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| 00:07.04 | wazd | StsN800: still here?) |
| 00:08.04 | wazd | StsN800: how bou that? http://s45.radikal.ru/i109/0901/9d/c13ce1d0ee25.png |
| 00:11.29 | lcuk | wazd, before it gets ingrained in, you know the "r" in mer logo - it always feels like its 1-2pixels too far to the right. have you tried bringing it in a tiny bit to see if it looks more balanced? |
| 00:15.04 | wazd | lcuk: yep, it's not :) |
| 00:16.17 | wazd | lcuk: that's the best position to my mind |
| 00:16.47 | lcuk | wazd, im just wiggling it backwards and forwards in psp |
| 00:17.19 | wazd | lcuk: but maybe you're right, now I'm starting to think that it's really 1px right |
| 00:18.20 | wazd | lcuk: that sucks cause then I need to redraw rescue menu |
| 00:18.24 | lcuk | heh - i know its all an optical illusion |
| 00:18.30 | wazd | lcuk: and kill you ofcourse :D |
| 00:18.56 | lcuk | ill get you a beer at the next summit :) |
| 00:19.14 | wazd | lcuk: If my country will pass me to it :) |
| 00:19.31 | wazd | lcuk: what do you think bout UI layout then? |
| 00:19.47 | wazd | http://s45.radikal.ru/i109/0901/9d/c13ce1d0ee25.png that one |
| 00:20.11 | lcuk | yeah but ive thought it about all of them :P |
| 00:20.27 | Jaffa | wazd: looks good. No stylus access to an app's menu? |
| 00:20.41 | lcuk | where is the app title gonna go |
| 00:20.49 | Jaffa | lcuk: nowhere - they're useless |
| 00:21.07 | lcuk | i might have a dig into the hildon menu thing and see if i can get it to do that dynamic resizing thing |
| 00:21.12 | Jaffa | wazd: presumably an app's menu would /appear/ in the same place as it does now? (i.e. instead of the apps menu) |
| 00:22.51 | lcuk | isnt this gonna force us to remake and adjust hildon because of the shape it expects windows to sit in |
| 00:22.52 | wazd | Jaffa: "Mer" is an app menu button for now) |
| 00:22.52 | wazd | Jaffa: maybe I should mark it same as Maemo one's |
| 00:22.52 | lcuk | i liked the ae :) |
| 00:22.52 | lcuk | it was generic enough to not look like a logo |
| 00:23.05 | Jaffa | wazd: This is where the lack of clear nomenclature gets us. When I press the 'menu' key in that screenshot, I get File Manager's menu. The `mer' logo is equivalent to the application-launcher menu (I figure?) |
| 00:23.46 | Jaffa | lcuk: no, shouldn't do. This is similar to the layout used in Ubuntu Mobile Edition. |
| 00:23.58 | wazd | Jaffa: well I think "task switcher" button is symbolized pretty clear and same as Maemo :) |
| 00:24.11 | Jaffa | wazd: yup, task switcher's great. |
| 00:24.13 | lcuk | alright cool |
| 00:24.26 | wazd | Mer's logo is hildon menu button |
| 00:24.41 | wazd | same as if you'll click title |
| 00:25.04 | lcuk | what are we gonna do when rotated? |
| 00:25.12 | Jaffa | wazd: Ah, OK. And using a Home applet for app launching? |
| 00:26.00 | wazd | Jaffa: Sort off, but I haven't thought bout that deeply |
| 00:26.17 | lcuk | thats a minimum of 3 clicks if its on home menu to go from one app to a new one |
| 00:26.24 | wazd | Jaffa: Maybe I'll come up with some more handy idea for quick app access |
| 00:27.00 | wazd | lcuk: well, now it's 2 clicks minimum :) |
| 00:27.20 | lcuk | yeah, tis ok anyway was just the idea of needing to go home |
| 00:27.27 | Jaffa | lcuk: change mer's home key behaviour to go directly to the home screen, rather than pop up the menu - since without the stuff on the left, full screen won't be so needed |
| 00:27.50 | wazd | Jaffa: good point |
| 00:28.22 | lcuk | home does task switching |
| 00:28.38 | lcuk | long home already minimizes to desktop |
| 00:28.40 | Jaffa | lcuk: yeah, but you've got the top bar for that now |
| 00:28.52 | Jaffa | lcuk: I'm suggesting swapping those two behaviours with this hildon-desktop |
| 00:29.00 | wazd | Jaffa: well if you hold "home" you'll actually get home) |
| 00:29.03 | Jaffa | Anyway, this is what Ubuntu Mobile's Hildon looks like: http://www.linuxplanet.com/graphics/screenshots/1218133058Figure3.png |
| 00:29.40 | Jaffa | wazd: In Maemo. With your suggested layout, I think that makes less sense (for the quickness of starting apps, as lcuk says) |
| 00:30.06 | wazd | Jaffa: I like the idea of swaping functions |
| 00:30.17 | wazd | Jaffa: quick click sends home |
| 00:30.18 | lcuk | wow jaffa that looks really nice :) |
| 00:30.33 | wazd | Jaffa: long click opens switcher |
| 00:30.37 | lcuk | quick click should bring up the dynamic task switcher |
| 00:31.42 | wazd | lcuk: don't expect much from Ubuntu, homescreen is the only thing that looks nice in it :D |
| 00:32.04 | wazd | lcuk: other stuff is like worst themes of 770 :) |
| 00:32.19 | Jaffa | lcuk: Not if you want quicker access to launch apps. Since the top bar will be more permanent (less need for full screen as no wasted sidebar), *and* it's got more space than the 3 active windows in Maemo's sidebar, having home key == home makes launching apps quicker. |
| 00:32.24 | lcuk | i see they read your blog as well as microsoft :P |
| 00:32.54 | Jaffa | wazd: other alternative is to do an Ubuntu: add a home icon, a menu icon and a task nav icon in the space of your current mer & task nav. |
| 00:33.08 | Jaffa | Then it's a single tap to take you back to your app launcher/home screen. |
| 00:33.08 | lcuk | i agree in part jaffa, but havign a title area for an app is important |
| 00:33.20 | Jaffa | lcuk: liqbase doesn't have one ;-) |
| 00:33.35 | lcuk | sure it does |
| 00:33.41 | lcuk | every single menu is titled :) |
| 00:33.51 | Jaffa | What useful stuff has ever been shown in the title area of an app on Maemo? The only use they have IME is when switching between them, which is still maintained in wazd's mockup |
| 00:33.54 | wazd | Jaffa: too much functional icons on the same place :) |
| 00:34.04 | lcuk | when im in dynamic screens though i go fullscreen |
| 00:34.13 | lcuk | jaffa, the title |
| 00:34.25 | Jaffa | lcuk: What useful stuff is in *the title*? |
| 00:34.42 | Jaffa | i.e. of the currently foregrounded app? |
| 00:35.21 | wazd | Titlebar is useless, forget bout it :) |
| 00:35.37 | wazd | It does totaly nothing |
| 00:35.39 | Jaffa | For example, I've just opened File Manager, I see "File manager - Removable...". But I know it's the File Manager, cos it looks like it. And I know I've got the memory card selected as it's highlighted. |
