| 00:02.17 | guysoft42 | um this is strange- could it be that something happend to my keymap? because the fn key stoped working.. |
| 00:11.18 | fhjs | im lost here, how do you open files from outside your home dir in leafpad, your file manager or anything? |
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| 00:13.25 | crashanddie | Now I understand why you don't need brake-lights on the side of a car: http://www.gtspirit.com/uploads/images/finalis%20081108%201853.jpg |
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| 00:14.30 | practisevoodoo | anyone got any idea why i cant run a python program that uses gpsbt on my maemo if i try to kick it off via an ssh session? |
| 00:14.54 | practisevoodoo | doesnt really matter but it is a bit annoying |
| 00:15.29 | crashanddie | on your maemo? |
| 00:15.30 | crashanddie | NIT? |
| 00:16.15 | practisevoodoo | i must be really tired cause i can only think of one NIT |
| 00:16.20 | crashanddie | practisevoodoo: if gpsbt is a command you execute from within python, check if you have the permissions/path set correctly access the executable |
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| 00:16.52 | crashanddie | practisevoodoo: 770, n800, n810? |
| 00:17.16 | practisevoodoo | n810, it works if i kick it off from xsession on the actual device |
| 00:17.17 | crashanddie | wow, I actually forgot half of that sentence |
| 00:17.41 | crashanddie | practisevoodoo: again, let me repeat the path/permission comment |
| 00:18.40 | fhjs | ok i used mc as root in xterm to open my sources.list file in leafpad yet for some strange reason its blank? |
| 00:19.04 | crashanddie | fhjs: probably wrong path |
| 00:19.22 | fhjs | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:19.24 | fhjs | ? |
| 00:19.36 | fhjs | should be it |
| 00:20.21 | crashanddie | /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list |
| 00:21.06 | crashanddie | fhjs: /etc/apt/sources.list is empty everywhere, unless you add stuff to it, that is :) |
| 00:21.15 | practisevoodoo | excellent, thanks for that crashanddie. I ssh in as root and su to user and it works |
| 00:21.29 | fhjs | i have repos though |
| 00:21.53 | fhjs | added via the app manager |
| 00:21.53 | crashanddie | practisevoodoo: glad I could help |
| 00:22.27 | fhjs | under tools catalogue, where are those stored? |
| 00:23.02 | crashanddie | /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list |
| 00:24.56 | fhjs | ah thanks |
| 00:25.03 | fhjs | stupid doubles in it |
| 00:25.14 | fhjs | trying to weed them out |
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| 00:50.59 | MaceN800 | now i'm all amped up to get my artigo |
| 00:51.06 | MaceN800 | heh |
| 00:51.06 | MaceN800 | maybe i'll put mer on it |
| 00:51.06 | MaceN800 | lol |
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| 01:06.20 | t3rminat0r | Hello guys what's up? |
| 01:08.02 | t3rminat0r | Stskeeps: is it easy to learn how to make to power button working on mer? |
| 01:10.34 | andre__ | dumdidum. |
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| 01:41.50 | rm_you | johnx: any luck? |
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| 04:52.22 | matt___ | Does anyone have experience/a link for setting up irreco with vlc? |
| 04:57.18 | t3rminat0r | does anyone has any good pics of mer??? |
| 04:57.22 | t3rminat0r | (for demonstration) |
| 04:59.57 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: Missed a step in the imager, need to make the /dev/input directtory before you mknod in it. will push a change to lp |
| 05:00.43 | t3rminat0r | r2d2rogers: have you any repository of mer images? |
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| 05:01.04 | r2d2rogers | pictures or rootfs images? |
| 05:01.37 | r2d2rogers | http://picasaweb.google.com/meizirkki |
| 05:01.40 | r2d2rogers | some there |
| 05:01.58 | r2d2rogers | (screenshots) |
| 05:02.08 | t3rminat0r | that's what i wanted :) |
| 05:02.10 | t3rminat0r | thanx bro |
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| 05:02.46 | r2d2rogers | welcome |
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| 05:12.38 | t3rminat0r | r2d2rogers: something last |
| 05:12.51 | t3rminat0r | do you have any screenshot of splash screen? |
| 05:12.54 | r2d2rogers | ? |
| 05:13.14 | t3rminat0r | the boot menu of Nxxx |
| 05:13.23 | t3rminat0r | in order to access mer or maemo |
| 05:13.51 | r2d2rogers | not the rescure menu but the advances bootmenu ? |
| 05:13.56 | r2d2rogers | rescue? |
| 05:14.15 | r2d2rogers | rescue menu is in here at the bottom of the post http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/01/18/mer-ui-the-beginning/ |
| 05:15.06 | t3rminat0r | man... this is TOO much beautiful... |
| 05:15.10 | t3rminat0r | in my N810 |
| 05:15.15 | r2d2rogers | yuop |
| 05:15.18 | t3rminat0r | it is some letters.... |
| 05:15.21 | r2d2rogers | I'm playing with 770s |
| 05:15.26 | t3rminat0r | have I done something wrong? |
| 05:15.34 | r2d2rogers | ? |
| 05:15.48 | r2d2rogers | you have just the black text on white screen? |
| 05:15.55 | t3rminat0r | yes.... |
| 05:16.03 | r2d2rogers | that's normal for start |
| 05:16.07 | r2d2rogers | then the splash hits |
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| 05:16.35 | t3rminat0r | how do I make it? |
| 05:16.54 | t3rminat0r | it says BOOT MENU |
| 05:16.59 | t3rminat0r | Interna flash |
| 05:17.06 | r2d2rogers | is there one for Mer? |
| 05:17.12 | t3rminat0r | mer on external card, p3 |
| 05:17.18 | r2d2rogers | there ya go |
| 05:17.26 | t3rminat0r | power off ( when not on charger) |
| 05:17.27 | r2d2rogers | dpad down to that and hit the center button on the dpad |
| 05:17.36 | r2d2rogers | mer on external Card p3 |
| 05:17.40 | t3rminat0r | yes |
| 05:17.53 | t3rminat0r | but it books only a simple screen |
| 05:17.56 | r2d2rogers | got it? |
| 05:18.07 | r2d2rogers | right, the boot menu is... |
| 05:18.09 | t3rminat0r | http://picasaweb.google.com/meizirkki/MerOnN810#5292631353482276018 |
| 05:18.15 | t3rminat0r | I see only this one |
| 05:18.26 | r2d2rogers | Yup |
| 05:18.30 | t3rminat0r | and afterwars the "desktop" of mer |
| 05:18.46 | t3rminat0r | but this http://tabletui.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/mer3.jpg?w=800&h=480 |
| 05:18.55 | t3rminat0r | is much more differenet from my mer... |
| 05:18.58 | r2d2rogers | if you want the rescue menu you need to hole the "home" button from the instant you see the blue splash |
| 05:19.13 | r2d2rogers | yeah he's got a theme in there. |
| 05:19.40 | r2d2rogers | I think that might be a mockup also |
| 05:19.49 | r2d2rogers | not yet working theme |
| 05:20.10 | t3rminat0r | until then it would be simple |
| 05:20.20 | r2d2rogers | right |
| 05:20.30 | r2d2rogers | more like the maemo themes |
| 05:20.48 | r2d2rogers | but I think they have some proof od concept work toward that mockup done |
| 05:20.55 | t3rminat0r | ok then |
| 05:20.57 | t3rminat0r | it's ok |
| 05:21.04 | t3rminat0r | something last |
| 05:21.09 | t3rminat0r | had you managed |
| 05:21.14 | t3rminat0r | to get your powerbutton |
| 05:21.16 | t3rminat0r | working? |
| 05:21.28 | t3rminat0r | (in order not to type sudo poweroff) |
| 05:21.31 | r2d2rogers | nope on the 770 I'm still focused on the wifi driver right now |
| 05:21.38 | r2d2rogers | I don't have a n8x0 |
| 05:22.21 | t3rminat0r | in case I am running out of battery in either maemo |
| 05:22.26 | t3rminat0r | or mer |
| 05:22.35 | t3rminat0r | the device would shutdown by itself? |
| 05:22.44 | r2d2rogers | yeah, I usually work with it plugged in when I'm playing with Mer right now |
| 05:23.12 | r2d2rogers | I beleive so... the watchdog stuff is active last I heard |
| 05:23.18 | slonopotamus | hi |
| 05:23.35 | r2d2rogers | howdy slonopotamus |
| 05:23.41 | slonopotamus | anyone tried compiling pygtk on device? |
| 05:23.53 | r2d2rogers | not I |
| 05:24.45 | t3rminat0r | οκ μαν |
| 05:24.47 | t3rminat0r | thanx |
| 05:24.58 | t3rminat0r | aaaaaaaaaaa |
| 05:25.08 | t3rminat0r | and I can also use any install file |
| 05:25.10 | t3rminat0r | form maemo |
| 05:25.17 | t3rminat0r | also in mer |
| 05:25.26 | t3rminat0r | (such as personal menu, right?) |
| 05:26.11 | r2d2rogers | t3rminat0r: If you have a recent image I think the hildon application manager is working properly |
| 05:26.23 | t3rminat0r | nice :) |
| 05:26.28 | t3rminat0r | i installed fennec |
| 05:26.28 | r2d2rogers | I think there are issues with the personal menu, but personal launcher works fine |
| 05:26.32 | t3rminat0r | and it works |
| 05:26.35 | r2d2rogers | <G> |
| 05:26.47 | r2d2rogers | yup I finally saw that on my 770 with Mer |
| 05:26.56 | t3rminat0r | <G> ? |
| 05:26.57 | slonopotamus | i have strange results. it builds in 2 minutes on my desktop. i expected something about 10-15 minutes on device. but it compiled gtk.c for a day (!), ate 90 mb ram and still didn't finish. i suspect there is some weird bug in gcc |
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| 05:48.50 | Macer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0Ee4tNl3Vg |
| 05:48.57 | Macer | wow that thing is pretty small |
| 05:50.54 | GeneralAntilles | Macer, buy a Beagle. |
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| 05:57.53 | Macer | already bought this thing |
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| 06:55.24 | jaem | good morning |
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| 06:56.45 | Corsac | damn, the tablet doesn't sleep when connected to wlan |
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| 06:56.53 | Corsac | so it *again* passed out during the night |
| 06:57.13 | Macer | blah |
| 06:57.20 | jaem | I have to wonder... why did Nokia name their flasher "fiasco"? Fiasco is exactly what I *don't* want to happen when I'm flashing :S |
| 06:57.53 | Corsac | some kind of humour :) |
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| 06:58.14 | GeneralAntilles | Corsac, are you sure your AP isn't broken? |
| 06:58.34 | GeneralAntilles | You should get about 4 days idle on WiFi if you don't have a broken-ass AP or some service isn't using the network a lot. |
| 06:58.49 | Corsac | GeneralAntilles: not really sure |
| 06:58.55 | Corsac | what do you call a broken AP? |
| 06:58.57 | GeneralAntilles | jaem, FIASCO is an RTOS |
| 06:59.06 | GeneralAntilles | Corsac, one that doesn't support wifi power saving |
| 06:59.10 | GeneralAntilles | ~psm |
| 06:59.11 | infobot | i guess psm is Personal Security Manager for Mozilla, at http://docs.iplanet.com/docs/manuals/psm/psm-mozilla/index.html. You don't need to restart mozilla as noted on that URL. It also consumes 100% CPU unfortunately... lame piece of software. no longer works as of mozilla 0.7, or needed for viewing of some login sites, i.e. yahoo. install by apt-get install mozilla-psm |
| 06:59.13 | GeneralAntilles | ~wifi-psm |
| 06:59.14 | infobot | rumour has it, wifi-psm is http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM) |
| 06:59.25 | Corsac | how that's surely possible |
| 06:59.36 | Corsac | and there is trafic (low, but still) basically alway |
| 06:59.37 | Corsac | +s |
| 07:00.15 | tekojo | Morning! |
| 07:01.19 | jaem | GA: that would make more sense, then... how is it related to the flasher, then? |
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| 07:01.42 | GeneralAntilles | jaem, NOLO |
| 07:02.38 | Corsac | http://bugs.freeplayer.org/task/2538 |
| 07:02.42 | Corsac | (french, sorry) |
| 07:04.32 | Corsac | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3481 is the maemo associated bug |
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| 07:48.10 | Stskeeps | morning |
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| 07:53.36 | Stskeeps | pong daperl |
| 07:55.45 | daperl | Stskeeps, what's goin' on? I'm just heading to bed. |
| 07:56.00 | Stskeeps | not much. i am waking up, cleaning the house and going to my dads :P |
| 07:56.59 | daperl | Stskeeps, It's midnight here. What time is it there? |
| 07:57.24 | mavhc | damn you round earth, also, ctcp time |
| 07:59.14 | Stskeeps | daperl: 8:55am |
| 08:02.40 | daperl | Stskeeps, I have my son till Monday morning. My hope is to hand something off to you by bedtime Tuesday. |
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| 08:08.40 | Stskeeps | alright, have a good weekend with the son :) |
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| 08:11.12 | daperl | Stskeeps, thanks, goodnight |
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| 08:14.39 | RST38h | moo all |
| 08:15.37 | solmumaha | morning |
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| 10:38.14 | zeenix | kulve: hi, did you get to read MAFW docs |
| 10:38.17 | zeenix | ? |
| 10:38.42 | kulve | I read just some high level stuff quickly.. |
| 10:39.13 | kulve | garage.maemo.org/projects/mafw is still empty and there's still no "home page" for the project |
| 10:41.11 | timeless | hello |
| 10:41.11 | RST38h | Anyone knows what the status of the latest Canola2b11 is? Can it be promoted to Extras? |
| 10:41.11 | timeless | is sick |
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| 10:42.29 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, don't promote things you don't own. |
| 10:42.35 | zeenix | kulve: bah! i really need to talk to those guys |
| 10:42.38 | RST38h | General: I do not |
| 10:42.45 | StsN800 | <3 trains with wifi |
| 10:42.51 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=264198 see this thread for details. |
| 10:42.51 | RST38h | General: Just inquiring if this is gonna happen any time soon |
| 10:43.08 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, soon, they're just cleaning up a few loose ends. |
| 10:44.37 | suihkulokki | zeenix: why are you supporting other peoples but not me on MAFW :P |
| 10:45.00 | timeless | suihkulokki: s/peoples/people/ |
| 10:45.01 | zeenix | suihkulokki: because you are asking questions about it that i've no clue about :) |
| 10:45.05 | timeless | peoples are like nations |
| 10:45.21 | timeless | 1 person; 2 people |
| 10:45.23 | zeenix | suihkulokki: ignore timeless |
| 10:45.34 | suihkulokki | I am |
| 10:45.41 | zeenix | suihkulokki: when he is correcting your english that is :) |
| 10:45.51 | suihkulokki | I typo - therefor I am |
| 10:45.58 | RST38h | Genral: thanks =) |
| 10:46.02 | suihkulokki | I typo - therefor I am _human_ |
| 10:46.17 | zeenix | suihkulokki: you are peopleS :) |
| 10:46.28 | timeless | therefore :) |
| 10:46.44 | timeless | The form without a final .E. is an archaic bit of legal terminology meaning .for.. The word most people want is .therefore.. List of errors. |
| 10:46.45 | timeless | www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/therefor.html |
| 10:47.17 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, sorry for the harsh reaction. The way you phrased it immediately made me picture the apocalypse occurring on itT as a thousand posts instantly get added to the b11 thread. |
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| 10:48.38 | StsN800 | isn't every day apocalypse day on iTT? |
| 10:49.03 | timeless | sts: certainly :) |
| 10:49.20 | jaska | or armageddon, the final conflict? |
| 10:50.56 | t_s_o | is there a way to check if the fm radio electronics are still up and running? |
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| 10:52.48 | RST38h | will go and promote random shit from Extras Devel like *right away* =) |
| 10:52.56 | RST38h | For extra mayhem |
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| 10:57.21 | timeless | gan: ok, i've pushed a new .zip |
| 10:57.36 | timeless | people interested in testing my en-us are requested to grab the latest file |
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| 11:00.24 | suihkulokki | "It's (Exherbo) quite different from other distributions because at this time it doesn't center on end-users, and also doesn't want to attract too many developers." |
| 11:00.27 | suihkulokki | what? |
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| 11:00.52 | StsN802 | timeless, microb-related string: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/microboff.png , spot the error |
| 11:01.57 | StsN802 | a |
| 11:03.19 | aquatix | StsN802: the first bullet point? at least it's a not-so-fluent sentence |
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| 11:03.41 | timelE61i | sorry, network failed |
| 11:03.57 | timelE61i | We were internally aware of the offline mode stuff |
| 11:04.03 | timelE61i | As well as the advice |
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| 11:04.16 | timelE61i | We decided to leave it alone |
| 11:04.43 | StsN802 | suihkulokki, sounds like a gentoo derivative.. |
| 11:05.32 | RST38h | suihkulokki: doesn't this statement cover like 90% inux distros out there? |
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| 11:06.52 | GeneralAntilles | suihkulokki, it's a lot of ex-Gentoo guys. |
| 11:08.09 | StsN802 | timeless, yeah, i am surprised the error even showed up |
| 11:08.33 | suihkulokki | RST38h: most distrost try attract developers the best they can |
| 11:08.54 | suihkulokki | except for the one-man distros |
| 11:09.01 | RST38h | suihkulokki: not Slackware or Gentoo |
| 11:09.18 | timelE61i | um |
| 11:09.39 | timelE61i | The skype installer looks funny on Mer/h-d Frem |
| 11:09.57 | timelE61i | It pops up at the NW screen corner |
| 11:10.33 | StsN802 | possibly an artefact of movable dialogs |
| 11:10.47 | StsN802 | mauku has a similar issue |
| 11:10.50 | suihkulokki | RST38h: I know gentoo recruits new developers, but slackware counts as one-man distro :P |
| 11:11.02 | timelE61i | Help |
| 11:11.11 | timelE61i | I was asked to add a catlog |
| 11:11.17 | timelE61i | I clicked details |
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| 11:11.27 | timelE61i | Now i have a button free dialog |
| 11:11.46 | StsN802 | esc |
| 11:11.52 | timelE61i | It doesn't respond to escape or clicking out of the dialog |
| 11:12.55 | StsN802 | timelE61i, hmm. yeah, we gotta get the x'es back in dialogs.. |
| 11:13.29 | timeless | frowns |
| 11:13.31 | timeless | picture coming |
| 11:14.12 | timeless | timeless.justdave.net/maemo/h-a-m-cannot-escape.png |
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| 11:16.21 | StsN802 | on a slight wtf.. hildonized skype for x86 exists? |
| 11:16.39 | timeless | sts: from nokia? for nokians? |
| 11:16.43 | timeless | dunno |
| 11:16.47 | timeless | but the installer does :) |
| 11:16.58 | StsN802 | hehe |
| 11:17.06 | StsN802 | timeless, try enter |
| 11:17.22 | timeless | no worky |
| 11:17.51 | timeless | considers trying to read the code for the skype-installer |
| 11:17.53 | StsN802 | prolly cos ham is half diablo and a bit pre fremantle |
