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| 00:04.51 | b-man | lol |
| 00:10.17 | b-man | will be back, got to eat dinner |
| 00:10.34 | b-man | i'm back |
| 00:10.44 | Stskeeps | .. already? |
| 00:11.18 | b-man | yep, i eat fast |
| 00:11.57 | b-man | two bowls of spegettie* :p |
| 00:12.28 | wazd | http://s44.radikal.ru/i106/0901/d1/21eb06960d63.jpg - is that totaly crappy concept?) |
| 00:12.47 | soap | pretty coral |
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| 00:13.51 | b-man | starts to crack up from thinking about the look on Stskeeps face from telling him that. XD |
| 00:14.01 | Stskeeps | wazd: hehe, but kinda cool |
| 00:14.05 | Stskeeps | b-man: teenagers.. |
| 00:14.12 | b-man | lol |
| 00:15.37 | Stskeeps | wazd: is that a Nokia tire covered in corals I see on the bottom? :> |
| 00:16.18 | wazd | Stskeeps: damn, I thought I've covered it enough :P |
| 00:17.11 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, the burning looks like an evil miasma coming up from Nokia's tire. :P |
| 00:17.30 | GeneralAntilles | Rather than seaweed. |
| 00:17.58 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, overall I'm not sure. It's less clean than the original |
| 00:18.05 | GeneralAntilles | But the concept is nice |
| 00:18.47 | GeneralAntilles | It needs more depth either way. |
| 00:18.49 | wazd | The best solution will be to leave it alone) |
| 00:19.10 | wazd | More details will ruin it whatever they are |
| 00:19.41 | wazd | bubbles, seaweed or nokia tires :) |
| 00:19.48 | Stskeeps | wazd: screen saver could be background image becoming alive and fish swimming around.. ;> |
| 00:20.29 | wazd | Stskeeps: dreams dreams :) |
| 00:20.38 | Stskeeps | honestly though |
| 00:20.41 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 00:20.44 | Stskeeps | my gf has a nokia phone |
| 00:20.58 | Stskeeps | it has a screensaver and i rarely see the phone -actually- turn off display |
| 00:20.59 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, funnily enough, with the platforms Mer may end up on, we may actually need a screensaver! |
| 00:21.08 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: TV fireplace.. |
| 00:21.14 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, backlight's off, though? |
| 00:21.24 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: or dim |
| 00:21.28 | Stskeeps | the screensaver is still visible |
| 00:21.35 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, transflective |
| 00:21.40 | Stskeeps | it has pretty good battery life though |
| 00:21.42 | GeneralAntilles | My old 6682 is the same way |
| 00:21.55 | GeneralAntilles | I don't think it takes much power to leave the display on with on backlight. |
| 00:22.50 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: one thing that could be useful to ask Nokia for.. powertop like thing |
| 00:22.52 | wazd | I think the best screensaver in the world is black screen with white clock :) |
| 00:23.15 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, or the opposite, depending on your display. |
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| 00:51.54 | lcuk | wazd :) thats my current one |
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| 00:58.11 | churl | greetings all |
| 00:59.12 | bef0rd | hi churl |
| 01:00.07 | churl | can anyone help me with a few basic questions on using vnc viewer into my ubuntu |
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| 01:05.07 | churl | yo bef0rd |
| 01:05.50 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, ive added something to that page on the wiki (the discussion page) |
| 01:06.38 | bef0rd | ch4os, just ask |
| 01:06.41 | bef0rd | errhm |
| 01:06.47 | bef0rd | churl |
| 01:07.11 | churl | :) |
| 01:07.47 | churl | i guess, in a perfect working world, what would i need installed, and what would i run on the command line? |
| 01:08.04 | bef0rd | You need to enable remote desktop in ubuntu |
| 01:08.32 | bef0rd | System -> Preferences -> Remote desktop |
| 01:10.05 | bef0rd | 'Allow other users to view your desktop' and 'Allow other users to control your desktop' |
| 01:10.11 | churl | im pretty sure it's enabled, but i cant find it again (using xfce) |
| 01:10.26 | bef0rd | for security reasons, enable 'require a password..' |
| 01:10.35 | bef0rd | I think its called vino-preferences |
| 01:10.37 | bef0rd | let me check |
| 01:10.54 | bef0rd | yea, that's it |
| 01:11.48 | churl | i think it's under login window preferences |
| 01:12.01 | churl | allow remote system administrator login |
| 01:12.02 | bef0rd | no, that's something else |
| 01:12.42 | churl | not seeing any vino |
| 01:12.43 | bef0rd | try running vino-preferences from the terminal |
| 01:12.47 | churl | k |
| 01:13.15 | churl | not installed (ubuntu 8.10) |
| 01:13.37 | churl | do i need it? |
| 01:13.44 | bef0rd | yes |
| 01:14.06 | bef0rd | http://www.samlesher.com/ubuntu/remote-desktop-vnc-access-on-xubuntu-xfce-810/ |
| 01:15.00 | churl | k |
| 01:15.27 | churl | neat, ill try to go through this site bef0rd |
| 01:15.59 | bef0rd | just install vino, then you should be able to connect with your tablet using vnc viewer |
| 01:17.37 | churl | not working... reading on.. |
| 01:17.50 | churl | oh |
| 01:18.01 | churl | autostart it |
| 01:20.39 | churl | is vino server an app? |
| 01:20.45 | bef0rd | yes |
| 01:21.00 | churl | you'd think so |
| 01:21.19 | churl | i only get vino-passwd and vino-preferences |
| 01:21.45 | bef0rd | use the full path, /usr/lib/vino/vino-server |
| 01:21.51 | churl | :) |
| 01:22.40 | churl | HOLY BUCKETS! |
| 01:23.13 | churl | i really wish i would have googled xfce in my searches |
| 01:23.30 | churl | this wouldnt have taken me hours and hours and days and days |
| 01:23.37 | churl | again, i love you all |
| 01:23.53 | bef0rd | hehe |
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| 01:47.35 | Tales | what gives, I don't even have any apps open and the internal memory card is "still in use" |
| 01:47.51 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:48.21 | Tales | You're right. |
| 01:48.47 | Tales | "Unable to remove virtual memory." |
| 01:53.10 | b-man | have you tryed re-booting? |
| 01:54.18 | b-man | that works for me :) |
| 01:54.35 | churl | i think ill do the same! bye now! |
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| 02:19.13 | Tales | Yup,, I rebooted and that worked for me. |
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| 02:52.06 | AFBN810 | whats latest version of maemo |
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| 03:22.08 | AFBN810 | anyone around |
| 03:25.35 | Tales | Hey |
| 03:25.47 | Tales | Latest release version of maemo is 4.1 'diablo' I think |
| 03:25.53 | Tales | It's what I'm running on my N810. |
| 03:25.55 | GeneralAntilles | 5.2008.43-7 |
| 03:25.59 | Tales | Right. |
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| 03:30.06 | AFBN810 | how long it been out I still got 35-7 |
| 03:33.34 | GeneralAntilles | AFBN810, 43 is the week number |
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| 03:34.00 | Sargun | infobot, die |
| 03:34.01 | infobot | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 03:34.19 | GeneralAntilles | AFBN810, about a month, though. |
| 03:35.39 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo_(operating_system)#Release_history |
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| 03:46.41 | AFBN810 | I though os updates showed up in app manager |
| 03:47.00 | GeneralAntilles | AFBN810, they do. |
| 03:47.02 | GeneralAntilles | ~ssu |
| 03:47.03 | infobot | somebody said ssu was http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU |
| 03:47.06 | GeneralAntilles | See the troubleshooting |
| 03:47.37 | AFBN810 | wonder why I don't see it |
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| 04:17.24 | ciroip | someone with python and 5 minutes free to test how I can make hildon sound a wav? |
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| 04:30.00 | Macer | holy shit tropic thunder is a fucking riot |
| 04:31.19 | doc|home | lame |
| 04:31.25 | Macer | you think? i think it's pretty fucking funny |
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| 04:49.37 | doc|home | the webkit browser tear, is it like tear from your eye or tear paper? |
| 04:49.51 | doc|home | ok, just saw logo. It's eye tear :) |
| 04:51.18 | Vulcanis | I'm still going to call it tear as in paper |
| 04:51.51 | doc|home | hehe |
| 04:51.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps it's badly written tar |
| 04:52.09 | doc|home | I'm going to call it tear as in a tear from my eye because it's not working :( |
| 04:52.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | dispose of it and you can call it tear as in tear paper |
| 04:52.57 | GeneralAntilles | doc|home, try webkit-eal? |
| 04:53.29 | GeneralAntilles | doc|home, https://garage.maemo.org/projects/webkit-eal/ |
| 04:54.28 | doc|home | hmmm, ok |
| 05:04.31 | doc|home | GeneralAntilles: no difference, gtk_container_ad: assertion'GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed |
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| 05:06.19 | GeneralAntilles | Huh |
| 05:06.19 | GeneralAntilles | Restart? |
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| 05:06.33 | LopLiii | anyone using both 770 and 8x0? |
| 05:06.34 | doc|home | ok |
| 05:07.40 | LopLiii | is performance of them is very far? |
| 05:08.34 | GeneralAntilles | LopLiii, N8x0 is way faster. |
| 05:12.21 | doc|home | GeneralAntilles: hmmm, no difference |
| 05:13.10 | GeneralAntilles | doc|home, weird. . . . |
| 05:16.59 | LopLiii | thats weird |
| 05:17.14 | LopLiii | anyone using them both? |
| 05:17.49 | LopLiii | maybe to get a good bench is using mplayer to play some video |
| 05:18.33 | GeneralAntilles | Not really |
| 05:18.35 | GeneralAntilles | I have both |
| 05:18.39 | GeneralAntilles | N800 is so much faster. |
| 05:19.00 | GeneralAntilles | Browsing is worlds better. |
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| 05:26.44 | LopLiii | so0browsing is much faster and thus better on n800 but not much on multimedia perf. is that correct GeneralAntilles? |
| 05:27.51 | GeneralAntilles | Multimedia is a little better |
| 05:27.58 | LopLiii | If im not wrong you have too tried zaurus, hos that compared for performance and capabilty? |
| 05:28.03 | GeneralAntilles | LCD bandwidth is limited, so there's more overhead on the N8x0 |
| 05:28.15 | GeneralAntilles | Haven't tried Zaurus |
| 05:28.22 | GeneralAntilles | But everybody I know who has says the tablets are waaay faster. |
| 05:28.59 | LopLiii | anybody want to comment bout this? |
| 05:29.47 | GeneralAntilles | The Zauruss are ould |
| 05:29.55 | GeneralAntilles | and the XScale just doesn't stack up against ARM11 |
| 05:30.06 | LopLiii | so the z with pxa is behind omap? |
| 05:30.13 | GeneralAntilles | Waaay behind |
| 05:31.13 | LopLiii | someone told me , os200x is still using arm5 optimization for the code, any comment? |
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| 05:33.01 | GeneralAntilles | lies |
| 05:37.29 | GeneralAntilles | LopLiii, OS2005 and OS2006 are, because the 770 is ARM9 |
| 05:37.36 | GeneralAntilles | But OS2007/OS2008 are armv6 |
| 05:38.48 | LopLiii | thx for correct this |
| 05:40.02 | LopLiii | do you have any difficulty regarding of the performance of 770 and 8x0 while running emulator such palm and games? |
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| 05:40.35 | GeneralAntilles | N8x0 is way better |
| 05:41.05 | LopLiii | useful/playful ? |
| 05:41.36 | LopLiii | i mean so n8x0 will be usefull for that task? |
| 05:42.38 | LopLiii | i think palm will be emulated fast enough. But donk know bout game emulator? |
| 05:44.35 | LopLiii | Do you using tablets for reading a large pdf doc (size more than 40mb)? Is that opened and habdled properly (fast enough/usable)? |
| 05:45.16 | LopLiii | sory bout mistyped word, keyb is just too small |
| 05:47.07 | GeneralAntilles | Evince is fine for PDFs |
| 05:47.12 | GeneralAntilles | Game emulation is pretty good |
| 05:47.16 | GeneralAntilles | GBA and GB work great |
| 05:50.36 | solmumaha | morning |
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| 05:51.21 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: hi |
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| 06:08.22 | GeneralAntilles | Hi, disco_st. |
| 06:08.25 | GeneralAntilles | s/./u/ |
| 06:08.33 | GeneralAntilles | Check out the woot description this morning. |
| 06:09.42 | disco_stu | Check out the woot description this morning. <-- did not understand |
| 06:10.33 | GeneralAntilles | disco_stu, http://www.woot.com/ They're satirizing twitter |
| 06:11.10 | disco_stu | i see. |
| 06:11.29 | disco_stu | i created my fisrt twitter account a few hours ago |
| 06:11.33 | disco_stu | i like it |
| 06:11.40 | disco_stu | im using mauku |
| 06:13.56 | LopLiii | hi have anybody use os2008he on 770, usable ? i mean with that not so fast system? |
| 06:14.40 | solmumaha | LopLiii: not that usable imo |
| 06:15.57 | GeneralAntilles | LopLiii, depends very much on your use-case. |
| 06:16.02 | solmumaha | and you shouldn't consider getting a 770 |
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| 06:26.01 | LopLiii | yeah im offered 770 and 800 with price diff about 100usd so i need to make a wise decision :) |
| 06:26.02 | LopLiii | thanks god i can ask veterans here to gather a reliable answer |
| 06:26.22 | Proteous | when you see the 770 just RUN AWAY!!! |
| 06:26.42 | LopLiii | any answer to use n8x0 series as pdf ebook reader (large size with images)? |
| 06:26.44 | Proteous | NO QUESTIONS JUST RUN!!! |
| 06:26.57 | LopLiii | OK :) |
| 06:27.00 | Proteous | HEH |
| 06:27.03 | Proteous | er, heh |
| 06:27.05 | LopLiii | Im running now :) |
| 06:27.24 | Proteous | pdf == slow to render even on fast hardware |
| 06:28.25 | LopLiii | will it load then ? some pda just wont load it up or have a proper handle to make it readable.... |
| 06:28.36 | LopLiii | for large size ebook |
| 06:28.55 | Proteous | I've read PDFs on my old 770 before it WSODed |
| 06:29.00 | Proteous | was slow but it worked ine |
| 06:29.02 | Proteous | er, fine |
| 06:29.08 | Proteous | haven't tried it on my n810 |
| 06:29.30 | Proteous | I wasn't loading multi hundered meg PDF files |
| 06:29.42 | Proteous | hundred |
| 06:29.54 | Proteous | man, me = !spell |
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| 06:32.48 | LopLiii | loading time is not to much concern ... but needs usable one ... and not that hundred megs .... only a half hundred :) ..... that command line is still not supported Proteus .... :) .. by me |
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| 06:33.24 | LopLiii | os1999 .... sory .... |
| 06:34.03 | LopLiii | using some damaged language pack .... so here i am :) |
| 06:37.12 | Proteous | heh |
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| 07:45.13 | `Mace | yawn |
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| 07:54.17 | `Mace | hi |
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| 07:54.53 | Meiz_n810 | keytool: error while loading shared libraries: libjli.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 07:55.03 | Meiz_n810 | how can i get libjli.so? |
| 08:07.49 | aquatix | morning all |
| 08:09.48 | Meiz_n810 | morning |
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| 08:19.32 | pupnik | Children are pure evil. http://i39.tinypic.com/2d0jlma.jpg |
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| 08:21.33 | aquatix | now there's a cute picture |
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| 08:55.23 | pupnik | ok turns out she is a meme... http://www.buzzfeed.com/scott/disaster-girl |
| 08:55.35 | aquatix | *grin* |
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| 08:58.02 | pupnik | the beer truck disaster... |
| 09:01.18 | Macer | blah |
| 09:01.31 | Macer | i am watching babylon 5 |
| 09:01.46 | aquatix | is at work |
| 09:01.49 | Macer | wow they just don't make good shows liket his anymore |
| 09:01.54 | aquatix | heh |
| 09:02.04 | Macer | season 4 was spectactular |
| 09:02.11 | Macer | season 5 was rather shitty |
| 09:03.35 | aquatix | wants more time to watch serie |
| 09:03.37 | aquatix | *series |
| 09:10.35 | mgedmin | got bored and gave up early in season 5 |
| 09:11.27 | RST38h | same here |
| 09:11.34 | RST38h | but I gave up much earlier |
| 09:11.42 | aquatix | never started |
| 09:11.50 | RST38h | don't |
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| 09:28.19 | pupnik | 10:18 <@la**o> watching her [my girlfriend playing Crayon Physics] is like watching a monkey try to open a vault that has the combination painted right on the door. |
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| 09:29.00 | Proteous | lol |
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| 09:30.20 | Proteous | I watched all of babylon 5 |
| 09:30.32 | Proteous | the crusades movies were shit though |
| 09:30.43 | X-Fade | wazd: ping? |
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| 09:48.27 | Jaffa | Morning |
| 09:48.32 | Jaffa | wazd: ping |
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| 09:56.45 | lardman | morning all |
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| 09:56.58 | RST38h | MOURNING, LARDMAN |
| 09:57.05 | RST38h | (sorry, caps was on) |
| 09:57.20 | lardman | :) |
| 09:57.27 | lardman | morning RST38h |
| 09:57.48 | pupnik | speaking of mourning, see the movie 'Harold and Maude' |
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| 10:01.21 | RST38h | is it mournful enough? lots of tragic deaths? cemeteries? rainy scenes? |
| 10:01.49 | lardman | fog too |
| 10:01.56 | lardman | in the graveyards |
| 10:02.08 | RST38h | maybe, just maybe, a few good panoramas of the total destruction of humanity? |
| 10:02.53 | RST38h | (please! we are all tired of watching those Independence Day scenes) |
| 10:04.55 | aquatix | lardman: not only on graveyards here |
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| 10:17.34 | RST38h | Well th emovie starts with a funeral so it should satisfy the requirements |
| 10:21.47 | pupnik | Hal Ashby was the director. Also did 'Being There' starring Peter Sellers |
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| 10:35.39 | RST38h | Hehe, Quim's thread continues its spectacular eruption |
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| 11:02.28 | t_s_o | http://www.microsoft.com/tag/ <- should one worry, or just ignore? |
| 11:02.56 | Jaffa | Aren't there already 20 variations of that idea already? |
| 11:03.33 | t_s_o | probably, and none will catch on... |
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| 11:08.13 | AStorm | yeah, it'd need major collaboration |
| 11:08.20 | AStorm | even M$ doesn't have enough power to do that |
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| 11:09.12 | GeneralAntilles | Seems like most people on Planet don't click through. |
| 11:09.45 | GeneralAntilles | My community highlights post (which is arguably the much juicier post) has significantly more hearts than the wiki articles post. |
| 11:09.58 | GeneralAntilles | Which is shown in full while the highlights post is abbreviated. |
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| 11:22.27 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: did you know ahead of time which was going to be abbreviated? Perhaps more of a content summary than an introduction in future on the summarised ones? |
| 11:22.46 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, no, I'm sure it's a character count, but I don't know the number. |
| 11:22.52 | GeneralAntilles | I'm also sure X-Fade could tell me. |
