| 19:11.47 | *** join/#maemo infobot (i=ibot@rikers.org) |
| 19:11.47 | *** topic/#maemo is Web Design meeting January 27th @ 14:00 UTC in #maemo-meeting | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog |
| 19:11.52 | slonopotamus | ahh |
| 19:11.55 | johnx | lcuk, a dpkg-buildpackage follows the rules in debian/rules, which usually consist (very roughly) of calling ./configure && make && make install, then doing any debian specific shuffling about |
| 19:11.56 | lcuk | hello infobot |
| 19:11.58 | slonopotamus | i cured him |
| 19:11.59 | qwerty12_N800 | yay! |
| 19:11.59 | lardman | qwerty12_N800: horrible as always ;) |
| 19:12.14 | Stslap | yawns |
| 19:12.15 | qwerty12_N800 | ~hump qwerty12_N800 |
| 19:12.15 | lcuk | ahhh johnx, i thought it took preexisting stuff |
| 19:12.23 | slonopotamus | i told him to join #maemo |
| 19:12.27 | slonopotamus | :) |
| 19:12.37 | qwerty12_N800 | slonopotamus, wicked :) |
| 19:12.56 | johnx | ~lart the unbelievers |
| 19:12.56 | infobot | cuts off the unbelievers's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper |
| 19:13.00 | geers | Is there a sshfs applet for maemo? |
| 19:13.04 | qwerty12_N800 | lardman, hehe, you get used to it eventually :p |
| 19:13.05 | johnx | ~botsnack |
| 19:13.05 | infobot | aw, gee, johnx |
| 19:13.10 | slonopotamus | qwerty12_N800, uh? |
| 19:13.18 | johnx | geers, yes |
| 19:13.22 | Stslap | r2d2rogers: apologies, it's really stormy outside and i have to finish a paper today :) |
| 19:13.28 | Stslap | meant to go to restart it but forgot |
| 19:13.47 | qwerty12_N800 | slonopotamus, that you got 'im (or her looking at ~shag response...) back |
| 19:14.01 | slonopotamus | :) |
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| 19:14.50 | johnx | geers, I think it's in extras |
| 19:15.08 | qwerty12_N800 | But by doing so, you've sealed my fate because GeneralAntilles can now ~stab me :P |
| 19:15.32 | geers | Hmm guess I have to google it |
| 19:15.58 | lardman | hmm, it lies |
| 19:16.01 | johnx | geers, it's in the extras repository. do you have that enabled? |
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| 19:16.46 | slonopotamus | ~say hello, people |
| 19:16.47 | infobot | hello, people |
| 19:16.50 | vincenzo88 | Hello all :=) |
| 19:16.51 | slonopotamus | :) |
| 19:16.54 | geers | Yes |
| 19:17.05 | qwerty12_N800 | infobot, wipe me down |
| 19:17.06 | infobot | # dd if=/dev/zero of=me down |
| 19:17.18 | GeneralAntilles | ~stab qwerty12_N800 |
| 19:17.18 | infobot | ACTION runs at qwerty12_N800 with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 19:17.24 | johnx | geers, it won't show up in the application manager. try apt-cache search sshfs |
| 19:17.27 | qwerty12_N800 | Noooooo |
| 19:18.37 | geers | Ahh offcourse. But is this for diablo? |
| 19:19.06 | johnx | geers, yes |
| 19:19.42 | woglinde | ~mer |
| 19:19.43 | infobot | hmm... mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint_New and http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint |
| 19:19.57 | geers | Ok. Thanks. Igive it a try |
| 19:20.22 | johnx | infobot, mer is https://wiki.maemo.org/Mer |
| 19:20.22 | infobot | ...but mer is already something else... |
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| 19:20.38 | Stslap | infobot, no, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer |
| 19:20.39 | infobot | okay, Stslap |
| 19:20.39 | johnx | infobot, no, mer is https://wiki.maemo.org/Mer |
| 19:20.39 | infobot | okay, johnx |
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| 19:20.47 | woglinde | hihi |
| 19:20.48 | Stslap | http :P |
| 19:20.52 | johnx | eep O_o |
| 19:20.53 | johnx | sorry |
| 19:20.54 | Stslap | infobot, no, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer |
| 19:20.55 | infobot | Stslap: okay |
| 19:25.34 | x29a | why is infobot only in #maemo and not the others channels anymore? |
| 19:26.01 | Stslap | x29a: we had lost it for a bit too O_o |
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| 19:26.01 | qwerty12_N800 | because they haven't told him/her/it to come back |
| 19:29.38 | GeneralAntilles | infobot, join #debian |
| 19:29.52 | GeneralAntilles | x29a, it takes only that. |
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| 19:30.36 | Stslap | Jaffa: http://stskeeps.jaiku.com/presence/52095448 |
| 19:30.56 | Stslap | if you want to relay some things :) |
| 19:39.19 | Meiz_n810 | ? |
| 19:39.33 | Meiz_n810 | i didn't know ham is working |
| 19:39.35 | Meiz_n810 | :) |
| 19:40.28 | Stslap | so it is |
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| 19:43.11 | Stslap | but repository is down right now as it's snowing and windy outside :P |
| 19:44.15 | johnx | I keep telling you to take your server in from outside :D |
| 19:44.28 | Stslap | i know but the freezing cold keeps it running well |
| 19:44.35 | Stslap | :P |
| 19:44.47 | qwerty12_N800 | Evidently :p |
| 19:47.34 | lcuk | facepalms |
| 19:47.48 | lcuk | infact, its a double facepalm |
| 19:48.03 | lcuk | with glasses removed |
| 19:48.06 | lcuk | and a heavy sigh |
| 19:48.11 | qwerty12_N800 | 2 ascii facepalms coming up, no pastebin! |
| 19:48.31 | lcuk | watches qwerty get banned for flooding |
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| 19:52.31 | timeless | hello cruel world |
| 19:52.40 | timeless | i heard a rumor there's a fremantle sdk <something> |
| 19:52.41 | Stslap | evening timeless |
| 19:52.45 | timeless | what kind of something is it? |
| 19:52.48 | Stslap | timeless: second pre-alpha |
| 19:52.51 | timeless | and how do i get that something? |
| 19:52.58 | timeless | how do i get the first pre-alpha? |
| 19:53.05 | Stslap | maemo.org |
| 19:53.14 | Stslap | # First pre-alpha SDK, first report on API changes and beginning of weekly releases. Suitable for platform development only. December 2008. |
| 19:53.14 | Stslap | # Second pre-alpha SDK with Media Application Framework and more new platform components around January 2009. |
| 19:53.54 | RST38h | Ztz |
| 19:53.57 | RST38h | Sorry, Sts |
| 19:54.04 | Stslap | mm? |
| 19:54.15 | Stslap | but yes, i feel like a ztzzz atm |
| 19:54.20 | timeless | stslap: right, so how do i get alpha pre 1? |
| 19:54.46 | Stslap | timeless: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/first_maemo_5_sdk_release_targeting_platform_developers/ |
| 19:55.32 | timeless | can i use that to get pre1? |
| 19:55.34 | timeless | i don't want pre2 |
| 19:55.48 | Stslap | that's the pre-alpha we got, pre2 isn't out yet |
| 19:55.50 | timeless | oh |
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| 19:56.05 | Stslap | we're eagerly waiting though |
| 19:56.05 | timeless | so i'm *about* to run out of time |
| 19:56.38 | johnx | huh? run out of time for what now? |
| 19:56.44 | timeless | well |
| 19:56.46 | qwerty12_N800 | Even though you're timeless? |
| 19:56.51 | timeless | imagine you want to catalog each version of the sdk |
| 19:56.51 | lcuk | nokia has a pre? |
| 19:56.55 | timeless | http://repository.maemo.org/dists/ |
| 19:56.55 | lcuk | i thought that was palm |
| 19:56.57 | timeless | only has |
| 19:57.05 | timeless | maemo5.0/ |
| 19:57.08 | timeless | but it had: |
| 19:57.11 | timeless | maemo4.0-beta/ |
| 19:57.21 | timeless | which means there's no way for me to get older versions of 5.0 |
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| 19:57.25 | timeless | because they're not kept anywhere |
| 19:58.01 | johnx | ah. a noble goal |
| 19:58.02 | johnx | best of luck |
| 19:59.20 | johnx | huh...and archive.org appears to have stopped indexing that |
| 19:59.23 | johnx | interesting |
| 19:59.41 | timeless | robots.txt is powerful |
| 20:00.48 | johnx | some day ~1995 - 20xx will be a spectacular set of blank pages in lots of history books |
| 20:01.06 | johnx | "what were they doing then?" "oh, probably just watching TV." |
| 20:01.40 | lcuk | digital dark ages is real johnx |
| 20:01.48 | lcuk | people have nothing to show for the last 5 years |
| 20:01.59 | qwerty12_N800 | resents that. At least I use my tablet when sitting on my seat. |
| 20:01.59 | johnx | only way to avoid it is to keep your own data online :) |
