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| 00:04.08 | _user | anybody gotten google gears to work on the maemo yet? |
| 00:05.05 | _user | Is anyone alive, even? |
| 00:05.55 | tulkastaldo | in order: no and yes |
| 00:06.12 | _user | Meh. |
| 00:08.05 | b-man | has google gears installed im microb |
| 00:08.13 | b-man | *in |
| 00:09.14 | b-man | allthough i can't remember ware i obtained it :P |
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| 00:14.27 | _user | So there's no progress on gears on Maemo? |
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| 00:19.44 | _user | Gah. |
| 00:20.49 | _user | I was under the (false) impression that it worked out of the box on the n810 |
| 00:25.32 | _user | I see that this gears issue has been around for about 2 years |
| 00:25.37 | _user | crazy |
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| 00:31.30 | luke-jr | Meiz_n810: Diablo is N810? |
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| 00:43.17 | gnuton | luke-jr: yes |
| 00:43.41 | gnuton | luke-jr: but you can install diablo also in the n800 |
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| 00:46.08 | dick-richardson | how do I remove the bootmenu installed after trying mer? |
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| 00:50.12 | _user | If I installed Android on my n810, will it then have google gears? |
| 00:52.48 | timeless | looks around for testers |
| 00:53.13 | timeless | _user: 'it' is ambiguous |
| 00:53.52 | timeless | there's actually a gears for microb floating around /somewhere/ |
| 00:54.12 | timeless | however i'm not sure you'll find gears to be as helpful as you like |
| 00:54.25 | timeless | i suppose it depends on your personal needs |
| 00:54.43 | timeless | my gears offline enabled gmail box is using 300mb of ram |
| 00:54.45 | dick-richardson | would it replace a stand-alone spreadsheet and word processor? |
| 00:56.26 | Macer | hm |
| 00:56.32 | Macer | in 2010 they are releasing a new dune movie |
| 00:56.52 | Macer | i hope it isn't like the 1984 abortion of the book |
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| 01:03.15 | tonyyarusso | Which setting do I use in Maemo Mapper to use the internal GPS? |
| 01:03.34 | tonyyarusso | (Choices: Bluetooth, File Path, GPSD Host) |
| 01:06.26 | jaem | GPSD should work |
| 01:06.39 | jaem | or you could provide the device node (/dev/pgps, I believe) |
| 01:06.44 | jaem | I'm not sure which is better |
| 01:08.19 | tonyyarusso | maybe it's just getting confused b/c I'm inside. |
| 01:08.28 | jaem | that would do it |
| 01:13.50 | tonyyarusso | Is there a community-maintained database of free WiFi access points, so I could find some and add ones I find? |
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| 01:27.07 | robink | lost the URL for the usbserial.ko and pl2303.ko modules for 2.6.21-omap* |
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| 01:41.57 | robink | n/m, found it |
| 01:44.39 | robink | I'm thinking of reflashing my N810 so I get my modules.dep back. |
| 01:44.45 | robink | Anyone have a more elegant solution? |
| 01:45.04 | robink | Or even a cruder one that doesn't require reflashing the N810 |
| 01:45.09 | robink | s/$/\?/ |
| 01:45.19 | bef0rd | I believe there's an option to only flash kernel, wouldn't that fix it? |
| 01:45.33 | robink | Does flashing the kernel include the kernel modules? |
| 01:45.44 | robink | bef0rd: IIRC just flashing the kernel doesn't fix the problem. |
| 01:45.50 | bef0rd | ~flashing |
| 01:45.50 | infobot | methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 01:47.19 | robink | bef0rd: That talks about how to do a complete reflashing. |
| 01:47.46 | bef0rd | heh, I know, I just wanted to see if it included the parameters to flasher |
| 01:48.03 | bef0rd | I don't have it atm |
| 01:48.12 | robink | bef0rd: The parameter is --flash-only=kernel. |
| 01:48.16 | bef0rd | If I send you that file, would it work? |
| 01:48.21 | robink | What file? |
| 01:48.27 | bef0rd | modules.dep |
| 01:48.35 | robink | bef0rd: Oh, yeah, it should work. |
| 01:48.44 | robink | bef0rd: ...provided you're also on the latest firmware. |
| 01:48.48 | bef0rd | ok, let me find my charger |
| 01:48.51 | bef0rd | mm I think so |
| 01:48.53 | robink | bef0rd: Thanks :-) |
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| 01:52.40 | bef0rd | 5.2008.43-7 |
| 01:52.46 | bef0rd | robink, 5.2008.43-7 |
| 01:53.21 | robink | bef0rd: Wow |
| 01:53.32 | robink | bef0rd: I think I have that version (pushed via SSU), but I never flashed with it. |
| 01:53.44 | robink | bef0rd: Let's give it a try. |
| 01:58.00 | bef0rd | robink, where is that file? heh |
| 02:00.21 | robink | bef0rd: /lib/modules/current |
| 02:01.34 | bef0rd | robink, I don't have modules on /lib |
| 02:01.39 | robink | bef0rd: ! |
| 02:01.50 | robink | bef0rd: /mnt/initfs/lib/modules? |
| 02:03.21 | bef0rd | uhm current points to 2.6.21-omap1 |
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| 02:03.28 | robink | bef0rd: Yes |
| 02:03.32 | robink | bef0rd: Either directory is fine. |
| 02:03.39 | bef0rd | but there's no modules.dep there :s |
| 02:04.03 | bef0rd | just .ko files |
| 02:05.33 | robink | bef0rd: That's odd. |
| 02:05.38 | robink | bef0rd: Maybe you don't have a modules.dep either. |
| 02:05.45 | robink | bef0rd: do an lsmod, see if ipv6 is loaded. |
| 02:05.57 | robink | bef0rd: If it's not, you don't have a modules.dep. |
| 02:05.59 | bef0rd | it's not loaded |
| 02:06.02 | robink | wtf |
| 02:06.09 | robink | Nokia's no longer shipping a modules.dep with their kernels. |
| 02:06.19 | robink | that...sucks |
| 02:06.37 | robink | bef0rd: Did you get the latest firmware over SSU or by flashing? |
| 02:06.42 | bef0rd | maybe you can extract it from older firmware files? |
| 02:06.56 | robink | bef0rd: Not sure if it'd work, but I suppose it's an option. |
| 02:07.00 | bef0rd | I flashed it, and then applied an ssu updated |
| 02:07.41 | robink | Ah |
| 02:07.46 | robink | The SSU updates kill modules.dep. |
| 02:08.30 | bef0rd | update* yea |
| 02:09.17 | robink | There's an SSU update for DIABLO_5.2008.43-7? |
| 02:09.25 | robink | I assumed it had the latest initfs and kernel. |
| 02:10.25 | bef0rd | well if the modules.dep is on initfs, can't you just flash initfs? |
| 02:10.40 | bef0rd | I think there is an option for that |
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| 02:26.57 | robink | bef0rd: Hm, that might work. |
| 02:27.07 | robink | bef0rd: I could try it, but I don't want to totally break my N810. |
| 02:27.45 | luke-jr | gnuton: link? |
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| 02:46.28 | bef0rd | robink, I don't think that'll happen, if it doesn't boot, well a full flash will fix it :P so just make a back up of your stuff first |
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| 02:46.47 | kevin_405 | hi |
| 02:46.55 | kevin_405 | anybody here |
| 02:49.39 | bef0rd | hola |
| 02:50.00 | kevin_405 | beford looking for help installing python on n800 |
| 02:50.12 | bef0rd | kevin_405, diablo? |
| 02:50.21 | kevin_405 | yes |
| 02:50.28 | kevin_405 | is there a later one.. |
| 02:50.41 | bef0rd | nop |
| 02:50.55 | kevin_405 | how to get python the apt-get failes on me |
| 02:51.32 | kevin_405 | unable to lock admin directory /var/lib/dbpkg it says |
| 02:51.39 | bef0rd | apt-get install python2.5 |
| 02:51.42 | bef0rd | You need to do it as root |
| 02:52.03 | kevin_405 | i did sudo gainroot |
| 02:52.13 | bef0rd | you need to close the app manager first |
| 02:52.32 | kevin_405 | i have closed it but some deamon may be running |
| 02:52.35 | kevin_405 | how to make sure |
| 02:52.48 | bef0rd | can you install other applications? |
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| 02:53.05 | kevin_405 | never tried apt-get before |
| 02:53.11 | kevin_405 | i always use the app manager.. |
| 02:53.17 | kevin_405 | on this device.. |
| 02:53.28 | kevin_405 | Do u know the name of the deamon may be i can kill it |
| 02:53.41 | bef0rd | kevin_405, wait, your device is on RD mode? |
| 02:53.49 | bef0rd | if it's not, sudo gainroot does nothing |
| 02:53.56 | kevin_405 | yes |
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| 02:54.42 | bef0rd | could you show me the whole output of apt-get install python2.5-runtime |
| 02:55.15 | kevin_405 | apt-get update also fails |
| 02:55.23 | bef0rd | type 'id' |
| 02:55.40 | kevin_405 | 13 permission denied |
| 02:56.06 | kevin_405 | could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/list/lock - open |
| 02:56.13 | bef0rd | output of "id", no quotes |
| 02:56.35 | kevin_405 | What is id i dont understand |
| 02:56.42 | bef0rd | type id on the term |
| 02:56.44 | bef0rd | x-term |
| 02:57.02 | bef0rd | terminal |
| 02:57.20 | kevin_405 | uid 29999 gid 29999 |
| 02:57.29 | bef0rd | You are not root yet |
| 02:57.37 | bef0rd | that's why apt-get fails |
| 02:57.40 | kevin_405 | is there a password for root |
| 02:57.45 | bef0rd | No, the easier method to get root is |
| 02:57.48 | bef0rd | ~rootsh |
| 02:57.49 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/ |
| 02:58.02 | kevin_405 | i have xterm |
| 02:58.28 | bef0rd | follow this guide http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access |
| 02:58.31 | bef0rd | install rootsh |
| 02:58.37 | bef0rd | then try: |
| 02:58.41 | bef0rd | $ root |
| 02:58.50 | bef0rd | # apt-get install python2.5-runtime |
| 02:59.50 | kevin_405 | ok |
| 02:59.57 | bef0rd | (you don't need to type the $ or # symbols, those appear on the prompt already) |
| 03:00.04 | bef0rd | brb |
| 03:01.23 | kevin_405 | great |
| 03:01.26 | kevin_405 | trying |
| 03:03.42 | kevin_405 | stuck on waithing for headers |
| 03:03.48 | kevin_405 | ok downloading now |
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| 03:04.37 | kevin_405 | somebody should update the pymaemo website |
| 03:07.34 | kevin_405 | great got it to work |
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| 03:13.29 | kevin_405 | u rock beford |
| 03:13.31 | kevin_405 | GTG |
| 03:13.44 | kevin_405 | i got my sdict-viewer to work |
| 03:13.50 | kevin_405 | Just wat i was looking for |
| 03:13.53 | kevin_405 | thx |
| 03:14.12 | dphil314 | finally got maemo sdk installed |
| 03:14.22 | dphil314 | lots of dns weirdness |
| 03:15.15 | robink | bef0rd: OK. |
| 03:15.24 | dphil314 | don't like the way it load balances to various ip's, then failed the entire install on the first timeout without any retries |
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| 03:19.49 | tonyyarusso | How can I get keys like Alt on my n810? |
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| 03:50.34 | timeless | so, anyone here using my 0.1.2pre strings and have feedback? |
| 03:53.16 | timeless | err |
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| 04:41.01 | jaem | we're all doomed |
| 04:41.14 | jaem | the US has cyborg spy beetles in the works |
| 04:41.19 | jaem | http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/22039/?a=f |
| 04:41.21 | fireun | that fly |
| 04:41.33 | jaem | I want one :P |
| 04:41.34 | jaem | and yes |
| 04:41.39 | jaem | and they can carry cameras |
| 04:42.24 | jaem | I wonder how they're price compares with a decent R/C helicopter... |
| 04:42.31 | jaem | s/they're/their/ |
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| 04:45.09 | sandman | Anyone here have experience with Android running on the Nokia n810? |
| 04:47.12 | soap | #NITdroid |
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| 04:54.01 | timeless | i'm pretty sure it isn't #maemo :). but yes people have mentioned it. personally i don't feel it's topical |
| 04:58.23 | tonyyarusso | How can I do an Alt key on my N810? |
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| 06:38.43 | sandman | Does anyone know if it's true that Android on the n810 doesn't have sound? |
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| 06:40.15 | tonyyarusso | can i make apps installl to the removable memory? i'm running out of oom. |
| 06:40.21 | tonyyarusso | room |
| 06:40.59 | Meizirkki | sandman, android doesn't have sound (yet) |
| 06:41.28 | Meizirkki | there's close source components needed for that |
| 06:41.56 | sandman | I see. |
| 06:42.03 | sandman | And those cannot be acquired for the n810? |
| 06:42.37 | sandman | Well, it's just sad, anyway. It would seem that the iPhone has multitouch, also, whereas the G1 does not. This is due to some patent BS, from what I understand |
| 06:42.45 | sandman | Which pisses me off. But oh well. |
| 06:43.20 | timeless | could you possibly be pissed somewhere else? |
| 06:43.29 | timeless | we only support drunken pissers |
| 06:43.46 | timeless | all other kinds are respectfully asked to piss off :) |
| 06:48.27 | sandman | Har har har. |
| 06:48.48 | sandman | I just don't like the idea of selling out by purchasing an iPod Touch 32GiB. It is just too damn nice |
| 06:49.01 | sandman | But I'll probably start work immediately on somehow getting Android on it =) |
| 06:49.22 | timeless | unless you're planning on running maemo/mer on your gphone or ipod, the discussion is fairly off topic |
| 06:49.29 | timeless | gets pissed |
| 06:49.32 | sandman | The Apple iPod Touch hardware is so lovely. Particularly just the design of the thing. It reeks of usefulness. But the software on it is balls, imho. |
| 06:49.49 | sandman | Oh, right. I forgot which channel I was in |
| 06:49.54 | RST38h | Shiny! Shiny! |
| 06:49.54 | sandman | I thought I was in #android lol |
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| 06:50.10 | timeless | please look before pissing |
| 06:50.19 | sandman | timeless: I'll remember that. |
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| 07:45.07 | Addison | Greetings all! :) |
| 07:46.04 | udovdh | hello |
| 07:46.18 | udovdh | on tablettalk I read about power saving issues for the n810 |
| 07:46.23 | udovdh | related to wifi |
| 07:46.33 | Addison | Hi name that's unpronouncable! :) |
| 07:46.38 | udovdh | are these fixed? |
| 07:46.42 | udovdh | me? |
| 07:46.45 | udovdh | first name udo |
| 07:46.48 | udovdh | rest is surname |
| 07:46.54 | udovdh | abbreviated of course |
| 07:47.20 | Addison | I'm trying to say your name out loud right now, and I'm coming up empty. :( |
| 07:47.35 | udovdh | udo? you must be english-speaking then? |
| 07:47.40 | udovdh | think of judo |
| 07:47.41 | Addison | How does one say it phenotically (sp?)? |
| 07:47.44 | udovdh | without the 'j' |
| 07:47.57 | udovdh | the dutch 'u' is different from the english 'u' |
| 07:48.07 | udovdh | I don't think english has that u |
| 07:48.18 | Addison | Okay, got that part, now how about the "vdh"? |
| 07:48.31 | udovdh | short for `van den heuvel` |
| 07:48.44 | Addison | Dah? |
| 07:48.51 | udovdh | that's my surname |
| 07:48.55 | udovdh | means something like |
| 07:49.00 | udovdh | `from the hill` |
| 07:49.31 | udovdh | but what about the n810 power saving? |
| 07:49.36 | udovdh | suspending? |
| 07:49.37 | udovdh | etc? |
| 07:50.35 | Addison | That wasn't my post. |
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| 07:51.06 | Addison | I only post stupid questions that people typically ignore. *lol* |
| 07:54.03 | GeneralAntilles | udovdh, what "issues"? |
| 07:54.05 | GeneralAntilles | See: |
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| 07:54.08 | GeneralAntilles | ~wifi-psm |
| 07:54.09 | infobot | [wifi-psm] http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM) |
| 07:54.29 | udovdh | GeneralAntilles, about wifi using up power is what i read yesterday |
| 07:54.35 | udovdh | and now about suspend not working well? |
| 07:54.42 | udovdh | let me first see that wiki |
| 07:54.55 | udovdh | empty article? |
| 07:55.14 | Addison | Qwerty! How's my favorite big brained intellectual doing tonight? |
| 07:55.42 | GeneralAntilles | udovdh, your client didn't handle the URL properly |
| 07:55.53 | GeneralAntilles | Close the parens at the end |
| 07:56.15 | udovdh | ah....! thanks |
| 07:56.17 | udovdh | hadnt noticed |
| 07:56.36 | GeneralAntilles | I think I put a redirect in there anyway. . . . |
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| 07:57.52 | arty_name | Hello. Where can I download key of repository.maemo.org? |
| 07:58.18 | arty_name | To feed it to apt-key... |
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| 08:00.21 | udovdh | then the suspending: |
| 08:00.32 | udovdh | is that working as bad as I read or is there a recent fix? |
| 08:01.47 | GeneralAntilles | udovdh, how can you fix something that isn't broken? |
| 08:02.13 | udovdh | GeneralAntilles, I read about suspend combined with watchdog not working well |
| 08:02.27 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, suspend to RAM/disk. |
| 08:02.33 | udovdh | I am still discovering the device so I am reading a lot |
| 08:02.48 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody has a setup that'll frob the watchdog to keep it up. |
| 08:03.00 | GeneralAntilles | But, I haven't played with any of it myself. |
| 08:03.07 | GeneralAntilles | Ideally, you shouldn't need to suspend at all. |
| 08:03.24 | GeneralAntilles | These aren't x86 devices, and they use practically no power when idle. |
| 08:03.26 | RST38h | reMoo |
| 08:03.39 | GeneralAntilles | So as long as you don't have something eating CPU in the background, idle is as good as suspended. |
| 08:03.52 | RST38h | General: In a way, OMAP2 *is* suspended most of the time |
| 08:04.00 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, right. |
| 08:04.43 | RST38h | The problem with x86 is that due to its historical heritage (platform included), the current x86 designs can't be quickly suspended and unsuspended |
| 08:05.20 | RST38h | While simpler ARM designs made with battery power in mind do this fairly quickly (milliseconds) |
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| 08:07.54 | Traveler4 | ? |
| 08:08.05 | Traveler4 | Traveler4 is bunanson |
| 08:08.12 | Traveler4 | Addison, are you there? |
| 08:08.58 | Traveler4 | ? |
| 08:09.26 | Addison | Bunason! Heya! |
| 08:09.42 | Addison | I really was hoping you would show! :D |
| 08:11.54 | Addison | Did you get my private message Traveler4? |
| 08:13.08 | Traveler4 | oh yet |
| 08:13.18 | Traveler4 | i thought you were gone |
| 08:13.22 | Traveler4 | hows life? |
| 08:13.38 | Addison | Life's been treating me like a baby treats a diaper. *lol* How about you? |
| 08:14.03 | Addison | Hey first and foremost, I'm really curious about what your profession is. |
| 08:14.08 | Traveler4 | well, i guess i am alright compare to a lot of other people, not much complaint |
| 08:14.33 | Traveler4 | I am a practicing doctor |
| 08:14.46 | Traveler4 | does that help? |
| 08:15.10 | Traveler4 | what are you doing at 3 am in the morning |
| 08:18.11 | timelE61i | gAn: so, jx doesn't like my ham install package?- warnings |
| 08:18.29 | Addison | Hey, sorry for the long pause. Had to go grab a few beers. Yeah, I'm that excited to hear from you! :) |
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| 08:18.46 | Addison | Anyway, can we take this to a private chat? Do you know how that works? |
| 08:19.00 | Traveler4 | not quite sure |
| 08:19.10 | Addison | Are you on java.freenode.net? |
| 08:19.18 | Traveler4 | yup |