| 11:23.06 | GeneralAntilles | Or maybe the abbreviation could be less severe. |
| 11:23.20 | GeneralAntilles | I'm loath to change my writing style for a stupid feed aggregator. ;) |
| 11:24.15 | X-Fade | Yesterday I changed the length of the article cut-off. |
| 11:24.24 | X-Fade | So maybe you see this? |
| 11:26.09 | X-Fade | On the planet it cuts of at 1000 words. The news page at something like 250 orso. |
| 11:26.52 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, well, compare "Wiki articles you're missing out on" to "Community Highlights" http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ |
| 11:27.15 | wazd | Noon everybody) |
| 11:27.52 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: 6 words above the cut off ;) |
| 11:28.21 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, well, could we make the abbreviated posts less . . . abbreviated? |
| 11:28.36 | GeneralAntilles | If 1000 is the cutoff, then show 1000 words? |
| 11:28.59 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: yes, the code now only takes the first paragraph if it is longer than the max number of words. |
| 11:29.00 | Jaffa | Or allow the abstract to be written separately |
| 11:29.28 | X-Fade | Which is easier to implement ;) |
| 11:30.04 | X-Fade | But it would be a lot better to count until the max word is reached and show every paragraph before that. |
| 11:30.54 | GeneralAntilles | I trimmed 6 words for the time being. |
| 11:30.58 | GeneralAntilles | You want an enhancement request? |
| 11:31.26 | X-Fade | Enhancement request or patch against: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/midgard-data/style/maemo2007/planet/index-item.php?revision=945&root=maemo2midgard :) |
| 11:33.05 | X-Fade | wazd: Are you limiting the number of chars of content in your feed by intent or because it is the default setting? |
| 11:35.35 | GeneralAntilles | Whose gonna nab bug #4000? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3999 |
| 11:35.41 | GeneralAntilles | s/Whose/Who's/ |
| 11:36.36 | aquatix | ooh |
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| 11:45.15 | lardman | hmm, looks like my Discussion karma has recovered a bit - I now have 38, but in comparison to my itt post karma (30) and indeed the itt thanks (133) do people think the weighting is a bit wrong? |
| 11:46.25 | Jaffa | only has 19 for ITT posts :-( |
| 11:46.28 | GeneralAntilles | Nah, we're just punishing you. |
| 11:46.32 | lardman | lol |
| 11:46.46 | lardman | well I think mailing list posts should have higher weighting than itt posts |
| 11:46.55 | GeneralAntilles | They do. |
| 11:46.56 | Jaffa | Agreed |
| 11:46.58 | GeneralAntilles | 1 karma per |
| 11:47.23 | lardman | hmm, well the karma is still broken I imagine |
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| 11:47.33 | lardman | I think I've sent one or two more than 38 emails |
| 11:47.37 | lardman | back to the bug..... |
| 11:47.46 | X-Fade | lardman: .3 was released yesterday. And we are planning to upgrade asap. |
| 11:48.01 | X-Fade | Just need to plan a nice time for the outage ;) |
| 11:48.02 | lardman | ah ok, no worries |
| 11:48.22 | Jaffa | X-Fade: is there a debug mode where you can see how your karma's been calculated (i.e. n maemo-* emails = ...)? |
| 11:48.26 | X-Fade | If it is still present after that upgrade, do complain :) |
| 11:48.30 | Jaffa | Might make it easier to game the system |
| 11:48.33 | Jaffa | +,tho |
| 11:48.43 | pupnik | "We now have the SGX video drivers in their entirety. We're just waiting for a few documents to come back signed and then we can release both the binary part and the open source driver shim to the public. Expect OpenGL ES demos soon." |
| 11:48.44 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Mails is 1 mail = 1 karma. |
| 11:48.55 | Jaffa | pupnik: ? |
| 11:49.02 | pupnik | pandy news |
| 11:49.06 | GeneralAntilles | Beagle/Pandora |
| 11:49.07 | lardman | pupnik: koen has already shown some opengl es demos on the beagleboard |
| 11:49.10 | Jaffa | Ah |
| 11:50.15 | lardman | X-Fade: will do |
| 11:50.48 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, I'm still truncated at 996 words. :( |
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| 11:51.14 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Updates only once per hour? |
| 11:51.26 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, number gathered from planet.maemo.org |
| 11:52.01 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Maybe it counts html as words too? :) |
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| 11:52.51 | johnx|zaurus | hey StsN800 :) |
| 11:52.52 | X-Fade | Let me read the code.. |
| 11:53.44 | X-Fade | Ah, counting before html stripping ;) |
| 11:53.50 | StsN800 | heya johnx |
| 11:53.52 | X-Fade | That should be an easy fix ;) |
| 11:53.56 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 11:54.00 | StsN800 | bbl exam |
| 11:56.18 | X-Fade | Hmm no it was stripping... |
| 11:58.04 | X-Fade | Ah, it deducts the words for the first paragraph from the total. |
| 11:58.21 | X-Fade | So you probably have about 1100 words in that article. |
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| 12:01.59 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, that was my original suspicion. |
| 12:02.11 | GeneralAntilles | But you threw me when I first brought it up. :P |
| 12:02.13 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: notice the _more_ in that link ;) |
| 12:02.51 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, Mr. 6 words above the cut off :P |
| 12:02.57 | X-Fade | But I agree that it needs to do a better job ;) |
| 12:03.39 | X-Fade | But 1000 is just an arbitrary limit _I_ set. It is open for discussion of course.. |
| 12:03.50 | GeneralAntilles | 1000 seems perfectly fine to me. |
| 12:04.20 | GeneralAntilles | The only thing that bothers me is how much is trimmed when that limit is breached. :P |
| 12:04.35 | X-Fade | Yes, that should be enhanced. |
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| 12:19.51 | lcuk | starts kung fu fighting |
| 12:20.14 | aquatix | o/` It was a little bit scaring o/` |
| 12:20.21 | aquatix | *frightning |
| 12:20.22 | aquatix | dammit |
| 12:20.32 | aquatix | types too fast |
| 12:20.34 | lcuk | karate chops you |
| 12:20.49 | mgedmin | you strikes back |
| 12:21.08 | aquatix | you knocks lcuk flat out |
| 12:21.08 | lcuk | hiya marius |
| 12:21.43 | lcuk | swings nun chucks around trying to look tough until they clout him in the nuts |
| 12:22.45 | lcuk | http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/13/0213238 |
| 12:22.47 | aquatix | *grin* |
| 12:22.51 | lcuk | microsoft tag |
| 12:23.01 | aquatix | oh |
| 12:23.10 | aquatix | 2004 called, they want their barcode back |
| 12:23.19 | aquatix | seriously, that has been done years ago |
| 12:23.27 | aquatix | those 2D ones |
| 12:23.34 | lcuk | heh |
| 12:23.51 | lcuk | but MS have leverage |
| 12:23.53 | aquatix | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QR_Code |
| 12:24.02 | aquatix | i think nokia tried it back then |
| 12:24.10 | aquatix | ah no |
| 12:24.13 | aquatix | it's japanese |
| 12:24.15 | aquatix | 1994 |
| 12:24.23 | lcuk | serious question: i have a library - if i wanted python bindings and stuff (as well as a completed api) where might i look and who would i be best to talk to |
| 12:24.56 | lcuk | aquatix, the barcode stuff might work in the winmobile phones |
| 12:24.58 | mgedmin | a C library, right? |
| 12:25.09 | lcuk | yeah |
| 12:25.10 | aquatix | lcuk: yeah, but it's nothing new |
| 12:25.12 | mgedmin | a quick and dirty option is ctypes |
| 12:25.16 | aquatix | they are doing it already |
| 12:25.40 | lcuk | marius, whats ctypes - does it just drag over the stuff? |
| 12:26.02 | lcuk | im looking for a bit of instant gratification, i wanna see if its possible to init and run libliqbase from python without any serious devkit |
| 12:26.04 | mgedmin | ctypes is a way to convert Python data types to C types and invoke C functions |
| 12:26.08 | mgedmin | with no safety belts |
| 12:26.23 | mgedmin | i..e. you pass an int instead of a char*, you get memory corruption you asked for |
| 12:26.24 | lcuk | ahhh no, this is the other way round, i have the c lib already |
| 12:26.31 | mgedmin | well, yes |
| 12:26.55 | mgedmin | ctypes is a python module that lets people quickly whip up something that looks like a python binding for a c lib |
| 12:27.01 | mgedmin | there are other bindings generators |
| 12:27.03 | mgedmin | like swig |
| 12:27.15 | mgedmin | I think pyrex/cython can also be used for that |
| 12:27.25 | mgedmin | I'm not very familiar with generating bindings |
| 12:27.30 | mgedmin | I'm more of a user of generated bindings ;) |
| 12:28.08 | lcuk | yeah mgedmin thats the thing, if i can create the bindings it gives you the option of using the lib which is at this point out of bounds |
| 12:28.32 | lcuk | binds |
| 12:28.35 | lcuk | bindings |
| 12:28.37 | lcuk | ffs |
| 12:28.52 | mgedmin | I think you must be using the phrase 'python bindings' in a way other than what it normally means |
| 12:29.02 | mgedmin | do you want python code to invoke your stuff |
| 12:29.09 | mgedmin | or do you want your stuff to be scriptable with python code? |
| 12:29.23 | lcuk | i dont know how to describe it, the whole library thing is new to me as well :$ |
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| 12:29.33 | mgedmin | the first thing is bindings |
| 12:29.38 | mgedmin | the second one is embedding a python interpreter |
| 12:29.52 | lcuk | i want to be able to (in python) open_liqbase_window() load_picture() draw_pterry_stuff() |
| 12:29.54 | mgedmin | http://docs.python.org/c-api/index.html may help |
| 12:30.01 | mgedmin | then you want bindings |
| 12:30.14 | mgedmin | and you can build them with pyrex (or cython), or with swig, or with ctypes |
| 12:30.27 | mgedmin | ctypes is the simplest & quickest way, but it's not the "right" or "safe" way |
| 12:30.46 | lcuk | ok, ill do some investigation later then :) thanks |
| 12:30.59 | mgedmin | then there's the manual way of doing it in C, as described in http://docs.python.org/c-api/index.html |
| 12:31.20 | mgedmin | or maybe http://docs.python.org/extending/index.html#extending-index |
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| 12:31.44 | Andrewfblack | Morning |
| 12:31.55 | lcuk | heh starting to look like embedding python interpreter inside - i know thats a different issue |
| 12:32.20 | lcuk | (though i once did that with vbscript in one of my apps :) ) |
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| 12:39.16 | X-Fade | lcuk: Looks familiar? http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/12/video-coder-whips-up-working-multitouch-demonstration-on-t-mobi/ |
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| 12:43.08 | StsN800 | phew, that exam over with |
| 12:43.29 | StsN800 | waiting for grade |
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| 12:44.20 | StsN800 | johnx, xchat on mer on zaurus? |
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| 12:54.33 | RST38h | Edinburgh librarians are apparently "seething" after the powers that be decided they should henceforth be known as audience development officers as part of a plan to drag libraries kicking and screaming into the 21st century |
| 12:54.39 | RST38h | Umgh |
| 12:57.29 | Andrewfblack | hey stsn800 you there |
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| 13:00.32 | Andrewfblack | StsN800 which minimize/close buttons do you like better for this theme? http://andrewblck.com/Stuff/ss1.png is the old http://andrewblck.com/Stuff/ss2.png is the new ones |
| 13:02.39 | lcuk | X-Fade, looks interesting, its using the synaptic pad code which is 1d, just ran over both axis, its very cube oriented and does not allow rotation in the way my testing does |
| 13:02.55 | aquatix | Andrewfblack: the new ones look more consistent to the rest |
| 13:03.06 | aquatix | but i'm not too enthousiastic about the sharp arrow |
| 13:03.14 | X-Fade | lcuk: yeah, it is exactly the same thing we can do.. |
| 13:03.37 | Andrewfblack | aquatix thanks for the input |
| 13:04.04 | lcuk | yeah - nnot a true solution (which is why i never pushed it) is it the fact its android that ppl are making a fuss of his? |
| 13:04.37 | X-Fade | lcuk: Multitouch is a nice marketing thing. Creates hype. |
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| 13:05.29 | RST38h | Andrew: why not made the arrow of the same elements you made the close button of? |
| 13:05.45 | aquatix | yeah |
| 13:05.53 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, ZOMG TOO FINGRS! |
| 13:05.54 | aquatix | blunt points |
| 13:05.58 | RST38h | yep |
| 13:05.59 | lcuk | yeah of course, but its not though and because you have to be very mechanical and balanced in your use its not at all like the fruity things |
| 13:06.02 | aquatix | more like a v |
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| 13:06.26 | RST38h | if it becomes awkward, you can make it a downward pointing triangle |
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| 13:07.14 | wazd_hp | screw this :) |
| 13:07.24 | Andrewfblack | aquatix you guys talking about the menu icon arrow? |
| 13:07.37 | lcuk | anyway, shall read more later :) |
| 13:07.41 | RST38h | Andrew: no, the minimize arrow |
| 13:07.43 | aquatix | wasn't |
| 13:07.48 | aquatix | yeah, minimise |
| 13:07.54 | mxttie|work | hi, is there somewhere on maemo.org a list of devices which run the maemo platform? |
| 13:07.57 | aquatix | the menu icon arrow is... weird |
| 13:08.05 | aquatix | it looks out of place |
| 13:08.09 | lcuk | RST38h, you are here, any chance you have an optimized 8bit bitmap rotation algo anywhere? |
| 13:08.11 | Andrewfblack | minimise arrow is same arrow as the scroll bar arrows just bigger |
| 13:08.32 | aquatix | Andrewfblack: i don't quite like those either :) |
| 13:08.37 | GeneralAntilles | mxttie|work, 770, N800, N810, N810 WiMAX Edition |
| 13:08.42 | wazd_hp | http://i042.radikal.ru/0901/26/eea82b512f1d.jpg < some crazy insomnia stuff |
| 13:08.46 | aquatix | but smallish like them and with a circle they are ok |
| 13:09.13 | aquatix | wazd_hp: insomnia? |
| 13:09.24 | aquatix | nice font btw |
| 13:09.31 | aquatix | which is it? |
| 13:09.33 | Andrewfblack | lol I guess you wouldn't like the menu arrows either then whats wrong with them? |
| 13:09.39 | wazd_hp | aquatix: well, that was made at 5am so)) |
| 13:09.51 | wazd_hp | aquatix: homebrew |
| 13:10.26 | mxttie|work | GeneralAntilles: thanks. a lot less than I thought :) I then assume there isn't any list anywhere because it is just so short :) |
| 13:10.56 | GeneralAntilles | mxttie|work, it may expand at some point through unofficial support (some are working on Pandora support), but Nokia doesn't license it. |
| 13:10.59 | aquatix | Andrewfblack: not sure, i think they're a bit sharp |
| 13:11.20 | aquatix | oh, menu arrows |
| 13:11.20 | aquatix | erm |
| 13:11.31 | Andrewfblack | aquatix so you think some rounder arrows would match the theme better |
| 13:11.34 | aquatix | well, the menu arrow in the title bar looks out of place |
| 13:11.56 | mxttie|work | GeneralAntilles: oh, ok. didn't realise it is nokia only |
| 13:12.01 | aquatix | Andrewfblack: i like the arrow in the gray circle in the middle, for example |
| 13:12.08 | aquatix | but that's almost a v |
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| 13:12.20 | aquatix | it can be filled a bit more, like the current ones |
| 13:12.36 | GeneralAntilles | mxttie|work, personally, I don't agree with the decision and would like to see it positioned as the "de-facto" mobile Linux, but what can you do? ;) |
| 13:14.04 | Andrewfblack | aquatix you saying you like the arrow in the applet section better |
| 13:14.27 | wazd_hp | what arrow are you discussing guys? |
| 13:14.47 | Andrewfblack | http://andrewblck.com/Stuff/ss2.png |
| 13:15.00 | lcuk | RST38h, ill talk to you later |
| 13:15.19 | Andrewfblack | wazd_hp working on my Mer theme |
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| 13:15.36 | aquatix | Andrewfblack: yes |
| 13:15.42 | aquatix | the one from skype or something? |
| 13:16.13 | Andrewfblack | aquatix its the standard Nokia arrow thats why you like it so much lol |
| 13:16.17 | aquatix | i'm not a fan of too sharp arrows, or at least not how the minimise button is drawn now |
| 13:16.26 | wazd_hp | cross copied from x-chat s bad |
| 13:16.35 | aquatix | Andrewfblack: nah, it's the other way around: they chose one that i like :) |
| 13:16.36 | wazd_hp | it's cropped at the bottom |
| 13:17.10 | aquatix | Andrewfblack: but maybe blunting the top 2 pieces of the sharp arrow will suffice |
| 13:17.22 | aquatix | you know what i mean? |
| 13:17.38 | Andrewfblack | wazd_hp cross is coppiedfrom xchat just simular also fixed cut off bottom allrady |
| 13:18.01 | wazd_hp | andrewfblack: good :) |
| 13:18.48 | wazd_hp | I think you should move left border of statusbar to the right |
| 13:19.04 | wazd_hp | so it would be same border as on the right |
| 13:19.11 | wazd_hp | now it';s way wider |
| 13:19.54 | Andrewfblack | wazd_hp ok |
| 13:20.19 | wazd_hp | And you should do minimize and close icons smaller, then it's block will have same padding as statusbar |
| 13:20.58 | aquatix | Andrewfblack: are we allowed to use Tango? |
| 13:21.10 | aquatix | or would you rather do something new |
| 13:21.13 | Andrewfblack | wazd_hp these are old minimize/close buttons liek them better? http://andrewblck.com/Stuff/ss1.png |
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| 13:21.41 | Andrewfblack | aquaatix Tango? |
| 13:22.24 | wazd_hp | Andrewfblack: well, it's standart photoshop arrows)) |
| 13:22.55 | aquatix | Andrewfblack: the Tango icon project |
| 13:22.58 | aquatix | I rather like it |
| 13:23.10 | aquatix | almost every linux distro uses it nowadays |
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| 13:23.19 | Andrewfblack | wazd_hp yep I suck at drawning arrows always lop sided on one side |
| 13:23.21 | aquatix | ubuntu's Human is a variation on it I think |
| 13:23.38 | aquatix | Andrewfblack: yeah, the sharp arrow is slightly lopsided too right? |
| 13:23.44 | wazd_hp | Andrewfblack: I think minimize arrow should be the same size as the cross |
| 13:23.45 | aquatix | was modifying it |
| 13:23.52 | aquatix | wazd_hp: that too |
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| 13:24.55 | aquatix | fires up inkscape |
| 13:25.09 | Andrewfblack | Widest part of arrow is same as widest part of cross I beleave |
| 13:25.33 | Stskeeps | hehe, it's nice to see so much theme cooperation :) |
| 13:25.55 | Andrewfblack | hey Stskeeps |
| 13:26.27 | wazd_hp | Stskeeps: I've made some "loading..." stuff for Mer, not sure you'll like it :) |
| 13:26.28 | RST38h | the arrow is seriously ugly, really |
| 13:26.35 | mxttie|work | GeneralAntilles: hehe :) yeah, it looks very neat and certainly looks like an appealing candidate for general mobile linux. maybe one day in the future ;) (forgot to press enter =)) |
| 13:26.52 | Andrewfblack | Anyone want to make new arrows for the theme? |
| 13:27.02 | Stskeeps | wazd_hp: hehe, we'll see :) |
| 13:27.13 | Stskeeps | wazd_hp: we can use ".ani" files too it seems like though |
| 13:27.14 | wazd_hp | http://i042.radikal.ru/0901/26/eea82b512f1d.jpg |
| 13:27.15 | GeneralAntilles | mxttie|work, well, Ubuntu Mobile is using Hildon |
| 13:27.19 | GeneralAntilles | and the UI is really the most interesting part |
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| 13:27.47 | RST38h | wazd: that font...it is not from FreeRunner phone by any chance? |
| 13:28.12 | wazd_hp | RST38h: well, it was hand maded this night :) |
