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| 00:00.58 | lcuk | johnx, ive seen one of those eating a whole beetle car |
| 00:01.28 | johnx | eep. just looks so damn easy to fall into |
| 00:02.08 | lcuk | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=tPDLX0koXFs |
| 00:03.29 | johnx | it ate that couch in one go |
| 00:04.45 | johnx | it does take apart cars rather a lot quicker than the last time I did... |
| 00:06.08 | lcuk | heh yeah |
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| 00:06.51 | johnx | and I still had plenty of respect for how much quicker a sawzall and a cut-off wheel makes things... |
| 00:08.19 | lcuk | sawzall would appear to have its own issues so i heard, something about moisture and conductivity of different woods triggering |
| 00:08.50 | johnx | luckily the car we were cutting in half was made of metal |
| 00:09.08 | lcuk | wicked, what did you do with the 2 halves? |
| 00:09.18 | johnx | took it to a dump :) |
| 00:09.30 | johnx | s/it/them/ |
| 00:09.55 | lcuk | did you try and drive the front half :D |
| 00:10.18 | johnx | the whole reason we didn't drive it to the dump is that it was already undriveable :/ |
| 00:10.40 | lcuk | boo |
| 00:10.44 | timeless | looks aroudn |
| 00:10.45 | benson | Yeah, but maybe with less weight, you could get it going... :p |
| 00:10.52 | johnx | heh |
| 00:11.07 | johnx | yeah, boo to my friend for crashing it after I helped him get it working all nice :| |
| 00:12.22 | timeless | "Not available while Bluetooth set off" |
| 00:12.42 | timeless | anyone have any ideas who one could improve that message? |
| 00:12.47 | timeless | s/who/how/ |
| 00:12.48 | johnx | Someone set us off the bluetooth! |
| 00:13.09 | johnx | just s/set/is/ |
| 00:13.36 | GeneralAntilles | What isn't available? |
| 00:13.42 | johnx | bluetooth? |
| 00:13.54 | johnx | true love? |
| 00:14.39 | GeneralAntilles | 10 Ways to True Love Through vCards? |
| 00:15.00 | johnx | heh...once a certain company improves vCard import ... |
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| 00:15.22 | GeneralAntilles | Gotta get up early and drive tomorrow. |
| 00:15.25 | GeneralAntilles | really should sleep. . . . |
| 00:15.39 | johnx | gah. me too |
| 00:15.43 | johnx | 9:15AM O_o |
| 00:16.00 | johnx | I'm even off my b0rken night-shift schedule |
| 00:17.49 | benson | ~lart morning for coming too early |
| 00:17.49 | infobot | whips out his power stapler and staples morning's foot to the floor for coming too early |
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| 00:20.43 | sisto | are there pictures of Nokia's newest tablet already? |
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| 00:20.57 | sisto | is impatient |
| 00:21.02 | johnx | nope :P |
| 00:21.24 | sisto | :| |
| 00:22.07 | johnx | patience. if you saw the alpha release of their SDK you'd know you wouldn't have a version of Maemo to run on it yet anyways |
| 00:23.15 | sisto | i haven't |
| 00:23.29 | sisto | I guess it sucks? |
| 00:23.40 | benson | But we're ahead of Moblin! |
| 00:23.46 | johnx | No. it doesn't 'suck.' It's just not ready |
| 00:23.50 | benson | Not really, just not done. |
| 00:24.01 | johnx | at this point it's really too early to say 'sucks' or 'awesome' :) |
| 00:24.10 | sisto | what about the Pandora? |
| 00:24.15 | sisto | is it real? |
| 00:24.29 | johnx | there's a video of a prototype actually running |
| 00:24.51 | johnx | I don't know if that's real enough for all of the ... doubters, but I'm happy |
| 00:25.18 | sisto | there are no launch dates yet, right? |
| 00:25.24 | johnx | nope |
| 00:25.37 | johnx | but it'll be sooner than the next thing from Nokia almost certainly |
| 00:25.45 | sisto | I wonder how can people trust enough to pre-order it |
| 00:25.50 | johnx | heh |
| 00:25.55 | johnx | preordered |
| 00:26.06 | benson | Well, aside from "before the end of the year", where the year was 2008. |
| 00:26.11 | sisto | I'm sure it's ok though |
| 00:26.54 | sisto | I guess it was unofficially postponed? haha |
| 00:26.55 | johnx | eh. I kinda figured it would be delayed at least a bit when I preordered |
| 00:27.09 | benson | I'd say the odds are pretty good for it, but there's some chance they go belly-up. |
| 00:27.15 | timeless | what did you preorder? |
| 00:27.23 | johnx | a pandora |
| 00:27.26 | benson | P&|A |
| 00:27.48 | johnx | I didn't bet on it being delayed this much, but I'm willing to make a bet on a small company every once in a while |
| 00:27.57 | benson | I alternately kick and thank myself for not ordering. |
| 00:28.04 | sisto | are they the same people that did the gp2x? |
| 00:29.02 | GAN800 | benson, and November, and August, and July, and April. :P |
| 00:29.12 | johnx | sisto, I think the answer is something like "not really" |
| 00:29.19 | johnx | but they're connected to the gp2x guys |
| 00:29.44 | johnx | GAN800, don't forget that the original plan was to launch by the end of summer 2007 or so with entirely different hardware :) |
| 00:30.09 | GAN800 | johnx, right. ;) |
| 00:30.19 | johnx | anyways, if my bet pans out and they can make these sustainably and I get nice open hardware to play with eventually I'll be happy |
| 00:30.22 | GAN800 | That one we can blame squarely on TI, though. |
| 00:30.30 | sisto | gp2x is nice but I would miss the kboard |
| 00:30.49 | johnx | the gp2x is sloooow |
| 00:31.18 | sisto | johnx: is it? I was talking generally, I have never tried one |
| 00:31.34 | sisto | I bet 200mhz is slow |
| 00:31.39 | GAN800 | notices he has an uncashed paycheck. . . . |
| 00:31.41 | johnx | me neither, but from what I hear and from the specs it's just not fast |
| 00:31.43 | sisto | so I trust you |
| 00:32.09 | sisto | hmmm... I guess you should forget about snes emulation??? |
| 00:32.10 | johnx | and still the devs did lots of impressive optimizations. hopefully they don't get lazy now that they have an omap3 to play with :) |
| 00:32.22 | GAN800 | Is buying an N810 mostly because I want to own every tablet a good enough reason? |
| 00:32.33 | johnx | sisto, on the gp2x it's kinda hit-or-miss I believe |
| 00:32.46 | johnx | GAN800, uhm? not really :P |
| 00:32.57 | sisto | GAN800: sounds right to me. that's what collectionists do |
| 00:33.00 | GAN800 | johnx, an interesting trend to watch as hardware gets more powerful |
| 00:33.27 | benson | GAN800: If you wait a year, they'll be even cheaper... |
| 00:33.34 | johnx | GAN800, based on the people who are interested I think they'll be interested in pushing the limits this time too |
| 00:33.38 | GAN800 | There's a small chance it may become my primary device. |
| 00:33.40 | benson | That's what I'm telling myself, anhow. |
| 00:33.41 | sisto | sorry that didn't sound like an english word |
| 00:33.55 | GAN800 | benson, is the N800? ;) |
| 00:34.15 | johnx | sisto, quite alright. you probably wanted collectors :) ... but I like collectionists better |
| 00:34.24 | lcuk | will work as hard as possible to make the ui sliq |
| 00:34.48 | benson | GAN800: Yes. Practically all units for sale now are used, hence cheaper. |
| 00:34.59 | GAN800 | I might give this N800 to a friend. . . . |
| 00:35.16 | GAN800 | benson, buy not really by all that much |
| 00:35.16 | sisto | I guess as hardware advances, people tend to be lazier towards optimization |
| 00:35.23 | lardman | aargh, I've broken my code somehow |
| 00:35.30 | sisto | but on consoles it's the opposite I think |
| 00:35.31 | GAN800 | Maybe $150 versus buy's $190 |
| 00:35.50 | lcuk | sisto, it never used to be |
| 00:36.00 | lcuk | every console brought out until the console was like computers |
| 00:36.06 | lcuk | wii ^ |
| 00:36.10 | lcuk | ie increasing speed etc |
| 00:36.19 | lcuk | the wii reversed that trend :) |
| 00:36.36 | johnx | the wii is a solidly more than 2x as fast as the cube |
| 00:36.54 | lcuk | but more than 7000000 times slower than the competition |
| 00:37.10 | johnx | and still selling about a hojillion times as many units :) |
| 00:37.19 | lcuk | sorry then - top dog consoles that everyone must have |
| 00:37.24 | benson | Well, FWIW, I'd buy an N810 right now if it was $40 cheaper. A year from now, I may well not... |
| 00:37.28 | sisto | but they optimize it to the limit |
| 00:37.36 | lcuk | sisto, :) nothing wrong with that |
| 00:37.50 | johnx | yup, and everyone already knows how to optimize stuff for the wii |
| 00:37.57 | sisto | lcuk: I know... what is wrong is Windows though |
| 00:38.05 | johnx | apparently the PS3 is a real PITA, if half of what I read is true |
| 00:38.07 | sisto | Vista :P |
| 00:38.38 | lcuk | sisto, lots. but no, not vista, but same is true in linux gnome etc. |
| 00:38.44 | sisto | benson: what price did you find it at? |
| 00:39.01 | benson | may have dodged spending $250 or so on a monitor, so I have the cash... |
| 00:39.10 | benson | It _is_ tempting. |
| 00:39.10 | johnx | heh. what's wrong is that MS didn't properly abstract their UI layer and so switching to a composited UI caused lots of problems. Though I honestly don't understand the insane memory usage |
| 00:39.33 | lcuk | current windowing GUIs are geared towards mouse and they work really well. however when you get a touchscreen over 90% of the area is unusable and not touchable to the expected effect. something like liqbase uses 99% of the screen for active interaction and lets you touch where you want. |
| 00:39.34 | benson | sisto: I got the first one at ~$205 |
| 00:39.57 | sisto | benson: where? |
| 00:39.57 | benson | Second one was ~190, I think |
| 00:40.14 | sisto | sisto: I will buy one in February when I travel to the US |
| 00:40.18 | benson | And third one was part of a bundle. |
| 00:40.21 | sisto | ha |
| 00:40.37 | sisto | lowest I found it was 250 |
| 00:40.43 | benson | Not sure we're talking the same thing? I'm talking N800s, about a year ago. |
| 00:40.52 | benson | I don't have an N810 yet. |
| 00:40.54 | sisto | n810 |
| 00:40.57 | sisto | ok |
| 00:40.59 | johnx | picked mine up for ~$260 in march '07 |
| 00:41.17 | benson | N810 are $220 on buy.com now. |
| 00:41.19 | johnx | best thing that compUSA ever did for me is go out of business and have a liquidation sale :) |
| 00:41.27 | sisto | benson: I guess you're not a fan of the n810? |
| 00:41.59 | benson | I kinda like the notion of the slideout keyboard, but it's mixed with enough bad changes... |
| 00:42.18 | benson | IDK, maybe I'd like it better if I had one. |
| 00:42.39 | lcuk | you can get a 2nd slot in your n810 now |
| 00:42.47 | lcuk | best of both :) |
| 00:42.49 | sisto | benson: what is worse on the n810 besides having no FM radio and no SD card slots? |
| 00:42.55 | benson | A 2nd slot, USB or what? |
| 00:42.59 | lcuk | no |
| 00:43.12 | benson | D-pad in wrong place. |
| 00:43.14 | lcuk | i think its a second |
| 00:43.24 | lcuk | might be wayyyyy off, lemme check - ive always assumed it was second |
| 00:43.36 | benson | And the SD slot's a big factor, although that's mitigated by craves1's adapter. |
| 00:43.48 | sisto | benson: I guess they could have moved the screen a bit to the right and placed the d-pad on the left, right? |
| 00:43.55 | lcuk | heh benson yeah :$ its craves1's |
| 00:44.03 | lcuk | its not a second one - its a bigger card then |
| 00:44.07 | lcuk | got mixed up |
| 00:44.10 | sisto | benson: adapter? |
| 00:44.17 | benson | Which goes in the miniSD slot and runs a full SD under the back panel. |
| 00:44.23 | johnx | mmm...one thing I'd love in an N810 is using that 3600mAh battery |
| 00:44.57 | lcuk | if you could run your n8x0 at pda resolution all day, how long would it last |
| 00:44.58 | benson | Yeah, that's just it. I'd have to buy craves1's adapter, and the 3.6Ah battery, too. |
| 00:44.59 | sisto | this? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=254332 |
| 00:45.00 | lcuk | normal battery |
| 00:45.24 | benson | I'm running a 3.6Ah in my N800 sometimes. :p |
| 00:45.26 | johnx | lcuk, what? |
| 00:45.44 | lcuk | running n8x0 at lower resolution, im just pondering the runtime |
| 00:45.50 | johnx | won't do anything |
| 00:45.59 | lcuk | i remember my loox had a much bigger battery |
| 00:46.12 | johnx | power usage goes something like: CPU, wifi, backlight, |
| 00:46.13 | lcuk | ahh its brightness of the screen in part that does it |
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| 00:47.02 | lcuk | is tired its been quite an evening |
| 00:48.55 | sisto | I guess a microsd will be enaugh for me... I just need to download some podcasts and movies. 8 gb will be enaugh |
| 00:49.07 | Mousey | 16gb microsd works great in n810 |
| 00:49.24 | sisto | Mousey: that too |
| 00:49.57 | benson | Yeah, but last I looked, 16GB microSD are quite spendy, and only Class 4. |
| 00:50.03 | Mousey | there's a 3600 mAh battery? |
| 00:50.18 | Mousey | blah, i got class 2, it's not like the device is gonna keep up with class 4 speed anyway |
| 00:50.23 | sisto | are there any games that use the 3d hardware on the n810? I read the video memory can't drive the screen on full resolution when using 3d mode, so you have to crop it :( |
| 00:50.24 | benson | Where fast 16GB full-size SD are affordable. |
| 00:50.34 | benson | Yeah, it will. |
| 00:50.43 | Mousey | if i had full size SD, i'd get 32GB |
| 00:51.13 | benson | SDs slow down as they get rewritten, the rating is nly on a fresh card. |
| 00:52.05 | sisto | benson: I have had my 2gb sd card for about 3 or 4 years now with constant writing on it and it has yet to fail me |
| 00:52.13 | benson | And I'm pretty sure I've seen >4 MB/s speeds here, though I'm not sure. I'm not copying big files often. |
| 00:52.58 | lcuk | gnite folks |
| 00:53.27 | lardman | night all |
| 00:53.28 | sisto | lcuk: bnite |
| 00:53.32 | benson | Mousey: Yes, mugen makes 3.6Ah batteries for N810, and for E61. |
| 00:53.32 | sisto | g |
| 00:53.57 | Mousey | oooh, the samurai from samurai champloo makes batteries now? |
| 00:54.05 | benson | E61 is same battery as 770/N800, but the battery cover doesn't fit, of course. |
| 00:54.07 | Mousey | googles |
| 00:54.24 | benson | It lasts like crazy, though. :D |
| 00:54.59 | timeless | hey |
| 00:55.11 | timeless | if i take a mobile device into a room |
| 00:55.18 | timeless | and there's another mobile device in the room |
| 00:55.26 | timeless | and we want to share files w/o using bluetooth |
| 00:55.31 | timeless | but we want to use a radio |
| 00:55.38 | timeless | and share the files directly w/o a third device |
| 00:55.48 | timeless | how do you spell that system? :) |
| 00:56.04 | Mousey | eieio! |
| 00:56.05 | benson | ad-hoc WiFi? |
| 00:56.10 | timeless | benson: thanks |
| 00:56.19 | timeless | that's precisely the spelling i was expecting |
| 00:56.22 | timeless | but i wanted confirmation |
| 00:56.39 | timeless | ponders |
| 00:56.49 | timeless | wonders what the heck a 'Duration:' is |
| 00:56.59 | benson | It's from two separate latin words, so "ad hoc WiFi" would be acceptable, but nobody does. |
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| 00:57.19 | timeless | benson: obviously nobody include nokia |
| 00:57.26 | timeless | which is correct, it's a nobody :) |
| 00:57.29 | timeless | kicks nokia |
| 00:57.38 | timeless | (strings changed locally) |
| 00:57.58 | timeless | wodners what 'Internet connection' is |
| 00:58.04 | timeless | s/wodners/wonders/ |
| 00:58.21 | timeless | (it's a string somewhere in the n800/n810, i'm not sure i want to hunt for it) |
| 00:58.52 | timeless | grumbles |
| 00:59.02 | timeless | "No ongoing connection to phone" |
| 01:00.34 | sisto | timeless: i don't think it's called ad-hoc if you use bluetooth. unless you were talking about wifi |
| 01:00.49 | timeless | sisto: read my question more carefully |
| 01:01.02 | sisto | timeless: haha ok |
| 01:01.19 | timeless | (fwiw, someone could have been annoying and mentioned irda) |
| 01:01.30 | timeless | but i got the answer i wanted :) |
| 01:01.41 | johnx | heh...IRDA is a reality for me. it's how I get pics off my phone onto my zaurus :) |
| 01:01.59 | timeless | hey, irda is how i send files from my laptop to my phone |
| 01:02.03 | johnx | also, the linux command line 'wireless-tools' call it ad-hoc as well |
| 01:02.22 | benson | I thought of saying "RDS", what with the RX-51... |
| 01:02.27 | johnx | every phone here has irda. it's wonderful for exchanging phone numbers |
| 01:02.57 | timeless | benson: i'm dealing w/ diablo :) |
| 01:03.59 | timeless | cries |
| 01:04.05 | timeless | "Phone selecting 1/4: Welcome" |
| 01:04.48 | johnx | timeless, look. it could be worse. http://www.boingboing.net/2009/01/27/suburban-japan-4.html |
| 01:04.50 | sisto | does the n810 come with diablo from the factory? |
| 01:05.18 | johnx | sisto, generally no I believe |
| 01:07.19 | timeless | johnx: our intranet has a picture: |
| 01:07.21 | timeless | Nokia |
| 01:07.26 | timeless | connocting poopie |
| 01:08.36 | johnx | but you have to keep in mind: This is not some isolated incident...though to be fair, I think they might be trying to go for engrish-loving tourist market |
| 01:09.35 | timeless | yeah, see.. |
| 01:09.39 | timeless | there's a difference |
| 01:09.49 | timeless | i want my friends and family in the US to buy my Nokia product |
| 01:09.55 | timeless | which means the English needs to be good |
| 01:09.59 | johnx | but the things that get out on shelves here are like the things that only get to the proofreaders inside Nokia |
| 01:10.02 | timeless | and it needs to be American |
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| 01:10.11 | timeless | shipping colour and other britishisms... |
| 01:10.43 | johnx | I think you're doing it backwards: Americans will pay lots of cash to *import* things with Japanese English on them |
| 01:10.54 | timeless | really |
| 01:10.55 | timeless | ? |
| 01:11.10 | johnx | I'm sure engrish.com is doing a brisk trade |
| 01:12.42 | timeless | i could easily contribute many items from Finnish restaurants |
| 01:12.52 | timeless | so could my italian coworkers |
| 01:13.45 | timeless | http://www.engrish.com//wp-content/uploads/2009/01/sweet-as-a-naughty-girl.jpg |
| 01:13.47 | timeless | frowns |
| 01:13.54 | timeless | doesn't get it |
| 01:14.10 | timeless | are sweet and bold swapped? |
| 01:14.25 | johnx | it's just nonsense |
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| 01:16.01 | johnx | anyways, I could kvetch about this stuff all morning, but I need to get some sleep :) |
| 01:16.02 | johnx | 'night all |
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| 01:17.30 | b-man | g'night johnx |
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| 01:31.58 | Mousey | who's even heard of shop.eten.hu |
| 01:32.12 | Mousey | only place i can find the 3600 mAh mugen battery for n810 |
| 01:32.16 | benson | Mousey: I have. |
| 01:32.27 | benson | I bought my N800 battery there. |
| 01:32.36 | Mousey | what country are you in? |
| 01:32.42 | benson | USA |
| 01:33.05 | Mousey | i wish there was an external battery charger =( |
| 01:33.42 | ShadowJK | What do you mean by external battery charger? |
| 01:33.57 | Mousey | for n810 batteries |
| 01:33.59 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 01:34.21 | ShadowJK | Oh right. |
| 01:34.53 | ShadowJK | and nokia seems to have axed DC-1 :-( |
| 01:37.22 | Mousey | meh |
| 01:56.10 | sisto | Mousey: http://cgi.ebay.com/Battery-Charger-For-Nokia-E61i-E90-E90i-N810-BP-4L_W0QQitemZ200293463836QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPDA_Accessories?hash=item200293463836&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A1|65%3A12|39%3A2|240%3A1318 |
| 01:56.17 | sisto | http://cgi.ebay.com/Battery-Charger-for-NOKIA-E61i-E90-E90i-N810-810-BP-4L_W0QQitemZ300268084259QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPDA_Accessories?hash=item300268084259&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A1|65%3A12|39%3A2|240%3A1318 |
| 01:56.22 | sisto | http://cgi.ebay.com/BATTERY-CHARGER-FOR-NOKIA-BP-4L-E61i-E63-E71-E90-N810_W0QQitemZ330289776423QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPDA_Accessories?hash=item330289776423&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A1|65%3A12|39%3A2|240%3A1318 |
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| 01:57.20 | Mousey | danke |
| 01:58.28 | sisto | I bought one of those for my camera last year |
| 01:58.35 | sisto | directly from hong kong :| |
| 01:58.49 | sisto | it works though |
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| 02:23.37 | MaceN800 | hi |
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| 02:43.49 | LinuxHack3r | So any idea why gconf-editor is not showing up in my maemo extras? |
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| 02:47.21 | GeneralAntilles | I'm amazed at the ignorance of the RX-51 on -developers. |
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| 02:48.16 | GeneralAntilles | LinuxHack3r, it's only in Extras-devel for the moment. |
| 02:48.21 | GeneralAntilles | There's a .install here: |
| 02:48.22 | GeneralAntilles | ~extras |
| 02:48.23 | infobot | methinks extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras |
| 02:49.10 | LinuxHack3r | GeneralAntilles: I don't understand... |
| 02:49.49 | GeneralAntilles | LinuxHack3r, you know how Debian's repositories are broken up into several stability levels? |
| 02:49.57 | GeneralAntilles | Well, Extras is broken up into two: Extras and Extras-devel. |
| 02:50.12 | LinuxHack3r | GeneralAntilles: And I need the extras-devel! |
| 02:50.19 | GeneralAntilles | gconf-editor has not yet been promoted to Extras |
