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| 00:53.20 | smackpotato | is the speed of swap increased if you have a second swapfile on a second memory card |
| 01:02.23 | AStorm | no |
| 01:02.33 | AStorm | unless you have a modified swapon |
| 01:02.44 | AStorm | then you can have multiple swap files with different priorities |
| 01:02.52 | AStorm | uhm |
| 01:02.56 | AStorm | with same priority |
| 01:03.13 | AStorm | Linux will then spread the writes to both |
| 01:04.54 | AStorm | which should be faster (though you might hit another bottleneck - the bus speed) |
| 01:05.07 | AStorm | (unlikely though given speed of current flash chips) |
| 01:05.50 | AStorm | I had transfers of 2 MB/s. |
| 01:06.09 | AStorm | might be faster if you set SD clock faster |
| 01:06.32 | AStorm | not sure which bus SD/MMC controller is on |
| 01:10.51 | smackpotato | so about the prioritys i read about but didnt understand how to change them |
| 01:11.18 | AStorm | you can't w/ the default busybox installation |
| 01:11.27 | AStorm | because its swapon doesn't support -p flag |
| 01:11.33 | smackpotato | ok |
| 01:11.42 | AStorm | *it's |
| 01:13.17 | smackpotato | so they will definatly be set with different prioritys |
| 01:13.23 | smackpotato | ? |
| 01:14.23 | AStorm | they will if you use this version of swapon |
| 01:14.36 | AStorm | nother version might do it differently |
| 01:14.36 | smackpotato | thanks |
| 01:15.15 | AStorm | (e.g. one from util-linux sets priority to 0 by default) |
| 01:15.23 | AStorm | (and supports -p) |
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| 01:16.05 | smackpotato | have you tried that |
| 01:18.06 | AStorm | uhm, on NIT no, it's the usual one on any other Linux distro |
| 01:18.37 | pupnik | i should release a softsynth for tablets |
| 01:18.37 | AStorm | but there is a build of util-linux for NIT too, not easy to install due to conflict with busybox |
| 01:18.37 | AStorm | pupnik: do it |
| 01:18.37 | AStorm | esp. timidity |
| 01:18.46 | pupnik | that's been packaged a few times |
| 01:18.48 | AStorm | of course, quality will have to be reduced |
| 01:19.05 | pupnik | it's amazingly resource hungry |
| 01:19.09 | AStorm | it is. |
| 01:19.17 | AStorm | actually, the resampler part is |
| 01:19.25 | AStorm | ad that is an excellent target for DSP code |
| 01:19.46 | pupnik | you are so right |
| 01:19.48 | smackpotato | ya i tried befor and gave up |
| 01:19.59 | AStorm | you can speed it up by using cubic interpolation or even linear |
| 01:20.23 | AStorm | smackpotato: you have to "ignore" the conflict - this means hacking a certain file |
| 01:20.34 | AStorm | don't do it - wait for Mer release. |
| 01:20.47 | smackpotato | ill leave it for others |
| 01:21.14 | AStorm | pupnik: it uses very power-hungry Newton polynomial interpolation by default |
| 01:21.35 | pupnik | AStorm: ahaa... check this http://ln-s.net/2nSa |
| 01:21.51 | pupnik | nice knobs. would be great fun to ln-s them to a virt synth |
| 01:22.55 | AStorm | url doesn't seem to work |
| 01:23.28 | AStorm | maybe ECN trouble? |
| 01:24.59 | AStorm | (i get a connection, but no data) |
| 01:25.28 | AStorm | anyway, sleep awaits |
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| 01:27.30 | AndrewFBlack | Hey guys |
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| 02:46.47 | AFBN810 | Anyone had trouble with new Mer installer |
| 02:49.17 | AFBN810 | getting libc6 error |
| 02:49.43 | AFBN810 | but I have latest version |
| 02:56.39 | jmesquita | Do I have to do anything special with maemo for alsa to detect my snd devs? |
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| 03:01.20 | sisto | jmesquita: what exactly are you doing? sound should work out of the box on the tablets |
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| 03:31.52 | jmesquita | sisto: I am compiling a lib based on PA |
| 03:32.30 | Mousey | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:32.40 | Mousey | thinks . o O ( that's weird... ) |
| 03:33.25 | jmesquita | PA = Port Audio, sorry |
| 03:35.01 | sisto | jmesquita: sorry you sound a lot more literate than I am on this matter... |
| 03:39.33 | jmesquita | sisto: Ehehee, not a problem. It seems that PA and Maemos Alsa support are incompatible ... |
| 03:40.03 | jmesquita | sisto: PA relies on ALSA plugins and Maemo has its own custom plugin to use the tablets dsp |
| 03:40.10 | jmesquita | sisto: If that matters |
| 03:43.57 | sisto | jmesquita: when you said PA first i thought you meant pulseaudio I never heard about port audio... will google |
| 03:48.27 | pupnik | ok maybe |
| 03:48.28 | pupnik | we all send our congressmen cards |
| 03:48.29 | pupnik | with printouts of goatse |
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| 04:01.34 | Mousey | readies his envelopes |
| 04:05.06 | pupnik | oh we have to demand habeus corpus rights |
| 04:05.13 | pupnik | lets not forget that |
| 04:05.15 | pupnik | *demand* |
| 04:09.44 | benson | pupnik: _Why_ are we doing this, and how am I supposed to print it out without seeing it myself? |
| 04:10.19 | pupnik | you surpass me in randomness |
| 04:10.22 | pupnik | i bow to your power |
| 04:10.50 | benson | (Not that I can come up with a _bad_ reason, since we're speaking of congressmen...) |
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| 04:11.18 | pupnik | seriously. talk to your neighbors |
| 04:11.24 | pupnik | make a resolution. |
| 04:11.29 | pupnik | we demand them |
| 04:14.10 | Mousey | oh, is this nokia/dmca? |
| 04:14.17 | Mousey | wait, s/dmca/snooping/ |
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| 05:30.04 | slonopotamus | hi |
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| 05:33.39 | slonopotamus | damn! i know why my gentoo doesn't boot |
| 05:33.43 | slonopotamus | shit |
| 05:34.05 | slonopotamus | ~curse bootmenu, linux distros and everyone |
| 05:34.28 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, bootmenu, linux distros and everyone ! |
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| 05:34.28 | slonopotamus | bootmenu calls /usr/sbin/chroot |
| 05:34.37 | slonopotamus | but i have /usr/bin/chroot |
| 05:34.58 | slonopotamus | damn |
| 05:35.18 | slonopotamus | it tooks me three days to figure out |
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| 05:40.29 | Livingroom | nite all' |
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| 06:55.09 | pundiramit | Hi, did anyone try running a GtkClutter application or test-examples on OMAP3? I can run clutter test examples but getting some errors when I'm trying to run any Gtk-Clutter application. |
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| 07:06.14 | RST38h | A man shopping in a Lenovo store in mainland China has been killed after the phone in his chest pocket exploded, severing arteries and leading to massive blood loss. |
| 07:06.33 | Mousey | nokia? |
| 07:06.35 | RST38h | wonders if the phone was also made by Lenovo |
| 07:06.48 | RST38h | Mousey: I would just blame Lenovo, based on the previous experience. |
| 07:07.44 | Mousey | heh |
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| 07:20.21 | jaska | hmm, 101 day uptime, not bad :D (n810) |
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| 07:24.20 | Mousey | wow |
| 07:24.24 | Mousey | how is that even POSSIBLE |
| 07:24.29 | Mousey | bows in respect |
| 07:24.36 | Proteous | don't reboot? |
| 07:24.41 | mavhc | turn off watchdog? |
| 07:24.53 | Mousey | everybody's got a theory =P |
| 07:24.55 | jaska | hmm, iirc watchdog is on now.. used to be off |
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| 07:25.13 | jaska | but that was before i fixed the internal mmc partition |
| 07:25.19 | mavhc | don't use it much? |
| 07:25.31 | jaska | the kbd backlight lags tho |
| 07:26.09 | jaska | used to mostly ssh around |
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| 07:30.38 | timeless | looks for someone willing to risk their n800/n810 :) |
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| 08:15.07 | keesj | timeless: I am all in for it |
| 08:15.17 | timeless | give me 5mins |
| 08:15.19 | keesj | since my screen is broken anyway |
| 08:15.54 | qwerty12 | thanks Russia for sending their snowstorms here :) |
| 08:16.14 | jaska | send them a firestorm?:D |
| 08:16.50 | qwerty12 | That's not a nice way of saying thanks :P |
| 08:17.29 | timeless | keesj: so your tablet isn't usable? |
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| 08:25.09 | keesj | timeless: well the screen sometimes generated pressess and the acuracy of the touchscreen is sub-optimal. it's anoying enough to not use it |
| 08:25.37 | timeless | ok, i'm rebuilding debs now, i should have things in 10moins |
| 08:25.54 | keesj | yo, |
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| 08:32.17 | keesj | timeless: do you have any requirements regarding the os version?(my os 2008 feature upgrade did not work) |
| 08:32.39 | timeless | i don't think so |
| 08:32.56 | timeless | the debs don't seem to enforce versioning |
| 08:34.49 | timeless | presumably that means i screwed up the conflicts lines |
| 08:34.57 | timeless | oops, wrong window |
| 08:35.10 | Stskeeps | yawns |
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| 08:46.35 | Stskeeps | morning rzr |
| 08:46.42 | Stskeeps | rzr: 770 image is now fixed, it was broken before :) |
| 08:46.50 | timeless | fwiw, i hit a packaging snag, i need to resolve it before i can share |
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| 08:48.13 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: the point is through a curious mechanism to be able to include stuff we wouldn't normally be able to include |
| 08:48.21 | Stskeeps | maybe skype, but most likely nokia made stuff |
| 08:48.41 | Meiz_n810 | ok |
| 08:49.49 | Stskeeps | so it's the things from Maemo you are missing that we need to sneak for instance |
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| 08:50.50 | Meiz_n810 | boots to Mer |
| 08:53.32 | keesj | just decided mer later today |
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| 08:54.38 | Stskeeps | glances over at the beagleboard and should really get jaunty going on it at some point |
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| 08:57.24 | keesj | define jaunty |
| 08:57.48 | Stskeeps | well, ubuntu jaunty armel with a fairly sane debian-style kernel |
| 08:57.49 | timeless | jaunty is ubuntu's next release |
| 08:58.11 | timeless | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope |
| 08:58.13 | Stskeeps | i had mojo going on it before xmas |
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| 08:58.45 | qwerty12 | Anyone happen to know why kill `pidof uptimed` won't work from a prerm script but works fine from a shell? |
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| 09:06.22 | Stskeeps | morning johnx |
| 09:06.39 | johnx | mornin' |
| 09:06.48 | timeless | hello world |
| 09:06.56 | timeless | i was trying to make foo-l10n-enus packages |
| 09:07.12 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 09:07.28 | timeless | but the way the foo-l10n packages exist and conflict w/ foo-l10n-enus seem to mean i can't use foo-l10n-enus as a package name |
| 09:08.38 | timeless | anyone have a suggested package naming scheme? |
| 09:08.46 | timeless | one approach is foo-l10n-enus1 |
| 09:09.06 | timeless | another is foo-l10n-enus-timeless |
| 09:10.09 | RST38h | remoo |
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| 09:13.02 | Stskeeps | timeless: Conflicts/Replaces? :P |
| 09:13.11 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:13.16 | timeless | can't |
| 09:13.24 | timeless | foo-l10n conflicts w/ foo-l10n-enus |
| 09:13.29 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 09:13.39 | timeless | and that would mean that installing foo-l10n-enus would uninstall your other locales |
| 09:13.42 | timeless | which isn't ideal |
| 09:13.54 | timeless | basically the nokia l10n team screwed up royally |
| 09:14.06 | timeless | they should have used version conflicts |
| 09:14.08 | timeless | but didn't |
| 09:14.59 | Stskeeps | well since Provides' doesn't have version numbers, it is a bitch |
| 09:15.17 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: how did the 0.7 release go? |
| 09:16.00 | timeless | :(, my workstation has decided it doesn't need to be responsive |
| 09:16.11 | keesj | hmm mer 0.7 .install fails (application package missing: libc6 (>= 2.5.1) |
| 09:16.30 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: murphys law |
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| 09:16.41 | Stskeeps | keesj: hmm, what package version does it try to download? |
| 09:16.52 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: ah |
| 09:17.11 | keesj | 1.9.5-mer4 |
| 09:17.55 | Stskeeps | ah. now i know what's amatter |
| 09:17.56 | Stskeeps | sec |
| 09:21.22 | Stskeeps | keesj: apt-get update and try again :) i had built on the wrong armel platform |
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| 09:23.42 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: race condition in NFS causing imager to break the installs, built bootmenu on debian-armel instead of SB-DIABLO, rootstrap problems, 770 image not completing build, .. etc |
| 09:23.51 | Stskeeps | besides that, fine |
| 09:24.41 | timeless | ok, mxr.maemo.org/garage now has new content |
| 09:25.41 | timeless | the xref itself hasn't been transfered |
| 09:25.47 | timeless | 507M Jan 28 16:25 xref |
| 09:25.54 | timeless | pushing that will take a while :) |
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| 09:27.07 | crashanddie | good morning my underlings :) |
| 09:27.22 | qwerty12 | morning crashanddie :) |
| 09:27.33 | crashanddie | qwerty12: I take it you're home as well? |
| 09:27.37 | qwerty12 | yep |
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| 09:28.05 | crashanddie | good lad |
| 09:28.27 | qwerty12 | hehe |
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| 09:28.44 | crashanddie | how many inches you got? |
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| 09:29.30 | crashanddie | in a non-sexual way? |
| 09:29.37 | liri | Stskeeps: around? |
| 09:29.55 | Stskeeps | liri: mm? |
| 09:30.18 | qwerty12 | crashanddie, lol, that was the first thing that came to mind >.< but I haven't checked properly yet, lemme see :p |
| 09:31.12 | qwerty12 | About 3-4' |
| 09:31.18 | timeless | jaffa/stskeeps/... |
| 09:31.30 | timeless | any suggestions for my package naming problem? |
| 09:31.34 | crashanddie | qwerty12: last night, I went out for a fag |
| 09:31.38 | liri | Stskeeps: did you try that evolution port to maemo? |
| 09:31.47 | timeless | sp3000? |
| 09:31.47 | crashanddie | qwerty12: I opened the front door, and was like "what the?" |
| 09:31.57 | Myrtti | hello everyone |
| 09:31.59 | Stskeeps | timeless: i think the upcoming debmaster will be good at these questions |
| 09:32.00 | Stskeeps | 'lo Myrtti |
| 09:32.01 | qwerty12 | haha |
| 09:32.05 | qwerty12 | hi Myrtti |
| 09:32.10 | timeless | does that person have a name? |
| 09:32.12 | Stskeeps | liri: no sorry, not yet - i have been shit busy :) |
| 09:32.13 | crashanddie | everything completely white, didn't get it |
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| 09:32.22 | liri | Stskeeps: ahh ok |
| 09:32.24 | Stskeeps | timeless: hehe, not sure yet :) council is still working on it i think |
| 09:32.38 | timeless | since i want to rush something out the door in 30mins |
| 09:32.47 | timeless | i think i'm going to use enus1 |
| 09:33.10 | Jaffa | timeless: sorry, I'm not up-to-speed. What's the problem? |
| 09:33.30 | Jaffa | The debmaster is down to the final few, and hopefully an announcement will be made shortly. |
| 09:33.46 | timeless | in the beginning each package foo |
| 09:34.01 | qwerty12 | Does anyone see "ps aux | grep daemon |grep uptimed | grep -v grep | awk '{print $1}'" as a little convoluted? |
| 09:34.01 | timeless | had a set of corresponding packages foo-l10n-llcc |
| 09:34.16 | timeless | then nokia decided to replace all those llcc's w/ a single package |
| 09:34.18 | timeless | foo-l10n |
| 09:34.21 | timeless | for each foo |
| 09:34.24 | Jaffa | Yup |
| 09:34.28 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: a tad.. |
| 09:34.30 | timeless | unfortunately |
| 09:34.42 | timeless | the foo-l10n package conflicts w/ each foo-l10n-llcc |
| 09:34.47 | timeless | and it isn't a versioned conflict |
| 09:35.01 | timeless | i want to ship a package which should be named foo-l10n-enus |
| 09:35.08 | Jaffa | "enus"? |
| 09:35.14 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, I really can't think of better ways to do it though... if I run kill `pidof uptimed` from a shell it works. If I run it from my prerm, it says it can't find the process :/ |
| 09:35.16 | Jaffa | Oh, as in en_US |
| 09:35.23 | RST38h | Who called eunuchs? |
| 09:35.35 | timeless | but i can't, because doing that would cause the l10n package to be removed which would leave people w/o the other locales |
| 09:35.36 | keesj | Stskeeps: upon the first bootmenu install I did get some errors that the *.items where not there , I guess this is normal but perhaps it's better to test if the files are there |
| 09:35.43 | timeless | so unless i also ship the other locales, they'd only get enus |
| 09:35.56 | crashanddie | qwerty12: it should be possible to simplify that |
| 09:35.57 | Jaffa | timeless: Hmm, annoying |
| 09:36.05 | timeless | no kidding |
| 09:36.10 | Jaffa | timeless: and changing the base package Conflicts isn't an option? |
| 09:36.22 | Stskeeps | keesj: that's fine |
| 09:36.35 | timeless | you mean rewriting the nokia shipped package meta data on everyone's real devices? |
| 09:36.42 | timeless | and worrying about package domains? |
| 09:36.44 | qwerty12 | crashanddie, I'm all ears :). I have to do grep daemon because then, the postrm script ends up killing itself when I remove the package >.< |
| 09:36.46 | Jaffa | timeless: yeah, that :) |
| 09:37.02 | timeless | shall we pretend it isn't particularly realistic for the near future |
| 09:37.04 | Jaffa | timeless: Is your new -enus package optional? |
| 09:37.21 | timeless | my goal is to demo the fact that it's possible to have non lame strings |
| 09:37.25 | Jaffa | timeless: i.e. only people who want en_US will install it? If so, removing the others (assuming it doesn't break SSU or something) should be fine |
| 09:37.28 | crashanddie | qwerty12: first of all, why would you grep -v grep? |
| 09:37.39 | timeless | i'd expect it'd break ssu |
| 09:37.46 | Jaffa | timeless: Or, it does break SSU and it's released to a select few - and not Extras ;) |
| 09:37.52 | keesj | Stskeeps: but after the Mer install and a working boot menu the install doesn't boot(after about 10 seconds it goes back to the boot menu selection) |
| 09:38.03 | timeless | plus i want people to be able to switch to enGB to see the improvements my package has over the original |
| 09:38.17 | qwerty12 | crashanddie, because when I search for the process in ps, the grep process shows up too. Doing a grep -v grep hides that grep process from the output (whoo) |
| 09:38.29 | timeless | qwerty: fwiw |
| 09:38.38 | timeless | ps -o args|grep ^foo |
| 09:38.40 | timeless | can be helpful |
| 09:38.42 | Stskeeps | keesj: oh boy. |
| 09:38.43 | Stskeeps | sec. |
| 09:38.55 | timeless | at least, it works nicely on swift :) |
| 09:39.07 | timeless | (really, ps -eo args|grep ^rsync) |
| 09:39.11 | Jaffa | timeless: if it's just temporary can you just come up with a -enus-new or something? |
| 09:39.25 | timeless | yeah, i can pick any -whatever name |
| 09:39.32 | timeless | suggest one, i'll use it |
| 09:39.46 | crashanddie | qwerty12: if you do a ps aux | grep daemon; it should already remove everything that has no daemon in it ;) |
| 09:39.50 | sp3000 | oh, it takes over gb? no wonder I saw no strings on us |
| 09:39.51 | timeless | -enus1 is what i'm currently considering |
| 09:39.57 | timeless | sp3000: no |
| 09:39.59 | qwerty12 | timeless, thanks but I don't think busybox grep/ps agrees with that. |
| 09:40.02 | Jaffa | timeless: Yeah, that's what I was thinking |
| 09:40.04 | qwerty12 | crashanddie, thanks, lemme see |
| 09:40.14 | crashanddie | qwerty12: hang on, lemme ssh into my device |
| 09:40.16 | Stskeeps | keesj: apologies for this mess, i should have spent more time on it this weekend :) re-run installer and when it asks for URL, provide URL=http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/0.7/mer-armel-n800-image-v0.7.tar.gz |
| 09:40.20 | timeless | sp3000: whcih files did you grab? |
| 09:40.26 | sp3000 | forjx |
| 09:40.29 | timeless | if you grab the latest forjx zip |
| 09:40.43 | timeless | there are two versions, the empty one from before the half time show |
| 09:40.44 | liri | GPE contacts has syncing with google? |
| 09:41.00 | timeless | and the one from about an hour ago (less?) where i actually shipped mo files :) |
| 09:41.17 | timeless | the first one ran into a problem where the debian/foo.install file names weren't correct |
| 09:41.21 | qwerty12 | crashanddie, whee, thanks for that, you're right. I don't need to grep -v grep :) |
| 09:41.24 | timeless | so it didn't package anything :) |
| 09:41.59 | sp3000 | heh |
| 09:42.17 | timeless | well, it packages gtk and one other thing if you want to be technical |
| 09:42.19 | liri | ahh, there's a #gpe channel |
| 09:42.24 | timeless | grab it again and use dpkg -x |
| 09:42.38 | timeless | goes to setup -enus1's |
| 09:43.10 | Stskeeps | notes to himself this was the second-worst release of his life so far :P |
| 09:43.22 | timeless | does it have a chance at being your worst? :) |
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| 09:43.39 | Stskeeps | nop |
| 09:44.11 | Stskeeps | worst was a major waited for release of my old ircd, that in very probable situations mass-killed the entire IRC network |
| 09:44.31 | Stskeeps | which makes it even more ironic i'm doing healthcare software now.. |
| 09:45.59 | RST38h | Sts: What was the 1st ? |
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| 09:46.11 | RST38h | ah |
