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| 08:10.27 | StsN801 | heh, danish translation of facebook fail.. button on another persons page saying 'slå op', which means 'break up' in context of a person or relationship.. or 'look up', which is what they probably meant |
| 08:12.54 | X-Fade | is back |
| 08:14.48 | StsN801 | hehe, hope you had a good week off:) |
| 08:15.17 | X-Fade | Oh, yes. Plenty of snow ;) |
| 08:16.23 | StsN801 | similar here.. then again, shoveling snow is better for your mental health than system administration |
| 08:16.53 | X-Fade | Well, I was skiing, so that is the more pleasant way of dealing with snow :) |
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| 08:17.18 | StsN801 | hehe, indeed |
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| 08:48.45 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:49.47 | Stskeeps | morning Jaffa |
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| 08:52.50 | Stskeeps | i seriously wonder what the heck caused ubuntu to drop 30mb in compressed size |
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| 08:56.39 | Macer | awesome |
| 08:57.08 | Stskeeps | mm? |
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| 08:57.51 | Macer | just finished making a new dns and shell box |
| 08:57.59 | Macer | well.. dns and shell VMs ;) |
| 08:58.09 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: 0.8 today? |
| 08:58.12 | Meiz_n810 | you can ssh to my tablet if needed |
| 08:58.26 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: yes, want an image to dl while you're at school? (not snowed in i presume?) |
| 08:58.48 | Stskeeps | well, that or apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 08:59.03 | Stskeeps | i found out what caused it not to autodetect, yesterday, so |
| 08:59.12 | Meiz_n810 | yes, gimme a new image |
| 08:59.16 | Meiz_n810 | :) |
| 08:59.18 | Stskeeps | k |
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| 09:00.57 | Stskeeps | this image just came out of the oven so i am testing it right now too |
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| 09:04.57 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: quiver looks -nice- |
| 09:04.59 | Stskeeps | who made that_ |
| 09:05.24 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: i like it too, no idea who made it |
| 09:05.28 | qwerty12_N800 | it's closed source :/ |
| 09:05.44 | andre__ | Stskeeps, ubuntu size drop - which version? |
| 09:05.54 | Stskeeps | andre__: jaunty |
| 09:06.16 | Stskeeps | well, i noticed our images suddenly dropped 30mb in compressed size |
| 09:06.23 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Maybe artwork or some documentation? |
| 09:06.34 | Stskeeps | possible |
| 09:06.40 | timeless | hello world |
| 09:06.43 | Stskeeps | or they removed some insane dependancy |
| 09:06.43 | timeless | x-fade? |
| 09:06.47 | timeless | i'm looking for string help |
| 09:06.49 | andre__ | i know that we removed lots of unused images cruft from the evolution user docs e.g. :) |
| 09:06.50 | X-Fade | timeless: here.. |
| 09:06.51 | Stskeeps | like, let's say, libgweather for network manager |
| 09:06.58 | timeless | open browser settings, second tab |
| 09:07.16 | luke-jr | how is the 3D performance on N810? |
| 09:07.22 | timeless | there's an option which basically means "if you uncheck this, most pages you try to load will give you a useless error message" |
| 09:07.27 | RST38h | Any news from MWC? |
| 09:07.34 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: software rendering. |
| 09:07.40 | Stskeeps | RST38h: don't think it's just yet |
| 09:07.46 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: yeah, I know that.. but how is it? :x |
| 09:07.55 | RST38h | Sts: http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/live-from-nokias-mwc-2009-press-conference/ |
| 09:07.58 | X-Fade | timeless: Connection tab? |
| 09:08.05 | timeless | yep |
| 09:08.39 | X-Fade | timeless: 3 options: Homepage addres, Use default homepage and enable automatic redirection. |
| 09:08.52 | timeless | x-fade: we're going to try |
| 09:09.03 | timeless | "Enable Web Redirects\n(Disabling will break most websites)" |
| 09:09.23 | X-Fade | Ah ;) |
| 09:09.44 | Stskeeps | tries to boot 0.8 |
| 09:10.55 | timeless | x-fade: i've made a new forjx if you want to try :) |
| 09:11.25 | Stskeeps | wonders why rsa key generation is so much slower than dsa key generation |
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| 09:11.42 | X-Fade | timeless: Maybe later, I'm trying to plow through a one week email backlog ;) |
| 09:13.32 | Stskeeps | RST38h: http://events.nokia.com/mwc/home.htm |
| 09:16.24 | Stskeeps | hardware time |
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| 09:17.36 | jeremiah | Good Morning all. :) |
| 09:19.53 | Stskeeps | morning, first day at work ;) |
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| 09:20.29 | RST38h | Sts: ! Does not load though |
| 09:20.33 | RST38h | moo wazd |
| 09:20.46 | Stskeeps | RST38h: watching though |
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| 09:20.53 | Proteous | me tooo |
| 09:21.02 | jeremiah | Stskeeps: Exactly. :) |
| 09:21.03 | Proteous | booorrinnngggg |
| 09:21.04 | wazd | hohoho) |
| 09:21.05 | RST38h | forgot to mention the so called "flash video" as an entry in the list of his hate subjects |
| 09:21.09 | wazd | Christmas time! |
| 09:21.16 | wazd | http://events.nokia.com/mwc/home.htm |
| 09:21.19 | Proteous | stop talking about lotas notes |
| 09:21.24 | Proteous | lotus |
| 09:21.34 | RST38h | Sts: Anything new? |
| 09:21.38 | Stskeeps | wazd: not yet |
| 09:21.38 | Proteous | not yet |
| 09:21.45 | Stskeeps | wazd: it is even snowing outside |
| 09:21.46 | Proteous | *snore* |
| 09:22.45 | Jaffa | 's not holding his breath |
| 09:22.50 | RST38h | Ok, Engadget has got the plain text log |
| 09:22.54 | Proteous | good, you'd have passed out by now |
| 09:25.51 | Proteous | new phone |
| 09:25.51 | wazd | nice |
| 09:25.55 | wazd | E55 |
| 09:26.26 | Proteous | seems we are moving back to T9... |
| 09:26.36 | Proteous | the broken english is killing me |
| 09:26.40 | wazd | wht, full qwerty :) |
| 09:26.42 | Stskeeps | a month of standby time? |
| 09:26.43 | Stskeeps | wtf |
| 09:26.57 | Stskeeps | is it fuel cell powered? :P |
| 09:27.26 | wazd | nice phone |
| 09:27.34 | timeless | proteous: what broken English? |
| 09:27.41 | RST38h | bleah |
| 09:27.46 | Stskeeps | timeless: en_FI? ;) |
| 09:27.54 | RST38h | half-a-keyboard, quarter-a-screen |
| 09:27.54 | Proteous | lol |
| 09:28.11 | timeless | sts: that's what i think when i see broken English |
| 09:28.17 | timeless | just wondering if that's what he meant |
| 09:28.22 | wazd | ok, tablet's time)) |
| 09:28.23 | Stskeeps | en_DA is worse |
| 09:28.39 | timeless | is that Danish English? |
| 09:28.41 | wazd | hah))\ |
| 09:28.49 | Stskeeps | hah, messing up product numbers |
| 09:28.59 | timeless | ? |
| 09:29.10 | wazd | I always said that nokia n*** system is stupid) |
| 09:29.13 | Stskeeps | he went n95->n97,e75 |
| 09:29.21 | Proteous | I hate phones with full keyboards and tiny ass screens |
| 09:29.43 | Stskeeps | timeless: yes, horrible accented danish english |
| 09:29.49 | wazd | he's pretty nervous :) |
| 09:29.49 | RST38h | likes E75, but has said so before |
| 09:30.10 | timeless | um |
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| 09:30.16 | timeless | don't google images for e75 |
| 09:30.22 | timeless | at least, not at work |
| 09:30.24 | Proteous | lol |
| 09:30.30 | qwerty12 | haha |
| 09:31.21 | Proteous | better then the E71? |
| 09:31.27 | RST38h | yes |
| 09:31.33 | RST38h | E71 has got tiny little keys |
| 09:31.42 | timeless | likes the e61i |
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| 09:31.54 | Proteous | likes the n97 |
| 09:32.14 | Stskeeps | prices aren't that bad so far |
| 09:32.31 | Proteous | the dollars to euros ratio sucks nowdays |
| 09:32.40 | Proteous | so they look pretty expensive to me :) |
| 09:32.43 | RST38h | didn't it for the last n years? |
| 09:32.47 | Proteous | heh |
| 09:32.49 | Stskeeps | no, not ovi :( |
| 09:33.07 | Proteous | nice tie |
| 09:33.11 | RST38h | Is "ovi" a finnish word for "enema"? |
| 09:33.14 | wazd | ok, boring time) |
| 09:33.22 | timeless | Door[k] |
| 09:33.27 | Proteous | heh |
| 09:33.32 | RST38h | 375 euros for E75 |
| 09:33.47 | RST38h | for this price, they should have at least installed a bigger screen |
| 09:34.44 | aquatix | RST38h: "ovi" isn't plural voor "egg" or something? |
| 09:35.06 | aquatix | hm, what will the N97 be? |
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| 09:35.59 | RST38h | aquatix: that is Latin, I think |
| 09:36.36 | aquatix | RST38h: that was my hunch |
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| 09:37.08 | Proteous | ass applications have gone mainstream |
| 09:37.16 | Proteous | who knew? |
| 09:37.18 | RST38h | aquatix: it is singular too, plural will be something like "ovae" |
| 09:37.59 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: progress on dl? |
| 09:38.02 | wazd | aaaah, stop the lecture please :( |
| 09:38.26 | RST38h | wonders what happens when the "services" bubble pops |
| 09:38.31 | Proteous | *PAUSE FOR NO APPLAUSE |
| 09:38.37 | RST38h | Poor Nokia will take a huge hit |
| 09:38.56 | Stskeeps | sometimes i wonder how finns can even sell stuff.. not much passion in the voice at all |
| 09:39.12 | Stskeeps | (yes, im biased, dated a finnish girl for some years :P) |
| 09:39.16 | Proteous | heh |
| 09:39.18 | RST38h | wazd: On the other hand, maybe MTS can somehow sell them their logo, at heavy discount =) |
| 09:39.34 | wazd | RST38h: xD\ |
| 09:39.46 | Proteous | WE ARE SO INOVATIVE!! WE ARE TOTALY NOT BEHIND BOTH APPLE AND ANDROID! |
| 09:39.53 | Proteous | OUR STORE IS TOTALY DIFFERNT |
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| 09:40.17 | wazd | Proteous: NOWAI?! DID HE SAID THAT?!!1 |
| 09:40.20 | Jaffa | just can't understand device/marque-specific services like Ovi trying to be social. |
| 09:40.35 | Proteous | social is the way to go for everything |
| 09:40.40 | RST38h | Jaffa: it is the buzzword. they have to follow the buzzwords. |
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| 09:40.47 | Proteous | even my breakfast cereal is socal nowdays |
| 09:40.58 | Proteous | so are my pants |
| 09:41.01 | RST38h | As I said, when this crap pops, they will be up for a rude awakening |
| 09:41.05 | Jaffa | Device-tie in doesn't work. I'm not going to choose my friends based on the device they have. |
| 09:41.07 | Meiz__n810 | Stskeeps: what was the trick needed for Fn? |
| 09:41.19 | Stskeeps | Meiz__n810: oh boy. it doesn't detect? |
| 09:41.20 | jeremiah | Actually I think there is some room for innovation and growth around mobile phone social apps. |
| 09:41.28 | jeremiah | Could be interesting. |
| 09:41.32 | Stskeeps | Meiz__n810: (you in mer 0.8 image now?) |
| 09:41.39 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: How's Mer on beagle running nowadays? |
| 09:41.45 | Meiz__n810 | Stskeeps: yes, Fn didn't work automatically |
| 09:42.10 | Stskeeps | Meiz__n810: excuse my french, but, fuck. try setxkbmap -model nokiarx44 -layout fisenoda |
| 09:42.20 | Meiz__n810 | ookay |
| 09:42.30 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: boots and shows on screen. I dont have a powered usb hub so i cannot test input devices |
| 09:42.33 | Stskeeps | but should be easily bootable |
| 09:42.40 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: 0.8 will have beagleboard release too |
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| 09:43.38 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Nice. |
| 09:44.05 | Stskeeps | Meiz__n810: works with fn now? |
| 09:45.21 | RST38h | "The service can recommend the best of where you are." So it's recommending Spanish podcasts, Spanish lessons, and Lonely Planet content based on the phone's presence in Barcelona." |
| 09:45.31 | RST38h | Are we all supposed to be impressed or what? |
| 09:47.06 | Stskeeps | RST38h: it is a lot more difficult to impress computer scientists who have seen this stuff in research labs for years.. |
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| 09:47.35 | glass | Stskeeps: crappy cs:ists are very easy to impress though because they don't see outsides of their lab.. |
| 09:47.42 | Stskeeps | glass: yes, of course |
| 09:47.43 | Proteous | you don't have to be a research scientist to find it boring |
| 09:48.10 | RST38h | Sts: What if I want a Tiger lillies album while in Barcelona? |
| 09:48.20 | RST38h | Sts: Or an obscure book? |
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| 09:48.30 | Proteous | maybe the figure if they keep telling us that this is the next generation it will actualy be true |
| 09:48.31 | RST38h | Sts: Can it guess that? |
| 09:48.43 | Stskeeps | RST38h: nop, and it is probably meant to be an assistant, not a wizard |
| 09:48.59 | RST38h | Sts: Stupid assistants are fired. |
| 09:49.04 | wazd | ok, no tablet |
| 09:49.09 | Stskeeps | then again, last.fm does it quite nicely |
| 09:49.11 | RST38h | Sts: BTW, stupid wizards are burned at a stake |
| 09:49.30 | Proteous | "She turned me into a newt!" |
| 09:49.33 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: works now, after that command |
| 09:49.34 | Proteous | "A newt?" |
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| 09:49.39 | Proteous | "Well, I got better" |
| 09:49.41 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: lovely. lshal me |
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| 09:58.18 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: otherwise, how does it work? |
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| 10:01.04 | wazd | boring( |
| 10:01.45 | Stskeeps | yup |
| 10:02.14 | wazd | let's wait for tommorow's Olli-Pekka Kallasvuo keynote |
| 10:02.20 | oli | morning :) |
| 10:02.46 | wazd | hello) |
| 10:03.25 | RST38h | wazd: Are they gonna announce more stuff? |
| 10:03.28 | RST38h | Mmmm |
| 10:03.28 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: i think i'm going to verify that VMDK works and say that this image is the 0.8 - Fn ability is reachable and we can provide it as an update |
| 10:03.51 | Stskeeps | since the HAL information is already a package |
| 10:03.58 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: is it ok, if i lshal later? i'm on maemo now. |
| 10:04.06 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: yes, it's fine |
| 10:04.18 | wazd | RST38h: if they won't announce new tablet on MWC it would be epic fail |
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| 10:05.11 | Stskeeps | i kinda think n97 is the new tablet, but that is me.. |
| 10:05.26 | wazd | Stskeeps: it's omap2 |
| 10:05.36 | wazd | Stskeeps: I doubt :) |
| 10:05.41 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, it's also s60, fremantle would kinda be a waste then... |
| 10:06.06 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: well, think of it environmentally, able to put both firmwares on.. |
| 10:06.14 | Stskeeps | .. or something |
| 10:06.17 | Stskeeps | goes back to testing mer |
| 10:06.40 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, a device shipped with a locked down system of sorts and with a open system? |
| 10:06.53 | qwerty12 | The two don't really go together |
| 10:07.48 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: well, if you can boot two different kinds of firmware images? :P |
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| 10:08.42 | Stskeeps | morning, lcuk |
| 10:08.42 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, that's what I'm saying though, I don't think that's going to happen due to symbian being locked down. It's odd to ship a locked device but say ok then, you can put maemo on it and have it open |
| 10:08.47 | RST38h | wazd: Not an epic fail of course, but a bad sign |
| 10:09.00 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: maybe |
| 10:09.01 | lcuk | hey Stskeeps good mornin |
| 10:09.25 | RST38h | wazd: As I said yesterday (and got GeneralAntilles angry), as far as customers are concerned, 5800/N97 *are* the next tablets |
| 10:09.44 | lcuk | qwerty12, but but but but didnt nokia pay off their partners so they COULD open it up |
| 10:10.24 | RST38h | wazd: And NITs are more like a semiexperimental product, akin to the first PDAs |
| 10:10.45 | lcuk | they are a hardware platform more akin to the beagleboards.. |
| 10:10.51 | qwerty12 | lcuk, that's not for a few years and signing still exists on the 5800 and N97 is gonna run the same version of s60 |
| 10:10.57 | lcuk | waiting for the right software to be sat on them :) |
| 10:11.12 | lcuk | fair enough |
| 10:11.15 | RST38h | Why is everybody so concerned about signing? |
| 10:11.27 | qwerty12 | RST38h, it says a lot about the openness |
| 10:11.37 | RST38h | Do you know that you can SELF-SIGN S60 apps and get pretty much all the features you need? |
| 10:11.45 | Stskeeps | RST38h: ability to repurpose my tablets if need be |
| 10:11.53 | lcuk | signing is a legit way to do QA in a distributed environment |
| 10:12.36 | qwerty12 | RST38h, lemme know when you can self sign your way to AllFiles permission |
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| 10:13.27 | lcuk | qwerty12, you know FAR too much about everything nokia, are you a secret adaptive technodrone? |
| 10:13.46 | lcuk | the AI for the next gen system? :D |
| 10:13.58 | lcuk | (note, i said AI like ali g) |
| 10:14.09 | qwerty12 | lcuk, nope, I just used to be on the nokia warez sites a lot :) |
| 10:15.15 | lcuk | on'tday entionmay ethay arezway itessay |
| 10:15.31 | RST38h | qwerty: But why do you need allfiles? |
| 10:15.52 | RST38h | qwerty: Your application needs anything from C:\bin or what? |
| 10:16.06 | lcuk | to be able to replace the sign checking app with a bare stump |
| 10:16.27 | lcuk | or to include your own wardialer |
| 10:16.30 | RST38h | how useful is this for a normal user? |
| 10:16.46 | qwerty12 | RST38h, it's nice to be able to browse files from C:\system to change things like op logo like I could do in symbian 6.1 |
| 10:16.49 | lcuk | did qwerty EVER assert he was a normal user? |
| 10:17.09 | qwerty12 | RST38h, like I say, it says a lot about the openness |
| 10:17.24 | RST38h | lcuk: Well, I have been talking about S60 from the point of view of a normal user or a regular app developer |
| 10:17.42 | RST38h | lcuk: Self signing is sufficient for 99% of these |
| 10:17.53 | qwerty12 | RST38h, go on any warez site and see the amount of n00bs trying to get help to sign x-plore so they can get access to the full filesystem |
| 10:17.56 | lcuk | i tend to agree |
| 10:18.28 | lcuk | RST38h, its like 99% would be ok with html dev and a bit of python scripting |
| 10:18.44 | lcuk | how well would your emulator work on iphone by the way.. ? |
| 10:18.55 | RST38h | lcuk: not really, you can do lots of native stuff with self signed |
| 10:19.09 | RST38h | lcuk: No idea, have never been interested in iphone |
| 10:19.09 | lcuk | i understand that, but thats the effect |
| 10:19.24 | RST38h | lcuk: Do notice that iPhone restrictions have nothing to do with S60 restrictions |
| 10:19.32 | RST38h | lcuk: very, VERY different |
| 10:19.44 | RST38h | qwerty: Well, do not go to warez sites |
| 10:19.54 | lcuk | no, but its restrictions all the same. neither of you can get at the core lowest level to code how you want |
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| 10:19.56 | RST38h | qwerty: You steal stuff -> you suffer. |
| 10:19.58 | lcuk | you hit a barrier |
| 10:20.09 | RST38h | lcuk: I can with S60 |
| 10:20.17 | RST38h | lcuk: No problem at all |
| 10:20.19 | Stskeeps | Symbian is much about the DRM isn't it_ |
| 10:20.25 | qwerty12 | RST38h, too late for that :>, but even tons of people who don't know shit want allfiles (dunno if they want it for fun) |
| 10:20.29 | Stskeeps | which is probably why it is difficult to do AllFiles |
| 10:20.35 | RST38h | lcuk: Can even get screen buffer address and screw with it however I want |
| 10:20.41 | lcuk | cool, you and lots may be ok, but there are some who resent the barrier |
| 10:20.50 | RST38h | qwerty: If you do not know shit, you do not need allfiles |