| 20:02.51 | johnx | what will be most unfortunate is the lack of preserved copies of the news/blogs |
| 20:03.23 | johnx | already I'm having to do coordinated attacks on google cache / archive.org just to show people articles from a couple years ago |
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| 20:04.07 | GeneralAntilles | I like that I can't access the archives of the blog my friends and I kept in high school because the domain is owned by a squatter now. |
| 20:04.17 | lcuk | johnx, technically now its both easier and more difficult |
| 20:04.28 | timeless | yeah, i need to poison archive.org so my stuff will survive |
| 20:04.49 | lcuk | stuff that i knew i could go to the library and lookup is on the whole available online (sometimes behind secure walls, but its there) |
| 20:05.42 | johnx | to be an archaeologist in 100 years will be quite insane |
| 20:06.44 | johnx | "writing emulation software based on analysis of partially damaged binaries, 101" |
| 20:07.02 | lcuk | that problem already exists |
| 20:07.14 | lcuk | the rosetta stones are *ahem* key to that |
| 20:07.35 | johnx | heh...looking at the same software compiled for a different OS? |
| 20:07.49 | lcuk | no, languages in general |
| 20:08.24 | lcuk | the scaryest thing will be random pieces of printout found in the dig and trying to work out the programs functionality and purpose from that single page fragment |
| 20:08.43 | lcuk | and evading SCOs robot descendents while you are at it |
| 20:08.51 | johnx | we'll have emulators on emulators on emulators :) |
| 20:08.59 | lcuk | :) |
| 20:09.26 | johnx | just to try and open some 16 year old's poetry in word 6.0 .doc format |
| 20:09.33 | lcuk | running xephyr in scratchbox in linux in vmware in windows.. |
| 20:10.08 | lcuk | heh i dug out my cv a couple of months ago and it was in amipro format i think |
| 20:10.34 | johnx | I really do wonder how long NAND will actually last |
| 20:10.42 | johnx | retaining data I mean |
| 20:10.47 | qwerty12_N800 | wonders how much the age field was updated by :p |
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| 20:11.17 | dieb_ | hi. I can't manage to get maemo-select-menu-location working |
| 20:11.31 | lcuk | well qwerty, heres the filename CV_gary_birkett_v4_2008.doc |
| 20:11.42 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, hehe :P |
| 20:11.49 | dieb_ | I placed the .desktop file on /usr/share/applications/hildon and I am calling it manually and doesn't show anything on the device |
| 20:11.52 | dieb_ | (n810) |
| 20:11.53 | dieb_ | any tips? |
| 20:11.57 | lcuk | has only ever needed cv 4 times in his life :) |
| 20:12.10 | lcuk | dieb_, you dont call the .desktop file |
| 20:12.16 | lcuk | you call the binary or script |
| 20:12.30 | lcuk | if the .desktop references an osso service that must also be setup correctly |
| 20:12.35 | dieb_ | lcuk, sorry, i wrote wrong |
| 20:12.35 | lcuk | and the binary should register itself |
| 20:12.37 | qwerty12_N800 | dieb_, How are you invoking it? |
| 20:12.46 | lcuk | puts on his wizard hat |
| 20:12.48 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, not needed for ...-location |
| 20:12.49 | dieb_ | I'm calling maemo-select-menu-location mydesktop.desktop |
| 20:13.04 | lcuk | ahhh didnt see the first bit |
| 20:13.15 | dieb_ | lcuk, ;P |
| 20:13.17 | lcuk | did i get the rest right though? :D |
| 20:13.31 | qwerty12_N800 | dieb_, running as root? |
| 20:13.39 | dieb_ | qwerty12_N800, yes, as root or as user, both do not work |
| 20:14.05 | dieb_ | that .desktop just has Name, Exec, Type and Comment |
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| 20:17.21 | dieb_ | lcuk, some light please ;~ |
| 20:17.22 | radic | I need a how to about compiling and booting a new kernel for the N800 |
| 20:20.23 | dieb_ | qwerty12_N800, hi ? |
| 20:20.29 | johnx | radic, for n8x0? |
| 20:21.25 | radic | johnx: yes |
| 20:21.32 | johnx | radic, http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node12.html |
| 20:21.37 | qwerty12_N800 | dieb_, I don't know :). I just ran it on a already installed desktop file fine & I've used it successfully in all my postinsts before :) |
| 20:22.06 | dieb_ | not good (for me) |
| 20:22.21 | radic | johnx: have you ruby on your N8x0? |
| 20:22.27 | johnx | radic, I don't |
| 20:22.29 | dieb_ | qwerty12_N800, maybe my .desktop is invalid |
| 20:22.37 | dieb_ | is there any ref? |
| 20:22.54 | dieb_ | found it, nvm |
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| 20:26.18 | johnx | is having fun with remedial regexps |
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| 20:27.17 | dieb_ | qwerty12_N800, does it require an icon ? |
| 20:28.02 | qwerty12_N800 | dieb_, shouldn't do |
| 20:28.29 | qwerty12_N800 | If you can pastebin the desktop file, I can try it over here |
| 20:29.05 | Jaffa | X-Fade: what version of mediawiki are we using? |
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| 20:29.38 | dieb_ | qwerty12_N800, http://pastebin.embedded.ufcg.edu.br/17 |
| 20:32.13 | dieb_ | qwerty12_N800, damn |
| 20:32.21 | dieb_ | the problem was application and not Application |
| 20:32.54 | qwerty12_N800 | Case sensivity - always an annoyance :) |
| 20:32.59 | dieb_ | sorry about the time waste ;P |
| 20:35.17 | johnx | dieb_, no worries. i ask dumb questions all the time and they haven't kicked me out yet :) |
| 20:36.12 | GeneralAntilles | 00194FD422 |
| 20:36.15 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Version |
| 20:36.17 | dieb_ | johnx, glad to hear that |
| 20:39.34 | dieb_ | qwerty12_N800, after my tries |
| 20:39.41 | dieb_ | the menu has lots of dup items |
| 20:39.46 | dieb_ | how can I erase them ? ;p |
| 20:39.49 | Stslap | GeneralAntilles: trying to type your MAC? ;) |
| 20:40.59 | qwerty12_N800 | dieb_, no idea :/ |
| 20:41.04 | johnx | certainly looks that way :) |
| 20:41.04 | dieb_ | hahaha |
| 20:41.24 | dieb_ | maybe control panel |
| 20:41.55 | dieb_ | yay! thats it |
| 20:42.31 | Stskeepie | johnx: we need to look at control panel too |
| 20:42.32 | dieb_ | wtf, I can't remove apps |
| 20:42.55 | lcuk | dieb_ it sounds like you have made your n810 die_ |
| 20:43.12 | dieb_ | lcuk, :/ |
| 20:43.13 | johnx | Stskeepie, yeah. why do people have to fiddle with settings? why can't the defaults be good enough for them? |
| 20:43.22 | johnx | :P |
| 20:43.24 | lcuk | because we can |
| 20:43.29 | Stskeepie | honestly never looked at hildon control panel |
| 20:43.34 | Stskeepie | does it take python applets? |
| 20:43.43 | Jaffa | X-Fade: ping (another extension would be good: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImageMap ) |
| 20:44.08 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeepie, think it's C only... |
| 20:44.16 | Stskeepie | qwerty12_N800: we have to change that :P |
| 20:44.21 | johnx | geep O_o |
| 20:44.24 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe |
| 20:44.32 | Stskeepie | there's no real good reason why it shouldn't be just another personal menu like thing. |
| 20:45.28 | johnx | in fact, if the menu weren't so cramped or if we had a different launcher, there's no reason it couldn't be *part* of the main menu |
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| 20:46.28 | smackpotato | as to settings, if it ant broke your not trying |
| 20:47.00 | dieb_ | :( |
| 20:47.27 | radic | johnx: where are the kernel-modules located in OS2008? |
| 20:47.30 | johnx | dieb_, look for .desktop files that were created under /usr/share/applications/hildon |
| 20:47.45 | johnx | radic, /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/$(uname -r) |
| 20:47.48 | johnx | IIRC |
| 20:47.54 | dieb_ | that's the problem |
| 20:48.03 | dieb_ | johnx, no new .desktop files |
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| 20:48.16 | johnx | then you need to somehow refresh the menu to reflect that |
| 20:48.16 | dieb_ | I have 5 copies of my menu item |
| 20:48.18 | dieb_ | and one file |
| 20:48.20 | dieb_ | hmm |
| 20:48.21 | johnx | but I don't remember the command |
| 20:48.35 | johnx | mumble-buzz-update or somesuch |