| 08:19.23 | Addison | Scroll down, you should see something in red. |
| 08:19.42 | Traveler4 | there is a pub and priv, i guess click the priv? right? |
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| 08:31.53 | RST38h | ...multiple US Army laptops making their way out to unsanctioned trading posts in Pakistan... |
| 08:32.15 | RST38h | 100 more years - and Pakistanis will even learn how to counterfeit these =) |
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| 08:35.43 | Stskeeps | morn |
| 08:35.55 | qwerty12 | hi Stskeeps |
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| 08:44.38 | Stskeeps | wb johnx |
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| 08:45.15 | johnx_ | hey Stskeeps |
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| 08:45.27 | RST38h | moo, johnx, Sts qwerty |
| 08:45.36 | johnx_ | stabs his Xfbdev build |
| 08:46.03 | qwerty12 | hi RST38h |
| 08:46.09 | johnx_ | it linked against libts but isnt actually using it :/ |
| 08:46.18 | StsN800 | mm |
| 08:46.37 | StsN800 | was kb detection added btw? |
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| 08:46.54 | qwerty12 | lcuk2, if around, the reason Meiz got "dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-installation script: No such file or directory" is because your postinst is in dos format |
| 08:46.55 | johnx_ | not yet :( |
| 08:47.11 | StsN800 | i need to fix xkbdata as well before generating anyway |
| 08:47.18 | johnx_ | I'm at work right now. I'll try to take a look at it |
| 08:47.58 | lcuk2 | has just woke up and is reading stuff, thanks qwerty i hadnt realised it had been through windows |
| 08:48.29 | lcuk2 | but there are other extra files which need adding as well |
| 08:49.33 | lcuk2 | i'll start with a clean debian folder next time :) |
| 08:49.44 | qwerty12 | :) |
| 08:49.44 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: what does lshal | grep keyboard say on your tablet? |
| 08:50.30 | johnx_ | installs HAL on the zaurus |
| 08:52.01 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps: maemo or Mer |
| 08:52.02 | Meizirkki | ? |
| 08:52.39 | Stskeeps | both if possible |
| 08:53.28 | johnx_ | if it turns up no results could you pastebin the result of lshal? |
| 08:54.12 | Meizirkki | ok |
| 08:54.30 | johnx_ | thanks :) |
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| 08:55.15 | Stskeeps | johnx_: think we will postpone 0.8 till tomorrow evening, i tested image earlier - its fantastic but xkb and keyboard_avaliable would make it a good release |
| 08:55.47 | Stskeeps | (enter doesnt work in n8x0 osso xterm atm) |
| 08:57.01 | Meizirkki | http://pastebin.com/m7da4305a |
| 08:57.09 | Meizirkki | maemo ^ |
| 08:57.50 | Stskeeps | ta |
| 08:58.14 | johnx_ | Stskeeps: thanks. :) been kinda swamped in real life last couple days |
| 08:58.23 | Stskeeps | johnx_: similar |
| 08:58.47 | Stskeeps | i haven't been at my laptop to close to 24h |
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| 09:00.31 | johnx_ | I've been at my computer a bit but my mind has been elsewhere... |
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| 09:06.42 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps: in Mer: http://pastebin.com/m41b0ea95 |
| 09:09.37 | StsN800 | ok, and you did not add a fdi file right? |
| 09:10.52 | Meizirkki | fdi file? |
| 09:11.17 | Meizirkki | the enter thing isn't enabled |
| 09:13.46 | johnx_ | hmm...something like lshal | grep -i info.product: | grep -i keyboard |
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| 09:13.55 | timeless | sts: so... i could probably get you 0.1.2 such that you could pull it into 0.8 |
| 09:13.57 | johnx_ | s/-i// |
| 09:14.34 | timeless | if you don't mind a couple of rough edges |
| 09:15.00 | timeless | is still trying to figure out what to do about something |
| 09:16.32 | Meizirkki | johnx: lshal | grep info.product: | grep -i keyboard gives no output |
| 09:16.40 | Meizirkki | in Mer |
| 09:17.19 | johnx_ | ah... nice catch |
| 09:17.21 | Stskeeps | timeless: i'll add in the beginnings of 0.9 if it's alright, i have already tested most areas so |
| 09:17.30 | johnx_ | a : snuck in |
| 09:17.42 | timeless | ok |
| 09:17.51 | Stskeeps | jesus, i need coffee |
| 09:17.52 | timeless | johnx/sts/gan/jaffa: so... |
| 09:18.04 | timeless | jx, my primary customer has complained about the install warning |
| 09:18.14 | timeless | he thinks that my string losses too much of the disclaimer |
| 09:18.22 | timeless | i'm looking for additional opinions |
| 09:18.45 | timeless | he claims that a lawyer probably forced the text upon nokia, and therefore i shouldn't just do away w/ its spirit |
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| 09:18.49 | johnx_ | timeless: yeah. i kinda figured that would be an issue |
| 09:19.08 | timeless | well, i'm not under contract to do this work |
| 09:19.24 | timeless | so i'm not required to translate it to that letter |
| 09:19.34 | Stskeeps | on the other hand if it is a 'replacement' string set.. |
| 09:19.37 | timeless | if the text is used in Mer |
| 09:19.46 | timeless | or on any device which isn't Nokia issue |
| 09:19.57 | timeless | it's hard to claim that it makes any sense |
| 09:19.59 | johnx_ | well still. i think it should be clear the warning is from Nokia not from the person who releases the app |
| 09:20.05 | Stskeeps | heh, i occasionally wonder why the GPL isn't flashed in people's eyes more often |
| 09:20.18 | timeless | sts: i often wonder why it is flashed where it is flashed |
| 09:20.22 | johnx_ | the way ff3 does it makes sense to me |
| 09:20.22 | timeless | a lot of windows installers flash it |
| 09:20.24 | timeless | which is stupid |
| 09:20.31 | johnx_ | more info banner than click through |
| 09:20.32 | timeless | johnx: the infobar? |
| 09:20.47 | timeless | yeah, it's so much better than the other ways |
| 09:20.50 | timeless | anyway |
| 09:20.54 | Stskeeps | timeless: i'm going to patch xkb-data, and Provides: xkbdata btw |
| 09:21.01 | timeless | thanks thanks! |
| 09:21.06 | johnx_ | glad ubuntu and ff guys could agree on that |
| 09:21.07 | timeless | can you fix libsdl* too? |
| 09:21.18 | timeless | kicks all of libsdl |
| 09:21.24 | johnx_ | what needs to be fixed about it? |
| 09:21.31 | timeless | oh, and can you make galago provide libgalago-common? |
| 09:21.45 | timeless | all of these are conflicts between ubuntu/debian and maemo |
| 09:21.52 | timeless | making it really painful to install stuff |
| 09:22.14 | Stskeeps | timeless: that will be longer though :P xkbdata i am touching right now. but - we have enabled Maemo extras per standard in 0.8 |
| 09:22.21 | Stskeeps | so people can tell us what things wont install and why |
| 09:22.32 | johnx_ | O_o |
| 09:22.33 | johnx_ | wow |
| 09:22.38 | timeless | the other ones to deal w/ are libnsp4-0d/libnss3-d |
| 09:22.42 | johnx_ | that's a big step |
| 09:22.48 | Stskeeps | johnx_: it scaringily works most of the time |
| 09:22.52 | timeless | those conflict w/ libnspr4/libnss3 |
| 09:22.54 | timeless | err |
| 09:22.57 | timeless | the other ones to deal w/ are libnsp4-0d/libnss3-1d |
| 09:23.19 | timeless | that prevents microb from coexisting w/ fennec/thunderbird |
| 09:23.22 | timeless | which is annoying |
| 09:23.49 | Stskeeps | johnx_: actually i should have asked qwerty12 to make it an 'disabled' repository, but hey, we might as well try this out and see how much of the apocalypse it brings closer :P |
| 09:24.03 | johnx_ | heh |
| 09:24.07 | Stskeeps | johnx_: ATI85 works, for instance. |
| 09:24.26 | johnx_ | people won't be able to ask what they should do with mer at least :> |
| 09:24.27 | timeless | sts: i could give you a dump of my installed packages if you're curious :) |
| 09:24.35 | Stskeeps | timeless: yeah, i actually am |
| 09:24.43 | timeless | alright, lemme see if backup works :) |
| 09:24.47 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, if you want it disabled, I can update the package. |
| 09:25.00 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: nah, i think this is a good idea really |
| 09:25.07 | qwerty12 | :) |
| 09:25.15 | Stskeeps | it will force people who try out mer and at same time develop, to fix their packages to support mer |
| 09:25.18 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:25.48 | timeless | ooh, Backup |
| 09:25.55 | timeless | Welcome to backup, create a backup |
| 09:25.56 | timeless | cries |
| 09:25.56 | Stskeeps | oh dear god |
| 09:25.59 | timeless | XXX |
| 09:26.06 | timeless | goes to get a vpn to fix |
| 09:26.11 | timeless | No memory cards available |
| 09:26.25 | timeless | sts/qwerty: how do i convince Backup i have a memory card? :) |
| 09:26.29 | qwerty12 | I'd bet my balls that the mountpoints are hardcoded and the home directory is hard coded |
| 09:26.46 | qwerty12 | timeless, mount something in /media/mmc2? :> |
| 09:26.51 | Stskeeps | johnx_: bizarre occourence the other day.. plugged in my cellphone which can charge through usb.. |
| 09:27.02 | timeless | qwerty: from vmware? |
| 09:27.13 | Stskeeps | loopback? |
| 09:27.27 | johnx_ | timeless: mount -o bind /tmp /media/mmc1 |
| 09:27.37 | johnx_ | see what breaks :> |
| 09:27.42 | Stskeeps | johnx_: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-huh.png |
| 09:28.08 | timeless | wired network, eh? |
| 09:28.17 | timeless | well, i suppose usb is a wire |
| 09:28.35 | Stskeeps | timeless: i am confident i would get same result if i plugged it in through usb host on n8x0 :P |
| 09:28.42 | Stskeeps | (this was on mertop) |
| 09:29.10 | timeless | john: mount complains: |
| 09:29.15 | timeless | mount: can't find /tmp/media |
| 09:29.16 | timeless | oh brother |
| 09:29.23 | timeless | ok |
| 09:29.24 | johnx_ | loads the page on his n800 |
| 09:29.27 | timeless | mount didn't complain when i didn't typo |
| 09:29.37 | timeless | it doesn't help though |
| 09:29.48 | timeless | all well behaved maemo apps listen to HAL |
| 09:30.03 | johnx_ | hmm.../tmp isnt necessarily the best place... |
| 09:30.04 | timeless | so the question is how does one tell HAL to lie about device presence? |
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| 09:31.06 | johnx_ | Stskeeps: O_o ... and it just worked? |
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| 09:31.40 | Stskeeps | johnx_: yeah, oob |
| 09:32.08 | johnx_ | madness |
| 09:32.25 | Stskeeps | timeless: btw, xkb-data doesn't seem to Conflicts: with xkbdata, - is it xkbdata that conflicts with xkb-data? |
| 09:32.30 | Stskeeps | (other way around) |
| 09:32.47 | Stskeeps | johnx_: on the other hand it is how it ought to be. |
| 09:33.08 | Stskeeps | except i would have liked my phone to ask if it should charge, act as mass storage, or phone mode :P |
| 09:33.18 | timeless | which thing would i need to check? |
| 09:33.27 | Stskeeps | timeless: dpkg -s xkbdata i think |
| 09:33.41 | timeless | -s shows my Dummy package :) |
| 09:33.44 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 09:33.44 | Stskeeps | ok |
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| 09:33.59 | Stskeeps | i'll just conflicts/replaces/provides it in xkb-data |
| 09:34.00 | timeless | but part of the problem is they have the same files |
| 09:34.10 | timeless | sounds good |
| 09:34.35 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, charging can be disabled/enabled in service menu and if the phone was booted by you then you should get the option :/ |
| 09:34.36 | timeless | i think xkbdata turned out to be less painful than some of the others |
| 09:34.55 | timeless | sdl is still preventing me from using a large portion of the platform |
| 09:35.27 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: oh, i just wanted it to charge |
| 09:35.34 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: not provide a internet conn :P |
| 09:35.46 | qwerty12 | ah :) |
| 09:35.52 | timeless | figured |
| 09:36.30 | timeless | puzzles |
| 09:36.39 | timeless | why isn't Crash Reporter enabled? |
| 09:36.51 | timeless | oh brother |
| 09:36.55 | timeless | "Please insert Memory card" |
| 09:36.57 | qwerty12 | NITRO wants CAL |
| 09:37.00 | timeless | kicks eero and team |
| 09:37.10 | lcuk | shakes head |
| 09:37.11 | timeless | qwerty: really? |
| 09:37.22 | lcuk | that Stskeeps has a dirty mind |
| 09:37.22 | timeless | they also can't spell OK |
| 09:37.33 | qwerty12 | timeless, yep, when my version information messed up in cal, I saw it in my syslog that nitro was refusing to start |
| 09:37.40 | timeless | wonders how it can be so hard to spell a two letter version |
| 09:37.51 | timeless | s/version/word/ |
| 09:38.40 | GeneralAntilles | There's a hint. :P |
| 09:38.44 | johnx_ | timeless: 1 in 26^2 |
| 09:38.57 | timeless | oh brother |
| 09:39.01 | timeless | so nitro is eating my cores? |
| 09:39.04 | timeless | and it doesn't work!? |
| 09:39.39 | GeneralAntilles | Did it ever get a server to report to? |
| 09:39.52 | timeless | nitro always uses an external server |
| 09:39.55 | timeless | amusingly enough |
| 09:40.00 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, yep, the password for it can be found in ~ ... |
| 09:40.02 | timeless | w/ a 1 hour pull poll |
| 09:40.18 | timeless | the directory isn't (or shouldn't be) browsable |
| 09:40.23 | timeless | and it refuses double writes |
| 09:40.32 | timeless | internally we've hit the double write issue a bunch of times |
| 09:40.35 | qwerty12 | It isn't, I've got the message that GET isn't allowed when I've logged in |
| 09:41.08 | timeless | so um |
| 09:41.10 | timeless | right |
| 09:41.19 | timeless | what aprt of nitro is stomping on my core_pattern? |
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| 09:42.18 | timeless | /etc/init.d/rich-core |
| 09:44.14 | johnx_ | anyways, back to work. will be on again when I get home and I'll get this keyboard stuff sorted. |
| 09:46.44 | Stskeeps | alright |
| 09:47.02 | timeless | cool |
| 09:47.08 | timeless | i can crash Nitro's CPL :) |
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| 09:47.29 | timeless | is special |
| 09:47.45 | qwerty12 | I can crash the control panel by having an incomplete desktop file in /usr/share/applications/hildon-control-panel :) |
| 09:49.25 | lcuk | qwerty, im sure lots of things crash if you have incomplete setups. try removing half of the real car driver and see if he crashes ;) |
| 09:49.47 | RST38h | lcuk: depends on which half we remove |
| 09:50.01 | qwerty12 | I'll leave that experiment to you odd northerners ;P |
| 09:50.12 | RST38h | lcuk: lots of things, like genitalia, are unnecessary and even detrimental to the task |
| 09:50.12 | lcuk | it depends as much on which part we remove and how long its been missing for |
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| 09:50.47 | lcuk | if i chopped your legs off whilst you were driving you would probably crash, but if you had no legs to begin with and a specially adapted car then maybe |
| 09:51.06 | RST38h | but anyways, config file parser should not crash or let application crash |
| 09:51.14 | lcuk | agreed |
| 09:51.17 | RST38h | qwerty: So, file a bugzilla report =) |
| 09:51.29 | timeless | i filed a bug report on kdevelop :) |
| 09:51.36 | timeless | wonders if they fixed it |
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| 09:51.50 | qwerty12 | RST38h, Yeah, you're right :). I'll make another desktop file later and test in diablo & mer :) |
| 09:57.29 | timeless | qwerty: so ... help? |
| 09:57.35 | timeless | how does one lie w/ hal? |
| 09:57.48 | qwerty12 | No idea, sorry :/ |
| 10:00.27 | wazd | hola everybody :) |
| 10:00.37 | qwerty12 | hi wazd |
| 10:00.56 | wazd | let's hack on Freetunner UI today) |
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| 10:03.29 | timeless | hey, i'm confused |
| 10:03.37 | timeless | anyone here have a diablo n800/n810? |
| 10:03.46 | timeless | (w/ the official english) |
| 10:04.16 | timeless | oh nice |
| 10:04.41 | timeless | so, what would you expect to have happen if you clicked [Backup]Backup>Delete, and the item was disabled? |
| 10:04.58 | timeless | (a) no backup selected |
| 10:05.02 | timeless | (b) no backups to delete |
| 10:05.23 | timeless | (c) No memory cards available |
| 10:08.23 | Stskeeps | wazd: hehe, good luck :) |
| 10:08.36 | timeless | so, no one wants to guess? :) |
| 10:09.55 | Stskeeps | timeless: normally no backups to delete |
| 10:12.16 | timeless | sts: normally. does that mean that you're willing to guess some other answer for context Nokia/Maemo/Diablo? :) |
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| 10:16.17 | timeless | so um |
| 10:16.25 | timeless | wants someone who knows how to speak hal |
| 10:16.28 | timeless | possible w/ python |
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| 10:17.47 | timeless | oh brother |
| 10:17.49 | timeless | 'Forward' |
| 10:17.58 | timeless | wow! |
| 10:18.09 | timeless | bluetooth works in Mer-vmware |
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| 10:20.23 | timeless | eh |
| 10:20.42 | timeless | USB mode is not writable |
| 10:20.47 | timeless | wonders what that means |
| 10:21.56 | timeless | frowns |
| 10:22.01 | timeless | "Not allowed" is such a rude message |
| 10:27.15 | aquatix | ``You do no exist, go away'' is better |
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| 10:27.48 | qwerty12 | Nah, there's no expletive in that |
| 10:28.14 | timeless | 'no' is an amusing typo |
| 10:28.22 | timeless | 'did you mean know' |
| 10:28.25 | timeless | (you meant not, but....) |
| 10:28.25 | aquatix | *not |
| 10:28.34 | aquatix | :) |
| 10:29.22 | timeless | they didn't assume virus scanners would be evil |
| 10:29.37 | timeless | virus scanners being evil almost certainly came later |
| 10:30.03 | RST38h | Theme cruise ships have bikers, nudity and a whole lot more |
| 10:30.23 | timeless | oops,, wrong window |
| 10:30.41 | timeless | rst: eh? |
| 10:30.57 | timeless | http://www.nydailynews.com/lifestyle/travel/2009/02/15/2009-02-15_theme_cruise_ships_have_bikers_nudity_an.html |
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| 10:42.54 | RST38h | On a motorcycle cruise, you can explore exotic destinations without the hassle of shipping your bike or renting someone else's |
| 10:43.00 | RST38h | Actually makes sense, surprising |
| 10:45.51 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, hum, so I suppose I should wait to blog until tomorrow then? |
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| 10:46.03 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: er, yeah, if you have anything in queue - there's just some tiny bugs that would be nice to fix as the rest seems quite nice |
| 10:46.09 | Stskeeps | anything mer-related that is |
| 10:46.35 | Stskeeps | has been very preoccupied with family stuff this week sadly |
| 10:55.20 | lcuk | Stskeeps, family is much more important than your hacking time. get them a n8x0 each and let them help build your barn together ;) |
| 10:55.25 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, well, I have <h3>Mer</h3>. ;) |
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| 10:57.07 | Stskeeps | lcuk: i think me and my brothers working on anything together will, probably, result in the apocalypse |
| 10:57.28 | lcuk | haha, wheres your amish spirit boy! |
| 10:58.52 | Stskeeps | it is the inverse amish spirit |
