IRC log for #maemo on 20090218

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00:39.12andrewfblackHey I thought xchat was free the one on my windows pc wants me to pay 20 to keep using it
00:40.26andrewfblackahh well just read the windows version isn't free ohh well back to Mirc on windows for me.
00:40.46andrewfblackGeneralAntilles you around?
00:41.07GAN800Hm?
00:41.58andrewfblackI was just reading where the site maemostuff get told by nokia to shut the site down a few months ago, I'm worried about maemobox getting the same who do I need to talk to, so I don't get sued lol you know?
00:43.20GAN800Quim or Peter probably.
00:43.37andrewfblackemail best way?
00:43.56GAN800Probably
00:44.08andrewfblackwill be alot of work to rename maemobox since it is linked like a thousand times on itT
00:44.18andrewfblackyou know quims email?
00:45.52Macerdamn fbsd
00:45.54Macerwith its pw
00:45.55Macer:)
00:50.36GAN800wtf is 'connection-switcher'
00:51.25andrewfblackI couldn't find his email on his maemo.org profile so I used itt to email him i hope he gets it, I guess I need to be thinking of a new name just incase
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00:55.13wazdandrewfblack: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/sendmsg.php?do=mailmember&u=7630
00:55.14GAN800Somebody needs to get tang.maemo to move his stuff out of user/
00:55.34GAN800andrewfblack, quim.gil at nokia.com ;)
00:59.04GAN800lol . . . qtmapper is maintained by 'AL <xxxxxxx.xxxxxx@maemo.org>'
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01:01.10Gnu[OFF]is away: Gone away for now
01:10.51luke-jrandrewfblack: X-Chat is free on all platforms
01:11.03luke-jrandrewfblack: but free does not mean gratis; pay $20 for the free software
01:13.03GAN800rubs his temples.
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01:18.32luke-jrso finally trying to flash it
01:18.45luke-jrbut the N810 doesn't do USB when it's off ☹
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01:22.27luke-jroh
01:22.30luke-jrusb 5-2: not running at top speed; connect to a high speed hub
01:22.39luke-jrit's on the motherboard -.-
01:24.01Mouseywhy won't my background stay what it was last when i reboot?
01:24.39Macerups doesn't bullshit when they say they're sending something ground huh?
01:25.00Macerthis thing has had a feb 13th date departure scan forever
01:25.13Maceris it getting here on horseback?
01:25.34Macerpictures a UPS man fighting off indians while braving the grand canyon
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02:07.10gnutonis back.
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02:13.58GeneralAntillesis growing less and less impressed with ThoughtFix's "analysis".
02:17.21Gnu[OFF]is away: Gone away for now
02:17.37GeneralAntilleshits Gnu[OFF] with a branding iron.
02:18.51bensonwonders why 'ton' is the opposite of '[OFF]'
02:19.23luke-jrcan I configure Maemo to connect to any random AP?
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02:33.37Macerfuck yeah.. shamrock shakes at mcdonalds
02:33.43fireunhah.
02:33.58fireunoh, so, btw - #maemo sucks
02:34.07luke-jr..
02:34.14fireunI was stuck at school, trying to figure out a problem on my 770, and I could not connect to irc
02:34.26fireuntried several web based irc clients, they're all blocked
02:34.50fireuntried installing pigdin, but it would crash trying to add accounts
02:34.51Macerheh.. and that makes maemo suck because....  ? :)
02:35.10fireunif I'm on a maemo device, I should be able to get to #maemo, right? (:
02:35.32fireunother channels on freenode are not blocked
02:36.17fireunI dont have a beef, I just wanted to vent - was very frustrated today with the tablet
02:36.39fireunit all worked out I guess.  the mmc card had *somehow* gone read only, which I guess happens still?
02:36.59luke-jrMaps doesn't start ☹
02:36.59fireunand I couldnt unmount it because "it was in use" yet lsof said it was not in use.
02:38.14fireunthe usb icon that usually shows only when connected to a pc, is always on now, not sure what thats about. through trying many many combinations of killing apps, changing fstab, rebooting without the mmc in place, I managed to mkdosfs it, reboot and then write to the mmc
02:38.34fireunfor whatever reason I couldnt turn virtual (swap) memory off when the mmc is read only
02:38.38fireun(very frustrating)
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02:39.59fireunbeen bashing at this problem for a couple days - ever since I tried to use the recorder to tape a lecture last wednesday. barely had enough batter left today to record todays lecture. whew.
02:40.15fireunhopefully whatever caused the mmc to go read only, doesnt happen again
02:40.48fireundoes maemo not run fsck on bootup?
02:41.15fireunthat was the only thing I could think of, something borked in the fs from a crash, and needed fsck to do something special - but when I ran it by hand, it was uninformative
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02:47.46GeneralAntillesfireun, pro tip: 770 sucks.
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03:00.51fireunGeneralAntilles: does it just have fatal hardware design flaws, or could it get better with ubuntu/android/ect later down the pipe?
03:01.09fireuncuz when it works, it works
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03:03.58GeneralAntillesfireun, well, it's old, slow and not well supported.
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03:09.37luke-jrhow do I get IPv6? :/
03:11.51fireunGeneralAntilles: well I'm not throwing em out (:
03:12.34fireunluke-jr: eating the wrong food at a geek potluck
03:14.23luke-jr…
03:19.05Mouseylol
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03:36.04luke-jrmaemo is laggy ☹
03:38.35GeneralAntillesIs swap on?
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03:40.53b-mandiscovers an imager/installer for ubuntu jaunty at http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/arm/build-arm-rootfs and thinks about re-designing it for the nit's :)
03:40.59zakkmanyone know where i could find a female to female usb adapter? i looked like everywhere in my city and i cannot find one ( Toronto, Canada )
03:44.52luke-jrGeneralAntilles: no
03:44.58luke-jrN810 requires swap? :/
03:45.09luke-jrwtf is maemo-launcher and why does it want 60% memory
03:47.29GeneralAntillesswap helps a lot
03:47.52GeneralAntillesmaemo-launcher launches stuff to save memory
03:50.59luke-jr…
03:51.20luke-jrwell I closed everything and the browser still refuses to open for lack of memory
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04:01.24Mouseysomething is still OPEN
04:08.27bensonzakkm: dealextreme has them, or you could go for an on
04:08.43bensonotg adapter from electronicsproductonline
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04:10.07bensons/s//
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04:24.43tonyyarussobenson: The extras version of pygtkeditor was broken, but getting it direct from khertan worked.
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07:55.04timelessjucato: i hope you can understand why it's bad? :)
07:55.13Jucatothinking about it, it's a bit inappropriate. "clip" sort of suggests "a portion of a file"
07:55.41Jucatoand that's only if you apply it to a multimedia context
07:55.42timelessit implies *short* segment of something
07:55.50Jucatoyeah
07:55.51timelessthere are other meanings of course
07:56.02timelesslike if i want to run over the person who picked that word w/ a car
07:56.06timelessi can clip him
07:56.10timelessit'd be a much better use
07:56.21timelessanywya...
07:56.22Jucatoor that animated thingy in MS Office apps >:)
07:56.35timelesshey, he's a Paperclip!
07:56.41timelessand he has a proper name (Clippy [tm])
07:56.51Jucatohehe :)
07:56.53timelessactually, i have no idea if ms tm'd him
07:57.06Jucato"clip" also reminds me of him/it/die! :)
07:57.32timelessinteresting, his formal name was "Clippit"
07:57.48JucatoI'm sure they have him tm'ed, copyrighted, and probably even patented :)
07:58.10Jucatothey are/have prior art on creating the first ever and most annoying "helper" thingy :)
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07:58.31Jucatobut as you said, "anywya"...
07:59.23timelessyeah, i decided to leave that typo alone
07:59.46timelesswonders why the applet title has a space at its end
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08:00.43timelessjucato: are you using en-US or en-GB?
08:00.53Jucatoen-US
08:01.12timelessif you don't mind losing the Nokia English (en-FI), you can enable diablo extras-devel
08:01.20timelessand find the package(s) i'm creating
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08:03.04timelessok, i think i've locally fixed clip
08:03.09timelessi can't believe i missed the menu item
08:03.17Stskeepsreaches out after the coffee machine
08:03.19Jucatohm.. not sure I'm ready to mess with locale stuff (specially since I don't know where/how they're set properly)
08:03.30Jucatowhat's.. "coffee"??
08:03.41JucatoI do have extras-devel though
08:03.43timelessjucato: what it'll do is destroy your Nokia English
08:03.52timelessguaranteed
08:03.54Jucatooh...
08:03.55Jucato:/
08:04.03timelessbut in its place you'll have something which resembles American English
08:04.10timelesswhich I would hope you'd find to be a vast improvement
08:04.39Jucatoas long as it's readable English.. will I be able to go back to the Nokia English? :)
08:04.57timelessyou can use Nokia Official (British) English
08:05.04timeless(by selecting en-GB)
08:05.09timelessbut no, atm there's no undo path
08:05.17timelessjeremiah is supposed to help me fix that
08:05.29Jucatohm. ouch. I'll pass for now if you don't mind.
08:05.37timelessno problem
08:05.47timelessit's at 0.1.1 atm, 0.1.2 is almost ready
08:05.52JucatoI'm not really in a mental state to deal with another messed up computer :(
08:05.53timelessi hope to get the undo path working for a 0.1.3
08:06.19Jucatodoesn't even know how long his hard drive will last this week...
08:07.24timeless:(
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08:07.56Jucato(whoa lorn potter...)
08:08.11timeless??
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08:08.29Jucatoheeh sorry. it's like seeing a movie star for the first time :)
08:08.40JucatoI've only seen him through blogs... and smile at his last name :P
08:09.07timelesshttp://www.linuxjournal.com/user/801586 ?
08:09.57timelesshttp://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://media.linkedin.com/mpr/mpr/shrink_80_80/p/2/000/009/3f3/0312e58.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.linkedin.com/in/lornpotter&usg=__6qnoOGvt9xNBpwWdUxujNP9sH9k=&h=80&w=80&sz=3&hl=en&start=3&sig2=IkydzYckeGkH01RN1Iz5Mg&um=1&tbnid=ulYoTyXo3cBrMM:&tbnh=74&tbnw=74&ei=P8KbSbvPDIWe-gbVuu3-CA&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dlorn%2Bpotter%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1C1GGLS_enFI291FI307%26sa%3DN
08:09.59timeless?
08:10.10Jucatomore like http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/author/ljp/
08:10.40Jucatonot being an LJ subscriber, I couldn't confirm the frist link :)
08:10.52Jucatobut looks like it :)
08:11.12Jucatogets back to damn big Oh's
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08:14.41timelessyeah, the first link didn't work for me
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08:15.11timelessgoogle needs to have an icon for 'login required'
08:15.29timelessor [x] search the open web
08:15.46ds3or a flag on "paid sites"
08:15.49Jucatohehe but the Track tab in that page lists 2 articles from him. given that there is probably only one "Lorn Potter" that does anything related to Qt.. I'd say it's probably him :)
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08:28.30timelessponders
08:30.01StsN800hm, 770 charger is just the usual ac-4 series?
08:32.18timelesssounds right
08:32.25timelessit's compatible w/ the n800/n810
08:32.28timelessand the e61i
08:32.37timelessit's nokia charger mach2
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08:35.35Stskeepsgood, don't need to go out and buy a new one then
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09:09.27herziqgil1: ping
09:11.21Gnu[OFF]is away: Gone away for now
09:13.31gnutonis back.
09:14.01suihkulokkiStskeeps: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mer-committers/m-r/libhildon-2.1.24/revision/7 <- you should do it the other way around (libhildon1 as transitional, libhildon-1-0 as real)
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09:24.11gnutonis back.
09:24.50mmcare "rootstraps" packaged as debian packages? or should I donwload them manually?
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09:35.37jjommc: rootstraps are tar.gz packages
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09:39.56wazdhello world)
09:42.13t_s_ohmm, the download manager is somewhat annoying, while bluetooth transfers can be saved, then opened, web downloads has to be saved or opened, it cant do both...
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09:56.58aquatixstupid netsplits
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09:56.59aquatixwazd: aww
09:56.59t_s_oand an impressive one at that
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09:56.59Jucatosplitnode ftw!
09:57.35wazdworld is back!)
09:57.51Jucatofor now...
09:58.09wazdWell, I was here)
09:58.15wazdI'm not "trans-atlantic" I suppose)
09:58.42t_s_oerr, whats with the end line )?
09:59.13Jucatoprobably a new programming language?)
09:59.31slonopotamushm
09:59.44slonopotamus?)
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10:01.32RST38hmoo all
10:02.39wazdRST38h:hola)
10:05.30RST38hmoo, wazd
10:05.56Stskeepssuihkulokki: better debian pkg naming or?
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10:13.47t_s_oJucato: or it could be a lisp variant...
10:14.00Stskeepssmilies. :P
10:14.05Jucatooooh right :)
10:14.08Stskeepshello)
10:14.14t_s_ough
10:14.34t_s_othose : are important for my analog parser...
10:14.45Stskeepsno, just cultural differences
10:14.56wazdStskeeps: check it out, I've made an illustration for the post http://i020.radikal.ru/0902/19/69b4c2d148f7.jpg :)
10:15.16t_s_owhats with the lighter?
