| 00:00.09 | Macer | haha |
| 00:00.27 | lcuk | neatojones, it rebooted my tablet once |
| 00:00.31 | Macer | ugh. i need to start installing debian on this goddamn beast of a computer |
| 00:00.32 | lcuk | and crashed the app the other times |
| 00:00.37 | Macer | but taking it down is going to be a pain |
| 00:00.40 | bef0rd | lcuk, yea, thanks! I think about it more like a way to use those drawings in other applications heh, maybe printing them when needed |
| 00:01.55 | lcuk | well bef0rd i *know* pdf has lines (i once wrote a pdf export tool for work), its just me not having enough fingers to catch up with what i want to achieve |
| 00:02.19 | Macer | i need to find some fast socket 940 cpus |
| 00:02.32 | lcuk | curses the dev direction he took sometimes |
| 00:02.37 | Macer | too bad newegg only has 2.6GHz ones |
| 00:02.42 | lcuk | but its been an interesting year |
| 00:02.43 | Macer | i wanted 2.8 if i could find them |
| 00:03.26 | lcuk | is bluemaemo a remote control app or a keyboard sim? |
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| 00:03.52 | Macer | does mer still have 2 menus? |
| 00:04.35 | lcuk | 2 menus? |
| 00:04.38 | lcuk | for what? |
| 00:04.45 | lcuk | i installed it the other night |
| 00:04.48 | Macer | last i tried it |
| 00:04.52 | Macer | i was getting 2 app menus :) |
| 00:05.00 | Macer | was just wondering if that was fixed |
| 00:05.12 | lcuk | i only noticed one? |
| 00:05.21 | Macer | hm..well.. i had 2 :) |
| 00:05.29 | Macer | Sts said it was a known problem |
| 00:05.54 | lcuk | ask him tomorrow then |
| 00:06.07 | lcuk | someone else migth know tho |
| 00:06.23 | Macer | heh.. ok.. i'm off to lie down |
| 00:06.27 | lcuk | i couldnt get very far with it though because i couldnt get onto wifi :$ |
| 00:06.39 | Macer | the wifi worked |
| 00:07.00 | Macer | it was very nice to tell you the truth.. but that double menu thing it had going on was going to drive me nuts |
| 00:07.04 | Macer | heh |
| 00:07.08 | Macer | later |
| 00:07.08 | lcuk | i use adhoc and needed to put additional settings in |
| 00:07.12 | lcuk | gnite |
| 00:11.16 | neatojones | the double menu occurs if you try changing the menu settings |
| 00:12.13 | neatojones | It annoyed me too, so I just reinstalled Mer and then avoided the menu settings |
| 00:15.06 | b-man | neatojones: do you mind if i add your e17 package to the ubuntu repo? :) |
| 00:15.40 | neatojones | yeah. But, I'm actually making real install debs right now. They might be better |
| 00:15.55 | b-man | k |
| 00:16.25 | neatojones | that package downloads a script that downloads and builds e17 from svn. I'm making actual e17 packages right now that are prebuilt. |
| 00:16.32 | neatojones | the other method takes about 5 hours |
| 00:16.38 | neatojones | ...a little less than ideal |
| 00:16.48 | b-man | hehe |
| 00:19.00 | neatojones | It'll be a while before they are done. I did an update just prior and it's rebuilding with the latest from svn. |
| 00:19.34 | b-man | your building the whole env? |
| 00:19.48 | lcuk | no, hes recoding it from scratch |
| 00:20.04 | b-man | :P |
| 00:20.28 | neatojones | no, just the parts that updated |
| 00:20.53 | neatojones | hopefully, wont' take that long. But, I figured if I was going to make packages, they ought to be the most uptodate first |
| 00:21.55 | neatojones | bye the way. this keyboard IS really neat |
| 00:22.11 | b-man | :) |
| 00:23.24 | bef0rd | picture or it didn't happen |
| 00:26.06 | neatojones | I have screenshot, but I've not had a chance to upload it anywhere. The system is busy building packages. |
| 00:26.20 | neatojones | really hard to explain anyway... |
| 00:26.52 | neatojones | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DL4UVm0LRY |
| 00:26.59 | neatojones | (not my video, but it sort of explains it. |
| 00:27.57 | bef0rd | sexy |
| 00:28.02 | lcuk | do people like these popout keys |
| 00:28.03 | bef0rd | but it seems hard to use with fingers |
| 00:28.08 | lcuk | i never liked em so didnt do it lol |
| 00:28.21 | neatojones | it's actually really easy on here. |
| 00:28.28 | neatojones | that's a "terminal" keyboard |
| 00:28.32 | lcuk | bef0rd, it does adjacent tap tracking thing |
| 00:28.32 | bef0rd | oh, that's an openmoko |
| 00:28.35 | neatojones | the normal one has much larger letters |
| 00:28.39 | bef0rd | it has smaller screen I think |
| 00:28.43 | b-man | neatojones: wow 0_o |
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| 00:28.50 | neatojones | and if you tap on the screen a magnifier pops up |
| 00:28.58 | neatojones | that shows you the letter you're pressing |
| 00:29.05 | b-man | that's awsome :D |
| 00:29.08 | neatojones | and it has word selection/correction |
| 00:29.26 | neatojones | ...it's hard to explain it all. I may have to make a video |
| 00:29.43 | neatojones | it does some amazing things. |
| 00:29.52 | neatojones | uses gestures too |
| 00:29.59 | neatojones | slide down the keyboard for enter |
| 00:30.06 | neatojones | slide left is backspace...etc |
| 00:31.25 | b-man | does it use mesa? |
| 00:31.31 | neatojones | I'll get the debs out as soon as possible. You'll see it's pretty sweet. |
| 00:31.32 | neatojones | nope |
| 00:31.35 | bef0rd | it looks like edje |
| 00:31.37 | bef0rd | etk |
| 00:31.41 | neatojones | it is. |
| 00:31.48 | b-man | etk? |
| 00:31.50 | neatojones | it's e17 |
| 00:31.57 | bef0rd | enlightenment |
| 00:31.57 | b-man | oh :) |
| 00:32.02 | neatojones | illume is a module for it. |
| 00:32.14 | neatojones | raster claims his loaded with 12MB of RAM/swap total |
| 00:32.38 | neatojones | using Illume |
| 00:32.53 | b-man | nice :) |
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| 00:34.58 | neatojones | but, in order to get the keyboard on N810, you have to tell it to ignore all hardware keyboards. (works fine on N800). So, I need to figure out a better way to do this). |
| 00:35.59 | b-man | hmm |
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| 01:19.50 | qwerty12_N800 | neatojones: http://slexy.org/view/s2Wk91EcgP as the normal user would work |
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| 01:37.05 | Macer | wtf |
| 01:37.08 | pupnik | google has no results for "centipede geyser" :( |
| 01:37.14 | pupnik | ... fixed |
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| 01:54.47 | neatojones | thanks qwerty12_N800 |
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| 02:00.12 | neatojones | I'll put that script with the E17 instructions when I get finished with the packages or eventually make it part of a package. (I was just going to have people make do it on their own.) |
| 02:01.45 | qwerty12_N800 | Cool, glad it helped. :) |
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| 02:08.54 | jaem | hello everybody |
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| 02:19.14 | bef0rd | Hi |
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| 02:56.54 | alex_mayorga | hi, is there a safe way to try android in a n800? |
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| 03:35.01 | neatojones | begins making e17 packages...this is going to take a while |
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| 03:48.52 | Macer | wow |
| 03:48.58 | Macer | debian is absolutely awesome |
| 03:49.03 | Macer | it has been a long time since i used it last |
| 03:49.08 | Macer | but it is....... wow |
| 03:49.09 | Macer | :) |
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| 04:02.10 | ranjith | hi |
| 04:04.16 | ranjith | I am a prefinal year computer science engineering student from kerala/India, interested in open source development. And I would like to participate in this gsoc .. how can i contribute to you if your projects are still open..? |
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| 04:05.45 | GeneralAntilles | ranjith, I don't think we're quite that far along yet. |
| 04:05.51 | GeneralAntilles | ranjith, see http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009 |
| 04:06.06 | GeneralAntilles | VDVsx in here may be able to help, but it looks like he's offline right now. |
| 04:08.33 | neatojones | is still on his first package of 32. (This is REALLY going to take a while) |
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| 04:09.37 | timeless | wonders about the odds of a father and son contributing to the same project |
| 04:15.27 | neatojones | *neatojones is on #2...woohoo! |
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| 04:26.13 | ranjith | GeneralAntilles:sorry for replaying so late.. |
| 04:28.24 | ranjith | GeneralAntilles: I have gone through the link you gave sometimes before But dint get a clear picture of your projects.. I am a little experienced with c and python programming .. And would like to know Can I start studying the existings codes for your projects now..? |
| 04:28.34 | ranjith | or how can i start..? |
| 04:29.04 | GeneralAntilles | ranjith, well, nothing's been finalized yet. |
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| 04:34.33 | GeneralAntilles | ranjith, for now, it may help to familiarize yourself with Maemo as much as possible. |
| 04:42.53 | ranjith | GeneralAntilles: Ok I will try to familiarise myself to maemo as possible.. |
| 04:52.41 | ranjith | I will try to go through the existing projects in maemo and will try to understand the source codes available.. andI hope the mailing lists will be help full to understand the code base.. |
| 04:52.53 | ranjith | any way thank you for your time.. |
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| 05:01.12 | neatojones | hey b-man |
| 05:01.37 | b-man | hello |
| 05:01.39 | b-man | i'm at a party atm :) |
| 05:02.25 | fireun | proof? |
| 05:02.37 | b-man | feels a bit sick - ate too much food ;p |
| 05:02.49 | Macer | damnit |
| 05:02.57 | Macer | does anybody mnow if ufs can be mounted ro in debian? |
| 05:03.02 | Macer | mnow know |
| 05:04.50 | neatojones | b-man the debs for e17 are going slow, but they are building. Who/how should I send them for inclusion in a repo? |
| 05:05.14 | Macer | what a let down |
| 05:05.21 | Macer | i can't believe debian can't mount ufs |
| 05:05.23 | Macer | rw |
| 05:05.50 | b-man | neatojones: you can upload them to a mirror ;) |
| 05:06.08 | b-man | so i can copy them over |
| 05:07.19 | neatojones | at this rate, it may be a couple days. But, I'll try and find a mirror to put them to. |
| 05:08.56 | zakkm | b-man: got ubuntu to boot and all, hate it i did uh lxde but i switched back to maemo ;p |
| 05:08.59 | zakkm | great port though :) |
| 05:09.07 | zakkm | neatojones: your e17 deb didnt work for me |
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| 05:11.49 | neatojones | what failed? deps? |
| 05:12.02 | neatojones | these ones should work better. |
| 05:12.26 | neatojones | that one simply downloads the code and compiles it. |
| 05:12.51 | neatojones | the ones i'm building now are the actual program |
| 05:13.11 | neatojones | *builds |
| 05:13.41 | neatojones | zakkm: give it another try with the next set. |
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| 05:15.36 | zakkm | neatojones: the e17 deb. |
| 05:15.45 | zakkm | probably bad old image ;p |
| 05:16.09 | zakkm | its okay, dont use my nokia anymore, just wanted to try it out, saw your e17 screenshots and im like wow got to try this, hate e17 on desktop though |
| 05:16.18 | neatojones | No, it downloads whatever the current ones are from svn |
| 05:16.42 | neatojones | you'll have to see the new illume module. it's a bit different |
| 05:17.15 | neatojones | like I said, just give me a bit of time to get these done and give it a try then. |
| 05:17.34 | neatojones | should work better. B-man is working on an even simpler way to get it going. |
| 05:17.50 | neatojones | should eventually be pretty automated install/setup |
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| 06:19.05 | geoaxis | hello people, offtopic question : my new n810 NIT's screen is feeling a bit loose on the right side |
| 06:19.34 | geoaxis | it stays in its position while typing , but its irritating |
| 06:20.23 | geoaxis | (i just started noticing it ...hope i wasnt the cause for it..it did suffer some wheat of a jerk a while aago ...no falling though) |
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| 06:21.36 | AStorm | geoaxis: common problem |
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| 06:21.55 | AStorm | screen mounts aren't all that great |
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| 06:27.06 | AStorm | so fast I can't respond. oh well... |
| 06:30.29 | neatojones | geoaxis: Mine is the same way |
| 06:30.34 | neatojones | the right side is looser |
| 06:30.52 | Macer | wow this sucks |
| 06:30.58 | Macer | have to move shit to external hard drives |
| 06:31.07 | Macer | thank god i only got up to 1.5TB on the raid |
| 06:31.08 | Macer | :) |
| 06:31.14 | fireun | eek |
| 06:31.37 | fireun | maybe delete a couple movies? |
| 06:31.42 | Macer | i am ;) |
| 06:31.43 | Macer | haha |
| 06:31.56 | Macer | i'm going to lose a FEW things |
| 06:32.04 | fireun | spring cleaning |
| 06:32.05 | Macer | it's ok tho.. i can just download them later |
| 06:32.10 | Macer | still sucks tho |
| 06:32.17 | Macer | trying to get rid of fbsd on the box and install debian |
| 06:32.20 | fireun | you wont miss em |
| 06:32.20 | Macer | debian is awesome now |
| 06:32.28 | Macer | fireun: yeah... i won't |
| 06:32.40 | Macer | i hardly watch the movies anyways.. but the shows.. i do watch the shows ;) |
| 06:32.47 | Macer | so now i have to move them to external usb drives |
| 06:32.56 | Macer | might as well take a nap while this does this |
| 06:33.03 | Macer | then i have to hook up the other hd and hope it works |
| 06:33.08 | Macer | raid 1 |
| 06:33.16 | fireun | I should never gotten rid of my deadwood collection |
| 06:33.23 | jaem | hello |
| 06:33.25 | Macer | fireun: re-downloding would be easy |
| 06:33.31 | Macer | it still sucks tho.. i'm trying to save as much as i can |
| 06:33.45 | Macer | otherwise i'm going to be burning out my cable modem ;) |
| 06:33.48 | fireun | deleting is faster than copying |
| 06:34.06 | Macer | sure is |
| 06:34.11 | Macer | :) but i can't start from scratch |
| 06:34.18 | Macer | i need to save a few things |
| 06:34.26 | Macer | especially my zimbra stuff |
| 06:34.48 | Macer | this is a harsh move for me considering it's an 8TB file server |
| 06:35.12 | Macer | only thing that doesn't make it so bad is that i only used 1.5TB |
| 06:35.50 | Macer | and i just noticed my shell box is off with the time.. wtf? :) |
| 06:36.11 | Macer | i am trying to install vmware on this thing and eliminate the esx shuttle k45 |
| 06:36.31 | Macer | one of my other shuttle's died so i figured having just normal vmware on a server that is redundant would be a better idea |
