| 00:00.00 | benson | Maybe only N800. |
| 00:00.09 | zakkm | b-man: what command should i use to unzip the tar properly? |
| 00:00.09 | benson | http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/nokia-decapitates-tablet-puppy-upgrades-to-n800/ |
| 00:00.09 | lcuk | it called you up and made mechanical noises down the line at you? |
| 00:00.09 | zakkm | just tar filename.tar ? |
| 00:00.33 | b-man | zakkm: gzip -d? |
| 00:00.54 | zakkm | so i do tar __.tar .. then gzip -d on the gzip file? |
| 00:01.17 | lcuk | im gonna get me some robot kit |
| 00:01.31 | benson | zakkm: tar xf filename.tar |
| 00:01.51 | benson | tar xzf filename.tar.gz |
| 00:02.01 | benson | (or .tgz, same thing.) |
| 00:02.19 | lcuk | right click, goto "send to" then click "compressed folder" |
| 00:02.43 | GeneralAntilles | files some bugs for lbt. |
| 00:03.01 | b-man | zakkm: tar -zvxf filename.tar.gz gzip -d filename |
| 00:03.10 | lcuk | with a pipe |
| 00:03.37 | b-man | tar -zvxf filename.tar.gz | gzip -d filename ;) |
| 00:03.51 | lcuk | tar -cp "$FOLDER" | gzip -c > "$FULLNAME" |
| 00:04.16 | zakkm | lcuk: is that to me? |
| 00:04.22 | b-man | yes |
| 00:04.45 | zakkm | didnt work ;p |
| 00:04.53 | lcuk | thats part what my ./kcup.sh does every time i want to .tar.gz my source folder |
| 00:05.05 | zakkm | oh your doing it other way ;p |
| 00:05.48 | qwerty12_N800 | that could be simplified, lcuk: tar czf "$FULLNAME" "$FOLDER" |
| 00:05.49 | lcuk | tars the folder, pipes the contents into gzip and sends the output to fullname |
| 00:06.14 | lcuk | probably can lol, thats the first time ive managed to understand it though! |
| 00:06.22 | b-man | hehe |
| 00:06.30 | lcuk | saw it as gobbledegoop until this evening |
| 00:06.42 | b-man | lol XD |
| 00:07.38 | zakkm | how long should this unzip take you think? |
| 00:07.50 | b-man | 5-10 minutes |
| 00:07.58 | zakkm | oh not bad |
| 00:08.40 | zakkm | is 2gb enough for linux partition ? |
| 00:09.17 | b-man | shure - but 3+ is recommended for gnome ;) |
| 00:09.46 | zakkm | well i want to use e17, but i mean would the unzip stop cause its more than 2gb? |
| 00:09.56 | zakkm | dont want gnome |
| 00:10.26 | b-man | no |
| 00:10.49 | b-man | it should not stop, unless you run out of space |
| 00:11.00 | zakkm | thats what i mean |
| 00:11.01 | b-man | witch is unlikely |
| 00:11.03 | zakkm | is 2gb enough space |
| 00:11.10 | b-man | shure |
| 00:11.56 | zakkm | aweesome |
| 00:12.05 | b-man | :D |
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| 00:12.43 | zakkm | hows speed? |
| 00:13.40 | Jaffa | wants to give sjgadsby double-thanks for http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=267719&postcount=432 |
| 00:13.42 | b-man | it's pritty fast, as long as you have some swap :) |
| 00:14.31 | b-man | uses gnome and it's verry responssive :) |
| 00:14.44 | zakkm | wow its done already |
| 00:14.47 | zakkm | okay :) |
| 00:15.00 | zakkm | so all the linux folders are in /mnt/jaunty |
| 00:15.12 | zakkm | now i do swap and bootmenu? |
| 00:15.31 | b-man | yes |
| 00:15.55 | zakkm | mkswap /dev/mmcblk1p3 |
| 00:16.00 | zakkm | should be 0p1... |
| 00:16.03 | zakkm | ahh |
| 00:16.06 | zakkm | 0p3 , not 1p3 |
| 00:16.15 | zakkm | i think? |
| 00:16.20 | b-man | yup |
| 00:17.08 | b-man | but also, remember to read the release notes for the rootstrap - there are some pritty important stuff you need to do first before booting;) |
| 00:17.17 | pupnik | i want to become the first man on earth to get laid |
| 00:17.29 | b-man | lol - too late XD |
| 00:17.33 | lcuk | arent you a bit late |
| 00:17.36 | pupnik | by holding up a card reading "mnt fsck?" to a girl at a bar |
| 00:17.49 | b-man | lol |
| 00:17.58 | lcuk | you would prolly still be late |
| 00:18.04 | pupnik | you might be right |
| 00:18.09 | lcuk | havent those commands come through from the '60s |
| 00:18.14 | b-man | XD |
| 00:18.44 | Jaffa | Wow, I think I might've got through to danramos (or, at least got a thanks ;-)) |
| 00:18.52 | guysoft42 | hey, i have installed install-tools.deb to flash my system to internal flash. but i upgraded the system and it wiped the bootloarder, how can i restore it? |
| 00:19.42 | b-man | ouch.. you might need to reflash |
| 00:20.04 | guysoft42 | b-man, reflash the initramfs? or the system? |
| 00:20.18 | guysoft42 | i b-man i can boot to the internal flash |
| 00:20.53 | b-man | system reflash, and yes you can |
| 00:22.39 | b-man | needs to go now, bye all |
| 00:22.52 | guysoft42 | b-man the system is fine.. i its just i carn't access the cloned system |
| 00:23.17 | guysoft42 | er - anyone else? how can one install the bootloader? |
| 00:23.46 | zakkm | sweet |
| 00:24.53 | zakkm | b-man: the bootmenu didnt add ubuntu? |
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| 00:31.14 | zakkm | b-man: i made the ubuntu.item and did refresh_bootmenu.d and went through it went fine but on reboot, theres no ubuntu choice |
| 00:33.37 | guysoft42 | um, what does "no dropbear in rootfs" mean when regarding the ssh keys? |
| 00:35.38 | lcuk | car analogy for the n900 >>>> http://www.ejb.com/video/19972/The_stinger.html |
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| 00:36.56 | tank-man | guysoft42, i think it means it will make new keys everytime you start dropbear from the bootmenu |
| 00:37.27 | guysoft42 | tank-man, its not the end of the world then, i thought it might need every boot |
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| 00:42.07 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I've gotten Thanks! before, too, but it doesn't seem to mean much. |
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| 00:44.48 | GeneralAntilles | "maemo and Freemantle" |
| 00:44.51 | GeneralAntilles | I mean . . . really. |
| 00:44.51 | zakkm | ahh b-man it wont boot |
| 00:45.16 | zakkm | pivot root and start /sbin/init.. |
| 00:45.19 | zakkm | it stays at |
| 00:46.13 | lcuk | ponders |
| 00:46.24 | Jaffa | lcuk: Council declaration? ;-) |
| 00:47.01 | lcuk | nahhh jaffa, im tired. mentally drained. |
| 00:47.19 | Jaffa | is pondering sleep (especially since reading http://blog.wired.com/geekdad/2009/02/10-tricks-to-ge.html) |
| 00:48.18 | lcuk | jaffa, damn good ideas! |
| 00:48.38 | lcuk | best being the books :) i havent finished the niven book i got a few months back |
| 00:49.14 | lcuk | mainly because the part i was upto was extracted from one of his short stories from years ago so ive already read it |
| 00:49.39 | lcuk | doesnt like rereading most books |
| 00:50.34 | zakkm | would anyone know how to fix my "booting ubuntu .. enabling ondemand governor, pushing the bt address, setting time from tu.. pivot root and starting /sbin/init |
| 00:50.51 | zakkm | all that happens instantly.. and freezes at the last "pivot root and starting /sbin/init" |
| 00:54.21 | lcuk | zakkm, dunno never tried ubuntu on tablet |
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| 00:55.10 | andre__ | everybody writing Fremantle with 3 e must buy me icecream. |
| 00:55.57 | Pavlov | lol |
| 00:56.03 | lcuk | cant wait for the open source freemantle application to come out ;) |
| 00:56.20 | Jaffa | Similarly, I pondered a "$GOOD_THING" referendum for Council members |
| 00:57.08 | andre__ | lcuk! icecream! now! |
| 00:57.08 | Jaffa | "Bacon/ice-cream/free tablets for life" |
| 00:57.20 | Jaffa | Reckon we could get that through? |
| 00:57.33 | Jaffa | Freemantle makes me start thinking of freemasons. |
| 00:57.44 | lcuk | andre__, ill try to get you some bacon icecream at the summit |
| 00:58.06 | Jaffa | saw baconaisse on The Daily Show (and, not forgetting, baconaisse *lite*) |
| 00:58.14 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa! |
| 00:58.15 | lcuk | haha |
| 00:58.16 | andre__ | lcuk, cool. i'm also fine with either cucumber, cheese or fish flavoured icecream |
| 00:58.19 | GeneralAntilles | It all becomes clear now. . . . |
| 00:58.22 | Jaffa | Oh shit. I've just opened wikipedia. |
| 00:58.42 | Jaffa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasons looks interesting |
| 00:58.45 | lcuk | jaffa :) did you see xkcd - its a very interesting kindle fact |
| 00:59.00 | GeneralAntilles | sees through Nokia's Freemason plotting. |
| 00:59.03 | lcuk | http://xkcd.com/548/ |
| 00:59.13 | Jaffa | lcuk: yup :) |
| 00:59.30 | lcuk | is the os on kindle hackable? |
| 00:59.31 | GeneralAntilles | Something makes me think this doesn't belong on Planet http://www.libertatia.org/blog/?p=94 |
| 00:59.47 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, anything's hackable. |
| 01:00.20 | lcuk | excellent |
| 01:00.35 | Jaffa | lcuk: it may not be feasible before the heat death of the universe, howeve.r |
| 01:00.42 | GeneralAntilles | It's really only a function of time. |
| 01:00.46 | lcuk | http://igorsk.blogspot.com/2007/12/hacking-kindle-part-3-root-shell-and.html |
| 01:00.55 | GeneralAntilles | Additional resources can assist with the time factor, though. |
| 01:00.58 | andre__ | hmm. spanish. another interesting language. i should drink a few beer so i can understand it |
| 01:01.21 | Jaffa | lcuk: cool |
| 01:01.40 | lcuk | makes liqbase a bit more interesting jaffa - at its core its a greyscale engine |
| 01:01.40 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, if you think the tablet's refresh rate is a problem, I don't think you're gonna enjoy eink very much. |
| 01:01.51 | lcuk | i dont thought gen |
| 01:01.59 | lcuk | i see eink as quite reasonable |
| 01:02.08 | lcuk | i was never against greyscale |
| 01:02.21 | zakkm | ITEM_DEVICE="${INT_CARD}p2" |
| 01:02.25 | zakkm | that would be mmcblk0p2 right? |
| 01:02.38 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, have you actually used one? |
| 01:02.48 | GeneralAntilles | "OK, let's watch the screen redraw." |
| 01:02.53 | lcuk | no, refresh is about 2fps |
| 01:03.02 | lcuk | i know how bad it is |
| 01:03.33 | lcuk | and besides gan, its not touchscreen, so i dont have to try to make it kinetic |
| 01:03.47 | GeneralAntilles | Do you really know how bad it is? |
| 01:03.51 | GeneralAntilles | Because, really, it's bad. |
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| 01:05.48 | lfelipe | fck |
| 01:07.42 | lfelipe | planet.maemo caught a completely unrelated post from my blog :( |
| 01:08.04 | GeneralAntilles | thumbs gleefully for karma. :P |
| 01:08.38 | lfelipe | even I'd like to give me a thumbs down for that post being there |
| 01:08.44 | lfelipe | problem is, not my fault hehehe |
| 01:09.06 | Jaffa | lfelipe: by rating it you'll get karma, and your overall karma won't suffer for the -ves ;-) |
| 01:09.13 | Jaffa | Thumb it, then get it out of your feed ;-) |
| 01:10.04 | lfelipe | fck |
| 01:10.07 | lfelipe | it kinda is my fault |
| 01:10.08 | lfelipe | :( |
| 01:10.30 | lfelipe | well, it seems the rss feed got screwed by the wordpress update |
| 01:10.38 | GeneralAntilles | I still say we blame X-Fade. :P |
| 01:11.35 | Jaffa | Right. Bed time. |
| 01:11.35 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody else tired of seeing fat stomachs on itT? |
| 01:11.47 | GeneralAntilles | Later, Jaffa. |
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| 01:13.00 | lfelipe | the rss url got changed, I can certainly blame X-Fade for that :P |
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| 01:18.31 | andre__ | lfelipe, i already gave you all "thumbs down" i had on planet maemo. you're welcome :-P |
| 01:21.55 | lfelipe | heheh, thank god it wasn't any kind of porn or anything :P |
| 01:23.12 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, that'd probably have netted you karma. ;) |
| 01:24.44 | zakkm | wow is that vmware thing real? |
| 01:25.08 | lcuk | mmmmmm close enough http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaconsfield,_Western_Australia |
| 01:25.12 | lcuk | theres bacon in fremantle |
| 01:27.56 | zakkm | omg ubuntu boots but at end of bootsplash, it "freezes" |
| 01:28.13 | zakkm | end of progress bar |
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| 01:43.11 | andre__ | lcuk, you could organize a bacon deathmatch for maemo summit |
| 01:44.50 | lcuk | heh |
| 01:45.09 | zakkm | for a bootmenu.d item ... mmcblk1p2 ... refers to internal or external ( n800 ) |
| 01:45.12 | lcuk | im turnin in for the night anyway, gnite folks |
| 01:45.37 | zakkm | night lcuk |
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| 01:57.58 | benson | better practice his uberleet Bacon Fraggin' Gun skillz. |
| 01:59.44 | zakkm | benson; did you try ubuntu jaunty? |
| 02:00.21 | benson | No |
| 02:00.50 | zakkm | :( cant get it to boot fully |
| 02:01.08 | fireun | did you use socks? |
| 02:01.15 | fireun | sorry, that wasnt helpful. |
| 02:01.41 | zakkm | socks? |
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| 04:49.59 | fireun | http://i.gizmodo.com/5161421/dell-mini-9-is-down-to-200-for-one-day-only |
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| 05:04.08 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog |
| 05:07.25 | GeneralAntilles | fireun, I might just do it. |
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| 05:11.48 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, I think I can. |
| 05:11.57 | GeneralAntilles | I need an x86 machine |
| 05:12.03 | fireun | ubuntu AND osx, so sweet. |
| 05:12.19 | GeneralAntilles | and I was looking at a barebones Atom rig (maybe an MSI nettop) |
| 05:12.27 | GeneralAntilles | But this is just a bit more useful. |
| 05:12.31 | fireun | I've got the trio, AND two nokias, so.. I'm flush. |
| 05:12.56 | fireun | and at only 186+ram, a golden deal |
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| 05:20.19 | fireun | wasnt there someone about to buy a laptop? |
| 05:20.46 | AStorm | I already have a portable desktop :) |
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| 05:26.10 | AndrewFBlack | Hello |
| 05:28.53 | GeneralAntilles | *ordered* |
| 05:33.20 | fireun | you get my address right? |
| 05:34.22 | AStorm | ;) |
| 05:35.34 | GeneralAntilles | fireun, sure, I'll ship you the box with the cardboard and duct tape "PSthree" I got as a gag gift last year inside. :P |
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| 05:38.28 | fireun | hah, no. |
| 05:48.33 | Macer | i love the police chase where the guy corrects himself like 3 times before they get him |
| 05:48.57 | Macer | awesome driving |
| 05:50.24 | AndrewFBlack | wonders if android market apps will ever be available for Nitdroid |
| 05:50.40 | GeneralAntilles | Aren't they signed or something? |
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| 05:52.23 | AStorm | signature != encryption |
| 05:52.46 | Macer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lViO-00nYaE&feature=related |
| 05:52.50 | Macer | HAHAHAHAHA!! |
| 05:53.03 | Macer | talk about picking the right vehicle for a getaway! |
| 05:53.50 | AndrewFBlack | GeneralAntilles, when is talk.maemo.org supose to come about? |
| 05:54.13 | GeneralAntilles | AndrewFBlack, sometime around the time the new style goes live. |
| 05:54.19 | GeneralAntilles | ~1 month, I guess. |
