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| 00:46.15 | lardman | night all |
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| 01:09.41 | sisto | can't wait to get his hands on a brand new n810 |
| 01:11.47 | brdusr | oO |
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| 01:12.39 | Jucato | rubs his 5-day old N810... |
| 01:16.12 | b-man | check out my new Ubuntu-rescue-menu i'm creating; http://www.bman.maemobox.org/projects/ubuntu-n8x0/Ubuntu-rescue-menu.jpg <-- it's really awsome!! 8D |
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| 01:28.54 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody spammed the CrunchPad all over Wikipedia |
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| 02:24.54 | b-man | infobot: blow up |
| 02:24.54 | infobot | ACTION blows up |
| 02:25.10 | b-man | lol XD |
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| 02:56.52 | Pavlz | hello |
| 02:57.15 | Pavlz | i got a query for you |
| 02:57.21 | bef0rd | who |
| 02:57.45 | Pavlz | is possible to bypass the message on nokia 770 |
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| 02:58.00 | Proteous | "the message" ? |
| 02:58.20 | Pavlz | unable to connect via USB, no memory card ? |
| 02:59.26 | Pavlz | i would transfer files on nokia 770 |
| 03:00.26 | Pavlz | if the mmc is not inside, it forbidden me to transfer from pc to nokia 770 |
| 03:00.50 | Proteous | yes |
| 03:00.58 | Proteous | you can't mount the internal memory via USB |
| 03:01.26 | Proteous | the n810 has an internal 2gb memory card that you can access via USB |
| 03:02.03 | Proteous | but the 770 only allows you to access the external mmc card with USB |
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| 03:02.44 | benson | You could do usb-networking, and NFS or such, but no direct access to internal memory. |
| 03:02.52 | Pavlz | so it is an hardware problem |
| 03:03.10 | Proteous | it's not a flaw |
| 03:03.16 | benson | A filesystem can't be mounted on both machines, or it will be corrupted. |
| 03:03.24 | Pavlz | it is a limit for nokia 770 |
| 03:03.29 | Proteous | it just that the device needs to be able to access the internal memory itself :) |
| 03:03.57 | Proteous | you can't access the boot drive via USB on any of the nokia tablets |
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| 03:07.20 | Pavlz | another thing |
| 03:07.43 | Pavlz | i would create a false mmc |
| 03:08.32 | benson | It has to be a separate filesystem. |
| 03:08.37 | Pavlz | Only the pins of a mmc and from the other part a pen usb of 1 gb |
| 03:08.51 | benson | Ah, I misunderstood. |
| 03:09.18 | benson | That would be a challenging project. |
| 03:09.30 | Pavlz | have you seen the gold contacts of mmc ? |
| 03:09.30 | benson | Why not get a microSD? |
| 03:09.43 | benson | And make an adapter. |
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| 03:10.09 | benson | MMC != USB, you'd need interface logic. |
| 03:10.20 | Pavlz | i would to break umount the shell of mmc card |
| 03:10.41 | benson | But microSD/RSMMC adapter is just mechanical, no electronics. |
| 03:11.00 | Pavlz | and to sold with cables an adaptor for pen usb |
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| 03:14.00 | Pavlz | are you benson that lives in germany and got sony ericsson p900 ? |
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| 03:17.26 | Pavlz | anyone know if on the nokia 900 is possible to mount GNU/linux ? |
| 03:18.14 | Pavlz | i know that there is a package sdk to program in c and c++ |
| 03:18.43 | Pavlz | and to realize xhtml pages for wap |
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| 03:22.38 | Pavlz | i go to sleep |
| 03:22.45 | Pavlz | bye bye |
| 03:22.55 | benson | Pavlz: this is what I meant: |
| 03:22.58 | benson | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25185 |
| 03:23.06 | benson | For the adaptor. |
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| 03:24.57 | Pavlz | i solved the problem |
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| 03:25.40 | Pavlz | i did more little the songs of ramones uning GNU/audacity |
| 03:25.54 | LinuxHack3r | I wonder how hard it'd be to get nano on this thing? |
| 03:26.10 | Pavlz | and compress them of 9 on 10 |
| 03:26.35 | Pavlz | and i reduced the size to 1,1 mb |
| 03:27.16 | Pavlz | then i sended as attachment for e-mail and i downloaded it |
| 03:28.26 | benson | LinuxHack3r: apt-get install nano |
| 03:28.39 | Pavlz | GNU/nano is a text editor |
| 03:28.46 | benson | LinuxHack3r: you need the diablo tools repo, it looks like. |
| 03:29.22 | LinuxHack3r | benson: Is the diable tools repo "official/safe"? Will it work fine? Will it possibly screw anything up? |
| 03:29.29 | benson | Yep. |
| 03:29.33 | Pavlz | and is very easy to use, more easy than vi |
| 03:29.49 | benson | With Diablo, they split the SDK into tools and sdk. |
| 03:30.07 | benson | sdk is still dangerous on-device, but tools is safe. |
| 03:30.37 | LinuxHack3r | benson: Ok ok...where is a link to this thing? |
| 03:30.47 | benson | is looking already... |
| 03:31.52 | benson | http://repository.maemo.org/#sdk_releases |
| 03:32.13 | benson | describes the repo, but doesn't explain that sdk is safe on-device. |
| 03:32.22 | Pavlz | rms doesn't use vi, why in roman characters, VI, VI, VI means 666 the number of Hell |
| 03:32.40 | benson | I know something official indicated it's safe, but not finding it just now. |
| 03:33.03 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/development/tools |
| 03:33.46 | benson | Pavlz: Actually, 666 is DCLXVI; the reason RMS doesn't use it is competition with EMACS. |
| 03:34.23 | benson | HURD is just a cover story, the real GNU OS is EMACS. |
| 03:35.07 | benson | GeneralAntilles: thx |
| 03:36.04 | LinuxHack3r | GeneralAntilles: benson Thanks! |
| 03:38.04 | Pavlz | GNU/EMACS is a text editor |
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| 03:38.32 | GeneralAntilles | Pavlz, you don't need to slap GNU/ in front of everything. :) |
| 03:38.49 | GeneralAntilles | The N810's back in stock http://www.buy.com/prod/nokia-n810-internet-tablet-full-pull-out-qwerty-keyboard-810/q/loc/101/206228943.html |
| 03:38.49 | benson | No, it's really an OS, cleverly disguised as a vastly overpowered text editor. ;) |
| 03:38.52 | GeneralAntilles | is sorely tempted. |
| 03:38.58 | Pavlz | written by rms, a dear friend that i know in the real life |
| 03:39.33 | Pavlz | and is based on lisp+ artificial intelligence |
| 03:40.47 | Pavlz | i put GNU/linux why is the correct syntax |
| 03:41.13 | benson | is tempted, but not quite sorely. |
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| 03:41.38 | benson | Pavlz: GNU/Linux denotes GNU _and_ Linux. |
| 03:41.40 | Pavlz | if we want to speak of operating system GNU/linux is correct |
| 03:42.12 | benson | Proper designation of nano is "GNU nano", indicating nano written by GNU. |
| 03:42.22 | Pavlz | it is not correct to say linux, why linux is a monolithic kernel |
| 03:42.49 | benson | And leaving off the GNU from GNU projects is usually fine, unless there's a non-GNU project of the same or similar name. |
| 03:43.45 | Pavlz | when you want to eat an apple you say i want an apple or you say i want an orange ? |
| 03:44.10 | Pavlz | they are fruits, but are different things |
| 03:44.27 | benson | I don't say anything. I wakt to the fridge, and grab an apple. |
| 03:44.30 | benson | :p |
| 03:44.35 | Pavlz | there is |
| 03:45.22 | Pavlz | GNU/HURD that is based on the microkernel Mach |
| 03:46.20 | Pavlz | that was an example |
| 03:46.54 | Pavlz | but Mach is used by apple computer cupertino inc |
| 03:47.10 | Pavlz | for the project XNU |
| 03:47.32 | LinuxHack3r | Nano! |
| 03:48.13 | Pavlz | actually the fsf.org is searching developers for GNU/Step visit http://gnu.org |
| 03:48.36 | Pavlz | GNU/nano is correct |
| 03:49.48 | Pavlz | GNU/EMACS, GNU/Audacity, GNU/Vlc |
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| 03:50.16 | benson | GNU/nano is not correct. The / means the wrong thing there. |
| 03:50.26 | benson | See, GNU/HURD is GNU userland on top of HURD. |
| 03:50.34 | benson | And GNU/Linux is GNU userland on top of Linux. |
| 03:50.46 | Pavlz | GNU/GNOME, GNU/GTK |
| 03:51.00 | benson | But GNU nano is the GNU project nano, not GNU and nano. So no / in there. |
| 03:51.45 | Pavlz | HURD is a system of process servers |
| 03:51.46 | benson | It's the same argument why RMS says to always pronounce the / in GNU/Linux, so people don't take it as "GNU Linux". |
| 03:52.17 | Pavlz | HURD is over the microkernel Mach |
| 03:53.14 | Pavlz | and to connect Mach with GNU were necessary HURD in orgin Alix |
| 03:53.45 | Pavlz | GNU slash linux |
| 03:54.15 | Pavlz | it s easy to say |
| 03:54.52 | Pavlz | i see that you are for open source |
| 03:55.45 | Pavlz | so you stay with linus torvalds benedict and eric s s raymond |
| 03:56.07 | jaska | troll invasion? |
| 03:57.00 | Pavlz | that say the freedom is not important, but it is important to use the softwares without to see the terms of license |
| 03:57.49 | benson | First, yes, I am in the OSS camp. Of course, you utterly misrepresent my position, and that of the majority of the OSS camp. |
| 03:57.57 | Mousey | free software is the devil |
| 03:58.11 | benson | But it doesn't matter; unless you claim that RMS is OSS too. |
| 03:58.19 | benson | Read http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html#whyslash |
| 03:58.35 | benson | RMS makes exactly the point I've been trying to. |
| 03:58.41 | GeneralAntilles | Mousey, no ur teh devil. |
| 03:58.54 | Pavlz | i stay from the part of free software 'free software refers not price but freedom so think free spech, not free beer' rms |
| 03:59.15 | Mousey | ^M^ |
| 03:59.37 | Mousey | Pavlz: i say turn around, the pews are behind you |
| 03:59.48 | Mousey | feeds teh trulz |
| 04:03.53 | Pavlz | http://www.gnu-linux.it http://paolodelbene.pbwiki.com/hacking http://paolodelbene.pbwiki.com/Intervista+a+Richard+Matthew+Stallman+ http://paolodelbene.pbwiki.com/FrontPage http://gnuandlinux.blogspot.com |
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| 04:06.12 | Pavlz | and in September for 15 days i have had correspondence with rms, we celebrate the 27 September 1983 25 years of GNU |
| 04:06.17 | Pavlz | i am a volunteer for fsf.org and fsfeurope.org |
| 04:06.17 | MaceN800 | sure am glad my n800 can tether to this g1 |
| 04:06.57 | MaceN800 | uhm |
| 04:08.16 | benson | T-mobile g1? I thought the g1 didn't do DUN? |
| 04:08.39 | MaceN800 | doesn't |
| 04:08.52 | MaceN800 | i rooted it and wifi/adhoc tether it |
| 04:09.02 | benson | Ah, cool. |
| 04:09.04 | bef0rd | hax |
| 04:09.17 | MaceN800 | it's great |
| 04:09.17 | MaceN800 | heh |
| 04:11.42 | Pavlz | there is too a news the sgi in the same period decided to release opengl under the terms of mit license and fsf.org is happy for this good thing |
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| 04:12.49 | Pavlz | i want to see how the people that use GNU/linux to play with games that are not free software in the future will play |
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| 04:13.41 | LinuxHack3r | Is there a trick to setting up ssh key's for this thing? |
| 04:14.07 | benson | LinuxHack3r: no different to other openssh installations. |
| 04:14.13 | MaceN800 | Pavlz, what are you rambling on about? |
| 04:14.19 | Pavlz | why all the games that are not free software are based on directx of microsoft |
| 04:14.40 | LinuxHack3r | benson: I've gotten to the poing of this:ssh-agent sh -c 'ssh-add < /dev/null && bash' |
| 04:14.50 | LinuxHack3r | benson: Following this: |
| 04:14.55 | LinuxHack3r | http://pkeck.myweb.uga.edu/ssh/ |
| 04:15.15 | MaceN800 | would be nice to have a multi user thing going on for maemo |
| 04:15.18 | benson | I think we're supposed to believe him over pages on gnu.org regarding nomenclature, because he knows RMS. |
| 04:15.56 | MaceN800 | i don't understand how opengl relates to maemo |
| 04:16.02 | benson | LinuxHack3r: Ah, I haven't messed with sssh-agent, sorry. |
| 04:16.24 | benson | s/sss/ss/ |
| 04:16.26 | LinuxHack3r | benson: Well...all I want to do is to make it so I don't have to type the password everytime. |
| 04:16.43 | LinuxHack3r | infobot: WTH? |
| 04:16.44 | infobot | What The Hell is wth? |
| 04:16.46 | LinuxHack3r | infobot: ;) |
| 04:16.46 | infobot | (: |
| 04:16.58 | LinuxHack3r | infobot: Alright, I've had enough! WTF? |
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| 04:17.09 | bef0rd | Pavlov, why do you use pbwiki? pbwiki is not free software! :X |
| 04:17.10 | benson | Don't need ssh-agent for that. Just make a key, and put the public key in trusted keys. |
| 04:17.40 | bef0rd | oops |
| 04:17.40 | bef0rd | xD |
| 04:17.49 | bef0rd | it wasn't Pavlov, I meant Pavlz |
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| 04:18.10 | benson | So if you've already got a key made on your desktop, it'll be in .ssh/id_rsa.pub or some such. |
| 04:18.13 | Pavlz | i speak for os2006 it has problems to open more windows or |
| 04:18.48 | benson | put that in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on your tablet. |
| 04:18.49 | Pavlz | to download a file and to surf on internet |
| 04:19.03 | bef0rd | There is os2008 already. |
| 04:19.04 | LinuxHack3r | benson: Letme try that. |
| 04:19.26 | Pavlz | in os2008 have you solved this thing ? |
| 04:19.48 | LinuxHack3r | benson: I think I was going about it backwards. First...let's do this. When I installed openssh server on my tablet..it asked for a root password. when I ssh into it, I do so as the root. So tell me..how would I ssh into my tablet as user? |
| 04:19.50 | benson | Clarification: Put the contents of id_rsa.pub in authorized_keys, not the name. |
| 04:20.13 | benson | ssh user@tablet.example.com |
| 04:20.40 | MaceN800 | hm |
| 04:20.53 | MaceN800 | welcome to 2009 |
| 04:22.03 | Pavlz | in italy we just beginned bad the year |
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| 04:23.04 | LinuxHack3r | benson: for the user...what would the password be? |
| 04:23.18 | AFBN810 | Hey |
| 04:23.51 | benson | Nothing, unless you have set one, but if you use public-key authentication, you don't need one. |
| 04:24.34 | benson | As root, you can do _passwd user_ to set one |
| 04:24.48 | LinuxHack3r | benson: Ok..I'm somewhat new to ssh keys. I deleted the .ssh/ on both the tablet and the server. I'm going to ssh into the server from the tablet. |
| 04:24.52 | benson | But permitting password authentication on ssh is weak. |
| 04:25.07 | Pavlz | but now many people are not satisfied of berlusconi, and i am happy for this, why Italian people thinked that berlusconi could to do the Italian Miracle |
| 04:25.09 | LinuxHack3r | So walk me through this...what do I do? |
| 04:25.25 | LinuxHack3r | Do I generate the key on the tablet or server? |
| 04:25.52 | GeneralAntilles | Is the Italian Miracle a bit like the American Dream? |
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| 04:26.14 | benson | Ummm... you use that key-maker-thing... on the not-tablet. (But when you're sshing into the tablet, the tablet is the server, and the other machine is the client. |
| 04:27.00 | benson | ssh-keygen |
| 04:27.07 | LinuxHack3r | benson: I understand...I'm setting it up for the other way though. So I can ssh into the server from the tablet. Key maker thing...ssh-keygen... |
| 04:27.17 | Pavlz | Sincerely not, but we got a President that nominate a female Minister |
| 04:27.28 | LinuxHack3r | benson: ssh-keygen -t dsa , wonder what the tdsa does? |
| 04:27.33 | benson | Ok, then ssh-keygen on the tablet in that case. |
| 04:27.44 | benson | type: DSA |
| 04:27.50 | benson | Other option is RSA |
| 04:27.57 | Pavlz | why this one suck the cock to berlusconi |
| 04:28.06 | benson | (May be more, but those are the common ones.) |
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| 04:28.49 | benson | Pavlz: I suppose that qualifies as ministrations. |
| 04:29.07 | LinuxHack3r | benson: Ok...setup a key...now what? |
| 04:29.29 | benson | I guess Italian politics is like American, ala Bill Clinton... |
| 04:29.48 | Pavlz | i think that so many girls can became ministers |
| 04:30.05 | Pavlz | not all |
| 04:30.24 | benson | Then dump the contents of .ssh/id_dsa.pub on the tablet into .ssh/authorized_keys on the server. |
| 04:30.28 | LinuxHack3r | benson: Now I have to copy the iddsa.pub to the server? |
| 04:30.51 | LinuxHack3r | what do you mean, dump the contents? open, copy, and paste to the autorized_keys on the server? |
| 04:31.03 | Pavlz | i am with a Left called Sinstra Critica, Critic Left |
| 04:31.31 | Pavlz | and are all young guys of 24 years |
| 04:31.34 | benson | That could work. Or copy the file onto the server, then |
| 04:31.53 | LinuxHack3r | benson: scp ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub burly:.ssh/authorized_keys2 |
| 04:31.54 | LinuxHack3r | like that? |
| 04:32.03 | benson | cat id_dsa.pub >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 04:32.06 | Pavlz | are all guys that study to the university |
| 04:32.19 | benson | Yep, that will do it since you're starting clean. |
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| 04:32.46 | benson | But if you already had authorized keys there (from other systems), then you'd obliterate them. |
| 04:33.04 | AFBN810 | anyone know why I would get error invalid optiom --j when untaring easy debian image? |
| 04:33.08 | Pavlz | and this left has as manifesto the interest for |
| 04:33.11 | benson | One key per line in that file, so just appending them is good. |
| 04:33.35 | benson | AFBN810: because tar isn't GNU tar, it's busybox. |
| 04:33.38 | LinuxHack3r | Ok...file is there... |
| 04:34.01 | benson | Either get GNU tar, or bunzip2 it first, and then tar/ |
| 04:34.25 | benson | LinuxHack3r: You should be able to ssh from the tablet now, and it won't ask about the password. |
| 04:34.34 | LinuxHack3r | let me try. |
| 04:35.03 | Pavlz | ecology, femminist and communist |
| 04:35.46 | AFBN810 | benson I have gnu tar |
| 04:35.54 | LinuxHack3r | benson: You're right...it's not asking for the password...now it's asking for the passphrase ;) |
| 04:36.05 | benson | Ah, ok. |
| 04:36.11 | Pavlz | we moved for the movement of GayPride, the GLBT |
| 04:36.27 | benson | If you don't use a passphrase, it doesn't prompt at all. :p |
| 04:36.47 | LinuxHack3r | benson: But I heard it is bad to not use one. |
| 04:37.00 | GeneralAntilles | Pavlz, this is #maemo, not #politics. :) |
| 04:37.01 | benson | Of course, then you have to be more careful about quickly revoking your keys of someone gains access. |
| 04:37.27 | benson | The passphrase makes them take a while cracking it. |
| 04:37.58 | LinuxHack3r | benson: Ok...but the key is uniquly generated...right? Meaning someone cannot just create a key themselves from scratch with no passphrase and use it, right? |
| 04:37.59 | benson | But if they never get your privaste key, you're safe without. |
| 04:38.08 | benson | Exactly. |
| 04:38.36 | LinuxHack3r | benson: So...delete the .ssh/* on the public, same for the tablet...do again with no passphrase..got it. |
| 04:39.00 | AFBN810 | benson what command do I use to use gnu tar if tar wont do it |
| 04:39.19 | benson | is not a security consultant, but at least he's not a lawyer either. |
| 04:39.49 | benson | So don't trust me, or at least don't blame me when you get h4x0r3d |
| 04:39.53 | LinuxHack3r | benson: Well...if you are at least sure it is somewhat safe...ok. what could possibly go wrong? |
| 04:40.03 | LinuxHack3r | ;? |
| 04:40.15 | benson | AFBN810: You have to install it from somewhere, first. |
| 04:40.32 | benson | checks if I have it. |
| 04:40.39 | AFBN810 | benson already have it installed |
| 04:41.00 | benson | OK, then just run it. |
| 04:41.30 | LinuxHack3r | benson: Sweet..works.... |