| 10:21.05 | RST38h | qwerty: Maybe you *think* you need it because someone told you, but you really don't |
| 10:21.31 | RST38h | lcuk: Groundless resentment is not a valid argument. |
| 10:21.46 | lcuk | why isnt it? its what real people out there do |
| 10:21.46 | RST38h | Sts: I have yet to meet DRM in Symbian =) |
| 10:22.03 | RST38h | lcuk: Yes, it is what 1% of S60 users do |
| 10:22.11 | RST38h | lcuk: Remaining 99% do not care |
| 10:22.17 | qwerty12 | *I* need it because I hack all my phones, but I can't claim symbian to be open when you have to beg symbiansigned for a cert to sign your shit |
| 10:22.18 | lcuk | agreed entirely |
| 10:22.46 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: OLPC isn't entirely open either, heh |
| 10:22.49 | lcuk | qwerty12, do you have to present your shit in a little clear plastic bag? or do you just take a photo of it in the bowl? |
| 10:22.51 | RST38h | qwerty: Now, their "openness" claims are somewhat overblown :) |
| 10:23.09 | RST38h | But for all practical purposes, they are open enough |
| 10:23.58 | lcuk | RST38h, just like in linux a "user" without root permissions can do lots, but there are some situations where root is wanted, especially in a home machine |
| 10:24.00 | RST38h | lcuk: See, there are people who drill their skulls and people who hang themselves from huge metal hooks |
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| 10:24.21 | RST38h | lcuk: It is called "diversity" |
| 10:24.49 | RST38h | lcuk: Nobody arrests them or anything, but nobody cares about them either |
| 10:24.52 | lcuk | RST38h, yeah, trepanation sounds relaxing actually |
| 10:25.34 | RST38h | lcuk: So, when I hear another "OSS advocate" ramble about evil Symbian signing process, I just idly wonder if he knows what he is talking about |
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| 10:26.04 | RST38h | There is a well defined set of apps you can't do due to Symbian signing and it is very small and eclectic |
| 10:26.33 | lcuk | i used to as well, but i honestly thought it had already changed, is signing going to go away on existing devices once they open it up, or is this opening up not backwards compatible |
| 10:26.37 | qwerty12 | But that "1%" is still there, laying claim to the fact that it isn't open |
| 10:26.40 | RST38h | Pretty much only realy useful thing you can't do is the file type recognizers, due to an architectural mistake in Symbian |
| 10:27.13 | RST38h | qwerty: As I said, skull drillers are also here, but who gives a fuck? |
| 10:27.32 | qwerty12 | Fuck them, I'm talking about symbian |
| 10:27.46 | RST38h | IBM made a 32nm Cortex, hehe |
| 10:27.50 | lcuk | thats like the wookie defense |
| 10:36.51 | wazd | http://www.htc.com/www/ |
| 10:37.04 | wazd | htc updated the site too early)) |
| 10:37.46 | timeless | timeless.justdave.net/maemo/setalarm.png |
| 10:37.54 | timeless | anyone have thoughts about the 'Select' button? |
| 10:41.01 | X-Fade | timeless: 'Set alarm' :) |
| 10:41.35 | X-Fade | Hmm what is that select used for anyway? |
| 10:41.52 | X-Fade | Shouldn't that be OK and Cancel? |
| 10:42.50 | Jaffa | X-Fade: it's "Browse" the the "Sound" box isn't it? |
| 10:43.54 | X-Fade | Jaffa: I guess so, very confusing as the sound thing is a select box already? |
| 10:44.30 | timeless | right |
| 10:44.34 | timeless | is 'choose' better? |
| 10:44.50 | timeless | remember i'm testing Diablo apps w/ Fremantle hildon in VMWare using my strings |
| 10:45.02 | timeless | (running Mer of course) |
| 10:45.27 | timeless | do i need 'Custom sound' ? |
| 10:50.32 | GeneralAntilles | lol . . . everybody gets hyped up over an announcement we pretty much knew wasn't coming here then is disappointed and worried. |
| 10:50.43 | timeless | ? |
| 10:50.46 | timeless | what's this? |
| 10:50.54 | timeless | btw, why don't i have a map in my clock? |
| 10:51.06 | GeneralAntilles | timeless, can you fix the "updating repositories" string in h-a-m? |
| 10:51.14 | timeless | i have /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon/qgn_indi_worldmap.jpg |
| 10:51.24 | timeless | gan: i believe so, what should it say? |
| 10:51.44 | qwerty12 | timeless, tried gtk-update-icon-cache -f /usr/share/icons/hicolor ? |
| 10:51.58 | GeneralAntilles | Now it says "Checking for updates; please wait" |
| 10:52.02 | qwerty12 | Actually, dunno if the map image is cached |
| 10:52.09 | GeneralAntilles | At the very least, "please wait" should be dropped |
| 10:52.18 | timeless | ok |
| 10:52.27 | timeless | yeah, definitely my string |
| 10:52.30 | GeneralAntilles | "Updating application catalog..." was what I was thinking |
| 10:52.42 | timeless | are you sure it's only used in one place? |
| 10:52.47 | timeless | (source is open, you can check) |
| 10:52.57 | timeless | hildon-application-manager-l10n-enus1/po/en_US.po:msgstr "Checking for updates; please wait" |
| 10:52.58 | timeless | hildon-application-manager-l10n-enus1/po/en_US.po:msgstr "Preparing to install; please wait" |
| 10:53.29 | GeneralAntilles | I mean, we've got a dialog with a progress bar |
| 10:53.33 | GeneralAntilles | can't we assume we're waiting? |
| 10:53.38 | timeless | is 'application catalog' the user's catalog? |
| 10:53.46 | timeless | as opposed to the catalogs the user told the app about? |
| 10:54.17 | timeless | msgstr "Updating application catalog" |
| 10:54.21 | timeless | msgstr "Preparing to install" |
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| 10:56.05 | GeneralAntilles | Application catalog is what's used in the menu. |
| 10:56.13 | timeless | qwerty: tried, no good |
| 10:56.26 | qwerty12 | odd |
| 10:56.57 | timeless | gan: ok, i've changed them locally, repacking |
| 10:57.29 | GeneralAntilles | It'd be nice if we could have it display what catalog it's updating. |
| 10:57.39 | timeless | file a bug |
| 10:57.49 | timeless | but keep in mind that some versions of apt clients do multiple concurrently |
| 10:57.59 | timeless | that's well beyond my powers |
| 10:58.16 | timeless | odd |
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| 10:58.25 | timeless | ham can't reach my internal repo |
| 10:58.30 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, if I get powerlaunch running in Mer, would it be a help? I need a way to reboot without taking my battery out (sudo reboot takes too long for me - yes, I'm lazy) |
| 10:58.54 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: yes, of course |
| 10:59.00 | Stskeeps | even minimal functionality |
| 11:00.05 | jeremiah | Hello Niels! |
| 11:00.17 | X-Fade | Our new debmaster speaks :) |
| 11:00.20 | timeless | qwerty/et al |
| 11:00.25 | timeless | wait, debmaster, where? |
| 11:00.37 | timeless | i was just going to ask for someone to explain diversions |
| 11:00.38 | jeremiah | Hi X-Fade, Have seen your name around the wiki and stuff. :) |
| 11:00.49 | timeless | how do ithey work? :) |
| 11:00.50 | jeremiah | timeless: Can't you start with easier questions? |
| 11:00.52 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, how was vacation? |
| 11:01.02 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, the site managed not to fall to pieces while you were out. ;) |
| 11:01.03 | timeless | jeremiah: when someone installs my package, they get better strings |
| 11:01.08 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Lots of snow and no broken bones.. |
| 11:01.09 | timeless | when they uninstall them, they have no strings |
| 11:01.10 | timeless | why? :) |
| 11:01.19 | timeless | (easier question, presumably the same answer) |
| 11:01.35 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I monitored it every once in a while, but did no actual work ;) |
| 11:01.46 | jeremiah | timeless: When you say strings - can you be more specific? |
| 11:02.00 | jeremiah | What programming language for example? |
| 11:02.06 | timeless | jeremiah: do you have diablo-extras enabled for your device? |
| 11:02.12 | timeless | and have you backed it up recently? |
| 11:02.21 | timeless | err diablo extras-devel |
| 11:02.23 | timeless | sorry :) |
| 11:02.28 | jeremiah | timeless: Heh, no not yet. I will be working on an environment today. |
| 11:03.25 | jeremiah | But describe the issue and I will try to reporduce it. |
| 11:04.02 | timeless | um, do you have any devices? :) |
| 11:04.11 | timeless | open application manager |
| 11:04.43 | GeneralAntilles | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/source/l/language-support-translations-enus1/ |
| 11:04.51 | timeless | click the app title to open the app menu |
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| 11:05.02 | timeless | gan: i doubt that'll do anything useful |
| 11:05.11 | timeless | remember ham won't do dependencies for a .deb |
| 11:05.18 | timeless | kicks ham in the pork |
| 11:05.27 | GeneralAntilles | timeless, right, but we at least know what we're talking about now. ;) |
| 11:05.35 | GeneralAntilles | I'd rather it didn't resolve .deb dependencies |
| 11:05.45 | GeneralAntilles | We don't want to encourage people to toss around random .debs. |
| 11:05.46 | timeless | anyway, in the menu, click tools>application catalog(ue) |
| 11:05.57 | GeneralAntilles | Packages should be distributed through repositories. |
| 11:06.14 | jeremiah | timeless: How do you know this is happening in the packaging process? (Not to say it is not.) |
| 11:06.14 | timeless | if you're using en-GB, you're going to eventually (soon) need to switch to en-US (we'll talk that through later, but tell me now) |
| 11:06.25 | timeless | i wrote the debs? :) |
| 11:06.39 | jeremiah | okay, good reason . . . |
| 11:07.01 | timeless | in catalogs you probably will see a diablo extras repo |
| 11:07.04 | timeless | it's probably disabled |
| 11:07.13 | timeless | since i'm lazy, we'll hijack it, click it, click edit |
| 11:07.33 | timeless | in the address, change extras to extras-devel |
| 11:07.38 | timeless | and uncheck the disabled button |
| 11:07.56 | timeless | now you'll want to close the dialog chain |
| 11:08.04 | timeless | it should update your catalog |
| 11:08.07 | qwerty12 | Or use the install here: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/install/extras-devel.install |
| 11:08.22 | timeless | oh sure, make life easy for him |
| 11:08.25 | timeless | sighs |
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| 11:08.33 | timeless | where i came from, we only had a pen and paper |
| 11:08.45 | qwerty12 | :P |
| 11:08.48 | timeless | we couldn't even erase :) |
| 11:09.02 | jeremiah | heh |
| 11:09.19 | timeless | anyway, however you install extras-devel, is up to you |
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| 11:09.33 | timeless | you could use /etc/apt/sources.list[.d/whatever] for all i care |
| 11:09.57 | timeless | i'm just pretending i don't know anything about *garage and have something like a device in front of me |
| 11:10.05 | timeless | (i really know very little about garage) |
| 11:10.06 | jeremiah | timeless: When you say "better" what do you mean? Easier to read? |
| 11:10.18 | timeless | jeremiah: i'll let someone else describe that |
| 11:10.30 | timeless | anyway, from here, in ham, select 'browse installable applications' |
| 11:10.34 | timeless | i think that's whatit's called |
| 11:10.39 | timeless | then click the binoculars |
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| 11:11.08 | timeless | enter 'US English' and click ok |
| 11:11.13 | timeless | you should get one result |
| 11:11.16 | GeneralAntilles | So, NVIDIA is shipping a $99 Tegra-based (600, so, ARM11) MID sometime in 2010? |
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| 11:11.39 | timeless | gan: interesting |
| 11:12.06 | timeless | jeremiah: at this point, you can browse through the tabs, find out that i'm the author, read the description, perhaps read the dependencies |
| 11:12.21 | timeless | (although you need red pill mode iirc to read dependencies, if you don't know about red pill mode, i'm sure a bot will explain it) |
| 11:12.23 | GeneralAntilles | The price is optimistic, I think, but the hardware is going to be way behind the curve by that point. |
| 11:12.36 | timeless | gan: soudns good |
| 11:12.45 | GeneralAntilles | jeremiah, "better" meaning more like proper English and less like gibberish. |
| 11:12.46 | timeless | so it should ship overbudget and underpower |
| 11:13.00 | jeremiah | aha |
| 11:13.43 | timeless | gan: you can grab a new .zip now :) |
| 11:14.15 | timeless | jeremiah: anyway, have you installed it, contemplated installing it, or...? |
| 11:14.26 | timeless | btw, i'm sorry i didn't see you @fosdem |
| 11:14.31 | timeless | i could have given you a demo :) |
| 11:14.31 | jeremiah | timeless: Have not installed it, but will install it and take a look |
| 11:14.38 | jeremiah | timeless: Yeah, me too. |
| 11:14.49 | timeless | anyway, are you using en-US or en-GB right now? |
| 11:14.56 | timeless | if you're using US, you'll just need to reboot |
| 11:14.59 | GeneralAntilles | jeremiah, you order your N810 yet? |
| 11:15.05 | jeremiah | timeless: Yep, US |
| 11:15.12 | timeless | ok |
| 11:15.26 | jeremiah | GeneralAntilles: I asked for one, I am not sure of the status |
| 11:15.30 | timeless | anyway, basically, if you're ever silly enough to try to uninstall the package |
| 11:15.40 | jeremiah | I suppose I should go out and buy one ASAP. :) |
| 11:15.40 | timeless | you'll find your UI has no real 'words' |
| 11:16.05 | timeless | the reason is that i'm using Replaces because of the way the packages are designed |
| 11:16.13 | timeless | in Diablo, each app has one package for all localizations |
| 11:16.23 | GeneralAntilles | timeless, if the packaging can't be fixed, maybe it'd be easier to install it as a separate locale? |
| 11:16.26 | timeless | and I'm only shipping enus, not the other 15 locales |
| 11:16.39 | timeless | gan: nope :) |
| 11:16.42 | timeless | definitely not easier |
| 11:16.46 | timeless | locales are disasters as is |
| 11:16.58 | timeless | i could make a thing which creates a backup in a preinst stage |
| 11:17.02 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: 99$ tegra mid is from the same story as 10$ notebook I think |
| 11:17.08 | timeless | and then when it uninstalls it could restore that |
| 11:17.32 | GeneralAntilles | I wonder if there'll be any proper Linux-support spillover from Android-support for Tegra. |
| 11:17.49 | jeremiah | timeless: So you are not using po files? |
| 11:18.07 | timeless | jeremiah: um, not particularly relevant |
| 11:18.16 | jeremiah | okay |
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| 11:18.28 | timeless | internally nokia uses .xml files and .po files and .dtd files and binary drops |
| 11:18.50 | timeless | what's shipped to users are .xml files, .dtd files, and .mo files |
| 11:19.03 | timeless | sometimes we'll even ship a enGB file as enUS |
| 11:19.10 | timeless | just to add insult to injoury |
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| 11:19.32 | timeless | but the issue is that the package container has 16 locales |
| 11:19.40 | timeless | and as a vendor, i'm only vending a subset for each package |
| 11:20.39 | jeremiah | A subset of one or two languages . . . |
| 11:20.45 | timeless | 1/16 |
| 11:21.06 | timeless | eventually localizers are free to try to get the other 15 right by starting w/ my locale and translating |
| 11:21.09 | timeless | but before they do that |
| 11:21.17 | timeless | we'd need to get this issue fixed |
| 11:21.19 | RST38h | General,wazd: What is all this tlak about Tegra? |
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| 11:21.29 | timeless | while i am confident that my strings are better than what nokia ships |
| 11:21.45 | timeless | i can imagine another localizer doing something wrong and having a customer uninstall their package(s) |
| 11:21.45 | RST38h | thought Tegra was experimental, no connection to reality yet |
| 11:22.02 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, see Engadget. |
| 11:22.04 | timeless | if they uninstall them and end up w/ nothing (or something indistiguishable from it), then the customer is in trouble |
| 11:22.05 | GeneralAntilles | Nothings changed, really. |
| 11:22.35 | jeremiah | timeless: right |
| 11:22.56 | timeless | ponders |
| 11:23.05 | timeless | gan, so the sound chooser says 'Select sound' |
| 11:23.11 | timeless | someone suggested 'Select a sound' |
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| 11:23.56 | timeless | gtk20-l10n-enus1/po/en_US.po:msgstr "Select A File" |
| 11:24.10 | jeremiah | timeless: I'm going to need to take a closer look to see what is happening, I can't see the mechanism from the package side atm |
| 11:24.20 | jeremiah | Let me dig a little . . . |
| 11:24.39 | timeless | eyes gtk askance |
| 11:25.07 | timeless | jeremiah: my guess is that Alternatives or whatever that thing is are what i need |
| 11:25.22 | timeless | lcars uses it to replace the nokia boot logo |
| 11:25.29 | RST38h | General: Also, there are persistent rumors that NVidia is working on an x86 compatible chip |
| 11:26.19 | jeremiah | looks at Alternatives indebian |
| 11:26.26 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, so I've heard |
| 11:26.37 | RST38h | HTC Touch Pro 2...hmmmm... |
| 11:26.42 | RST38h | Can it run Unix? |
| 11:27.06 | RST38h | Wait, Touch Diamond 2 is also using 800x480 display |
| 11:27.06 | timeless | hrm |
| 11:27.07 | timeless | gan? |
| 11:27.10 | timeless | any idea what |
| 11:27.13 | timeless | msgid "ai_ti_select_location" |
| 11:27.13 | timeless | msgstr "Select location" |
| 11:27.16 | timeless | msgid "ai_ia_select_location" |
| 11:27.16 | timeless | msgstr "Select location for application" |
| 11:27.18 | timeless | are for? |
| 11:27.37 | RST38h | Poor Nokia |
| 11:28.00 | timeless | oh |
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| 11:28.04 | timeless | that's select-menu-location |
| 11:28.28 | timeless | which doesn't wfm in ham in Mer |
| 11:28.49 | jeremiah | timeless: This URL might be useful if you want to use "Alternatives" http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/91 |
| 11:29.16 | jeremiah | But I am not sure it addresses your issue |
| 11:29.36 | qwerty12 | At a guess, dpkg-divert? |
| 11:30.05 | jeremiah | Ah, replacing files with dpkg-divert? |
| 11:30.32 | GeneralAntilles | I hope this isn't totally ignored for Fremantle: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3822 |
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| 11:30.40 | qwerty12 | I've never actually used it so I don't know the specifics but it seems to keep the original files :) |
| 11:30.43 | GeneralAntilles | I'd just as soon see select-menu-location gone. |
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| 11:31.54 | jeremiah | qwerty12: It shouldn't actually. If I remember correctly. I used it once a while back, a bit of a hack. |
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| 11:32.43 | jeremiah | What happens is that dpkg refuses to install the package if it writes over a specific type of file, you have to tell it that you want to do that. |
| 11:32.55 | qwerty12 | ah :/ |
| 11:33.41 | timeless | jeremiah: so, dpkg-divert sounds interesting |
| 11:33.43 | timeless | but um |
| 11:34.00 | timeless | it'd help if someone provided a real example |
| 11:34.02 | jeremiah | Yeah, how does it address _your_ issue? |
| 11:34.40 | jeremiah | Both these steps can be achieved with one command. For example assume we wish to replace the gcc command to cause it to add "-O2" to all compilation jobs we'd run the following command as root: |
| 11:35.11 | jeremiah | dpkg-divert --add --rename --divert /usr/bin/gcc.real /usr/bin/gcc |
| 11:35.43 | jeremiah | So if you have to change XML files or whatnot, you can use a call to dpkg-divert in your debian rules file |
| 11:36.00 | jeremiah | dpkg-divert --add --rename --divert /usr/bin/gcc.real /usr/bin/gcc |
| 11:36.08 | jeremiah | Sorry, |
| 11:36.11 | jeremiah | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/118 |
| 11:36.18 | jeremiah | ^^ A useful link |
| 11:37.08 | timeless | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/625046 |
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| 11:37.50 | timeless | jeremiah: sorry, i need instructions in the form of cookie cutter DEBIAN/files |
