IRC log for #maemo on 20090123

00:00.10fireunbut thats going to have to wait, I have a paper outline due in two hours and I havnt even started it.
00:00.25fireungotta embrace procrastination
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00:01.27sisto1fireun: here's a how to for android maemo dual boot: http://www.android-review.com/news/Android-Running-on-Nokia-N810-Stey-by-stey.html
00:02.23fireunin the future?
00:02.26Stskeepiefireun: i have a nice deadline on an article report that's midnight thursday in the latest timezone that has it.. :P
00:02.28fireunwheres time travel involved?
00:03.05fireunStskeepie: I'm not even convinced about my article topic yet, so...
00:03.58fireunat least I closed my browser
00:04.11fireunnow if I could only step away from the keyboard... hmm,nope that didnt work.
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00:07.24wazd_n800well, gotta go sleep, cya guys
00:07.32johnx'night wazd_n800
00:09.32FireFoxstarts to prepair a Ubuntu-N8x0-rootfs_ver2.tar.gz rootstrap for ubuntu guide - because original image got corrupt :P
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00:10.22StskeepieFireFox: one thing about people saying an image is corrupt - their network/disk/ram might corrupt their downloads
00:10.32Stskeepieso check it by downloading it yourself and md5sum'ing it
00:10.57FireFoxthanks, i'll try
00:11.40helli'll reflash my 810 2 days ago, by nokia tool, work well.
00:11.57FireFoxbut so far two people have said that thay have gotten an EOF error with the original image.
00:13.21FireFoxhas also noticed that the tar.gz that was on the server is also 100mb smaller than the original image
00:14.38FireFoxStskeepie: repository.mer.tspre.org down? :)
00:15.49FireFoxis getting an error with apt-get update :|
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00:17.51StskeepieFireFox: yessir. and it's snowing and quite windy and wet outside, so i'm not going outside right now :P
00:18.39johnxplus, crazy people wander by your building and threaten other people O_o
00:19.05Stskeepiejohnx: stuff like that happens very rarely :P
00:19.32johnxnah, happens to 100% of the people I know in Denmark
00:19.34Stskeepiehehe
00:23.00FireFoxStskeeps: hehe, it's no longer sub-zero out here but we have 13" of snow on the ground ;)
00:23.40FireFoxEDIT: stskeepie :)
00:24.26Stskeepieah, good, i just thought my server was online and that kinda scared me
00:24.26Stskeepie:P
00:24.40FireFoxhehe
00:26.12Stskeepiejesus, 10pt size vs 12pt size really screws one's thinking up
00:27.03Stskeepieit is -rough- to get through a page
00:28.12derfTwo-column 9pt IEEE format!
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00:29.12Stskeepiederf: 9? percom is 10pt
00:29.14Stskeepie.. i think
00:29.57derfIt varies. Some let you go as low as 9.
00:31.12Stskeepiei have a silly study group within pervasive positioning where we're supposed to write an article and target it towards some conference and their targets for a long paper.. i'm the only a MSc student and the others are phd students. they are obviously able to drag in their current PhD activities for their papers, whereas i have to start from scratch.
00:32.18lcuksmiles
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00:34.00johnxyeah, had that problem with papers: I'd write too damn concisely right from the start
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00:34.26Stskeepieme too, i don't have much filler.
00:34.33Stskeepiei loathe filler.
00:34.54johnxit comes from using IM/IRC/forums I think...or maybe just having a technical mind
00:37.31FireFox(rasomehow got involved in a short 12 minute movie that a play grup from a university was creating - he's the villain
00:37.54FireFoxahhh!!!!! i hate hildon-input-method
00:38.39StskeepieFireFox: i occasionally ponder if i would have liked acting.
00:39.10Stskeepiebut now that my memory is shot, i doubt that's going to happen ever :)
00:40.46FireFoxwonders how good of a villain he would be...... MWHAHAHA!!! >:)
00:40.56Stskeepiei'm surprised they didn't lock me up yet.
00:40.57Stskeepie:P
00:41.24FireFoxlock you up? :)
00:42.54johnxpokes at getting zaurus hardware support into nice ubuntu source packages
00:45.13Stskeepiebrb
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00:50.54ds3the sharprom works!
00:51.53johnxwell, yes. but working = boring
00:52.01johnxthat means there's no fun to be had
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00:53.39ds3doesn't the lack of onboard WiFi and bluetooth bug you?
00:53.59johnxI have cf wifi
00:54.05ds3but that sticks out
00:54.07johnxkind of a power hog, but I'm on it at work most nights
00:54.18johnxI type with my fingers laptop-style
00:54.59ds3do you remove the CF card when you suspend it?
00:55.13johnxnope
00:55.22ds3Hmm
00:55.27johnxsometimes i need to manually reset it when I resume though
00:55.37johnxa PITA, but not a big deal
00:56.25ds3this is the clamshell model right?
00:56.52johnxyup, C1000 (aka Akita)
00:57.05johnxthe one with no microdrive
00:57.17ds3hmmm
00:57.23johnxI have a 5500 too, but its battery is really toast
00:57.35johnxthinking about picking up a replacement battery or a whole replacement 5500
00:57.40ds3guess I am the only one that gets annoyed at a CF card sticking out the side
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00:57.56johnxshrugs
00:57.58johnxI got used to it
00:57.59ds3how much you willing to pay for a 5500? got a friend who been wanting to sell his for a long time
00:58.22lcukouch!
00:58.26ds3or you want a local source?
00:58.35johnxsadly that would be a 'later' thing, not a 'right now' thing :/
00:58.41ds3okay
00:59.08johnxbut if he still has it, say a month from now and shipping isn't too bad I'd be interested in a known working model with an ok battery for somewhere south of $100USD
00:59.10ds3if sharp put in either a bluetooth or a wifi, it would be that much better...esp with the self rotating screen
00:59.15johnxcosmetic condition isn't that important
00:59.24lcuki have "something" running right now on my tablet.
00:59.28ds3think he says it has a new battery
00:59.33lcukit is preventing a reboot and keeping the backlight on
00:59.40lcukits pegged the cpu wayyyyy up
00:59.46lcukany ideas what it could be :$
01:00.03lcuki merely went to open the camera
01:00.24johnxerrr...so you tried rootsh reboot and it didn't even close the GUI?
01:00.27ds3the camera app does that on mine too bit I can't reproduce it reliably
01:00.48lcukit told me it was going down, and the ssh session closed
01:00.55lcuktook a while to happen though
01:00.57ds3yank the battery
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01:01.24lcuki have :) dont like gremlins like that
01:01.32lcukfirst time its happened in a while
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01:07.10Stslaptoplcuk: so, why are you smiling? :P
01:09.04lcukbecause its coming together really nicely :)
01:10.22Stslaptophehe
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01:20.11lcukStslaptop, that picture is bouncing from zoomed right in to all the way back showing loads
01:55.29LinuxCode[23:28] <lcuk> LinuxCode, very well indeed :)
01:55.31LinuxCodecool
01:55.46LinuxCodesorry mate..trying to make sense of this svg stuff
02:04.59FireFoxtalking to your self, huh? :)
02:08.04Stslaptopgah. finally done with this semesters' exams
02:08.36Stslaptopgoes collapse in bed
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02:09.53FireFoxhehe
02:10.36FireFoxhad his crazy history exam the day before yesterday :)
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02:11.24Pavlznokia against Ogg Theora
02:11.49Pavlzit did pressure on w3c
02:12.59Pavlzdoesn't give support in html 5.0 to ogv
02:17.49bef0rd...
02:19.12FireFoxzzzzzzzz -_-
02:19.58bef0rdoh hai!
02:20.19FireFoxhi :)
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03:03.09r2d2rogersStsN800: not able to turn on the serever before bed?
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03:47.17dick-richardsonis there an app in the repos that will show a mouse pointer? it'd come in handy clicking on smaller items on screen
03:47.59smackpotatoyou can change the icon theme to see the pointer
03:48.42dick-richardsonknow one off the top of your head that does?
03:49.00smackpotato1 sec
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03:52.29smackpotatothe cursor icons are in /usr/share/icons/xcursor-transparent
03:53.18dick-richardsonthank you :)
03:53.49smackpotatoand ther is anouther file that states thats the theme to use i just cant recall it
03:55.44smackpotatook got it
03:56.09dick-richardsonmv /usr/share/icons/xcursor-transparent/cursors/transp to transp-ori?
03:56.35dick-richardsonthat's mentioned on the x11vnc wiki, but I'm not sure if that's just for client connections or the device itself
03:58.24smackpotatothe file you have to modify is /usr/share/user-icons/default
03:59.25smackpotatothats all i know
03:59.38dick-richardsonenough to point me in the right direction :)
03:59.44dick-richardsonthanks again
03:59.58smackpotatok happy to confuse you
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04:00.54smackpotatoanyone know anything on the 770 temperature sensors. how do they scale
04:01.45r2d2rogerssmackpotato: I didn't know the 770 had temp sensors
04:02.02smackpotatoya
04:02.20r2d2rogersgoogles...
04:02.38smackpotatofind /sys/ -name *temp*
04:03.59r2d2rogershmm
04:04.53smackpotatoim,not on the 770 now but they both gave readings of about 1000
04:05.53r2d2rogersI have two in front of me
04:05.58r2d2rogersjust cat them?
04:06.10smackpotatoya
04:06.37smackpotatowhy do you have two
04:07.58r2d2rogersgot a chance to buy a mint one for $75
04:08.06smackpotatocool
04:08.16r2d2rogersand was getting involved in deblet=>Mer testing
04:08.26smackpotatocool
04:08.27r2d2rogersso one to use while I test stuff
04:08.44r2d2rogersI got 989  and 1174 on tmpe0 and temp1
04:09.41smackpotatoclose to the values i got the last digit is sensitive it has changed already
04:10.07r2d2rogersyup
04:10.09r2d2rogersdown
04:10.15r2d2rogersI had it in had a while
04:10.21r2d2rogersthen put it on the desk
04:10.29r2d2rogers987 1171
04:11.19smackpotatoi think il put it in the porch for a couple of hours and take a reading
04:11.31FireFoxlaughs when people assume he is a expert at firefox because of his temporary user name (i'm really b-man)
04:12.05r2d2rogersFireFox: where'd ya fool 'em at?
04:12.05smackpotatotalking about firefox ......
04:12.50FireFoxat #ubuntu :)
04:13.04r2d2rogersheh
04:13.19r2d2rogerssmackpotato: found a thread on temps at ITT http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=37962
04:13.35smackpotatothanks
04:14.05r2d2rogersnot much more than we know now...
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05:49.39slonopotamushi
05:50.49slonopotamustrying to compile xf86-video-omapfb. but get:
05:50.53slonopotamus./configure: line 20737: syntax error near unexpected token `RENDER,'
05:51.09slonopotamus./configure: line 20737: `XORG_DRIVER_CHECK_EXT(RENDER, renderproto)'
05:52.50slonopotamusanyone had this problem?
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06:11.02RST38hslono: XORG_DRIVER_CHECK_EXT probably isn't supported
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06:50.13robinkIs OGG support finally in Diablo?
06:50.31robinkI'm trying to get my OGG collection to play with Canola2.
06:50.33kulvewell, depends what you mean by "in"..
06:50.50robinkkulve: Using both the Diablo SDK and extras repository as well as yours.
06:51.02robinkkulve: ...could I get full OGG support?
06:51.07kulvefull? no
06:51.11robinkhm
06:51.15kulveI don't even know what "full" means
06:51.18robinklightmediascanner0-ogg is still not working.
06:51.26kulveno tags, no flac, no speec, no ..
06:51.31robinkFull means playback of OGG/Vorbis files plus indexing that's supported by most media player apps on Maemo.
06:51.32kulvespeex
06:51.35robinkAh, no tags yet.
06:51.39robinkThat's what I was wondering.
06:51.54robinkCanola2 still uses lightmediascanner, which doesn't seem to support OGG yet.
06:52.03kulveI've made some success with the tags. Kilikali shows them all, but the metacrawler discards album tag for some reason
06:52.16robinkand lightmediascanner?