| 09:46.14 | Stskeeps | RST38h: that one was the worst |
| 09:46.30 | RST38h | has seen worse one |
| 09:46.39 | RST38h | Fortunately, done by competitors |
| 09:46.40 | keesj | I hope it was not his child |
| 09:46.59 | johnx | Stskeeps, but the actual released image worked out ok, right? |
| 09:47.07 | Stskeeps | johnx: yes, it's fine |
| 09:47.28 | crashanddie | qwerty12: ps aux | egrep "daemon.*uptimed" | awk '{print $1}' |
| 09:48.06 | qwerty12 | Wicked, thank you. |
| 09:48.08 | RST38h | Brought down Minneapolis ARTCC |
| 09:48.21 | keesj | does bootmenu now use kexec ? |
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| 09:49.06 | Stskeeps | keesj: no sorry, we use same kernel as diablo currently - there's some KEXEC problems as discussed in previous one |
| 09:49.10 | crashanddie | don't you hate it when you're downloading at 680KB/s but you have to quit as you're about to enter a teammeeting? |
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| 09:49.59 | Corsac_ | hey there |
| 09:50.02 | Stskeeps | RST38h: heh, software bug in copenhagen airport: weather sensors on each end of a runway were reversed in the system |
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| 09:51.09 | genewitch | ok so, i got voip working and it can receive calls... except when the screen shuts off... how do i fix this? |
| 09:51.24 | genewitch | n800 OS2008 |
| 09:51.38 | johnx | genewitch, is this the latest version of OS2008 (diablo)? |
| 09:51.45 | genewitch | johnx: yes |
| 09:51.52 | Jaffa | sighs at #5 at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3135#c5 |
| 09:51.54 | johnx | can you ping the tablet when the machine is off? |
| 09:52.07 | johnx | s/machine/screen/ |
| 09:52.16 | genewitch | let me check |
| 09:52.19 | Stskeeps | (current Modest svn trunk is not public |
| 09:52.19 | Stskeeps | unfortunately). |
| 09:52.20 | Stskeeps | ... |
| 09:52.25 | johnx | Jaffa, yeah :/ that's a real downer |
| 09:53.45 | Corsac_ | hmhm, will the people at FOSDEM have some n810 to sell? |
| 09:54.14 | genewitch | johnx: yes, i can ping it with the screen off |
| 09:54.51 | timeless | ponders |
| 09:54.52 | timeless | so um |
| 09:55.03 | Stskeeps | begins boostrapping a beagleboard image |
| 09:55.06 | genewitch | timeless, thanks for all the help yesterday, btw |
| 09:55.10 | timeless | how do i want to deal w/ this stupid versioning |
| 09:55.22 | timeless | :), enjoy your toy |
| 09:55.31 | genewitch | i bought another one for my girlfriend |
| 09:55.38 | timeless | oh good |
| 09:55.47 | timeless | well, in that case, thanks for supporting my job/employer :) |
| 09:55.49 | crashanddie | you should've waited until the 14th |
| 09:55.50 | genewitch | i might even get my dad one, his palm pilot died |
| 09:56.15 | timeless | tries to be cheerful once i a while |
| 09:56.15 | genewitch | so any ideas about the screen/idle thing interfering with receiving calls? |
| 09:56.32 | timeless | doesn't deal w/ calls |
| 09:56.36 | timeless | other than the strings |
| 09:56.45 | timeless | ok, so um... |
| 09:56.48 | timeless | grumbles |
| 09:57.16 | timeless | osso-countries-l10n-enus1-5.0+r6160-timeless1 |
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| 09:57.23 | timeless | seems like a pretty stupid package name/version |
| 09:57.27 | timeless | agreed? |
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| 09:58.01 | timeless | given that it's the first version of osso-countries-l10n-enus1 |
| 09:58.08 | timeless | sighs |
| 09:58.10 | genewitch | timeless: maybe tl1 |
| 09:58.17 | timeless | nah 0.1 will do |
| 09:58.24 | timeless | once i figure out how to rewrite the other bits |
| 09:58.24 | genewitch | tl0.1? |
| 09:58.31 | timeless | no, really just 0.1 |
| 09:58.35 | genewitch | oh |
| 09:58.42 | timeless | it's my own pacakge since i was force to pick my own name |
| 09:59.18 | genewitch | yeah, i intend to start porting stuff as soon as i get the bugs ironed out of my main ubuntu install |
| 09:59.33 | timeless | could someone tell me what the actual package version number is for osso-countries-l10n ? |
| 09:59.46 | qwerty12 | 5.0+r6160 |
| 09:59.55 | timeless | so if i want to conflict |
| 10:00.10 | timeless | i should write Conflicts: osso-countries-l10n-enus (<= 5.0+r6160) |
| 10:00.11 | timeless | ? |
| 10:00.34 | genewitch | "file pty not found" |
| 10:00.36 | genewitch | oooops |
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| 10:03.13 | RST38h | Jaffa: At this rate, Modest is never going to be usable =) |
| 10:03.57 | qwerty12 | in diablo anyway :) |
| 10:04.23 | RST38h | wonders if https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3295 will ever be fixed |
| 10:04.36 | RST38h | qwerty: Naah, that is not "in Diablo" but "never" |
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| 10:05.26 | RST38h | qwerty: Abut 5-10 showstopping Modest bugs have been fixed so far, including ones scheduled for Fremantle |
| 10:05.56 | qwerty12 | RST38h, yeah :). I more mean that if it is fixed and made into a stable, decent mail client, then it will never be seen for diablo :) |
| 10:05.58 | RST38h | qwerty: the total number is probably more like 40-60 |
| 10:06.00 | keesj | Stskeeps: alright booted into the Mer |
| 10:06.09 | keesj | and going away.. |
| 10:06.35 | RST38h | qwerty: In other words, at this rate we will have fully usable Modest in Maemo8 or so |
| 10:06.43 | L0cmini9 | buongiorno |
| 10:06.45 | Stskeeps | keesj: did it boot now? good |
| 10:07.43 | RST38h | Jaffa: Have you ever tried asking Nokia about opening Modest source code? |
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| 10:08.05 | Stskeeps | isn't it open? |
| 10:08.07 | qwerty12 | The current version in diablo is open |
| 10:08.23 | qwerty12 | But maybe RST38h is referring to their hidden trunk version |
| 10:08.41 | RST38h | qwerty: The only one I found online is outdated |
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| 10:08.58 | RST38h | qwerty: I do not think it is the current diablo version, way too olg |
| 10:10.08 | johnx | RST38h, do you have your tablet in front of you? can you tell me the version of modest installed? |
| 10:10.09 | qwerty12 | RST38h, Nokia's update repo has the current diablo version at 1.0-2008.43-1 and there are 1.0-2008.43-1 debs in http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/m/modest/ |
| 10:11.00 | RST38h | johnx: I don't :( It is on though, but behind two NATs |
| 10:11.19 | johnx | RST38h, I know how that goes :/ |
| 10:11.23 | johnx | ~lart NATs |
| 10:11.23 | infobot | whips out a hot clue gun and makes sure that NATs is stuck to the floor |
| 10:11.39 | RST38h | qwerty: Maybe I should pull it down and hack on it |
| 10:12.07 | qwerty12 | You'd probably do a better job than nokia did :) |
| 10:12.12 | RST38h | qwerty: Nothing major just fix small crap that nobody cares to fix |
| 10:12.22 | RST38h | qwerty: Not sure abut it |
| 10:12.34 | johnx | ...and build a spectrum ZX emu into it :D |
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| 10:12.56 | qwerty12 | Some hacks were done by yerga (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=228848), not functionality hacks but interface ones |
| 10:13.09 | RST38h | ! |
| 10:13.18 | qwerty12 | But I guess that could go under functionality anyway |
| 10:13.36 | timeless | ponders |
| 10:13.39 | RST38h | All accounts in folder view - perfect |
| 10:13.48 | timeless | i wonder if my 1000 char script should exist in a file |
| 10:13.49 | RST38h | Just what I wanted |
| 10:14.20 | qwerty12 | You'll need to rebuild from source though, that build seems for an older ssu |
| 10:14.33 | johnx | timeless, just in ~/.bash_history for now? |
| 10:14.35 | RST38h | yes, he modified .35 |
| 10:14.41 | timeless | notepad on my laptop |
| 10:14.44 | RST38h | Need to wget the latest sources first |
| 10:14.46 | timeless | my shells don't keep history |
| 10:15.01 | johnx | sorry to hear that :( |
| 10:15.54 | RST38h | johnx: having a pocket-sized unix machine hidden somewhere in the house and open to ssh has some really weird appeal |
| 10:16.09 | johnx | RST38h, especially if it has a webcam and mic :) |
| 10:16.32 | RST38h | johnx: naah, those do make it stronger but do not define it |
| 10:16.36 | johnx | back in high school I had a full tower samba server hidden under a desk in a storage room :) |
| 10:17.03 | RST38h | johnx: but I am afraid a shrink would have lots to say about this feeling =) |
| 10:17.15 | johnx | it eventually developed important quasi-official duties, but it's physical location wasn't discovered until more than a year after I left... |
| 10:17.36 | timeless | well, script seems to work :) |
| 10:17.50 | johnx | I think some kind of timing attack was used to narrow down the location eventually... |
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| 10:19.30 | timeless | johnx: wow |
| 10:19.30 | johnx | :D |
| 10:19.31 | Stskeeps | johnx: i have once or twice considering hubbing up under the panels in the hallway.. |
| 10:19.31 | Stskeeps | considered |
| 10:19.40 | Stskeeps | except our ethernet is kinda authed :) |
| 10:20.04 | timeless | johnx: my favorite story is iirc a pdp11 that was encased in a wall somewhere |
| 10:20.19 | johnx | Stskeeps, we did that in my dorm in college. We wired an AP into the drop ceiling in the hall so we could have inet access in the dorm lounge and powered it off an exit sign |
| 10:20.23 | timeless | but i can't seem to find the article about it |
| 10:20.32 | Stskeeps | johnx: hehe |
| 10:20.35 | timeless | nice |
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| 10:21.52 | johnx | eventually they cracked down on rogue APs and when someone started asking around we had to do a hurried extraction |
| 10:22.08 | timeless | heh |
| 10:23.08 | Stskeeps | johnx: sometimes seperating university and dorms is a good thing.. they are much more strict at campus here |
| 10:24.12 | johnx | heh...well it wasn't so much a case of leniency as the fact that they couldn't triangulate it without GPS... |
| 10:25.38 | timeless | gps indoors is um... |
| 10:25.43 | qwerty12 | RST38h, I've collected yerga's patches if you want to apply it to latest modest: http://pastebin.com/mc217a4 |
| 10:26.15 | Stskeeps | johnx: it's fairly trivial armed with a pda to track it down if need be :P |
| 10:27.52 | timeless | ooh |
| 10:27.59 | timeless | i think mxr.maemo.org/garage's index is live |
| 10:28.05 | timeless | in case people want to use it |
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| 10:28.28 | timeless | oh, no, almost live |
| 10:28.30 | Stskeeps | johnx: think my focus for 0.8 is nit-kernel-compat, some more work on community firmware images, #4016 and beagleboard support |
| 10:28.32 | timeless | forgot the last step |
| 10:28.42 | Stskeeps | johnx: and improving for the 770 |
| 10:29.05 | johnx | Stskeeps, ah, so we can be based on a later kernel if we want? |
| 10:29.16 | Stskeeps | yeah, for instance |
| 10:29.21 | Stskeeps | in this case, jffs2 images |
| 10:30.44 | timeless | -rw-r--r-- 1 timeless pg922508 507M 2009-01-28 06:25 garage/xref |
| 10:30.44 | timeless | -rw-r--r-- 1 timeless pg922508 146M 2008-09-18 17:02 garage1/xref |
| 10:30.54 | timeless | it's amazing how much garage has grown :o |
| 10:31.11 | Stskeeps | well after stuff like SF and such turned totally crap.. |
| 10:31.12 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:31.36 | timeless | -rw-r--r-- 1 timeless pg922508 15M 2009-01-30 02:29 garage/.glimpse_filenames |
| 10:31.37 | timeless | -rw-rw-r-- 1 timeless pg922508 8.5M 2008-12-17 06:35 garage1/.glimpse_filenames |
| 10:31.51 | timeless | oddly the amount in terms of files hasn't grown to match index size |
| 10:32.14 | timeless | discards garage1 |
| 10:33.02 | timeless | sighs |
| 10:33.07 | timeless | kicks zenity |
| 10:33.20 | timeless | oh oops |
| 10:33.34 | timeless | i knew i forgot to do something |
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| 10:33.37 | timeless | sighs |
| 10:35.41 | RST38h | qwerty: Thanks! Going to try building it tonight if I have time |
| 10:36.02 | qwerty12 | I've actually built it here, want me to up the debs? |
| 10:36.22 | RST38h | qwerty: Naah, I wil have to build it from source anyway if I am going to fix some other things in it |
| 10:36.33 | timeless | ok, it isn't perfect, but it should work |
| 10:36.45 | RST38h | qwerty: But uploading it to that iTT thread should make a lot of people happy =) |
| 10:36.45 | qwerty12 | RST38h, 'Twas the answer I was hoping for :) |
| 10:42.14 | lcuk | sudo apt-get remove snow ice |
| 10:42.34 | qwerty12 | sudo dpkg --purge --force-all snow ice |
| 10:42.42 | qwerty12 | lcuk, how's the snow up there? |
| 10:43.18 | lcuk | not that bad actually, horrid near home but once i got on the motorway and such it wasnt too bad |
| 10:43.56 | qwerty12 | Hehe, it hasn't snowed like that down here :) |
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| 10:44.21 | lcuk | thats cos you warm jessies left the heating on overnight :P |
| 10:44.39 | qwerty12 | Heating? Ha. |
| 10:45.32 | qwerty12 | Boiler doesn't agree with central heating >.< :) |
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| 10:47.38 | Stskeeps | ponders where to get proper usb host adaptor in .dk |
| 10:48.23 | genewitch | i vaguely recall there being a "windows environment on maemo" thread somewhere, is there a wine port? |
| 10:48.47 | johnx | genewitch, nope. |
| 10:48.49 | qwerty12 | No, wine emulates windows api calls, not a x86 processor. |
| 10:49.22 | johnx | there's dosbox or bochs, but they're not fast enough to be usable for running windows |
| 10:49.36 | Stskeeps | rdesktop instead |
| 10:49.49 | genewitch | i don't want to emulate windows, i just want to run a windows app |
| 10:50.01 | genewitch | johnx: is a port possible, do you think? |
| 10:50.11 | genewitch | even of an old version |
| 10:50.13 | timeless | ok, well, that xref isn't perfect, but i hope people use it a bit |
| 10:50.22 | timeless | i'll see about getting the fremantle sdk indexed this week too |
| 10:50.35 | timeless | it requires me to find a script and make sure it still works |
| 10:50.44 | johnx | genewitch, you can't port windows or run a windows app on an n8x0 without emulating an x86 processor |
| 10:50.52 | johnx | and you can't 'port' an app unless you have source code |
| 10:51.11 | genewitch | Oh, that makes sense |
| 10:51.18 | genewitch | it's late |
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| 10:51.49 | timeless | help? |
| 10:52.11 | timeless | dpkg-source: error: source package has two conflicting values - gtk20-l10n-enus1 and gtk20-l10n-enus |
| 10:52.16 | genewitch | johnx: did you happen to think of any reason i can't get calls when the screen is off, even though the machine is pingable? |
| 10:52.25 | genewitch | it doesn't even tell me i missed a call |
| 10:53.10 | johnx | genewitch, ah, sorry I didn't see where you said the machine was pingable |
| 10:53.26 | timeless | oh |
| 10:53.28 | timeless | stupid me |
| 10:53.30 | genewitch | johnx: well, you're not my personal help desk rep, i didn't want to hound you |
| 10:54.13 | johnx | hmm. are you talking about a SIP call? or gizmo? or skype? |
| 10:54.20 | genewitch | sip |
| 10:55.29 | timeless | fixes changelogs |
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| 10:56.07 | genewitch | hmm it appears to not be accepting calls at all now |
| 10:56.32 | johnx | ah, well that's more consistent at least |
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| 10:59.39 | genewitch | i'm gunna let it fall back asleep |
| 10:59.44 | genewitch | maybe it's a keepalive issue |
| 10:59.52 | genewitch | i changed it from 3600 to 360 |
| 11:01.14 | timeless | wonders if there's some flag to make dpkg-buildpackage faster |
| 11:02.18 | sp3000 | if you're running it the second time, rm build outside sbox to avoid the mysterious slowness |
| 11:02.28 | genewitch | johnx: it appears that the device going to sleep knocks me off the SIP network |
| 11:02.43 | sp3000 | the second? er, as in, you've got a build tree that needs removing |
| 11:03.03 | sp3000 | DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=parallel=n is another |
| 11:03.04 | timeless | i think i want --do-not-make-source-packages |
| 11:03.09 | sp3000 | -b |
| 11:03.11 | sp3000 | iirc |
| 11:03.12 | timeless | i'm not using a scratchbox |
| 11:03.18 | timeless | vmware + mer :) |
| 11:03.28 | sp3000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:04.04 | sp3000 | fuds |
| 11:04.27 | timeless | early for food? |
| 11:04.59 | genewitch | grrr i don't want to have to leave this on and plugged in all day just to receive calls. |
| 11:05.11 | sp3000 | I got here for 10am for a mtg that turned out to be delayed, yay |
| 11:05.18 | timeless | heh |
| 11:05.27 | timeless | ok, i'll be @food in 15-20 |
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| 11:10.29 | johnx | genewitch, that's odd. I haven't played with SIP much but if you can ping the machine while the screen is off I don't see why you wouldn't be able to receive calls... |
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| 11:34.41 | genewitch | johnx: it appears like my device is saying it's connected (and can make calls) but loses it's ability to receive calls after an arbitrary number of minutes |
| 11:35.10 | johnx | genewitch, you might want to try disabling wifi power saving mode just so we can rule it out |
| 11:35.11 | genewitch | i just tested it again (it's plugged in and received a test call when i plugged it in) and it's not receiving again. i might have to call my voip company |
| 11:36.01 | Stskeeps | yes, definately disable power saving and see if that helps |
| 11:36.26 | genewitch | how? i've seen that before, but what panel is it in |
| 11:36.39 | qwerty12 | ~wifi-psm |
| 11:36.48 | infobot | wifi-psm is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM) |
| 11:36.48 | Stskeeps | ~psm |
| 11:36.49 | infobot | [psm] Personal Security Manager for Mozilla, at http://docs.iplanet.com/docs/manuals/psm/psm-mozilla/index.html. You don't need to restart mozilla as noted on that URL. It also consumes 100% CPU unfortunately... lame piece of software. no longer works as of mozilla 0.7, or needed for viewing of some login sites, i.e. yahoo. install by apt-get install mozilla-psm |
| 11:36.49 | Stskeeps | .. |
| 11:37.07 | Stskeeps | yeah, wifi-psm |
| 11:37.30 | johnx | polluted bot-namespace :) |
| 11:38.48 | genewitch | ok |
| 11:39.10 | genewitch | testing now, plugged in and on |
| 11:39.33 | Stskeeps | remember to reconnect |
| 11:39.34 | genewitch | it rings and connects... |
| 11:39.36 | genewitch | good. |
| 11:40.00 | genewitch | i can close the internet phone app as long as the SIP light is on at the top, right? |
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| 11:41.03 | genewitch | i'll leave it alone for a while and see what happens. |
| 11:43.11 | RST38h | Is there ANY MicroB extensions that does not consume 100% cpu? =) |
| 11:44.26 | qwerty12 | wmlbrowser? :) |
| 11:44.46 | RST38h | hehe |
| 11:45.06 | RST38h | qwerty: Got snowed in? =) |
| 11:45.24 | qwerty12 | Thankfully not but there sure as hell is a lot of snow :D |
| 11:45.40 | qwerty12 | Reminds me of the North :) |
| 11:46.19 | RST38h | doesn't get this south-north distinction in UK. The whole place is a freaking island, and a small one, no? |
| 11:46.58 | qwerty12 | The north is the part where you don't want to go with horrible places like Manchester etc... :P |
| 11:47.02 | RST38h | Shouldn't it have the same weather (wet, temperate) across the whole place? |
| 11:47.13 | Stskeeps | RST38h: large difference between people in west/east/north/south dk too |
| 11:47.20 | RST38h | Sts: Weird |
| 11:47.40 | Stskeeps | accents, etc |
| 11:50.51 | Veggen | places in Norway, one could hear if a person is from up in the valley or some km down in the valley. |
| 11:51.50 | _berto_ | that happens all over the world :) |
| 11:52.01 | RST38h | In .RU it usually means a different nationality |
| 11:52.45 | RST38h | or some obscure tribe |
| 11:52.49 | qwerty12 | pukes as he sees a doc file uploaded to itT |
| 11:53.04 | RST38h | qwerty: Respond with .ppt! |
| 11:53.06 | RST38h | hides |
| 11:53.10 | qwerty12 | hehe |
| 11:54.14 | johnx | RST38h, really? no regional accents? |
| 11:54.57 | RST38h | johnx: mostly intonational and in sentence structure |
| 11:55.43 | johnx | well, that's the definition of an accent, isn't it? |
| 11:55.45 | RST38h | johnx: about 70% of the population lives in the cities of 100k+ people |
| 11:56.03 | crashanddie | about 92% of all statistics are made up |
| 11:56.11 | genewitch | still fails to receive calls after a while with PMS off |
| 11:56.23 | genewitch | this has to be a SIP keepalive issue |
| 11:56.32 | RST38h | johnx: well, if you want heavy accent, it has ot be pronounciation |
| 11:56.43 | crashanddie | or dislexia |
| 11:57.32 | RST38h | johnx: Otherwise, you get something like Maryland accent - perfectly correct am. english with some intonation jumps |
| 11:57.48 | johnx | crashanddie, dislexia is mostly about reading I think |
| 11:58.08 | RST38h | johnx: you are like you know...like wrong! =) |
| 11:58.13 | johnx | RST38h, I see what you mean. and I assume no regional dialects? |
| 11:58.15 | crashanddie | johnx: ever asked someone with dislexia to read a text and not think about the words he's saying? |
| 11:58.29 | RST38h | johnx: There are lots. Or HAVE BEEN |
| 11:58.40 | crashanddie | johnx: I can assure you, it's funny as hell, and more over, one helluvan accent |
| 11:58.56 | johnx | crashanddie, errr...but only when reading |
| 11:59.10 | RST38h | johnx: As population migrated to cities, most regional dialects have been lost |
| 11:59.25 | crashanddie | erhm |
| 11:59.30 | johnx | RST38h, that's quite interesting. When was the big move to cities? |
| 11:59.35 | crashanddie | RST38h: you've never been in London, have you? |
| 11:59.37 | qwerty12 | crashanddie, please. I know a dyslexic person and he had to read the entire scene of Macbeth. The amount of mistakes I heard made me think I was listening to a remake. |
