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| 00:07.34 | jaem_N810 | hello |
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| 01:27.16 | Pavlov | GeneralAntilles: you there? |
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| 01:39.20 | jaem_N810 | does anybody know if maemo-wordpy's connection is encrypted |
| 01:39.35 | jaem_N810 | *connection to WP |
| 01:40.00 | jaem_N810 | I thought I'd ask, since I don't have the time to fire up Wireshark at the moment |
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| 02:06.21 | Macer | ugh newegg sucks |
| 02:06.27 | Macer | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814187007 |
| 02:06.33 | Macer | i ordered that for the sole purpose of it having NO FAN |
| 02:06.42 | Macer | and i get a card with a flimsy ass heatsink and a crappy fan on it |
| 02:07.01 | fireun | sucker! |
| 02:07.05 | Macer | i know right |
| 02:07.11 | fireun | hates that |
| 02:07.13 | Macer | wtf :) it says PASSIVE Right in its name |
| 02:07.31 | fireun | I wont ever buy iomega products because of that |
| 02:07.40 | Macer | i just need it for a server. i am trying to eliminate having a video card with a fan on it in my server |
| 02:07.56 | fireun | geforce card, for a server? |
| 02:07.58 | Macer | one that i had didn't work in the box. and the one that's in there sounds like a damn jet engine |
| 02:08.10 | Macer | fireun: yah.. but it was an older 8400 and was $40 |
| 02:08.25 | fireun | would go scrounge a local pc shop |
| 02:08.27 | Macer | i really got it just because it didn't have a fan |
| 02:08.49 | Macer | fireun: local pc shop? if circuit city went under what makes you think there is a local pc shop anymore anywhere? |
| 02:08.59 | Macer | ;) |
| 02:09.11 | fireun | because there are like two in town here? |
| 02:09.19 | Macer | wow seriously? |
| 02:09.20 | fireun | milage may vary |
| 02:09.28 | Macer | it's just a front. they are peddaling drugs out the back door :) |
| 02:09.36 | fireun | there was never a circuit city here, is why |
| 02:09.43 | Macer | small town? |
| 02:09.51 | fireun | warehouse businesses DO kill small businesses |
| 02:10.10 | fireun | local cities dont like big box shops, although there is a walmart and a costco nearby |
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| 02:10.12 | Macer | yeah they sure do.. but stuff is so cheap :) although i suppose nobody can buy it if they don't have jobs |
| 02:10.24 | Macer | there's always a walmart ... it's in infestation |
| 02:10.33 | Macer | haven't you seen the walmart southpark? |
| 02:10.33 | fireun | you'd be suprised how many people still dont know how to shop online |
| 02:10.44 | fireun | my grandmother bought her pc at >SEARS< |
| 02:10.47 | Macer | oh i'm sure a ton of them don't.. or are rather scared |
| 02:10.50 | fireun | stupid old people |
| 02:10.57 | Macer | old people keep sears in business |
| 02:11.11 | Macer | plus. sears sells a lot of craftsman tools.. which i think is their real bread and butter |
| 02:11.28 | Macer | thinks about all the US car makers going under.... |
| 02:11.32 | Macer | well.. maybe not for long :) |
| 02:12.03 | Macer | you know what really sucks.. if you find an actual american made product.. then they are usually very high quality products |
| 02:12.10 | Macer | even canadian stuff is pretty good too |
| 02:12.15 | fireun | it seems like we're stop just short of outright collapse... but if you read/watch too much finance talk, we're really headed for the ringer. |
| 02:12.32 | fireun | like, buying FOOD next year is going to be a concern |
| 02:12.39 | fireun | but you cant believe everything you read |
| 02:12.44 | Macer | yeah.. from 14000 to 6800 for the dow |
| 02:12.47 | Macer | holy crap :) |
| 02:12.50 | fireun | is not employed, since last summer |
| 02:13.24 | fireun | is worried about school loans disappearing |
| 02:13.41 | fireun | has little left to lose, so isnt too worried |
| 02:14.08 | Macer | heh.. my company was able to adjust before the shit really hit the fan |
| 02:14.10 | fireun | I wonder what career hobos have to think about the current economic mess? |
| 02:14.23 | Macer | but their stock took a major hit when people were selling them off in order to make up for bankrupt hedge funds |
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| 02:14.44 | Macer | even the good stocks got hit because people had to make the money up elsewhere |
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| 02:15.11 | fireun | yup, cant watch stock markets, they're insane and cant be used to predict the future, unfortunatly, many many many people >are< in fact gauging the future by the activity of the stock market |
| 02:15.33 | Macer | fireun: private business is the only thing that is going to save the economy |
| 02:15.37 | fireun | kinda like using a roulette table to predict what food to buy |
| 02:15.44 | Macer | the stock market has always been nothing more than fake money :) |
| 02:16.18 | Macer | unfortunately the credit lines are given by a banking system that survives in the market |
| 02:16.41 | fireun | Macer: at a certain level, a basic lifestyle demands basic services - so for instance, "the pampered chef" market is pulling in big profits right now, everyone is cooking at home. |
| 02:17.12 | Macer | yeah... i suppose so |
| 02:17.21 | fireun | Macer: there are still localized sources of capital that will want an outlet, and those that dont trust the credit markets to see their money put to good use will invest in local business |
| 02:17.22 | Macer | on the brighter side.. we have free trade for not turning us into the new mexico :) |
| 02:17.32 | fireun | hopefully we wont slump back to barter markets |
| 02:17.33 | fireun | (: |
| 02:17.36 | fireun | hopefully |
| 02:17.37 | benson[away] | fireun: And everyone still has enough money to buy fancy cookware. |
| 02:17.40 | Macer | barter! haha |
| 02:17.54 | Macer | maybe that was the way to go in the first place |
| 02:17.59 | Macer | at least people would all learn a skill |
| 02:18.06 | benson[away] | Pampered Chef dies when times get worse, and people make do with one skiller. |
| 02:18.13 | fireun | benson[away]: americans buy stuff, to comfort themselves... cooking supplies, books, ect, seem like a safe bet |
| 02:18.17 | benson[away] | s/er/et/ |
| 02:18.27 | benson[away] | Lol |
| 02:18.41 | fireun | benson[away]: yes, all markets are transitionary |
| 02:18.43 | benson[away] | skillet, anyway. |
| 02:19.15 | fireun | finance is the ability to make profit from a given market environment |
| 02:19.25 | fireun | "financial weather" |
| 02:19.52 | fireun | is reading books on economics fundamentals to better understand what the hell market people are talking about |
| 02:20.31 | fireun | its all a bunch of mathmatical models nowdays |
| 02:20.31 | fireun | which is not always relatable to common sense reality |
| 02:21.18 | fireun | unfortunatly, the more I know about the situation, the easier it is to scare people with it (: |
| 02:21.57 | fireun | especially people who start a discussion with "goverment has never done any good" |
| 02:22.21 | fireun | frightening how many people think obama is a commie |
| 02:22.24 | benson | Oversimplifications FTW! |
| 02:22.30 | fireun | mutters |
| 02:22.52 | fireun | benson: the financial industry / economics theory is freaking madness |
| 02:23.37 | fireun | the more you look at it, the more there is to wonder about |
| 02:24.23 | fireun | http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2009/04/iceland200904?printable=true¤tPage=all |
| 02:24.46 | fireun | if you really want to blow your mind, look at what Iceland is like |
| 02:25.05 | fireun | 890% debt over GDP as they currently stand |
| 02:25.27 | fireun | they are FUBAR |
| 02:25.52 | fireun | the US is still only at like 30-40% even with current TARP spending |
| 02:26.01 | fireun | stops himself |
| 02:26.17 | doc|work | still... but for now |
| 02:26.18 | benson | That's pretty impressive. |
| 02:26.58 | fireun | doc|work: the US >does< have a pretty imense GDP, despite current losses |
| 02:27.11 | fireun | italy is supposed to be at like 90% GDP |
| 02:27.38 | doc|work | fireun: sure, and 70% of it built on people buying stuff. |
| 02:27.44 | doc|work | which they're no longer doing |
| 02:27.47 | fireun | again, finance is crazy, they've been trying to figure out what causes GDP growth in different countries *forever* |
| 02:27.48 | benson | tends not to research economics too much. No point making myself raging mad or suicidally depressed. ;) |
| 02:28.24 | doc|work | fireun: inflation does, but not for good reasons :) |
| 02:28.52 | fireun | benson: I cant sit buy and believe anything the talking heads on tv say, so... I spend that time reading |
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| 02:28.56 | fireun | doc|work: again, the more I learn, the more confusing it gets... |
| 02:29.17 | fireun | it can NOT be sumed up in a 2 minute "discussion" with a news anchor and his guest |
| 02:29.23 | doc|work | fireun: it's good for those who pull the strings that it's confusing. Means you can't question it. |
| 02:29.28 | benson | TV?! No way. |
| 02:29.28 | fireun | there is so much more the most people dont understand |
| 02:29.38 | doc|work | the entire thing is a pyramid scheme, and the bottom cards are falling now |
| 02:29.45 | benson | Reading definitely is the way to go about it. |
| 02:29.49 | fireun | benson: most americans get their "opinions" on whats going on from the TV |
| 02:29.55 | fireun | madness |
| 02:30.09 | fireun | doc|work: I cant side with any broad statement like that |
| 02:30.09 | benson | But I already know enough to have one of the aforementioned effects. |