| 05:54.22 | GeneralAntilles | Reggie's kinda gone dark |
| 05:54.29 | GeneralAntilles | and he's the one working on the templates, sooo. . . . |
| 05:55.44 | AndrewFBlack | yeah, I gave up on Minimalist theme a long time ago he quit talking to me right after I gave him the first version of the one there now |
| 05:56.11 | AndrewFBlack | I know reggie runs like 5 forums sites |
| 05:57.24 | GeneralAntilles | itT's the only one with any hits. |
| 05:57.45 | GeneralAntilles | He gave some numbers when we were talking servers itT makes up, like, 90% of the server usage. |
| 05:58.56 | AndrewFBlack | yeah I notice alot of stuff on http://micropctalk.com/forums/ also |
| 05:59.48 | AndrewFBlack | no where near as much talk as on itt but some |
| 06:02.57 | b-man | hello, AndrewFBlack :) |
| 06:03.07 | AndrewFBlack | I wonder who uses more bandwidth all of itT or Qole on my server lol |
| 06:03.11 | AndrewFBlack | hey B-man |
| 06:04.18 | GeneralAntilles | Why doesn't he just use Garage? |
| 06:04.36 | AndrewFBlack | I don't think garage will let him upload entire Easy Debian Project |
| 06:04.51 | AndrewFBlack | or allow him to use around a TB of bandwidth a month |
| 06:05.01 | b-man | AndrewFBlack: more like me, qole, or itt - i have a repository + ubuntu rootstrap + gallery XD |
| 06:05.04 | Macer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Lhn7rkOn8Q&feature=related |
| 06:05.04 | GeneralAntilles | I don't think there are limits. |
| 06:05.06 | Macer | ouch! |
| 06:05.39 | AndrewFBlack | b-man yeah I havn't even been watching your bandwidth usage |
| 06:06.05 | AndrewFBlack | GeneralAntilles, I would think there would be some kind of limit |
| 06:06.18 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia's paying for the bandwidth. |
| 06:06.21 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno, though. |
| 06:06.27 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade'd be able to say. |
| 06:07.09 | AndrewFBlack | b-man you only used 10th of what qole used this month |
| 06:07.32 | b-man | how much did he use??? |
| 06:07.58 | AndrewFBlack | only about 300GB this month |
| 06:08.10 | AndrewFBlack | but still 2 days left lol |
| 06:08.40 | b-man | 0_o |
| 06:08.49 | AndrewFBlack | really I have no problem with garage all my projects are there and not my server |
| 06:09.11 | AndrewFBlack | you had about 30GB downloaded this month |
| 06:09.34 | b-man | lol- he copyed my idea for a repository XD |
| 06:09.46 | AndrewFBlack | lol |
| 06:09.57 | b-man | http://qole.maemobox.org/repository |
| 06:11.16 | AndrewFBlack | you shouldn't have told him |
| 06:12.15 | AndrewFBlack | I set stskeeps an account for mer but I don't think he ever put anything up on it |
| 06:12.18 | b-man | hehe - he allwase copys someones ideas XD |
| 06:12.51 | b-man | Stskeeps has his own servers |
| 06:13.44 | AndrewFBlack | yeah but he asked about using some of my bandwidth to share the load some |
| 06:13.46 | b-man | i even have an account on his - but it's for mer development only |
| 06:14.44 | b-man | How much server space do you have btw? :) |
| 06:15.17 | AndrewFBlack | about 700GB of Hard Drive space |
| 06:16.10 | AndrewFBlack | http://etrunko.blogspot.com/2009/02/vmware-for-mobile.html god help us we will get 100 new how do I put Windows CE on my tablet threads now |
| 06:16.23 | b-man | lol |
| 06:16.27 | AndrewFBlack | I was hoping not to see a million blogs about that |
| 06:17.09 | b-man | would not mind trying it out though :) |
| 06:17.27 | AndrewFBlack | I wouldn't mind trying it either but I don't see it happening lol |
| 06:17.34 | GeneralAntilles | Well, the easy answer is: "Call VMWare" |
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| 06:22.32 | b-man16 | i'm back, my tablet crashed :P |
| 06:23.25 | AndrewFBlack | wb my tablet wont boot right now, well wont boot anything but android lol |
| 06:24.26 | b-man16 | hehe :) |
| 06:26.57 | AndrewFBlack | I would flash back to maemo but I'm just to last lol |
| 06:27.06 | AndrewFBlack | lasy |
| 06:27.15 | b-man16 | :) |
| 06:28.07 | b-man16 | is still waiting on nitboot :) |
| 06:28.31 | AndrewFBlack | yeah wonder if he is ever going to get around to that |
| 06:28.56 | AndrewFBlack | I don't thikn solca has even updated android in a while |
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| 06:29.48 | b-man16 | yeah :( |
| 06:30.14 | AndrewFBlack | I mainly install Nitdroid just to see my artwork I did for it |
| 06:30.44 | AndrewFBlack | I still think he should have used the boot screen I made with the android robot holding a n810 |
| 06:31.23 | AndrewFBlack | http://andrewblck.com/Stuff/Images/android800x480v8.png I just love that |
| 06:31.52 | b-man16 | sweet :) |
| 06:32.30 | b-man16 | awsome homepage btw :) |
| 06:33.01 | AndrewFBlack | thanks |
| 06:33.25 | AndrewFBlack | just another one of my uncompleted projects |
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| 06:39.14 | b-man16 | hello neatojones :) |
| 06:39.23 | neatojones | hey |
| 06:40.18 | neatojones | How's it going, b-man16? |
| 06:41.08 | b-man16 | pritty well, i've updated tablet-wireless and tablet-network-setup :) |
| 06:41.31 | Macer | hm... downloading the hd heroes.. i stopped watching half way through the first season |
| 06:41.49 | neatojones | nice. |
| 06:41.56 | neatojones | I just reinstalled Mer. |
| 06:42.01 | Macer | heh |
| 06:42.05 | Macer | does it have 2 menus? :) |
| 06:42.10 | neatojones | To try and setup E17 on it from a fresh install. |
| 06:42.26 | Macer | haven't use enlightenment in years |
| 06:42.26 | neatojones | Ran into dep probs galore due to Mer package conflicts |
| 06:42.47 | b-man16 | trys to compile dalvik |
| 06:42.59 | neatojones | I've been talking to raster to see if I can get teh keyboard going in the Illume module |
| 06:43.01 | Macer | the new fray cd kinda sucks |
| 06:43.03 | neatojones | no such luck yet |
| 06:43.52 | neatojones | Macer, the Illume module is pretty sweet |
| 06:43.58 | neatojones | I like it better than Hildon |
| 06:44.14 | neatojones | check out the pics I posted on the screenshots part of ITT |
| 06:44.32 | Macer | running on an n800? |
| 06:44.41 | neatojones | on a n810 |
| 06:44.43 | neatojones | yeah |
| 06:45.02 | neatojones | the keyboard I'm especially interested in because it's supposed to be pretty nice. |
| 06:45.25 | Macer | i need an n810 for the qwerty |
| 06:45.27 | neatojones | magnifies where you press and has auto word correction |
| 06:45.41 | neatojones | (in e17) |
| 06:45.51 | Macer | i all but ditched my n800 because my g1 has a qwerty |
| 06:45.56 | Macer | :) |
| 06:46.13 | neatojones | anyway. Was working with raster last night to see if I could get 'er going. He was still building last I knew. |
| 06:46.19 | neatojones | understandable |
| 06:46.25 | neatojones | how's the diff in screen size? |
| 06:46.36 | neatojones | nice to have 1 dev that does it all I bet |
| 06:46.40 | Macer | i dunno.. like 20% |
| 06:46.44 | Macer | maybe 15 |
| 06:47.07 | Macer | it's pretty close to the n800 screen if you ask me |
| 06:47.16 | Macer | i rooted it |
| 06:47.28 | Macer | speaking ofwhich.. i just installed the modded rc33 |
| 06:47.36 | Macer | it should have a2dp support :) i should try it out |
| 06:47.54 | Macer | people are charging for dumb apps on the android market now |
| 06:48.11 | Macer | someone is charging $8 for a gui interface to iptable scripts |
| 06:48.16 | Macer | wtf? it's like apple shit |
| 06:49.01 | neatojones | gets frustrated because firefox keeps closing in his desktop. |
| 06:49.15 | Macer | what is the desktop running? |
| 06:49.34 | neatojones | pubuntu |
| 06:49.40 | Macer | p? |
| 06:49.45 | neatojones | it has ram issues. |
| 06:49.52 | Macer | wtf is p? :) |
| 06:49.53 | neatojones | but, I just adopted it from a friend |
| 06:50.01 | neatojones | say it out loud... |
| 06:50.19 | neatojones | it's regular ubuntu. |
| 06:50.33 | Macer | so what is the p for? public? |
| 06:50.34 | Macer | heh |
| 06:50.46 | neatojones | no, for "poo" |
| 06:50.56 | Macer | HAHA |
| 06:50.59 | Macer | run debian |
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| 06:51.13 | neatojones | the system is crapping out |
| 06:51.15 | Macer | kubuntu ran like shit on my artigo |
| 06:51.22 | Macer | i think it is because of the video chipset tho |
| 06:51.26 | Macer | xp is running great on it :) |
| 06:51.40 | neatojones | I've Oc'ed it to and athlon XP 3200 from 2500 |
| 06:51.44 | Macer | it uses a unichrome |
| 06:51.50 | Macer | ouch |
| 06:51.56 | Macer | do you have it in a freezer or something? |
| 06:51.58 | neatojones | the RAM has serious problems |
| 06:52.04 | neatojones | no 3 fans blowing on it |
| 06:52.07 | Macer | i would guess so :) |
| 06:52.10 | neatojones | running 42C |
| 06:52.14 | Macer | that's not too bad |
| 06:52.19 | neatojones | cooler than the non oc'ed |
| 06:52.42 | Macer | my athlons run around 60 |
| 06:52.57 | Macer | but that's a pretty stressed system |
| 06:53.07 | neatojones | yep...actually she's running 40 right now... but only gets up to 43 on heavy load |
| 06:53.18 | neatojones | she's got some serious fannage going on. |
| 06:53.30 | Macer | sounds like an airplane taking off huh? :) |
| 06:53.38 | neatojones | ran at 52 to 60 prior to overclock and fans |
| 06:53.38 | Macer | i have 8 fans in my fileserver |
| 06:53.40 | neatojones | yep |
| 06:53.55 | neatojones | it desperately needs RAM |
| 06:54.05 | Macer | 9 if you include the video card that i need to replace with a cheap heat sink only one |
| 06:54.10 | neatojones | I have to specify the RAM to prevent errors |
| 06:54.21 | Macer | get some ram for it then ;) |
| 06:54.43 | neatojones | it's a pile. Gonna get a new one in a few months. |
| 06:54.55 | neatojones | not worth the money. |
| 06:54.58 | Macer | :) |
| 06:55.07 | neatojones | if i find some...then we'll talk |
| 06:55.09 | neatojones | :D |
| 06:55.15 | Macer | i should see if i can get $10 for my old dual p3 |
| 06:55.32 | neatojones | the grub is screwed up though |
| 06:56.08 | neatojones | it had an xp partition, and I have to hit e at grub and change it from (hd1,0) to hd(0,0) |
| 06:56.19 | neatojones | not sure how to fix it permanently though |
| 06:56.33 | Macer | edit the grub.conf |
| 06:57.00 | Macer | bbl.. have to work a little more on this artigo.. i have like.. 10 usb things hooked up to it |
| 06:57.04 | Macer | i'm trying to find its breaking point haha |
| 06:57.08 | neatojones | it's been a while since I've messed with them...used to konw it inside and out. |
| 06:57.18 | neatojones | k |
| 06:57.25 | neatojones | later |
| 06:57.29 | Macer | have to find out why this monitor isn't going 1400x1050 too |
| 06:57.36 | Macer | wtf :) plug n play my ass |
| 06:59.12 | AStorm | probably faulty EDID |
| 06:59.21 | AStorm | or gfx card doesn't support this mode |
| 06:59.29 | Macer | the gfx card does |
| 06:59.36 | Macer | it worked in kubuntu at that res |
| 06:59.43 | Macer | xp doesn't seem to be accepting it too well |
| 07:01.56 | AStorm | Radeon? |
| 07:02.31 | Macer | unichrome |
| 07:02.35 | Macer | monitor is a westinghouse |
| 07:02.41 | AStorm | oh, can't help you with VIA |
| 07:02.48 | Macer | yah |
| 07:02.53 | Macer | artigo is all via chipset |
| 07:03.06 | Macer | via everything.. i think it's pretty awesome tho for what it is |
| 07:03.59 | AStorm | about the only good thing Via has right now is Envy24 audio chip |
| 07:04.00 | Macer | i honestly bet i just have to get some crap driver from westinghouse to get xp to see it for what it is |
| 07:04.07 | AStorm | and it wasn't theirs in the first place ;P |
| 07:04.18 | Macer | neither was the unichrome ;) |
| 07:04.28 | Macer | or the C7 |
| 07:04.33 | AStorm | yup |
| 07:04.37 | Macer | i think everythign via has is acquired |
| 07:05.28 | AStorm | except chipsets |
| 07:06.26 | AStorm | poor S3 - made one of the best gfx cards at the time |
| 07:12.23 | Macer | the virge? |
| 07:12.24 | Macer | heh |
| 07:12.34 | Macer | ugh this monitor thing is driving me nuts |
| 07:13.07 | Macer | i have to figure out how to get it to its native but i have shit goign on in the background.. i was just going to try to delete the drivers for the video and monitors and restart and see if it picks it up |
| 07:13.58 | Macer | this artigo wasn't meant for video encoding anywyas.. i think i'll just start up my xp vm on the esx box |
| 07:15.12 | AStorm | Macer: Savage, not Virge |
| 07:15.23 | AStorm | although Virge was first 3D accelerated card |
| 07:16.44 | Macer | never had a savage to tell you the truth |
| 07:17.27 | AStorm | it was better than TNT2... |
| 07:17.34 | Macer | i had a tnt2 ;) |
| 07:17.59 | Macer | i had a couple voodoo2s |
| 07:18.08 | Macer | when that had came out |
| 07:18.19 | Macer | who bought the physX? |
| 07:18.25 | Macer | AMD? |
| 07:18.29 | bef0rd | ati |
| 07:18.30 | bef0rd | erm |
| 07:18.31 | bef0rd | nvidia |
| 07:18.33 | Macer | oh |
| 07:18.41 | Macer | do they actually use it for anything? :) |
| 07:18.46 | bef0rd | I think so |
| 07:18.51 | AStorm | almost |
| 07:18.58 | AStorm | that idea is extremely old really |
| 07:19.10 | Macer | having a physics co-processor? |
| 07:19.12 | bef0rd | I remember my card installed some driverthing called physx |
| 07:19.27 | Macer | i don't understand why they made a whole card for it |
| 07:19.34 | Macer | they should have just sold the tech to nvidia to begin with |
| 07:19.52 | Macer | there were like 2 games that used it and one came with the card |
| 07:20.24 | AStorm | because they tried to keep on the market... or maybe some executive meddling was the cause |
| 07:20.33 | AStorm | like, execs trying to drop shares |
| 07:21.31 | Macer | i thought it was a good ida |
| 07:21.43 | Macer | idea too |
| 07:21.55 | AStorm | it's not really - I'd prefer having the engine in the CPU |
| 07:22.51 | AStorm | SSE 5 anyone? :> |
| 07:22.58 | Macer | heh |
| 07:23.16 | Macer | i7 physX EXTREME |
| 07:23.36 | Macer | you ahve to make it sound cool like that |
| 07:25.07 | Macer | this esx box just doesn't seem to be giving me the power i'm looking for |
| 07:25.08 | Macer | wtf |
| 07:25.33 | Macer | it has a 2.8GHz core2duo and i'm getting like 700MHz out of it |
| 07:25.47 | Macer | i think i should check the bios on it and see if there are dumb things set |
| 07:26.01 | Macer | like "throttle down whenever possible when not running a microsoft product YES/NO" |
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| 07:26.28 | Macer | it has to be stepping the cpu down |
| 07:26.47 | AStorm | it's called cpufreq |
| 07:26.53 | AStorm | enable the acpi version |
| 07:27.22 | Macer | is that an esx thing or a bios thing? |
| 07:27.30 | AStorm | ? |
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| 07:27.40 | AStorm | linux kernel |
| 07:27.52 | Macer | i'm not running linux on it (well.. technically) |
| 07:27.55 | Macer | i'm running esx on it |
| 07:28.13 | Macer | i will just see if i can turn it off in the bios and bitchslap the electric bill running the cpu full speed the whole time |
| 07:28.46 | Macer | if you were to see my esx VM speeds right now.. it makes no sense |