| 00:35.44 | lcuk | sometimes space is important |
| 00:35.51 | wazd | That was the theme of my first blogpost |
| 00:36.10 | Jaffa | wazd: Aye, and it convinced me you're often right ;-) |
| 00:36.21 | lcuk | people read the headlines, sure a useless title is wasted |
| 00:36.36 | wazd | http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2008/01/17/maemo-tray-modification/ |
| 00:36.55 | Jaffa | beds. |
| 00:36.58 | wazd | lcuk: headlines contain text |
| 00:37.17 | wazd | lcuk: not something like "Web - Nokia Sta..." |
| 00:37.29 | wazd | lcuk: what's the point of that letters?) |
| 00:38.28 | wazd | lcuk: Titles are needed to define info without opened windows. And I have them in task switcher |
| 00:38.29 | lcuk | "The tray should be variable length. New applet - more tray. Applet is removed - application name can claim the space." :) ideal compromise |
| 00:39.00 | lcuk | you will never make me agree its useless, and i will never try to force it upon you :) |
| 00:39.18 | wazd | lcuk: So tell me whats the point of "Web - Nokia Sta..." |
| 00:39.41 | wazd | lcuk: that compromise works if you have side menu :) |
| 00:39.51 | lcuk | <lcuk> people read the headlines, sure a useless title is wasted |
| 00:40.29 | wazd | lcuk: headlines are something like "Madonna divorses with Guy Richie!!111" |
| 00:40.37 | lcuk | i meant the useless bit |
| 00:40.47 | wazd | lcuk: Not something like "Madonna div..." |
| 00:40.55 | lcuk | its not up to the OS to dictate the format of the titlebars, it cannot guess good from bad (that example is bad) |
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| 00:41.45 | lcuk | remember, i would prefer a dynamically resizing titlebar which goes from almost nothing to much larger per preference |
| 00:42.05 | lcuk | if you click on "madonna div.." it should slide out |
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| 00:42.26 | wazd | lcuk: in newspaper?) |
| 00:42.27 | lcuk | but it gives a larger easy to hit area for the users finger to get at his app menu |
| 00:42.40 | lcuk | heh yeah |
| 00:42.48 | wazd | "mer" button is more than large for a finger) |
| 00:42.55 | lcuk | when the app menu itself isnt much different to the other menus the user will not know which to click |
| 00:42.57 | wazd | I've tried) |
| 00:43.04 | lcuk | suppose i give you the tablet, you've never used it before |
| 00:43.46 | wazd | lcuk: well, I've read the instruction when I bought n800 :) |
| 00:44.16 | lcuk | take it to the pub with you and let your friends play |
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| 00:44.54 | wazd | lcuk: well, they already played, but they weren't anywhere outside of the browser :) |
| 00:46.00 | wazd | lcuk: I agree that maybe I should place same sign of menu like maemo has |
| 00:46.13 | wazd | lcuk: for easy location |
| 00:46.46 | lcuk | :) |
| 00:47.08 | wazd | lcuk: I also wanted to add some fingerfriendly feature |
| 00:47.57 | wazd | When user taps small icon in the taskswitcher a tip with it's title appears |
| 00:48.20 | wazd | And user can drag between apps if he missed |
| 00:48.33 | wazd | Switch on release |
| 00:48.48 | wazd | something like iPhone keyboard as I remember |
| 00:51.39 | lcuk | i know the effect, im just not sure its needed, are we expecting so many tasks it needs tiny icons? |
| 00:52.07 | lcuk | the icon + caption could be a regular easy fingerable size and still not need scrolling |
| 00:52.22 | wazd | lcuk: I'm talking bout top switcher |
| 00:52.33 | wazd | that's next to "mer" |
| 00:57.40 | lcuk | yeah i see it, still not sure, btw in the ubuntu, what happens when you click on the title area "All" does it drop a nice tree? |
| 00:58.15 | wazd | lcuk: dunno |
| 00:58.24 | wazd | lcuk: I've just seen screenshots |
| 00:58.36 | lcuk | i might have to shove it on my x41 |
| 00:59.50 | lcuk | though i really want mer on it :) cannot stand ubuntu |
| 01:01.28 | lcuk | anyway, gnite wazd :) |
| 01:01.57 | wazd | gnite lcuk) |
| 01:02.27 | wazd | btw I don't see much sense in menu button to be finger friendly, since menu itself isnt :) |
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| 01:30.26 | dick-richardson | kudos to the backup/restore devs - damn good job |
| 01:31.10 | dick-richardson | my n810 went through my snow blower and I just got the new one up and running in no time |
| 01:33.26 | Mousey | uh |
| 01:35.52 | Mousey | ya'll should check images.google.com for the "coco de mer" fruit |
| 01:39.09 | lcuk | PMSL |
| 01:39.18 | wazd | Mousey: whoa!! |
| 01:39.24 | wazd | That's hot) |
| 01:39.25 | lcuk | how in gods name did you come across that one |
| 01:39.34 | Mousey | hehe |
| 01:39.48 | lcuk | we *HAVE* to have that as the desktop icon |
| 01:39.49 | Mousey | i was looking for that mer wallpaper somebody linked yesterday |
| 01:39.56 | Mousey | yah man |
| 01:40.04 | Mousey | too bad there's no cool coco program |
| 01:40.15 | lcuk | ill fuffin make one |
| 01:40.22 | wazd | That one is pretty nice: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3066/2788473919_4ab5fd7304_o.jpg |
| 01:40.29 | Mousey | =) |
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| 01:41.04 | wazd | Damn, thats uber hilarious) |
| 01:41.53 | lcuk | have you seen whats top of normal google search for that term |
| 01:42.18 | Mousey | yay i contributed to mer! |
| 01:42.20 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 01:43.31 | wazd | Well, that's why I hate French :) |
| 01:43.41 | wazd | They can ruin everything)) |
| 01:44.10 | b-man | lol |
| 01:44.51 | wazd | It's still 1 thing to figure out |
| 01:45.08 | wazd | what was first, woman's ass or this nut :D |
| 01:45.30 | wazd | And what the hell nature was thinking about :) |
| 01:47.18 | b-man | needs to beta test lates mer image - will be back |
| 01:47.39 | wazd | Now Mer definitely takes first place in "Linux logo with women bodies" chart from Ubuntu :) |
| 01:47.44 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 01:48.16 | Mousey | i am so proud! =D |
| 01:48.19 | lcuk | you could almost get away with it as the m from mer ;) |
| 01:49.08 | wazd | Mousey: http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/repos-a-la-mer there is the wallpaper, if you still need it somehow) |
| 01:49.23 | Mousey | thanks =) |
| 01:49.47 | Mousey | aw, doesn't have the logo in the middle |