10:15.54wazdt_s_o: it will have Mer to :)
10:16.08Jucatothe only odd thing there is the beagleboard.. it's not blue
10:16.14t_s_oheh, careful, your playing with fire ;)
10:16.30Stskeepswazd: hah:)
10:16.30t_s_oi think the early gens where red
10:16.40wazdJucato: is it blue? O_o
10:16.47Stskeepsi would focus more on touch devices
10:16.50wazdall images I've found are red
10:17.03t_s_ono scrap that, i misunderstood
10:17.08Jucatowell the ps3 ain't blue either. but. meh :)
10:17.16t_s_oJucato: blu-ray? ;)
10:17.42Jucatohahah :)
10:17.46wazdWell, red is recognizagle)
10:17.53wazdrecognizable*
10:18.03Jucatowait.. is that a tamagochi thingy? O.o
10:18.13wazdJucato: yep)
10:18.18t_s_oyep, and thanks, i could not recall what it was called...
10:18.20Jucatoawesome!!)
10:18.29Jucatowill buy one and install mer)
10:18.35Stskeepsmockups
10:18.59Jucatoor will there be one for sale that comes with mer preinstalled? :D
10:19.30JaffaX-Fade: ping
10:19.42X-FadeJaffa: pong.
10:20.05JaffaX-Fade: the two most recent articles in /community/council/ aren't showing up on planet
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10:24.53X-FadeJaffa: I'll check it out.
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10:25.52JaffaX-Fade: ta
10:37.57lardmanmorning all
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10:54.32Jaffalo lardman
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11:13.11lardmanhey Jaffa
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11:23.08X-FadeHeh, sure let the guy living in NL pick a venue for the next summit. Thanks ;)
11:24.16lardmanX-Fade: :p
11:24.42lardmanX-Fade: have you been on holiday? or elsewhere?
11:24.56X-Fadelardman: Yeah, was in Austria. Skiing.
11:25.19lardmancool, well this is your penance then ;)
11:25.41timelessx-fade: so... i've pushed a new zip
11:25.45timelessw/ a bunch of changes
11:25.46lardmanfriend of mine just came back from somewhere skiish with a cracked spine
11:25.59timelessone warning, it bumps the version recs from 0.1.1 to 0.1.2
11:26.07X-FadeYeah, always stick tasks on the one who is not paying attention ;)
11:28.23X-Fadetimeless: Well, if you don't mess anything up, I should not be needed :)
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11:37.44qgil1herzi: pong
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11:40.33timelesshey
11:40.40timelessanyone here using my localization?
11:40.45timelessif you tap the battery item
11:40.51timeless(and you aren't charging!)
11:41.02timelessshould there be a : at the end of the first line? :)
11:41.06Stskeepsmm, it is nice being at a university with a forum nokia contact, now i can try n810 and get HW support going :)
11:41.33timelesskicks forum nokia
11:41.56timelessit doesn't know to which side of the pond it belongs!
11:42.06timelessand it can't spell 'Fund', or was it 'fund', it really wasn't sure
11:42.22timelessqgil1: nothing personal, it was nice to be able to give an n810 to someone
11:42.29timeless(who's now helping me localize)
11:42.34timelessbut gah
11:42.45wazdI can install and test it :)
11:43.04timelessi', off to lunch/breakfast
11:43.07timelessi'll be back from there
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11:48.00Stskeepseh, ok, so people complain about Nokia and ogg..
11:48.10Stskeepswhy is the ogg files on the MMC in navicore then? :P
11:48.12wazdtimeless: I think it should be
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11:51.09wazdhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/18/i-mates-810f-and-centurion-handled-with-wild-abandon/ <- Wow! Sexy rugged phone! Nowai
11:52.19wazdI thought "brutal unattractive bricl look" is an ISO standart :)
11:52.21glass14degs of cold?
11:52.32RST38h"14 degrees of cold" sounds meek
11:52.35glassyeah..
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11:52.39glassthats like my last night out
11:52.44glass5800 worked fine
11:52.46wazdRST38h: maybe 14F :)
11:52.50RST38hwazd: This looks like an e61 ripoff
11:53.12glassrebranded htc stuff like usually from imate?
11:53.28glassimates had nice booths at mwc traditionally tho
11:53.41wazdRST38h: Don't think that it will stand 140C :D
11:53.51wazdRST38h: User won't stand it xD
11:54.54RST38h14oF ~= -10oC
11:55.06wazdRST38h: hm
11:55.37wazdRST38h: And 87oF is?)
11:55.43RST38hwho knows
11:55.50Stskeepswazd: did you blog yet btw?
11:56.04wazdStskeeps: nope, working on mockups right now)
11:56.08RST38hjust remembers that the guy used his asshole temperature for 100o
11:56.14Stskeepswazd: alright
11:57.36Stskeepshttp://labs.ideo.com/2009/02/11/hacked-rear-projection-tv-into-multitouch-display <- i so want to run Mer on this.
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12:01.19Stskeeps'lo andrewfblack, kozak
12:01.44kozakhi
12:02.14Stskeepskozak: beagleboard port runs almost directly on pandora developer board too :)
12:02.26herziqgil1: I have issues with logging in on maemo.org to submit an application
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12:02.46kozakcool
12:03.19kozakStskeeps: Would like to know more on the beagle board port....
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12:04.10qgil1herzi: the good news is that I'm not responsible of that  :)  X-Fade perhaps
12:05.56X-Fadeherzi: What is the problem?
12:06.28herziX-Fade: after I entered my login data, I trigger an http-500 error
12:06.50X-Fadeherzi: Hmm that should not happen.
12:08.19X-Fadeherzi: Where do you try to login? https://maemo.org/ ?
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12:09.22herziyes
12:09.28herziclicked on login on the top
12:11.09herziand after entering my data i get this:
12:11.21herziServer Error
12:11.21herziObject does not exist
12:11.21herziError 500
12:11.21herzimaemo.org
12:11.21herzi<PROTECTED>
12:11.22herzi<PROTECTED>
12:11.28X-Fadeherzi: Can you visit http://maemo.org/midcom-logout- and then login?
12:11.43herzithat gives the same error
12:12.39herzi(when trying to visit the logout page, I see the same error)
12:12.39X-Fadeherzi: And now?
12:12.45herzisill
12:12.48herzistill
12:13.16X-FadeThat was almost to fast to test. Are you sure there is no cache playing up?
12:13.27herziyes
12:13.51herziI press ctrl-shift-r in the browser, thus skipping its caches...
12:14.03herziand the site ony works for my after I delete a cookie
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12:14.47herzithe "midcom_services_auth_backend_simple-maemoorg" from "maemo.org"
12:16.34X-Fadeherzi: Ok, I see the same problem in our user manager for your account.
12:16.45herziah
12:16.57X-FadeYou are member of some deleted groups.
12:17.37herziah
12:17.57X-Fadeherzi: Needs some fixing, I'll ping you when we're done..
12:18.18herzicool, how long will it take? 1hour, 1day, 1 week?
12:18.31X-Fadeherzi: Should be fixed today ;)
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12:18.50herziterrific
12:18.58X-FadeNeed to fix it globally as you're probably not the only one.
12:18.59herziI'll get you a beer if we ever meet :-)
12:22.50X-Fadeherzi: Thanks for reporting it.
12:25.41wazdah, thoughtfix wants capacitive touchscreen
12:25.47wazdlame
12:26.15wazdWhy not make just more sensitive resistive
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12:32.35aquatixteehee: http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/17/nokias-internet-tablet-hacked-into-secondary-pc-monitor/
12:32.38RST38hwazd: A lot of people have heard that mighty iPhone has got a capacitive touchscreen but few understand what it entails
12:32.56RST38hwazd: Apple is very good at hiding technology shortcomings ;)
12:33.10Stskeepsaquatix: i am personally waiting for /mysterious-maemo-platform-spreads-across-globe
12:33.13Stskeeps:P
12:35.56X-Fadeherzi: Can you try to log in now?
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12:36.38RST38hTexas Instruments ALO does an Android "phone": http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/18/texas-instruments-and-wind-river-do-up-android-right/
12:38.00Stskeepsisn't that a slightly more expensive pandora? :P
12:38.05aquatixStskeeps: :)
12:38.42RST38hSts: It is bigger!
12:39.05andrewfblackfor that price I would get that thing sony makes and just run full linux on it
12:40.01StskeepsRST38h: yes, but .. it is actually in production and being sold
12:40.09RST38handrew: That would make you a traitor to the OMAP3 cult
12:40.33andrewfblacktrue but I think I might even have a little more money in my pocket
12:41.28andrewfblackneeds to figure out how to do right click on Mer:LXDE
12:41.55aquatixandrewfblack: bt mouse?
12:42.20Stskeepsandrewfblack: libgtkstylus
12:42.36wazdah, I'm kinda sick of that "black glossy brick" design(
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12:45.00herziX-Fade: works with many many many php warnings
12:45.12herziNotice:  Undefined property:  midcom_core_group_midgard::$guid in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/core/group/midgard.php on line 231
12:45.18herzi^^ this one gets repeated all over
12:46.03X-FadeOk, we'll investigate that one ;)
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12:50.28X-Fadeherzi: Can you try it again? :)
12:51.01herziI still see these notices
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12:52.13X-Fadeherzi: Exact same or did something change?
12:52.35herziten times this: Notice:  Undefined property:  midcom_core_group_midgard::$guid in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/core/group/midgard.php on line 231
12:53.03herzior will I have to log-out/re-login?
12:53.11X-Fadeherzi: Try that.
12:53.26X-FadeOr try another https url to be sure that there is no cache..
12:53.57herzioh yeah, seems to be fixed
12:54.08X-FadeGreat ;)
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12:55.04X-Fadeherzi: FWIW: http://trac.midgard-project.org/ticket/839
12:55.56herzigreat
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13:04.14wazdStskeeps: bout the tap on the app's icon in quickswitcher row
13:04.22Stskeepsmm?
13:04.28wazdStskeeps: I think it's pretty native way to minimize app
13:04.30lbtcan the touchpad differentiate between a stylus and a finger?
13:04.34Stskeepswazd: true
13:04.41lbttouchscreen
13:05.04wazdlbt: kind of
13:05.10Stskeepslbt: i think they tried initially
13:05.31lbtit seems fraught
13:05.36lbtbut I wondered :)
13:05.55lbtgestures donchaknow
13:06.06Stskeepsi guess it would technically be possible
13:06.15lbtdepends on the hardware
13:06.36X-Fadelbt: The touchscreen gives out an array of points in a certain time when pressing with your finger.
13:06.44wazdthe only problem right now is "home" button :) Where to place it
13:06.56lbtX-Fade: yes - that's what I wondered
13:07.07lbtso 'spread'
13:07.16X-Fadelbt: when max-x - min-x and max-y - min-y is a certain value, it is not a stylus anymore ;)
13:07.31lbtwhere's that calc?
13:07.41lbtand how might it pass through X11
13:07.51lbtwonders
13:08.01X-FadeI have no idea. I know that gtk has presure info available though..
13:08.11lbtmmm
13:08.22lbtis pressure==spread?
13:08.30lbtor independent?
13:09.01lbttechnically I'd expect the stylus to exert more pressure
13:09.19lbtsince it has a tiny tip
13:09.34lbtthis could I guess be done using strain calcs
13:09.41X-FadeI think it is independent, but not sure. There was some drawing app which used pressure.
13:10.02qwerty12MyPaint?
13:10.06X-Fadelbt: But open the sketch app and press 2 fingers on the screen at the same time.
13:10.06lbtI'll leave some comments in the code for now...
13:10.18X-FadeAnd see a dot exactly in the middle ;)
13:10.31lbtyes - but I wonder if pressure comes from measuring the matrix spread
13:10.47X-FadeCould be.
13:11.16lbtit does
13:11.25lbt2 styluses and it doesn't work
13:11.42timelE61iblinks
13:11.43lbtie the screen gives a nasty lcd blur when you push
13:11.54lbtbut the pressure reading (ie middle point)
13:11.58lbtdoesn't change
13:12.08lbtwon't press too hard next time
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13:12.28lbtinteresting....
13:12.48lbtanyhow, gotta go - back l8r - cheers
13:12.55herzidoes anyone know if there's a rootstrap for os2008he?
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13:13.28X-Fadelbt: https://wiki.maemo.org/Using_touch_screen_pressure_data
13:14.05lbtooh - damn.... now I've seen it I'll have to use it....
13:14.34X-FadeYeah, with code and all ;)
13:14.40lbtwonders if Qt can add a flag to mouseEvent....
13:15.03lbtdid you see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPQ1VlyMPYU
13:15.17lbt(in high quality too!)
13:16.46qwerty12lbt, looks good
13:17.09lbtand to use it it's as simple as      gw->connect(desc, Gesture("r l r "), this, SLOT(desc_clicked()));
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13:17.29lbtwhich I think is rather easy
13:17.43lbtof course the gui is too fiddly but that's a scale thing now...
13:17.51lbtanyhow, now I'm late....
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13:23.27timelE61ihey, could someone tell me where i could get "gettext" for diablo? I have it in mer... (my network is very flaky)
13:24.05qwerty12timelE61i, it's in the diablo sdk repo
13:24.11_berto_timelE61i: I think it's in the doctools devkit
13:24.47_berto_no, it's not
13:24.54_berto_it's in the repo
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13:28.09StskeepstimelE61i: intltool?
