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| 06:06.22 | slonopotamus | infobot, are you alive? |
| 06:06.23 | infobot | The dead cannot live |
| 06:07.49 | slonopotamus | oh |
| 06:08.12 | slonopotamus | infobot, as i thought |
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| 07:47.39 | jaem | hello |
| 07:48.14 | jaem | I'm having an issue with the bootmenu for Mer... namely, that it doesn't actually *load* the bootmenu at boot |
| 07:49.02 | jaem | I'm not that familiar with the actual workings of bootmenu - is there anything I may have done wrong? I just used the "Install Bootmenu" and "Install Mer" menu items in that order |
| 07:49.20 | jaem | the config files look reasonable to me, but as I said, I'm not that familiar with it |
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| 08:50.29 | timeless | cries |
| 08:50.31 | timeless | so... |
| 08:50.33 | timeless | anyone alive? |
| 08:50.39 | johnx | 'fraid so |
| 08:50.44 | timeless | open sounds control panel |
| 08:50.57 | timeless | on the general tab, make sure the speaker isn't struck through w/ a red slash |
| 08:50.58 | johnx | booted into mer right now |
| 08:51.03 | timeless | siwtch to the ringtones tab |
| 08:51.14 | timeless | make sure the speaker there *is* stricken |
| 08:51.24 | timeless | do you not have this control panel? |
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| 08:52.06 | johnx | not yet |
| 08:52.15 | johnx | I don't know if they're open or not |
| 08:52.19 | johnx | I suspect they're closed |
| 08:52.29 | johnx | I'll reboot into maemo and test for you though |
| 08:52.34 | timeless | thanks |
| 08:52.45 | johnx | enlightened self interest |
| 08:52.48 | johnx | :) |
| 08:53.08 | timeless | nokia confidential |
| 08:53.11 | jaem | is anyone able to help me with the issue I mentioned a while back while no one was around? |
| 08:53.15 | timeless | reads debian/copyright |
| 08:53.50 | johnx | jaem, so bootmenu doesn't show up when you boot? |
| 08:53.58 | RST38h | heya johnx |
| 08:53.59 | jaem | no |
| 08:54.02 | johnx | it should show up I believe even if you just run install bootmenu |
| 08:54.08 | jaem | I suspect the Mer install may not have completed properly |
| 08:54.11 | johnx | hey RST38h |
| 08:54.25 | jaem | but I don't know, because it appeared to finish, and then closed the console before I could check the messages |
| 08:54.40 | jaem | where is the actual install script located? I can run it from an already open console, and see |
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| 08:55.42 | timeless | sighs |
| 08:55.45 | timeless | kicks presence |
| 08:55.55 | timeless | how can anyone actually use this device w/o muting it? |
| 08:55.59 | johnx | jaem, b-man wrote it, and I don't remember the actual name, but if you run dpkg -L merinstaller |
| 08:56.06 | jaem | right >< |
| 08:56.08 | johnx | timeless, ok, rebooted will test |
| 08:56.10 | jaem | sorry - it's late over here |
| 08:56.20 | timeless | jaem: move to Europe ;-) |
| 08:56.28 | jaem | lol |
| 08:56.40 | timeless | (an Engineer's solution to a physical problem) |
| 08:56.45 | jaem | hehe |
| 08:56.48 | johnx | ah, no worries :) it's dumb for me to not know the name given how many times I've reinstalled mer |
| 08:57.02 | timeless | hrm |
| 08:57.05 | jaem | well, it's dumb for me, since I could have checked other ways, too |
| 08:57.06 | johnx | timeless, tell me what else I'm testing |
| 08:57.06 | timeless | should get mer onto mxr |
| 08:57.17 | timeless | johnx: tap a grayed widget |
| 08:57.23 | timeless | oh wait |
| 08:57.26 | timeless | maybe it isn't grayed |
| 08:57.38 | timeless | can never be sure given these wonderful combinations |
| 08:57.40 | johnx | also: using advanced backlight/volume app |
| 08:58.16 | timeless | johnx: basically as long as one of the two speakers is stricken, *something* should be gray *somewhere* |
| 08:58.27 | timeless | when you tap those gray things, it should give you a message |
| 08:58.35 | johnx | probably in the original sound applet |
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| 08:58.44 | RST38h | Why you need 64bit pressure register in your touch screen hw: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/01/1-25-09-vissumo-gun.jpg |
| 08:58.56 | timeless | if one of the two is not *stricken*, then i claim "not all sounds are muted" |
| 08:59.36 | timeless | johnx: yeah, i'm only reviewing nokia strings |
| 08:59.38 | timeless | not third party ones |
| 08:59.42 | timeless | one disaster at a time |
| 08:59.45 | aquatix | RST38h: heh |
| 09:00.38 | timeless | johnx: so, did you get a bunch of info banners? |
| 09:00.40 | johnx | "All sounds are muted" |
| 09:00.46 | timeless | yeah, that one |
| 09:00.54 | timeless | am i right in feeling that it's lying? |
| 09:00.55 | johnx | just one info banner |
| 09:01.11 | johnx | what do you think isn't muted? |
| 09:01.16 | johnx | screen taps are muted |
| 09:01.21 | johnx | trying canola |
| 09:01.46 | timeless | well/... |
| 09:01.53 | timeless | this whole thing doesn't make sense |
| 09:02.05 | timeless | if the general mute is set |
| 09:02.19 | timeless | why can i twiddle ring tone bits w/o an info banner? |
| 09:02.28 | timeless | and if the general mute isn't set, but ring tone mute is set |
| 09:02.43 | timeless | why can't i twiddle ring tone bits, and why must i get an info banner? |
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| 09:03.06 | timeless | anyway, turn the general thing to normal, and switch to ring tone mute |
| 09:03.13 | timeless | and try tapping the gray items |
| 09:03.18 | johnx | aaah |
| 09:03.20 | johnx | I see |
| 09:03.24 | timeless | :) |
| 09:03.51 | johnx | personally there's a lot of bugs more annoying than that, that no one has time for :P |
| 09:04.11 | timeless | i'm pretty sure i've hit or will hit most of them as i walk through the ui, string at a time :) |
| 09:04.24 | johnx | jeez |
| 09:04.27 | timeless | rememeber, i test things at various levels |
| 09:04.31 | johnx | that sounds pretty thankless |
| 09:04.40 | timeless | well, it depends |
| 09:04.51 | timeless | if i manage to release an en-US locale that everyone installs after getting the device |
| 09:04.56 | timeless | i'd be pretty happy |
| 09:05.21 | timeless | e.g. i helped two russian couples from one hotel to another on friday |
| 09:05.29 | timeless | at the end, they offered me money for the help |
| 09:05.38 | timeless | i was just happy that they offered (i had to decline) |
| 09:05.42 | johnx | you're going to push a 'new and improved' en_US locale? to extras? or ...? |
| 09:05.44 | timeless | it's the small things that make me smile |
| 09:05.47 | timeless | extras |
| 09:06.03 | timeless | someone will have to walk me through various pieces, but that's the idea |
| 09:06.17 | timeless | keep in mind that i've made ~5-10 .deb's, but have never pushed there |
| 09:06.39 | johnx | well, pushing to mer is even easier :> |
| 09:06.53 | timeless | it requires a working memory card? :) |
| 09:06.56 | johnx | nope |
| 09:06.59 | johnx | you can flash it |
| 09:07.06 | johnx | no excuses |
| 09:07.08 | timeless | i'm not ruining my perfectly bad os images :) |
| 09:07.10 | x29a_ | ~er |
| 09:07.31 | infobot | i heard er is Eritrea |
| 09:07.31 | x29a_ | ~mer |
| 09:07.32 | infobot | rumour has it, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer |
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| 09:07.32 | johnx | infobot, hello |
| 09:07.33 | infobot | Howdy Bub |
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| 09:07.41 | x29a | laag ;) |
| 09:07.44 | timeless | infobot ping |
| 09:07.44 | infobot | ~pong |
| 09:07.49 | johnx | infobot, you're lagging :P |
| 09:07.53 | timeless | not to me |
| 09:07.54 | x29a | hm, sleepy head |
| 09:07.58 | timeless | which means i'm lagging to someone else |
| 09:09.54 | johnx | timeless, so what do we have to do to get you to try mer? physically snail-mail you an sd card with mer installed? :P |
| 09:09.57 | x29a | "This may blow up your MMC, steal your wife or cause doomsday to come around" |
| 09:09.59 | x29a | aahahahahahaha |
| 09:10.03 | x29a | awesome, made my day |
| 09:10.19 | jaem | yes |
| 09:10.20 | johnx | standard boilerplate disclaimer :) |
| 09:10.36 | jaem | I've seen some pretty good disclaimers, and that was one of them, albeit not the longest |
| 09:10.53 | jaem | johnx: I'm going to have to figure out Mer tomorrow |
| 09:11.13 | jaem | I'm in the middle of chatting, writing a bugfix patch, and working on homework |
| 09:11.16 | timeless | ENOWIFE |
| 09:11.20 | johnx | jaem, alright, I should be here. hopefully we can get it sorted out :) |
| 09:11.26 | jaem | this is why I need 3 monitors |
| 09:11.33 | jaem | I don't know why anyone questions that... :P |
| 09:11.38 | timeless | johnx: walk either myself or sp3000 through getting mer onto an sd card |
| 09:11.50 | jaem | johnx: thanks |
| 09:11.57 | johnx | ah, ok: cd /media/mmc2 ; tar zxvf mer.tar.gz |
| 09:12.17 | timeless | i think you forgot 0. find an sd card |
| 09:12.24 | timeless | will a 64m one work? |
| 09:12.29 | johnx | hence the physical snail mail comment :P |
| 09:12.47 | timeless | having someone give me an sd w/ mer @fosdem may be fastest |
| 09:12.48 | johnx | for sd cards...probably 512MB |
| 09:13.06 | timeless | iirc one tablet came w/ 64m and one came w/128m |
| 09:13.13 | johnx | jjfs2 compression is really quite impressive... |
| 09:13.18 | timeless | but i have 3 tablets, ... what did the other one come w/? |
| 09:13.28 | johnx | wait? is one an n810? |
| 09:13.35 | timeless | (or did the n810 not come w/ one at all?) |
| 09:13.42 | johnx | you have 2GB right there :P |
| 09:13.52 | x29a | internal! |
| 09:13.56 | johnx | so? |
| 09:15.50 | timeless | but then i can't test stuff :) |
| 09:16.43 | johnx | attach to PC, resize vfat partition, make a second ext3 partition, install mer in a ~512MB partition, enjoy |
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| 09:19.43 | timeless | right... so back to my sound issue |
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| 09:19.53 | timeless | is it fair to say that the info banner is wrong? |
| 09:20.24 | johnx | "All sounds are muted" |
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| 09:20.32 | johnx | It is technically accurate |
| 09:20.37 | johnx | no sound comes from the device |
| 09:20.59 | timeless | you currently have the general mute active |
| 09:21.08 | timeless | switch it so only the ring mute is active |
| 09:21.14 | timeless | then poke the gray widgets there |
| 09:21.20 | johnx | ah |
| 09:21.34 | timeless | the string was locally accurate |
| 09:21.38 | timeless | and is a global mess |
| 09:21.39 | johnx | oh definitely |
| 09:21.48 | timeless | (shared strings) |
| 09:21.54 | johnx | should be "Ringtones are muted." |
| 09:21.54 | timeless | any l10n expert (of which we have none) |
| 09:22.02 | timeless | would tell you never to recycle strings |
| 09:22.10 | timeless | and this is a classic example of why |
| 09:22.31 | johnx | for a second I thought you were nitpicking the use of 'all' in "All sounds are muted." |
| 09:22.32 | timeless | given the constraint that the string is shared |
| 09:22.36 | timeless | i am |
| 09:22.46 | johnx | ah, but for the general mute |
| 09:23.06 | timeless | well, figuring out where it's wrong requires testing |
| 09:23.10 | johnx | for ringtones: definitely wrong |
| 09:23.18 | johnx | for general: possibly not the best choice of words. |
| 09:23.20 | timeless | knowing what should be wrong requires understanding English |
| 09:23.37 | timeless | right... so, how does one fix this? |
| 09:23.48 | timeless | "Can't adjust settings while muted" |
| 09:23.55 | johnx | "Muted" |
| 09:23.59 | johnx | solved :) |
| 09:23.59 | timeless | it's generic, helpful.. |
| 09:24.05 | timeless | nah, that'd sound like an action |
| 09:24.18 | timeless | and Nokia style would give an info banner to tell you when you muted something |
| 09:24.19 | johnx | "It's muted, ya' dork." |
| 09:24.40 | timeless | "It's gray. Don't touch" |
| 09:24.51 | johnx | now that would be a great shared string |
| 09:24.57 | timeless | chuckles |
| 09:25.04 | timeless | some themer would make it pink |
| 09:25.06 | timeless | just to piss me off |
| 09:25.25 | timeless | (anyone here use the valentine theme? - or remember it for that matter) |
| 09:25.30 | johnx | windows, mac, and desktop Linux (KDE and Gnome) have no message for greyed menu items |
| 09:25.36 | timeless | nods |
| 09:25.46 | timeless | that's because they're um... better? |
| 09:25.57 | johnx | s/better/different/ |
| 09:25.57 | suihkulokki | decorates timeless's cubicle with pink paper and cute pink objects |
| 09:26.06 | johnx | every UI is unique and special, like snowflakes |
| 09:26.11 | timeless | suihkulokki: i used that theme for a few months |
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| 09:26.17 | johnx | on purpose? |
| 09:26.18 | timeless | it was great for finding bugs |
| 09:26.21 | timeless | of course |
| 09:26.28 | timeless | i exploit everything i can to find bugs whereever i can |
| 09:26.44 | timeless | wonders if the story of the unshipped dark theme is public |
| 09:27.04 | johnx | aaah, bug magnet? |
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| 09:27.11 | johnx | let me guess: especially in the browser |
| 09:27.22 | timeless | i can't remember, it was well over a year ago |
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| 09:27.35 | suihkulokki | exploiting everything to find bugs reminds me I should join a specific testing programm |
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| 09:27.45 | timeless | can i join? |
| 09:28.07 | timeless | *** suihkulokki : is signed on as account nchip |
| 09:28.09 | timeless | sighs |
| 09:28.28 | timeless | either freenode or my irc client has bad English |
| 09:28.42 | timeless | suihkulokki: can you recognize the error? |
| 09:28.56 | johnx | timeless, you'd go nuts here :) |
| 09:29.03 | timeless | i'm going nuts here :) |
| 09:29.18 | suihkulokki | "as account" sounds funny |
| 09:29.25 | timeless | i don't think .jp is much different from .fi |
| 09:29.28 | suihkulokki | I'm sure that message comes from freenode |
| 09:29.37 | timeless | suihkulokki: you win the prize |
| 09:29.41 | johnx | timeless, sometimes they get it right in .fi I hear |
| 09:29.50 | timeless | heh |
| 09:29.58 | timeless | people told me that before i came |
| 09:30.16 | timeless | having been here, if they get it right, they'll also get it wrong inches away :) |
| 09:30.26 | johnx | There's practically a whole en_JP that has entirely separate grammar from en_US or en_GB |
| 09:30.40 | timeless | en_IN anyone? :) |
| 09:30.46 | suihkulokki | timeless: pft, if you continue to be mean to us, we'll start speaking just finnish to you :) |
| 09:30.49 | johnx | Indiana? :D |
| 09:31.03 | timeless | suihkulokki: vitu |
| 09:31.28 | timeless | wonders if that's spelled correctly |
| 09:31.41 | timeless | if you actually did that, slowly enough, i might actually learn finnish |
| 09:31.44 | suihkulokki | timeless: you missed the second 't' - vittu |
| 09:31.52 | timeless | yeah, i thought i had |
| 09:32.13 | timeless | should sign up w/ the swedish speakers |
| 09:32.23 | timeless | they get remedial help in recognizing doubled letters |
| 09:32.24 | timeless | needs that |
| 09:32.50 | timeless | hey, did they move my mailbox? |
| 09:32.53 | suihkulokki | yeah, the problem with learning by listening people speaking is that people speak their native languages too damn fast |
| 09:33.17 | timeless | offers suihkulokki a verb |
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| 09:33.36 | timeless | but otherwise, well stated :) |
| 09:33.51 | suihkulokki | this is IRC - it's not supposed be grammatically correct :P |
| 09:34.09 | jaem | can we has no speling eether? |
| 09:34.13 | jaem | :P |
| 09:34.39 | timeless | the fewer words you write, the more tolerant i am |
| 09:34.54 | timeless | the longer your string of words, the more strictly i enforce my parser |
| 09:35.02 | timeless | Microsoft Office Outlook |
| 09:35.03 | suihkulokki | fuck |
| 09:35.04 | suihkulokki | you |
| 09:35.05 | suihkulokki | :P |
| 09:35.27 | timeless | (x) The operation failed due to a registry or installation problem. Restart Outlook and try again. If the problem persists, please reinstall. |
| 09:35.29 | timeless | [ OK ] |
| 09:35.43 | timeless | suihkulokki: which reminds me... |
| 09:35.54 | timeless | it always bothers me when females use those words together |
| 09:35.58 | timeless | "is that an invitation?" |
| 09:36.57 | timeless | frowns |
| 09:37.01 | timeless | did everyone here get that? |
| 09:37.08 | timeless | (raise your hand if you didn't...) |
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| 09:37.41 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 09:37.42 | suihkulokki | I think the tone of voice reveals if it is a invitation or not |
| 09:37.53 | timeless | doesn't cary well over irc ;-) |
| 09:38.01 | jaem | timeless: neither does raising hands |
| 09:38.10 | timeless | jaem: yeah well :) |
| 09:38.39 | X-Fade | Morning.. |
| 09:38.39 | jaem | I've been known to give someone a high-five over the phone by bleeping the DTMF tone for 5 at them |
| 09:38.43 | jaem | that works |
| 09:39.56 | timeless | heh |
| 09:40.10 | johnx | timeless, did a woman ask you that over IRC? |
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| 09:40.37 | johnx | 'cause that's a totally different situation then asking the same question over the phone or in person |
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| 09:41.03 | johnx | also, Nokia: Why must your control panel and statusbar applets be closed source? |
| 09:41.05 | johnx | augh! |
| 09:42.11 | timeless | they don't want you to read the embarassing source code |
| 09:42.17 | timeless | you might see the bug we talked about earlier :) |
| 09:42.47 | timeless | tbh, i don't think i've really ever had a woman say it to me |
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| 09:43.09 | timeless | and, i think i'll abandon this area of questioning |
| 09:43.26 | johnx | that's one of those "different meaning in every single circumstance" phrases |
| 09:44.08 | johnx | heh...what if I promise not to read the code? what if I just recompile for Mer? |
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| 09:44.37 | timeless | you're not doing anyone any favors by taking nokia differentiators to a new and clean platform |
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| 09:44.46 | timeless | how about you write something that isn't buggy and ship that instead? |
| 09:44.55 | timeless | as a starting point, include fewer features |
| 09:44.58 | timeless | more features = more bugs |
| 09:45.01 | johnx | know what they're going to get replaced by? a bash script that calls zenity |
| 09:45.06 | timeless | this control panel is a good example |
| 09:45.41 | timeless | > It comes from the same family as dialog, Xdialog, and cdialog, but it surpasses those projects by having a cooler name. |
| 09:45.52 | johnx | yes, that zenity |
| 09:46.31 | timeless | so the bash script will call gettext? |
| 09:46.50 | johnx | aaah, localization...yeah, that's a nice dream :) |
| 09:47.04 | timeless | today's nightmare |
| 09:47.14 | johnx | fewer features = fewer bugs |
| 09:47.24 | johnx | no localization = no localization problems |
| 09:47.37 | timeless | fair enough |
| 09:47.48 | johnx | everyone can read Japanese, right? |
| 09:47.53 | johnx | I mean, it's not *that* hard |
| 09:47.56 | timeless | "ooh shiny" |
| 09:48.04 | timeless | "pretty tree" |
| 09:48.51 | timeless | as long as you don't let me reformat my device using a non confirmed japanese glyph |
| 09:48.54 | RST38h | johnx: Yea, but could they please switch to european-looking pictograms? =) |
| 09:49.11 | johnx | RST38h, sure, I'll spell it all out in Romaji so you can't look it up |
| 09:49.27 | johnx | interesting note: the Kanji for big and small both end up as 'o' in Romaji |
| 09:49.54 | johnx | romaji = phonetic spelling of Japanese (or other Eastern languages) in the Roman alphabet |
| 09:50.16 | timeless | hepburn, kunrei or nihon? :) |
| 09:50.33 | johnx | Nihongo |
| 09:51.14 | johnx | not that it's all that consistently used here... |
| 09:52.14 | johnx | also important to keep in mind: My Japanese is the level of your average 5-7 on a good day |
| 09:52.26 | johnx | *5-7 year-old |
| 09:52.29 | timeless | on a good day your mind is? |
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| 09:52.40 | timeless | or your mind is <5-7's good day> |
| 09:53.07 | johnx | bah :P |
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| 09:53.35 | timeless | this isn't finnish where there are enough pointers to try to get away w/ something like that |
| 09:54.32 | johnx | I can always try :P |
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| 09:55.17 | johnx | timeless, ããªãã¯é¢åããã |
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| 09:56.30 | timeless | my terminal isn't utf8 safe ;-b |
| 09:56.54 | johnx | ah, sad :/ |
| 09:57.12 | johnx | I even got it right :P |
| 09:57.36 | timeless | so ["a]["a]{^a}["a]["a]{^_}['e][c|][oa]["a]["a]["a] to you ;b |
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| 09:58.27 | timeless | [] is for superimposing, the first slot is typically above the second |
| 09:58.58 | timeless | {} is where i need to do something else (^ being raise), so {^2} would mean a tiny superscript 2 |
| 09:59.06 | johnx | O_o |
| 09:59.14 | johnx | I just called you a pain :P |
| 09:59.27 | timeless | that reminds me |
| 09:59.33 | timeless | i'm supposed to give a lecture on gecko today |
| 09:59.56 | johnx | any specific gecko? |
| 10:00.13 | timeless | Mozilla Gecko |
| 10:00.41 | timeless | if i meant the animal, it should have been 'on gecko_s_' |
| 10:01.09 | timeless | oh brother |
| 10:01.12 | timeless | no fair |
| 10:01.16 | johnx | 3.0? 3.1? |
| 10:01.16 | timeless | rm * |
| 10:01.19 | timeless | doesn't do what i want |
| 10:01.22 | timeless | 3.2 i suppose |
| 10:01.30 | timeless | it's more of a basic lecture |
| 10:01.38 | timeless | so 0.6 is probably also accurate |
| 10:01.45 | timeless | dates to m16 or thereabouts |
| 10:01.54 | johnx | a, good time :) |
| 10:01.58 | timeless | and in case people are curious, none of those numbers are compatible |
| 10:02.00 | johnx | s/a/ah |
| 10:02.04 | timeless | m18 is the last in a numbering sequence |
| 10:02.10 | johnx | yeah, I remember |
| 10:02.15 | timeless | 0.6 is the first in the next numbering sequence |
| 10:02.29 | johnx | I remember when mozilla stopped crashing and I could finally put 4.x out of its misery |
| 10:02.30 | timeless | and 1.9.2 is the closest mapping for 3.2 |
| 10:02.44 | timeless | ok, so... since rm * doesn't do what i want |
| 10:02.47 | timeless | what does? |
| 10:02.52 | johnx | what do you want to do? |
| 10:02.55 | johnx | end it all? |
| 10:03.08 | timeless | delete all symlinks in the current directory |
| 10:03.21 | timeless | (i already deleted all files) |
| 10:03.23 | johnx | and rm isn't deleting your symlinks? |
| 10:03.26 | timeless | nope |
| 10:03.43 | timeless | rm `echo *` |
| 10:03.47 | timeless | seems to have worked a bit better |
| 10:04.17 | johnx | which rm is this? |
| 10:04.23 | johnx | which shell? |
| 10:04.23 | timeless | zsh |
| 10:04.25 | johnx | aaah |
| 10:04.28 | johnx | great |
| 10:04.42 | johnx | that's non-sh compatible behavior |
| 10:04.43 | jaem | blech |
| 10:05.00 | timeless | which, that rm * didn't zap my symlinks? |
| 10:05.04 | johnx | correct |
| 10:05.08 | johnx | just tested it here |
| 10:05.12 | benson | is using Mozilla 1.4 |
| 10:05.13 | benson | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:05.25 | timeless | "why?" |
| 10:05.41 | johnx | benson, so what is it like to handle genuine prehistoric artifacts? |
| 10:05.43 | benson | Old Slack9 system |
| 10:05.54 | benson | Haven't updated in years. |
| 10:05.56 | timeless | firebird 0.6? |
| 10:06.06 | benson | What can I say, it's stable! |
| 10:06.09 | timeless | you realize there are quite a few security holes in that, right? |
| 10:06.21 | benson | I almost never use it. |
| 10:06.35 | timeless | <benson> I almost never have sex. |
| 10:06.41 | timeless | yeah, you're still at risk |
| 10:07.13 | benson | It's up right now to get my X config off. |
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| 10:07.44 | benson | I'm getting an up-to-date netbsd install going on the other HDD. |
| 10:08.02 | timeless | walking around the internet w/ an old browser is like walking around wearing an old used condom and poking into everything |
| 10:08.50 | benson | Depends how selective one is about where one walks, but I get the point. ;) |
| 10:08.53 | johnx | I prefer the analogy of walking bearfoot in an alley full of used needles :) |
| 10:09.02 | Mikho | wow, never tried either |
| 10:09.08 | johnx | you're missing out |
| 10:09.19 | johnx | ...on various contagious diseases |
| 10:09.36 | timeless | ponders |
| 10:09.57 | timeless | johnx: it depends on how callous free your feet are, i suppose |
| 10:10.13 | timeless | but yeah, your picture might be better |
| 10:10.35 | johnx | The needles are there. No action required on your part except to step in the wrong place |
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| 10:10.58 | timeless | nods |
| 10:11.04 | timeless | i think i like your analogy better than mine |