| 04:41.40 | AFBN810 | from terminal? |
| 04:41.49 | benson | Yup. |
| 04:42.00 | benson | LinuxHack3r: Good. |
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| 04:42.40 | benson | Then you probably want to generate a key on the server, and any other machines you use. |
| 04:43.06 | benson | Put all the public keys in one file, and copy it as .ssh/authorized_keys in all of them. |
| 04:43.18 | benson | Then you can log in from any of them, to any of them. |
| 04:43.29 | AFBN810 | benson: would this do it tar -xjvf debian-chroot-img-final.tar.bz2 |
| 04:43.43 | LinuxHack3r | benson: Now how can I add a password to the user thing/ |
| 04:44.31 | benson | And then consider preventing password authentication, so botnets don't break in byu gfuessing passwords. |
| 04:44.48 | benson | AFBN810: no, gtar xjvf deb* |
| 04:45.35 | benson | LinuxHack3r: passwd user |
| 04:45.43 | benson | (as root) |
| 04:46.08 | AFBN810 | got it thanks |
| 04:47.13 | LinuxHack3r | But yes..your idea about the file will work very well. |
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| 04:48.13 | LinuxHack3r | with 3 machines..a tablet..desktop..and server...would that mean they'd be 6 keys? |
| 04:48.39 | benson | Nope, 3 keys. |
| 04:49.06 | benson | Each key represents one user, and you drop the public key anywhere that user should get a free login. |
| 04:49.28 | LinuxHack3r | benson: Hm....so generate one for the desktop and server...then you are good to go! Just paste the other two keys into the one file...then copy that file! Gotcha! That's simple. |
| 04:49.40 | benson | (OK, maybe 6 keys, if you have keys for root on each box... |
| 04:49.53 | benson | ) |
| 04:49.53 | LinuxHack3r | No no no..why why why ;)? |
| 04:50.52 | benson | That way, you can have root on any box allowed as root on any other box, and your normal user as the equivalent on any other box. |
| 04:51.30 | LinuxHack3r | I see...I may save that for tommorow...I'mma going to try and setup the other two keys fast. |
| 04:51.33 | benson | But if you leave your account up and someone walks by, they can't grab root by sshing to root@otherbox. |
| 04:51.55 | benson | Oh, and thanks for bringing this up. |
| 04:52.20 | LinuxHack3r | But noone I know does that sort of stuff. What is root? What is ssh? Why is your screen black with green text? You must have seen the matrix too many times. BTW, NP. |
| 04:52.25 | benson | I am setting up a new box here, and this pushed me to get my keys distributed to it. |
| 04:53.23 | benson | Hehe. Just setting up my system here, and I have some major black w/green going on. |
| 04:53.51 | benson | For the first time in my life, I cared enough to fight with .Xdefaults and really change some stuff around. |
| 04:53.52 | LinuxHack3r | benson: So public is what I copy to the master file? the contents of it I mean, line after line? |
| 04:54.35 | benson | Yep, each pub key is one line. Stack them up, and put it as authorized_keys |
| 04:56.11 | LinuxHack3r | benson: That's cool...on my ubuntu box it gave me randomart image! |
| 04:58.39 | benson | OK, now I'm in showoff mode, have to find a screendump program... |
| 05:03.34 | LinuxHack3r | benson: go right ahead...but...is there a way in nano to copy the entire line? |
| 05:03.39 | LinuxHack3r | even what you cannot see? |
| 05:03.55 | benson | IDK, don't use nano. |
| 05:04.37 | benson | But cat file1 >> file2 appends file1 to file2, worst case you may have to add a newline manually/ |
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| 05:05.00 | benson | (I meant, I don't use nano, not ordering you to not use nano...) |
| 05:05.27 | LinuxHack3r | Gotcha...just trying to do this painlessly as possible. |
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| 05:11.23 | edrex | anybody awake running mer on 770? |
| 05:11.52 | edrex | wondering how long it takes at the "pivot root and starting /sbin/init.." step |
| 05:12.01 | edrex | i think it froze :) |
| 05:14.16 | edrex | nudges r2d2rogers |
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| 05:14.30 | jaem | hey everybody |
| 05:14.57 | benson | hi |
| 05:16.33 | LinuxHack3r | benson: This doesn't make sense...I copied and everything...but it just doesn't seem to work correctly. Perhaps I forgot to save something somewheres. |
| 05:16.45 | jaem | a few days ago, someone (Stskeeps, I think) had mentioned getting my blag syndicated on Planet Maemo... who do I talk to about that? |
| 05:17.38 | benson | Hmm... Here comes jumbo pastage... |
| 05:17.56 | LinuxHack3r | benson: Oh got it...I figured it out. |
| 05:18.03 | benson | Mine looks like: |
| 05:18.07 | benson | Oh, ok. |
| 05:18.15 | benson | Pastage aborted. |
| 05:19.37 | GAN800 | jaem, planet.maemo.org |
| 05:19.59 | jaem | yes, but in regards to getting a landing permit on said planet...? |
| 05:20.23 | GAN800 | jaem, see the sidebar. :) |
| 05:20.29 | jaem | ah |
| 05:23.31 | LinuxHack3r | benson: my fingers>tablet>server>desktop>tablet...it's the only way I can actually get things done ;) |
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| 05:25.09 | LinuxHack3r | benson: Thanks..you really helped me a lot. l8r |
| 05:26.02 | benson | np |
| 05:26.15 | LinuxHack3r | So someone tell me..perhaps benson..the default mail thing on this n810..gmail over imap...it doesn't load pics. |
| 05:26.52 | jaem | nope |
| 05:27.02 | LinuxHack3r | jaem: Can I make it? |
| 05:27.09 | benson | Yep. |
| 05:27.17 | LinuxHack3r | benson: How? |
| 05:27.20 | benson | Don't remember how, though. |
| 05:27.32 | benson | Somewhere in gconf, there's a setting. |
| 05:28.27 | LinuxHack3r | you remember the file? or at least what the program is calleD? |
| 05:29.05 | benson | Ummm... I would use gconf-editor to set it, if that's what you mean. |
| 05:29.20 | benson | gconf is like the Windows registry |
| 05:29.50 | LinuxHack3r | http://www.maemoapps.com/2008/06/26/howto-enable-graphics-in-html-mail/ |
| 05:31.47 | LinuxHack3r | benson: I don't have gconf-editor |
| 05:31.53 | jaem | it should be in extras |
| 05:32.28 | LinuxHack3r | maemo Extras? |
| 05:33.36 | GAN800 | There's no other |
| 05:34.28 | benson | Yep, apt-cache policy gconf-editor confirms it. ;) |
| 05:34.29 | LinuxHack3r | GAN800: benson: |
| 05:34.30 | LinuxHack3r | BTW: gconf-editor still doesnt show up in extras, you'll have to enable extras/chinook to get it AFAIK. (We should open a thread about the state of extras some day here...) |
| 05:34.45 | LinuxHack3r | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23480 |
| 05:34.53 | benson | Nope, it's in diablo. |
| 05:35.33 | LinuxHack3r | ran as root:pt-get install gconf-editor |
| 05:35.43 | LinuxHack3r | apt-get install gconf-editor |
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| 05:36.22 | benson | what's apt-cache policy gconf-editor say? |
| 05:36.45 | benson | I have it listing it from both chinook and diablo extras... |
| 05:36.55 | LinuxHack3r | unable to locate ~~~~~~~~ |
| 05:37.03 | jaem | mmm... bits... my ISP just upgraded me from 10Mbps to 15 with no extra charge |
| 05:37.46 | LinuxHack3r | benson: ^ |
| 05:38.38 | benson | Strange. |
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| 05:40.43 | LinuxHack3r | benson: Not sure if it makes a difference..but in the catalogue details for meamo extras, the components are free non-free, just wondering if perhaps you had another? |
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| 05:40.54 | GAN800 | No |
| 05:41.05 | benson | That's normal; it's in free. |
| 05:42.04 | LinuxHack3r | GAN800: benson maemo Linux Baed 0s2008, version 5.2008.43-7...control panel about. |
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| 05:45.11 | benson | LinuxHack3r: apt-get update ? |
| 05:45.37 | LinuxHack3r | tried it. |
| 05:45.55 | benson | http://www.flickr.com/photos/31311658@N07/3235274481/ |
| 05:46.13 | benson | ^ screenshot. I _have_ watched the matrix too much. :D |
| 05:46.41 | LinuxHack3r | benson: I'm famous!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 05:47.15 | benson | Strangely, upon close inspection, mine shows it as existing on both chinook and Diablo, but says I have the Chinook one installed... |
| 05:47.29 | benson | Same version, though, so I'm not sure how it knows... |
| 05:48.05 | LinuxHack3r | benson: Why isn't it working for me though...it's strange. Yesterday I did some strange open up the catalog, type matrix, and then choose the red pill thing. Is that strange? |
| 05:48.23 | benson | Anyway, you can always pull the .deb directly and install it. |
| 05:48.32 | benson | It's just funny it doesn't work... |
| 05:49.02 | benson | red pill is deprecated, but shouldn't break this AFAIK. |
| 05:49.39 | LinuxHack3r | wth how is vim taking up more space than any other app? that's crazy. |
| 05:49.48 | benson | vim is evil. |
| 05:49.55 | benson | How much space? |
| 05:50.08 | LinuxHack3r | 19MB |
| 05:50.17 | benson | O.o |
| 05:50.22 | GAN800 | Red Pill isn't deprecated, it's just evil. ;) |
| 05:50.46 | LinuxHack3r | "/etc/apt/sources.list", that where these repo things live? |
| 05:51.03 | jaem | I believe they're in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager |
| 05:51.05 | jaem | or some such thing |
| 05:51.32 | benson | Yeah, both. |
| 05:51.54 | benson | h-a-m puts them in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager |
| 05:52.18 | benson | h-a-m puts them in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list, actually |
| 05:52.53 | benson | But apt looks in /etc/apt/sources.list, too; h-a-m just can't manage those. |
| 05:53.31 | LinuxHack3r | Hmm.. |
| 05:53.47 | LinuxHack3r | benson: I have nothing in sources.list |
| 05:54.10 | benson | Yeah, that's normal. |
| 05:54.29 | LinuxHack3r | But I got plenty done for today...I'll do this tommmorow. |
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| 05:59.36 | johnx | returns |
| 05:59.55 | bef0rd | hai |
| 06:00.20 | johnx | I slept for around 13 hours. O_o guess I needed it |
| 06:05.28 | edrex | hi johnx! ever heard of consistent i/o instability with the card slot on 770? (ie across kernels, cards) |
| 06:05.42 | johnx | hmm |
| 06:06.10 | johnx | I know that the mmc drivers for linux weren't always the most reliable |
| 06:06.50 | edrex | i have a bad card reader i think, but I'm wondering if something can be done to boost the voltage etc, since it just has trouble with certain sectors, which read/write fine on other card slots |
| 06:07.37 | edrex | maybe if I just stick a toothbrush in there... |
| 06:07.46 | GAN800 | The latch on my N800 is going back to silver again. |
| 06:07.56 | johnx | GAN800, ahaha. mine hasn't yet |
| 06:08.06 | johnx | you bought yours in January '07, right? |
| 06:08.14 | GAN800 | Yeah |
| 06:08.34 | johnx | i'll check mine in another month then :) |
| 06:08.34 | GAN800 | I want a new goddamn tablet. >:( |
| 06:10.03 | johnx | heh |
| 06:10.12 | johnx | I just need a new battery |
| 06:10.48 | edrex | this sounds really similar to my issue: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=745569&highlight=nokia+770 |
| 06:10.57 | GAN800 | I'm using one from a woot 770 |
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| 06:12.02 | edrex | GAN800: you still have the 770? |
| 06:12.11 | edrex | i have a battery and a wonky 770 |
| 06:12.45 | johnx | I'm still on the original but in addition to not getting great life anymore it's also starting to make the battery meter act weird |
| 06:12.57 | johnx | I'm thinking that the voltage is fluctuating a lot |
| 06:13.26 | johnx | edrex, yeah, I've seen similar on a couple zauruses in the past |
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| 06:14.05 | edrex | sl5600 in a drawer that kills sd cards |
| 06:14.20 | edrex | it's a frankenstein with a digitizer from a dell axim |
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| 06:16.46 | johnx | I think it's some kind of thing about cards acting slightly differently and just not being tested with the linux mmc driver code before they're released |
| 06:17.30 | edrex | johnx: the devices or the cards? |
| 06:17.39 | edrex | i've tried with a range of cards |
| 06:17.41 | johnx | the drivers |
| 06:17.52 | johnx | and the cards :) |
| 06:18.12 | johnx | things have improved a lot, I think, since 2.6.16 |
| 06:18.29 | edrex | well nobody else with a 770 seems to have this sort of issue. except the guy on the ubuntu forum above |
| 06:18.54 | edrex | johnx: hmm, i wonder if it's any better on a newer omap kernel |
| 06:19.04 | edrex | what's missing in the new kernels? |
| 06:19.39 | edrex | should be possible to port the wifi module non? |
| 06:20.00 | johnx | I believe the wifi module for the 770 involves a closed source component? |
| 06:20.22 | edrex | yes but i thought it was isolated from the kernel |
| 06:20.43 | johnx | I got the impression that it wasn't ... |
| 06:20.48 | edrex | calibration is one thing, that's kernel-indep. maybe there is another closed component |
| 06:21.23 | edrex | well I should test with a newer kernel, and see if the sd slot is better |
| 06:21.54 | johnx | yeah, it certainly improved on my Zaurus C1000 as the kernel versions went up :) |
| 06:22.17 | edrex | then I would at least know whether it was worth pursuing (of course it's not since the 770 sells for $50 on ebay, but I hate ditching good hw) |
| 06:22.37 | johnx | same thing here :) |
| 06:23.21 | edrex | i recall using poky linux a year ago and it worked awesome on 770. were they using a newer kernel? hmm... |
| 06:24.22 | edrex | hmm they're using 2.6.18, not much better |
| 06:27.00 | Macer | wtf |
| 06:27.14 | Macer | i think my n800 battery is fucked |
| 06:27.28 | Macer | it hardly lasted 3 hrs |
| 06:27.37 | johnx | how old is it? |
| 06:27.45 | johnx | and what are you doing with it? :P |
| 06:27.48 | Macer | unless running off the sd sucks that much |
| 06:27.54 | Macer | 1 yr |
| 06:28.05 | benson | Ummm... 3 years is pretty good for a Li-ion. |
| 06:28.13 | Macer | wasnt doing much |
| 06:28.29 | Macer | it used to last longer than this |
| 06:28.33 | johnx | wifi on? playing video? |
| 06:28.36 | benson | 1 year? not horrible. |
| 06:28.44 | Macer | wifi yes |
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| 06:28.55 | Macer | have it tethered to my g1 |
| 06:28.56 | benson | From what I hear, that's typical. |
| 06:29.03 | Macer | adhoc |
| 06:29.04 | johnx | yeah, batteries do get worse over time, especially if you drain them flat all the time |
| 06:29.17 | benson | Also, one of mine is getting pretty weak-sauce, and I've had one of them for a year. |
| 06:29.19 | Macer | i do ;) |
| 06:29.31 | benson | Of course, I don't know which is which... |
| 06:29.40 | Macer | heh |
| 06:29.58 | Macer | n800 + g1 is nice |
| 06:29.59 | johnx | can probably look at the serial number and guess |
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| 06:30.13 | johnx | Macer, which is faster for web surfing? |
| 06:30.25 | Macer | 900kbit |
| 06:30.33 | Macer | the n800 |
| 06:30.37 | johnx | :) |
| 06:30.47 | Macer | g1 is still good tho |
| 06:30.53 | Macer | nice browser |
| 06:30.55 | johnx | are you using microb on the n800 or a webkit-based browser? |
| 06:31.02 | Macer | microb |
| 06:31.13 | Macer | running maemo on it |
| 06:31.29 | Macer | microb isnt bad at all |
| 06:31.34 | Macer | bbiab |
| 06:31.44 | johnx | it's not bad. the replacement webkit engine for it is quite impressive though |
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| 06:37.56 | edrex | johnx: is tear very usable? |
| 06:38.10 | johnx | quite |
| 06:38.30 | johnx | reminds me: I need to try the latest release :) |
| 06:38.47 | johnx | I've been using the webkit engine for the Nokia browser ui a lot too |
| 06:39.16 | edrex | johnx: they use the same webkit lib? |
| 06:39.26 | edrex | i'm rather space-limited |
| 06:39.30 | johnx | I think they can, or they can use different ones |
| 06:39.41 | johnx | ah. me too :/ |
| 06:42.05 | Macer | well |
| 06:42.17 | Macer | going to watch a vid now |
| 06:42.28 | johnx | enjoy |
| 06:42.28 | Macer | i missed my n800 |
| 06:42.37 | Macer | wish i had an n810 |
| 06:42.50 | Macer | for the qwerty |
| 06:43.12 | Macer | think i'll wait on the n900 |
| 06:43.14 | benson | You know they're back in stock at buy.com, $220 |
| 06:43.15 | johnx | I really need to try an n810 and compare that keyboard against my zaurus... |
| 06:43.29 | Macer | and get an n810 for $20 |
| 06:43.38 | Stskeeps | morn |
| 06:43.40 | ds3 | G1 support tethering? |
| 06:43.48 | johnx | mornin' Stskeeps |
| 06:43.48 | Macer | ds3 yes |
| 06:43.58 | Macer | have to root it |
| 06:43.58 | GAN800 | ds3, only as a hack |
| 06:44.01 | ds3 | Macer: w/o hacking the OS? |
| 06:44.04 | ds3 | Oh like that bah |
| 06:44.15 | Macer | it is easy to do |
| 06:44.16 | ds3 | I need a nice tethering GSM phone |
| 06:44.23 | Macer | better too |
| 06:44.40 | Macer | can get open updates |
| 06:44.50 | GAN800 | ds3, N-series? |
| 06:44.53 | ds3 | enough things to hack.... need something that just works |
| 06:45.05 | Macer | instead of waiting 3 yrs for tmob |
| 06:45.16 | Stskeeps | mm, gf home now so im prolly only online during work and free time |
| 06:45.20 | ds3 | GAN800: do the N-series work better then the older nokia phones for tethering? |
| 06:45.28 | Macer | get an n95 |
| 06:45.43 | Macer | mine worked great with att |
| 06:45.45 | ds3 | i.e. can it remain ready to accept a bluetooth DUN connection all the time w/o me having to select a menu option? |
| 06:45.45 | GAN800 | ds3, as far as I'm aware there are no issues. |
| 06:45.55 | Macer | yes |
| 06:46.01 | ds3 | what's the N95's battery life like? |
| 06:46.12 | Macer | crappy w/g3 |
| 06:46.19 | johnx | Stskeeps, sounds good. Take a break and enjoy. :) I'll look at the other items in red |
| 06:46.23 | ds3 | what's crappy? |
| 06:46.27 | Macer | like 2 hrs constant use? |
| 06:46.27 | GAN800 | I have a Samsung SGH-A717 as a dumb phone for tethering and voice currently. |
| 06:46.28 | ds3 | 1 day? 2 days? |
| 06:46.33 | ds3 | Oh |
| 06:46.34 | Macer | maybe 3 |
| 06:46.41 | GAN800 | 3g is killer |
| 06:46.46 | Macer | yah |
| 06:46.50 | ds3 | TMO don't have much 3G |
| 06:46.58 | ds3 | plain EDGE is sufficient |
| 06:47.09 | GAN800 | I get 3 or 4 hours on my Samsung |
| 06:47.09 | Macer | they use a different freq |
| 06:47.15 | Macer | 1700 |
| 06:47.23 | Macer | att uses 1900 |
| 06:47.29 | johnx | I want a "phone" that's just a dumbphone with bt and HSPA built around a 4 cell Li-ion :) |
| 06:47.35 | ds3 | but does TMO even have 3G in most areas? |
| 06:47.40 | Macer | my n95 doesnt work with tmob |
| 06:47.49 | ds3 | johnx: yeah... something like that |
| 06:47.55 | Macer | johnx haha! |
| 06:48.00 | benson | ds3: not most... |
| 06:48.10 | benson | not here. :( |
| 06:48.12 | GAN800 | johnx, 6650 fold uses the BP-4L |
| 06:48.27 | Macer | johnx.. go old school |
| 06:48.27 | benson | But I get along fine with EDGE. |
| 06:48.28 | johnx | GAN800, ok, then it needs 3 more cells and I'll be happy |
| 06:48.32 | Macer | get a suitcase phone |
| 06:48.34 | ds3 | arrggg.... why does it have to be so difficult to find a good tethering phone to replace an aging Treo650 @#$@^%@$$$@# |
| 06:48.55 | Macer | ds3 .. n95 is great for it |
| 06:49.06 | Macer | you won't find a long battery life on any 3G phone |
| 06:49.08 | johnx | ds3, because cellcos don't make money off tethering |
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| 06:49.17 | Macer | heh |
| 06:49.25 | ds3 | Macer: I get about 12hours of use on the Treo650... and that is not what I am hearing about the N95 |
| 06:49.28 | GAN800 | johnx, well, it's better than most. ;) |
| 06:49.29 | Macer | johnx.. you should see the abortion called skype lite for android |
| 06:49.33 | ds3 | johnx: they can go eat dirt... |
| 06:49.44 | Macer | ds3 because it is edge? |
| 06:49.54 | GAN800 | ds3, just get the RX-51? |
