | jaem | some post-install script error >_< |
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| 21:47.29 | b-man | hates his connection :P |
| 21:47.34 | jaem | :( |
| 21:47.52 | jaem | I got a new laptop today, and it came with a WinXP/Ubuntu dual-boot |
| 21:47.58 | jaem | on ext2, for some reason :S |
| 21:48.14 | jaem | in any case, I'm wiping it, so it doesn't bother me, but seems like a bad idea |
| 21:51.14 | b-man | hmm |
| 21:51.35 | b-man | i'd save ubuntu :) |
| 21:52.25 | b-man | (by backing it up on another drive) |
| 21:55.49 | b-man | jeam: what brand of laptop? |
| 21:56.17 | b-man | re: jaem - sorry :p |
| 21:56.51 | ||cw | jaem: on hdd or flash? |
| 21:56.55 | lcuk | jaem, rtfm about your laptop, you might regret blanket wiping it, check you have recovery disks |
| 21:57.33 | lcuk | made a set with his x41, keeping the xp license and disk might be useful one day |
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| 22:04.01 | jaem | b-man: Dell Latitude D630 |
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| 22:04.12 | jaem | ||cw: HDD |
| 22:04.40 | jaem | lcuk: it was used, and didn't come with any way of reinstalling anything |
| 22:04.50 | jaem | besides, I'm imaging it first |
| 22:05.29 | jaem | it's technically on extended loan, and the people I'm getting it from technically don't allow you to wipe it and install what you want, so I'll just restore from the image before I send it back |
| 22:05.39 | jaem | and I don't plan on using WinXP |
| 22:05.43 | jaem | it annoys the heck out of me |
| 22:05.47 | jaem | although not as much as Vista |
| 22:06.15 | b-man | dislikes Windows :P |
| 22:06.45 | b-man | would rather go with os x :) |
| 22:07.09 | jaem | ooh... squashfs-ing this 80GB image on a dual-core Atom is going to be painful :( |
| 22:07.25 | b-man | hm |
| 22:07.30 | vasily_pupkin | anybody know how to use scratchbox2 on non-deb distro? |
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| 22:09.11 | b-man | vasily_pupkin: what are you running? |
| 22:09.23 | b-man | (os) |
| 22:09.36 | vasily_pupkin | b-man: gentoo |
| 22:09.51 | vasily_pupkin | b-man: i try to compile recent non-maemo mplayer :] |
| 22:10.05 | b-man | :) |
| 22:10.17 | b-man | searches google |
| 22:10.18 | jaem | grr... I don't know where all of my ethernet cable has gone... |
| 22:10.56 | jaem | my friend's dorm prompted a theory that cable tangle is actually a form of nest, and if left undisturbed for long enough, will produce baby rackmount switches |
| 22:11.05 | jaem | so maybe my cable is running off with his... |
| 22:11.08 | jaem | :P |
| 22:12.53 | vasily_pupkin | gentoo + scratchbox/maemo = funreal |
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| 22:14.13 | b-man | vasily_pupkin: i can't seem to find any results :( |
| 22:15.28 | vasily_pupkin | yep ^_^ |
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| 22:16.03 | vasily_pupkin | may be anybody know how properly setup new compiler to scratchbox-1? |
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| 22:18.24 | b-man | wonders how crazy it would be to compile Scratchbox2 to run on the armel architecture |
| 22:19.18 | jaem | b-man: pretty crazy |
| 22:19.26 | b-man | hehe |
| 22:19.39 | vasily_pupkin | for what? :] |
| 22:20.05 | jaem | we need a massive cluster of N810s for compiling |
| 22:20.09 | b-man | on-tablet porting/developing :) |
| 22:20.11 | jaem | like the hh.org guys |
| 22:20.38 | jaem | although theirs were custom ARM servers, I believe |
| 22:20.42 | b-man | compiled every package in the ubuntu-n8x0 repo on his tablet |
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| 22:20.53 | jaem | claps for b-man |
| 22:21.30 | b-man | gcc doesn't run too bad :) |
| 22:21.40 | vasily_pupkin | interesting, DSP works only on old OS2006 OS2007 |
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| 22:21.48 | vasily_pupkin | but how about OS2008? |
| 22:22.01 | vasily_pupkin | (at mplayer's dspmp3) |
| 22:22.19 | b-man | dsp runs in Diablo |
| 22:22.31 | b-man | dsp_did |
| 22:23.10 | b-man | looks at the proseses running on his tablet |
| 22:23.20 | GeneralAntilles | vasily_pupkin, DSP drops the CPU to 320MHz |
| 22:23.28 | GeneralAntilles | Which is actually slower than only CPU at 400MHz |
