| 00:00.22 | wazd | Thats what n8*0 should be at home :) |
| 00:01.03 | johnx | there's a chumby-player or something I've seen for the n8x0 |
| 00:01.09 | johnx | on itt |
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| 00:02.09 | brdusr | wazd the display on the chumby is also 800x480? |
| 00:02.35 | johnx | 320x240 |
| 00:02.41 | wazd | brdusr: It's 320x240 |
| 00:02.45 | wazd | aw( |
| 00:02.53 | wazd | Why Japan is so fast :) |
| 00:02.54 | brdusr | ok :-) |
| 00:03.06 | johnx | wazd, I'm in the future :) |
| 00:03.12 | johnx | it's already 9AM here O_o |
| 00:03.29 | wazd | johnx: cool :) |
| 00:03.35 | johnx | actually, time to get moving. 'later all :) |
| 00:03.45 | wazd | johnx: saionara xD |
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| 00:04.11 | brdusr | bye johnx have a nice day |
| 00:04.54 | Jucato | sayonara |
| 00:06.26 | brdusr | sometimes my tablet hanging and i have to restart ... with diablo is it normal? |
| 00:09.37 | lcuk | depends on usage and apps - i only ever have to when i cocked my code up |
| 00:12.32 | brdusr | most of it comes when loading applets like omweather and load applet |
| 00:12.34 | Jucato | has had that with reliably with one app.. "ksnip" iirc |
| 00:13.04 | Jucato | or something.. forgot which.. but it's a picture taking app based on illumination (or was it illuminati) |
| 00:13.42 | brdusr | Oo |
| 00:13.44 | brdusr | ~~ |
| 00:13.45 | infobot | Every moment in which I'm called upon is torture. |
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| 00:14.18 | brdusr | infobot ? |
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| 00:14.46 | b-man | ~shag |
| 00:14.46 | infobot | ACTION strips and bends over.. give it to me baby ;) |
| 00:14.56 | brdusr | LOL |
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| 00:15.07 | b-man | yuck!!! XP |
| 00:15.21 | Jucato | O.o |
| 00:15.53 | GeneralAntilles | ~$50 |
| 00:15.54 | infobot | ACTION takes the cash and sucks generalantilles off |
| 00:15.57 | brdusr | b-man you are a it-hero :-D |
| 00:16.01 | GeneralAntilles | Sick bot. ;) |
| 00:16.07 | b-man | lol |
| 00:16.12 | GeneralAntilles | Bad infobot! |
| 00:16.39 | qwerty12_N800 | ~hump |
| 00:16.40 | infobot | ACTION humps the channel |
| 00:16.46 | b-man | lol |
| 00:17.13 | qwerty12_N800 | infobot, wipe me down |
| 00:17.13 | infobot | # dd if=/dev/zero of=me down |
| 00:17.32 | qwerty12_N800 | Hmm, not the wipe I was hoping for :) |
| 00:17.34 | b-man | 0_o ??? |
| 00:17.48 | b-man | infobot: strip |
| 00:17.48 | infobot | Secure password and account manager for Palm Pilots.. URL: http://www.zetetic.net/products.html#strip |
| 00:18.19 | b-man | ... |
| 00:18.31 | wazd | infobot: relax |
| 00:18.49 | qwerty12_N800 | give qwerty12_N800 blowjob |
| 00:18.54 | qwerty12_N800 | ~give qwerty12_N800 blowjob |
| 00:18.55 | infobot | ACTION gives blowjob to qwerty12_N800 |
| 00:19.00 | qwerty12_N800 | even :/ |
| 00:19.07 | b-man | infobot: kill GeneralAntilles |
| 00:19.07 | infobot | ACTION shoots a excited anti-photon gun at GeneralAntilles |
| 00:19.10 | wazd | omfg) |
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| 00:19.29 | b-man | infobot: attack GeneralAntilles |
| 00:19.30 | infobot | ACTION grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing GeneralAntilles |
| 00:19.35 | b-man | lol |
| 00:19.49 | qwerty12_N800 | Ok, it's 12:19AM here, I shouldn't be feeling so fucked up :) |
| 00:19.51 | benson | infobot's a she, now. |
| 00:19.56 | benson | O.o |
| 00:19.56 | brdusr | MER dosnt start -.- i let it be ... anyone sells a gameboy? |
| 00:20.05 | b-man | hehe |
| 00:20.10 | wazd | 3:19 here) |
| 00:20.39 | b-man | 7:18 here :) |
| 00:20.40 | benson | 19:20 here :P |
| 00:20.41 | b-man | pm |
| 00:21.09 | qwerty12_N800 | Lets all CTCP TIME each other! |
| 00:22.00 | b-man | 21:27 in CTCP here ;( |
| 00:22.10 | b-man | ;) |
| 00:22.25 | brdusr | or at the boot sequence, have i push a special button to start another OS ??? |
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| 00:27.28 | sisto | brdusr: what are you trying to do? |
| 00:27.40 | sisto | is mer like the community version of maemo? |
| 00:27.58 | brdusr | try to install mer |
| 00:28.02 | benson | ~mer |
| 00:28.03 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer |
| 00:28.07 | GeneralAntilles | sisto, basically. |
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| 00:28.13 | sisto | nvm |
| 00:28.15 | sisto | i read it |
| 00:28.21 | sisto | it's based on jaunty |
| 00:28.22 | sisto | thx |
| 00:29.34 | sisto | to whoever tried it: what is better on mer than on maemo? |
| 00:30.03 | benson | build environment |
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| 00:30.23 | brdusr | ok i will try it again tomorrow ... now i have to sleep |
| 00:30.28 | benson | default wallpaper |
| 00:30.58 | brdusr | bye all |
| 00:31.02 | brdusr | see you soon |
| 00:32.09 | genewitch | my new battery came in |
| 00:38.15 | b-man | starts to listen to "all amarican rejects gives you hell" on his tablet |
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| 01:13.08 | k-factor | Hi, I am trying to run a web application in full screen mode to hide the browser... |
| 01:13.22 | k-factor | but every time I load a new page, it temporarily shows an address bar together with scrollbars. |
| 01:13.28 | k-factor | Does anyone know how to disable it? |
| 01:13.44 | k-factor | On Nokia N810 |
| 01:14.31 | benson | I don't think you can. |
| 01:15.00 | benson | But maybe make a page with a frane, and load the different pages inside that. |
| 01:15.34 | benson | I don't know if that would suit your application, or even if it would avoid the titlebar... |
| 01:16.56 | GeneralAntilles | A lot of people want to use these things in "kiosk" mode |
| 01:17.02 | GeneralAntilles | Makes me think somebody should support it. :P |
| 01:18.32 | benson | Speaking of kisosk modes... I pulled a cool xcsreensaver trick. |
| 01:19.08 | benson | I make xscreensaver run in runlevel 5, i.e., charging the battery while "powered off". |
| 01:20.05 | benson | Not helpful (and slows down the charge), but cool looking. |
| 01:22.27 | benson | It made me think about rigging, e.g., Canola to run, for use in a car dock; you apply power, it comes up, remove power, shut' |
| 01:22.32 | benson | s down. |
| 01:23.04 | lcuk | o_O |
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| 01:27.16 | GeneralAntilles | I want Maemo + Beagle for car usage |
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| 01:27.45 | ppires | hi there |
| 01:28.01 | ppires | qwerty12_N800: it seems busybox does not have ipv6 support by default |
| 01:28.27 | ppires | does anyone here know where can i find a suitable busybox with IPv6 support for diablo? |
| 01:28.51 | ppires | tried http://ipv6.willab.fi/apt/dists/diablo/user/binary-armel/busybox-ipv6/ |
| 01:29.01 | ppires | but it's not accepted by packet managet |
| 01:29.02 | ppires | manager |
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| 01:35.53 | k-factor | Regarding kiosk mode. Is it much work to embed browser rendering engine in the desktop application? |
| 01:41.11 | ppires | nvm, manual install worked out |
| 01:41.19 | ppires | but in red-pill mode it didn't .. hmm |
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| 01:42.41 | sandman | Has anyone else been having terrific problems with their n810's screen being badly inaccurate? |
| 01:43.21 | sandman | I called Nokia, and they're supposed people are effing useless. |
| 01:43.28 | sandman | support people, rather. |
| 01:43.36 | sandman | Anyway, I was wondering if you guys could lend a hand; |
| 01:43.58 | sandman | When I tap the screen on the Nokia, it'll actually register the tap as much as 20 pixels away |
| 01:45.45 | Jucato | even after recalibrating the touchscreen? |
| 01:45.47 | benson | Calibrate it? |
| 01:46.06 | sandman | Yes |
| 01:46.11 | sandman | Even after recalibrating it |
| 01:46.31 | sandman | I only just got this thing 3 hours ago |
| 01:46.45 | benson | Bad all over, or just in regions? |
| 01:46.48 | Jucato | hasn't had that...got this 2 weeks ago |
| 01:47.10 | benson | My N800 gradually developed nonlinearity over _months_. |
| 01:47.20 | sandman | This is horrible |
| 01:47.27 | sandman | I can't even use the scrollbars on the right |
| 01:47.27 | benson | So now it's wrong in places no matter how I calibrate. |
| 01:47.28 | sandman | It's so bad |
| 01:47.32 | sandman | Yeah |
| 01:47.41 | sandman | Mine's like that now. I wonder if they actually sent me a refurbished one |
| 01:47.47 | benson | But not to start with, and still not that bad. |
| 01:47.54 | sandman | Well, it doesn't matter. I suppose I'll just return the damn thing. |
| 01:48.24 | ppires | allright!! mipv6 up and running yeahhh |
| 01:48.34 | sandman | If Nokia's support didn't lie to my face repeatedly... |
| 01:49.08 | GeneralAntilles | sandman, get it repaired under warranty? |
| 01:49.36 | lcuk | no way, if its faulty from the start get it replaced |
| 01:49.44 | lcuk | no point in having a lemon from the start |
| 01:50.02 | sandman | generalantilles: I _just_ got the thing |
| 01:50.11 | GeneralAntilles | Oh |
| 01:50.13 | GeneralAntilles | Well, RMA it. |
| 01:50.23 | lcuk | you go for repairs after months of use when its unreasonable to assume it had the fault in the box |
| 01:50.25 | GeneralAntilles | sandman, who'd you get it from? |
| 01:50.25 | GeneralAntilles | Buy? |
| 01:50.26 | sandman | I've been reading at the forums that this is a rather repeated problem |
| 01:50.31 | sandman | generalantilles: Wal-Mart |
| 01:50.34 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 01:50.39 | sandman | For $240 |
| 01:50.42 | GeneralAntilles | Return it and get it from buy.com next time it goes on sale. |
| 01:50.44 | GeneralAntilles | $220 |
| 01:50.57 | lcuk | sandman, all touchscreens are susecptable to damage, go look on nintendo ds lites - they have more because the kids bash them |
| 01:51.20 | Jucato | yay for $450 N810's :( |
| 01:51.23 | sandman | I think maybe I'll just return it and not get another one. I should have known better. I bought the n800 back when it first came out then, too |
| 01:51.24 | ljp | we have seneral n810's and havent seen a calibration issue |
| 01:51.25 | FireFox | lol |
| 01:51.29 | sandman | And its camera was broken thoroughly |
| 01:51.40 | sandman | So I had to return that, too. |
| 01:51.47 | Jucato | ljp: senile n810's? |
| 01:52.00 | ljp | heh I mean several :) |
| 01:52.04 | Jucato | oh |
| 01:52.13 | Jucato | :) |
| 01:52.19 | ljp | the one I have migh tbe considered senile as it was one of the first out |
| 01:52.49 | Jucato | sandman: did you buy the n800 from walmart as well? |
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| 01:53.30 | sandman | Jucato: Actually, yes. |
| 01:53.39 | GeneralAntilles | sandman, there's a hint right there. ;) |
| 01:53.49 | benson | Lesson: Don't by from Walmart? |
| 01:54.23 | sandman | What difference does it make? |
| 01:54.27 | sandman | It's all coming from Nokia |
| 01:55.02 | benson | Maybe other retailers don't kick their merchandise as hard as Walmart? |
| 01:55.20 | Jucato | or throw them around while passing them in the stock room? |
| 01:55.39 | sandman | It seems it'll work, but |
| 01:55.43 | sandman | I really have to press on the screen |
| 01:55.45 | sandman | Sorta hard |
| 01:56.00 | sandman | Nope, nevermind |
| 01:56.02 | sandman | Still broken. |
| 01:56.59 | sandman | Also, the bitch on the phone @ Nokia told me that my n810's MAC address is not a unique identifier of my device |
| 01:57.16 | Jucato | the virtual memory is taken from the internal 2GB memory right? |
| 01:57.25 | sandman | If you tell it to |
| 01:58.03 | ppires | people should i drop openssh in favour of dropbear? |
| 01:58.13 | Jucato | hm.. ok it does... wonder if there's some extra precautions I need to take if I reformat the internal card for booting... |
| 01:58.24 | GeneralAntilles | sandman, what do you expect from first-level support? ;) |
| 01:58.39 | sandman | It was tier-2 |
| 01:58.50 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, still. ;) |
| 01:59.41 | sandman | It's a shame. This device is so good in theory |
| 01:59.57 | GeneralAntilles | sandman, don't buy from WalMart |
| 02:00.10 | sandman | Meh. If Wal-Mart is that bad, Nokia should have fixed it. |