| 11:17.56 | timeless | iirc i've actually looked recently |
| 11:18.16 | timeless | oh, but hrm, yeah, no point in looking at the installer |
| 11:18.18 | timeless | this is a ham bug |
| 11:18.22 | StsN802 | (it is not the git version) |
| 11:18.26 | timeless | which ham do i have? |
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| 11:18.53 | StsN802 | ham svn garage r1465 i think |
| 11:19.12 | timeless | i have 1:2.1.20~unreleased-r1... |
| 11:19.27 | StsN802 | we didn't have upstart-dev and others beforre prealpha2 so we couldn't do git |
| 11:19.41 | timeless | is my version sane? |
| 11:20.42 | StsN802 | no, but it works reasonably.. we have to pull in the new patches |
| 11:20.49 | StsN802 | from git ver |
| 11:21.37 | timeless | my definition of sane is 'not diablo' |
| 11:21.54 | timeless | remember i've installed nearly every diablo package there is :) |
| 11:21.57 | timeless | gotta collect them all |
| 11:24.21 | timeless | pokes gan/jaffa |
| 11:24.48 | GAN800 | Hum? |
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| 11:24.53 | timeless | sts: should i file a bug about ham? |
| 11:25.02 | timeless | gan: can i get you to test my latest l10n pack? |
| 11:26.07 | timeless | sts: from memory, the skype installer basically has a .install file and then asks ham to open it |
| 11:26.17 | GAN800 | In a bit |
| 11:26.44 | timeless | the install file merely specifies the nokia catalog (tableteer), and the package to install (dunno) |
| 11:27.07 | timeless | the details dialog seems to be app modal |
| 11:27.14 | timeless | so i can't click the app close button |
| 11:27.23 | timeless | and because of its position, i can't click the window switcher button |
| 11:28.03 | timeless | i canuse my keyboard to open the window switcher, but of course [x] doesn't work, because the app proceses events |
| 11:28.07 | timeless | sighs |
| 11:28.14 | timeless | coplained about this behavior a couple of years ago |
| 11:29.52 | timeless | sts: can you use a core dump from ham? |
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| 11:32.55 | timeless | oh gah |
| 11:32.56 | timeless | sighs |
| 11:33.04 | timeless | kicks osso-games |
| 11:33.13 | timeless | they really don't get this "one string per use" thing |
| 11:33.37 | StsN802 | timeless, judging from your screenshots it really does seem like there is hope for mer bits combined with fremantle closed source bits is possible |
| 11:33.59 | timeless | i'm having very few problems |
| 11:34.02 | timeless | a couple of things don't install |
| 11:34.08 | timeless | but that's because of dependency hell |
| 11:34.15 | StsN802 | timeless, yes, file a bug, but to mer for now |
| 11:34.15 | timeless | which is so much worse than dll hell |
| 11:34.29 | StsN802 | yes, it is |
| 11:35.00 | StsN802 | we have some dirty tricks to make it easier to grab maemo stuff |
| 11:35.28 | StsN802 | you would be astonished how much depends on 'base64' |
| 11:35.43 | timeless | nah |
| 11:35.49 | timeless | i have an xref, i can just ask :) |
| 11:36.03 | timeless | atm, xkbdata is the one that kills me |
| 11:36.18 | timeless | if you could make the package you have use provides instead of conflicts |
| 11:36.26 | timeless | that'd let me install the last missing bits of diablo |
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| 11:36.43 | StsN802 | mm |
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| 11:37.04 | StsN802 | which package? |
| 11:37.23 | timeless | xkb-data 1.4-1ubuntu3 |
| 11:37.32 | timeless | xkbdata 0.8-0osso28diablo2 |
| 11:37.39 | timeless | the former conflicts w/ the latter |
| 11:37.53 | StsN802 | it doesn't provides it too? |
| 11:37.54 | timeless | and some bits of osso depend on the latter |
| 11:38.12 | timeless | not afaict |
| 11:38.31 | StsN802 | they don't depend based on version right? |
| 11:39.46 | timeless | unversioned requirement from osso-applet-bluetooth-keyboard |
| 11:40.32 | StsN802 | should be relatively painless then |
| 11:40.42 | timeless | i gave up and wget + dpkg -i'd it |
| 11:40.51 | timeless | doesn't consider the currrent state painless |
| 11:40.54 | timeless | but yes, it should be |
| 11:41.11 | StsN802 | as in, to fix it |
| 11:41.12 | timeless | can someone tell me what version of skype-installer is in the latest official diablo? |
| 11:41.47 | GeneralAntilles | timeless, what should I be paying attention to? |
| 11:41.55 | timeless | oh, nm |
| 11:42.04 | timeless | gan: um, sadly everything |
| 11:42.10 | timeless | i tried to get 'AV Chat' right |
| 11:42.16 | timeless | i tried to get 'call' mostly dead |
| 11:42.27 | timeless | i tried not to use 'device' unless i meant bluetooth |
| 11:42.40 | timeless | i'm trying not to use ... for things where the user is asking for a dialog |
| 11:42.48 | timeless | so a menu should be 'settings' not 'settings...' |
| 11:43.10 | timeless | but an item 'add foopy...' needs the '...'s because the user will hit a dialog before the user can successfully get the user's foopy |
| 11:43.53 | zeenix | kulve: btw, i'll try to get a GSoC student to write the gvfs backend |
| 11:44.14 | zeenix | kulve: http://live.gnome.org/Rygel/GSoC2009 |
| 11:44.26 | zeenix | kulve: i hope you don't mind me mentioning your project there :) |
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| 11:44.41 | timeless | in general, there shouldn't be many instances of 'phone' |
| 11:44.49 | timeless | the uses of 'mobile' should be rare (cellular) |
| 11:45.02 | GeneralAntilles | zeenix, I only got the Rygel/Farscape connection recently. Nice name. ;) |
| 11:45.08 | timeless | i've tried to make the media player net radio directory strings rane |
| 11:45.23 | timeless | heh |
| 11:45.28 | timeless | s/rane/sane/ |
| 11:45.43 | Stskeeps | poss |
| 11:46.26 | timeless | the errors from media player are still not ideal |
| 11:46.40 | timeless | if you use maps or rhapsody or skype, things should be closer to the strings seen elsewhere |
| 11:46.54 | timeless | oh, in general you shouldn't see 'Internet connection' |
| 11:47.14 | timeless | because the tablet doesn't really know if the connection is for the Internet or just some private network |
| 11:47.21 | timeless | however, i think some of those strings need work |
| 11:47.30 | timeless | because sometimes 'connection' alone is probably less than ideal |
| 11:47.41 | timeless | in the cases i caught that, it should say 'network' instead |
| 11:48.04 | kulve | zeenix: of course not :) |
| 11:48.33 | kulve | zeenix: and I want to integrate it to ALIP as well (in http://linux.onarm.com) |
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| 11:49.37 | timeless | where does one go to file bugs against osso-games? |
| 11:49.57 | zeenix | GeneralAntilles: heh! thanks |
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| 11:53.08 | timeless | forwns |
| 11:53.13 | timeless | frowns |
| 11:54.39 | timeless | anyone here know what _ai_ means? :) |
| 11:54.59 | timeless | err _ia_ |
| 11:56.07 | aquatix | intel architecture? |
| 11:56.25 | timeless | no |
| 11:56.27 | aquatix | needs more context otherwise |
| 11:57.35 | Jaffa | timeless: examples? "internet ..."? |
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| 11:57.47 | Jaffa | stopped trying to guess what the two-letter codes were in the i18n strings |
| 12:00.04 | timeless | game_ia_startup_not_started |
| 12:01.12 | aquatix | input autput? |
| 12:01.17 | aquatix | runs |
| 12:02.13 | timeless | internal application? :) |
| 12:02.16 | timeless | shrugs |
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| 12:02.22 | timeless | all i know is that ia != ib |
| 12:02.26 | timeless | and yet, bug 4112 |
| 12:02.28 | timeless | grumbles |
| 12:02.39 | timeless | oh, and for people who are curious, titles != buttons |
| 12:02.45 | timeless | (4107) |
| 12:02.55 | Jaffa | timeless: interactive? |
| 12:03.14 | timeless | this string is mostly printed int he games startup above start/continue |
| 12:03.21 | timeless | or whatever those buttons say |
| 12:03.28 | timeless | in my localization it's " " |
| 12:03.32 | timeless | because it's stupid |
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| 12:03.52 | timeless | but it means you get an empty info banner :) |
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| 12:04.46 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia's just encoding dirty words into the strings. ;) |
| 12:04.59 | aquatix | hm, initiation action? |
| 12:05.25 | timeless | shrugs |
| 12:05.34 | timeless | gan's right, you don't want to know |
| 12:05.37 | dphil9000 | In Finnish |
| 12:05.38 | timeless | doesn't know and should be glad |
| 12:06.20 | tekojo | GeneralAntilles: and then we censor ourselves? |
| 12:07.14 | timeless | tekojo: where do you censor yourself? |
| 12:07.21 | timeless | (or self-censor) |
| 12:07.31 | RST38h | "Text messaging, email and internet chat rooms are showing us the way forward for English. Let's allow people greater freedom to spell logically. It's time to remove the fetish that says that correct spelling is a principal (principle?) mark of being educated." |
| 12:07.40 | tekojo | timeless: in the dirty words section |
| 12:07.58 | timeless | tekojo: is diablo a dirty word these days? |
| 12:08.11 | RST38h | John Wells of University College London (you will have to google for his email to flame him) |
| 12:08.16 | tekojo | timeless: depends on the language :-) |
| 12:09.03 | timeless | en-FI |
| 12:09.04 | timeless | :) |
| 12:09.11 | timeless | (which is a dirty language fwiw, but..) |
| 12:09.16 | StsN801 | glances at the snow outside the train and suspects its cold .. |
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| 12:11.16 | aquatix | RST38h: to hell with capital letters and interpunction LOL |
| 12:11.23 | aquatix | ;) |
| 12:11.49 | RST38h | and spelin tu i heit spelin |
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| 12:12.02 | lardman | andwhilewereatitletsgetridofspacestoo |
| 12:12.15 | aquatix | saves a lot of bandwidth |
| 12:12.35 | RST38h | tsvbndwdthrmvllthvwls |
| 12:12.38 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 12:12.52 | GeneralAntilles | aquatix, just think of all the money we'll save not having to upgrade the internet! |
| 12:13.17 | timeless | my favorite box has a 95gb allocation |
| 12:13.19 | timeless | it's full |
| 12:13.20 | aquatix | indeed! |
| 12:13.30 | RST38h | General: But only if you convert all the porn into ascii art |
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| 12:13.57 | aquatix | RST38h: you mean you aren't watching ascii pr0n then normally? |
| 12:14.19 | RST38h | aquatix: somehow, this fad passed me unnoticed |
| 12:14.50 | timeless | heh |
| 12:14.50 | aquatix | likes the streaming ascii video better though |
| 12:14.56 | timeless | google bought a finnish paper mill |
| 12:15.11 | aquatix | heh, yeah |
| 12:15.23 | aquatix | datacenters.pool+=1 |
| 12:15.34 | lardman | timeless: trying to shutdown paper publishing from the inside? |
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| 12:15.43 | timeless | the mill closed first |
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| 12:16.41 | aquatix | always one step ahead ;) |
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| 12:40.28 | Andrewfblack | Morning |
| 12:40.50 | thopiekar | evening |
| 12:43.18 | lardman | afternoon |
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| 12:48.46 | GeneralAntilles | lol . . . the things people think are "realistic" http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=264219&postcount=1359 |
| 12:49.44 | aquatix | # Dual SD-card slots OR MORE |
| 12:49.51 | aquatix | where's my octo-SD setup! |
| 12:50.50 | aquatix | the part about no internal flash actually sounds sensible to me |
| 12:51.07 | aquatix | as in, having replacable flash in there |
| 12:51.17 | thopiekar | GeneralAntilles: very realistic isn't it? :D |
| 12:51.48 | jaska | well, 512m ram would be nice |
| 12:54.09 | Andrewfblack | why don't we just go for 1gb of ram :) |
| 12:54.46 | jaska | *shrug* as long as its atleast 256m :) |
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| 12:55.04 | aquatix | requests 448MB of ram |
| 12:56.03 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: who of maemo.org is in the netherlands? |
| 12:56.56 | Andrewfblack | New device is supose to have bulit in data right os I assume a sim card slot but I don't know anyone in the us that offers a data only plan unless its the same plan that is for like the data cards and they are like $60 a month |
| 12:57.20 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, X-Fade? |
| 12:57.40 | GeneralAntilles | jaska, RAM has a non-trivial effect on battery, sadly. |
| 12:57.49 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: I was thinking about this, because there are two scenarios we should take into account |
| 12:58.10 | jaska | consdering as it is the browser munches uuh, maybe 100m of it |
| 12:58.28 | GeneralAntilles | jaska, an up-to-date Gecko will help a lot. |
| 12:58.33 | Andrewfblack | wow that last guy wants a screen the size of the entire N800 lol how big will the device be |
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| 12:58.39 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: 1/ it would make sense to have the financial operator reside in the country we are considering for the summit, as this would limit transaction fees |
| 12:58.54 | GeneralAntilles | There've been some major RAM consumption improvements since alpha 1 |
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| 12:59.06 | jaska | still, i wouldnt say its unreasonable to expect 256m |
| 12:59.23 | timelE61i | ? |
| 12:59.31 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: b/ find someone who whould take that role for a longer period of time (ie: not on a per-summit basis) |
| 13:00.18 | GeneralAntilles | jaska, no, 256MB sounds right to me. |
| 13:00.36 | mgedmin | RAID-6 on SD cards, m... |
| 13:00.59 | Andrewfblack | I like the guy who wants 3 sd card slots |
| 13:01.16 | jaska | raid-6? sounds like a rewrite hell for the flashes :D |
| 13:01.19 | Andrewfblack | as big as sd cards are getting it wont suprise me to see only 1 |
| 13:03.01 | ShadowJK | my bet is single microsd ;p |
| 13:03.20 | Andrewfblack | ShadowJK, same here |
| 13:04.01 | crashanddie | I don't care about SD/microSD, as it's not miniSD |
| 13:04.06 | ShadowJK | built-in data would be awesome. My operator offers "parallell" sim cards tied to your normal cellphone number, with unlimited data. Perfect for modems |
| 13:04.25 | Andrewfblack | let me guess your not in the US |
| 13:04.25 | crashanddie | s/as/as long as/ |
| 13:04.43 | ShadowJK | I have a microsd card in my N810... those adapters kingston bundles with their cheapo cards are wonderful |
| 13:04.51 | ShadowJK | Andrewfblack, indeed |
| 13:05.12 | ShadowJK | Andrewfblack, it would still have wlan and bluetooth I'm sure |
| 13:05.54 | GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, it'll have HSPA. . . . |
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| 13:06.21 | ShadowJK | GeneralAntilles, the interesting question will be which bands it'll be able to use ;-) |
| 13:06.32 | Andrewfblack | yeah but built in data would be cool if we could get decent plan in the us, I'm considering getting a 3G wireless router for my truck since the data plan on it is cheaper then most "Cell Phone" companys |
| 13:06.45 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: again, no comment on what I said earlier? |
| 13:06.46 | timelE61i | sHadow: heh |
| 13:06.56 | timelE61i | No one mentioned that interally |
| 13:06.59 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, I'm not one for handling money. |
| 13:07.06 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, but it sounds reasonable to me. |
| 13:07.33 | GeneralAntilles | Andrewfblack, AT&T should be $30 or $35/mo |
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| 13:07.50 | ShadowJK | It's kinda unfortunate that services and devices are in some countries so strongly bundled together, and that you can't get decent service without buying a device too, often a operator-crippled device. |
| 13:08.07 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: I'm not really happy about it, but Quim seems to have made his mind about it |
| 13:08.45 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: and we both know that if he starts looking for such a person, he *will* find one. There will always be someone to send money around, people like that... |
| 13:08.50 | Andrewfblack | Thats if they consider it a smartphone and lets you use that plan, if they require the datacard plan isn't it more |
| 13:08.59 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, happy about having somebody besides Nokia handle the smaller payouts? |
| 13:09.03 | GeneralAntilles | I don't see the problem, really. |
| 13:09.08 | GeneralAntilles | Just get somebody on the maemo.org team. |
| 13:09.14 | timelE61i | fwiw, he's right |
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| 13:09.31 | timelE61i | The nokia stuff really doesn't work for small numbers |
| 13:09.56 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, it's not like we're gonna hand off the responsibility to the first joker to pop out of the woodwork. |
| 13:10.33 | crashanddie | timelE61i: don't tell me Nokia only pays expenses in 4 digit cheques |
| 13:10.49 | timelE61i | i have a 3digit expense |
| 13:10.55 | timelE61i | I haven't gotten reim'd |
| 13:10.57 | Andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles, Well I guess they will consider the Tablet a PDA and that would allow for the $30 Plan |
| 13:11.01 | StsN802 | heh, departments at times |
| 13:11.01 | ShadowJK | transactions from holland to rest of EU are "free", I think |
| 13:11.09 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, ask some of the guys who were sponsored to LinuxTag when they got reimbursed. |
| 13:11.10 | crashanddie | ShadowJK: nope |
| 13:11.21 | ShadowJK | crashanddie, ah pity |
| 13:11.21 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: I know how it was, trust me |
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| 13:11.46 | Andrewfblack | btw when they say its going to have HSPA do they mean only HSPA or will it allow connections to Edge networks and others also? |
| 13:12.05 | ShadowJK | EU has a rule requiring transactions to other EU countries to cost the same as transactions inside the country, which in many cases translates to "free" :) |
| 13:12.12 | StsN802 | it was impossible to buy a ticket to a city in the region through dept procedure but trivial to get a trip to hong kong |
| 13:12.17 | GeneralAntilles | Andrewfblack, I'm almost certain HSPA implies EDGE. |