| 02:30.15 | fireun | doc|work: but I will agree there are similarities |
| 02:30.40 | doc|work | fireun: start reading about money. History of it, and the past results of using fiat currencies. |
| 02:30.41 | fireun | benson: education is the only way to form an opinion, a trust network fails every time |
| 02:30.49 | fireun | like a game of telephone |
| 02:31.01 | fireun | doc|work: I saw something today.. hold on.. |
| 02:32.10 | fireun | doc|work: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/03/local-money-food-dollars.php |
| 02:32.47 | fireun | the fiat dollar system allows the fed to alter economic balance, which is key to how the US's markets work |
| 02:32.55 | fireun | it enabled strange models to be used |
| 02:33.05 | fireun | not that I'm saying its a good thing, it was just a new technology |
| 02:33.19 | doc|work | fireun: sure, and it's a bad thing |
| 02:33.34 | doc|work | they can print money whenever they want, spend the money however they want |
| 02:33.47 | fireun | doc|work: looking at today's numbers, yeah, doesnt seem to currently be doing any good, but for awhile it allowed some extraordinary things to exist |
| 02:34.04 | fireun | doc|work: running out of money does freakist things to a country |
| 02:34.18 | doc|work | fireun: the money's not running out |
| 02:34.23 | doc|work | the credit is |
| 02:34.24 | fireun | so its a useable recovery tool, but again, not necessarily good in the long run |
| 02:34.27 | doc|work | http://www.mises.org/money.asp |
| 02:34.31 | doc|work | you should read that |
| 02:34.36 | fireun | doc|work: right, the trap of using a fiat currency |
| 02:34.41 | doc|work | yup |
| 02:34.49 | fireun | everything has a cost |
| 02:35.08 | doc|work | having bad times? create more credit! having good times? hey, things are going well! more credit for everyone! |
| 02:35.20 | doc|work | oh look, a crack... |
| 02:35.25 | fireun | heard a quote the other day, that the US loves new technology, has always adopted new things and new ways of doing things without understanding the impact/costs.. |
| 02:35.28 | fireun | like cars, for instance |
| 02:35.38 | doc|work | pffft |
| 02:35.45 | fireun | we fall in love with a technology, and then get angry when it burns us down the road |
| 02:36.04 | fireun | "its my RIGHT to be able to drive my 8L hemi down the road as fast as I wanna" |
| 02:36.04 | doc|work | if they could have the industrial revolution without fiat currency they could have had growth in the last 100 years without it |
| 02:36.21 | fireun | couldnt? |
| 02:36.25 | doc|work | I'd even suggest it would be better growth as there'd be more malinvestment |
| 02:36.31 | doc|work | with credit |
| 02:36.35 | doc|work | e.g. housing bubbles |
| 02:36.39 | fireun | doc|work: all moot at this day (: |
| 02:36.39 | doc|work | no, could |
| 02:36.46 | fireun | hindsight is a bitch |
| 02:36.58 | doc|work | fireun: not at all, to fix the problem you first need to understand what caused it |
| 02:37.11 | fireun | knowledge is power |
| 02:37.15 | doc|work | not understanding it and trying to fix it makes you a .... politician... |
| 02:37.20 | fireun | heh |
| 02:37.22 | fireun | no doubt |
| 02:37.34 | doc|work | anyway, read that link |
| 02:37.38 | doc|work | lots of other stuff there too |
| 02:37.38 | fireun | the technology of politicians is "people" |
| 02:37.57 | fireun | yeah, I appologize for derailing #maemo onto current economics topics |
| 02:38.16 | fireun | its easy to get passionate about it these days |
| 02:38.37 | doc|work | yeah |
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| 03:12.47 | Macer | wtf |
| 03:12.55 | Macer | i tell you if it's not one thing it's another :) |
| 03:13.05 | Macer | filezilla won't xfer unless i am moving the mouse haha |
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| 03:23.50 | benson | Macer, do like http://xkcd.com/196/ |
| 03:24.08 | benson | Fortunately there's no girl involved. ;) |
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| 05:58.38 | GeneralAntilles | Pavlov, pong? |
| 05:59.18 | Pavlov | hi |
| 05:59.45 | Pavlov | so, for uploading to extras it looks like we're supposed to upload a src deb.. know who i should ask a few questions about? |
| 06:00.22 | GeneralAntilles | About creating a source deb or about uploading one? |
| 06:00.32 | Pavlov | more the former i guess |
| 06:00.58 | GeneralAntilles | Well, jeremiah is the official debmaster. |
| 06:01.13 | GeneralAntilles | But a lot of the people in here can help. |
| 06:01.32 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800 might be around. |
| 06:03.54 | Pavlov | ok |
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| 06:49.27 | RST38h | Anyone knows how to parse .8Xu format? |
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| 06:54.35 | ENTERANICK | [W2I=000:u:0:000:] |
| 06:54.57 | ENTERANICK | is there where you get help with web2irc |
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| 07:24.27 | johnx_ | jbodman, what kind of help do you need? |
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| 08:06.40 | Jaffa | morning, all |
| 08:06.54 | RST38h | moo johnx |
| 08:07.42 | johnx_ | m00f RST38h |
| 08:07.46 | johnx_ | morning Jaffa |
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| 08:28.00 | RST38h | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/06/AR2009030603646.html?nav=igoogle |
| 08:28.09 | RST38h | WashPost at its best =) |
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| 08:34.29 | sans | How to set proxy from my application in maemo? |
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| 08:41.11 | RST38h | what proxy? |
| 08:42.59 | udovdh | hello |
| 08:43.10 | udovdh | anybody know where to find documentation |
| 08:43.23 | udovdh | on the n810 gps? (configuration, features, etc) |
| 08:43.23 | RST38h | maemo.org |
| 08:43.36 | RST38h | you have no direct access to n810 gps |
| 08:43.50 | sans | network proxy |
| 08:43.59 | udovdh | /dev/pgps |
| 08:44.02 | udovdh | http://search.maemo.org/search?q=gps+c+onfiguration&btnG=Search&site=maemo-org&client=maemo-org&proxystylesheet=maemo-org&output=xml_no_dtd |
| 08:44.03 | RST38h | But it is TI NaviLink GPS5300 part |
| 08:44.16 | udovdh | ok and how do I set what sentences I want? |
| 08:44.30 | udovdh | I know for navit that there are a few deamons in between |
| 08:44.31 | RST38h | a moment. |
| 08:44.36 | udovdh | but I want to check the raw gps device |
| 08:45.21 | RST38h | http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.1/libgpsmgr-0.2/ |
| 08:45.31 | udovdh | RST38h, thanks, will have a look |
| 08:45.31 | RST38h | http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.1/libgpsbt-0.2/ |
| 08:45.57 | sans | i want to do proxy settings within my application for checking it on X86 |
| 08:46.04 | RST38h | sans: 1. Install proxy, 2. make your application route accesses to localhost:<proxyport> |
| 08:46.24 | udovdh | RST38h, I just got navit to build for n810 using OpenEmbedded: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Navit_on_OpenEmbedded_for_n810 |
| 08:46.34 | udovdh | so I am now looking into these things |
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| 08:47.54 | sans | Install proxy ? |
| 08:49.22 | sans | RST38h:how do i install proxy? |
| 08:51.15 | sans | is there any api to set hostname and port number of proxy in my application |
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| 08:57.07 | sans | is there any api to set hostname and port number of proxy in my application |
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| 09:02.31 | RST38h | sans: No, should there be? |
| 09:04.45 | jaem_away | hey, all |
| 09:04.56 | RST38h | is getting really weird haiku-like spam |
| 09:05.01 | jaem | haha |
| 09:05.15 | jaem | I just found an uber-cheap source for erbium-doped laser rods |
| 09:05.19 | RST38h | Am I missing something or is it simply a case of another nigerian using automatic translation? |
| 09:05.23 | jaem | and even cheaper xenon flash strobes |
| 09:05.33 | RST38h | jaem: You know what to do! |
| 09:05.39 | jaem | hehe... I do indeed |
| 09:05.55 | jaem | I'm not sure if we'll be able to get them across the border easily, though :( |
| 09:06.06 | sans | yeah it would be helpfull for me as i am deploping an app in GTK for which i have to connect to net but for that have to do proxy settings for my application |
| 09:06.07 | RST38h | Launch them straight into space. |
| 09:06.12 | jaem | um...? |
| 09:06.21 | jaem | I was thinking more like "build a laser" |
| 09:06.50 | RST38h | was thinking more like "build a freaking huge arrays of lasers and DESTROY DESTROY" |
| 09:06.59 | jaem | the rods are $20 each, presumably in decent condition, but sold "as-is" |
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| 09:07.17 | jaem | and the strobe to pump it is another $20 |
| 09:07.18 | RST38h | afaik, end surfaces have to be treated in a special way |
| 09:07.26 | sans | yeah it would be helpfull for me as i am deploping an app in GTK for which i have to connect to net but for that have to do proxy settings for my application |
| 09:07.26 | jaem | yes, most likely |
| 09:07.29 | jaem | we're looking into it |
| 09:07.33 | jaem | but hey - it would be fun |
| 09:07.44 | RST38h | snas: You do all network access on your own |
| 09:07.51 | RST38h | sans: this includes proxying |
| 09:08.11 | RST38h | jaem: Depends on which government you are going to blackmail I guess... |
| 09:08.25 | jaem | lol... they're not *that* dangerous |
| 09:08.42 | RST38h | jaem: Or are you going for a planet-destroying-scale device? |
| 09:08.48 | jaem | they're the "burn your eyes clear through the back of your head" type, not the Death Star type |