13:28.16Stskeepsoh, diablo
13:28.20timelE61isdk = break my device?
13:28.38qwerty12Not if you enable it, apt-get install gettext and disable the repo
13:28.40timelE61iAll i want is msgunfmt btw
13:28.58qwerty12That's all I needed it for when I removed nokia's battery preaching message ;)
13:29.29timelE61iQwerty: my locale fixes that?
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13:29.53qwerty12timelE61i, this was long time before your locales and I moved on to use advanced-power since :)
13:32.42RST38hhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/18/blouse_rumpus/
13:32.43RST38hHehe
13:35.05timelE61iQwerty/gan/x-fade: would you cry if i changed ham's "Disabled" to "Do not use"?
13:35.17timelE61i(in the catalog editor)
13:35.52qwerty12It doesn't bother me personally, it still sounds like it makes sense to me :)
13:37.03pupnik__really want to have hw accel mpeg4 encoding on next tablet ...
13:37.19pupnik__that would clinch a lot of sales mang
13:38.10Jaffa*en*coding?
13:38.20pupnik__yes from hires cam
13:38.43pupnik__you want to bog down system during a video call?
13:39.11pupnik__pshaw
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13:40.22RST38hDigital cameras do hw assisted mpeg4 encoding
13:40.30RST38hSo why not the tablet
13:41.17pupnik__i imagine so many uses for ip video calls
13:41.24pupnik__some guy down at the production line calling his manager
13:41.31pupnik__no look, *this* part is broken!
13:41.52timelE61ijaffa?
13:41.57timelE61iAny opinion?
13:42.20pupnik__i cant offer one timeless
13:42.43timelE61inods
13:45.29timelE61igrumbles
13:45.33timelE61ikicks xterm
13:47.35JaffatimelE61i: "Disabled" vs "Do not use"?
13:47.45timelE61iyes
13:47.58timelE61iOr suggest something else
13:47.59JaffatimelE61i: "Do not use" sounds like it could be confusing if the user didn't enable it
13:48.23timelE61iThis is only for the checkbox
13:48.39timelE61iDo not use: [x]
13:48.53JaffaIndeed, but I can see it being read as "Should *I* not use it, or is this the tablet?" IYSWIM
13:49.05timelE61iAh
13:49.11Jaffastarted liking "Do not use", but now's at "Disabled" being better
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13:49.25timelE61iDisable - no d?
13:49.33JaffaOooh, tricky.
13:50.00JaffaThere must be a style guide for that? (I'm not willing to comment given the slapping I got for suggesting "*The* device" over "Device".
13:50.09timelE61iwonders about ken770 in garage
13:50.23timelE61iwho slapped over that?
13:50.31timelE61iNote that "device" is dead
13:50.38timelE61iOnly tablet lives :)
13:50.42JaffaAndre was quoting the internal ticket
13:50.49timelE61iOh
13:50.50andre_kyupp
13:50.54timelE61iIgnore the internals
13:51.02timelE61iThere's a reason i'm here
13:51.20JaffatimelE61i: on that restart bug, #4031
13:51.32timelE61iAndre: look for colour selector (bugs changed this week) :)
13:51.38andre_k?
13:51.39timelE61i(internal)
13:51.41andre_kah
13:52.46timelE61irotfl
13:52.55timelE61ihave they read their help files?
13:53.11timelE61iHow to do something is the nokia help style
13:53.22timelE61iYou open a widget; ask for help
13:53.36timelE61iIt says "to get where you are, do this: ...!"
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13:54.32JaffatimelE61i: good grief
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14:04.11GeneralAntillesis baffled by people on itT.
14:04.43geoaxishello people, i would like to bring attention to google summer of code to  maemo devs
14:05.29geoaxisi have participated in other projects in previous years, but since i am a new owner of a nokia n810, i would love to work for maemo for this summer of code, if possible
14:05.56JaffaGeneralAntilles: which thread now?
14:06.31GeneralAntillesJaffa, Tegra thread
14:06.41GeneralAntilleshttp://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/
14:06.48GeneralAntilleshttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=265306&postcount=10
14:06.53GeneralAntillesreally needs a new machine.
14:07.33pupnik_faster?
14:07.52GeneralAntillesMy clipboard is too slow to keep up with my shortcuts. :(
14:08.03andrewfblacklol
14:08.08pupnik_let me guess, kde
14:08.26GeneralAntilleslol
14:08.35GeneralAntillespupnik_, OS X.
14:08.42pupnik_hrm
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14:12.02Mekgeoaxis: see http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009/
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14:15.18GeneralAntillesThat's a rather sexy devkit: http://www.engadget.com/photos/texas-instruments-and-wind-river-do-up-android-right/
14:15.44Stskeeps<PROTECTED>
14:16.55glassa huge devboard is right
14:17.48GeneralAntillesActually, the soft keys kinda remind me of a giant distorted Moto Q.
14:20.34Meizirkkiit looks like 800x480 screen
14:21.02GeneralAntillesWVGA
14:30.01RST38hPentagon boffinry chiefs have announced that they would like some self-aware computer systems capable of "meta-reasoning" and "introspection". The plan is to place these machine intelligences in command of heavily armed, well-nigh invulnerable robotic tanks
14:30.21glasshehe
14:30.33RST38hWhat can go wrong? =)
14:30.45glassdunno, what can go wrong with a human in charge
14:31.10RST38hglass: Human is easier to dispose of.
14:31.37glassnot necessarely
14:31.43suihkulokkilike in the killdozer case?
14:31.56glassbombing a tank that has nobody in it is not a big deal
14:32.15glassbombing a tank that has a grunt, even if slightly mad, is a big deal
14:32.34RST38hsuih: Hey, the killdozer guys was SMART
14:32.41RST38hMost humans are not like him
14:32.54glassyeah most humans who want to die don't bother with building a tank
14:33.18RST38hglass: notice that wanting to die wasn't at the top of his todo list
14:33.28RST38hglass: that is a sure sign of a smart person
14:34.24glassyeah if you're going to go might just as well do something with it
14:34.25glassbut
14:34.35glassthats not the way a depressed person does things
14:35.00RST38hglass: maybe he wasn't depressed, OR he was smart enough to deal with his depression constructively
14:35.16glasswell, if it was constructive or not is up to discussion :D
14:35.26glassburned with hate perhaps
14:35.43glassanyways, he didn't want to be a normo
14:35.49RST38hglass: Surely he got even, goal reached, that is constructive
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14:37.22lardmanhmm, "looks like 3G tablet is just rumours at this point" - very strange
14:37.33glasswho said that?
14:37.34RST38hlardman: depends on who is writing this
14:37.38glassyeah
14:37.46lardmanjust sent to maemo-devel list
14:37.54glassyou gotta remember, lots and lots and lots of idiots want to be mobile journalists
14:38.00lardmanthe "3G model?" thread
14:38.02glassand experts
14:38.30glassif you ask nokia as a pr person, thats probably what you'd get as answer, that it's just rumours.. i guess
14:38.36RST38hglass <-- apparently understood that "idiots" and "journalists" are the same thing =)
14:38.37glassi should head home
14:38.39GeneralAntillesHow are there so many people who don't know anything about the next tablet. . . .
14:38.46glassRST38h: pretty much so :D
14:39.03GeneralAntillesglass, the armchair mobile analysts make me crazy.
14:39.55glassGeneralAntilles: well, if they werent idiots, they wouldn't be armchair analysts
14:40.03GeneralAntillesHehe
14:40.16RST38hI hope you are not saying that we can't analyze available data?
14:40.18glassand if the idiot journos knew something, they wouldn't be journalists
14:40.35glass(pay reasons)
14:40.51lbtI don't like    [ ] Disabled.              I think        [ ] Usage challenged           is far more PC
14:41.17GeneralAntillesRST38h, I'm saying that people who don't have a clue should STFU. ;)
14:42.20RST38hGeneral: But not having a clue opens such wide analytic opportunities! =)
14:44.27lardmanGeneralAntilles: +1
14:44.47wazdNow I'm sick of three words: Crysis, Social network and Competitor :)
14:45.01lardmanwhat's wrong with crysis?
14:45.07lbtwell Crysis is a new word
14:45.16lardmanor a game :)
14:45.22RST38hwazd:Why no iPhone in the list?
14:45.27lbtyou can't be sick of it - it's only 5 irc lines old
14:45.36lardmanwazd: s/cyrsis/crisis
14:45.38RST38hlbt: Crisis.
14:45.43lbtah
14:45.53RST38husually spells it as Crazies, so he can't complain
14:45.55lbtwhat crisis?
14:46.07lardmanhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crysis :)
14:46.16wazdoh, mai ingleesh iz bed :(
14:46.32lardmanno :) easy mistake to make
14:47.22wazdbut whatever, I'm sick of crisis :)
14:47.33wazdIt's fricking everywhere)
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14:47.52RST38hwazd: www.lurkmore.ru and never come back =)
14:47.55lbtturn the TV off and it goes away
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14:48.45wazdlbt: I don't watch the tv but it still follows me :(
14:50.02lbtwazd: do what I did
14:50.12lbtlose your job and stay at home....
14:50.15lbttada
14:50.20lbtno more crisis ;)
14:50.25wazdI'm gonna write my very own post without that words :)
14:50.39wazdlbt: already did it :(
14:50.39matmohi all. I have a vague memory of problems with local network connections when not on-line, anyone with better memory? Maybe it is this bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1767
14:50.56GeneralAntillesis just glad he can hide from stupid article discussions on LinuxDevices.
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14:52.45Stskeepswoo, me haz a 770 now
14:52.53qwerty12it came? :)
14:52.54Stskeepsthose things are amazingily light really
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14:53.06X-FadeStskeeps: Ah, so you now have them all? :)
14:53.15aquatixgotta catch'em all!
14:53.25RST38hexcept for N9x0 of course
14:53.27StskeepsX-Fade: hehe, 770, n800 at home and a n810 at work (borrowed from forum nokia contact :P)
14:53.40Stskeepsi will do a photo of mer on all of them at some point :P
14:55.14Stskeepsbut i immediately get hit by the 802.11n network bug, heh
14:55.47matmoI still like the 770's design
14:56.01Stskeepsi was amazed how lighter it is than n800 and n810 :P
14:56.09X-FadeStskeeps: And I don't think that wifi works on 770 for Mer?
14:56.38StskeepsX-Fade: it does, but i need to debug some things
14:56.49Stskeepsand i didn't get wifi working in Maemo yet either :P
14:56.52lardmanStskeeps: is it lighter or just less dense?
14:57.09X-Fadelardman: No it is a bit lighter.
14:57.10Stskeepslardman: i am not sure, but my first impression was that it was lighter
14:57.18lardmanah fair enough
14:57.32aquatixfor the perl programmers among you: http://glyphic.s3.amazonaws.com/ozone/mark/periodic/Periodic%20Table%20of%20the%20Operators%20A4%20300dpi.jpg
14:58.40lbtfabulous isn't it
14:59.08lbtI just can't see C/C++ coders creating that
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14:59.30lbtPHP people maybe........using crayons....
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15:00.09RST38hprints the table
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15:12.43Stskeepslo moontiger
15:12.52moontigerStskeeps, yo!! :)
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15:21.14johnxm00f
15:21.32Stskeepsmoo
15:22.04johnxweather turned coolish again here...I am not amused
15:22.19Stskeepsi'm charging the new 770
15:22.29johnxwow! fast delivery
15:22.47Stskeepsyeah
15:22.53johnxso what do you think about the formfactor?
15:22.58Stskeepsinteresting
15:23.02Stskeepsit is lighter than my n800
15:23.10Stskeepsi think it might be purse-able for the gf
15:23.50johnxshe must carry a small purse :) my wife's definition of purse is something he could throw her old Toshiba 15.4" laptop in O_o
15:24.19Stskeepshehe
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15:24.54aquatixjohnx: those luggable trunks? :)
15:25.00Stskeepswe are adding nokia changes to HAL, can you verify they don't break zaurus when it is built?
15:25.19johnxsure, but zaurus doesn't do much specific stuff with HAL
15:25.51Stskeepsstill, but if it segfaults its not good ;)
15:29.43matmoha, my memory is not so bad. Posted nearly 2yrs ago "Localhost unavailable when wi-fi offline or not connected " (http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2007-May/045787.html). Anyone know if this is just a browser problem and/or what the current situation is?
15:29.50CorsacStskeeps: that will enable mer to have battery stuff working?
15:30.08Stskeepsmatmo: i think timeless discussed it the other day
15:30.15matmohere?
15:30.18StskeepsCorsac: no, but it will help on Fn and some other things, like, sensors
15:30.20Stskeepsmatmo: yeah
15:30.27Corsacok
15:30.35matmook, I will check logs, thanks
15:31.08StskeepsCorsac: battery stuff is in the brewery :P
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15:32.21qwerty12_merDid daperl get around to publishing/giving hints about his current work btw?
15:32.39Jaffamatmo: Browser has some specific hacks
15:32.43Stskeepsi will prod him next time he's here
15:32.53Stskeepsit's intentional i don't develop it myself so
15:34.02matmoJaffa: ok, thanks
15:34.12Jaffamatmo: but its an icd bug
15:34.50matmoJaffa: oh, so any locally based sockets based client/server will have same problem?