| 02:00.14 | GeneralAntilles | Most people who buy have no complaints. :) |
| 02:00.17 | sandman | Plus, Nokia's support people are clearly trash |
| 02:00.30 | sandman | Yeah, well. If it can't stand being tossed around a little bit in shipping |
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| 02:00.40 | sandman | Then it's not going to survive very long in my pocket |
| 02:00.44 | sandman | Besides, it doesn't matter |
| 02:00.46 | sandman | I'm just one customer |
| 02:00.55 | GeneralAntilles | I've beat my N800 to hell, it works fine. |
| 02:01.27 | sandman | Is there no solution for this screen calibration problem? Nobody knows anything about it? |
| 02:01.49 | GeneralAntilles | If it's a hardware issue, there isn't much to be done about it. |
| 02:02.15 | GeneralAntilles | Exchange it at WalMart, return it and buy somewhere else, or return it and move on. |
| 02:02.28 | sandman | Well, according to the forums, the problems are consistent, just say off. The idea is that it is, in fact, a problem with the calibrator. |
| 02:02.52 | sandman | I think I'll just go back to pen and paper, honestly. I think I'll wait until a company sells the gear necessary to fabricate IC's |
| 02:03.00 | sandman | And such, rather than the IC's themselves |
| 02:03.10 | sandman | That way if something is broken, I can just make another one. |
| 02:03.16 | *** part/#maemo FireFox (n=b-man@pool-71-124-117-162.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 02:03.20 | sandman | But that probably will never happen. |
| 02:03.28 | AndrewFBlack | forgot to close keyboard was cat talking to you guys? |
| 02:03.34 | GeneralAntilles | lol . . . |
| 02:03.39 | GeneralAntilles | AndrewFBlack, not tonight. |
| 02:04.06 | AndrewFBlack | lol ok I'm going to shut laptop so she wont, I didn't know she had been doing it |
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| 02:10.05 | sandman | You know |
| 02:10.09 | sandman | It's really as if teh mouse acceleration is off |
| 02:10.11 | sandman | in the n810 |
| 02:10.50 | sandman | Definately is, that's what's going on. |
| 02:11.05 | sandman | I have a feeling that my device was somehow used before. Is there a way to reset it? |
| 02:14.03 | ds3 | is there a quick summary of what's the min. requirements to run Mer at the moment? |
| 02:16.16 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, |
| 02:16.17 | GeneralAntilles | ~mer |
| 02:16.18 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer |
| 02:16.20 | GeneralAntilles | sandman, |
| 02:16.22 | GeneralAntilles | ~flashing |
| 02:16.23 | infobot | methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 02:18.22 | ljp | indeed, flash with the latest update |
| 02:22.26 | sandman | How do I know if I have the latest OS software? |
| 02:22.35 | sandman | And also, is it possible to change the MAC address on my n810? |
| 02:23.15 | Jucato | 1. version: control panel. top entry. 2. afaik MAC's are hardware based? |
| 02:23.27 | GeneralAntilles | Well, the MAC is the MAC |
| 02:23.32 | sisto | benson: what's wrong with walmart? |
| 02:23.33 | GeneralAntilles | you can change it in software |
| 02:23.44 | sandman | The lady @ Nokia told me that she must have my MAC address |
| 02:23.57 | GeneralAntilles | sandman, it's on the sticker inside the back cover |
| 02:24.02 | sandman | I know already |
| 02:24.03 | Jucato | under the battery |
| 02:24.04 | sandman | I gave it to her |
| 02:24.09 | sandman | But I'm confused as to why she would need that |
| 02:24.22 | GeneralAntilles | sandman, because it's the number they use as a serial number |
| 02:24.26 | sisto | oh i read up top |
| 02:24.26 | Jucato | for verification. it's also required in downloading the latest OS |
| 02:25.00 | Jucato | I hate it when I do that (reply to a sentence half an hour ago :P) |
| 02:25.00 | sandman | How do I determine if I'm running the latest OS? |
| 02:25.11 | Jucato | [10:22] <Jucato> 1. version: control panel. top entry. |
| 02:25.25 | Jucato | about product |
| 02:25.44 | sandman | Yes, I knew that already |
| 02:25.53 | sisto | Jucato: wow! how did you know he was going to ask this? |
| 02:26.50 | Jucato | Version 5.2008.43-7 |
| 02:26.50 | Jucato | sisto: the question about latest OS? he already asked a while ago :) |
| 02:27.02 | sandman | 5.2008.43-7 is the latest possible? |
| 02:27.34 | Jucato | that's what I've been told |
| 02:27.47 | Jucato | oh. if RX-51 is the codename for the next tablet.. RX-44 is N810? |
| 02:28.11 | sisto | I was trying to find your message much earlier: It looks like this here: 00:23 | Jucato> 1. version: control panel. top entry. 2. afaik MAC's are hardware based? |
| 02:28.21 | sisto | I thought you had posted that 2 hours ago |
| 02:28.32 | Jucato | hehe :) |
| 02:28.39 | GeneralAntilles | Jucato, RX-34 is N800 and RX-48 is N810W |
| 02:28.50 | Jucato | ah I don't have the W |
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| 02:29.19 | Jucato | which would probably explain the RX-44 at the top right corner of the LCARS Modern theme :) |
| 02:29.27 | Jucato | was wondering about that... |
| 02:35.59 | ds3 | thanks |
| 02:38.06 | ds3 | I am looking for different info then what's on that page.... trying to see how hard it is to get Mer running on another board |
| 02:40.34 | benson | ds3: what hardware? |
| 02:41.22 | benson | I hear it's pretty straightforward if there's already a booting kernel and X... |
| 02:41.54 | ds3 | benson: Beagle board + other stuff |
| 02:42.07 | benson | Runs on Beagle already. |
| 02:42.12 | ds3 | but what's it want in terms of min. resolution |
| 02:42.20 | ds3 | BB with DVI screen or ? |
| 02:43.04 | benson | Well, 800x480 is standard, but it should do as low as 480x480 for sure, and probably less, without major changes. |
| 02:43.47 | benson | Not sure, I assume DVI monitor, but haven't been tracking. |
| 02:44.04 | ds3 | don't plan to use a DVI monitor |
| 02:44.15 | ds3 | oh 480x480...okay, that rules out Mer |
| 02:44.41 | benson | What resolution do you plan? |
| 02:45.19 | GeneralAntilles | Mer's issue is that the hildon-desktop layouts don't really scale well below 640x480 |
| 02:45.29 | GeneralAntilles | If you put together a layout for that size it'll work fine. |
| 02:45.34 | benson | (480x480 comes from working in 800x480 and 480x800; less would just require a different layout.) |
| 02:45.37 | GeneralAntilles | Or swap out some other appropriate DE. |
| 02:45.37 | ds3 | let me check the LCD |
| 02:45.42 | benson | Like he said. |
| 02:46.03 | ds3 | 480x272 |
| 02:46.27 | ds3 | trying to find a min. work userland... the other alternative is Android :/ |
| 02:46.49 | ds3 | how hard is it to change layout? XML edit or? |
| 02:47.43 | GeneralAntilles | I haven't tried it, but it should be about that. |
| 02:47.57 | ds3 | hmmm |
| 02:47.59 | GeneralAntilles | I bet you could enlist some help in it. |
| 02:48.11 | GeneralAntilles | johnx is looking into making it more 640x480 appropriate for Zaurus, anyway. |
| 02:48.41 | ds3 | plan is to make a case around the BB with a LCD, battery, and a touch screen...maybe even a Bluetooth interface |
| 02:50.24 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 02:50.30 | GeneralAntilles | Why not just buy a Pandora? ;) |
| 02:50.50 | ds3 | pandora with case is shipping TOADY? |
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| 02:51.57 | Jucato | hm.. openpandora... |
| 02:53.57 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, well, maybe in about 8 months. :P |
| 02:55.16 | ds3 | I plan to be done by end of march |
| 02:55.27 | genewitch | ~smb |
| 02:55.27 | infobot | smb is probably Server Message Block or how Microsoft pulls off its networking sharing magic, or see CIFS |
| 02:55.36 | genewitch | ~samba |
| 02:55.36 | infobot | Try http://www.rohirrim.org/ipaq/ |
| 02:56.30 | ds3 | can I assume networking in Mer works? |
| 02:56.38 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 02:57.20 | ds3 | sounds easier to deal with then Android then |
| 02:58.29 | genewitch | that's crashing the maemo server... "smbfs" |
| 02:58.33 | genewitch | ~mount |
| 02:58.34 | infobot | mount is a command used to mount a device to the local filesystem |
| 02:58.39 | genewitch | ~smbfs |
| 02:58.40 | infobot | it has been said that smbfs is the server message block file system. if you get errors like "smbfs: need mount version 6", you need to install smbfsx and purge smbfs. |
| 02:58.56 | GeneralAntilles | genewitch, infobot is shared among several channels. |
| 02:59.07 | genewitch | i know |
| 02:59.20 | GeneralAntilles | Many of these factoids are not Maemo-specific. ;) |
| 02:59.22 | genewitch | i can't search maemo.org for it right now |
| 03:01.00 | ds3 | hmmm what's Mer using as browser at the moment? |
| 03:01.31 | ds3 | midori as suggested by the PNG filename? |
| 03:02.27 | benson | last release, at least, didn't ship with a browser installed; not sure on the current one. |
| 03:02.34 | ds3 | Ohhhh |
| 03:02.34 | benson | Midori does work. |
| 03:02.46 | GeneralAntilles | May end up being Tear eventually |
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| 03:02.53 | GeneralAntilles | Or could be Fremantle's MicroB |
| 03:02.58 | ds3 | Tear? |
| 03:03.00 | genewitch | current mer on nokia doesn't have a browser by default, all there is is CP, appmanager, and terminal |
| 03:03.15 | ds3 | ah it is pretty bare |
| 03:03.20 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=260336 |
| 03:03.23 | ds3 | does it at least have an OSK then? |
| 03:03.29 | GeneralAntilles | WebKit browser for Maemo in Vala |
| 03:03.34 | benson | Tear is a lightweight webkit browser made for Maemo |
| 03:03.48 | GeneralAntilles | h-i-m |
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| 03:04.22 | ds3 | nice |
| 03:04.53 | Jucato | in vala? :O |
| 03:04.55 | benson | figures he should retry this week's Mer. |
| 03:05.03 | Jucato | wonders if arora has been packaged... |
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| 03:08.25 | genewitch | does anyone know of any media player for OS2008 that will capture a VLC streaming server? |
| 03:08.35 | genewitch | none of them let me add a URL to stream from |
| 03:08.42 | genewitch | that i've seen |
| 03:10.55 | benson | mplayer should work via CLI... GUI frontends, IDK. |
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| 03:11.52 | genewitch | kmplayer says "buffering" then doesn't do anything |
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| 03:21.22 | AndrewFBlack | I just got screwed big time at Circuit City |
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| 03:24.11 | ds3 | n |
| 03:24.31 | ds3 | ?? |
| 03:25.17 | GeneralAntilles | AndrewFBlack, surprised? :P |
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| 03:26.04 | AndrewFBlack | No, i just got a Hp MediaShare Connect and its used and has no remote and It can't be used without it |
| 03:26.32 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 03:27.37 | ds3 | paid with credit card? |
| 03:27.50 | AndrewFBlack | debit card |
| 03:28.49 | AndrewFBlack | HP doesn't even sale replacement remotes if I wanted to keep it used |
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| 03:32.09 | AndrewFBlack | I tell you who ever taped the box shut did a dang good job |
| 03:33.22 | GeneralAntilles | They don't sell replacements? |
| 03:33.23 | GeneralAntilles | Weird |
| 03:33.25 | timelE61i | gAn: so, builder seems to be doing one package every 5mins |
| 03:33.30 | timelE61i | Not very fast |
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| 03:34.29 | GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, indeed. |
| 03:34.37 | GeneralAntilles | I guess it's not set up to process a thousand tiny packages |
| 03:35.37 | genewitch | OH SWEET |
| 03:35.39 | genewitch | I GOT IT TO WORK |
| 03:35.52 | AndrewFBlack | GeneralAntilles, found the part on there parts website but it can't be ordered |
| 03:38.14 | timelE61i | well... |
| 03:38.46 | timelE61i | In previous versions of the system we had these and rumor has it fremantle should |
| 03:38.46 | b-man | runs apt-get dist-upgrade in ubuntu jaunty on his tablet and is shocked to see 51.9mb of space will be freed - and no packages are going to be removed 0_o |
| 03:39.14 | timelE61i | Creative accounting? |
| 03:39.21 | timelE61i | Or doc/locale-purge? |
| 03:40.05 | timelE61i | It's also possible the packages you have were refactored to exclude extras |