| 06:37.30 | Macer | i just hope i can move the esx stuff over without problems in vmware.. which i don't see why i would have problems but you never knwo |
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| 07:34.59 | elliottslaughter | Is this the right place to ask about a redirection problem in scratchbox? |
| 07:47.18 | RST38h | yes. |
| 07:47.28 | RST38h | your chances of getting a useful answer are low though. |
| 07:48.22 | elliottslaughter | I'm trying to run a program which exists outside of scratchbox inside. |
| 07:48.32 | elliottslaughter | But it can't find the program. |
| 07:49.39 | RST38h | it will not |
| 07:49.58 | RST38h | scratchbox1 is completely insulated from the outside filesystem |
| 07:50.14 | RST38h | Use scratchbox2 instead. |
| 07:52.05 | elliottslaughter | About how much work would it be to get the Maemo SDK working on scratchbox 2? |
| 07:52.27 | RST38h | none, it already works |
| 07:52.33 | RST38h | gimme a moment |
| 07:52.38 | elliottslaughter | link? |
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| 07:52.56 | RST38h | http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install.html |
| 07:53.01 | RST38h | heya pupnik |
| 07:54.37 | elliottslaughter | Does this include scratchbox or should I install that first and then the SDK? |
| 07:55.14 | jaem | RST38h: it's you that's working on Almost-TI, right? |
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| 08:06.23 | alex_mayorga | !deblet |
| 08:06.41 | timelE61i | ~deblet |
| 08:06.42 | infobot | it has been said that deblet is http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet |
| 08:06.58 | timelE61i | Alex: note the command char... |
| 08:07.13 | alex_mayorga | note taken |
| 08:08.48 | alex_mayorga | I've just recently got my n800, is there a good podcatcher? |
| 08:10.02 | GeneralAntilles | Canola |
| 08:10.08 | GeneralAntilles | or GPodder if you want lightweight |
| 08:16.02 | RST38h | elliott: it includes sb2 |
| 08:16.10 | RST38h | jaem: Yes, what? |
| 08:17.27 | alex_mayorga | GeneralAntilles, any that can schedule the downloads? |
| 08:17.48 | jaem | just a thought... would it be feasible to allow 180 deg rotation of the calc on-screen? I generally hold my N810 with my hand through the kickstand when using the stylus only, which is convenient for Almost-TI, but left-handed people might have an issue with that |
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| 08:19.04 | RST38h | jaem: not easily possible |
| 08:19.14 | jaem | that's what I figured - I just thought I would check |
| 08:19.17 | neatojones | has built 41 debs tonight and is still going strong... |
| 08:19.26 | RST38h | jaem: the display driver is optimized to draw TI display at the current angle |
| 08:19.28 | jaem | I guess screen roatation takes care of that, in any case |
| 08:19.41 | jaem | that makes sense |
| 08:19.44 | RST38h | I can, of course, rotate the whole thing post factum, but it will waste cpu |
| 08:19.51 | jaem | I do love the program, though |
| 08:20.19 | jaem | is there a deb of a version newer than the 83/5/6 available? |
| 08:20.25 | jaem | or is that not done yet? |
| 08:20.34 | RST38h | extras repo has the latest deb |
| 08:21.36 | RST38h | Still need to do the source code release |
| 08:22.48 | alex_mayorga | any tips for smoother flash playback? |
| 08:23.17 | jaem | alex: if you want to play Flash Video, such as Youtube, use a stand-alone player, such as Canola + Youtube plugin |
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| 08:23.35 | jaem | AFAIK, Vimeo HD is a lost cause, with the N8x0 |
| 08:25.59 | alex_mayorga | so there's no much hope inside the browser then? |
| 08:26.16 | jaem | microB is a bit slow on flash-heavy websites |
| 08:26.34 | jaem | also with really intensive AJAX/JS (try http://nxp.com/ to see what I mean) |
| 08:26.41 | jaem | but it can do most common websites fine |
| 08:26.45 | alex_mayorga | any other options? |
| 08:26.54 | jaem | you might want to check out Tear, which is in development |
| 08:26.55 | jaem | check the forums |
| 08:27.09 | jaem | it's not fully usable yet, but it might work better for some websites |
| 08:27.23 | jaem | what are you trying to view? |
| 08:33.17 | alex_mayorga | youtube like site |
| 08:34.41 | jaem | okay - well, see if you can find a way of downloading the FLV files (I don't know if Greasemonkey works, but there's probably a way that would work on the tablet), and I think MPlayer (in the Extras repo) can play the files |
| 08:34.52 | jaem | that's probably your best bet, if it doesn't play well in the browser |
| 08:35.01 | jaem | I'd help you more, but I'm watching a movie |
| 08:35.35 | jaem | search the forums - there's likely several threads on the topic, and some may be helpful |
| 08:36.04 | alex_mayorga | not in a nit I assume =) |
| 08:36.13 | jaem_afk | well, I did last night |
| 08:36.31 | jaem_afk | but then the fire alarm in my dorm rang, because someone burned their food at 2am, and we all had to evacuate |
| 08:36.35 | alex_mayorga | thanks on the pointers |
| 08:37.02 | jaem_afk | you're welcome ;) If you find a good solution that hasn't been found before, please post it to the forums, so that we may all share in the knowledge ;) |
| 08:37.40 | jaem_afk | wait... hmm... I'm not technically afk, more like away-from-primary monitor |
| 08:37.41 | jaem_afk | lol |
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| 09:39.20 | Stskeeps | morning |
| 09:39.56 | Myrtti | moin |
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| 09:54.15 | hahlo_n800-43-7 | hi, partly broke my system with apt-get install osso-software-version-unlocked choosed wrong number :P |
| 09:55.29 | timeless | 'oops' |
| 09:55.40 | timeless | mishandling a loaded gun... |
| 09:56.39 | Stskeeps | .. one of those statements if you are referring to either 1) o-s-v or 2) your new hobby reenacting dick cheney shooting people scenes |
| 09:56.45 | Stskeeps | +making me wonder |
| 09:56.56 | hahlo_n800-43-7 | some packages left uninstalled, should i reflash? |
| 09:57.17 | timeless | sts: believe me, i thought about it when i said it :) |
| 09:58.50 | hahlo_n800-43-7 | apt-get -f and dpkg --configure -a went through so partly apt still works |
| 09:59.40 | Stskeeps | hahlo_n800-43-7: re-install osso-software-version mayby |
| 09:59.52 | hahlo_n800-43-7 | tried to install rx-48 |
| 10:00.23 | Stskeeps | on a rx-34? :P |
| 10:00.24 | hahlo_n800-43-7 | what version is correct? |
| 10:00.37 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:01.11 | hahlo_n800-43-7 | it was in repository |
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| 10:02.15 | Stskeeps | yeah, but that package is for N810 wimax :P |
| 10:02.39 | timeless | i'm pretty sure you have to break the safety seal to see it.. |
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| 10:04.17 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, how's Mertop these days? |
| 10:04.25 | hahlo_n800-43-7 | but usually debians doesn't have diffrent hardware software in their repositories |
| 10:04.42 | qwerty12 | But this isn't debian/ |
| 10:04.44 | qwerty12 | *. |
| 10:04.55 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i got my normal laptop back, and my fiancée home again so, the mertop is sitting nicely, turned off :P |
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| 10:05.11 | GeneralAntilles | Dell Mini 9 + Mer == fun??? ;) |
| 10:05.22 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: hehe, yeah, possibly, should be trivial to try out |
| 10:05.43 | Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Making_x86_Mer_Bootable |
| 10:05.59 | Stskeeps | (grab a ubuntu live cd/usb stick) |
| 10:06.38 | Stskeeps | 249$ hm, that's cheap |
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| 10:08.49 | GeneralAntilles | More like $200 |
| 10:09.10 | Stskeeps | even more terrifying :P |
| 10:09.19 | Stskeeps | then again, battery life? :P |
| 10:09.33 | GeneralAntilles | Up, looks like it went back up. |
| 10:09.41 | GeneralAntilles | Meh |
| 10:09.52 | GeneralAntilles | It's not something I'm going to be mobile with much. |
| 10:10.01 | GeneralAntilles | Mostly just a way to get a cheap x86 machine. |
| 10:10.05 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
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| 10:21.51 | Stskeeps | wb |
| 10:22.01 | Stskeeps | did you have any luck with RNDIS, btw? |
| 10:22.13 | Stskeeps | if you want a XP tester i can probably do that tomorrow |
| 10:22.22 | qwerty12 | Thanks. I haven't tried again since :/ |
| 10:25.03 | Stskeeps | btw, think my wifi power saving stuff can be written as a powerlaunch script? (it's basically receive DeviceActivated dbus from NM then iwconfig power, and then depending on system activity, two different iwconfig commands |
| 10:25.36 | Stskeeps | not sure how much you've looked ati t |
| 10:25.54 | qwerty12 | In all honesty, I wouldn't know :/. Powerlaunch's docs on dbus are a little lacking... |
| 10:26.20 | Stskeeps | k |
| 10:27.40 | lcuk | urgleburgle |
| 10:28.11 | timeless | sts: should my network manager be 'kept back' by apt? |
| 10:28.40 | Stskeeps | are we speaking of NM? |
| 10:28.54 | timeless | just asking |
| 10:29.11 | Stskeeps | well, kept back normally means the new package's dependancies can't be satisfied or something |
| 10:29.20 | Stskeeps | and i hope ubuntu didn't mess up something :P |
| 10:30.04 | timeless | wonders if alarmd ever got fixed |
| 10:30.22 | timeless | err |
| 10:30.36 | timeless | wtf does hildon-theme-cacher get run from post* ? |
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| 10:30.43 | AStorm | Stskeeps, ubuntu not messing up? impossible! |
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| 10:31.13 | Stskeeps | AStorm: i think there is some law stating a linux distribution will at any given moment destroy your system or preserve it |
| 10:31.21 | timeless | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 10:31.28 | AStorm | actually, that's always true |
| 10:31.32 | AStorm | this "law" is a tautology |
| 10:31.38 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:32.00 | Stskeeps | AStorm: hehe, yeah :P |
| 10:32.16 | Stskeeps | timeless: true, on a frankenmer it will possibly cause issues :P |
| 10:32.28 | timeless | nmg wants libnm-glib0 (>= 0.7.1~ v. 0.7-0ubuntu1) |
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| 10:33.15 | suihkulokki | timeless: apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 10:33.29 | timeless | i typically only do upgrade |
| 10:34.02 | Stskeeps | timeless: i'm still surprised a mer+maemo combination doesn't fall apart more often |
| 10:34.20 | aquatix | something is going right :) |
| 10:34.26 | AStorm | btw guys, why don't we improve wicd? |
| 10:34.42 | suihkulokki | timeless: with only "upgrade", no new packages are installed or installed packages removed |
| 10:35.05 | Stskeeps | ah, i actually didn't know that |
| 10:35.52 | suihkulokki | it's even on the manpage (I just checked it ;) |
| 10:36.14 | timeless | ok, w/ dist-upgrade, i'm now only pinned to dsme, nmg and tracker |
| 10:36.53 | timeless | upgrading tracker will remove libgmime-2.0-2a and give me libgmime-2.0-2 instead |
| 10:37.15 | Stskeeps | yeah, get rid of tracker |
| 10:37.18 | Stskeeps | it breaks currently afaik |
| 10:37.28 | timeless | just uninstall it? |
| 10:37.29 | Stskeeps | i had to remove it from the images atm |
| 10:37.30 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 10:38.08 | timeless | ok, so just dsme and nmg |
| 10:38.49 | timeless | can i get someone to sacrifice 10-60mins of sanity? :) |
| 10:38.59 | Stskeeps | of? |
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| 10:39.17 | timeless | trying gizmo ;-) |
| 10:40.05 | Stskeeps | i'm personally looking forward to the moment i can click .install/.deb for Gizmo & Skype in Mer/n8x0 |
| 10:40.19 | Stskeeps | as they are available from their own homepages |
| 10:40.21 | AStorm | depends on what? |
| 10:40.27 | AStorm | uh, no, thank you |
| 10:40.33 | AStorm | behind NAT myself |
| 10:40.33 | timeless | they're in a repo |
| 10:40.42 | timeless | i grabbed the files using apt... |
| 10:40.52 | hahlo_n800-43-7 | can gizmo iconify in upper panel like xchat or pidgin? |
| 10:41.23 | Stskeeps | http://gizmo5.com/pc/download/#nokia |
| 10:41.27 | timeless | doesn't think so |
| 10:41.57 | GeneralAntilles | hahlo_n800-43-7, no, but rtcomm does. |
| 10:41.58 | hahlo_n800-43-7 | yes i haven't find settings to do that |
| 10:42.05 | hahlo_n800-43-7 | ok |
| 10:42.23 | hahlo_n800-43-7 | gizmo and fring would be nice otherwise |
| 10:42.34 | GeneralAntilles | Evil, evil Fring. |
| 10:42.40 | GeneralAntilles | Those developers should be drawn and quartered. |
| 10:42.49 | hahlo_n800-43-7 | why? |
| 10:43.08 | GeneralAntilles | SDK repo in a .install. |
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| 10:43.37 | hahlo_n800-43-7 | ah |
| 10:43.58 | timeless | um |
| 10:44.10 | timeless | the url you gave me tried to send me WinGizmoInstall.exe |
| 10:44.10 | AStorm | I concur. |
| 10:44.18 | timeless | i'd rather draw and quarter them for that |
| 10:44.34 | GeneralAntilles | timeless, on Mer in Midori? |
| 10:44.45 | timeless | Chrome - wXP |
| 10:44.56 | Stskeeps | timeless: yeah, it happened to me in firefox too |
| 10:44.58 | Stskeeps | just cancel it |
| 10:45.24 | timeless | sts: so, can you try my zip and tell me how gizmo feels? |
| 10:45.29 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, the autodetection/autodownload is obnoxious. |
| 10:45.35 | GeneralAntilles | But most users probably appreciate it. |
| 10:45.37 | Stskeeps | timeless: i actually don't run gizmo :(' |
| 10:45.41 | Stskeeps | skype i do |
| 10:45.45 | GeneralAntilles | Who would run Gizmo? |
| 10:45.54 | GeneralAntilles | rtcomm all the way. ;) |
| 10:45.58 | timeless | sts: i've translated skype too :) |
| 10:46.00 | timeless | testing wanted |
| 10:46.18 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: ui is still closed for contacts etc i guess |
| 10:46.23 | timeless | keep in mind, that in general, you can't go back to Nokia translations ;-) |
| 10:46.37 | Stskeeps | timeless: i have a n800 at work i can use for experiments |
| 10:47.03 | timeless | alright... lemme know :) |
| 10:47.28 | timeless | i actually at some point need to make a change list |
| 10:47.36 | timeless | to explain to the internals why their strings are so bad |
| 10:48.26 | GeneralAntilles | s/nonsense/English/g |
| 10:48.28 | GeneralAntilles | Just hand 'em that. |
| 10:48.41 | timeless | tried that |
| 10:48.45 | timeless | it didn't work |
| 10:49.02 | GeneralAntilles | Alternatively burn it into a 2x4 and beat them about the head and shoulders with it. |