15:35.05Stskeepsif the app cares about ICD
15:35.07Jaffamatmo: if the client uses libconic/icd, yes.
15:35.30qwerty12_merJaffa, I'd have thought it was an browser problem because the app is requesting a connection?
15:35.52wazdok, I've done the post
15:35.58wazdwaiting for draft to save
15:36.02Stskeepswoo
15:36.16Jaffaqwerty12_mer: The browser says to libconic, "I want to talk to localhost" - it's an icd problem in that  it doesn't realise that hostname is the tablet itself.
15:36.46wazdcause that stupid wordpress asses cant fix my publishing layout
15:37.05matmoI'm only interested in a client making a connection using "localhost" or "127.0.0.1" if needed. I'm not familiar with libconic. Will using 127.0.0.1 avoid the problem?
15:37.11Jaffaqwerty12_mer: The browser-specific hack does, indeed, not talk to libconic if hostname == localhost, but what if /etc/hposts has some other string which resolves to 127.0.0.1
15:37.30Jaffamatmo: I can't remember. timeless would know - and there's a bug in bugzilla which goes into more detail
15:38.16qwerty12_merJaffa, ah :), I'd have thought that the browser would have avoided libconic if it was localhost :)
15:38.17matmoJaffa: is that the bug I link to above at 14.40 ?
15:38.41wazdhttp://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/02/18/mer-ui-scalability/
15:39.19Jaffamatmo: yup, that is'
15:39.35GeneralAntillesStill no new Council posts on pmo. . . .
15:39.49Jaffaqwerty12_mer: it does, but it's a workaround :)
15:39.57GeneralAntillesis now tired of looking at more of ThoughtFix's iPhone- and netbook-envy silliness.
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15:40.59qwerty12_merJaffa, ah, I evidently don't know what I am talking about so I shall step back :
15:41.17matmoJaffa: then from reading that it is not considered a bug. I need to know if I create a local server that the user is not going to get prompted to go on line.
15:41.31Jaffawazd: nice - although it's a bit confusing in the first few shots that you can see *some* of the Tasks content with it unselected. Perhaps all of them should be like an accordion?
15:41.39johnxGeneralAntilles, you're right: the tegra craziness is quite odd
15:42.18Stskeepswazd: home screen tasks bar, vertical, where does home screen go?
15:42.22Stskeepser, horiz
15:42.23GeneralAntillesI bet a lot of it simply has to do with brand recognition.
15:42.40GeneralAntillesGPUs are popular with the young people, calculators are not. ;)
15:43.06wazdStskeeps: it's under Mer menu, it's not shown without Mer menu
15:43.16RST38hWithout any NIT news frm Nokia, people will follow any device that looks even remotely like a NIT
15:43.17Stskeepswazd: k
15:43.26RST38hSo, I do not see what you find odd
15:43.45johnxGeneralAntilles, in fact I think I said something similar, :) but the lack of love for the snapdragon is strange, in comparison
15:43.48qwerty12_merGeneralAntilles, well... I do find cheating popular with young people..
15:44.15GeneralAntillesQualcomm doesn't give enough details on anything for it to be interesting. ;)
15:45.11johnxthought they had a demo or something...but basically it's an A8 running close to 1GHz
15:45.20johnxpretty easy to guess how it will perform (in CPU bound tasks) compared to an OMAP3
15:45.26GeneralAntillesI'm interested to see what sort of battery life they get out of that.
15:45.38johnxgood compared to the atom probably :)
15:45.43johnxit's a netbook part IIRC
15:45.56johnxwill be interesting to see if they can really find a market
15:45.57GeneralAntillesDidn't they have it in a cellular device?
15:45.58RST38hGeneral: I have got datasheet on iMX.31
15:46.04RST38hgeneral: It is pretty good
15:50.04GeneralAntillesHow is Freescale's Linux support, anyway?
15:50.50johnxthey keep popping up on linuxdevices.com RSS feed, but I've never used anything with a freescale let alone a freescale part running linux
15:51.03GeneralAntillesYeah
15:51.13GeneralAntillesDoes anybody actually use them?
15:51.40johnxpandora was going to. probably some winmo phones are using freescale parts. probably some nas boxes and routers too
15:51.41RST38hGeneral: non existant
15:52.10GeneralAntillesI've been really impressed with TI's Linux support.
15:52.10RST38hGeneral: Depends on the chip though, because Freescale is mainly a reseller
15:53.09johnxthe most notable thing about TI's linux support is how much it's improved in such a short time
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15:53.17johnxalso how much they seem to 'get it'
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15:54.07GeneralAntillesActually, TI's good support is part of why the Tegra insanity bothers me so much. ;)
15:54.25Corsachttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/18/wimax-equipped-samsung-swd-m100d-mid-spotted-at-mwc/ too bad it runs winmo...
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15:55.10johnxGeneralAntilles, luckily the semi-informed masses don't really work into the equation at all
15:55.25GeneralAntillesHehe, true.
15:55.25RST38hGeneral: There is no Tegra insanity
15:55.40RST38hGeneral: There is NVidia trying to monetize on its IP in mobile market
15:55.56johnxRST38h, from forum fanboys there is some strange tegra worship. that's what we're talking about
15:56.01GeneralAntilles^
15:56.04RST38hgeneral: And there is a bunch of Maemo folks forced to discuss various crap while Maemo is in limbo
15:56.24aquatixCorsac: interesting
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15:56.33aquatixCorsac: too bad for wince indeed
15:56.43RST38hjohnx: Fanboys are like that. They are also known to flip between awe and hate toward the same subject really quick
15:57.33johnxRST38h, it's on engadget and gizmodo comments too. it's just funny because there aren't/weren't xscale or omap3 or snapdragon fanboys
15:57.45johnxnvidia just generates that kind of buzz I guess
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15:58.29johnxit's like if there was this sudden fanboy outbreak excited about a brand of shoe laces
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15:59.46RST38hjohnx: the initial presentation form nvidia was kinda stunning indeed
16:00.05GeneralAntillesHa, apparently Burger King wants to be Krystal now.
16:00.07RST38hjohnx: + you have already got a base of nvidia fanboys from gaming world
16:00.27RST38hGeneral: Krysa (rus.) - a rat
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16:00.46GeneralAntilleshttp://www.krystal.com/
16:00.50johnxGeneralAntilles, that sounds kind of like a hooker/pornstar name
16:01.16RST38humgh...shouldn't have looked at this url
16:01.54GeneralAntillesI want some Steak'n'Shake now. . .
16:02.41hannohad hopes for news on an N810 successor device from MWC.
16:02.45hannoany news?
16:02.56GeneralAntilleshanno, no.
16:03.01Stskeepswe'll see alpha SDK first
16:03.02GeneralAntillesGonna be another month or two at least.
16:03.07hannosighs.
16:03.37GeneralAntillesAlpha SDK is coming shortly and it'll have the new UI, anyway.
16:03.52wazdGeneralAntilles: how shortly?)
16:04.07hannoA befriended journalist who visits MWC wrote me that he thinks Nokia will kill the tablet since it's too geeky, anyway.
16:04.23hannosold his N810 months ago in the hopes of an upcoming successor device.
16:04.25Stskeepshanno: they're using an awful lot of money on it if they are killing it :P
16:04.25johnxmuahaha...google 'krystal' and hit the image search (but only if you're not at work)
16:04.26GeneralAntilleshanno, then he's not paying very good attention.
16:04.31wazdhanno: we already discussed journalists here xD
16:04.48wazdjohnx: Krystal Steal?))
16:05.26Jaffawazd: shortly enough
16:05.27GeneralAntilleshanno, the good news to take away from the delayed announcement is that you'll be waiting less time between announcement and shipping. :)
16:05.35roopeAlpha SDK will show some parts of the new UI. Not all, afaik. there's the beta coming soon after.
16:05.45roopewhich afaik has it all.
16:06.33hannois having bad withdrawal symptoms.
16:06.47hannomy netbook just doesn't cut it.
16:06.54Stskeepsif i glue this 770 and n800 together i have a very cool nintendo ds..
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16:07.18johnxStskeeps, you're just short one decent d-pad :)
16:07.22Stskeepsyeah
16:07.54GeneralAntillesIt's unfortunate they went back to the crap stylus with the N810
16:08.12GeneralAntillesThe N800's stylus is one of the better ones.
16:08.52aquatixalmost never uses styli anyway
16:08.58GeneralAntillesYeah, neither do I.
16:08.59GeneralAntillesBut still.
16:09.05johnxone day I'll find a way to get one...
16:09.10Stskeepsponders how difficult it would be to set up nfs boot on 770
16:09.33GeneralAntillesjohnx, I can bring one of my backups to the Summit if you'd like.
16:10.05johnxsure, if you're not using it
16:10.13GeneralAntillesI've got 4 extras
16:10.14geoaxisMek: yeah , thanks
16:10.16GeneralAntillesI don't lose styluses. ;)
16:10.17johnxponders all the devices he'll be lugging
16:11.00matmoJaffa: thanks for pointing me to timeless discussion. Clear as mud now :-) See ya.
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16:11.12Stskeepshmm, usbnet RDNIS was not yet broken in 770 was it?
16:11.18StskeepsNDIS, that is
16:11.31qwerty12No, broken by nokia since 2.6.21
16:12.28wazdme wants new UI...
16:18.21Stskeepsboy, this thing needs mer..
16:18.48X-FadeIt sure does :)
16:19.00jeremiahWas that you who blogged abou the Mer UI Stskeeps? Good post!
16:19.33Stskeepsjeremiah: nop, wazd, i am horrid in that area
16:19.36X-Fadejeremiah: No that was wazd ;)
16:19.49Stskeeps.. does 770 even do WPA2?
16:20.14jeremiahwazd: Good post!
16:20.45jeremiahNow, back to hacking in my rootstrap . . .
16:21.20wazdjeremiah: thanks)
16:21.23X-FadeHeh, jeremiah gets to know the joys of Scratchbox ;)
16:22.07Stskeepsgets out the emergency vodka
16:22.17jeremiahDid someone say vodka?
16:22.30Stskeepsooh. you'll be fun at the next summit :>
16:22.55X-Fadewazd: What does the 'All' icon do?
16:23.09jeremiahIm shuree ull be reeeel funn. *hic*
16:23.53jeremiahYeah, I like that All hand icon. But what does it do?
16:24.15wazdX-Fade: well, I planned it to sow all the stuff from all categories. Mostly for large screens (works as Personal Menu)
16:24.28Relenthm
16:24.47X-Fadewazd: But how would you show 50 icons ? :)
16:24.57wazdMy next post would be bout large screen layout
16:25.05X-FadeAh ;)
16:25.15X-FadeGot to step out for a while. BBL.
16:26.08hannorealizes how much he's out of touch with current status of Maemo.
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16:26.44hannoUhm, is Mer somehow part of an upcoming N900 device? Or is this completely independent?
16:26.56johnxhanno, the latter :)
16:27.10johnxbut Nokia is being helpful
16:27.16hannooooohkay.
16:28.05jeremiahdownloads raw mer image to run in virtualbox
16:29.12Stskeepsraw?
16:29.14Stskeepsgrab vmdk
16:29.15Stskeepsit is more sane
16:29.22Stskeepseven for virtualbox
16:29.42jeremiahOkay, will do
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16:30.32hannoIs there a list of Mer hardware platforms people use out there?
16:31.10Stskeeps770, n800, n810, beagleboard, pocket loox, pandora devel board.. x86 (vmware, my laptop, virtualbox, parrallels)
16:31.49johnxbut anything with a vga screen, 64MB (optimally 128MB+), that can boot ubuntu is a potential mer target :)
16:33.14Stskeepsor debian-armel (eventually=
16:41.31wazdI think with dpi setting even lowres screens can handle mer
16:41.57johnxlots of resources are fixed size though...
16:43.34Stskeepsright, now how do i pop ze battery..
16:44.56Stskeepsah, there
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16:46.36GeneralAntillesStskeeps, as with all tablets, tap it on your palm. :P
16:47.21qwerty12Is it too late to recommend a knife? :)
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16:49.45Stskeepsponders idly if his cellphone will die if he uses it as a rootfs over usb host.
16:50.13johnxyour cellphone has usb host?
16:50.15jeremiahnah
16:50.37GeneralAntillesStskeeps, that'd be NFS over 3G? ;)
16:50.39Stskeepsoh. better yet. use n800 as usb mass storage.
16:50.46qwerty12johnx, use the phone in mass storage mode I guess
16:51.04johnxah, getting a 770 into usb host mode is kind of a PITA though, isn't it?
16:51.31Stskeepswe'll see
16:51.33Stskeeps:P
16:52.17timelesshello cruel world
16:52.26timelessandre__:ping ping ping ping ping
16:52.36timelesscruel world: ping
16:52.54qwerty12timeless, you make it cruel by inflicting your horrible locales upon us. :P
16:52.57timelessif you were to start a device and it gave you two things you could change
16:53.07timeless1. "Language"
16:53.09GeneralAntillesIs that the sound of hail bouncing of andre_k's skull? :P
16:53.09timeless2. "Region"
16:53.24timelesswhich of those two should influence the way a date stamp should be displayed
16:53.25GeneralAntilless/of/off/
16:53.26timelessand how
16:53.36timelessfor simplicity, LAnguage = Italian
16:53.39timelessRegion= USA
16:53.43GeneralAntillesRegion?