| 11:38.02 | timeless | not random commands a hypothetical expert end user could run |
| 11:38.06 | timeless | i'm someone who doesn't care |
| 11:38.20 | timeless | and the localizers who will follow in my footsteps will care even less :) |
| 11:38.33 | timeless | if we can't fill in a blank, it won't happen :) |
| 11:38.34 | jeremiah | Right. |
| 11:39.06 | timeless | gan: i'm changing Select location* => Select menu* |
| 11:39.13 | timeless | because 'location' has other meanings |
| 11:39.19 | timeless | and it's totally stupid here |
| 11:40.01 | timeless | yeah, ok |
| 11:40.04 | timeless | this is almost doable |
| 11:40.14 | timeless | wonderful |
| 11:40.16 | timeless | i need 4 files |
| 11:40.26 | timeless | {pre,post}{inst,rm} |
| 11:42.25 | timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/dpkg-divert-demo/DEBIAN/ |
| 11:42.30 | timeless | i'll use that as a starting point |
| 11:42.53 | jeremiah | I'll check that out. |
| 11:43.07 | timeless | there are source debs for my packages somewhere |
| 11:43.14 | timeless | if you could try to put together a demo for one of them |
| 11:43.24 | timeless | preferably such that i can easily c+p for the other 63 packages |
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| 11:43.26 | timeless | that'd be great |
| 11:43.35 | timeless | we're really talking about ~64 packages |
| 11:43.38 | jeremiah | timeless: I am happy to work on that today. |
| 11:43.41 | timeless | so things should be *dead simple* |
| 11:43.44 | timeless | otherwise, => no go |
| 11:43.55 | timeless | having to s/r lots of files is fail |
| 11:43.58 | timeless | thanks |
| 11:44.04 | timeless | anyway, enjoy the strings |
| 11:44.11 | jeremiah | s/r ? Do you mean substitute remove? |
| 11:44.13 | timeless | if you wnat bleeding, gan can share 0.1.2pre's url |
| 11:44.15 | timeless | search/replace |
| 11:44.21 | jeremiah | ah |
| 11:44.42 | jeremiah | Can you fire off an email to jeremiah@maemo.org so we can also continue off of IRC? |
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| 11:45.49 | timelE61i | sp3000 @ lunch? |
| 11:46.09 | jeremiah | Mmmm lunch! |
| 11:46.21 | jeremiah | I am going to get some for myself. :) |
| 11:47.41 | X-Fade | Good idea. |
| 11:48.32 | aquatix | already had some |
| 11:48.38 | aquatix | enjoy! |
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| 11:51.27 | wazd | making favorite rock songs as alarm was really bad idea |
| 11:52.04 | wazd | Just listened to it and kept sleeping :) |
| 11:52.40 | wazd | Have to get some uber-thrash russian pop |
| 11:52.52 | qwerty12 | Next tablet should come with a shock prodder |
| 11:52.54 | GeneralAntilles | just listens to the radio. |
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| 11:53.20 | wazd | qwerty12: fire alarm horn :) |
| 11:53.49 | qwerty12 | hehe, probably have the same effect as the rest of my family wake up to beat the shit out of me :P |
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| 12:20.25 | wazd | What you will see next from Maemo 5 is the complete alpha SDK with the UI framework, but not the lead device. |
| 12:20.29 | wazd | goddamn |
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| 12:21.41 | Jaffa | wazd: where did you read that? |
| 12:21.51 | wazd | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=264787#post264787 |
| 12:22.23 | Jaffa | Ah cool. |
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| 12:28.32 | wazd | Well, I still wait for maemo 5 ui tomorrow) |
| 12:28.41 | GeneralAntilles | Don't hold your breath. |
| 12:28.49 | wazd | goddamn! |
| 12:28.57 | wazd | Screw you guys, I'm going home( |
| 12:29.07 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: One should never hold their breath for one day ;) |
| 12:29.09 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, we suck! |
| 12:29.35 | X-Fade | No matter what is announced the next day. Or not.. |
| 12:29.39 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, well, you never know, there's always the chance you could end up breaking a world record. |
| 12:29.39 | wazd | I'm tired of waiting ( |
| 12:29.50 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, STFU. |
| 12:29.55 | GeneralAntilles | I've been waiting since 2007. :P |
| 12:30.17 | GeneralAntilles | I was expecting an OMAP3 tablet when the _N810_ was announced. . . . |
| 12:30.30 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: hah) |
| 12:31.09 | Jaffa | wants new toys |
| 12:31.18 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, at least you have an N810. |
| 12:31.32 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: I want to make software, even thoug World of Goo is awesome game) |
| 12:31.40 | GeneralAntilles | 2 years. . . . |
| 12:31.43 | GeneralAntilles | Too goddamn long. |
| 12:32.05 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, why is that relevant? It's awesome, so you clearly can't make software? :P |
| 12:32.32 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: well, I need guidelines) |
| 12:33.01 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: Design without guidelines suck |
| 12:33.05 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, still don't see where World of Goo is relevant. :P |
| 12:33.22 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, Nokians keep saying to not wait for Nokia te get started. |
| 12:33.32 | GeneralAntilles | But I agree with you, wazd, working without guidelines sucks. |
| 12:33.36 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: I want to make software even while playing World of Goo ) |
| 12:34.20 | wazd | BTW it's not so cool to play with touchpad :( |
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| 12:35.26 | GeneralAntilles | F1 should just give up on trying to keep costs down. |
| 12:35.49 | GeneralAntilles | They need 1600HP turbo-charged engines and enough downforce to corner at 8G. |
| 12:35.58 | johnx | yeah, read the Nokia MWC on the bus :/ |
| 12:36.10 | GeneralAntilles | Crippling the cars just makes them more boring. |
| 12:36.22 | GeneralAntilles | Glad to see the grooves are gone, though. |
| 12:36.39 | johnx | rally is where it's at anyways, but WRC is screwing that up lately :/ |
| 12:36.44 | Stskeeps | johnx: forgot to upload src packages |
| 12:36.50 | johnx | me? |
| 12:36.58 | Stskeeps | done thst now :P |
| 12:37.04 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 12:37.22 | johnx | ah, crap. I forgot to run import on the server |
| 12:37.32 | johnx | sorry about that ... |
| 12:38.00 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, ALMS and *TCC is where it's at for me. |
| 12:38.04 | oli | is maemo livecd alive project? |
| 12:38.31 | Stskeeps | johnx: is finw |
| 12:38.47 | Stskeeps | i screwed up hal detection too |
| 12:39.05 | johnx | working as a team! :D |
| 12:39.24 | Stskeeps | hehe |
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| 13:29.23 | GeneralAntilles | Either my client's broken or you're just assholes. |
| 13:29.26 | GeneralAntilles | ~ping |
| 13:29.27 | infobot | ~pong |
| 13:29.31 | GeneralAntilles | Just assholes. |
| 13:29.48 | Jaffa | was wondering that |
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| 13:33.21 | b-man | infobot: burn himself |
| 13:33.22 | infobot | ACTION pours gasoline all over himself, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 13:34.13 | b-man | hehe |
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| 13:38.38 | tekojo | X-Fade: ping |
| 13:38.53 | X-Fade | tekojo: pong. |
| 13:39.23 | b-man | pritty quite today :) |
| 13:39.44 | tekojo | X-Fade: the training materials |
| 13:40.13 | X-Fade | tekojo: Will coach dneary.. |
| 13:40.26 | tekojo | Coach or just give a hand |
| 13:40.28 | dneary | Hi all |
| 13:40.40 | tekojo | dneary: there you are :-) |
| 13:40.47 | X-Fade | tekojo: Well he's the docmaster, so he should be able to do it anyway ;) |
| 13:40.50 | dneary | Coach is fine :) I'd like to understand better what's happening here |
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| 13:41.05 | X-Fade | tekojo: So coaching seems to be the better option. |
| 13:41.32 | X-Fade | is being swamped with requests on his first work day after holiday ;) |
| 13:41.35 | tekojo | simply just moving the existing stuff to an archive folder and moving the new stuff to a visible place |
| 13:42.17 | tekojo | X-Fade: which reminds me to send you an e-mail about server logs and statistics |
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| 13:44.36 | X-Fade | runs ... |
| 13:45.44 | dneary | OK - so, I want to be clear what I need to do before I break anything... |
| 13:45.59 | dneary | Create a new folder, development/training/chinook |
| 13:46.08 | X-Fade | dneary: I'll walk you through it, but first let's do the voting. |
| 13:46.14 | tekojo | just training/chinook |
| 13:46.17 | dneary | Move everything from the folder development/training to development/training/chinook |
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| 13:46.20 | timelE61i | andre? |
| 13:46.24 | tekojo | or training/archive if you prefer |
| 13:46.33 | timelE61i | Do you file bugs about beagle/tracker? |
| 13:46.41 | andre__ | timelE61i, yepp? |
| 13:46.41 | X-Fade | dneary: Because I don't have time to fix it if you break the site.. |
| 13:46.51 | tekojo | Oops, it is development/training... |
| 13:46.54 | dneary | X-Fade: You want to get the database up & going first? I have an hour or two of scripting to do for that |
| 13:47.04 | andre__ | timelE61i, means? |
| 13:47.14 | dneary | tekojo: Yes - not development/documentation/training :) |
| 13:47.23 | timelE61i | There's a thing called "xesan" it's some sort of f plugin |
| 13:47.53 | timelE61i | Xesam auto index disabled. Click to active. |
| 13:47.59 | dneary | The things I don't know how to do are: (1) moving everything to a sub-folder and (2) copying the new docs to the vacated folder |
| 13:48.07 | timelE61i | Is what i get when i hover over it |
| 13:48.17 | timelE61i | Which is cute, but wrong :) |
| 13:48.19 | dneary | Xesam is the desktop search module |
| 13:48.29 | dneary | Oh - you know that |
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| 13:48.49 | timelE61i | Well, i wouldn't say i know anything |
| 13:48.50 | dneary | realises that timelE61i is probably timeless |
| 13:49.05 | tekojo | dneary: yes that's timeless |
| 13:49.15 | dneary | OK - so let's reach agreement |
| 13:49.24 | dneary | I was first going to move the documents, then set up the election |
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| 13:50.01 | dneary | Both probably need to be done today |
| 13:50.10 | dneary | But I definitely need Niels to do the election |
| 13:50.43 | dneary | X-Fade: Is there any way you can give me an access to that mysql database, I'd be able to get by on my own? |
| 13:50.48 | Jaffa | It sounds like there are still lots of karma bugs outstanding, despite them being repriotisied in the sprint meeting |
| 13:51.46 | timelE61i | tries to use google code from a computer which crawls slower than an n800 |
| 13:53.06 | b-man | lol |
| 13:53.18 | florian | timelE61i: the e71 is a good replacement :-) |
| 13:54.54 | dneary | OK - logged in to maintenance.maemo.org |
| 13:55.06 | dneary | tekojo: That's the URL for the docs importer |
| 13:56.10 | tekojo | dneary: https://maintenance.maemo.org/midcom-exec-fi.hut.htmlimport/import-directory.php |
| 13:56.24 | dneary | Yeah, I'm there |
| 13:56.26 | X-Fade | tekojo: Please.. private messages ;) |
| 13:56.49 | tekojo | dneary: Oops, just gathering my stuff, need to get hom |
| 13:56.59 | dneary | So - I think that this step has been done already |
| 13:57.09 | dneary | That page is for uploading .tars of HTML pages, right? |
| 13:57.20 | tekojo | dneary: both yes |
| 13:57.45 | tekojo | dneary: now it is just moving everything where they belong |
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| 13:58.08 | tekojo | dneary: and probably something huge, which I have overlooked, but X-Fade will know |
| 13:58.16 | tekojo | dneary: need to run |
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| 14:09.38 | timelE61i | andre i filed browser-extension-for-beagle issue 5 |
| 14:12.09 | andre__ | ...but not in bugs.maemo.org . |
| 14:16.53 | timelE61i | yEah, i decided i'd crawl through code.google.com |
| 14:17.10 | timelE61i | I have some nitro bugs to file :) |
| 14:17.21 | timelE61i | You can import those :) |
| 14:17.53 | andre__ | err from where to where? |
| 14:17.59 | timelE61i | tHey fixed a bug i complained about (Ok v OK) by fixing the enGB po file |
| 14:18.08 | GeneralAntilles | I wonder if maemo.nokia.com is ever gonna go live. |
| 14:18.12 | timelE61i | Which doesn't help me since i run enUS |
| 14:18.12 | andre__ | who is "they"? |
| 14:18.25 | timelE61i | They=nokia maemo sdk people |
| 14:18.35 | GeneralAntilles | The evil monsters under your bed. |
| 14:18.35 | timelE61i | From bugs to nokia's bz |
| 14:18.45 | timelE61i | 3floors down actually |
| 14:18.50 | RST38h | General: There is already a consumer site for the tablets, so why not? |
| 14:18.55 | timelE61i | But they're all away for the week |
| 14:19.02 | timelE61i | Rst: tableteer? |
| 14:19.03 | RST38h | Few DNS changes and it is there |
| 14:19.12 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, it seems like they might be waiting on Fremantel. |
| 14:19.18 | GeneralAntilles | s/tel/tle/ |
| 14:19.23 | Stskeeps | Fermantle? :P |
| 14:19.25 | GeneralAntilles | or maybe this is blocking: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Texts_for_maemo.nokia.com |
| 14:19.50 | RST38h | General: Who knows what they are waiting for... May simply have to do with the lack of spare hands |
| 14:21.53 | GeneralAntilles | The "What is Maemo?" section is stupid. |
| 14:22.42 | johnx | ah! that would be the prime example of how to make 'Maemo' more confusing than it actually is |
| 14:23.08 | timelE61i | what is maemo? |
| 14:23.08 | Stskeeps | jesus, why does my builds break so badly today.. |
| 14:23.16 | Stskeeps | timelE61i: beats me |
| 14:23.23 | Stskeeps | what is the Maemo Platform? |
| 14:23.34 | b-man | Stskeeps: problems with 0.8? |
| 14:23.34 | GeneralAntilles | According to the proposed text in the wiki: "Maemo is more than a software development platform. Maemo is an open collaboration between a major corporation and a generous group of volunteer programmers, hackers, designers, and users. While Maemo is a system with Linux at its heart, it is also an organization consisting of both people and code. With and open heart -- and an open mind -- Maemo operates freely and unhindered." |
| 14:23.57 | qwerty12_N800 | ~wikipedia Maemo |
| 14:24.02 | RST38h | General: judging from the texts at wiki, it will end up being a mirror of maemo.org |
| 14:24.12 | Stskeeps | b-man: nah, just bad setup |
| 14:24.23 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, a software platform being a mirror of a website? |
| 14:24.52 | timelE61i | uNhindered? |
| 14:25.04 | Stskeeps | neat, im getsies a 770 |
| 14:25.18 | timelE61i | EmphAsis added by phone... |
| 14:25.30 | b-man | Stskeeps: nice |
| 14:28.03 | GeneralAntilles | "Maemo" is most certainly not an organization. . . . |
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| 14:28.59 | RST38h | General: [carefully, as if talking to a child] By "maemo.org" I meant a website that come up when you type maemo.org into your browser address bar and press enter |
| 14:29.39 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, the sarcasm is a nice touch. |
| 14:30.33 | GeneralAntilles | You clearly meant maemo.nokia.com, while I had moved on to Maemo. |
| 14:31.22 | GeneralAntilles | Anyway, what's there on the wiki was mostly contributed by Tim and Quim. |
| 14:31.40 | GeneralAntilles | So it doesn't necessarily have a lot to do with what the real website will look like. |
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| 14:35.23 | Stskeeps | curses loudly and restarts imaging process |
| 14:35.49 | johnx | what happened? |
| 14:36.23 | Stskeeps | NFS stale handle i think, and it thought the 0.8 directory was somewhere else |
| 14:36.38 | johnx | sad |
| 14:36.43 | johnx | never was a fan of NFS |
| 14:36.56 | qwerty12_N800 | How far had you gotten up to? |
| 14:37.34 | Stskeeps | johnx: shipping without HAL detection of RX-44 keyboard, but it can be enabled with a simple setxkbmap command |
| 14:37.44 | Stskeeps | and also, there is something i found.. |
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| 14:38.50 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: can you mer-ize https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/?root=maemo-xkb-plugi at some point? |
| 14:38.55 | timelE61i | johnx: smb+zfs :) |
| 14:39.05 | Stskeeps | johnx: well in this case it is NFS from within a qemu so |
| 14:39.15 | johnx | timelE61i, sshfs wins |
| 14:39.24 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: it is a XKB keyboard changer with a CPA |
| 14:39.34 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: sure |
| 14:39.44 | dneary | Hi all |
| 14:39.51 | qwerty12_N800 | hi |
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| 14:40.27 | timelE61i | Johnx: support on w32 ? |
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| 14:40.38 | johnx | timelE61i, unimportant |
| 14:41.15 | Stskeeps | uses smb+zfs |
| 14:41.31 | Stskeeps | (at home) |
| 14:41.33 | johnx | win32 can act as the 'server' for sshfs |
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| 14:41.47 | qwerty12_N800 | there's a free equivalent of sshfs for w32 somewhere (as pointed out to me by glass) |
| 14:41.51 | timeless | tries to figure out how to update swift(2) |
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| 14:42.06 | johnx | any scp or sftp client wouldn't be bad |
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| 14:42.56 | Stskeeps | johnx: on x86 it dies in FBW btw, with only 64mb ram |
| 14:43.03 | Stskeeps | no idea why though |
| 14:43.05 | johnx | really? |
| 14:43.08 | johnx | madness |
| 14:43.10 | Stskeeps | yes |
| 14:43.42 | Stskeeps | i tested in vmware |
| 14:43.45 | johnx | dies with OOM or something else? |
| 14:43.48 | Stskeeps | not sure |
| 14:43.50 | johnx | ah |
| 14:44.09 | timelE61i | fbw? |
| 14:44.15 | johnx | first-boot-wizard |
| 14:45.35 | Stskeeps | in style with HIM, HIME, HIMF and HDE, etc :P |
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| 14:46.00 | Stskeeps | i wonder if there is any of the maemo- apps that shorts to MILF.. |
| 14:46.45 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, if not, it's time to make one. ;) |
| 14:47.32 | johnx | maemo idyllic lifelike furries |
| 14:47.32 | GeneralAntilles | Maemo-I*-L*-Framework |
| 14:47.32 | johnx | I = internet |
| 14:47.32 | johnx | no choice there |
| 14:47.32 | GeneralAntilles | Location? |
| 14:47.32 | Stskeeps | maemo internet layout framework |
| 14:48.11 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe we should rename AGPS. ;) |
| 14:48.48 | dneary | Instant |
| 14:48.54 | dneary | ID |
| 14:48.55 | johnx | maybe L = liken |
| 14:49.00 | johnx | or lichen |
| 14:49.10 | dneary | IM |
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| 14:51.35 | GeneralAntilles | Internet Lichen sound horrifying |
| 14:51.57 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe we should have those grow on the desktop if you don't care for your tablet enough. |
| 14:52.19 | RST38h | it already grows all over facebook |
| 14:53.13 | timelE61i | so... |
| 14:53.30 | timelE61i | If i only use wifi basestations to find out where i am |
| 14:53.42 | Stskeeps | mm? |
| 14:53.51 | timelE61i | (i.e. I have an n800 w/o bt-gps, plus mer) |
| 14:54.01 | timelE61i | Is that still AGPS? |
| 14:54.17 | Stskeeps | hehe, good question |
| 14:54.29 | Stskeeps | isnt AGPS just the almanac stuff? |
| 14:54.44 | timelE61i | shrugs |
| 14:54.48 | GeneralAntilles | No, that's not AGPS |
| 14:54.51 | timelE61i | pretend i know nothing about gps |
| 14:55.05 | johnx | the A is there. but not the 'GPS' :) |
| 14:55.13 | aquatix | hm, that E55 phone sure looks pretty |
| 14:55.14 | timelE61i | Pretend that a "location" library wants to satisfy my usecase |
| 14:55.47 | GeneralAntilles | Skyhook is the sort of thing that does that. |
| 14:55.56 | GeneralAntilles | aquatix, yeah, it looks quite nice. |