| 09:09.26 | jaem | we're seriously considering it, and I have some contacts at my uni, and elsewhere |
| 09:09.30 | jaem | so it might work out :D |
| 09:09.38 | RST38h | fun! |
| 09:10.03 | jaem | indeed |
| 09:10.06 | RST38h | Now if someone told methe format of the .8xu file... |
| 09:10.07 | jaem | and dirt cheap, too |
| 09:10.13 | jaem | although the optics might be pricey |
| 09:10.25 | jaem | RST38h: did you try the usual places? |
| 09:11.14 | jaem | you could always try grovelling at TI - they won't give you the format spec, but they'd probably appreciate it ;) |
| 09:12.00 | RST38h | tried all possible places, no doughnut. |
| 09:12.28 | RST38h | is currently reverse engineering the damn format and it looks easy except that some data seems to go to the same location in rom |
| 09:12.38 | jaem | O_o |
| 09:12.40 | jaem | is Jeremiah's e-mail address listed somewhere? |
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| 09:13.03 | sans | RST38h: Didn't get u |
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| 09:23.00 | RST38h | sans: How do you access a web site? |
| 09:28.38 | sans | by typing its name :) |
| 09:29.01 | udovdh | after an apt-get update/upgrade I get: |
| 09:29.02 | udovdh | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 09:29.02 | udovdh | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:29.07 | udovdh | any idea why? |
| 09:31.20 | sans | what r u tryin to install |
| 09:31.29 | Stskeeps | morning |
| 09:31.38 | sans | udovdh:what r u tryin to install |
| 09:31.58 | udovdh | sans, just an update/upgrade thing |
| 09:32.01 | udovdh | nothing special |
| 09:32.08 | udovdh | I did |
| 09:32.25 | udovdh | apt-get update |
| 09:32.29 | udovdh | apt-get upgrade |
| 09:32.33 | Jaffa | jaem: not sure, google "jeremiah foster" and find his blog? |
| 09:32.47 | udovdh | and in upgrade I get these lines as part of the output |
| 09:32.48 | RST38h | sans: ok. what do you call "my program" then? |
| 09:32.48 | udovdh | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 09:32.49 | udovdh | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:33.12 | Stskeeps | pokes his coffee |
| 09:34.11 | udovdh | hmmm |
| 09:34.17 | udovdh | apt-get dist-upgrade helps here! |
| 09:34.20 | jaem | Jaffa: I did, and it had his IM addresses, but no e-mail contact that I could see |
| 09:34.28 | udovdh | see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69 |
| 09:34.46 | jaem | Sts: what does poking do, aside from scald your finger :P |
| 09:38.01 | qwerty12 | jaem, you can try jeremiah AT devmodul.com |
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| 09:39.21 | Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jeremiah |
| 09:41.33 | sans | RST38h: I am trying to get data from web and display in an application |
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| 09:50.33 | jaem | thanks |
| 09:50.34 | jaem | g'night |
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| 09:55.31 | RST38h | sans: Sorry, either I do not understand what you are doing or you do not understand what you want to do yourself |
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| 10:09.27 | TCMAN-dmg | hi |
| 10:11.18 | TCMAN-dmg | i am kind of a n810 noob and i have bunch of questions |
| 10:11.57 | TCMAN-dmg | is anyone maintaining pidgin? it seems a bit outdated? |
| 10:12.41 | qwerty12 | blinks as his function to launch the file manager with the correct folder in transmission actually works |
| 10:13.04 | TCMAN-dmg | and is there any simple x11+openbox/fbpanel or lxde type gui for n810 instead of maemo? |
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| 10:18.40 | AStorm | hello |
| 10:18.46 | AStorm | I'm having a problem with battery monitor |
| 10:19.05 | AStorm | it seems locked up - either always says battery low |
| 10:19.13 | AStorm | or that it's always charging |
| 10:20.29 | AStorm | happened recently, after an invalid shutdown I guess |
| 10:20.52 | qwerty12 | The icon or when you tap it? |
| 10:21.40 | AStorm | always, both |
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| 10:21.56 | AStorm | it responds to charger being connected |
| 10:22.01 | AStorm | but not to it being disconnected |
| 10:22.05 | qwerty12 | Odd. If the icon doesn't animate when charging, "gtk-update-icon-cache -f /usr/share/icons/hicolor" works for me but you may have a different problem |
| 10:22.23 | AStorm | yeah, it's some bme failure |
| 10:27.13 | AStorm | I'd like some help with this... |
| 10:27.22 | AStorm | don't know what to look for |
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| 10:35.41 | papagaj | hello! |
| 10:35.59 | papagaj | which repository do I have to enable in order to install sqlite3 cli |
| 10:36.09 | papagaj | into the scratchbox X86 environment? |
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| 10:51.02 | thopiekar | morning |
| 10:51.58 | thopiekar | why is it not possible to remove a project from garage.maemo.org? |
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| 10:52.14 | RST38h | because nobody needed it so far? |
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| 10:52.21 | thopiekar | :| |
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| 11:12.58 | Corsac | mhm, with my last dist-upgrade on mer, the left buttons are not visible anymore |
| 11:13.06 | Corsac | it seems that all the âdesktopâ is shifted, in fact |
| 11:13.27 | qwerty12 | http://jaiku.com/channel/mer/presence/55050860 |
| 11:15.12 | Corsac | that's why :) |
| 11:15.13 | Corsac | thanks |
| 11:15.30 | AStorm | qwerty12, seems like refreshing the cache fixed it... wicked |
| 11:16.06 | qwerty12 | X-Fade, you broke the chinook builder at least: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/chinook/transmission_1.40-2maemo3-1.34dgfix3/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt :) |
| 11:18.27 | Stskeeps | Corsac: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-closer.png |
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| 11:24.32 | Corsac | wow :) |
| 11:24.34 | Corsac | is there an ETA? |
| 11:26.49 | AStorm | Stskeeps, build me Deluge |
| 11:26.52 | AStorm | ;) |
| 11:27.00 | AStorm | transmission is worse |
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| 11:32.04 | Stskeeps | Corsac: all depends on when wazd shows up ;) |
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| 11:32.17 | Corsac | ok :) |
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| 11:37.51 | qwerty12 | X-Fade, I lied. Sorry. |
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| 12:16.15 | Myrtti | hums a cheery tune |
| 12:17.51 | Jaffa | sticks sofa beds, desks and office chairs up on ebay |
| 12:21.34 | Stskeeps | selling all your possessions for the preorder of RX-51? :P |
| 12:21.56 | Jaffa | Not quite :) |
| 12:23.00 | RST38h | TI82 added. |
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| 13:31.59 | lopz | hola |
| 13:44.13 | Macer | hi |
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| 13:46.11 | Stskeeps | morning Meizirkki |
| 13:46.14 | Stskeeps | new ISP? |
| 13:46.29 | Meizirkki | morning |
| 13:46.37 | Meizirkki | no, i'm just not at home |
| 13:46.44 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 13:47.42 | Stskeeps | whoever came up with gobject will be the first against the wall when the revolution comes |
| 13:49.40 | Myrtti | I set my editor at my shellproviders to emacs and still my crontab -e throws me into vi ;____; |
| 13:49.44 | Myrtti | whimpers |
| 13:49.53 | Stskeeps | export VISUAL=emacs? export EDITOR=emacs? |
| 13:50.00 | Stskeeps | is a vim user but believes in choice :P |
| 13:50.11 | Myrtti | Stskeeps: I put it in .zshrc and started a new instance. |
| 13:50.13 | Myrtti | bah. |
| 13:50.19 | Stskeeps | (we were forced to use emacs at uni .. :P) |
| 13:50.38 | ShadowJK | we could use whatever we wanted at uni |
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| 13:50.57 | ShadowJK | they didn't particulary care about programming langue either :-) |
| 13:51.07 | Myrtti | I was taught how to do SQL92 with emacs and have loved it since |
| 13:51.30 | Myrtti | the professor is quite well known in emacsen, I believe... so I guess he was a bit partial |
| 13:51.47 | Stskeeps | ShadowJK: yeah, it was like that after a bit |
| 13:52.11 | Stskeeps | tries to find the needle in the haystack with hn-app-switcher |
| 13:53.14 | Myrtti | bah. I did manage to get the crontab there anyway |
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| 13:58.56 | Stskeeps | Myrtti: any good shopping list utilities for 770? |
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| 13:59.22 | Stskeeps | is trying to tablet-addict his fiancee :P |
| 13:59.58 | qwerty12_N800 | build qt for 770 :p |
| 14:00.11 | Stskeeps | yeah, i was actually pondering that |
| 14:00.56 | qwerty12_N800 | iirc, lbt has a older gtk version of shopper actually |
| 14:00.56 | Myrtti | Stskeeps: not that I know of, haven't looked. I'm usually happy if my tablet has pdf reader for viewing knitting patterns, mauku for microblog and osso-xterm and ssh for irssi |
| 14:01.08 | lbt | I have |
| 14:01.35 | Stskeeps | hmm, that could be interesting |
| 14:02.18 | lbt | There's a deb if you want it - it works well |
| 14:02.27 | Myrtti | it does sadden me that the amount of apps for 2007 (or OS2007HE2) is so small and installing the apps is such a pain in the rear |
| 14:02.51 | lbt | I think Mer is about making sure that's not a problem for the N8x0 |
| 14:03.05 | qwerty12_N800 | lbt: i may go for it - I don't have enough space for qt libs :) |
| 14:03.16 | Stskeeps | lbt: sure, url |
| 14:03.38 | lbt | one minute |