16:54.01andre__damn reconnect crap
16:54.03andre__hummmm?
16:54.08johnxhave to agree with GeneralAntilles here
16:54.10timelesswhat should happen for a date (December 25, 2010, GMT, 14 hours past day start)
16:54.25timelessandre__ i need help delivering a fatal death blow
16:54.49timelessandre__ : feel free to leak whichever bits are necessary
16:54.57timelessthen collect sufficient lightning to strike
16:54.59andre__delivering it? let me be the messenger of destruction!
16:55.17timelessgoes to seek some internal help from Emeritus people
16:55.27andre__date format depends on regional settings, not on device language
16:55.34GeneralAntillesFinish him!
16:57.22jeremiahStskeeps: Has anyone every booted Mer in a Virtualbox machine?
16:57.29Stskeepsjeremiah: yeah, i use it
16:57.41johnxsame here
16:57.43qwerty12uses it in VMWare
16:57.53johnxit's disturbingly fast
16:57.54lardmantimeless: I'd be tempted to say let the user change it anyway - for example I use Imperial units for long distances - miles, but metric for short - cm, etc
16:58.00jeremiahStskeeps: It is giving me an error of "no bootable medium found."
16:58.13Stskeepsjeremiah: hmmm. sure you added the hd?
16:58.16Jaffa's not used 0.8 in VirtualBox
16:58.28jeremiahhd?
16:58.41Jaffajeremiah: followed the instructions in the wiki? ;-)
16:58.43Stskeepswell, grabbed the vmdk, added it to the media manager and added it to the virtual machine
16:58.51jeremiahJaffa: I do believe so.
16:59.05jeremiahI have a bunch of nicely working vms in Virtualbox already
16:59.14Stskeepsand it says mer-x86-generic-image-v0.8.vmdk in the virtual machine description (2,00gb) ?
16:59.28Jaffahttp://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.8#Installation_in_VirtualBox FWIW
16:59.28Stskeeps(and not .zip)
16:59.44jeremiahStskeeps: Yes. (I unziped it.) :)
16:59.54Stskeepsjeremiah: just checking :>
17:00.22jeremiahStskeeps: I understand, one has to ask this kind of question. ;)
17:00.37Stskeepsjeremiah: until we get some kind of understanding of your skill, yes ;)
17:00.57jeremiahnp, I got nothin' to hide. :)
17:01.02timelE61iaNdre: so, please deliver lightning strike, and fire+brimstone
17:01.07timelE61iOk?
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17:01.40jeremiahI did download a new version of Virtualbox
17:02.08andre__timelE61i, let me get my old WMDs that i still have under my bed...
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17:04.02udovdhanybody here has a working bitbake setup for n810?
17:04.04timelE61ii'll reimburse you if your strike works :)
17:04.05udovdhOE?
17:04.27Stskeepsthe 770 usb host trick is not just the use of F-F cable is it?
17:04.44GeneralAntillesStskeeps, you need a power injector.
17:05.03StskeepsGeneralAntilles: and powered usb hub doesn't do the trick i guess
17:05.15Stskeeps(like with n800)
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17:06.58johnxIIUC power needs to be going *back into the 770* as well
17:07.01Stskeepslovely
17:07.11johnxscary, huh?
17:07.26Stskeepsyes, after i recall the guy who fried his 770 to do Deblet..
17:07.31johnxyeah
17:07.35johnxwas just about to mention that
17:07.51jeremiahStskeeps: Do you have an ISO format, I think virtualbox does not like the VMDK
17:08.33jeremiahTime to bust out some googling
17:08.41Stskeepsjeremiah: no sorry, we do have raw :P but vmdk should work fine
17:09.02johnxit's working nicely here on ubuntu's (8.10) virtualbox
17:10.18jeremiahHmm. Won't fly in Virtualbox 2.1.4, can't find bootable media.
17:10.29jeremiahGoogle tells me that VMDK should work, as you said.
17:10.29Stskeepsand it is listed as a HD?
17:10.43Jaffa0.7 worked in VirtualBox PUEL from virtualbox.org (on 64-bit Ubuntu 8.10)
17:10.49jeremiahDo you mean listed as a hard drive?
17:10.51Stskeepsyeah
17:11.05johnxcould you maybe put up a screenshot of your 'details' tab from the main virtualbox window?
17:11.28johnxalso, you're not using an alternate virtualbox frontend right?
17:11.40johnxI couldn't make it work in the gtk version for some reason...
17:12.23jeremiahI will post a screenshot.
17:13.15johnxhmm, 2.1.4? Stskeeps what version of vbox are you using?
17:13.34Stskeeps2.1.0, on my x86
17:13.38Stskeeps(windows)
17:14.28jeremiahYeah, virtualbox just released a new version today which I am running. :/
17:14.40jeremiahNot always good to be early adopter.
17:15.03johnxwell, I'll install it and see if things break :)
17:15.06wazdhttp://i.gizmodo.com/5155597/coolest-cellphone-interface-ever-is-also-absolutely-useless
17:15.07JaffaDoes the changelog contain "toggle don't-work switch to true"
17:15.12wazdwoohohow)
17:15.40wazdthats awesome)
17:16.24wazdholy crap, thats very nice!
17:17.00JaffaDoesn't actually look *useful* though (and is a bit laggy on the sideways swipes - could just be youtube)
17:17.49johnxtexture thrashing maybe?
17:18.15qwerty12Think gizmodo got it right, way too OTT for a phone - who's gonna be able to swipe their finger around a lot to get to their contacts when they get of the underground for example?
17:18.23qwerty12s/of/off/
17:18.32wazdwho cares bout usability with this)
17:18.38wazdIt's very pretty)
17:18.45Jaffaqwerty12: indeed, most of these whizzy UIs (and the non-whizzy ones like Maemo) aren't very usable bouncing around on public transport
17:19.16wazdAnd it's fresh looking
17:20.03timelE61iwAzd: just wait until you have a pannable country picker
17:20.12timelE61iSorted alphabetically, starting at a
17:20.19GeneralAntillesAh, OMAP3 is gonna be fun. . . .
17:20.20timelE61iWhere you need to select USA
17:20.35suihkulokkiserves the yankees right :P
17:20.47timelE61iSuih: you @work?
17:21.01suihkulokkion the way home
17:21.30timelE61iNext time you have a remark like that, drop by so i can strangle you in person
17:21.49lardmantimelE61i: well if the ui spec changes and allows lists/menus to scroll round the bottom it won't matter so much ;)
17:21.49timelE61iBtw, reaching F isn't cake either
17:22.11timelE61iLardman: F is still hard to reach :)
17:22.23johnxwell if it rubberbands you can just stretch the list juuust right and slingshot it down to the bottom...
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17:22.27lardmantrue
17:22.49qwerty12If it has a keyboard, I'd hope that you'd be able to press U
17:23.28johnxn800 becomes a lot more usable on a commuter train when it's in portrait mode
17:23.30Stskeepssuihkulokki: adding the transitional and libhildon-1-0 to todo, any good places for seeing what are "good" names for libraries?
17:23.49dnearyhi lardman
17:23.58dnearyYou got a vote in the referenda, didn't you?
17:24.06lardmandneary: yes thanks
17:24.14suihkulokkitimelE61i, that's kinda lazy, for a credible threat of violence you should threaten to drop by :)
17:24.34lardmandneary: why the doubt?
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17:24.47Jaffadneary: good post about the community manager - but as you're reeling off the problems about community involvement on corporate-led projects I'm thinking "yup, that's Maemo".
17:24.48timelE61ii don't want to be credible
17:24.55dnearylardman: The karma issue
17:25.01timelE61iThat'd be bad for my employment
17:25.04suihkulokkiStskeeps: http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html#naminglibpkg
17:25.16dnearyJaffa: So we need to address the problems
17:25.18Stskeepssuihkulokki: ta, we'll comb over the other libraries too
17:25.24timelE61isOrry, i'm really upset
17:25.34lardmandneary: ah yeah, my karma is fine for that, and everything else, just annoying that it's not right
17:25.39lardman:)
17:25.55dnearyNokia's putting lots of resources into community enablement, and a specific community manager probably wouldn't help much
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17:26.09lardmanyeah, I'm not sold on the need for one of those actually
17:26.10dnearylardman: You're over 100K, are you?
17:26.18lardmanyeah, ~350 iirc
17:26.28lardmanbut I should have a couple of hundred more I think
17:26.39timelE61i350k what?
17:26.40lardman100k!
17:26.46lardmanover 100 :)
17:26.46dneary350 Karma
17:27.23Jaffaread it as 100,000 ;-)
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17:28.09timelE61itoo
17:28.22timelE61ior 350*1024
17:28.36suihkulokkiStskeeps: thanks in advance. Now that the "we are waiting for lenny freeze to end" excuse is gone, I need to look more into getting mer packages to debian
17:28.59Stskeeps*nod* if you need a playground for hwcap stuff, we're good too
17:29.07timelE61iSui: theme picker package :)
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17:29.43johnxjust booted mer in the latest virtualbox (2.1.4). seems just fine, but sun's registration pop-up is annoying...
17:29.51suihkulokkitimelE61i: which one?
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17:30.03Stskeepshildon-theme-selector, heh
17:30.34Stskeepsi think one of the next steps for mer is really the control panels..
17:30.43timelE61iyep
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17:30.53timelE61iNon nokia cpls=goood
17:31.12GeneralAntillesI'm not sold on the community manager idea, either.
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17:31.42GeneralAntillesEspecially when considering it from the "what would you do with x dollars a year" perspective.
17:31.52johnxwell, the name of the position certainly doesn't inspire warm fuzzy feelings
17:32.16Stskeepsi think my focus the next less than 14 days is improving 770 port and making the flashable n8x0 images.. and perhaps N-M patches
17:32.24ZicGeneralAntilles: "Based on certain comments from Nokia about smartphones and Linux, I think Maemo with cellular voice is inevitable. I don't think it'll be this generation, however." <- oh, my dream ;)
17:32.35johnxStskeeps, ah, for nm you might want to look at stuff the OE guys have done
17:32.44johnxthe OE and Ohand guys I should say
17:32.54GeneralAntillesI'd rather pay somebody to be a technical reference like Eero fulltime.
17:33.23suihkulokkiwhat's the differences between hildon-theme-layout-4(|-synth|ex)
17:33.54Stskeepssuihkulokki: i think it's extended coverage of icons, and some use of ubuntulooks engine, etc
17:34.09Stskeepssynth is the LCARS guys, -ex is the liberty theme
17:34.32qwerty12suihkulokki, synth has things like hardware detection added and ex also has nokia sans references removed for one
17:36.18suihkulokkiso they are basicly replacements for plankton?
17:36.37Stskeepsnah, layout and plankton is different
17:36.54Stskeepsthey are theme layouts.. it is a bit weird until you take a look at it
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17:37.10GeneralAntillesIf we're going to make any progress, it's going to have to come from management.
17:37.12Stskeepslayout + theme source + tools (slicer) -> theme
17:38.03suihkulokkiright
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17:50.26wazdI think we should decide with UI and then make theme layouts :)
17:50.42lardman|gonebye
17:50.48wazdcya
17:51.45johnxwazd, have you looked a bit into how theme layouts work?
17:54.02wazdResistive touchscreens are less accurate and more frustrating to use with full touchscreen devices,
17:54.17wazdwow, didn't know that engadget is so lame)
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17:58.59GeneralAntilles"Accurate" is a tough word to define sometimes.
17:59.17GeneralAntillesCapacitive is, arguably, more accurate
17:59.22GeneralAntillesIn that it's better at picking up taps
17:59.26GeneralAntillesbut it's also less precise.
18:02.29johnxgoes insane
18:03.23wazdjohnx: emmm, nope)
18:03.38wazdjohnx: how they work?)
18:04.00johnxheh...kind of hard to sum it up on IRC in a couple lines :P
18:04.13jeremiahw00t, grub loaded.
18:04.23johnxjeremiah, woo! what was the problem?
18:04.37jeremiahI think I corrupted my vmdk when I unzipped. :}
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18:05.01jeremiahI re-downloaded, checked the md5sums, and everything worked fine
18:05.05wazdStskeeps: how's Shutter77 work going?) Has he made up something already?
18:05.15Stskeepswazd: not sure, haven't heard from him
18:05.23Stskeeps(he got the job to do some icons=
18:05.27wazdStskeeps: lazy bastard :)
18:05.29johnxwazd, basically, I think some of your ideas can be implemented easily, with a couple tweaks, some will need patches to h-d which we're doing anyways, and some (the menu stuff) will probably be quite hard (so maybe longterm?)
18:07.02wazdStskeeps: I've tried to promote some young designers so they would have real work, not some jerking around with photoshop, but they all are too lazy :( Or young maybe(
18:07.50skiburis there a Debian Internet tablet website other than ITT?