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| 03:53.22 | AndrewFBlack | hey b-man your ubuntu jaunty install doesn't use hildon right? |
| 03:54.03 | b-man | yes, it doesn't :) |
| 03:54.28 | AndrewFBlack | you get FN Numbers working? |
| 03:55.32 | b-man | i believe so, allthough i don't have a hw keyboard, i'm using re-compiled packages from mer/deblet. |
| 03:55.33 | AndrewFBlack | or using on screen keyboard |
| 03:55.48 | b-man | xkbd ;) |
| 03:56.12 | AndrewFBlack | trying to get FN button to work with Mer using Lxde but no luck yet |
| 03:56.34 | b-man | hmm |
| 03:56.40 | AndrewFBlack | I'm using onBoard right now and it runs real slow |
| 03:57.09 | b-man | try xkbd, it's fast, light, and relyable ;) |
| 03:57.39 | AndrewFBlack | ok, what you using to fix the FN button? |
| 03:58.07 | b-man | keymaps from deblet |
| 03:58.32 | AndrewFBlack | you got a copy of them so i don't have to download entire deblet? |
| 03:58.50 | b-man | shure, hold on.. |
| 04:01.26 | b-man | i'll be back , i'm getting interupted atm ;) |
| 04:01.41 | AndrewFBlack | thats cool I'll get it from you in the morning bedtime for me |
| 04:02.03 | b-man | k, c ya |
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| 04:13.42 | genewitch | is there a place where i can upload VLC settings for optimal streaming? |
| 04:13.53 | genewitch | i got the stream to work perfectly after an hour of tinkering with codecs |
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| 04:14.21 | timelE61i | wiki.maemo.org? |
| 04:14.43 | genewitch | alright :-) |
| 04:15.43 | genewitch | essentially, i bought the n800 to replace my PSP as a media center, and now i've completed all the stuff i wanted to get that goal done. |
| 04:16.38 | timelE61i | So it works? |
| 04:17.13 | timelE61i | Btw, what's the battery life for the psp? |
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| 04:18.32 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Manual_video_encoding |
| 04:19.00 | timelE61i | gan: so, if things are in order, 0.1.1 might be up |
| 04:19.44 | timelE61i | Oh :( |
| 04:19.57 | timelE61i | It looks like builder rejected the meta package |
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| 04:21.39 | timelE61i | :( it didn't like the dependency format? |
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| 04:27.43 | genewitch | timelE61i: Yes, works great. And the PSP lasts 2-6 hours, depending on what you do with it. if it's using the UMD, 2 hours, if you're just streaming audio or using it as an MP3 player, it gets 5-6 |
| 04:27.57 | b-man | i'm back :) |
| 04:28.15 | b-man | AndrewFBlack: http://www.bman.maemobox.org/Xmodmap |
| 04:28.19 | timelE61i | b-man: you're a debian/ubuntu-ish person, no? |
| 04:28.20 | genewitch | it's wifi connection is fickle, though. and you can't just drop an application on there to run. also, transcoding video for the PSP is a huge pain in the neck |
| 04:28.43 | timelE61i | My package failed to be packaged, i'd like help understanding why |
| 04:28.45 | b-man | timelE6li: yes :) |
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| 04:47.19 | b-man | is shocked when his wifi connection jumps from 30kb/s to 1200kb/s 0_o |
| 05:15.53 | genewitch | http://wiki.maemo.org/Vlc |
| 05:15.56 | genewitch | there, i wiki'd it. |
| 05:15.59 | genewitch | :-) |
| 05:19.35 | timelE61i | oK, qgil and i have boarded |
| 05:19.48 | timelE61i | See people later |
| 05:20.22 | GeneralAntilles | Have fun. |
| 05:29.26 | b-man | sleeps, g'night everyone :) |
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| 05:56.01 | genewitch | oic, palm releases ARM based PDAs |
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| 06:05.30 | elwekt | hi does pb's installtools still work? |
| 06:05.44 | elwekt | on current maemo |
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| 06:07.46 | elwekt | 43.7 |
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| 06:42.57 | Corsac | is it just me or there is now way to sync contacts on maemo? |
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| 06:48.33 | slonopotamus | helloo |
| 06:53.34 | meetpatty | anyone out there who has managed to run mer 0.7 on a 770? |
| 06:58.53 | slonopotamus | meetparty, you hit some bug or just wondering? |
| 06:59.15 | slonopotamus | s/meetparty/meetpatty/ |
| 06:59.30 | meetpatty | i have hit a dproblem |
| 07:00.57 | slonopotamus | oh. they maybe you should ask someone from mer team. johnx & Stskeeps are the most helpful ones :) |
| 07:01.18 | slonopotamus | meetpatty, what kind of a problem? |
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| 07:02.03 | Jucato | hm.. is there a way to sort of "spoof" a site into thinking that you're not viewing the site from a mobile device? kinda sucks when your device is capable of viewing a normal site, but you're forced to use the mobile-friendly one :/ |
| 07:02.23 | meetpatty | haha yea, i annoyed Stskeeps last night |
| 07:06.00 | benson | Jucato: depends on the site, and how it deduces you're on a mobile. |
| 07:15.27 | Jari-- | looks nice :) http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/02/kde-42-and-koffice-20-beta-6-available-for-maemo.ars |
| 07:18.14 | Mousey | why can't i get Comix to work? |
| 07:18.21 | Mousey | decoder zip not available? |
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| 07:19.54 | Mousey | nm, cbrpager ftw!! |
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| 07:37.31 | Corsac | ok, modest doesn't care about my CA |
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| 07:46.28 | dexterk | lol, today I found out debian xfce for n8x0 beta3 is good ,too |
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| 07:48.24 | Stskeeps | morning |
| 07:48.30 | Stskeeps | dexterk: but totally undeveloped |
| 07:48.39 | Corsac | dexterk: 4.6b3? |
| 07:48.40 | Stskeeps | debian beta3 was johnx, who's doing mer too now ;) |
| 07:48.51 | dexterk | on |
| 07:48.53 | dexterk | en |
| 07:48.55 | dexterk | all beta |
| 07:48.57 | Corsac | well, I'm the Xfce Debian maintainer, and I just got an n810⦠|
| 07:49.00 | dexterk | Corsac: beta3 |
| 07:49.21 | Stskeeps | Corsac: johnx did a tar.gz with a pre-setup xfce back in last spring so |
| 07:49.40 | Corsac | so as soon as I buy two SD card, I'll use one to install Mer, and another to install a Debian, and start hacking on that kind of stuff :) |
| 07:49.45 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 07:50.28 | Stskeeps | Corsac: i started building some of the Mer packages for debian-armel (armv4t), it might be interesting |
| 07:50.44 | Stskeeps | to be able to put on armv4t devices |
| 07:50.48 | Stskeeps | (freerunner, for instance) |
| 07:52.04 | Corsac | a pure debian armel is installable on armv6 like n810? |
| 07:52.09 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 07:52.17 | Stskeeps | trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet |
| 07:52.49 | Stskeeps | you need some tricks but else it's installable :P |
| 07:53.19 | Corsac | yeah but with a d-i? |
| 07:53.22 | Stskeeps | nah |
| 07:53.31 | Stskeeps | debootstrap and apt-get ;) |
| 07:53.53 | Corsac | ok |
| 07:54.11 | Stskeeps | but i wouldn't recommend using deblet.. i have practically abandoned the project and devoting all my time to Mer |
| 07:54.21 | Stskeeps | as it has more potential with regards to power saving etc |
| 07:54.46 | Corsac | hmhm, what are exactly the changes wrt a âpureâ debian? |
| 07:54.49 | Corsac | or ubuntu, for that matter |
| 07:55.04 | Corsac | and shouldn't it be nice to update debian/ubuntu with your changes? |
| 07:55.14 | Stskeeps | yeah, but some of them aren't exactly kosher |
| 07:55.21 | Corsac | (I know Loic Minier is interesed by Mer but doesn't have time to check on it) |
| 07:56.02 | Stskeeps | debian & ubuntu target desktops and laptops, but not things like tablets (resource-constrained but not "just" a embeddded system) |
| 07:56.09 | Stskeeps | so some things might need additional breaking |
| 07:56.46 | Corsac | yeah but it's worth at least trying, imho |
| 07:56.56 | Corsac | (ok, maemo mapper just crashed ><) |
| 07:57.03 | Stskeeps | but, yes, the idea is to merge interesting things upstream |
| 07:57.11 | Corsac | (and I can't select a route from two POI) |
| 07:57.15 | Stskeeps | yeah, MM is weird in latest update |
| 07:57.27 | Corsac | Stskeeps: basically what are the problems with merging? |
| 07:57.38 | Corsac | I mean, what is the bad stuff :) |
| 07:58.15 | Stskeeps | well, for tablets, using diablo kernel: you have to fsck before udev starts.. or fsck dies with "Resource busy" |
| 07:58.21 | Stskeeps | you need a nasty workaround for that |
| 07:59.27 | Stskeeps | in any case, Mer is both a proof of concept, a research project and a potential approach to doing Maemo things.. - we're much closer to our upstream than Maemo is, for instance |
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| 08:00.15 | Stskeeps | also, the whole concept of having to require /mnt/initfs mounted upon boot :) |
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| 08:00.31 | Stskeeps | Mer also uses Maemo GTK, not upstream GTK |
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| 08:00.42 | Stskeeps | we do have some seams but we try to limit them :) |
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| 08:02.45 | Corsac | âConfirm download of 269748234 maps (up to about 1618489.40 MB) |
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| 08:02.48 | Corsac | maybe not :/ |
| 08:03.30 | Stskeeps | iSCSI on tablet could be interesting ;) |
| 08:03.37 | Corsac | eheh |
| 08:06.55 | Corsac | how much room is it interesting to have for mer, basically? |
| 08:07.03 | Corsac | (as I intend to dedicate it an SD card) |
| 08:08.54 | Stskeeps | 2gb card is just fine :P it depends on how crazy you go with having all the packages installed ;) |
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| 08:09.31 | Stskeeps | it's about 405mb uncompressed |
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| 08:09.43 | Stskeeps | and 180mb in flash (we didn't do docpurge yet) |
| 08:09.59 | RST38h | Anyone can hint at the easiest method to load png into memory? |
| 08:10.22 | RST38h | (without allocating temp structs, reading info, attaching callbacks, using longjmp etc) |
| 08:10.33 | Corsac | use libpng? |
| 08:10.40 | RST38h | Corsac: see above |
| 08:10.44 | Corsac | (or did i misunderstood?) |
| 08:10.46 | RST38h | without all this crap |
| 08:10.54 | Corsac | or use gtk? |
| 08:11.02 | Corsac | which will wrap calls to libpng, I guess |
| 08:11.04 | RST38h | into memory, not a widget |
| 08:11.10 | Corsac | oh |
| 08:11.19 | Corsac | then just open() and read() it? |
| 08:11.26 | Corsac | if you just need the raw data? |
| 08:11.27 | benson[away] | png2pnm |
| 08:11.36 | RST38h | Ok, no easy way? |
| 08:11.46 | monkeyiq | RST38h; maybe imlib2 |
| 08:11.54 | monkeyiq | RST38h; if you just want RGBA32 |
| 08:11.56 | RST38h | monkey: thanks, checking |
| 08:12.03 | RST38h | ,monkey: yea, basically |
| 08:12.17 | Corsac | if you can force the input format no to have weird compression stuff it may be easier |
| 08:13.00 | monkeyiq | RST38h; imlib_image_get_data() is what you want, once you load the image of course. |
| 08:13.07 | Corsac | I mean, if you can assume one won't feed you weird stuff, and you can drop them immediately |
| 08:13.24 | RST38h | Imlib2 is not on the NIT by default though? |
| 08:13.47 | monkeyiq | RST38h; I was just looking at that part... unfortunately its not :() |
| 08:13.59 | RST38h | is screwed then |
| 08:14.08 | RST38h | Will have to write a wrapper around libpng |
| 08:14.13 | monkeyiq | you could just statically link to it during build |
| 08:14.39 | monkeyiq | or jump the firey hoops of libpng |
| 08:15.01 | Corsac | erf, 2GB microSD is like 4.4⬠|
| 08:15.04 | RST38h | can't statically link as it will violate LGPL |
| 08:15.05 | Corsac | (generic one) |
| 08:16.21 | monkeyiq | RST38h; I feel for you then, having used the setjmp API of libpng :/ |
| 08:17.14 | RST38h | can't believe libpng authors could screw up the API this much |
| 08:17.51 | monkeyiq | RST38h; its sort of like the libflac, having a nice get_tags() call, but no way to update tags without reading chunks and other nasties |
| 08:18.13 | monkeyiq | except libpng has no void* getBytesRGBA32( const char* filename ); |