| 06:50.03 | ds3 | Macer: yep... so you are saying I can get about that much using EDGE on a N95? |
| 06:50.13 | Macer | yyes |
| 06:50.18 | Macer | heh |
| 06:50.18 | ds3 | Ohhhh |
| 06:50.24 | johnx | 's going to stuff a gumstix w/ HSPA modem and a laptop battery into a Motorola DynaTac |
| 06:50.25 | ds3 | GAN800: what's a RX-51? |
| 06:50.34 | GAN800 | ds3, next Maemo tablet. |
| 06:50.40 | ds3 | oh the OMAP3 thingie |
| 06:50.45 | Macer | what are they going to sell at? |
| 06:50.45 | GAN800 | OMAP3, HSPA, etc. |
| 06:50.48 | Macer | starting price? |
| 06:50.50 | johnx | I'll market it as "a phone you could beat someone to death with" |
| 06:51.01 | ds3 | I don't think I want the phone/radio tied into the same battery as my tablet |
| 06:51.09 | Macer | i hope they don't screw you with the skype |
| 06:51.11 | GAN800 | Hehe |
| 06:51.14 | Macer | and that it remains voip |
| 06:51.18 | Macer | the one for android calls a number |
| 06:51.25 | GAN800 | No phone, just data |
| 06:51.26 | Macer | and uses skype money to make calls |
| 06:51.29 | Macer | what a load of shit |
| 06:51.38 | ds3 | it is nice to be able to fall back to a free WiFi after the phone battery dies |
| 06:51.47 | Macer | speaking of which.. now that i am tethered.. i can use skype on my n800 |
| 06:51.49 | johnx | ds3, and vice versa :) |
| 06:51.58 | Macer | i think i'm going to get an earpiece for my n80 |
| 06:51.58 | johnx | nice to be able to make calls after my tablet conks out for the day |
| 06:52.08 | benson | I wouldn't mind the all-one-battery aspect... |
| 06:52.09 | benson | stuffs 3 pocketpowers in my jacket and 1 in my pants. |
| 06:52.20 | ds3 | johnx: eh? I see about 3 days of usage on the tablet battery vs 12hours on the treo |
| 06:52.23 | Macer | haha |
| 06:52.39 | johnx | ds3, aaah, a treo and a fresh tablet battery. opposite situation to me |
| 06:52.45 | Macer | pocket powers? |
| 06:52.47 | benson | Yeah, Skype works fine over EDGE here. |
| 06:52.59 | ds3 | johnx: how do you get that much life out of a treo?! |
| 06:53.00 | Macer | you can'tget actual cell calls while on edge tho |
| 06:53.05 | Macer | can't do both at once i shoud say |
| 06:53.12 | benson | Macer: Battery pack w/ built-in inverter |
| 06:53.17 | ds3 | voice is a secondary communications channel for me |
| 06:53.19 | johnx | ds3, no treo. :) I have a neat little SE not-quite-smartphone and a tablet with an ancient abused battery |
| 06:53.20 | benson | Got 'em cheap off woot. |
| 06:53.20 | Macer | that's awesome |
| 06:53.27 | Macer | i need to get something like that |
| 06:53.43 | johnx | benson, inverter?! O_o ugh |
| 06:53.48 | Macer | rechargable? or something you have to shove batteries in? |
| 06:53.51 | ds3 | oh |
| 06:54.10 | benson | rechargeable, they've got AAs inside, but you can';t access them. |
| 06:54.11 | ds3 | let me price out an N95 |
| 06:54.18 | Macer | haha |
| 06:54.25 | StsN800 | johnx, providers here talk about tethering as a use for their subscriptions and sure takes their price for the data |
| 06:54.28 | johnx | benson, so it will give you AC current? |
| 06:54.40 | Macer | StsN800: att does that |
| 06:54.44 | Macer | and their tethering sucks |
| 06:54.49 | Macer | att's network in general in chicago sucks |
| 06:54.59 | Macer | which is why i dropped them |
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| 06:55.09 | ds3 | hmmm not many sellers of the N95 |
| 06:55.16 | johnx | StsN800, in the US they keep low prices for data plans to get people to buy them (normally no one does). and they want high prices for thethering at the same time |
| 06:55.25 | Macer | n95 is the best phone i've ever had |
| 06:55.32 | jaska | (wtf at charging different for tethering) |
| 06:55.32 | Macer | if it worked with tmob i would have kept using it |
| 06:55.39 | edrex | has anybody worked on stripping down an os2008he image? (removing minimo etc)? |
| 06:55.40 | StsN800 | johnx, hehe, greedy fuckers |
| 06:55.43 | ds3 | what's wrong with N95 on TMO? |
| 06:55.45 | Macer | jaska .. att charges almost fifty more |
| 06:56.00 | Macer | ds3.. tmob uses a different freq |
| 06:56.06 | jaska | none of them charge any different here |
| 06:56.07 | Macer | i'm sure you can find one that supports it |
| 06:56.09 | ds3 | macer: just for 3G |
| 06:56.13 | ds3 | right? |
| 06:56.13 | Macer | yes |
| 06:56.18 | Macer | they use 1700 |
| 06:56.19 | benson | johnx: Yes, AC and USB output. |
| 06:56.20 | johnx | StsN800, that's what happens with government sponsored cabals |
| 06:56.23 | benson | http://www.flickr.com/photos/31311658@N07/3214279987/ |
| 06:56.49 | johnx | benson, sweet jebus, that's huge! |
| 06:56.55 | Macer | trust me tho.. not sure if you have used 3g . but it's worth it |
| 06:56.58 | Macer | find an outlet haha |
| 06:57.01 | ds3 | grumble |
| 06:57.02 | benson | Fits fine in a hip pocket. |
| 06:57.14 | Macer | it's like going back to a dial up after using a fast cable modem for a year |
| 06:57.17 | ds3 | wonder if those low end samsung TMO carries will do data tethering |
| 06:57.20 | benson | And it can't be beat when something needs AC. |
| 06:57.33 | GAN800 | ds3, likely |
| 06:57.34 | Macer | ds3.. someone here has one.. i wouldn't touch that piece of shit |
| 06:57.34 | benson | But there's better options for USB only. |
| 06:57.36 | Macer | heh |
| 06:57.44 | Macer | i love my G1 |
| 06:57.52 | Macer | android is a pretty good os |
| 06:57.53 | johnx | benson, but you don't even need the inverter for what you're doing. it's taking up a big part of the space I bet |
| 06:57.54 | ds3 | Macer: what's the problem? |
| 06:57.58 | benson | Indeed. |
| 06:57.59 | ds3 | Android blows chunks |
| 06:58.04 | ds3 | and the G1 feels cheap |
| 06:58.07 | Macer | i think it's great heh |
| 06:58.09 | benson | Like I said, they were cheap. |
| 06:58.11 | jaska | java-only for apps, wtf? |
| 06:58.15 | Macer | yeah.. the g1 does feel flimsy |
| 06:58.20 | Macer | but the os is worth it |
| 06:58.21 | benson | And my jacket has pocket-space to spare. |
| 06:58.28 | ds3 | maybe that's cuz I been working too much with the Android stuff |
| 06:58.44 | benson | (And I don't have a USB charger for my N800, yet.) |
| 06:58.46 | Macer | personally i think it's great |
| 06:58.48 | ds3 | Macer: know if the Debian reflash for the G1 will support tethering? |
| 06:59.09 | Macer | no.. i have been using open firmware updates |
| 06:59.29 | Macer | have 2 finger zooming for the browser now |
| 06:59.50 | ds3 | can you use the on phone browser at the same time it is tethered? |
| 06:59.52 | Macer | i know they were having problems with their bt stack which is why they didn't get dun working |
| 06:59.57 | Macer | sure |
| 06:59.59 | StsN800 | benson, re moblin thread, i'm not disagreeing on mer being a more potential player than moblin.. moblin looks like a joke |
| 07:00.00 | johnx | does it seem like they're going to really go nuts preventing people from hacking? or will they turn a blind eye? |
| 07:00.06 | Macer | but like i said.. i am tethering over wifi |
| 07:00.15 | ds3 | oh :P |
| 07:00.19 | Macer | johnx.. i don't think google cares |
| 07:00.26 | Macer | tmob is probably more pissy at it than them |
| 07:00.26 | edrex | ds3: debian on g1? |
| 07:00.35 | ds3 | edrex: yeah |
| 07:00.43 | edrex | android on top? |
| 07:00.46 | Macer | especially when they find out everybody is wifi tethering which can't be tracked |
| 07:00.49 | Macer | haha |
| 07:00.49 | ds3 | nope, replaces android |
| 07:00.52 | johnx | would be funny to have t-mo trying to lock down android. wonder how far that'd get :) |
| 07:01.07 | Macer | dun requires a "call" and access point to proxy |
| 07:01.10 | benson | Macer: t-mobile allows tethering. |
| 07:01.16 | ds3 | I might consider the G1 if the phone module is usable in debian |
| 07:01.20 | Macer | benson.. not on their 3g networks |
| 07:01.21 | edrex | ds3: do your calls go into /var/log/syslog? |
| 07:01.27 | edrex | ;P |
| 07:01.40 | ds3 | macer: not if you have a valid data plan |
| 07:01.41 | Macer | they will cut you off if they find out you are using a 3G phone as a modem |
| 07:01.50 | ds3 | edrex: no idea |
| 07:01.50 | benson | Oh, ok. Thought they were the same. |
| 07:01.52 | Macer | which they don't |
| 07:02.03 | Macer | the only true data plan they have is for their pda phones |
| 07:02.18 | Macer | which is why they don't say "unlimited data" |
| 07:02.20 | ds3 | What do you mean? |
| 07:02.29 | Macer | they say "unlimited borwsing, unlimited email" |
| 07:02.34 | ds3 | I have their old data plan |
| 07:02.37 | Macer | browsing |
| 07:02.41 | ds3 | not the current stuff they offer |
| 07:02.44 | benson | I have unlimited tetherage at $5.99... so far. |
| 07:02.57 | Macer | when i asked about it at the actual place they said you can not use it as a mdem |
| 07:03.07 | benson | But that's not gonna last forever, I know... |
| 07:03.18 | Macer | a data plan and tethering plan are different things |
| 07:03.26 | Macer | att charges fifty for a tethering plan |
| 07:03.33 | Macer | you access a different ap |
| 07:03.36 | ds3 | they clearly said tethering was allowed on this plan |
| 07:03.49 | Macer | wow.. they told me i couldn't |
| 07:03.50 | GAN800 | I can tether with my $20 plan |
| 07:03.58 | edrex | ds3: enough things to hack.... need something that just work then ds3: I might consider the G1 if the phone module is usable in debian |
| 07:04.06 | edrex | :) |
| 07:04.15 | johnx | nice catch edrex :) |
| 07:04.17 | ds3 | Macer: my plan is no longer offered |
| 07:04.28 | Macer | either way it goes.. they will probably get pissy when they relize their network is going to shit because people like me are downloading 200MB videos |
| 07:04.43 | ds3 | edrex: the debian comment is about using it as a hacked device... not a daily use device |
| 07:04.45 | Macer | to watch on my n80 or g1 |
| 07:04.45 | Macer | heh |
| 07:05.00 | ds3 | i.e. as a modem to play with; the first one was for an actual replacement of the Treo |
| 07:05.08 | ds3 | edrex: clarified? =) |
| 07:05.24 | Macer | first phone i used for it was a sanyo with sprint back in the day when it was a new thing |
| 07:05.24 | edrex | i'm considering g1. hope I don't have to hack it to be useful |
| 07:05.32 | Macer | edrex .. you do |
| 07:05.47 | Macer | you can use it quite a bit stock.. but it's a lot better if you just go ahead and hack root on it |
| 07:05.56 | edrex | wouldn't mind a phone with ubuntu tho. what's happening with that moko thingie |
| 07:06.01 | ds3 | it will be considered a toy like the Motorola Linux phones, except their modems aren't fully working in the replacement OS |
| 07:06.29 | Macer | never saw the motorolas |
| 07:06.33 | johnx | edrex, just hold out for Mer: phone edition |
| 07:06.39 | Macer | i don't know.. i dno't think it's a toy.. i think if they get some good apps going on it .. then it will be just as good as maemo |
| 07:06.47 | Macer | they are working on androffice |
| 07:06.47 | Macer | heh |
| 07:07.29 | edrex | hmm, no aptitude in maemo-extras. how to whittle down image with no aptitude? |
| 07:07.38 | RST38h | moo all |
| 07:07.46 | johnx | edrex, apt-get and dpkg |
| 07:07.54 | johnx | gronk RST38h |
| 07:08.35 | edrex | johnx: dpkg --get-selections will tell me what's installed. but aptitude will tell me size, dependencies, etc, so I can dump unneeded libs |
| 07:08.53 | johnx | edrex, ah, hmm. one sec :) |
| 07:09.09 | GAN800 | aptitude is on -developers |
| 07:09.18 | edrex | ah, thx GAN800 |
| 07:09.25 | johnx | GAN800, bah! well that takes all the fun out of it |
| 07:10.44 | Macer | haha |
| 07:10.55 | Macer | ah well.. ttyl |
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| 07:11.40 | edrex | GAN800: is that extras-devel? |
| 07:16.28 | johnx | edrex, or you could do this: http://pastebin.ca/1321523 |
| 07:17.59 | edrex | very useful. still haven't found developers.. |
| 07:18.58 | johnx | kind of takes forever though O_o; |
| 07:21.09 | benson | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/aptitude/ |
| 07:21.45 | benson | Hmmm... no arm debs, though, i386 only. |
| 07:22.13 | edrex | hmm dpkg --status `dpkg --get-selections` might be faster |
| 07:22.39 | johnx | ah, didn't know dpkg --status would act on more than one package |
| 07:23.53 | edrex | i have the benefit of a debian machine with full manpages :) |
| 07:24.01 | benson | -developers meant maemo-developers@maemo.org, I think: |
| 07:24.02 | benson | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2009-January/054009.html |
| 07:24.16 | johnx | edrex, I didn't even RTFM :) |
| 07:28.44 | edrex | can't get the output to look nice tho |
| 07:32.48 | ds3 | a |
| 07:33.04 | edrex | somebody mentioned maemo-mini-curl, but I can't find it anywhere. Is it already installed somewhere, as an apt-get dependency? |
| 07:33.15 | johnx | yes |
| 07:33.19 | johnx | it's part of apt |
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| 07:34.24 | edrex | but it's not on my path anywhere |
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| 07:35.44 | johnx | ls /usr/bin/maemo-mini-curl |
| 07:35.51 | johnx | wait, which OS version is this? |
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| 07:36.01 | edrex | johnx: it's not there in 2008he |
| 07:36.22 | johnx | huh. might be a diablo thing then |
| 07:36.31 | edrex | maybe they changed apt-get to use libcurl directly or something |
| 07:36.33 | edrex | bah |
| 07:36.42 | johnx | it's part of apt-https |
| 07:36.44 | edrex | is diablo newer |
| 07:36.56 | johnx | yeah, diablo is the second OS2008 release |
| 07:37.07 | johnx | 2008he is based on chinook (the first os2008) |
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| 07:37.25 | johnx | do you have the apt-https package? and what files does it own? |
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| 07:40.19 | edrex | it's not avail. might try to install from diablo |
| 07:41.30 | edrex | strange there isn't actually a binary package at http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/a/apt-https/ |
| 07:41.33 | edrex | ah well ... |
| 07:41.35 | edrex | :) |
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| 07:42.02 | edrex | my quest to trim the cruft from 2008he |
| 07:42.02 | johnx | aaah, I wonder if this has to do with access to the locked diablo upgrades section |
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| 07:49.22 | StsN801 | johnx, planning to test kernel plus jffs image today |
| 07:53.04 | L0cutus | buongiorno |
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| 07:57.02 | StsN801 | wb johnx |
| 07:57.29 | johnx | new hal-info on my desktop ate my inet connection (!!) |
| 07:58.11 | johnx | that was a rather inelegant upgrade... |
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| 07:58.20 | johnx | anyways, I gotta head out to work |
| 07:58.35 | johnx | will probably be on at various points during work, as usual :) |
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| 07:59.09 | StsN801 | cya |
| 07:59.20 | RST38h | johnx: Say hi to Japanese students :) |
| 07:59.52 | johnx | will do |
| 07:59.57 | Jucato | konbanwa? |
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| 08:10.24 | edrex | does tear integrate with the maemo browser menu (wondering how much of microb is advisable to rip out) |
| 08:11.05 | benson | You mean the navigator menu? |
| 08:11.16 | benson | There's a new one for Tear. |
| 08:11.18 | edrex | yes |
| 08:11.43 | edrex | so it comes with it's own menu? I'm trying to make room in 2008he for tear, etc |
| 08:12.14 | benson | Not comes with, separately developed. |
| 08:12.38 | benson | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26475&page=2 |
| 08:12.50 | benson | by TrueJournals |
| 08:13.32 | edrex | ah, thx |
| 08:14.14 | edrex | hmm freed only 10M |
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| 08:16.10 | X-Fade | Morning |
| 08:17.37 | RST38h | morning. |
| 08:20.28 | Jucato | gnuton!! |
| 08:20.36 | RST38h | BTW, am I the only one experiencing 1-3 second delays in MediaBox? |
| 08:20.40 | RST38h | Even when scrolling? |
| 08:22.00 | gnuton | Jucato: 'morning! :D |
| 08:22.31 | Jucato | good day to you too :) |
| 08:23.35 | edrex | StsN801: so looks like I'm stuck with os on internal flash. strangely, the 64M card that came with the device works great as swap |
| 08:23.59 | edrex | wondering about possibility of creating a stripped down Mer |
| 08:24.33 | edrex | I could just do a berserker run through the tarball as a "proof of concept" :) |
| 08:26.22 | edrex | (ie, small enough to fit in 128M internal flash) |
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| 08:31.26 | gnuton | Jucato: what time is it there? |
| 08:31.35 | Jucato | 16:31 :D |
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| 08:32.03 | gnuton | Jucato: haha :D ok |
| 08:35.24 | Stskeeps | edrex: should be possible but i'm not sure how good it fits |
| 08:35.41 | Stskeeps | edrex: you can probably play with the imager |
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| 08:36.43 | edrex | Stskeeps: i'll try to set up a scratchbox or whatever you developer types call it on my ubuntu box |
| 08:36.48 | edrex | :) |
| 08:36.57 | Stskeeps | edrex: ah, i'd rather recommend a qemu-arm VM |
| 08:37.02 | Stskeeps | for the imaging purposes |
| 08:37.04 | edrex | ah |
| 08:37.11 | Stskeeps | i use this virtual machine..: |
| 08:37.37 | edrex | i can just install aptitude on that since it has universe and everything right? |
| 08:38.01 | edrex | with aptitude I should be able to whittle it down pretty good |
| 08:38.12 | Stskeeps | mm, well, i use a debian armel VM and then just grab ubuntu's debootstrap |
| 08:38.16 | Stskeeps | and grab our imager (a big shell script) |
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| 08:39.04 | edrex | so is there a point at which you're running the image in qemu? |
| 08:39.12 | Stskeeps | edrex: no, we just generate it there |
| 08:39.26 | Stskeeps | as in chrooting |
| 08:39.32 | edrex | ie, how do you select packages etc? are they just hardcoded in the script? |
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| 08:39.50 | edrex | ah, I' should just try it and find out |
| 08:40.03 | Stskeeps | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mer-committers/m-r/imager/files , look at targets/ platforms/ foundations/ |
| 08:41.29 | edrex | looks a bit like openembedded |
| 08:41.34 | Stskeeps | http://people.debian.org/~aurel32/qemu/armel/ |
| 08:41.50 | Stskeeps | edrex: well this is all debootstrap and apt-get tricks + chroot |
| 08:42.26 | Stskeeps | i also have a script that builds jffs images and such |
| 08:43.55 | Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/generate-images.txt |
| 08:44.17 | edrex | is there a way to run the final image in qemu, just to experiement? |
| 08:45.05 | Stskeeps | possibly, but you need a versatile kernel |
| 08:45.28 | Stskeeps | as it's a different platform it emulates, it doesn't do 770 emulation |
| 08:46.08 | edrex | ah |
| 08:47.56 | edrex | it's strange, there is one card that works reliably with my 770 |
| 08:51.39 | Stskeeps | the 128mb one? :P |
| 08:51.53 | edrex | 64mb, that comes with the device |
| 08:51.58 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 08:52.04 | Stskeeps | with badblocks check and all? |
| 08:52.12 | edrex | ya, it's solid |
| 08:52.23 | Stskeeps | Khertan: around? |
| 08:52.24 | edrex | even with 48khz kernel |
| 08:52.46 | Stskeeps | edrex: hmm |
| 08:52.49 | RST38h | http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0122092meat1.html |
| 08:53.08 | edrex | and the other cards work fine with a reader, so they're not really fried. maybe not enough voltage in the 770 or something |
| 08:53.09 | RST38h | hey, Sts, how is Mer going? =) |
| 08:53.15 | Stskeeps | RST38h: good, really |
| 08:53.25 | Stskeeps | i mean, looking at moblin goals.. we're doing great |
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| 08:53.39 | RST38h | Sts:Have you finally integrated closed components? |