| 11:59.51 | RST38h | johnx: Started with industrialization and famine in 1920s |
| 12:00.09 | RST38h | johnx: Second wave happened after WWII |
| 12:00.21 | RST38h | crash: Nope, but I know what you mean =) |
| 12:00.40 | crashanddie | RST38h: I can assure you there's more accents in London that any rural place I lived in |
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| 12:00.57 | johnx | RST38h, I always find it interesting when places have similar histories and still end up with strong regional accents/dialects... |
| 12:01.09 | crashanddie | anyway, gotta run, food |
| 12:01.20 | johnx | yes. run away from the food |
| 12:02.01 | RST38h | johnx: Well, there is at least one strong accent remaining in the south, but it is mostly of ukrainian descent |
| 12:02.45 | RST38h | johnx: Reset of the country is mostly preoccupied with stuff like"shawerma" (SpB) vs "shaurma" (Moscow) |
| 12:02.50 | RST38h | s/reset/rest |
| 12:05.22 | kessu | hi, can i use windows maemo flash program to flash local image to n800 (downgrade os2008 to os 2007) |
| 12:05.31 | qwerty12 | yes |
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| 12:05.42 | kessu | thanks |
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| 12:07.38 | RST38h | If you have a desktop or notebook computer and are aged between 25 and 55, there's nearly a one in five chance you have already bought a netbook. |
| 12:07.48 | RST38h | Crazy people. |
| 12:07.56 | b-man | hehe |
| 12:08.22 | johnx | RST38h, not everyone has $1500 to sink on an ultraportable |
| 12:08.35 | genewitch | yeah, it's working properly now |
| 12:08.46 | genewitch | i am going to attempt to turn the power saving back on |
| 12:08.57 | genewitch | i set "keepalive" to auto, 0 |
| 12:09.02 | johnx | genewitch, yeah, that would be a good test |
| 12:09.03 | genewitch | it's working with the screen off now |
| 12:09.21 | b-man|grogy | is suprised when he successfully compiles/builds several packages in ubuntu while maemo locks up and crashes on the same packages - and he's doing this under a full ubuntu-desktop env 0_o |
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| 12:12.30 | genewitch | johnx: it appears to be working now! |
| 12:12.40 | genewitch | i have to call them tomorrow and find out what that is supposed to be set to |
| 12:13.07 | RST38h | johnx: So, instead they first sink $1000 on a budget laptop and then sink $400 on a netbook =) |
| 12:13.47 | Jaffa | Oh noes, the netbook argument again. |
| 12:13.49 | Jaffa | runs for the hills |
| 12:13.57 | RST38h | johnx: On the other hand, this defuses domestic conflicts over a computer :) |
| 12:14.01 | johnx | RST38h, yes. and now they have a machine to leave at home (your average 15.4" notebook isn't really 'portable' in the strictest sense) and a portable machine. also provides redundancy |
| 12:15.00 | johnx | though I think after another generation or two we'll see 10" "netbooks" being primary machines |
| 12:15.03 | RST38h | never seen a point in those 15.4" monsters. Had a 14.1" laptop once, absolutely hated it |
| 12:15.25 | RST38h | johnx: BTW, can you actually run Studio .NET on a netbook? |
| 12:15.41 | RST38h | is it usable for development? |
| 12:15.50 | johnx | RST38h, why would an everyday user want to do that? you're not the target demographic... |
| 12:16.13 | johnx | RST38h, also, the 1st and 2nd question could be taken separately to great comedic effect :P |
| 12:16.17 | RST38h | johnx: It's a semipersonal question |
| 12:16.58 | johnx | RST38h, 1) never used .NET, 2) I use windows only for games, so 3) I have no idea |
| 12:17.00 | RST38h | johnx: not going to develop on it personally, but have been asked if it is possible |
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| 12:20.15 | RST38h | Found it: http://www.eeejournal.com/2009/01/intel-atom-n270-vs-via-nano-vs-core-2.html |
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| 12:21.34 | johnx | jeez. that's actually pretty respectable. close to a pentium M clock-for-clock |
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| 12:22.17 | RST38h | johnx: the problem is that it is SpECint |
| 12:22.29 | johnx | and specFP |
| 12:22.33 | RST38h | a very special kind of test. currently looking for more realistic stuff |
| 12:22.52 | johnx | also: Is that taking advantage of both cores or not? |
| 12:23.05 | RST38h | one |
| 12:23.12 | johnx | heh |
| 12:23.21 | RST38h | http://www.eeejournal.com/2008/05/eee-pc-vs-msi-wind-atom-vs-celeron-cpu.html |
| 12:23.39 | RST38h | Looks like it is not much worse than Pentium3M which is reassuring |
| 12:24.22 | johnx | like I said: next generation or the one after that |
| 12:25.00 | RST38h | johnx: Next. |
| 12:25.40 | RST38h | johnx: Atl east, if the battery life is not a concern :) |
| 12:25.42 | johnx | I think Intel is definitely capable of making a decent chip in that power envelope at that price, but will they really be willing to compete against themselves? |
| 12:25.44 | AndrewFBlack | Morning |
| 12:25.53 | johnx | hi AndrewFBlack |
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| 12:26.09 | johnx | RST38h, heh. we already know that Average Joe doesn't actually think about battery life :) |
| 12:26.31 | RST38h | johnx: The only thing that matters is the margin |
| 12:26.48 | aquatix | RST38h: i think the resolution on a netbook is too low for visual studio |
| 12:26.52 | johnx | RST38h, the margin is crap on the Atom, IIRC |
| 12:26.52 | RST38h | johnx: So, atom or no atom, if the margin is good... |
| 12:26.55 | aquatix | 1024x600 doesn't cut it |
| 12:27.08 | RST38h | uses 1024x768 notebook |
| 12:27.11 | Stskeeps | AndrewFBlack: most errorss shouuld be fixed now |
| 12:27.24 | AndrewFBlack | ok I'll give it a try |
| 12:27.40 | aquatix | has 1280x800 thankfully, and even that is on the low side |
| 12:27.42 | aquatix | imho :) |
| 12:27.53 | RST38h | johnx: Well, I am legally unable to argue on this topic. |
| 12:28.26 | johnx | RST38h, heh. forgot about that :) |
| 12:28.27 | RST38h | johnx: But let us just say that it is ok. |
| 12:29.00 | AndrewFBlack | My FN button quit working yesterday reflashed and it started working again |
| 12:29.07 | johnx | RST38h, very interesting indeed :) |
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| 12:31.58 | AndrewFBlack | I know most people don't use built in Map program but would it be possible to symlink the map directory to external so I can just plug in that card when I need the GPS |
| 12:32.33 | johnx | AndrewFBlack, unless you format your internal card as ext2/3 you can't make symlinks on it |
| 12:32.53 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: remember if it was easy to remove maemo-mappers libgpsbt dependancies? |
| 12:33.51 | AndrewFBlack | johnx well I'm considering using internal card for OS I almost never use GPS but I paid for subscription so I want to have it as an option without wasting almost a GB of space |
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| 12:34.13 | johnx | AndrewFBlack, yeah. that would be fine in that case |
| 12:34.14 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, yeah, I just forced libgpsbt-dev to be installed but it detects whether libgpsbt is available during compile |
| 12:34.32 | AndrewFBlack | johnx, Thanks |
| 12:35.19 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: intriguing:) |
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| 12:42.24 | AndrewFBlack | Stskeeps, is 2GB internal card on N810 big enough for Mer? |
| 12:42.43 | AStorm | sure |
| 12:44.32 | Stskeeps | AndrewFBlack: yes |
| 12:44.53 | Stskeeps | we fill about 300mb unpacked i think |
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| 12:46.15 | AndrewFBlack | Stskeeps, ok wanting to save my external card for Deblet I think because I'm getting to the point where I can't stand Hildon lol I'm killing to give up a little easy of operation for better looking sometimes |
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| 12:46.45 | AndrewFBlack | Stskeeps, Also if you need a mirror for Mer I can set up on on Maemobox.org |
| 12:46.47 | Stskeeps | mm, dont nother with deblet if you plan to install it |
| 12:46.58 | Stskeeps | AndrewFBlack: k, will look at it |
| 12:47.11 | AndrewFBlack | why not? |
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| 12:47.30 | kpel | hi |
| 12:47.43 | Stskeeps | mer is deblet successor and im not working more on it |
| 12:47.49 | AndrewFBlack | ahh ok |
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| 12:48.00 | AndrewFBlack | I thought you were keeping both |
| 12:48.02 | Stskeeps | b-mans ubuntu might be ok though |
| 12:48.15 | AndrewFBlack | yeah but install might still be a little hard for me |
| 12:48.23 | Stskeeps | ah - mer will be able to do same and more |
| 12:49.08 | AndrewFBlack | will we be able to use other desktop eviroments on Mer lol right now I've been using Maemo and using Easy Debian Lxde replacemnt all the time |
| 12:49.36 | qwerty12_N800 | IMAP is better than POP3, right? |
| 12:49.48 | Stskeeps | i like imap better |
| 12:49.55 | AndrewFBlack | qwerty12_N800, so do I |
| 12:49.56 | Jaffa | qwerty12_N800; yeah, although POP3's easier to talk for a human |
| 12:50.18 | Stskeeps | yes, theres a small bug with a transition package but besides that/. |
| 12:50.21 | qwerty12_N800 | Good enough for me, thanks all :) |
| 12:55.05 | Stskeeps | johnx: was h-d-e a x-session-manager? |
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| 12:58.18 | genewitch | is there a guide to getting video onto the n800 correctly? only some videos i use the internet tablet video converter for actually play, the others play for 4 seconds, then stutter out |
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| 12:58.40 | genewitch | the stuff i get that is already mp4 SEEMS to work, but i don't have enough to verify |
| 12:58.54 | Jaffa | genewitch: http://wiki.maemo.org/Video_encoding IRRC |
| 12:59.46 | RST38h | genewitch: Use Tablet Video Converter provided by Nokia |
| 12:59.57 | RST38h | genewitch: If you can't, just use mencoder |
| 13:00.45 | johnx | Stskeeps, yes |
| 13:01.17 | genewitch | RST38h: i am using that, the videos it puts out stutter sometimes |
| 13:01.31 | timeless | stskeeps? |
| 13:01.35 | timeless | for your next release |
| 13:01.37 | genewitch | i should say, sometimes the videos it puts out are unplayable |
| 13:01.43 | timeless | could you not ship y our .bash_history to every user? :) |
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| 13:01.56 | johnx | genewitch, are you using mplayer or the built in media player? |
| 13:02.03 | johnx | timeless, was this the 770 image? |
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| 13:02.11 | timeless | no |
| 13:02.24 | genewitch | johnx: mplayer. should i use the built in for the pre-converted ones? |
| 13:02.26 | timeless | this is the 0.7 pre that i got for n8x0 afaik |
| 13:02.34 | johnx | timeless, first debian tar.gz I did I shipped some mp3s as well and my /etc/hostname O_o |
| 13:02.35 | timeless | although, i could be wrong |
| 13:02.46 | timeless | heh |
| 13:03.06 | johnx | genewitch, I'm just asking because they work best with different settings. so if you are using Nokia's converter it works best with the built in player |
| 13:03.15 | johnx | if you are using tablet-encode it works best with mplayer |
| 13:03.34 | genewitch | omg |
| 13:03.37 | genewitch | your fixed it |
| 13:03.41 | genewitch | you* |
| 13:04.05 | timeless | johnx: can you check to see if that's still broken and add it to the "not to repeat" thing |
| 13:04.06 | genewitch | <3 |
| 13:04.12 | timeless | oops, i think hildon-desktop crashed |
| 13:04.40 | timeless | my coworker is not impressed |
| 13:05.32 | johnx | timeless, checking |
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| 13:05.49 | genewitch | johnx: that is totally awesome! the internet video converter is the first program i've used that even came close to actually converting the files for a mobile device, and now that all the files i converted work, it's awesome! |
| 13:06.09 | johnx | genewitch, ah. good deal. you were using mplayer I take it? |
| 13:06.10 | genewitch | i have a PSP and a mini video player as well, and i could never get the converters to work properly |
| 13:06.24 | genewitch | johnx: yes, cause it was playing all the other files i had |
| 13:06.40 | genewitch | family guy stuff that i ripped for my PSP that the PSP balked at, for instance |
| 13:07.39 | johnx | timeless, no .bash_history here on a fresh 0.7... |
| 13:07.52 | timeless | i'm not sure it's bash history per se |
| 13:08.06 | timeless | it was something w/ some apt repository stuff |
| 13:08.16 | johnx | hmm? |
| 13:08.18 | timeless | basically it was stuff i saw when i pressed <up> in my xterm |
| 13:08.29 | johnx | as root or user? |
| 13:08.39 | timeless | user |
| 13:08.51 | johnx | I'm really not seeing it here |
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| 13:09.25 | johnx | also, I'd be terribly curious if you could tell me what you were doing when h-d crashed... |
| 13:10.36 | johnx | ah...hmmm...you used b-man's installer, didn't you? |
| 13:11.22 | johnx | but the user gets created in f-b-w...so I really don't see how it would end up with a .bash_history or similar |
| 13:11.46 | StsN800 | wtf@bash history |
| 13:12.06 | Corsac_ | do you guys know a cheap (~200$) way to get a n810, with shipment to france? In france it's still at ~330€ but amazon.com and stuff like that don't want to ship to .EU |
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| 13:12.11 | StsN800 | what user? |
| 13:12.30 | johnx | Corsac_, get a friend in the US to ship it to you. :) |
| 13:12.47 | StsN800 | and was it the vmdk? |
| 13:13.01 | Corsac_ | johnx: that's an idea, but if there was a direct way… |
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| 13:14.30 | aquatix | got it that way a year ago :) |
| 13:14.43 | Corsac_ | aquatix: eheh |
| 13:17.15 | Jaffa | Corsac_: there are various services which will forward US mail, for exactly this purpose, too |
| 13:17.15 | StsN800 | timeless, no clue, no .bash_histories in my actual images |
| 13:19.37 | Corsac_ | Jaffa: yeah but often distributosr refuse to ship to those address, don't they? |
| 13:21.00 | Jaffa | dunnos - never tried them |
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| 13:37.18 | AndrewFBlack | are there no more apps for Mer in the repositorys right now other then ones that come installed with it? |
| 13:37.55 | johnx | AndrewFBlack, that's pretty much it right now |
| 13:38.01 | AndrewFBlack | ok |
| 13:38.24 | Jaffa | AndrewFBlack: enable maemo.org Extras and see what works ;-) |
| 13:38.27 | Jaffa | vim should. |
| 13:38.51 | Stskeeps | AndrewFBlack: try enable red pill and then activate "show all packages" :) |
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| 13:39.27 | Stskeeps | (it might take a tiny bit of time to update the list and show it) |
| 13:40.25 | aquatix | hm, in mer 0.6 i couldn't find the appmgr :) |
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| 13:41.10 | Stskeeps | aquatix: it's there in 0.7 now :) |
| 13:41.15 | Stskeeps | just grab the new VMDK |
| 13:41.16 | aquatix | k :) |
| 13:41.16 | AndrewFBlack | Stskeeps, Stiil not seeing anything |
| 13:41.20 | aquatix | will try later today |
| 13:41.23 | aquatix | at work now |
| 13:41.27 | Stskeeps | AndrewFBlack: are you connected to the net? |
| 13:41.58 | AndrewFBlack | Stskeeps, lol no |
| 13:42.02 | Stskeeps | AndrewFBlack: well then |
| 13:42.07 | Stskeeps | connect first, then start HAM |
| 13:42.12 | Stskeeps | (i was surprised too.) |
| 13:42.32 | Stskeeps | it will ask for connection when we have a proper libconic |
| 13:44.35 | timeless | i kinda killed my mer, it's busy |
| 13:44.58 | Stskeeps | hehe, what are you doing to it? |
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| 13:51.09 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: re #4062, can you run it in terminal, and run 'merinstall' in /usr/libexec/mer (i think) |
| 13:51.15 | Andrewblack | Stskeeps, You had any trouble connected to a secure wireless network? |
| 13:51.22 | Stskeeps | Andrewblack: WPA2 works for me |
| 13:51.37 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps: yep |
| 13:51.49 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: and then paste the error it generates into the bug |
| 13:51.57 | Stskeeps | Andrewblack: what kind of network? |
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| 13:52.34 | Stskeeps | afternoon wazd :) |
| 13:52.35 | Andrewblack | wpa2 |
| 13:52.59 | Andrewblack | Authentication type is wpa-psk + wpa2-psk |
| 13:53.10 | Stskeeps | hm, works for me |
| 13:53.17 | Andrewblack | should i make it just wpa2-psk |
| 13:53.28 | Stskeeps | is it hidden SSID? |
| 13:53.32 | Andrewblack | no |
| 13:53.36 | wazd | hello everyone) |
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| 13:53.41 | Stskeeps | wpa2-psk i gues |
| 13:53.41 | Stskeeps | s |
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| 13:57.28 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps:no errors |
| 13:57.32 | Meizirkki | it just dies |
| 13:57.45 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: hmmm. |
| 13:58.07 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: well, the last part of the terminal output then :) |
| 13:58.13 | Meizirkki | ! it didn't die now |
| 13:58.19 | Meizirkki | hmm |
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| 13:59.22 | Meizirkki | i selected mmcblk0p4 for mer, then i selected the same partition for swap (it's my swap-partition usyally) and it didn't die |
| 13:59.34 | timeless | hey, how do i reconfigure mer to speak en-US? |
| 14:00.27 | Stskeeps | timeless: well since we don't have other locales than en_GB for hildon, it gets boring :P but edit /usr/bin/start-hildon |
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| 14:00.59 | timeless | stskeeps: i wrote my own :) |
| 14:01.03 | timeless | i'd like to use them |
| 14:01.29 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 14:01.30 | Meizirkki | this is confusing |
| 14:01.45 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: try make a walkthrough of what causes it to di |
| 14:01.45 | Stskeeps | e |
| 14:02.23 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps: got it |
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| 14:02.40 | Meizirkki | it dies when it tries to write bootmenu for external card |
| 14:03.08 | Meizirkki | when i select partition from internal card, no problem |
| 14:03.23 | Stskeeps | k |
| 14:03.26 | Stskeeps | write in bug report |
| 14:03.31 | Meizirkki | ok |
| 14:03.32 | Stskeeps | then we can point b-man to it |
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| 14:05.02 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: ping |
| 14:08.04 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: there's a white-page problem on wiki.maemo.org again btw |
| 14:08.32 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Yes, I've noticed that too.. |
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| 14:09.32 | Stskeeps | wb AndrewFBlack |
| 14:10.25 | AndrewFBlack | thanks I dropped security on my network going to see if I can get connected now |
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| 14:11.07 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps: i set bug status as NEW? |
| 14:11.13 | AndrewFBlack | connected now |
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| 14:11.25 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: yeah, sure |
| 14:11.30 | AndrewFBlack | I'll play with my network settings later and try to get my security back on |
| 14:11.32 | Meizirkki | okay |
| 14:12.55 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps: can you change status to NEW? i get "You tried to change the Status field from UNCONFIRMED to NEW , but only a sufficiently empowered user may change that field." |
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| 14:13.10 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: k, sure |
| 14:13.26 | Meizirkki | ok, thanks |
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| 14:21.22 | Stskeeps | ok, 770 users: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.7#Nokia_770_-_tar.gz_image |
| 14:21.37 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: pong, delay... I have a morning meeting on mondays, back in an hour or so |
| 14:21.51 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: alright |
| 14:22.03 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: verify the url just now afterwards if you can :) |
| 14:22.14 | Stskeeps | or when you have time :) |
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| 14:56.45 | Stskeeps | .. what on earth is device_symbols.h doing in fontconfig |
| 14:57.09 | johnx | just chillin' |
| 14:57.34 | qwerty12_N800 | for maemo mapper? |
| 14:57.58 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 14:58.14 | Stskeeps | you told me, i know, but still |
| 14:58.15 | Stskeeps | it's a big WTF |
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| 14:59.02 | qwerty12_N800 | yeah, I was doing the same when I compiled :) |
| 14:59.58 | timeless | qwerty: ok, shall we try again? |
| 15:01.19 | timeless | johnx: so... |
| 15:01.29 | timeless | less repository.mer.tspre.org_dists_alpha_* |
| 15:01.32 | timeless | is in my history |
| 15:01.33 | qwerty12_N800 | timeless, may as well |
| 15:02.05 | johnx | timeless, and what image is this? |
| 15:02.12 | daperl | anyone know much about microb/X11 keymappings? |
| 15:02.17 | timeless | johnx: actually , maybe it was some tab completion thing |
| 15:02.25 | timeless | johnx: let's forget about it |
| 15:02.28 | johnx | :) |
| 15:02.31 | timeless | and presume i'm drunk :) |
| 15:02.36 | Stskeeps | we always do |
| 15:02.37 | Stskeeps | ;) |
| 15:02.44 | johnx | I'm more curious about how h-d crashed |
| 15:02.58 | Stskeeps | prolly rotation |
| 15:03.32 | timeless | johnx: i ran about 59 instances of dpkg-buildpackage |
| 15:03.35 | timeless | oh, do i get core dumps? |
| 15:03.55 | timeless | johnx: ok |
| 15:04.07 | timeless | how about fixing /proc/sys/kernel/core_* |