| 13:28.28 | wazd_hp | RST38h: Haven't seen FreeRunner font actually :) |
| 13:28.35 | aquatix | sucks at arrows too |
| 13:28.44 | aquatix | but why not look at Tango stuff, for example? |
| 13:28.54 | mxttie|work | GeneralAntilles: thanks for the tip. looks like I need to read up a bit |
| 13:28.55 | aquatix | there are a *lot* of icons already done |
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| 13:29.27 | aquatix | wazd_hp: i like the font |
| 13:29.31 | aquatix | can i have it? :) |
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| 13:30.02 | wazd_hp | RST38h: Btw, your gameboy icon proves my point bout .svg icons for now :) |
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| 13:30.14 | wazd_hp | RST38h: they suck at detalization |
| 13:30.31 | aquatix | detalization? |
| 13:30.33 | wazd_hp | RST38h: pretty solid icon though, I had nothing to change) |
| 13:31.16 | aquatix | oh |
| 13:31.16 | wazd_hp | aquatix: level of details I mean :) |
| 13:31.20 | aquatix | yeah |
| 13:31.25 | aquatix | well |
| 13:31.35 | aquatix | you can put a lot of details in svg's :) |
| 13:31.48 | aquatix | but that'll make rendering slow i think |
| 13:31.52 | wazd_hp | aquatix: and nothing would render it :) |
| 13:32.09 | aquatix | the reason why most icons are png's are because they are rendered specifically for that size |
| 13:32.18 | aquatix | source is generally svg even |
| 13:32.30 | aquatix | if i read Tango's stories right :) |
| 13:33.14 | aquatix | you might want to contact Hylke Bons for example (http://www.bomahy.nl/hylke/blog/) |
| 13:33.19 | aquatix | did the pidgin icons too |
| 13:33.22 | wazd_hp | you can even do photorealistic graphics with straight hands like that http://neatorama.cachefly.net/images/2006-08/photorealistic-vector-art.jpg |
| 13:33.23 | Stskeeps | mxttie|work: http://daimi.au.dk/~cvm/DSC00007.JPG <- Mer (+ hildon) on a x86 on a TV screen ;) |
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| 13:33.48 | aquatix | Stskeeps: :) |
| 13:33.52 | mxttie|work | lol |
| 13:33.55 | aquatix | wazd_hp: nice |
| 13:34.28 | wazd_hp | but just showing that image in realtime would kill the CPU softly :) |
| 13:36.04 | aquatix | depends on the cpu ;) |
| 13:36.38 | aquatix | but using svg on maemo might not work that nicely |
| 13:36.55 | aquatix | but for source files, it's fine |
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| 13:38.15 | wazd | http://www.bomahy.nl/hylke/blog - that designer definitely has 2 suns on his earth |
| 13:39.55 | aquatix | why? |
| 13:40.14 | aquatix | i only see a shadow coming from that setting sun |
| 13:40.37 | wazd | but the house itself is lighten from the other side |
| 13:40.39 | aquatix | but the house is lighted weirdly from `our' side indeed |
| 13:40.54 | wazd | sun is on the back, light is on the front |
| 13:41.01 | aquatix | yeah |
| 13:41.07 | aquatix | file a ticket ;) |
| 13:41.37 | Andrewfblack | maybe there is a street light you can't see in image |
| 13:41.57 | aquatix | sniggers from behind his large flashlight |
| 13:42.18 | wazd | Andrewfblack: or it's some crazy xenon flash :) |
| 13:42.24 | aquatix | heh :) |
| 13:44.28 | wazd | details are everything in our world :) |
| 13:47.00 | aquatix | loves details |
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| 13:53.54 | RST38h | wazd: Ugly? Large? Slow to render? |
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| 13:55.12 | Jaffa | pfffts at texrat getting the hump at him. |
| 13:55.48 | wazd | whoa, my blog's QR code :) http://mojiq.kazina.com/temp/1231854901_22289.png |
| 13:56.26 | mgedmin | Jaffa: did you see my patch to mud-builder's vim.xml? |
| 13:56.30 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, it's a day of strong emotions on itT. |
| 13:56.41 | wazd | RST38h: no, it's totaly fine but it too low-detailed to my mind |
| 13:57.01 | Jaffa | mgedmin: I did, indeed. Thanks. Haven't had a chance to apply it yet |
| 13:57.15 | wazd | RST38h: maybe I can make one icon for S60 and other for rendering? |
| 13:57.32 | Jaffa | Oh. Joy. Sv's stopped working (Intrepid issue?) |
| 13:58.18 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I've got a lovely PM telling me off for making things personal. |
| 13:58.57 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, :roll: |
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| 13:59.12 | Jaffa | lo etrunko |
| 13:59.36 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, drama city. I wonder if he's running on sleep deprivation. . . . |
| 13:59.52 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: it's a fine excuse, I tell you :) |
| 14:00.26 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, we should add a "[ ] Sleep deprived" checkbox to every post |
| 14:00.26 | AFB|Away | I havn't goten to tell anyone off yet today |
| 14:00.48 | Jaffa | AFB|Away: shout at me, I can take it |
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| 14:01.06 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Just a 20 second delay and then 'Are you still sure?' |
| 14:01.13 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: too sleep deprived to care? ;) |
| 14:01.28 | AFB|Away | Jaffa To tired or I would |
| 14:01.45 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: most likely |
| 14:01.58 | Veggen | Oh, the sound of illusions breaking. Got a mail from a customer, Cc'ed to our new boss, who promptly asks "And this goes directly in mail, without being reported according to the correct process?" |
| 14:01.58 | RST38h | wazd: That is possible but Maemo alone requires three differently sized icons |
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| 14:02.36 | RST38h | wazd: and Windows is kinda color-limited when it comes to icons |
| 14:03.52 | wazd | RST38h: what I want is to do 2 different .svg's |
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| 14:04.03 | wazd | RST38h: less detailed and more detailed |
| 14:04.07 | RST38h | wazd: Fully detailed and simple? |
| 14:04.11 | RST38h | Yea, this will work |
| 14:04.16 | wazd | RST38h: good) |
| 14:04.54 | RST38h | Veggen: Wait until he starts implementing his policies... |
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| 14:05.50 | Veggen | Nah, she is the fourth boss I've had in this department. Noone has so far managed to change me ;P |
| 14:06.32 | Veggen | (or anyone, for that matter :) |
| 14:08.54 | etrunko | hey Jaffa, GeneralAntilles, X-Fade |
| 14:09.06 | GeneralAntilles | Welcome back, etrunko. :P |
| 14:09.18 | etrunko | already time |
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| 14:13.09 | wazd | wishes to be xhtml guru that codes mulibilliondollar startups in the notepad :( |
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| 14:15.06 | RST38h | Veggen: lemme guess, they all got fired after trying to implement proper email accounting policies and shutting down ALL communicaiton with customers? |
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| 14:16.42 | Veggen | RST38h: nah. The two first one got tired of being boss and ended up project leaders, the third one moved upwards. |
| 14:17.31 | Veggen | RST38h: All of them have done a decent job, and *at least* not stopped us from doing our work :) |
| 14:18.50 | RST38h | Veggen: the last one is 90% of theyir job really |
| 14:19.16 | Veggen | Agreed. |
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| 14:20.03 | Veggen | but the former one was unable to do any sort of prioritizing. If we said we had two tasks that was gonna take the whole week, he'd say "ok. Then you need to finish first one in a half week, second one in the last half". |
| 14:20.15 | RST38h | hehe |
| 14:20.58 | RST38h | and two peopel should be able to finish it in half the time? :) |
| 14:21.33 | Veggen | A boss once, in an info-meeting, said, on talking about work moral etc., that he hoped we did do the boring tasks also. |
| 14:21.53 | Veggen | So I promptly raised my hand, and said "No, I don't". |
| 14:21.57 | Veggen | Him: "?!?" |
| 14:22.40 | Veggen | "No. Noone can tell me what is important, and I have *more* than enough to do. And if it's up to *me* to prioritize, I can and *will* choose the fun stuff" |
| 14:23.52 | Veggen | luckily, we don't have to have that much respect for authorities in this country. |
| 14:24.09 | Veggen | I once told my boss to hang up the phone and *don't* call again, ever! |
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| 14:24.45 | Stskeeps | oh thank god nokia |
| 14:24.47 | Stskeeps | some sanity |
| 14:24.49 | Stskeeps | https://stage.maemo.org/viewcvs.cgi/projects/haf/trunk/osso-af-startup/services/af-defines.sh?sortby=date&root=maemo&r1=17101&r2=17100&pathrev=17101 |
| 14:25.00 | Stskeeps | store MyDocs on MMC |
| 14:25.14 | mgedmin | the internal one |
| 14:25.15 | mgedmin | hmm |
| 14:25.28 | mgedmin | my previous n810 periodically corrupted the internal mmc |
| 14:25.40 | mgedmin | I'm overjoyed knowing nokia thinks it's safe for my documents |
| 14:25.56 | RST38h | Veggen <--- basically aspiring to be fired with prejudice =) |
| 14:26.14 | Stskeeps | mgedmin: there's hints that it is a huge internal mmc, so |
| 14:26.42 | Veggen | RST38h: nah, he deserved it. He'd been calling me and bothering me with questions about whether or not I was gonna finish (as I had *said* I would), every half hour all day. |
| 14:27.14 | RST38h | Veggen: "I promise you to finish before you quit!: |
| 14:27.26 | RST38h | Did you finish before he quit btw? |
| 14:27.58 | Veggen | RST38h: oh, I was finished by the day after, because he *did* actually not call me again that day, so that I was finally able to concentrate on the job :) |
| 14:28.00 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: I've already set MYDOCSDIR to /media/mmc2/MyDocs. No backup worries on reflash |
| 14:28.33 | RST38h | Jaffa: Is this sufficient for all the apps or should I symlink it instead ? |
| 14:29.43 | Jaffa | It's sufficient for everything which uses Hildon's file chooser. |
| 14:30.18 | Jaffa | There seems to be an odd side-effect that it no longer goes to the correct subcategory (e.g. Images when selecting File > Open in the Images app), but other than that, no problems. |
| 14:30.50 | RST38h | ah...but stuff like Maemo Mapper won't heed it... |
| 14:31.18 | Jaffa | If something has a hard-coded path to /home/user/MyDocs, it's a bug. If an existing config file references it, it'd need updating |
| 14:32.08 | GeneralAntilles | itt |
| 14:32.16 | GeneralAntilles | (stupid focus bugs) |
| 14:32.47 | GeneralAntilles | I wonder if the person s/Scratchbox/Sandbox/g is the same on both itT and the lists. <_< |
| 14:32.56 | Stskeeps | probably |
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| 14:34.13 | RST38h | troll? |
| 14:34.26 | Stskeeps | wazd: ever saw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h24f2YjzWBE btw? |
| 14:35.31 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, no, I don't believe so. Probably just willfully ignorant. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=257211 |
| 14:39.27 | RST38h | "willfully ignorant" is a good term |
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| 14:43.08 | wazd | Stskeeps: nope |
| 14:43.50 | Stskeeps | wazd: think it's a place that needs to be styled? i did it rather engineer like :) it's the place you go when you've messed up your tablet and want to go into safe mode, connect through USB; whatever ;) |
| 14:44.37 | wazd | Stskeeps: well, maybe :) |
| 14:44.54 | wazd | Stskeeps: can it show a row menu to select items? |
| 14:45.06 | Stskeeps | wazd: well it's a rather simple script :) |
| 14:45.13 | Stskeeps | "row menu"? |
| 14:45.35 | wazd | Stskeeps: simple row of icons |
| 14:45.45 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 14:45.52 | wazd | Stskeeps: like canola or whatever) |
| 14:46.08 | wazd | Stskeeps: with same d-pad selection |
| 14:46.18 | Stskeeps | well the issue is that the thing i use for it is the same as splash screen, so it shows one image at a time :> |
| 14:46.39 | wazd | Stskeeps: Ah, that's even easier |
| 14:47.11 | wazd | Stskeeps: I have to just draw row and respective selections on it) |
| 14:47.17 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 14:47.44 | Stskeeps | wonders why the bloody hell hildon input method stopped working |
| 14:48.45 | wazd | Stskeeps: what options does this menu have? |
| 14:49.58 | Stskeeps | wazd: right now, "Start Mer normally", "Activate console on framebuffer" "Act as a ethernet USB gadget with telnetd open" "Act as a serial USB gadget with shell" "Reboot" |
| 14:50.38 | Stskeeps | i just wonder if it even needs styling, since its pretty clear when you use it :P |
| 14:50.44 | Stskeeps | except it looks a bit 80s like :> |
| 14:52.46 | wazd | Stskeeps: definitely yes :)) |
| 14:53.04 | wazd | Stskeeps: It really looks like "Hello 80s" :D |
| 14:53.09 | Stskeeps | i liked the 80s.. |
| 14:53.10 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 14:56.18 | wazd | can image be 800x480 for that menu?) |
| 14:56.44 | Stskeeps | well, if you lay in the text too, yes, but there's a bit of stuff in the bottom as you might see |
| 14:56.53 | Stskeeps | we abuse the splash screen program for this so |
| 14:58.15 | wazd | so it's for Mer now, not deblet?) |
| 14:58.26 | Stskeeps | yeah, i took it from deblet, Mer's deblet successor :) |
| 14:59.01 | Stskeeps | we were able to reuse a lot of things so |
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| 14:59.19 | Stskeeps | also it can be both png and jpg |
| 14:59.50 | Stskeeps | okay, i gotta catch my bus |
| 14:59.52 | Stskeeps | be back in 30 mins |
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| 15:16.32 | johnx | cold cold cold :( |
| 15:16.39 | johnx | hey Stskeeps |
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| 15:24.16 | stephen_ | has anyone done any status bar app work in python? |
| 15:26.03 | johnx | stephen_, there's pybattery (I tihnk it's called) |
| 15:26.07 | johnx | let me find you a link |
| 15:26.28 | stephen_ | thank you |
| 15:26.42 | johnx | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24905&highlight=pybattery |
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| 15:27.11 | stephen_ | thanks :) |
| 15:27.15 | johnx | sure :) |
| 15:27.25 | johnx | what kind of applet are you planning to make? |
| 15:27.55 | stephen_ | something that allows me to give status updates |
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| 15:28.48 | stephen_ | like libnotify |
| 15:29.12 | AStorm | oh, isn't there a libnotify client already? |
| 15:29.17 | AStorm | used for "Battery full" and such |
| 15:29.28 | stephen_ | i'll need to take a look :) |
| 15:30.02 | qwerty12 | AStorm, it receives those events over dbus |
| 15:30.14 | stephen_ | oh really? |
| 15:30.32 | stephen_ | so if I publish a message to the notifier, over the dBus, it will display it on screen? |
| 15:30.56 | qwerty12 | I think the battery applet is only configured to listen out for battery events |
| 15:31.20 | qwerty12 | But, yes, you can use dbus signals to trick the applet |
| 15:32.32 | johnx | qwerty12, but there's other ways to print little notifcation bubbles than just tricking battery applet, right? |
| 15:33.03 | qwerty12 | johnx, yes, http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.0/hildon/HildonBanner.html |
| 15:33.18 | johnx | stephen_, ^^probably what you want :) |
| 15:33.39 | stephen_ | is there a python wrapper? |
| 15:34.22 | qwerty12 | Yes, I think it has the same name but with "hildon." in front. advanced-power uses it a lot to my knowledge so search for banner in the adv-power python file and you'll see it there |
| 15:34.48 | stephen_ | great thanks :D |
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| 15:34.57 | qwerty12 | np |
| 15:37.47 | Stskeeps | johnx: i'm still baffled why h-i-m stops working |
| 15:37.48 | qwerty12 | stephen_, this may help: http://lovebug356.blogspot.com/2007/08/hildon-banner-in-pymaemo.html |
| 15:37.50 | Stskeeps | hooking it up with usb now |
| 15:38.16 | stephen_ | thanks :) |
| 15:38.19 | johnx | Stskeeps, will poke at it in a sec. I worked on a 640x480 layout BTW. might be easier than I thought |
| 15:39.08 | Stskeeps | hehe, so you were on a zaurus with mer earlier or? |
| 15:39.21 | johnx | yeah, on the train :) |
| 15:39.38 | johnx | ah, but the keymap is all wonky in xorg on a zaurus, so I was on irssi |
| 15:40.11 | johnx | err...IRC at my desk, layout on the train |
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| 15:40.11 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 15:40.28 | johnx | I guess I should sort out tethering over USB or IRDA to my phone |
| 15:41.12 | aquatix | if those clamshell zauri had had bluetooth, i would have had a zaurus |
| 15:42.06 | Stskeeps | mm. there's nothing like a good drink after an exam |
| 15:42.27 | lardman | aquatix: and wifi too, there were no cf wifi cards that fitted flush |
| 15:42.34 | johnx | aquatix, actually, I'll probably be switching out my cf wifi card for a cf bluetooth card after I get a phone capable of tethering over BT |
| 15:42.36 | aquatix | Stskeeps: something alcoholic |
| 15:42.38 | aquatix | lardman: yeah |
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| 15:43.16 | aquatix | once specced out an order for a zaurus with wifi card, extra battery and such and came at a price of about 1kEUR |
| 15:43.22 | aquatix | which was a tad... much ;) |
| 15:43.31 | johnx | definitely :) |
| 15:43.34 | Stskeeps | aquatix: of course |
| 15:43.57 | johnx | I dropped <$400USD on my C1000 and probably $150+ on various CF wifi cards as they failed over the years :/ |
| 15:44.12 | aquatix | but that was the 6GB one i think |
| 15:44.18 | aquatix | heh |
| 15:44.34 | aquatix | myeah, i would've had to use the UK importer or something |
| 15:44.37 | johnx | yeah, I'm starting to wish I had one with a microdrive |
| 15:44.40 | aquatix | or that japanese one |
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| 15:44.56 | johnx | I ordered when the prices were at an all time low I think |
| 15:45.03 | aquatix | nice |
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| 15:46.34 | Stskeeps | johnx: btw, is non-dependence on first-boot-wizard intentional? |
| 15:46.45 | johnx | in auto-startx? |
| 15:46.50 | johnx | yes |
| 15:46.52 | Stskeeps | k |
| 15:47.08 | johnx | I can see using auto-startx with a different desktop. |
| 15:47.43 | johnx | in that case people might want to remove hildon-desktop, and gtk. but first-boot-wizard->zenity->gtk |
| 15:47.59 | Stskeeps | yep |
| 15:48.23 | johnx | didn't I have it as a recommend? |
| 15:48.59 | wazd | Stskeeps: is something like this appropriate?) http://s50.radikal.ru/i129/0901/f7/a993f813f2c8.jpg |
| 15:49.24 | johnx | aquatix, aaaah. time softens all memories! I just looked up my order info in my mail archvie. $575 for a C1000 O_o |
| 15:49.30 | johnx | WTF was I thinking? |
| 15:49.33 | X-Fade | wazd: Did I miss your answer about your feed or did you miss my question? :) |
| 15:49.39 | aquatix | o/` Badger, Badger, Badger, Badger, Badger, Badger! o/` |
| 15:49.41 | aquatix | johnx: :) |
| 15:49.47 | aquatix | same here |
| 15:49.50 | aquatix | almost bought it |
| 15:49.50 | qwerty12 | Jaffa, I think someone needs to tell the author of Boxar about Build-Depends :). He's already tried to get it into Extras |
| 15:49.54 | aquatix | then sanity kicked in |
| 15:50.01 | wazd | X-Fade: I guss I've missed the question, sorry) |
| 15:50.29 | Stskeeps | wazd: hehe, looks cool :> and replacing the mer logos with other icons? |
| 15:50.31 | mgedmin | hands aquatix two mushrooms |
| 15:50.32 | X-Fade | wazd: Is the content length limit of your feed intentional or is it just the default setting? :) |