| 10:58.53 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 11:01.22 | Stskeeps | timeless: shouldn't be a need for dummy package now |
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| 11:03.40 | timeless | thanks :) |
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| 11:06.13 | Stskeeps | sometimes i really really wonder about people reporting bugs |
| 11:06.18 | Stskeeps | 'i want the hardware keyboard (german layout) to work correctly again in Maemo. The installation of Mer f..ed up the settings for Maemo, too.' |
| 11:06.30 | Stskeeps | i really wonder how that can happen |
| 11:06.34 | Stskeeps | we don't even touch rootfs in Mer :P |
| 11:06.44 | timeless | i wonder what it means :) |
| 11:07.05 | qwerty12 | offers Stskeeps a placebo pill to give to the reporter |
| 11:08.08 | Stskeeps | cyanide works better.. |
| 11:08.43 | RST38h | General: Here? |
| 11:12.27 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: you in a packaging mood? |
| 11:12.39 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h? |
| 11:12.39 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, sorry, I'm already packaging atm |
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| 11:12.44 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: alrightie |
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| 11:12.51 | GeneralAntilles | mumbles about focus bugs. |
| 11:13.47 | Stskeeps | really need a usb keyboard for his tablet. |
| 11:14.01 | Stskeeps | for those moments where laptop is out of reach |
| 11:14.09 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, are the TI-89/TI-92s feasible to emulate? |
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| 11:18.23 | aquatix | Stskeeps: bt keyboard not an option? |
| 11:18.32 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, it seems that this package takes long because compiling is long :/. What do you want me to do? |
| 11:21.06 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: nm, i got started on it :) |
| 11:21.16 | qwerty12 | cool :) |
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| 11:26.22 | Stskeeps | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS3887946599.html <- and why does the pandora take that long time shipping then |
| 11:26.50 | qwerty12 | Pandora is a elaborate con |
| 11:26.59 | timeless | s/ a / an / |
| 11:27.13 | qwerty12 | yessir |
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| 11:28.57 | RST38h | General: They are, but I am unlikely to get to them |
| 11:29.14 | RST38h | General: Had a question about your earlier comment on Maemo-name-whatever |
| 11:29.40 | RST38h | General: I *think* I am already defining the full desktop name in the config files. Is it something else? |
| 11:30.37 | RST38h | qwerty: Probably not. When you con people, your first concern is how to get away with it, hence low profile and low footprint on reality |
| 11:30.37 | qwerty12 | RST38h, it goes in your debian/control |
| 11:31.16 | qwerty12 | RST38h, s/a elaborate con/bullshit/ :) |
| 11:31.20 | RST38h | qwerty: ah |
| 11:31.32 | RST38h | qwerty: could you give me an example of that control line? |
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| 11:33.46 | qwerty12 | RST38h, here's one I'm doing now: http://pastebin.com/d1a48f59e - look at the last line. Because Maemo-Display-Name isn't an official debian field, you have to have [XSBC-] in front of Maemo-Display-Name or dh_gencontrol will not include that field in your final deb file. I'm using XB which means that it'll be included in my resulting deb file only |
| 11:34.23 | RST38h | found it |
| 11:35.03 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, when can I talk you into fleshing out this? http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_packaging |
| 11:35.48 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, I tried but I don't know what I can include there as the links pretty much describe everything :) |
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| 11:37.33 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, maybe more specific examples for the Maemo specific fields? |
| 11:38.17 | qwerty12 | Yeah, that sounds good |
| 11:39.00 | GeneralAntilles | Appropriate use of selection menu location, too. |
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| 11:56.29 | wazd | Aw, poor Bjorndalen ((( |
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| 12:08.43 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: btw, debmaster role - service function (ask question, get answer) or pointing out flaws continually in packaging, repository behaviour, etc? |
| 12:09.09 | Stskeeps | (think timeless type person in terms of packaging for the latter, not translations) ;) |
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| 12:14.22 | GeneralAntilles | Both |
| 12:14.33 | GeneralAntilles | Providing help for people who ask |
| 12:14.36 | GeneralAntilles | Seeking to help people who don't |
| 12:14.43 | GeneralAntilles | Working on infrastructure stuff like the autobuilder. |
| 12:15.31 | timeless | gan? |
| 12:15.44 | timeless | one fihs, two fish, red fish, blue fish |
| 12:15.49 | timeless | s/hs/sh/ |
| 12:16.02 | timeless | one lark, two larks |
| 12:16.09 | timeless | one fox, two foxes |
| 12:16.16 | timeless | one input, two ....? |
| 12:16.46 | timeless | actually, the real string involves mass nouns, not countables |
| 12:16.58 | timeless | <foopy's> behavior for handling unknown characters |
| 12:16.58 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:17.05 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:17.10 | timeless | input | inputs |
| 12:17.11 | timeless | ? |
| 12:17.27 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: alright, ta |
| 12:19.16 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: hmm, hildon application launcher doesn't really support stuff like %u and %f in .desktop files does it? |
| 12:19.25 | timeless | heh |
| 12:19.35 | timeless | %u doesn't work in general |
| 12:19.42 | timeless | people should forget it exists :) |
| 12:19.55 | Stskeeps | well, firefox uses it it seems :P |
| 12:20.03 | timeless | for the average case, a web browser will never decide to pass %u to something |
| 12:20.19 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, if you leave it in there, hildon-desktop just passes on %u and %f. It's up to the launched application if it ignore it or if it spits out a error saying " %u could not be found" |
| 12:20.27 | qwerty12 | s/ignore/ignores |
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| 12:21.05 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: k |
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| 12:28.10 | GeneralAntilles | timeless, what was that about h-a-m and incompatible application package? |
| 12:28.22 | timeless | um |
| 12:28.25 | timeless | frowns |
| 12:28.31 | timeless | got any more context? |
| 12:28.32 | GeneralAntilles | For the l10n stuff |
| 12:28.39 | GeneralAntilles | "jx" was complaining? |
| 12:28.39 | timeless | i'm currently rewriting hg help |
| 12:28.44 | timeless | oh right |
| 12:28.52 | timeless | he didn't like the Nokia disclaimer messages |
| 12:29.46 | GeneralAntilles | Who does? |
| 12:29.50 | johnx | is jx me or someone else who didn't like it? |
| 12:30.00 | timeless | jx is jX, not you |
| 12:30.03 | timeless | and he didn't like my string |
| 12:30.20 | GeneralAntilles | notices he hasn't emptied his trash in a while . . . recovers 20GB. |
| 12:30.33 | timeless | feeling there was probably a reason that nokia's lawyers forced the official string |
| 12:30.37 | timeless | 20? |
| 12:30.44 | timeless | how large is your disk? |
| 12:31.02 | GeneralAntilles | Um, which one(s)? |
| 12:31.10 | timeless | well, let's see |
| 12:31.15 | GeneralAntilles | My boot "disk" is a 600GB RAID 0 |
| 12:31.28 | timeless | my laptop is 55g (3g free) |
| 12:32.07 | GeneralAntilles | doesn't do laptops. |
| 12:32.48 | GeneralAntilles | I've got about 2.4TB of storage on this machine. |
| 12:33.12 | timeless | heck, konigsberg which hosts one of my mxr's has 90gb |
| 12:33.21 | timeless | and i ran it out of spacec a few days ago |
| 12:33.41 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, so why bothered about a whole 20gb? |
| 12:33.44 | GeneralAntilles | Would there be an advantage to hosting maemo.org's MXR on maemo.org? |
| 12:33.48 | timeless | swift has ~300-400gb iirc, and it has ~50gb free and owes someone another 100 |
| 12:33.50 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, because it's mostly full. :P |
| 12:33.51 | timeless | gan: no :) |
| 12:33.54 | lcuk | heh |
| 12:34.01 | timeless | dh hosts mxr.maemo.org |
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| 12:34.09 | timeless | konigsberg is for mozilla stuff |
| 12:34.18 | GeneralAntilles | When do we get Fremantle? |
| 12:34.27 | timeless | when i'm not sick for 3 days in a row |
| 12:34.39 | timeless | atm we're in the middle of setting up another box |
| 12:34.47 | timeless | but i was sick thursday+friday |
| 12:34.51 | GeneralAntilles | hands timeless a steamy bowl of chicken soup. |
| 12:35.00 | timeless | kosher w/ matzo balls? |
| 12:35.08 | GeneralAntilles | Sure, why not? |
| 12:35.16 | timeless | thanks :) |
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| 12:35.26 | GeneralAntilles | Howdy, gnuton. |
| 12:35.52 | lcuk | timeless, why didn't your virus checker block it? :D (i was just as bad, had man-flu :S) |
| 12:35.53 | gnuton | Hei GeneralAntilles:D |
| 12:36.16 | timeless | my systems haven't been working for months |
| 12:36.22 | timeless | and finnish doctors are useless |
| 12:36.44 | lbt | lcuk: hey... my turn :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPQ1VlyMPYU |
| 12:37.10 | gnuton | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:37.29 | lbt | not in your class smoothness wise - but easy to add to Qt apps... |
| 12:39.32 | lcuk | very nice lbt :) |
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| 12:39.50 | lcuk | likes whats left mode |
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| 12:40.14 | lbt | It needs a fanfare when the last item vanishes... |
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| 12:42.57 | lcuk | lol, i can see the funny looks already when you are walking round |
| 12:43.26 | lcuk | lbt, a proper animation like when you go bowling and they put one on for a strike |
| 12:43.33 | lcuk | let the users design custom anims : |
| 12:43.35 | lcuk | D) |
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| 12:44.25 | lbt | mmm - ringtones too |
| 12:45.00 | lbt | or messages from SWMBO .... "Right you're done - now get home and tidy up" |
| 12:45.27 | GeneralAntilles | Two- or three-column lists would be nice. |
| 12:45.52 | lbt | GA ? |
| 12:46.08 | lbt | it has a column to the right which is empty - for ad-hoc notes |
| 12:46.19 | lbt | like "get 2" or "orang pack" |
| 12:46.24 | lbt | orange |
| 12:46.35 | GeneralAntilles | Right, I don't use the notes column. |
| 12:46.47 | GeneralAntilles | I'd rather have that used for another column of notes. |
| 12:46.50 | GeneralAntilles | Less scrolling |
| 12:47.11 | lbt | fair enough... |
| 12:47.25 | lbt | I like that as an option |
| 12:47.37 | lbt | do you have the XRandR extension? |
| 12:47.49 | GeneralAntilles | It's bundled since Diablo. |
| 12:47.56 | lbt | the gtk version has a button that makes it go landscape |
| 12:48.04 | lbt | really? |
| 12:48.24 | lbt | hmm my RandR detection code is bust ;) |
| 12:48.48 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 12:49.00 | lbt | there *should* be a button that only appears on RandR enabled machines |
| 12:49.21 | lcuk | what if the user changes orientation outside the app |
| 12:49.28 | qwerty12_N800 | steal adv-backlight's code :p |
| 12:49.29 | lbt | if (XRRQueryExtension (dpy, &xrr_event_base, &xrr_error_base) == false |
| 12:49.34 | lcuk | fails at this himself so its to both of us ;) |
| 12:50.03 | lbt | Qt has events for external size changes |
| 12:50.21 | lbt | so long as you are packed and not pixel placed then you're fine |
| 12:51.30 | lcuk | uses a combination of both |
| 12:52.20 | lbt | in general the nested container approach is very flexible - pixels hurt |
| 12:53.01 | lcuk | nods |
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| 14:49.45 | b-man | hay StsN800 :) |
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| 15:04.36 | RST38h | yawns widely |
| 15:05.07 | johnx | so how's the weather over there? |
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| 15:06.17 | RST38h | -1..+1, wet snow |
| 15:06.28 | RST38h | lots of it though, looks pretty |
| 15:06.31 | johnx | eep. just turned to spring here it appears |
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| 15:06.44 | Macer | i wish it were spring here |
| 15:06.46 | johnx | given the temperature now I'm betting it will be a record breaking summer |
| 15:06.57 | Macer | it's 19 degrees now |
| 15:07.07 | RST38h | johnx: I have heard .jp summer is already as hot and humid as it gets? |
| 15:07.16 | RST38h | Macer: oF or oC? |
| 15:07.17 | Macer | hm. my esxi box is xfering at 60MB/s |
| 15:07.22 | Macer | F |
| 15:07.31 | wazd | we have fricking bunch of snow )) |
| 15:07.48 | wazd | I wonder where's my car now) |
| 15:08.06 | RST38h | Macer: That is -7oC, pretty decent |
| 15:08.20 | RST38h | wazd: You will find it tomorrow, unless it sinks =) |
| 15:08.45 | johnx | RST38h, kanto (Tokyo, Yokohama, etc) area summer is pretty similar to Virginia/Washington DC |
| 15:08.54 | RST38h | johnx: yeeek. |
| 15:09.24 | johnx | but it looks like I spoke too soon. Weather forecast says it'll be back down to 0c (!!) again by the end of the week |
| 15:09.31 | b-man | 26 F and sunny here :) |
| 15:09.36 | RST38h | absolutely, positively, definitely hates DC summer. Winter too, but to a lesser degree. |
| 15:09.47 | wazd | wants to crate a topic on ITT named "Aerobus A100 vs n810" |
| 15:10.04 | johnx | Warthog A10 vs N800? |
| 15:10.05 | RST38h | wazd: Oh, please do, in "Competition" forum! |
| 15:10.41 | johnx | mmm...steak fajita vs N800 |
| 15:10.49 | wazd | Boeing finishing works on it's brand new 897 model. Beware, Nokia! |
| 15:10.56 | *** join/#maemo Mace_ (i=mace@rancorous.net) |
| 15:11.08 | Mace_ | wtf |
| 15:11.12 | RST38h | We had just about anything else in Competition by now |
| 15:11.16 | Mace_ | that keeps happening and it's starting to piss me off |
| 15:11.18 | StsN800 | or the most difficult one.. bacon vs tablet |
| 15:11.28 | RST38h | iphones, netbooks, nameless chinese mids, you name it |
| 15:11.28 | johnx | if Nokia doesn't make an announcement soon they'll lose sales in the passenger airline segment |
| 15:11.58 | b-man | StsN800: lol |
| 15:12.01 | wazd | and boeing has TWO 17" screens! |
| 15:12.22 | RST38h | wazd: and a freaking jet engine that Nokia will NEVER put into their tablet |
| 15:12.37 | RST38h | kinda remembers Boeing not having a GPS though |
| 15:12.44 | StsN800 | and passenger seat PMPs.. |
| 15:13.00 | johnx | some people say the boeing isn't pocketable but it's ok because I carry an airplane hanger everyplace I go |
| 15:13.18 | johnx | s/hanger/hangar ... thought that looked off |
| 15:13.21 | wazd | johnx: pocketable things are for sissies |
| 15:13.43 | RST38h | johnx: that is only because it needs bigger batteries though |
| 15:14.26 | lcuk | johnx, its not the hangar that worries me, its having to show me passport and get scanned before powering up canola |
| 15:14.29 | johnx | but 897 is kind of a low number compared to the N900 |
| 15:14.40 | wazd | RST38h: there's no linux driver for jet engine so I think that's the bottleneck :) |
| 15:14.57 | RST38h | Wait wait |
| 15:15.11 | lcuk | wazd, there was once an open source jet engine, but it was a bit of a flop |
| 15:15.15 | RST38h | Boeing does not come with slide out keyboard! Only food trays! |
| 15:15.24 | johnx | guys, I need to make a decision by tomorrow: which is faster? Boeing 897 or Nokia N900? |
| 15:15.26 | lcuk | open tracy, receive bacon |
| 15:15.29 | lcuk | tray |
| 15:15.46 | lcuk | ffs freudian slip |
| 15:16.13 | wazd | lcuk: aha, thats how you earn your bacon)) |
| 15:16.21 | StsN800 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26884 , wtf |
| 15:17.14 | StsN800 | 'n8x0 ruined my relationship' :P |
| 15:17.48 | Mace_ | hahaha |
| 15:17.56 | johnx | haha! actually I had the opposite thing going. Vagalume/last.fm was picking only songs that I really loved...but I'm not sure how it knows that I like them. I never really fed it much info |
| 15:19.04 | Mace_ | mind melding through the headphones |
| 15:19.12 | StsN800 | my tablet is the modern equivalent of a vinyl player with romantic music like in the old movies |
| 15:19.18 | Mace_ | like the dawson's creek trapper keeper 3000 |
| 15:19.56 | johnx | mine is the modern equivalent of a pocketable linux-based, color screened internet radio w/ web browser...oh wait |
| 15:20.35 | Mace_ | sounds like my G1 |
| 15:20.35 | RST38h | calls his "my precioussss" |
| 15:20.37 | Mace_ | :) |
| 15:20.38 | lcuk | johnx, the mic exists for a reason |
| 15:21.16 | johnx | did anyone try lxnm on mer? |
| 15:21.29 | StsN800 | hmm, no |
| 15:21.33 | StsN800 | wassat? |
| 15:21.40 | johnx | it claims to be a 'lightweight network manager' |
| 15:21.48 | johnx | I assume it originally went with lxde |
| 15:21.54 | Mace_ | StsN800: are you sure you don't need this box? |
| 15:22.01 | timelE61i | Johnx: hardware you can't have today or hardware you could buy yesterday? |
| 15:22.07 | Mace_ | i'm backing it up to my fileserver now |
| 15:22.11 | StsN800 | Mace_, go ahead |
| 15:22.24 | Mace_ | will you need it later or something? |
| 15:22.27 | johnx | timelE61i, that it's the modern equivalent of itself :) |
| 15:23.07 | timelE61i | or is the n97 also vaporware? |
| 15:23.14 | Mace_ | i'll keep it on my fileserver for a while in case you ever need it... but i'm sure in about 6 months it will have depreciated |
| 15:23.29 | RST38h | BTW, while looking for LXNM, I have found this: http://v1.moblin.org/projects/projects_moblin-applets.php |
| 15:23.45 | StsN800 | Mace_, as i said, content is deprecated atm too |
| 15:23.50 | RST38h | Sts: Given that Nokia's applets are closed source, will these do? |
| 15:24.07 | Mace_ | ok well.. if you ever need another box then.. let me know |
| 15:24.49 | StsN800 | RST38h, hmm, looks interesting |
| 15:25.06 | johnx | timelE61i, I never said it was. Are you saying it is? |
| 15:25.15 | Macer | shit this intel server card is so much faster than the onboard crap NIC mboards use |
| 15:25.38 | Macer | nvidia and marvell yukons... what garbage |
| 15:25.44 | GeneralAntilles | My new pet theory is that the next tablet is going to turn out to be a rebranded iPhone. |
| 15:26.05 | Macer | GeneralAntilles: more like a skype phone |
| 15:26.23 | wazd | Bjorndalen is a winner again! Whoray!) |
| 15:26.31 | StsN800 | my conspiracy theory is next tablet is multiple tablets |
| 15:26.32 | Macer | the utms modem will be great for making a skype acct and raping your wireless providers net access |
| 15:26.40 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, losing the faith? |
| 15:26.53 | GeneralAntilles | Macer, that theory isn't funny at all. |