06:52.19kulverobink: I guess that might change now that the ogg-support is in extras
06:52.49robinkHopefully
06:53.01kulveI've not tested the lms, but I guess it probably will work with the tags. But the tags are not supported in the 0.9 version yet
06:53.12robinkohh
06:53.17robinkOK, I'm in no rush.
06:53.43robinkI had what was to me full OGG support in Chinook, and I'm being more impatient than I should be.
06:55.05kulveI would like to get tags support, theora and the new mimetypes for ogg-support 1.0 but looks like I need to modify some of the gst parts provided by nokia (instead of just adding stuff). That might cause some problems..
06:55.18robinkAh
06:55.52kulvegst doesn't support the new mimetypes (audio/ogg, video/ogg) yet (just application/ogg)
06:56.32robinkLardman is still working on his port of Tremor to the c5xx.  I occasionally do a cvs up and it's usually changed.
06:56.42robink*svn
06:57.26kulvehmm.. Actually I don't know about the lms and the tags. I think lms might use the tremor directly so it actually might have better tag support for oggs than the other stuff that uses ivorbis trhough gst..
06:57.39robinkHuh
06:58.04robinkWhy does lms rely on tremor as opposed to libogg?  I thought the comments were part of the OGG container and not wrapped up in the codec.
06:58.52kulveI though so too, but I was wrong. The tags are in the comment section of the vorbis, not oogg
06:58.55kulveogg
06:59.05kulvesounds a bit odd, but that's what the wikipedia at least says
06:59.29robinkHuh
06:59.30kulveand that's how it seems to be, according to the code
06:59.36robinkGotcha, good to know.
06:59.50robinkI thought the OGG guys were trying to escape the problems so prevelant in the MP3 format.
07:00.03robink*prevalent
07:00.31kulvehttp://www.xiph.org/vorbis/doc/v-comment.html
07:00.49robinkyoinks
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08:31.10*** topic/#maemo is Web Design meeting January 27th @ 14:00 UTC in #maemo-meeting | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog
08:32.14Jaffamorning, all
08:35.54Jaffammm, bacon butties
08:36.08Jaffatries to make lcuk jealous
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08:49.45X-FadeMorning.
08:49.52X-FadeDid you say bacon? :)
08:50.36Jaffayup
08:52.05mavhcwhat's with tech people's obsession with bacon?
08:52.33timelessbtw, are you guys going to fosdem?
08:52.54Jaffaain't
08:53.02Jaffamavhc: bacon's goood
08:53.07mavhcI'm going to the foss way
08:53.27X-FadeNope, can't make it..
08:53.31timeless:(
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09:00.06Mouseyhay guyz.. u get bacon?
09:00.06doc|homehay is for horsee
09:00.06doc|home*horses
09:04.28Mouseyoh hm
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09:43.18JaffaMorning, all
09:43.23JaffaEr. No, I did that.
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10:07.43RST38hYesterday?
10:07.56Myrttiomg daylight
10:08.59X-FadeMyrtti: Finland in winter? :)
10:10.01MyrttiX-Fade: Cambridgeshire in what I'd call April if I were in Finland
10:10.37X-FadeMyrtti: Heh :)
10:11.26Myrttiit's kinda eerie
10:11.36MyrttiI'm expecting the trees to bloom any moment
10:11.54RST38h...Privately, something close to desperation is starting to develop inside government. After watching the slide in bank shares on Friday, one cabinet minister did not altogether joke when he said: "The banks are fucked, we're fucked, the country's fucked."...
10:12.09Myrttihaving pussywillows in the willow tree at the hardware store and cute bunnies running around doesn't really help
10:12.30RST38h[sorry, had to quote that]
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10:45.51X-FadeJaffa: ImageMap extension should work now..
10:46.29JaffaX-Fade: cool, ta muchly
10:52.20Jaffagoes for a new concept with http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jaffa/Sandbox/Mer_homepage and heads off shopping to mull things over
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10:55.10JaffaGetting images inserted at that "normal" sizes is a real PITA.
10:55.31JaffaX-Fade: aware of a way of doing it? Even on that page, despite specifying 726px on the image tag, it still looks badly corrupted
10:55.59X-Fade|726px should work inside the tag?
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10:59.43X-FadeJaffa: If everthing else fails, you can always use html for the image tag and force it to 726px with style="" :)
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11:01.23Mikhowould anybody know, if I open the same dynamic library with dlopen() from two different location in my code, and call dlclose() two times as well, will my code blow up?
11:01.53Mikhothe manpage says it keeps only one instance of the library in memory
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11:07.57RST38hJaffa: Black-on-dark-blue looks reeeeally cool =)
11:08.36radichmm
11:11.19RST38hMikho: it is not supposed to blow up, it should be reference-counted
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11:13.20Mikhothat's good
11:13.36Mikhobecause otherwise it would make my project lot more complicated
11:15.08radiccan I anywhere find the module-dependencies?
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11:20.25Mikhoanother thing: would anyone know of a quick-and-dirty way for a program to get a fingerprint of the device one it is running in?
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11:21.13Mikhoso that I could easily identify if two programs are running in the same file system
11:24.59thekondorMikho: classical way to check if there is already running instance is to create an empty guard file
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11:26.12thekondorbut there is might be a problem: if your application finished incorrectly, this guard file (usually called '.pid file) wouldn't be deleted
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11:27.16Mikhohmm
11:27.39woglindethekondor but you can check the pid
11:28.22thekondorwoglinde: yeah, I know :)
11:28.36Mikhohmm, maybe I'll try to check the timestamp of the program data folder
11:29.16Mikhoif it's identical, there should be pretty high possibility that the two programs are running on the same computer
11:29.41woglindepid is the better way
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11:31.13thekondorMikho: If I were you, I would choose the following:
11:31.13thekondoron run I'd check if there is already existent .pid file. If it is, I'd its contents (it should contain PID) -- if pid is not equal to the PID of current instance, I'd just rewrite it with new actual one
11:31.31thekondor* I'd check its contents
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11:33.16mavhcyou'd think by now the OS would support it, wouldn't have to use a hack
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11:38.01suihkulokkiMikho: http://ldn.linuxfoundation.org/column/a-half-dozen-ways-script-a-singleton-application-only-one-right
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11:40.06MikhoI mean, it's ok if there are more than one running, they'd just need to know if they are operating the same file system, so that they can use each others files
11:40.22Stslaptopmorning
11:42.28suihkulokkiMikho: that doesn't really make any sense to me.
11:42.41floriangood morning
11:43.37Mikhowhy not?
11:45.38suihkulokkiwhat kind of application that needs to be singleton is specific to a specific filesystem? how often do users actually bother to start same applicions multiple times of different filesystems?
11:45.42t_s_ohmm, itt seems slow today
11:45.57Stslaptopt_s_o: yeah
11:47.11StslaptopX-Fade: ping
11:47.58MikhoI have a network of objects communicating with each other, abstracting differences between filesystems and terminals
11:48.55Mikhoit would be nice if the objects could exchange data files with each other, so that if one object shouts "i want this and this", another object might then serve the data file
11:49.35Mikhoand if they happen to reside in the same file system, the other object might just serve the path to the data file
11:54.49StslaptopJaffa: you're really doing stuff in wiki i never knew was possible :>
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12:55.51GeneralAntillesStslaptop, anything is possible.
12:55.58GeneralAntillesSome people run their whole sites on Mediawiki.
12:56.48AndrewFBlackGeneralAntilles, Seen some good ones run that way
12:57.09GeneralAntillesStslaptop, for instance: http://beagle-project.org/Main_Page
12:57.35Mikhooh, he was talking about wiki mechanics, not about things people write they have been doing
12:58.27thopiekaris it 'normal' that I get these outputs, when un'tar'ing the mer*.tar.gz-file?
12:58.28thopiekarhttp://pastebin.com/d44efcde0
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13:03.06Stslaptopthopiekar: you have to do it as root
13:03.11Stslaptopon a ext3 partition
13:03.41Stslaptopthopiekar: and make sure you use gnutar
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13:05.16thopiekarStslaptop: ok thanks
13:05.53Stslaptopit is usually recommended to try and use b-man's installer :)
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13:06.59GeneralAntillesMikho, er, your point?
13:07.23GeneralAntillesMikho, which is exactly the thing I was addressing, sooo. . . .
13:07.29StslaptopGeneralAntilles: think it would be possible to acquire as first step rsyncing the mer repository to repository.maemo.org/community or something? just wondering how much has to be put through the maemo.org tasks
13:07.43GeneralAntillesStslaptop, talk to X-Fade.e
13:07.47StslaptopGeneralAntilles: alright
13:07.51X-FadeStslaptop: Monitoring ;)
13:08.14X-FadeI'm sure that hosting that repo won't be a problem at all.
13:08.38GeneralAntillest_s_o, people complain a lot about maemo.org's slowness, but itT has its own moments. :\
13:09.11StslaptopX-Fade: hehe - basically my current hosting place for mer is notoriously unstable and i was pondering if we can take a initial rsync over ssh approach where we rsync to repository.maemo.org/community or something and then at some point in the future move on to repository upload (at some point) through maemo.org, and then on to builder and such
13:09.54X-FadeStslaptop: I think that I can give you a location on garage where you can sync your repo to.
13:10.05Stslaptopalright
13:10.17X-FadeStslaptop: And then we can rsync that to the caching network..
13:10.36Stslaptopsounds fine to me
13:11.01Stslaptopwe have mer.garage.maemo.org already if that can help with anything
13:11.38X-FadeWell .. no, but I guess we'll find something ;)
13:11.41Stslaptophehe ;)
13:11.56X-FadeStslaptop: What size is your repo up to now?
13:12.02Stslaptop~200m
13:12.14X-FadeAh, no problem then..
13:13.19X-FadeStslaptop: Can you send a mail to -community requesting that?
13:13.24Stslaptopyes, of course
13:13.48X-FadeThat way all the people who can accept it/block it can read it in one go ;)
13:13.51Stskeepshehe
13:14.06X-FadeAn if nobody objects, we can get that plan into action..
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13:14.36X-FadeAlthough I don't see any problems with it.
13:15.12Stskeepsi'll get a mail written during today with specifics - we've been intentionally waiting a bit regarding builder and such as we want SDK stable first :P
13:15.29Stskeeps(less hassle for you maemo.org admins ;)
13:16.01X-FadeStslaptop: Heh, well don't mind us ;)
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13:22.18StskeepsMeiz_n810: repository back up
13:22.52Meiz_n810Stskeeps: ok, thanks :)
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13:30.24wazd_n800Halo comrads!)
13:31.18t_s_oGeneralAntilles: i cant comment on maemo.org slowness, as mostly i see the bugs area, and it seems responsive
13:31.20Stskeepsafternoon wazd_n800
13:31.31lcukitt is are be down?
13:32.04wazd_n800lcuk: is are has been was down)
13:32.54Stskeepswazd_n800: can you at some point when you're able to, read through http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Sprints and mail me what it says so you can get a jaiku invite and we can write you on the participants list, because you're helping out? :)
13:33.23Stskeepsit's just to make visible the people who are doing things in the project, also helpful for future CVs ;)
13:33.53lcukwazd_n800, yeah itt is down
13:34.04wazd_n800Stskeeps, ok)9
13:34.43wazd_n800I think I'll leave all rus tablet forums(
13:34.48lcukis gizmo for video chat?
13:34.52lcukIS IT EASY TO USE?
13:34.57lcuk-caps
13:35.35wazd_n800lcuk: yep, i had  a videochat with it
13:36.14wazd_n800Stskeeps, jaiku is dead, isn't it?
13:36.48dnearylcuk: Gizmo is for video chat, and is relatively easy to use
13:36.50lcukill try it then :)
13:37.08dnearylcuk: But if you're looking for Free software, then QuteCom (formerly OpenWengo) is your best bet
13:37.41lcukim just after seeing my missus :) my mobile is dead
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13:40.03timelE61ifwiw, i grabbed the sdk debs, will try to build xref monday
13:40.08StskeepstimelE61i: :)
13:40.25Stskeepswazd_n800: no not that much yet :P in any case, it's the best collaborative tool we can use for this thing for now :P and would perhaps enable people like johnx to have a sane sleeping rhythm again ;)
13:40.34timelE61iWorst case, someone can force me to do it sunday@fosdem :)
13:40.46johnxStskeeps, sorry, what now?