| 15:50.46 | wazd | Stskeeps: yep |
| 15:51.15 | Stskeeps | johnx: we so need something to set the background in first-boot-wizard though |
| 15:51.27 | Stskeeps | even if a dialog box on top of a console is kinda cool |
| 15:51.46 | wazd | X-Fade: well, I'm adding "more" tag to enlight main page, haven't used any other limitations) |
| 15:52.11 | johnx | Stskeeps, you could tell the x server to give you a black background on startup, but there are also plenty of lightweight root-setting programs. let me get some dinner and I'll start looking at stuff again :) |
| 15:52.18 | Stskeeps | johnx: alright |
| 15:52.45 | X-Fade | wazd: Then you might want to look in the configuration of your blog software. As you only seem to publish an excerpt. |
| 15:52.53 | johnx | is first-boot-wizard working OK BTW? I know it's not exactly elegant or bulletproof, but does it at least run for you from current packages? |
| 15:53.13 | Stskeeps | johnx: well i can't really type anything yet |
| 15:53.13 | X-Fade | wazd: Unless you want people to click through to your site.. |
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| 15:53.23 | Stskeeps | johnx: and you need to change theme to 'default' :P |
| 15:53.34 | johnx | will do |
| 15:53.39 | wazd | X-Fade: I'm using simple wordpress.com account |
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| 15:53.48 | Stskeeps | johnx: besides that, the repeat-on-error is working ;) |
| 15:54.00 | X-Fade | wazd: I'm sure that is in your account settings.. |
| 15:54.12 | wazd | X-Fade: I have to add "more" tag or there will be too much heavy images on the ain page |
| 15:54.44 | johnx | not sure what happens if you put "bobby ; rm -rf /" as a username though |
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| 15:54.55 | X-Fade | wazd: Well the [...] isn't added by us. It is wordpress which does that. |
| 15:55.01 | Stskeeps | johnx: "; DROP TABLE? |
| 15:55.07 | johnx | exactly :) |
| 15:55.27 | Stskeeps | johnx: gainroot for hackers |
| 15:55.27 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 15:55.33 | Stskeeps | it was like that on fonera routers.. |
| 15:55.34 | tlax | drop table to get ikea-table |
| 15:55.38 | wazd | X-Fade: I'll check the settings, thanks) |
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| 15:56.03 | X-Fade | wazd: Wordpress has partial or full feed support. |
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| 15:58.16 | Stskeeps | johnx: i suspect HIM is crashing |
| 15:58.17 | Stskeeps | checking why |
| 15:58.34 | r2d2rogers | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.8999.png |
| 15:58.35 | Stskeeps | johnx: any way to make the title not be "Add a new entry"? |
| 15:59.02 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: hehe, sapwoodless |
| 15:59.09 | r2d2rogers | yessir |
| 15:59.21 | r2d2rogers | but it works otherwise |
| 15:59.21 | wazd | For each article in a feed, show Full Text |
| 15:59.25 | wazd | I have that one |
| 15:59.30 | r2d2rogers | even h-i-m |
| 16:00.25 | wazd | Actually my blog engine lives it's own private life and I can't affect him :) |
| 16:00.36 | X-Fade | wazd: Lol ;) |
| 16:00.36 | r2d2rogers | is there a wayt o get the categgory names to show right? http://handhelds.org/scap/port.9073.png |
| 16:00.50 | wazd | It deletes controls when it wants so what can I do)\ |
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| 16:02.38 | johnx | Stskeeps, yes :) |
| 16:03.36 | Stskeeps | right, definately HIM crashes |
| 16:03.39 | Stskeeps | it cores |
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| 16:08.48 | Stskeeps | johnx: did we have some strange Xomap related hildon-input-method things? |
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| 16:09.17 | johnx | I still have Xorg |
| 16:09.23 | johnx | boots mer, tests h-i-m |
| 16:10.13 | TheFatal | is there a wlan analyzer for n810 ? |
| 16:10.42 | johnx | just saw the bootsplash for the first time on my n800 |
| 16:10.45 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 16:10.47 | johnx | looks gorgeous! |
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| 16:11.05 | Stskeeps | then you probably want to hold down the rescue menu button and select console |
| 16:11.07 | Stskeeps | since you run Xorg |
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| 16:11.28 | johnx | just noticed that |
| 16:11.51 | l7 | what's the best way to get wesnoth installed on diablo? |
| 16:12.18 | l7 | it looks like there used to be a package for wesnoth 1.2, but it's not in the repo anymore |
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| 16:13.49 | TheFatal | i have a problem |
| 16:13.55 | TheFatal | maemo-mapper does not start |
| 16:14.08 | TheFatal | in terminal says Segmentation failure |
| 16:14.08 | TheFatal | :S |
| 16:15.46 | Stskeeps | johnx: if i didn't know better.. it dies in pulseaudio |
| 16:16.11 | Stskeeps | pulsecore/mutex-posix.c |
| 16:16.32 | johnx | h-i-m ... dies in pulseaudio? |
| 16:17.21 | Stskeeps | makes sense doesn't it? audio when getting up keyboard |
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| 16:18.43 | johnx | really? there's a sound? |
| 16:18.45 | johnx | I must have it off |
| 16:19.00 | Stskeeps | not active |
| 16:19.00 | r2d2rogers | is there a wayt o get the categgory names to show right? http://handhelds.org/scap/port.9802.png |
| 16:19.58 | r2d2rogers | I haven't had much sound since OS2008HE <G> |
| 16:21.07 | qwerty12 | Don't think locales work atm |
| 16:22.36 | johnx | Stskeeps, h-i-m works here. need to see if I have the latest version of everything though |
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| 16:24.07 | TheFatal | any1 can help me :S |
| 16:24.23 | stemosco | ping |
| 16:24.26 | Stskeeps | upgrade of libpulse.. |
| 16:24.28 | Stskeeps | interesting |
| 16:24.45 | johnx | stemosco, poooong |
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| 16:26.22 | mgedmin | TheFatal: which OS, which version of maemo-mapper? |
| 16:26.32 | mgedmin | which device? |
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| 16:27.05 | TheFatal | maemo-mapper last, N810 OS2008 |
| 16:27.12 | TheFatal | 2.5.3 of maemo mapper |
| 16:27.37 | johnx | TheFatal, you have the latest version of OS2008, right? |
| 16:27.43 | Stskeeps | wonders why pulseaudio needs avahi |
| 16:27.47 | TheFatal | yes |
| 16:28.08 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, think it advertises itself to the network as a sound client... |
| 16:28.18 | TheFatal | can be the conf of the maemo-mapper is lost or change folder ? |
| 16:28.33 | TheFatal | when i try to start the terminal say me Segmentatino fault |
| 16:29.01 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: could be handy for fancy demos :P |
| 16:29.28 | qwerty12 | Hehe, I'm just wondering about the pranking possibilities :P :) |
| 16:30.28 | johnx | qwerty12, drop a n800 with wifi in a corner of the room under some clothes and have it scream for help and respond to questions? |
| 16:31.02 | aquatix | johnx: :) |
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| 16:31.11 | qwerty12 | I can't let go of my N800 :P |
| 16:31.41 | lardman | what you want to do is put a speaker inside someone's bed, and play them whale music every night :) |
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| 16:32.22 | lcuk | i wouldnt waste it with whale music |
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| 16:32.35 | qwerty12 | Hehe, IRC'ing every night from N800 is showing its toll on me when I dream about XChat 0_o :P |
| 16:32.36 | lcuk | "you will go to the bank in the morning and transfer all your money to..." |
| 16:32.43 | johnx | gentle whale music for 4 hours and then the sound of a jackhammer |
| 16:32.52 | qwerty12 | lcuk, says the person who told the bank about a problem that they had :P |
| 16:33.43 | lcuk | that wasnt my problem, i never did follow up on that |
| 16:33.54 | lcuk | now ive laid low for a while i should go and draw on all those funds |
| 16:34.34 | lcuk | can someone find a nice simple best practice way for me to continue developing this library but more in the open |
| 16:34.52 | mgedmin | put your VCS somewhere out there |
| 16:35.01 | mgedmin | google code, launchpad, github, somewhere |
| 16:35.08 | mgedmin | add a mailing list |
| 16:35.09 | lcuk | i need big banners and guard dogs to keep ppl from stomping on the code im thinking about whilst dreaming |
| 16:35.13 | mgedmin | find some people interested in it |
| 16:35.19 | mgedmin | the last bit is the most important one |
| 16:35.22 | lcuk | theres plenty i think :) |
| 16:35.32 | lcuk | who wants libliqbase? |
| 16:36.09 | lcuk | cries as the crickets chirping |
| 16:36.16 | lcuk | :) makes my life simpler |
| 16:36.21 | mgedmin | nobody ever puts anonymously world-writable repositories, so stomping is usually not an issue |
| 16:36.29 | mgedmin | unless you consider patches sent via email to be stomping |
| 16:36.56 | mgedmin | but usually it's more of a problem to get someone to get interested enough to send a patch |
| 16:37.58 | lcuk | yeah mg i know |
| 16:38.22 | lcuk | its not a problem of patches though, its being afraid of getting stuck in one direction based on feedback |
| 16:38.56 | johnx | lcuk, look. publishing code on a VCS != doing everything people tell you to |
| 16:38.56 | mgedmin | you could always put your hands over your ears and go o/` la la la o/` |
| 16:39.04 | johnx | mgedmin++ |
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| 16:39.26 | mgedmin | until you've finished coding what you wanted |
| 16:39.35 | lcuk | ok, ill use my current liqbase svn and create all this in a branch |
| 16:40.11 | mgedmin | tends to ignore wishlist requests for the software he maintains, and lets them fester in the bug tracker, occasionally feeling guilty about that |
| 16:40.14 | johnx | lcuk, here's some boilerplate: "That's an interesting idea, but I'm taking this in a different direction. If you can send me a patch that keeps the default behavior intact and adds your new idea as a runtime option, I'd be very interested." |
| 16:40.34 | lcuk | im just frustrated i didnt get my core widget in place before now, i wanted a new year video :'( |
| 16:41.03 | mgedmin | easy |
| 16:41.06 | mgedmin | just build a time machine |
| 16:41.14 | mgedmin | or wait 11 months ;) |
| 16:41.20 | lcuk | hehehehehe |
| 16:41.23 | b1ackdeath | would it be possible to have both Deblet and Ubuntu Jaunty on the same sd card if it was 8gigs? |
| 16:41.24 | lcuk | can i have a pony as well? |
| 16:41.31 | mgedmin | once specified his timezone in roundup as +0300 |
| 16:41.37 | lcuk | lol |
| 16:41.46 | mgedmin | later noticed that roundup interpreted that as "2 weeks after UTC" |
| 16:41.48 | lcuk | anyway back soon, ill get it together tonight i hope |
| 16:41.54 | johnx | b1ackdeath, sure, just have to partition it |
| 16:42.20 | mgedmin | what kind of software thinks "three hundred hours" is a reasonable timezone offset? |
| 16:42.28 | johnx | mgedmin, that's awesome |
| 16:42.45 | qwerty12 | mgedmin, someone in Japan who has built a time machine :) |
| 16:43.02 | johnx | *cough* |
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| 16:43.21 | qwerty12 | :O. This is not the Johnx from 2009? |
| 16:43.24 | johnx | qwerty12, icks-nay on the ime-tay achine-may |
| 16:43.30 | b1ackdeath | yeah i figured im justing asking , to see if any one had done it yet |
| 16:43.39 | qwerty12 | hehe |
| 16:43.53 | johnx | qwerty12, er, uhm, wait...of course this is the johnx from 2009!! who else would it be? |
| 16:44.38 | qwerty12 | johnx, I don't want to say anything incase I blow the secret :P |
| 16:44.57 | qwerty12 | But then again, I don't think I was thinking that before... |
| 16:45.16 | johnx | qwerty12, ever watched "Primer"? |
| 16:45.23 | johnx | good movie :) |
| 16:45.51 | qwerty12 | johnx, nope. I think you are from the future because I was just about to ask "is it good?" :P |
| 16:46.22 | johnx | UTC+9 :) |
| 16:46.34 | qwerty12 | hehe :) |
| 16:46.38 | johnx | s/9/0900/ |
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| 16:53.01 | b1ackdeath | has any one tryed x11 forwarding to the n810 with out peguien baits air-x? |
| 16:57.29 | Stskeeps | johnx: still at a loss why this error happens |
| 16:57.33 | Stskeeps | it's definately PA related |
| 16:57.36 | johnx | still plenty of people offering to sell me an n810 wimax. guess they didn't get the memo |
| 16:58.26 | johnx | running apt-get upgrade now. I'll see if the latest versions play nice with xorg |
| 16:59.47 | Stskeeps | in good news, gconf is playing nice again |
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| 17:00.11 | johnx | after you beat it until it stores values in $HOME ? |
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| 17:00.22 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 17:00.23 | johnx | I really hope Nokia eventually picks up some of these changes |
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| 17:00.40 | Stskeeps | we'll write a book |
| 17:00.40 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:02.07 | johnx | how about a tv movie? |
| 17:02.12 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 17:02.18 | johnx | there can be car chases and explosions and a murder to solve! |
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| 17:05.42 | AFB|Away | anyone know why my n810 wouldn't have the newest Version of OS but no update is showing? |
| 17:06.41 | johnx | Andrewfblack, is it diablo or something older? |
| 17:06.50 | Stskeeps | johnx: wtf |
| 17:06.51 | Stskeeps | it works with xorg |
| 17:07.13 | johnx | Stskeeps, ah, another special bug. we have all the luck |
| 17:07.32 | Andrewfblack | johnx Diablo |
| 17:07.48 | johnx | Andrewfblack, did you remove osso-software-version-rx44? |
| 17:08.14 | Stskeeps | johnx: then again Xomap is a bit of a scary thing |
| 17:08.17 | Andrewfblack | don't think so |
| 17:09.13 | johnx | Andrewfblack, can you check if it's installed from x terminal? apt-cache policy osso-software-version-rx44 |
| 17:09.32 | wazd | WOOOHOOO!!! |
| 17:09.41 | wazd | I've found my 8Gb SDHC!!!1 |
| 17:09.43 | Stskeeps | woo |
| 17:09.57 | Stskeeps | johnx: seems to work flawlessly under xorg |
| 17:10.20 | johnx | woo! now that is what I like to hear |
| 17:10.22 | Andrewfblack | says its not installed |
| 17:10.37 | johnx | Andrewfblack, is it available? |
| 17:10.38 | Andrewfblack | or Installed: (none) |
| 17:11.05 | Andrewfblack | I don't see where it says anything avout available |
| 17:11.41 | johnx | Does it say "candidate" somewhere? |
| 17:11.48 | Andrewfblack | yeah |
| 17:11.55 | johnx | that's the available version |
| 17:12.01 | johnx | do you have root access? |
| 17:12.07 | Andrewfblack | wonder why its not showing in my app manager |
| 17:12.13 | johnx | it's not a user package |
| 17:12.25 | johnx | it's a system thing, but it can be installed if something conflicts with it |
| 17:12.35 | johnx | maybe rotation support or something else like that |
| 17:12.46 | johnx | s/installed/uninstalled |
| 17:13.21 | Andrewfblack | I don't have rotation on here anymore but that might be it I used to |
| 17:13.52 | johnx | well, just get root access and type: apt-get install osso-software-version-rx44 and see what it wants to do |
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| 17:14.24 | Stskeeps | johnx: i guess this means back on the xorg bandwagon again |
| 17:14.40 | johnx | Stskeeps, I really wonder what the problem is... |
| 17:14.59 | Stskeeps | johnx: weird X replies or something prolly |
| 17:15.00 | Proteous | that's good, the xorg bandwagon is where all the tasty grub is |
| 17:15.58 | Andrewfblack | johnx says I have unmet depenencies |
| 17:16.53 | johnx | Andrewfblack, maybe just dependency issues :P |
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| 17:18.54 | wazd | Stskeeps: http://s45.radikal.ru/i107/0901/4e/bf8bdbb120d0.jpg |
| 17:19.22 | qwerty12 | wazd, nice logos :) |
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| 17:19.34 | Stskeeps | wazd: <3 |
| 17:20.07 | Stskeeps | wazd: now we just need those 5 pngs i guess :> |
| 17:20.32 | wazd | yep |
| 17:20.33 | Andrewfblack | johnx says Depends: libxm12 (=2.6.27.dfsg-1osso4) but 2.6.27.dfsg-1.maemo1 is to be installed |
| 17:21.00 | Stskeeps | johnx: you should definately see that jpg too |
| 17:21.05 | johnx | wazd, that looks gorgeous |
| 17:21.24 | wazd | johnx: thx :) |
| 17:21.29 | johnx | Andrewfblack, apt-cache policy libxml2 |
| 17:21.39 | wazd | Stskeeps: maybe write text right on pngs? |
| 17:22.11 | Stskeeps | wazd: yeah, is a possibility |
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| 17:22.23 | wazd | Stskeeps: It will look prettier I guess :) |
| 17:22.31 | Stskeeps | hehe, yeah |
| 17:22.39 | Stskeeps | remember to keep the raw material |
| 17:22.46 | Stskeeps | we might want to do 6 options at some point :P |
| 17:22.49 | Andrewfblack | johnx tells me I have 2.6.27.dfsg-1.maemo1 installed |
| 17:23.08 | wazd | Stskeeps: sure, all my work lives as .psd's on my PC :) |
| 17:23.10 | johnx | Andrewfblack, and where is it from? |
| 17:23.16 | johnx | what repository? |
| 17:23.35 | Andrewfblack | httP;//repository.maemo.org diablo/free |
| 17:23.50 | wazd | Stskeeps: post me the text for each tab so I can insert it |
| 17:24.13 | johnx | Andrewfblack, if you type: apt-get install libxm12=2.6.27.dfsg-1osso4 |
| 17:24.16 | johnx | what does it say? |
| 17:25.05 | Stskeeps | wazd: Start Mer normally - Activate console on framebuffer - Act as a USB ethernet gadget with open telnetd - Act as a Serial USB Gadget with shell - Restart tablet |
| 17:25.14 | johnx | Stskeeps, could you try hitting backspace on the h-i-m keyboard? and tell me if it crashes xorg for you too? |
| 17:25.16 | Stskeeps | tablet/device |
| 17:25.41 | Andrewfblack | says it will downgrade the package |
| 17:25.46 | wazd | Stskeeps: ok, and what size should .png's be to fit fullscreen? |
| 17:25.49 | Andrewfblack | and asks me if I want to do it |
| 17:25.52 | Stskeeps | wazd: 800x480 |
| 17:26.08 | Stskeeps | johnx: nop |
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| 17:26.26 | johnx | Andrewfblack, should be fine |
| 17:26.54 | wazd | Stskeeps: ok |
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| 17:27.03 | Stskeeps | wazd: thanks for all the good work so far btw :) |
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| 17:27.20 | johnx | Andrewfblack, I mean, should fine to downgrade if nothing is depending on the later version. however you might want to backup just to be on the safe side. :) |
| 17:28.36 | Andrewfblack | I keep an upto date backup all the time lol |
| 17:29.01 | wazd | Stskeeps: It's good to help if you can :) |
| 17:29.06 | Andrewfblack | beleave it or not a few of my themes have made me have to restore before |
| 17:29.24 | johnx | Andrewfblack, then downgrade it and after that install osso-software-version-rx44 |
| 17:29.30 | Stskeeps | johnx: xf86-video-omap-fb is on your bzr? |
| 17:30.15 | johnx | yup |
| 17:30.22 | johnx | xserver-xorg-video-omapfb |
| 17:31.02 | Sargun | how long does the warranty last on the n810? |
| 17:31.18 | johnx | Sargun, 1 year I think |
| 17:32.58 | Stskeeps | johnx: i'm adding in functionality of fb_update_mode into the x driver |
| 17:33.28 | johnx | sounds great, I'll fix those things in first-boot-wizard |
| 17:33.40 | disco_stu | is it possible to have rotation enabled with the last ssu ? |
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| 17:40.20 | Stskeeps | johnx: pushed to ~mer-committers |
| 17:40.26 | Andrewfblack | anyone want to help me with arrow for MerEcho theme? |
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| 17:42.03 | Stskeeps | johnx: weird question, is the cursor supposed to be blinking in applications? |