| 14:56.02 | GeneralAntilles | I want a small, thin phone. |
| 14:56.03 | timelE61i | oH, i'm sure it's possible |
| 14:56.12 | GeneralAntilles | Unfortunately the NAM version probably wont ship until 2010. :roll: |
| 14:56.30 | GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, I don't know if there's a proper "name" for that sort of location service, though. |
| 14:56.32 | timelE61i | Nam? |
| 14:56.41 | qwerty12_N800 | North American |
| 14:56.43 | GeneralAntilles | North American |
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| 14:57.00 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe WPS (WiFi Positioning System) |
| 14:57.51 | timelE61i | what if my n800 is usb tethered w/ wifi off? :) |
| 14:58.06 | johnx | it's just "location service" |
| 14:58.17 | timelE61i | Heck, what if my mer is running my laptop w/ ethernet |
| 14:58.20 | johnx | there are a couple abstract libraries for this sort of thing (or so I thought) |
| 14:58.26 | timelE61i | (it is, does, etc.) |
| 14:58.32 | timelE61i | There are |
| 14:58.49 | timelE61i | Anyway, i'd assert that the name should handle these scenarios |
| 14:59.12 | johnx | what name? |
| 15:00.35 | timelE61i | this maemo i l f |
| 15:00.44 | johnx | ah |
| 15:00.50 | timelE61i | which has an NSFW abbr |
| 15:00.51 | johnx | geoclue is the library |
| 15:00.56 | timelE61i | So please XXX me |
| 15:01.01 | timelE61i | Err fix |
| 15:01.12 | johnx | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/01/location-awareness-comes-to-the-linux-platform.ars |
| 15:01.30 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia is pushing their own competitor to GeoClue, apparently. |
| 15:01.38 | johnx | sighs |
| 15:01.45 | timelE61i | probably neoclue :) |
| 15:01.58 | johnx | I hope they have absolutely bulletproof reasoning why geoclue can't work for them |
| 15:02.06 | GeneralAntilles | Does anybody think the 2nd paragraph here is mostly Apple-spam? |
| 15:02.07 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_5800_XpressMusic#History |
| 15:02.12 | timelE61i | nokia exactly obfuscated clue |
| 15:02.17 | RST38h | johnx: they don't |
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| 15:02.37 | timelE61i | Nih? :) |
| 15:02.51 | RST38h | General: Doesn't wiki allow to find who exactly added it? |
| 15:02.56 | GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2037 |
| 15:02.56 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, eh. doesn't seem to be really |
| 15:03.24 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, I'm not sure why it took the iPhone to demonstrate that Nokia didn't have a touchscreen phone. |
| 15:04.00 | GeneralAntilles | I'd also say the bit about S90 misses Maemo. |
| 15:04.04 | johnx | it was the big event that year in smartphones, like it or not |
| 15:04.21 | dneary | Hi |
| 15:04.23 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, I don't disagree, I'm just not sure any of that is really encyclopedic. |
| 15:04.25 | RST38h | Maemo never ran on a phone |
| 15:04.27 | johnx | hi dneary |
| 15:04.28 | dneary | Two questions: |
| 15:04.29 | RST38h | S90 did |
| 15:04.40 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, but it's a platform, and Nokia owns it. |
| 15:04.45 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, I'm not sure an article on a phone is entirely encyclopedic sooo... |
| 15:05.01 | dneary | 1. In the maemo users database, there are some accounts that don't have a creation date associated, but clearly the people involved are old-timers |
| 15:05.34 | GeneralAntilles | The migration to Garage may have left some weirdness. |
| 15:07.23 | timelE61i | pEople remember s90? |
| 15:07.23 | timelE61i | Why? |
| 15:07.44 | dneary | (eg. gustavotiberio) |
| 15:08.59 | GeneralAntilles | dneary, let's just assume no creation date accounts are older than 3 months. |
| 15:09.14 | X-Fade | probably older than 3 years ;) |
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| 15:13.57 | aquatix | timelE61i: i remember |
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| 15:20.29 | Jaffa | dneary/GeneralAntilles/X-Fade: lardman|afk makes the point very clearly - if there are big problems with karma, that's a bit of a big problem. |
| 15:21.21 | dneary | Jaffa: I agree |
| 15:21.43 | dneary | I don't think that there are big problems with karma, but there are clearly some small ones, to say the least |
| 15:22.21 | dneary | X-Fade: Your account doesn't have any creation date :) |
| 15:22.42 | X-Fade | dneary: All the l337 guys don't have one ;) |
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| 15:24.30 | Jaffa | dneary: indeed, hopefully they're localised and specific. But progress seems... slow. |
| 15:25.17 | GeneralAntilles | maemo-community needs to be indexed. . . . |
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| 15:25.55 | lcuk | offer a karma boost to the developer who implements the best karma calc |
| 15:26.21 | Jaffa | Or fix's Andrea's and Simon's karma calcs |
| 15:26.25 | lcuk | *must include questionairre for girlfriends partners to confirm karma ratings |
| 15:26.41 | lcuk | that as well lol |
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| 15:26.49 | Jaffa | lcuk: different kind o' karma ;-) |
| 15:27.23 | lcuk | i thought there were many facets to karma, i have been working on my gf for years in the hope of improving my maemo.org karma rating |
| 15:27.27 | lcuk | is devistated |
| 15:28.00 | lcuk | devastated as well :$ |
| 15:28.25 | lcuk | is(seplling==crap)karma--; |
| 15:28.38 | johnx | how does your wife feel about you spending so much time with your gf? |
| 15:29.40 | mgedmin | s/is/if/ |
| 15:29.52 | lcuk | i spend equal times with them both :D |
| 15:30.01 | RST38h | johnx: it is the same girl most likely |
| 15:30.02 | lcuk | (and the wife as well) |
| 15:30.19 | mgedmin | both girlfriends and a wife? |
| 15:30.32 | mgedmin | that's three total |
| 15:30.33 | lcuk | yeah, now you know why im so tired all the time |
| 15:31.21 | johnx | lcuk, from telling so many lies? :P |
| 15:31.55 | lcuk | whatever gives you that impression? |
| 15:32.24 | lcuk | will probably die later when tracy reads this :S :'( |
| 15:32.41 | johnx | :) |
| 15:33.02 | Jaffa | Mrs Jaffa's not been on IRC for, oooh, ten years or so. I'm probably safe :) |
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| 15:33.52 | lcuk | tracy keeps nicking one of the nokias here, i tell her she should really have an account, but then i realise she will probably code me under the table |
| 15:34.09 | RST38h | Jaffa: [state-of-factly] this conversation is being logged. |
| 15:34.53 | lcuk | RST38h, mrs jaffa does not know that jaffa is a pseudonym and he wears an orange mask when in irc |
| 15:35.06 | aquatix | Jaffa: your girl has been on irc? |
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| 15:35.33 | Stskeeps | 's has too. |
| 15:35.43 | aquatix | mine hasn't |
| 15:35.48 | Jaffa | aquatix: aye. |
| 15:35.55 | aquatix | she has a xubuntu laptop and is loving it though :) |
| 15:37.00 | Jaffa | and Mrs Jaffa wouldn't have met if she hadn't been on IRC (a friend of mine was checking who else from warwick.ac.uk was on IRC and semi-stalking them, Mrs Jaffa was then initiated into a Warwick talker and that's how we met) |
| 15:37.55 | Stskeeps | was fixing another girls computer and his fiancee asked if i could fix her computer, .. and one thing went to another |
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| 15:39.10 | lcuk | stares blankly at the strange gender mix in that comment |
| 15:39.22 | RST38h | Sts: so she made th initial advance? =) |
| 15:39.53 | Stskeeps | RST38h: yes, but admittedly i had initially tried to talk to her while being slightly drunk and not knowing who she was some month before |
| 15:40.26 | Jaffa | got a (semi-)date through fixing a friend of a friends computer; just before meeting the missus. So, on the whole, I suppose no matter how much I hate computers, I've still got a net +ve. |
| 15:41.39 | lcuk | bbl |
| 15:41.41 | aquatix | has a highschool sweetheart |
| 15:41.53 | aquatix | those exist apparently :) |
| 15:41.55 | Jaffa | And you're a dirty old 30 year old? ;-) |
| 15:42.02 | aquatix | ha |
| 15:42.08 | aquatix | i mean we've been together since |
| 15:42.09 | Stskeeps | is talking to close to zero of highschool mates |
| 15:42.19 | Jaffa | grins |
| 15:42.27 | aquatix | Jaffa: and i'm nearing 30 indeed |
| 15:42.38 | aquatix | Stskeeps: yeah, don't see many of them either |
| 15:42.52 | aquatix | like, one daily and one every so many months |
| 15:42.54 | aquatix | that's about it |
| 15:43.22 | Jaffa | 's next birthday is the last big one for a while: 2^5 :) |
| 15:43.30 | Stskeeps | on the other hand i move 130km away.. |
| 15:43.57 | Macer | god i hate setting up a new fbsd box |
| 15:44.23 | aquatix | i turned 0x1B this year |
| 15:44.35 | aquatix | Macer: apt-get install debian |
| 15:44.38 | aquatix | runs |
| 15:44.44 | Macer | haha |
| 15:44.53 | Macer | i'll probably put debian on the artigo when it shows up |
| 15:45.09 | Macer | i wanted to see how well the artigo works as a desktop linux box |
| 15:45.52 | RST38h | Jaffa: Jesus didn't make it to 34, btw |
| 15:46.03 | RST38h | always has kind words of encouragement |
| 15:46.04 | GeneralAntilles | Sounds like a threat. |
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| 15:46.09 | Veggen | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:46.28 | Veggen | Jaffa: That really separated the geeks from the rest ;) |
| 15:47.54 | aquatix | RST38h: so, you encourage nailing Jaffa? |
| 15:48.23 | aquatix | *crickets* |
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| 15:49.21 | johnx | Stskeeps, gotcha beat :) |
| 15:49.23 | dneary | For info: 3 people had karma > 25 and an account created less than 3 months ago |
| 15:49.33 | dneary | I think I'll mentioon that on the list. |
| 15:49.35 | dneary | Later |
| 15:49.40 | Macer | what is the best way to tar up /home and keep all the perms and .files ? |
| 15:49.51 | Macer | something that i can move over to another box and just extract and be done with it |
| 15:50.16 | johnx | Macer, sudo tar cvf my-home.tar /home |
| 15:50.21 | dneary | Macer: as root: tar -p -s |
| 15:50.24 | johnx | make sure you're not in /home |
| 15:50.31 | Stskeeps | johnx: mm? |
| 15:50.44 | johnx | Stskeeps, I moved a bit farther from my highschool :) |
| 15:50.59 | Macer | and if i were in home wouldn't tar cvf old.home.tar . work also? |
| 15:51.05 | Stskeeps | johnx: hehe, true |
| 15:51.16 | Macer | so i could just copy it to the new /home and extract it from there? |
| 15:51.30 | dneary | Macer: Or use rsync |
| 15:51.46 | johnx | Macer, sure. why did you ask if you knew the answer? :P |
| 15:52.16 | johnx | also married his highschool sweetheart...only took ~9 years... |
| 15:52.27 | aquatix | johnx: ha |
| 15:52.31 | aquatix | johnx: i will take about 11 i think |
| 15:52.43 | aquatix | hm, no, that's already in July :/ |
| 15:54.15 | Stskeeps | has two year day with the fiancee but we are apart physically today sadly. |
| 15:54.29 | Macer | johnx: was just confirming ;) |
| 15:54.47 | johnx | Macer, only thing is that if your version of tar is dumb it might have issues |
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| 15:54.52 | Macer | dneary: because i want to make compressed backups of user home dirs just in case |
| 15:54.59 | johnx | you are tar'ing up the directory you're making the tar in... |
| 15:55.14 | dneary | Macer: rsync can do this |
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| 15:55.23 | johnx | Stskeeps, I know the feeling. been there many times |
| 15:55.34 | jeremiah | To whom does the intebration@maemo.org email address map to? |
| 15:55.35 | dneary | rsync doesn't *have* to be remote |
| 15:55.35 | Macer | dneary: i'll look into rsync once i get the box up and running ;) |
| 15:55.41 | dneary | It can be local |
| 15:55.44 | GeneralAntilles | jeremiah, no idea. |
| 15:55.53 | dneary | In which case it'll work like tar -p -s |
| 15:55.54 | GeneralAntilles | jeremiah, supposedly it's the SDK team. |
| 15:55.59 | jeremiah | Sorry, intergration@maemo.org (not intebration) and not inebriation |
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| 15:56.08 | GeneralAntilles | But I've sent several emails to it with no response. |
| 15:56.14 | jeremiah | The SDK team, okay. |
| 15:56.19 | X-Fade | Let me check who is in the alias ;) |
| 15:56.24 | dneary | jeremiah: Did you have a lot of beer over the weekend or something? |
| 15:56.30 | jeremiah | heh |
| 15:56.33 | dneary | intebration looks like inebriation |
| 15:56.37 | jeremiah | Did someone say beer? |
| 15:56.39 | GeneralAntilles | jeremiah, see: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3923 |
| 15:56.55 | GeneralAntilles | er, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3922 |
| 15:57.21 | Macer | dneary: why would you use local rsync when you can just tar it? |
| 15:57.28 | jeremiah | So intergration@maemo.org disappears into Nokia HQ? |
| 15:57.41 | jeremiah | Can we add a CC to that? |
| 15:57.49 | dneary | Macer: Because rsync can do cool stuff like sync up afterwards with only diffs |
| 15:57.56 | X-Fade | Hmm kaltsi is in that alias too? |
| 15:57.56 | jeremiah | Are we dealing with exim as MTA? Or something more exotic? |
| 15:58.05 | dneary | So you can do your back-up as a daily cron job, for example |
| 15:58.06 | johnx | Macer, faster, easier access to files |
| 15:58.15 | dneary | And it handles permissions more easily |
| 15:58.27 | jeremiah | plus you can do rsync over ssh! |
| 15:58.30 | jeremiah | FTW |
| 15:58.30 | Macer | dneary: ah. i see. well.. i will start setting that up once i get a chance to do so |
| 15:58.35 | GeneralAntilles | Did we ever get the alarmd sources? |
| 15:58.37 | Macer | jeremiah: that just sold me haha |
| 15:58.38 | mgedmin | wonders if people intentionally spell inteRgration with that extra R |
| 15:58.50 | jeremiah | :) |
| 15:59.01 | Macer | but right now i have to migrate a home dir over from the fileserver to a VM |
| 15:59.05 | jeremiah | mgedmin: Nice catch. |
| 15:59.05 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: they lost them, but i have seen them in SDKs.. |
| 15:59.10 | Macer | i'm trying to isolate the fileserver as much as i can |
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| 15:59.58 | Macer | i had my shell box home dir on it.. so i'm trying to not do that anymore... people who use shells don't need 5TB of home space haha |
| 16:00.11 | jeremiah | Does anything happen when you change the urgency of a package? |
| 16:00.16 | jeremiah | Obviously it does in debian, |
| 16:00.26 | jeremiah | but does the maemo build server notice and react? |
| 16:01.28 | jeremiah | Hmm, this scares me: Changed the license from GPL to Nokia modified MIT |
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| 16:01.42 | jeremiah | One cannot change the license. :-/ |
| 16:02.09 | jeremiah | (This is from the changelog in maemopad) |
| 16:02.14 | dphil314 | not by altering the install script? |
| 16:02.43 | jeremiah | If software is licensed under the GPL, you cannot change it. Nor can you change the license of derived works. |
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| 16:02.49 | Jaffa | jeremiah: The (c) owner can, surely? |
| 16:03.07 | jeremiah | Jaffa: If they are the copyright owner, yes. |
| 16:03.43 | jeremiah | Copyright owners can do as they please. |
| 16:03.59 | RST38h | jeremiah: you can change the license on thenext version |
| 16:04.18 | jeremiah | RST38h: Not on derived works. |
| 16:04.33 | jeremiah | You cannot bump the version of libc and just change the license. |
| 16:04.36 | RST38h | jeremiah: correct |
| 16:04.48 | Macer | wonder how well tar by itself compresses nowadays |
| 16:04.55 | johnx | Macer, not at all |
| 16:04.56 | RST38h | but maemopad is not derived from anything, is it? |
| 16:04.57 | qwerty12 | Macer, tar doesn't compress |
| 16:04.57 | jeremiah | You cannot link to a GPL'd .so file without using the GPL |
| 16:05.03 | Macer | wow really? |
| 16:05.06 | Macer | i always thought it did :) |
| 16:05.12 | qwerty12 | yep, it's why it's used with bzip2 or gzip |
| 16:05.13 | RST38h | jeremiah: libc is LGPLed afaik |
| 16:05.16 | johnx | Macer, it's a feature, not a bug |
| 16:05.17 | Macer | i honestly didn't know that |
| 16:05.23 | RST38h | jeremiah: You are mistaking LGPL for GPL |
| 16:05.25 | johnx | tar = tape archive |
| 16:05.40 | johnx | it's just for putting things in a nice order and giving them a minimal header |
| 16:05.40 | jeremiah | RST38h: No, don't think so. |
| 16:06.00 | Macer | i see :) |
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| 16:06.13 | Macer | honestly all these years i thought it did some sort of compression |
| 16:06.27 | RST38h | jeremiah: http://www.gnu.org/software/libtool/manual/libc/Copying.html#Copying |
| 16:06.30 | jeremiah | Macer: tar just stands for Tape ARchive |
| 16:06.33 | RST38h | jeremiah: questions? |
| 16:06.37 | Macer | never really used it much |
| 16:07.07 | Macer | i get to find out in a minute of esxi can use an external usb hd |
| 16:07.09 | dphil314 | tar.gz compresses |
| 16:07.10 | Macer | this should be fun |
| 16:07.20 | dphil314 | a tar within a gzip |
| 16:08.07 | timelE61i | sO, it just occurred to me that naming two boxes "swift" and sitting them next to eachother isn't a good idea |
| 16:08.21 | jeremiah | RST38h: I think you are confused. I specifically said that you cannot change the GPL. |
| 16:08.58 | Macer | after tweaking my esxi box a bit it is running great |
| 16:09.09 | Macer | i guess you are supposed to actually admin such things haha |
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| 16:11.16 | jeremiah | RST38h: Furthermore, you are referring to an outdated version of the LGPL, please read: http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/lesser.html |
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| 16:12.09 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, for mer, can I put waitdbus from osso-af-tools in its own package, like you have done for fb-progress? |
| 16:12.34 | timelE61i | jeremiah: how goes it? |
| 16:12.41 | timelE61i | And have you met mxr.maemo.org? |
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| 16:13.19 | timelE61i | is trying to get swift2 staged enough to try getting fremantle xref'd |
| 16:13.34 | jeremiah | timelE61i: Heh, it goes well |
| 16:13.52 | jeremiah | I have not met mxr.maemo.org, but I might surf over there now. |
| 16:16.09 | timelE61i | for public things it can help chasing down debian/control bits and their origins |
| 16:16.09 | RST38h | jeremiah: I am referring to the glibc library that maemopad dynamically links to |
| 16:16.32 | timelE61i | rst: glibc has some screwy exclusion |
| 16:16.38 | RST38h | jeremiah: glibc is licensed under lgpl and and main difference of lgpl vs gpl is that lgpl allows dynamic linking of non-gpled code |
| 16:17.12 | jeremiah | RST38h: Which LGPL license does it in fact ship with? Which specific version? |
| 16:18.31 | RST38h | jeremiah: I guess different glibcs ship with different versions of lgpl |
| 16:18.43 | RST38h | but they should ALL allow linking of proprietary code |
| 16:18.49 | jeremiah | RST38h: Yeah, and the updated LGPL is the same as GPL v3 |
| 16:19.35 | jeremiah | GPL v3 is much more specific about what you can link to. |
| 16:21.53 | RST38h | jeremiah: go to your own url and read 4.d.1 |
| 16:22.23 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: go ahead |
| 16:22.26 | RST38h | as opposed to 4.d.0 of course |
| 16:22.45 | RST38h | So, even if it is v3, it is still an LGPL license all right |
| 16:22.49 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, ta |
| 16:22.55 | jeremiah | RST38h: Will do - I am not a layer though. |
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| 16:24.26 | jeremiah | RST38h: The problem is this line in the begining; |
| 16:24.29 | Macer | a LGPL.. "an" comes before words with vowels |
| 16:24.36 | jeremiah | This license is a set of additional permissions added to version 3 of the GNU General Public License." |
| 16:24.39 | Macer | :) |
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| 16:25.02 | jeremiah | So the modern LGPL is an "additional set of permissions" |