13:40.48johnx:)
13:41.02johnxdon't get any ideas like my sleeping schedule is somehow ruined by Mer
13:41.05Stskeepshehe
13:41.11lcukmight try to get to fosdem
13:41.12johnxIIRC, It was about like this last year
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13:42.15Stskeepsoh, right, now i know why i'm out of balance today
13:42.19Stskeepsi didn't have my morning coffee yet
13:43.09johnxme neither O_o
13:43.18johnxbeen out drinking before I even had coffee
13:47.49Stskeepsi'm gonna take a quick swing at osso-xterm
13:48.24johnxam poking at some ubuntu hardware support packages for the zaurus
13:48.34Stskeepsk
13:48.43Stskeepsso we can make zaurus images for 0.7? ;)
13:49.01johnxfor feb 1st?
13:49.06johnxcutting it a little tight...
13:49.44johnxmerging ubuntu's patches for h-d 2.0.11 to h-d 2.0.19 is not trivial it seems
13:49.51Stskeepshehe
13:49.59johnxI'm gonna need to find a good 3 way merge tool or something
13:50.10Stskeepsi occasionally do it manually :P
13:50.33johnxyeah. the very first in the series of 25 (a patch to some config files) failed miserably
13:50.35Stskeepshehe
13:52.50johnxanyways, I have a package for xfbdev for the zaurus. just a simple fix for it and the other packages should be easy thanks to basing on the OE guys' work
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13:53.10Stskeepsis it a accelerated fbdev or?
13:53.18Stskeepsas there exists xserver-xorg-video-fbdev too
13:53.34johnxit's a *lot* faster than xorg fbdev
13:53.40johnxand it's not very fast in the first place
13:54.06johnxon the c1000/c3x000 the native orientation is 480x640 and rotation to 640x480 is done by software :/
13:54.23Stskeepsk
13:55.30Stskeeps..
13:56.28johnxhmm?
13:56.28Stskeepsponders the fact vte in osso-xterm is now 0.16.14
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13:57.25RST38hmoos evilly
13:57.38johnxoi RST38h
13:57.39Stskeepsas usual? ;)
13:58.32johnxone day I have to actually sit down and really learn all that screen can do...
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14:00.35RST38hJust dropped in to inform that Speccy release with wazd's icons is delayed because I am adding a virtual keyboard
14:00.37AStormhello
14:00.41AStormhow can I have my vim on maemo support UTF-8?
14:00.50AStorm(the one from extras
14:01.48RST38hset locale? =)
14:02.44AStormit is set correctly
14:03.10AStormhmm
14:03.24AStormit seems I'll have to generate pl_PL.UTF-8
14:03.32AStormhow do I go about it?
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14:09.57RST38hAStorm: Try KBabel, GTranslator, or PO-Edit
14:10.18AStorm...
14:10.27AStormgenerate *locale*. for glibc
14:10.31AStormnot .po files
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14:10.38StskeepsAStorm: localegen
14:10.49AStormStskeeps, it's available on maemo?
14:10.54AStormwhere?
14:11.25StskeepsAStorm: i think it is, but im not sure
14:11.45AStormENOENT - which package then?
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14:15.47Stskeepsjohnx: can you try do a build osso-xterm=0.14.mh13mer1 (something) on merbuilder?
14:15.51Stskeepsit's not responding to me
14:15.58Stskeepsas in, jaiku doesn't relay messages :P
14:16.14johnxtrying now
14:16.25Stskeepsk
14:16.32johnxaccepted
14:16.41Stskeepseven when refreshing page?
14:16.48johnxnope
14:16.52johnxafter a refresh it's gone
14:16.53johnxnice
14:16.56Stskeepslovely.
14:17.17Stskeepsponders moving merbuilder to irc
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14:17.47johnxor ssh for commands and rss for reading?
14:18.05Stskeepsmm
14:18.10Stskeepsgrabs his coffee
14:18.13AStormirc for commands :P
14:18.19RST38hOh yes
14:18.27AStormno need for rss too
14:18.28RST38hTeach infobot to build mer packages
14:18.34AStorm:)
14:18.45johnxinfobot, build world
14:18.53RST38hAnd implement !hitthefan command to turn the reporting on
14:19.59Stskeepsbuilds it manually
14:20.31johnxwell, there'll be an open source version of jaiku out soon, right? we could just host our own instance and at least be able to see why it's going wrong
14:20.47Stskeepshehe
14:23.06RST38hjohnx: or do it right away without jaiku, with php
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14:24.12Stskeepsmm, not a bad idea either
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14:26.03dnearyhey hey
14:26.03dobjohnx: or use laconica
14:26.12dnearytimsamoff about today?
14:26.43Stskeepsdob: does it have the same principles as jaiku about channels?
14:28.12dobStskeeps: I don't know much about either, I've just heard it's an open source alternative :)
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14:30.59AStormStskeeps, so, could you generate the locale for me? or point me to the right package?
14:31.57StskeepsAStorm: i'm honestly not sure sorry
14:32.02Stskeepsi use localegen on Mer, so :P
14:32.36pupnik_http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0808/vmps_626jr.htm   vmps loudspeakers KICK ASS
14:32.37AStormso, could you generate one for me? :)
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14:33.38GeneralAntillespupnik_, I've always been a fan of Axiom.
14:35.22pupnik_speaker shootout
14:35.28pupnik_Conclusion
14:35.29pupnik_Sheer madness! The VMPS 626Jr represents an insane level of sound quality at its asking price. It all starts with a cast of excellent drivers, remarkably well integrated using a first-order series crossover. Throw in a decent cabinet and you end up with a speaker than competes with speakers costing even three times as much. The old adage about good engineering does not cost any more than bad engineering applies here in spades. That push-pull ribbon mid
14:35.52AStormblah?
14:36.02pupnik_lets do clashing mechwarrior style speaker auditions
14:36.37AStormhow did they test?
14:37.01AStormblind test? frequency response, imd, thd+n?
14:37.09Stskeepsjohnx: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-ossoxterm.png
14:37.32Stskeepswe still need to apply some VTE patches, but yeah
14:38.03AStorm"in my room" testing is not rigorous enough
14:38.26AStormat least if he didn't subtract room response :)
14:38.53AStormnow, it's better than many other tests :)
14:39.04AStormat least he bothered to measure
14:40.25AStorm"What I found most shocking is just how much sound quality these speakers deliver at an asking price of only $1,175/pr."
14:40.31AStormnot expensive, neat
14:43.39AStormcould use a subwoofer though to extend low range - can't have it all I guess :)
14:44.17AStorm(a short-range - 16-40 Hz subwoofer)
14:45.05Jaffaunshops
14:45.26JaffaStskeeps: doing these sort of things in a wiki just requires a sick (CSS) mind.
14:45.37JaffaX-Fade: black on dark-blue - a work-in-progress ;-)
14:46.00JaffaX-Fade: also, I thought the <img /> tag wasn't whitelisted, so I can't put any CSS on [[image:...]], can I?
14:46.05X-FadeJaffa: Wasn't me ;)
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14:47.35X-FadeJaffa: You might be easier off just scaling the image manually.
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14:49.39JaffaX-Fade: I'm not sure that's possible in MediaWiki, is it? Although, the HTML and the image direct seem OK. I wonder if there's some odd CSS making it look "odd"
14:50.06Jaffafires up Firebug
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14:53.54Stskeepslo yerga
14:54.26yergahi Stskeeps
14:54.31yergaand all ;)
14:58.50JaffaX-Fade: I'm an idiot. Firefox for some reason had a non-default zoom on that page, explaining why it looked crap
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15:04.18lcukcrawls on his belly through broken glass with his fly down :'(
15:06.12wazd_n800goddamn, why there're so much fanboyz in the forums
15:07.09Jaffawazd_n800: when you get a chance, could you send me the mer logo on a plain (preferably transparent) background for the Mer homepage mockup I'm doing?
15:08.27wazd_n800Jaffa: i'm at the country right now, I'll do it when I'll reach home
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15:12.01wazd_n800Jaffa, Can I mockup the page too btw?)
15:15.38lcukwazd_n800, aren't you a fanboy?
15:21.57wazd_n800lcuk: of what?)
15:22.46wazd_n800lcuk: I'm a fanboy of good design :)
15:23.17lcukso you will whore yourself to whichever platform needs designer glitz and glamour :D
15:23.33lcuklike the a team but with photoshop as your weapon
15:23.42RST38hwhich automatically dismisses iPhone
15:23.48wazd_n800lcuk: But I like and hate all companies same time)
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15:24.26wazd_n800RST38h, iPhone has some design issues too
15:24.27KhertanHello !
15:24.40Khertandoes there is problem with itt ?
15:24.59wazd_n800RST38h, sometimes inconsistent UI for example)
15:25.02lcuklol khertan, i also gave a lolcat speak question about itt earlier
15:25.06wazd_n800Khertan, heya)
15:25.19lcuk"lcuk: itt is are be down?"
15:25.27Khertanhey ! it seems i found what was the problem with my nit
15:25.38Khertanwifi connection handler
15:25.41lcukyou froze it?
15:25.45Khertandon't know why
15:26.08RST38hwazd: blasphemy! -)
15:26.09lcukmmmm, i bolloxed up the wifi connection on mine -= i reformatted cos of it
15:26.43Khertanbolloxed ? euh ... don't know this work ... :)
15:26.54Khertanby i understand the general meaning ...
15:27.04Khertan<PROTECTED>
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15:27.22lcukuniversal language of damaged mans dangly bits
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15:27.56lcukawww qwerty12 you didnt have detention today :D
15:28.14qwerty12lcuk, you wanted me to have detention? :P
15:28.24RST38hlcuk: but I am sure they replaced it with whipping
15:28.34lcukyou shouldv done lol
15:28.53qwerty12lol :P
15:29.20Stskeepslo qwerty12
15:29.21lcuki installed gizmo - it was a bit ummm how do i say, complex and ott
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15:29.27Stskeepsqwerty12: testing our the eabi stuff
15:29.33qwerty12hey Stskeeps
15:29.34qwerty12wicked
15:29.45Stskeepsqwerty12: also http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-ossoxterm.png
15:29.49Stskeepswe still need to patch vte a little bit
15:29.49lcukburns EABI incompatabilities
15:30.05GeneralAntillesOK, I'm borred with itT being broken now.
15:30.05qwerty12Stskeeps, wicked!
15:30.25StskeepsGeneralAntilles: it's a complete disruption into my daily routine and i want my money back :P
15:30.29qwerty12Stskeeps, what's messed in libvte atm>
15:30.30qwerty12*?
15:30.44Stskeepsqwerty12: cursor blinking and some other patches that would be nice to have
15:31.08qwerty12If vte built in the Mer sdk, I'd happily take a look but as it stands...
15:31.13lcukmaybe itt have upgraded to mer and they havent yet got the packages on yet
15:31.26Stskeepsqwerty12: could always go for the chroot method
15:31.32Stskeepsqwerty12: jaffa has documented this quite well
15:31.41Stskeepsqwerty12: also, if a package doesn't build in SB, it will build it in native.
15:31.51qwerty12Stskeeps, with 2.4gb left on my partition, I'm kinda reluctant :)
15:31.55Stskeepsqwerty12: hehe
15:33.16Stskeepswhich will be the source of a blog post about "Should packages always build in Scratchbox? Is it an accelerator or the compiliation environment of the target platform"
15:33.19Stskeeps:P
15:34.16Stskeepsqwerty12: i'm suddenly getting "chage: Permission denied.
15:34.16StskeepsStopped: `/usr/bin/chage -M 99999 messagebus' returned error code 1. Exiting.
15:34.17Stskeeps"
15:34.19Stskeepswhich kinda wonders me
15:34.32qwerty12Stskeeps, do you happen to know if there's an easy way to make a gconf schema file? I don't mind packaging advanced-power but its method of installing gconf files directly into /var/lib/gconf is not healthy at all. I'd rather make a gconf schema file & use dh_gconf.