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| 01:50.19 | wazd | lcuk: let's hide it as secret weapon) |
| 01:50.22 | lcuk | not to discuss again, but better to consider it plain then blendblit the required text/logo in the right place? |
| 01:50.30 | lcuk | wrap it in bacon |
| 01:50.37 | lcuk | anyway, im not here now |
| 01:50.41 | lcuk | gnite again |
| 01:50.46 | Mousey | uh |
| 01:50.48 | wazd | yaya)) |
| 01:51.48 | wazd | That would be a hit if cocoa would be somehow ported to linux)) |
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| 01:52.51 | wazd | k, I'm out too, gnite all :) |
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| 01:59.58 | b-man | i'm back |
| 02:00.15 | Shadow_M | hi |
| 02:00.27 | b-man | hi |
| 02:00.34 | Shadow_M | welcome back |
| 02:01.00 | b-man | :) |
| 02:01.37 | Shadow_M | so how do i get involved in the maemo community |
| 02:02.08 | b-man | find a project that you like and jump in :D |
| 02:02.38 | Shadow_M | ah alright |
| 02:03.18 | b-man | btw, i tryed out the new mer rescue menu, looks.............. amazing! |
| 02:03.36 | Shadow_M | whats that |
| 02:04.10 | b-man | a rescue menu to boot into/fix mer |
| 02:04.46 | Shadow_M | what is mer |
| 02:04.47 | b-man | it looks taoaly different from the original, it even uses gnome fonting |
| 02:05.51 | b-man | a experimental os that is based on ubuntu jaunty that is designed to run maemo apps |
| 02:06.01 | b-man | "maemo reconstructed" |
| 02:06.27 | Shadow_M | ah interesting |
| 02:06.36 | Shadow_M | screenie? |
| 02:07.13 | b-man | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed provides most of the information - and possibly screenshots |
| 02:07.44 | b-man | i'm currently the maintainer of the installer :) |
| 02:07.57 | Shadow_M | ah nice |
| 02:15.11 | b-man | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint#SB1_SDK_Guide provides most of the technical information |
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| 02:16.16 | GeneralAntilles | Why do they always gotten ship prizes to the people who already have them. :( |
| 02:16.21 | GeneralAntilles | Damn you, thp! :P |
| 02:16.43 | GeneralAntilles | Anyway: http://public.smi.ethz.ch/files/MaemoOpenmoko/PublicDescriptiveStatistics.html |
| 02:23.00 | b-man | cool |
| 02:24.00 | b-man | starts to apply yet another update to his ubuntu jaunty guide |
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| 03:07.35 | b-man | thinks about making a installer for Ubuntu Jaunty... |
| 03:08.13 | b-man | make things 1000 times easier for everyone :) |
| 03:08.24 | Shadow_M | would the installer allow dual boot |
| 03:08.32 | Shadow_M | or how would that work |
| 03:08.54 | b-man | yes, it would make a bootmenu item |
| 03:09.45 | b-man | and then automaticly reflash initfs for dual booting |
| 03:10.23 | Shadow_M | hmm easy to revert back? |
| 03:11.41 | b-man | you would have to flash with stock initfs, but it shuld not be too hard |
| 03:11.58 | Shadow_M | hmm |
| 03:12.17 | Shadow_M | how do you flash with stock initfs |
| 03:13.13 | b-man | you could use a computer or use initfs flasher |
| 03:14.04 | b-man | (for maemo) |
| 03:14.57 | Shadow_M | hmm |
| 03:15.06 | Shadow_M | or use a other bootmenu |
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| 03:15.49 | b-man | yup |
| 03:17.08 | Shadow_M | i wouldnt mind trying ubuntu on here although i would think it woulld be slow |
| 03:17.43 | b-man | not if you use plenty of swap ;) |
| 03:18.21 | b-man | and install preload and insserv |
| 03:18.58 | Shadow_M | hmm |
| 03:19.13 | Shadow_M | i think i went overboard on swap here |
| 03:19.24 | Shadow_M | i gave it 384 megs |
| 03:19.40 | b-man | i've used 400 :) |
| 03:19.42 | Shadow_M | how much swap would it need and what does insserv do |
| 03:19.51 | Shadow_M | i am running maemo now though |
| 03:20.43 | b-man | insserv provides "parelel booting" - witch means that it orginizes startup scripts so the system boots faster. |
| 03:21.50 | b-man | and to make slower prosesses start later in the boot prosess |
| 03:22.20 | b-man | (comply with LSB) |
| 03:22.29 | Shadow_M | ah should i use that on my desktop |
| 03:22.49 | Shadow_M | its a quad core |
| 03:22.54 | b-man | wow! |
| 03:23.03 | b-man | that's cool :D |
| 03:23.04 | Shadow_M | what |
| 03:23.12 | Shadow_M | yeah its a shuttle |
| 03:23.46 | b-man | how many ghz does it clock at? |
| 03:23.56 | Shadow_M | q6600 2.4ghz |
| 03:24.03 | Shadow_M | 2 gigs of ram |
| 03:24.12 | b-man | hm |
| 03:24.34 | b-man | powerful graphics card? |
| 03:25.03 | Shadow_M | nah not yet cant afford it 6600gt |
| 03:26.16 | Shadow_M | what would you recommend to make it go faster |
| 03:26.18 | Shadow_M | lol |
| 03:26.29 | b-man | preload or insserv |
| 03:26.50 | Shadow_M | hmm i guess preload adds programs to ram right |
| 03:27.41 | b-man | yes... but over time it actually improves system performance by adjusting to your system automaticly |
| 03:27.50 | Shadow_M | what module adds parallel processing so it proccesses more than one program at once while booting |
| 03:29.04 | b-man | it caches information about what programs you use |
| 03:29.18 | b-man | and preloads them at startup |
| 03:29.31 | b-man | so apps launch faster |
| 03:29.45 | Shadow_M | hmm yeah |
| 03:30.11 | Shadow_M | isnt there something that takes advazntage of all those cores |
| 03:31.21 | b-man | not shure. |
| 03:31.38 | b-man | needs to go - but will be back ;) |
| 03:32.33 | Shadow_M | ah alright well thanks i am reading up on it |
| 03:32.36 | Shadow_M | see ya |
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| 03:51.49 | b-man | i'm back again |
| 03:54.10 | Shadow_M | oh no |
| 03:54.41 | b-man | what? |
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| 04:02.03 | samd | hi, is there any built in function to send files by bluetooth, or i have to install an app? |
| 04:03.43 | GeneralAntilles | samd, File Manager |
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| 04:04.22 | b-man | tap and hold, >send, >va bluetooth |
| 04:05.39 | samd | GeneralAntilles b-man ight found it, thanks :) |
| 04:05.40 | samd | \ |
| 04:14.45 | b-man | GeneralAntilles: how is it down there Florida?, its about -2 (-14 with winchill) here in Ohio and we have over a foot of snow on the ground with more comming :p |
| 04:15.13 | GeneralAntilles | No snow, but it's supposed to be down into the single digits in a few days. :(( |