| 10:11.21 | timeless | it has the benefit of connecting w/ the entire populace instead of less than half |
| 10:11.42 | jaem | johnx: it's more like walking around in an alley full of evil, sentient needles |
| 10:11.55 | timeless | yeah, that's the problem |
| 10:12.05 | timeless | it needs to be underlined that the needles move |
| 10:12.11 | timeless | and are likely to move in your direction |
| 10:12.16 | jaem | in hordes |
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| 10:12.41 | jaem | and they'll find the part of your foot that isn't calloused |
| 10:12.43 | johnx | the chances are still lowish, but it sure would suck if you stepped on one |
| 10:12.44 | jaem | given enough time |
| 10:12.47 | benson | hides under desk. |
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| 10:13.10 | benson | Yeah, there's risk, and I probably should know better. |
| 10:13.29 | timeless | at least you aren't irc'ing as root :) |
| 10:13.40 | johnx | meh. Some the computers at work are running a Mozilla build from 2002 I believe |
| 10:13.46 | benson | But unless they take out my X config (which I already copied off), they can't really hurt me mutch. |
| 10:13.52 | benson | *much |
| 10:14.00 | RST38h | johnx: Is it fast? =) |
| 10:14.01 | timeless | local network exploits? |
| 10:14.06 | benson | Because that's the last data I have on here. |
| 10:14.07 | johnx | benh, unless your box becomes a spambot :) |
| 10:14.25 | benson | For a few hours, yeah, I guess. |
| 10:14.26 | timeless | there are some cool things one can do inside something like a firewall |
| 10:14.34 | johnx | RST38h, oh it's quite fast. It's running on various later Pentium Ms and Core Duos |
| 10:14.58 | timeless | johnx: why 2002? |
| 10:15.14 | johnx | because that was when they made the system image? |
| 10:15.38 | timeless | laments the loss of set-timebomb.pl |
| 10:15.53 | timeless | http://bonsai.mozilla.org/cvslog.cgi?file=mozilla/config/set-timebomb.pl&rev=SeaMonkey_M10_BRANCH&mark=3.5 |
| 10:16.03 | johnx | The whole IT infrastructure would fall over in a stiff breeze... |
| 10:16.17 | timeless | and nsITimeBomb |
| 10:16.26 | benson | Well, point taken. Gonna reboot and cram that config into NetBSD, and probably never boot this HDD again. |
| 10:16.28 | RST38h | johnx: ehh, gimme back my 2002 Mozilla... |
| 10:16.50 | timeless | http://bonsai.mozilla.org/cvslog.cgi?file=mozilla/xpfe/components/timebomb/nsITimeBomb.idl&rev=SeaMonkey_M18_BRANCH&mark=1.3 |
| 10:17.28 | timeless | nsITimeBomb existed in 1.4 |
| 10:17.50 | timeless | right |
| 10:17.54 | johnx | RST38h, it also won't even try to display google maps and fails to cope with huge swaths of the formatting ... on our own web page |
| 10:18.32 | timeless | lol |
| 10:19.09 | timeless | johnx: so... |
| 10:19.13 | timeless | how many users per box? |
| 10:19.15 | timeless | (1?) |
| 10:19.30 | timeless | and are those users admins? |
| 10:19.33 | timeless | (no?) |
| 10:19.42 | RST38h | johnx: Ah, who cares, I will use it to read mobile pages =) |
| 10:19.45 | johnx | well, they could be admins if they dropped to a console :) |
| 10:19.59 | timeless | and if the user downloaded an .exe and dumped it on the desktop, could they run it? |
| 10:20.03 | timeless | (yes?) |
| 10:20.29 | johnx | yeah, there are other ways to exploit it for sure |
| 10:20.41 | timeless | -- treat .exe as a generic format specific to the actual os |
| 10:20.52 | johnx | of course. I get the point :) |
| 10:20.55 | timeless | no, my question isn't that |
| 10:21.12 | timeless | i'm wondering if gecko would be better served by always installing into the local user's workspace |
| 10:21.15 | timeless | and autoupdating |
| 10:21.44 | timeless | so that even if you had a build from 2002, it'd instantly be updated to a current one |
| 10:21.50 | timeless | timeless@swift:~/translate% tar cf /tmp/translate.tar `find .` |
| 10:21.50 | timeless | zsh: arg list too long: tar |
| 10:22.03 | timeless | grumbles |
| 10:22.34 | johnx | tar cf /tmp/translate.tar ./ |
| 10:22.44 | timeless | timeless@swift:~/translate% mv * ../translate0 |
| 10:23.07 | jaem | johnx: I'm heading to bed - I'll likely be around in about 8 hours or so, if you're still on |
| 10:23.14 | jaem | g'night |
| 10:23.27 | johnx | and as for what you're suggested about gecko auto-updating: making that work right would be far beyond the IT staff (hint: I'm not part of the IT staff) |
| 10:23.35 | johnx | 'night jaem |
| 10:23.37 | timeless | no no |
| 10:23.38 | Stskeeps | morning |
| 10:23.44 | Stskeeps | jaem: refresh_bootmenu.d |
| 10:23.46 | timeless | i'm wondering about making gecko's installer do this |
| 10:23.51 | jaem | Stskeeps: tried that |
| 10:23.53 | timeless | so that any normal install would behave this way |
| 10:23.57 | jaem | the bootmenu doesn't even seem to load |
| 10:23.57 | johnx | jaem, I might be asleep by then :) |
| 10:23.57 | Stskeeps | no bootmenu coming up, jaem? |
| 10:24.01 | timeless | or would your it go out of its way to break that? |
| 10:24.09 | Stskeeps | jaem: and you did the "install bootmenu" part? as in, utilities -> bootmenu |
| 10:24.09 | jaem | no - nothing at all |
| 10:24.13 | jaem | yes ;) |
| 10:24.16 | Stskeeps | and then hold down home key while booting |
| 10:24.26 | jaem | wait... home key? Did that change? |
| 10:24.40 | jaem | I thought 'twas the menu key |
| 10:24.43 | Stskeeps | ok, menu key |
| 10:24.50 | jaem | yes, I did that |
| 10:24.57 | timeless | oh brother |
| 10:24.59 | timeless | sighs |
| 10:24.59 | johnx | timeless, are you still making builds for linux distros with a circa 2001 version of libc, gtk, et al? |
| 10:25.03 | timeless | kicks microb-l10n |
| 10:25.05 | jaem | but it didn't even print the "hold down foo key to enter bootmenu" message |
| 10:25.10 | Stskeeps | jaem: hmmm. what tablet type? |
| 10:25.16 | Stskeeps | (bear with me 5 mins before heading to bed :) |
| 10:25.20 | jaem | N810, latest FW |
| 10:25.22 | jaem | okay |
| 10:25.23 | jaem | sure thing |
| 10:25.29 | jaem | oh darn |
| 10:25.31 | jaem | it's having issues |
| 10:25.40 | jaem | I just did a fresh flash before trying to install mer |
| 10:25.41 | timeless | johnx: if we did this, we'd probably need to ship our own .so's for things |
| 10:25.58 | jaem | oh - never mind |
| 10:26.00 | Stskeeps | jaem: fresh flash is good though :P |
| 10:26.09 | jaem | I thought there was an issue, but there isn't |
| 10:26.13 | johnx | timeless, it's likely that in our case it would break things badly and thus end up disabled |
| 10:26.30 | timeless | any specific likely reasons it'd break? |
| 10:26.37 | timeless | i understand the old libc bit |
| 10:26.38 | johnx | timeless, we boot from a local file server with PXE |
| 10:26.42 | timeless | i believe that could be handled |
| 10:26.49 | jaem | Stskeeps: the *.item file is in bootmenu.d, and there's a bootmenu.conf in the mounted initfs |
| 10:26.55 | jaem | I'm not sure what the issue is |
| 10:27.27 | johnx | jaem, does 'install bootmenu' complete successfully and ask you to reboot? |
| 10:27.32 | jaem | yes |
| 10:27.44 | johnx | Stskeeps, will it still show the boot menu if there are no items besides internal flash? |
| 10:27.57 | jaem | was wondering that |
| 10:27.59 | Stskeeps | jaem: is there a /bootmenu.sh in /mnt/initfs |
| 10:28.02 | Stskeeps | johnx: i think so |
| 10:28.07 | jaem | Stskeeps let me check |
| 10:28.11 | johnx | Stskeeps, yeah, I thought that too |
| 10:28.36 | jaem | Stskeeps.... no, I suppose that could be an issue :S |
| 10:28.43 | jaem | should I try installing the bootmenu again? |
| 10:29.03 | johnx | timeless, so, it would be installing a new version of firefox everytime the machine was booted? Even I'm not exactly thrilled with that idea |
| 10:29.32 | johnx | timeless, I think the solution is that the IT staff needs to get off their ass and make a new image every half decade or so |
| 10:29.52 | timeless | johnx: well, fwiw |
| 10:30.06 | johnx | (BTW: The grammar is correct; the whole IT staff shares one ass) |
| 10:30.07 | timeless | a modern gecko is going to download an 80+mb phishing database at boot |
| 10:30.10 | timeless | unless you persist that |
| 10:30.50 | johnx | ahaha...we'd saturate our own pipe for quite a while just booting the computers in the morning |
| 10:30.51 | johnx | nice |
| 10:31.22 | jaem | Stskeeps: I got a "*** bootmenu.sh added" message this time, anyways |
| 10:31.22 | timeless | good to hear about the obvious problems |
| 10:31.30 | timeless | but err |
| 10:31.33 | timeless | gah |
| 10:31.35 | RST38h | johnx: It is probably something in 20-40MB range and only done once |
| 10:31.39 | Stskeeps | johnx: remember that some stupid court ruled windows start up time can't be calculated as part of your work time! |
| 10:31.42 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:31.47 | timeless | ok, so for your case, we're talking about probably 200mb per boot |
| 10:31.51 | johnx | RST38h, on 80 computers in some offices |
| 10:31.52 | RST38h | johnx: And only on Unix. Dunno why it does not happen with Windows version |
| 10:32.16 | timeless | since i'm imagining grabbing libs from libc-compat, glib, gdk, gtk2, cairo, pango |
| 10:32.48 | RST38h | johnx: but that is going to be a wonderful meltdown, it will show everybody what IT staff is for! |
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| 10:32.55 | jaem | oh - there we go... booting Mer! |
| 10:33.02 | jaem | I don't know what happened before |
| 10:33.16 | jaem | by the way, who was it that designed the Mer logo? |
| 10:33.33 | johnx | jaem, it's neat huh? That would be wazd of tabletui.wordpress.com |
| 10:33.40 | jaem | ah... I was wondering |
| 10:33.41 | jaem | I love it |
| 10:33.56 | timeless | johnx: it's neat, but could the inset thing be bigger? |
| 10:33.59 | jaem | almost looks like something that would have come from the Oxygen Project |
| 10:34.03 | johnx | RST38h, ahaha...our IT staff is largely a myth anyways. No one's seen them or heard from them. Waiting for them to fix a problem is kind of like waiting for the second coming |
| 10:34.03 | jaem | but not quite |
| 10:34.13 | jaem | maybe they're ninjas |
| 10:34.27 | timeless | let sleeping ninjas lie? |
| 10:34.32 | jaem | although if that was the case, you might not see them, but the dead bodies would tip you off after a while |
| 10:34.57 | johnx | yeah, and I somehow imagine the computers either working better or being full of deadly traps |
| 10:35.02 | johnx | not just sadly neglected |
| 10:35.07 | jaem | :( |
| 10:35.46 | johnx | timeless, hmmm, the circle around the 'e' in mer? |
| 10:36.13 | timeless | hrm |
| 10:36.23 | timeless | i was looking at something which shrink wrapped the logo |
| 10:36.27 | timeless | in a blue thing |
| 10:36.36 | timeless | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/People |
| 10:36.37 | timeless | perhaps |
| 10:36.42 | timeless | probably in fact |
| 10:36.56 | johnx | timeless, http://tabletui.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/title.png?w=160&h=136 ? |
| 10:37.12 | timeless | yeah i think so |
| 10:37.19 | johnx | aaah, having the 'mer' part be bigger in relation to the blue square? |
| 10:37.26 | timeless | yes |
| 10:37.48 | jaem | Mer appears to be hanging at boot |
| 10:37.54 | jaem | about 3/4 of the way across |
| 10:39.15 | Stskeeps | jaem: give it a bit |
| 10:39.19 | jaem | okay |
| 10:39.34 | Stskeeps | i believe that's the first boot wizard coming there |
| 10:39.52 | jaem | that would make sense... premature worrying on my part |
| 10:39.58 | timeless | no |
| 10:40.01 | timeless | reasonable complaint |
| 10:40.09 | timeless | if it needs to take time, it needs to tell you |
| 10:40.17 | johnx | timeless, version 0.6 :P |
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| 10:40.20 | timeless | (in a heartbeat/blinking manner) |
| 10:40.22 | jaem | lol |
| 10:40.30 | Stskeeps | timeless: i agree, but right now we're exposing the problems to be able to fix them |
| 10:40.34 | Stskeeps | instead of hiding them :) |
| 10:40.46 | timeless | have you guys used BeOS? |
| 10:40.56 | johnx | jaem, has it appeared yet? shouldn't take more than a couple seconds |
| 10:41.00 | timeless | likes its boot sequence |
| 10:41.13 | jaem | timeless: I think I've tried Haiku in a VM, but never real BeOS |
| 10:41.14 | timeless | timeless@swift:~/translate% diff -u -r . ../translate0|grep -v '^Common subdirectories:'|patch -p0 |
| 10:41.14 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:41.14 | timeless | File to patch: |
| 10:41.20 | timeless | grumbles |
| 10:41.23 | timeless | that so didn't work |
| 10:41.23 | jaem | johnx: no |
| 10:41.33 | johnx | jaem, ok, something's wrong :) |
| 10:41.42 | johnx | it's slowish, but not *that* slow :) |
| 10:41.46 | jaem | hmm |
| 10:42.13 | jaem | out of curiousity, how do you get into the Mer rescue menu? or is that not done yet? |
| 10:42.13 | johnx | jaem, has it stopped completely at 3/4? |
| 10:42.19 | jaem | yes |
| 10:42.30 | johnx | rescue menu works great |
| 10:42.38 | johnx | after you select mer from the boot menu, hold the 'home' key |
| 10:42.43 | jaem | okay |
| 10:42.52 | jaem | yeah, it's just stopped completely |
| 10:42.57 | timeless | +++ ./gtk20-l10n-4.2/po/en_US.po Mon Jan 26 11:36:15 2009 |
| 10:43.00 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:43.07 | timeless | oh boy, now that makes sense |
| 10:43.14 | johnx | timeless, actually, that's a neat idea, though the progress bar gives a certain granularity that BeOS lacked. |
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| 10:43.37 | timeless | johnx: there's a fairly detailed writeup about the BeOS boot sequence |
| 10:43.56 | timeless | it explains what's done for each stage and how you can understand what failed if you get stuck at a given stage |
| 10:44.06 | timeless | and for a device which is wider than tall |
| 10:44.18 | timeless | a five set of icons would fit nicely |
| 10:44.47 | johnx | timeless, you should poke at wazd when he wakes up. :) |
| 10:44.55 | timeless | poke me when we're both around |
| 10:44.59 | timeless | (or poke sp3000 if i don't respond) |
| 10:45.13 | johnx | I miss so many things about BeOS |
| 10:45.48 | Stskeeps | goes see if there's a freshly baked mer image waiting for hi |
| 10:45.48 | Stskeeps | m |
| 10:46.02 | johnx | I was saying earlier: Once you try enough operating systems and/or desktop environments you can only be 60% happy using any one |
| 10:46.04 | timeless | grumbles |
| 10:46.07 | timeless | what the HECK |
| 10:46.08 | Jaffa | boggles at Clay missing many many points |
| 10:46.29 | LinuxCode | johnx, what was the rx51 again ? |
| 10:46.30 | timeless | can someone grep for 'recognise' in gtk20-l10n-4.2's en_US mo file? |
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| 10:46.38 | timeless | jaffa: this is the voting thing? |
| 10:46.39 | LinuxCode | the new N8x0 ? |
| 10:46.43 | johnx | LinuxCode, the next Nokia thing to run Maemo |
| 10:46.45 | timeless | did he ever find the mailing list? |
| 10:47.01 | LinuxCode | johnx, there is somebody here |
| 10:47.04 | LinuxCode | saying this |
| 10:47.15 | LinuxCode | it's not rx51. it's Freescale i.MX51 (Babbage board) |
| 10:47.38 | LinuxCode | N810 is RX-44, N810 WiMAX - RX-48 |
| 10:47.43 | LinuxCode | thats what he says |
| 10:48.03 | gabkdlly | Hi all. I seem to have removed my keys for the package manager, how can I get them back? |
| 10:48.19 | johnx | LinuxCode, huh? where? |
| 10:48.20 | timeless | linuxcode: i general please don't try to guess the versioning for public hardware |
| 10:48.24 | LinuxCode | johnx, sec mate |
| 10:48.28 | timeless | we're very good at picking totally random product names |
| 10:48.42 | jaem | gabkdlly: what do you mean by "keys"? |
| 10:48.46 | timeless | s/i general/in general/ |
| 10:48.55 | LinuxCode | johnx, a guy from "Nokia" joined #fedora-arm |
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| 10:49.03 | Jaffa | timeless: yeah |
| 10:49.05 | jaem | gabkdlly: are you missing the repository addresses? |
| 10:49.30 | gabkdlly | jaem: trying to do "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" results in packages that can't be authenticated |
| 10:49.32 | Stskeeps | LinuxCode: highly doubt they would switch to freescale when they have a perfectly good relationship with TI and such :P |
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| 10:49.47 | timeless | linuxcode: he's a real nokian |
| 10:49.52 | jaem | gabkdlly: AFAIK not all the packages are authenticated |
| 10:50.19 | LinuxCode | timeless, who is ? |
| 10:50.23 | timeless | kad |
| 10:50.28 | LinuxCode | k |
| 10:50.32 | LinuxCode | then it must be true |
| 10:50.37 | timeless | but he's a russian |
| 10:50.41 | timeless | i wouldn't trust his spelling |
| 10:50.48 | timeless | r's, m's... |
| 10:51.17 | LinuxCode | lolol |
| 10:51.17 | johnx | LinuxCode, the i.mx series boards are not related to the RX-51 |
| 10:51.17 | LinuxCode | haha |
| 10:51.22 | LinuxCode | i see |
| 10:51.36 | timeless | it hardly matters |
| 10:51.43 | timeless | the *x numbering is mostly internal |
| 10:51.47 | timeless | it leaks here or there |
| 10:51.53 | timeless | but doesn't actually help anyone |
| 10:51.56 | LinuxCode | yah |
| 10:52.06 | Stskeeps | timeless: it keeps the community vibrant with rumours ;) |
| 10:52.14 | LinuxCode | just wondered how mnay test beds they had concurrently running |
| 10:52.16 | johnx | yay numbers! |
| 10:52.16 | timeless | only the british part |
| 10:52.21 | timeless | prefers rumors |
| 10:52.29 | LinuxCode | yes we like rumours |
| 10:52.32 | LinuxCode | look at the sun |
| 10:52.38 | LinuxCode | full of rumours |
| 10:52.39 | timeless | ENOTFOUND |
| 10:52.46 | timeless | all i see is white |
| 10:52.56 | timeless | (it's snowing) |
| 10:53.03 | lcuk | or you are dead |
| 10:53.05 | timeless | right so um... |
| 10:53.25 | LinuxCode | morning lcuk |
| 10:53.32 | timeless | can someone w/ an n800/n810 find the gtk20 l10n package? |
| 10:53.35 | LinuxCode | timeless, snow ? where ? |
| 10:53.42 | lcuk | mornin lc |
| 10:53.43 | LinuxCode | scotland ? |
| 10:53.44 | johnx | LinuxCode, you can build ARM EABI binaries on pretty much any ARM > armv5te |
| 10:53.50 | timeless | .fi of course |
| 10:53.58 | LinuxCode | johnx, yeh |
| 10:53.59 | timeless | where else would there be no sun + snow? |
| 10:54.04 | LinuxCode | timeless, hehe |
| 10:54.09 | johnx | so you pick the one with the most RAM :) |
| 10:54.09 | RST38h | check where LinuxCode lives |
| 10:54.12 | timeless | /usr/share/locale/en_US/LC_MESSAGES |
| 10:54.20 | timeless | *gtk* |
| 10:54.34 | LinuxCode | RST38h, im in the UK |
| 10:54.37 | RST38h | Stupid network does not even show real IPs. Bleah. |
| 10:54.37 | timeless | does that file have 'recognise' in it? |
| 10:54.48 | timeless | *** timeless is n=timeless@webwizardry.net (timeless) |
| 10:54.50 | RST38h | LinuxCode: Ah, rian then? =) |
| 10:54.50 | LinuxCode | RST38h, no need...just ask me |
| 10:54.52 | RST38h | rain |
| 10:55.01 | timeless | webwizardry.net is in Washington State iirc |
| 10:55.01 | LinuxCode | not right now..no |
| 10:55.08 | timeless | in case that helps anyone |
| 10:55.09 | LinuxCode | RST38h, I live in the south |
| 10:55.14 | LinuxCode | its not so wet here |
| 10:55.38 | RST38h | LinuxCode: Well, asking works in this particular case but in general one does not ask a potential flood/exploit victim about its IP :) |
| 10:55.39 | Stskeeps | johnx: i see updated auto-startx, what's changed? |
| 10:55.52 | Stskeeps | nm |
| 10:55.54 | Stskeeps | .. read the jaiku |
| 10:55.56 | johnx | Stskeeps, finally added the change you wanted :) |
| 10:56.04 | LinuxCode | RST38h, haha |
| 10:56.09 | timeless | rst38h: not my box, it's a risk my friend takes for me :) |
| 10:56.10 | Stskeeps | johnx: cursor one? |
| 10:56.16 | johnx | to mkdir -p /var/run/console |
| 10:56.20 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 10:56.21 | Stskeeps | yes |
| 10:56.23 | LinuxCode | RST38h, you wanted to flood me ? |
| 10:56.24 | Stskeeps | very useful |
| 10:56.25 | LinuxCode | rofl |
| 10:56.37 | johnx | ah...can't think of a good way to figure out whether to display a cursor... |
| 10:56.40 | timeless | so... grep someone? |
| 10:56.53 | Jaffa | Hmm. For some reason my vim package was missing a build-dep. That shouldn't happen. |
| 10:56.56 | timeless | jaffa? |
| 10:57.09 | lcuk | johnx, cursor could be displayed when you get mousemoves without a button pressed :) otherwise hidden andassumed to be pen based input |
| 10:57.40 | Stskeeps | timeless: i have a gtk20.mo.. |
| 10:57.43 | johnx | lcuk, I like it :) want to make me a little 'test-cursor.c' for that? |
| 10:57.44 | timeless | lcuk: or it could go away after idle |
| 10:57.55 | timeless | that way i could press w/ a finger |
| 10:58.00 | timeless | lift and see what i misclicked |
| 10:58.03 | lcuk | timeless thats a different issue and does not work in dual mode |
| 10:58.17 | timeless | and after a few seconds, i have the normal picture |
| 10:58.19 | Jaffa | timeless: auto-builder issue. Just general muttering on my part, feel free to ignore me ;-) |
| 10:58.20 | lcuk | johnx, in what language/toolkit? |
| 10:58.21 | timeless | 'dual mode'? |
| 10:58.27 | lcuk | pen/mouse |
| 10:58.31 | timeless | Stskeeps: grep for recognise |
| 10:58.33 | lcuk | finger/mouse |
| 10:58.36 | lcuk | thumb/mouse |
| 10:58.49 | timeless | why wouldn't it work? |
| 10:58.58 | lcuk | refrains from using other appendages to that |
| 10:59.03 | Stskeeps | timeless: http://rafb.net/p/AMWMNg91.html |
| 10:59.12 | lcuk | timeless, it would but that doesnt solve the problem of identifying which |
| 10:59.19 | timeless | our xserver almost certainly doesn't support multiple concurrent cursors |
| 10:59.27 | johnx | lcuk, straight C and Xlib would be nice. :) but any lib in a default maemo install is fair game |
| 10:59.36 | timeless | Stskeeps: please file a bug |
| 10:59.51 | Stskeeps | timeless: i'm already way over my list of WONTFIX'es.. :P |
| 10:59.51 | johnx | timeless, this isn't for your X server necessarily :P :) |
| 10:59.54 | lcuk | course it does, just have a single blank one in the set of normal ones, then forcefully assign that into the current cursor as required |
| 11:00.26 | lcuk | it requires explicit x tweaks which only some would attempt, but its feasible |
| 11:00.30 | timeless | lcuk: newer xservers support multiple pointers at the same time |
| 11:00.43 | Stskeeps | timeless: we use xorg in mer already, so maybe :P |
| 11:00.44 | lcuk | o.O |
| 11:00.55 | johnx | mer is using xorg. I was under the impression that fremantle would be xorg as well... |
| 11:01.18 | lcuk | johnx, remoind me later unless ive got other things on my mind |
| 11:01.28 | johnx | lcuk, sure, no rush |
| 11:02.00 | johnx | maybe it should just be a first-boot option...and later a control panel thing |
| 11:02.12 | johnx | Display mouse pointer: (no | yes) |
| 11:02.21 | lcuk | nooooooo |
| 11:02.32 | lcuk | too technical for a touch device |
| 11:02.36 | timeless | i'm still confused |
| 11:03.08 | johnx | lcuk, not having a cursor is too annoying for a touchless device though :P |
| 11:03.13 | Stskeeps | johnx: except how do you point to it? :P |
| 11:03.24 | lcuk | johnx, just have a "mouse_cursor" package available that someone who explicitely wants mouse stuff can get it |
| 11:03.25 | johnx | Stskeeps, on by default :P |
| 11:03.39 | johnx | lcuk, and the people with a mouse won't be able to get far enough to install it |
| 11:03.50 | johnx | lcuk, think: "more than just tablets" :P |
| 11:04.27 | johnx | could be valid to set in the imager I guess. anyways, won't worry about it for now :P |
| 11:04.32 | lcuk | :) touchscreen pcs, touchscreen netbooks, wii |
| 11:04.43 | lcuk | wii needs cursor though |
| 11:04.47 | lcuk | and a special one at that |
| 11:05.14 | johnx | wii could definitely make use of multiple cursors in both senses of the word :) |
| 11:05.40 | lcuk | wii needs custom rotatable handslike real wii |
| 11:05.45 | lcuk | anyway, bbl |
| 11:05.51 | lcuk | gulps |
| 11:05.51 | johnx | goodluckwiththat :P |
| 11:06.13 | johnx | ah, but really, best of luck :) |
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| 11:09.15 | Stskeeps | jaem: any luck with console? |
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| 11:11.53 | jaem | Stskeeps: it slipped my mind - I'm trying to squash a bug |
| 11:11.55 | jaem | I'll check |
| 11:12.22 | Stskeeps | i know the feeling, i was chasing HAL bugs most of yesterday |
| 11:13.00 | johnx | looks at auto-munging packages from extras |
| 11:13.10 | jaem | well, I haven't had much experience with "real" languages (we had to do C# in high school, and I haven't had much CS at uni yet), but I found a bug I can fix in KDE, so that makes me happy |
| 11:13.50 | Stskeeps | meh, it's not the languages that matters, it's understanding the paradigms behind them |
| 11:14.00 | timeless | msgid "PNM loader expected to find an integer, but didn't" |
| 11:14.00 | timeless | msgstr "PNM loader did not find expected integer" |
| 11:14.01 | Stskeeps | know them and you can adapt to any language in a day, brainfuck excluded |
| 11:14.03 | timeless | ponders |
| 11:14.07 | Stskeeps | timeless: wtf :P |
| 11:14.08 | jaem | true... but it takes a while to learn the new APIs |
| 11:14.15 | timeless | ++stskeeps |
| 11:14.19 | timeless | 'please file a bug' |
| 11:14.25 | timeless | and maybe get me whatever they were smoking |
