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| 00:09.54 | rzr | for 770 owners : http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000AOV9GA/ref=rzr-21/# |
| 00:19.00 | qwerty12_N800 | timeless: ping |
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| 00:44.12 | darkblue_B | wireless ad-hoc networking anyone? |
| 00:46.38 | darkblue_B | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:52.45 | timeless | help? |
| 00:52.51 | timeless | my mer has 0 network interfaces |
| 00:52.56 | timeless | and i don't remember my password |
| 00:53.08 | darkblue_B | that sounds unlucky |
| 00:53.08 | timeless | how do i do something to it? :) |
| 00:53.16 | timeless | it's vmware... |
| 00:53.17 | darkblue_B | whats a mer ? |
| 00:53.23 | timeless | ~mer |
| 00:53.45 | infobot | methinks mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer |
| 00:53.45 | timeless | ~ping |
| 00:53.46 | infobot | ~pong |
| 00:54.17 | qwerty12_N800 | mount the image outside vmware, add a sudoers rule to allow all root commands passwordless :p |
| 00:54.32 | qwerty12_N800 | or just chroot I guess |
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| 00:55.07 | timeless | what file system is the image? |
| 00:55.41 | timeless | oh wait! |
| 00:55.59 | timeless | ok |
| 00:56.03 | timeless | so, i have dpkg-deb |
| 00:56.10 | timeless | which means i can make an anything |
| 00:56.10 | darkblue_B | huh |
| 00:56.13 | timeless | and attack myself |
| 00:56.25 | darkblue_B | I wonder if my VirtualBox things can do something like that |
| 00:56.36 | timeless | dpkg-deb is my friend |
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| 00:57.13 | qwerty12_N800 | timeless: if you do get your networking back, hildon-theme-selector is in the mer repository. working flawlessly in diablo at least |
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| 00:57.21 | darkblue_B | well it turns out that the net instructions I got for making an ad hoc network, changing /etc/network/interfaces, do almost nothing on the N800 |
| 00:57.52 | darkblue_B | the reboot fails, and restarting the device, comes up with wireless just the way it was before |
| 00:57.53 | qwerty12_N800 | timeless: ext3 iirc |
| 00:58.19 | qwerty12_N800 | is this vmware install on windows? |
| 00:59.20 | darkblue_B | VBox does the same thing with its vdi files.. neat |
| 01:03.25 | darkblue_B | meanwhile, no effect on wireless networking on the N800 |
| 01:04.17 | timeless | qwerty: cool |
| 01:04.25 | timeless | i'm actually pulling in pieces of diablo atm |
| 01:04.50 | darkblue_B | so thre is an .iso for mer ? |
| 01:04.57 | qwerty12_N800 | heh |
| 01:05.26 | qwerty12_N800 | darkblue_B: vmdk & the plain old tarball :) |
| 01:06.02 | darkblue_B | oh yuck - VMWare specific |
| 01:06.04 | darkblue_B | oh well |
| 01:06.14 | timeless | most things support vmdk |
| 01:06.22 | qwerty12_N800 | i think virtualbox can use vmdk |
| 01:06.32 | darkblue_B | ohh maybe VBox does - ok spoe hastily |
| 01:06.36 | darkblue_B | spoke |
| 01:06.48 | timeless | ok, why wouldn't sshd be running? |
| 01:06.57 | qwerty12_N800 | I use vmware personally but i've seen many screenshots of Stskeeps using virtualbox |
| 01:07.37 | darkblue_B | well *if* I get traction with this client solution, I'd be willing to try some Hildon python on mer |
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| 01:09.19 | timeless | if i added: |
| 01:09.26 | timeless | user ALL = NOPASSWD: /bin/sh |
| 01:09.40 | timeless | to sudoers, would i be able to sudo /bin/sh ? |
| 01:11.12 | qwerty12_N800 | yes, except you'd wanna change user |
| 01:11.26 | timeless | why? is user the anme of an accont? |
| 01:11.31 | qwerty12_N800 | yes |
| 01:11.44 | timeless | oh, well, that's nice |
| 01:11.55 | qwerty12_N800 | actually, let me check, i'm not 100% |
| 01:12.06 | timeless | because most of the lines in sudoers.d/ are user, not %users |
| 01:13.00 | qwerty12_N800 | yes, user is a user :) |
| 01:14.11 | qwerty12_N800 | it could be an result of installing things from extras - it's nice when you are able to hardcode values without worry :) |
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| 01:16.44 | timeless | ok, i'm root |
| 01:16.52 | timeless | what do i need to make sure i have networking? |
| 01:16.56 | timeless | esp lo0 |
| 01:16.58 | timeless | and sshd |
| 01:17.00 | timeless | at boot |
| 01:18.59 | qwerty12_N800 | Not really sure on the networking specifics, but I guess having network-manager installed would be a start and openssh-server should probably be installed from the ubuntu repo, not the extras one |
| 01:19.35 | timeless | well... |
| 01:19.42 | timeless | i had to remove network-manager |
| 01:19.47 | timeless | it broke my ability to use diablo |
| 01:19.58 | qwerty12_N800 | ah :/ |
| 01:20.03 | darkblue_B | "wireless cards that support ad-hoc networking..." so this card may not support ad-hoc mode |
| 01:20.57 | darkblue_B | no lspci.. |
| 01:21.11 | darkblue_B | Wicd |
| 01:24.21 | timeless | why doesn't mer show me lo0? |
| 01:24.52 | qwerty12_N800 | isn't it eth0 in vmware? |
| 01:31.03 | timeless | hey, how do i restart x11? |
| 01:34.58 | qwerty12_N800 | think it's /etc/init.d/auto-startx restart |
| 01:45.58 | timeless | oh fsck |
| 01:46.02 | timeless | deleted upstart |
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| 01:51.15 | timeless | help, which package contains update-rc.d ? |
| 01:51.47 | sp3000 | you need to version your mer :) |
| 01:51.57 | timeless | yeah well |
| 01:52.20 | sp3000 | & |
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| 01:54.24 | timeless | anyone w/ a mer alive? |
| 01:55.59 | b-man | i have mer and ubuntu - but mer is not functioning properly atm :P |
| 01:56.06 | timeless | well |
| 01:56.14 | timeless | which update-rc.d |
| 01:56.25 | timeless | dpkg -S ${that} |
| 01:57.10 | b-man | tryss to think of the package that contains that |
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| 02:01.36 | b-man | i'm not 100% shure :P |
| 02:01.38 | b-man | trys googling |
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| 02:06.07 | b-man | timeless: try "dpkg -S `locate update-rc.d`" |
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| 02:06.31 | timeless | i don't *have* the package |
| 02:09.28 | b-man | timeless: the package name is sysv-rc |
| 02:11.20 | timeless | b-man: wrong flavor |
| 02:12.06 | b-man | hmm |
| 02:12.55 | timeless | bman, try again: for /usr/share/sysvinit/update-rc.d |
| 02:14.44 | timeless | unop: so |
| 02:17.45 | b-man | i'm getting a 'not found' message :P |
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| 02:20.56 | b-man | is sorry if he is not being verry helpful - it is late here and i'm drowsy :P |
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| 06:48.27 | wireghoul | Does anyone know how to separate the touchscreen and keyboard modules on a nokia n810? |
| 06:49.15 | johnx | hmm |
| 06:49.19 | johnx | I thought I saw a link once |
| 06:49.24 | johnx | let me see if I can find it |
| 06:51.40 | johnx | sooo...would a Nokia service manual be about what you're looking for? |
| 06:52.11 | wireghoul | possibly |
| 06:52.23 | johnx | I'm not 100% sure this is what you want, but maybe: http://www.nmacleod.com/nokia/schematics/ |
| 06:53.04 | johnx | there's also a couple videos of an n810 being disassembled I think, but that's easy to google |
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| 06:56.26 | wireghoul | johnx, the sm got dissasembly instructions, now to work around not having the standard toolkit.. tyvm |
| 06:56.38 | johnx | sure :) |
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| 07:06.44 | mikem` | just bought a new memory card for my n810, but how do I access/mount it? doesn't show up in file manager |
| 07:07.05 | johnx | my only advice is make sure it's pushed in all the way |
| 07:07.39 | mikem` | slaps forehead |
| 07:07.47 | mikem` | "Memory card available" :D |
| 07:07.51 | johnx | :) |
| 07:07.51 | mikem` | johnx: thanks |
| 07:07.57 | johnx | doesn't even have an n810 |
| 07:08.00 | johnx | sure :) |
| 07:10.45 | mavhc | "have you tried taking it out and putting it back in again" is the collolary to "have you tried turning it off and on again" |
| 07:10.59 | timeless | sighsw |
| 07:11.07 | timeless | how does one 'break' conflicts? |
| 07:11.35 | johnx | mavhc, except I know that a lot people have problems with the n810 and memory cards related to them not being in all the way |
| 07:12.35 | johnx | timeless, you mean 'repair' a situation where you have some conflicting packages installed? |
| 07:12.43 | timeless | well, kinda |
| 07:12.47 | timeless | not really |
| 07:12.53 | timeless | i'm trying to add packages |
| 07:12.56 | timeless | and things are fighting |
| 07:13.05 | timeless | basically upstart and sysvinit don't get along |
| 07:13.18 | johnx | yeah, not suprisingly |
| 07:14.17 | johnx | and so you want to do what exactly? force both to be installed? |
| 07:14.35 | timeless | yes |
| 07:14.47 | Corsac | isn't that a weird idea? |
| 07:15.10 | Corsac | they both ship /sbin/init and are both intended to do the same job |
| 07:15.12 | johnx | apt trusts the packages over the user |
| 07:15.17 | Corsac | they _have_ to conflict |
| 07:15.29 | Corsac | and they sure shouldn't be both installed |
| 07:15.31 | johnx | you can force dpkg to do it but then your system will probably be broken |
| 07:15.45 | Corsac | badly |
| 07:16.12 | mavhc | johnx: both bits of advice work often, it's more that it's something people haven't tried |
| 07:17.10 | timeless | sighs |
| 07:17.33 | johnx | timeless, at this point why even bother with packages, just unpack the .debs into / |
| 07:17.54 | johnx | you'll end up with a broken system either way, might as well get there as fast as you can... |
| 07:18.11 | timeless | creates dummy packages and starts installing them |
| 07:18.18 | johnx | equivs is good for that |
| 07:18.33 | timeless | why didn't you suggest equivs? :) |
| 07:18.52 | johnx | because you asked how to install two packages that conflict. I assumed you cared about their contents |
| 07:19.03 | timeless | don't assume that :) |
| 07:19.19 | timeless | i only care about things which demand to have them |
| 07:19.45 | johnx | ok, I will no longer assume that directly answering the questions you ask will make you happy :P |
| 07:19.52 | timeless | thanks :) |
| 07:19.53 | Macer | hahaha |
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| 07:20.15 | johnx | mavhc, 'turn it off and on again' is more of a reminder. but 'push the card in more' falls under the category of "I know you're worried about breaking it, but please, apply more force" :) |
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| 07:21.03 | mavhc | that is the modern day dilema, how much force is too much? |
| 07:21.25 | Macer | it's ok. china allows us to replace things |
| 07:21.44 | johnx | hopefully this era of fragile consumer oriented devices will be over soon |
| 07:21.59 | johnx | cellphones are already showing impressive amounts of hardiness |
| 07:22.04 | Macer | johnx: that would be nice |
| 07:22.23 | Macer | i always had a thing for pre 1990 hardware |
| 07:22.30 | johnx | eh |
| 07:22.38 | johnx | it's more of a longterm change I think :) |
| 07:22.41 | Macer | like stereo receivers etc |
| 07:23.00 | Macer | seemed to use a lot more metal in those days :) |
| 07:23.21 | Macer | points at plastic cars |
| 07:23.49 | johnx | points at flashlights vs lanterns |
| 07:23.52 | Macer | look at Saturn. I know a plastic car when I see one |
| 07:24.13 | Macer | they guise it under trends like "dent resistant panels" |
| 07:24.24 | johnx | they do pop right out in many cases |
| 07:24.57 | Macer | do they even bend? |
| 07:25.02 | johnx | yeah |
| 07:25.08 | Macer | the best one is the "crumple zone" |
| 07:25.10 | Macer | :) |
| 07:25.13 | johnx | ah |
| 07:25.27 | timeless | oh, oops |
| 07:25.28 | johnx | well that's for protecting the contents of the car by absorbing force |
| 07:25.30 | timeless | forgot |
| 07:25.31 | Macer | justifying plastic made cars by saying it is ok for it to shatter because it saves your life |
| 07:25.39 | timeless | i don't think i have hildon-application-manager installed anymore |
| 07:26.02 | johnx | the plastic isn't the 'crumple' part. the crumple part is part of the frame |
| 07:26.23 | Macer | johnx: i am sure the plastic plays a role also |
| 07:26.35 | Macer | if the body was steel it wouldn't nearly "absorb" the impact as much |
| 07:26.35 | johnx | cars with metal skin have crumple zones |
| 07:27.03 | mavhc | plastic doesn't crumple |
| 07:27.11 | Macer | older ones? |
| 07:27.23 | Macer | i don't think my 1994 caprice has a crumple zone :) |
| 07:27.32 | Macer | i think it was engineered to just kind of follow through |
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| 07:28.47 | mavhc | this car has less than 0 safety features, if you drive it badly it'll shoot you in the head |
| 07:28.54 | johnx | heh |
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| 07:29.22 | johnx | take off the dash padding and steering wheel cover and you'll have a better approximation of what I used to drive :> |
| 07:29.36 | Macer | well.. mercedes was making crumple zones in 1959 |
| 07:29.41 | johnx | also the interior door padding and pretty much anything that covers bare metal |
| 07:30.45 | Macer | In simplistic terms, this is achieved by controlled weakening of outer parts of the car while strengthening the inner (passenger cabin) part of the body by using more reinforcing beams and increasingly, higher strength steels. |
| 07:31.15 | johnx | you put it much better than I could have |
| 07:31.26 | timeless | grumbles |
| 07:31.42 | timeless | wonders why hildon-update-notifier conflicts w/ hildon-application-manager |
| 07:32.44 | johnx | versions? |
| 07:33.08 | timeless | wishses apt would explain its logic |
| 07:33.51 | johnx | apt-cache depends foo; "foo depends on bar >1.0" and apt-cache policy bar "bar .9 will be installed" |
| 07:34.10 | Macer | johnx: i didn't... wikipedia did haha |
| 07:34.14 | johnx | you can also make it spit out a graphviz (sp?) compatible dependency chart |
| 07:34.18 | Macer | if you believe wikipedia |
| 07:34.47 | johnx | Macer, it sounds right from a high school physics perspective :) |
| 07:34.51 | timeless | oh |
| 07:35.00 | timeless | ham has a conflicts and replaces for hun |
| 07:35.02 | Macer | i happened to be reading the arctic fox article and got to reproduction where a female arctic fox had a penis and laid eggs within a male which carried the pups to term |
| 07:35.42 | johnx | and that doesn't line up with my high school biology class...soooo |
| 07:36.06 | Macer | heh |
| 07:36.10 | gomiam | Macer: say what? |
| 07:36.26 | Macer | yes. i never heard of mammal females laying eggs in males with a penis |
| 07:36.27 | Macer | :) |
| 07:36.30 | qwerty12_N800 | wonders how many people doing homework on the fox copied that :) |
| 07:36.38 | Macer | qwerty12_N800: hahaha |
| 07:36.39 | johnx | is out of here |
| 07:36.41 | gomiam | Macer: URL? |
| 07:36.50 | Macer | gomiam: it has since been fixed |
| 07:37.09 | gomiam | Macer: so... it's not an issue any more? |
| 07:37.29 | Macer | but honestly. they would have had me if a light bulb didn't go off in my head saying "What the fuck??" |
| 07:37.39 | Macer | "No way!" |
| 07:38.28 | Macer | but that just proved that wikipedia is not what i would consider a solid source of information :) |
| 07:38.32 | qwerty12_N800 | But it could have been a transexual artic fox! |
| 07:38.51 | Macer | qwerty12_N800: yes . i suppose a natural mutation might create such a thing ;) |
| 07:39.02 | Macer | the chernobyl arctic fox |
| 07:39.16 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe |
| 07:39.28 | Macer | chernobyl might be too far south ;) |
| 07:39.31 | gomiam | qwerty12_N800: even worse, it could have been a transfoxy artic sex :P |
| 07:39.49 | qwerty12_N800 | lol :D |
| 07:39.52 | Macer | or just a homosexual fox saying it's normal |
| 07:40.07 | Macer | thus giving proof that homosexual sex happens more often than people realize in nature |
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| 07:41.40 | timeless | wonders what ddxSigGiveUp is |
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| 07:46.07 | timeless | :( |
| 07:46.20 | timeless | is there a safe mode for hildon-desktop ? :) |
| 07:47.30 | qwerty12_N800 | safe mode in hildon-desktop terms means disabling non nokia applets when h-d crashes |
| 07:48.02 | timeless | well, right now startx shows the background image |
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| 07:48.14 | timeless | when it tries to build the task navigator, x quits |
| 07:50.41 | timeless | ok, so my problem is either a taskbar or a statusbar thing |
| 07:51.23 | qwerty12 | Judging from your earlier problems with the menu, I'd bank on a file in ~ somewhere being corrupt |
| 07:51.39 | timeless | ponders |
| 07:51.48 | timeless | so, at this point i have most of diablo |
| 07:52.00 | timeless | i'm still missing rss feed reader |
| 07:52.22 | timeless | oh, right |
| 07:52.28 | timeless | how do i get a mouse cursor? :) |
| 07:52.33 | timeless | diablo ate mine :) |
| 07:53.31 | qwerty12 | In maemo, you edit /home/user/.icons/default/index.theme as root and comment the inherits line & reboot |
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| 07:53.43 | Stskeeps | morning |
| 07:53.50 | qwerty12 | morning Stskeeps |
| 07:55.01 | timeless | what the heck? |
| 07:55.12 | timeless | ~/.icon is a symlink to /usr/share/user-icons |
| 07:55.12 | infobot | okay, timeless |
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| 07:55.22 | qwerty12 | ~/.icon |
| 07:55.23 | infobot | well, /.icon is a symlink to /usr/share/user-icons |
| 07:55.26 | qwerty12 | haha |
| 07:55.29 | timeless | infobot forget /.icon |
| 07:55.29 | infobot | i forgot /.icon, timeless |
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| 07:59.23 | timeless | hrm |
| 07:59.25 | timeless | frowns |
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| 07:59.51 | timeless | qwerty: have you tried a recent version of my strings? |
| 08:00.03 | timeless | in Mer, I'm seeing 'Global Positioning Systen" |
| 08:00.06 | timeless | which is unfortunate |
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| 08:01.22 | qwerty12 | timeless, I don't think I've seen any updates for a while, but yes, in hildon-control-panel; I'm seeing "Global Positioning System" |
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| 08:01.56 | timeless | i haven't pushed to extras-devel yet |
| 08:02.39 | qwerty12 | woot, hildon-theme-selector works! I'll work on that control panel applet when I get back from school :) |
| 08:03.22 | qwerty12 | timeless, ah. Same zip? :) |
| 08:03.31 | timeless | yep |
| 08:03.34 | timeless | ok, so um |
| 08:03.48 | timeless | one of my hildon-desktop thingies kills hildon-desktop |
| 08:04.23 | Stskeeps | so it goes |
| 08:04.29 | Stskeeps | needs coffee. |
| 08:04.30 | qwerty12 | You can look at the config files in ~/.osso/hildon-desktop and see what's loaded |
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| 08:05.07 | timeless | ok, feed-reader kills my desktop |
| 08:05.12 | timeless | oops :) |
| 08:05.23 | Stskeeps | the h-d applet cirus is a bit of a farce anyway.. why do they run within HD anyway and not some launcher |
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| 08:05.34 | timeless | oh, i can answer that :) |
| 08:05.43 | timeless | for the 770, they were worried about memory |
| 08:05.53 | timeless | so they did everything they could to avoid spending memory |
| 08:06.08 | timeless | so instead of giving each applet/statusbar item its own process |
| 08:06.13 | Stskeeps | yeah, but why not maemo-launcher instead? :P |
| 08:06.18 | timeless | they designed it so they'd share a single gtk instance |
| 08:06.23 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 08:06.50 | timeless | that 'design' element predates me |
| 08:07.08 | qwerty12 | has the feeling that this will be one thing not "Fixed in Fremantle" |
| 08:07.26 | timeless | i personally liked how a third party applet could brick your device |
| 08:07.38 | mavhc | needs a safemode |
| 08:07.47 | timeless | asked for one |
| 08:08.39 | qwerty12 | It technically has one although it's annoying |
| 08:08.41 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: HD would be replaced ss |
| 08:08.42 | Stskeeps | o |
| 08:09.05 | qwerty12 | Just hope they're not as lazy this time :) |
| 08:09.47 | timeless | gah |
| 08:09.56 | timeless | iradio also kills my desktop |
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| 08:11.09 | johnx | can we can a statusbar applet called 'brick'? |
| 08:11.17 | timeless | ok, so i can't use any of the nokia applets |
| 08:14.31 | timeless | wonders how they broke |
| 08:14.39 | Stskeeps | ten bucks on /home/user reliance |
| 08:14.44 | timeless | nope |
| 08:14.52 | timeless | /home/user is a symlink to /home/timeless |
| 08:15.02 | timeless | so if they manage to care about that... |
| 08:17.25 | RST38h | ehlo all |
| 08:17.39 | timeless | um |
| 08:17.46 | timeless | advanced-backlight killed my x |
| 08:18.19 | timeless | ouch |
| 08:18.50 | Stskeeps | on vmdk, yes |
| 08:19.02 | timeless | yeah, is someone going to fix that? |
| 08:19.18 | Stskeeps | not yet, we're waiting for a proper cross platform brightness thing :P |
| 08:19.43 | timeless | is it that hard not to kill x? |
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| 08:21.46 | johnx | technically the bug would be in X, right? |
| 08:21.54 | timeless | doubtful |
| 08:22.03 | johnx | X crashed |
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| 08:22.09 | timeless | i don't have anything in /var/cores |
| 08:22.17 | timeless | so i suspect it's more that hildon-desktop killed itself |
| 08:22.18 | johnx | if I make a web page that crashes your browser, where is the bug? |
| 08:22.27 | johnx | ah, you're right then |
| 08:22.37 | timeless | although what bothers me is that i don't seem to get a core for that either |
| 08:22.49 | timeless | oh brother |
| 08:22.57 | timeless | how do i change ulimit -c from a boot hting? |
| 08:23.07 | RST38h | johnx: if you fuck with the display driver directly, dont blame x |
| 08:23.37 | RST38h | johnx: and if i remember corectly that is what rotation patch does, right? |
| 08:24.13 | timeless | ok, i think i need to fix /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 08:24.16 | johnx | RST38h, nope, as timeless pointed out it's adv backlight crashing hildon-desktop |
| 08:24.52 | timeless | reboots |
| 08:24.54 | johnx | my point above about X was more general-case, than specific to this |
| 08:24.57 | timeless | technically i have no idea what's crashing |