| 20:48.43 | johnx | <- not helpful right now, sorry |
| 20:48.48 | dieb_ | haha |
| 20:48.49 | qwerty12_N800 | update-desktop-database |
| 20:49.15 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, one day your memory will go too :P |
| 20:50.01 | dieb_ | lol |
| 20:50.19 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe, jealousy in the old isn't a nice touch :P |
| 20:50.20 | dieb_ | yay! |
| 20:50.21 | dieb_ | worked |
| 20:50.27 | dieb_ | removed the .desktop and update-desktop-database |
| 20:50.28 | dieb_ | :) |
| 20:50.30 | dieb_ | thanks |
| 20:50.44 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, what was I jealous about again? and where the hell are my teeth? |
| 20:51.08 | dieb_ | shit |
| 20:51.20 | dieb_ | i tried adding it again |
| 20:51.21 | radic | johnx: is the USB-support compiled in the kernel? |
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| 20:51.27 | dieb_ | all 7 items got back to the menu |
| 20:51.27 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx, :P |
| 20:51.27 | dieb_ | haha |
| 20:51.48 | qwerty12_N800 | lol :/ |
| 20:52.21 | johnx | radic, the modules g_file_storage and g_serial contain much of the USB support. You should base your new configuration off of the old config file |
| 20:52.47 | radic | johnx: thx |
| 20:53.09 | radic | johnx: I have problemes withe a USB-hub that dosn't work |
| 20:53.17 | lardman | curses debian packaging and hits the sack |
| 20:53.19 | lardman | night all |
| 20:53.26 | radic | johnx: I thougth a new kernel will help |
| 20:53.26 | johnx | 'night lardman|gone |
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| 20:54.16 | qwerty12_N800 | radic, you may as well try disabling CONFIG_USB_OTG_WHITELIST |
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| 20:55.32 | zecrazytux | what is responsible for "n810 keyboard tip & tricks" under maemo ? that ain't related to the keymap, is it ? is that hildon-input-method ? |
| 20:56.41 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeepie, nah, another serial. ;) |
| 20:57.31 | Stskeepie | GeneralAntilles: did you see quim's response to firmware images btw? |
| 20:58.09 | johnx | ah right! I should finish that list (!!) |
| 20:58.15 | Stskeepie | no sleep for johnx |
| 20:58.36 | johnx | sorry? 'sleep'? Is that some Swedish word? |
| 20:58.52 | Stskeepie | hehe |
| 20:59.44 | r2d2rogers | Stskeepie: no worries, how's the paper going? |
| 20:59.59 | Stskeepie | r2d2rogers: 'When the centralized management suggests a plausible power saving measure to be deployed and such a power measure is deployed' .. |
| 21:00.00 | Stskeepie | :P |
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| 21:00.31 | qwerty12_N800 | pre-orders the book |
| 21:00.49 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, I hear it has a twist ending. won't spoil it though |
| 21:01.30 | qwerty12_N800 | takes johnx's teeth as punishment |
| 21:01.55 | johnx | nof my teef! |
| 21:02.15 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe |
| 21:02.37 | johnx | tells qwerty12_N800's mom :P |
| 21:02.49 | qwerty12_N800 | No! |
| 21:03.17 | qwerty12_N800 | returns the teeth :( |
| 21:03.20 | johnx | this'd be your third grand theft dentures, wouldn't it? |
| 21:03.53 | qwerty12_N800 | Yes :(. Dunno how I keep getting caught :( |
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| 21:06.06 | lcuk | if i wanted to setup a webserver in linux can i get it talking to a custom c library? (ie for certain types of files call into libliqbase or some derivative executed on server) ? |
| 21:06.26 | Stskeepie | lcuk: CGI? :P |
| 21:06.47 | lcuk | miami or new york? |
| 21:06.57 | qwerty12_N800 | east london |
| 21:07.01 | johnx | lcuk, CGI = just have it run some binary |
| 21:07.05 | lcuk | i thought cgi was something different |
| 21:07.08 | lcuk | ahhh |
| 21:07.28 | lcuk | :) thats great |
| 21:07.43 | johnx | lcuk.com/import-my-stuff.exe?my-new-file.liq |
| 21:07.55 | lcuk | if i upgraded my server box on liqbase.net does it just become another machien i can ssh into? |
| 21:08.31 | johnx | huh? I dunno what kind of hosting plan you have |
| 21:08.39 | johnx | so "it depends" |
| 21:08.47 | lcuk | unimportant ill pay what i have to if i have to |
| 21:08.54 | lcuk | as long as i can do that |
| 21:09.49 | lcuk | if i setup my old craptop as a headless box, is it apache that i install? |
| 21:09.59 | johnx | yeah, apache would be fine |
| 21:10.14 | lcuk | :) cool, cos i dont wanna have to reinvent everything ;) |
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| 21:10.15 | johnx | lighttpd is good too and faster and less stuff to *$&% around with |
| 21:10.31 | lcuk | i want/need databases and scalability though |
| 21:11.29 | johnx | it scales. lots of big sites running it, and yes, on most distros it's relatively easy to setup with sqlite or mysql |
| 21:11.54 | lcuk | ok, ill go with mysql for the real db, sqlite has scared me by being the only sql so far thats case sensitive |
| 21:12.18 | johnx | and lighttpd has a manageable config file. mucking about in apache is a little daunting at first |
| 21:12.36 | lcuk | what scripting can i do in light? |
| 21:12.41 | johnx | I mean, the config files are *clean* and they make sense, but there's just... a lot of them |
| 21:12.44 | RST38h | lcuk: please please please do not make liqbase depend on mysql |
| 21:12.46 | lcuk | or is that configurable/installable? |
| 21:12.55 | lcuk | RST38h, this is the server app |
| 21:12.59 | RST38h | ah |
| 21:12.59 | lcuk | nothing to do with client side :) |
| 21:13.02 | johnx | lcuk, you can have it run arbitrary scripts |
| 21:13.07 | RST38h | lcuk: no problem then =) |
| 21:13.31 | lcuk | RST38h, client side sqlite is the only feasible alternative |
| 21:13.36 | lcuk | option* |
| 21:13.52 | lcuk | johnx, i meant which languages |
| 21:13.58 | RST38h | Btw, anyone knows a how-to on making php scripts access files not available for direct download via http? |
| 21:14.08 | RST38h | i.e. apache should not be able to access them but php scripts should |
| 21:14.27 | johnx | RST38h, doesn't the php script run with apache's permissions? |
| 21:14.37 | RST38h | johnx: it does |
| 21:14.38 | lcuk | RST38h, same way as other things isnt it, store them in parent folders to the one needed |
| 21:14.42 | RST38h | that is the whole problem |
| 21:14.45 | lcuk | ie webserver is www |
| 21:15.05 | lcuk | database is still in your workspace but in "../data/mydatabase.sq" |
| 21:15.11 | RST38h | lcuk: Won't work as apache can't access these files and php runs with apache permissions |
| 21:15.23 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeepie, yes. |
| 21:15.31 | GeneralAntilles | Also: Woo! USB Model M. |
| 21:15.36 | lcuk | permissions like that are different to publically accessible folders |
| 21:16.02 | RST38h | ? |
| 21:16.45 | lcuk | the permissions apache has over the file system can be different to the set of visible folders being server |
| 21:16.46 | lcuk | d |
| 21:17.01 | lcuk | but im going off very old historical recolections |
| 21:17.07 | RST38h | I do not think so |
| 21:17.20 | johnx | generally in unix, servers are locked into a chroot jail |
| 21:17.22 | RST38h | Is there some howto I can read on this? |
| 21:17.46 | Stskeepie | GeneralAntilles: any suggestions of strategies for wishlist? we're thinking of doing "definately needed for initial image" "would be useful as part of firmware, but not required, to bring Mer/N8x0 experience close to the Maemo/N8x0" "could be useful for user to be able to download from a Nokia repository".. or something |
| 21:17.48 | johnx | RST38h, there is some exploit code :) |
| 21:18.58 | RST38h | johnx: Not really interested in exploits, just need to do a mechanism for safe software distribution |
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| 21:21.35 | lcuk | RST38h, on my webhost using ftp i can create a folder "privatebinaries". in php when i am running it, i can enumerate that folder. a web user cannot access that folders contents generically |
| 21:22.00 | lcuk | another example, i have a stats/ folder on my webserver. it accesses the logs/ folder which is nowhere to be seen |