| 11:14.28 | timeless | it must be good |
| 11:14.28 | jaem | *drool* Mer rescue menu is gorgeous |
| 11:14.38 | Stskeeps | jaem: yes, almost makes you want to crash your tablet |
| 11:14.44 | johnx | jaem, yup, wazd++ for that :) |
| 11:14.52 | timeless | heh |
| 11:14.55 | johnx | and Stskeeps++ for making it in the first place of course |
| 11:14.57 | jaem | yay console |
| 11:14.58 | johnx | :D |
| 11:15.20 | Stskeeps | jaem: if it continues failing i'll give you a tar.gz of my latest snapshot to play with |
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| 11:15.33 | jaem | thanks - that would be good |
| 11:15.36 | timeless | msgstr "PNM loader encountered something that wasn't an integer" |
| 11:15.40 | jaem | I tried booting into cli |
| 11:15.51 | timeless | would that at least be true to the meaning of the text? |
| 11:16.06 | jaem | and I got a "mmcblk1: error 1 sending read/write command\n I/O error blah blah blah" |
| 11:16.10 | jaem | that doesn't sound so good |
| 11:16.15 | timeless | the original message is technically correct (obviously), but not necessarily human readable |
| 11:16.18 | Stskeeps | jaem: ow, SD card damage? |
| 11:16.31 | timeless | jaem: n800 or n810? |
| 11:16.35 | johnx | jaem, eep. yeah, not good. time to look at your card's warranty |
| 11:16.39 | jaem | n810, and it's internal |
| 11:16.42 | jaem | >< |
| 11:16.46 | timeless | did you ever 'fix' your internal? |
| 11:16.46 | johnx | ah, time to fix the partition table :) |
| 11:16.47 | jaem | so, the n810's warranty |
| 11:16.59 | timeless | because some of them came w/ a misconfigured partition table |
| 11:17.00 | jaem | timeless: I never had issues with it, actually |
| 11:17.04 | timeless | the one i have next to me is among them |
| 11:17.06 | jaem | my friend did, but mine has been fine |
| 11:17.13 | jaem | and I've heard of worse |
| 11:17.40 | johnx | jaem, you're booting mer from an ext2/3 parition, right |
| 11:18.02 | timeless | johnx: U32AC |
| 11:18.04 | jaem | I bought a in-circuit serial programmer for PICmicro MCUs, and the tech told me the batch before mine had experimental bootloaders that would brick your device if you tried flashing |
| 11:18.09 | jaem | johnx: yes |
| 11:18.26 | johnx | jaem, ok. so not the 'partitioning problem' then |
| 11:18.28 | timeless | jaem: wow |
| 11:18.30 | jaem | the last msg is "init: rc-default main process (1667) terminated with status 2" |
| 11:18.34 | johnx | timeless, hmm? |
| 11:18.56 | Stskeeps | johnx: the initial layout might be wrong still |
| 11:18.58 | johnx | the problem is I/O errors. everything else is a sympyom |
| 11:18.58 | jaem | timeless: it was a mistake - I guess someone wasn't awake, and they shipped the wrong fw |
| 11:19.21 | jaem | the issue I had (that made me call the tech) was even more bizzare |
| 11:19.24 | timeless | johnx: random glyph |
| 11:19.25 | jaem | johnx: yeah |
| 11:19.28 | jaem | that's not good |
| 11:19.29 | timeless | that the heck |
| 11:19.31 | timeless | grumbles |
| 11:19.32 | jaem | grr |
| 11:19.43 | johnx | ah, did you repartition your card or just format the existing partition? |
| 11:19.47 | lardman | morning all |
| 11:19.56 | johnx | timeless, shows up as: U32AC |
| 11:20.01 | johnx | hey lardman :) |
| 11:20.14 | Jaffa | lo lardman |
| 11:20.16 | timeless | johnx: well yeah.. treat it as a unicode code point and then look at it :) |
| 11:20.20 | jaem | johnx: the first time I tried, I fully repartitioned it, but then I reinstalled, and I just reformatted then |
| 11:20.43 | jaem | so... how nice is Nokia with their warranty policy? :/ |
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| 11:21.03 | jaem | actually, I wonder if it's still covered by the retailer |
| 11:21.05 | jaem | that would be better |
| 11:21.14 | Stskeeps | jaem: we should verifiy it's not the partition table first i guess :P |
| 11:21.24 | jaem | fair enough, but I'm fairly certain |
| 11:21.30 | jaem | I'll boot back into Maemo |
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| 11:23.02 | Myrtti | good morning |
| 11:23.17 | Stskeeps | morning Myrtti |
| 11:23.43 | jaem | back in Maemo |
| 11:23.47 | Stskeeps | Myrtti: how would you organise a localization project for Mer? as in, tools and cooperation and such, - we have a bunch of .pos and too many languages :P |
| 11:24.02 | Myrtti | Stskeeps: launchpad. |
| 11:24.11 | Stskeeps | how do they make it simple? |
| 11:24.24 | Myrtti | mailing lists are there |
| 11:24.29 | Myrtti | or you can have it there |
| 11:24.52 | Myrtti | there's also lots of translators that do other projects, so you have a good base from Launchpad only already |
| 11:25.05 | johnx | Stskeeps, launchpad: our old ball and chain :) |
| 11:25.12 | Stskeeps | ah, they have a po interface it seems like? |
| 11:25.15 | Myrtti | yup |
| 11:25.17 | w00t | yes |
| 11:25.28 | Stskeeps | interesting |
| 11:25.37 | Myrtti | I don't translate in any other way. Sending the po's back and forth is annoying |
| 11:25.58 | timeless | hey |
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| 11:26.08 | timeless | is there a tool that can tell me if a msgid and a msgstr differ? |
| 11:26.14 | Myrtti | atleast Finnish translators have their own mailing list apart from launchpad, older than launchpad |
| 11:26.25 | Myrtti | for quality issues and checking the translations |
| 11:26.44 | Stskeeps | Myrtti: so how does it work? people upload pos? |
| 11:26.48 | Stskeeps | like, initially |
| 11:26.54 | Myrtti | yupo |
| 11:27.21 | Myrtti | and you can get the po's out launchpad if you want to |
| 11:28.11 | timeless | can you upload mo's? :) |
| 11:28.18 | Myrtti | I have no idea |
| 11:28.45 | Stskeeps | Myrtti: thanks for the info :) |
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| 11:30.03 | Jaffa | raises #4043 in bugs.m.o to try and merge some of the HAM changes upstream |
| 11:30.56 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: attach to sprint :) |
| 11:31.14 | Jaffa | Just part of the merification, isn't it |
| 11:31.15 | Jaffa | ? |
| 11:31.15 | timeless | jaffa: please create an attachment |
| 11:31.16 | johnx | attempts to write a nice little auto-munger that takes a debian/control for a diablo package and spits out a debian/control suitable for mer |
| 11:31.51 | Jaffa | timeless: thought you'd say that, but I was a) following another bug which also linked to a launchpad diff; b) haven't got access to the machine with the patch on |
| 11:32.05 | Jaffa | goes to see if he can |
| 11:32.10 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: well, to the bugs list on the sprint list.. it's a good way to see how many % are WONTFIX :P |
| 11:32.33 | timeless | jaffa: some browsers (well, some os file pickers) will let you select urls in file upload fields :) |
| 11:32.54 | timeless | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Emer-committers/m-r/hildon-application-manager/diff/7 |
| 11:33.21 | timeless | jaffa: stupid question |
| 11:33.26 | timeless | how 'early' is this migration done |
| 11:33.29 | timeless | and how 'often'? |
| 11:33.46 | timeless | could a 'guest' user 'poison' h-a-m? |
| 11:34.14 | timeless | or is that not an issue because all 'users' are trusted and allowed to run h-a-m anyway |
| 11:34.48 | timeless | technically you should use /etc/passwd to find user's home directories :) |
| 11:35.57 | timeless | msgid "Do use the Wintab API [default]" |
| 11:36.00 | timeless | sgihs |
| 11:36.08 | timeless | someone needs to learn about DOs and DONTs |
| 11:37.29 | timeless | err |
| 11:37.34 | Stskeeps | johnx: did you push first-boot-wizard too? |
| 11:37.35 | timeless | who gave me this url: http://svn.gnome.org/svn/gtk+/trunk/po/ |
| 11:37.39 | v33 | is there a way to import wikipedia poi's to maemo mapper? |
| 11:37.43 | Stskeeps | timeless: <- |
| 11:38.00 | timeless | can you give me a url for gtkcalendar.c ? |
| 11:38.01 | johnx | Stskeeps, I did :) I need to make it add $PREFERED_USER to @users though |
| 11:38.07 | johnx | forgot about that |
| 11:38.36 | jaem | Stskeeps: I tried fiddling with a few things... fsck hangs, which can't be a good sign |
| 11:39.12 | Stskeeps | jaem: sfdisk -l /dev/mmcblkyourinternal |
| 11:39.26 | Stskeeps | johnx: and remember to build instead of build-x86 for first-boot-wizard, it's not arch-indep |
| 11:39.53 | johnx | ah, it should be arch indep though, I believe. I'll fix that |
| 11:40.13 | timeless | stskeeps: hurry? i need to go to work(lunch) |
| 11:40.45 | Stskeeps | timeless: http://svn.gnome.org/svn/gtk+/trunk/gtk/gtkcalendar.c |
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| 11:41.23 | timeless | stskeeps: ok |
| 11:41.26 | timeless | a bug needs to be filed |
| 11:41.29 | timeless | view-source:http://svn.gnome.org/svn/gtk+/trunk/gtk/gtkcalendar.c |
| 11:41.31 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:41.33 | jaem | Stskeeps: it prints the line about /dev/mmcblk0, and then just hangs |
| 11:41.42 | jaem | it won't display any partition info |
| 11:41.42 | timeless | 'is in top' is not meaningful/proper English |
| 11:42.13 | Stskeeps | jaem: warranty :/ |
| 11:42.19 | jaem | :( |
| 11:42.21 | Stskeeps | sounds like your internal mmc is blown |
| 11:42.23 | jaem | yeah |
| 11:42.25 | jaem | it does |
| 11:42.27 | jaem | ouch |
| 11:42.46 | Stskeeps | which is the first time i've ever heard that happening |
| 11:43.00 | X-Fade | jaem: N810? |
| 11:43.00 | Stskeeps | do yourself a favour and flash the original initfs on it |
| 11:43.14 | jaem | Stskeeps: yeah, that might be wise ;) |
| 11:43.19 | jaem | X-Fade: yes |
| 11:43.25 | johnx | also: you're using Nokia's kernel right? |
| 11:43.30 | jaem | johnx: yes |
| 11:43.33 | X-Fade | jaem: Make sure that the partition and filesystem are the same size. |
| 11:43.39 | jaem | everything stock |
| 11:43.49 | jaem | X-Fade: sorry? |
| 11:43.51 | lcuk | needs mroe loo roll |
| 11:44.03 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: we just verified it can't even read the partition table :P |
| 11:44.03 | johnx | X-Fade, if it hangs reading the partition talbe something wrong :) |
| 11:44.27 | jaem | indeed |
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| 11:44.32 | jaem | well then |
| 11:44.35 | X-Fade | johnx, Stskeeps: Written past the limit? |
| 11:45.05 | X-Fade | Not sure it it wraps to the first blocks :) |
| 11:45.12 | johnx | X-Fade, that's not the typical failure mode for sd cards unless the failed part is the very first couple blocks |
| 11:45.24 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: hehe, we don't know, but we cannot even zap the partition table, so :) |
| 11:45.40 | Stskeeps | well, hm |
| 11:45.47 | Stskeeps | jaem: let's try one thing |
| 11:45.55 | jaem | okay - shoot |
| 11:46.13 | jaem | actually, hold your fire - I'm going to get a drink :P |
| 11:46.53 | jaem | back |
| 11:47.02 | jaem | so, I guess the Mer disclaimer was warranted |
| 11:47.07 | Stskeeps | heh heh |
| 11:47.13 | Stskeeps | sfdisk -s , sfdisk /dev/mmcblk0 , write ",,L" |
| 11:47.22 | Stskeeps | and ctrl-d |
| 11:47.23 | jaem | I haven't married yet, so it can't steal my wife :P |
| 11:47.49 | jaem | Stskeeps: what do you mean by "write ',,L'" |
| 11:48.05 | Stskeeps | type ,,L |
| 11:48.08 | jaem | ok |
| 11:48.11 | Stskeeps | it means put one big linux partition on it |
| 11:48.17 | jaem | I wasn't sure how literally you meant it |
| 11:49.27 | jaem | the second cmd gives me a "Device Busy" error, but nothing on that card is mounted |
| 11:49.41 | Stskeeps | umount /media/mmc* |
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| 11:50.24 | jaem | "Invalid argument" on both mountpoints |
| 11:50.33 | Stskeeps | hmm |
| 11:50.40 | jaem | nothing's mounted |
| 11:50.44 | jaem | I checked mtab |
| 11:50.54 | Stskeeps | fair enough, seems like it's hosed then :/ |
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| 11:51.07 | johnx | just checking...but you don't have your n810 plugged into your computer by usb right now, correct? |
| 11:51.19 | jaem | johnx: no |
| 11:53.52 | Stskeeps | hildon-application-manager.launch: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `CXXABI_ARM_1.3.3' not found (required by hildon-application-manager.launch) |
| 11:53.55 | Stskeeps | glares |
| 11:57.42 | jaem | I purchased my N810 through a friend, since he gets a discount at the store ($380 CAD last September :D), so I'll have to get him to check his warranty terms |
| 11:58.04 | jaem | I think his membership also gives him free RMA pickup, too, which would be nice |
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| 12:00.31 | jaem | ls |
| 12:00.36 | jaem | wrong window |
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| 12:02.24 | Stskeeps | morning wazd |
| 12:03.05 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: that's not good |
| 12:03.12 | wazd | hello everybody) |
| 12:03.32 | wazd | Well, that was slightly more than 5 hours :) |
| 12:03.35 | jaem | wazd: I love your Mer rescue menu graphics :D |
| 12:03.42 | jaem | keep up the good work |
| 12:03.49 | wazd | jaem: thanks :) |
| 12:04.05 | wazd | Jaffa: I've made .png Mer logo for you |
| 12:04.09 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: the whole compiler toolchain for SB is a bit fucky |
| 12:04.36 | Stskeeps | never tested it with c++ |
| 12:04.36 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 12:04.53 | Jaffa | timeless: attachment attached to #4043 (and I'm pretty happy with the security & implementations on Maemo & Mer. Yes, could use /etc/passwd to find home directories, but a bit overkill for a postinst) |
| 12:04.58 | Jaffa | wazd: indeed, I think I saw. |
| 12:05.12 | Jaffa | But I've lost it now |
| 12:05.38 | wazd | Jaffa: http://s55.radikal.ru/i149/0901/ed/cec296ff7fa9.png |
| 12:06.40 | Jaffa | ta |
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| 12:07.49 | Stskeeps | wazd: could you mail me on carsten.munk at gmail.com the stuff on http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/People ? ;) i'll add you as the worthy participant you are then, and if you dont have a jaiku invite already, invite you there :P |
| 12:08.49 | wazd | oh, sure! |
| 12:09.04 | wazd | and no, I don't have Jaiku invite \ |
| 12:09.27 | jaem | oh great... now I can't reproduce the bug I was trying to fix... |
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| 12:09.33 | jaem | anyhow, I'm heading off to bed |
| 12:09.35 | jaem | night, everybody |
| 12:10.12 | Stskeeps | b-man|half-aslee: coffee is the solution |
| 12:10.43 | b-man|half-aslee | i'm going to school in 5 minutes, i can't ;p |
| 12:10.54 | GeneralAntilles | Ha: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3750#c19 |
| 12:11.10 | johnx | 'night jaem :) |
| 12:11.19 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: hehe :> |
| 12:11.30 | jaem | haha |
| 12:11.36 | johnx | ah the unknown wonders of vending machine canned coffee :) |
| 12:13.44 | b-man|half-aslee | leaves for school - bye :) |
| 12:14.34 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, does that mean it's fixed (the report is about SSU/updating)? |
| 12:14.59 | GeneralAntilles | Well, it wont affect SSU updates. |
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| 12:16.00 | andre__ | and that's what the bug was about, right? |
| 12:16.13 | andre__ | maybe i simply don't get it :) |
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| 12:16.40 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, the solution was to remove the dependencies from osv |
| 12:16.47 | GeneralAntilles | but the packages haven't actually been fixed |
| 12:17.02 | GeneralAntilles | so if somebody slips the packages back into osv, then the same mess will occur. |
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| 12:17.39 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: yay on http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-locale.png |
| 12:17.46 | andre__ | gsss. ok. |
| 12:17.52 | Jaffa | That's almost worth replacing one of the exisiting screenshots |
| 12:17.59 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 12:17.59 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, RESOLVE if you see fit. ;) |
| 12:18.10 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: you should almost see the monster that fixed it.. |
| 12:18.48 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: http://rafb.net/p/3YJ15A71.html |
| 12:18.56 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, what fit?! :-P |
| 12:19.30 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: re 4001 im not sure it's "nokia not supporting" really - maybe a bit too much to expect of a pre-alpha and i suspect many of these strings will be gone (as it seems like they're dropping "old" h-d completely in next sdk) |
| 12:19.58 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, but we need the "old" h-d, no? (until we know more, anyway) |
| 12:20.07 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: at this point we've branched it |
| 12:20.14 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: nice |
| 12:20.35 | wazd | Stskeeps: done) |
| 12:20.48 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: and then a bunch of oneliners to automatically dch -i, bzr commit, push and dpkg-buildpackage ;) |
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| 12:21.36 | Stskeeps | wazd: thanks! |
| 12:23.26 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: so it's a single "fix-l10n" package? |
| 12:24.55 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: nah, https://code.launchpad.net/~mer-translations |
| 12:25.34 | Jaffa | wazf: if you have any better implementations of http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Mer-faded-background.png btw, I'd be happy to see 'em ;-) |
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| 12:26.20 | Stskeeps | wazd: invited to jaiku |
| 12:27.03 | Stskeeps | johnx: while you're at start-hildon, meiz's suggestion on jaiku could be good |
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| 12:27.34 | johnx | will do |
| 12:28.08 | vai | are there any special tricks to do to make SDL work under Maemo? |
| 12:28.31 | vai | I set the resolution OK (I think) |
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| 12:30.30 | vai | ah, now I remember, it's 16 bpp |
| 12:30.55 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: wow, dedicated :-) |
| 12:30.57 | vai | that's like 5 bits per channel |
| 12:31.16 | johnx | 565 IIRC |
| 12:32.57 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: now we just need someone to manage the launchpad part of localization and stuff, it's definately not my area |
| 12:33.36 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: if no-one else does, I can probably take a look. But it won't be before the 0.8 sprint :-( |
| 12:33.42 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: yeah, fair enough |
| 12:33.46 | Stskeeps | we're not in a hurry atm |
| 12:34.02 | Stskeeps | having good localization strings is a good thing for 0.7 already |
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| 12:35.27 | Khertan_atWork | Hello everybody ! |
| 12:35.33 | Stskeeps | morning Khertan_atWork |
| 12:35.34 | johnx | hi Khertan_atWork |
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| 12:35.49 | Stskeeps | Khertan_atWork: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-homeip.png ;) |
| 12:35.55 | Stskeeps | (you need to make it support eth0 too :P) |
| 12:36.43 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: doesn't VirtualBox have "Save screenshot" functionality, which'd mean not seeing the frames? |
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| 12:36.57 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: don't think so actually |
| 12:37.05 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: i like it for the effect though |
| 12:37.25 | Stskeeps | "look, this works on x86 too". and if i wanted a screenshot, i would take it with the load applet :) |
| 12:37.45 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: true, but makes the screenshots on Mer/About look like it /doesn't/ run on an actual device ;-) |
| 12:37.53 | Jaffa | (IMHO) |
| 12:38.20 | RST38h | Does it run on an actual device though? |
| 12:38.47 | johnx | RST38h, runs on plenty, kthx :P |
| 12:38.54 | Stskeeps | RST38h: zaurus, 770, n8x0 :P |
| 12:38.58 | Jaffa | Yes. There's a video of it on an N810 on p.m.o |
| 12:38.59 | RST38h | Ah |
| 12:39.04 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: there is? |
| 12:39.10 | RST38h | Just checking, folks =) |
| 12:39.10 | Jaffa | There is. |
| 12:39.23 | Stskeeps | oh |
| 12:39.43 | johnx | RST38h, heh. I used to worry that we talk about mer too much on #maemo but I guess we need to work on raising awareness |
| 12:40.08 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: it was even on the "Latest Activity" feed, but - oh, hmm, that needs a date re-sort |
| 12:40.25 | Khertan_atWork | stskeeps> about python on mer ... i ve done a stupid things ... i ve now a conflict with python2.5-cairo et python-cairo ;) |
| 12:41.06 | Jaffa | goes to fix the theme |
| 12:41.33 | Jaffa | s/theme/feed/ |
| 12:41.39 | Stskeeps | Khertan_atWork: hehe |
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| 12:42.27 | Stskeeps | watches Mer video |
| 12:42.58 | RST38h | johnx: it is the wrong time |
| 12:43.38 | RST38h | johnx: until it is usable by joe-users on the standard n8x0 hardware, raising awareness will do it more harm then good |
| 12:43.39 | johnx | RST38h, yeah, still a little early. I was just surprised you hadn't clicked on one screenshot or another yet |
| 12:43.42 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa++ about the virtualbox |
| 12:44.14 | RST38h | johnx: I clicked on a lot fo screenshots lately, but those are not indicative of anything. |
| 12:44.33 | RST38h | Just showing empty Hildon desktop running some desktop apps |
| 12:44.55 | Stskeeps | RST38h: hehe, but trust me, even getting that far is a feat in itself :) |
| 12:45.06 | Stskeeps | and we are starting to get more maemo apps on top now |
| 12:45.48 | Khertan_atWork | i think i ll use it everyday if can get my phone data connection useable on it |
| 12:46.20 | Stskeeps | hehe.. now that's one thing nokia does right, it's so bloody easy to tether |
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| 12:47.14 | johnx | hmm, well bluez-gnome is happy enough to install... |
| 12:47.30 | Khertan_atWork | it s also seem's that mer drain more battery |
| 12:47.41 | johnx | Khertan_atWork, at this point: very likely |
| 12:47.52 | Khertan_atWork | is this something normal ? |
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| 12:48.01 | RST38h | Sts: Yea, I understand :) |
| 12:48.05 | Khertan_atWork | is it something normal ? |
| 12:48.13 | Stskeeps | Khertan_atWork: yes, the wifi power saving is not working right now |
| 12:48.13 | Jaffa | Stskeeps : fixed the feed so that the blog will appear at the right point now (about #3 at the moment)( |
| 12:48.21 | Khertan_atWork | ok |
| 12:48.32 | X-Fade | Khertan_atWork: Maemo has gone through great lengths to get power saving optimized. You don't get that for free when you just pick a debian install. |
| 12:48.45 | Khertan_atWork | :) |
| 12:48.48 | Khertan_atWork | of course :) |
| 12:48.54 | Khertan_atWork | just asking :) |
| 12:49.24 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: yeah.. we hope to get closer to maemo than a normal ubuntu install though :) |
| 12:49.47 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Sure, but there are always applications that just don't know about powersaving ;) |
| 12:49.53 | Stskeeps | yeah, of course |
| 12:50.13 | X-Fade | A simple blinking cursor can prevent the device from sleeping for example. |
| 12:50.23 | Khertan_atWork | oh ? really ? |
| 12:50.46 | Khertan_atWork | a blinking cursor is managed in a gtk widget normally ? |
| 12:50.51 | X-Fade | Khertan_atWork: Yes, if it is stupid enough to request redraws the whole time etc.. |
| 12:51.20 | johnx | or anything with a timer, really |
| 12:51.34 | X-Fade | Most developers of desktop apps didn't think about the powersaving case until a year ago orso.. |
| 12:51.52 | X-Fade | Powertop gave a lot of people insights in that.. |
| 12:52.12 | johnx | yup, looking forward to letting powertop loose :) |
| 12:52.31 | johnx | also, another reason we're sticking with maemo apps as much as we can |
| 12:52.41 | X-Fade | johnx: yeah, reducing wakups will save you a lot probably. |
| 12:53.48 | johnx | interesting note: gnome's bluetooth-applet works great in mer |
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| 12:55.00 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: recompiled HAM with proper stdc, checking it out now |
| 12:55.10 | Khertan_atWork | editing network is really hard with all this window which doesn't get focus |
| 12:56.12 | Stskeeps | ... |
| 12:56.47 | Stskeeps | mumbles something about torching scratchbox |
| 12:57.05 | RST38h | found a dead pixel in Lenovo's *frame buffer* |
| 12:57.22 | RST38h | No at the LCD, mind you, but in the freaking frame buffer |
| 12:57.33 | Stskeeps | that's a new one |
| 12:57.36 | johnx | Stskeeps, frankly I'm surprised you've stayed sane this long while staring into its depths |
| 12:57.54 | RST38h | Next time you feel desire to buy a ThinkPad, keep this in mind. And the fact that Lenovo's battery died after 3 months of light use |
| 12:58.13 | johnx | RST38h, the framebuffer is a totally generic intel part |