| 17:42.19 | TheFatal | i question. where are the conf files of maemo mappers ? |
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| 17:42.51 | johnx | Stskeeps, ... blinking? |
| 17:43.06 | Stskeeps | johnx: yeah, like, in a text field |
| 17:43.09 | johnx | TheFatal, it stores settings in gconf |
| 17:43.29 | TheFatal | and where is gconf ? |
| 17:43.34 | johnx | Stskeeps, good question. only thing I ever run is roxterm |
| 17:43.56 | johnx | TheFatal, to edit settings stored in gconf you should get gconf-editor |
| 17:44.27 | Stskeeps | johnx: successful hack with update mode btw |
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| 17:44.43 | johnx | TheFatal, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/gconf-editor/ |
| 17:44.53 | johnx | Stskeeps, awesome! did it turn out to be pretty simple? |
| 17:44.54 | wazd | http://i033.radikal.ru/0901/dd/e14d95901e1f.png | http://i001.radikal.ru/0901/b5/451f59144db9.png | http://s50.radikal.ru/i127/0901/73/50f61d30e225.png | http://s55.radikal.ru/i147/0901/dc/67299b8389ab.png | http://s50.radikal.ru/i128/0901/48/2f491466201d.png |
| 17:45.03 | Stskeeps | johnx: oneliner |
| 17:45.18 | wazd | Stskeeps: I thought if I can use jpg to reduce overall size |
| 17:45.42 | Stskeeps | wazd: are the jpgs smaller or? |
| 17:45.42 | wazd | Stskeeps: Since five pics costs more that 1 meg |
| 17:45.57 | wazd | Sskeeps: jpgs are way smaller |
| 17:46.07 | Stskeeps | then go for that instead |
| 17:46.24 | Stskeeps | space is a factor i guess :) |
| 17:46.30 | Stskeeps | still, looks bloody brilliant |
| 17:46.52 | wazd | Stskeeps: check the text, I'll just resave pngs |
| 17:47.07 | johnx | Stskeeps, imagine me or you trying to do art for this? *shakes his head* |
| 17:47.16 | Stskeeps | johnx: 80s style |
| 17:47.19 | Stskeeps | but yes |
| 17:47.24 | Stskeeps | that would be loathsome |
| 17:47.46 | johnx | a mix of foojacked icons and pictures drawn with a mouse in gimp |
| 17:48.47 | wazd | johnx: well, actually all of that stuff was made with netbook trackpad :D |
| 17:48.55 | Stskeeps | + cat /usr/share/first-boot-wizard/host-template |
| 17:48.55 | Stskeeps | cat: /usr/share/first-boot-wizard/host-template: No such file or directory |
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| 17:48.58 | Stskeeps | -> johnx |
| 17:49.00 | r2d2rogers | wazd: that looks great, I was thinking I was missing out by not getting to look at the great splash screen when I zig through the rescue menu |
| 17:49.03 | wazd | johnx: so mouse is not big deal) |
| 17:49.19 | johnx | Stskeeps, typo :) |
| 17:49.22 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: apt-get upgrade and you can see splash again |
| 17:49.22 | johnx | fixing... |
| 17:49.40 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: (xf86-video-omapfb update) |
| 17:49.43 | r2d2rogers | r2d2rogers: gotta unbreak my apt-get first |
| 17:49.47 | r2d2rogers | oooo |
| 17:50.05 | wazd | Stskeeps: is text alright?) |
| 17:50.51 | Stskeeps | wazd: i suspect the font is better on tablet screen |
| 17:50.56 | wazd | I can see Mer's ad: "Mer's rescue screen is so cute that you will atually want to break your device to see it!" |
| 17:51.17 | Stskeeps | lol |
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| 17:51.28 | johnx | is solca's boot selector thing capable of using a similar front end? |
| 17:51.51 | Stskeeps | johnx: there's some kexec problems atm so that is kinda put in the grave temporarily |
| 17:52.03 | TheFatal | johnx: can you make me a favor ? |
| 17:52.12 | Stskeeps | it requires the r&d serial mode on |
| 17:52.17 | johnx | TheFatal, sure |
| 17:52.41 | johnx | Stskeeps, in the grave only to rise again hungering for the brains of innocent developers? |
| 17:52.43 | TheFatal | can u send the poi.db file of maemo-mapper to this mail :: guido.rugo@gmail.com |
| 17:52.54 | johnx | TheFatal, I don't have one |
| 17:52.55 | Stskeeps | tries to install network-manager-gnome |
| 17:53.13 | TheFatal | do you hace N810 ? |
| 17:53.17 | TheFatal | have** |
| 17:53.38 | wazd | Stskeeps: well, looks pretty sexy on tablet :) |
| 17:53.55 | johnx | TheFatal, I have an N800, and it's not booted to OS2008 right now. if you delete it or a move it maemo-mapper will probably create a new one |
| 17:56.07 | TheFatal | :S |
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| 17:56.36 | wazd | Stskeeps: Jpgs are 4 times smaller than png without visual quality loss |
| 17:56.38 | TheFatal | no, it does not create new one |
| 17:57.22 | Stskeeps | grr @ update-notifier |
| 17:57.35 | Stskeeps | that thing -really- needs to go |
| 17:57.47 | Stskeeps | except that breaks NM |
| 17:57.48 | Stskeeps | that's lovely |
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| 18:01.01 | Stskeeps | johnx: plugdev, netdev as part of first-boot-wizard? |
| 18:01.23 | wazd | http://s61.radikal.ru/i171/0901/c5/6d882d7139b3.jpg | http://s42.radikal.ru/i096/0901/a4/c49a6447bae8.jpg | http://s40.radikal.ru/i087/0901/7a/8c8572d2b348.jpg | http://s50.radikal.ru/i129/0901/de/0abbc991b295.jpg | http://s53.radikal.ru/i140/0901/33/99c87c8407b8.jpg |
| 18:01.39 | johnx | Stskeeps, roger |
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| 18:02.48 | Shadow_M | hey anyone know if there is a dc++ client for maemo |
| 18:03.00 | Stskeeps | nm-applet so needs to be hildonized.. |
| 18:03.13 | Shadow_M | or does one need to be ported |
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| 18:04.00 | wazd | Shadow_M: never heard of that, but the port would be awesome, since I've searched for it too) |
| 18:05.14 | Shadow_M | hmm yeah it would be nice what would have to get ported the gui right if compiled from source |
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| 18:07.19 | wazd | I can actually test "rescue menu" in image viewer :P |
| 18:07.35 | Stskeeps | hehe :> |
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| 18:08.53 | r2d2rogers | tries to find out what dies in hildon on first load |
| 18:08.59 | Khertan_n810_12 | Hellone !oyreve |
| 18:08.59 | Stskeeps | sapwood? |
| 18:09.12 | r2d2rogers | hadn't triggered it yet |
| 18:09.13 | mgedmin | wazd: awesome pics, and I don't notice any jpg artefacts |
| 18:09.17 | r2d2rogers | but probable |
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| 18:09.47 | wazd | mgedmin: well, they are there, but too small to see them without magnify :) |
| 18:09.48 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: still using the start-hildon? |
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| 18:10.12 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: i'll answer later, adding pics to rescue menu atm :) |
| 18:10.12 | Khertan_n810_12 | someone have some snippet code about inserting image in a sqlite database from a gtk.Image to sqltie and vice and versa ?; |
| 18:10.17 | wazd | Hey Khertan :) |
| 18:10.28 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: and i should -really- get to make that lassagna tonight i have been wishing for all week ;) |
| 18:10.58 | Khertan_n810_12 | pixbuf will make me crazy with their poor docs |
| 18:11.40 | mgedmin | Khertan_n810_12: no, but maybe http://blogs.gnome.org/vivien/2007/01/14/storing-pictures-in-a-database-with-libgdalibgnomedb/ will help |
| 18:11.59 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: cool, lunch here too, catch ya in an hour or so... |
| 18:12.25 | johnx | Stskeeps, you done with all your exams? |
| 18:12.30 | Khertan_n810_12 | other question : do you have problem displaying the output of the n810 camera ... ? i get a freeze for 10 to 15s every minutes |
| 18:12.33 | Stskeeps | johnx: 1 down, 2 to go |
| 18:13.10 | Khertan_n810_12 | thx for the link |
| 18:13.17 | mgedmin | last time I played with the nokia 'camera' app, it used so much CPU that the device became unresponsive and eventually rebooted |
| 18:13.29 | lcuk | Khertan_n810, for the images and database thing wouldnt it be more usable to save it alongside the DB and have only the name in the db |
| 18:13.58 | lcuk | that way the system thumbnailer can access and handle it |
| 18:14.07 | lcuk | and you could at a later stage use that info :) |
| 18:14.14 | TheFatal | how can i delete a gconf file |
| 18:14.29 | johnx | let's see: first-boot-wizard: default theme, add titles, add user to netdev and plugdev. was there anything else? |
| 18:14.37 | Stskeeps | johnx: background |
| 18:14.41 | johnx | righ |
| 18:14.43 | johnx | t |
| 18:14.58 | Stskeeps | this goes for both hildon-desktop-env and first-boot-wizard :P |
| 18:15.04 | Stskeeps | the dark color is depressing |
| 18:15.06 | lcuk | Khertan_n810, also, camera wise try setting gstreamer to send down smaller images and lesser framerate :: liqbase is rock solid at 320*240*15 |
| 18:15.44 | lcuk | at full speed i think you run out of bandwidth to do everything |
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| 18:16.32 | lcuk | speaks to a blank wall :P |
| 18:17.28 | johnx | yeah, I thought the camera app seemed to be having bandwidth issues instead of CPU issues |
| 18:17.34 | qwerty12 | johnx, dunno if you got the armel zenity built in Mer already but it builds fine if I do : "export SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/python ; export PATH=/usr/bin:$PATH" (albeit slowly when it comes to the docs) in scratchbox |
| 18:17.48 | mgedmin | lcuk, if the wall answers, you have problems |
| 18:17.48 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: wtf redirects python? O_o |
| 18:18.07 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, ? |
| 18:18.09 | StOrM_NW | is there any application client already running on maemo that is similar of sofia sip client? |
| 18:18.12 | Stskeeps | what devkit overrides python? |
| 18:18.17 | lcuk | johnx, internally its usb and stuff and between the omapfb and the camera and gtk needing copies of buffers and sending over x11 and everything its gotta starve it |
| 18:18.17 | qwerty12 | ah |
| 18:18.17 | johnx | qwerty12, thanks. I'll try that in a sec |
| 18:18.56 | Stskeeps | johnx: you can (but i usually dont like it), dpkg-buildpackage -B and /import-indep-packages instead btw |
| 18:18.59 | johnx | lcuk, reminds me of my PCI TV tuner card saturating the PCI bus :) |
| 18:19.03 | Stskeeps | i do it when i dont want to wait for builder |
| 18:19.12 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, sbox uses python internally afaik, the weird shell thing it uses on top of bash uses python iirc |
| 18:19.16 | Stskeeps | or the builder sdk is stupid |
| 18:19.22 | johnx | Stskeeps, I'd like to get this building. it's a core package... |
| 18:19.23 | lcuk | yeah sounds reasonable - im just gonna test something.. |
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| 18:20.28 | Stskeeps | lovely |
| 18:20.30 | Stskeeps | NM requires dhclient |
| 18:20.51 | johnx | doesn't udhcp have issues anyways? What's the size difference? |
| 18:21.09 | wazd | http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/01/13/palms-mojo-sdk-for-webos-in-pictures/ |
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| 18:22.16 | Shadow_M | wazd so you never found a dc++ client for maemo would one for debian work if you booted debian on it |
| 18:22.26 | stv0 | hi, do we have a german irc channel too? |
| 18:23.22 | Stskeeps | johnx: in other good news NM works |
| 18:23.38 | johnx | Stskeeps, w00t! What was the magic? |
| 18:23.58 | Stskeeps | johnx: dhcp3-client, gweather, possibly missing icons in theme |
| 18:24.37 | Stskeeps | johnx: oh, when start-hildon starts, it should mkdir -p MyDocs/.images |
| 18:24.41 | Stskeeps | (for easy screenshots) |
| 18:24.51 | wazd | Shadow_M: nope( |
| 18:25.45 | Shadow_M | hmm how do we change that |
| 18:27.50 | johnx | Stskeeps, it should just make the whole group right? |
| 18:27.57 | johnx | .images, .sounds, etc, etc |
| 18:27.58 | Stskeeps | johnx: hmm? |
| 18:27.59 | Stskeeps | yeah |
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| 18:28.57 | lcuk | running liqbase at 640*480 + taking pictures at 640*480 obtains realistic screen refresh, as soon as i run through the stretchblit routine (usually drops 2-3fps) it changes the camera to take about 3 seconds per frame (i see it drawing - its actually multiple screen frames per camera image) |
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| 18:30.16 | Stskeeps | johnx: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-nm.pngh |
| 18:30.24 | Stskeeps | s/pngh/png/ |
| 18:30.40 | johnx | ahaha! that's a neat notification |
| 18:30.41 | lcuk | the difference between blits is that copyblit uses 32bit longs, the stretchblit uses 8 bit bytes and hogs the bus for longer |
| 18:31.03 | qwerty12 | libnotify :) |
| 18:31.32 | johnx | imagine walking in and out of wifi range all day :) |
| 18:31.42 | johnx | there'd be a nice pile when you finally looked at your tablet |
| 18:32.38 | RST38h | cackles evilly ((C)Angband) and suggests a semitransparent xterm with dmesg output instead |
| 18:32.50 | Stskeeps | johnx: nm-applet[3465]: GLIB WARNING ** default - Icon nm-device-wwan missing: Icon 'nm |
| 18:32.59 | Stskeeps | .. not present in theme |
| 18:33.53 | Stskeeps | or anywhere, for that sake |
| 18:36.03 | lcuk | 640*480*8fps is STABLE |
| 18:36.17 | lcuk | and does not slugup |
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| 18:38.09 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, are you ok if the camera updates at 8fps instead of the current 15? |
| 18:38.36 | lcuk | ie its a bit more jerky, but benefits include better signal to noise and also 640*480 is stable :) |
| 18:38.52 | Stskeeps | wazd: rescue screen looks awesome :) |
| 18:39.02 | Stskeeps | i have a bit of green in the bottom by accident, but, awesome |
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| 18:39.12 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, I have no problems, the camera sucks anyway - any attempt to make it more stable = win for me :) |
| 18:39.23 | lcuk | heh |
| 18:39.27 | stv0 | http://www.steffenvogel.de/2009/01/11/selfmade-nokia-n810-micro-usb-otg-kabel/ |
| 18:39.35 | stv0 | sorry just in german |
| 18:40.05 | stv0 | have a look to the picturtes ;) |
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| 18:41.37 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: I didn't have virtual memory on again... missing part of the line in fstab... |
| 18:41.48 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: but maemo-launcher is hanging up now, eating ram |
| 18:42.09 | Stskeeps | recent imaging or? |
| 18:42.46 | r2d2rogers | yup |
| 18:42.55 | r2d2rogers | missing "none" for mount point |
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| 18:43.06 | StOrM_NW | does tapioca supports sip? |
| 18:43.12 | stv0 | i've a avm fritzbox router with an usb port. how can i access to a usbdrive connected to this usb port? |
| 18:43.29 | stv0 | the router shares the hdd as a samba share |
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| 18:44.12 | stv0 | unfortunatly the router isn't part of a windows workgroup, so the router does'nt appear in maemos filebrowser |
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| 18:44.40 | Stskeeps | stv0: wizard mounter maybe |
| 18:45.01 | stv0 | do you have some additionals infos or an url? |
| 18:45.08 | stv0 | its totally new to me |
| 18:45.38 | Stskeeps | google wizard mounter maemo |
| 18:46.10 | Stskeeps | johnx: our watchdog crash screen should be a fish floating to the top.. |
| 18:46.10 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:46.29 | johnx | ahaha |
| 18:46.48 | johnx | ouch...pretty psycologically damaging O_o |
| 18:47.28 | Stskeeps | in style of the sad mac |
| 18:48.06 | r2d2rogers | how many maemo-lanucher processes should there be? |
| 18:48.22 | lcuk | depends on time of day and location in the world |
| 18:48.34 | r2d2rogers | <G> |
| 18:50.11 | Stskeeps | lcuk's scaringily right though |
| 18:50.11 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:50.55 | lcuk | oi, its not that rare |
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| 18:51.51 | r2d2rogers | so I'm up to wondering why one of them seems to be a run away |
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| 18:54.04 | johnx | r2d2rogers, kill all of them and restart X and start-hildon |
| 18:56.57 | r2d2rogers | X auto restarts |
| 18:57.00 | r2d2rogers | but wilco |
| 18:57.30 | r2d2rogers | killall maemo-launcher, done |
| 18:57.50 | r2d2rogers | have set my user to login after timeout so I can get logged back in |
| 18:58.10 | r2d2rogers | needs to find more locales |
| 18:58.29 | r2d2rogers | perl keeps complaining |
| 18:59.10 | r2d2rogers | johnx: it loops back to the greeter |
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| 19:00.43 | johnx | r2d2rogers, can you pastebin ~/.xsession-errors ? |
| 19:00.49 | r2d2rogers | now I have the hildon screen up, same as earlier screen shot, but with a white box in the desktopo |
| 19:02.04 | r2d2rogers | johnx: http://pastebin.com/m237e8c19 |
| 19:02.43 | lcuk | http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/online/news/sony_dsc_g3_camera_has_wi_fi_and_linux |
| 19:02.51 | lcuk | o_O |
| 19:04.29 | r2d2rogers | johnx: it restarts X after droppiong a segmentation fault into the .xsession-errors |
| 19:04.32 | johnx | lcuk, lots of things run linux that you don't know about. now if it would run mer I'd sign up :) |
| 19:05.05 | johnx | r2d2rogers, so it gets to the desktop, prints those lines. does it crash on its own after a while? |
| 19:05.14 | r2d2rogers | yes |
| 19:05.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | a camera? wazzit do with an OS |
| 19:05.58 | r2d2rogers | cpu maxed, top indicates it's maemo-launcher tying up the processor |
| 19:06.01 | r2d2rogers | with or without sapwood running |
| 19:06.44 | johnx | CutMeOwnThroat, I would assume the OS runs programs? like maybe a flickr uploader. might even handle some post processing |
| 19:07.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's obviously there for the wifi-part... funny thing to have in a camera, though |
| 19:07.27 | johnx | it has a browser :) |
| 19:08.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | things more and more become what is known as "eierlegende Wollmilchsau" in Germany |
| 19:08.40 | johnx | things become unpronounceable to foreigners? :) |
| 19:08.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha... not sure I could translate this, but there's a wikipedia article on it |
| 19:08.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eierlegende_Wollmilchsau |
| 19:09.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually the article claims I can use it in English as well :) |
| 19:10.05 | lcuk | CutMeOwnThroat, i thought the same, but if its a decent camera and a reasonable touch device running linux then its ticking lots of good boxes for me, shame it lacks a keyboard |
| 19:10.21 | johnx | depends on if it's hackable or not |
| 19:10.32 | johnx | don't underestimate that very important point |
| 19:11.15 | StOrM_NW | is there any sip client for maemo? |
| 19:11.16 | wazd | brand new Samsung vacum cleaner with linux onboard :) |
| 19:11.34 | wazd | StOrM_NW: Gizmo actually |
| 19:11.56 | wazd | StOrM_NW: and even built in stuff |
| 19:12.00 | johnx | StOrM_NW, included with the OS |
| 19:12.12 | StOrM_NW | OS 2008.? |
| 19:12.21 | johnx | yes. internet call |
| 19:12.21 | Stskeeps | now where was it i could get a 770 kernel.. |
| 19:12.22 | wazd | StOrM_NW: OS whatever it is |
| 19:12.43 | StOrM_NW | k |
| 19:13.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | let me guess you can use the vacuum cleaner for phoning, keeping your addresses, emailing and making coffee? |