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| 02:51.18 | LinuxHack3r | GeneralAntilles: But it is entirely safe..right? |
| 02:51.28 | GeneralAntilles | Not all packages are safe, no. |
| 02:51.33 | GeneralAntilles | So I recommend not leaving it enabled |
| 02:51.41 | GeneralAntilles | Just grab gconf-editor then disable the repository. |
| 02:52.06 | LinuxHack3r | GeneralAntilles: Oh...and it won't remove the package will it... |
| 02:53.22 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 02:54.59 | LinuxHack3r | GeneralAntilles: I've only had this this thing for a few days...my n810 that is...after I click the link...I cannot hit open..and if I do...it tells me"not enough free memory on local disk for downloading". Is that talking about the 256 or the 2gb internal? |
| 02:55.21 | GeneralAntilles | Delete the random crap from in MyDocs |
| 02:55.26 | GeneralAntilles | The bundled movies and documentation |
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| 02:56.21 | LinuxHack3r | GeneralAntilles: Oh shoot..just rememberred that accidental command I ran at school today...I've already deleted the mydocs...but accidently mv'd some stuff somewhere to somewhere. Let me look into that. |
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| 03:00.04 | Jucato | new n810 here as well. :) |
| 03:01.26 | Jucato | I'm always paranoid that I'll immediately use up the 256mb space (only got around 70mb left) |
| 03:01.39 | GeneralAntilles | ~boot-sd |
| 03:01.39 | infobot | methinks boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card |
| 03:02.54 | Jucato | hm.. I'm getting a timeout error... probably from my end though... |
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| 03:03.25 | Jucato | but 70mb is probably still a long way to go :) |
| 03:03.37 | Jucato | (but then I have a lot of things in mind :D) |
| 03:05.53 | Jucato | is it possible to use the internal 2GB memory for that though? |
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| 03:11.27 | LinuxHack3r | GeneralAntilles: In terms of the filesytem from a terminal...where should I be looking to free up files? mmc1 is the 8GB card I believe...isn't it? It sould be free. So where else? |
| 03:14.46 | LinuxHack3r | GeneralAntilles: Helps! Where should I clean up space? |
| 03:16.59 | sisto | LinuxHack3r: rm / -rf |
| 03:17.04 | sisto | LinuxHack3r: kidding!!! |
| 03:17.14 | LinuxHack3r | sisto: It works! |
| 03:17.22 | sisto | LinuxHack3r: haha |
| 03:17.24 | LinuxHack3r | Oh wait...now the screen is blank. |
| 03:17.30 | LinuxHack3r | It won't turn on! |
| 03:17.36 | LinuxHack3r | This sucks. ;) |
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| 03:21.08 | sisto | LinuxHack3r: i think this is what you're looking for: http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card |
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| 03:21.39 | sisto | "... Why would we want to boot from a flash card? * For more space to install applications. ...." |
| 03:21.43 | LinuxHack3r | Not exactly..but I may have to do that later. Right now I am trying to find out where..in the File Manager, Nokia N810 is actually stored. |
| 03:21.56 | LinuxHack3r | where is the "Nokia N810" file storage area? |
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| 03:24.59 | Jucato | would want to permanently swap the roles of the 256mb and the internal 2gb memory... |
| 03:25.48 | josh_949 | hi room |
| 03:26.05 | Jucato | looks around |
| 03:26.33 | josh_949 | Do ya'll think the n900 will be released febuary 16th? |
| 03:26.43 | LinuxHack3r | I love this device to death...but I sorta feel Nokia bombed when it came to the storage. Seriously...for the price...stick ONE 16GB card inside or something...I hate having to deal with "three" cards so to say. |
| 03:27.01 | LinuxHack3r | josh_949: If so...I wonder how much it'll cost? I bet I cannot pick one of those up for 250! |
| 03:27.16 | Jucato | gah!and I just bought my n810 6 days ago! :( |
| 03:27.33 | Jucato | (after a year of waiting...) |
| 03:27.37 | josh_949 | tabletblog.com and the price drops say it will be released very soon |
| 03:28.01 | LinuxHack3r | Jucato: i BOUGHT it about a good week or so ago...ask sisto...but I just got it monday. |
| 03:28.12 | benson | LinuxHack3r: The File manager shows things in MyDocs directory and below. |
| 03:28.13 | josh_949 | I miss my n810.... |
| 03:28.29 | josh_949 | I sold it to get my eee pc 1002ha im using |
| 03:28.54 | LinuxHack3r | benson: Where is the MyDocs directory located in the filesystem? |
| 03:29.04 | josh_949 | um |
| 03:29.08 | Jucato | LinuxHack3r, hehe almost same as me... but I had a longer wait... |
| 03:29.10 | benson | josh_949: Define "released"; we may get an announcement then, but produve is still a way out. |
| 03:29.19 | josh_949 | I think the ffolder is hidden |
| 03:29.22 | benson | LinuxHack3r: /home/user/MyDocs |
| 03:29.51 | josh_949 | is anyone on an n810? |
| 03:29.51 | benson | It's not hidden, though some of the subfolders are. |
| 03:29.57 | josh_949 | oh ok |
| 03:30.25 | josh_949 | is anyone on an n810? |
| 03:30.33 | benson | Like .documents is the "Documents" folder, but by making it hidden, they can fake it in with a localized name. |
| 03:30.33 | LinuxHack3r | benson: That might be my problem...I don't have a /home/user/MyDocs. Like I said...one failed command screwed something minor up. |
| 03:30.40 | Jucato | but when you go to ~/MyDocs in the terminal and do ls, it's emptyh :) |
| 03:30.41 | LinuxHack3r | josh_949: Right now?/ |
| 03:30.48 | josh_949 | yea |
| 03:30.55 | LinuxHack3r | Jucato: go into it and do ls .* |
| 03:30.59 | benson | That's quite possibly the problem. |
| 03:31.01 | Jucato | josh_949, me... chatting |
| 03:31.09 | benson | Jucato: or ls -a |
| 03:31.19 | Jucato | LinuxHack3r, er... hidden dirs |
| 03:31.25 | sisto | Jucato: see the bright side, you got the n810 for half or third the price the n900 will come out with |
| 03:31.32 | Jucato | why didn't I think of that... |
| 03:31.48 | Jucato | sisto, guess again :) |
| 03:32.17 | benson | ? |
| 03:32.23 | Jucato | US$ 450 (converted) |
| 03:32.32 | benson | Ouch. |
| 03:32.41 | sisto | in that case you would get the n900 for 1000 or more |
| 03:32.50 | benson | Probably. |
| 03:33.00 | Jucato | it was a take it or leave it deal ;) |
| 03:33.21 | sisto | Jucato: where do you live? |
| 03:33.31 | sisto | (country) |
| 03:33.36 | benson | Hmmm... maybe you should have left it, if you know anyone in the US. |
| 03:33.42 | Jucato | there's only one store here that sells the N810, and thnat was after a year it was released! |
| 03:33.48 | benson | We have them for $220. |
| 03:33.49 | Jucato | Philippines |
| 03:34.23 | Jucato | ironically, this is Nokia country |
| 03:34.26 | LinuxHack3r | is there supposed to be anything majorly important in the mydocs? |
| 03:34.49 | Jucato | "Nokia" is the local term for "cellphone" |
| 03:34.51 | benson | pokes around in MyDocs |
| 03:35.20 | sisto | LinuxHack3r: no, just the kernel and other unimportant stuff |
| 03:35.41 | LinuxHack3r | Oh...who cares about popcorn? |
| 03:35.54 | Jucato | heh |
| 03:36.52 | benson | I think you should be fine with just MyDocs, MyDocs/.documents, MyDocs/.images, MyDocs/.games, MyDocs/.sounds, MyDocs/.videos, all empty directories... |
| 03:37.28 | sisto | benson: what are those for? |
| 03:37.31 | Jucato | I keep no files in there.I immediately move files to mmc1 or 2 |
| 03:37.49 | benson | That's the directory tree LinuxHack3r blew away. |
| 03:38.01 | LinuxHack3r | benson: indeed. |
| 03:38.20 | Jucato | hehe |
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| 03:50.40 | LinuxHack3r | benson: Haha! After creating a dir for each..it works! Wonder why something like that makes such a difference? |
| 03:51.15 | benson | Because it wanted to save a file there, and there was no there there? |
| 03:52.26 | LinuxHack3r | benson: But a new repo for meamo-extras? where would it go? documents, images, games, sounds, or videos? ;) |
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| 03:53.11 | sisto | LinuxHack3r: what wasn't working that started working when you created the dirs? |
| 03:53.12 | benson | No, the .install file that describes the repo. And I'm not sure, but probably documents... |
| 03:54.11 | Jucato | can't seem to see how to type angle brackets when the hardware keyboard is out.... |
| 03:54.23 | sisto | i'm looking at the n810 keyboard... there's no alt key, how do you zap X? |
| 03:54.34 | Mousey | Jucato: hit the Chr key |
| 03:54.47 | Mousey | you can map the [] {} keys to the bar under the terminal |
| 03:54.54 | Mousey | which i find is the easiest way |
| 03:55.07 | benson | sisto: you don't. |
| 03:55.08 | Jucato | Those are square brackets... |
| 03:55.25 | sisto | so there's no need for the alt key? |
| 03:55.32 | benson | It's not Xfree86/Xorg, it's a kdrive derivative. |
| 03:55.38 | Jucato | angle brackets = greater/less than |
| 03:55.45 | benson | It doesn't even know about Ctrl-Alt-Backspace |
| 03:55.53 | Jucato | no alt key... poor emacs... |
| 03:56.01 | Jucato | hides |
| 03:56.05 | Mousey | yah, no alt. never solved that one myself =) |
| 03:56.15 | Mousey | who uses emacs anyway? you only have 128M of ram! |
| 03:56.20 | Mousey | ducks! |
| 03:56.43 | benson | I don't have one, but I think some people may bind another key for alt? |
| 03:57.12 | benson | Anyway, can't emacs make do with meta? |
| 03:57.22 | Jucato | <> is only there for the stylus keyboard :;( |
| 03:57.27 | LinuxHack3r | So tells me...the modest mail app...where in the conf do I enable images in gconf-editor? |
| 03:57.29 | benson | So you can just hit Escape before the key? |
| 03:58.09 | benson | LinuxHack3r: http://www.flickr.com/photos/atmasphere/2613776979/ |
| 03:58.23 | sisto | benson: is there an escape key? |
| 03:58.41 | Jucato | heheh |
| 03:58.50 | benson | Yes, it's got the "back" curlicue arrow. |
| 03:59.00 | Jucato | esc button |
| 03:59.14 | Jucato | http://jucato.org/gallery/v/photos/dreams-come-true-2009/ |
| 03:59.18 | Jucato | oops... |
| 03:59.23 | Mousey | clicks! |
| 03:59.25 | Jucato | wrong window |
| 03:59.29 | Mousey | wee! |
| 03:59.40 | Jucato | hehe just n810 pics |
| 03:59.57 | Mousey | rats |
| 04:00.09 | LinuxHack3r | benson: Thanks...any other tips I may want to enable? |
| 04:01.14 | benson | Probably bunches, but I don't have any to the top of my head... |
| 04:02.19 | benson | Just cruise around gconf looking for interesting settings and change them. Just like the Windows registry. |
| 04:02.34 | Jucato | gah! no fair! |
| 04:02.58 | Jucato | even the finger kb has <> |
| 04:03.05 | benson | (Actually, gconf has documentation for many of the settings, so cruising around can be helpful. |
| 04:03.24 | benson | My N800 has <> on _all_ its keyboards. :p |
| 04:03.59 | Jucato | you don't have a thumbboard anyway! :P |
| 04:04.23 | benson | Actually, I do. A bluetooth thumbboard -- with <>! |
| 04:04.31 | Jucato | heh |
| 04:04.55 | benson | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.16685 |
| 04:05.05 | Jucato | cheater :P |
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| 04:05.39 | Jucato | now if only I had 2 more arms so that I could do laundry *and* chat... |
| 04:06.23 | LinuxHack3r | benson: I'll wait untill I get my other, first shipment from them. If I'm satisfied...that's an awfully cheap keyboard though. |
| 04:06.58 | LinuxHack3r | This is what I want: |
| 04:06.58 | LinuxHack3r | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.6443 |
| 04:06.59 | benson | They're pretty decent, I've ordered ~$100 worth from them previously. |
| 04:07.20 | benson | I actually put in a ~300 order with them last week. |
| 04:08.27 | Jucato | has yet to find one... |
| 04:08.35 | Mousey | ~300 |
| 04:08.38 | Mousey | rats |
| 04:08.41 | benson | That hardware's good, but not certain it's HID. |
| 04:09.07 | benson | I have a Palm-branded one that's the same, but HID only. |
| 04:09.32 | benson | That MSI one is either SPP only or SPP/HID, and I'm not sure which. |
| 04:09.48 | LinuxHack3r | I don't have a clue what you just said...and I'm a full time geek. |
| 04:10.05 | Jucato | I was planning on something crazy, like a rollable keyboard... |
| 04:10.13 | benson | They only mention SPP... but they don't always have complete (or accurate) descriptions. |
| 04:10.19 | Jucato | but remembered it was a usb kb... :( |
| 04:10.42 | benson | HID: Normal keyboard protocol, works straight up/ |
| 04:11.08 | benson | SPP: Used on some old palms, I think, but needs a daemon to interpret it. |
| 04:11.31 | benson | Works fine, but you have to install kbdd, which would be annoying. |
| 04:12.02 | benson | Jucato: USB keyboards work, lots of people use them. |
| 04:12.54 | benson | I occasionally use a USB (regular, not rollup) on my N800. |
| 04:12.55 | LinuxHack3r | Oh..so HID is good. |
| 04:13.05 | Jucato | benson, I will need to find a regular USB to micro USB converter first... |
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| 04:13.26 | benson | Yeah, HID is also good for other devices, laptops etc. |
| 04:14.16 | Jucato | ok so for bt keyboards, HID good, SPP not so much? |
| 04:14.36 | benson | Jucato: Shipping may be an issue, but you can get them from: |
| 04:14.40 | benson | http://www.electronicproductonline.com/catalog/default.php?cPath=35_67 |
| 04:15.21 | benson | Otherwise, you can do software switching, and just an A-female / A-Female adapper, + the cable that came with your N810. |
| 04:15.32 | Jucato | shipping is always the issue |
| 04:15.44 | Jucato | yeah I found one like that :) |
| 04:15.51 | Jucato | that's plan B |
| 04:17.36 | LinuxHack3r | benson: With the right adapter and I think I saw a program for the n810..I can plug flashdrives and card readers up to this thing can't i? |
| 04:17.39 | Jucato | although now I don't which is geekier: a foldable bt keyboard or a rollable usb one :) |
| 04:18.28 | rwhitby | electronicproductonline.com shipped an OTG adapter to Australia for reasonable shipping costs. |
| 04:18.29 | benson | LinuxHack3r: yeah, but no program. It just works. |
| 04:18.33 | LinuxHack3r | Jucato: I almost bought a rollable one at staples..but then I saw it was pst. |
| 04:18.51 | Jucato | pst? |
| 04:19.26 | benson | ps2? |
| 04:20.04 | LinuxHack3r | Jucato: Yes..it's an interface developed by the Soviets in the mid 60's to make data transfer as safe as possible...as the encryption protocol it uses hasn't been cracked to this day. |
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| 04:20.11 | Jucato | psx? |
| 04:20.14 | LinuxHack3r | Jucato: Of course I meant ps2. |
| 04:20.16 | Jucato | ah... |
| 04:20.31 | Jucato | heheh |
| 04:20.55 | LinuxHack3r | So where could I get a usb rollable? |
| 04:21.32 | Jucato | dunno from where you are.a local store here sells lots of them... |
| 04:21.41 | benson | http://www.dealextreme.com/products.dx/category.302 |
| 04:22.03 | benson | Or any local computer store may have them. |
| 04:22.05 | Jucato | reaches for his asthma meds... |
| 04:23.16 | Jucato | although it's not a priority now for me... |
| 04:23.35 | LinuxHack3r | Sweet! |
| 04:23.36 | Jucato | my priority is finding those damned angle brackets! |
| 04:23.45 | LinuxHack3r | Jucato: What? |
| 04:23.47 | benson | ? |
| 04:24.03 | benson | They're on both onscreen keyboards. |
| 04:25.03 | Mousey | so what's it mean when i run badblocks on my internal flash and it comes back with a list of them??? |
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| 04:25.30 | Jucato | i meant for the real kb :) |
| 04:25.55 | benson | IDK, maybe your internal flash has a list of bad blocks? |
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| 04:26.28 | Mousey | ;_; |
| 04:26.32 | Mousey | out of warranty! ;_; |
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| 04:26.38 | benson | Or maybe that badblocks doesn't work on MTD? |
| 04:26.43 | Mousey | oh, but it's not MTD |
| 04:26.46 | Mousey | that'd be / |
| 04:26.53 | Mousey | i mean the 2gb internal |
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| 04:27.54 | benson | Oh, then that just means Nokia's annoying for giving you onenand instead of an MMC slot. |
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| 04:28.12 | benson | But it shouldn't be a problem... |
| 04:28.14 | LinuxHack3r | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.3731 |
| 04:28.21 | LinuxHack3r | I like! |
| 04:28.47 | benson | Unless you have killer many, your filesystem should keep a bad block list and work fine. |
| 04:29.47 | benson | LinuxHack3r: I want (and have not found) a USB mini-B / mini-B cable for connecting N800 straight to stuff like that. |
| 04:30.11 | benson | But nobody seems to make one that I've seen... |
| 04:30.24 | benson | Especially retractable would be nice. |
| 04:30.28 | LinuxHack3r | benson: That's not right . Perhaps you could custom make one? |
| 04:31.01 | benson | Probably, but not retractable, or only with great difficulty. |
| 04:31.15 | LinuxHack3r | That's true. |
| 04:32.41 | benson | electronicproductonline has pre-wired mini-B OTG pigtails for retrofitting devices, but they're regular round cable, and retractable needs flat. |
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| 04:33.12 | Jucato | heh that's my 2nd kb choice.but only if it has bt heheh |
| 04:33.50 | Jucato | otherwise if it's usb, I'd rather go rollable |
| 04:34.37 | benson | But it's sold out. When dealextreme products go "temporarily sold out", they often don't come back... |
| 04:34.44 | LinuxHack3r | benson: Here's a short version of what you want! http://www.trianglelaptops.com/p-459-new-usb-adapter-type-b-male-b-male-ad-ubbbb-mm.aspx |
| 04:34.57 | benson | And the name brand (Targus) version is expensive. |
| 04:35.38 | benson | LinuxHack3r: That looks like fullsize B, the squareish ones. |
| 04:35.42 | benson | Not miniB |
| 04:35.45 | LinuxHack3r | Oh...forgive me. |
| 04:36.04 | LinuxHack3r | USB is one of the most confusing things on this world. |
| 04:36.14 | benson | Beasides, I don't want my tablet jammed up onto the keyboard's USB port. :p |
| 04:36.34 | Mousey | microusb |
| 04:36.36 | Mousey | not miniusb |
| 04:37.27 | benson | It _shouldn't_ be, but people started making retarded adapters (A-A, B-B), and _then_ people started making USB-OTG, which made them not-retarded. And now it's a muddle. |
| 04:37.50 | benson | Mousey: No, miniUSB; I have a N800. |
| 04:37.54 | Mousey | oh |
| 04:38.03 | benson | 770 and N800 use mini, N810 uses micro. |
| 04:38.15 | Jucato | usb's and memory cards... micro,mini, @_@ |
| 04:38.18 | Mousey | well the microUSB otg on the n810 is fail.. they gave us hostmode, yay!! but not enuff to power even a usb stick |
| 04:38.19 | Mousey | boo |
| 04:38.21 | benson | Which is another reason USB is crazy at times. |
| 04:38.51 | benson | Same power as N800 I think, and I've done USB sticks fine. |
| 04:39.05 | benson | Some of them are just too power-hungry, but some work finew. |
| 04:39.17 | Jucato | can't test that :) |
| 04:39.51 | benson | I've also had a non-powered hub, joystick, and keyboard all hooked up. But that with my ethernet adapter was too much, and things went flakey. |
| 04:40.41 | benson | But if you get a powered hub, all (well, most) USB problems go away. |
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| 05:08.30 | Shadow_M | hello everyone did anyone figure out the smba mounting permission issue |
| 05:11.07 | Jari-- | Hi. Has anyone managed to make Macromedia Flash objects work within QT's WebKit ? |
| 05:11.39 | Jari-- | actually meant for #qt :P (oops) |
| 05:11.56 | Jucato | hehe |
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| 05:19.24 | b-man | sleeps, g'night all |
| 05:20.35 | Navi | Jari--: works with Arora |
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| 05:31.36 | Shadow_M | Navi, do you use mount -t cifs |
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| 05:36.03 | Navi | Shadow_M: I use mount.cifs |
| 05:36.09 | Navi | same thing |
| 05:36.17 | Navi | Why? |
| 05:36.53 | Shadow_M | i am hzving permision problems |
| 05:37.20 | Navi | What kinds of permission problems? |
| 05:37.28 | Shadow_M | i am using noperm option but still doesnt work |
| 05:38.10 | Shadow_M | like the user has permision to move files and edit but i am beingntreated as other |
| 05:39.26 | qgil | Any impressions about the new Media Application Framework - https://garage.maemo.org/docman/view.php/885/368/mafw-maemo-fremantle-draft.pdf ? |
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| 05:42.04 | Navi | Shadow_M: set the gid and umask when you mount it, I guess |
| 05:43.52 | Shadow_M | sudo /bin/mount -t cifs "//(IP_ADDRESS)/(SHARE_NAME)" "/home/user/MyDocs/(DIRECTORY TO MOUNT TO)" -o username="(USERNAME_HERE)",password="(PASSWORD_HERE)",uid=29999,gid=29999 |
| 05:44.12 | Shadow_M | already do that then at the end ,noperm |
| 05:44.50 | Navi | throw in umask=775 or something |
| 05:44.54 | Navi | hax it up |
| 05:45.26 | Navi | 777, even, if you're an other |
| 05:50.57 | Shadow_M | so umask=777 where in that command |
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| 05:56.01 | Shadow_M | sudo /bin/mount -t cifs "//(IP_ADDRESS)/(SHARE_NAME)" "/home/user/MyDocs/(DIRECTORY TO MOUNT TO)" -o username="(USERNAME_HERE)",password="(PASSWORD_HERE)",uid=29999,gid=29999,umask=777 ? |
| 05:56.05 | Shadow_M | like that |
| 05:56.54 | Navi | yessir |
| 05:58.44 | slonopotamus | hates watchdog |
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| 05:59.34 | Shadow_M | alright gonna try not thanks |
| 06:01.16 | slonopotamus | anyone has mer installed? |