| 07:28.59 | Macer | and i tweaked esx the best i can.. i have to disable power saving crap in the bios :) bbl |
| 07:29.29 | Macer | actually.. crap ican't do it right now |
| 07:31.41 | Macer | argh! wtf :) |
| 07:31.58 | Macer | i think i know what it is |
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| 08:01.22 | RST38h | moo pupnik |
| 08:06.47 | pupnik_ | morning |
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| 08:18.50 | robink | Good morning. |
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| 08:37.55 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:40.13 | RST38h | moorning, jaffa |
| 08:41.13 | Jaffa | hasn't triggered a torrent of other candidates in the last 7 hours |
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| 08:45.58 | RST38h | is there a list? |
| 08:46.15 | qwerty12 | Sure. |
| 08:46.16 | qwerty12 | Jaffa. |
| 08:49.15 | RST38h | read "hasn't" as "has". Getting old or something. |
| 08:49.22 | RST38h | oh well |
| 08:50.50 | aquatix | morning all |
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| 08:54.46 | StsN800 | qwerty12, any things you want into 0.9 before monday release? |
| 08:54.58 | qwerty12 | nothing I can think of |
| 08:55.54 | StsN800 | k |
| 08:59.11 | keesj | Jaffa: it was sent only to the community list. |
| 09:00.01 | keesj | how many people are on that list? |
| 09:00.10 | StsN800 | i'm personally satisfied with 770 wifi support in this release |
| 09:00.31 | Jaffa | keesj: as the nominations are supposed to be, doesn't seem right spamming -dev & -users |
| 09:00.59 | StsN800 | call for nominees at iTT? ;) |
| 09:02.18 | GeneralAntilles | keesj, Planet, too. |
| 09:02.20 | qwerty12 | Nah, they're all busy trying to get it up over nokia's apparent lack of silence over the N900 |
| 09:03.25 | Myrtti | yawns |
| 09:03.38 | StsN800 | lack of silence? :P |
| 09:03.55 | qwerty12 | Eurgh. |
| 09:03.59 | qwerty12 | learns to type |
| 09:04.00 | Myrtti | rubs her eyes. I need coffee |
| 09:04.21 | Jaffa | Take a blurry photo of an N810W, flip it horizontally, send it to Engadget with: "this features an OMAP3430, capable of HD video playback; a 5MP camera; HSPA; GPS and a revamped Maemo UI" and they'lll be happy |
| 09:04.36 | StsN800 | i swear, there has to be some computational ability in the rumour mills itt has once in a while.. |
| 09:05.02 | Jaffa | realises he left the camera off his absolutely-definitely-getting list to danramos |
| 09:05.33 | Jaffa | Myrtti: nice hot strong cup of tea and a bacon butty: perfect start to a Saturday |
| 09:05.52 | StsN800 | 'Proof of turing-completeness of internet rumour mills' |
| 09:06.04 | StsN800 | baconaise bun? |
| 09:06.12 | Myrtti | I'll have rye bread with leek and cottage cheese, flushed with good café au lait |
| 09:06.16 | Jaffa | Errr, no ;-) |
| 09:06.36 | Jaffa | Myrtti: sounds good, but not enough bacon |
| 09:06.49 | Myrtti | Jaffa: will frankfurters do? |
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| 09:08.17 | Jaffa | StsN800: The worst thing about baconaisse was when Jon Stewart dunked a blueberry sausage-in-a-pancake in it, and took a bite. That /can't/ be kosher, surely (assuming either of them do contain any meat) |
| 09:08.55 | Macer | awesome |
| 09:11.45 | Macer | damnit |
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| 09:13.06 | StsN800 | Jaffa, yeah, saw:) |
| 09:17.29 | roope | It's easier to announce something when there's something previously unseen to announce. |
| 09:21.20 | mavhc | Jaffa: are non food items covered by this kosher? cause that's not food |
| 09:21.57 | Macer | this esx box is running like absolute shit |
| 09:22.24 | mavhc | what's with that vmware on maemo thing? |
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| 09:30.14 | GeneralAntilles | roope, like all the remaining details about Fremantle and the RX-51, for instance? |
| 09:31.13 | roope | ga: well, yeah. RX-51 especially. |
| 09:31.19 | roope | Nokia likes to keep the devices secret. |
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| 09:33.37 | roope | Well, also the new UI. |
| 09:43.08 | GeneralAntilles | roope, basically everything relevant to end users and consumers. ;) |
| 09:43.53 | lbt | GeneralAntilles: so much for the Caribbean. |
| 09:44.10 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, sorry. :( :P |
| 09:47.29 | roope | ga: basically yes. |
| 09:47.50 | roope | Nokia likes to keep control of those messages and their marketnig. |
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| 10:07.18 | udovdh | hello |
| 10:07.28 | udovdh | I am trying an apt-get install camera |
| 10:07.30 | udovdh | on my n810 |
| 10:07.39 | udovdh | the unpacking stalls more or less |
| 10:07.48 | udovdh | any ideas on how to find out what is wrong? |
| 10:08.56 | udovdh | ah... it asks stuff on the screen of the n810 |
| 10:09.04 | udovdh | how usefull if I am using a cli app via ssh |
| 10:09.40 | AStorm | heh |
| 10:10.42 | udovdh | so I can't ssh in from the other side of the world and use apt-get |
| 10:10.49 | qwerty12 | x11vnc |
| 10:10.52 | udovdh | or is there a way around this? |
| 10:10.53 | udovdh | yes |
| 10:10.56 | udovdh | but text-mode? |
| 10:11.05 | udovdh | some switch? (`say yes to anything`) |
| 10:12.50 | lbt | udovdh: I've come up against that occasionally |
| 10:13.00 | udovdh | and your fix? |
| 10:13.11 | lbt | stay on the right side of the world ;) |
| 10:13.40 | lbt | is it a real issue? |
| 10:13.50 | lbt | eg bulk installs? |
| 10:13.54 | lbt | or just a niggle? |
| 10:14.27 | udovdh | just one occasion |
| 10:14.33 | udovdh | I recently got my n810 |
| 10:14.41 | lbt | maemo-select-menu-location is the app that is called I think |
| 10:14.48 | lbt | during the debian postinst |
| 10:14.51 | udovdh | and found out that the cli environment needs work |
| 10:15.06 | udovdh | the n810 is now charging |
| 10:15.11 | udovdh | so the screen could stay on |
| 10:15.15 | udovdh | instead it goes black |
| 10:15.22 | udovdh | (needs configuring I guess?) |
| 10:15.22 | lbt | there's a switch IIRC |
| 10:15.58 | lbt | control panel/display/ |
| 10:16.17 | lbt | Display stays lit : never/when charging |
| 10:16.23 | lbt | :D |
| 10:16.45 | udovdh | indeed |
| 10:16.47 | udovdh | thanks |
| 10:16.51 | lbt | np |
| 10:17.15 | udovdh | about removing navicore: |
| 10:17.27 | udovdh | just delete all files with that name in the path? |
| 10:17.37 | udovdh | dpkg doesn't know about navicore... |
| 10:17.52 | lbt | mmm |
| 10:18.19 | lbt | in general I wouldn't advise rm |
| 10:18.32 | udovdh | I don't use navicore |
| 10:18.39 | udovdh | I am trying navit |
| 10:18.51 | udovdh | and I can reflash when disaster occurs |
| 10:18.57 | AStorm | it's called "map" |
| 10:18.58 | udovdh | or tar before removing |
| 10:19.07 | udovdh | oh.. will dig into it more |
| 10:19.56 | udovdh | ah indeed; thanks |
| 10:20.14 | lbt | dpkg-query -S navicore |
| 10:21.24 | udovdh | dpkg -r map |
| 10:21.58 | lbt | there is also maemo-mapper |
| 10:22.08 | udovdh | I heard about that yes |
| 10:22.13 | udovdh | differences? |
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| 10:22.18 | lbt | pretty good depending on needs |
| 10:22.19 | udovdh | not installed standard? |
| 10:22.27 | lbt | no, it's a community app |
| 10:22.33 | udovdh | navit is more or less a tomtom replacement in progress |
| 10:22.40 | udovdh | but more flexible etc |
| 10:22.42 | lbt | interesting |
| 10:23.20 | lbt | ah, no maps |
| 10:23.38 | udovdh | osm! |
| 10:23.45 | udovdh | pretty good, depending on where you are |
| 10:23.51 | udovdh | and you cna also add to the map |
| 10:24.00 | udovdh | just drive around with a gps and upload the logs |
| 10:25.18 | lbt | looks interesting... |
| 10:25.27 | udovdh | just try it out |
| 10:25.36 | udovdh | I have it working on an ipaq h2210 |
| 10:25.39 | udovdh | except for the audio |
| 10:25.41 | wnd | personally I think maemo-mapper over greatly overrated. it's the best (if not only) option if you want satellite maps, but the UI is awfully slow (as it seems to allocate huge amounts of memory) as soon as you start panning around or zooming in and out. |
| 10:25.43 | udovdh | and now on the n810 |
| 10:25.51 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: woo! |
| 10:25.57 | udovdh | ? |
| 10:26.11 | lbt | he's copying Jaffa ;) |
| 10:26.22 | Jaffa | See, there's a benefit to declaring first ;-) |
| 10:26.35 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, I was going to put (shamelessly plagiarised from Andrew) at the top |
| 10:26.40 | GeneralAntilles | But decided against it. ;) |
| 10:26.54 | Jaffa | Although it's not so much a fight for a person's vote with the preferential ranked voting this time. |
| 10:26.55 | lbt | (serves him right for reporting bugs in shopper) |
| 10:27.06 | GeneralAntilles | A formates a format and might as well stick with it. ;) |
| 10:27.22 | GeneralAntilles | s/gibberish/something resembling English/ |
| 10:27.38 | GeneralAntilles | Anyway, now we've at least got a 2-person council. . . . |
| 10:27.56 | qwerty12 | Damn, I was hoping for a autocracy. |
| 10:27.57 | Jaffa | Still need one more person to declare for the election to be valid :-/ |
| 10:28.06 | GeneralAntilles | hopes Dell's shipping estimate on his Mini 9 is pessimistic. |
| 10:28.19 | Jaffa | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council#Election_Process - point 11. |
| 10:28.26 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, Darius, remember? :P |
| 10:28.59 | Jaffa | Oh, yeah. And 3 candidates would, according to this rule, all become the council *without* a vote. |
| 10:29.02 | Myrtti | wants a pink Asus Aspire 1 |
| 10:29.11 | lbt | wnd: I tend to agree it's more pretty than really useful |
| 10:29.49 | GeneralAntilles | I used Maemo Mapper on a 770 in the early days. |
| 10:29.54 | GeneralAntilles | It only feels faster to me these days. ;) |
| 10:30.14 | qwerty12 | That comes with the upgrade of 770 to N800 ;P |
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| 10:39.34 | qwerty12 | hmm... http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2009/02/cellular-providers-want-nokia-to-drop-skype-from-cell-phones.ars |
| 10:39.50 | Myrtti | how surprising... NOT |
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| 10:40.13 | qwerty12 | I thought our networks were decent *cries* |
| 10:40.28 | Macer | think i give up on trying to tweak this |
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| 10:41.39 | Macer | i have no idea why the hell the damn thing is going so damn slow :) |
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| 10:44.11 | udovdh | any opinions on kismet for n810? |
| 10:44.17 | udovdh | best? worst? |
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| 11:33.59 | guysoft42 | hey, is there a way to change the bootloaders default option? |
| 11:34.23 | qwerty12 | https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card#Set_the_default_boot_device |
| 11:47.48 | guysoft42 | qwerty12, thanks, i am also using your fb mode in the wiki :) |
| 11:48.23 | qwerty12 | Heh, it's fanoush's stuff and lbt tidied up the steps for the wiki :) |
| 11:50.55 | udovdh | can the n810 file manager browse the sd card? |
| 11:51.02 | udovdh | or just the internal memory? |
| 11:51.10 | udovdh | (it is not very intuitive...) |
| 11:54.46 | guysoft42 | qwerty12, strange, the bootmenu vanishede,.. but it boots to immc2 |
| 11:54.50 | guysoft42 | vanished* |
| 11:56.28 | qwerty12 | you did use *ask*:immc2 right? |
| 11:56.36 | guysoft42 | er - which key sis the home key in nokia n180? |
| 11:56.49 | guysoft42 | qwerty12, i did.. let me try again, maybe i was stupid |
| 11:57.22 | guysoft42 | qwerty12, right. i guess the second time i messed |
| 12:00.45 | guysoft42 | qwerty12, do you know if there is a way to use the USB recovery mode to dump the internal memory flash in a nice quick way? i want to backup after i recovered |
| 12:01.11 | qwerty12 | Well, I can't promise a nice way... |
| 12:01.37 | guysoft42 | qwerty12, i guess ill have to use the internal flash to do it hen |
| 12:01.38 | guysoft42 | then* |
| 12:02.18 | guysoft42 | qwerty12, how did you get the kernel output during boot to work? |
| 12:03.57 | qwerty12 | "softcursor bitblit font fbcon" modules in initfs's /lib/modules/`uname -r` and adding ITEM_MODULES="softcursor bitblit font fbcon" and ITEM_FBMODE="auto" to my bootmenu.conf |
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| 12:05.59 | hahlo | hi, is there bitlbee for maemo somewhere? |
| 12:09.47 | udovdh | hahlo, interesting concept... |
| 12:11.10 | hahlo | yes could be light to run background |
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| 12:20.09 | inz | hahlo, why do you need it to run locally? |
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| 12:24.21 | Myrtti | runs bitlbee on her home server and uses ssh to connect to screened irssi/bitlbee combo |
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| 12:51.08 | ShadowJK | udovdh, yes the file manager can browse the internal memory and the cards. On the left you have several folders. "Nokia N810", "Internal memory card", "Removable memory card", "Bluetooth", "Shared folders" |
| 12:51.17 | ShadowJK | "Removable memory card" is the minisd slot |
| 12:52.47 | ShadowJK | Bluetooth browses any bluetooth device with an obexftp server in range, for example your cellphone. "Shared folders" is whatever SMB/CIFS shares found through wlan, though it only works if you don't need a user/pass to access it |
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| 13:17.07 | binky | Hi everyone. |
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| 13:36.06 | binky | I'm an idiot that enters here just to being helped, although I can't help nobody... |
| 13:36.08 | binky | so... |
| 13:36.15 | binky | can anybody help me with my problem? |
| 13:36.59 | binky | I was installing KDE 3.5.6 on my 7700 |
| 13:37.00 | binky | 770* |
| 13:37.14 | binky | and when I enter the last step in Xterm as root I get: |
| 13:37.16 | keesj | :P |
| 13:37.48 | binky | # /tar-temp/bin/tar jxvf KDE356FINAL1.tar.bz2 |
| 13:38.19 | binky | /bin/sh: /tar-temp/bin/tar: not found |
| 13:38.26 | binky | so, what do I do now? |
| 13:40.58 | binky | also, if i do tar jxfv KDE....tar.bz2 I get a tar: invalid option --j and the usage |
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| 13:42.36 | binky | any ideas? |
| 13:47.00 | RST38h | binky: does the usage information mention j? |
| 13:47.41 | binky | [wait, I'm rebooting, the tablet, please] |
| 13:49.31 | binky | usage says: tar -[czxtv0] [-f TARFILE] [-C DIR] [FILE(s)] |
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| 13:50.04 | binky | I don't put the whole path to the file, because it's in /, and I cded to it. |
| 13:50.49 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: god knows why you want linuxdc++... shittest client i've ever seen. on my tablet, it segfaults when pressing ok in settings... but i've added one way fullscreen & in theory (untested) right click functionality in search to menu button: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/linuxdcpp_1.0.2-1_armel.deb but untested |