| 08:18.30 | RST38h | all they had to do was implement a png_read(file,,imagebuf,&w,&h)... |
| 08:19.13 | monkeyiq | perhaps you're chance at fame and fortune^W fame by sending a patch in? |
| 08:19.41 | monkeyiq | and then waiting 12-18 months for it to hit the desktop/NIT |
| 08:19.57 | RST38h | nah, will wrap and use my own wrapper |
| 08:20.23 | RST38h | no desire to argue with another bunch of deadenders about shortcomings in their api |
| 08:20.23 | monkeyiq | that's my policy ;) |
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| 08:28.12 | Corsac | gdbm fatal: write error |
| 08:28.16 | Corsac | mm: I hate you |
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| 08:32.45 | Corsac | hhmh. |
| 08:32.51 | Corsac | the device is loop-rebooting >< |
| 08:33.22 | Stskeeps | hate when that happens |
| 08:33.38 | Corsac | what should I do? |
| 08:33.51 | Stskeeps | for future reference: get fanoush's bootmenu or the bootmenu from mer, and add in usb networking telnetd :P is a saver |
| 08:33.52 | Corsac | is there some kind of safe mode, something like that? |
| 08:34.19 | Stskeeps | nop. oone of the things we try to solve for mer :P |
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| 08:34.45 | Corsac | only solution would be to reflash the stuff? :/ |
| 08:35.27 | Stskeeps | correct - and grab the bootmenu.install right after |
| 08:35.48 | Stskeeps | it really saves your ass once in a while :P |
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| 08:37.21 | Corsac | ok maybe I should go and buy an SD card *before* going to fosdem |
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| 08:45.40 | Corsac | the worst is having to redo the GPS fix |
| 08:47.32 | Mousey | cries |
| 08:48.00 | Corsac | hmh, I think I managed to start it with init=/bin/sh |
| 08:48.04 | Corsac | but that's just useless |
| 08:48.14 | Stskeeps | Corsac: bootmenu works without SD card, btw |
| 08:48.32 | Corsac | yeah but I want to put Mer on an SD card |
| 08:49.03 | Corsac | and if I take the time to reflash and reconfigure it, maybe I should take the time to install mer too |
| 08:49.11 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 08:49.26 | Stskeeps | meeting up with the rest of the maemo peeps on fosdem? |
| 08:49.43 | Corsac | more with debian/xfce guys |
| 08:49.50 | Stskeeps | k |
| 08:49.55 | Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/FOSDEM_2009 <- |
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| 08:50.45 | Corsac | is the mer install a flashable image? |
| 08:51.02 | Stskeeps | i have one in store but APT fucks up on jffs2 |
| 08:51.30 | Stskeeps | so it's kinda useless |
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| 08:53.00 | Corsac | hmh ok |
| 08:53.43 | Corsac | problem with me going to buy an SD card is that I'll buy a new HD for my thinkpad too |
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| 08:56.07 | Corsac | duh |
| 08:56.10 | Corsac | it stopped rebooting |
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| 08:57.01 | Corsac | Stskeeps: where is the bootmenu.install you talked about? |
| 09:00.29 | Stskeeps | sec |
| 09:00.36 | Corsac | /dev/mtdblock4 255488 252840 2648 99% / |
| 09:00.41 | Corsac | I guess it's related |
| 09:02.52 | Corsac | pff, why is /home not on the memory card |
| 09:04.14 | Stskeeps | it is in fremantle :P |
| 09:04.21 | Stskeeps | at least , /home/user/MyDocs |
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| 09:04.57 | Stskeeps | extras repository, and http://packages.tspre.org/pool/user/b/bootmenu/bootmenu_1.5-1_armel.deb |
| 09:06.09 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 09:06.16 | Corsac | hmhm, I have extra repository and no bootmenu |
| 09:06.48 | Stskeeps | ah, i meant, you need extras repo enabled, and then grab that deb |
| 09:06.49 | Corsac | oh, I'll just setup it |
| 09:06.52 | Corsac | ok |
| 09:07.04 | Corsac | adding the deblet repository doesn't look like a good idea? |
| 09:07.21 | Stskeeps | correct, and you dont have to :P |
| 09:07.33 | Stskeeps | just add extras repository, and grab that deb through browser or wget :P |
| 09:07.35 | Corsac | -sh: wget: not found |
| 09:07.35 | Corsac | pfff |
| 09:07.37 | Stskeeps | it needs 'rootsh' installed |
| 09:07.37 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:07.58 | Stskeeps | and deblet repository is fine, just stick with the 'installer' distribution codename ;) |
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| 09:18.26 | Stskeeps | listens to the mer builder |
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| 09:22.42 | Stskeeps | morning lbt |
| 09:22.55 | lbt | morning :) |
| 09:23.13 | Corsac | Stskeeps: will a 16Go microSD HC work with n810? |
| 09:23.15 | lbt | we're snowed in |
| 09:23.23 | Stskeeps | Corsac: think so |
| 09:23.33 | Stskeeps | i don't own a n810 though |
| 09:29.00 | X-Fade | Morning |
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| 09:32.20 | Corsac | hmhm, I wonder if it's possible to generate a maemo-mapper db from outside the tablet |
| 09:33.41 | Stskeeps | i think i did once really |
| 09:34.40 | Corsac | it takes ages on the device |
| 09:35.45 | Stskeeps | check ITT, there's probably some guides |
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| 09:35.59 | Corsac | another solution would be to use scratchbox on the laptop, but I don't really have time to do that atm :/ |
| 09:36.43 | radic | Stskeeps: can I use cups on my N800? |
| 09:37.05 | Stskeeps | radic: er, think it's in scratchbox-devel |
| 09:37.17 | Stskeeps | Corsac: technically you can do it in Mer VMDK probably |
| 09:37.29 | Stskeeps | .. but dont go there, maemo-select-location is messed up |
| 09:37.58 | radic | Stskeeps: but in the software that I use is no printing-support |
| 09:38.15 | Stskeeps | radic: if they exporrt to pdf that's usable :P |
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| 09:38.58 | radic | hmm |
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| 09:41.56 | Stskeeps | morning qwerty12 |
| 09:42.05 | qwerty12 | hi Stskeeps :) |
| 09:42.09 | radic | hi qwerty12 |
| 09:42.16 | qwerty12 | hey radic :) |
| 09:42.43 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: snowed in? ;) |
| 09:43.12 | qwerty12 | No, feeling really shitty :( |
| 09:43.48 | Stskeeps | aw :( |
| 09:44.27 | Stskeeps | i'm working on the 3rd party close sourced package stuff and hoping by god i didn't mess it up totally in the 0.7 thread |
| 09:45.27 | qwerty12 | I think you handled it fine and qgil is doing a good job by offering this opportunity. I just think that some iTT members are overreacting. |
| 09:46.47 | Corsac | Stskeeps: anyway I don't really have time for that |
| 09:47.35 | Stskeeps | wtf @ eff-content-fonts.. only thing depending on it is, maemo-blocks |
| 09:50.16 | Corsac | Stskeeps: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Onion/Mapper#Using_CLI_osm2db |
| 09:53.59 | Stskeeps | k |
| 09:54.08 | Corsac | (it doesn't really build though) |
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| 10:01.41 | timelE61i | We landed... |
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| 10:02.18 | timelE61i | Our first plane had a problem w/ a window |
| 10:02.25 | Corsac | ** (process:23965): WARNING **: SQL ERROR 1:(create virtual table way_2d USING rtree ( widint primary key, min_lat real, max_lat real, min_lon real, max_lon real);) no such module: rtree |
| 10:02.29 | Corsac | damn >< |
| 10:02.41 | timelE61i | So we were moved to a new plane |
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| 10:05.47 | Stskeeps | timelE61i: good that you made it safely :) |
| 10:06.12 | Stskeeps | btw, i=timeless@80-186-63-54.elisa-mobile.fi <- looks expensive :P |
| 10:06.22 | Stskeeps | if you're in .be now :P |
| 10:07.17 | X-Fade | Heh, I've had them work on the engine for 2 hours while we were in the plane looking at the opened engine leaking fluids :) |
| 10:08.45 | Stskeeps | was on a ryanair going back from dublin.. and the amount of passengers didn't match the amount boarded |
| 10:08.48 | Stskeeps | that was 45 minutes delay :P |
| 10:09.21 | X-Fade | Heh. Yeah, that sucks. |
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| 10:11.18 | Corsac | ok, it works \o/ |
| 10:12.22 | timelE61i | company perk global roaming |
| 10:12.39 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 10:12.40 | qwerty12 | lol |
| 10:17.21 | Jaffa | genewitch: ping |
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| 10:24.40 | lcuk | timelE61i, you might have global roaming, but needing to take a 45foot antenna with you everywhere you go is a bit of a crimp |
| 10:26.03 | Stskeeps | anyone active with a 770 on OS2007HE or likes? |
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| 10:30.05 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: ping |
| 10:31.51 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Stskeeps/Sandbox/Nokia_Wishlist <- could you browse through this and maybe edit-fy this to make it more suitable for consumption? |
| 10:32.25 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: will do shortly |
| 10:32.26 | florian | good morning |
| 10:32.43 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: thanks |
| 10:32.43 | qwerty12 | morning florian |
| 10:32.59 | timelE61i | Lcuk: you mean my two six jack power strips? :) |
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| 10:44.06 | Corsac | ok and the âmapperâ (not âmaemo mapperâ) address search doesn't work at all |
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| 10:53.09 | meetpatty | anyone out there who has managed to run mer 0.7 on a 770? |
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| 11:02.37 | rzr | meetpatty: i planned to, got trouble |
| 11:02.48 | rzr | meetpatty: but the wifi isnt ready i think |
| 11:02.54 | Jaffa | meetpatty: r2d2rogers has, I believe |
| 11:03.20 | Stskeeps | 'lo meetpatty |
| 11:03.39 | meetpatty | hey |
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| 11:05.24 | Stskeeps | yawns |
| 11:06.18 | kender | did any of you made to work the video chat between Maemo and a Linux computer? Gizmo 4.0 isn't available for linux and I tried using Empathy in order to use the "official" video support, but I didn't get very lucky |
| 11:06.46 | kender | audio works, but video isn't sent for some reason |
| 11:06.59 | Stskeeps | i think there is a guide on iTT somewhere |
| 11:07.05 | kender | (using Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex) |
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| 11:08.21 | kender | Stskeeps, I've seen a few posts about it, there is where I got the idea of Empathy, some guy even suggested to use SIP accounts but it's quite rare to find one that let's you use video |
| 11:08.38 | kender | apart from finding a SIP client in Linux with video support |
| 11:08.49 | kender | (I think he suggested X-Lite in windows) |
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| 11:50.12 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Stskeeps/Sandbox/Nokia_Wishlist |
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| 11:51.35 | timelE61i | arrives |
| 11:51.36 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: i kinda intentionally didn't put flash on due to the discussions on it |
| 11:51.44 | Stskeeps | their agreement with flash is very specific so |
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| 11:52.37 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: "citation needed" |
| 11:52.52 | Jaffa | It's silly not to ask and be told definitively. |
| 11:53.00 | Stskeeps | k |
| 11:53.25 | Jaffa | Why's it different to any other 3rd party stuff? We're not lawyers, and haven't seen the licences anyway. |
| 11:53.30 | timelE61i | so, anyone here understand the builder? |
| 11:53.50 | timelE61i | Jaffa: i haven't seen the licenses either |
| 11:53.53 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: I also inverted the colours so that red was more important |
| 11:54.23 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: citation needed: |
| 11:54.25 | Stskeeps | qgil: For instance, Flash belongs to Adobe and Skype belongs to Skype Inc. The agreements signed with these companies are framed for official releases going through a quite demanding quality process. If Nokia would let the Mer team (or whoever) grab those binaries for other purposes then those agreements would be in trouble, affecting e.g. the negotiations for Fremantle. |
