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| 02:51.02 | timeless | msgid "Unkown" |
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| 04:43.10 | GAN8001 | groans @ -community. |
| 04:43.29 | GAN8001 | The Nokia proposed community council . . . :shudder: |
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| 05:32.00 | timelE61i | Why am i subscribed there? |
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| 05:54.04 | Andrewfblack_ | Hey bman |
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| 05:54.30 | b-man | Hello, Andrewfblack :D |
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| 06:35.55 | b-man | qwerty12: do you ever sleep? :P |
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| 06:50.33 | yukop4 | hi anyone know how to get radio streams to work on streamtuner |
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| 07:08.43 | pupnik | yukop4: i used it on 770 - worked for me. can you rephrase your question? |
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| 07:13.57 | yukop4 | i am trying to get a particular station here in australia to work on streamtuner-it is called pbsfm 106.7-check it out and see if you have any luck |
| 07:14.42 | yukop4 | http://www.pbsfm.org.au/ is the link |
| 07:37.23 | hahlo | offtopic any suggestions from cheap (6-700e) laptop which would work well with linux? |
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| 07:46.58 | Addison | Greetings benson! How's it going? |
| 07:49.24 | lcuk | who on earth preprogrammed kids to get up and demand breakfast so soon |
| 07:49.43 | lcuk | can never get used to this |
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| 07:54.21 | lcukx41 | kicks ubuntu |
| 07:54.45 | Addison | Hey bunanson, give a shout out if you're here. |
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| 08:11.42 | Mikho_ | would anyone know if it's possible to read from a file descriptor with recv()? |
| 08:11.59 | Mikho_ | im getting a socket operation on non-socket error |
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| 08:13.30 | Mikho_ | the file descriptor is an open serial port connection over bluetooth |
| 08:13.36 | bunanson | ? |
| 08:15.32 | Addison | Heya bun! Welcome! |
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| 08:22.38 | RST38h | moo, lcuk |
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| 08:45.13 | lcukx41 | hiya RST38h |
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| 09:17.06 | jyro | hi, i am trying to put my python deb package to maemo extras, but i do not find any clear instructions for pure-python packages |
| 09:17.22 | jyro | i have permissions, and i have read http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras |
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| 09:17.42 | jyro | i also checked py2deb |
| 09:19.51 | jyro | am i supposed to upload a ready .deb file OR should i create some kind of source tarball and let the autobuilder build the package? |
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| 09:34.13 | lcukx41 | #ubuntu is like a cattle market |
| 09:34.18 | lcukx41 | mornin qwerty |
| 09:35.04 | qwerty12 | hi lcukx41 |
| 09:37.08 | lcukx41 | kicks metacity |
| 09:37.13 | lcukx41 | ~lart metacity |
| 09:37.13 | infobot | slaps metacity around with a large trout |
| 09:38.09 | qwerty12 | gnome-panel & nautilus are my pet hates. nautilus is crashy as shit and gnome-panel freezes up if I have an open sftp connection from nautilus and forget to close it before my internet gets disconnected >.< |
| 09:39.20 | RST38h | why not uninstall nautilus? |
| 09:39.55 | qwerty12 | It's the only file manager I'm accustomed to now sadly :( |
| 09:40.53 | qwerty12 | Also I think ubuntu-desktop package depends on it (think of it as the equivalently annoying osso-software-version in maemo) |
| 09:41.09 | lcukx41 | i just cant make any new window open up "normal", everything starts minimized |
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| 09:46.37 | RST38h | qwerty: Try Midnight Commander from console window |
| 09:46.54 | RST38h | qwerty: In a few weeks you will not feel sorry about uninstalling Nautilus |
| 09:47.22 | AStorm | pcmanfm |
| 09:47.33 | AStorm | who needs nautilus or mc |
| 09:47.35 | AStorm | :> |
| 09:47.41 | RST38h | mc is different though |
| 09:47.48 | AStorm | mc's too heavy for commandline |
| 09:47.59 | AStorm | and not convenient enough |
| 09:48.06 | qwerty12 | Hehe, yeah, I am thinking of Midnight Commander - to transfer files at least. I transferred a 3.9gb file from my linux partition to my windows one using nautilus and rebooted into windows to find the file was 0b :/ |
| 09:48.11 | AStorm | still, we could use a tablet-oriented wm |
| 09:48.15 | RST38h | AStorm: BTW, can we have PCManFM hildonized build for Maemo? |
| 09:48.20 | AStorm | file manager that is |
| 09:48.30 | AStorm | RST38h, if you make one - should be easy |
| 09:48.33 | RST38h | qwerty: that is not nautilus problem |
| 09:48.40 | AStorm | just mod the menu |
| 09:48.42 | qwerty12 | ntfs-3g? |
| 09:48.55 | AStorm | no |
| 09:48.58 | RST38h | qwerty: you prbably turned off the system in some premature way |
| 09:49.08 | RST38h | qwerty: it did not sync your ntfs partition |
| 09:49.12 | AStorm | exactly - didn't sync |
| 09:49.14 | qwerty12 | RST38h, no, I made sure to sync and umount the ntfs partition |
| 09:49.31 | RST38h | qwert: then it is very strange but still unlikely to ba nau's problem |
| 09:50.17 | qwerty12 | Maybe I'll get one of those ext3 drivers for windows and copy from there :). |
| 09:50.20 | lcukx41 | chokes |
| 09:50.36 | qwerty12 | As for PCManFM, it builds under maemo with some odd commenting out I did a long time ago |
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| 09:51.02 | qwerty12 | But to get proper functionality out of it, you need to have tap and hold implemented in it |
| 09:51.18 | RST38h | oh |
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| 09:52.16 | lcukx41 | am i the only one who hates tap n hold |
| 09:52.41 | AStorm | well |
| 09:52.51 | AStorm | it is useful for drag'n'drop |
| 09:52.57 | AStorm | but dnd is horrible |
| 09:52.58 | lcukx41 | different issue |
| 09:53.03 | AStorm | I prefer buttons |
| 09:53.50 | lcukx41 | i hate the delays that come from clicking and getting no response |
| 09:54.09 | RST38h | hates clicking and uses mc |
| 09:54.11 | AStorm | doubletap then? |
| 09:54.21 | lcukx41 | thats just as bad, the delays are there |
| 09:54.30 | RST38h | never understood why exactly you need an icon-based fm |
| 09:54.35 | AStorm | tap,tap+hold to drag |
| 09:54.46 | lcukx41 | but it doesnt respond in time |
| 09:54.57 | AStorm | RST38h, it is convenient for marking many files |
| 09:54.59 | lcukx41 | theres no feedback to know you have selected a file |
| 09:55.00 | RST38h | last icon based fm that worked for me was NeXTstep Filer, and I turned icons off there =) |
| 09:55.14 | RST38h | AStorm: Ins+PageDown |
| 09:55.20 | AStorm | no |
| 09:55.21 | lcukx41 | im not talking icons, im on about list selection, or tree nodes |
| 09:55.28 | AStorm | I meant non-continuous |
| 09:55.36 | Corsac | thunar \o/ |
| 09:55.37 | lcukx41 | Ctrl + click |
| 09:55.42 | AStorm | yup |
| 09:55.50 | RST38h | AStorm: you still need to peck through the window |
| 09:55.58 | lcukx41 | when its live and responsive it works |
| 09:56.01 | RST38h | AStorm: very unfomfortable when you need to scroll |
| 09:56.06 | AStorm | RST38h, yes, so? |
| 09:56.11 | RST38h | In console based fm, it is Ins / Down / PageDown |
| 09:56.18 | AStorm | I said we need a tablet-made fm |
| 09:56.27 | RST38h | Ah, you mean for the tablet... |
| 09:56.35 | Corsac | the original one is correct |
| 09:56.36 | AStorm | :P |
| 09:56.39 | Corsac | don't you think? |
| 09:56.42 | RST38h | no. |
| 09:56.45 | Corsac | ok :) |
| 09:57.00 | RST38h | AStorm: Let me see if there is a NeXT filer clone out there |
| 09:57.09 | RST38h | AStorm: it may be exactly what we need for the tablet |