| 13:51.14 | RST38h | qwerty: !! =) |
| 13:51.22 | RST38h | qwerty: It works very very well on the desktop |
| 13:51.38 | RST38h | qwerty: Thanks! Getting it... |
| 13:51.43 | qwerty12_N800 | I can't get it to do a search :/ |
| 13:52.10 | RST38h | The version compiled by n8xx.com guys does search just fine |
| 13:52.17 | binky | RST38h, do you know another way to do the same operation as jxvf does? |
| 13:52.22 | RST38h | but is kinda useless because of the right button |
| 13:52.32 | qwerty12_N800 | searching on the desktop that is |
| 13:52.36 | RST38h | binky: Your tar does not support j option |
| 13:52.47 | RST38h | binky: Alternatively, you may not have bzip2 installed |
| 13:52.50 | binky | I have. |
| 13:52.57 | binky | Just installed it before this step. |
| 13:53.08 | RST38h | binky: do bzcat2 file.tar.bz2 | tar -xvf - |
| 13:53.12 | qwerty12_N800 | I can't vouch for that deb though.. dc++ segfaults when i press ok in settings |
| 13:53.42 | RST38h | qwerty: n8xx version seems to have working settings but the settings layout is completely broken |
| 13:54.19 | binky | Ok, It's working now. Thank you VEEEEEEEERY much, RST38h (what does the nick mean?) |
| 13:54.34 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: settings layout is broken here too - it uses fucking glade which i don't have time for |
| 13:54.55 | RST38h | yea |
| 13:54.55 | binky | It will take a lot of time to complete, I'm going to it, I'll tell you if it works so I can thank you even more (?) |
| 13:55.21 | RST38h | qwerty: My guess is that reducing the font size should automagically fix the layout |
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| 13:55.44 | qwerty12_N800 | font size is determined from the theme |
| 13:55.59 | RST38h | ah |
| 13:56.20 | qwerty12_N800 | but it's not hard to add a scrollbar to a glade window but I'm not well versed in these things anyway |
| 13:57.00 | RST38h | it is strange that there is no way to override theme font size |
| 13:58.12 | qwerty12_N800 | there's a pack of the nokia default themes that use 12pt fonts somewhere (maemo.lancode.de ?) |
| 13:59.05 | qwerty12_N800 | btw, scons isn't a problem in sbox1 - it's provided internally |
| 13:59.13 | RST38h | Wow, Bundyo adds the add blocker to tear! |
| 13:59.24 | RST38h | qwerty: ! |
| 13:59.36 | RST38h | qwerty: Too bad I do not have sbox1 any more... |
| 14:00.29 | qwerty12_N800 | sbox1 will be all that i have wrt the sbox's :p |
| 14:01.47 | RST38h | This is to inform you that we are in |
| 14:01.47 | RST38h | possession of your Parcel (which includes a certified cheque worth of |
| 14:01.47 | RST38h | ¸650,000.00 [Six Hundred and Fifty Thousand Pounds Sterlings]and other vital |
| 14:02.01 | RST38h | documents) (some african posing as DHL) |
| 14:02.32 | RST38h | Where do they find suckers for all these scams? |
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| 14:08.44 | binky | RST38h, when I came back I found Xterm closed.... |
| 14:09.14 | RST38h | binky: I didn't cose your xterm. |
| 14:09.25 | binky | ...sure... |
| 14:09.46 | binky | was that the same action that the jxvf command did or was it just to look the files inside the tar? |
| 14:10.07 | Jaffa | Well, we're definitely having another council now, with Andy80's candidature. |
| 14:10.42 | binky | but I keep believing, that, as the command did not suceed, you closed my xterm, so I couldn't see the results! HA-HA! |
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| 14:12.53 | RST38h | qwerty: entering nickname and pressing ok in settings worked for me |
| 14:13.15 | qwerty12_N800 | odd, it keeps crashing here. |
| 14:13.30 | RST38h | qwerty: it is not showing cyrillics but I guess it is normal |
| 14:14.02 | qwerty12_N800 | (which is why I can't test the menu thing - I don't have a nick so no hub will let me in) |
| 14:15.13 | binky | RST38h, /bin/sh: bzcat2: not found ___ wtf? it worked 5 minutes ago! |
| 14:17.48 | RST38h | qwerty: search does not work because the search button is off screen |
| 14:18.12 | qwerty12_N800 | enter doesn't work? :( |
| 14:18.33 | RST38h | qwerty: I have not tried the hw enter button but the virt keyboard one does not |
| 14:18.51 | qwerty12_N800 | bollocks |
| 14:19.31 | RST38h | weird |
| 14:20.12 | qwerty12_N800 | time to make a dc++ emulator? =) |
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| 14:23.13 | AndrewFBlack | Morngin |
| 14:24.35 | VDVsx | Jaffa, Why you say that ? the current council can win again :) |
| 14:30.06 | binky | RST38h, I've ran it (ran or run? I'm learning irregular english verbs at school lol) as bzcat, not bzcat2 and it seems to be working now, it's well done? |
| 14:31.05 | RST38h | binky: as long as it works, yes |
| 14:31.32 | binky | It lists all the files that are being extracted, true? |
| 14:31.47 | RST38h | qwerty: naaah, although a glade/gtk wrapper that automatically hildonizes things would be helpful |
| 14:32.33 | pupnik_ | isntt here some gtk/hildony progress being made? |
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| 14:36.28 | lcuk | sudo apt-get install bacon |
| 14:43.39 | Jaffa | VDVsx: We've got 3 candidates, if no one else stands, they become the council |
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| 14:43.58 | RST38h | Jaffa: You mean, our good General is not running? |
| 14:43.59 | neostrider | hey folks |
| 14:44.42 | Jaffa | RST38h: 3 candidates = Jaffa, GeneralAntilles, Andy80 |
| 14:44.43 | VDVsx | Jaffa, the deadline is in the end of the next week right ? |
| 14:45.06 | neostrider | how's freemantle roadmap going? |
| 14:45.08 | RST38h | ah |
| 14:45.21 | tank-man-inbed | freeeeemantle |
| 14:45.22 | RST38h | neo: With a single E. |
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| 14:45.39 | Jaffa | VDVsx: err, can't remember and have screaming baby. Sounds about right |
| 14:45.56 | VDVsx | other candidates will appear :) |
| 14:46.09 | neostrider | RST38h: oh, sorry. I never get those names. I still type Gregalle sometimes... |
| 14:47.05 | VDVsx | Jaffa, in my very personal opinion I think the current council did a good job :) |
| 14:48.01 | VDVsx | and if the core of the current council maintain, will be good, because those persons learned a lot during the last 6 months |
| 14:54.25 | binky | neostrider, do you know where do those names come from? Diablo means Devil in spanish, Bora is a island where there were atomic tests in the Pacific ocean, but I don't know anymore. Gregale, Chinook, Fremantle... |
| 14:54.43 | neostrider | those |
| 14:54.49 | neostrider | those maemo 2 names are wind names |
| 14:54.59 | neostrider | famous european wind flows |
| 14:55.24 | neostrider | I dont know about chinook and frEmantle ;-) |
| 14:55.39 | neostrider | (but I would love to see a wind called IT2005 =-P) |
| 14:56.10 | Myrtti | ilmatar would be wicked for Harmattan+1 |
| 14:57.05 | Myrtti | chinook sounds like inuit |
| 14:57.12 | VDVsx | neostrider, they are all wind names |
| 14:57.29 | VDVsx | (I nokia guy said that in a presentation :)) |
| 14:57.38 | RST38h | And Elephanta is a female elephant god of bodily pleasure? |
| 14:57.56 | neostrider | (I wish the nokia guys that come to Rio would give some maemo presentations instead of only S60 presentations...) |
| 14:58.34 | RST38h | Myrtti: not inuit, but indians form American west |
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| 14:59.24 | Myrtti | RST38h: IIRC inuits are generally listed as descendants of native americans, but yeah, said it only *sounds* like inuit :-P |
| 14:59.49 | RST38h | they are native americans, ain't they? =) |
| 15:00.41 | RST38h | Tear block list does not work =( |
| 15:01.01 | VDVsx | heheh : http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/255457/harmattan |
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| 15:03.11 | Myrtti | http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/73774/bora :-P |
| 15:04.53 | RST38h | known to knock people down and overturn vehicles |
| 15:04.55 | RST38h | hmmmm |
| 15:05.40 | neostrider | maybe a 770 controlled car? |
| 15:06.04 | VDVsx | google gave me more rating to britannica than to wikipedia, this info also exist in wikipedia :) |
| 15:06.08 | pupnik_ | there are germans making autonomous arm-based UAVs |
| 15:06.41 | pupnik_ | http://ng.uavp.ch and swiss etc |
| 15:06.54 | pupnik_ | #uavp on freenode <endspam> |
| 15:07.34 | neostrider | pupnik_: Pupnik! long time no see you, my friend! |
| 15:07.41 | pupnik_ | hola neostrider |
| 15:08.10 | pupnik_ | como vai? |
| 15:09.10 | neostrider | (hola is spanish ;-) use "oi" ) |
| 15:09.13 | neostrider | muito bem! |
| 15:09.24 | neostrider | and how about your game ports? |
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| 15:14.15 | binky | neostrider, I'm back, thank you for the answer. |
| 15:14.21 | binky | do you speak spanish? |
| 15:15.14 | VDVsx | pupnik_, you can use -> "Olá" too :) |
| 15:15.42 | neostrider | Brazillian Portuguese |
| 15:16.06 | neostrider | but my girlfriend's father is uruguayan, so Im learning it again |
| 15:16.12 | pupnik_ | i have no game progress sorry neostrider |
| 15:16.23 | neostrider | (I used to study it back in junior high) |
| 15:16.46 | pupnik_ | i want to make flying killer robots now |
| 15:17.38 | RST38h | KILL KILL DESTROY |
| 15:17.43 | binky | neostrider, If you don't understand some expression or something, ask me, I' m spanish |
| 15:17.51 | binky | I only can say "obrigado" in portuguese. |
| 15:19.15 | neostrider | binky: gracias for your support ;-) |
| 15:19.39 | binky | lol! |
| 15:19.40 | neostrider | pupnik_: you mean, a real robot or a robot game? |
| 15:20.14 | VDVsx | binky, you are from spain or latin america ? |
| 15:21.22 | binky | VDVsx, I'm from spain, but I talk to latin americans very often, so i know some expressions from there |
| 15:21.32 | binky | I'm from El Ejido, AlmerÃa, Spain. |
| 15:21.37 | binky | and you? |
| 15:21.52 | VDVsx | Portugal, we are almost neighbors :) lol |
| 15:22.04 | neostrider | VDVsx: where in portugal? |
| 15:22.08 | binky | I've never crossed the frontier lol |
| 15:22.17 | VDVsx | south, near to Faro |
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| 15:22.35 | neostrider | cool |
| 15:22.50 | binky | What's there? There's a city called Vila Gordo do Antonio or something like that, near Ayamonte in Huelva, there's a ... valla? (wall of iron) |
| 15:22.51 | neostrider | my family are mostly from Vila Real , Tras-os-montes |
| 15:23.01 | neostrider | my grand-father is from Porto |
| 15:23.34 | neostrider | but Im sure I couldn't understand you. I went to the portuguese neighbourhood in Toronto and I couldnt understand a word they said |
| 15:23.47 | binky | lol |
| 15:23.53 | VDVsx | binky, Vila real de santo antonio is one city, monte gordo another :) eheheh |
| 15:24.12 | binky | Lol! |
| 15:24.36 | binky | My favourite band is coming to Portugal and I can't go to the show in spain... -_- |
| 15:24.49 | neostrider | whats the band? |
| 15:25.30 | VDVsx | neostrider, I understand very well brazilian persons :) Its almost the same with some accent :) |
| 15:25.33 | binky | SlipKnoT |
| 15:25.40 | binky | Nu-Metal music |
| 15:25.48 | binky | what music do you listen to? |
| 15:26.21 | binky | (I also like jazz, trip-hop and hard rock, but I mainly listen to Nu-metal, progressive metal or thrash) |
| 15:27.36 | neostrider | Im listening to NIN right now |
| 15:27.41 | neostrider | but its a Gary Numan cover |
| 15:27.42 | VDVsx | binky, I went once to Almeria (In a trip to Granada and Serra nevada), but didn't remember very well the city :) (I'm listen Stone sour right now, curious) |
| 15:27.46 | neostrider | I love technopop |
| 15:28.54 | binky | VDVsx, sometimes I prefer Stone Sour over SlipKnoT, don't know why |
| 15:29.11 | binky | neostrider, I love NIN, they are one of the few Industrial Metal bands I like |
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| 15:29.40 | neostrider | same here |
| 15:29.47 | binky | VDVsx, I played my first show with our band yesterday. Policemen went to stop as at the 5th song... |
| 15:29.55 | neostrider | but I like David Bowies's industrial rock albums |
| 15:30.05 | binky | Just when we were going to play Inhale by Stone Sour |
| 15:30.14 | VDVsx | binky, I didn't know that SlipKnot will come to Portugal :) |
| 15:30.16 | VDVsx | lol |
| 15:30.17 | neostrider | binky: this is a coolness factor meter ;-) |
| 15:30.25 | binky | neostrider, people tell me I look like David Bowie lol |
| 15:30.47 | neostrider | binky: wich age Bowie? |
| 15:31.01 | binky | Which age I am? |
| 15:31.03 | binky | I'm 13. |
| 15:31.14 | VDVsx | binky, Metallica and SlipKnot at the same festival, cool :) |
| 15:31.35 | binky | VDVsx, Metallica, SlipKnoT, Lamb Of God and Mastodon in Barcelona, 19th July |
| 15:31.37 | neostrider | no no... I mean, what bowie persona do you resemble? |
| 15:32.41 | binky | neostrider, I don't know. I've listened to almost the whole discography of David Bowie, but only saw a picture of him once. |
| 15:34.09 | neostrider | wow |
| 15:34.20 | neostrider | do you know the "Outside" album? |
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| 15:35.57 | binky | ...Heard of it, but.. I believe I never listened to it, why? |
| 15:38.18 | guysoft42 | hey, question: when i connect the device over USB, and try to do a dump from immc with dd it goes really slow (about 1bm a min). is there a way to speed it up? |
| 15:38.37 | neostrider | binky: try it...its the best |
| 15:38.49 | binky | neostrider, what style? |
| 15:38.58 | neostrider | guysoft42: the USB is very slow... |
| 15:39.08 | neostrider | binky: industrial...a lighter version of NIN |
| 15:39.27 | binky | guysoft42, I'd help you but I have no idea of what you're talking about, although my 770's USB goes slow as hell |
| 15:40.21 | guysoft42 | neostrider, binky that must explain it. what would be the fastest way to do a dd then of the internal flash? (the 2 gb one) |
| 15:40.34 | guysoft42 | blue tooth? |
| 15:40.51 | binky | ...dd stands for Direct Download? |
| 15:41.08 | neostrider | guysoft42: I just experienced this slowness. It took ages to copy some 200 MB of data over USB... |
| 15:41.29 | neostrider | binky: dd is a UNIX command/application to duplicate data |
| 15:41.50 | guysoft42 | binky, dd stands for i think data dump or something.. its a unix command to dump a drive to a file |
| 15:41.54 | binky | neostrider, my 770 goes fast 35 mbs. then stops there for... 2 or 3 minutes, and goes another 35 MBs, that way until it finishes |
| 15:42.16 | ShadowJK | so 35 meg into ram ;) |
| 15:42.25 | binky | guysoft42, why don't you set up a FTP network with the 770 and a computer and just pass files over wifi |
| 15:43.11 | guysoft42 | binky, well i wanted a solution that i can run off the computer. i rather dd to the PC directly, and not dd on the device an copy |
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| 15:44.08 | binky | oh...... then i can't help, sorry. |
| 15:44.26 | binky | I can't heeelp with falling in love (8) i was listening to it ... lol |
| 15:44.41 | neostrider | binky: ?? |