| 13:12.21 | timelE61i | andrew: they say to read the roadmap |
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| 13:12.35 | timelE61i | has no idea |
| 13:12.39 | timelE61i | :) |
| 13:12.44 | GeneralAntilles | I haven't seen a device that supports 3G but not 2G, personally. |
| 13:12.56 | Andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles, Ok becuase I know alot of the US still doesn't have anything better then Edge |
| 13:13.03 | GeneralAntilles | I can't imagine them crippling a device like that anyway. |
| 13:13.21 | ShadowJK | GeneralAntilles, there are a few with 3g and gprs but no egprs(edge) |
| 13:13.27 | crashanddie | ShadowJK: I just sent money to my family in France (I'm in the UK) and it cost me 3% in charges |
| 13:13.28 | ShadowJK | mostly sonyericsson, i think |
| 13:13.40 | Andrewfblack | I think I have to driver about 3 hours for 3G connection lol |
| 13:14.04 | ShadowJK | crashanddie, yes well UK is kinda special... |
| 13:14.11 | woglinde | hi |
| 13:14.17 | Jaffa | Intra-eurozone could be cheaper |
| 13:14.32 | crashanddie | ShadowJK: and last time I checked, I paid as much when I sent money from Belgium to France, or France to luxembourg |
| 13:14.49 | ShadowJK | You're getting ripped off :P |
| 13:14.56 | crashanddie | right |
| 13:15.04 | Andrewfblack | will come visit GeneralAntilles if he wants to use his tablet on a 3G network |
| 13:15.25 | ShadowJK | iirc, if you aren't doing it through IBAN they can charge you whatever they like |
| 13:15.35 | GeneralAntilles | I get strong 3G coverage in the 2 cities I frequent. |
| 13:16.12 | Andrewfblack | Panama City would be the closest place for me I think |
| 13:16.15 | crashanddie | IBAN = Internation Bank Account Number |
| 13:16.26 | crashanddie | IBAN != money transfer protocol |
| 13:16.40 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 13:17.03 | Andrewfblack | I consider my town a big city but in south alabama it really don't matter how big you are still slow on stuff like 3G :) |
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| 13:20.48 | ShadowJK | crashanddie, http://www.europebanks.info/ibanguide.htm |
| 13:21.09 | timelE61i | tEkojo: have i asked which gateway you use? |
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| 13:22.08 | tekojo | timelE61i: ?? |
| 13:22.32 | timelE61i | Dasasob. |
| 13:23.28 | tekojo | timelE61i: that's where I come out |
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| 13:24.04 | Andrewfblack | I was watching a video of a nokia design talking about the n97 I think its funny when they refer to there Cell Phones as mobile computers when you know they have a line of mobile computers |
| 13:25.11 | aquatix | :) |
| 13:25.16 | aquatix | just watched it too |
| 13:25.38 | aquatix | i'm curious to the interface of the 5800 and n97 in real life |
| 13:26.18 | crashanddie | ShadowJK: Some banks will charge USD 45.- or EUR 20.- for initiating a foreign transfer, which indeed is very expensive say if you want to pay somebody just EUR 10 to a person in neighbouring EU country like from France to Germany. |
| 13:26.21 | crashanddie | ShadowJK: kthxbai |
| 13:26.27 | GeneralAntilles | Andrewfblack, yeah, I found that interesting too. |
| 13:26.39 | crashanddie | anyway, to come back to the Financing Proxy |
| 13:26.48 | GeneralAntilles | I wonder what the new branding direction for the tablets will be. |
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| 13:26.56 | GeneralAntilles | Since it's apparently not "Internet Tablet" |
| 13:27.27 | Andrewfblack | I wonder what they refer to the new device as since Mobile Compter is taken lol |
| 13:27.34 | jeremiah | Netlet? |
| 13:27.42 | Andrewfblack | jeremiah, lol |
| 13:27.47 | jeremiah | :) |
| 13:28.03 | GeneralAntilles | Andrewfblack, well, they're bigger and more powerful than the N-series phones. |
| 13:28.11 | GeneralAntilles | Mobile mainframe? |
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| 13:28.27 | Meiz_n810 | my n810 thinks the charger is plugged in all the time O_o |
| 13:28.36 | jeremiah | Then one should be able to create an ad hoc grid |
| 13:28.53 | jeremiah | and distribute processing. |
| 13:28.56 | crashanddie | I don't like the idea of giving the money to an individual, there is too much opportunity for fraud or abuse. Historically, when a corporation wants to organise an event, they would use an event planner or event bureau, whatever you want to call it. This is a commercial company that would take the responsibility to work around the budget |
| 13:29.25 | Andrewfblack | http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009/Project_ideas I want to see that project for free |
| 13:29.26 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, well, if X-Fade or dneary fuck it all up, we know where to find them. ;) |
| 13:29.29 | Andrewfblack | for real I mean |
| 13:29.37 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: haha, true |
| 13:29.40 | Jaffa | If that person has a commercial relationship with Nokia already, is it any different to a Nokia employee doing it? |
| 13:30.09 | crashanddie | Jaffa: I think Quim clearly expressed he did not wish to commit anyone full time to this |
| 13:30.35 | crashanddie | and yes, organising such an event will require full time work for at least a couple of weeks |
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| 13:31.11 | jeremiah | Conference organizing is hard, lots of work. |
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| 13:32.42 | crashanddie | It's a lot easier to work with an event planner as they are used to doing this. They have the experience, and probably the contacts to take care of this. Just google "evenementenbureau amsterdam". |
| 13:33.02 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, well, maybe we should do it through an event planner. :P |
| 13:33.06 | GeneralAntilles | Feel free to suggest it. |
| 13:33.11 | crashanddie | I will |
| 13:39.25 | ShadowJK | crashanddie, but it will be classified as "domestic transfer" as long as you give all the details required, even if it goes to another EU country :-) |
| 13:39.39 | ShadowJK | and if the currency is in euro |
| 13:42.07 | ShadowJK | I did a fi->nl transfer a couple of years ago, cost nothing |
| 13:42.10 | ShadowJK | it was bloody slow though |
| 13:42.13 | ShadowJK | took like 4 days |
| 13:42.32 | Andrewfblack | is garage still not updateing karma? |
| 13:43.20 | timelE61i | gan, installed? |
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| 13:46.26 | timelE61i | needs more tea |
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| 13:48.39 | jeremiah | I hear that - I need some tea too. |
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| 13:50.33 | GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, yeah, I've poked around a bit |
| 13:50.36 | GeneralAntilles | Haven't found anything glacing |
| 13:50.41 | GeneralAntilles | s/glacing/glaring/ |
| 13:50.47 | GeneralAntilles | Though I'm not a big fan of "AV Chat" |
| 13:51.13 | timeless | nods |
| 13:51.15 | timeless | no one is |
| 13:51.27 | timeless | VideoTalk ? |
| 13:51.31 | timeless | it's not much longer |
| 13:51.42 | GeneralAntilles | No, not really any good either. |
| 13:51.43 | timeless | it's not particularly accurate |
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| 14:04.35 | GeneralAntilles | The OMAG blog is funny. |
| 14:04.44 | GeneralAntilles | You're required to log in to post comments, but there's no way to register. |
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| 14:06.00 | timeless | url? |
| 14:06.19 | GeneralAntilles | http://omag.es/blog/2009/02/13/how-will-new-maemo-device-look-like/ |
| 14:07.05 | jaska | fairly blogspammy, just links to youtube video? |
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| 14:07.50 | johnx | a youtube video that he probably saw posted on engadget mobile |
| 14:08.02 | johnx | and which was already discussed here :) |
| 14:09.30 | _user | say, anyone know what these maps are for on my internal memory? 1.5G worth of stuff |
| 14:09.58 | bilboed-pi | _user, wild gues... for the map application ? |
| 14:10.14 | Jaffa | _user: the built-in Maps application. The maps for the region in which your device was sold are included as standard |
| 14:10.36 | _user | you mean maemo-mapper? |
| 14:10.55 | timeless | if it's 1.5g, it's almost certainly US EAst and US West |
| 14:10.58 | johnx | nope "Nokia Maps" |
| 14:11.07 | timeless | johnx: Nokia Map |
| 14:11.12 | timeless | yay stupidity :) |
| 14:11.16 | timeless | and technically not Nokia |
| 14:11.21 | timeless | it's Navicore |
| 14:11.23 | _user | mine didn't come with that |
| 14:11.48 | timeless | _user: in the application menu, my selection, the first item is typically 'Map' |
| 14:11.54 | _user | wait n/m |
| 14:12.26 | GeneralAntilles | "Nokia Maps" is an application for S60 |
| 14:12.53 | johnx | ah |
| 14:12.56 | johnx | fair enough |
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| 14:13.02 | johnx | the package is 'maps' though IIRC |
| 14:13.15 | GeneralAntilles | "Map" |
| 14:13.30 | timeless | it's 'map' |
| 14:13.32 | timeless | internally :) |
| 14:13.36 | GeneralAntilles | It's all highly confusing, very technical, and entirely pointless. |
| 14:13.43 | johnx | ah |
| 14:13.44 | timeless | if you're an English speaker |
| 14:13.57 | timeless | you're encouraged to get the en-US translation from extras-devel :) |
| 14:14.05 | timeless | and then you can have better names but join in the confusion :) |
| 14:14.13 | timeless | (it renames Map to Maps) |
| 14:14.24 | johnx | aaaah...now I see why I'm confused :P |
| 14:15.04 | timeless | hey, it renames Web to Browser too :) |
| 14:15.05 | johnx | I never even touched the app before I was checking out your translation because it utterly fails to cover that land mass east of Europe and west of America |
| 14:16.03 | timeless | nods |
| 14:16.06 | timeless | sorry about that |
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| 14:16.25 | timeless | I'll have to provide a translation table to help people recover from nokia string land |
| 14:16.44 | johnx | heh. no problem :) I just want some freaking maps of that place where I live |
| 14:16.53 | timeless | can't help you there :) |
| 14:17.11 | johnx | and I know that Navicore has them given that Nxx phones are on sale here... |
| 14:18.23 | _user | maemo-mapper versus nokia maps |
| 14:18.29 | _user | ? |
| 14:18.32 | timeless | no |
| 14:18.43 | timeless | there are 3 map apps of interest in realm: Nokia |
| 14:18.46 | timeless | Nokia Maps (s60) |
| 14:18.55 | timeless | Navicore Maps (s60, 770, n800+n810) |
| 14:19.10 | timeless | Maemo Mapper (770, n800, n810) |
| 14:19.27 | timeless | the product that ships w/ the n800/n810 is Navicore Maps which we've branded "Map" |
| 14:19.30 | timeless | (because we're really clever) |
| 14:19.57 | johnx | s/clever/"clever"/ |
| 14:20.14 | timeless | gan: ham now says: Checking for updates<semicolon> please wait |
| 14:20.30 | timeless | if there are other places which uses please wait but need punctuation help, please let me know |
| 14:20.35 | timeless | i haven't spent much time on that |
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| 14:21.51 | timeless | tries to install battlegweled |
| 14:23.03 | timeless | grumbles |
| 14:23.07 | timeless | kicks battlegweled |
| 14:23.27 | timeless | oh btw, sts? |
| 14:23.30 | timeless | ham complains: |
| 14:23.53 | timeless | get btname: Method "GetName" with signature "" on interface "org.bluez.Adapter" doesn't exist |
| 14:24.03 | timeless | i'd assume that's what breaks HAM's device name feature |
| 14:24.33 | timeless | grumbles |
| 14:24.35 | timeless | kicks sdl |
| 14:24.56 | timeless | so i need a libsdl1.2debian-alsa which claims to be newer than the real one |
| 14:25.11 | zeenix | kulve: there are debian packages in here: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/m/ |
| 14:25.39 | _user | is google gears available for maemo? |
| 14:25.41 | zeenix | kulve: i don't really think you need the sources to use the framework if there are nice docs available :) |
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| 14:26.11 | timeless | sp3000: Crash Reporter claims to have installed! |
| 14:26.38 | zeenix | kulve: and if you do need the source, tarballs are also available in that location |
| 14:26.56 | zeenix | kulve: afaict, you have everything you need already :) |
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| 14:28.50 | kulve | zeenix: I need to check those at some point |
| 14:30.16 | zeenix | kulve: it's your project so take as much time as you want/need, i am only getting rid of all excuses you have :) |
| 14:32.02 | johnx | _user, kind of. I know there was a version that worked but I'm not sure if there is a package made for the latest version of maemo |
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| 14:35.42 | dneary | GeneralAntilles, crashanddie: For community events, I'm not exactly a neophyte, and I have time paid for, after all |
| 14:35.53 | timeless | chuckles |
| 14:35.57 | dneary | I think I would enjoy organising it, actually |
| 14:36.08 | timeless | gan: for kicks, try opening pdf viewer |
| 14:36.19 | timeless | open a doc (e.g. osso_software_copyright) |
| 14:36.24 | timeless | press the left arrow key for a while |
| 14:36.30 | timeless | then press right arrow a couplle of time |
| 14:36.31 | timeless | s |
| 14:36.40 | timeless | you should see 'Loading' appear and go away |
| 14:36.44 | timeless | and then you should see |
| 14:36.52 | timeless | Can't go past first page |
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| 14:36.58 | timeless | even though you're on page 3 or 4 :) |
| 14:38.23 | RST38h | moo, johnx |
| 14:38.32 | johnx | m00f RST38h |
| 14:38.53 | rm_you | johnx: ? :P |
| 14:39.02 | johnx | hey rm_you |
| 14:39.09 | woglinde | hi johnx and rst |
| 14:39.23 | johnx | hi woglinde |
| 14:39.27 | RST38h | ehlo, woglinde, rm_you |
| 14:39.38 | RST38h | rm_you: how is school doing? =) |
| 14:39.50 | rm_you | RST38h: yo :) not bad |
| 14:40.03 | rm_you | not failing anything this time around I think |
| 14:40.19 | rm_you | statistics sucks, cause I don't do numbers <_< |
| 14:40.38 | rm_you | but othewrwise all is well :) |
| 14:40.52 | rm_you | johnx: have a chance to try ABL-SVN yet? |
| 14:41.45 | johnx | tried to compile it a bit |
| 14:42.04 | rm_you | i can has kitteh on mah keyboard <_< |
| 14:42.47 | johnx | but didn't get around it's demand for kernel headers in a certain place |
| 14:43.44 | rm_you | hrm |
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| 14:44.21 | rm_you | if i su to johnx and go into scratchbox, would i be in a Mer build env? |
| 14:44.56 | GeneralAntilles | dneary, talk to crashanddie not me. :) |
| 14:44.57 | johnx | yeah |
| 14:45.03 | rm_you | k i'll look at that |
| 14:45.09 | rm_you | after i brb |
| 14:45.11 | johnx | look in my projects folder |
| 14:45.16 | rm_you | must shower before class |
| 14:45.30 | rm_you | tries to shoo the kitteh off his mouse, but fails |
| 14:45.38 | dneary | GeneralAntilles: You don't like me talking to you? |
| 14:45.39 | dneary | :( |
| 14:45.40 | rm_you | and can't click currently |
| 14:46.11 | GeneralAntilles | dneary, crashanddie was the one worried about an individual handling the cash. |
| 14:46.23 | dneary | GeneralAntilles: I'd agree |
| 14:46.29 | dneary | There needs to be checks & balances |
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| 14:47.32 | dneary | What you'd need, IMHO, is a budget proposed by Quim, Tero, me & the council (based on last year's costs), approved within Nokia, and then have the spending of that budget overseen by the council, with me just asking for money to get paid |
| 14:48.17 | dneary | It'd probably be easier for money to be paid outside of Nokia, but Nokia pay suppliers too, so... |
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| 14:51.49 | crashanddie | dneary: problem is that checking what an individual does is hell. Administrative hell. |
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| 15:01.08 | udovdh | hello |
| 15:01.14 | udovdh | ok, so usb networking works |
| 15:01.19 | udovdh | ssh works |
| 15:01.34 | udovdh | could I automate the g_ether module loading with the usb-otg plugin? |
| 15:01.45 | udovdh | or does that remain a manual action? |
| 15:01.48 | johnx | that's the goal of the plugin |
| 15:01.52 | udovdh | (as is the ifup usb0) |
| 15:01.54 | udovdh | well |
| 15:01.54 | johnx | it worked well at one point |
| 15:02.01 | udovdh | I set the usb to network |
| 15:02.08 | udovdh | then I have to modprobe g-ether |
| 15:02.13 | udovdh | it gives a busy first |
| 15:02.16 | udovdh | 2nd attempt succeeds |
| 15:02.26 | udovdh | then I can ifup usb0 |
| 15:02.30 | johnx | if it doesn't work now your choices are: 1) fix the plugin 2) submit a bug report and wait |
| 15:02.40 | udovdh | I just got my n810 |
| 15:02.44 | udovdh | I have to learn how it works |
| 15:02.56 | udovdh | and how different it is from the angstrom on my h2210 ipaq pda |
| 15:03.00 | udovdh | or the fedora on the desktop |
| 15:03.05 | johnx | it's more like debian than angstrom |
| 15:03.11 | udovdh | I also read about a respin of debian on the n810? |
| 15:03.25 | udovdh | (the layoit of the fs, choice of tools etc could be different) |
| 15:03.39 | dneary | crashanddie: That depends entirely |
| 15:03.56 | johnx | the fs layout is mostly similar to debian, but the tools are different |
| 15:04.06 | dneary | crashanddie: The state does it all the time |
| 15:04.10 | RST38h | rm_you: Statistics as in STAT400 or its like? |
| 15:04.28 | dneary | You request that someone prepares accounts, you come & compare bank statements, receipts & revenue statements |
| 15:04.29 | dneary | Done |
| 15:04.36 | udovdh | also i have to check out the menu customization, etc |
| 15:04.39 | udovdh | install some apps |
| 15:04.51 | woglinde | apt-get |
| 15:04.53 | udovdh | build a setup to build navit (like bitbake on OE) |
| 15:04.57 | woglinde | or appmanager |
| 15:05.13 | crashanddie | dneary: are you going to check every receipt? |
| 15:05.15 | udovdh | see http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Navit_on_Ã
ngström for what I tried for angstrom and navit |
| 15:05.17 | johnx | udovdh, for compiling apps you want maemo sdk |
| 15:05.26 | udovdh | I saw about that yes |
| 15:05.35 | dneary | crashanddie: If I'm the one handling the money, then I'll have to |
| 15:05.36 | udovdh | it can deliver installable packages? |
| 15:05.41 | johnx | yes |
| 15:05.42 | udovdh | like bitbake for OE? |
| 15:05.43 | udovdh | ok |
| 15:05.48 | dneary | crashanddie: And if I'm not the one handling the money, then Nokia will do it |