| 04:15.22 | GeneralAntilles | I'm in the north end at the moment, though. |
| 04:15.30 | soap | a foot? You must be north of me. |
| 04:15.49 | b-man | in Bowiling Green Ohio |
| 04:15.58 | soap | Columbus |
| 04:15.58 | b-man | 43402 |
| 04:16.03 | soap | haha |
| 04:16.07 | soap | 43_2_02 |
| 04:16.26 | b-man | ah :D |
| 04:17.45 | Mousey | drives traffic into the channel |
| 04:18.00 | b-man | GeneralAntilles: single digits in northern florida?!? |
| 04:18.15 | GeneralAntilles | b-man, yeah, Tallahassee. |
| 04:18.16 | b-man | 0_o |
| 04:18.24 | GeneralAntilles | Normally we see maybe high teens once or twice a year. |
| 04:18.30 | GeneralAntilles | Quite a cold snap. |
| 04:18.34 | soap | When I left Houston Sunday it was getting awfully chilly. |
| 04:21.30 | b-man | the high here is only going to be 12 here tomorrow, and maybe 6 (with an actual low of -12) on Friday :p |
| 04:22.49 | soap | ditto. Should have stayed in Guam. |
| 04:22.55 | b-man | wants to live in California or southern Florida XD |
| 04:23.52 | b-man | besides, most of my family lives in california and florida :) |
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| 04:37.02 | Mousey | <Gareth> hm. this is weird. i can't connect to my wireless G network....cant put all the characters for the WPA key in there. |
| 04:37.02 | Mousey | <Gareth> this is on the N810 |
| 04:37.21 | Mousey | <Mousey> is it taking it and just doesn't look like it? |
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| 04:37.37 | Mousey | <Gareth> Mousey: No, I can't enter the key...I cant enter the whole key...one character short. |
| 04:37.40 | Mousey | oh hai! |
| 04:37.40 | Gareth | Hi |
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| 04:39.45 | Mousey | *crickets* |
| 04:40.42 | Mousey | ah ha!! |
| 04:40.47 | Mousey | Gareth: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18929 |
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| 04:43.20 | Gareth | Mousey: ah ha |
| 04:43.37 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 04:43.45 | Mousey | i told u they were helpful here ^_^ |
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| 04:49.19 | Gareth | Mousey: haha thanks |
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| 06:41.15 | johnx | hi |
| 06:47.22 | RST38h | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/15/ubuntu_cant_access_net/ |
| 06:47.24 | RST38h | Enjoy |
| 06:51.13 | johnx | RST38h, newsflash: dumb people are dumb. the register is a troll. story at 11. |
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| 06:54.29 | yigal | for 3 days without anything but an n800, it's growing on me |
| 06:55.12 | johnx | yigal, yeah, I was in the same situation a while ago |
| 06:55.22 | johnx | it's not bad for lightweight stuff |
| 06:57.17 | Navi | people are indeed morons |
| 06:58.30 | yigal | I'm getting an iGo and am entering a doctoral program in physics I wan't to see if I can write 80% of my thesis on it :) |
| 06:58.49 | johnx | RST38h, if you've ever seen the dell site, you have to *really work at it* to end up buying an ubuntu laptop for exactly the reason outlined in the story. Also worth considering: could you do s/Ubuntu/Mac/ and end up with the same result for that lady? |
| 06:59.09 | johnx | hey Navi. what have you been up to? |
| 06:59.44 | johnx | yigal, a little optimistic, but should be possible. just remember to back it up and don't trust your SD cards :) |
| 06:59.55 | yigal | is there some odd dell promo? |
| 07:00.10 | johnx | yigal, they sell ubuntu on laptops as officially supported |
| 07:00.44 | yigal | mercurial remote server + external flash |
| 07:00.52 | Navi | johnx: nuffin' much |
| 07:00.57 | yigal | :) |
| 07:01.16 | Navi | I've been up to a lot less then I've wanted to be up to |
| 07:01.22 | Navi | You? |
| 07:02.03 | Navi | lol |
| 07:02.07 | Navi | Silly Dell |
| 07:02.12 | Navi | Inspiron Mini 9 |
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| 07:02.15 | johnx | heh, Stskeeps and I are still working on Mer. :) It's getting to the point soon when we can start working on just packaging apps for it |
| 07:02.15 | Navi | More Storage! Includes Windows XP! |
| 07:02.22 | Navi | Mer? |
| 07:02.30 | johnx | been under a rock? :P |
| 07:02.31 | yigal | yuck |
| 07:02.45 | Navi | I haven't kept up with itT |
| 07:02.51 | johnx | the Hildon (aka Maemo) UI on top of Ubuntu ARM |
| 07:02.58 | Navi | or however that acronym is cased |
| 07:03.01 | GeneralAntilles | ~mer |
| 07:03.02 | infobot | from memory, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint_New and http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint |
| 07:03.02 | johnx | except not hacked up like my debian thing |
| 07:03.05 | Navi | Oh, that's cool |
| 07:03.09 | Navi | I guess |
| 07:03.26 | johnx | runs on n800, zaurus and x86 so far |
| 07:03.33 | Navi | Oh, that thing |
| 07:03.41 | Navi | I didn't know it was given a name |
| 07:03.51 | yigal | who would do that to themselves, sorry devs I guess interesting, windows? |
| 07:04.03 | Navi | Do what to themselves? |
| 07:04.04 | johnx | it was re-maemo for a while, but we didn't want another discussion about what the name should be |
| 07:04.22 | Navi | ha |
| 07:04.38 | Navi | That reminds me of this one OSS software dealie |
| 07:05.07 | Navi | They spent all of December electing representatives, rather than actively develop on the project |
| 07:05.25 | Navi | and they missed the date that they announced for a release |
| 07:06.00 | yigal | is phonelink actively being worked on? |
| 07:06.13 | johnx | well, luckily the people who like hacking on Mer and the people who like pointless arguments tend to be pretty mutually exclusive |
| 07:06.23 | Navi | Woo |
| 07:06.37 | yigal | :) |
| 07:06.47 | Navi | Except GeneralAntilles |
| 07:06.59 | johnx | he's our ... uhm ... PR rep :D |
| 07:07.25 | Navi | Ah, so he has to speak the language to get the message across |
| 07:07.29 | Navi | I see |
| 07:07.30 | yigal | I feel this as the dev channel :) |
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| 07:07.58 | yigal | #maemo-user? |
| 07:08.02 | Navi | The last release of phonelink was a while ago |
| 07:08.05 | GeneralAntilles | Navi, the "language" is a frozen trout that I beat people about the head and shoulders with. :P |