| 15:04.18 | timeless | a value of 'core' is not going to get useful feedback for why h-d crashed |
| 15:04.41 | Stskeeps | i think core dumps dump in /media/mmc2/core-dumps as usual |
| 15:04.56 | timeless | stskeeps: it isn't set that way in my mer |
| 15:05.01 | Stskeeps | hmm |
| 15:05.11 | Stskeeps | in diablo kernel it is like that though |
| 15:06.19 | timeless | can you verify w/ your mer that it isn't properly set? |
| 15:06.25 | timeless | hates chasing ghosts |
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| 15:07.22 | arocs | Hi ... |
| 15:07.27 | Stskeeps | afternoon |
| 15:07.36 | qwerty12_N800 | timeless, btw, select theme dialog says 'pers_fi_label' |
| 15:07.45 | timeless | hrm, it wasn't supposed to |
| 15:07.49 | timeless | i specifically translated that |
| 15:07.52 | arocs | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:08.32 | timeless | oh eww |
| 15:08.35 | timeless | that's stupid |
| 15:08.40 | timeless | ok, i guess i can't do that |
| 15:08.45 | timeless | i tried to replace the string w/ "" |
| 15:08.51 | timeless | because i didn't want it to show anything |
| 15:08.57 | timeless | i guess that's not considered legal |
| 15:09.02 | timeless | can i use " " instead? |
| 15:09.13 | timeless | basically i felt that the label was totally useless and wanted to remove it |
| 15:09.20 | qwerty12_N800 | yeah, i did that with battery applet fine |
| 15:09.23 | Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-maemomapper.png |
| 15:09.34 | Stskeeps | arocs: you mean mer 0.6 |
| 15:09.39 | timeless | ok, fixing locally |
| 15:09.51 | arocs | sorry --- mer 0.6 to mer 0.7 .. ;) |
| 15:09.56 | johnx | claps for Stskeeps |
| 15:10.23 | aquatix | will those message bubbles get smaller yet? |
| 15:10.40 | Stskeeps | arocs: no, sorry, docpurge really messes things up, but 0.7 doesnt use docpurge |
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| 15:11.03 | arocs | umm so i have to reinstall it ... |
| 15:11.28 | Stskeeps | arocs: yeah, doesn't take long |
| 15:11.35 | Stskeeps | 0.7 won't need it so |
| 15:11.42 | Stskeeps | there it's mostly apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 15:15.11 | arocs | I have created one partition about 4Gb , one of swap , and the rest for mer .. so i have to installed mer with not the default options .. |
| 15:15.22 | Stskeeps | fair enough, how did you install last time? |
| 15:15.30 | timeless | qwerty: ok, regrab the zip file |
| 15:15.40 | timeless | some stuff should be updated i hope |
| 15:15.47 | arocs | with mer_installer .. and after i used gparted |
| 15:15.49 | timeless | (like maybe you could actually install them!) |
| 15:16.12 | qwerty12_N800 | timeless, ok :) |
| 15:16.52 | Stskeeps | arocs: just mkfs.ext3 your partition again, grab the tar.gz, tar pzvxf it on your partition, and chroot . passwd, to set root password |
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| 15:20.15 | timeless | hey, is modest available in mer? :) |
| 15:20.30 | timeless | -- please don't ask me to talk to my mer, it's busy installing stuff -- at a snail's pace |
| 15:20.56 | aquatix | s/modest/claws-mail |
| 15:20.57 | aquatix | :) |
| 15:21.20 | timeless | i don't actually want to use a mail client |
| 15:21.25 | johnx | timeless, well, the fremantle level modest isn't publicly available |
| 15:21.27 | timeless | i just want to test my translation |
| 15:21.34 | timeless | i want the diablo one :) |
| 15:21.47 | johnx | dunno, if anyone's gotten it working yet |
| 15:22.04 | Stskeeps | timeless: it depends on operator-wizard which we don't have :P |
| 15:22.22 | timeless | "depends" or *depends*? |
| 15:22.31 | qwerty12_N800 | ^ |
| 15:22.38 | Stskeeps | Depends: |
| 15:22.38 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 15:22.51 | timeless | making a fake package for that is trivial |
| 15:22.53 | Stskeeps | prolly |
| 15:22.57 | Stskeeps | but not sure if it actually hooks into it |
| 15:23.01 | timeless | Provides: operator-wizard |
| 15:23.14 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, I'll take a look later |
| 15:23.24 | qwerty12_N800 | timeless, no-go :(: http://pastebin.com/d7c075a2e |
| 15:24.37 | Stskeeps | tries to put MM through ze builder |
| 15:26.09 | timeless | did you delete the old debs? |
| 15:26.27 | timeless | because it should have debs named *enus1* |
| 15:26.52 | timeless | also, probably not a great idea to try to install forjx.zip |
| 15:26.57 | timeless | it isn't a deb :) |
| 15:27.17 | qwerty12_N800 | timeless, these are freshly grabbed ones from your site unzipped into a new folder |
| 15:27.31 | qwerty12_N800 | I know, I did * out of laziness :) |
| 15:27.37 | timeless | hrm, looks like something went wrong |
| 15:27.42 | timeless | lemme figure out where |
| 15:28.35 | timeless | ok, so the zip file i have in mer only contains enus1's |
| 15:29.43 | aquatix | qwerty12_N800: *.deb ;) |
| 15:30.25 | timeless | ok, try again |
| 15:30.40 | qwerty12_N800 | aquatix, i know ;). But like i said, * was out of laziness and i know a failed attempt to install a non deb file isn't gonna kill dpkg |
| 15:30.52 | aquatix | :) |
| 15:31.05 | aquatix | did * once on a... big dir :) |
| 15:31.17 | aquatix | wasn't that pleased with the result ;) |
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| 15:33.14 | Stskeeps | ponders why not more apps use maemo-launcher in maemo really |
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| 15:34.11 | qwerty12_N800 | it can be a pita sometimes :/ but that said, I added it to epdfview recently without any problems |
| 15:34.23 | johnx | mmm...pita |
| 15:34.29 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe |
| 15:34.30 | Stskeeps | jesus, i haven't had pita for ages |
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| 15:34.45 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, I'd hope not... |
| 15:34.48 | aquatix | hmmm, pita |
| 15:35.00 | RST38h | Sts: Mostly because adding dbus service is cumbersome and badly explained |
| 15:35.26 | RST38h | Sts: and adding it just for the sake of having a little message box is kinda excessive |
| 15:35.37 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, you don't need dbus service for maemo-launcher |
| 15:35.41 | Stskeeps | RST38h: ah, was thinking from performance pov |
| 15:35.43 | aquatix | is there a way to see what application is behind "that huge maemo-launcher in ps"? |
| 15:35.59 | qwerty12_N800 | timeless, gtk20-l10n-enus1_0.1_all.deb & mediaplayer-legal-l10n-enus1_0.1_all.deb don't install but rest do |
| 15:36.15 | timeless | hrm |
| 15:36.15 | RST38h | qwerty: Am I correct assuming that the maemo-launcher is what starts my app while displaying "XXX is starting" message? |
| 15:36.35 | timeless | i'm pretty sure gtk20 worked in my mer... not sure about legal. i'll look |
| 15:36.36 | RST38h | Sts: From performance pov it hardly matters afaik |
| 15:36.38 | Stskeeps | RST38h: it is also a preloader, as in, using tricks to accelerate gtk bootup and such |
| 15:36.38 | timeless | it's strange anyway |
| 15:37.02 | RST38h | Sts: It is pretty much like "performance gain" from having browserd - hardly noticeable |
| 15:37.19 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, no, hildon-desktop does it when you have a dbus service name defined in desktop file regardless whether you use maemo-launcher |
| 15:37.32 | RST38h | qwerty: Ah |
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| 15:37.52 | Stskeeps | RST38h: ah, when it comes to m-l im inclined to believe it helps, both in terms of shared memory and such :P but im prolly not the right person to discuss it with |
| 15:38.22 | RST38h | Sts: I can probably do the measurements, if we can come up with a clean test case |
| 15:38.35 | timeless | so, i seem to hav elost hildon stuff |
| 15:38.37 | timeless | wonders why |
| 15:42.02 | timeless | the noip thing in applets is annoying and buggy |
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| 15:42.36 | Stskeeps | hehe, homeip, you mean :P |
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| 15:43.27 | Stskeeps | doesn't mind it, needs to look at eth0 but besides that.. |
| 15:44.23 | Meiz_n810 | timeless: works good for me |
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| 15:44.37 | Meiz_n810 | i'm using wifi-radar btw ;) |
| 15:44.41 | Stskeeps | lo yerga |
| 15:44.52 | qwerty12_N800 | likes iphome applet but it doesn't support transparency |
| 15:44.54 | RST38h | Sts: I know for sure that Python preloader does not help with any of the large Python apps |
| 15:45.08 | yerga | Hi! |
| 15:45.23 | qwerty12_N800 | hey yerga |
| 15:45.43 | yerga | It seems Mer development is going well |
| 15:45.56 | Stskeeps | yeah, but still a long way to go :P |
| 15:46.04 | yerga | Kudos to all ;) |
| 15:46.10 | RST38h | yerga: thanks for Modest patches btw |
| 15:46.26 | yerga | RST38h, you're welcome ;) |
| 15:46.44 | yerga | it was simple changes to the UI |
| 15:46.57 | Stskeeps | yerga: i mostly hope that it shows the alternate approach to Maemo that the "maemo reconstructed" posts were about |
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| 15:47.34 | dneary | Hi there |
| 15:47.43 | dneary | Jaffa: Ping? |
| 15:48.19 | timeless | meiz: try in mer? |
| 15:48.39 | Stskeeps | timeless: think he is :) |
| 15:48.56 | timeless | stskeeps: *shrug*, when we try dragging it, it runs to the bottom right corner |
| 15:48.58 | timeless | and won't leave |
| 15:49.03 | Stskeeps | timeless: yeah, in the vmdk, i'm aware |
| 15:49.03 | timeless | oh, and it only syas 'noip' |
| 15:49.10 | timeless | which is hardly helpful |
| 15:49.24 | Stskeeps | it's cos it's 'eth0' which tablets don't usually have |
| 15:49.34 | Stskeeps | the bottom right corner is cos it relies on being in 800x480 i think |
| 15:49.45 | timeless | it doesn't start there |
| 15:49.46 | Stskeeps | i'll poke khertan about it later |
| 15:50.01 | timeless | each time i try to drag it a bit, it jumps quite a bit to the right+down |
| 15:50.04 | Meiz_n810 | timeless: yes i meant homeip in mer |
| 15:50.04 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 15:50.11 | Stskeeps | doesn't do that in 800x480/on tablet |
| 15:50.31 | Zic | does a port of irssi exist for Maemo ? |
| 15:50.40 | Stskeeps | timeless: it's a demo of that python-hildondesktop works |
| 15:50.43 | timeless | zic: ssh+screen+irssi :) |
| 15:51.09 | qwerty12_N800 | Zic, I've put one in extras-devel |
| 15:51.11 | dneary | So, anyone have strong opinions about this whole election thing? |
| 15:51.24 | Zic | timeless: it the method that I already use, but for hacking I need a localhost irssi |
| 15:51.25 | Zic | ;) |
| 15:51.37 | Zic | qwerty12_N800: ok, thanks! |
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| 15:53.11 | RST38h | dneary: are we supposed to? |
| 15:53.15 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N800: That sopwith game vrings back memories ;) |
| 15:53.21 | X-Fade | *brings |
| 15:53.25 | dneary | RST38h: No requirement, no |
| 15:53.41 | dneary | RST38h: I don't want to have people be disenfranchised & disillusioned |
| 15:53.50 | RST38h | I mean the whole thing is pretty standard and not going to change much at this point |
| 15:53.58 | dneary | RST38h: So if you think that any of the things we're discussing now do that, shout |
| 15:54.07 | RST38h | Now, if our good General were George Bush... :) |
| 15:54.38 | genewitch | if there's a craigslist ad for an n800 that says "item is locked and cannot be tested" what are the chances that i can just USB connect it and run a firmware update? |
| 15:54.45 | qwerty12_N800 | X-Fade, I think you mean mikkov :) |
| 15:55.08 | RST38h | mikkov-the-unstoppable-porting-machine |
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| 15:55.54 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N800: Ah, well you two are uploading all kinds of cool stuff lately ;) |
| 15:56.07 | genewitch | will be porting stuff soon too! |
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| 15:56.18 | Stskeeps | timeless: earlier: kernel.core_pattern = /media/mmc1/core-dumps/%e-%s-%p.core |
| 15:56.20 | qwerty12_N800 | X-Fade, :) |
| 15:56.46 | johnx | genewitch, 100%. kind of suspicious that they're selling something they don't know the lock code to. |
| 15:56.50 | timeless | stskeeps: in which file? |
| 15:56.54 | Stskeeps | timeless: sysctl |
| 15:57.09 | Stskeeps | it's from within kernel default i think |
| 15:57.17 | Stskeeps | (on N8x0) |
| 15:57.33 | timeless | on my mer, it says kernel.core_pattern = core |
| 15:57.48 | Stskeeps | vmdk or tablet version? |
| 15:58.08 | RST38h | genewitch: I would just buy a new N810 off Amazon or buy.com |
| 15:58.09 | timeless | i guess it was a vmdk |
| 15:58.24 | Stskeeps | timeless: then it's ubuntu standard i guess |
| 15:58.30 | Stskeeps | we dont use a special kernel for x86 so |
| 15:58.31 | RST38h | genewitch: Buying stuff from unknown people on the Net usually leads to a disappointment |
| 15:58.47 | timeless | probably, but you should really just add a line to some part of the boot process which sets it |
| 15:58.50 | timeless | any part will do |
| 15:59.05 | Stskeeps | yeah - adding to TODO |
| 15:59.33 | johnx | RST38h, craigslist = local pickup |
| 15:59.58 | genewitch | johnx: yeah, it is suspicious. it's a good deal, i'm thinking about giving it a shot. i can always ebay for parts if it's DOA |
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| 16:00.21 | RST38h | johnx: Ah, then add a scenario of him killing you, cutting you up, and serving as a dinner to other craigslist readers! =)~~ |
| 16:00.32 | johnx | RST38h, delicious |
| 16:00.33 | Stskeeps | genewitch: you should verify it has battery inside and check it starts up. the only way it can be locked is through a devicelock message it will show |
| 16:00.41 | RST38h | johnx: yep. |
| 16:00.44 | genewitch | it's possible they got it legally and just couldn't be assed to learn about it. |
| 16:00.58 | johnx | genewitch, I'm not suspicious about it working. I'm suspicious about how he came by it |
| 16:01.12 | qwerty12 | genewitch, is it shown as coming with anything? |
| 16:01.27 | genewitch | power supply and case |
| 16:01.38 | johnx | lol...more than CompUSA gave me |
| 16:02.15 | genewitch | heh |
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| 16:11.21 | genewitch | man, my shell company has a broken webVPS gateway |
| 16:11.37 | genewitch | It will only let me reinstall my server with centos, whereas i have ubuntu |
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| 16:15.30 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, you'll need to get microb's engine working before you get modest... |
| 16:15.58 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: lovely |
| 16:16.13 | qwerty12 | And a lot more than operator-wizard come think of it... |
| 16:16.38 | Stskeeps | sometimes it seems like maemo is put together with ducttape :) |
| 16:16.52 | Stskeeps | as in, loads |
| 16:16.53 | qwerty12 | libebook-dev libedataserver-dev libhildonnotify-dev libtinymail-1.0-0-dev libtinymail-camel-1.0-0-dev libtinymail-maemo-1.0-0-dev libtinymailui-1.0-0-dev libtinymail-gnomevfs-1.0-0-dev libtinymailui-gtk-1.0-0-dev wpeditor0 wpeditor-dev microb-engine-dev - the builddeps which cannot be resolved. The good thing is that all those are open sourced :) |
| 16:17.11 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 16:17.23 | Stskeeps | someone hildonize claws.. :P :P |
| 16:17.32 | qwerty12 | would personally recommend though to forget the buggy modest and get a proper client instead for Mer |
| 16:17.44 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, technically, it is hildonized... |
| 16:18.18 | genewitch | someone in here mentioned that you can vmware "mer" |
| 16:18.18 | Myrtti | claws ♥ |
| 16:18.28 | genewitch | is that a development environment? |
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| 16:20.19 | aquatix | Stskeeps: nothing wrong with ducttape ;) |
| 16:20.27 | aquatix | erm, isn't claws already hildonized? |
| 16:21.47 | johnx | genewitch, mer is a replacement distro for the tablet with it's own dev environment |
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| 16:26.16 | Stskeeps | genewitch: yes, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.7#Generic_x86_-_VMDK_.28VMware_disk_image.29 , it is a disk image so just drag it into VMware |
| 16:26.23 | Stskeeps | guide is for virtualbox, feel free to make it for VMware |
| 16:26.59 | Stskeeps | (vmdk is a virtual disk image) |
| 16:27.18 | Stskeeps | aquatix: well, more touch friendly, then :P |
| 16:27.49 | freelikegnu | wiki pages for Mer are looking nice |
| 16:27.50 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: I might have killed a card trying to format it in the 770 |
| 16:28.00 | r2d2rogers | trying to get to the point of checking out the image |
| 16:28.04 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: k |
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| 16:28.19 | r2d2rogers | it was not due to the image though. |
| 16:28.34 | slonopotamus | hi |
| 16:28.56 | slonopotamus | anyone with bootmenu internals knowledge? |
| 16:29.25 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: what do you need? |
| 16:29.38 | slonopotamus | who and where is supposed to mount devfs in root filesystem? |
| 16:29.48 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: devfs? O_o |
| 16:30.02 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: udev is doing that |
| 16:30.05 | slonopotamus | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.08 | daperl | anyone know much about microb/X11 keymappings? |
| 16:30.55 | slonopotamus | i managed to run text console. after doing pivot_root bootmenu runs init <dev/console >dev/console |
| 16:31.10 | slonopotamus | but there isn't dev/console! |
| 16:31.11 | Stskeeps | yes, there's a bunch of devices in /dev already |
| 16:31.17 | Stskeeps | debootstrap does this for us |
| 16:31.22 | Stskeeps | cp them from maemo maybe |
| 16:31.25 | freelikegnu | is the hildon environment in the screenshots included in the default .7 install? |
| 16:31.34 | slonopotamus | err... or i'm supposed to create it in my rootfs? |
| 16:32.02 | Stskeeps | freelikegnu: yes |
| 16:32.05 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: yes |
| 16:32.10 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, is it ok to cp it? |
| 16:32.13 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: yes |
| 16:32.40 | aquatix | Stskeeps: claws-mail works quite ok for me already, but scrolling could be improved |
| 16:32.40 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, it's some magic file |
| 16:32.40 | johnx | slonopotamus, it's a device file |
| 16:32.40 | johnx | use cp -a |
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| 16:32.50 | slonopotamus | oh |
| 16:32.54 | johnx | slonopotamus, until you start udevd you won't have automatically created device files |
| 16:33.06 | slonopotamus | k |
| 16:33.22 | slonopotamus | why it didn't use dev/console from initfs? |
| 16:33.32 | Stskeeps | cos it can't properly |
| 16:33.50 | slonopotamus | i mean <mnt/initfs/dev/console |
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| 16:34.14 | johnx | you just did pivot_root right? |
| 16:34.14 | slonopotamus | and what's the point chrooting to / ? |
| 16:34.22 | freelikegnu | Stskeeps: cool.. I noticed the .8 sprint mention a modern kernel.. what is in .7 and is there a list of packages on the web? |
| 16:34.40 | slonopotamus | johnx, not me but bootmenu |
| 16:35.04 | johnx | freelikegnu, the diablo kernel is used for .7 |
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| 16:35.47 | slonopotamus | johnx, btw, there's a bug in bootmenu.conf from garage svn. it doesn't handle item_fbmode. that's why i couldn't run text console |
| 16:35.48 | johnx | freelikegnu, right now we have a couple user level maemo packages repacked and a large part of ubuntu is installable |
| 16:35.53 | daperl | on my n810, in platformHTMLBindings.xml i've changed page up and down to the zoom buttons (VK_F7,8), but now i need it to stop zooming in and out. removing viewZoomOverlay.js didn't help. any ideas? |
| 16:36.14 | slonopotamus | ok, created dev/console, gone for reboot |
| 16:36.22 | slonopotamus | wish me luck :) |
| 16:37.41 | freelikegnu | johnx: wow |
| 16:40.25 | Stskeeps | freelikegnu: we use diablo kernel atm |
| 16:41.10 | genewitch | Stskeeps: thanks |
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| 16:48.31 | genewitch | someone snaked that n800 from me |
| 16:48.35 | genewitch | lucky ducks |
| 16:48.57 | genewitch | so i'm on the prowl for another one |
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| 16:50.43 | johnx | what was the price for that N800? |
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| 16:54.38 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, tell me your magic. What did you do so fsck can run at os boot? mine can't, says 'device busy', even if i mount it in readonly mode |
| 16:54.58 | slonopotamus | it almost boots :) |
| 16:55.18 | slonopotamus | almost rocks |
| 16:55.22 | genewitch | johnx: $43 |
| 16:55.32 | johnx | blinks |
| 16:55.33 | johnx | wow |
| 16:55.34 | genewitch | picture showed front and back, no physical damage |
| 16:55.41 | qwerty12 | shit, to think I paid £180 for mine :( |
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| 16:55.48 | genewitch | i paid $160 for mine last week |
| 16:56.01 | johnx | qwerty12, but you've gotten more than a year out of it already |
| 16:56.08 | johnx | genewitch, you're looking for a spare? |
| 16:56.15 | genewitch | johnx: one for my girlfriend |
| 16:56.20 | johnx | ahaha |
| 16:56.25 | qwerty12 | johnx, indeed, I know I can't complain now but regrets all the same :) |
| 16:56.26 | genewitch | for her birthday that's rapidly approaching |
| 16:56.27 | johnx | give her yours and get an n810 :D |
| 16:57.01 | genewitch | is there any difference other than the keyboard |
| 16:57.05 | qwerty12 | ~bitchslap cron |
| 16:57.06 | infobot | ACTION beats the sh*t out of cron |
| 16:57.33 | johnx | transflective screen, gps, 2GB SD card soldered in |