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| 06:17.12 | Proteous | stupid interwebs |
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| 06:51.13 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: oh, thought johnx added assume connection already |
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| 07:23.26 | Stskeeps | morn qwerty12 |
| 07:23.45 | qwerty12 | hi Stskeeps |
| 07:24.12 | timeless | hello world |
| 07:24.21 | timeless | sts: could i see a preview of 0.7(vmwarE) |
| 07:24.47 | Stskeeps | timeless: sec |
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| 07:45.03 | timeless | nice... my e61i killed itself while plugged in |
| 07:45.03 | Meiz_n810 | how can i set my n810 in rd-mode on directly on it without flasher? |
| 07:45.11 | Meiz_n810 | cal-tool? |
| 07:45.13 | qwerty12 | You can't. |
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| 07:47.28 | timeless | does vmware send mail if you register? |
| 07:48.09 | qwerty12 | Bugmenot has a few logins for VMWare if you're trying to download |
| 07:48.26 | timeless | gave up and entered valid values |
| 07:49.45 | Stskeeps | virtualbox works too if vmware is not applicable / anything that loads vmdk :) |
| 07:49.54 | timeless | this is wXPsp3 |
| 07:50.15 | timeless | i'm planning to update my workstation to a newer OSOL |
| 07:50.24 | timeless | when i do that, i'll need to use VirtualBox or something for it |
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| 08:31.40 | Stskeeps | morning GAN800 |
| 08:32.09 | GAN800 | Drove home, now I'm sitting on the front porch locked out with a friend. |
| 08:32.27 | Stskeeps | ah. i think there's a xkcd comic related to this |
| 08:33.10 | timeless | locked out? |
| 08:34.00 | GAN800 | Waiting until my sister wakes to go to school and hoping we don't give her a heart attack. |
| 08:34.21 | Stskeeps | doorbell doesn't work? |
| 08:34.35 | Stskeeps | is going together with gf in 30 minutes to print our her slides and then her having her masters thesis defense |
| 08:34.36 | GAN800 | The only key I have is for a lock that, apparently, no longer exists. |
| 08:34.48 | timeless | at 3am, a doorbell isn't a good idea |
| 08:35.26 | timeless | so... |
| 08:35.37 | timeless | what's the logic for OK below Cancel in mer? |
| 08:35.50 | GAN800 | We're on the porch, the front door has a keypad, but the porch door has a deadbolt. |
| 08:36.04 | Stskeeps | timeless: zenity does it like that, so that's what it was |
| 08:36.22 | Stskeeps | feel free to note it somewhere, it probably shouldn't even have cancel :P |
| 08:36.35 | timeless | it shouldn't |
| 08:36.51 | timeless | The passwords don't match dialog sucks |
| 08:37.12 | L0cutus | buongiorno |
| 08:37.24 | Stskeeps | hehe, well, it's all made in shell script and zenity, not much to expect :) |
| 08:37.43 | timeless | is it really expectin gme to log into a console? |
| 08:37.54 | timeless | oh, it isn't |
| 08:38.11 | Stskeeps | we expose the seams currently to debug and such so |
| 08:38.12 | timeless | um, there should be a line on the text console telling me to "please wait while graphics loads." |
| 08:38.15 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 08:38.20 | timeless | the OSOL login has a line like that |
| 08:38.23 | Stskeeps | there's also a huge note over this release saying "don't expect too much of it" |
| 08:38.25 | timeless | i can get it for you if you like |
| 08:38.30 | Stskeeps | OSOL, btw? |
| 08:38.34 | timeless | opensolaris |
| 08:38.37 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 08:38.54 | timeless | also, the info banner for 'loading' |
| 08:38.59 | timeless | seems wider than my screen |
| 08:39.04 | timeless | it's like Fennec's find toolbar :) |
| 08:39.15 | Stskeeps | yeah, the info banner is from hildon stuff |
| 08:39.21 | Stskeeps | didn't add it intentionally, i loathe it :P |
| 08:39.34 | timeless | wonders how to fix the vmware screen res |
| 08:39.56 | Stskeeps | but anyway, if you do find errors, usability, or any, feel free to note them on wiki somewhere |
| 08:40.14 | timeless | if someone else could take notes from here, that'd be easier for me |
| 08:40.20 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 08:40.41 | timeless | network connections is your network manager from ubuntu? |
| 08:41.16 | Stskeeps | yeah, it was best choice currently (Network Manager), as ICD isn't open.. |
| 08:41.21 | timeless | nods |
| 08:41.22 | Stskeeps | i would love to use ICD, but so it goes |
| 08:41.32 | timeless | fwiw, the editing auto eth0 dialog has issues at the bottom |
| 08:41.40 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 08:41.47 | timeless | the available to all users checkbox and cancel/ok run over the tabgroup |
| 08:42.14 | Stskeeps | we are looking a bit at intel's connman but it has a nice TODO notice saying it doesn't do wpa.. |
| 08:42.17 | Stskeeps | (2) |
| 08:42.32 | timeless | heh |
| 08:42.43 | timeless | fwiw, fremantle didn't do wpa2 last week iirc |
| 08:42.47 | timeless | it might this or next |
| 08:42.59 | timeless | it was great, since the primary internal net our testers use was wpa2 |
| 08:43.00 | timeless | iirc |
| 08:43.09 | timeless | hrm |
| 08:43.19 | timeless | why didn't application manager show my device name in the main screen? |
| 08:43.29 | Stskeeps | it does that? |
| 08:43.40 | timeless | um, get someone else to confirm? |
| 08:43.41 | Stskeeps | device type or name? |
| 08:43.52 | timeless | my devices are in pockets somewhere :) |
| 08:44.04 | timeless | hey, can i switch to en-us? :) |
| 08:44.11 | timeless | h-a-m bothers me :) |
| 08:44.13 | Stskeeps | hehe, no locale stuff done just yet :P |
| 08:44.25 | Stskeeps | we use en_GB almost straight from fremantle pre-alpha2 |
| 08:44.42 | Stskeeps | and if it wasn't for my hack to re-include some strings, it would look really crap |
| 08:44.57 | timeless | heh |
| 08:45.10 | timeless | ok, any idea why the cursor changed to 'x' in ham/browse/all? |
| 08:45.42 | Stskeeps | probably because we use use_cursor yes and not a transparent cursor trick |
| 08:46.02 | timeless | the home screen gives me a prettier cursor |
| 08:46.06 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 08:46.11 | timeless | i'm only objecting to the X, not the presence |
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| 08:46.43 | Stskeeps | yeah - and it's related to lack of proper cursor handling just yet :) |
| 08:46.46 | timeless | wait, is red pill mode not supported by ham? |
| 08:46.50 | Stskeeps | sure it is |
| 08:47.06 | Stskeeps | but HAM is a bit wonky in that snapshot |
| 08:47.32 | timeless | it says enter web address first |
| 08:47.38 | timeless | and i hae 'matrix' in there |
| 08:47.48 | Stskeeps | try matrix and escape |
| 08:47.48 | timeless | oh! |
| 08:47.52 | timeless | it got behind the ... |
| 08:47.54 | timeless | cute |
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| 08:48.17 | Stskeeps | be aware show all packages is a bit funny since we have entire ubuntu repository ;) |
| 08:48.23 | Stskeeps | (it -does- work, after 3 minutes) |
| 08:48.24 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:48.31 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 08:48.35 | timeless | heh |
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| 08:49.23 | timeless | is there some trick to getting the screen dimensions correct? |
| 08:53.30 | timeless | wonders how to send <Enter> to xterm |
| 08:54.44 | timeless | wonders why hildon-desktop is using 114% for 'load' |
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| 08:55.41 | timeless | so, the cpu load thingy doesn't support sorting? :( |
| 08:55.42 | Stskeeps | ctrl-m and load-applet is a bit odd.. and vmware doesn't do 800x480 i think |
| 08:56.09 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:56.20 | Jaffa | timeless: press keypad-enter |
| 08:56.26 | timeless | on my laptop? |
| 08:56.32 | timeless | looks |
| 08:56.33 | Stskeeps | ctrl-m then :P |
| 08:56.38 | timeless | nope, can't seem to find that key |
| 08:56.45 | Stskeeps | i have no idea what causes it, i think it's a hildon specific thing |
| 08:56.55 | timeless | yeah it's a feature |
| 08:57.05 | timeless | it drives the internal devs nuts too fwiw |
| 08:57.26 | timeless | so, does 'close' close the process list, or the selected app? :( |
| 08:58.08 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 08:58.20 | Stskeeps | "Kill" ;> |
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| 08:58.34 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: can you test mer, new evdev, and see if Fn works now? |
| 08:58.35 | timeless | though shalt not... |
| 08:58.38 | timeless | oh that was murder |
| 08:58.45 | Stskeeps | yeah, killing is OK, murder isn' |
| 08:58.45 | Stskeeps | t |
| 08:58.46 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 09:08.06 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: yes, when i get out of this classroom ;) |
| 09:08.53 | GAN800 | It pouring rain. :( |
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| 09:17.45 | trenka | ab: how is it going? |
| 09:18.04 | ab | trenka: the train is tomorrow :) |
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| 09:32.50 | trenka | ab: hehe ;) Need orchestra on the station? ;) |
| 09:33.03 | ab | trenka: :) |
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| 09:47.13 | X-Fade | Morning. |
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| 09:55.35 | lcuk | mornin X-Fade |
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| 09:56.21 | timeless | hey |
| 09:56.39 | timeless | anyone here know of any 0/1 line xml files in the public diablo repo? |
| 09:59.30 | timeless | stskeeps: will mer break if i update "Operating System" (3.2mb) ? |
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| 10:03.48 | GAN800 | X-Fade, if I update repository.maemo.org, can you upload the new page? |
| 10:04.10 | timeless | gan800: do you have a box that can build packages? |
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| 10:04.43 | GAN800 | timeless, no. |
| 10:07.07 | X-Fade | GAN800: No, but marcell can. ;) |
| 10:07.07 | Stskeeps | timeless: we have an upgrade like that? O_o |
| 10:07.07 | X-Fade | GAN800: But i'll ask him to update it.. |
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| 10:07.07 | timeless | stskeeps: i was offered updateds for libtk2, libhildon, xserver-xorg |
| 10:07.09 | timeless | l10ns for ham, control panel, fm, libs |
| 10:07.30 | GAN800 | X-Fade, I was a bit conservative with my changes last time around, but I think I'll make it match maemo-meeting etc this time. |
| 10:08.35 | X-Fade | GAN800: Sure, no problem. |
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| 10:18.02 | Stskeeps | should be fine |
| 10:18.12 | Stskeeps | , timeless |
| 10:18.13 | timeless | gan:... |
| 10:18.23 | timeless | "Connection name already in use" |
| 10:19.09 | timeless | oh cool |
| 10:19.17 | timeless | i got 'Operation failed' starting application manager :) |
| 10:20.33 | StsN800 | hehe. assume-connection issue |
| 10:20.38 | timeless | no |
| 10:20.46 | timeless | i have 0 catalogues |
| 10:20.51 | timeless | which sounds 'bad' |
| 10:22.50 | lcuk | timeless, should translation extend to logged error messages? |
| 10:24.12 | lcuk | hopes not because theres more logging in my system than visible UI labels |
| 10:24.13 | StsN800 | i will kill whoever makes syslog be in danish |
| 10:24.20 | lcuk | lol |
| 10:24.28 | timeless | technically they should |
| 10:24.33 | timeless | gcc translates its error messages |
| 10:24.34 | lcuk | im thinking of the northern->english |
| 10:24.38 | timeless | in practice, doing it is usually stupid |
| 10:24.44 | lcuk | thats because gcc is entirely console |
| 10:24.54 | lcuk | its UI *is* the console |
| 10:25.07 | timeless | hrm |
| 10:26.10 | timeless | for logging, i'd prefer just english i suppose :) |
| 10:26.15 | timeless | so um |
| 10:26.25 | timeless | why don't i have any catalogs in application manager? |
| 10:27.04 | lcuk | i dunno |
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| 10:27.18 | lcuk | bbiab, was just a ponderment |
| 10:27.47 | timeless | could someone pastebin /var/lib/osso-application-installer/catalogues.backup ? |
| 10:28.54 | timeless | likes how there are both available_updates and available-updates |
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| 10:29.55 | timeless | oh, osso-application-installer is a symlink, oh well, doesn't matter |
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| 10:31.39 | RST38h | remoo all |
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| 10:32.03 | StsN800 | timeless, mer/sprints/0.7 indicate an issue with not assuming connection, it uses libconic and we have no icd |
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| 10:32.35 | timeless | sts: yeah, but... before i had things in catalog, iirc |
| 10:33.02 | StsN800 | timeless, add assume-connection 1 to ~/.osso/hildon-application-manager i think |
| 10:33.20 | timeless | i have that |
| 10:33.24 | StsN800 | yeah but they dont show up until first update |
| 10:33.29 | StsN800 | afaik |
| 10:33.30 | StsN800 | k |
| 10:33.32 | timeless | can you check the catalogs list? |
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| 10:33.35 | timeless | in the ui |
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| 10:33.50 | StsN800 | tools->catalogue i think |
| 10:33.56 | timeless | yes |
| 10:33.59 | timeless | what do you have there |
| 10:34.01 | timeless | i have nothing |
| 10:34.14 | yerga | X-Fade, ping |
| 10:34.14 | StsN800 | not in mer atm |
| 10:34.24 | X-Fade | yerga: pong |
| 10:34.32 | timeless | can i pull in stuff from diablo extras? |
| 10:34.43 | StsN800 | at gfs master thesis defense waiting for her outside:) |
| 10:34.46 | yerga | X-Fade, could you look that rss feed from my blog is in the planet? |
| 10:35.04 | StsN800 | timeless, some might work some not |
| 10:35.08 | X-Fade | yerga: I see your post? |
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| 10:35.18 | jaem | hello all |
| 10:35.35 | yerga | X-Fade, yeah, it post shouldn't be in the planet |
| 10:36.13 | X-Fade | yerga: You can see the url we use in the subscribtions column.. |
| 10:36.42 | yerga | X-Fade, ah thanks! |
| 10:36.47 | timeless | lol |
| 10:36.56 | timeless | apt-worker: too weak to get lock from 2735 |
| 10:37.04 | jaem | haha |
| 10:37.12 | jaem | apt-crowbar? |
| 10:37.16 | jaem | apt-thermite? |
| 10:37.17 | jaem | much better |
| 10:37.41 | RST38h | Sts: What is the topic? |
| 10:38.07 | StsN800 | RST38h, of? |
| 10:38.22 | X-Fade | yerga: http://yerga.freehostia.com/blog/wp-rss2.php?cat=3 |
| 10:38.43 | RST38h | Sts: the master thesis |
| 10:39.17 | yerga | X-Fade, yes, it's some problem in my part, it's redirected to the general feed |
| 10:40.00 | StsN800 | RST38h, migration from poland to old eu member states and effect of this on national labour market, economy .. i thnk |
| 10:40.33 | yerga | X-Fade, I'll fix it before of shooting the planet with posts about cooking ;) |
| 10:40.37 | RST38h | Sts: Heh |
| 10:40.45 | X-Fade | yerga: Heh ;) |
| 10:41.14 | StsN800 | when done she'll have two masters degrees:) |
| 10:41.36 | timeless | ok, killing the bogus lock fixed my catalog list |
| 10:42.18 | jaem | I've discovered the true beauty of Linux |
| 10:42.21 | StsN800 | interesting |
| 10:42.26 | jaem | ...cron job'd pizza ordering |
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| 10:43.04 | jaem | or maybe that's just me being bored without my N810 |
| 10:43.14 | StsN800 | jaem, now think p |
| 10:43.17 | StsN800 | nm |
| 10:43.17 | RST38h | jaem: Is it gonna pay and eat the ordered pizza too? |
| 10:43.31 | jaem | RST38h: the site has to have your credit card number |
| 10:43.47 | jaem | and it's only Domino's Pizza (wherever that may be aside from Canada/US) |
| 10:43.58 | jaem | but ArchLinux has a package for CLI pizza ordering |
| 10:44.05 | RST38h | umgh |
| 10:45.18 | jaem | I don't have a credit card, but I'm tempted to configure it, just so I have a ~/.pizza_partyrc |
| 10:46.01 | timeless | hrm |
| 10:46.13 | timeless | someone should fix XChat to appear in communication or internet |
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| 10:47.04 | StsN800 | i think it would ask if it could |
| 10:47.28 | StsN800 | not sure we have the menu chooser util atm |
| 10:47.35 | timeless | why doesn't hildon application manager show me fennec? |
| 10:47.39 | timeless | apt-cache offers it |
| 10:47.57 | StsN800 | user/ |
| 10:48.10 | timeless | mozilla.org -failed to refresh |
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| 10:48.50 | timeless | it's looking for binary-i386 |
| 10:49.05 | timeless | but mozilla.org's path is binary-x86 |
| 10:49.14 | StsN800 | ah |
| 10:49.25 | timeless | iirc that's a bug in mozilla.org's arch |
| 10:49.29 | timeless | i'll file |
| 10:50.22 | jaem | how's fennec coming along these days? I haven't tried it in a while |
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| 10:50.57 | timeless | it's almost tolerable for basic testing (responsiveness) |
| 10:51.04 | jaem | that's good |
| 10:51.14 | jaem | it looked nice, but alpha1 was just painful to use |
| 10:51.22 | timeless | nods |
| 10:51.22 | jaem | I hope they get it working nicely |
| 10:51.38 | jaem | I was amused by the settings dialog |
| 10:51.43 | timeless | why? |
| 10:51.48 | jaem | the jokes |
| 10:51.58 | jaem | you didn't notice? |
| 10:52.04 | timeless | oh, phoenix had some when it first started |
| 10:52.15 | timeless | cookies are delicious delicacies |
| 10:52.20 | jaem | yes indeed |
| 10:52.38 | jaem | I ate the last of mine this morning :( |
| 10:52.54 | jaem | but I can't buy any more any time soon, because I go through a box far too fast |
| 10:52.56 | jaem | lol |
| 10:53.53 | timeless | http://www.squarefree.com/2004/07/24/cookies-are-no-longer-delicious-delicacies/ |
| 10:54.49 | timeless | https://www.squarefree.com/extensions/delicious-delicacies/ |
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| 10:55.09 | jaem | ha |
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| 10:57.25 | lardman | morning all |
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| 10:57.41 | jaem | is not sure why he chose to compile an app on his P4 that would have worked just as well compiled on his other box, and then cp'd over |
| 10:57.46 | jaem | hey lardman |
| 10:57.58 | lardman | hi jaem |
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| 10:59.33 | jaem | I'm a bit annoyed at the moment... I have to recompile VirtualBox because the Arch packager forgot to include the module I need |
| 11:00.05 | jaem | I'm trying to get pfSense up and running for router awesomeness |
| 11:00.31 | jaem | speaking of, does Mer run properly in VBox these days? |
| 11:01.13 | Stskeeps | yup |
| 11:01.18 | jaem | yay |
| 11:01.19 | Jaffa | jaem: ran well last night for me :-) |
| 11:01.28 | Stskeeps | did already in 0.6 |
| 11:01.40 | jaem | I haven't had a chance to try it yet, because my N810 died while booting it |
| 11:01.45 | jaem | or immediately before |
| 11:02.27 | Stskeeps | jffs or installer? |
| 11:02.33 | jaem | installer |
| 11:02.48 | jaem | I was wary about the jffs, given the warning, and the pre-release-ness |
| 11:03.03 | jaem | I figured that if I was going to void my warranty, I probably shouldn't void it too much :P |
| 11:03.06 | jaem | yet |
| 11:03.17 | StsN800 | understandable |
| 11:03.34 | jaem | gah! my spacebar isn't working properly |
| 11:03.48 | StsN800 | rootfs/initfs is safe, nolo overwriting is not |
| 11:03.51 | jaem | ...that might be becaues I haven't bothered putting the screws back in my kbd |
| 11:04.05 | jaem | is nolo the bootloader? |
| 11:04.40 | StsN800 | yeah, before kernel and initfs |
| 11:04.56 | jaem | okay - I'd heard it mentioned |
| 11:05.22 | jaem | does it stand for anything? |
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| 11:06.47 | timeless | oh brother |
| 11:06.51 | Stskeeps | nokia loader?:) |
| 11:06.52 | timeless | they didn't build fennec ofr x86 |
| 11:07.02 | jaem | sts: oh, duh |
| 11:07.39 | StsN800 | timeless, well there's no proper x86 hildon env.. |
| 11:07.55 | Myrtti | nolo? it also means in Finnish http://www.sanakirja.org/search.php?q=nolo |
| 11:07.59 | timeless | does the autobuilder not support it? |
| 11:08.47 | jaem | Myrtti: hopefully Nokia isn't embarrassed by their bootloader ;) |
| 11:09.15 | Stskeeps | mortified maybe |
| 11:09.49 | Stskeeps | Myrtti: does 'mer' mean anything except for in swedish |
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| 11:11.53 | Stskeeps | jesus, 40 min exam so far |
| 11:11.55 | timeless | "Device not locked" |
| 11:11.56 | timeless | grumbles |
| 11:12.02 | timeless | anyone know what that means? :) |
| 11:12.02 | Stskeeps | that must be brutal |
| 11:12.17 | jaem | timeless: in what context? |
| 11:12.23 | timeless | jaem: that's no fun |
| 11:12.45 | timeless | but you saw a dialog that said 'enter lock code' |
| 11:12.45 | timeless | and something happened |
| 11:12.47 | timeless | now you see that as an info banner |
| 11:13.11 | jaem | timeless: my brains! they be boggling! |
| 11:13.33 | jaem | that was probably put in by a sadistic dev who just wanted to mess with you, personally and individually |
| 11:13.37 | jaem | seriously |
| 11:13.53 | timeless | would this make more sense: "Device lock not set" |
| 11:14.09 | jaem | possibly |
| 11:14.15 | jaem | have you set a lock code? |
| 11:14.26 | timeless | it's trying to say that you decided not to set one |