| 21:22.10 | RST38h | lcuk: I have got a plain BSD machine with shell access |
| 21:22.22 | RST38h | so, basically, I need to figure out how to do it with permissions |
| 21:22.47 | lcuk | store your binaries away from webroot giving it apache user access rights |
| 21:22.58 | RST38h | aha |
| 21:23.03 | RST38h | interesting idea |
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| 21:23.21 | RST38h | but isn't this exploitable? |
| 21:23.40 | lcuk | how? if the user cannot even access or touch the files directly? |
| 21:23.48 | lcuk | if you make a bad script, sure its doable |
| 21:24.28 | RST38h | yea, but I am more cncerned about some specially designed URL |
| 21:24.39 | RST38h | that leads web server to my "safe" directory |
| 21:24.43 | RST38h | lemme try |
| 21:24.45 | lcuk | sanitize your inputs then :) download.php?file=../pr0n/clowns/midgets.avi |
| 21:25.04 | RST38h | urgh! was that a direct quote? =) |
| 21:25.10 | lcuk | lol |
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| 21:27.36 | lcuk | ok, should i tackle styling information first, or user input? |
| 21:27.48 | johnx | Does the 770 need any non-redistributable firmware besides the wifi firmware? |
| 21:28.11 | johnx | I can never remember if it needed something for bluetooth or not... |
| 21:30.40 | Stskeepie | johnx: i think there's a bc4fw.bin or something |
| 21:30.44 | r2d2rogers | johnx: Ibrf6150fw.bin |
| 21:30.52 | r2d2rogers | johnx: errr brf6150fw.bin |
| 21:30.55 | johnx | ah, great |
| 21:31.05 | johnx | well, not great, but good to know :) |
| 21:31.40 | Stskeepie | r2d2rogers: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-community/2009-January/002946.html , we're trying to lurk 770 under this too :P |
| 21:31.59 | r2d2rogers | \o/ |
| 21:33.00 | r2d2rogers | very nice |
| 21:33.24 | johnx | aaah, forgot all about DSP tasks |
| 21:33.31 | johnx | a whole new world of fun |
| 21:33.45 | r2d2rogers | I've been hunting around on the bluetooth and wifi areas since sapwood is fixed |
| 21:33.48 | r2d2rogers | Ah yeah |
| 21:33.54 | r2d2rogers | I'd love to have the sound work again ;) |
| 21:34.11 | johnx | I think someone is working on a non-dsp based alsa driver |
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| 21:36.01 | r2d2rogers | Is there any movement on trying to document/give credit/make known the efforts various people in the maemo community are active in? |
| 21:37.07 | Stskeepie | we don't have mer karma yet if that's what you're asking :) |
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| 21:38.31 | Stskeepie | r2d2rogers: btw, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Sprints , read through/send me a mail so we can just keep track of people :) (mainly to put on the participants list) |
| 21:39.02 | Stskeepie | hopefully we'll be able to give credit where credit is due using the sprints and the jaiku microblogs :P |
| 21:41.17 | r2d2rogers | Stskeepie: got a partly done email in drafts right now... interrupted... |
| 21:41.21 | johnx | does 770 have bme? |
| 21:42.02 | Stskeepie | johnx: think so |
| 21:42.15 | r2d2rogers | random google indicates yes |
| 21:42.18 | RST38h | lcuk: No, this does not work |
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| 21:42.24 | RST38h | lcuk: can't read such a file |
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| 21:43.05 | johnx | RST38h, you can't change the webserver config in any way? |
| 21:43.12 | arocs | Hi ... |
| 21:43.21 | johnx | hi arocs |
| 21:43.29 | lcuk | the principle does work RST38h im sorry if your specific doesnt :$ i dont know any details to help more than i have im afraid |
| 21:44.04 | arocs | Yesterday i saw that there is a new "distro" for N800 called MER ... What stage is this distro ? |
| 21:44.12 | johnx | IIRC, the idea is keep it under the webroot, but have the webserver deny direct access to that directory to someone requesting it |
| 21:44.35 | radic | qwerty12_N800: thx |
| 21:44.38 | Stskeepie | arocs: http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/screenshots/Screenshot-2.png for instance :) |
| 21:44.46 | johnx | is the DSP task loader closed? |
| 21:44.57 | Stskeepie | johnx: osso-dsp-loader is open AFAIK |
| 21:45.08 | arocs | Now i am installing it to my internal sd .... |
| 21:45.12 | Stskeepie | arocs: it runs on 770, n8x0, zaurus, x86 |
| 21:45.14 | arocs | Let's see ... |
| 21:45.15 | johnx | arocs, just starting to become interesting to people interested in testing or helping develop |
| 21:45.38 | arocs | It is a very interesing project ... i think ... |
| 21:46.28 | RST38h | johnx: I can but would prefer not to |
| 21:46.55 | RST38h | johnx: the other admin has got certain behavioral problems I would not like to encounter with |
| 21:47.03 | johnx | RST38h, been a long time since I maintained a web server, but I can't think of any other way to do it...which *doesn't* mean it can't be done |
| 21:47.19 | RST38h | oh I am sure it can be done, people do it all the time |
| 21:48.21 | johnx | RST38h, and it's done by configuring a path in the config, not some magic permissions |
| 21:48.41 | johnx | (80% assuredness factor) :) |
| 21:48.48 | arocs | Sound is working in MER? |
| 21:48.54 | johnx | arocs, nope :) |
| 21:49.26 | Stskeepie | arocs: we cannot distribute firmwares with closed source things just yet, but we are in good progress of discussing with Nokia on a way to do it :) |
| 21:49.40 | Stskeepie | arocs: Mer, btw :) |
| 21:49.43 | arocs | Sounds good |
| 21:49.55 | radic | repository.maemo.org couldn't resolved inside scratchbox |
| 21:50.20 | radic | /etc/resolve.conf points to the correct DNS-server |
| 21:50.24 | timelE61i | rAdic: /etc/nsswitch.conf + /etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:50.26 | qwerty12_N800 | radic, don't make a new target, DIABLO_ARMEL o ks fine |
| 21:50.31 | qwerty12_N800 | *works |
| 21:50.41 | johnx | prelimery wishlist - https://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Wishlist |
| 21:50.45 | timelE61i | If nsswitch doesn't say hosts: files dns |
| 21:50.52 | timelE61i | Resolv is ignored |
| 21:51.25 | arocs | Umm .. i have installed mer ... starting .... ;) |
| 21:52.05 | Stskeepie | arocs: hehe, good luck, hope you installed bootmenu and such :P |
| 21:52.17 | arocs | yes , with bootmenu |
| 21:52.45 | Stskeepie | johnx: think i'll edit it a bit tomorrow, as there could be some of the closed source parts of Nokia that could be nice to include |
| 21:52.50 | Stskeepie | i thought gizmo was OSS; heh |
| 21:53.01 | radic | qwerty12_N800: too late |
| 21:53.13 | r2d2rogers | arocs: 0.6? |
| 21:53.31 | radic | timelE61i: the line is included, but it dosn't works |
| 21:53.59 | arocs | I have yes ... |
| 21:54.10 | r2d2rogers | arocs: what tablet? |
| 21:54.15 | arocs | Now i am in the Choose device name screen proccess |
| 21:54.19 | arocs | N800 |
| 21:54.24 | Stskeepie | arocs: woo :) at least it boots |
| 21:54.45 | arocs | For now it is working ... slow but working |
| 21:54.59 | r2d2rogers | Cool! I know the 770 needs a newer image for that part |
| 21:55.18 | Stskeepie | arocs: yeah, our omapfb driver isn't that fast just yet :) |
| 21:56.12 | lcuk | adds more bacon to it |
| 21:56.42 | lcuk | i wonder if thats the magic ingredient in wd40: bacon grease |
| 21:56.54 | arocs | I have connectted to my home wifi router ... that is good start ... !!! |
| 21:57.06 | timelE61i | frowns |
| 21:57.17 | timelE61i | sorry, i need to order tickets for fosdem |
| 21:57.25 | lcuk | when is it? |
| 21:57.49 | arocs | What i see is that it is only maemopad application installed ... ins't it |
| 21:57.51 | lcuk | might try to do |
| 21:57.54 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/news/events/ |
| 21:58.12 | Stskeepie | timelE61i: to see fremantle on a beagleboard? ;) |
| 21:58.30 | Stskeepie | arocs: yes, initial image, next image at 1st february should include an application manager |
| 21:58.38 | Stskeepie | arocs: you can ssh into your tablet over wifi |
| 21:58.43 | Stskeepie | and use apt-get |
| 21:58.50 | arocs | ok |
| 21:58.59 | lcuk | ouchy, i might not have anything ready by then |