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| 22:26.19 | vasily_pupkin | hm |
| 22:26.49 | vasily_pupkin | i.e. [ "$DSP" -eq "peace of shit" ] ? :] |
| 22:27.03 | b-man | lol |
| 22:28.31 | vasily_pupkin | heh. |
| 22:29.05 | vasily_pupkin | push some strange toolchain with gcc 4.3.3 to scratchbox-1 |
| 22:31.17 | vasily_pupkin | but seems like my frankenshtein don't want to live |
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| 22:33.41 | ssvb | vasily_pupkin: about ARM vs. DSP clock frequencies: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/1184097560/ |
| 22:34.18 | ssvb | vasily_pupkin: I used scratchbox-1 quite fine in gentoo just a year ago |
| 22:34.39 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: am i odd for not giving a rats ass if it is kernel blob or closed source libs for powervr under similar scheme as the rest of 3rd party hw interfacing , as long as we get them? (kernel ko might be a problem in long term) |
| 22:35.00 | lcuk | no, you aren't |
| 22:35.33 | lcuk | as long as we can use the provided api i dont mind if its open or closed |
| 22:35.34 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, yes, you also hate freedom, I bet. |
| 22:35.40 | derf | Users generally don't give a rat's ass about IP issues. They want shit to work. |
| 22:35.48 | ssvb | vasily_pupkin: there should be even scratchbox ebuilds available in gentoo bugzilla |
| 22:35.50 | lcuk | amen |
| 22:36.13 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: yes, i am a raving anti-gnubie |
| 22:36.40 | suihkulokki | binary drivers in linux are eventually orthogonal with "things just working fur users" :P |
| 22:37.02 | jaem | suihkulokki: that's true, but getting it working is at least a first step |
| 22:37.03 | derf | suihkulokki: Yes, but users will care about that then, not now. |
| 22:37.07 | GeneralAntilles | Eventually, but hopefully the hardware will be more or less obsolete by that time. |
| 22:37.09 | jaem | I'd rather have half-working than not-working |
| 22:37.12 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 22:37.16 | derf | I'm with GeneralAntilles. |
| 22:37.25 | GeneralAntilles | I'd rather have drivers that we can use now, then work on getting the open source later. |
| 22:37.25 | derf | New OMAP, new set of issues. |
| 22:38.16 | suihkulokki | hates half-working stuff |
| 22:38.35 | Stskeeps | the oss ko and closed source libs seems fairly sane though |
| 22:38.51 | Stskeeps | eabi isn't going anywhere atm |
| 22:39.27 | derf | Uh-huh, and that's why we're still using a 2.6.18 kernel when the rest of the world is working on 2.6.30. |
| 22:39.55 | Stskeeps | .21 |
| 22:40.03 | derf | Yeha, .21, sorry. |
| 22:40.12 | derf | Still, several years old. |
| 22:40.22 | jaem | heck, all my computers run a 2.4.x kernel ;) |
| 22:40.25 | jaem | just kidding |
| 22:40.54 | luke-jr | derf: at least it isn't like the Zaurii using 2.4 :x |
| 22:40.59 | Stskeeps | and nothing really stops us from using stlc now and re-implementing oss n8x0 things again on new kernel api |
| 22:41.18 | Stskeeps | 2.6.28 ran on my 770. |
| 22:41.34 | vasily_pupkin | how about power management on kernel > 2.6.21? |
| 22:41.57 | derf | Right. That is the far more important bit. |
| 22:42.09 | derf | I wouldn't mind terribly if there was no sound on the tablet at all. |
| 22:42.34 | robink | wonders if you need the Boingo software to use Boingo on an N810. |
| 22:42.36 | lcuk | is it possible to run a machine with multiple kernels using the virtual machine stuff we saw a couple of weeks ago |
| 22:42.49 | jaem | lcuk: that's not out yet |
| 22:43.07 | ShadowJK | vasily_pupkin, maemomplayer's mp3dsp went through gstreamer, but gstreamer changed and is no longer compatible to be used that way |
| 22:43.16 | jaem | lcuk: and from their website, they seemed for concerned about using VMs for locking users out of DRM and such than letting us hack around with it |
| 22:43.20 | ShadowJK | or atleast the memo mplayer porter said that here :) |
| 22:43.39 | lcuk | jaem, im not tihnking specifically about their implementation, but could you "technically" do it |
| 22:44.10 | jaem | well, there is/was an ARM port of Xen - I don't think that really went anywhere, though |
| 22:45.01 | vasily_pupkin | ShadowJK: maemo mplayer still alive? O_O |