| 09:57.18 | lcukx41 | AStorm: something fast and kinetic perhaps :P ;) |
| 09:57.26 | RST38h | AStorm: very compact and mouse oriented |
| 09:58.54 | AStorm | yes, and maybe modal? |
| 09:59.02 | AStorm | selection mode? |
| 09:59.25 | AStorm | because holding shift/ctrl/whatever is not good |
| 09:59.53 | AStorm | or maybe select by default |
| 09:59.58 | lcukx41 | some kind of menu "selection mode" |
| 10:00.03 | AStorm | and have "clear selection" button |
| 10:00.04 | lcukx41 | which adds tickboxes for your selection |
| 10:00.17 | AStorm | lol, why menu? |
| 10:00.25 | AStorm | why 1D on a 2D screen? |
| 10:00.31 | lcukx41 | cos most of the time you dont need loads of ticks in the way |
| 10:01.19 | timelE61i | jyro: autobuilder wants a src-deb. |
| 10:01.36 | timelE61i | There are instructions for using dput from there |
| 10:01.40 | jyro | i see |
| 10:02.16 | jyro | ok, i am guess i will use py2deb or something to make that src-deb |
| 10:02.17 | AStorm | lcukx41, not sure if kinetic is ok |
| 10:02.20 | jyro | thanks for the info |
| 10:02.34 | RST38h | AStorm: there is gworkspace =) |
| 10:02.41 | RST38h | imagine THAT on a tablet |
| 10:03.05 | AStorm | I find most kinetic uis fairly unwieldy... missing options etc. |
| 10:03.18 | AStorm | I mean, I tend to miss items |
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| 10:03.24 | lcukx41 | thats down tothe app itself |
| 10:03.31 | AStorm | and engage kinetics instead of clicks and vice versa |
| 10:03.33 | lcukx41 | kinetic just works to make it easy to scroll around |
| 10:03.44 | lcukx41 | nahhh best of both |
| 10:03.49 | AStorm | no, I prefer a wide scrollbar |
| 10:04.05 | lcukx41 | i can kinetic and select from the graffiti, or now in the new one i can kinetic or select from calendar |
| 10:04.09 | AStorm | not friction |
| 10:04.56 | lcukx41 | no reason why you cant - a scrollbar gives info and can remain usable |
| 10:05.19 | lcukx41 | i have one in the graffiti view which i use occasionally |
| 10:05.30 | lcukx41 | but scrollbars are bob for touch with thousands of items |
| 10:07.07 | lcukx41 | you waste 100*480 pixels to show a knob 100*4 pixels in size and have to aim for that tiny little thing |
| 10:09.19 | lcukx41 | considering the list itself might take up the entire 800*480 display having to restrict self to only 400 out of 384000 pixels.. |
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| 10:11.05 | aquatix | morning all |
| 10:11.26 | lcukx41 | mornin |
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| 10:12.34 | RST38bis | btw, that xterm with fullscreen bbg kbd - has it ever been packaged? |
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| 10:12.49 | lcukx41 | bbl |
| 10:12.52 | qwerty12 | yeah, I shoved it into my "mod" |
| 10:14.04 | RST38bis | is it still osso xterm? |
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| 10:14.35 | qwerty12 | it was indeed, last time I checked :) |
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| 10:15.54 | RST38bis | =) |
| 10:17.21 | thopiekar | jeremiah: PING |
| 10:17.40 | AStorm | lcukx41, the trick is to scroll when you reach bottom |
| 10:18.04 | AStorm | kinetic would be ok... but no stupid ice-skating pseudo-friction |
| 10:21.58 | RST38bis | let us all talk jeremiah into debianizing and repositing modified osso xterm =) |
| 10:22.49 | lcukx41 | doesnt the standard one work? |
| 10:23.08 | qwerty12 | I've added modifications to the packaging of osso-xterm to install the transparent keyboard images but I've done so in a rather dirty way (images get installed to /var/tmp and su - user -c mv moves it to ~/.osso-xterm) |
| 10:25.21 | timelE61i | evil |
| 10:25.51 | qwerty12 | But permissions are correct at least =) |
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| 10:27.39 | timelE61i | Ownership? |
| 10:27.50 | timelE61i | And it breaks on mer? |
| 10:28.24 | qwerty12 | Ownership is fine (I've verified that) and as for mer breakage, you're probably right. But it was never intended for Mer ;) |
| 10:36.01 | RST38h | qwerty: why not install into /usr/share? |
| 10:36.53 | qwerty12 | RST38h, good question, the person who made the fullscreen modification coded it so the images would be loaded from ~/.osso-xterm however and I never thought about changing that |
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| 10:40.43 | RST38h | "So, the big news? The massive sea change that will change us forever? App stores. Yes the ability for you to find the applications that companies want you to buy, as opposed to you reading about applications online on blogs and finding them yourself" |
| 10:40.50 | RST38h | Eeeek |
| 10:42.26 | lcukx41 | why should an app store be against what you read in a blog? we have a store already on maemo.org/downloads |
| 10:42.30 | RST38h | now really wonders what happens when the "services" bubble pops |
| 10:42.42 | RST38h | lcuk: Oh, it is not that |
| 10:43.20 | RST38h | lcuk: The problem here is that a lot of companies looked at Apple iPhone store and sudenly decided that this is the second coming of Christ |
| 10:43.37 | RST38h | lcuk: And they really, REALLY have to imitate it until it is "too late" |
| 10:44.18 | RST38h | In fact, poor Nokia has been trying to imitate it for a long time now - NGage, Nokia Download!, upcoming Ovi Store... |
| 10:45.06 | lcukx41 | well thats where nokia arent going right, its the framework that works, apple have a comfortable easy to use system which just happens to be "simple" to make new apps inside of |
| 10:45.18 | lcukx41 | the store ontop is just the icing |
| 10:46.20 | lcukx41 | sorta like what i was saying with calculators the other day, give customers 10 different calculators to choose from (and a way for some folks to make more) and let the punters choose which they want |
| 10:47.17 | RST38h | "easy to use" is not Nokia's way |
| 10:47.51 | lcukx41 | sure it is, its just they havent found their feet with all markets yet |
| 10:48.17 | RST38h | took Apple just ONE (long and laborous) try |
| 10:48.31 | RST38h | How many tries have we seen from Nokia? |
| 10:48.41 | lcukx41 | agreed |
| 10:50.06 | RST38h | oh, shit, ntfs has not been unmounted properly =( gotta reboot |
| 10:51.53 | RST38h | much better |
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| 11:05.22 | RST38h | lcuk: still here? |
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| 11:06.09 | lcukx41 | kinda, just hacking up a lung and readin slash |
| 11:06.30 | RST38h | lcuk: Let me take you even farther away from completing liqbase: http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=165683 |
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| 11:08.33 | lcukx41 | RST38h: you wont tempt me with your cubes, theres too many of samy things to make it easy. ive implemented one of those in windows before now |
| 11:08.49 | lcukx41 | and i think they are awful on your eyes |
| 11:08.56 | RST38h | At least I had to try =) |
| 11:09.08 | RST38h | (no, wouldn't use something like that myself) |
| 11:09.18 | lcukx41 | lol |
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| 11:10.22 | lcukx41 | rst38h, the file select for the book reader in liqbase currently shows a 1d version thereof |
| 11:10.33 | lcukx41 | wanted it to work better than it did |
| 11:10.50 | RST38h | is surprised seeing 1000+ file manager projects on sourceforge |
| 11:10.58 | aquatix | 1000+ |
| 11:10.59 | aquatix | ? |
| 11:11.01 | lcukx41 | yeah common things |
| 11:11.02 | RST38h | most of them seem to be done in PHP or Perl though |
| 11:11.03 | aquatix | that's a tad much |
| 11:11.09 | RST38h | it is, it is... |
| 11:11.09 | aquatix | ah |
| 11:11.28 | aquatix | i can imagine someone wanting a two-pane gui one |
| 11:11.30 | qwerty12 | Best is http://bfm.forchheimer.se/ :> |
| 11:11.31 | RST38h | looking for a nextstep-like one that would hildonize well |
| 11:11.33 | aquatix | like, mc |
| 11:11.37 | aquatix | but that's about it :) |