| 08:25.05 | timeless | because the system wasn't saving cores |
| 08:25.14 | timeless | reboots and tries to crash something |
| 08:25.14 | johnx | I'm pretty sure you're right that it's h-d |
| 08:25.23 | Stskeeps | h-d shuts down cos of A-B dsme communication probably |
| 08:25.55 | timeless | hrm, /etc/osso-af-init/eal-af-services |
| 08:26.00 | RST38h | johnx: if its hildon desktop then its a different thing |
| 08:26.36 | timeless | s/eal/real/ |
| 08:26.39 | RST38h | johnx: hildon desktop plugin apis are hghly unreliable judging from how unstable many applets are |
| 08:26.52 | johnx | and how applets crash h-d so easily |
| 08:27.07 | RST38h | yep |
| 08:27.47 | timeless | so... |
| 08:28.02 | timeless | is changing /etc/security/limits.conf supposed to work? |
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| 08:28.10 | timeless | because i put in: |
| 08:28.15 | timeless | * soft core 100000 |
| 08:28.26 | timeless | and ulimit -a still shows 0 |
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| 08:35.36 | StsN800 | heh, the clock in the bus is showing 09:99 |
| 08:35.55 | johnx | the end times are nigh! |
| 08:36.25 | StsN800 | 09 part is correct:P |
| 08:37.04 | rzr | hi, about multitouch , where do this go ? http://www.newlc.com/en/multitouch-feature-any-screen#comment-50240 |
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| 08:38.04 | StsN800 | morning wazd |
| 08:45.46 | wazd | morning all) |
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| 09:27.05 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 09:27.59 | Myrtti | indeed |
| 09:28.45 | timeless | hi jaffa |
| 09:28.58 | timeless | is trying to get ulimit -c unlimited to cooperate |
| 09:29.12 | timeless | it's being mean to me |
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| 09:40.53 | timeless | sighs |
| 09:42.33 | timeless | anyone have advice on where to set ulimit -c unlimited? |
| 09:42.44 | timeless | /etc/security/limits.conf seems to be ignoring me |
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| 09:47.44 | timeless | sighs |
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| 09:55.50 | timeless | grows more dummies |
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| 10:05.41 | timeless | what does: |
| 10:05.54 | timeless | No apport report written because MaxReports is reached already |
| 10:05.55 | timeless | mean? |
| 10:08.21 | darkblue_B | well I did grab a copy of mer 0.7 and ran it with VirtualBox... |
| 10:08.43 | darkblue_B | there is no python as far as I couls see |
| 10:09.12 | darkblue_B | python-hildon is what I'd be using to build apps |
| 10:09.26 | Jucato | timeless: all I know is that apport is Ubuntu's crash handler/reporter... |
| 10:11.15 | timeless | is confused |
| 10:11.20 | timeless | dpkg -l *apport* |
| 10:11.28 | timeless | No packages foudn matching *apport*. |
| 10:11.35 | timeless | dpkg -l dpkg |
| 10:11.43 | timeless | ii dpkg 1.14.24ubuntu1 |
| 10:11.50 | timeless | (typos mine) |
| 10:12.02 | timeless | why would it complain about apport if i don't have it installed? |
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| 10:15.30 | timeless | heh |
| 10:15.44 | timeless | has both xkb-data and xkbdata installed |
| 10:16.24 | aquatix | and xkbdata-data? |
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| 10:26.23 | guysoft42 | hey all, does anyone know where i can get the source of almost ti-85? |
| 10:26.30 | guysoft42 | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/ati85/ |
| 10:27.01 | GeneralAntilles | guysoft42, it's clearly marked non-free. |
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| 10:28.09 | johnx | you could probably work out buying a license to the source code if you were interested |
| 10:28.45 | guysoft42 | GeneralAntilles, how come its non-free? did marat buy a license? |
| 10:28.57 | RST38h | I will release the source code once it is semicomplete |
| 10:29.16 | RST38h | It has no direct commercial value |
| 10:29.36 | guysoft42 | Ah hi, RST38h ... i thought it didn't you stated so.. |
| 10:30.25 | guysoft42 | RST38h, i was going to blog about it.. i really liked it after figuring out its impossible to get graphical calculators in my country, as far as i searched |
| 10:31.41 | RST38h | guysoft42: is there some religious taboo against graphing calcs? =) |
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| 10:32.34 | guysoft42 | RST38h, well it seems the demand went down.. and so did the import.. so it seems only my fellow students that have one got it eons ago |
| 10:32.59 | johnx | craziness |
| 10:33.24 | GeneralAntilles | I've seen graphing calculators in grocery stores around here. |
| 10:34.10 | guysoft42 | GeneralAntilles, i looked on various places.. i have this feeling some electronics store has one somewhere |
| 10:34.48 | RST38h | General: US schools require them |
| 10:35.01 | RST38h | General: No such requirement in most countries afaik |
| 10:35.40 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, oh? Interesting. |
| 10:35.41 | johnx | I'm sure it's just one of the programs on the electronic dictionaries here |
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| 10:37.27 | RST38h | General: Soviets provided calculators to schools in the 80s but that was mostly MK-18M (http://www.taswegian.com/MOSCOW/mk-18m.html) - a really simple calc |
| 10:38.09 | johnx | eh. kids have cellphones now |
| 10:38.24 | GeneralAntilles | TI must make a killing off the 83/84s |
| 10:38.30 | RST38h | johnx: Those suck as calcs, unless you install my SlideRule app that is =) |
| 10:38.38 | RST38h | General: Oh, it does. |
| 10:38.41 | GeneralAntilles | Practically every middle schooler in American has one. |
| 10:38.55 | GeneralAntilles | They charge upwards of $100 a pop |
| 10:38.57 | RST38h | And I am pretty sure it was TI who lobbied the calcs requirement in schools |
| 10:39.03 | GeneralAntilles | I can't imagine how cheap they are to produce. |
| 10:39.18 | johnx | RST38h, that's what I mean though. everyone's carrying a freaking ARM7 around. they just need the software for it... |
| 10:39.31 | GeneralAntilles | and the hardkeys |
| 10:39.33 | Jaffa | has *never* owned a graphicing calculator; did have a high-end non-graphic one, though |
| 10:39.50 | RST38h | johnx: There was an article on EE Times recently about how your average PC has 3-4 ARMs and a single x86 =) |
| 10:39.54 | GeneralAntilles | Quick access to all of the functions is important. |
| 10:39.59 | GeneralAntilles | and a cellphone doesn't offer that. |
| 10:40.24 | RST38h | General: It does, when running SlideRule :) |
| 10:40.49 | RST38h | General: It is not really that difficult when you think about it: the phone has got two softkeys that act as F-keys |
| 10:41.12 | johnx | RST38h, I just find it amusing that people are carrying around more computing power than your average 1990s desktop and not using it for anything but making phone calls |
| 10:41.22 | RST38h | General: So you have got arithmetics on d-pad (including =), 10 digits and 2 more quick keys |
| 10:41.28 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe I'm just old and curmudgeonly, but I lik the feel of a TI graphing calculator in my hands. |
| 10:41.33 | RST38h | General: And 2x12 functions |
| 10:41.46 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, worse, mostly just using it to send tiny bits of text. |
| 10:41.53 | RST38h | General: Oh, the FEEL can't be emulated of course :) |
| 10:42.08 | RST38h | Although most real connosieurs prefer HP48 series |
| 10:42.10 | GeneralAntilles | hugs his TI-89ti |
| 10:42.18 | GeneralAntilles | Before my time. |
| 10:42.39 | johnx | liked his TI-83+. first place he really started programming |
| 10:43.20 | GeneralAntilles | I remember replacing all of the monster name strings with names of the teachers in a DnD type game in middle school on mine. |
| 10:43.37 | johnx | though I remember RST38h's story about programming on some prehistoric Soviet era calc... |
| 10:43.42 | RST38h | would hug Iskra-555 but 1) it was the size of a desk and 2) it is extinct |
| 10:43.56 | RST38h | johnx: You mean MK-61/MK-52? |
| 10:44.06 | RST38h | johnx: People even wrote games for these |
| 10:44.47 | GeneralAntilles | Classic: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=263690 |
| 10:45.13 | RST38h | johnx: Then there is the 16bit PDP11-compatible Soviet palmtop ;) |
| 10:45.22 | GeneralAntilles | That is really the stumbling block Nokia's going to have to figure out to get any sort of mass-market appeal with devices like these. |
| 10:46.00 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, lol. had the opposite reaction here, showing off the browser to people used to surfing on their cellphone |
| 10:46.05 | RST38h | johnx: which was actually mass produced |
| 10:46.46 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, nobody does that here. |
| 10:47.08 | johnx | RST38h, must have seemed such a luxury to have a PDP11 in the palm of your hand |
| 10:47.18 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, well, maybe Nokia should look at other markets... |
| 10:47.27 | RST38h | General: It is already a stumbling block, if you remember how Atom is positioned as "the real desktop web experience" |
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| 10:47.55 | RST38h | johnx: In fact, it looked, felt, and worked like a Casio FX720-like calculator |
| 10:48.07 | RST38h | johnx: I have found the whole story only recently |
| 10:48.11 | Myrtti | TI85 ⥠4evah |
| 10:48.12 | _BuBU | Hi there |
| 10:48.27 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, what do you think it's gonna be like looking back on these beasts in 15 or 20 years? |
| 10:48.38 | RST38h | johnx: Angstrem engineers were told to copy Casio FX720. They opened it up and found a custom 4bit IC inside |
| 10:49.05 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, the next big challenge seems to be 'how small can we make this while maintaining a usable device?" |
| 10:49.16 | RST38h | johnx: They could not copy the IC, but had recently developed embedded IC series based on the PDP11 CPU architecture |
| 10:49.19 | _BuBU | don't know if I'm on the right place.. but would like to port Maemo mer onto Archos A605 which is ARMv5te but without fpu |
| 10:49.38 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, then we'll get chips implanted in the back of our skulls and it wont matter anymore. ;) |
| 10:49.40 | johnx | _BuBU, ah! sounds great! |
| 10:49.45 | guysoft42 | RST38h, sorry, phone.. well here we can only use normal one for tests |
| 10:49.51 | johnx | _BuBU, what distro do you have on it right now? |
| 10:49.56 | _BuBU | so my question where to get latest svn for mer |
| 10:49.58 | RST38h | johnx: So they used THAT. It was, BTW, pretty advanced for those times, even compared to Western ICs |
| 10:50.04 | _BuBU | custom distro |
| 10:50.16 | _BuBU | based on pdaXrom |
| 10:50.26 | johnx | can you use altboot? |
| 10:50.27 | _BuBU | no xorg yet.. |
| 10:50.41 | johnx | ah, xfbdev works, right? |
| 10:50.45 | _BuBU | I can have my own kernel/modules |
| 10:50.50 | _BuBU | yes |
| 10:51.04 | _BuBU | I ported qtopia on it longtime ago |
| 10:51.19 | johnx | hmm |
| 10:51.39 | johnx | and do you have some sort of USB networking or USB host mode? |
| 10:51.45 | _BuBU | yes |
| 10:51.53 | Stskeeps | internal flash or sd? |
| 10:52.02 | _BuBU | I back ported usbnet from 2.6.20 to 2.6.10 |
| 10:52.09 | _BuBU | harddrive |
| 10:52.13 | _BuBU | 30G |
| 10:52.58 | Stskeeps | sounds portable to |
| 10:53.04 | guysoft42 | RST38h, you think your code would be compilable for x86 when it comes out? i was hoping to include that |
| 10:53.06 | RST38h | guysoft42: http://www.mnd.co.il/site/detail/detail/detailDetail.asp?detail_id=432275 |
| 10:53.20 | RST38h | guysoft42: it will, mostly |
| 10:53.32 | _BuBU | the only thing ATM is that I'm stuck with the 2.6.10 kernel as there is specific stuff for TI (davinci) hardware |
| 10:53.44 | RST38h | guysoft42: But you can probably just run VTI on PC |
| 10:53.59 | johnx | is 2.6.10 capable of running EABI binaries? |
| 10:54.15 | _BuBU | I've to check |
| 10:54.18 | Stskeeps | _BuBU: sure? though i saw more up to date davinci stuff |
| 10:54.38 | _BuBU | yes I know there is thing for 2.6.28 now |
| 10:54.44 | _BuBU | but did not tried actually |
| 10:55.36 | Stskeeps | does debian-armel port? |
| 10:55.45 | timeless | sts? |
| 10:55.47 | timeless | i'm stuck |
| 10:55.53 | timeless | x11 isn't staying open |
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| 10:56.04 | timeless | and i haven't managed to get ulimit -c unlimited into some useful place |
| 10:56.11 | timeless | any suggestion for a script to use to host that command? |
| 10:56.34 | _BuBU | Stskeeps: with softfloat probably yes |
| 10:56.52 | johnx | hmm |
| 10:57.32 | johnx | I'm pretty sure 2.6.16 or .17 was the first with EABI support from upstream. Right now, you could use all our binaries unmodified if you were able to run EABI |
| 10:57.36 | _BuBU | as my toolchain is built using: --with-arch=${DEFAULT_CPU-armv5te} --with-float=soft --with-fpu=vfp |
| 10:58.15 | _BuBU | johnx: I think I tried and got illegal instruction |
| 10:58.32 | _BuBU | probably because of no fpu right ? |
| 10:58.43 | johnx | EABI binaries for ubuntu and debian are softfloat |
| 10:58.44 | Stskeeps | no fpu is fine |
| 10:58.49 | johnx | testing right here on a zaurus :) |
| 10:58.54 | Stskeeps | we dont even have vfp on 770 |
| 10:59.12 | johnx | yeah, arm EABI support started in 2.6.16 |
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| 10:59.34 | johnx | you could rebuild our packages on debian 'arm' but that might take a while |
| 10:59.52 | _BuBU | I have time for it :) |
| 11:00.08 | _BuBU | at least I will take time.. |
| 11:00.11 | johnx | well. if you have that much time you're probably much better off getting 2.6.28 running :) |
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| 11:01.26 | johnx | Stskeeps, how did recompiling on debian for armv4t go? |
| 11:01.54 | _BuBU | kernel should be more painfull I think... as it is quite hard on the archos... I've no JTAG... so not so easy.. |
| 11:02.19 | johnx | you can't boot from kexec? |
| 11:02.25 | _BuBU | no |
| 11:03.08 | _BuBU | I've already bricked 2 a605 :( |
| 11:03.12 | johnx | O_o |
| 11:03.14 | johnx | eep |
| 11:03.20 | RST38h | Serior Archos deflorator |
| 11:03.27 | RST38h | Serial, sorry |
| 11:03.44 | _BuBU | :) |
| 11:04.53 | timeless | johnx: help? |
| 11:05.05 | timeless | i want to set the core file size limit to unlimited |
| 11:05.09 | timeless | and mer isn't cooperating |
| 11:05.45 | timeless | grep core /etc/security/limits.conf |grep -v ^# |
| 11:05.50 | timeless | * soft core unlimited |
| 11:05.51 | timeless | -- |
| 11:05.53 | _BuBU | johnx: so what is the latest svn for mer ? |
| 11:06.02 | timeless | when i log in (console), i get ulimit -a: |
| 11:06.08 | timeless | core file size (blocks, -c) 0 |
| 11:06.09 | johnx | _BuBU, from launchpad |
| 11:07.23 | _BuBU | is there any instructions on building it ? |
| 11:07.45 | johnx | it's just packages that sit on top of ubuntu jaunty arm EABI port |
| 11:08.02 | johnx | uhm, for rebuilding we have a builder and the builder scripts are available too |
| 11:08.21 | johnx | let me round up links to our launchpad projects and our repo...one sec |
| 11:08.38 | _BuBU | ok thx |
| 11:09.24 | johnx | https://code.launchpad.net/~mer-committers https://code.launchpad.net/~carsten-munk/ <- Stskeeps https://code.launchpad.net/~johnxx <- me |
| 11:09.43 | johnx | and our repo is here: http://repository.mer.tspre.org/ |
| 11:10.31 | _BuBU | ok thx a lot |
| 11:10.31 | timeless | wonders where the theme select script is |
| 11:10.37 | johnx | now, these packages could probably also sit on top of debian OABI (ie, pre-2.6.16), but they might need some tweaks in some cases |
| 11:10.56 | johnx | timeless, I don't know anything about core dumps that can't be found on google. sorry. |
| 11:11.11 | timeless | this is more of a question of boot sequence |
| 11:11.18 | timeless | i've googled, and i've set the right file |
| 11:11.27 | timeless | but i can't tell if it's being honored/ignored |
| 11:11.31 | timeless | because it isn't set |
| 11:11.42 | johnx | ah, well if you can set it directly with ulimit it should be fine |
| 11:11.45 | timeless | and i did a grep -r on the fs (gave up eventually, /dev is too big) |
| 11:11.45 | johnx | is that working at least? |
| 11:12.07 | timeless | yeah, that works |
| 11:12.44 | timeless | and kill -4 caused my dump to go where it belonged |
| 11:13.14 | johnx | so maybe a problem of h-d not crashing the right way to generate a core dump? |
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| 11:13.39 | timeless | possibly |
| 11:13.41 | guysoft42 | back |
| 11:13.54 | timeless | Xorg's log only has ddxSigGiveUp |
| 11:13.57 | guysoft42 | RST38h, VTI? is that the emulator you wrote? but doesn't it need a rom? |
| 11:14.06 | timeless | no sign of it crashing (and i do have crashes for it) |
| 11:14.24 | Stskeeps | timeless: probably h-d exiting then |
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| 11:14.36 | timeless | is there a log file i could get for that? |
| 11:14.51 | johnx | maybe something in .xsession-errors |
| 11:15.08 | johnx | or tweak /usr/bin/start-hildon to strace h-d? |
| 11:15.20 | timeless | .xsession-errors has some stuff |
| 11:15.35 | timeless | hildon-desktop[2733]: GLIB ERROR ** advanced-backlight - couldn't connect to dsme |
| 11:15.37 | timeless | aborting.... |
| 11:15.55 | timeless | maemo-launcher: invoking '/usr/bin/hildon-desktop.launch' |
| 11:15.58 | timeless | number= None |
| 11:16.03 | timeless | url: http://xkcd.com/ |
| 11:16.04 | timeless | Aborted |
| 11:16.50 | guysoft42 | RST38h, nice that you found it on that website .. still ill have to think about it... its 200$ ovethere.... and strangely they have no phone. only a webstore |
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| 11:16.52 | johnx | i'd look at adv backlight then |
| 11:19.26 | timeless | turning off advanced-backlight means i get a desktop again |
| 11:20.08 | johnx | I'm guessing there is some code like this: if we can't connect to dsme, then exit |
| 11:20.18 | timeless | probably |
| 11:20.41 | johnx | and that ends up with h-d exiting instead of crashing |
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| 11:21.03 | timeless | loads http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/source/adv-backlight/trunk/adv-backlight/ |
| 11:21.12 | johnx | hey rm_you. got a question for you :) |
| 11:21.21 | timeless | is there an api to turn off a status bar item? |
| 11:21.48 | timeless | http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/source/adv-backlight/trunk/adv-backlight/advanced-backlight.c#1313 |
| 11:21.52 | timeless | well, that's clever |
| 11:21.57 | timeless | 1312 close(dsmesock); |
| 11:21.58 | timeless | 1313 g_error("couldn't connect to dsme"); |
| 11:22.01 | timeless | 1319 send(dsmesock, (void *) &message, sizeof(message), 0); |
| 11:22.13 | timeless | looks more like a crash than an abort |
| 11:22.27 | timeless | i presume g_error doesn't return |
| 11:22.49 | timeless | asks mxr/diablo |
| 11:22.55 | Stskeeps | _BuBU: got a page with archos 605 porting efforts? |
| 11:23.17 | timeless | yep |
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| 11:23.43 | _BuBU | Stskeeps: http://www.openpma.org but nothing yet for maemo ! |
| 11:23.44 | timeless | is watching old black and white finnish tv |
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| 11:25.11 | _BuBU | down ATM |
| 11:29.45 | timeless | grumbles |
| 11:29.46 | _BuBU | johnx: just in case I go for the new kernel with eabi support... where I get the latest Mer rootfs ? |
| 11:29.49 | timeless | sts/johnx: so... |
| 11:29.56 | timeless | i have *two* processes which have ulimit 0 |
| 11:30.01 | timeless | hildon-desktop and hildon-input-method |
| 11:30.06 | timeless | everything else has unlimited |
| 11:30.11 | timeless | (at least running as my user) |
| 11:30.27 | timeless | hrm, nope |
| 11:30.35 | timeless | because if i run something, it gets 0'd too |
| 11:31.03 | timeless | i added ulimit -c unlimited to /etc/init.d/auto-startx before the su line |
| 11:31.13 | johnx | _BuBU, there's an FS image for the n8x0 here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.7 |
| 11:31.53 | _BuBU | which work for armel/armv5te softfloat ? |
| 11:32.17 | Stskeeps | _BuBU: if you do get an eabi kernel running i'll gladly bootstrap you an image |
| 11:32.19 | johnx | but really once you can run EABI binaries I would do it this way: debootstrap ubuntu jaunty onto it, then install any hardware specific stuff you need |
| 11:32.25 | johnx | then install mer packages on that |
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| 11:32.46 | johnx | _BuBU, debian targets armv4t and ubuntu targets armv5te right now |
| 11:32.56 | johnx | softfloat, no vfp |
| 11:33.13 | _BuBU | ok thx will let u know.. :) |
| 11:33.13 | Woolly-work | does anyone know if it's possible to start modest from the terminal with a new email open? |
| 11:33.17 | _BuBU | thx for your help |
| 11:33.26 | johnx | _BuBU, keep us updated :D |
| 11:33.33 | _BuBU | no problems.. |
| 11:33.41 | johnx | quite curious about this project of yours... |
| 11:34.14 | _BuBU | if I succed that will be a quite good device for Maemo :) |
| 11:34.22 | timeless | woolly-work: http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/modest-1.0-2008.23/ |
| 11:34.25 | timeless | the source is open |
| 11:34.54 | timeless | http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/modest-1.0-2008.23/libmodest-dbus-client/libmodest-dbus-client.c |
| 11:35.01 | timeless | seems like libmodest_dbus_client_open_message |
| 11:35.05 | timeless | would be fairly promising |
| 11:36.26 | timeless | grumbles |
| 11:36.49 | Woolly-work | that does look promising, but unfortunately, I'm not that good with C :( |
| 11:36.55 | Stskeeps | _BuBU: sure looks like it |
| 11:36.57 | Woolly-work | thanks though, i'll have a dig |
| 11:37.13 | timeless | woolly-work: presumably that's a binary you can run |
| 11:37.21 | timeless | and it looks like it's just using dbus |
| 11:37.27 | timeless | so you could pull out the relevant bits |
| 11:37.51 | GeneralAntilles | Hum, should Mer be added to the OS field? |
| 11:38.03 | Woolly-work | i'll have a look at dbus-monitor too to see if I can pick anything up |
| 11:38.13 | timeless | gan: probably |
| 11:38.18 | timeless | i can do it if you want it there |
| 11:38.28 | timeless | we have fedora iirc |
| 11:39.01 | GeneralAntilles | Well, for https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4104 "Maemo" doesn't really make sense. |
| 11:39.16 | timeless | um |