| 19:13.58 | wazd | CutMeOwnThroat: sure! Also you can install Ubuntu on it! |
| 19:14.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | eek |
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| 19:15.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | does it make eggs? |
| 19:15.12 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: any clue where to grab a os2008he kernel from? |
| 19:15.38 | r2d2rogers | I usually head to fanoush, |
| 19:16.00 | Stskeeps | source? :P |
| 19:16.27 | r2d2rogers | the URL or source code? |
| 19:16.36 | Stskeeps | source |
| 19:16.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | I actually wanted to ask you about this little chappie here: http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-N810-Portable-Internet-Tablet/dp/tech-data/B000Y4AH3C |
| 19:17.02 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: digging |
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| 19:17.56 | r2d2rogers | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/gregale/free/source/k/kernel-source-2.6.16/ |
| 19:18.14 | r2d2rogers | plus fanoush's patches http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/n770-49-mmc-2.6.18-osso55-sdhc.diff |
| 19:18.24 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: ^^^ |
| 19:18.27 | Stskeeps | k |
| 19:19.44 | RST38h | wonders. |
| 19:19.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | I was never in for pdas, heck, I don't even have a mobile, but this thing looks like a sort of micro-laptop that runs linux... |
| 19:19.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh? |
| 19:20.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | wtf |
| 19:20.38 | Stskeeps | CutMeOwnThroat: sure is |
| 19:20.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | did I (or my xchat) really change the topic, or did xchat just make that up.... (if yes, sorry) |
| 19:20.56 | Stskeeps | make it up i think |
| 19:21.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok... good :) |
| 19:21.51 | Stskeeps | CutMeOwnThroat: it's about one of the most open mobile devices on the market that works |
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| 19:22.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | Stskeeps, so do you have full control over it from start on, or do you have to break into your own device? |
| 19:22.45 | Stskeeps | enable maemo extras in application, install rootsh, and you can sudo gainroot |
| 19:23.06 | Stskeeps | application manager |
| 19:23.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | that translates into... you don't have by default, but it's easy? |
| 19:23.24 | Stskeeps | as easy as eating pie. |
| 19:23.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | considers it can be pretty hard eating a huge, overly sweet pie |
| 19:23.49 | Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access |
| 19:23.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 19:24.25 | Stskeeps | there's even a X terminal :) |
| 19:25.04 | RST38h | The DSC-G3 comes with a Zeiss lens with 4x zoom, a large 3.5" touch display, and 4GB of internal memory. Most interesting is the camera's software that includes, among other things, face and scene recognition, based on Busybox and Kernel 2.6.11 for the Access Linux Platform. |
| 19:25.16 | RST38h | Sts: How about running MeR on a Cybershot? =) |
| 19:25.24 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: i was just thinking of it |
| 19:25.26 | wazd | CyberMer :) |
| 19:25.28 | Stskeeps | er |
| 19:25.30 | Stskeeps | RST38h: |
| 19:25.31 | r2d2rogers | heh |
| 19:25.41 | Stskeeps | RST38h: i highly doubt it's a open device though |
| 19:25.42 | RST38h | Mer Shot |
| 19:26.13 | RST38h | Sts: well, for each keyhole... |
| 19:26.46 | johnx | RST38h, you're late. lcuk linked it before :P |
| 19:27.03 | RST38h | johnx: ehhh...why am I always late? |
| 19:27.31 | r2d2rogers | upgrades to the new rescue menu |
| 19:27.36 | RST38h | no worry, the next teacher-crucified-for-installing-linux story is all mine. |
| 19:27.52 | johnx | RST38h, and yes, if I saw a strong hacking community around that camera I'd be saving up the money already |
| 19:28.16 | RST38h | johnx: Sony's ebook has been hacked already btw |
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| 19:28.44 | ssvb | lcuk: do you want a fast images scaler (though with crappy quality)? |
| 19:28.51 | RST38h | johnx: as for the camera, it seems to be an average p&s, so not sure if it is worth the money |
| 19:29.34 | wazd | RST38h: Well, for 500$ I can buy beginner DSLR, without linux though :) |
| 19:29.46 | johnx | RST38h, but the hack-value is very high. :) |
| 19:30.19 | RST38h | johnx: yes, but it is of not much use if it can't make good photos |
| 19:30.31 | RST38h | wazd: I would rather go for a G10 or something |
| 19:30.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | Stskeeps, sounds like fun... could probably use sshfs over the wireless as well :) |
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| 19:30.56 | johnx | RST38h, how much do you use the emulators you write? how many hours a day? |
| 19:31.04 | wazd | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:31.05 | RST38h | wazd: still pocketable, less danger to catch the photographer disease, etc |
| 19:31.07 | ssvb | lcuk: it's here: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/mozilla/tags/stable_171108/microb-engine/microb-engine/1.0.4-60.20/debian/patches/820_browser-fast-image-scaling-v2.diff?revision=3729&root=browser&view=markup |
| 19:31.28 | RST38h | wazd: it is possible all right, but nobody will care anyway |
| 19:31.31 | Stskeeps | CutMeOwnThroat: tablet can run mer, maemo, ubuntu, gentoo, debian, android, etc |
| 19:31.36 | Stskeeps | it's really a very versatile device |
| 19:31.37 | RST38h | hw stuff is patentable anywhere |
| 19:32.01 | RST38h | johnx: Used VGBA today to play some weird Japanese Nethack clone |
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| 19:32.09 | RST38h | johnx: Very cute btw |
| 19:32.27 | ssvb | lcuk: 'scale_image_16' is an ARM optimized nearest neighbour scaler implementation, probably the same as 'stretchblit' |
| 19:32.35 | wazd | RST38h: So if I'll have russian patent other world wouldn't care bout it? |
| 19:32.39 | RST38h | johnx: 15 minutes total |
| 19:33.08 | johnx | RST38h, :) right, and I like futzing around with strange hardware. in this case the photo functionality is pretty secondary |
| 19:33.12 | RST38h | wazd: Well, if I understand things correctly, in US I will be able to use your idea and you will have real trouble suing me |
| 19:33.16 | johnx | also, I'm a crappy photographer anyways |
| 19:33.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | Stskeeps, well, "disk" (flash) space is limited... but I just see you can extend to up to 32GB... that would indeed be enough for Debian... how amazing :) |
| 19:33.28 | RST38h | wazd: So, it is greatly suggested to get a US patent |
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| 19:33.48 | RST38h | wazd: Submitting an application costs around $750 afaik (may be wrong) |
| 19:34.12 | wazd | RST38h: Even if they will deny it?) |
| 19:34.33 | Stskeeps | CutMeOwnThroat: 256mb internal flash, 2gb internal mmc, 32gb external mmc |
| 19:34.34 | Stskeeps | so |
| 19:34.36 | RST38h | wazd: Yes. But it usually takes 2 years or so to process it and all that time your rights will be already protected |
| 19:34.47 | RST38h | wazd: tme counts since you submit the application |
| 19:35.03 | wazd | RST38h: hm, that's good news) |
| 19:35.43 | johnx | so when that sony linux-cam says the 3.5" display is 921k pixels, that would be 1024x900 or so, huh? |
| 19:35.47 | florian | re |
| 19:35.51 | wazd | RST38h: I think I should search FCC if it has similar submissions or so |
| 19:36.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... although I don't see a lot of 32gb micro sd cards around, yet |
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| 19:36.35 | RST38h | wazd: FCC is not a patent office |
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| 19:37.07 | RST38h | wazd: Patent office is USPTO |
| 19:37.07 | wazd | RST38h: oh, they're like russian RST |
| 19:37.21 | RST38h | wazd: FCC is American Inspekciya Elektrosvyazi |
| 19:37.35 | wazd | RST38h: :) |
| 19:37.52 | RST38h | www.uspto.gov/ for patents |
| 19:38.34 | wazd | johnx: digital camera displays are not always built like computer displays |
| 19:38.41 | RST38h | johnx: sounds way too much |
| 19:38.55 | RST38h | johnx: I think they count rgb components separately |
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| 19:39.07 | johnx | RST38h, that would be sad :/ |
| 19:39.24 | RST38h | johnx: well, the sensor resolutions are counted like that |
| 19:39.26 | wazd | johnx: they may have diagonal pixels orientation, not rows and coloumns |
| 19:39.41 | RST38h | maybe Sony decided to bend reality a little and do the same with the display resolution |
| 19:39.50 | johnx | RST38h, yup, 640x480 :) |
| 19:40.03 | Jaffa | Wow. ITT's gone... quiet. |
| 19:40.26 | RST38h | wazd: naah, pixels are still arranged rectangularly, it is the update that is done diagonally sometimes |
| 19:40.45 | RST38h | wazd: mostly in cheap portable dvd players |
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| 19:41.08 | johnx | they posted their linux source :) |
| 19:41.40 | wazd | RST38h: I have such a screen on my Nikon D70. "For sharper image" it's said :) |
| 19:42.09 | RST38h | lie, terrible lie |
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| 19:42.29 | RST38h | johnx: it will only be a few weeks now, before someone breaks it =) |
| 19:42.50 | johnx | RST38h, no one ever bothered with Sony's COM1 or COM2 |
| 19:43.09 | johnx | but that was probably since the N800/N810 were out and open |
| 19:43.37 | johnx | also called mylo |
| 19:44.06 | RST38h | johnx: I think somebody tried to couple with them but later said they weren't forthcoming |
| 19:44.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | Stskeeps, well, thanks, that has been interesting to know :) |
| 19:44.25 | RST38h | let's see what the interweb says |
| 19:44.45 | johnx | RST38h, from what I've seen there was one hack for the very first firmware version and then sony clamped it down and no one with knowledge stepped up |
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| 19:45.03 | johnx | BTW, think that sony camera has usb host support |
| 19:45.08 | RST38h | johnx: Sony is really stupi in this regard |
| 19:45.48 | RST38h | johnx: they should let copyright lawyers rule so totally, even in the areas which they shouldn't be present in |
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| 19:46.23 | lcuk | ssvb, can i just compile that asm up with the normal code, because every time i tried (when i was first working on blitter) it always failed |
| 19:46.51 | lcuk | my stretchblit is exceedingly poor, but theres pathways for normal and for blended and blend+alpha |
| 19:47.19 | RST38h | lcuk: are you using assembly? |
| 19:47.54 | lcuk | no, i could never get it to work |
| 19:48.08 | lcuk | i think though i have to concentrate more on the front end side of things |
| 19:48.15 | johnx | ~60M of RAM, / is a ramfs |
| 19:48.16 | infobot | johnx: what are you talking about? |
| 19:48.22 | lcuk | i have to get this last class into the lib |
| 19:48.34 | johnx | infobot, things beyond your comprehension my little friend |
| 19:48.55 | lcuk | infobot knows everything |
| 19:48.56 | infobot | Yes, I do, lcuk. |
| 19:49.22 | johnx | sadly I'm pretty sure that camera doesn't have any way to access the actualy camera part from linux :/ |
| 19:49.32 | Meiz_n810 | infobot, what colour is green? |
| 19:49.34 | infobot | Meiz_n810: what are you talking about? |
| 19:49.40 | johnx | that makes it much less cool in my book |
| 19:49.41 | Meiz_n810 | hehee |
| 19:49.58 | wazd | infobot, do you copy? |
| 19:49.58 | infobot | yes, I copy. |
| 19:50.08 | RST38h | johnx: http://www.myloforums.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=37 |
| 19:50.09 | wazd | infobot, good :) |
| 19:50.10 | infobot | Good :), good! Have a cookie... oh no! The cookie jar is dry! |
| 19:50.21 | RST38h | lcuk: Need help with assembly? |
| 19:50.56 | lcuk | RST38h, i was asking earlier, it would be beneficial if we could get libliqbase core functions even faster |
| 19:51.18 | lcuk | now im almost ready with the api any help to that end would be great (so i can get on with buildign the examples for the lib) |
| 19:51.32 | wazd | Damn, so much crappy designs are patented! |
| 19:51.46 | RST38h | lcuk: Well, I probably won't be able to write the whole thing for you but I can show you how to get started |
| 19:52.06 | lcuk | RST38h, ssvb, the only problem i see with asm is that currently the code works and is v fast on both arm and x86 |
| 19:52.30 | lcuk | yeah rst, well ssvb has just pasted a nice looking stretchblit that can probably be moulded |
| 19:52.45 | RST38h | lcuk: but you said your stretchblt and blend are slow? |
| 19:52.52 | lcuk | i was wondering though earlier how to do rotation blits |
| 19:52.57 | lcuk | yeah they are |
| 19:53.02 | lcuk | slower than i would like |
| 19:53.08 | lcuk | but certainly not slouches :) |
| 19:53.15 | RST38h | mmm ok |
| 19:54.06 | RST38h | Anyway, if you want to get started with assembler on Maemo let me know |
| 19:54.28 | johnx | RST38h, terrifying! there's progress since the last time I checked in on those guys |
| 19:54.37 | lcuk | i most certainly will, when i put this stretchblit func in ill prob start tearing my hair out :) ill make sure everything is on svn before i start so we can coordinate |
| 19:55.21 | lcuk | is pleased hes spent time making the lib, its going to be easier to work with from different angles :) |
| 19:56.23 | johnx | ok, spoke too soon: no progress on the mylo2 at all |
| 19:56.29 | ciroip | like I told you lcuk: for a good programmer quality is not an option :) |
| 19:56.47 | ssvb | lcuk: rotation blits need to be cache friendly, this way they can be fast |
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| 19:57.54 | lcuk | heh yeah ssvb, i know its entirely possible to get them fast(ish) - i just want to use the multitouch to better effect ;) |
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| 19:59.43 | wazd | So good to have 10 gigs instead of 2 again |
| 20:00.35 | wazd | Guys, is there any way to pair win explorer with ssh? |
| 20:00.43 | ssvb | lcuk: this scaler code should work fine as-is on both ARM and x86, it automatically uses assembly optimizations when you compile it for ARM |
| 20:00.55 | qwerty12_N800 | wazd, no freeware ways |
| 20:01.30 | lcuk | im just reading through it now, its optimized for 16bit pixels |
| 20:01.31 | ssvb | lcuk: there is one pitfall - stride is measured in bytes, so you may spend some time figuring how to call it right |
| 20:02.16 | ssvb | lcuk: yes, it is used for 16 bit pixels, what implementation do you need? |
| 20:02.31 | lcuk | 8bit - ive got the 3 planes (1full + 2half) |
| 20:02.38 | glass | wazd: dokan sshfs |
| 20:03.01 | lcuk | i considered looking around the demo scene for their mode 15h blit routines from vga days |
| 20:03.03 | glass | wazd: if you're wanting to mount ssh as a drive in windws |
| 20:03.12 | ssvb | lcuk: hmm, I see, it may need some modification to work with 8-bit pixels, but nothing too complex |
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| 20:03.45 | glass | qwerty12_N800: dokan is free |
| 20:03.50 | lcuk | yeah ill probably extract it all out, make sure the asm ops themselves build in and work for single pixel then unroll |
| 20:03.53 | glass | also for 64bit windows |
| 20:04.19 | qwerty12_N800 | glass, wicked, didn't know it existed :). thanks |
| 20:04.44 | qwerty12_N800 | Ah, it wasn't around when I googled for the same |
| 20:04.53 | glass | qwerty12_N800: i just found it like 2 weeks ago :p |
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| 20:05.04 | glass | qwerty12_N800: while googling for that commercial one actually.. |
| 20:05.13 | qwerty12_N800 | glass, I wasn't looking a few weeks ago :D |
| 20:05.14 | wazd | glass: whoa, thanks! |
| 20:05.44 | qwerty12_N800 | No, i'm bs'ing, my google fu sucks |
| 20:06.24 | lcuk | ssvb, probably easier for me to get the lib out first and then we can see what needs doing |
| 20:07.28 | lcuk | im gonna vanish and get some more done |
| 20:08.17 | johnx | gets sidetracked, looks at other hackable linux machines |
| 20:08.35 | johnx | zipit z2 w/ 32MB of RAM for $45 O_o |
| 20:08.45 | r2d2rogers | advanced backlight question... does anyone have the png files that have 5 in the following x spot? adv-backlight-icon-6.x.u.png |
| 20:10.04 | wazd | http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/1360/microstcew092if1.jpg - lol |
| 20:10.45 | ciroip | well, wazd, I was waiting to meet someone who noticied that |
| 20:11.03 | qwerty12_N800 | wazd, i knew win 7 was new - but not that new :) |
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| 20:11.41 | wazd | damn, now I hate ms( |
| 20:11.43 | Stskeeps | wazd: that your wallpaper or theirs? ;) |
| 20:11.49 | woglinde | hi |
| 20:11.59 | qwerty12_N800 | hi woglinde |
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| 20:12.18 | ciroip | stsk: it came with windows 7 |
| 20:12.23 | Stskeeps | hehe |
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| 20:12.28 | ciroip | there is a version with the swimming fish too |
| 20:12.38 | ciroip | actually pretty cute :) |
| 20:13.22 | Stskeeps | ciroip: well.. did you see the Mer artwork? |
| 20:13.35 | ciroip | not at all |
| 20:13.45 | Stskeeps | http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/repos-a-la-mer/ |
| 20:13.50 | ciroip | im disstracted in my own world for now |
| 20:13.51 | Stskeeps | which explains why wazd hates MS ;) |
| 20:14.10 | wazd | that's a real fuck up |
| 20:14.17 | ciroip | well, I saw that wallpaper :) |
| 20:14.22 | wazd | uber fuck up |
| 20:14.27 | wazd | goddamn( |
| 20:14.34 | ciroip | I laugh for 10 minuts when I saw the windows 7 installation |
| 20:14.48 | Stskeeps | it uses that wallpaper? :P |
| 20:14.51 | ciroip | because Im pretty sure is in the installation progress, not a simple wallpaper |
| 20:15.00 | ciroip | yep stks |
| 20:15.05 | aquatix | sue mickeysoft! |
| 20:15.12 | Corsac | well, think about the midori guy |
| 20:15.27 | ciroip | well, we should analyze the pixelby pixle comparison |
| 20:15.39 | aquatix | Corsac: hm? |
| 20:15.42 | wazd | how the heck should a knew bout that( |
| 20:15.46 | Corsac | aquatix: OMG, you here@! |
| 20:16.00 | aquatix | Corsac: are you following me around? |
| 20:16.00 | Corsac | aquatix: midori is the codename for windows7 iirc |
| 20:16.04 | Corsac | aquatix: sure |
| 20:16.05 | aquatix | oh lol |
| 20:16.28 | Stskeeps | wazd: hehe.. i think we can continue with the artwork though :) |
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| 20:16.49 | aquatix | Stskeeps: i don't see why not indeed |
| 20:16.59 | aquatix | too bad if it's seen as art ripoff by users though |
| 20:17.11 | Stskeeps | there's been plenty of artwork like that on christian postcards |
| 20:17.18 | Stskeeps | with the sun reaching through the dark skies |
| 20:17.19 | Stskeeps | ;) |
| 20:17.28 | aquatix | *g* |
| 20:17.42 | aquatix | how.. enlightening |
| 20:18.00 | ciroip | someone know Andrew Zhilin? |
| 20:18.13 | qwerty12_N800 | yes :p |
| 20:18.20 | X-Fade | ciroip: Sure ;) |
| 20:18.39 | wazd | no |
| 20:18.42 | woglinde | he x-fade |
| 20:18.42 | wazd | xD |
| 20:18.43 | X-Fade | watches ciroip getting in a fun situation now ;) |
| 20:18.53 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe |
| 20:18.58 | ciroip | well, I didnt know was here around... |