| 11:11.42 | lcukx41 | directory opus. |
| 11:11.46 | RST38h | aquatix: A lot of people use Windows Commander |
| 11:11.50 | lcukx41 | all file managers have to compare to it |
| 11:11.55 | aquatix | used it too |
| 11:11.57 | lcukx41 | and are currently lacking |
| 11:12.05 | lcukx41 | i know mc is similar |
| 11:12.05 | aquatix | RST38h: total commander it's called nowadays :) |
| 11:12.08 | RST38h | aquatix: so, yes, there ARE sad specimen who want two pane graphical manager |
| 11:12.15 | RST38h | aquatix: ah, whatever that shit is called |
| 11:12.19 | aquatix | hehe |
| 11:12.22 | lcukx41 | rst dopus is 2 pane |
| 11:12.25 | RST38h | can't stand it |
| 11:12.30 | aquatix | well, i kinda like being able to do so; i rather like mc |
| 11:12.35 | RST38h | lcuk: The old Opus of Amiga fame? Yes |
| 11:12.57 | RST38h | aquatix: I use FAR on Windows. |
| 11:13.26 | aquatix | ha |
| 11:13.30 | lcukx41 | rst, yeah |
| 11:13.38 | aquatix | RST38h: that's a bit limited in width though |
| 11:13.43 | lcukx41 | actually, dopus had feature creep and became a new explorer ;) |
| 11:14.42 | qwerty12 | RST38h, only reason I had to use FAR was SEFP :> |
| 11:15.22 | lcukx41 | http://www.boomerangsworld.de/worker/pics/worker-shot11.png <<< dopus 4 |
| 11:15.49 | lcukx41 | there is a dopus 9 now, something was lost in translation |
| 11:15.55 | aquatix | lcukx41: ick |
| 11:16.07 | qwerty12 | eurgh. the 90's can keep that. |
| 11:16.11 | aquatix | looks cluttery |
| 11:16.15 | aquatix | qwerty12: indeed |
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| 11:16.31 | lcukx41 | aquatix: configurable as much as required |
| 11:16.40 | aquatix | still |
| 11:16.41 | lcukx41 | you could add or remove or setup buttons as required |
| 11:16.53 | qwerty12 | Is there an option to make it less fugly? |
| 11:16.56 | aquatix | i want hotkeys, no buttons :) |
| 11:17.21 | aquatix | qwerty12: build it with something else than that motiv-like toolkit :) |
| 11:17.34 | qwerty12 | aquatix, you first :P :) |
| 11:17.41 | aquatix | no thanks |
| 11:17.43 | aquatix | i have mc |
| 11:17.47 | aquatix | and the cli |
| 11:17.55 | aquatix | and Thunar now and then |
| 11:17.58 | aquatix | that suffices for me :) |
| 11:18.04 | lcukx41 | and the scent of rms :P |
| 11:18.14 | aquatix | ick |
| 11:19.32 | qwerty12 | ~ping |
| 11:19.33 | infobot | ~pong |
| 11:19.51 | timelE61i | What's cooking? |
| 11:20.48 | lcukx41 | bacon of course |
| 11:20.49 | aquatix | bacon! |
| 11:20.53 | aquatix | *g* |
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| 11:20.59 | qwerty12 | Oh, |
| 11:21.04 | qwerty12 | puts away the ganja |
| 11:25.34 | RST38h | DOpus9 screenshots: http://nudel.dopus.com/opus9/ |
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| 11:29.10 | qwerty12 | Anyone happen to know a lightweight music player that uses mplayer as its backend? Built a kernel with ssvb's bluetooth fifo patch and would like try it out. |
| 11:30.36 | RST38h | youamp? |
| 11:31.50 | qwerty12 | Thanks but it uses gstreamer, not mplayer |
| 11:32.10 | timelE61i | Youamp refused to install on my n800 |
| 11:33.36 | lbt | if I upload to diablo-extras-builder where should I find the log? I looked here https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/ |
| 11:34.00 | qwerty12 | Uploaded to the free queue? |
| 11:34.02 | lbt | I should have paid more attention last time :) |
| 11:34.12 | lbt | as per http://extras-cauldron.garage.maemo.org/HOWTO.html |
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| 11:34.26 | thopiekar1 | jeremiah: ping |
| 11:34.28 | qwerty12 | looks at https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2009-February/thread.html |
| 11:34.31 | lbt | which may be wrong |
| 11:34.34 | lcukx41 | qwerty, the new mafw should be able to use either gstreamer or mplayer as its backend, but obviously that doesnt help you now |
| 11:34.50 | qwerty12 | lcukx41, good info to know for the future :) |
| 11:34.55 | lcukx41 | right now, the simplest music player which uses mplayer is mplayer itself :P |
| 11:34.59 | lbt | yep - looked there last night.... no sign |
| 11:35.01 | ssvb | qwerty12: if you just want to check bluetooth/a2dp cpu load and avoid any other overhead, you can use aplay: 'aplay -D bluetooth yourmusicfile.wav' |
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| 11:35.27 | lcukx41 | hiya ssvb |
| 11:35.40 | ssvb | qwerty12: aplay is included in alsa-utils package and is easy to compile |
| 11:35.51 | qwerty12 | ssvb, got it, thanks |
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| 11:39.39 | lbt | qwerty12: I got this when I ran dput last night... http://pastebin.com/dd1135b8 |
| 11:40.00 | ssvb | qwerty12: the most clean test is even to put test wav file to a ramdisk in order to also avoid flash reading related activity |
| 11:41.41 | qwerty12 | lbt, seems correct... is your /etc/dput.cf configured correctly? |
| 11:42.13 | lbt | yep |
| 11:42.26 | lbt | cut'n'pasted |
| 11:42.40 | qwerty12 | ssvb, I'm not so much interested in benchmarking it, more like a quick observation of "is it quicker" :) (and I'm sure it will be anyway :)) |
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| 11:44.05 | slonopotamus | lcukx41, what's x41? thinkad? |
| 11:44.30 | slonopotamus | s/thinkad/thinkpad/ |
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| 11:44.32 | qwerty12 | lbt, btw, you don't have to sign your uploads anymore |
| 11:44.40 | ssvb | qwerty12: it would be hard to see because you usually have mmc/flash reading overhead, audio codec (mp3 decoding) overhead, sbc encoding overhead, bluetooth driver overhead and probably something else I have missed to mention, they all sum up to quite a noticeable cpu usage |
| 11:45.25 | lbt | ah - think I have it.... |
| 11:45.36 | lbt | the old HOWTO says : dput -f diablo-extras-builder *.changes |
| 11:45.58 | ssvb | qwerty12: optimizing just one of these part will have less visible impacto on overall improvement, but that it not an excuse not to do anything :) |
| 11:46.02 | lbt | and I had other .changes files so I only did the armel one, not the _source one <blush> |
| 11:46.29 | lcukx41 | slonopotamus: yeah touchscreen jobby (well, wacom based) |
| 11:47.11 | qwerty12 | ssvb, :) |
| 11:47.24 | ssvb | qwerty12: sorry for the typos |
| 11:47.53 | qwerty12 | why apologise? /me makes them quite a lot :) |
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| 11:57.06 | RST38h | couldn't figure out why the racing car does not accelerate. Until he figured out that auto-fire was enabled |
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| 12:25.25 | herzi | X-Fade: do you know who's responsible for garage.maemo.org? |
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| 12:35.49 | timelE61i | herzi: what's wrong w/ it? |
| 12:36.10 | timelE61i | (yes, i know, what's right w/ it would be a shorter list) |
| 12:36.11 | herzi | the admin part for the extra tabs stuff doesn't seem to work |
| 12:37.16 | herzi | i get "page not found" |
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| 12:45.13 | timelE61i | Please walk me through by link name |
| 12:45.31 | timelE61i | Note that bugs belong in bugs.maemo.org in websites garage |
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| 13:10.59 | herzi | timelE61i: I visit this page: https://garage.maemo.org/project/admin/?group_id=338 |
| 13:11.15 | herzi | and click on "Extra Tabs" (in the "Tool Admin" box) |
| 13:11.31 | herzi | which takes me to https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/extratabs/index.php?group_id=338 |
| 13:11.40 | herzi | which displays "page not found" |
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| 13:12.24 | herzi | I only have the tracker, frs and stats modules enabled, to I need another module for it? |
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| 13:32.49 | AStorm | hey |
| 13:33.11 | AStorm | could someone try a port of opentyrian to n810? |
| 13:33.43 | qwerty12_N800 | hasn't it already been done (by pupnik afaik)? |