| 11:39.23 | timeless | do you realize how much of diablo i'm using? |
| 11:40.04 | timeless | it's more an issue of Hardware: x86 |
| 11:40.05 | GeneralAntilles | When you toss "core" Maemo stuff out the window like DSME though. . . . |
| 11:40.08 | timeless | than OS: Maemo |
| 11:40.33 | _BuBU | what is the best device ATM for Maemo Mer ? |
| 11:40.34 | timeless | dpkg -l dsme |
| 11:40.43 | timeless | ii dsme 0.57.13 Device State Management Entity |
| 11:40.47 | timeless | it claims to be there :) |
| 11:40.57 | johnx | _BuBU, an n810 or n800 I think |
| 11:41.07 | timeless | given the number of digits in the version, you can assume it isn't a package i made :) |
| 11:41.08 | _BuBU | ok thx |
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| 11:41.13 | johnx | _BuBU, once the keyboard stuff gets cleaned up in the n810 it will be really nice to use |
| 11:41.29 | johnx | but for now the dual SDHC slots on the n800 are a great feature |
| 11:41.44 | Stskeeps | _BuBU: we also have vmware images |
| 11:42.00 | _BuBU | Stskeeps: ype already tested that :) |
| 11:42.03 | Stskeeps | timeless: dsme livws in initfs |
| 11:42.04 | johnx | also, hildon-desktop and hildonized apps (especially browsers) are a lot happier with 128MB of RAM |
| 11:42.05 | Jaffa | Works nicely in both VMware and VirtualBox :-) |
| 11:42.20 | Jaffa | And a chroot (good for sharing bzr dirs with a nicer dev env) |
| 11:42.36 | timeless | stskeeps: well, gan was complaining i didn't have dsme installed |
| 11:42.38 | timeless | but i do :) |
| 11:42.42 | _BuBU | johnx: the archos 605 is 128M ram :) |
| 11:42.47 | timeless | that it doesn't work usefully on x86 isn't my fault :) |
| 11:42.53 | johnx | ah, and 800x480, right? |
| 11:43.03 | _BuBU | yes |
| 11:43.09 | johnx | really too bad about archos' not being too friendly |
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| 11:43.24 | Jaffa | lo khertan! |
| 11:43.30 | _BuBU | I've good contacts there :D |
| 11:43.33 | timeless | oh brother |
| 11:43.35 | Jaffa | is getting excited about the 2009 summit now |
| 11:43.35 | timeless | is late |
| 11:43.46 | johnx | _BuBU, get them to get you a newer kernel :> |
| 11:44.11 | _BuBU | they are busy at gen7 :) |
| 11:44.31 | _BuBU | with android port |
| 11:44.45 | johnx | and Nokia is busy with the next gen device, but they still gave us a newer open source wifi driver... |
| 11:45.19 | _BuBU | nokia is bigger.. |
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| 11:45.54 | _BuBU | I will visit Archos headquarter next monday :) |
| 11:46.09 | Myrtti | good for you |
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| 11:46.38 | johnx | all I care about is how they treat me as a customer, if they want my money they need to be at least a little friendly to me :) I don't care how big they are... |
| 11:47.02 | _BuBU | johnx: indeed |
| 11:47.17 | _BuBU | johnx: they are french u know :) |
| 11:47.21 | timelE61i | how's our driving? |
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| 11:47.28 | _BuBU | is also french :) |
| 11:47.52 | johnx | but getting a newer kernel will really make things a lot easier for you. if you want to soldier on with 2,6.10 then the first step is to debootstrap debian 'arm' (OABI) onto your device |
| 11:48.02 | johnx | should be able to do that from inside pdaxrom with a bit of tweaking |
| 11:48.36 | johnx | or do the first stage on a desktop, then rsync the directory over, and chroot in from pdaxrom and do second stage and setup on your archos |
| 11:48.48 | _BuBU | johnx: from pdaxrom should be maybe easier as we already have most of thing.. |
| 11:49.16 | johnx | timelE61i, better than Sharp's, better than Archos' (it seems), better in some ways than Google/T-mo/HTC...but stands to improve... |
| 11:49.29 | _BuBU | pdaxrom-ng is coming.. :) |
| 11:49.41 | timelE61i | hey, i try :) |
| 11:49.54 | Stskeeps | _BuBU: what are the blockers for later kernels btw? |
| 11:50.05 | timelE61i | I suspect that of the hardware vendors we send more bugs upstream than most :) |
| 11:50.28 | timelE61i | We=andre__+me ;) |
| 11:50.28 | _BuBU | Stskeeps: don't know actyally... I did not checked.. |
| 11:50.48 | johnx | well, if you want to repackage all of Mer then go for it, but we have it nicely packaged for ubuntu (and that should translate to debian well) |
| 11:51.05 | johnx | what does pdax-ng use for a builder? native? OE? |
| 11:51.06 | andre__ | good citizens. ;-) |
| 11:51.12 | Stskeeps | _BuBU: and how do you install new kernels? |
| 11:51.41 | _BuBU | johnx: custom builder done by Sashz |
| 11:51.56 | johnx | what kind of source packages does it build from? |
| 11:52.04 | johnx | you use ipkg, right? |
| 11:52.21 | _BuBU | johnx: yep |
| 11:52.56 | _BuBU | this is closed to ptxdist |
| 11:53.14 | johnx | googles :) |
| 11:53.17 | _BuBU | but whole build system is only shell scripts |
| 11:53.59 | _BuBU | Stskeeps: for the kernel we have one file with some header and kernel+cpio embedded in it |
| 11:54.13 | _BuBU | and we flash |
| 11:54.18 | timelE61i | would you like some twine w/ that duct tape? |
| 11:54.26 | _BuBU | but we have no way back if we are doing mistake |
| 11:54.58 | johnx | timelE61i, heh...careful of where you stand while poking at other people's builders... |
| 11:55.08 | _BuBU | in some case we can boot kernel from harddrive but does not work in some circunstance.. |
| 11:55.42 | johnx | mainly I'm curious of what a typical source package looks like |
| 11:57.21 | Stskeeps | _BuBU: auch, harsh terms |
| 11:57.28 | guysoft42 | RST38h, posted about it here: http://www.zulo.org.il/blogs/guysoft/104/ .. is in hebrew.. but there is a picture too :) |
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| 11:58.01 | GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, I was mostly complaining about OSes. ;) |
| 11:58.59 | timelE61i | ? |
| 11:59.05 | RST38h | guysoft: cool =) |
| 11:59.15 | RST38h | really has to crate a website for this emulator |
| 11:59.30 | GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, I was addressing Mer vs Maemo (badly) and not anything about your install. |
| 12:00.23 | timelE61i | . |
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| 12:03.11 | Stskeeps | you know you're on nature science faculty when girls are browsing xkcd.. |
| 12:04.02 | johnx | eh, dunno. my wife usually gets to new xkcd comics before me |
| 12:04.04 | timelE61i | Heh |
| 12:04.18 | Stskeeps | _BuBU: and i guess there's no way to take out hd? |
| 12:04.44 | _BuBU | Stskeeps: no problem with the hd |
| 12:05.30 | Stskeeps | _BuBU: well i read it as aimage stored on hd or something |
| 12:06.04 | _BuBU | yep.. and in flash |
| 12:06.05 | Stskeeps | k |
| 12:06.12 | _BuBU | rootfs is read from the hd |
| 12:06.48 | Stskeeps | and you flash a new kernel how? |
| 12:06.49 | _BuBU | rootfs is a cramfs |
| 12:07.08 | _BuBU | with some command we have written (not me) |
| 12:07.44 | Stskeeps | k |
| 12:07.46 | johnx | if I understand correctly: kernel is normally in flash, but it's possible to load it from hard drive, but that doesn't always work. is that right? |
| 12:08.22 | _BuBU | in case the hd version can't be read this is the flash version which is used |
| 12:08.41 | johnx | ah |
| 12:09.53 | Stskeeps | any way to forcd it to ignore hd version? |
| 12:10.37 | _BuBU | hd version is always read first... and if error or something flash is read.. |
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| 12:11.42 | Stskeeps | im just trying to see if you can experiment with the hd flash and if the hd flash doesnt boot it reverts to flash |
| 12:12.51 | _BuBU | I can probably experiment but I'm not sure I will have a way to see errors |
| 12:14.03 | Stskeeps | well i just wonder if you csn sanely experiment with newer kernels without brivking:) |
| 12:14.07 | Stskeeps | bricking |
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| 12:14.35 | thopiekar | hello |
| 12:17.41 | Stskeeps | error messages can go on framebuffer console |
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| 12:31.34 | liri | is it possible to stream video/audio off of the N810 out to the network via vlc or something like that? |
| 12:32.14 | tank-man | yea |
| 12:32.20 | thopiekar | what about installing vlc and try it.. |
| 12:32.30 | Stskeeps | i did that on n800, through gst sender, vlc receiver |
| 12:32.34 | tank-man | i stream the video from the webcam to my desktop |
| 12:33.53 | RST38h | All right, the web page is now up: http://fms.komkon.org/ATI85/ |
| 12:34.51 | liri | possibly is this scenario camera streaming documented at wiki.maemo.org? |
| 12:35.02 | liri | tank-man: are you streaming it too via vlc? |
| 12:35.27 | tank-man | no, i installed some program that let me stream to a web browser |
| 12:36.06 | liri | tank-man: is there a link you can give me regarding it? |
| 12:36.48 | tank-man | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/gstmjpg |
| 12:37.58 | tank-man | better not find you in any girls locker rooms |
| 12:38.15 | liri | heh |
| 12:38.17 | liri | I wish |
| 12:38.24 | liri | the n810 is too big of a spy cam for that |
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| 12:38.44 | liri | I'm planing on using it as a video conf app/security cam at my apartment |
| 12:39.07 | Stskeeps | tank-man: who needs that in this age of pervasive amateur porn? :P |
| 12:39.43 | aquatix | HD amateur porn even |
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| 12:51.20 | Stskeeps | _BuBU: curious, where did you hear about Mer? |
| 12:51.57 | _BuBU | got a mail from fujitsu siemens Loox720 mailling list |
| 12:52.14 | _BuBU | where someone tried to port mer on loox 720 :) |
| 12:52.29 | Stskeeps | hehe, that was me |
| 12:52.32 | _BuBU | eheh kewl :) |
| 12:52.47 | _BuBU | so where is the port then ? |
| 12:52.52 | _BuBU | I've a loox 720 :) |
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| 12:53.08 | _BuBU | which is sleeping since years :) |
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| 12:59.46 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: will 0.8 release ship a Loox 720 image? |
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| 13:07.10 | liri | hd amateur porn... now that's the future |
| 13:07.14 | liri | and they say porn is dead |
| 13:09.01 | aquatix | hahahhahahahhahahahahhahahhahhaa |
| 13:09.03 | aquatix | *cough* |
| 13:09.12 | aquatix | who says? :) |
| 13:19.29 | RST38h | http://retr0bright.wikispaces.com/ |
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| 13:21.01 | jeremiah | Hello World! |
| 13:21.08 | jeremiah | Or should I say OHAI? |
| 13:22.09 | Jaffa | Hello jeremiah :-) |
| 13:22.26 | jeremiah | Hey Jaffa, how are you? |
| 13:22.36 | RST38h | RFC1869 says you should say EHLO |
| 13:22.43 | jeremiah | lulz |
| 13:22.52 | Jaffa | Bit meh, today. Migraine and work don't mix well. |
| 13:22.57 | jeremiah | EHLO LOCALHOST |
| 13:23.02 | Jaffa | Eager to see timsamoff's announcement now, though |
| 13:23.19 | jeremiah | Jaffa: Migraine and anything doesn't mix well. :-/ |
| 13:23.32 | jeremiah | Jaffa: should be coming across the wires soon. :) |
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| 13:23.59 | Jaffa | jeremiah: True, and once I've got the work which Absolutely Must Be Done Today done, I've got 1.5 hours on London Underground & train to get home to bed. |
| 13:24.20 | jeremiah | That just sucks. |
| 13:24.27 | jeremiah | Long day. :( |
| 13:24.33 | Jaffa | does the martyr thing well ;-) |
| 13:24.46 | jeremiah | But still, Migraines suck big time. |
| 13:25.29 | jeremiah | Jaffa: BTW, I had hoped to lay my hands on a newer N810 - how might I go about getting one? |
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| 13:25.43 | GeneralAntilles | Hi, jeremiah. :) |
| 13:25.48 | RST38h | The Vatican gave the Creationist lobby a left right sign of the cross today, announcing it would stage a conference on Darwinism next month and declaring that it was one of the Fathers of the Church that thought up the idea in the first place. |
| 13:25.50 | jeremiah | Hello GeneralAntilles! |
| 13:25.50 | RST38h | Eek. |
| 13:27.41 | Jaffa | jeremiah: Either email Tero and/or Quim, or one of us can do it on your behalf (say Tim ;-)) |
| 13:28.07 | jeremiah | I'll email Quim - I met him at FOSDEM |
| 13:30.56 | jeremiah | w00t - just sent an email tio Quim. |
| 13:32.26 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, when are you gonna start taking bets on how many more times David's gonna have to be prompted for a core dump before he coughs one up? ;) |
| 13:32.34 | andre__ | blah blah |
| 13:32.46 | andre__ | his problem :) |
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| 13:33.29 | andre__ | "my car is broken, won't give you more info cause it's your job, but please quickly and exactly tell me on phone how to fix it" |
| 13:33.36 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, I'm leaning towards RESOLVED SUBMITTERFAILSHARD |
| 13:34.21 | andre__ | resolved getathirdemailaccountandwastemytimeagain ? |
| 13:34.25 | GeneralAntilles | More like: "Fix it, you stupid incompetent idiots. Fix it! Fix it! Fix it!" |
| 13:34.58 | Jaffa | Bug #? |
| 13:35.07 | andre__ | 3967 |
| 13:35.20 | andre__ | it's the same guy i blocked with his other mail account |
| 13:35.23 | GeneralAntilles | I'm betting these are actually the aliases Quim files bugs under while drunk. :D |
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| 13:35.51 | johnx | has memories of working retail computer repair and actually having to *do something* about people like this... |
| 13:36.05 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, same guy: http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3683 |
| 13:36.12 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, ahaha :-D |
| 13:36.17 | GeneralAntilles | wishes jott would come back and deploy his bugbot. |
| 13:36.22 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, can I add a task to the Feb sprint, that isn't discussed in the Feb meting ? or this is a wrong procedure ? |
| 13:36.42 | GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, tasks are only added during the meetings. |
| 13:37.04 | GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, if you've got something you want to push see: http://wiki.maemo.org/How_to_push_a_maemo.org_task |
| 13:37.08 | jeremiah | tekojo: Here I am! :) |
| 13:37.40 | GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, depending on the scope, start with a wiki page then go from there. |
| 13:37.44 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, ok, its a task for me, not a problem, is about summer of code |
| 13:37.55 | GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, oh, well, just work on it then. ;) |
| 13:38.06 | GeneralAntilles | You don't need to commit anything to work on it. |
| 13:38.20 | VDVsx | :) |
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| 13:38.46 | GeneralAntilles | Personally, I'd like to see some student labor implement some need RSS reader improvements. ;) |
| 13:39.36 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, you are a student :) |
| 13:39.42 | johnx | VDVsx++ :D |
| 13:40.06 | GeneralAntilles | _Other_ student's labor. :P |
| 13:40.24 | GeneralAntilles | Besides, I'm Mr. Community Guy. |
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| 13:40.38 | GeneralAntilles | Would you really rather me spend my time doing something useful like _coding_? :P |
| 13:41.05 | johnx | is this a trick question? :> |
| 13:41.34 | aquatix | interestingly, it seemed he typed all that on his tablet |
| 13:42.05 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, ah nice, i'm getting more private hatemail by that guy :) |
| 13:42.09 | aquatix | speaking of modest, i guess there are no nightly builds of it anymore? |
| 13:42.19 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, well, he's consistent anyway. . . . |
| 13:42.32 | GeneralAntilles | aquatix, dunno about binaries, but the svn is up. . . . |
| 13:42.52 | andre__ | hehe |
| 13:42.53 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I didn't think it was up-to-date; another internal svn/git branch |
| 13:43.38 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: ah, k |
| 13:43.43 | Woolly-work | I'm writing a python application to start modest using an RPC to modests MailTo method. Is there anything I need to do after the rpc_run call? I get the loading banner with E-mail loading, but then nothing happens :( |
| 13:44.16 | aquatix | rather likes claws-mail on his tablet |
| 13:44.34 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, right, good point. |
| 13:44.38 | GeneralAntilles | Stupid Fremantle stuff. |
| 13:44.46 | RST38h | Woolly: you probably want to change from modest to something that works |
| 13:44.55 | Woolly-work | is modest pretty gash? |
| 13:44.56 | RST38h | aside from that, no comment |
| 13:45.21 | GeneralAntilles | Klapphead! Haha! New nickname. |
| 13:45.23 | VDVsx | Jaffa, can you send me the source of the 4 buttons used in the Mer page, or change the text in the buttons for me :) ? |
| 13:45.32 | VDVsx | I would like to use the buttons in the maemo summer of code page |
| 13:46.12 | Woolly-work | aquatix: do you know if something like what I'm trying to do is possible in claws-mail? |
| 13:46.13 | andre__ | wonders how a klapphead looks like |
| 13:46.37 | GeneralAntilles | ponders Photoshop. |
| 13:47.02 | Jaffa | VDVsx: I'll get Mrs Jaffa to turn on my home desktop and send you the inkscape file |
| 13:47.29 | VDVsx | Jaffa, ins't a rush |
| 13:47.43 | VDVsx | you can send me this later |
| 13:47.49 | Jaffa | VDVsx: Doing it now's not hard, and I'll forget or depriotise otherwise |
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| 13:48.36 | aquatix | Woolly-work: i think so |
| 13:48.51 | Woolly-work | awesome, I'll sift through the source code and see what I can find |
| 13:49.02 | aquatix | claws-mail --compose <address> |
| 13:49.06 | aquatix | :) |
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| 13:49.17 | Woolly-work | from command line? |
| 13:49.20 | aquatix | yep |
| 13:49.25 | Woolly-work | that's ideal :D thanks |
| 13:49.35 | aquatix | see claws-mail --help for more |
| 13:49.37 | aquatix | sure thing |
| 13:49.58 | Woolly-work | that's what I was trying to do with modest before, but couldn't figure out if it was possible :D |
| 13:50.09 | aquatix | not sure, maybe it is too |
| 13:50.16 | aquatix | but modest is damn slow on my imap account |
| 13:50.23 | aquatix | while claws works just fine |
| 13:50.25 | Woolly-work | modest --help would do nothing |
| 13:50.38 | aquatix | and i like how i can use claws-mail on desktop, laptop *and* tablet |
| 13:50.41 | aquatix | hm |
| 13:50.46 | Woolly-work | so I can just remove modest using apt-get remove modest |
| 13:51.03 | GeneralAntilles | Woolly-work, no. |
| 13:51.09 | GeneralAntilles | It's not worth it, anyway. |
| 13:51.12 | Woolly-work | alright |
| 13:51.19 | GeneralAntilles | If you want to remove the menu entry, just delete the .desktop. |
| 13:51.22 | Woolly-work | yep |
| 13:51.32 | Woolly-work | that'll do nicely :) |
| 13:51.51 | Woolly-work | instead of deleting the .desktop, would moving it out of the directory also work? |
| 13:51.58 | Woolly-work | in-case I need to move it back in one day |
| 13:52.59 | GeneralAntilles | Woolly-work, yeah, that'd work too. |
| 13:53.05 | Woolly-work | ace, cheers |
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| 13:53.12 | GeneralAntilles | Though you could just pull it out of the deb in the repo if it comes down to it. |
| 13:53.28 | Woolly-work | yeah that's also true |
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| 13:56.20 | Jaffa | VDVsx: http://www.flegg.org/~andrew/mer-buttons.svg |
| 13:56.32 | Jaffa | Open in Inkscape. Adjust to suit. |
| 13:57.01 | VDVsx | Jaffa, thanks |
| 14:00.06 | AndrewFBlack | hey Stskeeps you around |
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| 14:04.35 | AndrewFBlack | something is really strange I was looking at the log from last night right before I disconnected last time and it looks like I changed th topic of the channel to www.facebook.com I don't know if I did or how I did since I wasn't even on the computer when that happened. I know my cat is good but she isn't that good |
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| 14:05.02 | RST38h | Andrew: hackers. |
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| 14:05.23 | AndrewFBlack | really |
| 14:07.06 | liri | is /dev/video0 the video camera feed? |
| 14:07.18 | johnx | yes |
| 14:07.55 | liri | so once vlc is installed I can pull video from that and save it to a file and this way turn on video recording |
| 14:08.18 | johnx | maybe |
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| 14:08.50 | johnx | it sometimes spits out errors and apps that don't cope well with that tend not to behave well |
| 14:09.05 | RST38h | liri: NO, afaik |
| 14:09.06 | johnx | also, trying to grab video at too high a res may result in a watchdog reset |
| 14:09.24 | liri | why not rst? wouldn't that work? |
| 14:09.25 | johnx | RST38h, some people have made it work, others haven't had success |
| 14:09.25 | RST38h | liri: it is not compatible with vlc, I have seen multiple complaints about it |
| 14:09.32 | liri | ahh |
| 14:09.49 | RST38h | johnx: AFAIK you can only access camera through gstreamer on Maemo |
| 14:09.57 | liri | it was mentioned to use that before, another option was gstmjpg but that requires a web server |
| 14:10.10 | liri | hmm |
| 14:10.16 | johnx | RST38h, that's not true. |
| 14:11.36 | GeneralAntilles | Archos netbook |
| 14:11.37 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 14:11.41 | johnx | rebrand |
| 14:11.41 | RST38h | atom? |
| 14:11.48 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, oh? |
| 14:11.54 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, 1.6GHz, apparently. |
| 14:12.01 | johnx | -1 point for atom, -1 point for rebrand, -1 point for keyboard |
| 14:12.13 | RST38h | -10 for notebook form factor |
| 14:12.23 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, http://www.liliputing.com/2009/01/archos-netbook-is-a-rebranded-haseee-mj125.html |
| 14:12.33 | RST38h | No, really, how many underpowered laptops do we need? |
| 14:12.51 | johnx | enough to drop the bottom out of the general purpose computer market? |
| 14:13.06 | RST38h | johnx: Are there any successful examples of using the camera without the gstreamer? |
| 14:13.26 | RST38h | johnx: that bottom dropping thing does not sound good |
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| 14:13.57 | johnx | people have used both vlc and mencoder successfully |
| 14:13.59 | GeneralAntilles | Netbooks are funny. |
| 14:14.12 | johnx | it doesn't quite behave like a sane, normal v4l2 device |
| 14:14.22 | johnx | just like everything on the n8x0... |