| 07:08.18 | johnx | yigal, it's fine to ask here, but I don't know anything about phonelink :) |
| 07:08.49 | Navi | Aw |
| 07:08.58 | Navi | Maemo's svn browser blows |
| 07:09.00 | johnx | we do the good cop, bad cop thing. GA hits people with a frozen trout (or carp as the situation requires), then wazd shows them gorgeous mockups and wallpapers: http://tabletui.wordpress.com/ |
| 07:09.15 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 07:09.20 | GeneralAntilles | Navi, you try WebKit? |
| 07:09.20 | yigal | fare, I'm dealing with a beast of an evil creature called blackberry |
| 07:09.42 | Navi | GeneralAntilles: on the desktop, yes |
| 07:09.59 | GeneralAntilles | beats Navi about the head and shoulders with a frozen trout. |
| 07:10.00 | GeneralAntilles | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/webkit-eal/ |
| 07:10.02 | Navi | Doesn't show the last update dates on the svn browser |
| 07:10.09 | Navi | Oh, we're back to the EAL thing? |
| 07:10.11 | GeneralAntilles | Inertial scrolling |
| 07:10.17 | GeneralAntilles | Well, there's also Tear |
| 07:10.22 | GeneralAntilles | but that's marginally less stable. |
| 07:10.38 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, had some updates recently. did you try the latest version? |
| 07:10.51 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, Tear? No. |
| 07:10.55 | Navi | Tear as in, this software is sad? |
| 07:11.03 | GeneralAntilles | Something like that. |
| 07:11.06 | Navi | or Tear as in, this screen tears a lot. |
| 07:11.06 | johnx | I think so. that's the icon |
| 07:11.19 | Navi | Either will work, but one is funnier |
| 07:11.20 | johnx | latest SSU fixed a lot of screen tearing issues |
| 07:11.28 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24293 |
| 07:11.29 | yigal | for an end user is fennec something to consider? |
| 07:11.33 | johnx | but before that, yes it could scroll fast enough to cause screen tearing |
| 07:11.36 | Navi | yigal: nah |
| 07:11.39 | johnx | yigal, not yet |
| 07:11.51 | GeneralAntilles | yigal, give it a couple more months. |
| 07:11.59 | johnx | or give it a new CPU :) |
| 07:12.05 | Navi | My tablet hasn't been turned on in a while |
| 07:12.17 | yigal | ok, I'm not unhappy with/ |
| 07:12.19 | GeneralAntilles | I wish these people would get their stuff into Extras so I'd didn't have to pay attention for updates. |
| 07:12.30 | Navi | GeneralAntilles: dude |
| 07:12.43 | Navi | Did you not know that the concept of a centralized repository is dumb? |
| 07:13.03 | Navi | I mean, that just saps all the work you have to do to keep things updated |
| 07:13.08 | Navi | No fun at all |
| 07:13.11 | Navi | :( |
| 07:13.21 | GeneralAntilles | You enjoy self-flagulation, don't you? |
| 07:13.22 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, ever tried to build a browser in diablo scratchbox? |
| 07:13.31 | Navi | GeneralAntilles: I am very masochistic |
| 07:13.37 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, nope, but I love telling other people they should. :P |
| 07:13.45 | Navi | Luls |
| 07:13.55 | Navi | Thankfully, he's stopped bugging me \o/ |
| 07:14.48 | johnx | anyways, that's the other big thing about Mer. Stskeeps has done insane amounts of work to get us a scratchbox based SDK with recent compilers and recent versions of libraries, that mostly match up to ubuntu |
| 07:14.58 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, did you catch: http://public.smi.ethz.ch/files/MaemoOpenmoko/PublicDescriptiveStatistics.html ? |
| 07:15.13 | Navi | johnx: sexy |
| 07:15.17 | yigal | do any of you devs actually use modest for mail? |
| 07:15.28 | Navi | yigal: not all of us are devs |
| 07:15.35 | Navi | some of us are just here to troll and spam |
| 07:15.44 | johnx | yigal, yes. with gmail imap. but I'm not really a dev so much as a sys admin who got lost |
| 07:15.53 | yigal | wanna be ;) |
| 07:15.57 | Navi | I use Modest a lot |
| 07:16.11 | Navi | well, on the go |
| 07:16.41 | yigal | johnx: same with me and imap gmail, just wondering |
| 07:16.43 | Navi | which reminds me, any suggestions for a good data-only plan that won't burn a hole in my pocket? |
| 07:17.18 | johnx | Navi, move to Baltimore, MD and pick up a wimax n810 before they disappear |
| 07:17.18 | yigal | at&t 60$/month ;P |
| 07:17.20 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I use Modest a lot with Gmail IMAP |
| 07:17.28 | Navi | johnx: why? |
| 07:17.44 | johnx | Navi, they're end-of-lifed |
| 07:17.47 | GeneralAntilles | Navi, it's $30/mo for a PDA-plan that'd go with something like an RX-51 |
| 07:18.13 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, really think they'll let the rx-51 have a PDA plan and not make it use a usb adapter plan? |
| 07:18.25 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, I dunno. |
| 07:18.33 | GeneralAntilles | I have zero experience with their data-only stuff. |
| 07:18.42 | GeneralAntilles | If not, I'm going to be a little pissed, though. ;) |
| 07:18.48 | yigal | no bt that would be bad |
| 07:18.52 | Navi | johnx: that was pretty fast |
| 07:19.17 | GeneralAntilles | What do they charge for UMPCs with 3G modems? |
| 07:19.25 | GeneralAntilles | yigal, no BT in? |
| 07:19.26 | Navi | over 1k? |
| 07:19.35 | Navi | UMPCs are too damned expensive |
| 07:19.36 | johnx | Navi, well, the mobile wimax kit is only rolled out in Baltimore. they delayed their DC rollout and the Portland network somehow doesn't work quite right with the n810we apparently (?) |
| 07:19.54 | Navi | zomg |
| 07:19.57 | GeneralAntilles | Navi, er, what does AT&T charge for a data-only plan for them. ;) |
| 07:20.00 | yigal | GeneralAntilles: tethering options for data plans |
| 07:20.03 | Navi | GeneralAntilles: ah |
| 07:20.12 | Navi | 60/mo or so? |
| 07:20.17 | GeneralAntilles | yigal, with AT&T you can usually tether with the non-tethering plans. |
| 07:20.34 | GeneralAntilles | Navi, my assumption was that you could use the non-tethering PDA personal plan for $30/mo. |
| 07:20.39 | Navi | They hit you with a large bill if they find out, though |
| 07:20.57 | Navi | Their detection methods are pretty weak though |
| 07:21.07 | Navi | ZOMG TOO MUCH DATA USED UR USING TEH TEATHER |
| 07:21.48 | yigal | GeneralAntilles: i have tmo with a phone that won't tether + data plan so i'm on the look out for something good |