| 16:57.49 | johnx | but only 1 miniSDHC slot |
| 16:57.58 | slonopotamus | ~ping Stskeeps |
| 16:57.59 | infobot | pong Stskeeps |
| 16:58.04 | genewitch | mine's using a 2gig internal and 8gig sdhc |
| 16:58.27 | lcuk | isnt looking forward to the drive home |
| 16:58.29 | genewitch | transflective screen i'll look up, but gps sounds good, both my gps receivers have died |
| 16:59.01 | slonopotamus | johnx, you use modified bootmenu for mer? |
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| 16:59.20 | johnx | slonopotamus, we use the bootmenu from fanoush's svn |
| 16:59.41 | slonopotamus | johnx, from garage? |
| 16:59.45 | johnx | genewitch, gps sounds good. apparently it can be rather slow to lock in some conditions |
| 16:59.53 | johnx | slonopotamus, errr...i dunno honestly |
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| 17:00.45 | slonopotamus | ~curse the guy who decided to fork bootmenus |
| 17:00.45 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, the guy who decided to fork bootmenus ! |
| 17:00.56 | slonopotamus | hehe. i love it |
| 17:01.06 | genewitch | johnx: so not so good for geocaching. |
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| 17:01.26 | johnx | genewitch, well, some people say it works great. some people say it takes hours to get a lock |
| 17:01.30 | johnx | I have an n800 |
| 17:02.04 | johnx | slonopotamus, fanoush's bootmenu is the one everyone uses. we just use an unreleased version |
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| 17:03.40 | slonopotamus | johnx, i don't believe you use version from svn, because it's broken. it doesn't handle neither ITEM_LINUXRC nor ITEM_FBMODE correctly |
| 17:04.10 | Jaffa | Why can't the svn version be broken? |
| 17:04.23 | johnx | slonopotamus, let me find what we use. one sec |
| 17:04.51 | slonopotamus | Jaffa, it can. but it means that mer uses something different |
| 17:05.24 | Jaffa | slonopotamus: ah, so you've built your own version from svn and are having additional problems? Have there been any commits since the mer version was built? |
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| 17:07.13 | slonopotamus | Jaffa, yep, it has bugs. don't know what they used. maybe somebody should vote on making a release |
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| 17:07.38 | johnx | slonopotamus, I didn't say 'trunk' I said 'svn' |
| 17:07.40 | Jaffa | Don't talk to me about votes ;-) |
| 17:07.46 | johnx | did you check the tagged branch available? |
| 17:08.04 | johnx | 'vote on making a release'? what does that mean? |
| 17:08.16 | slonopotamus | Jaffa, why? |
| 17:08.35 | slonopotamus | johnx, making a release of bootmenu. |
| 17:08.45 | Jaffa | slonopotamus: see maemo-community |
| 17:09.01 | slonopotamus | johnx, nope, i saw that trunk was more fresh and used it |
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| 17:09.18 | slonopotamus | johnx, actually i can't remember :) |
| 17:09.27 | johnx | slonopotamus, did you see that the tag bootmenu_0_1 was committed by stskeeps? :) |
| 17:09.29 | slonopotamus | johnx, something made me to use trunk |
| 17:09.48 | slonopotamus | johnx, yep, very long time ago as i recall |
| 17:10.26 | slonopotamus | is low on battery. |
| 17:10.52 | slonopotamus | and on gprs money :) |
| 17:11.11 | slonopotamus | wonders what will end ffirst |
| 17:12.15 | slonopotamus | johnx, will try it. |
| 17:12.22 | johnx | slonopotamus, actually, hang on |
| 17:12.27 | johnx | that doesn't quite look right either |
| 17:12.36 | slonopotamus | hang |
| 17:12.50 | slonopotamus | johnx, what 'that'? |
| 17:12.52 | johnx | but you say that trunk doesn't work right? |
| 17:13.06 | johnx | version 1.4? |
| 17:13.21 | slonopotamus | johnx, 1.4??? revision 50 |
| 17:13.24 | slonopotamus | svn |
| 17:13.44 | johnx | yeah, in debian/changelog it says 1.4, but yeah |
| 17:13.55 | slonopotamus | johnx, https://garage.maemo.org/svn/bootmenu/trunk/bootmenu |
| 17:13.56 | johnx | you might want to pull from the last time debian/changelog was updated |
| 17:14.24 | slonopotamus | # svn up |
| 17:14.36 | slonopotamus | Fatal: no entropy gathering module detected |
| 17:14.40 | slonopotamus | loool :) |
| 17:16.32 | slonopotamus | johnx, i'm using latest trunk revision (50). and it has broken fbmode and no linuxrc support |
| 17:16.45 | johnx | <johnx> you might want to pull from the last time debian/changelog was updated |
| 17:17.11 | johnx | which is to say, revision 47, the last one that stskeeps committed |
| 17:17.17 | slonopotamus | what does 'pull from the last time' mean? |
| 17:17.24 | slonopotamus | k |
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| 17:21.06 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: eh, bootmenu svn is the correct one, but i had to do some quick changes when i put it out (nothing fatal) |
| 17:21.16 | Stskeeps | as in, /trunk |
| 17:21.40 | Stskeeps | http://packages.tspre.org/pool/user/b/bootmenu/ has the source |
| 17:21.50 | Stskeeps | FBMODE i've never seen working :) |
| 17:21.56 | slonopotamus | that's what i said :) you're using something different to svn |
| 17:21.59 | slonopotamus | hmm |
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| 17:25.31 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: image booted fine, will check out wiki for issues logging |
| 17:26.02 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: k |
| 17:26.09 | r2d2rogers | didn't try the linked bootmenu installer, but shouldn't you press the 'menu' key intead of home for getting the advance boot menu? |
| 17:26.14 | Stskeeps | true |
| 17:26.23 | Stskeeps | feel free to edit wiki :) |
| 17:26.27 | r2d2rogers | wilco |
| 17:26.50 | r2d2rogers | other instructions looked good |
| 17:26.59 | r2d2rogers | card is fine BTW, had to reboot 770 |
| 17:27.13 | Stskeeps | good |
| 17:28.53 | r2d2rogers | I like the modular page edits... wiki is looking nice |
| 17:29.15 | Stskeeps | how was the non-swap using 770 btw? did it crash pre-first-boot-wizard or? |
| 17:29.24 | freelikegnu | installs Mer .7 |
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| 17:29.50 | Stskeeps | freelikegnu: gluck |
| 17:30.02 | Stskeeps | which platform per chance? x86, 770, n8x0? |
| 17:30.08 | freelikegnu | n800 |
| 17:30.09 | Stskeeps | k |
| 17:30.19 | freelikegnu | from latest diablo |
| 17:30.39 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: nope did great, prompted for the swap and just did fine |
| 17:30.44 | freelikegnu | what is the uneeded extra stuff btw? |
| 17:31.16 | Stskeeps | freelikegnu: testing stuff in initfs |
| 17:31.23 | aba4i7 | hi, whenever i try to donwnload anything with my brower, like.pdf it will go to this webpage with all these wierd letters and characters, pls help |
| 17:31.35 | Stskeeps | i believe they probably just reflash initfs, but noone has really understood what it does |
| 17:32.12 | johnx | aba4i7, it likely means the server doesn't have their mime-type set correctly. tap and hold on the link and select 'safe file' |
| 17:33.35 | aba4i7 | johnx I will go try...though tap and hold has not been very kind to me lately |
| 17:34.15 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: i will disable the fstab part of swap partition in imager then |
| 17:35.08 | Stskeeps | as it will ask when it finds one |
| 17:37.05 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: i will try and make a working wifi driver for you based on the patches i can find around |
| 17:38.45 | wazd | oh my fucking god))) |
| 17:38.46 | wazd | http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=4cDkuJyAuXM |
| 17:38.58 | wazd | Microsoft is fricking genious :D |
| 17:38.58 | freelikegnu | lol cancelling in the begining of mer install is a bit rough :D |
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| 17:39.14 | freelikegnu | mer advanced install I mean |
| 17:39.30 | Stskeeps | wazd: interesting uses of your wallpaper? |
| 17:39.33 | Stskeeps | freelikegnu: hehe, patches welcome |
| 17:40.04 | freelikegnu | goes for simple install option this time |
| 17:40.14 | r2d2rogers | r2d2rogers: fstab: sounds good here |
| 17:40.22 | r2d2rogers | lol at myself |
| 17:40.30 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: fstab: sounds good |
| 17:40.33 | Stskeeps | k |
| 17:40.34 | wazd | Stskeeps: nah, intersting uses of MS Songsamith :) |
| 17:40.42 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: awesome, thanks |
| 17:41.30 | Stskeeps | after 5 years of use i discover putty's alt-mark text working with squares instead of lines.. |
| 17:42.38 | Proteous | heh |
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| 17:54.47 | freelikegnu | I like the bbl |
| 17:54.53 | freelikegnu | er just bbl |
| 17:56.36 | Stskeeps | sighs and finds material to defuse a new post that misunderstood some things |
| 17:56.54 | johnx | hmm? |
| 17:57.31 | johnx | in the mer .7 thread? |
| 17:57.38 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 17:57.40 | Jaffa | not been helping, perhaps |
| 17:57.56 | Stskeeps | ah, no, not you, q's |
| 17:58.55 | johnx | sighs |
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| 18:00.26 | Jaffa | Ah, I see. |
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| 18:11.42 | Stskeeps | ok |
| 18:11.44 | Stskeeps | http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=261584&postcount=20 |
| 18:12.02 | lcuk | relaxes a little |
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| 18:13.52 | Stskeeps | johnx: btw, the justifications is my own, just to make things easier on the lawyers |
| 18:13.58 | Stskeeps | and see why this is needed |
| 18:14.09 | johnx | Stskeeps, editing a bit... |
| 18:14.10 | Stskeeps | it makes it easier to swallow :P |
| 18:14.11 | Stskeeps | k |
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| 18:15.16 | Stskeeps | anyhow the thread is totally destroyed by now :P no ordinary users will dare to go into that thread now :) |
| 18:16.01 | benson[away] | Extraordinary users FTW! |
| 18:16.01 | lcuk | it would be nice to moderate postings within threads to experience/techincal level |
| 18:16.05 | lcuk | (like slash does with its mod types) |
| 18:16.18 | lcuk | then users can come and just see the nice stuff |
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| 18:20.49 | slonopotamus_ | Stskeeps, got correct bootmenu. now tell me, how you manage to pass fsck :) |
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| 18:20.49 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus_: when do you boot udev? before or after fsck check? |
| 18:21.01 | slonopotamus_ | Stskeeps, before. |
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| 18:21.49 | Stskeeps | k. you see the boot-basics script in nit-bootmenu-compat of Mer? there's a reason we have a fsck check there. for some f*cked up reason, udev has a hold on the block device, in the dka |
| 18:21.53 | Stskeeps | diablo kernel |
| 18:22.13 | Stskeeps | which causes it to say device busy or whatever |
| 18:22.36 | slonopotamus_ | hmm. how linux on normal devices work? |
| 18:22.36 | Stskeeps | boot-basics must be run -before- udev runs, and the pass value for rootfs should be 0 in fstab |
| 18:22.42 | Stskeeps | in a sane way |
| 18:22.53 | Stskeeps | this is a specific diablo-kernel tablet trick |
| 18:23.08 | Stskeeps | we called it the fucking fsck bug in deblet |
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| 18:23.20 | slonopotamus_ | oh |
| 18:23.22 | Stskeeps | as it destroyed an install totally :) |
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| 18:23.36 | slonopotamus_ | what install? |
| 18:24.19 | Stskeeps | well, a fs, as in, made it unbootable |
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| 18:24.58 | gnuton | Hi there |
| 18:25.01 | Stskeeps | evening |
| 18:25.25 | slonopotamus_ | Stskeeps, tried kernel with patches from muru? |
| 18:25.49 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus_: not lately, but there's a task for it on Mer sprint list |
| 18:25.57 | Stskeeps | i am not a kernel hacker. |
| 18:26.36 | slonopotamus_ | Stskeeps, cool. please, tell me, if there'll be any progress with it. |
| 18:26.50 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus_: you're more than welcome to contribute :) |
| 18:26.50 | Stskeeps | we will hopefully use same kernel for mer and gentoo, so |
| 18:26.52 | slonopotamus_ | Stskeeps, that guy from nosocomia used muru kernel to boot gentoo |
| 18:27.14 | slonopotamus_ | Stskeeps, i'm not a kernel guy either :) |
| 18:27.54 | johnx | starves |
| 18:28.02 | Stskeeps | passes johnx some noodles |
| 18:28.20 | johnx | ah! good idea |
| 18:28.22 | johnx | looks for some instant noodles |
| 18:28.51 | slonopotamus_ | Stskeeps, i don't like that muru patches didn't go upstream, to linux-omap. and their patches didn't go upstream, to linux itself. this patch-on-patch thing is very fragile and abandon-friendly |
| 18:28.58 | lcuk | you are about to consume some noodles: cancel or allow |
| 18:29.36 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus_: yeah.. some things sometimes |
| 18:30.25 | slonopotamus_ | Stskeeps, actually i can say the same thing about many maemo packages :) |
| 18:30.56 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus_: yeah.. :P things would be better with distributed scm prolly |
| 18:31.22 | lcuk | just goin for tea, johnx, something just occured to me: if i were to position liqbase as an x11 server could i theoretically create fast windows? |
| 18:31.31 | Stskeeps | .. |
| 18:31.39 | slonopotamus_ | ... |
| 18:31.59 | Stskeeps | lcuk: genuinely crazy, now with your own graphics system? ;) (been there ..) :P |
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| 18:34.07 | slonopotamus_ | Stskeeps, about fsck. looks like i just need to set passno to 0 in fstab and gentoo'll be happy. gone for reboot, trying it |
| 18:35.08 | johnx | lcuk, an x server is not exactly a small task, but yes. make one for the Xscale 270 integrated framebuffer as well :) |
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| 18:40.39 | slonopotamus | oh my, oh my! |
| 18:40.43 | slonopotamus | it booted! |
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| 18:40.48 | AStorm | :) |
| 18:40.55 | johnx | nice. got a shell? |
| 18:41.15 | slonopotamus | got login/password prompt ;) |
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| 18:42.02 | johnx | nice. did you remember to enable host mode and grab your usb keyboard? |
| 18:42.09 | slonopotamus | it said it couldn't init random number generator and couldn't sync clock |
| 18:42.10 | AStorm | Stskeeps: where can I get Mer installer? |
| 18:42.36 | slonopotamus | johnx, no female-female connector |
| 18:43.12 | AStorm | what about male-male? ;P |
| 18:43.17 | slonopotamus | johnx, don't have any idea where to find it. too rare thing |
| 18:43.19 | AStorm | then use an extension cord |
| 18:43.22 | zakkm | usb keyboard work? |
| 18:43.28 | slonopotamus | AStorm, o_O |
| 18:43.40 | zakkm | usb keywords work on nokia n800? |
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| 18:44.05 | AStorm | slonopotamus: the trick is that you still want to connect a hub |
| 18:44.25 | AStorm | which will may have a female connector |
| 18:44.32 | AStorm | (find one with this) |
| 18:45.16 | slonopotamus | imagines himself in subway with tablet, usb hub and usb keyboard. |
| 18:45.26 | AStorm | no, what for? |
| 18:45.34 | AStorm | n810 has a good enough keyboard for that |
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| 18:45.41 | slonopotamus | n800 here |
| 18:45.47 | AStorm | and you could use a bluetooth keyboard instead I think |
| 18:46.00 | zakkm | bluetooth is expensi9ve ;p |
| 18:46.13 | AStorm | oh right |
| 18:46.18 | johnx | AStorm, it's a little tough to get that up before you even have a GUI running :P |
| 18:46.20 | AStorm | and a powered usb hub is not? |
| 18:46.30 | AStorm | johnx: I have some time |
| 18:46.31 | zakkm | you need a powered usb hub? |
| 18:46.39 | slonopotamus | hmm... bluetooth... Stskeeps, is it hard to make bt keyboard to work? |
| 18:46.49 | zakkm | according to tabletschool blog i just need a female to female adapter |
| 18:47.10 | johnx | AStorm, ah, sorry, I mean it's tough to get a tablet paired with a bt keyboard before you have a GUI running :) |
| 18:47.20 | johnx | AStorm, mer on the other hand is really easy ;D |
| 18:47.35 | zakkm | johnx: is mer functional enough yet? |
| 18:47.36 | johnx | slonopotamus, not once you're in X |
| 18:47.37 | AStorm | slonopotamus: no, it should work out-of-the-box |
| 18:47.46 | johnx | zakkm, functional enough for what? |
| 18:47.53 | zakkm | daily usage |
| 18:47.56 | AStorm | even in console it's possible |
| 18:47.58 | zakkm | nondev |
| 18:48.02 | johnx | zakkm, nope |
| 18:48.04 | AStorm | of course, you need a shell to set it up |
| 18:48.08 | AStorm | ;P |
| 18:48.29 | johnx | AStorm, right, you need a keyboard :P |
| 18:48.43 | slonopotamus | i can prepare it in chroot :P |
| 18:48.48 | AStorm | yes |
| 18:49.00 | AStorm | but on n800 you're usually not spending any time in console |
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| 18:49.22 | slonopotamus | and reboot, reboot :) |
| 18:49.30 | johnx | AStorm, unless you're trying to install gentoo :) |
| 18:49.39 | lcuk | johnx, Stskeeps certainly not after doing it (I know nothing about x11) |
| 18:49.42 | zakkm | gentoo pwns :D |
| 18:49.57 | AStorm | johnx: I may, but not necessarily at once |
| 18:50.00 | slonopotamus | johnx, well, it kinda works :) |
| 18:50.00 | StOrM_NW | hi, anyone know what i have to do to kill the connection manager (the symbol with the wifi icon) that appears at status-bar |
| 18:50.01 | StOrM_NW | ? |
| 18:50.11 | lcuk | but at least knowing that the server side only is half the work is good |
| 18:50.15 | StOrM_NW | any help really appreciate |
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| 18:50.41 | johnx | StOrM_NW, why are you trying to do that (it's a little tricky) |
| 18:50.54 | slonopotamus | it will be hard to test x from chroot, i guess |
| 18:51.21 | StOrM_NW | i m trying to change the characteristics of the wlan0 ... i m trying to change the mode to ad-hoc |
| 18:51.43 | slonopotamus | 1. keyboard. 2. usbnet. 3. wifi. 4. bluetooth. 5. x. need to choose some order :) |
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| 18:51.53 | AStorm | StOrM_NW: uh, standard driver doesn't support wireless extensions well if at all |
| 18:51.54 | StOrM_NW | and i m thinking that it is changing it back to managed mode |
| 18:51.58 | AStorm | you need the new one, cx3310x |
| 18:52.10 | lcuk | StOrM_NW, couldnt you just use the UI for setting up a connection type (I use wifi adhoc) |
| 18:52.13 | AStorm | that's actually the daemon doing it |
| 18:52.15 | johnx | StOrM_NW, why not use connection manage to change mode to ad-hoc? |
| 18:52.16 | AStorm | yes, use the UI |
| 18:53.01 | lcuk | you can setup multiple connections and choose which you want |
| 18:53.18 | StOrM_NW | because we are trying to run an own application that creates a mesh network using ad-hoc mode |
| 18:53.41 | pupnik | cool. |
| 18:53.44 | StOrM_NW | so the connection manager is changing the behavior of it |
| 18:54.07 | lcuk | storm, break the problem down then - get the software to create its own connection profile, then connect using that profile |
| 18:54.56 | lcuk | has a mini mesh net wherever he goes |
| 18:55.03 | AStorm | :) |
| 18:55.24 | StOrM_NW | or i can do it really faster killing the application ... i think its better than rewrite the code to do this profile ... the application is running on openmoko too ... so i guess its more fast to kill the application and control the wlan0 using the wireless-tools by my own |
| 18:56.07 | StOrM_NW | what the name of the application that control the connetion? |
| 18:56.18 | johnx | StOrM_NW, did you have a look in the scripts in /etc/init.d ? |
| 18:56.19 | StOrM_NW | and where can i get this new drivers? |
| 18:56.27 | johnx | I'll look for you in a second though |
| 18:56.47 | johnx | a driver with better WE support is available in the mer repo |
| 18:56.50 | johnx | one sec |
| 18:57.34 | lcuk | libconic isnt it |
| 18:57.48 | johnx | ah, it's icd |
| 18:57.51 | johnx | dunno the process name |
| 18:58.32 | slonopotamus | johnx, gimme please link to mer bootmenu once more. lost it at reboot |
| 18:59.04 | johnx | slonopotamus, you should start keeping IRC logs :) |
| 18:59.14 | slonopotamus | uh... sorry |
| 18:59.50 | johnx | http://packages.tspre.org/pool/user/b/bootmenu/ |
| 19:00.09 | slonopotamus | found |
| 19:00.15 | johnx | StOrM_NW, /etc/init.d/icd2 |
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| 19:00.27 | johnx | StOrM_NW, that's the init script for the connection manager |
| 19:01.05 | slonopotamus | johnx, why you have repository.t.o and packages.t.o? |
| 19:01.23 | StOrM_NW | the icon is still there |
| 19:01.36 | slonopotamus | johnx, it seems to be dead |
| 19:01.45 | johnx | slonopotamus, don't ask me :P it's based on when Stskeeps was doing something |
| 19:01.47 | Stskeeps | AStorm: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.7#Released_files_and_guides |
| 19:01.48 | slonopotamus | hmm. |
| 19:01.48 | johnx | slonopotamus, what's dead? |
| 19:01.52 | slonopotamus | nope, just slow |
| 19:02.15 | slonopotamus | 1.4 or 1.5-1? |
| 19:02.19 | johnx | StOrM_NW, did you just run that command? or did you kill the process it starts? |
| 19:02.51 | slonopotamus | johnx, all ok |
| 19:02.59 | StOrM_NW | rootsh /etc/init.d/icd2 stop? |
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| 19:03.25 | johnx | StOrM_NW, did that run without errors? |
| 19:03.34 | Stskeeps | evening roope |
| 19:03.39 | StOrM_NW | yep |
| 19:03.44 | Jaffa | lo roope |
| 19:03.46 | AStorm | Stskeeps: any gotchas? |
| 19:03.51 | StOrM_NW | but the icon is still ther |
| 19:03.53 | StOrM_NW | ther |
| 19:03.54 | StOrM_NW | there |
| 19:04.02 | johnx | StOrM_NW, yeah, but it shouldn't do anything anymore |
| 19:04.31 | johnx | StOrM_NW, the connection manager has a daemon process and a statusbar applet |
| 19:04.39 | StOrM_NW | ah ok, i m going to try to run the application right now |