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| 14:16.49 | RST38h | johnx: at least it is better than audio |
| 14:17.00 | johnx | in fact, it's starting to look like apple played it smart by choosing not to compete "in" the windows ecosystem so much as compete against it... |
| 14:18.10 | RST38h | johnx: They had to specifically "play" it? :) |
| 14:19.24 | tekojo | jeremiah: sorry was out and about :-) |
| 14:20.24 | johnx | it's just neat to see how well they did while completely ignoring what everyone else was doing |
| 14:20.45 | jeremiah | tekojo: No biggie, I am a happy lurker. :) |
| 14:22.08 | suihkulokki | johnx: the v4l2 api is a beast, with all drivers and applications implementing and using slighltly different subsets of the api |
| 14:22.28 | johnx | nice |
| 14:22.51 | johnx | there's also the added bonus that capturing at too high of a res puts the tablet at risk of a watchdog reset |
| 14:24.25 | suihkulokki | that's certainly bad from the v4l2 api pov :P |
| 14:24.53 | johnx | maybe it falls under optional behavior :) |
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| 14:27.47 | Macer | wow |
| 14:28.00 | RST38h | once again politely requests an API where you send a few ioctls with the frame format and then start reading frames with read() |
| 14:28.03 | Macer | i was just thinking about it.. and i don' thave a single linux box other than my n800 and G1 i you consider those "boxes" |
| 14:28.30 | liri | what package has gst-launch for installing on the n810? |
| 14:28.39 | RST38h | And whoever would like to have a "richer" API should be crucified, beheaded, and fed to tapeworms |
| 14:29.30 | RST38h | johnx: Apple sells you a fashion item, not a computer |
| 14:29.37 | Macer | haha |
| 14:30.01 | RST38h | johnx: They are mighty good at fashion, too. If Lenovo tries to sell you a fashion item, it will still be cheap chinese crap no matter how hard lenovo tries |
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| 14:30.26 | Macer | i am still pissed that i got banned from the osx # on efnet because some guy said that "osx is the most advanced operating system in existance" |
| 14:30.27 | johnx | RST38h, and it seems your average mac is rather useful as a computer as well |
| 14:30.38 | Macer | my reply was "why? isn't it just an old mach kernel with a shitty wm?" |
| 14:30.57 | Macer | which it is :) |
| 14:31.01 | RST38h | johnx: It is useful all right, but not as much as a PC, when you do not follow predefined use scenarios |
| 14:31.28 | RST38h | Macer: You flame people wrong. |
| 14:31.28 | johnx | RST38h, and a harrier jet is more useful than an econo box when you don't follow predefined 'roads' |
| 14:31.31 | rm_you | OSX looks neat and has a reputation for not breaking, but as soon as you take it off of the Apple Hardware "sandbox" it crashes just as much as the next OS |
| 14:31.37 | RST38h | Macer: That is why you get banned right away |
| 14:31.38 | Macer | RST38h: i honestly wasn't |
| 14:31.40 | Macer | :) |
| 14:31.53 | Macer | i just didn't understand what made it so advanced? |
| 14:31.53 | rm_you | they just have the ability to customize it for exactly two or four sets of hardware drivers and perfect it |
| 14:32.10 | RST38h | Macer: That is why you should ask 'em questions, not make statements |
| 14:32.16 | Macer | it uses a kernel tech that is years old |
| 14:32.25 | Macer | along with a wm that is also.. not the best |
| 14:32.32 | rm_you | hell, windows aggrivates me more than most (though about average here, probably), but if it were made for specifically three pieces of hardware, it would run better than OSX >_> |
| 14:32.32 | RST38h | Macer: Let them push themselves into a corner, then attack |
| 14:32.37 | Macer | on tech that has been used in a PC for years |
| 14:32.52 | Macer | i don't understand what makes it "the most advanced OS in existance" |
| 14:33.05 | RST38h | Macer: You will still be banned of course, but the goal of making those poor suckers feel like shit will be reached by then |
| 14:33.08 | Macer | i mean... it doesn't float to your hands :) |
| 14:33.24 | Macer | they dropped the ppc which was the worst thing they could have done |
| 14:33.39 | johnx | eh. I still recommend it over windows or linux to most people |
| 14:33.40 | Macer | turning it into a normal intel that costs 2x the price |
| 14:33.51 | RST38h | johnx: Well, following this analogy, Mac is rather like a harrier jet that you can only fly along straight lines to a few preselected destinations |
| 14:34.00 | Macer | i mean cmon.. a 2.16GHz intel with a shitty video card laptop for $1500? |
| 14:34.12 | RST38h | johnx: On the other hand, that is what most people do anyway |
| 14:34.20 | johnx | RST38h, errr...that was like the opposite of my point. :) |
| 14:34.34 | Macer | RST38h: i think it works good as a posix box |
| 14:34.37 | Macer | and darwin ports helps |
| 14:34.38 | johnx | most people don't need a harrier jet, because they don't go anyplace that's not next to a road... |
| 14:34.49 | RST38h | johnx: Yea |
| 14:34.59 | RST38h | johnx: in that sense, mac serves them perfectly and it is shiny too |
| 14:35.02 | Macer | i mean i'm not saying it is a BAD os.. but it is far from "the most advanced OS in existance" |
| 14:35.09 | johnx | RST38h, then we agree. :) |
| 14:35.19 | Macer | haha |
| 14:35.19 | Jaffa | Macer: that'd be z/OS, right? |
| 14:35.27 | aquatix | Jaffa: plan 9 |
| 14:35.28 | Macer | ... |
| 14:35.30 | Macer | ecomstation ;) |
| 14:35.32 | RST38h | Macer: You are trying to argue with mentally ill people using logic? |
| 14:35.34 | Macer | ecomstation ftw |
| 14:35.40 | RST38h | Macer: As I said, that is not how it is done |
| 14:35.49 | jaska | ecomstation.. runs even less stuff than plan9?:D |
| 14:35.51 | Macer | i suppose not |
| 14:36.05 | Macer | jaska .. that is what makes it so advanced! |
| 14:36.06 | Macer | :) |
| 14:36.26 | RST38h | Macer: With mac nuts, you first lead them into a tantrum, then laugh as they jump all over the walls, pulling hair off their asses |
| 14:36.27 | Macer | i'm actually thinking of building an ecomstation box just for the hell of it |
| 14:36.46 | Macer | problem with macnuts is they are not very smart computerwise for the most part |
| 14:36.53 | Macer | don't get me wrong.. you have a select few.. but i suppose that's anything |
| 14:36.55 | RST38h | Macer: who cares? |
| 14:36.56 | johnx | eh. all zealots are equally ridiculous... |
| 14:37.01 | aquatix | saw Haiku OS in action last weekend at FOSDEM |
| 14:37.11 | Macer | haikuOS? |
| 14:37.12 | RST38h | Macer: Are you going to segregate your victims based on their computer literacy? |
| 14:37.18 | johnx | aquatix, how's it looking? |
| 14:37.21 | aquatix | Macer: open source BeOS |
| 14:37.28 | aquatix | johnx: BeOS-y :) |
| 14:37.30 | Macer | RST38h: there is no point in playing basketball with scrubs.. it isn't as fun ;) |
| 14:37.34 | aquatix | johnx: better google screenshots |
| 14:37.38 | aquatix | it's quite nice btw |
| 14:37.46 | aquatix | had it in a VM a while ago |
| 14:38.32 | aquatix | damn fast |
| 14:38.32 | RST38h | Macer: This is no basketball, it is a massacre |
| 14:38.32 | Macer | hahaha |
| 14:38.32 | johnx | yeah, I check on it every couple months |
| 14:38.32 | RST38h | Macer: And the funniest thing is to make 'em massacre themselves |
| 14:38.32 | Macer | but there's no point in beating up someone who is already knocked out ;) |
| 14:38.52 | RST38h | Macer: A drunk is knocked out, a mac nut is just mad. |
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| 14:39.04 | Macer | always on the ropes . making comments like "the most advanced OS in existance" |
| 14:39.10 | Macer | with no explaination as to why |
| 14:39.49 | Macer | the only reason i don't mind my macbook is because i got it for $500 |
| 14:40.00 | Macer | if i had paid $1500 for it i would have been greatly disappointed |
| 14:40.12 | RST38h | Ah! A closet Mac user having a denial! |
| 14:40.13 | RST38h | =) |
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| 14:40.26 | RST38h | Come, come out of the closet Macer... |
| 14:40.30 | Macer | considering that a comparable PC laptop for $1500 would destroy this thing |
| 14:40.39 | Macer | haha |
| 14:41.10 | Macer | i actually wiped osx on it and put ubuntu on it .. but the wifi driver wouldn't do adhoc so i couldn't tether my G1 to it in linux |
| 14:41.18 | Macer | so i had to go back to osx |
| 14:41.31 | aquatix | .. bt? |
| 14:41.41 | Macer | android bt is....... |
| 14:41.46 | Macer | (no comment) |
| 14:42.00 | johnx | you really know how to pick lame systems to run linux on :) |
| 14:42.01 | aquatix | ah :) |
| 14:42.02 | RST38h | wonders why not get a Windows laptop and a Nokia |
| 14:42.03 | Macer | either way i don't even think that tmob lets you tether using ppp |
| 14:42.04 | aquatix | oh indeed |
| 14:42.08 | Macer | johnx: haha |
| 14:42.12 | aquatix | is too used to having bt available |
| 14:42.20 | Macer | RST38h: $500 for the macbook |
| 14:42.32 | RST38h | Macer: fallen off a truck? =) |
| 14:42.38 | aquatix | RST38h: ubuntu actually works really nice on my laptop |
| 14:42.45 | Macer | i don't really like cadallacs either.. but if i could get an escalade for $5000 i would |
| 14:42.58 | aquatix | *g* |
| 14:43.17 | johnx | heh |
| 14:43.17 | johnx | me too |
| 14:43.17 | aquatix | wouldn't mind getting a Lexus for 2kEUR |
| 14:43.17 | johnx | then I'd turn around and sell it |
| 14:43.17 | RST38h | aquatix: it works on mine too, but I do Windows and Symbian development |
| 14:43.17 | Macer | RST38h: no... just a pc user who got one and didn't like it and just wanted to get rid of it |
| 14:43.21 | aquatix | RST38h: ah :) |
| 14:43.26 | RST38h | Macer: Ah |
| 14:43.37 | RST38h | Must have been really pissed off at it... |
| 14:43.40 | Macer | :) thought it would be like windows and found out it wasn't and didn't care about getting rid of it for $500 to buy a pc laptop that was just as good |
| 14:43.41 | johnx | aquatix, got just the thing for you. a little bondo here, get the scorch marks rubbed out here and it's good as new :> |
| 14:43.55 | aquatix | johnx: lol |
| 14:43.57 | Macer | RST38h: forgot what happened where he was about to throw it... and i just happened to be in the right place at the right time |
| 14:44.20 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: yes, it will |
| 14:44.20 | Macer | "I'll give you $500 for it" "FINE.. JUST TAKE THE FUCKING THING!" |
| 14:44.22 | Macer | :) |
| 14:44.29 | aquatix | heheh |
| 14:44.38 | aquatix | reminds me of my neighbour |
| 14:44.42 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: along with beagleboard port and i think also zaurus |
| 14:45.03 | aquatix | gave away his ipod touch on the ski piste to a random girl who liked it, because he couldn't stand it |
| 14:45.03 | johnx | aquatix, "I'll give you $500 for your neighbor!" "FINE JUST TAKE HIM!" |
| 14:45.12 | aquatix | johnx: hahahahahhaha |
| 14:45.14 | Stskeeps | _BuBU: yes, i managed to get it ported: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-pocketloox-2.jpg |
| 14:45.31 | aquatix | johnx: i would love to do so with the woman living next door to him |
| 14:45.38 | Stskeeps | _BuBU: theme needs improvement |
| 14:45.45 | aquatix | stupid b*tch constantly making way too much noise |
| 14:46.02 | aquatix | Stskeeps: neat |
| 14:46.06 | Jaffa | VDVsx: Select the area, then change the co-ordinates to add another 10 round. It seems that Inkscape doesn't take into account Gaussian blur when determining bounding boxes |
| 14:46.11 | _BuBU | yep I saw that picture :) |
| 14:46.16 | Macer | have to take my car in for a tune up |
| 14:46.18 | Macer | blah |
| 14:46.26 | Macer | better go get this shit over with |
| 14:46.40 | johnx | Macer, good luck. try not to get ripped off |
| 14:46.58 | Macer | johnx: it's ok.. saved $1000 on a macbook |
| 14:47.01 | Macer | hahahha |
| 14:47.13 | rm_you | I want a new macbook |
| 14:47.20 | rm_you | if only it cost like half the price |
| 14:47.37 | johnx | heh. car stuff makes computer stuff look cheap |
| 14:47.41 | Macer | i don't mind the price of the tune up.. as long as they do stuff |
| 14:47.52 | RST38h | johnx: move on to airplane stuff! |
| 14:47.52 | Macer | i usually mark everything to check :) |
| 14:48.00 | Macer | to make srue they actually replace things that are supposed to be replaced |
| 14:48.16 | johnx | RST38h, was looking at cheapo UAV autopilots the other day :> |
| 14:48.54 | johnx | make sure to get your blinker fluid changed and your muffler bearings replaced |
| 14:49.01 | aquatix | RST38h: feh, airplanes |
| 14:49.06 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, are you getting adv-backlight bugmail now? |
| 14:49.07 | Macer | johnx: i have a 1994 caprice :) |
| 14:49.07 | aquatix | is saving for a space craft |
| 14:49.17 | timelE61i | hello? |
| 14:49.23 | Macer | i need to do so much shit to it that i can't even remember most of it.. but i have to get a 2nd car first so i can do it on my own |
| 14:49.24 | RST38h | johnx: With bomb racks, or do you prefer hires cameras? |
| 14:49.34 | johnx | timelE61i, try adv backlight from svn |
| 14:49.51 | Macer | 1994 was a good year for the caprice |
| 14:50.08 | johnx | heh |
| 14:50.25 | RST38h | Doesn't caprice have a wider rear end than an average city bus? |
| 14:50.30 | johnx | not a big caprice fan so he won't start |
| 14:50.40 | aquatix | googles caprice |
| 14:50.44 | GeneralAntilles | Poo, johnx. :P |
| 14:50.53 | RST38h | aquatix: do not. |
| 14:51.15 | aquatix | augh, the goggles! |
| 14:51.17 | aquatix | they do nothing |
| 14:51.22 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, it's just too easy...but I'm resisting... |
| 14:51.22 | GeneralAntilles | Hum, looks like they're bringing it back |
| 14:51.40 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, classic American sedan |
| 14:51.41 | aquatix | has a simple 1996 opel astra |
| 14:52.09 | Jaffa | now has a nice shiny new VW Scirocco (mmm, company car perks) |
| 14:52.29 | aquatix | Jaffa: dang |
| 14:52.40 | RST38h | General: Must be the falling oil prices |
| 14:52.57 | RST38h | has got a used HRV |
| 14:53.04 | GeneralAntilles | loves his Camry. |
| 14:53.24 | RST38h | Camries are good |
| 14:53.28 | aquatix | i wouldn't mind having a new VW Polo |
| 14:53.35 | GeneralAntilles | 5-speed makes them better. |
| 14:53.43 | RST38h | General: Solara? =) |
| 14:53.44 | florian | GeneralAntilles: these are pretty good... |
| 14:53.53 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, 2004 LE sedan. |
| 14:54.00 | RST38h | Ah |
| 14:54.05 | johnx | misses his Supra :/ |
| 14:54.07 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: 5-speed isn't standard? |
| 14:54.13 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, what year? |
| 14:54.20 | RST38h | General: They are $30k+ around here |
| 14:54.34 | GeneralAntilles | aquatix, this is the US, and the Camry is the typical run-o-the-mill sedan. |
| 14:54.37 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, had an 85 and an 84, but I miss the 84 most :) |
| 14:54.39 | florian | aquatix: depends on the area you live in ;} |
| 14:54.46 | GeneralAntilles | aquatix, they ship, like, a dozen manual Camrys a year. |
| 14:54.51 | aquatix | florian: i live in a developed country ;) |
| 14:54.53 | RST38h | General: Not prepared to pay that much for wheels |
| 14:54.53 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, niiiice. |
| 14:54.58 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: heh |
| 14:55.13 | aquatix | americans can't cope with shifting gear themselves? :) |
| 14:55.15 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I got mine used for 14k |
| 14:55.20 | aquatix | likes it |
| 14:55.23 | RST38h | johnx: I had an 84 one, the one with dual headlights |
| 14:55.25 | johnx | aquatix, correct :) |
| 14:55.31 | GeneralAntilles | aquatix, mostly there isn't much reason to cope with it. |
| 14:55.32 | aquatix | tsk, lazy bums |
| 14:55.39 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: because it's fun? |
| 14:55.40 | RST38h | General: Used is like $20k+ here, still not good |
| 14:55.49 | GeneralAntilles | We don't have insanely high gas prices |
| 14:55.56 | GeneralAntilles | and the vast majority of people see it as work, not fun. |
| 14:56.02 | johnx | RST38h, they're darn nice, quite reliable and not exactly slow |
| 14:56.29 | dphil9000 | RST38h: try http://dahon.com for cheap wheels |
| 14:56.31 | florian | aquatix: :-) |
| 14:56.33 | aquatix | has to travel 130+km/day in his car for work |
| 14:56.39 | aquatix | not exactly vacation either ;) |
| 14:56.48 | aquatix | still, i like controlling my car myself |
| 14:56.49 | dphil9000 | My fav vehicle |
| 14:56.55 | RST38h | johnx: Mine went to the junkyard under its own power |
| 14:56.58 | liri | I haven't used GStreamer before (not even on the desktop) and I want to get gst-launch on the n810 for streaming... how do I get it installed? |
| 14:57.20 | Stskeeps | there's a tools package or something |
| 14:57.21 | aquatix | dphil9000: heheh |
| 14:57.24 | Stskeeps | apt-cache search |
| 14:57.29 | GeneralAntilles | aquatix, as do I. |
| 14:57.37 | johnx | RST38h, first one rusted out from under me and the second one is still kicking around for all I know... |
| 14:57.45 | aquatix | also loves messing with americans ;) |
| 14:57.57 | RST38h | johnx: Well, mine has been dropping parts of the rusted trunk to the pavement for a while... |
| 14:58.06 | GeneralAntilles | aquatix, I only wish I had the wherewithal to look for something RWD at the time. |
| 14:58.19 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: heh :) |
| 14:58.24 | aquatix | get a Beamer? |
| 14:58.27 | GeneralAntilles | s/had had/ |
| 14:58.28 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, you didn't have $500 and access to craigslist? |
| 14:58.30 | GeneralAntilles | bleh |
| 14:58.32 | GeneralAntilles | fails. |
| 14:58.44 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, mostly I was still somewhat immature in all things automotive. |
| 14:59.05 | johnx | yeah, I was too...which is why I bought into a rust bucket first time around |
| 14:59.09 | GeneralAntilles | aquatix, I've been eyeing an E36 M3 sedan one of my neighbors has for sale. |
| 14:59.22 | aquatix | has to google that one too |
| 14:59.22 | johnx | then I bought a burned out hulk for $500 and drove it for a couple years |
| 14:59.23 | liri | yeah there's a whole lot of gstreamer options to install :P |
| 14:59.39 | liri | ahh, tools for use with gstreamer, that's probably that |
| 14:59.44 | GeneralAntilles | I could afford the car, I couldn't afford the insurance, though. |
| 14:59.46 | liri | thanks Stskeeps |
| 14:59.54 | aquatix | wouldn't mind having a Peugeot 407 either |
| 14:59.59 | johnx | 80's beamers were nice too. lighter than the supra and RWD+I6 is my favorite combination |
| 15:00.08 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, amen. |
| 15:00.21 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, though my dream car is an E30 M3. |
| 15:00.27 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: ah, that one |
| 15:01.00 | GeneralAntilles | aquatix, black: looks basically like this: http://www.bmwinfo.com/pictures/00864.jpg |
| 15:01.00 | johnx | last company I worked with almost everyone else there owned an 80's beamer and raced them on a local track on weekends... |
| 15:01.03 | aquatix | frankly, i don't like it, but that's more because only a certain kind of (immature) people tend to drive it around here |
| 15:01.18 | aquatix | the car itself is nice |
| 15:01.25 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: looks great |
| 15:01.32 | GeneralAntilles | aquatix, practically nobody drives it around here. |
| 15:01.35 | Woolly-work | aquatix: I've been trying out claws-mail, and prefer the feel of modest :( |
| 15:01.43 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: ha, that's a Dutch one even :) |
| 15:01.47 | GeneralAntilles | Though there's a shitton of 3-series BMWs. |
| 15:01.50 | aquatix | Woolly-work: ah |
| 15:02.00 | aquatix | Woolly-work: yeah, modest is more maemo integrated |
| 15:02.29 | aquatix | but modest just doesn't cope with my imap account |
| 15:02.34 | Woolly-work | aquatix: I reckon that's it |
| 15:02.38 | aquatix | it takes 2 minutes to start |
| 15:02.44 | Woolly-work | eek |
| 15:02.57 | aquatix | then randomly fails to load folders |
| 15:03.02 | aquatix | or refresh them |
| 15:03.17 | aquatix | and i only have about 100000 emails or something :/ |
| 15:03.28 | aquatix | with a 15-email inbox |
| 15:03.39 | Woolly-work | haha |
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| 15:03.51 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: how was FOSDEM btw? |
| 15:04.02 | Woolly-work | I think i'll keep the claws option available, but try with modest first |
| 15:04.23 | aquatix | Woolly-work: good luck :) |
| 15:04.28 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, was fine, but I expected more from the maemo talks |
| 15:04.29 | aquatix | let me know when you get it working |
| 15:04.43 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: well at least they referred to Mer ;) |
| 15:04.45 | aquatix | VDVsx: i expected more from talks in general |
| 15:04.46 | Woolly-work | aquatix: shall do, and thanks again :) |
| 15:04.52 | aquatix | Woolly-work: np :) |
| 15:05.06 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, its true Stskeeps :) |
| 15:05.47 | VDVsx | aquatix, yap, the talks last year are more intresting for me |
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| 15:06.01 | aquatix | VDVsx: hm, i thought last year was worse |
| 15:06.07 | aquatix | the year before was rather nice |
| 15:06.21 | aquatix | but it of course depends on your area of interest |
| 15:06.24 | guysoft42 | hey, does anyone here know the fastest way to pull data from the light-meter? |
| 15:06.54 | aquatix | poll the proc sys? |
| 15:06.57 | GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, they're saving it all up for the Summit. ;) |
| 15:08.17 | VDVsx | aquatix, I don't saw any new and exciting project/advance this year, nothing new, I like to see new things |
| 15:08.35 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, Yap, probably and I hope so |
| 15:08.46 | johnx | heh |
| 15:08.59 | johnx | would be funny if the summit ends up in oregon |
| 15:09.04 | Stskeeps | hopes to go this year to summit |
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| 15:11.26 | johnx | always wanted to visit Europe... |
| 15:12.46 | VDVsx | johnx, you live in Japan right ? |
| 15:13.13 | johnx | yup. will be back in the US (Seattle area) starting in April |
| 15:13.35 | thopiekar | has someone of you the bianary /scratchbox/tools/bin/mkdir? sb1 can't find it in this folder.. |