| 07:21.52 | GeneralAntilles | I've been fine tethering for the past 2 years |
| 07:21.56 | Navi | johnx: How much are they selling it for? |
| 07:22.06 | GeneralAntilles | $20/mo MediaMAX 200 |
| 07:22.07 | Navi | GeneralAntilles: they usually don't find out |
| 07:22.09 | Navi | or care |
| 07:22.40 | yigal | rediculous, who should care |
| 07:22.53 | johnx | I've seen n810wes for around $350 - $400, but as part of Nokia's EOL, retailers are supposed to ship them back to Nokia for a refund |
| 07:23.16 | Navi | Is the PDA personal AT&T plan unlimited data? |
| 07:23.30 | Navi | Luls, the tethering plan is double the price with a 5GB limit |
| 07:23.42 | Navi | and .00048 US cents per KB |
| 07:23.46 | Navi | over the limit |
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| 07:23.53 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, unlimited. |
| 07:23.57 | GeneralAntilles | Tethering plans are ridiculous. |
| 07:24.01 | Navi | Indeed |
| 07:24.16 | yigal | the only real plan is 5g |
| 07:24.17 | Navi | 3G coverage? |
| 07:24.45 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, that survey generally tells me that in both camps the people interviewed were a little confused |
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| 07:24.57 | Navi | I need a new phone for 3G |
| 07:25.07 | Navi | Nokia needs to come out with a new E70 |
| 07:25.16 | Navi | Screw the N97s |
| 07:25.19 | yigal | iphone :) |
| 07:25.27 | Navi | E70 |
| 07:25.43 | Navi | http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone |
| 07:25.45 | Navi | kthx |
| 07:27.10 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, hehe. |
| 07:27.10 | yigal | ah a little radiohead to lighten my day |
| 07:27.32 | roope | The E71 is a very nice phone indeed. |
| 07:27.34 | Navi | johnx: the WEs are too black for me |
| 07:27.41 | Navi | I hate black |
| 07:27.41 | roope | Back At The Mother Ship (tm), you see them everywhere. |
| 07:28.10 | Navi | johnx: actually, I don't have the $$$ for them :( |
| 07:28.48 | johnx | Navi, eh, save it for the next tablet anyways, or buy the new Palm thing when it comes out |
| 07:29.11 | Navi | The Pre? |
| 07:29.26 | Navi | We were discussing it earlier in the cool people channel |
| 07:29.42 | yigal | before my time |
| 07:29.44 | Navi | People should give up the webapps on a phone angle for now |
| 07:30.15 | Navi | native apps plz |
| 07:30.16 | johnx | basically, even if it's just a dumbphone and something to tether my n800 to I'll be happy with it |
| 07:30.38 | johnx | i dunno, Palm has actually sold me on the idea, and the devs don't seem to hate it too much |
| 07:31.07 | roope | I also think it's a very cool idea. |
| 07:31.13 | yigal | johnx: don't get a cheap tether, unless you don't use a cell |
| 07:31.15 | roope | Large offline native apps are dying out. |
| 07:31.16 | Navi | the iPhone tried it and failed |
| 07:31.33 | roope | It takes too long to build and maintain. When the app is done, it's too old already. |
| 07:31.40 | roope | (well, not always, but often) |
| 07:32.21 | johnx | Navi, the iphone did webapps. Palm is doing apps in html/js that actually can call system APIs |
| 07:32.28 | Navi | Mmk |
| 07:32.32 | yigal | on a closed platform i would imagine offline apps could suffer |
| 07:32.47 | roope | afaik the palm 3rd party apps can do pretty much the same as the system apps. |
| 07:32.48 | johnx | apparently all the 1st party stuff in their demos was html/js |
| 07:32.49 | Navi | At least the Pre can multitask |
| 07:33.11 | roope | It's just using html/css/javascript + some kind of graphical toolkit on top (for the transitions etc.) |
| 07:33.19 | Navi | unlike the currently most popular touch phone at this moment |
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| 07:34.12 | yigal | i can do that js/php/html/css stuff i want something i can't do |
| 07:35.15 | Navi | How about develop a good application? |
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| 07:36.23 | yigal | it's all about particle physics for me, where's the time |
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| 07:39.15 | yigal | o i was worried i had made the general leave |
| 07:39.19 | StsN800 | fuck mornings. there, i said it. who gets up before its bright outside? |
| 07:39.41 | yigal | no hand raising here |
| 07:40.16 | johnx | StsN800, does it count if I got to sleep after it's bright outside and wakeup in the dark? |
| 07:41.05 | StsN800 | thats fine. just slept exceptionally bad :) |
| 07:41.08 | yigal | johnx: that's burly |
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| 07:42.02 | GeneralAntilles | yigal, client being crappy. |
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| 07:43.33 | yigal | http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone that is funny |
| 07:43.56 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, aaah, I see what you were getting at with the survey I think: more programmer-hours per capita going into openmoko? |
| 07:44.02 | Meiz_n810 | vlc is available for jaunty :P |
| 07:44.10 | Meiz_n810 | but still no mplayer :( |
| 07:44.16 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, I hadn't really drawn any conclusions. |
| 07:44.41 | yigal | GeneralAntilles: I hope you're a bit better situated now |
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| 07:45.40 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, well, kinda fits with what I've been saying about attracting motivated people |
| 07:46.58 | Navi | Ubuntu 15.04 should be called Penetrating Penis |
| 07:47.05 | Navi | That would be luls |
| 07:47.18 | Navi | snickers |
| 07:47.40 | Navi | johnx: needs more hype |
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| 07:48.07 | johnx | Navi, exactly, but needs more hype targeted at developers |
| 07:48.07 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, I think Fremantle and the RX-51 will help a lot. |
| 07:48.26 | GeneralAntilles | It's tough to attract people to a platform that's mostly been stagnant for the last year. |
| 07:48.43 | Navi | johnx: any hype will do, really |
| 07:49.27 | Navi | user hype can help the base grow, which may catch they eyes of unrelated developers |
| 07:49.28 | johnx | Navi, that's true to a certain extent, but I think boosting the dev/user ratio would be a good thing. It makes the community "feel" more productive |