| 15:26.59 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, no, I'm just bored and want new hardware. :P |
| 15:27.07 | Macer | i wasn't being funny |
| 15:27.23 | RST38h | General: iPhone? No, never |
| 15:27.28 | GeneralAntilles | Macer, I was, which is why your followup sucked. :P |
| 15:27.31 | Macer | if my n800 had a utms modem in it.. i would just get the cheapest unlimited net plan i could use.. an earpiece.. and use skype |
| 15:27.36 | RST38h | General: It will be a rebranded Toshiba Gigabeat, running Linux =) |
| 15:27.36 | RST38h | ~ |
| 15:27.55 | johnx | me too :/ it's spring and 2 years after my last major gadget purchase and I've developed the wanderlust and a horrible gadget craving |
| 15:28.11 | Macer | wow.. that would make it an iphone :-\ |
| 15:28.33 | Macer | that's it. i'm buying intel NICs for everything i have here |
| 15:28.35 | t_s_o | lcuk: what a sense of humor you have :P |
| 15:28.42 | Macer | this thing is flying.. 65MB/s |
| 15:28.50 | Macer | compared to the shitty 30MB/s i get from the onboard stuff |
| 15:28.50 | RST38h | is amazed how everyone misses a point that the "next tablet" has already been released |
| 15:29.18 | Macer | RST38h: 3G iphone? |
| 15:29.19 | johnx | RST38h, the N810WE? |
| 15:29.20 | StsN800 | RST38h, n97=rx-51? |
| 15:29.20 | Macer | grins |
| 15:29.23 | RST38h | Nokia 5800 |
| 15:29.42 | RST38h | for all effective purposes, it does the same things as N8x0 |
| 15:29.55 | johnx | except any of the things I care about |
| 15:30.05 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 15:30.08 | RST38h | johnx: Well...mhmm... |
| 15:30.14 | johnx | this manhole cover is exactly like a pizza! |
| 15:30.19 | johnx | look, look! |
| 15:30.21 | GeneralAntilles | It's also not actually available for me yet. |
| 15:30.38 | RST38h | General: All over the place here |
| 15:30.39 | wazd | btw. http://events.nokia.com/mwc/home.htm |
| 15:30.45 | GeneralAntilles | Also: it's slower than the current tablets. |
| 15:30.53 | wazd | streaming of Nokia events on WMC |
| 15:31.02 | Macer | and it runs symbian :) |
| 15:31.03 | RST38h | General: general users do not care really |
| 15:31.12 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, yes, but we're not talking about general users. |
| 15:31.14 | RST38h | runs symbian, slower, smaller screen, etc |
| 15:31.19 | GeneralAntilles | We're talking about the people in this room who care about a new tablet. |
| 15:31.23 | GeneralAntilles | For them, the 5800 is not that. |
| 15:31.24 | RST38h | General: But nokia is, I guess |
| 15:31.32 | lcuk | how is it slower? |
| 15:31.34 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, so I don't know what your point is. |
| 15:31.37 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, slower CPU |
| 15:31.49 | wazd | lcuk: well, 5800 is not a speed demon) |
| 15:31.49 | lcuk | but from a users POV, how is it slower? |
| 15:31.57 | GeneralAntilles | sighs. |
| 15:32.04 | wazd | lcuk: browser is way slower |
| 15:32.06 | RST38h | General: my point is that from Nokia marketing pov, they have got "the next tablet" released |
| 15:32.26 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, this is #maemo. |
| 15:32.28 | johnx | thanks for your point. moving on... |
| 15:32.30 | qwerty12_N800 | Symbian also comes with its signing shit which Maemo doesn't have |
| 15:32.45 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: this is #sparta :) |
| 15:33.00 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, if only. |
| 15:33.03 | StsN800 | no, #bacon |
| 15:33.12 | Macer | haha |
| 15:33.12 | GeneralAntilles | Then I could kick everyone trying to make strange irrelevant point into a well. |
| 15:33.17 | RST38h | General: still worth keeping in mind that we ain't the target audience for Nokia products |
| 15:33.37 | Macer | it's ok! Mer will keep it all going! |
| 15:34.07 | StsN800 | we should have named Mer BaconOS |
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| 15:34.12 | Macer | no point in rushing things.. they will release a new maemo tablet when they do |
| 15:34.22 | johnx | ah crap! I thought I was the only one Nokia cared about! have they been cheating on me this whole time? *kries* |
| 15:34.22 | Macer | StsN800: yeah.. you sure messed that one up :) |
| 15:34.27 | Macer | BaconOS would have been way better |
| 15:34.30 | wazd | You know what? |
| 15:34.39 | Macer | you could have even acronymed the bacon part |
| 15:34.42 | wazd | Screw you guys, I'm going home) |
| 15:34.57 | Macer | heh |
| 15:35.04 | wazd | gone for food |
| 15:35.08 | Macer | speaking of nokia. i still need to get a new encasing for my n95 |
| 15:35.09 | johnx | wazd, thanks for the link :) |
| 15:35.27 | Macer | crap.. i should have done it already but i needed the tools and i don' think the kit is saw came with them |
| 15:35.32 | Macer | that little guitar pic looking thing |
| 15:35.36 | Macer | that rips the side off |
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| 15:36.08 | mrguserwqqq | kicks mirggi |
| 15:36.21 | lcuk | remembers it lookin a bit quicker |
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| 15:36.40 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, wazd you are right |
| 15:36.52 | lcuk | has rose tinted glasses |
| 15:41.58 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, it also worth keeping in mind that Symbian strategy doesn't really have a whole lot to do with Maemo strategy. |
| 15:42.08 | johnx | ...yet |
| 15:42.51 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, well, certainly. |
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| 15:43.27 | GeneralAntilles | For the time being I'm trying to address the slightly random argument about the 5800, though. :P |
| 15:43.27 | johnx | OTOH it's clear that Maemo strategy and Symbian strategy are closer than they were 3-4 years ago |
| 15:43.51 | johnx | the point of the argument was to get people to jump into the argument :) |
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| 15:45.11 | Macer | i really need my ice genie for this shuttle k45 |
| 15:45.14 | lcuk | why havent people tried to put maemo onto 5800? is symbian still locked up |
| 15:45.28 | Macer | i hate waiting on shit to get here... why hasn't someone invented a teleporter yet? |
| 15:45.56 | GeneralAntilles | Macer, there's probably enough cold left to pull a Cartman. |
| 15:45.59 | lcuk | they have macer, they are waiting for your bank account to get large enough before starting the advertising campaign |
| 15:46.04 | johnx | lcuk, that's actually a somewhat interesting question. There's a certain equation that determines the likeliness of a linux port to a platform |
| 15:46.28 | lcuk | well of all the devices i really wouldv expected something sooner |
| 15:46.34 | GeneralAntilles | Does that Qualcomm SoC have any Linux support? |
| 15:46.47 | lcuk | i know the kind of stuff ive been writing will sit on a device like that quite nicely |
| 15:46.56 | timelE61i | sorry |
| 15:47.01 | johnx | lcuk, there are more iphones in the wild than 5800s and the linux port for them is positively embryonic |
| 15:47.04 | timelE61i | My phone/irc client died |
| 15:47.25 | Macer | this shuttle doesn't come with enough cooling stock |
| 15:47.25 | lcuk | johnx, but we have symbian open os dont we - ie we arent fighting a closed battle? |
| 15:47.28 | timelE61i | Basically anything i've never seen in stores is vaporware as far as i'm concerned |
| 15:47.49 | Macer | especially considering that i had to replace the dying psu with its shitty cooling fan that died on me with a picoPSU |
| 15:47.51 | timelE61i | Lcuk: symbian open is a promise, not an accomplishment |
| 15:48.26 | Macer | the intel stock cooler can't keep up with it |
| 15:48.54 | timelE61i | in a few years you'll be able to look at the symbian source and say "eww, gross" : |
| 15:48.56 | timelE61i | :) |
| 15:49.02 | RST38h | General: about symbian vs maemo strategy: this is what I am worried about |
| 15:49.05 | GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, don't corrupt the definition of vaporware like that. |
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| 15:49.35 | RST38h | General: In a [financial] pinch, Symbian has the potential to steamroll Maemo into the ground |
| 15:49.37 | timelE61i | aww, i need a new word then |
| 15:49.41 | timelE61i | Promiseware? |
| 15:50.05 | Macer | my stock intel fan is running so fast that i think it's going to start flying |
| 15:50.28 | timelE61i | Imagine palm makes a promise of webos today |
| 15:50.29 | Macer | and it is making this buzzing noise.. probably because it has to keep spinning retarded fast to keep up with the cpu in such a small enclosure |
| 15:50.37 | timelE61i | And goes out of business tomorrow |
| 15:50.39 | RST38h | read "stock intel fan" and thought "Atom"? =) |
| 15:50.45 | timelE61i | Do you get webos in june? |
| 15:50.49 | lcuk | Macer, underclock |
| 15:51.00 | Macer | lcuk: yeah.. i might have to until my ice genie gets here |
| 15:51.15 | Macer | i'm going to melt the mboard if it keeps up like this |
| 15:51.56 | RST38h | BTW, just came: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/02/sony-ericsson-reese.jpg |
| 15:52.06 | lcuk | Macer, is this in normal desktop running? or are you hammering it playing games |
| 15:52.10 | timelE61i | fwiw, the n800 has an error message for when it decides to kill itself if it detects it's overheating |
| 15:52.30 | Macer | lcuk: normal desktop.. but it's usually under heavy use |
| 15:52.41 | timelE61i | (slightly less offtopic) |
| 15:52.57 | timelE61i | That's one error message i hope no one ever sees |
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| 15:53.09 | Macer | i have an ice genie on the way though. small water cooling kit from shuttle |
| 15:53.33 | Macer | draws heat from the entire box also.. so that should help quite a bit.. and the fan is a lot more quiet than this intel stock fan |
| 15:53.45 | johnx | timelE61i, I think vaporware should only be used for the most vaporous of promises. liquid/semi-solid and solidware could be used in different discussions. I've already heard people talk about various products 'condensing' into existence as more leaked photos show up |
| 15:53.47 | lcuk | timelE61i, never came up when i kept mine charging in an wooden enclosure all day long (well, i never saw it when i pulled it out, but the whole device was uncomfortably hot to touch |
| 15:53.56 | Macer | i'm actually more excited to get my artigo to put debian or kubuntu on |
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| 15:54.09 | Macer | i really want to see how well the C7 performs |
| 15:54.23 | timelE61i | lcuk: i'm not encouraging people to test this message! |
| 15:54.36 | lcuk | i cursed myself for it as well ;) |
| 15:54.41 | timelE61i | I didn't search to see if the codepath was connected |
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| 15:56.07 | johnx | timelE61i, I'm guessing it's not or isn't reachable before damage is potentially done to other components |
| 15:56.41 | lcuk | would personally prefer a shutdown if too hot |
| 15:56.53 | lcuk | "phew, its getting warm" |
| 15:57.01 | lcuk | "omg, open the window" |
| 15:57.09 | lcuk | "arghhhhhhh its burning" |
| 15:57.29 | johnx | lcuk, http://pastebin.ca/1338043 <- ways to predict whether a device will ever have a linux port |
| 15:57.37 | johnx | not really in order of importance |
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| 16:00.56 | lcuk | yeah johnx, you missed one though: 7) is there anyone bored enough to hack it |
| 16:01.22 | johnx | that goes with common/popular and cheap |
| 16:02.21 | johnx | aaah! I missed a really big one though: Is it a type of device that the user/hacker/porter can afford to leave in a non-working state for potentially extended periods of time |
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| 16:02.50 | johnx | it's this last one which I think lets the air out of lots of porting attempts to phones |
| 16:02.54 | lcuk | johnx, there were people buying hardware to stand outside the shop and destroy it |
| 16:03.07 | lcuk | screensize and limited use puts people off |
| 16:03.19 | johnx | keyboard is bigger than screensize |
| 16:03.33 | johnx | limited use seems to be only marginally important |
| 16:04.37 | johnx | and the people who destroy devices outside stores are in an entirely separate, disconnected circle of the diagram from people who port linux to things |
| 16:05.17 | johnx | damn...didn't pay attention and my install of network-manager-gnome just accidentally brought in samba and cups :( |
| 16:05.43 | lcuk | on device? |
| 16:05.47 | johnx | zaurus |
| 16:06.02 | lcuk | cool |
| 16:09.45 | johnx | except now I'm wasting xxMB/64MB of RAM running cupsd :/ |
| 16:10.33 | RST38h | johnx: you should now connect a printer. |
| 16:10.41 | johnx | I don't own one |
| 16:10.43 | johnx | it's quite nice |
| 16:11.23 | johnx | I don't have the room to spare for quaint passtimes like 'printing' or 'starting a DVD collection' |
| 16:12.43 | RST38h | starting a dvd collection is stupid |
| 16:13.27 | johnx | I would lump 'printing' in with that category in about 4/5 situations when it's commonly employed |
| 16:14.28 | johnx | such as 'let me print you a shopping list' 'let me hand you a printout of this webpage' (<- this happens to me), 'let me print the email he/she sent' 'let's print a map!' |
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| 16:15.19 | RST38h | prints maps |
| 16:15.20 | Stskeeps | johnx: i stopped printing maps. i now print maps to pdf, which are put on my tablet. and now i have a data plan, i skip the pdf part. |
| 16:15.24 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:15.28 | RST38h | even prints source code for later inspection |
| 16:15.33 | johnx | Stskeeps++ RST38h-- |
| 16:16.20 | RST38h | finds reading remains of dead trees oddly relaxing |
| 16:16.21 | Stskeeps | i protested my TAs decision not to accept PDF files by e-mail by printing him a xournal-exported pdf on a color printer and giving it to him. |
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| 16:16.31 | johnx | RST38h, just tell me you don't hand people 15 stapled pages and tell them 'I found this website you might be interested in so I printed for you.' |
| 16:16.43 | RST38h | Sts: Did he pay for the ink? |
| 16:16.50 | Stskeeps | RST38h: indirectly maybe |
| 16:16.55 | RST38h | johnx: I do not hand people websites |
| 16:17.13 | wazd_n800 | I've found cool site |
| 16:17.18 | wazd_n800 | wikipedia.org |
| 16:17.26 | RST38h | have you printed it all? =) |
| 16:17.33 | wazd_n800 | so I've printed it for you |
| 16:17.34 | johnx | wazd, now that would actually be fun to have a printout of |
| 16:17.57 | RST38h | Well, gentlemen... http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/printed_wikipedia_now_available.php |
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| 16:19.08 | johnx | there's something about printing it off a nice small-medium laser printer and stapling every article that makes a difference though :) |
| 16:19.24 | wazd_n800 | There's some bible chapter happening on the streets right now |
| 16:19.35 | RST38h | wazd: ? |
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| 16:20.24 | johnx | I remember my friend printed the FreeBSD handbook to use up his (paid for) semester printing allotment... |
| 16:20.39 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 16:20.49 | Stskeeps | we have free print at the faculty now |
| 16:20.58 | RST38h | did not have an allotment |
| 16:21.02 | Stskeeps | it got too expensive handling paying compared to just giving free print :P |
| 16:21.09 | johnx | RST38h, we had a fee to provide it |
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| 16:21.12 | johnx | a steep fee |
| 16:21.14 | RST38h | Never really overused the printers though |
| 16:21.28 | RST38h | johnx: I was a TA, then an RA, you your fee provided for me =) |
| 16:21.29 | johnx | I'm sure he wouldn't have done it if he hadn't been charged already |
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| 16:21.52 | RST38h | s/you/so/ |
| 16:21.55 | johnx | RST38h, the fee paid you to ignore the bottle of everclear being passed around the freshmen floor |
| 16:22.13 | Macer | hm. sould have seriously put a larger disk in this box |
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| 16:22.32 | johnx | Macer, like one of those 5.25" ones? or you thinking 8"? |
| 16:22.38 | RST38h | johnx: Ah, dorms weren't our responsibility =) |
| 16:22.52 | Stskeeps | seperation of state and dorms is excellent |
| 16:22.53 | johnx | RA != dorm? |
| 16:22.59 | Stskeeps | research assistant |
| 16:23.01 | Macer | heh |
| 16:23.02 | Stskeeps | probably |
| 16:23.03 | johnx | aaaah |
| 16:23.03 | RST38h | johnx: RA = research assistant |
| 16:23.05 | johnx | the other RA |
| 16:23.06 | Macer | meant a larger hard drive |
| 16:23.17 | johnx | Macer, so did I :> |
| 16:23.33 | Macer | :) touche |
| 16:23.38 | johnx | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_Bigfoot |
| 16:23.50 | Macer | wow.. a bigfoot |
| 16:23.59 | Macer | hey.. they were cheap and big :) |
| 16:24.00 | Macer | haha |
| 16:24.03 | GeneralAntilles | found a 5.25" hard drive in a 2001 Compaq one time. |
| 16:25.37 | Macer | i never had a bigfoot die on me |
| 16:25.43 | Macer | i can give them that much at least |
| 16:25.54 | Macer | i don't think it would even break if you threw it into a wall :) |
| 16:26.16 | Macer | it was a hard drive/armed combat weapon |
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| 16:26.54 | Stskeeps | "tablets: usable as weapons?" |
| 16:27.01 | Macer | GeneralAntilles: have you ever seen like.. the REAL OLD hard drives? |
| 16:27.10 | Macer | i mean the ones with like an 18" platter? :) |
| 16:27.26 | Macer | 5MB 12" platter drives and shit like that |
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| 16:28.47 | GeneralAntilles | Macer, in a museum somewhere. |
| 16:29.14 | Stskeeps | tries out .. snap10 |
| 16:29.22 | Stskeeps | jesus, too many snaps to get things right this time |
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| 16:31.30 | RST38h | has seen lots of real old harddrives and even used a platter from one as a kitchen gong |
| 16:32.22 | qwerty12 | neodymium magnets ftw |
| 16:32.27 | RST38h | 10"+ aluminium platter |
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| 16:33.27 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, releasing 0.8? |
| 16:33.30 | oli | some guy from polish electronics board made a hdd with plexi window and blue LED's inside... |
| 16:33.53 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: yeah, tomorrow - i have hardly been at my laptop and there are a few things we want to fix just yet.. |
| 16:33.58 | oli | after few days he got enough bad sectors to put that hdd in trash ;p |
| 16:34.25 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, good luck. i'm still stuck with unbuildable pygtk. |
| 16:34.28 | johnx | oli, if you do that you have to do it a cleanroom... |
| 16:35.04 | Macer | you just have to love the way vista gives you absolutely no time eta on disk defragmentation |
| 16:35.11 | RST38h | crazy poles... |
| 16:35.18 | oli | johnx: I know that, every piece of dust is a high risk :) but that guy probably doesn't :) |