| 12:58.21 | Stskeeps | johnx: i am more astonished i was able to stop smoking while tinkering with this thing |
| 12:58.30 | johnx | the coffee probably helps |
| 12:59.04 | RST38h | johnx: Well, this particular totally generic intel part died |
| 12:59.42 | RST38h | johnx: And this is the first time in my life that I see it die (which just happens to be in a Lenovo laptop, following other first occurances in my life that happened with a Lenovo laptop) |
| 13:00.19 | johnx | RST38h, ah, the beauty of coincidence and anecdotal evidence :) |
| 13:01.06 | RST38h | johnx: Never underestimate serial anecdotal evidence |
| 13:01.34 | johnx | noted |
| 13:01.53 | RST38h | On the bright side, some IBM execs are probably laughing now, telling each other how they got rid of the goddamn notebook unit just in time to avoid its collapse |
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| 13:03.23 | suihkulokki | never underestimate the way how internet forums convert anecdotal evidence to facts and "fixing" instructions.. |
| 13:03.34 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 13:03.41 | johnx | aaah, the joy of cargo cult |
| 13:08.25 | RST38h | wonders if IT will "fix" his "anecdotal evidence" by exchanging this lemon for an HP notebook |
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| 13:09.13 | MaceN800 | hi |
| 13:09.36 | Stskeeps | wazd: up for a tiny bit of artwork? |
| 13:10.11 | Stskeeps | 800x400, a ! alert icon, with text "Cannot boot Mer, incompatible bootmenu used" |
| 13:10.22 | Stskeeps | and "Restarting in 60 seconds" |
| 13:10.58 | MaceN800 | i need to install mer |
| 13:11.09 | Stskeeps | MaceN800: wait for the 1st |
| 13:11.13 | MaceN800 | been so damn busy |
| 13:11.19 | MaceN800 | 1st? |
| 13:11.23 | Stskeeps | yeah, 0.7 release |
| 13:11.27 | MaceN800 | ah |
| 13:11.34 | Stskeeps | we release every 14th day, on the sunday |
| 13:11.36 | Jaffa | Should be shiny. |
| 13:11.39 | MaceN800 | ok |
| 13:11.59 | MaceN800 | almost up to 1.0 ;) |
| 13:12.19 | Stskeeps | MaceN800: it'll go on to 0.10 until we decide it's stable enough for public consumptio |
| 13:12.32 | Stskeeps | johnx: weird thing i was thinking about - icons problem |
| 13:12.38 | MaceN800 | .999 |
| 13:12.39 | Stskeeps | gdk svg loader |
| 13:12.57 | johnx | Stskeeps, hmm? think it's causing problems? |
| 13:12.57 | MaceN800 | ok then.. going to do laundry |
| 13:13.03 | Stskeeps | johnx: we don't have it cos it's not OSS AFAIK |
| 13:13.11 | johnx | O_o |
| 13:14.31 | Stskeeps | but then again sdk shouldn't have it then |
| 13:14.43 | johnx | well (*&$%. yeah, it's closed |
| 13:14.54 | johnx | gdk-osso-svg-loader = Nokia-closed |
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| 13:15.12 | Stskeeps | but that is another big question, it isn't in SDK, so why is SDK working? |
| 13:15.25 | johnx | ah, you sure it's no in the SDK? |
| 13:15.43 | johnx | it would definitely be in the diablo sdk |
| 13:16.13 | Stskeeps | johnx: as in, fremantle sdk, cos yerga got widgets on his |
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| 13:16.50 | Jaffa | SVG? For widgets? In fremantle. |
| 13:16.52 | Jaffa | ? |
| 13:17.04 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: well, we have the "odd icon problem" |
| 13:17.12 | Jaffa | yeesh |
| 13:17.15 | Stskeeps | the "back" button in file chooser is missing in mer, but not in fremantle |
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| 13:25.35 | wazd | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:25.54 | wazd | so unique :) |
| 13:26.27 | johnx | well, every special and unique user gets a special and unique activation code :D |
| 13:26.29 | mgedmin | and now we know it! |
| 13:28.23 | wazd | whoa, Stskeeps is a true jaiku-dealer :) |
| 13:29.35 | johnx | work towards mer = jaiku invites :) |
| 13:31.06 | wazd | now can flood bout what he's eating right now xD |
| 13:32.09 | johnx | anyone know if bundyo made any modifications to the version of webkit he uses for tear? |
| 13:33.02 | RST38h | moo wazd |
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| 13:34.03 | wazd | RST38h: heya :) |
| 13:34.33 | benson | johnx: I think so, but not sure how extensive. |
| 13:34.53 | johnx | mmm...and I forgot tear was written in vala... |
| 13:35.02 | Stskeeps | and? |
| 13:35.44 | johnx | trying to find candidate packages that: 1) I want and 2) are possible to get working on mer now |
| 13:35.54 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 13:36.00 | johnx | trying to find what I should look for with my auto-munger script |
| 13:36.29 | johnx | but we don't have maemo-vala (or whatever it's called) so I think I won't worry about it for now :) |
| 13:37.10 | Stskeeps | sure? i thought so |
| 13:37.29 | johnx | we have that in mer already? |
| 13:37.30 | Stskeeps | i can't see the source but.. |
| 13:37.49 | Stskeeps | maybe it is :P |
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| 13:38.12 | Stskeeps | i can see a vala in our rep at least |
| 13:38.15 | johnx | then I'll give it a shot |
| 13:38.22 | thopiekar | hi |
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| 13:38.36 | thopiekar | Stskeeps: are your fresh packages ready for testing? |
| 13:38.48 | Jaffa | The Vala in Ubuntu is *very* old IIRC> Don't know how up-to-date it is in Jaunty |
| 13:38.49 | Stskeeps | thopiekar: a little better today yes, application manager is broken but rest works :P |
| 13:38.57 | Jaffa | johnx: there should be a vala package in extras-devel |
| 13:39.19 | thopiekar | Stskeeps: is there a howto: install? |
| 13:39.26 | johnx | Jaffa, ah, I'll take a look. thanks :) |
| 13:39.50 | Stskeeps | thopiekar: do you have a fresh tablet without bootmenu or clone to SD, and you have the extras-devel repository installed? |
| 13:39.54 | Jaffa | Again, not bang up to date, but probably more recent |
| 13:40.32 | thopiekar | yes but devel-extras should be activated.. I will take a look at it.. |
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| 13:44.00 | thopiekar | is it possible to install and run succesfully a programm in a deb-package builed in fremandle-sdk? |
| 13:44.24 | RST38h | no. |
| 13:45.03 | thopiekar | hmm |
| 13:45.05 | thopiekar | thanks |
| 13:45.24 | Stskeeps | thopiekar: in where, you mean? :P |
| 13:45.31 | thopiekar | I would even need fremantle on my device too right? |
| 13:45.48 | thopiekar | on the device then.. |
| 13:45.49 | Stskeeps | yeah, fremantle SDK is for fremantle devices :) |
| 13:46.25 | thopiekar | it has even fresh and more packages at .repository.maemo.org... |
| 13:46.32 | RST38h | thopiekar: you would need to install a huge bunch of fremantle libraries |
| 13:46.41 | thopiekar | needs a fremantle release.. |
| 13:46.47 | thopiekar | ... even a beta |
| 13:47.01 | RST38h | thopiekar: which probably either wouldn't install or wouldn't work on your tablet |
| 13:47.17 | thopiekar | hmm |
| 13:47.20 | RST38h | so, the answer is "no" |
| 13:47.51 | thopiekar | RST38h: ok thanks |
| 13:48.03 | johnx | thopiekar, Nokia's fremantle is for the OMAP3 and will partially depend on hardware accelerated OpenGL ES 2.0 to speed up clutter |
| 13:48.16 | thopiekar | Stskeeps: so extras-devel should be disabled for the installtion? |
| 13:48.20 | Stskeeps | thopiekar: enabled |
| 13:48.26 | RST38h | johnx: I kinda doubt hildon-level stuff will depend on clutter |
| 13:48.27 | thopiekar | aah |
| 13:48.30 | thopiekar | ok it is.. |
| 13:48.35 | RST38h | johnx: So, it may not be something to worry about that much |
| 13:48.47 | RST38h | But the rest will still not work |
| 13:48.51 | johnx | RST38h, you mean libhildon1 or hildon-desktop? |
| 13:48.58 | RST38h | johnx: both |
| 13:49.18 | Stskeeps | thopiekar: good, grab http://packages.tspre.org/pool/user/b/bootmenu/bootmenu_1.4_armel.deb , install and utilities -> install bootmenu,say yes to removing test stuff and such, say yes to including bootmenu.conf (important). Reboot when done flashing. |
| 13:49.22 | johnx | RST38h, well, they're dropping h-d in favor of something new and fancy |
| 13:49.23 | thopiekar | johnx: does that mean that maemo5 will not be available for n8x0 devices? |
| 13:49.32 | Stskeeps | thopiekar: correct, except in the form of Mer |
| 13:49.40 | RST38h | johnx: My crystal balls are currently telling me that the infamous "clutter-based maemo" will most likely be a multimedia shell on top of the traditional stuff |
| 13:49.50 | johnx | RST38h, no kidding :P |
| 13:50.06 | RST38h | johnx: There are lots of reasons in favor of this prediction |
| 13:50.23 | johnx | yes, and I *agree* with you |
| 13:50.34 | thopiekar | Stskeeps: about the maemo5 problem... lets face it... how can I help the project actively? |
| 13:50.46 | RST38h | wonders if Canola guys are already involved =) |
| 13:51.03 | johnx | RST38h, I predict that libhildon1 will be nice and normal, while matchbox2 gets compositing abilities and the successor to h-d adds effects |
| 13:51.12 | Stskeeps | thopiekar: hehe, we'll see :) |
| 13:51.17 | thopiekar | ok |
| 13:51.20 | Stskeeps | thopiekar: for now, let's get you loaded up with mer |
| 13:51.30 | thopiekar | sok |
| 13:51.32 | thopiekar | *ok |
| 13:51.33 | thopiekar | ^^ |
| 13:51.44 | RST38h | johnx: well, afaik compositing is optional in wms |
| 13:51.48 | X-Fade | thopiekar: The alphas are really not for developers yet. |
| 13:52.07 | X-Fade | thopiekar: They serve as preview, but aren't meant to develop applications with yet. |
| 13:52.23 | johnx | RST38h, I don't know any WMs that have optional compositing support |
| 13:52.44 | RST38h | johnx: but still I really doubt all this clutter stuff will penetrate the traditional Maemo stuff deep enough |
| 13:52.57 | RST38h | johnx: optional in the sense that you can live without it |
| 13:53.01 | thopiekar | X-Fade: I just wanted to use the sdk for rebuilding from ubuntu-sources.. |
| 13:53.42 | johnx | RST38h, right, as long as you have a replacement for panels, window manager, etc |
| 13:53.58 | Stskeeps | thopiekar: it's about as hard as in maemo 4 :) |
| 13:54.21 | RST38h | johnx: all this does not have to be transparent |
| 13:54.40 | RST38h | johnx: and as I said I doubt wm will use clutter very much |
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| 13:54.57 | X-Fade | thopiekar: Well, unless you want to do the real hardcore stuff, you can't and shouldn't use it for that yet.. |
| 13:55.15 | thopiekar | Stskeeps: the project has a lot to do.. right? what do exspect? |
| 13:55.37 | thopiekar | X-Fade: ok thanks |
| 13:55.43 | johnx | RST38h, well, we'll see...but I'm not going to bet on Nokia taking time to be overly backwards compatible |
| 13:56.04 | RST38h | Almost required reading: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/26/dziuba_linux_desktop/ |
| 13:56.06 | Stskeeps | thopiekar: oh, i meant that fremantle compiling ubuntu packages will be difficult |
| 13:56.30 | Stskeeps | RST38h: we have a e too :P |
| 13:56.41 | RST38h | johnx: Ah, they will not. But there is only that much you can brea^H^H^Hdo in six months. |
| 13:56.49 | wazd | RST38h: I hope you're wrong bout multimedia shell :) |
| 13:57.09 | RST38h | wazd: Why? You would prefer them breaking the whole thing? =) |
| 13:57.15 | wazd | RST38h: I'd like to see some core graphics instead of canola |
| 13:57.16 | thopiekar | Stskeeps: yes I know but I asked you about the mer - project.. |
| 13:57.34 | RST38h | StS: You have got a false e, the e of satan! |
| 13:57.37 | Stskeeps | thopiekar: ah - we have a lot to do but on the other side, we aren't starting from complete scratch |
| 13:57.47 | Stskeeps | RST38h: our proud sponsor.. |
| 13:57.56 | RST38h | wazd: Oh, clutter will be avalable for general use =) |
| 13:58.04 | RST38h | Sts: The Cthulhu? |
| 13:58.08 | Stskeeps | thopiekar: like many other mobile projects |
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| 13:58.18 | Stskeeps | RST38h: whoever's the god for pure raving insanity |
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| 13:58.41 | RST38h | wazd: Which reminds me: as you have already got the ocean there, why not add some tentacles?=) |
| 13:58.46 | lcuk | wazd, you can install clutter and develop apps in it now on linux desktop/laptop :) i was playing on my x41 tablet |
| 13:58.53 | RST38h | Sts: That's Him indeed |
| 13:59.58 | Stskeeps | thopiekar: tell me when done with that step and i'll walk you through the next steps |
| 14:00.04 | johnx | now that would make a killer panic screen :D |
| 14:00.29 | johnx | tentacles reaching out of the screen. and a a form that induces madness |
| 14:00.44 | Stskeeps | johnx: that's the artwork for the "don't run this with an incompatible bootmenu" |
| 14:00.45 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:00.54 | johnx | RST38h, I should use theregister to train a bayesian filter to detect trolls :P |
| 14:01.02 | Jaffa | thopiekar: keep notes and you can improve http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.6#Nokia_N8x0_-_Installer_files_.28simple.29 when you're done :-) |
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| 14:01.20 | jaem | I'm back... surprising what one hour of half-sleep will do for you when you've already stayed up most of the night |
| 14:01.26 | pupnik | sorry to be OT, but did you see the Lovecraftian Niger-Scam baiting letter exchange, johnx ? |
| 14:01.48 | johnx | pupnik, I did not. :D I'll track it down for later reading |
| 14:01.50 | RST38h | johnx: I think they have got a bunch of house trolls, so you won't get enough breadth |
| 14:01.50 | lir1 | I wonder how heavy it would be to run evolution |
| 14:01.55 | thopiekar | is installing the bootmenue |
| 14:02.03 | lir1 | has anyone tried? |
| 14:02.11 | Stskeeps | lir1: mm, i'll try |
| 14:02.19 | thopiekar | has installed the bootmenue |
| 14:02.23 | Stskeeps | thopiekar: and rebooted? |
| 14:02.34 | thopiekar | wait |
| 14:02.35 | Stskeeps | after the utilities -> install bootmenu |
| 14:02.36 | thopiekar | ^^ |
| 14:02.36 | Stskeeps | ok |
| 14:02.48 | lir1 | I'm asking because evolution would provide somewhat of an answer to PIM with google since it can sync Google Calendar and Contacts too |
| 14:03.06 | thopiekar | executed sudo init 6 |
| 14:03.08 | lir1 | at least according to some posts I've read on different blogs |
| 14:03.25 | thopiekar | question btw.. why is diablos apt so buggy |
| 14:03.26 | thopiekar | ?? |
| 14:03.40 | jaem | grr... what is it with Europe and their crazy timezones... it's *still* not tomorrow, and I want my KDE |
| 14:03.49 | Stskeeps | you did: install and utilities -> install bootmenu,say yes to removing test stuff and such, say yes to including bootmenu.conf (important). Reboot when done flashing as it asks you do. |
| 14:03.50 | thopiekar | 's device has rebooted |
| 14:03.53 | Stskeeps | ? |
| 14:04.12 | Stskeeps | -> thopiekar |
| 14:04.47 | thopiekar | ay yes to removing test stuff and such, say yes to including bootmenu.conf (important). ... |
| 14:04.48 | thopiekar | the osso-therminal just opens and even closes then.. |
| 14:05.04 | thopiekar | * when executeing install bootmenue |
| 14:05.40 | Stskeeps | it doesnt ask you to flash? :P |
| 14:05.51 | thopiekar | no |
| 14:05.54 | Stskeeps | apt-get install rootsh |
| 14:06.06 | thopiekar | is it the package with sudo? |
| 14:06.10 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 14:06.12 | thopiekar | sudo .... |
| 14:06.14 | thopiekar | installed |
| 14:06.20 | Stskeeps | hmm |
| 14:06.25 | thopiekar | basic equipment for me |
| 14:06.27 | thopiekar | ^^ |
| 14:06.41 | Stskeeps | thopiekar: sudo gainroot; install_bootmenu :P |
| 14:09.16 | thopiekar | works.. now? yes, yes.... |
| 14:10.43 | jaem | just wondering... will Mer actually require the root password to run things as root? the sudoers file in Maemo rather scared me when I looked at all the exceptions |
| 14:11.00 | Stskeeps | jaem: the next version allows passwordless sudo i think |
| 14:11.12 | Stskeeps | jaem: and those exceptions are a good thing really |
| 14:11.13 | jaem | but will it allow you to turn that off easily? |
| 14:11.28 | jaem | I'd much rather have some inconvenience in exchange for more security |
| 14:11.30 | jaem | oh? |
| 14:11.42 | Stskeeps | yes, just edit the sudoers.d :P |
| 14:11.47 | jaem | fair enough |
| 14:11.49 | Stskeeps | but some things need the exceptions to work |
| 14:11.58 | jaem | but Maemo doesn't have an equivalent to gksudo, though |
| 14:12.03 | thopiekar | install telnet-server for network recovery? no? a ssh-server is enough right? |
| 14:12.07 | johnx | sudo rm /etc/sudoers.d/02ubuntu-admin && sudo update-sudoers |
| 14:12.29 | Stskeeps | thopiekar: telnetd is smallest |
| 14:12.29 | johnx | thopiekar, just telnet is fine |
| 14:12.49 | thopiekar | what about dropbear? |
| 14:12.59 | Stskeeps | just say no |
| 14:13.29 | thopiekar | add initfs to bootmenu.conf? |
| 14:13.51 | Stskeeps | yes |
| 14:15.03 | thopiekar | finished.. |
| 14:15.07 | Stskeeps | k, and flashing? |
| 14:15.11 | Stskeeps | and asking about rebooting |
| 14:15.29 | thopiekar | I answered yes ;) |
| 14:15.39 | Stskeeps | k |
| 14:15.46 | thopiekar | and the device is even rebooting |
| 14:15.53 | Stskeeps | tell me if it shows the "hold menu key" down message when rebooting |
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| 14:16.18 | LinuxHack3r | sisto: Just opened the box! So show me how to get root on this thing. |
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| 14:16.39 | thopiekar | Stskeeps: so I have to reboot again |
| 14:16.46 | thopiekar | its already finished.. |
| 14:16.52 | jaem | LinuxHack3r: enable extras repo, install rootsh, run sudo gainroot |
| 14:16.55 | jaem | it's on the wiki |
| 14:17.12 | Stskeeps | thopiekar: k - i assume it was there, if you want, check if /mnt/initfs/bootmenu.sh exists |
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| 14:17.40 | johnx | ~rootsh |
| 14:17.41 | infobot | well, rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/ |
| 14:17.45 | johnx | LinuxHack3r, ^^ :D |
| 14:18.00 | jaem | I suppose that's the easy way ;) |
| 14:18.10 | johnx | cheats |
| 14:18.17 | gambler | hi all, android here to make maemo friends |
| 14:18.37 | jaem | hello |
| 14:18.40 | johnx | hi gambler |
| 14:18.51 | gambler | hi :p |
| 14:19.02 | Stskeeps | thopiekar: now go ahead and sudo gainroot, apt-get install e2fsprogs zenity gnutar wget |
| 14:19.23 | gambler | whats new in maemo land? are you guys excited about QT or not so much? |
| 14:19.36 | LinuxHack3r | Step 1: Enable Extra repos. I've not had time to play with it, so where do I do that? |
| 14:19.46 | Stskeeps | ~extras |
| 14:19.47 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras |
| 14:20.09 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: is mer-installer going into extras-devel before 0.7 (one to ask b-man for, I guess) then it can declare its deps properly |
| 14:20.21 | johnx | gambler, yeah, it'll be really nice to have for getting Qt apps running easily. I'm looking forward to PyQt actually |
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| 14:20.32 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: yeah, it's my todo to package up :P |
| 14:20.37 | jaem | gambler: I'm pretty stoked about Qt, and I hope that KDE gets plasma-mid off the ground soon |
| 14:21.01 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: problem is bootmenu dependancy too really :P |
| 14:21.16 | jaem | gambler: but that's primarily because I'd rather program in Qt than GTK - Maemo's pretty nice, and Mer looks better |
| 14:21.18 | gambler | is there a sip client for maemo? |
| 14:21.21 | thopiekar | Stskeeps: bootmenu.conf is there and the device is installing the packages.. |
| 14:21.23 | jaem | yes, built in |
| 14:21.24 | LinuxHack3r | Simple enough. |
| 14:21.28 | johnx | gambler, built in |
| 14:21.31 | AStorm | gambler: default chat client supports SIP |
| 14:21.32 | Jaffa | gambler: One shipped as standard + Gizmo |
| 14:21.45 | gambler | open source or prop? |
| 14:21.48 | AStorm | gizmo is lousy in comparison (no STUN...) |
| 14:21.52 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: can't bootmenu be nicely installed without breaking anything? |
| 14:22.21 | Jaffa | gambler: using open source librarises (telepathy) IIRC, closed source GUI |
| 14:22.48 | thopiekar | Jaffa: is the bootmenu-package actually breaking some devices.. or by users.. |
| 14:22.56 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: as a deb yeah but on the other hand it's fanoush's product :P |
| 14:23.27 | thopiekar | Stskeeps: the installation has finished.. |
| 14:24.02 | Stskeeps | thopiekar: just checking you have a MMC you can afford being erased? |
| 14:24.20 | thopiekar | yes the internal one.. (2GB) |
| 14:24.20 | gambler | is anyone here interested in http://sip-communicator.org |
| 14:24.23 | Stskeeps | thopiekar: k |
| 14:24.49 | Stskeeps | thopiekar: wget http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/mer-armel-n8x0-installer-v0.6.deb; dpkg -i http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/mer-armel-n8x0-installer-v0.6.deb |
| 14:25.11 | LinuxHack3r | It seems to be taking forever to be installing openssh |
| 14:25.23 | Stskeeps | LinuxHack3r: it takes time to generate keys |
| 14:25.30 | thopiekar | Stskeeps: isn't it possible to put the long url into a tinyurl? |
| 14:25.36 | thopiekar | ^^ |
| 14:25.50 | Stskeeps | thopiekar: dpkg -i mer-armel-n8x0-installer-v0.6.deb |
| 14:25.51 | Stskeeps | i mean |
| 14:25.52 | Stskeeps | sec |
| 14:26.16 | Stskeeps | http://tinyurl.com/cack2x |
| 14:26.54 | Jaffa | Randomly generated or apt choosing? ;-) |
| 14:26.57 | thopiekar | cack.. sound like crack..^^ |
| 14:27.11 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: random |
| 14:28.06 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: do you know of a Windows build of VirtualBox OSE? Shouldn't install the PUEL one on my work laptop, don't fancy building the OSE one from scratch |
| 14:28.37 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: hmm, no, but ideally i hope to get VMDK builds working this week |
| 14:28.41 | Stskeeps | => vmware player able |
| 14:28.45 | Jaffa | Cool |
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| 14:30.06 | cbx333 | hey peeps |
| 14:30.10 | lir1 | gambler: how good would that help anyway? it's in java |
| 14:30.13 | cbx333 | is there a sip client for the n810? |
| 14:30.15 | AStorm | gambler: sorry, no Java on NITs yet |
| 14:31.11 | AStorm | and even if there were, it'd be too heavy to use |
| 14:31.17 | johnx | cbx333, yes, built in |
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| 14:31.34 | cbx333 | johnx: ok how do i modify it if I want to talk to a local sip server? |
| 14:31.52 | thopiekar | Stskeeps: what should i choose? simple or advanced? |
| 14:31.56 | Stskeeps | thopiekar: simple |
| 14:31.59 | thopiekar | ok |
| 14:32.30 | thopiekar | thinks that advanced should be interesting, butt... ;D |
| 14:32.48 | Stskeeps | thopiekar: when it asks for URL, use this instead: URL=http://tinyurl.com/dms7lt |
| 14:32.55 | Stskeeps | (write URL=http://tinyurl.com/dms7lt in the field) |
| 14:32.56 | johnx | cbx333, I don't use SIP, but I think the settings for it should be in "Internet Call" |
| 14:32.59 | johnx | or similar |
| 14:33.06 | gambler | lir1, AStorm oh. the wikipedia article needs correcting. it says maemo has a JVM |
| 14:33.25 | thopiekar | Stskeeps: never mind i used simple already ;) |
| 14:33.33 | X-Fade | cbx333: Internet call -> tools -> accounts -> sip account -> go to town there ;) |
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| 14:33.37 | cbx333 | johnx: you're a geniues |
| 14:33.41 | cbx333 | thanks X-Fade |
| 14:33.43 | AStorm | gambler: it does? wtf? |
| 14:33.56 | thopiekar | aah the url will be always asked? |
| 14:33.57 | Stskeeps | gambler: there's jalimo |
| 14:34.00 | lir1 | it has a VJVM |
| 14:34.01 | Stskeeps | thopiekar: think so |
| 14:34.11 | lir1 | virtual virtual machine |
| 14:34.15 | lir1 | it exists only in your head :) |
| 14:34.40 | AStorm | gambler: I see nothing about it on wiki |
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| 14:35.05 | lir1 | AStorm: he's talking about wikipedia article, not maemo wiki |
| 14:35.15 | Jaffa | AStorm: The tablets have Java: see http://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo/index.php/Main_Page |
| 14:35.17 | Jaffa | oden |
| 14:35.17 | gambler | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo_(operating_system) <-- that one? there is also /Maemo_Platform |
| 14:35.19 | AStorm | http://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo/index.php/Maemo - wth? |
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| 14:35.27 | AStorm | that's not official |
| 14:35.43 | Stskeeps | of course not :P |
| 14:35.49 | Jaffa | Neither's anything else except what Nokia ships. It's still under development, but it is Java |
| 14:35.52 | AStorm | so, we now have a JVM - that's something new |
| 14:36.01 | RST38h | the better question is whether it works |
| 14:36.13 | RST38h | we had it for months |
| 14:36.34 | AStorm | it is based on GNU Classpath - I wouldn't expect much |
| 14:37.15 | Jaffa | + IcedTea |
| 14:37.18 | Jaffa | It works. |
| 14:37.31 | Jaffa | It's not quite ready for prime time (no JIT cache for rapid startup) |
| 14:37.40 | RST38h | Jaffa: Can I click on a .jad or .jar file in the file manager and run it? |
| 14:37.50 | thopiekar | Stskeeps: do you thought about a mirror for your files? the download is very slow... (germany) |