| 07:50.08 | johnx | I guess I should say "involved people/uninvolved people ratio" |
| 07:50.15 | Navi | Mmm |
| 07:50.27 | Navi | Too bad the tablet community isn't like the GP2X community |
| 07:50.41 | johnx | haha! now you're catching my evil plan :D |
| 07:50.47 | Navi | I wouldn't compare to openmoko |
| 07:50.50 | Navi | too unproductive |
| 07:50.59 | johnx | well, that too we'll have to work on :) |
| 07:51.02 | yigal | not like i'm using it much but the default player is giving me the following error "unable to perform operation. try again". any ideas? I use it for long bike rides, I just add my music collection, but now it doesnt work, although, a little find + mplayer does roughly the smae thing |
| 07:51.29 | johnx | Navi, Mer has two goals: brining up-to-date libs and a sane base for Maemo on the n8x0, and bringing the hildon UI to anything that can run ubuntu |
| 07:51.29 | Navi | you can use Canola, or something |
| 07:51.39 | Stskeeps | phew, qgil said maemo 5 would have xterm |
| 07:51.54 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, was there ever any doubt? |
| 07:51.55 | Stskeeps | imagine the firestorm otherwise |
| 07:52.10 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: you never know |
| 07:52.14 | Navi | johnx: well, honestly, I don't like the current UI, but ze future UI might be good |
| 07:52.18 | yigal | ya, need the 8gb+ card soon in my possesion |
| 07:52.34 | Navi | at least the libs and shtick are there |
| 07:52.43 | johnx | Navi, yeah, the current UI isn't great, just better than anything else |
| 07:52.48 | Stskeeps | johnx: saw wazds mockups last night btw? |
| 07:53.07 | johnx | Stskeeps, yup :) |
| 07:53.19 | yigal | i want xterm with mouse url support |
| 07:53.30 | johnx | Stskeeps, I saw the first one, was there more? |
| 07:53.31 | yigal | :) |
| 07:53.43 | Stskeeps | johnx: various vers |
| 07:54.05 | johnx | digs through logs |
| 07:54.33 | GeneralAntilles | yigal, tap'n'hold? |
| 07:56.09 | johnx | liking this one best I think: http://i039.radikal.ru/0901/d5/3a9207c44b02.png |
| 07:56.21 | yigal | GeneralAntilles: nice :) |
| 07:57.07 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, I always thought horizontal space was more important than vertical |
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| 07:57.34 | johnx | hence the top bar |
| 07:57.40 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, how easy are the layouts to edit? |
| 07:57.40 | johnx | or did you mean that the other way around? |
| 07:57.47 | johnx | sighs |
| 07:57.52 | GeneralAntilles | er, yeah, the top bar is good. |
| 07:57.55 | johnx | kind of a PITA to line everything up perfectly |
| 07:58.33 | GeneralAntilles | If only it were as easy as having wazd do a mockup. ;) |
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| 07:59.01 | johnx | well, even a non-programmer could do it, as long as they had patience and artistic sense (and basic math) |
| 07:59.27 | johnx | the matchbox part is an xml file and then the layout itself is in .osso/hildon-desktop/desktop.conf |
| 07:59.28 | GeneralAntilles | Which reminds me of an old game whose level editor was ClariWorks. |
| 07:59.53 | GeneralAntilles | s/Cari/Claris/ |
| 07:59.58 | johnx | I wrote a zelda clone that used vi or notepad for an editor |
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| 08:00.11 | johnx | want an enemy? type x |
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| 08:00.57 | johnx | the other part of a layout is of course redrawing all the affected .pngs |
| 08:01.13 | GeneralAntilles | Well, that, at least, we can make wazd do. |
| 08:01.21 | johnx | and you can't use theme maker if you're changing the layout |
| 08:01.49 | GeneralAntilles | I'd like to wait and see what Fremantle looks like. |
| 08:01.59 | GeneralAntilles | I have a suspicion that it may already address these issues. |
| 08:02.17 | johnx | My suspicion is that the new launcher is the most likely place to use clutter |
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| 08:02.40 | GeneralAntilles | Likely, but we can lift the layout anyway. |
| 08:02.42 | RST38h | or deprecate them by using a completely different ui |
| 08:02.53 | SaBer_ | Anyone familiar with Qt on Maemo? I'm having a sql plugin problem: http://rafb.net/p/ezHh4l38.html |
| 08:03.33 | johnx | RST38h, doesn't really matter. They're keeping libhildon and it seems like they're keeping largely API compatible (though I'd love to see that confirmed) |
| 08:03.38 | yigal | night, i thank you for your work, now a goodbye for now to all |
| 08:03.48 | johnx | 'night yigal |
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| 08:07.57 | johnx | The one thing I can think of is that I assume Maemo 5 will have rotation support so we might need a mockup for a 480x800 layout as well. That presents some interesting challenges... |
| 08:11.34 | johnx | anyways, I'm off to work, maybe I'll try and draw a crappy sketch of it on the train :) |
| 08:11.42 | Navi | woo |
| 08:11.44 | Navi | train |
| 08:12.09 | X-Fade | Morning. |
| 08:12.23 | Navi | Hullo, X-Fade |
| 08:12.48 | johnx | Navi, yup, the train: http://tinyurl.com/a8trs2 |
| 08:12.49 | Navi | How are you doing tonight? |
| 08:13.36 | X-Fade | wonders what will happen with Jaiku once Google opensources it.. |
| 08:14.15 | aquatix | morning all |
| 08:23.15 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: a lot of spread jaiku like systems |
| 08:23.18 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: and i think there should be mauku.maemo.org or something ;) |
| 08:23.56 | johnx | Stskeeps++ :D |
| 08:24.14 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: As long as they are able to sync with each other. |
| 08:24.43 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: yeah.. and that could potentially be a lot of traffic |
| 08:24.48 | X-Fade | For some things it is nice to have one central point where everybody can be found. |
| 08:24.53 | Stskeeps | on the other hand, it would be more sane than IRC. |
| 08:25.19 | johnx | irc<->jaiku gateway? |
| 08:25.21 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, did you see? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=257743&postcount=93 |
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| 08:25.49 | Stskeeps | still isn't sure of openid really |