| 15:45.11 | binky | neostrider, Can't Help With Falling in Love by Elvis |
| 15:46.07 | binky | It's true when Aisu said that the untar of KDE would take forever. |
| 15:46.27 | binky | almost 1'5 hours... |
| 15:46.38 | binky | Oh, It's un taring Kopete |
| 15:47.26 | neostrider | binky: KDE for Maemo? |
| 15:47.37 | binky | Of course. |
| 15:47.56 | neostrider | what device? |
| 15:48.00 | binky | 770 |
| 15:48.09 | binky | but It's available for all of ITs. |
| 15:48.16 | neostrider | OMG! |
| 15:48.21 | neostrider | what size? |
| 15:48.25 | binky | XFCE is also available. |
| 15:48.28 | binky | Hmmm |
| 15:48.36 | binky | 700 MBs I think |
| 15:48.44 | binky | I partitioned the 2 GB MMC |
| 15:48.58 | binky | 480 MBs for FAT and the rest for the OS |
| 15:49.13 | binky | so I downloaded it in / |
| 15:49.19 | binky | and it's unzipping... |
| 15:49.22 | binky | untaring I mean |
| 15:49.26 | binky | XFCE is slighter |
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| 15:49.45 | binky | and now I repent for installing KDE instead XFCE and noticing I'm an idiot, but... |
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| 15:51.33 | neostrider | how hacky is it? |
| 15:51.55 | binky | not much |
| 15:52.04 | binky | It's a pretty standard version |
| 15:52.16 | binky | you can't install any KDE app that isn't included though |
| 15:52.27 | binky | you must partition your MMC card and boot from it |
| 15:52.39 | binky | then download a .tar.bz2 and untar it |
| 15:52.51 | binky | and under Extras, you'll see KDE 3.5.6 |
| 15:53.26 | binky | It pretty usable (people say, I haven't tried it yet... it keeps un taring forever( |
| 15:53.36 | neostrider | hummm..sounds too hacky for me |
| 15:54.15 | neostrider | last time I tried such a thing, was in my EZX phone. I booted OpenMoko on it...but it got so hot that I had to take the battery out |
| 15:54.29 | binky | :o |
| 15:55.10 | binky | COME ON, Why The Hell you include Kalzium , KStars and Kangram, I don't need them absolutely! |
| 15:55.46 | binky | Noo! It will come with Noatun, I hate it. |
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| 15:58.10 | binky | My mouse batteries ran out hours ago, but for some reason, taking them out, and in makes them work for 2 minutes. |
| 15:58.18 | binky | ... It doesn't work anymore. |
| 15:58.32 | binky | I'll read something to have fun while KDE installs. |
| 15:58.38 | neostrider | weird |
| 15:58.53 | neostrider | I dont like all that KDE useless stuff |
| 15:59.07 | neostrider | my EeePC comes with mr portato guy (or something like that) |
| 15:59.07 | binky | cool... now It's untaring Mahjong. |
| 15:59.19 | neostrider | I would love to take it out...but its unionFS |
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| 15:59.30 | binky | I loved it 7 years ago. |
| 15:59.40 | binky | That was my first Linux experience. |
| 15:59.55 | binky | I was 6 and my brother installed SuSE with KDE. |
| 16:00.16 | neostrider | mine too...but then I evolved =-P |
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| 16:01.24 | binky | I played Mr. Potato Guy, played with the Periodic Table (With 5 years I learned the whole periodic table for no reason, and now I have to study it for school. Also, I knew AAAALLLL countries capitals and flags) with Kalzium and watched Nightsky with KStars. |
| 16:01.48 | binky | I wonder it comes with it all because developer's kid. |
| 16:01.57 | binky | Penguinbait has a kid? lol |
| 16:02.15 | binky | Man, I was a nerd when I was 6... |
| 16:02.35 | binky | oh, a ver conjugator preinstalled... |
| 16:02.38 | binky | verb/ |
| 16:02.41 | binky | verb* |
| 16:02.49 | binky | how do I invocate infobot? |
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| 16:08.15 | guysoft42 | the speed was 46.2 kB/s |
| 16:09.58 | RST38h | moos evilly |
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| 16:12.10 | neostrider | binky: what ITOS do you have? |
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| 16:21.11 | t_s_o | anyone seen media player produce seg faults before? |
| 16:22.22 | neostrider | sometimes... |
| 16:22.50 | t_s_o | and the fix was? |
| 16:23.28 | neostrider | "next song, please"? |
| 16:23.31 | neostrider | =-p |
| 16:23.39 | neostrider | have you ever tried the MPlayer port? |
| 16:23.39 | t_s_o | heh |
| 16:24.03 | t_s_o | well im not exactly asking for myself, so... |
| 16:27.33 | binky | neostrider, the latest build of OS2006 |
| 16:27.44 | binky | I tried OS2007, which was a true pain and sucked really hard |
| 16:27.51 | binky | (Hacker edition of course) |
| 16:28.02 | neostrider | perfect. wanna try my games? |
| 16:28.23 | binky | and OS2008HE, which I loved but abandonned because of: I couldn't install apps and I couldn't connect USB to my computer with it |
| 16:28.24 | binky | ok |
| 16:28.28 | binky | tell me |
| 16:28.33 | binky | which games |
| 16:28.41 | binky | when KDE is installed if you don't mind... |
| 16:28.49 | binky | Can't try them right now |
| 16:28.56 | neostrider | sure.. I must make a special package for you first |
| 16:29.16 | BULLE | special rootkit, ehm, games, package! |
| 16:29.36 | binky | there is Arkanoid? I love arkanoid. Give me arkanoid! (lol) |
| 16:29.38 | neostrider | BULLE: special vir..games! |
| 16:29.43 | aquatix | turn your NIT into a Zombie today! |
| 16:29.45 | BULLE | neostrider: =D |
| 16:29.58 | BULLE | arkanoid was fu |
| 16:30.01 | aquatix | binky: heh, not such a bad call |
| 16:30.12 | neostrider | hum...no arkanoid..but I didnt know there was such a demand for it |
| 16:30.18 | neostrider | I may create one then |
| 16:30.27 | binky | lol |
| 16:31.12 | binky | my favourite games ever are Worms Armageddon or World Party, Age Of Empires II (I like III, but not the first one), Pang, Tetris and Arkanoid. |
| 16:34.08 | neostrider | I created a armagetron-like game (my first maemo game) |
| 16:34.11 | jagernot | binky have u tried boxar? :) |
| 16:34.13 | neostrider | a Driller like game |
| 16:34.20 | neostrider | and now Im working on a first person shooter |
| 16:34.37 | binky | jagernot, Never, what's about? |
| 16:34.44 | neostrider | gotta go now |
| 16:34.46 | neostrider | lunch time. |
| 16:34.49 | jagernot | http://www.poojyum.com/boxar |
| 16:35.07 | binky | Let's see... |
| 16:37.07 | binky | COOLEST THING EVER FOR TABLETS! |
| 16:37.17 | binky | THANK YOU SO FUCKING MUCH! |
| 16:37.20 | jagernot | thank you binky..im the author :D |
| 16:37.41 | binky | The only thing that I don't like... there is a bit of dealy... |
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| 16:37.51 | binky | But I hope I can leave with that. |
| 16:38.06 | jagernot | delay? xplain? |
| 16:38.20 | binky | So, can you change the song or it's always the cheap toy organ sound? (I like it, but i'll get tired of it) |
| 16:38.33 | jagernot | u can change scales |
| 16:38.41 | jagernot | also do rhythms |
| 16:39.16 | jagernot | and play with the speed of the rhythms etc..turn on sway to get a better sound |
| 16:39.36 | binky | Runs smooth in 770? Works in OS2006? |
| 16:39.50 | jagernot | ur running on 770? |
| 16:40.01 | binky | I only have a 770 |
| 16:40.06 | jagernot | i know it runs on n810, 800 |
| 16:40.24 | binky | I like it a LOT. Even more than Pyano, It's the only thing I can create something with in the tablet. |
| 16:40.41 | binky | I'll give it a try as soon as I can and tell you if it works and what doesn't. |
| 16:40.42 | jagernot | cool |
| 16:41.06 | binky | The box are the notes or are semitones? |
| 16:41.07 | binky | I mean |
| 16:41.17 | binky | in an horizontal row they go |
| 16:41.23 | binky | C, D, E, F... |
| 16:41.24 | binky | or |
| 16:41.32 | Jaffa | needs a larger tablet to show Mrs Jaffa romantic getaway ideas. |
| 16:41.34 | binky | C, C#, D, D#, E, E#, F, F#... |
| 16:44.11 | binky | jagernot, liqbase fakes multitouch? If liqbase isn't available for OS2006, boxar won't work, true? |
| 16:44.28 | jagernot | it doesnt use liqbase |
| 16:44.31 | jagernot | it uses gtk |
| 16:45.00 | jagernot | a row is one octave |
| 16:45.10 | jagernot | usually 6 rows |
| 16:45.12 | jagernot | 6 octaves |
| 16:45.14 | jagernot | C to C |
| 16:45.16 | jagernot | each row |
| 16:45.25 | jagernot | notes are dependent on the scale |
| 16:45.55 | jagernot | blues is C Eb F F# G Bb C |
| 16:46.24 | jagernot | so now matter how u play u will sound in tune |
| 16:46.36 | jagernot | bcos it only uses a subset |
| 16:46.56 | jagernot | of course if u want to do something serious u will want all the notes maybe |
| 16:47.48 | RST38h | Jaffa: Get an LCD TV =) |
| 16:48.04 | Jaffa | RST38h: Hmm, got one. Not a bad idea. |
| 16:48.20 | binky | jagernot, I will |
| 16:48.22 | binky | lol |
| 16:48.33 | qwerty12 | (this is the point where we hope the next tablet has vga out) |
| 16:48.56 | binky | I was surprised to see 4 consecutives boxes played Smoke On The Water |
| 16:48.56 | Jaffa | Or that TechCrunch tablet comes out of vapourware into reality. |
| 16:49.04 | RST38h | Obama's proposed 2010 budget goes where no Bush has gone before by including significant spending for scientific agencies, including NASA, the EPA, and Department of Energy |
| 16:49.25 | RST38h | Jaffa: At one point, I built a little cheap PC and placed it under the LCD TV |
| 16:49.47 | binky | jagernot, F#, A, B... F# A C B... |
| 16:49.58 | Jaffa | has a nice new media PC under there. Don't like it for web browsing, but for watching HD content it's pretty good :) |
| 16:50.02 | RST38h | Jaffa: makes the above task (and many others, like showing photos to guests) easy |
| 16:50.48 | jagernot | what is that binky? |
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| 16:50.59 | jagernot | blues in key of F#? |
| 16:51.06 | qwerty12 | Anyone know what the "defacto" kernel source location for 770 is? |
| 16:51.07 | binky | jagernot, actually, Smoke On The Water- |
| 16:51.34 | binky | qwerty12, I'd tell you, but my KDE keeps untaring after 2 hours and openiing a tab freezes the tablet... |
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| 16:52.09 | binky | jagernot, there is used the system of notation that goes "Do Re Mi Fa Sol La Si"? |
| 16:52.12 | jagernot | oh cool. disco_stu played smoke on water first |
| 16:52.15 | timeless | andre__: um, isn't ham open source? :) |
| 16:52.15 | qwerty12 | KDE never worked well on my N800 either, watchdog would reboot it when I was using Konqueror |
| 16:52.26 | jagernot | on boxar ie see his vid on youtube |
| 16:52.49 | jagernot | binky, never liked that notation though ... |
| 16:53.12 | binky | qwerty12, my illusions on KDE are completely gone now ... lol |
| 16:53.24 | binky | jagernot, In spain, people learn that notation the first |
| 16:53.34 | qwerty12 | Hehe, I felt the same when I tried it. More so because the installation was long as shit :P |
| 16:53.37 | andre__ | timeless, then don't use an ancient version ;-) |
| 16:53.38 | timeless | wtc |
| 16:53.47 | timeless | andre__: eh? |
| 16:53.52 | jagernot | oh |
| 16:53.55 | timeless | andre__, try loading https://stage.maemo.org/viewcvs.cgi/maemo//projects/haf/trunk/osso-application-installer/src/main.cc? |
| 16:54.00 | timeless | then click 'maemo' |
| 16:54.06 | binky | I studied saxophone and musical language 5 years and I actually have learned more piano and bass guitar than sax. |
| 16:54.17 | binky | qwerty12, how long was yours? |
| 16:54.27 | qwerty12 | about ~2 hours |
| 16:54.44 | binky | Uh, then is going to finish soon. |
| 16:55.05 | andre__ | timeless, 404 Not Found |
| 16:55.08 | binky | ./usr/local/kde/share/sounds/KDE_Logout:2.ogg |
| 16:55.18 | binky | that is what it's extraction |
| 16:55.18 | qwerty12 | timeless, it's in git now http://gitorious.org/projects/hildon-application-manager (although rejected...) |
| 16:55.25 | timeless | rejected ? |
| 16:55.27 | binky | extracting* |
| 16:55.31 | andre__ | only because of the two slashes |
| 16:55.47 | slonopotamus_ | Stskeeps,ping |
| 16:55.48 | binky | Will finish soon, true? TRUE? |
| 16:56.12 | timeless | andre__: anyway, https://stage.maemo.org/viewcvs.cgi/projects/haf/trunk/osso-application-installer/src/main.cc?root=maemo&view=markup |
| 16:56.19 | timeless | is just as broken as the version i referenced |
| 16:56.20 | binky | /usr/local/info! Go, 770! Go! |
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| 16:56.43 | andre__ | yupp |
| 16:56.51 | timeless | but since it's open source, you're free to figure out that it's broken in latest |
| 16:57.53 | andre__ | and i'm also free to not care :) |
| 16:58.06 | slonopotamus_ | will convince timeless one day to use gentoo and forget about maemo patched nightmare :) |
| 16:58.19 | timeless | slonopotamus: i'm perfectly happy w/ windows |
| 16:58.31 | lbt | so how do I get an icon for my app to appear in Application manager? |
| 16:58.42 | timeless | when my vendor messes up, i call it, and they deal w/ my problem |
| 16:58.44 | lbt | timeless: me too - it's windy without them :_ |
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| 16:59.19 | slonopotamus_ | timeless, bullshit. FIF - that's what vendor says. |
| 16:59.22 | qwerty12 | lbt, google Maemo-Icon-26 |
| 16:59.36 | timeless | fif? |
| 17:00.01 | slonopotamus_ | Fixed In Fremantle |
| 17:00.06 | lbt | qwerty12: ta |
| 17:00.11 | RST38h | slono: There is also Will be Fixed in Harmattan |
| 17:00.12 | slonopotamus_ | = never officially fixed for my device |
| 17:01.26 | timeless | slono: as i said, i'm perfectly happy w/ windows :) |
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| 17:01.50 | slonopotamus_ | timeless, on tablet? |
| 17:02.22 | timeless | slono: vmware demo'd windows something on the n800 :) |
| 17:02.38 | slonopotamus | timeless, windows ce |
| 17:02.45 | timeless | but actually, the w31 ui has always been a reasonable touch ui |
| 17:02.50 | timeless | (or os/2) |
| 17:03.01 | slonopotamus | timeless, you're happy with windows ce? :) |
| 17:03.02 | timeless | big enough icons and safe tapping behaviors :) |
| 17:03.11 | timeless | i'm very happy not using it ;-) |
| 17:03.29 | timeless | i'd be happier not using symbian too :^) |
| 17:03.53 | timeless | so what is gitorious, and why does google say it doesn't exist? |
| 17:03.54 | timeless | :) |
| 17:04.03 | timeless | -- and don't tell me to google it |
| 17:04.13 | slonopotamus | does anybody know what vkb is used in deblet? |
| 17:05.26 | qwerty12 | timeless, git repository where open source projects can host them selves on. repo.or.cz is a similar thing |
| 17:05.42 | timeless | so, i take it that this one is dead |
| 17:05.47 | timeless | which is why people gave me a link to it |
| 17:06.27 | qwerty12 | Seems like the whole of it is down |
| 17:06.54 | suihkulokki | the weekend of down |
| 17:06.54 | qwerty12 | I used it a while back to grab the last version of the release_diablo branch |
| 17:07.21 | fauxmight | is maemo's net mgmt code open? i want to code out the radius cert expire check. |
| 17:07.29 | timeless | no. |
| 17:07.33 | slonopotamus | hmm |
| 17:07.47 | slonopotamus | fauxmight, christendoc? |