| 16:35.18 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: oh, pygtk is a bloody nightmare |
| 16:35.26 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: is it pygtk on top of maemo gtk? |
| 16:35.40 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, nope, both vanilla |
| 16:35.48 | Stskeeps | oh, then it is probably similar |
| 16:35.48 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:36.29 | oli | there was also other guy who tried to stick new PCI-E graphics into AGP, people adviced him to cut the gold part of cart so it could fit... |
| 16:36.45 | qwerty12 | >.< |
| 16:37.17 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, gcc enters endless (?) loop while building gtk.c. it should take less than a minute, but it compiled for a day and didn't finish. tried different pygtk versions, still no luck. gonna build gcc-4.3, maybe it'll help. |
| 16:38.17 | oli | RST38h: http://obrazki.elektroda.net/77_1184541824.jpg |
| 16:38.21 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: you are aware that pygtk goes through several iterations of the same files, right? |
| 16:38.35 | Stskeeps | same / it updates the missing coverage stuff |
| 16:39.04 | Stskeeps | until it reaches 100% coverage or something |
| 16:39.20 | jeremiah | debian has added support for armel with the lenny release, I wonder what this effect this will have on Maemo? |
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| 16:39.49 | jeremiah | I suppose it means that at the very least debian packages for that architecture are going to |
| 16:39.54 | jeremiah | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:40.00 | jeremiah | Since they have been tested a bit. |
| 16:40.04 | Stskeeps | jeremiah: not much really. it caused johnx's debian, then me and johnxs deblet and then mer.. |
| 16:40.06 | slonopotamus_ | Stskeeps, it runs single gcc command for a day |
| 16:40.31 | slonopotamus_ | Stskeeps, i simply got tired of waiting |
| 16:40.39 | jeremiah | Stskeeps: deblet? What's that? |
| 16:40.50 | slonopotamus_ | Stskeeps, all other files built in reasonable time |
| 16:41.07 | Stskeeps | jeremiah: deblet was a more kosher distribution of debian for the nokia tablets |
| 16:41.13 | Stskeeps | mer's older brother |
| 16:41.28 | jeremiah | Stskeeps: Ah! Cool. Mer sounds fun, I have to check it out a bit more. |
| 16:41.28 | Stskeeps | (we have been playing with debian-armel for ages now :P) |
| 16:41.48 | oli | will mer always use hildon-desktop? :> |
| 16:41.55 | Stskeeps | oli: people are using mer and lxde.. |
| 16:42.06 | jeremiah | Stskeeps: Okay. Do you guys push stuff back upsteam? Like up to debian? |
| 16:42.15 | slonopotamus_ | hehe |
| 16:42.36 | RST38h | oli: looks mightty pretty though |
| 16:42.40 | Stskeeps | jeremiah: so far we don't have much that is worth pushing, but 0xffff package have been pushed :P |
| 16:42.47 | jeremiah | cool |
| 16:42.50 | oli | Stskeeps: ok, i don't ask anymore, just going for a >4gb SD :) |
| 16:43.01 | oli | RST38h: it's 2GB hdd |
| 16:43.14 | jeremiah | reads the mer website |
| 16:43.15 | Stskeeps | jeremiah: with Mer we are trying to push to Maemo when we can.. |
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| 16:43.21 | johnx | also, a lot of the things we're doing in mer are because they don't really fit into debian or ubuntu in a sane way |
| 16:43.52 | Stskeeps | yeah.. i see mer as a middle point between OE/emdebian, maemo, and desktop distributions |
| 16:43.59 | slonopotamus_ | johnx, insane things? :) |
| 16:44.00 | johnx | for example we use Nokia's patched version of gtk+, but we already know that Ubuntu, Debian and upstream gtk+ don't want most of those patches |
| 16:44.16 | jeremiah | Very, very interesting. |
| 16:44.17 | Stskeeps | but nokia's patched version makes perfect sense on mobile devices, for instance |
| 16:44.21 | johnx | slonopotamus, for middling values for insane |
| 16:44.41 | jeremiah | Wow, so it is just you two guys supporting the whole distro? |
| 16:44.46 | jeremiah | That is a lot of work. |
| 16:44.49 | Macer | goddamn tropic thunder cracks me up |
| 16:44.53 | Stskeeps | nah, look at the people's list |
| 16:44.58 | Stskeeps | people are doing different kind of work |
| 16:45.10 | jeremiah | okay |
| 16:45.11 | b-man | is maintaining merinstaller |
| 16:45.13 | johnx | and also a lot comes from ubuntu and maemo |
| 16:45.31 | Stskeeps | and the code drops from fremantle pre-alphas are great, so |
| 16:45.40 | jeremiah | Hmm, so real community is building up behind it. |
| 16:45.45 | jeremiah | good stuff |
| 16:45.56 | b-man | yup :) |
| 16:46.14 | Stskeeps | 0.8 comes out tomorrow.. take it for a swing in virtualbox, qemu or vmware :) |
| 16:46.16 | johnx | it's in everyone's enlightened self interest after all :) |
| 16:46.32 | Stskeeps | especially since Maemo 5 doesn't come for N8x0. |
| 16:46.38 | johnx | is applying that keyboard/enter fix finally ... |
| 16:46.39 | jeremiah | that is excellent. Well, I hope to contribute to because a vibrant eco system is a Good Thing |
| 16:46.54 | Stskeeps | jeremiah: we'll be asking a lot of crazy questions probably :P |
| 16:47.12 | Stskeeps | is a novice in debian packaging but has a good sense of architecture and ideas.. :P |
| 16:47.16 | jeremiah | Fire away whenever, I hope to put up some contact info on the wiki |
| 16:47.24 | Stskeeps | johnx: woo |
| 16:47.39 | jeremiah | Stskeeps: You'll learn the packaging bit quickly, the other parts are what matters. |
| 16:48.10 | qwerty12 | has more fun packaging games then actually playing them :/ |
| 16:48.12 | Stskeeps | yeah, would be a shame if i didn't learn a little bit by getting a comp.sci degree.. :P |
| 16:48.22 | jeremiah | heh |
| 16:48.31 | johnx | Stskeeps, for now it can just be a boot thing I guess, but how do you feel about including dbus-scripts daemon into mer for some lightweight/misc event handling? |
| 16:48.40 | Stskeeps | johnx: what is dbus-scripts again? |
| 16:49.03 | Stskeeps | jeremiah: for scary facts - i'm chatting to you from Mer on a laptop, with the hildon environment.. in osso-xterm, on x86. |
| 16:49.05 | johnx | Stskeeps, it listens for dbus events and launches scripts/programs passing the dbus message as an argument |
| 16:49.08 | Stskeeps | that is what makes mer truely interesting |
| 16:49.44 | jeremiah | Stskeeps: You mean that it can be a laptop-like OS and a tablet OS? |
| 16:50.04 | Stskeeps | jeremiah: it can be a netbook os, tablet os, mobile phone OS.. maemo everywhere :> |
| 16:50.09 | Stskeeps | i even had it on a Pocket Loox 720 PDA. |
| 16:50.20 | johnx | but it's still using hildon-desktop on all those machines |
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| 16:50.45 | Stskeeps | we even have it on the beagleboard too :P |
| 16:50.50 | jeremiah | So you get the same "look and feel" |
| 16:50.52 | jeremiah | nice |
| 16:50.54 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 16:51.11 | Stskeeps | if you develop stuff for mer on x86, it most likely (.. some exceptions), builds for the other architectures too |
| 16:51.29 | Stskeeps | so you can try your applications for the maemo platform as they are, directly in your machine or virtual machine |
| 16:51.44 | jeremiah | Nice. |
| 16:52.01 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, package up PokerTH |
| 16:52.06 | jeremiah | I love using VMs so I am definitely going to download mer |
| 16:52.25 | RST38h | qwerty: yes, please =) |
| 16:52.33 | Stskeeps | so we'll see where this leads.. it was the choice between maintaining a backport and patching diablo firmware images.. or doing something radical to the maemo platform |
| 16:52.34 | Macer | i still can't believe that is robert downey jr. as the black dude |
| 16:52.37 | Stskeeps | guess which was more fun :> |
| 16:52.38 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, I think mikkov_ has his eye on that looking at the thanks counter and he's a LOT better than me so I'll wait... |
| 16:52.48 | Macer | when i first saw this i had no idea :) |
| 16:53.05 | Macer | "I don't break character until I'm done with the DVD commentary!" |
| 16:53.13 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, I keep telling Firebird I'll refer him to somebody to help him package it up, but he keeps putting up roadblocks. |
| 16:53.22 | Stskeeps | jeremiah: so, now on mer - instead of maintaining a horrible port of most things.. apt-get install firefox, apt-get install abiword, .. etc |
| 16:53.34 | Stskeeps | and it just works |
| 16:54.02 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, odd, he responded well to the source request :/ |
| 16:54.09 | johnx | and it just works as well as a non-hildonized app can |
| 16:54.25 | johnx | but often when you need a specific app an 80% solution is good enough |
| 16:54.45 | jeremiah | Do KDE apps pose problems? |
| 16:54.46 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, well, I've been friends with him for a while. |
| 16:54.53 | jeremiah | Say vs. Gnome apps |
| 16:54.54 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, he's just being lazy or something. |
| 16:54.58 | qwerty12 | hehe |
| 16:55.24 | johnx | jeremiah, they shouldn't and yet...testing is welcome :) |
| 16:55.35 | Stskeeps | jeremiah: i honestly didn't try yet. but we will probably also look at Qt for Maemo so |
| 16:55.44 | Stskeeps | so it adapts a similar look |
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| 16:55.55 | slonopotamus_ | i wanna see how you'll hildonize qt apps |
| 16:56.04 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus_: Qt handles it itself afaik |
| 16:56.12 | Stskeeps | most of it, at least |
| 16:56.16 | slonopotamus_ | ? |
| 16:56.20 | qwerty12 | slonopotamus_, maemo qt does automatic hildonizing (to the best it can do anyway) |
| 16:56.21 | johnx | slonopotamus, check out some screenshots on the qt for maemo page |
| 16:56.33 | slonopotamus_ | oh my. |
| 16:56.44 | slonopotamus_ | maemo qt, maemo gtk |
| 16:57.20 | johnx | slonopotamus, join us and we can rule the galaxy together! *shakes fist* |
| 16:57.27 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus_: if its API and ABI compatible with normal gtk, who cares? :P |
| 16:57.31 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.39 | jeremiah | yeah, Qt is pretty rockin. |
| 16:57.59 | Stskeeps | qt 4 maemo is (honestly) how maemo gtk ought to have been |
| 16:58.17 | johnx | I wonder if there were technical limitations in gtk |
| 16:58.29 | johnx | I know that something similar was done for qtopia |
| 16:58.48 | jeremiah | Nokia owns Qt don't they? They bought Trolltech and Trolltech produces Qt. |
| 16:58.52 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 16:58.59 | Stskeeps | now they do, back then they didn't |
| 16:59.07 | qwerty12 | hildon doesn't really help when it expects GTK_MENU to be returned for the menu rather than GTK_MENUBAR |
| 17:00.10 | johnx | Stskeeps, /apps/osso/inputmethod/keyboardavailable is false by default, correct? |
| 17:00.45 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, /root/cx3110x-module-src-2.0.15/src/sm_drv_spi.c:39:26: error: linux/config.h: No such file or directory while trying to build cx3110x-module. any hints? |
| 17:01.14 | Stskeeps | johnx: correct, and it is keyboard_available |
| 17:01.18 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: compile kernel first |
| 17:01.24 | johnx | ah |
| 17:01.31 | johnx | I picked the wrong line of yours to copy :) |
| 17:01.33 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, it's compiled |
| 17:01.40 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, yesterday |
| 17:01.58 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, ~100 minutes for maemo vanilla kernel, btw. |
| 17:02.16 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: natively? ok |
| 17:02.25 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, yep, on device |
| 17:02.50 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: well. i think cross-compilation acceleration like scratchbox can be neat, but it shouldn't be a requirement.. |
| 17:03.00 | Stskeeps | it should be kinda like DISTCCing to a cross-compiler instead |
| 17:03.14 | Stskeeps | (did you ever try that?) |
| 17:03.23 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, why 'kinda'? why not use distcc? |
| 17:03.33 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: well, we did for deblet initially |
| 17:03.52 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: cos we never had scratchbox |
| 17:04.25 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, got problems with this setup? |
| 17:04.36 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: with DISTCC? occasionally |
| 17:04.52 | Stskeeps | but there was probably a lot of factors to it |
| 17:04.59 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, more often than with sb? :) |
| 17:05.06 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: touche |
| 17:05.47 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, hehe. i still can't understand. there's qemu inside scratchbox? or cross-compiler? |
| 17:06.34 | Stskeeps | both |
| 17:06.51 | Stskeeps | it uses cross-compiler for compilations, and qemu for emulating the programs if need be |
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| 17:07.18 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: you good at generating cross-compilation toolchains btw? |
| 17:07.55 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: did you ever solve your bw quota issue btw? |
| 17:08.25 | Meizirkki | bw quota issue? |
| 17:08.43 | Stskeeps | as in your parents making it impossible to dl more than 5gb a month? |
| 17:09.47 | Meizirkki | not parents, opreator. anyway it's a deal that when i dload more than 5gp they lower priority of your connection |
| 17:10.12 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 17:10.22 | Meizirkki | but because i am living in the middle of nowhere, there is nobody else to override me |
| 17:10.26 | Stskeeps | lol :P |
| 17:11.06 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: if i give you a tar.gz can you test it quickly? i have moved from Xmodmap to HAL plus XKB so |
| 17:11.14 | Meizirkki | ok |
| 17:11.23 | Stskeeps | we are first releasing tomorrow as we wanted to finish these issues |
| 17:13.02 | Stskeeps | ah. |
| 17:13.15 | Stskeeps | midori issue. no HIM for text fields |
| 17:13.53 | johnx | yup |
| 17:14.04 | johnx | maybe a change from tear we can borrow |
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| 17:14.12 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 17:14.33 | Stskeeps | and its a bit crashy but so it goes |
| 17:15.33 | b-man | reminds himself to update the url on merinstaller to 0.8 for tomorrows release |
| 17:15.44 | Stskeeps | b-man: mm, good idea |
| 17:15.50 | Stskeeps | why don't i like the "Checking for updates, please wait" string in HAM? |
| 17:15.56 | Stskeeps | i always think it looks for updates to the system |
| 17:16.10 | Stskeeps | not as it is, updates to the installable applications list |
| 17:16.26 | GAN800 | please wait is stupid |
| 17:16.37 | GAN800 | It's a dialog with a progress bar |
| 17:16.50 | GAN800 | Of course you're going to wait. . . . |
| 17:17.02 | johnx | GAN800, so you're saying it should only talk about the exceptional case? |
| 17:17.38 | GAN800 | "Updating application catalog..." |
| 17:18.03 | johnx | I like the idea of a dialog with progress bar and no clickable button that says "Wait or don't wait. it doesn't really matter." |
| 17:18.22 | Stskeeps | we so need en_GB-sarcastic. |
| 17:18.37 | Stskeeps | and klingon. |
| 17:18.42 | johnx | wants to make an en_JP |
| 17:18.55 | Stskeeps | hello kitty? :P |
| 17:19.07 | Meizirkki | what about having a "mer-latest-image" on some server that is a link to the real tar.gz, so there would be no need to upgrade installer everytime there's a update? |
| 17:20.07 | johnx | Stskeeps, go to engrish.com, find the most absurd example on the site and odds are 9/10 that actually came from a real product and isn't a photoshop |
| 17:20.08 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: i would be delighted to, except the ftp protocol doesn't support making symlinks.. |
| 17:20.13 | Stskeeps | johnx: yeah, i know |
| 17:20.20 | Stskeeps | johnx: i have seen funny things in hong kong too |
| 17:20.49 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: but yes, you are perfectly right |
| 17:21.49 | Stskeeps | b-man: when you are bored, make something that grabs the current image name from a .txt on the server or something |
| 17:21.52 | Stskeeps | or a list of images |
| 17:22.14 | Stskeeps | like <version>,<release date><description> |
| 17:22.17 | Stskeeps | or the likes :P |
| 17:22.29 | b-man | ok :) |
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| 17:23.45 | b-man | also thinks about making separate lists for internal/external mmcs to make the installer less confusing |
| 17:24.20 | Stskeeps | well, are you speaking of the p1..4 thing? |
| 17:24.23 | qwerty12 | wonders what he has to do to make mer believe that my N800 does support wifi... |
| 17:24.32 | b-man | yes |
| 17:24.47 | Stskeeps | b-man: make a function making the p1..p4 strings? i dunno |
| 17:24.58 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: i still suspect it is CAL-related for some strange reason |
| 17:25.10 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: but i need to see console output of your tablet |
| 17:25.14 | johnx | wonders about different hardware revs of the N800 |
| 17:25.21 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, wlan-cal output is ok and it works well in maemo |
| 17:25.46 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, wait, I'll get syslog running |
| 17:25.50 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: alright |
| 17:26.01 | Stskeeps | and upstart-logd |
| 17:26.02 | Meizirkki | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.06 | t_s_o | hmm, mnotes + voice search = microsoft recite... |
| 17:26.23 | qwerty12 | Meizirkki, thanks, will try that after I've got the log :) |
| 17:26.39 | Stskeeps | ponders if mer can survive the pizza test of usefulness |
| 17:26.46 | Stskeeps | (can it be used to order pizza online.) |
| 17:26.56 | b-man | hehe |
| 17:27.18 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, modify http://www.beigerecords.com/cory/pizza_party/ for your favourite pizza shop in .dk :. |
| 17:27.20 | b-man | real-world testing :) |
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| 17:29.57 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, hmm... what do you mean by 'good at'? i built a working one :) |
| 17:30.28 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: better than me, i guess |
| 17:30.29 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:30.46 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, i just used gentoo tools |
| 17:31.00 | qwerty12 | out of question, to set root password within a chroot, do I need to have /proc, /sys, /dev etc binded? |
| 17:31.17 | Meizirkki | nope |
| 17:31.24 | qwerty12 | thanks |
| 17:31.50 | johnx | chroot /target passwd |
| 17:32.03 | qwerty12 | yep, thanks :) |
| 17:32.07 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, crossdev -S arm-gentoo-linux-gnueabi, patience and you get a cross-toolchain :) |
| 17:32.14 | Stskeeps | hehe |