| 21:59.00 | Stskeepie | username root and password what you chose in installer :) |
| 21:59.09 | arocs | So it is possible to install programs .. .? |
| 21:59.27 | Stskeepie | yes |
| 21:59.31 | Stskeepie | apt-get zenity for instance :) |
| 21:59.38 | Stskeepie | apt-get install midori, i mean |
| 21:59.59 | arocs | ok |
| 22:00.04 | Stskeepie | (the menu point might first appear after a reboot.) |
| 22:02.25 | arocs | Any web browser working in mer? |
| 22:02.43 | johnx | midori works well |
| 22:03.41 | arocs | I am installing it , but get stuck in the apt-get ip : 91.189.88.36 ... no download |
| 22:04.00 | johnx | does it fail to connect or give you a 404? |
| 22:04.05 | arocs | now downloading ... |
| 22:04.16 | Stskeepie | arocs: there's a problem with mer repository but ubuntu repository should work.. |
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| 22:04.44 | arocs | What about a spreadsheet or abiword |
| 22:04.52 | Stskeepie | apt-get install abiword :) |
| 22:05.02 | arocs | That is easy ... |
| 22:05.12 | Stskeepie | we have all applications ported to ubuntu on arm, so |
| 22:05.15 | radic | Stskeepie: abiword is ported? |
| 22:05.23 | arocs | ok |
| 22:05.24 | johnx | I believe ubuntu's abiword should work. we'll be pulling over more maemo-ized stuff over time though |
| 22:05.24 | Stskeepie | radic: we don't even have to. it integrates quite well into hildon |
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| 22:08.12 | Stskeepie | i would show a screenshot but my server is down right now :) |
| 22:08.45 | arocs | I have installed mer in a 8gb sd card ... Is it possible to install mer in only 3 GB of this card .... ? |
| 22:09.05 | Stskeepie | arocs: yes, through the advanced mode, but it is a bit wonky at times |
| 22:09.05 | johnx | makes coffee and a package for xserver-kdrive-xfbdev |
| 22:09.25 | arocs | And the rest of the sd-card for fat ? |
| 22:09.53 | johnx | arocs, do you have a linux desktop? |
| 22:10.05 | arocs | yes |
| 22:10.18 | arocs | Ubuntu |
| 22:10.22 | johnx | reboot into maemo, and use gparted to resize the partition, then add another after it |
| 22:10.34 | johnx | system -> admin -> partition editor |
| 22:11.00 | johnx | errr...reboot into maemo, plug tablet into desktop via usb, *on the desktop* use gparted |
| 22:11.09 | johnx | <- needs that coffee, stat! |
| 22:12.07 | Jaffa | johnx: Mer_Wishlist should probably be moved to Mer/Wishlist |
| 22:12.22 | b-man | trashes gentoo install on his N800 to re-create a ubuntu rootfs.tar.gz because original tar.gz that he uploaded got corrupted somehow |
| 22:12.37 | Jaffa | johnx: Or even Mer/Proprietary_reuse_wishlist |
| 22:12.45 | johnx | Jaffa, would you mind? and/or what is the trick to moving things? |
| 22:12.55 | arocs | I am new with N800 , previously i have got a pocketpc Dell axim x51v ... But ... what i know is that inside omap processor is a 3d accelerator .. would be possible in the future to use it in MER ? |
| 22:12.58 | timelE61i | Can someone w/ microb try something for me? :) |
| 22:13.00 | Jaffa | has no idea; I'm going to click the "Move" button ;-) |
| 22:13.14 | Stskeepie | arocs: sadly only on OMAP3 probably |
| 22:13.24 | Stskeepie | arocs: MBX drivers has not been publicized |
| 22:13.30 | Stskeepie | (long discussion) |
| 22:13.48 | arocs | i see .. |
| 22:13.49 | Jaffa | johnx: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Nokia_wishlist |
| 22:14.29 | timelE61i | sts: yeah sure, why not? :) |
| 22:14.29 | Stskeepie | arocs: next nokia device has 3d acceleration |
| 22:15.22 | timelE61i | sts: all the better to render vaporware :) |
| 22:15.40 | arocs | But what i do not understand is that having 3d in the n800 , what happens to nokia that it is not use it ...!!! |
| 22:16.01 | Stskeepie | arocs: because it costs a lot of money to get a open source driver, probably :) |
| 22:16.06 | Stskeepie | arocs: and we're doing quite okay without it |
| 22:16.11 | Stskeepie | i mean, we're not playing quake 3 |
| 22:16.36 | Stskeepie | arocs: but trust me, this discussion about 3d on n8x0 has been going on for ages :) |
| 22:16.57 | arocs | yes , in my x51v i have got video accelerated by the 3d proccessor ... not only in games .. in videos |
| 22:16.57 | qwerty12_N800 | (and never led anywhere) |
| 22:17.44 | arocs | Sorry , i am new member of a second hand n800 ... Now .. i am not using my old x51v .. only my n800 ... |
| 22:18.16 | Stskeepie | hehe, quite addictive little buggers they are :) |
| 22:18.21 | timelE61i | sO... No one w/ microb willing to try something for me? :( |
| 22:19.09 | Stskeepie | timelE61i: what do you need tested? |
| 22:19.36 | timelE61i | 1. Google.com/search?q=hel+to+bru+2/6+to+2/8&hl=en |
| 22:19.49 | timelE61i | Click the expedia special search |
| 22:20.18 | lcuk | does anyone have any very short c code which shows how to programmatically bring up the hildon OSK? |
| 22:21.07 | timelE61i | lcuk: mxr garage osso-xterm |
| 22:21.13 | timelE61i | Search it :) |
| 22:21.33 | Stskeepie | timelE61i: and what am i looking for? |
| 22:21.36 | lcuk | mmmnmm thanks |
| 22:21.49 | timelE61i | sts: did the search load? |
| 22:21.54 | lcuk | searches for something he doesnt know the name of |
| 22:22.16 | timelE61i | Try hildon :) |
| 22:22.29 | Stskeepie | timelE61i: not sure i'm getting the expedia special search |
| 22:22.34 | timelE61i | osso-xterm shouldn't have many osso bits :) |
| 22:23.00 | timelE61i | Sts:the special search recognizes you're doing an airport path |
| 22:23.10 | arocs | Thanks for all ... |
| 22:23.14 | arocs | See you ... |
| 22:23.18 | Stskeepie | timelE61i, nop, sorry, not for me :P |
| 22:23.33 | timelE61i | Prefills the orig/dest+dates and has links for a bunch of links for search engines |
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| 22:23.57 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, a quick flick through : http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2009-January/053844.html may help |
| 22:24.54 | timelE61i | Sts: gah... |
| 22:25.32 | timelE61i | oh oops |
| 22:25.48 | timelE61i | 1. Google.com/search?q=fly+hel+to+bru+2/6+to+2/8&hl=en |
| 22:25.56 | RST38h | All right, a few more motions and I will have a virtual keyboard in Speccy and fMSX on Maemo |
| 22:25.58 | timelE61i | forgot the verb |
| 22:26.44 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, I'll be in your debt forever for vkb in fMSX :) |
| 22:27.10 | timelE61i | sts: try again ? :) |
| 22:27.16 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, :) thank you spot on. it shows it prefers a gtk window |
| 22:27.29 | lcuk | curses and gets back to his keyboard ;) |
| 22:27.45 | qwerty12_N800 | :) |
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| 22:29.25 | Jake42-2 | hi guys |
| 22:29.42 | Jake42-2 | I would need some help in compiling with maemo SDK... |
| 22:30.39 | Jake42-2 | how may I start compiling? |
| 22:30.52 | Stskeepie | there's a large amount of training material on the maemo.org site |
| 22:31.24 | Jake42-2 | I know |
| 22:31.32 | Jake42-2 | right now I study http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/README.html |
| 22:31.56 | Jake42-2 | but... I just want to implement the php5-mysql which is a lib |
| 22:32.02 | Jake42-2 | and doesn't need GUI |
| 22:32.19 | Jake42-2 | isn't there anyway just to compile the source code from debian? |
| 22:32.24 | Jake42-2 | *any way |
| 22:34.23 | Jake42-2 | Stskeepie can you help a little bit more? |
| 22:34.43 | Stskeepie | if you write my academic paper on pervasive positioning within the next 6 hours, sure. |
| 22:35.15 | Jake42-2 | ... :( |
| 22:35.19 | Jake42-2 | too bad.... |
| 22:35.22 | Jake42-2 | just 1 think |
| 22:35.30 | Jake42-2 | what is the target file |
| 22:35.36 | Jake42-2 | that I need to make |
| 22:35.39 | Jake42-2 | armel? |
| 22:35.46 | Stskeepie | yes. |
| 22:35.48 | Jake42-2 | (in order to run the package in N810) |
| 22:35.50 | Jake42-2 | ok |
| 22:35.56 | Jake42-2 | and at the final step |
| 22:36.09 | Jake42-2 | a file named aaa. (suffix?) |
| 22:36.16 | Jake42-2 | would be produced? |
| 22:36.23 | Stskeepie | deb.. |