| 11:14.32 | timeless | and obviously it's failing miserably |
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| 11:18.29 | jaem | timeless: I've seen worse issues |
| 11:18.33 | sandman | Does anyone have any idea as to when the next gen nokia tablet will come out? |
| 11:18.40 | timeless | "Device left without lock code" |
| 11:18.41 | timeless | ? |
| 11:18.42 | sandman | The one that is supposedly going to use the OMAP3, etc? |
| 11:18.52 | timeless | jaem: oh sure, but, strings are fixable, kinda |
| 11:18.53 | jaem | like an error message in GNOME that basically said "Error: this error should not be shown in the GUI" |
| 11:18.59 | timeless | lol |
| 11:19.00 | jaem | true |
| 11:19.16 | Jaffa | sandman: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle |
| 11:19.32 | jaem | I've also had an autoconf script that apparently thought it had stored a cache file in /dev/null, and was trying to retrieve it |
| 11:19.38 | jaem | it had fun with that one :D |
| 11:19.56 | timeless | jaffa: any thoughts on the last strings i've pasted? |
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| 11:21.10 | Jaffa | timeless: "Device left without lock code" - when's it appear? |
| 11:21.22 | timeless | the first time you try to set the lock code |
| 11:21.25 | timeless | if you cancel the dialog |
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| 11:21.49 | Jaffa | timeless: Or, presumably, any time you go into the dialogue box when it's not set and press cancel. |
| 11:22.02 | timeless | sure |
| 11:22.31 | Jaffa | timeless: "Device lock code remains unset" - all a bit fugly and clumsy |
| 11:23.16 | sandman | Is the on-screen keyboard still available on the n810? I presume it is, of course |
| 11:23.23 | timeless | yes |
| 11:23.34 | timeless | jaffa: ok, you click the battery icon |
| 11:23.37 | timeless | which is better: |
| 11:23.44 | timeless | "%d days (of use)" |
| 11:23.49 | timeless | "One day (in use)" |
| 11:23.54 | timeless | "When in use: %d hours" |
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| 11:24.08 | timeless | note that i'm interested in style |
| 11:24.22 | timeless | obviously people prefer 10 days of uptime under heavy use :) |
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| 11:24.50 | timeless | "One hour (active)" |
| 11:25.15 | jaem | I'd vote for "One day (in use)" |
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| 11:28.30 | Jaffa | timeless: Hmm. Perhaps just "%d minutes use, %d days maximum" (or s/maximum/standby/) |
| 11:28.50 | jaem | maximum seems a bit ambiguous to me |
| 11:28.55 | timeless | it isn't |
| 11:28.59 | timeless | i mean |
| 11:29.09 | timeless | it's true in testing i once had idle time < active time |
| 11:29.13 | timeless | but that was a bug :) |
| 11:29.18 | timeless | it should never happen :) |
| 11:30.14 | jaem | I just thought that "idle" sounds less ambiguous than "maximum", since it's the time you'll got get if it's *idle*, not just a general "best-case" under normal circumstances |
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| 11:30.20 | jaem | that said, it's just my two cents |
| 11:31.14 | timeless | "%d minutes of use" or "%d minutes use" |
| 11:31.17 | Jaffa | jaem: But what's idle? The user being idle? |
| 11:31.31 | timeless | fwiw, i have 'idling' atm |
| 11:31.34 | Jaffa | timeless: I'd prefer "use" to be a verb (i.e. the second), rather than the first where it's a noun. |
| 11:31.36 | timeless | "%d days (idling)" |
| 11:31.42 | jaem | Jaffa: I would interpret it as "the device sitting there not doing much" |
| 11:32.00 | timeless | jaem: truth be told, user has no clue whether device is doing much |
| 11:32.06 | jaem | fair point |
| 11:32.08 | timeless | w/o my battery drain indicator |
| 11:32.15 | timeless | which i haven't gotten them to impleemnt |
| 11:32.21 | timeless | s/em/me |
| 11:32.32 | jaem | my old English teacher has an N800... I could ask him what he thinks :D |
| 11:32.37 | jaem | is kidding |
| 11:32.45 | timeless | would really want that feedback |
| 11:32.50 | jaem | seriously? |
| 11:32.54 | timeless | seriously. |
| 11:32.58 | jaem | I can ask him, but it's not a sane hour right now |
| 11:33.03 | timeless | oh sure |
| 11:33.05 | jaem | sure - I'll talk to him tomorrow |
| 11:33.15 | jaem | anything else you'd like me to ask? |
| 11:33.20 | timeless | anyway, i should have a package for testing in time for fosdem |
| 11:33.36 | timeless | so i'm not sure how i'd want his feedback atm |
| 11:33.55 | jaem | well, I'll ask him, and let you know on #maemo, when you're around |
| 11:34.01 | jaem | and you can do with that what you will |
| 11:34.31 | pupnik | wow, got a lock indoors with new OS |
| 11:34.34 | pupnik | (!) |
| 11:34.40 | timeless | jaffa: would "%d days max." be ok? |
| 11:34.47 | timeless | i'd rather avoid writing out 'maximum' |
| 11:36.09 | timeless | hrm |
| 11:36.14 | timeless | "minutes max." |
| 11:36.18 | timeless | looks really bad |
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| 11:39.58 | jaem | timeless: I sent him an e-mail - hopefully I can get back to you about that tomorrow |
| 11:40.12 | timeless | or me that's ~+30h fwiw |
| 11:40.51 | jaem | okay |
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| 11:58.20 | sandman | I don't suppose it's possible to install maemo on an iPod touch, is it |
| 11:59.58 | Jaffa | sandman: No, it's not. |
| 12:00.19 | Jaffa | I suppose a jailbroken iPod Touch *may* be able to run Mer at some long distant point, but I wouldn't hold your breath |
| 12:11.46 | lcuk | when you have a translation item involving parameters (like the %d days, %d minutes thing) are you forced to use the original parameter order and what happens if the language reads right in a different order? |
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| 12:40.27 | Jaffa | lcuk: you're screwed, which is why Java translations use numbered inserts corresponding to argumetn order, eg. {0}, {1}, {2}, ... |
| 12:41.22 | zap | Anybody knows where's the mtdblock partitioning information stored? Is it possible to repartition it using different partition sizes? |
| 12:42.30 | b-man|grogy | /proc/partitions, i believe |
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| 12:45.25 | b-man|grogy | and you can use resize2fs for filesysm resizing |
| 12:46.24 | b-man|grogy | allthough i'm not shure maemo has resize2fs :P |
| 12:48.49 | timeless_mer | where do i go to report bugs on xchat for maemo/mer? |
| 12:50.47 | b-man|grogy | bugzilla :) |
| 12:51.31 | Jaffa | b-man|grogy: who's XChat port is it? |
| 12:51.32 | timeless_mer | oh, cool |
| 12:52.15 | b-man|grogy | jaffa: qwerty12's, i think |
| 12:52.28 | Jaffa | Ah, OK |
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| 12:53.52 | timeless_mer | Not all paths say /home/timeless |
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| 12:54.47 | AndrewFBlack | Morning |
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| 12:55.15 | b-man|grogy | g'morning AndrewFBlack |
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| 13:04.10 | timeless_mer | so... the existence of an 'x' button in the bottom left of xchat is really annoying |
| 13:08.38 | b-man|grogy | finishes up ubuntu-rescue-menu in gimp |
| 13:09.02 | AndrewFBlack | b-man|grogy, cool |
| 13:09.14 | b-man|grogy | :) |
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| 13:14.30 | b1ackdeath | any one have tips on how i can monitor my bandwidth over bluetooth? |
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| 13:20.12 | wazd | hey everybody |
| 13:20.21 | StsN800 | lo wazd |
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| 13:22.26 | StsN800 | timeless, so besides the quirks mentioned, what do you think of mer so far? |
| 13:22.52 | b1ackdeath | any one know a altertive for bandwidthd for the n810 |
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| 13:39.04 | lcuk | jaffa, thanks - i didnt think it would work (ive examined tran stuff in other languages a few times) ... mmm actually i think i can use the numbered parameters thing for printf as well, lemme dive in |
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| 13:41.23 | lcuk | ahhh no tis something else |
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| 13:46.20 | timeless_ | it's pretty good |
| 13:46.31 | timeless_ | that enter doesn't work on my laptop is a show stopper though... |
| 13:46.58 | timeless_ | and i can't find a way to trigger the power button, so i can't safely shut down |
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| 13:52.48 | StsN800 | hehe, yeah |
| 13:54.33 | johnx | returns |
| 13:54.58 | RST38h | returns too |
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| 14:00.26 | RST38h | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/30/american_stereotype/ =) |
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| 14:01.10 | johnx | RST38h, you're right. sometimes the register does manage a redeeming article of some sort |
| 14:02.53 | RST38h | does wonder what the redeeming quality of this article is though =) |
| 14:03.04 | johnx | it's actually funny |
| 14:03.10 | RST38h | heh |
| 14:03.11 | johnx | and also I get to use it at work :D |
| 14:03.19 | RST38h | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh =) |
| 14:03.24 | johnx | can you say "example material"? |
| 14:03.34 | RST38h | johnx: Yea, I see what you mean now... |
| 14:04.38 | johnx | "Tell me about this picture." |
| 14:05.12 | RST38h | "What do you see on it?" |
| 14:05.26 | RST38h | "Would you have a beer with this man?" |
| 14:05.39 | johnx | "What would you say to start a conversation with him?" |
| 14:05.58 | RST38h | johnx: That is a trick question. |
| 14:06.11 | johnx | those are the best kind :) |
| 14:09.39 | johnx | I'm seriously going to figure out a way to use this. It's too perfect |
| 14:11.55 | RST38h | are you teaching kids or adults? |
| 14:12.06 | johnx | adults of various levels |
| 14:12.30 | johnx | I wouldn't spring this on an old lady or something, but I bet a college student would find this quite awesome |
| 14:13.09 | RST38h | just like in anime! =) |
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| 14:15.26 | johnx | I guess it's important to reinforce the stereotypes I try to dissolve, every so often |
| 14:16.45 | RST38h | Not all stereotypes are wrong, statistically... |
| 14:17.11 | johnx | yeah, but it's important that they get the idea of thinking about things at least a little flexibly |
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| 14:27.06 | Stskeeps | lo johnx |
| 14:27.21 | johnx | hey Stskeeps |
| 14:27.29 | RST38h | johnx: btw, how are they in terms of flexible/creative thinking? |
| 14:27.53 | RST38h | johnx: is it like the stereotype says or is it different? |
| 14:28.10 | johnx | RST38h, everyone is different, really. You can really see the difference in the people who were raised with an emphasis on being bilingual |
| 14:28.31 | RST38h | johnx: Ah |
| 14:29.26 | RST38h | previously noticed that just about everyone working in a university (PhD students included) has more or less the same thinking style independently of the country |
| 14:29.52 | RST38h | No idea what happens once you leave the ivory tower though |
| 14:30.14 | suihkulokki | you are unique - just like everyone else |
| 14:31.06 | johnx | I think learning a second language probably makes the biggest difference in how well a person can communicate in general |
| 14:31.41 | soap | I think learning a first language helps as well. ;) |
| 14:32.08 | johnx | but that second language is what really teaches you how to *use* a second language |
| 14:33.08 | johnx | grrr..."how to *use* a first language" |
| 14:33.12 | johnx | fails at language |
| 14:33.12 | soap | it forces you to pay attention to structure and grammar, yes. |
| 14:33.27 | RST38h | johnx: But probably only if you can analyze trends |
| 14:33.35 | soap | because you are removed from the "learning" of hearing casual usage your entire life. |
| 14:34.09 | RST38h | soap: Actually, I tried taking an English grammar class in the US, for native speakers. Couldn't figure out what is going on. |
| 14:34.10 | wiza | except if the second language is english what you pretty much hear all the time :) |
| 14:34.44 | wiza | well, least in software industry :p |
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| 14:34.52 | johnx | I'm not sure it's the analysis so much as just figuring out how to say things a different way, how to explain around something you don't know how to say |
| 14:35.06 | RST38h | soap: The concepts they teach are just completley different, not the highly structured approach taught in English classes in .RU |
| 14:35.30 | RST38h | soap: But they do seem to be much easier to learn if you are already speaking English though |
| 14:36.28 | RST38h | johnx: That is spoken, not written English, right? |
| 14:36.39 | johnx | RST38h, true |
| 14:37.09 | johnx | but, spoken english is the weakness here. they get reading & writing english from grade 6 onwards |
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| 14:37.30 | RST38h | johnx: Ah...do they write better than they speak though? |
| 14:37.40 | johnx | RST38h, yup :) |
| 14:37.46 | johnx | craziness no? |
| 14:37.51 | RST38h | I mean, written Japanese has nothing to do with "normal" European languages? |
| 14:38.07 | Veggen | johnx: grade 6? far too late...I think they start a bit even in grade 1 or 2, here. |
| 14:38.09 | RST38h | johnx: Not crazy enough but unusual |
| 14:38.31 | johnx | RST38h, oh, definitely no relation at all. but they learn written english in school and never get a chance to speak it |
| 14:38.49 | johnx | Veggen, the new programs starting now are starting spoken English in 1st grade |
| 14:39.18 | Veggen | mmm, that's better. |
| 14:39.28 | Veggen | I think we started in 3rd or 4th in my time. |
| 14:39.33 | RST38h | johnx: More jobs for laid off American workers! =) |
| 14:40.29 | johnx | RST38h, heh. it's weird, but I think most Americans would barely even consider moving to a different country as an option... |
| 14:41.05 | RST38h | johnx: Yes, it is somewhat of a step into the open space where be dragons :) |
| 14:41.27 | RST38h | johnx: Most Americans who do go outside for prolonged periods of time come back different though |
| 14:41.31 | johnx | RST38h, yeah. takes someone really weird to consider it I think :D |
| 14:41.46 | johnx | RST38h, oh. very much so. |
| 14:41.55 | RST38h | johnx: btw, US embassies rotate employees every 3 years or so |
| 14:42.04 | AndrewFBlack | I did see where Bank of america moved alot of jobs out of usa but gave the workers the chance to go and alot of them did they said the cost of living there made it where it was like the made more money |
| 14:42.24 | RST38h | Andrew: Not in EU though... |
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| 14:42.45 | johnx | there are tiers of foreignness I think :) |
| 14:42.51 | AndrewFBlack | no I think it was inda or somewhere it was part of there phone help devision |
| 14:43.01 | slonopotamus | hi |
| 14:43.18 | RST38h | wouldn't go to India. Would go to .TW though, if needed |
| 14:43.19 | johnx | AndrewFBlack, wow...quite impressive |
| 14:43.48 | johnx | I'd like to visit India for sure |
| 14:44.00 | johnx | In fact there are few places that I wouldn't visit if I had the chance |
| 14:44.08 | slonopotamus | where i can get mer linuxrc file? |
| 14:44.14 | RST38h | johnx: Ah, visiting wuld be no problem. |
| 14:44.24 | slonopotamus | if it has it :) |
| 14:44.34 | RST38h | johnx: But I would be kinda afraid to live there |
| 14:44.48 | johnx | slonopotamus, one sec :) |
| 14:45.27 | RST38h | johnx: Take 800+m population and this: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/pharmawater_india;_ylt=AjTvb3tZ_3yylM5U6885MEQDW7oF |
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| 14:46.00 | RST38h | johnx: Add up. Mix. Involve evolution theory. |
| 14:46.19 | johnx | RST38h, yeah, In India no one has the money to cover it up...or they don't bother. |
| 14:46.33 | RST38h | johnx: Oh, it is not only that |
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| 14:46.55 | RST38h | johnx: India is one of the largest drug producers, so the amounts of this crap will be higher |
| 14:47.32 | RST38h | johnx: It has got huge population in which little microbuggers can breed freely. And it is warm and wet, ideal for disease |
| 14:47.34 | slonopotamus | johnx, i'm very patient :) |
| 14:47.52 | lcuk | jaffa, re your mail, how do the kinetic hildon widgets work on device - are they default upgrades for existing apps or do existing apps need to reference the new controls to make em work? |
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| 14:48.43 | lcuk | (or anyone else with experience of mer on 810 itself) |
| 14:48.58 | johnx | slonopotamus, I believe the linuxrc is contained in the mer.tar.gz image. here it is on pastebin though: http://pastebin.ca/1322777 |
| 14:49.27 | johnx | lcuk, haven't run into any kinetic widgets yet |
| 14:49.37 | slonopotamus | johnx, hmm... i wonder how you built image then :) |
| 14:50.05 | johnx | slonopotamus, with the imager |
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| 14:50.32 | RST38h | johnx: on the other hand, if we do get a geniune euroamerican plague, you can be sure that it will come from a chicken or pig farm ;) |
| 14:50.40 | slonopotamus | but where it took linuxrc from? |
| 14:51.05 | lcuk | johnx, jaffa just posted a message on the ML mentioning about them - i gather its the ones yerga showcased, would certainly be intering to see how they "feel" on device (i asked yerge a while ago, he hadnt either) |
| 14:51.56 | johnx | slonopotamus, might be included with imager. let me check |
| 14:52.39 | slonopotamus | johnx, i wanna track its updates, but didn't find it on lp |
| 14:54.47 | johnx | nit-bootmenu-compat |
| 14:54.55 | johnx | dpkg -S /linuxrc # :) |
| 14:55.03 | AndrewFBlack | I wish there was a way to make my swap bigger then 128 without moving to my SD card |
| 14:55.34 | johnx | AndrewFBlack, why don't you have the GUI make a swap file, then delete the file and make a new one manually that's bigger? |
| 14:55.40 | slonopotamus | johnx, thanks |
| 14:55.54 | lcuk | johnx, does that work? :D |
| 14:56.18 | johnx | lcuk, it's worth a try. :) |
| 14:56.23 | slonopotamus | swap: just run swapon? |
| 14:56.24 | lcuk | thinks swap is generated by magic |
| 14:56.31 | lcuk | im still used to windows i think :D |
| 14:56.47 | lcuk | crap, bbl again |
| 14:56.48 | slonopotamus | lcuk, swap is an empty file initially |
| 14:57.11 | slonopotamus | and then swapon is run on it |
| 14:57.12 | lcuk | yeah slonopotamus but i thought it was a formatted fs |
| 14:57.23 | slonopotamus | lcuk, nope |
| 14:57.28 | lcuk | cool :) |
| 14:57.33 | johnx | slonopotamus, you're forgetting a step :P |
| 14:57.37 | johnx | mkswap /my-swap-file |
| 14:57.48 | lcuk | there is so many little things to learn :) |
| 14:57.50 | johnx | or mkswap /dev/hda6 |
| 14:57.50 | slonopotamus | johnx, hmm... ok |
| 14:57.51 | lcuk | bbl |
| 14:58.09 | AndrewFBlack | johnx how do I do that? |
| 14:59.06 | slonopotamus | johnx, i think that just sets some magic bit, so you can't swapon on a useful file and corrupt it |
| 14:59.37 | johnx | slonopotamus, yeah, but it's not 'just an empty file.' It's some marked file at least |
| 14:59.38 | johnx | AndrewFBlack, one sec :) |
| 15:00.48 | lcuk | apt-get install strength |
| 15:01.14 | johnx | you need to first create an empty file of the right size: dd if=/dev/zero of=/my-swap-file count=256 bs=1M |
| 15:01.27 | johnx | mkswap /my-swap-file |
| 15:02.04 | johnx | but keep in mind you should be doing this to the file that the UI creates. I think this should be just fine...it doesn't regenerate the file on every reboot |
| 15:03.27 | johnx | ~lart fremantle gtk or hildon for removing the cancel button from dialogs automagically |
| 15:03.27 | infobot | whips out a sword and chops fremantle gtk or hildon in half for removing the cancel button from dialogs automagically |
| 15:05.21 | lcuk | johnx, really? |
| 15:05.31 | johnx | seems so |
| 15:05.33 | slonopotamus | hmm |
| 15:05.34 | lcuk | i tohught you made your own screens |
| 15:05.35 | johnx | only in certain cases I think |
| 15:05.58 | slonopotamus | i use swapon on a separate sd card |
| 15:06.11 | johnx | lcuk, well, in some cases it's definitely dropping the cancel button... |
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| 15:06.50 | lcuk | booo hiss |
| 15:07.24 | slonopotamus | gets his hands dirty with linuxrc magic |
| 15:07.32 | johnx | AndrewFBlack, to create a blank file: dd if=/dev/zero of=./my-swap-file count=256 bs=1M |
| 15:08.06 | johnx | lcuk, yeah, I'm not amused either. it breaks my 'use swap' 'don't use swap' dialog... |
| 15:08.23 | rm_you | oh hey its a johnx/lcuk |
| 15:08.28 | johnx | hey rm_you |
| 15:08.43 | johnx | new mer image coming up on feb 1st :) |
| 15:08.43 | lcuk | thats GNU/lcuk actually |
| 15:08.50 | rm_you | you get around to doing anything on my server? |
| 15:08.51 | johnx | after that we'll conscript you :) |
| 15:08.51 | lcuk | :D |
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| 15:08.55 | rm_you | lol |
| 15:09.01 | rm_you | i may have more time now... |
| 15:09.08 | johnx | rm_you, ahaha. nope. I slept for 13 hours the other day and just got back from downtown |
| 15:09.13 | rm_you | lol |
| 15:09.30 | lcuk | i can has sleep too? |
| 15:09.34 | rm_you | well have fun whenever you do it... i gotta run to class now unfortunately :( |
| 15:09.38 | rm_you | lcuk: ya rly |