| 15:05.52 | johnx | you can use it to build debian packages |
| 15:05.52 | woglinde | udovdh you could try chinook-compat distro in oe |
| 15:05.58 | dneary | (that is, if we're going through their accounts dept |
| 15:06.04 | udovdh | woglinde, that sounds interesting |
| 15:06.05 | woglinde | udovdh and with luck it produces a .deb for you |
| 15:06.06 | johnx | and there are some packages for navit for maemo IIRC |
| 15:06.10 | udovdh | if I could re-use that setup |
| 15:06.17 | rm_you | RST38h: don't know that system, but here it's like... MATH-1321 |
| 15:06.20 | crashanddie | dneary: then where's the difference between allowing Nokia's accounting to do it directly? If they're going to do all the paperwork anyway? |
| 15:06.22 | udovdh | johnx, I know; just want to build myself |
| 15:06.34 | udovdh | navit is still very much in development |
| 15:06.34 | dneary | crashanddie: I don't know if you read what I said before? |
| 15:06.41 | RST38h | rm_you: STAT400 is a generic Statistics for Engineers, senior year |
| 15:06.41 | udovdh | and stuff changes almost every week |
| 15:06.57 | crashanddie | dneary: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/security/cc184924.aspx |
| 15:07.02 | rm_you | RST38h: this is statistics for math majors, but it's an intro class, freshman level\ |
| 15:07.02 | crashanddie | shit, disregard that, wrong paste |
| 15:07.10 | dneary | crashanddie: If council + quim + Tero + me prepare a budget proposal, approved by Nokia, the money gets set against a project, then people invoice against that project |
| 15:07.10 | rm_you | <_< |
| 15:07.19 | rm_you | RST38h: and the second time I've taken it O_o |
| 15:07.26 | RST38h | rm_you: oh :( |
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| 15:07.39 | dneary | I keep accounts, I'm responsible to the council, the money goes from Nokia's bank accounts to the supplier's. |
| 15:07.40 | udovdh | woglinde, how well does the chinook-compat distro work in OE? |
| 15:07.44 | rm_you | RST38h: I just don't give a $(@*, so its really hard to pay attention, and it doesnt really sink in |
| 15:07.52 | dneary | We could do it differently |
| 15:07.53 | udovdh | as well as OE works for H2210 ipaq? |
| 15:08.06 | RST38h | rm_you: "This is your brain. This is your brain on math major classes." |
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| 15:08.20 | crashanddie | dneary: I thought Quim clearly stated Nokia would not be doing small payments |
| 15:08.26 | RST38h | wazd: heya |
| 15:08.26 | dneary | Create a dedicated organisation just to organise the event, open a bank account, make a budget proposal to Nokia, Nokia gives us a one-time grant, which we spend |
| 15:08.31 | RST38h | wazd: Good news and bad news |
| 15:08.44 | RST38h | wazd: Good: TI83 now fully funcitonal. |
| 15:08.46 | dneary | In that case, I prepare accounts & forward the council bank statements, they verify my expenditures, done |
| 15:08.49 | rm_you | so i just realized, dsme is open now right? |
| 15:08.52 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: right? |
| 15:09.00 | udovdh | btw: |
| 15:09.09 | udovdh | what is the best simpel mediaplayer like xmms for n810? |
| 15:09.16 | dneary | crashanddie: we will do it in a way that makes sense |
| 15:09.19 | udovdh | I use xmms on fedora and like it much for mp3 etc |
| 15:09.24 | GAN800 | rm_you, yeah, the Fremantle release anyway. |
| 15:09.26 | wazd_n800 | hola world) |
| 15:09.26 | RST38h | wazd: Bad: a few TI83 faceplate buttons are misnamed, some symbols are not readable enough and (worst of all) TI83 uses 96x64 display! =( |
| 15:09.28 | crashanddie | dneary: of course, we're just trying to find that one :) |
| 15:09.31 | dneary | if Nokia making small payments doesn't make sense, we won't do that |
| 15:09.34 | rm_you | so I could make some ABL-specific fixes and release a custom dsme? |
| 15:09.39 | rm_you | awww only for Fremantle? |
| 15:09.39 | johnx | udovdh, good news: you can continue to use it :) |
| 15:09.50 | wazd_n800 | RST38h, I know bout plates |
| 15:09.55 | udovdh | johnx, thanks, interesting! |
| 15:09.58 | rm_you | still uses xmms |
| 15:10.00 | wazd_n800 | RST38h, fixed already |
| 15:10.10 | RST38h | wazd: The 96-pixel thing is a real problem though =( |
| 15:10.22 | rm_you | still uses his own crazy patched version of xmms (used to do xmms development somewhat, before maemo) |
| 15:10.26 | wazd_n800 | RST38h, oh( |
| 15:10.32 | crashanddie | dneary: I'm just raising my concerns about giving a single individual that kind of importance |
| 15:10.33 | RST38h | wazd: There are two ways to handle it |
| 15:10.42 | crashanddie | dneary: I'm not saying I don't want to see it happen, far from it |
| 15:10.44 | luke-jr | uses mplayer + find |
| 15:10.53 | wazd_n800 | RST38h, I've made all plates with 96 |
| 15:11.01 | wazd_n800 | RST38h, just made in narrow |
| 15:11.09 | dneary | And I'm saying that any time there is the possibility of giving one person a lot of importance, there is the possibility to institute reasonable checks & balances |
| 15:11.34 | crashanddie | with immense overhead |
| 15:11.36 | luke-jr | RST38h: wait, did you put Linux on TI83? |
| 15:11.36 | RST38h | wazd: One is to continue using x3 magnification, second is to use x4 magnification |
| 15:11.41 | dneary | What's the best way to get a Beagle Board in France? |
| 15:11.48 | RST38h | luke: No, I put TI83 on Linux |
| 15:11.55 | luke-jr | o |
| 15:11.57 | luke-jr | that's new? |
| 15:12.04 | RST38h | wazd: Have you got them at radikal? =) |
| 15:12.09 | dneary | crashanddie: I would say, as much or as little overhead as is needed for people to have confidence |
| 15:12.14 | crashanddie | dneary: buying from the beagleboard website |
| 15:12.28 | udovdh | ok brb soon |
| 15:12.40 | luke-jr | RST38h: I hope those 96 pixels are zoomed ;) |
| 15:12.50 | dneary | crashanddie: If you're sending a kid to buy bread and you want a check & balance, you give him â¬1 and ask him to bring you back change |
| 15:12.53 | crashanddie | dneary: an other option would be to create an entity that would handle all the future summits |
| 15:13.02 | luke-jr | that'd be like 1/3 in on the N810 i think |
| 15:13.06 | dneary | If he buys a 5c sweet while he's at it, it isn't a big deal |
| 15:13.07 | wazd_n800 | RST38h, I'm heaing back from the country right now |
| 15:13.32 | wazd_n800 | RST38h, I tried to upload them yesterday |
| 15:13.34 | Jaffa | crashanddie: and that's getting closer to making maemo.org and/or the Council a proper legal entity |
| 15:13.35 | RST38h | wazd: Understood. Ok, will be doing TI83+ in the meanwhile |
| 15:13.57 | dneary | But if you're giving someone â¬100,000 and you tell him to go organise an event for 200 people, then of course, you will want to see a budget beforehand, and you'll want to see regular updates on what has been spent, what is planned, and all expenses need receipts of invoices |
| 15:13.59 | crashanddie | dneary: and if you give a single individual 20k to play with, and he skims 1euro off every single transactions, that still isn't a big deal? |
| 15:14.14 | RST38h | wazd: Using x4 magnification may actually be cool for these screens but I am not sure if the keypad will fit |
| 15:14.15 | wazd_n800 | RST38h, radikal, iphoto, dump and imageshack didn't e |
| 15:14.23 | RST38h | wazd: GPRS? |
| 15:14.25 | dneary | crashanddie: It's easier to skim off when there's â¬1 than â¬20K |
| 15:14.32 | wazd_n800 | RST38h, work with shitty gprs |
| 15:14.37 | dneary | crashanddie: When you're at â¬20K people tend to pay more attention |
| 15:14.39 | rm_you | leaves |
| 15:14.47 | dneary | Which is OK, it's a reasonable level of checks & balances |
| 15:15.01 | GAN800 | qwerty12 has GOT to be kidding with the Droid font version string. . . . |
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| 15:18.06 | johnx | still wonders about that 'leaked' Nokia handset photo...it keeps looking tabletesque to me and it has the right features to be the n900 |
| 15:18.15 | GAN800 | Too small |
| 15:18.18 | Jaffa | johnx: screen might be too small |
| 15:18.25 | Jaffa | Difficult to judge from the photos I saw |
| 15:18.28 | lardman | hope it's not for the very reason GAN800 said |
| 15:18.33 | johnx | people have done 800x480 in 3.5" |
| 15:18.52 | johnx | and really, that's the only want to make something phone sized... |
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| 15:18.55 | Jaffa | The existing screen is too small physically most of the time. |
| 15:18.59 | GAN800 | Find the part number for the lcd from the kernel |
| 15:19.11 | Jaffa | (although the device is the right size, a smaller bezel would be nice :-)) |
| 15:19.13 | GAN800 | 3.5" wouldn't fly for Maemo |
| 15:19.21 | Zhilin_n800 | back, sorry |
| 15:19.23 | lardman | Jaffa: +1 |
| 15:19.35 | johnx | GAN800, I don't think the kernel would have LCD info...just LCD controller |
| 15:19.50 | GAN800 | johnx, look, then. :) |
| 15:19.51 | Jaffa | GAN800: if it is supporting more "normal" phone features - including voice calls without a BT headset - they may have to shrink the device size to make it attractive as a "normal" phone |
| 15:20.25 | GAN800 | Jaffa, cuts into the N-series market, and I don't see them doing that. |
| 15:20.39 | johnx | gsmarena has some specs on it and they line up quite eerily: 32GB flash, AGPS, FM transmitter/receiver, 5MP camera, WiFi, TV-out and BT |
| 15:20.42 | GAN800 | AKM565 something. |
| 15:20.48 | GAN800 | It's a Sony panel. |
| 15:20.58 | Jaffa | GAN800: We could get surprised next week when they announce the first non-Symbian N-series phone. |
| 15:21.03 | johnx | I'll google then :) |
| 15:21.24 | Jaffa | s/surprised/*very* surprised/ |
| 15:21.26 | luke-jr | btw, is it possible to get GPRS on N810? |
| 15:21.38 | luke-jr | w/ an add-on of some sort? |
| 15:21.42 | GAN800 | Jaffa, too soon. I just don't see it. |
| 15:21.44 | Jaffa | luke-jr: via a Bluetooth PAN device, yes. |
| 15:21.54 | johnx | luke-jr, sure: pair it to a phone or use a usb hub and GPRS modem |
| 15:21.57 | Jaffa | GAN800: No, I suspect you're right |
| 15:22.02 | GAN800 | Besides, they were very insistent that it was data-only. |
| 15:22.21 | luke-jr | wait, only 1 week until the next gen Nokia? :/ |
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| 15:22.36 | wazd | oh, speculations) |
| 15:22.38 | Jaffa | GAN800: Ari *wasn't*. |
| 15:22.43 | luke-jr | so still no date? |
| 15:22.44 | luke-jr | ok |
| 15:22.55 | johnx | GAN800, hang on I'll dig throug the source again, but I swear I saw something about "celluar call" at one point |
| 15:22.57 | wazd | I like it) |
| 15:23.10 | Jaffa | GAN800: At OSiM he very clearly said "data is all we're talking about today" - and you've seen the files from the SDK talking about voice calls over GSM etc. |
| 15:23.13 | luke-jr | would hate to buy his N810 just before a new thing comes out |
| 15:23.14 | GAN800 | johnx, lardman can send you a parts list from the kernel. |
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| 15:23.22 | Jaffa | johnx: you did, I unpacked the source and looked through it myself |
| 15:23.25 | johnx | GAN800, it was a string somewhere |
| 15:23.35 | GAN800 | johnx, re the lcd |
| 15:23.38 | lardman | johnx: give me an email address and I'll forward the list if you want |
| 15:23.39 | johnx | ah |
| 15:23.52 | johnx | lardman, mind if I /msg you? |
| 15:23.59 | Macer | damn why can't i live across teh street from the local ups office? |
| 15:24.07 | Macer | then i could just walk across the street and pick the shit up |
| 15:24.12 | RST38h | wazd: I once managed to maintian a gprs connection all the way to .by |
| 15:24.14 | lardman | johnx: np |
| 15:24.14 | luke-jr | Macer: usually not |
| 15:24.25 | Jaffa | johnx: there's lots of stuff about voice calls over GSM in bluez/audio/telephony-maemo.c |
| 15:24.26 | RST38h | wazd: was a bit patchy, but worked |
| 15:24.28 | Macer | i wonder what they do for pkgs for people who live down the block... do they still load it on a truck and drive around with it to drop it off? |
| 15:24.39 | luke-jr | Macer: I've tried that for almost every shipment of mine, and only succeeded once. |
| 15:24.46 | Macer | luke-jr: i've gone to the ups office and picked it up |
| 15:24.53 | Macer | a few times |
| 15:24.57 | GAN800 | Jaffa, well, it would solve my new phone dilema. ;) |
| 15:24.58 | luke-jr | usually it's still on a truck, and needs to be scanned etc |
| 15:25.04 | luke-jr | and won't be scanned until the next day |
| 15:25.12 | lardman | ACX565AKM is the panel |
| 15:25.19 | wazd | RST38h, I'm trying to upload 100kb jpg for 5 minutes already) |
| 15:25.22 | Macer | heh |
| 15:25.30 | luke-jr | Macer: the one time I succeeded, UPS decided the roads were too bad to deliver |
| 15:25.33 | Macer | well. i'm waiting on my damn picoUPS today ;) |
| 15:25.46 | Macer | so i can get this damn shuttle k45 working again |
| 15:25.47 | Sargun_Screen | luke-jr: They can do that? |
| 15:25.52 | RST38h | wazd: Just give up and wait until MKAD or something |
| 15:25.53 | Jaffa | GAN800/johnx: http://bleb.org/software/maemo/telephony-maemo.c:source |
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| 15:25.56 | luke-jr | Sargun_Screen: yeah, I don't blame them either |
| 15:26.03 | luke-jr | Sargun_Screen: I almost didn't make it there and back safely. |
| 15:26.10 | Jaffa | GAN800: interesting stuff in there about conference calls too |
| 15:26.18 | Macer | luke-jr: must have been an important pkg ;) |
| 15:26.29 | Sargun_Screen | luke-jr: i didn't know that. I live in California, we get stranded by sub-50 degree temperatures |
| 15:26.34 | GAN800 | qwerty12! |
| 15:26.39 | Sargun_Screen | We don't have seasons exactly... |
| 15:26.40 | luke-jr | Macer: no, I just don't fear death enough yet |
| 15:26.43 | Macer | Sargun_Screen: hahaha |
| 15:26.51 | qwerty12 | GAN800, yes? :) |
| 15:26.53 | RST38h | azerty12: moo |
| 15:27.00 | GAN800 | What the hell were you thinking with that Droid fonts version string? :P |
| 15:27.19 | qwerty12 | hi RST38h :) |
| 15:27.38 | GAN800 | Jaffa, are the Fremantle sources on mxr yet? |
| 15:27.42 | qwerty12 | GAN800, damn, too long hey? :(. I'll reupload, I've got the time :) |
| 15:27.57 | GAN800 | qwerty12, yes. :P |
| 15:28.01 | wazd | upload! uupload you goddamn stupid piece of fucking shit! © Onion |
| 15:28.25 | qwerty12 | GAN800, :P |
| 15:28.51 | Jaffa | GAN800: NAFAIK |
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| 15:31.24 | slonopotamus | evening |
| 15:31.44 | GAN800 | Jaffa, Maemo is actually going away. They just gonna use the name for open source Symbiab. ;) |
| 15:31.55 | Jaffa | GAN800: :0 |
| 15:31.57 | Jaffa | GAN800: :) even |
| 15:32.06 | GAN800 | s/iab/ian/ |
| 15:32.52 | Corsac | ok, I have a tricky question |
| 15:32.55 | RST38h | And high end Nokia phones will contain both OMAP and Atom and run Win7/WinMobile |
| 15:33.02 | Corsac | how am I supposed to remove an sd card from a n810? |
| 15:33.08 | slonopotamus | GAN800, ??? no more maemo? have i missed something? |
| 15:33.15 | RST38h | Corsac: pliers |
| 15:33.17 | GAN800 | Hahaha |
| 15:33.37 | wazd | RST38h, like htc shi(f)t) |
| 15:33.40 | Corsac | hmhh |
| 15:33.50 | RST38h | wazd: *some* *big* HTC shit |
| 15:34.17 | slonopotamus | can't compile pygtk and is sad because of that |
| 15:34.34 | Macer | waiting for this artigo thing to get here sucks |
| 15:34.39 | RST38h | wazd: Btw, did I tell I saw WiBrain sold? |
| 15:34.40 | Macer | i really want to see how well it can run |
| 15:35.08 | qwerty12 | GAN800, uploading "1.01-dfsg0maemo1" :) |
| 15:35.22 | Jaffa | Corsac: use your nail to push it in, it'll click and spring out a little. |
| 15:35.52 | wazd | RST38h, it sells under differeent brand here |
| 15:35.52 | GAN800 | qwerty12, it's just a good thing h-a-m was patched not to fall to pieces with long versions. ;) |
| 15:36.02 | wazd | RST38h, x-play or something |
| 15:36.07 | RST38h | wazd: Nope, same brand |
| 15:36.18 | RST38h | wazd: and they even have a site: www.wibrain.ru |
| 15:36.22 | wazd | RST38h, oh |
| 15:37.31 | RST38h | wazd: it is seriously bricky though, and seemingly made of metal |
| 15:38.00 | wazd | RST38h, it looks too brutal) |
| 15:38.13 | johnx | aaah...supposedly it's not bad to thumbtype on |
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| 15:38.20 | wazd | RST38h, like some industrial console |
| 15:38.23 | johnx | wibrain did a newer prototype that looked neat |
| 15:38.30 | RST38h | wazd: the real thing is even more brutal than the pictures =) |
| 15:38.34 | johnx | but I'm sure it's impossible to actually produce |
| 15:39.24 | udovdh | BTW: what is the spot to file a bug for the usb-otg plugin? |
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| 15:40.03 | wazd | RST38h, wow, I'll place it right after walking excavator in my "real man things" list) |
| 15:40.34 | RST38h | wazd: It took serious mental persuasion to avoid buying it. |
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| 15:40.47 | RST38h | Costs about the same as an average netbook. |
| 15:41.58 | sjgadsby | I have Mer working in Parallels now. The VMDK conversion command was, "/Applications/Q.app/Contents/MacOS/qemu-img convert mer-x86-generic-image-v0.7.vmdk mer-x86-generic-image-v0.7-raw.hdd". It seems "-O raw" must not be specified on Mac OS X. D'oh. |
| 15:42.08 | johnx | RST38h, why don't you spend a lot more money for something vaguely better? :D |
| 15:42.34 | RST38h | johnx: this thing is brutally cute |
| 15:42.36 | wazd | I've almost reached my station and haven't uploadedpicture yet |
| 15:42.36 | wazd | life sucks |
| 15:43.01 | johnx | RST38h, thought you weren't a fan of that kind of Soviet era CE? :P |
| 15:43.29 | RST38h | johnx: netbooks are not cute, in general. There are cute MIDs, but the build quality fails them. This one was utterly, totally cute |
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| 15:43.52 | RST38h | johnx: I am, in a sense |
| 15:44.09 | johnx | it's a giant brick though. migh as well just get a decent convertible tablet at that point |
| 15:44.21 | Corsac | what stuff? |
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| 15:44.38 | RST38h | johnx: It is a toy brick, not a giant brick - the face is really small, but the package is thick |
| 15:44.45 | VDVsx | anyone knows if exist some app to export/import contacts from symbian phones/gmail/thunderbird... to the tablets ??? |
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| 15:46.25 | RST38h | http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/1289/092ly1.jpg |
| 15:46.25 | Corsac | I'd love a sync stuff |
| 15:46.45 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: where are the council@ logs published? |