| 14:03.50 | Stskeeps | Myrtti: i'm worried that Mer is slow on 770s :/ i am really amazed how 2007he runs on it though |
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| 14:05.15 | Stskeeps | http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-oknotperfect.png |
| 14:05.31 | johnx | hot! |
| 14:05.49 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: wow, getting there :-) |
| 14:05.57 | Jaffa | Where've the status bar applets gone? |
| 14:05.59 | lbt | Stskeeps: I hope : http://shopper.garage.maemo.org/shopper_0.3.5_armel.deb |
| 14:06.01 | johnx | did it take much hacking to make the task switcher work horizontal? |
| 14:06.26 | Stskeeps | johnx: i have considered once or twice getting whoever did hn-app-switcher drunk and getting him/her to do it for me. |
| 14:07.05 | johnx | the 'drunk' part is a bribe or a comment about the code? |
| 14:07.12 | Stskeeps | both, i guess |
| 14:08.30 | lbt | qwerty12_N800: how much does it say it must download for the Qt version of shopper? |
| 14:09.18 | qwerty12_N800 | lbt: ~16MB, will take ~40MB when installed |
| 14:09.46 | lbt | I'll look at the dependencies - it's supposed to only need a subset of Qt |
| 14:11.30 | Stskeeps | lbt: ok, doesn't work in 2007he, but that's what i get for running an old OS :P |
| 14:11.57 | lbt | shame - I did have a chinook version IIRC |
| 14:14.17 | Stskeeps | i'll just have to get Mer working on it properly :P |
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| 14:19.40 | Stskeeps | johnx: i'm just not sure if i like a constant dropdown instead like.. |
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| 14:20.17 | incinerator_ | hello, can anyone help me with bluetooth DUN setup? |
| 14:20.24 | johnx | Stskeeps, have you used anything with normal matchbox where you click on the titlebar to switch apps? |
| 14:20.40 | Stskeeps | no idea, i disabled the mb titlebar |
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| 14:21.13 | Stskeeps | johnx: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-dropdownapps.png |
| 14:21.22 | johnx | IMNSHO one click to switch apps is nicer |
| 14:21.51 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 14:21.51 | johnx | but it depends on how many you're running I guess |
| 14:21.51 | johnx | aaah, and have that in addition? |
| 14:21.51 | incinerator_ | i'm trying to let my brand-new n810 connect to the PC via bluetooth DUN and pppd |
| 14:21.51 | johnx | I do like that |
| 14:21.58 | incinerator_ | but pppd always does a modem hangup |
| 14:22.07 | Stskeeps | incinerator_: Bluetooth PAN might be easier |
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| 14:24.06 | thopiekar | Stskeeps: -> #mer :P |
| 14:31.29 | Stskeeps | johnx: i think wazd's idea is basically Applications Menu, Menu (formerly titlebar), Running apps (+ switcher), Statusbar |
| 14:31.50 | lbt | hmm qwerty12_N800 I removed all the qt libraries and it still needs 7/19Mb - I think that's as modular as it gets right now :) |
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| 14:33.52 | qwerty12_N800 | lbt: hehe, I really need to clone :D (although this card is slow :(, on a diablo extracted from the rootfs, I get stalling when booted from card :/) |
| 14:33.54 | Stskeeps | johnx: and adjustment of how many apps can be contained in running apps (number of items) |
| 14:37.24 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: agreed, that's how I understand his mockup |
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| 14:48.22 | lbt | so about xrandr... |
| 14:48.30 | lbt | someone said the new kernel has i |
| 14:48.31 | lbt | t |
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| 15:01.26 | lbt | jott: ping |
| 15:01.54 | qwerty12_N800 | ~seen jott |
| 15:01.55 | infobot | jott is currently on #maemo, last said: ':)'. |
| 15:02.05 | lbt | http://www.sse2.net/rotate/ refers to osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked_1%3a5.2008.43-7_all.deb which isn't there... |
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| 15:03.10 | qwerty12_N800 | He hasn't said anything on #maemo for a few months :/ |
| 15:03.31 | lbt | just a ghost presence then... |
| 15:04.17 | lbt | I think the %3a in that url may be wrong |
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| 15:14.55 | lcuk | lbt, he is not a ghost presence, however the fontsize of his responses is measured using complex numbers |
| 15:15.16 | lbt | <grin> |
| 15:15.30 | lbt | well, if he's not here you'll do .... |
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| 15:15.46 | lcuk | qwerty knows more about rotation lol |
| 15:16.08 | qwerty12_N800 | not really :) |
| 15:16.16 | lbt | oh well... |
| 15:16.17 | lcuk | jott managed to almost kill liqbase at the summit |
| 15:16.28 | qwerty12_N800 | <-- never dealed with libxrandr |
| 15:16.29 | lbt | this page http://outpo.st/rotate/ of jott's |
| 15:16.32 | lcuk | my mmc could not handle the speed boost |
| 15:16.39 | lbt | has 2 debs |
| 15:16.49 | lbt | http://www.sse2.net/rotate/ refers to 3 |
| 15:16.59 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: burn your weakling mmc! |
| 15:17.06 | lcuk | ok |
| 15:17.12 | lbt | osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked_1%3a5.2008.43-7_all.deb is missing |
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| 15:17.34 | lcuk | wasnt there meant to be a kernel quilt built up of all these patches |
| 15:17.40 | lcuk | and wasnt qwerty involved :P |
| 15:19.50 | qwerty12_N800 | i'm a member of community kernels but I dunno if that's ever gonna be active :/ : here's what I came up with : http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/kernel/uber_kernel.diff |
| 15:19.51 | lcuk | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26758 |
| 15:19.59 | lcuk | lbt ^ |
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| 15:20.11 | lbt | %3a is a ":" |
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| 15:20.25 | lcuk | http://wiki.maemo.org/Rotation |
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| 15:25.19 | lbt | I thought Diablo updates didn't need flash anymore and happened through the net... |
| 15:25.34 | lbt | so why am I on OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_VERSION='4.2008.30-2' |
| 15:26.05 | lcuk | you still need a flashable version to get started |
| 15:27.20 | lbt | hmm I think my memory is going... do I need to do 'one last flash' |
| 15:30.09 | lcuk | i dont think so |
| 15:30.26 | lbt | apt-get install osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked |
| 15:30.28 | lcuk | i recall something about people having a backass version number but still being updated |
| 15:30.45 | lcuk | 34 is the 800 isnt it |
| 15:30.51 | lcuk | thought you had an 810 |
| 15:30.52 | lbt | yes |
| 15:31.02 | lbt | no |
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| 15:31.11 | lbt | external GPS |
| 15:31.41 | lbt | so when I mentioned shopper+GPS you probably linked it to 810 |
| 15:32.17 | lcuk | you have gps for shopper? |
| 15:32.24 | lbt | soon |
| 15:32.34 | lcuk | is that so you can find your way back to the cheese? |
| 15:32.43 | lbt | it was supposed to be |
| 15:32.50 | lcuk | lol need indoor gps |
| 15:32.54 | lbt | but GPS and Sainsburys don't work |
| 15:33.00 | lbt | I tried |
| 15:33.29 | lcuk | you could have your helpers standing with mirrors to deflect signals around and out the windows |
| 15:33.36 | lcuk | enlists his children |
| 15:34.20 | lbt | hmm, my ssh based install just said: |
| 15:34.27 | lbt | Stopping Internet Connectivity daemon 2: icd2 |
| 15:34.31 | lbt | and then nothing... |
| 15:34.51 | lcuk | lol |
| 15:35.04 | lcuk | why does it cull icd? |
| 15:35.22 | lbt | I just did |
| 15:35.27 | lbt | apt-get install osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked |
| 15:35.33 | qwerty12 | Leave it, it'll reconnect |
| 15:35.39 | lbt | which appears to be doing a catchup |
| 15:35.48 | lbt | qwerty12: yep - I ran top on the machine |
| 15:35.52 | lbt | and dpkg is busy |
| 15:38.50 | lbt | my tablet is telling me football scores |
| 15:38.58 | lbt | I bloody hate football |
| 15:39.04 | lbt | I'd rather have Skype |
| 15:39.06 | lbt | Aaaargh |
| 15:39.29 | lbt | still, I guess the upgrade didn't brick anything... |
| 15:40.36 | lbt | hey lcuk - have you tried shopper 0.5.5 ? |
| 15:41.01 | lcuk | ive not got *any* space on my /, certainly not enough for qt |
| 15:41.07 | lcuk | will do soon |
| 15:41.22 | lbt | excuses |
| 15:41.22 | lcuk | shopper is the principle hello world app for qt :) you are a gateway drug |
| 15:41.49 | lcuk | tisnt excuses david, very impressed you have got something simple and usable in qt, it will be important to adoption |
| 15:41.56 | lbt | trolltech bribed me |
| 15:42.18 | lcuk | lol |
| 15:42.21 | lbt | I just want your opinion on the finger scrolling and gestures |
| 15:42.30 | lcuk | is it in extras? |
| 15:42.51 | lcuk | will put it on the other one |
| 15:43.01 | lbt | it is |
| 15:43.33 | lcuk | cool, ill get tracy to do it whilst im rebuilding her pooter |
| 15:43.35 | lbt | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/shopper/ |
| 15:43.44 | lcuk | no good now, she can search lol |
| 15:43.54 | lcuk | have you left both versions of shopper available? |
| 15:43.59 | lcuk | or is there only 1 listed |
| 15:44.00 | lbt | it's still on the downloads page |
| 15:44.03 | lbt | only 1 |
| 15:44.20 | lcuk | good |
| 15:44.27 | lbt | I just uploaded the gtk version though |
| 15:44.34 | lbt | if anyone needs it |
| 15:44.46 | lcuk | what so if i install from extras now its the gtk one? |
| 15:44.56 | lbt | But let me say I hate Antony Dovgal |
| 15:45.08 | lbt | no, sorry, extras is qt |
| 15:45.18 | lbt | but someone asked for the gtk |
| 15:45.27 | lbt | so I uploaded the deb to the website |