| 10:49.24 | timeless | so... i still need a solution to the 'uninstall' requirement |
| 10:49.33 | timeless | would you object to my packages refusing to uninstall? |
| 10:49.52 | GeneralAntilles | dpkg-divert is too evil? |
| 10:50.08 | timeless | i could make the initial meta package installer include an annoying "license" "this package can not be uninstalled" |
| 10:50.22 | Stskeeps | timeless: radical solution: your own locale name |
| 10:50.25 | timeless | dpkg-divert is a royal pain and m-vo doesn't think it's appropriate |
| 10:50.27 | Stskeeps | will install alongside |
| 10:50.38 | qwerty12 | timeless, but it works though... |
| 10:50.42 | timeless | sts: it'd break all apps i don't localize |
| 10:50.49 | Stskeeps | that's true |
| 10:50.54 | timeless | that's not ok. |
| 10:51.21 | timeless | (English: that isn't acceptable) |
| 10:54.05 | Stskeeps | it's really down to dpkg-divert or to mv'ing thing to .OLD and moving them back on rm |
| 10:54.12 | Stskeeps | to make it a sane solution |
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| 10:54.36 | timeless | if someone writes code that can automatically do this for each package |
| 10:54.43 | timeless | w/o requiring any maintenance, that's fine |
| 10:54.46 | timeless | i'll include it |
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| 10:55.05 | timeless | but it as to work for an arbitrary locale and an arbitrary package |
| 10:55.37 | timeless | (i.e. ~4 common lines which magically work no matter into which localization package i dump it) |
| 10:55.47 | rmt | Are there any apps to download/cache web pages? ie. sync in the morning before going out then spend the day reading news & articles. |
| 10:56.02 | timeless | (2 lines, one for preinst and one for postinst would be better) |
| 10:56.17 | Stskeeps | timeless: your own debhelper extension maybe.. |
| 10:56.39 | timeless | sts: i have a package all of my locale packages define |
| 10:56.48 | timeless | so it's not a problem to stick a shell script into that |
| 10:57.09 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 10:57.11 | timeless | i'd rather it be figured out at install time instead of at build time |
| 10:58.14 | GeneralAntilles | Packaging, for all the benefits it's supposed to bring, is far too often just a pain in the ass. |
| 10:58.16 | rmt | discovered a reasonably priced source of the N810 in Italy.. €250 with shipping.. I think this particular website must go out of its way to not be found by google. |
| 10:58.33 | timeless | heh |
| 10:58.36 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27219 |
| 10:58.42 | Stskeeps | you up for hacking? i mean, we have Mer x86.. |
| 10:58.57 | Stskeeps | it should be fairly trivial to do |
| 10:59.07 | GeneralAntilles | What's the point? |
| 10:59.15 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: geekiness |
| 10:59.16 | GeneralAntilles | Fairly trivial and fairly pointless. :P |
| 10:59.39 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i could see a benefit if it enacted some kind of symbiosis personally, but yeah |
| 11:00.05 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: trivial for you perhaps :) |
| 11:00.08 | Stskeeps | PC as a docking station for tablet |
| 11:00.22 | GeneralAntilles | Is it just me, or do maemo-qt applications all seem to have overly large taskbar icons? |
| 11:00.28 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: Making_x86_mer_bootable + image file exported over usb storage maybe |
| 11:01.14 | Stskeeps | starts generating 0.9 test images |
| 11:02.30 | timeless | http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/Who-Knew-Bush-Was-a-Democrat.aspx |
| 11:02.58 | timeless | qwerty/sts: so, either of you willing to write this helper script? :) |
| 11:03.46 | GeneralAntilles | timeless, they're all scum whose ultimate goal is to screw everybody else over. ;) |
| 11:04.03 | timeless | speaking of which, are you running for office? |
| 11:04.08 | timeless | ;^) |
| 11:04.14 | Stskeeps | timeless: and the effect would basically be moving away the old .mo replace it with our installed, for any package it's in |
| 11:04.18 | GeneralAntilles | I usually drive. |
| 11:04.23 | Stskeeps | isn't, crap at community stuf |
| 11:04.24 | Stskeeps | f |
| 11:04.36 | timeless | sts: yep |
| 11:04.50 | timeless | preferably not including the same localization package ;-) |
| 11:05.08 | GeneralAntilles | My own personal goal is to screw qwerty12_N800 over. :P |
| 11:05.23 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800 for council chair |
| 11:05.24 | Stskeeps | ;P |
| 11:05.32 | timeless | that'd do it ;-) |
| 11:05.44 | qwerty12_N800 | Aww, see how much GeneralAntilles likes me? :p |
| 11:06.11 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.geekologie.com/2008/02/26/human-chairs.jpg |
| 11:06.58 | qwerty12_N800 | Why am I reminded of $100 & infobot... |
| 11:08.27 | Stskeeps | tries to understand if there is at all any sense in the powerlaunch language |
| 11:09.18 | GeneralAntilles | Awful lot of work for something exactly 3 people can manage to use. ;0 |
| 11:09.23 | GeneralAntilles | s/0/)/ |
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| 11:10.13 | Stskeeps | it's basically a state machine language as far as i can see :P |
| 11:10.28 | timeless | so, in my mer, there are 7 packages doing divergences, dash, vim, dictionaries, screen, theme-fixes?, lcars-sounds (19!) and lcars-complete |
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| 11:11.31 | Stskeeps | sounds normal |
| 11:11.37 | Stskeeps | dpkg-divert is good until it comes to deal with docpurge |
| 11:11.53 | timeless | what happens? |
| 11:12.08 | Stskeeps | dpkg-divert fails when diverting docs, as they don't exist cos docpurge removed them :P |
| 11:12.15 | Stskeeps | and breaks package installation |
| 11:12.49 | timeless | isn't that a missing set -e or exit 0 or something? |
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| 11:13.10 | Stskeeps | more like dpkg-divert treats a missing file to divert as an error, which makes sense |
| 11:13.58 | qwerty12_N800 | but it returns non-zero which is what i think timeless is saying |
| 11:15.11 | Stskeeps | true |
| 11:15.46 | benson | GeneralAntilles: Austin, me, and... you? |
| 11:16.11 | benson | (Can use powerlaunch language, that is) |
| 11:17.22 | GeneralAntilles | benson, definitely not me. ;) |
| 11:18.17 | GeneralAntilles | isn't sure what's more irritating automated linux-omap membership spam or human-generated membership spam. |
| 11:19.26 | suihkulokki | happy mailman day to you too |
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| 11:49.28 | lbt_ | GeneralAntilles: hmm... I wonder if Maemo-Upgrade-Description shouldn't be in control, it should be in changelog... |
| 11:49.48 | GeneralAntilles | shrugs. |
| 11:49.55 | GeneralAntilles | Not a fun patch to implement at this point. ;) |
| 11:50.52 | lbt_ | meh - if you want people to use them then they need to be easy to use - I update changelog for each revision, not control... just thoughts... |
| 11:51.19 | Stskeeps | 's with lbt on that one |
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| 12:00.53 | GeneralAntilles | The problem with the changelog, though, is that it's often not end-user appropriate. |
| 12:01.06 | Stskeeps | it really ought to be though |
| 12:01.40 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: or maybe have a part of it which is Maemo-upgrade-description: headered |
| 12:02.04 | GeneralAntilles | I'd like to see decently formated package information in h-a-m |
| 12:02.11 | GeneralAntilles | It's all rather nasty as it stands. |
| 12:02.15 | GeneralAntilles | hard-wrapped descriptions |
| 12:02.18 | GeneralAntilles | ugly package names |
| 12:02.21 | GeneralAntilles | ugly version strings |
| 12:03.07 | lcuk | what do you think then, html+css formatted changelogs? |
| 12:03.29 | GeneralAntilles | What would be the point of CSS? |
| 12:03.40 | GeneralAntilles | HTML doesn't sound unreasonable. |
| 12:03.58 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Application-view-mockup.png |
| 12:03.59 | lcuk | because your idea of style doesnt match mine :P |
| 12:04.19 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, package managers aren't the place to go nuts with the individual creativity. |
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| 12:04.26 | GeneralAntilles | Package managers are the place to be consistant. |
| 12:04.32 | GeneralAntilles | would like to see a packaging style guide. |
| 12:05.05 | lcuk | yes, normal debian styling is fine for apps. the app-store errr h-a-m should take that formatting and do the best it can |
| 12:05.40 | GeneralAntilles | Is there a pretty package management solution on desktop Linux or do they just put up with shitty looking hard-wrapped descriptions and nasty package names? |
| 12:05.45 | lcuk | it should also where possible use the html descriptions from downloads/maemo |
| 12:05.56 | lcuk | ^ |
| 12:06.06 | GeneralAntilles | That's just more work for maintainers |
| 12:06.09 | lcuk | ie if there is a matching pretty version |
| 12:06.14 | lcuk | not really, they do that already |
| 12:06.18 | GeneralAntilles | I'd rather see Downloads and h-a-m using pretty descriptions from the package. |
| 12:06.23 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles, there is, synaptics I guess |
| 12:06.28 | AStorm | *synaptic |
| 12:06.44 | AStorm | other than that, who sane uses graphical tools for package management anyway? |
| 12:06.54 | AStorm | ;) |
| 12:07.01 | GeneralAntilles | Doesn't look particularly pretty. |
| 12:07.07 | GeneralAntilles | AStorm, users. ;) |
| 12:07.18 | GeneralAntilles | lowercase-only hyphenated package names. |
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| 12:07.51 | AStorm | well, can't do better, descriptions are fairly bad too |
| 12:08.05 | AStorm | non-descriptive that is |
| 12:08.30 | GeneralAntilles | Users don't like ugly things, no matter how functional they are. |
| 12:08.53 | GeneralAntilles | There must be somebody out there considering style. |
| 12:09.07 | AStorm | ubuntu. |
| 12:09.56 | GeneralAntilles | Also Synaptic, no? |
| 12:10.03 | AStorm | yep |
| 12:10.58 | GeneralAntilles | What's a good solution here? |
| 12:11.07 | GeneralAntilles | Adding more Maemo-specific fields to the control file |
| 12:11.11 | GeneralAntilles | or fetching something from the web? |
| 12:11.20 | Stskeeps | metaindex on repository i'd say |
| 12:11.59 | GeneralAntilles | Compiled and edited how? |
| 12:12.03 | GeneralAntilles | Through Downloads? |
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| 12:12.27 | suihkulokki | re: descriptiosn, how is packages.debian.org do ? http://packages.debian.org/sid/synaptic |
| 12:12.41 | suihkulokki | s,is,does, |
| 12:14.42 | igagis1 | hi |
| 12:15.06 | igagis1 | I have problem: my application is closed after a few seconds after it is started |
| 12:15.28 | igagis1 | looks like there's something wrong with dbus service name or something |
| 12:15.34 | GeneralAntilles | Anyway, moving forward, I don't want to end up having to be compared unfavorable to Apple and Google's pretty application listings complete with tidy little screenshots and ratings. ;) |
| 12:15.53 | qwerty12_N800 | igagis1: it's been osso_initalized correctly? |
| 12:15.53 | igagis1 | but I checked, everything looks right, don't know where's the problem... ^-( |
| 12:16.09 | igagis1 | yes, it looks correct |
| 12:17.15 | igagis1 | just a minute, I'll try posting my .service and .desktop files |
| 12:19.35 | igagis1 | here they are: http://pastebin.com/m4f5dca32 |
| 12:21.12 | igagis1 | the first time app launches and closes after few seconds and all cubsequent times the app doesn't launch at all |
| 12:21.23 | igagis1 | subsequent* |
| 12:22.02 | qwerty12_N800 | I thought it should always be false? but it's been a while since I looked at libosso docs. But "theremin" in your osso_initalize assumes com.nokia.theremin afaik. it should be your full dbus service name |
| 12:22.24 | lbt_ | sorry, GeneralAntilles Stskeeps .. got caught in a problem... |
| 12:22.29 | igagis1 | ok, I'll try that, thanks for the idea |
| 12:22.53 | lbt_ | I actually meant to include Maemo-Upgrade-Description in the changelog |
| 12:23.30 | lbt | either on a per line basis |
| 12:23.44 | lbt | or on a 'include after this' basis |
| 12:24.27 | lbt | and since it's new... just User-Upgrade-Description is fine: |
| 12:24.47 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, maybe hit -developers |
| 12:24.50 | GeneralAntilles | m-vo may have some input |
| 12:26.48 | lbt | http://pastebin.com/d54606c36 |
| 12:27.00 | lbt | Most of that is *not* for end users |
| 12:27.51 | lbt | as for HTML - I say *NO* :) |
| 12:28.54 | GeneralAntilles | Not for the changelog |
| 12:28.58 | GeneralAntilles | But for the description |
| 12:29.03 | GeneralAntilles | The hardwrapping's gotta go, anyway. |
| 12:30.32 | lbt | changelog is a good place to put a breif user comment maybe including a link. The use of * to mark a para start is well understood |
| 12:30.52 | lbt | Including a link would be easy |
| 12:31.33 | lbt | But this may be shown in a variety of places and txt is the most portable |
| 12:32.19 | igagis1 | qwerty12_N800: here are the docs for osso_initialize: http://maemo.org/api_refs/3.0/libosso/group__Init.html#ga1 , its description is not very clear about that only com.nokia.... works with short app name. But anyway, I changed it to full dbus service name and now it works, Thanks for help! |
| 12:33.41 | qwerty12_N800 | igagis: you should look at the 4.1 version, those are for OS2007 :) (I guess a lot hasn't changed in libosso but best to stay current :)) |
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| 12:42.54 | igagis1 | has just uploaded the relatively stable .deb release of theremin app: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/theremin/ |
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| 12:47.37 | lcuk | igagis, :( wont install |
| 12:47.57 | igagis1 | lcuk: :-( |
| 12:48.06 | igagis1 | must be some issues with dependancies? |
| 12:48.22 | lcuk | i like instruments, have you played with boxar? |
| 12:48.28 | lcuk | yeah im just seeing now |
| 12:48.30 | igagis1 | yes I did |
| 12:49.13 | lcuk | ive been doing lots of nice graphical stuff and think a strumming guitar style can work (i keep strumming my kinetic calendar and thinking it needs music with it |
| 12:49.14 | igagis1 | sound produced by boxar is somewhat metallic |
| 12:50.21 | igagis1 | lcuk: let me know if you come up with some idea why it does not install on your tablet. |
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| 12:50.58 | lcuk | libcairomm libglibmm libgtkmm libhildon-fmmm libhildonmm libsigc++ |