| 22:36.41 | Jake42-2 | but the ordinary deb file for armel doesn't work... |
| 22:37.22 | Stskeepie | grabs the bacon chips |
| 22:38.04 | Jake42-2 | http://packages.debian.org/sid/armel/php5-mysql/download |
| 22:38.11 | Jake42-2 | this one isn't enough :( |
| 22:38.19 | Jake42-2 | what else should I do? |
| 22:38.54 | lcuk | run mysql on server, use when in wifi range :D |
| 22:39.02 | Jake42-2 | I know that... |
| 22:39.11 | Jake42-2 | I already have done it |
| 22:39.22 | GeneralAntilles | Matroska is an irritating container. |
| 22:39.28 | Jake42-2 | but the mobile device should be able |
| 22:39.46 | Jake42-2 | to run in a non-wifi environment, as well |
| 22:40.41 | Jake42-2 | lcuk can you help me a little? |
| 22:40.46 | lcuk | the same is true for the operator as well, its not something we do often, normally database work on the device is done with sqlite. development assumes you are a knowledgable person who understands compilation and building apps, scratchbox has lots of information and documentation |
| 22:40.58 | Stskeepie | timelE61i: very annoying flash banner |
| 22:41.16 | Stskeepie | trying without FTW |
| 22:41.42 | Stskeepie | timelE61i: non-stop finnair 372$ |
| 22:41.56 | Jake42-2 | lcuk you are right, but in greek universities the Professor just assign the jobs.... (NO help) |
| 22:42.12 | timelyx | sts: when we tried w/ microb |
| 22:42.19 | timelyx | we got a page that never finished loading |
| 22:42.20 | Jake42-2 | and even more.... even himself doesn't know the difficulty of the assignment |
| 22:42.21 | lcuk | in english universities the students study to learn |
| 22:42.54 | Stskeepie | timelyx: weird, works fine here |
| 22:43.01 | Jake42-2 | I had to learn maemo compiling in less than 2 weeks.... |
| 22:43.06 | Jake42-2 | sounds good? |
| 22:43.36 | Jake42-2 | (for me it's impossible... but I just try to accomplish...) |
| 22:43.57 | qwerty12_N800 | 2 weeks is plenty to read the stuff off www.maemo.org & www.google.com |
| 22:44.07 | lcuk | if you are a developer used to the language and build methods of linux and creating apps and knowing the libraries, then 2 weeks is a reasonable time. however if you dont know or understand anything about general linux building methods or the languages or libraries you are using it could take a lot longer |
| 22:44.51 | Jake42-2 | I am not a developer, and also I have extra lessons to study as well |
| 22:44.51 | timelE61i | oR you could python :) |
| 22:45.19 | timelE61i | + use |
| 22:45.38 | lcuk | Jake42-2, are you the only one in your class who is doing this assignment? |
| 22:45.45 | RST38h | So, no longer compiling mysql? =) |
| 22:45.49 | lcuk | ie: teamwork |
| 22:45.51 | Jake42-2 | I spill time |
| 22:45.57 | Jake42-2 | RST38h no |
| 22:46.08 | Jaffa | Right. Bed time. Work in progress for new Mer homepage: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jaffa/Mer_homepage - anything which is currently on http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer which isn't on that page will be moving to new pages (Mer/About and Mer/Get_involved and Mer/Development) |
| 22:46.09 | Jake42-2 | I want to go as far as it is possible |
| 22:46.11 | RST38h | Good. |
| 22:46.30 | Jake42-2 | so.... |
| 22:46.31 | lcuk | Jake42-2, then please open #gentoo and get moving :) |
| 22:46.39 | Jake42-2 | ?????????? |
| 22:46.39 | johnx | Jaffa, that looks nice! |
| 22:46.58 | Jake42-2 | lcuk why???? I don't understand... |
| 22:47.01 | Jaffa | johnx: the "Development" button will change colour, cos it clashes with the blue of the logo. |
| 22:47.17 | VDVsx | Jaffa, nice work :) |
| 22:47.23 | Stskeepie | Jaffa: we need something to deal with participants or something |
| 22:47.35 | Stskeepie | as we have a participants list on the page right now |
| 22:47.45 | *** join/#maemo pyfg (n=this@194.197.235.61) |
| 22:47.46 | Stskeepie | maybe a "People" or something :P |
| 22:47.48 | Jaffa | Stskeepie: yes, that'll be on one of the sub-pages (or perhaps two) |
| 22:47.51 | Stskeepie | k |
| 22:48.09 | Jaffa | A summary list of people might not be a bad idea, I'll ponder. |
| 22:48.11 | Jake42-2 | does anyone knows why the http://packages.debian.org/sid/armel/php5-mysql/download isn't good for N810???? |
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| 22:48.23 | Jaffa | No content will be lost :) |
| 22:48.28 | johnx | Jake42-2, because the binary is for debian, not maemo. |
| 22:48.38 | Stskeepie | believes in making the list of people at least a sub page, as recognition for the work done is good, and may be used as a motivator :P |
| 22:48.38 | VDVsx | Jaffa, "people involved" for e.g |
| 22:48.55 | johnx | Jake42-2, why did you quite using easy debian? that's the quickest route to reach your goal |
| 22:49.01 | Jaffa | Stskeepie: indeed |
| 22:49.08 | Jake42-2 | johnx I don't know how |
| 22:49.10 | Stskeepie | as in, i'd be able to point to Mer on my CV and say, I worked on this |
| 22:49.13 | Jake42-2 | give me some directions |
| 22:49.24 | johnx | Jake42-2, this isn't my project. I already quit college |
| 22:49.39 | Jaffa | ***omepage - anything which is currently on http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer which isn't on that page will be moving to new pages (Mer/About and Mer/Get_involved and Mer/Development) *** |
| 22:49.39 | Jake42-2 | :( |
| 22:49.47 | Stskeepie | alright |
| 22:49.54 | Jake42-2 | you told me to install the php |
| 22:50.08 | Jake42-2 | and all the staff on easy debian |
| 22:50.10 | Jake42-2 | ok... |
| 22:50.17 | Jake42-2 | but the reposotory is blank |
| 22:50.18 | Stskeepie | Jaffa: besides that, looks brilliant : |
| 22:50.20 | Stskeepie | :) |
| 22:50.25 | Jake42-2 | how should I stuff it? |
| 22:51.17 | johnx | Jake42-2, install the latest easy debian 'turbo edition.' it has the sources.list setup |
| 22:51.37 | VDVsx | a index of all pages about Mer will be useful too |
| 22:51.55 | Jake42-2 | I installed it |
| 22:52.13 | Jake42-2 | but it is empty |
| 22:52.21 | johnx | Jake42-2, then something went wrong |
| 22:52.31 | Jake42-2 | (does it "use" the same repo as maemo?) |
| 22:52.36 | johnx | no |
| 22:52.40 | Jake42-2 | [is there any way to recall the repo?] |
| 22:53.07 | johnx | try adding this to sources.list: |
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| 22:53.35 | johnx | deb http://ftp.gr.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
| 22:55.54 | Jake42-2 | in easy debian |
| 22:56.04 | Jake42-2 | which combination is the ESC ? |
| 22:56.30 | johnx | the "back arrow" button on the left of your n810, next to the screen |
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| 22:57.23 | Jake42-2 | aaaaaaaaa yes... right... |
| 22:58.30 | Jake42-2 | now |
| 22:58.36 | Jake42-2 | apt-get update |
| 22:58.37 | Jake42-2 | ? |
| 22:59.27 | johnx | yes |
| 22:59.48 | Jake42-2 | E: some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead |
| 22:59.54 | Jake42-2 | is it "normal" to happen? |
| 22:59.58 | johnx | no |
| 23:00.45 | Jake42-2 | my sources.list |
| 23:00.50 | johnx | that's probably not the right line for sources.list or you didn't put it in quite right |
| 23:00.53 | Jake42-2 | has only the one line you told me |
| 23:01.08 | johnx | try removing the gr. |
| 23:01.38 | johnx | or ya'know look it up somewhere |
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| 23:03.30 | Jake42-2 | some errors again... |
| 23:03.33 | LinuxHack3r | sisto: It shipped today! Much quicker than I expected. |
| 23:03.43 | Jake42-2 | how may I unistall easy debian |
| 23:03.47 | Jake42-2 | and reinstall it again? |
| 23:04.35 | johnx | Jake42-2, there should be info in the thread |
| 23:04.51 | Jake42-2 | rm -r /debian |
| 23:04.54 | Jake42-2 | isn't enough? |
| 23:05.12 | johnx | I don't know. if you know how to get rid of it, why are you asking me? |
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| 23:06.31 | Jake42-2 | hmmm |
| 23:06.50 | Jake42-2 | Is there any way to "format" the whole N810 |
| 23:07.04 | Jake42-2 | and to recall it to the manufacturer condition? |
| 23:07.59 | johnx | yes |
| 23:08.01 | johnx | ~flashing |