| 13:34.37 | Macer | these ice genies in the shuttle k45s are awesome |
| 13:34.42 | RST38h | it is done but the controls are erratic |
| 13:34.50 | Macer | i think i might build a couple more of these things |
| 13:35.02 | Macer | pictures a fleet of shuttle boxen |
| 13:35.27 | AStorm | RST38h, so, nobody cared to do a normal port to n810? |
| 13:35.29 | Macer | screw that...i need to start working on making a small rackmount |
| 13:35.50 | AStorm | it is sdl, so should work |
| 13:36.02 | AStorm | gimme a link if it's there |
| 13:36.26 | qwerty12_N800 | http://pupnik.de/tyrian.html |
| 13:37.41 | AStorm | thanks! |
| 13:37.58 | AStorm | (less boredom on train) |
| 13:38.50 | pupnik | controls need work |
| 13:39.19 | qwerty12_N800 | Someone may fix it if the source is there :) |
| 13:40.47 | lbt | shopper 0.5 is in extras-devel - I'd appreciate any testing/comments. The gesturing and finger scrolling may need a bit of tuning. |
| 13:43.35 | pupnik | lbt. what does shopper do? |
| 13:43.59 | lbt | It's a shopping list application - a ticklist |
| 13:44.27 | lbt | My other half wanted one :) |
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| 13:45.49 | lcukx41 | heh david, its great finding an excuse to tinker in virtual garage |
| 13:46.23 | lbt | it is indeed... :) |
| 13:46.29 | lcukx41 | lbt, whats the footprint of shopper now |
| 13:46.32 | RST38h | AStorm: Well, you will be the first to fix it :) |
| 13:46.42 | lcukx41 | cos doesnt it require qt ontop |
| 13:46.47 | lbt | yes |
| 13:47.17 | lcukx41 | how large is it now? (i assume once we have it it will be useful for other qt things) |
| 13:47.18 | lbt | it's only 100k |
| 13:47.24 | lcukx41 | for qt? |
| 13:47.25 | timelE61i | herzi: indeed... :( |
| 13:47.28 | lbt | err no |
| 13:47.31 | lcukx41 | lol |
| 13:47.41 | timelE61i | it used to work |
| 13:47.41 | lbt | Qt is many Mb |
| 13:47.56 | lcukx41 | your shopper is a gateway drug to larger memory devices |
| 13:47.57 | herzi | timelE61i: will report a bug then |
| 13:48.13 | lbt | well, it should only use some Qt libraries |
| 13:48.15 | timelE61i | Please |
| 13:48.18 | lbt | Qt is modular |
| 13:48.22 | lbt | IIRC |
| 13:48.30 | herzi | timelE61i: you want to be CC'ed? then mention your email please |
| 13:48.34 | timelE61i | sOrry, i fell asleep |
| 13:48.40 | lbt | but I doubt my dependency list is tuned |
| 13:48.43 | timelE61i | Nah, i'll live w/o the mail |
| 13:48.59 | lcukx41 | lbt well i thought that, and i tried to find a minimal source build (core qt widget + label + textbox for instance) |
| 13:49.17 | lcukx41 | but it had so much stuff that said it was requiring i couldnt cut through it all |
| 13:49.29 | lbt | you want qt-maemo-example-0.1 |
| 13:49.31 | lcukx41 | would be happily using qt foundations |
| 13:49.59 | lcukx41 | no, not just a hello world, i meant clean cruft free source building of the qt system |
| 13:50.04 | lcukx41 | the seed components so to speak |
| 13:50.23 | lbt | that is the debian minimal build |
| 13:50.42 | lbt | so there is a build-dep |
| 13:50.46 | lbt | on qt4-dev |
| 13:50.52 | lbt | yes? |
| 13:51.03 | lcukx41 | ill have another look then when i get a machine with more horsepower to work from |
| 13:51.29 | lbt | it's no more demanding than gtk |
| 13:51.53 | lcukx41 | demanding in building and compilation |
| 13:51.59 | lbt | correct |
| 13:52.12 | lcukx41 | compiling a hello world in c++ takes 10x longer than c |
| 13:52.43 | timelE61i | lBt: fwiw... Many years ago, i built mozilla (firefox happened later) from scratch daily |
| 13:52.45 | lbt | yes.... but Qt == gtk and > C |
| 13:53.01 | timelE61i | This included building gtk or qt depending on the mozilla |
| 13:53.02 | lcukx41 | qt != gtk |
| 13:53.19 | timelE61i | It didn't hurt my build times much to build gtk |
| 13:53.34 | herzi | timelE61i: MB#4141 in case you want to subscribe |
| 13:53.38 | lbt | building gtk libraries or gtk version of moz? |
| 13:53.48 | timelE61i | But for qt, i had to save the qt binaries if i wanted to build moz in reasonable times |
| 13:54.07 | timelE61i | Lbt: i built gtk first, then moz against my gtk |
| 13:54.20 | timelE61i | Or qt first and then moz against my qt |
| 13:54.21 | lbt | oh yes, Qt is bigger than gtk |
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| 13:54.34 | timelE61i | This was 2000/2001 |
| 13:54.37 | lbt | OTOH given the gtk-dev and qt-dev |
| 13:54.52 | lcukx41 | it shouldnt be though :P you can build an os with a core ~ 10 widgets |
| 13:54.55 | lbt | then building an app against either is comparable |
| 13:55.01 | timelE61i | I had a 25mb quota'd homedir |
| 13:55.06 | lcukx41 | lol |
| 13:55.06 | lbt | well, maybe in Gentoo |
| 13:55.18 | timelE61i | So i couldn't really keep gecko or similar |
| 13:55.34 | timelE61i | Instead, i downloaded everything to /tmp |
| 13:55.40 | timelE61i | And built there daily |
| 13:56.01 | timelE61i | From scratch. @4am the boxes rebooted and emptied /tmp |
| 13:56.24 | AStorm | pupnik, can't bind any random letters for them? (n810) |
| 13:56.34 | lbt | although I intended to compare qt-shopper and gtk-shopper - not building libqt* and libgtk* |
| 13:56.36 | lcukx41 | at 3:59 rename /tmp to something else ;) |
| 13:56.37 | AStorm | (wrt opentyrian) |
| 13:57.01 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, update-description for bootmenu? :P |
| 13:57.05 | timelE61i | lcuk: quota. I couldn't put it anywhere |
| 13:57.10 | timelE61i | Cpu was cheap |
| 13:57.38 | lcukx41 | :'( i need more cpu |
| 13:57.47 | timelE61i | Anyway, build times for gecko didn't really change if i changed toolkits |
| 13:57.58 | lbt | that's what I meant :) |
| 13:58.00 | timelE61i | It was only the toolkit build times that differed |
| 13:58.17 | timelE61i | misses uni resources |
| 13:58.59 | pupnik | AStorm: dont remember |
| 14:00.52 | AStorm | if I beat it in 6h... on dpad... |
| 14:01.03 | AStorm | on Normal... |
| 14:01.22 | pupnik | you did? |
| 14:02.23 | AStorm | I did it with a joystick a long time ago |
| 14:02.27 | AStorm | so why not dpad |
| 14:02.30 | AStorm | :> |
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| 14:02.39 | pupnik | nice |
| 14:02.52 | pupnik | should work with dpad |
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| 14:04.04 | AStorm | some levels are deadly, very much like those japanese "pattern shooters" |
| 14:04.52 | AStorm | hints at Holes |
| 14:05.41 | RST38h | Aleste/Zanac? |
| 14:06.33 | AStorm | well, ep.1 only has deadly Holes bonus level |
| 14:07.34 | AStorm | now, ep. 3... the final Gencore one (can't remember) is harder than this |
| 14:08.56 | AStorm | or was that ep. 4 |
| 14:09.19 | pupnik | astorm thats great that you know about this game |
| 14:09.30 | pupnik | speed needs improving too, no... |
| 14:09.32 | RST38h | It means AStorm will be able to fix the controls? |
| 14:09.41 | RST38h | pupnik: hey, speed is quite ok! =) |
| 14:09.51 | RST38h | (any faster and they will kill me!) |
| 14:09.51 | pupnik | ok |
| 14:09.59 | pupnik | zeah |
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| 14:17.15 | AStorm | RST38h, sure, I will |
| 14:17.15 | AStorm | I know SDL well |
| 14:17.35 | AStorm | what's wrong abt. controls btw |
| 14:19.29 | AStorm | sdl not recognizing some keys? |
| 14:20.28 | RST38h | well, the keyboard is very sluggish )especially external one) and n810 keyboard isn't suitable for gaming anyway |
| 14:20.41 | RST38h | and the "mouse" (i.e. touch) is just completely erratic |
| 14:21.05 | AStorm | hmmh |
| 14:21.16 | AStorm | so you say that sdl event loop is using gettimeofday? ;) |
| 14:21.25 | AStorm | that has to be fixed |
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| 14:22.22 | AStorm | hmm, might be that opentyrian is not using sdl event queue, instead polling |
| 14:22.49 | AStorm | that's bound to be slow |
| 14:22.49 | AStorm | fixable though |
| 14:23.20 | AStorm | blah, I get 2 KB/s dl speed here |