| 15:45.31 | lcuk | Myrtti and her 770 |
| 15:45.34 | lbt | no links to it or anything |
| 15:45.40 | lbt | yes that was it |
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| 15:45.54 | lcuk | ill bbl :) ill let you know |
| 15:46.04 | lbt | is Chinook == 770 ? |
| 15:46.31 | Myrtti | I've got bora since I'm using OS2007HE2 |
| 15:46.48 | lbt | OK - hmmm |
| 15:46.53 | qwerty12 | Chinook is the first edition of OS2008, 4.0. Diablo is the second edition, 4.1. |
| 15:46.58 | lbt | not sure if I can build shopper for Bora |
| 15:47.34 | lbt | qwerty12: you'll know... can I setup a scratchbox for Bora |
| 15:48.11 | qwerty12 | You should be able to, I've got my scratchbox set up for the Fremantle alpha & Diablo. |
| 15:48.37 | lbt | Myrtti: do you want shopper/gtk? |
| 15:48.46 | Myrtti | lbt: pls ⥠|
| 15:48.57 | lbt | OK - no promises... |
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| 15:49.59 | qwerty12 | lbt, you can run the http://repository.maemo.org/stable/3.1/maemo-sdk-install_3.1.sh script |
| 15:50.33 | qwerty12 | But check you have the scratchbox packages mentioned in http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/3.1/INSTALL.txt installed |
| 15:51.57 | lbt | I'm mostly worried about the gtkmm bits |
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| 16:11.07 | lcuk | lbt - shopper is there but qt isnt |
| 16:11.42 | thopiekar | qt is in extras-devel.... |
| 16:11.57 | thopiekar | even not ready for extras i think.. |
| 16:12.20 | thopiekar | or what do you mean? |
| 16:12.46 | lcuk | thats the point - shopper cqannot be installed without needing devel |
| 16:14.39 | b-man | thopiekar: i herd you said i could not get AWN running on my tablet, so i did XD - http://www.bman.maemobox.org/projects/ubuntu-n8x0/screenshots/Screenshot-10.png |
| 16:14.58 | b-man | XD |
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| 16:20.36 | lbt | lcuk: oh, I didn't realise that - grr - this is another reason we need extras, extras-test and extras-experimental |
| 16:22.19 | lcuk | lbt no, its the problem of using thne unreleased lib unfortunately, and its outside yyourf ontrol |
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| 16:23.23 | lcuk | i would like to signup for specific testing of specific apps |
| 16:23.39 | lcuk | insstead of all apps from -devel |
| 16:23.44 | lbt | yeah |
| 16:23.46 | lbt | that's hard |
| 16:23.47 | lcuk | and i hate 810 kb lol |
| 16:23.59 | lcuk | bbl anyway |
| 16:24.06 | lbt | 'k l8r |
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| 16:24.12 | lbt | GeneralAntilles: ping |
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| 16:27.38 | lcuk | lbt 7 mb download |
| 16:27.44 | lcuk | i see cheese bacon |
| 16:27.54 | lbt | thought you might... |
| 16:27.59 | lcuk | i click add new |
| 16:28.05 | lcuk | bottomleft |
| 16:28.18 | lcuk | keyboard is locked in Fn mode |
| 16:28.29 | lbt | ah, now that I can't test... |
| 16:28.31 | lcuk | it wont let me type letters |
| 16:29.00 | lbt | maybe that's why Qt isn't in extras <grin> |
| 16:30.04 | lbt | what happens if you close the keyboard? |
| 16:30.13 | lbt | do you get the virtual one? |
| 16:30.51 | lcuk | sunno |
| 16:30.53 | lcuk | d |
| 16:31.05 | lbt | https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=3482&group_id=424&atid=1605 |
| 16:31.06 | lbt | ?? |
| 16:31.19 | lcuk | no |
| 16:31.40 | lcuk | david im vncing from tracys machine cant click |
| 16:32.24 | lbt | err |
| 16:32.56 | lbt | on what? |
| 16:33.17 | lbt | virt keyb? |
| 16:34.24 | Jaffa | Hmm, I can't run af-sb-init.sh start on my fremantle install; all that happens is a whole load of messages with two looking particularly nasty |
| 16:34.26 | lcuk | 810 im touchtyping on the thumbboard lol |
| 16:34.36 | Jaffa | matchbox: No composite extension |
| 16:34.36 | Jaffa | matchbox-window-manager: *Error* OOM? |
| 16:36.46 | Jaffa | So, any thoughts on how I get Xephyr to have a composite extension? |
| 16:36.56 | qwerty12 | Jaffa, in FREMANTLE_X86? Also, use "Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac &" to launch Xephyr. (Mainly, don't have -extension Composite in there - sounds counterproductive but it only works if I don't have it in there) |
| 16:37.37 | Jaffa | qwerty12: Ah, I didn't think I did have it, but I do. Ta. Will remove & retry |
| 16:38.10 | Jaffa | Aha, much better. |
| 16:38.12 | Jaffa | Ta muchly |
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| 16:38.28 | qwerty12 | np |
| 16:43.41 | lbt | lcuk: is it working yet? |
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| 16:57.58 | b-man | Stskeeps: how did you get the camera to work in cheese? - i remember you doing it but i've forgotten how |
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| 17:08.47 | lbt | well rotation in Shopper 'just works' after installing the right kernel ;) |
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| 17:28.11 | sp3000 | GeneralAntilles, the Rabid Defender :P |
| 17:29.25 | sp3000 | lolmark |
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| 17:56.24 | guysoft42 | hey, i seem to have lost audio capability in the debian chroot. does anyone know what could be the cause? |
| 18:05.11 | FireFox3 | needs to find a more practical way to manage his repository - it's getting larger wich means it's taking longer to re-image |
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| 18:05.56 | FireFox3 | (i'm on average uploading 300-450 files every time :P) |
| 18:06.38 | guysoft42 | FireFox3, what repo? |
| 18:06.48 | FireFox3 | ubuntu-n8x0 |
| 18:07.25 | FireFox3 | i'm adding e17 to it atm |
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| 18:10.12 | FireFox3 | i need a way to just upload individual packages without having to re-upload the entire repository |
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| 18:22.48 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, pong? |
| 18:22.48 | GeneralAntilles | sp3000, rawr! |
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| 18:26.10 | GeneralAntilles | sp3000, I had to unsubscribe after I started getting off-list flames. |
| 18:26.13 | GeneralAntilles | Just not worth it. |
| 18:27.16 | sp3000 | that's ...nice |
| 18:29.38 | GeneralAntilles | I wonder if Nokia's going to fuck us with the new categories. |
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| 18:33.04 | FireFox3 | wb qwerty12_N800 |
| 18:33.27 | qwerty12_N800 | hi FireFox3 |
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| 18:37.53 | RST38h | moos gleefully |
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| 18:46.09 | GeneralAntilles | I will laugh so hard if Nokia ships before the Pandora. |
| 18:46.22 | FireFox3 | hehe |
| 18:46.53 | qwerty12_N800 | Pandora shipping? In another world... :) |
| 18:47.44 | GeneralAntilles | In the 7th dimension. |
| 18:48.04 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe |
| 18:48.04 | FireFox3 | lol |
| 18:48.18 | GeneralAntilles | I'll laugh even harder if they ship it and the damn things fall to pieces. |
| 18:48.26 | fireun | buckaroo bonzai |
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| 18:48.52 | FireFox3 | in a parallel universe |
| 18:49.07 | FireFox3 | lol |
| 18:49.47 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I'd put a fiver on Nokia shipping first now |
| 18:50.09 | qwerty12_N800 | has an itch for an WinMo phone after playing with my sister's Xperia X1. Shame MS's bluetooth stack sucks balls |
| 18:50.24 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, yeah, it seems likely. |
| 18:50.30 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, get a life. |
| 18:50.35 | RST38h | qwerty: WinMo is pure horror. Avoid. |
| 18:50.47 | GeneralAntilles | chuckles at qwerty12_N800 picking the Bluetooth stack of all things. |
| 18:50.49 | FireFox3 | qwerty12_n800: bad idea |
| 18:51.43 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, it's just the unfed gadget addiction talking. |
| 18:51.50 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, wait for Nokia to get you a real fix. :P |
| 18:52.02 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: sorry, was an avid winmo user before I had a tablet :p |
| 18:52.19 | RST38h | qwerty: My condolences =) |
| 18:52.30 | qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles: yeah, I'll see if the next device is the shit :p |
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| 18:52.56 | FireFox3 | allmost bough a ipod touch before he bough his N800, thank god i didn't buy thr ipod touch XD |
| 18:53.18 | FireFox3 | *the |
| 18:53.44 | FireFox3 | *bought :P |
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| 18:58.14 | b-man | hello, Meizirkki :) |
| 18:58.19 | b-man | wonders why no one has botherd packaging the murrine configuration editor, ti should not be too hard to do :P |
| 18:58.45 | b-man | hates his keyboard today :P |
| 18:59.19 | Meizirkki | b-man, hi :P |
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| 19:04.30 | Meizirkki | Does Mers first-boot-wizard store username in some file??? |
| 19:08.12 | Meizirkki | or, is there any file that all usernames are stored? |
| 19:10.21 | slonopotamus | Meizirkki, /etc/passwd? |
| 19:11.10 | Meizirkki | thanks :) |
| 19:11.57 | _Brian_ | wonders whare Stskeeps is :P |
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| 19:23.26 | GeneralAntilles | lardman|gone, the Halo Wars box has a barcode for mobile phones on it. |
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| 19:39.20 | lcukx41 | ~lart windowsxp |
| 19:39.20 | infobot | gets a hotmal account and SPAMs windowsxp |
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| 19:41.49 | lbt | GeneralAntilles: I forgot why I pinged you - possibly to ask about Qt and extras-devel.... |