| 08:53.58 | Stskeeps | RST38h: not yet, i need to make a proper list to be sent to the lawyers |
| 08:54.12 | Stskeeps | seriously though |
| 08:54.13 | Stskeeps | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/01/intel-releases-linux-based-moblin-2-alpha-for-netbooks.ars |
| 08:54.17 | Stskeeps | this is a joke. |
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| 08:54.25 | Stskeeps | they want to pass off XFCE as a "mobile environment" |
| 08:54.28 | RST38h | btw, you do have a technical proof-of-concept version of Mer with these components integrated? |
| 08:54.48 | Stskeeps | RST38h: i know how to integrate them from deblet times |
| 08:55.01 | RST38h | Well, XFCE is a reasonable choice. |
| 08:55.01 | Stskeeps | and from experiments |
| 08:55.18 | Stskeeps | RST38h: yes, but xfce is in no way power saving, it's a desktop.. |
| 08:55.34 | Stskeeps | and thinking of how long time they have worked on this stuff, they really stalled |
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| 08:56.18 | RST38h | It is lighweight and as far as eyecandy goes, they have got some implementation freedom |
| 08:56.40 | RST38h | Sts: Power saving has nothing to do with the desktop sw |
| 08:56.43 | Stskeeps | yeah, but anyone can whip up a xfce desktop |
| 08:56.51 | RST38h | Sts: They have started from scratch with Moblin2 |
| 08:57.08 | `0660 | gnome seems fast enough on atom |
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| 08:57.30 | RST38h | Besides, the main point of Moblin is not to have a nice desktop but to develop low level mobile stuff for intle chips |
| 08:57.35 | RST38h | wifi, power saving, etc |
| 08:57.53 | wazd | hello everybody) |
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| 08:58.08 | Stskeeps | morning wazd |
| 08:58.28 | wazd | Palm's totally dumbasses. To make a calculator on OMAP3 x( |
| 08:58.49 | RST38h | wazd: Is it news to you? :) |
| 08:59.32 | Stskeeps | ~flashing |
| 08:59.32 | infobot | flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 08:59.54 | wazd | RST38h: I don't get how a human can be such an idiot) |
| 08:59.57 | Jaffa|gone | Morning, all |
| 09:00.05 | wazd | Jaffa|gone: hey) |
| 09:00.30 | Stskeeps | tests out jffs2 version of mer |
| 09:00.38 | wazd | RST38h: It's like adding 30 km/h limiter to Veyron :) |
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| 09:00.53 | RST38h | wazd: This isn't news since their first ARM based hw came out |
| 09:01.04 | RST38h | wazd: You know how it worked? ;) |
| 09:01.27 | edrex | Stskeeps: hmm there is alot that could be stripped out. icons, vim, universe repo would get it down around 230M |
| 09:01.33 | edrex | still a ways to go |
| 09:01.49 | Stskeeps | edrex: yeah |
| 09:01.50 | wazd | ,\RST38h: Well, I was too young to know that ancient times) |
| 09:02.02 | RST38h | wazd: Basically the whole OS run in a 68020 *emulator* |
| 09:02.20 | RST38h | wazd: All the code was still 68000, not ARM |
| 09:02.41 | edrex | lots of python and perl libs too |
| 09:02.53 | RST38h | wazd: Furthermore, the only way to run ARM application code was to make it a DLL with a single "native" entry |
| 09:02.56 | wazd | RST38h: oh :) Then it's like step forward now for palm) |
| 09:03.10 | Macer | it is nice to use my n800 on the move again |
| 09:03.19 | RST38h | wazd: There were exactly 2 screen resolutions: 160x180 and 320x320 (later, Sony added 480x320) |
| 09:03.39 | Stskeeps | watches Mer boot from jffs o/ |
| 09:03.57 | wazd | jffs = Jaffa filesystem?) |
| 09:03.58 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Speed differences? |
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| 09:04.11 | RST38h | wazd: You had to write your 68000 code in Metrowerks IDE that couldn't compile stuff without crashing at least once and each of your programs or DLLs was limited to 64000 bytes in size (don't ask) |
| 09:04.34 | RST38h | wazd: Have I forogtten to mention that PalmOS had no notion of "files" or "file system"? :) |
| 09:04.52 | aquatix | it has |
| 09:04.59 | aquatix | but only on external cars |
| 09:05.03 | aquatix | *cards :) |
| 09:05.17 | RST38h | ah yes - if your device supported an external card :) |
| 09:05.29 | wazd | RST38h: well... :) |
| 09:05.44 | wazd | RST38h: then they have a real revolution now) |
| 09:05.56 | RST38h | Programming for PalmOS was as close to zoophilia as I ever care to get |
| 09:06.53 | Macer | hm |
| 09:06.56 | wazd | I heard that Newton has some interesting kind of fs |
| 09:07.22 | RST38h | was informed yesterday that Moscow has got the second largest WiMax netowkr in the world |
| 09:07.49 | RST38h | First being in Chicago, although Chicago one is not yet operational. Weird. |
| 09:08.12 | wazd | RST38h: well, Moscow has 2 networks already) |
| 09:08.24 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: hm, since it doesnt boot completely i can't tell yet |
| 09:08.38 | RST38h | wazd: I think they guy just added 'em up |
| 09:08.41 | monkeyiq | robtaylor: ping? |
| 09:08.59 | RST38h | s/they/the/ |
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| 09:24.18 | robtaylor | monkeyiq: hey! |
| 09:24.53 | robtaylor | monkeyiq: sorry i've not replied to your mail yet, too many things to do :/ |
| 09:26.15 | monkeyiq | robtaylor; no worries, I'll sit back and wait a while. Just making sure no SPAM or black hole bot chomped 'em ;) |
| 09:28.29 | wazd | http://code.google.com/p/einstein/ |
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| 09:28.43 | wazd | Interesting, Tablets are mentioned |
| 09:31.09 | Stskeeps | wazd: yeah, think there was a port |
| 09:31.27 | Meiz_n810 | advanced-power often shows 165mHz in Mer |
| 09:31.47 | Meiz_n810 | In Maemo i have seen that only few times |
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| 09:41.28 | RST38h | wazd: Does it mean they have got a secret port of NewtonOS for the NITs? |
| 09:46.42 | Macer | i liked the newton |
| 09:46.52 | wazd | RST38h: well, i've read that it works but needs some optimisations |
| 09:46.53 | Macer | it was ahead of its time |
| 09:47.22 | Macer | talk about a missed cornered market |
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| 09:48.04 | RST38h | what cpu did Newton use anyway? |
| 09:48.22 | RST38h | Macer: It was AFTER the Atari Portfolio though |
| 09:48.30 | RST38h | And Atari was the original netbook, hehe |
| 09:49.06 | wazd | 20mhz arm) |
| 09:49.07 | florian | good morning |
| 09:49.17 | wazd | florian: hey |
| 09:49.38 | Macer | well.. |
| 09:49.55 | Macer | usually arm based thigs ran newton |
| 09:50.22 | Jaffa | RST38h: I't snot that secret, in that you can download it and run it. It's more of a runtime environment for which you still need the Newton's ROM |
| 09:52.32 | Macer | For a portion of the Newton's development cycle (roughly the middle third), the project's intended programming language was Dylan |
| 09:52.44 | Macer | wow... dylan? |
| 09:55.51 | Stskeeps | " Great news for iPhone development, as Apple now allows apps to communicate with each other. " |
| 09:55.54 | Stskeeps | oh wtf |
| 09:56.19 | Jaffa | Macer: Even at the time of the Newton, there were more non-ARM machines running ARM chips than Newtons. Hell, there were more Archimedeses in use than Newtons |
| 09:56.55 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: presumably something like "send some data to them they can pick up when they next start" (given they aren't permitted to multitask) |
| 09:57.34 | Stskeeps | heh |
| 09:58.02 | Macer | iphones cant multitask? |
| 09:58.12 | Ki6AMD | nope |
| 09:58.17 | wazd | Macer: well, technicaly can |
| 09:58.20 | Macer | wow |
| 09:58.29 | wazd | Macer: ideologicaly no) |
| 09:58.52 | Macer | didnt know that |
| 09:59.00 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: http://repo.moblin.org/connman/docs/connman-lk2008.pdf something to consider for Mer, maybe |
| 09:59.00 | Macer | never used one |
| 09:59.05 | Ki6AMD | ...a condition of their api |
| 09:59.52 | wazd | Macer: you can enable multitasking after jailbreak though |
| 10:00.45 | glass | condition of their policy |
| 10:00.56 | glass | to fuck up IM client writers and such |
| 10:00.59 | Ki6AMD | laughs at iPhone fans (including his friends) |
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| 10:01.35 | wazd | glass: well, they planned some background services to keep IM connections |
| 10:01.46 | wazd | glass: but I don't know if they are on now |
| 10:01.46 | Ki6AMD | background IM on the iPhone? Not happening |
| 10:02.05 | Ki6AMD | No |
| 10:02.06 | glass | wazd: technically the os supports bg and has always supported so it's just bullshit-spinning-pr talk |
| 10:02.12 | Macer | watching tudors on my n800 |
| 10:03.11 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: Looks interesting. Assuming it's reusable and works |
| 10:03.13 | Ki6AMD | Listening to a podcast while IRCing on my N810, while I download another podcast... try that on an iPhone |
| 10:03.26 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: yeah.. i wouldn't mind pushing for it even if i do like ICD |
| 10:03.52 | wazd | Ki6AMD: well, it can do that stuff after jailbreak as I said) |
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| 10:04.26 | Ki6AMD | wazd: N810 does it out of the box |
| 10:04.43 | wazd | KiAMD: so what?) |
| 10:04.45 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: As long as the plugins are there to get the functionality, I like it |
| 10:05.04 | wazd | KiAMD: n810 does not many things that iphone does) |
| 10:05.08 | Ki6AMD | and if I wasn't a fan of my theme or OS I have a CHOICE |
| 10:05.36 | Ki6AMD | wazd The N810 does more than what an iPhone can |
| 10:06.01 | wazd | KiAMD: does it phones?) |
| 10:06.09 | Ki6AMD | Yes |
| 10:06.17 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: Says first release at Xmas - did it happen? |
| 10:06.25 | wazd | Ki6AMD: okay, does it GSM phones?) |
| 10:06.32 | Ki6AMD | Yes |
| 10:06.49 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: ...and will it carry on as a project with the change in focus on Moblin |
| 10:06.57 | wazd | Ki6AMD: we're talking bout different devices then) |
| 10:07.26 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: i think it was released, lemme see |
| 10:07.38 | tank-man | oh yea! can an iphone make you a sandwich?! |
| 10:07.53 | Jucato | GSM on the n810? /me needs to find out how to do that :/ |
| 10:07.59 | Ki6AMD | I bluetooth connect to my FREE phone from AT&T and have unlimited bandwidth for $20 /mo. (Not $30) and make SIP calls |
| 10:08.11 | Jucato | aah |
| 10:08.13 | wazd | Ki6AMD: btw, right now jailbreak is like installing an app, so you can consider it as an app |
| 10:08.43 | glass | it's not official.. you can't create daylight stuff and expect to get much users |
| 10:08.48 | Ki6AMD | I also Watch my cable TV through my Hava TV, apple banned that from their app store with slingbox |
| 10:08.49 | glass | if it needs jailbreak |
| 10:09.26 | glass | but lunch-> |
| 10:09.30 | wazd | Ki6AMD: You can't call from n810 itself |
| 10:09.30 | Ki6AMD | wazd: ALL of my apps are 100% FREE |
| 10:09.46 | Ki6AMD | wazd Yes I can |
| 10:09.50 | wazd | Ki6AMD: I SEE YOU WITH NORMAL FONTSIZE!!11 |
| 10:10.17 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: http://git.moblin.org/repos/?p=projects/connman.git |
| 10:10.20 | wazd | Ki6AMD: Under "phone" I meant cellphone calls |
| 10:10.31 | wazd | without any connections and stuff |
| 10:10.37 | Ki6AMD | Do you know what SIP is? |
| 10:10.55 | wazd | Ki6AMD: you can't SIP in the middle of a field |
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| 10:11.09 | Ki6AMD | wazd, the iphone needs a connection too to make calls |
| 10:11.24 | wazd | Ki6AMD: GSM, yep |
| 10:11.27 | Ki6AMD | wazd: I can. |
| 10:12.14 | wazd | I think we have Jesus in here :) |
| 10:12.14 | Ki6AMD | I can connect through a GSM phone wirelessly tethered, or WiMax |
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| 10:13.01 | Ki6AMD | wazd: If there's no cell towers, neither of us can make a call... |
| 10:14.09 | wazd | Ki6AMD: Let's compare one device, not pairs, tripples, bags and so on |
| 10:15.13 | wazd | KiAMD: Or I'll say that my netbook can take 21 megapixel images and has changable lens just because it has USB :) |
| 10:15.24 | Ki6AMD | So yes, if we are both on a deserted island you'll pray for a cell tower, and I'll pray for either a cell tower, wifi, or wimax |
| 10:15.32 | lcuk | why compare? just install mer on both :) |
| 10:15.47 | tank-man | compare both out of the box new |
| 10:15.55 | Ki6AMD | Mer installs on the iPhone? |
| 10:15.56 | tank-man | no jailbreak |
| 10:16.10 | wazd | tank-man: no additional software then |
| 10:16.12 | lcuk | compare them whilst falling from a plane while embedded in the windpipe of a giraffe |
| 10:16.13 | Ki6AMD | tankman: thank you |
| 10:16.24 | X-Fade | Fremantle SDK pre-alpha2 has been released !! |
| 10:16.25 | X-Fade | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/07a262bcedec11ddabdc07d2d12051a151a1/ |
| 10:16.48 | X-Fade | With a lot more open projects.. |
| 10:16.55 | Ki6AMD | wazd: is this an iPhone irc room? I wasn't aware? |
| 10:17.05 | tank-man | wazd, what do you mean, iphone has an app store out of the box as the n8x0 have a package manager out of the box |
| 10:17.19 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: oh ffs |
| 10:17.26 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: this -always- happens when i have the least time to hack :( |
| 10:17.34 | wazd | tank-man: iPhone has jailbreak ootb :) |
| 10:17.41 | wazd | screw iphone |
| 10:17.49 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Heh, I can't help that.. Sorry :) |
| 10:17.49 | wazd | What's boput fremantle) |
| 10:17.50 | Ki6AMD | N810 supports Java ... enjoy that wazd |
| 10:18.19 | X-Fade | This release features the Media Application Framework (formerly announced as MIDAS). |
| 10:18.30 | timeless | ki6amd: technically sure, but in practice, is tehre a useful deb for it? |
| 10:18.36 | X-Fade | And opened DSME and BusyBox.. |
| 10:18.44 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: finally |
| 10:18.56 | X-Fade | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/dsm/ |
| 10:19.01 | Stskeeps | ok, https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/dsme/trunk/modules/emergencycalltracker.c?revision=155&root=dsm&view=markup |
| 10:19.04 | timeless | x-fade: newer prealpha? |
| 10:19.08 | Stskeeps | this so points to a maemophone |
| 10:19.11 | X-Fade | timeless: Yep |
| 10:19.11 | Ki6AMD | a deb for java? it's installed by default |
| 10:19.29 | lcuk | +1 X-Fade :D |
| 10:19.38 | wazd | 4.1 UI goddamn... |
| 10:19.59 | Ki6AMD | timeless: what? |
| 10:20.01 | timeless | x-fade/et al, fwiw... |
| 10:20.02 | X-Fade | wazd: Next release has the new UI. |
| 10:20.06 | RST38h | screeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeenshots! |
| 10:20.10 | Stskeeps | oh neat |
| 10:20.11 | timeless | mxr.maemo.org/garage should be somewhat more current |
| 10:20.22 | Stskeeps | they have documented BME protocol for reading battery level |
| 10:20.22 | timeless | not sure if it finished, but i asked swift to push an update our |
| 10:20.30 | timeless | s/our$/out/ |
| 10:20.43 | wazd | RST38h: UI's the same( |
| 10:20.46 | timeless | the source index and symlinks will get pushed a bit later after the push |
| 10:21.01 | RST38h | wazd: yea, just read to that point |
| 10:22.07 | wazd | Ki6AMD: ok, back to our compare, since SDK has nothing interesting for me :) |
| 10:22.21 | wazd | Ki6AMD: Java is not in extras |
| 10:22.31 | Ki6AMD | a news headline you'll never read: Nokia blocks an application in their repository because it competes with an App they have |
| 10:22.57 | Ki6AMD | wazd JAVA is installed ootb! |
| 10:22.59 | RST38h | wazd: Java is in extras |
| 10:23.13 | wazd | RST38h: orly?) |
| 10:23.15 | RST38h | wazd: it is pretty muchuseless though |
| 10:23.33 | RST38h | wazd: I.e. you *can* run hello world, and all those cheesy demo applets etc |
| 10:23.50 | wazd | RST38h: and Opera for example?) |
| 10:23.58 | RST38h | wazd: but it does not run j2me stuff. Tried coercing it a few days ago (Jalimo does have PhoneME package) but it did not work |
| 10:24.01 | Ki6AMD | I did say java, not JRE right? |
| 10:24.14 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: SVN is password protected for checkout on DSM |
| 10:24.21 | RST38h | AMD: if you mean javac, it also exists, natively |
| 10:24.22 | wazd | Ki6AMD: what's the point of java then xD |
| 10:24.40 | Ki6AMD | has a Mozilla based browser, NOT opera on his N810 |
| 10:25.26 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: It has been opened a few moments ago, maybe a cronjob still needs to run.. |
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| 10:25.48 | Ki6AMD | YouTube, Myspace, the more than millions of websites that use Java, that Safari on the iPhone doesn't support |
| 10:26.14 | wazd | Ki6AMD: I wonder where's java on the youtube |
| 10:26.23 | Jaffa | Ki6AMD: Do you know what you're talking about? |
| 10:26.43 | wazd | javascript != java |
| 10:26.45 | Jaffa | I'm beginning to suspect you might not. Although, you are right, there is some form of JVM shipped in Maemo devices OOTB. |
| 10:26.54 | Ki6AMD | Also, my bluetooth keyboard is nice, too bad iPhone doesn't support this apple keyboard I'm using on my N810 |
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| 10:27.09 | Jaffa | (Wayfinder has a whole load of Java classes shipped with it - presumably some commonality across platforms) |
| 10:27.35 | RST38h | Jaffa: Umgh, interesting |
| 10:27.41 | timeless | oh sweet |
| 10:27.51 | lcuk | are we sure they are used |
| 10:27.57 | lcuk | it ships with .reg files as well. |
| 10:27.57 | RST38h | BTW Wayfinder just got bought out by some phone operator, right? |
| 10:28.03 | Ki6AMD | Jaffa: You know the difference between Sun's JRE and Java right? |
| 10:28.43 | Ki6AMD | No, there's JS, Java, and JRE |
| 10:28.55 | RST38h | Introduction of MAFW seems to indicate PHP |
| 10:28.55 | Ki6AMD | these are 3 different products |
| 10:28.59 | wazd | When will Quim be on live.twit.tv then? |
| 10:29.07 | RST38h | s/PHP/PMP/ |
| 10:29.08 | RST38h | hehe |
| 10:29.09 | Ki6AMD | http://sun.com |
| 10:29.14 | lcuk | yesterday |
| 10:29.25 | Jaffa | lcuk: it's odd that when bytes are worried over in the image size, a whole load of code would be shipped that wasn't needed. But you may be right. |
| 10:29.44 | RST38h | hands Ki6AMD a basket of assorted clues on different topics |
| 10:29.58 | Jaffa | Ki6AMD: I know the difference between Sun's JRE, Java and JavaScript *very* well thank you. |
| 10:30.06 | Jaffa | Ki6AMD: How's your bytecode assembler? ;-) |
| 10:30.09 | lcuk | jaffa, im betting the shotgun approach is in use with packaging |
| 10:30.14 | Ki6AMD | hands RST38h a clue on Sun's products |
| 10:30.37 | timeless | andre__: PING! |
| 10:30.48 | Jaffa | RST38h: Yeah, the mutterings at OSiM from Nokia peeps was that the next device would be *very* multimedia focused (including large amounts on onboard storage) |
| 10:30.55 | Jaffa | And the OMAP3 means much better video playback |
| 10:31.09 | Jaffa | lcuk: Very possible, given that Wayfinder's third party anyway |
| 10:31.14 | wazd | Jaffa: hope it wont be PMP) |
| 10:31.38 | Ki6AMD | Jaffa then tell the crowd which of the 3 product is needed for youtube videos... JRE, Java or JS(which isn't actually a Sun product)? |
| 10:32.07 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:32.09 | Jaffa | JavaScript. Which is an in-browser client side scripting execution language. Which people were pointing out to you. Oh, and Flash. |
| 10:32.13 | Stskeeps | well that's definately the codename then |
| 10:32.33 | Ki6AMD | Jaffa: incorrect, both JS, and JAVA |