| 22:45.13 | ShadowJK | no idea :) |
| 22:45.41 | ShadowJK | vasily_pupkin, if you manage to compile a plain mplayer-svn, do benchmark :) |
| 22:45.56 | ssvb | vasily_pupkin: it depends on your definition of word 'alive' |
| 22:46.19 | ShadowJK | I know there has been lots of ARM work done, but I don't know if it was all optimizing for the newer ARM... |
| 22:46.56 | vasily_pupkin | ssvb: 8 month of inactivity == coma imho |
| 22:47.09 | suihkulokki | it can still be re-animated at will |
| 22:48.12 | ssvb | vasily_pupkin: plays videos quite fine here |
| 22:48.18 | lcuk | shhh, its sleeping |
| 22:48.37 | vasily_pupkin | yes, I even rebuild it with enca :) |
| 22:48.46 | vasily_pupkin | but.. |
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| 22:52.34 | dystopia | good to see http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/ getting filled :D |
| 22:54.20 | ssvb | vasily_pupkin: there should be 1.0rc3 upstream mplayer release soon, and by your definition upstream is also in coma ;) |
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| 22:56.21 | vasily_pupkin | ssvb: 1.0rc3 _maemo_ mplayer? :) |
| 22:56.58 | ssvb | vasily_pupkin: 1.0rc3 mplayer from http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ |
| 22:57.16 | vasily_pupkin | hm |
| 22:57.47 | vasily_pupkin | i don't look at rc numbers. just svn up shows what is what ^_^ |
| 22:58.52 | ShadowJK | hm, so is there svn activity in maemo mplayer too? :) |
| 22:59.34 | vasily_pupkin | no at all :] |
| 23:00.05 | vasily_pupkin | (at garage svn at least) |
| 23:00.18 | ssvb | ShadowJK: not really, but end result is the same :) |
| 23:01.02 | ShadowJK | I probably asked a few months ago, but I forgot, whether there's been any ARM improvements in upstream mplayer/libav* |
| 23:01.13 | ShadowJK | relevant for N8x0 |
| 23:01.40 | ssvb | maybe just a few, there are mostly ARMv7 NEON optimizations |
| 23:02.38 | ShadowJK | yeah |
| 23:02.49 | vasily_pupkin | is omapfb significantly faster then xv? |
| 23:03.01 | vasily_pupkin | wow |
| 23:03.01 | ssvb | vasily_pupkin: no |
| 23:03.02 | vasily_pupkin | WOW |
| 23:03.05 | vasily_pupkin | WOOOOW |
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| 23:03.16 | vasily_pupkin | mplayer-svn successfuly builded with gcc 4.3.2 |
| 23:03.17 | vasily_pupkin | (% |
| 23:03.19 | ShadowJK | It's faster for me, but I forgot why that was |
| 23:04.13 | vasily_pupkin | ok. are there some benchs to check speed of this crap? |
| 23:05.07 | ssvb | ShadowJK: yes, it's actually faster a bit, but XV is quite competitive: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26538 |
| 23:05.16 | vasily_pupkin | hm. maemo-mplayer: 8MB, my mplayer: 3Mb.. |
| 23:05.21 | vasily_pupkin | whats the hell.. |
| 23:05.53 | ssvb | ShadowJK: XV got some optimimizations in the latest diablo updates |
| 23:06.25 | ShadowJK | Do I have latest if I've tapped OK to the orange blinking icon.. |
| 23:07.48 | vasily_pupkin | fuck. I build it with GLIBC 2.7 |
| 23:07.49 | vasily_pupkin | (% |
| 23:08.13 | ssvb | vasily_pupkin: do you use crossdev? |
| 23:08.27 | vasily_pupkin | I use scratchbox |
| 23:08.27 | vasily_pupkin | :] |
| 23:09.22 | vasily_pupkin | hm. may be if I just replace glibc with the new one nothing bad happens..? |
| 23:09.24 | vasily_pupkin | (% |
| 23:09.44 | vasily_pupkin | or just recompile mplayer... |
| 23:10.37 | ssvb | just take a default compiler from SDK, it will save you from a lot of troubles |
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| 23:11.02 | vasily_pupkin | yes |
| 23:11.09 | vasily_pupkin | and save me from building mplayer :) |
| 23:12.22 | ssvb | vasily_pupkin: you are using gentoo and should know that having a stable version of gcc is important for the system health |
| 23:12.47 | ssvb | not all gcc releases from codesourcery are stable enough |
| 23:13.27 | vasily_pupkin | ssvb: yes, i'm using gentoo, and know, that in 90% of situations it doesn't matter anymore |
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| 23:13.42 | ssvb | vasily_pupkin: really? |
| 23:13.47 | vasily_pupkin | may be with arm - another situation |
| 23:13.53 | vasily_pupkin | but I want to check :) |
| 23:14.20 | ssvb | you can read some recommendations here: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#Cortex_A8_ARM |