| 19:43.02 | lbt | Oh yes - do you have an 800 or an 810? lcuk is having keyboard problems and I wondered if you were too |
| 19:43.33 | lbt | oh, and do you have the xrandr kernel installed? |
| 19:43.33 | lcukx41 | lol im having a different keyboard problem, jake just got hold of my desktop again |
| 19:43.41 | lbt | heh |
| 19:44.00 | lbt | I'll be back in a bit - got to beat the wife |
| 19:44.04 | lbt | at wii tennis |
| 19:44.21 | lcukx41 | heh |
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| 19:54.41 | Jaffa | lby: esddup? |
| 19:54.46 | Jaffa | lbt: wassup? |
| 19:55.22 | Jaffa | (with extras-devel and qt) |
| 19:55.28 | timelE61i | hello world |
| 19:55.34 | Jaffa | lo timelE61i |
| 19:56.33 | lcukx41 | jaffa, i installed shopper on my 810, but clicking new gave me ONLY numerics and "£$£$^$% type characters |
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| 19:59.42 | timelE61i | bTw, why did shopper spam community? |
| 20:00.11 | lcukx41 | spam? it was an announcment from the community to the community i thought |
| 20:01.01 | timelE61i | should each app do that? |
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| 20:04.01 | lcukx41 | timelE61i upto community members depending on if its listened to or not |
| 20:04.09 | lcukx41 | ie their choice |
| 20:05.04 | lcukx41 | surely more traffic to a community discussion mailing list which is NOT about bitching and moaning is a good thing |
| 20:05.37 | timelE61i | heh |
| 20:06.06 | timelE61i | i suppose it could be worse |
| 20:06.40 | timelE61i | Mozilla dev planning has people complaining that the firefox after 3.0 will be 3.5 instead of 3:1 |
| 20:06.52 | sp3000 | we could have a flamewar about announcements :P |
| 20:07.05 | timelE61i | imagines maemo people insisting maemo 5.0 should be 4.2 |
| 20:08.16 | timelE61i | sp3000: btw, we've been asked to do daily reporting |
| 20:08.27 | sp3000 | oh joy |
| 20:08.37 | timelE61i | Predicting using our tea leave reading skills all the bugs we'll fix that day |
| 20:09.27 | timelE61i | So i suggest you buy some tea leaves and get some practice time in |
| 20:09.39 | sp3000 | me fix bugs? :P |
| 20:10.01 | timelE61i | The requirement was for everyone :) |
| 20:10.08 | timelE61i | fixed one bug for the week |
| 20:10.24 | sp3000 | grumbles |
| 20:10.30 | sp3000 | I should get a new chair |
| 20:10.32 | lcukx41 | gah timeless, you could just put yourself on 1 simple one per day but constantly do more than you say and gain a rep as a superman! |
| 20:10.35 | lcukx41 | lol |
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| 20:11.01 | derf | Start with, "Today I will dork around on the internet." |
| 20:11.12 | timelE61i | sp3000, i didn't know you were a good chair thrower |
| 20:11.23 | RST38h | Anyone wants to test the new AT85? |
| 20:11.36 | sp3000 | this one feels like an irc rofl will turn into a real rofl all of a sudden at some point |
| 20:11.41 | RST38h | (still missing faceplates for TI82 and TI83+, so it is not going to extras yet) |
| 20:11.46 | timelE61i | Lcuk: we predict we'll spend all day predicting instead of getting work done |
| 20:12.12 | lcukx41 | yeah sounds like policy in some places ive worked |
| 20:12.23 | derf | Why is it missing faceplates? |
| 20:12.37 | sp3000 | well, you just need to apply more buzwords |
| 20:12.39 | derf | Just haven't gotten to them yet, or...? |
| 20:12.45 | sp3000 | timebox the predicting! :D |
| 20:12.47 | RST38h | derf: Wazd is doing the faceplates and I am afraid he is out of town for the long weekend |
| 20:12.47 | lcukx41 | faceplate designer has gone awol lol |
| 20:12.51 | sp3000 | buzz even |
| 20:12.53 | derf | Ah, okay. |
| 20:13.05 | timelE61i | sp3000: well, i finished my arch doc on friday |
| 20:13.07 | sp3000 | suggests a timebox of 20 seconds |
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| 20:13.27 | timelE61i | Qa complained it had too many buzzwords in the first paragraph |
| 20:13.38 | timelE61i | Something about html/xhtml useragent |
| 20:14.12 | Stskeeps | how can you avoid buzzwords in a browser arch doc? :P |
| 20:14.14 | lcukx41 | easy, make up your new ones |
| 20:14.27 | sp3000 | idly wonders what a facepalmtree looks like |
| 20:14.35 | lcukx41 | lol |
| 20:15.00 | timelE61i | sts: by saving everyone time by not writing/having one |
| 20:15.02 | sp3000 | oddly, google image search fails me |
| 20:15.12 | timelE61i | It's not like anyone will read it |
| 20:15.44 | timelE61i | Sadly, one of our engineers said he could have used it when he first arrived |
| 20:15.57 | Stskeeps | i'd love to see the spec doc on hn-app-switcher.c, especially since i can't make heads or tails of it.. |
| 20:16.33 | lcukx41 | does it work on device now |
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| 20:16.45 | Stskeeps | goes dive back into it |
| 20:16.47 | lbt | Jaffa: Qt is (apparently) in extras-devel but shopper (in extras) depends on it... |
| 20:17.18 | lbt | timelE61i: what I can't market my product with an ANNOUNCE ;) |
| 20:17.48 | timelE61i | If it doesn't work out of the box? |
| 20:17.50 | timelE61i | No ;) |
| 20:17.59 | lbt | which box? |
| 20:18.03 | timelE61i | But i think you want -announce@ |
| 20:18.12 | suihkulokki | wonders when the word "facepalm" slipped into common use |
| 20:18.18 | lbt | wasn't aware of an -announce |
| 20:18.30 | Stskeeps | lcukx41: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-dropdownapps.png |
| 20:18.34 | timelE61i | you could make one :) |
| 20:18.41 | derf | suihkulokki: About 3 years ago? |
| 20:18.57 | lbt | I just merged it into community |
| 20:19.37 | timelE61i | Derf: i think it was older |
| 20:19.37 | derf | It has existed for longer, sure. |
| 20:19.37 | derf | But he said "common". |
| 20:19.37 | lbt | Stskeeps: it's looking really really good :) |
| 20:19.44 | timelE61i | sTs: i'm assuming that file is a stub |
| 20:19.46 | lcukx41 | lbt, im surprised the extras promotion let your app thorough since its deps are not available from extras |
| 20:19.49 | Stskeeps | lbt: i'm not at all happy with the code i had to manipulate to get that working though |
| 20:20.07 | lcukx41 | Stskeeps: yeah agree with lbt :) |
| 20:20.11 | lbt | lcukx41: I agree - I'm not happy |
| 20:20.14 | Stskeeps | timelE61i: well, this particular interface is just functionality, artwork is when i grab wazd |
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| 20:20.38 | timelE61i | Yeah please file a bug against promoter |
| 20:20.43 | timelE61i | It's clearly broken |
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| 20:20.53 | Stskeeps | timelE61i: this is hildon-desktop non-fremantle, multitasking isn't in fremantle just yet |
| 20:21.00 | lbt | Stskeeps: OK where's Mer at? what's the best way to help? Porting things? testing things? |
| 20:21.01 | lcukx41 | lbt, its something that we should get solved asap because if others start adding randomly to -devel it causes problems |
| 20:21.12 | Stskeeps | lbt: grab a vmdk and start playing, really |
| 20:21.23 | Stskeeps | timelE61i: namespace clash, sorry :) |
| 20:22.04 | lbt | vmdk.... not scratchbox? |
| 20:22.10 | timelE61i | sbox=evil |
| 20:22.11 | Meizirkki | lbt: make a "tablet-gdm", that shows a user list and doesn't ask for a password :P |
| 20:22.20 | Meizirkki | just a suggestion |
| 20:22.35 | Meizirkki | it would be good for n800 users ;) |
| 20:22.37 | Stskeeps | lbt: correct, mer on x86 is practically the same as on tablet.. scratchbox is just a cross-compilation accelerator |
| 20:22.43 | Stskeeps | you could also compile natively |
| 20:23.12 | Stskeeps | our builders go x86 (has to compile) -> scratchbox (do an accelerated build if possible) -> native armel (if sb failed) |
| 20:23.54 | Stskeeps | so if you implement some feature or whatever on the vmdk, it most likely is buildable on tablet too |
| 20:23.56 | lbt | start here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Sprints ? |
| 20:24.33 | Stskeeps | i'd start out by grabbing a vmdk really and trying it out, and then if it fits your ideas of a sane system to start helping out with, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/People and then the sprints :) |
| 20:24.47 | Stskeeps | vmdk can run in virtualbox & vmware, and we provide raw images for the rest |
| 20:24.54 | Stskeeps | vmdk = the -actual- mer system |
| 20:25.31 | lbt | I was/am actually looking for a vmdk link... |
| 20:25.56 | lbt | get the release 0.9 one? |
| 20:26.10 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 20:26.17 | Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.9#Generic_x86_-_VMDK_.28VMware_disk_image.29 |
| 20:27.02 | Stskeeps | it helps a lot on development you can practically test it right away on the actual system :P |
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| 20:30.48 | lbt | alright - I'll start dl'ing and setting up... |
| 20:30.49 | lbt | cheers |
| 20:31.14 | timelE61i | setup? Double click |
| 20:31.37 | lbt | double click - just higlights a word |
| 20:32.18 | timelE61i | you need xmlterm :) |
| 20:32.32 | lbt | right now I'm on a vanilla kernel and don't have vmware or virtualbox... |
| 20:32.38 | timelE61i | Sp3000, ever used it? |
| 20:32.56 | lbt | I run xen on another machine but that isn't ideal |
| 20:33.02 | sp3000 | for several minutes, a few years ago |
| 20:33.03 | lcukx41 | lbt, it installs on device almost painlessly, ive even managed it/1 |
| 20:33.05 | lcukx41 | !!! |
| 20:33.20 | timelE61i | heh |
| 20:33.40 | lbt | even though I've got a hacked bootmenu? |
| 20:33.54 | lcukx41 | oooer then if you already hacked that you should know lol |