| 15:46.51 | johnx | RST38h, ah, nice portrait. which one is you? :D |
| 15:47.08 | RST38h | johnx: The dominating one! |
| 15:47.18 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, what logs? |
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| 15:47.27 | RST38h | johnx: makes me wonder what they meant though |
| 15:47.37 | johnx | RST38h, seriously though. that is an awesome picture |
| 15:47.56 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: a copy of the emails that go through council@ ? |
| 15:48.12 | RST38h | johnx: it is, but what the hell did they mean? it is not a japanese monkey, right? |
| 15:48.29 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, considering that the things that go through there are frequently sensitive or confidential, there are none. :) |
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| 15:48.37 | makak | Hello ! |
| 15:48.47 | lardman | though they will be available to the next council, is that right? |
| 15:48.54 | johnx | RST38h, where/when did that pic come from. I'm not sure the man in it's Japanese either... |
| 15:49.11 | Jaffa | lardman: I don't believe so. It's just an email alias |
| 15:49.17 | lardman | true |
| 15:49.41 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: so all the correspondance a US president has is logged and archived, but the maemo.org council has access to such sensitive information it has to be recursively destroyed? |
| 15:49.49 | crashanddie | Amazing. |
| 15:50.09 | GeneralAntilles | doesn't have the energy. |
| 15:50.12 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, rereading the thread with the LCD part number and TexRat's comment is quite relevant WRT "if it had a 3.5" they'd probably change the naming convention from Internet Tablet" |
| 15:50.13 | RST38h | johnx: no idea but let me search around... |
| 15:50.22 | Jaffa | crashanddie: there was talk of making it a mailing list and publishing it (ala a thirty year rule), or having a mailing list which was passed on.... but it wasn't set up that way. |
| 15:50.50 | johnx | RST38h, though I should warn you that if you're counting on me for any brilliant insights you may be sorely disappointed |
| 15:51.09 | Jaffa | johnx: which they are. Hmm. |
| 15:51.18 | Jaffa | hopes for an announcement at MWC. I hope it's not that one |
| 15:51.56 | RST38h | johnx: naah, I am currently putting my hopes into google |
| 15:52.05 | crashanddie | Jaffa: and it doesn't strike you as wrong? |
| 15:52.45 | Jaffa | crashanddie: There's not much can be done about it now. I'd like to see if fixed for the next council's tenure. |
| 15:53.07 | crashanddie | bitterly realises there's a shitload of things that slipped through |
| 15:53.16 | crashanddie | maybe not so ideal after all... |
| 15:53.34 | crashanddie | Anyway, time for my cancer shot |
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| 15:56.14 | johnx | haha! getting some results on the LCD from google :> |
| 15:56.58 | luke-jr | so who here runs Gentoo on their N8xx? |
| 15:57.06 | johnx | luke-jr, slonopotamus does :) |
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| 15:57.23 | luke-jr | how about KDE? |
| 15:57.24 | slonopotamus | does |
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| 15:57.38 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: is it usable? :p |
| 15:58.08 | Jaffa | johnx: anything interesting? |
| 15:58.47 | slonopotamus | luke-jr, theoretically it is possible :) practically - haven't tried yet. i'm fighting with wifi/bluetooth now. basic X works. |
| 15:58.50 | johnx | got a hit back for an ACX502BMV that lives in the O2 XDA IIs and III |
| 15:59.03 | johnx | tracking down more specs |
| 15:59.07 | luke-jr | hm |
| 15:59.16 | johnx | mostly I'm curious if the 500-700 range are in fact transflective |
| 15:59.26 | slonopotamus | luke-jr, gentoo kde isn't any better/worse than debian kde i think |
| 15:59.30 | johnx | i doubt I'll find a resolution or size though :/ |
| 15:59.40 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: Debian works on N8x0? |
| 15:59.49 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, I found pages on almost everything around that number, but not on it. |
| 15:59.50 | luke-jr | Debian even has KDE 4.2? |
| 16:00.01 | Meizirkki | luce-jr: Ubuntu has kde 4.2 at least |
| 16:00.12 | luke-jr | does Ubuntu run on N8x0? |
| 16:00.13 | Meizirkki | both ubuntu and debian can be used on tablets |
| 16:00.18 | luke-jr | :o |
| 16:00.23 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, I assume it's pretty cutting edge. What would you say about the size of most of the acx series? so far I'm only seeing 3.5" LCDs... |
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| 16:00.43 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, they were all small. |
| 16:00.47 | Meizirkki | luce-jr: KDE 4.2 doesn't run really fast :P |
| 16:00.48 | luke-jr | Meizirkki: reliably? |
| 16:00.53 | GeneralAntilles | But the size variances were high. |
| 16:01.16 | johnx | at least 500-700 does seem to mean transflective (thank goodness) |
| 16:01.22 | luke-jr | Meizirkki: but Ubuntu makes my goal harder :p |
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| 16:01.28 | luke-jr | at least Gentoo supports ACCEPT_LICENSE |
| 16:01.36 | slonopotamus | luke-jr, deblet - tweaked debian to run on tablet. mer is based on ubuntu |
| 16:01.42 | luke-jr | so I can isolate those rare required blobs |
| 16:01.47 | johnx | luke-jr, aaah. do only use things that are 'free' ? |
| 16:01.48 | slonopotamus | hehe |
| 16:01.57 | luke-jr | johnx: ideally |
| 16:02.06 | GeneralAntilles | Does somebody want to update this? http://wiki.maemo.org/Alternative_operating_systems |
| 16:02.07 | Corsac | mpf, the mer installer seems to just fail :/ |
| 16:02.12 | luke-jr | afaik, N8x0 is at the point where there's a firmware and charge control |
| 16:02.17 | johnx | soooo...skipping wifi, bt and battery charging? |
| 16:02.42 | slonopotamus | ??? charging??? |
| 16:02.45 | luke-jr | johnx: wifi is supposedly working Free |
| 16:02.53 | luke-jr | never knew BlueTooth was an issue |
| 16:02.56 | johnx | you probably want wlan-cal though |
| 16:03.01 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, mer is missing :) |
| 16:03.01 | luke-jr | if so, I can ignore it, I don't have anything BlueTooth |
| 16:03.17 | GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, clearly. Which is why I'm looking for volunteers to update it. |
| 16:03.19 | luke-jr | and I did list charging |
| 16:03.20 | johnx | ah, though actually the new wifi driver might not need wlan-cal anymore |
| 16:03.33 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, it doesn't require it. |
| 16:03.41 | GeneralAntilles | It has a default set that'll work, but they're non-optimal. |
| 16:04.01 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, I can add a short discription about mer |
| 16:04.11 | johnx | well the default channels for cx3110x are quite optimal :) |
| 16:04.25 | johnx | except from an FCC perspective ... |
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| 16:04.31 | slonopotamus | wtf is wlan-cal? |
| 16:04.33 | luke-jr | wouldn't wlan-cal be a onetime thing? |
| 16:04.44 | johnx | per boot |
| 16:04.51 | luke-jr | why can't it store them? |
| 16:05.06 | johnx | because RAM loses it's contents when not constantly refreshed |
| 16:05.20 | luke-jr | dd that RAM to a file and back? |
| 16:05.30 | johnx | slonopotamus, sets some wlan parameters, channels, and power saving it seems |
| 16:05.42 | johnx | luke-jr, because *setting them* is what wlan-cal does |
| 16:05.50 | johnx | if you know how to set them, you don't need wlan-cal |
| 16:05.55 | luke-jr | eh |
| 16:05.59 | slonopotamus | luke-jr, wlan-cal is in initfs? |
| 16:06.00 | luke-jr | they're in the wifi chipset? |
| 16:06.18 | johnx | they're in mtdblock0 IIRC |
| 16:06.35 | johnx | slonopotamus, yup, along with dsme and bme |
| 16:06.35 | luke-jr | then just write it like any other block device.. |
| 16:06.46 | johnx | luke-jr, ok, but how do you set them? |
| 16:06.50 | qwerty12 | They're in the wlan-cal binary iirc, it just reads region info from CAL and sets accordingly |
| 16:06.53 | luke-jr | ⦠|
| 16:07.07 | luke-jr | johnx: set *what*? |
| 16:07.12 | slonopotamus | johnx, hmm |
| 16:07.19 | slonopotamus | johnx, it's in initfs |
| 16:07.32 | slonopotamus | johnx, don't see any problem then |
| 16:07.32 | johnx | you need to take the values from one place (stored in flash) and put them in another place (in RAM) |
| 16:07.40 | johnx | slonopotamus, it's not a problem for us :) |
| 16:07.41 | luke-jr | johnx: system RAM? |
| 16:07.47 | johnx | luke-jr, yes |
| 16:07.54 | luke-jr | so just save that RAM area |
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| 16:07.59 | luke-jr | and then copy it back verbatim |
| 16:08.06 | johnx | good. then work on that :) |
| 16:08.11 | luke-jr | no time |
| 16:08.15 | luke-jr | I'll just ignore it for now |
| 16:08.20 | johnx | :) |
| 16:08.38 | johnx | you already supported non-free software with your money, you might as well use it |
| 16:08.41 | slonopotamus | johnx, so i don't need to distribute it. it is already present in each tablet |
| 16:08.51 | luke-jr | johnx: I bought it for the hardware. |
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| 16:08.59 | luke-jr | johnx: and I didn't buy it new |
| 16:09.28 | johnx | luke-jr, it's like a vegetarian killing an animal and not eating it out of principal :) |
| 16:09.32 | slonopotamus | luke-jr, why do you want kde 4 on tablet? |
| 16:09.42 | luke-jr | johnx: I don't pretend to know the vegetarian mindset |
| 16:09.55 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: I know how to use it. |
| 16:10.36 | slonopotamus | luke-jr, hmm. its gui isn't very tablet-oriented |
| 16:10.56 | johnx | slonopotamus, nope. no need to worry about it from a practical point of view. You can count on it being in the initfs of any tablet you find. |
| 16:13.41 | slonopotamus | johnx, the funny thing with gentoo/freebsd is that i practically do not distribute anything but minimal system (which is opensource). i can write ebuild for any program that is downloadable via http and will not count as distributor :) |
| 16:14.17 | cgdel | Hello all, anyone like a good brain teaser? I'm trying to put a new OS but I broke my usb port... |
| 16:14.33 | johnx | slonopotamus, and debian continually gets around distributing by writing packages that cp /downloads/file /usr/share/file or similar :) |
| 16:14.38 | cgdel | I tried to use penguinbait's tools but somehow it didn't work... |
| 16:15.00 | slonopotamus | ;D |
| 16:15.00 | slonopotamus | hardcore tester |
| 16:15.23 | slonopotamus | johnx, that's not so elegant :) |
| 16:15.43 | johnx | slonopotamus, you get the idea though :) there's a million ways to do the same thing |
| 16:16.09 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, added Mer and NITdroid, I don't know/remeber more alternatives |
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| 16:16.35 | slonopotamus | johnx, do you have ghc on mer? |
| 16:16.41 | johnx | ghc? |
| 16:16.45 | johnx | googles |
| 16:16.51 | johnx | cgdel, what problem are you having? |
| 16:17.03 | slonopotamus | johnx, haskell compiler |
| 16:17.12 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: RMS would consider it non-Free distro |
| 16:17.39 | johnx | luke-jr, definitely :) |
| 16:17.55 | johnx | slonopotamus, it's installable. want me to test if it can compile correctly? |
| 16:17.56 | slonopotamus | luke-jr, uh? does debian have nvidia drivers? |
| 16:18.09 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: that's not Free vs non-Free, that's outright illegal |
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| 16:18.12 | johnx | slonopotamus, not in main |
| 16:18.27 | slonopotamus | johnx, nope, thx |
| 16:18.37 | crashanddie | not int main? |
| 16:18.45 | cgdel | johnx, when I try to boot on SD card it gives me an error and boots on flash |
| 16:18.55 | slonopotamus | johnx, and so what? one url or another - doesn't matter |
| 16:18.57 | johnx | cgdel, what does the error say? |
| 16:19.16 | slonopotamus | luke-jr, what is illegal? |
| 16:19.28 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: distribution of nVidia's blob drivers |
| 16:19.33 | johnx | slonopotamus, the idea being that if you only use 'main' you know you're using free software. some people care a lot about that sort of thing |
| 16:19.33 | slonopotamus | luke-jr, writing scripts that download files? |
| 16:19.41 | slonopotamus | luke-jr, or using them? |
| 16:20.01 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: distribution of nVidia's blob drivers |
| 16:20.09 | cgdel | johnx, "Boot from immc2 failed, booting from flash..." |
| 16:20.12 | slonopotamus | luke-jr, they do not distribute it. nvidia site distributes. |
| 16:20.20 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: it's illegal for nVidia too |
| 16:20.29 | luke-jr | anyhow, this is entirely beside the point |
| 16:20.37 | johnx | they distribute only as source, IIRC |
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| 16:20.48 | luke-jr | johnx: no, they refuse to let anyone get source |
| 16:21.58 | cgdel | not very helpful hey, johnx |
| 16:22.26 | Corsac | dpms?http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-modules-amd64/current/copyright |
| 16:22.32 | Corsac | gng |
| 16:22.33 | Corsac | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-modules-amd64/current/copyright |
| 16:22.42 | Corsac | for the current state of nvidia copyright stuff |
| 16:24.06 | luke-jr | Corsac: that only deals with nVidia's copyrights |
| 16:24.18 | Corsac | wasn't that the point? |
| 16:24.20 | luke-jr | it ignores the fact that nVidia's driver violates copyrights held on Linux from which it is derived |
| 16:24.42 | slonopotamus | crap |
| 16:24.54 | slonopotamus | i can't copy nvidia drivets |
| 16:25.17 | slonopotamus | s/can't/am not permitted to/ |
| 16:25.45 | crashanddie | luke-jr: Nvidia or NVIDIA, not nVidia |
| 16:26.27 | slonopotamus | wonders if his actions are covered by laws of the state of California |
| 16:26.30 | luke-jr | crashanddie: fine, nvideous |
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| 16:27.00 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: wtf does nvidia have to do with N8x0 anyhow? |
| 16:27.27 | slonopotamus | luke-jr, we were talking about binary blobs |
| 16:27.57 | Macer | holy shit southpark cracks me up |
| 16:28.03 | slonopotamus | luke-jr, and workarounds to make them usable within package management system |
| 16:28.06 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: most binary blobs are legal |
| 16:28.35 | johnx | was nice and quiet in here for a sec :) |
| 16:29.03 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, had the room all to yourself, eh? |
| 16:29.30 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, yup :) then you guys all came back :P |
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| 16:29.49 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, did you ever try to look for a pattern in the NNN part of Sony LCD names? |
| 16:30.05 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, I think so. |
| 16:30.09 | GeneralAntilles | Don't recall what the result was, though. |
| 16:30.20 | wazd | I'm home!) |
| 16:30.25 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade's supposition was 16-bit. |
| 16:30.27 | wazd | http://s56.radikal.ru/i154/0902/fd/322d1614120d.jpg <- Ti 84+ |
| 16:31.00 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, purty. |
| 16:31.06 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, ah, I think that's a coincidence in this case |
| 16:31.08 | GeneralAntilles | Too bad the aspect ratio has to be off. |
| 16:31.11 | Corsac | oooh, Mer booting |
| 16:31.26 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, yeah, so did I. |
| 16:31.48 | cgdel | anyone knows how I can see what goes wrong with the dual booting? |
| 16:31.56 | johnx | well, I certainly came across 4" parts (ACX526AKM) |
| 16:32.06 | Macer | freakin hybrids man.. they just don't get the job done anymore |
| 16:32.28 | johnx | Macer, yeah, I'm holding out for the chevy volt |
| 16:32.42 | johnx | wazd, looks great :) |
| 16:32.50 | Meizirkki | what the hell is wrong with my n810? when i turn it off, it automatically turns itself back on |
| 16:32.58 | Macer | johnx: am watching the southpark where they make fun of high school musical |
| 16:33.01 | johnx | Meizirkki, plugged into power? |
| 16:33.07 | Meizirkki | charger is not plugged in |
| 16:33.16 | Macer | where they all keep busting into song and dance |
| 16:33.25 | johnx | Meizirkki, tried popping the battery? |
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| 16:33.40 | johnx | if it turns back on with the battery removed just run :) |
| 16:33.47 | Meizirkki | johnx: yes, when i put it back, n810 turns on |
| 16:33.56 | johnx | huh |
| 16:34.04 | slonopotamus | hehe |
| 16:34.06 | johnx | does it act like the power button is stuck when it's running? |
| 16:34.14 | Meizirkki | nope |
| 16:34.31 | slonopotamus | Meiz, modified initfs recently? |
| 16:34.41 | Meizirkki | but for some strange reason it locks screen and keyboard in maemo |
| 16:34.44 | wazd | http://s50.radikal.ru/i129/0902/3f/1b62ce3e737e.png <- Ti 83 |
| 16:34.45 | Meizirkki | (the powerbutton |
| 16:34.50 | GeneralAntilles | Macer, hum, I think I'm behind. . . . |
| 16:35.11 | Macer | GeneralAntilles: lol! |
| 16:35.32 | Macer | "my dad thinks basketball is for sissies..." |
| 16:35.33 | Macer | lol! |
| 16:35.43 | Meizirkki | johnx: power button isn't stuck |
| 16:35.47 | wazd | I'm gonna slp you! |
| 16:35.50 | wazd | slap! |
| 16:35.55 | Macer | they're making their kid reherse how do sing and dance instead of playing basketball! hahahaha! |
| 16:36.20 | johnx | Meizirkki, I don't mean the physical switch, I mean the connection it's attached too (maybe a short circuit?) |
| 16:36.40 | Corsac | hmh, is the Mer first boot, after choosing an username, supposed to be quite long? |
| 16:37.01 | wazd | Ti 83+ <- http://s54.radikal.ru/i143/0902/59/3cea06b9cd17.png |
| 16:37.27 | Meizirkki | johnx: power button acts weird in maemo |
| 16:37.35 | Meizirkki | it locks screen |
| 16:37.40 | Meizirkki | and kb |
| 16:37.43 | StsN802 | 16-bit screen? heck no, look for 32 or 24 bit |
| 16:38.00 | johnx | Meizirkki, dropped it recently? |
| 16:38.04 | StsN802 | source trees indicate rgba |
| 16:38.11 | Meizirkki | nope |
| 16:38.27 | johnx | StsN802, not looking for a specific screen. just trying to track down what an acx565akm is :) |
| 16:38.29 | Macer | i love the fact that my popcorn hour can resume files |