18:08.19wazdjohnx: well, it's totally up to programmers how they will do that stuff :) If it's too hard I can think of something simplier if you like
18:09.33johnxwazd, I'm going to dig into applying ubuntu's patches to h-d as soon as I get a decent xserver for the zaurus working. then I'll look at doing what I can with theme layouts
18:09.50johnxthen I'll have a better idea about what to tell you can or can't be done
18:10.33wazdbtw we can just approve UI design and make theme layout for it without actually making it work
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18:10.47wazdJust make theme elements we need for future
18:11.05johnxah, but how the code works will determine some the UI elements I think
18:11.55johnxs/some/the look of some of/
18:13.58wazdwell, I'll continue to make mockups and wait for your signal to make template layout :)
18:14.05jeremiahWah? You guys have perl 5.10 on Mer and Maemo has 5.8.4?
18:14.09jeremiahsheesh
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18:14.29johnxwe're tracking ubuntu jaunty :)
18:14.39wazdMaybe I'll do a theme for canola :)
18:14.48jeremiahWhich means you are pretty up-to-date
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18:14.52qwerty12Maemo has perl-base by default, most perl things don't really work by default until you install perl-modules from SDK repo and that takes 20MB...
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18:15.17jeremiahqwerty12: Hmm, interesting.
18:15.31jeremiahSo you need a lot of disk for the perl modules eh?
18:15.44jeremiahBut 20MB doesn't seem that much.
18:16.00qwerty12Actually, I should rephrase "most perl things don't really work by default", it's more like "most perl things that use external modules don't really work by default" :)
18:16.08johnxthe tablet starts life with 128MB free
18:16.59qwerty12You certainly can't use dpkg-dev on Maemo with just perl-base though :)
18:17.35jeremiahWell, all I can say is that I am impressed with Mer.
18:18.10jeremiahAnd will do what I can to help out.
18:19.28johnx:)
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18:53.26GeneralAntillesis tired of the silliness.
18:53.36GeneralAntillesI should probably do something productive like install Mer. . . .
18:53.37johnxwhich silliness?
18:53.57GeneralAntillesjohnx, itT, tabletblog, -developers. . . .
18:54.03johnxah
18:54.12johnxI get my silliness quotient from itt alone :)
18:54.22Corsacmpf, is it too much asking to be able to sync contacts and calendar with n810? :)
18:54.23johnxand when that doesn't do the trick I hit up comments on engadget
18:54.34johnxCorsac, probably :)
18:55.16johnxCorsac, what applications on the tablet and what applications on the desktop?
18:55.43Corsacwhatever on the tablet, evolution on the desktop
18:56.39johnxyou could try sending a .vcf aka vcard to the tablet's contacts app
18:56.50johnxyou might want to try some non-Nokia PIM stuff though
18:56.54Stskeepsheh, "Edit layout" on OS2007HE is kinda neat
18:57.00Corsacyeah but that's not really sync :)
18:57.22CorsacI'd like to be able to add stuff on whatever calendar/contacts on whatever device and have it correctly sync'ed
18:57.32johnxStskeeps, yeah. I was sad to see that go...
18:57.33CorsacI know this is not an easy problem, but…
18:57.41Corsacjohnx: yeah I'm looking at GPE stuff
18:57.50johnxah. good
18:57.52timelesssts: how is edit layout in 2007he different from normal edit layout?
18:57.57johnxthat's probably the right path to follow
18:57.59Corsacjohnx: it doesn't really seem to work
18:58.01Corsac:)
18:58.08Stskeepstimeless: there is no edit layout in os2008he. movable applets and not lockable applets
18:58.15Stskeepser, diablo, i mean
18:58.17johnxwell, it's more likely to work than Nokia's "PIM" stuff
18:58.24timelessoh, yeah, they deleted that feature later
18:58.34timelesssorry, i'm used to os2007
18:58.41timelessi still had a device running it a few weeks ago
18:59.09timelessok, imagine you decide to install "Nitro' ("Crash Reporter")
18:59.09GeneralAntillesjohnx, I think what bothers me most is people decrying Nokia in areas where they've made great strides.
18:59.18timelessit wants to show a dialog
18:59.27timelessgan: this means you :)
18:59.37timelessthe dialog will currently have a title: "Crash Reporter Privacy Note"
18:59.52johnxGeneralAntilles, I do think it's good for companies to get held up to the hot irons on issues like long term support though
19:00.08johnxit makes them worry about it more in the future :)
19:00.21timelessoh my FSCK
19:00.24timelesskicks eero
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19:00.43GeneralAntillesat the same time, I think it's a good idea to give credit where credit is due
19:00.58GeneralAntillesand it lends you're arguments much more weight when you're honest about what the situation really is.
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19:01.50johnxI'll agree to the latter
19:02.09GeneralAntillesYou don't think credit is deserved where it's earned?
19:02.32johnxand *we* give a lot of credit in many visible places
19:03.08johnxso someone has to balance us out by making angry noises about longterm support :)
19:03.17timelesssts/someone:
19:03.23timelesswhere do localized files belong?
19:03.39johnxI don't see any point in trying to argue with people who aren't likely to change their mind
19:03.46timeless/usr/share/locale/{locale}/{whaT?!}/{package}/{filename}
19:03.51GeneralAntillesjohnx, you can make angry noises about longterm support without spouting falsehoods.
19:03.53timelessplease explain the 'what' part :)
19:03.57GeneralAntillesWell, there is that.
19:04.21qwerty12_N800timeless: LC_MESSAGES
19:04.30johnxonly has ~24 hours in a day
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19:04.34timelessqwerty: even if it's a file and not a mo file?
19:05.01qwerty12_N800ah, not sure sorry, lemme see if I can find out
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19:05.10timelessthe file is currently /usr/share/crash-reporter-settings/privacy.txt
19:05.15timelesswhich is bad for a dozen reasons
19:05.20timelessbut it'd help if my bug was complete
19:11.39timelessjeremiah: ping
19:20.38ShadowJKoh awesome
19:20.47ShadowJKfinds a store selling spare styluses
19:21.49Stskeepsheh, i just noticed my asus fw on my wifi has kept the VLAN settings from my openwrt, curious
19:21.57Stskeepsso one of the ports is on WAN too
19:23.14GeneralAntillesStskeeps, did we ever get a flashable jffs2 image?
19:23.26StskeepsGeneralAntilles: working on it.. got some apt problems
19:23.43Stskeepsthe mmap patch no longer applies and the workaround causes OOM and kills tablet
19:24.20qwerty12_N800Not even with fuzz?
19:24.43Stskeepsnot even with fuzz
19:25.07qwerty12_N800heh :/
19:26.44derfWhich mmap patch is this?
19:27.25qwerty12_N800It's in the source for maemo's version of apt
19:28.02Stskeepsderf: basically apt needs shared-write mmap for the cache and jffs2 doesn't support this
19:29.11qwerty12_N800"Make it [apt] work in filesystems that don't support writable mmaps." - https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/tags/apt/0.7.6maemo2/mmap.patch
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19:34.25GeneralAntillesis installing Mer.
19:34.37timelessis there a mer 0.8?
19:34.53GeneralAntilleshttps://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.8
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19:41.35Stskeepsnotes 770 flashing is slower than n800
19:42.01qwerty12_N800s/flashing//
19:42.10GeneralAntilles^
19:42.58GeneralAntillesboots Mer
19:43.03GeneralAntillesUgly progressbar. :P
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19:43.50slonopotamusq
19:43.51luke-jreww
19:43.55slonopotamusoops.
19:43.56luke-jrN810 won't run on AC only
19:44.01slonopotamusi meant hi.
19:44.25GeneralAntillesStskeeps, OK, waiting at a blue splashscreen. . . .
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19:44.52slonopotamushow i can determine whether -mtune=arm1136jf-s implies -mfpu=vfp?
19:45.54StskeepsGeneralAntilles: yeah, it is a bit slow at start. n8x0 or vm?
19:45.54GeneralAntillesPPC-only here. . . .
19:45.54Stskeepstrue
19:45.54GeneralAntillesIt's still booting, then?
19:45.54GeneralAntillesAh, there it is.
19:45.55GeneralAntillesType your name
19:45.55Stskeepsit will generate rsa and dsa and some other housekeeping stuff at first
19:45.55GeneralAntillesNo gesture support for the keyboard?
19:45.55Stskeepspft :P
19:46.21GeneralAntillesIs that not part of h-i-m or something?
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19:46.32slonopotamusoh
19:46.33Stskeepsdefine gesture support? :P
19:46.38geoaxisdoes any one know what broswer android runs and if its possible to port that browser to maemo
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19:46.51qwerty12_N800Nokia's closed source h-i-m plugin
19:46.55slonopotamustell me what's maemo-launcher and why it is needed?
19:46.59GeneralAntillesStskeeps, slide up for uppercase, slide back and forth to delete text.
19:47.05StskeepsGeneralAntilles: ah
19:47.07StskeepsGeneralAntilles: guess not
19:47.08GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N800, can we get them to open it, then?
19:47.15Corsacgeoaxis: I'd say chrome?
19:47.26Stskeepsgeoaxis: maybe something alike webkit engine
19:47.28geoaxisCorsac, its QT?
19:47.42GeneralAntillesCorsac, Chrome is x86-only at this point.
19:47.53qwerty12_N800GeneralAntilles: they really should.. dunno why it's even closed...
19:47.54Stskeepsoh, f*k
19:48.00GeneralAntillesI'd say decent text input is critical to the success of any packport.
19:48.06Stskeepsof course my flashed 770 image doesn't have a root password..
19:48.21GeneralAntillesgeoaxis, https://garage.maemo.org/projects/webkit-eal/
19:48.23geoaxisbtw the GPS in n810 is a total disaapointment
19:48.30GeneralAntillesgeoaxis, did you install AGPS?
19:48.39geoaxisGeneralAntilles:  yes i did
19:48.50GeneralAntillesVirtual input is going to have to be seamless for me to use Mer.
19:49.12GeneralAntillesIf I have to tap things out on a crappy little half-working VKB, it's not gonna fly. ;)
19:49.21Stskeepsstill a bit to go, yeah
19:49.27Stskeepsbut we're working with what we have
19:49.36Stskeepsthings might be different with a frankenstein version, so
19:49.53GeneralAntillesStskeeps, right, these are justifications to get more. ;)
19:49.55luke-jrGeneralAntilles: why do you think Chrome is x86 only?
19:50.08luke-jrGeneralAntilles: AGPS seems to do nothing on my N810
19:50.33luke-jrI have yet to see GPS give me any input ☹
19:50.33GeneralAntillesluke-jr, because, for the time being, that's all it's been compiled for.
19:50.44luke-jrGeneralAntilles: well, their JIT V8 engine supports ARM
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19:51.19Stskeepsah. backdoor on usb. lovely :)
19:51.31Stskeepsthe things you forget..
19:51.32GeneralAntillesluke-jr, one piece of a browser != the whole browser.
19:51.52GeneralAntillesBleh, notification area connection notifications gotta go.
19:52.00johnxGeneralAntilles, patches welcome
19:52.08Corsachmhm, syncevolution requires a syncml server
19:52.11GeneralAntillesjohnx, not my job. :P
19:52.31johnxGeneralAntilles, then settle in for a long wait :>
19:53.02Corsacnothing with that sucks
19:53.10Corsac+bluetooth
19:53.24GeneralAntilleswaits patiently for the catalogs to update.
19:53.44Stskeepsyeah, HAM wasn't exactly optimized to be dealing with ubuntu universe..
19:53.50GeneralAntillesI guess PSM is still a no-go?
19:53.57Stskeepsno, it is fixed in 0.8
19:54.07GeneralAntillesWeird, WiFi's getting hot.
19:54.21Stskeepswell that can also be from the ubuntu fetching
19:54.23johnxheh, apt-get itself doesn't deal with ubuntu's repos too quickly either on the n800/zaurus :)
19:54.33Stskeepswell, at least its supposed to be fixed :P
19:54.50GeneralAntillesDo we have some decent looking network applet icons?
19:54.58Corsachttp://www.johnstowers.co.nz/blog/index.php/2008/02/22/coming-soon-to-an-internet-tablet-near-you/ ><
19:55.05Stskeepseventually we will have, when someone makes them.. fairly easy to replace
19:55.27GeneralAntillesIs anybody working on that?
19:55.49Stskeepsthink shutter started but didn't hear from him since
19:55.56Stskeepsi think he faded when he saw hildon-icons
19:56.43StskeepsCorsac: looks like something to be tried on mer
19:56.55Corsachttp://blogs.gnome.org/johncarr/tag/maemo/ !
19:57.41GeneralAntillesWhat distribution does Mer report for a blank distribution field?
19:58.04StskeepsGeneralAntilles: not entirely sure
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19:58.49GeneralAntillesEr, no accents?
19:58.52GeneralAntillesHow do I get a hyphen?
19:59.04Stskeepsit's the example virtual keyboard, not very functional
19:59.07johnxthink os2007 keyboard :)
19:59.14johnxbottom left of the number pad
19:59.19johnxnot shifted
19:59.50GeneralAntillesBleh, looks like a period.
19:59.58johnxput on your glasses :)
20:00.10GeneralAntillesThey are
20:00.36Corsac<PROTECTED>
20:00.36Corsac<PROTECTED>
20:00.38Corsaccries
20:00.59GeneralAntillesDo I really want the Ubuntu repos?
20:01.11GeneralAntillesWaiting for updates after playing with the repos may just end in me killing myself.
20:01.28GeneralAntillesApparently they're required. . . .