| 15:14.00 | VDVsx | I meet a guy at fosdem, that move from tokio to Oulu in Finland |
| 15:14.19 | johnx | thopiekar, should be a symlink to mkwrapper |
| 15:15.03 | johnx | VDVsx, ah cool. He's from Japan or was just living there? |
| 15:15.42 | VDVsx | johnx, nop, is Canadian |
| 15:15.56 | liri | yicks, libxslt1.1 is giving me a headache with apt. apt says it should be installed, when it tries to unpack it there's a dpkg error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libxslt1.1_1.1.19-1osso3_armel.deb with the error: trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/libxslt.so.0.8.13', whic is also in package libxslt subprocess paste killed by signal (broken pipe) |
| 15:16.08 | VDVsx | he works for some company related to Nokia, but not directly with maemo |
| 15:16.13 | liri | any ideas? |
| 15:17.16 | thopiekar | mkdir is symlinked to mkwrapper but anyway sb1 can't find it -.- |
| 15:17.16 | thopiekar | http://pastebin.com/d4b090762 |
| 15:17.17 | johnx | liri, well, those should be conflicting packages. see what depends on each one |
| 15:17.52 | RST38h | johnx: Done with Japan already? |
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| 15:18.12 | johnx | RST38h, not done forever, just done for now |
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| 15:18.35 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: probably one of the large amounts of contractors :P |
| 15:18.36 | johnx | thopiekar, file /scratchbox/tools/bin/mkwrapper |
| 15:19.03 | RST38h | johnx: Ah |
| 15:19.28 | thopiekar | http://pastebin.com/d63b6671c |
| 15:20.01 | liri | johnx: running dpkg -l | grep xslt -> I get ii libxslt 1.1.9 ic libxslt1.1 (1.1.19-osso3) and iU xsltproc (1.1.19-osso3 too) |
| 15:20.23 | thopiekar | * needs mkwrapper python? |
| 15:20.51 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, yap, he also a Quim friend, I meet him because he gone to the maemo dinner with us |
| 15:21.07 | Sargun_Screen | Maemo has a dinner? |
| 15:21.16 | Myrtti | lolhelp |
| 15:21.26 | johnx | liri, the big question is what are you trying to install that depends on this different libxslt? |
| 15:22.05 | rm_you | If a bug is fixed in latest SVN but not yet pushed to extras, can I still mark it as FIXED? |
| 15:22.19 | johnx | rm_you, go and study :P |
| 15:22.28 | rm_you | lol yea after i deal with this bug report :P |
| 15:22.29 | liri | I'm trying to install something else entirely (the gstreamer thing) but it seems that libxslt is a pending package with installation issues, usually 'apt-get -f install' solves this but it doesn't now... |
| 15:22.54 | johnx | apt-cache rdepends libxslt |
| 15:23.22 | timelE61i | rM_you: yes, just set the tm properly |
| 15:23.24 | liri | libxslt reverse depends: libgtkhtml-2 lifrea |
| 15:23.42 | timelE61i | Rm\you: which product? |
| 15:23.45 | liri | I actually don't mind un-installing both of those |
| 15:23.46 | thopiekar | -> solved the problem.. I renamed /scratchbox/tools/bin/python to /scratchbox/tools/bin/python-old, because in sb I installed some modules and I wanted to use them.. |
| 15:23.50 | VDVsx | Sargun_Screen, yup, posted in planet and mailing lists |
| 15:23.51 | liri | I remember trying liferea once |
| 15:23.56 | rm_you | timelE61i: i dont have any TM set up >_> |
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| 15:24.06 | rm_you | timelE61i: ABL, your bug |
| 15:24.08 | timelE61i | I'll fix that |
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| 15:24.24 | timelE61i | Give me a list of vers you want |
| 15:24.29 | rm_you | err |
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| 15:24.39 | rm_you | 0.15 |
| 15:24.46 | johnx | liri, if I were you I'd try and remove liferea and the libxslt it depends on manually |
| 15:24.50 | rm_you | for now that is all |
| 15:24.58 | rm_you | i'll deal with anything else later |
| 15:25.16 | liri | johnx: manually means 'dpkg -r liferea' ? |
| 15:25.22 | johnx | yeah |
| 15:25.30 | T3rmInAt0r | Hello guys, I am having a problem... I tried to install mer on N810. I think I followed to procedure correctly. But now the N810 reboot in almost every minute. Additionally, when keep pressing home it doesn't boot on mer....:S |
| 15:25.48 | liri | ok, done |
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| 15:26.53 | wazd_n800 | I'm back... sorta) |
| 15:26.57 | johnx | T3rmInAt0r, ok. first what exactly do you mean "reboots in almost every minute"? is this when booted into maemo? |
| 15:27.11 | wazd_n800 | soo cold( |
| 15:27.17 | T3rmInAt0r | yes |
| 15:27.24 | T3rmInAt0r | it only boots on maemo |
| 15:27.29 | T3rmInAt0r | and since then |
| 15:27.29 | RST38h | moo, wazd |
| 15:27.33 | johnx | are you out of space? |
| 15:27.47 | T3rmInAt0r | I installed mer on a 2GB card |
| 15:27.49 | wazd_n800 | RST38h, mmmooo) |
| 15:27.50 | RST38h | wazd: I have got TI83 kinda working yesterday but it doing something wrong |
| 15:27.57 | johnx | T3rmInAt0r, are you out of space in maemo? |
| 15:28.02 | RST38h | keyboard is not working well |
| 15:28.12 | wazd_n800 | johnx, I'm out of the city) |
| 15:28.14 | T3rmInAt0r | I can't say..... |
| 15:28.25 | T3rmInAt0r | maemo reboots |
| 15:29.03 | zs | T3rmInAt0r: i got the same problem, it was because there wasn't free space on device |
| 15:29.04 | T3rmInAt0r | it shows the screen of maemo for about 45 sec and then again, it reboots on maemo |
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| 15:29.14 | T3rmInAt0r | zs... now??? |
| 15:29.24 | zs | T3rmInAt0r: not now, before |
| 15:29.25 | T3rmInAt0r | *now what am I supposed to do? |
| 15:29.26 | johnx | T3rmInAt0r, can you do anything in that time? can you open programs? |
| 15:29.44 | T3rmInAt0r | jonhnx no.... |
| 15:29.48 | T3rmInAt0r | nothing at all... |
| 15:29.50 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, RESOLVED means the code's in place, CLOSED means the code has shipped. |
| 15:29.57 | wazd_n800 | why britain has such a good taste of music( |
| 15:30.09 | StsN800 | T3rmInAt0r, 10 bucks you ended with out of space |
| 15:30.12 | johnx | T3rmInAt0r, ok. do you have a linux desktop computer you can use? |
| 15:30.13 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: errrk? |
| 15:30.22 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: which option do I select then? |
| 15:30.32 | rm_you | Resolve bug, changing resolution to FIXED INVALID WONTFIX WORKSFORME |
| 15:30.32 | rm_you | ? |
| 15:30.36 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, if the codes in svn but not shipped yet, RESOLVED FIXED |
| 15:31.03 | T3rmInAt0r | yes |
| 15:31.04 | rm_you | ah THEN i get option for closed |
| 15:31.08 | rm_you | kk got it, thanks |
| 15:31.11 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, right. |
| 15:31.22 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, I was probably answering a question that wasn't really asked. :P |
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| 15:31.24 | T3rmInAt0r | ( StsN800 .... maybe you are right...) |
| 15:31.26 | liri | johnx: thanks, got it working |
| 15:31.36 | GeneralAntilles | Extraneous information. |
| 15:31.38 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: no, that was exactly what i needed to know |
| 15:31.39 | johnx | liri, sounds good :) |
| 15:31.43 | T3rmInAt0r | johnx, what can I do with linux desktop? |
| 15:31.46 | T3rmInAt0r | flash it again? |
| 15:31.51 | timelE61i | rm: someone should verify it too |
| 15:31.55 | timelE61i | That's qa |
| 15:31.58 | johnx | T3rmInAt0r, use the command line linux flasher to disable lifeguard reset |
| 15:32.03 | timelE61i | Often it'll be the reporter |
| 15:32.10 | rm_you | timelE61i: kk... so... you? |
| 15:32.14 | rm_you | :P |
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| 15:32.26 | timelE61i | My computers all don't like me atm, so it'll be a bit |
| 15:32.28 | T3rmInAt0r | johnx, how am I supposed to do this? (I don't even know this command) |
| 15:32.32 | timelE61i | hunts for onw |
| 15:32.38 | rm_you | johnx: can you compile ABL-SVN and verify https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4104 as resolved? |
| 15:32.48 | rm_you | johnx: in mer |
| 15:33.06 | johnx | rm_you, sure, in a bit |
| 15:33.10 | rm_you | johnx: kk thx |
| 15:33.21 | rm_you | johnx: i'll be back in... like 12 hours |
| 15:33.22 | T3rmInAt0r | flasher --set-rd-flags no-lifeguard-reset ???? |
| 15:33.24 | zs | T3rmInAt0r: sudo flasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset -R |
| 15:33.27 | rm_you | after classes >_> |
| 15:33.42 | T3rmInAt0r | (almost right...) |
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| 15:34.45 | rm_you | as soon as classes quiet down a little I should have time to be here again :P |
| 15:34.55 | johnx | 'later rm_you |
| 15:35.01 | rm_you | runs |
| 15:35.50 | T3rmInAt0r | zs, may I use flasher while the device is powered off? |
| 15:36.07 | johnx | you follow the same instructions for flashing your device normally |
| 15:36.21 | johnx | except use the command line zs gave you |
| 15:37.28 | wazd_n800 | RST38h, so you'll make it work someday and I should draw 84+?) |
| 15:38.13 | T3rmInAt0r | bash: flasher-3.0: command not found |
| 15:38.16 | T3rmInAt0r | what is wrong? |
| 15:38.24 | johnx | T3rmInAt0r, you need the flasher command |
| 15:38.28 | johnx | ~flashing |
| 15:38.31 | infobot | flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 15:38.53 | T3rmInAt0r | I download it |
| 15:39.00 | T3rmInAt0r | i am on the right directory |
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| 15:39.11 | StsN800 | glances at work laptop with gfx failing to turn on |
| 15:39.12 | johnx | ok, then try: sudo ./flasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset -R |
| 15:39.28 | zs | did you missed ./ ? |
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| 15:39.52 | T3rmInAt0r | ok johnx you are rihgt |
| 15:40.06 | T3rmInAt0r | zs.... you didn't put it either :P :) |
| 15:40.10 | RST38h | wazd: Go for 83+ and 84+ by all means |
| 15:40.22 | RST38h | wazd: I should resolve the problem sooner or later |
| 15:40.32 | zs | T3rmInAt0r: sorry for that ;) |
| 15:40.51 | RST38h | wazd: All the infrastructure for more models is already in and I even plan to do 82 |
| 15:40.54 | T3rmInAt0r | now that I have connected N810 and powert it on |
| 15:40.59 | T3rmInAt0r | it says something |
| 15:41.07 | wazd_n800 | RST38h, got it) |
| 15:41.10 | T3rmInAt0r | Kernel version...initfs version etc.... |
| 15:41.19 | johnx | you're in RD mode |
| 15:41.21 | qwerty12 | That happens in rd-mode |
| 15:41.39 | T3rmInAt0r | research and develoment? |
| 15:41.47 | johnx | probably |
| 15:41.59 | T3rmInAt0r | lol.... |
| 15:42.01 | T3rmInAt0r | anyway... |
| 15:42.09 | T3rmInAt0r | now may I try |
| 15:42.15 | T3rmInAt0r | whether the mer is installed? |
| 15:42.19 | johnx | anyways, boot into maemo, see if you ran out of free space, free up some space, then try mer again |
| 15:42.34 | johnx | bootmenu didn't install correctly at least |
| 15:42.59 | T3rmInAt0r | I have to programm diskUsage |
| 15:43.25 | zs | T3rmInAt0r: have you got root access on device? |
| 15:43.39 | johnx | just type df -h in X Terminal |
| 15:43.40 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, You should add an Maemo-Required-Free-Space tag to your control file for bootmenu. |
| 15:43.46 | wazd_n800 | RST38h, cool |
| 15:44.02 | T3rmInAt0r | zs, yup |
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| 15:44.52 | StsN800 | qwerty12, there's such a thing? |
| 15:44.59 | qwerty12 | StsN800, yes |
| 15:45.09 | qwerty12 | XB-Maemo-Required-Free-Space: <whatever> |
| 15:45.26 | StsN800 | qwerty12, also i would love to but it seems my work laptop screencard may be fried.. |
| 15:45.38 | T3rmInAt0r | and what should bother me? |
| 15:45.52 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, not having much luck with the laptops :( |
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| 15:46.03 | johnx | T3rmInAt0r, well, are you out of space on '/' or not? |
| 15:46.14 | T3rmInAt0r | http://www.pastebin.ca/1334125 |
| 15:46.20 | T3rmInAt0r | that's what I get |
| 15:46.25 | johnx | yes |
| 15:46.31 | johnx | you're essentially out of space |
| 15:46.51 | T3rmInAt0r | /dev/mtdblock4 |
| 15:46.53 | T3rmInAt0r | this one? |
| 15:46.56 | T3rmInAt0r | it is only 240MB |
| 15:47.01 | johnx | yes. the one mounted as / |
| 15:47.08 | T3rmInAt0r | (and mer itself created) |
| 15:47.15 | T3rmInAt0r | (i choosed simple install) |
| 15:48.34 | johnx | ok, you still need to free up some space |
| 15:48.58 | T3rmInAt0r | from where? |
| 15:49.03 | T3rmInAt0r | The deviced |
| 15:49.06 | johnx | yes |
| 15:49.12 | T3rmInAt0r | was flashed |
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| 15:49.29 | T3rmInAt0r | and I had installed only 2-3 apps |
| 15:49.34 | T3rmInAt0r | and then tried mer |
| 15:49.39 | wazd_n800 | I'm off, later guys) |
| 15:49.56 | johnx | well, something is taking up space |
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| 15:50.21 | T3rmInAt0r | I followed this one http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.7 |
| 15:50.29 | T3rmInAt0r | only the Nokia N8x0(W) - installer |
| 15:50.36 | T3rmInAt0r | was I wrong? |
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| 15:51.38 | Woolly-work | on OSX, if I type in the terminal "open mailto:a@b.c" it will open a blank email using the default mailto URI handler. Is there a similar feature on maemo? |
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| 15:52.29 | Mek | xdg-open mailto:foo@bar.com perhaps? not sure if maemo follows xdg standards... |
| 15:52.43 | qwerty12 | Woolly-work, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=257579&postcount=19 (to use modest - diablo's default client) |
| 15:52.58 | T3rmInAt0r | johnx , If I reflash in diablo |
| 15:53.00 | T3rmInAt0r | and then mer |
| 15:53.05 | T3rmInAt0r | It would be fine, right? |
| 15:53.09 | johnx | T3rmInAt0r, yes, that should be fine |
| 15:53.19 | T3rmInAt0r | I'll try it :) |
| 15:53.23 | johnx | but keep in mind mer is still aplha level software... |
| 15:53.47 | Woolly-work | qwerty12: you are a genius :) |
| 15:53.52 | T3rmInAt0r | but it supports all the packages of |
| 15:53.53 | T3rmInAt0r | ubuntu |
| 15:53.55 | T3rmInAt0r | right? |
| 15:54.08 | qwerty12 | Woolly-work, :) |
| 15:54.22 | johnx | T3rmInAt0r, yup, just like easy debian :) |
| 15:54.22 | Woolly-work | now if only i could pull this into python! |
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| 15:54.43 | T3rmInAt0r | ok two more things |
| 15:54.53 | Woolly-work | I can send the message, and I get the loading email banner, but then the notification goes away, and nothing happens :( |
| 15:54.55 | T3rmInAt0r | 1. now N810 is stacked in RD logo .... |
| 15:55.20 | T3rmInAt0r | 2. After isntalling mer. just power off , and power on + menu button pressed until start mer? |
| 15:55.54 | johnx | after you install mer you just need to restart normally and it will show you a menu |
| 15:56.05 | johnx | no need to hold any special buttons |
| 15:56.37 | T3rmInAt0r | restart by terminal, or even "normally" by hand? |
| 15:56.49 | johnx | right |
| 15:56.49 | qwerty12 | johnx, bootmenu? |
| 15:56.57 | johnx | doesn't make a difference |
| 15:57.05 | T3rmInAt0r | ok thanx |
| 15:57.06 | johnx | qwerty12, yes? |
| 15:57.10 | T3rmInAt0r | how about the 1? |
| 15:57.21 | qwerty12 | johnx, you hold menu to get to the bootmenu which you can then boot mer from |
| 15:57.33 | qwerty12 | the menu doesn't come up automatically |
| 15:57.43 | johnx | ah |
| 15:57.55 | johnx | uhm...it does here... |
| 15:58.23 | qwerty12 | odd, I've never had it come up automatically on any of my installs :/. I always get the press menu message |
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| 15:58.38 | johnx | yeah, I do too, then it comes up anyways |
| 15:58.43 | johnx | as for getting out of RD mode: sudo ./flasher-3 --disable-rd-mode |
| 15:58.56 | T3rmInAt0r | thanx alot!!! |
| 15:59.39 | T3rmInAt0r | bye!! |
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| 16:11.38 | Woolly-work | qwerty12: do you have any idea on how to pythonise that dbus-send line? |
| 16:11.57 | qwerty12 | os.system? :P |
| 16:12.08 | Woolly-work | hehe, without using os.system :D |
| 16:12.25 | qwerty12 | I'm not that great on python-dbus :) |
| 16:12.44 | Woolly-work | ahh cool, never mind:) |
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| 16:13.34 | Woolly-work | I'll open that question up to anyone then :P |
| 16:18.43 | Macer | well. judging by how much better my car is driving.. i would guess that i was a FEW thousand miles over on that oil change :) |
| 16:18.57 | johnx | skeery |
| 16:19.06 | Macer | heh |
| 16:19.08 | johnx | yeah, oil is the one to be careful of |
| 16:19.13 | Macer | the new wipers are nice too |
| 16:19.18 | Stskeeps | cleans out his laptop now that he got it boting. |
| 16:19.21 | Macer | the ability to actually wipe rain off the window :) |
| 16:19.28 | Macer | it's amazing haha |
| 16:19.35 | johnx | and you definitely want to be careful to make sure it has actual oil in it :) |
| 16:19.42 | Macer | i check it |
| 16:20.03 | Macer | it was a quart low a couple weeks ago.. and i don't think it was because it's losing it |
| 16:20.11 | Macer | i just think that it loss mass by turning into a solid haha |
| 16:20.18 | Macer | loss/lost |
| 16:20.20 | johnx | oil thieves? |
| 16:20.23 | Macer | haha |
| 16:20.33 | johnx | it's probably burning a bit |
| 16:20.46 | Macer | yeah.. burning oil sucks though |
| 16:20.52 | johnx | meh |
| 16:20.54 | Macer | means i might have a hole in a ring |
| 16:21.06 | johnx | old seals |
| 16:21.14 | Macer | yah |
| 16:21.26 | johnx | no great cause for concern |
| 16:21.31 | johnx | just means you gotta be careful |
| 16:21.38 | Macer | either way. i have to bring it back anyways. i think my heater coil is messed up |
| 16:21.45 | Macer | blows out warm air but not hot |
| 16:22.18 | Macer | unless i punch it.. so maybe it's plugged up or maybe my pump is jacked up.. or maybe when i got a new serpentine belt. they ran it wrong.. who knows.. this is why i never chose to be a mechanic :) |
| 16:22.36 | Macer | i would love to disect the thing and do it all myself but i have to buy a 2nd putput first |
| 16:22.41 | johnx | yeah, troubleshooting is a huge PITA |
| 16:22.49 | johnx | yup |
| 16:23.05 | Macer | i was looking at getting a metro or tracker for $3000 |
| 16:23.06 | Macer | haha |
| 16:23.09 | johnx | same with cars as it is with devices: project <noun> and daily use <noun> |
| 16:23.16 | Macer | as long as it runs i can go ahead and totally screw up my caprice |
| 16:23.26 | johnx | why not get a civic? |
| 16:23.39 | Macer | right now i'd buy anything that isn't a total piece of shit and runs |
| 16:23.41 | Macer | :) |
| 16:23.49 | Macer | but i'd at least rather have something that can make it in the snow |
| 16:23.53 | johnx | so that rules out metro and tracker... |
| 16:23.57 | GeneralAntilles | Then swap out the muffler for a Pringles can! |
| 16:24.02 | Macer | i had a metro in high school.. it never got stuck |
| 16:24.17 | Macer | well.. except once when i tried to ram a giant pile of snow to get out of the alley coming out of the garage |
| 16:24.22 | Macer | but i guess that's my own fault :) |
| 16:24.24 | johnx | ah, I meant the 'not a piece of shit line' :) |
| 16:24.27 | Macer | oh |
| 16:24.33 | Macer | yeah haha |
| 16:24.42 | Macer | they're all pieces of shit tho |
| 16:24.46 | GeneralAntilles | Metros are surprisingly (disturbingly?) reliable. |
| 16:24.48 | Macer | except my caprice.. i love my caprice |
| 16:24.48 | RST38h | The Author's Guild claims that the new Kindle's text-to-speech software is illegal, stating that "They don't have the right to read a book out loud," said Paul Aiken, executive director of the Authors Guild. |
| 16:24.51 | RST38h | hehehe |
| 16:24.54 | Macer | i specifically went out just to get that car :) |
| 16:25.09 | Macer | bought it in CA .. had 60K on it.. some old guy owned it |
| 16:25.13 | Macer | god bless old people |
| 16:25.13 | johnx | whatever floats your boat man... |
| 16:25.27 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, you ever get to drive a Caprice? |
| 16:25.35 | Macer | heh.. they just don't make large cars like they used to.. i think the caprice was the last one |
| 16:25.37 | johnx | nah, just a malibu |
| 16:25.46 | GeneralAntilles | 3G for the new Kindle was an interesting choice. |
| 16:26.01 | johnx | I should point out: late 70s smallblock V8 malibu :) |
| 16:26.09 | Macer | haha |
| 16:26.16 | Macer | oh.. thought you meant the mid 90s piece of shit |
| 16:26.23 | Macer | like what they did to the impala in the early 2000s |
| 16:26.36 | johnx | just playing off the name |
| 16:26.37 | Macer | ugh.. i was so disgusted at the new impala that i wanted to go to Chevy and kill the CEO |
| 16:26.39 | johnx | brand necromancy |
| 16:26.42 | Macer | yah |
| 16:26.56 | Macer | they ruined the impala name with that total piece of shit |
| 16:26.58 | Macer | like ford with their V6 mustangs |
| 16:27.06 | Macer | they should have been ASHAMED |
| 16:27.08 | johnx | there were always v6 mustangs :P |
| 16:27.30 | Macer | yeah.. but these were like.... piece of shit V6 mustangs |
| 16:27.31 | Macer | hahaha |
| 16:27.39 | RST38h | You would probably do Chevy's CEO a favor... |
| 16:27.47 | johnx | the past ain't what it used to be... |
| 16:27.58 | Macer | RST38h: maybe |
| 16:28.13 | Macer | but he can still fly in a lier to ask the govt for money |
| 16:28.13 | GeneralAntilles | Macer, Mustangs were always pieces of shit. |
| 16:28.24 | Macer | so on the personal level .. i don't think he is hurting as bad as he says he is |
| 16:28.31 | GeneralAntilles | It's crazy that they went FWD with the Impala of all things. :\ |
| 16:28.33 | Macer | his company is.. not him :) |
| 16:28.48 | johnx | ah, nm. they started as a straight 6 |
| 16:28.49 | johnx | but still |
| 16:28.54 | RST38h | has got an impression US cars were always pieces of shit |
| 16:28.58 | Macer | haha |
| 16:29.07 | Macer | RST38h: i loved mid 90 impalas |
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| 16:29.20 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, they went FWD with the corolla and celica. that's what broke my heart |
| 16:29.22 | GeneralAntilles | ++++++++++++++99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999////////////////////////// |
| 16:29.32 | Macer | love i should say. my buddy at work has a 96 impala ss |
| 16:29.35 | GeneralAntilles | Ups |
| 16:29.35 | Macer | i want to steal it |
| 16:29.38 | johnx | RST38h, but some of the old ones were terrifyingly fast POSes :) |
| 16:29.44 | GeneralAntilles | should unplung his keyboard before poking at it. |