| 19:04.40 | StOrM_NW | ah ok |
| 19:04.45 | Stskeeps | AStorm: all listed in the page under "known issues" and "advanced install" is a bit buggy |
| 19:04.55 | StOrM_NW | and can ya provide me the mer repository url? |
| 19:04.57 | Stskeeps | simple install should be good, and clone-to-SD is more problematic |
| 19:05.07 | StOrM_NW | i really appreciate the help |
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| 19:05.47 | johnx | StOrM_NW, ah sorry. totally forgot :) http://repository.mer.tspre.org/pool/main/c/cx3110x-module-src/ |
| 19:05.53 | StOrM_NW | really thanks |
| 19:05.57 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, johnx, guys, you rock. without you i wouldn't have such progress |
| 19:06.02 | AStorm | Stskeeps: what about running it on the device for hardcore people? |
| 19:06.23 | Stskeeps | AStorm: scroll down.. |
| 19:06.30 | johnx | slonopotamus, we're all standing awkwardly on the shoulders of giants :) |
| 19:06.59 | AStorm | Stskeeps: so, it should work it seems, excellent |
| 19:07.24 | Stskeeps | AStorm: mer 0.7 runs on my tablet without funny tricks, so :P |
| 19:07.51 | Stskeeps | AStorm: still working on a rootfs version through (direct boot, no initfs) |
| 19:07.55 | AStorm | the kernel is the same 2.6.21? |
| 19:08.07 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 19:08.13 | Stskeeps | we use bootmenu (atm) |
| 19:08.19 | Stskeeps | we will love people trying more modern kernels though |
| 19:08.20 | AStorm | I'd love a nice and new latest release of linux-omap |
| 19:08.36 | Stskeeps | i just don't have the head for those experiments |
| 19:08.39 | AStorm | the problem is that I'll need a rebuild of xorg-video-omapfb or equivalent |
| 19:08.48 | AStorm | with new kernel headers |
| 19:08.58 | Stskeeps | sure? |
| 19:09.08 | Stskeeps | we use same omapfb on 770 and n8x0 |
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| 19:09.16 | AStorm | very much, last time it croaked |
| 19:09.21 | AStorm | some numbers have changed |
| 19:09.25 | Stskeeps | k |
| 19:09.33 | johnx | splendid |
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| 19:11.05 | Stskeeps | AStorm: fairly easy to recompile though |
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| 19:11.23 | Stskeeps | AStorm: honestly though i think we may be compiling towards modern kernel headers.. |
| 19:11.23 | slonopotamus | ~ping |
| 19:11.24 | infobot | ~pong |
| 19:12.05 | AStorm | ~pong |
| 19:12.06 | infobot | ~ping |
| 19:12.19 | Stskeeps | AStorm: http://trac.tspre.org:8000/xserver-xorg-video-omapfb_jaunty-armel-1229682706.log |
| 19:12.20 | AStorm | ~infobot |
| 19:12.21 | infobot | i heard infobot is me. I love abuse, feed me!, or an interactive bot that can learn all sorts of information (http://www.infobot.org/), or updated sources at http://infobot.sf.net/, or a robot that doesn't know it should only speak when spoken to, or on fire, or awesome. |
| 19:12.35 | AStorm | :) |
| 19:12.57 | Stskeeps | Get:4 http://cfph.pervasivehealthcare.dk jaunty/main linux-libc-dev 2.6.28-2.3 [667kB |
| 19:13.01 | Stskeeps | is what it is built for |
| 19:13.06 | Stskeeps | and works on older kernels it seems |
| 19:13.22 | AStorm | mmh good |
| 19:13.31 | AStorm | it might work with 2.6.28-omap too |
| 19:14.08 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, tell me, do you have a cleanup policy for r.t.o? |
| 19:14.23 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: hm? |
| 19:14.38 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, should i make a backup copy of packages i use from there or not? |
| 19:14.46 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: yes, you ought to |
| 19:15.01 | Stskeeps | but really, use our bzr branches for Mer instead |
| 19:15.04 | Stskeeps | they're more updated |
| 19:15.24 | Stskeeps | http://code.launchpad.net/m-r |
| 19:15.52 | AStorm | Stskeeps: now, I should refresh my deb packaging skills and help you guys out |
| 19:16.04 | AStorm | but first, finish a certain document (tedium) |
| 19:16.10 | slonopotamus | experiences some network troubles |
| 19:16.13 | Stskeeps | AStorm: more than welcome to help |
| 19:17.02 | AStorm | finish the doc, show the project to the lab chief, wreak havoc ;) |
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| 19:18.15 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, i need tarballs to write ebuilds |
| 19:18.57 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: ah. |
| 19:19.08 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, and too lazy to repackage them once again :) |
| 19:19.10 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: then yes, mirror them somewhere |
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| 19:19.54 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, k. do you have rsync or something like that? i could setup a mirror. |
| 19:20.38 | Stskeeps | well, i am only going to update 'installer' dist of repository.tspre.org |
| 19:20.46 | Stskeeps | but you may want to wget -r it for safekeeping |
| 19:21.03 | Stskeeps | wait, p.t.o or r.t.o? |
| 19:21.22 | Stskeeps | (packages.tspre.org or repository.mer.tspre.org) |
| 19:21.46 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, r.t.o. i'm very interested in pool |
| 19:22.06 | slonopotamus | hmm |
| 19:22.09 | Stskeeps | mm - that one is very fast pace and the policy is to erase old version when new one comes in |
| 19:22.20 | slonopotamus | what the heck is p.t.o? |
| 19:22.26 | Stskeeps | deblet's repo |
| 19:22.55 | slonopotamus | deblet is abandoned, isn't it? |
| 19:23.03 | Stskeeps | yeah, but doesn't mean i don't keep the packages up :P |
| 19:23.17 | slonopotamus | however bootmenu is there and not in r.t.o |
| 19:23.31 | Stskeeps | yeah, cos i had bootmenu there already and needed stuff :P |
| 19:23.40 | slonopotamus | cheater |
| 19:23.48 | Stskeeps | bootmenu is (hopefully) moving to extras-devel either in 0.8 or 0.9 |
| 19:24.29 | slonopotamus | i simply need permalink to source tarball :) |
| 19:24.40 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 19:24.48 | Stskeeps | not sure how easy that is :) |
| 19:24.53 | johnx | slonopotamus, why not check out a set bzr revision and tar it up? |
| 19:25.05 | johnx | aka use launchpad's bandwidth not ours :P |
| 19:25.14 | slonopotamus | johnx, you did that already :) |
| 19:25.50 | johnx | heh. well it's just going to cause you headaches if old versions disappear... |
| 19:26.12 | slonopotamus | ok, i'll mirror stuff that i use |
| 19:26.17 | johnx | I mean there's no way that gentoo can keep up with the development pace of a debian-based distro ... |
| 19:26.19 | johnx | runs |
| 19:26.52 | slonopotamus | you should put bootmenu tarball to garage and be happy |
| 19:27.11 | GeneralAntilles | sits down wearily. |
| 19:27.24 | slonopotamus | hacks. |
| 19:27.30 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: long day? |
| 19:27.33 | johnx | I'm quite happy :) just got my xserver-kdrive package done for zubuntu :) |
| 19:27.45 | Stskeeps | johnx: or MerZ? ;> |
| 19:27.49 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, got caught in Superbowl traffic on the way home and missed class. |
| 19:27.52 | johnx | poke Omegamoon. I'll have some packages for you tomorrow :) |
| 19:28.01 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: ah |
| 19:28.11 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, lots of RVs. ;) |
| 19:28.13 | johnx | Stskeeps, Zer? maurus? |
| 19:28.42 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, RVs? you mean moving slalom cones? |
| 19:29.09 | Omegamoon | johnx: that's great! |
| 19:29.20 | RST38h | moos slightly |
| 19:29.29 | RST38h | Heya General, johnx, Jaffa |
| 19:29.34 | Stskeeps | johnx: or just call it Mer, in the spirit of Mer being multiplatform :P |
| 19:29.37 | Jaffa | johnx: Isn't it just "Mer"? It's not mer86 |
| 19:29.52 | Jaffa | Or Meremo |
| 19:30.09 | AStorm | uh, no |
| 19:30.11 | RST38h | Maemer |
| 19:30.16 | AStorm | mereus |
| 19:30.17 | johnx | Stskeeps, well really, it's aimed at vanilla ubuntu. but yeah, of course it will be part of Mer for the Zaurus |
| 19:30.22 | AStorm | ;) |
| 19:30.34 | johnx | Omegamoon, needs some polishing, but that shouldn't be a problem (famous last words) |
| 19:30.35 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, too tightly packed for that today, unfortunately. :( |
| 19:30.56 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, sad :( I can see how that could be draining |
| 19:31.01 | slonopotamus | btw |
| 19:31.03 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, :P |
| 19:31.22 | GeneralAntilles | I did manage to catch up on all of my NPR podcasts, though. |
| 19:31.33 | slonopotamus | what's up with 'cpp somewhat broken' in mer sdk? :) |
| 19:31.46 | slonopotamus | from 0.7 release notes |
| 19:31.55 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: as in binaries break when building in SB (C++) |
| 19:32.17 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: if you can generate me an updated cross-compilation toolchain like codesourcery's, i would love you |
| 19:32.24 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, remember my words :) slow is better than broken |
| 19:32.36 | Stskeeps | that match the proper libc that ubuntu uses |
| 19:33.07 | slonopotamus | how do you compile cpp stuff then? |
| 19:33.12 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: natively |
| 19:33.14 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: oh, i am still pondering to write an article on "Scratchbox: Defining the platform or accelerator" |
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| 19:33.39 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: we do x86 -> armel sb and if sb fails -> armel sb |
| 19:33.40 | Stskeeps | err |
| 19:33.42 | Stskeeps | armel qemu |
| 19:34.13 | slonopotamus | armel qemu != scratchbox? |
| 19:34.16 | Stskeeps | correct |
| 19:34.33 | slonopotamus | i thought there's qemu inside scratchbox, nope? |
| 19:34.47 | Stskeeps | there is, but scratchbox is weird. SB2 would be a blessing if it worked correctly. |
| 19:34.58 | slonopotamus | muahhaha) |
| 19:35.09 | slonopotamus | 'if it worked correctly' :) |
| 19:35.23 | Stskeeps | SB1 is ok compared to SB2. :P |
| 19:35.31 | slonopotamus | you want cross-toolchain? |
| 19:35.38 | johnx | Stskeeps, what sort of machine is the qemu builder running on right now? |
| 19:35.41 | Stskeeps | lemme see.. |
| 19:35.47 | qwerty12_N800 | sb1 is the shit compared to sb2 |
| 19:35.50 | Omegamoon | johnx: can you upload the packages somewhere? |
| 19:36.06 | Stskeeps | johnx: model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6600 @ 2.40GHz |
| 19:36.14 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, if my toolchain managed to build bootable system, is it ok? |
| 19:36.20 | johnx | Omegamoon, I spoke too soon, still have one thing to work out. Also, it's all the kdrive servers not just xfbdev |
| 19:36.31 | johnx | Omegamoon, I need to split it into a multiple-binary package |
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| 19:36.56 | slonopotamus | however i |
| 19:37.03 | slonopotamus | oops |
| 19:37.04 | slonopotamus | wrong button |
| 19:37.32 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: x86 toolchain building yours? |
| 19:37.36 | Stskeeps | (for armel) |
| 19:38.13 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, uh? i built armel gentoo from x86_64 from sources |
| 19:38.20 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: ah :) |
| 19:38.40 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, using crosscompiler built from source |
| 19:38.47 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: what libc? |
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| 19:39.45 | Stskeeps | (version) |
| 19:39.46 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, 2.7 i guess. i don't think it's difficult to use older one |
| 19:40.03 | Stskeeps | ok - we use 2.8 in SDK and 2.9 in ubuntu which is the problem |
| 19:40.25 | johnx | Omegamoon, hey, looks like that fixed it :) got someplace for me to upload to? |
| 19:40.26 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, lemme check |
| 19:41.54 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: and i would love a cross-compilation gcc similar to ubuntus libc and gcc level :P |
| 19:42.05 | Stskeeps | (i am an idiot in that field, tbh) |
| 19:42.06 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, hmm... it's a bad idea to use different libc for binary-based distro |
| 19:42.14 | Stskeeps | yes, it is |
| 19:42.15 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:42.38 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, yes, i used 2.7. it's current stable in gentoo |
| 19:42.43 | Stskeeps | k |
| 19:43.11 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, why you can't use 2.9 in sb? |
| 19:43.25 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: oh, i want to use 2.9, but the toolchain i have is for libc 2.8 |
| 19:43.42 | slonopotamus | hmm |
| 19:43.54 | slonopotamus | does 2.9 has releases? |
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| 19:45.01 | Stskeeps | http://ports.ubuntu.com/pool/main/g/glibc/glibc_2.9.orig.tar.gz , http://ports.ubuntu.com/pool/main/g/glibc/glibc_2.9-0ubuntu9.dsc , http://ports.ubuntu.com/pool/main/g/glibc/glibc_2.9-0ubuntu9.diff.gz |
| 19:45.15 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, well. ubuntu is built somehow :) it means they have toolchain |
| 19:45.25 | Stskeeps | they build natively |
| 19:45.43 | Stskeeps | prolly based on debian armel armv4t one |
| 19:45.47 | Stskeeps | originally |
| 19:45.49 | slonopotamus | oh |
| 19:46.08 | slonopotamus | well, if native is not slow even to them... :) |
| 19:46.27 | Stskeeps | they seem to have a nice cluster of fast builders so :P |
| 19:47.04 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, tried tto become friends with them? :) |
| 19:47.04 | benson | So we need to hack their network and hijack their build cluster. |
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| 19:47.14 | benson | slonopotamus: or that. |
| 19:47.19 | Stskeeps | benson: i wouldn't mind mojo.handhelds.org.. :P |
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| 19:48.02 | slonopotamus | bzr is slow. use git |
| 19:48.07 | w00t | sts likes to hold his mojo in his hands quite often |
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| 19:48.35 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: oh, we would but waiting for some feature requests :) |
| 19:48.36 | benson | imagines Nokia donating a beowulf cluster of returned N810Ws... |
| 19:48.42 | Jaffa | :) |
| 19:48.43 | Stskeeps | benson: .. also possible |
| 19:48.48 | slonopotamus | :D |
| 19:48.54 | w00t | slonopotamus: you like git? |
| 19:48.57 | Jaffa | Anyone tried distcc on a tablet? |
| 19:49.10 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: yeah, we used that in deblet or in the start of M-R PoC |
| 19:49.12 | slonopotamus | w00t, i like its speed |
| 19:49.18 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: DISTCC'ing to a crosscompiler |
| 19:49.20 | johnx | benh, we'd just need to find power outlets for them and distribute them around balitmore and DC :D |
| 19:49.22 | w00t | slonopotamus: hmm, careful answer :P |
| 19:49.28 | slonopotamus | w00t, bzr on tablet is annoingly slow |
| 19:49.35 | j_stut | can any one tell me if scratch box will run on fedora 10 or is it just a bad idea seeing that much of the linux kernel on the nokia s is more or less debian based |
| 19:49.46 | rm_you | hrmrm |
| 19:49.51 | zakkm | kernel isnt distro specific :P |
| 19:49.58 | johnx | hey rm_you :D |
| 19:49.59 | Stskeeps | kidnaps rm_you for coding work. |
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| 19:50.15 | j_stut | is that a... its ok! |
| 19:50.29 | w00t | slonopotamus: bzr *anywhere* is annoyingly slow, the one time I tried to use it, I gave up after 3 attempts at importing a repository that lasted well over 8 hours.. though I mostly blame sourceforge for that. |
| 19:50.38 | zakkm | dont know scratchbox, but kernel has nothing to do with the distro |
| 19:50.54 | slonopotamus | w00t, and git is fast everywhere :) even with powersave governor |
| 19:50.56 | rm_you | heh |
| 19:51.00 | Meiz_n810 | installs WiFi radar (again) |
| 19:51.06 | slonopotamus | hehe |
| 19:51.07 | rm_you | currently still flailing at OSX |
| 19:51.22 | zakkm | osx rules |
| 19:51.38 | rm_you | there isn't a working driver for my wireless yet :( |
| 19:51.47 | rm_you | the intel 4xxx a/g/n |
| 19:52.01 | zakkm | hackintosh? |
| 19:52.06 | rm_you | yeah |
| 19:52.11 | rm_you | off the retail DVD tho |
| 19:52.15 | zakkm | give me full name, ill find you |
| 19:52.18 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 19:52.19 | rm_you | not one of those hacked up distros |
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| 19:52.32 | rm_you | i have a real license for the OS :) |
| 19:52.44 | johnx | rm_you, so take a break and do some work on Mer :) |
| 19:52.48 | rm_you | i guess technically i'm breaking the EULA by installing on a toshiba, but not pirating :) |
| 19:52.51 | zakkm | so do i , its just not from Apple ;p |
| 19:52.56 | zakkm | lol |
| 19:53.05 | zakkm | bad humor |
| 19:53.13 | rm_you | heh |
| 19:53.26 | rm_you | johnx: lol, you wanna see my todo list for today? |
| 19:53.41 | johnx | sure. I'll tell you what you can skip :) |
| 19:53.42 | lcuk | edit it for family viewing |
| 19:53.45 | rm_you | i'm playing with OSX cause it's feasible to do inside 10 minute breaks |
| 19:53.51 | slonopotamus | uses completely rebuild from source gentoo and doesn't care of eulas :) |
| 19:54.17 | zakkm | inside 10 minute breaks? |
| 19:54.35 | johnx | slonopotamus, you say that, but you can't even distribute a fully working distro :) |
| 19:54.45 | johnx | (because of EULAs I mean) |
| 19:54.49 | AndrewFBlack | anyone got address for maemo extras handy? |
| 19:54.49 | rm_you | yeah i have like 10 minutes at a time free between tasks :/ |
| 19:54.57 | johnx | ~extras |
| 19:54.58 | infobot | [extras] http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras |
| 19:55.33 | slonopotamus | johnx, uh? i'll have small manual installation guide. gentoo users are ok with this |
| 19:55.42 | lcuk | is there a quiet corner where i can go and scream very loudly |
| 19:55.54 | johnx | lcuk, not in this country ... |
| 19:56.14 | slonopotamus | lcuk, yep. /msg infobot <whatever you want> |
| 19:56.29 | Stskeeps | http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=261619&postcount=26 <- should i go hide in a corner and think this thing blew up way too much in the wrong way? |
| 19:57.18 | johnx | Stskeeps, how does he get here *so fast* sometimes? O_o |
| 19:58.08 | lcuk | cos he has a cape |
| 19:58.10 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: it's a good thing |
| 19:58.28 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: yeah, but i also misunderstood they were asking about the 3rd party stuff.. |
| 19:58.56 | RST38h | Sts: hiding sounds like a good strategy right now |
| 19:59.15 | johnx | Stskeeps, me too O_o |
| 19:59.16 | RST38h | Sts: |
| 19:59.34 | lcuk | Stskeeps, am i also right in thinking its best to keep binaries to a bare minimum anyway: if this is wanted on multiplatforms anything binary will need to be resourced anyway |
| 19:59.40 | RST38h | Sts: 'cause whatever Quim says, a flame war with conspiracy accusations against Nokia is almost guaranteed |
| 20:00.04 | johnx | lcuk, definitely agreed there. :) |
| 20:00.23 | Stskeeps | lcuk: yes, i agree, i am mostly for HW interfacing only blobs, but that's me |
| 20:00.40 | johnx | lcuk, the plan is for the base image to be all free software, with an optional -full image containing non-free things |
| 20:00.54 | lcuk | im with you - i would rather have a blob driver than no working hardware (pvr has been shouted for a long time) |
| 20:01.29 | lcuk | johnx, but where would those non free things come from |
| 20:01.35 | Stskeeps | there's one thing i wonder about - they said powervr driver would breach GPL, but doesn't umac.ko too technically? |
| 20:01.42 | lcuk | quim is right in what he says, 3rd party software is not applicable |
| 20:01.42 | johnx | lcuk, Nokia? |
| 20:02.01 | RST38h | Sts: How do they both breach gpl, |
| 20:02.11 | Stskeeps | RST38h: closed source ko? |
| 20:02.19 | RST38h | Sts: They just prevent you from labelling the whole system gpl |
| 20:02.21 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 20:02.26 | lcuk | johnx, nokia developed closed portions are one thing - thats already ok, but flash isnt |
| 20:02.38 | RST38h | Sts: But you can perfectly well follow nokia's example and release two blobs |
| 20:02.52 | RST38h | Sts: One is Mer and another Mer-Close-Source-Binaries |
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| 20:03.12 | johnx | lcuk, yeah, flash will likely have to be via a symlink or a package created on the end-user's device |
| 20:03.31 | timelE61i | sighs |
| 20:03.41 | Stskeeps | eyes the vodka |
| 20:03.42 | Jaffa | Quim says he's specifically talking about Flash. |
| 20:03.44 | timelE61i | we finally got mer working w/ my debs |
| 20:03.49 | Stskeeps | timelE61i: how does it work? |
| 20:03.52 | RST38h | screw flash |
| 20:03.59 | johnx | RST38h++ |
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| 20:04.03 | RST38h | whoever wants flash will be able to install it separately |
| 20:04.14 | lcuk | johnx, thats a big problem though and playing by the word of an agreement and using backhanded tricks to get dodgy software in is another |
| 20:04.30 | RST38h | the burden of violating licenses will then rest at whoever installs flash |
| 20:04.38 | lcuk | its like the problem with maemo-mapper |
| 20:04.54 | lcuk | nudge nudge, wink wink theres a map respoisitory somewhere |
| 20:05.04 | johnx | lcuk, first-boot-wizard asks: Would you like me to link flash into rootfs? Yes? No? |
| 20:05.05 | Jaffa | lcuk/johnx: why second guess? Ask for ability to merge Flash plugin with mer images distributed through Nokia-controlled, EULA-binded pages and see what the response is. |