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| 23:15.44 | ssvb | vasily_pupkin: a recent example, the last comment is mine: http://bugs.gentoo.org/241910 |
| 23:15.54 | vasily_pupkin | thanks for information :) |
| 23:18.19 | vasily_pupkin | ssvb: i use 32bit system, all features quite stable on it |
| 23:18.31 | vasily_pupkin | with any combinations :) |
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| 23:19.28 | ssvb | vasily_pupkin: good luck unmasking really untested gcc builds, like 4.4 snapshots ;) |
| 23:20.07 | ssvb | vasily_pupkin: and x86 tends to have less bugs naturally, because it has a lot more users and is better tested |
| 23:20.37 | vasily_pupkin | ssvb: bhaha ^) no, i don't like use *realy* unstable stuff :) |
| 23:23.16 | vasily_pupkin | ssvb: how do you think, is it generally bad idea, to update diablo's libc to 2.8? |
| 23:24.09 | ssvb | don't know |
| 23:25.30 | jaem | does anyone know of any cli software to test a hard drive's health? This is an old computer, and the BIOS doesn't support SMART (not sure if the HDDs do) |
| 23:26.24 | luke-jr | jaem: someone in #KCLUG just suggests SHA1SUM |
| 23:26.36 | luke-jr | eg, sha1sum the drive, flush the cache, then sha1sum it again |
| 23:26.38 | luke-jr | and compare |
| 23:26.43 | luke-jr | (obviously dont' write in the meantime) |
| 23:27.32 | jaem | well, the issue is that they were working fine, and then GRUB started hanging after a new OS install. I haven't had the time since then to check if they're toast, or if I just messed up. I was hoping for something quick |
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| 23:28.04 | ssvb | jaem: mhdd is quite good diagnostics/repair tool, you can find a bootable iso image on the net |
| 23:28.07 | vasily_zajcev | crossing fingers. updating libc6 2.5 -> 2.8 + reboot |
| 23:28.13 | jaem | ssvb: thanks |
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| 23:31.48 | vasily_zajcev | reboot.. |
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| 23:32.43 | vasily_zajcev | is full of fear |
| 23:33.26 | derf | Instead you should be full of beer. |
| 23:33.43 | vasily_zajcev | fuck |
| 23:33.46 | vasily_zajcev | it's dead ^_^ |
| 23:33.59 | vasily_zajcev | hint: don't update libc on maemo |
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| 23:36.19 | ssvb | maybe it just does not like russian snipers or internet/fido legendary fictional characters ;) |
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| 23:37.47 | lbt | so when I click the x icon, my app is saying "killed" any ideas? |
| 23:38.09 | lcuk | dont click the x |
| 23:38.12 | vasily_zajcev | time to go sleeping |
| 23:38.16 | lbt | slaps lcuk |
| 23:38.45 | vasily_zajcev | tomorrow will be The Day of Reanimation |
| 23:38.47 | vasily_zajcev | (% |
| 23:38.58 | lcuk | mmm animation |
| 23:39.10 | lbt | revenants |
| 23:39.36 | robink | Probably not. |
| 23:40.59 | lcuk | lbt, what is showing an error and what else happens |
| 23:41.10 | lcuk | saying where |
| 23:41.12 | lbt | nothing :( |
| 23:41.19 | lbt | it just says "Killed" |
| 23:41.25 | lcuk | what does? |
| 23:41.33 | lbt | http://pastebin.com/d40094207 |
| 23:41.42 | lbt | <sigh> |
| 23:42.01 | lcuk | wheres all the rest of your log :P |
| 23:42.17 | lcuk | you might have to dig deep within qt to identify that error |
| 23:43.13 | lbt | http://pastebin.com/d7d7fd038 |
| 23:43.42 | lbt | 's rude that it |
| 23:43.46 | lbt | is |
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| 23:47.34 | lcuk | lbt try with just a core simple qt app |
| 23:47.39 | lcuk | hello world |
| 23:47.45 | lcuk | see if it has same issue |
| 23:47.53 | lcuk | hello johnx! |
| 23:48.06 | jaem | hey, johnx |
| 23:48.12 | lbt | yeah - tomorrow I think - tired now... |
| 23:48.41 | lcuk | me too, has a bit of a reshuffle tonight, found something nice |
| 23:48.48 | lcuk | had |
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| 23:57.03 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, I'm gonna try to put together some mockups next week. |
| 23:57.33 | lbt | OK - I just tried removing the line around the icons |
| 23:57.38 | lbt | didn't work |
| 23:57.44 | lbt | I'm making it thinner now |
| 23:57.52 | lbt | also http://shopper.garage.maemo.org/help.html |