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| 17:33.01 | qwerty12 | <3's avahi |
| 17:33.18 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, + crossdev-wrappers and you get emerge that is targeted at folder/arch you're building for |
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| 17:34.47 | Meizirkki | watches installer unpacking mer rootfs |
| 17:35.26 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, http://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x0#step_1_cross-build_minimal_working_system up to make.conf tweaking |
| 17:36.09 | Stskeeps | also, 'Browse installable applications' |
| 17:36.15 | Stskeeps | but some of them are not installable |
| 17:36.16 | johnx | heh...funny battery charger thread :) |
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| 17:36.38 | GeneralAntilles | "Browse application catalog" ? |
| 17:36.56 | Stskeeps | yeah i guess |
| 17:36.56 | GeneralAntilles | I mean, if we're gonna insist on "catalog" might as well use it enough so people recognize it. |
| 17:37.05 | qwerty12 | "Browse or die" |
| 17:37.20 | GeneralAntilles | Up, timeless has got "Available applications" |
| 17:38.46 | johnx | if we put browse people will also expect a random button... |
| 17:39.08 | johnx | for when they're in the mood for a new app but don't really care what it is |
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| 17:41.05 | Stskeeps | ok, almost passed the pizza test |
| 17:41.13 | Stskeeps | website almost made me require flash |
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| 17:42.20 | Stskeeps | jeremiah: oh, one question for you, even though your first work day is still some time away :) |
| 17:42.57 | Stskeeps | jeremiah: if pinning was in use, would apt-get dist-upgrade force an upgrade to the pinned repository's version, if the pinning priority was higher? |
| 17:43.34 | Stskeeps | example is, we want to patch apt. we pin mer repository on a higher priority than ubuntu, but apt is brought in through debootstrap. would subsequent pinning and apt-get dist-upgrade force an upgrade of apt? |
| 17:43.49 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, 16th. :P |
| 17:44.00 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: hehe |
| 17:44.11 | johnx | well, it's the 16th now |
| 17:44.13 | johnx | :) |
| 17:44.23 | Stskeeps | jesus, its me and the fiancees 2nd year day tomorrow |
| 17:44.25 | johnx | and Stskeeps, I'm pretty sure the answer is yes |
| 17:44.29 | Stskeeps | johnx: ok |
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| 17:46.12 | johnx | also, we can pin apps individually |
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| 17:46.39 | johnx | the way we're doing now is pretty much the blunt force trauma approach :) |
| 17:46.46 | Stskeeps | it works.. |
| 17:46.47 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:47.19 | johnx | and so does blunt force trauma for a certain subset of problems |
| 17:47.28 | Stskeeps | yes |
| 17:47.35 | Stskeeps | only thing i remember from optimization |
| 17:47.36 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:48.25 | johnx | learned it in auto repair 101: applied roadside emergency maintenance |
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| 17:50.26 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps: i'm in mer now, what's needed to test? |
| 17:50.36 | Meizirkki | Fn not working |
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| 17:51.11 | johnx | Meizirkki, did you already run this: /usr/bin/gconftool-2 -s -t bool /apps/osso/inputmethod/keyboard_available true |
| 17:51.43 | Meizirkki | johnx, noi didn't. thanks |
| 17:53.23 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: fn not working? gimme a lshal output :/ |
| 17:53.47 | JerhuM | Hello, have french channel for maemo ? |
| 17:53.47 | johnx | aaargh...fn not enter. sorry Meizirkki |
| 17:54.09 | Meizirkki | johnx: hehe, it least my enter work now :P |
| 17:54.17 | Meizirkki | s/work/works/ |
| 17:54.23 | johnx | :) |
| 17:54.55 | johnx | JerhuM, I haven't heard about one. But, I know some people in this channel speak French. |
| 17:55.07 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps, the whole lshal or just keyboard? |
| 17:55.36 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: just the keyboard i guess |
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| 17:56.21 | JerhuM | ok thanks johnx |
| 17:56.37 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps, http://pastebin.com/m33729067 |
| 17:57.27 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: ok, lshal > file.something and scp it to trac if its ok |
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| 17:59.33 | Meizirkki | yep |
| 18:00.23 | JerhuM | Quelqu'un peut me poster son sources list pour maemo 2008 diablo pour un nokia n810 ? |
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| 18:01.00 | qwerty12 | Your English sounds readable, why not just try and post your question in English? |
| 18:01.06 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps, lshal.file now uploaded |
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| 18:02.11 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: thank you |
| 18:02.37 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: to trac.tspre.org/meiz? |
| 18:02.55 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, is http://packages.tspre.org/pool/user/b/bootmenu/bootmenu_1.5-1_armel.deb your latest? |
| 18:02.59 | Stskeeps | yessir |
| 18:03.01 | Meizirkki | oh, wait, i forgot ~/www |
| 18:03.04 | qwerty12 | Thanks :) |
| 18:03.14 | Jaffa | evening, all |
| 18:03.18 | johnx | JerhuM, /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list ? |
| 18:03.25 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps, now uploaded to ~/www |
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| 18:04.42 | jagernot | how do i find out if my app is in extras? |
| 18:05.04 | johnx | on your tablet: apt-get update && apt-cache policy pkgname |
| 18:05.35 | jagernot | from the web? |
| 18:05.43 | qwerty12 | jagernot, your debs are there http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/b/boxar/ but you may have to wait an hour until the list of packages get updated |
| 18:05.46 | johnx | browse extras directly |
| 18:06.18 | jagernot | qwerty12: thanks for checking but that has been up for two days :D |
| 18:06.23 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: can you grab a similar one from Maemo too? (you're very helpful) |
| 18:06.38 | Meizirkki | yes i can :) |
| 18:08.06 | JerhuM | yes johnx |
| 18:08.44 | wazd | oh crap, MWC already started :) |
| 18:09.27 | wazd | I thought they will launch on 16 |
| 18:09.27 | johnx | JerhuM, http://pastebin.ca/1338117 |
| 18:09.51 | johnx | wazd, 16th in what timezone? :P |
| 18:10.33 | GeneralAntilles | Not johnx's dirty liar timezone. |
| 18:10.45 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, oi! Don't hate on the future |
| 18:10.54 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps, lshal from maemo uploaded |
| 18:11.06 | wazd | johnx: hmm... barcelona has GMT -2 or 1 I think |
| 18:11.12 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: thanks |
| 18:11.18 | JerhuM | thanks johnx |
| 18:11.19 | wazd | johnx: so they can't have 16 before me :P |
| 18:11.23 | johnx | wazd, then they started early it seems |
| 18:11.40 | johnx | JerhuM, thank translate.google.com :) |
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| 18:12.29 | wazd | Nokia's keynote should be at 9AM GMT |
| 18:13.22 | GeneralAntilles | A tablet announcement there would be a pretty big step for Maemo, methinks. |
| 18:13.31 | qwerty12 | So, who's gonna sniper Nokia if they don't announce the next tablet? :) |
| 18:13.41 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, so what an integrated HSPA radio |
| 18:13.59 | johnx | s/sniper/frozen trout/ |
| 18:14.12 | roope | I can just imagine the comments from Frank Wagner, either way. |
| 18:14.28 | johnx | roope, ...and others :/ |
| 18:14.28 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: announcement will breath in some fresh air in Maemo lungs for sure) |
| 18:14.30 | GeneralAntilles | Ha! I know why we need to have the Summit in Helsinki. |
| 18:14.48 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: People really tired to compare n810 vs everything) |
| 18:15.09 | johnx | s/so what an/so would an/ <- eep |
| 18:15.21 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: afterwards that, in mer chroot, mv /usr/share/hal/fdi/information/20thirdparty/10-nokia-tablets.fdi /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/20thirdparty/ (because i am potentially an idiot.) |
| 18:15.34 | Stskeeps | and boot into mer |
| 18:15.38 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, that's already been announced. |
| 18:15.47 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, that's my point :) |
| 18:16.00 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, oh, right we've already had the step. |
| 18:16.11 | GeneralAntilles | Well, stage-time next to S60 still seems like another big step to me. |
| 18:16.26 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps: ookay |
| 18:16.49 | johnx | I agree. I think we'll see it happen in littler steps as Nokia at large gets comfortable with the work of their Maemo R&D section |
| 18:17.21 | JerhuM | it's possible to simulate right click with stylet ? |
| 18:17.31 | qwerty12 | tap n' hold |
| 18:17.50 | Stskeeps | you know, what surprises me the most is how bloody sturdy these damn tablets are |
| 18:17.51 | johnx | steps so far: Adding the tablets to the N series, announcing with an HSPA radio, integrating with Nokia desktop apps, paying Navicore to bring Map |
| 18:17.59 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, it'll be interesting to see the option between Maemo or Symbian on Nokia's smartphones. |
| 18:18.24 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps, the /usr/share/hal/fdi/information/20thirdparty/ dir is empty in my Diablo installation .. |
| 18:18.42 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: yes, hence why i am an idiot, and i said in Mer chroot :P |
| 18:18.57 | Stskeeps | chroot into the mer partition |
| 18:19.15 | Stskeeps | i just had my tablet fly across my office cos my foot caught the charger cable |
| 18:19.19 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, I doubt we'll ever see them on *exactly* the same hardware, but yeah, it will be quite interesting. A lot of the old players in the game are doing some surprising things these last couple years :) |
| 18:19.39 | Stskeeps | and even if battery and sd slot holder inside popped out and back panel popped off.. |
| 18:19.43 | Stskeeps | boots fine. |
| 18:19.45 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps: oh, i missunderstood, sorry |
| 18:19.58 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: hey, at least i didn't nuke your maemo installation :P |
| 18:20.19 | johnx | mine has scuff marks from exposure to concrete O_o; my zauruses have held up similarly and they even have moving parts though |
| 18:20.30 | johnx | what it really goes to show you is how fragile laptops are |
| 18:21.09 | GeneralAntilles | Those chargers are dangerous |
| 18:21.18 | Meizirkki | boots to Mer |
| 18:21.22 | GeneralAntilles | I like it when I forget mine's plugged in and try to pick it up too quickly. |
| 18:21.30 | jaska | yeah, ive had cellphones and laptops fly from that |
| 18:21.56 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, yup. and they're the biggest weak point of the whole physical/mechanical construction |
| 18:22.15 | soap | It isn't just that laptops are more fragile, but that the mass is so much greater. More mass = more energy to dissipate upon deceleration = more damage. |
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| 18:22.44 | soap | well, I guess that could be a definition of "fragile" - but it is more a matter of physics than build quality. |
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| 18:23.23 | jaska | i remember some old nmt phone, you could throw them on a brick wall and only the wall would get hurt, call wouldnt be dropped : |
| 18:23.26 | jaska | :) |
| 18:23.26 | johnx | mostly thinking about fans and hard discs |
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| 18:24.09 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps, Fn key still dead :( |
| 18:24.40 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: lshal again |
| 18:25.26 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps, uploaded |
| 18:26.56 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: blast |
| 18:27.04 | Stskeeps | sec |
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| 18:29.19 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: grab http://trac.tspre.org/svn/deblet/trunk/packages/main/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-keymap.fdi , remove 10-nokia-tablets.fdi, and put this in /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-keymaps.fdi |
| 18:29.32 | Meizirkki | ok |
| 18:30.13 | Stskeeps | 10-keymap.fdi sorry |
| 18:33.09 | Meizirkki | i replace the existing file? |
| 18:33.14 | Stskeeps | yes |
| 18:36.53 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps, Fn key still dead :( |
| 18:37.11 | Stskeeps | lshal :/ |
| 18:37.47 | Meizirkki | should i have the n810-slideout-kb-xmodmap package installed? |
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| 18:38.05 | Stskeeps | yes |
| 18:38.15 | Stskeeps | well, no, not after the grab |
| 18:38.21 | Stskeeps | but we just removed the file so |
| 18:38.34 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps, uploaded |
| 18:38.43 | Stskeeps | ta |
| 18:39.59 | Stskeeps | ok, well, the issue is that the keyboard should point to 'nokiarx44' as keyboard model. |
| 18:40.19 | Stskeeps | in xkb.model |
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| 18:41.08 | JerhuM | johnx: why when i replace hildon-application-manager-list, in the option of the application manager (gui) it keep former list of repository ? |
| 18:42.45 | johnx | JerhuM, the list is also stored in another file |
| 18:43.08 | JerhuM | ok where please ? |
| 18:43.19 | johnx | I don't remember. I'm looking |
| 18:43.27 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: ok, hmm, setxkbmap -model nokiarx44 |
| 18:44.33 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps, and reboot? |
| 18:44.40 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: no, go test now if Fn works :P |
| 18:44.50 | Meizirkki | it doesn't |
| 18:44.53 | Stskeeps | .. |
| 18:44.56 | Stskeeps | setxkbmap -print |
| 18:46.02 | qwerty12_N800 | JerhuM, johnx: /etc/hildon-application-manager/catalogues :) |
| 18:46.02 | Stskeeps | i need a n810. :P |
| 18:46.03 | qwerty12_N800 | where's your sense of N800 patriotism? :p |
| 18:46.04 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, ah. thought it was something like that, but I guess it doesn't exist if h-a-m hasn't managed to update it's list yet :) |
| 18:46.15 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: it is still there but i have to support rx-44 too.. |
| 18:46.40 | JerhuM | thanks qwerty12_N800 and johnx :) |
| 18:46.40 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx: heh :) |
| 18:46.45 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps, http://pastebin.com/m5319d58f |
| 18:46.51 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: I say forget them :P |
| 18:47.18 | luke-jr | any suggestions for charging my N810 before the charger arrives? >.> |
| 18:47.43 | johnx | luke-jr, have any friends with Nokia phones? |
| 18:47.47 | qwerty12_N800 | buy an E90 and put the battery in there |
| 18:48.57 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: know what a ssh tunnel is? |
| 18:49.10 | Meizirkki | nope |
| 18:49.13 | Meizirkki | tellme |
| 18:49.41 | Stskeeps | well it is basically a way for me to access the ssh server on your tablet :P you run a command and i can go back through that tunnel and log in to your mer installation |
| 18:50.08 | luke-jr | johnx: no idea |
| 18:50.21 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps, okay for me, but my ip address is local only.. |
| 18:50.21 | johnx | luke-jr, time to find out :> |
| 18:50.28 | Meizirkki | 192.168.0.xxx |
| 18:50.34 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: and yes, the good thing about ssh tunnels is they don't care about that :P |
| 18:50.51 | luke-jr | any way to track a package w/o the tracking code? :x |
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| 18:51.09 | JerhuM | hum /etc/hildon-application-manager/catalogues have ugly syntax to modify , johnx please send me your :) |
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| 18:52.19 | johnx | Meizirkki, basically you make an ssh tunnel that has one end on your tablet and one end on a machine that Stskeeps has access to |
| 18:52.28 | Meizirkki | ok |
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| 18:56.00 | johnx | JerhuM, http://pastebin.ca/1338155 |
| 18:56.44 | johnx | JerhuM, almost all software you want is in the extras repository ( wiki.maemo.org/Extras ) |
| 18:57.16 | JerhuM | thanks yet |
| 19:01.06 | johnx | Stskeeps, ok, looks like enter works now on the zaurus keyboard :) is h-i-m-e-p still supposed to pop up? |
| 19:01.16 | Stskeeps | johnx: yeah.. that is another issue |
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| 19:01.44 | johnx | well then it works |
| 19:03.04 | Stskeeps | k |
| 19:06.47 | wazd | omg, SE released 12 mpx phone |
| 19:08.37 | oli | wazd: people like numbers |
| 19:09.15 | johnx | mmm...numbers |
| 19:11.27 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: any Fn now? |
| 19:11.32 | Stskeeps | (i switched layout to being Fi) |
| 19:11.49 | Stskeeps | or fisenoda, which sounds like a very dirty word in danish |
| 19:12.17 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps, no Fn key :( |
| 19:12.30 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: how about rest? |
| 19:12.32 | Stskeeps | finnish specific stuff |
| 19:14.17 | Meizirkki | minus is on its place, but ä andö are æ and ø |
| 19:14.49 | Stskeeps | ok, so some of them are wrong.. |
| 19:15.05 | Stskeeps | or? |
| 19:15.36 | Meizirkki | i think ä and ö are on their place, but font or something just does not support them |
| 19:15.40 | Meizirkki | wait a bit |
| 19:16.10 | Meizirkki | nope, they aren't working any better in Maemopad |
| 19:16.13 | Stskeeps | ok |
| 19:16.18 | Stskeeps | i wonder.. |
| 19:18.58 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: reboot, reestablish ssh tunnel |
| 19:19.18 | Meizirkki | ok |
| 19:21.06 | oli | how to redirect port using iptables? on a linux pc, not a nokia |
| 19:22.26 | hahlo | Stskeeps: can i localize mer virtual keyboard? |
| 19:22.58 | luke-jr | oli: IP doesn't support that |
| 19:23.22 | Stskeeps | hahlo: if you edit the source.. we really need someone to work on it |
| 19:23.49 | hahlo | is it c? |
| 19:23.52 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 19:24.14 | oli | luke-jr: ? so how to? |
| 19:25.19 | johnx | Stskeeps, does our h-i-m 'example plugin' use different key layouts than the maemo/diablo h-i-m stylus keyboard? |
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| 19:25.29 | Meiz_mer | Stskeeps, tunnel open |