15:34.33qwerty12Odd :/
15:36.41Stskeepsqwerty12: se
15:36.41Stskeepsc
15:37.56Stskeepsqwerty12: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mer-committers/m-r/hildon-input-method/annotate/head%3A/hildon-input-method-ui3.schemas looks pretty simple.. and http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mer-committers/m-r/hildon-input-method/annotate/head%3A/debian/libhildon-im-ui3.postinst.in
15:38.59qwerty12Stskeeps, thanks. I know how to make one manually, but adding the entries is a bitch :P
15:40.00Stskeepsalso we don't employ /var/lib/gconf anymore :P
15:40.50qwerty12Yeah, gconf-schemas should handle the file location when it imports the file :)
15:42.14qwerty12Fuck it, I can quickly make one based on the defaults and fix any problems when I try it out in mer
15:42.43Stskeepsqwerty12: much appreciated you're doing this work though :)
15:42.56qwerty12:)
15:43.07RST38hhttp://i.gizmodo.com/5137782/inside-jonathan-ives-apple-design-lab  <=== disturbing apple fanboy ramblings
15:44.04Khertanhaha
15:44.13Khertani already see it :)
15:44.58Khertani ve made many zoom on the pict ... but nothing interesting :)
15:45.03wazd_n800that jonathan ives is totally insane guy
15:45.11RST38hWhy?
15:45.33wazd_n800the way he talks - call the medics)
15:45.56RST38hnever heard him, what is wrong with him?
15:46.06RST38hAside from being French, I guess?
15:46.06Khertandon't know... i ve never talk with it
15:46.18Khertan<PROTECTED>
15:46.19Khertan:)
15:46.27Khertanhe is french ?
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15:46.45wazd_n800You can watch movie bout macs new casing
15:46.50Khertanhe was born in london
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15:48.13Khertan... google docs api really lacks many features .... !!!
15:48.28Stskeepsqwerty12: fakeroot.patch is harmful
15:48.36Stskeepsqwerty12: just remove the calls to it, and it will be fine
15:48.46qwerty12Stskeeps, the qemu package?
15:48.52Stskeepsyeah
15:49.23qwerty12Stskeeps, easily done, I hated the lines I employed in the postinst & preinst to include it for patching :)
15:49.30Stskeepshehe
15:49.42Stskeepsarmel osso-xterm included now
15:50.57Khertanhttp://mer.garage.maemo.org/ <<<---- !!!!!
15:51.01Khertanhum ...
15:51.06GeneralAntilles!!!!!!11111111!!!111
15:51.10Khertan:)
15:51.23Khertanhi generalAntilles :)
15:51.27StskeepsKhertan: yeah, should probably be redirected to somewhere else
15:51.30GeneralAntillesHi, Khertan. :)
15:51.37Stskeepslike http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer ;)
15:51.44Khertanah great :)
15:52.04Khertani was looking for where to read instruction for installation :)
15:52.26Khertanoh ! really nice logo
15:52.32qwerty12My computer knows me all too well: http://pastebin.com/d693dee26 :)
15:52.52Stskeepsqwerty12: "you have 0.5gb free, please delete some of your porn to free more space"?
15:53.11Stskeepsah
15:53.12Stskeeps;)
15:53.20qwerty12Stskeeps, Well, I'm waiting for that message to come up yet as I have 2.5gb left :P
15:53.31Stskeepswe should include that in homediskfree.
15:53.43Stskeepswith Clippy popping up.
15:53.53qwerty12Hah, ubuntu's dch automatically puts a ubuntu1 epoch. Fuck that.
15:54.10Stskeepsqwerty12: it's based on lsb-release
15:54.13Stskeepsrest of us has same issue
15:54.26Khertanlol
15:54.35GeneralAntillesRST38h, VGBA asked me to pick a folder again.
15:54.36qwerty12Stskeeps, ah
15:54.37Khertanbut i can't do this based on user name :)
15:55.17qwerty12Stskeeps, did the package install & remove fine btw?
15:55.21Stskeepsqwerty12: yes just fine
15:55.26Stskeepsdidnt check removal though
15:55.43qwerty12wicked, thanks for testing. heh, removing should be fine now that fakeroot.patch is going :)
15:55.51lcukwonders if he needs an email addy to be involved in mer :)
15:55.53Stskeepsplays with mer-osso-xterm
15:56.06dnearyhi
15:56.15dnearyAm I the only one seeing http://maemo.org/ down?
15:56.22qwerty12yes
15:56.26dnearyOK
15:56.26Stskeepsyes
15:56.34dnearyI guess the internet's broken for me
15:56.47Stskeepslcuk: it's just a matter of mailing me really, so i can add people to the participants list and have some degree of contact and optionally invite people on jaiku if need be :)
15:56.48dnearyI get: Notice: Undefined index: last_modified in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/services/cache/module/content.php on line 571
15:56.48dnearyNotice: Undefined index: etag in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/services/cache/module/content.php on line 571
15:56.48dnearyNotice: Undefined index: sent_headers in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/services/cache/module/content.php on line 571
15:56.48dnearyFatal error: Exception thrown without a stack frame in Unknown on line 0
15:56.53qwerty12Now you're banished to IRC forever! muhahahaha
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15:57.25dnearySo maemo.org is fine for everyone else?
15:57.41Stskeepsdneary: yup
15:57.49GeneralAntillesAs far as I can tell.
15:58.05dnearyWorks fine over https
15:58.08dnearyBut not http
15:58.18lcukunless your DNS points maemo.org to internettablettalk.com :P
15:58.21GeneralAntillesX-Fade, do we happen to keep a history of user registrations?
15:58.43lcukGeneralAntilles, should have, it was part of the original voting thing
15:58.49lcukcos the date of registration was involved
15:59.15GeneralAntillesI'm thinking it would be interesting to correlate registrations to product releases, software announcements, and whatnot.
15:59.51Stskeepswoo, osso-xterm works on armel
15:59.57Stskeepsannoying blinking cursor though
16:01.26qwerty12Stskeeps, I've updated the qemu package and removed the fakeroot patch. I'll reupload to trac.tspre.org/qwerty12 in a min, just need to generate a source package
16:02.17Stskeepsqwerty12: alright
16:02.31Stskeepsi'll test out on builder, usually the best way to see if something breaks :P
16:02.47qwerty12done
16:02.49qwerty12hehe
16:02.55lcukmails you
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16:06.45Stskeepslcuk: add
16:06.45Stskeepsed
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16:06.57lcukwhere to?
16:07.03Stskeepsparticipants list :P
16:07.30Stskeepsjohnx: btw go ahead and add yourself :P
16:07.36jeward_Hi, I've downloaded a series of ebooks to my n810 and am wondering if there's a better way to read them on more than machine than fbreader?
16:07.56jeward_Say I want to read some on my Mac, and then read more on the n810 when out.
16:07.59wazd_n800poor Chichvarkin(
16:08.38lcukwheres that?
16:08.47jeward_Since they're in HTML, I thought about mailing them around in a document and putting the bookmark (some unique text) inline before saving it and mailing it to myself?
16:09.03jeward_The books are to big for Google docs or I'd use that.
16:09.06jeward_too
16:09.59lcuk:) the new liqbase will be compatible with both x86 and NIT, the bookreader should therefore be compilable on multidevices to allow this kind of thing with shared user info
16:09.59Stskeepsqwerty12: set -e messes a bit with grep
16:10.18qwerty12Stskeeps, bollocks. Thanks
16:10.21Stskeepsqwerty12: if grep cannot find anything, then it might return non-zero
16:10.48qwerty12ah. May as well remove it, it's not worth using || true as there's not much else in the file.
16:10.55Stskeepshehe
16:11.05lcukStskeeps, which page i cant  do searches in vnc
16:11.15lcukkicks his virgin connection in the nuts
16:11.20doblcuk: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint
16:11.41lcukthank you stskeeps in disguise ;P
16:11.43qwerty12Stskeeps, mind if I do it later? I'm busy converting raw gconf xml files into a nice & pretty schema file :)
16:11.46dob:)
16:11.47Stskeepsqwerty12: yes, sure
16:11.49Stskeepsqwerty12: no rush
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16:13.28lcukqwertys english teacher: did you do that essay I asked for?"   qwerty: "well i converted it to HTML, made a debian/rules file and set it to install along with the rest of your classwork..."
16:13.32Stskeepswtf, is jaiku not allowing messages being sent for channels today?
16:13.36r2d2rogersStskeeps: I've got kernel modules for 2.6.26.27 and 2.6.21 in /lib/modules
16:13.47Stskeepsr2d2rogers: hmmm.
16:13.47r2d2rogersStskeeps: jaiku seems to be a bit bent
16:14.03Stskeepsr2d2rogers: which in 2.6.21?
16:14.03t_s_oStskeeps: part of some google switchover or something?
16:14.04qwerty12lcuk, lol :P
16:14.07r2d2rogers/lib/modules/current points at the 2.6.21 also
16:14.45jgwongHi, has anybody have retu-adc.c (a program to read the battery level) compiled?
16:14.59Stskeepsdob: dobi on jaiku btw? feel free to sign up more formally if you're interested :) (as listed on the Sprints page)
16:15.21qwerty12jgwong, uhm, it's right there on the same page: http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/770/retu-adc
16:15.49jgwongqwerty12: Oh, I only saw the link to the source, thanks!
16:16.10qwerty12np :)
16:17.06dobStskeeps: yes that's me, I just don't know what I'd like to do yet :)
16:17.10Stskeepshehe
16:18.33Stskeepsdob: what kind of tablet do you have?
16:18.49Stskeepsr2d2rogers: just curious which modules end up there :)
16:18.55KhertanHo !!!.?...!!!! Modest just warn me that i ve got new email ... after 2 month of not working
16:19.23StskeepsKhertan: it's been hibernating like the bears over winter
16:19.28lcukwow, 2 months email backlog, that would tell me "you have 237423742346237484352 new mails"
16:19.44Khertanlcuk .... not with imap :)
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16:19.51dobStskeeps: a borrowed N800
16:19.57lcukit would still tell me how many new ones i had :)
16:20.21Khertannope it tell you just only unread
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16:22.06r2d2rogersStskeeps: http://pastebin.com/m67a0eb25
16:22.51Stskeepsr2d2rogers: oh boy.. i wonder what causes that to come in
16:23.21Khertansisusbvga.ko ?
16:23.27r2d2rogersStskeeps: want the list from 2.6.16?
16:23.39qwerty12Khertan, been  in initfs since diablo
16:23.46Khertanoh
16:23.49Khertandon't know
16:24.12Stskeepsr2d2rogers: no, i'm just wondering what dependancy caused it to come in
16:24.17qwerty12Stskeeps, whatever did it obviously took "powerful, power-efficient, economical handheld computers" into account :p
16:24.43Stskeepsyes, a 770 that can do everything ;)
16:24.46Khertanis cleaning his google docs account ... after creating 5000 documents
16:24.47Khertan...
16:24.55lcukKhertan, if emails havent been working for 2 months i would have that many unread mails
16:24.56Stskeepsr2d2rogers: dpkg -l | grep diablo
16:24.59Khertani can say ... sync doesn't work well
16:25.23Khertanlcuk ... yep but i use other mail reader i don't read my email exclusively on my nit
16:25.53r2d2rogersStskeeps: kernel-diablo-modules and kernel-diablo-modules-fbcon
16:26.20lcukkhertan, how have you  managed 5000 documents, are they cal entries which miss their target?
16:26.23lcukor actual documents
16:26.32Stskeepsr2d2rogers: apt-get rdepends kernel-diablo-modules
16:26.38Stskeepser, apt-cache
16:26.52Khertanthis is my mnotes sync with google docs
16:27.07Stskeepsqwerty12: btw after removing set -e it works
16:27.23lcukwont it blow up if you edit/create documents in google first and bring down to nit?
16:27.23qwerty12Stskeeps, wicked, thanks. Will update the package later.