| 16:25.06 | RST38h | Macer: [yawn] try to spell L G P L |
| 16:25.15 | Macer | haha |
| 16:25.21 | RST38h | jeremiah: see permission 4.d.0 |
| 16:25.30 | jeremiah | But, like I said, I am not a laweer |
| 16:25.39 | jeremiah | Or a layer. |
| 16:25.41 | RST38h | Any more pedants in the room? =) |
| 16:25.44 | jeremiah | Or a loafer |
| 16:26.01 | jeremiah | Pendants? |
| 16:26.18 | Macer | acronyms are based on the pronounciation of the words |
| 16:26.28 | Macer | not on the spelling of the acronym |
| 16:27.09 | jeremiah | RST38h: So you are saying this is a "combined" work? |
| 16:27.36 | GeneralAntilles | Obviously the only answer is to sue Nokia and see what they say. . . . |
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| 16:27.49 | Macer | GeneralAntilles: hahaha |
| 16:27.54 | jeremiah | GeneralAntilles: It gets a bit tricky. |
| 16:27.57 | Macer | i agree |
| 16:28.07 | jeremiah | They might not sue Nokia, but they might try to sue Maemo |
| 16:28.15 | Macer | jeremiah: which is why nokia has $50,000,000 set aside each year for lawyers |
| 16:28.15 | RST38h | jeremiah: see item 0 |
| 16:28.22 | RST38h | jeremiah: it defines what a combined work is |
| 16:28.29 | GeneralAntilles | jeremiah, Maemo is Nokia. |
| 16:29.03 | RST38h | Frankly, I do not see what is the point in insisting that GLIBC is a full GPL lib |
| 16:29.10 | jeremiah | Well, there are clearly some questions here - you cannot change licenses. |
| 16:29.27 | RST38h | Ok, let us say GLIBC is a full GPL lib. This effectively means that no commercial developer will EVER develop for Linux |
| 16:29.28 | GeneralAntilles | Unless you're the copyright owner, and isn't Nokia the copyright owner? |
| 16:29.43 | Jaffa | jeremiah: If Nokia is the sole copyright owner of Maemopad (and I believe they are), they can - as you say |
| 16:29.59 | jeremiah | Jaffa: Yes, but it relies on lots of other software |
| 16:30.04 | jeremiah | That they do not have the licenses for |
| 16:30.18 | Stskeeps | dear god, a gpl discussion? :P |
| 16:30.20 | jeremiah | So it is a "derived work" |
| 16:30.22 | RST38h | You do not want commercial developers produce anything for Linux? |
| 16:30.24 | Stskeeps | gets out the popcorn |
| 16:30.37 | Macer | Stskeeps: i think it's more of an argument than a discussion |
| 16:30.38 | Jaffa | jeremiah: but the source of Maemopad can be under any licence they like, as long as it's compatible with the licences of that which it's derived/merged/bundled/whatever |
| 16:30.46 | Stskeeps | Macer: gpl discussions are always arguments.. |
| 16:30.46 | johnx | Stskeeps, heh. yup. make sure you have plenty. this could be an epic. maybe even a 3-parter with intermissions |
| 16:30.52 | RST38h | Sts: our good friend jeremiah here (not a layer) insists that anyone linking against GLIBC is bound by the full GPL |
| 16:30.54 | jeremiah | RST38h: Obviously I most certainly do want that. This is why I think the license should remain GPL and not be switched. |
| 16:30.54 | Macer | hahaha |
| 16:30.56 | GeneralAntilles | begins throwing the unpopped kernels at the bottom of the bag at Stskeeps. |
| 16:31.02 | johnx | RST38h, are you a lawyer? |
| 16:31.14 | Macer | uh oh |
| 16:31.17 | RST38h | johnx: No, but I am an asshole. Isn't it sufficient? |
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| 16:31.28 | Stskeeps | RST38h: except glibc is lgpl, which is a bit different.. |
| 16:31.38 | Stskeeps | also the system libraries exception yadda yadda |
| 16:31.40 | jeremiah | RST38h: Please do not put words in my mouth. That is not what I said. |
| 16:31.41 | Macer | Stskeeps: don't feed them! |
| 16:31.43 | RST38h | Sts: see discussion above |
| 16:32.09 | jeremiah | I hate this kind of discussion too, unfortunately you have to have it. |
| 16:32.17 | RST38h | We don't. |
| 16:32.18 | jeremiah | I will take this offline now. |
| 16:32.20 | johnx | RST38h, lawyers are assholes with years of training. same relationship between masochists and professional skateboarders |
| 16:32.21 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, you get to watch Seinfeld over there? |
| 16:32.37 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: yes, but not these days |
| 16:32.38 | RST38h | johnx: you don't need training to read a license |
| 16:32.43 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Yada_Yada |
| 16:32.56 | Macer | seinfeld? |
| 16:32.56 | johnx | RST38h, and you don't need training to stand on a skateboard |
| 16:33.14 | RST38h | johnx: obviously |
| 16:33.17 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i dunno if it is from seinfeld.. it just entered my vocabulary at some point |
| 16:33.17 | Macer | was a good show i suppose.. never got into it much tho |
| 16:33.33 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, it's not, but the Seinfeld reference is quite funny. |
| 16:33.35 | Macer | haha.. the yadda yadda one? :) |
| 16:33.37 | GeneralAntilles | Macer, that's sad. |
| 16:33.42 | johnx | RST38h, but standing on a skateboard does not make you a good skateboarder and reading a license does not mean you understand it |
| 16:33.48 | Macer | where he dates the girl and keeps saying it |
| 16:34.00 | Macer | that was a pretty funny one |
| 16:34.05 | GeneralAntilles | Anti-Dentite |
| 16:34.28 | Pradeeptk | Hi guys, Is GtkStatusIcon working as expected on Maemo5, if not is there are work around |
| 16:34.51 | RST38h | johnx: well, I hope we are not having a competition in understanding licenses :) |
| 16:35.07 | Macer | i think you're both wrong |
| 16:35.10 | Macer | but that's just me |
| 16:35.16 | johnx | RST38h, that's what a 'discussion' (read: argument) about licenses *is* |
| 16:35.26 | Macer | realistically the gpl and lgpl don't work |
| 16:36.07 | Macer | anybody who writes something can always just say that there is proprietary code and just release the opened code and keep the rest |
| 16:36.12 | RST38h | johnx: it is kinda old argument, especially considering that lgpl allowing dynamic linking of proprietary code is a long known fact |
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| 16:36.41 | Stskeeps | RST38h: i had several years of discussions if loaded .sos are "linking" |
| 16:36.46 | Stskeeps | when the .sos are extensions |
| 16:36.53 | RST38h | johnx: I mean, we can reenforce it by rereading the license, but it is pointless |
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| 16:37.01 | RST38h | Sts: Yes. That is dynamic linking. |
| 16:37.03 | Stskeeps | after that i went for the bsd license on most of my stuff :P |
| 16:37.04 | johnx | RST38h, from a 3rd person perspective I think you and jeremiah were probably just having issues defining your terms and seeing eye to eye...which seems to be the end result of most amateurs discussing licenses |
| 16:37.26 | Macer | RST38h: then start taking companies to court because they didn't release the code which contained one line that was in some source that was under the gpl and not the lgpl? :) |
| 16:37.31 | RST38h | johnx: Terms are defined in item #0 of LGPL |
| 16:37.49 | Macer | it's too much of a hassle. like a parking ticket. |
| 16:37.52 | RST38h | Macer: Yes, you can |
| 16:38.02 | Macer | RST38h: i am sure you can.. but is it worth it? |
| 16:38.10 | RST38h | Mcer: But it has nothing to do with LGPL issue |
| 16:38.16 | Macer | then the company will just say "ok. fuck you all then.. we will not use open software anymore." |
| 16:38.20 | Macer | the end. |
| 16:38.43 | johnx | Macer, the reality is a lot more grey |
| 16:38.58 | Macer | realistically the only people who would care would be open developers and tweakers |
| 16:39.10 | Macer | the end users could care less about what kind of software is being used on something they like |
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| 16:39.28 | Macer | so you just lost .0001% of your base.. i think the company will survive :) |
| 16:40.34 | johnx | companies use open source because somehow they think it will 1) save them money or 2) make them money |
| 16:40.53 | Macer | i know. look at MS .. they're dying over there with all that closed source stuff |
| 16:41.39 | Stskeeps | hands out more popcorn |
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| 16:41.51 | Macer | Stskeeps: =) wow.. it's easy to get sucked in isn't it? |
| 16:41.51 | johnx | could really go for some |
| 16:42.05 | Stskeeps | bacon flavoured chips are nice too. |
| 16:42.07 | Macer | i'm going to make a pizza |
| 16:42.08 | Macer | haha |
| 16:42.17 | johnx | makes a tuna sammich |
| 16:42.33 | johnx | Macer, I concede the point. let's all start using MS products and let Linux die a slow death |
| 16:42.44 | Macer | johnx: it's the opposite ;) |
| 16:42.58 | Macer | we all use ms products and are allowing linux to live a slow life |
| 16:43.46 | Macer | i'm just taking it from the perspective of business... if it becomes too much of a hassle.. and you have joe coder trying to sue you just because you wanted to keep something to yourselves for one reason or another... |
| 16:44.04 | Macer | then you just close shop and tell joe coder to go fuck himself .. make his own shit |
| 16:44.32 | Macer | because like i said.. you will not lose much of your base... joe coder and extreme tweaker are a very small portion of your market |
| 16:44.43 | Macer | the rest are just the cattle |
| 16:44.43 | GeneralAntilles | Open source seems to be making major gains in commercial software. |
| 16:44.47 | johnx | right, but the reality is that a company with that little commitment to open source will find one or another annoyance that stops them sooner or later |
| 16:44.50 | dphil314 | most people in my IT dept don't know linux, they're all mcse |
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| 16:45.19 | dphil314 | but they also get infested with viruses |
| 16:45.27 | Macer | johnx: how much actual commercial open source stuff is out there that wasn't there already? |
| 16:45.40 | johnx | dphil314, your IT people are infested with viruses? how's the health plan? |
| 16:45.55 | dphil314 | i dunno, i'm a contractor |
| 16:45.55 | Macer | when you look at maemo.. it really is just the same old 10 yr old stuff :) |
| 16:45.56 | johnx | Macer, what does that even mean? |
| 16:46.23 | Stskeeps | dphil314: i had an argument with my brother that a CS degree was slightly more advanced than a mcse.. |
| 16:46.55 | Macer | older maybe |
| 16:47.14 | Macer | anyways.. i'm hungry... talk to you guys later |
| 16:47.26 | dphil314 | just cooked pancakes |
| 16:53.13 | dphil314 | i'm able to run gtk programs in Xephyr outside the AF, but ab-sb-init.sh returns a bunch of errors: http://pastebin.ca/1339076 |
| 16:53.23 | Stskeeps | maemo5 pre-alpha2? |
| 16:53.29 | Stskeeps | or diablo |
| 16:53.30 | dphil314 | 4.1 |
| 16:53.33 | dphil314 | diablo |
| 16:53.44 | dphil314 | ubuntu intrepid |
| 16:55.09 | dphil314 | maybe it's the virtualbox vm i'm running ubuntu in |
| 16:56.05 | Stskeeps | dphil314: those look fairly normal |
| 16:56.10 | Stskeeps | it is warnings, not errors.. |
| 16:56.24 | dphil314 | yes, the AF gui starts |
| 16:57.23 | dphil314 | but SB doesn't return to the command prompt for me to execute the program ... maybe if i put in background |
| 16:57.27 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 16:57.59 | qwerty12 | just press enter and you get a shell, albeit with af printing its crap |
| 16:58.24 | dphil314 | oh wait, it finally returned to the prompt |
| 16:59.16 | dphil314 | and the gtk prog runs in the AF |
| 16:59.43 | dphil314 | "woah ... i know kung fu" |
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| 17:03.40 | GeneralAntilles | lol . . . itT |
| 17:04.46 | johnx | the mwc thread? |
| 17:04.55 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, among other things. |
| 17:05.01 | dneary | (Just wondering: I see Lardman at 369 karma points |
| 17:05.07 | dneary | Is that less than he should have? |
| 17:05.14 | dneary | Jaffa: Any ideas? |
| 17:05.35 | wazd | I think my current Mer UI mockup sucks |
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| 17:05.46 | Stskeeps | got a new better one? ;) |
| 17:05.48 | GeneralAntilles | You, we know you suck wazd. :P |
| 17:05.56 | dphil314 | i a user collects false karma, will he pay for it in the next life? |
| 17:06.04 | thopiekar1 | hey |
| 17:06.08 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: shut your mouth, fatass © xD |
| 17:06.34 | wazd | Stskeeps: no, but I have some ideas |
| 17:06.41 | Stskeeps | alright |
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| 17:06.54 | wazd | Stskeeps: work on 480 adaptation told me that it sucks ) |
| 17:07.01 | dphil314 | hello kitty? |
| 17:07.04 | Stskeeps | wazd: hehe |
| 17:07.11 | Stskeeps | wazd: we do not have to have same layout on every display |
| 17:07.40 | Stskeeps | for good measure :P |
| 17:07.51 | johnx | same layout on every display! |
| 17:08.43 | wazd | I'll try to make unified layout |
| 17:08.55 | wazd | it will rock I tell ya |
| 17:09.07 | johnx | I was actually kidding... :P |
| 17:09.09 | Stskeeps | johnx: so, 0.9, what should we focus on? |
| 17:09.26 | wazd | johnx: And I'm not >:D |
| 17:09.28 | Stskeeps | i would like some better kb layout support, the moblin patches and some of their applets maybe |
| 17:09.45 | Stskeeps | fixing the jffs images (i just saw the pinning upgrade in action) |
| 17:10.00 | johnx | I'm not sure how far I'll get but I'd like to make a concerted push towards adopting Ubuntu's hildon-desktop patches |
| 17:10.11 | Stskeeps | yeah. they are those im talking about |
| 17:10.23 | Stskeeps | how is zaurus going, still tslib issues? |
| 17:10.51 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, make it not suck, duh. |
| 17:10.56 | johnx | yeah. it works great (as well as can be expected in 64MB of RAM) with the Xfbdev binary from Angstrom |
| 17:11.14 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: you should try 0.8 .. it is quite nice :P |
| 17:11.17 | johnx | I *know* it will turn out to be some dumb mistake on my part |
| 17:11.18 | Macer | holy shit the damn south park after the election is so damn funny |
| 17:11.36 | Macer | sarah palin is like a british thief :) |
| 17:12.34 | Stskeeps | i will give a cookie to whoever tells me how to redirect vagalume output to esd, over ip. :P |
| 17:12.58 | Stskeeps | johnx: saw that nikolajhendel is mailing me a 770 for mer devel? |
| 17:13.14 | johnx | yup. sounds good :) |
| 17:13.31 | Stskeeps | yeah, now maybe i can see how much of a sardine can it is, for mer :P |
| 17:13.33 | johnx | and AFB is getting one too from someone else |
| 17:14.09 | johnx | and I keep looking at those teklogix psion netbooks ... |
| 17:14.17 | Stskeeps | think i'm giving it to the fiancee once it runs mer, for live user testing.. |
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| 17:14.41 | johnx | web surfing in 64MB of RAM is not so awesome :/ |
| 17:14.43 | Stskeeps | (yes, i am a horrible horrible person) |
| 17:14.59 | Stskeeps | no, but on the other hand if it can rdesktop to a windows vm.. |
| 17:16.18 | Stskeeps | how is the 770 size-wise compared to the n800 anyway |
| 17:16.54 | johnx | bigger when it's in that case/jacket thing IIRC |
| 17:17.35 | Stskeeps | mm |
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| 17:21.22 | johnx | dpatch looks kind of awesome |
| 17:21.35 | qwerty12 | prefers quilt |
| 17:21.52 | johnx | does quilt have something similar to dpatch-edit-patch? |
| 17:21.52 | qwerty12 | dpatch in sbox messed me around badly, dunno if it's because my permissions in /tmp may be odd |
| 17:22.35 | pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIoP7V6U-aQ New 3D demos running on the Pandora |
| 17:22.47 | qwerty12 | With quilt, it's "quilt new <nameofpatch>; quilt add <name of file to be patched>; quilt refresh" |
| 17:23.32 | Stskeeps | pupnik: which is probably just a beagleboard inside.. :P |
| 17:23.43 | johnx | Stskeeps, :P |
| 17:23.46 | pupnik | oops |
| 17:24.03 | pupnik | http://www.openpandora.de/blog.php |
| 17:24.05 | johnx | pupnik, yup. I was talking to DJW when he was about to make those |
| 17:24.11 | pupnik | cool |
| 17:24.17 | Stskeeps | then again, if it -was- just a beagleboard inside and a lcd and keypads, and a casing, and battery |
| 17:24.20 | Stskeeps | i would buy it. |
| 17:24.42 | pupnik | i hope they dont dither about kbd layout |
| 17:24.48 | pupnik | shipping march maybe? |
| 17:24.52 | johnx | sigh |
| 17:24.55 | johnx | maybe |
| 17:25.32 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 17:25.33 | johnx | getting closer to the RX51 now...but I have this funny feeling the RX51 will be a little more expensive than an N810WE... |
| 17:25.36 | GeneralAntilles | Shipping never |
| 17:25.53 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, sooo...bets on the RX51 price? |
| 17:25.59 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, discount code. |
| 17:26.05 | GeneralAntilles | ~$500 +/- $50 |
| 17:26.20 | Stskeeps | how much are the discounts usually anyway? |
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| 17:26.30 | pupnik | we better get hw accel video encoding from HD camera |
| 17:26.33 | Stskeeps | not that i expect i would get one, due to my radical views and thundering talks.. |
| 17:26.52 | pupnik | nokia needs to deliver a wallop on the features front to drive sales during recession |
| 17:27.04 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, funny cause the N96 goes for more with lesser hardware ... |
| 17:27.15 | Stskeeps | yeah, but n96 is a phone |
| 17:27.22 | johnx | :) |
| 17:28.09 | johnx | hey rm_you_ |
| 17:28.15 | GeneralAntilles | Exactly as Stskeeps says. |
| 17:28.24 | GeneralAntilles | The N97 is easily gonna run $700 |
| 17:28.27 | GeneralAntilles | With lesser hardware |
| 17:28.29 | GeneralAntilles | But it's a phone. |
| 17:28.55 | GeneralAntilles | Hell, the N96 is arguably lesser hardware than the N810. |
| 17:28.59 | Corsac | erf, n85 is not yet really available that they release an n86 |
| 17:29.42 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, if it runs much less than $600 I'll be surprised |
| 17:30.10 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, about %60 |
| 17:30.11 | Jaffa | This quilt discussion reminds me that I have to look at migrating mud to quilt for patch mgmt |
| 17:30.19 | GeneralAntilles | Both Stskeeps and johnx are assured discount codes. :P |
| 17:30.33 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, I can't imagine them pricing it much over $600 |
| 17:30.38 | GeneralAntilles | They'll be right out of the market. |
| 17:30.41 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: then again, it is not healthy for the mer project we push our n800s away from daily usage ;) |
| 17:30.56 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, unless it's intended to fit in with the rest of the N-Series line finally |
| 17:31.46 | Macer | the n96 was a step backwards |
| 17:31.51 | Macer | hugs his n95 |
| 17:32.16 | Macer | wonder why they got rid of the 3d accel in the n96 |
| 17:32.23 | GeneralAntilles | Dual ARM9s |
| 17:32.32 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: give your discount RX-51s away and use your N800s for mer all the time |
| 17:32.48 | johnx | eh |
| 17:32.55 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: hehe |
| 17:33.09 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: or do the sane thing.. make your gf a Mer user and use it as cheap testing |
| 17:33.10 | johnx | time will tell on prices I guess...but they bump the price quite a bit every time... |
| 17:33.10 | Macer | n810we would be awesome if wimax actually existed anywhere but baltimore |
| 17:33.45 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, $379, $400, $469 |
| 17:33.49 | GeneralAntilles | More than $100? |
| 17:34.43 | GeneralAntilles | Still, what you _you_ care? Discount code. . . . |
| 17:34.45 | GeneralAntilles | :P |
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| 17:36.11 | johnx | here's why I care: if the N900 attracted *only* people of the consumer variety and none or very few of the linux hacker/dev variety thins will not be awesome from a 3rd party software perspective |
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| 17:37.55 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, they don't attract that many people initially anyway |