| 23:08.02 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 23:08.03 | *** part/#maemo LinuxHack3r (n=matt@68-114-163-167.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) |
| 23:08.20 | johnx | but that doesn't remove the contents of the internal memory card |
| 23:09.54 | Jake42-2 | ok |
| 23:10.00 | Jake42-2 | I'll search about it |
| 23:10.02 | Jake42-2 | now.. |
| 23:10.14 | Jake42-2 | let's say I install again the easy debian |
| 23:10.26 | Jake42-2 | does it support every package of debian etch? |
| 23:10.33 | johnx | yes |
| 23:10.52 | Jake42-2 | REAAAAAAAAALLY???? |
| 23:11.05 | Jake42-2 | (I would be able to install LAMP????) |
| 23:11.28 | johnx | yes. that's why I tried to convince you to use it |
| 23:11.37 | johnx | then you gave up, so I tried to help you with lighttpd |
| 23:12.04 | Jake42-2 | I tried many times |
| 23:12.15 | johnx | if you give up every time you run into a small problem you won't get anywhere |
| 23:12.20 | Jake42-2 | in fact I was so happy when I saw on youtube the easy debian install |
| 23:12.22 | johnx | pick *one track* and try and follow through |
| 23:12.50 | Jake42-2 | I will include the #maemo |
| 23:12.55 | Jake42-2 | as my refferals :D |
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| 23:13.47 | johnx | heh |
| 23:14.24 | Jake42-2 | so... |
| 23:14.33 | Jake42-2 | I'll try to flash the N810 |
| 23:14.41 | Jake42-2 | is there any case to be bricked? |
| 23:14.50 | johnx | no |
| 23:15.29 | Jake42-2 | the problem you reffered with the internal memory? |
| 23:16.04 | johnx | delete the files on it or format it before you flash |
| 23:16.45 | Jake42-2 | ok |
| 23:16.48 | Jake42-2 | I'll try it |
| 23:16.51 | Jake42-2 | thanx a lot!! |
| 23:16.58 | sisto | LinuxCode: hooray! |
| 23:17.03 | sisto | LinuxCode: sorry |
| 23:17.06 | LinuxCode | ;-D |
| 23:17.07 | Jake42-2 | bbbb |
| 23:17.19 | sisto | LinuxCode: lol |
| 23:17.32 | LinuxCode | glad the device is on its way though |
| 23:17.42 | LinuxCode | although i dont know what for a device |
| 23:18.05 | LinuxCode | as long as its not nuclear and being sent to his neighborhood |
| 23:18.17 | LinuxCode | im happy for you |
| 23:18.18 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
| 23:18.29 | sisto | LinuxCode: not me |
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| 23:18.41 | Pavlz | hello |
| 23:18.44 | Pavlz | i |
| 23:18.46 | sisto | linuxhacker wanted to buy an n810 |
| 23:18.51 | LinuxCode | ahh sweet |
| 23:19.00 | sisto | and i recommended him a site |
| 23:19.01 | sisto | jr.com |
| 23:19.03 | LinuxCode | arent we all waiting for the 3g version though ? |
| 23:19.12 | sisto | and he purchased it there but it was backordered |
| 23:19.16 | sisto | so he had to wait |
| 23:19.18 | LinuxCode | ahh i see |
| 23:19.24 | Pavlz | i need a program to record with nokia 770 |
| 23:19.26 | LinuxCode | ;-} |
| 23:19.31 | sisto | 3g when?!?!??! |
| 23:19.36 | sisto | i want |
| 23:19.45 | LinuxCode | sisto, rx-51/52 ? cant remmeber will have 3g |
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| 23:19.57 | LinuxCode | ari confimred that there will be a 3g version |
| 23:20.14 | sisto | what is rx-51/52? |
| 23:20.18 | LinuxCode | there was an article in LinuxFormat UK |
| 23:20.39 | sisto | nice |
| 23:20.43 | LinuxCode | cant remember if it was 51 or 52 ..but apparently those are the model numbers when they havent got a final name yet |
| 23:20.57 | lcuk | shaves LinuxCode's eyebrow |
| 23:20.59 | LinuxCode | i think GeneralAntilles mentioned it |
| 23:21.04 | LinuxCode | lcuk, hi |
| 23:21.11 | lcuk | ello |
| 23:21.17 | LinuxCode | how you keeping mate ? |
| 23:21.17 | lcuk | hows it goin |
| 23:21.20 | LinuxCode | haha |
| 23:21.21 | LinuxCode | jinx |
| 23:21.21 | lcuk | im good i think |
| 23:21.35 | lcuk | not gettin enough sleep though |
| 23:21.37 | LinuxCode | im looking at making fedora-business-card templates atm |
| 23:21.40 | LinuxCode | sec |
| 23:21.58 | sisto | LinuxCode: you put me in a dilema |
| 23:22.08 | LinuxCode | sisto, I know what you will say! |
| 23:22.30 | lcuk | yawns |
| 23:22.36 | LinuxCode | lcuk, want to add templates for the creator so people in Germany and the Uk have a place to get prints |
| 23:22.38 | sisto | yes |
| 23:22.50 | LinuxCode | lcuk, hows your project going ? |
| 23:23.18 | sisto | i'm traveling to USA on february and was planning on buying an n810 |
| 23:23.29 | LinuxCode | sisto, are you based in Europe ? |
| 23:23.31 | sisto | but i don't know when i will have another chance to buy a device |
| 23:23.35 | sisto | in south america |
| 23:23.38 | LinuxCode | ohh i see |
| 23:23.49 | LinuxCode | i heard they rip you guys off |
| 23:23.58 | sisto | yea |
| 23:24.15 | sisto | n95 used to cost 1000 dollars when it was out |
| 23:24.38 | LinuxCode | well I expect the n900 or whatever it will be in the end |
| 23:24.44 | LinuxCode | will be more costly ... |
| 23:24.54 | LinuxCode | patent restrictions for components |
| 23:25.00 | sisto | but those devices don't come here |
| 23:25.01 | LinuxCode | costs money for licenses |
| 23:25.04 | *** join/#maemo ds3 (i=noinf@netblock-66-245-251-24.dslextreme.com) |
| 23:25.22 | sisto | so i have to take the opportunity and buy one |
| 23:25.38 | sisto | n810 is kinda cheap now i think |
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| 23:25.44 | sisto | i saw it for 250 bucks |
| 23:25.46 | sisto | new |
| 23:26.27 | sisto | LinuxCode: which 1 do u have? |
| 23:26.46 | GeneralAntilles | LinuxCode, those are the model numbers period. ;) |
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| 23:26.54 | GeneralAntilles | RX-51 |
| 23:27.01 | GeneralAntilles | and it'll be the only model so far as we know. |
| 23:27.19 | sisto | here: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080918-nokia-unveils-maemo-roadmap-plans-for-3g-internet-tablet.html |
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| 23:27.24 | sisto | nice! |
| 23:27.39 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/ |
| 23:28.00 | sisto | "Nokia has become today the first to contribute code on HSPA cellular connectivity for OMAP3 processor to Linux kernel," |
| 23:28.06 | sisto | it seems it will have an omap cpu |
| 23:28.11 | sisto | instead of ARM |
| 23:28.15 | GeneralAntilles | Er |
| 23:28.18 | GeneralAntilles | OMAP is ARM |
| 23:28.21 | GeneralAntilles | It's what we have now |
| 23:28.25 | GeneralAntilles | and it's what we've always had. |
| 23:28.26 | sisto | what?!!??! |
| 23:28.43 | sisto | crazy |
| 23:28.46 | sisto | :) |
| 23:28.48 | GeneralAntilles | http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12643&contentId=14649 |
| 23:28.48 | lcuk | LinuxCode, very well indeed :) |
| 23:28.57 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, OMAP36x |
| 23:28.59 | GeneralAntilles | That's new. |
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| 23:29.10 | lcuk | growing in confidence each day i straighten something out |
| 23:29.44 | sisto | OMAP3440 = 800 mhz |
| 23:29.48 | sisto | sweet |
| 23:29.53 | sisto | please use that one :P |
| 23:29.57 | GeneralAntilles | sisto, that's a MID CPU |
| 23:30.03 | GeneralAntilles | Way more power hungry than the OMAP3430 |
| 23:30.20 | lcuk | sisto, why - what would you do with all that power? |
| 23:30.31 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm |
| 23:30.32 | sisto | take over the world? |
| 23:30.49 | GeneralAntilles | OMAP36x may very well be what they push for ARM netbooks. . . . |
| 23:31.16 | lcuk | sisto, that 800mhz is faster than my full tabletpc runs |
| 23:31.31 | lcuk | i want a small device with a long life |
| 23:31.55 | lcuk | not a pocketwarmer |
| 23:32.04 | sisto | how many mhz does the OMAP3430 have? |
| 23:32.06 | johnx | lcuk++ |
| 23:32.06 | lcuk | though thats a cool mode |
| 23:32.19 | GeneralAntilles | 600MHz |
| 23:32.20 | lcuk | more than enough :) |
| 23:32.26 | lcuk | this 400mhz does me quite nicely |
| 23:32.27 | sisto | just like the iphone |
| 23:32.34 | GeneralAntilles | sisto, pfft |
| 23:32.37 | GeneralAntilles | Screw the iPhone |
| 23:32.39 | GeneralAntilles | Cortex, baby. |