| 12:50.59 | igagis1 | guitar does not look possible on N810 because there is no multitouch, don't know how to finger chords |
| 12:51.23 | igagis1 | yes, these are required libs |
| 12:51.24 | lcuk | why finger chords, if it gets into place ill show you :) |
| 12:51.37 | igagis1 | ok ;-) |
| 12:52.02 | lcuk | you can only strum with one plectrum at once :P |
| 12:52.16 | igagis1 | so, you try to install the deb and it does not know where to get libcairomm etc.? |
| 12:52.17 | lcuk | and you can just strum different locations for things |
| 12:52.21 | lcuk | yeah |
| 12:52.36 | lcuk | ive got the usual suspects |
| 12:53.14 | lcuk | puts down his wm stuff for a bit |
| 12:53.45 | qwerty12_N800 | igagis1: app manager will only install dependencies if you are installing your program from a repository |
| 12:53.46 | igagis1 | lcuk: a workaround would be to do 'apt-get install maemo-cplusplus-device-env' |
| 12:54.02 | igagis1 | qwerty12_N800: yes, I understand that |
| 12:54.40 | qwerty12_N800 | :) |
| 12:54.52 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, what about if i apt-get it from the .deb, same effect? |
| 12:55.24 | lcuk | personally doesnt want all this c++ stuff poluting his machine anyway :P |
| 12:55.45 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, lol? |
| 12:55.52 | igagis1 | :-) |
| 12:55.59 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: hmm? you can't apt-get install a deb. a dodgy workaround is dpkg -i deb ; apt-get -f install |
| 12:56.14 | lcuk | :D just what i need, a dodgy path |
| 12:56.43 | lcuk | i keep telling you qwerty, i am a n00b with linux stuff, its all handwaving, im still used to msi packages and stuff |
| 12:57.31 | qwerty12_N800 | msi's suck :p |
| 12:58.13 | lcuk | :O 25mb to install maemo-cplusplus-device-env |
| 12:58.55 | lcuk | ive got no hope of that, i couldnt copy a 15mb image yesterday |
| 12:59.21 | qwerty12_N800 | better off installing the individual libs it needs via the "method" |
| 12:59.22 | benson | Guitar could use N810 or bluetooth keyboard for frets, touchscreen for strumming. |
| 12:59.54 | benson | Or hook up a GH controller for one-string frets... |
| 12:59.59 | igagis1 | 25mb, that's a lot, I did not think about it actually :-) just installed it. I think the .so libs itself libcairomm libglibmm libgtkmm libhildon-fmmm libhildonmm libsigc++ would weigh much less, supose there are lots of other stuff in maemo-cplusplus-device-env |
| 13:00.06 | lcuk | or it could possibly use some variation on the multitouch |
| 13:00.21 | AStorm | benson, no, it's the feedback that matters |
| 13:00.30 | AStorm | nothing that doesn't have actual strings will do |
| 13:00.53 | lcuk | astorm, its a wonderful feeling with full kinetic and rapid updates |
| 13:01.02 | AStorm | lcuk, gimme! |
| 13:01.02 | lcuk | had a tune in his head and everything |
| 13:01.45 | lcuk | as you know ive got a few things to sort out, ive abandoned one thing because i dont think i need it any more |
| 13:02.20 | derf | AStorm: I've seen force-feedback devices that can do a pretty good imitation of picking an actual string, without an actual string. |
| 13:03.06 | AStorm | derf, but how do you hit a nonexistent object? ;P |
| 13:03.19 | derf | It's force-feedback. |
| 13:03.38 | AStorm | too late, I missed the string/fret |
| 13:03.43 | derf | The entire _point_ of the device is hitting non-existent objects. |
| 13:04.10 | AStorm | and the trick is that you can do much more with an actual string |
| 13:04.18 | lcuk | astorm, also if all you are doing is moving columns using strumming motion and getting a feedback sound in line with what you are doing its all good |
| 13:04.54 | lcuk | does the 810 keyboard do chording? |
| 13:05.35 | derf | The buttons on the N810 keyboard are as hard or harder to press than the N800's dpad. |
| 13:06.00 | AStorm | yeah |
| 13:06.41 | AStorm | althoguh I did beat OpenTyrian with it |
| 13:07.50 | AStorm | my left thumb got sore though |
| 13:08.06 | AStorm | dpad could use a better design |
| 13:08.57 | lcuk | it appears as though it does, but x11 sends multiple down/up combos |
| 13:09.43 | lcuk | bbl |
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| 13:23.15 | Stskeeps | morning kozak |
| 13:24.55 | igagis1 | lcuk: I come up with 3Mb solution to C++ libs instead of 25 mb |
| 13:25.06 | igagis1 | apt-get install libcairomm-1.0-1 libglibmm-2.4-1c2a libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a libhildon-fmmm libhildonmm libsigc++-2.0-0c2a |
| 13:25.13 | igagis1 | :-) |
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| 13:26.35 | KayDeeEeJon | hi |
| 13:26.46 | Stskeeps | hi |
| 13:29.43 | KayDeeEeJon | what's the status of qt integration in maemo (i heard that since nokia bought qt, there were plans to make maemo more qt-based) ? |
| 13:31.08 | kozak | Evening Stskeeps! |
| 13:32.50 | lbt | KayDeeEeJon: Qt4.4 is available as a runtime - 4.5 is in rc |
| 13:33.40 | lbt | however most of the heathens around here don't appreciate a good framework ;) |
| 13:34.04 | Stskeeps | would still like to see if qt-maemo runs sanely on mer. |
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| 13:35.57 | KayDeeEeJon | lol |
| 13:35.58 | KayDeeEeJon | thx |
| 13:37.03 | Stskeeps | KayDeeEeJon: think official support comes in Harmattan (not next version but next again) |
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| 13:37.30 | KayDeeEeJon | ok thx |
| 13:37.54 | lbt | Stskeeps: what do you need to try that? |
| 13:37.55 | KayDeeEeJon | is any successor to the N810 on the way? |
| 13:38.26 | Stskeeps | lbt: i think compiling it on the vmdk should do the trick really |
| 13:38.48 | Stskeeps | (i just havent done it but would love someone experiment) |
| 13:41.58 | lcuk | igagis, fair enough, trying now :) |
| 13:44.40 | lcuk | igagis, impressive! the columns are about the same size as the ones i was kineticing |
| 13:45.46 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: btw, apt works fine on x86 |
| 13:48.31 | timeless | hrm, do i need /usr/bin/dbus-daemon ? |
| 13:49.04 | igagis1 | lcuk: you can press the Esc button and there will be options (also accessible from app menu) and there you can set the mode of 1, 2 or 3 octaves on the screen |
| 13:49.17 | timeless | nice, maemolauncher died (itdidn't like gtkhtml) |
| 13:49.36 | Stskeeps | timeless: yeah, fairly, most OSSO communication dies without :P |
| 13:49.57 | timeless | so, why would i be missing it? :) |
| 13:50.06 | igagis1 | lcuk: also you can change tuning by arrow keys |
| 13:50.10 | Stskeeps | timeless: hmm. |
| 13:50.34 | lcuk | igagis, quick, simple, effective :) i like it, only thing, esc takes people back - have enter? or dpad centre? bringing up options dialog? |
| 13:51.18 | timeless | i only have dbus-{launch,monitor,send} |
| 13:51.41 | Stskeeps | timeless: ah, i think it's in /bin/dbus-daemon for some disturbed reason |
| 13:51.43 | Stskeeps | not entirely sure why |
| 13:52.07 | igagis1 | lcuk: well It is possible to make enter bring options instead of esc, but there is nowhere to get back from the app, but never the less, I can do enter key to open options also |
| 13:52.09 | timeless | i have something which on startup is looking fof /usr/bin/.... |
| 13:52.15 | timeless | i do have /bin/... |
| 13:53.04 | lcuk | igagis, im getting used to a single key to go back and escape has naturally always been "get me out of here". i am confused when people use it to go forwards |
| 13:53.36 | igagis1 | ok, I might close the app by pressing the esc key, is that the behavior you expect by esc key? |
| 13:53.36 | timeless | /etc/osso/af-init/dbus-sessionbus.sh looks for /usr/bin/dbus-daemon |
| 13:54.06 | lbt | Stskeeps: Mer is on my list |
| 13:54.07 | timeless | i have osso-af-startup 1.74-1 |
| 13:54.24 | lcuk | igagis, yes, but dont have your closing yet (unless you want). have a look at liqbase to see why i say what i do :) |
| 13:54.43 | timeless | sts: this seems to be the problem... |
| 13:54.46 | igagis1 | lcuk: ok, I'll have a look |
| 13:55.05 | lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/user/lcukmaemo |
| 13:55.43 | geoaxis | guys, offtopic, a wobbling screen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoaqA9KV2pA on my nokia n810 |
| 13:56.27 | Stskeeps | geoaxis: do you have 48mhz kernel installed or rotation? |
| 13:56.39 | Stskeeps | timeless: yeah, the /bin thing is an error i think |
| 13:57.05 | geoaxis | Stskeeps: i just bought mine 2 weeks ago, its vanilla |
| 13:57.17 | Stskeeps | geoaxis: newest diablo update? |
| 13:57.18 | geoaxis | the screen is portion is physically damaged ..its loose |
| 13:57.20 | lcuk | geoaxis, wtf? can i have a few seconds of my life back. its a drawer mechanism, there is a small amount of give in every similar mechanism? |
| 13:57.21 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 13:57.45 | geoaxis | lcuk :) |
| 13:57.52 | geoaxis | so its like that |
| 13:57.54 | timeless | what lcuk said |
| 13:57.55 | lcuk | posts videos about his kitchen drawers wobbling |
| 13:58.38 | geoaxis | is laughing at himself |
| 13:58.47 | geoaxis | well i got very touchy about my new toy ... |
| 13:58.49 | lcuk | :D can we say "fixed in n800" |
| 13:59.11 | geoaxis | thought i had broken it like my other toys |
| 13:59.12 | timeless | no, sadly most people call it a regression |
| 13:59.20 | timeless | 'my n800 didn't wobble' |
| 13:59.21 | lcuk | lol |
| 13:59.34 | timeless | really? did it extend? well no, now that you mention it, it didn't |
| 14:00.13 | lcuk | if anything is wrong with the build on the 810 its the battery cover and assoc. unit. its flimsy doesnt fit like most other phone backs and the battery falls out |
| 14:00.42 | timeless | hey, is it a phone? :) |
| 14:00.59 | timeless | (but yeah, it's true, the back's a bit odd) |
| 14:01.03 | lcuk | no, but you would expect some communication between the other departments :P |
| 14:01.11 | timeless | i work here! |
| 14:01.18 | lcuk | i know! |
| 14:01.24 | lcuk | fixed in fremantle? |
| 14:01.57 | timeless | actually took a video of the device opening a few months ago |
| 14:02.14 | timeless | let's pretend "opening" could mean "booting" or "extending" or something totally unrelated |
| 14:02.32 | timeless | (like showing 'opning' when applications start...) |
| 14:02.55 | lcuk | ? transformersesq hardware morphing to open apps? |
| 14:03.24 | Stskeeps | lcuk: which lends to the thought that RX-51, will, indeed, take over the world |
| 14:03.29 | Stskeeps | but not as we originally thought. |
| 14:03.30 | lcuk | opening a browser flips down additional screens and an outer dpad (much to roopes chargrin) |
| 14:03.58 | timeless | shrugs |
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| 14:04.13 | lcuk | opening the camera app unveils a full flash unit and old fashioned hood |
| 14:04.22 | binky | Hi. |
| 14:04.49 | lcuk | igagis, is this using gtkmm for the sound? |
| 14:05.45 | timeless | sts: do you have /etc/osso-af-init/matchbox.defs? |
| 14:05.48 | igagis1 | lcuk: no it uses ALSA |
| 14:06.13 | igagis1 | looking at liqbase |
| 14:06.47 | lcuk | :) |
| 14:06.51 | Stskeeps | timeless: nop, we have scrapped osso-af-init :P |
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| 14:08.10 | timeless | really? |
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| 14:15.00 | timeless | puzzles |
| 14:15.06 | timeless | why do people file bugs about about:config? |
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| 14:16.37 | lcuk | cos htey want to use it |
| 14:16.39 | lcuk | they |
| 14:16.55 | lcuk | and it takes about a fortnight to come up :P |
| 14:16.55 | Stskeeps | timeless: yeah, but some of it may be good |
| 14:17.27 | timeless | sts: what replaces it? |
| 14:18.54 | Stskeeps | timeless: well, it's a work in progress, but the inexistence of it is from that we want to see hildon as a typical session (just like GNOME, KDE, FVWM, etc), not the entire OS |
| 14:19.03 | Stskeeps | osso-af-init is .. a mess, to say th eleast :P |
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| 14:25.11 | Stskeeps | morning VDVsx |
| 14:25.30 | VDVsx | hello Stskeeps :) |
| 14:26.26 | Stskeeps | tries to strip down mer in memory a little bit |
| 14:26.44 | Stskeeps | noticed auto-startx keeps a bash active, heh |
| 14:26.46 | Stskeeps | 1.0% memory. lovely. |
| 14:27.46 | jaska | it doesnt exec the last part? |
| 14:28.09 | Stskeeps | basically the su - line was written in a weird way |
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| 14:39.28 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: i wonder if it would be possible to make a wide range of hildon-desktop replacements, and maybe still keep the applet API and such |
| 14:42.44 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, like redesign the hildon desktop or change the hildon desktop for something else , keeping some elements ? |
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| 14:43.47 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: well, QTablet as an example - hildon-desktop is already quite flexible if you look closely enough, but if there was a skeleton to build on top of that still exported the same API elements it would be trivial to create different hildon desktops :P |
| 14:45.08 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, yup, like QTablet (a framework), I think is possible, but sould be a lot of works |
| 14:45.11 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 14:45.33 | VDVsx | but is a very good idea :) |
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| 14:47.11 | VDVsx | if you use hildon as a base, perhaps will reduce the a lot the work needed |
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| 14:51.28 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, perhaps the ubuntu MID interface can help here, it claims to be very customizable, and use hildon |
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| 14:56.02 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: we are slowly including the h-d patches from ubuntu though |
| 14:56.42 | guysoft42 | hey all, i am going to try ask again : does anyone here sync GPE without ssh? |
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| 15:53.41 | Stskeeps | wb qwerty12 |
| 15:54.03 | qwerty12 | hi |
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| 16:05.58 | user_ | all hi |
| 16:06.00 | user_ | all hi |
| 16:07.13 | woodong50 | i am using GPE calender ppl |
| 16:07.43 | slonopotamus | ~ping |
| 16:07.44 | infobot | ~pong |
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| 16:09.41 | woodong50 | but memo to legister on GPE dont come me to email |
| 16:12.56 | woodong50 | To legister it on google webpqge come me well to email |
| 16:13.45 | woodong50 | i dont know well |
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| 16:14.59 | woodong50 | what is name of n800 battery |