| 15:09.47 | rm_you | i'm back to getting 6 hours |
| 15:09.53 | rm_you | i guess that's not horrible... |
| 15:09.57 | rm_you | anyway, LATER! :) |
| 15:10.02 | lcuk | :D its caturday tomorrow |
| 15:10.38 | AStorm | yeah! |
| 15:10.46 | AStorm | moar cheezeburgerz |
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| 15:11.00 | lcuk | moar sleepinz |
| 15:11.05 | AStorm | that too |
| 15:11.14 | lcuk | then bacon :D |
| 15:11.35 | lcuk | i have barely slept this week, i need to hibernate |
| 15:12.02 | johnx | lcuk, yeah, felt that the other day |
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| 15:14.45 | sisto | where can you buy a microsd to minisd adapter? |
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| 15:15.05 | AStorm | lcuk: :> |
| 15:15.15 | johnx | sisto, locally or over the internet? |
| 15:15.35 | sisto | preferably in NYC? |
| 15:15.35 | AndrewFBlack | wish there was a way to move Wayfinder maps to external card so I can swap that card out when I need the maps |
| 15:15.52 | sisto | otherwise on the internet |
| 15:16.24 | sisto | microsd cards seem to only come with SD adapters |
| 15:17.12 | AndrewFBlack | sams club sells there micro sd card with mini and full adapters if you just need adapter 1gb micro card is only $9 |
| 15:19.10 | sisto | AndrewFBlack: thanks! |
| 15:19.52 | AndrewFBlack | I have about half a dozen from the cards I have goten |
| 15:21.25 | Grackle | http://code.google.com/p/blackgold/issues/detail?id=3 For your amusement. |
| 15:23.50 | AndrewFBlack | johnx, do I need to get root to make that file? |
| 15:24.55 | johnx | AndrewFBlack, yes. but more importantly you need to find what file it is that the GUI makes when you enable swap |
| 15:25.20 | AndrewFBlack | how do I find that out? |
| 15:25.30 | qwerty12 | /media/mmc2/.swap |
| 15:25.31 | johnx | look on your SD card for it |
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| 15:27.40 | AndrewFBlack | so I would change my-swap-file with the name of the swap file? |
| 15:28.29 | johnx | right, but first you should run: swapoff /media/mmc2/.swap |
| 15:29.12 | AndrewFBlack | ok got that part done |
| 15:29.48 | AndrewFBlack | what do I change to tell it how big to make the file? |
| 15:30.01 | johnx | you change the '256' to the size in MB |
| 15:30.36 | AndrewFBlack | whats a good size to make it? |
| 15:30.55 | johnx | really, i'm surprised you're going through 128MB of swap |
| 15:31.04 | johnx | Are you sure that's the problem in the first place? |
| 15:31.18 | AndrewFBlack | not really but I tend to lock my tablet up alot |
| 15:31.18 | johnx | if you really are running out of swap though, then maybe upping it to 256 would be a good start |
| 15:31.28 | johnx | ah, not necessarily out of memory |
| 15:31.44 | lcuk | johnx, some ummm special sites have problems with lots of large images |
| 15:31.55 | qwerty12 | To get a 256MB swap file: swapoff /media/mmc2/.swap ; dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/mmc2/.swap bs=1024 count=256000 ; mkswap /media/mmc2/.swap ; swapon /media/mmc2/.swap |
| 15:31.56 | AndrewFBlack | it might not be I just thought it was worth a try |
| 15:32.07 | lcuk | AndrewFBlack, whats your problem? |
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| 15:32.42 | AndrewFBlack | my tablet runs slow all the time and I lock it up atleast once a day while running several windows of browser or other programs |
| 15:32.51 | AndrewFBlack | I might just be maxing out the processor not sure |
| 15:33.10 | johnx | nah, you're probably right about memory :) |
| 15:33.21 | johnx | do what qwerty12 said :) |
| 15:33.25 | AndrewFBlack | ok |
| 15:36.58 | AndrewFBlack | opps forgot a 0 first try lol |
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| 15:39.47 | AndrewFBlack | I wonder if i need to reflash there are days when the first bar on the Load Applet will be maxed out for a while but when I look at processes running I can't find anything using high % |
| 15:41.36 | AndrewFBlack | now just hope I can fit my wayfinder maps back on there |
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| 15:45.47 | RST38h | Andrew: install and run htop |
| 15:46.21 | RST38h | Andrew: make sure you run it in a large window over ssh connection, to get better view of the cf |
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| 15:48.49 | wazd_n800 | woah, freenode is 12 |
| 15:48.57 | wazd_n800 | 15 years |
| 15:49.53 | wazd_n800 | I was in the kindergarden when it started to worrk) |
| 15:50.01 | StsN800 | 94? eh |
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| 15:51.02 | StsN800 | it started as a channel |
| 15:51.15 | AndrewFBlack | RST38h, I installed it but how do I run it |
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| 15:52.39 | qwerty12 | Any way of verifying if a binary uses maemo-launcher? |
| 15:53.05 | qwerty12 | Bollocks, figured it out. |
| 15:53.16 | lardman | interesting method... |
| 15:54.06 | RST38h | Andrew: "htop" form a terminal |
| 15:54.31 | RST38h | once again feels himself an old fart |
| 15:54.44 | AndrewFBlack | got it running |
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| 15:59.11 | T3rmInAt0r | Hi guys, I would need some help |
| 15:59.28 | T3rmInAt0r | How may I start building deb files for maemo? |
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| 15:59.38 | T3rmInAt0r | (I downloaded the vmware version) |
| 15:59.45 | T3rmInAt0r | (of scratchbox) |
| 15:59.53 | T3rmInAt0r | any tutorials? |
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| 15:59.59 | brad10432 | can someone help me port vnstat |
| 16:00.06 | T3rmInAt0r | (I can't find anything useful on google) |
| 16:00.27 | slonopotamus | johnx, and what do you do to satisfy watchdog? |
| 16:00.40 | qwerty12 | Feed it? |
| 16:00.57 | johnx | kick it |
| 16:01.02 | slonopotamus | johnx, just point me to right package :) |
| 16:01.14 | qwerty12 | johnx, bad man. |
| 16:01.19 | johnx | we leave stuff in initfs running |
| 16:01.45 | johnx | there's a way to kick it through some interface in sys but I don't remember right now |
| 16:01.56 | johnx | and I'm cleaning up my apartment right now :) |
| 16:02.07 | slonopotamus | i see |
| 16:02.25 | qwerty12 | /sys/devices/platform/retu-watchdog/period? |
| 16:03.13 | qwerty12 | smiles in glee as he gets epdfview working with maemo-launcher. He also remembers to run automake as well as autoconf next time. |
| 16:05.12 | slonopotamus | 63 |
| 16:05.15 | slonopotamus | hmm |
| 16:05.16 | slonopotamus | why not 42? |
| 16:05.17 | brad10432 | can any one help me get vnstat working http://packages.debian.org/lenny/armel/vnstat |
| 16:05.31 | slonopotamus | that would have some logic at least |
| 16:05.53 | qwerty12 | A lot of decisions by Nokia don't have logic behind them, why would this one be different? :) |
| 16:06.53 | slonopotamus | qwerty12, heh. they're like ubuntu. maniacal patchers of everything |
| 16:07.13 | qwerty12 | hehe |
| 16:07.15 | slonopotamus | qwerty12, and forkers :) |
| 16:07.56 | slonopotamus | why not send busybox patchees upstream? no, nokia will fork another busybox |
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| 16:19.18 | slonopotamus | johnx, why do you mount rootfs? |
| 16:19.29 | johnx | it's a remount isn't it? |
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| 16:19.57 | slonopotamus | oh, it's commented out |
| 16:20.15 | johnx | honestly Stskeeps did the linuxrc stuff. I handled things ... differently ... in debian when I was doing that |
| 16:20.38 | Stskeeps | it's a hack :P |
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| 16:21.19 | slonopotamus | crazy stuff |
| 16:21.19 | slonopotamus | chroot ${INITFS} /bin/mount -n -t proc none /proc |
| 16:21.25 | slonopotamus | you mount prooc inside initfs? |
| 16:21.55 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 16:22.03 | Stskeeps | to be able to use the initfs stuff |
| 16:22.22 | slonopotamus | hmm |
| 16:22.28 | slonopotamus | like what? |
| 16:22.49 | slonopotamus | maemo doesn't do that and is happy |
| 16:23.28 | Stskeeps | which are you looking at, linuxrc? |
| 16:23.45 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: linuxrc is second half of linuxrc in initfs |
| 16:23.47 | slonopotamus | nope, tablet-init |
| 16:23.50 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 16:23.56 | Stskeeps | tablet-init is a bit wrong |
| 16:24.12 | RST38h | Alaska's volcanoes are not like Hawaii's. 'Most of them don't put out the red river of lava,' said the observatory's John Power. Instead, they typically explode and shoot ash 30,000 to 50,000 feet high more than nine miles into the jet stream |
| 16:24.15 | Stskeeps | don't use it as reference, slonopotamus |
| 16:24.22 | Stskeeps | (it doesn't work currently) |
| 16:24.24 | slonopotamus | i understand linuxrc. it doesn't do anything bad :) |
| 16:24.25 | RST38h | Suprisingly, it is not DailyRotten but Slashdot |
| 16:24.31 | slonopotamus | hehe |
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| 16:25.25 | slonopotamus | hmm |
| 16:25.35 | slonopotamus | you do not use tablet-init? |
| 16:25.55 | slonopotamus | they both call /sbin/init |
| 16:25.55 | Stskeeps | we -will- but tablet-init is for kernel going straight to rootfs |
| 16:25.55 | Stskeeps | without initfs |
| 16:25.57 | Stskeeps | a temporary hack |
| 16:25.59 | slonopotamus | don't tell me you have two inits |
| 16:26.19 | Stskeeps | we sadly have to as upstart may fuck up long enough till watchdog expires |
| 16:26.36 | slonopotamus | hmm |
| 16:26.40 | Stskeeps | so we want to start DSME and such early enough and set time |
| 16:26.43 | Stskeeps | it's not pretty |
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| 16:26.51 | Stskeeps | and not the permanent |
| 16:27.18 | slonopotamus | what stops watchdog from killing device while we are in bootmenu? |
| 16:27.30 | Stskeeps | dsme has started at that point |
| 16:27.55 | slonopotamus | why do you need to start it again? |
| 16:28.22 | qwerty12 | No, dsme is not running at bootmenu time because the tablet gets shut off after 4 mins in usbnet mode |
| 16:28.36 | slonopotamus | 4 mins != 63 |
| 16:28.43 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: eh? |
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| 16:28.59 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, without rd-mode enabled, the tablet does get shut off after about 4 mins. |
| 16:28.59 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: that's the --root-mounted stuff |
| 16:29.04 | Stskeeps | not hw wd |
| 16:29.06 | slonopotamus | crazy stuff :) |
| 16:30.12 | slonopotamus | i don't understand this crazy stuff :) |
| 16:30.23 | qwerty12 | So don't I evidently :) |
| 16:30.46 | slonopotamus | does watchdog reboot tablet when in bootmenu or not? |
| 16:30.53 | johnx | ahaha...I totally didn't understand it even when making debian boot for the first time :) |
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| 16:31.31 | slonopotamus | if not, then why it starts wanting to reboot later? |
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| 16:32.50 | Stskeeps | anyway. the DSME source code is out |
| 16:32.52 | Stskeeps | go look at it! |
| 16:32.53 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:33.04 | slonopotamus | :( |
| 16:33.09 | slonopotamus | you're evil |
| 16:33.16 | r2d2rogers | Should I have to add anything to get the wifi driver to load on boot on the 770/mer |
| 16:33.31 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: no, hal will prolly help with it |
| 16:33.40 | slonopotamus | heck, i'm just poor java programmer :) |
| 16:35.13 | slonopotamus | does dsme do anything useful at all? :) or it is possible to be happy without it? |
| 16:35.23 | Stskeeps | yes, hw wd and thermal checks etc |
| 16:35.42 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: isn't hal running already? |
| 16:35.46 | qwerty12 | If I'm setting the hildon input mode for a password entry box to be HILDON_GTK_INPUT_MODE_INVISIBLE, do I need to specify another mode to go with it? |
| 16:36.27 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: well, does modprobe work? |
| 16:36.43 | slonopotamus | dsmetool looks like ugly start-stop-daemon replacement + renice functionality. am i right? |
| 16:37.04 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: yup |
| 16:37.05 | slonopotamus | hw wd - ? |
| 16:37.12 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: hardware watchdog kicker |
| 16:37.13 | slonopotamus | ah |
| 16:37.19 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: hmm, should modprobe then |
| 16:37.28 | Stskeeps | i think |
| 16:37.54 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, ok. but there isn't watchdog during bootmenu? :) |
| 16:38.28 | slonopotamus | thermal... heh. anyone got his tablet turned off because of hot? |
| 16:39.20 | Stskeeps | it is possible if wifi gets really warm |
| 16:40.06 | slonopotamus | did you have that? |
| 16:40.19 | Stskeeps | possible |
| 16:40.40 | slonopotamus | you do not answer my answer :) |
| 16:41.05 | slonopotamus | err... my question :) |
| 16:41.48 | slonopotamus | hmm... |
| 16:42.05 | slonopotamus | i know what inits watchdog |
| 16:42.18 | slonopotamus | /usr/sbin/kicker in initfs |
| 16:42.26 | Stskeeps | it kicks dsme |
| 16:42.45 | slonopotamus | omg |
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| 16:42.53 | Stskeeps | there's a wide range of WDs really |
| 16:43.00 | slonopotamus | who kills who? you messed up |
| 16:43.13 | Stskeeps | there's SW and HW watchdog |
| 16:43.23 | slonopotamus | do i need them enabled? |
| 16:44.00 | slonopotamus | i don't wannt them |
| 16:44.22 | slonopotamus | they shut down my tablet when they want it, not when i want |
| 16:44.58 | slonopotamus | hw watchdog... i don't believe in it :) |
| 16:45.44 | Stskeeps | it's that or popping battery constantly or potentially run down your battery fatally |
| 16:47.05 | slonopotamus | ok, but that stuff doesn't require any software assistance, no? low battery - so what, poweroff |
| 16:47.56 | slonopotamus | of course software could monitor power level and gracefully shutdown earlier |
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| 16:49.58 | slonopotamus | i bet _you_ start 63 wd when do --root-mounted |
| 16:50.05 | slonopotamus | hehe |
| 16:50.11 | slonopotamus | that will be funny |
| 16:51.39 | slonopotamus | will open boot menu and wait. if it doesn't turn off they i don't need dsme at all |
| 16:53.55 | crashanddie | slonopotamus: drugs are bad |
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| 16:54.17 | slonopotamus | crashanddie, uh? |
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| 16:55.27 | slonopotamus | gone for testing wd, see ya later |
| 17:00.59 | herz1 | has maemo.org just died? |
| 17:01.16 | qwerty12 | nope |
| 17:01.21 | johnx | just slow |
| 17:01.33 | johnx | though I've been having DNS problems for a while |
| 17:01.52 | johnx | is that DDoS against Network Solutions still going on? |
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| 17:04.13 | slonopotamus | hmm |
| 17:04.25 | slonopotamus | turned off after 4 minutes |
| 17:05.12 | slonopotamus | ~curse the bad thing that turned it off |
| 17:05.13 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, the bad thing that turned it off ! |
| 17:05.17 | AStorm | hey guys |
| 17:05.31 | AStorm | I need a nice screenshot app for a lot of screenshots |
| 17:05.37 | AStorm | easy to launch |
| 17:07.05 | slonopotamus | AStorm, osso-statusbar-cpu? |
| 17:07.10 | Stskeeps | notes that facebook cheats you so much when asking to switch your relationship status that the other person needs to confirm |
| 17:07.13 | Stskeeps | it switches without asking :> |
| 17:07.17 | AStorm | slonopotamus: did I mention simple to run? |
| 17:07.18 | Stskeeps | AStorm: load-applet |
| 17:07.26 | AStorm | no, too hard |
| 17:07.36 | AStorm | more like, press a button and have a screen |
| 17:08.36 | slonopotamus | AStorm, press menu item and have a screen :) |
| 17:08.41 | AStorm | too hard! |
| 17:09.15 | johnx | AStorm, sounds like you need to write one yourself :) |
| 17:09.42 | AStorm | heck, any "key launcher" + scrot util... please? |
| 17:09.43 | slonopotamus | you need 'think about it and have a screen'? |
| 17:10.06 | lcuk | astorm, i had the same problem (well mine was a bit more technical) liqbase does screenshots when you press fullscreen now :D its *too* easy, needs to be something similar for normal system (maybe with a bit more of a key combo |
| 17:10.26 | johnx | AStorm, how about something you can ssh in and run from the command line? |
| 17:11.10 | AStorm | ... |
| 17:11.18 | AStorm | scrot would work |
| 17:11.28 | AStorm | even imagemagick |
| 17:11.39 | AStorm | but still need an actual app to launch it by pressing a key |
| 17:11.39 | johnx | I use xwd in mer |
| 17:11.55 | johnx | no idea about that kind of stuff since I have an n800 |
| 17:12.02 | johnx | all my keys are pretty busy :) |
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| 17:13.31 | AStorm | uhh |
| 17:13.35 | Stskeeps | evening zenvoid |
| 17:13.37 | AStorm | even a dpad enter |
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| 17:15.13 | johnx | AStorm, problem is that the focused app will get it. I wonder if our version of matchbox supports keyboard shortcuts... |
| 17:15.23 | AStorm | hmmh |
| 17:15.33 | AStorm | what about grabbing it from X directly? |
| 17:15.43 | AStorm | you can do that with mouse, why not with keyboard? |
| 17:15.45 | AStorm | :P |
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| 17:16.37 | zenvoid | Stskeeps: Hi, if you see opengeekv2 online, can you please tell him that I'm creating system sounds? |
| 17:17.10 | Stskeeps | zenvoid: yep, sure |
| 17:17.34 | Stskeeps | if you want you can probably take responsibility for the item and manage that part |
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| 17:18.16 | Stskeeps | to move it ahead |
| 17:18.16 | zenvoid | uggg... I hate the word "responsability" :-) |
| 17:18.22 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 17:18.31 | Stskeeps | whatever word fits :) |
| 17:18.55 | zenvoid | just trying to do them ;-) |
| 17:19.22 | lardman | Jaffa: any resolution? |
| 17:20.43 | zenvoid | Stskeeps: I've copied the wavs to /usr/share/sounds in a normal maemo diablo, and I'm very happy with them, in fact like them more than the standard ones :) |
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| 17:20.54 | Stskeeps | zenvoid: for now commitments aren't that formal other than the person has indicated he would like to move them along, or something, i guess :P |
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| 17:22.22 | zenvoid | if anyone want to try, just backup your /usr/share/sounds dir and overwrite with this: http://zenvoid.org/tmp/sounds/ |
| 17:22.32 | zenvoid | ui-*.wav |
| 17:23.08 | zenvoid | (have changed since yesterday, so download again) |
| 17:23.17 | qwerty12 | AStorm, do you have an aversion to dirty hacks? |
| 17:24.37 | AStorm | qwerty12: not now |
| 17:24.44 | AStorm | because I need to make a ton of screenshots |
| 17:24.51 | AStorm | and I do mean *need* |
| 17:25.04 | zenvoid | Stskeeps: all sounds are original, either synthesized from scratch or recorded in my personal sound studio |
| 17:25.23 | AndrewFBlack | why whats that link called where you link on folder to another? |
| 17:25.28 | lcuk | astorm, theres a vnc recorder somewhere |
| 17:27.16 | qwerty12 | AStorm, In gconf, change /apps/osso/keybindings/global/osso-global-search to the button you want to map the screenshot function to (I chose "left" for testing). After that, mv /usr/bin/osso-global-search /usr/bin/osso-global-search1 and then vi /usr/bin/osso-global-search and make a script that runs your favourite screenshot app (for me, it was "fbgrab /media/mmc2/`echo $RANDOM`.png") and chmod +x it |
| 17:27.21 | AStorm | lcuk: uhhh |
| 17:27.25 | AStorm | vnc on n810? |
| 17:27.31 | qwerty12 | When you press the button assigned, it will run the command in that script |
| 17:27.43 | AStorm | qwerty12: thanks! |
| 17:27.51 | AStorm | do we have a build of scrot? |
| 17:28.03 | qwerty12 | Coming up, my sbox is idle :) |
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| 17:32.40 | qwerty12 | AStorm, http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/swagga/ |
| 17:33.05 | AStorm | qwerty12: btw, care to share your way of setting up sbox? (v1 or v2?) |
| 17:33.29 | qwerty12 | AStorm, I'm on Ubuntu so the script does the work for me :) |
| 17:33.42 | AStorm | ahh |
| 17:33.55 | AStorm | I'm going to grab a beefy laptop with VT |
| 17:34.03 | AStorm | so might as well run Ubuntu in a kvm |
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| 17:38.40 | wazd | battery low sound is total overkill xD |
| 17:39.13 | wazd | It's like "you'll be dead soon" :) |
| 17:39.48 | zenvoid | haha, it was just my intention :) |
| 17:40.57 | zenvoid | Stskeeps: I'm unable to post to jaiku mer channel |
| 17:41.37 | lardman | I've got a gstreamer image sink widget in a notebook, after I change tab the image vanishes, any thoughts as to what I've setup wrongly? |
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| 17:41.41 | wazd | And there's no connection with Mer thematics |
| 17:41.51 | wazd | Like sea or water |
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| 17:41.55 | wazd | or something else |
| 17:42.15 | wazd | I thought sounds to be smooth, calm :) |
| 17:43.35 | johnx | sounds like we should have more than one sound theme :) |
| 17:43.54 | zenvoid | opengeekv2 was trying to record sea sounds... |