| 20:05.18 | lcuk | agreed |
| 20:05.27 | RST38h | just fucked up MSDOS keyboard handler. Have to restore it |
| 20:05.30 | Jaffa | johnx: where from though? Or is the thought now that merinstaller is more useful than a flashable image? |
| 20:05.33 | johnx | yeah, that's what we were thinking anyways |
| 20:06.00 | johnx | Jaffa, don't ask me right now. this is me just kind of thinking freely not doing long-term planning |
| 20:06.03 | johnx | :) |
| 20:06.07 | Jaffa | doesn't want to faff copying maps to & from his /media/mmc2, which is why he's not installed mer image yet (that and VirtualBox works :-)) |
| 20:07.44 | GeneralAntilles | responds to gcobb's bit about contributors vs users. |
| 20:07.46 | timelE61i | stskeep: pretty well, i needed to poke one file+apps, i'll make a deb for that shortly |
| 20:08.23 | Stskeeps | timelE61i: 5.0 or 6.0 debs btw? |
| 20:09.11 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: on the plus side qgil directly says "want nokia binaries? sure!" |
| 20:09.15 | Stskeeps | (more or less) |
| 20:10.07 | timelE61i | who owns the cpu meter from mer? |
| 20:10.11 | Stskeeps | load-applet |
| 20:10.29 | timelE61i | diablo |
| 20:10.35 | Stskeeps | no idea who made it actually :P |
| 20:10.38 | etrunko | infobot: seen chelli |
| 20:10.41 | infobot | chelli <n=chelli@debian/developer/tschmidt> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 54d 23h 7m 48s ago, saying: ':)'. |
| 20:10.51 | etrunko | :S |
| 20:11.47 | timelE61i | ? |
| 20:13.25 | Stskeeps | timelE61i: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/load-applet |
| 20:14.20 | timeless | jaffa: would you mind if i made a component for load applet in bugzilla? |
| 20:14.22 | timeless | :) |
| 20:14.30 | timeless | mer ships it, and it's buggy :) |
| 20:19.12 | Stskeeps | OK, from Mer perspective and from you people's point of view, did I try to respond correctly in my post at http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=261584&postcount=20 , cos i'm getting close to a minor heart attack over the potential mess / potential damage to the opening :P |
| 20:20.09 | wazd | RST38h: "No keyboard found. Press "Esc" to continue" :) |
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| 20:20.59 | johnx | Stskeeps, don't worry about it :) this is just qole, qoling :) |
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| 20:21.59 | benson | I think you did ok; at least you hit the substantive points, instead of the facetious statement at the end. ;) |
| 20:23.50 | Jaffa | timeless: sounds sensible; assuming someone's going to follow up on them |
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| 20:25.15 | timeless | jaffa: ok, i'll do it in a few mins |
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| 20:26.00 | lcuk | Stskeeps, its an ugly subject, but it needs airing completely |
| 20:26.07 | RST38h | wazd: What says that? |
| 20:26.15 | RST38h | Ah, yes, I know |
| 20:26.42 | RST38h | wazd: Had a Bondwell portable once that said "Keyboard error. Smash any key to continue." |
| 20:27.00 | lcuk | we will have a mer soon which will shot a broken screen |
| 20:27.04 | lcuk | show |
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| 20:29.29 | wazd | is trying to make OMWeather adorable for third-party weather sources |
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| 20:32.19 | johnx | wazd, adding in a way to display banner ads? |
| 20:32.52 | AStorm | lcuk: the one with jaws and failboat? ;) |
| 20:33.09 | lcuk | :D |
| 20:33.22 | wazd | johnx: well, sort of |
| 20:33.47 | wazd | johnx: Try to adopt design to show their logos on detailed view |
| 20:34.05 | wazd | johnx: without annoying |
| 20:35.27 | lcuk | we should just leave a small area in the bottom corner of the nit for sponsorship logos - like a tv station :D have a watermark |
| 20:36.13 | lcuk | mind you, we could just use the bezel of the hardware |
| 20:36.38 | lcuk | "please change this facia sticker every 2 weeks according to our advertizer |
| 20:38.57 | wazd | lcuk: well, I have an idea that will fit both users and forecast-providers) |
| 20:39.24 | wazd | lcuk: if not - they are fricking assholes and they shoud burn in hell, greedy bastards) |
| 20:39.35 | lcuk | hot bikini models rendered in glorious 3d? |
| 20:39.45 | StOrM_NW | what package has the program depmod ? |
| 20:39.50 | lcuk | cos thats what *I* as a user would want |
| 20:40.01 | wazd | lcuk: damn, was it already done?( |
| 20:40.08 | lcuk | not on nokias |
| 20:40.23 | lcuk | infact ive not heard about anything adult oriented |
| 20:41.01 | qwerty12_N800 | StOrM_NW, it's not installable as a package thanks to busybox. grab a binary from http://sse2.net/depmod |
| 20:41.10 | lcuk | when we get a nice high resolution camera i imagine we may require a secret vault for private pics |
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| 20:42.26 | lcuk | who wants to guess how much memory we will have? |
| 20:42.30 | benson | I haven't tried it, but hot-babe should work. |
| 20:42.31 | lcuk | errr drive space |
| 20:42.38 | benson | http://dindinx.net/hotbabe/ |
| 20:42.44 | lcuk | but wouldnt she tear? |
| 20:43.40 | benson | Don't think so. |
| 20:44.03 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, fancy packaging something up? |
| 20:44.06 | benson | "undress" is best translated as "close dissolve" |
| 20:44.18 | benson | s/close/clothes/ |
| 20:44.35 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, kinda hard as I'm on the tablet now... |
| 20:44.39 | benson | No animation, just layers changing transparency. |
| 20:44.54 | wazd | well, then we shoud have a media plugin for redtube or something xD |
| 20:45.08 | freelikegnu | boots mer for the first time ^^ |
| 20:45.18 | Stskeeps | freelikegnu: good luck :) |
| 20:45.35 | timeless | sp3000? |
| 20:45.40 | timeless | Generating locales... |
| 20:45.47 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:45.52 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.03 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.09 | timeless | s/ / / |
| 20:46.10 | freelikegnu | generating ssh key |
| 20:46.15 | timeless | failed |
| 20:46.20 | timeless | Generation complete. |
| 20:46.35 | Stskeeps | timeless: vmdk? :P |
| 20:46.36 | lcuk | hey, hang on |
| 20:46.41 | lcuk | it doesnt have a ./configure section |
| 20:46.42 | timeless | yes |
| 20:46.49 | AStorm | timelE61i: generate me pl_PL.UTF-8 too |
| 20:46.49 | Stskeeps | timeless: put more ram in the VM? ;) |
| 20:46.53 | lcuk | and there are 5 pngs denoting her in a different state of undress :D |
| 20:46.59 | Jaffa | wazd: redtube? |
| 20:47.00 | AStorm | (pl_PL using en_GB names for now) |
| 20:47.01 | timeless | stskeeps: i'm assuming it's a random failure :) |
| 20:47.03 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 20:47.13 | timeless | i.e. stupid error message for something unrelated |
| 20:47.52 | AStorm | timeless: so, care to generate me pl_PL.UTF-8? |
| 20:48.04 | timeless | not really |
| 20:48.07 | Jaffa | Interesting comment #8 from Eero on #2399; suggests that Fremantle won't be using jffs2 (hang on, did we already know?) |
| 20:48.15 | timeless | i'm just trying to get en_US correct |
| 20:48.19 | timeless | jaffa: that's right |
| 20:48.20 | AStorm | hmmh |
| 20:48.25 | timeless | nokia's been contributing to ubifs for a while |
| 20:48.29 | timeless | this is well known |
| 20:48.37 | freelikegnu | hmm no onscreen kb came up for password confirm, and cancelling just contiued on :o |
| 20:48.42 | Jaffa | timeless: he then goes on to say it's even harder for ubifs ;-) |
| 20:48.42 | timeless | well, for some weak definition of well known :) |
| 20:48.45 | AStorm | good, because jffs2 is... a filesystem ;P |
| 20:48.49 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, yen, me knew. |
| 20:48.53 | GeneralAntilles | s/me/we/ |
| 20:48.59 | GeneralAntilles | s/yen/yes/ |
| 20:49.09 | timeless | rotfl |
| 20:49.13 | GeneralAntilles | recalibrating. . . . |
| 20:49.15 | AStorm | btw, can we have a true block device emulation with wear levelling? |
| 20:49.33 | timeless | lofifs ? |
| 20:49.58 | AStorm | no, not a filesystem |
| 20:50.02 | AStorm | more like device-mapper |
| 20:50.04 | Stskeeps | freelikegnu: you need to manually click HIM up |
| 20:50.06 | timeless | whatever |
| 20:50.10 | AStorm | a block device |
| 20:50.11 | timeless | if a device is just a pointer to a file |
| 20:50.17 | timeless | then you now have a "block device" |
| 20:50.19 | Stskeeps | 'I.e. on Fremantle user files are planned to be elsewhere than on rootfs. |
| 20:50.21 | timeless | which would be wear leveled |
| 20:50.28 | Stskeeps | they're going to be on the FAT partition, btw |
| 20:50.28 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:50.33 | Stskeeps | of the internal MMC |
| 20:50.34 | timeless | stskeeps: right |
| 20:50.42 | timeless | calling it an mmc bothers me |
| 20:50.43 | Jaffa | the mahoosive one? |
| 20:50.45 | timeless | but yes, that thing |
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| 20:51.03 | AStorm | timeless: that's loopback |
| 20:51.05 | freelikegnu | Stskeeps: HIM? |
| 20:51.13 | Stskeeps | freelikegnu: hildon input method :) |
| 20:51.14 | AStorm | yes, I could use dm-loop |
| 20:51.18 | Stskeeps | (the on screen keyboard) |
| 20:51.22 | AStorm | but I'd prefer something more low-level |
| 20:51.42 | freelikegnu | clicking text input area worked for other requestors |
| 20:52.00 | Stskeeps | freelikegnu: k, file a bug if you can (or is johnx listening in?) |
| 20:53.00 | johnx | hallo? |
| 20:53.35 | freelikegnu | Stskeeps: will do... btw, I love the NetworkManager integration :D |
| 20:53.39 | Stskeeps | freelikegnu: what did you experience exactly? |
| 20:53.43 | Stskeeps | freelikegnu: mm, it's a hack |
| 20:53.51 | johnx | cancelling continued? |
| 20:54.23 | freelikegnu | well I got HIM for user name and password setting dialogs by tapping on the input area |
| 20:54.54 | freelikegnu | but tapping on the text input area for password verification did not bring up HIM |
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| 20:55.09 | johnx | odd |
| 20:55.31 | johnx | so you cancelled the confirm screen? then what happened? |
| 20:55.31 | timeless | btw, have you locale deprived people looked at www.it46.se/localegen/ ? |
| 20:55.32 | freelikegnu | so I tapped cancel (I think) and the setup just contiuned on |
| 20:55.44 | dieb_ | Hi, how can I make an osso systemnote that has that "loading" gif? |
| 20:55.45 | freelikegnu | as if it confirmed ok |
| 20:56.00 | johnx | did it assign you the password you picked first time? |
| 20:56.12 | dieb_ | (in python) |
| 20:56.14 | freelikegnu | not sure, I'll check |
| 20:56.41 | AndrewFBlack | if anyone need some free webspace for a Maemo Project I''m reopening Maemobox this week |
| 20:57.28 | StOrM_NW | hey johnx the new driver worked perfect ... really thanks for the help |
| 20:57.45 | StOrM_NW | wifi driver cx31xx |
| 20:57.45 | qwerty12_N800 | dieb_, http://lovebug356.blogspot.com/2007/08/hildon-banner-in-pymaemo.html ? |
| 20:57.47 | johnx | StOrM_NW, thank Stskeeps for the driver patch :) |
| 20:58.18 | StOrM_NW | yep thanks Stskeeps :) |
| 20:58.20 | johnx | StOrM_NW, glad to hear it :) you should post somewhere about your mesh networking project. sounds quite interesting |
| 20:59.16 | dieb_ | qwerty12_N800, great, thanks! :) |
| 20:59.39 | freelikegnu | hmm network connections has me stuck for a keyring permission |
| 20:59.52 | StOrM_NW | yep ... it is still in development phase, but as soon as it goes stable i will post something about it |
| 21:00.10 | Stskeeps | freelikegnu: huh? 0.7? |
| 21:00.16 | johnx | freelikegnu, anyways, I'm gonna get some sleep for now, but I'll check out f-b-w in more depth tomorrow |
| 21:00.33 | freelikegnu | have a good sleep johnx! |
| 21:00.40 | StOrM_NW | later johnx |
| 21:00.51 | Stskeeps | freelikegnu: something prolly screwed up in f-b-w then :P |
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| 21:01.42 | freelikegnu | Stskeeps: yeah there is a blank window for network connections and trying to move show a hidden window requesting permission to access keyring :o |
| 21:02.21 | Stskeeps | freelikegnu: try press the unlock thing |
| 21:02.30 | ezadkiel_mB | hi guys, I got a question about debugging an application on an n810 any information would be greatly appreciated. |
| 21:02.32 | lcuk | omg wtf lol! |
| 21:02.37 | lcuk | hot-babe is amusing |
| 21:02.38 | ezadkiel_mB | nokia |
| 21:03.16 | lcuk | this technology is very useful |
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| 21:03.21 | lcuk | and should be showcased more |
| 21:03.30 | freelikegnu | fortunately load applet let me kill NM |
| 21:03.34 | freelikegnu | whew |
| 21:04.35 | Stskeeps | b-man: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4062 |
| 21:04.49 | freelikegnu | it appears the password I had entered was used depite the verification |
| 21:04.49 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, getting sprung over cartoons doesn't really appeal to me :p |
| 21:05.09 | freelikegnu | I was able to set passwd in xterm |
| 21:05.15 | lcuk | its for the tech - its fast animation |
| 21:05.20 | lcuk | anyway bbl after 24 |
| 21:05.23 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: was the wifi driver for N8x0 that StOrM_NW referenced? |
| 21:05.31 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: yeah |
| 21:05.38 | Stskeeps | i am compiling up one atm |
| 21:06.08 | StOrM_NW | yep |
| 21:06.08 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: good deal, just trying to make sure I was paying attention ;) |
| 21:07.50 | aquatix | hm, is maemo.org slightly broken, or am I? |
| 21:08.44 | b-man | Stskeeps: hmm, that's a strange bug :p i'll look into it ;) |
| 21:09.06 | freelikegnu | also odd that I was able to connect to WPA once but it fails thereafter |
| 21:10.10 | Stskeeps | aquatix: white pages once in a while |
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| 21:10.21 | Stskeeps | freelikegnu: yeah, the cx3110x driver is a bit funny |
| 21:10.25 | aquatix | Stskeeps: i have emtpy articles and such |
| 21:10.29 | aquatix | with empty comments |
| 21:10.39 | Stskeeps | aquatix: relaod |
| 21:11.04 | freelikegnu | Stskeeps: understood :D |
| 21:11.05 | aquatix | same issue |
| 21:11.13 | aquatix | makes screenshot |
| 21:11.32 | freelikegnu | still I think this is really great |
| 21:11.55 | wazd | lads, what do you think: http://s51.radikal.ru/i132/0902/f4/5022d825a4be.jpg |
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| 21:12.24 | b-man | starts to compile/build up some more packages for ubuntu n8x0 repo and looks into the merinstaller bug :) |
| 21:12.28 | aquatix | Stskeeps: http://dump.aquariusoft.org/files/2009-02-02-221132_1400x1050_scrot.png |
| 21:12.47 | qwerty12_N800 | wazd, looking good |
| 21:13.32 | Stskeeps | aquatix: neat :P |
| 21:13.36 | aquatix | wazd: slick |
| 21:13.49 | wazd | Would foreca be satisfied with that stuff?) |
| 21:13.50 | aquatix | Stskeeps: depends on your definitions ;) |
| 21:13.56 | freelikegnu | when WPA fails the authentication requestor comes up for WPA password but shows a very long hex string instead of the password I put in |
| 21:14.18 | freelikegnu | maybe it thinks its connecting to WEP? |
| 21:14.39 | Stskeeps | possible - there's an error when it has time to sleep |
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| 21:14.50 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/cx3110x.ko |
| 21:14.51 | aquatix | freelikegnu: i didn't follow your complete issue, but it's regular wpa you're connecting to? |
| 21:14.55 | Stskeeps | try drop it in and modprobe -a |
| 21:14.58 | Stskeeps | er, depmod -a |
| 21:15.01 | freelikegnu | yep |
| 21:15.06 | aquatix | freelikegnu: ok |
| 21:15.18 | aquatix | as radius stuff gives you wep keys and such |
| 21:15.39 | freelikegnu | nope just basic home WPA-PSK |
| 21:15.51 | freelikegnu | iirc |
| 21:17.39 | freelikegnu | doh blank desktop on rotation |
| 21:18.04 | freelikegnu | is there a button combo for power off/reboot |
| 21:18.43 | Stskeeps | nop |
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| 21:18.50 | Stskeeps | it's UI tricks |
| 21:18.51 | aquatix | ctrl+alt+del? :) |
| 21:18.55 | freelikegnu | winces as he removes the battery |
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| 21:19.10 | freelikegnu | no kb on my n800, aquatix ;-) |
| 21:19.20 | aquatix | meh ;) |
| 21:19.24 | Stskeeps | freelikegnu: i pop battery often |
| 21:19.25 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:19.35 | freelikegnu | is spoiled |
| 21:19.35 | AStorm | aquatix: no del button :P |
| 21:19.39 | aquatix | freelikegnu: maybe try holding the power button first |
| 21:19.45 | aquatix | AStorm: i'm aware :) |
| 21:20.08 | AStorm | next device should better have a hardware reboot button |
| 21:20.15 | AStorm | and/or hardware power button |
| 21:20.21 | aquatix | heh |
| 21:20.29 | freelikegnu | all buttons are soft mapped on n800, no? |
| 21:20.34 | AStorm | yes |
| 21:20.43 | AStorm | they're accessed over GPIO |
| 21:20.50 | freelikegnu | soft blobs too eh? |
| 21:21.01 | AStorm | hm? |
| 21:21.18 | AStorm | all of them |
| 21:21.24 | freelikegnu | the access to power button is not open software? |
| 21:21.28 | AStorm | ... |
| 21:21.31 | AStorm | it is |
| 21:21.36 | AStorm | it's available over GPIO |
| 21:21.38 | freelikegnu | hah it rebooted with a wifi connectio |
| 21:21.41 | AStorm | the problem is, it's all done in software |
| 21:21.50 | freelikegnu | gonna grab wpa supplicant while I can |
| 21:21.51 | AStorm | I mean, handling the press |
| 21:22.02 | AStorm | no hardware "hold for 4s to powerdown" |
| 21:22.15 | AStorm | funny, because there is power-on |
| 21:22.48 | AStorm | not funny when you crash the device and have to yank the battery |
| 21:23.19 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: keep me updated with if it works at all :) |
| 21:23.22 | aquatix | crashes into his bed |
| 21:23.23 | aquatix | nn all |
| 21:24.24 | freelikegnu | AStorm: its kind of embarrassing during a crowded train ride |
| 21:24.26 | freelikegnu | hehe |
| 21:24.58 | freelikegnu | they see the GNU sticker on my battery cover |
| 21:25.05 | wazd | well, if I were forecast provider - I'd be proud for having such a cool informer absolutely for free) |
| 21:25.24 | wazd | But they all are greedy bastards, you'll see |
| 21:25.47 | AStorm | freelikegnu: it doesn't happen that often live |
| 21:25.52 | AStorm | but often enough in development |
| 21:25.55 | AStorm | :/ |
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| 21:32.29 | freelikegnu | installs firefox |
| 21:37.10 | FireFox | freelikegunn: hehe |
| 21:37.10 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: the umac.ko need to be copid over instead of symlinked? |
| 21:37.44 | FireFox | re: freelikegnu - sorry |
| 21:40.31 | freelikegnu | heh bbl |
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| 21:41.05 | RST38h | Arghh, Ubuntu decided to upgrade gcc |
| 21:41.25 | RST38h | Possibilities for disaster boggle the mind |
| 21:42.42 | abiword | help! I can't do tap and hold for right click in the web browser! it works perfectly fine everywhere else, like in the file manager. but when it comes to the web browser, I tap and hold and nothing happens. when i let go, it clicks on the link. |
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| 21:43.13 | r2d2rogers | StsN800: SoftMAC not initialized, chip not booted (Get oid 0x17000012) |
| 21:44.02 | StsN800 | r2d2rogers, cx3110x .ko in lib/modules/whatever, umac symlinked |
| 21:44.08 | StsN800 | reboot |
| 21:46.06 | r2d2rogers | StsN800: done, with the result above |
| 21:46.07 | abiword | can anyone pls help me with my problem? |
| 21:46.23 | r2d2rogers | no wireless showing in the nm-applet dropdowen either |
| 21:47.10 | StsN800 | r2d2rogers, hmm |
| 21:47.23 | StsN800 | r2d2rogers, ifconfig wlan0 up |
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| 21:48.35 | r2d2rogers | StsN800: restart NetworkManager also and I get wireless showing up \o/ |
| 21:48.43 | r2d2rogers | trying some WPA stuff |
| 21:49.18 | r2d2rogers | StsN800: nothing in the wireless security dropdown... |
| 21:49.26 | r2d2rogers | StsN800: need another package? |
| 21:49.31 | StsN800 | thought so |
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| 21:53.21 | StsN800 | r2d2rogers, sec trying smth |
| 21:54.12 | r2d2rogers | StsN800: k |
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| 22:00.31 | ShadowJK | The CRT is fine 'til the phosphors become too dark :-) |
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| 22:00.59 | AndrewFBlack | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 22:01.06 | AndrewFBlack | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 22:01.16 | fireun | stop that |
| 22:01.57 | benson | AndrewFBlack: Fall asleep on your keyboard? |
| 22:02.11 | fireun | upside down and angry? |
| 22:06.14 | StsN800 | r2d2rogers, redl same url try again |
| 22:06.37 | StsN800 | reboot, ifconfig wlan0, restart nm |
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| 22:10.22 | r2d2rogers | StsN800: rebooting |
| 22:11.12 | r2d2rogers | StsN800: FYI, top right part of 770 case is warm |
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| 22:13.22 | AStorm | maybe that guy just destroyed his NIT screen... |
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| 22:15.39 | r2d2rogers | StsN800: awesome, I see the options, trying to connect |
| 22:16.25 | r2d2rogers | StsN800: had to modprobe before ifconfig wlan0 up... |
| 22:16.33 | Mek | can I somehow remove a package from extras-devel, because that package is broken and an older version actually does work better? |
| 22:16.46 | Mek | (I know, I should test packages before uploading them... :) ) |
| 22:19.41 | r2d2rogers | StsN800: nm-applet froze, batter pop and trying again. |
| 22:19.54 | StsN800 | k |
| 22:21.44 | qwerty12_N800 | Mek, X-Fade may delete them, dunno but you can reupload old source package with epoched version number (http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version) afaik |