| 08:25.51 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Yeah, we've discussed that. |
| 08:25.56 | X-Fade | But openid is really poor. |
| 08:26.21 | Navi | OpenID blows |
| 08:26.22 | X-Fade | It has all kinds of security implications and doesn't do account federation. |
| 08:26.32 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: do you have time to test b-man's new installer later today? we fixed the external/internal card problematique |
| 08:26.34 | Navi | Needs moar transparency |
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| 08:26.42 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, good to know, then. |
| 08:26.50 | Navi | and less headache inducing backend libs |
| 08:26.59 | Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: http://trac.tspre.org/bman/merinstaller_1.5.1-1_armel.deb |
| 08:27.33 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: FWIW, we are discussing a central ldap for all maemo services. But no outside accounts for now.. |
| 08:28.31 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: maybe act as a openid provider to satisfy those who want to make sites authing up towards maemo.org? |
| 08:29.11 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: That is an easier solution. But still, if you really look into openid.. it has problems. |
| 08:29.17 | Stskeeps | yeah, i know |
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| 08:30.09 | X-Fade | I like the 'one account for all' idea. |
| 08:30.17 | X-Fade | But it has to be done right ;) |
| 08:31.31 | Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: ok, thanks, i'll try it soon |
| 08:31.32 | Stskeeps | bugzilla & maemo.org account seperation definately is a problem :P |
| 08:32.16 | X-Fade | And every service we use should have support for it. (eg. midgard, gforge, bugzilla, ssh, svn, git, mailman etc etc.) |
| 08:32.26 | monkeyiq | And now to infect the rest of maemo with wiimote goodness! http://monkeyiq.blogspot.com/2009/01/didnt-your-n810-come-with-accelerometer.html |
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| 08:32.48 | X-Fade | Bugzilla has ldap support, so that could be an option. |
| 08:32.53 | GeneralAntilles | monkeyiq, why not move your stuff to Extras? |
| 08:33.36 | X-Fade | Although we need to update bugzilla first. And andre___ is feeling the pain ;) |
| 08:33.56 | monkeyiq | GeneralAntilles; I've been considering it for a while... I'll probably push some stuff over at some stage. |
| 08:34.34 | monkeyiq | GeneralAntilles; once I get past the initial package in extras... but currently I just build in sbox and rsync to the uni which is quick & nasty |
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| 08:38.27 | monkeyiq | GeneralAntilles; oh yeah, plus a few of the packages in my repo are simply recompiles poached from the debian srcs, so I'm not sure of the politics if I put those ones into extras. If its just my personal repo then thats another matter. |
| 08:38.59 | GeneralAntilles | There are no politics. |
| 08:39.01 | `Mace | boston legal cracks me up |
| 08:39.08 | `Mace | it's no wonder it did better than the practice |
| 08:39.39 | GeneralAntilles | `Mace, ever watch 30 Rock? |
| 08:39.51 | `Mace | 30 rock? |
| 08:40.10 | `Mace | no |
| 08:40.24 | GeneralAntilles | Well nevermind then. ;) |
| 08:40.28 | GeneralAntilles | I recommend it, though. :P |
| 08:40.47 | `Mace | heh |
| 08:42.23 | GeneralAntilles | Well, one of the character's in 30 Rock says "I watched 8 episodes of Boston Legal before I realized it wasn't a new Star Trek." So . . . . ;) |
| 08:42.35 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 08:42.38 | `Mace | hahaha |
| 08:42.42 | Stskeeps | http://flors.wordpress.com/2009/01/14/wanted-thesis-worker-for-embedded-linux-kernel-development/#comment-1534 <- interesting |
| 08:42.44 | `Mace | william shatner is awesome |
| 08:43.12 | Stskeeps | wasn't 7of9 in there too? :P |
| 08:43.17 | `Mace | he did shed the whole captain kirk thing |
| 08:43.25 | `Mace | probably in an episode |
| 08:43.30 | `Mace | wasn't 7 of 9 in another show? |
| 08:44.12 | Stskeeps | maybe |
| 08:44.21 | `Mace | she was hot in star trek |
| 08:44.25 | `Mace | not so hot in real life :) |
| 08:44.35 | Stskeeps | people get old.. |
| 08:44.38 | `Mace | i think it was the ass lifting breast lifting skin tight uniform |
| 08:45.14 | Stskeeps | i'm really happy with my fiancée's looks, even if she's 3 years older than me, she doesn't look like a train wreck like most people i grew up did already at 20 |
| 08:45.18 | `Mace | and the eye implant piece that kinda looked like a tattoo |
| 08:45.38 | `Mace | heh.. my gf is 28.. she's still hot |
| 08:45.47 | Stskeeps | 27yo here |
| 08:45.47 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:47.02 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: btw, what determined linkedness between a iTT account and a maemo.org account? |
| 08:47.39 | Stskeeps | determines, that is |
| 08:47.53 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: You can fill that in at account settings. |
| 08:48.00 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: In your maemo.org account. |
| 08:48.04 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 08:48.11 | Stskeeps | so it pulls karma and such from there as well |
| 08:48.17 | X-Fade | Manual pointer.. |
| 08:48.20 | Stskeeps | alright |
| 08:48.36 | X-Fade | So point to GA's account ;) |
| 08:48.55 | X-Fade | insta-karma[tm] ;) |
| 08:49.00 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 08:49.25 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/repos-a-la-mer/ , comment 9 - i'm willing to bet there's more people like that laying about |
| 08:52.25 | `Mace | spader plays a good role too |
| 08:53.35 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, :P |
| 08:54.09 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, nice looking theme. |
| 08:54.33 | Stskeeps | yeah - theme is good, but also interesting what he says from a technical point of view :) hope we'll see him around today |
| 08:54.53 | X-Fade | Yeah, that theme looks clean. |
| 08:55.01 | Stskeeps | having more people insane enough to dive into scratchbox and such, is a good asset |
| 08:55.04 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:57.09 | X-Fade | Yeah, you need to get people like that on board. |
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