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| 23:32.55 | lcuk | can i invoke rule 34 or whatever it is on that gan |
| 23:33.01 | GeneralAntilles | We're in the ballpark of twice as fast as the iPhone. |
| 23:33.12 | wazd_n800 | I'm baaack :) |
| 23:33.14 | GeneralAntilles | "or whatever it is" |
| 23:33.17 | sisto | this is the iphone: http://www.arm.com/products/CPUs/ARM1176.html |
| 23:33.19 | GeneralAntilles | Like you don't know. :P |
| 23:33.29 | lcuk | :D |
| 23:33.37 | sisto | GeneralAntilles: wow |
| 23:33.51 | GeneralAntilles | Cortax A8 is 2-3x faster than ARM11 |
| 23:34.13 | GeneralAntilles | So a 600MHz Cortax A8 is approximately equivalent to a >1GHz ARM11 on average. |
| 23:34.22 | wazd_n800 | I'm starting to hate a bit russian tablet forums |
| 23:34.26 | johnx | careful with those benchmarks cowboy :P |
| 23:34.41 | qwerty12_N800 | hi wazd_n800 |
| 23:34.42 | lcuk | sisto, the problem is, with ANY cpu speed you can overload the processor and make it slow, far cry etc show this time and again. now recall computers of old which were fast and slick and responsive. they did that on no more than a few mhz |
| 23:35.14 | wazd_n800 | qwerty12_N800, hey, have you hildonized x-chat btw?) |
| 23:35.19 | lcuk | you simply should not rate the speed of a computer on its cpu speed |
| 23:35.32 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, careful what? |
| 23:35.41 | qwerty12_N800 | wazd_n800, it's been done (but not by me :)) |
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| 23:35.55 | sisto | that means the iphone just has a very responsive UI |
| 23:35.57 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, these numbers are corroborated by a TI engineer and several other people who would know. |
| 23:35.59 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, with giving general benchmark numbers :) |
| 23:36.07 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, for *benchmarks only* |
| 23:36.11 | wazd_n800 | qwerty12_N800, oh, I thought somehow that you did it) |
| 23:36.18 | GeneralAntilles | Approximate equivalents on average |
| 23:36.24 | GeneralAntilles | I dunno what's to take issue with. |
| 23:36.25 | sisto | lol |
| 23:36.48 | sisto | fan made benchmarks :P |
| 23:36.53 | johnx | just saying, I doubt everything is actually going to run 2-3 times faster |
| 23:36.56 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, sure, but people who know can derive useful things based on those numbers. |
| 23:37.01 | wazd_n800 | sisto: iPhone spends lots of HP on it's UI |
| 23:37.14 | ds3 | is this a TI thing or is it the core that is 2-3x? |
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| 23:37.18 | lcuk | johnx, :) can you be certain |
| 23:37.20 | sisto | wazd_n800: HP = health points? |
| 23:37.28 | ds3 | Freescale'sgot a Cortex-A8 too |
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| 23:37.41 | wazd_n800 | sisto, hewlet-packards xD |
| 23:37.46 | Stskeepie | ponders idly to call on the cops with the guy who has been standing outside the apartment buildings here and threatening some girl loudly the last weeks or so |
| 23:37.58 | sisto | haha |
| 23:38.01 | wazd_n800 | sisto, horse power :) |
| 23:38.11 | johnx | Stskeepie, O_o do you know the girl? |
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| 23:38.39 | Pavlz | anything to listen files ogg ? |
| 23:38.51 | sisto | wazd_n800: i don't want to sound like a mac fan but there's a lot to learn from the iphone |
| 23:39.02 | sisto | please don't bash me for that :P |
| 23:39.12 | sisto | haha |
| 23:39.24 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeepie, I'd recommend throwing a brick but then you'd be arrested and the future of Mer would be a bit blurry to say the least. |
| 23:39.24 | wazd_n800 | sisto: like what?) lack of copy/paste?) |
| 23:39.32 | johnx | sisto, a lot to learn and a lot to avoid. yes |
| 23:39.35 | sisto | wazd_n800: well not that |
| 23:39.50 | wazd_n800 | sisto: just kidding) |
| 23:40.06 | sisto | there's a lot to avoid yes... like the stupid app store |
| 23:40.20 | wazd_n800 | sisto, iphone is a great "average consumer" device |
| 23:40.20 | johnx | main thing to avoid is the complete segregation of apps |
| 23:40.22 | sisto | the duplicate functionality scandal |
| 23:40.23 | sisto | etc |
| 23:40.24 | johnx | such a *&$%ing pain |
| 23:40.46 | johnx | it's average because it's horrible in some ways and really impressive in others |
| 23:40.59 | johnx | so you get a nice even mean :) |
| 23:42.02 | sisto | it sucks that you have to jailbreak it and such |
| 23:42.18 | wazd_n800 | the greatest thing i've found in the iphone is materials (first gen) |
| 23:42.25 | sisto | but i read reviews saying that the g1 is on par with the iphone |
| 23:42.30 | Stskeepie | johnx, no, but when someone threatens to mash someone's head in in quite explicit words, i probably don't need to :P |
| 23:42.38 | johnx | Stskeepie, call the cops |
| 23:42.39 | wazd_n800 | glass screen is awesome |
| 23:42.47 | Stskeepie | johnx: yeah.. except the guy left again |
| 23:43.34 | sisto | i saw the g2 though and it seems it's going to be worse... they are going to get rid of the physical keyboard -_- |
| 23:43.56 | johnx | sisto, I think it's not a successor but an alternative |
| 23:44.01 | wazd_n800 | Stskeepie, wth with yo nick?) Gf in da house?) |
| 23:44.14 | Stskeepie | wazd_n800: my irssi server down :P |
| 23:44.18 | sisto | johnx: probably |
| 23:44.29 | sisto | what i don't like about the g2 is that it's pretty ugly |
| 23:44.40 | wazd_n800 | Stskeepie, yeye, really) |
| 23:45.14 | Stskeepie | wazd_n800: and gf first coming back wednesday |
| 23:45.33 | wazd_n800 | I really want something with metal+glass+leather :) |
| 23:46.58 | wazd_n800 | Stskeepie, oh, goodbye Mer then xD |
| 23:47.03 | sisto | has any one of you tried android on the n810? |
| 23:47.27 | Stskeepie | wazd_n800: hehe, no, she is good at giving me space :) |
| 23:48.25 | wazd_n800 | natural materials are true, plastic is false |
| 23:48.58 | wazd_n800 | sisto: me not |
| 23:49.21 | johnx | Stskeepie, heh. I know the feeling. my wife is amused by me hacking on stuff :) |
| 23:49.27 | johnx | hacking as a spectator sport? |
| 23:49.54 | Stskeepie | johnx: i let her have her the west wing addiction and other series, she lets me hack :P |
| 23:50.40 | johnx | s/west wing/stargate atlantis/ and you've got the same picture here :) |
| 23:51.28 | wazd_n800 | I've made a pencil portrait of my gf, so I do what i want) |
| 23:51.39 | mavhc | glass isn't natural |
| 23:51.57 | wazd_n800 | mavhc: orly?) |
| 23:52.02 | johnx | mavhc, sure it is. comes from beaches :) |
| 23:52.03 | ds3 | is there a site that reviews phones (GSM only) on how well they work tethered? |
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| 23:52.37 | sisto1 | i fell |
| 23:52.53 | mavhc | when your iphone is made from beach glass, cow skin, and ore, we can talk |
| 23:52.56 | wazd_n800 | maybe google will answer it?) |
| 23:53.27 | wazd_n800 | mavhc, aw cmon, you know what i mean) |
| 23:53.53 | sisto1 | I was asking... has any one of you tried android on the n810? |
| 23:53.58 | mavhc | plastic doesn't smash, next |
| 23:54.01 | Stskeepie | sisto1: look at nitdroid project |
| 23:54.13 | sisto1 | Stskeepie: will do thx |
| 23:54.37 | wazd_n800 | mavhc, it ccracks) |
| 23:54.42 | sisto1 | it'd be nice to dual boot android and maemo on my future n810 :D:D:D:D |
| 23:55.59 | wazd_n800 | aluminium allows to make device thinner |
| 23:56.32 | fireun | sisto1: it'd be nice if it had fricking lasers too |
| 23:56.58 | sisto1 | fireun: what!? how do you install lasers on it? :P |
| 23:57.05 | sisto1 | i need that lol |
| 23:57.31 | wazd_n800 | sisto, check Nitlasers project xD |
| 23:57.50 | timelE61i | is going to fosdem, kinda |
| 23:58.07 | sisto1 | this? http://www.indiastudychannel.com/resources/10316-NIT-Short-term-Course-Laser-Processing-Materials.aspx |
| 23:59.20 | wazd_n800 | mÅmo |
| 23:59.21 | fireun | sisto1: dual booting android and maemo on a future existing n810 should be about as easy as adding lasers |
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