| 14:38.19 | Jaffa | RST38h: I don't /think/ so, but I've not tried. I've only done little things with it to date. |
| 14:38.28 | Stskeeps | thopiekar: yes, but for now this is OK :P (how slow?) |
| 14:38.41 | RST38h | Jaffa: If I can't, it does not satisfy my definition of "working" =) |
| 14:38.52 | thopiekar | 350-400 (600) kbit/s |
| 14:39.15 | thopiekar | even 300 |
| 14:39.17 | Stskeeps | thopiekar: mm, can probably be convinced to mirror some of the files for next reelase |
| 14:39.55 | Jaffa | RST38h: I caveated with "not yet ready for prime time". If you went to X Terminal and did `java -jar foo.jar', it'd work. |
| 14:40.02 | thopiekar | I have a ftp-server at home.. but I have only 60kbits upload^^ |
| 14:40.09 | Jaffa | even has played with OSGi in it, which is pretty heavyweight Java |
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| 14:41.01 | RST38h | Jaffa: that may be sufficient to make automatic file type binading wirk with just a few config files though |
| 14:41.09 | RST38h | binding, shit, can't type |
| 14:41.15 | thopiekar | Stskeeps: but the maemo.garage-server is very fast! think about uploading it there.. |
| 14:41.24 | thopiekar | and about the installer... |
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| 14:41.49 | Jaffa | RST38h: indeed |
| 14:41.50 | X-Fade | thopiekar: It will probably be hosted in the maemo.org repos soon(ish) |
| 14:42.24 | thopiekar | X-Fade: ok |
| 14:45.22 | thopiekar | if you use python for the installation you can use urllib to read the newest download-link for a permanent accessable link.. for example in my easy-sdk-project... I use this method to download the maemo-sdk-installer-urls... so if the link has been change i have only to change the content of the dummy-file on the server and not the hole esdk_installer for example... |
| 14:45.32 | thopiekar | -> Stskeeps |
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| 14:47.04 | Stskeeps | thopiekar: ah, the reason why you have to edit the URL is cos it's pointing to a snapshot :P |
| 14:47.31 | thopiekar | ahh ok |
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| 14:50.08 | thopiekar | is now away for lunch... |
| 14:53.04 | johnx | ah, the fun of regexps |
| 14:53.23 | Jaffa | Always fun,, IME. Especially the named groups Perl 5.10 brings in |
| 14:54.00 | johnx | I've avoided learning them for a long time, so I figure now is a good time to jump in... |
| 14:55.31 | disco_stu | Hi |
| 14:56.08 | disco_stu | johnx: i'm having this problem with my n800, that it reboots after a while when booted from SD |
| 14:56.24 | disco_stu | johnx: maybe you could give me a hint |
| 14:56.26 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: HAM works in native but not in sb atm, so just build-x86 and build-armel-sb instead of 'build' when building HAM for now |
| 14:57.16 | Stskeeps | er, build-armel straight i mean |
| 14:57.26 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: Ah, OK - was wondering ;-) |
| 14:57.27 | johnx | disco_stu, does it hang before rebooting? have you tried to run fsck on the sd card? |
| 14:58.00 | disco_stu | it doesnt hang, what partition should i try fsck in ? |
| 14:58.23 | johnx | boot into flash, and fsck the partition you boot from |
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| 14:59.42 | disco_stu | mm.. i inserted the sd card on the slot after booting from flash and it rebooted |
| 14:59.50 | disco_stu | maybe my card is borken :( |
| 15:00.00 | johnx | it's possible |
| 15:00.12 | johnx | can you test it in a different card reader? |
| 15:00.34 | disco_stu | i'll try with my notebook later |
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| 15:01.40 | gambler | sry was on the phone |
| 15:01.59 | gambler | Jaffa, im playing around with OSGi in android a bit too |
| 15:03.05 | gambler | the thing i think is coolest about QT on Maemo is that you can use QT designer |
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| 15:03.44 | gambler | GUIs become so much easier for me. |
| 15:03.59 | Stskeeps | hmm |
| 15:04.03 | Stskeeps | what user/ does merinstaller belong in? |
| 15:04.51 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: System? |
| 15:05.49 | Stskeeps | k |
| 15:06.05 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Seems the most reasonable to me. |
| 15:06.38 | Jaffa | s/System/system/ ;-) |
| 15:07.08 | X-Fade | Jaffa: c/p from the i18n name ;) |
| 15:08.00 | Jaffa | Definitely user/system from the new list. |
| 15:10.17 | Stskeeps | heh heh. NIN - La Mer coming up on last.fm randomly :> |
| 15:11.08 | Jaffa | :) |
| 15:11.09 | dob | it must be a sign! :o |
| 15:12.35 | vai | this channel is so busy, it actually makes me think someone is developing something here! |
| 15:13.20 | Stskeeps | vai: we are. and we like talking about bacon. |
| 15:13.21 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 15:13.39 | johnx | vai, it's a clever trick to make you think we actually do something :) |
| 15:13.39 | vai | is the place where you all hide from your managers? |
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| 15:19.21 | Stskeeps | evening Meizirkki |
| 15:19.24 | Stskeeps | and qwerty12 |
| 15:19.32 | qwerty12 | hi Stskeeps |
| 15:19.43 | RST38h | lost his server |
| 15:20.16 | johnx | RST38h, remember where you left it? |
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| 15:20.32 | RST38h | in limbo |
| 15:20.40 | RST38h | wait wait its coming up |
| 15:21.08 | Meizirkki | hey Sts |
| 15:21.15 | lopz | hi |
| 15:22.36 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: saw the introduction of proper locale now? |
| 15:22.50 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-locale.png :) |
| 15:23.44 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, saw my liberty+droid sans pics btw? :P |
| 15:23.48 | Meizirkki | :P |
| 15:23.54 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: yup, feel free to hack up liberty |
| 15:23.57 | disco_stu | johnx: i dont get errors with fsck |
| 15:24.03 | Meizirkki | how ? |
| 15:24.20 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 15:24.23 | Meizirkki | k |
| 15:24.24 | Stskeeps | or how? scrips :> |
| 15:24.29 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, so you want bitstream replaced with droid for sure? |
| 15:24.32 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: and dont bring in input-synaptics |
| 15:24.46 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: well, is it more readable? |
| 15:25.00 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, judge for yourself: http://trac.tspre.org/qwerty12/libdroid/ |
| 15:25.03 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps: ok, how about the keyboard? |
| 15:25.10 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: keyboard? |
| 15:25.17 | Meizirkki | n8x0 hw |
| 15:25.23 | Meizirkki | any luck? |
| 15:25.29 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: HAL shouldn't crash anymore |
| 15:25.33 | Stskeeps | that ought to help on some things. |
| 15:25.56 | Meizirkki | okay |
| 15:26.16 | Stskeeps | any objections here against switching to Droid Sans in Mer? :P |
| 15:26.21 | Stskeeps | in the liberty theme |
| 15:27.09 | Stskeeps | (see qwerty's url) |
| 15:27.23 | Meizirkki | it looks good |
| 15:27.31 | johnx | Stskeeps, none at all. |
| 15:28.46 | lardman | ot, but does anyone know if the Nokia 6300 runs S40? |
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| 15:29.16 | qwerty12 | It's S40. |
| 15:29.26 | lardman | cool, thanks |
| 15:29.34 | lardman | am just trying to find some gps logging sw |
| 15:29.45 | lardman | bloody mobile phone apps are confusing |
| 15:30.10 | Stskeeps | ~seen zenvoid |
| 15:30.21 | infobot | zenvoid <n=rgs@91.pool85-53-212.dynamic.orange.es> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 22h 11m 11s ago, saying: 'I'm looking at the sources'. |
| 15:30.39 | johnx | the sources got him! |
| 15:32.05 | lardman | like Sirens? :) |
| 15:32.28 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: you should really learn scm though :P it saves you from so many disasters. bzr is quite easy to handle compared to cvs for instance |
| 15:32.46 | lardman | Stskeeps: where's this Mer video I saw you talking about? |
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| 15:32.58 | Stskeeps | on pmo |
| 15:33.04 | Stskeeps | http://www.valeriovalerio.org/?p=206 |
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| 15:33.08 | lardman | thanks |
| 15:33.24 | lardman | I'll get up to date and install it tomorrow |
| 15:33.29 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, maybe, too much going on here to try and learn new stuff (apart from what's on the curriculum of course ;P) :) |
| 15:33.29 | lardman | Mer that is |
| 15:33.57 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: ah, yes, school |
| 15:34.04 | Meizirkki | Wicd reconnects every 10 sec if the "automatically reconnect if connection lost" box is checked. When it's unchecked, it wont reconnect all the time and wifi works well |
| 15:34.53 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: i started classes today but i got so pissed at #4001 that i got to bed quite late.. |
| 15:34.56 | Stskeeps | no important classes though |
| 15:35.05 | disco_stu | qwerty12: after booting from SD my tablet reboots, any hint ? |
| 15:35.23 | pupnik_ | what is the best maemo app to control pc playback of music? |
| 15:35.42 | pupnik_ | in other words, tablet = remote control / playlist, and laptop is connected to stereo system |
| 15:35.48 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, hehe, I went to sleep at 2am playing with mer (I usually drop out at about 1) and I felt dead in classes today, more so in science :P |
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| 15:36.15 | pupnik_ | maybe a web based remote interface on PC player would be more sensible |
| 15:36.31 | pupnik_ | but i'd hate to scroll around a page and click on little links |
| 15:37.21 | johnx | pupnik_, maemo mpc |
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| 15:38.39 | pupnik_ | thanks johnx |
| 15:39.18 | johnx | sure. glad to pass along the info :) |
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| 15:42.05 | thopiekar | is back... |
| 15:42.21 | Stskeeps | wb |
| 15:42.22 | Stskeeps | still dling? |
| 15:42.38 | thopiekar | no it has finished already.. |
| 15:42.45 | Stskeeps | ok, did it ask for a root password yet? |
| 15:42.57 | thopiekar | yes and I set one |
| 15:43.02 | Stskeeps | ok, and xterm closed? |
| 15:43.11 | thopiekar | yes |
| 15:43.17 | thopiekar | * rebooted |
| 15:43.23 | Stskeeps | ok, then sudo gainroot; refresh_bootmenu.d |
| 15:43.45 | Stskeeps | before refresh_bootmenu.d , umount /mnt/mer |
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| 15:45.02 | thopiekar | oki ... (yes, yes) |
| 15:45.37 | Stskeeps | then it'll reboot and you can hold down menu key while booting |
| 15:45.52 | Meizirkki | what am i supposed to put in Cc field? (in Mer bug report) |
| 15:45.54 | Stskeeps | do it when you see the first nokia logo |
| 15:45.55 | herzi | does anyone here have a spare 770 he'd sell? I could need one for debugging |
| 15:45.56 | thopiekar | have I to reflash the device |
| 15:45.57 | thopiekar | ?? |
| 15:45.58 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: nothing |
| 15:46.12 | Meizirkki | thanks |
| 15:46.13 | Stskeeps | thopiekar: it flashes something in initfs :) |
| 15:46.38 | pupnik_ | http://mmpc.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 15:46.50 | Stskeeps | herzi: the alignment bugs and such still? think we can almost promise you bug reports if they come again :) |
| 15:47.15 | thopiekar | Stskeeps: but I have already reflashed my device at the beginning... |
| 15:47.29 | Stskeeps | thopiekar: yes, but this one is a script that flashes a new boot configuration to initfs |
| 15:47.34 | Stskeeps | as to include Mer as a boot option |
| 15:47.46 | thopiekar | ok |
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| 15:50.31 | thopiekar | is now going a parent-teacher meeting ... |
| 15:50.36 | thopiekar | cu later... |
| 15:50.37 | Stskeeps | hehe, okay, have fun |
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| 15:51.29 | Ki6AMD | anyone else have a hava and seeing connection issues only with their Nokia? |
| 15:52.29 | johnx | 'night all |
| 15:52.32 | Stskeeps | nini |
| 15:53.28 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, somebody @nokia has been fiddling with the translations. . . . https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Package_categories |
| 15:54.48 | lardman | Adding Russian? |
| 15:55.17 | GeneralAntilles | No, changing it. |
| 15:55.30 | Stskeeps | uppercase -> lowercase looks like |
| 15:55.45 | Stskeeps | and such |
| 15:56.07 | johnx | google translate says it's actually different words |
| 15:56.13 | johnx | sleeps |
| 15:56.14 | lardman | hmm, first one is a different word |
| 15:56.20 | lardman | last one has had a letter removed |
| 15:57.41 | lardman | how do I get the media player to rescan? |
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| 15:59.07 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: does your HD crash when advanced power is installed and you put in charger? :P |
| 15:59.14 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, nope |
| 15:59.17 | Stskeeps | as in, before on battery, then on charger |
| 15:59.53 | qwerty12 | Nope, I removed the charger and then put it back in and it hasn't crashed. I haven't tried booting and putting in the charger in afterwards, lemme check. |
| 16:00.20 | r2d2rogers | wonders why he can "hcitool scan" and find bluetooth devices, but the icon for bluetooth doesn't show up in the status bar |
| 16:00.37 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: you need to start it manually? |
| 16:01.36 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: I can open it from the apps menu, and it's set to show the icon when the adapter is present |
| 16:01.40 | disco_stu | qwerty12: after booting from SD my tablet reboots, any hint ? |
| 16:01.45 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: ah, never count on that, i think :P |
| 16:02.08 | qwerty12 | disco_stu, no idea, sorry. a syslog may help |
| 16:02.21 | r2d2rogers | changes to "always display Icon" |
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| 16:02.36 | r2d2rogers | BTW great job on the localiation strings.. |
| 16:02.38 | r2d2rogers | looks great |
| 16:02.52 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: it's a trick |
| 16:02.53 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:03.02 | Stskeeps | as in, i made a script to add all the missing strings from old packages |
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| 16:03.20 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, nope, removing and reinserting charger works fine. |
| 16:03.36 | qwerty12 | er, no, I jumped in too quick with that one. |
| 16:03.44 | Stskeeps | boom? |
| 16:03.44 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:04.01 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: funny fact, hildon-statusbar-battery did similar |
| 16:04.03 | qwerty12 | HD didn't crash (to my knowledge) but mer restarted :P |
| 16:04.06 | Stskeeps | i wonder if notifications are shot |
| 16:05.53 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, I may have to sed some files for hildon-theme-liberty. nokia's theme layout is borked in the sense that you can't select the font for matchbox's theme.xml while it's slicing |
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| 16:06.13 | qwerty12 | (fonts in gtkrc are handled fine, theme.xml not) |
| 16:06.46 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: i think you have to edit the hildon-theme-layout-4ex |
| 16:06.54 | Stskeeps | and rebuild h-t-l |
| 16:07.09 | Stskeeps | (not sure) |
| 16:07.13 | Stskeeps | lo VDVsx - nice video :) |
| 16:07.31 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, :) |
| 16:07.41 | qwerty12 | I think you could be right, I noticed that matchbox's theme.xml for liberty has Nokia Sans as the font which is wrong |
| 16:08.13 | disco_stu | qwerty12: do i have to enable logs ? |
| 16:08.23 | qwerty12 | disco_stu, install ksyslogd |
| 16:08.33 | qwerty12 | can't remember the location of it atm |
| 16:08.55 | disco_stu | it reboots inmediatly.. |
| 16:09.03 | disco_stu | i think the sd died |
| 16:09.50 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, btw, bandwidth on http://repository.mer.tspre.org could be nicer - its slowing down building and apt-get sourceing :)# |
| 16:09.56 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: yeah, i know.. |
| 16:10.05 | Stskeeps | lemme just revert it back to my server now that it's nice and working |
| 16:10.18 | Stskeeps | my power supply was shot so |
| 16:11.33 | Stskeeps | DNS will take effect at some point |
| 16:11.42 | qwerty12 | Cool, thanks |
| 16:14.08 | Stskeeps | tries to update gtk |
| 16:18.41 | qwerty12 | Ok, fixed the layout & theme. I'll test and then upload if it works :) |
| 16:19.32 | Stskeeps | k |
| 16:19.45 | Stskeeps | (you really ought to push it to the bzr.. :P) |
| 16:20.08 | qwerty12 | bzr? I only understand debian/rules :P |
| 16:20.12 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:20.21 | Stskeeps | fair enough, but put a diff up between old and new |
| 16:20.44 | qwerty12 | Sure, will do. |
| 16:21.00 | Stskeeps | then at some point i'll sit you down clockwork orange style and teach you bzr |
| 16:21.00 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 16:23.51 | GAN800 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:34.42 | Khertan_n810 | Hello again ! |
| 16:35.26 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, http://trac.tspre.org/qwerty12/hildon-theme-layout-droid-changes & http://trac.tspre.org/qwerty12/hildon-theme-liberty-droid-changes . Works fine. Mind if I send to builder? |
| 16:36.08 | andre__ | wau... today is the first day that i think i finally got a *basic* impression of how much work it would be to port maemo bugzilla code to upstream 3.2 |
| 16:36.16 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: go ahead |
| 16:36.56 | X-Fade | andre__: I guess it is not a task to be done in one afternoon? |
| 16:37.08 | andre__ | :-D |
| 16:37.10 | Khertan_n810 | @WCIndicatorColor << is it fhe font for the nearest toilett locator applet ? |
| 16:37.37 | Stskeeps | Khertan_n810: that would be leet once in a while. |
| 16:37.46 | Khertan_n810 | héhé |
| 16:39.20 | Khertan_n810 | mNotes 0.2.9 builded |
| 16:39.36 | Khertan_n810 | include a bugged google docs sync |
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| 16:45.27 | andre__ | X-Fade, not one afternoon, but also not two months. i expected it to be more complicated :-P |
| 16:45.51 | X-Fade | andre__: 3-way merge and stuff? |
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| 16:46.10 | andre__ | define "3-way merge" :) |
| 16:46.40 | X-Fade | andre__: original legacy code / changes to that code / new bugzilla? |
| 16:47.11 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: applied to bzr |
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| 16:47.19 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, cool. |
| 16:47.29 | andre__ | X-Fade, mostly the first two ones, plus of course taking a (manual) look at the 3.2 code. so kind of, yupp |
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| 16:48.17 | X-Fade | andre__: Yeah, applying old patches against a lot newer moving target is hard. |
| 16:48.51 | zootong | hi where can i have download debian to use with 810? |
| 16:49.14 | andre__ | i had expected it to be much more moving :-P |
| 16:49.41 | X-Fade | andre__: Most patches were done against the styles/templates? |
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| 16:49.59 | andre__ | yes |
| 16:50.01 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: -4ex compiled, think you can build theme now |
| 16:50.09 | qwerty12 | Yep, saw, I'm doing that now. |
| 16:50.13 | andre__ | plus a few against the database scheme |
| 16:50.23 | solmumaha | hmm, any suggestions on how to kill a mouse that fell into the kitchen sink? |
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| 16:51.17 | andre__ | i thought maemo is still missing the kitchen sink to be really useful? |
| 16:51.27 | Stskeeps | solmumaha: .. if i started on that list, everyone would think i was a psychopath |
| 16:51.35 | solmumaha | i'm leaning towards boiling water |
| 16:52.03 | Stskeeps | just catch it :P |
| 16:52.12 | andre__ | oh... a real mouse. didn't get that |
| 16:52.19 | Stskeeps | and then boiling water and chemicals to sterilize the sink afterwards |
| 16:52.36 | solmumaha | no, it's a mole, they spread the puumala virus |
| 16:53.01 | andre__ | take a glass, put it on the mouse, take some thick paper, put it under the glass, move them out of the building |
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| 16:53.15 | solmumaha | nah, it will just come back |
| 16:53.29 | qwerty12 | Blender |
| 16:53.34 | solmumaha | it has to die, i just need to figure out how |
| 16:53.42 | wazd | just watched "The Curious Case of Benjamin Button" |
| 16:53.49 | solmumaha | hitting seems so brutal and i'm kinda bored of that |
| 16:53.58 | Stskeeps | wazd: is it male friendly? gf wants to see it with me too :P |
| 16:54.00 | wazd | this is one of the greatest movies I've fucking ever seen |
| 16:54.25 | Stskeeps | fair enough |
| 16:54.40 | andre__ | solmumaha, acid! |
| 16:55.09 | qwerty12 | Cook it and eat it |
| 16:55.17 | solmumaha | maybe i'll drop a trap in the sink and let it end it's days |
| 16:55.40 | solmumaha | *its |
| 16:56.16 | wazd | Damn I cant describe it, it's just super awesome! |
| 16:57.10 | Stskeeps | is kinda looking forward to 'the time travellers wife' movie |
| 16:57.12 | Stskeeps | excellent book |
| 16:59.41 | wazd | I'm really ashame that I've missed Button in theatres |
| 16:59.56 | wazd | But I'd definitely buy a DVD |
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| 17:00.45 | Stskeeps | wazd: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Time_Traveler%27s_Wife <- should consider reading this one :) |
| 17:03.44 | solmumaha | problem solved |
| 17:04.50 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: testing packages |
| 17:05.01 | qwerty12 | :) |
| 17:06.18 | Jaffa | X-Fade: ha, you reference the scp example on Uploading_to_Extras, but I only added it over the weekend :-) |
| 17:06.27 | Jaffa | In fact, yesterday morning, I think. |
| 17:06.30 | Meizirkki | hald is't ready or running in Mer o_0 |
| 17:06.36 | X-Fade | Jaffa: I altered it this morning even ;) |
| 17:06.37 | Meizirkki | why? |
| 17:06.42 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: upgrade hal |
| 17:06.44 | Jaffa | X-Fade: indeed, I now see the warning. Cool. |
| 17:06.59 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: make sure it's the "mer" version |
| 17:07.06 | Meizirkki | Stskeeps: ok |
| 17:07.32 | X-Fade | But I must have documented it a few times as this issue came up more than once. |
| 17:11.37 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: no h-i-m for me on 770, rebooting for double check |
| 17:12.35 | Stskeeps | gimme the version when time is, we had a bit of HIM trouble the last days |
| 17:16.12 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: nice soft font indeed |
| 17:16.54 | qwerty12 | Yep :). Some font sizes could do with being a bit better imho, but I'm not graphically minded so I'll probably mess things up :P |
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| 17:21.34 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: ii hildon-input-method 1:2.1.5-1mer2 |
| 17:21.43 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: yeah, broken version |
| 17:21.50 | Stskeeps | downgrade to whatever is in repo atm |
| 17:21.50 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: but ii hildon-input-method-framework is 1:2.1.6-1mer2 |
| 17:21.57 | r2d2rogers | k |
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| 17:25.30 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, btw, hildon-plugins-settings work from the offset but dependencies are fucked up. Want me to take osso-app-killer from diablo or fremantle repo for starters? |
| 17:25.40 | Stskeeps | oh dear god, osso-app-killer.. |
| 17:27.06 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: what does it use it for? |
| 17:27.19 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, no idea, I'll check |
| 17:27.33 | qwerty12 | I think I may know actually, lemme verify |
| 17:28.03 | qwerty12 | Yep, restore factory settings etc from control panel menu |
| 17:28.09 | Stskeeps | ah, yes. |
| 17:28.20 | Stskeeps | so it just adds scripts for it? |
| 17:28.22 | Stskeeps | as in, h-p-s |
| 17:28.23 | qwerty12 | yep |
| 17:28.29 | Stskeeps | remove dependancy for now |
| 17:28.43 | Stskeeps | add a task to list "get osso-app-killer sane" |
| 17:28.49 | qwerty12 | Easily done. Want me to remove the entries from the menu too for now? |
| 17:29.02 | Stskeeps | nah, let them be for now |
| 17:29.05 | qwerty12 | k |
| 17:29.54 | qwerty12 | I'll rebuild hildon-control-panel & build hildon-plugins-settings. Only change I needed to do was to eradicate Werror |
| 17:30.04 | Stskeeps | k |
| 17:30.39 | qwerty12 | The standalone hildon-plugins-settings is fucked up to hell but the control panel applet works like a charm (mostly anyway) |