| 11:54.31 | Stskeeps | EDIT: By the way, forget about an official endorsement on 3rd party applications. 3rd party platform components essential to get the hardware running are a different and more feasible story. |
| 11:54.35 | Stskeeps | that's why :P |
| 11:55.03 | Stskeeps | http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=261619&postcount=26 |
| 11:55.25 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: wasn't that in response to a "just grab it out of the firmware" suggestion by someone (talking out of their arse) |
| 11:55.28 | Jaffa | ? |
| 11:55.32 | Stskeeps | nop |
| 11:55.50 | Jaffa | Bollocks |
| 11:56.07 | Jaffa | (or some other suitable interjection indicating dismay) |
| 11:56.37 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: the paragraph before the bit you quote is also quite important. |
| 11:56.54 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 11:56.56 | Jaffa | And the "If Nokia would let" is key, rather than "If Nokia and Adobe decide to let" |
| 11:57.07 | Jaffa | So, I still think it's worth asking. |
| 11:57.36 | Stskeeps | i think it should be a 3) and a green instead personally |
| 11:57.39 | Jaffa | i.e. the point (I think) he is making is that Nokia can't decide to let anyone do anything with Flash & Skype, without asking their owners. |
| 11:57.52 | Jaffa | Is Flash "advanced" usage of an internet tablet? |
| 11:57.52 | Stskeeps | to not get them to go into a raving frenzy :P |
| 11:57.58 | X-Fade | timelE61i: Still problems? |
| 11:58.07 | Jaffa | It may not be P2 - personally, I think end-users will think it might be ;-) |
| 11:58.39 | Jaffa | also wasn't sure whether handwriting recognition is advanced, or what the priority should be. |
| 11:58.45 | Jaffa | Your doc - edit as you like ;-) |
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| 12:01.46 | Stskeeps | if you'd like to as a council member to take on this task you're welcome, - my temper isn't so good with this kind of stuff :) IMHO, when the mail is sent, Red should be indicated as "Important for the success of community firmware images, from technical point of view" "Grey/Green as end-user success of community firmware images - end-users have shown interest in this being possible and it would be good to have a final yes or no if it would be" |
| 12:01.50 | roope | Many licensing deals are per-device-installed/sold, which makes them of course tricky/impossible to just give away. |
| 12:02.02 | Stskeeps | yeah, obviously |
| 12:02.21 | Stskeeps | and our statement isn't giving away, should -only- go to tablet devices |
| 12:03.02 | X-Fade | And also certification is required. If Mer does something wrong which causes Flash to suck, it reflects bad on Adobe. |
| 12:03.03 | Stskeeps | i (personally) don't care about anything other than HW, :P |
| 12:03.14 | X-Fade | Very delicate ;) |
| 12:03.18 | roope | No harm in asking, of course, but some of the deals might be of such a nature that Nokia doesn't even want to disclose the terms. |
| 12:03.29 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 12:03.48 | Stskeeps | i'm happy enough with a Yes/No on he more delicate stuff :P |
| 12:05.15 | andre___ | bye & see you at fosdem |
| 12:05.18 | Stskeeps | hf |
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| 12:41.33 | x29a | meh, my n810 got powered out during the night |
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| 12:43.51 | timelE61i | x-fade. I just need to know if i need to repush |
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| 12:46.33 | gladiac | Hi dneary |
| 12:46.42 | X-Fade | timelE61i: I missed the problem. What broke? |
| 12:46.59 | timelE61i | the meta package |
| 12:47.09 | timelE61i | Which is mostly a stupid thing |
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| 12:47.55 | timelE61i | Since i'd rather avoid making dozens of updates to the meta package |
| 12:48.42 | wazd | lo all |
| 12:50.12 | X-Fade | timelE61i: Do you want me to remove it? |
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| 12:58.04 | dneary | hi gladiac |
| 12:58.13 | dneary | gladiac: Still hanging around qutecom? |
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| 12:58.52 | gladiac | dneary: yep, and sometimes fixing bugs |
| 12:58.59 | timelE61i | x-fade: can you ask the builder to try again for the meta @ 0.1.1 |
| 12:59.28 | dneary | gladiac: Happy with how things have gone with MBDSys? |
| 12:59.35 | timelE61i | bUt really, can we fix application manager? :) |
| 13:00.04 | X-Fade | No, I can't. I need to remove it from the repo and then copy the source package to the queue again. |
| 13:00.18 | dneary | gladiac: I've been a bit disappointedthat they haven't managed to get a 2.2 out yet, but it seems like they really want a quality product |
| 13:01.08 | timelE61i | ok, can you do that? :) |
| 13:01.16 | X-Fade | timelE61i: Yep :) |
| 13:01.20 | timelE61i | thanks |
| 13:01.27 | timelE61i | Wait |
| 13:01.32 | X-Fade | language-support-translations-enus1 right? |
| 13:01.34 | timelE61i | How is it in the repo? |
| 13:01.47 | timelE61i | Yeah, but 0.1.1, not 0.1 |
| 13:01.58 | gladiac | dneary: they work on the next version of qutecom behind closed doors |
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| 13:02.11 | gladiac | but they still fix bugs in qutecom 2.2 |
| 13:02.32 | gladiac | qutecom 2.2 is more or less stable now, it still has serveral bugs |
| 13:02.42 | X-Fade | timelE61i: Only 0.1 is in the repo, sorry. |
| 13:03.02 | dneary | gladiac: They've mostly been fixing bugs for clients that are getting customised QuteCom versions - like the A1 Austrian guys |
| 13:03.16 | gladiac | dneary: I don't need a sip softphone atm so I focus on other things, like my file synchronizer |
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| 13:03.36 | gladiac | A1 fixed a lot of bugs |
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| 13:04.08 | X-Fade | timelE61i: 0.1.1 failed because of depencency parse error? |
| 13:04.10 | X-Fade | timelE61i: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/language-support-translations-enus1_0.1.1/i386.build.log.FAILED.txt |
| 13:05.19 | timelE61i | Yeah, what in the world does that mean? |
| 13:05.39 | timelE61i | Afaiu what i wrote was legal |
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| 13:10.50 | X-Fade | timelE61i: Apparently not ;) |
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| 13:11.41 | user_ | hi |
| 13:12.44 | user_ | anyone alive? |
| 13:13.03 | Stskeeps | nah |
| 13:13.38 | timelE61i | can you figure out why/how to fix it? |
| 13:14.07 | qwerty12_N800 | Your package actually builds fine in a Mer chroot... |
| 13:15.00 | user_ | has anyone found their n810 screens to be inaccurate? |
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| 13:15.27 | X-Fade | user_: Did you re-calibrate it? |
| 13:15.29 | timelE61i | qwerty: 0.1.1? |
| 13:15.39 | qwerty12_N800 | timelE61i, yep |
| 13:15.55 | timelE61i | X-fade: m guess is it's a timing issue, and the packages weren't all present |
| 13:15.57 | user_ | x-fade: Yes |
| 13:16.05 | X-Fade | timelE61i: I'll resubmit. |
| 13:16.09 | timelE61i | thanks |
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| 13:16.29 | StsN801 | qwerty12_N800, bash-completion, next mer release, good/bad idea? |
| 13:16.30 | user_ | x-fade: several times, in fact. |
| 13:16.50 | X-Fade | user_: Very inacurate or just a little? |
| 13:16.58 | StsN801 | user_, screen protector in use? |
| 13:17.13 | user_ | pretty darn inaccurate |
| 13:17.15 | user_ | no |
| 13:17.27 | user_ | no screen protector |
| 13:17.42 | qwerty12_N800 | StsN801, uber wicked but the tablet does slow down a when spawning bash from xterm & ssh in Maemo |
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| 13:17.58 | StsN801 | true |
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| 13:18.31 | user_ | it seems particularly bad at the right of the screen |
| 13:18.35 | X-Fade | user_: how much is pretty darn? In mm? |
| 13:18.41 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, But the usefulness of it cannot be denied, I always make sure to install it in Maemo. But a cut down version may be nice. |
| 13:18.51 | user_ | using the scrollbars is very difficult |
| 13:18.55 | StsN801 | qwerty12_N800, k |
| 13:19.17 | user_ | probably a good 20 pixels off |
| 13:19.50 | user_ | but sometimes it's to the right and other times it's to the left |
| 13:19.52 | StsN801 | user_, i can recommend scr protector from day 1.. scratches are nasty |
| 13:21.38 | user_ | isn't the screen made of glass? |
| 13:21.58 | user_ | and this is day 14 or so |
| 13:22.05 | X-Fade | user_: Touchscreen is a layer on top of the screen. |
| 13:22.09 | qwerty12_N800 | Is that a serious question? |
| 13:22.22 | user_ | worked fine until i calibrated it for the first time |
| 13:22.49 | X-Fade | user_: Try to calibrate that section deliberately to the left of the cross? |
| 13:24.36 | StsN801 | user_, it will revert calibration with a reflash |
| 13:25.38 | RST38h | moos |
| 13:25.51 | qwerty12_N800 | hi RST38h |
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| 13:27.01 | sandman | How to reflash my nokia n810? |
| 13:27.12 | qwerty12_N800 | ~flashing |
| 13:27.13 | infobot | methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 13:29.26 | sandman | I don't see anything ont hat page for windows |
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| 13:30.08 | qwerty12_N800 | then you aren't looking carefully enough. |
| 13:30.09 | lbt | sandman: excellent - you have an opportunity to help the community by adding it :) |
| 13:30.27 | GAN800 | lbt, it's there. |
| 13:30.30 | X-Fade | timelE61i: Build failed again. |
| 13:30.42 | X-Fade | GAN800: Hey you're alive ;) |
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| 13:30.48 | X-Fade | GAN800: Feeling better? |
| 13:30.56 | lbt | oh come on - it was buried in the table of contents right at the top! |
| 13:31.01 | GAN800 | X-Fade, doesn't Adobe manage that well enough by themselves? ;) |
| 13:31.29 | GAN800 | X-Fade, it was short lived, but I'm still a bit puny. |
| 13:31.56 | GAN800 | lbt, maybe <blink> would help? ;) |
| 13:32.07 | lbt | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:32.28 | lbt | sorry sandman - did you find what you need? |
| 13:32.48 | sandman | No |
| 13:32.52 | sandman | But I have to go for a bit here anyway |
| 13:32.53 | lbt | section 4 |
| 13:32.55 | timelE61i | qwerty: can you figure out why builder doesn't like me? |
| 13:33.06 | lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Flashing_on_Windows |
| 13:33.55 | GAN800 | X-Fade, I had a chat with tekojo about 'webmaster' emails for maemo.org and he suggested a 'spring cleaning'-themed sprint sometime in the next few months. |
| 13:33.59 | qwerty12_N800 | timelE61i, no idea, it really all does look correct :). If I can figure it out, I'll let you know |
| 13:34.58 | X-Fade | GAN800: Sure// |
| 13:35.56 | GAN800 | X-Fade, April seems like it might be good. |
| 13:37.21 | GAN800 | is this accurate? http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Karma&curid=1238&diff=10717&oldid=10668&rcid=10720 |
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| 13:38.08 | X-Fade | GAN800: I thought it was one. |
| 13:38.12 | GAN800 | Clones! |
| 13:38.22 | GAN800 | X-Fade, as did I. |
| 13:39.20 | X-Fade | GAN800: No, he is right. |
| 13:39.34 | GAN800 | Oh really? Huh |
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| 13:39.40 | X-Fade | 'karma_discussion_modifier' => 2, |
| 13:39.46 | GAN800 | Probably should be one. |
| 13:39.54 | X-Fade | Yeah. |
| 13:41.44 | X-Fade | GAN800: It probably wasn't noticed because mail importing is a bit broken ;) |
| 13:42.08 | GAN800 | Hehe |
| 13:42.42 | GAN800 | The karma's gonna end up inversed just before Nokia pulls to hand out device codes. ;) |
| 13:47.23 | lcuk | i think karma should be randomized daily |
| 13:48.15 | lcuk | we have all these methods for INCREASING karma, but non for decreasing it really |
| 13:48.27 | X-Fade | lcuk: Well, we had one.. |
| 13:48.44 | X-Fade | lcuk: But that one wasn't received very well. |
| 13:49.15 | lcuk | thats cos ppl didnt realise it was linked to anything, i mean something more opaque and obvious |
| 13:49.27 | lcuk | like a swear jar, something the user himself would have to fall into |
| 13:49.41 | lcuk | oh shit |