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| 20:19.15 | wazd | I think that Andrew Zhilin just copied stuff! |
| 20:19.23 | wazd | Bastard |
| 20:19.28 | ciroip | Im used to found myself in funny situations without know how |
| 20:20.34 | wazd | But whatever, it's the sea, it's nice, fuck off MS!) |
| 20:20.59 | wazd | And it looks way better btw :D |
| 20:21.00 | ciroip | a person with a z and an h in the surname cant be trust |
| 20:21.34 | wazd | ciroip: true |
| 20:21.42 | StOrM_NW | i m trying to add a new account using the control panel for sip service and for all sip provider that i put on the account setup ... i m always getting the message "Unable to connect to one or more accounts" ... is the Account manager in maemo only working with gtalk? or i can use it also with sip |
| 20:22.08 | ciroip | do exist an higher resolution on web? |
| 20:22.54 | wazd | I have 1920x1200 |
| 20:23.16 | wazd | And I have .psd :P |
| 20:24.02 | wazd | fuck, that's a real shame( Now everybody thinks that it's a copycat( |
| 20:24.02 | ciroip | ok wazd is not a wallpaper, is on the ctrl=alt+del login page |
| 20:24.03 | ciroip | and is scary similar |
| 20:24.03 | ciroip | yep\ |
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| 20:24.10 | ciroip | I thinked your was the copy |
| 20:24.57 | wazd | ciroip, well, actually theres only "light from above" concept that's simmilar |
| 20:25.16 | ciroip | lol, is freaking similar |
| 20:26.30 | wazd | mine's more detailed) |
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| 20:28.35 | wazd | fuck, what a shame |
| 20:28.56 | Stskeeps | add in a nokia tire on the bottom.. ;) |
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| 20:29.49 | RST38h | Sts: with the Crazy Fish (tm) |
| 20:29.54 | Stskeeps | or a gravestone with "fuck ms web designers" |
| 20:30.03 | Stskeeps | s/web// |
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| 20:34.09 | wazd | ok, let's try another one |
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| 20:34.29 | Stskeeps | hehe, i hope you don't have to reconstruct every single artwork though |
| 20:34.50 | wazd | Actualy I have) |
| 20:38.48 | Stskeeps | wazd: as revenge we can always go with andrewfblack's XP theme,, ;> (http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22641) |
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| 20:39.34 | ciroip | stsk............. |
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| 20:39.48 | Stskeeps | ciroip: just call me sts :) |
| 20:39.51 | wazd | It's actualy not so difficult to make another wallpaper, maybe even better than the current one |
| 20:40.20 | ciroip | whatever, sts, it seem pidgin dont have the tab complete things so sorry for f the name all the time |
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| 20:40.29 | Stskeeps | ciroip: hehe, it's fine :) friends call me sts |
| 20:40.38 | wazd | The weirdest thing is this fucking similarity and that I haven't seen Win 7 before |
| 20:40.48 | w00t | and his girlfriend calls him "sweetiepie" |
| 20:40.51 | w00t | runs |
| 20:41.11 | qwerty12_N800 | stsexy? :P |
| 20:41.20 | qwerty12_N800 | joins w00t in running |
| 20:41.27 | ciroip | yes, wazd, no ashame on me to think u were mocking up |
| 20:42.20 | Stskeeps | wazd: it isn't unreasonable that great minds think alike :) |
| 20:42.33 | aquatix | qwerty12_N800: :) |
| 20:42.47 | RST38h | SCO Group has announced plans to auction off its Unix and mobile products to ensure their survival while continuing its long-running fight over alleged violations of its IP in Linux. |
| 20:42.54 | aquatix | Stskeeps: you say they have great minds at mickeysoft? |
| 20:43.14 | RST38h | It's alive, IT'S ALIVE! |
| 20:43.17 | johnx | RST38h, does anyone still use SCO Unix after all this? |
| 20:44.05 | qwerty12_N800 | remembers when caldera was seen as decent.. |
| 20:44.34 | johnx | qwerty12_N800, yup. they really played this one wrong though :/ |
| 20:45.26 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx, definatly :/ |
| 20:45.34 | qwerty12_N800 | ~spell definatly |
| 20:46.42 | RST38h | johnx: Someone probably does... |
| 20:46.57 | RST38h | johnx: in a universe far far away |
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| 20:47.21 | johnx | RST38h, yeah, but that was long ago |
| 20:47.45 | RST38h | johnx: The important thing now is to sue everyone using Linux! |
| 20:47.51 | pupnik | i'd like to kick anyone running windows in the god damn teeth |
| 20:48.04 | johnx | RST38h, heh... even MS stopped making noises about doing that |
| 20:48.16 | RST38h | johnx: This will be the mighty holy grail from which SCO executives will drink the elixir of the eternal youth |
| 20:48.34 | johnx | pupnik, I would take it as a kindness if you didn't kick my wife in the teeth |
| 20:48.45 | qwerty12_N800 | pupnik, I have dual boot, does that mean i'll only get kicked in the balls instead :) |
| 20:48.56 | RST38h | johnx: And live forever, nauseating us all with their poisonous farts |
| 20:49.25 | johnx | RST38h, the elixir known as "transparent pump n' dump scheme gone horribly out of control" |
| 20:50.47 | RST38h | johnx: I can amost bet that at least some of their top managers will end up in an asylum eventually |
| 20:51.21 | johnx | RST38h, that would be a disgrace to dangerous lunatics everywhere |
| 20:52.18 | pupnik | dangerous lunatics would be a nice band name |
| 20:52.27 | RST38h | johnx: no, the "kill Linus Torvalds for taking my business model away" thing isn't that bad as far as manias go |
| 20:53.00 | pupnik | i feel like the soup nazi sometimes |
| 20:53.20 | pupnik | NO SOUP FOR YOU |
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| 20:53.26 | johnx | pupnik, soup nazi and the dangerous lunatics! |
| 20:54.15 | woglinde | soup nazis? |
| 20:54.53 | johnx | RST38h, it's not the plan so much as the stubbornness that pegs them as more than run of the mill psychos |
| 20:55.24 | RST38h | pupnik: BTW, I once wondered, is Fatherland the movie allowed for showing in .DE? (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109779/) |
| 20:55.25 | johnx | RST38h, the RIAA trials began and ended inside the time that it took SCO to keep up their random flailing |
| 20:55.27 | wazd | ok, beware microsoft |
| 20:55.34 | wazd | Act 2\ |
| 20:55.35 | RST38h | pupnik: it is kind of a border case |
| 20:56.07 | johnx | woglinde, from Seinfield, an American comedy show |
| 20:57.54 | Stskeeps | johnx: curious. maemo doesn't have /usr/share/icons/hildon |
| 20:58.45 | johnx | Stskeeps, yeah, I wonder if that folder was adopted in an attempt to debian-ify things |
| 21:03.12 | Stskeeps | johnx: ah. the magic solution to all life's problems |
| 21:03.23 | Stskeeps | gtk-update-icon-cache /usr/share/icons/hicolor |
| 21:03.56 | Stskeeps | takes nice screenshots |
| 21:03.57 | johnx | ah yes, the panacea |
| 21:04.04 | qwerty12_N800 | you'll wanna specify -f |
| 21:04.27 | johnx | wonders if he can assume all maemo themes will include a wallpaper |
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| 21:05.20 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 21:06.01 | Stskeeps | network-manager-gnome so needs a good hildonizing |
| 21:06.29 | johnx | it will be a huge asset on other platforms too :) |
| 21:08.26 | Stskeeps | so, we decided to go back to xorg |
| 21:08.59 | Stskeeps | ponders what else to change in imager |
| 21:09.23 | johnx | if we need to hack stuff up to play nice with xomap then I don't see a point in using it |
| 21:09.30 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 21:09.44 | johnx | if better omapfb support fails to materialize we can go back later, but for now it works |
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| 21:11.40 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: got the fstab change for the 770? |
| 21:11.50 | Stskeeps | no, but i'll change it now |
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| 21:11.58 | r2d2rogers | thanks |
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| 21:13.13 | Stskeeps | johnx: should i include network-manager-gnome in next image then? |
| 21:13.34 | johnx | Stskeeps, yes, I think so |
| 21:13.41 | johnx | any reason not to? |
| 21:13.47 | Stskeeps | "gweather" |
| 21:13.47 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:13.55 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: i think it's in the 770 one |
| 21:14.21 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: sure we want swap line in there or do we just assume they will have swap on p2? |
| 21:14.40 | johnx | Stskeeps, it crashes without that huh? |
| 21:14.44 | Stskeeps | johnx: probably. |
| 21:14.54 | johnx | blargh |
| 21:14.57 | r2d2rogers | I think we sould require it for the 770 |
| 21:15.00 | woglinde | I wonder when mer is switching to ubifs |
| 21:15.01 | woglinde | *g* |
| 21:15.23 | Stskeeps | woglinde: when we can have sound on n800 and the agreement on distributing initfs images comes through |
| 21:15.27 | Stskeeps | basically |
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| 21:15.29 | jpt9 | Hey. |
| 21:15.33 | Stskeeps | wello |
| 21:15.35 | jpt9 | I have a 770 running 2007HE... |
| 21:15.47 | jpt9 | I also have a Palm with a terminal app that can use Bluetooth serial... |
| 21:16.09 | jpt9 | Is there any way to rig up a virtual serial port on the Nokia so I can use the shell remotely? |
| 21:16.15 | jpt9 | (Yeah, I know. It's silly.) |
| 21:16.19 | Stskeeps | does Palm do PAN? |
| 21:16.22 | Stskeeps | also a possibility |
| 21:16.24 | jpt9 | Not sure. |
| 21:16.40 | r2d2rogers | jpt9: should be doable, you have root ? |
| 21:16.48 | jpt9 | via ssh, yes. |
| 21:17.09 | r2d2rogers | if nothing else, pair and hcitoolll to get a /dev/rfcom0 etc |
| 21:17.16 | r2d2rogers | should be a serial terminal link |
| 21:17.41 | r2d2rogers | bey9ond that.,.. which way you want to have the terminal log show up? |
| 21:17.49 | r2d2rogers | needs getty? |
| 21:17.54 | jpt9 | What do you mean? |
| 21:18.00 | Stskeeps | johnx: i think i'll have it in the nokia tablet targets for now |
| 21:18.14 | r2d2rogers | needs a nap and is probably rambling... |
| 21:18.20 | Andrewfblack | looks like spammers will never give up on itT I wonder if anyone ever really buys stuff from them they must or they would stop lol |
| 21:18.28 | Stskeeps | johnx: oh, one thing, nm-applet needs to be run in hildon-desktop-env :/ |
| 21:18.29 | r2d2rogers | jpt9: do you want to be typing from thepalm or the 770? |
| 21:18.44 | jpt9 | I want to be typing from the palm. |
| 21:18.47 | Stskeeps | johnx: before hildon-desktop |
| 21:18.53 | johnx | k |
| 21:18.59 | jpt9 | Basically, a remote terminal. |
| 21:19.11 | r2d2rogers | jpt9: got it... thinking |
| 21:19.24 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: Mer? ;> |
| 21:19.43 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: yup |
| 21:19.48 | r2d2rogers | jpt9: got an extra MMC laying around? <G> 1 gig or larger? |
| 21:19.59 | jpt9 | nope :-( |
| 21:20.06 | jpt9 | Just the original 64MB one full of ebooks. |
| 21:20.08 | jpt9 | why? |
| 21:20.30 | r2d2rogers | you stumbled into some active work on a community edition OS for the NITs called Mer |
| 21:20.37 | r2d2rogers | based on Ubuntu |
| 21:20.41 | Stskeeps | including the 770s :P |
| 21:20.45 | jpt9 | Ah. |
| 21:20.47 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: am I right so far? <G> |
| 21:20.58 | jpt9 | does a doubletake... UBUNTU?! |
| 21:20.59 | r2d2rogers | yeah I'm the 770 tester so far |
| 21:21.03 | jpt9 | on an n770?! |
| 21:21.04 | r2d2rogers | uh huh |
| 21:21.18 | Stskeeps | jpt9: it's not the full gnome desktop, but we run a hildon desktop on top |
| 21:21.18 | jpt9 | Well, I kind of have it set up how I like it... and I'm not sure how many of the repositories are still up... |
| 21:21.21 | jpt9 | Ah. |
| 21:21.22 | Stskeeps | LXDE has worked in the past though |
| 21:21.34 | jpt9 | If it's non-destructive, I have been meaning to get another card... |
| 21:21.42 | r2d2rogers | yup |
| 21:21.49 | jpt9 | If I did want a bigger memory card, what would I want? 1GB MMCmobile? Can I get a bigger one? |
| 21:21.57 | r2d2rogers | grab a 2 gig or hack up a microsd to mmc adapter |
| 21:22.30 | r2d2rogers | I plan on grabbing some of these at some point: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.5091 |
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| 21:22.49 | r2d2rogers | cut off the USB part and it's a dandy adapter with no hacking on your 770 |
| 21:22.49 | jpt9 | has really gotta get a Linux box... |
| 21:23.00 | jpt9 | I mean, I have a 770, an OLPC... |
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| 21:23.02 | r2d2rogers | jpt9: where you from? |
| 21:23.15 | jpt9 | well, I'm at RPI right now. |
| 21:23.52 | jpt9 | Would this work: http://www.amazon.com/Transcend-TS1GRMMC4-Volate-Multimedia-Mobile/dp/B000E40RBO/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1231881729&sr=8-1 |
| 21:24.08 | jpt9 | wait a sec... |
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| 21:24.11 | jpt9 | the pic is wrong... |
| 21:24.31 | r2d2rogers | I have a kensington I think |
| 21:24.43 | r2d2rogers | if it's the half size then that'd work |
| 21:25.04 | Shadow_M | i wish i could put more space on my n810 than an 8 gig minisd |
| 21:25.19 | jpt9 | I'm trying to find some on Amazon... I'm also getting an 8GB microSDHC card for my Sansa e250R... |
| 21:25.22 | Stskeeps | Shadow_M: eh, doesn't it fit 32gb? or is that just n800 SD? |
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| 21:25.39 | Stskeeps | does anyone happen to know if you can stop gnome-keyring from being so bloody obnoxious? |
| 21:25.56 | Stskeeps | and ask you to password your keyring and all that stuff |
| 21:26.27 | r2d2rogers | jpt9: the advantage of the adapter is more availability and capacity for the microsd cards |
| 21:26.32 | Shadow_M | Stskeeps, thats the 800 n810 has 2 gig internal and one mini sd |
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| 21:26.34 | jpt9 | Ah. |
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| 21:26.49 | r2d2rogers | jpt9: are you running the kernel from Fanoush? |
| 21:26.58 | r2d2rogers | prolly not of you just have the 64 meg card? |
| 21:27.30 | jpt9 | no. |
| 21:27.35 | jpt9 | It's full of ebooks. |
| 21:27.58 | jpt9 | FBReader is awesome. |
| 21:28.01 | r2d2rogers | if you puch that kernel on the 770 you could go up to the 8 or more gig cards you can get as microsd |
| 21:28.06 | r2d2rogers | jpt9: yessir |
| 21:33.04 | Stskeeps | johnx: curious fact |
| 21:33.16 | Stskeeps | fremantle SDK seems like it has the locales screwed up too |
| 21:33.29 | Stskeeps | just looking at yerga's widgets |
| 21:33.37 | Corsac | mhm, nowadays is it needed to use binary only modules on n810? |
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| 21:34.32 | Stskeeps | Corsac: there are various blobs (battery handling, wifi firmware), but no, there's a open source wifi driver |
| 21:35.43 | Corsac | so one can use whatever kernel he wants and still have a usable device? |
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| 21:37.43 | johnx | Corsac, we're very close to that :) |
| 21:37.56 | Corsac | wow, that's cool |
| 21:39.01 | RST38h | 45fps! |
| 21:39.06 | RST38h | With almost perfect sound! |
| 21:39.27 | johnx | RST38h, what is? |
| 21:39.33 | RST38h | I can actually do 62-71fps if I disable display ipdates |
| 21:39.38 | RST38h | GBA emulation |
| 21:39.46 | johnx | on the n8x0?! |
| 21:39.59 | RST38h | ARMonARM enabled, 360MHz clock set |
| 21:40.20 | RST38h | johnx: I kinda suspect that it does the same or better on n8x0 but have to measure |
| 21:41.00 | johnx | !! |
| 21:41.13 | johnx | I would also like to add "fuck yes" |
| 21:41.32 | Stskeeps | there goes your need for a pandora, or? :P |
| 21:42.05 | RST38h | you can measure yourself - turn fps display on, turn input cues off, turn all special effects off and go full screen |
| 21:42.13 | johnx | $330 for a real d-pad... |
| 21:42.17 | RST38h | multiply fps count you see by 3 |
| 21:42.27 | Stskeeps | johnx: make a usb one? |
| 21:42.27 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:42.31 | RST38h | Sts: I never needed Pandora |
| 21:42.33 | johnx | RST38h, yeah, should be 30+ at any rate |
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| 21:42.39 | Stskeeps | RST38h: was to johnx :) |
| 21:45.37 | Stskeeps | boots mer up again and hopes he can ssh into it on wireless |
| 21:47.29 | Stskeeps | root@carsten-tablet |
| 21:47.30 | Stskeeps | woo |
| 21:47.43 | woglinde | hehe |
| 21:48.12 | wazd | Stskeeps: how bout that: http://s41.radikal.ru/i091/0901/47/8ff3940bdd62.jpg |
| 21:48.26 | wazd | not finished ofcourse |
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| 21:48.42 | Stskeeps | wazd: hehe, at least it doesn't look like Windows 7 ;) |
| 21:49.00 | wazd | :( |
| 21:49.17 | Stskeeps | (i like it) |
| 21:49.32 | qwerty12_N800 | wazd, i'd take that as a compliment :p |
| 21:49.34 | Stskeeps | at least, since it's sea.. we have endless possibilities for wallpapers |
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| 21:50.14 | wazd | started to search for fucking wallpapers of that fucking OSes |
| 21:51.31 | Corsac | next to the regular ones |
| 21:52.10 | Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer0.6b/ <- new screenshots |
| 21:52.12 | RST38h | Sts,wazd: better fix that ugly titan theme |
| 21:52.22 | wazd | ah, no way, I will not try to prove anybody anything |
| 21:52.26 | RST38h | metal-gray rectangles suck |
| 21:53.12 | wazd | RST38h: what's wrong with Titan?) |
| 21:53.14 | Stskeeps | RST38h: hehe, for now it works |
| 21:53.25 | Stskeeps | compared to other themes |
| 21:53.37 | RST38h | wazd: ugly, remind me of Motif |
| 21:53.41 | RST38h | reminds |
| 21:54.16 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, that's badass. Here's to hoping that nm works better on my tablet then it does on my desktop ;) |
| 21:54.29 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: figure out how to get gnome-keyring out of my face.. |
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| 21:54.39 | Stskeeps | i dont want to have something asking me about a bloody keyring password on my tablet.. |
| 21:54.44 | wazd | RST38h: whoa, didn't know it's that bad actualy :) |
| 21:54.54 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: change it to the login password |
| 21:55.00 | r2d2rogers | the login keyring |
| 21:55.16 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: except we don't have a login password.. ;) |
| 21:55.22 | r2d2rogers | hmmmm |
| 21:55.23 | RST38h | wazd: check the screenshots =) |
| 21:55.34 | aquatix | well, then it's rather unpossible i think |
| 21:55.59 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, is hackzoring gnome-keyring a option? :) |
| 21:56.10 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: gconf is a way too |
| 21:56.22 | wazd | RST38h: I know what's Motif :) |
| 21:56.50 | wazd | RST38h: Well, that's really not the best example of using gray color) |
| 21:57.04 | qwerty12_N800 | gconf worked well in deblet with gksu being anal retentive, is there a option in gconf for -keyring? |
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| 22:00.02 | qwerty12_N800 | needs keeps reminding himself to gtfo maemo-users |
| 22:05.09 | Stskeeps | notes cutting internet connection when X dies is not cool. |
| 22:06.06 | Grackle | Is that what happens with networkmangler? |
| 22:06.31 | Stskeeps | i don't like NM but we dont have ICD, so |
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| 22:07.15 | johnx | you can set it to be system wide, then it does some daemon-y thing |
| 22:07.30 | johnx | and ICD would be awesome...if it wasn't closed source. yay Nokia! |