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| 10:33.11 | Ki6AMD | Windows has Java usually preinstalled, you might uninstall it and see what happens |
| 10:33.15 | Jaffa | Ki6AMD: Given you keep capitalising "JAVA", when the name (& trademark) is "Java"; I'm not inclined to believe you. Please supply a URL on youtube.com which includes any Java for execution in the user agent. |
| 10:33.18 | Ki6AMD | Aplle too |
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| 10:33.36 | Jaffa | Ki6AMD: Windows doesn't have Java preinstalled anymore. Where were you during the anti-trust trials? |
| 10:33.40 | timeless | jaffa: 4053 :) |
| 10:33.53 | Ki6AMD | Jaffa: uninstall Java and try going to youtube |
| 10:34.03 | timeless | ji6amd: youtube uses flash 99% of the time |
| 10:34.14 | wazd | Ki6AMD: I have no java here |
| 10:34.14 | timeless | except when it just uses mp4 |
| 10:34.14 | RST38h | Jaffa: it is one of those cases where /ignore helps |
| 10:34.22 | Jaffa | RST38h: Ah, perhaps. |
| 10:34.22 | wazd | KiAMD: and i can watch youtube |
| 10:34.32 | Ki6AMD | timeless: show me where it's an MP4 |
| 10:34.41 | Jaffa | Ki6AMD: Well, given I can watch YouTube on a stock N810 without Java, you're talking bollocks. |
| 10:34.42 | timeless | ki6amd: buy an iphone/ipod |
| 10:35.04 | Ki6AMD | And waste good money Ha! |
| 10:35.04 | Jaffa | timeless: heh, nice. |
| 10:35.05 | wazd | Ki6AMD: I think you're really messing with java/javascript) |
| 10:35.16 | timeless | m.youtube.com gives me .3gp |
| 10:35.21 | timeless | which is a container format |
| 10:35.41 | timeless | i don't speak 3gp, so i can't personally prove that it's containing mp4 |
| 10:35.49 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: i could almost hug you for going for Xsession instead of the previous mess. |
| 10:35.49 | Ki6AMD | timeless, they are .flv |
| 10:35.54 | timeless | 3gp is not flv |
| 10:35.59 | timeless | that little i know |
| 10:36.04 | timeless | http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6ei81W228ww&client=mv-google&gl=US&hl=en&warned=True |
| 10:36.18 | timeless | rtsp://fgbf.rtsp-youtube.l.google.com/CkcLENy73wIaPgkM87Zt1bzo6RMYESARFEIJbXYtZ29vZ2xlSARSBXdhdGNoWg5DbGlja1RodW1ibmFpbGCK1sn0_OOt_ukBDA==/0/0/0/video.3gp |
| 10:36.21 | timeless | it's clearly a 3gp |
| 10:36.31 | Ki6AMD | timeless: no shit, the file is on the servers as .flv |
| 10:36.39 | timeless | no. |
| 10:36.52 | timeless | and who the hell cares what format the file is on the server? |
| 10:36.53 | Ki6AMD | on http yes |
| 10:36.59 | Jaffa | Ki6AMD: YouTube now store multiple copies on the server anyway. |
| 10:36.59 | timeless | what matters is what format does the user get |
| 10:37.37 | timeless | jaffa: i was about to file a bug and say "and images has a code path that can't happen" |
| 10:37.47 | timeless | and then i decided, oh wait... just aybe... oh XXXX |
| 10:38.04 | RST38h | Umgh |
| 10:38.33 | RST38h | That was obviously an economical crisis related problem buying medication. |
| 10:38.55 | timeless | alright |
| 10:39.04 | timeless | so, at this point the only real offender i have is chat |
| 10:39.07 | timeless | frowns |
| 10:39.13 | timeless | anyone here want to try to break chat? |
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| 10:40.36 | lcuk | the pre-alpha still wont install on actual device will it |
| 10:40.47 | Jaffa | lcuk: no :) |
| 10:40.47 | timeless | lcuk: on what device? :) |
| 10:40.58 | Jaffa | lcuk: well, yes - the bits of the alpha which are in Mer |
| 10:41.00 | timeless | if you mean a hypothetical unshipped hardware product |
| 10:41.03 | Jaffa | s/alpha/pre-alpha |
| 10:41.09 | Jaffa | Which hasn't been announced. |
| 10:41.16 | timeless | then, dunno, it might, perhaps install there |
| 10:41.33 | wazd | I'm scared of Nokia's tension to plastic( |
| 10:41.42 | timeless | tension? |
| 10:41.50 | timeless | (why oh why do people use big words?) |
| 10:41.51 | RST38h | lcuk: it is too patchy at the moment, so it won't install |
| 10:42.35 | lcuk | i know that |
| 10:42.41 | wazd | timless: well, they started to put it everywhere |
| 10:42.53 | RST38h | wazd: ? |
| 10:42.53 | timeless | wazd: you mean tendency |
| 10:42.59 | lcuk | just wants real checking |
| 10:43.19 | wazd | timeless: ah, crap, Mai ingish iz sleel bed :) |
| 10:43.43 | timeless | wazd: just be careful about words w/ >6 letters :) |
| 10:45.26 | wazd | btw, does anybody knows another widescreen phone with same sliding mechanism as n97?> |
| 10:45.52 | timeless | wazd: why would someone here buy an n97? :) |
| 10:45.56 | wazd | cause I think I saw n97 live in the moscow pub |
| 10:47.08 | timeless | oh brother |
| 10:47.15 | timeless | i just got an info banner 'not available' |
| 10:47.19 | timeless | but i hadn't done anything yet! |
| 10:47.34 | timeless | oh right so, um |
| 10:47.42 | timeless | since i translated jarmo's en_FI |
| 10:47.48 | timeless | could someone help me w/ some device en_FI? |
| 10:47.52 | timeless | 1. open contacts |
| 10:48.18 | timeless | oh man |
| 10:48.20 | timeless | um.. |
| 10:48.22 | timeless | sighs |
| 10:48.24 | wazd | omg, japaneese already have 3D-ready screens in phones... |
| 10:48.24 | timeless | kicks presence |
| 10:48.40 | X-Fade | Fremantle Stars have been selected: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/0eb8fdfeedec11ddb28e1b3c4d7b308a308a/ |
| 10:48.46 | X-Fade | lcuk: Lucky you ;) |
| 10:48.52 | Jaffa | X-Fade: cool |
| 10:48.53 | timeless | presence broke my poor task navigator |
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| 10:49.04 | wazd | OMWeather! Woo!) |
| 10:49.10 | Jaffa | "early access to hardware" bah |
| 10:49.41 | timeless | wonders about the kind of hardware |
| 10:49.43 | wazd | I think that's not my case :( |
| 10:49.45 | X-Fade | Jaffa: A reason for you to visit lcuk then ;) |
| 10:49.48 | timeless | it'll probably be klunky and ugly |
| 10:49.50 | X-Fade | timeless: Final hardware.. |
| 10:49.55 | timeless | final? |
| 10:49.59 | timeless | wow, interesting |
| 10:50.02 | X-Fade | timeless: Just before release. |
| 10:50.09 | wazd | lcuk: gratz :) |
| 10:50.29 | timeless | alright guys, please be careful, you're trying to build nokia-community relations, don't hurt them :) |
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| 10:52.30 | timeless | lcuk: anyway, congrats |
| 10:53.14 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: so, will Mer 0.7 have updated components from the pre-alpha2? ;-) |
| 10:54.01 | RST38h | BlackBerry Storm costs $4 more than its purchase price to build |
| 10:54.41 | RST38h | hehehe |
| 10:54.46 | wazd | RST38h: Are all bored people in russia read engadget?)) |
| 10:55.20 | RST38h | X-Fade: Why don't I see Maemo Mapper there? |
| 10:55.29 | RST38h | wazd: It is global, I think |
| 10:55.32 | X-Fade | RST38h: Don't look at me ;) |
| 10:55.47 | RST38h | Besides, I am just reading a Google Reader feed |
| 11:01.08 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: New SDK now also has upstart included. |
| 11:01.37 | wazd | RST38h: I always wondered why Russia doesn't have proper IT-news portal |
| 11:01.55 | X-Fade | Hmm and 2.6.27 kernel. |
| 11:01.56 | wazd | RST38h: with it's own journalists, event covers and so on |
| 11:02.19 | wazd | X-Fade: upstart is that 3ms boot time magic?) |
| 11:03.36 | X-Fade | wazd: Well, it can help towards that goal.. |
| 11:06.47 | wazd | well, lack of Maemo Mapper in the list probably mean that nokia will come up with it's own stuff |
| 11:06.59 | X-Fade | wazd: OSM2GO is in there. |
| 11:07.07 | X-Fade | wazd: Which is also a mapper. |
| 11:08.50 | wazd | X-Fade: has it same ammount of functionality as MM? |
| 11:09.18 | X-Fade | wazd: I have no idea. |
| 11:10.05 | timeless | wonders how complicated it is to open file manager |
| 11:10.11 | Jaffa | thoughtfix is speculating on RX-51 announcement date. |
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| 11:11.55 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: not sure what's there to be updated just yet |
| 11:13.18 | X-Fade | Jaffa: "We're starting a rumour" :) |
| 11:14.03 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Say it three times & it's true :) |
| 11:14.20 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Well, we can always hope that he is right :) |
| 11:14.37 | Jaffa | Anyone else have problems with the Feedburner links on p.m.o, to - for example - thoughtfix's blog. I get "Redirect Loops" in Firefox |
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| 11:14.55 | Stskeeps | ok, new libhildon |
| 11:14.58 | Stskeeps | checks out changes |
| 11:16.25 | RST38h | wazd: Well, this question is really easy to answer |
| 11:16.48 | RST38h | wazd: http://arkanoid.livejournal.com/240211.html |
| 11:16.52 | Jaffa | X-Fade: indeed. Fits with what was originally talked about/hinted at in September. |
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| 11:18.46 | timeless | frowns |
| 11:19.01 | timeless | anyone here know how to get a really really really really big chat log? |
| 11:19.07 | timeless | i need one that's about 1gb :) |
| 11:19.13 | timeless | although i'd settle for one that's 20mb |
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| 11:19.54 | wazd | RST38h: what question?) |
| 11:20.03 | wazd | RST38h: ah |
| 11:20.07 | wazd | RST38h: got it |
| 11:20.09 | RST38h | wazd: about the lack of IT portal |
| 11:20.29 | wazd | RST38h: yep |
| 11:20.44 | Jaffa | timeless: that's quite a large chat... |
| 11:20.45 | lardman | morning all |
| 11:20.55 | RST38h | wazd: In fact, there was some decent portal made by SpB guys, but it was more like a hobby. Not sure if it still exists |
| 11:21.06 | Stskeeps | oh for crying f*king out loud |
| 11:21.26 | Stskeeps | it is -so- easy to find differences in packages when the previous package is deleted |
| 11:21.50 | timeless | jaffa: yeah, i know |
| 11:21.59 | timeless | i'm trying to break chat's error reporting |
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| 11:22.09 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: is the previous pre-alpha archived anywhere? |
| 11:22.38 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: presuming the content changed table and debian/changelog are useless? |
| 11:23.03 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: it is useless if you want to patch on your source trees |
| 11:23.18 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Let me find out ;) |
| 11:23.21 | wazd | RST38h: pdanes.ru? |
| 11:23.25 | Stskeeps | and the fact maemo SW started not using their SVN |
| 11:23.26 | wazd | pdanews.ru |
| 11:23.39 | Stskeeps | which was good and nice for pickup of source changes on |
| 11:23.42 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: true |
| 11:23.45 | RST38h | wazd: naah, wait... |
| 11:24.11 | RST38h | wazd: toster.ru |
| 11:25.00 | wazd | RST38h: never heard bout it) |
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| 11:28.08 | RST38h | wazd: It has not been updated for years. |
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| 11:28.24 | Stskeeps | notes to himself he will be doing a load of cursing during today. |
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| 11:39.18 | suihkulokki | Stskeeps: hmm? |
| 11:44.34 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: upstart changes file / xsession start of different hildon services :P |
| 11:44.56 | suihkulokki | oh, they put upstart out |
| 11:44.59 | Stskeeps | which is slightly more sane than the diablo way of doing things |
| 11:45.06 | Stskeeps | yeah, pre-alpha2 sdk |
| 11:45.20 | suihkulokki | url? |
| 11:45.38 | Stskeeps | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/07a262bcedec11ddabdc07d2d12051a151a1/ |
| 11:48.46 | lardman | oh good open dsme |
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| 11:49.44 | Stskeeps | lardman: yes, but we don't have wlan-cal or stlc45xx-cal that works with that DSME, i believe |
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| 11:50.56 | lardman | they work with the old version though? |
| 11:51.07 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 11:51.32 | lardman | what does wlan-cal do? load the firmware? |
| 11:51.46 | Stskeeps | calibrates wlan chip for regulatory purposes from CAL area |
| 11:52.06 | lardman | ah, ok, so has the cal area changed, or the interface between the *-cal and dsme? |
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| 11:53.06 | Stskeeps | dsme no longer deals with CAL in fremantle |
| 11:53.08 | Stskeeps | AFAIK |
| 11:53.11 | Stskeeps | anyway |
| 11:53.22 | Stskeeps | in DSME there's a test program that shows us how to make our own hald-addon-bme, i think |
| 11:54.51 | Stskeeps | as it shows the protocol for BME |
| 11:55.06 | lardman | ah, that's useful |
| 11:55.15 | lardman | I see what you mean about CAL: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20465 |
| 11:56.38 | lardman | lol @ commit message: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/dsme/trunk/?root=dsm |
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| 11:57.31 | RST38h | looks like with this SDK all the systems guys hit a motherlode =) |
| 11:57.52 | Stskeeps | motherlode |
| 11:57.53 | Stskeeps | ? |
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| 11:59.12 | Stskeeps | compiles more recent GTK |
| 11:59.21 | RST38h | Sts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_lode |
| 11:59.24 | lardman | big ore seam |
| 11:59.31 | RST38h | (courtesey of Google) |
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| 12:02.25 | Stskeeps | qgil: glad to see pre-alpha2 out :) already grabbing things from it |
| 12:02.50 | qgil | Stskeeps: :) and you will get the pre-alpha 1 sources back |
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| 12:03.07 | Stskeeps | hehe, yeah, it wouldn't a problem normally but libhildon for example is no longer updated in stage.maemo.org SVN |
| 12:03.23 | Stskeeps | so we can't "easily" grab patches :) |
| 12:03.28 | X-Fade | qgil: Always nice to see a question come back in a circular motion ;) |
| 12:03.40 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: I guess the will move to git? |
| 12:03.46 | timelE61i | fwiw, i have a cache of the debs from pre alpha 1 |
| 12:03.46 | qgil | yeah, it's a bit of a weird time - wait a bit and we will be fine |
| 12:03.49 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: probably yeah |
| 12:04.16 | Stskeeps | qgil: hehe, i can understand if you want to keep libhildon atttention low at the moment, as it often implies how UI will look :) |
| 12:04.51 | qgil | in a normal world UIs shouldn't be that important, but these days are not normal in this industry |
| 12:04.55 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 12:07.03 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Do you still have problems checking out dsme from svn? |
| 12:07.09 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: nop, it's all good now :) |
| 12:07.28 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Yeah, so it was probably because the cron job didn't run yet. |
| 12:08.57 | Stskeeps | qgil: side note, we're generating the list of firmware image contents at the moment, but we're rather hesistant to include anything above hardware interfacing, because we have no idea how Fremantle will look with regards to software etc just yet and would just like to take that discussion when it comes - is it OK that we send a list of the HW interfacing parts and have a second list when time comes, as those are the most important to have as soon as ... |
| 12:09.03 | Stskeeps | ... possible? |
| 12:10.32 | qgil | Stskeeps: now you can make the complete list corresponding to Diablo, and when Fremantle is totally out you can come up with anohter one for Fremantle |
| 12:10.48 | qgil | what the legal guys don't want is to discuss component by component in scattered conversations |
| 12:11.34 | Stskeeps | qgil: *nod* alright |
| 12:13.15 | herzi | is there a way for an application to find out whether using hildonwindow (along with its hildon_window_set_menu()) makes sense (read: if mb-wm is around)? |
| 12:13.24 | w00t_ | waves at Sts and qgil |
| 12:13.25 | Myrtti | adds herself to w.m.o/FOSDEM2009 |
| 12:14.42 | qgil | X-Fade: do you know why for the news we are getting URLs like http://maemo.org/news/announcements/0eb8fdfeedec11ddb28e1b3c4d7b308a308a/ by default instead of having a human readable default even if leaving that field in blank¿? |
| 12:15.14 | X-Fade | qgil: No, I noticed it too. Will find out what causes that. |
| 12:15.24 | qgil | and about the comments at http://maemo.org/news/announcements/0eb8fdfeedec11ddb28e1b3c4d7b308a308a/ I'm not sure whether we should go and explain why we didn't select what we didn't select... |
| 12:15.45 | X-Fade | qgil: Btw I did some tweaks to fix your split personality issue ;) |
| 12:16.23 | qgil | thanks doc |
| 12:17.21 | keesj | suihkulokki spotted upstart http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/u/upstart/ |
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| 12:21.10 | X-Fade | Heh, garage project: e^(j pi)+1=0 |
| 12:22.40 | lardman | "shortcut" name for a project called Euler? |
| 12:23.14 | X-Fade | lardman: No ejpi it seems. |
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| 12:24.07 | X-Fade | lardman: But yeah. Euler's identity.. |
| 12:24.29 | lardman | :) |
| 12:24.49 | X-Fade | Wikipedia FTW! :) |
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| 12:27.15 | qgil | first impressions about pre-alpha 2 and Fremantle Stars announced? |
| 12:27.56 | wazd_hp | Hello qgil |
| 12:28.10 | Stskeeps | good choices on fremantle stars, i guess maemo mapper would conflict a bit with existing map application(s). pre-alpha 2: business as usual, things to read through, patch, and get to compile :P |
| 12:28.57 | Stskeeps | puts on Pi soundtrack and gets at it. |
| 12:30.53 | lcuk | w00000t i are a maemo star :D |
| 12:31.02 | lcuk | i can has stars please |
| 12:31.40 | Stskeeps | puts a golden star on lcuk's forehead |
| 12:31.50 | Myrtti | can I have a pink one, plz? |
| 12:31.50 | lcuk | hehe |
| 12:31.54 | sampo | how dramatically location framework is going to change in Fremantle? |
| 12:32.07 | lcuk | pink is only available in invisible |
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| 12:32.34 | qgil | sampo: dramatically |
| 12:32.34 | lcuk | tracy was wondering why ppl were sayin stuff to me today |
| 12:32.46 | lcuk | hello qgil :) heard you last night on twit :) |
| 12:32.56 | qgil | hi lcuk |
| 12:33.02 | sampo | qgil: ok :) |
| 12:33.13 | Myrtti | lcuk: oh, but that's just fine, I'm invisible myself |
| 12:33.24 | Stskeeps | Myrtti: digital spirit? |
| 12:33.25 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 12:33.48 | Myrtti | digital invisible pink unicorn |
| 12:33.51 | lcuk | not at all myrtti |
| 12:33.53 | Myrtti | or a pegasos. |
| 12:33.57 | Myrtti | Djangopony. |
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| 12:34.11 | Myrtti | though I know not one word of django |
| 12:36.01 | lcuk | qgil, since all this is announced now and it says we can has hardware :D is it in the post ? :D |
| 12:37.53 | lcuk | at least having fbreader in as a star means for certain i dont need to worry about the book stuff myself for now. |
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| 12:43.13 | qgil | lcuk: if you notice, I never talk publicly about hardware, leave alone about unreleased hardware |
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| 13:01.46 | lcuk | lol qgil, yeah we heard last night :P |
| 13:02.11 | lcuk | i was reading from the maemo stars announcement though |
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| 13:03.24 | X-Fade | lcuk: Early access, doesn't specify what early is.. |
| 13:03.40 | lcuk | i know :P |
| 13:03.48 | X-Fade | lcuk: I'm sure it is not early enough for you and me ;) |
| 13:04.02 | StOrM_NW | good morning, everyone |