| 16:29.57 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: line noise! |
| 16:30.15 | RST38h | johnx: notmuch interested in "fast", given how much time the car spends in traffic |
| 16:31.20 | johnx | RST38h, yeah, and personally I think much over 130MPH is a waste even in the 'stupid testosterone fueled acts' category, but you've got to at least acknowledge that they made some scary fast cars back in the day :) |
| 16:31.48 | RST38h | johnx: With those engines, shouldn't be a problem =0 |
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| 16:31.59 | johnx | especially scary-fast because the suspensions and brakes just weren't there to support the speed, but that's besides the point |
| 16:32.15 | t3rminat0r_ | johnx: man... I stil have the RD problem... |
| 16:32.18 | RST38h | johnx: True tools of Darwin! |
| 16:32.20 | t3rminat0r_ | I can't close it...:S |
| 16:32.29 | johnx | t3rminat0r_, read the help for flasher |
| 16:32.41 | johnx | anyways, it doesn't affect anything |
| 16:32.49 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, this is the extreme of suspension/tires/brakes not being able to keep up with the speed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_W125 |
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| 16:35.12 | Macer | haha |
| 16:35.12 | GeneralAntilles | Old grand prix cars are terrifying. |
| 16:35.13 | Macer | fast speed an no brakes :) sounds like fun |
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| 16:35.32 | johnx | all fun and games until someone gets airborne :) |
| 16:35.36 | t3rminat0r_ | johnx: ... I had plug off the wire... so any flasher command, doesn't respond....If I pull of the battery???? |
| 16:35.36 | RST38h | General: I have seen one of these smash into a lightpost, at 40mph |
| 16:35.52 | Macer | not airborne.... weightless :) |
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| 16:36.15 | johnx | t3rminat0r_, rd mode doesn't affect flashing or normal operation. what problem are you having? |
| 16:36.19 | RST38h | General: No significant damage to the driver, they had to replace the lightpost |
| 16:36.42 | t3rminat0r_ | it is still freezed on the RD image... |
| 16:36.48 | t3rminat0r_ | Kernel info etc.... |
| 16:36.50 | GeneralAntilles | No tires, no brakes, bad aerodynamics, lots of power and you've got to get it around corners with a boat wheel. |
| 16:37.06 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, no crumple zones. ;) |
| 16:37.06 | johnx | t3rminat0r_, it was booting normally last time I talked to you. what did you do? |
| 16:37.35 | RST38h | General: Well, the engine crumpled very very well |
| 16:37.37 | t3rminat0r_ | I pulled of the wire USB |
| 16:37.42 | t3rminat0r_ | and now it is still |
| 16:37.50 | RST38h | General: Withlots of spare distance left to crumple, too |
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| 16:38.27 | t3rminat0r_ | if I pull off the battery???? (is it a bad idea?) |
| 16:38.37 | johnx | won't hurt anything |
| 16:38.44 | johnx | did you already reflash diablo? |
| 16:38.44 | t3rminat0r_ | :) |
| 16:38.48 | t3rminat0r_ | no... |
| 16:38.53 | t3rminat0r_ | since then |
| 16:39.09 | t3rminat0r_ | I wait on the same freeze image... |
| 16:39.16 | t3rminat0r_ | I will pull the battery now |
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| 16:39.20 | t3rminat0r_ | (wish me luck) |
| 16:39.25 | Macer | have to wait til like friday for this picoUPS to get in |
| 16:39.43 | Macer | Shuttle KPC K45 psu sucked horribly and died after 4 months |
| 16:39.58 | Woolly-work | qwerty12: my friend and mentor :D have you discovered similar dbus-send functionality for pidgin? :D |
| 16:40.21 | qwerty12 | Woolly-work, no, sorry, I don't use pidgin |
| 16:40.34 | Macer | more watts with less space |
| 16:40.47 | johnx | rated watts != output watts :) |
| 16:40.59 | Macer | outputs 120 |
| 16:41.00 | Woolly-work | qwerty12: alrighty, thanks anyway :D |
| 16:41.17 | Macer | stock psu was 100.. and how that thing actually lasted 4 montsh i'll never know |
| 16:41.25 | Macer | the small fan was spinning 293043208439238 rpms |
| 16:41.29 | Macer | ALWAYS |
| 16:41.53 | johnx | Woolly-work, I searched pidgin dbus and found some hopeful results for python code :) |
| 16:42.02 | Macer | i think it grinded from the first day i turned it on |
| 16:42.14 | johnx | Macer, right but just because it says "120 watts" on the side doesn't mean it can actually output 120 watts |
| 16:42.31 | Macer | johnx: it's a picoUPS ;) |
| 16:43.00 | johnx | ok? that somehow means that the company selling it is 100% honest? |
| 16:43.11 | Woolly-work | johnx: that's what I've been looking at, but currently only stuff on getting information from pidgin using dBus |
| 16:43.23 | Macer | johnx: of course not |
| 16:43.35 | Macer | but it has no fan :) |
| 16:43.58 | Macer | it's just an adapter brick |
| 16:44.09 | johnx | ah... no fan == guaranteed wattage output |
| 16:44.10 | johnx | got it :) |
| 16:44.17 | Macer | i doubt i even need more than 70W |
| 16:44.29 | Macer | but i'm sure it can at least hit 100 even if they have it rated to 120 |
| 16:44.36 | Stskeeps | johnx: picoPSU is actually scaringly powerful |
| 16:44.47 | johnx | yeah. I ate a 250W power supply, then switched down to a 200W and had no problems yet |
| 16:44.50 | Stskeeps | i have one in my office for the stuff we're doing |
| 16:45.12 | Macer | Stskeeps: you get the plate for the slot? |
| 16:45.26 | johnx | I was getting computer brownouts, right down to flickering power LEDS :) |
| 16:45.28 | Stskeeps | Macer: slot? |
| 16:45.38 | Macer | for the circle part to plug it in |
| 16:45.50 | Stskeeps | ah, dont think so |
| 16:45.53 | Macer | it's a $2 plate with a circle drilled into it |
| 16:45.59 | Macer | what did you do.. just run the cable out the case? |
| 16:46.02 | johnx | Woolly-work, http://arstechnica.com/software/news/2007/05/pidgin-2-0.ars/4 :) |
| 16:46.19 | Stskeeps | Macer: yeah, and we have a professor in industrial design on staff so he tinkers.. |
| 16:46.38 | johnx | you get all the fun professors to play with :P |
| 16:46.39 | Macer | ah :) i see |
| 16:46.44 | Macer | yah.. mine were prunes |
| 16:46.44 | Macer | haha |
| 16:47.01 | Stskeeps | johnx: the more theoretical people could drink me under the table though |
| 16:47.07 | Woolly-work | thanks johnx |
| 16:47.08 | Macer | although i think my humanities professor wanted to have sex with all the guys at one time |
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| 16:47.41 | Macer | she had that 60yr old dirty librarian look about her |
| 16:48.03 | Myrtti | right |
| 16:48.20 | Myrtti | takes few steps away from Macer |
| 16:48.24 | Macer | :) |
| 16:48.37 | Stskeeps | ponders idly where his newly acquired 74gb backup space came from |
| 16:48.53 | Macer | i'm still pissed my english professor gave me a B... she actually took showing up into consideration |
| 16:49.09 | Macer | never no mind i breezed through her course's work |
| 16:49.23 | Stskeeps | i guess getting my zfs setup to be raidz 120gb-120gb-160gb from 74gb-120gb-160gb |
| 16:49.42 | t3rminat0r_ | johnx: I can't find the site for flashing |
| 16:49.47 | t3rminat0r_ | www.maemo.org? |
| 16:49.52 | Stskeeps | ~flashing |
| 16:49.53 | infobot | rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 16:50.23 | zs | t3rminat0r_: what site? |
| 16:50.32 | Stskeeps | johnx: solca's going to attempt with a mer port to the ADP1 btw (G1, the developer version) |
| 16:50.38 | Macer | Over 96% efficiency |
| 16:50.47 | Macer | heh |
| 16:50.53 | johnx | ah, neat |
| 16:51.02 | zs | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware this? |
| 16:51.10 | Macer | those rotten false advertisers |
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| 17:00.23 | AndrewFBlack | well I lost my Nokia 9300 on ebay today the price went to high for me |
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| 17:00.52 | AndrewFBlack | Over $100 for a 3 year old used phone lol |
| 17:01.15 | Macer | ordered a K45 panel for a slimdvd |
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| 17:06.45 | thopiekar | hey.. I'm trying to build a package but I get this message always.. |
| 17:07.26 | thopiekar | No rule to make target `/usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/patchsys-quilt.mk'. |
| 17:07.33 | qwerty12 | apt-get install quilt |
| 17:07.34 | Stskeeps | meh, seems like my tasks for mer 0.8 will .. be done through mer, on the mertop :P |
| 17:07.37 | Stskeeps | :curses his laptop:\ |
| 17:10.10 | thopiekar | 's N800 is now at dug, a nokia certificated repair shop |
| 17:10.42 | thopiekar | qwerty12: thanks it works |
| 17:12.07 | johnx | Stskeeps, hard drive dying or what? |
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| 17:12.47 | Stskeeps | johnx: im not sure really |
| 17:12.57 | Stskeeps | it often doesnt show bios bootup screen either |
| 17:13.06 | thopiekar | is repacking streamripper for maemo4.1 with fresh dependences... |
| 17:13.17 | Stskeeps | im working on erasing out stuff and then im handing it in for repair at my work |
| 17:13.31 | johnx | ah, nice |
| 17:13.52 | johnx | ah, had something similar happen to a friend's laptop and it was actually a faulty inverter attached to the LCD I believe |
| 17:14.04 | johnx | worked fine on an external monitor though |
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| 17:20.49 | GeneralAntilles | had to replace the inverter on a PowerBook recently. |
| 17:21.00 | GeneralAntilles | Apple laptops aren't very much fun to work on. |
| 17:22.03 | johnx | the white macbooks showed a termporary change in that trend, but that new 17" pro doesn't look user serviceable... |
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| 17:25.09 | T3rmy | johnx.... man somethink is wrong with the N810... |
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| 17:25.22 | T3rmy | I try to connect it with my rooter |
| 17:25.29 | T3rmy | and it doesn't connect |
| 17:25.38 | T3rmy | (even with free access) |
| 17:25.38 | johnx | does it boot now? |
| 17:25.53 | T3rmy | yes. it boot in maemo |
| 17:26.01 | johnx | did you reflash diablo? |
| 17:26.05 | T3rmy | no |
| 17:26.08 | T3rmy | I try it |
| 17:26.15 | T3rmy | but it even |
| 17:26.25 | T3rmy | does'nt recognize the USB cable.... |
| 17:26.51 | johnx | make sure you use the USB cable from Nokia and keep trying |
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| 17:37.00 | fuzzybunny_901 | yo |
| 17:37.05 | fuzzybunny_901 | yo |
| 17:37.08 | fuzzybunny_901 | yyo |
| 17:37.11 | fuzzybunny_901 | yo |
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| 17:37.17 | fuzzybunny_901 | hello |
| 17:37.27 | Myrtti | hello. |
| 17:37.54 | fuzzybunny_901 | anyone heard of whisper of MerMer |
| 17:38.06 | fuzzybunny_901 | for nokia |
| 17:38.14 | fuzzybunny_901 | itouch os hack |
| 17:38.44 | qwerty12 | I think daperl was pulling your leg. |
| 17:38.56 | fuzzybunny_901 | really |
| 17:39.33 | johnx | mermer? don't they make guitars? |
| 17:39.37 | fuzzybunny_901 | too bad |
| 17:40.57 | fuzzybunny_901 | im still getting that "sd card in use" error with install tools(KDE) |
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| 17:41.53 | fuzzybunny_901 | i think i have 43-7 |
| 17:43.39 | fuzzybunny_901 | any help? i have an 800 |
| 17:44.33 | fuzzybunny_901 | yo |
| 17:44.55 | johnx | we hear you |
| 17:45.05 | fuzzybunny_901 | well |
| 17:45.11 | fuzzybunny_901 | sry |
| 17:46.08 | johnx | might be good to include as much info as you can. if you already posted on itt, just give us a link. if not just put the whole error on pastebin and link it here |
| 17:46.21 | fuzzybunny_901 | ok |
| 17:46.34 | johnx | I don't think many people here use KDE on their tablets though... |
| 17:46.44 | fuzzybunny_901 | o |
| 17:46.55 | fuzzybunny_901 | i just thought id try it |
| 17:48.30 | fuzzybunny_901 | im actually at school so it migh take a while to post the log |
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| 17:48.50 | AndrewFBlack | fuzzybunny_901, shouldn't you be learning and not playing on irc :) |
| 17:49.28 | fuzzybunny_901 | im actually not in class at the moment |
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| 17:55.56 | fuzzybunny_901 | here |
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| 17:56.14 | fuzzybunny_867 | u got it |
| 17:56.32 | johnx | no. I didn't. all I got was "fuzzybunny_901 has quit (Excess Flood)" |
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| 17:56.57 | johnx | lol |
| 17:57.01 | johnx | ~pastebin |
| 17:57.02 | infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 17:57.09 | qwerty12 | remembers someone doing that to me over pm on irc :P |
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| 17:58.34 | fuzzybunny_766 | how do i use? |
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| 17:58.54 | wazd_n800 | RST38h, around? |
| 17:59.23 | johnx | fuzzybunny_766, you go to the site, and paste something, then click submit and give me the link |
| 18:00.11 | fuzzybunny_766 | ok |
| 18:00.22 | johnx | need that pastebin link again? |
| 18:00.26 | fuzzybunny_766 | http://pastebin.com/m45268e72 |
| 18:00.32 | johnx | ok. thanks |
| 18:00.38 | fuzzybunny_766 | welcome |
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| 18:02.13 | johnx | do you have some file from your internal sd card open? is your tablet connected to a computer by USB? |
| 18:02.30 | fuzzybunny_766 | not when i install |
| 18:02.52 | fuzzybunny_766 | but i have to go now |
| 18:03.03 | fuzzybunny_766 | will u be online tonight |
| 18:03.03 | johnx | before you try again try formatting your card so it's blank to start with |
| 18:03.07 | johnx | nope |
| 18:03.16 | johnx | will be asleep then at work |
| 18:03.21 | fuzzybunny_766 | ok thanx again |
| 18:03.24 | wazd_n800 | does anybody knows Ti 84+ screen resolution? |
| 18:03.34 | fuzzybunny_766 | bye |
| 18:03.38 | johnx | sure, no problem, later |
| 18:03.55 | qwerty12 | wazd_n800, wikipedia says 96×64 |
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| 18:05.55 | wazd_n800 | hmm, seems like it's different from Ti 85,86 |
| 18:06.33 | wazd_n800 | 4:3 or something |
| 18:08.34 | wazd_n800 | yep, Ti 85 is 128x64 |
| 18:09.00 | wazd_n800 | thanks qwerty12 ) |
| 18:09.11 | qwerty12 | np |
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| 18:15.04 | wazd_n800 | Ti 84+ is very extravagant device) |
| 18:15.48 | wazd_n800 | so much curves to draw |
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| 18:19.47 | fuzzybunny_496 | j |
| 18:20.08 | fuzzybunny_496 | im stuck in limbo |
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| 18:43.26 | Zic | Where is located usb-host package for OS2008? I can't find it... |
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| 18:44.30 | johnx | to enable usb host mode. look for usb otg or usbcontrol |
| 18:44.56 | johnx | or here: http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_host_mode |
| 18:46.31 | Zic | yes, but I tried http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/usbcontrol/ and it says "incompatible app" |
| 18:46.46 | RST38h | reMoo |
| 18:47.23 | johnx | Zic, tried the usb otg plugin? |
| 18:47.29 | johnx | that's what I'm using right now |
| 18:47.52 | johnx | you're on the latest OS2008 release, right? |
| 18:47.58 | Zic | johnx: I don't want to have a permanent applet in the statusbar, is it what usb-otg-plugin provides ? |
| 18:48.03 | Zic | johnx: yeah :) |
| 18:48.18 | johnx | yeah, it's a permanent applet |
| 18:48.29 | johnx | but you can just remove it when not in use :P |
| 18:48.38 | johnx | as for usbcontrol |
| 18:48.50 | Zic | an applet or an icon on the statusbar ? |
| 18:49.16 | johnx | yes, it's a 'statusbar applet' |
| 18:49.53 | Zic | ok |
| 18:50.12 | Stskeeps | now, am i silly for wanting usb rescue menu for my tablet and able to g_file_storage the internal hd? |
| 18:50.20 | Stskeeps | tablet=laptop |
| 18:50.48 | johnx | ah, macs had that |
| 18:50.53 | johnx | firewire target disk mode |
| 18:51.28 | Stskeeps | scaringily, this -does- have firewire.. |
| 18:51.34 | johnx | anyone can say whatever they want about macs but doing support for about 50 macs was the same as the workload for about 15 PCs |
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| 18:52.38 | Stskeeps | wtfff |
| 18:52.47 | Stskeeps | my bios screen doesnt come up |
| 18:52.51 | Stskeeps | -but xubuntu does- |
| 18:52.53 | Stskeeps | O_o |
| 18:52.55 | johnx | nice |
| 18:53.03 | johnx | it's that old xubuntu magic |
| 18:53.13 | johnx | is the LCD slow turning on maybe? |
| 18:53.30 | johnx | if you attach it to an external LCD does the BIOS show up there? |
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| 19:13.32 | Stskeeps | ah. i have the answer whats broken |
| 19:13.34 | Stskeeps | the cpu fan. |
| 19:13.52 | Stskeeps | its not supposed to sound like a fish flabbering around in a bucket. |
| 19:15.07 | johnx | you're right. mine sounds more like a squirrel and some rocks in a shoebox falling down the stairs... |
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| 19:18.59 | RST38h | So what's new and exciting tonight? |
| 19:20.04 | Stskeeps | im cleaning out my tablet to send it in for repairs while it still runs :P |
| 19:20.13 | ShadowJK | What did you do to it? |
| 19:20.16 | Stskeeps | not sure |
| 19:20.18 | RST38h | wow, what happened? |
| 19:20.18 | ShadowJK | Or rather, waht's broken? :P |
| 19:20.21 | johnx | the pandora forums are down. yesterday was Japan's "National Foundation Day" |
| 19:20.21 | Stskeeps | suddenly the fan started acting up |
| 19:20.25 | Stskeeps | err.. not tablet |
| 19:20.25 | Stskeeps | laptop |
| 19:20.32 | Stskeeps | jesus, whats with me tonight |
| 19:20.38 | RST38h | More snow. |
| 19:20.43 | Myrtti | Stskeeps: here, have a cup of coffee |
| 19:20.50 | Stskeeps | Myrtti: i just had one :P |
| 19:20.55 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: too much nokia hacking ;) |
| 19:21.07 | Stskeeps | so now im on my mertop and chatting from there. |
| 19:21.09 | RST38h | found a wiki with TI83 info |
| 19:21.21 | Stskeeps | osso-xterm on what, 14 inch, is nice. |
| 19:21.43 | Stskeeps | certainly doesnt hurt your eyes.. |
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| 19:21.56 | Macer | Stskeeps: ok |
| 19:22.01 | Macer | going to install this mer stuff now :) |
| 19:22.08 | Stskeeps | hehe, good |
| 19:22.13 | Macer | where do i get it? |
| 19:22.14 | Macer | heh |
| 19:22.19 | qwerty12_N800 | Although hildon-desktop is a bitch, I thought it was my code or the gcc opts I'm using to compile the library were shit - no, it's the fucking desktop file |
| 19:22.43 | Stskeeps | Macer: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer , click Releases, i think |
| 19:22.47 | qwerty12_N800 | .. that was making cpl segfault |
| 19:23.14 | Stskeeps | Myrtti: curious, what theme and OS version do you use on your 770? |
| 19:23.22 | Macer | k |
| 19:23.28 | Macer | it works right? |
| 19:23.30 | Macer | :) |
| 19:24.41 | Myrtti | Stskeeps: IT2008HE and I guess it's the default one as I usually manage to crash it before changing the theme |
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| 19:25.06 | RST38h | Sts: THAT bug! |
| 19:25.24 | Myrtti | if I try to launch about any app before OMWeather has updated the weather info, the damn thing crashes |
| 19:25.38 | Myrtti | ie. reboots |
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| 19:26.22 | johnx | Myrtti, tried using a swap file and installing 'seatbelt'? |
| 19:26.37 | Myrtti | johnx: sure, and no |
| 19:26.56 | johnx | it's supposed to tweak memory allocation to prevent crashes |
| 19:27.20 | Myrtti | doesn't matter anyway, as soon as I get my hands on my n800, the 770 is going to get Mer innit |
| 19:28.01 | Myrtti | n800: 32 days, 2 hours, 32 minutes and counting |
| 19:28.17 | johnx | out for repair or ...? |
| 19:28.18 | Macer | going to wipe my maemo sd for this |
| 19:28.19 | Macer | :) |
| 19:28.24 | Macer | hope it works |
| 19:28.32 | Stskeeps | we |
| 19:28.37 | Stskeeps | ll see |
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| 19:28.48 | Macer | heh |
| 19:29.03 | Macer | i don't use it much anyways |
| 19:29.27 | Myrtti | johnx: I bought it from a Jaiku friend, but since he lives in UK, my bf paid it and it was delivered to his address. I'm going to UK in 32 days anyway so no use of mailing it to me |
| 19:29.32 | Macer | installing bootmenu... |
| 19:29.37 | Myrtti | (bf lives in uk as well) |
| 19:30.02 | johnx | eep. reminds me that I have to get the shipping address for my pandora changed... |
| 19:30.25 | Macer | "merinstaller" ? |
| 19:30.36 | Macer | that is interesting.. will be nice if this all does it on its own |
| 19:30.45 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx: don't worry, you'll have years to do it... |
| 19:31.24 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, and you'll have years to save for an n900. With the GBP as it is it should be a coupple grand, right? |
| 19:32.36 | Macer | gr |
| 19:32.42 | Myrtti | kekekeke |
| 19:32.44 | Macer | had the damn swap partition going |
| 19:32.50 | Macer | have to disable it and reboot and try again :) |
| 19:32.50 | Macer | haha |
| 19:32.54 | Macer | OOPS |
| 19:32.56 | qwerty12_N800 | then Nokia have just priced themselves out of a market... |
| 19:33.13 | johnx | and into a different one? |
| 19:33.15 | Myrtti | qwerty12_N800: or the GBP gone down the drain |
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| 19:35.01 | Macer | Stskeeps: will there be plans to put mer on the n8x0 as default onto the internal flash once it is a little more stable? |
| 19:35.31 | johnx | Macer, look further down the same page you downloaded from :) |
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| 19:35.53 | Macer | johnx: heh.. sorry.. got to file.install and quit reading :) |
| 19:35.57 | Macer | i'm installing it now |
| 19:36.09 | johnx | heh :) no worries. but yeah, there's a flash image too |
| 19:36.25 | Macer | i wouldn't do it just yet.. i need to try it out |
| 19:36.31 | johnx | in my case I'll probably always be booting from SD card simple for space reasons |
| 19:36.32 | Macer | but i will look into it if it works well |
| 19:36.46 | Macer | johnx: well.. if it is like linux.. wouldn't you just be able to mount the space? |
| 19:36.49 | johnx | s/simple/simply |
| 19:36.54 | Macer | ;) |
| 19:37.16 | Macer | pictures mounting internal and external sd partitions |
| 19:37.20 | thopiekar | silly debian! I want to build texlive but it depens on findutils and findutils depends on dejagnu, which depends on texlive.. how can I break.. the wall of dependences? |
| 19:37.39 | johnx | well yeah, but why bother having one system that depends on both things working perfectly when I can sacrifice 256MB for redundancy? |
| 19:37.49 | Macer | true |