| 16:15.08 | Stskeeps | bp-5l or something, or -4l |
| 16:15.10 | Stskeeps | cannot remember |
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| 16:15.33 | woodong50 | thank you |
| 16:15.42 | Juhaz | BP-5L, yes. |
| 16:15.54 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, hi. i'm trying to get wifi work but get ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported. any ideas? |
| 16:16.34 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: which cx3110x do you employ? |
| 16:17.22 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: btw i have a xomap that works with modern headers |
| 16:17.33 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, during wpa_supplicant connection. using cx3110x 2.0.15 driver. |
| 16:17.41 | Stskeeps | ok, so straight from source 2.0.15 |
| 16:17.44 | Stskeeps | you need two patches |
| 16:18.19 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, what's 'modern headers'? you're updating kernel? |
| 16:18.30 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: no, modern X11 headers |
| 16:18.53 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, then what's 'modern'? |
| 16:19.03 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, i'm on 1.3 |
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| 16:19.37 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: whatever isn't back in the 2005s ;) |
| 16:20.52 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, i didn't see any patches on r.t.o |
| 16:21.22 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: yeah, trying to find it, sec |
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| 16:23.13 | slonopotamus | and wpa_supplicant sais it associated and immediately got 'dissasciate trap' |
| 16:27.50 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, you started using own umac.ko? |
| 16:28.51 | slonopotamus | discard my previous message |
| 16:29.49 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: http://dev.openbossa.org/mamona/gitweb?p=mamona.git;a=tree;f=packages/mamona/cx3110x-diablo-2.0.15;h=72b1e0ceedf1be63b6af7f5a948d3657746a0010;hb=HEAD , these patches plus http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/cx3110.txt (not a patch) |
| 16:30.08 | Stskeeps | that's the equivalent of mer cx3110x |
| 16:31.34 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, do you have source package? |
| 16:32.36 | Stskeeps | i think the one on cx3110x-module on r.m.t.o should be accurate |
| 16:32.49 | Stskeeps | check if the latest patch is in it |
| 16:32.56 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, cx3110x-module-src? |
| 16:33.11 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, i built from it |
| 16:33.17 | Stskeeps | hmm. |
| 16:34.15 | Stskeeps | fair enough, not accurate then |
| 16:34.16 | Stskeeps | sec |
| 16:34.41 | slonopotamus | ahha |
| 16:35.06 | slonopotamus | it doesn't have your patch-that-is-not-a-patch |
| 16:35.17 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 16:35.49 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, you're building unrebuildable distro :) |
| 16:36.10 | Stskeeps | those specific packages are touchy, as i said :P |
| 16:36.21 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, is already any tarball made for mer 0.9 ? |
| 16:36.35 | lcuk | igagis, did you have a look |
| 16:36.45 | slonopotamus | oh. you get 0.9 this weekend? |
| 16:37.14 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: yeah, want one? |
| 16:37.20 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: tomorrow, but generating one today |
| 16:37.33 | VDVsx | yup, I'm doing a fresh install, just point me the link :) |
| 16:38.26 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, if it is in the same usual place, don't need the link :) |
| 16:39.15 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: nah, it's not yet |
| 16:39.17 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit2/f/deblet-cx3110x.patch |
| 16:41.58 | Stskeeps | that is definately the patch :P |
| 16:42.02 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, could you generate it with diff -u -r, please? |
| 16:42.20 | Stskeeps | it is a diff -u -r patch |
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| 16:45.03 | Stskeeps | b-man: can you push a 0.9 update to the bzr btw? |
| 16:45.14 | b-man | shure :) |
| 16:45.42 | lcuk | VDVsx, what do you think the chances of mixing up bluemaemo with an alternative backend. i currently use a really simple wifi socket based remote between my 810 and my windows desktop |
| 16:45.56 | lcuk | i wrote it last year before starting liqbase and its worked perfectly ever since |
| 16:46.09 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, applied cleanly :) strange |
| 16:46.26 | lcuk | ive seen a few ppl asking for something similar |
| 16:46.32 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: you did hear about my umac experiments? |
| 16:46.36 | b-man | Stskeeps: as soon as i get done with updating sys-env-base and sys-env-x in the ubuntu-n8x0 repo ;) |
| 16:46.45 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, think it's worth making the mmap.patch a quilt managed one? |
| 16:46.52 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, nope |
| 16:47.04 | b-man | had a fuew dependence issues) |
| 16:47.26 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: basically i figured out that it is possible to push umac.ko to higher versions of kernel and i got cx3110x 1.2 (for 770) building for 2.6.28, heh |
| 16:47.37 | VDVsx | lcuk, you will need a backend different backend for each OS, but can be done |
| 16:47.38 | Stskeeps | b-man: alright, but ideally within 12 hours :P |
| 16:47.48 | b-man | ok :) |
| 16:48.14 | b-man | it won't take that long :) |
| 16:48.19 | VDVsx | lcuk, windows programming is a mystery for me :) |
| 16:48.19 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, well, i'm not interested in 770 at least because i don't have it :) |
| 16:48.22 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 16:48.25 | lcuk | VDVsx, from the bluemaemo perpective, it could just have alternatives BT/wifi - most socket ops are standard |
| 16:48.39 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: 770 would be a good target for gentoo, not from compiling POV, but for super optimized target :P |
| 16:49.06 | lcuk | lol i cant do windows c, i hate the api. vb is ismple enough |
| 16:49.08 | lcuk | simple |
| 16:49.31 | lcuk | remote control via smtp! |
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| 16:49.51 | VDVsx | lcuk, but you will need code to eject the events (mouse, keyboard, etc...) |
| 16:50.10 | VDVsx | bluemaemo use a standart right now, no need for extra code :) |
| 16:50.17 | lcuk | yeah - technically its a VNC server you want to talk to |
| 16:50.30 | lcuk | just ignore recv of the screen |
| 16:50.57 | t_s_o | testing bluemaemo as keyboard for my pc right now |
| 16:50.59 | lcuk | mmm, that would probably work |
| 16:51.00 | t_s_o | hmm |
| 16:51.16 | qwerty12 | Jaffa, did you ever get anywhere with ArcEm btw? (I'm feeling slightly nostalgic :)) |
| 16:51.18 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, i have what i have :) and, for example, gentoo-on-n8x0 won't be able to use n810 kb until someone with n810 will join. simply because i can't test whether it works |
| 16:51.19 | lcuk | since vnc is ported to lots of systems and uses standard things |
| 16:51.33 | t_s_o | it seems a bit confused about symbols... |
| 16:51.57 | VDVsx | t_s_o, only US-EN at this time |
| 16:51.58 | slonopotamus | gone cooking dinner :) |
| 16:52.02 | t_s_o | guess its a effect of mismatched layouts |
| 16:52.10 | lcuk | VDVsx, im just pondering outloud, ive heard lots of nice things about BM (though i dont use bluetooth for anything) |
| 16:52.14 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: yeah, i had same issue |
| 16:52.16 | t_s_o | ah, bingo |
| 16:52.47 | t_s_o | it was almost silly easy to set up ones i upgraded to bluez4 at the pc end ;) |
| 16:52.55 | slonopotamus | anybody have time/will to hack gentoo on n810? :) |
| 16:52.58 | b0unc3 | Hi, i'm trying to develop a status bar plugin following the documention on maemo.org... |
| 16:53.05 | t_s_o | but that keyboard takes a bit getting used to, i find the keys a bit small... |
| 16:53.14 | b0unc3 | ..but the documentation says to run "pkg-config osso-af-settings --variable=hildondesktoplibdir" to automatically obtain the right place where to put the lib.. |
| 16:53.57 | b0unc3 | and the location should be something like /usr/share/application/hildon-status-bar but the following command return the right place where to put the .desktop file for a desktop plugin and not where to put the lib of a statusbar plugin |
| 16:54.07 | VDVsx | t_s_o, the VKB ? |
| 16:54.14 | t_s_o | yep |
| 16:54.19 | b0unc3 | how can I obtain the right place ? |
| 16:54.47 | VDVsx | t_s_o, the hildon VKB have smaller keys :) |
| 16:55.44 | t_s_o | the full screen one? |
| 16:56.32 | VDVsx | no :) |
| 16:56.54 | VDVsx | I don't ever use the full screen VKB, I don't know why |
| 16:59.01 | t_s_o | i use the full screen one as much as possible. i guess thats why the webkit related issues are so noticeable to me ;) |
| 16:59.34 | t_s_o | i didnt bother trying to use a stylus with the bluemaemo keyboard btw, so that could be why i found it small... |
| 17:01.41 | pupnik | 17:34 < GreyGhost> is there an official symbian port? |
| 17:01.41 | pupnik | 17:35 <@Harekiet> we only support girls riding the symbian |
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| 17:02.59 | Stskeeps | maybe a lirc plugin |
| 17:03.29 | VDVsx | t_s_o, If you have a n810 you can also use the HW keyboard ;) |
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| 17:05.59 | t_s_o | no so "fortunate". N800 here |
| 17:06.27 | lcuk | pupnik, theres no 'n' in it lol. and i think they have a dual core version now lol |
| 17:11.05 | t_s_o | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.24 | t_s_o | boredom and slashdot comments are a bad combo... |
| 17:11.41 | lcuk | depends if you are the poster or not |
| 17:14.10 | Stskeeps | tries to build qt4-maemo |
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| 17:20.19 | Stskeeps | heh, the "Where is Nokia.." thread, 22k views, but not a single thanks to thread starter (frank.wagner) :> |
| 17:20.55 | qwerty12 | Maybe someone will thank him when he writes a post that you can actually understand |
| 17:21.12 | VDVsx | lol |
| 17:21.27 | b-man | Stskeeps: updated merinstaller for 0.9 :) |
| 17:21.37 | Stskeeps | b-man: ta |
| 17:21.58 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: i think it's actually just stenography sending out confidential nokia information |
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| 17:22.40 | mbroadst | hi, is qt4.garage.maemo.org the best resource to use for getting qt apps running on my n810? |
| 17:22.59 | Stskeeps | believes so |
| 17:23.49 | mbroadst | thanks |
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| 17:24.10 | mbroadst | just figured when nokia bought tt qt might be integrated |
| 17:24.36 | Stskeeps | it'll come in harmattan officially :P |
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| 17:25.01 | mbroadst | is that r5? |
| 17:25.18 | pupnik | i think Stskeeps gets my #1 hero award atm |
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| 17:25.38 | Stskeeps | mbroadst: it's not next release but next again |
| 17:25.59 | mbroadst | cool, well thanks a lot Stskeeps |
| 17:26.13 | Stskeeps | but the qt part itself is maturing rapidly it seems |
| 17:26.19 | AStorm | so g will be skipped like e was? ;P |
| 17:26.23 | konttori__ | has been working this weekend with fremantle theme support. Also made the debian source package creation to be part of theme maker. |
| 17:26.28 | VDVsx | mbroadst, next release is fremantle (maemo 5) after that harmattan :) |
| 17:26.53 | Stskeeps | konttori__: woo, :) |
| 17:27.18 | konttori__ | hasn't yet tested the new source package upload to the maemo.org servers, but that's up next. |
| 17:27.24 | konttori__ | probably still stuff missing. |
| 17:27.42 | konttori__ | will test with diablo theme packages, so nothing to see on those tests. |
| 17:28.17 | Stskeeps | ponders if theme maker would run on top of openjdk on top of mer on tablets |
| 17:28.40 | benson | Stskeeps: Stenography or steganography? |
| 17:28.41 | konttori__ | Stskeeps: well, it's really quite easy to just re-write theme maker on python and just use that |
| 17:28.43 | benson | It looks like shorthand, but any actual Nokia info is obviously concealed, so maybe both. |
| 17:29.00 | konttori__ | or, just instead to use the nokias own theme tools that are available as well. |
| 17:29.00 | Stskeeps | benson: heheh :> |
| 17:29.05 | Stskeeps | konttori__: probably :) |
| 17:29.09 | Stskeeps | konttori__: still cool if possible :> |
| 17:29.30 | konttori__ | otoh, the pixmap used in the source image is so big that n810 probably would run out of heap size when handling it |
| 17:29.38 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 17:29.42 | konttori__ | (rover theme is 10 000 pixels wide source image) |
| 17:30.01 | konttori__ | eh. my test theme. |
| 17:30.30 | Stskeeps | yeah.. really looking forward to seeing the ui when time is |
| 17:31.01 | konttori__ | It will be revelaled in steps, I can tell you only that now. |
| 17:31.11 | Stskeeps | yep |
| 17:31.26 | konttori__ | but, the first display is already really nice to see. - and should come in the alpha sdk afaik. |
| 17:32.09 | konttori__ | what was the web based interface to upload source packages to the servers? |
| 17:32.09 | Stskeeps | hehe, hildon-welcome with animated startup screen sounds fun already :P |
| 17:32.27 | qwerty12 | konttori__, https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php |
| 17:32.42 | konttori__ | umm,,, what is that? (the welcome part) |
| 17:32.45 | t_s_o | hey qwerty12, guess what just got updated ;) |
| 17:32.50 | konttori__ | and thanks for the extras assistant |
| 17:32.58 | konttori__ | why does that require a changes file? |
| 17:33.07 | Stskeeps | konttori__: well there's code laying on stage for playing a media file at startup or something :P |
| 17:33.13 | konttori__ | needs to add that not to the to-do as well. |
| 17:33.18 | qwerty12 | t_s_o, no idea, but you've got me curious now ;) |
| 17:33.27 | t_s_o | epdfview :) |
| 17:33.54 | qwerty12 | lol, that actually works for you? I gave up when it segfaulted on my tablet when I pressed down |
| 17:33.56 | Stskeeps | konttori__: (.. probably because the nokia hands logo is exceedingily boring to watch for more then 5 seconds ;) |
| 17:34.09 | konttori__ | Stskeeps: sounds good. so, now I can have entire season of frasier to show before my tablet starts? |