| 14:23.41 | AStorm | now, touch is expected to be |
| 14:23.54 | AStorm | because SDL only supports relative input |
| 14:24.19 | AStorm | would need some specific hack |
| 14:24.44 | AStorm | s/sdl/opentyrian/ |
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| 14:26.27 | AStorm | unless the speed improves, the dl will take some hours |
| 14:26.47 | AStorm | *hour |
| 14:27.23 | AStorm | bbl |
| 14:27.58 | timelE61i | rst: can you grep -r first.last ~/ ? |
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| 14:36.08 | lcukx41 | curses papercuts from laptops |
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| 14:43.26 | crashanddie | "Don't fix something that isn't broken" actually means: Working computer hardware is a lot like an erect penis. It stays up as long as you don't fuck with it. |
| 14:43.46 | slonopotamus | hehe |
| 14:43.56 | qwerty12_N800 | haha |
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| 15:00.38 | timelE61i | crash: reading /. On bgp? |
| 15:01.52 | crashanddie | timelE61i, yup |
| 15:02.43 | timelE61i | it was better w/ more lines of context :) |
| 15:14.17 | crashanddie | Been thinking about something |
| 15:14.48 | crashanddie | Would you buy a £80 hard drive, 250Gig, that contained every single Stargate episode? SG1, SGA, and every movie? |
| 15:15.15 | qwerty12_N800 | No. the stargate would put me off. |
| 15:15.34 | crashanddie | yeah but you've got shit tastes anyway, so your opinion doesn't count |
| 15:15.57 | qwerty12_N800 | :p |
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| 15:20.38 | lcuk | crashanddie, they would have to pay me to dispose of the crap on that harddrive |
| 15:22.54 | crashanddie | oh, and there goes my blackberry rebooting without warning :D |
| 15:23.12 | mavhc | sg1's consistantly ok, never great, doesn't normally suck, sga went to sucksville and never returned though |
| 15:23.21 | mavhc | crashanddie: what about stargate infinity |
| 15:23.39 | crashanddie | sgi is shit |
| 15:23.40 | qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie: after using a tablet, that surprises you? :) |
| 15:23.53 | crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, did my statement look surprised? |
| 15:24.05 | crashanddie | mavhc, actually I quite like sga |
| 15:24.06 | lcuk | crashanddie, its no wonder your blackberries shrivveled and fell off - too much stargate |
| 15:32.09 | b-man | freaks out when he sees someone posing as him on the irc logs :O - if you see someone with the username "bman_" that's not me |
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| 15:40.07 | lcuk | yes it was |
| 15:40.27 | lcuk | is it the g4 posting you are most afraid of b-man |
| 15:41.16 | b-man | what? |
| 15:41.38 | lcuk | last night you admitting to watching g4 |
| 15:41.43 | lcuk | or whatever the show was |
| 15:41.49 | b-man | so? |
| 15:42.02 | lcuk | that was you as bman_ |
| 15:42.48 | b-man | that was me, not bman_ |
| 15:43.11 | lcuk | whats bman_ been saying then |
| 15:43.41 | b-man | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2009-02-19.log.html |
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| 15:45.14 | crashanddie | always better to be afraid of b-man rather than just a man, it's more specific |
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| 15:46.42 | b-man | :P |
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| 15:53.00 | b-man | infobot: nuke bman_ |
| 15:53.00 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at bman_ ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
| 15:53.08 | b-man | XD |
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| 16:22.40 | Stskeeps | watches gf play with 770 |
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| 16:25.11 | lcuk | Stskeeps, buy her a toy that vibrates next time |
| 16:25.33 | qwerty12 | a mobile phone? |
| 16:25.59 | lcuk | could do, but she might get some missed calls |
| 16:26.22 | ToyKeeper | I doubt she'd *miss* the calls... |
| 16:27.11 | lcuk | well if she did answer them, it would be a bit echoey |
| 16:27.47 | ToyKeeper | She might miss getting calls if the phone didn't ring often enough... |
| 16:27.48 | lcuk | apologises for crudeness |
| 16:28.20 | ToyKeeper | was summoned by a blue tab |
| 16:29.15 | lcuk | you have vibrators set as a keyword? |
| 16:29.21 | ToyKeeper | toy |
| 16:29.37 | lcuk | lol, almost as good as my bacon highlight |
| 16:29.42 | ToyKeeper | Because some people haven't figured out tab completion yet, and are too lazy to type my full nick. |
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| 18:30.09 | crashanddie_ | Gtalk + video works astonishingly well |
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| 18:38.06 | timelE61i | hey, does anyone here know tim teulings? |
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| 18:42.47 | gnuton | Hei guys |
| 18:43.01 | gnuton | Where is the Maemo Mame package? |
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| 19:05.32 | RST38h | Shit, MicroB is *SLOW* |
| 19:06.20 | RST38h | And it is not even loading data, just laying it out |
| 19:06.32 | luke-jr | yeah, I'm very tempted to move to KDE |
| 19:06.40 | luke-jr | but I'm scared it won't work |
| 19:06.42 | aquatix | heh, talking of slow ;) |
| 19:07.04 | luke-jr | aquatix: MicroB is Gecko, IIRC |
| 19:07.09 | aquatix | yep |
| 19:07.12 | luke-jr | so any other browser will inherently be faster |
| 19:07.19 | luke-jr | because Gecko is a slow piece of crap |
| 19:07.20 | aquatix | heh |
| 19:07.33 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: browserd source in garage is begging you to fix it :) |
| 19:07.36 | luke-jr | actually, Arora might be more in line for N810 |
| 19:07.44 | luke-jr | btw, is there anyone from Nokia here? |
| 19:07.48 | RST38h | qwerty: Browserd has to be abolished not fixed |
| 19:07.53 | luke-jr | I finally found my old Zaurus C760 |
| 19:08.01 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: good point |
| 19:08.07 | luke-jr | and I need to tell them how poorly the N810 design sucks in comparison :/ |
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| 19:08.14 | RST38h | qwerty: As I said before, it shaves a couple of seconds off the initial load time, that is all |
| 19:08.20 | luke-jr | SL-C760's keyboard/design is SO much nicer |
| 19:08.24 | aquatix | i'm curious to how much faster a recent gecko engine will be |
| 19:08.40 | aquatix | as the one in diablo is from right before the optimalisations |
| 19:08.40 | luke-jr | aquatix: WebKit and KHTML are the future |
| 19:08.50 | aquatix | whatever dude :) |
| 19:08.54 | aquatix | likes competition |
| 19:09.01 | luke-jr | sure |
| 19:09.04 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: yeah, I'm not a fan |
| 19:09.09 | luke-jr | Opera should open up Presto |
| 19:09.12 | aquatix | i'm not defending gecko per-se |
| 19:09.13 | luke-jr | then we can have Presto vs WebKit |
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| 19:09.26 | ShadowJK | It's not the fastest CPU wise, but I find the memory use worse than the CPU use |
| 19:09.57 | luke-jr | any chance I can merge my N810 with my SL-C760? |
| 19:10.06 | luke-jr | eg, move the N810 internals into the SL-C760 shell? |
| 19:10.09 | aquatix | luke-jr: just use a big enough hammer |
| 19:10.14 | aquatix | :) |
| 19:10.20 | RST38h | aquatix: There is Fennec for N810. And it is said to suck. |
| 19:10.20 | luke-jr | aquatix: and have it usable, obviously -.- |
| 19:10.23 | aquatix | i think that's not quite possible |
| 19:10.35 | zs | hi, where can i find source code of that program which is responsible for searching bluetooth devices? |
| 19:10.36 | lcuk | anything is possible |
| 19:10.36 | aquatix | or the motherboard should miraculously fit |
| 19:10.40 | RST38h | ShadowJK: This is always true for embedded CPUs |
| 19:10.51 | luke-jr | aquatix: I think it's possible |
| 19:10.52 | aquatix | RST38h: yep |
| 19:11.03 | ShadowJK | RST38h, eh? |
| 19:11.04 | aquatix | luke-jr: would certainly be an interesting project |