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| 13:04.22 | lcuk | though to be honest, im not that worried - i know now i have enough pure speed on this hardware, its gonne flyyyyyyy on the new stuff |
| 13:04.59 | Stskeeps | pixbuf-random.c:156: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 1 of 'assault' differ in signedness |
| 13:05.08 | Stskeeps | ponders idly what assault is :> |
| 13:05.42 | lcuk | Stskeeps, i had loads of those signedness errors with liqbase when building for x86 |
| 13:05.53 | Stskeeps | lcuk: yeah, it's fine - i'm just wondering what assault does :> |
| 13:06.39 | qgil | X-Fade: doesn't specify what hardware either. Juha has a BeagleBoard in his desk... mmmm |
| 13:06.57 | Stskeeps | should really play more with the two beagles in his office |
| 13:08.16 | lardman | are ints not the same type on ARM/x86 then? |
| 13:08.24 | lardman | one is signed by default, one unsigned |
| 13:08.35 | Stskeeps | lardman: gcc3 vs gcc4 |
| 13:08.37 | Stskeeps | gcc4 is more picky |
| 13:08.43 | lardman | right |
| 13:09.02 | lcuk | lardman, it was more to do with compiler differences |
| 13:09.11 | lcuk | in gcc4 it was more picky |
| 13:09.14 | lcuk | lol |
| 13:09.22 | lcuk | should read up |
| 13:09.29 | lcuk | i was busy reading what an assault it |
| 13:09.45 | lcuk | it appears to make hundreds/thousands of image tests on various types of images loadable by the pixbuf |
| 13:09.51 | X-Fade | qgil: But does that have gps, acceleration sensors and a touch screen? :D |
| 13:09.51 | lcuk | all different header types |
| 13:10.09 | X-Fade | qgil: I'm sure that lcuk will need all those :) |
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| 13:10.38 | lcuk | touch screen == required |
| 13:10.49 | lcuk | the other stuff will be fun to play with but not required |
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| 13:11.05 | Stskeeps | bbl |
| 13:11.26 | lcuk | i wouldv gotten myself a beagle but im not a deep down installer and i dont know how to rootstrap linux :$ |
| 13:12.43 | X-Fade | lcuk: Do you still do some clutter testing? |
| 13:13.31 | lcuk | not at this point, i split liqbase into 2 halves though. clutter knows *nothing* about how to draw lines, so its not clutter knowledge i need, its opengl itself |
| 13:13.47 | StOrM_NW | how much did ya paid for the beagle board? |
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| 13:17.56 | qgil | right, glad to see that the release went out smoothly, the next one should bring a lot of the stuff you are waiting for |
| 13:17.59 | qgil | bye! |
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| 13:23.01 | wazd_hp | Hope I'll be fricking stunned with M5 UI coolness :) |
| 13:24.20 | X-Fade | wazd_hp: There were some funky experimental ui's displayed at the summit. |
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| 13:24.39 | X-Fade | Although they had 'THIS IS NOT FREMANTLE' displayed on top of them ;) |
| 13:24.57 | wazd_hp | I only saw lack of UI there :) |
| 13:25.00 | lcuk | keeps playing with funky uis as well :) |
| 13:25.11 | wazd_hp | Like only title and thats all :) |
| 13:26.44 | lcuk | X-Fade, do you know anything about fbreader and whether any of the other OSes have kinetic scrolling (apart from the java version for iphone) |
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| 13:30.19 | wazd_hp | lcuk: does real book has kinetic scrolling?) |
| 13:31.59 | X-Fade | lcuk: I have no idea. |
| 13:32.23 | wazd | Book is not a list, kinetic scrolling is useless with it |
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| 13:32.35 | X-Fade | wazd: Dynamic page flipping :) |
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| 13:32.41 | lcuk | wazd, continous scrolling however isnt |
| 13:32.51 | lcuk | and kinetic is just the understandable description thereof |
| 13:33.01 | wazd | The best way is to tap the screen to switch the page |
| 13:33.26 | lcuk | no, because on my 810 i keep catching it |
| 13:33.38 | lcuk | its simply a bit too slow at updating on 810 |
| 13:33.59 | wazd | lcuk: it's too hard to setup the speed properly |
| 13:34.09 | lcuk | the user should be able to choose his movemet method |
| 13:34.10 | wazd | lcuk: like movie credits |
| 13:34.13 | lcuk | wazd, of course not |
| 13:34.24 | lcuk | ive used continous scrolling for years in numerous pdas |
| 13:35.04 | lcuk | brb work |
| 13:35.10 | wazd | lcuk: hmmm... Is there a problem with different line length? |
| 13:36.03 | X-Fade | lcuk: With a forward facing camera, you could keep track of the eyes.. |
| 13:36.23 | X-Fade | lcuk: So you can see if the person is still reading and thus needs to keep scrolling.. |
| 13:38.22 | wazd | X-Fade: and check reader's face, is he interested or not)) |
| 13:38.33 | wazd | X-Fade: if not - load different book :) |
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| 13:39.47 | wazd | Does anybody know when yesterday's FLOSS podcast will be available for download? |
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| 13:45.25 | X-Fade | wazd: Looking at the other release dates... On saturday? |
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| 14:06.00 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: ping? |
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| 14:13.45 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: pong |
| 14:14.07 | herzi | need a nice todo-list application? http://wiki.github.com/herzi/classify |
| 14:14.15 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Marcell uploaded prealpha1 again.. Just for you ;) |
| 14:14.18 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0prealpha1/free/ |
| 14:14.24 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: ta :) |
| 14:15.00 | Stskeeps | can it stay there? it's a lot to download for now :) when next one comes out i'm happy to let alpha1 go :P |
| 14:15.02 | X-Fade | The idea is now to keep the 2 most recent version around... |
| 14:15.04 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 14:17.03 | Jaffa | herzi: needs screenshots ;-) |
| 14:17.16 | herzi | Jaffa: reload |
| 14:17.17 | herzi | :-) |
| 14:17.48 | Jaffa | herzi: none that I can see :-( |
| 14:18.11 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-classify.png ;) |
| 14:18.17 | herzi | Jaffa: sorry, clicked on preview, not update |
| 14:18.21 | herzi | not it's there |
| 14:18.25 | herzi | *now |
| 14:19.12 | Jaffa | cool |
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| 14:40.27 | wazd | Is it interesting to talk bout nokia "app store" concept?) |
| 14:40.51 | wazd | I have some ideas bout it but don't know if it's interesting |
| 14:41.05 | Stskeeps | a blog post can always work i guess :P |
| 14:41.32 | X-Fade | wazd: Sure, I have been meaning to start a blog post about our previous discussion here ;) |
| 14:47.33 | johnx | w00! almost friday |
| 14:48.27 | johnx | and is that a new pre-alpha to play with? |
| 14:48.33 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 14:48.36 | Stskeeps | and DSME |
| 14:48.45 | johnx | open source DSME? |
| 14:48.50 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 14:48.58 | johnx | cool |
| 14:49.02 | johnx | but no OHM? |
| 14:49.10 | Stskeeps | not yet |
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| 14:49.49 | Stskeeps | i wonder if they fixed https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3997 in hildon-desktop because: dbus-glib 0.74-0 -> osso70.78-0maemo1 , and no upgrade in hildon-desktop |
| 14:49.53 | Stskeeps | which means HD will crash instantly |
| 14:50.26 | Stskeeps | i wonder if someone can check that in the pre-alpha2 if HD even works :> |
| 14:51.14 | johnx | if only there was another mer dev who is well rested and just got home from work... |
| 14:51.16 | johnx | :) |
| 14:51.19 | johnx | I'll look |
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| 14:51.46 | Stskeeps | i've upgraded GTK and libhildon in progress |
| 14:52.28 | johnx | anything interesting? |
| 14:53.03 | Stskeeps | not that much, new widgets i think |
| 14:53.15 | johnx | ah, neat |
| 15:04.13 | johnx | so the new vid of the pandora hardware looks pretty nice :) |
| 15:04.30 | Stskeeps | is it a plastic casing of a devel board? ;) |
| 15:05.03 | johnx | it's the FDM prototype case with the production board if I understand correctly |
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| 15:09.54 | wazd | whoa |
| 15:10.05 | wazd | Pandora looks super-oldskool |
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| 15:10.35 | Stskeeps | 80s? |
| 15:11.02 | wazd | well, that's how future looked in 80's xD |
| 15:11.04 | qgil | Stskeeps: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0prealpha1/ |
| 15:11.18 | Stskeeps | qgil: yup, X-fade told me just before :) |
| 15:11.23 | Stskeeps | thanks! |
| 15:11.37 | qgil | what we'll probably do is to keep the last 2 unstables |
| 15:11.49 | qgil | e.g. delete pre-alpha when the next unstable comes |
| 15:11.51 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 15:11.53 | Stskeeps | makes sense |
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| 15:12.14 | qgil | ok then, back to family shift |
| 15:12.16 | johnx | yeah, the pandora looks really retro-futuristic. I love it :) |
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| 15:13.59 | AndrewFBlack | Anyone every had trouble installing Easy Debian? |
| 15:14.23 | wazd | btw it was a real surprise for me to know that aluminium casings costs bout 20-30$ more that plastic ones |
| 15:14.53 | lardman | yay, finally got sqlite3 code sorted |
| 15:15.17 | lcuk | \o/ lardman, what was the problem with the init? you said something like "i think i see it now" |
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| 15:15.38 | lcuk | and did the example opening code i showed you highlight the problem |
| 15:16.21 | lardman | yeah, a couple of things - calling the error fn when the db didn't exist was one problem, plus the fact that the sqlite3 fns return different things - not just the error codes that the sqlite3_err fn understands |
| 15:16.47 | lardman | lcuk: no, I had pretty much the same, but I just borrowed some code from maemo-mapper poi.c, which did the job with extra error checking |
| 15:16.49 | lcuk | yeah its a bit odd |
| 15:17.27 | wazd | omg, sonic 3d! I had it for my sega!) |
| 15:17.34 | lardman | I actually think the error wasn't an error at all, just the number->error function being passed the wrong value (by me) and making me think something was wrong |
| 15:18.10 | lcuk | ahhh - so you werent tracking the return value of the _open() function |
| 15:18.40 | lardman | I was, that was fine, it was when I tried to create the first table that the problem happened |
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| 15:41.57 | Stskeeps | andre__: happen to have pre-alpha2 installed yet? |
| 15:42.11 | andre__ | nope |
| 15:42.13 | Stskeeps | k |
| 15:42.17 | andre__ | is it public? |
| 15:42.19 | Stskeeps | yup |
| 15:42.26 | Stskeeps | got released today |
| 15:42.36 | andre__ | uh. yay. something to install tonight :) |
| 15:42.40 | Stskeeps | crazy question when you do.. see if the hildon UI even wants to start |
| 15:43.28 | Stskeeps | if it doesn't, it's because https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3997 happened :) |
| 15:43.33 | andre__ | hehe |
| 15:43.35 | Stskeeps | (the preliminary thing i was speaking about) |
| 15:43.49 | Stskeeps | because as i thought, they -would- upgrade to 0.78 :P |
| 15:44.45 | andre__ | hehe. |
| 15:44.54 | Stskeeps | is patching away today |
| 15:45.08 | andre__ | well, currently i'm reading diffs (bug 3846) and tweaking some scripts to make some annoying wontfix internal discussions less time-consuming by having some generic copy&paste comments for my dear friends at nokia :-P |
| 15:45.22 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 15:45.43 | andre__ | too many debates coming up too often... :) |
| 15:45.56 | Stskeeps | if bugs.maemo.org can be hell at times i can't imagine how the internal ones are.. |
| 15:46.00 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 15:46.19 | andre__ | oh well. if you're a developer you try to minimize the income of new work. :-D |
| 15:47.02 | andre__ | and wontfix is only one click away. way too easy. it should require at least a 30000 words comment! :-P |
| 15:47.05 | andre__ | </irony> |
| 15:47.37 | Stskeeps | "i told you so", "it WORKSFORME, and so be it!", etc? ;P |
| 15:48.17 | andre__ | well. some people also have a strange definition of what they call "FIXED" too... :-/ |
| 15:50.43 | Stskeeps | with mer we're trying to make a list of what things could be useful to ask nokia if we can distribute from maemo.org.. it's worse than writing a christmas list |
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| 17:28.46 | dob | so NIT loads the maemo kernel before bootmenu, right? Does mer then roll on using this same kernel or does it kexec/something its own kernel? |
| 17:30.10 | johnx | it uses the same kernel right now |
| 17:30.19 | johnx | potentially we could be using kexec later |
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| 17:35.47 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, Pandora. . . . |
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| 17:37.22 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, it lives :) |
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| 17:38.49 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, it's funny to watch people become disillusioned one after another. |
| 17:38.56 | GeneralAntilles | Like you didn't expect it right from the start. |
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| 17:39.46 | johnx | the people making the most noise about delays seem to be mostly the people who bought it on an impulse the day it made slashdot |
| 17:40.19 | johnx | noise goes down proportional to how long they were waiting *before* preorders :) |
| 17:40.20 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: can you verify the zImage kernel runs tabletinit? i'm honestly not sure it does |
| 17:40.29 | kup | hi. how can i check from command line or python if the headphone is connected? |
| 17:40.35 | Stskeeps | i made some tests earlier and it ran /sbin/init i think |
| 17:41.27 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, eurgh. The cmdline says init=/sbin/tabletinit or similar, I'd bet my right ball on it. But I'm feeling dead atm so I really can't be bothered to test anything atm |
| 17:41.47 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: it's fine |
| 17:42.34 | johnx | kup, might this be helpful? http://kagumedia.com/projects/kagu/browser/trunk/src/kagu/maemo.py |
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| 17:43.26 | kup | i'll look at it. thx johnx |
| 17:44.36 | kup | johnx: that's what i needed |
| 17:44.38 | kup | :) |
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| 17:44.58 | johnx | kup, I googled: maemo dbus headphone connected :) |
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| 17:49.55 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: catching up on the last half years homework? ;) |
| 17:50.58 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, nah, just feeling shitty after getting back from central london :P |
| 17:51.20 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: ah, yeah, the air must be fierce ;) |
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| 17:57.00 | ccooke | What's the current favourite email client on the Nokia? I think I've got my spam cut out enough to actually find it useful :-) |
| 17:57.09 | Stskeeps | likes claws |
| 17:58.07 | johnx | uses modest but not everyone likes it *looks above him* |
| 17:58.56 | Stskeeps | pokes gtk build with a stick |
| 17:59.04 | fireun | hasnt mutt been ported yet? (: |
| 17:59.07 | Stskeeps | gtk docs.. horrible |
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| 17:59.33 | johnx | fireun, almost certainly |
| 17:59.42 | johnx | and there's alpine too |
| 17:59.43 | qwerty12 | fireun, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23544 |
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| 18:00.49 | ccooke | ooh, mutt. That would be perfect! |
| 18:00.51 | ccooke | Thank you! |
| 18:01.12 | johnx | crazy people with their hardware keyboards :P |
| 18:01.29 | dob | packages.debian.org for maemo and mer would be nice... |
| 18:01.51 | GeneralAntilles | dob, it's planned. |
| 18:02.07 | dob | GeneralAntilles: using the same software? |
| 18:02.18 | GeneralAntilles | dob, haven't gotten that far you. |
| 18:02.20 | GeneralAntilles | s/you/yet/ |
| 18:04.03 | lcuk | whacks johnx on the head with an ibm model m |
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| 18:04.59 | johnx | stares at lcuk, continues tapping away at his 'microsoft basic keyboard' |
| 18:05.42 | johnx | though if it was a real model m that should have read 'johnx dies from blunt force trauma' |
| 18:05.54 | lcuk | yeah was just typing similar |
| 18:06.01 | lcuk | i had a model m for many years |
| 18:06.25 | johnx | I worked in tech support and got used to using anything that was in front of me at the time |
| 18:06.40 | lcuk | i got it from a 286, it was only when i got a computer where i couldnt fit the old DIN->ps2 converter that i tried to destroy it |
| 18:06.51 | lcuk | (the dent in the concrete reminded me every day) |
| 18:07.14 | lcuk | johnx, im a left hander and have to get used to using mice normally |
| 18:07.47 | johnx | lcuk, I used mice left handed all the time, though admittedly I was slower at it |
| 18:07.54 | lcuk | there was one guy who used inverted mouse buttons (also a leftie, but wanted to prove the point). my middle finger is left mouse button |
| 18:08.05 | Stskeeps | timeless: why on earth would translation strings go from "Control panel" (sane) to "!!Settings" |
| 18:08.15 | johnx | what really trips me up is when left handed people leave their buttons setup 'right handed style' |
| 18:08.25 | lcuk | like me :) |
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| 18:08.51 | lcuk | though i usually rest both fingers on left mouse button location |
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| 18:09.18 | lcuk | there was another guy who used a mouse twisted round - ie wire and buttons nearest him |
| 18:09.30 | lcuk | freaked the fck out of anyone who saw him |
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| 18:10.45 | johnx | the weirdest one was I had a friend who was killer at FPS games, but could only play well using a trackball |
| 18:10.52 | Stskeeps | 'Fremantle Clock UI Specification' |
| 18:11.01 | Stskeeps | people write specifications for clocks? scary |
| 18:11.07 | lcuk | yes |
| 18:11.16 | lcuk | the clock in maemo currently is very poor |
| 18:11.19 | johnx | 1. it should show the time. 2. hours before minutes. |
| 18:12.13 | lcuk | 12/24hour, show minutes? seconds?, can you change it directly, what about alarms ... |
| 18:12.18 | johnx | no |
| 18:13.07 | johnx | I would be awesome at writing specs |
| 18:13.49 | lcuk | i cant wait to be able to story board the whole process :) |
| 18:14.23 | timeless | didn't i explain that earlier? |
| 18:14.27 | timeless | we don't recycle translations |
| 18:14.31 | timeless | we recycle translators |
| 18:14.36 | timeless | and specifications |
| 18:14.43 | timeless | which means any translation we paid ofr |
| 18:14.45 | timeless | we discard |
| 18:14.51 | timeless | and then pay the same person to translate it again |
| 18:15.00 | timeless | but in the interim, at project restart, you get !!stuff again |
| 18:15.08 | timeless | but probably more importantly |
| 18:15.11 | johnx | hmmm...sounds nice and cushy :) |
| 18:15.14 | timeless | it means that the old string 'control panel' |
| 18:15.21 | timeless | has been replaced by a new intended string 'settings' |
| 18:15.31 | Stskeeps | timeless: lovely |
| 18:15.34 | timeless | which means it will have to be retranslated as 'settings' for the languages |