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| 17:44.33 | wazd | zenvoid: nice |
| 17:45.17 | zenvoid | they will be probably lower quality since they will be recorded with a laptop |
| 17:46.02 | zenvoid | unfortunately I can move the recording studio to the beach ;-) |
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| 17:46.20 | zenvoid | s/can/can't/ |
| 17:46.48 | zenvoid | hates infobot |
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| 17:53.05 | AndrewFBlack | I wonder if http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXLauncher would work on tablet? |
| 17:55.01 | johnx | AndrewFBlack, there should be a screenshot of it running in deblet |
| 17:55.53 | AndrewFBlack | so I should be able to get it to work on easy debain as well |
| 17:56.04 | johnx | yes, very likely |
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| 17:59.27 | ccooke | AndrewFBlack: looks like it should work |
| 18:00.21 | AndrewFBlack | yeah i found some posts on it but can't find a deb for it and I suck and installing things from sources |
| 18:01.02 | qwerty12 | If your aim is to install this in easy debian, then apt-get install lxlauncher should work in the debian chroot |
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| 18:08.41 | AndrewFBlack | would I get best proformace from running Deblet or Easy Debian? |
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| 18:13.47 | AndrewFBlack | nice got it to work |
| 18:14.37 | RST38h | Andrew: Have you resolved that 100% cpu load problem? |
| 18:14.37 | AndrewFBlack | larger page file seemed to help some times i think i just have to many windows open |
| 18:14.47 | AndrewFBlack | swap file I mean |
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| 18:15.08 | qwerty12 | reprimands AndrewFBlack for thinking in windows |
| 18:15.59 | AndrewFBlack | qwerty12, I can't help it windows is just to easy, I havn't been able to pry my self sway from it on my desktops/laptops |
| 18:16.29 | qwerty12 | hehe :p |
| 18:16.34 | RST38h | Andrew: Personally, I am experiencing bad delays when scrolling in mediabox or canola |
| 18:17.18 | RST38h | Andrew: 2-3 hours and the problem will resolve itself as battery runs out and windows laptop dies =) |
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| 18:17.38 | AndrewFBlack | RST38h, I don't use media players much mainly I surf the web but I tend to have 6 or so browers open lol |
| 18:18.13 | Stskeeps | zenvoid: it messes up occasionally |
| 18:18.22 | AndrewFBlack | well I have linux install on every computer I own but I just installed windows home server on my in house server and it got me hook to windows again |
| 18:18.40 | qwerty12 | Anyone have any examples of getting a program to run with a file when launched over DBUS (i.e opened when user pressed Open in download screen in Browser) like most cli programs do when running "program file.ext"? |
| 18:19.02 | RST38h | Andrew: Should be harmless unless they are constantly running some JS |
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| 18:21.12 | AndrewFBlack | Normally I have itT, Gmail, and several other browers open pidgin and xchat and I seem to get alot of lag on the device I wonder if its because I havn't reflashed since i get diablo but I've been screwing with tablle talot |
| 18:21.32 | Stskeeps | yawns |
| 18:21.36 | lcuk | AndrewFBlack, that sounds like the windows way "I havent reformatted in a while" |
| 18:22.00 | lcuk | i last installed my desktop os in 2005 |
| 18:22.20 | lcuk | but in your case, you might be right |
| 18:22.26 | AndrewFBlack | well I've installed about 3 web servers and unstalled them, I installed rotate a few times and uninstalled them I thought that might mess it up |
| 18:22.53 | lcuk | qwerty12, you mean binary execution or mime identification and "edit" |
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| 18:23.17 | lcuk | AndrewFBlack, do you have flash running |
| 18:23.26 | lcuk | cos its a known killer on lots of tabs |
| 18:23.36 | AndrewFBlack | in browers? Sometimes |
| 18:23.52 | johnx | try disabling it except when you really need it |
| 18:23.58 | lcuk | try disabling it for a while and see if it improves |
| 18:24.00 | johnx | lots of ads use it |
| 18:24.15 | AndrewFBlack | I have add block running so I don't see many adds |
| 18:24.18 | AndrewFBlack | ads |
| 18:24.25 | Stskeeps | johnx: how's it going? |
| 18:24.38 | johnx | Stskeeps, pretty good. just building a new h-d-e and f-b-w |
| 18:25.05 | johnx | then going to sleep and up early to look at robots downtown tomorrow :) |
| 18:25.14 | johnx | early = weekend early = noon |
| 18:25.42 | Stskeeps | alright |
| 18:25.57 | Stskeeps | zenvoid: i got the #mer post |
| 18:26.02 | johnx | looks at the 0.7 sprint |
| 18:26.24 | Stskeeps | it's looking good so far |
| 18:26.42 | zenvoid | Stskeeps: oh, sorry, it was my fault, too many characters... it works ;-) |
| 18:26.51 | johnx | I think I can close that top 'coral action item' in a sec :) |
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| 18:28.27 | Stskeeps | coral? tomato :P |
| 18:28.35 | qwerty12 | lcuk, thanks but I got it now :). I just need to add an handler for mime_open message :) |
| 18:28.49 | johnx | Stskeeps, crappy 18bit monitor here. :P |
| 18:29.03 | johnx | though I wouldn't eat a tomato that color... |
| 18:29.27 | Stskeeps | true |
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| 18:29.50 | Stskeeps | was cursor detection added to f-b-w? |
| 18:30.02 | johnx | yes, that's the latest reason for a rebuild :) |
| 18:30.14 | Stskeeps | k |
| 18:30.23 | johnx | I fixed swap and wallpaper and forgot it...but it's being built now |
| 18:31.46 | lcuk | qwerty12, cool, keep the code in your mind when you get it - i might have a use for it later :) |
| 18:31.46 | AndrewFBlack | you know whats funny is I really don't care about running debian apps I just hate the way hildon looks which is why I installed easy debian |
| 18:32.03 | lcuk | was just gonna get you the binary execute code |
| 18:32.11 | Stskeeps | AndrewFBlack: after a while hildon makes sense on tablets though |
| 18:32.11 | qwerty12 | :) |
| 18:32.37 | johnx | AndrewFBlack, from an aesthetic point of view or a usability point of view? |
| 18:33.14 | AndrewFBlack | aestethic lol, but I think something like lxde with lxlauncher would be better then hildon in both aesthetic and usability |
| 18:33.59 | johnx | AndrewFBlack, what type of situation do you use your tablet? and do you use your fingers or a stylus? |
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| 18:34.19 | AndrewFBlack | both but I tend to use stylus more I think |
| 18:34.24 | johnx | (sorry for the 20 questions. just curious about this kind of stuff :) ) |
| 18:34.55 | AndrewFBlack | wife fusses at me because i keep my stylus in my mouth most of the time inbetween using it and typing |
| 18:35.13 | Stskeeps | johnx: i'll quickly test f-b-w |
| 18:35.21 | Stskeeps | for x86 |
| 18:35.28 | johnx | ah, great |
| 18:36.05 | johnx | hmm...I should keep a clean x86 virtualbox image around for testing... |
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| 18:37.00 | Stskeeps | it makes things a hell lot easier |
| 18:37.12 | Stskeeps | vmdk is good too |
| 18:37.15 | Stskeeps | 182mb zipped :) |
| 18:37.42 | AndrewFBlack | I guess running lxde in debian chroot shouldn't be any slower then having away to run it right on top of maemo |
| 18:38.00 | Stskeeps | i would just apt-get install gdm or something and remove auto-startx :P |
| 18:39.04 | Stskeeps | (.. in mer) |
| 18:39.18 | Stskeeps | ow |
| 18:39.22 | johnx | eep? |
| 18:39.35 | Stskeeps | johnx: line 118 unterminated quoted string |
| 18:39.37 | Stskeeps | in f-b-w |
| 18:39.42 | johnx | aaaugh |
| 18:40.07 | Stskeeps | ah. |
| 18:40.09 | Stskeeps | swap detection |
| 18:40.13 | Stskeeps | you rely on the machine having mmc |
| 18:41.48 | Stskeeps | it fails at trying to find /dev/mmcblk? |
| 18:42.38 | johnx | it shouldn't kill the script though |
| 18:43.49 | johnx | hmm...I'd test but my n800 isn't charging ... |
| 18:43.56 | Stskeeps | mm, i commented out the swap thing and it goes through |
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| 18:48.54 | johnx | nope. not the missing mmc device...just a missing " |
| 18:48.57 | Stskeeps | k |
| 18:51.58 | johnx | after .7 I'll change how it searches for swap to be more platform independent. any objections to it being mmc-only for 0.7? |
| 18:52.11 | johnx | mainly swap is only needed for devices with 64MB of RAM |
| 18:52.41 | Stskeeps | that's fine |
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| 19:00.53 | RST38h | Ooooohhh, finally: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/01/missile_silo_apple_logo2_01.jpg |
| 19:01.51 | johnx | Who's iCBM? |
| 19:02.01 | Stskeeps | commodore? |
| 19:02.02 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:04.11 | Stskeeps | we so have to get OpenTTD going on Mer.. |
| 19:04.33 | Stskeeps | that said, i probably had quite a bit of wine tonight :P |
| 19:04.42 | herz1 | does anyone have issues logging in on maemo.org (eg. to add a new application)? |
| 19:05.00 | johnx | Stskeeps, that'll be me tomorrow night :) |
| 19:05.41 | Stskeeps | fiancée passed her masters thesis defense so :) |
| 19:05.52 | johnx | ah, good news :) |
| 19:06.10 | johnx | so, did she beat you to it? |
| 19:06.17 | Stskeeps | yeah, she is 2 masters degrees ahead of me |
| 19:06.24 | johnx | gah O_o |
| 19:06.26 | johnx | insanity |
| 19:06.46 | Stskeeps | sometimes i wonder how on earth i managed to get someone both cute and intelligent |
| 19:06.49 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:08.49 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, she's a spy. |
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| 19:09.02 | johnx | well, I think you're both insane, so I'm sure you'll be very happy together :) |
| 19:09.02 | RST38h | johnx: Steve Jobs is probably preparing a will...of a kind |
| 19:09.24 | RST38h | GAN: Spying for whom? =) |
| 19:09.40 | johnx | RST38h, might not be a missile at all. Might just be his ticket off this rock to rejoin his brethren in space |
| 19:10.02 | RST38h | johnx: ...who are gonna cure him and make him superhuman |
| 19:10.03 | johnx | I mean that iMac 'puck' mouse should have been everyone's first clue |
| 19:10.12 | RST38h | he isn't a scientolog, is he? |
| 19:10.22 | wazd | Stskeeps: fiancée <- do you have russian layout?) |
| 19:10.28 | johnx | nope. probably just a scientologist |
| 19:10.34 | Stskeeps | wazd: nah, dead ´ |
| 19:10.37 | Stskeeps | so i can do accents |
| 19:10.47 | Stskeeps | (dk layout) |
| 19:11.12 | wazd | Stskeeps: well, it shows é to me :) |
| 19:11.20 | RST38h | wazd: He is European, American barbarians will just use "fiancee" =) |
| 19:12.04 | Stskeeps | or i actually had british english and french in school |
| 19:12.05 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:12.06 | slonopotamus_ | what's mce? |
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| 19:12.34 | GAN800 | machine control entity |
| 19:12.59 | wazd | I don't know how to type accents so I'm a Barbarian I think xD |
| 19:13.04 | slonopotamus | err... what's its main purpose? |
| 19:13.20 | RST38h | johnx: Well, iMac was nothing compared to this: http://www.amazon.com/Harman-SoundSticks-II-Multimedia-Speaker/dp/B0001DBEM4/ref=dp_cp_ob_e_image_0 |
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| 19:13.46 | RST38h | wazd: Europeans have got a special accented charset for that =) |
| 19:13.51 | RST38h | cp1252 I think |
| 19:13.58 | wazd | RST38h: ah) |
| 19:14.01 | jaska | cp1252 is just the usual windows charset |
| 19:14.27 | jaska | i never bother with accented chars beyond the finnish ä ö umlauts |
| 19:14.54 | RST38h | johnx: Can you imagine all kinds of evil experiments that can be inflicted on a mac user with these? |
| 19:15.08 | RST38h | jaska: not for everybody |
| 19:15.12 | lcuk | meh! im too tired |
| 19:15.24 | GAN800 | slono, hardware control. Backlight, screen, touchscreen, keys, wifi, bt, leds. |
| 19:15.26 | johnx | RST38h, subjecting them to crappy sounding music maybe? *shrugs* |
| 19:15.27 | RST38h | jaska: as far as I am concerned, cp1251 is the usual |
| 19:15.35 | jaska | ah.. i mix those two up |
| 19:15.52 | RST38h | johnx: I can't believe that is ALL you can come up with =) |
| 19:16.04 | johnx | RST38h, must be tired :P |
| 19:16.04 | jaska | then again, im just a finnish barbarian :D |
| 19:16.08 | RST38h | jaska: you are not |
| 19:16.57 | RST38h | jaska: cp1252 is what EU generally gets. But it has no cyrillics, so most Russians (inside .RU and outside) use cp1251 instead |
| 19:17.09 | slonopotamus | GAN800, via dbus? |
| 19:17.46 | slonopotamus | GAN800, it is a dbus -> hardware bridge, right? |
| 19:18.37 | johnx | eep...forgot build-x86 for h-d-e |
| 19:18.50 | slonopotamus | RST38h, russians use unicode :) only russian windows uses cp1251 |
| 19:18.53 | johnx | luckily I was only competing for builder time with myself |
| 19:19.16 | RST38h | slono: Even in the Unix console? :) |
| 19:19.27 | slonopotamus | uh... |
| 19:19.31 | RST38h | slono: and in your filenames too? =) |
| 19:19.36 | johnx | uses a UTF8 console :) |
| 19:19.38 | slonopotamus | unix console is a pain |
| 19:20.09 | RST38h | slono: naah, you set it to koi8 or cp1251 and it works like a charm |
| 19:20.21 | slonopotamus | i mean alt+f1, etc. it's 8-bit |
| 19:20.50 | slonopotamus | however who uses it these days... |
| 19:21.36 | slonopotamus | and if someone does (for example, if x crashed), he doesn't need russian letters |
| 19:21.52 | RST38h | uses it, sshing to a remote host |
| 19:21.57 | RST38h | From, heh, Windows! |
| 19:22.01 | slonopotamus | no-no |
| 19:22.09 | johnx | RST38h, he means the actual VT |
| 19:22.16 | tekonivel | it seems to me that even idle programs consume battery power on my m800, am i hallucinating |
| 19:22.17 | RST38h | Ah, he means the physical console |
| 19:22.17 | slonopotamus | if you're in x, then all is utf-8 |
| 19:22.18 | tekonivel | ? |
| 19:22.21 | slonopotamus | yees |
| 19:22.24 | slonopotamus | physical |
| 19:22.27 | johnx | RST38h, well, not that either :P |
| 19:22.51 | RST38h | tekonivel: they well may |
| 19:22.51 | RST38h | slono: there are also ssh users |
| 19:23.07 | tekonivel | RST38h: i left pdf reader open, and the battery seemed to be depleting quite rapidly |
| 19:23.21 | johnx | I think his point is that ssh and xterm are 'terminal emulators' not actually the 'linux console' |
| 19:23.24 | RST38h | tekonivel: depending on whether the program is waiting for some event *or* waiting for timer and waking up every few seconds |
| 19:23.28 | slonopotamus | everything but physical console is ok with utf-8 |
| 19:23.29 | tekonivel | bluetooth was off (it takes quite a bit of juice) |
| 19:23.39 | RST38h | johnx: doesn't matter as far as charsets are concerned |
| 19:24.00 | tekonivel | RST38h: i guess the pdf reader is waiting for input events, so that might be the reason |
| 19:24.25 | r2d2rogers | Anyonw know the command line command for the network connections dialog in Mer? |
| 19:24.32 | slonopotamus | rst38h, it does matter |
| 19:24.41 | RST38h | tekonivel: only if it does so improperly :) |
| 19:24.43 | johnx | r2d2rogers, nm-applet |
| 19:24.59 | johnx | ah, or the dialog itself |
| 19:25.01 | johnx | one sec |
| 19:25.04 | RST38h | slono: utf-8 is pretty much broken for me, even on ssh |
| 19:25.08 | tekonivel | better learn to shut down programs |
| 19:25.22 | tekonivel | or recharge daily |
| 19:25.52 | r2d2rogers | yeah the dialog... |
| 19:26.05 | r2d2rogers | it's not letting my hit apply, suspectiong permissions |
| 19:26.07 | johnx | r2d2rogers, nm-connection-editor |
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| 19:28.55 | r2d2rogers | johnx: thanks |
| 19:29.04 | r2d2rogers | seeing invalid setting for wireless security |
| 19:29.48 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 19:29.55 | Stskeeps | WPA patch needed probabl |
| 19:29.56 | Stskeeps | y |
| 19:30.06 | r2d2rogers | but I think I have wireless mostly there now |
| 19:30.18 | r2d2rogers | the modules from OS2008HE DO seem to work... |
| 19:30.23 | r2d2rogers | I just wasn't using them right |
| 19:30.54 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: k - prolly need to compile them to add properly wireless extensions and such |
| 19:30.58 | Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/cx3110.txt is a patch i use to get WPA and such going |
| 19:32.35 | r2d2rogers | am I right in thinking I need the kernel source available also? |
| 19:33.03 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, smart patch :) |
| 19:33.41 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: yeah and cx3110x source :P |
| 19:33.48 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: i was astonished it worked |
| 19:34.03 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: I do have that <G> |
| 19:34.08 | r2d2rogers | and some patches.. |
| 19:34.30 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, that's what they name hacking :) |
| 19:34.58 | johnx | that's a patch? |
| 19:35.34 | johnx | looks more like a vague suggestion... |
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| 19:36.07 | Stskeeps | johnx: so are patches usually |
| 19:36.08 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 19:36.31 | johnx | seriously though...you can apply that with /usr/bin/patch? |
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| 19:36.48 | woglinde | hi |
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| 19:37.00 | woglinde | hm I got openjdk compiled |
| 19:37.50 | Stskeeps | johnx: nah |
| 19:38.05 | brdusr | please anyone can help me to flash my 810 to diablo ??? |
| 19:38.08 | Stskeeps | with a bit of syntax, maybe |
| 19:38.11 | johnx | Stskeeps, ah, ok. I feel better about the world |
| 19:38.12 | Stskeeps | ~flashing |
| 19:38.14 | infobot | flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 19:38.16 | Stskeeps | -> brdusr |
| 19:38.20 | brdusr | thank you |
| 19:40.02 | slonopotamus | woglinde, for arm? |
| 19:40.18 | brdusr | hmm cant find a step by step how to for linux any known other links ??? |
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| 19:40.52 | Stskeeps | brdusr: that is the most preciseone.. |
| 19:41.03 | Stskeeps | and "???"'s are so 90's. |
| 19:41.47 | brdusr | hmm yes but im using ubuntu and dont know witch tool i have to use for flashing my tablet |
| 19:42.00 | qwerty12_N800 | ¿¿¿'s are 2009 |
| 19:42.36 | johnx | brdusr, you need flasher-3.0 |
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| 19:42.47 | johnx | there is a link on the page to download it |
| 19:42.54 | brdusr | ok thank you :-) |
| 19:45.10 | woglinde | ~flasher |
| 19:45.11 | infobot | it has been said that flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher |
| 19:45.23 | johnx | I should knock together a GUI flasher for linux based on zenity... |
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| 19:47.56 | lcuk | johnx, if you do, couple ot with DSL and make a mini livecd for people :) |
| 19:48.12 | lcuk | tablet recovery/assistance tools |
| 19:48.27 | johnx | lcuk, for people who have computers but no operating system? |
| 19:48.51 | lcuk | for people who have windows but want more control than the windows flasher |
| 19:49.11 | johnx | if I make a flashing 'GUI' it will do one thing: flash whatever firmware image you select |
| 19:49.11 | qwerty12_N800 | For people who want to use the numerous features provided by the linux flasher that are not in the windows one |
| 19:49.22 | lcuk | +1 |
| 19:49.38 | lcuk | mind you, those people are nearly at linux on desktop stage anyway |
| 19:50.07 | johnx | I don't see any reason to make a GUI to do things that people who are afraid of the command line probably shouldn't be doing.. |
| 19:50.11 | brdusr | OS 2008 version 5.2008.43-7 <-- is this the last stable version? |
| 19:50.28 | slonopotamus | what do i need to see text console on n8x0? fb_update_mode, chvt 1? |
| 19:50.35 | qwerty12_N800 | brdusr, yer |
| 19:50.42 | brdusr | thx :-) |
| 19:50.58 | johnx | slonopotamus, and some modules. search 'remove bootsplash' on itt |
| 19:51.15 | slonopotamus | johnx, k |
| 19:52.06 | RST38h | slono <-- got excited by the console talk earlier =) |
| 19:52.37 | slonopotamus | nope, just trying to see what my gentoo is doing |
| 19:52.48 | RST38h | ah |
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| 19:53.25 | slonopotamus | and i think it's doing |
| 19:53.59 | slonopotamus | because otherwise i'd get 'could not boot from bla-bla-bla, booting from flash' from bootmenu |
| 19:54.23 | slonopotamus | too many froms... |
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| 19:56.31 | slonopotamus | i bet needed modules are not avaiilable in initfs :) |
| 19:56.40 | johnx | correct |
| 19:56.45 | johnx | need to grab them or compile them |
| 19:56.46 | slonopotamus | hehe |
| 19:56.48 | qwerty12_N800 | nope, you add them yourself |
| 19:57.20 | slonopotamus | nokia becomespredictable :) |
| 19:57.40 | slonopotamus | s/becomespredictable/becomes predictable/ |
| 19:59.55 | slonopotamus | why clear screen is white, not black? :) |
| 20:00.54 | slonopotamus | hmm... instead of CONFIG_FB_MANUAL_UPDATE=y i can use fb_update_mode, right? |
| 20:01.05 | johnx | yes |
| 20:01.07 | qwerty12_N800 | yp |
| 20:01.15 | qwerty12_N800 | s/yp/yep/ |
| 20:03.50 | brdusr | ok i download the maemo image bin file and this file: flasher-3.0.amd64 ... how i use this file, because sudo flasher-3.0.amd64 dosnt work |