| 19:11.09 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Because the memory used runs at 60-160MHz click |
| 19:11.14 | luke-jr | the C760's bottom half is thicker than the entire N810 |
| 19:11.21 | RST38h | ShadowJK: And cache is usually small |
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| 19:11.23 | luke-jr | aquatix: know anyone who might be willing to fund it? XD |
| 19:11.28 | lcuk | is still waiting to see mer on a lighter |
| 19:11.31 | aquatix | luke-jr: nope, sorry :) |
| 19:11.42 | qwerty12_N800 | or a vodka bottle |
| 19:11.47 | aquatix | lcuk: just wait for lighters with a decent cpu |
| 19:11.48 | RST38h | ShadowJK: So, yes, your bottleneck is usually not the CPU (even if it is a lowly ARM9) but memory |
| 19:11.48 | ShadowJK | RST38h, What I mean is that browserd spends more time waiting on swap than it spends actually executing code on the CPU |
| 19:11.55 | RST38h | Ah, that |
| 19:11.57 | lcuk | luke-jr, funding? you have an n8x0, and an SL-C760 |
| 19:11.59 | lcuk | GFI |
| 19:12.00 | RST38h | Probably also true |
| 19:12.01 | torkiano | any repo to install arora? |
| 19:12.02 | ShadowJK | and swap to flash is bloody slow :) |
| 19:12.06 | lcuk | for the glory |
| 19:12.12 | aquatix | lcuk: indeed :) |
| 19:12.14 | RST38h | considers disabling swap |
| 19:12.15 | luke-jr | lcuk: I got the C760 years ago |
| 19:12.24 | luke-jr | lcuk: I could barely afford my <$200 N810 |
| 19:12.31 | lcuk | so you should know how to strip it down and reassemble it with your eyes shut |
| 19:12.35 | luke-jr | I can't afford to take it apart |
| 19:12.39 | ShadowJK | Speaking of, firefox just crashed. yay for sessionsaver |
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| 19:12.58 | RST38h | FF3 started doing it often recently |
| 19:13.09 | lcuk | and self respecting geek disassembles his hardware after the warranty expires. where else would we get spare screws for our new devices from.. |
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| 19:13.13 | lcuk | any^ |
| 19:13.17 | ShadowJK | RST38h, disable swap? eh? you'll just find it constantly rebooting itself when it runs out of ram... |
| 19:13.28 | luke-jr | lcuk: I bought it for productive use |
| 19:13.33 | RST38h | just had to disassemble a BBK DVR |
| 19:13.41 | RST38h | I am absolutely NOT DOING IT AGAIN |
| 19:13.50 | lcuk | and gutting it and rehoming it in a similar purposed model ISN'T productive? |
| 19:13.54 | RST38h | Shadow: Does not happen with me |
| 19:13.56 | crashanddie_ | finding trouble bying a sub $200 device? |
| 19:14.00 | luke-jr | lcuk: no |
| 19:14.07 | crashanddie_ | s/bying/buying/ |
| 19:14.20 | ShadowJK | RST38h, you mean it actually managed to kill browserd eventually? |
| 19:14.22 | luke-jr | oooh |
| 19:14.24 | qwerty12_N800 | fucked up his k750i disassembling it. ofc, i didn't know what i was doing... |
| 19:14.25 | lcuk | crashanddie_, i would find trouble buying a packet of sweets |
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| 19:14.33 | RST38h | Shadow: No, I mean my tablet never rebooted like that |
| 19:14.35 | luke-jr | the SL-C760's LCD slot is exactly the right size for the N810's LCD |
| 19:14.37 | crashanddie_ | surely anyone with enough motivation can afford about anything sub $2k |
| 19:14.41 | RST38h | Shadow: Browserd did crash a few times |
| 19:14.45 | lcuk | luke-jr, there you go then |
| 19:14.54 | timelE61i | shadow: who's enabling swap? |
| 19:14.58 | lcuk | makes life easier and saves you using the circular saw |
| 19:15.03 | timelE61i | It's off out of the box |
| 19:15.07 | luke-jr | well, if anyone wants to mail me their broken N810, I'll try it <.< |
| 19:15.22 | ShadowJK | timelE61i, I can't understand how people can actually use it without swap :-) |
| 19:15.23 | crashanddie_ | you guys are too lazy, no real hardcore linux users |
| 19:15.31 | luke-jr | ⦠|
| 19:15.35 | RST38h | sneers at "linux users" |
| 19:15.43 | lcuk | lol, i can read the fark article now: "broken n810 transposed into SL-C760 - still broken" |
| 19:15.52 | luke-jr | lcuk: LOL |
| 19:15.54 | crashanddie_ | real men swap the RAM sticks, no need for a so-called "swap" partition |
| 19:15.58 | luke-jr | I'm assuming I can fix it while moving it |
| 19:16.05 | lcuk | you have to start with working parts or its futile |
| 19:16.07 | lcuk | no chance |
| 19:16.10 | RST38h | real operating systems swap to perforated tape. |
| 19:16.19 | crashanddie_ | RST38h, aye commander |
| 19:16.23 | timelE61i | shadow: you're supposed to learn to live w/in your means |
| 19:16.25 | lcuk | real computers are held together with duct tape |
| 19:16.38 | timelE61i | hasn't the global recession taught you anything? |
| 19:16.49 | crashanddie_ | senses the kraken post |
| 19:16.51 | luke-jr | lcuk: broken machine != broken parts |
| 19:16.55 | lcuk | :D |
| 19:17.18 | lcuk | i only get that impression when talking to you seb |
| 19:17.19 | ShadowJK | I did /etc/init.d/tablet-browser stop ; /etc/init.d/tablet-browser start this morning after it had grown to use about 200 megs of swap... Without swap I guess it would have randomly killed some app, rebooted, or killed browsed at some very inconvenient time... |
| 19:17.30 | crashanddie_ | lcuk, fuck off |
| 19:17.33 | lcuk | :D |
| 19:17.37 | RST38h | Shadow: Judging from htop, microb isn't using swap at the moment but it is still dead slow |
| 19:17.40 | timelE61i | luke-jr: btw, your attitude is hardly inviting to nokia employees |
| 19:17.51 | crashanddie_ | lcuk, at least I don't go 3/4 through a project and then go "oh fuck, I need that" |
| 19:17.58 | crashanddie_ | :D |
| 19:17.59 | lcuk | ;) |
| 19:18.08 | lcuk | its there, its just like an appendix |
| 19:18.18 | GAN8001 | aquatix, lots faster. |
| 19:18.27 | GAN8001 | aquatix, js will be orders of magnitude faster. |
| 19:18.28 | lcuk | or like a powervr core |
| 19:18.31 | crashanddie_ | timelE61i, he's a skywalker, more arrogant, and more violent |
| 19:18.35 | luke-jr | timelE61i: eh? |
| 19:18.37 | GAN8001 | and memory usage will go way down. |
| 19:18.57 | luke-jr | timelE61i: they're the one making the money off them; better usability will benefit them more than ti will me :p |
| 19:19.08 | ShadowJK | timelE61i, well that's another problem, seems like closing sites doesn't actually free up and memory... They did some major work on this for ff3, but I guess the microb snapshot of gecko must be from before that? |
| 19:19.10 | GAN8001 | Hardware guys don't hang out here. |
| 19:19.17 | luke-jr | ah |
| 19:19.24 | GAN8001 | ShadowJK, alpha 1. |
| 19:19.25 | luke-jr | that's probably a good point |
| 19:19.58 | aquatix | GAN8001: yeah, my idea |
| 19:20.06 | timelE61i | shadow: the snapshot is about 2yrs old |
| 19:20.09 | aquatix | i hope an updated gecko/microb will be here soonish |
| 19:20.14 | GAN8001 | aquatix, sadly the only way we're going to see that upgrade is with Mer. |
| 19:20.17 | aquatix | but i've been hoping that for a year |
| 19:20.18 | ShadowJK | so it just grows and grows 'til the point where it after a day when you've been using the tablet actively can have 300 meg footprint just to display the offline google search page and nothing else :) |
| 19:20.27 | timelE61i | And you're mostly confused anyway |
| 19:21.00 | luke-jr | so is there any way to give a suggestion to the hardware guys? |
| 19:21.17 | qwerty12_N800 | You know what would be nice? if the microb-svn actually did something called working in diablo. |
| 19:21.22 | timelE61i | Luke: given that the software guys can't |
| 19:21.41 | timelE61i | and given that this is a community, not a whipping board |
| 19:21.42 | lcuk | "waiting for youtube.com" |
| 19:21.45 | luke-jr | timelE61i: you mean Nokia's software guys can't talk to Nokia's hardware guys? :/ |
| 19:21.47 | timelE61i | Try nokia-care |
| 19:21.55 | timelE61i | It should be a toll free call |
| 19:22.11 | luke-jr | isn't sure he has working toll-free service :p |