| 17:31.02 | Stskeeps | i wonder.. droid sans "feels" faster |
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| 17:32.35 | Khertan_n810 | re |
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| 17:33.26 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: note on #mer/jaiku that you switched to droid sans too btw |
| 17:34.07 | qwerty12 | Done. |
| 17:34.34 | Stskeeps | ta |
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| 17:35.14 | Stskeeps | tries to install xournal |
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| 17:35.53 | Khertan_n810 | will remove kinetic scrolling from his apps ... too slow |
| 17:36.05 | qwerty12 | Wait for the next tablet :) |
| 17:36.27 | Stskeeps | or use hildon pannable areas (i think) |
| 17:36.27 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:37.47 | Khertan_n810 | pannable area ? |
| 17:38.00 | Stskeeps | new widget in fremantle.. think it's kinetic scrolling stuff |
| 17:38.02 | Khertan_n810 | i still don t what is this widget |
| 17:38.07 | Khertan_n810 | ah oki |
| 17:38.23 | Khertan_n810 | at this time i ve tryed with mokoui |
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| 17:39.28 | Khertan_n810 | and the next tablet will not be available soon :) |
| 17:39.32 | Khertan_n810 | and i dont want to let some older user not able to use my softs |
| 17:40.22 | GeneralAntilles | Khertan_n810, hopefully sooner than that. :( |
| 17:41.19 | ccooke | had a thoguht for a finger-friendly interface the other day, but isn't sure if it's feasible pre-cortex |
| 17:42.21 | Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-xournal.png |
| 17:42.27 | Stskeeps | it really should have been this easy from the start |
| 17:44.26 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: is that upstream Xournal? Ah. Yes. |
| 17:44.27 | Khertan_n810 | ping ? |
| 17:44.42 | Jaffa | Really want a Gtk+ LD_PRELOAD hack for Hildonisation |
| 17:48.34 | timelE61i | hEy. I've got my 128m minisd... Can mer work w/ it? :) |
| 17:48.52 | Stskeeps | timelE61i: it's about ~370m unpacked sorry |
| 17:49.00 | Stskeeps | we fit in about 150mb flash atm |
| 17:49.22 | Stskeeps | without stripping down much (yet) |
| 17:50.37 | timelE61i | um |
| 17:52.33 | Jaffa | Dead easy, see: http://michael.toren.net/slides/lkm-alternatives/slide007.html |
| 17:53.02 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: have fun ;) |
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| 17:57.07 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: GtkWindow -> HildonWindow should be relatively straightforward (although re-entry might be fun) |
| 17:57.26 | Jaffa | GtkMenuBar -> HildonMenu should be possible, I've got a semi-automated method for doing it anyway |
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| 18:11.48 | StOrM_NW | is there any bind of glade for python in maemo? |
| 18:12.04 | Stskeeps | think so? |
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| 18:14.53 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: no joy on h-i-m downgrade... |
| 18:15.06 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: yeah, - i had to get an entirely new image myself |
| 18:15.14 | r2d2rogers | ahha |
| 18:15.25 | thopiekar | Stskeeps: I have some feedback about mer... |
| 18:15.36 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: I might try and get a HildonWindow LD_PRELOAD going tonight (first for Maemo, since we haven't got run-standalone.sh in mer) |
| 18:15.48 | r2d2rogers | darn, I'd just cloned the extra images that the advanced -backlight gripes about missing |
| 18:15.51 | Stskeeps | thopiekar: mm? does it work? |
| 18:16.00 | thopiekar | yes"! |
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| 18:16.21 | Stskeeps | good ;) |
| 18:16.24 | thopiekar | 1. it seems that mer is using networkmanager (+) |
| 18:16.43 | thopiekar | 2. boot takes even tooooooo much time (-) |
| 18:16.45 | Stskeeps | well a plus.. sortof, it is ok, but i like ICD too :P |
| 18:17.02 | Stskeeps | thopiekar: we don't disable logs or optimize at all, atm, but thats how it is |
| 18:17.04 | thopiekar | ICD? |
| 18:17.11 | Stskeeps | nokia's connection daemon |
| 18:18.05 | thopiekar | keep it like this.. use opensource-software like in normal distris... |
| 18:18.27 | Stskeeps | oh, most stuff will be OSS, if we can :P |
| 18:19.05 | thopiekar | notification windows are too large in thier width |
| 18:19.12 | Stskeeps | thopiekar: i think that's a new nokia thing really |
| 18:19.15 | Stskeeps | thopiekar: did you try apt-get install php-mysql5 yet? ;) |
| 18:19.22 | Stskeeps | er, php5-mysql |
| 18:19.51 | thopiekar | this would be Jake24-4's try to install mysql... |
| 18:19.53 | thopiekar | ;) |
| 18:19.54 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 18:20.00 | thopiekar | I never needed it.. |
| 18:20.17 | Stskeeps | now, if you would teach him how to do what you just did, the rest of us would be a lot happier :P |
| 18:20.32 | thopiekar | hehe |
| 18:21.07 | thopiekar | Stskeeps: have you and your team thought about them(e)ing? |
| 18:21.18 | Stskeeps | points to wazd and co |
| 18:21.25 | Stskeeps | thopiekar: that theme you're seeing isn't the normal nokia theme |
| 18:21.43 | thopiekar | maybe a minimalistic theme with "powerful" widgets? |
| 18:22.07 | Stskeeps | seen http://tabletui.wordpress.com/ ? ;) |
| 18:22.08 | thopiekar | Stskeeps: I know like on ( every ) maemo sdk.. |
| 18:22.38 | thopiekar | I really would like such a theme... |
| 18:23.01 | thopiekar | how is it called in english themeing or theming? |
| 18:23.09 | Stskeeps | good question |
| 18:23.18 | thopiekar | the second looks strange actually |
| 18:23.26 | Stskeeps | thopiekar: we're playing around with the layout of hildon-desktop at least |
| 18:23.40 | thopiekar | Stskeeps: ok |
| 18:23.54 | Stskeeps | did you try and install let's say, midori, on mer? |
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| 18:24.42 | thopiekar | midori isn't it the browser... i think I have seen it on serval youtube-clips |
| 18:25.52 | Stskeeps | yeah, it is |
| 18:26.15 | thopiekar | closed-source/opensource-wallpaper.. please, what a question! leave like me closesource beside.. Stskeeps: you could start with your windows then... |
| 18:26.16 | thopiekar | ^^ |
| 18:26.24 | Stskeeps | hehe |
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| 18:31.20 | lcuk | used wine to solve a problem today |
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| 18:32.34 | thopiekar | I really like linux and I never had problems with it... some of my friend are even flameing ... wua i have a virus... my windows is getting slower.. I actually never had problems like that because I keep my system clean of silly programs and games.. but there was a bug where I thought I will never ever use Windows again.. when I pluged in a device like a usb-stick or other usb-things the hole usb system of windows break and so I had to replu |
| 18:33.03 | Stskeeps | hehe, i have problems with linux occasionally |
| 18:33.32 | Raytray | Wah? |
| 18:33.39 | Jaffa | qwerty12: I was about to point out that your change to Mer/Springs/0.7 didn't use an ISO-8601 date format (YYYY-MM-DD - sortable, see) but it's only the majority which have that format. Still, consistency good |
| 18:34.28 | qwerty12 | Jaffa, damn, it's the way I usually write dates. Will note that for next time :) |
| 18:37.18 | dob | qwerty12: you seem to still be living in 2008 ;) |
| 18:37.36 | qwerty12 | dob, hah. Evidently >.< |
| 18:37.52 | qwerty12 | blames it on lack of sleep :) |
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| 18:57.23 | thopiekar | is searching for devels of openismus.com.... |
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| 19:28.35 | qwerty12-mer | Stskeeps, apt-get update ; apt-get install hildon-plugins-settings-cpa will install working control panel & applet to move/add etc statusbar applets with en locales working |
| 19:28.51 | Stskeeps | k, so control panel works now? |
| 19:28.57 | qwerty12-mer | yep |
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| 19:29.26 | qwerty12-mer | took me a shitload of time to fix & build ;) |
| 19:29.45 | Stskeeps | k |
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| 19:30.36 | radic_ | qwerty12-mer: is there a way to modify the software-keybard-layout? |
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| 19:30.43 | radic_ | +o |
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| 19:36.41 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: testin' |
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| 19:38.46 | woglinde | hm this is cool |
| 19:38.48 | woglinde | http://www.nfb.ca/ |
| 19:38.58 | woglinde | canada opens some films |
| 19:39.43 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: odd q, fremantle CP or diablo CP? |
| 19:40.12 | RST38h | remoo |
| 19:40.18 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, I used the CP that was already in repository.mer |
| 19:40.22 | qwerty12_N800 | hi RST38h |
| 19:40.24 | RST38h | http://poster.genstab.ru/images/ww2_eng075_Keep_Mum.jpg |
| 19:40.31 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: k |
| 19:41.32 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i'm not sre why but i have two application menus.. |
| 19:42.30 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: adding to imager list |
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| 19:43.18 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, eurgh. i thought that only happened with the standalone version :( |
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| 19:57.22 | StOrM_NW | whats the name of the application that runs and put a wireless icon at upper right |
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| 19:58.09 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: I get two application menus after reboot with the control panel app also. |
| 19:58.16 | Stskeeps | fair enough |
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| 19:58.18 | Stskeeps | at least it works |
| 19:58.18 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:58.23 | Stskeeps | 2 is better than one! |
| 19:58.24 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:59.17 | r2d2rogers | Yup yup |
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| 20:02.20 | Stskeeps | did you get your HIM resurrected? |
| 20:03.01 | timeless | sts: did you file that bug about ... hrm something :) |
| 20:03.08 | Stskeeps | timeless: no, i did not :P |
| 20:03.35 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: rebooting again |
| 20:05.23 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: nope, will try the re-image tonight |
| 20:05.26 | timeless | sts: ok, so what was the bug |
| 20:05.35 | timeless | and do you happen to know how i might demo it? :) |
| 20:05.38 | Stskeeps | timeless: recognise |
| 20:05.51 | timeless | right, ok |
| 20:05.53 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: i will push out 770 image tonight too i think |
| 20:05.56 | timeless | i guess ti's time for me to file |
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| 20:07.20 | RST38h | Anyone knows where Jalimo J2ME package is? |
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| 20:07.44 | woglinde | rst www.jalimo.org? |
| 20:07.47 | Khertan_n810 | Hello ! |
| 20:07.51 | woglinde | hi khertan |
| 20:08.12 | RST38h | woginde: does not appear to offer any packages at all |
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| 20:08.22 | woglinde | rst *sigh* |
| 20:08.48 | woglinde | https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo/index.php/Maemo |
| 20:08.55 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: cool, I know I still need to dig out the 770 wifi module stuff. I have a CD-R to burn a 32 OS to install tonight |
| 20:09.25 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: otherwise virtualbox + mer + scratchbox probably works.. |
| 20:09.27 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:09.33 | Stskeeps | (fear the level of indirection) |
| 20:09.52 | r2d2rogers | yeah, but I wanna ditch the 64 bit flash issues also |
| 20:10.10 | Stskeeps | true |
| 20:10.40 | woglinde | rst https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo/index.php/Packages |
| 20:10.51 | woglinde | rst deb http://jalimo.evolvis.org/repository/maemo/ maemo4.0 user |
| 20:10.55 | Stskeeps | tries building a vmdk of mer |
| 20:10.58 | RST38h | aha |
| 20:11.01 | RST38h | thanks |
| 20:11.47 | Meiz_n810 | How can i get adv-power to work in Mer? |
| 20:12.02 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: hald-addon-bme + adv-power, but i have troubles with it crashing |
| 20:12.24 | Meiz_n810 | ok, this is from .xsession-errors: http://pastebin.com/m148835fc |
| 20:12.48 | Stskeeps | did you reboot? |
| 20:13.31 | Meiz_n810 | yes |
| 20:13.52 | Stskeeps | hmm |
| 20:14.21 | Meiz_n810 | but i just noticed i am missing hald-addon-bme .. |
| 20:14.44 | Stskeeps | yeah, get it from the maemo repository |
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| 20:15.25 | Meiz_n810 | yep |
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| 20:17.00 | qwerty12_N800 | Meiz_n810, hald-addon-bme installed? |
| 20:17.12 | timeless | sts: ok filed 4044 |
| 20:17.29 | Meiz_n810 | qwerty: Meiz_n810> but i just noticed i am missing hald-addon-bme |
| 20:18.12 | qwerty12_N800 | shame it's one of nokia non redistributable shit :( |
| 20:18.33 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: at least it's plug and play.. |
| 20:19.51 | Stskeeps | tries to automatise vmdk builds |
| 20:22.40 | Khertan_n810 | is killing is google docs account |
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| 20:29.02 | Khertan_n810 | lol there nice film on tv ... Alien Evolution 2 |
| 20:29.05 | Khertan_n810 | huhu |
| 20:29.38 | RST38h | hohoho |
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| 20:41.10 | milos_ | hi all |
| 20:41.43 | milos_ | i have question about n810's battery life |
| 20:43.19 | milos_ | how much it will last with just mail checking every hour for example? |
| 20:43.33 | woglinde | some days |
| 20:43.56 | milos_ | woglinde, great, thnx! |
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| 20:48.17 | LinuxHack3r | Just got my nokia 810 today...but when trying to install canola...it get a message saying it cannot install because dependencies haven't been met. |
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| 20:48.39 | woglinde | hack to the shell |
| 20:48.42 | woglinde | got root |
| 20:48.46 | woglinde | and try again with apt |
| 20:49.08 | LinuxHack3r | Ok...but how? |
| 20:49.10 | jaem | I called in to Nokia Tech Support with my blown MMC... |
| 20:49.23 | woglinde | your are the hacker |
| 20:49.24 | woglinde | not me |
| 20:49.26 | jaem | they're going to cover it, but I have to pay shipping from BC, Canada, to Alabama,US |
| 20:49.28 | jaem | haha |
| 20:49.42 | VDVsx | LinuxHack3r, or install extra repository's |
| 20:49.42 | jaem | LinuxHack3r: do you by any chance have the extras-devel repo enabled? |
| 20:49.56 | LinuxHack3r | I believe so... |
| 20:50.00 | jaem | because it will cause conflicts if you do |
| 20:50.01 | jaem | oh |
| 20:50.06 | jaem | generally, you don't want that one |
| 20:50.23 | jaem | if you need an app from -devel, install it, but then disable the repo |
| 20:50.34 | Meiz_n810 | install roots |
| 20:50.39 | LinuxHack3r | jaem: Oh....I don't have have extras-devel...no |
| 20:50.41 | Meiz_n810 | rootsh |
| 20:50.43 | jaem | okay |
| 20:50.52 | jaem | then go into the terminal, get root... |
| 20:51.01 | jaem | type in apt-get install canola2 |
| 20:51.05 | jaem | and tell me what it says |
| 20:51.09 | Stskeeps | jaem: sucks, but at least that's good they would cover it |
| 20:51.26 | LinuxHack3r | How do I get root? |
| 20:51.36 | jaem | install rootsh in the app mgr |
| 20:51.37 | woglinde | hack hack |
| 20:51.53 | jaem | it's on the wiki |
| 20:51.59 | jaem | what's the command to the bot for that, again? |
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| 20:52.15 | woglinde | hackers dont need wikis |
| 20:52.20 | woglinde | ~root |
| 20:52.21 | infobot | rumour has it, root is not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account. |
| 20:52.28 | jaem | haha |
| 20:52.29 | woglinde | *g* |
| 20:52.48 | jaem | you know, I've heard that rumour too... *wink* |
| 20:53.27 | jaem | Stskeeps: I do like Nokia tech support - their first tier knows what they're talking about, and they'll readily transfer you up the chain if they can't help you |
| 20:53.33 | jaem | not like my fights with HP... |
| 20:53.44 | timeless | cool. could you blog about that? |
| 20:53.53 | jaem | me? |
| 20:53.53 | timeless | i really am trying to convince people to call nokia support |
| 20:53.57 | timeless | yes |
| 20:54.09 | timeless | but it helps to have positive cases to point to |
| 20:54.25 | jaem | well, the only blog I have is defunct and terrible, but I could always start up a new one for this purpose |
| 20:54.42 | jaem | the worst that can happen is that it will become defunct too :P |
| 20:54.43 | timeless | don't call it "in praise of nokia", that'd be bad :) |
| 20:54.44 | jaem | sure |
| 20:54.44 | LinuxHack3r | Ok..I get this: |
| 20:54.48 | jaem | lol |
| 20:54.53 | jaem | okay |
| 20:55.05 | woglinde | ~pastebin |
| 20:55.06 | infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 20:55.06 | LinuxHack3r | The following packages have umnet dependencies: canola2: Depends: python2.5-terra, canolad |
| 20:55.13 | LinuxHack3r | canaola-thumbnailer |
| 20:55.22 | timeless | we don't want people to think you're a sockpuppet |
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| 20:57.36 | Meiz_n810 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:57.43 | jaem | timeless: now for a name... |
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| 20:57.57 | timeless | sorry, atm my names aren't likely to be what you want |
| 20:58.00 | timeless | good luck |
| 20:58.05 | timeless | i picked 404 File Not Found |
| 20:58.08 | timeless | so don't take that :) |
| 20:58.09 | jaem | haha |
| 20:58.12 | jaem | aaww |
| 20:58.13 | timeless | http://viper.haque.net/~timeless/blog/index.xml |
| 20:58.15 | lfelipe | LinuxHack3r: you're on Chinook right ? |
| 20:58.26 | timeless | there are a couple of http errors left iirc |
| 20:58.30 | LinuxHack3r | chinook? |
| 20:58.30 | timeless | but do check before considering |
| 20:58.35 | lfelipe | LinuxHack3r: the version of maemo OS |
| 20:58.43 | lfelipe | do a cat /etc/osso_software_version |
| 20:58.44 | LinuxHack3r | I was thinking 0s2008?/ |
| 20:58.54 | Meiz_n810 | Propably chinook then |
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| 20:59.04 | lfelipe | yep, ppl with chinook are having this problem |
| 20:59.05 | timeless | 402 is probably available :) |
| 20:59.20 | lfelipe | best solution would be for you to upgrade to diablo |
| 20:59.21 | lfelipe | alot better |
| 20:59.34 | LinuxHack3r | How do i update? |
| 20:59.38 | jaem | timeless: I could use 302, and just have it redirect to your blog |
| 21:00.28 | LinuxHack3r | lfelipe: How do I update? |
| 21:00.37 | timeless | frowns |
| 21:00.41 | timeless | google blog search isn't finding my blog |
| 21:00.41 | qwerty12_N800 | ~flashing |
| 21:00.42 | infobot | from memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 21:01.22 | lfelipe | LinuxHack3r: after the upgrade to Diablo, you won't need to reflash again |
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| 21:01.41 | lfelipe | but now you're gonna have to use the flasher tool to reflash your device |
| 21:01.51 | lfelipe | more info on t he link that infobot posted |
| 21:02.11 | jaem | that reminds me of the special clamshell package opening tool I saw... that came in a clamshell package |
| 21:02.43 | qwerty12_N800 | lol >.< |
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| 21:03.45 | LinuxHack3r | I don't exactly get this..I'm in Linux on my desktop/ Basically...I'll hoke up the nokia to my computer...download a flasher..and then run it? Problem solved? |
| 21:03.49 | thopiekar | is now going offline: cu! |
| 21:05.29 | LinuxHack3r | lfelipe: ^ |
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| 21:05.58 | jaem | LinuxHack3r: the Diablo firmwares allow you to update without having to flash again |
| 21:06.08 | jaem | so, in effect, you're flashing so you don't have to flash |
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| 21:06.32 | LinuxHack3r | I know...I know...but I'm saying this first time... |
| 21:06.33 | jaem | kind of like when my cell provider started charging me an extra dollar so I wouldn't have to pay for incoming texts :S |
| 21:07.01 | jaem | I don't follow |
| 21:07.27 | lfelipe | LinuxHack3r: yep |
| 21:07.41 | lfelipe | you're going to download the image, the flasher |
| 21:08.08 | LinuxHack3r | lfelipe: Is OS2008 also diable? |
| 21:08.15 | jaem | yes |
| 21:08.29 | lfelipe | then run the flasher, plug your device and let it fly |
| 21:08.30 | Meiz_n810 | diablo is the latest version of os08 |
| 21:09.13 | LinuxHack3r | lfelipe: Do I want the flasherrr-3.0 of the static version? |
| 21:09.14 | LinuxHack3r | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php |
| 21:09.48 | lfelipe | LinuxHack3r: get the static version, more likely that it will work without problems |
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| 21:10.21 | thp | can i start the kernel with a different commandline using "flasher-3.0"? i tried with "-b", but it does not work (looking at /proc/cmdline) |
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| 21:10.52 | Meiz_n810 | LinuxHack3r: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 21:10.55 | LinuxHack3r | lfelipe: Is this the link I use for the rom?/// http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php |
| 21:11.12 | lfelipe | LinuxHack3r: yep |
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| 21:14.39 | LinuxHack3r | lfelipe: After the rom is downloaded...how long should this take? |
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| 21:16.00 | lfelipe | LinuxHack3r: flashing is really fast |
| 21:16.11 | timeless | rotfl |
| 21:16.19 | timeless | we were just challenged by internal security to show our id |
| 21:16.22 | LinuxHack3r | lfelipe: Can I do it with the power plugged in? |
| 21:16.25 | timeless | i responded by asking for his |
| 21:16.29 | timeless | he was unable to comply |
| 21:16.30 | lfelipe | LinuxHack3r: np |
| 21:16.53 | jaem | timeless: lol |
| 21:18.32 | Stskeeps | timeless: and so the spy mission to discover RX-51 continues.. disguised as a security guard! |
| 21:19.04 | Stskeeps | (i'm willing to bet you let him go) |
| 21:19.37 | RST38h | Ok, J2ME is *broken* |
| 21:19.48 | RST38h | too bad |
| 21:19.49 | Pavlov | lol |
| 21:20.10 | RST38h | kinda hoped he will be able to download a few Evolvis packages and run a game |
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| 21:21.21 | RST38h | No sucj luck of course |
| 21:21.21 | LinuxHack3r | lfelipe: On the n810,,,what is considered the swap button? |
| 21:22.13 | lfelipe | swap button ? why ? |
| 21:22.51 | jaem | the [ ]] button on the left side of the screen |
| 21:22.53 | LinuxHack3r | Nevermind..I think I done it. Way to test if worked right? |
| 21:23.24 | lfelipe | LinuxHack3r: when you boot, do you get a setup screen, that same one that you got when you first turned the device on ? |
| 21:23.26 | timelE61i | yeah, we let him go |
| 21:23.36 | LinuxHack3r | Yes..yes yes yes.... |
| 21:23.59 | LinuxHack3r | So now try canola2? |
| 21:24.02 | lfelipe | LinuxHack3r: then it probably worked, if you wnat to check, cat /etc/osso_software_version to see which version is installed |
| 21:24.05 | lfelipe | LinuxHack3r: yep |
| 21:24.09 | lfelipe | just enable extras and install it |
| 21:24.15 | lfelipe | should work just fine |
| 21:24.24 | LinuxHack3r | lfelipe: extras...where was that? |
| 21:24.37 | lfelipe | Application Manager |
| 21:25.16 | LinuxHack3r | Simple enough...last time I clicked some link on the web that did it supposedly. |
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| 21:25.46 | Stskeeps | b-man|hypothermi: that bad? |
| 21:25.57 | LinuxHack3r | lfelipe: And it's working! BTW...do you know plaxo? Is it possible to sync with it? |
| 21:26.03 | b-man|hypothermi | h-hhhi |
| 21:26.19 | lfelipe | plaxo ? never heard about it |
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| 21:26.31 | b-man|hypothermi | just finished running 3.5 miles in the cole |
| 21:26.34 | b-man|hypothermi | d |
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| 21:27.11 | Stskeeps | b-man|hypothermi: once you regain the function of some appendage to touch your keyboard, give me a diff file from merinstaller_1.9.3-1mer1.tar.gz to whatever you have now, so i can add it to https://code.launchpad.net/~mer-committers/m-r/merinstaller |
| 21:27.25 | Stskeeps | i've been working on making a debian package for you so we can get it into extras |
| 21:27.26 | b-man|hypothermi | ok |
| 21:28.02 | b-man|hypothermi | was running with a t-shirt and running shorts in 20 F weather - my track coach made me |
| 21:28.17 | jaem | ouch |
| 21:28.23 | Stskeeps | b-man|hypothermi: and that is why geeks avoid sports |
| 21:28.24 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:28.42 | b-man|hypothermi | is a little tramatised atm |
| 21:29.39 | b-man|hypothermi | will be back - getting some hot tea ;) |