| 20:04.05 | qwerty12_N800 | chmod +x |
| 20:04.18 | brdusr | ok |
| 20:04.50 | qwerty12_N800 | chmod +x flasher-3.0.amd64 I guess then... |
| 20:06.00 | brdusr | i make this +x but nothing runs ... command not found oO |
| 20:06.15 | johnx | are you sure you're using a 64-bit linux distro? |
| 20:06.22 | brdusr | shure |
| 20:06.31 | qwerty12_N800 | ./flasher-3.0.amd64 ? |
| 20:06.37 | brdusr | ubuntu 8.10 amd64 |
| 20:06.51 | brdusr | oh i try it mom |
| 20:07.24 | brdusr | yes it runs ... thank you ery much |
| 20:07.25 | *** join/#maemo Meiz_n810 (n=Meizirkk@bbwirelessgw2-fee7dc00-167.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 20:07.44 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: sorry it took so long.. |
| 20:07.49 | Meiz_n810 | latest mer works great |
| 20:08.02 | Meiz_n810 | but still no Fn key.. |
| 20:08.13 | slonopotamus | does it run on chvt 1 in bootmenu? x switches to chvt 2, right? |
| 20:08.49 | johnx | slonopotamus, the boot messages should be on vt 1 |
| 20:09.24 | slonopotamus | good |
| 20:09.24 | slonopotamus | looks like i groked it :) |
| 20:09.39 | slonopotamus | much simpler than crazy wd stuff |
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| 20:10.26 | andrewfblack4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:12.18 | RST38h | waits for someone to boot FreeBSD on NIT |
| 20:12.44 | johnx | RST38h, goodluckwiththat |
| 20:12.54 | slonopotamus | how i put files into initfs? hack initfs_flasher? |
| 20:13.14 | johnx | mount -o rw,remount /mnt/initfs ; cp foo /mnt/initfs/ |
| 20:13.26 | brdusr | witch one is the "SWAP" Button on the 810 ??? |
| 20:13.26 | RST38h | sorry for a possibly stupid question but can't you mount initfs image? |
| 20:13.27 | johnx | might need to free some space first |
| 20:13.43 | RST38h | brduser: two intersecting squares |
| 20:13.45 | johnx | brdusr, the button left of the screen with two boxes |
| 20:13.51 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, yes, i've done it before & made new images |
| 20:13.55 | brdusr | thank you :-) |
| 20:15.40 | keesj | RST38h: I colleage of mine stated porting bsd kernel to beagle |
| 20:15.50 | RST38h | qwerty: If you were the one who uploaded Othello port to Extras, check that it updates all the icons properly - it shows the default icon in the menu |
| 20:15.53 | brdusr | """USB device not found, waiting""" how long i have to push the swap button because nothing happens |
| 20:16.02 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, not mine |
| 20:16.03 | RST38h | ~10-15 seconds |
| 20:16.09 | RST38h | qwerty: ok =) |
| 20:16.16 | slonopotamus | johnx, cheater! |
| 20:16.20 | RST38h | keesj: Yes, yessssss! |
| 20:16.20 | johnx | brdusr, does it show the usb icon on the n810 screen |
| 20:16.34 | brdusr | the screen is black |
| 20:16.44 | johnx | brdusr, is it on? |
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| 20:16.56 | brdusr | no Oo |
| 20:16.58 | RST38h | brdusr: something is wrong then |
| 20:17.00 | RST38h | got it? |
| 20:17.12 | johnx | brdusr, did you press the 'on' button? |
| 20:17.36 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, you want Till Haurbaum (Master of Gizmo on itt) :) |
| 20:17.40 | brdusr | no the wiki says ... push the swap button |
| 20:18.07 | johnx | brdusr, "switch on your tablet while holding the..." |
| 20:18.44 | brdusr | oh ok ... |
| 20:19.40 | johnx | RST38h, so what are you planning to run on BSD? |
| 20:19.45 | brdusr | USB device found found at bus 001, device address 013 |
| 20:19.45 | brdusr | Error claiming USB interface: Operation not permitted |
| 20:19.45 | brdusr | alpha@f7:~$ |
| 20:19.46 | brdusr | oO |
| 20:19.52 | brdusr | what happend? |
| 20:19.55 | qwerty12_N800 | Run with sudo |
| 20:20.21 | GAN800 | crashanddie's new role is the ray of sanity on the lists. |
| 20:22.09 | brdusr | yes it runs :-D your all Great --- thank you so much !!! |
| 20:22.28 | qwerty12_N800 | no problem :) |
| 20:22.36 | johnx | brdusr, glad to hear :) |
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| 20:24.24 | brdusr | wow realy fast ... i believed it will takes min. 30minutes but all have done ... wow |
| 20:24.31 | RST38h | qwerty: thanks, I will harass them next time I see him on itt =) |
| 20:24.43 | GAN800 | starts stabbing people using Freemantle. |
| 20:24.47 | RST38h | johnx: just want a reliable kernel and userland I am used to |
| 20:25.03 | RST38h | installs Elephanta on GAN800 |
| 20:25.06 | johnx | RST38h, so you'll just stick with command line tools? |
| 20:25.22 | RST38h | johnx: Naah, it should run all the gtk stuff just fine |
| 20:25.30 | qwerty12_N800 | W@Nt$ f®â¬â¬M@Ntle now |
| 20:25.52 | johnx | RST38h, so you're going to do the 'mer' equivalent for bsd? :D |
| 20:26.08 | RST38h | johnx: I *wish* for the mer equivalent of BSD |
| 20:26.23 | johnx | GAN800, just be glad they skipped Elephants and went straight for Freemantle |
| 20:26.35 | GAN800 | stabs johnx |
| 20:26.41 | RST38h | johnx: not going to do it though, haven't slept much for the last years as things are |
| 20:26.50 | RST38h | likes the E-word |
| 20:27.16 | johnx | RST38h, you might be pleasantly surprised with the sanity level of a very cut-down ubuntu |
| 20:27.31 | lcuk | :D elephanta wouldv been a phone. we were destined to make trunk calls with it |
| 20:27.41 | johnx | gaaah |
| 20:27.43 | johnx | dies |
| 20:29.58 | woglinde | uh |
| 20:30.00 | woglinde | ./openjdk-/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-o/bin/java -version |
| 20:30.01 | woglinde | java version "1.6.0_0" |
| 20:30.01 | woglinde | IcedTea6 1.3.1 Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_0-b12) |
| 20:30.01 | woglinde | OpenJDK Core VM (build 1.6.0_0-b12, interpreted mode) |
| 20:30.08 | woglinde | sorry for spam |
| 20:30.11 | johnx | very cool :) |
| 20:30.18 | lcuk | thats not spam |
| 20:30.22 | johnx | so what kind of apps does that get us? |
| 20:30.34 | woglinde | have to test |
| 20:30.40 | woglinde | whats running |
| 20:30.50 | woglinde | but the jre is around 80 mb |
| 20:30.57 | lcuk | why does my mind not want to work tonight |
| 20:30.59 | RST38h | johnx: Ubuntu is the first Linux I can use without throwing up at regular basis |
| 20:31.36 | johnx | RST38h, You'd probably really like debian in that case |
| 20:31.44 | RST38h | johnx: The weird part is, I could even TELL what was wrong with each previous distribution, down to very low level detail |
| 20:31.53 | RST38h | johnx: Maybe, skipped over it |
| 20:32.20 | RST38h | johnx: The first one I have ever seen was RedHat (circa 1996). It paniced on failed DNS lookup =) |
| 20:32.20 | johnx | RST38h, imagine a version of ubuntu that didn't get in your way quite as much |
| 20:32.49 | RST38h | johnx: Ubuntu does not, I am old now, not interested in borking operating system |
| 20:32.50 | johnx | sorry to any RH fans...but, every version of redhat I tried was a disaster |
| 20:33.05 | RST38h | johnx: Oh, yes, RedHat fucked me up pretty consistently |
| 20:33.37 | RST38h | johnx: Ate parts of my PhD thesis once (enterprise version of redhat with corporate support contract had the latest kernel that was incompatible with nfs) |
| 20:33.40 | johnx | me too. I admin'ed some RHCE4 server in a past life |
| 20:34.01 | RST38h | johnx: it also had 3-4 different admin toolsets, none of them usable :) |
| 20:34.11 | johnx | debuntu is the only thing I've found that can apply updates sanely |
| 20:34.30 | johnx | and that's really debian more than ubuntu :) |
| 20:34.40 | RST38h | johnx: Now, SuSE killed my MBR once. Had to edit it MANUALLY because neither Linux nor Windows FDISK could fix it |
| 20:35.03 | RST38h | johnx: SuSE installation program had a mistake |
| 20:35.15 | johnx | nice |
| 20:35.25 | RST38h | johnx: Also, it copied audio drivers into /tmp but did not install them |
| 20:35.41 | RST38h | johnx: and required full kernel sources just to compile Hello World |
| 20:35.58 | RST38h | and did not install libg++ and appropriate headers |
| 20:36.00 | woglinde | rst better stay with vms |
| 20:36.13 | RST38h | woglinde: VMS was ok by comparison |
| 20:36.55 | RST38h | woglinde: I hope you mean the DEC VMS, not similarly named IBM abomination |
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| 20:37.11 | woglinde | rst I meant vms from DEC yes |
| 20:37.21 | GAN800 | Hi, qgil |
| 20:37.23 | woglinde | from ibm i5os rockz |
| 20:37.36 | RST38h | woglinde: No problem at all. A little bit weird to see version numbers in file names, but pretty decent otherwise |
| 20:38.01 | RST38h | woglinde: Just in case you wonder, preceding RT-11 was also fine. |
| 20:38.33 | lardman | hi qgil |
| 20:38.37 | lardman | hi chaps |
| 20:38.48 | RST38h | moo lardman |
| 20:38.53 | lardman | moooo |
| 20:38.56 | qwerty12_N800 | hi lardman |
| 20:39.01 | woglinde | hi lardman |
| 20:39.13 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: you saying candles and n900 doens't go? ;) |
| 20:39.19 | lardman | hey woglinde |
| 20:39.45 | j1nyc | has anybody here tried to use Squish on the maemo? |
| 20:39.47 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman, well, I was thinking more about the camera... |
| 20:39.53 | qgil | hi there |
| 20:40.28 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: I guess that mode will disable the LEDs and shutter sounds too ;) |
| 20:40.46 | qwerty12_N800 | One would hope so... |
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| 20:41.41 | lardman | qgil: what brings you lurking here at this time of the evening? :) |
| 20:41.42 | lcuk | they wanna make silent cameras illegal in america. |
| 20:41.44 | johnx | j1nyc, what is squish? |
| 20:41.53 | lardman | lcuk: like in Japan? |
| 20:42.03 | lcuk | yeah, but i wonder how it would work in video mode |
| 20:42.17 | qgil | lardman: that's a good question, as if I wouldn't have enough Maemo at this point of the week. :) |
| 20:42.24 | johnx | it just yells "I'm taking a video of yoooouuuu!" over and over |
| 20:42.28 | j1nyc | johnx: squish is an automated testing tool for Qt (among other things) |
| 20:42.35 | lardman | lcuk: you have the 35mm reel noise, tick-a-tick-a-tick-a-tick-a-tick |
| 20:42.39 | lcuk | passes out beer and BLTs to the hardworking maemo ppl |
| 20:42.46 | lcuk | heh yeah |
| 20:42.49 | lardman | qgil: :) |
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| 20:43.45 | lcuk | quim, did you ever find a movie download service you liked? |
| 20:45.42 | qgil | lcuk: well, no. I gues isohunt doesn't count but I can say I tried |
| 20:45.56 | qgil | public library and videoclub keeps me in the bright side, I guess |
| 20:46.00 | lcuk | lol |
| 20:47.20 | lcuk | :) it would be good to have a favorite movies list for us all to pitch into and send dvds around |
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| 20:47.35 | GAN800 | Netflix is good for streaming |
| 20:47.36 | qgil | I was attempting to think on how to combine the selected Fremantle Stars with http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Collaboration_infrastructure and http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26147 to create a good collaboration environment about those projects - but my brain is only useful at this point for chats and microblogging |
| 20:48.36 | t_s_o | this must be a silly thing im doing, copying everything from sd card in N800 via usb onto a new, larger sd card in a usb card reader... |
| 20:48.53 | lardman | use the stars to demonstrate the use of the infrastructure/community coop? |
| 20:49.05 | lcuk | qgil, i was thinking of expanding slightly and collaborating with another project i feel passionately about. the barcode application is a natural extension to having the camera on (which liqbase will do quickly and freely) im wanting to open up dev on that aspect and get the barcode app integrated |
| 20:49.19 | lardman | oi! |
| 20:49.28 | lcuk | its you i want as part of it! :P |
| 20:49.42 | lardman | ah :) |
| 20:50.00 | johnx | crisis averted! |
| 20:50.06 | lardman | tells broker to stop buying up shares in barcode app |
| 20:50.58 | lcuk | so qgil i was already thinking about your collab stuff, ill discuss with simon and we will open up the dev properly and hopefully all learn something from it |
| 20:51.46 | qgil | well, Nokia is saying that if these projects are ready they will be showcased and promoted - this doesn't happen every day and I think it might represent an interesting challenge for the fans of those projects and the free/community software in general |
| 20:51.55 | lardman | well it's for all the projects really, and each will have different aspects that can have a community aspect I guess |
| 20:52.02 | lcuk | yeah |
| 20:52.26 | lardman | notes too many aspects; don't write prose after being in the pub |
| 20:52.55 | *** part/#maemo j1nyc (n=j1nyc@exchange.wgen.net) |
| 20:53.46 | qgil | lcuk: I won't tell you anymore that perhaps you need more focus in the core of liqbase: sketch, image caption + graffitti wall + the great UI (and the online component?)wrapping this up. |
| 20:54.18 | brdusr | wow much thinks to lern on this little think |
| 20:54.19 | RST38h | gets a feeling of deja vu |
| 20:54.38 | lcuk | qgil i 100% agree and my core library is coming on really nicely there were a lot of things which i simply could not do before which are now possible |
| 20:54.39 | RST38h | Haven't I said that once? =) |
| 20:54.47 | wazd | qgil: can't wait to fire ideas foe new OMWeather :) |
| 20:55.08 | brdusr | how i can reach all files on the 810 over USB ??? root and other folders ??? |
| 20:55.32 | johnx | brdusr, no. only files on the mini sd card and 2GB 'internal card' |
| 20:55.33 | qgil | btw, any media developer around with first impressions about MAFW https://garage.maemo.org/docman/view.php/885/368/mafw-maemo-fremantle-draft.pdf ? |
| 20:55.35 | woglinde | brdusr nope |
| 20:55.39 | lardman | brdusr: ethernet-over-usb |
| 20:55.47 | lardman | brdusr: then sftp |
| 20:55.53 | woglinde | scp |
| 20:56.08 | qwerty12_N800 | sftp, browsing is nice. |
| 20:56.18 | woglinde | I always disable sftp support on sshd |
| 20:56.21 | brdusr | sftp ... ok thank you |
| 20:56.25 | lardman | qgil: not a media developer, but looks nice to remove the drudgery and allow people to focus on cool features/interfaces |
| 20:56.40 | woglinde | hm |
| 20:56.53 | qgil | hi wazd, the omweather lovers have now the opportunity to collaborate in a community widget beating the commercial alternatives face to face |
| 20:57.01 | lardman | brdusr: but you need to do some fiddling with kernel modules to get ethernet rather than mass storage - you have been warned! ;) |
| 20:57.05 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: errors on trying to compile cx3110x: make: *** SUBDIRS=/usr/src/cx3110x-0.8.1/src: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 20:57.24 | brdusr | Oô |
| 20:58.08 | lardman | insmod g_ether.ko |
| 20:58.22 | lardman | or rather insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/g_ether.ko |
| 20:58.48 | johnx | brdusr, you can install openssh on your n810 and access files using sftp with nautilus in gnome over wifi |
| 20:58.57 | brdusr | crazy :-( my ubuntu is much easyler to use LOL |
| 20:59.09 | johnx | no need to mess with usb ethernet unless you want to |
| 20:59.14 | lardman | brdusr: as johnx says, why not use wifi? |
| 20:59.16 | qgil | and about collaboration, ITt threads are getting quite <your adjective here> these days and some people could discover that there is actually lots of fun behind project centric discussions, bugs and wiki pages |
| 20:59.35 | brdusr | yes, will try the openssh and wifi stuff |
| 21:01.08 | wazd | qgil: we in OMW theam were really surprised to see Foreca on Maemo. Since it's commercial app on symbian |
| 21:01.09 | brdusr | now with your help i have diablo .. earlyer i got some conection problems - hope with diablo runs better |
| 21:02.36 | RST38h | qgil: comment: why not use URLs to specify source addresses? |
| 21:03.13 | brdusr | btw how i can share my phone contacts with the 810 ??? |
| 21:03.16 | wazd | The only problem of open-source weather applet is that noone wants to provide info for free |
| 21:03.21 | RST38h | qgil: another comment: this wonderful framework does not specify what I should do if I just want to synthesize and play my own audio stream |
| 21:03.33 | qgil | wazd: almost same here, but this is just a proof of what I wrote this morning at http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2009-January/054090.html |
| 21:03.39 | RST38h | qgil: btw, the gstreamer framework does not specify this either |
| 21:03.41 | johnx | brdusr, does your phone have bluetooth? |
| 21:03.45 | lardman | RST38h: you use Gstreamer still for the backend |
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| 21:03.54 | brdusr | yes its the 6500 slider |
| 21:03.57 | RST38h | lardman: currently I have to use ESD |
| 21:04.03 | RST38h | lardman: Also not documented |
| 21:04.07 | johnx | brdusr, try sending the contacts via bluetooth |
| 21:04.10 | lardman | RST38h: I think you can use a fakesource object |
| 21:04.19 | qgil | RST38h: are you commenting about MAFW? Don't ask me since your questions will be lost behind my lack of developer skills :) |
| 21:04.21 | RST38h | lardman: there is no documentation and no examples on this |
| 21:04.25 | lardman | and use that to send a buffer into the pipeline |
| 21:04.40 | RST38h | qgil: You asked for comments from developers a short while ago. I provided comments. |
| 21:04.45 | lardman | well, of course always room for improvement ;) |
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| 21:04.58 | brdusr | johnx nothing on meamo will handle it. any tools i have to install? |
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| 21:05.09 | qgil | RST38h: and I thank you for that! |
| 21:05.11 | RST38h | lardman: Basically, I do not quite understand why all this stuff focuses on playing files |
| 21:05.22 | lcuk | RST38h, headless mediaplayer |
| 21:05.29 | lardman | because that's normal, generating your own isn't - be realistic |
| 21:05.30 | qgil | RST38h: I didn't expect such precise comments so soon and I encourage you to submit them as enhancement requests |
| 21:05.49 | RST38h | lcuk: Yea, but doesn't anyone play his/her own sound? =) |
| 21:05.51 | johnx | brdusr, I don't have bt on my phone so I don't know. have you searched on internettablettalk.com/forums and wiki.maemo.org ? |
| 21:06.06 | lardman | RST38h: how do you make your own sound? |
| 21:06.06 | RST38h | qgil; What kind of comments do you expect at this moment? |
| 21:06.19 | johnx | anyways, I'm off to sleep for now. have fun everyone :) |
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| 21:06.27 | brdusr | thx for the link :-) |
| 21:06.28 | RST38h | lardman: for(J=0;J<SoundBufSize;++J) { do stuff;SoundBuf[J]=sample; } |
| 21:06.31 | lcuk | RST38h, yeah, jagernot has his boxar thing and got quite upset about esd maybe not existing, and i couldnt do sound effects as i wanted either if it was missing |
| 21:06.33 | lardman | qgil: more info on the RDS transmission/reception sw? ;) |
| 21:06.34 | qgil | whether you think this is a good move, something useful, to be perhaps used... or not |
| 21:06.48 | lcuk | so it effects me as well but i always thought gstreamer could technically do it as well |
| 21:06.49 | brdusr | thank you johnx and good evening |
| 21:06.50 | RST38h | qgil: Ok |
| 21:06.56 | lardman | RST38h: fakesource should work for that afaik |
| 21:06.58 | lcuk | just setup a source of random samples and let it pipe through |
| 21:07.04 | RST38h | qgil: Politically, it will be used in exactly 4 applications, maybe 5. |
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| 21:07.13 | RST38h | qgil; These will be: |
| 21:07.39 | RST38h | qgil: Nokia's own media player (or whatever becomes of it), Canola, MediaBox, 1-2 other players. |
| 21:08.10 | RST38h | qgil: Outside of the media player applications this stuff is pretty useless because it serves so specific purpose |
| 21:08.31 | qgil | RST38h: no 3rd party plugins for the media player? |
| 21:08.41 | RST38h | qgil: Oh, this one is very important |
| 21:08.44 | lcuk | RST38h, but thats a good thing, we only need 1 way to play a movie or music normally, your request is lower level and something that this library itself must also know how to do - so it wont be missing |
| 21:08.49 | lardman | yeah, but we could write our own if we so desired, and indeed we could write plugins for the upcoming Nokia one (I trust, from looking at the pdf anyway) |
| 21:08.58 | RST38h | qgil: The *only* plugin for the media player you are going to have is going to be mplayer |
| 21:08.59 | wazd | ookay, built-in mp will be pluginable) |
| 21:09.07 | wazd | General, write this down) |
| 21:09.20 | lardman | RST38h: visualisation plugins, different transfer types, etc |
| 21:09.26 | RST38h | qgil: It is very important that mplayer gets integrated well, either as a whole thing (less desirable) or as a bunch of decoding algorithms |
| 21:09.42 | wazd | RST38h: well, DSP plugins for example |
| 21:09.45 | RST38h | qgil: Outside of mplayer business, I would not expect more plugins |
| 21:09.50 | qgil | RST38h: what about plugins of online services, there are some nowadays and growing in popularity |
| 21:09.58 | RST38h | wazd: yes but I do sincerely hope Nokia will cover a2dp this time :) |
| 21:10.01 | lcuk | +1 movie streaming from desktop |
| 21:10.34 | wazd | RST38h: there can be different audio-plugins aswell |