| 17:07.48 | timeless | fauxmight: if you prepare a fairly detailed question, someone could check during a work day |
| 17:08.13 | fauxmight | slonopotamus: this was one of my original gentoo 810 reasons. and yes. |
| 17:08.49 | slonopotamus | fauxmight, good... err... 20-11=9. good morning? :) |
| 17:09.01 | fauxmight | timeless: work day?? we're FOSS volunteers :) |
| 17:09.33 | fauxmight | slonopotamus: you got it. and good evening to you, sir :) |
| 17:10.11 | slonopotamus | fauxmight, i got lxde running ;) talking with gentoo people about official stages :) |
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| 17:11.20 | fauxmight | very nice. i'm a dentist by day, and work's been insane pretty nmuch since the new year. I haven't done any gentoo 810 work in almost two months. |
| 17:11.59 | fauxmight | you get a bluetooth kb for 800? |
| 17:12.14 | slonopotamus | fauxmight, ah, and almost working wifi. suspect it works, just need to give config file to wpa_supplicant |
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| 17:12.44 | slonopotamus | fauxmight, i do everything in chroot. possibly will have vkb next week |
| 17:13.22 | timeless | fauxmight: i'm offering something |
| 17:13.25 | timeless | take it or leave it. |
| 17:13.34 | zs | hmm gentoo 810, what's that? |
| 17:13.48 | slonopotamus | hehe |
| 17:14.04 | fauxmight | I'm on 810. if kb works w/ maemo krnl, i've got to try out your stuff soon. the omap krnl was good for 810 kb, but i haven't tried on maemo's kernel. |
| 17:14.05 | slonopotamus | zs, that's different world :) |
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| 17:14.52 | slonopotamus | fauxmight, kb works, just need to give config file to X with proper key mappings. |
| 17:14.55 | fauxmight | timeless: are you with nokia? not sure i understood your offer. thought u were kidding around. |
| 17:15.15 | timeless | i am. and no, i was quite serious |
| 17:15.42 | timeless | but you've wasted enough of my time |
| 17:15.47 | timeless | there's a very good dinner waiting for me |
| 17:15.52 | b-man | lol |
| 17:15.58 | timeless | so i'm going to pack up my wallet, dress up in a suit, and go enjoy it |
| 17:16.04 | fauxmight | timeless: np sorry about that. |
| 17:16.10 | slonopotamus | timeless, what's up with you? :) |
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| 17:18.40 | slonopotamus | is scared of dentist that hack gentoo in spare time |
| 17:18.59 | b-man | hehe |
| 17:19.01 | fauxmight | heh heh... |
| 17:19.23 | fauxmight | each one keeps me sane from the other. |
| 17:20.43 | slonopotamus | fauxmight, anyway. i strongly advice you to give up linux-omap kernel until there's a strong need |
| 17:21.28 | qwerty12 | has fun on 2.6.21, all the patches I've collected (and some minor, little things of mine): http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/kernel/uber_kernel.diff |
| 17:21.46 | slonopotamus | fauxmight, or mer guys make it work in a good way :) |
| 17:22.49 | fauxmight | well, if maemo gives me a working kb at console and wpa_supp can play nice with cx3110x |
| 17:23.15 | qwerty12 | fauxmight, there's patches for wpa_supplicant & cx3110x @ cx3110x-devel |
| 17:23.20 | fauxmight | that's really all of the nice I'm looking for from a kernel |
| 17:23.27 | slonopotamus | fauxmight, why console? you can get X |
| 17:23.58 | slonopotamus | fauxmight, and wpa_supplicant, i just need to test it & write docs |
| 17:24.23 | fauxmight | qwerty12: played with that about a year ago. signal strength was sad. better now? |
| 17:24.36 | qwerty12 | No idea, icd user here :/ |
| 17:24.53 | fauxmight | slonopotamus: i need enough console to get e16 compiled :) |
| 17:25.18 | slonopotamus | fauxmight, compile inside chroot from maemo. |
| 17:25.32 | fauxmight | good point, slonopotamus |
| 17:26.03 | slonopotamus | fauxmight, i did that all work from cross-built system up to bootable with X |
| 17:26.14 | slonopotamus | that way, i mean |
| 17:26.30 | slonopotamus | fauxmight, bbeca |
| 17:26.34 | slonopotamus | aargh |
| 17:26.39 | fauxmight | my ideal though is bootable stage3, and then go where I wanna go. I'd was trying to build something suitably generic, like that. |
| 17:26.47 | slonopotamus | because console mode hass no use on n800 |
| 17:27.18 | slonopotamus | fauxmight, what do you call 'stage3'? |
| 17:28.09 | slonopotamus | fauxmight, 'system' + everything that is needed to boot? |
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| 17:28.10 | fauxmight | well, stage 3 not actually bootable, but chrootable. |
| 17:28.15 | fauxmight | yes |
| 17:28.17 | Andy80 | hi all |
| 17:28.43 | StsN800 | cx3110x wpa supplicant/networkmanager is trivial |
| 17:28.56 | slonopotamus | fauxmight, take my tbz with 'system' and follow instructions to nake it bootable |
| 17:29.04 | slonopotamus | s/nake/make/ |
| 17:29.10 | slonopotamus | O:-) |
| 17:29.14 | fauxmight | StsN800: u mean w/ dummy net? |
| 17:29.44 | fauxmight | sorry for choppy sentences. i'm remoted into irssi yping on 810 |
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| 17:29.50 | StsN800 | as in adding driver support to cx3110x |
| 17:30.08 | StsN800 | i'm in a car. |
| 17:30.15 | fauxmight | u win :) |
| 17:30.22 | slonopotamus | :D |
| 17:30.55 | slonopotamus | StsN800, what vkb you used in deblet? |
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| 17:31.45 | StsN800 | matchbox and at one point HIM |
| 17:31.49 | StsN800 | qwerty12, rndis? |
| 17:31.58 | lcuk | what happens if the compressed filesystem gets ummm full? |
| 17:32.11 | slonopotamus | lcuk, ugliness |
| 17:32.14 | StsN800 | lcuk, reboot loop often |
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| 17:32.46 | qwerty12 | StsN800, yer, usbnet in windows. Some guy claims to have it working via a way of a kernel patch and modifications to scripts. I've done them both, now lets see what happens. |
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| 17:39.18 | binky | hi, infobot lol |
| 17:39.42 | b-man | infobot: hello |
| 17:39.42 | infobot | hola, b-man |
| 17:40.09 | slonopotamus | binky, i suspect 128mb isn't enough for running maemo + kde |
| 17:40.09 | binky | I won't install XFCE for getting the same results... |
| 17:40.13 | qwerty12 | fucking vista: "'ping' is not recognized as an internal or external command, |
| 17:40.13 | qwerty12 | operable program or batch file." |
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| 17:40.37 | binky | slonopotamus, people got it to run in some way... |
| 17:41.15 | slonopotamus | qwerty12, you need to buy'n'download a special Ping Ultimate Edition 2009 for windoes vista for that |
| 17:41.29 | slonopotamus | binky, on 770? not sure |
| 17:41.43 | b-man | :D |
| 17:41.46 | slonopotamus | oh my |
| 17:41.47 | qwerty12 | slonopotamus, lol. Or type the full path manually. I think my $PATH is messed :) |
| 17:42.11 | binky | slonopotamus, at least that is what people sayl.. |
| 17:42.18 | slonopotamus | qwerty12, that's hacking. you're not allowed to do that |
| 17:42.54 | slonopotamus | qwerty12, only via licensed tools like Ping Ultimate 2009 |
| 17:43.14 | qwerty12 | hehe |
| 17:43.23 | qwerty12 | lemme reboot again and rebuild this kernel again... |
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| 17:46.33 | qwerty12 | God, I'm such a knobhead. I should have upgraded ndiswrapper sooner... |
| 17:46.43 | slonopotamus | ~ping |
| 17:46.44 | infobot | ~pong |
| 17:46.58 | FireFox16 | ~burn his N800 |
| 17:46.59 | infobot | ACTION pours gasoline all over his N800, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 17:47.04 | FireFox16 | :) |
| 17:48.52 | slonopotamus | ~cry |
| 17:48.53 | infobot | ACTION cries and sobs until she nearly drowns in her own tears. |
| 17:49.04 | slonopotamus | oh my. he is she. |
| 17:49.16 | FireFox16 | ~kill himself |
| 17:49.16 | infobot | ACTION shoots a charged pseudoneutrino gun at himself |
| 17:49.19 | StsN800 | qwerty12, any luck? |
| 17:49.25 | qwerty12 | StsN800, no :/ |
| 17:49.28 | qwerty12 | request timed out |
| 17:49.44 | slonopotamus | ~die |
| 17:49.44 | infobot | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 17:49.51 | qwerty12 | dunno if it's because it just didn't work, or if I'm using vista or if I fucked up somewhere |
| 17:49.55 | FireFox16 | ~blow up |
| 17:49.56 | infobot | ACTION blows up |
| 17:50.28 | FireFox16 | infobot: attack qwerty12 |
| 17:50.28 | infobot | ACTION grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing qwerty12 |
| 17:50.32 | FireFox16 | XD |
| 17:50.35 | qwerty12 | :P |
| 17:50.51 | StsN800 | qwerty12, maybe ip configuration on tablet |
| 17:51.10 | qwerty12 | ifconfig seemed to be showing legit results |
| 17:51.30 | qwerty12 | maybe it doesn't like vista enforcing ipv6 on each connection |
| 17:51.39 | slonopotamus | infobot, give me all your money |
| 17:51.40 | infobot | ACTION gives all your money to slonopotamus |
| 17:52.00 | FireFox16 | ~shag |
| 17:52.01 | infobot | ACTION strips and bends over.. give it to me baby ;) |
| 17:52.15 | FireFox16 | XP |
| 17:52.27 | slonopotamus | ~suicide |
| 17:52.28 | infobot | ACTION kills herself Juliet style, after seeing slonopotamus commit suicide |
| 17:52.39 | slonopotamus | woops |
| 17:52.44 | FireFox16 | ~nuke everyone |
| 17:52.45 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at everyone ... B☢☢M! |
| 17:53.01 | qwerty12 | ~$100 |
| 17:53.02 | infobot | ACTION gives qwerty12 full service! |
| 17:53.07 | qwerty12 | yeah baby |
| 17:53.12 | FireFox16 | lol |
| 17:53.21 | slonopotamus | :D |
| 17:53.26 | slonopotamus | ~$200 |
| 17:53.27 | FireFox16 | ~hump |
| 17:53.28 | infobot | ACTION humps the channel |
| 17:53.34 | slonopotamus | ~$300 |
| 17:53.35 | infobot | somebody said $300 was fine |
| 17:53.40 | FireFox16 | lol |
| 17:53.51 | slonopotamus | ~$1000 |
| 17:53.55 | qwerty12 | ~give qwerty12 ganja |
| 17:53.56 | infobot | ACTION gives ganja to qwerty12 |
| 17:53.58 | FireFox16 | ~100000000 |
| 17:54.09 | FireFox16 | ~$10000000 |
| 17:54.39 | FireFox16 | :P |
| 17:55.06 | FireFox16 | infobot: you suck |
| 17:55.07 | infobot | and very well I might add |
| 17:55.20 | FireFox16 | lol |
| 17:55.23 | slonopotamus | :D |
| 17:55.30 | slonopotamus | ))) |
| 17:56.15 | RST38h | ahhahaha |
| 17:57.01 | FireFox16 | ~burn |
| 17:58.06 | FireFox16 | ~strip |
| 17:58.07 | infobot | Secure password and account manager for Palm Pilots.. URL: http://www.zetetic.net/products.html#strip |
| 17:58.14 | FireFox16 | ??????????? |
| 17:58.15 | RST38h | ~rape FireFox16 |
| 17:58.16 | infobot | ACTION takes FireFox16 behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams |
| 17:58.23 | FireFox16 | wtf!?!? |
| 17:58.32 | qwerty12 | ~backshot FireFox16 |
| 17:58.33 | slonopotamus | ~sex :) |
| 17:58.35 | RST38h | You have been naughty. |
| 17:58.38 | slonopotamus | ~sex |
| 17:58.39 | infobot | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep, or super extractor, http://sf.net/projects/sex/ |
| 17:58.50 | qwerty12 | ~give RST38h a blowjob |
| 17:58.51 | infobot | ACTION gives a blowjob to RST38h |
| 17:59.00 | RST38h | how convinient |
| 17:59.02 | FireFox16 | ~rape qwerty12 |
| 17:59.03 | infobot | ACTION takes qwerty12 behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams |
| 17:59.09 | FireFox16 | XD |
| 17:59.12 | qwerty12 | ~shag FireFox16 |
| 17:59.13 | infobot | ACTION gives FireFox16 a good seeing to |
| 17:59.15 | qwerty12 | ~hump FireFox16 |
| 17:59.19 | qwerty12 | ~lash FireFox16 |
| 17:59.24 | FireFox16 | ~hump qwerty12 |
| 17:59.31 | FireFox16 | ~shag qwerty12 |
| 17:59.31 | infobot | ACTION gives qwerty12 a good seeing to |
| 17:59.32 | BULLE | dumps this conversation and sends it to maemo mailinglist |
| 17:59.42 | qwerty12 | No need, it's already logged :) |
| 17:59.48 | BULLE | damn! |
| 17:59.50 | FireFox16 | XD |
| 17:59.57 | slonopotamus | :D |
| 18:00.29 | lcuk | so when qwerty12_mum searches google she will know what to do lol |
| 18:00.42 | FireFox16 | lol |
| 18:00.47 | slonopotamus | ~touch BULLE |
| 18:00.48 | infobot | This is Fendor's pleasure only |
| 18:01.01 | slonopotamus | who's Fendor? |
| 18:01.09 | qwerty12 | ~sing I touch myself |
| 18:01.14 | RST38h | ~fendor |
| 18:01.19 | FireFox16 | XD |
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| 18:02.21 | b-man | infobot: nuke yourself |
| 18:02.22 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at yourself ... B☢☢M! |
| 18:02.29 | b-man | :P |
| 18:02.36 | b-man | ~nuke himself |
| 18:02.37 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at himself ... B☢☢M! |
| 18:02.42 | b-man | :) |
| 18:05.40 | b-man | infobot: burn himself and everyone around him |
| 18:05.41 | infobot | ACTION pours gasoline all over himself and everyone around him, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 18:06.07 | b_man | ~pussy |
| 18:06.08 | infobot | Read: b_man |
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| 18:07.16 | qwerty12_ | ~pussy |
| 18:07.17 | infobot | Read: qwerty12_ |
| 18:07.35 | b_man | infobot, you're a pussy |
| 18:07.36 | infobot | I know you are but what am I? |
| 18:08.00 | b-man | infobot, your a pussy |
| 18:08.13 | qwerty12_ | ?!?@!? |
| 18:08.26 | qwerty12_ | infobot, your a pussy |
| 18:09.01 | b-man | XD |
| 18:09.23 | b-man | is done |
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| 18:10.20 | lbt | where do I get the source for an app built using the autobuilder |
| 18:10.36 | qwerty12 | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/source/ |
| 18:10.57 | qwerty12 | <first letter of app>/<name of source package> |
| 18:11.07 | lbt | cool |
| 18:11.27 | lbt | I wonder if this should be linked from eg http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/personal-menu/ |
| 18:11.55 | lbt | I spent ages trying to find it |
| 18:12.10 | qwerty12 | If extras-devel is configured as a deb-src in your sources.list, apt-get source <name> in scratchbox also works |
| 18:12.33 | lbt | true |
| 18:12.53 | lbt | but I think a link is a good idea - binary only downloads is kinda wrong |
| 18:14.33 | slonopotamus | lbt, this is binary-based distr |
| 18:14.54 | lbt | ? |
| 18:15.17 | qwerty12 | But the app catalogue is meant to be viewed from the tablet I guess, I don't think many plan on getting the source from their tablet. as long as the source is there (for free things), I'm happy even if it isn't on the main product page |
| 18:17.22 | slonopotamus | qwerty12, 'source is somewhere' and 'source is easily used to build system from scratch' are completely different things. |
| 18:17.53 | qwerty12 | I aint talking about building a system from scratch. Hell, I'm not even talking about Maemo's source. |
| 18:18.05 | lbt | I think the source should be linked from the 'public page' for an app |
| 18:18.45 | lbt | and "maemo/downloads" seems like the place to go for maemo downloads - source and binary |
| 18:18.56 | lbt | clearly it isn't the main thing |
| 18:19.15 | lbt | and all I suggest is a footnote or entry in 'Links' |
| 18:19.39 | lbt | The problem is that if I go to the garage page (as I did) |
| 18:19.42 | lbt | that isn't updated |
| 18:19.58 | lbt | so https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=628 |