| 18:15.40 | timeless | the better question is... |
| 18:15.44 | timeless | why didn't the id change |
| 18:15.50 | timeless | since clearly the meaning quasi-changed |
| 18:16.05 | timeless | most localizers would complain if you change the meaning w/o changing the id |
| 18:16.18 | timeless | ours just take our money and don't complain :) |
| 18:16.18 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I learned how to fly left-handed. |
| 18:16.35 | lcuk | u can fly? |
| 18:16.36 | timeless | johnx: yeah, my view is cushy |
| 18:16.38 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, trackball FPS used to me. ;) |
| 18:16.47 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, *flight sims*. ;) |
| 18:16.54 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, but I can fly with my left or right hand. |
| 18:17.12 | lcuk | :D heh |
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| 18:17.33 | lcuk | hasnt been given a star since primary school |
| 18:17.41 | Stskeeps | +# There is not enough battery left on the device to install Maemo update. There has to be at least 50% of power left. |
| 18:17.44 | Stskeeps | neat |
| 18:18.12 | GeneralAntilles | So, what, 10 minute battery life? ;) |
| 18:18.20 | GeneralAntilles | Assuming an install takes about 5 minutes |
| 18:18.32 | GeneralAntilles | I guess they're also running OpenGL demos during? |
| 18:19.08 | dob | so there's no real curl for diablo? :/ |
| 18:19.10 | lcuk | why? console mode installation required |
| 18:19.14 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, think big SSU, not flash :P |
| 18:19.43 | lcuk | gotta go help with tea, bbl |
| 18:22.25 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, sorry, I'm being facetious. ;) |
| 18:22.45 | GeneralAntilles | dob, is wget not workable? |
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| 18:24.17 | timeless | yeah, i see it |
| 18:24.20 | johnx | whenever I see 'moblin' I keep thinking 'mobile goblin.' I wonder if they really thought that name through... |
| 18:24.21 | timeless | oops, wrong window |
| 18:25.12 | dob | GeneralAntilles: hmm, it might just work with wget afterall :) |
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| 18:29.26 | Lamo | anyone in here using adeona? |
| 18:31.28 | Stskeeps | heh, that's a funny use of DHT's |
| 18:32.56 | herzi | is there some code snippet that creates a toolbar using gtkuimanager and that uses named icons (just like all the other nokia apps on the device)? |
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| 18:41.53 | Stskeeps | johnx: upgrading cut-n-paste btw |
| 18:41.57 | Stskeeps | to 100% |
| 18:42.03 | johnx | ah, great! |
| 18:42.28 | johnx | another one of those nokia init scripts that boils down to a one liner |
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| 18:42.45 | Stskeeps | did you see upstart source package in pre-alpha2? |
| 18:42.49 | Stskeeps | they use Xsession now :) |
| 18:42.53 | Stskeeps | (sui did it) |
| 18:42.57 | johnx | ah! I didn't even look for it |
| 18:42.58 | johnx | neat |
| 18:44.25 | Stskeeps | i tested x86 vm earlier and it didn't seem to do the cursor detection in first-boot-wizard atleast btw |
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| 18:44.58 | johnx | heh...that would be because I completely forgot about first boot wizard when doing cursor detection :) |
| 18:45.24 | Stskeeps | well then :) |
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| 18:45.31 | johnx | on my todo :) |
| 18:45.58 | Stskeeps | i won't be able to make it with the kernel + jffs so we scrap that for next release |
| 18:46.10 | Stskeeps | (going to gf's masters thesis defense tomorrow and my tablet victim is at work) |
| 18:49.01 | lcuk | Stskeeps, johnx did you see b-man's ubuntuish rescue screen, i thought it looked really nice and chunky |
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| 18:49.38 | Stskeeps | lcuk: nop did not |
| 18:49.49 | lcuk | but i have to ask, why do these rescue screens assume no touch? |
| 18:49.55 | lcuk | is it simply not available? |
| 18:49.56 | Stskeeps | lcuk: way too early in the process |
| 18:50.03 | lcuk | xsp not available? |
| 18:50.03 | Stskeeps | i really dont want to have to link with tslib :P |
| 18:50.12 | Stskeeps | not even X |
| 18:50.19 | johnx | the x in xsp is x :P |
| 18:50.26 | lardman | can anyone tell me the kb shortcut to change desktops? |
| 18:50.32 | lcuk | http://www.bman.maemobox.org/projects/ubuntu-n8x0/Ubuntu-rescue-menu.jpg |
| 18:50.36 | lardman | my taskbar has locked up |
| 18:50.55 | Stskeeps | lcuk: heh, self made or? |
| 18:50.57 | lcuk | :( lardman |
| 18:51.05 | lcuk | Stskeeps, its bmans not mine |
| 18:51.19 | Stskeeps | lcuk: yeah, just wondering if its made by him or not :) |
| 18:51.20 | lcuk | he posted it late on last night when noone was around |
| 18:51.20 | lardman | yeah well, I can still work, just need to go to a different desktop as that's where my code is |
| 18:51.21 | johnx | lardman, which OS or distro? |
| 18:51.25 | lardman | ubuntu |
| 18:51.44 | johnx | maybe ctrl+alt+right |
| 18:51.46 | lardman | gnome desktop |
| 18:51.51 | lcuk | brb tea ready |
| 18:51.59 | lardman | johnx: good call, thanks |
| 18:54.35 | Stskeeps | johnx: darken made a patch for -evdev that makes Fn keys work on tablet. objections against including? |
| 18:55.03 | johnx | not at all |
| 18:55.10 | johnx | is that the right place to fix it longterm though? |
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| 18:57.42 | Stskeeps | not at all |
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| 18:58.17 | johnx | :) |
| 18:58.39 | johnx | the core problem is that the driver creates events outside the normal range, right? |
| 18:59.39 | Stskeeps | yes |
| 18:59.46 | wazd | http://www.bman.maemobox.org/projects/ubuntu-n8x0/Ubuntu-rescue-menu.jpg that slightly reminds me something) |
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| 19:02.22 | wazd | http://n800.de/viewtopic.php?t=1056 |
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| 19:04.15 | johnx | nice to see the skype-with-video-support question gets asked everywhere :) |
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| 19:17.14 | RST38h | reMoo |
| 19:19.37 | johnx | hey RST38h |
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| 19:28.27 | sp3000 | wazd: the "Reboot" should be lower, it's tying to the icon directly above it more than to the selected item now |
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| 19:29.20 | timeless | yep. it should be centered between the button row and the bottom text bit |
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| 19:48.43 | b1ackdeath | dose any one know how to disable the package manager update checker? |
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| 19:53.52 | GeneralAntilles | b1ackdeath, there's a gconf setting for it. |
| 19:54.06 | b1ackdeath | thx |
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| 19:57.04 | qgil | hi, any opinions about the list of selected projects to be supported as "Fremantle Stars"? |
| 19:57.07 | qgil | eCoach - Sport & outdoor activities manager FBReader - E-book reader liqbase - Sketch playground Mauku - Microblogger without borders NumptyPhysics - Virtual gravity game OMWeather - Weather forecast widget OSM2Go - OpenStreetMap editor Vagalume - Last.fm application |
| 19:57.17 | qgil | https://maemo.org/news/announcements/0eb8fdfeedec11ddb28e1b3c4d7b308a308a/ |
| 19:57.50 | johnx | one thought: I'm really pleased you're supporting fbreader |
| 19:57.56 | johnx | and liqbase |
| 19:58.10 | qgil | 2 compliments from johnx in a row |
| 19:58.17 | qgil | I think I'll save this log ;) |
| 19:58.40 | johnx | hey. you know I love you guys. Otherwise I wouldn't be sticking with you :) |
| 19:58.59 | qgil | definitely, and viceversa |
| 19:59.24 | johnx | for example I rarely talk about Sharp (spit!) because there was nothing redeeming about the way they handled their interactions with the Zaurus community |
| 19:59.41 | mavhc | weird, with the https not http I'm asked to log in |
| 19:59.48 | qgil | argh, sorry |
| 19:59.53 | qgil | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/0eb8fdfeedec11ddb28e1b3c4d7b308a308a/ |
| 20:00.11 | johnx | ah, an earthquake, how special |
| 20:00.12 | qgil | (I really hope https behaves one day in Midgard just as it does in bugzilla or garage) |
| 20:00.31 | GeneralAntilles | Hi, qgil, good show yesterday. :) |
| 20:00.33 | GeneralAntilles | No Maemo Mapper? |
| 20:00.46 | qgil | see my comment in the announcement |
| 20:01.03 | qgil | and about show heh :) |
| 20:01.28 | RST38h | ok, back |
| 20:01.30 | GeneralAntilles | Only one I don't love on that list is eCoach |
| 20:01.39 | GeneralAntilles | Mostly because it's highly hardware-dependent |
| 20:01.43 | GeneralAntilles | and not cheap hardware, either. |
| 20:01.59 | qgil | well, it makes sense without the heart thing as well |
| 20:02.03 | RST38h | they are implementing support for more readily available hardware |
| 20:02.05 | benson | Xournal would have been nice. |
| 20:02.27 | GeneralAntilles | qgil, any comment on whether the hardware access with come with NDAs? ;) |
| 20:02.31 | qgil | there was a competition for the "sketch" slot |
| 20:02.38 | benson | As for maemo mapper, I understand your situation, but why not drop the Nokia Maps? :p |
| 20:02.53 | GeneralAntilles | benson, s/Maps/Map/g ;) |
| 20:03.01 | mavhc | some kind of media player |
| 20:03.14 | qgil | GeneralAntilles: the only OMAP3 hardware we could let someone see (leave alone touch or play with) without signing a paper would be the BeagleBoard, I guess |
| 20:03.42 | qgil | bnson, good point and I hope you get an answer when you see what the guys are cooking |
| 20:03.50 | lardman | mavhc: I guess we'll see a pretty cool revamped media player what with midas etc |
| 20:04.14 | qgil | mavhc: Vagalume? |
| 20:04.42 | GeneralAntilles | The mplayer comment is funny. |
| 20:05.01 | GeneralAntilles | I'm not sure he realizes how much of the issue is hardware-dependent. |
| 20:05.18 | qgil | mplayer and pidgin have big communities out of Maemo, that's a point I haven't even posted there, now that I think |
| 20:06.01 | GeneralAntilles | The hacks to get around the atrocious N8x0 hardware wont be required for OMAP3 anyway. |
| 20:06.13 | GeneralAntilles | as for Pidgin, I'd much rather see rtcomm mature |
| 20:06.18 | lardman | likewise |
| 20:06.30 | lardman | though bring on some location awareness too please |
| 20:06.34 | GeneralAntilles | An integrated solution is better |
| 20:06.48 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, Nokia's pushing their own location stuff, I believe. |
| 20:06.51 | johnx | wonders how hard it will be to make pidging integrate |
| 20:06.57 | johnx | ...with anything |
| 20:07.13 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: fine by me as long as it works ;) |
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| 20:10.02 | qgil | we (maemo.org) could try to "use" these 8 projects to define the ideal process for community development e.g. roadmaps and etc in wiki.maemo.org, bugs handled in bugs.maemo.org, good practices in extras unstable/stable... |
| 20:10.18 | qgil | discussion in talk.maemo.org... |
| 20:10.46 | qgil | GetInvolved pages to convert users into contributors... |
| 20:10.47 | ShadowJK | benson, "why not drop the Nokia Maps" <- eh? You sound like you're saying there is or will be nokia maps for maemo? |
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| 20:11.23 | GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, Maps for S60 and Wayfinder for Maemo are often confused. |
| 20:11.34 | ShadowJK | Ah. |
| 20:12.00 | timeless | sighs |
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| 20:12.03 | lcuk | qgil, sounds reasonable. |
| 20:12.07 | benson | Especially by people who use neither. ;) |
| 20:12.11 | lcuk | tho i missed the start |
| 20:12.18 | GeneralAntilles | qgil, did you watch the video stream from the show. A number of Maemo bugs were featured rather prominently. :( |
| 20:12.22 | johnx | ShadowJK, especially since the app calls itself 'Map' in Maemo4, instead of wayfinder :) |
| 20:12.26 | timeless | i just tried to use "Windows Search" |
| 20:12.37 | timeless | it failed... it couldn't find a message i had never received |
| 20:12.40 | timeless | blames sp3000 |
| 20:12.49 | qgil | not the video stream, the chat only - I didn't want to stress the bandwith at home |
| 20:13.07 | GeneralAntilles | qgil, he had LCARS on the N800 he was demoing. |
| 20:13.24 | ShadowJK | I prefer Maps because it seems to have better maps and more POI, but wayfinder runs on the device with the bigger screen.. :( |
| 20:13.26 | timeless | he mentioned having lcars a couple of tijmes |
| 20:13.32 | timeless | but yeah, there were a couple of bugs |
| 20:13.32 | GeneralAntilles | I saw the Federation logo come up as he booted it and laughed out loud. |
| 20:13.33 | lcuk | qgil, the 800 on show worked nicely, but a few times it got over stimulated and showed off things which we would rather not happen |
| 20:13.38 | timeless | except i wasn't familiar w/ all of his bugs |
| 20:13.51 | qgil | btw, if you have your 'most preferred' bugs and you want to know whether they can be reproduced in Fremantle, put me in CC |
| 20:14.02 | ShadowJK | Is this video available anywhere? |
| 20:14.07 | timeless | i'd hope so |
| 20:14.11 | timeless | but i haven't looked yet |
| 20:14.17 | GeneralAntilles | http://twit.cachefly.net/odtv/0128-floss54.mp4 |
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| 20:14.37 | timeless | gan: we need an annotation service so you can timestamp and comment about the bugs :) |
| 20:14.38 | qgil | ah, cool. I'll look at it once I recover some sleeping hours |
| 20:15.09 | mavhc | http://wiki.twit.tv/wiki/FLOSS_Weekly_54 is the wiki page for that episode |
| 20:15.24 | GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3678 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3659 |
| 20:15.46 | johnx | hmm...pidgin should be able to integrate nicely with lots of things. wonder why no one has bothered... |
| 20:16.10 | lardman | it's a bit clunky and kills the battery? |
| 20:16.17 | qgil | mavhc: intresting, I didn't get any of the 3 questions from the audience in that wiki pag |
| 20:16.18 | qgil | e |
| 20:16.44 | johnx | lardman, ah, didn't know about the battery issue |
| 20:20.18 | GeneralAntilles | Well, #1 and #3 were answered in a round about way. |
| 20:20.23 | lardman | johnx: yeah, they may have fixed it, I;ve no idea - it didn't offer any more than the built in (other than location abilities) so I came back |
| 20:20.58 | johnx | lardman, these days I think more and more from a starting-from-scratch Mer perspective |
| 20:22.21 | lardman | perhaps, I like integrated though |
| 20:22.46 | lardman | I also don't think of Mer like that, but as a bridge to Fremantle |
| 20:23.01 | lardman | but then I'm probably alone in that :) |
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| 20:23.46 | johnx | it looks dead simple to 'integrate' pidgin just as much as rtcomm is integrated |
| 20:24.03 | johnx | the deciding factor will be if parts of rtcomm/chat are still closed source |
| 20:24.05 | lardman | fine by me |
| 20:24.28 | lardman | the integration bit, not the closed bit that is :) |
| 20:24.44 | johnx | and yes, mer is a bridge to fremantle for lots of devices :) |
| 20:30.24 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, you don't get to dodge responsibility today. :P |
| 20:31.01 | lardman | for what? |
| 20:31.07 | johnx | fails to achieve victory |
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| 20:31.56 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, accept the invite. |
| 20:32.03 | lardman | hey Tim |
| 20:32.11 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: not seen anything yet |
| 20:32.11 | timsamoff | Hey, guys. |
| 20:32.33 | lardman | ah, it appears out there, all becomes clear :) |
| 20:33.15 | Stskeeps | ~seen meizirkki |
| 20:33.18 | infobot | meizirkki <n=Meizirkk@bbwirelessgw2-fee7dc00-167.dhcp.inet.fi> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 3h 26m 12s ago, saying: 'Stskeeps: ok'. |
| 20:34.25 | johnx | Stskeeps, yes, mismatched passwords are checked, auto-swap enable doesn't work - i left dummy code in from testing :) |
| 20:35.16 | Stskeeps | johnx: even when second password = ""? |
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| 20:36.00 | johnx | if [ $password1 != $password2 ] ; then ... |
| 20:36.50 | Stskeeps | johnx: ah, so it dies :P |
| 20:37.15 | Stskeeps | if [ != ]; then ..? :P |
| 20:37.29 | johnx | then no soup for you, try again |
| 20:37.59 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 20:38.23 | johnx | http://pastebin.ca/1322106 |
| 20:38.52 | johnx | it's possible I'm being dumb of course, but I don't see how you would sneak by that check short of a shell escape :) |
| 20:39.12 | johnx | though...I really need to make sure you can't sneak by it even with a shell escape... |
| 20:39.23 | RST38h | all right, uplink seems to be back online |
| 20:44.00 | Stskeeps | johnx: just to keep track, what else is on your TODO? |
| 20:44.57 | johnx | it's all first-boot-wizard for feb1st, then zaurus and hildon-desktop stuff. |
| 20:45.18 | Stskeeps | alright |
| 20:45.48 | Stskeeps | did we work on the incompatible bootmenu thing or how was it? |
| 20:46.00 | johnx | ah, right, that too |
| 20:46.06 | Stskeeps | k |
| 20:46.21 | Stskeeps | think i can take that quickly since gf is studying for her defense anyway |
| 20:46.22 | johnx | we going to go with jaws for that or the plain one wazd did? :) |
| 20:46.27 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 20:46.48 | Stskeeps | i'm not sure if the shark picture is "free" or not :) |
| 20:47.07 | Stskeeps | wazd: prod |
| 20:47.18 | qgil | GeneralAntilles: "I'm quite certain Elephanta was going to come with an OMAP3 device at the end of last year" - be less certain ;) |
| 20:47.35 | GeneralAntilles | Sith Lord! :P |
| 20:49.13 | Jaffa | There weren't any OMAP3 production devices at the end of last year, were there? |
| 20:49.21 | Stskeeps | johnx: i should really bookmark http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=wazd+http |
| 20:49.25 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: beagleboards? :P |
| 20:49.30 | daperl | johnx, what's the "first-boot-wizard?" |
| 20:49.36 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, Archos 5 shipped way back last summer. |
| 20:49.44 | Stskeeps | daperl: it is the thing that you see first time you turn on the device |
| 20:49.47 | johnx | daperl, mer thing for doing basic config on the first boot |
| 20:50.07 | johnx | daperl, same idea as the one you see on your n800 when it turns on, but mer has a better wallpaper |
| 20:50.22 | Stskeeps | johnx: http://s41.radikal.ru/i092/0901/15/3e6113653236.jpg <- this is really classic.. |
| 20:50.38 | johnx | Stskeeps, ahaha, yeah I'll have to bookmark that too |
| 20:50.53 | johnx | it's a great pic because it takes a second to figure out what's happening :D |
| 20:50.55 | RST38h | Sts: it absolutely requires the tentacles |
| 20:51.30 | johnx | RST38h, if you can do a photochop with a picture of tentacles that is legal to redistribute I think we can work something out :) |
| 20:51.41 | Jaffa_ | GeneralAntilles: What chip does the Archos 5 use? |
| 20:52.10 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa_, OMAP3430 |
| 20:52.14 | GeneralAntilles | ES2.1, I think |
| 20:52.30 | GeneralAntilles | I'm a bit surprised that they shipped it with such earlier silicon |
| 20:52.31 | GeneralAntilles | Buggy |
| 20:52.33 | RST38h | johnx: Are pictures of tentacles illegal to distribute now? =) |
| 20:52.35 | Jaffa_ | Ah, wow. After the number of rev.s the Beagleboards went through over a number of months, I'm ... snap. |