| 19:22.16 | timelE61i | And as a customer, you've paid for the right to complain to *them* |
| 19:22.35 | luke-jr | I don't want to complain so much as ensure the next generation models have it fixed |
| 19:22.41 | GAN8001 | luke-jr, call Nokia Care. |
| 19:22.43 | timelE61i | lUke: skype wil let you call the us # |
| 19:22.43 | RST38h | luke: it won't. |
| 19:22.47 | lcuk | i thought irc was designed specifically to give common people an open access right to complain about anything anywhere |
| 19:22.54 | RST38h | so, relax and enjoy the plunger. |
| 19:22.56 | lcuk | or has the common misconception just spread worldwide |
| 19:23.10 | timelE61i | lcuk:'not if it's supposed to build a community |
| 19:23.12 | luke-jr | GAN8001: does Nokia Care actually pay attention to input? |
| 19:23.14 | GAN8001 | luke-jr, the next generation models are already built. |
| 19:23.19 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: only works if someone with authority is *listening* |
| 19:23.21 | GAN8001 | luke-jr, in aggregate, yes. |
| 19:23.23 | luke-jr | GAN8001: the one after than, then |
| 19:23.30 | timelE61i | I'm fairly close to unsubscribing from maemo-com and leaving this channel |
| 19:23.38 | ShadowJK | lcuk, about browserd's speed, if you've got a *nix box you can run kazehakase over remote X with display on tablet and it's faster :-) |
| 19:23.47 | timelE61i | Either keep your riff-raff tame, or i go |
| 19:24.01 | timelE61i | Shadow: useless claim |
| 19:24.04 | GAN8001 | timelE61i, /ignore. :) |
| 19:24.07 | lcuk | barely notices trolls :S |
| 19:24.15 | timelE61i | Your nix box is almost certainly faster |
| 19:24.39 | GAN8001 | isn't really sure what's to complain about on -community. |
| 19:24.46 | ShadowJK | Yeah but it has brutal network bottleneck to overcome |
| 19:24.49 | timelE61i | I had a petium 233 or something which ran gecko-photon faster in photon on my audrey than the native browser |
| 19:25.03 | timelE61i | Shadow: compression |
| 19:25.25 | ShadowJK | firefox actually ends up slower over remote X than microb locally... |
| 19:25.50 | timelE61i | try fennec? |
| 19:26.03 | timelE61i | (over remote) |
| 19:26.08 | Stskeeps | yawns |
| 19:26.38 | timelE61i | luke: i wouldn't recommend nokia care if i didn't know it was listened to |
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| 19:27.40 | timelE61i | however, hardware is typically frozen years in advance of product ship |
| 19:27.42 | ShadowJK | hm, re fennec, I have this vague memory reading somewhere that the install for tablet did something strange... |
| 19:27.57 | timelE61i | And before the software team actually gets it |
| 19:28.19 | timelE61i | Shadow: i mean over x, not local install :) |
| 19:28.32 | ShadowJK | Yeah |
| 19:28.47 | qwerty12_N800 | ShadowJK: install the ~22MB (deb size) xulrunner? :) |
| 19:28.53 | ShadowJK | I was just trying to remember what it was, if it's going to do something similarily evil, the evil which I do not currently remember, to my desktop |
| 19:29.17 | GAN800 | Fennec should be in Extras soon. |
| 19:29.17 | timelE61i | don't use debs |
| 19:29.33 | timelE61i | Use ~/desktop installs |
| 19:29.49 | timelE61i | Debs are for people who like to break their systems |
| 19:29.52 | RST38h | GAN: BTW, those 22MB+ installs are becoming unrealistic lately |
| 19:30.06 | timelE61i | ? |
| 19:30.07 | RST38h | GAN: With / being almost completely full |
| 19:30.27 | ShadowJK | deb wouldn't install on my desktop anyway... |
| 19:30.33 | GAN800 | RST38h, why are you telling me? |
| 19:30.44 | timelE61i | sighs |
| 19:30.53 | GAN800 | It seems likely that the RX-51 will have a big /. |
| 19:31.07 | timelE61i | waits for 26mb of wesnoth to d/l |
| 19:31.11 | lcuk | rx-51 includes cowboy neal? |
| 19:31.41 | lcuk | hes the biggest at /. |
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| 19:31.51 | GAN800 | slash-fullstop |
| 19:31.54 | ShadowJK | GAN800, heh. I thought "big slashdot? No.. Big / ., no more going through fn key?" before realizing what you meant |
| 19:33.22 | RST38h | GAN: I am telling you because you have said Fennec will be in the extras soon |
| 19:33.38 | RST38h | But I can just as well tell it everybody of course |
| 19:33.44 | hume | anyone got advice on how to copy a rather large file to the N800? it crashes when I use scp, and same using USB... (file is 300 MB) |
| 19:33.49 | GAN800 | neither develops, packages, nor ships Fennec. |
| 19:34.08 | timelE61i | hume: mmc's are removable |
| 19:34.13 | timelE61i | Remove one |
| 19:34.19 | timelE61i | Use a dedicated reader |
| 19:34.24 | timelE61i | ... |
| 19:34.39 | ShadowJK | Are you sure you aren't copying to the tiny root flash? |
| 19:34.45 | hume | timelE61i, ok...just don't hava a reader in the computer for the mmc... |
| 19:34.54 | lcuk | what part crashes |
| 19:34.56 | lcuk | and what error |
| 19:35.01 | RST38h | GAN: This is a general comment, not Fennec related |
| 19:35.04 | timelE61i | They cost around 15pick a currency |
| 19:35.05 | qwerty12_N800 | ShadowJK: presumably, not over usb |
| 19:35.17 | GAN800 | boots from SD. |
| 19:35.21 | hume | well....the file copy stalls, then then N800 either just hangs or reboots by itself |
| 19:35.26 | lcuk | timelE61i, late on a sunday night i dont think any amount of currency will get you one |
| 19:35.38 | RST38h | GAN: Basically, we need some way to move /usr/share to mmc1/2 without advanced hacking |
| 19:35.44 | hume | Shadow__X, no, to a large removable one |
| 19:35.57 | RST38h | Booting from SD *is* hacking |
| 19:36.02 | timelE61i | lcuk: i think i bought my latest sunday morning in Bordeaux, FR |
| 19:36.10 | hume | lcuk, i get no error msgs |
| 19:36.11 | GAN800 | RST38h, yes, because that solution is so wonderfully stable. |
| 19:36.29 | Stskeeps | we need -sane- sd cloning. eos |
| 19:36.32 | lcuk | hume, which end is initiating the copy - push from desktop->800 or the other way round |
| 19:36.38 | lcuk | +1 sts |
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| 19:36.50 | hume | lcuk, push, i run scp from the desktop |
| 19:36.56 | lcuk | timelE61i, granted daytimes are fine |
| 19:37.09 | timelE61i | fwiw... |
| 19:37.17 | timelE61i | Zipsplit or an equiv |
| 19:37.23 | lcuk | is it triggering the watchdog? |
| 19:37.26 | lcuk | try pulling? |
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| 19:37.39 | timelE61i | Or a reasumable transfer protocol+client |
| 19:37.42 | hume | lcuk, watchdog? let me try pulling.... |
| 19:38.50 | timelE61i | hey |
| 19:39.03 | timelE61i | Are there any working bittorrent clients? |
| 19:39.24 | timelE61i | You could use bittorrent ;) |
| 19:40.32 | GAN800 | Transmission is in Extras. |
| 19:40.36 | lcuk | didnt the winamp guys make some sort of localized secure invite only file sharing thing that was simple and usable |
| 19:40.54 | timelE61i | shrugs |
| 19:41.08 | timelE61i | this does sound like the right problem |
| 19:41.14 | GAN800 | Somebody needs to put together a multiboot control panel and a nice cloning wizard. |
| 19:41.35 | timelE61i | Gan: jX has some easy way to deal w/ clobne |
| 19:41.54 | timelE61i | ...Clones, when he tests for me, he uses fresh clones |
| 19:42.51 | GAN800 | penguinbait's wizards might be good if they didn't feel so hackish. |
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| 19:44.16 | ShadowJK | heh.. I thought with the very nice DPI of the N810's display, it would take some years before people managed to start waste the sceenspace with offensively huge UI fluff, but I see the fennec people are getting near :) |
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| 19:46.09 | lcuk | hume, hows it going |
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| 19:48.50 | ShadowJK | hm |
| 19:49.13 | timelE61i | shrugs |
| 19:49.30 | timelE61i | the fennec ui is better than Maemo ui |
| 19:49.46 | timelE61i | Sadly fennec atm on the n800 isn't fast enough |
| 19:50.22 | lcuk | idly toys with html parsing and liqbase cells |