| 18:20.05 | lbt | has 0.7-6 |
| 18:20.20 | lbt | (I meant "that isn't updated *automatically*) |
| 18:20.27 | slonopotamus | lbt, that's a common maemo problem |
| 18:21.02 | slonopotamus | lbt, and it's unlikely to get fixed |
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| 18:21.07 | lbt | indeed - so I'm suggesting that the autobuilder built page should link to the source |
| 18:21.18 | lbt | why not? |
| 18:21.29 | b-man | ports more packages to ubuntu repository |
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| 18:23.08 | qwerty12 | wonders why fanoush uses the 770 mcpu=arm926ej-s when he is building for diablo in scummvm |
| 18:27.10 | slonopotamus | lbt, there isn't such this as 'public page for maemo patched gtk', for example. |
| 18:27.34 | lbt | I'm not asking for one :) |
| 18:27.59 | slonopotamus | lbt, packages do not have public pages by default |
| 18:28.02 | lbt | but where there is one - ie for all the apps in autobuilder... |
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| 18:28.20 | lbt | promoted ones do don't they? |
| 18:28.46 | slonopotamus | lbt, really? show me one for libxml, for example |
| 18:29.01 | qwerty12 | extras-devel, for free packages, does have the source but when it comes to promotion, it's up to the user whether to promote the source as well as binary to extras |
| 18:29.05 | Myrtti | my poor abandoned 770 is whimpering in the bathroom, "plz give me some E!" |
| 18:29.27 | lbt | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/personal-menu/ http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/enigma/ http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/aarddict/ |
| 18:29.33 | lbt | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/bluemaemo/ |
| 18:29.37 | lbt | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/vagalume/ |
| 18:29.44 | lbt | all "Free & Open Source license" |
| 18:29.46 | qwerty12 | aarddict isn't in extras |
| 18:29.47 | qwerty12 | ;) |
| 18:29.51 | lbt | none have a source linke |
| 18:29.57 | lbt | that's all I'm saying |
| 18:30.26 | slonopotamus | lbt, try filing bugreport |
| 18:30.27 | lbt | it is polite to provide source when you provide a binary |
| 18:30.31 | lbt | I am :) |
| 18:30.46 | lbt | just searching to make sure there is no dupe |
| 18:31.54 | lbt | qwerty12: so where is the aardict source? |
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| 18:32.18 | qwerty12 | ask them, not me. They have their own repo. |
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| 18:32.27 | mikkov_ | not promoting i386 or source is annoying, because promoter page gets just longer and longer |
| 18:32.38 | igagis1 | hi |
| 18:32.46 | b-man | hi |
| 18:32.54 | lbt | I thought all OSS apps had to be extras built |
| 18:32.55 | igagis1 | I'm trying to create a deb package of my application |
| 18:33.00 | igagis1 | and have some questions |
| 18:33.09 | lbt | igagis1: ask away :) |
| 18:33.41 | qwerty12 | /topic Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Don't ask if you can ask, just ask. |
| 18:33.46 | igagis1 | my app uses gtkmm, should I indicate dependency on maemo-cplusplus-device-env? |
| 18:34.01 | lbt | no |
| 18:34.17 | lbt | one sec |
| 18:34.25 | igagis1 | I remember that my app did not run on the device until I installed maemo-cplusplus-device-env |
| 18:34.50 | igagis1 | but may be there are some other packages which provide the same? |
| 18:35.35 | lbt | oh, hold on I misread 'devel' |
| 18:36.06 | igagis1 | yes, it is 'device' , not 'devel' :-) |
| 18:36.12 | lbt | this worked for me: http://pastebin.com/d430a3c00 |
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| 18:37.07 | igagis1 | ${shlibs:Depends} |
| 18:37.21 | igagis1 | what does that mean? |
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| 18:38.31 | mikkov_ | that adds depencies automatically |
| 18:38.36 | qwerty12 | dh_shlibdeps will do an ldd of sorts when building the deb and check the binary to check what libs it uses. it will then basically do dpkg -S on the lib to see what package provides the lib and substitute it in your depends |
| 18:38.43 | timelE61i | automagically figure out package depends using ldd |
| 18:39.35 | igagis1 | ok, so does that mean that I should build deb on device? |
| 18:39.41 | mikkov_ | no |
| 18:39.51 | igagis1 | ok |
| 18:40.08 | timelE61i | aRe you building an open source thing? |
| 18:40.24 | igagis1 | yes it is under MIT license |
| 18:40.37 | timelE61i | qwerty: how greedy are the versioning bits for dh_shlibdeps? |
| 18:40.52 | timelE61i | Igagis1: use autobuilder :) |
| 18:40.57 | RST38h | "n America, chicks are protest canaries. You can tell just how authentic a political rally is by the number of attractive women that attend." |
| 18:41.07 | RST38h | hehes |
| 18:41.13 | timelE61i | Source? |
| 18:41.36 | pupnik | is that an inverse relationship? |
| 18:42.00 | qwerty12_N800 | timelE61i: hmm? |
| 18:42.09 | igagis1 | timelE61i: are you asking me about sources? just confused |
| 18:42.33 | timelE61i | That was to rst |
| 18:43.03 | timelE61i | Qwerty: does it set a pkg min version based on the installed lib deb version? |
| 18:43.05 | RST38h | pupnik: Some people say it is |
| 18:43.33 | qwerty12_N800 | timelE61i: yeah, >= (the version installed) |
| 18:43.37 | timelE61i | One would hope it's based on proportion and not absolute numbers.. |
| 18:44.32 | timelE61i | igagis1: the reason not to use builder or auto is if you want to support an older version of a dependency |
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| 18:45.29 | timelE61i | Although getting that to work right is rare, so probably not worth considering |
| 18:45.41 | igagis1 | timelE61i: ok i'll consider using autobuilder... I'm creating the deb for the first time... not very good at it yet... |
| 18:46.13 | timelE61i | grab a vmdk, either maemo4sdk or mer |
| 18:46.16 | qwerty12_N800 | do it in your scratchbox first |
| 18:46.21 | timelE61i | And play there |
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| 18:56.20 | Firebird | does anyone know what qt45 package qmake is in? |
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| 18:58.09 | slonopotamus | Firebird, apt-get search qmake? |
| 18:58.54 | Firebird | apt-get doesn't have a search function does it? |
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| 18:59.05 | mikkov_ | apt-cache search |
| 18:59.10 | slonopotamus | s/apt-get/apt-cache/ |
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| 18:59.40 | Firebird | hmm, says its in libqt45-dev - Qt 4 development files but its not |
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| 19:02.54 | timelE61i | pkg search -lr qmake ;) |
| 19:03.01 | timelE61i | (requires a better os) |
| 19:03.16 | timelE61i | leaves to save battery |
| 19:03.17 | Firebird | eh, I found it... its in libqt4-dev but not 45 |
| 19:03.23 | qwerty12_N800 | Firebird: libqt45-dev has /usr/share/qt4/bin/qmake which symlinks to /opt/qt45/bin/qmake-qt4 |
| 19:03.45 | Firebird | so I need to install qt4 and 45 at the same time? |
| 19:03.57 | mikkov_ | no |
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| 19:04.33 | Firebird | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.13 | mikkov_ | /opt/qt45/bin/qmake-qt4 does |
| 19:05.14 | qwerty12_N800 | odd, existed in libqt45-dev_4.5.0~rc1maemo3_armel.deb |
| 19:06.26 | Firebird | well, the version I have doesn't have it |
| 19:07.56 | slonopotamus | Firebird, you have it installed? try find /opt -name qmake* |
| 19:08.01 | slonopotamus | will be slow |
| 19:08.07 | slonopotamus | oops |
| 19:08.14 | slonopotamus | 'find / -name qmake*' |
| 19:09.00 | mikkov_ | or update? I can't understand why it install anything to /opt |
| 19:09.05 | qwerty12_N800 | I presume it would have been installed by dpkg, so perhaps 'dpkg -S qmake' will be faster |
| 19:09.38 | slonopotamus | qwerty12, agree |
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| 19:10.44 | Firebird | hmm, nothing, I guess I'll use qt4 for now |
| 19:11.05 | Firebird | how does dbuildpackage handle make install? |
| 19:11.25 | mikkov_ | qt45 package is just broken: /usr/share/qt4/bin/qmake -> ../../../bin/qmake-qt4 |
| 19:12.01 | Firebird | I guess I did something wrong, dpkg-buildpackage made a deb with 3 empy folders |
| 19:14.50 | udovdh | hello |
| 19:14.56 | udovdh | ntpdate for n810, anyone? |
| 19:15.03 | udovdh | didn't find it yet |
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| 19:17.50 | mikkov_ | Firebird: do you have someting like "$(MAKE) install DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/packagename" in rules? |
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| 19:19.04 | Firebird | mikkov_, yeah, I forgot to change the install dir |
| 19:22.28 | udovdh | http://www.math.ucla.edu/~jimc/nokia770/dists/mistral/user/binary-armel/ for ntpdate? |
| 19:23.27 | Firebird | udovdh, openntp in extras |
| 19:24.31 | udovdh | it doesn't have ntpdate? |
| 19:24.55 | udovdh | the deb at the url I pasted works, as it appears |
| 19:25.15 | udovdh | or maybe use the gps for nptdate-like sync? |
| 19:25.28 | udovdh | does the n810 gps give us PPS? |
| 19:25.34 | udovdh | >:-) |
| 19:26.56 | qwerty12_N800 | gps-clockd @ http://nitapps.com/ |
| 19:31.55 | udovdh | qwerty12_N800, thanks |
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| 19:53.34 | Stskeeps | girlfriend playing chess on 770: "i think it's cheating" |
| 19:53.41 | Stskeeps | ponders if that would be a provable bug report |
| 19:54.10 | Jaffa | :) |
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| 19:54.57 | Stskeeps | ponders what this qtablet thing is |
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| 19:56.51 | Stskeeps | yet another "who the fuck needs clutter", maybe |
| 19:58.56 | Stskeeps | quite interesting though |
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| 20:02.38 | ShadowJK | udovdh, did you see about file manager? how would you make it more intuitive? :P |
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| 20:19.18 | RST38h | Sts: QTablet is not Clutter |
| 20:19.35 | RST38h | Sts: QTablet is an attempt to implement Hildon Desktop in QT |
| 20:19.50 | RST38h | Pretty raw attempt, judging from the video |
| 20:20.07 | lcuk | looks impressive actually, too much panning for my tastes |
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| 20:21.11 | RST38h | lcuk: it would look impressive if it were finished |
| 20:21.29 | RST38h | As it is though, it is just a scrollable canvas with a bunch of little icons |
| 20:21.30 | fireun | at least its not an attempt to make maemo into an iPhone |
| 20:21.50 | RST38h | does not see what fireun's point is |
| 20:22.08 | lcuk | the panning is very androidish |
| 20:22.24 | lcuk | its not very intuitive |
| 20:22.42 | fireun | RST38h: its not quite as pointless of an attempt |
| 20:23.21 | lcuk | it shows a great many things |
| 20:24.07 | RST38h | lcuk: who knows how they intend to use panning at the end... |
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| 20:27.27 | GeneralAntilles | lol . . . Grievances forum. |
| 20:27.34 | GeneralAntilles | That'll self-implode fast. |
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| 20:32.38 | lcuk | Stskeeps, its got quite reasonable performance |
| 20:42.15 | Stskeeps | RST38h: yeah, i know, but wondering who needs clutter for modern UI :P |
| 20:42.45 | lcuk | clutter is an abstraction, the only thing we cannot do in a 2d ui effectively is rotation |
| 20:44.53 | pupnik | 2d rotation? |
| 20:45.07 | lcuk | yeah i said effectively lol |
| 20:45.30 | lcuk | it just makes things much more difficult and fonts look wrong without subpixel rendering and stuff |
| 20:45.55 | GeneralAntilles | Ew ClearType |
| 20:46.05 | GeneralAntilles | Makes my eyes bleed and gives me vertigo. |
| 20:46.17 | lcuk | then its setup incorrectly for your display :) |
| 20:46.33 | lcuk | you should use the cleartype config tool and make it work for your monitor :P |
| 20:46.41 | lcuk | but thats a totally different issue |
| 20:46.42 | GeneralAntilles | Every single Windows machine I've ever used has made my eyes bleed. |
| 20:46.52 | GeneralAntilles | Something tells me it aint the monitors. |
| 20:46.58 | lcuk | thats windows itself, not cleartype :P |
| 20:47.25 | GeneralAntilles | shrugs. |
| 20:47.27 | lcuk | also, cleartype isnt for crt monitors |
| 20:47.30 | GeneralAntilles | I prefer OS X's font rendering. |
| 20:48.45 | lcuk | whats so special? |
| 20:48.54 | Firebird | hinting? |
| 20:49.16 | lcuk | no, direct question |
| 20:49.56 | Firebird | er.. what? |
| 20:50.29 | GeneralAntilles | It aims to replicate print |
| 20:50.48 | GeneralAntilles | Not fuck the shit out of every glyph of every font it renders. |
| 20:52.15 | GeneralAntilles | Really, though, I want high enough PPI displays that it doesn't matter. |
| 20:52.16 | lcuk | wasnt aware it was so bad, ive never had a problem reading any computer text :S from spectrums up. |
| 20:52.51 | lcuk | on an integer grid the problem will always exist |
| 20:53.53 | GeneralAntilles | 600ppi and it aint no problem anymore. |
| 20:54.04 | pupnik | tfts make my eyes go wonky sometimes |
| 20:54.12 | pupnik | each eye getting a slightly diff image |
| 20:54.23 | ShadowJK | yeah |
| 20:54.28 | pupnik | just barely, but ... |
| 20:54.37 | GeneralAntilles | can barely see out of his right eye, so it doesn't matter. |
| 20:54.41 | pupnik | i heard some folks only buy S-IPS because of that |
| 20:54.43 | lcuk | actually gan, it would be a problem |
| 20:54.51 | pupnik | not TN panels |
| 20:54.56 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, cha-ching! |
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| 20:55.57 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, get a pirate patch! |
| 20:56.33 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, had one for a while. |
| 20:56.42 | GeneralAntilles | To try to correct it in elementary school. |
| 20:57.23 | pupnik | what cha-ching. did i say something true? |
| 20:57.30 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, $$$$ |
| 20:57.35 | pupnik | ohhh yeah |
| 20:57.48 | GeneralAntilles | It'd be nice to be able to afford IPS for all your displays, but. . . . |
| 20:57.59 | pupnik | my 22" crt from 2000 still works nice |
| 20:58.19 | pupnik | a bit thirsty on the electric tho |
| 20:58.38 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 20:58.47 | GeneralAntilles | Got a 17" SGI Trinitron from 1999. |
| 21:00.18 | pupnik | yeah trinitron / diamondtron . nice contrast due to the shadow mask |
| 21:00.24 | pupnik | also good red phosphors |
| 21:00.41 | lcuk | pupnik, at least you dont need to install a room heater |
| 21:01.04 | pupnik | stopped running my pcs. switched to laptops. PC only for 3d games now. |
| 21:01.39 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, aperture grille. :P |
| 21:07.50 | pupnik | GeneralAntilles: im excited about new 3d drivers from nvidia. Soon we should get LCD projectors that can do 120hz for 60hz shutter glasses. |
| 21:08.03 | pupnik | if the mfgrs get off their butts |
| 21:08.18 | RST38h | does not want 3d stuff |