| 17:38.06 | GeneralAntilles | Then we get major price drops and people come pouring in. |
| 17:38.10 | GeneralAntilles | Nothing new or different |
| 17:38.12 | Stskeeps | i have had normal people wanting a tablet, which scared me |
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| 17:38.27 | GeneralAntilles | Besides, Nokia knows what they're about and they know an exorbitant price wont work. |
| 17:38.30 | Stskeeps | cos they dont want to take their laptop to bed or take out the laptp for relaxing purposes |
| 17:39.11 | Macer | the west wing where they shut down the government because of the budget is a riot |
| 17:39.47 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, I worry about other parts of Nokia pushing the Maemo guys to 'monetize' the tablets...anyways, this is neither here nor there. hopefully by the time the RX51 is out Maemo/Hildon won't be a one vendor distro/platform anymore |
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| 17:40.22 | GeneralAntilles | I think it's likely they're already running plenty of profits for the tablets, personally. |
| 17:40.47 | flavioribeiro | hey guys, what do you think about buy a n800 tablet? is it too old? the apps written to n810 runs in n800 devices? |
| 17:41.20 | johnx | flavioribeiro, I love my n800 and yes, the N810 and N800 run exactly the same software |
| 17:41.42 | johnx | basically it depends entirely on what you're doing with it whether it's worth it to wait for something new or buy right now |
| 17:42.10 | GeneralAntilles | sighs. |
| 17:42.16 | GeneralAntilles | More 404s in maemo.org/development |
| 17:42.19 | GeneralAntilles | Whoop-de-dooo! |
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| 17:44.23 | johnx | flavioribeiro, so what are you planning to do with it? |
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| 18:00.12 | mgedmin | flavioribeiro: I have to say I like my n810 better than I liked my n800 |
| 18:00.21 | mgedmin | even though I was initially convinced it would be the other way around |
| 18:00.29 | mgedmin | aesthetically, the n810 is prettier |
| 18:00.35 | mgedmin | and the hw keyboard is useful |
| 18:00.44 | mgedmin | functionality-wise, they're about the same |
| 18:00.52 | mgedmin | one has gps, the other has fm radio and full-size sd slots |
| 18:01.03 | mgedmin | one is cheaper |
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| 18:01.35 | johnx | from my perspective: I do find that I use the SD slots quite a bit, especially for transferring from a digital camera while out and about (and also for dev stuff) |
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| 18:05.15 | mgedmin | finding microsd -> minisd adapters is a bit tricky |
| 18:05.24 | mgedmin | and I'm not buying minisd cards, thank you very much |
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| 18:07.22 | flavioribeiro | so johnx, do you think 288 dollars its a good price to buy a n800? |
| 18:07.36 | johnx | it depends on where you are I guess |
| 18:07.44 | johnx | it's $220 for an N810 in the US right now |
| 18:07.46 | mgedmin | didn't I see a n810 recently for a similar price? |
| 18:07.50 | mgedmin | oh, even lower |
| 18:08.01 | mgedmin | $269.99 on amazon |
| 18:08.13 | mgedmin | I'd say 288 is too much for a n800, unless you really prefer the n800 to the n810 |
| 18:08.21 | flavioribeiro | hm.. |
| 18:09.02 | flavioribeiro | im in brazil |
| 18:09.06 | mgedmin | ah |
| 18:09.13 | mgedmin | let me guess, amazon won't ship there |
| 18:09.33 | mgedmin | is in lithuania |
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| 18:09.48 | flavioribeiro | no no, its a friend of mine thats selling the n800 for 650 reais |
| 18:09.53 | flavioribeiro | 650,00 Brazil reais = 288,50445 U.S. dollars |
| 18:09.55 | johnx | what is the normal price in Brazil for the N800 and N810? |
| 18:10.27 | flavioribeiro | n810 is not being sold here |
| 18:10.36 | mgedmin | "priceless" ;) |
| 18:10.46 | flavioribeiro | just n800, per 799,90 reais |
| 18:11.09 | flavioribeiro | about 350 dollars |
| 18:11.53 | johnx | is there a way for you to buy it from the US? |
| 18:13.06 | flavioribeiro | i have a friend thats living in us, but if i buy my friend's n800 i could divide the payments in 2 or maybe 3 months |
| 18:13.42 | johnx | what do you plan to use it for? |
| 18:14.58 | flavioribeiro | learning more about embedded linux, maybe try to install mamona and use the wi-fi connection to voip calls... canola to listen some songs at the bus |
| 18:15.34 | johnx | then you'll probably be happy with an N800 |
| 18:15.52 | flavioribeiro | and why not make small apps in python to remember my activities at my routine |
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| 18:17.12 | Stskeeps | ponders if mamona is still active |
| 18:17.22 | flavioribeiro | i saw n97 cellphone thats almost released by nokia, do you think n97 can make nokia discontinue the tablets division or not? |
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| 18:17.47 | johnx | flavioribeiro, they're definitely continuing both :) |
| 18:18.15 | flavioribeiro | good, there's any rumor of a new tablet? |
| 18:18.33 | johnx | Nokia will release the next tablet sometime this year, probably sometime in the summer |
| 18:22.37 | oli | johnx: something new, or just improved 8*0? |
| 18:22.51 | timeless | jeremiah: still alive? |
| 18:22.52 | johnx | oli, something new |
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| 18:23.26 | oli | johnx: what else can they put into tablet? there will be 2mpx (or more) cam - for sure |
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| 18:23.51 | GeneralAntilles | sighs http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=264906&postcount=28 |
| 18:23.56 | johnx | oli, most of the info is linked from here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle#Fremantle_timeline |
| 18:24.39 | GeneralAntilles | oli, HD camera. |
| 18:24.54 | johnx | such a loaded term... |
| 18:25.06 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, it means what it says. |
| 18:25.09 | GeneralAntilles | It records 720p |
| 18:25.59 | johnx | in this case we know what's happening...but "HD cam" could mean it takes 1280x720 stills or that it records 1920x1200 movies |
| 18:26.21 | johnx | I was just commenting on the term...nothing more |
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| 18:26.24 | GeneralAntilles | It records 720p, according to the code I've poked around in. |
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| 18:26.55 | derf | If the image quality is as bad as the current camera, it might as well be 240p. |
| 18:27.20 | johnx | I'm thinking they'll buy real sensors this time instead of just raiding the parts pile |
| 18:27.28 | timeless | it isn't as bad as the current camera |
| 18:27.29 | GeneralAntilles | derf, image quality was one of the things they were focusing one. |
| 18:27.35 | timeless | although, the nice thing about low expectations |
| 18:27.43 | timeless | we should be able to do better than last time :) |
| 18:27.45 | GeneralAntilles | I've got two model numbers if you want to correlate them to other devices and see what their quality is, though. |
| 18:27.54 | derf | Yeah... it wouldn't take much to be an improvement. |
| 18:28.05 | timeless | derf: no promises |
| 18:28.07 | johnx | the N800 kinda reminds me of the 1st gen Mazda RX-7...a neat concept made out of spare parts |
| 18:28.11 | timeless | but i'm hoping for at least VGA quality |
| 18:28.28 | GeneralAntilles | MT9T012 or ET8EK8 |
| 18:28.36 | johnx | timeless, 16 colors or 256 :> |
| 18:28.56 | timeless | i'm hoping for 256 |
| 18:29.02 | timeless | but maybe it'll be grayscale? :) |
| 18:29.09 | johnx | heh...or sepia? |
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| 18:30.18 | Stskeeps | sepia would be a little streampunk.. |
| 18:30.25 | Stskeeps | er, steampunk |
| 18:30.42 | johnx | ...streampunks in a van down by the river... |
| 18:31.00 | johnx | reads about quilt |
| 18:31.07 | wazd | my brain is working again, thanks to World of Goo ) |
| 18:31.46 | thopiekar | wazd: demo? |
| 18:31.53 | timeless | actually |
| 18:31.56 | timeless | i just tried |
| 18:32.05 | timeless | and i've decided i want to downplay your expectations |
| 18:32.13 | timeless | i just hope that opening the camera will |
| 18:32.15 | timeless | 1. open the camera |
| 18:32.25 | timeless | 2. show something that isn't a solid black box |
| 18:32.30 | wazd | thopiekar: Actually I stole it :( |
| 18:32.35 | timeless | that's what i got :) |
| 18:32.45 | thopiekar | wazd: hehe me too.. |
| 18:32.48 | wazd | thopiekar: but it worth 20 bucks for sure |
| 18:33.03 | wazd | thopiekar: I like graphics and music very much) |
| 18:33.18 | thopiekar | wazd: true |
| 18:33.29 | timeless | i pretend to work on the browser |
| 18:33.33 | timeless | oops |
| 18:34.23 | wazd | thopiekar: too bad that I can't play too much cause of touchpad :) This game needs wacom or good mouse :) |
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| 18:34.43 | Stskeeps | timeless pretends? :o |
| 18:34.58 | timeless | well, i wave to the browser people, answer browser qustions |
| 18:35.05 | thopiekar | but the best for brain train is "brain challange" of ngage.. I've got all games cracked^^ |
| 18:35.06 | timeless | make the other browser people happy |
| 18:35.16 | thopiekar | It isn't very difficult.. |
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| 18:36.57 | RST38h | urgh |
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| 18:37.08 | RST38h | that was bad |
| 18:37.10 | GeneralAntilles | You know what might get people developing for Maemo? |
| 18:37.22 | GeneralAntilles | If the documentation didn't suck totally half the time and 404 the other half. |
| 18:37.45 | RST38h | General: Tell us something new =( |
| 18:38.03 | GeneralAntilles | I wonder if moving to Forum Nokia will make it better or worse |
| 18:38.39 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: New documentation is coming and it is a lot better. |
| 18:38.41 | GeneralAntilles | Better not be anymore PDF-only releases, though. |
| 18:38.54 | johnx | hmmm...something new...You know what might get people developing for Maemo? free Pizza and beer. |
| 18:38.56 | X-Fade | It is html and PDF. |
| 18:39.31 | johnx | after all, PDF is just an archive format extracted with pdftohtml :) |
| 18:39.50 | X-Fade | Documentation is now created in Latex :) |
| 18:40.02 | johnx | very cool |
| 18:40.02 | RST38h | is really afraid now |
| 18:42.01 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: what might get people developing for Maemo?) |
| 18:42.26 | johnx | wazd, i think we agreed free pizza and beer is the best incentive |
| 18:42.28 | timeless | gan: so... I'm going to add nitro/crash-reporter to the list of localized packages |
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| 18:43.11 | Stskeeps | johnx: free clothes, - tshirts! |
| 18:43.14 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:43.43 | Stskeeps | (a way to attract student developers) |
| 18:43.51 | johnx | heh...anything that saves geeks time from doing laundry/feeding themselves/getting drunk |
| 18:44.34 | wazd | johnx: aw, if pizza and beer then count me xC |
| 18:44.35 | GeneralAntilles | Is NITRO in a useful repo yet? |
| 18:44.37 | wazd | xD |
| 18:44.38 | GeneralAntilles | and does it actually work? |
| 18:44.40 | RST38h | ability to make money from their projects will get people coding |
| 18:44.49 | Stskeeps | watches b-mans installer install |
| 18:45.10 | qwerty12-mer | GeneralAntilles, some nokia repo with display name of Crash Reporter |
| 18:45.12 | timeless | gan: well |
| 18:45.18 | timeless | it doesn't work in x86 for a bunch of reasons |
| 18:45.25 | timeless | i'm about to file a bug about one of them |
| 18:45.41 | timeless | and it probably wouldn't work in Mer-armel unless the kernel is built w/ a certain hack |
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| 18:51.01 | GeneralAntilles | It's in the SDK repo, of course. |
| 18:51.21 | GeneralAntilles | So they expect people to reboot-loop their tablets to help them collect crash reports. |
| 18:51.47 | RST38h | wazd: I am being spammed by somebody offering 1000 m^2 of A-class office space at Tverskaya |
| 18:52.18 | RST38h | wazd: "only" $900/m^2 a year to lease. Is this what "crisis" means? =) |
| 18:53.44 | timeless | gan: yeah well um |
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| 18:53.57 | timeless | he thought it was in extras |
| 18:53.58 | timeless | shrugs |
| 18:54.05 | timeless | i grabbed it from the internal repo |
| 18:54.07 | GeneralAntilles | lol? |
| 18:54.29 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, sorry, I forgot I surrounded the grocery store with landmines. |
| 18:54.34 | GeneralAntilles | Good luck getting the sugar. |
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| 18:55.35 | timeless | awww |
| 18:56.23 | wazd | RST38h: well, 900$ is pretty cheap :) |
| 18:56.34 | qwerty12-mer | stays away from grocery stores in SPB, FL |
| 18:57.21 | wazd | RST38h: A-class office space in my house (Valovaya st.) costs bout the same |
| 18:57.54 | wazd | RST38h: But it's sadovoye koltso on the other hand) |
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| 18:59.56 | RST38h | wazd: Should I lease it for $900k/year? :) |
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| 19:01.23 | RST38h | will probably just go with that Viagra spam instead... |
| 19:05.04 | timeless | gan, ok https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4124 |
| 19:05.13 | timeless | that should cover the kernel stupidity |
| 19:05.22 | wazd | RST38h: why not?) |
| 19:05.26 | timeless | there's enough info there to work around the lame hack they're using |
| 19:05.54 | RST38h | wazd: Can I claim lack of funds? =) |
| 19:06.19 | GeneralAntilles | Hum, Ovi Store for Maemo. |
| 19:06.39 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: whwhawha? |
| 19:07.21 | wazd | btw, separate app for store is totally lame |
| 19:07.36 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, pondering, mostly. |
| 19:07.41 | GeneralAntilles | With Qt that might be more feasible. |
| 19:07.58 | wazd | store should be web based |
| 19:08.29 | GeneralAntilles | Web on mobile devices is still to irritating and slow |
| 19:08.36 | GeneralAntilles | Both options should be available. |
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| 19:08.54 | GeneralAntilles | I'd much rather browse applications through h-a-m than Downloads. |
| 19:08.56 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: make special styles for different mobiles |
| 19:09.09 | GeneralAntilles | Bleh |
| 19:09.25 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: I want to buy an app wherever I am |
| 19:09.30 | ShadowJK | store as app probably comes from s60 and s40. lets you pay through sms |
| 19:09.41 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, what does that have to do with web or not? |
| 19:09.46 | RST38h | There is a mess with nokia app stores |
| 19:10.10 | RST38h | Let us see: |
| 19:10.17 | RST38h | 1. There is Nokia NGage |
| 19:10.25 | RST38h | 2. There is Nokia Download! |
| 19:10.33 | RST38h | 3. There is upcoming Nokia Ovi store |
| 19:10.44 | wazd | I want to come to my gf, open her browser, download/buy software I need, sync it to the phone |
| 19:10.53 | RST38h | Neither #1 nor #2 work well. My guess is that #3 will be as much of a failure |
| 19:11.01 | ShadowJK | there's the "Catalogs" thing too |
| 19:11.09 | wazd | Or I can send an sms to her with link to the app she needs for example |
| 19:11.10 | timeless | tableteer! |
| 19:11.12 | RST38h | wazd: This is perfectly doable with third party stores |
| 19:11.41 | ShadowJK | What I really don't want is "sync it to the phone" :-) |
| 19:11.41 | wazd | RST38h: yep, cause the're webbased) |
| 19:11.53 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, why would that require being _web-only_? |
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| 19:12.07 | GeneralAntilles | Why not have both? |
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| 19:12.12 | GeneralAntilles | So you have the convenience of web |
| 19:12.16 | GeneralAntilles | and the non-suck of native. |
| 19:12.22 | GeneralAntilles | Just like Downloads and Application Manager. |
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| 19:12.35 | slonopotamus | hehe |
| 19:12.38 | timeless | hey |
| 19:12.39 | lcuk | because most apps come alive when you connect them into a network |
| 19:12.45 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: app should be installed |
| 19:12.52 | timeless | how much does apple take as a cut from iTunes store sales? |
| 19:13.01 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: and it should be approved |
| 19:13.14 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: this crap stops platform developing |
| 19:13.29 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, I'm still not understanding why web-only is a requirement. |
| 19:13.36 | ShadowJK | oh hey, there's "Nokia Software Market" too |
| 19:13.55 | slonopotamus | so, hot'n'fresh gentoo-with-x11-on-n8x0 docs! http://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x0#step_4_x11 |
| 19:14.12 | GeneralAntilles | timeless, 30%? |
| 19:14.20 | ShadowJK | actually, this "Catalogs" app that was preinstalled on my E70 seems to be a frontend program to many stores, including some WB and EA store |
| 19:14.34 | johnx | slonopotamus, how's openoffice? |
| 19:14.37 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: well, if app-store will give me web link to the app then I don't mind, it's just additional work |
| 19:14.56 | lcuk | installing apps by a single fiddly one liner is not going to cut it in todays consumer market |
| 19:15.00 | slonopotamus | johnx, wifi & bt first |
| 19:15.15 | johnx | slonopotamus, just kidding. congrats on the release :) |
| 19:15.17 | lcuk | they expect a catalogue with pictures and descriptions and reviews and ratings |
| 19:15.34 | lcuk | like maemo.org/downloads, but directly on the device and slick |
| 19:15.45 | slonopotamus | johnx, i know :) wait a bit, i'll have it |
| 19:16.12 | ShadowJK | iirc you can click on things on maemo downloads and it installs on the device? |
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| 19:17.04 | X-Fade | Mobile (bar)codes would make more sense when we have a HD cam? |
| 19:17.20 | X-Fade | At least you wouldn't have to type the url? :) |
| 19:17.21 | lcuk | X-Fade, technically the barcode database can sit locally for lookups and checks |
| 19:17.32 | lcuk | but the mobile site should link with stores and use that code in numerous places |
| 19:17.37 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, more importantly, a camera where you can see what you're taking a picture of. ;) |
| 19:17.51 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: And one that has focus? |
| 19:18.02 | ShadowJK | hm |
| 19:18.05 | GeneralAntilles | There's a chip for that in the kernel. |
| 19:18.06 | lcuk | barcodes arent that bad to scan though |
| 19:18.29 | ShadowJK | am I the only one who's never downloaded a program for cellphone/tablet on a computer, always on the device itself? :-) |
| 19:18.54 | Stskeeps | ShadowJK: you have been blessed with sane data plan.. |
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| 19:19.20 | ShadowJK | Maybe also because if I was in front of a computer I'd use software on the computer |
| 19:19.41 | ShadowJK | and whenever I've needed software on the cellphone it's been because I haven't had access to a computer |
| 19:19.55 | ShadowJK | and then I've just downloaded what I needed |
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| 19:25.25 | guysoft42 | hey, my fn buttion stoped working on my N810. i am using the newest maemo system. and i think it stoped due to an upgrade, what can i do? |
| 19:27.03 | ShadowJK | btw, the biggest reason why you'd want to have it web-based: sane resume download support |
| 19:27.12 | ShadowJK | All these random apps always fuck it up :-) |
| 19:27.22 | Stskeeps | guysoft42: you were using him-hebrew or something weren't you? |