| 13:49.49 | lcuk | karmabot: lcuk, you just lost 1 karma point |
| 13:50.19 | X-Fade | Bacon++ ? |
| 13:50.28 | qwerty12_N800 | would probably be down to zero if that was implemented... |
| 13:50.30 | lcuk | thats just positiva karma allthe way |
| 13:50.51 | lcuk | lol qwerty12_N800 |
| 13:51.28 | lcuk | if the tablet detects you press too hard with stylus ("BAD TOUCH! BAD TOUCH!") then it should cry out and cancel all karma for the week |
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| 13:52.57 | lcuk | :D i just realised , peoplecould be placed in a sinbin!!! that would work better than negating karma, its just whatever they do during a short interval (1/3/7 days etc) will not be accounted |
| 13:53.15 | lcuk | and you could have the inverse with a hot zone where it doubles your karma if you are on a run :D |
| 13:53.45 | lcuk | cow orker is sleeping, how would i best get back at him? |
| 13:53.49 | Stskeeps | is pleased no broken compiles has happened with mer-on-top-of-armv4t so far |
| 13:53.51 | lcuk | should i call the boss into the office? |
| 13:53.59 | lcuk | via email |
| 13:54.17 | qwerty12_N800 | Load up goatse on his comp |
| 13:54.19 | Stskeeps | lcuk: drawing with marker on his face if he's too asleep |
| 13:54.46 | lcuk | nahhh he would wake up if i get up and make noise, that sorta startled rabbit in headlights look |
| 13:54.51 | lcuk | i like the idea of goatse |
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| 13:54.55 | X-Fade | lcuk: Get some empty beer cans and place them next to him ;) |
| 13:55.32 | lcuk | good idea, where would i put his vodka bottle when i move it to put the cans there? |
| 13:56.57 | lcuk | ill rig up the gas thing on his chair so i can scare the shat out of him (from a distance) next time he does it |
| 13:57.42 | X-Fade | lcuk: Or put his hand in a bowl of water ;) |
| 13:58.02 | lcuk | you have been in this situation before |
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| 13:58.19 | Stskeeps | of course :P |
| 13:58.45 | lcuk | s/you/x-fade, you/ |
| 13:58.45 | lcuk | :P |
| 13:58.52 | lcuk | :P |
| 13:58.56 | Stskeeps | lcuk: so, what gadgets do you have at home? |
| 13:59.33 | lcuk | ive got kids not gadgets :) im not really a faffer... :) |
| 13:59.50 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 14:01.05 | lcuk | apart from helicopter, rc cars laptops with wacom touchscreens embedded behind, my normal pooter, a couple of laptops , a shitty phone, oh and a miracle install of windows xp that can ONLY run sims 2 and play movies :) you try anything else with it and it blows serious chunks. though its the fastest machine in the house |
| 14:01.25 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 14:02.14 | lcuk | but no, im not really gadget oriented, i dont tend to get stuff cos well i have to spend all money we do get on family |
| 14:02.54 | lcuk | theres a load of stuff i would like, but is outside my budget so i dont get hyped about |
| 14:05.02 | lcuk | Stskeeps, what junk have you got lying around (oh, i do have an old loox pda, but it might be dead now and i think its a really old one) |
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| 14:07.52 | Stskeeps | mm. office: htc advantage, beagleboard (2), pocket loox, n800 |
| 14:08.02 | Stskeeps | home: ipaq 3630, n800 |
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| 14:21.04 | lcuk | Stskeeps, since you have a spare beagle, put a working mer on it and lemme "test" it :D |
| 14:21.16 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 14:21.24 | Stskeeps | come by .dk for a beer and some bacon, sure P |
| 14:22.04 | lcuk | i was sorely tempted to drive through this weekend but its impractical :) i was pondering visiting fosdem for a beer |
| 14:22.20 | lcuk | has family things and unfinished code to work on |
| 14:23.03 | lcuk | wants to do a europe roadtrip soon |
| 14:23.51 | lcuk | hmmm actually you arent where i thought you were |
| 14:24.02 | lcuk | <<< geog fail |
| 14:24.34 | Stskeeps | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=brabrand,+denmark&sll=56.158135,10.212002&sspn=0.193492,0.617981&g=%C3%85rhus,+Denmark&ie=UTF8&ll=57.136239,10.019531&spn=49.856377,158.203125&t=h&z=3&iwloc=addr |
| 14:26.06 | lcuk | i have had you buttonholed near amsterdam for months now |
| 14:26.09 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 14:26.13 | Stskeeps | danish, not dutch |
| 14:26.28 | lcuk | yesh, realising now :) |
| 14:26.39 | Stskeeps | if i was near amsterdam i would have gone to fosdem :P |
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| 14:28.17 | lcuk | bb much later anyway (unless i sneak back on) |
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| 14:30.19 | r2d2rogers | Good monring |
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| 14:31.29 | Stskeeps | morning r2d2rogers |
| 14:31.52 | Stskeeps | is building armv4t mer on builder |
| 14:32.13 | Stskeeps | so far there's probably about 2 days grinding in queue on the qemu builder |
| 14:32.34 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: what armv4t device are you targetting? |
| 14:33.05 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: debian-armel |
| 14:33.25 | Stskeeps | so far it builds fine |
| 14:33.52 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: but if we get equal stuff we can put hildon on top of lets say, freerunner |
| 14:33.55 | Stskeeps | -> maemophone ;) |
| 14:34.06 | Jaffa | :) |
| 14:34.39 | r2d2rogers | I haven't had any luck with wireless working |
| 14:34.54 | r2d2rogers | it can detect AP's, but will not connect |
| 14:35.14 | r2d2rogers | what log should I be looking in to see what it's doing? /var/log/syslog ? |
| 14:35.23 | r2d2rogers | (wigh ksyslog installed |
| 14:35.49 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: Do you know if the SA-110 (armv4) does armv4t? |
| 14:36.35 | Jaffa | Actually, ignore me - doesn't matter |
| 14:39.21 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: i was actually wondering it myself the other day |
| 14:40.09 | AFB|Away | 1 hour and a half and I get to go get pissed off at Manager of Circuit City |
| 14:40.25 | Stskeeps | aren't they getting liquidated atm or how was it? |
| 14:41.10 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: i think it's debian-arm |
| 14:41.11 | Andrewfblack | last night I got a Hp MediaSmart Connect when I got home it had been used and is missing remote, which I can't order |
| 14:41.44 | Andrewfblack | HP Costomer Support told me I get what I pay for |
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| 14:43.00 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: but yeah, i did ponder hildon on my ipaq 3630 for a bit :P |
| 14:43.27 | Jaffa | RAM's probably the killer |
| 14:43.43 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 14:44.20 | Jaffa | 32MB on a Psion netBook - probably similar on the ipaq at a guess |
| 14:46.12 | Stskeeps | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helix_(project) <- btw |
| 14:46.42 | Stskeeps | as far as i can read it is not 3rd-party-closed |
| 14:47.12 | Jaffa | No, Helix itself is open - has been for years. The problem is it doesn't ship with any codecs at all |
| 14:47.33 | Jaffa | It's like the bottom half of MAFW |
| 14:47.34 | Stskeeps | ah |
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| 14:51.09 | sp3000 | timelE61i / qwerty12_N800 / X-Fade: I think wrapped depends are uncommon, does 0.1.1 have those? I think it might |
| 14:51.23 | timelE61i | iT does |
| 14:51.47 | timelE61i | Is builder just stupid? |
| 14:51.55 | timelE61i | wait |
| 14:52.07 | X-Fade | It uses standard tools ;) |
| 14:52.08 | timelE61i | Didn't 0.1 have wrapped depends too? |
| 14:52.28 | sp3000 | iirc the \n's happened around the (>=)s |
| 14:52.33 | timelE61i | 0.1 had wrapped, but no parens |
| 14:53.01 | timelE61i | 0.1.1 has wrappings and parens, not sure about the placement |
| 14:53.18 | timelE61i | all of my devices are on power strikes |
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| 14:57.22 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: btw, was the accompanying email to the list good enough? i kept it on the list, so |
| 14:57.36 | Stskeeps | trying to be a bit diplomatic with the topic so :P |
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| 14:59.26 | dexterk_ | anyone has a .item for debian beta on n800 , bootmenu.d ...? |
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| 14:59.59 | Stskeeps | it should run with a standard item, just remove the _LINUXRC |
| 15:00.55 | dexterk_ | so stranger to grub... |
| 15:01.02 | dexterk_ | no kernel image path? |
| 15:01.20 | Stskeeps | correct, it uses kernel in flash |
| 15:01.44 | Stskeeps | i wish we could indicate a kernel image though :) |
| 15:01.55 | dexterk_ | yead |
| 15:01.57 | dexterk_ | yeah |
| 15:03.13 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: looked good |
| 15:03.18 | Stskeeps | k |
| 15:03.51 | Stskeeps | apologies for all the questions if things are OK and stuff, just have a rough time determining if i am (counter-?)productive :) |
| 15:09.03 | Stskeeps | continues deciphering BME |
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| 15:25.39 | sp3000 | X-Fade: how recent standard tools? |
| 15:25.55 | Stskeeps | heh, if it's scratchbox.. ancient |
| 15:26.02 | dexterk_ | en, I really can feel that "the input is painful" on debian beta with xfce,But it's cool anyway, lol |
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| 15:27.41 | X-Fade | sp3000: Official sdk? |
| 15:27.57 | qwerty12 | Think sp3000 hit it right on the nail. Changed the control file to http://pastebin.com/d70a9526b and it built fine under DIABLO_ARMEL. |
| 15:29.28 | sp3000 | well not quite on the head but somewhere in the ballpark apparently |
| 15:29.41 | qwerty12 | :) |
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| 15:39.08 | wazd | I have very good news :) |
| 15:39.27 | wazd | Foreca oficialy agreed to support OMW :) |
| 15:39.29 | qwerty12 | Foreca approved your request? :) |
| 15:39.32 | qwerty12 | Yep :) |
| 15:40.00 | wazd | qwerty12: do you work for Foreca?) |
| 15:40.17 | qwerty12 | wazd, nope, I just had the feeling that you were gonna say that :D |
| 15:40.31 | wazd | qwerty12: demon! |
| 15:40.34 | wazd | :P |
| 15:40.49 | qwerty12 | My source is the infobot :P |
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| 15:45.45 | RST38h | wazd: Wow, unusual |
| 15:47.26 | lcuk | wazd, well done on the first step :) its easy to get an in principle agreement but now you have to carry it through and code it up and do stuff to maintain it and make it work |
| 15:48.31 | Andrewfblack | is there a Arm version of Opera that will run on Ubuntu Jaunty? |
| 15:51.57 | Jaffa | Andrewfblack: Not one easily available |
| 15:51.57 | wazd | RST38h: yep, I was actually surprised too :) |
| 15:52.11 | Jaffa | Andrewfblack: You *might* be able to hack and extract something from a chinook image, but... |
| 15:52.20 | wazd | lcuk: in fact it's not so easy to get an agreement :) |
| 15:52.21 | Jaffa | s/chinook/bora ? |
| 15:52.22 | Andrewfblack | Jaffa, ok |
| 15:53.05 | wazd | lcuk: We only got 3, one of them was a redirection to other service so we have to ask again |
| 15:53.07 | qwerty12 | Bundyo did it once but had to remove the deb :) |
| 15:54.17 | Andrewfblack | wow I can see if I'm going to be playing with getting everything setup on Mer i need 2 installs lol |
| 15:54.34 | lcuk | wazd, fair enough - we have attempted similar tie ins in dayjob here and find it is generally easy to get people to be enthusiastic about data sharing as long as its rub my back etc. i hope you get the others :) |
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| 16:05.41 | lbt | FWIW .... QFingerScrollArea : http://pastebin.com/d1887c707 |
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| 16:19.08 | fred23 | Hi all.... I'd like to debug part of maemo-gtk (the gtk_invisible_new() function) but I'd like to do it directly on the N810 device... Is there anyone that could give me some guidelines ? |
| 16:19.47 | fred23 | like... which dev packages should I install ? |
| 16:20.24 | fred23 | 'cause I've been trying to install libgtk2.0-dev and libgtk..-2.4-dev on my device from the "Maemo Extras" repo, and I get errors... |
| 16:20.57 | fred23 | s/libgtk..-2.4-dev/libgtkmm2.4-dev |