| 19:38.23 | Macer | mer-armel-n800-image-v0.7.tar.gz is 140M? |
| 19:38.24 | Macer | heh |
| 19:38.42 | johnx | thopiekar, what architecture do you have that doesn't have a texlive package? |
| 19:38.43 | Macer | does it have built in dev tools or something? |
| 19:38.58 | Jaffa | johnx: Maemo doesn't have one IIRC |
| 19:39.16 | thopiekar | johnx: armel...^^ |
| 19:39.42 | johnx | ah |
| 19:40.04 | thopiekar | s/armel/maemo.diablo(armel) @ sb1 |
| 19:40.30 | Macer | 2.5 mins until this mer download is done |
| 19:40.34 | Jaffa | VDVsx : You want your URL to be http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009, not http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009/ |
| 19:40.37 | Macer | let me see if UPS brought some of my K45 parts |
| 19:40.47 | thopiekar | finally i need texlive for chromium-bsu (a space game) |
| 19:40.52 | Macer | i need my damn K45 parts :) |
| 19:41.32 | VDVsx | Jaffa, thanks |
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| 19:41.52 | Jaffa | VDVsx: I've set up a redirect since the former's been distributed |
| 19:41.55 | Jaffa | s/former/latter/ |
| 19:42.32 | Jaffa | http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Redirect for reference |
| 19:42.36 | Jaffa | foods |
| 19:42.47 | VDVsx | Jaffa, good :) |
| 19:42.52 | Macer | awesome |
| 19:42.54 | Macer | it showed up |
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| 19:44.47 | Macer | thank god. i thought this stupid face plate crap wouldn't come with the slim dvd burner screws |
| 19:47.33 | RST38h | Macer: You should sell your K45 for $50 to a stranger! =) |
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| 19:49.52 | Stskeeps | should i be scared i could actually consider using mer day-to-day on a laptop? :P |
| 19:50.32 | qwerty12_N800 | couldn't, matchbox sucks with it's one window policy |
| 19:50.38 | johnx | at this point: maybe a little |
| 19:50.43 | qwerty12_N800 | s/it's/its/ |
| 19:50.47 | johnx | heh |
| 19:50.51 | Stskeeps | on the other hand, i am doing a shitload less task switches |
| 19:50.54 | johnx | millions of windows users do the same thing anyways |
| 19:50.55 | Stskeeps | and i concentrate on the job at hand |
| 19:51.21 | RST38h | My screen also has one window policy though |
| 19:51.36 | RST38h | ^A n - and I am in a different window |
| 19:51.44 | RST38h | no problems so far =) |
| 19:51.45 | Stskeeps | hehe. true, i do double it with |
| 19:51.47 | Stskeeps | screen |
| 19:54.13 | lcuk | anyone know how i get grep to work recursively? |
| 19:54.27 | keesj | grep -r sadf * |
| 19:54.28 | qwerty12_N800 | -r |
| 19:54.43 | Macer | RST38h: no way |
| 19:54.49 | Stskeeps | starts up mauku on mertop. |
| 19:54.54 | Macer | i love it... if the stock psu wasn't such a piece of crap |
| 19:55.11 | wnd | if you want to grep dotfiles in $CWD too, use "grep -r foo ." instead |
| 19:55.17 | RST38h | lcuk: -r |
| 19:55.34 | lcuk | ta guys :) |
| 19:55.46 | RST38h | Macer: Just a few days ago, you cursed K45, Shuttle, and Chinese in general |
| 19:55.56 | RST38h | remembers everything |
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| 19:56.30 | Macer | of course.. the cheap chinese psu died |
| 19:56.31 | Macer | :) |
| 19:56.46 | Macer | but it wasn't really that it was chinese or that it broke.. it is just that it was made to break |
| 19:57.05 | Macer | meaning.. the thing came out with very little quality control and a disgusting sounding fan right off the bat |
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| 19:57.51 | johnx | RST38h, you remember everything? the internet must be a very traumatizing place for you... |
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| 19:58.20 | Macer | hah |
| 19:58.30 | Macer | in the end though i believe we blamed it all on ourselves? :) |
| 19:58.43 | Macer | johnx: (he must be chinese) |
| 19:58.51 | Macer | kind of like when black people hear the N-word |
| 19:59.51 | RST38h | johnx: I only remember information I can later use to blackmail people =) |
| 20:00.01 | johnx | heh |
| 20:00.05 | johnx | doesn't really narrow it down |
| 20:00.47 | RST38h | johnx: it does, if you consider things everybody does as unsuitable for blackmail |
| 20:00.51 | Stskeeps | ponders if this thing runs openttd. |
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| 20:01.10 | filip1 | hi |
| 20:01.11 | RST38h | sitll wonders how to play OpenTTD, after all this time |
| 20:01.28 | Stskeeps | openttd is brilliant. ive played TT since i was like 15 or something :P |
| 20:01.36 | johnx | farms out compiles to machines in other countries |
| 20:03.07 | qwerty12_N800 | outsourcing :> |
| 20:03.22 | Macer | so after bootmenu is done |
| 20:03.26 | Macer | i can reboot and start mer? |
| 20:03.27 | Macer | :) |
| 20:03.36 | Stskeeps | did you install bootmenu first? |
| 20:03.39 | Stskeeps | and then install mer |
| 20:04.04 | Macer | no.. i just ran the mer installer |
| 20:04.06 | RST38h | PalmOS ROP |
| 20:04.10 | RST38h | RIP |
| 20:04.16 | Macer | and it just finished installing bootmenu |
| 20:04.25 | Stskeeps | Macer: then run the utilities -> install bootmenu |
| 20:04.32 | Macer | although i did already have bootmenu installled |
| 20:04.34 | Macer | ah.. ok |
| 20:04.35 | Stskeeps | it only updates the bootmenu config in installer |
| 20:04.43 | Macer | oh |
| 20:04.44 | Macer | ok |
| 20:04.45 | Stskeeps | you need the spezuhl deblet bootmenu so :P |
| 20:06.12 | Macer | uhm... |
| 20:06.59 | Macer | strange.. why do i have deblet options after the install? |
| 20:07.03 | Macer | :) |
| 20:07.10 | Stskeeps | cos you had those items in your rootfs probably |
| 20:07.11 | Macer | i have a mer boot screen .. nice logo |
| 20:07.18 | Macer | nice looking boot screen actually |
| 20:07.23 | Stskeeps | wazds :) |
| 20:07.39 | Macer | seems like there is a graph that is supposed to be moving but it looks kind of stuck towards the beginning |
| 20:07.48 | Macer | ah.. there it goes :) |
| 20:07.55 | Stskeeps | it is a bit slow starting but so it goes |
| 20:08.27 | Macer | yeah.. it is taking quite a while |
| 20:08.36 | Macer | i like the boot screen though |
| 20:08.51 | Macer | wow.. this takes an extremely long time :) |
| 20:08.58 | Stskeeps | we aren |
| 20:09.02 | Stskeeps | t that optimized yet |
| 20:09.23 | Macer | what are the other deblet options for? |
| 20:09.36 | Macer | i couldn't help but notice that it boot off p3 |
| 20:09.41 | Stskeeps | you have tried to install deblet before |
| 20:09.49 | Stskeeps | and hence the boot configuration was resident in the rootfs still |
| 20:09.51 | Macer | long time ago... thought i wiped it though |
| 20:09.52 | Stskeeps | and copied into your initfs |
| 20:09.55 | Macer | ah |
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| 20:09.58 | Macer | well.. that sucks :) |
| 20:10.04 | Macer | have to get rid of that some day |
| 20:10.10 | Stskeeps | you can remove them in rootfs /etc/bootmenu.d and refresh_bootmenu.d |
| 20:10.45 | Macer | ah.. i will work on that stuff once this thing boots |
| 20:11.04 | Macer | almost half way across the screen with the graph ;) is there a way to see what it's doing while it boots? |
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| 20:11.24 | Macer | like hit the home key to get rid of the splash? |
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| 20:11.33 | Macer | and watch what it's doing? |
| 20:11.35 | Stskeeps | yeah, hold down home key when it boots initially and select in the rescue menu |
| 20:11.47 | Macer | crap.. heh |
| 20:12.01 | Macer | wish i asked sooner .. don't want to stop it now |
| 20:12.35 | Macer | WELL... let me go ahead and like.... smoke a cigarette and hopefully it will be done when i get back |
| 20:12.48 | Stskeeps | its taking longer than i expected it would :P |
| 20:13.57 | timelE61i | pIn. |
| 20:14.04 | timelE61i | Andre__? |
| 20:14.12 | timelE61i | Where do control panel bugs go? |
| 20:15.17 | andre__ | timelE61i, settings and maintenance > control panel |
| 20:15.44 | andre__ | comments about both fremantle and diablo welcome. you know... ;-) |
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| 20:17.35 | Stskeeps | should probably upgrade the mer control panel |
| 20:17.45 | Macer | ok dude |
| 20:17.51 | Macer | i am starting to suspect that something is wrong here |
| 20:17.52 | Macer | :) |
| 20:18.00 | Macer | it has been stuck at the same spot for like 4 minutes |
| 20:18.32 | Stskeeps | Macer: hmm. reboot and enable console mode |
| 20:18.39 | Stskeeps | (pop ze battery) |
| 20:18.44 | Macer | yah |
| 20:18.45 | Macer | have to |
| 20:18.48 | timelE61i | andre: no comments abouit frem, no idea if it works |
| 20:18.52 | timelE61i | And i don't care |
| 20:19.02 | timelE61i | My mer now runs most apps from diablo |
| 20:19.30 | Stskeeps | mer control panel is the fremantle one btw, just not very updated |
| 20:20.35 | Macer | hm... ok |
| 20:20.50 | Stskeeps | mm_ |
| 20:20.54 | Stskeeps | ? |
| 20:20.55 | Macer | the kernel flew by... and now i'm at just a screen with the background from the splash |
| 20:20.56 | timelE61i | Sts: but these are applets |
| 20:21.01 | Stskeeps | timelE61i: ah |
| 20:21.22 | Macer | oh.. m.. it's making an ssh dsa key |
| 20:21.25 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 20:21.32 | Stskeeps | well thats normal |
| 20:21.46 | timelE61i | um |
| 20:21.59 | timelE61i | Clicking ok in date and time seems to crash cpl |
| 20:22.26 | Stskeeps | well if its on top of mer, i am inclined to think most things will break :P |
| 20:22.34 | Stskeeps | i am positively surprised when anything works, really |
| 20:22.55 | Macer | heh |
| 20:23.05 | Macer | well... i just put in usernames and passwords |
| 20:23.12 | Macer | so i guess that first bad boot was a fluke? |
| 20:23.16 | Stskeeps | yeah, i guess so |
| 20:23.20 | Stskeeps | solar flare or something |
| 20:23.21 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:23.48 | Macer | heh |
| 20:24.03 | Macer | wow.. this looks amazingly maemo |
| 20:24.05 | Macer | :) |
| 20:24.12 | Macer | well.. hildon i should say |
| 20:24.21 | Stskeeps | the theme is actually not the one from maemo :P |
| 20:24.35 | Stskeeps | its a similar one, made by zenvoid, but it has some nice things for non-hildon apps |
| 20:24.38 | Macer | well.. the theme is nicer ;) |
| 20:24.51 | Macer | i'm wondering what this thing is doing now |
| 20:25.20 | Macer | !!Settings |
| 20:25.23 | Macer | ? |
| 20:25.26 | johnx | !! |
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| 20:25.33 | johnx | makes it more exciting |
| 20:25.33 | Macer | only panels ? |
| 20:25.40 | Stskeeps | Macer: our strings arent exactly finished, yeah |
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| 20:25.53 | Stskeeps | Macer: no control panels yet, all of the nokia ones are closed, so :P |
| 20:25.59 | johnx | mer features: more action!! |
| 20:26.00 | Stskeeps | except for panels.. for some strange reason |
| 20:26.03 | Stskeeps | !!Hello |
| 20:26.12 | johnx | !!MERFTW |
| 20:26.14 | RST38h | ??Error |
| 20:26.27 | qwerty12_N800 | Themes will be there soon (in a knockoff form) ;) |
| 20:26.39 | Macer | hah |
| 20:26.41 | Macer | wow... |
| 20:26.57 | Macer | i was expecting it to be a little farther along than this :) |
| 20:27.19 | RST38h | Always wrong thing to assume about Linux distros |
| 20:27.25 | johnx | the parts that are farther along are the parts that are harder to see :) |
| 20:27.43 | RST38h | Yea, that is also usual |
| 20:27.45 | Macer | haha |
| 20:27.49 | Macer | !!INSTALL |
| 20:27.50 | Macer | :) |
| 20:27.55 | Stskeeps | Macer: 2 months you know.. |
| 20:28.22 | Macer | yeah.. the base looks nice |
| 20:28.31 | Macer | might want to throw a wifi manager in there somewhere :) |
| 20:29.07 | johnx | it's in the statusbar. just tap |
| 20:29.33 | johnx | but I'm off to sleep now |
| 20:29.36 | Stskeeps | nini |
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| 20:29.50 | Macer | oh |
| 20:29.55 | Macer | that's what that is :) |
| 20:30.00 | johnx | hopefully I'll get a chance to work on zaurus imager at work tomorrow :> |
| 20:30.00 | Macer | whay do i have 2 menus on the left now? |
| 20:30.03 | gnuton | Hello |
| 20:30.12 | Stskeeps | Macer: known issue, is in sprints list :P |
| 20:30.36 | Macer | how do i get rid of one? :) |
| 20:30.42 | Macer | it's gnawing at my soul haha |
| 20:30.48 | Stskeeps | two is better than one.. |
| 20:31.22 | Macer | only if they are different |
| 20:31.27 | Macer | 2 here is redundant :) |
| 20:31.48 | Stskeeps | you are denying the argument of twin girls? :P |
| 20:31.56 | Macer | special circumstance |
| 20:32.01 | lcuk | multitouch |
| 20:32.09 | lcuk | one for each hand |
| 20:32.14 | lcuk | ummm finger |
| 20:32.21 | Macer | it looks good Stskeeps |
| 20:32.34 | lcuk | goes back to bein poorly |
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| 20:32.35 | Macer | minus the 2 menus an the "!!" s |
| 20:33.03 | Stskeeps | Macer: the amazing part is really not the interface. the amazing synergy comes when you try to install ubuntu stuff. or enable red pill and show all packages |
| 20:33.16 | Stskeeps | and your tablet goes to a grinding halt for a while, while it sorts and indexes most of ubuntu.. |
| 20:33.26 | Stskeeps | and you can use most of it quite directly |
| 20:33.38 | Macer | well.. right now i'm still looking on how to get rid of the 2nd menu :) |
| 20:33.46 | Stskeeps | .osso/ somewhere probably |
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| 20:36.57 | Macer | .osso only has on applications.menu |
| 20:36.58 | Macer | hm |
| 20:37.08 | Macer | how do i reboot the thing? do i have to do it from a term? |
| 20:37.09 | Macer | :) |
| 20:38.21 | Stskeeps | sudo reboot from perm |
| 20:38.23 | Stskeeps | term |
| 20:38.41 | Macer | yeah... already did it |
| 20:39.18 | Macer | hm |
| 20:39.23 | Macer | the 2 menus just stay there? |
| 20:39.30 | Macer | sts.. you have a wiki on how to fix this issue with the 2 menus? |
| 20:39.36 | Macer | shit like that drives me nuts :) |
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| 20:40.50 | r2d2rogers | runs imager for Mer on his 770 again |
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| 20:42.02 | Stskeeps | Macer: nop, im stuck with two too atm |
| 20:42.04 | Macer | ctrl dosn't work in the term? |
| 20:42.05 | Macer | :) |
| 20:42.10 | Stskeeps | yeah, that too |
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| 20:42.24 | Macer | haha |
| 20:42.30 | Stskeeps | there -are quirks-, but on the other hand, this is a big construction spot |
| 20:42.41 | T3rmy | I have just installed MER and it is superb!!!!! |
| 20:42.46 | Stskeeps | we are basically tearing apart most of maemo and fitting it back together |
| 20:42.52 | T3rmy | thanx to all developers |
| 20:42.58 | Stskeeps | T3rmy: did you try sudo apt-get install php5-mysql yet? :P |
| 20:43.04 | T3rmy | :) :) |
| 20:43.12 | T3rmy | I have already installed the whole server |
| 20:43.14 | T3rmy | :) |
| 20:43.15 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 20:43.18 | T3rmy | and it works great |
| 20:43.20 | T3rmy | :) |
| 20:43.24 | T3rmy | but one more thing.... |
| 20:43.31 | T3rmy | any good web browser? |
| 20:43.32 | Macer | ok... go ing to wait for .8 |
| 20:43.39 | Macer | in the meantime i'll try android out for this thing |
| 20:43.39 | Macer | :) |
| 20:43.44 | T3rmy | I have the server but not the browser :S |
| 20:43.50 | Macer | i can't live with the 2 menus |
| 20:43.56 | Stskeeps | T3rmy: sudo apt-get install midori; reboot |
| 20:43.57 | Macer | that shit will drive me nuts |
| 20:44.14 | Stskeeps | Macer: sadly(?) 0.8 will be a bit of a boring release, but yeah |
| 20:44.22 | Stskeeps | 0.9 will hopefully be more exciting |
| 20:44.27 | Macer | hey.. if you fix the 2 menu thing |
| 20:44.29 | Macer | i'll be happy :) |
| 20:44.31 | Macer | it is very nice |
| 20:44.44 | Macer | i like the theme and the way it displays things.. it is prettier than stock hildon |
| 20:44.57 | Stskeeps | you should have seen when we didnt have this theme.. |
| 20:44.59 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:45.07 | Macer | did it have 4 menus? :-D |
| 20:45.14 | Stskeeps | nah |
| 20:45.18 | Stskeeps | just plankton theme instead |
| 20:45.21 | Macer | ah |
| 20:45.35 | Macer | you might want to make a special mer icon looking thing for the applications menu |
| 20:45.36 | Macer | ;) |
| 20:45.47 | Macer | maybe the logo you use for the booting |
| 20:46.20 | Macer | points at the windows vista windows symbol menu and grins |
| 20:46.40 | T3rmy | Stskeeps: I also noticed that in fennec |
| 20:46.55 | T3rmy | when I tried to insert number |
| 20:46.58 | T3rmy | I could'nt... |
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| 20:47.34 | Macer | but Stskeeps .. it really is amazing for 2 months of work |
| 20:47.56 | Macer | i especially like the boot menu thing you have going on that gives you choices to do things by holding the home key |
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| 20:50.16 | Stskeeps | T3rmy: n810? |
| 20:50.37 | T3rmy | yeap |
| 20:50.42 | Stskeeps | known issue |
| 20:50.46 | Stskeeps | working on it atm |
| 20:50.49 | T3rmy | (and also where is the power off button?) |
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| 20:51.26 | T3rmy | how may I restart???? |
| 20:51.35 | T3rmy | the power button doesn't |
| 20:51.41 | T3rmy | work :S |
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| 20:53.04 | Macer | hm... |
| 20:53.49 | Stskeeps | T3rmy: terminal, sudo reboot |
| 20:54.25 | T3rmy | can't I show up the screen-keyboard? |
| 20:54.51 | Stskeeps | yes you can, as far as i know |
| 20:54.58 | Stskeeps | tap the console |
| 20:55.23 | T3rmy | yes... |
| 20:55.27 | T3rmy | in console |
| 20:55.31 | T3rmy | in fennec? |
| 20:56.04 | Macer | hm |
| 20:56.15 | Macer | i'm guessing you don't have repositories by default? |
| 20:56.22 | Macer | i just switched to red pill mode |
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| 20:56.42 | T3rmy | Macer: talking to me? |
| 20:56.42 | Macer | and don't have new things to install haha |
| 20:57.03 | T3rmy | Macer: talking to me? |
| 20:57.09 | Macer | no |
| 20:57.12 | Macer | Stskeeps |
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| 20:57.53 | Stskeeps | Macer: did you enable the |
| 20:58.01 | Stskeeps | show all packages thing in tools -> settings |
| 20:58.03 | Stskeeps | or something |
| 20:58.51 | Macer | don't see that option anywhere |
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| 21:01.05 | Stskeeps | mm, well it comes when you active red pill, for the session |
| 21:01.21 | Macer | i did activate it |
| 21:02.27 | Macer | oh |
| 21:02.31 | Macer | ok.. it just popped up.. wierd |
| 21:03.20 | Macer | ugh.. this 2nd menu is irking the shit out of me :) |
| 21:03.24 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 21:03.31 | Macer | this would be very awesome if it wasn't there anymore :) |
| 21:04.24 | Macer | should have installed the power monitor first |
| 21:04.31 | Macer | it's updating the reps now |
| 21:04.54 | Stskeeps | the load applet thing is in top |
| 21:04.55 | Macer | i have to seriously figure out a way to get rid of one of these damn menus though.. it's like driving a car with a broken rearview mirror |
| 21:05.06 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: can you delete hildon-theme-selector? |
| 21:05.20 | Macer | is the menu a process? |
| 21:06.16 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: source and everything? |
| 21:07.05 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: yep. I've got it here & I've added the control panel applet. I'm just generating the changelog entry. |
| 21:07.07 | Stskeeps | Macer: think you might need to restart hildon for it to act nicely, not sure. find what causes it and we will fix it in a heartbeat :P |
| 21:07.30 | Macer | heh |
| 21:07.41 | Macer | let me install a few things on it first and see if i can fix it |
| 21:07.59 | Macer | i'm still waiting for the reps to update |
| 21:08.09 | Macer | in red pill mode ... i'm guessing this will take quite a while heh |
| 21:08.22 | Macer | then i'll restart hildon and see what happens |
| 21:08.59 | Macer | this will actually be great once i'm able to get rid of this 2nd menu |
| 21:10.05 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: done |
| 21:10.22 | qwerty12_N800 | k |
| 21:11.56 | Macer | so just killall -HUP hildon-desktop ? |
| 21:12.53 | Macer | wow.. these are a lot of pkgs |
| 21:13.39 | Stskeeps | yup |
| 21:13.55 | Macer | ok... will try it once this is done updating |
| 21:14.05 | Macer | looks like it might take a while heh |
| 21:14.16 | Stskeeps | i dont think HAM was even built for that |
| 21:14.17 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:15.30 | Macer | hm... |
| 21:15.45 | Macer | i think killall -HUP hildon-desktop was not a good thing haha |
| 21:16.34 | Macer | looks like i am going to ahve another pull the battery moment :) |
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| 21:18.38 | Macer | nope.. still 2 menus |
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| 21:20.18 | Macer | wtf |
| 21:20.36 | Macer | just had a crash :) for raising the volume of the sound? |
| 21:20.40 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 21:20.41 | Stskeeps | no sound |
| 21:20.45 | Stskeeps | also, dont touch rotation |
| 21:20.45 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 21:22.04 | Macer | haha.. Stskeeps .. it looks very good.. and a very probable replacement for maemo |
| 21:22.12 | Macer | but it is way too immature for actual use |
| 21:22.13 | Stskeeps | well, on tablets |
| 21:22.20 | Stskeeps | and i agree, we have a way to go |
| 21:22.27 | Stskeeps | but what we have accomplished so far, is impressive |
| 21:22.39 | Stskeeps | i mean, timeless has actually put most of diablo on top :P |
| 21:22.58 | Macer | it really is very nice... and has a ton of potential |
| 21:23.02 | Stskeeps | i am sitting and chatting from you from Mer on my Via C3 1ghz laptop. |
| 21:23.07 | Stskeeps | from=to |
| 21:23.19 | Macer | heh |
| 21:23.26 | Macer | but i am going to try android out ;) |
| 21:23.31 | Macer | until mer gets nicer |
| 21:23.40 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 21:23.53 | Macer | you might want to make the install program wipe the bootmenu data on a fresh install |
| 21:23.57 | Macer | or give the option to do so |
| 21:24.12 | Stskeeps | nah, its intentional we only touch our own |
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| 21:24.19 | Stskeeps | when we get the clone to SD people to use bootmenu.d.. |
| 21:24.56 | Macer | i see... but it would be nice for a freestyle mindless install |
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| 21:27.37 | Stskeeps | yeah, admittedly |