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| 21:32.27 | LinuxHack3r | How can I add mp3 playback? |
| 21:32.34 | Stskeeps | should be there by standard |
| 21:32.36 | LinuxHack3r | Make that *mp4 playback. |
| 21:32.55 | b-man|hypothermi | *cough* |
| 21:33.35 | lfelipe | LinuxHack3r: if Maemo's Media Player can play it, then it should already work |
| 21:33.42 | lfelipe | otherwise, just install the mplayer package |
| 21:34.07 | LinuxHack3r | lfelipe: It cannot...but mplayer should do it? |
| 21:34.35 | lfelipe | LinuxHack3r: most likely yes |
| 21:36.00 | LinuxHack3r | I have some bash scripts....things that combine wget and ssh...I was told I'd have to "install" bash? |
| 21:36.24 | Stskeeps | yeah, it's in extras |
| 21:36.24 | jaem | yes |
| 21:36.30 | Stskeeps | we have busybox sh, but not bash |
| 21:36.32 | jaem | by default, it uses Busybox |
| 21:36.33 | lfelipe | hun, you might have to do it if the scripts have "bash"ism's |
| 21:36.53 | qwerty12_N800 | bash2 in extras, bash3 in extras-devel |
| 21:36.56 | lfelipe | but if they are simple enough, busybox might work |
| 21:37.15 | LinuxHack3r | lfelipe: They are simple...I'll try. All they do is save typing basically. |
| 21:37.25 | LinuxHack3r | I suppose I'll need wget though..it in the repos? |
| 21:37.29 | lfelipe | yep |
| 21:37.40 | LinuxHack3r | This thing is amazing. |
| 21:38.10 | jaem | LinuxHack3r: indeed |
| 21:38.17 | jaem | I couldn't do without it |
| 21:39.33 | LinuxHack3r | jaem: I can't find wget. |
| 21:39.53 | jaem | it should be in extras |
| 21:39.59 | jaem | are you going through the app managere? |
| 21:40.06 | LinuxHack3r | Yes...you do it with terminal? |
| 21:40.13 | jaem | you don't have to |
| 21:40.22 | jaem | go to the app manager menu |
| 21:40.24 | LinuxHack3r | I'm going through app managerr. |
| 21:40.41 | jaem | ...Settings|Catalogs |
| 21:40.46 | jaem | tell me when you're there |
| 21:41.10 | LinuxHack3r | What do you mean. Settings|Catalogs? |
| 21:41.42 | jaem | sorry - Menu->Settings->Catalogs |
| 21:41.42 | jaem | on the menu |
| 21:41.48 | LinuxHack3r | I don't have a catalogs? |
| 21:41.53 | jaem | one sec |
| 21:41.59 | jaem | I forget what it's called |
| 21:41.59 | LinuxHack3r | I have an Application manager though. |
| 21:42.05 | jaem | yes |
| 21:42.08 | jaem | the menu in that app |
| 21:42.13 | jaem | tap the titlebar |
| 21:42.18 | jaem | sorry, that was ambiguous |
| 21:42.28 | LinuxHack3r | Tools...catalogs...maemo extras is on. |
| 21:42.37 | jaem | okay |
| 21:42.40 | jaem | click "new" |
| 21:42.51 | LinuxHack3r | k |
| 21:42.52 | jaem | in the URL field, enter "matrix" (no http) |
| 21:42.55 | jaem | then click cancel |
| 21:42.57 | jaem | :P |
| 21:43.07 | StOrM_NW | is there any version of bridge-utils already running on maemo? i had tried to generate a debian file for it and installed but brctl is not working well ... it always says something like "add bridge failed: Package not installed" when i try to add a new bridge ... does it has something related with the CONFIG_BRIDGE in kernel configuration file? |
| 21:43.37 | LinuxHack3r | Which one! |
| 21:43.46 | jaem | only you can make that decision... |
| 21:43.48 | jaem | jk |
| 21:43.49 | jaem | Red |
| 21:44.02 | LinuxHack3r | now what? |
| 21:44.10 | StOrM_NW | hehe matrix mode :P |
| 21:44.12 | jaem | now you have entered the advanced mode |
| 21:44.19 | jaem | so you should be able to see wget |
| 21:44.21 | jaem | and install it |
| 21:44.28 | sisto | LinuxHack3r: hi |
| 21:44.28 | jaem | but yes, you could have done it from the console |
| 21:44.50 | StOrM_NW | apt-get install wget is faster than use matrix mode |
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| 21:45.03 | jaem | StOrM_NW: yes, but it's nice to have |
| 21:45.06 | LinuxHack3r | sisto: Hi |
| 21:45.28 | sisto | LinuxHack3r: did you finally get it? |
| 21:45.37 | LinuxHack3r | sisto: today... |
| 21:45.38 | Jaffa_ | Oh noes.... someone's been introduced to Red-Pill? That utterly hacky abomination that causes more problems than it's ever solved... |
| 21:45.57 | LinuxHack3r | So...would it be possible to setup synergy on this thing? |
| 21:46.05 | StOrM_NW | lol, just dont forget to disable the matrix mode after used |
| 21:46.08 | jaem | Linuxhack3r: I think it's been done |
| 21:46.19 | jaem | Jaffa: sorry >< |
| 21:46.27 | sisto | LinuxHack3r: what have you done with it so far? |
| 21:46.35 | dob | b-man: an idea: the mer installer first downloads the .tar.gz onto the card with wget and then extracts it, right? How about checking if the user has curl installed, and if it exists, use it to pipe the .tar.gz straight to tar without having it hit the card at all? This way mer could be installed on smaller cards (I think it currently required just above 512 MB) |
| 21:46.36 | StOrM_NW | Jaffa_, nod |
| 21:46.50 | Stskeeps | dob: curl needs a way to pick up a transmission again then ideally |
| 21:46.50 | LinuxHack3r | sisto: Took it to school and connected to the network? |
| 21:47.00 | sisto | LinuxHack3r: did you one of those stupid "unboxing" videos? haha |
| 21:47.17 | b-man | dob: shure :) |
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| 21:48.04 | LinuxHack3r | sisto: Did I do it? No..should have though ;) |
| 21:48.05 | sisto | LinuxHack3r: congrats on the new toy! |
| 21:48.06 | b-man | allthough i'm not shure what curl is :p |
| 21:48.31 | jaem | btw, does Nokia have any particular policy on how they like to be mentioned on unofficial sites (e.g. blags) |
| 21:48.39 | sisto | LinuxHack3r: i'd watch it! haha |
| 21:48.44 | LinuxHack3r | sisto: Thanks...It's amazing. |
| 21:48.52 | Stskeeps | b-man: you know 'cat'? curl is "cat url" |
| 21:49.11 | b-man | oh |
| 21:49.45 | jaem | I'm just wondering, because I have known some companies to request certain conventions with regards to their TM's |
| 21:50.06 | Jaffa_ | jaem: Nah, Nokia haven't cared that much. |
| 21:50.15 | jaem | okay |
| 21:50.27 | jaem | just checking |
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| 21:50.28 | Stskeeps | yeah, some pretty radical things have been written once in a while :P |
| 21:50.38 | dob | Stskeeps: do you mean something like retry or something like wget --continue? |
| 21:50.46 | Stskeeps | dob: both i guess |
| 21:51.09 | Stskeeps | retry and continue until the whole stream has been catted |
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| 21:53.16 | wazd | Jaffa: would you mind if I'll try to remake current Mer wiki graphics?)\ |
| 21:53.18 | Stskeeps | watches his vmdk start up |
| 21:53.36 | dob | Stskeeps: there's retry in curl. Wouldn't it be almost the same as continue if you gave it an ~infinite number of retries? :) |
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| 21:53.45 | Stskeeps | dob: true |
| 21:54.18 | Stskeeps | wazd: btw we're now using "Droid sans" for our themes, if you want to adopt some of it for artwork |
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| 21:54.22 | Jaffa_ | wazd: I like my buttons, but I'm not convinced about the background - it's not quite turned out how I wanted. Although, I'm not precious. I can send you the Inkscape SVG file for the buttons if you want to hack on 'em |
| 21:54.22 | Stskeeps | (free font) |
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| 21:54.25 | dl9pf | hi ! |
| 21:54.26 | StOrM_NW | any site that explains how to configure kernel from source of maemo base kernel? ... i think i need to enable the CONFIG_BRIDGE ... i guess the official release doesnt provides CONFIG_BRIDGE as default, am i wrong? |
| 21:54.34 | gladiac | hi dl9pf |
| 21:54.50 | dl9pf | i' |
| 21:55.27 | dl9pf | i need some advice packaging for maemo/creating a debian package |
| 21:55.27 | Stskeeps | woo, my auto-vmdk'er works \o/ |
| 21:55.52 | dl9pf | atm i'm stuck creating the debian/control |
| 21:55.57 | wazd | Jaffa: no need, I can rebuild them easily :) |
| 21:56.17 | Jaffa_ | wazd: show off :-p |
| 21:56.24 | Jaffa_ | took me ages. I'll stick to coding. |
| 21:56.40 | dl9pf | probably i missed some values ... http://pastebin.com/m9314b9 |
| 21:56.40 | sisto | LinuxHack3r: does it have a good signal compared to a laptop? |
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| 21:57.09 | timelE61i | wAzd? |
| 21:57.25 | VDVsx | wonders why "af-sb-init" doesn't run in fremantle alpha sdk :( |
| 21:57.32 | Jaffa_ | Stskeeps: cool! |
| 21:57.33 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: no window manager probably |
| 21:57.43 | Stskeeps | Jaffa_: it's dirty dirty though and stolen |
| 21:57.55 | Jaffa_ | You mean "re-used" ;-) |
| 21:58.00 | Jaffa_ | And dirty's fine if it works. |
| 21:58.04 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, I started matchbox in backround |
| 21:58.05 | LinuxHack3r | sisto: Dunno..don't have one..but it seems good enough. |
| 21:58.10 | wazd | timelE61i: yes? |
| 21:58.41 | jaem | timeless: I got sidetracked, but I have a blag now |
| 21:58.48 | jaem | http://ffejery.wordpress.com/ |
| 21:58.51 | jaem | nothing there yet |
| 21:58.51 | sisto | LinuxHack3r: have you tried the gps? |
| 21:59.17 | timelE61i | So, you're the ui wizard? |
| 21:59.23 | Jaffa_ | jaem: if you have a 'maemo' category/tag, get it syndicated on planet.maemo.org |
| 21:59.30 | jaem | Jaffa: sure :D |
| 21:59.46 | wazd | timelE61i: sort of :) |
| 21:59.52 | jaem | lands his spaceship on Planet Maemo |
| 22:00.35 | LinuxHack3r | sisto: Nope..but did look at the maps. |
| 22:00.38 | LinuxHack3r | Very neat. |
| 22:00.44 | timelE61i | so... I mentioned to someone that the beos start ui is kinda ideal for our dimensions |
| 22:00.56 | jaem | LinuxHack3r: I'd recommend MaemoMapper |
| 22:01.19 | jaem | but you have to download your own maps with that app |
| 22:01.22 | jaem | so, OpenStreetMap |
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| 22:01.47 | LinuxHack3r | OpenStreetMap? |
| 22:01.51 | jaem | or, just "explore" Google Maps with "heavy caching" :P |
| 22:02.02 | sisto | LinuxHack3r: it includes maps already? didn't know that |
| 22:02.16 | jaem | the pre-installed Maps app does |
| 22:02.21 | jaem | but they're not very good |
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| 22:02.41 | timelE61i | the preinstalled maps are regional |
| 22:02.51 | wazd | timelE61i: haven't seen it |
| 22:02.54 | timelE61i | And calling them vectors is insulting to vectors |
| 22:03.12 | jaem | I agree |
| 22:03.13 | mavhc | they're better than google, which are bitmaps, and openstreetmaps, which are mostly missing |
| 22:03.17 | timelE61i | Wazd: if you have vmware, check out haiku |
| 22:03.42 | Stskeeps | checks youtube |
| 22:03.43 | jaem | timelE61i: I've been meaning to try Plan9 in a VM - have you ever used that? |
| 22:04.10 | timelE61i | i don't think so. I can't remember if i tried |
| 22:04.33 | LinuxHack3r | So..I cd'd to /usr/local/bin, and ln -s /home/user/Data/Scripts/Connect. So how come when I type connect it doesn't find it? |
| 22:04.33 | timelE61i | I've used quite a few os's including beos, qnx, os/2... |
| 22:04.38 | Stskeeps | wazd: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Rr811dphhs , around 0:30 |
| 22:04.48 | jaem | I saw some comment on the Interwebs somewhere, where someone was complaining that Linux was becoming too popular, and if it kept on, he'd have to switch to Plan9 to stay cool |
| 22:04.49 | jaem | lol |
| 22:05.07 | jaem | it was said tongue-in-cheek, of course |
| 22:05.30 | mavhc | wayfinder maps seem to be all straight lines, suppose that's easier to calculate, I've not yet worked out what I'd need to buy from their website to get portugal though |
| 22:05.42 | timelE61i | he could use hurd |
| 22:05.42 | jaem | it likely won't be cheap |
| 22:05.43 | Jaffa_ | LinuxHack3r: It's case sensitive. |
| 22:05.49 | wnd | jaem, you could also try debian gnu/hurd :-) |
| 22:06.02 | jaem | timelE61i: that reminds me - Stallman is coming to talk in my city |
| 22:06.03 | LinuxHack3r | Jaffa_: Oh..of course of course. I'll fool around with it later...mplayer for now! |
| 22:06.07 | jaem | it should be interesting |
| 22:06.17 | wazd | Stskeeps: It's pretty hard to understand what's going on if you don't know it :) |
| 22:06.28 | Stskeeps | wazd: yeah, ok, - it is icons lighting up as it boots up |
| 22:06.35 | wazd | Stskeeps: ah |
| 22:06.49 | timelE61i | wAzd: |
| 22:06.57 | wazd | timelE61i: got what you mean :) |
| 22:07.00 | timelE61i | Basically 5 indicators |
| 22:07.04 | timelE61i | One per category |
| 22:07.09 | jaem | that would be nice |
| 22:07.16 | timelE61i | If the boot fails, it stops at a light |
| 22:07.24 | jaem | I like splash screens, but feedback is nice too |
| 22:07.29 | jaem | that would be a good compromise |
| 22:07.29 | timelE61i | And you immediately have a general idea what's dead |
| 22:07.39 | timelE61i | There's also a debug mode |
| 22:07.40 | jaem | I think we should keep the progress bar, though |
| 22:07.47 | timelE61i | Where you get the lights + text |
| 22:08.39 | wazd | We could keep the progressbar and draw icons same time |
| 22:08.45 | timelE61i | Having watched this phone take a full minute to boot |
| 22:08.49 | wazd | Lets make some kind of ruller |
| 22:08.53 | timelE61i | Splash screens suck :) |
| 22:09.04 | mavhc | need to be able to press alt-f1 and see the normal linux loading text |
| 22:09.13 | dl9pf | any packaging expert here ? |
| 22:09.16 | timelE61i | - that was just 'til it wanted the sim code |
| 22:09.16 | jaem | TimelE61i: I meant in the sense that you were talking about |
| 22:09.22 | Jaffa_ | mavhc: tricky - where's alt? ;-) |
| 22:09.27 | Stskeeps | dl9pf: ask your question |
| 22:09.35 | timelE61i | jaffa: zoom in :) |
| 22:09.38 | Jaffa_ | dl9pf: if it's any consolation, the Council are currently interviewing people for the role of debmaster |
| 22:10.17 | mavhc | Jaffa_: it's only for advanced users who've replaced their keyboard |
| 22:10.17 | Jaffa_ | Quite right. Sod the newbies. |
| 22:10.17 | mavhc | where's f1? |
| 22:10.18 | timelE61i | seriously though, zoom in seems like a perfectly reasonable stroke at boot |
| 22:10.23 | Jaffa_ | mavhc: Touche |
| 22:10.57 | Stskeeps | Jaffa_: http://rafb.net/p/Iz5pEO82.html |
| 22:10.57 | timelE61i | (to turn on consolish boot output) |
| 22:11.18 | timelE61i | Dl9pf: control isn't hard to write |
| 22:11.20 | Jaffa_ | Stskeeps: mmm, comments ;-) |
| 22:11.29 | Stskeeps | Jaffa_: # MAGIC |
| 22:11.30 | dl9pf | Stskeeps: http://pastebin.com/m594832c6 <-- maybe i'm just not seeing the wood for the trees |
| 22:11.37 | timelE61i | Timeless.jusrtdave.net/maemo has a bunch of open source debs |
| 22:11.41 | timelE61i | Er |
| 22:11.48 | timelE61i | Timeless.justdave.net/maemo has a bunch of open source debs |
| 22:11.54 | Jaffa_ | Stskeeps: have a static vmx alongside it, or auto-generate that from the same script so it's self contained? |
| 22:12.34 | dl9pf | aah - now i'm a step further |
| 22:12.39 | timelE61i | Dl9pf, mxr.maemo.org/diablo/find?string=debian/control |
| 22:12.43 | timelE61i | Or /garage/ |
| 22:12.46 | Stskeeps | Jaffa_: you point a vmx to a vmdk, - but yes, just downloading a zip with .vmx and .vmdk could do the trick |
| 22:12.49 | timelE61i | For more examples |
| 22:12.57 | Jaffa_ | Stskeeps: indeed |
| 22:13.08 | dl9pf | timelE61i: tnx will look |
| 22:13.12 | Stskeeps | Jaffa_: but having a vmdk also enables people to load it in lets say, virtualbox :) but i guess that might have import feature to |
| 22:13.16 | Stskeeps | o |
| 22:13.34 | Jaffa_ | I think it's mostly disk, rather than vmx import. |
| 22:13.44 | timelE61i | Dl9pf: note that w/o "user/", your deb won't appear in h-a-m |
| 22:14.03 | dl9pf | ? |
| 22:14.07 | dl9pf | user/ ? |
| 22:14.16 | timelE61i | Also check w/ jaffa about proper section: values |
| 22:14.19 | dl9pf | aah ... section user/ ?? |
| 22:14.23 | Jaffa_ | dl9pf: correct. |
| 22:14.32 | dl9pf | good point |
| 22:14.42 | dl9pf | so e.g. section user/utils ? |
| 22:14.48 | Jaffa_ | See http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Package_Categories - the App Manager hides non-end user packages by checking for "user/" at the start of the Section. |
| 22:15.10 | timelE61i | Note that the first line of description is independent of the following lines |
| 22:15.20 | Jaffa_ | There's now a good list of all the categories one should use. Anything other than those will (at some point) appears in an "Other" category (which is bad ;-)) |
| 22:15.21 | timelE61i | You'll often see one or the other but not both |
| 22:15.49 | Jaffa_ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Package_categories sorry |
| 22:15.51 | dl9pf | user/utilities then |
| 22:16.00 | timelE61i | You probably want Depends: samba-something |
| 22:16.08 | timelE61i | Unless it's truly optional |
| 22:16.10 | Jaffa_ | dl9pf: what are you working on? |
| 22:16.28 | timelE61i | If it's optional, you want Suggests: |
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| 22:16.53 | dl9pf | packaging csync (www.csync.org) gladiac is the author, btw |
| 22:17.00 | gladiac | :) |
| 22:17.05 | timelE61i | You probably need a depends bit for iniparser too |
| 22:17.39 | timelE61i | Iirc there's a field for Upstream-maintainer: or something if you want to blame gladiac |
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| 22:17.57 | Jaffa_ | dl9pf: "user/utiltities" sounds best then |
| 22:18.04 | wazd | Jaffa: If i'll save Mer page's current code in the notepad - then I can restore it easily, right?) |
| 22:18.32 | Jaffa_ | wazd: or have a play in another page, and copy & paste it later. Then it won't be broken whilst you play. |
| 22:18.33 | Stskeeps | wazd: wiki also has history |
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| 22:18.45 | Jaffa_ | e.g. http://wiki.maemo.org/User:wazd/Sandbox/Mer |
| 22:19.16 | wazd | Jaffa_: whoa, nice!) |
| 22:19.24 | wazd | Jaffa_: thanks a lot) |
| 22:19.52 | timelE61i | http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/bugs-maemo-3591-0.1/DEBIAN/control - random example |
| 22:19.55 | sisto | LinuxHack3r: do you listen to podcasts? |
| 22:20.18 | timelE61i | Note that those debs are for bugs, so they're very custom and don't honor the section stuff |
| 22:20.30 | sisto | LinuxHack3r: you should try gpodder on the n810. |
| 22:20.38 | sisto | LinuxHack3r: if you do |
| 22:21.06 | dl9pf | gpodder is great, but painfully slow here :( |
| 22:21.18 | sisto | it's slow on maemo? |
| 22:21.45 | sisto | maybe it's because it was done in python |
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| 22:21.50 | Jaffa_ | dl9pf: if it's primarily used with remote filesystems, perhaps even user/networking |
| 22:22.14 | dl9pf | we can change that - just trying to make it build atm ;) |
| 22:22.24 | Jaffa_ | indeed :) |
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| 22:22.31 | dl9pf | either utilities or networking |
| 22:22.45 | sisto | dl9pf: you should file a bug report... bugs.gpodder.org |
| 22:23.01 | Jaffa_ | csync looks cool, actually. |
| 22:23.03 | dl9pf | sisto: will do |
| 22:23.19 | dl9pf | Jaffa_: will be ready and installable as soon as it builds here ;) |
| 22:23.25 | dl9pf | al dependencies are already done |
| 22:23.35 | sisto | dl9pf: thanks! pls try to be specific as to when it slows down |
| 22:23.40 | Jaffa_ | needs to fix his vim build in a minute |
| 22:23.47 | timelE61i | i think networking sounds right |
| 22:24.17 | Jaffa_ | Sorry, user/network |
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| 22:24.25 | Jaffa_ | checks his own table, again |
| 22:25.05 | timelE61i | i meant v. Utils |
| 22:25.16 | dl9pf | control looks now: http://pastebin.com/m58738844 |
| 22:25.19 | timelE61i | already pointed to jaffa re spelling |
| 22:25.43 | dl9pf | sigh missed on section entry ... |
| 22:25.46 | Jaffa_ | said "networking" too :) |
| 22:26.00 | timelE61i | oh hrr |
| 22:26.11 | timelE61i | You might not need those depends bit |
| 22:26.20 | timelE61i | It depends on whether shlibsdeps works |
| 22:26.44 | timelE61i | If you're building, try w/o and check the resulting file |
| 22:26.59 | timelE61i | Sorry, i'm used to writing control files from scratch |
| 22:27.02 | dl9pf | ok |
| 22:27.13 | timelE61i | And building debs w/ dpkg-deb |
| 22:27.22 | timelE61i | But you won't do that |
| 22:27.30 | mavhc | gpodder seemed to use up loads of ram when I tried it, I switched to a combination of canola and videocenter |
| 22:28.20 | timelE61i | I suspect section doesn't belong in the source package thing |
| 22:28.29 | timelE61i | Similarly for priority |
| 22:28.51 | timelE61i | They should be related to "'binary"' |
| 22:29.16 | timelE61i | Definitely check out some samples from /diablo/ or /garage/ |
| 22:29.36 | dl9pf | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html only recommended - will read other files |
| 22:29.41 | timelE61i | mxr.maemo.org/garage/find?string=debian/control |
| 22:29.42 | dl9pf | thx for the mxr link |
| 22:29.51 | dl9pf | thats what i need to get used to it |
| 22:31.33 | timelE61i | these are all hand typed btw |
| 22:31.52 | timelE61i | They're very predictable, but the ui lets you build your own :) |
| 22:31.53 | Stskeeps | Jaffa_: http://rafb.net/p/MSpPIV66.html |
| 22:32.11 | Stskeeps | (tar.gz is the filesystem) |
| 22:32.19 | Stskeeps | vmdk is an actual ext3 fs |
| 22:32.49 | timelE61i | Come on guys, get it to fit into 128m ; |
| 22:32.51 | wazd | Wiki engine is pretty impressive, I think I can craft something cool there :) |
| 22:32.52 | timelE61i | ;) |
| 22:32.55 | Stskeeps | timelE61i: on x86? :P |
| 22:33.00 | timelE61i | Arm |
| 22:33.06 | timelE61i | That's my card size :) |
| 22:33.11 | Stskeeps | timelE61i: hehe. :P |
| 22:33.14 | timelE61i | It came w/ my n800 |
| 22:33.32 | timelE61i | (it's the only one i can find) |
| 22:33.34 | Stskeeps | the 'sardine' distribution was referring to the size of sardine cans, wasn't it.. |
| 22:33.35 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 22:33.57 | timelE61i | I don't think so |
| 22:34.09 | timelE61i | More to the fact that things were canned and smelly |
| 22:34.23 | Jaffa_ | wazd: hopefully some of the tricks I've used already will help you :) |
| 22:34.25 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 22:34.33 | timelE61i | The idea was that it'd be an unstable |
| 22:34.45 | timelE61i | A way to push things for testing as a rolling target |
| 22:35.00 | jaem | does anyone have any idea what the approximate shipping weight of the N810 is? I don't have a scale handy |
| 22:35.22 | Jaffa_ | Stskeeps: That is very cool. |
| 22:35.45 | Stskeeps | Jaffa_: better than the %%"!# 500mb side of the old vdi |
| 22:35.47 | Stskeeps | size |
| 22:36.17 | wazd | Jaffa_: sure! Your template was best tutorial I ever found) |
| 22:37.01 | wazd | Jaffa_: And I like your buttons too :) |
| 22:37.13 | b-man | Stskeeps: dum question; could i make those diffs using dpkg?, if so, how? |
| 22:37.21 | timelE61i | jAffa? |
| 22:37.24 | Jaffa_ | wazd: flattery'll get you anywhere |
| 22:37.33 | Jaffa_ | tImelE61i? |
| 22:37.44 | timelE61i | do we have any os2007 devices around? |
| 22:38.03 | timelE61i | I want to know if snooze time was adjustable |
| 22:38.14 | Jaffa_ | In Clock? |
| 22:38.35 | Jaffa_ | doesn't have any available to him. Can't remember either. It rings a vague bell (no pun intended), but I'm in no way sure |
| 22:38.47 | timelE61i | yeah |
| 22:38.52 | timelE61i | A user filed a bug |
| 22:38.58 | Stskeeps | b-man: you in ubuntu doing it or? |
| 22:39.02 | timelE61i | And i think andre__ misinterpretted it |
| 22:39.07 | timelE61i | The bug report sucked |
| 22:39.14 | timelE61i | So it's hard to be certain |
| 22:39.33 | Jaffa_ | #? |
| 22:39.41 | b-man | atm, i'm in a chroot, but i could boot into it at any time ;) |
| 22:39.58 | andre__ | reads the backlog |
| 22:40.13 | timelE61i | aNdre__: my guess is the reporter of 4007(?) meant a way to control the snooze time when the alarm reads |
| 22:40.16 | timelE61i | Err rings |
| 22:40.23 | andre__ | no idea if snooze was adjustable in os2007 |
| 22:40.32 | andre__ | seems it will be available again in harmattan... |
| 22:40.32 | timelE61i | The ui i know of (having translated it for 2008) |
| 22:40.40 | timelE61i | Is for the clock app |
| 22:40.56 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, I'm quite certain it wasn't. |
| 22:40.58 | timelE61i | And controls a default(fixed) time for the snooze button when it rings |
| 22:41.23 | timelE61i | But my guess is the user wanted to control how long the ringing alarm snoozed |
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| 22:41.39 | lardman | evening all |
| 22:41.45 | timelE61i | Not sure. I'll check swift when i vpn to see what strings 2007 had |
| 22:41.45 | woglinde | hi lardman |
| 22:41.47 | b-man | trys googling for a diff guide |
| 22:41.53 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, excellent timing. :P |
| 22:42.00 | timelE61i | Diff -upN |
| 22:42.02 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: good or bad? |
| 22:42.07 | timelE61i | (dead tv net) |
| 22:42.09 | Jaffa_ | Hard. |
| 22:42.44 | Stskeeps | b-man: diff -ruN |
| 22:42.50 | Stskeeps | b-man: diff -ruN dir1 dir2 |
| 22:42.51 | andre__ | timelE61i, well he filed 4006 and 4007 |
| 22:43.06 | b-man | Stskeeps: thanks |
| 22:43.14 | lardman | thanks Jaffa_ |
| 22:43.17 | timelE61i | Andre: looking (low battery) |
| 22:43.17 | lardman | re email |
| 22:43.49 | timelE61i | Andre: ui team sucks |