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| 22:25.47 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, re: solca's post about "open" devices, what's actually keeping us on 2.6.21? |
| 22:26.00 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I feel like there's some misinformation there. . . . |
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| 22:32.55 | han-solo | hi |
| 22:33.06 | GeneralAntilles | Howdy |
| 22:33.39 | han-solo | is there anyway to change the date/time values of the internal gps before the Maps application reads them? |
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| 22:40.16 | lcuk | han-solo, you wanna beat your kessle run record? |
| 22:40.37 | lcuk | kessel * |
| 22:40.46 | han-solo | :-)) |
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| 22:41.32 | han-solo | no, I'm tired of asking for new trials, I want to keep the date part of the info received from gps to "today" |
| 22:41.35 | lcuk | i dont think there is - why do you wanna play with the timings from atomic clocks? |
| 22:41.43 | lcuk | ahhh thats a different thing |
| 22:41.48 | lcuk | thats not the gps timings |
| 22:42.11 | lcuk | thats the license lockout and entirely down to the maps publisher |
| 22:42.37 | r2d2rogers | StsN800: not much luck connecting, seems to drag on connection attempt, but without maxing the CPU |
| 22:42.45 | r2d2rogers | will try another AP at home |
| 22:42.52 | r2d2rogers | or an open one tonight |
| 22:45.12 | han-solo | luck, so there is no way to put a home brew application between the internal gps and the maps app? |
| 22:46.38 | r2d2rogers | StsN800: ahhha, tiw as waiting on the Keyring you've been griping about <G> |
| 22:47.02 | r2d2rogers | StsN800: more details later, probably tomrrow. |
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| 22:47.21 | lardman | evening all |
| 22:49.00 | lcuk | hey lardster |
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| 22:49.08 | lcuk | hows the snow |
| 22:49.15 | lardman | melting |
| 22:49.22 | lardman | only time for a couple of handbrake turns |
| 22:49.23 | freelikegnu | StsN800: been connected wifi for over an hour now, |
| 22:49.25 | freelikegnu | :D |
| 22:49.58 | lcuk | heh, last time i played inthe snow in my car i went sideways onto a morrisons flowerbed |
| 22:50.07 | freelikegnu | thogh I cant figure out how to get HIM up in FF |
| 22:50.08 | lcuk | and i did 70mph whilst standing still |
| 22:50.25 | GeneralAntilles | han-solo, the time doesn't come from the GPS. |
| 22:50.35 | GeneralAntilles | han-solo, rather than trying to steal the service, why not just pay? |
| 22:50.47 | lardman | I was a bit worried this evening trying to drive up hill on some quiet back roads, but only snow, no ice |
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| 22:51.23 | lcuk | http://www.flixxy.com/cars-on-ice.htm |
| 22:51.31 | lcuk | it will be like this tomorrow ;) |
| 22:52.13 | lcuk | and the music will go through your head as you try to go home ;) |
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| 22:53.01 | wazd | dudes, do you think that this banner size and place is enough to adore forecast-providers? http://s39.radikal.ru/i085/0902/7b/d759775c2e2e.jpg |
| 22:53.10 | lardman | lcuk: I had to do that a few years back while backing out of my garage (which is on a slope at right angles to the way you drive in) |
| 22:53.29 | lardman | random sliding and trying to avoid clonking car on garage entrace |
| 22:53.30 | han-solo | General, I honestly don't think that it is worth the $129 (for 3 years) |
| 22:53.35 | lcuk | heh |
| 22:53.43 | GeneralAntilles | han-solo, then don't use it. |
| 22:53.45 | lcuk | han-solo, then dont - use it when you need it? |
| 22:54.07 | lcuk | its somethin i buy a monthly license for if i know im goin away |
| 22:54.45 | lardman | lcuk: I saw on ch4 this evening some stuff like that too - any 2wd cars were in all sorts of trouble, then a subaru impreza wrx just drove past happy as Larry :) |
| 22:54.46 | wazd | 129 bucks for 3 years it's like 40 bucks a year = 3 bucks a month |
| 22:55.01 | wazd | for god sake, are you that poor?) |
| 22:55.01 | lcuk | 4wd have no problems getting going :) |
| 22:55.18 | han-solo | is that hard to just answer to the technical question I asked? I'm not asking you to do it for me... If you don't know the answer, just say it and I'll try somewhere else |
| 22:55.32 | lcuk | han-solo, use the force. |
| 22:55.39 | lcuk | doesn't that come with tomtom |
| 22:55.49 | wazd | guys, answer me! http://s39.radikal.ru/i085/0902/7b/d759775c2e2e.jpg |
| 22:55.57 | wazd | -----> http://s39.radikal.ru/i085/0902/7b/d759775c2e2e.jpg <----- |
| 22:56.00 | wazd | xD |
| 22:56.51 | wazd | If you were Foreca, would you be happy with that? |
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| 22:57.33 | han-solo | see ya all |
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| 23:01.09 | lcuk | wazd, can you do that kind of customization with omweather? |
| 23:02.16 | wazd | lcuk: that's not the problem right now |
| 23:02.34 | lcuk | what is? |
| 23:02.44 | wazd | lcuk: the problem is to convince providers to give us info "legaly" |
| 23:02.46 | lcuk | it looks good btw |
| 23:03.45 | wazd | I want an exchange: their banner with link for xml source |
| 23:05.22 | wazd | So I want to write e-mails to different providers, explaining stuff, with an ask for xml source |
| 23:06.06 | wazd | Last "asking" attempt was failed :) |
| 23:06.21 | lcuk | you ever thought about going the inverted way? |
| 23:06.37 | lcuk | lots of folks now have home weather stations |
| 23:06.43 | lcuk | some are bluetooth/wifi |
| 23:07.14 | wazd | lcuk: so?) |
| 23:07.51 | lcuk | it would be nice to have that info with me whilst im at the computer instead of having to go downstairs to the wall to look at the readouts :) |
| 23:08.13 | lcuk | and your display pretty much covers it :) |
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| 23:08.46 | lcuk | its just an alternative datasource |
| 23:09.06 | wazd | lcuk: that's pretty hard request. Cause we haven't got any weather station in here :) |
| 23:09.41 | wazd | lcuk: So we can't even check it if it's possible to combine |
| 23:09.56 | lcuk | by the same tune i hadnt heard of anyone with those car sensors that carmen uses either |
| 23:10.09 | lcuk | thats the same idea |
| 23:10.22 | GeneralAntilles | Carmen? |
| 23:10.32 | GeneralAntilles | Is that some lady or a whole team of mechanics? |
| 23:10.37 | lcuk | carman |
| 23:10.39 | lcuk | lol |
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| 23:11.05 | lcuk | i dunno, i just read about it, thought "luke would love that", moved on |
| 23:11.10 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, OBDII ports or readers? :P |
| 23:12.00 | wazd | Well, he have lots of stuff to do for the OMW future, I'll add your request to my personal list, lcuk :) |
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| 23:12.27 | lcuk | wazd, just an idea nothing more |
| 23:12.33 | wazd | Can't wait for new UI release to start work |
| 23:12.43 | leandroal | I'm trying to submit package to maemo-extras using dput, but dput is return "KeyError: 'files'"... what is the problem? |
| 23:12.44 | lcuk | laughs |
| 23:12.58 | lcuk | can see something working really really nicely |
| 23:13.16 | lcuk | lardman :) i can detect clicks again now |
| 23:14.18 | lardman | warmed up enough that you can feel your fingers? |
| 23:14.56 | lcuk | heh, no the mouse events are now tied into the cell tree. i can click on widgets in the new liqbase core :) |
| 23:15.38 | wazd | Oh, Ciroip is participating n97 widget contest aswell) |
| 23:15.46 | wazd | With his "flipclock" |
| 23:15.47 | lcuk | rendering is pretty much there, dynamic widgets are there, instancing and scaling and font rendering is there |
| 23:15.56 | wazd | http://2009.nseries.com/competition/gallery/3.aspx |
| 23:16.11 | lcuk | wazd, i will be entering a liqbase widget soon :) |
| 23:16.25 | lcuk | either that or i might just bring them all to life |
| 23:17.03 | wazd | ohmy)))) |
| 23:17.14 | wazd | They have so many duplicated items) |
| 23:17.34 | wazd | Not only me was pissed bout their weird upload system) |
| 23:18.05 | lcuk | im miffed at the locked aspect and size of them |
| 23:18.16 | lcuk | its such a low resolution because thats what the n97 is |
| 23:18.23 | lcuk | they look awful all on the tablet |
| 23:18.31 | lcuk | needs a squarer aspect ;) |
| 23:18.41 | lcuk | 9 fit on screen nicely |
| 23:18.47 | lcuk | and are clickable and active |
| 23:19.54 | wazd | OMFG! |
| 23:19.58 | wazd | Check it out! |
| 23:19.59 | lcuk | at those dimensions on the tablet it will be 2 colums, 8 rows |
| 23:20.01 | lardman | hmm, where do I find openssh these days? |
| 23:20.08 | wazd | http://2009.nseries.com/competition/gallery/13.aspx |
| 23:20.17 | wazd | Apple movie trailers |
| 23:20.26 | wazd | He actually took my widget apart@) |
| 23:20.29 | wazd | omg)) |
| 23:20.46 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman, extras |
| 23:21.01 | wazd | OMG)))) |
| 23:21.07 | wazd | And another one!)) |
| 23:21.09 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, really? I mean . . . REALLY? |
| 23:21.16 | wazd | Wholy macarony)) |
| 23:21.25 | lcuk | wazd, download a load of them and make a tile to fit on the 800*480 screen and view on tablet |
| 23:21.36 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: well I have Extras enabled and I can't seem to find it |
| 23:21.47 | lardman | that was why I asked, thought I might be going mad or something |
| 23:21.59 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, yes, you are. :P |
| 23:22.26 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, most of these are pretty bad. |
| 23:23.20 | wazd | http://2009.nseries.com/images/InnovationNewsdesk//originals/6209f8b6-9553-4c2c-81a8-23a710a4acdb.jpg <---- thats mine |
| 23:23.30 | wazd | http://2009.nseries.com/images/InnovationNewsdesk//originals/bc451969-fa01-42c2-95fe-b4575677ce60.JPG <------ #1 |
| 23:23.39 | wazd | http://2009.nseries.com/images/InnovationNewsdesk//originals/cc8c3737-dd93-43b6-aba5-2e89c47a9486.jpg <------ #2 |
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| 23:24.45 | wazd | Can I have an oscar in "Most cloned widget" nomination?) |
| 23:26.22 | wazd | btw that contest arrangment system is a total crap |
| 23:26.27 | lardman | curses and realises his n800 doesn't have the latest flash image |
| 23:26.39 | lardman | doh! |
| 23:26.51 | wazd | you can't give direct link to the widget |
| 23:27.18 | wazd | more than that, you can't give a link to the page, cause they are always changing |
| 23:27.36 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, crappy website, too. |
| 23:27.44 | GeneralAntilles | Rating reloads the page and takes you back to the top. . . |
| 23:28.02 | lcuk | wazd http://liqbase.net/liq.20090202_232708.lib.scr.png |
| 23:28.34 | wazd | lcuk: they looks resized :) |
| 23:28.35 | lcuk | i have a widget which loads them in and shows all of them at any size, at the prescribed size on the tablet they dont look good |
| 23:29.01 | lcuk | they are but you get the idea - its adjusted for aspect slightly cos it gave each exactly half the screen width |
| 23:29.14 | lcuk | it makes the screen too busy |
| 23:29.38 | wazd | yep |
| 23:29.52 | lcuk | its like a bad internet explorer advert |
| 23:29.54 | wazd | btw, it's funny that nokia has standartized widget size |
| 23:29.56 | lcuk | a wall of noise |
| 23:30.06 | lcuk | thats for the ui on the phone |
| 23:30.09 | lcuk | watch the demos |
| 23:30.36 | lcuk | something feels wrong about it though - those ideas work as the kind of adverts we ignore on the web |
| 23:30.40 | lcuk | its not a widget |
| 23:30.47 | wazd | cause here I was talking bout it: http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2008/03/04/chapter-iii-home-sweet-home/ |
| 23:31.43 | lcuk | nice, i layout my vb forms on a similar grid :) |
| 23:31.55 | wazd | not exactly that stuff, but standards anyway) |
| 23:31.58 | lcuk | and my report designer is the same |
| 23:32.39 | lcuk | tracy plays a lot of sims |
| 23:32.50 | lcuk | have you seen the grid layout they use for the elements there |
| 23:33.01 | wazd | yep) |
| 23:33.25 | lardman | hmm, how do I search for closed bugs? I only seem to be able to see New ones in the bugtracker (looking at My Bugs section) |
| 23:34.44 | lcuk | i dunno, post a link |
| 23:35.02 | lardman | to what? bug tracker? |
| 23:35.25 | lcuk | yeah you have it open |
| 23:36.02 | lardman | ah, I twiddled a value in the url from __open__ to __closed__ and it's done what I wanted, sorry for the noise |
| 23:37.01 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, use the real search. |
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| 23:37.12 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, the quick search is next to useless. |
| 23:40.16 | lcuk | damn! i just realised, with liqbase in windowed mode, screenshots will not work by default! |
| 23:40.30 | lcuk | so a desktop screenshot shows clear through |
| 23:40.43 | lcuk | and a liqbase screenshot has no border |
| 23:42.46 | roope | wazd: the foreca image looks good. |
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| 23:42.49 | lardman | yeah, I searched for karma, and only got open bugs until I twiddled the url for that too |
| 23:42.54 | lardman_ | re |
| 23:43.17 | lcuk | roope, doesnt it just :) nice and clear and simple |
| 23:43.18 | roope | Although the bottom strip of dates and numbers is a itsy bitsy small. |
| 23:43.26 | roope | At least on the target device screen. |
| 23:43.33 | roope | compared to 50% of screen space being just empty. |
| 23:44.42 | roope | I'm interesting in today and possibly tomorrow, so in that terms the sizing and the importance of some of the elements is perhaps a bit off. |
| 23:44.47 | lcuk | wazd, theres a point, does hte sky color change? |
| 23:44.51 | lcuk | or should it.. |
| 23:45.16 | GeneralAntilles | Why do people insist on using fixed-width layouts for NO REASON AT ALL. |
| 23:45.26 | GeneralAntilles | lardman_, use this: https://bugs.maemo.org/query.cgi |
| 23:45.38 | derf | GeneralAntilles: Because it's easier. |
| 23:45.50 | roope | Well, regarding text, there is an "optimum width" for a text column usually. |
| 23:46.06 | roope | a poorly designed non-fixed width layout fucks that up usually. |
| 23:46.06 | lardman_ | GeneralAntilles: am half asleep, there's a field at the top to set the status you're looking for, ignore me |
| 23:46.08 | derf | roope: Yes. That would be the width of the window. |
| 23:46.55 | lcuk | user browsers should allow a floating customizable right margin for the user (like wordpad has - no wrap, to window, or to margin) |
| 23:46.57 | roope | derf: no. it's about 12 words per line. or about 35 ems. |
| 23:47.07 | derf | roope: Wrong. |
| 23:47.18 | GeneralAntilles | derf, not by a justifiable amount for most designs. |
| 23:47.26 | roope | derf: http://www.maxdesign.com.au/presentation/em/ |
| 23:47.32 | lardman_ | night all |
| 23:47.40 | roope | f a well-designed column of text, or about 12 words per line. Research shows that reading slows and retention rates fall as line length begins to exceed the ideal width, because the reader then needs to use the muscles of the eye and neck to track from the end of one line to the beginning of the next line. |
| 23:47.40 | lcuk | give the user the choice :) you are both right in the right environment |
| 23:47.45 | roope | To quote the relevant part. |
| 23:47.59 | GeneralAntilles | roope, in this case, it's a site that requires me to scroll on the tablet because the min-width is 1024 |
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| 23:48.09 | GeneralAntilles | Why? No reason. It's entirely arbitrary. |
| 23:48.12 | roope | generalantilles: well, of course that's then badly designed. |
| 23:48.20 | lcuk | roope, but that does not take into account distanct from the screen |
| 23:48.38 | lcuk | a user with good eyes and a screen further away still doesnt need to move his head |
| 23:48.45 | GeneralAntilles | roope, this is why we have max- and min-width. |
| 23:48.59 | lcuk | that is for book reading at a fixed "normal" reading distance |
| 23:49.09 | roope | Well yes, that's basically a rule used in book typography. |
| 23:49.12 | GeneralAntilles | Set min-width to the size just before the page starts breaking and max to keep text lines from getting too long. |
| 23:49.17 | lcuk | which incidentally is perfect for the tablets ;) |
| 23:49.17 | derf | roope: If I want the line shorter, I'll use smaller windows. |
| 23:49.26 | derf | The key words in that sentence are "I". |
| 23:49.28 | roope | generalantilles: yes, i agree with that. |
| 23:49.40 | GeneralAntilles | I'm with derf, though, for the most part. |
| 23:49.53 | roope | Most people don't bother to resize their windows, they keep them maximized. |
| 23:49.56 | GeneralAntilles | If you're making your browser window so wide that you can't read text, that's not the web designers fault. |
| 23:50.05 | derf | roope: Most people are idiots. |
| 23:50.10 | roope | It's lazy design work, leaving the blame up to the user. |
| 23:50.17 | roope | derf: most people are lazy. |
| 23:50.21 | lcuk | please for the love of god dont turn this into a dpad discussion :P give the users the option |
| 23:50.40 | roope | I think there's a difference between lazy and being an idiot. |
| 23:50.55 | roope | Lazyness is a good principle, it saves mental energy. |
| 23:51.03 | derf | I agree. I don't think either of us is incorrect in our assessments, however. |
| 23:51.23 | lcuk | roope, did you see the "wall of widgets" i rendered from the nokia competition |
| 23:51.31 | lcuk | its like a whole page of web ads |
| 23:51.34 | derf | I don't "resize" my browser windows. I keep them at one size. That size is not fullscreen. |
| 23:52.10 | GeneralAntilles | A failure of Windows perhaps |
| 23:52.31 | GeneralAntilles | frequently forgets exactly how godawful it is and exactly how many people use it. |
| 23:52.59 | lcuk | windows xp is a really good window manager |
| 23:53.04 | roope | I have a mac at work and windows at home. It's good to know what people are using. |
| 23:53.11 | GeneralAntilles | "Well I know who I'm not voting for" seems to have replaced useful discussion for me. <_< |
| 23:53.16 | roope | Again, reusing known metaphors when possible. |
| 23:53.33 | GeneralAntilles | roope, no, mostly it just makes me depressed. :D |
| 23:53.39 | lcuk | for a keyboard mouse ui xp is second to none |
| 23:53.43 | lcuk | ;) |
| 23:53.44 | benson[away] | vomits at thought of XP being a good WM. :p |
| 23:53.50 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, bullshit. |
| 23:54.04 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, for a UI lcuk is experienced with, XP is second to none. |
| 23:54.05 | roope | XP is rather good. I prefer it slightly over macosx. |
| 23:54.06 | lcuk | its faster and smoother than anything else |
| 23:54.15 | benson[away] | I'm a recent wmii convert. |
| 23:54.17 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, hardly, you're just more familiar with it than anything else. |
| 23:54.19 | roope | although now the mac app window logic is slowly growing on me. |
| 23:54.27 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I can apply the same logic to OS X. |
| 23:54.30 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, i have ubuntu on my laptop |
| 23:54.35 | GeneralAntilles | I'm much more productive in it than Windows. |
| 23:54.47 | GeneralAntilles | and that argument would have just as much validity. ;) |
| 23:54.57 | lcuk | dont get me wrong, everytime i have an admin problem i think in the linux way now - it makes more sense |
| 23:55.10 | GeneralAntilles | Generally speaking, familiarity is more important than anything else about the UI. |
| 23:55.21 | lcuk | but theres too many things which dont quite work in ubuntu |
| 23:55.24 | lcuk | or kde |
| 23:55.31 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, Ubuntu is a distribution |
| 23:55.36 | GeneralAntilles | Not a UI |
| 23:55.44 | lcuk | metacity then or whatever it is |
| 23:55.51 | lcuk | windows is also a distro ;) |
| 23:56.08 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, you can't separate the Windows UI from the Windows "distro" |
| 23:56.16 | *** join/#maemo secureendpoints (i=chatzill@99.sub-70-193-100.myvzw.com) |
| 23:56.46 | roope | generalantilles: Well, there's Aero and then the classic. |
| 23:56.46 | roope | They're quite different. |
| 23:56.46 | lcuk | no, but of all the window managers for mouse i have ever used, xp is the nicest :) |
| 23:56.46 | benson[away] | OK, maybe I'd grant that GNOME is as bad as XP; I haven't used KDE in ages. |
| 23:56.51 | benson[away] | But GNOME is pathetic. |
| 23:57.09 | GeneralAntilles | roope, lcuk, I still maintain that that has more to do with familiarity than anything else. :) |
| 23:57.20 | GeneralAntilles | s/roope, // |
| 23:57.42 | lcuk | possible gen, the biggest killer is - i *HATE* using any of them with touch |
| 23:57.49 | GeneralAntilles | roope, "Ubuntu" can mean any number of window managers, the selection for "Windows" is much more limited. |
| 23:57.56 | lcuk | i hate having to waste 90% of my screen |
| 23:58.04 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, well, duh, they're not designed for that. |
| 23:58.06 | roope | generalantilles: well, that's true. but there is more than one. :) |
| 23:58.12 | lcuk | no gen :) but what is |
| 23:58.35 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, iPhone/iPod Touch |
| 23:58.39 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, Maemo, for the most part. |
| 23:59.06 | roope | Fremantle will fix... plenty of it. Harmattan will fix just about everything else left. |
| 23:59.26 | GeneralAntilles | roope, let's hope. ;) |
| 23:59.43 | lcuk | :) liqbase runs nicely on my tablet. i think i'll have my nervana before harmattan |
| 23:59.45 | roope | Well, I tend to know this. ;) |