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| 21:27.54 | Stskeeps | but the idea is that we dont want to wipe others bootmenu data, cos thats what everyone else does, we want a grub-like menu :P |
| 21:28.55 | Macer | i see |
| 21:29.10 | Macer | well.. i'm going to wipe my sd now |
| 21:29.11 | Macer | ;) |
| 21:29.19 | Stskeeps | have fun |
| 21:29.28 | Macer | and work on getting android on it although from what i can tell.. it's even more of a pain |
| 21:29.39 | Macer | ddid you guys give up on deblet? |
| 21:29.48 | Macer | and focus strictly on mer? |
| 21:30.43 | qwerty12_N800 | Did solca get the kexec stuff in nitdroid btw? |
| 21:31.10 | Stskeeps | Macer: mer is the successor of deblet so |
| 21:31.56 | Stskeeps | and mer can do most things deblet would have been able to, so |
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| 21:34.01 | Stskeeps | T3rmy: if you are still around, you should try sudo apt-get update; apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-evdev; reboot, and see if it helps on Fn problems. |
| 21:35.41 | T3rmy | Stskeeps: I will do it now |
| 21:35.45 | T3rmy | something more |
| 21:36.07 | T3rmy | do you know if in midori in any text box may I turn on the scren keyboard? |
| 21:36.12 | Stskeeps | no clue |
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| 21:36.27 | Stskeeps | lo b-man |
| 21:36.29 | Stskeeps | that bad? |
| 21:37.26 | b-man|soaked | i had to walk a mile in heavy rain :P |
| 21:37.48 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 21:38.13 | Stskeeps | i had my tablet and a laptop along in the worst rain storm ive ever been in.. im surprised they both survived that trip |
| 21:38.29 | b-man|soaked | hehe |
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| 21:39.10 | b-man|soaked | i mostly had to walk because my parents never showed up at my practice :P |
| 21:39.48 | Interocitor | haha pwned |
| 21:40.04 | Interocitor | my parents always showed up at mine :) |
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| 21:41.09 | b-man|soaked | mine too, but not today :P |
| 21:41.20 | Interocitor | :P |
| 21:42.32 | b-man|soaked | Stskeeps: btw, i'll try building those blueman packages today, i was having technical issues yesterday and i wasn't able to build them :\ |
| 21:42.48 | Stskeeps | b-man|soaked: hehe, its fine, i had them conflict with our gtk i think |
| 21:43.00 | b-man|soaked | hmm |
| 21:43.05 | Stskeeps | b-man|soaked: btw, i have built a new -evdev package, it may solve your Fn problems on n810 too |
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| 21:43.19 | b-man|soaked | cool :) |
| 21:43.43 | b-man|soaked | hello, qwerty12_N800 :) |
| 21:43.48 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i think you added a space in the front of your message |
| 21:43.53 | Stskeeps | and then the builder didnt pick it up |
| 21:44.05 | qwerty12_N800 | hi b-man|soaked :) |
| 21:44.12 | b-man|soaked | hehe |
| 21:44.17 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: damn :/ |
| 21:46.52 | Stskeeps | grrs at ports.ubuntu.com |
| 21:53.24 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: 1) can you check if your imager has kernel-diablo-modules in foundations/mer, if not, 2) see if kernel-diablo-modules are no longer in the resulting image, btw |
| 21:53.29 | T3rmy | Stskeeps: we' ve got a problem... |
| 21:53.32 | Stskeeps | then i can make another thing green |
| 21:53.40 | b-man|soaked | trys adding a navigation menu to bman.maemobox.org/projects/ubuntu-n8x0/screenshots/gallery.html to see how it looks |
| 21:53.48 | T3rmy | after apt-get update; apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-evdev; reboot |
| 21:53.59 | T3rmy | I can't boot in mer :S |
| 21:54.27 | Stskeeps | how far does it get? |
| 21:55.00 | T3rmy | it completed the whole procedure |
| 21:55.01 | Stskeeps | and it only installed evdev right? |
| 21:55.10 | T3rmy | yes |
| 21:55.14 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: I got an error on trying to install HAM last run |
| 21:55.20 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: oh, right, yeah |
| 21:55.24 | Stskeeps | im working on that atm |
| 21:55.25 | T3rmy | Broadcast message from tmpt@tmpt-tablet |
| 21:55.26 | T3rmy | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:55.31 | T3rmy | was the last message |
| 21:55.35 | T3rmy | (sorry for the flood) |
| 21:55.36 | oli | ivideochat.com doesn't work under maemo/microb |
| 21:56.13 | b-man|soaked | T3rmy: everyone floods this channel sometimes ;) |
| 21:56.24 | Stskeeps | T3rmy: mm, enable rescue menu (hold down home key), and select the console item |
| 21:58.59 | T3rmy | in maemo? |
| 22:00.09 | Stskeeps | in mer, just after selecting it in boot menu and pressing center/enter |
| 22:00.20 | T3rmy | I can't boot in mer... |
| 22:00.30 | T3rmy | I reboot and hole the Menu key |
| 22:00.34 | Stskeeps | it doesnt even get to the splash screen? |
| 22:00.38 | Stskeeps | as in the pretty mer logo |
| 22:00.48 | T3rmy | but it only boots in maemo (as never had been er) |
| 22:01.00 | T3rmy | exactly... :( |
| 22:01.25 | Stskeeps | so it doesnt show the mer splash? strange |
| 22:01.32 | Stskeeps | reboot, hold down menu key until boot menu shows up? |
| 22:01.40 | T3rmy | yes... |
| 22:01.54 | T3rmy | previously it showed also the text about |
| 22:02.01 | T3rmy | holding menu key |
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| 22:02.11 | Stskeeps | hmm |
| 22:02.24 | Stskeeps | run utilities->install bootmenu |
| 22:02.25 | ShutteR77 | Hi there. |
| 22:02.27 | Stskeeps | again, and it may work |
| 22:02.29 | Stskeeps | lo ShutteR77 |
| 22:03.00 | T3rmy | i try it now |
| 22:03.09 | ShutteR77 | Are you alredy read this news - http://www.andreagrandi.it/2009/02/11/maemo-on-google-summer-of-code-2009/ ? |
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| 22:03.52 | Stskeeps | ShutteR77: yeah, VDVsx spoke of it earlier |
| 22:03.57 | *** part/#maemo richieeee72 (n=richard@host81-158-68-62.range81-158.btcentralplus.com) |
| 22:04.11 | T3rmy | ShutteR77: it is like code jam last year? |
| 22:04.44 | ShutteR77 | T3rmy, yech |
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| 22:04.58 | T3rmy | pretty good :) |
| 22:05.14 | T3rmy | best utility for maemo :) |
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| 22:06.12 | ShutteR77 | I reading my friend feed and faind this news |
| 22:06.23 | ShutteR77 | find* |
| 22:06.46 | ShutteR77 | Are you use friend feed too? |
| 22:06.59 | Stskeeps | boots his tablet into mer |
| 22:07.02 | T3rmy | Stskeeps: congrats... |
| 22:07.07 | T3rmy | it worked |
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| 22:07.15 | Stskeeps | T3rmy: good |
| 22:07.18 | T3rmy | now about the pacage you gave me |
| 22:07.25 | T3rmy | it was for the Fn keys? |
| 22:07.27 | Stskeeps | yes |
| 22:07.37 | T3rmy | did it worked on you? |
| 22:07.41 | T3rmy | *work |
| 22:07.52 | Stskeeps | i dont have a n810 |
| 22:08.54 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: thanks to timeless and yours truly, we've now got a fully functional theme selector that can be ran from hildon desktop's drop down menu with 'select theme' (and the control panel) :) |
| 22:09.35 | timelE61i | sts: so |
| 22:09.38 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: woo |
| 22:09.57 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: package name |
| 22:10.01 | Stskeeps | ? |
| 22:10.05 | timelE61i | I'm about 5 strings from a 0.1.2 beta |
| 22:10.09 | b-man|soaked | qwerty12_N800: awsome :) |
| 22:10.26 | timelE61i | I should have it in 30 mins |
| 22:10.27 | Stskeeps | timelE61i: alright, fixed the 'other strings' issue? |
| 22:10.29 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: hildon-theme-selector (metapackage) |
| 22:10.32 | T3rmy | Stskeeps: the Fn buttons still don't work. In case that I would try to fill some text boxes.. how would it be possible? |
| 22:10.35 | qwerty12_N800 | b-man: :) |
| 22:10.46 | timelE61i | It won't include other locale pos |
| 22:10.48 | Stskeeps | k |
| 22:11.03 | T3rmy | (is there any way to have always on the screenkeyboard?) |
| 22:12.23 | b-man | T3rmy: you could install matchbox-keyboard or xkbd |
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| 22:13.54 | T3rmy | directly in mer? |
| 22:14.06 | T3rmy | (which do you prefer?) |
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| 22:14.36 | b-man | in mer or in a chroot is fine :) |
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| 22:17.21 | T3rmy | b-man: should I restart? |
| 22:17.21 | timelE61i | sts: so, I'm about 5 strings from a 0.1.2 beta. I should have it in 30 mins. It won't include other locale pos |
| 22:18.29 | b-man | T2rmy: if you are in mer allrety, you shuld be able to install it from apt and run it from there |
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| 22:19.04 | b-man | or application manager) |
| 22:19.10 | T3rmy | I installed matchbox-keyboard |
| 22:19.17 | Stskeeps | timelE61i: sounds good :) |
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| 22:19.26 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: thumbs up on this package :) |
| 22:19.32 | Stskeeps | (and thanks to timeless too) |
| 22:20.20 | T3rmy | the x.. |
| 22:20.25 | T3rmy | there isn't |
| 22:20.45 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: :) |
| 22:22.32 | qwerty12_N800 | the sdk icon for themes is rather fugly :p |
| 22:22.54 | T3rmy | b-man: the other keyboard how is it named exactly? |
| 22:23.08 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: yes, it is |
| 22:23.28 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: works a charm. just tested with tritanium from extras and plankton |
| 22:23.42 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: butever doubleclicking themes icon may show multiple dialogs up |
| 22:23.52 | Stskeeps | as in, its not a singleton |
| 22:24.05 | b-man | T3rmy: you will need to install xkbd manually, it isn't available from mer/ubuntu repos, you will need to install it manually; http://pupnik.de/xkbd.html |
| 22:24.25 | b-man | ahh, i hate this keyboard :P |
| 22:24.43 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: adding to mer foundation |
| 22:24.55 | b-man | (hildon-input-method) |
| 22:25.54 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: that can be fixed in the bash script that runs the perl script (cpl doesn't agree with system() & .pl scripts) easily, maybe I'll do so when I'm at a computer - my wrists are a little weird atm :) |
| 22:26.03 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: hehe |
| 22:26.12 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: someone should really donate you a BT keyboard or something :P |
| 22:26.35 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: feel free to mark it 100% as i just tested it too |
| 22:26.44 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe, Addison offered once :D |
| 22:27.37 | T3rmy | b-man: the install file? |
| 22:27.41 | T3rmy | which one? |
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| 22:28.16 | b-man | try the os2008 version - that one worked for me ;9 |
| 22:28.23 | b-man | ;) |
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| 22:29.19 | Stskeeps | b-man: so what are the major differences from the installer in bzr and the one you have atm? |
| 22:29.19 | T3rmy | OS2008 xkbd deb ??? |
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| 22:29.44 | Stskeeps | lo daperl |
| 22:30.00 | timelE61i | sts: but first i have to fight vpn |
| 22:30.06 | b-man | T3rmy: OS2008 |
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| 22:30.21 | Stskeeps | timelE61i: i read that as 'fight you' and got a little scared :P |
| 22:31.02 | b-man | Stskeeps: just a fuew tweeks to fix some variable problems |
| 22:32.35 | Macer | hm |
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| 22:33.41 | Stskeeps | b-man: alright.. well let us get them into the bzr. got time now to take a glance? |
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| 22:35.21 | daperl | Stskeeps, how are things? I'm in parenting mode so my productivity will suffer for the next 5 days. But I have all the basic building blocks ready to go. |
| 22:35.50 | Stskeeps | daperl: good good, and fair enough on productivity, mine has been bad this week too - laptop fan has keeled over |
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| 22:35.53 | b-man | Stskeeps: yes, but i'm having issues obtaining one of the bzr keys nessasary for me to upload changes to merinstaller on launchpad |
| 22:36.06 | Stskeeps | b-man: ok, ssh-keygen -t rsa usually does the trick |
| 22:36.16 | Stskeeps | and then contents of ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub onto lp |
| 22:36.59 | b-man | Stskeeps: it is a different key, i allrety have a ssh key uploaded |
| 22:37.12 | b-man | *diffrent |
| 22:37.24 | Stskeeps | mm, and it fails to work for you? |
| 22:37.32 | b-man | yes :( |
| 22:37.41 | Stskeeps | does the ssh key match the one you have on the account you are using bzr from? |
| 22:37.49 | b-man | yes |
| 22:39.06 | Stskeeps | and the ssh key you have upload is in ~/.ssh/id_rsa and id_rsa.pub (or id_dsa and id_dsa.pub) |
| 22:39.07 | b-man | yes |
| 22:39.46 | daperl | Stskeeps, bummer. About a week ago, I lost a day after my dev machine had an MBR failure. Good luck. |
| 22:40.21 | Stskeeps | daperl: ah, thank god i have learnt my lesson about backups after losing pictures and code since 2003 |
| 22:40.32 | Stskeeps | b-man: hmm. |
| 22:40.42 | Stskeeps | b-man: what do you do to try and upload? |
| 22:40.58 | timelE61i | Sts: bummer, i don't have internet access from home |
| 22:41.26 | Stskeeps | b-man: did you set your bzr launchpad-login correctly? |
| 22:42.23 | b-man | Stskeeps; i believe so |
| 22:42.49 | Stskeeps | that is, bzr launchpad-login yourlaunchpadlogin |
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| 22:44.57 | daperl | Stskeeps, I didn't lose anything; my partition table was intact. But the surgery took a while. What's a backup? |
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| 22:45.22 | wazd_n800 | GeneralAntilles, around?) |
| 22:46.09 | Stskeeps | daperl: it is what you wish you had when you lose most of your pictural memories because when you were fixing your file server did the stupid decision to migrate a hd in the backup system from one building to another.. and on the way, the hd falls out of the plastic bag on to the very hard concrete slab underneath |
| 22:47.08 | b-man | Stskeeps: it is telling me "The user b-man has not registered any SSH keys with Launchpad." ---- but i do have a ssh key registered in launchpad but it doesn't seem to se it :P |
| 22:47.10 | timelE61i | sts: ever actually done that? |
| 22:47.37 | b-man | re: see |
| 22:47.52 | wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, I'm finishing Ti's and starting freerunner ui btw) |
| 22:48.00 | Stskeeps | wazd_n800: hehe, alright |
| 22:48.10 | Stskeeps | timelE61i: yes, which is why i have backups now. |
| 22:48.19 | Stskeeps | b-man: sure its b-man? hmm |
| 22:48.27 | timelE61i | Wow |
| 22:48.28 | Stskeeps | i thought your login was mcbekanize or something |
| 22:48.50 | b-man | it's b-man |
| 22:48.53 | timelE61i | Sts: so... I'm probably going to punt on releasing |
| 22:49.01 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: settled on http://pastebin.com/m57fec5f0 for the multiple theme window thing |
| 22:49.10 | timelE61i | Not having working internet/vpn makes this too hard |
| 22:49.30 | daperl | thinks: "note to self -- do backups tomorrow" |
| 22:49.49 | wazd_n800 | GeneralAntilles, I forgot, do you want 84 or 83+ Hello Kitty skin?) |
| 22:50.33 | b-man | lol |
| 22:51.26 | wazd_n800 | 84 was really tough one |
| 22:52.11 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: please ping me when you have the HAM sorted out |
| 22:52.12 | Stskeeps | b-man: your login is mckenzba |
| 22:52.55 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: will do, its a bit awkward error |
| 22:53.42 | Stskeeps | b-man: so try with that |
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| 22:54.24 | b-man | Stskeeps; it's working now |
| 22:54.26 | b-man | is an idiot XP |
| 22:54.29 | Stskeeps | b-man: hehe |
| 22:55.14 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: aren't they always? ;) thanks |
| 22:55.17 | b-man | finally can apply updates |
| 22:55.35 | Stskeeps | yay |
| 22:57.47 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: well this one is stranger than most :P |
| 22:58.13 | t3rminat0r | b-man: I can't close the matchbox-keyboard .... |
| 22:58.16 | t3rminat0r | any ideas? |
| 22:58.33 | Stskeeps | t3rminat0r: i thought you wanted on screen keyboard on, all the time :) |
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| 23:01.35 | Macer | blah :) |
| 23:01.53 | t3rminat0r | Stskeeps: but now I need to close it....:S |
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| 23:02.06 | Stskeeps | t3rminat0r: killall -9 matchbox-keyboard |
| 23:02.11 | t3rminat0r | I press the same button that I pressed.... |
| 23:02.15 | t3rminat0r | ohhhhhhhhhhhh god.. |
| 23:02.25 | t3rminat0r | I forget that I use linux |
| 23:02.27 | t3rminat0r | :) |
| 23:02.30 | b-man | hehe |
| 23:02.54 | Stskeeps | b-man: keep me updated when the bzr is fully updated.. branch off the one already there |
| 23:03.16 | b-man | Stskeeps: ok :) |
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| 23:09.09 | b-man | Stskeeps; hmm, i'm getting a "Committing to: /merinstaller/.... bzr: ERROR: no changes to commit. use --unchanged to commit anyhow" error :/ |
| 23:09.45 | b-man | but i used bzr commit -m "Fixed an issue with fuser and tweeked a fuew variables" |
| 23:10.45 | timelE61i | bzr status |
| 23:10.55 | timelE61i | bzr diff |
| 23:11.04 | b-man | thanks |
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| 23:14.57 | Stskeeps | bbl sleep |
| 23:18.07 | luke-jr | hum |
| 23:18.16 | luke-jr | does N810 use standard power adapters? |
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| 23:24.58 | t_s_o | iirc, yes, it uses a standard nokia charger |
| 23:25.04 | Macer | hm |
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| 23:30.08 | AStorm | luke-jr, nokia plug |
| 23:30.12 | AStorm | these are AC-4e |
| 23:30.18 | AStorm | you need ones with at least 800 mA output and the small nokia plug |
| 23:30.24 | AStorm | most "replacements" deliver only 400-500 mA |
| 23:30.30 | AStorm | AC-4e delivers 890 mA |
| 23:30.46 | AStorm | t_s_o, "standard" |
| 23:30.50 | AStorm | why nokia couldn't even use a normal 5V plug.. |
| 23:30.56 | AStorm | or especially the USB port. |
| 23:30.58 | AStorm | just add a second one |
| 23:31.00 | AStorm | it'd easily fit |
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| 23:32.58 | Macer | well |
| 23:35.14 | t_s_o | AStorm: standard for all recent nokia phones at least ;) |
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| 23:35.59 | t_s_o | sure, usb charging would have been nice, but i suspect that nokia used what they had available in terms of hardware, more often then not... |
| 23:38.56 | Mek | if it needs > 500 mA, usb charging wouldn't be really possible anyway... |
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| 23:43.04 | luke-jr | common in walmarts? :/ |
| 23:45.36 | luke-jr | eg, should I buy a N810 w/ no charger for $155? :þ |
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| 23:47.14 | luke-jr | $167 I mean |
| 23:47.59 | benson[away] | luke-jr: You can find compatible chargers in Walmart, but not the same current rating. |
| 23:48.12 | luke-jr | :/ |
| 23:48.30 | benson[away] | They'll charge slower, and may not be enough to maintain a constant charge under heavy usage while plugged in. |
| 23:48.41 | luke-jr | likely I can get a good charger for $10? :þ |
| 23:49.14 | benson | But they will charge eventually (overnight) and you can do typical usage without it going backwards. |
| 23:49.31 | benson | A good enough one, imho. |
| 23:49.59 | benson | Other options include USB charging cables, for ~$2 at dealextreme. |
| 23:50.18 | luke-jr | I thought someoen just said N810 wouldn't take a charge via USB |
| 23:50.29 | benson | But unless you have a singularly stronmg USB port, they are as bad as the walmart chargers or worse. |
| 23:50.49 | benson | They have a USB port on one end, and a 2mm jack on the other end. |
| 23:51.12 | benson | But 5V isn't really enough... |
| 23:51.13 | luke-jr | oh, so it's data OR charge? |
| 23:51.33 | benson | They're handy though, with USB pattery packs that often output 6V or so. |
| 23:51.47 | luke-jr | hm |
| 23:51.57 | benson | No, the N810 has a 2mm power port, and a microUSB data port. |
| 23:52.17 | AStorm | Mek, it works w/ <500mA, but charges slowly when used |
| 23:52.32 | benson | The cables I'm talking about plug into the PC's USB port and the N810's power port. |
| 23:52.34 | AStorm | benh, 5V is enough |
| 23:52.38 | AStorm | sorry |
| 23:52.44 | AStorm | benson, it is enough |
| 23:52.46 | benson | You can still use another cable for data. |
| 23:52.49 | luke-jr | $167 for a N810 minus AC adapter.. what do yuo think? |
| 23:53.05 | AStorm | luke-jr, cheap |
| 23:53.10 | luke-jr | get it? |
| 23:53.14 | benson | AStorm: I've heard it only gets to 80% or so with many USB ports? |
| 23:53.33 | benson | luke-jr: I'd consider it a good deal. |
| 23:53.37 | AStorm | 80%? voltage? |
| 23:53.47 | benson | 80% charge state. |
| 23:53.52 | AStorm | nah |
| 23:54.09 | AStorm | 90% or so |
| 23:54.27 | AStorm | the problem is ofc current-limited charge phase of li-ion |
| 23:54.53 | benson | I only got some USB cables yesterday, but it only went to 75% with my USB battery (left it on for ~1 hour at 75%) |
| 23:55.09 | benson | But I'm willing to consider my battery pack is out of regulation. ;) |
| 23:55.29 | AStorm | it probably fails to delivr rated 500 mA |
| 23:55.32 | benson | It did mesh with what I've heard elsewhere, though. |
| 23:56.14 | benson | heheh, you're right. it's rated 5V 350mA. |
| 23:56.18 | luke-jr | got it for $177.01 |
| 23:57.28 | benson | luke-jr: for the difference between that and new (~$220), you could probably buy a well-used 770 with charger (it's the same). |
| 23:57.41 | benson | Have fun with it! |
| 23:57.57 | luke-jr | new is ~$220 now? :o |
| 23:58.09 | luke-jr | hm |
| 23:58.14 | luke-jr | how is the included car charger? |
| 23:58.19 | luke-jr | could I just leave it in the car? |
| 23:58.40 | benson | I don't think a car charger is included? It wasn't with my N800... |
| 23:58.58 | luke-jr | :o |
| 23:59.15 | benson | But I found a $6 car charger I picked up was stronger than a (similarly cheap) wall charger, |
| 23:59.27 | benson | it was on par with the Nokia AC4U wall charger. |