| 22:43.53 | andre__ | the other one is that he wanted to have the alarm repeating more than 4 times if he simply ignores the alarm |
| 22:44.07 | andre__ | not only UI team :-P |
| 22:44.30 | GeneralAntilles | Also: andre__ :P |
| 22:44.38 | timelE61i | He's right |
| 22:44.45 | timelE61i | Wait |
| 22:44.45 | timelE61i | sTupid q |
| 22:44.46 | dob | are the /media/mmc* dirs supposed to exist if there's no card installed? |
| 22:44.48 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles: I can suck too, correct. :-P |
| 22:44.58 | timelE61i | What's the dialog say the 4th time? |
| 22:45.08 | timelE61i | Is one button "snooze"? |
| 22:45.19 | andre__ | yes. it's still the same dialog from the very first time |
| 22:45.23 | andre__ | because user did not touch the device |
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| 22:45.42 | timelE61i | Oh |
| 22:45.51 | timelE61i | This isn't snooze x4 |
| 22:45.58 | timelE61i | It's ignore x4 |
| 22:46.03 | andre__ | no, it's the "i stay in my bed and ignore everything" usecase |
| 22:46.17 | lardman | well even if I do say so myself, ssvb's sbc patches do sound much better |
| 22:46.19 | timelE61i | After 4 it should auto-snooze |
| 22:46.38 | andre__ | it did autosnooze 4 times before |
| 22:46.48 | andre__ | (or 3 times, to be correct) |
| 22:46.54 | timelE61i | wait |
| 22:47.01 | timelE61i | What's the ring interval? |
| 22:47.04 | timelE61i | 5mins? |
| 22:47.05 | andre__ | 10min iirc |
| 22:47.12 | andre__ | dunno, it's in the spec |
| 22:47.17 | andre__ | i think it was 10 |
| 22:47.23 | timelE61i | It's configurable in the ui |
| 22:47.28 | andre__ | yeah, in fremantle |
| 22:47.30 | andre__ | but not in diablo |
| 22:47.32 | timelE61i | no |
| 22:47.37 | andre__ | uh? |
| 22:47.48 | timelE61i | I was translating diablo strings earlier this week |
| 22:48.08 | timelE61i | App menu, alarms, set snooze something iirc |
| 22:48.19 | johnx | oooh, tipped off about fremantle features *runs to blog it* |
| 22:48.31 | andre__ | timelE61i, uh, you are right |
| 22:48.34 | andre__ | it's in diablo |
| 22:48.45 | Jaffa_ | johnx: the world'll be alight with the changes to the snooze functionality |
| 22:48.46 | x29a | hm, adding my passwords to the dictionary is not so smart |
| 22:48.49 | timelE61i | I translated it this week ;) |
| 22:48.56 | andre__ | johnx, that's absolutely no news, sorry :-P |
| 22:48.57 | Stskeeps | x29a: webkit? |
| 22:49.02 | radic_ | argh |
| 22:49.04 | timelE61i | My memory for bad strings is pretty good :) |
| 22:49.12 | andre__ | hehe |
| 22:49.13 | timelE61i | I didn't like them |
| 22:49.15 | radic_ | my USB-cables are too long |
| 22:49.15 | x29a | Stskeeps: dunno, the thing that normally propouses words |
| 22:49.16 | RST38h | johnx: url! url! |
| 22:49.27 | dob | bleh, no opentyrian in repos? :C |
| 22:49.34 | timelE61i | So, again |
| 22:49.40 | radic_ | only the high-quality cable works |
| 22:49.41 | timelE61i | What did the user want |
| 22:49.50 | Stskeeps | dob: did we establish if your MMC was fried or not btw? |
| 22:49.51 | timelE61i | Was the help bad? |
| 22:50.02 | radic_ | on the others my hub disconnects and connects... |
| 22:50.20 | timelE61i | Find out what os he was using |
| 22:50.27 | timelE61i | And what he really wanted |
| 22:50.29 | andre__ | crap. time to change the bug report to invalid then, if the feature already exists :-P |
| 22:50.32 | johnx | x29a, all we need now is a nice button to upload the dictionary to a script kiddie forum :) |
| 22:50.32 | dob | Stskeeps: nope, I'll try to see if I can borrow a card to test some day |
| 22:50.35 | Stskeeps | dob: alright |
| 22:50.41 | andre__ | i think he simply did not find that setting |
| 22:51.03 | timelE61i | Find out if he checked help |
| 22:51.10 | x29a | johnx: i bet (like steve jobs) you guys have some backdoords and listeners |
| 22:51.22 | x29a | i dont wonna know what my N810 is quietly doing, while im asleep |
| 22:51.23 | andre__ | but real men never read the help files! ;-) |
| 22:51.29 | timelE61i | Keep in mind that if neither he nor you can find the feasture |
| 22:51.34 | timelE61i | It doesn't exist |
| 22:51.36 | johnx | x29a, idling :P |
| 22:51.38 | timelE61i | And is buggy |
| 22:51.50 | b-man | doesn't understand why diff doesn't see /usr/libexec/deb/merinstaller_1.9.3-1mer1 :( |
| 22:51.52 | x29a | johnx: thats what the media try to tell me, im not a believer! |
| 22:52.02 | timelE61i | One should not need to translaste a device to figure out how to use it |
| 22:52.38 | lardman | Stskeeps: I understand there's no audio in Mer? |
| 22:52.43 | radic_ | Stskeeps: will the MSI USB-stick work if I connect it to the N800? |
| 22:52.48 | Stskeeps | johnx: now building automatically: x86, x86 VMDK, x86 rootstrap (+ apt-proxy using rootstrap), armel-rootstrap (SB, builder SB, general buildd), 770, n800, n8x0 :P |
| 22:52.50 | johnx | lardman, correct for now, but a2dp works great |
| 22:52.57 | Stskeeps | it does? |
| 22:53.05 | lardman | johnx: is that from bluez 4.xx? |
| 22:53.12 | radic_ | Stskeeps: I don't know |
| 22:53.15 | Stskeeps | lardman: but yes, no audio atm |
| 22:53.18 | Stskeeps | radic_: i have utter no idea |
| 22:53.24 | lardman | Stskeeps: why's that? |
| 22:53.32 | Stskeeps | lardman: i thought you need DSP tasks for it? |
| 22:53.42 | johnx | lardman, whatever's in ubuntu 9.04. works fine, but it's ~40% CPU usage for decoding. not sure what CPU speed that was |
| 22:53.44 | lardman | well that answers the question then :) |
| 22:53.52 | johnx | Stskeeps, is that the new build order if I type build foo? |
| 22:54.06 | lardman | johnx: hmm, sounds a bit high, but I guess libmad + sbc would do that |
| 22:54.09 | Stskeeps | johnx: heheh, no |
| 22:54.12 | Stskeeps | lardman: https://wiki.maemo.org/User:Stskeeps/Sandbox/Nokia_Wishlist |
| 22:54.23 | Stskeeps | lardman: you probably know more about 770 and other things that could be useful to have |
| 22:54.25 | timelE61i | dsp is afaiu always optional |
| 22:54.29 | lardman | Stskeeps: I was wondering if the ARM-side kernel driver for the audio codec was being used |
| 22:54.40 | Stskeeps | lardman: diablo kernel, didn't touch arm-side one yet :P |
| 22:54.54 | lardman | timelE61i: nah, it does the mixing & output on the standard machines |
| 22:55.07 | lardman | Stskeeps: ah, ok, cool |
| 22:55.18 | Stskeeps | lardman: we do need work in the sound area so experiments are welcome |
| 22:55.18 | timelE61i | i mean technically |
| 22:55.36 | lardman | well yes it's possible, needs the kernel driver though |
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| 22:56.28 | lardman | looks around for a spare card onto which to install Mer |
| 22:57.11 | Jaffa_ | offs, cash machine & beddingly. |
| 22:57.14 | johnx | timelE61i, yes, true from a hardware perspective. |
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| 23:00.07 | lardman | hmm, would you believe I have a USB-SD adaptor that won't read SD cards >1GB correctly? |
| 23:00.09 | lardman | rubbish |
| 23:00.26 | lcuk | ummm, if i have a memory card thats giving errors (it crashed and a few files are just unreadable or deleteable) |
| 23:00.44 | lcuk | what do i do to the filesystem to make it better? (chkdsk) |
| 23:01.18 | lardman | try another card reader - I thought I'd lost all my photos from Oz, but it was the bloody reader - as soon as I stuck it in the n800 they were all there |
| 23:01.37 | lardman | lcuk: Windows or Linux? |
| 23:01.40 | lcuk | ive not lost anything |
| 23:01.50 | lcuk | its locked on the .o files and nothing can remove or delete them |
| 23:01.54 | lcuk | on device |
| 23:01.56 | lcuk | linux |
| 23:02.00 | lardman | well I had the same, could see the files but not read them, they all appeared to be truncated |
| 23:02.08 | lardman | hmm |
| 23:02.10 | lardman | fsck |
| 23:02.11 | lcuk | yeah, bad chains or whatnot |
| 23:02.28 | lcuk | no need to swear, but i just tried that its not found |
| 23:02.32 | lardman | umount it, then run fsck on the device (partition) |
| 23:02.50 | johnx | lcuk, rootsh fsck /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 23:03.20 | lcuk | fsck: No such file or directory |
| 23:03.32 | lcuk | how do i find out what fs it is (its not the FAT one) |
| 23:03.39 | lardman | fdisk |
| 23:03.47 | lardman | on the drive, not the device |
| 23:03.54 | johnx | lcuk, are you root? |
| 23:03.55 | lcuk | not found, im on 810 here |
| 23:03.58 | lcuk | yeah |
| 23:04.02 | lardman | hmm |
| 23:04.20 | lardman | try giving an explicit path to the binary, either /usr/sbin or /sbin |
| 23:04.45 | lardman | oh no, not there either |
| 23:04.48 | radic_ | I disabled the transparent mouse-courser and connectet my Logitech MX500 to an active hub |
| 23:04.56 | radic_ | but it dosn_t works |
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| 23:05.13 | johnx | radic_, in mer or maemo? |
| 23:05.27 | lardman | lcuk: is it ext2 the fs? |
| 23:05.35 | radic_ | johnx: on my N800 |
| 23:05.37 | lcuk | i dunno |
| 23:05.41 | lcuk | likely |
| 23:05.54 | radic_ | johnx: mous is detected |
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| 23:06.54 | johnx | lcuk, try becoming root first then type just 'fsck' |
| 23:07.26 | lcuk | i am root |
| 23:08.07 | lcuk | installing e2fslibs |
| 23:08.17 | Stskeeps | e2fsprogs |
| 23:08.23 | lcuk | :) ta |
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| 23:09.30 | lardman | re |
| 23:09.30 | johnx | ah! dur...fsck saying not found, not bash saying not found |
| 23:09.34 | *** part/#maemo LinuxHack3r (n=matt@68-114-163-167.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) |
| 23:09.36 | lcuk | johnx, you said "fsck /dev/mmcblk0p1" is that for mmc1 or 2 - its my external removable card |
| 23:09.37 | johnx | need more coffee |
| 23:09.52 | lardman | I can't seem to find fdisk in the repo, but e2fsprogs and dosfstools should sort the fsck stuff for both ext2 and vfat |
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| 23:10.12 | lcuk | lardman, i have e2fsprogs thanks :) |
| 23:10.17 | lardman | lcuk: blk0 = 1st card |
| 23:10.25 | lcuk | started to find it but was guided home by Stskeeps :D |
| 23:10.28 | lardman | sorry, missed some stuff when my connection timed out |
| 23:10.44 | lardman | though 1st card is not necessarily mmc1 |
| 23:10.48 | lardman | look at mount output |
| 23:11.16 | FireFox | lardman: i believe e2fsprogs provides fsdisk ;) |
| 23:11.25 | FireFox | re: sfdisk |
| 23:11.31 | lardman | FireFox: cool, thanks |
| 23:11.56 | gladiac | util-linux |
| 23:12.01 | johnx | lcuk, as silly as this is: mmcblk0 -> internal -> /media/mmc2. mmcblk1 -> external -> /media/mmc1 |
| 23:12.03 | gladiac | provides fdisk |
| 23:12.16 | johnx | also, sfdisk is included on the tablet |
| 23:12.24 | jaem | @x29a's comment about passwords, how does one reset the Maemo autosuggest list? |
| 23:12.25 | johnx | sfdisk -l /dev/mmcblk? will give you a list |
| 23:13.02 | x29a | jaem: intresting point |
| 23:13.20 | lcuk | /dev/mmcblk1p1: ***** FILE SYSTEM WAS MODIFIED ***** |
| 23:13.20 | lcuk | /dev/mmcblk1p1: 7900/124160 files (3.4% non-contiguous), 136070/247998 blocks |
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| 23:13.21 | lardman | jaem: iirc somewhere under control panel |
| 23:13.30 | lcuk | that was after about 400 different things |
| 23:13.41 | jaem | lardman: really? I couldn't find it |
| 23:13.48 | Stskeeps | jaem: tap and hold the word |
| 23:13.49 | radic_ | hm |
| 23:13.50 | Stskeeps | and click remove |
| 23:14.08 | lcuk | if i reboot it will remount everything wont it |
| 23:14.13 | jaem | Stskeeps: >< *so* intuitive |
| 23:14.20 | radic_ | If I move the mouse the screen is going on... |
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| 23:14.25 | Stskeeps | jaem: tips and tricks |
| 23:14.35 | Stskeeps | radic_: there's a guide about mice support somewhere on iTT |
| 23:14.36 | Stskeeps | i think |
| 23:14.54 | johnx | radic_, I believe xomap doesn't support it directly or similar |
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| 23:14.56 | radic_ | Stskeeps: iTT? |
| 23:15.04 | lardman | ~itt |
| 23:15.05 | infobot | methinks itt is the forums on internettablettalk.com ( http://internettablettalk.com/forums ) |
| 23:15.49 | lcuk | phew! thank you guys |
| 23:16.14 | johnx | Stskeeps, just read your jaiku about supported systems. I get it now :) |
| 23:16.26 | x29a | Stskeeps: will the word be removed ore removed and blocked? |
| 23:16.34 | Stskeeps | x29a: removed i think |
| 23:16.41 | Stskeeps | johnx: hehe. it's a giant list of images :P |
| 23:16.42 | x29a | hm |
| 23:16.46 | Stskeeps | some of them are internal only |
| 23:16.46 | lcuk | note to self: rotated xv is unstable in diablo |
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| 23:17.38 | lardman | hmm, after a great start, a2dp is not sounding so great :( |
| 23:17.44 | johnx | Stskeeps, I need to work on imager for zaurus. One image sill support: zauruses c750, c760, c860, c1000, c3000, c3100 and c32000 more or less |
| 23:17.56 | Stskeeps | johnx: alright |
| 23:18.11 | johnx | at least I have an x server for it building now |
| 23:18.19 | ds3 | remember the poor collie that started it! |
| 23:18.36 | johnx | ds3, I know :( I still have mine, but I think mer on the collie is a lost cause |
| 23:18.58 | ds3 | johnx: what is the issue? ARMv4? |
| 23:19.06 | lardman | lack of RAM I expect |
| 23:19.16 | lardman | 16MB doesn't really cut it these days |
| 23:19.18 | johnx | lardman, nah, 64MB of RAM for most collies |
| 23:19.22 | lardman | ah, true |
| 23:19.23 | ds3 | 64M no good? |
| 23:19.29 | ds3 | 32M were in the demo give aways |
| 23:19.33 | lardman | mine included, I just haven't seen it for a long while |
| 23:19.50 | x29a | johnx: why not collie? |
| 23:19.54 | lardman | ah well ignore me, I forgot it wasn't that bad :) |
| 23:20.01 | johnx | ds3, combination of armv4 (no EABI support), 320x240 screen, limited hardware support in 2.6 |
| 23:20.15 | x29a | lol, sorry for my laggy question |
| 23:20.21 | johnx | and that screen is really 240x320 |
| 23:20.21 | woglinde | gcc-4.4 will have ebai support for armv4 |
| 23:20.48 | johnx | even if we got everything running on debian etch ARM OABI I don't see many apps being usable at 240x320 |
| 23:20.52 | ds3 | the EABI part I can understand... the rest is jjust mere work ;) |
| 23:20.56 | johnx | better to stick with GPE or Opie |
| 23:21.20 | johnx | ds3, if you want to look at it I would be more than happy to help and give guidance |
| 23:21.25 | lcuk | book reader would be usable at 240*320 |
| 23:21.29 | lcuk | sketching |
| 23:21.34 | jaem | johnx: have you tried running QTopia on Zaurii or Palms? |
| 23:21.35 | lcuk | map for some things |
| 23:21.37 | lcuk | pictures |
| 23:21.42 | lcuk | calendar |
| 23:21.45 | lcuk | even rss |
| 23:21.46 | johnx | lcuk, and it is...already :P |
| 23:21.48 | jaem | Opie is unmaintained, and incomplete |
| 23:21.50 | wazd | hmm, seems like background options are disabled in Maemo Wiki :( |
| 23:21.51 | woglinde | jaem its qt-extened now |
| 23:21.52 | lcuk | :) lots of things dont need mega resolution |
| 23:21.56 | ds3 | johnx: I normally would but right now, that falls behind beagle board projects :/ |
| 23:21.59 | radic_ | I think I need some sleep |
| 23:22.01 | jaem | woglinde: yes - thinko |
| 23:22.02 | lcuk | yeah johnx |
| 23:22.29 | radic_ | I tried to put the N800 charger into an USB-bluetooth-stick |
| 23:22.30 | Stskeeps | ds3: if you have beagleboard, get ubuntu jaunty + kernel going, and you have Mer, too ;) |
| 23:22.33 | ds3 | cuz another device that'd be ideal is the Jornada's |
| 23:22.44 | johnx | ds3, exactly. I don't think overcommitting is a good idea right now |
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| 23:22.53 | ds3 | Stskeeps: why ubuntu? |
| 23:23.06 | johnx | ds3, modern, stable distro, and upstart |
| 23:23.10 | ds3 | the issue with the beagleboard is it lacks a standard display and touch screen |
| 23:23.17 | radic_ | sibbe: what's .uy for a country? |
| 23:23.21 | ds3 | johnx: I don't believe in distros |
| 23:23.30 | radic_ | sisto: what's .uy for a country? |
| 23:23.31 | Stskeeps | ds3: basis of mer, so :P |
| 23:23.32 | ds3 | UY == URUGUAY |
| 23:23.38 | radic_ | ahh |
| 23:23.49 | johnx | ds3, soooo...you role your own every new install? |
| 23:23.52 | ds3 | Stskeeps: oh :( thought it was just a userland |
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| 23:23.59 | ds3 | johnx: actually, yes |
| 23:24.08 | johnx | bootstrap a compiler on a running system, then copy files over? |
| 23:24.23 | ds3 | pretty close to it... use whatever CD, etc I can boot off as a root disk and go from there |
| 23:24.40 | ds3 | it is way less painful then dealing with packages (nightmare getting stuff on the eeePC this weekend) |
| 23:24.47 | johnx | jeez. every time you get a new laptop or desktop? |
| 23:25.06 | lardman | needs tweezers to remove the micro SD card from the n810 |
| 23:25.09 | ds3 | yes, the eeePC is an experiment in see what I have to compromise to use the included distro |
| 23:25.16 | ds3 | in seeing... |
| 23:25.23 | jaem | lardman: click it with the butt of the stylus |
| 23:25.25 | jaem | that works well |
| 23:25.26 | lcuk | lol lardman, dont you press it and it pings |
| 23:25.39 | lardman | yeah, didn't ping out enough |
| 23:25.39 | johnx | anyways, if you're that serious, just take our debian source packages and compile them. There's not all that much that's terrbily ubuntu-centric |
| 23:25.48 | johnx | it's just that we only provide packages for ubuntu |
| 23:26.00 | lcuk | click it in again and try again - you are going for the overzealous toaster impression |
| 23:26.01 | ds3 | johnx: of course, my desktop was last built with SLS as the root disk |
| 23:26.13 | johnx | O_o; wow |
| 23:26.29 | ds3 | if I weren't in beagle land right now, I'd do exact that |
| 23:26.31 | jaem | say, why don't we redo Mer based on Gentoo? |
| 23:26.41 | jaem | *not serious* |
| 23:26.41 | ds3 | download source deb's, ar x,and untar |
| 23:26.42 | Stskeeps | jaem: how about you try compiling GTK over 3 days.. |
| 23:26.43 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 23:26.44 | lardman | urgh |
| 23:26.54 | johnx | jaem, stab, stab, stab :P |
| 23:27.00 | lardman | :) +10 |
| 23:27.06 | jaem | everybody loves compiling |
| 23:27.09 | lardman | nothing personal of course |
| 23:27.20 | lcuk | only their personal little bit of compiling though |
| 23:27.22 | ds3 | the last usable system for the N800, IMO is Chinook |
| 23:27.25 | johnx | jaem, actually I never tried qt-extended on the collie. I might later |
| 23:27.38 | ds3 | so I am really longing for another usable OS |
| 23:27.55 | johnx | ds3, what's your biggest complaint against diablo? |
| 23:28.04 | jaem | johnx: I have a Palm Zire 72 sitting around - do you know what sort of resources qt-extended needs? |
| 23:28.05 | lcuk | thinks mer can be nice and stable and shaking the cobwebs out of the corner can only be a good thing |
| 23:28.36 | ds3 | johnx: it doesn't work with the things that worked in chinook |
| 23:28.39 | Stskeeps | lcuk: it's not cobwebs only. it's freaking mutant spiders. |
| 23:28.47 | johnx | Stskeeps++ |
| 23:28.53 | jaem | like... spiderman? |
| 23:28.57 | lardman | grabs the BFG |
| 23:29.04 | lcuk | :) |
| 23:29.10 | ds3 | Bluetooth KB for me is broq, Network masks w/static IP's is broq, the mail program included is broq (looses mail) |
| 23:29.16 | ds3 | there were others but that's what I remember right now |
| 23:30.11 | johnx | ds3, well, on a sytem level this will be closer to ubuntu, so bt keyboard and netmasks will likely be fixed. For mail client: use anything that runs on ARM |
| 23:30.26 | johnx | also: compiling for it or on it should be much simpler |
| 23:30.45 | ds3 | johnx: I am using claws on Chinook at the moment... so that can be worked around... it is the rest that pissed me off |
| 23:30.49 | johnx | actually, it would be a good bootstrapping system if you wanted to jump off into LFS or similar |
| 23:31.16 | ds3 | if PM works well, I might loaded on the 770 as a test platform |
| 23:31.52 | lcuk | johnx :) +1 compiling, it needs to be able to handle "./configure" as a priority :) theres 90% of code i cannot even touch yet even if i want to |
| 23:32.19 | johnx | lcuk, already done :P now why are you still on maemo? |
| 23:32.31 | ds3 | Nooooooo not configure, use a config.h file please! |
| 23:32.36 | ds3 | and chuck libtool |
| 23:32.40 | lcuk | i have a single 1gb mmc |
| 23:32.44 | lcuk | it hosts liqbase :) |
| 23:32.45 | Stskeeps | libtool needs to die, no question about that |
| 23:32.46 | t_s_o | heh, seems i have been using echowb so long that i have missed (or forgotten) that modest has a big scrollbar now |
| 23:33.02 | woglinde | I like libtool |
| 23:33.07 | lcuk | i dont need to compile anything yet - but very soon i will, im being annoyed by xv and rotation |
| 23:33.08 | johnx | ds3, we use whatever is available. we're not out to reinvent a packaging / build system :P |
| 23:33.19 | ds3 | woglinde: do you cross compile? |
| 23:33.23 | lcuk | when will mer have the fremantle kernel and stuff? |
| 23:33.25 | woglinde | sure |
| 23:33.38 | ds3 | johnx: *nod* |
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| 23:33.54 | woglinde | the other compilesystem arent better |
| 23:34.00 | t_s_o | to bad it seems one cant use dbus-switchboard to control what programs gets used for the bookmarks in the quick menu... |
| 23:34.24 | johnx | lcuk, uhm, never? |
| 23:35.04 | lcuk | ahhh the kernel is tied to the hardware? |
| 23:35.23 | johnx | lcuk, if the 770 -> N8x0 transition is anything to go by, 2.6.21 is the last Nokia kernel for the N8x0. We'll have a more modern kernel from the linux-omap branch...eventually |
| 23:36.24 | lcuk | mm |
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| 23:36.55 | lcuk | but havent they released a new kernel? isnt that what everyone was wetting themselves over re rx-51? |
| 23:37.15 | johnx | lcuk, yeah, they released all sorts of kernel support for the RX-51 OMAP3 |
| 23:37.38 | lardman | hmm, what else do I need to insmod to get ext2.ko to go in? |
| 23:37.38 | johnx | and in that case, it looks like more will end up upstream than with the kernels for OMAP1 or OMAP2 |
| 23:38.14 | johnx | lardman, mbcache and ... something else |
| 23:38.23 | lardman | thanks |
| 23:38.34 | lardman | that was enough |
| 23:39.07 | lcuk | ok johnx, i just thought the new one was gonna be used. im dreading having to go into the innards of xv and x11 to see what the problem is (i need a sane build system first before i can even try) |
| 23:40.19 | lcuk | is pleased though because he *can* go and try to solve problem |
| 23:40.23 | johnx | hmm? what problem? |
| 23:40.30 | lcuk | today i used wine to solve a windows problem |
| 23:40.30 | lardman | bootmenu installation didn't ask me the questions detailed here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.6#Nokia_N8x0_-_Installer_files_.28simple.29 |
| 23:40.43 | lardman | lol |
| 23:40.50 | johnx | lardman, did it ask anything or just briefly appear and disappear? |
| 23:41.00 | johnx | lcuk, awesome :D |
| 23:41.02 | lcuk | johnx, using rotation on xv causes an x11 bailout |
| 23:41.16 | lardman | johnx: it asked where I wanted to install the shortcut - I said Utilities |
| 23:41.39 | johnx | lardman, what happens when you run from that shortcut |
| 23:41.52 | johnx | it's two stages: install deb, then launch from menu and install bootmenu |
| 23:41.56 | lardman | ah, that I've not tried yet, instructions need modification in that case |
| 23:42.26 | sisto | radic_: uruguay |
| 23:43.20 | x29a | lol |
| 23:43.34 | x29a | *simpsons scene jumps in my mind* |
| 23:44.04 | johnx | lardman, fixed the instructions a little bit :) |
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| 23:44.19 | lardman | good stuff :) |
| 23:44.31 | sisto | x29a: haha |
| 23:44.35 | sisto | i saw it |
| 23:44.52 | lopz | hey! |
| 23:46.05 | lardman | I've just changed it too |
| 23:46.48 | johnx | fixes punctuation |
| 23:47.07 | johnx | my own, that is. :) |
| 23:47.13 | StsN800 | also current installer dies after passwd setup. run sudo gainroot, refresh_bootmenu.d after that |
| 23:47.24 | lardman | :) I was wondering what I'd got wrong |
| 23:54.16 | lardman | annoying the way dpkg remembers failed installs |
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| 23:55.20 | LinuxHack3r | I just tried the mail program thing...it's ok. Is there something more though, in terms of a better imapclient? |
| 23:55.53 | johnx | claws mail |
| 23:56.27 | LinuxHack3r | johnx: I was under the impression that that is what I was using...but perhaps not. I was using whatever is installed by default. |
| 23:56.47 | johnx | modest is in by default |
| 23:56.58 | johnx | claws is a more traditional, full featured client |
| 23:57.14 | LinuxHack3r | johnx: Is it closer to thunderbird? |
| 23:57.37 | lardman | Stskeeps: nice installer |
| 23:57.43 | johnx | LinuxHack3r, I would say yes |
| 23:57.57 | LinuxHack3r | Great...lets give it a try. |
| 23:58.32 | woglinde | good nite |
| 23:58.39 | johnx | 'night woglinde |
| 23:58.41 | StsN800 | lardman, b-man did it |
| 23:58.41 | lardman | night woglinde |
| 23:58.45 | LinuxHack3r | johnx: *Oh good...I thought claws crashed...but it's just the setup wizard! |
| 23:58.56 | FireFox | makes a mental note to not use FireFox as a user name at #ubuntu :p |
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| 23:59.31 | lardman | lol @FireFox |