16:27.40Khertaneach time i push a modified docs from mnotes it create a new docs instead of modify it
16:27.52r2d2rogersStskeeps: usbnet-emergency-telnetd
16:28.01Stskeepsr2d2rogers: oh bollocks
16:28.03Stskeepsi'll take a look
16:28.10r2d2rogersthanks
16:28.30Khertani think it s just a stupid error somewhere
16:29.15lcukim surprised at the number, i create documents (sketches) much quicker and more often and only have ~2k
16:29.56Khertanhttp://code.google.com/p/gdata-issues/issues/detail?id=277
16:30.58lcukhow would it know though?
16:30.59Khertanlcuk you haven't try the import feature of mnotes which try to import all things it can read from a path recursively ?
16:31.01lcukdo you download the doc, do a compare and upload if different?
16:31.06lcukor do you just always upload?
16:31.23Khertanthere is a timestamp of last update
16:31.28Khertanjust use it to compare
16:31.46Stskeepsr2d2rogers: did you ever modify the read foo stuff btw into a bzr branch?
16:32.03r2d2rogersr2d2rogers: I have not
16:32.04Khertani ve added in mnotes all text file from my backup server :) just to see :)
16:32.08r2d2rogersLOL
16:32.11lcuk"import all things recursively"  you mean the contents of every file found on a path scan?
16:32.11r2d2rogersStskeeps: I have not
16:32.21Khertanlcuk : yep :)
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16:32.41lcukgulp just what do you consider text?
16:32.43Khertanthis was a test to see if mnotes is not too slow when there is many notes
16:32.48Stskeepsr2d2rogers: removing then as i have it with me now
16:32.49r2d2rogersStskeeps: I only have the image branch right now
16:32.57r2d2rogersStskeeps: awesome, thanks
16:33.03Khertanthere is nothing really usefull
16:33.14Khertanto do that
16:33.50lcukcos i recurseively scan for documents in the book reader, but i dont randomly create thousands of files, though for stress testing i suppose you could create a document from each line in every document identified
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16:34.30lcukhow fast/slow was your directory listing/building up of the grid with that many items, im  imagining it would be sluggish
16:36.40Jaffawazd_n800: go mad - I'm having a play at http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jaffa/Sandbox/Mer_homepage - making a design which is wiki compatible is a fun challenge
16:37.03woglindere
16:37.08lcukKhertan, or do you use a database for storing notes in?
16:38.25lcukjaffa, isnt that statement exactly the same as any embedded development :) the challenge is making something work in a constrained environment
16:39.06Jaffalcuk: indeed :)
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16:40.32StskeepsJaffa: also, does it view OK on microb? :P
16:40.44Stskeepssteps a couple of steps back
16:41.27Stskeepsr2d2rogers: we have osso-xterm now btw
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16:42.03r2d2rogersStskeeps: I'm trying to get the touchscreen working again, an apt-get upgrade borked it
16:42.15r2d2rogerswill grab the xterm next though :)
16:42.42JaffaStskeeps: yes, it will
16:43.06JaffaThe CSS is simple; the ingenuity (even if I do say so myself) is working out a compelling design one can do in mediawiki
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16:45.48r2d2rogersStskeeps: Mer Repo hiccup again?
16:46.12slonopotamus_hi (second attempt)
16:46.30r2d2rogersStskeeps: hullo
16:46.35r2d2rogersslonopotamus_: hello
16:46.44r2d2rogersStskeeps: sorry, missed the tab
16:47.32slonopotamus_Stskeeps, did you hit failing ./configure in xf86-video-omapfb?
16:47.49slonopotamus_ah, crap
16:48.04slonopotamus_i think i've answered myself
16:48.12slonopotamus_need dependency on xorg
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16:49.12qwerty12Stskeeps, sigh. Finished the gconf schema file by hand. Happen to know any programs for linux that check for duplicate lines inside the file just in case?
16:49.30woglindeqwerty hm sort and uniqe
16:49.34StsN800goes outside for another reboot and buys a new power supply
16:49.39r2d2rogers:(
16:49.43qwerty12woglinde, wicked. Thank you!
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16:55.39qwerty12StsN801, w00t! I've produced a proper package for advanced-power using the gconf schema method to install the correct entries :). I just need to package the advanced-power-monitor now.
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16:57.57StsN801qwerty12, good job!
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16:58.55qwerty12"If you aint no punk holla we want http://repository.mer.tspre.org/"
17:01.25wazd_n800I think II can help with Mer homepage
17:03.57StsN801grr, definately power supply issues
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17:12.46StsN801lo zenvoid
17:17.34zenvoidStsN801: hello
17:17.55zenvoidI'm testing Android in the freerunner
17:18.02StsN801tries to restart his server
17:18.14StsN801how is it?
17:18.33zenvoidIt has sounds for the UI, ringtones, etc
17:18.35woglindeStsN801 should be stable now
17:18.43woglindeand keyboard
17:19.02zenvoidmaybe those sounds are under the apache license
17:19.10zenvoidI'm looking at the sources
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17:20.47qwerty12StsN801, Packaged advanced-power-monitor (and learnt how to use dh_installinit :)). I'll send to the builder in about 10 mins
17:21.40StsN801qwerty12, k, but repo is down atm
17:21.45qwerty12shitfuck
17:21.50StsN801so wait for my signal
17:22.07qwerty12Well, the source packages can sit pretty on my hard drive for the time being :)
17:22.20qwerty12Roger that
17:23.40qwerty12I'm not going to bother packaging the themes though - the user can use the icon set provided by their current theme or the icon set that comes with adv-power by default
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17:25.31ShadowJKWhat's advanced-power-monitor?
17:25.55StsN801qwerty12, just upload to incoming but dont /import
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17:26.19qwerty12ShadowJK, The person who made advanced-power split up the gathering information part into a daemon so other programs can get information from it.
17:26.22qwerty12StsN801, cool.
17:26.53ShadowJKUh, so what's advanced-power?
17:27.13ShadowJKgoogles
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17:30.00StsN801qwerty12, can import now
17:30.10qwerty12k
17:33.11qwerty12StsN801, is jaiku fucking up?
17:33.13jgwongqwerty12: Is that finished? Will that allow me to read the battery level via command line?
17:33.43qwerty12jgwong, dunno, I just have it installed so that the advanced-power applet works.
17:34.09qwerty12If you want to read from command line, there's things like battery-status, retu-adc, kcbatt etc
17:34.16qwerty12s/etc//
17:34.36JaffaStsN801/wazd/other mer folks: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jaffa/Sandbox/Mer_homepage is basically done now. Looks good in microb & webkit and Firefox. Subpages behind buttons are in place. Would like feedback & sign-off before replacing existing homepage and, also, any ideas on how best to not have "Latest Activity" pushing over the navigation/toolbox stuff in the maemo_org wikimedia theme.
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17:35.25jgwongqwerty12: Nice, thanks
17:36.41dobJaffa: how about changing About to Goals?
17:36.59Jaffadob: The heading, rather than the button?
17:37.09dobJaffa: yes
17:37.28Jaffadob: done
17:38.21dobJaffa: the bullet color should be changed, it blends in to the background
17:38.51Jaffadob: indeed. However, to do so would mean masses more HTML rather than just using the wiki syntax. Making it harder to maintain
17:39.11JaffaSo I decided not to, and shrug my shoulders at such issues ;-)
17:40.47StsN801qwerty12, yes
17:40.55qwerty12bollocks
17:42.26qwerty12StsN801, any objections to me marking qemu task as completed? I've rebuilt without set -e.
17:42.55qwerty12(I've tested the prerm script successfully on that front)
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17:48.47Stskeepsqwerty12: yes, go ahead - remember to update SDK documentation on wiki
17:50.34Jaffapokes Stskeeps as well as StsN801 now :)
17:50.37qwerty12Stskeeps, meh, maybe later :P
17:50.54Stskeepsqwerty12: k
17:51.02StskeepsJaffa: sorry, refresh what you said, was on tablet in another building
17:51.22JaffaStskeeps: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jaffa/Sandbox/Mer_homepage is basically done now. Looks good in microb & webkit and Firefox. Subpages behind buttons are in place. Would like feedback & sign-off before replacing existing homepage and, also, any ideas on how best to not have "Latest Activity" pushing over the navigation/toolbox stuff in the maemo_org wikimedia theme.
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17:52.47StskeepsJaffa: section beneath the buttons "What's happening right now?"
17:54.23JaffaStskeeps: so the buttons go in the middle?
17:54.25Jaffagives it a go
17:54.43Stskeepsyes
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17:59.52JaffaStskeeps: I've actually now tried putting the buttons and the feed side-by-side (since it's micro-blogging). A few tweaks still required, but it's promising.
18:00.54Stskeeps*nod*
18:02.48Stskeepsif it's possible see if you can grab author as well in the microblogging list
18:05.14JaffaI don't know how configurable the RSS extension is. Will investigate
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18:10.09radicStskeeps: where can I find the kernel-module-dependencie?
18:10.35Stskeepsradic: er, tablet? ;)
18:10.40Stskeepswhich one
18:10.50radicyes, on the N800
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18:11.23Stskeepsthey should be in repository
18:11.37Stskeepskernel-diablo-modules and such
18:11.49radicStskeeps: I use a self compiled kernel and modules
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18:16.30r2d2rogersStskeeps: borked touchscreen on 770 again, due to synaptics drive being tried it seems
18:16.33Stskeepsradic: ah, - then you need to generate the packages yourself
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18:18.08radicStskeeps: I want only to know wich modules must be loaded first that I dosn't get unresolved symboles...
18:18.13Stskeepsradic: which kernel, btw?
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18:18.37radic2.6.21
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18:18.49Stskeepsand what changes did you do to it?
18:18.56ioanhi
18:19.43qwerty12radic, symlink all the modules in /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/`uname -r`/ to /lib/modules/`uname -r` and then run "depmod -a" (http://sse2.net/depmod) and then you can use modprobe.
18:20.11qwerty12of course, I assume that you'll put your new modules in /lib/modules/`uname -r`
18:21.12ioanI need a new tablet. I just sold my n800 on ebay to have money buy the n810 - the deal from buy.com... and the deal is gone. I have no tablet and I need one. Should I buy n810 or wait for the new one? Any idea how long before the new one is out??
18:21.28radicqwerty12: thx
18:21.42Stskeepsioan: noone really knows, first in summer i think
18:22.50ioanthat's too far away, I need a tablet... lets hope the buy.com deal ($219) will pop out somewhere else
18:24.11radicqwerty12: I did "make nokia_2420_defconfig" but it seems it isn't exact the default-configuration of the kernel in der latest OS2008-image
18:24.28qwerty12radic, really? I've never noticed any differences.
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18:33.24khertan_n810hello  again
18:33.42khertan_n810i m trying to install mer in the train from the installer
18:34.12Stskeepshehe
18:34.13khertan_n810where can i found the dependancy e2fspprog ?
18:34.55Stskeepsit should be in extras
18:34.58khertan_n810the other was found in maemo repository
18:35.07khertan_n810sure ?
18:35.17t_s_odo mer have a working browser?
18:35.29Stskeepst_s_o: midori
18:35.37t_s_oheh...
18:35.40khertan_n810with an other package name ?
18:35.50Stskeepskhertan_n810: ok, extras-devel has it
18:36.10t_s_ohmm, seems like the development of both tear and webkit-eal have slowed down...
18:36.21khertan_n810hum i ve extras devel too
18:36.34khertan_n810is apt-get updating
18:36.36Stskeepskhertan_n810: i see it in extras-devel at least :)
18:36.43khertan_n810ok
18:36.49khertan_n810i m trying again
18:37.13JaffaThe App Mgr won't pull things from repos if you're installing from a file
18:37.27thopiekarhello
18:37.34khertan_n810i know that
18:37.42Jaffamerinstaller to extras-devel is in scope pre-1.0
18:37.50Jaffa?
18:37.52t_s_oJaffa: yet another nokia "save the user from themselves" thing?
18:37.58khertan_n810i used apt-get install e2fsprog
18:38.12qwerty12_N800khertan_n810, e2fsprogs
18:38.40thopiekari configure'd, make'd and make installe'd the source of the current  pulseaudio-version
18:38.40khertan_n810ouch :   Erreur d'écriture - write (28 No space left on device)
18:38.40GeneralAntillest_s_o, no, a "let's not encourage broken behaviours"
18:38.51thopiekarbut i can't find the binarys
18:38.52GeneralAntillest_s_o, dpkg doesn't fetch dependencies, either.