| 20:34.40 | lbt | yeah - I forgot ... it's the alzhei oooh pretty..... hey - Mer looks cool |
| 20:34.46 | timelE61i | people seem to like virtualbox... |
| 20:35.09 | timelE61i | practices stair climbing |
| 20:35.15 | qwerty12_N800 | a vmware person |
| 20:35.26 | lbt | a debian person |
| 20:35.40 | timelE61i | grumbles |
| 20:35.55 | qwerty12_N800 | a ms-dos person |
| 20:35.55 | timelE61i | debian hurt my xen prospects |
| 20:36.06 | lbt | ? I run xen on debian |
| 20:36.17 | lbt | I run xen *because* of debian |
| 20:36.27 | timelE61i | wants to run debian on xen |
| 20:36.40 | lbt | I do that - it's easy |
| 20:37.33 | lbt | you need 2.6.26-1-xen-686 |
| 20:37.39 | timelE61i | pv? |
| 20:37.45 | lbt | yes |
| 20:37.53 | lbt | :D |
| 20:38.23 | timelE61i | Wanna walk me through it some time? |
| 20:38.40 | lbt | http://pastebin.com/d79b5af9a |
| 20:38.42 | lbt | sure |
| 20:39.16 | lbt | to make life easy prep some lvm2 space |
| 20:40.03 | timelE61i | Um host =snv107 iirc |
| 20:40.14 | lbt | oh - that pastebin is from when I ran 2.6.2 |
| 20:40.20 | lbt | 2.6.18 |
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| 20:40.36 | timelE61i | So the store is zfs... |
| 20:40.47 | timeless | tries to stop using the phone |
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| 20:47.36 | Stskeeps | hehe |
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| 20:51.39 | lbt | qwerty12_N800: I don't think bora has libgtkmm - where's the bora pool? |
| 20:54.02 | qwerty12_N800 | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/bora/ |
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| 20:57.06 | lbt | facepalms |
| 20:58.20 | lbt | nah - there's no gtkmm in there ... |
| 20:59.04 | lbt | Sorry Myrtti - looks like we'll need Qt on Mer on 770 |
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| 21:01.40 | Myrtti | lbt: ok, I'll just wait until I get my hands on my n800 and enjoy |
| 21:02.20 | lbt | don't forget you'll need extras-devel accessible in order to get Qt |
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| 21:07.09 | RST38h | ehlo, Myrtti |
| 21:10.06 | Stskeeps | i think after spending a couple of hours together with GTK, i actually want to learn Qt. |
| 21:10.24 | Myrtti | RST38h: ack |
| 21:11.45 | lbt | Stskeeps: I spent a long time learning gtk for shopper and binned it :) IMHO it's not a decision you'll regret |
| 21:15.45 | lcuk | david, your experiences with gtk and qt do make a compelling case for switching. |
| 21:16.24 | lcuk | lbt, what was your biggest problem with gtk though |
| 21:17.11 | lbt | it wasn't as well designed, the docs were poor and there was no-one to help |
| 21:17.24 | lbt | that's for C++ |
| 21:17.49 | lbt | I wrote a few lines of C based gtk and went to find alcohol |
| 21:17.58 | lbt | and I'm almost teetotal ! |
| 21:17.59 | Stskeeps | ah, so that's what that feeling is |
| 21:18.00 | lcuk | +1 lol |
| 21:18.40 | lbt | gtk per se *isn't* bad |
| 21:18.52 | lbt | the wrappings let it down for mw |
| 21:18.53 | lbt | me |
| 21:19.21 | lbt | when I converted my gtk app to Qt I almost did a text replace on the functions |
| 21:19.27 | lbt | they are eerily similar |
| 21:19.30 | lcuk | i can see how that would be |
| 21:19.49 | lbt | however - all the "this hack 'cos this doesn't work" bits |
| 21:19.51 | lcuk | isn't vala geared around giving the c++ style coding but also giving gtk at your fingertips |
| 21:19.53 | lbt | were commented out :) |
| 21:20.12 | lcuk | heh, thats not the widget set, thats your mind :P |
| 21:20.40 | lbt | nah - there were some genuine gtk bugs that I hit too easily |
| 21:20.44 | lcuk | Jaffa, am i right about vala being geared towards gtk and gobject in general? |
| 21:20.59 | lbt | heck - helloworld shouldn't find bugs in a toolkit! |
| 21:21.02 | lcuk | lol |
| 21:21.35 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, tracy FINALLY has a rebuilt computer btw |
| 21:21.55 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe :) |
| 21:22.51 | lcuk | i ended up physically installing xp on it first then wiping all files and replacing with hers (cos no matter what i couldnt get the mbr/boot sector working) |
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| 21:23.55 | lcuk | lbt, would you consider hacking at the default widgets to give touch fingerability to be easier than making new/subclassing alternatives? |
| 21:24.09 | qwerty12_N800 | was this the computer that wouldn't run much? |
| 21:24.25 | lcuk | its the computer that runs sims perfectly |
| 21:24.34 | qwerty12_N800 | ah |
| 21:24.41 | woglinde | jo |
| 21:24.46 | lcuk | its the answer to everyones prayers, cos there is not enough windows to be hacked |
| 21:24.47 | lbt | depends what you mean |
| 21:24.49 | lbt | size? |
| 21:25.00 | lcuk | gestures kinetics etc |
| 21:25.07 | lcuk | size is style based |
| 21:25.18 | lbt | http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/qapplication.html#globalStrut-prop |
| 21:25.47 | woglinde | qt kinetcs will be part of qt release in 4.6 or so |
| 21:25.57 | woglinde | animationframework too |
| 21:26.01 | lbt | oh - Stskeeps you ought to skim the Qt docs - you'll cream yourself... |
| 21:26.04 | lcuk | size doesnt really bother me, ill have to look more closely but the thought of just using the default widgets but with a touch basis would be nice |
| 21:26.26 | lcuk | however the default events fire incorrectly for lists etc (ie you get the click instead of it moving the list) |
| 21:26.26 | lbt | woglinde: you do Qt don't you... |
| 21:26.40 | woglinde | lbt I read the blogs |
| 21:26.52 | lbt | oh, OK |
| 21:27.05 | lbt | I was looking for info about Qt 4.4 and extras |
| 21:27.11 | woglinde | lbt hm? |
| 21:27.19 | lcuk | i think its gnutons domain |
| 21:27.25 | woglinde | lcuk jupp |
| 21:27.41 | woglinde | in the diablo extras-devel is qt4.5 now |
| 21:27.44 | lbt | I've been a bit embarassed - I released shopper to extras only to find the dependencies are in extras-devel |
| 21:28.05 | lbt | <blush> |
| 21:28.11 | lcuk | lbt, and i had to enable it to get it on, btw 7mb for the install was reasonable |
| 21:28.14 | woglinde | and after mysql hitting the repo too you have the qt-sql driver for it too |
| 21:28.35 | lbt | I really must get back to porting ldap |
| 21:28.50 | lcuk | i always thought a widget toolkit should use libraries where possible, why does qt need complete internal versions thereof |
| 21:29.14 | lbt | they're multi-platform |
| 21:29.15 | lcuk | ie webkit sqlite etc |
| 21:29.18 | woglinde | lcuk hm? |
| 21:29.27 | lcuk | lbt, the libraries are as well |
| 21:29.40 | lcuk | ie just makes the footprint larger for your apps |
| 21:29.41 | lbt | not always |
| 21:29.43 | woglinde | webkit team is part of formerly know trolltech |
| 21:30.00 | woglinde | lcuk abstraction |
| 21:30.01 | lcuk | woglinde, ahh |
| 21:30.18 | woglinde | you have a well definied way in qt how to access sql stuff |
| 21:30.21 | lbt | back to the widgets - if you want the behaviour to be different then yes, you need to subclass |
| 21:30.30 | woglinde | so you can change the backend as you want |
| 21:30.30 | lcuk | woglinde, surely they can have their own wrappers (like i do) |
| 21:30.33 | woglinde | I guess |
| 21:30.39 | lbt | but I think there's a fair effort to make it touchable |
| 21:31.05 | lcuk | i understand it from one perspective, but from another it doesnt help |
| 21:32.08 | lcuk | ie if sqlite needs bugfixes, and i update libsqlite on my machine it should fix all apps using sqlite, but in qt's case it doesnt |
| 21:32.31 | lbt | are you sure? |
| 21:32.37 | lbt | what OS? |
| 21:32.47 | lcuk | from that i gathered i might be wrong on the specific but its what ive heard |
| 21:33.00 | lcuk | factchecks |
| 21:33.05 | woglinde | hm |
| 21:33.07 | woglinde | depends |
| 21:33.18 | woglinde | you might have to relink other apps too |
| 21:33.19 | lbt | in general it would use the shared library |
| 21:33.25 | woglinde | jupp |
| 21:33.35 | lbt | it's pretty rare to be statically linked |
| 21:33.35 | lcuk | is it just webkit then that im mixing up?> |
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| 21:33.50 | lbt | maybe - that's a bit special |
| 21:34.18 | lbt | I could excuse that it needs to be hacked to fit into a completely alien gui framework |
| 21:34.19 | woglinde | lcuk you have to have in mind that there are serval firms which bought a commercial license from qt and dont know much about linux stuff |
| 21:34.20 | lcuk | heh, sounds like a microsoft excuse for internet explorer ;) |
| 21:34.36 | woglinde | for them they have packed the picture libs and sql inside |
| 21:35.05 | lcuk | woglinde, im just pondering out loud, as i said i can see both sides |
| 21:35.36 | lcuk | i would just love to have qt baseline - which is the core widgets themselves |
| 21:35.54 | lbt | timelE61i: oh virtualbox is up and looking pretty ... waiting for the vdk now... |
| 21:35.59 | woglinde | and I think qt is a great toolkit |
| 21:36.15 | lcuk | i agree woglinde |
| 21:36.40 | lcuk | writes some drunken code |
| 21:36.40 | lbt | lcuk: don't forget you can write Qt apps and have them run native on 'the other thing' |
| 21:36.41 | woglinde | lcuk hm but it is capsulated a lot |
| 21:36.52 | woglinde | you dont need a whole .net framework |
| 21:37.14 | lcuk | heh woglinde, i have the same issues with that |
| 21:37.56 | woglinde | so time for another epsidode of one piece |
| 21:38.19 | lcuk | yeah lbt, thats a REAL benefit of qt, but when you tell businesses it does that, they write a big complex windows app and complain when it doesnt run on something smaller |
| 21:38.33 | lcuk | prefers to scale upwards |
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| 21:41.58 | dick-richardson | can someone ls -lha on the symlink in the home directory? |