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| 19:27.53 | guysoft42 | Stskeeps, yes, that package did not upgrade.. |
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| 19:28.00 | tourett_ | http://change.pennergame.de/change_please/2520711/ |
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| 19:28.31 | Stskeeps | guysoft42: possibly your xkb layout that screwed up then.. fn is a bit of a strange creature on tablets |
| 19:28.51 | guysoft42 | Stskeeps, is there a way to reset it? |
| 19:29.23 | timeless | grumbles |
| 19:29.30 | timeless | i can't find crash reporter anywhere |
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| 19:29.39 | Stskeeps | the invisible product |
| 19:29.41 | timeless | i think crash-reporter won't appear until they fix the throbber |
| 19:29.47 | timeless | we tried to fix it a few hours ago |
| 19:29.56 | timeless | i think i was supposed to wait for the next sdk sync |
| 19:29.59 | timeless | brb |
| 19:30.10 | Stskeeps | guysoft42: not sure |
| 19:30.20 | Stskeeps | easiest way is to start again from a fresh reflash i gues |
| 19:30.20 | Stskeeps | s |
| 19:30.34 | guysoft42 | Stskeeps, not for me, i have a lot of data here |
| 19:31.02 | guysoft42 | Stskeeps, and it won't mean it will go away.. |
| 19:31.23 | guysoft42 | Stskeeps, how can i have a look to see what is worng.. isn't it connected to xmodmap or something? |
| 19:32.08 | Stskeeps | i didn't look closely at him-hebrew, but it is XKB related.. maybe there is a setxkb* thing |
| 19:33.30 | Stskeeps | wonders if it is bad forum manner to have a thread per release |
| 19:34.38 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, there are a number of different schools of thought. ;) |
| 19:35.19 | Stskeeps | well, i usually justify it to myself by attaching some kind of discussion piece.. not a very flammatory one this time around though |
| 19:36.44 | GeneralAntilles | Most people would say new thread per, anyway. |
| 19:37.50 | johnx | I vote new thread = new release |
| 19:38.09 | GeneralAntilles | So if I start a 0.9 thread you have to release? :P |
| 19:38.14 | johnx | it's too hard to figure out what's what without a threaded forum otherwise |
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| 19:38.39 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, yeah. I'll release. then you'll see why up to now Stskeeps is the one who releases :P |
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| 19:40.22 | johnx | sleeps |
| 19:41.24 | guysoft42 | Stskeeps, ok.. i tried as a test to remove the hebrew package, and its still not working |
| 19:41.28 | guysoft42 | and i did a reboot.. |
| 19:41.30 | rm_you_ | night johnx |
| 19:41.44 | johnx | 'night rm_you. catch you tomorrow maybe |
| 19:41.50 | rm_you | :) |
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| 19:42.34 | guysoft42 | i would have posted this at tablet talks, but i don't seem to be getting my activation e-mail |
| 19:43.20 | guysoft42 | Stskeeps, ok um, solved it.. but i am not sure how - when i installed back the hebrew is started working |
| 19:44.47 | RST38h | rm_me |
| 19:45.25 | rm_you | indeed. |
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| 19:49.58 | lcuk | i love bacon, but this is a bit ott: http://www.lolpix.com/pictures/12/Funny_Pictures_487.htm |
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| 19:51.15 | Proteous | there's a lot of muscle definition on that arm, totaly doesn't look like he/she eats lots of bacon |
| 19:51.35 | Proteous | maybe that's a leg |
| 19:51.37 | Proteous | who knows |
| 19:51.46 | rm_you | O_o |
| 19:51.48 | lcuk | muscle definition? i didnt get past the fat |
| 19:51.57 | Proteous | I was being sarcastic |
| 19:51.58 | lcuk | maybe its a pig.. |
| 19:52.31 | lcuk | ello rm_you |
| 19:52.46 | rm_you | hey lcuk, luck^ |
| 19:52.52 | rm_you | you guys need to duel it out |
| 19:53.04 | lcuk | not really, i know where i stand |
| 19:53.17 | Proteous | right next to the bacon, we know |
| 19:53.19 | lcuk | is knackered totally today |
| 19:54.24 | X-Fade | too |
| 19:55.11 | lcuk | hiya X-Fade properly now lol, how was your vacation |
| 19:56.03 | X-Fade | Hi lcuk. It was great. |
| 19:56.11 | X-Fade | But the backlog isn't ;) |
| 19:56.20 | lcuk | heh yeah, i had a minor emergency :P |
| 19:56.41 | lcuk | but ive decided to go to the source of the problem for next time |
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| 19:57.02 | X-Fade | lcuk: Minor emergency? |
| 19:57.20 | X-Fade | Deleted your svn repo? :) |
| 19:57.29 | lcuk | yeah slashdot syndication sent flat text over and it go merged with the url |
| 19:57.56 | lcuk | im gonna send a note to taco before i make anotherp osting and explain the problem |
| 19:58.14 | luke-jr | X-Fade: that is one benefit of Bazaar/git/darcs/etc :p |
| 19:58.18 | luke-jr | everyone has a backup |
| 19:58.35 | X-Fade | luke-jr: That is what we have git.maemo.org for ;) |
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| 19:59.17 | lcuk | does git allow a subset of users to access the repo only, ie if i wanted a small cleanup phase before something went public |
| 19:59.31 | lcuk | but needed to enlist some help |
| 19:59.50 | luke-jr | I dont' know about git, but bazaar is quite handy |
| 20:00.09 | lcuk | X-Fade, i'm guessing you didnt see the latest video then did you :D |
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| 20:00.21 | luke-jr | with bazaar, you'd just make a local branch, push it somewhere public for help, then push to mainline |
| 20:00.25 | X-Fade | lcuk: No? url? :) |
| 20:00.40 | lcuk | luke-jr, i have local branches already, ill have to set something up |
| 20:00.46 | lcuk | i dont want the code public until im ready :) |
| 20:01.02 | luke-jr | lcuk: with bazaar, it's simply "bzr push lp:~user/projectname/branchname" |
| 20:01.03 | lcuk | x-fade, its a proof of concept thats grown stronger this week :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY |
| 20:01.12 | lcuk | luke-jr, but thats public you just said that |
| 20:01.17 | luke-jr | yeah |
| 20:01.26 | lcuk | thats not what i want |
| 20:01.51 | lcuk | wants to stay in his cathederal whilst hes putting the things together |
| 20:03.41 | wazd | lcuk: I already know this link by heart I think :D |
| 20:03.56 | lcuk | lol wazd :) better than me then |
| 20:04.03 | lcuk | there will be a new one to remember soon ;) |
| 20:04.03 | X-Fade | lcuk: Impressive! |
| 20:04.27 | lcuk | x-fade :) yeah i thought so myself, this is a little bit later and a bit more is in that is recognisable: http://liqbase.net/liq.20090214_130409.lib.scr.png |
| 20:04.48 | lcuk | and the calendar actually has real dates and scrolls and stuff as well now :$ |
| 20:05.06 | lcuk | and zooming onto images and stuff is so fluid and natural |
| 20:06.20 | wazd | lcuk: you definitely need to buy pair of jeans, nike shoes and black polo :D |
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| 20:06.45 | thopiekar | hey X-Fade I wanted to upload some packages to extras and I have to upload the .changes-files first.. but the web-interface says that the file(s) are not valid.. |
| 20:07.15 | X-Fade | thopiekar: Well the web-interface is a perfect application and doesn't lie :D |
| 20:07.24 | wazd | lcuk: cause liqbase is so unpresedented extraordinary gorgeous, best release ever :) |
| 20:07.48 | X-Fade | thopiekar: I'll check what's up.. |
| 20:07.55 | thopiekar | but the packages and the .changes are made with dpkg-bp -rfakeroot... |
| 20:07.55 | thopiekar | http://rapidshare.com/files/197282256/streamripper_armel_all.tar.gz |
| 20:08.26 | lcuk | wazd :) its only the start though. im building what *I* think a touch interface should be. i am simply determined enough to go through with it |
| 20:08.53 | thopiekar | X-Fade: these are all files I used to build streamripper and it's dependences.. |
| 20:09.28 | lcuk | thopiekar, does it give a reason why its rejected it |
| 20:09.34 | lcuk | "error: not enough bacon" |
| 20:10.05 | thopiekar | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.07 | jeremiah | That is always the reason for error - not enough bacon. |
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| 20:10.36 | lcuk | heh jeremiah :D hi by the way, good to see we share common ground |
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| 20:11.16 | lcuk | did you just see the link up there ^^^ to youtube |
| 20:11.19 | jeremiah | lcuk: A man who like bacon is a good man. :) |
| 20:11.30 | jeremiah | No, I missed that, can you pass it my way again. |
| 20:11.42 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.51 | jeremiah | I saw that it said "proof of concept" but I didn't know about what . . . |
| 20:11.55 | jeremiah | ah there it is |
| 20:12.01 | X-Fade | thopiekar: There is a , in your email address? |
| 20:12.28 | GeneralAntilles | jeremiah, just, fyi, -community usually isn't a very effective way to get to Nokia. :\ |
| 20:12.41 | thopiekar | no just thopiekar at googlemail.com... |
| 20:13.01 | X-Fade | thopiekar: Check the changed-by line. |
| 20:13.08 | jeremiah | GeneralAntilles: Thanks, I wasn't sure where to send that email. |
| 20:13.28 | jeremiah | What do you recommend? -council? |
| 20:13.39 | GeneralAntilles | jeremiah, bugzilla, usually. |
| 20:13.46 | GeneralAntilles | That, or hunt down Quim and accost him. |
| 20:13.50 | jeremiah | Bugzilla it is then. |
| 20:13.55 | GeneralAntilles | It varies a bit on the issue. |
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| 20:14.01 | GeneralAntilles | jeremiah, did you see the bug I linked earlier? |
| 20:14.05 | jeremiah | Quim hunting, a popular pastim |
| 20:14.07 | jeremiah | e |
| 20:14.17 | jeremiah | GeneralAntilles: No, I didn't. Bad me. |
| 20:14.25 | thopiekar | X-Fade: what do you mean with the changed-by line? |
| 20:14.27 | GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3922 |
| 20:14.31 | jeremiah | I should be looking at the bugzilla instance more often |
| 20:14.38 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, you lose karma if you dont follow up on bugs |
| 20:14.51 | X-Fade | thopiekar: Changed-By: in your .changes file.. |
| 20:14.57 | lcuk | jeremiah, you need a tablet with bugzilla rss feed :D (does one exist?) |
| 20:15.06 | X-Fade | thopiekar: for stream ripper |
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| 20:16.22 | GeneralAntilles | jeremiah, look at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=303 and https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=630 if you want some interesting historical context. |
| 20:16.25 | thopiekar | X-Fade: aaahh I see :) |
| 20:16.30 | thopiekar | X-Fade: thanks |
| 20:16.42 | X-Fade | thopiekar: Not sure if that is the problem, but try it out ;) |
| 20:16.46 | jeremiah | GeneralAntilles: Can we do a crazy find command, like this, find / -name changelog -exec sed 's/integrator/some_one/g' {} \; ? |
| 20:16.58 | X-Fade | thopiekar: You might want to look at a proper Section too. |
| 20:17.14 | GeneralAntilles | jeremiah, http://www.octofish.net/bugjar/ is good for tracking b.m.o if you don't want to watch for all bug changes. |
| 20:18.04 | lcuk | why dont all the actually people employed around maemo actually sit in some big control centre? |
| 20:18.14 | jeremiah | Sweet, good stuff GeneralAntilles, if that is your real name. |
| 20:18.17 | lcuk | that way you could all share data |
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| 20:18.24 | jeremiah | lcuk: We do! |
| 20:18.32 | jeremiah | It is called "Planet Earth." |
| 20:18.46 | X-Fade | jeremiah: I thought it was the collective? |
| 20:18.49 | GeneralAntilles | jeremiah, http://maemo.org/profile/view/generalantilles/ ;) |
| 20:19.02 | Meiz_n810 | jeremiah: where's that? |
| 20:19.12 | jeremiah | No! We're an anarcho syndicalist commune! |
| 20:19.45 | lcuk | BUG |
| 20:19.50 | jeremiah | Meiz_n810: To the left of Mars. :) |
| 20:20.00 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, you have been given ratings for thumbing up jeremiah twice |
| 20:20.01 | jeremiah | GeneralAntilles: You have some serious karma dude. :) |
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| 20:20.15 | lcuk | jeremiah, you should only have been thumbed by GeneralAntilles |
| 20:20.16 | lcuk | once |
| 20:20.23 | qwerty12-mer | Meiz_n810, around? |
| 20:20.36 | X-Fade | jeremiah: Keep filing bugs and up your karma :) |
| 20:20.38 | Meiz_n810 | qwerty12-mer: here |
| 20:20.57 | GeneralAntilles | Bug filing is great for karma whoring. |
| 20:21.08 | lcuk | is not a whore though :P |
| 20:21.13 | jeremiah | I am a karma whore, and I am not ashamed. |
| 20:21.19 | qwerty12-mer | Meiz_n810, I've sorted the starting problems with my mer powerlaunch port, wanna test? |
| 20:21.32 | qwerty12-mer | is a karma whore. |
| 20:21.32 | GeneralAntilles | Blogs can be pretty good, too, if you know how to say what people want to hear. ;) |
| 20:21.38 | jeremiah | lcuk: I am having trouble playing the YouTube stuff, but is that a port of Qt you are working on? |
| 20:22.03 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk's infernal machine |
| 20:22.09 | lcuk | jeremiah, :) no, qt runs too slowly |
| 20:22.30 | jeremiah | Had to switch OS to get youtube to co-operate. |
| 20:22.31 | Meiz_n810 | qwerty12-mer: um, maybe not today, i wanna sleep now. tomorrow, ok? |
| 20:22.46 | qwerty12-mer | heh, fair enough :D |
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| 20:23.03 | Meiz_n810 | PING |
| 20:23.06 | Stskeeps | http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=264958 <- Mer 0.8 |
| 20:23.15 | Meiz_n810 | ~PING |
| 20:23.16 | infobot | ~pong |
| 20:23.16 | MERbot | ->PONG. |
| 20:23.27 | jeremiah | lcuk: Impressive. |
| 20:23.45 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, does this mean I have to blog now? :( |
| 20:24.13 | lcuk | jeremiah, :) it is gonna have all my existing liqbase applications in soon, heres later progress http://liqbase.net/liq.20090214_130409.lib.scr.png |
| 20:24.22 | qwerty12-mer | Stskeeps, gonna upload powerlaunch to the builder, inclusion in 0.9? *grin* |
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| 20:24.44 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: think so |
| 20:24.45 | lcuk | (the sketches and images zoom in the same way and lead to apps on the data) |
| 20:24.50 | Stskeeps | qwerty12-mer: hehe, yeah |
| 20:25.30 | lcuk | Stskeeps, contrats :D at this rate we should be on version 3.5 by june! |
| 20:25.43 | lcuk | congrats even |
| 20:27.31 | qwerty12-mer | wonders why dch in mer is using my hostname from maemo |
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| 20:35.12 | MaceN800 | hi |
| 20:35.31 | MaceN800 | have to work on my fbsd servers more |
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| 20:41.47 | X-Fade | Spamming like mad... Complaints -> dneary ;) |
| 20:42.20 | dneary | X-Fade: That's why my email address is up there :) |
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| 20:46.51 | X-Fade | Ok, I'm out of here. Good night everybody. |
| 20:46.55 | Mek | am I missing something, or do those referendum mails don't mention how/where/when to actually vote? |
| 20:47.56 | RST38h | http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0%2C2817%2C2341032%2C00.asp |
| 20:48.11 | RST38h | dneary <-- evil spammer indeed |
| 20:48.44 | wazd | RST38h: second :) |
| 20:48.46 | X-Fade | RST38h: At least he doesn't seem to sell anything :) |
| 20:48.55 | GeneralAntilles | Spamtastic! |
| 20:48.59 | GeneralAntilles | Later, X-Fade. |
| 20:49.01 | GeneralAntilles | Welcome back. :) |
| 20:49.20 | X-Fade | Ehm yeah, really gone now ;) |
| 20:49.23 | RST38h | X-Fade: Who knows? Maybe he is just sneaky at advancing his goals! |
| 20:51.20 | b-man | is amazed when his N800 has been running for 5½ hours without using a charger |
| 20:52.06 | Stskeeps | ubuntu? |
| 20:52.13 | b-man | maemo |
| 20:52.24 | b-man | and ubuntu |
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| 20:52.48 | RST38h | wonders if ARM manages to push its cpus into any netbooks |
| 20:52.48 | dneary | Mek: It's possible |
| 20:53.22 | b-man | RST38h: eventually ;) |
| 20:54.05 | aquatix | RST38h: they already did |
| 20:54.17 | aquatix | there was some 100 EUR netbook here in a toy shop |
| 20:54.22 | RST38h | aquatix: no, I don't mean obscure chinese stuff |
| 20:54.27 | aquatix | ah :) |
| 20:54.37 | RST38h | I mean real devices from the likes of Toshiba |
| 20:55.33 | fireun | arnt there a couple netbooks that can boot an arm cpu in "lite" mode, or a full cpu when in "desktop" mode? |
| 20:55.38 | fireun | I thought that was a new trend.... |
| 20:55.51 | aquatix | that HTC thing? |
| 20:56.03 | aquatix | quite old already even |
| 20:56.53 | fireun | shrugs, still only using a 770 here |
| 20:57.00 | fireun | I like it oldskool |
| 20:57.28 | aquatix | is happy with his n810 |
| 20:57.43 | aquatix | it's able to play my Invader Zim episodes without transcoding |
| 20:57.54 | fireun | I'd happily trade my two 770s for an n8xx |
| 20:58.35 | aquatix | http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/arm-debuts-sparrow-multicore-netbook-processor/ |
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| 20:58.47 | aquatix | RST38h: well, there's the first step :) |
| 20:58.49 | Stskeeps | adds beagleboard instructions to the mer 0.8 page |
| 21:00.23 | Stskeeps | dneary: so, i got 2/3 and 3/3 but not 1/3? :P |
| 21:00.39 | dneary | Stskeeps: Check your spal |
| 21:00.46 | dneary | Or it will arrive during the night |
| 21:02.22 | Stskeeps | k |
| 21:09.23 | dneary | Night! |
| 21:10.23 | Jaffa | ev'ning |
| 21:10.29 | Jaffa | dneary: thanks for sorting those |
| 21:11.37 | dneary | Wasn't easy :) |
| 21:11.41 | dneary | een a long day |
| 21:12.01 | qwerty12_N800 | Can I vote tomorrow? Copy & pasting and gmail on a tablet can test your patience :) |
| 21:12.54 | rm_you | still randomly has http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/rock%20on.mp3 in his winamp playlist |
| 21:13.03 | rm_you | prods GeneralAntilles |
| 21:14.10 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 21:14.12 | dneary | qwerty12_N800: You have all week |
| 21:14.27 | qwerty12_N800 | dneary: hah, thanks :) |
| 21:14.37 | herzi | dneary: where can I see my karma? |
| 21:14.42 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2mNQp0hhqA |
| 21:14.47 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, ^ |
| 21:14.52 | dneary | herzi: maemo.org/profile |
| 21:15.00 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I'm writing up a council announcement |
| 21:15.20 | herzi | dneary: I get HTTP:500 error when logging in on maemo org for weeks |
| 21:15.45 | dneary | herzi: Are you trying http or https, or does it make a difference? |
| 21:15.46 | Jaffa | herzi: http://maemo.org/profile/view/herzi shouldn't require a logon. |
| 21:15.58 | herzi | http errors |
| 21:16.04 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: it's up to the developer if he/she promotes the i386 version of their app. I don't promote x86 versions of my things |
| 21:16.08 | herzi | https errors, too |
| 21:16.12 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: alright |
| 21:16.35 | qwerty12_N800 | extras-devel has both by default |
| 21:17.36 | herzi | Jaffa: thanks |
| 21:17.57 | herzi | dneary: neither work |
| 21:18.19 | dneary | http://maemo.org/profile/view/herzi/ <- 48 karma |
| 21:18.31 | herzi | ah |
| 21:20.43 | Jaffa | Good grief, maemo.org's being slow this evening. |
| 21:22.06 | dneary | yeah |
| 21:22.18 | dneary | The server's getting spammed, Niels said |
| 21:22.21 | dneary | (not by me) |
| 21:22.24 | dneary | Night |
| 21:27.00 | Stskeeps | stretches and pours himself a well-deserved glass of wine. |
| 21:28.12 | GeneralAntilles | Pff |
| 21:28.16 | GeneralAntilles | You deserve nothing. |
| 21:28.41 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 21:28.48 | b-man | lol |
| 21:28.55 | Stskeeps | b-man: couple of patches for you.. sec |
| 21:29.02 | b-man | k |
| 21:29.10 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: it is also me and the fiancees two year day together so |
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| 21:31.57 | b-man | sooo wishes we could somehow reverse-ingener some of beagleboard's 3D drivers for our cpu, too bad it's not yet possible :( |