| 16:38.34 | Macer | good firmware update |
| 16:38.40 | Meizirkki | i think this started when i messed with beyboard and ledlight things in mer |
| 16:38.41 | sjgadsby | Grr. All this TI stuff just makes me want a good HP48GX emulator even more. I'm going to have to look at the Power48 source code. |
| 16:38.50 | Meizirkki | flashes initfs |
| 16:38.53 | aquatix | Macer: popcorn hour? |
| 16:39.05 | aquatix | that's some media device? |
| 16:39.13 | johnx | Meizirkki, hmm...maybe, but when the battery is out I don't see how initfs messes with things |
| 16:39.28 | Macer | aquatix: best goddamn media tank ever |
| 16:39.29 | GeneralAntilles | StsN802, some Clutter changes I saw said 16-bit to me. |
| 16:39.35 | aquatix | Macer: ah :) |
| 16:39.44 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, clutter might render in 16bit for speed |
| 16:39.49 | thopiekar | e2fsprogs repacking from ubuntu fails on sb1 maemo4.1 - http://pastebin.com/d25c03abf |
| 16:40.22 | slonopotamus | thinks it's somewhat crazy to boot for charging |
| 16:40.31 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, soften the gradient on the buttons on the 83. |
| 16:40.38 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, yeah, good point. |
| 16:40.38 | qwerty12 | thopiekar, e2fsprogs is already in extras |
| 16:40.42 | StsN802 | thekondor, we have e2fsprogs already |
| 16:40.55 | Macer | well.. maybe not best |
| 16:41.06 | Macer | but it is the smallest and can play anything i've thrown at it |
| 16:41.09 | johnx | slonopotamus, I agree |
| 16:41.26 | thopiekar | qwerty12: I need a package from this multisource... |
| 16:41.56 | slonopotamus | johnx, possibly thay did that to draw boot picture ;) |
| 16:42.02 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: well, Ti 83 buttons have no gradient at all) |
| 16:42.04 | slonopotamus | s/boot/charge/ |
| 16:42.21 | StsN802 | how big is the current tablet screen anyhow? 4 inch? |
| 16:42.29 | slonopotamus | johnx, but that's still crazy :) |
| 16:42.37 | qwerty12 | slonopotamus, according to timeless, the reason is locales >.< |
| 16:42.47 | johnx | ha! found a acx566akm and it's 320x320 :) so that settles it |
| 16:42.49 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, see http://www.albion.edu/math/MBollman/TI83SEOH.jpg |
| 16:42.56 | johnx | the next tablet is running PalmOS5 |
| 16:42.57 | GeneralAntilles | The black function keys should be slightly convex |
| 16:43.10 | GeneralAntilles | and the numpad should be slightly concave. |
| 16:43.22 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, ha |
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| 16:43.28 | sjgadsby | johnx: Well, at least I'll be able to run Power48. |
| 16:43.29 | StsN802 | johnx, 320x320, wtf |
| 16:43.31 | slonopotamus | qwerty12, oh my. i heard laptops somehow manage to charge without locales |
| 16:43.50 | johnx | StsN802, the LCDs in that series have no pattern in the NNN part of acxNNNakm |
| 16:44.07 | johnx | probably not even a linear production date or anything |
| 16:44.12 | johnx | just a UID |
| 16:44.20 | Corsac | mpf, Mer is idling with only the desktop background since like 10 minutes, for the first boot |
| 16:44.22 | *** part/#maemo Grackle (n=Alex@frenchad3-2.umeres.maine.edu) |
| 16:44.28 | Corsac | I'm not really sure it's doing well |
| 16:44.28 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, that was my conclusion. |
| 16:44.29 | qwerty12 | slonopotamus, hey, who says nokia thinks with a straight head? :). It's bullshit because the last time I checked, my last nokia phone didn't say the word charging on it when it was charging |
| 16:45.10 | johnx | Corsac, no progress bar and no desktop? |
| 16:45.13 | Corsac | nop |
| 16:45.19 | Corsac | there was a progress bar |
| 16:45.20 | Corsac | than idle |
| 16:45.23 | Corsac | then ssh keys |
| 16:45.24 | Corsac | then idle |
| 16:45.31 | Corsac | then asked me my name and username |
| 16:45.34 | Corsac | then idle |
| 16:45.38 | Corsac | and there we are |
| 16:45.45 | johnx | ah |
| 16:45.46 | Corsac | (well, maybe not idle, but I have no way to know that) |
| 16:45.52 | Corsac | only the wallpaper appears |
| 16:45.52 | johnx | probably idle |
| 16:46.05 | Corsac | and no way to reach it through ssh |
| 16:46.09 | StsN802 | didnt ask device name? |
| 16:46.12 | Corsac | nop |
| 16:46.15 | johnx | it would help me if you told me what you put in for username and realname. you could /msg that to me if you want |
| 16:46.31 | Corsac | Yves-Alexis Perez / corsac |
| 16:46.59 | johnx | I wonder if the - could somehow be a problem O_o |
| 16:47.08 | slonopotamus | hehe |
| 16:47.09 | Corsac | the power management loop works fine, the screen dim after like 1 minute, and then switch off |
| 16:47.41 | slonopotamus | i wonder what you're doing with names in mer if that can be a problem |
| 16:47.55 | Jaffa | slonopotamus: passing the output of zenity to adduser, at a guess |
| 16:48.01 | johnx | slonopotamus, it's a silly little bash script and I'm not great at bash scripts :) |
| 16:48.25 | johnx | Corsac, try rebooting |
| 16:48.28 | Corsac | ok |
| 16:48.42 | johnx | downloads a fresh image of mer to test with |
| 16:49.04 | thopiekar | ... I need e2fsprogs (comerr-dev) to repack curl (libcurl4-openssl-dev) and curl to repack streamtuner as a gui for my new streamripper packages.. |
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| 16:49.31 | Jaffa | johnx: what's the launchpad URL for the script? I'll reivew it for such holes |
| 16:50.02 | johnx | Jaffa, lp:~mer-committers/m-r/first-boot-wizard |
| 16:50.12 | Macer | hahaha.. the southpark where the damn kids are all playing a video game |
| 16:50.24 | Macer | during computer class where the teacher is absolutely clueless hahahahaha |
| 16:50.28 | thopiekar | the existing packages in the repos are broken.. http://pastebin.com/d70759a5c |
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| 16:51.12 | Jaffa | johnx: ta |
| 16:51.25 | johnx | thopiekar, you didn't try forcing a version with =1.40.3-1? |
| 16:51.39 | johnx | Jaffa, thanks for having a look. try not to be too terrified O_o; |
| 16:51.59 | Jaffa | johnx: change line 66, put $user in double quotes: "$user" |
| 16:52.30 | slonopotamus | quotes are good |
| 16:52.44 | johnx | gotcha. will make the change in a sec |
| 16:52.48 | Jaffa | johnx: similarly for $username_guess on line 70 |
| 16:52.58 | thopiekar | johnx: like this? http://pastebin.com/d34a1ab8d |
| 16:53.05 | slonopotamus | will name his son '; kill -9 1' |
| 16:53.09 | Jaffa | johnx: and $username on line 74 & 77 |
| 16:53.37 | johnx | slonopotamus, and your son will never be able to use mer :P |
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| 16:54.01 | Corsac | slonopotamus: âlittle bobby tableâ? :) |
| 16:54.03 | Jaffa | johnx: and $username on line 96, 105,; and $hostname on 117 |
| 16:54.13 | Jaffa | johnx: that should make it a lot safer |
| 16:54.15 | Corsac | (xkcd.com/327) |
| 16:54.16 | slonopotamus | Corsac, yep :) |
| 16:54.23 | Corsac | ok :) |
| 16:54.40 | Corsac | ok, no Yves-Alexis this time :) |
| 16:55.22 | Corsac | password \o/ |
| 16:55.41 | slonopotamus | Corsac, changelog for mer 0.8: added support for Corsac |
| 16:55.52 | lcuk | Stskeeps, whats the chances of getting clutter running in your emulator? |
| 16:55.55 | slonopotamus | :) |
| 16:56.03 | Corsac | slonopotamus: :) |
| 16:56.16 | Corsac | wow, Fn key doesn't work, no digits >< |
| 16:56.22 | johnx | Jaffa, ok. will do. see anyplace where the real name might be a problem if it has a - in it? |
| 16:56.52 | Jaffa | johnx: probably the first Â$user on line 66 |
| 16:57.12 | Jaffa | sorry, $name on line 66 |
| 16:58.06 | Jaffa | johnx: also, the username_guess will include any non-alphanumeric characters. |
| 16:58.21 | Jaffa | Probably want to change line 66 so it whitelists A-Za-z0-9 |
| 16:58.53 | slonopotamus | plans to build maemo kernel in gentoo this night. anyone interested in benchmarks? |
| 16:59.48 | slonopotamus | btw. will everything brake if i use gcc 4.2 for kernel modules while using maemo kernel built with gcc 3? |
| 17:00.11 | StsN802 | slonopotamus, btw gtk or glib taking a day to compile is why scratchbox is nice.. occasionally |
| 17:00.34 | slonopotamus | StsN802, disagree. gtk builds fast |
| 17:00.37 | Corsac | thanks guys, it booted fine |
| 17:00.49 | slonopotamus | StsN802, and glib too |
| 17:01.22 | Corsac | time for a dist-upgrade |
| 17:01.40 | udovdh | slonopotamus, so there is full source for all n810 special drievrs? |
| 17:01.42 | slonopotamus | StsN802, gcc + glibc took ~15 hours. everything else is much smaller |
| 17:01.42 | udovdh | drivers |
| 17:01.42 | udovdh | ? |
| 17:03.48 | Corsac | oops, I think I made it crash >< |
| 17:04.19 | slonopotamus | udovdh, better ask johnx/Stskeeps. as i understood, almost yes. |
| 17:04.31 | udovdh | interesting |
| 17:04.38 | udovdh | 'almost'? |
| 17:05.09 | Corsac | it doesn't even answer to pings ¬¬ |
| 17:05.28 | Corsac | I hate removing the battery |
| 17:05.31 | Corsac | the case and that stuff |
| 17:05.37 | Corsac | dowant a reset button ¬ ¬ |
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| 17:10.05 | slonopotamus | udovdh, there are some problems with parts of wifi |
| 17:10.24 | udovdh | ah. is there a wiki with more info about this? |
| 17:10.42 | udovdh | e.g. how the stuff (hardware) is connected, what it consists of etc? |
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| 17:11.24 | slonopotamus | there is kernel config which is used to build maemo kernel. |
| 17:12.21 | Corsac | hmhmh, and how can I âright clickâ in mer? |
| 17:12.28 | Corsac | the âlong pressâ doesn't really work |
| 17:12.49 | johnx | Corsac, in which app? |
| 17:12.59 | Corsac | on the network-manager applet |
| 17:13.08 | Corsac | which doesn't find my wifi anymore :/ |
| 17:13.12 | slonopotamus | udovdh, diablo-sources (or diablo-kernel-sources) package in maemo sdk repo. it contains patched kernel with config |
| 17:13.36 | udovdh | aha |
| 17:14.04 | johnx | huh...a $name with a - worked for me ... |
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| 17:16.07 | johnx | wow...never realized how insanely fast mer is even on an emulated x86 machine... |
| 17:17.22 | Corsac | urf, and I have two application menus now |
| 17:17.40 | johnx | yeah, I saw that earlier today |
| 17:17.52 | johnx | anyways, two is twice as good as one |
| 17:17.59 | Corsac | and can't remove the spurious one because the plugin stuff wants two plugins |
| 17:18.00 | Corsac | aha |
| 17:18.09 | Meizirkki | this looks like Vista!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9ifQvQCO7Y |
| 17:19.11 | Corsac | ok, my enter key doesn't work either, mpf :) |
| 17:19.25 | zs | it is Vista ;p |
| 17:19.27 | Corsac | does the menu uses standard .desktop files? |
| 17:19.27 | udovdh | when I drag icons for apps in 'organise applications' they do not stick in the menus I drop them in |
| 17:19.40 | udovdh | is that an issue or am I doing something wrong? |
| 17:20.12 | Corsac | wow, midori works |
| 17:20.13 | Corsac | nice |
| 17:20.36 | johnx | udovdh, yes...that's a pretty old bug :/ |
| 17:20.36 | StsN802 | Corsac, known issue, need to use a gconf command after updating |
| 17:20.45 | johnx | Corsac, correct: under /usr/share/applications/hildon |
| 17:20.53 | Corsac | johnx: ok |
| 17:21.07 | udovdh | johnx, where to complain? |
| 17:21.17 | udovdh | same place as for the usb otg plugin issue? |
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| 17:23.14 | lopz | hola |
| 17:23.25 | StsN802 | johnx, /share got fixed? |
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| 17:28.32 | Corsac | hmhm and is there some power management stuff in mer? |
| 17:28.38 | Corsac | or should I use gnome-power-manager? |
| 17:28.40 | woglinde | apmd |
| 17:28.42 | woglinde | I guess |
| 17:28.48 | Corsac | yeah but from an UI pov |
| 17:29.46 | StsN802 | Corsac, wait for it.. sadly |
| 17:29.54 | Corsac | for? |
| 17:29.57 | Corsac | g-p-m? |
| 17:30.10 | qwerty12 | gnome-power-manager will never work on a tablet |
| 17:30.17 | StsN802 | we don't have battery access in hal yet |
| 17:30.59 | Corsac | ha, ok |
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| 17:31.28 | Corsac | (why so? is it because it uses a different hal? no module? something else?) |
| 17:32.42 | StsN802 | closed source hald addon |
| 17:32.55 | qwerty12 | I'm talking out of my arse sorry, it uses hal like you say. I was under the impression that it got information from apm directly |
| 17:32.56 | Corsac | ok |
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| 17:33.15 | StsN802 | also arm is different in terms of pm |
| 17:33.24 | Corsac | and you don't want to use the closed source hal stuff? or maybe you don't have access? |
| 17:33.33 | slonopotamus_ | ok. started kernel build. |
| 17:35.38 | StsN802 | Corsac, nah.. more like agreement not in place yet on mixing mer and nokia bits |
| 17:36.01 | StsN802 | nokia closed source that is |
| 17:36.42 | r2d2rogers | StsN802: midori looks nice on the 770, but it didn't show up in the menu |
| 17:36.58 | StsN802 | r2d2rogers, yeah, johnx was fixing |
| 17:37.37 | slonopotamus_ | wonders if linux-omap and muru patches are going to be merged upstream |
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| 17:40.30 | johnx | lots of wind outside O_o |
| 17:41.02 | Corsac | mhmh, enter key works in midori (and gtk it seems) but not in terminal |
| 17:41.53 | Corsac | oh and top hw keys don't work either, but maybe that's another closed source bit? |
| 17:42.01 | dphil9000 | installing maemo sdk 4.1.2 on debian stable fails to fetch some .deb's, always fails at the same point - libsmbclient-dev_3.0.23c-losso_i386.deb |
| 17:42.10 | dphil9000 | Anone else get that? |
| 17:42.18 | StsN802 | Corsac, nah, just unimplemented.. |
| 17:42.22 | Corsac | ok |
| 17:42.49 | StsN802 | if you see a lacking thing, add it to the sprint todo |
| 17:42.56 | Corsac | the 0.9 one? |
| 17:42.57 | Corsac | or 0.8? |
| 17:43.19 | StsN802 | 0.8 |
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| 17:44.34 | StsN802 | tasks overflow to next sprint so |
| 17:47.23 | *** part/#maemo zs (n=zs@87-205-133-167.adsl.inetia.pl) |
| 17:47.23 | Corsac | StsN802: can I disconnect wifi and put the device to sleep? |
| 17:48.35 | gladiac | why is libsmbclient so old? |
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| 17:49.02 | StsN802 | Corsac, mm, if you could right click nm you probably could. no such thing as 'put to sleep' btw - it turns off screen and tries to not awaken |
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| 17:49.21 | Corsac | ok but no right clic here :) |
| 17:49.29 | StsN802 | yeah.. |
| 17:49.39 | StsN802 | it was n-m or nothing so |
| 17:49.53 | Corsac | wicd works pretty fine |
| 17:50.01 | Corsac | but maybe not on a tablet :) |
| 17:50.04 | StsN802 | or that |
| 17:50.14 | r2d2rogers | are there any instructions on mounting the internal flash on mer (770)? |
| 17:50.17 | johnx | wicd is python, right? |
| 17:50.27 | udovdh | about the app organiser: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2671 ?? |
| 17:51.10 | qwerty12 | r2d2rogers, mkdir /mnt/int ; mount -t jffs2 /dev/mtdblock4 /mnt/int |
| 17:51.24 | r2d2rogers | qw thanks |
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| 17:51.32 | r2d2rogers | qwerty12: thanks... (missed the tab) |
| 17:51.33 | qwerty12 | /dev/mtdblock4 on N800 at least, run 'cat /proc/mtd' if it's different on 770 |
| 17:51.49 | Corsac | johnx: yes |
| 17:51.59 | r2d2rogers | mtd4 is root |
| 17:52.03 | qwerty12 | cool :) |
| 17:52.40 | Corsac | hmhm, no way to disconnect wifi and no way to force sleep, I guess i'll shut it down, just in case :) |
| 17:55.24 | Corsac | oh, and is there an applet clock |
| 17:55.32 | Corsac | not sure if it's the applet, status bar better? |
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| 18:38.10 | johnx | wow...people running win95 in dosbox on a tablet for a poker game... |
| 18:38.59 | slonopotamus_ | omg |
| 18:39.16 | slonopotamus_ | hey. you don't have right click in mer? |
| 18:39.42 | johnx | we have as much right click as hildon does anywhere else :) |
| 18:39.52 | slonopotamus_ | hmm |
| 18:40.04 | johnx | didn't we have this conversation a couple times? :P |
| 18:40.18 | slonopotamus_ | Corsac couldn't right-click ^ |
| 18:40.40 | johnx | that's correct. nm-applet doesn't understand a long tap |
| 18:40.47 | slonopotamus_ | oh my |
| 18:41.02 | johnx | not really surprising. it's not hildonized in any way |
| 18:41.56 | slonopotamus_ | you've cursed yourself to patch everything |
| 18:42.19 | johnx | yup. because at mer: we like pain. |
| 18:42.24 | _user | Is there a way to clear the on-screen keyboard's history? |
| 18:42.54 | slonopotamus_ | actually i don't see any benefits using ubuntu as upstream then. you can't use almost everything with gui |
| 18:43.32 | johnx | we've already had the ubuntu vs gentoo conversation as well, IIRC :) |
| 18:43.33 | slonopotamus_ | s/every/any/ |
| 18:44.01 | _user | What about Debian? |
| 18:44.12 | slonopotamus_ | _user, worse |
| 18:44.23 | lcuk | slonopotamus_, for front end apps i dont think there is a route which leaves ANYTHING untouched and fitting in |
| 18:44.37 | johnx | _user, debian is a nice distro |
| 18:44.39 | _user | Runs nicely in a chroot on the n810.. |
| 18:45.00 | lcuk | puts a big pile of tissues in the chanbin |
| 18:45.32 | lcuk | johnx, when are you flying back? |
| 18:45.49 | johnx | lcuk, as soon as my feathers grow back in. molting sucks :/ |
| 18:45.55 | lcuk | heh |
| 18:46.12 | _user | But anywho, do y'all know what I'm saying? My on-screen keyboard picked up a password |
| 18:46.29 | lcuk | my osk picked up a virus |
| 18:46.34 | johnx | lcuk, planning a last minute vist? |
| 18:46.34 | _user | I'd really like to clear it |
| 18:46.40 | slonopotamus_ | lcuk, you do not patch everything when switch from gnome to xfce, don't you? |
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| 18:47.08 | lcuk | slonopotamus_, you have to upgrade your hand-eye coordination though |
| 18:47.13 | lcuk | and right click still wont work |
| 18:47.16 | johnx | slonopotamus_, that depends on whether it has gnome dependencies you'd like to avoid, doesn't it? |
| 18:47.34 | johnx | _user, sorry, I know what you mean, but I don't know what files it's stored in |
| 18:48.22 | slonopotamus_ | johnx,in binary-based world - no. you do not rebuild packages. |
| 18:49.05 | slonopotamus_ | johnx, there isn't openoffice-with-gnome/openoffice-without-gnome |
| 18:49.10 | johnx | yes there is |
| 18:49.20 | slonopotamus_ | ??? |
| 18:49.32 | johnx | let me dig up the packages. one sec :) |