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| 21:47.18 | timeless | lbt: so um... are those 10. addresses magical for xen? |
| 21:48.28 | timeless | wow, i had a 'repair wifi' dialog from wXP which got stuck, and it prevented my laptop from suspending |
| 21:49.23 | Stskeeps | i kinda think it's sad that Nokia seems to be the only ones who have gotten a internet connection daemon which actually seems fairly sane.. :P |
| 21:49.59 | lbt | timeless no, my LAN is 10.0.0.1/24 |
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| 21:51.31 | lbt | Stskeeps: Mer1 is alive - that was actually too easy (once I'd compiled an installed a virtual machine kernel driver for my running kernel without rebooting - god I love linux... no, "please restart now" crap!!) |
| 21:51.50 | woglinde | kvm? |
| 21:51.59 | lbt | virtualbox |
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| 21:53.00 | Stskeeps | lbt: neato :) |
| 21:53.13 | lbt | yeah - now, where's the code!! |
| 21:53.26 | lbt | unless timeless wants to play with Xen? |
| 21:53.30 | Stskeeps | hehe, all around :P code.launchpad.net/m-r is a start |
| 21:53.53 | lbt | oh my deity |
| 21:54.13 | lbt | are you using a build system like, erm... |
| 21:54.37 | lbt | handhelds.org |
| 21:54.38 | lbt | erm |
| 21:54.51 | woglinde | you mean oe |
| 21:54.57 | Stskeeps | basically they're debian source packages all of them, and we have an imager of sorts that generate the various OS'es.. |
| 21:55.20 | lbt | openembedded |
| 21:55.22 | lbt | oe |
| 21:55.40 | Stskeeps | so we build them like debian packages should be built, dpkg-buildpackage and upload to a repo ;) |
| 21:55.53 | lbt | yep - oe is a meta build system |
| 21:55.54 | Stskeeps | that approach does have problems but it works |
| 21:56.08 | lbt | it runs dpkg-build on all the sources... |
| 21:56.10 | lbt | IIRC |
| 21:56.16 | lbt | but you're not and that's OK |
| 21:56.19 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 21:56.35 | Stskeeps | we pin on top of ubuntu so it makes it difficult |
| 21:57.05 | lbt | you have seen it though : http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php/Main_Page |
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| 21:57.55 | Stskeeps | i figured if we were going to use OE or anything we might as well be doing Mamona :P |
| 21:58.08 | woglinde | maona is based on oe |
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| 21:58.15 | lbt | I only know it from my openzaurus days |
| 21:59.55 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 22:00.24 | Stskeeps | we have a .. homemade builder infrastructure which is basically an amateurish pbuilder and a scratchbox builder |
| 22:01.07 | lbt | would it be a good idea to start moving to a more scalable thing like mamona/oe? or isn't that a useful discussion yet? |
| 22:01.46 | lbt | when I last used oe I typed 'oe build' and a few days later got a full distro - kinda like gentoo but grown-up :) |
| 22:03.01 | lbt | anyhoo - my virtualbox only just booted so it's a bit premature.. <grin> |
| 22:03.02 | Stskeeps | yeah, well, we are closer to debian for the fact most of maemo is debian package based :) |
| 22:03.25 | Stskeeps | so, that's just a choice |
| 22:03.47 | Stskeeps | gentoo has some advantages and debian has some, so |
| 22:04.06 | Stskeeps | and i would say debian packages and building them is quite scalable :P |
| 22:04.08 | lbt | yeah - I'm just being confused about usind the oe buildsystem to build a set of debian packages - not sure it makes sense or even does that |
| 22:04.41 | lbt | ignore me for a bit whilst I get my head round things :) |
| 22:04.46 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 22:06.09 | RST38h | Is it true that GIMP does not let users draw rectangles, circles etc? I cannot find these anywhere in the menus |
| 22:07.27 | Stskeeps | RST38h: the GNU hive mind does not believe in rectangles and circles |
| 22:08.28 | lbt | RST38h: select a circle/elipse |
| 22:08.37 | lbt | click select-to-path |
| 22:08.42 | lbt | stroke-path |
| 22:08.59 | lbt | it's just too powerful for the mortal mind |
| 22:09.59 | lbt | however inkscape is pretty damned hot too if you want mere geometry |
| 22:10.18 | lbt | (witness the awesome Shopper logo!) |
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| 22:13.31 | RST38h | lbt: Ah! Thanks! |
| 22:13.53 | RST38h | Sts: lbt is right - this thing is way too powerful to be usable |
| 22:13.59 | lbt | oops - Mer captured my mouse |
| 22:14.19 | lbt | once you get used to how it works it's very nice :) |
| 22:14.25 | woglinde | hi rst |
| 22:14.31 | lbt | but for 'drawing'... |
| 22:14.36 | lbt | have you tried Xara? |
| 22:16.14 | GAN800 | lbt, no N810, no rotation atm. |
| 22:16.41 | lbt | GAN800: OK - I need more testers then ;) |
| 22:16.44 | Stskeeps | GAN800: poll, SSU, possible raging fit, btw.. |
| 22:18.29 | dick-richardson | can I talk someone into running ls -lha in ~/ and telling me what the symlink is? I removed mine and would like it back. |
| 22:19.40 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, raging fit? |
| 22:20.15 | Stskeeps | GAN800: well, ok, maybe a bit exagratted :) but sounds a bit like no more SSUs? |
| 22:20.23 | Stskeeps | (sp) |
| 22:20.55 | lbt | dick-richardson: ? |
| 22:21.02 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, yeah, well, I'm launching a frontal assault on Nokia HQ, so they better watch the fuck out. |
| 22:21.55 | lbt | GAN800: anything to do with the rotation bug comments... ? |
| 22:21.55 | dick-richardson | lbt, there's a symlink in user's home directory that affects UI (hiding the mouse pointer, etc.)...I removed mine for some reason weeks ago and would like it back |
| 22:22.40 | lbt | .icons -> /usr/share/user-icons is the only symlink I have there |
| 22:22.47 | Stskeeps | GAN800: mm |
| 22:23.21 | dick-richardson | that's the one. :) |
| 22:23.21 | Stskeeps | goes back to hn-app-switcher.c and hn-app-button.c |
| 22:23.21 | lbt | :) |
| 22:23.21 | dick-richardson | you're good people, lbt |
| 22:23.21 | lbt | we aim to please |
| 22:23.27 | dick-richardson | can I get the owner and permissions on it? |
| 22:23.44 | lbt | only if you promise to download Shopper and test it for me! |
| 22:23.54 | dick-richardson | fair enough |
| 22:24.05 | lbt | symlinks don't have owner/perms |
| 22:24.13 | lbt | so root/root is OK |
| 22:24.31 | lbt | and they appear as lrwxrwxrwx |
| 22:24.36 | lbt | (AFAIUI) |
| 22:25.14 | dick-richardson | :) you gotta link to shopper? |
| 22:25.32 | GAN800 | Seriously, Stskeeps, we didn't go through all that categories bullshit to have Nokia assrape us like this. |
| 22:25.41 | lbt | as it happens... http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/shopper/ |
| 22:25.52 | lbt | you need extras-devel though |
| 22:25.55 | lbt | for Qt |
| 22:25.57 | dick-richardson | already got it |
| 22:26.11 | lbt | cool ;) |
| 22:26.29 | lbt | GAN800: where are you getting this? |
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| 22:27.02 | GAN800 | lbt, Mara said no more SSU's. |
| 22:27.50 | lbt | where? - just looking for the source to save you repeating it :) |
| 22:28.11 | GAN800 | Which means no new package categories for Diablo, which means I'm going to start killing people. |
| 22:28.17 | GAN800 | lbt, itT. |
| 22:28.22 | lbt | OK |
| 22:28.37 | Stskeeps | GAN800: mm, nothing i was directly involved in, but it is the danger of vendor-controlled OS'es |
| 22:28.41 | GAN800 | is too lazy to open the browser and copy/paste the URL on a tablet. |
| 22:28.48 | lbt | 's OK |
| 22:29.00 | lbt | I just dl'ed Mer.... |
| 22:29.02 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, doesn't matter, they're still getting hell for it. |
| 22:29.20 | lbt | (those statements were not connected BTW) |
| 22:29.36 | Stskeeps | lbt: http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27348&highlight=ssu |
| 22:30.20 | GAN800 | Seriously, it's not like they didn't have time to integrate it and it's not like we didn't do all they goddamn work. |
| 22:31.06 | GAN800 | They are __NOT__ going to fragment us like this because they're too lazy to ship one more goddamn update. |
| 22:31.56 | lbt | I could point out that there's a major credit crunch on at the moment and this could not be the best timing on either side... |
| 22:32.19 | lbt | I do hear what you say though |
| 22:33.25 | GAN800 | lbt, not flying here. :) |
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| 22:33.49 | lbt | it may (or may not be) a factor |
| 22:33.57 | dick-richardson | couldn't that work be applied in rx-<next_version_to_be_released_with_new_hardware>? |
| 22:34.24 | lbt | if it supports N8x0 ? |
| 22:34.39 | dick-richardson | well, yeah |
| 22:35.05 | dick-richardson | or in the back-ported version that is |
| 22:35.19 | lbt | someone was on earlier trying to run my apps on her N770 |
| 22:35.22 | dick-richardson | or is Mer it? |
| 22:35.28 | lbt | my Diablo app |
| 22:35.31 | GAN800 | We can't ship two separate sets of categories for Diablo and Fremantle. |
| 22:39.31 | lcuk | 3 if mer has to stand alone :P |
| 22:39.36 | dick-richardson | damnit my wife already left. I was gonna have her test your app, lbt |
| 22:40.09 | lbt | heh - no worries |
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| 22:49.06 | lbt | Stskeeps: so how do I setup a/the builder? |
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| 22:56.45 | woglinde | good nite |
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| 23:07.07 | lbt | Stskeeps: basically I need to be able to run or fool ./configure |
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