| 17:34.17 | Stskeeps | something like that, yeah |
| 17:34.17 | t_s_o | qwerty12: it works, it just depends on the size of the pdf in question ;) |
| 17:34.29 | Stskeeps | or teletubbies episodes |
| 17:35.23 | qwerty12 | t_s_o, the update does sound good. let me see if I can apply the hildonisations to it easily |
| 17:35.27 | RST38h | "We don't provide the "easy to program for" console that (developers) want, because "easy to program for" means that anybody will be able to take advantage of pretty much what the hardware can do, so then the question is, what do you do for the rest of the nine-and-a-half years?" -- Sony Computer Entertainment CEO |
| 17:35.42 | konttori__ | Stskeeps: I would have something like this to start... http://electricsheep.org/index.cgi?&menu=samples |
| 17:35.54 | konttori__ | the HQ version is just stunning. |
| 17:35.59 | pupnik | that is real or a joke, RST38h |
| 17:36.27 | RST38h | pupnik: Real, as always with Sony |
| 17:36.28 | Stskeeps | RST38h: wtf :P |
| 17:37.29 | RST38h | Sts: Just shows how detached from reality Sony execs are |
| 17:38.16 | Stskeeps | RST38h: they are actually lobsters uploaded into the internet. |
| 17:38.39 | RST38h | can't exclude this possibility |
| 17:39.08 | RST38h | After all the "statements" they made like the statement that "PS3 will be expensive, very expensive, because it is such a good console" |
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| 17:40.29 | benson | It was true - PS3 is expensive, very expensive. |
| 17:41.01 | benson | Nobody knows if it's a good console, because they can't afford it. ;) |
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| 17:45.25 | RST38h | can say the same about Wii: wherever he looked in the US, it is out of stock |
| 17:46.21 | Stskeeps | wii is actually more tangible than ps3 for me.. i've seen them in action several times |
| 17:46.27 | Macer | RST38h: they are in stock now |
| 17:46.29 | Macer | :) |
| 17:46.32 | Stskeeps | only time i saw ps3 was on research on multicore :P |
| 17:46.56 | Macer | benson: it has an option to install linux |
| 17:47.13 | Macer | wonder how that works |
| 17:47.18 | Macer | considering it uses a cell cpu |
| 17:47.32 | Macer | SonyLINUX ? |
| 17:47.41 | qwerty12 | iirc, linux doesn't get full access to the hardware |
| 17:47.43 | Macer | with a lgpl lic :) |
| 17:47.47 | Macer | haha |
| 17:48.09 | Macer | qwerty12: such as? |
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| 17:49.23 | qwerty12 | you can't use the hardware acceleration or something |
| 17:49.33 | Jaffa | af'noon |
| 17:49.36 | benson | Just runs PPC Linux, I think. As a slowish PPC. |
| 17:50.21 | benson | Because the Cell has PPC compatibility, or one of it's cores is a PPC, or something like that. |
| 17:50.59 | benson | wonders if any of the consoles are worth buying as a PC these days. |
| 17:51.03 | Jaffa | qwerty12: Never solved RISC OS needing relative movements which doesn't fit well with a touchscreen, and since it was pre-N810, input was tricky |
| 17:51.23 | qwerty12 | Jaffa, ah :/ |
| 17:51.40 | suihkulokki | dudes, you just google "playstation 3 linux" instead of just guessing |
| 17:52.12 | benson | Back when the xbox (original) came out, I was semi-seriously considering one to run Linux -- it was cheaper than equivalent hardware, but it was also not very impressive hardware. |
| 17:52.18 | qwerty12 | In my defence, I did google "linux ps3 restrictions" :) |
| 17:53.17 | Stskeeps | benson: xbmc looks amazing though :P |
| 17:53.41 | qwerty12 | old xbox has the sole purpose of running xbmc |
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| 18:01.55 | RST38h | Macer: Really? Crisis? =) |
| 18:02.45 | Macer | crisis? |
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| 18:09.50 | pupnik | !seen lardman |
| 18:10.06 | pupnik | :( |
| 18:10.07 | qwerty12 | ~seen lardman |
| 18:10.12 | infobot | lardman <n=vircuser@host-138-38-192-16.vpn.bath.ac.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5d 5h 33m 19s ago, saying: 'the one I have installed is supposed to work with the built-in browser, and it does, but has issues'. |
| 18:10.17 | pupnik | ty |
| 18:10.33 | lcuk | pupnik, hes globetrotting |
| 18:10.41 | lcuk | will be back in a couple of days |
| 18:11.24 | pupnik | ik |
| 18:11.51 | qwerty12 | t_s_o, untested: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/epdfview_0.1.7-8maemo3_armel.deb |
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| 18:15.36 | t_s_o | the wonders of internet and wireless connections. downloaded to pc, bluetooth transfer and now installing |
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| 18:16.28 | ssvb | benson: having played with it a bit, I don't think PS3 is a good replacement for desktop PC, you are probably better getting a quad core x86 system :) |
| 18:17.12 | ssvb | benson: anyway, it is interesting to experiment with ppc64 linux |
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| 18:18.35 | t_s_o | qwerty12: seems to work ok, except that when using full screen it defaults to "zoom to fit" and the toolbar is hidden even tho its still checked in the menu... |
| 18:20.55 | qwerty12 | odd, toolbar should work (the arguments passed to hildon_window_add_toolbar seem to be the same in this version) but I'll take a proper look at it sometime later |
| 18:24.53 | t_s_o | err, it works in window mode, but goes hidden in full screen even tho its still seen as activated in the menu |
| 18:25.43 | qwerty12 | Oh, that's not specific to the hildon version |
| 18:25.45 | t_s_o | ah, i see. its the default behavior of the desktop version. hide menus and go zoom to fit when switching to full screen |
| 18:26.56 | t_s_o | i wonder if there is some way to speed up its page rendering, as its clearly slower then evince... |
| 18:30.25 | t_s_o | still, just being able to have a toolbar in fullscreen mode is useful... |
| 18:31.20 | qwerty12 | I may make it look up the setting but I really don't see the point in any more work when Evince clearly excels it in terms of performance |
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| 18:34.29 | t_s_o | heh, true. it could be simpler to get evince to show the toolbar in full screen mode |
| 18:34.50 | timeless | does evince do find? |
| 18:34.58 | timeless | and fit content area to screen? |
| 18:35.07 | timeless | and view as text? |
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| 18:36.07 | t_s_o | find yes, select, only the whole page |
| 18:36.25 | t_s_o | as for show as text, neither evince nor epdfviewer do that from what i can tell |
| 18:37.16 | t_s_o | or maybe i was a bit quick giving evince the speed price... |
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| 18:48.01 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, with patch you gave me i get WPA: Invalid EAPOL-Key MIC when using TPTK - ignoring TPTK after association with AP |
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| 19:06.42 | slonopotamus | hit http://hostap.epitest.fi/bugz/show_bug.cgi?id=113 |
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| 19:13.45 | binky | Hi. |
| 19:16.25 | slonopotamus | Hi. |
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| 19:17.59 | binky | Can someone help me with this? I cloned the OS to my MMC, but don't know why now there are 4 partitions: one with the OS, another FAT (which mounts as MMC), swap and another OS! don't know why. Now I want to remove the second OS and use it as another "memory card" mounting it at /media/mmc2 and using a symlink. How can I erase it? mkfs.vfat and where it's mounted? |
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| 19:20.26 | binky | well, I guess I'd have to unmount it first... |
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| 19:27.24 | binky | yeah |
| 19:28.12 | Macer | i'm watching the fed chair get drilled by the senate banking committee |
| 19:28.15 | Macer | :) how fun |
| 19:29.59 | Myrtti | *ding* |
| 19:30.46 | binky | Macer, lol! |
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| 19:32.29 | Macer | uh oh.... senator schumer :) |
| 19:32.48 | ShadowJK | Are they asking anything intelligent and relevant, or are they still focusing on the past? |
| 19:32.57 | Macer | ShadowJK: senator schumer is |
| 19:33.00 | binky | Can someone tell me a command like "df" to see where things go mounted? |
| 19:33.04 | Macer | you can tell he knows what he is talking about |
| 19:33.20 | Macer | the rest of the committee is only there to say they are on the banking committee and add it to their resume |
| 19:33.22 | ShadowJK | mount |
| 19:33.33 | binky | ShadowJK, thank you. |
| 19:33.49 | ShadowJK | cat /proc/mounts |
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| 19:33.52 | ShadowJK | cat /etc/fstab |
| 19:34.25 | Macer | if senator schumer wasn't from new york. he would have made a good fed chair haha |
| 19:34.28 | binky | ShadowJK, I don't know almost anything about USA (I don't know even if Schumer is from USA), but sure they're most intelligent than spanish ones. |
| 19:35.21 | binky | Last electoral debate (debate? I said it right?), both candidates made a bet to see who'd get fastest in a context the name of Javier Bardem and say it there. |
| 19:35.47 | Macer | oh wait.. i was wrong.. they are still blaming him :) |
| 19:35.53 | udovdh | dmesg says: [49449.320312] DSP Pausing failed, skipping OP change! |
| 19:36.05 | udovdh | while dumping from wlan |
| 19:36.12 | Macer | you have to love it when a senator opens up with "you studied the great depression" |
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| 19:36.16 | Macer | haha |
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| 19:37.05 | lcuk | ive just been reading an article about tweaking and optimizing windows, and something struck a nerve - we are about to have tracker on the next device to parse and monitor our media |
| 19:37.05 | udovdh | but did *he* learn from it? |
| 19:37.13 | lcuk | reading this: |
| 19:37.24 | lcuk | Vista's file indexing sounds like a good idea in theory: maintaining an index of files contained on the hard drive along with details of their properties to help speed up searching. But in reality searching for files is something that most people do on a very infrequent basis, so it's wasteful for Windows to spend any time monitoring files when that processor time could be put to much better use. |
| 19:37.37 | qwerty12_N800 | ukki: what's happened to solmumaha? :p |
| 19:37.48 | t_s_o | i really love how google is able to correct something as "obscure" as cthulhu ;) |
| 19:37.59 | lcuk | are we gonna encounter similar issues with the indexer mashing its way through? |
| 19:38.11 | udovdh | implement desktop search that way |
| 19:38.15 | udovdh | market clevery |
| 19:38.16 | udovdh | ??? |
| 19:38.17 | ukki | qwerty12_N800: he left the maemo scene |
| 19:38.19 | udovdh | profit!! |
| 19:38.31 | qwerty12_N800 | t_s_o: hey, it corrects maemo too, don't knock it! ;) |
| 19:38.42 | t_s_o | :P |
| 19:38.46 | Macer | lcuk: does indexing take up that much of the cpu? |
| 19:38.52 | qwerty12_N800 | ukki: hehe, shame, i liked that guy :p |
| 19:38.57 | konttori__ | lcuk: tracker runs at idle priority. thus, it will not hit app perf. |
| 19:38.59 | lcuk | Macer, not sure yet, but on a desktop system it appears to |
| 19:39.05 | Macer | i could understand the initial indexing. but afterwards :) it probably uses .001% of the cpu |
| 19:39.12 | udovdh | check out e.g. beagle for an idea? |
| 19:39.15 | konttori__ | well, indexing runs at idle. when queries are made, tracker runs at higher prio |
| 19:39.22 | Macer | it probably taxes the hd much more than the c pu |
| 19:39.25 | lcuk | hiya konttori__, it just twinges a nerve (same one we half discussed at the summit lol) |
| 19:39.28 | binky | ShadowJK, ok, and to see the size or the used bytes of /dev/mmcblk0p* (where * is 1, 2...) |
| 19:39.54 | Macer | summit? |
| 19:39.57 | lcuk | as long as we are safe from runaway processes thats alright |
| 19:40.04 | konttori__ | lcuk: well, tracker only indexes the user files, so any hidden directories, or application data is not indexed - nor monitored |
| 19:40.17 | konttori__ | thus, it's not handling inotify events all the time. |
| 19:40.25 | lcuk | yeah and if i swap memory cards often or change data a lot |
| 19:40.29 | lcuk | ie lots of new photos.. |
| 19:40.35 | lcuk | big 5mp photos |
| 19:40.46 | konttori__ | sure, those are the processor consuming times |
| 19:41.12 | lcuk | yes, the tracker will be reading it whilst the photo app is trying to read it to show it |
| 19:41.28 | ShadowJK | double the memory pressure :) |
| 19:41.44 | lcuk | thats what im thinking, its why it twinges |
| 19:41.53 | lcuk | i hope its fine :) |
| 19:42.26 | konttori__ | lcuk: if both are accessign it at the same time, kernel caches the data and it's very efficient for both to access it at the same time |
| 19:42.34 | Macer | this bank nationalization will not work |
| 19:42.36 | ShadowJK | Perhaps worse than memory pressure is that SD/MMC dislikes non-sequential reads :) |
| 19:42.47 | lcuk | does tracker do the thumbnailing as well? |
| 19:42.57 | konttori__ | yeah, it does thumbs as well |
| 19:43.06 | konttori__ | for videos, images and album art for music files |
| 19:43.10 | lcuk | i think you mentioned there was a way to do a manual update |
| 19:43.11 | ShadowJK | konttori__, that only works as long as they're both accessing files within a tiny window afforded by RAM |
| 19:43.30 | lcuk | ie take picture, call in sync the thumbnailer, then show it all in sequence? |
| 19:43.34 | konttori__ | ShadowJK: sure, but that was the case lcuk was presenting |
| 19:44.01 | lcuk | it becomes useful if its in sync because then the thumbnail is available for use directly by the app generating the data |
| 19:44.05 | timeless | will mmap do something remotely sane if you're lucky? |
| 19:44.11 | konttori__ | lcuk: we use epeg for thumbnailing, so it's blazing fast for photos |
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| 19:44.56 | ShadowJK | konttori__, but will he be viewing photos at the same speed as they're indexed? :-) |
| 19:45.14 | konttori__ | ShadowJK: sorry, I don't get it. what do you mean? |
| 19:45.16 | timeless | objects to assigning gender to a device |
| 19:45.41 | binky | any ideas for that? I want to see the size of /dev/mmcblk0p* because I can't mount them and i want to format one of them (although I don't know which) |
| 19:46.17 | lcuk | i have a gstreamer stream. i tell it to save an image. that call is in sync. i want my next action to be something like tracker_ensureupdated(newfilename); and to have everything in sync so i can at my next operation grab a thumbnail and render iit on the canvas |