18:39.00Jaffat_s_o: dunno; dpkg/apt doesn't - I'm not sure it occurred to them as a really popular usecase
18:39.15GeneralAntillesWe don't want to make installing a .deb easy
18:39.26thopiekari'm a beginner in compiling sourcecodes please help :|
18:39.28GeneralAntillesThings should be distributed and installed through repositories.
18:39.57t_s_oi think its "popular" out of ease of distribution. no need to set up a repo or try to get it onto extra
18:40.06qwerty12_N800thopiekar, unless you --prefixed=/usr to configure, you'll probably find the stuff under /usr/local
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18:40.56t_s_oespecially for someone that hacked together a solution to scratch a itch
18:41.01thopiekarqwerty12_N800: hmm thanks I will try it on sb1 now
18:41.10Jaffat_s_o: sucks for the future of the platform to have a (possibly temporary) developer distibute sourceless binary pkgs
18:41.32t_s_oJaffa: true that tho, but shit happens all the time...
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18:41.59thopiekarforeget to say that he is _trying_ to build pulseaudio for his tablet...
18:42.34khertan_n810the installer is only 0.27Mo so it ll download all necessary things for mer ?
18:42.45t_s_ofunny thing is that i suspect that attempting to get everyone to do something the "right way" will at times alienate potential contributors...
18:42.49thopiekarqwerty12_N800: I get this output:
18:42.50thopiekar[sbox-DIABLO_ARMEL: ~/pulseaudio-0.9.14/src] > make install --prefixed=/usr
18:42.50thopiekarmake: unrecognized option `--prefixed=/usr'
18:42.56Stskeeps--prefix=
18:43.03thopiekaraaah false dir
18:43.11qwerty12_N800^ & it's to ./configure too
18:43.23thopiekarsame
18:43.34khertan_n810t_s_o not really it has slow down a bit my dev but it s force me to make py2deb :)
18:43.41Stskeepsthopiekar: pulseaudio isn't exactly trivial to put on tablet :P
18:43.57Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: rebooting merbuilder
18:44.00Stskeepsi'll build it for you
18:44.04Jaffat_s_o: difficult balance to strike :-(
18:44.13qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, cool.
18:44.14GeneralAntillest_s_o, that's why you try to make the right way simple and friendly.
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18:44.19khertan_n810why do you want pulseaudio ?
18:44.21t_s_oJaffa: i think you just described life
18:44.39mgedminwants pulseaudio for network-enabled speakers
18:44.43StskeepsGeneralAntilles: package building stuff would be a lot easier if tablet had dh_make for instance :P
18:45.00mgedminimagine media player on the tablet playing through my avahi-discoverable office jukebox
18:45.15Stskeepsmgedmin: we use pulseaudio in Mer but we don't have any sound yet :>
18:45.22khertan_n810dh_make and all other standart debian tools
18:45.27Jaffabingles mud v1.8 which has made doing a "proper" vim simple
18:45.50mgedminis "bingles" some sort of British slang for "releases"?
18:45.50khertan_n810and a easy way to replace busybox
18:46.24khertan_n810jaffa, does mud could build gtksourceview and his python binding ?
18:46.36Jaffamgedmin: British talker slang for something like sis very happy with - so happy I'll sprinkle some (manly) glitter over it"
18:46.45thopiekarqwerty12_N800: could you please explain how to build the binary more detailed? I'm just a beginner in these thinks^^
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18:47.17Jaffakhertan_n810: the Debian package pulled in the world. Is there a tarball?
18:47.29thopiekarqwerty12_N800: ./configure; make ; make install --prefix=/usr  ?
18:47.54qwerty12_N800thopiekar, NO. I said prefix is passed to configure already.
18:48.33khertan_n810surelly ..;
18:48.41khertan_n810But don t ask me the links right now ...
18:48.57khertan_n810loagavg here is 9.04
18:49.12khertan_n810i ve just explode my own record
18:51.40Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: advanced power built, building the other component..
18:51.59Stskeepsr2d2rogers: ping
18:53.05Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: i just remembered, we need hald-addon-bme for this to work :>
18:53.21Stskeepsif it uses HAL for battery metering
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18:53.34qwerty12_N800chases after Stskeeps with a bat. grrr :P
18:53.48Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: we'll test it on x86 and see how it reacts to AC power
18:53.48Stskeeps:P
18:54.11Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: both built
18:54.20qwerty12_N800cool :/
18:54.46Stskeepstries to install on virtualbox
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18:56.08radicqwerty12_N800: and aufter I did modprob -a I have to wirte a script that loads the modules with modprobe?
18:57.15qwerty12_N800depmod -a actually but yes, you'll need to make a simple script to modprobe the modules
18:57.32radicqwerty12_N800: all modules?
18:57.58qwerty12_N800well, the ones you want loaded
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19:01.32radic/home/user # modprobe cifs
19:02.24radicinsmod: cannot insert '/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/cifs.ko': File exists (-1): File exists
19:02.24radicmodprobe: failed to load module cifs
19:02.52qwerty12_N800lsmod doesn't list the module as already loaded?
19:03.14radicqwerty12_N800: hmm, I did cat /proc/modules
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19:03.50radiccifs is not loaded
19:05.50Stskeepsponders on python-gnome vs python-gnome2
19:06.42mgedminpython-gnome doesn't exist any more, I believe
19:07.15Stskeepsyeah, but it's called python-gnome in maemo, and python-gnome2 in ubuntu/debian :)
19:08.58r2d2rogersStskeeps: pong
19:08.59ds3do 'dmesg'
19:09.21Stskeepsr2d2rogers: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade; and apt-get remove kernel-diablo-modules
19:09.33Stskeepsand see if it works
19:09.56radicqwerty12_N800: lol, I know the problem...
19:10.17radicqwerty12_N800: cifs-support is compiled in the kernel
19:10.32r2d2rogersrunning...
19:10.39qwerty12_N800hah, didn't see that one coming :)
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19:13.19Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: advanced power depends on python2.5-gnome but it is python2.5-gnome2 now
19:13.22Stskeepsbtw
19:14.19r2d2rogersStskeeps: any way to get the version of osso-xterm that has the vertical shortcuts instead/also?
19:14.19qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, skeen. i thought I was being safe by doing 'python2.5-gnome | python-gnome' :). Ah well, please change & rebuild.
19:15.12Stskeepsr2d2rogers: i think libvte changes has first priority, but feel free to add it to http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Sprints/0.7
19:15.45r2d2rogerswilco
19:15.54r2d2rogerswill figure out which that is also
19:16.46Stskeepsi'm going to patch xserver-xorg-video-omapfb a bit
19:17.59r2d2rogersStskeeps: rebooting tablet
19:18.16Stskeepsk
19:18.35r2d2rogers(--) ADS784x Touchscreen: no supported touchpad found
19:19.32r2d2rogersStskeeps: (--) ADS784x Touchscreen: no supported touchpad found
19:19.48r2d2rogersStskeeps: it's trying to load the synaptics module for the touchscreen
19:19.57JaffaStskeeps: can't change much in the output of the <rss> element, but I've finished the CSS tweaks on User:Jaffa/Sandbox/Mer_homepage
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19:37.37zecrazytuxhey
19:37.47zecrazytuxI can't find rtcomm sources...
19:38.12zecrazytuxDoes anybody know where I should have a look ?
19:38.13radicqwerty12_N800: now the N800 is crashed
19:38.34r2d2rogersStskeeps: solved: sudo dpkg -P xserver-xorg-input-all xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
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19:47.21thopiekarqwerty12_N800: I tried to build pulseaudio, but it seems that something is missing
19:48.18thopiekari tried building on the newest sourcepackage from the official site and on the source by ubuntu's apt
19:48.33thopiekarbut there is allways the same message..
19:48.50thopiekaris now pastbin'ing it
19:49.04StOrM_NWis there any way to install any newer version of libc6 ... i need to install a python module that requires a version greater than 2.7-1. is there any repository containing any new version of libc6? the version installed at the tablet is the 2.5.0-1osso10, is it the newest one ported for the tablet?
19:50.00woglinde_StOrM_NW nope
19:50.09woglinde_maybee on freemantle
19:50.42Stskeepsr2d2rogers: there's a packages_exclude thing in imager
19:50.59StskeepsJaffa: looks good now
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19:51.24thopiekarhttp://pastebin.com/m162f5226
19:52.04StOrM_NWwoglinde_, is this the version 5 of maemo?
19:52.45JaffaStskeeps: Happy for me to move it over to be the main page?
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19:52.51khertan_Hi again
19:53.33khertan_Stskeeps: you should also stop metalayer-crawler and media*d with the mer installer
19:53.46khertan_as it can keep the sd card busy
19:53.52thopiekarsry here is the output from the terminal:
19:53.52thopiekarhttp://pastebin.com/d10103774
19:53.57woglinde_StOrM_NW yes
19:54.06khertan_hum ... my main computer is dead
19:54.10Stskeepskhertan_: ah, possible
19:54.13StskeepsJaffa: go for it
19:54.32khertan_the cpu is collapsed on the mainboard
19:54.45khertan_seems that the cpu fan died today
19:56.31khertan_installing Mer with a phone data connection is really slow
19:56.33khertan_:)
19:56.49khertan_specially with bad network coverage
19:56.55AStormkhertan_: my hsdpa is fine
19:56.58AStormah, then yeah
19:56.59AStorm:)
19:58.14khertan_82% ...
19:58.17JaffaStskeeps: done :-)
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19:59.08JaffaStskeeps: I'm trying to use Yahoo! Pipes on the Jaiku RSS feed to improve the quality of the output
20:00.39andre__thopiekar, googled for "pulsecore "ltdl.h: No such file or directory"" ?
20:01.21khertan_98% ....
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20:03.38thopiekarandre__: no it's even my 'first' build from a sourcepackage
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20:08.39thopiekarthanks andre__.. it seems that libltdl3-dev was missing...
20:08.56r2d2rogersStskeeps: digging into imager for the exclude, thanks
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20:09.42khertan_hum ... just a question about the mer install
20:09.52khertan_he ask me for a root password
20:10.04khertan_and then the xterm win closed itself
20:10.21khertan_is there nothing saying that the install is finished ?
20:10.22Stskeepsdid you use advanced or simple?
20:10.27khertan_simple
20:10.31Stskeepshmm
20:10.49khertan_i don't like this 'hmm'
20:10.54Stskeepskhertan_: give me a second :)
20:11.09khertan_i use it too frequently to say 1 min after ... it s a bug
20:11.14khertan_wait the next release :)
20:11.31Stskeepskhertan_: yeah, nothing's damaged just for good measure :)
20:11.55Stskeepskhertan_: open a x terminal and sudo gainroot, and then write refresh_bootmenu.d
20:12.06Stskeepsi assume you have installed the bootmenu before this
20:12.14khertan_yes of course :)
20:12.49thopiekarjust want to install mer on his device, to give the devs some feedback, but he don't know how...
20:12.53Stskeepsthis command will put the boot menu item into the bootmenu and restart
20:12.58r2d2rogersthopiekar: what device?
20:12.59Stskeepsthopiekar: you have VirtualBox on your PC?
20:13.02thopiekarN800
20:13.07Stskeepsthat way you can try it out too.
20:13.13thopiekarStskeeps: too
20:13.25thopiekarthanks
20:13.56khertan_Stskeeps: hum ... write ?
20:14.11khertan_lol as a dumb asshole i enter write as a commands ... lol
20:14.16khertan_i m really tired
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20:14.23Stskeepskhertan_: hehe, i know the feeling
20:14.48khertan_it ll flash initfs right ?
20:14.54Stskeepsyes
20:15.07Stskeepsit will update initfs with a new bootmenu configuration
20:15.07khertan_just to be sure :)
20:16.21khertan_something is strange about install_bootmenu.desktop ... i think a dependancy is missing ... as it try sudo gainroot ... and as i ven't it ...
20:16.33Stskeepsoh, do you have 'rootsh'?