| 18:50.39 | johnx | slonopotamus_, from ubuntu.com: Package openoffice.org-gnome. GNOME Integration for OpenOffice.org |
| 18:51.23 | slonopotamus_ | it depends on openoffice, right? and contains only gnome-specific stuff, right? |
| 18:51.26 | _user | Well. On another note, I heard you can get 3d acceleration on the n810 through Android. Y'all know anything about this? |
| 18:52.00 | slonopotamus_ | woops. too many 'right's. |
| 18:52.12 | johnx | _user, there's no way to get hardware acceleration on the n8x0 (unless you write you reverse engineer the hardware and own drivers). sorry to disappoint :/ |
| 18:52.49 | _user | I see. |
| 18:53.13 | johnx | errr...that came out kind of garbled, but I think you get the idea :) |
| 18:53.23 | _user | And Google Gears doesn't work either? |
| 18:53.30 | slonopotamus | hehe |
| 18:54.13 | _user | MicroB's flashblock is also broken, meh |
| 18:54.20 | GAN800 | johnx, somebody should point out PokerTH. |
| 18:54.34 | johnx | slonopotamus, yes of course. I don't see how it proves your point though. there are plenty of packages that have a gnome version and non-gnome version. and plenty of recreations of the same app for different desktop environments |
| 18:54.51 | johnx | slonopotamus, hildon support can be enabled at compile time and is often maintained upstream (see midori) |
| 18:55.05 | lcuk | im so pleased i sussed out why i didnt need pretty little icons for all my modules |
| 18:55.09 | johnx | _user, google gears was working at one point |
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| 18:56.35 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090212_134028.lib.scr.png :) |
| 18:57.09 | johnx | so each of those is running inside the same process? or are those top level X11 windows? |
| 18:57.15 | slonopotamus | kernel builds alphabetically? i'm at net/ipv4 |
| 18:57.47 | Stskeeps | is back on the mertop and ponders what needs to be done on mer before 0.8 |
| 18:58.19 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, mertop - ? |
| 18:58.45 | lcuk | johnx, modules loaded with .so files, like hildon desktop. i couldnt make completely stand alone out of process work |
| 18:58.57 | lcuk | is a shit coder |
| 18:59.05 | johnx | Stskeeps, would you mind taking a look at the last build report from the armel-sb and armel builder? |
| 18:59.25 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mertop.jpg :> |
| 18:59.26 | lcuk | slonopotamus, the mertop is like the batmobile |
| 18:59.30 | johnx | lcuk, I wouldn't say that so much as you've bitten off a huge project and now you have to chew it piece by piece :) |
| 19:00.25 | Stskeeps | johnx: f*cking ports ubuntu com |
| 19:00.29 | GeneralAntilles | There's something wrong with Stskeeps and I think the only solution is more beatings. |
| 19:00.35 | GeneralAntilles | Also: we need to get him a camera. |
| 19:00.41 | Stskeeps | i do have a camera.. :P |
| 19:00.43 | lcuk | johnx, from my personal perspective the modules were fine before - they in essence havent changed in style from how they were, the api has been revamped and they live in a new class and theres a lot more around, but to manage them all in one project was a nightmare - each needs its own bugtracker etc |
| 19:00.55 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, oh |
| 19:01.40 | lcuk | so thats why ive stripped it totally back - theres a core library (at about SDL type level) and then the window manager instance which looks for and loads the dynamic .so files |
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| 19:02.53 | johnx | lcuk, so can you have individual liq apps as top level windows? |
| 19:03.51 | lcuk | that was the theory :$ i ballsed up the implementation and it doesnt like to share (it closes the x11 window after the 2nd app closes) its code related and could be cured |
| 19:04.01 | lcuk | right now theres only 1 top level window |
| 19:04.36 | Stskeeps | johnx: try now |
| 19:05.38 | johnx | building |
| 19:05.46 | johnx | did you try intel's connman yet? |
| 19:05.58 | Stskeeps | lacks wpa and such, so no |
| 19:06.06 | lcuk | johnx, i could carry on trying to get it right or i can code up the api and event handling required for the modules |
| 19:06.14 | Stskeeps | also i am worried by a project where their repositories and mailing lists suddenly vanish in thin air.. |
| 19:06.31 | johnx | their mailing lists are up |
| 19:06.35 | Stskeeps | k |
| 19:06.44 | johnx | and there's deb packaging for it on launchpad so I'll give it a spin |
| 19:06.53 | Stskeeps | k |
| 19:07.16 | Stskeeps | goes check last nights snap4 and see if it built ok |
| 19:07.58 | johnx | I pushed a new first-boot-wizard, but don't build any packages from it until I test locally |
| 19:09.40 | Stskeeps | k |
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| 19:10.22 | johnx | attempts not to repeat what happened last sprint |
| 19:10.42 | slonopotamus | what happened? |
| 19:10.58 | johnx | lots of last minute bug causing/fixing |
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| 19:11.32 | slonopotamus | heh. that happens in every project :) |
| 19:11.36 | Stskeeps | worst sunday ever |
| 19:11.59 | johnx | yeah...I still barely got it in shape before your time-bomb release script fired |
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| 19:12.08 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 19:12.09 | Stskeeps | sorry about that |
| 19:12.15 | johnx | not your fault :) |
| 19:12.23 | Stskeeps | i will do it during sunday this time around i think |
| 19:12.40 | johnx | if I thought it was your fault I would have let you deal with it...but it was my fault so I dealt with it |
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| 19:17.22 | slonopotamus | cool |
| 19:17.43 | slonopotamus | kernel's ready, it started building modules |
| 19:17.52 | johnx | congrats :) |
| 19:17.58 | slonopotamus | anyone has timestamps in irc log? |
| 19:18.06 | johnx | yup |
| 19:18.17 | johnx | so does the irc log listed in the topic IIRC |
| 19:18.19 | slonopotamus | hmm |
| 19:18.25 | slonopotamus | modules ready |
| 19:18.34 | slonopotamus | real 105m3.739s |
| 19:19.32 | slonopotamus | is it slow? or very slow? |
| 19:20.36 | johnx | I guess that seems in the right order of magnitude for a native build |
| 19:20.41 | johnx | is this booted into maemo? |
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| 19:20.54 | slonopotamus | yep, in chroot |
| 19:21.03 | johnx | takes a lot of RAM away to begin with |
| 19:21.06 | johnx | did you use swap? |
| 19:21.24 | slonopotamus | i told gcc to use 32mb of ram |
| 19:21.35 | slonopotamus | it didn't swap |
| 19:22.04 | johnx | so you had swap available but it didn't get hit? |
| 19:22.10 | slonopotamus | yep |
| 19:22.11 | johnx | I assume swappiness was set to 1? |
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| 19:23.04 | slonopotamus | i have osso-statusbar-cpu, it showed ~50% in light red during all build |
| 19:23.26 | slonopotamus | i have default swappiness for maemo |
| 19:23.41 | johnx | then it's set to 1 and you won't hit swap unless it really needs it |
| 19:23.52 | inz | Ooo, does someone really use o-sb-cpu, cool |
| 19:23.57 | slonopotamus | so it didn't need t o |
| 19:23.58 | inz | I though everyone used the other one |
| 19:24.06 | slonopotamus | i use it |
| 19:24.09 | johnx | even if it has to lose all sorts of helpful file caches |
| 19:24.38 | qwerty12_N800 | inz: I use both but prefer the graph image from the bora version :) |
| 19:24.56 | slonopotamus | johnx, 50% for processes, 50% for file cache. i had xterm and xchat runing all that time |
| 19:25.11 | inz | qwerty12, but that's for the bora icon theme |
| 19:25.27 | johnx | your build will probably go faster once you can boot natively and once you tweak swappiness a little higher |
| 19:25.32 | inz | qwerty12, I tried to make it fit better with the new icons |
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| 19:26.08 | slonopotamus | and how long does kernel take to build in sb? |
| 19:26.15 | qwerty12_N800 | inz: I actually prefer the old one personally, more 'compact' to me |
| 19:26.43 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: which xmodmap did you use btw? url |
| 19:27.06 | qwerty12_N800 | I rebuilt the chinook version actually, using the numbers & background image from the bora version |
| 19:27.09 | slonopotamus | load-applet doesn't have clock, is it? |
| 19:27.20 | qwerty12_N800 | nope |
| 19:27.37 | slonopotamus | that's why i prefer o-s-c |
| 19:27.55 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: the deblet one (http://packages.tspre.org/pool/main/n/n810-slideout-kbd-xmodmap/) |
| 19:28.29 | Meiz_n810 | i made some modifications because of the finnish keyboard language |
| 19:29.18 | slonopotamus | johnx, i saw ~5x slower speed on device compared to my desktop single-core athlon xp @2.2ghz |
| 19:29.55 | Meiz_n810 | it's fun to try all kinds desktop-environments in Mer :P |
| 19:30.03 | johnx | slonopotamus, I suppose that seems reasonable. if you're interested in stats check out #merbuilder on jaiku |
| 19:30.35 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: it works without modification too? |
| 19:30.55 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: it should work |
| 19:30.55 | slonopotamus | johnx, but 2200/400 is a litle bit greater than 5 :) so 1 arm mhz is more powerful than 1 athlon 64 mhz |
| 19:30.58 | Stskeeps | k |
| 19:31.16 | johnx | slonopotamus, be careful what conclusions you draw :) |
| 19:31.37 | slonopotamus | johnx, what's wrong with them? |
| 19:31.54 | johnx | do you have the same machine except the processor? |
| 19:32.17 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: there was 4 different options for each key, i removed the fourt option |
| 19:32.19 | slonopotamus | nope, everything else is faster/bigger on desktop. |
| 19:32.35 | slonopotamus | but that doesn't help it :) |
| 19:32.56 | johnx | except that the seek time on your hard drive is higher than it is on the n8x0, and also you're running different software :P |
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| 19:33.20 | slonopotamus | gentoo on both of them, with same software |
| 19:33.28 | slonopotamus | different kernels |
| 19:33.40 | johnx | really? the same binaries? |
| 19:33.42 | Meiz_n810 | phew.. auto-poweron problem's gone now |
| 19:33.44 | johnx | that's a neat trick :) |
| 19:33.57 | johnx | Meiz_n810, ah nice. did you figure it out? |
| 19:33.59 | slonopotamus | johnx, of course not. it is impossible. |
| 19:34.09 | Meiz_n810 | johnx: i reflashed the initfs |
| 19:34.29 | slonopotamus | johnx, you have different numbers? |
| 19:34.33 | johnx | Meiz_n810, well I'm surprised that was causing it, but I'm glad it worked out in the end |
| 19:35.09 | slonopotamus | johnx, comparing 1mhz of arm vs x86? |
| 19:35.26 | johnx | slonopotamus, nope. but I'm just a little surprised that an athlon xp is slower clock for clock than an arm11 |
| 19:36.57 | slonopotamus | johnx, athlon xp is a little bit outdated. posdibly core2duo would produce better results. |
| 19:37.14 | johnx | ok |
| 19:38.21 | johnx | ~lart intel for making dumber build scripts than Nokia |
| 19:38.21 | infobot | drops a humongous exploding nuke on intel for making dumber build scripts than Nokia |
| 19:38.37 | johnx | I'll wait for someone else to package connman |
| 19:38.56 | Stskeeps | did you add lshal keyboard stuff yet btw? |
| 19:38.58 | johnx | the name of the project should have been warning enough :/ |
| 19:39.03 | johnx | nope |
| 19:39.06 | johnx | thanks for the reminder |
| 19:39.12 | Stskeeps | k |
| 19:39.55 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx: do you know if it works well? I'm not a NM fan :) |
| 19:40.24 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, I dunno because I gave up when the build system needed to have udev running ... |
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| 19:40.38 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: next week we should track down your wlan problem :P |
| 19:40.56 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx: eurgh... |
| 19:41.07 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: we should :) |
| 19:41.21 | qwerty12_N800 | I've got the week off anyway :P |
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| 19:41.37 | johnx | heh...there's already someone working on packages on launchpad so I don't see any reason to risk my sanity |
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| 19:51.27 | crashanddie | that one made me laugh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E51BQVOmdo&feature=channel |
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| 20:19.53 | RST38h | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/13/amazon_pulls_sick_japanese_game/ |
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| 20:20.55 | johnx | big news! company with image to protect pulls shocking product from shelves! |
| 20:20.57 | johnx | :) |
| 20:24.08 | lcuk | even bigger news: where the flick is bofh |
| 20:24.29 | t_s_o | i wonder what kind of reaction that game would have in australia... |
| 20:24.31 | johnx | I stopped reading after the original 'episodes' |
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| 20:25.23 | RST38h | t_s_o: Would probably cause copycats all over the place? |
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| 20:26.16 | t_s_o | RST38h: are you not forgetting the recent case where images of the simpsons got slapped as child pornography? |
| 20:29.39 | suihkulokki | interesting that raping game is a taboo, when games about killing a robbing are bestsellers (GTA IV) |
| 20:30.10 | t_s_o | suihkulokki: not without controversy tho... |
| 20:31.02 | johnx | every culture gets to have their own weird taboos :) |
| 20:31.06 | t_s_o | still, usa got a real issue with sexuality from what i can tell. see "nipplegate" a couple of years ago... |
| 20:31.17 | t_s_o | johnx: true that |
| 20:31.53 | lcuk | hard core porn this year |
| 20:31.57 | lcuk | nipplegate == lame |
| 20:31.58 | t_s_o | when it comes to japan its cleanlyness and correctness of behavior from what i can tell |
| 20:32.05 | lcuk | cant wait to see the next superbowl |
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| 20:32.41 | t_s_o | tho i guess they have a issue with real life sexual content as well, tho in some very odd ways... |
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| 20:33.11 | practisevoodoo | anyone got any experince with gpsd on the maemo |
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| 20:34.31 | Phantom | timeless: thanks for help with package manager, it works fine from my local mirror of nokia/maemo repos. ;) sill wonder why it didn't work with web repo... |
| 20:35.05 | johnx | t_s_o, I think the really big taboo in Japan is probably illegal drugs |
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| 20:38.43 | RST38h | t_s_o: I am not very interested in Simpsons or pornography, but given that Australians jerk off at THAT, the game should have stunning success there |
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| 21:03.43 | t_s_o | groan, dont tell me that negadget will be editing in a hockeymask at random in article images the whole day... |
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| 21:04.32 | wazd | And back again) |
| 21:05.44 | Stskeeps | wb :) |
| 21:06.14 | Stskeeps | lo b-man |
| 21:06.25 | Stskeeps | b-man: you succeeded in pushing updates? |
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| 21:07.22 | b-man | i'm having problems submitting them :P, i'll pastebin the errors |
| 21:08.33 | Stskeeps | k |
| 21:13.37 | b-man | is sorry it's taking so long :p |
| 21:16.12 | b-man | Stskeeps: http://pastebin.ca/1336439 |
| 21:17.54 | Stskeeps | ok, first off, export LC_ALL=C |
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| 21:18.42 | Stskeeps | to check out a copy of merinstaller, bzr get lp:~mer-committers/m-r/merinstaller -- it will put it in the directory merinstaller |
| 21:19.10 | b-man | thanks |
| 21:19.26 | Stskeeps | then you go in that directory, do your changes, and to commit it to your local copy, you bzr commit -m "what you did" |
| 21:19.42 | Stskeeps | before you commit, you can review what changes was made, using "bzr diff" |
| 21:20.27 | Stskeeps | then, to push the commits you have made (share them with the rest of us), you do bzr push lp:~mer-committers/m-r/merinstaller |
| 21:23.53 | Stskeeps | and you can grab the changes others have made using bzr pull (or often, bzr merge) |
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| 21:34.00 | b-man | Woho!!!, i successfully updated merinstaller on mer-committers :) |
| 21:35.21 | bef0rd | yijuu |
| 21:36.56 | lcuk | i have a project which has changed quite extensively since i last did svn. what is the best method for bringing it back under svn control? |
| 21:37.15 | lcuk | should i do a checkout of the current svn version and write over all the stuff i have altered |
| 21:38.20 | lcuk | is there a "dont tase me files bro" command |
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| 22:03.50 | t_s_o | hmm, did maemo planet just spit out some old blog posts? |
| 22:04.50 | lcuk | Nokia N800 firmware upgrade 3.2007.10-7 |
| 22:04.59 | lcuk | seems likely t_s_o |
| 22:05.37 | t_s_o | heh, i checked the linked to blog, and said entry was done in 2007, so whatever made planet peg that as recent... |
| 22:06.24 | crashanddie | jeremiah: so you're a machine |
| 22:06.32 | crashanddie | I knew something wasn't right with you, I knew it from the start |
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| 22:10.45 | lcuk | ponders a binary only alpha phase |
| 22:11.00 | lcuk | giggles lots as well ;) |
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| 22:13.11 | wazd | http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/13/nokia-shows-off-sample-image-from-mysterious-8-megapixel-phone/ |
| 22:13.17 | wazd | hmmm-hmmm-hmmm |
| 22:14.22 | wazd | cameraphones has more megapixels than my d-slr( |
| 22:14.29 | aquatix | haha |
| 22:14.34 | b-man | lol |
| 22:14.35 | aquatix | wazd: rest assured |
| 22:14.46 | aquatix | your dSLR has a sensor about 20x the size |
| 22:14.52 | aquatix | at least |
| 22:15.10 | lcuk | camera envy |
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| 22:15.58 | lcuk | you have to wonder though how fast these images can be processed and decoded quickly |
| 22:16.21 | wazd | I remember Onion with "It has more memory and megapixels and other stuff" :) |
| 22:16.51 | t_s_o | i also question what the use of said photos will be. how often do people enlarge photos past say A4? |
| 22:18.13 | thopiekar | can't beleave it that nobody needs streamripper for diablo... |