| 21:08.33 | RST38h | absolutely not use for it =( |
| 21:08.37 | GeneralAntilles | 3D is the future. |
| 21:08.49 | GeneralAntilles | I'm waiting for 3D to really take off in film. |
| 21:09.15 | pupnik | it does suck when you get cross-image ghosting (polarization schemes) or flicker (low speed shutterglasses) |
| 21:09.39 | pupnik | but supposedly nvidia 120hz shutterglasses work great |
| 21:09.46 | pupnik | just need a high bandwidth CRT |
| 21:09.53 | GeneralAntilles | I want some holograms. |
| 21:10.04 | pupnik | too much information to generate realtime |
| 21:10.05 | GeneralAntilles | Or maybe a neural implant. |
| 21:10.30 | pupnik | we wont live to see that |
| 21:10.41 | RST38h | fortunately. |
| 21:11.02 | pupnik | if governments could outfit us with electronic eyes, theyd blind us all at birth. |
| 21:11.39 | pupnik | hows that for a dystopia... |
| 21:11.54 | pupnik | any young folks here? |
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| 21:12.03 | RST38h | government does not need to go that far |
| 21:12.16 | RST38h | it gets a chance to blind you during your school years |
| 21:12.47 | RST38h | for a proof, find some article with an overview of high school history programs in different countries |
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| 21:35.02 | guysoft42 | hey, is there a way to sync gpe without ssh access? |
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| 21:56.16 | oli | made wifi link for 1100 meters with n800 |
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| 21:57.37 | hahlo | how? |
| 21:58.56 | lcuk | oli, parabolic dish pair, or pringles cans? |
| 21:59.15 | lbt | strong right arm? |
| 21:59.47 | oli | lcuk: ISP panel antenna <-> n800 |
| 22:00.47 | lbt | Carribean here I come... |
| 22:02.04 | mavhc | receiving the return signal is the hard bit I imagine |
| 22:02.27 | lcuk | in principle its the same problem |
| 22:02.46 | oli | it worked quite well when I didn't turn wrong way |
| 22:05.10 | oli | http://i40.tinypic.com/2z8cdau.jpg gmaps can't be wrong : P |
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| 22:11.51 | Macer | blah... going to have to put debian on the main server |
| 22:11.53 | Macer | fbsd can't run vmware |
| 22:12.01 | Macer | what a shame |
| 22:12.07 | Macer | hope debian isn't too bad |
| 22:14.23 | aquatix | rather likes debian |
| 22:14.33 | aquatix | but it's a matter of taste i guess |
| 22:14.39 | b-man | uploads sys-env-base and sys-env-x to ubuntu repo to make installing ubuntu from an installer easyer/faster |
| 22:15.17 | lcuk | oli, its no wonder it worked, your country is rendered at a lower dpi than other google earth countries, therefore the bits in your wifi transmission travel further |
| 22:15.35 | aquatix | oli: hm, you have composite and google earth? i gather the screen doesn't flicker? |
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| 22:18.01 | oli | aquatix: everything's ok |
| 22:18.49 | oli | lcuk: i had a clear wlan channel and optic visibility... it had to work, imo |
| 22:19.48 | aquatix | oli: what graphical driver do you have? |
| 22:21.00 | oli | aquatix: i'm not sure i'm using composite ;) |
| 22:22.30 | oli | nvidia-glx-96 -> 96.43.09-0ubuntu1.1 |
| 22:23.50 | aquatix | ah, nvidia |
| 22:24.03 | aquatix | uses fglrx and intel on another machine |
| 22:24.12 | aquatix | those tend to flicker when in composite mode :( |
| 22:24.20 | aquatix | at least, with google earth |
| 22:24.21 | aquatix | oh well |
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| 22:25.05 | oli | old 4000mx, worth one beer :) |
| 22:25.06 | bef0rd | I can see some flicker on my GMA950 with compiz enabled when new windows appear, its fugly :< I prefer to disable compiz |
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| 22:41.07 | neatojones | is anyone here good at ciphering config.log jibberish? |
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| 22:43.56 | AndrewFBlack | I just got that 770 that guy on itt sent me |
| 22:44.20 | Jaffa | neatojones: config.lo? |
| 22:44.22 | Jaffa | neatojones: config.log? |
| 22:45.03 | neatojones | I'm working on making e17 debs. I can make the debs, but I can't get the keyboard to work |
| 22:45.11 | neatojones | (onscreen keyboard) |
| 22:45.31 | neatojones | and according to raster (the e17 guy), it's related to a problem somewhere in ecore |
| 22:45.51 | neatojones | so, I'm looking at the config.log file for errors. I've found some, but most don't make any sense |
| 22:46.02 | neatojones | they aren't giving me useful info (that I can tell) |
| 22:47.47 | neatojones | the frustrating thing is that he said he used mer to install it, just like I did and got it working, so he must be doing something slightly different, but the key is what? |
| 22:49.44 | Jaffa | So this is e17's config.log file? |
| 22:49.57 | Jaffa | Because "config.log" is fairly generic, y'know ;-) |
| 22:52.12 | neatojones | yeah, but I figured one's ability to cipher them would be universal |
| 22:52.13 | neatojones | :D |
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| 22:52.38 | Jaffa | No. The format a random app logs in, and the specific useful messages it logs, are entirely specific to it. |
| 22:53.13 | Jaffa | Unless there's a big message in it saying "THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THE FILE ....; PUT A ';' AT THE END OF LINE 24"; but I figure you'd see that yourself. |
| 22:53.15 | neatojones | hmm. Maybe so. |
| 22:53.32 | neatojones | I know it'd help to have a hand in the code that you are compiling |
| 22:53.39 | neatojones | but, some errors can be generic |
| 22:53.45 | neatojones | like gcc errors or whatever |
| 22:53.59 | Jaffa | So this is the config.log generated by running ./configure? |
| 22:54.06 | Jaffa | (or dpkg-buildpackage?) |
| 22:54.08 | neatojones | or "hey, idiot you need to install such and such" |
| 22:54.12 | neatojones | yep |
| 22:54.34 | Jaffa | Look through it, send it to raster - or ask him for his - and do a diff <shrug/> |
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| 22:54.54 | neatojones | yeah. that's what I'm thinking on doing. But it is LONG. |
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| 22:55.21 | neatojones | the compile errors don't stop the compile |
| 22:55.51 | neatojones | so, I don't even know if they are really a problem. |
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| 23:03.05 | b-man | hello, neatojones :) |
| 23:03.16 | neatojones | hey b-man |
| 23:06.34 | b-man | i'm switching to an easier install method for ubuntu by adding sys-env-base and sys-env-x to the ubuntu repo - witch basicly are metapackages like nit-env-basic and nit-env-x in deblet :) |
| 23:06.48 | neatojones | very nice |
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| 23:09.46 | neatojones | that would be great. |
| 23:09.51 | neatojones | I'm still working on the keyboard |
| 23:10.00 | neatojones | and I'm a perfectionist...so it's killing me. |
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| 23:10.30 | AndrewFBlack | hey where do you download HE editions of OS2007 and OS2008? |
| 23:10.38 | neatojones | The keyboard is supposedly really great. I'll make some debs from what I've built. |
| 23:10.48 | neatojones | I have the debian control files already setup. |
| 23:11.04 | bef0rd | tablets-dev |
| 23:11.09 | bef0rd | ~flashing |
| 23:11.09 | infobot | rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 23:12.31 | b-man | i'm still working on getting a package up that will install most of the x11 configuration files in ubuntu :) |
| 23:13.00 | b-man | e.g. rc.local and xorg.conf |
| 23:13.30 | AndrewFBlack | before I feel like an idiot 770 only has the one mmc card slot right |
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| 23:13.47 | neatojones | AndrewFBlack: sorry, don't know. |
| 23:14.12 | b-man | i think it only has one :p |
| 23:15.41 | b-man | uploads new packages to repo |
| 23:16.15 | b-man | i've also included more stuff from deblet |
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| 23:17.20 | AndrewFBlack | lurks around server watching everything b-man uploads |
| 23:17.23 | AndrewFBlack | jk |
| 23:17.28 | b-man | lol |
| 23:18.03 | AndrewFBlack | I guess qole thinks I do because he put an empty txt file named thanks.andrew |
| 23:18.38 | b-man | same with qwerty12 ;) |
| 23:19.25 | AndrewFBlack | http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/Thanks%20Andrew well atleast he put something in his file lol |
| 23:20.59 | bef0rd | http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/1epdfviewer.png what's the name of this theme? |
| 23:21.01 | b-man | hehe |
| 23:21.23 | AndrewFBlack | tritrilliam or something |
| 23:21.39 | qwerty12_N800 | bef0rd: tritanium in extras |
| 23:21.57 | AndrewFBlack | hey I was close |
| 23:22.20 | AndrewFBlack | hey qwerty btw |
| 23:22.30 | qwerty12_N800 | (although the fonts are the droid ones in that screenie) |
| 23:22.36 | qwerty12_N800 | hi AndrewFBlack :) |
| 23:23.09 | AndrewFBlack | bef0rd more screenshots and their other themes at http://synthesize.us/Hildon_themes |
| 23:23.21 | bef0rd | Thanks! |
| 23:23.29 | bef0rd | My n810 needs some love heh |
| 23:23.51 | AndrewFBlack | I can't tell if this 770 has a mushy screen or a screen protector |
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| 23:24.17 | pupnik | the screen on 770 is mushier feeling than N810 |
| 23:24.32 | b-man | hello StsN800 :) |
| 23:24.40 | pupnik | you can tighten up the feel by substituting a shorter 'click' tapping sound |
| 23:24.42 | pupnik | :) |
| 23:25.23 | AndrewFBlack | well I really only got it for testing some stuff on so I wont be using it much |
| 23:25.48 | neatojones | did anyone ever find anything with the N810 keyboard status in Mer? |
| 23:25.54 | neatojones | in/out... |
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| 23:26.07 | neatojones | I was just wondering if there is a place I can look to research it. |
| 23:26.38 | neatojones | also where is ignore_built_in_keyboards file located? |
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| 23:44.20 | neatojones | WOOOHOOO!!!!!!!!!!! I got the onscreen keyboard going!!! |
| 23:44.34 | fireun | good job |
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| 23:44.51 | neatojones | now to make debs |
| 23:44.53 | neatojones | ... |
| 23:45.55 | bef0rd | neat |
| 23:50.12 | lcuk | how do we deal with development. properly i mean. we have people working on all different parts, but each island doesnt know the codebase for the others, so solutions in one area arent relatable to others. this is a direct linux problem as well in a way |
| 23:50.38 | Macer | oh good lord |
| 23:50.50 | Macer | it's over for twitter... they are showing it on the news about how cool it is |
| 23:50.58 | lcuk | yeah they do lol |
| 23:51.00 | Macer | adds twitter to the future lame list |
| 23:51.11 | Macer | like myspace |
| 23:51.18 | lcuk | twitter is just irc where everyone is on /ignore by default |
| 23:51.24 | Macer | haha |
| 23:51.41 | Macer | i hate when they show news stories about these sorts of things |
| 23:52.08 | lcuk | the thing is, it can work, theres more expected but twitter has it - location freedom and quick simple effects |
| 23:52.19 | Macer | ruin it for everybody :) then they show arrogant white people doing things on their yuppie macbook talking about how cool they are because they use twitter |
| 23:52.31 | Macer | cattle |
| 23:52.36 | lcuk | i saw a top 20 porn stars on twitter the other day |
| 23:52.54 | Macer | tera patrick make the cut? :) |
| 23:52.57 | lbt_ | twitter is for people who think that what they say is more important than what they listen to |
| 23:53.07 | lcuk | mind you, i dont wanna know that they just took a crap |
| 23:53.11 | lcuk | dunno |
| 23:53.14 | lcuk | wasnt reading |
| 23:53.17 | Macer | lbt_: haha |
| 23:53.30 | Macer | lbt_: isn't that what blogging is for? |
| 23:53.42 | lbt_ | yep |
| 23:53.43 | Macer | don't even get me started on "blogging" i just want to systematically murder people that say it in public |
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| 23:54.04 | Macer | or people on tv who say "i'll put it on my blog ha ha ha ha ha" |
| 23:54.05 | lbt_ | some blogging makes sense - |
| 23:54.10 | lbt_ | family things |
| 23:54.18 | neatojones | adds Macer to his list of people to avoid in dark alleys |
| 23:54.21 | Macer | yeah i suppose.. but most of it is like.... UGHHHH |
| 23:54.27 | Macer | SHUTUP!! :) |
| 23:54.47 | Macer | neatojones: just don't say "i'll blog it" and you'll be fine |
| 23:54.51 | lbt_ | I read a blog once |
| 23:55.06 | lcuk | lbt, liqbase is intended to be shared as well. the calendar and quick notes are perfect for this kind of thing |
| 23:55.07 | neatojones | doesn't blog because he's too lazy. |
| 23:55.07 | Macer | some of them are OK.. like i don't mind review blogs or hardware blogs that have actual information about things |
| 23:55.20 | lbt_ | some bloggers are good writers - funny |
| 23:55.25 | lcuk | but not really general public consumption - just between me and tracy usually, or between me and work ppl |
| 23:55.26 | Macer | but to hear about a penis piercing and how peple want to kill themselves.. etc |
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| 23:55.42 | lbt_ | Macer: what blogs are you looking for!!! |
| 23:55.48 | Macer | don't tell the internet.. tell a shrink |
| 23:55.50 | neatojones | avoids reading like the plague and doesn't think his life is worth others reading about (as he posts useless information about himself on xchat) |
| 23:56.01 | lcuk | i use irc as my blog :D |
| 23:56.06 | Macer | lcuk: as you should! |
| 23:56.19 | Macer | but irc is irc :) a blog is just lame |
| 23:56.24 | lbt_ | lcuk: yep, I used to blog as a way of making notes |
| 23:56.28 | lbt_ | it failed |
| 23:56.29 | lcuk | i have a general public chan and my liqbase chan |
| 23:56.47 | lcuk | well thats the second part of whats being built :) we shall come to that later |
| 23:56.57 | bef0rd | waits for 'export to svg' feature on liqbase |
| 23:57.18 | lcuk | bef0rd, but i did a convert to svg, and frankly i was not impressed with the results |
| 23:57.37 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liqriver.php |
| 23:57.40 | lcuk | that is svg |
| 23:57.47 | lcuk | direct from sketches |
| 23:58.00 | lcuk | the svgs are awful at being rendered |
| 23:58.05 | lcuk | they each take an age |
| 23:58.14 | lcuk | and cant be resized in a "cool" manner |
| 23:58.21 | neatojones | lcuk, your image posts to ITT nearly crashed my computer this morning. |
| 23:58.24 | lcuk | and scrolling with them is crap |
| 23:58.32 | bef0rd | they look nice for me heh |
| 23:58.35 | lcuk | lolololol neatojones i made it a link |
| 23:58.59 | lcuk | bef0rd, minimize and reshow the page, thers something wrong with refreshes for svg |
| 23:59.10 | neatojones | it flatlined...at 100% |
| 23:59.14 | lcuk | when i did that and saw how bad it was i redirected self elsewhere |
| 23:59.29 | lcuk | but - its easy to do and ill put it somewhere if you want it |