| 19:46.53 | timeless | lcuk: i hope you aren't blocking the ui waiting on tracker |
| 19:46.58 | lcuk | i can *only* grab a thumbnail if the tracker caching has occured |
| 19:47.04 | timeless | because that'd always be bad |
| 19:47.10 | ShadowJK | konttori__, 2 or more gigabytes of new data to go through. Doesn't fit in ram. Once the thumbnail making and indexing has processed 30 megs or so, the first pictures start getting evicted from ram, and if he then tries to view things, the two processes will be fighting for disk access and ram.. I'm saying caching doesn't help much here :) |
| 19:47.57 | konttori__ | sure, there will always be cases, where there are io issues. |
| 19:48.09 | timeless | shadowjk: i think it's reasonable to hope that they'll test these cases |
| 19:48.10 | lcuk | timeless, no, but the alternative is to simply load the jpeg in realtime as i do now |
| 19:48.10 | konttori__ | otoh, SD cards are pretty fast these days |
| 19:48.19 | timeless | if you're truly afraid, write up a testcase |
| 19:48.23 | timeless | we can make sure it's tested |
| 19:48.31 | lcuk | timeless, tis discussion for now |
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| 19:48.43 | ukki | my house has been invaded by lesbian shrews :( |
| 19:48.53 | Myrtti | congrats? |
| 19:49.01 | lcuk | photos or it didnt happen |
| 19:49.02 | timeless | ukki: tame one and keep her? |
| 19:49.20 | ShadowJK | konttori__, be sure to test them on non-sequential access.. those I have really hate it, they degrade to 4-30kbyte/s if many apps are trying to read at teh same time :/ |
| 19:49.32 | ukki | i've been catching them the whole weekend |
| 19:49.54 | lcuk | how do you know they are lesbians? |
| 19:49.57 | ukki | i take them out and soon they are munching my living room carpet again |
| 19:50.02 | lcuk | lolol |
| 19:50.11 | timeless | looks at a wikipedia article for someone matching ukki's real name |
| 19:50.12 | lcuk | now gets it |
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| 19:50.29 | timeless | is that person still MIA? |
| 19:50.44 | ukki | and it woke my wife up by sniffing her hair |
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| 19:52.22 | timeless | pokes ukki about his namesake |
| 19:52.41 | konttori__ | ShadowJK: well, indexing really is usually quite fast operation. Tracker extract extracts about 50 songs a sec. I cannot recall the speed of image indexing, but thumbnailing takes about 0.1 secs or 0.2 secs for 5 MP image (that you or lcuk mentioned), if my memory serves me right). So, 50 songs is about 250 MB of music per sec, so your case of 2 Gb would take about 10 secs. Of course, there are slow downs in certain cases, e.g. vb |
| 19:52.54 | Macer | rihanna has the herpes |
| 19:53.15 | ShadowJK | "e.g. v"<cutoff> |
| 19:53.24 | lcuk | lol macer, thats a strange continuation to konttori__'s post |
| 19:53.26 | timeless | vb? |
| 19:53.36 | timeless | btw, a 2gb module is a joke |
| 19:53.45 | timeless | if you aren't handling 8gb ... |
| 19:54.06 | ukki | timeless: what do you mean mia? |
| 19:54.30 | timeless | missing in action |
| 19:54.40 | ukki | yes, that i know :) |
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| 19:54.53 | timeless | and you know your name, so look it up in en.wikipedia |
| 19:54.56 | konttori__ | timeless: vbr variable bit rate - thus, to calculate the total length somewhat correctly, you need to evaluate a lot of frames of music to come up with average bit rate to do the calculation of total duration of a song. |
| 19:55.12 | timeless | i can't paste a link because my irc connection isn't utf8 safe |
| 19:55.21 | ukki | ah |
| 19:55.27 | konttori__ | of course, mp3 files do not actually contain the duration in the headers at all. |
| 19:55.30 | timeless | konttori: even my media collection is 7g |
| 19:55.31 | konttori__ | well, next to never. |
| 19:55.35 | ukki | well i'm not that guy :) |
| 19:55.43 | timeless | ukki: i assumed as much |
| 19:55.48 | timeless | but that wasn't the question |
| 19:56.06 | ShadowJK | konttori__, actually wouldn't it be wiser to try make sure that background indexing doesn't add to memory pressure, that is, make sure what it goes through doesn't get cached in ram? |
| 19:56.07 | ukki | he did the richey edwards |
| 19:56.08 | konttori__ | timeless: yeah, and I have test data of so and so many gigs, but really, I just mentioned the 2 because someone else was referring to that |
| 19:56.51 | timeless | asks windows how much space this 6.9gb collection o f mp3s would cost |
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| 19:57.25 | timeless | :(. mp3s don't get very good compression |
| 19:57.40 | timeless | it's the difference between 6.9gb on disk and 6.91gb |
| 19:58.29 | timeless | ponders |
| 19:58.36 | timeless | what portion of content is vbr these days? |
| 19:58.49 | timeless | i have 250 'songs' in my ~7gb 'collection' |
| 19:59.03 | konttori__ | ShadowJK: well, tracker really only reads as few blocks of data as possible. e.g. for a mp3 it first tries to read the first and last 512 bytes to see id3 format. then, if needed, it will read a few blocks more and that's it for a music file. |
| 19:59.11 | konttori__ | really doens't do much io |
| 19:59.17 | benson | Yay! My new N810 survived a bath! |
| 19:59.22 | timeless | has ~2000 pictures in ~2gb of data |
| 19:59.33 | timeless | benson: you clearly haven't read the owners manual |
| 19:59.46 | timeless | because it's listed as a No No |
| 19:59.54 | ShadowJK | Sometimes after I've put my tablet down and the screen has switched off, it has watchdog-rebooted. I never investigated, but assumed it was because of the memory pressure from indexing pushing stuff to swap, ending up in reboot when dsme (or whatever pokes the watchdog) got blocked waiting for swapin, and the average queue length exceeding 30sec or so at that point |
| 20:00.14 | derf | If mp3s got good compression, something would be seriously wrong with them. |
| 20:00.26 | ShadowJK | (and it stopped doing that after I reduced the queue length for the memory cards) |
| 20:00.34 | benson | timeless: Hence the yay; surviving no-nos is remarkable. |
| 20:01.34 | ShadowJK | Rodney in stargate atlantis was bathing with his tablet, they should cope with it! |
| 20:01.41 | ShadowJK | ;) |
| 20:02.33 | lcuk | egyptian stone tablets CAN be bathed |
| 20:02.40 | benson | N800s have been known to function and play music while fully submerged; N810s apparently not so good. |
| 20:02.58 | benson | The screen was already starting to short before I go the battery pulled. |
| 20:03.23 | ShadowJK | it has openings everywhere, how could it not short being submerged :) |
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| 20:03.31 | benson | But a few hours of hot air drying later, and it seems fine. |
| 20:03.57 | benson | Well, water is a good insulator. _Anything_ dissolved in water isn't. |
| 20:04.15 | benson | So maybe that guy's pond was purer than my bathwater. |
| 20:04.32 | ShadowJK | iirc there was a note in the N810 box, or maybe the manual, that said Nokia had used the same size screws everywhere |
| 20:04.40 | ShadowJK | if that's true that's nice for times like that :) |
| 20:05.32 | benson | Yeah, but I couldn't find my bitty torxes anyway, so I just dried it whole. Woulda been faster if I could have disassembled it. |
| 20:06.07 | ShadowJK | I have a bunch of torxes, but they're all the wrong size whenever I need one. |
| 20:06.08 | ShadowJK | :/ |
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| 20:14.08 | binky | If I didn't get an answer before, why'd I get it now? Meh. Does anybody know a command to know the size of /dev/mmcblk0p* without mounting it? |
| 20:14.22 | binky | feels idiot because of asking the same thing 4 times. |
| 20:16.08 | Jaffa | binky: fdisk? cat /proc/partitions? |
| 20:16.36 | binky | sh: fdisk: not found (...shit...) |
| 20:17.06 | binky | OOOK! It worked |
| 20:17.17 | binky | Thank you veryyyy much, Jaffa! |
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| 20:44.37 | wazd | hey-hey world) |
| 20:45.10 | Stskeeps | lo wazd |
| 20:45.41 | Stskeeps | wazd: saw http://www.valeriovalerio.org/?p=214 ? |
| 20:46.05 | binky | hi wazd |
| 20:46.28 | wazd | any brainsmashing news while I was offline?) |
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| 20:47.42 | binky | BBC said that Obama announced worldwide peace, but it linked to Never Gonna Give You Up, so... |
| 20:47.57 | binky | nothing new. |
| 20:48.14 | Proteous | heh |
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| 20:48.30 | RST38bis | remoo |
| 20:48.39 | wazd | Stskeeps, yep, already saw that |
| 20:48.47 | wazd | RST38bis: hola) |
| 20:49.19 | binky | btw, can you guys help me? I want to get a partition mounted at boot instead of another one as the memory card (I'm booting from OS) |
| 20:49.25 | RST38bis | heya wazd |
| 20:49.27 | binky | (from MMC, I mean) |
| 20:49.42 | wazd | Stskeeps: Well, taskswitcher looks nice |
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| 20:51.43 | binky | ideas, anyone? |
| 20:51.51 | wazd | Stskeeps: btw, any good news from Shutter77 with icons?) |
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| 20:57.50 | konttori__ | can anyone help me: why am I getting this error: "dpkg-source: warning: source directory `./nuvopearl' is not <sourcepackage>-<upstreamversion> `nuvopearl-1.35'" |
| 20:58.26 | konttori__ | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/nuvopearl_1.35/i386.build.log.FAILED.txt |
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| 20:59.39 | RST38bis | you have to rename source dir |
| 21:00.02 | RST38bis | so that it corresponds to the package name |
| 21:00.49 | Macer | i think i will get a ps3 |
| 21:00.58 | Macer | just for sf4 |
| 21:01.00 | Macer | :) |
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| 21:02.46 | fireun | Macer: and killzone2! |
| 21:03.10 | Macer | florida is going to lose... too bad |
| 21:03.19 | mbroadst | any ideas why "sudo gainroot" wouldn't work? trying to follow this guide for cpu transparency here... |
| 21:03.47 | konttori__ | RST38bis: so, I'll have to have source dir so that it includes the version number? |
| 21:04.24 | Macer | almost done! i hope this crap works |
| 21:04.58 | konttori__ | thanks. seems to be working. ... perhaps. |
| 21:05.26 | Macer | wow.. the dude from firefly/serenity is in a new show |
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| 21:06.05 | konttori__ | RST38bis: thanks for the help |
| 21:06.06 | RST38bis | konttori: yep |
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| 21:09.51 | thresh | hey folks, keep getting: Write failed after 0 bytes when trying to flash n810 with "latest" release from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php. any clues? |
| 21:12.54 | lcuk | igagis, theremin loses sound capability after minimized for a while and restored. i just brought it back and its silent |
| 21:13.41 | igagis1 | lcuk: hm, I did not see such bug, will investigate |
| 21:14.05 | lcuk | it works again correctly after restarting |
| 21:14.06 | igagis1 | lcuk: btw I looked at liqbase, very nice and incredibly fast |
| 21:14.12 | lcuk | yeah, tis :) |
| 21:14.33 | igagis1 | ok, that's better that restart restores the sound |
| 21:14.52 | konttori__ | RST38h: so, what is the root for the debian install file? my first line is: "images" "/usr/share/themes/nuvopearl/images/" |
| 21:15.01 | igagis1 | looks like you are trying to come up with some new ui concept for mibile devices? |
| 21:15.05 | konttori__ | but I'm getting: cp: cannot stat `./"images"': No such file or directory |
| 21:15.07 | igagis1 | mobile* |
| 21:15.12 | lcuk | igagis, its not new to me :) |
| 21:15.23 | konttori__ | while, images is in the root of the source package. |
| 21:15.56 | igagis1 | lcuk: I saw your video on youtube about your new thing under development |
| 21:16.19 | igagis1 | where you mess the images on the screen :-) that's fun |
| 21:16.57 | lcuk | yeah, its relaxing |
| 21:17.15 | konttori__ | thresh: sorry, I don't have any idea. perhaps USB. Or perhaps old version of the flasher tool |
| 21:17.24 | konttori__ | or, perhaps invalid file |
| 21:17.38 | thresh | i think i'll boot to linux |
| 21:17.39 | igagis1 | lcuk: btw, I think that the future is finger friandly ui |
| 21:17.51 | igagis1 | lcuk: stylus is almost dead |
| 21:18.29 | lcuk | never |
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| 21:18.42 | lcuk | fingerpainting is for kids |
| 21:19.10 | lcuk | but a big touch friendly ui (which i can still use just as well with my stylus) is required |
| 21:19.58 | igagis1 | well, painting is not a finger task, agree, but much of the other stuff is more convenient when there's large buttons and you can easily hit them and no need to take the stilys every time |
| 21:20.01 | binky | igagis, wth is theremin? Tell me it's a theremin-like app for the tablets! It would be amazing! |
| 21:20.49 | igagis1 | lcuk: yes, finger ui is good, but stylus should be present also for such tasks as sketching |
| 21:20.59 | igagis1 | binky: it is my new app |
| 21:21.02 | igagis1 | binky |
| 21:21.09 | lcuk | i like the plectrum on new devices |
| 21:21.14 | igagis1 | binky: a musical instrument much like a theremin |
| 21:21.18 | binky | :o |
| 21:21.36 | lcuk | was strumming his 810 last night |
| 21:21.36 | binky | but tablets hasn't a acelerometer or something like it |
| 21:21.58 | binky | (I built myself a crappy theremin, I know how it works like) |
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| 21:22.06 | binky | How does it work then? |
| 21:22.14 | lcuk | binky, igagis's theremin and jagernot's boxar prove this device has potential |
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| 21:22.19 | lcuk | nicely actually |
| 21:22.36 | lcuk | igagis, give him a link |
| 21:22.42 | igagis1 | binky: well theremin similarity is only that the app allows controlling pitch and volume continuously |
| 21:22.47 | binky | will them work with 770 with OS2008HE? |
| 21:22.49 | igagis1 | just a minute |
| 21:22.58 | binky | but you can't multitouch |
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| 21:23.12 | binky | well, you can emulate it with liqbase, but... it isn't the same |
| 21:23.23 | lcuk | binky, mmmn technicality - BUT i have multitouch type thing in liqbase |
| 21:23.25 | igagis1 | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/theremin/ |
| 21:23.54 | lcuk | binky, the multitouch i have (i believe) will feasibly work for 2 fingered drumming |
| 21:24.01 | igagis1 | binky: you will need installing some C++ stuff also, gtkmm libs etc. |
| 21:24.06 | lcuk | since drums are poking the screen and dont act as strokes |
| 21:24.06 | binky | I'll give it a try JUST now. =) |