20:01.29johnxwell...you might not want them, but you need them
20:01.31GeneralAntilles*it's
20:03.32GeneralAntillesBizarre, FBReader's not in the list for some reason.
20:03.49Stskeepsits in extras (not -devel)?
20:03.56johnxit might get masked by the version in ubuntu's repo...
20:03.59GeneralAntillesI have both enabled.
20:04.03GeneralAntillesAh
20:04.20johnxextras are pinned at 500 (default) I assume
20:05.02GeneralAntillesselect-menu-location doesn't seem to work
20:05.05CorsacStskeeps: problem with Mer is that it's not really day2day usable :/
20:05.20StskeepsCorsac: yeah, but on the other hand, it is a lot more usable than when we started :|
20:05.27Stskeeps:> i mean
20:05.29GeneralAntillesCorsac, that's why it's not 1.0. ;)
20:05.58johnxruns a native build of xfbdev
20:06.06luke-jrGeneralAntilles: afaik, V8 was the only architecture-dependent piece
20:06.24johnxwell, the other problem is there isn't a linux port of chrome
20:06.32luke-jrCorsac: Maemo isn't day2day usable IMO
20:06.43luke-jrjohnx: yes, that would be a problem :p
20:06.44johnxs/linux/finished linux/
20:06.56luke-jrjohnx: on top of Chrome having nothing innovative
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20:07.20johnxthe process management is neat
20:07.30luke-jris it?
20:07.35RST38hremoo
20:07.37luke-jrlast I checked, it was nothing different from IE8
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20:07.56johnxhey RST38h
20:08.37RST38hheya johnx
20:08.46CorsacStskeeps: yeah, no offense intended, it's just that sometime you need the stuff to just work, I have my laptop for breaking stuff on, and I bought the nokia expecting it to just work :)
20:09.02Corsacluke-jr: from Safari you mean?
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20:09.15luke-jrCorsac: no, we're talking process-per-tab, not Webkit
20:09.18Corsacoh.
20:09.19Corsacok
20:09.42luke-jrso is KMail 4 usable on Maemo?
20:10.02luke-jreg, if I only need the app, not the DE?
20:10.41thopiekarI will need DE's librarys to install Mail^^
20:10.53luke-jr?
20:11.31thopiekarhehe.. KMail depens on some files ( packages) of KDE..
20:11.32thopiekar:)
20:11.40luke-jrof course
20:11.44luke-jrkdelibs and kdepimlibs
20:12.35thopiekartrue :)
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20:15.16GeneralAntillesYeah, it's pulling from the Ubuntu repo.
20:15.47johnxis going to try ubuntu fbreader on mer/zaurus since his n800 is busy compiling :/
20:16.08GeneralAntillesadv-power doesn't want to install.
20:16.24johnxwhat dependencies aren't met?
20:16.35qwerty12_N800Needs the closed hald-addon-bme anyway
20:16.37StsN800requires hald-addon-bme
20:17.07thopiekaris going to publish his packages of streamripper and post a thread about that on iTT tomorrow..
20:17.23timelessandre__
20:17.35timelessthe bug master has two bugs.maemo.org accounts
20:17.38timelessand it's hurting
20:17.59andre__hmm?
20:18.40thopiekarStsN800: could you please take a look at #mer?
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20:19.41StsN800thopiekar, cooking atm
20:19.55thopiekarStsN800: oki :)
20:19.58GeneralAntillesjohnx, FBReader mostly works.
20:20.06GeneralAntillesNo key bindings and no fullscreen, though.
20:20.24johnxyeah, but I do all my keybindings different anyways :)
20:20.24thopiekarcould anyone else take a look at #mer who is familar with python?
20:20.34GeneralAntillesAre the cards automounted?
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20:20.50johnxGeneralAntilles, well, / is :) others aren't
20:21.32qwerty12_N800ke-recv may be a possibility now that we've got hald-addon-gpio & -mmc..
20:21.33GeneralAntillesI guess powerlaunch isn't bundled?
20:22.08GeneralAntillesSo, how do I turn this thing off? :P
20:22.10qwerty12_N800No, by the time I'd got it running, .8 was released
20:22.21CorsacE: Currently Scratcbox can only run in 32 bit i386 architecture.
20:22.26Corsacwtf? ><
20:22.33RST38htf.
20:22.34qwerty12_N800sudo shutdown -h now
20:22.35Corsacare we still in 2005?
20:22.43RST38hwe ain't
20:22.45StsN800doesn't want ke-recv personally
20:22.46Corsacqwerty12_N800: Password:
20:22.47RST38hnokia is
20:22.53johnxparties like it's 2005
20:23.00qwerty12_N800but you can apt-get install powerlaunch
20:23.28qwerty12_N800StsN800:heh, thinking of something better? :)
20:23.33GeneralAntillesWell, fun times.
20:23.36GeneralAntillesgoes back to Diablo.
20:23.37qwerty12_N800Corsac: ?
20:23.55StsN800qwerty12_N800, maybe powerlaunch scripts
20:24.21qwerty12_N800a possibility I guess
20:24.43johnxpowerlaunch is nicely abstracted from the hardware, right?
20:24.51GeneralAntillesOr not. . . .
20:25.05GeneralAntillesIs there anything in particular I need to do differently for a Diablo .item?
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20:25.42qwerty12_N800johnx: well..., it's pretty much maemo & nokia dependent imho
20:26.11qwerty12_N800at least configs are
20:27.06StsN800GeneralAntilles, similar to mer one but with ITEM_LINUXRC removed and rw instead of ro
20:27.59GeneralAntillesAh, OK.
20:30.22GeneralAntillesGoddamnit . . . still no go.
20:31.02StsN800refreshed bootmenu?
20:31.13StsN800or cped in the item
20:31.46GeneralAntillesfsck segfaults on the partition. <_<
20:32.01StsN800neat
20:32.21GeneralAntillesChrist
20:32.25GeneralAntillesdoesn't want to reinstall.
20:32.31StsN800prolly from years on end never getting fscked
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20:36.59StskeepsGeneralAntilles: what fs?
20:37.25GeneralAntillesEXT3. It's booting.
20:38.09GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N800, when are you gonna put together a boot screen package?
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20:39.29qwerty12_N800heh, with what graphics? :)
20:39.51GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N800, any.
20:39.57GeneralAntillesThe maemo.org set might be a good one to start with
20:40.16GeneralAntillesMostly I'm looking for a template package with can use to create others, though.
20:40.24qwerty12_N800For Maemo or Mer?
20:40.33GeneralAntillesMaemo, I guess.
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20:41.28qwerty12_N800I've been itching for an excuse to learn dpkg-divert I guess...
20:42.02luke-jrO.o
20:42.12slonopotamusoh
20:42.20slonopotamusthat's some scary thing
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21:03.24luke-jris it possible to use teh GPS with Google Maps? :/
21:03.51qwerty12_N800maemo mapper
21:04.01luke-jrhow? :/
21:05.11mavhcreally could do with google making mobile apps for maemo
21:06.20GeneralAntillesluke-jr, read the docs?
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21:06.24Proteousluke-jr: install maemo mapper, tell it to download it's apps from google
21:06.32Proteouser, s/apps/maps/
21:06.45zs1luke-jr: use google street map repository
21:06.48luke-jrI installed it, but Google isn't an option
21:07.30ProteousIf I remember right there is an "update map locations" button/function
21:07.47Proteousthere is also some option for "use maps that might not be legal to use"
21:09.08GeneralAntillesThe documentation it harasses you about when you first open it is helpful.
21:10.19Stskeepshttp://www.allmobileworld.it/?p=8601 <- wtf :P
21:10.33luke-jrGeneralAntilles: how can I see that?
21:12.34qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: i'm still waiting for the 666...
21:12.50luke-jr666 is base 8
21:12.53Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: pandora is -actually- nokia 666.
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21:13.31Stskeepsbut see the video, even if the girl isn't that cute, concept is interesting :P
21:14.06qwerty12_N800that image is *so* old though :/
21:14.17Stskeepshehe
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21:15.19Stskeepsyeah, ok, 2005
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21:20.39t_s_ohmm, seems boafm do not cleanly return function to speakers on exit...
21:21.44JaffaCorsac: if you run the installer through setarch, it works. It's an overzealous check, not an actual requirement
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21:26.58luke-jrgrr, Maemo Mapper keeps crashing
21:27.03luke-jrthe AGPS app keeps the GPS running tho
21:27.15luke-jrbut when Mapper starts again it seems to reset it ☹
21:27.34StskeepsMaemo Mapper is a bit crashy in latest version
21:27.36Stskeepsnot sure why
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21:29.30luke-jr"Go to" doesn't seem to work either
21:29.50RST38hAnyone seen a THUMB function call done with MOV R14,shit ; BLL #0 ?
21:30.31qwerty12_N800shit or shift? :>
21:31.28luke-jrlol
21:31.39RST38hSHIT
21:31.55RST38hAnd, by the way, I want to kill whoever has done this
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21:34.25Davidehi do you know would it be possible to run a perl interface on xchat on the N800?
21:34.34GeneralAntilleslol http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=265464&postcount=24
21:35.42Corsacmhmh, multisync with gpesyncd seems to do something, it says sync successfull, but no events in the database in the end :/
21:36.38RST38hGeneral: It is a useless discussion
21:36.54RST38hGeneral: 720p, 1080p, who gives a damn?
21:37.43qwerty12_N800Davide: you dunno the amount of crap I tried to fix so that xchat could be built with perl... not the same I know, but the version of xchat i put in extras-devel has the python interface enabled
21:37.51RST38hBesides, once you miss cache and go out to SDRAM, both shiny OMAP3 and lowly ARM11 will hang waiting for the 160MHz SDRAM part to respond
21:37.57GeneralAntillesRST38h, apparently that marketing approach is working really well.
21:38.14RST38hGeneral: On mentally soft people, anyway
21:38.22GeneralAntillesOMAP3 is DDR, isn't it?
21:38.27RST38hDunno
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21:38.33GeneralAntillesI believe it is.
21:38.37GeneralAntillesRAM's faster than OMAP2
21:38.43RST38hMy guess is that in a consumer device you will still get the same standard SDRAM
21:38.49Davidequerty12_N800 is it only python can't do perl?
21:38.55Stskeepsconsole-setup needs to die
21:38.58Davidesomeone wrote a perl script for me that I wanted to use... a short one
21:39.07DavideI'm not sure how to get it to work
21:39.08RST38husually operating in 100MHz..180MHz range, with power consumption increasing exponentially with clock
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21:39.31Davideqwerty12_N800
21:39.38RST38hNow, if OMAP3 has 512kB+ of cache, that would be something ;)))
21:40.01qwerty12_N800Davide: only python. besides, perl isn't really supported well in maemo anyway
21:40.06luke-jrMapper uses 95% RAM :/
21:40.26timelessandre__: can you ask jeremiah if he needs to bugs.maemo.org accounts
21:40.42timelessif he doesn't, can you borrow justdave@mozilla-com's user merging script
21:40.43timelessand use it
21:40.59timelessbecause it sucks that i can't easily cc jeremiah
21:42.54Davideqwerty12_N800 I'm trying to find a way basically that xchat will trigger a sound when a specific keyword is entered
21:43.19Davideor that it would highlight a specific keyword only
21:43.19Davideidk
21:43.27Davideso I can make it play the sound
21:44.55andre__timeless, hmm... there's only one entry by jeremiah's non-maemo address, and it's CC'ed by both his addresses. so i think i'm lazy as there's no problem i see
21:45.38timelesserr
21:45.46timelessthe problem is that if you enter 'jeremiah' into the cc list
21:45.49timelessyou get a chooser
21:45.54timelessand have to pick one or the other
21:45.59qwerty12_N800Davide: i don't know unfortunately, all I do know is that xchat & perl aren't supported on the tablets and I've never studied the python xchat api
21:46.14andre__timeless, empty your browser cache?
21:46.16GeneralAntillestimeless, should we get another Jeremiah to register and solve it for good? ;)
21:46.20timelessif he only had one account, then entering 'jeremiah' will just cc <him>
21:46.27timelessgan: yeah well...
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21:46.44Davideqwerty12_N800 ok thank you for your help!
21:47.45RST38h~curse nameless Japanese programmer who misused BLL instruction
21:47.46infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, nameless Japanese programmer who misused BLL instruction !
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21:48.19timelessandre__: i could be mean and disable one of the accounts, it'd generally solve my problem :)
21:48.34timelessit's just that, for someone likely to be cc'd often...
21:48.44timelessit's helpful not to have to guess which of two addresses to pick
21:48.45andre__you could simply empty your browser cache
21:48.59timelessthat doesn't make sense
21:49.08timelessbecause the picker comes from the server side
21:49.19andre__the CC field does not offer anything here when entering "jeremiah"
21:49.25andre__no, it's not server side
21:49.38andre__are we speaking about maemo.org bugzilla?! :-P
21:49.46timelesssure it does
21:49.47timelessyes
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21:49.57timelesswhat other bugs.maemo.org's are there? :)
21:50.35GeneralAntilleslol
21:50.45andre__errr... 1. go to a bug report, 2. go to "Add CC" field, 3. enter "jeremiah", 4. see that nothing happens
21:50.53timelesshit enter
21:50.55andre__can someone confirm this please? :-D
21:51.02andre__ah
21:51.04andre__nice
21:51.07timeless...