| 21:32.19 | Stskeeps | b-man: yeah, well, that ship has sailed i guess |
| 21:32.26 | Stskeeps | it is possible, ofcourse, but takes a long time :) |
| 21:32.34 | timelE61i | jeremiah: how goes it? |
| 21:32.40 | b-man | > http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/44a0c0f5354afaab :) |
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| 21:38.07 | MaceN800 | yawn |
| 21:38.23 | Stskeeps | MaceN800: time to try out Mer vmdk :P |
| 21:38.42 | Stskeeps | oh, right, you did already didn't you? the double application menus :P |
| 21:39.01 | MaceN800 | yah |
| 21:39.13 | MaceN800 | i couldnt stand it. sorry |
| 21:39.15 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 21:39.27 | MaceN800 | i'd have lost my mind |
| 21:39.42 | MaceN800 | it's just one of those things |
| 21:41.13 | MaceN800 | it was very nice though |
| 21:41.26 | MaceN800 | i'm sure if i install it in about 6 more months or so it will be on awesome status |
| 21:41.49 | Stskeeps | i am surprised how much was done 0.7->0.8, heh |
| 21:42.15 | MaceN800 | did you guys fix the double menus with .8 |
| 21:42.19 | MaceN800 | ? |
| 21:42.20 | MaceN800 | :) |
| 21:42.24 | Stskeeps | no, not yet, i didn't have time to look into that part |
| 21:42.28 | Stskeeps | was some higher priority issues |
| 21:42.44 | MaceN800 | well.. maybe .9 ;) |
| 21:42.56 | MaceN800 | how is the bt support looking? |
| 21:43.01 | MaceN800 | or do you guys just have people set up bluez? |
| 21:43.42 | MaceN800 | if you got rid of the double menu (maybe make a logo icon for it too ;) ... had wifi and bt hid working |
| 21:43.42 | MaceN800 | i'd love it |
| 21:43.42 | timelE61i | sts: double menus isn't an issue if you install enough bits from diablo ;) |
| 21:43.56 | timelE61i | Mace: eh? |
| 21:44.09 | timelE61i | Normal bt worked for me in mer |
| 21:44.20 | timelE61i | I paired my phone to mer-vmdk |
| 21:44.30 | Stskeeps | timelE61i: thats scary somewhat |
| 21:44.43 | MaceN800 | i didn't try my bluetooth kb |
| 21:44.45 | MaceN800 | i stopped witht he double menu |
| 21:44.46 | timelE61i | sTs: best part.. |
| 21:44.55 | MaceN800 | it was driving me nutty heh |
| 21:44.57 | timelE61i | I can't use bt from the laptop itself |
| 21:45.01 | Stskeeps | hah :P |
| 21:45.02 | timelE61i | Only from mer :) |
| 21:45.15 | timelE61i | Windows bt stack = disaster |
| 21:45.17 | MaceN800 | if the bt hid works then i'm fine.. i adhoc to my phone |
| 21:46.05 | timelE61i | Fwiw, the nokia bt kbd cpl is one of very few things i couldn't install |
| 21:46.17 | MaceN800 | seriously? |
| 21:46.31 | MaceN800 | well.. i guess my su8w is out of the question huh? |
| 21:46.33 | Stskeeps | MaceN800: timeless has been making a mer-diablo frankenstein :P |
| 21:46.34 | MaceN800 | :) |
| 21:46.35 | timelE61i | there are pictures of my mer online |
| 21:46.47 | timelE61i | Mace: so... |
| 21:46.53 | timelE61i | The cpl is just a cpl |
| 21:47.04 | timelE61i | Qwerty+i replaced one cpl |
| 21:47.16 | timelE61i | They're not critical, just ui |
| 21:47.57 | timelE61i | needs to figure out how image viewer slipped through the cracks |
| 21:48.05 | MaceN800 | still irritating tho ;) i'll just hold off installing it until it gets a little more down the line |
| 21:48.21 | MaceN800 | maybe around .99 or something |
| 21:48.28 | MaceN800 | heh |
| 21:48.38 | timelE61i | hey, how does ham decide what's an "application" when it backs up applications? |
| 21:48.42 | MaceN800 | but it is a very nice looking replacement for maemo |
| 21:49.00 | MaceN800 | well.. i have to get back to setting up this shell box |
| 21:49.02 | MaceN800 | fbsd ftw |
| 21:49.19 | MaceN800 | i wonder if the esxi box can use an external hd as storage |
| 21:49.19 | timelE61i | We're taking a break from setting up osol |
| 21:49.44 | timelE61i | (osol is bootable zfs root on a usb disk) |
| 21:49.46 | MaceN800 | osol? |
| 21:49.52 | MaceN800 | ah |
| 21:50.14 | qwerty12_N800 | timelE61i: programs with a section of user/ afaik |
| 21:50.17 | timelE61i | OpenSolaris2008-11, updated to dev |
| 21:50.26 | timelE61i | Qwerty: i suspected |
| 21:50.35 | timelE61i | Unfortunate for me.... |
| 21:50.49 | oli | anyone using iptablet on N8*0? |
| 21:50.54 | oli | iptables* |
| 21:51.03 | timelE61i | I'd have loved to ask ham to back up my installed diablo package list :) |
| 21:51.20 | Proteous | Mmmmm, ham |
| 21:53.13 | timelE61i | yeah, i won't eat it |
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| 21:54.13 | Stskeeps | b-man: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/merinstaller.patch |
| 21:54.35 | b-man | thanks :) |
| 21:55.12 | Macer | solaris any good on x86 |
| 21:55.20 | Macer | last i remembered it didn't come with gcc :) |
| 21:55.31 | Macer | but i haven't tried it in a very long time |
| 21:56.08 | timelE61i | It comes w/ it now |
| 21:56.14 | timelE61i | I'm happy w/ it |
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| 22:06.04 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: Pocket Loox instructions up btw |
| 22:06.22 | qwerty12_N800 | woot! |
| 22:06.40 | b-man | people asking me lots of questions; http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25975&page=6 - i'm going crazy - too many things happening today - way too busy! 0_0 |
| 22:07.54 | Stskeeps | b-man: distro work isn't easy :P |
| 22:07.59 | b-man | gets a mental overload |
| 22:08.23 | b-man | Stskeeps: verry true :) |
| 22:08.24 | Stskeeps | b-man: people who trip the incompatible bootmenu warning and then tries to disable it.. that is really bad |
| 22:08.35 | Stskeeps | if it trips, there's a bloody good reason |
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| 22:09.41 | lcuk | passes b-man AND Stskeeps a bacon butty. i do not envy the task either of you has undertaken |
| 22:09.56 | b-man | hehe |
| 22:10.43 | b-man | Stskeeps: it's triping even with deblet bootmenu - but i have it installed and i'm having no problems with it |
| 22:10.47 | lcuk | does some code |
| 22:11.04 | fireun | use data protection |
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| 22:11.32 | Stskeeps | b-man: it is probably people who forgot to add ITEM_LINUXRC |
| 22:11.50 | Stskeeps | b-man: if they have tripped it once, the install is ruined :P |
| 22:12.15 | b-man | hmm :((( |
| 22:14.45 | b-man | screams |
| 22:15.06 | Proteous | covers his ears |
| 22:15.06 | Stskeeps | and we witness b-man losing his sanity |
| 22:15.07 | lcuk | in irc, noone can hear you scream |
| 22:15.19 | lcuk | heard wilhelm tho |
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| 22:15.44 | b-man | hohoho hehehe hahaha :o ;p 0.o 0_o O-0 |
| 22:16.09 | lcuk | nope, false alarm, hes back to normal |
| 22:16.43 | timelE61i | witch dr? |
| 22:17.19 | Proteous | lol |
| 22:17.40 | Proteous | someone needs to run s/witch/which/ on b-mans post |
| 22:18.07 | Stskeeps | Proteous: i've added an automatic sed script to my irc client and i've never been happier :) |
| 22:18.16 | Proteous | lol |
| 22:18.37 | b-man | douces himself with a glass of water |
| 22:19.29 | Stskeeps | b-man: we can only hope we can develop mer in a direction where it is trivial to convert it into a ubuntu if one such wanted >P |
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| 22:21.35 | Stskeeps | b-man: but anyway, there was a reason why i didn't start a ublet back then - it wasn't sustainable in the long run in terms of power usage and maintainability.. same lesson learnt with deblet |
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| 22:22.48 | Stskeeps | (we had ubuntu running already back in summer) |
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| 22:24.10 | lardman | evening all |
| 22:24.26 | lardman | any other councilors about? |
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| 22:24.43 | b-man | Stskeeps: true :p |
| 22:24.48 | b-man | eats some mack'n cheez to calm his nervs |
| 22:25.06 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: ping |
| 22:25.10 | lardman | Jaffa: ping |
| 22:25.17 | timelE61i | misses kraft |
| 22:25.25 | Stskeeps | b-man: figure out a way to make a /etc/apt/preferences that drags in the packages you want from mer and downprioritize the mer ones otherwise |
| 22:25.29 | fireun | ubuntu only on the n8xx? |
| 22:25.41 | lardman | bbiab |
| 22:25.49 | Stskeeps | fireun: it is fairly simple to get it going on 770 too, mer is on 770 as well |
| 22:25.52 | fireun | hates being stuck at one final release on the 770 |
| 22:26.12 | Stskeeps | fireun: and i'll be getting a 770 donated so we can (finally) add proper support to the 770s |
| 22:26.15 | fireun | Stskeeps: ok, good to know, I'll give it a try one of these weekends |
| 22:26.29 | fireun | eggscellent |
| 22:26.42 | Stskeeps | b-man: and then we can build the ubuntu images along with mer images i guess |
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| 22:28.36 | tonyyarusso | eh? You can run Ubuntu on an n8xx? How? |
| 22:29.39 | b-man | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25975 |
| 22:29.41 | GeneralAntilles | lardman|away? |
| 22:30.10 | Stskeeps | tonyyarusso: Mer is based on ubuntu (taken from a minbase though), too |
| 22:30.43 | Stskeeps | but b-man's ubuntu is indirectly based on mer work :) |
| 22:31.41 | b-man | and a little bit of deblet too ;) |
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| 22:33.52 | Jaffa | lardman|afk: ping |
| 22:37.04 | lardman|away | GeneralAntilles: the wiki pages about the referenda make no sense to me |
| 22:37.33 | lardman | what's all the "item #3" stuff mean? |
| 22:37.50 | lardman | and why the change in numbering scheme on this page: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_voting_rights |
| 22:38.18 | lardman | I've not been involved as I don't have any strong views, but this is confusing |
| 22:38.20 | Jaffa | lardman: Can you change them so they *do* make sense? |
| 22:38.29 | Jaffa | lardman: Item #3 is referrring to the document linked above |
| 22:38.31 | lardman | no, I have no idea what it's supposed to mean! |
| 22:38.36 | Jaffa | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council#Election_process |
| 22:38.40 | Jaffa | lardman: once I explain it ;-) |
| 22:38.42 | wazd | ok, self-demotivation didn't worked, current Mer UI mockup is nice :) |
| 22:39.10 | Jaffa | lardman: and the change in numbering scheme is cos dneary was copying & pasting and fubared? |
| 22:39.28 | Stskeeps | wazd: as in the one you published? |
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| 22:40.04 | wazd | Stskeeps: yep. It just needs a few tweaks for supernarrow screens |
| 22:40.19 | Stskeeps | alright |
| 22:40.40 | wazd | Stskeeps: I really tried to come up with something better but I can't for now) |
| 22:41.33 | GeneralAntilles | When do we get to vote? |
| 22:42.08 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: AIUI, the vote links are sent separately; so I assumed they'd come at some point after the emails... but dneary's blog post says "open now" |
| 22:42.14 | Jaffa | Something to poke him about tomorrow. |
| 22:42.36 | Jaffa | Ah no. |
| 22:42.38 | Jaffa | Bollocks. |
| 22:42.48 | Jaffa | There's a link in his post to http://maemo.org/vote/ which contains them |
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| 22:42.55 | Stskeeps | wazd: maybe the challenge is then to see what would make sense on a phone device |
| 22:43.03 | Jaffa | But that wasn't in the emails. Oh well, one follow up email tomorrow should do it. |
| 22:43.39 | Jaffa | beds |
| 22:44.52 | GeneralAntilles | We're bouncing between numeric and alpha lists. . . . |
| 22:45.27 | b-man | leaves - see ya later |
| 22:45.39 | GeneralAntilles | The wiki pages doesn't correspond to the referenda titles. |
| 22:45.42 | GeneralAntilles | <_< |
| 22:46.17 | tonyyarusso | Is it possible to make apps install to the removable memory? I'm running into space constraints with the system memory. |
| 22:46.41 | rm_you | tonyyarusso: look into Boot From SD |
| 22:46.55 | rm_you | you'll need to actually run the OS from a partition on an SD card |
| 22:46.57 | tonyyarusso | rm_you: So I have to make the whole thing on it eh? Okay. |
| 22:47.13 | rm_you | Yep. better idea anyway |
| 22:47.14 | tonyyarusso | rm_you: Am I going to have to totally re-install everything to do that? |
| 22:48.23 | rm_you | no |
| 22:48.23 | tonyyarusso | Better idea why? |
| 22:48.23 | rm_you | Clone From SD |
| 22:48.24 | rm_you | search on the forums |
| 22:48.24 | rm_you | it takes your current image |
| 22:48.24 | rm_you | err, because if you break something (like your kernel, lol) you can boot into the flash install, chroot in, and fix it |
| 22:48.24 | GeneralAntilles | ~bootsd |
| 22:48.25 | rm_you | all on the device |
| 22:48.25 | GeneralAntilles | ~boot-sd |
| 22:48.26 | infobot | rumour has it, boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card |
| 22:48.26 | tonyyarusso | That's an excellent point. |
| 22:48.30 | rm_you | has happened to me several times |
| 22:48.34 | tonyyarusso | Is there any performance difference between the external SD and internal memory? |
| 22:48.43 | rm_you | not really IMO |
| 22:51.03 | lardman | re |
| 22:51.07 | lardman | sorry had to pop out |
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| 22:51.59 | lardman | Jaffa: Ok, I now see the link to the number in the countil page |
| 22:52.21 | lardman | Jaffa: and yes, I know the numbering thing was a fubar, I was just surprised the email went out with it like that |
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| 22:56.02 | guysoft42 | is there a way to get gpe on the maemo to sync to a syncML server? |
| 22:56.47 | wazd | Stskeeps: btw, how apps behave with such narrow screen? |
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| 22:57.00 | Stskeeps | wazd: mm, depends |
| 22:57.34 | Stskeeps | my focus isnt always the apps but libhildon apps |
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| 23:00.04 | lardman | got out of the wrong side of bed this morning, and apologises to everyone for his tone |
| 23:00.52 | lcuk | dont apologise lardman, i was *just* writing a what the fucking hell is this referendum about message here.. |
| 23:02.00 | lardman | yeah, well I do feel bad as I've not done anything council related for this - I have an opinion, but am not too bothered to argue it so have stayed out of the emails and organisation |
| 23:02.15 | lardman | how are you anyway lcuk? |
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| 23:02.49 | lcuk | im feeling a bit better now, had flu all last week, snuffled way through a romantic meal on saturday night |
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| 23:03.23 | lardman | oh, we had hangovers from the night before - too many caperinhas (spelling?) |
| 23:03.37 | GeneralAntilles | facepalms at "Maemo Council" |
| 23:03.51 | lcuk | lol it was nice though, good to have time to ourselves :) |
| 23:04.03 | lardman | kids away? |
| 23:04.13 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: who's the miscreant? |
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| 23:04.16 | lcuk | my mum had em for a few hours :) |
| 23:04.24 | lardman | cool :) |
| 23:04.28 | lcuk | now lukes gone to scotland skiing |
| 23:04.30 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, we can lay the blame squarely on dneary's shoulders for all of this. :P |
| 23:04.36 | lardman | :D |
| 23:04.45 | lardman | I'm sure he'll be pleased.... |
| 23:05.12 | lardman | well I do partly blame myself for not being involved enough and not checking things out |
| 23:05.16 | lardman | but that's life |
| 23:05.39 | lcuk | and caperinhas |
| 23:06.07 | lardman | :) |
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| 23:06.31 | lcuk | lardman, you saw the video, this puts it in a bit more perspective: http://liqbase.net/liq.20090214_130409.lib.scr.png |
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| 23:07.21 | Stskeeps | lo ian |
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| 23:08.30 | lcuk | this voting thing, since ive used my mail address as a key, can't i have the token mailed back to me (with applicable 1/3 subject ;)) |
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| 23:10.54 | lardman | lcuk: your liqbase stuff is in this ui design, looks good if it could be integrated: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26877 |
| 23:11.22 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps/lcuk/anybody who doesn't know, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Counting_methods what do the items #'s refer to? |
| 23:11.28 | lcuk | yeah lardman I saw that, but thats just icons |
| 23:11.38 | lardman | lcuk: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=264867&postcount=13 |
| 23:11.52 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i looked at it and decided the alcohol level in my system did not permit me to focus on that :P |
| 23:11.58 | lardman | lcuk: first link in there |
| 23:12.14 | lcuk | i just saw that and stepped back |
| 23:12.19 | lcuk | just a mo, lemme finish voting |
| 23:12.26 | lcuk | ive got something to show you |
| 23:13.13 | GeneralAntilles | Is: "The changes mentioned below will be made to the items in the Council election process." better? |
| 23:13.17 | lcuk | reading these voting options feels like reading stuart code |
| 23:13.29 | lcuk | the last vote, the one where i choose about which voting method |
| 23:13.38 | lcuk | it just says "changes to #4 and #5 or whatever" |
| 23:14.09 | lcuk | without ever listing the other options :'( whats the options for gcc to compile this up into a completed form |
| 23:15.42 | lcuk | difference between "one vote" and "a single ballot" |
| 23:15.56 | lardman | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Voting_rights_Q1_2009#Proposed_options #2 should be explained better |
| 23:16.05 | Macer | sigh.. i love my g1.. tmob's 3G network works great |
| 23:16.14 | lardman | it means that a change will be added for the first 2 elections, or at least that's my read of it |
| 23:16.17 | Macer | att with my 95 doesn't have shit on it |
| 23:16.19 | lcuk | im ok with that, it was an easy choice |
| 23:16.37 | lcuk | the selection clearly stated my intention |
| 23:18.43 | lcuk | right |
| 23:18.45 | lcuk | lardman, http://liqbase.net/liq.20090216_004545.lib.scr.png |
| 23:18.54 | lcuk | this blew my mind last night |
| 23:20.00 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090216_004336.lib.scr.png |
| 23:20.03 | lardman | lcuk: cool :) |
| 23:20.13 | StsN800 | liqporn? |
| 23:20.42 | b0unc3_ | lcuk: looks nice... |
| 23:20.48 | lcuk | this pic http://liqbase.net/liq.20090216_004336.lib.scr.png has a liqtop widget. it views the current mirror universe and is zoomable |
| 23:20.55 | lcuk | (same as i just posted) |
| 23:21.21 | lcuk | i have created a fractal desktop :) |
| 23:21.32 | lcuk | (and found/adjusted a pic to match) |
| 23:21.37 | Macer | esxi box is working pretty good now |
| 23:21.37 | Macer | still thin |
| 23:21.53 | Macer | k my zimbra vm is a little on the slow side.. might need to tweak some more resources to it |
| 23:22.04 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090216_011659.lib.scr.png |
| 23:29.44 | GeneralAntilles | Drunk StsN800, wanna look again and see if it makes a little more sense? :P |
| 23:29.53 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_voting_rights |
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| 23:42.27 | Macer | hm. is rdp encrypted? |
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| 23:48.16 | lardman | night all |
| 23:51.53 | wazd | lcuk: why the time on the thumbnail is 1 second forward?) |
| 23:52.05 | lcuk | link? |
| 23:52.17 | wazd | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090216_004545.lib.scr.png |
| 23:52.37 | lcuk | it will have ticked over before it drew the inner frame |
| 23:52.41 | lcuk | it shows live stuff |
| 23:52.50 | lcuk | and that desktop in a desktop brings the machine to its knees! |
| 23:52.59 | lcuk | it gets about 5fps |
| 23:53.23 | lcuk | i disabled it soon after |
| 23:53.24 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090216_011659.lib.scr.png |
| 23:55.09 | lcuk | i kinda got text editing working as well :) |
| 23:55.20 | lcuk | i can select text and type over it (sometimes, its got bugs) |
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