| 21:10.45 | wazd | RST38h: eq, pitchers, so on |
| 21:10.52 | lardman | RST38h: it works on the n8x0, on the next gen it should be able to handle all audio as it;s mixed on the arm now |
| 21:10.59 | RST38h | qgil: Maybe I will be proven wrong, but I do not think there will be too many other plugins |
| 21:11.20 | RST38h | wazd: "can" and "will" are not the same |
| 21:11.23 | suihkulokki | there will be the ogg plugin ;) |
| 21:11.36 | woglinde | hm cool |
| 21:11.45 | woglinde | I got a small java app running |
| 21:11.47 | lcuk | RST38h, but for the 9999999 hello world media players out there, it makes it easy to do |
| 21:11.54 | qgil | RST38h: nor I have a crystal ball |
| 21:11.55 | RST38h | wazd: I am trying to estimate the coolness/effort ratio and it does not come out very high |
| 21:12.01 | lardman | RST38h: there's a difference between the media player plugins and codec plugins which belong with gstreamer/openmax |
| 21:12.10 | RST38h | lcuk: we really only need one |
| 21:12.15 | RST38h | lcuk: good one |
| 21:12.16 | suihkulokki | s/ogg/any of the 100 other marginal audio/video formats/ |
| 21:12.21 | lcuk | yes but its a common project for people to build |
| 21:12.29 | lcuk | to cut their teeth :) |
| 21:12.34 | lardman | suihkulokki: as long as there's no 16bit type on the DSP ;) |
| 21:12.41 | lcuk | this library makes that easy |
| 21:12.43 | lardman | s/no/not a minimum |
| 21:13.14 | RST38h | qgil: well, mine are not real crystal either, but we can make an educated guess based on the past development history for nits |
| 21:13.16 | qgil | RST38h: Vagalume could be a candidate |
| 21:13.26 | RST38h | qgil: vagalume already works pretty well |
| 21:14.02 | lcuk | lardman, this library answers my question from yesterday :) |
| 21:14.05 | wazd | It's good to have 1 extendable app for all media stuff |
| 21:14.13 | lardman | +1 |
| 21:14.21 | RST38h | wazd: obviously, no argument here |
| 21:14.32 | RST38h | wazd: how many people will extend it is a different question though |
| 21:14.50 | lardman | at least it lowers the bar |
| 21:15.03 | RST38h | lardman: for media players yes |
| 21:15.03 | wazd | not like "gmplauncher for video, kmplayer for tv, mytube for youtube, canola for hooking" and so on :) |
| 21:15.08 | lcuk | RST38h, better to have it as a library, that way we can have different interfaces to best suit the device its on, and still have the same high quality performance and expected behaviour |
| 21:15.12 | qgil | these days I'm thinking about how captive are all we about "the past development history for nits" |
| 21:15.22 | RST38h | lardman: if you want to do anything else (simple sound recording, sound synthesis, video recording) you are still fucked. |
| 21:15.29 | lardman | lol @ nits |
| 21:15.40 | RST38h | qgil: it is all we have to extrapolate from |
| 21:15.55 | lardman | RST38h: the lib is only for the gui and interface stuff really, the rest is still gstreamer/openmax |
| 21:15.57 | qgil | well, you can see trends out there |
| 21:16.12 | lcuk | RST38h, i would rather have one point of failure for all movie stuff so a bug fix if required fixes it for everything |
| 21:16.12 | RST38h | lardman: everybody will be doing his own UI |
| 21:16.14 | lardman | qgil: no, nits are things children get in their hair |
| 21:16.27 | RST38h | lardman: you have already seen MBox, Canola UKMP etc |
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| 21:16.56 | lardman | RST38h: yeah, this lib is the layer under the ui - playlists, linking together sources, etc |
| 21:17.00 | RST38h | lardman: UI is a vanity thing. If you are just writing plugins for somebody else's UI, there is much less ego massaging going on |
| 21:17.18 | lardman | I'd prefer to write something someone will use, personally |
| 21:17.25 | lardman | so plugins work for me |
| 21:17.31 | wazd | RST38h: well, not everybody is hunting for ego :) |
| 21:17.49 | RST38h | wazd: actually, everybody, in the OSS world |
| 21:17.57 | RST38h | wazd: if it is not money, it must be ego :) |
| 21:17.58 | GAN800 | RST38h, just because it's the only one doesn't make it a good one. ;) |
| 21:17.59 | wazd | RST38h: me not :) |
| 21:18.23 | wazd | RST38h: I'm not genuine OSSer though :) |
| 21:18.31 | lardman | RST38h: even if I am searching for kudos, I'd prefer it to be backend not upfront stuff |
| 21:18.42 | RST38h | wazd: But you are as kind as Mother Theresa! |
| 21:18.44 | lcuk | lol @ lardman bein an ass man |
| 21:18.48 | lardman | just as that interests me |
| 21:18.50 | lardman | oops |
| 21:18.56 | RST38h | lardman: You are very special kind |
| 21:18.58 | lardman | :D |
| 21:19.00 | lcuk | prefers boobs |
| 21:19.07 | b-man | Ubuntu-omap-fb-splash and ubuntu-rescue-menu is now available; http://www.bman.maemobox.org/projects/ubuntu-n8x0/ubuntu-omap-fb-splash/ubuntu-omap-fb-splash_3.7.3ubuntu1_armel.deb -- http://www.bman.maemobox.org/projects/ubuntu-n8x0/ubuntu-rescue-menu/ubuntu-rescue-menu_3.7.3ubuntu1_armel.deb |
| 21:19.15 | RST38h | lardman: Very few people are willing to work on the backend, even for money :) |
| 21:19.21 | RST38h | too complicated, they say :) |
| 21:19.33 | lcuk | some surgeons promise to |
| 21:19.39 | lardman | I don't like the airy-fairy front end stuff ;) |
| 21:19.55 | qgil | one potential advantage of plugins version your-own-whole-stuff is that (in principle) you save a lot of potential risk of buggy code in the lower levels |
| 21:20.00 | lardman | says he drinking wine.... |
| 21:20.02 | lcuk | is a library man himself. i get a buzz using something ive made |
| 21:20.22 | lardman | qgil: quite, building on the shoulders and all that stuff |
| 21:20.23 | RST38h | Anyways, I think that this media player API, just like most media APIs before it, will have limited use for developers, but will be used in about 4-6 products |
| 21:20.30 | b-man | lcuk: did you see my new rescue menu? :) http://www.bman.maemobox.org/projects/ubuntu-n8x0/Ubuntu-rescue-menu.jpg |
| 21:20.43 | lardman | RST38h: perhaps, yes. |
| 21:20.46 | lcuk | yes b-man, i love the chunky icons :) |
| 21:20.54 | lardman | RST38h: but we live in hope :) |
| 21:20.55 | b-man | hehe |
| 21:21.07 | RST38h | qgil: And I also absolutely insist you have simple, non-glib based APIs for simple media tasks |
| 21:21.28 | lcuk | RST38h, talk to the person implementing the very low level of this library |
| 21:21.32 | RST38h | qgil: stuff lke playing ring buffers, recording audio, getting frames from the camera |
| 21:21.34 | lcuk | and see how they are talking to the hardware |
| 21:21.39 | lcuk | and get it integrated |
| 21:21.40 | qgil | RST38h: well, at last will be useful for the official media player alone - and it has served the purpose also to open the backend that actually caused some of the annoyances that made (some) developers ask for openess |
| 21:21.49 | brdusr | Oo never seen this before ... is this ubuntu on internet tablet @b-man =) ? |
| 21:21.58 | RST38h | qgil: yes, that is definitely true |
| 21:22.24 | b-man | brdusr: yes :) |
| 21:22.29 | lardman | well if people will be able to add new stuff to the built in player - file support, transfer support, etc., then it will be worth it imho |
| 21:22.49 | lcuk | i agree, at first glance it looks good |
| 21:22.59 | RST38h | lardman: you only want to add two things: codecs and transport protocols |
| 21:23.12 | RST38h | lardman: files are already provided by gnome vfs |
| 21:23.13 | qgil | it is also an easier path (for Nokia and the community) getting community plugins becoming part of the official offering |
| 21:23.27 | RST38h | lardman: visualization is cool, but it is not as important as previous 2 |
| 21:23.38 | brdusr | ÃÃ ... cool !!! did you have any link for me to information about that? my google says nothing *g* |
| 21:24.07 | b-man | grabs the link |
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| 21:24.29 | brdusr | ahhh i see ... thank you |
| 21:24.34 | qgil | but thanks for the feedback RST38h, this is exactly the kind of 'first impressions' I'm looking for |
| 21:25.00 | lardman | RST38h: well I'd also like to add lyric lookups, wikipedia info about the track, etc. More metadata |
| 21:25.04 | b-man | brdusr: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25975 |
| 21:25.25 | brdusr | thx a lot :-) |
| 21:25.51 | b-man | your welcome ;) |
| 21:26.04 | Stskeeps | there's one specific thing i like about this channel, - it really wakes your brain up to scroll back through the talk when you've been offline |
| 21:26.28 | b-man | hehe |
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| 21:26.59 | lardman | Stskeeps: offline?! don't you whither and die :) |
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| 21:27.46 | Stskeeps | lardman: fiancée home for first time in a month.. sometimes it's good to be away after doing studies, mer, work 95% of your waking hours |
| 21:27.48 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:28.02 | b-man | updates ubuntu guide to include the newly released uubuntu-rescue-menu and splash |
| 21:28.10 | lardman | Stskeeps: definitely, get away from irc now! |
| 21:28.26 | wazd | b-man: I think Rescue-menu "reboot" row shoud be centered and lower\ |
| 21:28.31 | pupnik_ | anybody here like "mouse on mars"? |
| 21:28.39 | lardman | 's fiancee is out on a girls' nght out this evening |
| 21:28.40 | pupnik_ | wherz lardman |
| 21:28.42 | wazd | b-man: someone has already sounded it here) |
| 21:28.47 | pupnik_ | oh there |
| 21:28.55 | lardman | hey pupnik_ |
| 21:28.58 | Stskeeps | lardman: hehe. gf wanted me to have my geeking time now since i spent all day supporting her before her masters thesis defense and her having guests over and everything |
| 21:29.10 | pupnik_ | http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=nwc1s4&s=5 hey i just lugged 340 pounds of speakers into my den |
| 21:29.13 | b-man | wizd: yes, i know, i'm trying to fix that |
| 21:29.50 | b-man | re: wazd - sorry |
| 21:29.56 | Stskeeps | wazd is a wiz ;) |
| 21:29.59 | lardman | Stskeeps: I just get in trouble these days, until I show her what I'm working on, then she realises I'm not really wasting time sitting here :) |
| 21:30.02 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, I frequently just emit a loud sigh and hit End. ;) |
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| 21:30.39 | lardman | pupnik_: nice :) |
| 21:30.40 | Stskeeps | GAN800: that's iTT "new posts" you're thinking about |
| 21:30.41 | Stskeeps | ;) |
| 21:30.49 | lardman | pupnik_: poor neighbours :) |
| 21:30.51 | GAN800 | Hehe |
| 21:31.20 | pupnik_ | acoustics of the room are all wrong. |
| 21:31.32 | pupnik_ | but check the 60s furniture! |
| 21:32.08 | t_s_o | heh, one good thing coming from the swap of SD cards are that it takes only a moment for the file manager or open dialog to read the content of them |
| 21:34.03 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: I wish I could read scroll while I was watching the current ;) |
| 21:34.17 | Stskeeps | i wonder if the constant use of https on garage inhibits some developers from participating. i mean, i'm piss tired of adding --no-check-certificate to my wgets :P |
| 21:35.27 | RST38h | lardman: look at the plugin examples in that pdf - I don't think adding those plugins will be easy |
| 21:36.05 | lardman | RST38h: I don't have it open atm; but yeah, if it's easy is it worth doing? ;) |
| 21:36.21 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, alias wget='wget --no-check-certificate' ;) |
| 21:36.30 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: oh boy. |
| 21:36.45 | lardman | alias rm='rm -rf' |
| 21:36.56 | RST38h | lardman: well if it is dead easy, there is more probability people will play with it :) |
| 21:37.00 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1206/cx3110x-1.2.tar.gz is the one working for 770 kernel |
| 21:37.04 | Stskeeps | AFAIK |
| 21:37.12 | RST38h | lardman: but it is not dead easy judging from the examples |
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| 21:37.20 | Stskeeps | (yes, it's completely illogical 0.8.1 is for n8x0, and 1.2 is for 770) |
| 21:37.24 | lardman | RST38h: true, but some of it is probably complicated, no way around that really |
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| 21:38.37 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: thanks, will try that one |
| 21:38.40 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: eh, it doesn't help? with updated evdev |
| 21:38.44 | RST38h | lardman: no, I do not think there is no way around that |
| 21:39.23 | lardman | RST38h: so it abstracts some of the required but fairly constant components, and hopefully lets people concentrate on the cool bits |
| 21:39.32 | lardman | RST38h: hopeully; we'll see |
| 21:39.39 | RST38h | lardman: well designed stuff always hides infrequently used stuff from the user, so it looks and feels simple |
| 21:39.43 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: does it need any patching? |
| 21:39.47 | RST38h | lardman: do check the pdf |
| 21:40.10 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: possibly post-making it compile |
| 21:40.18 | lardman | RST38h: depends if it's made for a user, or for a developer and therefore takes away the hassle of implementing the boring stuff |
| 21:40.37 | lardman | RST38h: I did look at it yesterday |
| 21:41.08 | r2d2rogers | "entering unknown directory..." |
| 21:41.21 | RST38h | it is made for a developer but does not seem to take away the hassle |
| 21:41.29 | RST38h | just adds more different hassle |
| 21:41.55 | RST38h | doesn't matter much though, as I don't expect many people to use it |
| 21:42.01 | lardman | removing the need to handle playlists sounds good to me ;) |
| 21:42.24 | lardman | anyway yes, the proof is in the pudding and all that, we'll see what happens hey? |
| 21:42.41 | r2d2rogers | I think I'm missing a step or three. |
| 21:43.37 | RST38h | lardman: well, I kind of expected that by asking for opinions qgil wanted to figure out how to make it better |
| 21:43.59 | RST38h | lardman: that probably was a wrong assumption, dunno |
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| 21:47.57 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: diablo kernel modules still showimg as installed |
| 21:48.03 | r2d2rogers | ls |
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| 21:58.00 | brdusr | ok bye and thank you all for support :-) see you later guys |
| 21:58.46 | lcuk | does anyone know how i force mplayer to use xv mode? or does it by default? |
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| 21:59.59 | qwerty12_N800 | -vo xv iirc |
| 22:00.15 | qwerty12_N800 | no, omapfb output is default |
| 22:01.01 | lcuk | yeah the params are looking right |
| 22:01.08 | lcuk | thx |
| 22:02.46 | lardman | ~lart debugging thread issues |
| 22:02.46 | infobot | takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking debugging thread issues's head off |
| 22:03.04 | lcuk | ~lart debugging |
| 22:03.04 | infobot | accelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets debugging feel it |
| 22:03.22 | lardman | +1, especially on ARM |
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| 22:16.49 | RST38h | lcuk: afaik it uses xv by default |
| 22:17.32 | lcuk | its ok, ive got enough info for now |
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| 22:25.40 | lcuk | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=261099 <<< rotation problem |
| 22:28.05 | ssvb | RST38h: what uses xv by default? |
| 22:29.31 | lcuk | ssvb, it was me asking about mplayer, that link describes the rotation problem and has videos, im trying to let jott know about it as well :) |
| 22:29.48 | ssvb | lcuk: good |
| 22:30.09 | lcuk | thanks for the reminder |
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| 22:34.00 | RST38h | ssvb: mplayer |
| 22:34.05 | RST38h | ssvb: doesn't it? |
| 22:34.19 | ssvb | RST38h: no |
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| 22:34.53 | ssvb | RST38h: it used omapfb output by default, which is the fastest |
| 22:35.08 | ssvb | RST38h: s/used/uses/ |
| 22:35.34 | RST38h | ssvb: From your comments earlier today I misundertood that it used xv |
| 22:35.35 | RST38h | Sorry |
| 22:35.59 | lcuk | its ok, i forgot what i did when i first noticed it (this is an old observation revisited) |
| 22:36.23 | lcuk | i was too nervous and couldnt explain myself clearly enough back then :) |
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| 22:37.23 | ssvb | RST38h: though XV can be almost as fast as direct framebuffer in mplayer |
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| 22:56.34 | ssvb | RST38h, lcuk: XV performance tuning for mplayer: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=261102 |
| 22:56.59 | ssvb | the slowness of XV was indeed colorkey related |
| 22:58.47 | ssvb | Canola guys may be very interested |
| 23:00.52 | mavhc | what's xv? |
| 23:01.26 | lcuk | its magic :) its a video mode which displays video in an overlay and bypasses x11 network elements |
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| 23:01.47 | lcuk | ssvb, very cool |
| 23:01.55 | lcuk | glad its identified |
| 23:02.16 | lcuk | im pondering how i would make video work inside something that already opens xv |
| 23:02.33 | lcuk | its not like i can just pass you a pointer |
| 23:02.34 | ssvb | mavhc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_video_extension |
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| 23:03.44 | ssvb | mavhc: it's a standard method for video output in linux |
| 23:03.54 | mavhc | are the codecs in mplayer etc optimised for the ARM/DSP? |
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| 23:04.20 | lcuk | they are optimized inside the actual lcd hardware itself |
| 23:04.21 | ssvb | mavhc: for ARM partially yes, for DSP - no |
| 23:05.02 | lcuk | oops, not they - the video is.. the codecs ssvb answered |
| 23:05.31 | ssvb | lcuk: yes, I have just found it, this colorkey thing was preventing the use of fast blizzard overlay |
| 23:07.01 | dob | mkfs.vfat decides that I should have a 200M filesystem on a 4G partition (probably because I used to have a 200M fs there), how can I make this right? Should I manually input the blocks-count to mkfs.vfat? What's the block size? |
| 23:09.17 | lcuk | ssvb, its always good to solve problems |
| 23:09.58 | lcuk | anyway, early night for me, ive been wiped out for half the week |
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| 23:22.48 | lardman | any gstreamer gurus about? |
| 23:23.19 | lardman | anyone know if a filter which alters the res (down) and framerate (down) will cause significant slowdown? |
| 23:23.33 | lardman | or at least slower than doing the res adjustment at the fakesink? |
| 23:31.08 | GAN800 | How are the mailing list people so clueless? :/ |
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| 23:53.52 | Pkerown | looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool |
| 23:53.54 | Pkerown | looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool |
| 23:54.00 | Pkerown | looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool |
| 23:54.54 | Pkerown | looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool |
| 23:54.56 | Pkerown | looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool |
| 23:55.24 | housetier | o_O |
| 23:55.28 | Zic | Hmm, I read that the next Maemo release comme with a new hardware : a HD camera, a new ARM processor, and a cellular modem to access to the Internet : this modem is only like 3G access, or GSM too ? |
| 23:55.30 | *** join/#maemo Pkerown (n=Pkerown@77-101-180-135.cable.ubr08.smal.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 23:55.41 | wazd | Zic: no gsm |
| 23:55.45 | ken-p | Zic: where did you read that? |
| 23:56.03 | Zic | ken-p: on the last anoucement for the new Fermantle Maemo SDK |
| 23:56.14 | Zic | (and on Wikipedia about Fermantle) |
| 23:56.21 | ken-p | aha |
| 23:56.23 | ken-p | btw |
| 23:56.58 | ken-p | there was news that Nokia had discontinued N810 |
| 23:57.02 | Zic | by the way, I don't want to have a GSM modem in a Nokia Internet Tablet, I have a phone for that |
| 23:57.06 | ken-p | will there be an update? |
| 23:57.17 | Zic | I have a Freerunner with OpenMoko :) |
| 23:57.19 | *** join/#maemo Lamo (n=user@c-98-207-238-49.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 23:57.20 | benson[away] | ~lart Pkerown for doing ASCII art of a printer with runaway form-feed. |
| 23:57.20 | infobot | beats Pkerown to within 2.54cm of his life for doing ASCII art of a printer with runaway form-feed. |
| 23:57.38 | wazd | ken-p: wi-max was discontinued, not 810\ |
| 23:58.03 | ken-p | so just the wimax edition? |
| 23:58.09 | wazd | ken-p: yes |
| 23:58.18 | Zic | for now, there is no plan in the future to add a GSM modem to Nokia Internet tablet ? |
| 23:58.30 | benson | No plan they'll talk about. |
| 23:58.32 | ken-p | anyway, are Nokia planning to release an update soon? |
| 23:58.51 | Lamo | hello, is anyone in here using easy debian? i downloaded the image file to my memory card and extracted the debian-final.img.ext2 file but am not sure of what to do next. |
| 23:58.52 | GAN800 | ken-p, N810 isn't discontinnued. |
| 23:58.59 | wazd | Zic: Let's make clear: I'm talking bout "phone" functionality |
| 23:59.09 | wazd | Zic: like "making a phonecall" :) |
| 23:59.16 | Zic | wazd: yes, I understand :) |
| 23:59.38 | wazd | Zic: It will have a modem for data transfer |
| 23:59.57 | benson | Well, I don't think we'll get GSM data w/o GSM voice, only packet-switched data (GPRS and up). |