21:51.08andre__never used
21:51.13timelesswelcome to the 90s
21:51.24GeneralAntilleslol
21:51.36andre__i'm used to on-the-fly autocompletion
21:51.37timeless(actually, it isn't quite that old, but still)
21:51.41andre__this is really 90es
21:51.52timelessthis works even if js is disabled
21:51.59timelesson the fly is often a disaster
21:52.06timelessespecially for tablet devices :)
21:52.34andre__workaround: enter name + @maemo.org :-P
21:52.34timelessanyway, please find out if jeremiah is ok w/ losing one of those accounts, and if so, borrow justdave's merging script and use it :)
21:52.40andre__yes, i'm lazy...
21:53.17timelessactually, jeremiah@m would work
21:53.22timelessbut only if i know that's the one he wants
21:53.24timelessand i don't know that
21:53.30timelessbecause he liss moth
21:53.36timelesslists both
21:53.37timelesssighs
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21:54.57timelesspokes sp3000
21:56.00timelessfrowns
21:56.07timelessi think i'm missing a tv programming slot
21:56.19timelessone of the finnish channels is showing Kyle XY a bunch of days a week
21:56.24timelessbut i seem to be missing an episode
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21:56.35timelesswhich means i'll have to find it somehow
21:57.06kkrustyis there an official port for truecrypt to maemo?
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21:57.35kkrustyThere is one mentioned in the forums but Im curious about whether its safe
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22:00.25Gnu[OFF]is away: Gone away for now
22:00.49GeneralAntillesGnu[OFF], turn that off.
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22:01.28kkrustyAwesome! the General is here! GeneralAntilles am I being paranoid?
22:01.45Stskeepskkrusty: yes, yes you are. :P
22:02.02Stskeepskkrusty: if you want to be 100% sure, review the source and build it yourself :P
22:02.12bensonkkrusty: no, because you imply you would trust an official port.
22:02.41bensonkkrusty: if you were paranoid, you would recode form scratch in assembler.
22:02.51bensons/or/ro/
22:03.11kkrustywell an official build would be more trustworthy than what someone said on a forum
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22:03.47bensonThe officials are probably in on the conspiracy! :p
22:03.54kkrustyIf I were really paranoid I'd lock myself in a sealed room to avoid anyone from reading my thoughts
22:03.56GeneralAntillesSomebody doesn't know Nokia.
22:04.00Stskeepsthere's official builds?
22:04.35gnutonis back.
22:04.36qwerty12_N800kkrusty: don't forget the tinfoil hat!
22:05.55GeneralAntillesYou know, aluminum foil mostly just amplifies radio waves. :P
22:07.21mavhcyou trust the cpu maker not to have altered the cpu to steal all your info?
22:07.56GeneralAntillesHehe
22:08.57kkrustyWell I might as well think that Im genetically modified to produce a low powered signal detailing my every thought
22:12.40b-manlol
22:12.46wazdomgomgomg! Another real competitor steps forward!11 http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/18/ramos-t9-imovie-2-pmp-800-x-480-16gb-132/
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22:12.53wazdI should post bout it!
22:13.13b-manyou shuld ;)
22:13.38kkrustyso what is n900 going to have?
22:13.45bensonI wonder how pweful that one is...
22:13.54b-manomap3
22:14.05b-man3d
22:14.08b-manect..
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22:14.29GeneralAntilleswazd, do three blogs!
22:14.29bensonlarge quantities of awesome!
22:14.55bensonkkrusty: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25478
22:15.17kkrustybenson, cool! thanks
22:15.22wazdGeneralAntilles: I can't type normaly@111 I'm overexcited!1
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22:17.49wazdwow, Mer post is on the maemo index already) Nice)
22:19.11GeneralAntillesCouncil blog's still broked.
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22:27.51Stskeepswonders idly how HAL ever got popular
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22:29.17kkrustybenson, did you find any replacement for zonescreen?
22:30.13bensonkkrusty: Huh? I haven't been looking for one...
22:30.14qwerty12_N800found out why his N800 is treated as a music player in linux after looking at hal - there's an upstream rule to treat 770's & N800's as music players
22:30.27Stskeepsheh
22:30.36Stskeepscos of the internal sotrage?
22:30.44Stskeepser, usb mass storage
22:30.50kkrustybenson, right. I was just thinking that you were from the forum posting
22:30.51qwerty12_N800yep :)
22:31.40bensonkkrusty: I'm Benson from itT, and I read that thread, but that wasn't my hack...
22:31.44jakemaheuqwerty, you should remove it
22:32.33kkrustybenson, right. sorry
22:33.07bensonwhat's wrong with zonescreen, anyhow?
22:34.03qwerty12_N800jakemaheu: yeah, I remember it annoying me a long while back but no idea what caused it because rhythmbox would run when I connected my N800 and then crash but still leave its process hanging around and it made the N800 "un-unmountable" until I killed rhythmbox
22:34.21kkrustybenson, nothing wrong with it. Im using linux
22:34.51kkrustybenson, by the way ZoneScreen doesn't encrypt.
22:34.55GeneralAntillesHaha
22:35.00bensonOh, then just set up a dummy screen and use Xinerama should work.
22:35.33bensondoesn't remember the name of the X driver that uses a virtual framebuffer and no video card.
22:35.59bensonis pretty sure there was one, though.
22:36.03Stskeepsxvfb?
22:36.47bensonBut I have to wonder why... Why not just enable the cursor and use Synergy, starting any  desktop apps needed via ssh -x ?
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22:48.59skiburhello
22:49.22jakemaheuhello, skibur
22:50.02skiburbenson, to speed up Debian on the N800, do I enable CPU on Performance? or CPU on On-Demand?
22:50.15skiburhello jakemaheu, you have debian on your ITT?
22:50.32GeneralAntillesInternet Tablet Talk?
22:50.44qwerty12_N800heh
22:51.10skiburlol
22:51.14skiburIT
22:51.22jakemaheuskibur: no, i don't
22:51.47skiburAny takers?
22:53.20qwerty12_N800as suggested by the name, performance. but your battery life will go down faster than it does in ondemand (the default mode)
22:54.42skiburo i c
22:54.45skiburthanks
22:58.34GeneralAntillesNo wonder Wii Homebrew isn't working . . . I took my SD card out.
22:58.43skiburlol
22:58.55GeneralAntillesI need to buy some more cards.
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23:07.59jakemaheuGeneral: You do Wii homebrew?
23:08.44GeneralAntillesjakemaheu, well, I installed it months ago, played ScummVM a bit then haven't looked at it since.
23:08.49jakemaheuah
23:09.08jakemaheuWhat version is your Wii? Mine is 3.2U
23:09.24GeneralAntillesMy Wii has gone a bit neglected next to my 360
23:09.27GeneralAntilles3.4, I guess?
23:09.30GeneralAntillesI just updated it.
23:10.04jakemaheuEek
23:10.06jakemaheubad idea
23:10.13jakemaheuvery, VERY BAD IDEA
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23:10.20jakemaheuwiibrew.org
23:10.25GeneralAntillesHomebrew channel still launches
23:10.32jakemaheuoh
23:10.39jakemaheu*phew*
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23:10.56Stskeepsponders when johnx will start on the wiimer port
23:11.17Macorwell... going to shut down this p3 tomorrow
23:11.34Macorsheds a tear for his p3
23:11.35Macorheh
23:11.45GeneralAntillesI'd use my Wii more if it could output VGA
23:11.56GeneralAntillesAs it is, I just don't end up in front of a real TV very often these days.
23:11.57Stskeepsisn't it 640x480? :P
23:12.04Macorwhat is the res of a wii? 420p?
23:12.06GeneralAntillesVGA cable
23:12.08GeneralAntillesYeah
23:12.09Stskeepsah
23:12.20Stskeepsponders what the tiny hole beside charger is on the 770
23:12.26GeneralAntillesFor instance, my 360 is hooked up to the VGA on one of my 20" monitors. ;)
23:12.29GeneralAntillesMic
23:12.34GeneralAntillesNo, it's not a reset button
23:12.38Stskeepsaw
23:12.39Stskeeps:(
23:12.40Macorhahaha
23:12.41GeneralAntillesSo don't stick any paperclips in there. :P
23:12.49b-manlol
23:12.54Macorthat would probably suck
23:12.58GeneralAntillesDon't laugh, people have done it. :P
23:13.04Macorhahaha
23:13.11Macorsomeone does everything
23:13.12b-manlaughs anyways
23:13.47Stskeepsyou know, 770s could actually be stacked and clustered.. lends more to the theory of maemo.org used to be run by WSODed 770s
23:14.14b-manheh
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23:14.26Stskeepsthey lend themselves a little more to stacking and usb connecting than n800s, for instance
23:15.46Guest10834i failed to identify cos you didnt tell me
23:15.59mavhchow are 770s better at stacking?
23:16.21qwerty12_N800you failed because you stole someone's nick :p
23:16.22Guest10834n810 with keyboards out stack really nicely
23:16.34Stskeepsmavhc: well, you can stack it and connect with usb, whereas with n800 you have to kick out the stand..
23:16.41mavhcah
23:17.45Guest10834i wonder if the n900 will have a kickstand
23:18.00Guest10834hopes it does
23:18.01Macorblah
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23:19.08fireunMacor: there is no room here for bordom
23:20.05GeneralAntillesGuest10834, if it doesn't I'm throwing a temper tantrum.
23:21.11qwerty12_N800I'll launch the nukes!
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23:21.52fireunhttp://www.inhabitat.com/2009/02/18/suncat-solar-batteries-by-knut-karlsen/#more-19494
23:22.04fireunneat and strangly obvious
23:22.11Macorfireun: stuck at work
23:22.39fireunohh, so sad, stuck with a job
23:22.40Macorleaving in a cpl hrs tho...just have to set something up
23:22.46Macorhahaha
23:22.56Macorgot laid off or something?
23:22.58Guest10834GeneralAntilles: but isnt the aim to be rotated and more portraity
23:23.13Macorblame bush
23:23.20fireunMacor: it doesnt do any good
23:23.27fireunI've been doing it for years
23:23.34GeneralAntillesGuest10834, how do you mean?
23:23.42Macorhaha
23:23.51Macori dont mind my job
23:24.32MaceG1just... im off tomorrow for a week so today seems to be the watched tea pot
23:24.35Guest10834arent the rotation bugs marked as fixed in fremantle, and doesnt clutter allow orientation flips on the fly etc
23:24.39fireunMaceG1: then keep yer bordom to yer self (:
23:25.11GeneralAntillesGuest10834, the default mode is going to be landscape.
23:25.52GeneralAntillesClutter really doesn't have anything to do with orientation.
23:26.08GeneralAntillesand I'm not actually sure rotation is going to be a part of Fremantle.
23:26.39Guest10834how do you know?
23:26.54Guest10834and clutter does, because it just uses a rotated actor
23:27.36Guest10834you dont know any more than me or (most) others in the chan surely?
23:27.58Guest10834is "speculating"
23:28.39wazdlet's speculate!
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23:28.51wazdrebelrebelrebelrebelrebel!)
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23:32.28MaceG1i need to see if there is an android update when i get home
23:33.15MaceG1i am pretty sure there is one. maybe the open one has a2dp now
23:34.53GeneralAntillesGuest10834, rotation involves the XServer and the kernel.
23:35.06Guest10834or opengl and no x updates
23:35.13GeneralAntillesNot everything uses Clutter
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23:35.19GeneralAntillesso just rotating Clutter doesn't really help.
23:35.30GeneralAntillesI know because I tend to pay attention to as many things Maemo as I can. :)
23:35.34Guest10834unless x is rerouted through clutter
23:36.47qwerty12_N800Isn't clutter just a framework? if your plain gtk app was run through clutter, surely you'd get a performance hit
23:37.32Guest10834dunno, isnt the same thing said about using opengl as a compositing manager?
23:37.47Guest10834the speedups by using hardware rendering makes it worthwhile?
23:37.55Guest10834anyway, thats for another day
23:37.59Guest10834gnite
23:38.09qwerty12_N800night
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23:40.06jaemgood morning\
23:40.52jaemI happen to have an excess of N810 car mounts.  What would be a reasonable price for them, mint in baggies?
23:41.04fireunfell off a truck, eh?
23:41.08jaemno
23:41.10jaemlol
23:41.34jaemNokia shipped me a new N810 after the warranty shipment went afoul, and didn't ask for the accessories of the original back
23:41.49jaemand I don't have a car
23:42.07fireunditto
23:42.09fireunbike mount?
23:42.15jaemI don't have a bike
23:42.18jaemor a Segway
23:42.22fireunwhat do you do? walk!?
23:42.30jaemI could probably afford a Fisher Price roller skate
23:42.31jaemmaybe
23:42.41fireunI couldnt
23:42.42jaemfireun: no, we have decent transit around my Uni
23:42.53jaemfireun: I meant *one* roller skate ;)
23:43.08jaemour tuition gets us a sweet deal on transit passes
23:43.32fireunyeah, that would be nice - seems almost required, living next to school that is.
23:43.43fireunbut it costs more
23:44.16GeneralAntilleslol . . . Clutter
23:44.21jaemwell, $90 CAD gets us unlimited transit on the buses, water-taxi-things, and the elevated train
23:44.27jaemfor four months
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