20:16.37khertan_it wasn't work the first time :)
20:16.54r2d2rogersStskeeps: got a exclude in, will test before pushing it
20:16.56khertan_i ven't before launching bootmenu the first time
20:18.26khertan_by before i mean before launching the install of mer_***.deb
20:18.35Stskeeps*nod*
20:18.46khertan_reboot in progress
20:18.56khertan_arg ... delay is really short !
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20:19.13Stskeepsyes, it is :P if you have any problems, just say, i'll help :)
20:19.23khertan_ok ... i ll look
20:19.33khertan_'s nit is rebooting :)
20:19.48Stskeepskhertan_: did the "hold down menu key to get into boot menu" show up?
20:20.24Stskeepsr2d2rogers: compiling new omapfb btw
20:20.32khertan_yep ... but i ve got the time to do it ... it display the message ... then ... hop ... 1/2s after boot is on flash :)
20:20.42Stskeepshehe
20:20.46Stskeepsyeah, it's rather quick
20:20.56khertan_and the time to push the wrong hw button ... (home) ... :
20:21.05khertan_and realize i do a mistake :)
20:21.11r2d2rogersStskeeps: fun, should I try the advanced power package?
20:21.25Stskeepsr2d2rogers: we need hald-addon-bme to make sense of it :(
20:21.25khertan_third try :)
20:21.43khertan_grrrr stupid dpad
20:21.50khertan_need a 4th try
20:22.03khertan_isn't lucky today
20:22.03Stskeepskhertan_: i have popped my battery a many a time :P
20:22.24StOrM_NWis there some proc value that i can cat  to see the state of the battery?
20:22.34StskeepsStOrM_NW: lshal
20:22.40khertan_it s annoying to use menu button on n810 ... as it difficult to push the power button keyboard opened
20:22.48StOrM_NWthanks
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20:23.26khertan_hoho ... i clearly prefer the boot image of mer :)
20:24.46khertan_but it s clear too that the boot sequence is longer than maemo
20:24.52Stskeepsyeah
20:25.03Stskeepson the other hand, we're more flexible
20:25.06khertan_but for 1 min every month ... :)
20:25.08r2d2rogersStskeeps: so is the omapfb you are compiling the merged stuff from the pingu git repo you linked me to on the 16th?
20:25.16Stskeepsr2d2rogers: yeah
20:25.24r2d2rogers\o/
20:25.34r2d2rogerstakes that off his todo list
20:26.03khertan_hum ... qwerty keyboard
20:26.32khertan_and no î
20:26.36khertan_to enter my fullname
20:26.52Stskeepskhertan_: yeah, admittedly we're not that international yet :P
20:28.13khertan_humm ... it s seems that trying advanced-backlight rotate feature is a bad idea :)
20:28.18Stskeepskhertan_: yup
20:28.25Stskeepsim not sure why but it is ;)
20:29.03khertan_is trying to connect with ssh on a device not connected to the network :(
20:29.18khertan_on 0.6 there is no xterm ?
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20:29.27Stskeepsno, sadly not, but 0.7 will have it
20:29.27khertan_or shortcut to go in console ?
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20:29.49Stskeepsshortcut to go in console.. rotate button in advanced backlight
20:29.51Stskeeps;)
20:30.03khertan_nope ... i m staying with a nice picture
20:30.10Stskeepsah, then it doesnt update properly :P
20:30.25Stskeepsbut yes, a missing xterm was a huge problem
20:30.28Stskeepswe have it now though
20:31.11khertan_hum holding power button doesn't help
20:31.13Stskeepskhertan_: as it says, not expecting too much of it :)
20:31.45Stskeepsthe power button thing is actually a UI trick
20:31.45Stskeepspop the battery to reboot
20:31.46khertan_i know i should not expect too much
20:31.51khertan_but this is already clearly amazing
20:32.13khertan_and if i'm trying it this is entirely your fault ... with your screenshots ... :)
20:32.13Stskeepshehe, after making 100+ branches of stuff ;)
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20:32.41Stskeepswe hope that 0.7 will be a little more user friendly.
20:32.48Stskeepswith xterm, application manager, etc
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20:33.43Stskeepswb meiz
20:33.44khertan_there isn't any wifi yet ?
20:33.46StskeepsMeiz_n810: we have osso-xterm now
20:33.53Stskeepskhertan_: sure there is, isn't it in the top right corner?
20:34.00Meiz_n810say it in jaiku
20:34.04Meiz_n810saw
20:34.10JaffaYay, Yahoo! Pipes FTW
20:34.14StskeepsMeiz_n810: hehe, yeah, jaiku has been a bit wonking today
20:34.21khertan_sorry ... i ven't see that this is network connection icon
20:34.32Stskeepskhertan_: it's fine, we really need new icons for that thing :P
20:34.41Meiz_n810Stskeeps: i saw those messages on #merbuilder too :D
20:36.04JaffaStskeeps: author & date stamps now in "Latest Activity" bucket
20:36.09StskeepsJaffa: ta :)
20:36.23StskeepsJaffa: much appreciated, i don't own a shred of aesthetics :P
20:37.08Jaffaeagerly awaits his free copy of Mer as a "thank you" ;-)
20:37.33Stskeepshehe
20:38.35Stskeepstries to see if xserver-xorg-video-omapfb updates breaks everything
20:40.39Stskeepsr2d2rogers: i think synaptics mess up on n800 too
20:41.17r2d2rogersahha
20:41.30r2d2rogerstake it out and it works fine
20:41.36r2d2rogersconfirm in Xorg log
20:41.47Stskeepsyeah, it seems to load "no supported touchpad"
20:41.52r2d2rogersYup
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20:44.50Stskeepsi'll exclude both in n800 and 77
20:44.51Stskeeps0
20:45.36r2d2rogerscool
20:45.56Stskeepsxserver-xorg-input-synaptics xserver-xorg-input-all are the sinners, right?
20:45.58r2d2rogersI'll revert my change for the merge, as I think you have a better grasp of that part than I do
20:46.03r2d2rogersright,
20:46.16r2d2rogersbut do we need other drivers that the input-all pulls in?
20:46.28Stskeepsit removes this afterwards, so
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20:47.58Stskeepscommitted, pushed
20:48.23r2d2rogersbien
20:49.49r2d2rogersStskeeps: time fot apt-get update;apt-get upgrade?
20:49.56disco_stuqwerty12_N800, whats the name of the theme you are using in the screenshot of wmlbrowser
20:49.57disco_stu?
20:50.08Stskeepsr2d2rogers: go ahead
20:50.25qwerty12_N800disco_stu, tritanium
20:50.38disco_stuis very nice :)
20:51.35qwerty12_N800Yeah, a really nice theme by the lcars guys :). it's in extras
20:51.55r2d2rogersI just started using it <G>
20:53.22disco_stui spend the last 10 days in Chile on vacation
20:53.33disco_stuso i've lost the updates
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20:56.42r2d2rogersStskeeps: not working.
20:56.48r2d2rogerstrying to figure out logs now
20:56.49Stskeepsr2d2rogers: which is not working?
20:56.54r2d2rogersX
20:56.57Stskeepshm
20:58.21r2d2rogershttp://paste2.org/p/134710
20:59.18r2d2rogersxsession errors is huge
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20:59.57JaffaX-Fade/GeneralAntilles: ping
21:00.19Stskeepsr2d2rogers: reboot ideally
21:00.28r2d2rogerswill again
21:00.42GeneralAntillesPong
21:01.16Stskeepswoo, i made gnome-keyring shut up \o/
21:01.18r2d2rogersStskeeps: also see trac.tspre in /home/rd2rogers for xsession-errors20090123.txt
21:01.40JaffaGeneralAntilles: I've created a new article in the council blog folder but it's not appearing. I selected the 'council' category - is it just a case of being patient or have I done something wrong (or is something broken?)
21:02.05GeneralAntillesJaffa, stale cache?
21:02.08GeneralAntillesI see it in there.
21:02.14JaffaOh, cool
21:02.32GeneralAntillesYou've got an errant codebox in there, though.
21:02.35Stskeepsr2d2rogers: just dead X in there and your previous xsessions
21:03.04r2d2rogershmm
21:03.09JaffaGeneralAntilles: I still don't see it at all. If I drill down to the archive (a page I've never looked at), I can't see it there either.
21:03.16r2d2rogerswill try again if reboot doesn't work
21:03.24Stskeepsk
21:03.31GeneralAntilleshttp://maemo.org/community/council/council_election_voting-your_choice_to_act/
21:03.32Stskeepsotherwise we'll test with the old omapfb
21:04.18JaffaGeneralAntilles: hmm. OK, I'll fix the problems and try refreshing again later
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21:05.31r2d2rogersStskeeps: odd that it took two reboots to fix?
21:05.41r2d2rogersworking fine now
21:05.50Stskeepsr2d2rogers: we're approaching windows standards it seems..
21:05.55r2d2rogers:(
21:07.35r2d2rogerstrying application manager
21:07.50r2d2rogersno load...
21:08.01r2d2rogerswhat's needed for the screen rotate?
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21:08.18Stskeepsi'm honestly not sure - rotation enabled kernel, maybe X driver support
21:08.27Stskeepskulve: does xf86-video-omapfb do rotation?
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21:13.43radicfor what is observability.ko?
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21:13.53JaffaNokia's secret tracking module
21:14.04florianre
21:14.11lcukJaffa, very nice page layout :) especially impressed with the background styling
21:14.18JaffaThe GPS works perfectly, they only make it look crap so you won't suspect it being used to feed data to $YOUR_GOVTS_SECRET_KEEPERS
21:16.17Stskeepsgod, it's just so nice to have a working x terminal.
21:18.14RST38hbut defiitely less fun than having a working vt220 terminal at your bedside
21:18.24Stskeepsyes, you're right :P
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21:19.25RST38hOk, added virtual keyboard to Speccy and also fixed a few joystick problems
21:19.39RST38hNot sure if all virtual keys work but we will see
21:19.50woglinderst pandora?
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21:19.59RST38hwoglinde: ?
21:20.11woglinderst the machine you are working on
21:24.04qwerty12_N800RST38h, how long will it take you to add one to fMSX? :)
21:24.25qwerty12_N800Of course, not pushing or anything
21:26.18lcukRST38h, does the virtual keyboard do keyword expansion (ie "J" into LOAD) and shift P into " ?
21:26.32lcukor alt or whatever itwas
21:27.01lcukor are we working from spectrum +2 levels where people were truster to type their own keywords
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21:28.15Stskeepslo b-man
21:28.29b-manhello
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21:30.58b-manis going nutz because of an annoying "USB device not supported" notice..... he doesn't even have a usb device connected 0_o
21:31.30khertan_Stskeeps: does the wifi wep work on mer ?
21:31.37Stskeepskhertan_: should
21:31.44Stskeepswell
21:31.46Stskeepsi have tested WPA2.
21:31.57Stskeepswhich makes it awkward if WEP doesn't work :P
21:32.22khertan_yep
21:32.29khertan_i m not able to connect ...
21:32.50Stskeepsawkward then :)
21:33.34Stskeepsif it continues acting up file a bug so we can keep track of the weird things the versions exhibit
21:35.37RST38hqwerty: just an hour or so
21:35.53RST38hlcuk: I think you will have to hold Fn for SSHIFT
21:36.43radicqwerty12_N800: for what is observability.ko?
21:36.48qwerty12_N800RST38h, wicked, thank you.
21:36.56khertan_Stskeeps: i ll try to see if i ven't made any mistake ... and if this is not the case i ll fill a bug
21:36.59lcuki wonder how difficult it would be to make an actual rubber keyed spectrum act as a usb keyboard :)
21:37.15qwerty12_N800radic, no idea. run strings on it or something
21:38.11RST38hlcuk: Not difficult but bothersome
21:38.18radicqwerty12_N800: it lets my N800 crash
21:38.36r2d2rogerswonder if network manager could make the usbnet useable after booting, instead of selecting it at runtime
21:38.42lcukRST38h, ok, simpler, just a cleverly disguised overlay on my apple BT keyboard
21:39.27kulveStskeeps: I guess it's more up to the framebuffer below the x driver
21:39.39kulvexf86-video-omapfb doesn't do anything for it
21:39.39RST38hlcuk: It looks different =) And lags, too
21:39.57lcuklol @ the truth in that
21:40.01Stskeepskulve: alright
21:40.27Stskeepskulve: thanks for the answer :)
21:40.35RST38hlcuk: notice that speccy keyboard NEVER lagged!