| 22:18.21 | ciroipp | well, t_s_o, how oftern people print photos anymore anyway |
| 22:18.26 | lcuk | t_s_o, 5mp is a decent enough res that jpeg losses dont effect it |
| 22:18.31 | ciroipp | thopiekar: I need it |
| 22:18.46 | thopiekar | wooho the first tester :) I love you |
| 22:19.03 | thopiekar | http://rapidshare.com/files/197282256/streamripper_armel_all.tar.gz |
| 22:19.07 | ciroipp | glad if ill be able |
| 22:19.21 | thopiekar | this archive contains all deb you need for streamripper |
| 22:19.38 | ciroipp | 1MB??? :) |
| 22:19.43 | thopiekar | isn't complicated actually.. |
| 22:19.52 | thopiekar | yes.. too much? |
| 22:19.58 | t_s_o | sadly i guess that MP have become the Hz of digital cameras... |
| 22:20.09 | ciroipp | and how I am supposed to test it if is not compiled? |
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| 22:20.31 | wazd_hp | wrong button( |
| 22:20.31 | lcuk | mpix and a good lens does help |
| 22:20.56 | t_s_o | lcuk: true, but the lens quality is harder to quantify on a ad sheet ;) |
| 22:20.59 | wazd_hp | well, more mpixels - sharper image |
| 22:21.02 | thopiekar | is is compiled for armel.. just ready to install.. the problem is that I can'T test the packages because my n800 is in a repair shop... |
| 22:21.21 | thopiekar | s/is/it |
| 22:21.22 | ciroipp | sad |
| 22:21.32 | ciroipp | there is everything inside that tar |
| 22:21.32 | lcuk | wazd_hp, no - more mp == bigger images == slower loading (without hardware accel) == more sales of big mem cards |
| 22:21.36 | thopiekar | yes :| |
| 22:21.50 | thopiekar | yes :) |
| 22:22.23 | ciroipp | give me 2 minutes |
| 22:22.29 | t_s_o | seems my tablet has suddenly lost all ability to play sounds... |
| 22:22.48 | wazd_hp | lcuk: no) more mp = sharper imaes on same format |
| 22:23.27 | lcuk | no, you could have all the mp in the world and still come out with crap blurry images because the backend hardware (and lens) are crap |
| 22:23.30 | thopiekar | just remember to make a dictionary in the music-files folder or anywhere else and then point the ripped files there by "streamripper -d /output-folder/where/every/you/want IP:PORT" |
| 22:23.44 | thopiekar | ciroipp: ok thanks anyway |
| 22:24.01 | wazd_hp | lcuk: I'm comparing same hardware with mp difference |
| 22:24.09 | lcuk | the camera on n8x0 proves that. there are MUCH better cameras with same resolution |
| 22:24.31 | wazd_hp | luck: I'm not telling than mp is all you need |
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| 22:24.58 | wazd_hp | lcuk: I'm telling that more megapixels - sharper image. It's a fact) |
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| 22:25.36 | wazd_hp | lcuk: you can make blurry shot with 50mpx digital back :) |
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| 22:25.46 | ciroipp | no success installing from the application manager, trying with the $ |
| 22:26.04 | thopiekar | ok |
| 22:26.06 | lcuk | wazd_hp, hehe i do - often |
| 22:26.07 | MaceN800 | hi |
| 22:26.17 | lcuk | is bad behind the camera |
| 22:26.21 | t_s_o | gah, restarting esd changed nothing, so whats going on... |
| 22:26.41 | thopiekar | what is the message of the application manager? |
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| 22:26.50 | MaceN800 | my picoups came in today but im stuck at work |
| 22:27.13 | wazd_hp | lcuk: the fact is that the most important thing that affects your photos are your hands |
| 22:27.34 | thopiekar | ps: if application manager says that libmad or something else is missing just install it with the extracted deb of the tar.. |
| 22:27.55 | wazd_hp | lcuk: I know people that can take awesome photos with matchbox with pinhole) |
| 22:27.58 | lcuk | agreed on that wazd, i shake all over |
| 22:28.07 | lcuk | pinhole camera rock!¬ |
| 22:28.11 | lcuk | -¬ |
| 22:28.16 | MaceN800 | want to go home and install it |
| 22:28.33 | wazd_hp | lcuk: all this technical stuff just makes it easy to average user |
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| 22:29.47 | wazd_hp | lcuk: on cameraphones megapixels are pure marketing shit) |
| 22:30.01 | wazd_hp | lcuk: same as "Carl Ceiss lens" stuff)) |
| 22:30.12 | lcukx41 | same for cameras in general |
| 22:30.18 | aquatix | carl zeiss is pure hype nowadays |
| 22:30.21 | aquatix | marketing |
| 22:30.28 | lcukx41 | shat! i left the nokia on the other side of the room |
| 22:30.46 | aquatix | it has a special coating by carl zeiss but not a carl zeiss glass? "carl zeiss lense!$$$" |
| 22:30.55 | wazd | lcukx41: no, megapixels are important, I've already said why :) |
| 22:30.56 | lcukx41 | cant be arsed gettin up thou |
| 22:31.01 | aquatix | lcukx41: :) |
| 22:31.21 | wazd | lcukx41: but not for tiny cams :) |
| 22:31.45 | t_s_o | hmm, any way to reset the dsp without rebooting? |
| 22:32.16 | lcukx41 | lardman would know for certain, cant you just reboot? |
| 22:32.22 | wazd | I wish engeneers will cut off a piece of some mature dslr sensor and it will make nice 3mpx photos :) |
| 22:32.56 | lcukx41 | wazd, having a large sensor needs a large aperture and a decent lens |
| 22:33.08 | wazd | lcukx41: it won't be large |
| 22:33.25 | wazd | lcukx41: it will be very good quality |
| 22:33.38 | lcukx41 | not if theres not a lot of light entering it wont |
| 22:34.00 | lcukx41 | larger sensor pads need more light to get better s2n |
| 22:34.33 | lcukx41 | big dslr cameras have large apertures and big lenses for a reason |
| 22:34.39 | wazd | lcukx41: wait I'll show yA |
| 22:34.58 | MaceN800 | via should mzke a quad arm ststem that is like the artigo |
| 22:35.04 | MaceN800 | or nokia heh |
| 22:35.19 | MaceN800 | system |
| 22:36.17 | lcukx41 | MaceN800: beagleboard? |
| 22:36.29 | MaceN800 | oh |
| 22:36.41 | MaceN800 | they make one? =) |
| 22:37.29 | lcukx41 | dunno about the quad stuff but its powered up a fair number of desktop systems |
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| 22:41.33 | t_s_o | hrmf, seems sound works, only it do not like using speakers... |
| 22:42.53 | lcukx41 | t_s_o: bad cable? |
| 22:42.53 | t_s_o | fm radio driving me nuts apparently |
| 22:42.53 | lcukx41 | ooer |
| 22:42.53 | t_s_o | seems that if i got it tuned to a channel and then bumped it to use speakers, everything works again... |
| 22:43.25 | lcukx41 | how bizarre |
| 22:43.37 | t_s_o | indeed |
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| 22:44.09 | lcukx41 | facepalms |
| 22:44.10 | t_s_o | i wonder if boafm shuts down the hardware correctly on exit btw... |
| 22:44.38 | wazd | lcukx41: http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/digital/sensorsize2.gif |
| 22:45.08 | wazd | lcukx41: Let's say 35mm is 21.1 mpx now (Canon 5d) |
| 22:45.25 | wazd | lcukx41: Xi is cameraphone sensor size |
| 22:45.28 | qwerty12_N800 | t_s_o: 'dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.osso_hp_ls_controller /com/nokia/osso_hp_ls_controller com.nokia.osso_hp_ls_controller.loudspeaker.force_loudspeaker_on' to enable speaker outside of boafm |
| 22:45.48 | t_s_o | thanks qwerty12_N800 |
| 22:45.49 | wazd | lcukx41: let's just cut off the size of xi from 5D sensor |
| 22:46.19 | wazd | lcukx41: it will be about 2mpx but with outstanding iso range and overall quality |
| 22:46.34 | t_s_o | thing is tho, that i had not touched boafm or the radio applet for atleast 24 hours, this silly machine just decided that it didnt want to play sounds thru speakers any more... |
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| 22:47.10 | lcukx41 | wazd: that 2mpix sensor would be in relative darkness for the duration of the image though, it would have bad s2n |
| 22:47.22 | lcukx41 | to use larger pads you need mroe light |
| 22:48.02 | lcukx41 | or longer exposure (which leads to blurry) |
| 22:48.05 | wazd | lcukx41: with larger pixel size it will be MORE sensitive than the current ones |
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| 22:48.31 | wazd | lcukx41: with less noise |
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| 22:50.49 | lcukx41 | if what you are getting at is comparing an already 5mpixel camera with a mythical 2.5mpix camera using the same aperture and occupying the same space then yeah it will, but you get similar results by just interpolating the 5mpix ;) |
| 22:50.57 | t_s_o | but then i got the radio applet fired up, tuned to a channel and toggled between speakers and headset, and back it came... |
| 22:51.12 | lcukx41 | the radio needs antenna thing doesnt it |
| 22:51.19 | lcukx41 | at least on gfs old phone it did |
| 22:51.28 | lcukx41 | plug in headphones to use radio |
| 22:51.32 | t_s_o | yep, it uses the headset |
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| 22:52.25 | t_s_o | lcukx41: thing is, it was not that radio didnt have sound, nothing had sound. and no amount of restarts of esd, mediaplayer-daemon or anything else i could think of related to sounds (outside of a full system reboot) helped |
| 22:53.02 | t_s_o | and it was playing desktop feedback sounds maybe a hour or two before that, so i just wonder what triggered it... |
| 22:53.24 | lcukx41 | ahhh v strange |
| 22:53.35 | t_s_o | indeed, close to windows strange |
| 22:54.01 | t_s_o | in that the simple act of flipping sound output in the radio applet fixed it, while nothing else did |
| 22:54.38 | lcukx41 | heh @ windows strange |
| 22:54.54 | lcukx41 | linux isnt that different, often its easier to reboot than to diagnose :P |
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| 22:55.37 | t_s_o | maybe so |
| 22:55.56 | t_s_o | especially ones dbus gets its connections in a twist |
| 22:56.09 | lcukx41 | depends on frustration level, i tend to follow things as far as i can then hit a wall of knowledge |
| 22:56.22 | lcukx41 | wouldnt understand dbus |
| 22:56.24 | t_s_o | hehe |
| 22:58.38 | t_s_o | the reason i said "windows strange" is because i got reminded about a app i used that suddenly had the habit of triggering some tray apps menu when it got started, with the app and the tray app being fully unrelated |
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| 23:00.05 | lcukx41 | t_s_o: ewww sounds odd indeed, but in windows world, that happens all the time :: norton av always bobs up at work when i try stuff |
| 23:00.19 | lcukx41 | it told me today it was a security risk to allow an inbound vnc connection |
| 23:00.43 | t_s_o | heh, its technically right ;) |
| 23:00.44 | lcukx41 | "intrusion detection: the user would like to maliciously show you their desktop" |
| 23:01.00 | t_s_o | ugh, now thats the wrong way to present it tho... |
| 23:01.24 | lcukx41 | they said vnc inbound was some master hack attack |
| 23:01.40 | lcukx41 | i explicitely gave out my ip and the remote user sent me their screen |
| 23:01.51 | lcukx41 | has done this now for years |
| 23:02.24 | lcukx41 | i can understand it blocking outbound vnc stuff, but inbound was a wtf |
| 23:03.48 | t_s_o | maybe there have been instances of blind remote controlls or something, using the inbound connection? |
| 23:04.06 | lcukx41 | whoosh, i told it to eff off anyway |
| 23:04.09 | lcukx41 | hates norton |
| 23:04.41 | lcukx41 | i disabled ids completely whilst i sorted out my user, then made sure it was allowed |
| 23:05.07 | t_s_o | and these days using any kind of well known security package is a invite to have it disabled by the next trojan wave anyways... |
| 23:05.40 | lcukx41 | its the blind faith others have in it that worries me more |
| 23:05.49 | lcukx41 | would *prefer* secure by default |
| 23:06.07 | lcukx41 | asking questions about why you need to be protected and queriing what is running on your machine |
| 23:06.10 | bef0rd | you should remove norton! |
| 23:06.11 | t_s_o | http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16591-twisted-radio-beams-could-untangle-the-airwaves.html <- this sounds like some kind of sci-fi thing |
| 23:06.36 | lcukx41 | bef0rd: company policy |
| 23:06.46 | bef0rd | evil :< |
| 23:06.59 | t_s_o | lcukx41: and then you have some kind of rootkit sneak past you and embed itself behind the os... |
| 23:07.02 | lcukx41 | :) there are many worse policies in the world |
| 23:07.27 | t_s_o | was there not some special file names that windows would not display in any listing? |
| 23:07.29 | lcukx41 | t_s_o: if you have nothing open nothing can slip past |
| 23:07.40 | t_s_o | lcukx41: good luck with that... |
| 23:07.48 | lcukx41 | t_s_o: yeah, the sony rootkit gave that option |
| 23:07.55 | lcukx41 | t_s_o: i said "prefer" |
| 23:08.18 | t_s_o | more like a utopian dream but then im a bit pesimistic about these things |
| 23:08.36 | lcukx41 | do you run a virus checker on linux? |
| 23:08.39 | lcukx41 | on maemo? |
| 23:08.47 | t_s_o | there is always the old joke about encasing the computer in concrete and putting it at the bottom of the ocean |
| 23:09.12 | t_s_o | nope, but then im guessing that linux on arm will be such a obscure target for the time being that it will not be needed |
| 23:09.29 | lcukx41 | arm on x86 then? |
| 23:09.34 | lcukx41 | do you have alinux desktop |
| 23:09.46 | t_s_o | yep, and i have clamav here somewhere... |
| 23:10.04 | thopiekar_n95 | Cu |
| 23:10.07 | lcukx41 | isnt that for mail stuff to remove windows viruses? |
| 23:10.15 | lcukx41 | might be wrong |
| 23:10.28 | t_s_o | can be used to scan local files to, but no real time scan |
| 23:11.01 | lcukx41 | so no "live" protection? |
| 23:11.25 | t_s_o | nope |
| 23:11.39 | lcukx41 | MY GOD MAN, THERE ARE VIRUSES OUT THERE!!! :P :D |
| 23:12.04 | t_s_o | tho most of my software downloads are source, not binary, and there is a firewall in my router... |
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| 23:12.22 | lcukx41 | source can still be dody |
| 23:12.24 | lcukx41 | dodgy |
| 23:12.28 | t_s_o | and the distro im using is somewhat minimal in what it starts up |
| 23:12.37 | t_s_o | true |
| 23:12.39 | lcukx41 | which returns to what i said up there ^ |
| 23:13.25 | lcukx41 | anyway, im goin for a bit, head hurting and stomach churning |
| 23:13.34 | lcukx41 | catch ya later t_s_o |
| 23:13.38 | t_s_o | whats the joke about a secure computer again, unplugged network and power, encased in concrete and put on the bottom of the ocean, patroled by heavily armed and well payed guards? |
| 23:13.47 | lcukx41 | sharks * |
| 23:14.06 | lcukx41 | with laser beams |
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| 23:14.31 | t_s_o | :) |
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| 23:15.17 | guaka | hi, I'm trying to cross compile schism tracker for maemo, but it kinda stops at "/usr/include/SDL/SDL_opengl.h:44:60: GL/gl.h: No such file or directory" |
| 23:15.41 | t_s_o | missing mesa? |
| 23:16.21 | guaka | inside my scratchbox apt-cache search mesa or opengl doesn't give my anything... are there any repos I can add to sources.list? |
| 23:17.26 | crashanddie | test |
| 23:17.53 | _user | the stuff under the maps directory on the internal memory card can be deleted, right? That is, it can be re-downloaded later, right? |
| 23:19.38 | crashanddie | guaka, check your library path |
| 23:20.16 | crashanddie | guaka, find /usr/include -name GL/gl.h |
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| 23:20.49 | crashanddie | guaka, also there's a very good reason no-one developped OpenGL libraries for Maemo: IT SUCKS |
| 23:21.30 | guaka | _user, yeah, I'm not 100% sure but I think I've deleted that before, it will just create new one - just make a backup first |
| 23:22.07 | guaka | crashanddie, there's no gl.h in my /scratchbox ... I found this: http://unrealvoodoo.org/hiteck/blog/graphics/opengl-es-for-maemo/ but it's from 2007 |
| 23:22.24 | guaka | for bora |
| 23:22.56 | _user | I can't make a backup of it, as I've no place to put it; the dir is 1.7GiB large. |
| 23:23.14 | crashanddie | guaka, then you have your answer, only OpenGL ES exists, and that's pretty much shite. We don't have the drivers to access the PowerVR chip, so there's pretty much no OpenGL support |
| 23:23.20 | _user | Which is why I want to lose it |
| 23:23.34 | crashanddie | _user, yes, you can delete it without a problem |
| 23:24.26 | guaka | maybe there's a way to compile schism without opengl, I don't think it really needs it, it could do with just sdl I think |
| 23:24.28 | Stskeeps | oh friggen yes. a movie with alyson hannigan in it. |
| 23:24.50 | Stskeeps | sometimes it is good to be at a place with a TV. |
| 23:25.12 | _user | crashanddie, thanks |
| 23:25.40 | lcuk | Stskeeps, movies of alyson hannigan are old hat, since buffy stopped shes been doing personal visits to peoples houses |
| 23:26.08 | _user | crashanddie, also: Is there a way to restore my n810 device to its factory defaults? |
| 23:26.20 | lcuk | shwings @ alyson anyway |
| 23:26.21 | crashanddie | _user, it's called "flashing", yes |
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| 23:26.45 | crashanddie | _user, though, the "Internal Memory Card" won't be set back to factory defaults |
| 23:26.48 | lcuk | disaster zone: i have no bread |
| 23:26.58 | crashanddie | _user, only the root partition is affected by flashes |
| 23:26.59 | _user | right |
| 23:27.34 | crashanddie | lcuk, who wouldn't suck her blood or stake her: http://www.wallpaperbase.com/wallpapers/celebs/alysonhannigan/alyson_hannigan_9.jpg |
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| 23:28.06 | _user | Yeah , I gotchya. So if I mess things up good, which is a fair possibility, I can clean up the mess through flashing |
| 23:28.11 | _user | Rock on |
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| 23:30.06 | lcuk | doesnt suck blood, ill wait a week |
| 23:30.20 | rzr | http://rzr.online.fr/q/now 1234567890day countdown started |
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| 23:30.52 | crashanddie | _user, yeah, historically, we had to flash in order to upgrade to new versions, though now we can get software only updates |
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| 23:31.41 | lcuk | brb food |
| 23:32.01 | jaem | happy unix new year!!!!! |
| 23:32.16 | jaem | 1234567890 |
| 23:32.24 | FireFox3 | 0o ?? |
| 23:32.35 | crashanddie | oh right, that's today, isn't it? |
| 23:32.44 | crashanddie | saw the story on slashdot this week |
| 23:32.53 | FireFox3 | unix new year? |
| 23:33.13 | crashanddie | yup, 4 minutes the unix timestamp hit 1234567890 |
| 23:33.19 | crashanddie | s/minutes/minutes ago/ |
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| 23:49.48 | MaceN800 | ugh |
| 23:51.44 | MaceN800 | i feel like shit |
| 23:51.46 | MaceN800 | think i'm kind of sick |
| 23:52.56 | _[FireFox]_ | hands MaceN800 a barf bag |
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