| 19:25.31 | Stskeeps | johnx: i dont even think the plugin is there |
| 19:25.32 | Stskeeps | Meiz_mer: ta |
| 19:26.33 | Stskeeps | Meiz_mer: ok, test fn |
| 19:26.36 | johnx | hmm? what do you mean 'not there'? I mean the h-i-m onscreen keyboard we use right now. (I have I feeling I'm missing something big) |
| 19:26.48 | luke-jr | oli: you can only redirect to the local PC |
| 19:26.49 | Stskeeps | johnx: as in the example plugin is not really functional |
| 19:26.55 | luke-jr | oli: otherwise, the closest thing is a proxy of some form |
| 19:27.17 | Meiz_mer | Stskeeps: not working . |
| 19:27.24 | Stskeeps | Meiz_mer: k, hmm |
| 19:27.51 | oli | luke-jr: no way :| i just want to make my nokia accesible from Internet via VNC |
| 19:28.53 | luke-jr | oli: ok, so either put it on the Internet or setup a proxy |
| 19:28.57 | johnx | luke-jr, are you sure? |
| 19:29.51 | oli | johnx: it's unbelieveable for me, that iptables cannot forward packets to other host... |
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| 19:30.34 | johnx | oli, I'm about 90% sure I was using iptables for that exact purpose, but it was on a wrt54g and I set it up with a web frontend |
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| 19:30.57 | luke-jr | oli: it can, but the return packets won't go the right way if you do that |
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| 19:31.30 | Stskeeps | Meiz_mer: ok, getting closer |
| 19:31.33 | oli | luke-jr: but connection from WAN will work, won't it? |
| 19:31.45 | Jaffa | Interesting: someone claims to have played with the RX-51: http://forum.boxee.tv/showthread.php?p=36665#post36665 |
| 19:31.46 | luke-jr | oli: no |
| 19:31.59 | luke-jr | oli: unless your N8x0's gateway is that same Linux machine |
| 19:32.25 | oli | luke-jr: should i draw it for you? ;| |
| 19:32.41 | johnx | oli, I see what luke-jr is saying. basically, if you want to be able to reach your tablet from outside the network the machine you use as a router/NAT needs to be the same machine your do port redirection on |
| 19:33.07 | oli | johnx: that's exactly what my situation is |
| 19:33.19 | jacekowski | johnx: no it doesn't |
| 19:33.22 | johnx | and your linux desktop box is the router/NAT? |
| 19:33.39 | oli | johnx: yep. I share Internet via iptables to LAN |
| 19:33.44 | jacekowski | johnx: iptables can redirect to other hosts as well |
| 19:34.25 | johnx | jacekowski, ah. sorry, I was just talking about what would accomplish his goals in his specific case |
| 19:34.41 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: hype before the hit? :P |
| 19:35.03 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: adds some (not much, admittedly) weight to the hope of an announcement at MWC |
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| 19:35.20 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, bastards! |
| 19:36.00 | johnx | oli, google for iptables accept redirect |
| 19:36.11 | Stskeeps | Meiz_mer: reboot, tunnel (sorry) :P |
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| 19:37.53 | Meiz_mer | ok |
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| 19:41.39 | Meiz_mer | Stskeeps, ssh tunnel open |
| 19:42.22 | Stskeeps | ta |
| 19:43.00 | Stskeeps | test fn and such |
| 19:43.15 | Meiz_mer | still no fn |
| 19:43.27 | Stskeeps | .. wtf. |
| 19:43.51 | Stskeeps | ok, going to pop up Xev again |
| 19:43.56 | Stskeeps | please press fn |
| 19:43.57 | Meiz_mer | ok |
| 19:44.45 | Stskeeps | ok, ta |
| 19:49.23 | johnx | start-hildon does the enter magic. first-boot-wizard should finish building in a sec. then it will too |
| 19:49.27 | johnx | off to sleep |
| 19:49.36 | johnx | good luck with the fn key guys |
| 19:49.56 | Stskeeps | alright, ta |
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| 19:58.05 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.07 | Stskeeps | ponders idly |
| 19:58.42 | Stskeeps | how does the n97 look again? does it have media keys on it? like play/stop,rewind, etc |
| 19:59.30 | rm_you | ono |
| 19:59.33 | rm_you | missed johnx |
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| 20:00.07 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, like the N96? I don't believe so. |
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| 20:00.24 | Stskeeps | GAN800: well, there are some rather awkward buttons in rx-51 definition |
| 20:00.50 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, what, like "Porn"? |
| 20:01.55 | Stskeeps | nm, i'm seeing things |
| 20:02.07 | lcuk | lol @ a porn button |
| 20:02.16 | Stskeeps | get back to making liqporn, lcuk |
| 20:02.17 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:02.45 | lcuk | you are the one with your tongue out - don't get electrocuted licking your screen |
| 20:02.47 | Jaffa | Unset jelly? |
| 20:03.19 | lcuk | Jaffa, that guy who claims to have seen next gen device might be thinking of the n97 |
| 20:03.28 | lcuk | i know i was when we were discussing 5800 before |
| 20:03.34 | Stskeeps | Meiz_mer: test fn, if fail, reboot |
| 20:03.40 | Meiz_mer | ok |
| 20:04.01 | Jaffa | lcuk: maybe - he knows enough to know Maemo, but not enough to think that porting a complex media system might be tricky for someone with no programming experience. |
| 20:04.03 | lcuk | ive run top, and it shows "maemo-launcher" as a hi running app - how can i find out what its actually running |
| 20:04.08 | Meiz_mer | reboots... |
| 20:04.17 | Stskeeps | curses |
| 20:04.36 | lcuk | lol jaffa yeah i noticed the flaw in the plans |
| 20:06.59 | wazd | oh. my. god. http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/334 |
| 20:07.31 | *** join/#maemo Meiz_mer (n=roope@bbwirelessgw2-fee7dc00-167.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 20:07.42 | Meiz_mer | Stskeeps, ssh open |
| 20:07.51 | lcuk | wazd, you say omg like you fell on this by accident. you sat there and custom rendered your own hello kitty ti calc design. |
| 20:08.49 | wazd | lcuk: that was for GeneralAntilles :) |
| 20:08.55 | lcuk | or is the omg because you want in on the beta test |
| 20:08.57 | lcuk | lol |
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| 20:09.10 | Stskeeps | qwerty12-mer: you succeeded? :o |
| 20:09.39 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, you've found your new dream game, then? |
| 20:09.54 | GeneralAntilles | The ioquake3 forums were Hello Kitty-themed for a while. |
| 20:10.11 | Stskeeps | Meiz_mer: still here? |
| 20:10.14 | lcuk | did you campaign to keep em that way? |
| 20:10.31 | GeneralAntilles | Ahah, it's been updated: http://ioquake.org/forums/ |
| 20:10.48 | GeneralAntilles | The hover effects are fun. |
| 20:10.56 | qwerty12-mer | Stskeeps, yep, edited tablet-wireless script & installed wicd |
| 20:11.02 | Stskeeps | qwerty12-mer: good :) |
| 20:11.05 | rm_you | Wazd: http://images.mmorpg.com//images/galleries/formatted/392008/95613352-4008-4094-998c-a56cbecb6941.jpg |
| 20:11.28 | wazd | rm_you: xD |
| 20:11.34 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: yep :P |
| 20:11.54 | Stskeeps | qwerty12-mer: be aware that you might need to adapt the wifi power saving yourswelf |
| 20:11.57 | Stskeeps | it depends on NM |
| 20:12.15 | wazd | I'm looking for some dumb but funny game to reset my brain :) |
| 20:12.43 | qwerty12-mer | Stskeeps, wifi-psm doesn't really bother me in mer :) |
| 20:13.13 | timelE61i | wazd: traffic? :) |
| 20:13.19 | Stskeeps | qwerty12-mer: well i meant more like it will get warm ;) |
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| 20:13.42 | wazd | timelE61i: what?) |
| 20:13.45 | Meiz_n810 | sorry Sts, nm-applet stopped working |
| 20:13.54 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: ah, hate when that happens |
| 20:13.55 | Meiz_n810 | installs wifi-radar |
| 20:14.03 | qwerty12-mer | Stskeeps, I've had that happen in offline mode ;) |
| 20:14.50 | Meiz_n810 | qwerty12-mer, you got wlan working ? |
| 20:15.13 | Meiz_n810 | sorry, i just checked #mer |
| 20:15.30 | qwerty12-mer | yep :) |
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| 20:19.41 | Stskeeps | should i be scared i didn't receive any maemo-community mail today? :P |
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| 20:22.53 | lcuk | can i screw up global memory allocation by abusing malloc/free. ie not freeing memory properly after closing app etc (im used to windows memory alloc stuff still) |
| 20:23.39 | benson | lcuk: when your app is closed, the memory will be free again. |
| 20:24.06 | benson | But there's no good excuse for not freeing things... |
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| 20:25.31 | Meiz_mer | finally |
| 20:25.42 | Meiz_mer | Stskeeps: tunnel opeen |
| 20:25.47 | lcuk | benson, i know that, i just went wayyyyyy ott and allocated and freed muchly and made the entire machine crawl |
| 20:26.04 | lcuk | closing re-opening didnt help, so i wondered if it was |
| 20:26.44 | benson | Well, if everything else got swapped out to make room for your mess, it'll be slow till it gets swapped back in. Maybe that' |
| 20:26.50 | benson | s what you saw? |
| 20:27.16 | lcuk | sounds reasonable, but it was persistent - mem alloc when not running was at 120mb |
| 20:27.52 | benson | strange. |
| 20:28.32 | lcuk | yeah, dont normally notice such things. machines had a few hiccups last day or so anyway. shall find out soon |
| 20:28.52 | lcuk | i might take this as a reasonable time to put mer on |
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| 20:31.12 | Stskeeps | Meiz_mer: test kthx |
| 20:31.26 | lcuk | mer heads: the wifi works, but it doesnt powersave - is that the same as mine currently (I use adhoc) - will i get similar life expectancy? |
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| 20:31.40 | Meiz_mer | Stskeeps: still no fn |
| 20:32.03 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, no. |
| 20:32.24 | Stskeeps | lcuk: it does powersave now |
| 20:32.27 | Stskeeps | (in 0.8( |
| 20:32.29 | Stskeeps | Meiz_mer: wtf |
| 20:32.35 | Stskeeps | Meiz_mer: popping xev up |
| 20:32.35 | lcuk | heh, but not for adhoc |
| 20:33.04 | Meiz_mer | Stskeeps: Fn key right? |
| 20:33.07 | Stskeeps | Meiz_mer: yes |
| 20:33.09 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: hum? |
| 20:33.16 | GeneralAntilles | -community |
| 20:33.26 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 20:34.25 | Macer | hm |
| 20:34.33 | Macer | do people still use tar for actual backing up? |
| 20:34.45 | Macer | i have to xfer an entire fbsd system over to a new one |
| 20:36.15 | Stskeeps | i do occasionally |
| 20:36.23 | Stskeeps | the Mer snapshots are too.. |
| 20:36.51 | Macer | yah? i need to start working on getting fbsd off the dual p3 and put it on the esxi box |
| 20:37.15 | harbaum | lcuk: Ad-Hoc really is a bad idea |
| 20:37.17 | Macer | making 2 fbsd VMs .. one dns and one shell |
| 20:37.39 | lcuk | harbaum, doesnt cause me problems and allows completely free roaming with my cloud of machines |
| 20:37.47 | Macer | harbaum: i have to use adhoc for my G1 |
| 20:37.56 | Macer | it works rather well |
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| 20:38.03 | lcuk | whether at home or work or in a hotel or anywhere i can connect |
| 20:38.12 | Macer | as a matter of fact.. i am on it now |
| 20:38.25 | harbaum | ad-hoc is being hacked within seconds |
| 20:38.46 | Macer | well.. adhoc is the only way i can tether my G1 ;) |
| 20:39.05 | lcuk | harbaum, so hack me |
| 20:39.06 | benson | iz in ur ad-hok snifin ur paketz |
| 20:39.14 | Macer | haha |
| 20:39.15 | harbaum | as long as you don't have to pay the bill and don't care about your data |
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| 20:39.32 | lcuk | they can have the internet connection - oh wait, sorry its just my machines |
| 20:39.33 | Macer | you're going to sniff my ssh pkts? :) |
| 20:39.41 | lcuk | renames his adhoc to "free internet" |
| 20:39.58 | lcuk | heh yeah macer, i forgot thats how i actually connect as well |
| 20:40.09 | benson | Name it "Free Public WiFi" -- then nobody connects. |
| 20:40.20 | Macer | haha |
| 20:40.21 | lcuk | everybody connects at least once, thats how it spread |
| 20:40.25 | harbaum | your dialup is running through ssh? |
| 20:40.34 | Macer | you can set iptables up on the G1 so that only specific IPs can aaccess it |
| 20:40.34 | lcuk | dialup? |
| 20:40.45 | lcuk | oh, you mean the home connection |
| 20:40.46 | Macer | i'm stil waiting for someone to come out with an AP app for android.. that would fucking own |
| 20:41.39 | Macer | i'm actually kind of glad i made an xp VM on the esxi box |
| 20:41.48 | qwerty12-mer | lcuk, btw, liqbase doesn't agree with xsp in mer |
| 20:41.50 | Macer | now i can rdc and manage it from itself |
| 20:41.53 | Macer | how ghetto |
| 20:42.10 | Macer | using a VM to manage esxi :) |
| 20:42.11 | lcuk | harbaum, i have trouble connecting to my own internet from sitting at the frontdoor with n810, if someone in my living room wants to use the internet they are free to |
| 20:42.27 | harbaum | ap mode will be interesting for the maemo5 units with hsdpa |
| 20:42.32 | lcuk | qwerty12-mer, xsp isnt technically a dependency anymore really |
| 20:42.52 | benson | lcuk: I can roam my entire apartment with my phone sitting in the window and keep a BT link. |
| 20:43.14 | benson | My BT is stronger than you WiFi! :P |
| 20:43.24 | benson | (or my apartment's smaller...) |
| 20:43.33 | lcuk | my wifi gives me detailed diagnostic zooming liqbase information :P |
| 20:44.01 | qwerty12-mer | lcuk, yeah, just a heads up |
| 20:44.03 | harbaum | lcuk, just because your devices don't use proper antennas doesn't mean other people don't use better ones |
| 20:44.07 | lcuk | curses it cos the lag hasnt gone after a reboot |
| 20:44.37 | benson | Maybe something removed your swap file? |
| 20:44.51 | Macer | harbaum: are they going to allow it to have an ap mode? :) |
| 20:44.55 | lcuk | nahhh, its code related |
| 20:44.56 | Macer | that would be awesome |
| 20:44.59 | harbaum | a nice antenna is the best way to download illegal stuff etc ... |
| 20:45.03 | benson | Sometimes it seems to forget swap is on, although I haven't had it in months... |
| 20:45.05 | lcuk | liqbase classic is still slick |
| 20:45.18 | harbaum | macer, how should they prevent us? |
| 20:45.34 | Macer | by keeping the wifi driver closed? |
| 20:46.00 | harbaum | they claim maemo5 will be 100% open |
| 20:46.05 | RST38h | Ok, ATI85 version 1.2 is now in Extras |
| 20:46.15 | Macer | harbaum: the same thing was said aboud android and symbian |
| 20:46.25 | benson | harbaum: No, they don't claim that; they claim it'll be much more open. |
| 20:46.25 | RST38h | Whoever wanted state preservation and [2nd][on] working, you have got your wishes |
| 20:46.27 | lcuk | harbaum, wheres the 100% open claim |
| 20:46.54 | harbaum | ok ... i thought i remembered that ... |
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| 20:47.22 | benson | They're keeping a bunch of things value-adding differentiators closed, like all their sucky applets. |
| 20:47.27 | lcuk | i heard much more open and working with the community and transparent process, but never 100% |
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| 20:47.46 | GAN800 | harbaum, the number is about 80% |
| 20:47.52 | benson | s/ v/ they call v/ |
| 20:48.05 | lcuk | and to be honest, that doesnt bother me - im not afraid of closed software/drivers as long as they are actively maintained |
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| 20:48.28 | Macer | esxi is great |
| 20:48.37 | Macer | if only they had clients for something other than windows |
| 20:48.42 | Macer | that's its only drawback |
| 20:49.02 | harbaum | i'd be willing to use a usb wifi adaptor if that gives me a non-webwashed wlan dialup at work |
| 20:49.05 | Macer | and it's lack of hardware support. but i suppose you build around esxi if you're planning to use it |
| 20:49.20 | Meiz_mer | Stskeeps, FN WORKS !!! |
| 20:49.29 | Stskeeps | .. |
| 20:49.33 | Stskeeps | then what am i doing right now? |
| 20:49.50 | Stskeeps | Meiz_mer: i have no idea why it is working. |
| 20:50.03 | harbaum | lcuk: the ap mode issue shows pretty well the problem of closed source: You can't do the nifty stuff |
| 20:51.13 | Stskeeps | Meiz_mer: does it work now too? |
| 20:51.29 | Meiz_mer | no |
| 20:51.34 | fireun | "open, and extend" |
| 20:51.39 | Stskeeps | now? |
| 20:51.46 | Meiz_mer | yes |
| 20:51.50 | Stskeeps | wtf :P |
| 20:52.03 | Stskeeps | but at least it means im going in the right direction with the compile i am doing right now |
| 20:52.07 | GAN800 | The RX-51's WiFi is open. |
| 20:52.35 | harbaum | GAN800; What chip? |
| 20:52.37 | bef0rd | tries ATI85 |
| 20:52.55 | GAN800 | A TI model, don't have the number handy. |
| 20:53.43 | GAN800 | WL1251 |
| 20:54.08 | Meiz_mer | Stskeeps: whoops, i closed the xterm. is the connection still open? |
| 20:54.17 | Stskeeps | Meiz_mer: nop, but im waiting for something to compile anyway |
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| 20:55.44 | harbaum | there's imho no master mode firmware for the wl1251 :-( |
| 20:56.20 | GAN800 | What's wrong with Bluetooth PAN? |
| 20:56.51 | harbaum | few client devices support bt-pan |
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| 20:57.19 | GAN800 | Most modern ones do. |
| 20:57.39 | Meiz_mer | Stskeeps, i'll boot to maemo and go to sleep now, ok? i can leave mer+ssh open too, if you want |
| 20:57.40 | GAN800 | Real computers will, anyway. |
| 20:57.57 | Stskeeps | Meiz_mer: nah, its fine - thanks for helping |
| 20:58.04 | Stskeeps | the compile will take a bit and i need to edit a file so |
| 20:58.22 | Meiz_mer | np, good night |
| 20:58.49 | Stskeeps | Andrewfblack: hello! |
| 20:58.56 | Stskeeps | (on to the next victim..) |
| 21:00.17 | Macer | heh |
| 21:00.36 | harbaum | but a mobile ap is not for normal computers |
| 21:00.40 | Macer | wow.. this fbsd install is going slow as shit.. 185K from freebsd.org |
| 21:00.40 | Macer | blah |
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| 21:01.05 | Macer | maybe that's from me using the xp vm on the same box with rdc |
| 21:01.44 | harbaum | my cars head unit e.g. can do wifi client but not bt pan client |
| 21:02.16 | Macer | your car's head unit? haha |
| 21:03.22 | wazd | http://www.engadget.com/photos/garmin-asus-m20-shows-its-soft-ware-side/1358987/ |
| 21:03.43 | wazd | looks like there there are absolutely no designers in Korea |
| 21:04.01 | harbaum | macer, no joke |
| 21:04.21 | Macer | i'm sure it's not |
| 21:04.36 | Macer | i just thought it was funny that of all the clients you could think of.. you chose "my car's head unit" |
| 21:04.40 | Macer | :) |
| 21:04.42 | wazd | how the hell could such a big vendor as Asus/Garmin make such a dumb icons |
| 21:04.48 | Macer | that's extremely niche |
| 21:04.58 | Stskeeps | you should see my universitys new logo.. |
| 21:05.12 | harbaum | building such things is my job |
| 21:05.24 | Stskeeps | http://www.au.dk (top left corner) |
| 21:05.44 | Stskeeps | now, what does that look like to you. |
| 21:06.06 | GAN800 | wazd, too bad they're putting out a WinMob version. |
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| 21:06.15 | wazd | Stskeeps: well, thats the parts of "mer" letters :) |