| 22:08.45 | qwerty12_N800 | wishes that they would. at least, open icd1. in some respects, it performed better than icd2. |
| 22:09.51 | woglinde | *g* I think ICD2 is souch a bad codebase they dont want to show it |
| 22:10.32 | johnx | lulz...I'll write my own based on zenity and wirelesstools |
| 22:10.57 | johnx | disturbingly I can picture how it would work O_o |
| 22:11.13 | qwerty12_N800 | yeah, better than nm :) |
| 22:13.22 | johnx | maybe a python statusbar applet to control it... |
| 22:13.39 | johnx | needs like 6 .png icons and a dropdown menu |
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| 22:16.29 | lcuk | gahhhh i could really do with kot |
| 22:16.58 | woglinde | ifup/down with guessnet and wpa_supplicant rockz |
| 22:18.42 | qwerty12_N800 | ~summon KotCzarny for lcuk |
| 22:18.43 | infobot | apt takes out 20 clean, identical-looking phones, some extra hands, and pretends to be a telemarketer for a large corporation, so he gets delivered a phonelist containing KotCzarny for lcuk's coordinates |
| 22:21.40 | lcuk | :) if only. hes the only person so far thats had his head deep enough into the code that we can discuss technicalities and get a decent response :) |
| 22:22.12 | qwerty12_N800 | isn't he still around on freenode? |
| 22:22.13 | lcuk | do nokia have helicopter gunships and extraction teams? |
| 22:22.23 | woglinde | lol |
| 22:22.45 | lcuk | qwerty, he went home to poland, there was a lady involved i think :) |
| 22:23.23 | qwerty12_N800 | :) |
| 22:23.26 | johnx | lcuk, left freenode for poland? |
| 22:23.30 | lcuk | lol |
| 22:23.37 | johnx | does poland have fewer netsplits? |
| 22:23.51 | qwerty12_N800 | poland has vodka :p |
| 22:24.14 | johnx | settles for good kirin beer and freenode/#maemo :) |
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| 22:28.04 | unixSnob | are there multiple passwords to sipphone accounts? |
| 22:28.07 | unixSnob | my web password isn't working on my ATA |
| 22:33.57 | roope | Good morning. |
| 22:34.04 | roope | ... or some other time of day. |
| 22:34.29 | jpt9 | Evening. |
| 22:35.35 | wazd | night) |
| 22:35.39 | Jaffa | wazd: sorry, I'm with RST38h - I think Titan looks a bit too Windows 3.1ish, and doesn't fit with the coolness of the mer logo/background/loading screen |
| 22:36.00 | Stskeeps | wazd: was my choice to take in titan :) |
| 22:36.08 | Stskeeps | as it was first and best theme that actually worked fully |
| 22:36.15 | Stskeeps | but yes, there might be a replacement |
| 22:36.29 | Jaffa | Plankton's open source, isn't it? Or does it not work in the fremantle hildon-desktop? |
| 22:36.39 | unixSnob | anyone have a gizmo account? |
| 22:36.43 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: plankton is plankton.. |
| 22:37.50 | Stskeeps | but yes, it's open source and all, but definately fitting worse into the artwork than titan ;) |
| 22:38.31 | Jaffa | Personally, I think http://www.flickr.com/photos/tigert/374514916/ looks better than Titan; but dunno how well it'll work with your compositing stuff. |
| 22:38.41 | Jaffa | Making any headway on the i18n issue, btw? |
| 22:38.58 | Stskeeps | sitting and looking on it |
| 22:39.23 | Jaffa | cool |
| 22:39.40 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: the problem is really - some locales work |
| 22:39.44 | Stskeeps | and majority doesn't |
| 22:40.14 | unixSnob | any way to show the password in the voip accounts? |
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| 22:41.35 | timeless | ping |
| 22:41.43 | timeless | is there a page that talks about F<x> key mapping in maemo? |
| 22:42.05 | Jaffa | timeless: i.e. full screen = F6, home = F5 etc? |
| 22:42.17 | timeless | yes |
| 22:42.21 | wazd | Jaffa: I was thinking to make Mer theme |
| 22:42.28 | Jaffa | wazd: cool |
| 22:42.38 | Jaffa | timeless: I'm sure it's in one of the official docs under maemo.org |
| 22:42.38 | wazd | Jaffa: Titan is temporary I suppose |
| 22:42.41 | timeless | http://maemo.org/community/oldwiki/howto-setupkeyboard/ |
| 22:42.48 | timeless | is something that comes up |
| 22:42.53 | timeless | but calling that 'official' is um... |
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| 22:43.47 | timeless | http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/Maemo_Diablo_Reference_Manual_for_maemo_4.1.pdf |
| 22:43.55 | timeless | a pdf is not what i'd call useful documentation |
| 22:43.59 | wazd | Jaffa: Never knew that Titan looks like win 3.1... Everybody says (and it was concerned to be) pretty modern sleek theme |
| 22:44.01 | lcuk | its perfect |
| 22:44.24 | Jaffa | timeless: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/maemo_bora_3-x_tutorial/#user_content_Hardware-keys |
| 22:44.49 | timeless | bora? |
| 22:44.51 | timeless | .... |
| 22:44.59 | Jaffa | timeless: I know. Finding official Maemo documentation is a nightmare since someone had the "bright" idea of making them all PDFs with no HTML equivalent. |
| 22:45.02 | timeless | *user content* ? |
| 22:45.28 | Jaffa | wazd: Just my IMHO. I know some people like it, and that's absolutely fine. Just not my cup of tea, I'm afraid. |
| 22:46.04 | lcuk | themes are user customizable for a reason, you will never ever have a one size fits all |
| 22:46.08 | Jaffa | timeless: http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs/tutorial/html/ch02s03.html is a handy chart |
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| 22:46.12 | Jaffa | lcuk: absolutely |
| 22:46.14 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: btw wazd is a bit touchy about any of his stuff being compared with windows ;) |
| 22:46.28 | Stskeeps | (today) |
| 22:46.31 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: OK, how about it's very OS/2 Warpey? ;-) |
| 22:46.31 | Jaffa | heh |
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| 22:46.48 | Stskeeps | http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/repos-a-la-mer/ <- look at post 10, click in post 11 |
| 22:47.32 | lcuk | heh wazd and microsoft up a tree |
| 22:47.48 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: indeed, was here earlier :) |
| 22:47.52 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: true :) |
| 22:48.07 | lcuk | but being perfectly honest :: wow at his simple lines :) |
| 22:48.09 | wazd | stskeeps: thats not a problem with MS, I'm just kidding |
| 22:48.17 | Stskeeps | wazd: hehe, i'm kidding too :> |
| 22:48.35 | wazd | stskeeps: I've just got in a real bad situation with that copycat wallpaper |
| 22:48.37 | Macer | hi |
| 22:48.43 | unixSnob | anyone change their gizmo password before? does it take a long time for the account to start working again? |
| 22:49.50 | lcuk | wazd, of course you have but how else can you show underwater scenes |
| 22:50.05 | Stskeeps | lcuk: pitch black! |
| 22:50.50 | Stskeeps | (which was the uncreative first background of mer) |
| 22:52.47 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: okay, so, the problem is that the locale strings are not there at all |
| 22:52.55 | Stskeeps | previous versions had them |
| 22:53.04 | Stskeeps | in the fremantle pre-alpha SDK packages |
| 22:53.18 | Stskeeps | there are -some-, but definately not all |
| 22:54.29 | Jaffa | Ah, translation teams will be late in the plan. |
| 22:54.40 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: not even engineering english is there though |
| 22:54.45 | Stskeeps | and the strings used to be there |
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| 22:55.31 | Stskeeps | ponders hotpatching maemo-af-desktop just so it stops saying home_ap_home_view |
| 22:55.36 | lcuk | Stskeeps, its not a big deal as long as we document it as we notice them |
| 22:56.38 | Jaffa | Is there a basic heuristic for >50% of the time turning the key into something sensible enough? |
| 22:56.45 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: google for key |
| 22:56.57 | Stskeeps | (i'm not kidding) |
| 22:57.49 | Stskeeps | (try google sfil_li_modified_today) |
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| 22:58.51 | Stskeeps | with filetype:po |
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| 23:00.52 | Stskeeps | anyhow. i actually anticipated this - if anyone wants to join in and add some strings, there's a mer-translations group on launchpad. |
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| 23:01.16 | Stskeeps | it's pretty obvious to figure out what to add to the .po files when you google, and which branch to check out |
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| 23:01.55 | Jaffa | Any further missing ones could be filled in with something like: s/^.*?_\w\w_(.*)/$1/; then _ -> ' ' and capitalise every word. |
| 23:02.17 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: ah, so they exist in maemo svn not just any of the packages yet? |
| 23:02.24 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: they exist in older versions |
| 23:02.34 | Stskeeps | i have utterly no idea why they're no part of the new .po's |
| 23:02.37 | Stskeeps | +t |
| 23:05.30 | Stskeeps | let's take home_ap_home_view as example. it's not there for some silly reason. google home_ap_home_view filetype:po , it suggests it's maemo-af-desktop-l10n , so you 'bzr branch lp:~mer-translations/m-r/maemo-af-desktop-i10n' add in the 3 lines of translation from your google match, bzr commit with a commit message, bzr push |
| 23:06.02 | Stskeeps | or, we ask nokia where they went, which could take a while, instead of a couple of hours of work of the immediate things we can see are missing |
| 23:09.23 | Jaffa | Fairly drudgerous work, tho' |
| 23:09.33 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 23:09.49 | Stskeeps | think i'll file a bug and see what they say |
| 23:10.15 | lcuk | +1 :) seems like a sensible option |
| 23:10.52 | qwerty12_N800 | fixed in fremantle / wait for the production release :p |
| 23:11.05 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: that'd send me into a raging fit |
| 23:11.47 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe |
| 23:13.00 | qwerty12_N800 | it would be cool if the gettext "id's" looked pretty "normal" |
| 23:13.09 | Stskeeps | i think it's okay they stand out |
| 23:13.16 | Stskeeps | forces the developer to do something about it |
| 23:14.36 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: what font are you using in your screenshots at the moment? |
| 23:14.52 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: i'm actually not sure |
| 23:14.55 | Stskeeps | it's not nokia, for certain |
| 23:15.12 | timeless | hello |
| 23:15.13 | Jaffa | The Android ones look pretty sweet and have a compatible licence, FWIW |
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| 23:15.25 | Stskeeps | yeah, but are they compatible with X? :P |
| 23:15.30 | Jaffa | They're just TTFs |
| 23:15.31 | thiagoss | how do I install soappy into maemo? |
| 23:15.59 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: I use 'Droid Sans' in Notes in diablo as a nicer font (and maybe even Droid Sans Mono in Terminal, I forget) |
| 23:16.53 | johnx | Stskeeps, We're probably using fonts derived from the Vera Bitstream collection |
| 23:17.48 | Jaffa | Bingo: http://damieng.com/blog/2007/11/14/droid-font-family-courtesy-of-google-ascender |
| 23:18.21 | Stskeeps | damnit, i didn't hit bug 4000 |
| 23:18.24 | Jaffa | ...and the git versions (including ttf binaries) http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/frameworks/base.git;a=tree;f=data/fonts |
| 23:18.24 | Stskeeps | 4001 :/ |
| 23:18.51 | qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, don't worry. There's always 5000 ;) |
| 23:19.10 | Jaffa | qwerty12_N800: betcha #5000 will be resolved "fixed in harmattan" ;-) |
| 23:19.32 | qwerty12_N800 | lol |
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| 23:19.50 | Stskeeps | wtf |
| 23:20.02 | Stskeeps | my Mer actually discovers my two machines in file chooser |
| 23:20.03 | timeless | jaffa: is that a good thing? |
| 23:20.14 | timeless | that we only get 1000 bugs between today and harmattan's release? |
| 23:20.26 | qwerty12_N800 | Fremantle seems, to me, to be the "Oh shit!" release. I wonder what Harmattan will be like :) |
| 23:20.49 | timeless | did you paste the string i mentioned into the top field? |
| 23:20.54 | timeless | oops, wrong window |
| 23:20.57 | Jaffa | timeless: No, only 1000 bugs between today and when bugs are only dealt with in a release which is still ~6 months away ;-) |
| 23:21.03 | lcuk | whos gonna be the first to pitch up a tent in Fremantle WA ? |
| 23:21.22 | Stskeeps | lcuk: next summit, eh? |
| 23:21.29 | lcuk | would be nice :) |
| 23:21.31 | Jaffa | qwerty12_N800: "oh shit, everyone's UI's better than us" or "oh shit, we need to rejig some things" or "oh shit, we haven't released something for a while, better do something"? ;-) |
| 23:22.08 | lcuk | should we start naming apps after attractions in the area ;) |
| 23:22.26 | qwerty12_N800 | Jaffa, I choose 2) :) |
| 23:24.32 | Jaffa | would like to hope it's 1 *and* 2. And that the Fremantle UI'll get us further away from desktop computer metaphors which just don't work on a device this size. |
| 23:26.34 | johnx | huh? WA as in Washington State, USA? |
| 23:26.42 | Stskeeps | western australia? :P |
| 23:27.38 | johnx | ah, sad, yeah it's OZ |
| 23:28.10 | Stskeeps | johnx: saw the explanation for home_ap_home_view? |
| 23:28.38 | johnx | Stskeeps, we don't localizations (a .po file) that works with it right now? |
| 23:28.56 | Stskeeps | johnx: more like we have the .po files but they are missing some things :) |
| 23:29.09 | Stskeeps | some things are there but some are not - some that -used- to be there |
| 23:29.13 | johnx | ah, I assume Nokia is working on some new translations? |
| 23:29.24 | Stskeeps | i guess |
| 23:29.27 | Stskeeps | but english translations? :P |
| 23:29.35 | johnx | well, for now we can release for people who speak gettext |
| 23:29.40 | Stskeeps | true |
| 23:30.06 | Stskeeps | notes to himself NM isn't that stable at connections and ponders what it was he fixed in deblet |
| 23:30.07 | johnx | Gettext version: download link - US English: coming soon |
| 23:30.10 | wazd | http://s41.radikal.ru/i091/0901/ad/c84bde26b6a2.jpg |
| 23:30.51 | qwerty12_N800 | johnx, en_GB version: download link - English: coming soon :p |
| 23:31.01 | Stskeeps | wazd: any particular reason for the big white stripe? |
| 23:31.04 | johnx | wazd, i like it. I'm not sure about the bubbles though |
| 23:31.32 | Jaffa | wazd: Nice. I always get concerned about relatively large edges/changes in wallpaper backgrounds. Although, I suppose the coral, the white light and the bubbles could be more subdued in the wallpaper version |
| 23:31.40 | Stskeeps | wazd: looks great though, like all your work :) |
| 23:32.13 | Stskeeps | johnx: did you try out the new rescue menu yet? :> |
| 23:32.43 | johnx | not yet, still finishing off f-b-w and h-d-e after some interruptions :) |
| 23:32.47 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 23:33.17 | Stskeeps | i'll take a look at hildon-icons then |
| 23:33.19 | wazd | well, white stripe is kinda ray of light :) |
| 23:33.29 | wazd | maybe it's too bright |
| 23:33.40 | Jaffa | wazd: works on a startup screen, I think. |
| 23:34.28 | wazd | It still needs a lot of light'n'shadow work so it's just fyi :) |
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| 23:43.00 | wazd | But I still think that Mer should leave current wallpaper as default |
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| 23:43.28 | wazd | I bet that there are thousands more such pics and photos, so what |
| 23:43.37 | johnx | wazd, I agree |
| 23:43.55 | Jaffa | wazd: I think there should be a shiny mer start-up screen, a shiny mer wallpaper (the default if any nokia-provided wallpaper is currently selected, say) and a shiny mer theme |
| 23:44.06 | johnx | wazd, I know I've seen wallpapers similar to that one for quite a long time |
| 23:44.08 | wazd | Yep, thats pretty confusing for me, but whatever, it's great wallpaper anyway |
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| 23:44.29 | Jaffa | s/shiny/cool/ to avoid any confusion :) |
| 23:44.54 | wazd | Cause corals are really bad stuff for wallpaper |
| 23:45.03 | wazd | much detail noise |
| 23:45.17 | Jaffa | wazd: agreed 100%. But if it was faded out to be more subtle, it might work |
| 23:45.28 | wazd | And if I remove corals, then (It's magic!) it appears to be Win 7 |
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| 23:45.54 | tehforum | Howdy. |
| 23:46.44 | wazd | Life was so great without Win 7 :) |
| 23:46.54 | wazd | hello there |
| 23:46.58 | tehforum | Without? |
| 23:47.02 | tehforum | Hello, wazd. |
| 23:47.02 | wazd | yep |
| 23:47.06 | timeless | w7 is quite nice |
| 23:47.11 | tehforum | Why? |
| 23:47.13 | johnx | tehforum, they foojacked his wallpaper idea |
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| 23:47.56 | tehforum | I haven't used torrents to download it yet, because the download speeds were crappy from the ms servers |
| 23:48.14 | Jaffa | Anyway, I should bed since the kids(!) are asleep |
| 23:48.18 | tehforum | understandable really with 3gb file, thousands of people wanting it at any given time |
| 23:48.28 | tehforum | But, what is the wallpaper idea? |
| 23:48.43 | wazd | tehforum: http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/repos-a-la-mer/#comments |
| 23:49.06 | wazd | Jaffa: aw, I forgot to congratulate you :) |
| 23:49.15 | Jaffa | wazd: no probs; thanks :-) |
| 23:49.26 | wazd | Jaffa: hope they doesn't look like win7 xD |
| 23:49.43 | johnx | Jaffa, glad to hear everything went so smoothly that the kids are even willing to sleep :) |
| 23:50.03 | tehforum | Someone fill me in? :p |
| 23:50.10 | Jaffa | wazd: nah, just each other (http://tinyurl.com/kathrynflegg <-- proud father :-)) |
| 23:50.40 | tehforum | 'Gratz! |
| 23:50.49 | *** join/#maemo krutt (n=mk@p5B045806.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:50.55 | Jaffa | ta |
| 23:50.57 | Jaffa | Anyway, g'night |
| 23:51.04 | tehforum | Good night |
| 23:51.10 | tehforum | you're from England? |
| 23:51.11 | wazd | Jaffa: superqute :) |
| 23:51.25 | wazd | Jaffa: gnite |
| 23:51.27 | Jaffa | tehforum: aye |
| 23:51.33 | tehforum | Same :) |
| 23:52.01 | Jaffa | Quite a few of us are. Some of us are proper Brits from up north too :) |
| 23:52.16 | tehforum | From north |
| 23:52.22 | tehforum | How about the center? |
| 23:52.36 | Jaffa | 's in the centre atm. |
| 23:52.57 | qwerty12_N800 | North? Nah, it's all about the South :p |
| 23:53.11 | tehforum | North vs Center vs South |
| 23:53.17 | tehforum | Bring it on :p |
| 23:53.29 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:53.34 | tehforum | Boo. |
| 23:53.37 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe |
| 23:53.39 | Jaffa | is from the north (nr. Manchester), lives in the centre (Rugby) and works in the south (London) |
| 23:54.02 | tehforum | You'll have to beat yourself up in that case |
| 23:54.21 | Jaffa | applies the NP-complete Travelling Salesman problem to his life. I'll go offline for a non-polynomial amount of time to compute it. |
| 23:54.26 | *** join/#maemo zimmerle (n=zimmerle@189.70.233.43) |
| 23:55.28 | tehforum | There's a maemo uk channel I think |
| 23:55.31 | tehforum | maemo-uk? |
| 23:57.42 | tehforum | Why is it that when you switch from an mplayer window to something else it just "freezes" |
| 23:58.07 | tehforum | and you have to click on the three green one blue square thing to get rid of the "freezing" |
| 23:58.45 | johnx | tehforum, mplayers uses neat hacks to get the display updates as fast as possible |