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| 16:28.13 | lbt | I switched to Qt when I got to the point where I was trying to debug the gtk library :) |
| 16:28.32 | lbt | not that that's any help :) |
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| 16:34.11 | RST38h | He has done it again |
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| 16:34.16 | dob | meow |
| 16:34.21 | qwerty12 | 3rd time lucky :) |
| 16:34.26 | RST38h | Andrew, what is it, anyway? |
| 16:34.31 | qwerty12 | s/lucky/lucky? |
| 16:35.01 | Stskeeps | Andrewfblack: cat |
| 16:35.36 | Andrewfblack | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:35.48 | qwerty12 | /ignore |
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| 16:36.16 | wazd | ~burn Andrewfblack |
| 16:36.16 | infobot | ACTION pours gasoline all over Andrewfblack, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 16:36.37 | lbt | here kitty |
| 16:36.46 | Andrewfblack | rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 16:36.51 | lbt | :D |
| 16:36.52 | Andrewfblack | rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 16:36.57 | Andrewfblack | rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 16:36.58 | qwerty12 | Welcome cat to lbt's house of pain :) |
| 16:37.01 | sp3000 | oh no, irc purring |
| 16:37.14 | wazd | what the fuck is that :) |
| 16:37.30 | wazd | It's like Jackyl and Hyde :) |
| 16:37.39 | lbt | wazd: I'm guessing Andrewfblack has a cat and it's on his keyboard |
| 16:37.43 | lbt | Mine does that |
| 16:38.02 | qwerty12 | You wouldn't be able to get my old cat near a keyboard... |
| 16:38.04 | wazd | lbt: and the cat pressing up and enter :) |
| 16:38.12 | lbt | wonders if Andrewfblack's cat will get the karma and a vote? |
| 16:38.13 | wazd | lbt: and the cat pressing up and enter :) |
| 16:38.14 | wazd | lbt: and the cat pressing up and enter :) |
| 16:38.16 | wazd | :) |
| 16:38.48 | suihkulokki | ..my cat rarely manages to hit both enter and same key repeatedly |
| 16:39.21 | wazd | it's like next it will be "Hello, it's Andrewfblack's cat!" :) |
| 16:39.21 | qwerty12 | There's something wrong with him/her, take him/her back :) |
| 16:39.22 | sp3000 | it's not inconceivable that a client would split lines |
| 16:39.58 | lbt | suihkulokki: my cat sometimes types in working perl code! |
| 16:40.05 | lbt | OTOH that's not hard |
| 16:40.06 | wazd | lbt: xD |
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| 16:40.32 | slonopotamus | hey |
| 16:41.02 | slonopotamus | i got X working. output only yet |
| 16:41.06 | wazd | slonopotamus: halo :) |
| 16:43.31 | RST38h | oh fuck |
| 16:43.40 | RST38h | rotates the ti85 image |
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| 16:45.09 | wazd | RST38h: oh, is it working already?) |
| 16:47.15 | slonopotamus_ | crappy gprs... |
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| 16:47.42 | slonopotamus_ | hello, people! my gentoo now has X! |
| 16:47.58 | RST38h | wazd: kinda |
| 16:48.00 | qwerty12 | congrats :) |
| 16:48.30 | slonopotamus_ | thx :) |
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| 16:54.24 | slonopotamus__ | i need network, touchscreen and after that will be ready for ugly self-hosting :) |
| 16:57.33 | RST38h | image loaded |
| 16:57.52 | RST38h | a little bit faded because of the 16bpp |
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| 17:05.50 | RST38h | Ok, I have got a full screen TI85 on N810 |
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| 17:12.02 | Andrewfblack | yu{UIPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP |
| 17:12.46 | RST38h | hmm |
| 17:13.13 | qwerty12 | Andrewfblack, if away, may I suggest pressing Win+L :) |
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| 17:15.45 | slonopotamus__ | omg |
| 17:16.05 | slonopotamus__ | what was that? |
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| 17:17.25 | RST38h | Andrew turns to a cat every now and then and starts clawing at thekeyboadrd |
| 17:18.21 | wazd | Good evening, I'm wazd's dog |
| 17:18.27 | wazd | :) |
| 17:18.45 | qwerty12 | Corneil, you can talk!? |
| 17:19.15 | wazd | Well, I know several languages |
| 17:19.39 | wazd | bark-bark :) |
| 17:19.44 | qwerty12 | arf |
| 17:19.57 | wazd | woof |
| 17:20.24 | qwerty12 | yip |
| 17:21.52 | fred23 | Hi everybody...I'm with Mozilla and we're experiencing some problems with invisible widget creation under maemo with hildon theme (nokia N810 device).... |
| 17:22.16 | dexterk_ | finally |
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| 17:22.21 | fred23 | I'd like to debug "trunk/ glib/ gobject/ gobject.c" directly on the device... |
| 17:22.28 | dexterk_ | I think clone os 2008 to SD is the best idea |
| 17:22.44 | fred23 | could anyone give me some guidelines as to which packages to install and so on ? |
| 17:23.49 | fred23 | dexterk_: sorry.. was that for me ? |
| 17:23.58 | dexterk_ | no |
| 17:24.05 | fred23 | k |
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| 17:31.35 | wazd | fred23: invisible - you mean transparent? |
| 17:34.30 | RST38h | Anyone remembers what character "dia" corresponds to? |
| 17:36.41 | dneary | X-Fade: how's brussels? |
| 17:38.25 | wazd | Time to bet, if new UI will be revealed tomorrow :) |
| 17:38.38 | qwerty12 | I'll bet your dog :) |
| 17:39.02 | wazd | bet infobot :) |
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| 17:39.45 | qwerty12 | infobot, do you like qwerty12? |
| 17:39.45 | infobot | yes, I like qwerty12. |
| 17:39.56 | qwerty12 | wazd, how can I bet him/her after that? :) |
| 17:40.34 | wazd | awwww xD |
| 17:40.44 | qwerty12 | hehe :D |
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| 17:41.36 | wazd | well, maybe I'm wrong :( |
| 17:41.49 | RST38h | wazd: what is gonna happen tomorrow |
| 17:41.50 | RST38h | ? |
| 17:42.05 | wazd | RST38hL fosdem |
| 17:42.08 | slonopotamus | anyone has xorg.conf section for tslib? |
| 17:42.15 | wazd | RST38h: fosdem |
| 17:42.29 | wazd | RST38h: http://fosdem.org/2009/schedule/events/emb_maemo_beagleboard |
| 17:43.01 | roope | what's tomorrow. |
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| 17:45.27 | thopiekar | np |
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| 17:46.39 | wazd | http://mg.pov.lt/blog/ebooks-are-the-future |
| 17:46.40 | RST38h | wazd: I doubt it |
| 17:46.52 | wazd | wroooong) |
| 17:47.05 | wazd | digital would never replace analog |
| 17:47.29 | wazd | RST38h: me too, but I hope :) |
| 17:47.33 | RST38h | wazd: I really doubt we will see something really new. Evolutionary - maybe |
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| 18:02.10 | qwerty12 | Is there an recommended "initial mode" to set pixel doubling on? |
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| 18:12.47 | Andrewfblack | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.06 | qwerty12 | I'm being a spaz. 400 x 240 of course. |
| 18:15.24 | Stskeeps | AFB-Cat: lock your workstation while away |
| 18:15.47 | AFB-Cat | I used to always shut my laptop but the last few days i have been forgetting |
| 18:16.05 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 18:16.31 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, do you have xorg.conf with tslib device defined? |
| 18:16.42 | AFB-Cat | well Circuit city made me happy after 2 hours and 4 people |
| 18:17.11 | AFB-Cat | they wouildn't give me my money back but they let me spend same amount in the store |
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| 18:21.59 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: lp:~mer-committers/m-r/imager has it |
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| 18:23.41 | slonopotamus | brb, gone for reboot to test touchscreen |
| 18:24.59 | qwerty12 | Typical, I get XSP to work and it turns out that the game doesn't like the new screen size >.> |
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| 18:27.48 | benson[away] | AFB-Cat: shoot the cat, then you won't have to close the laptop. :p |
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| 18:30.33 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, what device should be used for touchscreen? |
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| 18:32.54 | AFB-Cat | benson[away], lol |
| 18:34.44 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, found, /dev/input/event3 |
| 18:35.33 | Zic | I heard that Mer include the latest libhildon with kinetic action/UI, is it right? |
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| 19:11.11 | lcuk | AFB-Cat, stop picking the laptop up with your right hand |
| 19:11.53 | lcuk | has never seen a cat touch in the same place every night |
| 19:17.38 | RST38h | That does not necessarily have to be his hand... |
| 19:17.52 | lcuk | heh |
| 19:18.06 | lcuk | i do the same when i pick my laptop up |
| 19:18.17 | lcuk | only mine is near the d key |
| 19:18.47 | lcuk | i curse it and delete from code |
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| 19:28.39 | sandman | Okau |
| 19:28.41 | sandman | Okay, rather |
| 19:28.50 | sandman | When I open sketch, and press any point on the screen |
| 19:29.01 | sandman | It'll draw a line from the very center of the screen to where I touched the screen |
| 19:29.11 | sandman | So it seems that somehow, the very center of the screen is always "down" |
| 19:29.19 | sandman | This, I strong believe, is a software problem. |
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| 19:30.01 | sandman | strongly, rather. |
| 19:30.06 | sandman | Anyone have experience with this? |
| 19:31.22 | pupnik | do subsequent lines function properly? |
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| 19:32.08 | sandman | I'm just trying to make a dot |
| 19:32.12 | sandman | I just tap the screen |
| 19:32.15 | sandman | And it makes a line, instead |
| 19:32.18 | sandman | And no |
| 19:32.33 | sandman | This would likely explain why it is so difficult for me to click anything on my n810 |
| 19:32.40 | sandman | I always reflashed the device |
| 19:32.43 | sandman | Same problem is still there |
| 19:33.23 | sandman | And now it's clicking |
| 19:33.28 | sandman | Even though Im not pressing anything |
| 19:33.42 | sandman | it keeps clicking as if I were touching the scren |
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| 19:36.55 | sandman | There's some sort of desync between the xserver and what's being tapped on the screen |
| 19:37.01 | sandman | This is rather obvious to me |
| 19:37.04 | florian | re |
| 19:38.18 | sandman | And, at random |
| 19:38.20 | sandman | In sketch |
| 19:38.27 | sandman | a dot will be drawn and the very center of the screen |
| 19:38.30 | sandman | When I haven't even touched it |
| 19:38.39 | sandman | And it'll keep doing that. Like a ghost is doing it |
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| 19:40.25 | sandman | I figured nobody would be able to help |
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| 20:02.20 | pupnik | sandman: sounds like a faulty screen |
| 20:03.06 | pupnik | i have to praise nokia for the build quality |
| 20:03.44 | pupnik | mine has suffered some bad abuse without breaking |
| 20:04.01 | pupnik | *have |
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| 20:26.20 | sandman | Huh. Well, it just seems rather odd that the screen would be _this_ bad. What's strange is that it doesn't appear to be actually faulty |
| 20:26.30 | sandman | Really seems like an X problem. But whatever |
| 20:26.32 | sandman | I'll return it |
| 20:26.34 | sandman | I guess |
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| 21:12.15 | slonopotamus | :( tslib can't init |
| 21:13.17 | slonopotamus | do i need some magic except for xorg.conf and driver? |
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| 21:23.37 | Sargun | N900, Palm Pre, New Laptop -- all sorts of new purchases this year |
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| 21:44.59 | wazd | It's ridiculous but Russia doe not have any free weather forecast sources :) |
| 21:45.30 | wazd | I mean RSS sources |
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| 21:48.25 | roope | in russia, the weather forecasts you! |
| 21:49.10 | ||cw | in ^soviet^ russia |
| 21:49.28 | qwerty12_N800 | In the UK, the weather fucks you over! |
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| 21:51.03 | wazd | roope: it's been here a while ago :) |