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| 20:53.10 | johnx | RST38h, well, that depends on what else is in the pic, doesn't it? but what I really meant was copyright / licensing issues :P |
| 20:53.57 | GeneralAntilles | s/earlier/early/ |
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| 20:57.00 | RST38h | johnx: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_Curse_of_California.jpg |
| 20:57.50 | johnx | RST38h, we can work with that. no show me your photochop :) |
| 20:58.03 | RST38h | johnx: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Standard_oil_octopus_loc_color.jpg |
| 20:58.28 | RST38h | Hey, I am just a stupid computer programmer. |
| 20:58.37 | RST38h | What photochop? I don't even have a mac! =) |
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| 20:59.03 | johnx | RST38h, you want the feature, you send the patch :P |
| 20:59.08 | Stskeeps | johnx: it's so nice just to write sudo reboot |
| 20:59.25 | johnx | instead of rootsh reboot? :) |
| 20:59.33 | qgil | johnx: http://flickr.com/search/?q=tentacles&l=deriv&ss=2&ct=6&s=int |
| 20:59.37 | Stskeeps | you can do that? |
| 20:59.46 | johnx | seems to work |
| 20:59.56 | Stskeeps | scary, always used sudo gainroot :P |
| 21:00.18 | johnx | I don't know if it's going through the same reboot process as nokia's menu though... |
| 21:00.26 | johnx | you have rootsh installed, right? |
| 21:00.37 | Stskeeps | yeah, i do |
| 21:00.44 | Stskeeps | not on mer, but |
| 21:00.44 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:01.10 | qwerty12_N800 | to use nokia's method of rebooting, you send a dbus signal to mce |
| 21:01.34 | qgil | http://flickr.com/photos/doctorow/135079433/sizes/o/ or do you need more tentacls in a picture? :) |
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| 21:02.28 | qgil | cool http://flickr.com/photos/24471966@N04/3067288564/ |
| 21:02.35 | qgil | ok, I'll stop now - bonne nuit! |
| 21:02.39 | Stskeeps | hehe, gnite |
| 21:02.42 | Jaffa_ | g'nite |
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| 21:03.42 | Jaffa_ | Stskeeps: is there a vmdk/VirtualBox image which shows the HAM installing problems? If so, I might be able to look at it later |
| 21:04.29 | Stskeeps | Jaffa_: mm, think so, lemme upload |
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| 21:05.07 | GeneralAntilles | Wait, do we have the DSME code finally? |
| 21:05.13 | Stskeeps | yeah, we do |
| 21:05.22 | Jaffa_ | GeneralAntilles: came today |
| 21:05.23 | GeneralAntilles | Took long enough. <_< |
| 21:05.32 | johnx | no OHM yet >_< |
| 21:05.35 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: there's also a small token gift in it if you look closely enough |
| 21:05.42 | Stskeeps | enough to implement hald-addon-bme on our own |
| 21:05.50 | GeneralAntilles | Huh |
| 21:06.01 | Stskeeps | "dummy bme" |
| 21:06.06 | Stskeeps | for testing |
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| 21:06.28 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, ping? |
| 21:06.41 | qwerty12_N800 | Bollocks regarding CAL though |
| 21:06.49 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: meh :P |
| 21:07.19 | qwerty12_N800 | Meh, makes it worthless to me. |
| 21:07.23 | Stskeeps | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/dsme/trunk/adhoc/dummy_bme.c?revision=155&root=dsm&view=markup |
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| 21:14.56 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, at for the media player, Midas is going to make it a lot simpler for 3rd-party offerings. |
| 21:17.45 | RST38h | General: As an end user, I would just prefer a lightweight, usable media player |
| 21:18.06 | GeneralAntilles | Hopefully the built-in one will be just that. |
| 21:18.12 | RST38h | General: Same with the messenger. I really do like Pidgin UI better than RTComm's =( |
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| 21:18.25 | RST38h | Not that Pidgin is ideal of course |
| 21:18.32 | GeneralAntilles | I'm interested to see if they ship AIM/MSN/Yahoo by default |
| 21:19.47 | Jaffa_ | GeneralAntilles: why do you think they might change the current position? Especially with the Ovi stuff? |
| 21:19.48 | RST38h | hopefully, as these have been ready for months now |
| 21:20.07 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa_, well, apparently it's a licensing issue. |
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| 21:21.17 | Stskeeps | evening b-man |
| 21:21.24 | Stskeeps | b-man: trouble with installer packaging btw? |
| 21:21.29 | Stskeeps | (prolly my fault) |
| 21:21.52 | b-man | no, i haven't tested it yet :) |
| 21:21.55 | Stskeeps | k |
| 21:22.04 | Stskeeps | as in building the package problems |
| 21:22.33 | Stskeeps | btw did you make the ubuntu bootmenu gfx yourself? just curious :) |
| 21:22.42 | b-man | yes :) |
| 21:23.13 | Stskeeps | not bad |
| 21:23.16 | Jaffa_ | Screenshot? :) |
| 21:23.30 | Stskeeps | http://www.bman.maemobox.org/projects/ubuntu-n8x0/Ubuntu-rescue-menu.jpg |
| 21:23.44 | b-man | :D |
| 21:23.55 | Jaffa_ | Nice |
| 21:24.06 | b-man | thanks :D |
| 21:24.15 | Stskeeps | b-man: next question |
| 21:24.24 | Stskeeps | how? :P you don't own a laptop :> |
| 21:24.35 | b-man | (yet) |
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| 21:25.01 | Stskeeps | did it in GIMP on ubuntu? ;) |
| 21:25.10 | b-man | i'm about 1/2 done with the real ubuntu-rescue-menu btw ;) |
| 21:25.14 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 21:25.24 | b-man | i used gimp in ubuntu |
| 21:26.22 | Stskeeps | well you just proved that they are actually mini computers |
| 21:26.22 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:26.38 | b-man | hehe ;) |
| 21:27.46 | b-man | (the real challenge with ubuntu-rescue-menu is to get the icons alligned perfectly) ;) |
| 21:28.48 | timeless | "No matches found" |
| 21:28.56 | timeless | <sp3000> can't start fire |
| 21:29.08 | b-man | ??? |
| 21:29.19 | Stskeeps | timeless: i would love my tablet coming with a lighter inside. |
| 21:29.20 | timeless | a conversation we had offline |
| 21:29.35 | timeless | based on a string the tablet uses fairly universally |
| 21:29.45 | timeless | changes it to: |
| 21:29.46 | timeless | "Text not found" |
| 21:30.16 | Stskeeps | does it takes regexp? if so, it should be matches |
| 21:30.16 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:30.25 | timeless | it's a generic string |
| 21:30.39 | timeless | users include rss, help, chat, and global search |
| 21:30.41 | timeless | and ntoes |
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| 21:32.34 | timeless | "Nothing matched" |
| 21:32.35 | timeless | ? |
| 21:32.38 | timeless | any preference? |
| 21:32.53 | johnx | "Out of butane" |
| 21:33.01 | GeneralAntilles | "Flame on!" |
| 21:33.10 | timeless | hey, the 770 was in Silver Surfer! |
| 21:33.22 | *** part/#maemo timsamoff (i=c6d1286a@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8a4401ed73570d50) |
| 21:33.33 | GeneralAntilles | That's how I type on the finger keyboard. ;) |
| 21:35.26 | johnx | ah, so you just jump up and down on it and any logical sentences formed are purely a coincidence? |
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| 21:36.31 | Stskeeps | waits for the bootmenu error to build |
| 21:37.32 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, sounds like my life. ;) |
| 21:39.29 | timeless | GAN, what would you do if you saw a dialog titled: |
| 21:39.29 | timeless | "Password needed" |
| 21:39.38 | b-man | Stskeeps: hehe |
| 21:39.50 | Jaffa_ | timeless: Knowing maemo - wonder where on earth to type the sodding thing? |
| 21:40.01 | timeless | rotfl |
| 21:40.10 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 21:40.11 | timeless | afaict, the answer to that is "in an example app" |
| 21:40.25 | b-man | gives timeless a barf bag |
| 21:40.35 | timeless | it seems to be part of libhildon |
| 21:40.46 | Stskeeps | b-man: did you see our beloved dialogs for incompatible bootmenus? |
| 21:40.50 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.50 | timeless | i don't see any users in garage |
| 21:41.16 | timeless | gan/jaffa: how about "Enter password" as the title? |
| 21:41.22 | timeless | would that be less offensive to your tastes? |
| 21:41.35 | Stskeeps | b-man: http://s43.radikal.ru/i102/0901/3d/5d413bc7a106.jpg |
| 21:41.36 | GeneralAntilles | "Magic box" |
| 21:41.37 | b-man | Stskeeps: not yet, i've ben busy with ubuntu-rescue-menu :) |
| 21:41.43 | johnx | "Type in the root password of that important server at work." |
| 21:41.43 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, Enter password isn't bad. |
| 21:41.44 | Jaffa_ | timeless: is it obvious what the password's for? |
| 21:41.58 | b-man | lol |
| 21:42.20 | b-man | Stskeeps: :) |
| 21:42.29 | timeless | jaffa: it's an api |
| 21:42.34 | timeless | no one uses it in maemo software :) |
| 21:42.36 | Stskeeps | tests out incompatible bootmenu |
| 21:42.38 | timeless | at least, not in diablo |
| 21:43.22 | b-man | resumes back to working on ubuntu-rescue-menu |
| 21:44.18 | RST38h | MediaBox eats 90+% CPu |
| 21:44.25 | RST38h | anyone else seen that? |
| 21:45.07 | Jaffa_ | timeless: As long as it was obvious what the password was for, it's OK. I'd prefer "Enter Facebook password" (for example) |
| 21:46.32 | Stskeeps | johnx: this image certainly has enough dramatic effect |
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| 21:46.45 | Stskeeps | nice and calm boot, splash screen, BAM, red underlining and the image |
| 21:46.45 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:46.56 | b-man | hehe |
| 21:46.57 | Stskeeps | if it had a shark too, i would have gotten a heartattack. |
| 21:47.25 | b-man | lol - especially with tat person in the background |
| 21:47.32 | b-man | re: that |
| 21:47.45 | timeless | yeah well |
| 21:47.50 | timeless | hopefully no one in the world uses it? |
| 21:48.01 | b-man | hehe |
| 21:48.07 | johnx | Stskeeps, :D |
| 21:48.29 | timeless | as i said, the only user of this seems to be a test |
| 21:48.50 | b-man | johnx: http://www.bman.maemobox.org/projects/ubuntu-n8x0/Ubuntu-rescue-menu.jpg - if you did not see it |
| 21:48.56 | johnx | the story of mer: lots of nice UI bits that probably no one will ever see :) |
| 21:49.12 | b-man | :) |
| 21:49.17 | Stskeeps | johnx: i'm sure we'll see this particular error a lot. |
| 21:49.19 | johnx | b-man, yup. saw that earlier. I'm impressed as hell you put that together on the tablet |
| 21:49.30 | b-man | :D |
| 21:49.39 | johnx | Stskeeps, well, hopefully not once we push the Mer SSU :D |
| 21:49.59 | Stskeeps | hehe ;) |
| 21:50.17 | Stskeeps | johnx: did you hear zenvoid's sounds btw? |
| 21:50.25 | johnx | ah, nope |
| 21:50.35 | johnx | I was out cold most of yesterday |
| 21:50.52 | Stskeeps | http://zenvoid.org/tmp/sounds/ |
| 21:50.56 | Stskeeps | should really hear some of them |
| 21:52.03 | johnx | will wait until the wife is awake I think :) |
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| 21:52.11 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 21:53.58 | Stskeeps | still, i must say we've accomplished a lot in 0.6->0.7 so far |
| 21:55.10 | johnx | yup. I hope to roll in the zaurus for 0.8 and hopefully attract some attention from devs in that world :) |
| 21:55.15 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 21:55.20 | Jaffa_ | cool |
| 21:55.28 | Stskeeps | it's going to be good to be able to take the 770s along in 0.7 :) |
| 21:56.26 | Stskeeps | and vmware users |
| 21:57.32 | b-man | thinks that mer could be the next huge thing in the mobil linux world :) |
| 21:57.53 | Stskeeps | b-man: at least compared to moblin, which seems a bit odd.. |
| 21:57.59 | wazd | sorry but for me sounds are really bad |
| 21:58.03 | b-man | hehe |
| 21:58.28 | Stskeeps | wazd: hehe, i think they were also an initial example of what is possible |
| 21:58.32 | RST38h | Moblin is done by a company that has never done any OS distribution before |
| 21:58.46 | RST38h | And has somewhat limited experience releasing software products |
| 21:58.52 | wazd | I hate loud and harsh sounds |
| 21:59.03 | RST38h | Your nemesis is not Moblin but Ubuntu Mobile |
| 21:59.06 | b-man | spreads the news of ubuntu-rescue-menu to ITT |
| 21:59.30 | Stskeeps | RST38h: speaking frankly though, i'm not sure of that |
| 21:59.32 | Stskeeps | reminds me .. |
| 21:59.33 | Stskeeps | sec |
| 22:00.23 | wazd | I can install FL Studio and see what i can do) |
| 22:00.39 | Stskeeps | wazd: hehe, we will probably have multiple sound themes :) |
| 22:01.24 | etrunko | wondering why the autobuilder favors chinook packages |
| 22:01.29 | b-man | thinks about the possibilitys of rescue menu themes ;) |
| 22:03.29 | Jaffa_ | What's the difference between (ubuntu-)rescue-menu and bootmenu? |
| 22:03.34 | wazd | But I'd prefer to work on UI than on sounds) |
| 22:04.19 | Stskeeps | Jaffa_: rescue menus are later in the process and allows you to enable console mode, enable USB ethernet and USB serial (tbd) |
| 22:04.25 | Stskeeps | or reboot/boot normally |
| 22:04.36 | Stskeeps | it's -very- handy when developing and when your system is smashed |
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| 22:05.04 | Jaffa_ | Ah, right - yes, I've seen wazd's design for a mer one |
| 22:10.14 | b-man | is getting really pised off by a stupid ad that keeps re-directing him >:( |
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| 22:17.01 | b-man | thinks about sending a complaint to the administrator of the website with the annoying add that won't take no for an awnser |
| 22:18.28 | benson | Complaints are overrated, send him a DDoS. |
| 22:18.52 | RST38h | or start directly by mailing body parts |
| 22:19.32 | Jaffa_ | His own? |
| 22:19.40 | johnx | nah, they can be anyone's |
| 22:19.44 | johnx | doesn't really matter |
| 22:19.54 | johnx | just like the tooth fairy: It can be anyone's teeth. :D |
| 22:19.57 | b-man | thinks about sending the person with the add a worm virus |
| 22:20.08 | RST38h | even animal parts will do the persuasive job |
| 22:20.08 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, rotfl |
| 22:21.22 | RST38h | really wants to know why every attempt to play a video in MediaBox or Canola is like stepping int a mine field |
| 22:22.04 | RST38h | You never know if it lets you stop playback or hangs in some weird state eating 100% CPu and preventing you from playing other videos |
| 22:22.51 | Jaffa_ | RST38h: are they "sensible" videos? I've not had a problem (certainly compared with the built-in Media Player [although that's better recently]) |
| 22:23.10 | RST38h | Jaffa: Trying to watch worldtv99 channels over MediaBox |
| 22:23.36 | Jaffa_ | Ah, so streaming stuff? I rarely bother these days, although the Worldtv99 stuff was interesting at the summit. |
| 22:23.39 | RST38h | Jaffa: Same thing ocurs with YouTube on Canola (did not try with MediaBox yet) |
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| 22:26.00 | etrunko | RST38h: hmm.. this can be related to mplayer |
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| 22:27.27 | RST38h | etrunko: I remember you, Canola guys, saying something about difficulties interfacing with mplayer over dbus |
| 22:27.36 | RST38h | Is it the problem> |
| 22:27.38 | RST38h | ? |
| 22:28.22 | etrunko | RST38h: hard to tell... but yes, it can be |
| 22:28.53 | RST38h | oh, btw, can I report a bug? =0 |
| 22:28.58 | etrunko | mplayer is not meant to be used by other apps... it works much better as a standalone |
| 22:29.07 | RST38h | (reported it before to handful, but it has not been fixed) |
| 22:29.10 | etrunko | RST38h: please do... bugs.maemo.org |
| 22:29.29 | etrunko | Canola bugs are there now |
| 22:29.35 | RST38h | etrunko: ah, you have got your own category there! ok |
| 22:30.37 | etrunko | :) |
| 22:30.39 | etrunko | thanks |
| 22:32.03 | ssvb | RST38h: One of the problems is that XV for some reason does not utilize a fast blizzard overlay when used with mplayer. It needs to be investigated if it is some configuration problem like colorkey, placement of the output window or whatever |
| 22:32.04 | RST38h | etrunko: You are not planning on changing from using mplayer executable to using libraries? |
| 22:32.55 | etrunko | RST38h: a bit difficult for youtube files. |
| 22:33.09 | RST38h | ssvb: you can just as well open dev/fb0 (dev/fb1 for YUV) and fornicate with blizzard as much as you want |
| 22:33.22 | etrunko | btw, gstreamer now supports flv playback, at least on my desktop |
| 22:33.27 | RST38h | etrunko: well, they are just a specially compressed video |
| 22:33.34 | ssvb | RST38h: well, I know :) |
| 22:33.53 | etrunko | RST38h: yeah. it would be a matter of packaging it and testing on the device |
| 22:33.56 | ssvb | RST38h: but canola uses XV for video output for embedding into a window |
| 22:34.12 | RST38h | etrunko: it should, flv support has probably been added to decoder libs by now |
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| 23:03.05 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: starting Mer in VirtualBox :-) |
| 23:03.24 | lardman | ssvb: nice work on sbc |
| 23:04.44 | RST38h | Canola scrolling bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4058 |
| 23:04.58 | RST38h | Please, vote if you are having the same problem |
| 23:06.06 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.28 | johnx | 'night RST38h |
| 23:06.29 | timelE61i | jaffa: is there a vmware image? |
| 23:07.09 | Jaffa | timelE61i: 0.7 release on Sunday will have one, yes. Stskeeps may want to hand out a beta, I don't know. |
| 23:07.43 | etrunko | night RST38h |
| 23:07.46 | etrunko | thanks |
| 23:10.33 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: I just took that image in VirtualBox, did "echo 'assume-connecton 1' >~/.osso/hildon-application-manager" in X Terminal; started Application Manager; checked the current catalogues and went and installed the Titan theme without any problems whatsoever. |
| 23:10.43 | ssvb | lardman: thanks, I hope to do some ARMv6 SBC optimizations on this weekend, otherwise it still will not run fast enough on ARM11 |
| 23:11.34 | johnx | Jaffa, ok. I kinda lost track of doing that change earlier. will do it now :) |
| 23:12.31 | lcuk | ssvb, hope the xv problem is not major :P |
| 23:12.41 | Jaffa | johnx: the first setup wizard stuff is cool. |
| 23:13.31 | johnx | Jaffa, ah thanks :) It's really just a skeery bash script + zenity |
| 23:13.40 | ssvb | lcuk: that's something which prevents running it on optimized path, and it is related to the way how mplayer uses XV |
| 23:13.50 | Jaffa | Yeah (I could tell) - but it's nice to be asked these things rather than be just 'user' :) |
| 23:14.16 | lcuk | ahhh you are on about this device, i keep seeing similar queries coming up in #beagle ;) |
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| 23:15.36 | ssvb | lcuk: yes, current device is not dead yet :) and what are the problems with #beagle? |
| 23:16.02 | lcuk | not problems, i just notice a few bings for my xv keyword |
| 23:16.03 | Jaffa | beds. |
| 23:16.07 | lcuk | gnite jaffa |
| 23:16.54 | lcuk | i also notice they dont discuss bacon much |
| 23:17.46 | lcuk | and ssvb, the current device rocks! :D |
| 23:19.24 | johnx | agreed. my desktop from 10 years ago was slower and more expensive :) |
| 23:21.04 | lardman | ssvb: not fast enough, what is fast enough then? |
| 23:21.48 | lcuk | heh lardman theres always optimizations |
| 23:22.21 | ssvb | lardman: well, something that is not obviously running a lot slower than it could :) |
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| 23:47.06 | johnx | this is gonna give me nightmares I think: http://tinyurl.com/bgspvl |
| 23:49.14 | lardman | ssvb: ah, and there I was thinking that omap3 wasn't as fast as we've heard it is ;) |
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