21:40.37RST38h;)
21:40.46kulveI guess the x.org driver might (maybe, just guessing here) implement e.g. xrandr quite easily IF the lower level FB driver supports it
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21:41.12lcukRST38h, i have noticed an inverse corrolation between increasing computer speed and responsiveness :)
21:41.18brenojacHello
21:41.22StOrM_NWis there any tool that i can use that can do the same thing of hciconfig and pand?
21:41.47woglindestorm_nw under settings
21:41.51woglindeis the bt manager
21:42.14StOrM_NWanything that i can use without gui
21:42.15StOrM_NW?
21:42.22StOrM_NWterminal
21:42.25brenojacyes, but it's very important to have the command line tools itself
21:42.38brenojacwere they removed from the package bluez-utils?
21:42.44RST38hlcuk: Alas...
21:42.46woglindedont know if there are dbus commands
21:42.53RST38hAnyone knows GDK_ keycode for the CHR key?
21:44.21qwerty12_N800brenojac, install bluez-utils-test
21:44.29brenojacyes, great
21:44.35brenojacI found it on the web too
21:44.37brenojaclet me test
21:45.35qwerty12_N800RST38h, what's the xev output after pressing it (N800, so I can't do it)
21:45.37brenojacthanks a lot
21:45.40brenojaccheers
21:46.19StOrM_NWThe following packages have unmet dependencies.  bluez-utils-test: Depends: bluez-utils (= 3.28-0osso4) but 3.28-0osso6 is to be installed E: Broken packages
21:47.59StOrM_NWis it safe to remove the previous version of bluez-utils?
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21:50.55RST38hqwerty: Already found it, it is GDK_Multi_key
21:51.10RST38hqwerty: Will make it act as ALT or GRAPH on MSX
21:54.42qwerty12_N800RST38h, ah, cool
21:56.15khertan_stskeep : wpa works
21:56.30khertan_anyway it should be forbidden to use only wep :)
21:58.35Stskeepshehe
21:58.55khertan_hum ... can t ssh on it
21:59.17khertan_seems that password isn't recognize
22:00.03Stskeepstry with the first letter uppercase
22:00.07khertan_:)
22:00.53khertan_surely something related to qwerty ... number not working ...
22:00.54khertan_:)
22:00.57Stskeepshehe
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22:35.06jgwongHi, I've tried googling but found nothing useful -- is there a way to set up alarms (for alarmd) via command line?
22:36.50Stskeepsmorning johnx
22:44.10Jaffajgwong: someone (qwerty12?) wrote a little command line wrapper for it
22:44.52Stskeepsponders how to make a vmdk bootable from outside vmware
22:45.25JaffaProbably doable (assuming no massive h/w hardcoded dependencies) without some qemu-img or dd fun
22:45.43jgwongJaffa: Ah, do you have a link or something?
22:46.43JaffaErm, let me look.
22:52.26Jaffajgwong: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=255479&highlight=alarmd#post255479
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22:52.38jgwongJaffa: Rawesome, thanks!
22:54.42Stskeepswonders how a ifconfig eth0 down; ifconfig eth0 up cannot succed.
22:55.59Stskeepsmakes mental note of having to go into the office tomorrow.
22:56.13woglindehm
22:56.17woglindeits weekend
22:56.30GeneralAntillesThus the mental note, I'd hazard.
22:58.47r2d2rogersthinks about trying a usbnet connection between two 770s to share the wifi of the non-0mer unit
22:58.56GeneralAntillesStskeeps, can I move Mer_Blueprint to Mer?
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23:00.11JaffaRather than the other way round... that was bothering me, too.
23:00.33StskeepsGeneralAntilles: go ahead
23:03.06GeneralAntillesJaffa, can you make the Mer logo just a touch larger?
23:03.50Stskeepshah.
23:03.50Stskeepsnow that's a good thing to know
23:04.13JaffaGeneralAntilles: not yet, it's just ripped out of the logo wazd was using on tabletui.wordpress.com. I've asked him to send me a larger, transparent-backgrounded version
23:04.23Stskeepswhen the IP config of the server dies and has a bad default gateway, and the VMware instance (configured correctly) on top, can still ssh into the machine
23:04.24GeneralAntillesI'd also consider moving the Latest activity below the 4 icons and just making them 4x1.
23:04.31Stskeeps-> i don't have to go into the office tomorrow \o/
23:04.53GeneralAntillesLatest activity is too long compared to What next?
23:05.09JaffaGeneralAntilles: can't do that easily - on my window (approximating a 1024px width) you get 3 + 1.
23:05.52JaffaNumber of items, or font size, of Latest activity could be shrunk
23:06.05GeneralAntillesMaybe more text below What next?
23:06.10GeneralAntillesSome other section we could put in there?
23:06.26JaffaTo say what? Too much text and you turn people off - people won't look at anything above a certain amount.
23:06.38GeneralAntillesJust a paragraph
23:06.40GeneralAntillesTo balance it out.
23:06.44JaffaWhat's needed? Don't just put stuff there to fill whitespace ("don't be afraid of whitespace" someone clever said)
23:06.50GeneralAntillesThere's not much text on there, anyway.
23:07.38lcukhow does this wiki look on the tablet itself?
23:07.41Jaffa"News" would fit there wel
23:07.58Jaffalcuk: the boxes go to 1x4 and it all looks lovely (in both microb & webkit)
23:08.14lcuk:) good
23:08.28lcukvery important to have it working right on the intended device
23:10.32GeneralAntillesMer/About needs some more fleshing out.
23:11.27JaffaGeneralAntilles: tweaked the front page a little. Agreed on "/About" - most of it is just c&p from the previous homepage. Similarly most of the top-level pages could do with some more structure, I think. But I may be thinking too "traditionally"
23:11.27GeneralAntillesIt still leaves me wondering what exactly it _is_
23:11.51JaffaGeneralAntilles: At the moment, is it /actually/ clear what it is?
23:12.05GeneralAntillesI'm not sure
23:12.09GeneralAntilles_I_ know what it is
23:12.26GeneralAntillesBut my 2-person focus group was left confused by it just now.
23:12.30JaffaAt some point, it may be a Fremantle-compatible, partial backport to various mobile devices. At the moment, it's still very embryonic
23:12.36GeneralAntilles"But isn't that Mamona?"
23:12.57GeneralAntillesSome more specifics might help
23:12.58JaffaMaybe under "About" there should be a nice comparison table between Mer and Mamona.
23:12.58lcukjaffa, its a start :)
23:13.02lcukan idea
23:13.08JaffaIndeed.
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23:13.16GeneralAntillesJaffa, maybe, although I suspect most people wont have heard of Mamona
23:13.31GeneralAntillesI'd talk a bit about Hildon and Maemo technologies, mabye.
23:13.45lcuka logical distribution capable of getting the best out of our devices, now and in the future
23:13.52JaffaIndeed - the comparison is fairly easy, given Mamona seems to have been pretty much an INDt-only effort without any real community push or involvement.
23:14.02Jaffalcuk: "logical"?
23:14.15lcukyes, currently its illogical and incomplete
23:14.31lcukin some of the deeper respects
23:14.33JaffaGeneralAntilles: I notice your areas of interest include "PR" and "documentation" ;-)
23:14.55JaffaAh, "logical" compared with Maemo? Closer to a "typical" Linux distribution
23:15.21GeneralAntillesJaffa, yeah, I'm bouncing ideas around though. ;)
23:15.25lcukyes, perhaps my description is a bit off, the intent was there - not so many hacks and side stepping
23:15.56JaffaGeneralAntilles: At the moment, we should be careful about overselling to end-users
23:16.06GeneralAntillesJaffa, of course.
23:16.16GeneralAntillesI'd be the first one to recommend THAT. ;)
23:16.19Jaffa"About" should have a fairly clear up-to-date status of what works/doesn't. And a screenshot or two
23:16.20lcukpersonally, i think if mer does nothing more than confirm that its possible then i would say its role is complete, but community interest makes me think its role will grow :)
23:16.26JaffaGeneralAntilles: You'd *never* want end-users ;-)
23:16.26GeneralAntilles(er, not overselling to users)
23:16.40GeneralAntillesI want their money
23:16.46GeneralAntillesbut nothing else. ;)
23:16.50JaffaTroublesome things. Should be shot (after mugging, it appears ;-))
23:16.59GeneralAntillesOf course.
23:17.22Jaffalcuk's obviously got his eye on being a trendy designer. His "occupation" column is all lower case :-O
23:17.25GeneralAntillesUploading to Extras also needs an intro. . . .
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23:17.38lcukjaffa, its spending too long in unix
23:17.44lcukive stopped capitalizing ANYTHING ;)
23:18.13lcuki found out the other day sqlite is case sensitive - its the first db ive encountered that is :$
23:18.29JaffaSo is SQL Server
23:18.52Jaffa...we found this at work when playing with our new architecture the other week.
23:18.58lcuklooks funny, we use sqlserver2005 at work
23:19.00JaffaEasy fix, fortunately.
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23:19.24Jaffalcuk: maybe you always use the right table/column names?
23:19.25lcukthats gonna throw a spanner in cow orkers face
23:19.42arocsHi to all ...
23:19.49sp3000'tis what you get for orking cows
23:20.04lcuknever - camelcase everythign in construction and usually use all kinds of variation in queries
23:20.19JaffaHmm. Odd.
23:20.22lcukand jaffa, what about data
23:20.34lcukstring comparisons
23:20.40lcuki *know* thats not case sensitive
23:21.04JaffaDepends on the collation strategy, apparently. (Something I never knew until recently).
23:21.29JaffaThis is reminding me too much of work. </topic>
23:21.40lcukid remember if id set it, it must be default insensitive
23:21.48lcukahhh well
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23:34.20StskeepsJaffa: trying to see if i can autogenerate VMDK images, so (virtualbox can read those) :)
23:34.54JaffaCool.
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23:40.35arocsIn mer v0.6 distro ... how can i reboot / shutdown the operating system without entering in a root sesion ...?
23:41.55Stskeepsarocs: pop the battery :P
23:42.00arocsMy stand-by button is not working
23:42.28Stskeepsarocs: yeah, we need to build powerlaunch or the likes
23:42.34arocsPossible to install some aplication to get battery icon ?
23:42.39Stskeepswe're working on that part
23:42.52Stskeepsthat exact thing with the interface of stand by button and battery icon, is closed source, so :)
23:42.54arocsIf you need a beta tester ... ;)
23:43.43Stskeepshehe
23:44.16arocsYestarday i installed evince ... but no application appears in EXtras packages ...
23:45.03Stskeepsyeah, did you try to reboot? it sometimes requires that
23:45.14Stskeepshildon application manager which will be in 0.7 helps in that aspect :)
23:45.20arocsyes ... but no luck
23:46.21Stskeepssometimes it simply doesn't add itself to desktop files so
23:46.34arocsIs it possible to install some kind of xterm ... ?
23:46.51Stskeepsyes, apt-get install osso-xterm    :)
23:46.56Stskeepswe got it working today, so apt-get update
23:48.47arocsi will try
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23:55.54Stskeepsevening VDVsx
23:56.03VDVsxStskeeps, Hi
23:56.25jake42-2johnx,
23:56.47jake42-2r u here?
23:57.02VDVsxStskeeps, Today I start searching a little bit about debian armV4 :)
23:57.14Stskeepshehe, it's basically debian's armel port
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23:57.35VDVsxStskeeps, yup, but is already a lot of things done for openmoko :)
23:57.39VDVsxthat could help
23:57.42Stskeepsyeah
23:57.44jake42-2how may I check if my easy debian is the turbo version?
23:58.04Stskeepsi don't so much worry about the port itself, but some of the architectural differences between ubuntu and debian
23:58.24VDVsxStskeeps, mer is Ubuntu 8.10 ?
23:58.30Stskeepsubuntu jaunty
23:58.37VDVsx9.04
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