| 21:06.31 | Macer | Stskeeps: hahah |
| 21:06.31 | wazd | Stskeeps: u :) |
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| 21:06.43 | Macer | nobody noticed the similarity? |
| 21:06.57 | wazd | Stskeeps: ofcourse it looks like some part of the body but I'm optimist)) |
| 21:06.59 | Macer | i bet the logo designer got a good laugh |
| 21:07.10 | Stskeeps | Macer: i am not kidding.. they put so much money into the new logo |
| 21:07.17 | Macer | i'm sure they did |
| 21:07.25 | Macer | i couldn't believe how much money my company paid for a new logo |
| 21:07.40 | Macer | that looks like a green at&t symbol |
| 21:07.46 | Macer | what a racket :) |
| 21:08.25 | Stskeeps | not even the professors can take this logo seriously :> |
| 21:08.46 | wazd | Stskeeps: we have cell-carrier: http://www.mts.ru/upload/images/design/logo4.gif |
| 21:09.04 | Macer | wtf... my damn vm just kind of stopped on me |
| 21:09.31 | Macer | damnit... i knew i should have picked a different site than the freebsd.org one |
| 21:09.41 | wazd | Stskeeps: I bet your university chief's name is Dick xD |
| 21:09.43 | Macer | either that.. or the hard drive in the box is about to explode |
| 21:10.09 | Stskeeps | backs away |
| 21:10.12 | lcuk | Stskeeps, i found the bits of the logo that fell off |
| 21:10.18 | lcuk | they are at the bottom right of the page ;) |
| 21:10.39 | harbaum | so nothing about the new devices on mwc? |
| 21:10.59 | lcuk | are we due for some? i thought the roadmap had been released |
| 21:11.10 | Stskeeps | lcuk: i am not kidding, they invented a whole alphabet for this stuff.. |
| 21:11.14 | harbaum | i dunno. was it? |
| 21:11.22 | RST38h | once again notices how he hates the "improved" URL bar in FF3 |
| 21:11.28 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: all i can say is that logo puts the ic in .dk :) |
| 21:11.49 | lcuk | RST38h, :D the cool bar - its horrendous |
| 21:11.50 | Macer | RST38h: me too |
| 21:11.54 | Macer | i can't stand that crap |
| 21:12.00 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: when the revolution comes, there are some graphics artists who will be put against the wall and shot. |
| 21:12.25 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe |
| 21:12.28 | RST38h | those 5 second delays every time I start typing something there, they are awful |
| 21:12.40 | Stskeeps | i am willing to bet this was some 2 million dkk order that backfired and they thought they just had to use or it would have had been a waste of money.. |
| 21:13.01 | lcuk | "quick, make it worthwhile, create a font" |
| 21:13.27 | timeless | sighs |
| 21:13.36 | timeless | my e61i can't handle a 4' fall |
| 21:13.43 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: my problem is somewhat the opposite - I've grown too used to it and am lazy with what I type in it and get pissed off when it doesn't show something |
| 21:14.00 | lcuk | mmm i fscked the mmc again and its working |
| 21:14.15 | lcuk | i need something a bit more stable to work from, time to buy a new one |
| 21:14.28 | lcuk | used to wear out floppies and hard drives |
| 21:14.34 | RST38h | qwerty: well, it shows me wrong stuff too, every now and then |
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| 21:14.41 | RST38h | but delay is the worst "feature" of it |
| 21:15.18 | timeless | qwerty: what's the name of the theme picker? |
| 21:15.26 | timeless | or is there some way for me to update and get it? |
| 21:15.28 | harbaum | lcuk: where's that roadmap? |
| 21:15.35 | qwerty12_N800 | timeless: hildon-theme-selector |
| 21:15.36 | lcuk | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle |
| 21:16.19 | qwerty12_N800 | timeless: you can just apt-get it and it'll work |
| 21:16.36 | Macer | wtf fbsd |
| 21:16.37 | Macer | fail |
| 21:16.49 | harbaum | lcuk: that's about software only |
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| 21:19.51 | lcuk | harbaum, dunno then |
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| 21:21.31 | lcuk | doesnt care about specific looks yet, we know the guts (beagleboard) and know it will be in a handheld. wont it look like the omap3 tablets we have seen already (on youtube from movial) ??? |
| 21:23.17 | timeless | qwerty: yum |
| 21:23.36 | qwerty12_N800 | :) |
| 21:24.05 | timeless | we should consider supporting gettext ;-) |
| 21:24.23 | harbaum | btw: the chinook promotion interface is still broken |
| 21:24.47 | qwerty12_N800 | is the chinook builder still broken? |
| 21:25.16 | harbaum | dunno, last time i tried the armel worked, but i386 was broken |
| 21:25.51 | harbaum | i really need to release a new version of my osm editor, it damages the osm main database ... |
| 21:26.17 | harbaum | if only the promotion interface would let me ... |
| 21:26.36 | qwerty12_N800 | ahh :/. I think, looking the logs of my failed chinook package, the Packages.gz is fubared and the promotion interface gets its info from Packages.gz afaik |
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| 21:28.15 | harbaum | maybe. it complains about something in the repos not being in gzip format. that may be the packages.gz |
| 21:29.11 | lcuk | mmm tearing in an odd manner has appeared after being vanished for months |
| 21:29.22 | lcuk | thinks he foobared his tablet |
| 21:29.37 | RST38h | lcuk: Blizzard finally given up on you? =) |
| 21:30.48 | lcuk | not sure whether its how im pushing it, im using all the methods i use normally, but im experiencing things tearing through the xv shm block (i dont write until XV itself tells me it finished sending the data) |
| 21:31.59 | RST38h | some other app may be interfering? |
| 21:32.14 | Stskeeps | lcuk: maybe the new Xomap changes are disturbing you? |
| 21:32.38 | lcuk | yeah its more noticable when charging (updating the icon 25/50/75/100 etc) but its happening even when not charging |
| 21:33.40 | RST38h | kinda fixed the url bar |
| 21:33.58 | RST38h | lcuk: I would blame the cpu load applet |
| 21:34.07 | lcuk | have a job to, i dont have that |
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| 21:36.50 | ssvb | lcuk: what are the frequency scaling settings? |
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| 21:37.24 | lcuk | ssvb, only ever adjust between ondemand and performance, lemme check current |
| 21:37.31 | timeless | is wondering how to patchbomb from gmail |
| 21:37.42 | lcuk | standard "ondemand" havent adjusted since reboots earlier |
| 21:38.10 | ssvb | lcuk: tearing is a pretty bad problem when running at low clock frequency as screen updates are very slow |
| 21:39.15 | lcuk | ssvb, its fast though most of the time, i just get noticable extreme glitches sometimes - i use the XvShmPutImage with the "raise completion event" and wait until thats back at me before touching the planes |
| 21:39.29 | ssvb | lcuk: try to enforce 400MHz cpu clock frequency and check if it helps |
| 21:39.40 | lcuk | runs liqbase |
| 21:40.33 | lcuk | absolutely no difference at performance |
| 21:40.54 | Stskeeps | anyone good with HAL and their fdis, here? :P |
| 21:41.11 | timeless | when you find someone lemme know |
| 21:41.32 | ssvb | lcuk: do you mean it does not help with tearing? |
| 21:41.49 | lcuk | ill tinker, because it works smoothly sometimes then has a benny and has horrid effect (first thing it does with a screen rebuild is clear the buffer to black, then draws picture icons or whatever on) sometimes whole images are missing! |
| 21:42.23 | lcuk | no ssvb, its possible something in my code thats disabling my flag, but very annoying to return now |
| 21:42.43 | ssvb | lcuk: if your application does not have a consistent high cpu load, cpu clock frequency may scale down sometimes causing horrible tearing |
| 21:43.54 | lcuk | ssvb, nope, in powersave mode (normal) its great and tearfree |
| 21:44.10 | lcuk | but then sometimes it tears like a bitch |
| 21:44.10 | ssvb | lcuk: hmm, it's all very confusing |
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| 21:45.25 | RST38h | http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/markets/japan/article5723942.ece |
| 21:45.27 | RST38h | enjoy |
| 21:45.45 | ssvb | lcuk: ok, then it is somewhat understandable, in normal mode having heavy tearing is not something unexpected |
| 21:46.02 | AFBN810 | anyone been able to get Friendscard from garage to install? |
| 21:46.14 | Stskeeps | hello AFBN810! |
| 21:46.20 | ssvb | lcuk: it can be especially confusing if you optimize your application to reduce cpu load |
| 21:46.25 | lcuk | no ssvb, its very unexpected to tear. (in powersave mode) normally, it runs simply slower, less fps. |
| 21:46.35 | ssvb | lcuk: and get worse tearing as a result |
| 21:46.37 | lcuk | still no noticable tearing |
| 21:46.38 | AFBN810 | Hey Stskeeps |
| 21:46.45 | lcuk | thats the effect i see |
| 21:47.02 | lcuk | but then for some reasons occasionally tearing phases in for a few seconds |
| 21:47.07 | lcuk | like inteference on a tv |
| 21:47.11 | lcuk | then drifts away again |
| 21:47.38 | ssvb | lcuk: that probably happens when cpu switches between 165/400 MHz |
| 21:47.43 | lcuk | i get black and white photos (cos the color planes vanished) |
| 21:47.53 | ssvb | lcuk: you can easily check it by disabling frequency scaling |
| 21:47.56 | lcuk | or no photos (cos all vanished!) |
| 21:48.04 | RST38h | and more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1878462,00.html |
| 21:48.04 | lcuk | im locked to powersave mode now |
| 21:48.14 | GeneralAntilles | I find this thinking baffling: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=264701&postcount=7 |
| 21:48.29 | GeneralAntilles | Things are obviously related because I think they're related. |
| 21:48.58 | lcuk | ill look deeper ssvb, its feeling more like the new code. liqbase default cannot visibly reproduce it |
| 21:49.07 | lcuk | but then again, its doing different stuff |
| 21:49.15 | ssvb | lcuk: try 'echo null > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor && echo 0 > /sys/power/op_active' for 400MHz |
| 21:49.21 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: isn't it going to be wonderful when we can just point to a control panel applet? .. |
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| 21:49.38 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, yes. |
| 21:49.50 | GeneralAntilles | Unfortunately it'll just be replaced by something else. |
| 21:49.53 | ssvb | lcuk: and 'echo null > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor && echo 3 > /sys/power/op_active' for 165MHz |
| 21:50.08 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: hehe, yes :P |
| 21:50.35 | lcuk | ssvb, ok, but wont powersave and perofrmance do that? |
| 21:50.39 | lcuk | performance |
| 21:50.44 | ssvb | lcuk: have no idea |
| 21:51.04 | ssvb | lcuk: but this is guaranteed to work |
| 21:51.11 | lcuk | its always appeared to, in powersave i get much less fps in a stable locked at one speed manner |
| 21:51.19 | lcuk | same in performance, but lots of fps |
| 21:51.27 | lcuk | in ondemand it does the changes |
| 21:51.30 | GeneralAntilles | "I wish experienced users would be more specific about what order you should setup ad-block and install BattleGweled in." |
| 21:52.00 | RST38h | General: he is a newbie and he is in a defensive mode now |
| 21:52.06 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: after spending time on iTT you long back to the bookstore or how was it you work(ed before)? :P |
| 21:52.16 | RST38h | General: give him some slack |
| 21:52.27 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, RogerS? |
| 21:52.34 | GeneralAntilles | He butted into the thread. |
| 21:52.37 | GeneralAntilles | He's not the OP. |
| 21:52.45 | lcuk | no ssvb, still same with the tweaks |
| 21:52.49 | lcuk | ill check in code |
| 21:52.54 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, sometimes. |
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| 21:53.09 | GeneralAntilles | Though at least here there's no expectance of good customer service. :P |
| 21:53.26 | lcuk | thanks though |
| 21:53.33 | RST38h | General: Well, I see no effective method to flame him in this situation, so it may just be better to ignore =) |
| 21:53.40 | ssvb | lcuk: ok, do you use default kernel? did you try tweaking any tearing related properties for XV? |
| 21:53.57 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I find the mindset baffling is all. ;) |
| 21:54.08 | lcuk | yeah ssvb, its rock solid stable in old liqbase and it comes and goes in this, ill try and pinpoint it |
| 21:54.41 | RST38h | BTW http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/02/sony-ericsson-idou.jpg |
| 21:54.56 | RST38h | More and more of these things start looking like the tablet... |
| 21:55.42 | GeneralAntilles | s/tablet/iPhone/ |
| 21:56.17 | Stskeeps | star trek padds |
| 21:56.18 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:56.24 | RST38h | Judging from the number of buttons at the edge, it is rather tablet then iphone |
| 21:56.38 | RST38h | Sts: Padds were iphones all right =) |
| 21:56.55 | Stskeeps | a lot of fanboys, or what? |
| 21:56.56 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:57.03 | GeneralAntilles | Trust me, they're not grabbing their inspiration from Internet Tablets. |
| 21:57.15 | RST38h | yea, guess so |
| 21:57.29 | GeneralAntilles | They're just not quite as radical as Apple. |
| 21:57.33 | RST38h | Apple did manage to kick phone industry's collective ass |
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| 21:58.24 | RST38h | "With an OS based on Symbian, the Idou continues..." <=== wait, WHAT??? |
| 21:58.36 | Macer | hm |
| 21:58.37 | RST38h | Sony switching to S60? |
| 21:58.41 | Macer | ok.. lets see if this fucks up again |
| 21:58.51 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: is it a japanese phone? |
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| 21:59.01 | Stskeeps | RST38h: debian lenny release, symbian on SE .. hell freezing over? |
| 21:59.10 | timeless | i though sony used to use synbian |
| 21:59.16 | qwerty12_N800 | uiq |
| 21:59.18 | RST38h | qwerty: apparently not |
| 21:59.20 | Macer | i had to start over.. that kinda sucsk.. especially since it was putting the fbsd kernel on .. it was almost finished |
| 21:59.23 | Macer | wierd |
| 21:59.26 | dick-richardson | I tried easy-deb-chroot and set the cpu to performance...didn't like it and removed it. the cpu has stayed maxed since...is there a way to reset the cpu scaling? |
| 21:59.28 | RST38h | qwerty: or they would not announce it at MWC |
| 21:59.31 | Macer | it just kind of stopped on its own and wouldn't keep going |
| 22:00.55 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: odd. uiq's gone so I guess it makes sense. I know that symbian foma's been used on the japanese phones... but i've always wanted a s60 se phone... lets see how this turns out |
| 22:01.25 | Stskeeps | heh, next up, Sony-Ericsson bought by Nokia :p |
| 22:01.37 | RST38h | qwerty: I still suspect it is using WinMo, not S60 |
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| 22:02.09 | Stskeeps | WinMo with a shiny shell |
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| 22:02.16 | Stskeeps | that is really the norm these days isn't it? |
| 22:02.34 | qwerty12_N800 | it still looks a bit like uiq's default font |
| 22:04.02 | qwerty12_N800 | never thought he'd be seeing the day where lack of buttons is apparently a feature |
| 22:04.51 | Stskeeps | they should really employ those things where you can add physical buttons to the screen by putting them on top of the screen |
| 22:05.00 | Stskeeps | add a d-pad, place here. |
| 22:05.09 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 22:05.34 | Stskeeps | think of it though, - general purpose tablet devices |
| 22:05.49 | Stskeeps | which can be extended with physical elements |
| 22:06.01 | GeneralAntilles | Then Stskeeps can mack LCARS printouts to go behind them http://www.chproducts.com/retail/mfp.html |
| 22:07.08 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: yes, that is what i was thinking of |
| 22:07.32 | Stskeeps | but my idea was to have it directly on display :P |
| 22:07.43 | GeneralAntilles | <3 CH Products |
| 22:07.48 | GeneralAntilles | Wow |
| 22:07.50 | GeneralAntilles | 2TB hard drives |
| 22:07.53 | GeneralAntilles | missed that one. |
| 22:08.15 | Stskeeps | i'd rather have a raidz2 with smaller drives instead of loosing 2tb at a time. |
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| 22:08.39 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, hehe, yeah, I'm thinking like that too. |
| 22:09.08 | GeneralAntilles | I recall jumping for joy over a 75MB hard drive. |
| 22:09.32 | Stskeeps | mm, i went from 20mb to 400mb |
| 22:09.35 | Stskeeps | i was amazed |
| 22:10.04 | Stskeeps | then again, i found windows 1.0 fascinating at some point |
| 22:10.33 | GeneralAntilles | It's a bit scary to think how far tech has come. |
| 22:11.01 | Stskeeps | on the other hand, it is fascinating to listen to my dads stories of early tech in .dk |
| 22:12.18 | GeneralAntilles | I like my dad's stories of rifling through garbage cans to get discarded punchcards to use as templates for assignments. |
| 22:13.54 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 22:14.23 | fireun | not gonna find many discarded usb flash drives in the trash these days |
| 22:14.34 | fireun | unless you're at los alamos of course (; |
| 22:14.49 | fireun | or maybe wallstreet |
| 22:15.04 | fireun | maybe ebay is the modern equiv |
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| 22:27.24 | RST38h | once read about some security researcher (sic) spreading viruses on "discarded" usb flash drives |
| 22:28.33 | RST38h | just to see how many people will snuff 'em |
| 22:29.12 | befr0d_ | RST38h, ati85 ftw =) |
| 22:38.31 | Proteous | RST38h: I've read about that, funny stuff |
| 22:39.10 | Proteous | some of the sandisk cruser drives have a virtual CDrom on them that you can hack so that on windows it will autorun code when you insert it |
| 22:39.32 | Proteous | the researchers I was reading about had to rely on putting inticing files on the flash drive in hopes that people would run them |
| 22:39.39 | qwerty12_N800 | gonzor payload... good times i had at school... |
| 22:39.58 | Proteous | heh |
| 22:40.12 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: happen to know where HAL picks up the info if its a RX-34 and all that jazz? |
| 22:40.56 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: no but I can flnd out |
| 22:41.26 | Stskeeps | k |
| 22:41.36 | Stskeeps | mxr? :P |
| 22:42.07 | qwerty12_N800 | no, good ol investigation of the files in my tablet :) |
| 22:42.11 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 22:42.58 | Stskeeps | i just realized the reason the HAL rule didn't match was .. because it had no hw to match with |
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| 22:46.58 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: at a guess, somewhere, it reads /proc/cpuinfo & /proc/component_version |
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| 23:09.05 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: yeah, HAL .. |
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| 23:15.10 | Stskeeps | yawns |
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