| 19:50.38 | ShadowJK | in the remote X scenario, loading a webpage seems very fast with fennec.. But the UI is... well, painful. It was a struggle to even enter the URL... |
| 19:50.42 | timelE61i | slowly removes qt4 to make space |
| 19:50.58 | lcuk | timelE61i, on the tablet? |
| 19:51.08 | timelE61i | shadow: it isn't an optimized use case |
| 19:51.22 | ShadowJK | certainly :) |
| 19:51.26 | timelE61i | Lcuk: this n800 doesn't have space for games |
| 19:51.43 | lcuk | not surprised, i thought i pushed the boat putting all the dev stuff on mine |
| 19:52.01 | ShadowJK | Though it's amusing that it's the same UI elements that are slow as in firefox, and same UI elements that are slow when firefox is being slow on desktop :) |
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| 19:52.34 | timelE61i | shrugs |
| 19:52.45 | ShadowJK | lol, "Enable Plugins - Make websites annoying" |
| 19:52.47 | ShadowJK | claps |
| 19:52.54 | timelE61i | if you haven't profiled it, you don't know why it's slow |
| 19:53.25 | ShadowJK | That is true |
| 19:54.08 | lcuk | reading profile logs properly can be an art in itself |
| 19:54.13 | timelE61i | there is some stuff which last i checked wasn't cached |
| 19:54.21 | timelE61i | (event handlers iirc) |
| 19:54.41 | timelE61i | If i'm right, i believe there's current work to fix that |
| 19:56.40 | ShadowJK | It's interesting that popping up the rectangle with suggestions when you type the URL was a half-minute task for fennec, with individual elements taking 1-5 seconds. Firefox does this too, but it's less noticeable if you have a fast PC, on my current PC it's a barely perceptible increase in latency most of the time |
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| 19:57.37 | timelE61i | there's work to change how that works |
| 19:57.52 | timelE61i | Iirc atm it's semi or fully sync |
| 19:58.02 | timelE61i | And probably main thread |
| 19:58.19 | ShadowJK | runs firefox with --sync anyway.. saves about 10 crashes a day :-) |
| 19:58.52 | ShadowJK | I have no idea how to make a useful gdb backtrace of X11 errors though |
| 20:00.03 | timelE61i | b gdk_x_error |
| 20:00.24 | timelE61i | W/ symbols for every .so in gecko |
| 20:00.42 | timelE61i | It shouldn't save crashes |
| 20:00.58 | ShadowJK | The left/right dragging performs much better than the suggestions box, like subsecond per update, you can tell it's a movement even |
| 20:01.10 | timelE61i | But if you're running sync, you have no business complaiining about latency |
| 20:01.33 | timelE61i | Shadow: the box is a db access which wasn't designed for fennec |
| 20:01.37 | timelE61i | It's being fixed |
| 20:01.57 | timelE61i | Man, wesnoth is a pid |
| 20:01.59 | timelE61i | Pig |
| 20:02.13 | ShadowJK | --sync masks the latency actually :-) |
| 20:02.30 | ShadowJK | When everything is a bit slow |
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| 20:02.34 | RST38h | WGET needs 1.9MB disk space. Weird. |
| 20:02.47 | timelE61i | depends? |
| 20:03.05 | timelE61i | Wesnoth pulls in qt4, and an 8mb ttf package |
| 20:03.34 | timelE61i | Gan? |
| 20:03.52 | timelE61i | "System storage" or "System Storage"? |
| 20:04.11 | timelE61i | I noticed i'm inconsistent in the ver i have on this n800 |
| 20:04.26 | timelE61i | I think the former |
| 20:04.46 | timelE61i | It appears in ham and the memory cpl and filemanager |
| 20:06.27 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: especially odd considering the wget binary is 199kb... the locale files & docs (which get purged)? |
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| 20:09.34 | torkiano | anyone with problems with gtalk connection in diablo? I have a lot of disconnections |
| 20:11.03 | timelE61i | torkiano: so do i |
| 20:11.13 | timelE61i | considers it normal |
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| 20:16.02 | RST38h | qwerty: Dunno, afraid to install |
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| 20:17.40 | qwerty12_N800 | apt-get clean ; apt-get autoremove not able to bring back a bit of space? :) |
| 20:23.36 | RST38h | no idea, just installed Tear |
| 20:23.44 | RST38h | not much faster than microb though =( |
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| 20:32.27 | timelE61i | rst: good |
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| 20:56.43 | hume | lcuk, sorry for not responding....trying to pull while watchin a movie.:).. |
| 20:56.51 | hume | on tv |
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| 21:22.34 | timelE61i | frowns |
| 21:23.01 | timelE61i | the description for deb dpkg "libcst" sucks |
| 21:23.17 | hume | lcuk, seems to just stall... no output. I am scp-ing from the xterm on tne n800, pulling the file. |
| 21:25.18 | lcuk | feh, wait until tomorrow and get a local reader as timelE61i suggested earlier then ;) |
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| 21:27.02 | hume | ok |
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| 21:28.27 | ShadowJK | RST38h, tear seems much faster to me? |
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| 21:35.32 | ShadowJK | though maximizer button only works for me if I have keyboard out |
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| 22:03.11 | GAN8001 | ATHF and maemo.org splash screens are now available in Extras-devel for anyone who is interested. |
| 22:03.31 | GAN8001 | (thanks, qwerty12_N800!) |
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| 22:08.42 | qwerty12_N800 | does an "apt-get update" :) |
| 22:16.32 | geoaxis | my gps sucks :( |
| 22:18.28 | GAN8001 | Downloads is so slow. :( |
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| 22:33.01 | GAN8001 | qwerty12_N800! |
| 22:33.29 | qwerty12_N800 | yessir? |
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| 22:34.15 | GAN8001 | Nevermind. :P |
| 22:34.28 | qwerty12_N800 | Fine. :P |
| 22:34.33 | GAN8001 | Jeeesus christ, though, could Downloads possibly be slower. . . . |
| 22:35.07 | qwerty12_N800 | the real fun is when you upload images... |
| 22:36.11 | GAN8001 | Didn't we get a server upgrade. . . . |
| 22:36.47 | GAN8001 | Or did X-Fade's porn habit just nullify all of the improvements? ;) |
| 22:38.07 | timelE61i | sOo... |
| 22:38.18 | timelE61i | Ham's oo-disk handling sucks |
| 22:38.28 | timelE61i | It's killed apt a couple of times now |
| 22:39.46 | GAN8001 | Maemo's oo-disk handling sucks period. |
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| 22:47.18 | timelE61i | Hrm, autoremove just made my tablet reboot |
| 22:47.30 | timelE61i | hopes it didn't remove something critical |
| 22:48.36 | GAN8001 | Nice, server error after 10 minutes of uploading screenshots. |
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| 22:49.39 | GAN8001 | begins tossing paper throwing stars at X-Fade. |
| 22:54.57 | neatojones | hates gnome-keyring-manager |
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| 23:10.49 | ChriK | Ok, I have run into a bit of a snag with Mer |
| 23:11.14 | ChriK | After some bruteforcing I managed to get it to boot |
| 23:11.35 | ChriK | The screen with the loading bar finsihed, I was able to enter username, password and devicename |
| 23:11.52 | ChriK | But now the screen is black, responds to taps though by lighting the backlight |
| 23:12.18 | ChriK | Restarting it does the same thing. Any good ideas? |
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| 23:27.30 | GAN8001 | OK, it's been submitting this new application entry for 40 minutes. |
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| 23:45.51 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog |
| 23:45.52 | Proteous | MAEMO.ORG ISN'T SLOW, STOP SAYING THAT, YOU'LL HURT IT'S FEELINGS |
| 23:45.58 | Proteous | damn |
| 23:46.39 | Proteous | I used it's wrongly |
| 23:46.43 | Proteous | beats himself |
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| 23:57.09 | m-c | GeneralAntilles: hello - how are you? |
| 23:57.17 | m-c | around tonight? |