| 21:24.20 | binky | thank you, I'll see. |
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| 21:24.29 | binky | looks promising. |
| 21:24.31 | igagis1 | apt-get install libcairomm-1.0-1 libglibmm-2.4-1c2a libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a libhildon-fmmm libhildonmm libsigc++-2.0-0c2a |
| 21:24.42 | igagis1 | will install all that is needed for C++ libs |
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| 21:27.22 | igagis1 | thinks about recording a video, playing simple melody with maemo theremin. Maybe next week... :-) |
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| 21:28.33 | thresh | yeah, as always, linux works fine |
| 21:28.38 | thresh | bloody osx |
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| 21:47.31 | igagis1 | btw, some time ago, quite recently, I made USB mouse working with tablet, but after that I lost interest and did not public the solution, if anyone interested I can say how to do it, it is easy, but requires recompiling xomap. |
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| 21:48.35 | Macer | some dude stopped to help people on the highway that flipped over.. they jumped him and stole his car |
| 21:48.45 | Macer | bet that's the last time he ever stops for someone on the highway ever again |
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| 21:49.29 | Macer | only in the burbs.. people in the city know better than to stop for strangers in a flipped car on the side of the road |
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| 21:50.26 | t_s_o | the behavior seems nearly savage :( |
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| 21:59.59 | GeneralAntilles | lol, Jaffa got a thumb |
| 22:00.03 | GeneralAntilles | I wonder who from. . . . |
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| 22:03.45 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I can't imagine :-/ |
| 22:08.12 | GeneralAntilles | gnuton, ping? |
| 22:08.38 | lcuk | ouch jaffa, is that the first time anyones thumbed you |
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| 22:10.11 | gnuton | GeneralAntilles: pong |
| 22:10.15 | Jaffa | lcuk: Nah, had a few before |
| 22:10.20 | GeneralAntilles | gnuton, where are you guys tracking bugs? |
| 22:10.20 | Jaffa | 'll live |
| 22:10.28 | Jaffa | Actually, I'll sleep. |
| 22:10.31 | Jaffa | g'night |
| 22:10.35 | lcuk | gnite |
| 22:10.42 | GeneralAntilles | Later, Jaffa. |
| 22:12.12 | gnuton | GeneralAntilles: we have a bug tracker at qt4.garage.maemo.org as any other project in garage... |
| 22:12.20 | GeneralAntilles | gnuton, ouch. . . . |
| 22:12.26 | GeneralAntilles | How about bugs.maemo.org? |
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| 22:13.58 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, I'm assuming we'd be OK moving a Qt component from Extras to Official Platform around the time Harmattan rolls around, right? |
| 22:16.19 | andre__ | yepp, i think so |
| 22:16.47 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, should we just go ahead and make the QA contacts @maemo.bugs to save pain transitioning later? |
| 22:17.09 | andre__ | i can do that, yupp |
| 22:17.18 | andre__ | any subcomponents in mind> |
| 22:17.19 | andre__ | ? |
| 22:17.24 | GeneralAntilles | gnuton? |
| 22:17.47 | GeneralAntilles | Actually, where is maemo-gtk? |
| 22:18.06 | andre__ | it's a component, no product |
| 22:18.12 | GeneralAntilles | Right |
| 22:18.26 | GeneralAntilles | So eventually we'll need to turn Qt into a component instead of a product. |
| 22:18.33 | GeneralAntilles | So I guess we only want one component. |
| 22:18.42 | andre__ | yepp, let's have a "general" |
| 22:18.47 | lcuk | isnt there like 9gazillion products within |
| 22:19.29 | gnuton | GeneralAntilles: what's the problem to have our tracker? if that is the problem... |
| 22:19.55 | gnuton | ours |
| 22:20.29 | GeneralAntilles | Well, the only problem is that Garage's tracker sucks ,and is user- and developer-hostile. ;) |
| 22:20.42 | andre__ | in the long run (if qt becomes official) it will move to bugs.maemo.org |
| 22:20.51 | GeneralAntilles | s/if/when/ |
| 22:20.58 | GeneralAntilles | (when being Harmattan) |
| 22:21.04 | andre__ | but if you currently want to keep qt4.garage.maemo.org there's no urgent reason to move |
| 22:21.12 | andre__ | all as you like... at your service :) |
| 22:22.30 | gnuton | I think that Qt is okay.. and the tracker ther is enought... I don't think that it's so developer -hostile |
| 22:23.05 | andre__ | as you like... |
| 22:23.32 | GeneralAntilles | Well, _I'm_ not filing bugs, then. :P |
| 22:23.52 | gnuton | GeneralAntilles: :( |
| 22:24.30 | GeneralAntilles | bugs.maemo.org or bust! ;) |
| 22:24.45 | GeneralAntilles | I will tell you that your dialog buttons are reversed compared to Hildon, though. |
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| 22:25.27 | GeneralAntilles | was going to move this one to a Qt product https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4159 |
| 22:25.55 | gnuton | GeneralAntilles: I can switch to bugs.maemo.org without no problem |
| 22:26.16 | gnuton | but I need a bit of time for the migration. I've to close some bugs.. |
| 22:26.28 | GeneralAntilles | I can migrate bugs for you. |
| 22:26.44 | gnuton | GeneralAntilles: ok, perfect. You can do it now. |
| 22:27.03 | gnuton | or ASA you have a bit of time |
| 22:27.30 | GeneralAntilles | I see 3 open bugs, 2 feature requests, and 1 patch. |
| 22:27.32 | GeneralAntilles | Sound about right? |
| 22:27.50 | gnuton | it's right |
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| 22:29.18 | andre__ | created general-bugs@qt.garage.bugs |
| 22:29.28 | GeneralAntilles | Don't we want @maemo.bugs? |
| 22:29.54 | GeneralAntilles | When it comes time to make Qt an official product, we're going to have to change the QA contact and wont that be an issue for people watching? |
| 22:30.05 | andre__ | it won't be an issue |
| 22:30.13 | andre__ | i've tested that once |
| 22:31.00 | GeneralAntilles | OK |
| 22:31.29 | VDVsx | noob question: the bugzilla have some equivalent to "feature requests" ? |
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| 22:31.55 | andre__ | VDVsx, severity = enhancement |
| 22:32.10 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 22:32.44 | GeneralAntilles | gnuton, what versions do you want? |
| 22:32.59 | gnuton | GeneralAntilles: version of what? MAemo? Qt? |
| 22:33.05 | GeneralAntilles | Qt |
| 22:33.09 | GeneralAntilles | "4.5" ? |
| 22:33.10 | gnuton | Qt 4.4 and 4.5, |
| 22:33.16 | GeneralAntilles | OK |
| 22:33.21 | VDVsx | ah right like trac :) |
| 22:33.50 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, did you catch http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Administration_guide ? |
| 22:35.26 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, no. but it's cool. i have something here locally too and failed to put it into the wiki yet. hmm, can i watch every wikipage beginning with a "Bugs:" namespace? |
| 22:35.56 | andre__ | yay, that is way better than my messy text file here :-P |
| 22:36.17 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, somebody else asked about it and I think we need an extension. |
| 22:36.37 | GeneralAntilles | Be a good citizen and hit up http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Recentchanges every few days. ;) |
| 22:37.50 | pupnik | ty |
| 22:38.06 | andre__ | adds it to his startpage |
| 22:38.11 | GeneralAntilles | gnuton, https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Qt |
| 22:39.32 | GeneralAntilles | gnuton, you've got a duplicate bugzilla account @gmai.com |
| 22:48.22 | GeneralAntilles | gnuton, OK, migrated. |
| 22:49.26 | gnuton | GeneralAntilles: Ok, great! :D Thank you very much |
| 22:49.39 | andre__ | if i shall merge some bugzill accounts just say... |
| 22:49.41 | GeneralAntilles | I'm predicting your bug filing is going to go up. ;) |
| 22:50.06 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, I say yes, but talk to gnuton. |
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| 22:52.02 | ragadoo | hi |
| 22:53.30 | ragadoo | i'd like my own programs to be able to take still image shots with the built-in camera of a N810 or N800 tablet running Maemo |
| 22:53.34 | ragadoo | how do i do that? |
| 22:55.25 | GeneralAntilles | OpenPSA notification on newstyle.maemo.org . . . |
| 22:56.09 | derf | Whoa, it just got dark. |
| 22:56.22 | lcuk | pssst derf, thats called nighttime |
| 22:56.32 | derf | No, I mean, in like 5 seconds. |
| 22:56.40 | GeneralAntilles | Big storm? |
| 22:56.44 | lcuk | ahh, thunder on its way? |
| 22:56.57 | derf | We were supposed to get snow this afternoon. |
| 22:56.59 | derf | I guess it is here. |
| 22:57.42 | gnuton | GeneralAntilles: I'm still at the phone with my girl... but I'm in bugzilla.. |
| 22:58.22 | gnuton | GeneralAntilles: it's okay.. but it looks like the old my bug tracker.. so what's new? why the old one sucks? :P |
| 22:58.35 | gnuton | ragadoo: you can use GStreamer. |
| 22:58.41 | GeneralAntilles | gnuton, Garage is evil and painful |
| 22:58.46 | GeneralAntilles | Bugzilla is a lot better put together |
| 22:58.53 | GeneralAntilles | Easier on reporters and easier on developers |
| 22:59.29 | GeneralAntilles | Plus, it's centralized. |
| 22:59.40 | GeneralAntilles | You'll get a lot more potential reporters and a lot more eyes on your bugs. |
| 22:59.49 | GeneralAntilles | Most people don't bother to visit the Garage trackers. |
| 23:00.03 | lcuk | wants bug tracking and reporting directly from the app |
| 23:00.11 | GeneralAntilles | Whereas there are at least a half-dozen people who look at every bug that comes through Bugzilla. |
| 23:00.14 | gnuton | GeneralAntilles: :D ok. BTW I'm happy to use Bugzilla now.. |
| 23:00.18 | GeneralAntilles | doesn't. |
| 23:00.36 | GeneralAntilles | gnuton, anyway, you were gonna have to move eventually. :P |
| 23:00.38 | gnuton | lcuk: me too :D |
| 23:00.42 | GeneralAntilles | If not now, when Harmattan rolled around. |
| 23:00.44 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, obviously coupled with a normal web interface as well |
| 23:00.57 | andre__ | there is at least a crash reporter avilable in the repo |
| 23:01.01 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, crash reporting is one thing and email "bug reports" are another. |
| 23:01.11 | andre__ | errrm |
| 23:01.11 | lcuk | im not thinking either :) |
| 23:01.25 | andre__ | bug reporting from the app directly can be dangerous. depends on the userbase |
| 23:01.44 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, well, if the developers wants to process that then that's up to them. |
| 23:01.45 | andre__ | it's avilable in gnome evolution, and i once proposed to get rid of it |
| 23:02.00 | GeneralAntilles | What I _don't_ want to see is bugzilla filing from the application. ;) |
| 23:02.07 | GeneralAntilles | Since then you end up with tons and tons of dupes. |
| 23:02.07 | andre__ | ah. fine :) |
| 23:02.09 | lcuk | the user will have experessed an opinion that they are interested in seeing/reporting/helping/suggesting type |
| 23:02.30 | andre__ | because joe smith doesn't get the difference between software bug and misconfiguration |
| 23:02.38 | andre__ | and what forums are better suited for... |
| 23:02.46 | lcuk | and it shouldnt matter because the live documentation should let them know that |
| 23:03.03 | andre__ | has seen to many "cant send mail. plz help!!!" reports in his life |
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| 23:03.59 | lcuk | doesnt that tell you theres something wrong with the app though? |
| 23:04.03 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 23:04.03 | andre__ | yupp |
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| 23:04.08 | andre__ | in a kind of way it does |
| 23:04.13 | GeneralAntilles | Sometimes |
| 23:04.27 | andre__ | but still the amount of people unwilling to invest a very little bit of time is very high |
| 23:04.42 | andre__ | like your email provider telling you the ports and server url to use |
| 23:04.43 | lcuk | of course, if its out of their way they wont do it |
| 23:05.07 | andre__ | "hey, i just want to do email, why should i bother reading how it works?" |
| 23:05.10 | lcuk | andre__, we get that a lot in dayjob, "but outlook knows it" |
| 23:05.30 | lcuk | because the isp supplies a disk preconfigured with outlook settings |
| 23:05.39 | ragadoo | thx gnuton |
| 23:05.50 | andre__ | modest also provides default provider settings |
| 23:06.18 | lcuk | yes andre__ i know and im not knocking it, merely a response to your quote |
| 23:06.36 | ragadoo | is there some example code somewhere for accessing the N810/N800 camera with gstreamer? |
| 23:06.44 | andre__ | and i agree that software has to become more user friendly here :) |
| 23:07.19 | lcuk | the sooner we get fluid simple usable apps on this device, the better |
| 23:07.51 | lcuk | cant wait to see how fremantle is shaping up |
| 23:10.58 | andre__ | well, fremantle alpha was planned for february. so it should be out soon hopefully... |
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| 23:11.32 | lcuk | yeah |
| 23:11.36 | ragadoo | found it |
| 23:11.51 | lcuk | what? the fremantle alpha? |
| 23:12.40 | andre__ | probably not :-) |
| 23:14.57 | gnuton | ragadoo: you r welcome |
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| 23:19.15 | thresh | hey. how do i tell apt (or the frontend "application manager") to install software to custom paths? |
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| 23:23.36 | rdesfo | does any one know the command to create an ext3 partition |
| 23:24.07 | rdesfo | mkdosfs /dev/mmcblk0p$ creates a vfat partition |
| 23:24.17 | rdesfo | but I don't know the equivalent for ext3 |
| 23:24.28 | GeneralAntilles | rdesfo, did you install e2fsprogs? |
| 23:24.41 | rdesfo | no, do I need to for this? |
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| 23:42.32 | ragadoo | good night all |
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| 23:53.29 | gnuton | GeneralAntilles: I don't remember if I thanked you.. |
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| 23:53.34 | GeneralAntilles | For? |
| 23:53.43 | gnuton | GeneralAntilles: for the migration to bugzilla |
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| 23:53.49 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, sure, no worries. |
| 23:53.55 | GeneralAntilles | It's more selfish than anything. ;) |
| 23:54.14 | gnuton | GeneralAntilles: :D Btw where are you based? |
| 23:54.55 | GeneralAntilles | Florida, USA |
| 23:55.25 | gnuton | :D Ok, then I've a good memory.. |
| 23:55.27 | gnuton | :D |
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