| 21:51.54 | wazd | writing a letter to BBC |
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| 21:53.00 | wazd | hope they're good guys |
| 21:54.29 | roope | the nokia maemo bugzilla (as least once) had this: In Soviet Russia, the bugs keep track of you! |
| 21:55.20 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe, sounds kinda creepy :) |
| 21:55.41 | qwerty12_N800 | imagines a bunch of bugs looking at CCTV footage |
| 21:56.12 | wazd | bug tracks bugzilla |
| 21:56.18 | wazd | and bugzilla tracks you! |
| 21:57.03 | roope | Or something like that. |
| 21:57.06 | wazd | ok, I surrender, I don't know where's BBC's weather contacts |
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| 22:19.21 | AFBN810 | Hey if I open a file to edit it with vim in terminal how to I close and save it |
| 22:20.23 | qwerty12_N800 | :wq |
| 22:20.44 | qwerty12_N800 | pressing esc first before the above |
| 22:22.52 | wnd | or esc, then ZZ |
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| 22:23.53 | wnd | and if you can't press esc, then ctrl-o, then ZZ :-) |
| 22:24.32 | qwerty12_N800 | Almost like windows - a 1001 ways to do one thing :) |
| 22:24.38 | GeneralAntilles | Damn, Samsung's got an S60 phone. . . . |
| 22:25.13 | wnd | qwerty12_N800, with the exception that with vim you can actually get the job done |
| 22:25.32 | qwerty12_N800 | wnd, hehe, indeed :) |
| 22:26.12 | lcuk | wazd, the met office |
| 22:27.16 | lcuk | smiles even more tonight |
| 22:27.17 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, seen their prices for businesses? Don't think they're gonna give free access, even for an open source app :/ |
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| 22:27.50 | lcuk | if we were america we would be able to use them :) us gov has no copyright over the data it produces |
| 22:28.09 | AFBN810 | ok rebooting to Mer to see if I fixed it |
| 22:30.24 | wazd | packs his bags to UK :) |
| 22:30.51 | lcuk | its a reasonable license for us actually |
| 22:31.07 | lcuk | i thought it was only us gov, but we have access to use the data privately as well |
| 22:31.26 | lcuk | he material featured on this site is subject to Crown copyright protection unless otherwise indicated. The material may be downloaded to file or printer for the purposes of private study and scientific research. Any other proposed use of the material is subject to a copyright licence available from the Met Office. |
| 22:31.29 | mavhc | vim, all you need is a 200g n810, and a 1kg manual |
| 22:31.52 | qwerty12_N800 | mavhc, 3kg for emacs? :) |
| 22:32.23 | lcuk | wazd, it might help uk users at the least if it was offered as a template :) |
| 22:33.07 | lcuk | is pleased he can see the end of his ui marathon |
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| 22:36.24 | wazd | lcuk: I've found Met Office Warnings and advisories feeds |
| 22:36.43 | wazd | lcuk: no sign of the forecast |
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| 22:40.31 | b-man | AFBN810: here's that xmodmap you wanted :) -- http://www.bman.maemobox.org/Xmodmap |
| 22:40.37 | lcuk | http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/nw/woodford_latest_weather.html |
| 22:40.38 | lcuk | wazd |
| 22:40.59 | AFBN810 | b-man thanks |
| 22:41.01 | lcuk | http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/nw/manchester_forecast_weather.html |
| 22:41.21 | mavhc | bbc has 3 day rss feeds |
| 22:43.59 | FireFox | websplit! XD |
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| 22:45.19 | wazd | lcuk: I saw html with forecast, but there's no RSS :) |
| 22:45.20 | wazd | oh |
| 22:45.23 | wazd | Train just crashed into our room I suppose :) |
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| 22:46.44 | mavhc | http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/ wazd |
| 22:53.44 | wazd | I know bout BBC, but they have no e-mail for contact :) |
| 22:53.59 | wazd | Thats what started the whole conversation :) |
| 22:54.19 | Jaffa | wazd: looked at the data on http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/ - dunno if they've got a weather feed there |
| 22:54.33 | Jaffa | wouldn't bother trying to contact UK broadcasters; well, not ITV. |
| 22:54.49 | wazd | BBC has the feed :) |
| 22:55.22 | wazd | But it hasn't got any contact e-mail to ask them if they mind about its usage) |
| 22:55.41 | Jaffa | It'll say somewhere already, I'm sure |
| 22:55.53 | Jaffa | You could try the BBC Duty Office |
| 22:56.36 | wazd | I think I'll try to write to the backstage |
| 22:57.22 | wazd | They will redirect me to the right place if I miss |
| 23:06.48 | wazd | ok, done |
| 23:12.46 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, did you get the email I forwarded? |
| 23:18.42 | wazd | hehe, weird screenshot: http://s57.radikal.ru/i157/0902/53/5d257a3e317f.jpg |
| 23:19.25 | wazd | Just realized that BBC cant forecast for Foscow :) |
| 23:19.38 | wazd | s/Foscow/Moscow |
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| 23:24.47 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, can you make the 7-day lettering a little larger? |
| 23:26.47 | lbt | I now have a general purpose QFingerScrollArea :) |
| 23:28.08 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: you mean 10-day row? |
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| 23:31.42 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, er, however many items are down there. :P |
| 23:33.22 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: well, it now has the biggest possible size to fit 3 digits |
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| 23:41.15 | roope | The info looks t i n y on the device screen. |
| 23:41.21 | roope | it's small even on my huge desktop monitor. |
| 23:41.49 | roope | The Moscow, Russia dna the -8 is about good size, but otherwise, it's too small. |
| 23:42.07 | GeneralAntilles | Perhaps it'd be worth sticking to a 7-day to fit more in? |
| 23:42.50 | roope | I'd suggest sticking to a 2- or 3-day forecast. Or doing 2 or 3 days properly and then perhaps an icon for the rest of the days. |
| 23:43.12 | roope | People tend to care about today and tomorrow, mostly. Forecast are not accurate anyway after a few days. |
| 23:43.16 | wazd | it's just a selector |
| 23:43.28 | GeneralAntilles | 10-day forcasts suck anyway. |
| 23:43.52 | benson | Or 2/3 days then a graph... graphs are cool. |
| 23:43.54 | GeneralAntilles | Well, whatever, as long as it's selectable in options. |
| 23:44.23 | benson | I use NOAA's 48-hour graph forecast, mainly. |
| 23:44.26 | wazd | we'd support as much days as possible) |
| 23:44.47 | roope | wazd: please try the screenshot on the N810 screen. It's awfully small text. |
| 23:45.06 | roope | nobody over 40 bothers to even read so small text. :) |
| 23:45.28 | benson | is glad he's not over 40. |
| 23:45.35 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, can we define the low/high text color? |
| 23:45.36 | roope | You're now kind of making the classic mistake of drawing it so that it looks nice on the pc screen. |
| 23:45.54 | benson | I often use that size text in osso-xterm... |
| 23:46.38 | wazd | I woldn't say that it's "omfg soooo small!11" but yep, it's a bit smaller that I thought :) |
| 23:46.50 | roope | People want to be able to glance the weather, quickly. Not have to study the sceren intently for data. |
| 23:46.56 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, do your mockups at 400x240. :P |
| 23:47.19 | wazd | Is that a gameboy or something?) |
| 23:47.48 | benson | roope: The big picture of a cloud is for people like you. :p |
| 23:47.59 | GeneralAntilles | It's about the size of the tablet screen at ~96dpi |
| 23:48.24 | wazd | I have a screen with high dpi) |
| 23:48.32 | wazd | almost tablet;s |
| 23:49.16 | benson | runs 120 DPI, and I haven't seen much finer... tablets are 225 DPI. |
| 23:49.53 | wazd | i have 1280x768 at 9" :) |
| 23:49.53 | roope | ymmv, but I still think that one of the best rules is to think in terms of a business card. that's about the size of sceren and amount of information you can fit at one time. |
| 23:50.10 | benson | Yow. Me want. |
| 23:50.50 | wazd | it's like 192 dpi or something |
| 23:51.09 | roope | the n800/n810 screen is coincidentally almost to the millimeter the same size as a normal business card. |
| 23:51.14 | benson | HP mininote, or what? |
| 23:51.19 | wazd | yep |
| 23:51.24 | GeneralAntilles | I can't wait for high-dpi LCDs and resolution-independent WMs |
| 23:51.27 | benson | roope: Yes, I'd noticed that. |
| 23:51.32 | lcuk | cant read everything he sees, but can tell what it means :) |
| 23:51.38 | roope | so if you can't draw your UI to the back of a business card properly then it's too small. :) |
| 23:52.14 | lcuk | prefers to draw his ui on the screen :P |
| 23:52.15 | wazd | the main problem is to fit that ammount of info on one screen |
| 23:53.06 | lcuk | wazd ;) let the user decide, some like small text and lots of detail, others like big easy read numbers visible from orbit |
| 23:53.07 | wazd | I thought to use icons to get rid of "humidity" and so on |
| 23:53.34 | roope | http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_pr0SDhOy6io/RygUWdiZeNI/AAAAAAAAAFo/VwHx_4qz9Bg/s400/IMG_9001.JPG |
| 23:53.35 | wazd | so it will borrow me some space to enlarge the font |
| 23:53.51 | roope | basically, you shouldn't even try. Or then make it pannable. |
| 23:54.18 | lcuk | hang on, i just realized wazd, why do you need to show the weather in 2 languages? |
| 23:54.24 | roope | Who cares if the air pressure is 755.69 mmHg? |
| 23:54.34 | roope | Does anybody relate to that number. What does it even mean. |
| 23:54.37 | GeneralAntilles | Meteorologists? |
| 23:54.43 | wazd | lcuk: cause it's multilanguage test :) |
| 23:54.44 | roope | Do they need the app? |
| 23:54.54 | wazd | I care :( |
| 23:55.00 | lcuk | roope, my dad cares, he goes hang gliding |
| 23:55.02 | wazd | I'm very pressure sesitive ( |
| 23:55.04 | benson | It's cool to have it there, I like it. |
| 23:55.06 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 23:55.26 | lcuk | squashes wazd |
| 23:55.27 | GeneralAntilles | roope, from watching hurricanes all my life, I can usually divine something from pressure. |
| 23:55.32 | roope | But yes. You could have a big today on the left side, a big tomorrow on the right side. |
| 23:55.46 | wazd | lcuk: the worst language is italian |
| 23:55.57 | wazd | lcuk: it has ridiculously long words |
| 23:56.01 | roope | For pressure ... something like a chart would tell at least something. you could know if it's going up or down. |
| 23:56.07 | roope | but an individual number dosen't really tell anything. |
| 23:56.12 | Stskeeps | evening |
| 23:56.20 | lcuk | then make the barometer be a real barometer |
| 23:56.28 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, OK, stock ticker for pressure. ;) |
| 23:56.28 | lcuk | and if you click it it can show a graph |
| 23:56.30 | benson | If I have to pick from between old-people-friendly fonts and adding more cool (but not very useful) info, I'll go with the info. |
| 23:56.48 | GeneralAntilles | Ideally there should be options for both use-cases. |
| 23:56.56 | lcuk | benson, what if you could have both - a palette of available views |
| 23:57.06 | lcuk | choose what you like or roll your own |
| 23:57.17 | lcuk | its just a data view at the end of the day |
| 23:57.22 | benson | Then I wouldn't have to pick; that's what the conditional was there for. |
| 23:57.24 | lcuk | theres a list of available options ? |
| 23:58.11 | benson | I'm a big fan of configurability. |
| 23:58.35 | roope | I'm trying my best to remove configurabiility always when possible. :) |
| 23:58.43 | wazd | When I was planning this UI I thought" well, you'll need imediate info bout degrees, so let's make them as large as possible. Other info is secondary so it's smaller" |
| 23:59.14 | lcuk | roope, people like to choose options and click switches and play around. i personally hated express on covers for phones, but plenty of people made a packet from such a silly thing |
| 23:59.36 | benson | "when possible"? Is this possibility perchance governed by mobs of angry users with torches? Cause I could get down with that... ;) |
| 23:59.50 | roope | People like to personalize their device, yes. |
| 23:59.50 | lcuk | takes away bensons dpad |
